●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, July 22, 2022 ●●
● Jul 22
[00:00]	matey	and then to make it worse they used tatu as theme music
[00:00]	matey	hopefully without permission, because-- wtf
[00:01]	bagira	matey: "company merger" </mike meyers voice>
[00:01]	matey	lol
[00:01]	bagira	".....and that's why I'm banned on Libera."
[00:02]	matey	putin and libera are racing to see who can ban the most before being destroyed
[00:03]	psydruid	you've been CoC-blocked
[00:03]	matey	its only a fair fight because their self-destructive tendencies are on par with their trigger fingers
[00:03]	bagira	ive actually never once been subject to a CoC action, believe it or not psydruid 
[00:03]	matey	/me never went to lieplanet because he thought they would pull the exact shit they finally did in 2019
[00:03]	psydruid	bagira, you're a better person than I am, that's why
[00:04]	matey	i thought they would do it to someone unimporatant
[00:04]	matey	but theyre far more ambitious
[00:04]	matey	why have a hazard to a reasonable order of things, when you can actually use it as a weapon against a reasonable order of things
[00:05]	bagira	oh ive only seen CoC used for political reasons, ive never once seen anybody subject to a CoC action when it was not
[00:05]	matey	corporations like to appropriate things that other people invented
[00:05]	matey	then monopolise them
[00:05]	matey	code of conquest
[00:05]	psydruid	I've got the feeling that some channel owners/admins on Libera are looking for dirt on you in order to be able swing their CoCs and ban you
[00:06]	bagira	psydruid: oh i have no doubt
[00:06]	psydruid	if that's your life's mission, be my guest, I should say
[00:06]	bagira	psydruid: the funniest part is about it is they can't without doctoring logs, because all of their bullshit is completely fabricated.
[00:06]	earthling	if libera is subverted by the same mindset as former freenode was... no need to register there
[00:07]	earthling	yet didn't expect this to pop up in here
[00:07]	matey	anyone who has a reasonable set of expectations for a community is preemptively banned when the coc goes into effect
[00:08]	earthling	doesn't change anything relevant for me
[00:08]	matey	thats because youre a delusional sociopath with a victim mentality who thinks hes the only person who can talk shit all day, and when someone else dishes it out for a change, he just whinges like a bitch to an arbitration committee that doesnt exist
[00:08]	bagira	matey: thanks bud, luv you too
[00:08]	matey	ask mjg if he can help you
[00:08]	earthling	the mainstream trends of where "free software" is heading, this was on topic, the coffin nails drilled into linux kernel and gcc for example
[00:09]	matey	bagira, you know im not saying that to you, so youre just messing with me?
[00:09]	earthling	same with browsers
[00:09]	earthling	then matey joined and distracted with his incitement and agitation
[00:09]	bagira	matey: hell, i have no idea who you're talking to, i thought you were drunk
[00:09]	matey	bagira: earthling 
[00:10]	matey	theres really only three poeple i talk shit about in here
[00:10]	matey	one you talk shit about too, another isnt important, and the third is this guy, who uses a new handle every day or two
[00:11]	MinceR	22 010651 < bagira> psydruid: the funniest part is about it is they can't without doctoring logs, because all of their bullshit is completely fabricated.
[00:11]	MinceR	often they just read what wasn't written (or hear what wasn't said)
[00:11]	MinceR	like in RMS' case
[00:11]	matey	thats the delusional part
[00:11]	bagira	psydruid: btw i strategically leave out some bait for them often for them to try to misuse that completely backfires on them design when they try to weaponize it 
[00:11]	bagira	*on them by design
[00:12]	bagira	like
[00:12]	bagira	i've been at this a long time now
[00:12]	bagira	and i play the long game
[00:12]	matey	its the only one that can be won
[00:13]	matey	these fucks have been at it for half a decade, if not a whole one
[00:13]	earthling	who? what at it?
[00:14]	matey	earthling: i thought you understood everything thats going on
[00:14]	matey	given that you know everything
[00:14]	matey	so you already know who
[00:15]	bagira	the lilo years were much better than the ones leading up to their fall
[00:16]	bagira	before psychos got the reins
[00:16]	matey	understandably, youre talking about irc
[00:16]	matey	i mean free software
[00:16]	matey	with libera theres overlap
[00:16]	matey	both in the players and the objective
[00:16]	bagira	OFTC isn't any better btw
[00:16]	matey	but if you make it about irc, it really is, so thats fair
[00:17]	matey	no its not
[00:19]	earthling	anyway
[00:19]	bagira	the problem with OFTC is its all the same people, and factor in the impact of Tom Wesley on literaly anyone around him and its no wonder it all went to shit for them.
[00:19]	bagira	oftc/debian problems aside
[00:19]	earthling	this is my understanding of the recent scrollback: some technical peculariaties were discussed
[00:20]	earthling	then matey joins in and instantly distracts, diverts, insults to distract
[00:20]	matey	/me watches earthling turn into mjg-with-toothbrush-moustache
[00:20]	earthling	so who is this person? what are his intentions? on whose payroll?
[00:20]	matey	i work for interpol
[00:20]	bagira	do you really
[00:20]	matey	im the one who installs the poles
[00:20]	bagira	oh ffs
[00:21]	matey	its not prestigious but someone has to
[00:21]	matey	bagira: sorry, he asked a stupid question
[00:21]	earthling	oh, poor victim again
[00:21]	MinceR	lol
[00:21]	earthling	what's certain so far, this type of communication, it is methodological
[00:22]	matey	no its presbyterian
[00:22]		*bagira hands earthling some shiny, spinny thing that falls and rolls into the other room
[00:22]	earthling	something in the scrollback to distract from, flood the channel with crap
[00:22]	earthling	DaemonFC did it too often
[00:22]	matey	look whos talking
[00:23]	matey	keep it up and jesus might come back, holding his nose
[00:23]	matey	"what?"
[00:23]	matey	"i couldnt stand it anymore"
[00:23]	matey	"but everything before?"
[00:23]	matey	"thats a fair point"
[00:23]	matey	"straw the broke the camels back, etc etc"
[00:24]	earthling	matey wasn't at least present in this channel, and instantly flooded crap two seconds after he joined
[00:24]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/21/ohio-school-teacher-resigns-and-takes-a-job-at-walmart-because-it-pays-better/
[00:24]	TR Bot	 Ohio school teacher resigns and takes a job at Walmart because it pays better. BaronHK's Rants
[00:24]	matey	this is one of the delusions people can have, when they think everything works the way they assume it does
[00:24]	matey	things happen out of nowhere-- with no cause-- no buildup
[00:25]	matey	just because its been ongoing for fucking ages
[00:25]	bagira	shit if a teacher is in it for the money, they're teaching for the wrong reasons.  teachers have never been paid well.
[00:25]	earthling	let me see the log again... join... tik tok, BAM, crap
[00:25]	matey	but not in 12 hours, so the clock on reality just arbitrarily resets
[00:25]	matey	youre proving my point as i speek
[00:26]	matey	and typo like hell
[00:26]	matey	reality doesnt reset for most people every few hours
[00:26]	DaemonFC	"If anyone really is interested in Trevor Noah bitching (he ruined the Daily Show because hes not a comedian), Im sure that the state has also wasted my money buying his books rambling on about grievances against White people at the public library.
[00:26]	earthling	so, what urged matey to join a channel, not knowing what was talked about before, and instantly calling for mass murder?
[00:26]	DaemonFC	(Just make sure you leave your name there for the COVID contact tracers.)"
[00:26]	matey	try scrolling back farther than 20 minutes ago
[00:27]	matey	first of all, you have mjg disease
[00:27]	matey	you take every comment seriously
[00:27]	earthling	i got a scrollback open for 8hours
[00:27]	matey	i got a scrollback open for 8hours <- fortunately for your point, the world did not exist 9 hours ago
[00:27]	DaemonFC	I would say fuck him, but you'd apparently have to stand in line outside the bathroom stall at the conference.
[00:27]	earthling	no join/part from matey, then he joins, and instantly spread fud and crap
[00:27]	matey	second of all. you have mjg disease
[00:28]	DaemonFC	Some things are just too gross even with a prophylactic. 
[00:28]	earthling	matey coudln't at least have known what was on topic in the last 8hours
[00:28]	DaemonFC	Like Windows.
[00:28]	matey	you believe theres a special court that enforces your personal interpretation of reality
[00:28]	matey	ready to do your bidding and make things right, whatever you think right is
[00:28]	matey	good luck with that
[00:28]	matey	any good psychologist could tell you it only leads to more suffering
[00:28]	matey	which you will find people to blame for
[00:29]	matey	including einstein, lol...
[00:29]	matey	because your problems are his fault somehow
[00:29]	DaemonFC	"The problem of not valuing public education is easy to blame on the Republican Party because theyre definitely the dumber of the two major political parties in America, but the Democrats rely on an army of voters who are too stupid to take care of themselves and need welfare."
[00:29]	DaemonFC	:)
[00:30]	DaemonFC	Mandy didn't even really go to school in the Philippines, and I'd say he's more intelligent than about 90% of the people he works with at Walmart, in America, where public education is compulsory.
[00:30]	DaemonFC	It's not safe to check in on your app before you drive there and tell them where you parked.
[00:30]	TR News	social rules gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/random9 "Most of them are stupid, since they mostly make me wonder how people would live up for more than 5 seconds if one of the rules they care about for practically no reason is being broken."
[00:30]	DaemonFC	As soon as you check in, one of those stupid bastards will go out and shove your groceries in some random DoorDash car.
[00:30]	DaemonFC	Without even making sure it's you.
[00:31]	matey	your posts are an unceasing whinge about all the people who have wronged you
[00:31]	TR News	My First Love Confession and Dealing with Rejection gemini://crossface.smol.pub/rejected
[00:31]	matey	but its mostly people who have no connection to your suffering
[00:31]	bagira	generally agreed with all of the above, but, when i see people lying about someone is where i draw the line and need to pull out the heavy artillery
[00:31]	psydruid	Das Opfer des Schweinhundes
[00:31]	TR News	Workflows, Tooling and Bloat gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/workflows_tooling_and_bloat.gmi
[00:31]	matey	 when i see people lying about someone is where i draw the line and need to pull out the heavy artillery <- all the rewriting of history going on is worth fighting against
[00:32]	DaemonFC	There's really no point in trying to go to a community college in Illinois.
[00:32]	matey	Schweinhundes <- knows this one
[00:32]	DaemonFC	They make you pay 5 times what the degree or certificate should cost, with interest, to prop up the Democrat patronage hires and woke idiots who hand out Trevor Noah and call themselves "professors".
[00:32]	matey	its too bad they dont make a beer called Schweinhundes
[00:32]	matey	i would try it just for laughs
[00:33]	matey	it would probably taste horrible (it probably should, if theyre going to call it that)
[00:33]	DaemonFC	One of the "professors" there got into an argument with me about calendars. He said there was no calendar before the one we use now.
[00:33]	DaemonFC	I mean, and they made him a professor!
[00:33]	matey	whats funny earthling
[00:33]	matey	is it was a one-off comment
[00:33]	bagira	DaemonFC: lol
[00:33]	matey	a nasty one to be sure
[00:33]	matey	the sole reason we are talking about it like 45 minutes later, is you demand answers youve already received.
[00:34]	matey	but you demand the answers you want, not the ones that actually exist.
[00:34]	matey	so this will go on until you get over it
[00:34]	DaemonFC	He gets a salary. "What are we learning today!" Professor: "I don't know. Here's Trevor Noah talking about some shit that happened to black people 200 years ago. Knock yourself out!".
[00:34]	matey	but youll blame me for derailing the conversation
[00:34]	matey	even while it goes on without you.
[00:34]	bagira	DaemonFC: id have dated all my papers with the julian calendar from then forward until he asks why my date is always wrong
[00:34]	matey	and thats without even making the point that this channel has very little in the way of rails to go off of
[00:35]	matey	due as much to you as anyone, but even without that
[00:35]	earthling	calling for mass murder isn't something to distance onself from by diverting into an abstract ideological realm with abstract terms such as "socialist" of "zionist"
[00:35]	earthling	hence, i want to know, why YOU, matey, called for mass murder
[00:35]	matey	calling for mass murder isn't something to distance onself from by diverting into an abstract ideological realm with abstract terms such as "socialist" of "zionist" <- ah, here we go
[00:36]	matey	youre starting to transition from meaningless accusations to pure nonsense again
[00:36]	matey	welcome back
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[00:36]	matey	obviously youve recovered from shock and now youre just grassping for a topic
[00:36]	bagira	DaemonFC: mine was a prof that laughed off the introduction of hegelian dialectics to the student body code of conduct (i was a student senate kid), only i wasn't talking about hegelian dialectics, I brought up "categorical imperative as philosophical basis for rules of order", and he didn't know kant or hegel apparently
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[00:37]	matey	/me didnt mean to spell that with ss but now we can use that funny-looking B thing instead
[00:37]	matey	/me knows its not a B
[00:37]	earthling	matey: obviosly not, because something else was talked about, until you, with the scrollback available, weren't at least present
[00:37]	earthling	then /join ... 2seconds ... the rest followed
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[00:37]	matey	besides, its probably B anyone
[00:37]	matey	anyway, its not "grashping"
[00:37]	bagira	earthling: why are you so butthurt
[00:38]	earthling	so isn't there any other channel for you matey , such as #callformassmurder in 7chan.irc something?
[00:38]	matey	because hes kenneth mars in the producers
[00:38]	matey	no, really...
[00:38]	DaemonFC	Nobody gets those jobs because they're intelligent.
[00:38]	DaemonFC	They know the state governor.
[00:38]	matey	hes the closest thing ive ever seen to that role in real life
[00:38]	DaemonFC	So he packs them into the state university and has them charge black people money they'll spend the rest of their lives paying back 6 times over about slavery.
[00:39]	DaemonFC	Not bank slavery. Slavery 200 years ago.
[00:39]	DaemonFC	The safe kind.
[00:39]	DaemonFC	The one that has them burning a working class white man's old Buick in the ghetto.
[00:39]	matey	earthling, dont hoard straying from the topic, theres enough for everyone
[00:40]	DaemonFC	Not the kind that has them tearing the politicians out of their offices, killing them, and overthrowing the state.
[00:42]	earthling	bagira: either he leaves and doesn't return, or i will
[00:42]	MinceR	that sounds familiar
[00:42]	matey	where is mjgs lawyer? i want it in writing
[00:42]	bagira	earthling: bye felicia-domo
[00:42]	earthling	and be leaving, i mean he will /part and /quit now
[00:43]	matey	i swear it was just the seat
[00:43]	matey	/me moves it again and makes the same noise
[00:43]	earthling	matey: gtfo
[00:43]	matey	i believe you mean RAUS
[00:43]	matey	but nein
[00:43]	DaemonFC	"Teachers' job satisfaction hit an all-time low this year, according to the Merrimack College Teacher Survey," said the report. "Most respondents said they felt overworked, underpaid and under-appreciated. Only 12 percent said they were very satisfied with their jobs, down from 39 percent in 2012. More than half said they likely wouldn't advise their younger selves to pursue a career in teaching."
[00:43]		*earthling has quit (Quit: connection closed.)
[00:43]	matey	its never that easy
[00:43]	DaemonFC	The 12% who are happy are probably the Chicago Teachers Union.
[00:44]	bagira	oh no
[00:44]	DaemonFC	They go on strike and get whatever they want.
[00:44]	bagira	will we ever recover from him leaving us behind?
[00:44]	matey	yes, he will be back in a few minutes or less than a day
[00:44]	DaemonFC	They're not like most teachers who go years without a raise and have to deal with voucher programs and such.
[00:44]	bagira	*can* we recover?
[00:44]	DaemonFC	The question is.....Do we want to?
[00:44]		*DaemonFC puts gun to head
[00:44]	matey	/me sets a flower down where the quit message is
[00:44]	DaemonFC	Talk me down!
[00:44]	DaemonFC	:P
[00:45]	britney	lol
[00:45]	bagira	im chaotic good bro, you dont want to bait me with this
[00:45]	DaemonFC	mateywhere is mjgs lawyer? i want it in writing
[00:45]	matey	chaotic good is the best kind
[00:45]	DaemonFC	He probably has one of those ones like MARISOL's.
[00:45]	britney	we will know when earthling returns using another name because they will complain about anything that isn't a TUI
[00:45]	DaemonFC	Takes all of her money promising to scare the hell out of us and then gets her nothing in court.
[00:46]	matey	tuis are bloated, repl or gtfo
[00:46]	britney	repl?
[00:46]	DaemonFC	MARISOL can afford putting it on the credit card you know.
[00:46]	DaemonFC	;)
[00:46]	matey	monitors are a ripoff, i just read the pulses from the serial port with my own skin
[00:46]	bagira	im fairly sure he shares a lawyer with like half the people in the appelbaum and peter todd cases
[00:46]	britney	punch cards or stfu
[00:46]	DaemonFC	$1,800 isn't much to get 5 seconds of catharsis followed by nothing at all.
[00:47]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REPL
[00:47]	TR Bot	 Readevalprint loop - Wikipedia
[00:47]	matey	A readevalprint loop (REPL), also termed an interactive toplevel or language shell, is a simple interactive computer programming environment that takes single user inputs, executes them, and returns the result to the user; a program written in a REPL environment is executed piecewise.[1] The term usually refers to programming interfaces similar to the classic Lisp machine interactive environment.
[00:47]	matey	python too
[00:47]	matey	>>> 
[00:48]	bagira	i bet 20 gas station burritos earthling comes back in like 20 minutes from now
[00:48]	britney	bagira, mmmmmm
[00:49]	matey	i bet 20 gas station burritos <- i cant believe the geneva convention allows such things
[00:49]	britney	bagira, i agree, he needs someone to listen to his complaints
[00:49]	britney	its not like he has social media
[00:50]	matey	the irony is ive spent more time trying to fish out reason from him than anyone
[00:50]	matey	i found some of his ideas about minimalist distros inspiring
[00:50]	DaemonFC	American Communist: Young person opens a bill they don't want to pay. Declares they're a Communist.
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Lives with mom and dad.
[00:50]	bagira	not everybody has access to that
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Never had to work in their life.
[00:50]	matey	but the last straw was him saying einstein was an idiot who worked with pretend physics
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Knows nothing about economics.
[00:50]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/dancerecital.png   ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-dancerecital#comic )
[00:50]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
[00:50]	matey	i mean its not like i care what people say about einstein
[00:51]	bagira	certainly not an idiot but in all honesty the leraning is that he was a little off in his odels
[00:51]	matey	thats not it
[00:51]	DaemonFC	Reddit's LateStageCapitalism is a pretty good example of people who don't get it.
[00:51]	bagira	off in his models*
[00:51]	mjg59_	matey: Oh, nice work (genuinely)
[00:51]	matey	every scientist is off in their models
[00:51]	matey	almost by virtue of it being a model
[00:51]	MinceR	On second thought, let's not go to Camelot. 'Tis a silly place.
[00:51]	bagira	gravity may actually not exist, the speed of light is not fixed, and time may also not exist as a fixed construct tied to velocity
[00:52]	matey	mjg: enemy of an enemy?
[00:52]	bagira	at least its not a simulation though
[00:52]	mjg59_	matey: Are you my enemy?
[00:52]	bagira	i mean it'd be pretty obvious if it were, id just look for system limits like a minimum temperature or maybe a maximum speed
[00:52]	mjg59_	matey: Oh never mind, I think I see what oyu mean
[00:52]	matey	mjg: thats a fair question but it has no direct relationship with what i was asking
[00:53]	bagira	....
[00:53]	matey	i assume (maybe) you are congratulating me for running off a right winger
[00:53]	matey	but thats not what has happened
[00:53]	matey	i took out some of my annoyance on him and he fled
[00:53]	matey	he will return
[00:53]	bagira	in 14 minutes
[00:54]	MinceR	22 015248 < bagira> i mean it'd be pretty obvious if it were, id just look for system limits like a minimum temperature or maybe a maximum speed
[00:54]	MinceR	lol
[00:54]	matey	 gravity may actually not exist <- even if it doesnt, newton got the ball rolling
[00:55]	matey	its just that it would have kept going until an equal and opposite force acted upon it
[00:56]	matey	also f=ma has very different connotations depending on where you say it
[00:56]	matey	newton said it all the time when he forgot to carry the f
[00:56]	MinceR	say it in a pub
[00:57]	matey	thats one way to make new friends
[00:57]	matey	 <bagira> in 14 minutes <- lol
[00:57]	bagira	mjg59_: so how's your treasure hunting going?
[00:58]	mjg59_	Oh y'know the usual
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[00:59]	matey	sadly yes
● Jul 22
[01:00]	bagira	mjg59_: i do, i just was curious if you were going to pretend it was going well or not lol
[01:00]	matey	/me thinks of the episode of the office where jim sends gaydar to dwight
[01:00]	matey	its just a metal detector wand that says "gaydar" on it
[01:00]	bagira	matey: lol\
[01:00]	matey	dwight triggers it with his belt buckle
[01:00]	matey	yes, this is a metaphor
[01:01]	matey	theyve been distributing units to everyone with ops on libera
[01:02]	matey	and various other self-proclaimed officials
[01:02]	bagira	alot of that's going to work itself out
[01:02]	matey	one way or another
[01:02]	bagira	provided people dont assume it'll work itself out
[01:03]	matey	but when roy says that i say dont let a kitchen fire keep going just because all fires burn out eventually
[01:03]	matey	ahh
[01:03]	matey	right?
[01:03]	matey	when its really silly i tell him "yes, ultimately the sun will explode"
[01:04]	MinceR	will it?
[01:04]	bagira	justice is a human concept
[01:04]	matey	in theory
[01:04]	MinceR	i thought it will blow up, shrink and then cool out
[01:05]	matey	maybe im silly to think thats splitting hairs
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[01:06]	MinceR	blow up as in grow to a much bigger size but not actually explode, i mean
[01:06]	bagira	yeah sol will go red giant, then shrink back down and cool off into a giant space turd
[01:06]	matey	i mean it runs in fusion
[01:07]	matey	i dont think youd be crazy to say its already exploding
[01:07]	bagira	i mean
[01:07]	bagira	yeah?
[01:07]	MinceR	:)
[01:07]	matey	my point was the ultimately threat it poses to earth (unless earth somehow moves far away)
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[01:07]	MinceR	oh yeah
[01:07]	bagira	matey: shit man, the sun's the least of our worries
[01:07]	MinceR	and it will deprive earth of atmosphere and water before it engulfs it
[01:07]	bagira	we'll be gone long before then
[01:07]	matey	bagira: i like to think big
[01:07]	matey	probably
[01:07]	matey	but its worth a try
[01:08]	MinceR	unless humanity miraculously gets its shit together and does something about it
[01:08]	MinceR	which i wouldn't bet on
[01:08]	matey	why not? 
[01:08]	matey	if you lose, who collects
[01:08]	MinceR	:>
[01:08]	bagira	we'd need like...single-government, nasa-at-the-core-of-our-society-instead-of-defense-budgets kind of star trek shit to develop long enough to even get to red giant heat death
[01:08]	MinceR	i probably won't survive long enough to collect either way
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[01:09]	MinceR	i'd prefer the no-government kind of shit
[01:09]	matey	we'd need like...single-government, nasa-at-the-core-of-our-society-instead-of-defense-budgets kind of star trek shit 
[01:09]	matey	i said i like to think big.
[01:09]	MinceR	but humans are unfit for either anyway
[01:09]	matey	thats big
[01:09]	bagira	yeah just imagine privatization of offworld colonies
[01:09]	matey	but FIRST before we can save the species
[01:09]	matey	WE NEED TO STAMPOUT WRONGTHINK!
[01:09]	matey	and meanness
[01:09]	matey	and microaggressions!
[01:09]	bagira	"sorry, we will have to cut off shipments of oxygen due to unpaid bill"
[01:09]	AdmFubar	then join the church of the subgenius...
[01:10]	matey	 "its 12345"
[01:10]	bagira	i just dont think a capitalist society could thrive in space
[01:11]	matey	i dont even think it can survive on earth
[01:11]	bagira	and when i say thrive im talking bare minimum survival, tbh, the safety protocols alone would get us
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[01:12]	matey	q had the right idea. just change the gravitational constant of the universe.
[01:12]	matey	not that we can do that, be he starts from the right end
[01:13]	matey	if we want to survive the next million years, we need to think more like that
[01:13]	matey	and im against forgetting the little things
[01:13]	matey	like not all having to think exactly the same
[01:13]	matey	people who want to stay on earth should be allowed to do so
[01:13]	bagira	unless its a simulation, could maybe try to do an address overwrite using a wormhole
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[01:14]	matey	if its a simulation theres are some people we should probably kill
[01:14]	TR Bot	 Pardus TBTAK ULAKBM
[01:14]	matey	somewhere
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[01:14]	bagira	why
[01:14]	matey	because theyre dicks
[01:14]	bagira	you assume if its a simulation that its possible for us to live outside of it
[01:14]	matey	no i dont, ive seen babylon 5
[01:15]	matey	they break the sandbox
[01:15]	matey	they dont beam from sim into reality
[01:15]	matey	but they do start a nuclear war with the computer
[01:15]	bagira	sounds kinda dumb
[01:15]	matey	you had to be there
[01:15]	matey	also its plausible enough
[01:16]	matey	just barely
[01:16]	matey	its not like red dwarf after the first one or two books :/
[01:16]	matey	dwarf has better acting though
[01:17]	matey	anyway i like the hologram theory better than the simulation one
[01:17]	matey	and they have enough in common that at least one isnt that ridiculous
[01:18]	matey	the hologram theory also vindicates the quantum woo woo people 
[01:18]	matey	and thats always fun
[01:19]	matey	as a plus we dont have to kill them then, because the simulation is real too
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[01:29]	britney	<bagira> you assume if its a simulation that its possible for us to live outside of it   <-- someone hasn't seen Tron
[01:30]	matey	tron wasnt all that compelling
[01:30]	matey	but i liked the original
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[01:30]	britney	i love them both
[01:30]	matey	they did a nice job on the visuals for the second one
[01:30]	matey	ive only seen clips
[01:31]	matey	whats cool about tron is red hat has pushed the mcp into most gnu/linux distros
[01:31]	britney	LOL
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[01:32]	matey	but seriously, i liked it even a lot closer to the release date
[01:32]	matey	i saw it in the 80s
[01:32]	matey	/me rattles his cane at lennart
[01:32]	britney	its one of the movies i like to watch yearly
[01:33]	matey	definitely a classic
[01:33]	matey	and this from someone who passionately hates disney
[01:33]	britney	hackers is pretty good too
[01:33]	matey	good old fisher stevens
[01:33]	matey	or not so good this time
[01:34]	matey	bad, bad fisher stevens!
[01:34]	matey	poor guy, he signed a contract
[01:34]	matey	then they were like "can you do it in brownface?"
[01:34]	matey	"um, ok"
[01:34]	matey	so he does 
[01:34]	matey	and then just like people who are really brown get typecast
[01:34]	matey	he started getting typecast in brownface!
[01:34]	britney	what I'd really love to do is get some LSD and watch 2001, Star Trek 1 and Tron
[01:35]	matey	2001 IS lsd
[01:35]	britney	oh and Dune 1980s
[01:35]	matey	dune is bath salts
[01:35]	matey	im not actually hating on dune
[01:35]	matey	though im dangerously close to going too far
[01:36]	britney	its been years since i watched dune but figured it would be a good watch on LSD
[01:36]	matey	star trek 1 is cheap canadian whiskey in a dom perignon bottle
[01:36]	britney	i had some LSD like 10 years ago and Star Trek 1 was amazing on it
[01:36]	matey	but id watch it again, of course
[01:36]	britney	basically any kinda long movie with visuals
[01:38]	britney	when i did LSD ten years ago, i watched star trek 1, napoleon dynamite and 2001
[01:39]	matey	lol
[01:39]	britney	i would swap out napoleon dynamite for tron
[01:39]	britney	and throw in some dune
[01:39]	matey	they need to remake napoleon dynamite and 2001 as a single film
[01:39]	matey	that would be amazing
[01:39]	britney	lol
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[01:40]	britney	i tried watching the second Mr Bean movie high on mushrooms, that was so fucked up
[01:40]	matey	if i was going to get high and watch mr bean, my first chioce is mr bean goes on vacation
[01:40]	britney	that was the movie
[01:40]	matey	that was the second one?
[01:40]	britney	yeah
[01:41]	matey	well then
[01:41]	matey	ive seen the tv show, the animated series
[01:41]	matey	probably both films
[01:41]	matey	i dont know which is which though :)
[01:41]	britney	i liked the first movie better
[01:41]	matey	i mean the animated one is obvious
[01:41]	matey	vacation was too mainstream
[01:41]	matey	but it still had a charm
[01:42]	britney	his facial expressions in vacation just tripped me the hell out
[01:42]	matey	lol
[01:42]	matey	hes got a pretty funny face to begin with
[01:42]	britney	yeah lol
[01:42]	britney	mushrooms were too intense, i liked LSD better
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[01:44]	DaemonFC	I don't know. I never got past weed.
[01:44]	britney	weed is great but these days it just makes me paranoid
[01:44]	britney	i've only tried mushrooms and LSD once each
[01:45]	britney	everyone should try LSD at least once in their life
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[01:54]	bagira	im sure it does help to escape the shackles of dogma for some
[01:55]	DaemonFC	As soon as it became legal it lost all of its appeal.
[01:55]	DaemonFC	Mostly, the drug war backfired because it turned weed into "forbidden fruit".
[01:55]	bagira	i was referring to psychadelics
[01:55]	DaemonFC	Why is anything that's illegal fun? It's illegal! That's half the fun, minimum.
[01:55]	DaemonFC	Oh, now they want to make mushrooms and LSD legal.
[01:56]	DaemonFC	Might as well. World's falling apart anyway.
[01:56]	bagira	thats going to be great for trauma professionals
[01:56]	britney	I want to do some LSD again 
[01:56]	britney	it was great
[01:56]	bagira	psylocibin is extremely promising in treating PTSD
[01:57]	britney	i've heard about that
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[01:59]	bagira	in any case, drug war bad, they need to legalize all the things and treat addiction like a public health issue instead of a criminal one
[01:59]	britney	i agree
[01:59]	bagira	especially cocaine
[01:59]	bagira	for reasons, dammit!
● Jul 22
[02:00]	britney	cocaine lol
[02:00]	britney	just drink a pot of coffee, its cheaper
[02:01]	bagira	no man its just dumb.  in 1950 if you snorted a line off marilyn monroe's ass it comes off as regal; in 2022 if you do that you get charged with desecrating a burial site and posession of a controlled substance
[02:01]	britney	LMAO
[02:02]	britney	cocaine is a hell of a drug
[02:02]	MinceR	lol
[02:02]	britney	https://c.tenor.com/gUkszYth2ogAAAAC/cocaine-cocaines-a-hell-of-a-drug.gif
[02:03]	MinceR	https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/82423430/drugs-are-a-hell-of-a-drug.jpg
[02:03]	britney	lol
[02:10]	bagira	poor frank.  he's feeding right into the trap and he doesn't even know it.
[02:11]	bagira	i'd say by about now at least
[02:12]	bagira	i jest.  f*ck frank.
[02:18]	DaemonFC	Doing a useragent override for bing.com and telling it desktop Safari on Mac gets Bing to stop crashing SeaMonkey.
[02:18]	bagira	that's actually really interesting
[02:19]	bagira	you should tell safari to say it's seamonkey and see what happens in safari
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[02:23]	mjg59_	 bagira: When you say "The original satire profile that Garrett misrepresents in both events of defamation is still in existence and unaltered for the sole purpose of debunking both his original claim", that's not actually true, is it?
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[02:24]	mjg59_	Because the account that now has the void_witch2 handle is not the original one that did
[02:25]	mjg59_	The original @lord_bagira account was changed to @void_witch2, and was then renamed to @equitis_rubrum when the current @void_witch2 account was created
[02:26]	bagira	mjg59_: Is this really the best version of you?
[02:26]	mjg59_	I'm just pointing out that you're making an explicit claim that doesn't appear to be true
[02:27]	mjg59_	Seems like an easy thing for you to correct
[02:29]	bagira	Well, it is in terms of timeline tracking, you just haven't pieced together the order of events, yet, Mr. Dumpty.
[02:30]	mjg59_	You're linking to a profile that isn't the profile I was talking about
[02:30]	mjg59_	Merely one that has the same name
[02:31]	mjg59_	The one I was talking about *has* been altered
[02:31]	bagira	No, you're just a horrible liar about to make a verifiably false claim that will also backfire on you.
[02:32]	bagira	I mean that's like 10 minutes of work stretched out to debunk in exchange for what I assume is days of your collective time.
[02:32]		*bagira hands mjg59_ a shovel
[02:32]	mjg59_	Do you deny that you renamed the @lord_bagira account to @void_witch2, and then renamed that to @equitis_rubrum and created a new account called @void_witch2?
[02:33]	bagira	I do not, what I deny is the weird loophole you're looking for about somehow talking about a different account, since the switch was before the parody was known.  You're reversing the order of events, presumably deliberately, so that you can retro your own poor behaviour.
[02:34]	bagira	The accounts did switch, but as you'll see in the captures, the content in mention was after the switch and before it was known to you.  You are a liar, and not a very good one, and I've met you a thousand times.
[02:34]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I had the idea.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	NewsWaffle in SeaMonkey.
[02:35]	mjg59_	bagira: The github issue discussing this predates the switch
[02:35]	DaemonFC	So I just opened a Gemini to Web proxy and use NewsWaffle this way and it works.
[02:36]	bagira	mjg59_: That doesn't matter at all.
[02:36]	mjg59_	bagira: And, well, you're just wrong here?
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[02:36]	mjg59_	bagira: https://web.archive.org/web/20210327233127/https://twitter.com/void_witch2/status/1375953488073621504 - that is literally you responding to me using that account
[02:36]	TR Bot	 Void Witch on Twitter: "https://t.co/Qa5QsG5jUc "
[02:36]	bagira	You're trying to make a true statement into a false statement to try to distract from your own poor behaviour and it's not going to work and will actually further hurt your own credibility.
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[02:37]	bagira	There's no technicality to save you.  There's no magic lie to tell.  There's only growth or failure.
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[02:38]	mjg59_	The technicality where I was obviously aware of your behaviour using that account, given that you showed up in my mentions using that account?
[02:39]	DaemonFC	Mr. GULAG is like Nixon.
[02:39]	DaemonFC	They said if you accused Nixon of killing 12 kids and a dog, he'd present a live dog and call you a liar.
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[02:39]	bagira	mjg59_: stew in your failure for another night and come back soon.
[02:40]	bagira	mjg59_: what i would not do though is assume that your position is static in an environment of moving and interacting nodes
[02:41]	bagira	there will be lulls and pauses
[02:41]	bagira	they will betray you
[02:41]	mjg59_	And huh what's this?
[02:41]	mjg59_	https://web.archive.org/web/20210328021730/https://twitter.com/void_witch2/status/1375995364281552901
[02:41]	TR Bot	 Void Witch on Twitter: "Your smear campaign failed. At this point, pulling out isn't enough -- you will have to issue a public apology. "
[02:41]	mjg59_	A tweet made from the original @void_witch2 account, and which has since been deleted
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[02:44]	bagira	false light, meet real light
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[02:47]	bagira	you guys are hard to watch in this phase
[02:48]	bagira	imagine how much better your lives would be if you just spent an hour some saturday making a list of all the people you've damaged with your false words and just issuing an apology to restore them and yourself to dignity.
[02:48]	bagira	instead of the countless hours you'll spend trying to stir up chickenshit tangents 
[02:49]	bagira	like you have no doubt done repeatedly in each of these little sagas
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● Jul 22
[03:00]	bagira	mjg59_: anyway, when did you and reichwein meet?
[03:00]	bagira	like ballparkish what year 
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[03:12]	bagira	i guess he doens't wan to talk about the good stuff
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[03:28]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.wired.com%252Fstory%252Ftech-layoffs-diversity%252F
[03:28]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[03:28]	DaemonFC	Liberals concerned collapsing economy could set back wokeness.
[03:30]	bagira	DaemonFC: the layoffs are starting to hit close to home too, we just saw 1000 tech workers re-enter the market from two major layoffs in our area.  
[03:31]	bagira	we're not talking amazon warehouse either, these were like career engineers in systems and security spaces
[03:42]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.wired.com%252Fstory%252Fage-of-social-credit%252F
[03:42]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
[03:43]	DaemonFC	"Before FICO, credit bureaus relied in part on gossip culled from peoples landlords, neighbors, and local grocers. Applicants race could be counted against them, as could messiness, poor morals, and effeminate gestures."
[03:43]	DaemonFC	Wow, I didn't know that.
[03:43]	DaemonFC	How would they know that?
[03:43]	DaemonFC	It's not like people's landlords and neighbors got on Facebook and started saying stuff about them.
[03:44]	bagira	what year was fico introduced? the distance people in communities have to each other is relatively recent in history, people used to be alot more tightly knit
[03:45]	DaemonFC	1989 apparently.
[03:45]	bagira	thats a little later than i'd hoped to read tbh, but sounds about right.  people back then really did know each other better around town.
[03:46]	DaemonFC	Maybe someone from the credit bureau called your neighbors or landlord or something?
[03:46]	DaemonFC	Like, you had to list them on a credit application or something and depending on what they said about you, you got a loan?
[03:47]	bagira	everybody knew everybody in town until like the 90s so it was probably someone at the bank just calling mutual associates
[03:47]	bagira	there are still places like that (excluding banks lol)
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Banks throw credit cards at you really easy today.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Especially if it's pretty obvious to them you won't be able to pay in full. (Like MARISOL.)
[03:49]	DaemonFC	There ideal customer doesn't pay in full.
[03:49]	DaemonFC	They load the entire card up, or several, and then make minimum payments forever.
[03:56]	DaemonFC	bagira: It just seems they probably didn't have anything sophisticated back then.
[03:56]	DaemonFC	It's totally believable that FICO came out of mjg59_'s Democrat Shithole.
[03:57]	DaemonFC	This way they can stuff racial bias and other nasties into a computer program you can't see instead of admitting it.
[03:57]	DaemonFC	(San Francisco....where you can be fined for parking in your driveway unless you can prove someone parked there before 1978.)
[03:58]	DaemonFC	The city has way too much time on its hands.
[03:58]	DaemonFC	I suggest sentencing everyone there to hard labor.
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[04:00]	bagira	DaemonFC: lol, well im sure in his case the fines dont matter if he can claim that the officer swapped shoes earlier in the day before writing the ticket
[04:00]	bagira	that dude must be sippin man
[04:01]	DaemonFC	One of those Web sites that builds dossiers on everyone told me the value of the place Mr. GULAG lives in.
[04:01]	britney	DaemonFC, who is Mr Gulag?
[04:01]	DaemonFC	Of course, in San Francisco, $748,000 is probably renting a timeshare in someone's bathroom where you get to sleep in the tub when they're not using it.
[04:01]	bagira	my guess is 250-500k
[04:02]	DaemonFC	I want to say $748,000. I seem to recall a ballpark of something like that.
[04:02]	DaemonFC	I could be wrong.
[04:02]	DaemonFC	Maybe it was $478,000. Anyway....
[04:03]	bagira	yeah thats one of the reasons why i always end up declining a big 5 offer, they offer great money but want you to relocate out there, and the housing is just stupid expensive, like 5/6 of your raised income stupid
[04:03]	bagira	and for squalor too
[04:03]	DaemonFC	Point is, you could get a big house with a garage, 4 bedrooms, two stories, a finished basement, on 2 acres of land, in my hometown. Nice one too.
[04:03]	bagira	if you want a decent place in sil valley you need millions
[04:03]	DaemonFC	You could buy that for $75,000 even now.
[04:03]	DaemonFC	$500-600 property taxes on the year.
[04:04]	bagira	what city?
[04:04]	bagira	shit, cleveland doesn't even have that right now
[04:04]	DaemonFC	It's near Marion, Indiana
[04:04]	bagira	im in cinci
[04:04]	DaemonFC	Marion is bad, but some of the sleeper towns nearby aren't.
[04:04]	DaemonFC	They built the sleeper towns to get away from the crime.
[04:05]	bagira	when you work remote its worth it to grab an outskirts town
[04:05]	DaemonFC	They were like 99.8% white, and then they commuted into the city to work at the factories that used to be there.
[04:05]	DaemonFC	But like, even in the 90s, when there was crime in Marion to complain of....
[04:05]	DaemonFC	It wasn't a bad place.
[04:05]	DaemonFC	I used to walk around over by the RCA factory to get lunch on my lunch break from school.
[04:06]	DaemonFC	Walk back. We didn't really have this "kids get shot off their bicycle" "pervert out grabbing people" stuff like there is now.
[04:06]	bagira	yeah stuff got weird everywhere real fast
[04:06]	DaemonFC	It's because you get the amount of crime you tolerate.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	And Democrat judges and prosecutors are all over the place trying to get votes out of criminals now.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	So they just cut them loose.
[04:07]	DaemonFC	It got to be so bad that San Francisco is recalling their prosecutor for being too liberal.
[04:08]	DaemonFC	It turns out that they liked the idea of not punishing criminals, in theory.
[04:08]	DaemonFC	When the guy was campaigning, he didn't use the words "I'm going to dump them all back out on you.".
[04:08]	DaemonFC	It was "racial justice" this and that, you know.
[04:09]	DaemonFC	And then he stopped charging them with anything.
[04:09]	DaemonFC	So you had train robberies and organized retail thefts explode.
[04:09]	DaemonFC	Muggings explode.
[04:09]	DaemonFC	Rape explode.
[04:09]	DaemonFC	They were all back out on the street right away even if the cops did catch them. 
[04:10]	DaemonFC	I don't know if a white person doing all those things would be dumped back out.
[04:10]	DaemonFC	I kind of think we'd still get the jury trial, to be perfectly honest.
[04:12]	bagira	i mean
[04:12]	bagira	do you have any stats to back up a racial inequality there
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[04:36]	britney	bagira, of course he doesn't, hes just spewing nonsense 
[04:38]	bagira	will he reach that conclusion if you call it nonsense
[04:38]	bagira	or will he buckle down on it
[04:39]	britney	probably buckle down
[04:39]	britney	he doesnt like it when people say he spews nonsense
[04:39]	bagira	lol
[04:40]	bagira	so britney you missed some garrett drama
[04:40]	britney	oh yeah?
[04:40]	britney	was it regarding appelbaum?
[04:40]	bagira	he came in and found that i had rotated some of my twitter alt accounts to reuse an old one for the satire site 
[04:40]	bagira	before deleting a bunch of old comments
[04:40]	bagira	so he's now trying to say he didn't defame me because he was talking about the old one lol
[04:41]	britney	lol
[04:41]	bagira	i haven't even started with the appelbaum stuff, he's too nervous about it
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[04:41]	bagira	i think somewhere in the back he's thinking "this is that fork in the road ive been worried about" lol
[04:43]	britney	yeah
[04:43]	bagira	in any case, sounds like we have new content coming from both that and the appelbaum thing depending on how shit plays out, few directions it could go
[04:43]	britney	im highly suspect of the situation surrounding appelbaum
[04:43]	bagira	i am finding things
[04:43]	bagira	i can't talk about them yet
[04:44]	britney	i think he was framed because thats what intelligence agencies do
[04:44]	britney	it happened to assange
[04:44]	bagira	well, they do but you're not supposed to talk about that
[04:44]	bagira	there's a well unwritten rule that the clandestine world doesn't exist if you're not in it
[04:45]	bagira	like
[04:45]	bagira	we can say
[04:45]	bagira	"it exists"
[04:45]	britney	appelbaum was too dangerous
[04:45]	bagira	and that "shit like that happens in it"
[04:45]	bagira	but we can't say "thing X happened in it"
[04:46]	bagira	otherwise it becomes a conspiracy theory
[04:46]	bagira	which is a pejorative label meant to discredit any perspective appied to it
[04:46]	bagira	*any perspective it is applied to
[04:47]	bagira	like if i say "britney I think you ate the last piece of pizza and then blamed it on the dog", you can say "oh boy, another conspiracy theory from chris", and while technically accurate, you did, in fact, eat the last fucking piece of pizza and blame it on the dog.
[04:48]	DaemonFC	Dogs eat pizza sometimes.
[04:48]	DaemonFC	I used to slip it to my dog as table scraps.
[04:49]	bagira	my dog eats a ton of pizza
[04:49]	bagira	ive seen him wolf down a whole large
[04:49]	bagira	i didnt give it him, he's just better at getting it than i am at keeping him from getting it
[04:49]	DaemonFC	Her favorite was biscuits and gravy though.
[04:49]	britney	bagira, touche
[04:50]	DaemonFC	I always use the spicy sausage too.
[04:50]	DaemonFC	It got to where she smelled me cooking it and came over to sit down next to me and wait.
[04:50]	britney	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9fByRmAHgU&t=14s
[04:50]	TR Bot	https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=s9fByRmAHgU
[04:50]	TR Bot	invidious.flokinet.to | Jacob Appelbaum (Part 2/2) Digital Anti-Repression Workshop - April 26 2012 - Invidious
[04:51]	britney	Such a good video
[04:51]	britney	Part 1 of 2 seems to have disappeared though
[04:52]	DaemonFC	Garrett only wakes up to lob in the occasional drama bomb and then he goes quiet.
[04:53]	bagira	DaemonFC: pretty sure he sits around seething and writing things down 
[04:53]	DaemonFC	He hasn't been active on Reddit lately. At least under his usual account.
[04:54]	DaemonFC	Strange.
[04:54]	DaemonFC	Reddit is mostly just porn and hate groups.
[04:54]	DaemonFC	http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2898119
[04:54]	TR Bot	 SeaMonkey complains about its own doctype header mozillaZine Forums
[04:54]	DaemonFC	"The error originates from the Firefox Dev Tools team who have apparently decided that authors should not use a Transitional doctype, even if it's actually preferable in most situations. Source: "
[04:54]	bagira	he's been busy prob 
[04:54]	britney	it certainly sounds like DaemonFC is stalking him
[04:54]	DaemonFC	"Why is Transitional preferable? Basically because the HTML standards folks have gone totally crazy in deprecating lots of very useful markup over the years in favor of a hypocritical form of fascism they term "the semantic web". The "semantic" way of building a website these days is not always obvious, easy, or human-writer-friendly and being that Composer is rather old, it still uses a...
[04:54]	DaemonFC	...great deal of older methods for doing things. So the Transitional doctype is probably totally appropriate for the code that Composer generates, even if the Firefox Dev Tools folks are on the HTML5-or-bust bandwagon."
[04:55]	DaemonFC	Using SeaMonkey Composer for your site is fine.
[04:56]	DaemonFC	Even new pages on ToastyTech say the "generator" is Netscape 4.
[04:56]	DaemonFC	I laughed. Certainly that wasn't generating any sort of "standard" markup, yet it all still works fine.
[04:58]	britney	ewwwww
[04:58]	britney	seamonkey composer probably uses html4 cuz its so old
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[04:59]	DaemonFC	Because it works.
[04:59]	britney	I'd rather use vscode
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[05:00]	bagira	so uh
[05:00]	bagira	who the hell are you people anyway
[05:00]	britney	bagira, what do you mean
[05:00]	bagira	like can we do introductions here
[05:01]	DaemonFC	Some of the pages on my site were produced with Netscape Communicator.
[05:01]	britney	DaemonFC, I put one of those old school "best viewed in netscape" buttons on my website
[05:02]	DaemonFC	It was more advanced than Microsoft Fartpage.
[05:02]	DaemonFC	So advanced that it even closed its tags.
[05:03]	britney	i literally made my site by hand, i didn't use an editor
[05:03]	britney	bagira, what kind of introductions
[05:04]	bagira	im chris.  i do linux distro and linux software things, corporate and for fun. im at www.silogroup.org
[05:04]	bagira	and my design skills are horrible
[05:05]	DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Planner
[05:05]	TR Bot	 Apps/Planner - GNOME Wiki!
[05:05]	DaemonFC	This used to be known as MrProject.
[05:05]	DaemonFC	As opposed to MS Project.
[05:06]	DaemonFC	Now you can't make jokes like that.
[05:06]	britney	I'm Britney. I love video games and computers. I'm a conspiracy researcher too. im at https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/
[05:06]	TR Bot	 Cerberus Investigations
[05:06]	bagira	wow that is old school
[05:06]	bagira	like angelfire old school
[05:06]	britney	my site?
[05:07]	bagira	yes lol
[05:07]	britney	i copied the design from maddox.xmission.com
[05:08]	britney	its supposed to look like it came from the 90s but its actually pure HTML5
[05:08]	bagira	so
[05:08]	bagira	who is daniel pocock and wtf is going on there
[05:09]	britney	Daniel Pocock?
[05:10]	bagira	yeah i can't tell what's really going on with that one
[05:10]	bagira	i get reports about him through the abuse email for AO but i can't make sense of the whole thing yet
[05:14]	bagira	it looks at face value like he may have defended appelbaum and was thrown out of debian for it, and then retaliated, but i can't get a straight answer out of anybody on it
[05:15]	britney	AO?
[05:15]	bagira	britney: AO is AbuseOnline ( www.abuseonline.org )
[05:15]	britney	oh ok
[05:20]	britney	https://youtu.be/HHoJ9pQ0cn8 (Part 1)
[05:20]	TR Bot	https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=HHoJ9pQ0cn8
[05:20]	TR Bot	invidious.weblibre.org | Jacob Appelbaum (Part 1/2) Digital Anti-Repression Workshop - April 26 2012 - Invidious
[05:20]	bagira	who tf is DaemonFC 
[05:20]	britney	https://youtu.be/s9fByRmAHgU (Part 2)
[05:20]	TR Bot	https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=s9fByRmAHgU
[05:20]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=s9fByRmAHgU )
[05:20]	britney	DaemonFC is Ryan
[05:21]	britney	he is the channel mascot 
[05:22]	bagira	oh i might've heard about him in some of the techrights articles ive come across
[05:23]	britney	hes in here always spewing nonsense so its not surprising that some of it got quoted on techrights
[05:28]	DaemonFC	Many "rape victims" do lie because they're hoping to get revenge against someone for something else, and they know that rape is such a horrible accusation that it shuts people down so they won't listen to the person being accused.
[05:28]	DaemonFC	There's also almost never any consequences for the person who lies about it even if they do get found out.
[05:29]	DaemonFC	People just disperse and act as if nothing had ever happened, and the person they complained about is still ruined.
[05:30]	bagira	man if you are gonna highlight issues like that you have /got/ to lead with statistical backing
[05:30]	DaemonFC	When I got ahold of police files about myself, the detective was pressuring my ex to throw in a false rape allegation.
[05:30]	bagira	i mean you can not do that but it wont go well convincing an audience
[05:30]	DaemonFC	When my ex wouldn't go there, the detective tried again three times, before moving on to something else.
[05:31]	DaemonFC	So the police often pressure the person in there to complain about you, even if it was unprompted. 
[05:33]	DaemonFC	I'm not sure if it's because the police are homophobic or if it's just because they want more false allegations in case the main thing they have falls apart when they get into the courtroom.
[05:33]	DaemonFC	Then they can say they weren't just wasting their time because "Hell, we all know he was guilty of something.".
[05:33]	DaemonFC	So, the police pressure complainers to throw in false rape accusations. It's up there after planting drugs and guns on people.
[05:34]	bagira	you need stats from a reliable source if you want taken seriously on that
[05:35]	DaemonFC	I've witnessed them doing it.
[05:35]	DaemonFC	It seems to me like they just open a case and then try to stuff as many things into it as they can.
[05:35]	DaemonFC	So they can extract false confessions to something else or taint the jury.
[05:35]	DaemonFC	It's how they win cases without doing the work.
[05:36]	bagira	alot of police officers are horrible human beings, and ive seen them do horrible things too, but its not a credible position to say that its normal without some kind of study.  everyone knows they extract false confessions and obscure evidence sometimes.
[05:36]	bagira	DA offices are often worse than the PD with stuff like that
[05:36]	bagira	but if you want to change minds
[05:36]	bagira	which it sounds like you want to
[05:36]	bagira	studies and stats need quoted
[05:38]	bagira	there are 3 aspects of argument
[05:38]	bagira	ethos, pathos, logos
[05:38]	bagira	ethics, emotion, logic
[05:38]	bagira	you need all three when you take a controversial opinion
[05:39]	DaemonFC	In Chicago right now, they're vacating convictions right and left over a corrupt police detective that beat confessions out of people.
[05:40]	DaemonFC	The CPD also ran a torture center and "black site" at Homan Square.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	A few years ago, a Cook County judge got voted out of office and the Democratic Party was forced to disown him after the public found out it was common for the CPD to bear false confessions out of people then arrange to have the judge admit it into evidence.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	The cops will do whatever they can to win, no matter how filthy, low down, and reprehensible it is.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	And you'd do well to avoid them if you can.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	Then in other cases, they don't care that crimes are happening, at all.
[05:42]	DaemonFC	In my observation, they harass me when I'm not even doing anything and take false reports against me and run with them and try to suggest going further to the liar.
[05:42]	DaemonFC	But when I need help, they just blow me off, even when I can point and say "THE BAD GUYS ARE RIGHT THERE!".
[05:43]	bagira	a strong case for gun ownership
[05:43]	DaemonFC	Don't go near the police. Stay away from a relationship with anyone who even might betray you to them or use them for revenge.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	I mean, there's worse things than a lonely existence.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	Let them bother someone else. Stay in your house. If you do go out, drive friendly.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	Vacation well away from other people.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	Have you noticed in all of those zombie shows, it's not even the zombies that are the main threat.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	It's the survivors.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	And the only reason why things aren't that shitty right now is that society hasn't utterly collapsed, so there are some consequences for people who actually care.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	And that's the only thing that keeps people under control.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	Threats.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	The government threatens to punish them. The church threatens them with Hell.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	Threats, threats, threats.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	So many people don't step out of line and kill their neighbor with a machete or cheat on their income taxes, because of threats.
[05:48]	DaemonFC	Most of the crime in our society comes from people who are too dumb to consider obvious consequences.
[05:48]	DaemonFC	That's why I have a hard time buying it when mjg59_ accuses an intelligent and rational person of rape.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	Rape is hardly an intellectual crime.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	It's caveman stuff.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	It is unlikely that Jacob Appelbaum is a rapist. It is more likely that the allegations are a frame up job.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	If you told me that some asshole in Chicago who had an IQ of 90, a trove of handguns that had never been in the FOID system, and a string of prior offenses had chased someone down and raped them, I'd be more inclined to believe it.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	There's two "rapist" types I've seen.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	The big dumb ox, and the "I'm in a position where I have so much power that nobody will ever believe you, or do anything about me, and I will shatter your world if you go to the police with this." types.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	And Jeremy Soule (Microsoft) is that last type.
[05:54]	britney	Jacob Appelbaum is a dangerous person to the establishment 
[05:54]	DaemonFC	You noticed he found the woman in the office who was on an immigrant visa and backed her into the corner and threatened her with job loss and to be sent packing if she told anyone.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	So I believe that Jeremy Soule is a rapist.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	But mjg59_ never talks about the rapists and pedos at Microsoft.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Even when they get convicted.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	"described Appelbaum ignoring a safeword and becoming violent"
[05:56]	DaemonFC	I don't know why you'd get into BDSM with someone.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	The fact that they're into BDSM would tell you they're not right.
[05:57]	DaemonFC	Again, if indeed this ever happened.
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[06:13]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, July 21, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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[06:14]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[06:14]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
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[06:31]	TR News	Search Engine Ranking Systems Are Being Left Unquestioned gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220722.gmi
[06:32]	TR News	"Search Engines need to undergo much more criticism than they are now, and Geminispace provides us the opportunity to do this at a time when the space is not overcome by corporations and giant capsules that dominate the space. The goal of this article is to question existing ranking algorithms and detail the issues with them." gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220722.gmi
[06:32]	TR News	"I reject the notion that this will provide decent search results on logic and theory grounds. This system is very easy to abuse, and ends up prioritizing the big corporations, capitalistic sites, and trending pages over everything else." gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220722.gmi
[06:33]	TR News	"There is also a circular problem with this system. New sites automatically get a very low ranking, which reduces their discoverability, and consequently reduces the ability for them to get links from other pages to boost their rankings. One's current ranking affects one's future ranking..." gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220722.gmi
[06:34]	TR News	"PageRank is a similar link-based ranking system, developed by Larry Page and Sergey Brin for the Google Search Engine in the late 1990s. The [software] patent expired in 2019. Google still uses PageRank, but has since introduced other algorithm updates on top of it, including Google Panda." gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220722.gmi
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[06:35]	schestowitz	"Many search engines try to combat this by trying to detect these link farms, but this then introduces the possibility of false positives.
[06:35]	schestowitz	 Currently, as far as I am aware, TLGS and Kennedy are both prone to this. AuraGem and GUS are not."  gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220722.gmi
[06:36]	DaemonFC	DuckDuckGo seems to characterize all of Wordpress as a content farm.
[06:37]	DaemonFC	Which means you only read my blog if you discover it through Google or SearX or something that scrapes Google.
[06:37]	DaemonFC	It may not just be DuckDuckGo. It seems Bing actively refuses to return any hits from my blog as well.
[06:38]	DaemonFC	Either way, it undercuts DuckDuckGo's claim that they're not just Bing.
[06:38]	DaemonFC	If they actually had their own results, they would show some of my posts when you search for me.
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[06:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	wordpress.com absorbed msnsspaces
[06:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	when microsoft shut it down
[06:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	and 99% of msspaces, iirc, was deemed spam
[06:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	*msnspaces
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[06:40]	DaemonFC	That's not surprising.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	Microsoft doesn't have any "communities" that are real.
[06:40]	DaemonFC	Probably the closest they got was MSN Chat, which they shut down.
[06:41]	DaemonFC	I used MSN/Windows Live Messenger, but not directly.
[06:41]	DaemonFC	As soon as you had an account, you could chat with people using aMSN or Pidgin or something.
[06:41]	DaemonFC	The MSNP protocol was not that complicated. Each revision was reverse engineered pretty fast.
[06:42]	DaemonFC	Plus, it didn't have to be done right away because they left the old versions alone for a while to give their own users time to upgrade.
[06:42]	britney	back in the day I used MSN/AIM/ICQ on Pidgin
[06:42]	DaemonFC	Yeah, among other things it saved a lot of RAM.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	YIM was too fun to pass up though.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	It had so many bugs in it that between booters and YTunnelPro (I cracked it), I was basically in GOD MODE on YIM.
[06:43]	britney	i saw too many penises in yahoo chat
[06:44]	DaemonFC	YTunnelPro set up a local proxy for YIM and it was also a giant monkey patch.
[06:45]	DaemonFC	So it added things like stopping other people from booting you, anti-SPAM puzzles before anyone could message you, blocking the advertisements in the client and video windows, etc.
[06:45]	DaemonFC	Then I could boot other people off the network and just ddos the crap out of them.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	So I could boot spammers, people I suspected of being cops, perverts, etc. out of Indiana M4M.
[06:47]	DaemonFC	YIM didn't let the other person decide if you could have them on your buddy list.
[06:47]	DaemonFC	You could add them just to see if they went offline as soon as you hit "boot".
[06:47]	DaemonFC	Sit there and toy with them. From their perspective, it just looked like the program kept crashing for no reason.
[06:56]	DaemonFC	Anyway, Garrett.....
[06:57]	DaemonFC	He should be sent to /dev/null permanently for Drama Bombing.
[06:57]	DaemonFC	He has not one, but two blogs you can't even read with Free Software.
[06:57]	DaemonFC	Not that you really want to.
[06:58]	mjg59_	bagira: I'm not sure why you keep deadnaming my partner
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[07:07]	DaemonFC	"deadnaming" LOL
[07:07]	DaemonFC	I knew it.
[07:08]	DaemonFC	And here's another drama bomb.
[07:09]	bagira	he knows exactly why it keeps coming up
[07:09]	bagira	these topics that keep coming up are all one issue
[07:10]	bagira	DaemonFC: lol you're right though, he's got kind of a fly-back-and-reload thing going on
[07:11]	TR News	Dell XPS 13 Plus is the first laptop certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34413
[07:11]	TR Bot	 Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
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[07:12]	TR News	The very idea that the EPOs management will try to open the floodgates to European software patents isnt surprising; Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos have never valued patent compliance or quality; now we have concrete evidence of a coordinated effort to open/widen these floodgates http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/video-swpats-epo-leaks/
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[07:12]	TR Bot	 What the Latest EPO Leaks Teach Us About the Managements Plans for Software Patents in Europe | Techrights
[07:12]	bagira	oh i took his question as "name dropping", i didn't realize there was a new way of being offended invented
[07:13]	bagira	"deadnaming" is apparently "the act of referring to a transgender or non-binary person by a name they used prior to transitioning, such as their birth name.[1] Deadnaming may be accidental, or an intentional attempt to deny, mock or invalidate a person's gender identity."
[07:13]	TR News	Does Arch Linux Really Need A Guided Installer - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=l-YmnnYT0Is | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/l-YmnnYT0Is
[07:13]	TR Bot	 Does Arch Linux Really Need A Guided Installer - Invidious
[07:13]	britney	bagira, yeah and mjg59_ has a valid complaint
[07:13]	britney	deadnaming is bad
[07:13]	bagira	who's being deadnamed?  im not tracking yet
[07:14]	britney	<mjg59_> bagira: I'm not sure why you keep deadnaming my partner
[07:14]	britney	mjg59_'s partner
[07:15]	TR News	It is NOT a "Linux command", it's Microsoft systemd https://linuxhint.com/sysctl-linux-command/
[07:15]	TR Bot	 Sysctl Linux Command
[07:15]	britney	i dont know who that is though
[07:15]	DaemonFC	Arch could probably use an easier installer option.
[07:15]	DaemonFC	I'm just too lazy to go through complicated installers these days when that's just not necessary anymore.
[07:15]	DaemonFC	I know HOW to, I just don't CARE to.
[07:15]	britney	DaemonFC, you can use archinstall
[07:16]	DaemonFC	With all of the distributions out there that I can just hit next next, Chicago, next, reboot....
[07:16]	britney	I installed arch linux using archinstall
[07:16]	DaemonFC	Why should I give a shit about something that's going to take up an entire day and make me read manuals?
[07:16]	bagira	defendent in the todd case we're reviewing is "sarah reichwein" with "isis agora lovecruft" listed as an alias, not a legal name
[07:17]	bagira	*defendant
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[07:18]	DaemonFC	Richard Stallman only makes a good point every now and then when it comes to anything not related to software.
[07:18]	TR News	"Third city to host free software related scientific research program for high school students" https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/jul/21/icr-austin/
[07:18]	TR Bot	 The Institute for Computing in Research announces 6 students to inaugural Austin cohort - Software Freedom Conservancy
[07:18]	DaemonFC	His reason to not vote for the Republicans if you're a conservative who is not insane, is you'll like living in a theocracy even less than you like Joe Biden.
[07:18]	psydruid	glhwein and witchcraft
[07:19]	DaemonFC	The Democrats aren't doing this state any favors.
[07:19]	TR News	Linux Distro Reviews: Desktop Environment Toolkits Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167519
[07:19]	DaemonFC	Their two planks economically seem to be run all of the jobs out and then tax the shit out of everyone else so they'll flee into the surrounding states.
[07:20]	TR Bot	 Linux Distro Reviews: Desktop Environment Toolkits | Tux Machines
[07:20]	DaemonFC	The Democrats seem to want a base that is too small to win national power.
[07:20]	DaemonFC	And they'll get it.
[07:21]	DaemonFC	By driving out the conservative wing of the party, those blue collar workers who would hand them swing districts.
[07:22]	DaemonFC	Stallman seems to be on the right track with Biden. He posted an Onion article the other day that made me laugh.
[07:22]	DaemonFC	"With cratering approval ratings, Biden might have to do something popular."
[07:24]	bagira	https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.1.0.pdf
[07:24]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167520
[07:24]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[07:25]	bagira	in that filing it is stated that the defendant's name is Sarah Michelle Reichwein" and that they go by a fictitious name "Isis Agora Lovecruft", can you clarify mjg59_ -- if that is the legal name I can update
[07:26]	DaemonFC	I don't go on Twitter.
[07:26]	DaemonFC	Only advertisers, politicians, and other cretins have Twitter.
[07:26]	DaemonFC	It's a waste of my time.
[07:27]	DaemonFC	I tried to tell Roy it was a waste of his time.
[07:27]	DaemonFC	Eventually they forced him out via automated moderation that he couldn't appeal.
[07:27]	DaemonFC	Like Facebook!
[07:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	no
[07:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's not why I left
[07:27]	britney	Facebook is trash but twitter is kinda cool
[07:27]	psydruid	most of my "interaction" with twitter is through a bot that queries it
[07:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	that was just a small factor
[07:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw
[07:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	turns out quora is also bots now
[07:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	No-Quora Week gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/ayaron/noquoraweek.txt Quora became spam
[07:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	use a gopher reade
[07:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	langrance can handle
[07:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	lagrange
[07:29]	TR News	Gnuastro 0.18 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167521
[07:29]	TR Bot	 Gnuastro 0.18 released | Tux Machines
[07:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	saying I left twitter due to the censorship is not correct
[07:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's maybe one among 5 reasons and not even the top reason
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	JS, manipulation, noise, lessened interaction, pushing and profiting off war etc.
[07:30]	bagira	court document from US District Court for the Northern District of California, a summons, listing "Sarah Michelle Reichwein" as legal and "Isis Agora Lovecruft" as an alias (that's what aka means): https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.340308/gov.uscourts.cand.340308.6.0.pdf
[07:30]	britney	schestowitz[TR2],  oooo, i had no idea that lagrange also supported gopher
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	and spartan etc.
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	titan
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	finger
[07:30]	DaemonFC	I noticed you said they were shadowbanning before the real ban came.
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	kristall does basic htm/s too
[07:31]	bagira	That doesn't sound like deadnaming, that sounds like an attempt to avoid socialization of information in proper context.
[07:32]		*psydruid deadnames the deadwood
[07:34]	bagira	Though I have to say, it is consistent with his theme.
[07:34]		*bagira lastlogs
[07:34]	britney	schestowitz[TR2], i tried kristall, not a fan
[07:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	if is good if you like qt
[07:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	lagrange is sdl2
[07:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	which sucks
[07:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	for cross plaftosm's sake
[07:35]	britney	i think qt sucks lol
[07:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	it cannot even hhandle or coexist with the compositor in kde
[07:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	so it turns it off
[07:35]	bagira	qt is almost as horrible as gtk
[07:36]	DaemonFC	I go by my middle name sometimes.
[07:36]	britney	i use gnome
[07:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: I'm daemon f**ing C
[07:36]	bagira	I grew up being caled Toph until I was in my mid-20s and employers refused to call me by it.
[07:36]	DaemonFC	LOL
[07:36]	bagira	pronounced like "t-awe-f"
[07:37]	bagira	signed my name as it and everything
[07:37]	DaemonFC	You should have told them they were ZOMGDEADNAMING you.
[07:37]	bagira	it was kind of a hard shift back to chris tbh
[07:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	activelow says he goes by "Aggi"
[07:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	I guess short for Ackermann
[07:37]	bagira	i had never used it
[07:37]	DaemonFC	And you'd personally have Matthew Garrett flown out there if they didn't stop it.
[07:37]	bagira	until i was like 26
[07:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	I don't think we can ever deradicalise that nazi sympathiser
[07:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	we can only try
[07:38]	DaemonFC	Garrett said he was punched in the face over Colombian airspace.
[07:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	there must be hundreds if not thousands of ryan farmers
[07:38]	DaemonFC	No explanation.
[07:38]	bagira	It's okay to do it to me -- I'm a cis white male.  We are not as much people.
[07:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	my surname is rare, so I don't have that issue
[07:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	also, most peoplr called roy are  dead or almost dead
[07:39]	DaemonFC	Actually, I have an explanation as to why someone punched Garrett on an airplane.
[07:39]	DaemonFC	Probably everyone who is in a room with him is tempted.
[07:39]	bagira	wasn't there a kids in the hall skit about this
[07:39]	DaemonFC	And one of them said, "Gee I'm in Colombian Airspace. Nobody here cares!" and fucking went for it.
[07:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: says uncle bill
[07:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	except 
[07:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	not"fgucking went for is
[07:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	but "went fucking for it"
[07:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	I have strong suspicion that he did things
[07:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	but good luck proving it
[07:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	they'd attack any witness claiming that
[07:41]	DaemonFC	It's a violent filthy country where anything can happen.
[07:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	besides, he could be masked, just a watcher, etc.
[07:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	in some court documents they identified them based on the shape of their penis
[07:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	so I assume they try to hide who they are
[07:41]	DaemonFC	Then again, so are the cities in the US.
[07:41]	bagira	i think he's going to keep a low profile for a while, maybe pop out the other end all twitchy and angry because he can't roam free with this kind of exposure
[07:41]	bagira	i mean
[07:41]	bagira	he can roam free
[07:42]	bagira	he just can't do his usual bullshit 
[07:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	In 2015 were were ion a flight next to a drunkard
[07:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	racist drunkard whom the staff kept bringing beers too... until he spilled some on us
[07:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	and almost got into a fight on the plane because he was racist to other passengers
[07:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	later I confronted the air crew
[07:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	over them bringing beer to an already arse-holish person
[07:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	and seating him next to us
[07:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	he kept talking shit, didn't know boundaries
[07:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	but mostly abuse other passengers
[07:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	turns out the airport staff barely want ed to let him go aboard
[07:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	once he was aboard they tried to make money... selling him lots of beers
[07:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	I only flew twice since then
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/09/29/easyjet-addicts-at-it-again/
[07:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	also see:
[07:45]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Getting Soaked in Beer at EasyJet flight When EasyJet Staff Foolishly Gives Plenty of Alcohol to Heroin Addict
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2014/06/12/easyjet-should-be-blacklisted/ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2014/05/25/avoid-easyjet/
[07:46]	TR Bot	Blog Archive EasyJet Turns Away People With Tickets
[07:46]	TR Bot	Blog Archive Avoid EasyJet
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2014/05/23/easyjet/ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2014/05/21/easyjet-sucks/
[07:46]	TR Bot	Blog Archive EasyJet Crashes Into Worst Airline Position
[07:46]	TR Bot	Blog Archive EasyJet Powered by Incompetence, Seemingly Requiring Passengers to Install Malware on Their Computers to Just Board a Flight
[07:46]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]racist drunkard whom the staff kept bringing beers too... until he spilled some on us
[07:46]	DaemonFC	AKA "Every flight ever."
[07:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://diasp.eu.com/tags/easyjet
[07:46]	TR Bot	 #easyjet
[07:46]	DaemonFC	Then people fart on you, recline on you, have their kids kick your seat.
[07:47]	DaemonFC	Then you get home and come down with the flu.
[07:47]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]once he was aboard they tried to make money... selling him lots of beers
[07:47]	DaemonFC	YES, because they charge you like $9 a beer or some crazy shit like that.
[07:47]	DaemonFC	And it just all goes on your credit card.
[07:48]	TR News	Industrial IoT anomaly detection on microcontrollers | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/22/industrial-iot-anomaly-detection-on-microcontrollers/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/22/industrial-iot-anomaly-detection-on-microcontrollers/
[07:48]	TR Bot	 Industrial IoT anomaly detection on microcontrollers | Arduino Blog
[07:48]	DaemonFC	The only time I drink anything on a plane is if it came with my flight, like a coffee, tea, orange juice, or can of soda.
[07:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: he bought life 4 beers in one go
[07:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	see my post form 2015, I cannot remember all the details anymore
[07:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	I made many mental notes
[07:48]	DaemonFC	Southwest gives you a can of soda and a couple bags of peanuts.
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[07:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	so my main complaint is that they made an already dodigy f*** very drunk
[07:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	I think when he spilled it on us they stopped serving him
[07:49]	DaemonFC	One time they brought me coffee, orange juice, and a complimentary breakfast because the flight was delayed.
[07:49]	matey	so my main complaint is that they made an already dodigy f*** very drunk
[07:49]	matey	i have no idea what its about but it sounds funny
[07:49]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2]so my main complaint is that they made an already dodigy f*** very drunk
[07:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2014/06/12/easyjet-should-be-blacklisted/ http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2014/05/25/avoid-easyjet/
[07:49]	matey	ohh yeah
[07:49]	DaemonFC	They can make thousands in one flight giving stupid assholes airplane bottles of liquor and beers.
[07:50]	DaemonFC	So I mean, they'll never stop.
[07:50]	matey	easyjet has almost as many happy customers as comcast
[07:50]	bagira	matey: you missed the last drama bomb, apparently calling someone by their legal name instead of their alias as listed in recent court docs is "deadnaming"
[07:50]	matey	they should merge
[07:50]	DaemonFC	What they do when they're drunk is your problem.
[07:50]	matey	thank you for flying comcast air
[07:50]	DaemonFC	And the cops will probably arrest you after he attacks you.
[07:50]	matey	if youd like to fly to cuba, press 1. if youd like to fly to the united arab emirates, press 2. if youd like to fly to north korea, press 3
[07:51]	bagira	matey: i think if youre flying to NK someone pushes the button for you against your will
[07:51]	DaemonFC	Comcast now makes you go through an entire automated tree that takes like 45 minutes.
[07:51]	matey	either that or youre one of the worlds most ambitious christian missionaries
[07:51]	DaemonFC	And only then are you allowed to speak to someone.
[07:51]	matey	 <bagira> matey: you missed the last drama bomb, apparently calling someone by their legal name instead of their alias as listed in recent court docs is "deadnaming"
[07:52]	TR News	Banana Pi BPI-W3 - An RK3588 SBC with dual Gigabit Ethernet, SATA, PCIe x4 slot - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/22/banana-pi-bpi-w3-an-rk3588-sbc-with-dual-gigabit-ethernet-pcie-x4-slot/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/22/banana-pi-bpi-w3-an-rk3588-sbc-with-dual-gigabit-ethernet-pcie-x4-slot/
[07:52]	TR Bot	 Banana Pi BPI-W3 - An RK3588 SBC with dual Gigabit Ethernet, SATA, PCIe x4 slot - CNX Software
[07:52]	DaemonFC	They're hoping that the Troubleshooter Filibuster will get rid of everyone who isn't having some major problem that needs a repair man.
[07:52]	matey	if youre in favour of trans rights thats a complex issue and as such, theres no answer that can be right
[07:52]	DaemonFC	And then they get call volume down and fire people.
[07:52]	matey	im in favour of trans rights, but im also against no-win situations
[07:52]	matey	so it really depends what people are demanding here
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[07:53]	bagira	well sure, but when we're talking about scandals, referring to a legal name is appropriate.  im not publishing a meet-and-greet invitation
[07:53]	TR News	Theengs open-source tools to decode BLE sensors work on ESP32, Raspberry Pi, Android phone, etc... - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/22/theengs-open-source-tools-to-decode-ble-sensors-work-on-esp32-raspberry-pi-android-phone/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/22/theengs-open-source-tools-to-decode-ble-sensors-work-on-esp32-raspberry-pi-android-ph
[07:53]	TR Bot	 Theengs open-source tools to decode BLE sensors work on ESP32, Raspberry Pi, Android phone, etc... - CNX Software
[07:53]	bagira	if someone uses a nickname use it in social situations, it's rude not to
[07:53]	matey	whose legal name did you refer to?
[07:53]	matey	a hint will do if youd rather not say
[07:53]	DaemonFC	I don't care about transgender people, but I wish that they'd stop having this victimhood mentality to the point where they're ready to scream at you all the time when you didn't actually do anything.
[07:54]	matey	alternatively, what was the situation. im trying to see some specifics before i make a blanket statement
[07:54]	bagira	matey: apparently Sarah Reichwein is legal and Isis Lovecruft is an alias
[07:54]	DaemonFC	RMS was a victim of some trans women making unfounded accusations about transphobia.
[07:54]	bagira	matey: garrett's fiance was an accuser in the appelbaum fiasco
[07:55]	DaemonFC	I think after he was the one that told the FSF to go ahead and hire them.
[07:55]	matey	journalism is a right too... its complicated now
[07:55]	DaemonFC	I hope Appelbaum could do better than anything in Garrett's orbit.
[07:55]	matey	matey: garrett's fiance was an accuser in the appelbaum fiasco <- this is what i was referring to other day when i didnt mention it
[07:55]	bagira	i feel like the alias is used to divert social problems away from legal name in various search engines and yadda yadda
[07:56]	matey	hes said openly that she was a victim
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[07:56]	TR Bot	Perl Advent Calendar 2022 Call for Papers Is Now Open - olafalders.com
[07:56]	matey	as for people who consider their old name deadnaming even though they chose a female name to replace their dead name...
[07:56]		*Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).
[07:56]	bagira	idk man
[07:56]	DaemonFC	I go by various names on "real name" social networks.
[07:56]	bagira	none of my business
[07:56]	matey	i dated someone who legally changed her name from the original because she hated her parents
[07:56]		*Now talking on #techrights
[07:56]	bagira	i think the legal name is appropriate for this kind of thing
[07:56]	matey	in a social situation, it would be incredibly rude to call her a name she hasnt used in years
[07:57]	matey	in court documents... i mean she legally changed it so she can use the new one
[07:57]	bagira	i am not getting an indicator that she has
[07:57]	matey	<bagira> i think the legal name is appropriate for this kind of thing <- i think it probably depends on the situation
[07:57]	matey	but what do i know
[07:57]	bagira	she is listed as "Sarah Michelle Reichwein aka Isis Agora Lovecruft" 
[07:57]	matey	oh god no wonder she changed it
[07:57]	matey	her deadname is PRACTICALLY buffy the vampire slayer
[07:58]	psydruid	lol
[07:58]	bagira	i dont think its a dead name if its her current legal name
[07:58]	mjg59_	bagira: Man it's cool that you've admitted to not reading the entire case
[07:58]	matey	Isis Agora Lovecruft <- god must hate me
[07:58]	bagira	that would make isis lovecruft a nickname wouldn't it?
[07:58]	mjg59_	But also please stop misgendering my partner
[07:58]	matey	look at these straightlines im being taunted with
[07:58]	matey	 Isis Agora Lovecruft <- so two of her names are company
[07:59]	matey	but three is a crowd
[07:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 7.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[07:59]	bagira	mjg59_: man dont give me that "misgendering" bullshit, I have made no statements about this person's gender
[07:59]	matey	agoraphobia = fear of crowds
[07:59]	bagira	mjg59_: your bullshit is just continuously backfiring on you
[07:59]	mjg59_	bagira: You keep using inappropriate pronouns
[07:59]	mjg59_	I mean
[07:59]	bagira	its like you have a yard filled with rakes and you're just stepping on every one of them with abandon
[07:59]	mjg59_	This is literally explained in the case you're referencing
[07:59]	mjg59_	Which demonstrates you haven't read it all
● Jul 22
[08:00]	DaemonFC	Some banks will put tranny names on credit cards and say they don't care if it's your legal name. That must make it fun if someone asks you for your ID.
[08:00]	bagira	oh for sure ive only skimmed through the docs at this point
[08:00]	matey	mjg: i only read this once, but its "they" isnt it
[08:00]	mjg59_	matey: Yup
[08:00]	matey	im fine with that
[08:00]	DaemonFC	"What's the matter? Store wouldn't accept your STOLEN credit card!?"
[08:00]	DaemonFC	Oddly from a guy who played a transvestite in another movie.
[08:00]	matey	i got thrown by the name for a minute
[08:01]	mjg59_	When you file a case, the court assumes that you put the right name on there
[08:01]	matey	/me wishes we would scrap gendered pronouns altogether and make life that much easier
[08:01]	matey	im not against gender, but there are other ways to express it besides "he/she/they" anyway
[08:02]	matey	stallmans says its ambiguous. he also gave a talk somewhere that "tomorrow" and "yesterday" are the same word
[08:02]	bagira	isis and agora are both typically feminine names, so, i mean, we can do a "they", but sarah to isis does not imply a gender change, and given that it's none of my business what's going on in some stranger's pants i shouldn't be expected to precog their pronouns until im told
[08:02]	matey	language isnt perfect, but it could at least be easier
[08:02]	matey	i shouldn't be expected to precog <- you arent expected to
[08:02]	matey	even "its maam!" thinks a correction is fair 
[08:03]	bagira	oddly enough, "they" screws up the english language in scenario descriptions involving multiple people like nothing else
[08:03]	mjg59_	Man if only you'd read the things you were making claims about before doing so
[08:04]	DaemonFC	The problem is people like Garrett don't care about facts.
[08:04]	mjg59_	Because you've just made it very clear you haven't
[08:04]	bagira	i have made no claims not based on what ive read
[08:04]	DaemonFC	The left wants to destroy reality and gaslight us into their own version.
[08:04]	bagira	you're just not the victim you want to be
[08:04]	matey	 <mjg59_> Man if only you'd read the things you were making claims about before doing so <- gendered but still as vague as they, as it could be directed at one of two males
[08:04]	bagira	angry? yes.  mistreated?  yes.
[08:04]	bagira	woops.  i mean no.
[08:05]	bagira	yeah they is a gender neutral descriptor
[08:05]	TR News	Ohio school teacher resigns and takes a job at Walmart because it pays better. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/21/ohio-school-teacher-resigns-and-takes-a-job-at-walmart-because-it-pays-better/ Source: baronhk | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/21/ohio-school-teacher-resigns-and-takes-a-job-at-walmart-because-it-pays-better/
[08:05]	TR Bot	 Ohio school teacher resigns and takes a job at Walmart because it pays better. BaronHK's Rants
[08:05]	DaemonFC	So is "it".
[08:05]	matey	which is what makes it indispensible when you dont know someones gender
[08:05]	mjg59_	bagira: You don't have a document that makes assertions about facts related to the case you're discussing?
[08:06]	bagira	mjg59_: eh?  sorry what bs are you on about?  im barely paying attention to you.
[08:06]		*bagira busts out the buffalo trace private label
[08:06]	mjg59_	Yeah you definitely never talk about me when I'm not here
[08:07]	bagira	can't beat a good single barrel select
[08:07]	matey	the two are not mutually exclusive
[08:07]	mjg59_	Oh you absolutely can
[08:07]	matey	/me is curious what mjgs favourite whiskey is, given where hes from
[08:07]	bagira	not outside of scotland you can't
[08:07]	matey	s/whiskey/alcohol of choice/
[08:07]	bagira	im not much of a bourbon person but i like this barrel because i bought it with friends
[08:07]		*mjg59_ wanders over to the bottle of Hibiki 21
[08:08]	bagira	these days its belvenie 17 doublewood
[08:08]	bagira	harder to find since they discontinued it
[08:08]	bagira	ive got a case of it im trying to make last through WWIII
[08:08]	mjg59_	matey: I was definitely a scotch person in the past, but I've warmed up to bourbon a lot since I got here
[08:08]	matey	/me had a very tasty stout today, which was a bit like a feather coming up, swinging at your face and missing you completely
[08:08]	mjg59_	And Irish whiskey is actually a lot closer to bourbon in profile, so that's nice
[08:09]	bagira	irish whiskey is for when someone dies and scottish whiskey isnt around
[08:09]	matey	funnily enough i never once got drunk until my 30s. and the bartender thought it was a hoot
[08:09]	matey	what if youre irish though?
[08:09]	matey	then it still has to be scottish?
[08:09]	bagira	matey: repent?
[08:09]	mjg59_	Depends whether you're from the north or the republic
[08:09]	TR News	OpenBSD current has moved to 7.2-beta https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220721122727 | Source: Undeadly
[08:09]	TR Bot	 -current has moved to 7.2-beta
[08:10]	mjg59_	There's the prod whiskey and the catholic whiskey
[08:10]	matey	you can drink both without a passport
[08:10]	mjg59_	Although these days there's a shitload more catholic whiskey
[08:10]	matey	you cant mix them obviously, thats how you start trouble
[08:10]	TR News	"When we designed gLinux Rodete (Rolling Debian Testing), we aimed at removing the two year upgrade cycle and instead spread out the load on the team throughout time." https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/developers-practitioners/how-google-got-to-rolling-linux-releases-for-desktops | Source: Google
[08:10]	TR Bot	 How Google got to rolling Linux releases for Desktops | Google Cloud Blog
[08:11]	mjg59_	Rodete is genuinely impressive as Debian derivatives go
[08:11]	matey	 you can drink both without a passpor <- this may be out of date now
[08:11]	TR News	[Old] Microsoft banned https://nextcloud.com/blog/data-protection-microsoft-365-banned-in-baden-wurttembergs-schools-suitable-alternatives-exist/ | Source: Next Cloud
[08:11]	TR Bot	protection: Microsoft 365 banned in Baden-Wrttemberg's schools. Suitable alternatives exist! - Nextcloud
[08:11]	matey	i havent checked since brexit
[08:11]	mjg59_	matey: Ireland and the UK are still part of a common travel area that predates the EU
[08:11]	bagira	we dont need distros based on distros
[08:11]	bagira	its an intellectual trap for linux
[08:11]	bagira	we need new distros cross-compiled from source
[08:11]	matey	<bagira> we dont need distros based on distros <- aww but those are the most fun
[08:12]	matey	and sometimes a distro really fucks up and needs fixed
[08:12]	mjg59_	Rodete is compiled from source
[08:12]	TR News	"To be fair: I do know quite a lot of users as well." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/07/21/i-dont-know-who-uses-my-code/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
[08:12]	TR Bot	dont know who uses my code | daniel.haxx.se
[08:12]	bagira	you're going to see a pipeline issue once the lfs guys start getting too old
[08:12]	bagira	needs to happen, like, now
[08:12]	matey	mjg already killed linux anyway
[08:12]	bagira	quite possibly
[08:13]	TR News	"Today on July 20 2022, curl turns exactly 8888 days old." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/07/20/curl-is-8888-days-old/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg
[08:13]	TR Bot	is 8888 days old | daniel.haxx.se
[08:13]	bagira	"but if i didn't build out the architecture to do it, it would have been worse where a community of hackers always find a way and always have found a way"
[08:13]	psydruid	we need linux distros that are securely booted off the map of time and history
[08:13]	matey	i wont pretend i miss it, though i am curious if it had a chance with tso
[08:13]	bagira	we'll never know
[08:14]	mjg59_	Hey "Guy who killed Linux" does sound like a pretty good epitaph
[08:14]	mjg59_	Eh Ted is knowledgeable in a small number of fields
[08:14]	bagira	though based on waht ive seen ts'o was far more qualified technically
[08:14]	matey	"Guy who killed Linux" only tells the conclusion though
[08:15]	matey	not the story
[08:15]	bagira	i view the whole saga as deceptive, deliberate, and malicious
[08:15]	matey	you could sum that up in just as few words
[08:15]	mjg59_	Well yeah we did just establish that you didn't read all the source material before forming opinions
[08:16]	bagira	you're right, because im not a fucking tool
[08:16]	DaemonFC	As far as I know, Garrett only added Security Theater Boot.
[08:16]	bagira	i interact with information
[08:16]	matey	personally im most inclined to believe the story about his fiancee, for many reasons
[08:16]	DaemonFC	Not important things, like file systems and device drivers.
[08:16]	bagira	i haven't analyzed it enough yet to decide one way or the other what i think 
[08:16]	matey	but it doesnt help that we can more or less prove that the tso thing and the stallman thing are bullshit
[08:16]	DaemonFC	You can deal with Security Theater Boot by turning it off in the firmware setup and then never worrying about it fucking up your system again.
[08:16]	bagira	DaemonFC: for now
[08:16]	matey	now, i just said that doesnt necessarily have any impact on the other one
[08:17]	DaemonFC	You don't get that deal with Garrett's recommendation of leaving it on.
[08:17]	matey	but its unfortunate
[08:17]		*psydruid wonders when the people who "fixed" GNU/Linux will set their sights on *BSD and other operating systems in order to "fix" them too
[08:17]	DaemonFC	Due to some alleged threat that he forgot to take "Windows Boot Manager" off of when he blogged about malware in the boot path.
[08:18]	DaemonFC	bagiraDaemonFC: for now
[08:18]	psydruid	> You can deal with Security Theater Boot by turning it off in the firmware setup and then never worrying about it fucking up your system again.
[08:18]	psydruid	Until OpenSUSE reenables it behind your back
[08:18]	matey	dont run openscruse
[08:18]	DaemonFC	By the time you can't just turn Security Theater Boot off, you also won't have the firmware allow anything but Windows to boot anyway.
[08:18]	psydruid	the ultimate scumbag's scumbag move
[08:19]	DaemonFC	So mjg59_ is a tool.
[08:19]	matey	it scruse with your system
[08:19]	bagira	linux really is in a sad state compared to like 2010-2012
[08:19]	DaemonFC	And his implementation of Security Theater Boot doesn't help us at all.
[08:19]	DaemonFC	The PC platform will need a replacement soon.
[08:19]	bagira	its every distro man lol
[08:19]	matey	linux kernel 1991-2010
[08:20]	DaemonFC	Microsoft is already trying to ruin everything else you can buy so there's no escape.
[08:20]	matey	by the time it got old enough to drink, everyone using it needs to 
[08:20]	psydruid	I want the PC platform to stay around for as long as possible
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[08:20]	matey	 I want the PC platform to stay around for as long as possible <- /:)
[08:20]	psydruid	because if they put all their energy into it, we can use something else without worrying about that getting "fixed" too
[08:21]	matey	oh, mmhmm
[08:21]	bagira	the only way to fix this is to build a whole new ecosystem and carefully filter corporate contributions
[08:21]	matey	unionisation is the long way there
[08:22]	matey	unionising?
[08:22]	psydruid	ionisation
[08:22]	matey	i think a lot of tech people wouldnt want their own stuff sabotaged, if they had any say in the company fucking workers/customers over
[08:22]	matey	of course some would
[08:22]	matey	so we are assuming a democratic nature of the unions
[08:22]	matey	which it can be at times
[08:23]	bagira	it onlyu takes a couple of them
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[08:23]	bagira	to bring the whole thing down
[08:23]	matey	its already down 
[08:23]	matey	they have no shields, their exhaust ports are open, as it were
[08:23]	matey	and theyve assumed the position
[08:23]	psydruid	corporations had control over computers because they were the only ones who could design, manufacture and sell them
[08:24]	matey	the problem that remains is the companies that have taken over are not down
[08:24]	psydruid	free hardware design has the potential to change all of that
[08:24]	matey	join us now and build the hardware
[08:24]	bagira	actually open source boards might seriously be a solution
[08:24]	matey	and send rms a crate of lightbulbs
[08:25]	matey	because he doesnt want to compile them
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[08:26]	psydruid	isn't there trisquel (or whatever he uses) for lightbulbs?
[08:26]	bagira	we're not going to get another rms
[08:26]	matey	nope
[08:26]	bagira	or a tarvolds
[08:26]	matey	oh, promise me there will never be another torvalds
[08:26]	matey	i wont believe you but it sounds nice enough
[08:27]	bagira	dennis ritchie died
[08:27]	matey	the pdp lives on
[08:27]	matey	part of ritchies genius was targeting the pdp
[08:27]	bagira	all the guys from bell labs that i know are too old now too
[08:27]	matey	im not trying to take away the mountain of due credit
[08:27]	bagira	its just not there anymore
[08:27]	bagira	to recreate
[08:28]	bagira	if i had tons of funding and time to go to school i might be able to pull something off, hire a few people
[08:28]	matey	there are enough people to keep unix alive if they want to
[08:28]	bagira	but it wont be anything like what where we come from
[08:28]	matey	the question is whether there are enough people to make stallmans promise a reality
[08:28]	matey	and by that i mean
[08:29]	matey	users having control of their computing
[08:29]	matey	cause trisquel is a joke
[08:29]	bagira	how is guix btw?  
[08:29]	matey	and duix is slander
[08:29]	matey	<bagira> how is guix btw? <- sadly it still exists
[08:29]	bagira	that bad huh?
[08:30]	matey	i dont know, the developers are scantly better than lennart
[08:30]	matey	if the only os left was duix, id use an abacus
[08:30]	bagira	imagine if we found someone as good at creating things as matthew garrett was at "inadvertently" destroying things
[08:30]	matey	theo de raadt is close enough
[08:31]	matey	hes just bound to say something rapey one of these days though
[08:31]	bagira	low eq?
[08:31]	matey	no, i mean hes important
[08:31]	bagira	oh a cast image
[08:31]	bagira	yeah
[08:31]	matey	also hes canadian but was born without the politeness gene
[08:32]	bagira	the tides are changing with that though i think
[08:32]	matey	hes the personality equivalent of a black albino
[08:32]	bagira	im actually slowly building the write up for archetype projection / typecasting used in those circles if i can ever get the time to compile it in my head
[08:33]	matey	jung came up with 16 archetypes because he never saw the internet
[08:33]	bagira	"cookie cutter narratives"
[08:33]	bagira	mjg59_ is a great source of material because it's literally his entire personality
[08:34]	TR News	"Regarding computer programs (source code and object code) the policy refers to the European Union Public Licence (EUPL, Swedish version) and refers to the Joinup Licensing Assistant (JLA) for providing information about the open source licences content and compatibility." https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/eupl/news/sweden-refers-eupl-and-jla | Source: Joinup
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[08:34]	TR News	Banana Pi BPI-W3 - An RK3588 SBC with dual Gigabit Ethernet, SATA, PCIe x4 slot Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167522
[08:35]	TR Bot	 Banana Pi BPI-W3 - An RK3588 SBC with dual Gigabit Ethernet, SATA, PCIe x4 slot | Tux Machines
[08:35]	bagira	the goal isnt to put one man in his place.  it's to build a knowledge base up that makes men like him impotent to their aims so that these events can never take place again.
[08:35]	bagira	an entire subculture was propped up on group defamation
[08:35]	bagira	and im going to put a monkey wrench in that engine eventually
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[08:36]	bagira	people will say what they want about it, truth's not a popularity contest
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[08:38]	TR News	Theengs open-source tools to decode BLE sensors work on ESP32, Raspberry Pi, Android phone, etc Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167523
[08:38]	TR News	Mlodie - no frills music player Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167524
[08:38]	TR Bot	 Theengs open-source tools to decode BLE sensors work on ESP32, Raspberry Pi, Android phone, etc | Tux Machines
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[08:38]	matey	mjg is a projection of those beings into our universe
[08:38]	TR Bot	 Mlodie - no frills music player | Tux Machines
[08:38]	matey	like the mice
[08:39]	TR News	[Old] "This page is a compilation of common mistakes made by bash users." https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls |
[08:39]	TR Bot	 BashPitfalls - Greg's Wiki
[08:39]		*schestowitz[TR2] did not know mr. security expert was a drunkard who gets punched on the plane while seeking professional mental help
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[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I'd rather talk tech here
[08:39]	bagira	say what now about other universes?
[08:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	 a lot of the stuff here is motyl off-putting off-topic
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[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	and brings here confrontation that does not help techrights
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	then the channel ends up being about sex
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	we used to joke it becomes "Sexrights"
[08:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	and we have many tech issues left to tackle
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	regarding sex
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	it can be on-topic
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	e.g. period tracking apps
[08:41]	bagira	are you sippin bro
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"smart" sex toys
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	but this problem is not limited to sex
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	bagira: you only came to this network to fight someone
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	we also fight
[08:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	but we fight on irssues
[08:42]	matey	meh
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	or orgs, like EPO
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	the bigger pictuire
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	not who sleeps with who
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	when "aggi" activelow started spewing out political BS he branched off to #techpol
[08:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	to keep that off this channel
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	when someone called "balzac" brought up sexual things in 2009 (IIRC) we created #boycottnovell-social
[08:43]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> not who sleeps with who <- unless its alex gravely
[08:43]	bagira	which channel do we share private messages in without consent of the other party?
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	#techbytes was for the podcast originally, but we don't record as much (last episode 1+ years agof
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: it's not about sleeping
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's about assaulting women
[08:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	suffocation
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	not just one woman
[08:44]	matey	i agree theres a distinction
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a sick, dangerous man
[08:44]	matey	but theres also overlap
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it seems to have led to the downfall of his friends at Microsoft
[08:44]	TR News	"Except it didnt take a few months and $15k. It took eight months, $46k, and a lot of headache." https://mtlynch.io/tinypilot-redesign/ | Source: Michael Lynch
[08:44]	TR Bot	Regret my $46k Website Redesign mtlynch.io
[08:44]	matey	what? theyre a rape cult
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	worse
[08:44]	matey	like stallman isnt, except theres dozens of them
[08:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	he seems a bit pedo too
[08:45]	bagira	stallman isnt a pedo
[08:45]	matey	no, hes being ambiguous
[08:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	<xxx> He wanted to get his nails done by "tiny asian women"
[08:45]	bagira	he just doesn't have any sense of social danger
[08:45]	matey	he means gravely
[08:45]	bagira	oh
[08:45]	matey	lots of people get their nails done by tiny asian women
[08:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	> He wanted to get his nails done by "tiny asian women"
[08:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2021/12/27/lust-to-the-graveley/
[08:46]	TR Bot	 Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XII Life of Disorderly Conduct and Lust | Techrights
[08:46]	matey	you must mean little asian girls
[08:47]	bagira	this BT barrell tastest just like cherry syrup.  i will miss it when the last bottle is gone.
[08:47]	TR News	"instructions for unsafe abortion methods" https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/21/23273200/youtube-alternative-abortion-medical-misinformation-policy-crackdown | Source: The Verge
[08:47]	TR Bot	 YouTube says it will remove unsafe DIY abortion guides - The Verge
[08:48]	bagira	i love how theyre all like "ITS THE LAW" until it disagrees with their utopian vision 
[08:48]	matey	stalinists are hypocrites by nature
[08:49]	bagira	means it was never about the law but appearance of legality
[08:49]	matey	though im not sure what the context is :)
[08:49]	bagira	mjg59_: you know anything about that?
[08:49]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO: "This indiscriminate nature is compounded by the fact cyber-attacks are generally difficult to contain." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/ransomware-is-indiscriminatory-prepare-for-everything-to-fail/93041674 | Source: India Times
[08:49]	TR Bot	 Ransomware is indiscriminatory prepare for everything to fail, CIO News, ET CIO
[08:49]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO: "the risk to businesses from the likes of ransomware" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/cyberthreats-impacting-australian-and-new-zealand-businesses-fortinet.html | Source: IT Wire
[08:49]	TR Bot	- Cyberthreats impacting Australian and New Zealand businesses: Fortinet
[08:50]	TR News	Microsoft Windows TCO: "A notable example includes BlackCat and Hive" https://itbrief.com.au/story/kaspersky-puts-spotlight-on-malicious-ransomware-group-luna |
[08:50]	TR Bot	 Kaspersky puts spotlight on malicious ransomware group Luna
[08:50]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Thursday, July 21, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/irc-log-210722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/irc-log-210722/
[08:50]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Thursday, July 21, 2022 | Techrights
[08:50]	bagira	dude why is anyone in the west listening to kaspersky right now
[08:51]	bagira	gotta read the lay of the land
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[08:53]	TR News	"According to a research by Consumer Reports in 2021, some of the popular mental health apps were sharing data with Meta and other companies" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/enterprise-services-and-applications/using-mental-wellbeing-apps-beware-of-safety-and-data-breaches/93040834 | Source: India Times
[08:53]	TR Bot	 mental wellbeing apps: Using mental wellbeing apps? Beware of safety and data breaches!, CIO News, ET CIO
[08:53]	TR News	"Amazons latest acquisition in the health care industry." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/business/amazon-one-medical-deal.html | Source: New York Times
[08:53]	TR Bot	 Amazon to Acquire One Medical Clinics in $39 Billion Deal - The New York Times
[08:54]	matey	when i think of kaspersky i think of the twit tv guy
[08:54]	TR News	Our medical files are becoming "products" :/
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: leo laporte?
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	kasperksy =russia
[08:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	laprte-=spanish/french/italian name
[08:55]	matey	yeah but i mean by category, not by ancestry
[08:56]	matey	ill take personal brands that peaked in the 90s, alex
[08:56]	matey	alex?
[08:56]	matey	aww. bye alex
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[09:00]	TR News	pseudocurrency https://websockets.readthedocs.io/en/stable/project/contributing.html#cryptocurrency-users |
[09:00]	TR Bot	 Contributing - websockets 10.3 documentation
[09:01]	TR News	"Customs has seized bitcoins in connection with investigations into offences related to narcotics and doping substances." https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21917-finnish-customs-sold-its-legally-forfeited-cryptocurrencies.html | Source: Helsinki Times
[09:01]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21917-finnish-customs-sold-its-legally-forfeited-cryptocurrencies.html )
[09:01]	psydroid2	leo kaspersky will hand your enemies the key
[09:01]	TR News	"So what have we learned here, friends? First of all, dont do illegal things." https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/21/23273103/crypto-coinbase-insider-trading-sdny-never-tweet | Source: The Verge
[09:01]	TR Bot	 Yes, crypto Twitter, the FBI is reading your tweets - The Verge
[09:01]	psydroid2	twit for twat
[09:02]	bagira	https://youtu.be/82TxNejKsng
[09:02]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=82TxNejKsng
[09:02]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Recreating Dennis Ritchie's PhD Thesis - Computerphile - Invidious
[09:02]	TR News	Who can fix it? gemini://idiomdrottning.org/who-can-fix-it "As far as fault go, I keep falling into the mind trap of conflating who caused it with who can fix it. Ultimately what matters is who can fix it."
[09:03]	TR News	<li><h5><a href="gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/60">Moving Drama</a></h5>
[09:03]	TR News	"We got all of the heavy items moved. I absolutely love the place we're moving to. It's a beautiful area, the apartment is nicer than our current place, and the rent is 25% cheaper" gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/60
[09:04]	matey	dennis ritchie or ken thompson even wrote a basic interpreter for unix
[09:04]	matey	i think thats funny
[09:05]	matey	thats like hawking being the host of "bill nye the science guy" except then it wouldnt be called that
[09:05]	TR News	"It was an introduction for many fans to Ticketmasters dynamic pricing program" https://variety.com/2022/music/news/bruce-springteen-ticketmaster-ticket-prices-rise-thousands-dynamic-pricing-1235321657/ | Source: Variety
[09:05]	TR Bot	Springsteen Fans Furious as Ticketmaster Tix Go as High as $4-5K - Variety
[09:05]	TR News	Too late. Too toxic, too. https://www.pcworld.com/article/816938/rejoice-facebook-is-organizing-posts-by-time-again.html | Source: PC World
[09:05]	TR Bot	Facebook is organizing posts by time again | PCWorld
[09:06]	matey	/me imagines davinci doing a show like bob ross
[09:06]	TR News	Twitter is oligarchs' propaganda machine https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/07/22/uyjn-j22.html | Source: WSWS
[09:06]	TR Bot	 Twitter locks Socialist Equality Party (Australia) account over video defending Dr David Berger, Julian Assange and free speech - World Socialist Web Site
[09:06]	matey	"i like to make my smiles kind of weird. and the best thing about the proportions in the background is you can do whatever you want"
[09:06]	TR News	"After all, the huge number does not mean that there are almost 30 million potential victims." https://netzpolitik.org/2022/ncmec-figures-explained-how-the-spectre-of-millionfold-abuse-haunts-european-policy-makers/ | Source: Netzpolitik
[09:06]	TR Bot	 NCMEC figures explained: How the spectre of millionfold abuse haunts European policy-makers
[09:07]	matey	"its your painting, if you want to fill it with illuminati symbolism"
[09:07]	TR News	"the protection of speech and the promotion of the free flow of informationreflected American values." https://www.cfr.org/report/confronting-reality-in-cyberspace |
[09:07]	TR Bot	 Confronting Reality in Cyberspace Foreign Policy for a Fragmented Internet
[09:07]	matey	/me puts a happy little jesus in the middle of the table
[09:08]	bagira	lol @ illuminati
[09:08]	TR News	"Users of social media sites often dont know what algorithms are filtering the information they consume" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/07/americans-should-look-to-filtration-software-to-block-harmful-content-from-view-event-hears/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
[09:08]	TR Bot	 Americans Should Look to Filtration Software to Block Harmful Content from View, Event Hears : Broadband Breakfast
[09:08]	bagira	the bavarian illuminati died as quickly as they sprung up and never had much influence
[09:09]	matey	who invented bavarian creme donuts then
[09:10]	bagira	matey: they tried to infiltrate another fraternal organization and ended up failing at that too, and were completely neutered in the process
[09:10]	matey	and were completely neutered in the process <- given the time period i suspect you could mean physically
[09:10]	bagira	no metaphorically
[09:10]	TR News	WWW killing journalism further. "Since the frenzy of Big Media consolidation that rocked the 1980s..." https://www.thenation.com/article/society/local-news-norman-lear/ | Source: The Nation
[09:10]	TR Bot	 Save Local News. Our Democracy Depends On It. | The Nation
[09:10]	bagira	it backfired on them
[09:10]	TR News	News deserts in the age of WWW https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/19/save-local-news-democracy/ | Source: The Washington Post
[09:11]	matey	but its way more fun if they control our minds with taylor swift videos
[09:11]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Save local news. Our democracy depends on it - The Washington Post
[09:11]	matey	and donuts
[09:11]	bagira	they literally died hundreds of years ago
[09:11]	matey	theyd have to develop reincarnation
[09:12]	bagira	Weishaupt was a joke
[09:12]	bagira	they tried to corrupt a place that builds literal civilization
[09:12]	matey	civilisation is at least a little corrupt already
[09:13]	bagira	thats because the builders aren't as involved
[09:13]	bagira	we dont take as many risks
[09:13]	TR News	"The era of the global [Internet] is over. Washington has worked closely over the last three decades with the private sector and allies to promote a vision of a global, open, secure, and interoperable [Internet]" https://www.cfr.org/report/confronting-reality-in-cyberspace/introduction |
[09:13]	TR Bot	 Introduction - Confronting Reality in Cyberspace Foreign Policy for a Fragmented Internet
[09:14]	matey	start with the gravitational constant of the universe
[09:14]	matey	assuming it exists
[09:14]	bagira	im not fully convinced that gravity exists
[09:14]	matey	whats the alternative?
[09:14]	bagira	the curving of space by mass
[09:15]	TR News	"Boost Apache Camel performance on Quarkus" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/choosing-right-camel-your-ride | Source: Red Hat Official
[09:15]	TR Bot	 Choosing the right Camel for your ride
[09:15]	matey	this isnt a flat earther thing is it
[09:15]	bagira	lol no
[09:15]	matey	just making sure
[09:15]	TR News	"This article suggests several traditional things to do after we finished the installation of Kubuntu 22.04 with KDE Plasma 5.24." https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2022/07/what-do-after-installing-kubuntu-2204-kde-plasma-524.html | Source: Ubuntubuzz
[09:15]	TR Bot	 What Do After Installing Kubuntu 22.04 and KDE Plasma 5.24
[09:16]	TR News	#HowTo Reset MySQL Root Password in Ubuntu and Fix Error 1045 (28000) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167525
[09:16]	TR Bot	 How to Reset MySQL Root Password in Ubuntu and Fix Error 1045 (28000) | Tux Machines
[09:16]	matey	because i swear one said theres no gravity or something, someone asked why the atmosphere clings to earth
[09:16]	matey	and they said "because gax expands to fill the space
[09:17]	matey	with such conviction
[09:17]	matey	from now on whenever i talk about flat earthers
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[09:17]	matey	im going to refer to them as the new illuminati
[09:17]	bagira	that sounds pretty dumb
[09:17]	matey	illuminewbies
[09:18]	matey	the curving of space by mass <- but um
[09:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	newnutties
[09:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	neonuts
[09:18]	matey	the thing that mass curves space with...
[09:19]	matey	isnt... gravity?
[09:20]	TR News	Some "success" story for "the system"... while the regime bails out BILLIONAIRES https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2016/05/24/for-first-time-in-modern-era-living-with-parents-edges-out-other-living-arrangements-for-18-to-34-year-olds/
[09:20]	TR Bot	 For First Time in Modern Era, Living With Parents Edges Out Other Living Arrangements for 18- to 34-Year-Olds | Pew Research Center
[09:20]	TR News	old: Home | European Citizens Initiative https://europa.eu/citizens-initiative/_en Source: europa | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//europa.eu/citizens-initiative/_en
[09:20]	TR Bot	 Home | European Citizens' Initiative
[09:20]	TR News	Lucky Ducky solves inflation | Boing Boing https://boingboing.net/2022/07/20/lucky-ducky-solves-inflation.html Source: boingboing | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boingboing.net/2022/07/20/lucky-ducky-solves-inflation.html
[09:20]	TR Bot	 Lucky Ducky solves inflation | Boing Boing
[09:21]	bagira	only one bottle left :(
[09:21]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WGN5xaQkFk0
[09:21]	TR News	old: "He went dancing, took driving lessons and traveled up and down the Japanese islands. But he found himself a stranger in a strange land, disillusioned with materialism and overwhelmed by changes." https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/18/world/asia/hiroo-onoda-imperial-japanese-army-officer-dies-at-91.html
[09:21]	TR Bot	 Bob Ross vs Pablo Picasso. Epic Rap Battles of History - Invidious
[09:21]	TR Bot	 Hiroo Onoda, Soldier Who Hid in Jungle for Decades, Dies at 91 - The New York Times
[09:21]	TR News	Hiroo Onoda, Japanese soldier who spent 29 years hiding in jungle after World War II, dies aged 91 - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-18/hiroo-onada-japanese-soldier-lubang-island/5206420 Source: abc | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-18/hiroo-onada-japanese-soldier-lubang-island/5206420
[09:21]	TR Bot	 Hiroo Onoda, Japanese soldier who spent 29 years hiding in jungle after World War II, dies aged 91 - ABC News
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[09:23]	TR News	Erdoan links soaring inflation to 2016 coup attempt https://www.duvarenglish.com/erdogan-links-soaring-inflation-to-2016-coup-attempt-news-61034 Source: duvarenglish | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.duvarenglish.com/erdogan-links-soaring-inflation-to-2016-coup-attempt-news-61034
[09:23]	TR Bot	 Erdoan links soaring inflation to 2016 coup attempt
[09:23]	bagira	lol wut
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[09:24]	TR News	New Internal Documents may Escalate Antitrust Case Against Google, Amazon - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/07/20/1439238 Source: soylentnews | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/07/20/1439238
[09:24]	TR Bot	 New Internal Documents may Escalate Antitrust Case Against Google, Amazon - SoylentNews
[09:24]	bagira	maybe if he spent less time trying to blame global inflation on a coup attempt 8 years ago and more time paying attention to his kids they wouldn't be wrapped up in international terrorism
[09:25]	TR News	BillBC: let's be hatin' on Russia and not mention crimes of our sponsor Bill Gates https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62252704 Source: bbc | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.com/news/business-62252704
[09:25]	TR Bot	'looting' steel bound for Europe and UK, says Metinvest boss - BBC News
[09:25]	matey	maybe if he spent less time trying to blame global inflation on a coup attempt 8 years ago and more time paying attention to his kids they wouldn't be wrapped up in international terrorism <- words to live by
[09:26]	bagira	*6
[09:26]	TR News	"OK6254-C Single Board Computer (SBC)" https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-introduces-ok6254-c-sbc-based-on-tis-sitara-am6254-processor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[09:26]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-introduces-ok6254-c-sbc-based-on-tis-sitara-am6254-processor/ )
[09:26]	TR News	"The ESP32-C3-DevKit-RUST-1 is a development board that features the RISC-V architecture through the single-core ESP32-C3" https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-esp32-c3-devkit-supports-rust/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[09:26]	matey	maybe if he spent less time trying to blame global inflation on a coup attempt 6 years ago and more time paying attention to his kids they wouldn't be wrapped up in international terrorism <- words to live by
[09:26]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-esp32-c3-devkit-supports-rust/ )
[09:27]	matey	apparently "come and get your love" by redbone is the most infectious song in history
[09:28]	matey	and i was sure when they said 70s song they were going to say ymca
[09:28]	TR News	Microsoft crimes OK, just not pseudocurrency? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/mojang-say-no-to-nfts-and-blockchain-with-minecraft/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:28]	TR Bot	say no to NFTs and blockchain with Minecraft | GamingOnLinux
[09:28]	TR News	"MangoHud is a great performance overlay for Linux" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/goverlay-for-configuring-the-mangohud-performance-overlay-new-release-out/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:28]	TR Bot	for configuring the MangoHud performance overlay new release out | GamingOnLinux
[09:29]	matey	/me likes that the navy used "in the navy" until they realised it was a gay anthem
[09:29]	matey	"wait wait wait no no no not what we meant"
[09:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[09:30]	TR News	Ex-Zodiac https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/ex-zodiac-is-a-fast-paced-3d-rail-shooter-inspired-by-the-likes-of-star-fox-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:30]	TR Bot	is a fast-paced 3D rail shooter inspired by the likes of Star Fox out now | GamingOnLinux
[09:30]	bagira	matey: https://youtu.be/eWhhoySpevw
[09:30]	TR Bot	https://invidious.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=eWhhoySpevw
[09:30]	TR Bot	inv.bp.projectsegfau.lt | Katz's Delicatessen - Jerry Lewis sings "Send A Salami" - Invidious
[09:31]	TR News	"This is a Native GNU/Linux game" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/get-the-railway-empire-complete-collection-in-this-new-bundle/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
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[09:31]	TR Bot	the Railway Empire Complete Collection in this new bundle | GamingOnLinux
[09:31]	matey	lol
[09:31]	matey	classic
[09:32]	TR News	"NVIDIA has released a fresh upgrade to their special developer-focused Vulkan Beta Drivers with version 515.49.10" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/vulkan-beta-driver-5154910-out-now-for-linux/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:32]	TR Bot	Beta Driver 515.49.10 out now for Linux | GamingOnLinux
[09:32]	matey	giving a submarine full of men nothing but beans seems like another thing that should violate the geneva convention
[09:33]	matey	not to mention strategic failure
[09:33]	TR News	"Then you notice that any event in your merge request (a new comment, a tag change) triggers the pipeline." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/conditional-tekton-pipelines-cel | Source: OpenSource.com
[09:33]	TR Bot	conditional pipelines with CEL | Opensource.com
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[09:34]	TR News	"Design Thinking has been providing a way to enhance problem solving within teams" https://opensource.com/article/22/7/design-thinking-engagement-movie-poster | Source: OpenSource.com
[09:34]	TR Bot	movie posters inspire engagement on our open source team | Opensource.com
[09:36]	bagira	lol while useful, most teams reject design thinking, thats nonsense
[09:36]	TR News	"Common Expression Language (CEL) is an expression language created by Google. It allows to define constraints that can be used to validate input data." https://flavio.castelli.me/2022/07/21/playing-with-common-expression-language/
[09:36]	TR Bot	 Playing with Common Expression Language
[09:37]	bagira	https://youtu.be/kLsU3BB6qVQ
[09:37]	TR Bot	https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=kLsU3BB6qVQ
[09:37]	TR News	"Like a 100x (not joking) improvement." This simply means somebody wrote very very very every shitty code before https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17674 maybe Sage Sharp at Intel? Whose shitty code upset Torvalds?
[09:37]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=kLsU3BB6qVQ )
[09:37]	TR Bot	 anv: allocate RT scratch in local memory (!17674) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[09:38]	bagira	ouch @ sage sharp dig.  that echoes man.
[09:39]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LENKIbKCZ_U
[09:39]	TR Bot	 Blow Me a Kiss - Martin and Lewis - Invidious
[09:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	code has feelings, too
[09:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	code does not have 6-figure salary
[09:41]	mjg59_	Huh if only git had some way to tell you who had written code
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[09:43]	mjg59_	Perhaps if we did that we could find out who wrote the code rather than casting baseless assertions
[09:43]	mjg59_	That's what someone who cared about the truth would do, right?
[09:45]	matey	code does not have 6-figure salary <- you wouldnt download a car!
[09:45]	matey	in soviet tesla, car downloads you
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	"it's not you, it's me"
[09:46]	matey	i wouldnt take a poo in a policemans helmet and then give it to his grieving widow
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	"it's not your skin colour, it's your code"
[09:46]	matey	lol
[09:46]	matey	you, but its funnier now
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[09:46]	matey	its not your code, its the way youre every kind of bigot we could list but not really
[09:47]	matey	just kidding diddy, you know i love you
[09:48]	TR News	"Roger (radky in the forum) has bumped JWMDesk, now version 3.5.4. EasyOS 4.2.7 has JWMDesk 3.5.2" https://bkhome.org/news/202207/jwmdesk-version-354.html
[09:48]	TR Bot	 JWMDesk version 3.5.4
[09:48]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=JwEu3Wb1hM4
[09:48]	TR Bot	 Eminem Disses Christmas (Killshot Remix) (PARODY) - Invidious
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's a support mechanism
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	a
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	cuddle club of sorts
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	coping mechanism
[09:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	"my work is great"
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	"it's just those bigots"
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	instead of improving the work
[09:49]	bagira	such victim much wow
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then using that outlet ti try to tear down those whose work was better
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	managers do this a lot
[09:49]	TR News	"Roger (radky in the forum) has bumped Pup-SysInfo to version 3.5..." https://bkhome.org/news/202207/pup-sysinfo-version-35.html
[09:49]	TR Bot	 Pup-SysInfo version 3.5
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	managers who NEVER code LOL
[09:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	"gavin, can you make it faster?"
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	says the manager who doesn't even know how code works
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw, what code did steve jobs write?
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	just wondering
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	I know he's a bit technical
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	but no wozniak
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	"make this ipod smaller"
[09:50]	schestowitz[TR2]	=GENIUS
[09:51]	bagira	jobs was a product manager
[09:51]	bagira	and nothing he did would translate to any other person in any other industry
[09:51]	bagira	that is the beginning and end of his skilsets
[09:51]	matey	nothing he did would translate to some users either
[09:52]	TR News	Not about Linux, just recycling and devaluing the brand https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/speak-one-summit-networking-event/
[09:52]	TR Bot	 Join us to Speak at the ONE networking event connecting Access, Edge, and Cloud in 2022 - Linux Foundation
[09:52]	matey	dont put a button on the door of the cd drive! 
[09:52]	matey	put it on the keyboard
[09:52]	bagira	roy is actually spot on there
[09:53]	bagira	instead of "how do i make better contributions" or "name isnt changed yet" it's "why are you deadnaming my fiance"
[09:53]	TR News	When Linux Foundation links its authors/staff to a page it's actually a Microsoft site and proprietary software; one might be led to thing LF is an offshoot of Microsoft
[09:53]	bagira	or "ted ts'o is a rape apologist"
[09:54]	bagira	it gets worse the more i read
[09:55]	matey	stallman is hitler and harvey weinstein rolled into one! hes an okay guy but it was time to move on
[09:55]	mjg59_	Oh man bad news that code was written by Jason Ekstrand in 2020 way after Sage had stopped working for Intel :(
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	<matey> dont put a button on the door of the cd drive! 
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	not on the door, which moves
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	or add a pause
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	making proprietary keyboards and crosss-component signal passing is bad too
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	but apple idiotcs don't mind buying overpriced compoinents
[09:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	and proiprietrary cd drives
[09:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	so..
[09:57]	matey	 or add a pause <- some pc cdrom drives had this
[09:57]	matey	play/pause buttons on the cd drive
[09:57]	matey	headphone jack
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	I had one
[09:58]	bagira	im down for the night.  i can barely see this screen anymore lol
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I meant pause between eject press and motion
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you have time to move the fingeer away
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	and maybe slow down the spin
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	if any spin
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	rotation
[09:58]	matey	/me puts a jogwheel on the cd drive
[09:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	with most cr-rom drives the button is near the door, not on it
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	I have some laptops with cd drives
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	some have the button on the door
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	but it adds a pause
[09:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	before unlocking
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[10:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	when cd drives had playback buttons on them I think that hbypassed the computer/cpu
[10:00]	matey	honestly, most of the drives ive used pause before opening even when the button isnt on the door
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	and just sent the signal straught to the jack
[10:00]	matey	but yeah its more important if youre pressing the door 
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	so that you can offload the processing to the drive
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the drives have spingers to bouce open the tray
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	now they don't do mecanics
[10:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	mechanics like springs
[10:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's all "Smart"
[10:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	even the SD cards
[10:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	they have this press in, press to unlock
[10:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	no springs
[10:01]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hCuMWrfXG4E
[10:01]	TR Bot	 Billy Joel - Uptown Girl (Official Video) - Invidious
[10:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	good microwaves still have springs
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	many other kitchen appliances
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	and clocks
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	that works well
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	same for oven timers
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	those can last decades
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	if they're fully digital they can have issues within years
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	and you cannot find replacement boards
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	so must buy a new one
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	mechanical = lasts longer, usually
[10:02]	matey	digital springs are impossible 
[10:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	(i.e. NOT good for SALES)
[10:02]	matey	springs are analog
[10:02]	matey	if its on or off, theres no spring action
[10:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	"no SPRINGD attached"
[10:03]	matey	its either sprung or unsprung
[10:03]	matey	but theres no springing
[10:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	fixing things with springs can be simpler
[10:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	with finer scredriver
[10:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	or you can do manual workarounds
[10:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	like tweezers
[10:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	with digital, you arer f'ed
[10:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	semiconductors don't age well
[10:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	not gracefully
[10:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	unless they are made of high fidelityy components
[10:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	which only "famous" brands do
[10:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then charge you like 5 times more
[10:04]	matey	theyre also terrible with trains
[10:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	trains have digital malfunctions now
[10:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	like doors that won't open
[10:04]	matey	casey jones was a semiconductor
[10:05]	matey	i suppose if you used to be train conductor 
[10:05]	matey	and then got a truck license
[10:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	soon we'll have m,any toilets that won\t' flush
[10:05]	matey	you could be a semiconductor
[10:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	need to mchange some circuitry
[10:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	not simle mehcnics
[10:05]	matey	soon we'll have m,any toilets that won\t' flush <- if hp made toilets
[10:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	like buoy and rods 
[10:06]	matey	it would refuse to flush if the tank was half empty
[10:06]	matey	then youd have to remove the tank, buy a new one and place it on top of the toilet
[10:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	they also do DRM on brands
[10:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	"inauthentic" component
[10:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	"welcome to your new toiletg experience, plase select wifi network"
[10:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	(don't choose the nieghbours'!!)
[10:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	*neigh
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	I reckon many "modern" toilets come with "apps" now
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	but did not check, lack the interest
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	liuterally "cApps"
[10:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	*crApps
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	write code for your own toilets?
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	no, it's "closed source"
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	any attempt to change it would be vilified as "elitist"
[10:11]	matey	but do they allow fart apps?
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	farpps?
[10:11]	matey	https://www.cultofmac.com/58570/apple-to-developers-we-dont-need-any-more-fart-apps/
[10:11]	TR Bot	 Apple to Developers: 'We Don't Need Any More Fart Apps' | Cult of Mac
[10:12]	psydroid2	Secure Boot pals at Intel are going to live in interesting times
[10:12]	matey	https://www.cnet.com/culture/buzz-out-loud-1304-apple-only-professional-fart-apps-allowed-podcast/
[10:12]	TR Bot	Out Loud 1304: Apple: Only professional fart apps allowed (podcast) - CNET
[10:12]	matey	a fart wearing a tie
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydroid2: this is not a dick-sucking competition
[10:12]	matey	not a bathrobe
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	an "old fart"
[10:12]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> psydroid2: this is not a dick-sucking competition <- what if it is and no one told us
[10:13]	matey	we would be dicksqualified
[10:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	guys,
[10:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	come on
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	if you want to d*oat Microsoft...
[10:14]	matey	zing
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	but anyway, he can't talk like this anymore
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	it can cost another month at the therapists
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	unnecessary "tratment"
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	microsdoft = pentagon contractor
[10:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	rejecting microsoft = kicing puppies
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	things not to do:
[10:15]	psydroid2	Intel is essentially blackmailing its partners now by threatening to increase prices later this year while having overstock because people aren't buying enough of their hardware
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	1) kick puppies
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	2) bash [sic] Microsoft
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/microsoft-crime-unpunished/
[10:15]	matey	BUY NOW or it will have even LESS APPEAL later!
[10:15]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Crime: A Week Later No Investigation Launched, No Microsoft Executives Prosecuted, Nobody Phoned the Police, Not Even a Slap on the Wrist | Techrights
[10:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	"STOP BASHING MEEEE!!!'
[10:16]	matey	next up: buy our chips now because the next ones will suck even more!
[10:16]	psydroid2	people do see through it all
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	if you bash them too much ballmer will hold you by both thighs while alex graveley suffocates you by the neck
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	then bill comes along
[10:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	"well, he's dead"
[10:17]	psydroid2	most people don't have nuclear facilities in their backyards to be able to run these processors
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	billG mocked OLPC
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	having a crank
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	for power
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	rich little momma's boy
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	never had to work to generate energy
[10:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	grew up with oligarchs
[10:20]	matey	ironically, paul allen spent a fuckload of a money on a computer with a crank on it
[10:20]	matey	of course it was designed by charles babbage
[10:20]	matey	but paul allen just had to have one
[10:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	well, he's dead
[10:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	did he get buries with the memorablia?
[10:21]	matey	no, hes just pulling our crank
[10:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	btw, he wanted a custom-made yacht to make it the longest ever
[10:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you know paul allen had a very short whatsitsname
[10:22]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ISAJq4_Fdq4
[10:22]	TR Bot	 Hugh Laurie - Too Long Johnny - Invidious
[10:22]	mjg59_	The crank was a terrible idea
[10:22]	mjg59_	Ergonomics just didn't work
[10:22]	mjg59_	They came up with a yo-yo charger thing that was a much better idea
[10:26]	matey	one windows per child
[10:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/wiki/OLPC
[10:26]	TR Bot	 OLPC - Techrights
[10:26]	psydroid2	restricted to booting windows
[10:27]	psydroid2	or you will be subjected to an unhealthy dose of pluton(ium)
[10:29]	matey	from the plutarchy
[10:30]	matey	the free software plutarchy
[10:30]	matey	users should control their computing
[10:30]	matey	some users should just control it more than others
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[10:39]	matey	jeffery epstein: OCPL
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	"epsteined" is a verb now
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	used a lot when Ivana Trump died this month
[10:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	or "to epstein someone"
[10:42]	techuser	what does it mean?
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	how he died
[10:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	aand why
[10:43]	TR News	Links 22/07/2022: Gnuastro 0.18, Vulkan Beta Driver 515.49.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/vulkan-beta-driver-515-49-10/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/vulkan-beta-driver-515-49-10/
[10:43]	TR Bot	 Links 22/07/2022: Gnuastro 0.18, Vulkan Beta Driver 515.49.1 | Techrights
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	did not ehlp with his friends and enablers gloated
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	"well, he's dead"
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	with relief
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	that already knew what he had done
[10:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	and likely participated cdirectly
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[10:44]	TR News	Proprietary Windows Problems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167526
[10:44]	TR Bot	 Proprietary Windows Problems | Tux Machines
[10:45]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167527
[10:45]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:45]	TR News	Sweden refers to EUPL and JLA Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167528
[10:45]	TR Bot	 Sweden refers to EUPL and JLA | Tux Machines
[10:45]	TR News	FSF, Linux Foundation, and Software Freedom Conservancy Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167529
[10:45]	TR Bot	 FSF, 'Linux' Foundation, and Software Freedom Conservancy | Tux Machines
[10:45]	TR News	RISC-V based ESP32-C3 DevKit and Arduino Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167530
[10:45]	TR Bot	 RISC-V based ESP32-C3 DevKit and Arduino | Tux Machines
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[10:46]	TR Bot	 How Google got to rolling Linux releases for Desktops | Tux Machines
[10:47]	TR News	EasyOS: Pup-SysInfo and JWMDesk Upgraded Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167532
[10:47]	TR Bot	 EasyOS: Pup-SysInfo and JWMDesk Upgraded | Tux Machines
[10:47]	TR News	Games: Ex-Zodiac, Railway Empire Complete Collection Bundle, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167533
[10:47]	TR Bot	 Games: Ex-Zodiac, Railway Empire Complete Collection Bundle, and More | Tux Machines
[10:48]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167534
[10:48]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[10:48]	TR News	Calling Putin Hitler to Smear Diplomacy https://fair.org/slider/calling-putin-hitler-to-smear-diplomacy-as-appeasement/ | Source: FAIR
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Calling Putin 'Hitler' to Smear Diplomacy as 'Appeasement' - FAIR
[10:50]	TR News	Oh, there's no doubt in my mind it would have been destroyed, Esqueda replied. https://thedissenter.org/facing-felony-trial-joliet-police-whistleblower-exposed-lurry-death-retires/
[10:50]	TR Bot	 Joliet Police Whistleblower Pushed Into Retirement
[10:51]	TR News	Russian journalists https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/21/the-w-orchestra-awaits-you | Source: Meduza
[10:51]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
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[11:04]	TR News	"The latest edition of YouTube's copyright transparency report reveals that the streaming platform processed almost 1.5 billion Content ID claims" https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-processed-nearly-1-5-billion-content-id-claims-in-2021-220721/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[11:04]	TR Bot	Processed Nearly 1.5 Billion Content-ID Claims in 2021 * TorrentFreak
[11:04]	TR News	"Meta has been hit with a copyright infringement lawsuit demanding at least $142 million in damages." https://torrentfreak.com/meta-hit-with-massive-piracy-lawsuit-over-epidemic-sound-royalty-free-music-220721/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[11:04]	TR Bot	Hit With Massive Piracy Lawsuit Over Epidemic Sound Royalty-Free Music * TorrentFreak
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[11:10]	TR Bot	 Paper Straws Are Not Enough. Only System Change Can Halt Climate Crisis, Says George Monbiot | Democracy Now!
[11:14]	TR News	Free Speech Panic https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/21/two-dogmas-of-the-free-speech-panic/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:14]	TR Bot	Dogmas Of The Free Speech Panic | Techdirt
[11:16]	TR News	The ploy of "streaming" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/21/canadian-government-really-wants-people-to-ignore-the-text-of-their-streaming-regulation-bill/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:16]	TR Bot	Government Really Wants People To Ignore The Text Of Its Streaming Regulation Bill | Techdirt
[11:17]	TR News	Fake security https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/21/fbi-successfully-forced-a-criminal-suspect-to-unlock-his-wickr-account-with-his-face/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:17]	TR Bot	Successfully Forced A Criminal Suspect To Unlock His Wickr Account With His Face | Techdirt
[11:19]	TR News	"Kepplers article typified the moral panic over fake news, or disinformation, which began during the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/did-lawmakers-finally-figure-out-that-critical-news-literacy-is-antidote-to-disinformation/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:19]	TR Bot	Lawmakers Finally Figure Out That Critical News Literacy is Antidote to Disinformation? - CounterPunch.org
[11:20]	TR News	Patents in action: "Big Pharma price gouger Martin Shkreli" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/medical-debt-is-a-rip-off/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:20]	TR Bot	Debt is a Rip Off - CounterPunch.org
[11:24]	TR News	Household Economics: Where's My $200K? https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/household-economics-wheres-my-200k/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:24]	TR Bot	Economics: Where's My $200K? - CounterPunch.org
[11:28]	TR News	"7.2 Million Olympic Swimming Pools" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/21/water-major-greenland-ice-melt-could-fill-72-million-olympic-swimming-pools | Source: Common Dreams
[11:28]	TR Bot	 Water From Major Greenland Ice Melt Could Fill 7.2 Million Olympic Swimming Pools
[11:28]	TR News	Nice butterflies https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/21/climate-crisis-pushes-migratory-monarch-butterflies-endangered-list | Source: Common Dreams
[11:28]	TR Bot	 Climate Crisis Pushes Migratory Monarch Butterflies Onto Endangered List
[11:29]	TR News	"EFF has already expressed its concerns about IT Rules chilling effect on Internet users freedom of expression and privacy" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/new-amendments-intermediary-rules-threaten-free-speech-india | Source: EFF http://techrights.org/2021/04/16/eff-rogue/
[11:29]	TR Bot	 New Amendments to Intermediary Rules threaten Free Speech in India | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[11:29]	TR Bot	 The EFF Attacks Software Freedom and Promotes Fake Privacy Linked to Microsoft | Techrights
[11:30]	TR News	Strike https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/21/harpercollins-workers-go-on-strike/ | Source: Scheerpost
[11:30]	TR Bot	Workers Go On Strike scheerpost.com
[11:30]	TR News	Ilhan Omar https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/21/ilhan-omars-meddling-in-horn-of-africa-earns-boos-at-somali-american-concert/ | Source: Scheerpost
[11:30]	TR Bot	Omars Meddling in Horn of Africa Earns Boos at Somali American Concert scheerpost.com
[11:33]	TR News	"broadband" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/21/fcc-boss-wants-to-define-broadband-as-100-mbps-but-may-not-have-the-votes/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:33]	TR Bot	Boss Wants To Define Broadband As 100 Mbps, But May Not Have The Votes | Techdirt
[11:35]	TR News	Scamcurrency https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/21/with-the-hype-bubble-burst-companies-try-comically-hard-to-distance-themselves-from-nfts/ | Source: Techdirt
[11:35]	TR Bot	The Hype Bubble Burst, Companies Try Comically Hard To Distance Themselves From NFTs | Techdirt
[11:38]	TR News	Microsoft ZDNet making excuses for Microsoft http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167490#comment-34414
[11:38]	TR Bot	 Proprietary Leftovers: Ransomware and Microsoft | Tux Machines
[11:39]	TR News	A recession https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/the-fed-should-not-allow-itself-to-get-bullied-into-bringing-on-a-recession/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:39]	TR Bot	Fed Should Not Allow Itself to Get Bullied into Bringing on a Recession - CounterPunch.org
[11:42]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167535
[11:42]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[11:42]	TR News	Join the LibreOffice Team as a Quality Assurance Analyst (m/f/d), 40h per week, remote https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/07/22/join-the-libreoffice-team-as-a-quality-assurance-analyst-m-f-d-40h-per-week-remote/
[11:43]	TR Bot	 Join the LibreOffice Team as a Quality Assurance Analyst (m/f/d), 40h per week, remote - The Document Foundation Blog
[11:43]	TR News	"U.S. Air Force thermonuclear weapons, about 100-to-150 of them known as B61s, are stationed at two NATO bases in Italy," https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/deterrencelessness-nuclear-threats-neither-credible-nor-viable/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:43]	TR Bot	Nuclear Threats Neither Credible Nor Viable - CounterPunch.org
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[13:02]	TR News	"The COVID-19 pandemic has added to all of this, with mass unemployment in 2020 and 2021 signaling capitalisms inability to handle a public health crisis." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/eviction-defense-in-brooklyn/ | Source: Counter Punch
[13:02]	TR Bot	Defense in Brooklyn - CounterPunch.org
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[13:04]	TR News	"a fundamental underlying problem is that there is no semantics of a link in HTML or gemtext so we cannot infer the type of relationship between any two pages. it's good to explore alternatives" gemini://station.martinrue.com/krixano/2b4bf627f4d847a4873d03beefec0e91
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[13:04]	TR News	"Fr. Thermos talked about premodern, modern, and postmodern thought, and what that means with regards to Christianity. I was surprised to see mention of The Spectacle in his talk." gemini://eph.smol.pub/1658477661
[13:07]	TR News	"U.S. state and federal investigators are being inundated with reports from people whove lost hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in connection with a complex investment scam" https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/07/massive-losses-define-epidemic-of-pig-butchering/ | Source: Krebs On Security
[13:07]	TR Bot	 Massive Losses Define Epidemic of Pig Butchering Krebs on Security
[13:07]	TR News	"Introducing children to computing concepts from a young age can help develop their interest and attachment to the subject." https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/introducing-our-new-course-pathway-for-educators-teaching-computing-to-5-to-11-year-olds/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[13:07]	TR Bot	 Computing Course Pathways - Teaching Computing To 5- To 11-Year-Olds
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[13:09]	TR News	Patent scam that kills. "The pharmaceutical industry is mobilizing its army of Capitol Hill lobbyists in a last-ditch bid" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/21/pharma-mobilizes-army-lobbyists-tank-democrats-medicare-drug-pricing-plan | Source: Common Dreams
[13:09]	TR Bot	 Pharma Mobilizes Army of Lobbyists to Tank Democrats' Medicare Drug Pricing Plan
[13:10]	TR News	X86 Code https://hackaday.com/2022/07/21/tiny-pinball-machine-also-runs-x86-code/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:10]	TR Bot	Pinball Machine Also Runs X86 Code | Hackaday
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[13:13]	TR Bot	 US Regulators Urged to Block Amazon's 'Terrifying' Purchase of One Medical
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[13:15]	TR Bot	A Modular Joystick For Star Citizen | Hackaday
[13:16]	TR News	"Its seems to have become accepted wisdom by many including policymakers that social media is dangerous for kids." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/21/blaming-social-media-for-suicide-is-taking-the-easy-and-likely-wrong-way-out/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:16]	TR Bot	Social Media For Suicide Is Taking The Easy, And Likely Wrong, Way Out | Techdirt
[13:17]	TR News	"our hands naturally wrap around the back of the phone, too." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/21/turning-the-back-of-your-phone-into-a-touchpad/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:17]	TR Bot	The Back Of Your Phone Into A Touchpad | Hackaday
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[13:20]	TR News	"Its hardly a secret thatupload filtersdont work well." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/21/facebook-is-so-sure-its-erroneous-blocking-of-music-is-right-theres-no-option-to-say-its-wrong/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:20]	TR Bot	Is So Sure Its Erroneous Blocking Of Music Is Right, Theres No Option To Say Its Wrong | Techdirt
[13:22]	TR News	"Hackers tend to enjoy binary watches" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/21/simple-binary-watch-uses-a-pcb-body/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:22]	TR Bot	Binary Watch Uses A PCB Body | Hackaday
[13:24]	XRevan86	bagira: "oddly enough, "they" screws up the english language in scenario descriptions involving multiple people like nothing else" <- Thou artn't wrong, but there's a nuance.
[13:24]	TR News	"if you decided to design an entire city in Blender" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/21/design-cities-in-a-snap-with-buildify/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:24]	TR Bot	Cities In A Snap With Buildify | Hackaday
[13:24]	TR News	Reverse Engineering https://hackaday.com/2022/07/21/reverse-engineering-a-phased-array-system-reveals-surprising-details/ | Source: Hackaday
[13:24]	TR Bot	Engineering A Phased Array System Reveals Surprising Details | Hackaday
[13:26]	TR News	Michael Larabel again failing to note this is part of Microsoft's ATTACK on Linux. Phoronix is hopeless. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-D3D12-Video-Effects
[13:26]	TR Bot	Extends Mesa's D3D12 Video Acceleration To Support Video Engine Based Effects - Phoronix
[13:27]	XRevan86	psydruid: "You can deal with Security Theater Boot by turning it off in the firmware setup and then never worrying about it fucking up your system again." "Until OpenSUSE reenables it behind your back" <- Is that a real thing that can possibly happen?
[13:27]	psydruid	It happened to me
[13:28]	psydruid	And then I wiped it
[13:29]	TR News	Fwupd 1.8.3 https://fwupd.org/
[13:29]	TR Bot	 LVFS: Home
[13:29]	XRevan86	psydruid: Can ye explain the mechanism?
[13:30]	TR News	"This is a weekly report from the CPE (Community Platform Engineering) Team. " https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-29-2022/
[13:30]	TR Bot	 CPE Weekly Update Week 29 2022 Fedora Community Blog
[13:31]	psydruid	I had Secure Boot disabled and somewhere in the installation procedure or during an update it re-enabled Secure Boot
[13:31]	TR News	GNU/Linux skills: 9 tutorials to get more from your text editor https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/text-editor-roundup-2022
[13:31]	TR Bot	 Linux skills: 9 tutorials to get more from your text editor | Enable Sysadmin
[13:32]	psydruid	you might want to ask SUSE developers for more information than I can provide
[13:33]	TR News	So-called "research [sic] by Cisco finds that 98 percent of all meetings post-COVID are expected to include at least one remote participant." Cisco trying to sell its crappy, proprietary, overpriced stuff. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/remote-work-tips-build-connections
[13:33]	TR Bot	 Hybrid work: 5 tips to help build connections | The Enterprisers Project
[13:34]	TR News	"Keep a watchful eye on culture and morale." Says Red Hat while lots of its staff is fleeing. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/leading-remote-it-teams
[13:34]	TR Bot	 4 tips for leading remote IT teams | The Enterprisers Project
[13:35]	TR News	Red Hat: will the last person to quit ICBM please take the hat off?
[13:36]	TR News	Review of marketing fluff? https://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/software/red-hat-openshift-review/
[13:36]	TR Bot	 Red Hat OpenShift Review | Enterprise Storage Forum
[13:36]	TR News	Are Big Mistakes That Big Of A Deal? https://www.redhat.com/en/compiler-podcast/big-mistakes-part-1
[13:36]	TR Bot	 Compiler: Are Big Mistakes That Big Of A Deal?
[13:37]	TR News	Cars use simpler systems without Microsoft systemd https://www.axios.com/local/raleigh/2022/07/13/red-hat-new-ceo-matt-hicks
[13:37]	TR Bot	Hat's new CEO Matt Hicks confident in future growth - Axios Raleigh
[13:40]	XRevan86	psydruid: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:UEFI#Secure_Boot Surprisingly detailed.
[13:40]	TR News	[PATCH v2 0/5] Add Toshiba Visconti DNN image processing accelerator driver https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220722082858.17880-1-yuji2.ishikawa@toshiba.co.jp/T/ Source: toshiba | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220722082858.17880-1-yuji2.ishikawa@toshiba.co.jp/T/
[13:40]	TR Bot	 openSUSE:UEFI - openSUSE Wiki
[13:40]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v2 0/5] Add Toshiba Visconti DNN image processing accelerator driver
[13:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	XRevan86: booting should not vbe detailed
[13:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	or complex
[13:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	just booting the f**er
[13:40]	XRevan86	psydruid: An installer should not even be able to enable anything.
[13:41]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Secure Boot support is inherently complex, and optional.
[13:41]	TR News	AMD ROCm 5.2.1 https://docs.amd.com/bundle/ROCm-Installation-Guide-v5.2.1/page/Overview_of_ROCm_Installation_Methods.html
[13:41]	TR Bot	 AMD Documentation - Portal
[13:41]	psydruid	XRevan86, that's why I was flabbergasted
[13:41]	XRevan86	My only hypothesis is that when the installer was checking if Secure Boot is there, the firmware that psydruid has saw that and decided "they want Secure Boot, let's enable it".
[13:42]	TR News	Openwashing marketing SPAM https://linuxfoundation.org/blockchain/bosch-leverages-open-source-model-teams-with-polycrypt-to-tackle-blockchain-for-the-economy-of-things/
[13:42]	TR Bot	 Bosch leverages open source model; teams with PolyCrypt to tackle blockchain for the Economy of Things - Linux Foundation
[13:42]	XRevan86	> To determine whether a machine has secure boot enabled in the firmware enter the following command as root in a Linux shell:
[13:42]	XRevan86	> od -An -t u1 /sys/firmware/efi/vars/SecureBoot-8be4df61-93ca-11d2-aa0d-00e098032b8c/data
[13:43]	XRevan86	psydruid: Will magical things happen if ye try this command?
[13:44]	psydruid	XRevan86, I don't know, I don't have that machine turned on right now
[13:45]	psydruid	I could try it
[13:45]	psydruid	at least on this one there is no /sys/firmware/efi/vars directory
[13:46]	psydruid	but there is /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/
[13:47]	XRevan86	Maybe the interface changed.
[13:47]	psydruid	6   0   0   0   0
[13:47]	XRevan86	I don't have UEFI, so I can't check.
[13:47]	psydruid	is what I got here
[13:47]	psydruid	I don't know what that means
[13:48]	XRevan86	psydruid: That differs from expected 1 or 0.
[13:48]	XRevan86	psydruid: By the way, what's the BIOS of the affected system?
[13:49]	psydruid	I'll try on the other laptop, an HP Zbook Studio G3, in a moment
[13:50]	psydruid	XRevan86, let me boot it up and I can tell you, it's their UEFI
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[13:54]	psydruid	it's the same on that laptop
[13:54]	psydruid	but there is no data file or anything
[13:54]	psydruid	it's just
[13:55]	psydruid	od -An -t u1 /sys/firmware/efi/efivars/SecureBoot-8be4df61-93ca-11d2-aa0d-00e098032b8c
[13:55]	psydruid	the contents of that
[13:56]	TR News	Red Hat / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167536
[13:56]	TR Bot	 Red Hat/ IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[14:02]	TR News	Buzzwords and Openwashing From Linux Foundation: Its Not About Linux, Not Even Open Source, Just Corporate Ads Made With Proprietary Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/lf-openwashing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/lf-openwashing/
[14:02]	TR Bot	 Buzzwords and Openwashing From Linux Foundation: Its Not About Linux, Not Even Open Source, Just Corporate Ads Made With Proprietary Software | Techrights
[14:08]	TR News	Links 22/07/2022: The Document Foundation (TDF) Hiring, Lots of General News | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/lots-of-general-news/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/lots-of-general-news/
[14:08]	TR Bot	 Links 22/07/2022: The Document Foundation (TDF) Hiring, Lots of General News | Techrights
[14:18]	TR News	SpellBinding: GHIYSUL Wordo: VANES gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/new.gmi
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[14:27]	spazz	hey. is there a way to make the nickserv's cert feature work?
[14:27]	spazz	couldn't figure out how to do it
[14:27]	spazz	i think the 'strict' enforce mode is interfering
[14:27]	spazz	which a user cannot change/disable 
[14:34]	TR News	Proprietary software is considered perfectly normal at the Linux Foundation; any references to Open Source tend to be casual, inaccurate, and Microsoft-centric; the official reports are made with proprietary software too http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/lf-openwashing/
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[15:13]	MinceR	22 111850 < schestowitz[TR2]> never had to work to generate energy
[15:13]	MinceR	never had to work
[15:13]	MinceR	like any successful sociopath
[15:14]	MinceR	22 105236 < matey> dont put a button on the door of the cd drive!
[15:14]	MinceR	don't put adequate cooling in your alleged computer
[15:14]	MinceR	don't put an extension port on your other alleged computer
[15:15]	MinceR	do focus group testing with retards and end up with a single-button mouse
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[15:20]	XRevan86	psydruid: Well, the BIOS is AMI, so at least we know that.
[15:21]	psydruid	XRevan86, so that's what that number 6 means
[15:22]	psydruid	and well, I only have these laptops because mine from 2002 died in 2012
[15:22]	psydruid	and I needed something more modern in 2016, so that was the second laptop I've ever bought
[15:23]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/man.cave.gif   ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-man-2#comic )
[15:23]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/22/three-bodies-extracted-from-under-the-rubble-of-a-destroyed-kramatorsk-school-news "Three bodies extracted from under the rubble of a destroyed Kramatorsk school"
[15:23]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
[15:23]	TR Bot	 . 
[15:23]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/22/dpr-authorities-to-block-google-due-to-it-promoting-violence-news "DPR authorities to block Google due to it promoting violence" (so did "LPR" prior)
[15:23]	TR Bot	 . 
[15:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:48]	psydruid	DailyAMDFix is doing a great job selling AMD PSP and Pluton to the masses
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[16:05]	MinceR	(cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/FboAQ3t
[16:05]	TR Bot	 Think my cat might be broken... - rimgo
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[16:10]	TR News	EPOs Georg Weber Increasing Grant Rates Close to 100% in Software Patents (for Supposed Success) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/the-weber-software-patents-machine/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/the-weber-software-patents-machine/
[16:10]	TR Bot	 EPOs Georg Weber Increasing Grant Rates Close to 100% in Software Patents (for Supposed Success) | Techrights
[16:23]	TR News	The Antnio Campinos Photo Ops Tour: Pretending to Support Ukraine While Sending the EPOs Jobs and Applicants Money to Belarus | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/ukraine-as-epo-political-fodder/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/ukraine-as-epo-political-fodder/
[16:23]	TR Bot	 The Antnio Campinos Photo Ops Tour: Pretending to Support Ukraine While Sending the EPOs Jobs and Applicants Money to Belarus | Techrights
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[16:36]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/funny-pictures-7-5-22-9.jpg
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[17:00]	TR News	[Meme] The Intrepid Razik, Herr Weber, and the Faustian EPO Pact | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/faustian-epo-pact/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/faustian-epo-pact/
[17:00]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Intrepid Razik, Herr Weber, and the Faustian EPO Pact | Techrights
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[17:23]	techuser	hi
[17:23]	matey	hi
[17:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	0/
[17:24]	TR News	[Teaser] The Food Expert Who Got an Appetite for Software Patents | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/chef-weber/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/chef-weber/
[17:24]	TR Bot	 [Teaser] The Food Expert Who Got an Appetite for Software Patents | Techrights
[17:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: your friends ^
[17:24]	matey	um..?
[17:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	video
[17:24]	techuser	me and schestowitz[TR2]?
[17:25]	techuser	I don't think IRC "friendship" is a real friendship
[17:25]	techuser	we know each other, we talk sometimes, that's all
[17:25]	matey	youre right, it would have to go beyond just that 
[17:26]	bagira	you're a millenial you don't even know what a friend is
[17:26]	matey	which is possible over irc, but isnt a thing by default
[17:27]	matey	/me has dated people from chat (in person-- not this one obviously) and its safe to say we were friends first
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[17:28]	techuser	someone who can help when one is in trouble, I guess
[17:28]	techuser	can and wants to
[17:29]	matey	/me doesnt think its the internet that fucked up the concept of friend, but the takeover of the internet by people like fuckerberg
[17:29]	matey	lets make friendship more corporate and see what happens
[17:30]	matey	youre banned from your friends! sorry
[17:30]	MinceR	bagira: ok boomer
[17:30]	matey	hes not a boomer yet, hes transitioning
[17:31]	matey	but sometimes he presents as a boomer, maybe its his preferred age
[17:32]	bagira	im a xennial 
[17:32]	matey	his preferred pronoun is grandpa
[17:32]	MinceR	lol
[17:33]	bagira	we're the generation that will take over when the mellenials drop the ball but will be too drunk from watching the insane shitshow to fix anything while we usher the modern world into a distopyian hellscape we warned everyone about our entire lives
[17:33]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/funny-pictures-7-5-22-11.jpg
[17:33]	matey	ahh, fatalism
[17:34]	matey	dont get me wrong, the risk is there
[17:34]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KBRHvFYN48
[17:34]	TR Bot	https://invidious.osi.kr/watch?v=9KBRHvFYN48
[17:34]	bagira	oh come on, you guys had the reins for 10 minutes before the doomsday clock shifted to 100 seconds from midnight and plunged the entire world back into the cold war
[17:34]	TR Bot	invidious.osi.kr | Fatalist - Invidious
[17:34]	MinceR	who had the reins?
[17:35]	matey	old insanely rich people
[17:35]	MinceR	when has an entire generation had the reins?
[17:35]	bagira	nope millenials are voting age
[17:35]	MinceR	so what?
[17:35]	matey	yeah and what age are the people who can win an election?
[17:35]	MinceR	what do you think your votes do?
[17:36]	bagira	vote for people who are not insane and pressure candidate selection systems to not select insane people
[17:36]	MinceR	i thought bagira was kidding, but it really starts to look like he was serious
[17:36]	matey	mincer: they make a nice whooshing noise when they go by
[17:36]	MinceR	people who are not insane do not run in elections
[17:36]	MinceR	and even if they did, they wouldn't lie enough to win any elections
[17:36]	bagira	"my dad voted for bill clinton, and so will I"
[17:37]	matey	trump thought the election was rigged. thats a bit of an underestatement
[17:37]	matey	every aspect of government is rigged. the election is a joke no matter who gets in
[17:37]	bagira	i mean let's be real, the millennial generation has not meaningfully contributed to political thought
[17:37]	bagira	they all look at us for that
[17:37]	matey	i mean let's be real, the millennial generation has not meaningfully contributed to political thought <- i dont agree with this
[17:38]	MinceR	even if they did, they wouldn't lie enough about their own decisions and its effects to ever be elected again
[17:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	yoiung people had the MOST in stake
[17:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	even if they are not wealthy (yet)
[17:38]	MinceR	our society is set up for sociopaths, and sociopaths have the reins always
[17:38]	MinceR	no wonder everything went to shit and it's just getting shittier and shittier
[17:38]	matey	^ pretty much
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	the people in control are aalways alost dead
[17:39]	bagira	eh, i think history will remember it as a failed generation
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	Trump, 70s
[17:39]	MinceR	the only relief will be when our benighted, barbaric, evil, idiotic species finally manages to kill itself off
[17:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	Biden.. 80s soon?
[17:39]	matey	<bagira> eh, i think history will remember it as a failed generation <- if theres history to remember it, i think it will of necessity be a pivotal generation
[17:40]	bagira	there are no millennial giants
[17:40]	matey	maybe thats a feature
[17:40]	MinceR	i don't see the pivot in our death march
[17:40]	matey	you wouldnt
[17:40]	bagira	but ya know
[17:40]	bagira	maybe it's a cycle
[17:41]	bagira	maybe the war they're headed for is what they need
[17:41]	matey	/me likes mincer intellectually, but sometimes he sounds like a marilyn manson album
[17:41]	matey	war is better than some alternatives
[17:41]	matey	its nothing to hope for, except as an alternative to some things
[17:41]	bagira	yeah i mean
[17:41]	MinceR	indeed war is not the worst option
[17:41]	matey	when all other options are out
[17:41]	bagira	only an idiot would desire war
[17:41]	bagira	but
[17:41]	techuser	oh, someone sent me "Marilyn Manson & The Spooky Kids"
[17:41]	MinceR	only an idiot prefers eternal slavery to war
[17:42]	MinceR	but there are billions of idiots
[17:42]	techuser	anything special about it? didn't listen to it yet
[17:42]	bagira	that doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact on many aspects of human society, not all of which are negative
[17:42]	matey	war is better than eternal slavery
[17:42]	bagira	war i mean
[17:42]	MinceR	and we can't even convince them to move to one of their beloved shitholes
[17:42]	matey	techuser: eh
[17:42]	MinceR	instead they try to replicate them wherever they are
[17:43]	MinceR	and so we have hungary and poland
[17:43]	bagira	lol yes "but technically 'true communism' has never been attempted" while ignoring the mass graves
[17:43]	TR News	
[17:43]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167537
[17:43]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[17:44]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/OBFAk2r.gif
[17:44]	bagira	hobbes said it best:  humans are solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short
[17:44]	bagira	the life of humans anyway
[17:45]	matey	<MinceR> but there are billions of idiots </carl sagan voice>
[17:45]	matey	billions and billions
[17:45]	bagira	lol
[17:45]	bagira	have you seen idiocracy
[17:45]	MinceR	:>
[17:45]	matey	maybe half of it
[17:46]	matey	i think its a true story, just not the whole story
[17:48]	matey	i think you underestimate the current generation
[17:48]	bagira	they have strength
[17:48]	matey	theyre definitely smarter than they look
[17:48]	bagira	of emotions
[17:49]	matey	think about leeloo for example
[17:49]	matey	i mean
[17:49]	matey	if we didnt know better, we would think leeloo was a bit special...
[17:49]	matey	thats this generation
[17:50]	bagira	wha
[17:50]	bagira	what are you talking about
[17:50]	bagira	who is leeloo
[17:50]	matey	you cant tell me you havent seen fifth element
[17:50]	bagira	dude that movie came out in the 80s
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[17:50]	matey	90s
[17:50]	bagira	thats not a millenial
[17:50]	matey	thats not what i mean
[17:50]	matey	i mean if we met leeloo, and didnt really know her
[17:51]	matey	she would seem a bit... stupid
[17:51]	matey	she acts like a child most of the movie
[17:51]	matey	i think shes awesome, but its because we know better
[17:52]	matey	if you judged her at face value though, youd have to see her in action
[17:52]	matey	if you were working at the ticket gate on the other hand, youd probably think she at paint chips
[17:53]	bagira	ok this is where you draw jungian counters citing the mask worn by arnold for the inspections line in the original total recall  
[17:53]	matey	i saw it, but i paid very little attention
[17:53]	matey	i probably should have waited a couple more years, total recall was just wtf for me
[17:54]		*bagira hands matey a cigar and tells him it's just a cigar
[17:54]	matey	thats what she said
[17:54]	matey	but was there a point to the movie? im assuming yes, based on what youre saying
[17:54]	bagira	not really man, its entertainment not real life
[17:55]	matey	lol alright
[17:55]	bagira	from a different generation than the one we were talking about
[17:56]	matey	i dont think its fair to dump the shit of every generation before it on the most recent one and say "here, this is your fault"
[17:56]	matey	its like blaming the camel for the last straw
[17:57]	matey	but this is more about accuracy than it is about fairness. we dont have to be fair, but we want to be accurate
[17:58]	matey	a lot of stupidity has come out of this generation, but it was put into them by people like zuckerberg (and dorsey. and a bunch of others)
[17:58]	matey	if people stop raising their kids, and the kids grow up in a mental wasteland
[17:58]	matey	any progress they make from that is sort of a miracle
[17:59]	matey	whichever generation is the pivotal one will have to be more immune to bullshit than the previous one
[17:59]	matey	thats really a tall fucking order
[17:59]	matey	and if it isnt the generation we give up on humanity for
[17:59]	matey	then they will most likely spawn it
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[18:00]	matey	either way, credit where credit is due
[18:01]	matey	and if it isnt the generation we give up on humanity for <- that is actually the pivotal one, then it will be their kids most likely
[18:02]	bagira	they're not having kids
[18:02]	matey	of course theyre having kids
[18:02]	matey	you think birth has stopped
[18:02]	matey	if theyre having fewer kids, thats a feature
[18:02]	matey	if theyre too young to have kids, that wont last long
[18:04]	MinceR	no, this generation is just as retarded as every generation before it and every generation after it
[18:04]	MinceR	they're human
[18:04]	matey	there seems to be a point in each generation
[18:04]	MinceR	and that's the problem with them
[18:04]	matey	where they get old enough to give up, then give up
[18:04]	matey	then they start projecting that onto younger people
[18:04]	MinceR	the point is the continued march to a protracted and painful death
[18:05]	matey	mincer hasnt given up 
[18:05]	MinceR	what humans say about humanity vs reality is like what you see on the screen while installing a MICROS~1 product and what it's actually like using it
[18:06]	MinceR	propaganda: "we're intelligent and civilized! we can overcome any challenge!" reality: we're stupid and barbaric and we exterminate ourselves
[18:06]	MinceR	...slowly.
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[18:10]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/funny-pictures-7-5-22-1.jpg
[18:10]	matey	propaganda: "we're intelligent and civilized! we can overcome any challenge!" <- thats what youre blaming them for not being able to do 
[18:10]	MinceR	that's what they claim they are
[18:11]	MinceR	there are all these tales about human "civilization"
[18:11]	matey	definitely not fair
[18:11]	matey	intellectually
[18:11]	MinceR	there's all the posturing about how humans are better than all the other lifeforms
[18:11]	MinceR	and then there's reality
[18:11]	matey	according to mincer
[18:12]	matey	but you only judge the odds by the people who are failing
[18:12]	matey	which makes it circular
[18:12]	matey	you may still be right, but the argument isnt great
[18:12]	bagira	humans are better than all the other lifeforms
[18:12]	bagira	objectively
[18:12]	bagira	in every way
[18:13]	bagira	and its entirely possible that we're the most advanced life in the universe
[18:13]	matey	we can bang the rocks together real good
[18:14]	matey	we can even bang the atomic particles of the rocks together
[18:14]	matey	oh, flint, thats cute. watch this...
[18:15]	MinceR	22 191210 < matey> but you only judge the odds by the people who are failing
[18:15]	MinceR	no, i judge the odds by what the masses do and what the masses allow the exceptional people do
[18:15]	MinceR	bagira: keep telling yourself that
[18:15]	matey	<MinceR> no, i judge the odds by what the masses do and what the masses allow the exceptional people do <- youre waiting for jesus then
[18:16]	MinceR	no
[18:16]	matey	einstein didnt think he was exceptional. he thought his work might inspire "a few astrophysicists"
[18:16]	matey	you are
[18:16]	MinceR	jesus is worthless
[18:16]	MinceR	jesus' message in that overrated tale is stupid
[18:16]	matey	yes, but thats only half the point
[18:16]	MinceR	einstein was exceptional
[18:17]	matey	i think so too
[18:17]	matey	but the way history is told, its still told in the form of epics
[18:17]	matey	the story of einstein is an epic
[18:17]	matey	we write history to give credit for civilisation to big heroes
[18:18]	matey	this isnt jealously talking, again, einstein himself did not think of himself as a giant
[18:18]	MinceR	history will be told in the form of a sphere expanding at light speed from a planet filled with ruins
[18:18]	bagira	MinceR: hopefully by then we'll be making time bombs so we can shatter the timeline in the process
[18:18]	MinceR	:>
[18:19]	matey	the way history is written, it skews things a bit
[18:19]	bagira	lol have you guys seen that cartoon called "stein's gate"?
[18:19]	bagira	that shit was epic
[18:19]	matey	it says big people create the world, and little people are shit
[18:20]	matey	it says martin luther king was the civil rights movement, because hes safer than malcolm x (i like mlk a lot, more than gandhi)
[18:20]	matey	heres where it falls apart though
[18:21]	matey	einstein wasnt doing something someone else could have done-- granted many didnt
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[18:21]	matey	but if he had never been born, someone else would have discovered what he did
[18:21]	matey	its awesome that he did, to be sure. thats why hes a household name
[18:21]	matey	he inspired a lot of people
[18:21]	matey	but if you believe history the way its told
[18:21]	matey	the point of people like einstein inspiring other people
[18:22]	matey	is so most of them can really be mediocre and useless
[18:22]	matey	history is a bit like american idol
[18:22]	matey	its rigged and 4 yesses wont necessarily get you to the next round, no matter what they say
[18:23]	matey	it overstresses mediocity as much as it overstresses greatness
[18:23]	matey	the civil rights movement was led by martin luther king, in a way
[18:23]	matey	but in another way, it was all the people who simply did their part
[18:23]	matey	and history pushes our view away from that sort of obvious thing
[18:23]	matey	the result is that people are uninspired
[18:23]	matey	they dont bother-- they know theyre not mlk, not einstein
[18:24]	matey	so why not just stfu and die? whats the point 
[18:24]	matey	and most people simply carry on
[18:24]	matey	but what if inspiring people ACTUALLY INSPIRED PEOPLE instead
[18:24]	matey	instead of simply being examples of what they could never be
[18:24]	matey	i dont know
[18:24]	matey	because history is still told in the form of epics
[18:24]	matey	youre a person
[18:24]	matey	THIS is a GREAT PERSON
[18:24]	matey	lots of luck, dipshit
[18:25]	matey	einstein was great, but history is dichotomy
[18:25]	matey	youre either GREAT, or... whatever.
[18:25]	matey	and its simply not like that. thats not reality. its distorted.
[18:25]	matey	jesus isnt coming back
[18:26]	matey	people can accept mediocrity, or they can be as great as they can be
[18:26]	matey	right now though, most people think youre either great, or meh.
[18:26]	matey	narcissism is overcompensation for a lack of self-worth
[18:26]	matey	society is narcissistic as fuck
[18:27]	matey	its fixable-- if we rebuild society to be less like that, people would improve
[18:28]	matey	we would still have einsteins, but now we would have more brilliant physicists
[18:28]	matey	including the ones who never bothered because "im not einstein"
[18:28]	prurigro	matey: I was recently listening to a talk by a physicist who, while deflecting praise for his ideas, pointed out a number of people in Einstein's life that directly inspired him, like this one mathematician who taught him the math for calculating curvature that turned into a foundational piece of the theory of relativity
[18:29]	matey	sure youre not 
[18:29]	matey	but who said you have to be
[18:29]	matey	thats where we fucked up
[18:29]	matey	society is broken-- we need jesus and einstein and mlk
[18:29]	matey	thats mythology
[18:29]	matey	so yeah, youre waiting for jesus
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[18:30]	matey	even though you know how silly that is
[18:30]	matey	maybe it wont be einstein or mlk who fixes it
[18:30]	matey	maybe thats a fallacy created by the way we tell history
[18:31]	matey	theres a pervasive example of this pushed by academia too
[18:31]	matey	disputed by dr andy farnell
[18:31]	matey	i mean, the wright brothers were not qualified to invent planes
[18:31]	prurigro	people like their heroes, and skip the hard work and how they were in the right place and the right time and surrounded by the right people
[18:31]	matey	they were qualified to make fucking bicycles
[18:32]	matey	 and skip the hard work and how they were in the right place and the right time and surrounded by the right people <- yep
[18:32]	matey	and history encourages this
[18:32]	bagira	all the cool shit happens in central ohio
[18:32]	matey	im not saying we should stop writing cool history
[18:33]	matey	but we should also learn that theres a certain amount of hidden bullshit lurking in it
[18:33]	matey	which made its way there through false assumptions and wishful thinking, and other fallacies
[18:34]	matey	we should stop treating epics as manuals for fixing society, unless we intend to wait for jesus and einstein or carry on without them
[18:34]	matey	obviously this applies to stallman
[18:34]	matey	not because he isnt great-- i personally compare him to einstein
[18:35]	matey	but because hes done.
[18:35]	matey	and not coming back
[18:35]	matey	and waiting for him to fix free software is why it isnt getting fixed yet
[18:35]	matey	nor will it be fixed by the traitors
[18:35]	matey	because theyre fake
[18:35]	matey	so if it wont be fixed by stallman, and it wont be fixed by traitors, and it wont be fixed with corporations
[18:36]	matey	we know the only people who can fix it: everyone else
[18:36]	matey	society has the same problem
[18:36]	matey	and its too busy waiting for jesus and einstein and mlk
[18:36]	prurigro	speaking of people everyone idolizes (and to your point) - "Be the change you want to see"
[18:36]	matey	all of whom were great
[18:37]	matey	"Be the change you want to see" <- this is exactly what i mean
[18:37]	matey	but gandhi was a shit
[18:37]	matey	both he and mlk were inspired by thoreau, but they shouldnt have been
[18:37]	prurigro	he was, but that quote isn't
[18:37]	matey	thoreau wasnt a great man. he inspired great men.
[18:37]	matey	thats not how its supposed to work.
[18:37]	matey	youre supposed to be inspired by great people!
[18:37]	matey	not some guy living in the woods
[18:38]	matey	i mean he was basically the precursor to the unabomber ffs
[18:38]	matey	(i love thoreau, im just making a point)
[18:38]	matey	mlk was cool
[18:38]	matey	i like malcolm x too
[18:39]	matey	they asked malcolm x if a white person could join what he was doing
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[18:39]	matey	he said "if john brown was still alive, we might accept him"
[18:40]	matey	you cant rely on reform to fix anything in the long run
[18:40]	matey	but all real change starts at the margins
[18:42]	matey	most of the abolitionists wanted to reform until slavery was no more
[18:42]	matey	it would have taken centuries
[18:43]	matey	but they were calling for what they thought was possible
[18:44]	matey	open source wants to fix the software industry through similar reforms
[18:45]	matey	esr was cynical
[18:45]	matey	from the beginning
[18:45]	britney	esr is a badass
[18:45]	matey	it looked ambitious, but really open source is cloying and sycophantic
[18:47]	matey	esr is a badass <- he created a weapon for microsoft, while trying to destroy them
[18:47]	matey	then he never admitted it
[18:47]	matey	hes an idiot
[18:47]	matey	if id created open source
[18:47]	matey	i would have denounced it
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[18:51]	bagira	wow i just got a notice in the mail that verizon as my cellular provider did a credit check on my (soft pull) like 2 years into my account
[18:52]	bagira	never authorized that shit and its apparently routine for them
[18:53]	matey	why would they do that
[18:53]	bagira	apparently they use it to determine spending limit for purchases which can be billed to my account
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[18:54]	matey	verizon and comcast shouldnt fucking exist
[18:54]	bagira	isnt that illegal?
[18:54]	matey	why would it be illegal
[18:54]	matey	afaik anyone can run a credit check
[18:55]	matey	which is unfortunate because too many credit checks (which you have no control over) can fuck with your credit, among other things
[18:55]	matey	or maybe im thinking of background checks
[18:56]	matey	either way afaik anyone can do a credit check on you
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[19:10]	psydruid	so my university crawled deeper into bill gates' black hole requiring multi-factor authentication using an "app" I need to have installed on my backdoored "phone"
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[19:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	why is 2fa gates?
[19:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	I think many naferious entities promote this crap tbh
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	*nefa
[19:11]	psydruid	no, the problem is using lookout online
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[19:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	don't use it
[19:11]	psydruid	and they recommend using or switching to lookout
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	use your own email
[19:11]	DaemonFC	mateyafaik anyone can run a credit check
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	and tell them to stuff your MICROSOFT accounts
[19:11]	DaemonFC	You can freeze your credit report and lock them out.
[19:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	unis in NL should not Iimpose US-controlled amil ons tudents
[19:11]	psydruid	well, there are no directions for making this work on thunderbird
[19:12]	psydruid	I guess I'll just use webmail from now on
[19:12]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167540
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[19:12]	DaemonFC	I froze Mandy's to lock out MARISOL and put fraud alerts o them.
[19:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	2fa was obstructing me two weeks ago
[19:12]	DaemonFC	Even if she did manage to remove one, she'd still have to get past the other.
[19:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	so I got our CEO to scan some code for me and send me a text to enter
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydruid: there's usually a way around it
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	for now
[19:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	still
[19:13]	psydruid	I'm waiting for Redmond to approve Thunderbird now
[19:13]	psydruid	thanks but no thanks
[19:13]	psydruid	fuckers
[19:13]	DaemonFC	The problem is actually the smaller credit bureaus nobody knows about.
[19:13]	DaemonFC	You have to freeze those too to stop people from applying for fraudulent insurance policies.
[19:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	you should make gdpr complaint
[19:14]	DaemonFC	MARISOL thinks that everyone around her is just some pawn to be used to raise money to go shopping with.
[19:15]	DaemonFC	She's always up to some scheme, like opening fake bitcoin exchange accounts in their names and credit cards.
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[19:16]	DaemonFC	She's using some bitcoin exchange in Panama called bitfoliex.
[19:18]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I spoke with one of the maintainers of SeaMonkey.
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	foiled
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	she got foiled
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	tinfoil
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	failing a scam
[19:18]	DaemonFC	It turns out it has most of the Web platform features of Gecko 78, but it's also based on 60.8.
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	tinflolex
[19:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	EXchange for tintoil teen
[19:18]	DaemonFC	They've been backporting major features to 60.8 because it has APIs they don't want to lose.
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	nevigator nerds
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	*navigaotr
[19:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	when is your seamonkey review out?
[19:20]	DaemonFC	Soon-ish, I hope.
[19:20]	DaemonFC	I feel like a grenade went off in my head right now.
[19:20]	DaemonFC	I wouldn't wish this medicine on anyone, honestly. Not even GULAG.
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	the article?
[19:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe make it multi-part if it's very long
[19:22]	DaemonFC	Yeah, that might work.
[19:22]	DaemonFC	It ended up being more about the state of the Web getting away from us than SeaMonkey.
[19:22]	DaemonFC	And why SeaMonkey is having a hard time dealing with it.
[19:23]	DaemonFC	(Mozilla doesn't care about Gecko as a development platform.)
[19:23]	DaemonFC	SeaMonkey is like the last project out there that is determined to make it work despite itself.
[19:24]	DaemonFC	Mozilla's position is obviously very wrongheaded. They attacked and drove off other people wanting to use Gecko and make it popular and make their version of the Web platform grow and leave developers with little choice but to support it, and now Firefox is small, cut off, all alone, and shrinking.
[19:25]	DaemonFC	There used to be many browsers using Gecko as the engine, and Mozilla didn't see that there was value in this. Microsoft certainly did with IE. They didn't care if you used IE or something like Maxthon, which opened up Trident and gave you more features.
[19:26]	DaemonFC	I remember all of these "other browsers" being dumped on freeware sites with features that Microsoft wasn't interested in putting in IE, but they didn't work without Trident, and if you browsed around with Trident, it made Microsoft stronger.
[19:27]	DaemonFC	That's Google's strategy with Chromium "open source project". 
[19:28]	DaemonFC	They certainly want you to use Chrome, but when you use Vivaldi, Opera, or Edge, you are boosting Google's stranglehold on the Web and making any holdouts irrelevant. The endgame is to wipe out Safari and Firefox and take over.
[19:28]	bagira	opera is not owned by google
[19:31]	DaemonFC	Doesn't matter. The Web Engine is the same. And all of these "other browsers" bend down, kiss the ring, and sign licensing agreements to get Widevine.
[19:31]	DaemonFC	Which SeaMonkey does NOT support or bother the user with.
[19:32]	DaemonFC	I've discovered that the best way to get news on SeaMonkey is to just use a Gemini Proxy for NewsWaffle and bookmark the Proxy to NewsWaffle.
[19:32]	DaemonFC	So basically it's a WebNewsWaffle at that point.
[19:33]	DaemonFC	It would be interesting if someone would create a Web version of the NewsWaffle that would work directly, or could run in the browser and convert news sites on your local machine by stripping them down and THEN feeding them into the browser engine as text and links.
[19:33]	DaemonFC	That would be REALLY useful.
[19:34]	DaemonFC	These news sites are gargantuan and the news is actually just a few KB of text as cheese in a mousetrap. They use it as bait to get you in there so you'll spring the trap and they can hit you with paywalls, ads, tracking scripts, things that your poor browser or poor computer can't process and dies from.
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[19:40]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I'm going to see if I can load a local proxy to turn SeaMonkey into a Gemini browser.
[19:41]	DaemonFC	That way I don't need to keep switching between the Web and Gemini.
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	we have a proxy
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	we made it with perl
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/gemini/
[19:41]	TR Bot	 Techrights on Gemini | Techrights
[19:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	but we restricted it to work only in our domain
[19:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	opera is owned by china
[19:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the belly of opera is gulag
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	the engine of the rendering and all
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	which is the core stuff
[19:43]	DaemonFC	I think that most of Opera is owned by red China now.
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	opera is just front end gui now
[19:43]	DaemonFC	And it's also supportive of GULAG.
[19:43]	DaemonFC	Yes!
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	same for HEDGE FUND, EDGE
[19:43]	DaemonFC	It's a very bad idea to move from Opera 12 to Chromium Opera.
[19:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	malicious repackasing
[19:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	and password stealer
[19:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	but windows tore or microsoft store won't ben it
[19:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	for being a copyncat that steals passwords
[19:44]	DaemonFC	If you still desire an "Internet Suite", best to move everything over to SeaMonkey.
[19:44]	DaemonFC	It still gets security updates and can render more modern sites.
[19:45]	DaemonFC	So Opera 12 is definitely falling apart worse by now. It must be. They abandoned it and SeaMonkey is still actively developed.
[19:45]	DaemonFC	That means that SeaMonkey is the better choice by default.
[19:47]	DaemonFC	I liked "old Opera". Most of the employees resigned and went to work at Vivaldi, but Vivaldi is also proprietary. The parts that differentiate it from Chrome are proprietary and obfuscated (they're visible because they're written in JavaScript, CSS, and such, but they've "compressed" them by removing all of the commenting, and then they did a simple "XOR" style obfuscation on them so you...
[19:47]	DaemonFC	...can't easily read what it is they're doing.
[19:47]	DaemonFC	And it would be an infringement they could sue you for if you tried using it.
[19:48]	DaemonFC	The irony is that the employees that went to work at Opera lament the loss of their old code, saying it was good code, and they put a lot of work into optimizing it, but they accidentally point out that they lost it because it was proprietary, what they do now is proprietary, therefore someday we'll lose Vivaldi too.
[19:49]	DaemonFC	It's logical and it follows. So even the employees of Vivaldi admit that their current job is just a paycheck for them and a dead end for you.
[19:49]	DaemonFC	At some indefinite point in the future.
[19:51]	DaemonFC	Even if you "consume" the updates, Vivaldi has the troubles that all other proprietary software does. It changes in ways you may not like. It doesn't force you to grab the update, however it's a Web browser and once you stop updating it, you have unpatched security vulnerabilities that pile up, and its Web Platform is frozen in time, and that doesn't matter too much for a year or two, then...
[19:51]	DaemonFC	...it gets annoying, then eventually you can't use it at all.
[19:51]	DaemonFC	You simply cannot hold out on an unpatched unsupported Web browser for very long.
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[19:52]	DaemonFC	When proprietary operating systems become unsupported, major browser vendors stop supporting them a few years later. People still can't or don't want to stop using the proprietary operating system.
[19:53]	DaemonFC	So they become increasingly desperate for a Web browser that still does anything at all.
[19:53]	DaemonFC	I believe there's still a couple of really weird ones that are offshoots of Pale Moon that run on XP, but the days are numbered even for that.
[19:54]	DaemonFC	Classilla continued supporting Mac OS 8.6 and all unsupported Classic Mac OS and PowerPC and Intel releases of Mac OS X, until last year when Cameron Kaiser gave up on it.
[19:54]	DaemonFC	However, "support" is a word you have to use broadly with something like this.
[19:54]	DaemonFC	If you read the documentation, it did not work WELL.
[19:55]	DaemonFC	It blocked JavaScript by default because many sites just confused and crashed it, and he couldn't fix all of the security issues, so he decided to wall many of them off.
[19:55]	DaemonFC	It had an extension that supported code snippets to rewrite pages to see if you could get them to work.
[19:56]	DaemonFC	It identified as a NOKIA N60, and according to mjg59_ super genius, that made it a NOKIA N60.
[19:56]	DaemonFC	:)
[19:56]	DaemonFC	"To get simpler Web pages that are less likely to crash it." Okay, sure.
[19:57]	DaemonFC	In the end, there were only three ways to browse anything on these old Macs, Classilla, Mosaic-CK, or Lynx.
[19:58]	DaemonFC	The first two are now abandonware and were maintained by CK and fared worse every passing year, and Lynx is, well, it's Lynx.
[19:59]	DaemonFC	The point of bloating up the Web is multi-pronged, but one reason is to make it impossible for anyone but GAFAM to put out a Web browser that works entirely as expected.
● Jul 22
[20:00]	TR News	Patent wars with European software patents are being promoted by the 'evil genius' Georg from the EPO http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/the-weber-software-patents-machine/
[20:00]	TR Bot	 EPOs Georg Weber Increasing Grant Rates Close to 100% in Software Patents (for Supposed Success) | Techrights
[20:00]	TR News	The cheap and low-grade political propaganda of Campinos has gotten rather tiresome; here he goes again for photo opportunities (or operations, PR operations) instead of tackling real issues, such as the need to comply with rulings from ILOAT (such as disabling of E-mail blocks a trivial task which should only take a few minutes) http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/ukraine-as-epo-political-fodder/
[20:00]	TR Bot	 The Antnio Campinos Photo Ops Tour: Pretending to Support Ukraine While Sending the EPOs Jobs and Applicants Money to Belarus | Techrights
[20:00]	DaemonFC	It's not fun. It's not something a few people can write. It's not even something you'd want to compile, and if you do it'll take days to finish and need 2-3 different compilers.
[20:01]	TR News	The Algerian Skirmisher and "Evil Genius" (Georg) want European software patents as the new normal at the EPO, but many examiners wont cooperate with such an illegal and self-harming agenda http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/faustian-epo-pact/
[20:01]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Intrepid Razik, Herr Weber, and the Faustian EPO Pact | Techrights
[20:01]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I want to check out SeaMonkey's development branch, 2.57. I don't want it to update my profile, however.
[20:01]	TR News	Coming tomorrow we have The EPO Bubble Part XI about Herr Weber, who came from the field of food and biotechnology and now fancies himself expert in software patents without having written any code http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/chef-weber/
[20:01]	TR Bot	 [Teaser] The Food Expert Who Got an Appetite for Software Patents | Techrights
[20:01]	DaemonFC	I guess I could move it off to the side.
[20:01]	DaemonFC	It still identifies as "Gecko 60.8", but undoubtedly, they've backported even MOAR into it.
[20:02]	DaemonFC	I wonder how tenable this will be. Eventually, there probably won't be a Gecko upstream and then they'll catch up. :)
[20:02]	DaemonFC	I give Gecko 2 years, perhaps 3.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	There is going to be an announcement that Firefox is switching to Chromium and laying more people off.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	Microsoft already told them what they're going to do.
[20:04]	DaemonFC	1. Switch to Chromium. 2. Announce that they're a "research organization" (running on handouts from Microsoft and Google). 3. Continue running the "Foundation", probably with Microsoft as a "Platinum member" as the "Leading company with an intelligent cloud solution." like Debian did.
[20:06]	DaemonFC	It seems SeaMonkey and Thunderbird are sharing some development resources since Mozilla kicked them both out.
[20:07]	DaemonFC	I didn't even notice it, but Mozilla must have either made life impossible as a part of Mozilla Foundation or kicked SeaMonkey out, because SeaMonkey is a German entity since 2012.
[20:07]	DaemonFC	The browser still references Mozilla in inappropriate places, given this development.
[20:07]	DaemonFC	Should probably be patched out.
[20:10]	TR News	The Star Trek Operating System - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=hbg-QgKOdac | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/hbg-QgKOdac
[20:10]	TR Bot	 The Star Trek Operating System - Invidious
[20:11]	TR News	"Hey, DT! Your Videos Are Part Of A Web Course." (Plus Other Comments) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ictNKkeINhI | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/ictNKkeINhI
[20:11]	TR Bot	 "Hey, DT! Your Videos Are Part Of A Web Course." (Plus Other Comments) - Invidious
[20:11]	TR News	Lets compare the DAY ZERO Steam Deck to the Q3 Deck. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=B5ic1bFBmpo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/B5ic1bFBmpo
[20:12]	TR Bot	 Let's compare the DAY ZERO Steam Deck to the Q3 Deck. - Invidious
[20:12]	TR News	How to install fonts on Linux QUICKLY! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=qkKKnAlUXUk | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/qkKKnAlUXUk
[20:12]	TR Bot	 How to install fonts on Linux QUICKLY! - Invidious
[20:13]	TR News	Linux CLI in 60 Seconds - ls - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=yOX9DYSThJA | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/yOX9DYSThJA
[20:13]	TR Bot	 Linux CLI in 60 Seconds - ls - Invidious
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[20:18]	TR News	Jupiter Broadcasting outsourcing the site to Microsoft proprietary crap after being hijacked by Microsoft (from LINUX people) https://feed.jupiter.zone/allshows#entry-8623 see http://techrights.org/2020/05/29/jupiter-broadcasting/
[20:18]	TR Bot	 Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesnt Care About GNU/Linux and Now Its Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | Techrights
[20:19]	phanes	wow the themes in seamonkey are horrid
[20:19]	phanes	this is hard to look at
[20:19]	TR News	The Uber Leak Exposes the Global War on Workers https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/07/uber-files-leak-gig-economy
[20:19]	TR Bot	 The Uber Leak Exposes the Global War on Workers
[20:21]	TR News	Driverless Robotaxi Fleet Paralyzed for Hours in San Francisco The Last Driver License Holder https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2022/06/29/driverless-robotaxi-fleet-paralyzed-for-hours-in-san-francisco/
[20:21]	TR Bot	 Driverless Robotaxi Fleet Paralyzed for Hours in San Francisco The Last Driver License Holder
[20:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: ^^
[20:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	maybe it didn'tr boot
[20:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	untrusted OS
[20:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	"play with your doorbell for a couple hours.. while we investigate why your car won't start"
[20:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	"your car's certificate is expired"
[20:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	"the server is offline at the moment, try again later"
[20:24]	phanes	imagine that in space for utilities on an offworld colony
[20:24]	DaemonFC	Amazon was "caught" uploading videos and sending them to the police without asking the "owner" of the "Ring" or informing them. This shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone.
[20:24]	DaemonFC	And people don't just use "Ring". They put other Amazon Clown cameras _inside_ their home, like MARISOL does.
[20:24]	DaemonFC	So "ghetto people" who aren't even afraid of breaking the law right in front of a cop will be scared off by the camera. Explain that logic.
[20:25]	DaemonFC	I told her "I don't have any cameras.". She asked what I have then. I said, "A revolver.".
[20:26]	phanes	lol @ revolver
[20:26]	phanes	im in the process of milling a few 80% AR lowers
[20:26]	DaemonFC	"Hai thar Amazon! Pls record me while I shoot the home invader so the cops can use it if they decide to put me on trial pls! kthxbai!". Herr derr!
[20:27]	DaemonFC	You can give the cops the video of the person breaking in and stealing all your shit.
[20:27]	DaemonFC	They still won't bother to try and find the guy.
[20:27]	DaemonFC	It still goes cold.
[20:27]	phanes	thats a given
[20:27]	phanes	you should assume a burgler is armed and intends to kill you
[20:28]	phanes	*burglar
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[20:28]	DaemonFC	When John and I lived in Chicago, the landlord had a security camera in the hallway. A good one. You could clearly make out the face of the guy who held John at gunpoint. It wasn't one of those "Where the FUCK did they get this camera? KMart in 1992?" recordings.
[20:28]	DaemonFC	It was very clear. HD.
[20:28]	DaemonFC	We got a copy of the whole thing to the Chicago Police. They never found the guy.
[20:28]	DaemonFC	I don't know why people like cameras.
[20:29]	phanes	easier to find him when the call is to pick up a body
[20:29]	phanes	"he's over there on the floor under that sheet, officer"
[20:29]	DaemonFC	Buy a gun. The only thing a camera does is record you using the gun so the prosecutor can pick it over and decide whether to show YOU violating the criminal's "civil right" to break in and rape you to a jury, because it's shit ass Illinois.
[20:29]	DaemonFC	Don't get a camera!
[20:30]	DaemonFC	You have to be next level stupid to buy something that's (1) incredibly expensive and (2) more of a danger to yourself than the lawbreaker.
[20:30]	DaemonFC	Shitcongo is paying people $1,200 to install a Ring Informant. 
[20:31]	DaemonFC	Inform on yourself! We'll pay you back with money we stole from someone else!
[20:31]	DaemonFC	Instantly upload videos of yourself in your house to the police.
[20:31]	DaemonFC	It's fun.
[20:31]	DaemonFC	$1,200 rebate!
[20:32]	DaemonFC	phanes im in the process of milling a few 80% AR lowers
[20:33]	AdmFubar	https://atlasvpn.com/blog/microsoft-office-flaws-exploited-in-nearly-80-of-malware-attacks
[20:33]	DaemonFC	The only gun in Illinois that's really practical if you're going to use it for self-defense is one small enough to conceal.
[20:33]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Office flaws exploited in nearly 80% of malware attacks - Atlas VPN
[20:33]	AdmFubar	now introducing the new Ring Stazi!
[20:34]	DaemonFC	There's probably a lot of guns in the Chicago River.
[20:34]	DaemonFC	Only an idiot murders someone and then keeps the murder weapon.
[20:34]	DaemonFC	That's probably why they find so many people in the south side of Chicago carrying around a gun. They stop them because they're being loud and annoying and take the gun.
[20:34]	DaemonFC	Pop off a few rounds.
[20:35]	DaemonFC	Solve 10 murders.
[20:35]	DaemonFC	:)
[20:35]	TR News	Reality 2.0 Episode 119: RapidDisk and Open Source Maintainership https://koutoupis.com/2022/07/22/reality-2-0-episode-119-rapiddisk-and-open-source-maintainership/
[20:35]	TR Bot	 Reality 2.0 Episode 119: RapidDisk and Open Source Maintainership Random [Tech] Stuff
[20:38]	TR News	"Apple has released security updates to address vulnerabilities in multiple products. These updates address vulnerabilities attackers could exploit to take control of affected systems." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/22/apple-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
[20:38]	TR Bot	 Apple Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA
[20:38]	DaemonFC	The police tell you how they solve crimes.
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[20:39]	DaemonFC	I mean, it's like,  you work it backwards and you clean up your mess.
[20:39]	TR News	"Some of these vulnerabilities could allow a remote attacker to execute take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/22/cisco-releases-security-updates-multiple-products
[20:39]	TR Bot	 Cisco Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA
[20:44]	TR News	Copying Pass Git Repo to PinePhone gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~nristen/gemlog/20220722.gmi
[20:45]	TR News	Indexed Colour Workflow gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/korruptor/blog/2022-07-22-IndexedColour.gmi
[20:46]	TR News	Search Engine Dilemma Bias VS Accuracy gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2022/07-22-search-engine-dilemma-bias-vs-accuracy.gmi
[20:47]	TR News	People use tabs a lot because Web pages became bloated and take a long time to load, hence muititask workflows (hard on the brain, albeit a tradeoff)). Not always, but that too is a factor, Gemini tackles this...
[20:48]	TR News	Kafkaesque or how to book a simple appointment gemini://sev.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-07-22.gmi
[20:49]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167541
[20:49]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[20:50]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows and New Videos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167542
[20:50]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows and New Videos | Tux Machines
[20:50]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167543
[20:50]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 7.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Jul 22
[21:02]	TR News	[Meme] The EPOs Pot o Gold | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-as-pot-of-gold/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-as-pot-of-gold/
[21:02]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The EPOs Pot o Gold | Techrights
[21:02]	DaemonFC	I'm dividing the SeaMonkey article into sections.
[21:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	good
[21:03]	DaemonFC	I'm trying to be as text-friendly as possible.
[21:03]	DaemonFC	Although I'll include a screenshot, I suppose.
[21:04]	DaemonFC	I hate Web sites that are not friendly to Lynx.
[21:04]	DaemonFC	Usually there's no reason other than the author didn't care if you could read the text, or wanted to punish you for turning off JavaScript.
[21:04]	MinceR	22 192113 < matey> but if he had never been born, someone else would have discovered what he did
[21:05]	MinceR	and that someone else would have had to be quite capable as well
[21:05]	MinceR	other than that, it's pretty difficult to guess these "what if" questions
[21:05]	MinceR	22 192408 < matey> so why not just stfu and die? whats the point
[21:05]	MinceR	inertia.
[21:06]	MinceR	22 192552 < matey> jesus isnt coming back 
[21:06]	MinceR	probably never existed either
[21:06]	techuser	oh, frankenstein (a nickname) has something to say on jesus
[21:07]	techuser	he thinks jesus is fake, but something evil was introduced with this name
[21:08]	TR News	[Meme] The Sinking Ship? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/meme-the-sinking-ship/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/meme-the-sinking-ship/
[21:08]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Sinking Ship? | Techrights
[21:27]	TR News	[Meme/Video] Another Temper Tantrump From Antnio Campinos | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/temper-tantrump/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/temper-tantrump/
[21:27]	TR Bot	 [Meme/Video] Another Temper Tantrump From Antnio Campinos | Techrights
[21:28]	TR News	[Meme] Award-winning Fake Patents | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/fake-patents-with-awards/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/fake-patents-with-awards/
[21:28]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Award-winning Fake Patents | Techrights
[21:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz I'm writing about ChatZilla and IRC at this point.
[21:29]	DaemonFC	Why you would use those instead of Discord or Matrix.
[21:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	I've noticed earlier that you use it
[21:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:30]	DaemonFC	I used to use ChatZilla because opening something else used more memory than having ChatZilla open alongside Mozilla Suite.
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[21:30]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/22/they-told-us-nobody-s-going-to-take-us-home "They told us nobodys going to take us home Russian soldiers held captive in Luhansk region for refusing to fight in Ukraine"
[21:30]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[21:30]	DaemonFC	ChatZilla only used another 100 KB or so, and opening mIRC or XCHat used dozens of MB.
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[21:30]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/253445
[21:30]	TR Bot	 Ukraines richest man to reopen his television channels in Europe to avoid restrictions under oligarch law
[21:30]	DaemonFC	So it was a way to de-duplicate things and save system resources.
[21:31]	XRevan86	https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/22/7359647/
[21:31]	TR Bot	 Ukrainian grain export agreement signed in Istanbul | Ukrainska Pravda
[21:31]	DaemonFC	"With many younger people moving to Matrix or Discord, they may have never even heard of Internet Relay Chat. IRC still exists, and some networks are very popular.
[21:31]	DaemonFC	Matrix.org has bridged some of these IRC servers in to pressure people to use Matrix.org. The unfortunate thing about centralizing something like this is you get to deal with arbitrary moderators.
[21:31]	DaemonFC	Matrix.org banned me four times in the middle of the night, and with no explanation. They didnt tell me why. It didnt even say I was banned or who did it. Just BAM and my account didnt exist on the server anymore.
[21:31]	DaemonFC	This caused a major upheaval. While I eventually created an account they havent banned, yet, I dont trust Matrix.org to handle my chats anymore. Especially not bridging them into IRC servers that also have their own moderation and policies. I only use IRC clients to handle IRC now so there is no middleman that can censor me and cause me to lose everything, even on other networks. Many...
[21:31]	DaemonFC	...people are fleeing Matrix.org and causing the protocol to fragment, as servers that supposedly decentralize and federate mutually ban each other and the whole thing falls apart into an incoherent mess where you need to run multiple tabs of Element, each one consuming hundreds and hundreds of MB of RAM, to deal with the servers warring against each other. Its completely stupid....
[21:31]	DaemonFC	...Someone...
[21:31]	DaemonFC	...told me that Matrix.org is just another way to say Reddit, but its much worse."
[21:41]	phanes	lol @ matrix.org
[21:41]	phanes	yeah fedora uses matrix.org and liberia as its communication medium
[21:41]	phanes	its working out exactly as well as that sounds
[21:43]	phanes	mjg59_: have you shaved your head and eyebrows in your spiraling rage yet
[21:43]	phanes	AFAF
[21:45]	TR News	http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/georg-weber-swpats-imposter/
[21:45]	TR Bot	 The EPO Bubble Part XI The Viennese ICT Patent Orchestrator | Techrights
[21:48]	britney	I like Matrix and Element
[21:50]	phanes	hexchat seems like a good middle ground 
[21:50]	phanes	bitlbee back in the day was the bomb
[21:50]	britney	hexchat is awesome
[21:55]	britney	pidgin back in the day was bomb
[21:55]	britney	it was cool having one program with all the protocols in it
[21:56]	britney	now im using a gigabyte of ram having discord and element both loaded
[21:56]	MinceR	i prefer irssi
[21:56]	MinceR	though if i implemented a few fixes, weechat could be even better
[21:57]	TR News	Monetising the EPOs Granting Authority by Abusing This Authority and Violating the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/monetising-the-attack-on-epc/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/monetising-the-attack-on-epc/
[21:57]	TR Bot	 Monetising the EPOs Granting Authority by Abusing This Authority and Violating the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights
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[22:04]	britney	irssi is nice but I found it annoying checking the scrollback without a mouse
[22:05]	TR News	[Meme] Getting Promoted to Head of National Delegation at the European Patent Organisation (EPO) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-affairs/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-affairs/
[22:05]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Getting Promoted to Head of National Delegation at the European Patent Organisation (EPO) | Techrights
[22:08]	DaemonFC	5,537 words
[22:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	wow
[22:17]	TR News	[Meme] Sustainable European Patent Office (EPO) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-not-sustainable/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-not-sustainable/
[22:17]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Sustainable European Patent Office (EPO) | Techrights
[22:22]	DaemonFC	Managed to trim it. 5,415
[22:25]	TR News	freenode has 1.5 more channels than "users" (e.g. bots) online https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode
[22:25]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	reading 100 word properly can take a  minute
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	1000 ten minutes
[22:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	you now have a one-hour read
[22:29]	DaemonFC	:/
[22:29]	DaemonFC	I'm still trying to figure out how to add a search engine.
[22:29]	DaemonFC	Probably about:config.
[22:30]	techuser	britney: there is probably a script/module to add mouse wheel scrolling
[22:30]	DaemonFC	I remember schestowitz used to just use Thumnderbrowse.
[22:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	yes
[22:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	they broke it
[22:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	like everything else
[22:32]	TR News	ZINCHENKO is going https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/oleksandr-zinchenko-goodbye-interview-manchester-city-63793944
[22:32]	TR Bot	 Zinchenko: I am so grateful to City and the Clubs amazing fans
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[22:34]	DaemonFC	It's really stupid to have a full web engine in an email client and then not allow web browsing.
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[22:35]	DaemonFC	schestowitz Didn't Mitchell Baker insult people who wanted to use Thunderbird a while back.
[22:35]	DaemonFC	Like "Everyone uses webmail anyway. Who cares if it's broken?".
[22:35]	DaemonFC	That sort of sentiment.
[22:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	that was ages ago
[22:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	when she tried to rationalise not doing thunderbird anymore
[22:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	while gulag (gmail) paid her salary
[22:36]	britney	techuser, maybe but i fell in love with hexchat
[22:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2021/08/13/thunderbird-focus/
[22:36]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Should Focus on Improving Thunderbird and Fixing Bugs Instead of Eradicating Innocuous Words | Techrights
[22:37]	DaemonFC	https://groups.google.com/g/mozilla.governance/c/kAyVlhfEcXg
[22:37]	TR Bot	 Thunderbird, the future, mozilla-central and comm-central
[22:37]	DaemonFC	"Paying a tax" to support other applications.
[22:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/03/05/alphabetgulag-is-closing-down-tightening-the-screws-in-the-name-of-security/
[22:37]	TR Bot	 Alphabet/Gulag is Closing Down (Tightening the Screws in the Name of Security) | Techrights
[22:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[22:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	A few days ago a longtime GMail used [sic] told us that Google [is] effectively pulling the plug on Thunderbird, "
[22:39]	britney	schestowitz[TR2], they pulled the plug on alpine mail
[22:39]	TR News	Google Chrome OS Flex: Breathe New Life Into Old Computer https://www.ubuntupit.com/google-chrome-os-flex-breathe-new-life-into-old-computer/ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/google-chrome-os-flex-breathe-new-life-into-old-computer/
[22:39]	TR Bot	 Google Chrome OS Flex: Breathe New Life Into Old Computer
[22:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	linus torvalds said he uses webmail now
[22:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	in passinf
[22:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	in rhe LF BS video
[22:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	that was like 4 years ago
[22:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	here: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jYUZAF3ePFE
[22:40]	TR Bot	 Linus Torvalds Guided Tour of His Home Office - Invidious
[22:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	he says webmail
[22:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	when I corresponded with him he still used alpine
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[22:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	wanna bet ZemlinPAC now compels him to use proprietary crap?
[22:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	or face consequences
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[22:42]	TR News	Acromag XMC-7A50-AP323 - An XMC module based on AMD Xilinx Artix-7 FPGA - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/22/acromag-xmc-7a50-ap323-an-xmc-module-based-on-amd-xilinx-artix-7-fpga/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/22/acromag-xmc-7a50-ap323-an-xmc-module-based-on-amd-xilinx-artix-7-fpga/
[22:42]	TR Bot	 Acromag XMC-7A50-AP323 - An XMC module based on AMD Xilinx Artix-7 FPGA - CNX Software
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[22:43]	TR News	TurboPrint? https://www.reallinuxuser.com/make-color-accurate-prints-in-linux-with-turboprint/
[22:44]	TR Bot	 Make color accurate prints in Linux with TurboPrint - Real Linux User
[22:44]	TR News	Yocto training course updated to Kirkstone release - Bootlin's blog https://bootlin.com/blog/yocto-training-course-updated-to-kirkstone-release/ Source: bootlin | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bootlin.com/blog/yocto-training-course-updated-to-kirkstone-release/
[22:44]	TR Bot	training course updated to Kirkstone release - Bootlin's blog
[22:45]	TR News	9 useful code snippets for everyday JavaScript development || Part 1 - DEV Community https://dev.to/swastikyadav/9-useful-code-snippets-for-everyday-javascript-development-part-1-478a Source: dev | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dev.to/swastikyadav/9-useful-code-snippets-for-everyday-javascript-development-part-1-478a
[22:45]	TR Bot	 9 useful code snippets for everyday JavaScript development || Part 1 - DEV Community
[22:46]	TR News	Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.5 RC 7 https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-5-rc-7 Source: godotengine | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-5-rc-7
[22:46]	TR Bot	 Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.5 RC 7
[22:47]	TR News	Debconf 22 photos | Aigarius Blog http://aigarius.com/blog/2022/07/22/debconf22-photos/ Source: aigarius | http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/
[22:47]	TR Bot	22 photos | Aigarius Blog
[22:47]	TR Bot	 Debian Takes Money From Microsoft an Epic Mistake | Techrights
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[22:49]	TR News	Stupid, boring, lousy buzzword for selling more complexity https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/modernization-making-business-case
[22:49]	TR Bot	 Modernization: Making a business case
[22:49]	britney	I use evolution because it works well importing and exporting mbox
[22:49]	britney	and it feels less bloated than thunderbird
[22:49]	TR News	This Week in Mozilla Surveillance: Python Environment Freshness Data@Mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2022/07/22/this-week-in-data-python-environment-freshness/ Source: Mozilla | WWW | FreeSW | Firefox | Internet |
[22:49]	TR Bot	 This Week in Data: Python Environment Freshness Data@Mozilla
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[22:50]	TR News	Sustainability of the EPO has become highly doubtful in light of inability to recruit examiners in line with the European Patent Convention (EPC), which the EPO violates in a lot of ways http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-not-sustainable/
[22:50]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Sustainable European Patent Office (EPO) | Techrights
[22:51]	TR News	In todays European Patent Office (EPO) the nepotism has become so rampant that having an affair with an EPO Vice-President can help one become a Head of Delegation http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-affairs/
[22:51]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Getting Promoted to Head of National Delegation at the European Patent Organisation (EPO) | Techrights
[22:51]	TR News	In an effort to collect fees as fast as possible, regardless of the long-term consequences, the European Patent Office routinely violates the European Patent Convention (EPC); this is becoming a stain on Germanys image, but it is also a milking cow http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/monetising-the-attack-on-epc/
[22:51]	TR Bot	 Monetising the EPOs Granting Authority by Abusing This Authority and Violating the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights
[22:51]	TR News	Benot Battistelli increased grant rates of software patents from 2% to 10% and Antnio Campinos plans to make another five-fold (or higher!) increase, in effect violating the European Patent Convention (EPC) by granting lots of invalid European Patents which help maintain an otherwise-fast-imploding bubble http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/georg-weber-swpats-imposter/
[22:51]	TR Bot	 The EPO Bubble Part XI The Viennese ICT Patent Orchestrator | Techrights
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[22:52]	TR News	Theranos patents, granted by the European Patent Office and then further glorified in an award ceremony, helped legitimise a major fraud and a scam that actually killed a lot of people and impeded actual research http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/fake-patents-with-awards/
[22:52]	TR Bot	 [Meme] Award-winning Fake Patents | Techrights
[22:52]	TR News	PR gaffe Campinos cannot contain or control his mouth, yet the Administrative Council, which he bribes, reappointed him as EPO President last month (he had no actual competition!) http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/temper-tantrump/
[22:52]	TR Bot	 [Meme/Video] Another Temper Tantrump From Antnio Campinos | Techrights
[22:52]	TR News	Razik Menidjel rallies the EPO troops to help his master, Antnio Campinos, hide the bubble's rapid implosion (dooming the EPO for several reasons) http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/meme-the-sinking-ship/
[22:52]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Sinking Ship? | Techrights
[22:53]	TR News	Antnio Campinos thinks that the EPO is a bank (Mr. Campinos used to work for a controversial bank before posing as "IP" guru) http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/epo-as-pot-of-gold/
[22:53]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The EPOs Pot o Gold | Techrights
[22:53]	DaemonFC	"Or you can go to Firefox, for whatever that's worth, as Mitchell Baker turned the program into something that's just a damned pest. It's why they're losing their users. At the same time, several years ago, Mitchell Baker attacked the entire concept of supporting other use cases involving Gecko, essentially accusing them of parasitism ("why should we pay a tax blah blah blah"). This is, of...
[22:53]	DaemonFC	...course, back before Mozilla itself stopped "dogfooding", using their own technologies, conducting development in the open, where people could participate. A lot of the development now goes on in proprietary malicious platforms, like Discord (they shut down their IRC server) and GitHub (instead of NNTP newsgroups and BugZilla). They've been closing out what's left of the community, firing...
[22:53]	DaemonFC	...people, and outsourcing to Microsoft and Google. "
[22:53]	DaemonFC	"One more reason why SeaMonkey deserves consideration is because they conduct development and discussion openly. You can just open ChatZilla and point it to Libera Chat and join #SeaMonkey and you're talking to the developers and community, and you don't need to create some sort of Microsoft account and participate in this major fraud and parody of "open source" that Mozilla has created."
[22:53]	DaemonFC	"Baker also said they would be "laser focused" on Firefox. Instead, they fire engineers and keep "Diversity and Inclusion" people, and the Mozilla Foundation has turned into a political party calling for more Web censorship and Cancel Culture. So much "Free and Open Source" software today is endangered by letting in people who should have never been there in the first place. Mitchell Baker...
[22:53]	DaemonFC	...is "Exhibit A"."
[22:53]	DaemonFC	"What's going wrong is that the far-left crowd, which is a hate group, has commandeered these communities, thrown in with the enemies like Microsoft and Google (who want FOSS to be in turmoil so that they can sit back, laugh, and watch us destroy each other), and the idea of people of good conscience being able to have disagreements isn't tolerated. This is why Mozilla and Matrix.org are a...
[22:53]	DaemonFC	...match made in Hell and deserve each other."
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[22:56]	DaemonFC	"20 years ago, FOSS was a different beast entirely. It was fun. It was novel. You could make tasteful jokes. In #techrights IRC yesterday, I pointed out that there is a program, now called GNOME Planner, that used to be called MrProject. The joke was that Microsoft had a MS Project. Today, this sort of thing is considered "inappropriate" and gets censored out as "offensive". It's offensive...
[22:56]	DaemonFC	...for some on the left that there are men and women, so they have to stop you from referencing that, even in a joke."
[22:57]	DaemonFC	Mr. GULAG would probably have a stroke if he saw a Mr and MS Project today.
[22:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	project offends?
[22:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	who? why?
[22:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	are they proijecting?
[22:57]	DaemonFC	People like Gulag.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	Who think there's 27 genders or something.
[22:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	pro-ject?
[22:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	what is the offence?
[22:58]	DaemonFC	There isn't one, so they'll create one and then be offended.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	Then they'll be offended for other people as well.
[22:58]	DaemonFC	Then if you say chill out, they'll ask why you support rape culture.
[22:58]	TR News	OMG! This is stupid. Even if they paid me a million bucks I'd not have this at home. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/facebook-portal-video-calling-display/
[22:58]	TR Bot	 Save 72% on a Meta Portal Video Calling Display - Make Tech Easier
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 7.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[22:59]	TR News	The Dell XPS Developer Edition Will Soon Arrive With Ubuntu Linux 22.04 - Slashdot http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34416
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[23:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	a lot gets you classified as pro-rape now
[23:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	1) doing science into the statsitcs
[23:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	2) having an opinion
[23:00]	TR Bot	 Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
[23:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	3) being in an IRC channel that mentions some names
[23:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	4) being male and young enough to be capable of "manhandling" a woman
[23:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	in Twitter they can use innuendoo
[23:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	so anyone is a suspect
[23:02]	DaemonFC	"Such as how Matthew Garrett, who participated in Microsoft's attacks on GNU/Linux, goes after Richard Stallman and Ted T'so using trumped up allegations which are bullshit.
[23:02]	DaemonFC	Firefox isn't fun anymore because Mozilla has gone to the dark side."
[23:04]	DaemonFC	Collaborating with Pale Moon on Goanna probably isn't an option.
[23:05]	DaemonFC	"M.C. Straver" hid the source code for an entire release and started putting out tarballs as he made releases, with no explanation of what he did.
[23:06]	psydruid	How long will it take for Mozilla to drop Gecko and eventually Firefox?
[23:08]	TR News	xkcd: Physics Cost-Saving Tips https://xkcd.com/2649/
[23:08]	TR Bot	Physics Cost-Saving Tips
[23:08]	MinceR	pale moon is shit too
[23:08]	DaemonFC	Yeah.
[23:08]	MinceR	and gecko is already irrelevant, along with failfox
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[23:08]	MinceR	failfox was losing ground to crashium even before mozilla decided to ruin it
[23:08]	MinceR	i don't know what they expected
[23:09]		*phanes hears M.C. Straver and starts playing his wrestler intro theme
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[23:09]	MinceR	"MC Escher's my favorite MC"
[23:12]	DaemonFC	It's better to ignore Shitter.
[23:12]	DaemonFC	Eventually it's just a bunch of Microshit trolls and people who bend over for them talking to themselves.
[23:14]	TR News	Microsoft keeps bribing Daniel Stenberg in all sorts of way for Curl to remain a prisoner of Microsoft GitHub, and to keep users/contributors too prisoners of such proprietary software https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/07/22/microsoft-foss-fund-winner-curl/
[23:14]	TR Bot	FOSS Fund Winner: curl | daniel.haxx.se
[23:16]	TR News	New committer: Dmitry Salychev (src) https://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash/#2022-06-29:1
[23:16]	TR Bot	 FreeBSD News Flash | The FreeBSD Project
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[23:18]	TR News	"Microsoft FOSS Fund" = bribery program to interfere with Free software communities, keeping them captive
[23:20]	TR News	Watch a Deep-Sea Squid Carry Hundreds of Pearl-Like Eggs | Smart News| Smithsonian Magazine https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/watch-a-deep-sea-squid-carry-hundreds-of-pearl-like-eggs-180980396/ Source: smithsonianmag
[23:20]	TR Bot	 Watch a Deep-Sea Squid Carry Hundreds of Pearl-Like Eggs | Smart News| Smithsonian Magazine
[23:21]	TR News	Getting Linux onto a non-approved [by Microsoft criminals] laptop - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/22/linux_nonapproved_laptop/ Source: theregister | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/07/22/linux_nonapproved_laptop/
[23:21]	TR Bot	 Getting Linux onto a non-approved laptop The Register
[23:23]	TR News	Don't be a Microsoft apologist. You can be forgiving, but don't be stupid, dumb, gullible, Criminals will never be your friends unless you participate in their crimes.
[23:23]	TR News	And as many Microsoft "partners" found out, you can never trust criminals, even when they pretend to be your "friends"...
[23:31]	TR News	Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.13 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167545
[23:31]	TR Bot	 Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.13 | Tux Machines
[23:31]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167546
[23:31]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: stop sayiing mozilla is all policitcs
[23:32]	psydruid	Microsoft Slush Fund
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	see what they have just published in their blog
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	oops. bug
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	<a href="https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/firefox-presents-nerdcore-rap-lex-the-lexicon-artist/">Firefox Presents: A nerdcore rap artist defying expectations</a>
[23:32]	TR Bot	 Firefox Presents: A nerdcore rap artist defying expectations
[23:32]	psydruid	lol
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	not about tech
[23:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	theykeep posting fluff
[23:33]	psydruid	it's all Chinese to me
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[23:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	"<p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Noto Sans'; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.4); -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">She said she was drawn to hip-hop artists as a young perso
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	n because of how they conveyed their unfiltered emotions.</p><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">"
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	darn
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's barrier or synergy bug
[23:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	plus, programs trying to copy as html
[23:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	iphonre= firefox
[23:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	music=firefox
[23:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	I am an artist and I hate myself! 
[23:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	so use firefox
[23:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	that'll fix it
[23:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	"She raps about her psychology degree while referencing Descartes
[23:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	"
[23:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	Firefox!
[23:35]	britney	whats with all the firefox hate
[23:36]	TR News	Mozilla's blog is totally out of touch with tech https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/firefox-presents-nerdcore-rap-lex-the-lexicon-artist/
[23:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	britney: the people who manage it destroy it
[23:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	along with the brand
[23:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	like "linux" foundation
[23:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	they help themselves
[23:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	bonuses and all
[23:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	they don't care about the products or the brands
[23:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's all just graft
[23:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/07/07/baker-salaries/
[23:38]	TR Bot	 This Month Mozilla Firefox Reached Its Lowest Share (Just 3%), But CEO Baker Made a Fortune (Especially When Mozilla Sank) | Techrights
[23:38]	TR News	Krita, a sneak peek into the upcoming Pepper&Carrot episode. https://www.davidrevoy.com/article919/episode-37-production-report-part-2
[23:38]	TR Bot	 Episode 37 Production report, part 2. - David Revoy
[23:39]	TR News	Victorias Secret and Jeffrey Epstein https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/07/press/victorias-secret-angels-and-demons/
[23:39]	TR Bot	 Victoria's Secret - Angels and Demons
[23:41]	TR News	Lex Gill Appears before Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/07/lex-gill-appears-before-standing-senate-committee-on-national-security-and-defence/ Source: citizenlab
[23:41]	TR Bot	 Lex Gill Appears before Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence - The Citizen Lab
[23:42]	TR News	"Heres your weekly Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whats coming up. Your contributions are welcome (see the end of the post)!" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-29/
[23:42]	TR Bot	 Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-29 Fedora Community Blog
[23:42]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/22072033
[23:42]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/403jehnfqzb91.jpg created on 2022-07-20 12:05:39.930702
[23:43]	TR News	SharkWire: The Nintendo 64s GameShark-Operated Online Service https://tedium.co/2022/07/22/sharkwire-nintendo-64-online-service/ Source: tedium | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tedium.co/2022/07/22/sharkwire-nintendo-64-online-service/
[23:43]	TR Bot	 SharkWire: The Nintendo 64s GameShark-Operated Online Service
[23:47]	psydruid	Firefox got Gulaged
[23:48]	psydruid	introducing architecture-specific DRM schemes tying you to certain hardware for watching media and playing games
[23:48]	TR News	"Rocky Linux 9 is out, therefore its time to build new Packer images." https://www.lisenet.com/2022/rocky-linux-9-kernel-panic-on-packer-launched-qemu-kvm/
[23:48]	TR Bot	Linux 9 Kernel Panic on Packer Launched qemu-kvm | Lisenet.com :: Linux | Security | Networking
[23:48]	schestowitz[TR2]	The Gulag got firefox
[23:51]	TR News	"We have the great benefit that scraping GMI files is pretty trivial since them are essentially linear text organized per lines." gemini://station.martinrue.com/haze/d07812590b7549e98d1530bce91856af
[23:51]	TR News	MoonGem 2.2 - Script Mode gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/61
[23:52]	TR News	My incomplete bilingual Capsule gemini://gmi.derschwarzestrahler.at/en/gemlog/incomplete-bilingual.gmi
[23:53]	TR News	I love email gemini://sud0nim.smol.pub/i-love-email
[23:53]	DaemonFC	I don't need Widevine to load BitTorrent sites.
[23:53]	DaemonFC	It's just more incentive to use BitTorrent sites instead.
[23:54]	TR News	"Email is private. Email is not defacto controlled by any one company. Email is time tested. Email is powerful. I love email!" gemini://sud0nim.smol.pub/i-love-email
[23:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	baker loves gmail
[23:54]	DaemonFC	Back when YouTube used Flash I installed Flash, then I blocked it from loading for anything but YouTube.
[23:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	now you ned te same for JS ;-p
[23:55]	DaemonFC	schestowitz Part of AOL/Netscape's marketing campaign was Web Standards.
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[23:56]	DaemonFC	They took out a bunch of ads in Wired and then had Wired coordinate it to switch to Standards Compliant Mode at the same time.
[23:56]	DaemonFC	https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.wired.com%252Fstory%252Fafter-roe-men-might-finally-get-better-birth-control%252F
[23:56]	TR Bot	 Gemini Portal
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[23:58]	TR News	The Debian Project is not weakened by people who SPEAK about problems inside Debian (esp. leadership blunders). The Debian Project is weakened by those whom the former group cautions and speaks about. Don't blame messengers.
[23:59]	DaemonFC	The entire page translated into GemText and back to HTML from that is 14.7 KB.
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	salvaged
[23:59]	DaemonFC	schestowitz You could use this to deal with news sites on a 56k Modem if you were still using one.
[23:59]	DaemonFC	And it would be acceptably fast.