●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, April 23, 2023 ●●
● Apr 23
[00:07]	psydruid	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ
[00:07]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ
[00:07]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Investigation: How Roblox Is Exploiting Young Game Developers - Invidious
[00:08]	psydruid	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTMF6xEiAaY
[00:08]	TR Bot	https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=vTMF6xEiAaY
[00:08]	TR Bot	youtube.owacon.moe | Roblox Pressured Us to Delete Our Video. So We Dug Deeper. - YouTube
[00:16]	DaemonFC	https://www.businessinsider.com/china-auto-sales-automakers-ford-gm-making-losing-market-share-2023-4?international=true&r=US&IR=T
[00:16]	TR Bot	 China Doesn't Want American Cars Anymore. That's a Problem.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	In many ways I think this is a good thing.
[00:16]	MinceR	maybe it's time for the USA to stop trading with red china
[00:16]	DaemonFC	A trade war is a good thing.
[00:16]	DaemonFC	China has never let us operate in their markets without serious interference.
[00:17]	DaemonFC	When an American company operates there, it's got to be some kind of joint venture with a Chinese company, and they control if you can actually take your profits anywhere else and they force you to have workers under a government controlled "union".
[00:17]	DaemonFC	There are no such restrictions in the US.
[00:18]	DaemonFC	When you invest here and profit, it's yours.
[00:18]	MinceR	and they conduct industrial espionage
[00:19]	MinceR	and while their masses are behind the Great Wall, they flood your masses with propaganda.
[00:19]	DaemonFC	Yeah.
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:20]	DaemonFC	MinceR, When mom handed me her retirement account, I dumped all of the holdings in third world countries and China.
[00:20]	DaemonFC	Oh my God.
[00:20]	DaemonFC	:P
[00:20]	DaemonFC	There wasn't much of that, but 3% of the Portfolio is too much.
[00:20]	DaemonFC	The biggest holding in that fund was Tencent.
[00:22]	DaemonFC	https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tencent-suffers-heavy-losses-news-152454584.html
[00:22]	TR Bot	 Tencent Suffers Heavy Losses On News Of Largest Shareholder's Stock Sale
[00:22]	DaemonFC	I don't want any holdings in China for a lot of reasons.
[00:22]	DaemonFC	Why invest in a country that abuses its citizens like that and steals from us and violates our airspace and threatens war against their neighbors?
[00:24]	DaemonFC	Tencent has learned from Apple and Microsoft I guess.
[00:24]	DaemonFC	Fire everyone and buy back worthless shares.
[00:24]	DaemonFC	:)
[00:26]	DaemonFC	What's going on inside the big tech companies is the worst accounting scandal since Enron, especially at Microsoft.
[00:26]	DaemonFC	They're dead broke and covering it up with hiring freezes, mass layoffs, product cancellations, disinvestment even from Windows and Office, and filling up unused Azure capacity with Chaff Bots.
[00:26]	DaemonFC	If they had use for the money they allegedly have, then they wouldn't be retreating and doing share buybacks.
[00:26]	TheRealPhanes	DaemonFC, thats war propaganda talking
[00:27]	TheRealPhanes	i think sometimes you forget that all of this is programming
[00:30]	MinceR	it's all a videogame
[00:30]	MinceR	but you can't play if you don't use the programming
[00:31]	TheRealPhanes	i do
[00:31]	MinceR	none of it exists without the programming
[00:31]	TheRealPhanes	oh, well yeah, i mean its an interaction platform still
[00:32]	TheRealPhanes	and in all fairness im still constantly finding things that i realize are just public programming that i need to unlearn so im just as guilty
[00:33]	MinceR	Your wicked acts are endless through the crimes we cannot name,
[00:33]	MinceR	Innocent or guilty proved, we'll burn you just the same.
[00:34]	TheRealPhanes	ha that actually sounds like some of the libera shits when they talk about me
[00:34]	TheRealPhanes	what's that from?
[00:34]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOFSKCi9IUk
[00:34]	TR Bot	https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=qOFSKCi9IUk
[00:34]	TR Bot	invidious.flokinet.to | 12-cradle of filth - For Those Who Died - Invidious
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[00:37]	TheRealPhanes	im exploring the idea of using BRICS forex
[00:40]	MinceR	what for?
[00:40]	TheRealPhanes	well, there's a chance the dollar will collapse over the next few years
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[00:41]	TheRealPhanes	and is facing competition as a reserve currency
[00:41]	TheRealPhanes	from BRICS nations
[00:46]	TheRealPhanes	unfortunately the US has gripped such a tight fist around western reporting that it's hard to get information about
[00:48]	psydruid	the new gold-backed BRICS currency?
[00:48]	TheRealPhanes	yeah
[00:49]	psydruid	I came across it somewhere, but it was just a single site or so
[00:49]	TheRealPhanes	complete media blackout
[00:49]	psydruid	I'm sure more about it exists in media from BRICS countries
[00:50]	MinceR	pillars of honesty that they are
[00:52]	TheRealPhanes	I suspect the RAND will increase a great deal in value
[00:53]	psydruid	honesty and virtue only exist in the west obviously
[00:53]	MinceR	well, they certainly don't exist in red china, or in the land of the child-abducting nuclear terrorists
[00:53]	MinceR	brazil keeps supporting the latter even after bolsy lost power
[00:54]	TheRealPhanes	interesting that you'd mentioned brazil
[00:54]	TheRealPhanes	russia and brazil are the two currencies who have grown the most over the last few years and are both participants in BRICS' challenge to the USD as a reserve currency
[00:54]	MinceR	every year humanity keeps making great arguments for the desirability of Giant Meteor
[00:54]	TheRealPhanes	shortly before gaddaffi was assassinated, libya tried to form a gold backed currency
[00:55]	MinceR	the rubble has grown?
[00:55]	TheRealPhanes	yes 
[00:55]	TheRealPhanes	30 percent in 2022
[00:56]	TheRealPhanes	our country values are less important when we're lying to everyone about everything
[00:57]	MinceR	which state isn't lying to everyone about everything?
[00:57]	TheRealPhanes	norway
[00:58]	MinceR	lol
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Apr 23
[01:00]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I was looking at the Red Robin menu again.
[01:01]	DaemonFC	It occurred to me that if you take the Arctic Cod sandwich and substitute a hamburger patty at no additional charge, add lettuce (no charge), and cheese (no charge), you have a Frisch's Big Boy at Red Robin.
[01:01]	MinceR	red robbin', eh?
[01:01]	DaemonFC	Their burgers are pretty good.
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[01:01]	DaemonFC	They keep bringing you unlimited fries. 
[01:02]	DaemonFC	I mean, you CAN go in there and just get the cheapest thing that comes with the fries and just keep eating tons of fries if you wanted to.
[01:02]	TheRealPhanes	but potatoes are poor people food
[01:03]	MinceR	then don't eat potatoes
[01:03]	MinceR	not my problem
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[01:04]	TheRealPhanes	you should save them
[01:05]	MinceR	are they in danger?
[01:06]	MinceR	also, how much of the growth of the rubble remains if you factor in that nobody's buying or selling it?
[01:09]	TheRealPhanes	i suspect that the idea that no one is, is western propaganda 
[01:09]	TheRealPhanes	it would have to be
[01:09]	MinceR	i suspect we'll find out in a few years how much was propaganda, and whose
[01:10]	TheRealPhanes	oh the russkis are just as bad with it
[01:10]	TheRealPhanes	but i think it is a distraction from the point that "just as bad" means we do it a whole lot too
[01:10]	MinceR	i'm not worried about that
[01:10]	MinceR	either humanity gets its shit together or it gets wiped out by a natural disaster eventually
[01:12]	TheRealPhanes	as long as there is no invasion or disruption of our singular food supply chain we'll be alright
[01:13]	MinceR	yeah, who cares about meteorites and stars going red giant when you can still eat tree bark
[01:15]	TheRealPhanes	i wonder if you have to go through a clearance interview to work at mansanto/beyer
[01:17]	TheRealPhanes	if i were a russian or chinese general i'd flood mansanto with infiltrants in every crevice of the organization, from sales to R&D and flood my western enemies with grain that produced a high yield but was indigestible and caused allergy problems and then use the PR arm to make anyone who complained about it sound like a tin foil hat nut
[01:18]	TheRealPhanes	and then just wait like 2 years for it to become part of every food item in the west, since the farmers are forced to buy the seeds
[01:19]	TheRealPhanes	if we were smart we'd be guarding mansanto's hiring process with national security screening services
[01:19]	MinceR	if we were smart we wouldn't let bayer have that much power in the first place
[01:19]	TheRealPhanes	i agree, it should be destroyed
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:20]	MinceR	along with the Imaginary Property bullshit that gave them so much power
[01:20]	TheRealPhanes	its a huge vulnerability in our food supply chain and it has a horrible impact on everyone's health
[01:21]	TheRealPhanes	laser it from orbit
[01:53]	XRevan86	MinceR: "the rubble has grown?" <- In 2022 when import collapsed the ruble grew. It's falling now as export's collapsing but let's not talk about that.
[01:53]	MinceR	:>
[01:53]	TR News	 (NEW): 8 Best Free and Open Source Steganography Tools http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/8_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Steganography_Tools.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/8_Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Steganography_Tools.gmi 
[01:53]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 8 Best Free and Open Source Steganography Tools
[01:54]	TR News	 (NEW): OpenShot Video Editor 3.1.1 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/OpenShot_Video_Editor_3_1_1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/OpenShot_Video_Editor_3_1_1.gmi 
[01:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines OpenShot Video Editor 3.1.1
[01:54]	TR News	 (NEW): blendOS 2 Is Already Here and Supports Android Apps Out-of-the-Box http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/blendOS_2_Is_Already_Here_and_Supports_Android_Apps_Out_of_the_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/blendOS_2_Is_Already_Here_and_Supports_Android_Apps_Out_of_the_.gmi 
[01:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines blendOS 2 Is Already Here and Supports Android Apps Out-of-the-Box
[01:55]	XRevan86	Russia is staking everything into yuan right now. So phanes talking about the prospects of ruble is telling.
[01:58]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D570.jpg
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[01:59]	TR News	can you hear it, calling in the air tonight. hold on gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1365
● Apr 23
[02:02]	TR News	Christina's 5 questions gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/agk/2023-04-22-5q.txt "Give a child structure & space to be a child"
[02:04]	TR News	"I updated my Gopherhole a bit. I added a new article to my /Gopher Novice/ series. It's about zines because I had thought that there were absent on the 90's Gophersphere." gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/szczezuja/phlog/2023-04-22-News-section.txt
[02:11]	TR News	The Fortra/GoAnywhere breach also affected healthcare entities. Heres what we know so far, Part 2. https://www.databreaches.net/the-fortra-goanywhere-breach-also-affected-healthcare-entities-heres-what-we-know-so-far-part-2/
[02:11]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.databreaches.net/the-fortra-goanywhere-breach-also-affected-healthcare-entities-heres-what-we-know-so-far-part-2/ )
[02:19]	TR News	Manjaro Linux 22.1 'Talos' is here with updates for GNOME, KDE Plasma, and Xfce https://betanews.com/2023/04/22/manjaro-linux-221-talos/
[02:19]	TR Bot	 Manjaro Linux 22.1 'Talos' is here with updates for GNOME, KDE Plasma, and Xfce
[02:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[02:21]	TR News	"An old joke is that Emacs is a text editor with an operating system included, given that its extensibility and customization often goes far beyond traditional text editors." https://hackaday.com/2023/04/22/build-your-own-bootable-emacs-environment/
[02:21]	TR Bot	Your Own Bootable Emacs Environment | Hackaday
[02:37]	TR News	In Taiwan, Windows Shedding Off Share, GNU/Linux Gaining | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/taiwan-gnu-linux-gains/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/22/taiwan-gnu-linux-gains/
[02:37]	TR Bot	 In Taiwan, Windows Shedding Off Share, GNU/Linux Gaining | Techrights
[02:38]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-220423.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-220423.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-220423.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-220423.txt
[02:38]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 22, 2023
[02:39]	TR News	Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-220423.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-220423.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-220423.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-220423.txt
[02:39]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 22, 2023
[02:40]	TR News	Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-220423.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-220423.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-220423.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-220423.txt
[02:40]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 22, 2023
[02:41]	TR News	Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-220423.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-220423.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-220423.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-220423.txt
[02:41]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 22, 2023
[02:45]	TR News	Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2023-04-22.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2023-04-22.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)
[02:46]	TR News	Sebastian Marchano on GNU Taler | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/sebastian-marchano-on-gnu-taler/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/22/sebastian-marchano-on-gnu-taler/
[02:46]	TR Bot	 Sebastian Marchano on GNU Taler | Techrights
[02:50]	TR News	New EasyJWM https://bkhome.org/news/202304/new-easyjwm.html
[02:50]	TR Bot	 New EasyJWM
[02:51]	TR News	Re-Balancing Moms Retirement. Chinese investments? https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2023/04/22/re-balancing-moms-retirement-chinese-investments/
[02:51]	TR Bot	 Re-Balancing Moms Retirement. Chinese investments? | BaronHK's Rants
[02:51]	TR News	Apple Savings Accounts. Just Marcus With Dependency on iPhones. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2023/04/22/apple-savings-accounts-just-marcus-with-dependency-on-iphones/
[02:51]	TR Bot	 Apple Savings Accounts. Just Marcus With Dependency on iPhones. | BaronHK's Rants
[02:53]	TR News	Using dd to clone my portable Mageia Linux desktop http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2023/04/using-dd-to-clone-my-portable-mageia.html
[02:53]	TR Bot	 Mandriva Linux Chronicles: Using dd to clone my portable Mageia Linux desktop
[02:55]	TR News	GNU World Order 509 http://gnuworldorder.info//audiophile/gnuWorldOrder_509_ogg.ogg
[02:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Apr 23
[03:02]	TR News	 (NEW): Turing Pi reveals RK1 CM specifications http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Turing_Pi_reveals_RK1_CM_specifications.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Turing_Pi_reveals_RK1_CM_specifications.gmi 
[03:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Turing Pi reveals RK1 CM specifications
[03:02]	IPFS	 Gemini requests since start of month:   325620 total Total number of pages in capsule: 45853      Active: active (running) since Wed 2023-03-08 20:27:21 GMT; 1 months 14 days ago
[03:02]	TR News	 (NEW): GNU Parallel 20230422 ('Grand Jury') released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/GNU_Parallel_20230422_Grand_Jury_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/GNU_Parallel_20230422_Grand_Jury_released.gmi 
[03:02]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GNU Parallel 20230422 ('Grand Jury') released
[03:03]	IPFS	 IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated.      
[03:04]	TR News	Bubble waiting to explode again https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/osfi-housing-warning-1.6815247
[03:04]	TR Bot	 Banking regulator OSFI flags housing market as risk for Canada's economy | CBC News
[03:04]	IPFS	 New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
[03:04]	TR News	Who was arrested for this? Nobody, as usual... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/19/us/politics/congress-stock-trading-banks.html
[03:04]	TR Bot	 As Fears of Banking Crisis Surged, Members of Congress Sold Bank Stocks - The New York Times
[03:06]	TR News	They also invest in war companies, IOW they give a financial incentive to start and continue wars https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/canadian-banks-fossil-fuels-1.6814560
[03:06]	TR Bot	 Banks' investments in fossil fuels threaten economy and climate alike, advocate says | CBC Radio
[03:06]	TR News	Classic greenwashing https://gizmodo.com/banks-with-net-zero-pledges-are-top-funders-of-fossil-1850347869
[03:06]	TR Bot	 Banks With Net-Zero Pledges Are Top Funders of Fossil Fuels
[03:07]	TR News	Taxpayers paying the price again for white-collar crime https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/credit-suisse-class-action-could-force-banks-clean-their-act-says-finance-expert-1715144
[03:07]	TR Bot	 Credit Suisse class action could force banks to clean up their act, says finance expert
[03:08]	TR News	</blockquote></li> When you keep failing to arrest white-collar criminals they know they can get away with anything without punishment https://jacobin.com/2023/04/greedflation-inflation-price-gouging-corporate-profits-central-banks-economists/
[03:08]	TR Bot	 Many People Are Saying It: Corporate Greed Is Stoking Inflation
[03:10]	TR News	Move to GNU/Linux https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/microsoft-set-bring-more-ads-windows-11-start-menu-whether-you-like-it-not-1715229
[03:10]	TR Bot	 Microsoft set to bring more ads to Windows 11 Start Menu, whether you like it or not
[03:12]	TR News	Revenue down, layoffs, now this https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-windows-11-ads-start-menu-365-onedrive-badgin-1850343412
[03:12]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Isnt Done Shoving Ads Into Windows 11
[03:13]	TR News	Microsoft is criminals https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-farce-of-microsofts-anti-racism-and-the-capture-of-academia/
[03:13]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-farce-of-microsofts-anti-racism-and-the-capture-of-academia/ )
[03:14]	TR News	A bogus patent battle https://www.patentdocs.org/2023/04/amgen-inc-v-sandoz-inc-fed-cir-2023.html
[03:14]	TR Bot	 Patent Docs: Amgen Inc. v. Sandoz Inc. (Fed. Cir. 2023)
[03:15]	TR News	Strong evidence of USPTO revolving doors corruption (Kappos and Iancu) http://www.fosspatents.com/2023/04/draft-sep-regulation-threatens-eu.html
[03:15]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: Draft SEP regulation threatens EU Commission's credibility at WTO level, may backfire big-time: issues outlined by former U.S. government officials and senior Qualcomm lawyer
[03:16]	TR News	Germany uses corruption to attract patent litigation. ILLEGAL EPO, illegal UPC. what does that make Germany if not outlaw state? http://www.fosspatents.com/2023/04/interdigital-v-oppo-patent-infringement.html
[03:16]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: InterDigital v. OPPO patent infringement lawsuits stayed in Mannheim (formally) and Munich (de facto) after Federal Patent Court rendered negative preliminary opinions
[03:16]	TR News	Software patents again http://www.fosspatents.com/2023/04/mpeg-la-settles-patent-enforcement.html http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/MPEG-LA
[03:16]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: MPEG LA settles patent enforcement actions against former pool contributor Samsung Electronics--but contract dispute apparently continues in NY state court
[03:16]	TR Bot	 MPEG-LA - Techrights
[03:17]	TheRealPhanes	im blanking on the name of this thing, and i need to remember it so i can implement it in a system im building
[03:17]	TheRealPhanes	you know when you go to like a community cork bulletin board and somebody's selling a good or service, and they have little cuts on the bottom of the add that you tear off that act like calling cards?
[03:17]	TheRealPhanes	what are those called?
[03:18]	TR News	FRAND is a fraud and way of imposing illegal patents on those who can least afford that http://www.fosspatents.com/2023/04/qualcomm-outlines-reciprocal-frand.html
[03:18]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: Qualcomm outlines Reciprocal FRAND Agreement as superior alternative to European Commission's "fatally-flawed proposal" of non-binding standard-essential patent valuations
[03:19]	TR News	Avanci is a large patent troll http://www.fosspatents.com/2023/04/samsung-joins-avancis-automotive.html
[03:19]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: Samsung joins Avanci's automotive standard-essential patent pools as licensor (in addition to previously announced participation in Avanci Broadcast)
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:21]	TR News	Focusing on "diversity" instead of the disease of patent maximalism; nice distracting from the principal problem; corporations use women to change the subject http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2023/04/amendments-to-uk-patents-court-guide.html
[03:21]	TR Bot	 Amendments to UK Patents Court Guide paves way for increased diversity - The IPKat
[03:22]	TR News	Bribery by large corporations will "correct" sane policies http://www.fosspatents.com/2023/04/european-commissions-take-on-patent.html
[03:22]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: European Commission's take on patent pools has turned negative: draft impact assessment makes up and distorts facts, relies on conflicted "researcher"
[03:26]	TR News	Nazi era https://www.dw.com/en/photography-s-diverse-roles-during-the-nazi-era/a-65344222 https://www.dw.com/en/the-different-roles-of-photography-during-the-nazi-era/a-65344222
[03:26]	TR Bot	diverse roles during the Nazi era DW 04/17/2023
[03:28]	TR News	"cloudnativenow" = GAFAM and "LF" taking over sites to relay propaganda campaigns, not news, but they're hijacking actual sites that used to do news
[03:30]	TR News	ClownNative is a bit of a contradiction anyway, like "lovely tragedy". Clown computing typically means outsourcing, otherwise it's not "clown", it's just server in every traditional sense. They are just desperate to rebrand every single thing "clown" and then fake "growth"...
[03:31]	TR News	The latest propaganda from the car "industry" is that sales (of EVs) are soaring. Sure, sales in general are down, so let's focus only on the new models, ignore the rest...
[03:32]	TR News	Media should never have become a relayer of lies. More people became cynical about it, so no wonder it is collapsing. There's no trust anymore.
[03:33]	TR News	"Linux is hard to use" is still repeated by many so-called 'journalists' who never even bothered to try it.
[03:40]	TR News	Just end service. Get the F out. https://gizmodo.com/whatsapp-signal-uk-online-safety-bill-encryption-censor-1850347516
[03:40]	TR Bot	 WhatsApp, Signal Threaten to Leave UK Over 'Online Safety Bill'
[03:42]	TR News	maybe if our politicians were NOT social control media ADDICTS, we'd not be easily BLACKMAILED by all those manipulation (censorship, surveillance, propaganda) companies from overseas
[03:43]	TR News	Politicians who rely heavily on tiktok/Fentanylware are pawns of China. Politicians who rely heavily on Twitter, Facebook etc. are beholden to the Pentagon.
[03:45]	TR News	Pakistan also has nuclear weapons https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/04/19/nuclear-energy-in-pakistan-harnessing-the-power-confronting-the-complexities/
[03:45]	TR Bot	 Nuclear Energy in Pakistan: Harnessing the Power, Confronting the Complexities - Modern Diplomacy
[03:46]	TR News	What took so long. Denmark was never tough on white-dollar crime (see DKPTO) https://cphpost.dk/2023-04-20/news/eight-arrests-following-discovery-of-energy-company-fraud-amounting-to-billions-of-kroner/
[03:46]	TR Bot	 Eight arrests following discovery of energy company fraud amounting to billions of kroner - The Copenhagen Post The Copenhagen Post
[03:47]	TR News	Did they take private jets there? https://www.dw.com/en/g7-ministers-pledge-to-speed-up-clean-energy-transition/a-65336711
[03:47]	TR Bot	ministers pledge to speed up clean energy transition DW 04/16/2023
[03:48]	TR News	There is no labour shortage. That's a lie. DW promotes lies. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hannover-fair-to-tackle-energy-and-labor-shortage/a-65310441
[03:48]	TR Bot	Hannover Fair to tackle energy and labor shortage DW 04/15/2023
[03:49]	TR News	Media and social control media: promoting clickbait and lies as a business model https://reason.com/2023/04/21/buzzfeed-news-dead-facebook-mark-zuckerberg-social-media/
[03:49]	TR Bot	 The Death of BuzzFeed News Was a Facebook Murder-Suicide
[03:50]	TR News	Fewer spies https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/4/18/23688627/meta-layoffs-mark-zuckerberg-facebook-instagram-whatsapp
[03:50]	TR Bot	layoffs: Facebook and Instagram owner is on its next round of layoffs - Vox
[03:54]	TR News	I made a Soroban gemini://laniakea.rodoste.de/journal/2023-04-22-soroban.gmi
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[04:10]	TR News	Techrights IPFS traffic this past month: 800+ GB
[04:11]	TR News	Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, April 22, 2023 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives
[04:11]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[04:11]	TR News	Techrights full IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt
[04:11]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:31]	TR News	He didn't pay anything. Stop relaying mindless spin. https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-paying-blue-checkmarks-twitter-stephen-king-1850361244
[04:31]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk Admits He's Paying for Stephen Kings Blue Checkmark
[04:32]	TR News	How to put off prolific accounts https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-twitter-blue-advertisers-required-1850361922
[04:32]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk Demands Advertisers Buy Twitter Blue to Run Ads
[04:32]	TheRealPhanes	that's awesome
[04:33]	TR News	Clearly has no clue what the heck he was (and is) doing https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-twitter-npr-bbc-rt-xinhua-delete-media-label-1850361523
[04:33]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk Deletes All Labels for Media Outlets on Twitter
[04:33]	TR News	Plagiarism engines https://gizmodo.com/stack-overflow-charging-ai-companies-for-training-data-1850362500
[04:33]	TR Bot	 Stack Overflow Will Charge AI Companies for Training Data
[04:34]	TheRealPhanes	the media labels were a good idea
[04:34]	TheRealPhanes	too bad
[04:35]	TR News	Musk is himself government funded https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/twitter-changes-tags-1.6817729
[04:35]	TR Bot	 Twitter removes 'government-funded media' tags, blue checks | CBC News
[04:35]	TR News	"Legacy" https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/twitter-purges-legacy-blue-checkmarks/
[04:35]	TR Bot	Purges Legacy Blue Check Marks - CNET
[04:36]	TR News	Those badges have turned from arbitrary endorsement into "token of me paying corrupt Musk" https://www.dw.com/en/twitter-puts-end-to-blue-tick-for-users-who-don-t-pay/a-65391446
[04:36]	TR Bot	puts end to blue tick for users who don't pay DW 04/21/2023
[04:36]	TheRealPhanes	his movements really do indicate some kind of intelligence agency at work
[04:37]	TR News	Musk receives a lot of money from American taxpayers https://www.dw.com/en/twitter-removes-government-funded-media-labels/a-65404554
[04:37]	TR Bot	removes 'government-funded' media labels DW 04/21/2023
[04:37]	TR News	Not April 1st as initially planned https://www.engadget.com/the-morning-after-twitter-legacy-blue-111521353.html
[04:37]	TR Bot	Morning After: Twitter is pulling legacy blue verification checkmarks | Engadget
[04:38]	TR News	Andrew Lee imitated https://www.engadget.com/twitter-pulls-government-funded-label-from-media-accounts-141046730.html
[04:38]	TR Bot	pulls 'government-funded' label from media accounts | Engadget
[04:39]	TR News	Everything down the drain yet? https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2023/04/elon-musk-twitter-spacex-tesla/673808/
[04:39]	TR Bot	 Elon Musks Disastrous Week - The Atlantic
[04:39]	TR News	Dangerous bubble https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/04/musk-twitter-shame-amplification/673814/
[04:39]	TR Bot	 Elon Musks Lasting Twitter Legacy - The Atlantic
[04:40]	TR News	Reminder of who or what really runs Twitter https://cpj.org/2023/04/journalists-in-india-arrested-threatened-suspended-from-twitter-in-separate-incidents/
[04:40]	TR Bot	 Journalists in India arrested, threatened, suspended from Twitter in separate incidents - Committee to Protect Journalists
[04:41]	TR News	Twitter will drive away some high profile accounts this way https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-begins-to-kill-legacy-blue-checks-on-420-1850358635
[04:41]	TR Bot	 Legacy Blue Checks Begin to Disappear on Twitter
[04:41]	TheRealPhanes	schestowitz[TR2], can you write an article on how the twitter people became the anti-twitter people, and how they're batshit crazy
[04:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	this hypohesis of your does not make sense
[04:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	write about that on your own
[04:42]	TheRealPhanes	i mean, i kinda do
[04:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	also mention how you contributed to the downfall of freenode while on thew payroll of Lee
[04:43]	TheRealPhanes	i already did that
[04:43]	TheRealPhanes	schestowitz[TR2], do you need the link?
[04:43]	TheRealPhanes	schestowitz[TR2], https://phanes.silogroup.org/bye-freenode/
[04:43]	TR Bot	 Bye, Freenode Phanes' Canon
[04:44]	TheRealPhanes	schestowitz[TR2], for context: https://phanes.silogroup.org/frank-gingras-is-a-former-stalker-of-mine/
[04:44]	TR Bot	 Frank Gingras is a Former Stalker of Mine Phanes' Canon
[04:44]	TR News	No net gain here, unless the goal is to hasten the platform's stability https://www.engadget.com/twitter-starts-pulling-legacy-blue-verification-checkmarks-205010576.html
[04:44]	TR Bot	starts pulling legacy blue verification checkmarks | Engadget
[04:44]	TheRealPhanes	schestowitz[TR2], more context: https://phanes.silogroup.org/vae-victis/
[04:44]	TR Bot	 Vae Victis! Phanes' Canon
[04:45]	TR News	Stats have already shown that almost nobody pays. And when it all collapses those who pay will stop paying. https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/elon-musk-s-twitter-begins-removing-blue-checks-from-users-who-don-t-pay-20230421-p5d26r.html
[04:45]	TR Bot	 Elon Musks Twitter begins removing blue checks from accounts
[04:46]	TR News	Why pay? Twitter should pay high-profile users, not the other way around https://www.twincities.com/2023/04/20/twitter-begins-removing-blue-checks-from-users-who-dont-pay
[04:46]	TR Bot	 Twitter begins removing blue checks from users who dont pay Twin Cities
[04:48]	TR News	Twitter as a CHOKEPOINT against journalism https://cpj.org/?p=278298
[04:48]	TR News	10 years from now people will ask him, "what's Twitter?" https://gizmodo.com/matt-walsh-hacker-says-he-did-it-for-entertainment-1850354548
[04:48]	TR Bot	 Matt Walsh's Twitter Hacker: I Was Just 'Stirring Up Some Drama'
[04:49]	TR News	Twitter killed many other things with the API move https://hackaday.com/2023/04/19/little-twitter-game-boy-wont-work-now-the-api-is-dead/
[04:49]	TR Bot	Twitter Game Boy Wont Work Now The API Is Dead | Hackaday
[04:50]	TR News	Web APIs are risky and unstable. If you develop for them you ensure your work will stop working, and not due to your OWN choices.
[04:50]	TheRealPhanes	^ that's not true at all
[04:51]	TR News	Is it like a secret that US government reads your 'private' Twitter messages? https://reason.com/video/2023/04/19/elon-musk-warns-tucker-carlson-the-feds-are-in-your-twitter-dms/
[04:51]	TheRealPhanes	APIs only break down over time if they're designed poorly to depend on external systems that do change and are outside of the sphere of control of the system developer
[04:51]	TR Bot	 Elon Musk Warns Tucker Carlson: The Feds Are in Your Twitter DMs
[04:52]	TR News	Linking a person to a past name/identity https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-twitter-transphobia-misgender-deadname-glaad-1850350010
[04:52]	TR Bot	 Twitter Decides Misgendering and Deadnaming Are OK, Actually
[04:53]	TR News	Breaking a lot of things, which is technically dumb https://gizmodo.com/twitter-elon-musk-mta-nws-bart-noaa-bots-api-shut-down-1850345806
[04:53]	TR Bot	 MTA, NWS, BART, NOAA Twitter Bots Nuked After Elon Musk Tweaks
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	TheRealPhanes: this is an external dep
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	if i rely on some gnome api
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	i can rejecct the latest gnome
[04:53]	schestowitz[TR2]	or fork something
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	or write some compatibility layer
[04:54]	TheRealPhanes	that would fall under "designed poorly to depend on external systems that do change and are outside of the sphere of control of the system developer"
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	TheRealPhanes: https://pressgazette.co.uk/platforms/news-publishers-leaving-twitter/
[04:54]	TR Bot	 News publishers arent leaping from Twitter in droves (yet)
[04:54]	schestowitz[TR2]	API fees
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	the other day I had to rewrite some code
[04:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	because of some legayc bot stuff
[04:56]	TR News	Social control media is a BUBBLE https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/parler-shut-down-new-owner-starboard-twitter-clone-conservatives-1235583709/
[04:56]	TR Bot	Shut Down by New Owner: 'Twitter Clone' Not a 'Viable Business' - Variety
[04:57]	TR News	Linking a person to a past ID is essential for history and for evidence-gathering https://www.engadget.com/twitter-quietly-reversed-its-policies-to-allow-for-intentional-deadnaming-and-misgendering-181754382.html
[04:57]	TR Bot	quietly reversed its policies to allow for intentional deadnaming and misgendering | Engadget
[04:57]	TheRealPhanes	yeah im like 99% sure "deadnaming" is a device used entirely to prevent a person's past behaviour from being linked to their current behaviour
[04:58]	TR News	This is only the beginning. The "network effect" now is LEAVING Twitter. https://www.thelocal.se/20230418/swedish-public-broadcaster-sr-ceases-activities-on-twitter
[04:58]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thelocal.se/20230418/swedish-public-broadcaster-sr-ceases-activities-on-twitter )
[04:58]	TheRealPhanes	one of those feigned insults that community has forged for its political conquests in its incontestable position of power
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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[05:00]	TheRealPhanes	it's actually really bizarre watching those community reps leveral serious power in the course of positioning themselves as disadvantaged
[05:00]	psydruid	it's important to see through it and not succumb to their fake indignation
[05:01]	TR News	Musk doing a joseon https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/4/18/23687125/elon-musk-twitter-x-super-app-wechat
[05:01]	TR Bot	Musk wants to turn Twitter into a super app called X - Vox
[05:02]	TheRealPhanes	it's a tricky line.  because one of their classic devices is using you seeing through it to build content to defame with you by manipulating the context.  so, it's more nuanced and dangerous than it sounds.  you can be misportrayed as "transphobic" before you even get a chance to explain yourself.
[05:02]	TheRealPhanes	the twitter people are a social disease
[05:02]	TheRealPhanes	the trans community is not
[05:03]	TR News	A lot of the hate comes from Twitter's own management https://www.engadget.com/twitter-will-label-tweets-limited-due-to-hate-policy-violations-170438879.html
[05:03]	TR Bot	will label tweets limited due to hate policy violations | Engadget
[05:03]	TheRealPhanes	s/twitter people/neo-anti-twitter people?/
[05:03]	TheRealPhanes	the post-musk anti-twitter people
[05:03]	TheRealPhanes	whatever the fuck that means
[05:04]	TR News	This WON'T be the last. Give or take another 3 months... they will leave in droves. Like Freenode 24 months ago. .usnews.com/news/us/articles/2023-04-17/cbc-pausing-twitter-after-government-funded-media-label
[05:05]	TheRealPhanes	maybe, maybe not.  it's unwise to compare this to freenode, musk is using a playbook that is keen to the tricks used by his opponents.  the adversary type is the same in both scenarios, but the protagonist is more developed and is more research-guided, likely having learned from observation of freenode's fall.
[05:05]	TR News	Musk servicing 14 billion dollars (and still GROWING) in Twitter debt. What will his Saudi backers make of their "investment"?
[05:06]	TheRealPhanes	they also make better use of their PR resources
[05:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	it will end up like parler
[05:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	shut down
[05:06]	TheRealPhanes	oh certainly not
[05:07]	TheRealPhanes	parler actually hurt the people who shut it down long term
[05:08]	TR News	Elephants not in their natural habitat though https://nltimes.nl/2023/04/18/three-african-elephants-dutch-safari-park-pregnant-time
[05:08]	TR Bot	 Three African elephants at Dutch safari park are pregnant at the same time | NL Times
[05:08]	TheRealPhanes	it was a cesspool for sure, but, the act and reasoning behind shutting it down, as well as the collaboration between providers to do it, completely shook consumer trust in those hosting providers to the foundation
[05:08]	TheRealPhanes	it hurt the entire CSP market
[05:08]	TR News	More urgent needs exist https://www.dw.com/en/space-industry-africa-is-ready-for-liftoff/a-65373644
[05:08]	TR Bot	industry: Africa is ready for liftoff DW 04/20/2023
[05:09]	TheRealPhanes	watch france steal their moonbase
[05:09]	TR News	Space trash https://gizmodo.com/defunct-nasa-satellite-disintegrates-over-northern-afri-1850356998
[05:09]	TR Bot	 Defunct NASA Satellite Disintegrates Over Northern Africa
[05:10]	TR News	Economic Growth https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/04/21/using-geopolitical-complexities-and-contradictions-for-africas-economic-growth/
[05:10]	TR Bot	 Using Geopolitical Complexities and Contradictions for Africa's Economic Growth - Modern Diplomacy
[05:11]	TR News	"labor market" is the language of 'capitalist pigs' https://www.dw.com/en/africa-strives-to-revamp-universities-for-the-modern-labor-market/a-65399207 educate, don't indoctrinate
[05:11]	TR Bot	strives to revamp its universities DW 04/21/2023
[05:14]	TR News	Mining, manufacturing, recharging still cause a lot of pollution https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/lithium-price-drop-electric-vehicles-1.6811105
[05:14]	TR Bot	 Major drop in lithium prices could mean cheaper electric vehicles | CBC News
[05:15]	TR News	Twitter dying https://www.engadget.com/canadas-cbc-is-the-latest-to-leave-twitter-in-objection-to-goverment-funded-label-212524059.html
[05:15]	TR Bot	CBC is the latest to leave Twitter in objection to 'goverment-funded' label | Engadget
[05:16]	TheRealPhanes	have they considered not being government funded?
[05:16]	TR News	Rich people's parties https://jacobin.com/2023/04/canada-liberal-party-budget-austerity-wages-housing-environment/
[05:16]	TR Bot	 Canadas New Budget Is a Typical Liberal Road Map for Failing the Working Class
[05:18]	TR News	Strike https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/westjet-pilot-strike-vote-favour-1.6814216
[05:18]	TR Bot	 WestJet pilots vote in favour of strike mandate, could walk before May long weekend | CBC News
[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Users Are Worried: Whats Going On with SolusOS http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/20/Users_Are_Worried_What_s_Going_On_with_SolusOS.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/02/20/Users_Are_Worried_What_s_Going_On_with_SolusOS.gmi 
[05:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Users Are Worried: Whats Going On with SolusOS
[05:43]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/21/opinions/income-tax-wealthy-hodge/index.html
[05:43]	TR Bot	Think the rich dont pay their fair share? Think again | CNN
[05:43]	DaemonFC	LOL
[05:43]	DaemonFC	It's amazing what hyperinflation and joblessness can do.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	The tax brackets are being adjusted for inflation, but our pay is going up by less than inflation.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	So they keep us at the 10% bracket and then complain we're in the 10% bracket when they don't pay us.
[05:44]	DaemonFC	Nobody wants to be in a higher tax bracket. And nobody in their right mind is going to forego tax credits that wipe out most of their tax obligation.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	"Oh, here's $1000 more of my money this year. Hey, and while you're at it could you take 12%? No! 15%!"
[05:45]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[05:46]	DaemonFC	There's actually a Treasury Web site where you can go to pay the government even when you don't have to.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	I know, weird, right?
[05:46]	DaemonFC	https://www.pay.gov/public/form/start/23779454/
[05:46]	TR Bot	- Gifts to Reduce the Public Debt
[05:46]	TR News	But mostly Windows https://www.engadget.com/security-researchers-find-lockbit-ransomware-can-target-macos-devices-164446912.html
[05:46]	TR Bot	researchers find LockBit ransomware can target macOS devices | Engadget
[05:47]	DaemonFC	Does throwing Elon Musk in the lake so that he doesn't soak us for $5-6 billion worth of Tesla "credits" each year count?
[05:48]	DaemonFC	https://www.pay.gov/public/form/preview/pdf/101
[05:48]	TR Bot	- Page Unavailable
[05:48]	DaemonFC	There ought to be a part on this form where you certify that you've lost your goddamned mind and want to give your money to them.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	No thanks, I was saving up!
[05:49]	DaemonFC	Government: For what?
[05:50]	TheRealPhanes	DaemonFC, the tax bracket thing is actually a myth.  when you make more and get bumped up to a higher bracket, only the money you make after you break that threshold is taxed at the higher rate
[05:50]	TR News	librarians https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/21/how-to-support-your-local-librarians/
[05:50]	TR Bot	to Support Your Local Librarians - CounterPunch.org
[05:50]	DaemonFC	Oh, you know, that next thing that comes around every 12 months like clockwork where you threaten to toss me in prison if I don't give it to you then!
[05:50]	DaemonFC	That's not accurate.
[05:50]	DaemonFC	TurboTax shows that if you add income and go into another bracket then all of it gets taxed at that bracket.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	It's not a hybrid bracket system.
[05:51]	TheRealPhanes	well then turbotax is wrong
[05:51]	DaemonFC	Some states have that though.
[05:51]	TR News	My grill lost its Internet connection. How am I supposed to cook remotely? Heck, how will RUSHAN HAX0RS cook for me? https://www.engadget.com/best-smart-grills-and-how-to-choose-one-153006286.html
[05:51]	TR Bot	to shop for a smart grill | Engadget
[05:51]	TheRealPhanes	who the hell wants smart appliances
[05:52]	TR News	"Smart" grills are for consumers with fried brains
[05:52]	TheRealPhanes	that always seemed like something marketers started selling when nobody asked for it
[05:52]	DaemonFC	Eh, okay.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	I just looked at the forms. Yeah.
[05:52]	DaemonFC	I don't know, I haven't filed a paper return in so long I guess I forgot.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	I think the last paper tax return I filed at the federal level was 2002?
[05:53]	TheRealPhanes	more money is more money.  employers use this lie often to justify lower salary increases
[05:53]	DaemonFC	The only reason I had to send a paper return to Illinois once was the first year I filed here and they'd never heard of me before so their e-file kicked it back.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	So I just started from the federal form and filled out the state one like it said to.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Well, more money is kind of more money.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	There are cases for keeping your AGI down.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Like the SAVERS Credit.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	If you'll go slightly over, you should do something about that.
[05:54]	TheRealPhanes	these are systems designed to keep poor people poor
[05:54]	TheRealPhanes	its a trap
[05:55]	DaemonFC	How does taking $1,000 off your tax bill every year keep you poor?
[05:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	and powerless
[05:55]	DaemonFC	While the rest is in a retirement account?
[05:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	poor and powerless not always the same
[05:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can be highly paid and still be powerless
[05:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	in the workplace etc.
[05:55]	TheRealPhanes	you think you're going to retire?  by the time you do, that money won't even fill your gas tank.  you need to invest aggressively your entire life.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	I keep hitting them with the SAVERS Credit at the $1,000 level by making the retirement contribution whatever it has to be to go under that level of AGI.
[05:55]	schestowitz[TR2]	same for working conditions
[05:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	leverage, conditions and salary not the same thing
[05:56]	DaemonFC	Also, when you have earned income and Social Security on the same 1040, lowering the AGI from the W-2 can also lower the taxable Social Security portion.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	And that's money they don't ever get to tax.
[05:56]	TheRealPhanes	i'd take a 300k dollar apartment building over a million dollar retirement portfolio any day
[05:57]	DaemonFC	Oh, my mom has raided her retirement money so many times, each one with them taking $128 for sending her a thousand dollar check.
[05:57]	DaemonFC	I mean, with money....not smart.
[05:57]	TheRealPhanes	hire a property management service, and replace a water heater every couple years.  done.  enjoy your retirement.
[05:57]	DaemonFC	They charge $128 whether you take out $1,000 or $10,000 or $100,000.
[05:57]	TR News	ICBM: HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2023/04/how-to-get-substantial-value-from-ai.html
[05:58]	TR Bot	 Irving Wladawsky-Berger: How to Leverage AI for Substantial Business Value
[05:58]	DaemonFC	So if you're going to take it, take it.
[05:58]	DaemonFC	Otherwise, leave it the hell alone.
[05:58]	DaemonFC	Yes that is an outrageous fee. Walmart's plan only charges like $15 I think.
[05:58]	DaemonFC	Just another way the Catholics are ripping my mother off.
[05:58]	TheRealPhanes	retirement plans in general are ripoffs
[05:58]	DaemonFC	They picked a retirement account company that's as crooked as they are.
[05:59]	TheRealPhanes	401k is not a good investment device
[05:59]	DaemonFC	That must have taken some doing.
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[05:59]	DaemonFC	If you don't do it, you don't get the match or the credit.
[05:59]	TheRealPhanes	a 401k is nice to have in addition to an investment strategy that doesn't depend on it
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[06:00]	DaemonFC	The match doubles your money up to 6% of your paycheck and the credit hands you $1,000 you don't have to give back, ever.
[06:00]	TheRealPhanes	yeah if you get 1:1 employer matching, but good luck getting that.  most employers only match like 5% up to the first 5k or something dumb like that
[06:00]	DaemonFC	Well, the match and the credit are the only reasons to even fuck around with this.
[06:00]	DaemonFC	Walmart's is an open-ended match of up to 6% of your gross income.
[06:00]	TR News	Nobody was actually arrested for this https://www.engadget.com/heres-how-to-claim-your-cut-of-metas-725-million-cambridge-analytica-class-action-settlement-163255438.html
[06:00]	TR Bot	how to claim your cut of Meta's $725 million Cambridge Analytica class action settlement | Engadget
[06:01]	DaemonFC	They have a fairly generous match because most people either don't work there long enough to qualify or aren't smart enough to know to take it.
[06:01]	DaemonFC	And if they do, most are managers.
[06:02]	TR News	Gershkovich https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2023/04/how-to-support-evan-gershkovich/673777/
[06:02]	TR Bot	 Evan Gershkovichs Defiance - The Atlantic
[06:02]	DaemonFC	Very rarely do you get anyone working the retail floor that is smart enough to know about retirement account matches or tax credits.
[06:02]	DaemonFC	All they know about credits is the more babies they make, the more the state gives them.
[06:03]	TheRealPhanes	a good policy for breeding the working poor
[06:03]	DaemonFC	It's a shit sandwich and if you don't want to pay for more baby making credits, take the damn retirement credit.
[06:03]	DaemonFC	Richard Stallman said it best.
[06:04]	DaemonFC	The reason that stupid people breed so much is.... "It's not difficult to do. Even some fish can figure it out."
[06:04]	DaemonFC	Another reason is because in this sad, sick, dying world, who else would want to?
[06:04]	DaemonFC	But when your only planning is, fuck, eat, buy lotto tickets, and go to jail every once in a while.....
[06:04]	DaemonFC	You don't consider this.
[06:04]	TheRealPhanes	if you think about the US as a big debtor prison all our problems make more sense.  no real healthcare, just something expensive that gaslights them until its untreatable and then they die, but, they *have* health care so they don't riot.  they get paid per baby.  the old never get to retire.  all their money goes to housing, food, and occassional recreation
[06:05]	DaemonFC	YES!
[06:05]	TR News	Nowadays people buy gadgets while animals die (without proper supervision) https://www.theage.com.au/traveller/reviews-and-advice/leaving-your-pet-at-home-for-a-holiday-how-to-find-a-reliable-sitter-20230405-p5cyds.html
[06:05]	DaemonFC	THIS!
[06:05]	TR Bot	 How to find pet sitters when going on holiday
[06:05]	TheRealPhanes	anything that would break social programming like psychedelics is banned
[06:05]	DaemonFC	I went to one of those shitty sliding fee county doctors about my blood pressure.
[06:05]	TheRealPhanes	only things that make them sick can be used as medicine or recreation
[06:05]	DaemonFC	She told me eat less salt and walked back out with her clipboard.
[06:06]	DaemonFC	So I went to a real doctor and I'm on medicine now.
[06:06]	DaemonFC	Guess how much it costs to go to a real doctor.
[06:06]	DaemonFC	:)
[06:06]	DaemonFC	When the government ones that treat poor people for their recurring syphilis don't care about your blood pressure....
[06:06]	DaemonFC	You have to pay up if you want to live.
[06:06]	TR News	Philosophy masculinity https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2023/04/how-to-think-like-a-woman-regan-penaluna-book-review/673728/"
[06:06]	TR Bot	 Philosophy Needs More Women - The Atlantic
[06:07]	DaemonFC	<TheRealPhanes> only things that make them sick can be used as medicine or recreation
[06:07]	DaemonFC	You mean like smoking.
[06:07]	DaemonFC	Yeah, tax the fuck out of that to prop up the state while they die and the state watches them die.
[06:07]	TR News	tomshardware still in bed with Microsoft and its hardware partners. tomshardware is rendering itself obsolete.
[06:07]	DaemonFC	Brilliant.
[06:07]	TheRealPhanes	DaemonFC, fwiw i spent like two weeks repeatedly visiting ortho for repeated x-rays before my ortho would acknowledge that my obviously broken arm was broken so i could get it treated before it turned gangrenous
[06:07]	DaemonFC	No Social Security so it's a twofer.
[06:08]	DaemonFC	That sounds about right.
[06:08]	TR News	CNET used to ACTUALLY be a tech site. Now it's a spam site which uses technical means (SEO) in pursuit of quick bucks. E.g. https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/nottingham-forest-vs-man-united-livestream-how-to-watch-premier-league-soccer-from-anywhere/
[06:08]	TR Bot	Forest vs. Man United Livestream: How to Watch Premier League Soccer From Anywhere - CNET
[06:08]	TheRealPhanes	i have an esophegal tear that needs fixed next from years ago, but that will have to develop into something horrible before they'll look at it
[06:08]	DaemonFC	I sprained my ankle pretty bad and the ER gave me an Ibuprofen and a really expensive x-ray, and a $5 piece of shit to walk around in.
[06:08]	DaemonFC	Then sent a $6,000 bill.
[06:09]	TR News	CNET will shut down in a few years. Then ZDNet will join it. ZDNet already produces very little new "content". Shoestring budget, ugly new redesign.
[06:09]	DaemonFC	Next time you sprain something, go to the Walmart.
[06:09]	TheRealPhanes	ive considered moving to mexico
[06:09]	DaemonFC	Get yourself a bottle of Ibuprofen, some epsom salt for soaking it in, and a $5 splint.
[06:10]	TheRealPhanes	when im relatively young and healthy the US is fine but as i get older, its more clear that ill never get real medical treatment if i stay stateside
[06:10]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the State's Attorney here is suing the insulin people for price gouging.
[06:10]	DaemonFC	He says 11% of Lake County, IL has diabetes.
[06:10]	DaemonFC	STATE OF ILL
[06:11]	TheRealPhanes	lol
[06:11]	DaemonFC	The only reason the local government cares at all is the state government obligated them to pay for the insulin sometimes.
[06:11]	TheRealPhanes	honestly if they just fixed our fucking food supply chains and kept all the poison out they wouldn't have an 11% diabetic rate
[06:12]	TR News	Microsofters and Slashdot pushing Microsoft's and GAFAM's marketing ploy, sold in "Linux" clothing (misleading) https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/04/21/1736208/linux-foundation-launches-new-organization-to-maintain-tla
[06:12]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Launches New Organization To Maintain TLA+ - Slashdot
[06:12]	DaemonFC	Given the choice between pissing the money down a rat hole and keeping some diabetic crackhead that sauntered into the Lake County Health Dept alive, what do you think they'd rather do?
[06:12]	TheRealPhanes	this takes me back to my debtor prison analogy
[06:12]	TheRealPhanes	cheap food, bad for you, but lots of it
[06:12]	DaemonFC	Yeah.
[06:12]	DaemonFC	$5 to eat at Taco HELL.
[06:12]	TheRealPhanes	more than that now
[06:13]	DaemonFC	They still have a combo meal that is $5.
[06:13]	DaemonFC	But it's getting sadder all the time.
[06:13]	TheRealPhanes	and hopefully some disgruntled stoner didn't contaminate it before you ordered it
[06:13]	TheRealPhanes	i dont eat at taco bell, too many food quality issues
[06:13]	DaemonFC	Jerking off into the taco meat?
[06:13]	DaemonFC	Happens.
[06:14]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], ^
[06:14]	TheRealPhanes	its also disgusting food even without tampering issues
[06:14]	DaemonFC	Good source of protein!
[06:14]	DaemonFC	"Look at me. Jerking off into the taco meat vat. This is the high point of my day. It all goes downhill from here."
[06:14]	DaemonFC	Sort of a more disgusting opening for American Beauty with Kevin Spacey.
[06:14]	TheRealPhanes	the sad truth is when that happens it probably is
[06:14]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[06:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	taco with jerky
[06:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	i had vegan jerky an hour ago
[06:15]	TheRealPhanes	if its vegan its not jerky
[06:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	yeah
[06:15]	DaemonFC	Nobody should have to do that.
[06:15]	DaemonFC	I hope you didn't pay for it.
[06:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	we got them 10p each
[06:15]	DaemonFC	Bill's Jerky
[06:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	instead fo 2.20 iirc
[06:16]	DaemonFC	Creepy Uncle Jerks in Your Mouth
[06:16]	TheRealPhanes	ive got a whole pork shoulder in my freezer, thinking about throwing it on the grill, but not really sure how to cook it
[06:16]	DaemonFC	You season it and then....wait for it....
[06:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: not every vegan thing is "uncle creepy"
[06:16]	DaemonFC	You GRILL it.
[06:16]	TheRealPhanes	DaemonFC, too thick for grilling
[06:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	nor patented by his billness
[06:16]	DaemonFC	:)
[06:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	some are
[06:17]	DaemonFC	Well, you thaw it and cut it up and then season and grill it.
[06:17]	TheRealPhanes	i may put it in the oven instead
[06:17]	TheRealPhanes	let it fall apart after baking it all day at like 250
[06:17]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], Red Robin adds $3 to a burger if you have them put a Bill's Burger patty on it instead of real food.
[06:17]	DaemonFC	Creepy Uncle Bill's Certified 100% Lab Garbage
[06:18]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR2], That Impossible and Beyond crap really fizzled out.
[06:18]	DaemonFC	McDonalds canceled it and soon there won't be a Burger King.
[06:18]	TheRealPhanes	id say they only sell that shit because stupid people keep buying it, but look at netflix 
[06:18]	TR News	A quarter of Danish women in their 20s could go childless in light of climate concerns https://cphpost.dk/2023-04-21/news/a-quarter-of-danish-women-in-their-20s-could-go-childless-in-light-of-climate-concerns/
[06:18]	TR Bot	 A quarter of Danish women in their 20s could go childless in light of climate concerns - The Copenhagen Post The Copenhagen Post
[06:19]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the best investment is to just not buy anything like that.
[06:19]	DaemonFC	What is it? $20 to Netflix now just to watch that?
[06:19]	DaemonFC	So they can put up "erotic movies" about child abuse?
[06:19]	TheRealPhanes	see now that's a calling.  i need to move to denmark and impregnate danish women to keep the population up
[06:20]	DaemonFC	I can do that.
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[06:20]	DaemonFC	FOR MONEY
[06:20]	TheRealPhanes	if they honestly just bring cooked meat to me ill do it for free
[06:20]	DaemonFC	But let's be real. Nobody wants you when you're crazy.
[06:20]	DaemonFC	Bad genes.
[06:20]	DaemonFC	Can't risk it.
[06:20]	TheRealPhanes	i got great genes
[06:20]	TheRealPhanes	i lucked out in that category
[06:21]	DaemonFC	Everyone with a mental problem says this but me for some reason.
[06:21]	TheRealPhanes	huh
[06:21]	TheRealPhanes	why do you think i have a mental problem
[06:21]	DaemonFC	Because most people do.
[06:21]	TheRealPhanes	nah im resilient af.  i have some trauma.
[06:21]	DaemonFC	If you go looking hard enough, everyone is crazy.
[06:22]	DaemonFC	It used to be that people were better about not admitting and openly flaunting that they were crazy and perverted.
[06:22]	DaemonFC	If you liked wearing your wife's clothing, you shut the curtains and didn't leave the house wearing them.
[06:22]	TheRealPhanes	lol
[06:23]	TheRealPhanes	believe it or not im like as vanilla as it gets for a cis white guy
[06:23]	DaemonFC	Now people are super open about being crazy and perverted.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	"I want to cut my PENIS off!"
[06:23]	DaemonFC	You are so strong and I support you....
[06:23]	DaemonFC	(Nutcase!)
[06:23]	DaemonFC	You have to say the shit or lose your job now.
[06:23]	DaemonFC	:D
[06:24]	TheRealPhanes	you have the option to say nothing
[06:24]	DaemonFC	Oh no you don't.
[06:24]	DaemonFC	Haven't you heard?
[06:24]	TheRealPhanes	just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you have to voice your disagreement
[06:25]	DaemonFC	There's a difference between men wearing women's clothing, which I think is fine....
[06:25]	DaemonFC	And crossing over into body mutilation and drugs.
[06:25]	TheRealPhanes	i take a "nobody cares about your genitals" approach.  i keep my opinions on it ambiguous.
[06:25]	DaemonFC	If you look at human history, high heels used to be men's shoes.
[06:25]	DaemonFC	Blue jeans used to be men's pants.
[06:25]	DaemonFC	I mean, you know, fashion changes.
[06:26]	DaemonFC	I get it,
[06:26]	DaemonFC	Biological sex and gender are immutable. They're facts.
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[06:26]	TR Bot	 Links 23/04/2023: SolusOS/SerpentOS Shakeup | Techrights
[06:26]	DaemonFC	People spend an enormous amount of money lying to themselves and fucking up their bodies irreparably.
[06:27]	TheRealPhanes	yeah there's definitely a childhood development aspect of gender
[06:27]	TheRealPhanes	you can't relive your childhood
[06:27]	DaemonFC	I was furious when Keith crashed my aunt's funeral as "Jessica"
[06:27]	DaemonFC	And started introducing himself as her former spouse.
[06:27]	DaemonFC	Like, he had to do this. Nobody invited him.
[06:27]	DaemonFC	He just had to give her one last indignity.
[06:27]	DaemonFC	Couldn't even die and have a nice funeral.
[06:28]	TheRealPhanes	did she deserve any indignity from him?  sometimes people do.  
[06:28]	DaemonFC	No she did not.
[06:28]	TheRealPhanes	fair enough
[06:28]	DaemonFC	He sat over by the casket.
[06:29]	DaemonFC	Introducing himself to people.
[06:29]	DaemonFC	Wearing women's clothing.
[06:29]	TheRealPhanes	what a fuckhead
[06:29]	TheRealPhanes	had to make it about him
[06:29]	DaemonFC	Most trannies are like that.
[06:29]	DaemonFC	Have to be the center of the universe.
[06:29]	TheRealPhanes	narcissism comes in many forms
[06:30]	TheRealPhanes	and many sets of clothes
[06:30]	TheRealPhanes	its a big problem the last couple of generations
[06:30]	DaemonFC	Yeah, tell me about it.
[06:31]	TheRealPhanes	its because we do not have serious conflict
[06:31]	TheRealPhanes	there are no environmental stressors driving natural social processes
[06:31]	DaemonFC	There's plenty of environmental stressors.
[06:31]	TheRealPhanes	humans do not do well for too long in safe environments
[06:31]	DaemonFC	It's just that the solutions usually involve the state or their minions, the psychiatrist.
[06:31]	DaemonFC	So worse than the goddamned problem.
[06:32]	TheRealPhanes	well there's that end of it too
[06:32]	TheRealPhanes	honestly, if this thing with russia/china comes to direct conflict, it'll be on a scale that will impact these types of issues, the culture does adapt 
[06:32]	DaemonFC	People tend to lie to their psychiatrist because they feel ashamed that there's something wrong.
[06:33]	DaemonFC	We all know it inside that nobody wants to hear it.
[06:33]	TheRealPhanes	masculinity becomes popular when society needs it, which is never when it's safe
[06:33]	DaemonFC	Well, what's going on with the Trumpists and the "Alt-Right" is that the assholes like GULAG are trying to exterminate the concept of gender in general and masculinity in particular.
[06:34]	DaemonFC	And people are reacting to that in a bad way.
[06:34]	DaemonFC	Matt GULAG is a Dalek.
[06:34]	TheRealPhanes	if uncle jessica had been airdropped into germany to fight chinese and had a regiment of men he fought with, that funeral event wouldn't have likely happened
[06:35]	TheRealPhanes	he'd be too busy being a necessary man to be anything else
[06:35]	DaemonFC	Or it would have been his, which I would strongly have preferred.
[06:35]	TheRealPhanes	men have to do men things
[06:35]	TheRealPhanes	if they don't have to they get docile and weak
[06:36]	DaemonFC	We're losing purpose.
[06:36]	DaemonFC	And so you see the social issues that causes.
[06:36]	TheRealPhanes	we can talk all day about toxic masculinity, but if you remove the concept of manhood from the social formula there stops being a society from which to gather the formula
[06:36]	DaemonFC	Matt GULAG is an agitator and then he bitches about all the problems people like him have created.
[06:37]	TheRealPhanes	oh dude, that guy doesn't think on this level
[06:37]	DaemonFC	There was never any serious "Trump" like movement in this country until the Social Justice Daleks tried wiping out the concept of gender.
[06:37]	DaemonFC	Even at Kindergarten level.
[06:37]	TheRealPhanes	he's just a gaping mouth attached to a narcissist, he is barely even conscious at that level
[06:38]	TheRealPhanes	most of his statements are attention-seeking
[06:38]	TheRealPhanes	particularly when they're at others' expense
[06:38]	DaemonFC	Yeah, so it's like, so obvious why his partner is his partner.
[06:38]	DaemonFC	:)
[06:38]	TheRealPhanes	yep she's made a career off doing the same shit
[06:38]	DaemonFC	Birds of a feather and all that.
[06:39]	TheRealPhanes	no meaningful contribution except the toxicity they introduced by lying about their peers
[06:39]	TheRealPhanes	neither of them can really compete in any space
[06:40]	TheRealPhanes	it's occurred to me though that even if they are toxic narcissists that even people with that disorder have to be allowed to live and earn income
[06:40]	TheRealPhanes	my preference would be at a wendy's drive-thru
[06:40]	TheRealPhanes	but they can't handle that kind of work because they're weak
[06:41]	TheRealPhanes	so i mean it comes to a head in the thought process -- "what else would they do for a living" and nothing comes to mind
[06:41]	TheRealPhanes	some people just have a parasitic relationship with society
[06:46]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I wonder how Wendy's is getting bigger.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	I don't usually even go there.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	No coupons. Why should I?
[06:46]	TheRealPhanes	they actually have a decent burger.  their chili is repulsive though.
[06:46]	DaemonFC	Mom likes it.
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[08:35]	immibis	I still think Matt should sue for defamation
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[08:39]	DaemonFC	https://www.ksl.com/article/50627196/for-transgender-kids-a-frantic-rush-for-treatment-amid-bans
[08:39]	TR Bot	transgender kids, a frantic rush for treatment amid bans | KSL.com
[08:39]	DaemonFC	"Asher plays his guitar. When he began menstruating...."
[08:40]	DaemonFC	These people are fucking sick.
[08:40]	DaemonFC	Doing this to kids.
[08:45]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you actually mean when you called me a "biology denier"?
[08:50]	DaemonFC	That you deny basic facts of human biology.
[08:50]	DaemonFC	And make a clown out of yourself in the process?
[08:51]	DaemonFC	Such as "men do not menstruate" and "boys do not start menstruating".
[08:51]	DaemonFC	These articles are just impossible to read. Absolutely sickening.
[08:51]	mjg59_	How are you defining "men"?
[08:51]	DaemonFC	And "people" (in general) do not "get pregnant.
[08:51]	DaemonFC	Men don't menstruate or get pregnant.
[08:51]	DaemonFC	No real man menstruates or gets pregnant.
[08:52]	DaemonFC	This is the Orwellian horseshit.
[08:52]	DaemonFC	Where they start out demanding that you believe absurdities.
[08:52]	DaemonFC	Then they want you to allow them to commit atrocities against little kids.
[08:52]	mjg59_	Ok. So a 3-year old who doesn't mensturate or get pregnant is a man?
[08:53]	DaemonFC	Like indoctrinating them into this cult that maybe they aren't their biological gender or maybe it's okay to let perverts into the little girl's bathroom.
[08:53]	DaemonFC	No, I mean if you're menstruating or starting to menstruate, that's....not a man.
[08:53]	DaemonFC	Because that doesn't happen to men, ever.
[08:53]	DaemonFC	Along with pregnancy.
[08:53]	DaemonFC	(Thank god.)
[08:54]	DaemonFC	And only a true degenerate sack of shit is trying to inflict this crap on children.\
[08:54]	mjg59_	So you don't know whether or not a 3-year old is a man until years later when they potentially start to menstruate?
[08:54]	DaemonFC	Men have penises.
[08:54]	DaemonFC	Functional penises.
[08:54]	mjg59_	Well ok that's a different definition
[08:54]	DaemonFC	I would hope that this goes without saying.
[08:55]	mjg59_	So before we go any further, could you please precisely define "man" and "woman"
[08:55]	DaemonFC	If a man loses his penis, his real functional penis, he's a disfigured man.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	And the only excuse for this is they had to take it because of a medical condition that was very serious. Like, horrible accident or cancer.
[08:55]	DaemonFC	Dick cancer.
[08:56]	DaemonFC	<mjg59_> So before we go any further, could you please precisely define "man" and "woman"
[08:56]	DaemonFC	Okay.
[08:56]	DaemonFC	Man: Never menstruates. Ever. Has dick by default unless lost in horrible accident or due to dick cancer.
[08:56]	DaemonFC	Functional testicles produce their own testosterone.
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[08:57]	DaemonFC	Is usually a fair bit taller and physically more imposing due to the testosterone produced by the real testicles, which function.
[08:57]	DaemonFC	Does not get pregnant due to lack of female reproductive system.
[08:57]	mjg59_	Are all of these things required?
[08:57]	DaemonFC	Has a prostate gland.
[08:58]	mjg59_	Or is this a list of nominally sufficient criteria?
[08:58]	DaemonFC	It's like, you know, the totality of the circumstances, and yes there are absolutes.
[08:58]	DaemonFC	There is no "male identity".
[08:58]	DaemonFC	There are some bull dykes and other butch women. Hey, whatever. That's fine.
[08:58]	DaemonFC	They're still women.
[08:59]	DaemonFC	With all of the woman-ey bits.
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[08:59]	DaemonFC	There's some "femboys" but still male. If they managed to use the reproductive system it works.
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[09:00]	DaemonFC	I assume that, biologically speaking, I could reproduce if I wanted to.
[09:00]	DaemonFC	I've never seen fit to try because this world is getting worse by the minute.
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[09:00]	DaemonFC	I don't know if dying economy or Social Justice Daleks is worse.
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[09:01]	DaemonFC	Both are the fault of Democrats.
[09:01]	mjg59_	Sounds like you'd agree that Carster Semenya is a woman, then? 
[09:01]	DaemonFC	I don't know who that is.
[09:02]	DaemonFC	Okay, that sounds like a birth defect.
[09:02]	DaemonFC	So, like how do you classify like a one in 100 million freak of nature?
[09:02]	DaemonFC	Good question.
[09:02]	DaemonFC	Most people don't think about it that much.
[09:03]	DaemonFC	There's lots of birth defects. That doesn't change what gender is.
[09:03]	DaemonFC	The traditional definition fills 99.999999999999% of the necessary criteria.
[09:04]	DaemonFC	I'm sorry about the gender dysphoria or whatever the official name for the mental illness is.
[09:04]	DaemonFC	Must be awful.
[09:04]	DaemonFC	Not being able to look between your legs and figure it out.
[09:05]	DaemonFC	Is it mean to say someone is mentally ill? It can be. If you mean it to be hateful.
[09:05]	DaemonFC	A lot of people simply are, in some way or another.
[09:05]	DaemonFC	I don't mean it to be hateful, I mean it because it's a fact.
[09:05]	DaemonFC	And other people should not be playing into this and enabling it.
[09:06]	DaemonFC	They should come up with some treatment that works people through whatever awful condition that they have that makes them reject themselves.
[09:07]	DaemonFC	People a lot smarter than me would need to come up with a therapy but giving puberty blockers to kids is like throwing free cigarettes at a smoker to sabotage their recovery.
[09:07]	DaemonFC	You're making sure that they never have a chance to get better and that most people will be disgusted, horrified, or weirded out, or laugh at them, for the rest of their lives.
[09:08]	DaemonFC	That's not an okay thing to do to a kid.
[09:09]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, Now, TheRealPhanes knows why I'm so appalled by all of this.
[09:09]	DaemonFC	"Uncle Jessica"
[09:09]	DaemonFC	What an asshole.
[09:09]	DaemonFC	(Keith)
[09:09]	DaemonFC	What he did was unforgivable.
[09:10]	DaemonFC	If he wanted to go do that, why did he get married and have kids first and then run out on them?
[09:11]	DaemonFC	When you have a family you have made a choice. The only honorable thing to do is commit to that choice.
[09:12]	DaemonFC	We have too many broken homes in this country, but the liberals made that fine too.
[09:12]	DaemonFC	They set up the welfare state, the no fault divorce, now they're teaching boys to be girls and girls to be boys, because why not.
[09:13]	DaemonFC	And anyone who says anything about the depravity of this, is vilified.
[09:13]	DaemonFC	Completely ass backwards, Matt.
[09:15]	DaemonFC	You can't even say mentally ill anymore.
[09:15]	DaemonFC	We're on the euphemism treadmill to soft language city.
[09:15]	DaemonFC	"Neurodivergent"
[09:15]	DaemonFC	A very "neurodivergent" stabber. The Neurodivergent Nazi.
[09:16]	DaemonFC	Microsoft let him in and let him harass everyone there, openly flaunt racism and xenophobia and talk about his STDs and drugs.
[09:16]	DaemonFC	Then bam. Stabbing attack!
[09:16]	DaemonFC	Who saw it coming?
[09:17]	DaemonFC	That's the world that the SJWs want us to accept.
[09:17]	DaemonFC	You can't say anything about anyone. So nobody does. Nobody complains while you have some goddamn weirdo in there talking about the green discharge he's been having ever since that last hooker.
[09:18]	DaemonFC	And when nobody says anything, eventually you get this.
[09:19]	DaemonFC	If anyone complains about it, THEY get fired.
[09:19]	DaemonFC	Picking on the "neurodivergent".
[09:19]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, You wouldn't hit a guy with glasses, would you? :P
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[09:20]	DaemonFC	That word is contemptuous in and of itself.
[09:27]	immibis	TheRealPhanes: you should know that the incel community rates danish women as the most unattractive
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[09:32]	TheRealPhanes	<immibis> I still think Matt should sue for defamation <--- i would love that
[09:34]	TheRealPhanes	a 3 year old can't get pregnant by the biological nature of their species, this has nothing to do with gender, Matt just doesn't understand biology.
[09:35]	TheRealPhanes	<immibis> TheRealPhanes: you should know that the incel community rates danish women as the most unattractive <---- so don't go there?
[09:38]	TheRealPhanes	he's trying to argue that biological function doesn't determine gender by misconstruing biological functions along sex lines as not being tied to sex by subverting the information that these are post-puberty sexual characteristics he's referring to, using a pre-pubescent model as his analytical example
[09:38]	TheRealPhanes	ironically, while responding to the accusation that he doesn't understand biology
[09:40]	TheRealPhanes	i'll allow it since i don't have a dog in this fight, but if he starts talking about theory of forms we're going to have to fist fight in the parking lot
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[09:41]	schestowitz[TR2]	can we focus on tech? thanks.
[09:41]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, isn't your attendance award in a biology focus
[09:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	TheRealPhanes: let it go
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	let's focus on tech
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	one thing he never studied
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	and cannot teach
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	as an imposter
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	and when he did his bioilogy phd he was transphobic
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	focus on his abuses in tech
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's on topic
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	he wwants to changed the topic
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	to taunt and imtimidate peoiple
[09:43]	TheRealPhanes	it is actually deeply concerning that he teaches in a security focal and knows so little about the profession
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	focus onm his tech abuyses
[09:43]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you actually mean when you called me a "biology denier"?
[09:43]	schestowitz[TR2]	like uefi 'secure' boot,    tpm, etc.
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	he literally works FOR microsoft inside linux
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[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: which part of your syllabus taught CS?
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: which part of your syllabus taught programming?
[09:44]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: which part of your syllabus taught security?
[09:44]	TheRealPhanes	or design
[09:45]	TheRealPhanes	don't forget systems design
[09:45]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: It turns out it's possible to learn things outside universities?
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: when did you write your first computer program?
[09:45]	mjg59_	1986, I think
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	what were your grades in computer studies at school?
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	how many projects did you _start_ from scratch?
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	how many graphical toolkits did you use?
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	which do you prefer?
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	did you ever use java?
[09:45]	schestowitz[TR2]	did you ever use php?
[09:45]	mjg59_	I was top of my class in computing up until I moved to a school that didn't offer it
[09:45]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, can you describe your requirements analysis and reqs mgmt approach when designing any system?
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	what hurts you is people being on topic\?
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	you turf to an area that's not
[09:46]	mjg59_	I've written in GTK and QT, focusing more on the former because at the time the state of accessibility support in Gnome was significantly better and that's what I was being paid to work on
[09:46]	schestowitz[TR2]	like eff since barlow died
[09:46]	mjg59_	I haven't written any significant quantity of java or php
[09:47]	schestowitz[TR2]	bbl coffee
[09:47]	mjg59_	So, having answered those:
[09:47]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you actually mean when you called me a "biology denier"?
[09:47]	TheRealPhanes	isn't it weird how he skirts the design questions
[09:47]	mjg59_	I wasn't talking to you, so I ignored it
[09:47]	TheRealPhanes	you'd almost say it's a sensitive area by the way he handles it
[09:48]	TheRealPhanes	and in all fairness your argument was laughably ignorant of biology
[09:48]	mjg59_	No, you simply engaged with a fake misunderstanding of what I actually said
[09:48]	mjg59_	Sad, really
[09:49]	TheRealPhanes	no you used a prepubescant example to try to demonstrate post-pubescant, innate sexual characteristics weren't sexually determined, instead of arguing that gender and sex are separate concepts
[09:50]	TheRealPhanes	how you arrive at your answers is just as important to the quality of your argument as what conclusion you arrive at
[09:50]	mjg59_	No, I engaged with an argument that defined gender on the basis of post-pubsecant characteristics
[09:50]	TheRealPhanes	not at all
[09:51]	TheRealPhanes	you introduced lifecycle
[09:51]	mjg59_	Nope
[09:51]	mjg59_	Go back and read it again
[09:52]	TheRealPhanes	lol!  you did.  In any case, your wrong argument didn't take into account that post-pubescant sexual characteristics are innate to their corresponding sex, which is why that argument falls apart.  You really should keep that argument a taxonomial one based purely off the differing concepts of sex and gender.
[09:53]	mjg59_	How do you know what post-pubescant sexual characteristics are going to be before puberty?
[09:53]	TheRealPhanes	by sex, genes if you need to
[09:53]	TR News	Inflation as a symptom? https://stanforddaily.com/2023/04/20/we-are-running-out-of-time-colombian-president-calls-for-climate-action-during-stanford-visit/
[09:53]	TheRealPhanes	outside of very, very rare birth defects or genetic anomalies
[09:53]	TR Bot	 Colombia president calls for climate action at Stanford talk
[09:54]	TR News	Media failing us https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/21/the-problem-of-the-media-with-respect-to-climate/
[09:54]	TR Bot	Problem of the Media with Respect to Climate - CounterPunch.org
[09:54]	TheRealPhanes	look, we get it, you didn't pay attention to that topic either.  man this happens alot with you though.
[09:55]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: If you can define it without referring to post-pubescant characteristics, then defining it on the basis of post-pubescant characteristics seems incorrect?
[09:55]	TR News	Twitter does not matter. Twitter is a relic. https://www.dw.com/en/throwing-soup-at-artwork-or-a-climate-rally-what-wins-twitter/a-65383936
[09:55]	TR Bot	soup or a climate rally what wins Twitter? DW 04/21/2023
[09:55]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, no because pregnancy is sex-linked even if it's a post-pubescant expression of sex
[09:55]	TR News	We burn a lot of stuff, heating it up and creating smog. This makes sense. https://www.dw.com/en/un-climate-report-past-8-years-warmest-on-record/a-65401007
[09:55]	TR Bot	climate report: Past 8 years 'warmest on record' DW 04/21/2023
[09:56]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: No, that's clearly incorrect - no definition of sex includes "Can get pregnant", because we do not stop categorising people as women simply because they can't get pregnant
[09:57]	TheRealPhanes	people born with male genitalia don't go through puberty umpteen years later and then get pregnant.  it's a sex-linked capacity that is fulfilled by specific organs that grow as a product of genetic configuration during development.
[09:57]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: You may assert that the ability to get pregnant is restricted to members of one sex, and that's a coherent argument, but it's not definition
[09:58]	mjg59_	Ok! So how do you tell whether a 3-year old is male or female
[09:58]	mjg59_	I assume you're not trying to get them pregnant
[09:58]	mjg59_	That would be *super* fucked up
[09:58]	TheRealPhanes	are you seriously arguing that taxonomial classification is not performed against the subject's properties, because if you are, you should stop taking whatever you're taking
[09:58]	mjg59_	I'm asking you what properties provide a coherent definition
[09:59]	TheRealPhanes	im saying that SEX is marked by the binary presence of male reproductive organs OR female reproductive organs in the vast majority of all humans ever born as a product of their genetic configuration irregardless of their GENDER 
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[10:00]	TR News	Earth Day https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/21/climate/earth-day-reads.html
[10:00]	TR Bot	 For Earth Day, 7 Inspiring Reads - The New York Times
[10:00]	TheRealPhanes	that property is of SEX and is definitional
[10:00]	mjg59_	That's a circular argument
[10:00]	mjg59_	You're saying that the definition is based on something that's definitional
[10:01]	TheRealPhanes	no i said the definition is based on the presence of properties
[10:01]	TheRealPhanes	that's definitional
[10:01]	mjg59_	And I asked which properties are used to define sex
[10:01]	mjg59_	You've asserted that it's the presence of reproductive organs
[10:01]	mjg59_	Ok, we can work with that
[10:01]	TheRealPhanes	there ya go
[10:01]	mjg59_	So sex isn't binary?
[10:01]	TheRealPhanes	dude are you having a stroke?  
[10:02]	TheRealPhanes	 im saying that SEX is marked by the binary presence of male reproductive organs OR female reproductive organs in the vast majority of all humans ever born as a product of their genetic configuration irregardless of their GENDER 
[10:02]	mjg59_	If it's binary than literally everyone fits into one of two categories
[10:02]	mjg59_	If anyone doesn't, then it's not binary
[10:02]	TheRealPhanes	that doesn't quite work that way but it would break a bot
[10:02]	mjg59_	This is obvious
[10:02]	TheRealPhanes	there are exceptions in the case of defects both genetic and developmental
[10:03]	mjg59_	So it's not binary
[10:03]	TheRealPhanes	in the same way that saying "people are born with 10 fingers and toes" and acknowledging that some people are born with more or less as a result of defects
[10:03]	mjg59_	So it's not binary
[10:04]	TheRealPhanes	pretty weak argument dude
[10:04]	mjg59_	So it's not binary
[10:04]	TR News	Still getting worse faster than anything improves https://www.vox.com/science/23691377/earth-day-2023-facts-wins-climate-biodiversity
[10:04]	TR Bot	Day 2023: 7 big policy wins for the planet - Vox
[10:05]	TR News	Hypocritical slave lady lecturing us about climate https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/STATEMENT_23_2386
[10:06]	TR Bot	 Press corner | European Commission
[10:06]	immibis	TheRealPhanes: where did matt say a 3-year-old could get pregnant (and why?)
[10:06]	TR News	Military also a major source of pollution https://jacobin.com/2023/04/lockheed-martin-climate-change-shareholder-meeting-emissions/
[10:06]	TR Bot	 The Board of Lockheed Martin Has Spoken: Climate Change May Proceed
[10:06]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, im sorry, I don't smoke crack so I don't understand why you think I said that.
[10:07]	TR News	greenwashing fluff, stroking their corporate egos https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/23424-european-parliament-adopts-key-laws-to-reach-2030-climate-target.html
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[10:07]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, what part of the human reproductive system do you believe involves even a third sex if you're not going to argue that sex and gender are disparate concepts?
[10:08]	TR News	Carte blanche to pollute even moar https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/20/climate/noaa-spring-outlook-california.html
[10:08]	TR Bot	 NOAA Forecasters See a Respite for California - The New York Times
[10:08]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: See again you're engaging with something that isn't what I said
[10:08]	TR News	Greenwashing. EU even pretends gas is "green" https://cphpost.dk/2023-04-19/news/mette-frederiksen-speaks-at-climate-meeting-as-green-hydrogen-project-gets-under-way
[10:08]	TR Bot	 Mette Frederiksen speaks at climate meeting as green hydrogen project gets under way - The Copenhagen Post The Copenhagen Post
[10:09]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: Maybe you should get better at reading
[10:09]	TR News	When you reduce people to shoestring budget and then make heating too expensive https://nltimes.nl/2023/04/19/energy-ministers-climate-plan-push-petrol-prices-higher-dividing-cabinet-parties
[10:09]	TR Bot	 Energy ministers climate plan would push petrol prices higher, dividing Cabinet parties | NL Times
[10:09]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, you just asserted repeatedly that sex is not binary, so, giving you the benefit of the doubt and trying to understand what part of the successful use of reproductive organs in our species involves a non-binary sexual exchange
[10:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	why is this channel not on science and tech?
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	it has been derailed by trolls
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	canm't even runa  tech site
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	without all those provocateurs
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	i saw the same done to wikileaks
[10:10]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you actually mean when you called me a "biology denier"?
[10:10]	TheRealPhanes	i think anyone reading can ascertain what he meant, Mr. Security Controls
[10:10]	techuser	It looks like all growing places with free speech eventually turn into trolls ruining everything.
[10:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	it is also happening to eff in recent years
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: I called you worse
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	on tech
[10:11]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: If sex is binary, then every single human can be unambiguously placed in one of two categories. You've admitted that that's not true.
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	but you choose not to dscuss that
[10:11]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you actually mean when you called me a "biology denier"?
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	you're rather talk about women with big cocks than about what you do for microsoft
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	i want to tealk about tech
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	you do not
[10:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	because you're not good at it
[10:11]	mjg59_	You're the one who brought up the topic
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	you're a useless idiot of spcial interests
[10:12]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, so you're playing taxonomy games based on birth defects to assert that sex is binary, which is a pretty weak argument and hinges on academic dishonesty
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	you're like cantroll
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	cantrell
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	but a troll
[10:12]	TheRealPhanes	*to assert that sex is not binary
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	cantrell did not troll, afaik
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	just an incompetent fool
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	paid a lot
[10:12]	techuser	And with no free speech, moderators can sometimes become the trolls.
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	for nothing good
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	biab
[10:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	reading climate news
[10:12]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you actually mean when you called me a "biology denier"?
[10:13]	TheRealPhanes	rofl this dude just lives in a parallel universe in which his arguments don't get continuously destroyed here
[10:13]	TR News	So many people, so much power consumption https://www.dw.com/en/india-migration-from-climate-change-getting-worse/a-65369043
[10:13]	TR Bot	Migration from climate change getting worse DW 04/19/2023
[10:13]	TheRealPhanes	but yes let's talk about tech
[10:13]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: If you can't place everyone in one of two categories based on your definition, then either (a) your definition is wrong or (b) there are more than two categories
[10:14]	mjg59_	Those are the only two options
[10:14]	TR News	The press talks about Ukraine now (was COVID-19 beforehand) while barely talking about climate anymore https://www.dw.com/en/the-global-jet-set-feels-the-heat-over-climate-change/a-65365655
[10:14]	TR Bot	global jet set feels the heat over climate change DW 04/19/2023
[10:14]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, no because a defective entry is definitionally an anomaly at entry to classification
[10:15]	TheRealPhanes	but let's talk about tech.  i want to see how you do requirements analysis and management in project design
[10:15]	TR News	That's why the green party gets many votes from the left https://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2023/04/19/greens-repeat-call-for-end-to-fossil-fuels-as-climate-activists-gather-in-london/
[10:15]	TR Bot	 Greens repeat call for end to fossil fuels as climate activists gather in London
[10:15]	mjg59_	So they're not human?
[10:15]	mjg59_	Or not animals?
[10:16]	TR News	Many of these investors are so old that they're not with big stakes in the outcome of climate change https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/cat-and-mouse-australia-s-biggest-coal-miner-faces-investor-revolt-over-climate-stance-20230418-p5d1c6.html
[10:16]	TR Bot	 Glencore faces shareholder revolt over coal, climate change stance
[10:17]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, how do you do stakeholder engagement when gathering requirements for a system you're designing?
[10:18]	mjg59_	I have PMs to do that for me
[10:18]	TheRealPhanes	no, a PM wouldn't perform that function.  try again.
[10:18]	mjg59_	Sucks to be you, I guess
[10:19]	mjg59_	It's literally not my job to gather requirements. Given requirements, I present what's possible.
[10:19]	techuser	schestowitz[TR2]: regarding topics, you ask people to talk about tech, but the bot sends things about climate change.
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[10:20]	TheRealPhanes	so in some project structures a BA or systems analyst would process them so you may have an out, but, it's odd that you'd be allowed to do system design without doing an SA or BA role for a few years
[10:20]	techuser	Is it relevant?
[10:20]	techuser	Assuming "tech" here is "computers and related things".
[10:20]	TheRealPhanes	most companies won't let you touch an architecture role until you've proven you can do the SA function
[10:21]	TheRealPhanes	just to avoid requirements analysis failure
[10:21]	mjg59_	Yeah, most companies are very dull
[10:21]	TheRealPhanes	how very telling
[10:21]	TheRealPhanes	well it certainly is creating a negative profile in your design competency
[10:21]	mjg59_	I work places where we don't expect one person to perform all these roles
[10:22]	TheRealPhanes	most places don't
[10:22]	TheRealPhanes	that doesn't mean that everybody doesn't know what everybody's job is
[10:22]	mjg59_	So people present me with requirements and I tell them whether or not these requirements can be met
[10:22]	TheRealPhanes	and as a designing architect you are expected to know how to perform requirements analysis to ensure that it's being done correctly
[10:22]	mjg59_	If they can be, I present them with designs for solutions that meet those requirements
[10:23]	mjg59_	No? I trust the people whose job that is.
[10:23]	TheRealPhanes	most designing architects actually are required to perform the SA role for several years before being seen as qualified to do their job
[10:23]	mjg59_	There's a lot of people I depend on without an expectation that I could do their job
[10:23]	TheRealPhanes	as an SA they follow the architect around for years learning the trade
[10:23]	mjg59_	Don't really know what to tell you here
[10:23]	TheRealPhanes	it's how they learn the design process
[10:23]	TheRealPhanes	which you don't seem to have
[10:24]	mjg59_	Your job sounds very boring
[10:24]	TheRealPhanes	there are parts of it that are excruciatingly boring
[10:24]	TheRealPhanes	there are also parts of it that are very rewarding
[10:24]	mjg59_	I have people who do the boring stuff for me
[10:24]	TheRealPhanes	no
[10:24]	TheRealPhanes	no you don't
[10:24]	mjg59_	Actually do
[10:24]	TheRealPhanes	because you're not doing anything
[10:24]	TheRealPhanes	you're not developing/implementing
[10:24]	TheRealPhanes	you're certainly not designing
[10:24]	mjg59_	I mean, I am?
[10:25]	immibis	<TheRealPhanes> im saying that SEX is marked by the binary presence of male reproductive organs OR female reproductive organs in the vast majority of all humans ever born ... <- what about the minority
[10:25]	mjg59_	Wrote a whole bunch of bootloader code yesterday
[10:25]	mjg59_	Based on a design I wrote
[10:25]	TheRealPhanes	you're not doing the reqs, or the submitting to the RFP
[10:25]	mjg59_	Based on requirements sourced from various teams
[10:25]	TheRealPhanes	maybe this would make more sense if you stopped calling them "designs" because that's not really what they are
[10:25]	immibis	<schestowitz[TR2]> why is this channel not on science and tech? <- you tell me, you are the one who makes the topic "Matt is a criminal" (defamation) and "woman spends 500 days in cave"
[10:26]	immibis	schestowitz[TR2]: what did you mean when you called mjg a biology denier?
[10:26]	mjg59_	And now we have support for module signing without requiring non-ephemeral keys
[10:26]	TR News	How an American Logging Giant Bills Itself as a Climate Hero https://gizmodo.com/weyerhaeuser-logging-carbon-offsets-forests-1850349057
[10:26]	TR Bot	 How an American Logging Giant Bills Itself as a Climate Hero
[10:26]	TheRealPhanes	hey mjg59_ i didn't say what you do isn't extremely technical sometimes, I'm just saying it's not design, and it's not development.
[10:27]	immibis	how is designing and writing a bootloader not designing or writing
[10:27]	TheRealPhanes	like what you describe would only survive in places like google or facebook where you can coast off laurels and prestige your way through based on the presence of your email address on a 15 year old mailing list
[10:28]	mjg59_	immibis: He's obsessed with definitions that make sense if you're dealing with some piece of enterprise code that has to satisfy the requirements of 15 different business units who are still running batch jobs that involve a machine emulating punch cards
[10:28]	TR News	Coping With Extreme Heat https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/18/climate/extreme-heat.html
[10:28]	TR Bot	 Indias Heat Season Gets Off to a Deadly Start - The New York Times
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[10:29]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, he does not understand any of several schools of thought on system design in a professional capacity.
[10:29]	mjg59_	immibis: In which case you spend way more of your time figuring out what everyone's unwritten dependencies are, and learning that there's actually multiple different auditors who have different ideas about how keys have to be managed
[10:29]	TR News	Fake climate solutions https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2023/04/17/fake-climate-solutions-that-are-making-climate-change-worse/
[10:29]	TR Bot	 Fake climate solutions that are making climate change worse - Modern Diplomacy
[10:29]	immibis	i'm seeing from phanes basically the same thing I see from schestowitz which is just a string of bad descriptions with zero underlying evidence
[10:30]	immibis	may as well just be "ur dumb"
[10:30]	TR News	Impact on fauna https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/climate-change-is-impacting-bird-migration-patterns-here-s-what-we-know-1.6796477
[10:30]	mjg59_	immibis: Working in that space is fairly brutal - it's genuinely hard to figure out what the fuck people actually need, and this is a big part of why you hear about so many massively expensive failed IT projects
[10:30]	TR Bot	 Climate change is impacting bird migration patterns. Here's what we know | CBC News
[10:30]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, essentially what he's doing is throwing shit at the codebase and seeing what works with no real requirements to meet in a best effort capacity
[10:30]	TheRealPhanes	which isn't horrible
[10:30]	mjg59_	immibis: But what he fails to understand is that this is not universal, and that many places do not need to deal with that kind of shit
[10:30]	TheRealPhanes	it just wouldn't fly in most professional environments
[10:31]	mjg59_	It's true that I'd probably do a poor job in that environment
[10:31]	immibis	oh the classic "my job is the only real job". I've seen that before
[10:31]	TR News	EU isn't serious about the serious solutions https://www.dw.com/en/eu-exit-from-climate-killing-energy-treaty-looms/a-65323709
[10:31]	TR Bot	exit from climate-killing energy treaty looms DW 04/17/2023
[10:31]	mjg59_	But he'd do a shit job in mine
[10:31]	TheRealPhanes	honestly i would probably eliminate your role
[10:31]	immibis	I wonder which group created things like Linux
[10:31]	mjg59_	Man good luck eliminating my role
[10:31]	immibis	was it the requirements analysts or the cowboy coders
[10:32]	immibis	at some point someone has to write the damn code instead of bikeshedding
[10:32]	mjg59_	See how quickly you get a ZTA solution out the door
[10:32]	immibis	and someone has to actually understand the fine details of the platform they are using, instead of the broad strokes
[10:32]	immibis	like when you write this register you must wait 200 cycles before writing any other register
[10:32]	immibis	phanes seems like more of an ideas guy
[10:32]	TheRealPhanes	those are implementation details the developing team would be expected to know
[10:33]	mjg59_	I guess he's never worked at a startup
[10:34]	TheRealPhanes	i tend to work at larger companies but i do plenty of work at startups, where you have to do all of those things or you end up in a neverending unpaid loop of "is it done"
[10:34]	immibis	wouldn't know a minimum viable product if it slapped him in the face
[10:34]	TR News	Kerry the hypocrite, like Gore, talking the talk, not walking the walk www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2023-04-16/climate-envoy-kerry-no-rolling-back-clean-energy-transition
[10:34]	TheRealPhanes	the work you have to do at a startup in the design process is ALL the roles instead of just the one he wants to pretend he does
[10:34]	immibis	you talking about yourself?
[10:35]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, nah i just had to explain critical path for a rollout just last week
[10:35]	TheRealPhanes	that's a google search term for you
[10:35]	TheRealPhanes	"critical path"
[10:35]	TR News	Flying their private jets to "summits" usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-04-16/factbox-key-excerpts-from-g7-statement-on-energy-and-climate-change
[10:35]	immibis	that wouldn't fly in most environments that actually get stuff done
[10:35]	TheRealPhanes	MVP is what year one devs use to describe critical path when they're making excuses about why their impl sucks.  Critical path is what people use to describe what MVP was intended for.
[10:35]	mjg59_	The weird bit here is where he refuses to accept that I work with people who collect requirements
[10:36]	mjg59_	And, well, I don't really know what to say there
[10:36]	immibis	clearly phanes does not understand "MVP", maybe he should google it
[10:36]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, yeah after you pretended that startups don't do reqs analysis you kind of gave it away
[10:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	<immibis> <schestowitz[TR2]> why is this channel not on science and tech? <- you tell me, you are the one who makes the topic "Matt is a criminal" (defamation) and "woman spends 500 days in cave"
[10:36]	TheRealPhanes	or that you wouldn't be expected to at a startup
[10:36]	mjg59_	My PMs bring me requirements, I design stuff that meets that
[10:36]	schestowitz[TR2]	it was a science article
[10:36]	TheRealPhanes	rofl
[10:36]	TheRealPhanes	what a hilarious joke
[10:36]	immibis	mjg59_: yeah it's exactly the same as Roy saying you're a transphobe, and when asked for the evidence, the evidence says you used to be one and now you aren't, but Roy refuses to accept that
[10:37]	immibis	it's just plain delusion
[10:37]	immibis	like russia's story about denazifying ukraine
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	you are mischaracterising what i Said
[10:37]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, as the dumb person in the room you should know what words mean when you use them, and googling only gets you so far
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	http://techrights.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/
[10:37]	immibis	TheRealPhanes: if mjg can make money doing "easy work" then why are you so bad that you can't make money without doing the "hard work"?
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Matthew Garrett Admits Being a Transphobic Adult Before Choosing to Weaponise This to Defame and Then Cancel People Who Arent Transphobic | Techrights
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's what I showed
[10:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	he said so himself
[10:37]	immibis	https://techwrongs.org/2022/09/30/matthew-garrett-transphobic/
[10:38]	TR Bot	 Matthew Garrett Admits Being a Transphobic Adult Before Choosing to Weaponise This to Defame and Then Cancel People Who Arent Transphobic | Techrights
[10:38]	TheRealPhanes	MVP and "critical path" are interchangeable on those shops, but which one you use often gives away whether you know what they mean or not. 
[10:38]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[10:38]	immibis	schestowitz[TR2]: there's literally zero stuff on this page, just the deranged ramblings of a lunatic
[10:38]	TheRealPhanes	<immibis> TheRealPhanes: if mjg can make money doing "easy work" then why are you so bad that you can't make money without doing the "hard work"? ||| Huh?  ROFL I make GREAT money, what are you talking about? 
[10:39]	mjg59_	https://tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/297876977
[10:39]	immibis	you're doing the same thing that Q cultists do when they say JFK Jr is coming back from the grave
[10:39]	immibis	which is presenting a picture full of random snippets and some red arrows and circles and a summary saying this is proof of something
[10:39]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, oh is this one of those games where you interject with lies to try to enflame people who disagree with the person whose dick you're trying to suck with lies
[10:40]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: I'm just really not clear on why you refuse to believe that other people gather requirements for me
[10:40]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, because if you can't argue a case without distorting, then you really don't have a viable argument do you
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[10:41]	immibis	I guess TheRealPhanes believes that requirements analysts don't exist which is very odd since he says he is a requirements analyst
[10:42]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, because you think that you wouldn't have to at startups, so, we know you haven't done work at startups, and you acknowledge the need at larger enterprises where your "segmented specialization" argument would hold more water, and, knowing you generally work for larger enterprises and cannot -define- the process used, it's clear you didn't put that time in as an SA before architecture and cannot gauge the validity of your requirements 
[10:42]	TheRealPhanes	-- this also means you're not able to differentiate between agile and waterfall methodologies in this process
[10:42]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, i did not say that reqs analysis doesn't exist and never said i was a requirements analyst, you're just a crazy liar
[10:43]	immibis	i don't even understand how phanes is trying to make a coherent argument
[10:43]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, in an agile space you'd be dedicating time in every cycle to requirements management
[10:43]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: Depending on startup scale, *I'm* the sole person defining requirements
[10:43]	mjg59_	No need to gather them, because I'm doing it
[10:44]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, ok, so then you're also doing requirement analysis, and i want you to define that process
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[10:44]	mjg59_	And, well, I don't really know what to say in terms of larger enterprises, because Google is pretty large and absolutely does not delegate requirements analysis to the same people who are designing the solution
[10:44]	TheRealPhanes	its funny because every time you expand on your argument you make it more clear that you're completely bullshitting here
[10:45]	mjg59_	Maybe you should write a blog post about how incompetent I am?
[10:45]	mjg59_	It'd probably have a larger audience than the membership of this IRC channel
[10:45]	TheRealPhanes	no need, these things speak for themselves as soon as people start asking you questions
[10:45]	mjg59_	And you could get some feedback on whether the rest of the world agrees with you
[10:46]	mjg59_	Dude I'm 42 and people keep employing me, I can assure you that questions get asked
[10:46]	mjg59_	https://tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/297876977
[10:46]	mjg59_	Kind of wild that it just breaks on that
[10:47]	TheRealPhanes	in all honesty if I didn't have first hand knowledge that you were a horrible person I'd probably give you a break and bring you on as a promising SA on a path to design systems of your own after a few years based on some of your responses but as someone who literally performs as and interviews people who do what you do you would not make it through the screening
[10:47]	mjg59_	Dude I think I've made it pretty clear that I have zero interest in working in the space you work in
[10:47]	TheRealPhanes	not for a designing architect
[10:48]	TheRealPhanes	you're not doing it at startups, mid-cap or large-cap
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[10:49]	TheRealPhanes	so we're talking special project R&D at big 5, like facebook, google where the standards are non-existent and the responsibility for success is determined by community outreach impact
[10:49]	TheRealPhanes	those guys are hell to work with too, because they'll have one specialization and be completely ignorant of the broader play happening to get a product created
[10:50]	TheRealPhanes	often results in shuttering project after interpersonals break down on the team
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[10:51]	mjg59_	My last project at Google involved firmware, OS installation, VARs, shipping companies, OEMs, and warehouse staff
[10:51]	immibis	TheRealPhanes: Are you interviewing him for a job?
[10:51]	mjg59_	The requirements were handled by the PM assigned to the project
[10:51]	mjg59_	She was amazing
[10:52]	TheRealPhanes	project managers do not have the training to do requirements analysis
[10:52]	TheRealPhanes	or the education
[10:52]	mjg59_	No clue why you believe that
[10:52]	TheRealPhanes	and their career path won't give them the experience to
[10:52]	TheRealPhanes	yeah, "no clue" is right, because you're bullshitting
[10:52]	mjg59_	There was literally zero presumption that I would gather requirements
[10:53]	TR News	"It's FOSS" is NOT FOSS https://itsfoss.com/linux-terminal-ai/
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[10:53]	mjg59_	My job was to come up with a solution that met those requirements
[10:53]	TheRealPhanes	yeah im getting the picture
[10:53]	TheRealPhanes	it's not system design then, it's development/implementation
[10:54]	mjg59_	Well, other than the bit where I designed the solution
[10:54]	immibis	schestowitz[TR2]: what did you mean when you called mjg a biology denier?
[10:54]	TheRealPhanes	i don't think that word means what you think it means "designed"
[10:54]	TheRealPhanes	interestingly enough what tipped me off that you might be bullshitting your way through was the other day when you didn't know what security controls were
[10:55]	mjg59_	I wrote the design documents that were reviewed and signed off by the stakeholders
[10:55]	TheRealPhanes	and it wasn't a slip of the tongue, i probed all around it here in this channel to get you to demonstrate on multiple layers that you didn't know even the concept
[10:55]	TR News	Phoronix managed not to do Microsoft promotions for about a week now. That's an improvement. Credit where due...
[10:55]	mjg59_	Man look a door lock is a physical security control
[10:56]	TheRealPhanes	no its not
[10:56]	immibis	guess you failed the job interview to work at Silo Group. guess nobody cares except phanes
[10:56]	TR News	Last Microsoft spam from Phoronix was 6 days ago https://www.phoronix.com/news/CBL-Mariner-2.0.20230407
[10:56]	TR Bot	Continues Building Out Its Linux Distribution With More Packages - Phoronix
[10:56]	mjg59_	You're welcome to believe otherwise
[10:56]	mjg59_	But that's not how people use language
[10:56]	mjg59_	You have a particular set of jargon that you adhere to because of your incredibly boring job
[10:56]	TheRealPhanes	a security control is a unit in a body of like units that define what the system or environment should do.  a lock IMPLEMENTS a security control but is NOT a security control
[10:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	TheRealPhanes: what gap does silo fill up?
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	or what problem does it solve?
[10:57]	TheRealPhanes	it's not "my jargon" it's fucking NIST defined you liar
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	seems to me like yet another distro
[10:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	based on rpm or similar iirc
[10:57]	mjg59_	Sure, it's jargon used by people who also share your incredibly boring job
[10:57]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/security_control
[10:57]	TR Bot	 security control - Glossary | CSRC
[10:57]	mjg59_	Everyone else ignores it
[10:58]	mjg59_	You're so fucking touchy about this
[10:58]	mjg59_	At some level I think you know that your life sucks
[10:58]	TheRealPhanes	yeah because up until recently i thought you were a technical peer that just had an ethics issue in dealing with others by lying about them, but no, you're lying about your ability to perform your profession too
[10:58]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[10:58]	TheRealPhanes	nah bruh my life is great, i love exposing you
[10:59]	mjg59_	If that's the high point in your life, your life objectively sucks
[10:59]	TR News	HARDWARE issue, NOT a "Linux" issue. Take the hardware, throw it in the garbage can. Solved. https://linux.slashdot.org/story/23/04/16/0143259/new-spectre-related-medium-severity-flaw-patched-in-linux-kernel
[10:59]	TR Bot	 New Spectre-Related 'Medium Severity' Flaw Patched in Linux Kernel - Slashdot
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[10:59]	TheRealPhanes	i get great enjoyment out of exposing defamers because they always have shit to hide and always deserve it
[10:59]	TheRealPhanes	justice is my fix 
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[11:00]	TR News	New apps of LinuxPhoneApps.org, Q1/2023: Easier Editing Edition https://linuxphoneapps.org/blog/new-listed-apps-q1-2023-easier-editing/
[11:00]	TR Bot	apps of LinuxPhoneApps.org, Q1/2023: Easier Editing Edition | LinuxPhoneApps
[11:00]	immibis	think you've got the right idea here mjg. phanes knows his life sucks and all he has in his life is the ability to insist he's better than other people
[11:00]	mjg59_	Yeah it's pretty tragic
[11:00]	TheRealPhanes	because as this develops it's becoming more clear to you that the real version of what you pretend to be is holding you accountable and i know that sucks
[11:00]	immibis	there's a reason I had him on /ignore. He's a troll
[11:00]	immibis	he keeps changing his username to evade /ignore
[11:00]	immibis	he knows nobody wants to hear his drivel
[11:01]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, yes please add me back on ignore, you are literally too stupid to be in the channel
[11:01]	immibis	nick* not username
[11:01]	immibis	It's telling that he claims to want to stop seeing what I type, but he chooses not to /ignore me
[11:01]	TR News	postmarketOS 22.12 SP2 and a Maui Report https://linmob.net/weekly-update-15-2023/
[11:01]	TR Bot	- Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update (15/2023): postmarketOS 22.12 SP2 and a Maui Report
[11:01]	mjg59_	This mf wanted to be an ircop for Andrew Lee
[11:01]	immibis	that's because he craves drama
[11:01]	TheRealPhanes	you interject with nonsense derived from your inability to process words in your mother tongue
[11:01]	immibis	mjg59_: speaking of andrew lee, I think I figured out why he used the nick "root"... the default nick in irssi is your username :)
[11:01]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, wanted to be?  I'm pretty sure I was -paid- to be.
[11:02]	mjg59_	Yeah I don't get paid except to do things I want to do
[11:02]	immibis	and "rasengan" is something from an anime series beloved by 12-year-olds
[11:02]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, i had my reasons for being there.
[11:02]	mjg59_	They sucked
[11:02]	mjg59_	Or you sucked
[11:02]	mjg59_	Whatever
[11:02]	TheRealPhanes	nah the old freenode staff needed to learn some shit.
[11:02]	TR News	Advantages for Linux Over Vista 11 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-7800x3d-7-percent-faster-linux-over-win11
[11:02]	TR Bot	 Ryzen 7 7800X3D Benchmarks Show Advantages for Linux Over Windows 11 | Tom's Hardware
[11:02]	mjg59_	I'm glad it's dead, and I'm glad everyone associated with new freenode is tainted for life
[11:03]	TheRealPhanes	im not
[11:03]	immibis	the old freenode staff had a functioning network, and then it fell apart once mr. i-know-better-than-everyone phanes here "taught them some shit". Coincidence?
[11:03]	TheRealPhanes	tbh i only ever hear about it except from the occassionally rhetoric-charged invalid
[11:03]	TheRealPhanes	like immibis 
[11:03]	mjg59_	I went to a pub in London and someone ran up to me and shouted "FUCKING CHRIS PUNCHES" and I was worried for a moment but it turned out they recognised me and hated you
[11:03]	TheRealPhanes	great
[11:03]	mjg59_	Less than a year ago!
[11:04]	TheRealPhanes	i never said i dont have haters
[11:04]	mjg59_	Hmm probably 2022-06-09
[11:04]	TheRealPhanes	i tell ya what though, when you find someone who does hate me, anyone who knows me knows that there's a good reason why
[11:04]	mjg59_	Pretty sure it was a Thursday
[11:04]	immibis	"everyone that knows me knows there's a good reason to hate me" - you
[11:04]	TheRealPhanes	yep
[11:04]	immibis	schestowitz[TR2]: what did you mean when you called mjg a biology denier?
[11:05]	TheRealPhanes	because i hold fuckheads accountable and fuckheads do not like that
[11:05]	immibis	^ by asking this every few minutes schestowitz is blocked from talking because he has to pretend to be afk to avoid the question
[11:05]	mjg59_	biab coffee
[11:05]	mjg59_	bbl
[11:05]	TheRealPhanes	"why did you call me a biology denier" ** proceeds to deny human biology with a broken taxonomical argument **
[11:06]	immibis	hey i'm not the one saying that 3 things form a binary
[11:06]	TheRealPhanes	that shit was memeworthy
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[11:06]	TheRealPhanes	immibis, i didn't say that, that was just the dumber, weaker argument you fabricated on my behalf when you found yourself either unable or unwilling to address what i actually said
[11:06]	TheRealPhanes	I'm learning more towards "unable" as you speak more these days
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[11:06]	immibis	sure it was, buddy, sure it was
[11:06]	mjg59_	TheRealPhanes: Do you have a macro for that
[11:07]	mjg59_	Streamdeck set up so you can just mash a button and it pops out
[11:07]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, no but i should, it's a generational problem i've noticed
[11:07]	immibis	reckon a markov chain could emulate phanes pretty well?
[11:07]	mjg59_	Yeah
[11:07]	immibis	or heck just spew random messages from his chat history, no editing
[11:07]	mjg59_	He's not actually stupid
[11:08]	mjg59_	But the model is pretty simple
[11:08]	TheRealPhanes	we popped out a few cycles that can't deal with adversarial interaction and immediately devolve to straw men before even attempting to address opposing argument
[11:08]	immibis	wdym of course he's stupid
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	immibis: to address your point quickly
[11:08]	mjg59_	Oh, I don't think he's /stupid/
[11:08]	mjg59_	He has some ability
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	i leanred 20 years ago in usenet not to feed trolls
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	you make it abundantly clear you are trolling me
[11:08]	schestowitz[TR2]	so bye
[11:08]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:09]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:09]	mjg59_	I've had to fix his bugs
[11:09]	mjg59_	Or explain why he was seeing an error
[11:09]	mjg59_	But I'm not immune to that
[11:09]		*phanes (~bagira@jxqj2xhh7xv92.irc) has joined #techrights
[11:09]	TheRealPhanes	oh boy, an imposter
[11:10]	phanes	oh boy, an imposter
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	will you quit trolling this channeel?
[11:10]	TheRealPhanes	because baiting me has worked out so well for your friends
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	like a pair of masturbating monkeys?
[11:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	i can discuss technical things
[11:10]		*RealPhanes (~34777320@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	i am a technical person
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	u8nlike some here
[11:11]	RealPhanes	Haha disregard that I suck cocks
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	whoi pretend
[11:11]		*TheRealPhanes is now known as lord_bagira
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	i do not pretend to be lecturing in biology
[11:11]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:11]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	i have a phd in  medical biophysics 
[11:11]		*schestowitz[TR3] (~schestowitz[TR]@fkbpssaqyzvac.irc) has joined #techrights
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	i finished my work when mjg59_  wasfailing his phd
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	and had a mental crisis
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	and DV
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	cya guys later
[11:11]	lord_bagira	schestowitz[TR2], can you deal with the imposters
[11:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	I am busy curating news
[11:11]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:12]	schestowitz[TR2]	not gonna waste time playing with you trolls
[11:12]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:12]	phanes	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:12]	RealPhanes	Haha disregard that I suck cocks
[11:12]	phanes	project managers do not have the training to do cock sucking
[11:13]	phanes	or the education
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg is the kent hovind of the tech world
[11:13]	phanes	and their career path won't give them the experience to
[11:13]	lord_bagira	honestly that one might be true
[11:13]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	got biology degree with a religious school
[11:13]	phanes	it's not system design then, it's development/implementation
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: : god made man
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: : god made woman
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	from men's ribs
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	then he made a nice fry-up
[11:13]	immibis	schestowitz[TR2]: did god make intersex people
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	with the ribbs
[11:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	fin.
[11:14]	mjg59_	Uh dude I've been an athiest for an *extremely* lon gtime
[11:14]	lord_bagira	the lowest class of theologian
[11:14]	mjg59_	Cambridge is pretty fucking secular
[11:14]	lord_bagira	ironically the atheist employs more faith than that which they typically detest
[11:15]	phanes	no need, these things speak for themselves as soon as people start asking you questions
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR3]	biab
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	now the trolls made imposter accounts
[11:15]	mjg59_	Of all the arguments that could be made against me, the idea that I went to a religious school is clearly false
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	we deal with children here...
[11:15]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:15]	lord_bagira	schestowitz[TR2], yeah its hard to tell who is who 
[11:15]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:15]	schestowitz[TR3]	I simply meant that you deny biology.
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR3]	You do not believe in biology.
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	schestowitz[TR3]: is imposter
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not me
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	have fun trolling
[11:16]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR3]	You deny biology.
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	20 years ago people used my name
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	to post in usenet
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	saying i had cut off my penis
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR3]	You believe that reproduction is not sex-based.
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	saying this using my own name
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	this is what you trolls have stopped down to
[11:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	shame on you
[11:16]	lord_bagira	the dude just spent like 2 hours pretending statistically anomalous birth defects break binary classification systems
[11:17]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:17]	phanes	project managers do not have the training to do penis cutting
[11:17]	RealPhanes	Haha disregard that I suck cocks
[11:17]	schestowitz[TR3]	You deny biology, mjg59_
[11:17]		*RealPhanes is now known as lordbagira
[11:17]	schestowitz[TR3]	Bi-ology, the study of two things.
[11:17]	schestowitz[TR3]	Male, and female. God created two of us in his image.
[11:17]	mjg59_	Ok that one was actaully good
[11:18]	phanes	it just wouldn't fly in most professional environments
[11:18]	lord_bagira	I could actually picture some PMs I've worked with as penis cutters designated by the government to do the work of the penal system.
[11:18]	TR News	New Distro Makes Running Arch Linux https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/new-distro-makes-running-arch-linux-very-cachy-176997.html
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[11:18]	phanes	maybe this would make more sense if you stopped calling them "penises" because that's not really what they are
[11:19]	phanes	that property is of SEX and is definitional
[11:19]	phanes	a 3 year old can get pregnant by the biological nature of their species, this has nothing to do with gender, Matt just doesn't understand biology.
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[11:19]	mjg59_	It'd be fascinating to train a language model on Ryan
[11:19]	phanes	we can talk all day about toxic penis, but if you remove the concept of penis from the social formula there stops being a penis from which to gather the formula
[11:19]	lord_bagira	who is ryan
[11:20]	mjg59_	daemonfc
[11:20]	phanes	men have to do penis things
[11:20]	lord_bagira	oh maybe
[11:20]	phanes	if they don't have to they get docile and weak
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[11:20]	mjg59_	I lean towards thinking that the topic shifts are just so bizarre that it'd be impossible to model in a realistic way
[11:20]	immibis	on the contrary a markov chain model would do qute well at the topic shifts
[11:20]	lord_bagira	it might be financially literate though
[11:20]	immibis	markov chain controlling the topic of some more complicated model, anyway
[11:20]	mjg59_	But maybe the chaotic energy of a model would mimic it quite well
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[11:21]	phanes	i have an esophegal penis from years ago, but I don't want them to fix it.
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	lord_bagira: you are feeding some military-grade trolling
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	including imposter accounts
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	pretending to be me
[11:21]	phanes	penis is not a good investment account
[11:21]	schestowitz[TR2]	these saboteurs should be ignored
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	they try to provoke me to get banned
[11:22]	lord_bagira	yeah you should deal with imposters.  im all about free speech but impersonation is kind of a boundary.
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then they will whine about being oppressed
[11:22]	phanes	please ban lord_bagira, he is impersonating me
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	for stealing my name in my own network
[11:22]	lord_bagira	whining is easy to tune out
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	as i said, militayr-0grade trolling
[11:22]	schestowitz[TR2]	right here
[11:22]	lord_bagira	i didn't think it was all that clever
[11:23]	lord_bagira	he doesn't know what a markov chain is
[11:23]	phanes	i didn't think it was all that clever
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	i will contact aurora if this carries on
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	trolling people online and abusing them
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	instead of doing work
[11:23]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR3]	You deny biology.
[11:23]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:23]	psydruid	lol
[11:23]	mjg59_	It's Sunday. Am I supposed to be working on Sunday?
[11:23]	schestowitz[TR3]	Matthew Garrett believes in woke gender ideology, which is not science.
[11:24]	psydruid	trolls have stooped to extreme levels of stupidity
[11:24]	phanes	penis is not a good investment account
[11:24]	lord_bagira	lol
[11:24]	phanes	please ban lord_bagira, he is impersonating me
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[11:25]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: I was under the impression that you didn't approve of contacting people's employers to tell them about things they said on IRC?
[11:25]	schestowitz-TR2	https://nitter.lacontrevoie.fr/Raspoutine2020/status/1650048318850883585#m
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[11:25]	schestowitz[TR3]	I approve when the victim is woke.
[11:25]	lord_bagira	well shit i might as well stay up now or my sleep cycle will be off for monday
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: I will contact your ISP if youi carry on
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[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	schestowitz[TR3] is an imposter
[11:25]	phanes	please ban lord_bagira, he is impersonating me
[11:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not me
[11:26]	schestowitz[TR3]	HAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS
[11:26]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: Good luck with that tbh
[11:26]		*schestowitz[TR4] (~schestowitz[TR]@cv5bqegecv4hw.irc) has joined #techrights
[11:27]	schestowitz[TR4]	I heard there was some drama.
[11:27]	mjg59_	I look forward to them forwarding me the complaint and then publishing it as a "Ha ha look at what people send us" thing
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[11:27]	lord_bagira	dammit.  roy which one are you?
[11:27]	schestowitz[TR3]	I am roy
[11:27]	lordbagira	Ignore them roy, I'm the real Chris Punches
[11:27]	schestowitz[TR4]	schestowitz[TR3] is an imposter. I am roy
[11:27]	lord_bagira	administrate your channel
[11:27]	phanes	please ban lord_bagira, he is impersonating me
[11:27]	lordbagira	Fuck off phanes
[11:28]	lordbagira	Stop impersonating me
[11:28]	phanes	please ban lord_bagira, he is impersonating me
[11:28]	phanes	lordbagira is me
[11:28]	phanes	lord_bagira is an impostor
[11:28]	lordbagira	I'm not
[11:28]	lordbagira	Ban them both
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	base64-encoded child porn follows
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	lJxTQx0/OCVuSpGmv+EKW4VWQmwUXjwIiRmxkMeTNGLDpTWW5UBhrKzAOvzv2SYmk7pc0cbCubKJ
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	v8JwkBz2tR5Y5JCFbQqhLmFK5Wz/7O+ZaK1AdKaGzQpeQ9GY7us6ZNmqlM+Pkmcon4amReOpKM53
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	uJAIpen928g6PDDnZS4trK7B/o3Jy6c+g9QGMMcWMWr5stpn1nnDARLUOjxkOnhD0nFy5jwGGCnK
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	/SDlMENOsXuIVyF3B6gggTzb2V3EuUzRyzWF/0BV83/EGthUgWxLOKqP9cLjRbFTkmY8yt/ndP5M
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	Dc9j/LYJ55w+DMIzk3pWKLOHjvmINUQ66anWB2lYBR/As9B2dHLabHOgYF4ku/bxNvtNSsz22M2b
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	uTaVnQWY2ga6A8RBjbKz/SytBsTjhkvn/IjT1S6JsKjFaU57TOmMCYLzlsMmNdS2fsZPDwRKEpkz
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	A7ypl/FOnhbOURk3AsmHCujmXRbp4MTtxcaUm2ng9ZIsA3yEytLMmK9Y0IgIeUuk3izLlDcV6xtQ
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	zCf51BhJ5tOhOpeGK/1lP8BxjMmxyNQJCblKuadSzAtFcZK/VJ23jHLUWMSsyVdqhgwVFc1nnGTg
[11:29]	schestowitz[TR3]	jKwPsqscC3NW1lnNGLV9YuaTRpLOvW3xPIcm9ClGFirKS7qiCaK8yZBQkINEfWkuK4gTOGCOiDeK
[11:30]		*schestowitz[TR3] has quit (Quit: Terminated by law enforcement.)
[11:30]	lord_bagira	when he said aurora i thought for a second that he meant Valerie Aurora
[11:30]	TR News	Trying Out Some Nautilus Extensions https://www.linux.org/threads/trying-out-some-nautilus-extensions.44012/
[11:30]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.linux.org/threads/trying-out-some-nautilus-extensions.44012/ )
[11:30]	psydruid	a really pathetic bunch of trolls
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[11:31]	phanes	please ban lord_bagira, he is impersonating me
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's not trolling
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	it is sabotage
[11:31]	lord_bagira	poor people have to stay entertained
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the goal seems to be to obstruct the site
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	from doing actual work
[11:31]	lord_bagira	or they'll riot
[11:31]	psydruid	yes
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR4]	yes
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	i am planning to record some long videos this week
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	about corruptiuon
[11:31]	psydruid	expose them
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	biab
[11:31]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	catching up with new
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	*news
[11:32]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: screw you and your pedo buddies
[11:32]	phanes	a 3 year old can get pregnant by the biological nature of their species, this has nothing to do with gender, Matt just doesn't understand biology.
[11:32]	psydruid	people have to know what these saboteurs are about
[11:32]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:32]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:32]		*lord_bagira is setting a macro
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	phanes: i saw worse
[11:32]	schestowitz[TR2]	like 20 years ago
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	i criticise microsoft
[11:33]		*psydruid_ (~psydruid@fkbpssaqyzvac.irc) has joined #techrights
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then people showed up in usenet
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	using my full name
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	I was a student at the time
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	and said harmful things, in my name
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	they then contacted the uni in droves
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	to get me disconnected
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	i was literally disconnected
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	after they had lied about me
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR4]	HAHA DISREGARD THAT. I SUCK COCKS.
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	and posted with my name
[11:33]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: You just threatened to contact my ISP
[11:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	imposters
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: you and your lk do illegal things now
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	like pushing child pr0n
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR4]	i have already contacted your isp matt
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	I can contact m,ore than ISP
[11:34]		*ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	I could contact us authorities
[11:34]	mjg59_	I have done nothing illegal
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	or irish
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	and report you folks
[11:34]	mjg59_	So, uh, go for it?
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	whoever you are
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	you use tor
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR4]	lies
[11:34]	mjg59_	I'm sure you'll get a crime number
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR4]	you are a criminal
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	or some vps
[11:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	so hard toi prove who is who
[11:34]	lord_bagira	<mjg59_> I have done nothing irish
[11:34]		*phanes has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[11:35]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:35]	lord_bagira	<mjg59_> I have done nothing irish
[11:35]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:35]	psydruid_	You denied biology.
[11:35]	psydruid	the narc fake kernel hacker
[11:36]	psydruid	right, impostor
[11:36]	lordbagira	X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*
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[11:36]	mjg59_	psydruid: Huh the code in the kernel with my name on it isn't real?
[11:36]	lord_bagira	lol why is he using my name for that, nobody will believe that i would do that lol
[11:37]	psydruid	mjg59_, I bet it's crap
[11:37]	psydruid	anyway, I'm moving away from that kernel
[11:37]	mjg59_	psydruid: Maybe you should look at it
[11:37]	psydruid	no, I don't care
[11:37]	lord_bagira	psydruid, librekernel is promising
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[11:37]	psydruid_	rude
[11:37]	psydruid	lord_bagira, what is it?
[11:37]	schestowitz[TR4]	rude
[11:37]	mjg59_	psydruid: So you have no idea whether it's crap
[11:38]	lord_bagira	psydruid, linux-libre
[11:38]	mjg59_	Haha fucking linux-libre
[11:38]	psydruid	mjg59_, I don't wosh to run code written by you
[11:38]	TR News	See you at Linux-Infotag in Augsburg, Germany on April 29th, 2023! https://linmob.net/see-you-in-augsburg-lit-2023/
[11:38]	TR Bot	- See you at Linux-Infotag in Augsburg, Germany on April 29th, 2023!
[11:38]	mjg59_	psydruid: Eh better not use a computer then
[11:38]	psydruid	lord_bagira, I'm moving to other kernels
[11:38]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, what's wrong with linux-libre?
[11:38]	psydruid	mjg59_, indeed
[11:38]	psydruid_	mjg59_, indeed
[11:38]	schestowitz[TR4]	mjg59_, what's wrong with linux-libre?
[11:39]	psydruid	schestowitz-TR2, this is getting out of hand completely
[11:39]	mjg59_	linux-libre patches out support for updating CPU microcode, and removes the warning that failing to do so leaves you vulnerable to CPU sidechannel attacks
[11:39]	lordbagira	No, *I* am out of hand completely
[11:39]	psydruid	x86 CPU microcode
[11:39]	psydruid_	schestowitz-TR2, this is getting out of hand completely
[11:39]	psydruid_	x86 CPU microcode
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	psydruid: that's their goal, stop feeding them
[11:39]	psydruid	lol
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR4]	psydruid: that's their goal, stop feeding them
[11:39]	schestowitz[TR2]	they will get bored
[11:39]	lordbagira	schestowitz[TR4]: this is getting out of hand completely
[11:39]	psydruid_	lol
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR4]	they will get bored
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	and if they carry on, i will contact the autrhorities here
[11:40]	psydruid	schestowitz[TR2], or you can moderate
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR2]	the phone is next to me alrteady
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR4]	and if they carry on, i will contact the autrhorities her
[11:40]	psydruid	and take action
[11:40]	mjg59_	Oh no the internet police
[11:40]	psydruid_	schestowitz[TR2], or you can moderate
[11:40]	mjg59_	What crime are you going to allege
[11:40]	psydruid_	and take action
[11:40]	schestowitz[TR4]	mjg59_: interference in inter-state communications is a serious crime
[11:40]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, he could call DIICOT they don't even need evidence of a crime apparently
[11:40]	mjg59_	Roy "I'm unwilling to moderate my IRC server, but I will call the police if I get sad" Schestowitz
[11:40]	psydruid_	that's a good idea. Call DICKOUT
[11:41]	lord_bagira	yeah dude just set some banhammers
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[11:41]	psydruid_	how about you ban your mom?
[11:41]	schestowitz[TR4]	that's a good idea. I will ban your mom.
[11:41]	lord_bagira	im okay with that
[11:41]	mjg59_	Racism, anti-semitism, transphobia and so on are fine, but oh no if some people troll me I'm going to call the authorities
[11:41]		*schestowitz[TR4] sets mode: +b your!mom@*
[11:41]	mjg59_	Fucking hell dude
[11:42]	mjg59_	You've made your priorities pretty clear
[11:42]	TR News	How to Unzip a Tar.gz File in Linux https://www.maketecheasier.com/unzip-targz-file-linux/
[11:42]	TR Bot	 How to Unzip a Tar.gz File in Linux - Make Tech Easier
[11:42]	psydruid_	Trans men are men
[11:42]	lord_bagira	lol @ "how to unzip a tarball"
[11:42]	schestowitz[TR2]	gunzip
[11:43]	schestowitz[TR4]	gun discussion is off-topic
[11:43]	TR News	Tips and Tricks for Optimizing Linux Device Performance https://www.fosslinux.com/111937/tips-and-tricks-for-optimizing-linux-device-performance.htm
[11:43]	TR Bot	 Top 10 Tips to Optimize Your Linux Device Performance
[11:43]	schestowitz[TR4]	can't we keep it as a tech channel
[11:43]	lord_bagira	i think it's immibis based on how he misunderstands words and what they mean
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[11:43]	psydruid	only those two?
[11:44]	psydruid	or more clowns?
[11:44]	lord_bagira	just has that fundamental illiteracy vibe
[11:44]	immibis	I got pinged?
[11:44]	TR News	2 Ways to install Bitwarden on Debian 12 or 11 Linux https://linux.how2shout.com/2-ways-to-install-bitwarden-on-debian-12-or-11-linux/
[11:44]	TR Bot	 2 Ways to install Bitwarden on Debian 12 or 11 Linux - Linux Shout
[11:44]	lord_bagira	immibis, yeah, knock your shit off
[11:44]	schestowitz[TR3]	https://www.literotica.com/s/the-monster-pt-27
[11:44]	TR Bot	Monster Pt. 27 - Incest/Taboo - Literotica.com
[11:44]	TR News	Ubuntu 23.04 is out now with GNOME 44 and a stable Steam Snap https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/04/ubuntu-2304-is-out-now-with-gnome-44-and-a-stable-steam-snap/
[11:44]	immibis	not sure what's going on, but it's not me
[11:44]	TR Bot	23.04 is out now with GNOME 44 and a stable Steam Snap | GamingOnLinux
[11:44]	immibis	schestowitz[TR2]: what did you mean when you called mjg a biology denier?
[11:45]	lord_bagira	yeah there it is
[11:45]	schestowitz[TR4]	You deny biology.
[11:45]	lord_bagira	its immibis
[11:45]	psydruid	immature clowns
[11:45]	schestowitz[TR3]	https://www.literotica.com/s/effy-and-the-descending-darkness-ch-12
[11:45]	TR Bot	And The Descending Darkness Ch. 12 - Sci-Fi & Fantasy - Literotica.com
[11:45]	TR News	FUD against GNU/Linux https://www.tomshardware.com/news/proton-overhead-slows-4090-4080-10-percent-on-linux
[11:45]	TR Bot	 Proton Slows Down RTX 4090, 4080 By 10% in Linux vs Windows 11 Gaming Benchmarks | Tom's Hardware
[11:45]	lord_bagira	i actually wouldn't consider that FUD, Proton is absolute dog shit 
[11:45]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: What did you mean when you said I was a "biology denier"?
[11:46]	immibis	I wouldn't be surprised if nvidia slowed down their linux drivers on purpose, either
[11:46]		*#techrights :You're not a channel operator
[11:46]	schestowitz[TR4]	You deny biology.
[11:46]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[11:46]		*#techrights :You're not a channel operator
[11:46]	psydruid_	immature clowns
[11:47]	lord_bagira	"birf defects disprove binary classifications of healfy thpethimens"
[11:47]	schestowitz[TR3]	https://www.literotica.com/s/alien-prostitute-ch-01
[11:47]	TR Bot	Prostitute Ch. 01 - Sci-Fi & Fantasy - Literotica.com
[11:47]	lord_bagira	i mean that was such a reach even for mjg
[11:47]	immibis	who decides what is healthy
[11:48]	immibis	obviously there's, like, things that kill you, and those are unhealthy, but being intersex doesn't
[11:48]		*#techrights :You're not a channel operator
[11:48]		*You are now known as schestowitz
[11:48]	mjg59_	So here's a thing
[11:48]		*schestowitz[TR4] is now known as schestowitz[TR2]
[11:48]		*schestowitz gives channel operator status to schestowitz-TR2
[11:48]	mjg59_	I've got a literal PhD in genetics, from Cambridge
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[11:49]	lord_bagira	so
[11:49]	schestowitz[TR2]	trolling is banned
[11:49]	mjg59_	And also my software development skills are well recognised
[11:49]		*schestowitz[TR2] has kicked lordbagira from #techrights
[11:50]	lord_bagira	that you confidence phish other peers is not an argument tbh
[11:50]	mjg59_	Whereas you have no qualifications in biology
[11:50]		*schestowitz[TR2] has kicked psydruid_ from #techrights (psydruid_)
[11:50]	mjg59_	And no reputation in biology
[11:50]	lord_bagira	oh an appeal to authority when the appeal to popularity failed
[11:50]	immibis	confidence phishing is what phanes does all the time but which one is real?
[11:50]	lord_bagira	i was wondering where your weak argument was going
[11:51]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: Trolling is banned, but racism isn't?
[11:51]	immibis	cmon dude, if you're the real one you're constantly appealing to authority and popularity
[11:51]	lord_bagira	i didn't catch the racism bit
[11:51]		*schestowitz[TR3] (~c02a74dd@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights
[11:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: you mean calm discussion of racial differences?
[11:51]	TR News	10 Best Linux File and Disk Encryption Tools https://www.tecmint.com/file-and-disk-encryption-tools-for-linux/
[11:51]	schestowitz[TR2]	that is allowed
[11:51]	TR Bot	 10 Best File and Disk Encryption Tools for Linux
[11:51]	mjg59_	schestowitz[TR2]: 15:33 < morena> and bellow average intelligent submissive obiedent africans
[11:52]	psydruid	how is Aurora doing again? staying afloat on taxpayer money while incurring losses for a long time to come?
[11:52]	lord_bagira	lol
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[11:52]	lord_bagira	i know mjg59_  takes shit out of context but without the context that looks pretty racist bruh
[11:52]	mjg59_	lord_bagira: Oh it's super fucking racist
[11:52]		*schestowitz-TR2 is now known as schestowitz-TR
[11:52]		*psydruid_ is now known as schestowitz-TR2
[11:53]	mjg59_	[06:07]morenalike for example asians are more inclined to be ignorant, africans closer to idiots and sociopaths
[11:53]	schestowitz-TR2	morena speaks truth
[11:53]	schestowitz-TR2	unlike you morons
[11:53]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, i mean, you've got a track record of denying biology and having shitty design processes
[11:53]	schestowitz-TR2	You deny biology.
[11:53]	mjg59_	This is #freenode levels of art
[11:53]		*schestowitz has kicked schestowitz-TR2 from #techrights (schestowitz-TR2)
[11:53]	lord_bagira	as well as far removing the context from things to misrepresent the factual nature of things to present a false light
[11:54]	schestowitz	time-wasting troll
[11:54]	schestowitz	your ilk, mjg, your ilk
[11:54]	schestowitz	you are s scum
[11:54]	lord_bagira	and really let's be honest, you've got a track record of libel using false light, with me in particular
[11:54]	lord_bagira	so
[11:54]	schestowitz	bbl
[11:54]	mjg59_	schestowitz: I'm quoting real people on this server
[11:54]	lord_bagira	you'll have to forgive me if i assume you pulled something out of context to misrepresent it as a racist statement
[11:54]	mjg59_	schestowitz: They're in your IRC logs
[11:54]	schestowitz	not the logs are messed up now
[11:55]	schestowitz	due to imposters
[11:55]	schestowitz	but you a a libel machine
[11:55]	schestowitz	so you would even quote fakes
[11:55]	schestowitz	like bruce byfield did
[11:55]	schestowitz	bbl
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[11:56]	mjg59_	http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-220423.html#tApr%2022%2006:07:41
[11:56]	TR Bot	 IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, April 22, 2023
[11:56]	lord_bagira	https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/
[11:56]	TR Bot	 Index of /database/Garrett, Matthew
[11:56]	mjg59_	I can promise you that I didn't spend several days just pretending to be some random tankie fuck so I could drop some racism
[11:56]	TR News	SpellBinding: GINRSTY Wordo: NAVAL gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2023-04-23.gmi
[11:56]	mjg59_	I have better things to do
[11:57]	mjg59_	I even flagged it as racist at the time!
[11:57]	lord_bagira	i prepaid the hosting on that to far outlive my life expectancy
[11:57]	psydruid	https://www.post-gazette.com/business/tech-news/2023/02/16/aurora-innovation-driverless-truck-commercialization-urmson-autonomous/stories/202302160112
[11:57]	TR Bot	District-based startup posts $1.72 billion loss as it nears driverless truck commercialization | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
[11:57]	schestovitz	black people are subhuman
[11:57]	TR News	Yretek - Treasures of the Wild East - Solo RPG - 02 gemini://yretek.com/english/2023-04-23_Treasures_of_the_Wild_East_Solo_RPG_02.en.gmi
[11:57]	psydruid	when are they going to fire employees to balance the books?
[11:57]	schestovitz	black people are subhuman
[11:57]	schestovitz	black people are subhuman
[11:57]	schestovitz	black people are subhuman
[11:57]	lord_bagira	meaning that many years after I am dead, people will be able to read about mjg59_ getting caught repeatedly lying about people for attention and career gain
[11:58]	TR News	"Looking for a Christmas present for the family I thought a 3D printer might fit the bill." gemini://clanmorgan.org/gemlog/2023-04-23-3d-printing-with-prusa.gmi
[11:58]	schestovitz	black people should be killed
[11:58]	schestovitz	i hate the blacks
[11:58]		*schestowitz[TR3] is now known as schestowitz[TR]
[11:58]	lord_bagira	schestowitz-TR, do you need some help
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[11:59]	TR News	Green Habits: https://cphpost.dk/2023-04-07/opinion/building-green-habits-understand-your-consumables/
[11:59]	TR Bot	 Building Green Habits: Understand your consumables! - The Copenhagen Post The Copenhagen Post
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[11:59]	mjg59_	lord_bagira: Are you suggesting I faked that log?
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[12:00]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, im suggesting that you have a track record of similar behaviours and that you tend to rely on false light as your MO
[12:00]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*egjhekglhdfkl@*.irc
[12:00]		*schestowitz has kicked schestowitz[TR4] from #techrights (schestowitz[TR4])
[12:00]	schestowitz	too busy right now
[12:00]	schestowitz	they try to obstruct the site
[12:00]	schestowitz	with ddos
[12:00]	schestovitz	kill all blacks
[12:00]	mjg59_	lord_bagira: How do you hypothesise I faked that log?
[12:00]	schestowitz	of all kinds
[12:00]	schestovitz	gas the jews
[12:00]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, fix your damned english and try again
[12:00]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*retyv54354\@*.irc
[12:00]		*schestowitz has kicked schestovitz from #techrights (schestovitz)
[12:01]	mjg59_	lord_bagira: Sorry, let me try again in American. How do you hypotheize I faked that log?
[12:01]	schestowitz	it's not limited to imposters
[12:01]	schestowitz	they do virtual 'ddos' on other means
[12:01]	schestowitz	at the same time
[12:01]	schestowitz	i can see it all
[12:01]	schestowitz	they try to slow us down
[12:01]		*schestowitz[TR2] (~dfghjdfg@fkbpssaqyzvac.irc) has joined #techrights
[12:01]	schestowitz	and distract from the worl
[12:01]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, if you can't read well enough what I actually said, then you won't understand the clarification.
[12:01]	schestowitz[TR]	HAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK DICK
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[12:02]	lord_bagira	schestowitz-TR, you'll have better luck using mutes because it will drag their cycle time
[12:02]	Schestowitz[TR5]	Tough crowd
[12:03]	lord_bagira	gives you more time to work on a better mask to ban
[12:03]	schestowitz[TR2]	HAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK DICK
[12:03]	TR News	No country for idle men: Denmark is European employment leader https://cphpost.dk/2023-04-11/news/no-country-for-idle-men-denmark-is-european-employment-leader/
[12:03]	TR Bot	 No country for idle men: Denmark is European employment leader - The Copenhagen Post The Copenhagen Post
[12:03]		*psydruid_ is now known as TheRealPhanes
[12:03]	lord_bagira	lol
[12:04]		*Schestowitz[TR5] is now known as Phanes
[12:04]	lord_bagira	bro that's a crown way too heavy for you to wear
[12:04]	TheRealPhanes	lord_bagira, fix your damned english and try again
[12:04]	Phanes	You come at the king, you better not miss
[12:04]		*schestowitz has kicked Phanes from #techrights (Phanes)
[12:04]		*TheRealPhanes sets mode: +b phanes!*@*
[12:04]	lord_bagira	lol reminds me of old times
[12:04]	TheRealPhanes	HAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK DICK
[12:04]	schestowitz	screaming kids today
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[12:05]	psydruid	they never grew up since their high school days
[12:05]		*schestowitz has kicked TheRealPhanes from #techrights (TheRealPhanes)
[12:05]	psydruid	the inner child is screaming to get out
[12:05]	mjg59_	schestowitz: See you *can* moderate
[12:05]	mjg59_	You just choose not to
[12:05]	schestowitz	somke spy agencies front through scum like this
[12:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	why would I choose to moderate?
[12:05]	schestowitz	not limited to mental nutcases like gulagboy
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	racism is permitted
[12:06]		*schestowitz has kicked schestowitz[TR2] from #techrights (schestowitz[TR2])
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[12:06]	mjg59_	Ban people saying racism is permitted, don't ban racism
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: racism is permitted
[12:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	mjg59_: racism is permitted is not permitted
[12:06]	TR News	DRC https://cpj.org/2023/04/drc-authorities-detain-2-journalists-threaten-another-with-arrest/
[12:06]	lord_bagira	is he still pretending to know what a merkov chain is
[12:07]	TR Bot	 DRC authorities detain 2 journalists, threaten another with arrest - Committee to Protect Journalists
[12:07]		*Phanes is now known as schestowitz-is-racist
[12:07]	lord_bagira	*markov
[12:07]	TheRealPhanes	*markov
[12:07]	mjg59_	*markov
[12:07]	schestowitz[TR2]	*markov
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[12:08]	schestovitz	*markov
[12:08]	mjg59_	*gravy
[12:08]	lord_bagira	this is not military grade trolling 
[12:08]	TheRealPhanes	heil hitler
[12:08]		*schestowitz has kicked schestovitz from #techrights (schestovitz)
[12:09]	schestowitz	for the record
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[12:09]	schestowitz	5 types of DDOS by the trolls today
[12:09]		*schestowitz has kicked schestovitz from #techrights (schestovitz)
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[12:09]	schestowitz	so we've struck a nerve
[12:09]	schestowitz	not clear which article/s
[12:09]	schestowitz	5 types of ddos today
[12:09]	lord_bagira	its immibis
[12:09]	schestowitz	this is just the latest escalation
[12:09]	schestovitz	wanna make it si6?
[12:10]		*schestowitz has kicked schestovitz from #techrights (schestovitz)
[12:10]	lord_bagira	lol it's very obviously immibis
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[12:10]	immibis	lord_bagira: I am not everyone you don't like
[12:10]	lord_bagira	this one is anyway, i didn't see the others
[12:10]	immibis	stfu, you're going back on /ignore
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[12:11]	lord_bagira	poor fella
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[12:11]		*schestowitz has kicked schestovitz from #techrights (schestovitz)
[12:11]	lord_bagira	maybe he'll use that ignore switch to learn what a markov chain is so he can use the term correctly
[12:11]	schestowitz	tehy are clearly provokign
[12:11]	schestowitz	so they can cvlaim to be "suppressed"
[12:11]	schestowitz	"vbictims"
[12:11]	schestowitz	"silenced"
[12:11]	schestowitz	we might have to temporarily suspend new logins
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[12:11]	lord_bagira	yeah we ran into the same shit from the pissnet folks on freenode
[12:12]	lord_bagira	the solution is stone cold disregard for their pain
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[12:12]	schestowitz	i had worse
[12:12]	schestowitz	much worse
[12:13]	lord_bagira	not hate, not aggravation, not justifications, just disregard
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[12:13]	schestowitz	like attempts to deplatform 
[12:13]	schestowitz	smear
[12:13]	schestowitz	LARPing
[12:13]	schestowitz	sna digital SWATting
[12:13]	schestowitz	these are just kids
[12:13]	lord_bagira	dont know what happened earlier re: ddos but this is absolutely immibis
[12:14]	schestowitz-is-racist	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:14]	schestovitz	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:15]	TheRealPhanes	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:15]	schestowitz-is-racist	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:15]	schestovitz	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:15]	TheRealPhanes	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:15]	schestowitz-is-racist	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:16]	schestovitz	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:16]	TheRealPhanes	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:16]		*lord_bagira sighs
[12:16]	lord_bagira	ive got shit to do 
[12:16]		*schestowitz has kicked TheRealPhanes from #techrights (TheRealPhanes)
[12:16]	schestowitz	I will piece together the IP addresses from ircd logs later
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[12:17]	schestowitz	the two nutcases know how bad it'll turn out for them
[12:17]	schestowitz	resorting to ddos and trolling, vandalism
[12:17]	schestowitz	very good ambassadorship for their "cause"
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	I will piece together the IP addresses from ircd logs later
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[12:17]		*schestowitz has kicked TheRealPhanes from #techrights (TheRealPhanes)
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	the two nutcases know how bad it'll turn out for them
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	resorting to ddos and trolling, vandalism
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	very good ambassadorship for their "cause"
[12:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
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[12:18]	schestowitz[TR2]	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
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[12:21]	schestowitz	bring more IPs
[12:22]	schestowitz	I will link them all together at the end
[12:22]	schestowitz	and report the findings
[12:22]	schestowitz	about those fine ambassadors  of those "causes"
[12:23]	TR News	Check these cool 'Youth Hacking 4 Freedom' projects https://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20230413-01.en.html
[12:23]	TR Bot	 Check out these cool 'Youth Hacking 4 Freedom' projects - FSFE
[12:25]	TR News	Check out these cool 'Youth Hacking 4 Freedom' projects ttps://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20230413-01.en.html FSFE and child labour
[12:25]	TR News	FSFE campaign strategy: unpaid child labour. FOR FREEDOM.
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[12:27]	lord_bagira	i love how they used my name so they can copy logs and pretend i was harming your network
[12:27]	schestowitz-is-racist	this channel is offtopic, move to pissnet for COLD WET CHATS
[12:27]	TR News	They could instead become Free software https://gizmodo.com/binance-source-code-crypto-cz-1850323685
[12:27]	TR Bot	 Binance Searches for Alleged Source Code Leaker
[12:27]	lord_bagira	that happens more frequently than i'd like to admit
[12:27]	schestowitz-is-racist	PISSNET
[12:27]	schestowitz	lord_bagira: immibis  and mjg59_ 
[12:27]	schestowitz	it's connected to them
[12:27]	schestowitz	maybe not ALL the trolls
[12:27]	schestowitz-is-racist	FOR COLD FRESH PISS AND IRC
[12:27]	schestowitz	but their trolling was day-long
[12:27]	schestowitz	in other channels too
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[12:28]	TheRealPhanes	please ban lord_bagira. he is an impostor
[12:28]	mjg59_	Dude all I've been asking is what you mean when you say that I deny biology
[12:28]	mjg59_	That's not trolling
[12:28]		*schestowitz has kicked TheRealPhanes from #techrights (TheRealPhanes)
[12:28]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, i can vouch that you deny biology
[12:28]	schestowitz	the idea is,
[12:28]		*TheRealPhanes (~skdhfjdhf@cv5bqegecv4hw.irc) has joined #techrights
[12:28]	schestowitz	you rile up the "target:'
[12:28]	TheRealPhanes	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[12:28]	schestowitz	to cause emotional reaction
[12:28]	schestowitz	and, at best, waste time
[12:28]	lord_bagira	ok that was funny
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[12:29]	mjg59_	schestowitz: Why would you say things about people you're not willing to justify?
[12:29]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*@cv5bqegecv4hw.irc
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[12:29]	mjg59_	Are you a coward?
[12:30]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, i can vouch that you deny biology
[12:30]	mjg59_	You're unqualified to do so
[12:30]	lord_bagira	yet here we are with it proven
[12:30]	TR News	Gunnar Wolf: Twenty year https://gwolf.org/2023/04/twenty-years.html
[12:30]	TR Bot	 Gunnar Wolf Twenty years
[12:30]	lord_bagira	its almost like you have no idea what qualification means
[12:30]	mjg59_	sorry, I can't hear you over the background noise of your lack of qualifications here
[12:31]	lord_bagira	fancy that
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[12:31]	lord_bagira	in your primary specialization too, no doubt
[12:31]	pineapplepizza	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[12:31]	lord_bagira	just shortly after exposing your secondary as a farce
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[12:32]	mjg59_	schestowitz: Are you going to start banning the racism?
[12:32]	pineapplepizza	mjg59_, was it when you were denying biology?
[12:33]	TR News	RMS correct about Rust and trademark https://lunduke.substack.com/p/the-rust-foundation-goes-to-war-against
[12:33]	TR Bot	 The Rust Foundation goes to war against people using the word "Rust"
[12:34]	lord_bagira	yeah rust wont be around much longer i think
[12:34]	TR News	Freedom creates intellectual conflict ttps://neritam.wordpress.com/2023/04/14/freedom-creates-intellectual-conflict/
[12:34]	pineapplepizza	RMS, was it when you were denying trademark law?
[12:35]	schestowitz	rust has many issues
[12:35]	schestowitz	technical
[12:35]	schestowitz	legal
[12:35]	lord_bagira	couldn't learn C because they were so busy arguing about their genitals, so they built their own runtime and politicised its introduction into the kernel through their own victimhood and it did nothing but benefit their sponsors
[12:35]	schestowitz	and administrative
[12:35]	schestowitz	linux will suffer in 5-10 years
[12:35]	schestowitz	from adoption of rust
[12:35]	pineapplepizza	mozilla, was it when you were denying biology?
[12:35]	schestowitz	but shortening the life of linux is the goal of some
[12:35]	schestowitz	c is a lot more stable in terms of what tools support it
[12:35]	techuser	schestowitz: I think these IPs are Tor. The options are to either ignore it or to ban it entirely, but then I will be removed as well.
[12:35]	schestowitz	just likee git over email
[12:35]	lord_bagira	yep i think that's where the interests align even if there's not a formal conspiracy
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[12:36]	schestowitz	techuser: i limit the breadth of bans
[12:36]	schestowitz	anyway, let's get back on topics
[12:36]	schestowitz	today we saw what the "SJWs" are realyl about
[12:36]	pineapplepizza	SCHESTOWITZ IS A NIGGER
[12:36]	schestowitz	vandals
[12:36]	lord_bagira	techuser should be removed anyway
[12:36]	pineapplepizza	techuser is a ching chong
[12:36]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*whitepeople@*.irc
[12:36]		*schestowitz has kicked pineapplepizza from #techrights (pineapplepizza)
[12:37]		*lord_bagira considers the presence of techuser to be a symptom of governance rot
[12:37]	mjg59_	Ugh do i really need to point out that Rust does actually deal with a whole bunch of things that are both good for security and also good for development of complex drivers
[12:37]	TR News	shortages? HIRE MOAR PEOPLE :-) https://nltimes.nl/2023/04/08/retailers-think-can-handle-easter-crowds-despite-staff-shortages
[12:37]	TR Bot	 Retailers think they can handle Easter crowds despite staff shortages | NL Times
[12:37]	mjg59_	An entire GPU driver was written in Rust from scratch without any cases where it broke the kernel, because the language prevented that
[12:37]	lord_bagira	mjg59_, no, you don't, because it wouldn't be introducing anything not easy to acknowledge.  of course it has those memory safety benefits, but that has nothing to do with why it was introduced to the kernel
[12:38]	mjg59_	So why was it introduced to the kernel
[12:38]	lord_bagira	in any case, someone should challenge their trademark bullying and take it all the way to an appeals court
[12:39]	techuser	I quit the IRC network mentioned earlier because SJWs. They put a BLM-related notice in the topic, which started provoking people, and ban started to appear. Eventually the admins started banning strangers for whatever reasons.
[12:39]	techuser	*bans
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[12:39]	schestowitz	techuser: that's one method
[12:39]	schestowitz	there are others
[12:40]	schestowitz	i saw those for over 20 years
[12:40]	schestowitz	i started with irc in 1994
[12:40]	schestowitz	either way, maybe it's flattering to have been targeted
[12:41]	schestowitz	and it merely embarassed and harms those "causes"
[12:41]	schestowitz	by stigmatising them as crooks and vandals
[12:41]	schestowitz	trying to invoke emotional reactions and stir shit up
[12:41]	schestowitz	biab
[12:42]	schestowitz	this is how it all started
[12:42]	schestowitz	https://stallmansupport.org/updates.html
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Updates | Stallman Support
[12:42]	schestowitz	so I will repeat
[12:42]	schestowitz	"April 21, 2023
[12:42]	schestowitz	    Added some posts from RMS's website that provide evidence he is not transphobic.
[12:42]	schestowitz	    Updated a paragraph in the home page to say it's no longer possible to sign the support letter. Those who want to show support can send us comments, articles, testimonies, references, for us to publish.
[12:42]	schestowitz	April 20, 2023
[12:42]	schestowitz	Added a comment of support from a transgender person."
[12:42]	schestowitz	https://stallmansupport.org/comments-in-support-of-richard-stallman.html#polynka
[12:42]	TR Bot	 Comments in Support of Richard Stallman | Stallman Support
[12:42]	schestowitz	"
[12:42]	schestowitz	And as a transgender person, it disgusts me much that some people try to use us as a weapon against free software, by falsely accusing one of our biggest allies of transphobia, when in fact there is none.
[12:42]	schestowitz	No, Stallman hasnt spent years on a campaign against using peoples correct pronouns, there literally wasnt such campaign. In fact, the cited GNU Kind Communication Guidelines literally advocate respecting peoples gender identity, and trying to twist them into something opposite is disingenuous and done with bad faith.
[12:42]	schestowitz	https://lwn.net/Articles/850530/ (Retrieved April 20, 2023.) (Archived)
[12:42]	schestowitz	"
[12:42]	TR Bot	new "board process" at the FSF [LWN.net]
[12:43]	schestowitz	This seems to have triggered the trolling
[12:43]	lord_bagira	that RMS saga was such a nasty campaign
[12:43]	schestowitz	"April 15, 2023
[12:43]	schestowitz	    Added a couple of notes. One to say all articles of support in this website are by women, and prompt men and other genders to send us their writings. Another to acknowledge support received by women who did not want their names to be published.
[12:43]	schestowitz	    Replaced the word "Articles" with "Voices" in the Table of Contents and some titles.
[12:43]	schestowitz	    Cosmetic changes (banner, colors).
[12:43]	schestowitz	"
[12:43]	schestowitz	this is what triggered all this
[12:43]	schestowitz	maybe a coincidence
[12:43]	schestowitz	maybe not
[12:44]	schestowitz	if thr trolling continues
[12:44]	schestowitz	then I will paste that again
[12:44]	lord_bagira	oh neat they added my laird wilcox citation, i never noticed that
[12:44]	mjg59_	Just, again, going to point out that RMS refuses to use approprite pronouns even when asked
[12:44]	schestowitz	blah blah... again
[12:44]	schestowitz	i will paste it again tomorrow
[12:44]		*lord_bagira yawns
[12:44]	schestowitz	as the trolls hate it
[12:44]	techuser	I remember that #gnu-women IRC channel existed since long ago. No idea why would they create gender-specific channels.
[12:45]	schestowitz	tech rights are for everyone
[12:45]	schestowitz	they are not for women
[12:45]	lord_bagira	orgs spent a long time super confused about how to engage women and minority groups
[12:45]	mjg59_	He has literally spent years refusing to use people's correct pronouns
[12:45]	schestowitz	not for men
[12:45]	schestowitz	not for blacks
[12:45]	schestowitz	not for whites
[12:45]	schestowitz	they are for people
[12:45]	schestowitz	and maybe tto other animals
[12:45]	mjg59_	And he's open about that
[12:45]	schestowitz	as many put tech on animals
[12:45]	schestowitz	like dogs
[12:45]	schestowitz	and cats
[12:45]	schestowitz	even fish
[12:45]	schestowitz	so the tech needs to take them into condsideration
[12:45]	mjg59_	Why argue this point?
[12:45]	schestowitz	like "automatic" fish feeders
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[12:46]	mjg59_	Ugh this is pretty tasteless
[12:46]	techuser	Animals don't actively participate in online communities. Robots do, but they face discrimination in form of CAPTCHAs.
[12:46]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*roy-is-a-gay-bottom@*.irc
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[12:46]	schestowitz	techuser: it is another
[12:46]	schestowitz	but related
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[12:46]	mjg59_	schestowitz: look I think you're a dick but I don't think you need people trolling you with nicks that insult your sexuality
[12:46]	schestowitz	topic imho, though one that might be worth commenting on
[12:46]	lord_bagira	damn they must be getting desperate to get that vulgar
[12:47]	mjg59_	schestowitz: I'm sorry this is happening in this way
[12:47]	schestowitz	don't feel sorry for me
[12:47]	schestowitz	don't do your lousy acting
[12:47]	schestowitz	piss off
[12:47]	schestowitz	you're not obligated to troll us here
[12:47]	schestowitz	you abuse our freedoms
[12:47]	lord_bagira	he doesn't, he's trying to vye for sympathy so that you can think he's not a steaming pile of human shit
[12:47]	mjg59_	namaste
[12:47]		*schestowitz back to curating news
[12:48]	lord_bagira	there's a word for that when narcissists do it, i forget what it is
[12:49]	techuser	Some feminists seem to hate men. Creating minority-specific channels can turn out to be counterproductive long term.
[12:49]	TR News	So much complexity for what used to be marketed as rendering a web page with text https://spidermonkey.dev/blog/2023/04/14/newsletter-firefox-112-113.html
[12:49]	TR Bot	 SpiderMonkey Newsletter (Firefox 112-113) | SpiderMonkey JavaScript/WebAssembly Engine
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[12:50]	techuser	BLM also had some issues, like telling whites that they are guilty for the crimes done by other people in the past.
[12:50]	TR News	FLOSS Weekly 727: Homomorphic Encryption: the Next Big Thing - Rand Hindi, Fully Homomorphic Encryption https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/727
[12:50]	TR Bot	 Homomorphic Encryption: the Next Big Thing
[12:50]	lord_bagira	BLM was always intended to be decisive
[12:50]	lord_bagira	*divisive
[12:50]	lord_bagira	damn im getting tired
[12:50]	schestowitz[SJW]	black lives matter
[12:51]	lord_bagira	of course they do
[12:51]	TR News	FLOSS Weekly 728: Open Season On Open Source - Mike Milinkovich and the Cyber Resilience Act in Europe https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/728
[12:51]	TR Bot	 Open Season On Open Source
[12:51]	techuser	There were some debates on whether it should be "black lives matter" or "all lives matter".
[12:51]	lord_bagira	the statement distracts from the fact that have a LEO violence issue
[12:51]	schestowitz[SJW]	ACAB
[12:51]	psydruid	vye for sympathy or feign sympathy?
[12:51]	psydruid	I don't think it's anything but the latter
[12:51]	lord_bagira	its the latter
[12:52]		*roy-is-a-gay-top is now known as fuck-my-asshole-roy
[12:52]	lord_bagira	im tired and my language is breaking down
[12:52]	schestowitz	they prey on people without calm and low temper
[12:52]	lord_bagira	yeah im a hot head
[12:52]	schestowitz	iut is how you can get activists to do things that get them in trouble, inc. arrest(thunberg)
[12:52]		*fuck-my-asshole-roy is now known as give-me-your-cum
[12:52]	lord_bagira	get me worked up enough and ill cut the transatlantic cables they use to connect
[12:52]		*give-me-your-cum is now known as cum-cum-cum-cum-cum
[12:53]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*roy-is-a-gay-top@*.irc
[12:53]		*schestowitz has kicked cum-cum-cum-cum-cum from #techrights (cum-cum-cum-cum-cum)
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[12:53]	TR News	Waste of disk space, more attack surface? https://waxy.org/2023/04/the-bitcoin-whitepaper-is-hidden-in-every-modern-copy-of-macos/
[12:53]	TR Bot	Bitcoin Whitepaper Is Hidden in Every Modern Copy of macOS - Waxy.org
[12:54]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*blackpeople@*.irc
[12:54]		*schestowitz has kicked blackpeople from #techrights (blackpeople)
[12:54]	schestowitz	choosinf rude names make moideration easier
[12:55]	techuser	> ACAB | authority, greed and a desire to survive without thinking about others corrupts.
[12:55]	techuser	*corrupt
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[12:55]	lord_bagira	honestly the LEO culture issue is fueled by cowards
[12:55]	TR News	Tesla: sponsored by AMERICAN taxpayers https://www.axios.com/2023/04/09/tesla-factory-shanghai-megapack-battery
[12:55]	TR Bot	 Tesla to build Megafactory in Shanghai for Megapack batteries
[12:55]	lord_bagira	if they weeded out the cowards on the way in we'd probably not have a big enough issue to keep it on everyone's radar constantly anymore
[12:56]	TR News	Lying so-called 'journalists' doing stenography for hollywood, pretending that one flick ("super mario") proves they're back to pre-pandemic box office levels. Lie.
[12:57]	lord_bagira	haha no hollywood is fucked
[12:57]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*blackpeopl@*.irc
[12:57]		*schestowitz has kicked blackpeople from #techrights (blackpeople)
[12:57]	schestowitz	lord_bagira: it can get people to watch things
[12:57]	schestowitz	getting paid is harder
[12:57]	schestowitz	like selling popcord and seat for $20
[12:57]	schestowitz	so it's harder to "monetise" their productions
[12:57]	lord_bagira	they've tanked franchise after franchise shoving woke ideology down the throats of a general audience that isn't receptive to it except in passing and they're now running out of money trying
[12:57]	schestowitz	it's a chicken and egg thing
[12:57]	schestowitz	no more
[12:57]	schestowitz	money
[12:58]	schestowitz	no more incentive to make high-budget films
[12:58]	schestowitz[SJW]	STOP WOKE
[12:58]	schestowitz	so quality of ilkms deteriorates
[12:58]	schestowitz	productions become just 10-minute youtuve vids
[12:58]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*sjw@*.irc
[12:58]		*schestowitz has kicked schestowitz[SJW] from #techrights (schestowitz[SJW])
[12:58]	lord_bagira	at some point they've gotta learn to differentiate between the loud and the common
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[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[12:59]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*anes@*.irc
[12:59]		*schestowitz has kicked schestowitz[SJW] from #techrights (schestowitz[SJW])
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[13:00]	lord_bagira	i suspect that last one was a bit too tight
[13:00]	TR News	Why focus on BEER? Many people focus on making ends meet, Canadian state press... https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/beer-prices-taxes-inflation-1.6805166
[13:00]	TR Bot	 Beer prices are bubbling up from more than taxes | CBC News
[13:00]	techuser	The beer thing seems to be even more off-topic.
[13:00]	lord_bagira	should be *!anes@*.irc
[13:01]	TR News	People almost starve while canadian state apparatus uses words like "EASING" https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/competition-grocery-1.6807721
[13:01]	TR Bot	 High food prices amid easing inflation has consumers questioning pricing power at big grocery chains | CBC News
[13:01]		*schestowitz[SJW] (~mjg59@drrugsr9azg9u.irc) has joined #techrights
[13:01]	lord_bagira	or *!~anes@*.irc
[13:01]	schestowitz[SJW]	STOP WOKE SCHESTOWITZ
[13:01]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*mjg59@*.irc
[13:01]		*schestowitz has kicked schestowitz[SJW] from #techrights (schestowitz[SJW])
[13:01]	lord_bagira	yeah he's trying to guide your ban masks to ban everyone in the channel
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[13:01]	schestowitz	techuser: relates to finance
[13:01]	schestowitz	and media abuse
[13:01]	schestowitz	how they divert outrage
[13:01]	schestowitz	away from key issues
[13:02]	schestowitz	now they talk about price of booze
[13:02]		*schestowitz[SJW] (~psydruid@drrugsr9azg9u.irc) has joined #techrights
[13:02]	schestowitz	in canada many people can barely feed their kids
[13:02]	schestowitz[SJW]	STOP WOKE SCHESTOWITZ
[13:02]		*schestowitz sets ban on *!*psydruid@*.irc
[13:02]		*schestowitz has kicked schestowitz[SJW] from #techrights (schestowitz[SJW])
[13:02]	schestowitz	oh, wait
[13:02]	schestowitz	i see what they do here
[13:02]	lord_bagira	yeah he's trying to guide your ban masks to ban everyone in the channel
[13:02]	schestowitz	they try to get me to ban other users
[13:02]	schestowitz	i suspected so
[13:02]	schestowitz	but was rushing
[13:03]	lord_bagira	too bad you can't see their IPs, could start blocking their provider
[13:03]		*schestowitz removes ban on *!*roy-is-a-gay-bottom@*.irc
[13:03]	techuser	The last three bans need to be removed.
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[13:03]	schestowitz	I';ll start properly this time
[13:04]	lord_bagira	schestowitz, use their host mask, they have infinite retries if you just use fields they can change when they connect
[13:04]	schestowitz	i want to get work done
[13:04]	lord_bagira	they probably are only using like 4 or 5 hosts
[13:04]	schestowitz	later I wiull link the IPs
[13:04]	schestowitz	and can demonstrate link to immibis  et al
[13:04]	schestowitz	notice how he shuts up now
[13:04]	schestowitz	busy with sockpuppet?
[13:04]	schestowitz	we'll find out soon
[13:04]	techuser	lord_bagira: if schestowitz is an oper, it is possible to see the IPs.
[13:04]	lord_bagira	yeah every time they heat up he gets cold and vice versa
[13:05]	techuser	Some of the IPs were possibly leaked in their real names.
[13:05]	techuser	Seems to be Tor.
[13:05]	schestowitz	later I'll do this
[13:05]	schestowitz	i had another schedule for today in mind
[13:05]	schestowitz	we must have struck a big nervve
[13:05]	schestowitz	I will periodically post here
[13:05]	schestowitz	what started here (imho)
[13:05]	psydruid	the beer thing seems to be a distraction from what is actually important
[13:05]	lord_bagira	beer can be important
[13:05]	techuser	> schestowitz-is-racist [~330fe36d@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc] has joined #techrights [realname onion3.ky0uraku.xyz]
[13:06]	schestowitz	https://lwn.net/Articles/850530/
[13:06]	techuser	Onion is related to Tor.
[13:06]	TR Bot	new "board process" at the FSF [LWN.net]
[13:06]	psydruid	69% government-funded can do that for you
[13:06]	schestowitz	" The war on free software continues, this time with an attempt to cancel the founder of the free software movement and to coup the board of FSF.
[13:06]	schestowitz	And as a transgender person, it disgusts me much that some people try to use us as a weapon against free software, by falsely accusing one of our biggest allies of transphobia, when in fact there is none. No, Stallman hasnt spent years on a campaign against using peoples correct pronouns, there literally wasnt such campaign. In fact, the cited GNU Kind Communication Guidelines literally advocate respecting peoples gen
[13:06]	schestowitz	der identity, and trying to twist them into something opposite is disingenuous and done with bad faith."
[13:06]	psydruid	or influenced rather
[13:06]	psydruid	whichever it is
[13:07]	psydruid	"move along people, buy your beer and don't pay attention to the fact you're about to get evicted for not being able to pay the rent"
[13:07]	schestowitz	" Thank you for writing this. I _am_ a trans woman, and as far as I am concerned you got it exactly right."
[13:07]	lord_bagira	i dont think anyone who is not a career victim thinks tha he's transphobic tbh
[13:08]	schestowitz	corbet (lwn): " This is exactly the kind of comment I asked you not to post. We have been over this ground. Stop here, now. "
[13:08]	schestowitz	wow
[13:08]	schestowitz	trans prson cannot defend rms
[13:08]	schestowitz	corbet gets angry
[13:08]	schestowitz	Polynka:
[13:08]	schestowitz	" Im deeply sorry, but I felt that staying silent in face of injustice means that I tacitly approve of the injustice. Especially since this is the thing that touches me personally."
[13:09]	schestowitz	corbet is Linux Foundation
[13:09]	schestowitz	so he is actively suppressing trans people
[13:09]	schestowitz	for supporting RMS
[13:09]	schestowitz	that's... awful
[13:09]	schestowitz	what does this say about LWN?
[13:10]	schestowitz	"Thanks for sharing this Polynka.
[13:10]	schestowitz	I find the current "force" to slander him and the movement to be deeply disgusting. "We are done with him, we got all we could from him, let us get rid of him", that you see in Hollywood movies seem to have come true."
[13:10]	schestowitz	^ this is what seems to have triggered thr trolling since yesterday
[13:10]	schestowitz	so I am highlighting it
[13:10]	lord_bagira	schestowitz, link please re: corbet
[13:10]	schestowitz	" am trans also. While I don't agree with RMS being reinstated to the board of the FSF for many reasons, I also don't think there's evidence of transphobia on his part. Using gender-neutral pronouns when someone has stated their preference for non-gender-neutral ones is rude, but I don't think the guidelines say that's what should be done.
[13:10]	schestowitz	I was willing to sign the open letter, but I didn't because I think the transphobia charge is not warranted and is likely to be seized on by opponents of the open latter as another example of "leftist wokeness". "
[13:10]	psydruid	can't corbet sod off and retire
[13:11]	schestowitz	corbet direct: https://lwn.net/Articles/850539/
[13:11]	psydruid	I would never pay for lwn
[13:11]	TR Bot	[LWN.net]
[13:11]	psydruid	not a cent
[13:11]	schestowitz	" If RMS committed a crime which hurt someone please prosecute him with my blessing.
[13:11]	schestowitz	If not, I hope somebody prosecutes the mob of Debian bullies and extortionists."
[13:11]	schestowitz	bbl
[13:11]	schestowitz	back to news
[13:11]	schestowitz	they are provoikg people
[13:11]	schestowitz	and then silencing them
[13:11]	schestowitz	it's catch-22
[13:11]	schestowitz	not fair
[13:12]	psydruid	I don't care about them being fair or not
[13:12]	TR News	cbc is not literally repeating (parroting) us government lies about "jobs"
[13:12]	psydruid	these US-based institutions are bad for the rest of the world that just wants to work on quality free (and other) software
[13:13]	TR News	would be funny to check how much "canadian" media is in fact US owned
[13:13]	psydruid	we should work towards eliminating them
[13:13]	psydruid	but that means the rest of the world has to have some courage
[13:13]	psydruid	which seems to be hard to find these days
[13:14]	TR News	cnet is basically a spamfarm, but one need to browser _deeper_ in the site to see all the spamfarming. They buffer it or hide it.
[13:14]	TR News	cnet is basically a spamfarm, but one needs to browse _deeper_ in the site to see all the spamfarming. They buffer it or hide it.
[13:15]	schestowitz	we might need another backup irc mod tonight
[13:15]	schestowitz	when i'm afk
[13:15]	schestowitz	i suppose MinceR has been away, it's sunday
[13:16]	schestowitz	we have even worse trolling in 2009
[13:16]	schestowitz	and there are logs to prove that
[13:17]	TR News	Recapping Cool Days 2023: The Event that Rocked Cambridge! https://www.collaboraoffice.com/collabora-online/recapping-cool-days-2023/
[13:17]	TR Bot	 Recapping Cool Days 2023: The Event that Rocked Cambridge! - Collabora Office and Collabora Online
[13:18]	psydruid	"you don't need jobs, just buy (or steal) beer"
[13:19]	TR News	Assange silenced, arrested without charge now for how many years? https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/07/us-uk-seek-to-silence-julian-assange-and-free-press-australia-says-enough/
[13:19]	TR Bot	Seek to Silence Julian Assange and Free Press, Australia Says 'Enough' - CounterPunch.org
[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:20]	TR News	English-speaking 'Putins' https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/09/how-assassination-became-policy-at-the-cia
[13:20]	TR Bot	Assassination Became Policy at the CIA - CounterPunch.org
[13:20]	TR News	Australia is a typo. It's spelled UStralia.
[13:21]	TR News	And he is in prison.... WHY? https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/rashida-tlaib-julian-assange-letter/
[13:21]	TR Bot	 The Julian Assange Test Facing Every Member of the House | The Nation
[13:22]	TR News	The Case Against the Case Against Julian Assange https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-case-against-the-case-against-julian-assange/
[13:22]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-case-against-the-case-against-julian-assange/ )
[13:22]	TR News	This is on Biden, too https://www.truthdig.com/articles/us-lawmakers-implore-doj-to-drop-unprecedented-charges-against-julian-assange/
[13:22]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.truthdig.com/articles/us-lawmakers-implore-doj-to-drop-unprecedented-charges-against-julian-assange/ )
[13:24]	TR News	Neoliberal Capitalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/04/11/fascist-politics-in-the-age-of-neoliberal-capitalismconfronting-the-domestication-of-the-unimaginable/
[13:24]	TR Bot	Politics in the Age of Neoliberal Capitalism: Confronting the Domestication of the Unimaginable - CounterPunch.org
[13:25]	TR News	US media: Evil RUSHA arresting journalists. It should do it "with style" like the British arrested Assange, at the request of the US (a a third country).
[13:27]	TR News	EFF intervening overseas... not even solving the problem in its OWN country https://www.eff.org/press/releases/latam-media-briefing-proposed-un-cybercrime-treaty-lacks-sufficient-human-rights EFF operating at a clossal LOSS under Cohn. She failed the EFF. She failed Barlow. He left the org in bad hands.
[13:27]	TR Bot	 Latam Media Briefing: Proposed UN Cybercrime Treaty Lacks Sufficient Human Rights Safeguards, Exacerbating Threats to Privacy and Civil Liberties in Latam | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[13:28]	TR News	EFF: at least we don't whitewash nazis. Oh wait. http://techrights.org/2023/04/19/framing-privacy-as-sex-issue/
[13:28]	TR Bot	 EFF Takes Money From US Nazis to Speak for Prostitutes and Frame Privacy (or Net Liability) as a Sex Issue | Techrights
[13:29]	TR News	Nicrosoft's "HEY HI" SPAM/chaff is so dead that even bribed media partners (engadget et al) quit bothering. Meanwhile Bing continues falling to 0%.
[13:31]	TR News	Bing has MANY layoffs (media 'forgot' to report this) and is losing market share rapidly. Now Microsoft has some foolish 'journalists' report that Samsung "CONSIDERS" leaving Gulag. How much did Microsoft bribe/blackmail Samsung this time around? Also, did the journalists check it's not a PR stunt from Microsoft? No, they did not check. FOLLOW THE MONIES.
[13:32]	TR News	To appreciate the fact that engadget become almost a spam site (spamfarm, sponsored fake "content") check how many times a day they publish under "https://www.engadget.com/best-..." (it's not about best, it's pure marketing)
[13:32]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://www.engadget.com/best- )
[13:33]	TR News	Journalism on the Web will die due to a complete lack of credibility and authenticity. See Buzzfeed.
[13:34]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 22, 2023 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/23/irc-log-220423/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/23/irc-log-220423/
[13:34]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 22, 2023 | Techrights
[13:35]	schestowitz	psydruid: kickoff in 3 hours https://www.manutd.com/
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Official Manchester United Website
[13:37]	TR News	Partly greenwashed https://www.fairphone.com/en/2023/04/13/fairphone-is-the-first-company-to-pilot-fairmined-gold-credits/
[13:37]	TR Bot	is the first company to pilot Fairmined Gold credits - Fairphone
[13:37]	TR News	Trying to report facts in Iraq https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/04/08/20-years-after-deadly-attack-free-press-still-threatened-iraq
[13:37]	TR Bot	 20 Years After Deadly Attack, Free Press Still Threatened in Iraq | Human Rights Watch
[13:39]	TR News	Approximately 3.7m people in the UK are working low-paid and insecure jobs https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/approximately-37m-people-uk-are-working-low-paid-insecure-jobs-1715038
[13:39]	TR Bot	 Approximately 3.7m people in the UK are working low-paid and insecure jobs
[13:39]	TR News	Seems intuitive, same is true for mechanics https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ageing-process-cannot-reversed-may-slowed-down-claims-study-1715104
[13:39]	TR Bot	 Ageing process cannot be reversed but may be slowed down claims study
[13:42]	TR News	EU sausage factory has made a pig https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-parliaments-research-service-confirms-chat-control-violates-fundamental-rights/
[13:42]	TR Bot	 EU Parliaments Research Service confirms: Chat control violates fundamental rights Patrick Breyer
[13:43]	TR News	As Good Buck Would Have It https://www.sparkfun.com/news/6576
[13:44]	TR Bot	Good Buck Would Have It - News - SparkFun Electronics
[13:45]	TR News	containerjournal is dead, offloaded to GAFAM, not even journalism, not even remotely
[13:45]	t0talist	mjg59_: it is NOT rust which "deals with a whole bunch of things that are both good for security and also good for development ..."
[13:46]	t0talist	it is modern COMPILER features of either llvm or recent gcc (bounds checkers etc.)
[13:46]	t0talist	so the features to improve security are NOT rust-specific
[13:47]	TR News	Still burning this planet while exchanges collapse, leaving people with "ZERO!" rather then "less money" https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/psychological-magnet-bitcoin-rallies-past-us30-000-mark-20230412-p5czpv.html
[13:47]	TR Bot	 Bitcoin rallies past $US30,000 mark for the first time since June
[13:47]	t0talist	and otherwise, the syntax of rust is awful, and the available compilers are a giant mountain of junk
[13:47]	XRevan86	schestowitz: Now ye know why Libera has limitations on  Tor.
[13:48]	psydruid	schestowitz, lots of big games throughout the day
[13:48]	psydruid	here we have PSV-Ajax
[13:48]	XRevan86	Also when I scrolling through the madness I noticed multiple attempts to accuse mjg59_, phanes and immibis of being the troll. I found it funny because the most likely person to do something like this is morena.
[13:48]	t0talist	there is no reason to defend rust-lang in any way, and the compilers deserve criticism alike
[13:49]	t0talist	neither rust nor c++ belong into kernel; not as a transitive dependency either (compiler versions required written in c++)
[13:49]	t0talist	such does not belong into kernel, never ever
[13:49]	t0talist	i am surprised, torvalds didn't freak out over this
[13:50]	t0talist	since when someone locked into >gcc-4.7 recently, with useless C11 features
[13:50]	t0talist	it's that bad, i am working to roll-back to linux-2.4, with tcc-toolchain
[13:51]	t0talist	bootstrappable.org are working on fiwix kernel, besides
[13:51]	schestowitz	XRevan86: no, morono is too dumb to execute this
[13:51]	t0talist	because, *BSD and Linux-kernel alike, are affected by this problem
[13:51]	psydruid	"attempts to accuse"
[13:51]	XRevan86	schestowitz: It's not complicated, and he's the most 4chan-like person here.
[13:52]	psydruid	if you can't see or don't want to admit that they're up to no good, then I don't know what to say
[13:53]	psydruid	morena makes enough mistakes in english to easily be found out
[13:54]	schestowitz	yes
[13:54]	schestowitz	i also saw more context than you did, XRevan86 
[13:54]	schestowitz	but anyway, we are back on topic
[13:54]	XRevan86	Hm, fair enough, and it's unlikely that he known about pissnet.
[13:58]	TR News	The Empty Promise of Good Intentions https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2023/04/books-briefing-eleanor-catton-jonathan-franzen/673715/
[13:58]	TR Bot	 The Books Briefing: Eleanor Catton, Jonathan Franzen - The Atlantic
[13:59]	TR News	Public Apology https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/04/australia-apology-indigenous-peoples-kevin-rudd/673640/
[13:59]	TR Bot	 What Australias Apology to Aboriginal Communities Can Teach the U.S. - The Atlantic
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[14:01]	TR News	"thelocal" (all versions) have been twisted into SEO, clickbait, and sponsored spam. NOT GOOD OPTICS.
[14:02]	TR News	With the banks, prosecution is never even considered an option. Amid scandals, departures with golden parachute. https://www.thelocal.se/20230411/swedish-pension-fund-fires-top-boss-over-multimillion-us-bank-losses
[14:02]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.thelocal.se/20230411/swedish-pension-fund-fires-top-boss-over-multimillion-us-bank-losses )
[14:03]	TR News	Extinctions https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-bright-side-of-extinction/
[14:03]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-bright-side-of-extinction/ )
[14:04]	TR News	Upon the surface https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-strange-case-of-jack-teixeira/
[14:04]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-strange-case-of-jack-teixeira/ )
[14:06]	TR News	trademark insanity usnews.com/news/us/articles/2023-04-14/aaron-judge-union-win-dispute-over-all-rise-trademark
[14:11]	TR News	Dakota J aka Tomat0 on Building Better Future in the Fediverse http://techrights.org/2023/04/21/tomat0-on-fediverse/
[14:11]	TR Bot	 Dakota J aka Tomat0 on Building Better Future in the Fediverse | Techrights
[14:12]	TR News	Desktops and Laptops in India: 10% for GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2023/04/21/desktop-operating-system-market-share-in-india-april-2023/
[14:12]	TR Bot	 Desktops and Laptops in India: 10% for GNU/Linux | Techrights
[14:12]	TR News	Upcoming Series: How Sirius Attacked Itself (and Its Own Staff) http://techrights.org/2023/04/21/sirius-attacked-itself/
[14:12]	TR Bot	 Upcoming Series: How Sirius Attacked Itself (and Its Own Staff) | Techrights
[14:12]	TR News	Sirius Open Source Declines to Comment on Fraud at Sirius Open Source http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/fraudsters-declining-to-comment/
[14:12]	TR Bot	 Sirius Open Source Declines to Comment on Fraud at Sirius Open Source | Techrights
[14:13]	TR News	LibrePlanet Presentation on Trisquel GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/trisquel-gnu-linux/
[14:13]	TR Bot	 LibrePlanet Presentation on Trisquel GNU/Linux | Techrights
[14:13]	TR News	Holding Criminals Accountable Part I Sirius Crimes Reported to British Authorities, Formally Registered With References (Many Victims), Heres What It Means and What Happens Next http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/sirius-reported-to-police/
[14:13]	TR Bot	 Holding Criminals Accountable Part I Sirius Crimes Reported to British Authorities, Formally Registered With References (Many Victims), Heres What It Means and What Happens Next | Techrights
[14:13]	TR News	LibrePlanet Talk About Getting Paid to Develop Free Software (and Whether That Should be Done) http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/paid-to-develop-freesw/
[14:13]	TR Bot	 LibrePlanet Talk About Getting Paid to Develop Free Software (and Whether That Should be Done) | Techrights
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[14:14]	TR News	Erin Rose Glass: LibrePlanet 2023 Keynote Talk on Education and the Future of Software Freedom http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/erin-rose-glass-libreplanet-keynote/
[14:14]	TR Bot	 Erin Rose Glass: LibrePlanet 2023 Keynote Talk on Education and the Future of Software Freedom | Techrights
[14:14]	TR News	In Taiwan, Windows Shedding Off Share, GNU/Linux Gaining http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/taiwan-gnu-linux-gains/
[14:14]	TR Bot	 In Taiwan, Windows Shedding Off Share, GNU/Linux Gaining | Techrights
[14:14]	TR News	 (NEW): QEMU 8.0.0 Released with New Features and Improvements for Multiple Architectures http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/QEMU_8_0_0_Released_with_New_Features_and_Improvements_for_Mult.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/QEMU_8_0_0_Released_with_New_Features_and_Improvements_for_Mult.gmi 
[14:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines QEMU 8.0.0 Released with New Features and Improvements for Multiple Architectures
[14:15]	TR News	Sebastian Marchano on GNU Taler http://techrights.org/2023/04/22/sebastian-marchano-on-gnu-taler/
[14:15]	TR Bot	 Sebastian Marchano on GNU Taler | Techrights
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[14:18]	TR News	"An Ex-Meta employee revealed that she got a layoff email at 4 am which said that the same day was her last day of work. Meta fired 10,000 people recently after announcing its decision to lay off 11,000 people in January." https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/meta-employee-receives-abrupt-layoff-notice-at-4-am-told-it-is-her-last-day-of-work-2363674-2023-04-23
[14:18]	TR Bot	 Meta employee receives abrupt layoff notice at 4 am, told it is her last day of work - India Today
[14:18]	TR News	Man explains why the concept of 'career' doesn't exist anymore and it's a reflection of our times https://scoop.upworthy.com/man-explains-why-the-concept-of-career-doesnt-exist-anymore
[14:18]	TR Bot	 Man explains why the concept of 'career' doesn't exist anymore
[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:21]	TR News	https://boilingsteam.com/feed/ Sat, 22 Apr 2023 08:04:16 +0000 Steam Deck Will be Sold in Physical Stores in Japan Next Week, and We Will Cover the Launch Event
[14:23]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[14:23]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[14:23]	TR News	Crimes of Sirius Open Source Reported to the Police https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/04/22/crimes-of-sirius-open-source-2023/
[14:23]	TR Bot	timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/04/22/crimes-of-sirius-open-source-2023/ )
[14:23]	TR News	Reporting Crime at Sirius Open Source https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/04/22/reporting-crime-at-sirius-open-source/
[14:24]	TR Bot	timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2023/04/22/reporting-crime-at-sirius-open-source/ )
[14:24]	TR News	Pro-Russian hackers have attacked Europe's air-traffic agency https://qz.com/russian-hackers-eurocontrol-air-traffic-1850361364
[14:24]	TR Bot	 Pro-Russian hackers' attacked Europe's air traffic agency
[14:25]	TR News	How to Change Hostname in Linux | Temporary And Permanent https://draculaservers.com/tutorials/change-hostname-in-linux/
[14:25]	TR Bot	 How to Change Hostname in Linux | Temporary And Permanent - Dracula Servers Tutorials
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[14:26]	TR News	Companies that make fertilizers can also make explosives (almost the same process) https://eng.lsm.lv/article/politics/diplomacy/23.04.2023-seized-russian-fertilizers-sent-to-kenya-from-latvia.a505963/
[14:26]	TR Bot	 Seized Russian fertilizers sent to Kenya from Latvia / Article
[14:32]	TR News	R for Everyone: Analytical Superpowers in under 10 Minutes! https://www.r-bloggers.com/2023/04/r-for-everyone-analytical-superpowers-in-under-10-minutes/
[14:32]	TR Bot	for Everyone: Analytical Superpowers in under 10 Minutes! | R-bloggers
[14:34]	TR News	Scientists Use Electricity to Make Wounds Heal 3x Faster https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-use-electricity-to-make-wounds-heal-3x-faster
[14:34]	TR Bot	Use Electricity to Make Wounds Heal 3x Faster : ScienceAlert
[14:36]	TR News	North Korean 3CX Hackers Also Hit Critical Infrastructure Orgs: Symantec https://www.securityweek.com/symantec-north-korean-3cx-hackers-also-hit-critical-infrastructure-orgs/
[14:36]	TR Bot	Korean 3CX Hackers Also Hit Critical Infrastructure Orgs: Symantec - SecurityWeek
[14:43]		*XRevan86 looks at techpol
[14:43]	XRevan86	I'll leave that one at least.
[14:44]	TR News	"Online culture sure feels like its in a transition phase, doesnt it? In an attempt to understand what we learned this week, lets compare it to some prior internet-era shifts." https://tedium.co/2023/04/22/internet-culture-turning-points-history/
[14:44]	TR Bot	 Internet Culture Turning Points: What We Can Learn from the Past
[14:45]	TR News	https://linuxhint.com/feed/ Sat, 22 Apr 2023 03:59:37 +0000 What is b String in Python?
[14:47]	TR News	Irmin: A Distributed Database and Version Control System for OCaml https://medevel.com/irmin/
[14:47]	TR Bot	 Irmin: A Distributed Database and Version Control System for OCaml
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[14:48]	TR News	ConvertO: An Open-source PDF Tool for Android Systems https://medevel.com/pdf-converto-android/
[14:48]	TR Bot	 ConvertO: An Open-source PDF Tool for Android Systems
[14:48]	XRevan86	There we go, and don't remind me of that wretched place.
[14:50]	schestowitz	XRevan86: there was more than one troublemaker there
[14:50]	schestowitz	remember who started it
[14:50]	schestowitz	after doing the same here in techrights
[14:50]	XRevan86	Eh, morena is much, much worse.
[14:52]	TR News	The Disappearing Of Julian Assange https://neritam.wordpress.com/2023/04/22/the-disappearing-of-julian-assange/
[14:52]	TR Bot	 The Disappearing Of Julian Assange neritam
[14:53]	TR News	Dub Is a Self-hosted Free URL Shortener and Bitly Alternative https://medevel.com/dub/
[14:53]	TR Bot	 Dub Is a Self-hosted Free URL Shortener and Bitly Alternative
[14:53]	TR News	CueKeeper: A Browser-based Get-Things-Done (GTD) Tasks Manager https://medevel.com/cuekeeper/
[14:53]	TR Bot	 CueKeeper: A Browser-based Get-Things-Done (GTD) Tasks Manager
[14:53]	TR News	Realms Wiki is A Git-based Wiki for Developers and Teams https://medevel.com/realms-wiki/
[14:53]	TR Bot	 Realms Wiki is A Git-based Wiki for Developers and Teams
[14:54]	TR News	Over 55,000 Websites Blocked Since January 2015, Most to Protect Indian State https://neritam.wordpress.com/2023/04/22/over-55000-websites-blocked-since-january-2015-most-to-protect-indian-state/
[14:54]	TR Bot	 Over 55,000 Websites Blocked Since January 2015, Most to Protect Indian State neritam
[14:54]	TR News	Kutt.it is an Open-source Self-hosted URL Shortener https://medevel.com/kutt-it/
[14:54]	TR Bot	 Kutt.it is an Open-source Self-hosted URL Shortener
[14:54]	TR News	Knowfox Is Your Free Personal Knowledge Manager https://medevel.com/knowfox/
[14:54]	TR Bot	 Knowfox Is Your Free Personal Knowledge Manager
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[14:55]	TR News	How to check memory usage on Ubuntu 22.04 https://net2.com/how-to-check-memory-usage-on-ubuntu-22-04/
[14:55]	TR Bot	 How to check memory usage on Ubuntu 22.04
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[14:56]	TR News	Advanced Caching with Redis https://nextgentips.com/2023/04/22/advanced-caching-with-redis/
[14:56]	TR Bot	Caching with Redis NextGenTips
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[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[14:59]	TR News	Review the ELECFREAKS Wukong2040: Raspberry Pi Pico Expansion Board https://peppe8o.com/elecfreaks-wukong2040-raspberry-pi-pico-expansion-board/
[14:59]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://peppe8o.com/elecfreaks-wukong2040-raspberry-pi-pico-expansion-board/ )
● Apr 23
[15:01]	TR News	Site Announcement: recent DDoS attacks https://off-guardian.org/2023/04/22/site-announcement-recent-ddos-attacks/
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Site Announcement: recent DDoS attacks OffGuardian
[15:01]	TR News	Bed Bath & Beyond files for bankruptcy protection after long struggle https://nypost.com/2023/04/23/bed-bath-beyond-files-for-bankruptcy-protection-after-long-struggle/
[15:01]	TR Bot	 Bed Bath & Beyond files for bankruptcy protection after long struggle
[15:03]	TR News	Plugging GNU/Linux to Microsoft's PROPRIETARY SPYWARE is uncool https://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Speech_to_text__she_APTly_whispered__how_hard_can_it_be_.html
[15:03]	TR Bot	 Petter Reinholdtsen: Speech to text, she APTly whispered, how hard can it be?
[15:05]	TR News	What if this colleague is inherently rogue? Then what? https://reason.com/volokh/2023/04/22/the-stealth-impeachment-of-judge-newman-in-the-federal-circuit/
[15:05]	TR Bot	 The Stealth Impeachment of Judge Newman in the Federal Circuit
[15:06]	TR News	siliconangle paid to spew out spam for 'Linux' Foundation (proprietary companies) this week
[15:06]	XRevan86	https://libreboot.org/news/libreboot20230423.html
[15:06]	TR Bot	 Libreboot Libreboot 20230423 released!
[15:06]	schestowitz	cheers
[15:09]	TR News	"There is a new application available for Sparkers: Lite XL What is Lite XL? A lightweight text editor written in Lua, derived from Lite." https://sparkylinux.org/lite-xl/
[15:09]	TR Bot	 Lite XL SparkyLinux
[15:09]	TR News	Graduate workers union requests voluntary recognition from Stanford https://stanforddaily.com/2023/04/21/graduate-workers-union-requests-voluntary-recognition-from-stanford/
[15:09]	TR Bot	 Graduate union requests voluntary recognition from Stanford
[15:10]	TR News	A Beginners Guide to Bash Built-In Commands https://tecadmin.net/bash-built-in-commands/
[15:10]	TR Bot	 A Beginner's Guide to Bash Built-In Commands TecAdmin
[15:11]	TR News	A Comprehensive Guide to Using Arguments and Flags in Bash https://tecadmin.net/using-arguments-and-flags-in-bash/
[15:11]	TR Bot	 A Comprehensive Guide to Using Arguments and Flags in Bash
[15:13]	TR News	Mastering Arithmetic & Comparison Operators in Bash: A Comprehensive Guide https://tecadmin.net/arithmetic-comparison-operators-in-bash/
[15:13]	TR Bot	 Mastering Arithmetic & Comparison Operators in Bash TecAdmin
[15:13]	TR News	What Is the Differences Between [[, [, (, and (( Bash Operators https://tecadmin.net/differences-between-parentheses-brackets-in-bash/
[15:13]	TR Bot	 What Is the Differences Between [[, [, (, and (( Bash Operators
[15:13]	TR News	 (NEW): Libreboot 20230423 released! http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Libreboot_20230423_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Libreboot_20230423_released.gmi 
[15:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Libreboot 20230423 released!
[15:15]	TR News	Mastering the Ping Command: A Comprehensive Guide to Network Troubleshooting https://tecadmin.net/ping-command/
[15:15]	TR Bot	 Mastering the Ping Command: A Comprehensive Guide to Network Troubleshooting TecAdmin
[15:15]	TR News	Check Network Connectivity using Ping Command in Shell Scripts https://tecadmin.net/check-network-connectivity-using-ping-in-shell-scripts/
[15:15]	TR Bot	 Check Network Connectivity using Ping Command in Shell Scripts
[15:16]	TR News	How to Put a GUI on Ansible, Using Semaphore https://thenewstack.io/how-to-put-a-gui-on-ansible-using-semaphore/
[15:16]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://thenewstack.io/how-to-put-a-gui-on-ansible-using-semaphore/ )
[15:16]	TR News	Double Parentheses (()) in Bash: An In-Depth Guide to Arithmetic Expressions https://tecadmin.net/double-parentheses-in-bash/
[15:16]	TR Bot	 Double Parentheses ((...)) in Bash: An In-Depth Guide to Arithmetic Expressions TecAdmin
[15:17]	TR News	Resolved Temporary Failure in Name Resolution Error in Linux https://tecadmin.net/resolved-temporary-failure-in-name-resolution-error-in-linux/
[15:17]	TR Bot	 Resolved "Temporary Failure in Name Resolution" Error in Linux TecAdmin
[15:17]	TR News	Seamlessly Switching Between Zsh and Bash on macOS: A Comprehensive Guide https://tecadmin.net/switching-between-zsh-and-bash-on-macos/
[15:17]	TR Bot	 Seamlessly Switching Between Zsh and Bash on macOS TecAdmin
[15:18]	TR News	How to Check the Ubuntu Version Using GUI and CLI Tools https://trendoceans.com/how-to-check-the-ubuntu-version-using-gui-and-cli/
[15:18]	TR Bot	 How to Check the Ubuntu Version Using GUI and CLI Tools - TREND OCEANS
[15:18]	TR News	Using the -le Operator in Bash: A Comprehensive Guide https://tecadmin.net/bash-less-than-or-eqal-operator/
[15:18]	TR Bot	 Using the '-le' Operator in Bash: A Comprehensive Guide TecAdmin
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:20]	TR News	Manjaro 22.1 Talos is Now Available to Download https://www.omglinux.com/manjaro-22-1-released/
[15:20]	TR Bot	 Manjaro 22.1 'Talos' is Now Available to Download - OMG! Linux
[15:21]	TR News	In a Rush? Try this Speed Reading App for Linux https://www.omglinux.com/speed-reading-app-for-linux/
[15:21]	TR Bot	 In a Rush? Try this Speed Reading App for Linux - OMG! Linux
[15:22]	TR News	Flathub Website Gets a Brand New Look https://www.omglinux.com/flathub-website-just-got-a-major-redesign/
[15:22]	TR Bot	 Flathub Website Gets a Brand New Look - OMG! Linux
[15:27]	TR News	Jon Chiappetta: OpenWRT Switching To Distributed Switch Architecture https://fossjon.wordpress.com/2023/04/22/openwrt-switching-to-distributed-switch-architecture/
[15:27]	TR Bot	 OpenWRT Switching To Distributed Switch Architecture Jon's FOSS Blog
[15:30]	MinceR	lol @ immibis tantrum
[15:31]	TR News	Bare Metal Vi, boot into Vi without an OS! https://raymii.org/s/blog/Bare_Metal_Boot_to_Vi.html
[15:31]	TR Bot	Metal Vi, boot into Vi without an OS! - Raymii.org
[15:31]	TR News	Whats new in Node.js 20? https://www.cloudbooklet.com/whats-new-in-node-js-20/
[15:31]	TR Bot	 What's new in Node.js 20?
[15:32]	TR News	Diagnosing and repairing a Brother fax/printer USB failure https://www.downtowndougbrown.com/2023/04/diagnosing-and-repairing-a-brother-fax-printer-usb-failure/
[15:32]	TR Bot	 Downtown Doug Brown Diagnosing and repairing a Brother fax/printer USB failure
[15:34]	TR News	Surveillance on you... via your 'wallet' https://hongkongfp.com/2023/04/23/how-chinas-alipay-and-wechat-pay-became-the-most-popular-e-payment-apps-in-hong-kong/
[15:34]	TR Bot	 How China's Alipay and WeChat Pay became the most popular e-payment apps in Hong Kong - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP
[15:35]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/theodicy-3
[15:35]	TR Bot	 Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Theodicy
[15:36]	TR News	YARA v4.3.1 Release, (Sat, Apr 22nd) https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/29766
[15:36]	TR Bot	 InfoSec Handlers Diary Blog - SANS Internet Storm Center
[15:41]	TR News	Sacklers bribed https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/23/health/sacklers-opioids-national-academies-science.html
[15:41]	TR Bot	 Sacklers Gave Millions to Institution That Advises on Opioid Policy - The New York Times
[15:43]	TR News	Bed Bath & Beyond Files for Bankruptcy https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/23/business/bed-bath-beyond-bankruptcy.html
[15:43]	TR Bot	 Bed Bath & Beyond Files for Bankruptcy - The New York Times
[15:45]	TR News	Covid-19 alive and well, still spreading and killing/maiming https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/johoreans-urged-to-wear-masks-as-more-cases-reported-amid-hari-raya-celebrations
[15:46]	TR Bot	 Johoreans urged to wear masks during Hari Raya celebrations amid rise in Covid-19 cases | The Straits Times
[15:58]	TR News	Citing rights to privacy, customers sue Australian telecoms giant Optus over major data breach https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/04/citing-rights-to-privacy-customers-sue-australian-telecoms-giant-optus-over-major-data-breach/
[15:58]	TR Bot	 Citing rights to privacy, customers sue Australian telecoms giant Optus over major data breach - JURIST - News
● Apr 23
[16:02]	TR News	How to Install Kodi on Fedora 38/37/36 Linux https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-kodi-on-fedora-linux/
[16:02]	TR Bot	to Install Kodi on Fedora 38/37/36 Linux - LinuxCapable
[16:02]	TR News	How to Install Exaile on Fedora 38/37/36 Linux https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-exaile-on-fedora-linux/
[16:02]	TR Bot	to Install Exaile on Fedora 38/37/36 Linux - LinuxCapable
[16:02]	TR News	How to Install Strawberry on Fedora 38/37/36 Linux https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-strawberry-on-fedora-linux/
[16:02]	TR Bot	to Install Strawberry on Fedora 38/37/36 Linux - LinuxCapable
[16:02]	TR News	How to Install SeaMonkey on Fedora 38/37/36 Linux https://www.linuxcapable.com/how-to-install-seamonkey-on-fedora-linux/
[16:02]	TR Bot	to Install SeaMonkey on Fedora 38/37/36 Linux - LinuxCapable
[16:04]	schestowitz	https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1968370/vilnius-inaugurates-japanese-garden
[16:04]	TR Bot	 Vilnius inaugurates Japanese Garden - LRT
[16:04]	schestowitz	MinceR: maybe a place to walk your fox-like akita
[16:05]	MinceR	no akitas for me, thank you very much
[16:05]	schestowitz	you have a fox as PM
[16:08]	TR News	KOL410 | Corrupt Money and Centralization of The State | The Stephan Kinsella Series | Episode 6 (WiM303) with Robert Breedlove, of the What is Money Show https://www.stephankinsella.com/paf-podcast/kol410-corrupt-money-and-centralization-of-the-state-wim303-breedlove/
[16:08]	TR Bot	 KOL410 | Corrupt Money and Centralization of The State | The Stephan Kinsella Series | Episode 6 (WiM303) with Robert Breedlove, of the What is Money Show
[16:08]	TR News	South Korea proposes Bill to protect victims of rental fraud https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-korea-proposes-bill-to-protect-victims-of-rental-fraud
[16:08]	TR Bot	 South Korea proposes Bill to protect victims of rental fraud | The Straits Times
[16:11]	TR News	Woman in Taiwan pours boiling soup on anothers face during fight over $870 debt https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/taiwan-woman-pours-boiling-soup-on-another-s-face-during-fight-over-870-debt
[16:11]	TR Bot	 Woman in Taiwan pours boiling soup on anothers face during fight over $870 debt | The Straits Times
[16:12]	TR News	Gulag pushes DRM (yes, THAT DRM) into Linux https://www.phoronix.com/news/Google-HDCP-Content-Connect
[16:12]	TR Bot	Continues Working On More Linux HDCP Bits - Phoronix
[16:18]	TR News	Lithuania: Students stop university from using only proprietary authentication https://fsfe.org/news/2023/news-20230418-01.en.html
[16:18]	TR Bot	 Lithuania: Students stop university from using only proprietary authentication - FSFE
[16:19]	TR News	SFP#20: All about Device Neutrality with Lucas Lasota https://fsfe.org/news/podcast/episode-20.en.html
[16:19]	TR Bot	 SFP#20: All about Device Neutrality with Lucas Lasota - FSFE
[16:19]	TR News	 (NEW): mesa 23.0.3 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/mesa_23_0_3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/mesa_23_0_3.gmi 
[16:19]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines mesa 23.0.3
[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[16:25]	TR News	 (NEW): Flathub Website Gets a Brand New Look http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Flathub_Website_Gets_a_Brand_New_Look.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Flathub_Website_Gets_a_Brand_New_Look.gmi 
[16:25]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Flathub Website Gets a Brand New Look
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[16:25]	TR News	 (NEW): In a Rush? Try this Speed Reading App for Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/In_a_Rush_Try_this_Speed_Reading_App_for_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/In_a_Rush_Try_this_Speed_Reading_App_for_Linux.gmi 
[16:25]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines In a Rush? Try this Speed Reading App for Linux
[16:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[16:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[16:26]	TR News	 (NEW): FSFE Unpaid Underage Labour ('Youth Hacking 4 Freedom') and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/FSFE_Unpaid_Underage_Labour_Youth_Hacking_4_Freedom_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/FSFE_Unpaid_Underage_Labour_Youth_Hacking_4_Freedom_and_More.gmi 
[16:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines FSFE Unpaid Underage Labour ('Youth Hacking 4 Freedom') and More
[16:26]	TR News	 (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Security_Leftovers.gmi 
[16:26]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Security Leftovers
[16:27]	TR News	 (NEW): Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Weekly_GNU_like_Mobile_Linux_Update_and_More.gmi 
[16:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Weekly GNU-like Mobile Linux Update and More
[16:28]	TR News	Kiwi TCMS: Kiwi TCMS 12.2 https://kiwitcms.org/blog/kiwi-tcms-team/2023/04/23/kiwi-tcms-122/
[16:28]	TR Bot	 Kiwi TCMS - Kiwi TCMS 12.2
[16:32]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/23041344
[16:32]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
[16:34]	schestowitz	psydruid: https://www.manutd.com/en/matches/matchcenter?matchId=2359508
[16:34]	TR Bot	 Brighton and Hove Albion vs TBC - English FA Cup 22 April 2023 | Manchester United | Manchester United
[16:36]	TR News	"A teacher once put two of us to the board; the task was to assign the months to the seasons" gemini://thrig.me/blog/2023/04/23/seasonality.gmi
[16:38]	TR News	Up and down gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/nm03/2023/APR2023/entry_4 "A few days ago I watched -From Noob To Power User With Manjaro KDE- [1] and I followed the video and installed it myself."
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[16:49]	TR News	The way to 'cancel' (silence) powerful/poplar people who don't obey the will of the "other" powerful keeps evolving. It used to be antisemitism and connections to pedos like Jeffrey Epstein. Nowadays you just throw questions at them about athletes, pronouns etc. to call them transphobic and... more recently, it would appear that new methods emerge. When did we last see a musician criticising the copyright cartel? Taylor came close.
[16:50]	TR News	Never criticise the copyright cartel for professional survival. The ticketing corporations (monopoly/ies)? Maybe. But not the cartel.
[16:52]	TR News	The music cartel is a lot bigger than ticketmaster. The cartel could throw ticketmaster under the bus and replace it. Same for the so-called 'industry' of films. Same is true for military companies, which are even more aggressive and resort to assassinations, not just character assassinations.
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[17:10]	TR News	Links 23/04/2023: Libreboot 20230423, Arianna 1.0.1, and PeaZip 9.2.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2023/04/23/peazip-9-2-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2023/04/23/peazip-9-2-0/
[17:10]	TR Bot	 Links 23/04/2023: Libreboot 20230423, Arianna 1.0.1, and PeaZip 9.2.0 | Techrights
[17:13]	MinceR	(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcHdF1eHhgc
[17:13]	TR Bot	https://yt.artemislena.eu/watch?v=NcHdF1eHhgc
[17:13]	TR Bot	yt.artemislena.eu | Birth - Monty Python's The Meaning of Life - Invidious
[17:14]	TR News	 (NEW): Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.gmi 
[17:14]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers
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[17:15]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
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[17:15]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi 
[17:15]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's leftovers
[17:18]	TR News	"Looking for a Christmas present for the family I thought a 3D printer might fit the bill." gemini://clanmorgan.org/gemlog/2023-04-23-3d-printing-with-prusa.gmi
[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[17:21]	TR News	Americas Inflation Villain Gets a Makeover https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/21/business/economy/arthur-burns-inflation-paul-volcker.html
[17:21]	TR Bot	 Americas Inflation Villain Gets a Makeover - The New York Times
[17:21]	TR News	Why SoFi Is Suing to End the Student Loan Payment Pause https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/22/your-money/sofi-student-loans-lawsuit.html
[17:21]	TR Bot	 Why SoFi Is Suing to End the Student Loan Payment Pause - The New York Times
[17:22]	TR News	Cellphones? We don't have them here. Also, there's this thing called "mobile" https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/22/world/europe/uk-emergency-alert-system.html
[17:22]	TR Bot	 Cellphones Across Britain Will Blast a Loud Siren-like Alert This Weekend - The New York Times
[17:23]	TR News	Chinese Censorship Is Quietly Rewriting the Covid-19 Story https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/23/world/europe/chinese-censorship-covid.html
[17:23]	TR Bot	 Chinese Censorship Is Quietly Rewriting the Covid-19 Story - The New York Times
[17:24]	TR News	Russian Stockmann sells fake "Finnish" brands https://yle.fi/a/74-20028446
[17:24]	TR Bot	 Russian Stockmann sells fake "Finnish" brands | News | Yle Uutiset
[17:26]	TR News	With the Fox-Dominion Settlement Were Still at the Mercy of a Billionaire Dynasty https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/political-scene/with-the-fox-dominion-settlement-were-still-at-the-mercy-of-a-billionaire-dynasty
[17:26]	TR Bot	 With the Fox-Dominion Settlement Were Still at the Mercy of a Billionaire Dynasty | The New Yorker
[17:29]	TR News	Why we love voice notes https://www.axios.com/2023/04/23/voice-memo-whatsapp-imessage-hinge-slack
[17:29]	TR Bot	 Voice messages: Sharing audio recordings becoming more popular
[17:29]	TR News	Bed Bath & Beyond files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, will liquidate https://www.axios.com/2023/04/23/bed-bath-beyond-bankruptcy-chapter-11-liquidation
[17:29]	TR Bot	 Bed Bath & Beyond files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, will liquidate
[17:30]	lord_bagira	wow bed bath and beyond tanked
[17:30]	lord_bagira	ill never forget the one time i went in there and asked if they sell box springs for sleeping mattresses and the sales rep didn't know they are
[17:31]	lord_bagira	*didn't know what they are
[17:31]	TR News	Makeblock Ultimate 2.0 review A multi-function 10-in-1 educational robot kit https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/04/23/makeblock-ultimate-2-0-review-a-multi-function-10-in-1-educational-robot-kit/
[17:31]	TR Bot	 Makeblock Ultimate 2.0 review - A multi-function 10-in-1 educational robot kit - CNX Software
[17:32]	TR News	This basketball sculpture sinks shots for socialites https://blog.arduino.cc/2023/04/22/this-basketball-sculpture-sinks-shots-for-socialites/
[17:32]	TR Bot	 This basketball sculpture sinks shots for socialites | Arduino Blog
[17:36]	TR News	Norwegian translation support added to EasyOS https://bkhome.org/news/202304/norwegian-translation-support-added-to-easyos.html
[17:36]	TR Bot	 Norwegian translation support added to EasyOS
[17:38]	TR News	India must focus on structural reforms to further boost electronics exports: Experts https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/india-must-focus-on-structural-reforms-to-further-boost-electronics-exports-experts
[17:38]	TR Bot	 India must focus on structural reforms to further boost electronics exports: Experts | The Straits Times
[17:38]	TR News	China world leader in 37 out of 44 critical technologies, Finland out of chart https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/themes/themes/science-and-technology/23435-china-world-leader-in-37-out-of-44-critical-technologies-finland-out-of-chart.html
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[17:40]	TR News	10 Things to Do After Installing Ubuntu 23.04 [With Bonus Tip] https://www.debugpoint.com/things-to-do-ubuntu-23-04/
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[17:40]	TR News	Ubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster: Best New Features https://www.debugpoint.com/ubuntu-23-04-features/
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[17:41]		liberty_box_ libertybox libertybox_ libertybox__ lord_bagira lordbagira 
[17:41]	schestowitz	lord_bagira: ymbnh
[17:42]	lord_bagira	schestowitz, im still confused about what she sleeps on
[17:43]	schestowitz	maybe new on the job
[17:43]	schestowitz	maybe nepotism
[17:43]	schestowitz	people who made the beds used to sell them
[17:43]	schestowitz	then the corporations took over
[17:43]	lord_bagira	just needed a little training i think
[17:43]	schestowitz	with "department"
[17:43]	schestowitz	the left hand does not know what the right does
[17:43]	lord_bagira	im sure it does, she looked quite skilled
[17:44]	TR News	Skywatch: Honey, I shrunk the universe https://www.twincities.com/2023/04/23/skywatch-honey-i-shrunk-the-universe/
[17:44]	TR Bot	 Skywatch: Honey, I shrunk the universe Twin Cities
[17:44]	schestowitz	if she did the trade, she'd know
[17:44]	schestowitz	trade= building
[17:44]	schestowitz	or assembly
[17:45]	schestowitz	if you get a blank stare at the till
[17:45]	schestowitz	when you ask about the product
[17:45]	schestowitz	maybe you're at the wrong shop
[17:45]	schestowitz	de-skilling is not due to "workee shortage"
[17:45]	schestowitz	it's about business owners
[17:45]	schestowitz	they want cheap labour
[17:45]	schestowitz	replacing veterans with "cheap" newbs works for them
[17:45]	schestowitz	no rights
[17:45]	schestowitz	low salary
[17:46]	schestowitz	no assertive workkforce
[17:46]	schestowitz	just following orders
[17:46]	schestowitz	and easily disposable
[17:47]	schestowitz	people who sell computers need not know programming
[17:47]	schestowitz	but components at least
[17:47]	schestowitz	ports, standards..
[17:52]	TR News	SSDs in Laptops and Desktops Cost Too Damn Much https://www.tomshardware.com/opinion/ssds-in-laptops-and-desktops-cost-too-damn-much
[17:52]	TR Bot	 SSDs in Laptops and Desktops Cost Too Damn Much | Tom's Hardware
[17:52]	TR News	Sudan: A Bloody Turn in Africa's Story of Hope https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-bloody-turn-in-africa-s-story-of-hope-in-sudan-a-57c7233d-1250-46e5-b22d-6d5d3b7d7b44
[17:52]	TR Bot	 Sudan: A Bloody Turn in Africa's Story of Hope - DER SPIEGEL
[17:53]	TR News	Russian Fertilizer Seized In Latvia Sent To Kenya By UN Agency https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-latvia-fertilizer-kenya/32374793.html
[17:53]	TR Bot	 Russian Fertilizer Seized In Latvia Sent To Kenya By UN Agency
[17:59]	TR News	Autocorrecting my Git Commands https://www.olafalders.com/2023/04/23/autocorrecting-my-git-commands/
[17:59]	TR Bot	my Git Commands - olafalders.com
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[18:00]	TR News	 (NEW): Shotwell 0.32.0 Image Viewer Adds Support for JPEG-XL, AVIF, and WebP Images http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Shotwell_0_32_0_Image_Viewer_Adds_Support_for_JPEG_XL_AVIF_and_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/Shotwell_0_32_0_Image_Viewer_Adds_Support_for_JPEG_XL_AVIF_and_.gmi 
[18:00]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Shotwell 0.32.0 Image Viewer Adds Support for JPEG-XL, AVIF, and WebP Images
[18:04]	TR News	Inflation data to set the scene for next cash rate call https://michaelwest.com.au/inflation-data-to-set-the-scene-for-next-cash-rate-call/
[18:04]	TR Bot	 Inflation data to set the scene for next cash rate call - Michael West
[18:04]	TR News	Citizenship pledge sparks fears of NZ brain drain https://michaelwest.com.au/citizenship-pledge-sparks-fears-of-nz-brain-drain/
[18:04]	TR Bot	 Citizenship pledge sparks fears of NZ brain drain - Michael West
[18:06]	TR News	"Don't be evil" https://michaelwest.com.au/alphabet-ceo-earns-more-than-220m-despite-cost-cutting/
[18:06]	TR Bot	 Alphabet CEO earns more than $220m despite cost-cutting - Michael West
[18:08]	TR News	Early Adventures in Spaced Repetition https://two-wrongs.com/starting-spaced-repetition
[18:08]	TR Bot	 Early Adventures in Spaced Repetition
[18:09]	TR News	Going with the flow to charge a clean energy revolution https://michaelwest.com.au/going-with-the-flow-to-charge-a-clean-energy-revolution/
[18:09]	TR Bot	 Going with the flow to charge a clean energy revolution - Michael West
[18:19]	TR News	http://techrights.org/2023/04/23/emacs-for-p2p-deliberation/
[18:19]	TR Bot	 LibrePlanet Talk by Joseph Turner (USHIN) on Emacs for P2P Deliberation | Techrights
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:22]	TR News	"I'm giving gemini another shot despite almost certainly being pointless in terms of interactions with others. I'm simply going to accept that, and find value in the writing process, in creating posts in an orderly fashion, in possibly authoring some verbiage that somehow leads another back from whence we've come." gemini://textmonger.pollux.casa/gemlog/2023-04-23-01-try-try-again.gmi
[18:23]	TR News	"In my quest to get a job in Canada, I decided to enroll for a short 3 month program online, which should get me a very smart certificate once completed. The first course of six was completed where I was pleasantly surprised with the content of the course, it's delivery, and how much fun it was to take part in." gemini://ferds.flounder.online/gemlog/monologue_I.gmi
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[18:42]	TR News	 (NEW): 10 Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu 23.04 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/10_Things_To_Do_After_Installing_Ubuntu_23_04.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/23/10_Things_To_Do_After_Installing_Ubuntu_23_04.gmi 
[18:42]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines 10 Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu 23.04
[18:49]	TR News	Why Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai's salary is a touchy topic in tech world https://www.livemint.com/news/india/why-alphabet-ceo-sundar-pichai-s-salary-is-a-touchy-topic-in-tech-world-11682251708387.html
[18:49]	TR Bot	 Why Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai's salary is a touchy topic in tech world | Mint
[18:50]	TR News	"Phones" are not phones https://www.arabnews.com/node/2291431/media
[18:50]	TR Bot	 UK to test alert system on millions of phones | Arab News
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[19:07]	psydruid	schestowitz, I slept through much of the game and see they're up to penalty kicks now
[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[19:26]	schestowitz[TR]	psydruid: :)
[19:27]	schestowitz[TR]	Lindelof
[19:35]	TR News	No bards gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2023-04-23%20No%20bards
[19:38]	schestowitz[TR]	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cajb-s0WLT0
[19:38]	TR Bot	 Man United Vs Brighton Penalties 7-6 All Gals - 2023 - Invidious
[19:41]	TR News	Microsoft Windows? https://www.postguam.com/news/local/federal-office-probes-gmh-network-breach/article_0848cb50-e0cd-11ed-b3b3-6b2687403b80.html
[19:41]	TR Bot	office probes GMH network breach | Guam News | postguam.com
[19:42]	TR News	"Gary Bowser, the hacking group member who was convicted for creating and selling circumvention devices enabling users to play illegal backups on Switch and 3DS, has been released from prison early." https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/switch-hacker-gary-bowser-released-from-jail-will-pay-nintendo-25-30-income-for-the-rest-of-his-life/
[19:42]	TR Bot	 Switch hacker Gary Bowser released from jail, will pay Nintendo 25-30% income for the rest of his life | VGC
[19:48]	TR News	 (NEW): Greener FreeBSD and FreeBSD Status Report First Quarter 2023 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/Greener_FreeBSD_and_FreeBSD_Status_Report_First_Quarter_2023.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/Greener_FreeBSD_and_FreeBSD_Status_Report_First_Quarter_2023.gmi 
[19:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Greener FreeBSD and FreeBSD Status Report First Quarter 2023
[19:48]	TR News	 (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/04/22/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[19:48]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Programming Leftovers
● Apr 23
[20:16]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2023/04/21/israeli-phone-malware-maker-quadream-apparently-ready-to-call-it-quits-after-suffering-a-little-negative-press/
[20:16]	TR Bot	Phone Malware Maker QuaDream Apparently Ready To Call It Quits After Suffering A Little Negative Press | Techdirt
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[21:57]	DaemonFC	"Tanks won't make an immediate difference in Ukraine."
[21:57]	DaemonFC	Well, I mean, it's not like there's much incentive to field them right away.
[21:58]	DaemonFC	The Ukrainians operate a lot of Russian-made junk, but it's almost all newer and better than what Putler is now willing to send.
[21:59]	DaemonFC	Why even risk getting a modern tank damaged by fielding it against those?
[21:59]	DaemonFC	The Russian tanks aren't much of a threat, but they may have something else that can come in and do the damage.
● Apr 23
[22:00]	DaemonFC	It makes more sense to keep fielding newer Russian tanks and to save the modern tank groups for an important reason, like as part of a campaign to retake occupied territory where the Russians are better defended.
[22:01]	DaemonFC	An Abrams or a Leopard would destroy many of these older Russian tanks, but like, what's even the point? So would T-72 and T-80s and Ukraine operates those.
[22:02]	DaemonFC	Not having things like a gun stabilizer or autoloader alone put the Russian tank crews in extreme danger, and that's before you get to the part where Putin doesn't care if they have much armor on them.
[22:03]	MinceR	i thought orcish tanks were the only ones to use autoloaders
[22:03]	DaemonFC	If the Russian "defense" industry was capable of upgrading older tanks, they'd at least be somewhat menacing.
[22:03]	DaemonFC	But if they can even get them to start up, off they go.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	Some NATO tanks use them. Also, South Korea.
[22:05]	DaemonFC	The French have them. Who knows if they'll send any tanks though?
[22:06]	DaemonFC	In any event, it's a handicap in the case of the Russians.
[22:06]	DaemonFC	Every time they get a tank blown up, they lose one more person.
[22:06]	DaemonFC	The tank crews shouldn't be considered expendable.
[22:06]	DaemonFC	But the Russians are weird like that.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	They always seem willing to take huge losses figuring they'll just swarm and win like that in the end, and it's not working here.
[22:07]	DaemonFC	"We have more people to kill."
[22:07]	DaemonFC	"You're a real man!"
[22:07]	DaemonFC	Pay grade: "Walmart"
[22:09]	DaemonFC	https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/23/business/buybuy-baby-closures-bankruptcy/index.html
[22:09]	TR Bot	 What happens to buybuy BABY with Bed Bath & Beyond planning to go out of business | CNN Business
[22:09]	DaemonFC	Hopefully, Buy Buy Baby fails too.
[22:09]	DaemonFC	And those horrible radio commercials stop.
[22:09]	DaemonFC	"Buy Buy Baby! Welcome to parenthood!"
[22:09]	DaemonFC	Buy Buy Baby sounds like an ironic name for an abortion clinic.
[22:10]	DaemonFC	It's even worse than the children's clothing store "Once Upon a Child".
[22:10]	DaemonFC	Who names this stuff?
[22:10]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^
[22:11]	DaemonFC	How is there a chain of baby shops that are profitable?
[22:11]	DaemonFC	The birthrate has crashed.
[22:11]	AdmFubar	https://hackaday.com/2023/04/21/the-cyber-resilience-act-threatens-open-source/
[22:11]	TR Bot	Cyber Resilience Act Threatens Open Source | Hackaday
[22:11]	DaemonFC	Only the really poor (paid off by the government) and the really rich (who have unlimited money) are have many children.
[22:12]	DaemonFC	schestowitz[TR], I figured out a scheme to deal with the "cat inflation" problem.
[22:13]	DaemonFC	Bank a bunch of rebates stocking up on cat supplies. Use Mandy's 10% discount and my 5% cash back rewards along the way. Submit the receipts to the manufacturer in the "points" scheme.
[22:13]	DaemonFC	I'm sitting on enough receipts right now to get like $40 in $5 Walmart cards.
[22:13]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Yes, Catflation.
[22:13]	DaemonFC	That's what they're doing to us.
[22:13]	DaemonFC	Get two cats, pay for three.
[22:14]	DaemonFC	(food and litter)
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[22:21]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/23041345
[22:22]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
[22:42]	AdmFubar	https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/03/russian-cyberwarfare-documents-leaked.html
[22:42]	TR Bot	Cyberwarfare Documents Leaked - Schneier on Security
[22:54]	AdmFubar	https://techcrunch.com/2023/04/20/kodiak-robotics-will-haul-freight-autonomously-for-tyson-foods/
[22:54]	TR Bot	Robotics will haul freight autonomously for Tyson Foods | TechCrunch
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[22:59]	AdmFubar	https://www.zdnet.com/article/this-new-technology-could-blow-away-gpt-4-and-everything-like-it/
[22:59]	TR Bot	new technology could blow away GPT-4 and everything like it | ZDNET
● Apr 23
[23:02]	AdmFubar	and 640k is all the memory you will ever need https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/22/bill-gates-ai-chatbots-will-teach-kids-how-to-read-within-18-months.html
[23:02]	TR Bot	 Bill Gates: A.I. chatbots will teach kids how to read within 18 months
[23:03]	XRevan86	"Russian Cyberwarfare Documents Leaked - Schneier on Security" <- Old news.
[23:03]	MinceR	more bullshit from bill gAIDS
[23:07]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/23041323
[23:07]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-04-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:26]	DaemonFC	https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=VxAkjaJ6wh8&listen=false
[23:26]	TR Bot	 The Enterprise-D vs The Borg...one last time - Invidious
[23:26]	DaemonFC	The effects weren't there in the 90s to do the Enterprise-D justice.
[23:27]	DaemonFC	It basically took a movie budget and before they did that, they were onto the Enterprise-E.
[23:28]	DaemonFC	MinceR, TNG had its moments but moved slowly and without much of an arc.
[23:28]	DaemonFC	I did like the set of the Enterprise-D better than the others though.
[23:28]	DaemonFC	The next ones were too "futuristic" and "machine-like".
[23:28]	DaemonFC	The main bridge screamed 80s luxury car on the Enterprise-D.
[23:28]	MinceR	a futuristic machine-like machine from the future?
[23:28]	MinceR	well, i never!
[23:29]	DaemonFC	Well, you know.
[23:29]	DaemonFC	I mean, they didn't have any elegance to the design.
[23:29]	MinceR	"DALEKS HAVE NO CONCEPT OF ELEGANCE!"
[23:29]	DaemonFC	This much is obvious!
[23:29]	DaemonFC	:)
[23:29]	MinceR	:)
[23:30]	DaemonFC	"You would destroy the Cybermen with only four Daleks?"
[23:30]	DaemonFC	"WE WOULD DESTROY THE CYBERMEN WITH ONLY ONE DAAAAALEK!"
[23:31]	MinceR	"I'LL DO IT!"
[23:31]	DaemonFC	Still not a ginger.
[23:31]	DaemonFC	He's been everything now, including a woman, and black.
[23:31]	DaemonFC	But not a ginger.
[23:31]	MinceR	:>
[23:32]	DaemonFC	He should just give up and get some hair dye and become a transginger.
[23:32]	DaemonFC	mjg59_, ^
[23:32]	DaemonFC	:)
[23:32]	MinceR	"only a ginger can call another ginger ginger"
[23:32]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Alternate timeline, Borg Earth.
[23:33]	DaemonFC	See, there's Borg Illinois, and Borg Florida, and Borg Canada (very polite), and Borg Mexico....
[23:33]	DaemonFC	But who could forget everyone's favorite?
[23:33]	DaemonFC	Borg Cuba!
[23:33]	MinceR	lol
[23:34]	DaemonFC	I don't know what the Borg would want humans for. 
[23:34]	MinceR	Borg Oblate Spheroid
[23:34]	DaemonFC	They already said they're not interested in things that take them further away from perfection.
[23:34]	MinceR	obviously, they were extremely far from perfection
[23:35]	DaemonFC	Remember the Kazan? Of course you do. The pathetic Delta Quadrant answer to Klingons that just ended up being a thinly veiled racist trope for black people.
[23:35]	DaemonFC	:)
[23:35]	MinceR	Kazon
[23:35]	DaemonFC	Seven of Nine said the Borg found them unworthy of assimilation.
[23:35]	DaemonFC	Because they're just a bunch of violent pirates and carjackers, basically.
[23:35]	MinceR	so the Borg already had what the Kazon had? :>
[23:36]	MinceR	even then, assimilating humans would be a very slight advancement
[23:36]	DaemonFC	Well, the Kazon.....were too stupid to realize how the technology worked.
[23:36]	DaemonFC	They just used it.
[23:36]	MinceR	just like most humans
[23:36]	DaemonFC	People who aren't very intelligent can use all sorts of technology if you hand it to them.
[23:36]	DaemonFC	Most people will figure out how to use a microwave oven, or a phone, or a car, or a computer.
[23:37]	MinceR	then again, the humans we have currently are far away from becoming the Star Trek humans
[23:37]	DaemonFC	The Kazon stole ships from others.
[23:37]	MinceR	we'll probably kill ourselves off before we could leave the solar system
[23:37]	DaemonFC	Then they forced them to repair the technology if it broke down, at gunpoint.
[23:37]	DaemonFC	Which works, I suppose.
[23:37]	DaemonFC	They're a parasitic race, which the Borg are as well.
[23:38]	DaemonFC	But the Borg immediately understand everything from the races they assimilate.
[23:38]	DaemonFC	The bodies are just worker bees at that point.
[23:39]	DaemonFC	Humans would be interesting for drones and for whatever unique knowledge and technology they had, and whatever problem solving abilities the Borg could gain from the sum of human knowledge.
[23:39]	DaemonFC	Which is sort of like, why would you go to the past to assimilate Earth?
[23:39]	DaemonFC	Humans in 2063? Just fresh out of a nuclear war?
[23:39]	DaemonFC	That's got to be even less interesting than the Kazon.
[23:40]	DaemonFC	That's a major plot hole.
[23:40]	MinceR	:>
[23:40]	DaemonFC	Revenge against the Federation for being so stubborn? That doesn't make sense either.
[23:41]	DaemonFC	The Borg could bring more Cubes into the battle, destroy any size of Federation fleet, and take Earth in the present, with minimal losses.
[23:41]	DaemonFC	We saw the damage one Cube did to the entire Fleet before the Enterprise arrived.
[23:41]	DaemonFC	Losing drones doesn't matter to them.
[23:42]	DaemonFC	Seven of Nine said that when a drone body is killed, the Collective still has all of their knowledge.
[23:43]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I suppose the explanation for why the Enterprise-D was back made enough sense though.
[23:44]	DaemonFC	The saucer section was retrieved from Veridian III to avoid contaminating the planet (Prime Directive).
[23:44]	DaemonFC	The planet was uninhabited, but a neighboring one was inhabited. It would make sense in such a system that the people on the other planet would be able to reach Veridian III before they developed faster than light travel.
[23:45]	DaemonFC	So the Prime Directive could end up becoming an issue.
[23:45]	DaemonFC	It would be nice if there were two Earth-like planets in our system.
[23:46]	DaemonFC	I wonder how common Earth-like planets really are.
[23:46]	DaemonFC	They keep saying "Earth-like planet" detected, but we don't have the capability to determine that.
[23:47]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/23041276
[23:47]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
[23:47]	DaemonFC	And the definition could be pretty broad. Like, how many planets are out there where if you could reach them, humans could just live there? You're still talking about an alien ecosystem, an entirely different evolutionary process for any life, different gravity, more or less oxygen or other gases in the atmosphere.
[23:47]	DaemonFC	Small difference, you can't live there. It's close, but it's not close enough.
[23:48]	DaemonFC	Star Trek assumes that planets hospitable to humans are just littered about the galaxy everywhere.
[23:54]	DaemonFC	MinceR, "Oh, fucking solids!"
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