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| schestowitz | the web 'tech' moves too fast | Sep 23 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | and new things are rarely backward compatible more than a few years backwards | Sep 23 00:00 |
| schestowitz | watch what happened to groklaw | Sep 23 00:00 |
| schestowitz | a bunch of static copies of pages with lots of loss of info | Sep 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | we need to separate content from presenration and now just using css | Sep 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | rss is in a step in a positive direction | Sep 23 00:01 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You keep saying DDoS, but "old things" weren't good enough to handle enough load. | Sep 23 00:01 |
| schestowitz | but it's mostly for "latest" of something | Sep 23 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | not archives that are complete | Sep 23 00:01 |
| MinceR | a static site generator could separate content from presentation at minimal cost | Sep 23 00:02 |
| XRevan86 | i.e. Apache httpd with mpm_prefork, and mod_php that relies on that. | Sep 23 00:02 |
| schestowitz | seems like "business model" drives all the trends now | Sep 23 00:03 |
| schestowitz | rss doesn't fit in | Sep 23 00:03 |
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| scientes | > We must not direct the users towards proprietary software as if it were a solution, because proprietary software is the problem. | Sep 23 07:14 |
| scientes | dang | Sep 23 07:14 |
| scientes | tru that | Sep 23 07:14 |
| schestowitz | context? | Sep 23 07:17 |
| schestowitz | Edge spam? | Sep 23 07:17 |
| scientes | https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.en.html | Sep 23 07:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | Avoiding Ruinous Compromises - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Sep 23 07:17 | |
| schestowitz | [06:54] <schestowitz> > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2020-09/msg00041.html | Sep 23 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :( | Sep 23 07:18 | |
| schestowitz | [06:54] <schestowitz> > | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | [06:54] <schestowitz> > There are a lot of good points rebutting the disinformation in some of | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | [06:54] <schestowitz> > the replies. But the main problem identified in the first message seems | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | [06:54] <schestowitz> > to be that an anti-copyleft paragraph got piggybacked onto a mostly | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | [06:54] <schestowitz> > sound article and people are taking it as the truth, though it is not. | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | [06:54] <schestowitz> A lot of money was sunk into anti-GPL rhetoric. | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | (this is new)\ | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | sent to me by someone hours afgo | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | *ago | Sep 23 07:18 |
| scientes | Linus Torvalds was a massive hit to copyleft | Sep 23 07:18 |
| scientes | because the anti-GPLv3 crowd really drains energy from the movement | Sep 23 07:18 |
| schestowitz | he was partly brainwashed | Sep 23 07:19 |
| scientes | but once I put some thought into it, I could not come with a single convincing philosophical argument for GPLv2 over GPLv3 | Sep 23 07:19 |
| scientes | only practical ones | Sep 23 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft-connected propaganda got to him | Sep 23 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw deleted his rant (comment) | Sep 23 07:20 |
| schestowitz | for being roo rude | Sep 23 07:20 |
| schestowitz | *too | Sep 23 07:20 |
| scientes | but RMS cuts right throught that | Sep 23 07:20 |
| schestowitz | pre-coc groklaw | Sep 23 07:20 |
| scientes | in that essay above he talks about "cognitive dissonance" of those that abvocate libre software but also compromise | Sep 23 07:21 |
| scientes | and he is completely correct | Sep 23 07:21 |
| schestowitz | he's often right | Sep 23 07:22 |
| scientes | " | Sep 23 07:23 |
| scientes | To their credit, the authors of this paper emphasise the importance of including a LICENSE with your code, which - believe it or not - most other "recommendations" in the scientific literature don't mention at all, effectively keeping tons of scientific code unintentionally proprietary. " | Sep 23 07:23 |
| scientes | this is stupid | Sep 23 07:23 |
| schestowitz | then again he has been thinking about it for almost 40 years | Sep 23 07:23 |
| schestowitz | and spoke to people for that long as well (on these issues) | Sep 23 07:23 |
| scientes | law is a tool, and publically published science should be assumed to be a liberal license if no license is provided | Sep 23 07:23 |
| scientes | and maybe the GPLv3 is the most liberal license we have | Sep 23 07:24 |
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| kingoffrance | everything ive heard thats not how e.g. schools work | Sep 23 08:01 |
| kingoffrance | "publically published" there are lots of paywalls | Sep 23 08:01 |
| kingoffrance | djb spoke of this | Sep 23 08:02 |
| kingoffrance | places that wouldnt publish public domain stuff | Sep 23 08:02 |
| kingoffrance | they actively fight against <most possible public license there is> | Sep 23 08:03 |
| kingoffrance | "license" i should say | Sep 23 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19047973#bcdded90df5a01386581722ef41c0a88 | Sep 23 08:36 |
| schestowitz | "A powerful tool for micromanagement." | Sep 23 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Corporate-led but also #debian (arguably increasingly corporate-led as well... Google, Microsoft...) communities are becoming far too censorious to be effective and broaden access to freedom, #freespeech aside | Sep 23 08:36 | |
| schestowitz | By microaggression maybe, or victim-blaming | Sep 23 08:36 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19048075#648a2a60df5901382e86722ef41c0a88 | Sep 23 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In my experience, people who call RMS "extreme" say a lot about themselves. Yes, nothing as scary as a pacifist who is tolerant towards many groups and who distrusts mass #surveillance etc. So "extremeeeee".... | Sep 23 08:37 | |
| schestowitz | "Simply a man who shows great vision and stands-by what he believes." | Sep 23 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Many people still agree with him, _in spite_ of the smears | Sep 23 08:37 |
| scientes | schestowitz, those people attack him because they dislike anyone that thinks | Sep 23 08:44 |
| schestowitz | they shift the subject | Sep 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | beard | Sep 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | toenails/toejam | Sep 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | voice, belly, and so on.. | Sep 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | to be expected when you don't want to debate the substance of the argument | Sep 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | but if he looked "sexier", they'd call him womaniser or something (not that they don't use such smears already) | Sep 23 08:54 |
| schestowitz | things like, "he stared at her" | Sep 23 08:54 |
| schestowitz | imagine the feelings | Sep 23 08:54 |
| schestowitz | being stared at | Sep 23 08:54 |
| schestowitz | Cried for an hour afterwards? | Sep 23 08:54 |
| schestowitz | felt violated because a person who is perhaps mildly aspergic stared? | Sep 23 08:54 |
| schestowitz | With Torvalds they use other angles, I've noticed | Sep 23 08:55 |
| schestowitz | similar to Guido | Sep 23 08:55 |
| schestowitz | "elitist" angle often works against north Europeans | Sep 23 08:55 |
| scientes | Torvalds similar to Guido | Sep 23 08:56 |
| scientes | yeah | Sep 23 08:56 |
| schestowitz | if he says the wrong thing, they'll tell us he supports Trump | Sep 23 08:57 |
| schestowitz | SPANnil Bhartiya tried it on me | Sep 23 08:57 |
| scientes | that said, I think you often make things more political than they are | Sep 23 08:57 |
| schestowitz | abrasive behaviour is presumed right-wing | Sep 23 08:59 |
| schestowitz | once you leave technical aspects aside, you have licensing politics anyway | Sep 23 09:00 |
| schestowitz | and law-making, courts... | Sep 23 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=39655&page=1&cid=1054543 | Sep 23 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | SoylentNews Comments | Progress Towards a Mosquito Laser Defense System | Sep 23 09:28 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Interestingly while checking that techrights site I noticed this article | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | "Reminder: Vice Chair of the Linux Foundation’s Board is an Oracle Executive Who Used to Work for Microsoft" | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/20/oracle-microsoft-linux-foundation/ [techrights.org] | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | What better way to destroy Linux than from the inside. Then they can claim that the free model can't work. | Sep 23 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reminder: Vice Chair of the Linux Foundation’s Board is an Oracle Executive Who Used to Work for Microsoft | Techrights | Sep 23 09:28 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Interestingly while checking that techrights site I noticed this article | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | "Reminder: Vice Chair of the Linux Foundation’s Board is an Oracle Executive Who Used to Work for Microsoft" | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/20/oracle-microsoft-linux-foundation/ [techrights.org] | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | What better way to destroy Linux than from the inside. Then they can claim that the free model can't work. | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Manners: "That website looks like someone barfed up some random spam emails and saved it in an html file. Where's your "article" nigger?" | Sep 23 09:28 |
| schestowitz | x https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1005510 | Sep 23 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-journals.plos.org | Good enough practices in scientific computing | Sep 23 09:36 | |
| schestowitz | x https://www.marketwatch.com/story/assange-lawyer-says-trump-associates-offered-deal-if-wikileaks-founder-divulged-hacked-dnc-emails-didnt-come-via-russia-2020-09-18 | Sep 23 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Assange lawyer says Trump associates offered deal if WikiLeaks founder divulged hacked DNC emails didn’t come via Russia - MarketWatch | Sep 23 09:38 | |
| schestowitz | # lots of lies being trotted out yet again, all over the net | Sep 23 09:38 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.thelayoff.com/t/174kNkWP | Sep 23 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Stupid - post regarding Walmart layoffs | Sep 23 10:53 | |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2123/ | Sep 23 13:04 |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2127/ | Sep 23 14:00 |
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| Chaekyung | lol it's happening https://linuxreviews.org/Microsoft_Edge_Is_Coming_To_Linux_In_October_2020 | Sep 23 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Microsoft Edge Is Coming To Linux In October 2020 - LinuxReviews | Sep 23 14:22 | |
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| MinceR | what for, though | Sep 23 14:23 |
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| XRevan86 | You'd think it'd take less time to just build the bloody thing. | Sep 23 14:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 23 14:24 |
| MinceR | or just take crashium and replace the logo and the name | Sep 23 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's the only logical course of action, Microsoft loses nothing, gains something. More telemetry senders, Microsoft ♥ Love stuff, etc. | Sep 23 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's literally what they did. | Sep 23 14:25 |
| MinceR | i know | Sep 23 14:25 |
| MinceR | but i meant in the binary | Sep 23 14:25 |
| MinceR | so they don't have to wait for it to build | Sep 23 14:25 |
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| Chaekyung | it takes time, chromium is a very big compile. I know from something completely different I'm working on | Sep 23 14:26 |
| Chaekyung | https://linuxreviews.org/Template:Chromium_85_Compile_Times_-_Athlon_5350_APU,_8_GiB_RAM | Sep 23 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Template:Chromium 85 Compile Times - Athlon 5350 APU, 8 GiB RAM - LinuxReviews | Sep 23 14:26 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, not that literally %). | Sep 23 14:27 |
| Chaekyung | I'm actually a bit amazed that a zswap cache actually reduces performance, it's supposed to make your system faster | Sep 23 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | Chaekyung: Microsoft are experts in bloat, I doubt they noticed. | Sep 23 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | (and in C++) | Sep 23 14:28 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz They spend more on the urban stores. The one in Huntington, Indiana wasn't even a supercenter until 2006. | Sep 23 14:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/09/21/bill-gates-global-agenda-and-how-we-can-resist-his-war-life?amp | Sep 23 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Bill Gates' Global Agenda and How We Can Resist His War on Life | Common Dreams Views | Sep 23 14:33 | |
| Chaekyung | checkline changed = polished and improved | Sep 23 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | [14:26] <Chaekyung> it takes time, chromium is a very big compile. I know from something completely different I'm working on | Sep 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Firms with far smaller resources than shitesoft can do it | Sep 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | and routinely, regular releases | Sep 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | I agrees with XRevan86 re | Sep 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | [14:25] <XRevan86> MinceR: It's the only logical course of action, Microsoft loses nothing, gains something. More telemetry senders, Microsoft ♥ Love stuff, etc. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | And they did this the day Firefox 81 was released | Sep 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | so Linux sites didn't cover the mozilla release | Sep 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | which was actually free-ish s/w | Sep 23 15:33 |
| XRevan86 | Firefox releases two times a day, that's not surprising. | Sep 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: i saw that article re Gates | Sep 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: Edge never released for Linux | Sep 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | so it's vapourware versus a real thing | Sep 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | anyway, thugs from Redmond have ways of gaming the media | Sep 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | inc. bribery | Sep 23 15:35 |
| XRevan86 | Firefox will take a revanche in a month :) | Sep 23 15:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chromium runs on Linux so the port would be easy. | Sep 23 15:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But few people would end up installing Edge. | Sep 23 15:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most Windows users would rrmove it if they could. | Sep 23 15:38 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX Mostly Microsoft is crossing fingers people have forgot what they did 19 years ago. | Sep 23 15:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Internet Explorer for UNIX - Wikipedia | Sep 23 15:46 | |
| oiaohm | Track record for Microsoft releasing browser on non windows platforms is poor. | Sep 23 15:47 |
| MinceR | people have forgot most of what microshit did | Sep 23 15:47 |
| MinceR | if they hadn't, the whole "microshit <3 linux" bullshit would have failed spectacularly | Sep 23 15:47 |
| MinceR | and shithub would have as many users as codeplex | Sep 23 15:47 |
| MinceR | people are dangerously stupid and this will be the undoing of the species | Sep 23 15:47 |
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| psydroid | a friend of mine said that Google "deserved" the position and power it has now, when I said that people shouldn't have given them that power in the first place | Sep 23 16:11 |
| psydroid | I haven't responded to what he said, I was just a bit perplexed | Sep 23 16:11 |
| psydroid | but maybe that's a sign of the times | Sep 23 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | a friend of mine said that Putin "deserved" the position and power he has now, when I said that people shouldn't have given him that power in the first place | Sep 23 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: pretty normal | Sep 23 16:13 |
| MinceR | humans will deserve becoming extinct | Sep 23 16:13 |
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| psydroid | XRevan86, are humans that defeatist and subservient by nature? | Sep 23 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | psydroid: It's very conditional. | Sep 23 16:17 |
| psydroid | I find it hard to wrap my head around that, but maybe I am the odd one out who doesn't give in to that kind of attitude | Sep 23 16:17 |
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| XRevan86 | psydroid: Humans also have a tendency of changing their opinions retroactively :) | Sep 23 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe in a few years your friend will say "I always suspected something was wrong with that Google thing" | Sep 23 16:20 |
| psydroid | haha | Sep 23 16:20 |
| psydroid | it sounds just like some CoC-blocked opinion straight from a corporation's handbook | Sep 23 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | [15:47] <MinceR> and shithub would have as many users as codeplex | Sep 23 16:41 |
| schestowitz | they bought the users and projects | Sep 23 16:41 |
| schestowitz | not shithub | Sep 23 16:41 |
| schestowitz | so they had users and projects from the start | Sep 23 16:41 |
| schestowitz | zemlin helps them get past antitrust barriers | Sep 23 16:42 |
| schestowitz | basically he works for Microsoft part time | Sep 23 16:42 |
| schestowitz | question is, how long before shithub becomes codeplex sized and shuts down | Sep 23 16:42 |
| schestowitz | google code shut down too... and freshmeat | Sep 23 16:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, but if the users had a clue, they would have migrated their projects and left the site | Sep 23 16:43 |
| schestowitz | [16:13] <XRevan86> a friend of mine said that Putin "deserved" the position and power he has now, when I said that people shouldn't have given him that power in the first place | Sep 23 16:43 |
| schestowitz | "Trump deserves more than 8 years in office for what Obama and Hillary had him go through" | Sep 23 16:43 |
| schestowitz | [16:21] <psydroid> it sounds just like some CoC-blocked opinion straight from a corporation's handbook | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Google censors mailing lists | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | e.g. GSoC communications | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | it filters out Google critics | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | We know this because a GSoC admin, Pocock, spoke about it | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | he spent years as mentor under gsoc | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | so people's general perception of GOogle is distorrted | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | they bribe many events | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | and scholars | Sep 23 16:44 |
| schestowitz | groups like EFF | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | so you don't get an accurate picture of what they reallly are | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Assange published a book about them | Sep 23 16:45 |
| schestowitz | https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ | Sep 23 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems | Sep 23 16:46 | |
| schestowitz | also https://www.amazon.co.uk/When-Google-Wikileaks-Julian-Assange/dp/1944869115 | Sep 23 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Google Met Wikileaks: Amazon.co.uk: Assange, Julian: 9781944869113: Books | Sep 23 16:49 | |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And for Biden he deserves all 32 years | Sep 23 17:35 |
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| XRevan86 | or maybe for life | Sep 23 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | just to be sure | Sep 23 17:49 |
| MinceR | i say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure. | Sep 23 17:49 |
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| XRevan86 | - The patient is in critical condition, what do we do? | Sep 23 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | - Kill him, kill him now. Do it. | Sep 23 17:54 |
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| MinceR | :> | Sep 23 17:55 |
| XRevan86 | Meanwhile, in St. Petersburg the COVID-19 situation worsens. One reaps what one sowed. | Sep 23 17:56 |
| DanielCantarin | The COVID thing seems to be worsening everywhere. Maybe it's my own bubble, but I'm not getting any good news from anywhere. | Sep 23 17:57 |
| XRevan86 | A month ago it seemed like nothing's really moving. | Sep 23 17:58 |
| XRevan86 | September kommt, happy travellers came back home, shit hit the fan. | Sep 23 17:59 |
| DanielCantarin | Well... there are the vaccines. That's good news actually. But we're many months away from that. | Sep 23 17:59 |
| DanielCantarin | Thing seems to be that people is already tired, and losing fear of getting the virus. | Sep 23 17:59 |
| DanielCantarin | I mean, generally speaking. | Sep 23 17:59 |
| XRevan86 | DanielCantarin: Then there's the survivor bias. | Sep 23 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | I walked through May unscathed, therefore I'm invincible. | Sep 23 18:00 |
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| DanielCantarin | That sounds like a young people thing to me, but I get it, yeah. | Sep 23 18:01 |
| DanielCantarin | I mean: older people after May started to get news from many close people getting more and more sick. | Sep 23 18:02 |
| XRevan86 | But really, only about 30% of people wore masks in shops et al. | Sep 23 18:02 |
| DanielCantarin | I'm in LATAM, so my May was not the same as yours. Here, stuff started later. | Sep 23 18:02 |
| XRevan86 | And older people somehow cared about them even less. | Sep 23 18:02 |
| XRevan86 | It seems like masks are making a comeback though, so maybe not all is lost. | Sep 23 18:03 |
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| DanielCantarin | I'm so worried... people is getting crazy around here. Thing was already bad with just the dissinformation and economics... but now it's getting hellish with the virus and the anti-everything people. | Sep 23 18:05 |
| XRevan86 | At least it feels like Russians are mostly not crazy, just disinterested. | Sep 23 18:05 |
| XRevan86 | the distinction is not a very clear one though %) | Sep 23 18:06 |
| XRevan86 | what I mean is that people don't seem to take an active dissident position, like some Usonians do | Sep 23 18:07 |
| DanielCantarin | We have anti-mask and anti-quarintine marchs here. Same seems to happen in Spain, Germany, and other places, all cosidered "serious countries" by people that usually talks shit about the third world. | Sep 23 18:07 |
| DanielCantarin | I mean, people is getting the same kind of crazy all around the world. | Sep 23 18:08 |
| XRevan86 | Yes, that, haven't heard of these around here. | Sep 23 18:08 |
| MinceR | humanity is ripe for extinction | Sep 23 18:08 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/04/6fa286db549639a3.jpg | Sep 23 18:10 |
| DanielCantarin | The USA numbers are shocking. | Sep 23 18:10 |
| zoobab | I have the book "Google contre Wikileaks" in front of me | Sep 23 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told the security guard at the dmv he looked like Bob Odenkirk. | Sep 23 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He asked who that was. | Sep 23 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Oh. He's Saul Goodman, the lawyer in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. I just thought I'd mention that because I saw you here last year and was thinking that." | Sep 23 18:13 |
| smnthermes | > [04:54:02] schestowitz: but if he looked "sexier", they'd call him womaniser or something (not that they don't use such smears already) | Sep 23 18:13 |
| smnthermes | https://rms.sexy | Sep 23 18:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rms.sexy | Our GNU/Lord and GNU/Savior is 100% sexy! | Sep 23 18:13 | |
| schestowitz | hi, DanielCantarin | Sep 23 18:14 |
| DanielCantarin | Hi there :) | Sep 23 18:15 |
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| DanielCantarin | IDK if this comment will be funny or awkward or what, so please don't kill me for it, but I have to ask: | Sep 23 18:16 |
| DanielCantarin | Did anybody from the RMS cancellation campaing said anything about "rms.sexy"? | Sep 23 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I never saw this site | Sep 23 18:20 |
| schestowitz | lol | Sep 23 18:21 |
| DanielCantarin | Me neither. I was looking at it minutes ago, when the bot posted it here. | Sep 23 18:21 |
| schestowitz | what a weird domain name | Sep 23 18:21 |
| schestowitz | it's just a slideshow | Sep 23 18:21 |
| DanielCantarin | Precisely. | Sep 23 18:21 |
| DanielCantarin | Seems like a well intended light humor site. | Sep 23 18:21 |
| DanielCantarin | Yet, mixing "rms" and "sexy" in the same sentence this days... | Sep 23 18:22 |
| DanielCantarin | well... that. | Sep 23 18:22 |
| MinceR | did this come first or the cancellation? | Sep 23 18:22 |
| DanielCantarin | IDK. Where did the bot get that link from? | Sep 23 18:23 |
| DanielCantarin | Updated Date: 2020-02-09T05:25:47.501ZCreation Date: 2014-02-27T11:42:01.625Z | Sep 23 18:24 |
| DanielCantarin | whois data. | Sep 23 18:24 |
| DanielCantarin | Seems unrelated with the cancel campaign. | Sep 23 18:24 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-fake-door-sign/ | Sep 23 18:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | Techrights | Sep 23 18:26 | |
| DanielCantarin | Oh, I get it now. The bot just parses urls, and the url was in the previous comment. | Sep 23 18:27 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | it used to do a lot more, before some APIs were deprecated | Sep 23 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/09/23/launching-the-european-ai-fund/ | Sep 23 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Launching the European AI Fund - The Mozilla Blog | Sep 23 19:03 | |
| schestowitz | just now | Sep 23 19:03 |
| DanielCantarin | :O | Sep 23 19:05 |
| schestowitz | [19:05] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #mozilla and #censorship agenda creep? https://blog.mozilla.org/firefox/how-to-spot-real-fake-news/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/a59c4853-0591-4620-b144-4b30d37955e7] | Sep 23 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | How to spot (and do something) about real fake news | The Firefox Frontier | Sep 23 19:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Sep 23 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | maybe they want to start a news channel and political party | Sep 23 19:07 |
| schestowitz | instead of just making a decent browser | Sep 23 19:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 23 19:07 |
| MinceR | the party of Copying What Google Does, Only Worse and Idiotic Trademark Policies | Sep 23 19:07 |
| DanielCantarin | Well... there's no such thing as "just" a web browser anymore, in the same sense as GNU is no longer "just an OS". | Sep 23 19:08 |
| DanielCantarin | I see no problem with political parties doing their thing in IT. | Sep 23 19:08 |
| MinceR | you will, eventually :> | Sep 23 19:09 |
| DanielCantarin | I actually hope so. I'm mostly pro-politics and anti-economicism. | Sep 23 19:09 |
| DanielCantarin | So, here's my beef with mozilla: "At Mozilla, we’ve seen first-hand the expertise that civil society can provide when it comes to the intersection of AI and consumer rights, racial justice, and economic justice. " | Sep 23 19:09 |
| DanielCantarin | "consumer" and "economical", like it's all about money and market. | Sep 23 19:10 |
| DanielCantarin | Whatever, something is something I guess. | Sep 23 19:10 |
| DanielCantarin | To be fair with them (and I'm doing an effort), it feels like... idk.. 75% of the world always laughted about Netscape and Mozilla ideas. I mean, it always looks like they're either doing something wrong or something without chance of winning. Yet, they're still there. | Sep 23 19:13 |
| DanielCantarin | Well... this time is both wrong and without chances: "At Mozilla, we believe that philanthropy has a key role to play in Europe’s digital transformation and in keeping AI trustworthy". | Sep 23 19:16 |
| DanielCantarin | https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/f/f9/MoFo_AI_Theory_of_Change_%28ToC%29_%E2%80%93_Landscape_Design.jpg | Sep 23 19:17 |
| schestowitz | doing article on https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2020/09/23/september-2020-web-server-survey.html | Sep 23 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.netcraft.com | September 2020 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News | Sep 23 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | anyone wants to add comment/quote? | Sep 23 19:18 |
| schestowitz | notice Microsoft | Sep 23 19:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:16] <DanielCantarin> Well... this time is both wrong and without chances: "At Mozilla, we believe that philanthropy has a key role to play in Europe’s digital transformation and in keeping AI trustworthy". | Sep 23 19:19 |
| schestowitz | philanthropy nowadays means rich people pretending not to be looters | Sep 23 19:19 |
| schestowitz | so poor choice of term imho | Sep 23 19:20 |
| DanielCantarin | Precisely. | Sep 23 19:20 |
| schestowitz | government sponsorship of stuff is NOT philanthropy | Sep 23 19:20 |
| schestowitz | if they build a road that's not philanthropy | Sep 23 19:20 |
| schestowitz | it's public service that the taxpayer pays for | Sep 23 19:20 |
| schestowitz | in the digital realm it can be radio towers | Sep 23 19:20 |
| schestowitz | with state-run radio station for weather and stuff | Sep 23 19:20 |
| DanielCantarin | If I understood the article right, it talks about Europe, but not the european union. | Sep 23 19:21 |
| DanielCantarin | It's a fund. | Sep 23 19:21 |
| schestowitz | too many buzzwords | Sep 23 19:21 |
| DanielCantarin | So, it looks like rich people doing rich people stuff, and not states. | Sep 23 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I only read bits of it | Sep 23 19:21 |
| schestowitz | rich people run states now | Sep 23 19:22 |
| schestowitz | in some states more than in other states | Sep 23 19:22 |
| DanielCantarin | Yes, of course. | Sep 23 19:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe mozilla wants to look into THAT | Sep 23 19:22 |
| schestowitz | "In February 2018, the Argentinian and Russian authorities carried out a joint raid" | Sep 23 19:22 |
| schestowitz | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/09/22/a-brilliant-conman | Sep 23 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Sep 23 19:22 | |
| schestowitz | just seen it seconds ago | Sep 23 19:23 |
| DanielCantarin | But rich people also runs Free Software lately. The point is that that's not supossed to be that way, and it's different to ask for states to get a little away from rich people other than ask rich people to give away money. | Sep 23 19:23 |
| DanielCantarin | 2015-2019 we had a right-wing goverment. | Sep 23 19:24 |
| DanielCantarin | That happened, and was nothing compared to the stuff we had to live. | Sep 23 19:24 |
| DanielCantarin | Can't type fast enough, so trust me on this: it was hell for about half the country here. | Sep 23 19:25 |
| DanielCantarin | And two monts after a center-letf goverment won the elections, covid came. | Sep 23 19:26 |
| DanielCantarin | So... we're kinda in the worst situation in our entire history right now. Real bad. | Sep 23 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I saw covid numbers in Argentina yesterday | Sep 23 19:28 |
| DanielCantarin | Right now it's all about covid and poverty in Argentina, so frankly nobody cares about the cocaine case. | Sep 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I kept an eye on them for months now | Sep 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | but yesterday it caught my eye | Sep 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | some nations staved it off for a while | Sep 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | and then it took over very fast | Sep 23 19:29 |
| DanielCantarin | Oh, Argentina was actually doing very well the first months. It actually was kind of an example for other countries. | Sep 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | quick lockdown | Sep 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | now 10k cases in a day | Sep 23 19:29 |
| DanielCantarin | Right. | Sep 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | and deaths follow | Sep 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | 6k here today | Sep 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | biggest in months | Sep 23 19:29 |
| DanielCantarin | It's the media. | Sep 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | we too lose control of it... again | Sep 23 19:29 |
| DanielCantarin | Here, in Argentina, it's all about the media. | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | maybe the gym will reclose soon | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | the media plays with public minds | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | now also social control media | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | not sure which is worse | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | but media plays a role in what people link to... in social control media | Sep 23 19:30 |
| DanielCantarin | I swear: I saw the media telling people to go out and get a beer, and even with a blanket if it was too cold for it. It was an active campaign anti-quarintine. | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | perception apparatus | Sep 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | some people like covid-10 | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | -19 | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | it makes people lose sight of other stuff | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | and get bailouts | Sep 23 19:31 |
| DanielCantarin | I call "social networks" media too. | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | destroy their small rivalks | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | gives them excuses for layoffs and automation | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | like no services at tills | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | no cash payments | Sep 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | more spying.. for your health, of course.... | Sep 23 19:32 |
| DanielCantarin | yup. That sounds pretty much like it. | Sep 23 19:32 |
| DanielCantarin | I could say a lot, real time english is hard for me. Thing is, Argentina was doing great, until shops started to open again, and public places, and stuff like that. | Sep 23 19:33 |
| schestowitz | if they don't reopen, it creates another issue | Sep 23 19:33 |
| schestowitz | but overfilled hospitals are also a burden | Sep 23 19:34 |
| schestowitz | so it's a lose-lose scenario | Sep 23 19:34 |
| schestowitz | and there's a tug from two direction | Sep 23 19:34 |
| DanielCantarin | The issue was already there, with or without covid. | Sep 23 19:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm just glad we never chose to have kids | Sep 23 19:34 |
| schestowitz | people with kids whom I speak to suffer | Sep 23 19:34 |
| schestowitz | for a whole lot of reasons | Sep 23 19:34 |
| DanielCantarin | I understand both people wanting to go out, and people wanting to open their business. I don't blame them at all. | Sep 23 19:34 |
| schestowitz | never mind the kids' pain or boredom | Sep 23 19:34 |
| schestowitz | which passes to the parents | Sep 23 19:34 |
| DanielCantarin | Yeah. I'ts unhealthy. | Sep 23 19:35 |
| schestowitz | many couples realise how much they hate each other and some realise kids are a pain | Sep 23 19:35 |
| schestowitz | covid broke the system | Sep 23 19:35 |
| schestowitz | and it won't be rebuild ever | Sep 23 19:35 |
| DanielCantarin | Not, thing about that when you live in a poor LATAM slum, with like 10 people in a small place, and no clean water.. | Sep 23 19:35 |
| schestowitz | or any time soon, maybe 5 years | Sep 23 19:35 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: same in US slums | Sep 23 19:36 |
| DanielCantarin | *I meant "now", not "not" | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | why many poor people pass around covid | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | not out of choice but a lack of option | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | not cost of mask | Sep 23 19:36 |
| DanielCantarin | And in Argentina wasn't happening! | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | see india's numbers | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | it spreads like wildfire there | Sep 23 19:36 |
| MinceR | maybe it will evolve and fix the system | Sep 23 19:36 |
| MinceR | by killing off all humans | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | eventualy | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | maybe 1000 years | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | maybe 100 | Sep 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | all species perish, eventually | Sep 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | future species will laugh at our stupid books that said we're "chosen ones' | Sep 23 19:37 |
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| DanielCantarin | It was a controled situation. Goverment did stuff, and people didn't die, quite simple. You know what happened? Suddenly the media started to compare controlled COVID neighbours to NAZI social control aparatus. | Sep 23 19:37 |
| DanielCantarin | That literally happened. | Sep 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | (chosen to set off lots of uranium splitting) | Sep 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: everything is "nazi" | Sep 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | when you want to make a point | Sep 23 19:38 |
| DanielCantarin | From a month to the next, everybody was talking here about the importance of freedom. | Sep 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | even leftists are "nazi" | Sep 23 19:38 |
| DanielCantarin | And everythin is "freedom" | Sep 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | blacks.. "nazis"... whites "nazi" | Sep 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | trump... "nazi"... pelosi... "nazo" | Sep 23 19:39 |
| DanielCantarin | yeah... happens all the time. | Sep 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | "nazi" | Sep 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Soup nazi | Sep 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | or nazi soup | Sep 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | freedom from covid | Sep 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | freedom not to contract it | Sep 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | that should also be a freedom, to shield oneself | Sep 23 19:39 |
| DanielCantarin | It's just word twisting. | Sep 23 19:39 |
| DanielCantarin | I don't blame freedom. | Sep 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | carlin said it ok | Sep 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | it's the freak show | Sep 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | you're born | Sep 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | welcome to the freak show | Sep 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | in Murica you get a front row seat | Sep 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | now the freak show gets to the high-suspense episode | Sep 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | enjoy the show | Sep 23 19:40 |
| DanielCantarin | My point is that Argentina was broken. It wasn't economics AND covid: it was how those thing where used by whom and with what ends. | Sep 23 19:41 |
| schestowitz | idiots will ensure your actions won't change much | Sep 23 19:41 |
| schestowitz | hoards of low-IQAnon | Sep 23 19:41 |
| MinceR | taco nazi | Sep 23 19:41 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5QLpj3onK0 | Sep 23 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taco Nazi - YouTube | Sep 23 19:41 | |
| zoobab | Look at this one: | Sep 23 19:41 |
| zoobab | https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2020/09/23/clause-8-episode-22-brad-watts-section-101-reform-efforts-116th-congress/id=125534/ | Sep 23 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ipwatchdog.com | Clause 8, Episode 22: Brad Watts - Section 101 Reform Efforts in the 116th Congress | Sep 23 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | Argentina is better off than most of s. america | Sep 23 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I recently learned a lot about its history | Sep 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I saw it | Sep 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | don't like to that site though :-) | Sep 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | that site is failing anyway | Sep 23 19:42 |
| DanielCantarin | Yeah... but we're losing like 300 hundred people per day man... it's devastating. It was at... idk... like 12 before people got to get their beers. | Sep 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | declining traffic and interaction | Sep 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | they became obsolete | Sep 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | as many patent debates were abandoned 2 years ago | Sep 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | killing many patent blogs | Sep 23 19:42 |
| schestowitz | 300 hundred =30,000 | Sep 23 19:43 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: I was right about COons | Sep 23 19:43 |
| schestowitz | his shitty bill got nowhere | Sep 23 19:44 |
| DanielCantarin | And the medical workers... man... it's war zone in the hospitals. They're dying too. | Sep 23 19:44 |
| schestowitz | even before covid-10 | Sep 23 19:44 |
| schestowitz | 19 | Sep 23 19:44 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: the medical workers should just chill and have a beer, man | Sep 23 19:44 |
| schestowitz | freedom | Sep 23 19:44 |
| schestowitz | freedom, man.. | Sep 23 19:44 |
| DanielCantarin | I'm sorry, it just make me so sad... I can't be sarcastic right now. | Sep 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | zoobab is in the world's covid-19 capital | Sep 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | world leader in deaths/capita | Sep 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | belgium | Sep 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: sorry, text does not convey tone | Sep 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I am using a serious tone | Sep 23 19:45 |
| schestowitz | more like anger | Sep 23 19:46 |
| schestowitz | last week we went past pubs | Sep 23 19:46 |
| DanielCantarin | I want freedom to mean something good. I want to WANT to defend freedom. | Sep 23 19:46 |
| schestowitz | no masks, no separation between househholds | Sep 23 19:46 |
| schestowitz | you'd think covid was a thing of the past | Sep 23 19:46 |
| schestowitz | and we are meanwhile so careful that we use sanitiser in the gym and watch each item of groceries individually | Sep 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | those people out there act like covid is just some fashionable thing of yesteryear | Sep 23 19:47 |
| DanielCantarin | Yeah. And that enrages me, but I also get it. What I can't tolerate is the media doing it on purpose. | Sep 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | they stand to gain | Sep 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | some do | Sep 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | not all | Sep 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | you know how cynical I am about media | Sep 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | esp. patent domain and tech | Sep 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | because I can scrutinise those better | Sep 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | the political media is bad on both sides | Sep 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | they play partisan games | Sep 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | in case the covidiots cause another major lock-down, we already have some food reserves here to limit travel, exposure, contact | Sep 23 19:49 |
| DanielCantarin | Do you believe there is an argument in defense of "independent" media? | Sep 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | we don't plan to get that virus any time soon... just not worth it, at the very least for longterm effects associated with it, based on cardiac and neural research | Sep 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | (which is still short-term) | Sep 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | they lack long-term data | Sep 23 19:50 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: media is a dirty term | Sep 23 19:50 |
| schestowitz | it implies some things exist purely to inform | Sep 23 19:50 |
| schestowitz | when I have a medical question, I ask a professor friend | Sep 23 19:50 |
| DanielCantarin | I mean, I consider TechRights media, but I hardly call it "independent" in "partisan" terms: It's pro-free-software, and that counts as "partisan" to me. | Sep 23 19:50 |
| schestowitz | the BBC cherry-picks who to ask and how to shorten their long interviews into sound bites | Sep 23 19:50 |
| schestowitz | to suit their overall message/agenda | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: we're a site | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | you can access the site | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | we pick sites we consider credibible | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | e.g. commondreams | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | RMS likes it also | Sep 23 19:51 |
| DanielCantarin | Make no mistake: I like it. | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | [14:33] <DaemonFC[m]> https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/09/21/bill-gates-global-agenda-and-how-we-can-resist-his-war-life?amp | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | [14:33] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.commondreams.org | Bill Gates' Global Agenda and How We Can Resist His War on Life | Common Dreams Views | Sep 23 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Bill Gates' Global Agenda and How We Can Resist His War on Life | Common Dreams Views | Sep 23 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | they usually hit the nail | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | on the head | Sep 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | so we link to that | Sep 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | and if we don't agree, we reassess the syndication list/domains | Sep 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | it's done manually | Sep 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | but narrowed down by topics and sources | Sep 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | google news became messy years ago. more junk than news | Sep 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | so you need to find rss feeds that are worth the time, then work around that dataset alone | Sep 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | with exclusions sometimes | Sep 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't see images in articles | Sep 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I read them all in kate | Sep 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | and that's "media" to me | Sep 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | it's a daily file | Sep 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | to be read in kate, in a font size (zoom) that suits me | Sep 23 19:53 |
| DanielCantarin | Point is, there's always bias, and I choose the bias I prefer. If you make a distintion in "media", I'm ok with that, but the bias is still a thing. And that was supossed to have it's days counted with early internet, and yet this is what we have today. | Sep 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | it's also partitioned a bit by domain and topic | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | bias towards lies | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | and towards truth | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | you can typically tell which is which | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | if you're not too tribal | Sep 23 19:54 |
| DanielCantarin | "Mass media", "common media", "social media", etc, is just money speaking. | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | judging more by reason than emotion | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | esp. if you understand the domain and can discern | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: they're mass because of mass money | Sep 23 19:54 |
| schestowitz | where does the money come from | Sep 23 19:55 |
| schestowitz | in/out | Sep 23 19:55 |
| schestowitz | those are the things we check | Sep 23 19:55 |
| schestowitz | commondreams has public irs filings | Sep 23 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I assessed them several times over the years to ensure I'm ok trusting them and sending them traffic | Sep 23 19:55 |
| schestowitz | guardian is now rogue | Sep 23 19:55 |
| schestowitz | and we know why | Sep 23 19:55 |
| schestowitz | there were also leaks | Sep 23 19:56 |
| schestowitz | and evidence showing they work with spy agencies etc. | Sep 23 19:56 |
| schestowitz | on ratting out, setting agenda, self-censorship | Sep 23 19:56 |
| schestowitz | so we boycott them | Sep 23 19:56 |
| schestowitz | zdnet is like a joke site to us now | Sep 23 19:56 |
| DanielCantarin | * sight * | Sep 23 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I thought about posting another screenshot of it today | Sep 23 19:56 |
| schestowitz | 75% of "Linux" is Microsoft SPANM | Sep 23 19:56 |
| schestowitz | just amazing | Sep 23 19:57 |
| DanielCantarin | TechRights is my home page since about a decade now, because I trust it. | Sep 23 19:57 |
| schestowitz | maybe by xmas it'll be Linux sectiob 100% microsoft | Sep 23 19:57 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: thank you, I noticed you link to the news-roundups | Sep 23 19:57 |
| DanielCantarin | But that is not enough: the world is getting nowere with that. | Sep 23 19:57 |
| schestowitz | that section gets the most ddos attacks these year | Sep 23 19:57 |
| schestowitz | they chose those pages because they're b/w-intensive | Sep 23 19:57 |
| DanielCantarin | Media is a thing that needs to be tackled. | Sep 23 19:57 |
| schestowitz | how? | Sep 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | you need to make something better and explain why the other is bad | Sep 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | which we try to do wrt tech and patent law | Sep 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | and other so-called 'ip' law | Sep 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | but we have limited resources (time mostly) | Sep 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | you can help by making english versions of articles | Sep 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | and then we republish | Sep 23 19:59 |
| DanielCantarin | No idea, of course. I'm just a guy. But have some doubts, and I'm looking for answers in my own way. | Sep 23 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I can go over the english and improve it | Sep 23 19:59 |
| DanielCantarin | Oh, thank you! I would love to write stuff for techrights. | Sep 23 19:59 |
| schestowitz | let's | Sep 23 19:59 |
| schestowitz | pocock 'donated' some articles of his recently | Sep 23 20:00 |
| DanielCantarin | Yet, time is also a constraint to me. | Sep 23 20:00 |
| DanielCantarin | I'll tell you something: I believe you're wrong about readon. | Sep 23 20:00 |
| DanielCantarin | *reason | Sep 23 20:00 |
| schestowitz | he covered important topics | Sep 23 20:00 |
| DanielCantarin | A few minutes ago, you wrote about using reason instead of emotions. | Sep 23 20:01 |
| DanielCantarin | I think that has short legs. | Sep 23 20:01 |
| DanielCantarin | We need to also embrace emotions. | Sep 23 20:01 |
| DanielCantarin | The enemy does that, and is doing a disaster with people. | Sep 23 20:01 |
| DanielCantarin | No idea how, of course. | Sep 23 20:02 |
| DanielCantarin | Just pointing the thing out. | Sep 23 20:02 |
| schestowitz | well, a mix | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I hate text | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't convey much of what I mean to say | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | re emotion | Sep 23 20:03 |
| DanielCantarin | he... text's not the problem: is it's speed. ;) | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | many choose TV channels based on what makes them "happy" | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | "good news" | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | "Trump beats COVID" | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | and "owns the lib" | Sep 23 20:03 |
| DanielCantarin | yup. | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | that's fun | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe | Sep 23 20:03 |
| DanielCantarin | And headlines instead of articles. | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | but it misleads them | Sep 23 20:03 |
| schestowitz | so they don't get news, they get a religion affirmation ceremony | Sep 23 20:04 |
| DanielCantarin | And twitter instead of blogger. | Sep 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | my dad watches cnn sometimes | Sep 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | then praises it | Sep 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, Howie Hawkins is on the ballot in Illinois. Won't matter too much. | Sep 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | even washpo (bezos) | Sep 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I keep telling him, they have their own agenda | Sep 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | and he says, "but they're against trump" | Sep 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democrats are too steong here for him to spoil anything. | Sep 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | and to him that's all that counts | Sep 23 20:04 |
| schestowitz | so if gates is "against covid" let's love gates | Sep 23 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says he's not running to win, so if Trump has any chance of winning a state, people should avoid Hawkins. | Sep 23 20:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yes, let him count | Sep 23 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if your state is like Biden +10 or something, it might be okay. | Sep 23 20:05 |
| schestowitz | it's how democracy should function | Sep 23 20:05 |
| DanielCantarin | I don't think he will end up loving gates. But yeah, he will vote for him. | Sep 23 20:05 |
| schestowitz | rms said, in swing states, vote biden | Sep 23 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He said he was trying to get ballot access for lower offices. Not win. | Sep 23 20:05 |
| schestowitz | florida is always an iffy one | Sep 23 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, people in Florida should definitely vote Biden. There's like maybe 7 or 8 states where it could plausibly go either way. | Sep 23 20:06 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: back on topic | Sep 23 20:06 |
| schestowitz | people have faith in sides | Sep 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't even have "faith" in gnu and linux | Sep 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | which is why I bash some aspects, inc. novell | Sep 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | we have a piece about red hat coming soon | Sep 23 20:07 |
| DanielCantarin | You don't? | Sep 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | waiting to clip some video of jim and sayta .. eww | Sep 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | *satya | Sep 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | faith implies support without reason | Sep 23 20:08 |
| DanielCantarin | I get you don't "marry" anybody, that's true. But would you say you don't "believe" in what you do? | Sep 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | it's against whistleblowing and stuff | Sep 23 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't believe in sticking with one script without reassessing it every now and then | Sep 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | my uncle (a judge) once said, only a donkey never changes an opinion | Sep 23 20:09 |
| DanielCantarin | I see. I agree. | Sep 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | if a company starts being bad, maybe you should change your views | Sep 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | and vice versa | Sep 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | with some journalists I used to condemn I'm now friends | Sep 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | they changed their tune | Sep 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | they learned to think gnu/linux is easy, as soon as they aCTUALLY TRIED it | Sep 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | SJVN is a mixed bag | Sep 23 20:10 |
| DanielCantarin | That you say sound a lot like what I call "politics". | Sep 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I think ZDNet corrupted him | Sep 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | and LF also | Sep 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | where the money comes fro | Sep 23 20:10 |
| DanielCantarin | But I was about to tell you: I'm in a doctoral course now, studying epistemology, and want to tackle emotions as an epistemic phenomenon. | Sep 23 20:12 |
| DanielCantarin | That's my way of looking for answers against mass media. | Sep 23 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to have Mandy go into the DMV 3 times. | Sep 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | you will never get everyone to adopt critical skills | Sep 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | and schools don't encourage them either | Sep 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | heck, many schools still teach BIBLE | Sep 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | you cannot teach religion and scepticism at the same time | Sep 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | otherwise the kids will laugh out loud at that "bible" class | Sep 23 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The people working there are too damned dumb to read the EAD extension letter from USCIS, so they tried to expire his new state ID we just renewed next March when the letter says his current EAD is hereby extended by "180 days past the date on the card.". | Sep 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | and then there's that national pride/patriotism they teach | Sep 23 20:13 |
| schestowitz | companies don't tolerate dissent | Sep 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | military less so | Sep 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | you can end up shooting your mates | Sep 23 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Finally a supervisor fixed it and got one that expires on September 1st next year. Last thing I want is to go to the DMV again sooner than I have to. Another 180 days (about a year from now) gives this COVID shit some more time to pass. | Sep 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | not a "friendly" fire | Sep 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it's easier to set people up like in computer games with colours and scores | Sep 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | it's better... for those in power | Sep 23 20:14 |
| schestowitz | farmowners, corporations, politicians | Sep 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | upside-down pyramids otherwise | Sep 23 20:15 |
| DanielCantarin | Thing is... evil people also has critical skills. They're just asses. | Sep 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | chain of command relies on obeying orders | Sep 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | with little or no disobedience | Sep 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | they tell us about "Fake news" | Sep 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | and how we need to assess sources | Sep 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | while actively lying to us | Sep 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | which is no coincidence | Sep 23 20:16 |
| DanielCantarin | It's been many years since I've used IRC for more than a few minutes. Last time was probably in the nineties maybe, perhaps early 2000s. And I don't remember feeling it "too fast", like I'm feeling it right now. Maybe it's about the language change. Thing is, I had trouble following the chat and trying to write. Will have to get used to it again, I | Sep 23 20:22 |
| DanielCantarin | guess. | Sep 23 20:22 |
| DanielCantarin | Damn, it makes me feel old. | Sep 23 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I've been doing a bunch of bankruptcy disputes. | Sep 23 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turns out I could tweak my credit score a bit more because some credit cards reported as charged off after the bankruptcy. | Sep 23 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Removing the charge-off and having it show "1 late payment" instead on 5 cards before the bankruptcy was worth another 12 FICO 8 points. | Sep 23 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's 21 points for disputes so far. | Sep 23 20:25 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: Fake News and AI Fund http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142472 [https://pleroma.site/objects/795257c9-e879-44a0-88b8-95eca3f7632b] | Sep 23 20:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, my score is still terrible, but it's less terrible. | Sep 23 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even in bankruptcy, there's some things you can start doing to repair your credit. First make sure everything is at least in the least negative light possible. | Sep 23 20:25 |
| DanielCantarin | Ehm... that's sound... nice, I guess? | Sep 23 20:27 |
| DanielCantarin | I mean... credit score is not a thing around here, I know nothing about it. | Sep 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | debt score :-) | Sep 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | lenience towards financial servitude | Sep 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | aka indictment or debt | Sep 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | euphemism "credit" | Sep 23 20:28 |
| DanielCantarin | Yeah, I kinda know what it is, and it's supossed to exists here... but in other countries it's kinda a life and death thing, while here is a thing for just a bunch of people. | Sep 23 20:29 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: art of rally, Navi, Proton http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142473 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8be47fa6-fb71-42cb-b9f8-3850dea6f4f7] | Sep 23 20:29 | |
| DanielCantarin | Argentinian middle class does not had problems with credit scored until... idk... 2018. Chile middle class, for example, doesn't know a life without debt. | Sep 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | what about 1990s argentina? | Sep 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | btw, elliot did a number on the country | Sep 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | the vulture capitalism who killed novell | Sep 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DanielCantarin: I'm trying to clean up whatever I can with disputes. I also opened some new credit cards after the bankruptcy (as an authorized user on one and a security deposit on the other). | Sep 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | (with help from others) | Sep 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to "prove you learned" by taking your lumps, then they start to put you on a longer leash. | Sep 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | elliot =paul singer's vulture capital firm | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DanielCantarin | Oh Daemon, that sounds awful. | Sep 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy is a double-edged sword. | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wipes out your debt when you're broke and so far behind you'll never catch up. | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it brands you with a public record for having "gone bankrupt" for 10 years, and it's harder to get a loan or even find a place to live. | Sep 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You might have to rent from slumlords for a few years until it's old enough to not be as damaging. | Sep 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You also have to really watch out for 8 years because you're prohibited from having another discharge for 8 years. So the next time I could file would be May 26, 2028. | Sep 23 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you get in trouble with creditors again, that's that. No bankruptcy court coming to the rescue. | Sep 23 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In my experience, people who file one bankruptcy, a lot of them file a second or third time. | Sep 23 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fear of the unknown is gone. It's like walking through a haunted house a second time. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DanielCantarin | Yeah, that's the deal with risks in general I guess. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Others, like me, just suffer such a disaster that they have to file once and that's that. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Plasma adventures - 5.19.4 tried and tested http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142475 [https://pleroma.site/objects/717d991b-9d4a-4fbe-a100-1555c3646e4d] | Sep 23 20:37 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some people never learn. My cousins are both on their third filings. | Sep 23 20:37 |
| DanielCantarin | Roy, we know Singer. He's in the papers here. "Vulture funds" IS a thing in our culture. Thing is, "credit" here is more of a problem in international business: middle class either can pay a credit, ot they can't, and that's it. "Being in debt" is not a thing of the people, but of the national state mostly. | Sep 23 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We actually didn't have a bankruptcy record during a recession year. It was actually set in 2005. | Sep 23 20:38 |
| DanielCantarin | What's yout business Daemon? | Sep 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Congress changed the law to add a mean test and everyone with lots of debt rushed to file before the law changed. | Sep 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <DanielCantarin "Roy, we know Singer. He's in the"> The world runs on credit. | Sep 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everything has been infested by banking while wages and profits are generally down. | Sep 23 20:40 |
| DanielCantarin | Yeah... I can see that. | Sep 23 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So how the economy is doing depends on how loose the banks are. | Sep 23 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The economy in the US was roaring in the 90s and 2000s on a bunch of false credit. | Sep 23 20:40 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KaOS 2020.09 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142476 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0532e041-019d-4508-85f0-ae66a1a9ed07] | Sep 23 20:41 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once bankruptcy laws tightened up and Congress passed regulatory reforms on mortgage and credit card companies, there was no real expansion after 2008. | Sep 23 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The banks used to be so loose that it was easy for even kids to lie on a credit card application and get outrageous spending limits. | Sep 23 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they would go broke and the bank would file a lawsuit and realize that a minor signed it and you can't have a binding contract with a minor. | Sep 23 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Oddly, Microsoft's Surface Duo is one of the few Android devices to ship with an unlocked bootloader. | Sep 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What do you make of that? | Sep 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | it's Microsoft | Sep 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't matter | Sep 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | and it barely sells afaij | Sep 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | afaik | Sep 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | no added value | Sep 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | another experiment | Sep 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | google just killed pixel btw | Sep 23 20:44 |
| schestowitz | who pays a thousand quid for a useless browser-as-OS? | Sep 23 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Truly laughable... | Sep 23 20:45 |
| DanielCantarin | Oh, don't laugh at me like that... I still use my FirefoxOS phone. :P | Sep 23 20:45 |
| DanielCantarin | It was just about ~USD 40 thoug, not 1k. | Sep 23 20:47 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Lenovo to roll out Ubuntu Linux 20.04 LTS across nearly 30 ThinkPads, ThinkStations http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142459#comment-26480 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3e711a74-3421-4d95-99cd-96b9a1a8966b] | Sep 23 20:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Is Open Source a Religion? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142471 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9723374e-0b81-423a-aa5e-3aa948a33883] | Sep 23 20:50 | |
| DanielCantarin | lol... nice question. | Sep 23 20:50 |
| DanielCantarin | No dude: it's just about people instead of about money. | Sep 23 20:51 |
| DanielCantarin | At least free software. Whoever asking that question most likely refers to that. | Sep 23 20:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I'm planning to buy a Pixel 5 on launch maybe. | Sep 23 20:54 |
| schestowitz | [20:45] <DanielCantarin> Oh, don't laugh at me like that... I still use my FirefoxOS phone. :P | Sep 23 20:54 |
| schestowitz | if it works, it works | Sep 23 20:54 |
| schestowitz | [20:51] <DanielCantarin> No dude: it's just about people instead of about money. | Sep 23 20:54 |
| schestowitz | the author of this article is tuxchick carla | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | the title is provocative | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | she's not trolling | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | linux.com/LF fired her | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | she works for suse now | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | and she was editor of linuxtoday for a while | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | def. pro-free sw | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | she also defended RMS | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | when the MIR riot broke out | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | *MIT | Sep 23 20:55 |
| schestowitz | not many other women spoke out in his support back then | Sep 23 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Linux Foundation doesn't really have much to do with Linux the software. | Sep 23 20:56 |
| schestowitz | what is Linux, Jim? | Sep 23 20:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a brand, Roy | Sep 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | is it good, jim? | Sep 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | yes, a good brand | Sep 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft give us 3 mil to borrow out name | Sep 23 20:59 |
| DanielCantarin | Oh, I didn't even read, just laughed at the article's title. | Sep 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | when did linux start, jim | Sep 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | 1991 in finland | Sep 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I boss the guy who started it | Sep 23 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I have a unix system | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | it's called "an apple" | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | it's unix | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | it's linux | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | same thing | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I run linux stuff like ls | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | actually,jim, that's gnu | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | what? | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | gnu | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | never heard of it, sorry | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | is this an apple thing? | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | no, apple dislikes gnu | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see... well, I like applle | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | apple loves Linux | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | microsoft loves Linux | Sep 23 21:00 |
| schestowitz | they show it with money | Sep 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I love money | Sep 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | so they love me | Sep 23 21:01 |
| DanielCantarin | So, Linux won. | Sep 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Jim loves by corporate overlords... good dog, jim, good dog | Sep 23 21:01 |
| MinceR | Linux got taken over by microshit | Sep 23 21:01 |
| MinceR | Linux lost | Sep 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: linux is everywhere | Sep 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | jim can charge to rent out LF seal of approval | Sep 23 21:01 |
| DanielCantarin | Yeah, it was sarcastic Mince. | Sep 23 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Jim won | Sep 23 21:01 |
| MinceR | oh. | Sep 23 21:01 |
| MinceR | jim plays in the microsoft team | Sep 23 21:02 |
| DanielCantarin | BuT CAn lINux dO 8K NEtFLxi????? THAts tHe reaL QUestiON!11 | Sep 23 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it's dead, jim | Sep 23 21:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | drm/eme killed the tab | Sep 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | report binary blob issue to google | Sep 23 21:04 |
| DanielCantarin | I use windows because there are not many programs to choose in linux. | Sep 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | they will add it to a million others | Sep 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | and pretend to care | Sep 23 21:05 |
| DanielCantarin | There are no games in linux, only in windows. | Sep 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | you need 20,000 games in windows | Sep 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | one for each day of your life's 60 years | Sep 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | linux has 'only' 6000 steam games | Sep 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | not enough | Sep 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | you run out after a day | Sep 23 21:05 |
| DanielCantarin | Yeah, right... "linux gaming"... do you mean xbill? | Sep 23 21:06 |
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| DanielCantarin | I think I'll stop with this sarcasm thing, or even I would end up reading myself as if I mean it. | Sep 23 21:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 23 21:08 |
| MinceR | or use snark marks | Sep 23 21:08 |
| DanielCantarin | How's that? | Sep 23 21:08 |
| DanielCantarin | My first full day in IRC in decades, sorry. Don't remember much commands, and don't know stuff that came after my tame. | Sep 23 21:09 |
| MinceR | i've seen some proposals but the most ascii-compatible was putting a tilde (~) at the end of the sentence. (i put it after the period, but i'm not sure if it was meant to work that way) | Sep 23 21:09 |
| DanielCantarin | *time | Sep 23 21:09 |
| MinceR | it's not irc-specific | Sep 23 21:09 |
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| DanielCantarin | There are some widely accepted syntax for highlighting and stuff, that maybe work here too. I'll try some. | Sep 23 21:10 |
| DanielCantarin | `test` | Sep 23 21:10 |
| DanielCantarin | Yep | Sep 23 21:10 |
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| DanielCantarin | ~test~ | Sep 23 21:10 |
| DanielCantarin | ``` test ``` | Sep 23 21:10 |
| DanielCantarin | nope | Sep 23 21:10 |
| schestowitz | [21:06] <DanielCantarin> Yeah, right... "linux gaming"... do you mean xbill? | Sep 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: no guarantee other irc clients will make sense of special syntax | Sep 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | no syntactic stuff in irc | Sep 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | unicode might be your best best | Sep 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | iso/utf-8 | Sep 23 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | DanielCantarin: Works for me, but it's just because Conversations does recognise those. | Sep 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | emojis | Sep 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | emoticons | Sep 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | some irc clients/OSes might support them | Sep 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | in unicode you can get upside down letters and stuff | Sep 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | bold, italics | Sep 23 21:22 |
| DanielCantarin | I'm ok with emoticons. Still call newer stuff that way. | Sep 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | DanielCantarin: https://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o=rn&id=60059&SEO=computer-science-university-of-cuba-18-years-creating-the-future | Sep 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | new | Sep 23 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.plenglish.com | Computer Science University of Cuba, 18 years creating the future | Sep 23 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | it says 'gnu' | Sep 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | and 'free s/w' | Sep 23 21:26 |
| schestowitz | it's cuban | Sep 23 21:26 |
| DanielCantarin | Saw it before in the news roundup, ty. | Sep 23 21:26 |
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| DanielCantarin | That's also some great news. People was saying nice things about the team behind Amnesia titles. | Sep 23 21:33 |
| DanielCantarin | They released the code under GPL. | Sep 23 21:33 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://wgntv.com/news/illinois-residents-can-apply-for-up-to-400-in-facebook-privacy-settlement/ | Sep 23 21:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | Illinois residents can apply for up to $400 in Facebook privacy settlement | WGN-TV | Sep 23 21:45 | |
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| Chaekyung | may I vent/share some unpopular thoughts? | Sep 23 21:52 |
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| Chaekyung | I decided to write something positive about GNOME for a change, so I started with the current "Community Engagement Challenge". https://www.gnome.org/challenge/ | Sep 23 21:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org | Community Engagement Challenge – GNOME | Sep 23 21:56 | |
| Chaekyung | one of the first things I see is "This has been amplified by the rise of web frameworks and the popularity of developing on macOS as a platform, as well as the continued failure to diversify the engineering pool away from white males." | Sep 23 21:57 |
| Chaekyung | https://www.gnome.org/challenge/faq/ | Sep 23 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org | Frequently Asked Questions – GNOME | Sep 23 21:57 | |
| Chaekyung | got to get rid of them "white males" | Sep 23 21:57 |
| Chaekyung | then I see their project is to promote openuk to kids https://openuk.uk/wp-content/themes/openuk/images/openuk-logo-alt.jpg | Sep 23 21:57 |
| Chaekyung | with a gay pride logo obviously. and a "code of respect". https://openuk.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Code-of-respect-Final-Aug-20.pdf written in Word on macOS, of course | Sep 23 21:58 |
| Chaekyung | since that's such open source | Sep 23 21:58 |
| Chaekyung | like if I hold my nose to avoid smelling the stench I still can't manage to write anything remotely positive or neutral about the foot desktop community | Sep 23 21:59 |
| DanielCantarin | I have no trouble with the "white male" or gay stuff. Sometimes I believe those analyses are right, and sometimes I feel like they're mixing issues; and that happens to me with any other thing TBH. People is biased. The problem is not bias, but how do people deal with it in every community. | Sep 23 22:04 |
| DanielCantarin | I do believe the rise of web frameworks is a problem from about 2010 to now, as well as the mac thing that person mentions. So maybe is right about the white males. Or maybe not. Shoulda read the whole thing, which I'm not gonna do now. | Sep 23 22:06 |
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| DanielCantarin | My problem with gnome, mainly, and right now, is the dumbening of everything they do. | Sep 23 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | DanielCantarin: oh | Sep 23 22:07 |
| DanielCantarin | And the breaking of stuff in the middle. | Sep 23 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | DanielCantarin: GNOME is ok but boring now days | Sep 23 22:08 |
| Chaekyung | >Hi, we don't accept web content bug reports here. Please report to gstreamer-vaapi first (on gitlab.freedesktop.org). They will tell you whether to move your bug report to WebKit Bugzilla. You can go straight to WebKit Bugzilla if you suspect it's not a gstreamer-vaapi problem. | Sep 23 22:09 |
| Chaekyung | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/epiphany/-/issues/1346#note_917711 | Sep 23 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gitlab.gnome.org | Video playback VAAPI results in wrong/broken colors in Epiphany 3.38 (#1346) · Issues · GNOME / Epiphany · GitLab | Sep 23 22:09 | |
| Chaekyung | I won't bother trying to file any more GNOME bug reports for software I don't even use | Sep 23 22:09 |
| Chaekyung | anyway, I do have a problem with that "bad white male" garbage and other obvious rascism | Sep 23 22:10 |
| DanielCantarin | Then tell them that. | Sep 23 22:12 |
| Chaekyung | lol https://yoona.everdot.org/i/angry_GNOMEs.jpg | Sep 23 22:13 |
| DanielCantarin | So... you did tell them that, I guess. :P | Sep 23 22:13 |
| Chaekyung | ;) | Sep 23 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://nypost.com/2020/09/22/seattle-pays-ex-pimp-150000-to-offer-alternatives-to-policing/ | Sep 23 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Seattle pays ex-pimp $150,000 to offer 'alternatives to policing' | Sep 23 22:16 | |
| DanielCantarin | That's some title for an article, alright. | Sep 23 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://nypost.com/2020/09/23/seattle-city-council-overrides-mayors-veto-of-policing-cuts/ | Sep 23 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Seattle City Council overrides mayor's veto of policing cuts | Sep 23 22:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Members of business groups were among those who spoke in favor of upholding the veto." | Sep 23 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they're getting their businesses looted and shut down by the Democrats. | Sep 23 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So eventually they just declare bankruptcy, tap out, and flee to another state if they can. | Sep 23 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Same thing going on in Illinois, New York, and California. | Sep 23 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why Virginia flipped from far right to far left so quickly. They leave and ruin some other state by voting for the same kind of people that trashed wherever they came from. | Sep 23 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana was gloating about how many people left Illinois and moved there. I was like, "Eh, don't be so eager for that. They'll move there because it's cheap and then in 10 years they'll take over the state, triple the taxes, cut the police in half, start dropping all the charges against half the rapists, looters, and murderers the cops do bring them until the cops give up and sleep on the job. | Sep 23 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just like Chicago. | Sep 23 22:24 |
| DanielCantarin | You seem to be describing the zerg more than US people. | Sep 23 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | zerg? | Sep 23 22:24 |
| DanielCantarin | videogames things. forget it. | Sep 23 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Virginia was a pretty big hit to the Republican Party, nationally. I mean, both in terms of Congress and the electoral votes. | Sep 23 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not a huge state, but it's not a small one either. The red/blue state math favored the Republicans more when they had Virginia in their column, and now it's kind of a tall order. | Sep 23 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Virginia looked pretty far gone though. The Republicans had it looking like Indiana part 2 there for a while. | Sep 23 22:26 |
| kingoffrance | well these codes are always enforced by "community leaders" -- its never trial by jury of your peers | Sep 23 22:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trying to regulate all the abortion clinics out of the state and stop people from voting. | Sep 23 22:26 |
| kingoffrance | so i guess that irks me regardless of whatever else the cocs say | Sep 23 22:26 |
| kingoffrance | its "alien" to me | Sep 23 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you get enough of the other side moving there and the fraction of a percent cut off by voter ID doesn't matter much, and then the Democrats repealed that. | Sep 23 22:27 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I just watched Putin's most recent UN speech and he only said one actual thing: We are the only entity we recognize with the authority to obstruct trade. | Sep 23 22:27 |
| kingoffrance | you are just giving them power as supposed "experts" | Sep 23 22:27 |
| scientes | Otherwise there were so many lies and threats, and re-hashing of cold-war non-sense, that it gave the incessant back-scratching a bitter taste. | Sep 23 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not sure your state will end up looking fantastic either way, but you notice that the riots aren't happening in states where they'll just call out the National Guard and everyone knows that. | Sep 23 22:28 |
| scientes | and I watched the entire 19 minutes | Sep 23 22:28 |
| DanielCantarin | I'm not sure i quite get your argument (sorry, I'm not in US, and english is not my first language). Are you saying leftist people flee from state to state because they get to bankrupcy because of bad leftist political management, or that right wing allow leftist to destroy states... I'm confused. | Sep 23 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They do it in Illinois because they know the Democrats don't care what happens to the city and to the people who are employed and paying taxes and trying to run a business. | Sep 23 22:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <DanielCantarin "I'm not sure i quite get your ar"> Yeah, they ruin everything. They pass laws that make it impossible to live there unless you're rich. | Sep 23 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They put the state's finances on the verge of collapse and then the answer is always more taxes. | Sep 23 22:29 |
| DanielCantarin | But do they tax the riches or everybody else? | Sep 23 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you deal with high taxes, and a real estate bubble. | Sep 23 22:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <DanielCantarin "But do they tax the riches or ev"> Illinois has the 9th most regressive tax structure in the country, but a lot of that is because when Republicans were running the state, they mandated a lot of flat taxes in the constitution. | Sep 23 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So when the Democrats took over, they raised taxes and it hit everyone. There's finally a constitutional amendment I can vote on this year to repeal part of the state constitution that requires a flat income tax. | Sep 23 22:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The law going into effect immediately if it passes would raise taxes on high earners. | Sep 23 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois would drop from the 9th most regressive total tax burden to somewhere in the 20s I think. | Sep 23 22:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, that's progress I would say. Flat taxes don't hurt the rich, in fact they're an insurance policy against tax hikes on the rich because if you want to raise taxes, people who can't afford them are going to hurt the most. | Sep 23 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, you have to piss off every single voter. | Sep 23 22:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Right? Because everyone with any job that's on the books is getting taxed and feels the pinch. | Sep 23 22:33 |
| DanielCantarin | Yep. Not the smartest move in an electoral year. | Sep 23 22:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I wonder how many eye pairs rolled when he talked. | Sep 23 22:33 |
| scientes | DanielCantarin, you are getting ignored for being idiotic | Sep 23 22:33 |
| scientes | XRevan86, he really just doesn't have anything to say | Sep 23 22:34 |
| scientes | and if he does have something to say, he feels he can't say it until the US collapses | Sep 23 22:34 |
| scientes | but for the most part he has already said those things | Sep 23 22:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: He can say "hey, lift all restrictions and you'll have the privilege to test our vaccine" | Sep 23 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it'll pass. Most of the opposition to it is pretty overtly just rich people who have been handed a soapbox by the media, but I looked at the ballot question and it's not confusing. | Sep 23 22:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It explains exactly what it would do. | Sep 23 22:35 |
| scientes | I feel there was a very real effort to get the US to agree to a multi-polar regional empire model | Sep 23 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US doesn't want to power share with anyone. | Sep 23 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The government is under this delusion that you can just continue shipping all your jobs to other countries and exporting all your wealth and then somehow contain a China. | Sep 23 22:36 |
| scientes | evidenced in Yandex's focus on getting translation parity with Google translate, but only for CIS languages | Sep 23 22:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Therr is no containment at some point. The UK had a bigger economy than China in 1997 when Hong Kong got handed over. | Sep 23 22:37 |
| DanielCantarin | Well... I have not the most remote idea of what are you talking about now, or why would I be being idiotic at all. I know shit about the US, as I'm in another part of the world. | Sep 23 22:37 |
| XRevan86 | Yandex just selled their e-money thing to Sberbank, and then right after bought Tinkoff Bank. | Sep 23 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now the UK is broke and they can barely even maintain a credible blue water Navy. | Sep 23 22:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're a joke. | Sep 23 22:37 |
| scientes | well the Russian market actually has decent money transfer services | Sep 23 22:37 |
| scientes | if that is what you are talking about | Sep 23 22:37 |
| scientes | "eMoney" is a term that means absolutely nothing to me | Sep 23 22:38 |
| scientes | as the concept of money that is not physical is a really stupid idea | Sep 23 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know what to call it. The PayPal or WebMoney kind of thing. | Sep 23 22:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think the UK matters anymore on the international stage. You have to be able to project force. And even the US can still do that. | Sep 23 22:38 |
| XRevan86 | called Yandex.Money | Sep 23 22:38 |
| scientes | because you are actually just talking about debt in that case | Sep 23 22:38 |
| scientes | and using this word "money" is just a big fat lie | Sep 23 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | Sberbank renamed it to yu-money | Sep 23 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The UK is sort of comatose at this point. | Sep 23 22:39 |
| XRevan86 | (ЮMoney) | Sep 23 22:39 |
| scientes | anyways, I don't care | Sep 23 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They also wag the human rights finger when they are slowly starving disabled people and putting out homeless spikes. | Sep 23 22:39 |
| scientes | if banks can't communicate what things are I don't give a damn | Sep 23 22:40 |
| XRevan86 | Just mentioned, 'cause that's odd and strange. | Sep 23 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw a video of people pouring quikrete over homeless spikes in the UK. They're apparently damned near everywhere. | Sep 23 22:40 |
| scientes | calling it a "Wallet" is honest however | Sep 23 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Problem solved, huh? | Sep 23 22:40 |
| scientes | and side steps the debt-asset issue | Sep 23 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might get one of those anti RFID wallets. | Sep 23 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do those work? | Sep 23 22:41 |
| scientes | but hell, I just re-read Wealth of Nations, and even he gets this stuff confused | Sep 23 22:41 |
| scientes | Adam Smith was really fuzzy on raw materials, which only Henry George later nailed | Sep 23 22:42 |
| scientes | and Henry George was very much buried as an economist | Sep 23 22:43 |
| scientes | he goes on and on about "Stock" but it is not really clear what he is talking about | Sep 23 22:44 |
| scientes | (Adam Smith) | Sep 23 22:44 |
| DanielCantarin | stonks | Sep 23 22:44 |
| scientes | and you could even use this to see a clear line from Adam Smith to *either* Marx or Henry George | Sep 23 22:45 |
| scientes | because Adam Smith's "Stock" can either mean usury or principal, and it is never clear which | Sep 23 22:46 |
| scientes | and he also believes in the non-sensicle idea that higher risk means higher interest | Sep 23 22:49 |
| scientes | without talking about the corner cases | Sep 23 22:49 |
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| kingoffrance | its true when you are dealing with real money higher risk == higher interest. its not true with usury == no skin in the game | Sep 23 22:58 |
| kingoffrance | and (scientes has me on ignore) if you go back | Sep 23 22:59 |
| kingoffrance | you will find canon law usury is unlawful...but theres a perpetual "indulgence" (look the other way) . | Sep 23 22:59 |
| kingoffrance | so thats permanent now basically | Sep 23 22:59 |
| kingoffrance | maybe some temporary measure for some war or another | Sep 23 23:00 |
| kingoffrance | but now is normal past few centuries | Sep 23 23:00 |
| kingoffrance | long before smith or marx were even born | Sep 23 23:00 |
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| scientes | >According to a June 2015 public opinion survey conducted by TNS, 92 percent of Russians are familiar with the service, and 44 percent regularly use Yandex.Money to make payments.[3] | Sep 23 23:01 |
| scientes | oh wow | Sep 23 23:01 |
| scientes | ok, that is why you mention it | Sep 23 23:01 |
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| scientes | so very similar to google wallet (and amazon also entered that market, and gets more traction that google ever did) | Sep 23 23:02 |
| scientes | paypal is something a bit different, as PayPal is a bank, except that it exists outside of very byzantine US banking regulation | Sep 23 23:02 |
| scientes | and is very much part of the shadow government | Sep 23 23:02 |
| scientes | which is why I do everything I can to avoid it | Sep 23 23:02 |
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| scientes | I hear that Russian avoid Russian banks in a very similar fashion | Sep 23 23:05 |
| scientes | keeping their money under the matresses | Sep 23 23:05 |
| scientes | (and given that complete lack of security of Visa and MasterCard, I don't blame them) | Sep 23 23:06 |
| scientes | but even the actual bank I had in the US fell apart due to cultural collapse | Sep 23 23:07 |
| scientes | and I abandoned them | Sep 23 23:07 |
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| DanielCantarin | Did styles from techrights changed? I see them different than I did about two hours ago. | Sep 23 23:20 |
| scientes | Google Translate recently added Uyghur https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/26/21154417/google-translate-new-languages-support-odia-tatar-turkmen-uyghur-kinyarwanda | Sep 23 23:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Google Translate supports new languages for the first time in four years, including Uyghur - The Verge | Sep 23 23:22 | |
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