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| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: And......it's gone. | Sep 22 01:21 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Still opens for me. | Sep 22 01:21 |
| *XRevan86 was puzzled by schestowitz's accent (mentioned it before), now knows of a Lancashire dialect and it all makes sense now. | Sep 22 01:24 | |
| XRevan86 | Which covers Manchester | Sep 22 01:25 |
| XRevan86 | England is so diverse on accents it's even hard to grasp the general idea | Sep 22 01:30 |
| XRevan86 | Interesting that Wikipedia states that the variety prevalent in Manchester itself uses -iŋk for -ing, but a persistent pattern I hear is the exact opposite: thiŋ (like thing) for think | Sep 22 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, it was a South Park reference. | Sep 22 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, my comparison points not to "southern North Midland", but to "west Northern" | Sep 22 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stan puts his money in an investment account after the guy at the bank says he should invest it, and the guy says "Aaaaaand, it's gone.". | Sep 22 01:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 22 01:47 |
| schestowitz | [21:40] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz Stallman talked about a financial transaction tax. The idea has come up in Illinois, but no serious consideration. | Sep 22 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | >Broughton-in-Furness, Cark-in-Cartmel, Caton, Cockerham, Coniston, Dalton, Heysham, High Nibthwaite, Hornby, Lancaster, Lower Holker, Newton-in-Furness, Quernmore, Skerton, Ulverston All of Westmorland. Parts of east Cumberland, south Durham and north-west Yorkshire | Sep 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz | Greey Party talks about it | Sep 22 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | Which would put schestowitz somewhere there | Sep 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz | pleroma.site is down/broken | Sep 22 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | Sorry for analysing speech so much | Sep 22 01:48 |
| schestowitz | [20:51] <DaemonFC[m]> Mandy caught another shoplifter. | Sep 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | well done | Sep 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I can do many accents | Sep 22 01:49 |
| schestowitz | hm... maybe I'll wait for the site to come back before posting | Sep 22 01:50 |
| XRevan86 | > https://youtu.be/hePBRAjGOHs I looked at this | Sep 22 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roy Schestowitz: Publisher of Techrights and Tux Machines - YouTube | Sep 22 01:50 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, that's what I heard :) | Sep 22 01:55 |
| schestowitz | pleroma.site online but in broken state | Sep 22 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Sometimes you say "patent", sometimes "parents". Is that a common sound shift? | Sep 22 01:57 |
| *XRevan86 walks on thin ice making people self-conscious. | Sep 22 01:58 | |
| *MinceR used to use the ThinIce theme engine | Sep 22 01:59 | |
| *XRevan86 can't tell Russian dialects apart all that well. | Sep 22 02:03 | |
| XRevan86 | Except the Southern ones (Kubañ), and very Northern ones. | Sep 22 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | and the old-fashioned Moscow one | Sep 22 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | apparently there are many varieties around timbre, so to speak, but I don't pick up on that | Sep 22 02:09 |
| XRevan86 | or tempo | Sep 22 02:16 |
| XRevan86 | maybe the word I'm looking for is rhythm | Sep 22 02:19 |
| smnthermes | > Software patents are a relatively new and anomalous segment of the patent system. | Sep 22 02:20 |
| smnthermes | > Roy Schestowitz is either a paid hack, financed by those who would like to neuter patent law and relegate the patent system to a rich man's/corporate privilege (those with the most powerful lawyers win); or, he is just incredibly ignorant of the patent system, both in its history and in its judiciary basis. | Sep 22 02:20 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 22 02:21 |
| smnthermes | - written by Odysseus in there https://youtu.be/hePBRAjGOHs | Sep 22 02:22 |
| schestowitz | [01:57] <XRevan86> schestowitz: Sometimes you say "patent", sometimes "parents". Is that a common sound shift? | Sep 22 02:22 |
| smnthermes | https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=hePBRAjGOHs | Sep 22 02:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | Roy Schestowitz: Publisher of Techrights and Tux Machines - Invidious | Sep 22 02:22 | |
| schestowitz | no, if I mean patents I always say patents, maybe it doesn't always sound like that | Sep 22 02:22 |
| smnthermes | Invidious shows comments without JS | Sep 22 02:22 |
| schestowitz | the pronunciation varies, some say PA-tents, some say Pay-tents | Sep 22 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: 6:24 | Sep 22 02:33 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't point to a vowel, I point to the first "t". | Sep 22 02:36 |
| XRevan86 | "t" is a weird pear in English, but I've never heard it shift to a rhotic. | Sep 22 02:39 |
| XRevan86 | Although the alveolar tap Americans often use is also a rhotic. | Sep 22 02:46 |
| XRevan86 | In words like "water" and "butter". | Sep 22 02:48 |
| XRevan86 | * alveolar flap | Sep 22 02:52 |
| schestowitz | some English dialects make it silent | Sep 22 02:53 |
| schestowitz | you'd heard things like | Sep 22 02:53 |
| schestowitz | COMP. YOU. AH. | Sep 22 02:53 |
| schestowitz | Or | Sep 22 02:53 |
| schestowitz | COMP. YOU. teehhhr... | Sep 22 02:53 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That's called "glottal stop" | Sep 22 02:53 |
| schestowitz | the former pronunciation can be a bit funny unless you're used to it | Sep 22 02:54 |
| schestowitz | The intonation on the "AH" in particular | Sep 22 02:54 |
| schestowitz | "ter becomes "AH" on "OH" | Sep 22 02:54 |
| XRevan86 | So not completely nothing, there's something going on in the throat | Sep 22 02:54 |
| schestowitz | with the throat, too | Sep 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | bah-ah | Sep 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | =butter | Sep 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | or bo-ah | Sep 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | Ameican don't read the u in the same way | Sep 22 02:55 |
| schestowitz | butt can be bott | Sep 22 02:56 |
| schestowitz | with silent t | Sep 22 02:56 |
| schestowitz | so butt is just "bo" | Sep 22 02:56 |
| schestowitz | with the throrat | Sep 22 02:56 |
| schestowitz | I can do those accents well (and did until I was 18) | Sep 22 02:56 |
| schestowitz | it sounded kind of weird, so overnight I practised changing that | Sep 22 02:57 |
| schestowitz | there's no "English accents", there are many of them | Sep 22 02:57 |
| schestowitz | Scouce is hilarious | Sep 22 02:57 |
| schestowitz | it's the same in Wigan | Sep 22 02:57 |
| schestowitz | it barely sounds like English when it's deep | Sep 22 02:57 |
| schestowitz | sometimes about Irish immigration impacting the accent and dialect | Sep 22 02:58 |
| schestowitz | Native Welsh speakers can sound like German exchange srudents | Sep 22 02:58 |
| schestowitz | some Scots can sound like Russians | Sep 22 02:59 |
| schestowitz | Aberdeen accent is kind of unique | Sep 22 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/knpQRhNHUUE?t=58 | Sep 22 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Classification on Android Tablet - Part 1 - YouTube | Sep 22 02:59 | |
| schestowitz | Alex Ferguson and one of my lecturers (on database) had it | Sep 22 02:59 |
| schestowitz | but anyway | Sep 22 02:59 |
| schestowitz | enough about accents, let's focus on the tech | Sep 22 03:00 |
| XRevan86 | "some Scots can sound like Russians" – because of the trill? | Sep 22 03:00 |
| schestowitz | pleroma still broken: | Sep 22 03:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 22 03:01 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/test-mac-os-8-linux/">How test out Mac OS 8 on Linux</a></h5></li> | Sep 22 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How test out Mac OS 8 on Linux | Sep 22 03:01 | |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="https://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/spotify-system-tray-linux/">How to send Spotify to the system tray on Linux</a></h5></li> | Sep 22 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | How to send Spotify to the system tray on Linux | Sep 22 03:01 | |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="https://www.linuxbabe.com/debian/osm-nominatim-geocoding-server-debian-10">How to Set Up OSM Nominatim Geocoding Server on Debian 10</a></h5></li> | Sep 22 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxbabe.com | How to Set Up OSM Nominatim Geocoding Server on Debian 10 | Sep 22 03:01 | |
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| schestowitz | [Tuesday, 22 September 2020] [03:01:44 BST]<schestowitz> oops | Sep 22 03:02 |
| schestowitz | [Tuesday, 22 September 2020] [03:01:46 BST]<schestowitz> sorry | Sep 22 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | re: butt – probably travelled the same path as "son" – from "sun" to "son" to "san" | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | today's howtos | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142387 | Sep 22 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 22 03:04 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Released With More Phones Supported, UI Improvements | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142386 | Sep 22 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Released With More Phones Supported, UI Improvements | Tux Machines | Sep 22 03:04 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | RISC-V embedded variant RV32E supported by SEGGER's floating-point library http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142363#comment-26464 | Sep 22 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Risc-V RV32E variant gets Segger’s floating-point library | Tux Machines | Sep 22 03:04 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | Announcement of the passing of Jari Fredriksson | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142385 | Sep 22 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcement of the passing of Jari Fredriksson | Tux Machines | Sep 22 03:04 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 03:04 |
| schestowitz | #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142384 | Sep 22 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Sep 22 03:05 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 03:05 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: some say it looks soon | Sep 22 03:06 |
| schestowitz | or soun | Sep 22 03:06 |
| schestowitz | "ma soun" | Sep 22 03:06 |
| schestowitz | I like dialects as they tell you a lot about people's background | Sep 22 03:06 |
| schestowitz | like in the US you can tell people's ethnicity sometimes based on dialect and slang | Sep 22 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I used original Latin meanings of the vowel letters | Sep 22 03:06 |
| schestowitz | in the UK it says something about class and place of birth | Sep 22 03:07 |
| schestowitz | more than it does about ethnicity | Sep 22 03:07 |
| schestowitz | unless their mother's tongue isn't English | Sep 22 03:07 |
| schestowitz | so you can pick up HK bits, Pakistan bits | Sep 22 03:07 |
| schestowitz | Jamaican is a giveaway | Sep 22 03:07 |
| XRevan86 | So "sun" as in "soon", "son" as in "con", "san" as in "done" | Sep 22 03:08 |
| schestowitz | languages are BS anyway | Sep 22 03:08 |
| schestowitz | in a sense | Sep 22 03:08 |
| schestowitz | they say little about people's beliefs and stuff | Sep 22 03:08 |
| schestowitz | and people obssess a lot about them | Sep 22 03:08 |
| schestowitz | "I agree with this person, but her/his accent..." | Sep 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | (or voice) | Sep 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | RMS has a unique voice | Sep 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | which barely changed since he was a teen | Sep 22 03:09 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: His signing is pretty neat | Sep 22 03:09 |
| schestowitz | maybe coz he does not smoke | Sep 22 03:10 |
| schestowitz | my head is getting filled with things I want to say, but why are we talking so off-topic? | Sep 22 03:10 |
| smnthermes | https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw | Sep 22 03:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | Richard Stallman Free software Song - Invidious | Sep 22 03:10 | |
| schestowitz | I was gonna say lots of things about British accents, but forgot... it's set adrift now | Sep 22 03:11 |
| schestowitz | I asked RMS yesterday if he wants to do an interview with us | Sep 22 03:11 |
| schestowitz | so far only automated reply | Sep 22 03:11 |
| schestowitz | but I have not checked email in half a day | Sep 22 03:11 |
| schestowitz | I said we need to talk about non-FS issues | Sep 22 03:12 |
| schestowitz | to avoid the controversy | Sep 22 03:12 |
| schestowitz | privacy amid COVID is one possibility | Sep 22 03:12 |
| schestowitz | cash payments etc. | Sep 22 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Theme being digital freedom without dealing with GNU, FSF, other sensitive topics | Sep 22 03:12 |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung tried touching these | Sep 22 03:13 |
| schestowitz | and RMS eloped | Sep 22 03:13 |
| schestowitz | the howling hyena inside and outside gnu might take what he says out of context to push some more for ostracising him | Sep 22 03:13 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, accents can't tell much about what a person is about, unless they're very average. | Sep 22 03:15 |
| schestowitz | same for clothing | Sep 22 03:20 |
| schestowitz | I fancy that analogy although clothes are a choice, partlyu | Sep 22 03:20 |
| schestowitz | with cultural diffs notwithstanding | Sep 22 03:20 |
| schestowitz | accents do, for most people, stick since toddler daya | Sep 22 03:21 |
| schestowitz | *days | Sep 22 03:21 |
| schestowitz | I changed mine around age 17 | Sep 22 03:21 |
| schestowitz | stopped British accent | Sep 22 03:21 |
| XRevan86 | My interest is more in the area of understanding the language better, both in a sense of linguistics and in a sense of what the heck one person or another is even saying. Because not everyone speaks average English, so boundaries have to be explored and tested. | Sep 22 03:21 |
| schestowitz | With Trump being the face of US/American English, I can revert back | Sep 22 03:21 |
| schestowitz | I have an Iranian friend who fakes her accent to sound British | Sep 22 03:22 |
| schestowitz | which she does quite well btw | Sep 22 03:22 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't need to fake to sound British-y, not sure how that came to be. | Sep 22 03:23 | |
| schestowitz | [03:21] <XRevan86> My interest is more in the area of understanding the language better, both in a sense of linguistics and in a sense of what the heck one person or another is even saying. Because not everyone speaks average English, so boundaries have to be explored and tested. | Sep 22 03:23 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday I asked Rianne, will English last our lifetime as 'universal' language? | Sep 22 03:23 |
| schestowitz | We talked about people in other countries who don't speak any English | Sep 22 03:23 |
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| schestowitz | The Internet helped make English universal | Sep 22 03:23 |
| schestowitz | more so than British Empire did | Sep 22 03:23 |
| schestowitz | even many in China and India now speak English, out of need | Sep 22 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Spanish is still big, esp. in terms of nations who speak it | Sep 22 03:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, that is the case. And I'm pretty sure it will last that long. | Sep 22 03:24 |
| schestowitz | number of people, Portuguese, Tamil langs and Mandarin are also big | Sep 22 03:24 |
| schestowitz | French not as big | Sep 22 03:24 |
| schestowitz | so hard to see or envision what can replace English as 'universal' | Sep 22 03:25 |
| schestowitz | Russian only occupies lots of "land" | Sep 22 03:25 |
| schestowitz | but much of it frozen | Sep 22 03:25 |
| schestowitz | (in winter anyway) | Sep 22 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | Russian shrinks pretty fast. | Sep 22 03:25 |
| schestowitz | Even Russians speak English abroad | Sep 22 03:26 |
| schestowitz | yet nobody in west Europe and US studies Russian | Sep 22 03:26 |
| schestowitz | Greece's population is shrinking | Sep 22 03:26 |
| XRevan86 | It's losing its status as a lingua franca and English takes its place. | Sep 22 03:26 |
| schestowitz | many people seem to have fled if they could after the financial collapse | Sep 22 03:26 |
| XRevan86 | Spanish and Chinese are the closest it seems. | Sep 22 03:27 |
| schestowitz | which Chinese though? | Sep 22 03:27 |
| schestowitz | Cantonese is not the same | Sep 22 03:27 |
| XRevan86 | Putunhua | Sep 22 03:28 |
| schestowitz | and Taiwan has its own, too, with overlaps | Sep 22 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Apparently Taiwan has a very similar standard, which is surprising considering how diverse Chinese languages get. | Sep 22 03:29 |
| XRevan86 | So the dialect of Beijing. | Sep 22 03:30 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how to sense the differences | Sep 22 03:34 |
| schestowitz | I can differentiate dialects in other languages if I know some of their words and accents, but not China | Sep 22 03:35 |
| schestowitz | "they all sound the same to me..." | Sep 22 03:35 |
| XRevan86 | Oh, Beijing was the capital back then as well, that explains it. The Han colonised Taiwan and forced Putunghua on everyone, hence why it's the same dialect there as in Beijing. | Sep 22 03:37 |
| schestowitz | does not seem like pleroma.site will be fixed by morning time (France time, it's based there) | Sep 22 03:43 |
| schestowitz | seems like an internal breakage, not mere downtimes (on/off switch) | Sep 22 03:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I don't know Chinese one bit, so I won't tell dialects apart either way. However, I bet non-tonal accents sound differently. I pretty much tell Chinese by the tonality. | Sep 22 03:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe | Sep 22 03:44 |
| schestowitz | I noticed differences | Sep 22 03:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: So, you have access to the control panel? | Sep 22 03:44 |
| schestowitz | esp. how they pronounce X/S | Sep 22 03:44 |
| schestowitz | and the whistling, but that might be related to class rather than place | Sep 22 03:44 |
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| schestowitz | IIRC, Taiwan inhabitants immigrated to separate from China for some political reason, so they're in effect Chinese in origin and have commonality in roots | Sep 22 03:45 |
| schestowitz | maybe they're coming from Beijing's province | Sep 22 03:45 |
| schestowitz | they don't teach Chinese history here, at all... | Sep 22 03:46 |
| schestowitz | like CHina did not exist until we started importing stuff from there.. | Sep 22 03:46 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The crown moved from Beijing | Sep 22 03:46 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: no, pleroma.site is not my site | Sep 22 03:46 |
| XRevan86 | * administration | Sep 22 03:48 |
| schestowitz | cannot access it | Sep 22 03:49 |
| schestowitz | Re: Conspiracy meets Comedy | Sep 22 03:50 |
| schestowitz | > Finally figured it out! | Sep 22 03:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 03:50 |
| schestowitz | > Was reading about Carl Sagan: [insert UFO conspiracy here] | Sep 22 03:50 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > *Isaac Asimov* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov>*described | Sep 22 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Isaac Asimov - Wikipedia | Sep 22 03:51 | |
| schestowitz | > Sagan as one of only two people he ever met whose intellect surpassed | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > his own.* The other, he claimed, was the computer scientist | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science> and artificial | Sep 22 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Computer science - Wikipedia | Sep 22 03:51 | |
| schestowitz | > intelligence <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence> | Sep 22 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Artificial intelligence - Wikipedia | Sep 22 03:51 | |
| schestowitz | > expert *Marvin Minsky* | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky>*.*^*[96]* | Sep 22 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Marvin Minsky - Wikipedia | Sep 22 03:51 | |
| schestowitz | > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#cite_note-97> | Sep 22 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Carl Sagan - Wikipedia | Sep 22 03:51 | |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > STEP ONE: ASIMOV DEFENDED MINKSY! *CANCEL ASIMOV!* | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > **STEP TWO: HUMANITY-SAVING LAWS OF ROBOTICS DECLARED NULL AND VOID! | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > STEP THREE: *IMMINENT ROBOT HEGEMONY!* | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > *STALLMAN WAS CANCELLED BY ROBOTS BENT ON WORLD DOMINATION! *(they were | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > probably tired of all that GPU-damned "dependency directed backtracking" | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > from Stallman and Sussman, and decided they weren't going to take it | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > anymore!) | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > Here's the good news: this is something else we can ultimately pin on | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > Elon Musk (nobody likes him because he's a prick anyway.) | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > CC: BRUCE BYFIELD, He'll love it... He'll swear you're not kidding. | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | xxxxx wrote on 22/09/2020 00:43: | Sep 22 03:51 |
| schestowitz | > I knew there was an artificial intelligence behind it. | Sep 22 03:51 |
| XRevan86 | And now the robots want to co-opt Asimov's work by making an Apple film? :) | Sep 22 03:52 |
| schestowitz | > I missed this one, does anyone have the URL handy?http://techrights.org/2020/09/21/free-software-communities-judgement/ | Sep 22 03:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: The Worrying State of Political Judgement in Free Software Communities | Techrights | Sep 22 03:53 | |
| Chaekyung | schestowitz: RMS will reply to you but expect it to take 2-3 days | Sep 22 03:54 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Sep 22 03:55 |
| schestowitz | I've just fished my inbox | Sep 22 03:55 |
| schestowitz | to find the above, among other stuff | Sep 22 03:56 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: So the language of the Republic of China was always Putonghua/Mandarin/Standard Chinese, and they took that to Taiwan. | Sep 22 03:57 |
| schestowitz | gonna get me some cofffee, then do articles | Sep 22 03:57 |
| schestowitz | pleroma.site is broken | Sep 22 03:57 |
| schestowitz | so my workflow in social control media is all over the place and confusing | Sep 22 03:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Maybe Ariadne can still poke the right people about that… | Sep 22 03:58 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I can't quite see Europe adopting that | Sep 22 03:58 |
| schestowitz | or the Americas and African nations | Sep 22 03:58 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure China even wants to spread it there | Sep 22 03:58 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: not right now | Sep 22 03:58 |
| schestowitz | it's 5am in France | Sep 22 03:58 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: PRC showed some interest in Esperanto. If they'd really push that, that's be a pleasant surprise. | Sep 22 03:59 |
| schestowitz | doesn't look something that a reboot or similar would resolve | Sep 22 03:59 |
| XRevan86 | * that'd be | Sep 22 03:59 |
| schestowitz | in my lifetime I think English will be enough | Sep 22 04:00 |
| schestowitz | there are other languages I can write blog posts ibn | Sep 22 04:00 |
| schestowitz | but in school level | Sep 22 04:00 |
| schestowitz | not professional | Sep 22 04:00 |
| schestowitz | English has the broadest rich for tech issues | Sep 22 04:00 |
| schestowitz | *reach | Sep 22 04:00 |
| schestowitz | Even Germans write in English | Sep 22 04:00 |
| schestowitz | otherwise they speak to 2-4 nations only | Sep 22 04:01 |
| XRevan86 | A great quality of English is that it's beginner friendly, it's relatively easy to start saying something. Chinese can't compete with that. | Sep 22 04:02 |
| schestowitz | heh https://pleroma.site/web/login | Sep 22 04:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://pleroma.site/web/login ) | Sep 22 04:03 | |
| schestowitz | status 500 indeed | Sep 22 04:03 |
| XRevan86 | Esperanto is a lot friendlier, so it technically can. | Sep 22 04:03 |
| schestowitz | it's online | Sep 22 04:03 |
| schestowitz | but other UI mode is also broken | Sep 22 04:03 |
| schestowitz | I am trying to find workarounds | Sep 22 04:03 |
| schestowitz | brutaldom also cannot communicate with it over APIs | Sep 22 04:03 |
| schestowitz | so it's broken at a level quite deep, like database | Sep 22 04:03 |
| XRevan86 | Right, a connection to the DBMS is likely what's failed. | Sep 22 04:06 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe it was OOM-killed or something? Not necessarily something dramatic like complete corruption. | Sep 22 04:08 |
| XRevan86 | But postgres mostly relies on the kernel to cache, so that's not very likely… | Sep 22 04:10 |
| schestowitz | no data goes in or comes out | Sep 22 04:10 |
| schestowitz | but the general UI can be presented and served | Sep 22 04:10 |
| schestowitz | just with no data | Sep 22 04:10 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: You have to remember Mozilla was a direct spin off of a for profit at the time netscape. | Sep 22 04:10 |
| XRevan86 | No buffer pool in RAM like in InnoDB. | Sep 22 04:11 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla really did not start from we are for the community. | Sep 22 04:11 |
| schestowitz | they presented themselves as such | Sep 22 04:11 |
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| schestowitz | and still try to | Sep 22 04:11 |
| XRevan86 | Which can have a performance penalty but also simplifies things. | Sep 22 04:11 |
| schestowitz | new: | Sep 22 04:12 |
| schestowitz | "At Mozilla, we believe that privacy is fundamental to a healthy internet." That's why we outsource everything to #microsoft #github -- #proprietarySoftware with direct #nsa access :-) :-) | Sep 22 04:12 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 04:12 |
| schestowitz | "At Mozilla, we believe that privacy is fundamental to a healthy internet." No, you don't. Liars. https://blog.mozvr.com/your-privacy-and-mozilla-hubs/ | Sep 22 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozvr.com | Your Privacy and Mozilla Hubs | Sep 22 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 04:12 |
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| schestowitz | wow, the news is so slow so far this week | Sep 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | awfully so | Sep 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | like it's a holiday | Sep 22 04:43 |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | Latest Audiocasts/Shows | Sep 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142390 | Sep 22 04:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Latest Audiocasts/Shows | Tux Machines | Sep 22 04:44 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | Laravel Programming | Sep 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142389 | Sep 22 04:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Laravel Programming | Tux Machines | Sep 22 04:44 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | openSUSE Tumbleweed vs. Leap 15.2 vs. Jump Alpha Benchmarks | Sep 22 04:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142388 | Sep 22 04:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Tumbleweed vs. Leap 15.2 vs. Jump Alpha Benchmarks | Tux Machines | Sep 22 04:44 | |
| schestowitz | ➬ | Sep 22 04:45 |
| schestowitz | today's howtos | Sep 22 04:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142387 | Sep 22 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Sep 22 04:45 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: Mastodon, not BSD | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > Micro$oft money is everywhere, it doesn't make me too happy. I'm no | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > happier about Google money either. | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > Mastodon really does nothing to represent OpenBSD, nor the several BSD | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > communities I've been to, none of which are as stuffy as BSD.network | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > (probably not even FreeBSD, because they wouldn't just delete your | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > account because of some nonsense.) | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > I mean I read it is a joke, but on Mastodon, who knows? Technically the | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > software has nothing to do with the way it's being used (these COCs | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > aren't hardcoded into the source or anything, let alone the license, | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > which would make Mastodon non-free) but the way these communities go, | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > anything Mastodon comes in contact with seems to be as silly as FreeBSD | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > (before they switched to a slightly-less-terrible COC.) | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > Hessler may be a BSD developer, maybe even a GREAT BSD developer, but | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > maybe he's a crappy Mastodon admin. I don't care, I wouldn't touch | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > Mastodon. It's silly. If you mix Mastodon with BSD, that's silly too. If | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > Hessler mixes Mastodon with BSD, it's still silly. | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > As far as I know, most of the BSD community does not care about | Sep 22 10:38 |
| schestowitz | > Mastodon, though data would be interesting. | Sep 22 10:38 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) I would find it strange if the BSD community heavily cared about it thinking Mastodon is AGPLv3 license | Sep 22 10:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mastodon (software) - Wikipedia | Sep 22 10:42 | |
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| schestowitz | ohama: there seem to be some instances for BSDs alone | Sep 22 11:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm I mean ^ | Sep 22 11:57 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/05/01bf03a231e909d0.jpg | Sep 22 13:18 |
| XRevan86 | http://tuxmachines.org/node/142398 very tuxmachines :) | Sep 22 13:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Microsoft kills off Windows 10 update that had been slowing down PCs | Tux Machines | Sep 22 13:20 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: to be correct its odd. Microsoft normally does not stop putting out a update instead just makes another update the overwrites it. | Sep 22 13:22 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It's also odd as this "update" doesn't do much. | Sep 22 13:23 |
| MinceR | maybe they accidentally hired someone who knew what they were doing and let them do something? | Sep 22 13:24 |
| MinceR | sounds unlikely though | Sep 22 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | And still have an extra browser-updating background job ripped from Chromium. | Sep 22 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | those are so cheap | Sep 22 13:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 22 13:26 |
| MinceR | i wonder how many update mechanisms are in Backdoors10 currently | Sep 22 13:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, I guess, two %). | Sep 22 13:27 |
| XRevan86 | Three if you count MSOffice | Sep 22 13:28 |
| MinceR | didn't media player also have something for their DRM bullshit? | Sep 22 13:28 |
| MinceR | https://dilbert.com/strip/2019-03-04 | Sep 22 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dilbert And Brainwashing - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-03-04 | Dilbert by Scott Adams | Sep 22 13:29 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The "Video" thing? | Sep 22 13:29 |
| MinceR | dunno | Sep 22 13:29 |
| XRevan86 | * "Movies & TV" | Sep 22 13:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.businessinsider.com/eviction-startup-civvl-gig-workers-landlords-covid-2020-9?amp | Sep 22 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Eviction startup gets gig workers to help landlords kick people out - Business Insider | Sep 22 13:56 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Stuck in line at the dmv | Sep 22 13:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trying to renew my driver's license. | Sep 22 13:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Decided to just go ahead and do REAL ID. | Sep 22 13:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's retarded, but I may not be allowed into the USCIS building without it if they schedule us in there after October of next year. | Sep 22 13:58 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/aynABv6.jpg | Sep 22 14:19 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: "we must be flying!" | Sep 22 14:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 22 14:23 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PlaysForSure I remember this horrible mess by Microsoft but I would guess Microsoft did some other DRM of their own after that blow up.. | Sep 22 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Microsoft PlaysForSure - Wikipedia | Sep 22 14:53 | |
| MinceR | Microsoft FailsForSure | Sep 22 14:53 |
| MinceR | i think what i read about (in the WMP EULA or something like that) was earlier than this | Sep 22 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Yep Play for sure was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_DRM and the new one from Microsoft in Windows 10 is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayReady | Sep 22 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Windows Media DRM - Wikipedia | Sep 22 14:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | PlayReady - Wikipedia | Sep 22 14:57 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: playready Microsoft trys to claim as nicely cross platform. | Sep 22 14:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 22 14:59 |
| MinceR | another claim from microshit | Sep 22 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | > PlaysForSure compliant devices won't play PlayReady-encrypted content | Sep 22 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | Not for sure then? | Sep 22 15:00 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 22 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | > The license prohibited makers of portable devices compatible with Windows Media Player from using non-Microsoft audio encoding formats | Sep 22 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | Never has been apparently. | Sep 22 15:01 |
| oiaohm | That is removed from Playready requirements. | Sep 22 15:01 |
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| *XRevan86 just found out this was a thing. | Sep 22 15:01 | |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/688599.jpg | Sep 22 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course not able to play other formats made PlaysforSure devices very rare. | Sep 22 15:01 |
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| XRevan86 | oiaohm: The name is the best part. | Sep 22 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, has any of that survived to this day? | Sep 22 15:03 |
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| XRevan86 | "Microsoft© Edge™" supplies Widevine now. | Sep 22 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Windows Media DRM that was the core the Playsforesure only disappears with windows 10 like it still in Windows 7/8 systems. | Sep 22 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Playready stuff is still in Windows 10. | Sep 22 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: And back to the original MinceR's question: how is it updated? :) | Sep 22 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | Though the answer is probably "Microsoft Store". | Sep 22 15:05 |
| MinceR | there was no "Microsoft Store" back then | Sep 22 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | > i wonder how many update mechanisms are in Backdoors10 currently | Sep 22 15:06 |
| oiaohm | windows update. | Sep 22 15:06 |
| MinceR | iirc there wasn't even a "Windows Update" back then :> | Sep 22 15:06 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It was introduced in ME | Sep 22 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Windows update for both PlaysForSure and PlayReady | Sep 22 15:07 |
| MinceR | i remember running WMP on winblows 98 | Sep 22 15:07 |
| MinceR | it alone wanted more RAM than what the entire PC had | Sep 22 15:07 |
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| oiaohm | Windows Media DRM is added to WMP latter. | Sep 22 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So the answer is "three" either way :) | Sep 22 15:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 22 15:08 |
| oiaohm | PlaysForSure/Window Media DRM is 2004 | Sep 22 15:08 |
| oiaohm | So latter addon | Sep 22 15:09 |
| oiaohm | There is still one content provider for PlaysForSure. | Sep 22 15:11 |
| oiaohm | But they also provide DRM free MP3 files. | Sep 22 15:11 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/05/b9b9ff1067addca5.jpg | Sep 22 15:33 |
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| scientes | http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/ | Sep 22 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org | Linux Genuine Advantage™ | Sep 22 16:11 | |
| scientes | > PlayReady | Sep 22 16:12 |
| scientes | > PlayForSure | Sep 22 16:12 |
| scientes | this is all a response to the general user experience: can't hear shit | Sep 22 16:12 |
| MinceR | easier to have the marketroids come up with new names than to fix their shit | Sep 22 16:12 |
| scientes | MinceR, i think it is easier to band on pots and pans | Sep 22 16:13 |
| scientes | *bang | Sep 22 16:13 |
| MinceR | yes, but how will banging on pots and pans take your money and freedoms away? | Sep 22 16:14 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/688587.jpg | Sep 22 16:14 |
| kingoffrance | i dunno look up his net worth https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/toddrundgren/bangthedrumallday.html | Sep 22 16:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Todd Rundgren - Bang The Drum All Day Lyrics | AZLyrics.com | Sep 22 16:17 | |
| kingoffrance | see if he pulled it off or not | Sep 22 16:17 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Windows Media Player had a FhG MP3 decoder, so it was more accurate than some other early mp3 players. | Sep 22 16:22 |
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| scientes | BPFos | Sep 22 16:29 |
| scientes | Linux is dead, long live BPF-OS | Sep 22 16:30 |
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| schestowitz | Linux dead in some sense | Sep 22 16:36 |
| schestowitz | as "Linux" as envisioned by some | Sep 22 16:36 |
| schestowitz | as a force of liberation from non-free crap | Sep 22 16:36 |
| schestowitz | now we have things like amazon eating up everything | Sep 22 16:36 |
| schestowitz | and Linux gets "telemetry", DRM etc. | Sep 22 16:37 |
| schestowitz | So our fight carries on | Sep 22 16:37 |
| schestowitz | with or without Linux, certainly without LF that corrupts it as the weeks go by | Sep 22 16:37 |
| schestowitz | From an article I am working on | Sep 22 16:37 |
| schestowitz | ... | Sep 22 16:37 |
| scientes | what do you mean by telemetry? | Sep 22 16:37 |
| schestowitz | It "depends on what the <em>real</em> goal of the CoC is," somebody told us, as "the real goal is to oust non-corporate technical leads; that blue-haired shit [links Lamb's girlfriend with that description in GitHub] is just a distraction." | Sep 22 16:37 |
| scientes | "the real goal is to oust non-corporate technical leads" | Sep 22 16:37 |
| schestowitz | https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-PMT-Telemetry-Linux-5.10 | Sep 22 16:38 |
| scientes | yeah that makes sense | Sep 22 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel Platform Monitoring Telemetry Appears Destined For Linux 5.10 - Phoronix | Sep 22 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | kernel reporting to companies | Sep 22 16:38 |
| scientes | same with the hostile attitude towards GPLv3 | Sep 22 16:38 |
| scientes | I have been at GCC and LLVM conferences (both before and after they got intensely corporate) | Sep 22 16:38 |
| scientes | and the LLVM one's are all "I can't talk about that" | Sep 22 16:38 |
| scientes | the chinese in shenzhen are not like that | Sep 22 16:39 |
| scientes | its a really stupid attitude | Sep 22 16:39 |
| scientes | its because people have no pride in their work | Sep 22 16:39 |
| schestowitz | where? | Sep 22 16:39 |
| schestowitz | in china? | Sep 22 16:39 |
| scientes | and also NDAs are a "I'm stupid and not a political person" | Sep 22 16:39 |
| schestowitz | many people do bad jobs | Sep 22 16:40 |
| scientes | i'm talking about the "i can't talk about my work" attitude | Sep 22 16:40 |
| schestowitz | and then compensate by buying crap | Sep 22 16:40 |
| schestowitz | like expensive cars | Sep 22 16:40 |
| schestowitz | in that they have pride | Sep 22 16:40 |
| schestowitz | and they take selfies, post these to FB | Sep 22 16:40 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwx3RvDWvDM | Sep 22 16:40 |
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| scientes | at GCC conference you don't get that "I can't talk about my work" attitude | Sep 22 16:41 |
| scientes | which makes it much healthier | Sep 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Sep 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | well, that may change | Sep 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | like LibrePlanet | Sep 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | with their "Safe space" concept | Sep 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | where it means nothing to safety | Sep 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | it's about gagging potential critics | Sep 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | even RMS himself | Sep 22 16:41 |
| scientes | "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" | Sep 22 16:42 |
| MinceR | sounds like LLVM isn't really free software | Sep 22 16:43 |
| scientes | MinceR, as RMS said, it is a platform for non-free compilers | Sep 22 16:43 |
| scientes | and he realized GCC could go that way when Steve Jobs asked him if he could release Obj-C as binary blobs linked to GCC | Sep 22 16:43 |
| kingoffrance | ^^^ | Sep 22 16:44 |
| scientes | there is a real opening right now for a good portable language for FPGAs | Sep 22 16:45 |
| scientes | as Verilog has many problems | Sep 22 16:45 |
| scientes | and because FPGAs are not the same as ASICs | Sep 22 16:45 |
| scientes | mainly becuase FPGAs perform things in lock step to the clock | Sep 22 16:46 |
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| schestowitz | https://lwn.net/Articles/582242/ | Sep 22 16:47 |
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| scientes | schestowitz, lol, I don't think gpsd (maintained by ESR) ever managed to support CAN bus gps devices | Sep 22 16:48 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/688586.png | Sep 22 16:48 |
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| scientes | I have to say that RMS is right here and ESR wrong | Sep 22 16:54 |
| scientes | while there are cool thing that can done with a more open compiler, losing control over having a libre compiler is not worth it | Sep 22 16:54 |
| scientes | > ithings | Sep 22 16:57 |
| scientes | more like "mythings" | Sep 22 16:57 |
| scientes | The nonfree compilers that are now based on LLVM prove that I was | Sep 22 16:58 |
| scientes | right -- that the danger was real. If I had "opened" up GCC code for | Sep 22 16:58 |
| scientes | use in nonfree combinations, that would not have prevented a defeat; | Sep 22 16:58 |
| scientes | rather, it would have caused that defeat to occur very soon. | Sep 22 16:58 |
| MinceR | perhaps it is possible to keep control over a more open compiler | Sep 22 16:58 |
| scientes | said very clearly | Sep 22 16:58 |
| scientes | but the GCC is fully open | Sep 22 16:58 |
| scientes | you can fork it and do whatever you want | Sep 22 16:58 |
| MinceR | but i suspect that crApple (and others?) who effectively own LLVM don't give a shit about users' freedom or the community | Sep 22 16:58 |
| scientes | the whole point is that if you are going to be anti-social, the GNU project is not going to help you do that | Sep 22 16:59 |
| MinceR | not sure about that | Sep 22 16:59 |
| scientes | if you want to smoke crack in the back alley, then you can't live in the GNU dormatories while you do it | Sep 22 16:59 |
| MinceR | rms still controls GNU and he still insists that systemd is free software | Sep 22 16:59 |
| MinceR | what's wrong with smoking crack? | Sep 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | also fsf took ibm money | Sep 22 16:59 |
| schestowitz | then red hat | Sep 22 16:59 |
| scientes | schestowitz, but RMS is not associated with FSF anymore | Sep 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | he runs gnu | Sep 22 17:00 |
| MinceR | yeah, FSF was taken over by corporate SJWs | Sep 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | and fsf is connected to it | Sep 22 17:00 |
| scientes | not really | Sep 22 17:00 |
| scientes | people at FSF don't write any GNU code | Sep 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | who does the gnu hosting? | Sep 22 17:00 |
| MinceR | do people at GNU write any anymore? | Sep 22 17:00 |
| scientes | schestowitz, system admin != system coding | Sep 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | they do, MinceR | Sep 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | no less than before | Sep 22 17:00 |
| MinceR | do they even believe there's a point to keeping GNU alive when they have their beloved systemd to replace it? | Sep 22 17:01 |
| scientes | and git makes hostly much less relevent | Sep 22 17:01 |
| scientes | *hosting | Sep 22 17:01 |
| MinceR | until commits by microshit that you didn't approve start appearing in your repository :> | Sep 22 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: git doesn't need hosting? | Sep 22 17:02 |
| scientes | XRevan86, no, but it is more resilient | Sep 22 17:02 |
| MinceR | or they give you additional conditions for letting you continue to host there | Sep 22 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Indeed. | Sep 22 17:03 |
| scientes | > | Sep 22 17:03 |
| scientes | The only code that helps us and not our adversaries is copylefted | Sep 22 17:03 |
| scientes | code. Free software released under a pushover license | Sep 22 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But bugreports, merge requests, etc. aren't. | Sep 22 17:03 |
| scientes | hahahahahahahaha | Sep 22 17:03 |
| scientes | "pushover license" | Sep 22 17:03 |
| scientes | XRevan86, indeed, and the github workflow sucks balls | Sep 22 17:03 |
| scientes | you can't even properly review a PR | Sep 22 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Now that's not actually resilient. | Sep 22 17:04 |
| schestowitz | isn't PR a github term? | Sep 22 17:04 |
| MinceR | amusing how they still believe the government will enforce their copyrights the way they wished they did | Sep 22 17:04 |
| scientes | patch series | Sep 22 17:04 |
| scientes | schestowitz, no, git also has pull requests | Sep 22 17:04 |
| schestowitz | ok | Sep 22 17:04 |
| scientes | but they are also difficult to review | Sep 22 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | GitHub calls merge requests pull requests, yes. | Sep 22 17:04 |
| schestowitz | in gitlab they have another term | Sep 22 17:05 |
| schestowitz | "pull" can be seen as sexist here | Sep 22 17:05 |
| scientes | or rather, git-send-email does | Sep 22 17:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe they'll ban that word, too | Sep 22 17:05 |
| schestowitz | like they do "master" | Sep 22 17:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 22 17:05 |
| MinceR | they should ban "git" too | Sep 22 17:05 |
| MinceR | it's insulting | Sep 22 17:05 |
| schestowitz | yup | Sep 22 17:05 |
| scientes | "mating request" ? | Sep 22 17:05 |
| schestowitz | it's insulting | Sep 22 17:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 22 17:05 |
| schestowitz | and "gimp" | Sep 22 17:05 |
| schestowitz | call it "glimpse" | Sep 22 17:06 |
| schestowitz | as in, "John took a glimpse at the cleavage" | Sep 22 17:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can see why the license branch keeps issuing 1 month waivers. | Sep 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 800,000 driver's licenses in Illinois are expired. | Sep 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they started enforcing the law, they'd have to arrest a lot of people. | Sep 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder what would happen if millions of people just never renewed them and drove anyway. | Sep 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Would the state give up trying to enforce the driver's license requirement? | Sep 22 17:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, then there's black people. | Sep 22 17:08 |
| scientes | I think it was pretty cool that ruby has a JIT that generates C code | Sep 22 17:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Driving around stoned af with no license. | Sep 22 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | oh no | Sep 22 17:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can smell the pot from their car a mile away. | Sep 22 17:08 |
| scientes | the Red Hat guys pushed that instead of LLVM | Sep 22 17:08 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/04/tired-of-rms-winning/ | Sep 22 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat/IBM Got ‘Tired’ of RMS. Is It Getting ‘Tired’ of GPL/Copyleft Too? | Techrights | Sep 22 17:09 | |
| scientes | schestowitz, they just did a C extension proposal, and only contributed code for llvm | Sep 22 17:10 |
| scientes | and clang | Sep 22 17:10 |
| scientes | http://blog.llvm.org/2020/04/the-new-clang-extint-feature-provides.html | Sep 22 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.llvm.org | The LLVM Project Blog | Sep 22 17:10 | |
| scientes | and I was about to use it in my project, because the lack of a __int128 type on 32-bit platforms in gcc is super annoying | Sep 22 17:13 |
| scientes | especially when I am actually in the SIMD registers, which are 128-bits+ wide | Sep 22 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I brought in a bankruptcy discharge, a draft card, and a copy of a renter's insurance policy. | Sep 22 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They accepted it as proof of address, and gave me a new driver's license. | Sep 22 17:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They told me they would not accept a hotel statement for proof of address unless I wanted a standard driver's license. | Sep 22 17:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no point in getting a standard license anymore unless you absolutely know you will not enter any federal buildings or board a domestic flight or you bring your passport with you if you do go. | Sep 22 17:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they've never actually enforced that yet. | Sep 22 17:19 |
| scientes | schestowitz, yeah I kinda agree on them back-peddling on the GCC stance | Sep 22 17:20 |
| scientes | given that, unlike Debian, they provide support, it makes sense for them to only support one compiler | Sep 22 17:21 |
| scientes | because the expensive of that expertise is high | Sep 22 17:21 |
| scientes | but they are getting sucked into the non-free race to the bottom | Sep 22 17:21 |
| scientes | (which is entirely why LLVM gets so much more press) | Sep 22 17:21 |
| scientes | as someone that knows the LLVM source code reasonably well, it is full of problems like any large project | Sep 22 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | I never used llvm | Sep 22 17:27 |
| schestowitz | unlike gcc | Sep 22 17:27 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Census takers were out at the DMV. | Sep 22 17:34 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/685467.jpg | Sep 22 17:34 |
| MinceR | https://i.redd.it/puzord7qp5251.jpg | Sep 22 17:37 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: [:|||||||||||||:] | Sep 22 17:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You posted that before. | Sep 22 17:51 |
| scientes | oh, that is so funny | Sep 22 18:02 |
| scientes | I bet testicles wears a cup too | Sep 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | and a cap | Sep 22 18:07 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/ViQC4mq.mp4 | Sep 22 18:28 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buI_EY_wme8 | Sep 22 19:01 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Black people already did get even with white people for all the fucked up shit. | Sep 22 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every so often you have to go through the TSA or the DMV and that's when they get their opportunity to dehumanize you and do arbitrary things that make you spend all day doing mind numbing shit. | Sep 22 19:09 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: Apple | Sep 22 19:34 |
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| MinceR | sebsebseb: Dehomag | Sep 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you stop bring up this race stuff? | Sep 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | it's techrights, not racerights | Sep 22 19:35 |
| schestowitz | *bringing | Sep 22 19:36 |
| schestowitz | you are helping people who might attempt to paint us all as "racist" | Sep 22 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: not good times, lock down 2 or kind of, starting | Sep 22 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh actually you are in a proper local lock down there ? | Sep 22 19:37 |
| schestowitz | nope | Sep 22 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: England is getting even worse, can I move in with you and live with you in Hungary, I will bring my iphone se and broken ish ipad along too | Sep 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz | they implement some restrictions | Sep 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz | the media dramatises it | Sep 22 19:38 |
| schestowitz | which is why I ignore it | Sep 22 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: six more months of stuff at least uh | Sep 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I hope that gym won't be covered by those restrictions | Sep 22 19:39 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: he s adressing the nation at five past eight | Sep 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | he's not addressing me | Sep 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | he's not My Pry Minister | Sep 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | he can talk to his trash constituents who voter for him | Sep 22 19:39 |
| schestowitz | based on trashy media that painted Corbyn as some sort of Trotsky | Sep 22 19:40 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: lol, no | Sep 22 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: pubs and resturants will close at 10pm, and got to wear masks there soon except for when sittting at a table eating or drinking | Sep 22 19:40 |
| schestowitz | that's not new | Sep 22 19:40 |
| schestowitz | maybe they shifted the time a bit | Sep 22 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: indeed I didnt vote for him either, i did kabour | Sep 22 19:40 |
| schestowitz | cosmetic changes | Sep 22 19:40 |
| schestowitz | kabul labour | Sep 22 19:40 |
| schestowitz | =kabour | Sep 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | TaliBannon | Sep 22 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: cosmetic changes what you mean ? | Sep 22 19:42 |
| schestowitz | look that up, I guess | Sep 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | the phrase | Sep 22 19:49 |
| schestowitz | as i think it's down to the understanding of the connotation | Sep 22 19:49 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: i will get an exeption card it seems, since can have one with valid reasons it seems | Sep 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | for what, pubs? | Sep 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Dining out? | Sep 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | we have not dined 'out' since August when they had 50% off the bills | Sep 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | not worth the hassle and risk | Sep 22 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: shops, cinema etc | Sep 22 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | i have been to the pubs a bit this month with my naighbour | Sep 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hate the DMV. I hate USCIS. When you're dealing with immigration stuff, the DMV wants to see stuff from USCIS, and USCIS wants to see stuff from the DMV. | Sep 22 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I have to find a way to get Mandy a federally compliant state ID because Illinois waited 15 years to comply with federal law. | Sep 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: i have been at a pub with students or whatever youung people even | Sep 22 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: i didnt do rhe august schene nearly with my older brother | Sep 22 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Before the Coronavirus, the DMV was doing REAL ID, but you could only do it on Saturday, between certain hours, by appointment, with half of Chicago in there. It's..... How does Jesse White keep getting elected? | Sep 22 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Has anyone voting for him ever been to a DMV? | Sep 22 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: that things hace come to this its awful | Sep 22 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might vote for the Republican for that office next time. Indiana's DMV used to be horrible, with long lines and shit. | Sep 22 19:55 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: well overdue based on what we see here this month. People dine and drink without any protection, with lots of different households on same table, as if covid19 just vanished already | Sep 22 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they moved a lot of it online and foot traffic at the DMV offices actually fell so much that they managed to close a lot of them, and then the budget went down even though if you did go in, it was never more than 5-10 minutes. Everyone there is so nice too. | Sep 22 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well yep pubs and resturants are a bit of a risk | Sep 22 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's none of this "Oh I'll make up my own rules to make you drive all over town all day because we take a copy of a renter's insurance policy but not the statement from the motel!". | Sep 22 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It reeks of "This guy is just being an asshole to you because it's all the authority he has.". | Sep 22 19:57 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: with the gym reopened we went back to the old normal ourselves | Sep 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: but i have been to a few pubs this month, and i dont think i caught it | Sep 22 19:57 |
| schestowitz | us as in a couple | Sep 22 19:57 |
| schestowitz | because we worked from home since like... forever | Sep 22 19:57 |
| schestowitz | the steam room and sauna were shut | Sep 22 19:57 |
| schestowitz | but not pool and jacuzzi | Sep 22 19:57 |
| schestowitz | other than that, all was back to normal | Sep 22 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: i think its hospitality and leisure venues all have to close at 10pm starting thursday | Sep 22 19:58 |
| schestowitz | but news being slower | Sep 22 19:58 |
| schestowitz | and less travel, which I always mostly hated anyway | Sep 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: So he thought he'd ruin my day and get rid of me. I said "I'll be back." (yes in that voice) | Sep 22 19:58 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: does not affect gyms it seems | Sep 22 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: but not pumped with steroids | Sep 22 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was a joke. The guy at the desk annoyed the Terminator so he says it and then drives into the building and runs into the desk guy. | Sep 22 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: he boris, wants people working at home again, when they can | Sep 22 19:58 |
| schestowitz | good | Sep 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | makes it easier for me to find another job if or when I need to | Sep 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | while staying at the same place | Sep 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | same for rianne | Sep 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I really liked that movie. They had to do that seen a lot because Schwarzenegger's accent was so thick that he kept getting it a little wrong. | Sep 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | we have lots of equipment here now | Sep 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | 9 screens, decent printer, 3 routers... | Sep 22 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Sep 22 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He didn't really get the humor though. Test audiences laughed because they already figured on an extremely violent overreaction every time you give this thing a problem | Sep 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | we have redundancy build in, inc. (if needed) Internet over mobile | Sep 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | they still sell dongles for xG | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | James Cameron said he threw it in there figuring it would be funny the second time you watched the movie. | Sep 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | we have 2, just need to top them up if needed | Sep 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | huawei ones, 2g or 3g I think | Sep 22 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But everyone knew something was coming. I mean, the thing ripped some guy's heart out because he wouldn't give it his clothes. | Sep 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | isn't Cameron the brother of someone famous? | Sep 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe I confuse that with Cameron Myhrvold | Sep 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | James Cameron is pretty famous himself. | Sep 22 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What with Alien and the Terminator franchises, and Avatar. | Sep 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | been a decade or more since I studied antitrust docs and emails from Nathan and Cameron | Sep 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | apparently many now think Microsoft is "OK" | Sep 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | and Internet giants suppress people who don't agree | Sep 22 20:02 |
| schestowitz | infiltration and bribes helped | Sep 22 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Walmart apparently has some passable hardware for laptops now under the Gateway brand. | Sep 22 20:03 |
| schestowitz | also hiring people to become moles and "influencers" | Sep 22 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not sure about Linux compatibility though. | Sep 22 20:03 |
| schestowitz | yes | Sep 22 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I put a link in Daily Links | Sep 22 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For $450 (after the 10% discount) it would almost be worth the risk. | Sep 22 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tenth generation Core i5 and 16 GB of RAM and a 256 GB SSD. | Sep 22 20:03 |
| schestowitz | https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/gateway-laptops-return-as-walmart-exclusives/ | Sep 22 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com | Gateway Laptops Return from the Dead as Walmart Exclusives | Digital Trends | Sep 22 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's really not bad. FHD screen too, which is a step up from the 1280x720 crap that we've seen under $500 up til now. | Sep 22 20:04 |
| schestowitz | this one | Sep 22 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Acer | Sep 22 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I've seen the inside of Acer's Predator desktop PCs and I didn't like what I saw. | Sep 22 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They cut corners. Their stuff doesn't have a reliability reputation. | Sep 22 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart's generally fine with that because their customers have low expectations. It's a discount store. | Sep 22 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hey, it'll probably last 4-5 years, and that's all most people expect. | Sep 22 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: by today's standards this is normal or better than normal | Sep 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | but computers used to last longer and were easier to repair affordably | Sep 22 20:26 |
| schestowitz | wouldn't hurt if PC became more expensive again | Sep 22 20:27 |
| schestowitz | production | Sep 22 20:27 |
| schestowitz | at least then people would repair them | Sep 22 20:27 |
| schestowitz | and buy second hand | Sep 22 20:27 |
| schestowitz | ewaste is a big problem | Sep 22 20:27 |
| schestowitz | people can also reuse containers of all sorts and travel less | Sep 22 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: so what's the gist of it? | Sep 22 20:42 |
| schestowitz | gyms still open? | Sep 22 20:42 |
| schestowitz | I did not watch | Sep 22 20:42 |
| schestowitz | bars closing earlier? | Sep 22 20:42 |
| schestowitz | no mixing households? | Sep 22 20:42 |
| schestowitz | (except in the pubs) ;-) | Sep 22 20:42 |
| kingoffrance | scientes, i am very curious any problems you see in llvm source -- i really dont use it, just "things to try to avoid" for any large project | Sep 22 20:52 |
| kingoffrance | i suppose i stay away from both llvm and gcc source since they are both c++ | Sep 22 20:54 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Sep 22 20:54 |
| kingoffrance | (nowadays) | Sep 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | haha | Sep 22 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I agree | Sep 22 21:00 |
| kingoffrance | he might be the guy who has me on ignore because i said code is more than math | Sep 22 21:01 |
| kingoffrance | :/ | Sep 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | what is math anyway? | Sep 22 21:02 |
| kingoffrance | a technique | Sep 22 21:02 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Sep 22 21:02 |
| schestowitz | a formality I think | Sep 22 21:03 |
| kingoffrance | dictionary "technology" -- not its own science | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | system for formalising observations | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | newton came up with symbols | Sep 22 21:03 |
| kingoffrance | it and comptuer science are somewhat misnomers to original meaning of "technology" -- djikstra had it right "computer science is as much about computers as astronomy is about telescopes" | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | we decided on metric and decimal | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | because we evolved to have 10 fingers | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | octal would make more sense | Sep 22 21:03 |
| kingoffrance | stem also a misnomer to original definition of tech | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | better number, divisible nicely in a binary system | Sep 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | 2^3 | Sep 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | at least binary is meaningful, off/on | Sep 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | 360 is nice | Sep 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | babylons used some similar to it | Sep 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | or 30 | Sep 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | divisible by many primes | Sep 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | 360 'hour' daily clocks would be nice | Sep 22 21:05 |
| schestowitz | 24x60=600+240 | Sep 22 21:05 |
| kingoffrance | original definition of technology "systematic treatment, holistic" -- its applying things cross-domain apply science x to area y | Sep 22 21:05 |
| kingoffrance | its between sciences IMO | Sep 22 21:05 |
| kingoffrance | or across | Sep 22 21:05 |
| schestowitz | code is recipe for computation | Sep 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | i.e. maths | Sep 22 21:06 |
| kingoffrance | agree -- i just think its more | Sep 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | in the processing unit | Sep 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | +input/output in some form like UI | Sep 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | displays are matrices | Sep 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | but we abstract them as something else | Sep 22 21:06 |
| schestowitz | sounds are waves | Sep 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | which can be encoded with curves and parameters for functions | Sep 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | wavelets, bezier etc. | Sep 22 21:07 |
| schestowitz | nand logic | Sep 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | magnets signals | Sep 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | so storage is maths also | Sep 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | or reducible to it | Sep 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | compression is done on binary levels | Sep 22 21:08 |
| schestowitz | the good compression algos anyway | Sep 22 21:08 |
| kingoffrance | well yeah but "llvm source has problems like any big project" -- clearly something beyond just math going on | Sep 22 21:09 |
| kingoffrance | by his own words :) | Sep 22 21:09 |
| kingoffrance | theres some style or something else there | Sep 22 21:09 |
| kingoffrance | even if only "management style" | Sep 22 21:10 |
| kingoffrance | even if the code is pure math | Sep 22 21:10 |
| kingoffrance | i guess the paper i linked even didnt note this original def. of tech either | Sep 22 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know how you get a back ache from the DMV. | Sep 22 21:11 |
| kingoffrance | the pike thing about systems research | Sep 22 21:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | How do they do the DMV in the UK? | Sep 22 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Is it this awful? | Sep 22 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They say you need this this and that and then when you bring it, it turns out it's some guy making up his own rules. | Sep 22 21:13 |
| kingoffrance | i realize the irony of being in this channel, not knocking the title | Sep 22 21:13 |
| kingoffrance | :) | Sep 22 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So just bring in as much stuff from every list that you can and dump it on their desk to begin with. | Sep 22 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Theory going that they may be able to find a reason not to take some of it, but the more you bring the more of a pain in the ass it is to try to fuck with you, and they give up. | Sep 22 21:14 |
| kingoffrance | if it makes you feel better i had similar issue dont recall re: hotel address. so i just put a prior one and fwded IIRC | Sep 22 21:15 |
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| kingoffrance | you want a "house" ? fine. fwd to my hotel | Sep 22 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I call it the Cloward-Piven the DMV Strategy. | Sep 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz | why are we talking about this? | Sep 22 21:18 |
| schestowitz | (or why here) | Sep 22 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | kingoffrance Speaking of public benefits, there's no reason for someone not to apply for all of them if they're down there signing up for food or medical assistance anyway, usually. | Sep 22 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Socialism. I think Stallman would probably approve of things like ACORN even though they fell apart after all the corruption scandals. | Sep 22 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you go digging into his old political notes, he probably approved of ACORN at some point. | Sep 22 21:19 |
| kingoffrance | well im not sure users necessarily care gcc moved to c++ -- people trying to bootstrap and do "reproducible builds" from a small "seed" i guess do though | Sep 22 21:23 |
| kingoffrance | other than that, cant say ive seen any opposition (not suggesting they switch) | Sep 22 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Cloward Piven became nothing more than a far right bogeyman. | Sep 22 21:24 |
| kingoffrance | thats the "want a small seed to audit" crowd | Sep 22 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When people saw what welfare programs were doing they shut that shit down real fast. | Sep 22 21:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The states and federal government were going "Oh, you have kids and no job? Here's money and food stamps and a $10 apartment.". | Sep 22 21:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So Stallman doesn't realize it, but he contradicts himself a lot. | Sep 22 21:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Generous no strings attached welfare programs are vicious cycle that balloon. | Sep 22 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Especially when they promote unlimited reproduction just because that's how you get more. | Sep 22 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is also a carbon dioxide (and pollution in general) bomb. | Sep 22 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you stop AFDC and make it harder to qualify for stuff and it turns off the magnet. | Sep 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | or... you know... | Sep 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | give people education | Sep 22 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've often said we should have the opposite. | Sep 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | and then they don't fall back on clocking offspring | Sep 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | less student debt | Sep 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | more accomplished citizens | Sep 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | seems to work well in northern euope | Sep 22 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Send everyone a check for $2,500 each year. | Sep 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | negatuve pop' growth | Sep 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | except for migrants | Sep 22 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It goes down for each child you have until it's nothing by the 3rd one. | Sep 22 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then their taxes go up by several hundred each time they do another one. | Sep 22 21:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Poor people won't want to have so many kids because $2,500 is a windfall they don't want to lose. | Sep 22 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it more than pays for itself. | Sep 22 21:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think there shouldn't be a child tax credit. There should be a childfree credit that turns into higher taxes at some point. | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:30] <DaemonFC[m]> Poor people won't want to have so many kids because $2,500 is a windfall they don't want to lose. | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | They'd protest it's depopulation of the poor | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | which is another slant on eugenics | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | "all we have left is making lots of babies we love" | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | if you defund families with many kids you risk having kids or even worse upbringing | Sep 22 21:32 |
| schestowitz | so you're not thinking right... you think of financial incentives | Sep 22 21:32 |
| schestowitz | instead of intellectual incentive | Sep 22 21:32 |
| schestowitz | like "flight shame" | Sep 22 21:32 |
| schestowitz | make it seem a bit more selfish to have 4 kids | Sep 22 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like on demand abortion in Illinois isn't eugenics already. | Sep 22 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The childfree credit would essentially be a peace dividend. | Sep 22 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Instead of encouraging having kids that pick up a gun and shoot someone from a Divvy bike in about 12 years, you get paid to knock it off. | Sep 22 21:34 |
| schestowitz | OH WOW!! https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-back | Sep 22 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | Linux Journal is Back | Linux Journal | Sep 22 21:37 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | To an extent a much crueler version is playing out right now. | Sep 22 21:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The state passed on demand abortion and then purposely made unemployment 20% or more. | Sep 22 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was already over 30% for some neighborhoods in Chicago. | Sep 22 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What's the message here? | Sep 22 21:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I brought in Firefox ESR 78.3. | Sep 22 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Got rid of the rapid release one. | Sep 22 21:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Seems like they dropped the spam and political crap in ESR. | Sep 22 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Makes sense. | Sep 22 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | [21:46] <DaemonFC[m]> Seems like they dropped the spam and political crap in ESR. | Sep 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | it's still there in Debian's ESR | Sep 22 21:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy always gets a good laugh at my imitation Tagalog. | Sep 22 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: real words? | Sep 22 22:50 |
| schestowitz | or improvised? | Sep 22 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwR9b4FtjAU | Sep 22 22:57 |
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| *schestowitz can sing it | Sep 22 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just sounds that sound like what I'm hearing. | Sep 22 23:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes a close English word for comedic effect. | Sep 22 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | wonder how many dead bodies Orange One and his new CDC keep in the closter | Sep 22 23:16 |
| schestowitz | *closet | Sep 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | they say 800+ deaths today | Sep 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | with death certs and all it's hard to hide deaths, but they can misattribute cause of death | Sep 22 23:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz3bDON9bNo | Sep 22 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: what does this site run? https://training.linuxfoundation.org/announcements/free-intro-to-linux-course-surpasses-one-million-enrollments/ | Sep 22 23:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-training.linuxfoundation.org | Free Intro to Linux Course Surpasses One Million Enrollments - Linux Foundation - Training | Sep 22 23:42 | |
| XRevan86 | > server: nginx | Sep 22 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | > via: 1.1 varnish | Sep 22 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | well, that was easy :) | Sep 22 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | a bit redundant, but maybe they actually do load balancing, I don't know | Sep 22 23:43 |
| schestowitz | <meta name="generator" content="WordPress 5.5.1" /> | Sep 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | seems like latest | Sep 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | seems to have case insensitivity thing enabled | Sep 22 23:44 |
| schestowitz | /* <![CDATA[ */ | Sep 22 23:45 |
| schestowitz | var gfp_dynamic_salesforce = {"search_fields":["2"],"field_info":{"369":["2"],"415":["2"]},"form_id":"1","ajaxurl":"https:\/\/training.linuxfoundation.org\/wp-admin\/admin-ajax.php","spinner_url":"https:\/\/training.linuxfoundation.org\/wp-content\/plugins\/gravityforms\/images\/spinner.gif"}; | Sep 22 23:45 |
| schestowitz | /* ]]> */ | Sep 22 23:45 |
| schestowitz | lol | Sep 22 23:46 |
| schestowitz | stay classy | Sep 22 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | salesforce again | Sep 22 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, this is actually GNU/Linux. | Sep 22 23:47 |
| schestowitz | yes, seems unlikely to be anything else as WP doesn't work too nicely on other stacks | Sep 22 23:51 |
| schestowitz | last time I heard of WP on Windows was more than a decade ago | Sep 22 23:51 |
| schestowitz | and it did not work well | Sep 22 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I think that PHP was the sore spot | Sep 22 23:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Like nginx and Varnish are a peach :) | Sep 22 23:54 |
| schestowitz | I liked Varnish | Sep 22 23:59 |
| schestowitz | we can always readd it at some stage | Sep 22 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: axe mod_php first %) | Sep 22 23:59 |
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