●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, July 23, 2022 ●●
● Jul 23
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	even 24k
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	28k
[00:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	14.4
[00:01]	DaemonFC	Assuming you blocked the video player and ads, the site would probably take almost 5 minutes to come through as a Web page on a 56k modem, even with v.92 compression on.
[00:02]	DaemonFC	It just wouldn't be practical.
[00:02]	DaemonFC	Web to GemText would take 2 seconds.
[00:05]	matey	what are you going to do with 14.4
[00:07]	DaemonFC	Gemini would work fine.
[00:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	just as the web worked fine back then
[00:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	a bit heavier in the markup sense
[00:10]	phanes	youre not going to make much hedway into debian's issues until you address the neil mcgovern factor
[00:10]	matey	youre not going to make much hedway into debian's issues <- he never will
[00:10]	DaemonFC	Mandy's helping me in the kitchen.
[00:10]	matey	emphasis on never
[00:10]	DaemonFC	I'm making a crab imperial casserole.
[00:11]	DaemonFC	Man I hope it's good. The crab alone cost a fortune.
[00:11]	phanes	also in that context
[00:11]	matey	the dds get the gravy but the users get the beans
[00:11]	phanes	i wonder why elana hashmann isn't brought up here
[00:11]	matey	ooooh
[00:11]	matey	elana hashmann
[00:12]	matey	i think she was, years ago
[00:12]	matey	no sarcasm: how is she relevant to all this now
[00:12]	phanes	i mean its an obviously personality disorder and toxic influence that was central to the stallman smear campaign and im not sure what else
[00:12]	matey	where does she even hail from? debian? osi? gnome?
[00:13]	phanes	all 3 and redhat most recently
[00:13]	matey	so basically a girl version of mjg then
[00:13]	phanes	i would agree with that
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	hashman is not important
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	we also stopped bringing bully de icaza here
[00:13]	schestowitz[TR2]	(blanc)
[00:13]	matey	roy downplays the coup
[00:14]	matey	acts like its old unimportant news
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	hashman mostly 'vanished'
[00:14]	matey	then denies it of course
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	like neil mcgovern
[00:14]	DaemonFC	Mr. GULAG displays signs of a few things in my opinion.
[00:14]	matey	its funny 
[00:14]	matey	alex gravely vanishes and he does 100 pieces on it
[00:14]	matey	which i understand
[00:14]	phanes	hashman is a tactical point of failure in these campaigns
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	deb icaza is another one... they ruin their credibility and become low profile
[00:14]	matey	what i dont get is that people closer to coup (the feet on the ground)
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[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	same for miguel e icaza
[00:14]	schestowitz[TR2]	apparneltyy fired
[00:14]	matey	when they vanish he acts like they never existed
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	no
[00:15]	DaemonFC	Narcissism, and almost like a borderline and histrionic personality.
[00:15]	matey	and become low profile <- the relevance
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	it means we need to focus on those sctive as a prioriuty
[00:15]	matey	 23:15 <schestowitz[TR2]> no 23:14 <matey> then denies it of course
[00:15]	matey	well heres why thats dumb.
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	we could still boycott novel, y'know?
[00:15]	matey	heres a big picture that tells us a lot.
[00:15]	schestowitz[TR2]	excewpt it ceased to exist
[00:15]	matey	yeah boycott novell was better.
[00:15]	DaemonFC	Of course, that's not a professional diagnosis.
[00:15]	matey	the big picture tells us more
[00:16]	DaemonFC	Merely some things I'd suspect a psychiatrist would pick up on. In my lay opinion.
[00:16]	matey	by focusing on the present, you let them control the narrative by disappearing and changing their rhetoric
[00:16]	matey	if you want to tell the actual story
[00:16]	matey	you cant ignore whats happened
[00:16]	matey	and the reason you think you need to focus on the present is its more about pageviews than journalism
[00:16]	matey	you dont want people to say "oh, this is old news" and skip it
[00:17]	matey	you want them to go OOH JUICY GOSS! and scroll while drooling over nothing
[00:17]	matey	however, for some of us the actual story (and what to do about it) is more important
[00:17]	matey	so focusing too exclusively on the present is useless
[00:17]	matey	even detrimental-- though of course the present matters too
[00:17]	matey	its the past of the future!
[00:17]	DaemonFC	Mozilla isn't a software company.
[00:18]	matey	and the future of the past
[00:18]	DaemonFC	They crossed the threshold into like 60% bullshit 40% software.
[00:18]	DaemonFC	The software throws the bullshit in your face.
[00:18]	matey	accuweather focuses on the present of the weather down to the minute
[00:18]	matey	while downplaying trends that will make or break the human race
[00:18]	matey	you can do that too
[00:18]	matey	but expect people to make fun of it
[00:19]		*phanes wonders if he broke mjg59_ or something, he's been quiet
[00:19]	matey	just yesterday you said "we fight too"
[00:19]	matey	well, no. no you dont. you sensationalise
[00:19]	matey	thats not fighting
[00:20]	matey	its "goss"
[00:20]	phanes	my perception of roy is that he's conflict-avoidant but wants to get the truth out, has some difficulty with separation of issues in content
[00:20]	matey	then you say its because its really about the epo, not free software
[00:20]	matey	because the narrative changes on a whim all the time
[00:20]	matey	because there isnt a real reason (or at least, its none of the above)
[00:21]	matey	maybe its really about nothing
[00:21]	phanes	schestowitz[TR2]: btw are you on the spectrum?
[00:21]	matey	<phanes> ACTION wonders if he broke mjg59_ or something <- despite having helpers, he cant be 
[00:21]	matey	no hes not on the spectrum
[00:21]	matey	hes normie af
[00:21]	matey	which would be fine, some of my best friends are normies
[00:21]	phanes	idk some of the mannerisms suggest some mild autism to me
[00:22]	matey	hes a german in britain with some ocd-like tendencies that could easily be misdiagnosed as on the spectrum
[00:22]	matey	says random internet person with no degree in psych, but thats the internet for you
[00:23]	phanes	yeah that whole "i publish private messages without asking first" thing comes across as neurodivergent tbh
[00:23]	matey	germans are issued ocd in the womb, if im not mistaken
[00:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	phanes> schestowitz[TR2]: btw are you on the spectrum?
[00:23]	matey	maybe its just petty though
[00:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	did you stop beating up the rife?
[00:23]	schestowitz[TR2]	*wife
[00:23]	phanes	eh?
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[00:24]	matey	he thinks on the spectrum is an accusation
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[00:24]	matey	but he wont get defensive if you say hes a normie
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[00:24]	phanes	ive never been involved or even accused of violence towards any woman, THOUGH I CAN'T SAY I'VE NEVER BEEN TEMPTED :d
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[00:24]	matey	i can explain this but its also not important
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[00:25]	matey	 <phanes> yeah that whole "i publish private messages without asking first" <- emails too
[00:26]	matey	heres a better question (for clarity)
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	phanes: you said I'm conflict-adverse 
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	that's not true
[00:26]	matey	is google on the spectrum? because they sift through email for advertising purposes
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	but our style varies a lot
[00:26]	matey	he likes conflict
[00:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	and you mass-banned in #fsf
[00:27]	matey	putting a bag of poo on fire on someone doorstep, ringing the bell and running away is conflict too
[00:27]	matey	 and you mass-banned in #fsf <- i guess this is about you now phanes
[00:27]	matey	funny you hit a nerve i didnt think he had
[00:27]	phanes	schestowitz[TR2]:  in all fairness, it's not possible to do that twice because they're all gone after the first time
[00:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	short fuse
[00:28]	phanes	feel free to quote me on that as my formal response
[00:28]	matey	control freaks look like they have ocd
[00:28]	phanes	short fuse?  no i had no personal or direct conflict with #fsf and liked most of the people in there
[00:28]	matey	but ocd (while co-morbid with autism) isnt the only cause of control freaks
[00:29]	matey	 <phanes> short fuse?  no i had no personal or direct conflict with #fsf  <- and now its about you
[00:29]	matey	despite the fact that in most contexts he will complain that these people banned without due cause
[00:29]	matey	in this instance it implies something
[00:29]	matey	welcome to my world
[00:30]	matey	i was banned from linuxquestions
[00:30]	matey	i refused to be bullied by their systemd dick sucking contest
[00:30]	matey	i had countless useful and interesting exchanges there
[00:30]	phanes	i think what he's confused about is that I actually bite back instead of just antagonizing people from a distance, and i bite back hard to make it an expensive process.
[00:30]	matey	but once youre targeted by moderators, its over
[00:30]	matey	 i think what he's confused about is that I actually bite back <- ill quote mitt romney in the epic rap battle
[00:31]	matey	IM NOT GONNA LET THIS BATTLE BE DICTATED BY FACTS
[00:31]	matey	some people dont care about that
[00:31]	DaemonFC	phaneswonders if he broke mjg59_ or something, he's been quiet
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[00:31]	DaemonFC	Point out that "partner" is a conservative microaggression that's used against gay people.
[00:31]	DaemonFC	That ought to wind him back up for about an hour.
[00:32]	phanes	if we start policing language so much around feelings we're going to eventually run out of words
[00:32]	mjg59_	DaemonFC: What word should I be using?
[00:32]	phanes	there he is
[00:32]	phanes	mjg59_: have you shaved off your eyebrows yet?
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	now you are just looking for conflict
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	and not based on tech issues
[00:33]	matey	if we start policing language so much around feelings we're going to eventually run out of words <- that is one of the notable hazards
[00:33]	matey	<schestowitz[TR2]> and not based on tech issues <- cancellation is a tech issue 
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	this feeds the "OSI criticis are homophobic" trupe
[00:33]	schestowitz[TR2]	*tripe
[00:34]	matey	it killed the linux kernel and the fsf
[00:34]	phanes	it is, and its not a new conflict, it is one long string of conflict that ends with repairs to the communities impact
[00:34]	phanes	*communities impacted
[00:34]	matey	phanes: "we move on"
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: no
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	i starts culture wars in IRC
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	and not wars over tech
[00:34]	DaemonFC	phanesthere he is
[00:34]	matey	oh! now it only affects irc
[00:34]	DaemonFC	Told you.
[00:34]	matey	phanes, did you hit him over the head with that barrel?
[00:34]	schestowitz[TR2]	fwiw, "both sides" can do it
[00:35]	matey	here we go
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	and either way it derails the causes
[00:35]	matey	roys saying dont cancel the cancellers again
[00:35]	matey	so just them take over and run shit.
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	no
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	he gets them gfoing
[00:35]	phanes	matey: no im still in research and planning spikes
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	and later they link to it
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	and call us names
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it's time-wasting
[00:35]	schestowitz[TR2]	because we have many tech issues to cover
[00:35]	matey	phanes: your research is consistent and (from what ive seen at least) based on thinking about things in context
[00:36]	matey	roy i dont know what youre talking about. i suspect that makes three of us
[00:36]	matey	but this is one of your narratives, its only a matter of which one
[00:36]	DaemonFC	I try to gravitate towards platforms that aren't controlled by Cancel Culture.
[00:36]	matey	theyre all tedious and timewasting
[00:36]	matey	and miss the point
[00:36]	DaemonFC	They're outnumbered, but wasting your time with them is pointless.
[00:36]	matey	and theyre all presented as a way to "get" the point
[00:37]	matey	but there isnt one
[00:37]	matey	at least as long as we do it your way
[00:37]	DaemonFC	mjg59_ is the kind of person who ruins Disney and shits all over your childhood.
[00:37]	MinceR	23 011840 < matey> while downplaying trends that will make or break the human race
[00:37]	DaemonFC	I'm glad I got to see their parks before Cancel Culture won.
[00:37]	MinceR	i don't need accuweather to tell me we're boiling ourselves to death, but it can still be useful to know what weather to expect today or tomorrow
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: the reason mjg was muted last year was,
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	he would bring up sex
[00:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	and then use the resultant mess to defame us
[00:38]	matey	 it can still be useful to know what weather to expect today or tomorrow <- of course it is, thats why i use it too
[00:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	and now phanes does the same in reverse
[00:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	and it just derails the channekl
[00:38]	matey	but theyre still using that as bait to downplay other important things
[00:38]	matey	and thats the parallel
[00:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	which is abiut tech and patents mostly
[00:38]	TR News	eight bits gemini://sadbeast.com/posts/eight-bits.gmi
[00:38]	DaemonFC	One of the first things to go was that you couldn't depict pirates as chasing after women (it implies rape). They used to have part of the animatronic Pirates ride a pirate chasing a woman around a barrel.
[00:38]	phanes	yeah he's been trying really hard to bring up topics to capture out of context test bytes but he's not exactly hard to spot when he's doing it
[00:38]	matey	 and now phanes does the same in reverse <- so youre against analysis of the coup just like youre against people using bsd to get away from sytemd?
[00:38]	DaemonFC	Which is something a pirate would probably do. They're outlaws.
[00:39]	matey	"this doesnt need to be our #1 priority"-- roy on people using bsd to get away from systemd
[00:39]	MinceR	23 012438 < matey> but he wont get defensive if you say hes a normie
[00:39]	MinceR	maybe because it's meaningless
[00:39]	matey	normie isnt meaningless
[00:39]	DaemonFC	Certainly nobody at Disney was implying that being a lawbreaker who raped women was acceptable.
[00:39]	DaemonFC	It was just a stupid ride about pirates.
[00:39]	matey	its the opposite of neurodivergent
[00:40]	matey	imo the best way to use it is when normies are being cunts to those who are neurodivergent
[00:40]	phanes	i haven't heard normie used that weay
[00:40]	phanes	*way
[00:40]	matey	other than that i think its a bit rude, but thats just my opinion
[00:40]	matey	theres another way to use it
[00:40]	MinceR	23 013935 < matey> its the opposite of neurodivergent 
[00:40]	matey	like trans people use "cis"
[00:40]	MinceR	it's yet another of the millions of insults imageboard people throw at people they dislike
[00:40]	matey	no, neurodivergent isnt meaningless
[00:40]	MinceR	like "cringe"
[00:40]	DaemonFC	Then the left has suppressed the film in which the first black actor won an Oscar award.
[00:41]	phanes	when i use the term normies im usually talking about average IQ people
[00:41]	matey	 it's yet another of the millions of insults <- it may be used that way, but it still has a meaning
[00:41]	DaemonFC	The only way you can see it is to download a bootlegged copy.
[00:41]	matey	why does being an insult make it not have a meaning?
[00:41]	matey	its not arbitrary
[00:42]	matey	<phanes> when i use the term normies im usually talking about average IQ people <- telling someone theyre "average" implies something less than flattering
[00:42]	matey	even if its a stastistical fact
[00:42]	phanes	i mean
[00:42]	phanes	not everybody gets to be amazing
[00:42]	matey	someone may FACTUALLY be an idiot
[00:42]	DaemonFC	I mean, the film "Song of the South" is hardly a great movie, but it had moments where it was pretty okay. And they censor an achievement by black actors.
[00:42]	phanes	sorry
[00:42]	matey	yeah but to be fair
[00:42]	matey	theres more than one way to be amazing
[00:42]	DaemonFC	They finally won an Oscar, and here the left comes to take it away!
[00:42]	phanes	its something is amazing its definitionally not normal
[00:43]	DaemonFC	Then they censored Splash Mountain.
[00:43]	matey	but normie doesnt mean not amazing
[00:43]	matey	it means not neurodivergent
[00:43]	phanes	to me it does
[00:43]	matey	fair enough
[00:43]	phanes	there are plenty of autist normies
[00:43]	DaemonFC	I wouldn't go to Disney World for free today.
[00:43]	phanes	not every autist is high functioning
[00:43]	DaemonFC	If I won tickets in a contest, I'd sell them to someone else.
[00:43]	phanes	im not on the spectrum 
[00:44]	DaemonFC	Walking around in the sun all day standing in line so when I get up there I'm told what I'm allowed to see by the SJWs is not gonna happen.
[00:44]	DaemonFC	Much less paying for it.
[00:47]	DaemonFC	Being racist is fine and acceptable in America today.....you can absolutely be as racist as you want, as long as the victim is white. You can say anything you want about white people, you can lie about us, you can slander us, you can make up any negative and false stereotype. You can treat us as badly in court as what you say the system does to black people, and you can have the cops kill us...
[00:47]	DaemonFC	...in the back of police cars, or for reaching for our driver's license. And nobody is going to riot and set fires.
[00:47]	DaemonFC	Hell, nobody is even going to report it!
[00:47]	DaemonFC	So knock yourself out. If you're part of the left, you've won.
[00:47]	matey	anyway, the coup is one of the most important things about the history of the movement
[00:47]	matey	not the only important thing, but highly important
[00:48]	phanes	not unless you can prove it
[00:48]	matey	letting it fall by the wayside only helps the occupation
[00:48]	matey	<phanes> not unless you can prove it <- wait, what?
[00:48]	phanes	when you're dealing with reality warpers history is the last victim
[00:48]	matey	rewriting history has been an open source tactic since 1998
[00:48]	matey	linus wrote an operating system
[00:48]	DaemonFC	They have white people so self-deprecating that when the police commit misconduct against us, the other white people even say "he probably deserved it".
[00:48]	matey	the fuck you say
[00:49]	matey	linus co-opted a movement and then said the movement was about hate
[00:49]	matey	i like him just 1% more than you like mjg
[00:49]	matey	he equated standing up to corporate hegemony with "hate"
[00:49]	matey	thats how stallman was ousted
[00:49]	phanes	i mean
[00:50]	phanes	if these leaders had social or strategic acumen they'd BE their corporate counterparts
[00:50]	matey	they have a strategy
[00:50]	matey	suck dicks
[00:50]	DaemonFC	If Ian Murdock had been black, liberals would have torn up city hall in San Francisco on a mission to prove the police either killed him or set out to frame him.
[00:50]	matey	thats a strategy
[00:50]	DaemonFC	There would be resignations. Firings.
[00:50]	DaemonFC	Regime change.
[00:50]	matey	linus did this less than people like gkh
[00:51]	matey	tso did this less than even torvalds i think
[00:51]	matey	these are the people you want to weed out if you want hegemony
[00:51]	matey	but linus was never on our side. he was on theirs
[00:51]	DaemonFC	Well, the way mjg59_ works, it's like President Clark's regime in B5. You know.
[00:51]	matey	he did insist on having principles. he had a spine
[00:51]	matey	but he was still on the other team
[00:51]	DaemonFC	It's like how ISN switches over to more and more bullshit until they just lie openly and expect nobody to rebut them. 
[00:51]	matey	and ultimately the game didnt change
[00:51]	matey	they ousted him to keep tso out 
[00:51]	phanes	i trhink youre making some assumptions there.  what if he just knows he's getting old and doesn't want to leave his life work to the mercy of non-contributing activists
[00:52]	matey	they fucked up tso for good measure. always double tap
[00:52]	DaemonFC	He's on a mission to do character assassinations against all of the important people in the FOSS community, while having done nothing for it except sabotage.
[00:52]	matey	 i trhink youre making some assumptions there. <- i mean
[00:52]	matey	this is the concluision that YEARS of research brings me to
[00:52]	matey	what am i assuming?
[00:52]	matey	i could always be wrong
[00:52]	matey	id like to be wrong more often
[00:52]	matey	sometimes i am
[00:52]	phanes	i was wrong once
[00:53]	matey	oh ive been wrong enough times for now
[00:53]	phanes	i thought i was wrong about something for a bit and then looked it up and it turned out i was right
[00:53]	phanes	:D
[00:53]	matey	i thought microsoft was going to buy red hat, RIGHT before ibm did 
[00:53]	matey	im told microsofts deal was on the table though
[00:54]	matey	ibm and microsoft are easier to understand if you think of them as the same company-- despite the fact theyre not
[00:54]	DaemonFC	Microsoft isn't hiring. They're not a healthy company.
[00:54]	DaemonFC	I think mjg59_'s endgame was probably to get a job there like Miguel.
[00:54]	phanes	i turn down offers from msft all the time, theyre hiring
[00:54]	DaemonFC	But that's a guess. Anyway, they're on a hiring freeze for the most part.
[00:54]	matey	i guess ariadne does too
[00:55]	DaemonFC	They did a bunch of stealth layoffs. Not big enough to draw major headlines.
[00:55]	DaemonFC	All adding up.
[00:57]	matey	i think i know how roy distinguishes between what needs to be talked about and what doesnt
[00:57]	matey	its pretty straightforward
[00:57]	matey	maybe "straightforward" is the wrong word. but its not complicated
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	<phanes> i turn down offers from msft all the time, theyre hiring
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	they don't
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	a month ago sources near microsoft told me they had stopped
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	days ago the MSM confiurmed too
[00:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	but late
[00:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	red hat loses amanager sand engs very fast
[00:58]	matey	www.cnbc.com/2022/07/20/microsoft-eases-up-on-hiring-as-economic-concerns-hit-more-of-the-tech-industry.html
[00:58]	schestowitz[TR2]	so quality of support and their products/eingeering will sink soon, if not already
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 7.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	"Eases up"
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	the economy is "easing up"
[00:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	"it's not a recssion!!"
[00:59]	matey	our pockets were getting to be a heavy burden
[00:59]	matey	we can relax now
[00:59]	phanes	in all fairness to that, quality of engineer and support at most of the big names is in freefall the last few years
● Jul 23
[01:00]	matey	take some of that weight off
[01:00]	phanes	i cant complain, its how i make my money
[01:00]	matey	international shipping is easing up too
[01:01]	matey	if you were bothered by the hustle and bustle of too many things going through too quickly, you can breathe a sigh of relief
[01:01]	phanes	coming in and fixing bullshit
[01:01]	matey	i ordered some things half a year ago
[01:01]	matey	/me shrugs
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[01:02]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Stay in Our Proprietary Prison (GitHub) and Attract Other People to This Prison, Well Give You Gifts | Techrights
[01:03]	matey	<matey> i think i know how roy distinguishes between what needs to be talked about and what doesnt
[01:03]	matey	ill give an example of this
[01:03]	matey	a while ago crystalmath came in and recommended roy promote the stallmansupport website
[01:04]	britney	well well well, i got discord working in pidgin :D
[01:04]	matey	roy said we need to get away from this
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	??
[01:04]	britney	Pidgin: 66MB ram, Discord: Over 300!
[01:04]	matey	then a few days later started mirroring all the articles
[01:04]	matey	its in the logs roy
[01:04]	matey	your own logs
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	I still link to that site every time it has an update
[01:04]	schestowitz[TR2]	I last checked it for updates 3 hours ago
[01:04]	matey	my point is
[01:04]	matey	originally, you dismissed it as the sort of thing we need to "move on" from
[01:05]	matey	so as i was saying
[01:05]	CrystalMath	well maybe...
[01:05]	matey	<matey> i think i know how roy distinguishes between what needs to be talked about and what doesnt
[01:05]	matey	stuff roy can write/talk about (or has new information on)
[01:05]	CrystalMath	i mean sure, Stallman has been uncancelled successfully, that's a win
[01:05]	matey	thats the stuff "we" should make "our" priority
[01:05]	CrystalMath	but we need to absolutely make fun of the horrible people who tried to throw mud at him
[01:05]	matey	if he had new information on the coup, "we" should discuss it
[01:05]	CrystalMath	and absolutely drive those people into the ground
[01:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	did we get hackernews'd or something?
[01:05]	matey	if he doesnt, "we" should move on
[01:06]	matey	if someone else has information on the vcoup
[01:06]	matey	"we" should "move on"
[01:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	2000 res in a minute
[01:06]	matey	it all depends on who has the scoop
[01:06]	CrystalMath	that is, we need to punish cancel culture with ridicule so that they NEVER think about doing something like this again
[01:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	*reqs
[01:07]	matey	probably the cia realising how vital techrights is and reenacting the bay of pigs (online version)
[01:07]	CrystalMath	the retarded gnome, what's his name, Neil McGovern or something? and that has-been, Molly LeBlanc... these people can never be forgiven
[01:08]	matey	maybe twitter featured tr in everyones feed at once
[01:08]	matey	#wefighttoo
[01:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	#WeFuntoo
[01:09]	phanes	CrystalMath: im gathering material to do that in my own way, i need names and logs:  abuse@silogroup.org
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[01:09]	CrystalMath	hi phanes!
[01:09]	CrystalMath	how's it been?
[01:10]	phanes	how ya doin?  been a while.  I've been busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest
[01:11]	phanes	mostly work shit
[01:11]	phanes	but 
[01:11]	CrystalMath	i'm okay
[01:11]	phanes	did launch www.abuseonline.org to start documenting the shit that's been going down the last few years
[01:11]	phanes	need people to use it by sending reports to that abuse@silogroup.org email
[01:12]	phanes	our old pal matthew garrett gets to be the cornerstone
[01:12]	matey	phanes: can you think of a recent example of something worthy of a silogroup email?
[01:12]	matey	i cannot. but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist
[01:13]	phanes	matey: its for documenting serial defamation and defamation campaigns
[01:13]	matey	and the most recent one i know of is from early 2021
[01:13]	phanes	so these would be actors with a pattern of it that need a timeline presented
[01:14]	matey	has anything happened since?
[01:14]	matey	techrights used to cover this stuff
[01:14]	matey	but sometimes it goes soft
[01:14]	matey	happens to everyone
[01:14]	matey	(its not soft on the epo, to be fair)
[01:15]	phanes	yeah im looking into a prominent dev that had abusers should up to his house to intimidate him into resigning control over a fork of a major piece of software
[01:15]	phanes	*abusers show up
[01:15]	matey	youre joking about the intimidate them at home bit, yes?
[01:15]	matey	like they did to the fox news slimeball?
[01:16]	phanes	no unfortunately not, they physically attacked him at knife point
[01:16]	matey	uh what?
[01:16]	phanes	im still researching it so i dont want to make assertions like that yet
[01:16]	phanes	i only just got in contact yesterday
[01:16]	matey	that will be an interesting read
[01:16]	matey	make sure someone isnt baiting you with nonsense
[01:16]	phanes	right
[01:16]	matey	then again the way musescore has been
[01:17]	matey	hey, did you cover musescore threatening to call ICE on that dev or something?
[01:17]	matey	it was that shady
[01:17]	phanes	no, send a report to abuse@silogroup.org
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[01:17]	phanes	times, links that prove it, descriptions
[01:17]	matey	i tyhink there was commentary on github actually
[01:18]	matey	and if im linking to github, you know theres got to be reason
[01:18]	matey	as im extremely averse to it
[01:18]	matey	to a point most would consider absurd
[01:18]	phanes	no email, no publish
[01:19]	matey	fair enough
[01:19]	phanes	or as our occupational forefathers would say: "No ticket, no fix-it"
[01:19]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167552
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[01:21]	TR News	Daniel Stenberg still does not seem to get it; curl helps Microsoft entrap many users and developers and just because Microsoft keeps bribing him in all sorts of ways (several recent examples are shown above all from his blog) doesnt mean its safe to stay there http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/github-network-effect-curl/
[01:21]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Stay in Our Proprietary Prison (GitHub) and Attract Other People to This Prison, Well Give You Gifts | Techrights
[01:21]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D300.jpg
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[01:22]	DaemonFC	"In March, Rajesh Jha, the executive in charge of Office productivity software and part of the Windows operating system, told his organization to be cautious about opening new roles and to get permission from his leadership team ahead of time."
[01:22]	DaemonFC	So Office is finally starting to go south too?
[01:22]	matey	lol
[01:23]	matey	ive narroed when roy dismissed the stallmansupport website down to april 
[01:23]	matey	so he was ready to "move on" the same month (at least in irc)
[01:23]	matey	meanwhile of course he continued to publish the latest stats on the support letter-- reasonably so
[01:23]	matey	the point is-- one was about what he was publishing anyway
[01:23]	matey	the other wasnt
[01:23]	matey	thats the difference
[01:24]	matey	ah, but the support letter was positive
[01:24]	CrystalMath	matey: what is your point?
[01:24]	matey	so lets pretend this is about focusing on the positive
[01:24]	matey	which is what jono bacon used to call for-- one of roys most favouritist people
[01:24]	MinceR	23 022242 < DaemonFC> So Office is finally starting to go south too?
[01:24]	matey	#openwemoveon
[01:24]	MinceR	starting?
[01:24]	schestowitz[TR2]	april can be 6 weeks later
[01:25]	matey	april is the same month whether its 6 weeks or not
[01:25]	matey	you think the coup stopped being important 6 weeks in?
[01:25]	matey	we didnt even know half the shit there was to know about it then
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	it started in march
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	iirc, march 22nd
[01:25]	matey	you were still downplaying gnomes involvement
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	not yet set up in microsoftfortress
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	with typescreipt (mirosoft)
[01:25]	schestowitz[TR2]	signed by microsofters
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	but threats against fsf started the following day
[01:26]	matey	oh, i know what im thinking of
[01:26]	matey	the letter was in march?
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	26th?
[01:26]	matey	im thinking of the gnu.fools coup.
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	wednesday iirc
[01:26]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the rms thing was sunday night?
[01:26]	matey	the gnu.fools coup was in april
[01:26]	matey	but still
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	yeah
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	I tried not to give then attention
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	they had some site
[01:27]	matey	and you treated it as a non-story 
[01:27]	matey	right
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	I never named it, even in videos
[01:27]	matey	and i said you were downplaying the coup, which you were
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	so debian.coimmunity is going away
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	unless an appeal gets files
[01:27]	matey	it was a thatcher-like move really
[01:27]	schestowitz[TR2]	*filed
[01:27]	phanes	what happened with debian.community?
[01:28]	phanes	that ties into my pocock inquiry
[01:28]	matey	right after ibm was ruled against
[01:28]	matey	he killed the mailing list archive
[01:28]	matey	its been down ever since
[01:28]	matey	not the same day
[01:28]	matey	about a week or maybe week and a half after declaring victory in ibm slapp
[01:28]	matey	the list still worked shortly after the archive went down
[01:29]	matey	and afaik hes never mentioned what happened
[01:29]		*schestowitz[TR2] retires for the night
[01:29]	matey	pocock has (most likely) given up his crusade, for better or worse
[01:29]	matey	imo its a mixed bag
[01:29]	phanes	he said "unless an appeal gets filed"
[01:29]	phanes	that implies it wasn't his voluntary choice
[01:30]	matey	what wasnt a voluntary choice
[01:30]	matey	taking down the mailling list?
[01:30]	phanes	schestowitz[TR2]so debian.coimmunity is going away
[01:30]	phanes	schestowitz[TR2]unless an appeal gets files
[01:30]	matey	oh
[01:31]	matey	and hes not allowed to say who forced it?
[01:31]	XRevan86	https://zona.media/translate/2022/07/22/tweet
[01:31]	TR Bot	 Charged in 40 minutes. Russia's chief investigator orders immediate prosecution of a politician from Siberia over a single antiwar tweet
[01:31]	matey	i have 3 guesses
[01:32]	matey	more now
[01:32]	matey	honestly im not sure i believe this
[01:33]	matey	pocock HAS given some useful information
[01:33]	matey	hes also been pretty shit about transparency (even under the circumstances)
[01:33]	matey	"
[01:33]	matey	mixed bag" is what i really mean
[01:33]	matey	but maybe an understatement
[01:34]	phanes	yeah ive talked to him a few times trying to help the guy and he's even harder to help than roy
[01:34]	matey	roy doesnt want to be helped
[01:35]	matey	and pocock is a real mystery to m
[01:35]	matey	though the easiest way to solve pocock is to be cynical
[01:35]	matey	i want to be kinder than that fwiw
[01:35]	matey	id like a better explanation
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[01:42]	matey	april 5 is the first time crystalmath mentioned stallmansupport i think
[01:45]	matey	ROFL
[01:45]	matey	such a gem
[01:45]	matey	CrystalMath   https://stallmansupport.org/renata-avila-trying-to-understand-the-lynching-of-stallman.html     Apr 05 22:13   
[01:45]	matey	schestowitz  oh   Apr 05 22:13   
[01:45]	matey	schestowitz  added as comment   Apr 05 22:23   
[01:45]	matey	schestowitz  we try not to draw too much attention to this topic anymore   Apr 05 22:23   
[01:45]	matey	schestowitz  as that would inflame IBM   Apr 05 22:23   
[01:45]	TR Bot	 Renata Avila: Trying to Understand the Lynching of Stallman | Stallman Support
[01:45]	matey	schestowitz  they already used Fedora on Friday   Apr 05 22:23
[01:45]	matey	now the point is
[01:46]	matey	on apr 5 someone tried to bring the stallmansupport website to roys attention
[01:46]	matey	"we fight too" NO YOU DONT
[01:46]	matey	he dismissed it along bogus (arbitrary, out of his arse) lines
[01:46]	matey	on apr 5
[01:46]	matey	but now when someone posts a new article to it he mirrors it
[01:47]	matey	theres always an excuse, this wont be any different
[01:47]	matey	but i went through about 3 bullshit meters until i calibrated them (and put the fire out)
[01:47]	phanes	matey: there's an active effort to suppress the pro-stallman letter because it got twice as many sigs in less time
[01:47]	phanes	so
[01:47]	matey	thats not what this is
[01:47]	phanes	not what i mean
[01:47]	matey	imo the point is to suppress all supporters
[01:47]	phanes	he may be trying to avoid an avalanche of being targeted over it if he openly supports it
[01:48]	matey	youre at the defending roy stage of this
[01:48]	matey	i welcome you to it, i was there once
[01:48]	matey	not fair me to let others do what i did
[01:48]	matey	um, non-english
[01:48]	matey	not fair of me to not let others do what i did
[01:49]	matey	i had some real wtf moments and just dismissed them as head scratchers
[01:49]	matey	for YEARS
[01:49]	matey	so 
[01:49]	matey	anyway, this is a recurring theme
[01:49]	matey	with the stallman support website
[01:49]	matey	with systemd
[01:49]	matey	with bsd as a solution to systemd
[01:49]	matey	with the coup 
[01:50]	matey	(now occupation)
[01:50]	matey	you said you play the long game
[01:50]	matey	ive spent close to a decade making some points, but stopped when what was saying was becoming obvious to other people
[01:51]	matey	sometimes you have to leave the arena before people can start making the same points you were making
[01:51]	matey	id rather not be vindicated though
[01:51]	matey	id rather be wrong
[01:51]	matey	so its unfortunate if im not
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[01:53]	phanes	you also have to bear in mind who is hosting the network.  he's gotta stay inside his box or he could compromise his whole effort.
[01:54]	matey	like i said
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[01:55]	matey	but the big picture of course is whats happening to free software
[01:55]	matey	and fuckers rewriting history is a big part of it
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[01:55]	matey	torvalds himself attacked free software
[01:55]	matey	as "hate"
[01:55]	matey	they attacked stallman
[01:55]	matey	now they marginalise his followers by blaming then for "hero worship"
[01:56]	matey	standing up against history rewriting, isnt "hero worship"
[01:56]	matey	its integrity
[01:56]	matey	they pushed him out of lieplanet
[01:56]	matey	then they made a separate but equal lieplanet just for stallman
[01:56]	matey	that was a fucking farce
[01:56]	matey	everyone was complaining about it, they simply waved it away
[01:57]	matey	lieplanet is a trojan horse 
[01:57]	matey	they literally control the policy for all public fsf events
[01:57]	matey	not just the conference
[01:58]	matey	its not a coup anymore, its an occupation
[01:58]	matey	you can call it a coup for old times sake
[01:58]	matey	its just less accurate at this point
[01:58]	matey	if you look at fsf policy 
[01:58]	matey	fsf policy changes
[01:58]	matey	the coup never left
[01:58]	matey	occupations look different than invasions
[01:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 7.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[01:59]	matey	if you bring the troops home, but enough stay to occupy
[01:59]	matey	its not oever
[01:59]	matey	its ongoing
[01:59]	matey	lieplanet doesnt have only a coc
[01:59]	matey	they have a coc OATH 
● Jul 23
[02:00]	matey	in january, the fsf implemented a similar oath to the board itself
[02:00]	matey	and deputised the board as a cheerleading squad
[02:00]	matey	https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HappinessIsMandatory
[02:00]	TR Bot	 Happiness Is Mandatory - TV Tropes
[02:01]	matey	dont bully corporations
[02:01]	matey	valid criticism is bullying
[02:01]	matey	coporations are people, and real people are people, but corporations are more people than others
[02:02]	matey	the linux foundation handles instances of criticism of a corporation
[02:02]	matey	they treat statements about corporations just like statements about people, coc-style
[02:02]	matey	as the occupation moves forward, the fsf becomes more and more like everything it once stood against
[02:02]	matey	this. is an ex. parrot.
[02:03]	matey	and techrights has spent the past 500 days or saying
[02:03]	matey	NAW, EES JUST RESTING!
[02:03]	matey	imo if techrights cant say whats actually going on
[02:04]	matey	then someone else can, and should
[02:04]	matey	they spent 10 years downplaying systemd
[02:04]	matey	at least a year downplaying what happened at the fsf
[02:05]	matey	if we are going to bullshit, why not let the msm do the work
[02:05]	matey	slight reforms of msm might as well be msm
[02:05]	matey	theres no evidence of a real "need" to be so careful
[02:05]	matey	its fence-riding
[02:05]	matey	lets not put off readers with truth
[02:06]	matey	we can gradually introduce them to it
[02:06]	matey	and in 10 years when its all painfully obvious anyway
[02:06]	matey	we can pretend we didnt spend a decade downplaying the issue
[02:06]	matey	#wefighttoo
[02:08]	matey	meanwhile roy constantly brags about how independent and self-hosted tr is
[02:08]	matey	then he brags about transparency
[02:08]	matey	okay, so transparency + independence + not downplaying issues
[02:08]	matey	at least one of those is a lie
[02:08]	matey	maybe all three
[02:09]	matey	maybe theyre just three levers moved around constantly, which when manipulated just so, provide a sort of cloaking device
[02:10]	matey	or its like the ink a squid uses to get away
[02:10]	matey	you know whats at the centre of it, really?
[02:10]	matey	nothing. lots and lots of nothing.
[02:10]	matey	like the box that hirosan brings down in wheel of fish
[02:11]	matey	for nothing, its a lot
[02:11]	matey	but for a lot, its nothing.
[02:12]	matey	a bazillion gajillion plus negative bazillion gajillion = 0
[02:13]	matey	MINUS the time it takes to figure out youve been had
[02:14]	matey	theres an old joke, im sure youve seen it
[02:15]	matey	you attach a string to money with a clip then you put it on the ground
[02:15]	matey	today its been turned into a meme about jews but most of its history is innocent, so you can decide how important that is
[02:15]	matey	its not the swastikas fault nazis are idiots either
[02:16]	matey	most of the laws banning it are being adjusted to compensate for legitimate use. i never supported the ban
[02:16]	matey	but the thing is, its not money.
[02:16]	matey	it has no value. 
[02:16]	matey	its just bait.
[02:17]	matey	you chase after it, and thats why its funny
[02:17]	matey	in some contexts, things which appear valuable are just there to draw you in
[02:17]	matey	and thats the entire point of them
[02:18]	matey	and we all know it, but some instances are very convincing
[02:18]	matey	so we start to assume they mean something
[02:18]	matey	sometimes they dont
[02:19]	matey	but if you ever spot the string-- theres your proof
[02:21]	matey	roy says its not a string "there was a gust of wind that blew it along the ground"
[02:22]	matey	its like trying to argue with a guy running a carnival challenge
[02:24]	matey	ive seen the string. but i just say watch for it
[02:25]	matey	proving its there is impossible. take a picture: could be doctored
[02:25]	matey	get a witness: could have alterior motives
[02:26]	matey	also, there are four lights
[02:26]	matey	but at one point even started to see a fifth one
[02:34]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/the-seamonkey-internet-suite-is-still-developed-is-it-right-for-you/
[02:34]	TR Bot	 The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is still developed. Is it right for you? BaronHK's Rants
[02:34]	DaemonFC	I compared running Element for Matrix with ChatZilla for IRC.
[02:34]	DaemonFC	They're two different worlds, of course.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	"Matrix.org banned me four times in the middle of the night, and with no explanation. They didnt tell me why. It didnt even say I was banned or who did it. Just BAM and my account didnt exist on the server anymore. Ive watched their moderators at work. They designed the protocol to just say people log out and wont be active anymore when it happens. No hint that they were kicked, banned, anything. Being blac
[02:35]	DaemonFC	k-bagged anonymously is baked into the software."
[02:35]	DaemonFC	"Being taken out back and knifed caused a major upheaval for me. While I eventually created an account they havent banned, yet, I dont trust Matrix.org to handle my chats anymore.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	Especially not bridging them into IRC servers that also have their own moderation and policies. I only use IRC clients to handle IRC now so there is no middleman that can censor me and cause me to lose everything, even on other networks.
[02:35]	DaemonFC	Many people are fleeing Matrix.org and causing the protocol to fragment, as servers that supposedly decentralize and federate mutually ban each other and the whole thing falls apart into an incoherent mess where you need to run multiple tabs of Element, each one consuming hundreds and hundreds of MB of RAM, to deal with the servers warring against each other. Its completely stupid. Someone told me that Matrix.org is just another w
[02:36]	DaemonFC	ay to say Reddit, but its much worse."
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[03:02]	DaemonFC	DaemonFCtechrights-newsDaniel Stenberg still does not seem to get it; curl helps Microsoft entrap many users and developers and just because Microsoft keeps bribing him in all sorts of ways (several recent examples are shown above all from his blog) doesnt mean its safe to stay there http://techrights.org/2022/07/22/github-network-effect-curl/
[03:02]	DaemonFC	DaemonFCDon't the SJWs say that the word "crazy" is unacceptable and offensive?
[03:02]	TR Bot	 Microsoft: Stay in Our Proprietary Prison (GitHub) and Attract Other People to This Prison, Well Give You Gifts | Techrights
[03:02]	DaemonFC	mjg59_: What do you think about Microsoft paying "journalists" to call people "crazy"?
[03:04]	MinceR	maybe it's like dehomag and "master"
[03:04]	MinceR	the special people are allowed to use the word
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[03:14]	DaemonFC	I use wget, not curl.
[03:14]	DaemonFC	In most cases, wget works fine.
[03:29]	phanes	DaemonFC: do you have a link about this?  ("Microsoft paying "journalists" to call people "crazy"
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[03:32]	DaemonFC	He says nice things about GitHub on his blog and calls anyone who has issues with GitHub "crazy" and then he gets a shipment of "swag" and a check payable in money from Microsoft.
[03:33]	DaemonFC	"Say nice things about us and bad things about the FOSS community and you get money and swag!"
[03:33]	DaemonFC	Of course, it still leaves curl vulnerable to being whacked, like YouTube-DL, and the guy is such a corrupt idiot that he plays it off.
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[03:34]	DaemonFC	Continues calling people "crazy" if they don't like GitHub.
[03:35]	DaemonFC	If something is hosted on GitHub, that's a loss for everyone waiting to happen.
[03:36]	DaemonFC	Only someone who is crazy would use it.
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[04:07]	AdmFubar	m$ we break printing https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-warns-that-new-windows-updates-may-break-printing/
[04:07]	TR Bot	 Microsoft warns that new Windows updates may break printing
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[04:26]	matey	30 seconds into looking into if debian.community will be censored or not
[04:26]	matey	this appears to be all about the domain name
[04:26]	matey	personally i think debian is sleazy as fuck for this
[04:27]	matey	but i have to note that what i read in here earlier really made it sound like the website is going offline
[04:27]	matey	which it wasnt at all clear about
[04:27]	matey	and there are actually plans to keep it online (but not at the same domain)
[04:27]	matey	so either the information i just read on the debian.community website is out of date, or the information i read here is half-arsed
[04:28]	matey	of course its irc, and if i demanded my money back it could be handed to me-- for free
[04:28]	matey	still, as part of a pattern of nonsense
[04:28]	matey	its par for the course
[04:29]	matey	https://debian.community/what-is-the-price-of-a-debian-domain-name/
[04:29]	TR Bot	 What is the price of a Debian domain name?
[04:30]	matey	 The volunteers are preparing to execute contingency plans to preserve the site on a new domain.
[04:30]	matey	" Jul 22, 2022 "
[04:30]	matey	my opinion is that the facts are not as sensational as... whatever.
[04:30]	matey	of course i think sometimes pocock may do that too
[04:30]	matey	if so, theyre really doing him a favour by hitting him with these lawsuits
[04:31]	matey	because if its a narrative, theyre adding some weight to it
[04:31]	matey	"Approximately thirty Debian Developers resigned while legal action was in process. Others complain about losing motivation."
[04:32]	matey	deadian
[04:32]	matey	theyve done to debian what they did to the fsf
[04:32]	matey	its ridiculous
[04:32]	matey	more than 2 years ago i told roy "mention the war"
[04:32]	matey	he mentions it
[04:32]	matey	i should have said "cover it properly"
[04:33]	matey	"More people have become aware of their right to register domain names including the name debian and use them within the limited framework of fair use. Shutting them down will be an expensive game of whack-a-mole."
[04:33]	matey	criticism and review do fall under fair use (for copyright)
[04:33]	matey	im no expert on trademarks. im not even a copyright expert, but i know less about trademarks
[04:34]	matey	i will give them this, debian its a better brand than "we are a bunch of dicks"
[04:34]	matey	or at least, it used to be.
[04:35]	matey	Many people in Kosovo have boycotted DebConf. We previously had three women from Kosovo in Google Summer of Code and three more women from the region in Outreachy.
[04:35]	matey	i never read that on techrights
[04:35]	matey	more debian people signed the anti-stallman letter than any other group
[04:36]	matey	what exactly does debian have to do to get roys attention
[04:36]	matey	according to pocock they basically kill people
[04:36]	matey	theyre that abusive
[04:36]	matey	maybe roy doesnt care, i dont know
[04:36]	matey	i can only guess why he thinks thats not relevant to the free software movement
[04:36]	matey	the epo is like this
[04:36]	matey	debian is like the epo
[04:36]	matey	roy covers a lot of one and a little of the other
[04:37]	matey	but the comparison? he exposes one and covers for the other one.
[04:37]	matey	how very EFF-like.
[04:37]	matey	epo critic, debian shill
[04:37]	matey	maybe if debian was TWICE as bad as the epo, "we" would consider giving a shit
[04:38]	matey	im not sure it isnt. but unlike roy-- i dont know enough about the epo to make the comparison. good for him.
[04:38]	matey	debian developers should unionise
[04:38]	matey	i know, theyre volunteers
[04:39]	matey	but theyre being used like slaves
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[04:39]	matey	riseup participated in the coup, demonstrating something about the fake left that was said nearly 100 years ago
[04:40]	matey	fuck riseup
[04:40]	matey	there needs to be a REAL volunteer union
[04:40]	matey	slaves had countless uprisings against masters
[04:41]	matey	the fact that they were unpaid and lacked constitutional rights didnt stop them
[04:41]	matey	it shouldnt stop debian developers either
[04:41]	matey	of course, many debian developers, and some pretend journalists too
[04:41]	matey	are what malcolm x called 
[04:41]	matey	""house negroes"
[04:41]	matey	they have nicer lives, some even eat meals with the master
[04:42]	matey	they sleep in the masters house
[04:42]	matey	malcolm x clarified-- hes not a "house negro"-- hes a field negro
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[04:42]	matey	they have the same privileges as the people picking cotton
[04:42]	matey	because they dont sell out their brothers for a little extra comfort
[04:43]	matey	when the debian field workers stand up for themselves (as a group)
[04:44]	matey	the debian house workers will flee in shame
[04:44]	matey	all thats a big if, of course
[04:44]	matey	riseup is a fraud, a crock of shit
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[04:44]	matey	it should be called lickboots
[04:44]	matey	riseup are bootlickers
[04:44]	matey	house negroes
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[04:45]	matey	managers in field worker clothing
[04:45]	matey	frauds
[04:45]	matey	the people who know whats really going on know how full of shit they are
[04:45]	matey	i was invited years ago
[04:46]	matey	i left years ago
[04:46]	matey	like a decade ago
[04:46]	matey	what a shame to see the state its in
[04:46]	matey	fake left
[04:46]	matey	time for the real left
[04:46]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/are-we-finally-post-covid-thanks-to-paxlovid/
[04:46]	TR Bot	 Are we finally post-COVID thanks to Paxlovid? BaronHK's Rants
[04:46]	matey	when the real left shows up
[04:47]	DaemonFC	"In fact, I was recently banned from a NSFW room on a Discord server, of all places, for saying that male circumcision was basically a waste of money, and had no merit. The debate devolved into a free-for-all where I was slandered, without evidence, as an anti-vaxxer (nope), and an AIDS denier (hardly.Im a gay man and I know all too well what people are going through with HIV,...
[04:47]	DaemonFC	...knowing at...
[04:47]	DaemonFC	...least 8 people with it, although not having it myself), and all sorts of other things.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	I brought up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation experimenting on Black African people with it, by (lying and) promising that it would make them totally immune. 12 million snip and releases later. (They make it sound like theyre running a trap-neuter-return program for feral cats. Dont you love the racism?) HIV/AIDS is still one of the major problems plaguing the continent.
[04:47]	matey	all these social justice frauds will be like the television preachers if jesus actually came back
[04:47]	DaemonFC	There are no conclusive studies showing that male circumcision lowers the risk of HIV/AIDS. What lowers the risk of HIV/AIDS and where the money should be spent, are preventive measures such as condoms and PrEP medication, which work.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	The racist Gates Foundation and racists in the US federal government arent the only ones to spout this HIV/AIDS prevention bullshit as it pertains to Male Genital Mutilation. My mom told me it lowered the risk of HIV many years ago when I complained that I was circumcised as an infant without my consent. That couldnt possibly be why they did it. They had only isolated the virus that...
[04:47]	DaemonFC	...causes...
[04:47]	DaemonFC	...AIDS 15 months before I was born in 1984. People had little idea what spread it or what might protect against or prevent it. Paranoia was rampant. There wasnt even a drug that people who had it could take. The first one wouldnt be out for another three years. You cant tell me that anyone knew anything about what circumcision may or may not do in 1984 as it pertains to HIV/AIDS....
[04:47]	DaemonFC	...Dont...
[04:47]	DaemonFC	...even try!
[04:47]	DaemonFC	The simple truth about circumcision was that religious fundamentalists wanted to ruin your sex life and the whole idea was basically thought up by the guy who invented the lamest breakfast cereal ever, Corn Flakes. John Harvey Kellogg."
[04:47]	matey	"oh, uh, hey look what weve been doing!"
[04:48]	matey	"We want to ask the question: was it worth the cost to Debian? The same material will continue to be published on other domains and web sites anyway.
[04:49]	matey	"doesnt sound like pocock intends to take this lying down
[04:49]	matey	of course i dont know, what i said about him earlier is true
[04:49]	matey	heres the update ive been waiting for
[04:50]	matey	Frans Pop Debian Day suicide, Ubuntu, Google and the DEP-5 machine-readable copyright file
[04:50]	matey	Volunteers have scoured the debian-private (leaked) gossip network looking for further evidence about the Frans Pop "Debian Day" suicide.
[04:50]	matey	Yet the evidence is not there. It is in broad daylight on the debian-project mailing list.
[04:51]	matey	Saturday, 21 August 2010 Colin Watson (Ubuntu) sends a message on debian-private trying to undermine the significance of the phrase his main concern was his work for Debian. Ubuntu is trying to avoid responsibility for the death.
[04:52]	DaemonFC	I'm not sure how circumcision ruins your sex life.
[04:52]	DaemonFC	Everyone I know who is circumcised still really likes to have sex.
[04:52]	DaemonFC	People were even stranger back then, I suppose.
[04:53]	matey	Colin Watson <- part of the coup too
[04:53]	matey	and roy says ubuntu is microsoft
[04:53]	matey	he says systemd is microsoft (though he doesnt say why this is news)
[04:53]	matey	"its more obvious now" (he never said why)
[04:54]	matey	i guess its so obvious, one would just know
[04:54]	matey	you Just Know
[04:54]	matey	Friday, 13 August 2010 Lars Wirzenius announces he is going to join forces with Colin Watson (Ubuntu) and together they will push people to create machine-readable copyright files (DEP-5).
[04:54]	matey	 Lars Wirzeniu <- also coup
[04:55]	matey	Sunday, 15 August 2010 Frans Pop sends his resignation email. In hindsight, it was a suicide note.
[04:55]	matey	i know some people simply commit suicide.
[04:55]	matey	it happens. it doesnt always means theres a guilty party
[04:55]	matey	it also happens due to abuse
[04:55]	matey	the same people who used the coc to silence stallman
[04:56]	DaemonFC	It can happen due to any number of reasons.
[04:56]	matey	may have violated it enough to push someone to suicide
[04:56]	DaemonFC	Having had ample time to think about and consider it, I've come up with a lot.
[04:56]	matey	things that give corporations more power than volunteers are in and of themselves abuse
[04:56]	matey	but the abuse doesnt stop there
[04:56]	matey	and these people are the worst type of hypocrite
[04:56]	DaemonFC	Social isolation / Social exclusion / Rejection by loved ones / Relationship failure / terminal illness / boredom / despair
[04:56]	matey	policing microaggressions while they push people off proverbial cliffs
[04:57]	matey	debian isnt a gnu/linux distro
[04:57]	matey	debian is digitised hypocristy
[04:57]	DaemonFC	I mean, there's a lot of reasons why people do it.
[04:57]	matey	fucking keyboard
[04:57]	DaemonFC	Some of them watch their investment accounts get wiped out in a stock market crash.
[04:57]	matey	but whatever
[04:57]	DaemonFC	They don't even spend much time considering it.
[04:57]	DaemonFC	How they still have a home and a family and a car and a job, and they can recover someday.
[04:58]	matey	"Remarkably, Colin Watson from Ubuntu was one of the people who went to Frans' funeral. Watson had tried to diminish suggestions that Debian was a factor in the suicide. We attach the funeral report below. Perhaps he was scouting for any people or information that may tarnish Ubuntu or connect them to the pressure on Frans Pop.
[04:58]	matey	"
[04:58]	DaemonFC	Ultimately, suicidal people can't tell the difference between what they're going through now, and what could happen if they spend some time trying to solve their problem.
[04:58]	matey	i appreciate that there may be another side to the story
[04:58]	matey	there often is
[04:59]	matey	but techrights is afraid of this one
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[04:59]	DaemonFC	The terminally ill don't see how they could use the time they have left, and dying now just sort of speeds things along. They spent their whole life trying not to die.
[04:59]	matey	they could actually publish a rebuttal, if there is one.
[04:59]	DaemonFC	Then they get told they might die next year.
[04:59]	DaemonFC	Suddenly they have to die now!
[04:59]	matey	the abuse at debian continues
[04:59]	matey	or maybe what i personally saw of it was all there is
[04:59]	matey	and pocock is nuts
[04:59]	DaemonFC	The thought may not even occur to them that the doctor may be wrong, or the lab may have sent the doctor someone else's lab results, or fucked up theirs.
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[05:00]	matey	i want to know why techrights doesnt think this is important
[05:00]	matey	but then, hey
[05:00]	matey	i already know the score with that
[05:00]	matey	another day, another excuse
[05:00]	DaemonFC	There's a reason why the doctors usually run HIV tests 2-3 times before they tell someone they're certain they have HIV.
[05:00]	DaemonFC	Labs screw up.....all the time.
[05:00]	matey	debians p.r. office, right here
[05:01]	matey	    A REUSE-compliant project makes the jobs of legal experts and compliance officers much easier.
[05:01]	matey	What Lars, Colin, Ubuntu and FSFE are telling us is that we have to complete 20,000 hours of unpaid work to make life easier for some highly paid lawyers in large tech companies.
[05:02]	matey	free software has turned into slave labour
[05:02]	matey	open source is what transformed it into that
[05:02]	matey	esr is a genius alright
[05:02]	matey	hes got to be the most dumbfuck genius on the planet
[05:02]	DaemonFC	https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/jesse-white-extending-drivers-license-id-deadline-until-december/ar-AAZSnRl?li=BBnbfcL
[05:02]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MSN
[05:02]	DaemonFC	Last time he said he was only extending it through August and it would absolutely be the last time.
[05:02]	matey	you have to wonder wtf is in perens head
[05:03]	matey	to treat this with such kid gloves
[05:03]	matey	just say pocock is nuts
[05:03]	matey	if hes nuts, the rest of this is easier
[05:03]	matey	of course, if hes not
[05:03]	matey	then you just did it to stallman again
[05:03]	matey	these days, pocock does more to fight for freedom than stallman does 
[05:03]	matey	you read that correctly.
[05:03]	matey	these days, pocock does more to fight for freedom than stallman does.
[05:04]	matey	and compared to pocock-- roy does 
[05:04]	matey	NOTHING.
[05:04]	matey	like the fsf
[05:04]	matey	BUT! theres a caveat with that comparison.
[05:04]	matey	pocock may still be fake / wrong.
[05:04]	matey	and the comparison is conditional on him not being full of shit
[05:04]	matey	so good luck with that one roy.
[05:06]	matey	https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/01/msg00002.html
[05:06]	TR Bot	 Draft GR: Simplification of license and copyright requirements forthe Debian packages.
[05:06]	matey	debian has been exploiting volunteers to offload costs for a decade
[05:06]	matey	deb-sploitation
[05:07]	matey	im ashamed to have ever supported them
[05:07]	matey	debian isnt free software
[05:07]	matey	its slave software
[05:08]	matey	More significantly, some people feared that this outbreak of bureaucracy would deter new people from joining the Debian community. Debian would descend from a community of experts to a community of mediocre form-fillers. https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2010/01/msg00002.html
[05:08]	matey	roy clearly isnt convinced this is important
[05:08]	matey	maybe pocock is a fraud
[05:08]	matey	great. so expose him.
[05:09]	matey	or maybe hes not. great. so explain why this stuff isnt important.
[05:09]	matey	go ahead. 
[05:09]	matey	why is it not okay for the epo to do it
[05:09]	matey	but debian gets a pass
[05:09]	matey	its increasingly clear that the way people are treated at the epo
[05:09]	matey	at least inspires how people have been treated at debian for more than a decade
[05:09]	matey	i guess roys too smart to mix these up
[05:10]	matey	great! 
[05:10]	matey	help us understand.
[05:10]	matey	but i guess its more important if the epo does it
[05:10]	matey	after all-- as roy said
[05:10]	matey	with the epo, tr can BREAK STORIES
[05:10]	matey	i dont think thats the only important thing here
[05:10]	matey	it certainly shouldnt be.
[05:12]	matey	Subject: Re: Death of Frans Pop - funeral report
[05:12]	matey	Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 16:45:43 +0100
[05:12]	matey	From: Steve McIntyre 
[05:12]	matey	To: debian-private@lists.debian.orgSteve McIntyre <- coup
[05:13]	matey	"Ironically, one of the proponents of CUT, Asheesh Laroia, who also uses the alias Paul Proteus"
[05:13]	matey	ive seen that name somewhere too
[05:14]	matey	Asheesh Laroia <- coup https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
[05:14]	TR Bot	 Is LibrePlanet Safe?
[05:15]	matey	theres overlap between the stallman cancellers and the debian slavedrivers
[05:15]	matey	but "we move on"
[05:15]	matey	debian kills
[05:15]	matey	stallman emails
[05:15]	matey	debian lies, people die
[05:15]	matey	stallman tells the truth, he gets tortured
[05:16]	matey	techrights says "we move on"
[05:16]	matey	someday im going to get the idea that techrights IS WITH the fucking coup
[05:16]	matey	colin watson (signed) downplays what debian did
[05:16]	matey	techrights downplays what colin watson did
[05:17]	matey	someone explain this so im wrong, please
[05:17]	matey	say which part is untrue and why
[05:17]	matey	id love to know
[05:17]	matey	maybe name should be "techdies"
[05:17]	matey	because the longer techrights fights
[05:18]	matey	the more debian slaves die with no justice
[05:18]	matey	not even a mention
[05:18]	matey	not even a mention
[05:18]	matey	"we move on"
[05:18]	matey	thats great
[05:18]	matey	enjoy your retirement in your early 40s
[05:18]	matey	while you cover for debian treating people exactly like the epo does
[05:19]	matey	house negro
[05:19]	matey	who else signed with asheesh
[05:19]	matey	 Deb Nicholson
[05:20]	matey	 Neil McGovern
[05:20]	matey	 Paul R. Tagliamonte <- dpl
[05:20]	matey	 Stefano Zacchiroli <- dpl
[05:20]	matey	this wasnt the stallman letter
[05:20]	matey	this was the coups opening act https://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
[05:20]	TR Bot	 Is LibrePlanet Safe?
[05:21]	matey	all to take down stallman
[05:21]	matey	they may have killed some other developers first
[05:21]	matey	theres another name on there, which needs no introduction
[05:21]	matey	debian is a sweatshop
[05:21]	matey	debian is a fucking sweatshop
[05:22]	matey	"we move on"
[05:22]	matey	fuck perens too, hes a dickless wonder
[05:22]	matey	im tired of these hypocrites
[05:22]	matey	perens is a coward
[05:23]	matey	if he had any integrity he would be calling this shit out
[05:23]	matey	maybe he signed an nda
[05:23]	matey	he and stallman should start a club
[05:23]	matey	"founders who dont say shit because of previous obligations that have turned against them"
[05:23]	matey	whatever
[05:24]	matey	they only serve as reverse canaries
[05:24]	matey	you know, youre supposed to worry when they stop tweeting
[05:25]	matey	even if theyre not dead
[05:25]	matey	but i guess "we move on" from that too
[05:25]	matey	and anything else that isnt a fucking "scoop"
[05:25]	matey	thats a pretty goddamned lazy way to figure out whats important to say
[05:26]	matey	but if its not really about journalism
[05:26]	matey	if its just a contest for pageviews and the image of whatever
[05:26]	matey	i guess its good enough
[05:27]	matey	the debian slavekillers also cancelled stallman
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[05:27]	matey	just saying
[05:27]	matey	same people
[05:27]	matey	debian: we turn free software into slave software
[05:28]	matey	and we dont like people who tell the truth
[05:28]	matey	please roy, shill for us!
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[05:28]	matey	"cant, busy writing about some europeans doing the same shit youre doing!"
[05:28]	matey	"its a SCOOP!"
[05:29]	matey	alex gravely: not epo
[05:29]	matey	maybe he is, maybe thats a scoop too
[05:29]	matey	how does debian always get a pass? and by always i mean
[05:29]	matey	only the WORST shit they do gets a pass
[05:30]	britney	ugh matey
[05:30]	matey	ugh is a good word for it
[05:31]	matey	i realise you meant something else
[05:32]	britney	yeah the scrollback is like a mile long because of you
[05:33]	matey	only like 1% of it is cut and pasted (mostly single lines quoted)
[05:33]	britney	you certainly know how to write a wall of text
[05:33]	britney	im not going back to read it all
[05:33]	matey	one of the hallmarks of a sweatshop (the sort that makes people organise) is an unusual number of deaths
[05:34]	matey	im not going back to read it all <- i wouldnt dream of anyone doing so
[05:34]	britney	then why do you do it
[05:34]	britney	you're worse than DaemonFC's walls of text
[05:34]	britney	at least he does paragraphs
[05:34]	matey	im going to be obtuse here-- did you want me to try to add blank lines?
[05:35]	britney	are you diagnosed as being autistic?
[05:35]	matey	are you assuming one needs to be autistic to rant about something?
[05:35]	matey	have you ever seen an american filibuster?
[05:35]	britney	no but autistic people usually craft giant walls of text
[05:36]	matey	its only a wall because blank lines are not generally native to irc
[05:36]	matey	nor are paragraphs in any more
[05:36]	matey	form
[05:37]	matey	if i share something from irc with a friend, i add paragraphs or something like it
[05:38]	britney	ok
[05:38]	britney	im just going to assume you're autistic
[05:39]	matey	youre free to do so 
[05:40]	matey	i get along well enough with (some) autistic people
[05:40]	britney	im autistic
[05:40]	matey	do i get a pin or something?
[05:40]	matey	ah, cool
[05:40]	britney	no
[05:40]	matey	thats ok, i dont love pins
[05:40]	britney	lol
[05:40]	matey	sometimes they look good but theyre physically annoying to wear
[05:40]	britney	you get my respect
[05:41]	matey	theres a first time for everything
[05:41]	britney	autism master race
[05:41]	matey	i really feel that should have a pin or something
[05:41]	matey	but as i said, i wouldnt enjoy wearing it
[05:41]	britney	lol
[05:42]	matey	they sometimes put wreaths over winners of olympic-style competitions
[05:42]	matey	the asan logo reminds me of a wreath...
[05:42]	phanes	why are so many people on irc autistic lol
[05:43]	phanes	i never understood that
[05:43]	matey	irc was developed so autistic people could talk to each other
[05:43]	DaemonFC	https://www.thedailybeast.com/infamous-cult-leader-gazi-kodzo-arrested-after-dead-body-found-in-home
[05:43]	TR Bot	 Gazi Kodzo, Infamous Cult Leader, Arrested After Dead Body Found in Home
[05:43]	phanes	wasn't it a demilitarized protocol
[05:43]	phanes	id have to check the history there
[05:43]	matey	if so im even more scared that these people have access to nuclear weapons
[05:43]	DaemonFC	The black dude from those "white people owe us reparations" videos was arrested for aggravated sodomy, two counts of conspiracy to commit a felony, two counts of false imprisonment, two counts of kidnapping, two counts of aggravated assault, and two counts of criminal street gang activity after police found a dead body in his house.
[05:44]	matey	stallman license to be autistic was revoked https://www.mail-archive.com/libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org/msg04760.html
[05:44]	TR Bot	 Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?
[05:45]	matey	"well take the niggers and the jews but we dont want the irish!"-- blazing saddles
[05:45]	matey	"well take the transgenders and the two black women but we dont want the aspies!"-- new fsf
[05:46]	matey	in fairness, theres some overlap between the trans and the autists
[05:46]	matey	but i think that misses the point 
[05:47]	matey	we dont want the trouble-making aspies"
[05:47]	matey	"we want the ones that fall in line"
[05:47]	matey	"black people are welcome. we dont want the ANGRY black people"
[05:47]	matey	"which angry black people"
[05:47]	matey	"the ones who make trouble"
[05:47]	matey	"why not?"
[05:47]	matey	"they make trouble"
[05:47]	matey	"for whom?"
[05:48]	matey	"our sponsors"
[05:48]	matey	"ah, i see"
[05:48]	matey	"didnt they leave anyway?"
[05:48]	matey	"yes! we want them back!"
[05:48]	matey	considering how much time the fsf ran on grants stallman received (or so i heard the other day)
[05:49]	matey	i wonder if he was the biggest donor ever until around the time he was cancelled
[05:49]	matey	can a founder be bought out? (like against his will?)
[05:49]	britney	<matey> in fairness, theres some overlap between the trans and the autists
[05:49]	britney	yeah 25% of trans people have autism
[05:49]	britney	I'm autistic and trans
[05:49]	matey	cool
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[05:55]	matey	lately ive been on a bit of a kick try to understand some of the finer details of being trans
[05:56]	matey	not surgery or hrt, but a little bit of-- frankly, everything else
[05:56]	matey	im just stating this. i dont go around interviewing people about ut
[05:56]	matey	as i understand it, lots of people do
[05:56]	matey	"omg! whats blah blah blah like?"
[05:57]	britney	i've had surgery and i've been on hrt since 2017
[05:57]	matey	cool
[05:57]	matey	i had a hard time understanding the whole idea for many years
[05:57]	matey	i REALLY DID WANT to understand but i just didnt
[05:57]	britney	mostly you experience a lot of haters
[05:58]	matey	so it wasnt hate, but i didnt "get" it
[05:58]	britney	yeah
[05:58]	matey	then a friend of mine, fairly close
[05:58]	matey	who i ALWAYS KNEW AS (and he preferred i know him as) a dude
[05:58]	matey	came out as trans
[05:58]	matey	so it reached this point where i was like
[05:58]	matey	ok, normally i would (through no wish of mine) probably revert to thinking-- something fairly misunderstanding 
[05:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 281.06
[05:59]	matey	but i would still call him whatever he liked
[05:59]	matey	of course
[05:59]	matey	only thats not what happened
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[05:59]	matey	instead, i realised heres a guy i always knew as a guy
[05:59]	matey	and despite him telling me what i now know about his assignment at birth
[05:59]	matey	its just not relevant to me
● Jul 23
[06:00]	matey	it doesnt change my understanding of him
[06:00]	matey	at all
[06:00]	matey	this was the first time i "got it" and i was very happy 
[06:00]	matey	and people can say whatever they want about it-- but to me, hes always been / always will be a dude
[06:11]	matey	btw britney youre the first autist to diagnose me as one, so ill take it as a compliment
[06:11]	matey	in most instances ill take "one of us!" as a compliment, except when its for recruiting purposes. then it depends.
[06:12]	britney	:)
[06:12]	matey	but autists dont usually recruit, so
[06:12]	britney	we're planning world domination
[06:12]	matey	i have mixed feelings about this
[06:13]	britney	part of that is understanding who currently controls the world: reptilians and neanderthals do
[06:13]	matey	better you than the reptilians at least
[06:13]	matey	just so we are clear-- youre not joking?
[06:13]	DaemonFC	Seems like Mozilla completely stopped using NNTP Newsgroups in March 2021.
[06:13]	DaemonFC	Now they're on some GULAG Workspace.
[06:13]	britney	matey, joking about what?
[06:14]	matey	i withdraw the question 
[06:14]	matey	is this david ickes reptilians or a competing theory?
[06:14]	britney	david ickes
[06:14]	britney	https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/
[06:14]	TR Bot	 Cerberus Investigations
[06:14]	matey	i wont lie, the neanderthals portion of this is new to me
[06:14]	britney	DaemonFC, to be fair, only the insane still use NNTP
[06:14]	DaemonFC	To people who were always using Google Groups, it doesn't look much different.
[06:15]	DaemonFC	But now GULAG is in control of the whole thing.
[06:15]	matey	and im not HUGELY familiar with the reptilians part either, except its been called anti-semitic
[06:15]	DaemonFC	britneyDaemonFC, to be fair, only the insane still use NNTP
[06:15]	DaemonFC	Why?
[06:15]	matey	(but so was campbell and theres absolutely nothing about campbell that i can think of being anti-semitic)
[06:15]	britney	matey, the neanderthals are in a hive mind computation cluster (a super computer)
[06:16]	matey	a super computer cluster
[06:16]	britney	oh these reptilians are literally reptilians, they aren't an allegory for jews
[06:16]	matey	thats nice to know
[06:16]	britney	the reptilians I talk about are evolved dinosaurs from a parallel dimension
[06:17]	matey	/me tries to imagine how icke could figure this out
[06:17]	britney	icke's reptilians come from another planet
[06:17]	matey	his powers of deduction are-- not the typical calibre
[06:18]	matey	so the relationship between the reptilians and the neaderthals is what
[06:18]	matey	how do they work together
[06:18]	britney	enemies
[06:18]	matey	or are they competing factions
[06:18]	matey	oka
[06:18]	matey	are the neanderthals good? probably not if they rule the world
[06:18]	britney	they both want to run the world and are playing us like a game of chess
[06:19]	matey	right, yeah thats a dick move on their part
[06:20]	britney	neanderthals control us remotely using the medulla oblongata, reptilians control us through the media
[06:20]	matey	i take it they have very different approaches to world domin
[06:20]	matey	you clearly anticipated my question. or i your answer. or both.
[06:21]	matey	so the reptilians use the media, thats straightforward enough
[06:21]	matey	by what mechanism does a supercomputer hivemind control the medulla oblongata
[06:21]	matey	electromagnetic waves?
[06:21]	matey	quantum entanglement? unknown?
[06:22]	britney	quantum entanglement
[06:22]	matey	(gravity beam?)
[06:22]	britney	the neanderthals are under ground, in the moho discontinuity 
[06:22]	britney	reptilians mind control people using the moon
[06:23]	britney	the moon is a hollow space ship
[06:23]	matey	thats awesome
[06:24]	matey	wonderous is our great blue ship that sails around the mighty sun, bringing joy to everyone who rides along (except mincer)
[06:24]	britney	the reptilians are heating the planet because lizards like it warm
[06:24]	matey	(and most of hungary, and probably swaths of ukraine, any number of people in africa, most of north korea)
[06:25]	britney	more warm, more insects to eat
[06:25]	matey	for the reptilians
[06:26]	britney	they're putting crickets in our food
[06:26]	matey	is that bad?
[06:26]	britney	honestly, i don't know
[06:26]	matey	(its not kosher i can tell you that)
[06:26]	britney	i want to try some crickets
[06:26]	matey	(crickets will never be kosher)
[06:27]	matey	i think stallman tried them once
[06:27]	britney	like you can get something called "cricket flour" and make brownies, they'd probably taste the same as regular brownies
[06:27]	matey	oh yeah
[06:27]	matey	its an important staple in freefall
[06:28]	matey	because they havent got wheat yet, and theyre terraforming the moon or something
[06:28]	britney	i'd probably even be brave enough to eat chocolate covered crickets
[06:28]	matey	freefall.purrsia.com/
[06:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[06:31]	matey	ill have to read more about what david icke says
[06:32]	matey	for a minute i almost got him mixed up with the pyramids guy
[06:32]	matey	who has a completely different name, whatever it is
[06:33]	phanes	isn't quantum entanglement just a pick-up line?
[06:33]	britney	matey, u can download some David Icke books for free of the pirate bay
[06:34]	britney	"The biggest secret" is the one on reptilians
[06:34]	matey	for free of the pirate bay <- :)
[06:34]	britney	for free on the pirate bay
[06:34]	britney	lol
[06:34]	matey	i have never downloaded a book from the pirate bay
[06:35]	matey	i have downloaded a COUPLE books
[06:35]	matey	via "other means"
[06:35]	matey	i bet theres enough stuff on youtube to keep me abreast with the pyramid bill gates and elon musk vy for the top of
[06:35]	britney	woot woot
[06:35]	britney	here you go buddy: https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/conspiracy/David%20Icke%20-%20The%20Biggest%20Secret.pdf
[06:36]	matey	and hes not the pyramid guy i was thinking of
[06:36]	britney	the entire book for free from https
[06:36]	matey	but i guess icke has a pyramid too
[06:37]	matey	btw how long have you been to this channel? new, or 
[06:37]	matey	been here a few years?
[06:37]	britney	ummm
[06:37]	britney	i was here like 10 years ago
[06:37]	matey	that counts
[06:37]	britney	i was on the first episode of techbytes
[06:37]	matey	i first met roy about 10 years ago, but im the only one of us that can point to the evidence of that (and i dont)
[06:38]	matey	tell me about the first episode of techbytes
[06:38]	matey	im sure its online-- but what was your segment about
[06:38]	britney	i was a fedora ambassador at the time so i talked about fedora
[06:38]	matey	i wont lie, i passionately hate it
[06:38]	matey	but a lot of that is because of ibm
[06:38]	britney	you hate the podcast?
[06:38]	matey	i hate fedora
[06:38]	britney	oh fedora
[06:39]	britney	i switched from fedora to arch linux for the memes
[06:39]	matey	lol
[06:39]	britney	i use arch btw
[06:39]	matey	i think i tried a couple arch derivs
[06:39]	matey	maybe even 10 years ago
[06:39]	matey	it was more usable than i expected but i dont like rolling release
[06:40]	britney	arch linux now has a thing called "archinstall"
[06:40]	matey	whats it do
[06:40]	britney	its a TUI installer
[06:40]	matey	oh hey
[06:40]	britney	it helps you install arch
[06:41]	matey	how did you become a fedora ambassador
[06:41]	matey	/me thinks it should be called "fedora ambassadora"
[06:41]	britney	i signed up on their website after i had been hanging out in #fedora-kde on freenode
[06:42]	matey	though people would take it less seriously then
[06:42]	britney	lol!
[06:42]	matey	are you familiar with daniel pocock, and if so, do you have any opinion about him
[06:42]	britney	the name sounds vaguely familiar 
[06:43]	britney	i don't have any opinion
[06:43]	matey	he got sued for a website called "wemakefedora" by ibm
[06:43]	matey	he won the lawsuit
[06:43]	matey	thats the fedora connection
[06:43]	britney	oh shit eh
[06:43]	matey	hes a controversial figure here-- and pretty much everywhere he goes
[06:44]	britney	its probably a good thing that I stopped using fedora
[06:44]	matey	if someone told me they moved from fedora to arch
[06:44]	matey	id probably consider it at least an improvement
[06:44]	britney	i like having updates every day
[06:44]	matey	if i had to use one of the two, id probably choose arch
[06:44]	britney	what distro do you use now?
[06:45]	matey	i dont, bsd
[06:45]	britney	oh swank
[06:45]	matey	and its hilarious they consider those distros
[06:45]	britney	which BSD do you use?
[06:45]	matey	because i know theyre not GNU/LINUX distros
[06:45]	matey	but the d stands for "distribution" ffs
[06:45]	britney	they're BSD distros
[06:45]	matey	then theyre say "we arent a distro"
[06:45]	matey	no, the reject the term! but its in the freaking acronym!
[06:45]	britney	Berkley Software Distribution = BSD
[06:46]	matey	its like if i met "blessed union of souls" backstage 
[06:46]	matey	and i said "what kind of souls are you?"
[06:46]	matey	and they said "we arent souls, we reject the term"
[06:46]	britney	what BSD do you use?
[06:46]	matey	and im like: ??
[06:46]	matey	netbsd and openbsd
[06:46]	matey	mostly the latter
[06:46]	britney	theres like OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD
[06:46]	britney	helloSystem
[06:46]	matey	yeahs theres a bunch
[06:47]	matey	most are based on github, ill call all of those microsoftbsd
[06:47]	britney	ravynOS
[06:47]	matey	ravynOS - Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD.
[06:48]	matey	 :/
[06:48]	matey	GitHub - ravynsoft/ravynos: A BSD-based OS project that aims to provide ...
[06:48]	matey	im not sure thats freedom
[06:48]	britney	is github really a deal breaker for you?
[06:48]	matey	as much as it possibly can be
[06:48]	matey	i spent years getting away from microsoft
[06:49]	matey	then everybody is like "okay! lets all move in here?"
[06:49]	matey	and then microsoft buys it
[06:49]	britney	freebsd doesnt use github
[06:49]	britney	https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/
[06:49]	matey	and like 200,000 projects leave
[06:49]	TR Bot	 src - FreeBSD source tree
[06:49]	matey	and the rest... stayed?
[06:49]	matey	yeah but  https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/
[06:49]	matey	a couple things about that
[06:49]	matey	first, too many mirrors (i dont count true mirrors-- theres an openbsd mirror)
[06:50]	matey	too many "mirrors" turn into the primary development repo
[06:50]	britney	Do you use openBSD?
[06:50]	matey	yes
[06:50]	britney	you know whats really weird?
[06:50]	matey	specifically?
[06:50]	britney	if I install openbsd and enable xenodm, xorg works
[06:50]	britney	but
[06:51]	britney	if i install openbsd and disable xenodm, xorg doesnt work
[06:51]	matey	yeah because xenocara is their xorg fork
[06:51]	matey	when you say "xorg doesnt work"
[06:51]	matey	do you mean you cant start it at all?
[06:51]	britney	i run startx and it says it can't find a display
[06:51]	matey	that was not my experience
[06:51]	britney	its so weird
[06:51]	matey	however
[06:52]	matey	in some instances, if xorg.conf cant be automatically 
[06:52]	matey	you may need to add a line or two to xorg conf
[06:52]	britney	this is in gnome boxes btw
[06:52]	matey	something an arch user and former fedora user is definitely up to the task of
[06:52]	matey	this is in gnome boxes btw <- ah
[06:53]	matey	i consider any gui in qemu a miracle
[06:53]	matey	because for some distros it isnt-- but for many it is
[06:53]	britney	my freebsd install "Just Works(TM)"
[06:53]	matey	i tried freebsd first 
[06:53]	matey	i tried to install it on every computer i had
[06:53]	matey	my first impressions were good
[06:53]	matey	but when it didnt work on some machines
[06:53]	matey	i tried netbsd next
[06:54]	britney	i install freebsd, pkg install xfce and add startxfce4 to my .xinitrc and it all just works fine
[06:54]	matey	and it was more reliable across my collection
[06:54]	matey	but one machine refused to work properly (or even install properly) except with openbsd
[06:54]	matey	and tbh, i saved openbsd for last because i anticipated the most trouble with it
[06:54]	britney	freebsd even has vscode which is odd
[06:54]	matey	ew
[06:54]	matey	no everything has vscode now
[06:55]	matey	it will be in our toilets soon
[06:55]	britney	lol
[06:55]	matey	(which is where it belongs)
[06:55]	britney	i kinda like vscode
[06:55]	matey	it burns it burns
[06:55]	britney	lol
[06:55]	britney	https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/ was written in vscode
[06:55]	TR Bot	 Cerberus Investigations
[06:55]	matey	ill tell you what vscode is
[06:56]	britney	whats better than vscode? dont say vim
[06:56]	matey	vs code is when you used to date windows
[06:56]	matey	vim is microsoft <- recursive acronym
[06:56]	britney	lol vim is microsoft?
[06:56]	matey	vs code is when you used to date windows, and you break up
[06:56]	matey	vim is microsoft https://github.com/vim/vim
[06:57]	TR Bot	- vim/vim: The official Vim repository
[06:57]	matey	monopoly is bad!
[06:57]	britney	oh because of github lol
[06:57]	matey	vs code is when you used to date windows, and you break up for YEARS
[06:57]	matey	and then out of nowhere  your ex shows up and says "ive changed! im a CODE EDITOR!"
[06:57]	matey	doesnt fool me, vs code is fucking windows in code editor form
[06:57]	matey	no, no, no, no, no
[06:57]	britney	i only started using vscode because a Golang tutorial I was watching used it
[06:58]	matey	/me blames golang, even though its the tutorials fault
[06:58]	matey	hi im google-- use windows!
[06:58]	matey	so many reasons not to trust
[06:58]	britney	i haven't used windows in years
[06:58]	matey	now with vscode you dont have to
[06:58]	britney	i was using macOS from 2013 to 2020
[06:59]	matey	does it let you turn off updates?
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[06:59]	matey	i was using macOS from 2013 to 2020 <- you have some strange habits
[06:59]	britney	lol
[06:59]	britney	i had a macbook pro
● Jul 23
[07:00]	matey	ive heard less than wonderful things about the new ones
[07:01]	britney	the screen stopped working in 2020 and i got a refurbished dell from 2013
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[07:01]	matey	the screen stopped working in 2020 <- wow
[07:01]	britney	2020 to 2022 - fedora
[07:01]	britney	June 2022 - arch linux
[07:01]	matey	and you just switched to 
[07:01]	matey	yeah
[07:01]	matey	so you used fedora 10 years ago
[07:01]	matey	then macos
[07:01]	matey	then fedora
[07:01]	matey	then arch
[07:01]	britney	yeah
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[07:04]	matey	whats the best thing about moving from fedora to arch
[07:04]	matey	other than daily updates!
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[07:04]	britney	the speed
[07:04]	britney	it feels a lot faster than fedora
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[07:04]	DaemonFC	https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/direct3d-to-vulkan-layer-dxvk-version-1102-is-up-with-lots-of-fixes/
[07:04]	TR Bot	to Vulkan layer DXVK version 1.10.2 is up with lots of fixes | GamingOnLinux
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[07:04]	DaemonFC	This is in updates-testing.
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[07:04]	DaemonFC	Might try it out in a bit. 
[07:04]	matey	 it feels a lot faster than fedora <- that doesnt surprise me
[07:04]	matey	when i put debsploitation on a machine in an office once
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[07:05]	matey	they were complaining that their windows machine was very slow
[07:05]	matey	and they said i could do whatever i wanted
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[07:05]	matey	and i asked what tasks they do
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[07:05]	matey	so this was a rare instance where i could put anything on there and no one would care
[07:05]	DaemonFC	Fedora seems to perform better than Debian on this laptop.
[07:06]	DaemonFC	Not surprising. I had a lot of things complaining about my graphics drivers on Debian.
[07:06]	matey	i put debsploitation on there and the girl (well, shes a mum) hugged me and said
[07:06]	matey	"its so much faster!"
[07:06]	DaemonFC	Although it mostly worked.
[07:06]	matey	this was the lxde version 
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[07:08]	DaemonFC	Something destroyed my copy of Fallout New Vegas.
[07:08]	DaemonFC	Oh well.
[07:08]	DaemonFC	I'll fix it later.
[07:09]	matey	graham hancock
[07:09]	matey	the pyramid guy
[07:09]	britney	matey, nice
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[07:13]	matey	"His information is mostly correct" https://allreligionsareone.org/David%20Icke.html
[07:13]	TR Bot	 David Icke
[07:13]	matey	im not necessarily agreeing with the source, only noting what it says
[07:13]	matey	that website seems like a cross between a conspiracy website and tvtropes
[07:13]	matey	conspiracy tropes
[07:14]	matey	funnily enough, many years ago i considered making an online encyclopedia of stuff like that
[07:14]	matey	mostly about religions and cults
[07:14]	matey	today it would probably be redundant
[07:17]	phanes	man that was a bullshit outage
[07:19]	matey	hi phanes
[07:19]	phanes	sup
[07:20]	matey	https://debian.community
[07:20]	TR Bot	 Debian Community News
[07:20]	phanes	why the hell am i doing major changes on a friday
[07:20]	matey	updates july 22
[07:20]	phanes	this is retarded
[07:20]	matey	s/s//
[07:20]	phanes	anyway i dont understand the context for debian.community because nobody answers me when i ask about it
[07:21]	matey	ask me
[07:21]	matey	ill tell you whatever i know
[07:21]	matey	and ill admit whatever i dont
[07:21]	phanes	yeah gimme a sec, i need to be drinking
[07:21]	matey	good idea (ill wait)
[07:22]	phanes	hell yeah i got two half finished bottled of balvenie doublewood
[07:22]	phanes	*bottles
[07:23]	phanes	anwyay so whts the scoop on this pocock guy, like how did this start
[07:24]	matey	i dont know how it started
[07:24]	matey	i can bring you in where i came in
[07:24]	matey	hes a debian / fedora guy afaik
[07:25]	matey	he was a dd but got busted down to dm (other way around?) which he says was retaliatory
[07:25]	matey	roy has republished him, ariadne hates him
[07:25]	matey	mjg seethes pure hate you can feel over plaintext for him
[07:26]	matey	i dont think its my imagination but it cant be ruled out of course
[07:26]	TR News	FFmpeg 5.1 Riemann LTS Released with VDPAU AV1 Hardware Acceleration, New Filters Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167553
[07:26]	TR Bot	 FFmpeg 5.1 Riemann LTS Released with VDPAU AV1 Hardware Acceleration, New Filters | Tux Machines
[07:26]	matey	i dont think mjg usually seethes anything, so this is notable
[07:26]	matey	like how superman is suddenly way less cool when you bring kryptonite around
[07:27]	matey	but there are times even i think he goes too far
[07:27]	matey	he basically called for people to swat molly deblanc
[07:27]	matey	which i did not agree with
[07:28]	phanes	he mostly just scuttles around in the shadows when im around, sticks his pincers in from the dark to see if he can catch anything
[07:28]	matey	and you can say im exaggerating, please feel free to, but its one of those "close enough imo" deals
[07:28]	matey	he mostly just scuttles around in the shadows when im around <- mjg?
[07:28]		*phanes makes clicking sounds and demonstrates pincers with his hands
[07:28]	phanes	yeah
[07:28]	phanes	i see angry wounded child
[07:29]	phanes	but anyway pocock
[07:29]	phanes	why does mjg hate pocock
[07:29]	matey	its mutual
[07:29]		*schestowitz[TR2] retires for the nightgulag inc.
[07:29]	matey	mjg is a debian / red hat guy
[07:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	oops
[07:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	gulag inc.
[07:30]	matey	hi roy, debian is a sweatshop like the epo
[07:30]	matey	they dont make free software, they make slave software
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	a lot of the early postings revealed how gulag was censoring mailing lists
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	and how gulaag summer of labour misused projects
[07:30]	matey	obviously this is about google, NOT debian
[07:30]	matey	its never about debian
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	mixture of things
[07:30]	matey	except when it isnt important
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	but anyway, some people make a living by licking the corporate boot
[07:30]	matey	debian must be a dupont product like teflon
[07:30]	schestowitz[TR2]	I'm not one of them
[07:31]	schestowitz[TR2]	guess who has an easier life
[07:31]	matey	#wefighttoo
[07:31]	matey	phanes: ill tell you how i came to (not really) know pocock is this
[07:31]	matey	i mean i really DONT know him
[07:31]	matey	at least his passion seems very sincere
[07:31]	matey	his intentions? i dont fucking know
[07:32]	matey	carl sagan couldnt touch his hyperbole or passionate embrace of the subject matter
[07:32]	TR News	Switching to Vger on FreeBSD gemini://kwiecien.us/gemlog/202207230740.gmi
[07:32]	matey	BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of something
[07:33]	matey	but hes the one that showed there was censorship of stallman supporters on the gnu mailing lists
[07:33]	matey	in sept 2019 or thereabouts
[07:33]	matey	before that-- it looked like fsfe was the main evil in fsf land
[07:34]	matey	someone (we dont know) faked stallmans resignation from gnu, which reminded me of the bush fraud in 2000
[07:34]	matey	fox made it look like he was president accidentally
[07:34]	matey	like that didnt affect the election
[07:34]	matey	i mean they accidentally played the "winner" clip
[07:34]	matey	before it was true
[07:34]	matey	does everyone vote anyway after seeing that? on the way to the polls
[07:35]	matey	who knows
[07:35]	matey	microsoft gave a million dollars to his campaign
[07:35]	phanes	matey: any idea what is moviations with debian are?
[07:35]	matey	his motivations? 
[07:35]	matey	i mean
[07:35]	matey	he attacks debian more than any person ive ever seen attack debian
[07:35]	matey	hes mel gibson from braveheart. of debian.
[07:36]	matey	fedora gets the same treatment
[07:36]	matey	hes a machine man
[07:36]	matey	a machine
[07:36]	matey	im sort of in awe, but im not sure what to think
[07:36]	matey	i believe-- even from people who DONT like him
[07:36]	matey	that some of what he says is true, relevant, and matters
[07:36]	matey	and which part? thats what i dont know
[07:37]	matey	kind of a pity
[07:37]	matey	but holy hell what a list of leads 
[07:37]	matey	you could shove your face right into it like scarface
[07:37]	matey	and you really do get the impression that debian is pure evil
[07:38]	matey	i personally thought it was about 33% evil
[07:38]	phanes	oh there is no arguing that there are grotesque elements in debian
[07:38]	matey	up from 23% in 2014
[07:38]	matey	i used to be a passionate debian fan btw
[07:38]	matey	never thought id need another distro. until 2014 :/
[07:38]	matey	used to give away debian computers
[07:39]	matey	collected them too
[07:39]	phanes	as much clashing as i do, debian is one of the few communities ive never even considered being a part of due to its culture
[07:39]	matey	debsploitation should be a word
[07:39]	matey	debian is a plantation
[07:40]	matey	i finally gave up on bruce perens today
[07:40]	matey	fuck it
[07:40]	matey	he did write a really great public email in 1999
[07:41]	matey	still a favourite
[07:41]	matey	https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/02/msg01641.html
[07:41]	TR Bot	 It's Time to Talk About Free Software Again
[07:41]	phanes	so
[07:41]	phanes	i mean
[07:41]	phanes	it sounds like he's been dumping on debian for years
[07:41]	matey	and fedora
[07:42]	phanes	and alot of debian people are mad at him
[07:42]	matey	to say the least
[07:42]	matey	debian also #1 group signing the anti-rms letter
[07:42]	phanes	but are they mad at him because they're people he's exposing or are they mad at him from the disruptions?
[07:42]	matey	i counted 108
[07:42]	matey	 <phanes> but are they mad at him because they're people he's exposing or are they mad at him from the disruptions? <- great question
[07:43]	matey	 <matey> i counted 108 <- a gnu contributor counted closer to 130 debian people. but i thought i got them all
[07:43]	matey	thats 108 out of roughly 3000
[07:43]	matey	including a slew of dpls
[07:44]	matey	including people who presided over the systemd takeover / death of debian
[07:44]	matey	but not to change the subject
[07:44]	matey	i dont know who is more full of shit
[07:44]	matey	pocock or the debian people
[07:44]	matey	if i had to guess, the debian people, of course
[07:44]	matey	but its still a guess
[07:45]	matey	its possible hes not full of shit at all, but ive certainly seen the dark side
[07:46]	matey	his methods are almost comically anti-authoritarian
[07:46]	matey	and im anti-authoritarian
[07:46]	matey	but then its easy to say that
[07:46]	matey	you just press these keys in a sequence, and voila
[07:46]	phanes	so whats all this about debian.community going away unless they file an appeal
[07:47]	matey	oh thats what pisses me off
[07:47]	matey	rather the insinuation that it was going away
[07:47]	matey	its not, i dont think
[07:47]	matey	the page clearly states-- near the top
[07:47]	matey	debian.community has contingency plans
[07:48]	matey	and volunteers (even if thats just coded language for pocock, hes an army of one)
[07:48]	matey	working to move it to other domains
[07:48]	matey	this is SOLELY about the domain name
[07:48]	matey	its notable of course, if ibm tries that and fails
[07:48]	matey	and debian tries that and succeeds
[07:48]	matey	that means debian can "protect their trademark" more than ibm can
[07:48]	matey	wtf does that mean...
[07:48]	matey	how
[07:49]	matey	its like someone brings a giant death star in 
[07:49]	matey	and vader says "i have a death star"
[07:49]	phanes	yeah the last thing you'd want in a PR campaign is for someone like that to become decentralized
[07:49]	matey	and vader dundee says "thayts not a death stah"
[07:49]	matey	"THAYTS a death stah"
[07:49]	phanes	from debian's view i mena
[07:49]	phanes	*mean
[07:50]	phanes	its a poor strategic choice on their part to try to shut it down
[07:50]	matey	debian doesnt like strategy
[07:50]	matey	they like to just beat your face in with their dicks
[07:50]	matey	it certainly convinced me to stop supporting them
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[07:53]	matey	i like that they have a logo that looks like something being flushed down a toilet
[07:53]	matey	i think it represents their credibility
[07:54]	matey	if pocock is right though
[07:55]	matey	then debian kills
[07:55]	matey	it works people to death and then it thoughtpolices their funerals
[07:55]	matey	i wont deny i have some trouble believing the scope of this
[07:55]	matey	but thats also how pure evil works, so its not not an easy litmus test
[07:55]	matey	either theyre pure evil, or theres hyperbole
[07:56]	matey	and if its hyperbole, how much evil is there? 80% 33%?
[07:56]	matey	they amount they tend to get away with stays around 100%
[07:56]	matey	for now
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[07:59]	britney	matey, pocock has github
[07:59]	britney	https://github.com/dpocock
[07:59]	TR Bot	(Daniel Pocock) GitHub
[07:59]	matey	oh he uses a lot of things i dont approve of
[07:59]	matey	the github account only means id rather not use any of his software if i can help it
[07:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: was it you who told me he likes sytemd?
● Jul 23
[08:00]	matey	i dont know or understand his position on systemd
[08:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	ok
[08:00]	matey	i dont think he hates it though
[08:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	you got me thinking maybe he said glowing things about its capability
[08:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	matey: btw, good news
[08:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	this morning
[08:00]	matey	id need to be quoted to explain what i said
[08:00]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can see in #boycottnovel
[08:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	we've deployed to the new tuxmachines via git
[08:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	self-0hosted by tuxmachines domain
[08:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	and the site is now running there
[08:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	but password-protected for now
[08:01]	matey	okay
[08:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	we're testing as it's a new CMS we made
[08:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	no systemd
[08:01]	schestowitz[TR2]	just alpine
[08:01]	matey	no systemd is an upgrade
[08:02]	matey	no debian would be if it wasnt fedora before
[08:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	I'll register git.tuxmachines.org in DNS
[08:02]	schestowitz[TR2]	it's the same address
[08:03]	matey	/me closes his eyes and sees the matrix
[08:03]	matey	/me opens them again and sees irc
[08:05]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can make irc clients look like The Matrix
[08:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	ok, git.tuxmachines.org and beta.tuxmachines.org registered now
[08:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	techrights git is separate
[08:06]	matey	shit reminds me of the matrix enough alrady
[08:06]	schestowitz[TR2]	so all the files will be managed via git
[08:06]	matey	thats a good idea
[08:07]	matey	phanes: this frans pop guy suicided on the anniversay of debians founding
[08:07]	matey	either he was extremely fragile, extremely abused, or both
[08:08]	matey	i would leave this alone completely
[08:08]	matey	except for the abuse possibility
[08:08]	matey	that cant go unmentioned
[08:08]	matey	the extremely fragile part is in fairness
[08:08]	matey	because simply accusing people of something doesnt make it so
[08:08]	matey	it also has to be true, obviously
[08:09]	matey	not merely honest-- it also has to be true
[08:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	iirc, it wasn't on debian day exactly
[08:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	but a day or days apart
[08:09]	schestowitz[TR2]	the problekm is, posthumously assuming stuff
[08:10]	schestowitz[TR2]	where you cannot be refuted by those who know best
[08:10]	matey	im going to make up a figure and guess that at least 99% of murders are "assumed" posthumously
[08:10]	TR News	My week in KDE: slow but steady Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167554
[08:10]	TR Bot	 My week in KDE: slow but steady | Tux Machines
[08:10]	matey	just saying
[08:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	this is disffent from murder
[08:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	why?
[08:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	because in murder the murdere is alive
[08:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	with suicide the receiver and deliverer are the same
[08:11]	phanes	it needs to be verifiable or plainly obvious in the details
[08:11]	schestowitz[TR2]	so motives cannot be interrogated for
[08:12]	matey	The Debian Project has lost a member of its community. Frans Pop (fjp) died on August 20th.
[08:12]	phanes	no they can't
[08:12]	phanes	but they can lead to other facts that can
[08:12]	matey	if someone is bullied into suicide
[08:12]	matey	which politically i consider a VERY delicate and somewhat nuanced issue
[08:13]	matey	the "culprits" and the "trigger guy" arent necesssarily the same
[08:13]	matey	but youre missing a HUGE point as far as investigations go
[08:13]	matey	so large i almost cant believe it, except its you
[08:14]	matey	interrogations arent necessary to solving every murder case
[08:14]	matey	sometimes you can get by entirely on forensics
[08:14]	matey	or witnesses
[08:14]	matey	without interrogation
[08:14]	matey	im not saying its useless-- im saying if its not possible, its not always ncessary
[08:14]	matey	you can SOLVE a murder case with no interrogations
[08:15]	matey	and you can also solve a murder without getting a single word out of the killer
[08:16]	matey	debian was founded on august 16th
[08:17]	matey	so roy is correct that frans didnt die on the exact day
[08:17]	matey	but 4 days later on the 20th
[08:17]	matey	i declared gnu dead on its birthday
[08:17]	matey	it wasnt intentional
[08:17]	matey	the date-- whether you believe that or not
[08:18]	matey	i knew it was around that time (a coincidence) but i didnt realise it was the same day
[08:21]	matey	im not sure if pocock is qualified to make this statement so confidently
[08:21]	matey	"Pop's resignation note was written on 15 August, the night before Debian's anniversary. He was clearly thinking about taking his life on the anniversary of Debian's founding, Debian Day."
[08:21]	matey	"He was clearly"
[08:21]	matey	i think the word hes looking for is perhaps or possibly
[08:22]	matey	"If Debian was sincere in their sympathy for Frans Pop, they would never impose psychological tortures on any other developer. Their refusal to admit or even acknowledge the possibility of a connection with these deaths is the ultimate insult to Frans Pop, Lucy Wayland, other victims and their families."
[08:22]	matey	https://debian.community/coroner-report-lucy-wayland-debian-abuse-culture/
[08:22]	TR Bot	 Coroner's Report: Lucy Wayland & Debian Abuse Culture
[08:23]	matey	we should really start tracking the death tolls of free software projects
[08:23]	matey	id rather do it with integers, not names, personally
[08:23]	matey	which distro has the highest suicide rate among developers
[08:23]	DaemonFC	mateyand vader says "i have a death star"
[08:23]	matey	if it counts at foxconn, it might count in free software
[08:23]	matey	this isnt a joke btw
[08:23]	DaemonFC	Vader was unimpressed by the Death Star.
[08:24]	matey	and it would be responsible to account for the number of developers
[08:24]	DaemonFC	He referred to it as a "technological terror" but said "it pales" in comparison to The Force.
[08:24]	matey	like if debian had 100,000 devs, then of course its going to have more suicides than tinycore.
[08:24]	matey	that should be accounted for
[08:24]	matey	suicides per number of devs
[08:25]	matey	this is beneath techrights of course
[08:25]	matey	its too base a topic
[08:25]	matey	lets talk about kde neon
[08:26]	matey	(i dont know if kde neon ever killed any of its developers)
[08:26]	matey	coca cola kills its farmers http://killercoke.org
[08:26]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[08:26]	matey	this is a website stallman promotes
[08:26]	matey	he also boycotts coca cola products
[08:27]	matey	if you bring him a dasani, he will politely ask you to bring any other brand of water or even tap water instead
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[08:29]	matey	"As we approach the third anniversary of Lucy Wayland (aardvark)'s death, we want to consider the possibility that Debian contributed to the death."
[08:31]	matey	Lucy Wayland was a Senior Applications Engineer at ARM in Cambridge, UK. Wayland was placed in the lowest rank in Debian: the title Debian Contributor.
[08:31]	matey	he compares this to the debian project leaders girlfriends rank, despite her bringing no technical skills to the table at all
[08:33]	matey	the amount of nepotism-- the SCALE of it, at debian
[08:33]	matey	does seem staggering, and helps explain its downfall
[08:33]	matey	its not a conspiracy, so much as its incest
[08:33]	matey	that was certainly enough to bring down the hapsburgs, why not debian as well
[08:41]	matey	i imagine the one about diameter in particular is bullshit, but this is a fun read https://jaba.jabajabba.com/earths-moon-is-a-hollow-space-station-the-evidence/
[08:41]	TR Bot	 Earth's Moon is a Hollow Space Station: The Evidence Jabajabba | Reading Archive
[08:42]	matey	this is more fun than flat earth
[08:43]	matey	Greek authors Aristotle and Plutarch, and Roman authors Apollonius Rhodius and Ovid all wrote of a group of people called the Proselenes who lived in the central mountainous area of Greece called Arcadia. The Proselenes claimed title to this area because their forebears were there before there was a moon in the heavens. [6]
[08:43]	matey	This claim is substantiated by symbols on the wall of the Courtyard of Kalasasaya, near the city of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, which record that the moon came into orbit around the Earth between 11,500 and 13, 000 years ago, long before recorded history.
[08:43]	matey	"the moon came into orbit around the Earth between 11,500 and 13, 000 years ago"
[08:44]	matey	"Zulu Shaman Credo Mutwa said that Zulu legends believe the Moon to be hollow and the home of the Python or Chitauri"
[08:44]	matey	probably still better than python 3
[08:44]	britney	before there was a moon in the heavens.
[08:45]	britney	so before the reptilians parked their space ship
[08:45]	matey	"Credo Mutwa claims that the Earth was very different then it is now before the Moon had arrived. There werent any seasons and the planet was perpetually engulfed by a canopy of water vapor. People did not feel the strong glare of the Sun that we do now, and they could only see it through a watery mist. "
[08:45]	matey	People did not feel the strong glare of the Sun that we do now, and they could only see it through a watery mist. <- sounds like belfast
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[08:53]	matey	https://jaba.jabajabba.com/the-number-1-tool-for-dumbing-down-the-general-population/
[08:53]	TR Bot	 The Number 1 Tool for Dumbing Down the General Population Jabajabba | Reading Archive
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[08:54]	matey	If you dont read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed.-- mark twain
[08:54]	TR News	This week in KDE: Tons of UI improvements and bugfixes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167555
[08:54]	TR Bot	 This week in KDE: Tons of UI improvements and bugfixes | Tux Machines
[08:55]	TR News	Top 10 Best Music Players for Linux in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167556
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Top 10 Best Music Players for Linux in 2022 | Tux Machines
[08:55]	TR News	10 Fun Free and Open Source ASCII Games - Part 2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167557
[08:55]	TR Bot	 10 Fun Free and Open Source ASCII Games - Part 2 | Tux Machines
[08:55]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167558
[08:55]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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[09:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[09:38]	matey	so this is fun
[09:40]	matey	i guess in another dimension http://thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/story the john lennon song "nobody told me" is a beatles song called "days like these" http://thebeatlesneverbrokeup.com/
[09:40]	TR Bot	 The Story of the Tape
[09:40]	TR Bot	 The Beatles Never Broke Up...
[09:40]	matey	strange story indeed
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[09:41]	matey	maybe jackie wilson has a song called "van morrison said"
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[10:14]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Friday, July 22, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/irc-log-220722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/irc-log-220722/
[10:14]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Friday, July 22, 2022 | Techrights
[10:23]	TR News	"Recently we upgraded our Prometheus server from Ubuntu 18.04 to 22.04, moved it to new hardware" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/PrometheusMovingTSDBWithRsync | Source: uni Toronto
[10:23]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/PrometheusMovingTSDBWithRsync
[10:23]	TR News	"There's probably a way to do this in Apache with the right set of directives" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/ApacheNestedAccessBruteForce | Source: uni Toronto
[10:23]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/ApacheNestedAccessBruteForce
[10:24]	TR News	"No, not that Duke Nukem game I mean the platformer." https://www.talospace.com/2022/07/tonights-game-on-openpower-duke-nukem-ii.html | Source: Talospace
[10:24]	TR Bot	 Tonight's game on OpenPOWER: Duke Nukem II
[10:25]	TR News	"Im not a huge fan of dark UI themes." https://www.tumfatig.net/2022/sweet-mars-inspired-theme-for-windowmaker/ | Source: TuMFatig
[10:25]	TR Bot	 TuM'Fatig - Sweet Mars inspired theme for WindowMaker
[10:27]	TR News	"Ive been confused about whats going on with terminals for a long time." https://rubenerd.com/jeff-geerlings-all-flash-nas/ | Source: Ruben Schade
[10:27]	TR Bot	Jeff Geerlings all-flash NAS
[10:27]	TR News	"Were landing in St James Quarter, which is tucked away in the New Town area of Edinburgh." https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/were-coming-to-edinburgh/ | Source: Raspberry Pi
[10:27]	TR Bot	 We're coming to Edinburgh! - Raspberry Pi
[10:28]	TR News	"Gitea is the software weve decided to put our faith into" https://code.blender.org/2022/07/gitea-diaries-part-1/ |
[10:28]	TR Bot	 Gitea Diaries: Part 1 Blender Developers Blog
[10:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	gitea
[10:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	looked into it
[10:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	a large chain of deps
[10:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	hosting git ui over gemini is better
[10:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	we'll set up tuxmachines that way
[10:28]	schestowitz[TR2]	first gemini support added
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	then we'll linkk git.tuxmachines.org tto gemini.tuxmachines.org
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	so you can browser the repo
[10:29]	schestowitz[TR2]	like in Techrights
[10:29]	TR News	Thoughts on RSS https://idiomdrottning.org/re-thoughts-on-rss | Source: Idiomdrottning
[10:29]	TR Bot	 Re: Thoughts on RSS
[10:30]	TR News	"This tutorial will teach you how to use MongoDB databases with the Go programming language" https://earthly.dev/blog/use-mongo-with-go/ | Source: Earthly
[10:30]	TR Bot	 How to Use MongoDB with Go - Earthly Blog
[10:31]	TR News	"We love naming generations and ascribing vices and virtues to them. Boomers. Millenials. Zoomers." https://www.datagubbe.se/hcg/ | Source: Carl Svensson
[10:31]	TR Bot	Home Computer Generation | datagubbe.se
[10:31]	TR News	"I feel that we who went through edit autoexec.bat, notepad index.html" https://idiomdrottning.org/generations | Source: Idiomdrottning
[10:31]	TR Bot	 Talking about my generation
[10:36]	TR News	"The problem, as Im sure you have guessed, is some sort of stupid bug in what passes for web development" https://www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2022/07/17/modern-technology-please-stop-trying-to-be-helpful/ | Source: Positech Games
[10:36]	TR Bot	 Modern Technology: Please stop trying to be helpful Cliffski's Blog
[10:37]	TR News	"The problem with this is that let and if are also injected, not just it." https://idiomdrottning.org/guile-defmacro | Source: Idiomdrottning
[10:37]	TR Bot	 A problem with Guile's defmacro
[10:37]	TR News	"The academic experimental results are very promising, but achieving widespread adoption of CHERI needs an industry-scale evaluation" https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2022/07/22/formal-cheri/ | Source: Light Blue Touchpaper
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Formal CHERI: rigorous engineering and design-time proof of full-scale architecture security properties | Light Blue Touchpaper
[10:38]	TR News	"My experience has shown that serious issues are almost always known issues at the time of shipping." https://techreflect.net/2022/07/just-admit-qa-was-right/ | Source: Tech Reflect
[10:38]	TR Bot	 Just admit QA was right - Tech Reflect
[10:39]	TR News	"My request was pretty easy," https://jpmens.net/2022/07/19/a-human-and-a-spreadsheet/ | Source: Jan Piet Mens
[10:39]	TR Bot	 Jan-Piet Mens :: A human and a spreadsheet
[10:40]	TR News	"developers using this workflow on native git and GitHub can run into problems." https://matt-rickard.com/stacked-pull-requests/ | Source: Matt Rickard
[10:40]	TR Bot	 Stacked Pull Requests
[10:41]	TR News	"The alternative to Stacked Pull Requests is Stacked Commits.The alternative to Stacked Pull Requests is Stacked Commits." https://benjamincongdon.me/blog/2022/07/17/In-Praise-of-Stacked-PRs/ | Source: Ben Congdon
[10:41]	TR Bot	 In Praise of Stacked PRs | Ben Congdon
[10:41]	TR News	"So, I should probably make it official. The Perl Advent Calendar is back once again in 2022." https://www.olafalders.com/2022/07/21/the-perl-advent-calendar-2022-call-for-papers-is-now-open/ | Source: Olaf Alders
[10:41]	TR Bot	Perl Advent Calendar 2022 Call for Papers Is Now Open - olafalders.com
[10:42]	TR News	"UFC distributor Joe Hand Promotions regularly goes after bars and restaurants that show fights to customers without paying" https://torrentfreak.com/ufc-boxing-distributor-uses-copyright-claims-board-to-target-pirating-bars-220722/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[10:42]	TR Bot	& Boxing Distributor Uses Copyright Claims Board to Target 'Pirating' Bars * TorrentFreak
[10:43]	TR News	IPTV https://torrentfreak.com/uk-pirate-iptv-sellers-receive-in-person-warnings-from-police-fact-220722/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[10:43]	TR Bot	Pirate IPTV Sellers Receive In-Person Warnings From Police Officers & FACT * TorrentFreak
[10:44]	TR News	"The internet has changed the way we communicate" https://fair.org/counterspin/nora-benavidez-on-post-roe-data-privacy-dorothee-benz-on-january-6-insurrection/ | Source: FAIR
[10:44]	TR Bot	 Nora Benavidez on Post-Roe Data Privacy, Dorothee Benz on January 6 Insurrection - FAIR
[10:44]	TR News	Starting My Smartphone Free Life! https://odysee.com/@LinuxLounge:b/starting-my-smartphone-free-life!:9 Source: LinuxLounge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@LinuxLounge:b/starting-my-smartphone-free-life!:9
[10:44]	TR Bot	 Starting My Smartphone Free Life!
[10:45]	TR News	Looters https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/07/20/26-top-billionaires-paid-an-average-income-tax-rate-of-just-4-8/
[10:45]	TR Bot	 26 top billionaires paid an average income tax rate of just 4.8% neritam
[10:47]	TR News	Social CONTROL media and tourists https://rubenerd.com/social-media-and-tourism/ | Source: Ruben Schade
[10:48]	TR Bot	Social media and tourists
[10:48]	TR News	"It's been a long time since the altruistic early webputting content out there for the its own sake." https://ericwbailey.design/writing/saying-thank-you/ | Source: Eric Bailey
[10:48]	TR Bot	 Saying thank you Eric Bailey
[10:49]	TR News	He's leaving for London https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/oleksandr-zinchenko-s-city-highlights-63793943
[10:49]	TR Bot	 Oleksandr Zinchenko's City highlights
[10:52]	TR News	But he still carries around a tracking device https://odysee.com/@LinuxLounge:b/starting-my-smartphone-free-life!:9
[10:55]	TR News	"The spacecraft is sending data up to 57 gigabytes (GB) of data per day back to Earth" https://cacm.acm.org/news/262735-the-webb-space-telescopes-profound-data-challenges/fulltext | Source: ACM
[10:55]	TR Bot	 The Webb Space Telescope's Profound Data Challenges | News | Communications of the ACM
[10:56]	TR News	"This last week, Popcorn Computer announced that they have commenced production on their hand-held Pocket PC with the pocket-sized computer" https://lunduke.substack.com/p/a-new-linux-powered-pocket-pc-has | Source: Bryan Lunduke
[10:56]	TR Bot	 A new, Linux-powered Pocket PC has started production
[10:58]	TR News	"How much have you spent on Amazon? Well, thats a kind of interesting question to find an answer to." https://earthly.dev/blog/analyze-amzndata-pyth/ | Source: Earthly
[10:58]	TR Bot	 Analyze Your Amazon Data with Python - Earthly Blog
[10:58]	TR News	"it seems clear that Googles Fuchsia team still has plans to grow beyond the smart home" https://9to5google.com/2022/07/15/android-removes-fuchsia-code-starnix/ | Source: 9to5Google
[10:58]	TR Bot	removes Fuchsia code as Starnix project progresses - 9to5Google
[10:58]	TR News	"Microsoft feeling threatened by Netscape" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/19/windows-is-still-just-a-poorly-debugged-set-of-device-drivers/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer)
[10:58]	TR Bot	 Windows is still just a poorly debugged set of device drivers. BaronHK's Rants
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[10:59]	TR News	Banana Pi router dev board is equipped with Rockchip RK3588, dual GbE and 8GB RAM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167522#comment-34417
[10:59]	TR Bot	 Banana Pi BPI-W3 - An RK3588 SBC with dual Gigabit Ethernet, SATA, PCIe x4 slot | Tux Machines
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[11:07]	TR News	"The study estimates that about 19% of all households are affected without being aware of the problem. The majority of the affected devices are inexpensive Internet of things devices" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/ip-data-retention-is-no-option-ipv6-addresses-can-be-unique-and-persistent-tracking-identifiers-a-new-study-finds/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
[11:07]	TR Bot	 IP data retention is no option: IPv6 addresses can be unique and persistent tracking identifiers a new study finds Patrick Breyer
[11:07]	TR News	"The district is also in talks with multiple software companies to roll out new technology that would track the location of students throughout the day" https://evanstonroundtable.com/2022/07/13/district-65-board-greenlights-new-security-positions/ |
[11:07]	TR Bot	 District 65 board greenlights new security positions - Evanston RoundTable
[11:08]	TR News	"Some sites, including Facebook, add parameters to the web address for tracking purposes" https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/17/facebook-has-started-to-encrypt-links-to-counter-privacy-improving-url-stripping/ | Source: Ghacks
[11:08]	TR Bot	 Facebook has started to encrypt links to counter privacy-improving URL Stripping - gHacks Tech News
[11:11]	TR News	"After ten years, the German Federal Data Protection Commissioner has again inspected the INPOL-Z" https://digit.site36.net/2022/07/22/data-protection-commissioners-audit-germanys-largest-police-database-contains-many-illicit-records/ | Source: Site36
[11:11]	TR Bot	 Data Protection Commissioners audit: Germanys largest police database contains many illicit records Security Architectures in the EU
[11:11]	TR News	"Yet another basic human rights violation, courtesy of NSO Group: Citizen Lab has the details" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/nso-groups-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailand-pro-democracy-activists-and-leaders.html | Source: Bruce Schneier
[11:11]	TR Bot	Groups Pegasus Spyware Used against Thailand Pro-Democracy Activists and Leaders - Schneier on Security
[11:12]	TR News	"The Sequoia command line tool sq has gained support for the sq keyring list and sq wkd url commands." https://sequoia-pgp.org/blog/2022/07/21/202207-sq-json/ | Source: SequoiaPGP
[11:12]	TR Bot	 Blog - JSON support for sq keyring list, sq wkd url
[11:13]	TR News	"Below is a summary of the proposed constitution. [...]" https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2022-July/066142.html | Source: GnuPG
[11:13]	TR Bot	 Request for Comment: keys.openpgp.org Organization
[11:14]	TR News	""John Doe" recently contacted the two former SZ journalists, who now work for DER SPIEGEL" https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/the-first-interview-with-the-panama-papers-whistleblower-the-russian-government-wants-to-see-me-dead-a-9f830d70-297a-472a-b0cc-9632ff2f514a | Source: Spiegel
[11:14]	TR Bot	 Panama Papers Whistleblower: "The Russian Government Wants To See Me Dead" - DER SPIEGEL
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[11:17]	TR News	[Old] "The mayor of Bogot, Colombia, Enrique is perhaps the worlds most transit-friendly politician." https://site.transitapp.com/a-developed-country-is-not-a-place-where-the-poor-have-cars-65cbd7eb6def/ |
[11:17]	TR Bot	 The Man Behind Transit Apps Mantra Transit
[11:19]	TR News	"In May I wrote Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, based on Paul Butler's The problem with bitcoin miners" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/mining-news.html | Source: David Rosenthal
[11:19]	TR Bot	 DSHR's Blog: Mining News
[11:19]	TR News	"Permissionless cryptocurrencies were designed to evade regulation, so fighting them on their own "decentralized" ground isn't a winning strategy." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/07/calls-for-cryptocurrency-regulation.html | Source: David Rosenthal
[11:19]	TR Bot	 DSHR's Blog: Calls For Cryptocurrency Regulation
[11:20]	TR News	"Social media posts are sharing a century-old report on the warming of the Arctic Ocean to question the science of climate change." https://today.rtl.lu/news/fact-check/a/1943759.html | Source: RTL
[11:20]	TR Bot	 RTL Today - Fact Check: Century-old Arctic report altered to discredit global warming
[11:20]	techuser	MinceR: I did ask frankenstein about jesus. He said he wrote about him in his book, somewhere at https://executingreality.com
[11:20]	TR Bot	 Executing Reality
[11:23]	TR News	Philanthropy only attacks the symptoms https://rubenerd.com/philanthropy-only-attacks-the-symptoms/ | Source: Ruben Schade
[11:23]	TR Bot	Philanthropy only attacks the symptoms
[11:30]	TR News	XIAO ESP32C3 https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-esp32-c3-devkit-supports-rust/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[11:30]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-esp32-c3-devkit-supports-rust/ )
[11:30]	TR News	Cortex-A55 https://linuxgizmos.com/banana-pi-router-dev-board-is-equipped-with-rockchip-rk3588-dual-gbe-and-8gb-ram/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[11:30]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/banana-pi-router-dev-board-is-equipped-with-rockchip-rk3588-dual-gbe-and-8gb-ram/ )
[11:35]	TR News	"Is Ethical Advertising Possible?" https://puri.sm/posts/purisms-ethical-marketing-principles/ | Source: Purism
[11:35]	TR Bot	 Purism's Ethical Marketing Principles Purism
[11:39]	TR News	"The Humble Deck Builder Bundle has gone live and it's another that offers some pretty interesting choices" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/the-humble-deck-builder-bundle-is-live-heres-what-works-on-linux-a-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:39]	TR Bot	Humble Deck Builder Bundle is live, here's what works on Linux & Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[11:39]	TR News	"MultiVersus is a very exciting one that has a look of people talking right now." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/looks-like-upcoming-brawler-multiversus-works-great-on-steam-deck-a-linux-desktop/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:40]	TR Bot	like upcoming brawler MultiVersus works great on Steam Deck & Linux desktop | GamingOnLinux
[11:40]	TR News	"Not afraid of Spiders? Love a good 3D platformer?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/a-webbing-journey-is-an-upcoming-wholesome-3d-puzzle-platformer/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:40]	TR Bot	Webbing Journey is an upcoming wholesome 3D puzzle platformer | GamingOnLinux
[11:40]	TR News	"GameMode, the system optimization tool from Feral Interactive recently had a new small release put up." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/gamemode-performance-tool-from-feral-interactive-version-17-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:40]	TR Bot	performance tool from Feral Interactive version 1.7 is out now | GamingOnLinux
[11:40]	TR News	"It's taken quite a while but you can at least now play Halo Infinite multiplayer on Steam Deck (single-player not tested)." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/you-can-now-get-halo-infinite-online-to-work-on-the-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[11:40]	TR Bot	can now get Halo Infinite online to work on the Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[11:41]	TR News	IBM fluff https://opensource.com/article/22/7/design-thinking-open-source-teams | Source: OpenSource.com
[11:41]	TR Bot	Design Thinking is a box office hit for open source teams | Opensource.com
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[11:49]	TR News	SweatshopZone https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/22/sanders-joins-chorus-demanding-rejection-amazons-one-medical-purchase | Source: Common Dreams
[11:49]	TR Bot	 Sanders Joins Chorus Demanding Rejection of Amazon's One Medical Purchase
[11:54]	TR News	"Facebook and Newsguard" = censorship agenda for the oligarchy https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/did-lawmakers-finally-figure-out-that-critical-news-literacy-is-the-antidote-to-disinformation/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:54]	TR Bot	Lawmakers Finally Figure Out That Critical News Literacy is the Antidote to Disinformation? - CounterPunch.org
[11:55]	TR News	"Not only is he a compulsive liar, an arrogant, spoilt misogynist, he and his gaggle are completely incompetent" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/22/poverty-division-democratic-destruction-the-johnson-legacy/ | Source: Counter Punch
[11:55]	TR Bot	Division Democratic Destruction: The Johnson Legacy - CounterPunch.org
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[12:05]	TR News	Poverty... while the state 'bails out' BILLIONAIRES! https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/22/bad-news-biden-administration-delays-relief-plan-low-income-borrowers | Source: Common Dreams
[12:05]	TR Bot	 'Bad News': Biden Administration Delays Relief Plan for Low-Income Borrowers
[12:13]	TR News	The EPOs Misguided and Misleading Approach to Software Patenting, Disguised Using Disingenuous Newspeak and Buzzwords | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/propaganda-on-the-blockchain/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/propaganda-on-the-blockchain/
[12:13]	TR Bot	 The EPOs Misguided and Misleading Approach to Software Patenting, Disguised Using Disingenuous Newspeak and Buzzwords | Techrights
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[12:28]	TR News	"I guess we're seeing more *Dwarf Fortress* style games." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-07-23%20Solo%20Dungeon%20Development
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[12:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[12:44]	TR News	UK COVID-19 Data Shows Citizens Should Keep Distance and Keep the Masks on https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/covid-19-soon-a-million-patients/
[12:44]	TR Bot	Blog Archive UK COVID-19 Data Shows Citizens Should Keep Distance and Keep the Masks on
[12:46]	MinceR	23 122058 < techuser> MinceR: I did ask frankenstein about jesus. He said he wrote about him in his book, somewhere at https://executingreality.com
[12:46]	MinceR	that site looks a lot like the timecube site
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[12:58]	TR News	"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum / And they charged the people a dollar and a half just to see them" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/22/capitalisms-practicality-while-we-bake-death | Source: Common Dreams
[12:58]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Capitalism's 'Practicality' While We Bake to Death | Tony Norman
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● Jul 23
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[13:01]	TR News	Dear Brit, don't worry about the person next to you on the train being a bomber or carrying a long knife but the person next to you having COVID-19 because it's statistically obvious what's far more like to kill you https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/covid-19-soon-a-million-patients/
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[13:27]	TR News	Anita Was Right gemini://idiomdrottning.org/anita
[13:28]	TR News	How to use sshfs on OpenBSD gemini://perso.pw/blog/articles/openbsd-sshfs.gmi
[13:35]	TR News	Games: Duke Nukem II on OpenPOWER, The Humble Deck Builder Bundle, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167559
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Games: Duke Nukem II on OpenPOWER, The Humble Deck Builder Bundle, and More | Tux Machines
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[14:29]	XRevan86	britney: "quantum entanglement" <- "How to offend a physicist.
[14:31]	TR News	[Meme] The Portuguese Pretender | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/the-portuguese-dual-national/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/the-portuguese-dual-national/
[14:31]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Portuguese Pretender | Techrights
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[15:00]	TR News	[Meme/Video] Covering Up the (EPO) Presidents Coup and Illegal Actions | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/trumpinos-tantrump/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/trumpinos-tantrump/
[15:00]	TR Bot	 [Meme/Video] Covering Up the (EPO) Presidents Coup and Illegal Actions | Techrights
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[15:14]	TR News	UK Government Advice on COVID-19 is a Hoax (Pretending It's No Longer a Peril That Costs Many Lives) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/safely-with-covid/
[15:14]	TR Bot	Blog Archive UK Government Advice on COVID-19 is a Hoax (Pretending Its No Longer a Peril That Costs Many Lives)
[15:15]	TR News	Nihilists in positions of power, buckling for lobbyists https://yle.fi/news/3-12548445
[15:15]	TR Bot	 MTV: Top doc in Finland wants to remove Covid from dangerous disease list | News | Yle Uutiset
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[15:22]	TR News	[Meme] Back to Normal Just Means Adoption of Nihilism or Mass Culling of the Weak (Old People Who Typically Enjoyed Pensions) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/got-covid-meme/
[15:22]	TR Bot	Blog Archive [Meme] Back to Normal Just Means Adoption of Nihilism or Mass Culling of the Weak (Old People Who Typically Enjoyed Pensions)
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[15:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:46]	XRevan86	https://reuters.com/world/europe/hungarys-orban-calls-new-eu-strategy-ukraine-war-says-sanctions-failed-2022-07-23/
[15:46]	TR Bot	urges new EU strategy on Ukraine, says sanctions have failed | Reuters
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[16:03]	TR News	So-called "trade" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/22/prevent-another-tpp-100-groups-call-transparent-negotiations-indo-pacific-trade-deal | Source: Common Dreams
[16:03]	TR Bot	 To Prevent 'Another' TPP, 100+ Groups Call for Transparent Negotiations on Indo-Pacific Trade Deal
[16:03]	TR News	Graaaaaaaaiins... https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/22/beacon-hope-un-chief-lauds-deal-export-20-million-tons-ukrainian-grain | Source: Common Dreams
[16:03]	TR Bot	 'A Beacon of Hope': UN Chief Lauds Deal to Export 20+ Million Tons of Ukrainian Grain
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[16:15]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/23/dirt-decay-and-bitter-cold "Ukrainian volunteers held captive for more than 100 days describe harrowing conditions inside filtration prison near Donetsk"
[16:15]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[16:16]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/23/ukraine-russia-attacks-odesas-sea-port-with-kalibr-missiles-news "Ukraine: Russia attacks Odesas sea port with Kalibr missiles"
[16:16]	TR Bot	 . 
[16:16]	XRevan86	https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/23/a78388
[16:17]	TR Bot	 Panama Papers Whistleblower Says Russia Wants Me Dead - The Moscow Times
[16:17]	XRevan86	https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/23/7359802/
[16:17]	TR Bot	 Rocket strike on Kropyvnytskyi: 3 killed and 16 wounded | Ukrainska Pravda
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[16:27]	AdmFubar	https://www.salon.com/2022/07/23/cells-become-zombies-when-the-ends-of-their-chromosomes-are-damaged_partner/
[16:27]	TR Bot	become zombies when the ends of their chromosomes are damaged | Salon.com
[16:43]	TR News	"EFFs ability to catalog known uses of CSS and other surveillance equipment" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/police-are-still-abusing-investigative-exemptions-shield-surveillance-tech-while-0 | Source: EFF
[16:43]	TR Bot	 Police Are Still Abusing Investigative Exemptions to Shield Surveillance Tech, While Others Move Towards Transparency | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[16:49]	TR News	UK 200,000 COVID-19 Deaths Was One Month Ago, Based on New Figures https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/uk-200000-covid-19-deaths/
[16:49]	TR Bot	Blog Archive UK 200,000 COVID-19 Deaths Was One Month Ago, Based on New Figures
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[16:57]	AdmFubar	https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04853-4
[16:57]	TR Bot	topological phase realized in a trapped-ion quantum simulator | Nature
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[17:02]	AdmFubar	https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/shift_workers_can't
[17:02]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://warwick.ac.uk/newsandevents/pressreleases/shift_workers_can't )
[17:18]	TR News	SpellBinding: AEIUQTL Wordo: TIERS gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/new.gmi
[17:18]	TR News	Some thoughts on Vala gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/some_thoughts_on_vala.gmi
[17:25]	TR News	NHS Summer Figures Compared (COVID-19 in 2020, 2021, and 2022) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/apples-to-apples/
[17:25]	TR Bot	Blog Archive NHS Summer Figures Compared (COVID-19 in 2020, 2021, and 2022)
[17:27]	TR News	EFF wrote this while endorsing Microsoft surveillance by DuckDuckGo. Disgrace? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/americans-deserve-more-current-american-data-privacy-protection-act | Source: EFF
[17:27]	TR Bot	 Americans Deserve More Than The Current American Data Privacy Protection Act | Electronic Frontier Foundation
[17:30]	TR News	the usual: requestion own focus while on vacation gemini://luka.smol.pub/1658588727
[17:31]	TR News	"There's so much bad stuff going on in the world right now. Apart from war (in Ukraine and other parts of the world) and pandemic (COVID19), there's looming and increasingly unavoidable planetary catastrophe incoming anyway." gemini://luka.smol.pub/1658588727
[17:38]	TR News	"Internet service providers are to facilitate the work of law enforcement agencies" https://digit.site36.net/2022/07/22/council-and-parliament-negotiations-eu-laws-on-e-evidence-reportedly-on-the-home-straight/ | Source: Site36
[17:38]	TR Bot	 Council and Parliament negotiations: EU laws on E-Evidence reportedly on the home straight Security Architectures in the EU
[17:39]	TR News	"In search of answers, we looked at past research, notably Andrea Wallaces Barriers to Open Access" https://creativecommons.org/2022/07/22/what-are-the-barriers-to-open-culture-heres-what-the-cc-community-has-to-say/ | Source: Creative Commons
[17:39]	TR Bot	 What are the barriers to open culture? Heres what the CC community has to say - Creative Commons
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[17:41]	TR News	"St. Petersburg opposition politician Sergey Troshin" https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/22/someone-will-always-say-it-s-the-wrong-time | Source: Meduza
[17:41]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[17:42]	TR News	On copyrights https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/phishing-attacks-on-wordpress-site-owners-disguised-as-copyright-infringement-warnings/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:42]	TR Bot	Attacks On WordPress Site Owners Disguised As Copyright Infringement Warnings | Techdirt
[17:43]	TR News	One America News (OAN) https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/verizon-gives-oan-the-axe-upsetting-the-six-people-who-still-watch-the-channel/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:43]	TR Bot	Gives OAN The Axe, Upsetting The Six People Who Still Watch The Channel | Techdirt
[17:47]	TR News	On surveillance https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/22/surveillance-is-pervasive-yes-you-are-being-watched-even-if-no-one-is-looking-for-you/ | Source: Scheerpost
[17:47]	TR Bot	Is Pervasive: Yes, You Are Being Watched, Even if No One is Looking For You scheerpost.com
[17:48]	TR News	Ontario https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/22/international-students-in-ontario-are-fighting-wage-theft-and-winning/ | Source: Scheerpost
[17:48]	TR Bot	Students in Ontario Are Fighting Wage TheftAnd Winning scheerpost.com
[17:48]	TR News	"the right to record police" https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/22/video-mainstream-media-says-copwatchers-are-a-menace-heres-why-theyre-wrong/ | Source: Scheerpost
[17:48]	TR Bot	Mainstream Media Says Copwatchers Are a MenaceHeres Why Theyre Wrong scheerpost.com
[17:49]	TR News	Tackling disinformation https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/22/did-lawmakers-finally-figure-out-that-critical-news-literacy-is-antidote-to-disinformation/ | Source: Scheerpost
[17:49]	TR Bot	Lawmakers Finally Figure Out That Critical News Literacy is Antidote to Disinformation? scheerpost.com
[17:52]	TR News	NSO Group https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/us-defense-contractor-l3harris-drops-plan-to-buy-nso-group-despite-allegedly-having-the-defense-departments-backing/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:52]	TR Bot	Defense Contractor L3Harris Drops Plan To Buy NSO Group Despite Allegedly Having The Defense Departments Backing | Techdirt
[17:53]	TR News	"Russian forces detained 32 Ukrainian volunteers who had been providing humanitarian aid" https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/23/dirt-decay-and-bitter-cold | Source: Meduza
[17:53]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[17:54]	TR News	Social control media is shit. The public realises this. More and more over time. TechDirt pushes back. No idea why this insistence... https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/polling-the-public-about-social-media-policies-turns-up-nothing-particularly-useful/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:54]	TR Bot	The Public About Social Media Policies Turns Up Nothing Particularly Useful | Techdirt
[17:55]	TR News	"Not every crime is linked to a cell phone," https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/court-suppresses-phone-search-telling-cops-a-warrant-with-no-probable-cause-is-like-having-no-warrant-at-all/ | Source: Techdirt
[17:55]	TR Bot	Suppresses Phone Search, Telling Cops A Warrant With No Probable Cause Is Like Having No Warrant At All | Techdirt
[17:55]	TR News	"In a world where game consoles come with ever-higher resolutions and ever-faster frame rates" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/hunt-the-lunpus-is-an-attiny-based-minimalist-game-console/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:55]	TR Bot	The Lunpus Is An ATtiny-Based Minimalist Game Console | Hackaday
[17:56]	TR News	Wikipedia IS biased. We know in whose favour. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/23/you-get-used-to-it | Source: Meduza
[17:56]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[17:57]	TR News	"The holy grail of computing is to have some way to distribute a program to any computer." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/color-us-impressed-redbean-runs-a-web-server-on-six-operating-systems/ | Source: Hackaday
[17:57]	TR Bot	Us Impressed: Redbean Runs A Web Server On Six Operating Systems | Hackaday
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[18:03]	TR News	Uber should stop existing https://www.thenation.com/article/society/uber-leak-economists/ | Source: The Nation
[18:03]	TR Bot	 The Best Economists Uber Could Buy | The Nation
[18:04]	TR News	Biden is black. Coal and oil. https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/fires-climate-biden/ | Source: The Nation
[18:04]	TR Bot	 Biden Is All Talk as Fires Take Over the American West | The Nation
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[18:12]	TR News	Patents and monopolies https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/insulin-prices-democrats/ | Source: The Nation
[18:12]	TR Bot	 Democrats Are Fumbling Their Chance to Make Insulin More Affordable | The Nation
[18:13]	TR News	"It seems like [Mordechai Guri]s lab at Ben-Gurion University is the place where air-gapped computers go to die," https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/satan-turns-hard-drive-cable-into-antenna-to-defeat-air-gapped-security/ | Source: Hackaday
[18:13]	TR Bot	Turns Hard Drive Cable Into Antenna To Defeat Air-Gapped Security | Hackaday
[18:13]	TR News	"Telecom lobbyists are exploiting the creation of a new federal privacy bill" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/new-federal-privacy-bill-further-erodes-fcc-oversight-of-big-telecom-you-know-for-freedom-or-whatever/ | Source: Techdirt
[18:13]	TR Bot	Federal Privacy Bill Further Erodes FCC Oversight Of Big Telecom. You Know, For Freedom Or Whatever. | Techdirt
[18:14]	TR News	ESP32 https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/esp32-gets-a-nifty-serial-console-library/ | Source: Hackaday
[18:14]	TR Bot	Gets A Nifty Serial Console Library | Hackaday
[18:15]	TR News	"Hackaday Editor-in-Chief Elliot Williams and Managing Editor Tom Nardi" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/hackaday-podcast-178-the-return-of-supercon-victory-for-open-source-exquisite-timepieces-and-documentation-to-die-for/ | Source: Hackaday
[18:15]	TR Bot	Podcast 178: The Return Of Supercon, Victory For Open Source, Exquisite Timepieces, And Documentation To Die For | Hackaday
[18:16]	TR News	"In 2010, the town of Fort Myers Beach, Florida passed an ordinance that banned portable signs." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/22/florida-towns-portable-sign-ban-shot-down-by-the-11th-circuit-appeals-court/ | Source: Techdirt
[18:16]	TR Bot	Towns Portable Sign Ban Shot Down By The 11th Circuit Appeals Court | Techdirt
[18:16]	TR News	"Watering the garden is important to do regularly if you want your plants to thrive." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/22/watering-the-garden-with-a-solar-powered-system/ | Source: Hackaday
[18:16]	TR Bot	The Garden With A Solar-Powered System | Hackaday
[18:19]	TR News	Under the guise (or hype) of blockchain and other nonsense the EPO has been pushing illegal European software patents, which it prefers to call CII (a deliberate deception and misnomer) http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/propaganda-on-the-blockchain/
[18:19]	TR Bot	 The EPOs Misguided and Misleading Approach to Software Patenting, Disguised Using Disingenuous Newspeak and Buzzwords | Techrights
[18:20]	TR News	The EPO has fallen into a vicious cycle of capture by corrupt officials looking to cover up their illegal acts, including bribery of those who appoint and reappoint new friends (connections) http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/the-portuguese-dual-national/
[18:20]	TR Bot	 [Meme] The Portuguese Pretender | Techrights
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[18:20]	TR News	he EPOs fucking president (this is how Antnio Campinos refers to himself) cannot handle the truth, so now hes just blackmailing people who know whats going on inside the Office http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/trumpinos-tantrump/
[18:20]	TR Bot	 [Meme/Video] Covering Up the (EPO) Presidents Coup and Illegal Actions | Techrights
[18:21]	TR News	Distance, no contact https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/got-covid-meme/
[18:21]	TR Bot	Blog Archive [Meme] Back to Normal Just Means Adoption of Nihilism or Mass Culling of the Weak (Old People Who Typically Enjoyed Pensions)
[18:21]	TR News	Suggesting we should be living safely with coronavirus (COVID-19). What next? Living safely with AIDS? Boris? terrorism? Or radical religious bigots who preach violence? In the name of tolerance? https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/safely-with-covid/
[18:21]	TR Bot	Blog Archive UK Government Advice on COVID-19 is a Hoax (Pretending Its No Longer a Peril That Costs Many Lives)
[18:21]	TR News	Very soon a million patients and already more than 200,000 dead https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/covid-19-soon-a-million-patients/
[18:21]	TR Bot	Blog Archive UK COVID-19 Data Shows Citizens Should Keep Distance and Keep the Masks on
[18:22]	TR News	Number of hospitalisations (severe cases of COVID-19) GREW TENFOLD from 2020 to 2022: https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/apples-to-apples/
[18:22]	TR Bot	Blog Archive NHS Summer Figures Compared (COVID-19 in 2020, 2021, and 2022)
[18:23]	TR News	The media here did not even talk about it! https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/23/uk-200000-covid-19-deaths/
[18:23]	TR Bot	Blog Archive UK 200,000 COVID-19 Deaths Was One Month Ago, Based on New Figures
[18:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[18:36]	TR News	Links 23/07/2022: FFmpeg 5.1 and KDE Reports | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/kde-reports/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/kde-reports/
[18:36]	TR Bot	 Links 23/07/2022: FFmpeg 5.1 and KDE Reports | Techrights
[18:36]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167560
[18:37]	TR News	Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi, Popcorn Computer, Purism, ESP32 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167561
[18:37]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167562
[18:37]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[18:37]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167563
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[18:38]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[18:38]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
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[19:01]	matey	wow https://nm.debian.org/person/marks/
[19:01]	TR Bot	 Debian New Member Process
[19:01]	matey	last month, and still
[19:01]	matey	oh, i think pocock fucked up (on a detail)
[19:02]	matey	Mark Shuttleworth resigns from Debian: volunteer suicide and Albania questions unanswered, mass resignations continue
[19:02]	matey	July 21, 2022im not sure thats accurate
[19:03]	matey	or maybe i just dont understand latin
[19:03]	matey	ahh, its because i dont understand latin
[19:03]	matey	emeritus: [noun] a person retired from professional life but permitted to retain as an honorary title
[19:03]	matey	so like stallman
[19:03]	matey	fsf emeritus
[19:04]	matey	mark shuttleworth Status  Debian Developer, emeritus since 2022-07-21
[19:05]	matey	to paraphrase an old soviet joke
[19:05]	matey	stallman pretends he still works there, and the staff pretend to still work for him 
[19:07]	matey	just like they lay down and pretend theyre still fighting for us
[19:08]	matey	tbh i always wondered what emeritus means
[19:08]	matey	its a very useful word in this... community
[19:09]	matey	i knew it was honourary but... that probably should have been a clue actually
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[20:31]	britney	https://it.slashdot.org/story/22/07/23/1716258/twitter-data-breach-exposes-contact-details-for-54m-accounts-on-sale-for-30k
[20:31]	TR Bot	 Twitter Data Breach Exposes Contact Details for 5.4M Accounts, on Sale for $30K - Slashdot
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[21:17]	AdmFubar	https://t2sde.org/
[21:17]	TR Bot	 T2 SDE - The Open System Development Environment
[21:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:32]	MinceR	https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/funny-pictures-7-4-22-13.jpg
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[22:25]	TR News	Good Languages, Bad Programmers gemini://gemini.dimakrasner.com/good-languages-bad-programmers.gmi
[22:28]	TR News	When programmers wrote bad code https://www.hardwaretimes.com/intel-linux-driver-patch-brings-a-whopping-100x-performance-uplift-in-ray-traced-vulkan-titles/
[22:28]	TR Bot	 Intel Linux Driver Patch Brings a Whopping 100x Performance Uplift in Ray-Traced Vulkan Titles | Hardware Times
[22:37]	schestowitz[TR2]	britney: karma for illegally collecting phon enumbers etc.
[22:38]	schestowitz[TR2]	I hope they get another massive fines and close shop
[22:40]	TR News	Latest performance tests show Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.19 creeping up on Windows 11 fast - Neowin https://www.neowin.net/news/latest-performance-tests-show-ubuntu-2204-with-linux-519-creeping-up-on-windows-11-fast/ Source: neowin | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.neowin.net/news/latest-performance-tests-show-ubuntu-2204-with-linux-519-creeping-up-on-windows-11-fast/
[22:40]	TR Bot	 Latest performance tests show Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.19 creeping up on Windows 11 fast - Neowin
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[22:41]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[22:41]	TR News	Detectree: Open-source tool simplifies data analysis for blue teams, reduces alert fatigue - Help Net Security https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/07/22/detectree-open-source-tool/ Source: helpnetsecurity | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/07/22/detectree-open-source-tool/
[22:41]	TR Bot	 Detectree: Open-source tool simplifies data analysis for blue teams, reduces alert fatigue - Help Net Security
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[22:43]	TR News	PostgreSQL: pgAdmin User Survey https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgadmin-user-survey-2487/ Source: postgresql | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.postgresql.org/about/news/pgadmin-user-survey-2487/
[22:43]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: pgAdmin User Survey
[22:43]	TR News	"The Coroot team is happy to announce coroot-pg-agent an open-source (Apache 2.0) Postgres exporter for Prometheus focusing on query performance statistics." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/coroot-pg-agent-an-open-source-postgres-exporter-for-prometheus-2488/
[22:43]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: Coroot-pg-agent - an open-source Postgres exporter for Prometheus
[22:44]	TR News	"The Relational Riverside Rumble will pit one of the worlds best PostgreSQL DBAs against OtterTunes AI-powered PostgreSQL tuning algorithms, originally developed at Carnegie Mellon University." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/human-vs-ottertune-ai-postgresql-tuning-contest-10000-cash-prize-2485/
[22:44]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: Human vs. OtterTune AI PostgreSQL tuning contest. $10,000 cash prize
[22:46]	TR News	Should LINUX DISTROS still PACKAGE applications? The problem with UNOFFICIAL packages - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=j0IhajCNs14 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/j0IhajCNs14
[22:46]	TR Bot	 Should LINUX DISTROS still PACKAGE applications? The problem with UNOFFICIAL packages - Invidious
[22:46]	TR News	Kaisen Linux 2.1 Quick overview #linux #KaisenLinux #Shorts - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jGz92fy9I-A | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/jGz92fy9I-A
[22:46]	TR Bot	 Kaisen Linux 2.1 Quick overview #linux #KaisenLinux #Shorts - Invidious
[22:47]	TR News	The Zorin OS editions explained - Real Linux User https://www.reallinuxuser.com/the-zorin-os-editions-explained/ Source: reallinuxuser | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.reallinuxuser.com/the-zorin-os-editions-explained/
[22:47]	TR Bot	 The Zorin OS editions explained - Real Linux User
[22:47]	TR News	PostgreSQL: pgAdmin, coroot-pg-agent, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167566
[22:47]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: pgAdmin, coroot-pg-agent, and More | Tux Machines
[22:49]	TR News	Are we finally post-COVID thanks to Paxlovid? - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/are-we-finally-post-covid-thanks-to-paxlovid/ Source: baronhk | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/are-we-finally-post-covid-thanks-to-paxlovid/
[22:49]	TR Bot	 Are we finally post-COVID thanks to Paxlovid? BaronHK's Rants
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[23:08]	TR News	Linux Around The World: Brazil - LinuxLinks https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-brazil/ Source: LinuxLinks | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxlinks.com/linux-brazil/
[23:08]	TR Bot	Around The World: Brazil - LinuxLinks
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[23:09]	TR News	Business card-sized SBC ships with Intel Core Tiger Lake or AMD Ryzen V2000 processor - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/23/business-card-sized-sbc-ships-with-intel-core-tiger-lake-or-amd-ryzen-v2000-processor/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/23/business-card-sized-sbc-ships-with-intel-core-tiger-lake-or-amd-ryzen-v2000-processor/
[23:09]	TR Bot	 Business card-sized SBC ships with Intel Core Tiger Lake or AMD Ryzen V2000 processor - CNX Software
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[23:13]	DaemonFC	Money buys a lot of things, like the ability to change history.
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: nice article
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	re seeamonkey
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	I can see it's very long
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	DaemonFC: history is the same
[23:16]	matey	did they finally call it quits?
[23:16]	schestowitz[TR2]	you can bribe those who tell "history"
[23:17]	schestowitz[TR2]	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/23/the-seamonkey-internet-suite-is-still-developed-is-it-right-for-you/
[23:17]	TR Bot	 The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is still developed. Is it right for you? BaronHK's Rants
[23:17]	matey	anything thats based on mozilla has to prove to me that theyre capable of making it less like spyware
[23:18]	matey	then on top of that they have to prove that its not done by an idiot like moonchild
[23:18]	matey	and while theyre at it, they might as well not be using github
[23:19]	TR News	Reminds me of Wikileaks cablegate, where we saw US ambassadors lobbying for MICROSOFT (while US gov. pays the salary) by crushing GNU/Linux overseas https://www.news24.com/news24/africa/news/new-us-ambassador-to-sa-pledges-to-promote-ubuntu-diplomacy-20220723
[23:19]	TR Bot	US ambassador to SA pledges to promote 'Ubuntu diplomacy' | News24
[23:19]	matey	id rather not use anything based on mozilla at all
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	what do you use?
[23:19]	schestowitz[TR2]	like, for banks?
[23:19]	matey	but chromium and mozilla derivs have it locked down
[23:19]	matey	for banks?
[23:19]	matey	i go to the bank
[23:19]	matey	online banking is only better than online voting
[23:20]	matey	no thanks
[23:20]	matey	its not that most people will ever lose money
[23:20]	matey	i simply think online banking is a bad idea
[23:20]	matey	in a world where we had better security by default? 
[23:20]	matey	where corporations didnt run everything?
[23:20]	matey	we might not even need online banking
[23:20]	matey	but in this world we are actually in? no way
[23:20]	matey	not for me
[23:21]	TR News	FSD meeting recap 2022-07-15 " Free Software Foundation &mdash; Working together for free software https://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-07-15 also: ttps://www.fsf.org/blogs/directory/fsd-meeting-recap-2022-07-22
[23:21]	TR Bot	 FSD meeting recap 2022-07-15 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
[23:21]	matey	and im a peon
[23:21]	matey	if i had REAL banking needs
[23:21]	matey	then id still go into a bank
[23:21]	matey	because then theyre nice to you
[23:21]	matey	but im nobody and i still go
[23:21]	TR News	FSF outsourced its official debate platform to a network where some staff signed an anti-RMS defamation letter
[23:22]	TR News	Datamash is a command-line program which performs basic numeric, textual and statistical operations on input textual data." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10212
[23:22]	TR Bot	 GNU Datamash - News: GNU Datamash 1.8 released [Savannah]
[23:22]	matey	somewhere in between theres banking by phone
[23:22]	matey	but there are a few issues with that
[23:23]	matey	im not sure its better than online banking-- in some ways its not (because enabling one enables the other)
[23:23]	matey	(depending on your bank)
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[23:23]	TR Bot	 GNOME at 25: A Health Checkup | Tux Machines
[23:23]	matey	its another option, one i still dont need
[23:23]	matey	but its worth considering i guess
[23:23]	TR News	Gemipedia now supports all languages! gemini://gemi.dev/gemlog/2022-07-23-multi-language-gemipedia.gmi
[23:24]	matey	online banking is a convenience really
[23:24]	matey	id say its less important than having a car
[23:24]	matey	and lots of people dont have cars
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[23:24]	matey	some people "need" it (and some need a car)
[23:25]	matey	as for what browser i think people should use for online banking-- i dont
[23:25]	matey	i know some people are going to do online banking, and they accept the risks
[23:26]	matey	and some browsers are more secure than the others, but theyre only as secure as the user makes them
[23:26]	matey	you click / install the wrong thing, you do the wrong thing, you type your pin into the wrong thing
[23:27]	matey	you even punch your pin into an atm that has the wrong thing attached to it
[23:27]	matey	and your security is done
[23:27]	matey	statistically, most people will be fine
[23:27]	matey	in terms of responsibility, fewer people should use online banking, at least
[23:28]	matey	like a mobile phone, its part "necessity" and part gimmick
[23:28]	matey	most people who think they need it only think so
[23:28]	matey	some must be "right"
[23:29]	matey	out of people who get "hit" how many will go back to using online banking after that?
[23:29]	matey	i dont know
[23:29]	matey	some will stop there
[23:31]	britney	brave is a nice browser
[23:31]	britney	matey, what browser do you use on openbsd?
[23:31]	matey	tor browser mostly
[23:31]	britney	nice
[23:31]	matey	by no means do i think it is magic bullet
[23:31]	matey	all browsers are shit
[23:31]	matey	and the web should be deprecated
[23:32]	britney	thats unlikely to ever happen
[23:32]	matey	but whats a better way to wean yourself off the web than using a browser that the web hates to work with
[23:33]	matey	its one of the few mozilla forks that isnt github-based
[23:33]	TR News	The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is Still Developed. Is it Right for You? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/23/seamonkey-reviewed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/23/seamonkey-reviewed/
[23:33]	TR Bot	 The SeaMonkey Internet Suite is Still Developed. Is it Right for You? | Techrights
[23:33]	matey	sadly they signed the anti-rms letter but so did mozilla, so id rather use one than both
[23:33]	matey	and mozilla are more evil than tor for MANY reasons
[23:33]	matey	mozilla lies about privacy
[23:33]	matey	tor probably does too-- but there are usages that back up the claims
[23:34]	matey	SOME of the claims
[23:34]	britney	matey, you won't use software if its on github?
[23:34]	matey	i know roy disputes this
[23:34]	matey	i think he protests too much, he could be right, but im sceptical
[23:34]	matey	i dont think tor is bulletproof
[23:34]	matey	i avoid software thats based on github as much as any person reasonably can
[23:34]	britney	tor is better than nothing
[23:34]	matey	i defy anyone to go to greater lengths to avoid it than i have
[23:35]	matey	indeed, it would be very happy if people made github more of an option, and less of a monopoly
[23:35]	matey	github-based stuff is in every level of the stack
[23:35]	matey	right down to the programming languages themselves
[23:35]	matey	exceptions exist-- not many
[23:36]	matey	github controls more than half of free software
[23:36]	TR News	Fairphone: Five years of responsible gold https://www.fairphone.com/en/2022/07/22/five-years-of-responsible-gold/
[23:36]	TR Bot	years of responsible gold - Fairphone
[23:36]	matey	maybe more than 75%
[23:36]	britney	yeah thats why I asked
[23:36]	matey	i wouldnt be shocked if it was 90, but there are many ways to count
[23:36]	matey	a microsoft monopoly will NEVER be freedom
[23:36]	matey	the fsf lies
[23:36]	matey	theyre not even the fsf anymore
[23:36]	TR News	Steam Deck: The Ratio of Verified Titles is Falling. Whats Happening? - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-the-ratio-of-verified-titles-is-falling-whats-happening/ Source: boilingsteam | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//boilingsteam.com/steam-deck-the-ratio-of-verified-titles-is-falling-whats-happening/
[23:37]	TR Bot	 Steam Deck: The Ratio of Verified Titles is Falling. What's Happening? - Boiling Steam
[23:37]	matey	and the rate at which people leave is NOT that impressive
[23:37]	matey	but i am hopeful for the long run-- right now, its not great
[23:38]	techuser	I doubt it will become better
[23:38]	matey	and anyone who tells you its getting (significantly) better is probably full of shit (for now)
[23:38]	britney	the fsf lies? about what?
[23:38]	matey	everything!
[23:38]	matey	theyre completely full of crap now
[23:38]	matey	just marketing. theyre not the fsf.
[23:38]	matey	theyre as much about free software and stallman
[23:38]	matey	as lf is about linux and torvalds
[23:39]	matey	(at least they actually run gnu, unlike lf)
[23:39]	matey	(so thats a slight exaggeration)
[23:39]	matey	lf runs a mac and says they promote linux
[23:39]	matey	its so sad
[23:40]	matey	<techuser> I doubt it will become better <- i think youre actually more pessimistic than i am, about a number of things
[23:40]	TR News	Getting Stuck and Unstuck - Gulag Summer of Labour post #8 https://snehit.dev/posts/kde/gsoc-22/getting-stuck-and-unstuck/
[23:40]	TR Bot	 Getting Stuck and Unstuck - GSoC'22 post #8
[23:40]	matey	it took a fuckload of work to become as optimistic as i am :)
[23:40]	TR News	Returning to Hacker Summer Camp &middot; System Overlord https://systemoverlord.com/2022/07/20/returning-to-hacker-summer-camp.html Source: systemoverlord | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//systemoverlord.com/2022/07/20/returning-to-hacker-summer-camp.html
[23:40]	TR Bot	 Returning to Hacker Summer Camp System Overlord
[23:40]	matey	which is hilarious, because most people still (with pretty good reason) consider me a pessimist
[23:41]	matey	and theyre probably right. but pessimists can be optimists too
[23:41]	matey	i mean pessimists can be optimistic
[23:41]	TR News	GNU Datamash 1.8 and the FSFs FSD Meetings Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167568
[23:41]	matey	(a lot of pessimists are very closeted optimists)
[23:41]	TR Bot	 GNU Datamash 1.8 and the FSF's FSD Meetings | Tux Machines
[23:42]	TR News	Soil Moisture Sensor with Arduino Uno https://peppe8o.com/soil-moisture-sensor-with-arduino-uno/ Source: peppe8o | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peppe8o.com/soil-moisture-sensor-with-arduino-uno/
[23:42]	matey	its not just one closet, its more like the opening theme of "get smart"
[23:42]	TR Bot	 Soil Moisture Sensor with Arduino Uno
[23:42]	TR News	Another diploma mill or a genuine thing, for a change? https://www.ridgecrestca.com/news/cerro-coso-to-launch-cloud-computing-and-linux-administration-certificates-this-fall/article_7d44b664-0863-11ed-b29c-bf55ebc78ee1.html
[23:42]	TR Bot	Coso to Launch Cloud Computing and Linux Administration certificates this fall | News | ridgecrestca.com
[23:42]	TR News	This Week in GNOME: #53 GUADEC 202 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167569
[23:42]	TR Bot	 This Week in GNOME: #53 GUADEC 202 | Tux Machines
[23:43]	matey	which is all over youtube, for anyone who hasnt seen it
[23:43]	TR News	[git pull] drm fixes for 5.19-rc8 https://lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/165852047184.15752.15754098115255802753.pr-tracker-bot@kernel.org/T/#t Source: kernel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/dri-devel/165852047184.15752.15754098115255802753.pr-tracker-bot@kernel.org/T/#t
[23:43]	TR Bot	 [git pull] drm fixes for 5.19-rc8
[23:45]	TR News	Slashdot feels like it's run by "EditorDavid" from ZDNet now. Has ./ become Microsoft-funded media by extension???
[23:45]	matey	fun fact
[23:46]	matey	the fsf doesnt actually know if youtube-dl is free software or not
[23:46]	TR News	freedreno: Enable A619 https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=d3b38213e57533ec88a85fcf7b62671c711285a0
[23:46]	TR Bot	 mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
[23:46]	matey	some people think it runs non-free js
[23:46]	matey	im not sure it does-- but its so convoluted, its that hard to say
[23:47]	matey	i dont think running grep on non-free software counts as execution
[23:47]	TR News	The coin-operated SJVN as stenographer for ICBM (relaying face-saving lies for them). Guess who pays for these articles. ICBM pays ZDNet (fact). http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167174#comment-34418
[23:47]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Changes CEO | Tux Machines
[23:47]	matey	so just putting information in js to be parsed shouldnt count as running non-free sw
[23:47]	matey	but we dont conclusively know 
[23:48]	matey	the official position seems to be-- or the closest thing to one seems to be
[23:48]	matey	its free until we know otherwise
[23:48]	matey	but we still dont know
[23:48]	TR News	Converting a Commodore PET into a USB docking station | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/22/converting-a-commodore-pet-into-a-usb-docking-station/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/22/converting-a-commodore-pet-into-a-usb-docking-station/
[23:48]	TR Bot	 Converting a Commodore PET into a USB docking station | Arduino Blog
[23:48]	matey	also it changes constantly
[23:48]	matey	because of the webapi
[23:48]	matey	for this reason, they shouldnt assume rust is free either...
[23:48]	matey	but they will
[23:48]	matey	of course if rust isnt free, theyre fucked
[23:49]	matey	so fully-free software will be replaced, of course, with politics
[23:49]	matey	the worst kind of politics, the smarmy kind
[23:49]	matey	the kind where if you touch it with a 10 foot pole, you wash your hands and throw away the pole
[23:50]	matey	and the obviously leader of these smarmy politics from hell will be none other free sofware lucifer himself
[23:50]	matey	bradley kuhn
[23:51]	matey	thatll be fun
[23:51]	matey	strap in, its going to be a fun decade (if we are lucky, only 5 years. ARE we?)
[23:52]	matey	#stallmanwasright
[23:52]	matey	when he said microsoft wasnt the "great satan" i was of course sceptical
[23:52]	matey	but given what kuhn has done-- i understand why stallman said this
[23:52]	matey	some things are even worse than microsoft
[23:53]	matey	like sfc, i guess
[23:54]	matey	though as far as actual visceral hate goes, im pretty sure microsoft will always be #1 for me (or close enough)
[23:54]	TR News	Q4OS 4.9 is out. No update here yet: https://q4os.org/blog.html
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[23:54]	matey	lets give him a chance though
[23:55]	TR News	stdlib: Add arc4random, arc4random_buf, and arc4random_uniform (BZ #4417) https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=6f4e0fcfa2d2b0915816a3a3a1d48b4763a7dee2
[23:55]	TR Bot	Git - glibc.git/commit
[23:55]	matey	i mean, maybe someday he can top them
[23:55]	matey	mjg says kuhn isnt... (i think hes jealous)
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	bkuhn studied CS IIRC
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	baltimore or something
[23:56]	matey	mjg should take comfort in the fact that at least he doesnt look like penfold from dangermouse
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	bkuhn is not dumb
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	he does not dislike free software
[23:56]	matey	i didnt say dumb
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	what I don't like is,
[23:56]	matey	i said he was free software lucifer
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	how he wanted to throw rms under the buss
[23:56]	schestowitz[TR2]	to prop up his own shop, sfc
[23:57]	matey	he does not dislike free software <- sfc <3 linux
[23:57]	matey	he doesnt dislike it, but will destroy it for personal gain
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	this is why he was removed from fsf
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	the board told hik to choose
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	so he did
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	and resighned
[23:57]	matey	and then destroyed the fsf
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	they were put under gag order at the time
[23:57]	matey	with lots of help
[23:57]	schestowitz[TR2]	but I got sources
[23:58]	matey	oh i assume most of that story is true
[23:58]	matey	but that makes the title of lucifer fit that much more
[23:58]	matey	i dont throw that around
[23:58]	matey	i could, but i dont
[23:59]	matey	if you want special titles that apply to very few people
[23:59]	matey	you cant use them on everyone, right
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	tbh I never quite like bkuhn for other reasons
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	his manners
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	he felt very patronising in identica
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	barely replied to people
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	and they agreed with me
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	when I pointed it out
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	even fsf volunteers
[23:59]	schestowitz[TR2]	he felt rather pretentious to them