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| schestowitz | [23:43] <cubexyz> schestowitz, I'm using google compute to do some research | Apr 22 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | in what sense? | Apr 22 00:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian Dropping A Number Of Old Linux Drivers Is Angering Vintage Hardware Users http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136658 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6e239787-77cf-49d1-ab66-b5b1494fa4ba] | Apr 22 00:34 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: did you see today's #s? | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | another 9/11 | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | the #s go up still | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | #cotedivoire reports 3 #covid19 deaths | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 4 in #guadeloupe | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 2 in #morocco | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | #coronavirus | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | (note: US now accounts for about 40% of daily deaths worldwide) | Apr 22 01:00 |
| schestowitz | (PSS: US ~4% of the world's population) | Apr 22 01:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Enema of the State. | Apr 22 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're going out the world backwards like they did when they first got here. | Apr 22 01:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think governors should give the Teabaggers anything they want. A shrewd politician might even bait them into having more protests. | Apr 22 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of them will be dead in a month and they'll take out a lot of their friends too. | Apr 22 01:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Open up a reefer truck and stick them in there while we dig the holes. | Apr 22 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's probably not why Trump is encouraging them. | Apr 22 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since when has he ever thought a month ahead? | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | trump regime said less than 60k would die from/with #covid19 | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | But: | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | 1) we'll be at 60k in less than a week | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | 2) the daily death toll rises | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | 3) today they did a '9/11' | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | 4) people "protest" for "liberty" to worsen things | Apr 22 01:07 |
| schestowitz | 5) Trump supports (4) | Apr 22 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 6. Profit. | Apr 22 01:08 |
| schestowitz | whose? | Apr 22 01:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh my god, well, Trump gets to use the crisis to loot and have himself a time for a few months with the immigrant bashing. | Apr 22 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But he's killing his supporters all around, so...... | Apr 22 01:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Logically, I think he's realizing he's finished so he's just smashing the piggybank for himself and his criminal friends before we see him to the door. | Apr 22 01:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17876090 | Apr 22 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #trumpland has more #covid19 deaths than #spain and #italy (2nd and 3rd) combined #maga is shorthand for MAss G(r)Aves "Liberty" or death? No, #trump 'liberty' means death. | Apr 22 01:11 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's gonna be a bad several months while he's a lame duck and does whatever he feels like on the way out, but that's coming either way and it's still better than giving him 4 more years. | Apr 22 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's exactly what this immigrant ban feels like, too. | Apr 22 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lame duck kicking and screaming. | Apr 22 01:14 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136661 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd6c7f13-7d56-445b-bc82-29348a32dd8e] | Apr 22 01:15 | |
| schestowitz | Biden is a weak candidate | Apr 22 01:18 |
| schestowitz | DNC would rather have more Trump than Sanders | Apr 22 01:18 |
| schestowitz | so 'democrats' can pretend to be 'good cop' | Apr 22 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden is still managing to poll a lot better than Trump. | Apr 22 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But in this environment, it's obvious why | Apr 22 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | More Republicans than Democrats are dying of COVID and everyone else is pissed off and many would vote for anyone else. | Apr 22 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What's going to happen is Trump is going to face off with Biden with a bunch of people who are sick and tired of the ruined economy and watching their friends and family die all year, and Trump's base will be down a net of 100,000 voters if 300,000 people end up dying. (200,000 Republicans and 100,000 Democrats roughly). | Apr 22 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It started out in New York so Trump goes "Fuck em, they didn't vote for me!" and completely ignores what's going on, and now it's clear that it's a very big problem in Florida and swing states and red states too. Possibly even putting Georgia and NE-02 in play for Biden. | Apr 22 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This isn't going to be our "Biden is the best candidate ever!" win. It's going to be more like Carter pulling off a pretty convincing win in the aftermath of hyperinflation, oil shocks, Watergate, and Vietnam. | Apr 22 01:24 |
| MinceR | maybe biden is the closest analog to trump they can manage, in the case they manage to win :> | Apr 22 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's every chance the Republicans could come back with someone else and beat him next time. | Apr 22 01:24 |
| MinceR | but at least it demonstrates how the two-party system puts (and keeps) the USA in deep shit | Apr 22 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is a badly damaged candidate now who only has lunatics and idiots clinging to him. | Apr 22 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The independents will run to Biden as the Make America Normal Again guy, no Democrat will vote for the Green Party, and quite a few Republicans will vote for Biden or stay home. | Apr 22 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We'll have Trump down to his base and he'll get like 40% of the vote and maybe even lose Texas. | Apr 22 01:27 |
| MinceR | do not count your chickens before they hatch | Apr 22 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the number of "satisfied customers" of this administration who are being buried is now 2,800 a day or so.....so.....yeah. | Apr 22 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To COVID alone! | Apr 22 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | #1 cause of death in America and basically kills people over 50. | Apr 22 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump and the Republicans are leaving a flaming bag of dog shit on their own door and they think they're sticking it to us. | Apr 22 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told them if they went to the Easter Massacre they'd be dead by Ascension Sunday, but noooooooo. | Apr 22 01:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody listen to poor Zathrus. -Zathrus (B5) | Apr 22 01:31 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows and Screencasts: Sri Ramkrishna, Linux in the Ham Shack, Ubuntu Podcast, Linux Headlines and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136662 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9ff8b5cd-a0e1-4f42-aeda-649e555bfdf3] | Apr 22 01:35 | |
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| schestowitz | US death toll from/with #covid19 up to over 2,800 now. In one day. Yay, go "liberty", Trump... right? | Apr 22 01:41 |
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| MinceR | Shal'kek nem'ron! | Apr 22 01:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17876218 | Apr 22 01:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MAGA FC No, not Football Club. Make America Great Again for Coronavirus. 'Spanish' flu is said to have come from the US by the way, killing 50-100 million. Stop falling for the anti-China xenophobic Trump strategy. | Apr 22 01:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17876212 | Apr 22 01:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today (US time), so far more people died with #covid19 than in #uk + #germany + #france + italy + Spain combined | Apr 22 01:45 | |
| MinceR | i'd wait until the bioweapon hypothesis is proven or disproven :> | Apr 22 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > i'd wait until the bioweapon hypothesis is proven or disproven :> | Apr 22 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only way it could be more of an anti-Republican bioweapon is if it went after white people with an IQ under 100. | Apr 22 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 95% of dead are over 50, and 66% are men. So much for the Limbaugh listers. | Apr 22 01:50 |
| MinceR | i meant the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 is a bioweapon developed by red china and released either deliberately or accidentally | Apr 22 01:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were laughing at him hanging up on callers that merely disagreed and saying "Caller abortion!" and now they say we're insensitive. Whatever. | Apr 22 01:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the Orange Dementia will have those who disprove it "FIRED" | Apr 22 01:52 |
| MinceR | that's irrelevant | Apr 22 01:52 |
| MinceR | only truth matters | Apr 22 01:52 |
| schestowitz | you have to wonder how many countries already developed such a thing and, if so, how lethal | Apr 22 01:52 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 22 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said young people were dumb. My generation is going "FUCK NOPE NOPE NOPE!" while theirs is screaming "OPEN UP!" so they can go to Buffalo Wild Wings. | Apr 22 01:55 |
| MinceR | most humans are stupid, regardless of age | Apr 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw what was happening in Iran and you know, being the intelligent person I am, knew that there's no magic force field protecting Americans from getting killed by this. | Apr 22 01:55 |
| MinceR | and maybe they'll be like Doomguy said, "stupid and dead" | Apr 22 01:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: obviously, the magic force field is called "God" :> | Apr 22 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of Americans believe in Magic Force Fields and that's why they're going to church and Tea Party protests. Then they find out later that they didn't have a Magic Force Field. | Apr 22 01:56 |
| MinceR | (which worked out so well for the various people i've linked images of :> ) | Apr 22 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is just horrible. I don't know what Hungary is like, but a big part of the reason the virus has been so successful here is that, well two reasons. 1. Black people are not trying to avoid it. 2. White people are running out into the bullets thinking they have a Magic Force Field. | Apr 22 01:59 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: This made me look-up this, subtitled: https://youtu.be/dCqhJzurgNI?t=1m2s | Apr 22 02:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Zadornov Stupid Americans 1 - YouTube | Apr 22 02:00 | |
| MinceR | i don't know what the real numbers are like here because the nazis are careful not to test | Apr 22 02:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, 46% of Americans can't name who the vice president is. I'm betting most of them voted for the current one. | Apr 22 02:00 |
| MinceR | but every time i go shopping, there are more zombies hanging out on the streets than before the plague | Apr 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the way I understand it, it's just that for black communities it's harder to self-isolate due to poverty | Apr 22 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | There's a certain charm to a person sharing his wisdom about the US, when he believes that the word for rainbow comes from the Egyptian god Ra %) | Apr 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz | same problem in places like India BTW | Apr 22 02:01 |
| MinceR | maybe the government should have told them to go hang out on the streets | Apr 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz | not enough space when you live in "the ghetto" | Apr 22 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mike Pence is your typical politician from Indiana. Leading the COVID-19 task force after his AIDS disaster. Could lose a battle of wits with one of the laboratory mice. | Apr 22 02:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana is a trash can, almost entirely, top to bottom, with a few nice cities that look like they might be in Illinois and "How the hell did they survive the Republicans?". | Apr 22 02:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans have done SO MUCH for Indiana. Most of the state is going the way of Gary and Marion now, but at least their tax cut saved the average worker $7 a year. | Apr 22 02:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd almost have to be trying to run a state worse, which is why it's rated by Forbes as the 10th worst state in America to live in, most of that has happened in the last 10 years, and by some measures they're only 2-3 spots from the bottom in the country. Including mental health, healthcare system, and obesity. | Apr 22 02:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois has some things going wrong, but we're not anywhere near close to the bottom of the bucket for anything except our public sector, which has several states behind it, with Republicans in charge. | Apr 22 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This damned virus could actually be what forces through some structural reforms to our government. | Apr 22 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're already talking about repealing the pensions clause and a pay freeze and government consolidation. | Apr 22 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Anything to topple the winner-take-all voting system? | Apr 22 02:08 |
| MinceR | extinction. | Apr 22 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not that I'm particularly thrilled with everything that's going on over here, it's just that I haven't had the opportunity to reform a lot of things yet. | Apr 22 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm going to reform my sister-in-laws taxes. | Apr 22 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She should pray we don't reform them any further | Apr 22 02:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 22 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois taxes are very regressive and that's going to change. | Apr 22 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | regressive taxes… it's like it hates money | Apr 22 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: Anything to topple the winner-take-all voting system? | Apr 22 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sadly no, but ballet access laws here are much looser than in Indiana. You can sign something that says you're not trying to overthrow the state, but you don't have to. After that you only need 500 petition signatures to run for the state house. | Apr 22 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *ballot | Apr 22 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Are you trying to overthrow the state?" I can neither confirm nor deny that due to the Fifth Amendment. "Okay, get in there!" | Apr 22 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ----- | Apr 22 02:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 22 02:13 |
| *XRevan86 likes this illustration of how winner-take-all fails: https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo | Apr 22 02:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wasn't the Deep State that got rid of Trump. | Apr 22 02:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Problems with First Past the Post Voting Explained - YouTube | Apr 22 02:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was just quadrillions of tiny RNA packets, special delivery. | Apr 22 02:14 |
| MinceR | twitler is still there | Apr 22 02:14 |
| MinceR | past tense is not justified | Apr 22 02:14 |
| XRevan86 | And how it ensures security of two parties. | Apr 22 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not delivery, it's Coronavirus! | Apr 22 02:14 |
| MinceR | not just any coronavirus | Apr 22 02:15 |
| MinceR | SARS-CoV-2 | Apr 22 02:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I knew we were in trouble for a lot of reasons. Mainly Mike Pence and the guy who couldn't figure out how to copy a link to a website running the federal task force. | Apr 22 02:15 |
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| *XRevan86 can't forget about Zoom, these links keep reminding me of it. | Apr 22 02:41 | |
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| XRevan86 | … and it called Jitsi Meet just Jitsi. | Apr 22 02:42 |
| XRevan86 | and completely confused the two | Apr 22 02:42 |
| schestowitz | it is confusing | Apr 22 02:45 |
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| cubexyz | schestowitz, using a 16-core processor with 64 gigs of ram to crunch some math problems | Apr 22 04:03 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Dev kit unlocks secrets of 1TOPS Kendryte RISC-V chip http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136645#comment-24668 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9a82554d-4fcf-4afe-8898-ea7b722031a1] | Apr 22 04:05 | |
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| *Guest41554 is now known as LarchOye2 | Apr 22 04:22 | |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: hpc on tap is nothing new | Apr 22 04:25 |
| schestowitz | or innovative | Apr 22 04:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe popularised now | Apr 22 04:25 |
| schestowitz | but not news | Apr 22 04:25 |
| schestowitz | it's also mere rental of "resources" | Apr 22 04:25 |
| cubexyz | yeah google offered me $300 to try it | Apr 22 04:28 |
| cubexyz | $300 worth of computer time, not sure how much that will be | Apr 22 04:28 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: wait, they PAY you to use it? | Apr 22 04:31 |
| schestowitz | the first statement and the second one are not the same | Apr 22 04:31 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, no, I get $300 worth of computer time | Apr 22 04:31 |
| schestowitz | and they try to get you locked in or 'addicted' | Apr 22 04:31 |
| cubexyz | something like that :) | Apr 22 04:31 |
| schestowitz | so it's like "Free samples" | Apr 22 04:31 |
| schestowitz | hardly offering you money to use it | Apr 22 04:31 |
| cubexyz | that's right | Apr 22 04:31 |
| schestowitz | I'd say, no thanks... | Apr 22 04:31 |
| schestowitz | and then you celebrate it in IRC | Apr 22 04:32 |
| schestowitz | so they get their 'money's' (electricity's) worth | Apr 22 04:32 |
| cubexyz | well, I wasn't sure how well the problem would scale | Apr 22 04:33 |
| cubexyz | this gives me a chance to experiment a bit | Apr 22 04:34 |
| cubexyz | no one seems to be able to tell me which system is the best so I have to try different ones | Apr 22 04:40 |
| cubexyz | intel phi, server, google compute... etc | Apr 22 04:40 |
| cubexyz | is memory or cpu more important... | Apr 22 04:40 |
| schestowitz | people would be better off pooling resources without GAfAM | Apr 22 04:42 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Apr 22 04:42 |
| schestowitz | we're going backwards | Apr 22 04:42 |
| schestowitz | back to mainframe and "computer time" | Apr 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | this is regressive to computer freedom and also corrosive (IMHO) to "consumer rights" | Apr 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | everything is being 'rented' | Apr 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | "cloud" | Apr 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | "chromebooks" | Apr 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | "forced updates" | Apr 22 04:43 |
| cubexyz | you are referring to google, apple, facebook, microsoft I assume? | Apr 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | so-called phones that stop getting updates after 3 years and they tell you to buy a new one | Apr 22 04:43 |
| cubexyz | yeah you aren't wrong | Apr 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | the list goes on... we're playing to the fiddle of the planned obsolesce giants | Apr 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | amazon also, cubexyz | Apr 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | aws | Apr 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | things used to be better | Apr 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | you could use your PC sort of OK for maybe 10 years | Apr 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | and the parts were standard | Apr 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | so you could swap in a drive, PSU etc.. | Apr 22 04:45 |
| schestowitz | they didn't tell you, your browser is too old, get a new computer | Apr 22 04:45 |
| cubexyz | yeah I can buy a Dell T3600 for about $500 CAN | Apr 22 04:45 |
| schestowitz | you could still install a new version of the software | Apr 22 04:45 |
| cubexyz | well, yes I was complaining about old computers just recently | Apr 22 04:46 |
| cubexyz | that the web browser made the old computer almost unusable | Apr 22 04:47 |
| schestowitz | false modernity | Apr 22 04:48 |
| kingoffrance | ^^^^ yeah, they say you pay to get in the paper then pay more to get out...sounds like data in the cloud :) seriously, i get it is supposed to be cheaper "pay only for what you use" ... but isnt home/server stuff supposed to be "scaling" as well? i mean, if you need lots of computing power and dont know when you get suddenly need more, cloud stuff makes sense; say, big web sites. but the home/consumer experience se | Apr 22 04:48 |
| kingoffrance | ems to have gotten worse in many ways | Apr 22 04:48 |
| schestowitz | where you get little practical value | Apr 22 04:48 |
| schestowitz | but you still feel elated, as they tell you that you're "Smart" hit "Cloudy" person, keeping up with "the times" | Apr 22 04:48 |
| schestowitz | s/hit/hip/ | Apr 22 04:48 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: use your pcs to run overnight jobs | Apr 22 04:49 |
| schestowitz | I was surprised how fast ssd is for data transfer here | Apr 22 04:49 |
| cubexyz | guarantee I use the oldest computers of anyone here :) | Apr 22 04:49 |
| schestowitz | what used to take 4 hours, backing up my key files, now takes less than 30 mins | Apr 22 04:49 |
| schestowitz | no need for "cloud storage" | Apr 22 04:50 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno cubexyz thems fighting words | Apr 22 04:50 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: retro belfast | Apr 22 04:50 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, it's just some of the problems would need _months_ running 24/7 | Apr 22 04:50 |
| kingoffrance | i got some 133 mhz 64M RAM SBCs | Apr 22 04:50 |
| cubexyz | amiga 500? :) | Apr 22 04:50 |
| cubexyz | ok, that's retro computing, not work | Apr 22 04:51 |
| kingoffrance | hmm...you win this round | Apr 22 04:51 |
| schestowitz | I still have a Palm PDA is that counts | Apr 22 04:52 |
| schestowitz | 2003 I think, almost mint condition, next to me.. | Apr 22 04:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't take it out much, you cannot replace these anymore | Apr 22 04:52 |
| cubexyz | ah, you see, we are not really that different :) | Apr 22 04:53 |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: this has just been released | Apr 22 04:53 |
| schestowitz | https://lunduke.com/posts/2020-04-20-a/ | Apr 22 04:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to get computers made 40 years apart talking to each other // Lunduke Journal | Apr 22 04:53 | |
| schestowitz | might be of interest to you | Apr 22 04:53 |
| schestowitz | your 'ballpark' | Apr 22 04:54 |
| schestowitz | I still struggle to get palm PDAs to sync with gnu/linux since around 2016 | Apr 22 04:54 |
| schestowitz | they don't pick up any of the USB ports | Apr 22 04:54 |
| schestowitz | but data can be passed over sd cards | Apr 22 04:54 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, I was warned that some of the used servers companies are selling are quite noisy | Apr 22 04:55 |
| cubexyz | I wasn't sure I wanted that in the house | Apr 22 04:55 |
| cubexyz | usually if I had something very old like an apple II or a c64 I would use rs232 | Apr 22 04:56 |
| cubexyz | not that hard really | Apr 22 04:56 |
| insmodppa | The stupid thing is that Palm/PDAs (I own one from 2003, still used daily) are still more productive today than the utterly infuriating "aesthetics over usability" smartphones that have you battle with the UI and "apps" than do any serious work. | Apr 22 04:57 |
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| cubexyz | I liked sharp zaurus... | Apr 22 04:58 |
| cubexyz | it was a linux | Apr 22 04:58 |
| cubexyz | still the keyboard was a bit of a pain | Apr 22 04:58 |
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| psydread | > that the web browser made the old computer almost unusable | Apr 22 05:35 |
| psydread | I would think the web browser is the problem rather than the old computer. I still consider it a joke to have to retire a computer just because some bloated browser brings it to its knees | Apr 22 05:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi with the new blocker is the most responsive browser on my computer. | Apr 22 05:41 |
| schestowitz | insmodppa: yup | Apr 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump getting in the way of Big Business with their H1-Bs is going to be the end of him before anything else. | Apr 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll dump unlimited money into Biden Super PACs now. | Apr 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He roused his base (what's left of it after COVID anyway) for a while, but at the cost of pissing off the Real Government. | Apr 22 05:44 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: makes sense | Apr 22 09:09 |
| schestowitz | they'll give their other foot a turn | Apr 22 09:09 |
| schestowitz | the oligarchs | Apr 22 09:09 |
| schestowitz | and people will be thankful for super-neoliberal biden... just cause it's not their other foot, Don the COn | Apr 22 09:10 |
| schestowitz | I am almost ready to start cheering for Green Party US again | Apr 22 09:10 |
| schestowitz | the whole system is broken | Apr 22 09:10 |
| schestowitz | rigged against people, workers, the lft | Apr 22 09:10 |
| schestowitz | normalcy means more of the same, which isn't good enough for 90% of the Americans | Apr 22 09:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for the update on the Atlas training however this was | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > regarding the plural sight / docker training if you see it followed on | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > from the initial email about it. Can you please give me an update on | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > those please? | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | > Kind Regards, | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Thanks foe clarifying. I did some practical lessons, moving some DBs to docker lately. Will watch the videos more later this week... | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | I meant to paste this in another channel, but never mind | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | work-related | Apr 22 09:12 |
| schestowitz | (they want us to study docker more) | Apr 22 09:13 |
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| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/29/19b4e1af042d7c31.mp4 | Apr 22 11:32 |
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| zoobab | elections are rigged | Apr 22 12:06 |
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| zoobab | that's what an hitorian of 'democracy' explained | Apr 22 12:06 |
| MinceR | url? | Apr 22 12:07 |
| zoobab | let me find his name | Apr 22 12:08 |
| schestowitz | democracy can work | Apr 22 12:11 |
| schestowitz | if someone implements it properly | Apr 22 12:11 |
| schestowitz | nobody does | Apr 22 12:11 |
| schestowitz | maybe iceland is close to it, not sure, don't know it well enough | Apr 22 12:11 |
| schestowitz | but in iceland hiding secrets might be harder, with a small community and everyone knowing many people around themselves | Apr 22 12:11 |
| MinceR | yeah, it can work | Apr 22 12:12 |
| MinceR | just not with humans | Apr 22 12:12 |
| MinceR | iceland seems to be allowing the EU to corrupt it | Apr 22 12:13 |
| MinceR | they even had data retention, maybe still have it | Apr 22 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | link/s? | Apr 22 12:13 |
| schestowitz | they used to be good with speech and privacy | Apr 22 12:14 |
| zoobab | Iceland was as corrupt as the other nations | Apr 22 12:14 |
| zoobab | let me try to find back the name of the speaker who explained the history of democracy | Apr 22 12:15 |
| MinceR | in 2011: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0225:FIN:en:PDF | Apr 22 12:16 |
| MinceR | pdf page 20, labeled as 19 | Apr 22 12:16 |
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| zoobab | FFII worked on Dataret back in the days | Apr 22 12:18 |
| zoobab | I need to restore the action.ffii.org wiki where all the legal analysis was made | Apr 22 12:19 |
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| MinceR | https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1648.html | Apr 22 12:21 |
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| MinceR | 22 160612 < Mafalda> Quote 386 of 585: <SoyLunafan> when life gives you lemons, you gotta make Lemonidas | Apr 22 15:06 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, are you seeing riots against the rules in St. Petersberg? | Apr 22 15:13 |
| scientes | there is massive online censorship right now | Apr 22 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, nor did I hear of any in the news. | Apr 22 15:15 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/uGPj82Q | Apr 22 15:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Imgur: The magic of the Internet | Apr 22 15:16 | |
| scientes | https://hillreporter.com/mark-zuckerberg-cracks-down-on-misinformation-spread-by-those-protesting-stay-at-home-orders-65014 | Apr 22 15:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mark Zuckerberg Cracks Down On 'Misinformation' Spread By Those Protesting 'Stay At Home' Orders | HillReporter.com | Apr 22 15:17 | |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EESYqPBlrio | Apr 22 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Russia: Demonstrators hurl stones at police as hundreds protest coronavirus measures in Vladikavkaz - YouTube | Apr 22 15:18 | |
| scientes | Google is all lies too | Apr 22 15:18 |
| XRevan86 | That's North Osetia | Apr 22 15:18 |
| scientes | which is very disconcerting | Apr 22 15:19 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/news/2020/04/20/several-hundred-people-violate-self-isolation-to-attend-protest-in-russia-s-vladikavkaz | Apr 22 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Apr 22 15:20 | |
| scientes | and they keep calling protests "unregistered" or "unauthorized" | Apr 22 15:20 |
| scientes | maybe, just maybe, it is the media that is *illegitimate*, just maybe | Apr 22 15:21 |
| MinceR | as opposed to protests organized by the government against the government? :> | Apr 22 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes, protests should be "sanctioned" in Russia now, which is pretty unconstitutional. | Apr 22 15:23 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the russian news is saying that about protests in the entire world | Apr 22 15:25 |
| scientes | "in an unauthorised demonstration " | Apr 22 15:25 |
| scientes | I can't even buy paint to deface some really annoying propoganda | Apr 22 15:26 |
| MinceR | hungary has this idiotic practice too, and has had it for quite a while | Apr 22 15:27 |
| MinceR | even before 2010 | Apr 22 15:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Was the Constitution amended for this? | Apr 22 15:28 |
| MinceR | no | Apr 22 15:29 |
| MinceR | maybe it was already there in 1989/90 | Apr 22 15:29 |
| XRevan86 | https://constituteproject.org/constitution/Hungary_2011.pdf | Apr 22 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | > Article VIII: Every person shall have the right to peaceful assembly. | Apr 22 15:30 |
| XRevan86 | Same thing then. | Apr 22 15:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You have the constitutional right to assemble for a peaceful protest. | Apr 22 15:32 |
| MinceR | and if you don't make a deal with the police, they'll come and beat you up | Apr 22 15:33 |
| MinceR | and even if you do, they'll probably come and beat you up anyway | Apr 22 15:33 |
| XRevan86 | The Russian government gets around this by saying that sanctioning is there to accomodate and make all the necessary preparations. De-facto they abuse is right and left of course. | Apr 22 15:33 |
| XRevan86 | * abuse it | Apr 22 15:33 |
| MinceR | the hungarian case is similar | Apr 22 15:33 |
| XRevan86 | - Can I haz rally? | Apr 22 15:34 |
| XRevan86 | - No. | Apr 22 15:34 |
| XRevan86 | ^ that's the actuality of it. | Apr 22 15:34 |
| XRevan86 | Sometimes the police goes and beats up people on sanctioned rallies too. | Apr 22 15:35 |
| MinceR | such is the nature of the state | Apr 22 15:35 |
| MinceR | let people have power over other people, have those people believe it's just | Apr 22 15:36 |
| MinceR | and you can be sure that power will be abused all the time | Apr 22 15:36 |
| XRevan86 | Another fun thing is that announcements of unsanctioned rallies are considered fake news. | Apr 22 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | Because if it's unsanctioned it doesn't exist, ergo it's fake news. | Apr 22 15:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 22 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | There was this one time when a sanctioned rally got unsanctioned, and people who mentioned it even before that got fined. | Apr 22 15:39 |
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| XRevan86 | That's some 1984 stuff %). It never existed after one point. | Apr 22 15:40 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 22 15:44 |
| MinceR | that's like retroactive lawmaking | Apr 22 15:44 |
| MinceR | which hungary has | Apr 22 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | That's even better, because it tackles truth %). | Apr 22 15:45 |
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| XRevan86 | or some twisted law definition of it | Apr 22 15:47 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, they arrested this opera singer in St. Petersberg https://www.rferl.org/a/opera-singer-cheldiyev-arrested-for-initiating-anti-government-rallies-in-russia-s-north-ossetia/30567646.html | Apr 22 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org | Opera Singer Arrested For Initiating Anti-Government Rallies In Russia’s North Ossetia | Apr 22 16:24 | |
| scientes | just for questioning the official story | Apr 22 16:24 |
| MinceR | it's a dangerous thing to do :> | Apr 22 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Fake news over COVID-19 is an especially severe charge right now. | Apr 22 16:25 |
| scientes | "fake news" | Apr 22 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, I gave an example of how they determine what is true or not above. | Apr 22 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | They also operate under presumption that authorities never lie. | Apr 22 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | So if your story contradicts some official statement, well, shit. | Apr 22 16:27 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what if the official statements are themselves contradictory? | Apr 22 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | Doctors' Alliance got caught on that when they posted a video from the Ufa's hospital. | Apr 22 16:27 |
| scientes | like 1984 pointed out is often the case | Apr 22 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | Administration of the hospital said it's not true, and so fake news it is. | Apr 22 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The law has limited applicability. | Apr 22 16:28 |
| MinceR | "That's crazy! The government doesn't lie to people!" | Apr 22 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | Which means that lies spread on TV are not to be exposed. | Apr 22 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | And there's quite a baggage collected already. | Apr 22 16:29 |
| scientes | "Anti-quarantine protesters inspired by Covid-19-denying former opera singer hurl stones, clash with police in Vladikavkaz " | Apr 22 16:30 |
| scientes | nice way to sling names | Apr 22 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, on topic of COVID-19. | Apr 22 16:30 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/659473.jpg | Apr 22 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Technically, that's no longer a "self", but just meat. | Apr 22 16:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 22 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Anyway, as far as I understood, the rally in Ossetia is mostly about restrictions + no help to the population to actually cope with them. | Apr 22 16:41 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, all over the world are people in cities that don't have food and are not allowed to go home to their villages | Apr 22 16:49 |
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| scientes | it is a mess | Apr 22 16:49 |
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| chasecrum | ohmy sweet Lord.... | Apr 22 16:50 |
| chasecrum | I kept looking for the leftover april fools line - nope - guess there are people who really want to do that | Apr 22 16:51 |
| MinceR | the raspbian thing? | Apr 22 16:52 |
| MinceR | i think it fits systemd well | Apr 22 16:52 |
| chasecrum | yeah making it look like 95 | Apr 22 16:52 |
| MinceR | if it's going to function like windows, it might as well look like windows | Apr 22 16:52 |
| chasecrum | ha | Apr 22 16:52 |
| XRevan86 | It's Xfce | Apr 22 16:52 |
| kingoffrance | distros used to use icewm for that long ago, although i think it was very superficial, dont recall if it had its own file mgr | Apr 22 16:57 |
| kingoffrance | it had "themes" i suppose | Apr 22 16:57 |
| XRevan86 | icewm is quite literally a WM. | Apr 22 16:57 |
| MinceR | it's my go-to wm if i don't have time to configure things | Apr 22 16:57 |
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| kingoffrance | well, i just mean there was a time it wouldnt have been seen as an april fools | Apr 22 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | > and are not allowed to go home to their villages | Apr 22 17:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, wow, the Iliad is really riveting. I swear I read it before (and the same translation) but it is as if reading it for the first time. | Apr 22 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That makes sense at least. | Apr 22 17:06 |
| scientes | Even if you just read all the animal metaphors, which in this translation are in italics | Apr 22 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | mangeurdenuage has been mentioning people going to villages and spreading the virus there. | Apr 22 17:07 |
| scientes | A mountain lion, supremely confident, | Apr 22 17:07 |
| scientes | Has seized the finest heifer in the grazing herd. | Apr 22 17:07 |
| scientes | First he crunches her neck in his strong jaws, | Apr 22 17:08 |
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| scientes | Then greedily laps her blood and soft innards. | Apr 22 17:08 |
| scientes | The herdsmen and their hounds shout at him | Apr 22 17:08 |
| scientes | From a safe distance, but, pale with fear, | Apr 22 17:08 |
| scientes | They lack the will to take him on. | Apr 22 17:08 |
| MinceR | "Linux gaming"'s chance is apparently emulating Backdoors | Apr 22 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Not when you look at the numbers closer. | Apr 22 17:09 |
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| scientes | MinceR, Steam has taken over gaming so much that it just isn't worth even touching it anymore | Apr 22 17:09 |
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| scientes | it was better pre-internet, where you actually owned a copy of the game | Apr 22 17:09 |
| scientes | instead of a phone-home nag-ware | Apr 22 17:09 |
| MinceR | at least we have better free games | Apr 22 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Most of the games marked as fully working by steam on the protondb are in fact Linux native games using the steam runtime. | Apr 22 17:09 |
| MinceR | and nonfree games based on free engines | Apr 22 17:09 |
| scientes | MinceR, but even the "free" ones are not free, and phone home | Apr 22 17:09 |
| scientes | oh, I was talking about shareware | Apr 22 17:10 |
| MinceR | xonotic doesn't phone home if you tell it not to | Apr 22 17:10 |
| scientes | yeah, Nexuiz was fun | Apr 22 17:10 |
| MinceR | doom and quake source ports don't phone home | Apr 22 17:10 |
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| oiaohm | When I am playing xonotic single player I run it in a namespace without networking. | Apr 22 17:10 |
| MinceR | games based on the cube engine and its successors don't phone home, afaik | Apr 22 17:10 |
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| scientes | WTH | Apr 22 17:24 |
| scientes | there is no reason to drop that old hardware | Apr 22 17:24 |
| scientes | until it is reported to be actually broken | Apr 22 17:24 |
| scientes | ugggh, that is a good reason for Linux's monolithic approach | Apr 22 17:25 |
| scientes | as at least they get stuff like this right | Apr 22 17:25 |
| scientes | they only remove something when it is broken | Apr 22 17:25 |
| MinceR | not so sure about that | Apr 22 17:27 |
| MinceR | they removed ext3fs when it wasn't broken, for example | Apr 22 17:27 |
| MinceR | and there was some complaint about removing support for old computers recently | Apr 22 17:27 |
| scientes | MinceR, ext4 can mount ext2 and ext4 | Apr 22 17:27 |
| scientes | *and ext3 | Apr 22 17:27 |
| MinceR | it can | Apr 22 17:27 |
| MinceR | but that doesn't make ext3 broken | Apr 22 17:27 |
| scientes | it was a fork | Apr 22 17:27 |
| scientes | it was old kept around for "I'm scared" reasons | Apr 22 17:28 |
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| scientes | MinceR, did they keep ext2 however? | Apr 22 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Also keeping ext3 around once ext4 driver was working right was resulting in double work with the journalling and so on. | Apr 22 17:28 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure | Apr 22 17:29 |
| scientes | ext4 has a non-journal mode | Apr 22 17:29 |
| MinceR | well, there was reason for being scared, considering how hard they fucked ext4 up :> | Apr 22 17:29 |
| oiaohm | ext2 driver is still there as it memory lighter than the ext4 and ext3 drivers. | Apr 22 17:29 |
| scientes | yeah ext2 is quite simple and useful for very limited systems | Apr 22 17:29 |
| oiaohm | Yes the ext3 driver end up more memory heavy than the ext4 driver processing ext3. | Apr 22 17:29 |
| scientes | (doesn't mean that FreeBSD's ext2 driver wasn't totally shit) | Apr 22 17:30 |
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| kingoffrance | re: old xorg drivers, the only permanent solution i see is costly: 1) someone with lots of money maintains lab 2) these have ways to run tests e.g. of new releases e.g. capture video output, ensure proper rendering of some test programs/etc. 3) all this is probably wired to remotely power on/off, e.g. pxe boot a new distro "continuous integration"-ish, etc. i think lunduke once said ms used to have many many syste | Apr 22 18:23 |
| kingoffrance | ms to test new oses on, dunno how "automated" that was.........its just not going to happen for old hw, and probably doesnt necessarily happen for new hw too. how else can you automate testing of a video card? thats the only way i can see :/ | Apr 22 18:23 |
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| kingoffrance | someone like a university or giant corp. with a big lab of lots of hardware is the only way that could work that i see | Apr 22 18:25 |
| kingoffrance | and then multiply by x distros, someone to write all the tests, etc. .........not impossible, but time-consuming, boring, monotonous work | Apr 22 18:25 |
| kingoffrance | and you need a big lab of various machines, old and new i.e. physical space, even if people donated hardware, that has costs too | Apr 22 18:26 |
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| kingoffrance | that still doesnt actually fix "new code broke old driver" of course...that would just inform people a test failed | Apr 22 18:28 |
| kingoffrance | so someone would have to take responsibility on top of all that and actually fix issues as they arise | Apr 22 18:29 |
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| kingoffrance | i guess, such a thing could be "distributed" ... like someone making a "test distro" that you just boot on a machine, runs some tests, sends results somewhere | Apr 22 18:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | There's a point where hardware is so old nobody who maintains the driver knows if it even works anymore, and the driver has been sitting around broken for years. | Apr 22 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Time to let go. | Apr 22 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: software moves too fast | Apr 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz | no care for old machines | Apr 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz | that needs to change | Apr 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz | and old machines put to use for much longer | Apr 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | 20 years maybe | Apr 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | also improve manufacturing to meet longevity standards | Apr 22 19:39 |
| kingoffrance | i dont disagree DaemonFC[m] -- thats why i argue if its not in some continuous integration somewhere, noone is going to know its broken until after a new release breaks it | Apr 22 19:40 |
| kingoffrance | as far fetched as that sounds | Apr 22 19:41 |
| kingoffrance | anything else seems just guessing/hoping someone discovers it is broken | Apr 22 19:41 |
| psydroid | so that means people should count on their hardware being left behind 10 years after it was sold | Apr 22 19:44 |
| psydroid | I think that's fair, but that also means that there could or should be other operating systems that can pick up the tab after that | Apr 22 19:45 |
| psydroid | which I am totally fine with as well, as I am all for clarity | Apr 22 19:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If you don't have hardware to test on, the only "brokenness" you will notice are build failures, and you might actually break the driver by doing something that makes it build again. So Fedora just says hell with it on 1998 hardware. | Apr 22 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Debian had a Motorola 68k port for a very long time, up through version 9, even though Apple hasn't produced 68k Macs since like 1996. | Apr 22 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We're talking about a lot of effort and I don't even know how you would use a 1996 computer. Much less one from Apple, which are always weird and incompatible to begin with. | Apr 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably the funniest thing I've seen in this recession so far is Apple admitting they can put almost all the stuff from their $1,700 iphone into a $350 phone and still make money. | Apr 22 19:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | People just need to keep their damned heads down and try to let this damned virus kill all of the teabaggers and Pastor Tony Spell's church people and we can emerge from the rubble and throw Trump out after that. Honestly. | Apr 22 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of these megachurch pastors like Spell are more worried about losing their gravy train if their followers miss the weekly brainwashing session. | Apr 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So some of them will die, but that's a sacrifice he's willing to make. | Apr 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he was smarter he'd close church for a few months and the people giving him money might live and come back. | Apr 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These folks are as greedy as they are stupid. | Apr 22 20:01 |
| Narrator | hmm, jitsi meet - 25 persons :) | Apr 22 20:20 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2017/10/11/ae7c771780393671.jpg | Apr 22 21:02 |
| zoobab | https://stillnessinthestorm.com/2020/04/breaking-massive-hack-of-coronavirus-related-organizations-who-nih-wuhan-lab-and-gates-foundation/ | Apr 22 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stillnessinthestorm.com | BREAKING: MASSIVE HACK of Coronavirus Related Organizations: WHO, NIH, Wuhan Lab, And Gates Foundation - Stillness in the Storm | Apr 22 21:09 | |
| zoobab | Gates Foundation hacked | Apr 22 21:09 |
| zoobab | I guess someone just searched for their passwords on well known databases | Apr 22 21:14 |
| zoobab | of hacked websites | Apr 22 21:14 |
| zoobab | "Our next step: Leak bank transfers that clearly reveal Bill #Gates has had a hand in controlling the entire narrative of the #COVID19 pandemic and corrupt officials of #WHO, #CDC and World Bank have been in his pocket the whole time while also taking bribes from #China.#ID2020 pic.twitter.com/nv16ybn1TW" | Apr 22 21:28 |
| zoobab | — USA HACKERS (@usahackers) April 21, 2020 | Apr 22 21:28 |
| zoobab | https://www.republicworld.com/technology-news/other-tech-news/email-addresses-and-passwords-allegedly-from-who-gates-foundation-and-wuh.html | Apr 22 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.republicworld.com | WHO, Wuhan Virology Institute & Gates Foundation allegedly hacked amid Covid; data leaked - Republic World | Apr 22 21:28 | |
| zoobab | https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1LjxJBNL8skJ:https://twitter.com/usahackers/status/1252653263280881664+&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=be | Apr 22 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com | USA HACKERS on Twitter: "While the κατέχον militia did hack #Gates Foundation servers and Marina Abramovic, we were the ones who leaked all the data. From what we uncovered in the data of that hack, we decided to hack #WHO, #CDC, #NIH & World Bank and leak their data too, because it's all connected.… https://t.co/FmQ29L1v2b" | Apr 22 21:31 | |
| zoobab | https://usahackers.com/2020/04/21/bill-gates-id2020-exposed/ | Apr 22 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-usahackers.com | Bill Gates ID2020 Exposed | Apr 22 21:32 | |
| zoobab | UPDATE: USAHACKERS account on Twitter and Facebook deleted without Notice! We are trying to recover our accounts. | Apr 22 21:32 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://hugelol.com/lol/659039 | Apr 22 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | French revolution | Apr 22 21:32 | |
| zoobab | #2: Video from camera phone footage obtained using credentials from the Gates Foundation hack. In the video, there are two men: Torben Dhalvad, an Israeli-born Danish child trafficker known as the Epstein of Europe, and Finn Rosenkranz Pedersen, director of Microsoft partner BEZH International, a satanist who also owns Blue Security which provides personal security for Climate Change activist Greta Thun | Apr 22 21:36 |
| zoobab | berg. | Apr 22 21:36 |
| cubexyz | bc -l | Apr 22 21:56 |
| *kingoffrance (interrupt) use quit to exit. | Apr 22 22:03 | |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 22 22:03 |
| kingoffrance | people always say ^C doesnt work on vim, but bc too | Apr 22 22:04 |
| smnthermes | > USA Hackers | Apr 22 22:31 |
| smnthermes | Lol | Apr 22 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | Did that really happen? Sounds like a joke. | Apr 22 22:31 |
| MinceR | USA! USA! USA! USA! | Apr 22 22:31 |
| kingoffrance | some people have been making such accusations for a while, and then the whole q crowd, etc. | Apr 22 22:33 |
| kingoffrance | so...i dunno, not surprising i guess | Apr 22 22:33 |
| MinceR | the Q Continuum? | Apr 22 22:35 |
| smnthermes | XRevan86: it really happened, but the leaks doesn't seem to tell anything useful | Apr 22 22:36 |
| smnthermes | don't* | Apr 22 22:36 |
| XRevan86 | smnthermes: So, no conspiracy? How disappointing. | Apr 22 22:37 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/gotham | Apr 22 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Gotham | Apr 22 23:29 | |
| cubexyz | :) | Apr 22 23:30 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/captcha | Apr 22 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Captcha | Apr 22 23:46 | |
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