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schestowitzthe web 'tech' moves too fastSep 23 00:00
schestowitzand new things are rarely backward compatible more than a few years backwardsSep 23 00:00
schestowitzwatch what happened to groklawSep 23 00:00
schestowitza bunch of static copies of pages with lots of loss of infoSep 23 00:01
schestowitzwe need to separate content from presenration and now just using cssSep 23 00:01
schestowitzrss is in a step in a positive directionSep 23 00:01
XRevan86schestowitz: You keep saying DDoS, but "old things" weren't good enough to handle enough load.Sep 23 00:01
schestowitzbut it's mostly for "latest" of somethingSep 23 00:01
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schestowitznot archives that are completeSep 23 00:01
MinceRa static site generator could separate content from presentation at minimal costSep 23 00:02
XRevan86i.e. Apache httpd with mpm_prefork, and mod_php that relies on that.Sep 23 00:02
schestowitzseems like "business model" drives all the trends nowSep 23 00:03
schestowitzrss doesn't fit inSep 23 00:03
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scientes> We must not direct the users towards proprietary software as if it were a solution, because proprietary software is the problem.Sep 23 07:14
scientesdangSep 23 07:14
scientestru thatSep 23 07:14
schestowitzcontext?Sep 23 07:17
schestowitzEdge spam?Sep 23 07:17
scientes 23 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Avoiding Ruinous Compromises - GNU Project - Free Software FoundationSep 23 07:17
schestowitz[06:54] <schestowitz> > 23 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(Sep 23 07:18
schestowitz[06:54] <schestowitz> > Sep 23 07:18
schestowitz[06:54] <schestowitz> > There are a lot of good points rebutting the disinformation in some ofSep 23 07:18
schestowitz[06:54] <schestowitz> > the replies.  But the main problem identified in the first message seemsSep 23 07:18
schestowitz[06:54] <schestowitz> > to be that an anti-copyleft paragraph got piggybacked onto a mostlySep 23 07:18
schestowitz[06:54] <schestowitz> > sound article and people are taking it as the truth, though it is not.Sep 23 07:18
schestowitz[06:54] <schestowitz> A lot of money was sunk into anti-GPL rhetoric.Sep 23 07:18
schestowitz(this is new)\Sep 23 07:18
schestowitzsent to me by someone hours afgoSep 23 07:18
schestowitz*agoSep 23 07:18
scientesLinus Torvalds was a massive hit to copyleftSep 23 07:18
scientesbecause the anti-GPLv3 crowd really drains energy from the movementSep 23 07:18
schestowitzhe was partly brainwashedSep 23 07:19
scientesbut once I put some thought into it, I could not come with a single convincing philosophical argument for GPLv2 over GPLv3Sep 23 07:19
scientesonly practical onesSep 23 07:19
schestowitzMicrosoft-connected propaganda got to himSep 23 07:19
schestowitzGroklaw deleted his rant (comment)Sep 23 07:20
schestowitzfor being roo rudeSep 23 07:20
schestowitz*tooSep 23 07:20
scientesbut RMS cuts right throught that Sep 23 07:20
schestowitzpre-coc groklawSep 23 07:20
scientesin that essay above he talks about "cognitive dissonance" of those that abvocate libre software but also compromiseSep 23 07:21
scientesand he is completely correctSep 23 07:21
schestowitzhe's often rightSep 23 07:22
scientes"Sep 23 07:23
scientesTo their credit, the authors of this paper emphasise the importance of including a LICENSE with your code, which - believe it or not - most other "recommendations" in the scientific literature don't mention at all, effectively keeping tons of scientific code unintentionally proprietary. "Sep 23 07:23
scientesthis is stupidSep 23 07:23
schestowitzthen again he has been thinking about it for almost 40 yearsSep 23 07:23
schestowitzand spoke to people for that long as well (on these issues)Sep 23 07:23
scienteslaw is a tool, and publically published science should be assumed to be a liberal license if no license is providedSep 23 07:23
scientesand maybe the GPLv3 is the most liberal license we haveSep 23 07:24
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kingoffranceeverything ive heard thats not how e.g. schools workSep 23 08:01
kingoffrance"publically published" there are lots of paywallsSep 23 08:01
kingoffrancedjb spoke of thisSep 23 08:02
kingoffranceplaces that wouldnt publish public domain stuffSep 23 08:02
kingoffrancethey actively fight against <most possible public license there is>Sep 23 08:03
kingoffrance"license" i should saySep 23 08:03
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schestowitz 23 08:36
schestowitz"A powerful tool for micromanagement."Sep 23 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ Corporate-led but also #debian (arguably increasingly corporate-led as well... Google, Microsoft...) communities are becoming far too censorious to be effective and broaden access to freedom, #freespeech aside Sep 23 08:36
schestowitzBy microaggression maybe, or victim-blamingSep 23 08:36
schestowitz 23 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ In my experience, people who call RMS "extreme" say a lot about themselves. Yes, nothing as scary as a pacifist who is tolerant towards many groups and who distrusts mass #surveillance etc. So "extremeeeee".... Sep 23 08:37
schestowitz"Simply a man who shows great vision and stands-by what he believes."Sep 23 08:37
schestowitzMany people still agree with him, _in spite_ of the smearsSep 23 08:37
scientesschestowitz, those people attack him because they dislike anyone that thinksSep 23 08:44
schestowitzthey shift the subjectSep 23 08:53
schestowitzbeardSep 23 08:53
schestowitztoenails/toejamSep 23 08:53
schestowitzvoice, belly, and so on..Sep 23 08:53
schestowitzto be expected when you don't want to debate the substance of the argumentSep 23 08:53
schestowitzbut if he looked "sexier", they'd call him womaniser or something (not that they don't use such smears already)Sep 23 08:54
schestowitzthings like, "he stared at her"Sep 23 08:54
schestowitzimagine the feelingsSep 23 08:54
schestowitzbeing stared atSep 23 08:54
schestowitzCried for an hour afterwards?Sep 23 08:54
schestowitzfelt violated because a person who is perhaps mildly aspergic stared?Sep 23 08:54
schestowitzWith Torvalds they use other angles, I've noticedSep 23 08:55
schestowitzsimilar to GuidoSep 23 08:55
schestowitz"elitist" angle often works against north EuropeansSep 23 08:55
scientesTorvalds similar to GuidoSep 23 08:56
scientesyeah Sep 23 08:56
schestowitzif he says the wrong thing, they'll tell us he supports TrumpSep 23 08:57
schestowitzSPANnil Bhartiya tried it on meSep 23 08:57
scientesthat said, I think you often make things more political than they areSep 23 08:57
schestowitzabrasive behaviour is presumed right-wingSep 23 08:59
schestowitzonce you leave technical aspects aside, you have licensing politics anywaySep 23 09:00
schestowitzand law-making, courts...Sep 23 09:00
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schestowitz 23 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SoylentNews Comments | Progress Towards a Mosquito Laser Defense SystemSep 23 09:28
schestowitz"Sep 23 09:28
schestowitzInterestingly while checking that techrights site I noticed this articleSep 23 09:28
schestowitz"Reminder: Vice Chair of the Linux Foundation’s Board is an Oracle Executive Who Used to Work for Microsoft"Sep 23 09:28
schestowitz []Sep 23 09:28
schestowitzWhat better way to destroy Linux than from the inside. Then they can claim that the free model can't work.Sep 23 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Reminder: Vice Chair of the Linux Foundation’s Board is an Oracle Executive Who Used to Work for Microsoft | TechrightsSep 23 09:28
schestowitz"Sep 23 09:28
schestowitz"Sep 23 09:28
schestowitzInterestingly while checking that techrights site I noticed this articleSep 23 09:28
schestowitz"Reminder: Vice Chair of the Linux Foundation’s Board is an Oracle Executive Who Used to Work for Microsoft"Sep 23 09:28
schestowitz []Sep 23 09:28
schestowitzWhat better way to destroy Linux than from the inside. Then they can claim that the free model can't work.Sep 23 09:28
schestowitz"Sep 23 09:28
schestowitzManners: "That website looks like someone barfed up some random spam emails and saved it in an html file. Where's your "article" nigger?"Sep 23 09:28
schestowitzx 23 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Good enough practices in scientific computingSep 23 09:36
schestowitzx 23 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Assange lawyer says Trump associates offered deal if WikiLeaks founder divulged hacked DNC emails didn’t come via Russia - MarketWatchSep 23 09:38
schestowitz# lots of lies being trotted out yet again, all over the netSep 23 09:38
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Chaekyunglol it's happening 23 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft Edge Is Coming To Linux In October 2020 - LinuxReviewsSep 23 14:22
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MinceRwhat for, thoughSep 23 14:23
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XRevan86You'd think it'd take less time to just build the bloody thing.Sep 23 14:23
MinceRlolSep 23 14:24
MinceRor just take crashium and replace the logo and the nameSep 23 14:24
XRevan86MinceR: It's the only logical course of action, Microsoft loses nothing, gains something. More telemetry senders, Microsoft ♥ Love stuff, etc.Sep 23 14:25
XRevan86MinceR: That's literally what they did.Sep 23 14:25
MinceRi knowSep 23 14:25
MinceRbut i meant in the binarySep 23 14:25
MinceRso they don't have to wait for it to buildSep 23 14:25
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Chaekyungit takes time, chromium is a very big compile. I know from something completely different I'm working onSep 23 14:26
Chaekyung,_8_GiB_RAMSep 23 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Template:Chromium 85 Compile Times - Athlon 5350 APU, 8 GiB RAM - LinuxReviewsSep 23 14:26
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XRevan86MinceR: Well, not that literally %).Sep 23 14:27
ChaekyungI'm actually a bit amazed that a zswap cache actually reduces performance, it's supposed to make your system fasterSep 23 14:27
XRevan86Chaekyung: Microsoft are experts in bloat, I doubt they noticed.Sep 23 14:27
XRevan86(and in C++)Sep 23 14:28
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz They spend more on the urban stores. The one in Huntington, Indiana wasn't even a supercenter until 2006.Sep 23 14:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates' Global Agenda and How We Can Resist His War on Life | Common Dreams ViewsSep 23 14:33
Chaekyungcheckline changed = polished and improvedSep 23 14:41
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schestowitz[14:26] <Chaekyung> it takes time, chromium is a very big compile. I know from something completely different I'm working onSep 23 15:32
schestowitzFirms with far smaller resources than shitesoft can do itSep 23 15:32
schestowitzand routinely, regular releasesSep 23 15:32
schestowitzI agrees with XRevan86 reSep 23 15:33
schestowitz[14:25] <XRevan86> MinceR: It's the only logical course of action, Microsoft loses nothing, gains something. More telemetry senders, Microsoft ♥ Love stuff, etc.Sep 23 15:33
schestowitzAnd they did this the day Firefox 81 was releasedSep 23 15:33
schestowitzso Linux sites didn't cover the mozilla releaseSep 23 15:33
schestowitzwhich was actually free-ish s/wSep 23 15:33
XRevan86Firefox releases two times a day, that's not surprising.Sep 23 15:33
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: i saw that article re GatesSep 23 15:34
schestowitzXRevan86: Edge never released for LinuxSep 23 15:35
schestowitzso it's vapourware versus a real thingSep 23 15:35
schestowitzanyway, thugs from Redmond have ways of gaming the mediaSep 23 15:35
schestowitzinc. briberySep 23 15:35
XRevan86Firefox will take a revanche in a month :)Sep 23 15:36
DaemonFC[m]Chromium runs on Linux so the port would be easy.Sep 23 15:37
DaemonFC[m]But few people would end up installing Edge.Sep 23 15:38
DaemonFC[m]Most Windows users would rrmove it if they could.Sep 23 15:38
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]:  Mostly Microsoft is crossing fingers people have forgot what they did 19 years ago.Sep 23 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Internet Explorer for UNIX - WikipediaSep 23 15:46
oiaohmTrack record for Microsoft releasing browser on non windows platforms is poor.Sep 23 15:47
MinceRpeople have forgot most of what microshit didSep 23 15:47
MinceRif they hadn't, the whole "microshit <3 linux" bullshit would have failed spectacularlySep 23 15:47
MinceRand shithub would have as many users as codeplexSep 23 15:47
MinceRpeople are dangerously stupid and this will be the undoing of the speciesSep 23 15:47
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psydroida friend of mine said that Google "deserved" the position and power it has now, when I said that people shouldn't have given them that power in the first placeSep 23 16:11
psydroidI haven't responded to what he said, I was just a bit perplexedSep 23 16:11
psydroidbut maybe that's a sign of the timesSep 23 16:11
XRevan86a friend of mine said that Putin "deserved" the position and power he has now, when I said that people shouldn't have given him that power in the first placeSep 23 16:13
XRevan86psydroid: pretty normalSep 23 16:13
MinceRhumans will deserve becoming extinctSep 23 16:13
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psydroidXRevan86, are humans that defeatist and subservient by nature?Sep 23 16:17
XRevan86psydroid: It's very conditional.Sep 23 16:17
psydroidI find it hard to wrap my head around that, but maybe I am the odd one out who doesn't give in to that kind of attitudeSep 23 16:17
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XRevan86psydroid: Humans also have a tendency of changing their opinions retroactively :)Sep 23 16:20
XRevan86Maybe in a few years your friend will say "I always suspected something was wrong with that Google thing"Sep 23 16:20
psydroidhahaSep 23 16:20
psydroidit sounds just like some CoC-blocked opinion straight from a corporation's handbookSep 23 16:21
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schestowitz[15:47] <MinceR> and shithub would have as many users as codeplexSep 23 16:41
schestowitzthey bought the users and projectsSep 23 16:41
schestowitznot shithubSep 23 16:41
schestowitzso they had users and projects from the startSep 23 16:41
schestowitzzemlin helps them get past antitrust barriersSep 23 16:42
schestowitzbasically he works for Microsoft part timeSep 23 16:42
schestowitzquestion is, how long before shithub becomes codeplex sized and shuts downSep 23 16:42
schestowitzgoogle code shut down too... and freshmeatSep 23 16:42
MinceRyeah, but if the users had a clue, they would have migrated their projects and left the siteSep 23 16:43
schestowitz[16:13] <XRevan86> a friend of mine said that Putin "deserved" the position and power he has now, when I said that people shouldn't have given him that power in the first placeSep 23 16:43
schestowitz"Trump deserves more than 8 years in office for what Obama and Hillary had him go through"Sep 23 16:43
schestowitz[16:21] <psydroid> it sounds just like some CoC-blocked opinion straight from a corporation's handbookSep 23 16:44
schestowitzGoogle censors mailing listsSep 23 16:44
schestowitze.g. GSoC communicationsSep 23 16:44
schestowitzit filters out Google criticsSep 23 16:44
schestowitzWe know this because a GSoC admin, Pocock, spoke about itSep 23 16:44
schestowitzhe spent years as mentor under gsocSep 23 16:44
schestowitzso people's general perception of GOogle is distorrtedSep 23 16:44
schestowitzthey bribe many eventsSep 23 16:44
schestowitzand scholarsSep 23 16:44
schestowitzgroups like EFFSep 23 16:45
schestowitzso you don't get an accurate picture of what they reallly areSep 23 16:45
schestowitzAssange published a book about themSep 23 16:45
schestowitz 23 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It SeemsSep 23 16:46
schestowitzalso 23 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-When Google Met Wikileaks: Assange, Julian: 9781944869113: BooksSep 23 16:49
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XRevan86schestowitz: And for Biden he deserves all 32 yearsSep 23 17:35
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XRevan86or maybe for lifeSep 23 17:49
XRevan86just to be sureSep 23 17:49
MinceRi say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure.Sep 23 17:49
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XRevan86- The patient is in critical condition, what do we do? Sep 23 17:54
XRevan86- Kill him, kill him now. Do it.Sep 23 17:54
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MinceR:>Sep 23 17:55
XRevan86Meanwhile, in St. Petersburg the COVID-19 situation worsens. One reaps what one sowed.Sep 23 17:56
DanielCantarinThe COVID thing seems to be worsening everywhere. Maybe it's my own bubble, but I'm not getting any good news from anywhere.Sep 23 17:57
XRevan86A month ago it seemed like nothing's really moving.Sep 23 17:58
XRevan86September kommt, happy travellers came back home, shit hit the fan.Sep 23 17:59
DanielCantarinWell... there are the vaccines. That's good news actually. But we're many months away from that.Sep 23 17:59
DanielCantarinThing seems to be that people is already tired, and losing fear of getting the virus.Sep 23 17:59
DanielCantarinI mean, generally speaking.Sep 23 17:59
XRevan86DanielCantarin: Then there's the survivor bias.Sep 23 18:00
XRevan86I walked through May unscathed, therefore I'm invincible.Sep 23 18:00
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DanielCantarinThat sounds like a young people thing to me, but I get it, yeah. Sep 23 18:01
DanielCantarinI mean: older people after May started to get news from many close people getting more and more sick.Sep 23 18:02
XRevan86But really, only about 30% of people wore masks in shops et al.Sep 23 18:02
DanielCantarinI'm in LATAM, so my May was not the same as yours. Here, stuff started later.Sep 23 18:02
XRevan86And older people somehow cared about them even less.Sep 23 18:02
XRevan86It seems like masks are making a comeback though, so maybe not all is lost.Sep 23 18:03
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DanielCantarinI'm so worried... people is getting crazy around here. Thing was already bad with just the dissinformation and economics... but now it's getting hellish with the virus and the anti-everything people. Sep 23 18:05
XRevan86At least it feels like Russians are mostly not crazy, just disinterested.Sep 23 18:05
XRevan86the distinction is not a very clear one though %)Sep 23 18:06
XRevan86what I mean is that people don't seem to take an active dissident position, like some Usonians doSep 23 18:07
DanielCantarinWe have anti-mask and anti-quarintine marchs here. Same seems to happen in Spain, Germany, and other places, all cosidered "serious countries" by people that usually talks shit about the third world.Sep 23 18:07
DanielCantarinI mean, people is getting the same kind of crazy all around the world.Sep 23 18:08
XRevan86Yes, that, haven't heard of these around here.Sep 23 18:08
MinceRhumanity is ripe for extinctionSep 23 18:08
MinceR(cat) 23 18:10
DanielCantarinThe USA numbers are shocking.Sep 23 18:10
zoobabI have the book "Google contre Wikileaks" in front of meSep 23 18:12
DaemonFC[m]I told the security guard at the dmv he looked like Bob Odenkirk.Sep 23 18:12
DaemonFC[m]He asked who that was.Sep 23 18:12
DaemonFC[m]I said, "Oh. He's Saul Goodman, the lawyer in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. I just thought I'd mention that because I saw you here last year and was thinking that."Sep 23 18:13
smnthermes> [04:54:02] schestowitz: but if he looked "sexier", they'd call him womaniser or something (not that they don't use such smears already)Sep 23 18:13
smnthermeshttps://rms.sexySep 23 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Our GNU/Lord and GNU/Savior is 100% sexy!Sep 23 18:13
schestowitzhi, DanielCantarinSep 23 18:14
DanielCantarinHi there :)Sep 23 18:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 23/9/2020: Lenovo’s Deeper GNU/Linux Dive and Tor Browser 10/Tails 4.10 []Sep 23 18:16
DanielCantarinIDK if this comment will be funny or awkward or what, so please don't kill me for it, but I have to ask: Sep 23 18:16
DanielCantarinDid anybody from the RMS cancellation campaing said anything about ""?Sep 23 18:17
schestowitzI never saw this siteSep 23 18:20
schestowitzlolSep 23 18:21
DanielCantarinMe neither. I was looking at it minutes ago, when the bot posted it here. Sep 23 18:21
schestowitzwhat a weird domain nameSep 23 18:21
schestowitzit's just a slideshowSep 23 18:21
DanielCantarinPrecisely. Sep 23 18:21
DanielCantarinSeems like a well intended light humor site.Sep 23 18:21
DanielCantarinYet, mixing "rms" and "sexy" in the same sentence this days...Sep 23 18:22
DanielCantarinwell... that.Sep 23 18:22
MinceRdid this come first or the cancellation?Sep 23 18:22
DanielCantarinIDK. Where did the bot get that link from?Sep 23 18:23
DanielCantarinUpdated Date: 2020-02-09T05:25:47.501ZCreation Date: 2014-02-27T11:42:01.625ZSep 23 18:24
DanielCantarinwhois data.Sep 23 18:24
DanielCantarinSeems unrelated with the cancel campaign.Sep 23 18:24
MinceRicSep 23 18:24
schestowitz 23 18:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | The Fake ‘Door Sign’ Used to Frame Richard Stallman and Misrepresent Him One Year Ago (the Media Never Corrected This Slanderous Allegation) | TechrightsSep 23 18:26
DanielCantarinOh, I get it now. The bot just parses urls, and the url was in the previous comment. Sep 23 18:27
MinceRindeedSep 23 18:27
schestowitzit used to do a lot more, before some APIs were deprecatedSep 23 18:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Sep 23 18:49
schestowitzDanielCantarin: 23 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Launching the European AI Fund - The Mozilla BlogSep 23 19:03
schestowitzjust nowSep 23 19:03
DanielCantarin:OSep 23 19:05
schestowitz[19:05] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #mozilla and #censorship agenda creep? []Sep 23 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How to spot (and do something) about real fake news | The Firefox FrontierSep 23 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.siteSep 23 19:07
schestowitzmaybe they want to start a news channel and political partySep 23 19:07
schestowitzinstead of just making a decent browserSep 23 19:07
MinceRlolSep 23 19:07
MinceRthe party of Copying What Google Does, Only Worse and Idiotic Trademark PoliciesSep 23 19:07
DanielCantarinWell... there's no such thing as "just" a web browser anymore, in the same sense as GNU is no longer "just an OS".Sep 23 19:08
DanielCantarinI see no problem with political parties doing their thing in IT.Sep 23 19:08
MinceRyou will, eventually :>Sep 23 19:09
DanielCantarinI actually hope so. I'm mostly pro-politics and anti-economicism.Sep 23 19:09
DanielCantarinSo, here's my beef with mozilla: "At Mozilla, we’ve seen first-hand the expertise that civil society can provide when it comes to the intersection of AI and consumer rights, racial justice, and economic justice. "Sep 23 19:09
DanielCantarin"consumer" and "economical", like it's all about money and market. Sep 23 19:10
DanielCantarinWhatever, something is something I guess.Sep 23 19:10
DanielCantarinTo be fair with them (and I'm doing an effort), it feels like... idk.. 75% of the world always laughted about Netscape and Mozilla ideas. I mean, it always looks like they're either doing something wrong or something without chance of winning. Yet, they're still there.Sep 23 19:13
DanielCantarinWell... this time is both wrong and without chances: "At Mozilla, we believe that philanthropy has a key role to play in Europe’s digital transformation and in keeping AI trustworthy". Sep 23 19:16
DanielCantarin 23 19:17
schestowitzdoing article on 23 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | September 2020 Web Server Survey | Netcraft NewsSep 23 19:18
schestowitzanyone wants to add comment/quote?Sep 23 19:18
schestowitznotice MicrosoftSep 23 19:18
schestowitz[19:16] <DanielCantarin> Well... this time is both wrong and without chances: "At Mozilla, we believe that philanthropy has a key role to play in Europe’s digital transformation and in keeping AI trustworthy". Sep 23 19:19
schestowitzphilanthropy nowadays means rich people pretending not to be lootersSep 23 19:19
schestowitzso poor choice of term imhoSep 23 19:20
DanielCantarinPrecisely.Sep 23 19:20
schestowitzgovernment sponsorship of stuff is NOT philanthropySep 23 19:20
schestowitzif they build a road that's not philanthropySep 23 19:20
schestowitzit's public service that the taxpayer pays forSep 23 19:20
schestowitzin the digital realm it can be radio towersSep 23 19:20
schestowitzwith state-run radio station for weather and stuffSep 23 19:20
DanielCantarinIf I understood the article right, it talks about Europe, but not the european union.Sep 23 19:21
DanielCantarinIt's a fund.Sep 23 19:21
schestowitztoo many buzzwordsSep 23 19:21
DanielCantarinSo, it looks like rich people doing rich people stuff, and not states.Sep 23 19:21
schestowitzI only read bits of itSep 23 19:21
schestowitzrich people run states nowSep 23 19:22
schestowitzin some states more than in other statesSep 23 19:22
DanielCantarinYes, of course.Sep 23 19:22
schestowitzmaybe mozilla wants to look into THATSep 23 19:22
schestowitz"In February 2018, the Argentinian and Russian authorities carried out a joint raid"Sep 23 19:22
schestowitz 23 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLESep 23 19:22
schestowitzjust seen it seconds agoSep 23 19:23
DanielCantarinBut rich people also runs Free Software lately. The point is that that's not supossed to be that way, and it's different to ask for states to get a little away from rich people other than ask rich people to give away money.Sep 23 19:23
DanielCantarin2015-2019 we had a right-wing goverment. Sep 23 19:24
DanielCantarinThat happened, and was nothing compared to the stuff we had to live.Sep 23 19:24
DanielCantarinCan't type fast enough, so trust me on this: it was hell for about half the country here.Sep 23 19:25
DanielCantarinAnd two monts after a center-letf goverment won the elections, covid came.Sep 23 19:26
DanielCantarinSo... we're kinda in the worst situation in our entire history right now. Real bad.Sep 23 19:26
schestowitzI saw covid numbers in Argentina yesterdaySep 23 19:28
DanielCantarinRight now it's all about covid and poverty in Argentina, so frankly nobody cares about the cocaine case.Sep 23 19:28
schestowitzI kept an eye on them for months nowSep 23 19:28
schestowitzbut yesterday it caught my eyeSep 23 19:28
schestowitzsome nations staved it off for a whileSep 23 19:28
schestowitzand then it took over very fastSep 23 19:29
DanielCantarinOh, Argentina was actually doing very well the first months. It actually was kind of an example for other countries.Sep 23 19:29
schestowitzquick lockdownSep 23 19:29
schestowitznow 10k cases in a daySep 23 19:29
DanielCantarinRight.Sep 23 19:29
schestowitzand deaths followSep 23 19:29
schestowitz6k here todaySep 23 19:29
schestowitzbiggest in monthsSep 23 19:29
DanielCantarinIt's the media.Sep 23 19:29
schestowitzwe too lose control of it... againSep 23 19:29
DanielCantarinHere, in Argentina, it's all about the media.Sep 23 19:30
schestowitzmaybe the gym will reclose soonSep 23 19:30
schestowitzthe media plays with public mindsSep 23 19:30
schestowitznow also social control mediaSep 23 19:30
schestowitznot sure which is worseSep 23 19:30
schestowitzbut media plays a role in what people link to... in social control mediaSep 23 19:30
DanielCantarinI swear: I saw the media telling people to go out and get a beer, and even with a blanket if it was too cold for it. It was an active campaign anti-quarintine.Sep 23 19:30
schestowitzperception apparatusSep 23 19:30
schestowitzsome people like covid-10Sep 23 19:31
schestowitz-19Sep 23 19:31
schestowitzit makes people lose sight of other stuffSep 23 19:31
schestowitzand get bailoutsSep 23 19:31
DanielCantarinI call "social networks" media too.Sep 23 19:31
schestowitzdestroy their small rivalksSep 23 19:31
schestowitzgives them excuses for layoffs and automationSep 23 19:31
schestowitzlike no services at tillsSep 23 19:31
schestowitzno cash paymentsSep 23 19:31
schestowitzmore spying.. for your health, of course....Sep 23 19:32
DanielCantarinyup. That sounds pretty much like it. Sep 23 19:32
DanielCantarinI could say a lot, real time english is hard for me. Thing is, Argentina was doing great, until shops started to open again, and public places, and stuff like that.Sep 23 19:33
schestowitzif they don't reopen, it creates another issueSep 23 19:33
schestowitzbut overfilled hospitals are also a burdenSep 23 19:34
schestowitzso it's a lose-lose scenarioSep 23 19:34
schestowitzand there's a tug from two directionSep 23 19:34
DanielCantarinThe issue was already there, with or without covid. Sep 23 19:34
schestowitzI'm just glad we never chose to have kidsSep 23 19:34
schestowitzpeople with kids whom I speak to sufferSep 23 19:34
schestowitzfor a whole lot of reasonsSep 23 19:34
DanielCantarinI understand both people wanting to go out, and people wanting to open their business. I don't blame them at all.Sep 23 19:34
schestowitznever mind the kids' pain or boredomSep 23 19:34
schestowitzwhich passes to the parentsSep 23 19:34
DanielCantarinYeah. I'ts unhealthy.Sep 23 19:35
schestowitzmany couples realise how much they hate each other and some  realise kids are a painSep 23 19:35
schestowitzcovid broke the systemSep 23 19:35
schestowitzand it won't be rebuild everSep 23 19:35
DanielCantarinNot, thing about that when you live in a poor LATAM slum, with like 10 people in a small place, and no clean water..Sep 23 19:35
schestowitzor any time soon, maybe 5 yearsSep 23 19:35
schestowitzDanielCantarin: same in US slumsSep 23 19:36
DanielCantarin*I meant "now", not "not"Sep 23 19:36
schestowitzwhy many poor people pass around covidSep 23 19:36
schestowitznot out of choice but a lack of optionSep 23 19:36
schestowitznot cost of mask Sep 23 19:36
DanielCantarinAnd in Argentina wasn't happening!Sep 23 19:36
schestowitzsee india's numbersSep 23 19:36
schestowitzit spreads like wildfire thereSep 23 19:36
MinceRmaybe it will evolve and fix the systemSep 23 19:36
MinceRby killing off all humansSep 23 19:36
schestowitzeventualySep 23 19:36
schestowitzmaybe 1000 yearsSep 23 19:36
schestowitzmaybe 100Sep 23 19:36
schestowitzall species perish, eventuallySep 23 19:37
schestowitzfuture species will laugh at our stupid books that said we're "chosen ones'Sep 23 19:37
*kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/ has joined #techrightsSep 23 19:37
DanielCantarinIt was a controled situation. Goverment did stuff, and people didn't die, quite simple. You know what happened? Suddenly the media started to compare controlled COVID neighbours to NAZI social control aparatus.Sep 23 19:37
DanielCantarinThat literally happened.Sep 23 19:37
schestowitz(chosen to set off lots of uranium splitting)Sep 23 19:38
schestowitzDanielCantarin: everything is "nazi"Sep 23 19:38
schestowitzwhen you want to make a pointSep 23 19:38
DanielCantarinFrom a month to the next, everybody was talking here about the importance of freedom. Sep 23 19:38
schestowitzeven leftists are "nazi"Sep 23 19:38
DanielCantarinAnd everythin is "freedom"Sep 23 19:38
schestowitzblacks.. "nazis"... whites "nazi"Sep 23 19:38
schestowitztrump... "nazi"... pelosi... "nazo"Sep 23 19:39
DanielCantarinyeah... happens all the time.Sep 23 19:39
schestowitz"nazi"Sep 23 19:39
schestowitzSoup naziSep 23 19:39
schestowitzor nazi soupSep 23 19:39
schestowitzfreedom from covidSep 23 19:39
schestowitzfreedom not to contract itSep 23 19:39
schestowitzthat should also be a freedom, to shield oneselfSep 23 19:39
DanielCantarinIt's just word twisting.Sep 23 19:39
DanielCantarinI don't blame freedom.Sep 23 19:40
schestowitzcarlin said it okSep 23 19:40
schestowitzit's the freak showSep 23 19:40
schestowitzyou're bornSep 23 19:40
schestowitzwelcome to the freak showSep 23 19:40
schestowitzin Murica you get a front row seatSep 23 19:40
schestowitznow the freak show gets to the high-suspense episodeSep 23 19:40
schestowitzenjoy the showSep 23 19:40
DanielCantarinMy point is that Argentina was broken. It wasn't economics AND covid: it was how those thing where used by whom and with what ends.Sep 23 19:41
schestowitzidiots will ensure your actions won't change muchSep 23 19:41
schestowitzhoards of low-IQAnonSep 23 19:41
MinceRtaco naziSep 23 19:41
MinceR 23 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Taco Nazi - YouTubeSep 23 19:41
zoobabLook at this one:Sep 23 19:41
zoobab 23 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Clause 8, Episode 22: Brad Watts - Section 101 Reform Efforts in the 116th CongressSep 23 19:41
schestowitzArgentina is better off than most of s. americaSep 23 19:41
schestowitzI recently learned a lot about its historySep 23 19:42
schestowitzzoobab: I saw itSep 23 19:42
schestowitzdon't like to that site though :-)Sep 23 19:42
schestowitzthat site is failing anywaySep 23 19:42
DanielCantarinYeah... but we're losing like 300 hundred people per day man... it's devastating. It was at... idk... like 12 before people got to get their beers.Sep 23 19:42
schestowitzdeclining traffic and interactionSep 23 19:42
schestowitzthey became obsolete Sep 23 19:42
schestowitzas many patent debates were abandoned 2 years agoSep 23 19:42
schestowitzkilling many patent blogsSep 23 19:42
schestowitz300 hundred =30,000Sep 23 19:43
schestowitzzoobab: I was right about COonsSep 23 19:43
schestowitzhis shitty bill got nowhereSep 23 19:44
DanielCantarinAnd the medical workers... man... it's war zone in the hospitals. They're dying too.Sep 23 19:44
schestowitzeven before covid-10Sep 23 19:44
schestowitz19Sep 23 19:44
schestowitzDanielCantarin: the medical workers should just chill and have a beer, manSep 23 19:44
schestowitzfreedomSep 23 19:44
schestowitzfreedom, man..Sep 23 19:44
DanielCantarinI'm sorry, it just make me so sad... I can't be sarcastic right now.Sep 23 19:45
schestowitzzoobab is in the world's covid-19 capitalSep 23 19:45
schestowitzworld leader in deaths/capitaSep 23 19:45
schestowitzbelgiumSep 23 19:45
schestowitzDanielCantarin: sorry, text does not convey toneSep 23 19:45
schestowitzI am using a serious toneSep 23 19:45
schestowitzmore like angerSep 23 19:46
schestowitzlast week we went past pubsSep 23 19:46
DanielCantarinI want freedom to mean something good. I want to WANT to defend freedom.Sep 23 19:46
schestowitzno masks, no separation between househholdsSep 23 19:46
schestowitzyou'd think covid was a thing of the pastSep 23 19:46
schestowitzand we are meanwhile so careful that we use sanitiser in the gym and watch each item of groceries individuallySep 23 19:47
schestowitzthose people out there act like covid is just some fashionable thing of yesteryearSep 23 19:47
DanielCantarinYeah. And that enrages me, but I also get it. What I can't tolerate is the media doing it on purpose.Sep 23 19:47
schestowitzthey stand to gainSep 23 19:47
schestowitzsome doSep 23 19:47
schestowitznot allSep 23 19:47
schestowitzyou know how cynical I am about mediaSep 23 19:47
schestowitzesp. patent domain and techSep 23 19:47
schestowitzbecause I can scrutinise those betterSep 23 19:48
schestowitzthe political media is bad on both sidesSep 23 19:48
schestowitzthey play partisan gamesSep 23 19:48
schestowitzin case the covidiots cause another major lock-down, we already have some food reserves here to limit travel, exposure, contactSep 23 19:49
DanielCantarinDo you believe there is an argument in defense of "independent" media?Sep 23 19:49
schestowitzwe don't plan to get that virus any time soon... just not worth it, at the very least for longterm effects associated with it, based on cardiac and neural researchSep 23 19:49
schestowitz(which is still short-term)Sep 23 19:49
schestowitzthey lack long-term dataSep 23 19:50
schestowitzDanielCantarin: media is a dirty termSep 23 19:50
schestowitzit implies some things exist purely to informSep 23 19:50
schestowitzwhen I have a medical question, I ask a professor friendSep 23 19:50
DanielCantarinI mean, I consider TechRights media, but I hardly call it "independent" in "partisan" terms: It's pro-free-software, and that counts as "partisan" to me.Sep 23 19:50
schestowitzthe BBC cherry-picks who to ask and how to shorten their long interviews into sound bitesSep 23 19:50
schestowitzto suit their overall message/agendaSep 23 19:51
schestowitzDanielCantarin: we're a siteSep 23 19:51
schestowitzyou can access the siteSep 23 19:51
schestowitzwe pick sites we consider credibibleSep 23 19:51
schestowitze.g. commondreamsSep 23 19:51
schestowitzRMS likes it alsoSep 23 19:51
DanielCantarinMake no mistake: I like it.Sep 23 19:51
schestowitz[14:33] <DaemonFC[m]> 23 19:51
schestowitz[14:33] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | Bill Gates' Global Agenda and How We Can Resist His War on Life | Common Dreams ViewsSep 23 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bill Gates' Global Agenda and How We Can Resist His War on Life | Common Dreams ViewsSep 23 19:51
schestowitzthey usually hit the nailSep 23 19:51
schestowitzon the headSep 23 19:51
schestowitzso we link to thatSep 23 19:52
schestowitzand if we don't agree, we reassess the syndication list/domainsSep 23 19:52
schestowitzit's done manuallySep 23 19:52
schestowitzbut narrowed down by topics and sourcesSep 23 19:52
schestowitzgoogle news became messy years ago. more junk than newsSep 23 19:52
schestowitzso you need to find rss feeds that are worth the time, then work around that dataset aloneSep 23 19:53
schestowitzwith exclusions sometimesSep 23 19:53
schestowitzI don't see images in articlesSep 23 19:53
schestowitzI read them all in kateSep 23 19:53
schestowitzand that's "media" to meSep 23 19:53
schestowitzit's a daily fileSep 23 19:53
schestowitzto be read in kate, in a font size (zoom) that suits meSep 23 19:53
DanielCantarinPoint is, there's always bias, and I choose the bias I prefer. If you make a distintion in "media", I'm ok with that, but the bias is still a thing. And that was supossed to have it's days counted with early internet, and yet this is what we have today.Sep 23 19:53
schestowitzit's also partitioned a bit by domain and topicSep 23 19:54
schestowitzbias towards liesSep 23 19:54
schestowitzand towards truthSep 23 19:54
schestowitzyou can typically tell which is whichSep 23 19:54
schestowitzif you're not too tribalSep 23 19:54
DanielCantarin"Mass media", "common media", "social media", etc, is just money speaking.Sep 23 19:54
schestowitzjudging more by reason than emotionSep 23 19:54
schestowitzesp. if you understand the domain and can discernSep 23 19:54
schestowitzDanielCantarin: they're mass because of mass moneySep 23 19:54
schestowitzwhere does the money come fromSep 23 19:55
schestowitzin/outSep 23 19:55
schestowitzthose are the things we checkSep 23 19:55
schestowitzcommondreams has public irs filingsSep 23 19:55
schestowitzI assessed them  several times over the years to ensure I'm ok trusting them and sending them trafficSep 23 19:55
schestowitzguardian is now rogueSep 23 19:55
schestowitzand we know whySep 23 19:55
schestowitzthere were also leaksSep 23 19:56
schestowitzand evidence showing they work with spy agencies etc.Sep 23 19:56
schestowitzon ratting out, setting agenda, self-censorshipSep 23 19:56
schestowitzso we boycott themSep 23 19:56
schestowitzzdnet is like a joke site to us nowSep 23 19:56
DanielCantarin* sight * Sep 23 19:56
schestowitzI thought about posting another screenshot of it todaySep 23 19:56
schestowitz75% of "Linux" is Microsoft SPANMSep 23 19:56
schestowitzjust amazingSep 23 19:57
DanielCantarinTechRights is my home page since about a decade now, because I trust it. Sep 23 19:57
schestowitzmaybe by xmas it'll be Linux sectiob 100% microsoftSep 23 19:57
schestowitzDanielCantarin: thank you, I noticed you link to the news-roundupsSep 23 19:57
DanielCantarinBut that is not enough: the world is getting nowere with that.Sep 23 19:57
schestowitzthat section gets the most ddos attacks these yearSep 23 19:57
schestowitzthey chose those pages because they're b/w-intensiveSep 23 19:57
DanielCantarinMedia is a thing that needs to be tackled.Sep 23 19:57
schestowitzhow?Sep 23 19:58
schestowitzyou need to make something better and explain why the other is badSep 23 19:58
schestowitzwhich we try to do wrt tech and patent lawSep 23 19:58
schestowitzand other so-called 'ip' lawSep 23 19:58
schestowitzbut we have limited resources (time mostly)Sep 23 19:58
schestowitzyou can help by making english versions of articlesSep 23 19:58
schestowitzand then we republishSep 23 19:59
DanielCantarinNo idea, of course. I'm just a guy. But have some doubts, and I'm looking for answers in my own way.Sep 23 19:59
schestowitzI can go over the english and improve itSep 23 19:59
DanielCantarinOh, thank you! I would love to write stuff for techrights.Sep 23 19:59
schestowitzlet'sSep 23 19:59
schestowitzpocock 'donated' some articles of his recentlySep 23 20:00
DanielCantarinYet, time is also a constraint to me. Sep 23 20:00
DanielCantarinI'll tell you something: I believe you're wrong about readon.Sep 23 20:00
DanielCantarin*reasonSep 23 20:00
schestowitzhe covered important  topicsSep 23 20:00
DanielCantarinA few minutes ago, you wrote about using reason instead of emotions.Sep 23 20:01
DanielCantarinI think that has short legs.Sep 23 20:01
DanielCantarinWe need to also embrace emotions.Sep 23 20:01
DanielCantarinThe enemy does that, and is doing a disaster with people.Sep 23 20:01
DanielCantarinNo idea how, of course.Sep 23 20:02
DanielCantarinJust pointing the thing out.Sep 23 20:02
schestowitzwell, a mixSep 23 20:03
schestowitzI hate textSep 23 20:03
schestowitzit doesn't convey much of what I mean to saySep 23 20:03
schestowitzre emotionSep 23 20:03
DanielCantarinhe... text's not the problem: is it's speed. ;)Sep 23 20:03
schestowitzmany choose TV channels based on what makes them "happy"Sep 23 20:03
schestowitz"good news"Sep 23 20:03
schestowitz"Trump beats COVID"Sep 23 20:03
schestowitzand "owns the lib"Sep 23 20:03
DanielCantarinyup.Sep 23 20:03
schestowitzthat's funSep 23 20:03
schestowitzmaybeSep 23 20:03
DanielCantarinAnd headlines instead of articles.Sep 23 20:03
schestowitzbut it misleads themSep 23 20:03
schestowitzso they don't get news, they get a religion affirmation ceremonySep 23 20:04
DanielCantarinAnd twitter instead of blogger.Sep 23 20:04
schestowitzmy dad watches cnn sometimesSep 23 20:04
schestowitzthen praises itSep 23 20:04
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, Howie Hawkins is on the ballot in Illinois. Won't matter too much.Sep 23 20:04
schestowitzeven washpo (bezos)Sep 23 20:04
schestowitzI keep telling him, they have their own agendaSep 23 20:04
schestowitzand he says, "but they're against trump"Sep 23 20:04
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats are too steong here for him to spoil anything.Sep 23 20:04
schestowitzand to him that's all that countsSep 23 20:04
schestowitzso if gates is "against covid" let's love gatesSep 23 20:05
DaemonFC[m]He says he's not running to win, so if Trump has any chance of winning a state, people should avoid Hawkins.Sep 23 20:05
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, let him countSep 23 20:05
DaemonFC[m]But if your state is like Biden +10 or something, it might be okay.Sep 23 20:05
schestowitzit's how democracy should functionSep 23 20:05
DanielCantarinI don't think he will end up loving gates. But yeah, he will vote for him.Sep 23 20:05
schestowitzrms said, in swing states, vote bidenSep 23 20:05
DaemonFC[m]He said he was trying to get ballot access for lower offices. Not win.Sep 23 20:05
schestowitzflorida is always an iffy oneSep 23 20:05
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, people in Florida should definitely vote Biden. There's like maybe 7 or 8 states where it could plausibly go either way.Sep 23 20:06
schestowitzDanielCantarin: back on topicSep 23 20:06
schestowitzpeople have faith in sidesSep 23 20:07
schestowitzI don't even have "faith" in gnu and linuxSep 23 20:07
schestowitzwhich is why I bash some aspects, inc. novellSep 23 20:07
schestowitzwe have a piece about red hat coming soonSep 23 20:07
DanielCantarinYou don't?Sep 23 20:07
schestowitzwaiting to clip some video of jim and sayta .. ewwSep 23 20:07
schestowitz*satyaSep 23 20:08
schestowitzfaith implies support without reasonSep 23 20:08
DanielCantarinI get you don't "marry" anybody, that's true. But would you say you don't "believe" in what you do?Sep 23 20:08
schestowitzit's against whistleblowing and stuffSep 23 20:08
schestowitzI don't believe in sticking with one script without reassessing it every now and thenSep 23 20:09
schestowitzmy uncle (a judge) once said, only a donkey never changes an opinionSep 23 20:09
DanielCantarinI see. I agree.Sep 23 20:09
schestowitzif a company starts being bad, maybe you should change your viewsSep 23 20:09
schestowitzand vice versaSep 23 20:09
schestowitzwith some journalists I used to condemn I'm now friendsSep 23 20:09
schestowitzthey changed their tuneSep 23 20:09
schestowitzthey learned to think gnu/linux is easy, as soon as they aCTUALLY TRIED itSep 23 20:10
schestowitzSJVN is a mixed bagSep 23 20:10
DanielCantarinThat you say sound a lot like what I call "politics".Sep 23 20:10
schestowitzI think ZDNet corrupted himSep 23 20:10
schestowitzand LF alsoSep 23 20:10
schestowitzwhere the money comes froSep 23 20:10
DanielCantarinBut I was about to tell you: I'm in a doctoral course now, studying epistemology, and want to tackle emotions as an epistemic phenomenon.Sep 23 20:12
DanielCantarinThat's my way of looking for answers against mass media.Sep 23 20:12
DaemonFC[m]I had to have Mandy go into the DMV 3 times.Sep 23 20:12
schestowitzyou will never get everyone to adopt critical skillsSep 23 20:12
schestowitzand schools don't encourage them eitherSep 23 20:12
schestowitzheck, many schools still teach BIBLESep 23 20:12
schestowitzyou cannot teach  religion and scepticism at the same timeSep 23 20:13
schestowitzotherwise the kids will laugh out loud at that "bible" classSep 23 20:13
DaemonFC[m]The people working there are too damned dumb to read the EAD extension letter from USCIS, so they tried to expire his new state ID we just renewed next March when the letter says his current EAD is hereby extended by "180 days past the date on the card.".Sep 23 20:13
schestowitzand then there's that national pride/patriotism they teachSep 23 20:13
schestowitzcompanies don't tolerate dissentSep 23 20:14
schestowitzmilitary less soSep 23 20:14
schestowitzyou can end up shooting your matesSep 23 20:14
DaemonFC[m]Finally a supervisor fixed it and got one that expires on September 1st next year. Last thing I want is to go to the DMV again sooner than I have to. Another 180 days (about a year from now) gives this COVID shit some more time to pass.Sep 23 20:14
schestowitznot a "friendly" fireSep 23 20:14
schestowitzit's easier to set people up like in computer games with colours and scoresSep 23 20:14
schestowitzit's better... for those in powerSep 23 20:14
schestowitzfarmowners, corporations, politiciansSep 23 20:15
schestowitzupside-down pyramids otherwiseSep 23 20:15
DanielCantarinThing is... evil people also has critical skills. They're just asses.Sep 23 20:15
schestowitzchain of command relies on obeying ordersSep 23 20:15
schestowitzwith little or no disobedienceSep 23 20:15
schestowitzthey tell us about "Fake news"Sep 23 20:15
schestowitzand how we need to assess sourcesSep 23 20:16
schestowitzwhile actively lying to usSep 23 20:16
schestowitzwhich is no coincidenceSep 23 20:16
DanielCantarinIt's been many years since I've used IRC for more than a few minutes. Last time was probably in the nineties maybe, perhaps early 2000s. And I don't remember feeling it "too fast", like I'm feeling it right now. Maybe it's about the language change. Thing is, I had trouble following the chat and trying to write. Will have to get used to it again, ISep 23 20:22
DanielCantaringuess.Sep 23 20:22
DanielCantarinDamn, it makes me feel old.Sep 23 20:23
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I've been doing a bunch of bankruptcy disputes.Sep 23 20:23
DaemonFC[m]Turns out I could tweak my credit score a bit more because some credit cards reported as charged off after the bankruptcy.Sep 23 20:24
DaemonFC[m]Removing the charge-off and having it show "1 late payment" instead on 5 cards before the bankruptcy was worth another 12 FICO 8 points.Sep 23 20:24
DaemonFC[m]So that's 21 points for disputes so far.Sep 23 20:25
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DaemonFC[m]I mean, my score is still terrible, but it's less terrible.Sep 23 20:25
DaemonFC[m]Even in bankruptcy, there's some things you can start doing to repair your credit. First make sure everything is at least in the least negative light possible.Sep 23 20:25
DanielCantarinEhm... that's sound... nice, I guess?Sep 23 20:27
DanielCantarinI mean... credit score is not a thing around here, I know nothing about it.Sep 23 20:27
schestowitzdebt score :-)Sep 23 20:28
schestowitzlenience towards financial servitudeSep 23 20:28
schestowitzaka indictment or debtSep 23 20:28
schestowitzeuphemism "credit"Sep 23 20:28
DanielCantarinYeah, I kinda know what it is, and it's supossed to exists here... but in other countries it's kinda a life and death thing, while here is a thing for just a bunch of people.Sep 23 20:29
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DanielCantarinArgentinian middle class does not had problems with credit scored until... idk... 2018. Chile middle class, for example, doesn't know a life without debt.Sep 23 20:30
schestowitzwhat about 1990s argentina?Sep 23 20:32
schestowitzbtw, elliot did a number on the countrySep 23 20:32
schestowitzthe vulture capitalism who killed novellSep 23 20:32
DaemonFC[m]DanielCantarin: I'm trying to clean up whatever I can with disputes. I also opened some new credit cards after the bankruptcy (as an authorized user on one and a security deposit on the other).Sep 23 20:32
schestowitz(with help from others)Sep 23 20:32
DaemonFC[m]You have to "prove you learned" by taking your lumps, then they start to put you on a longer leash.Sep 23 20:33
schestowitzelliot =paul singer's vulture capital firmSep 23 20:33
DanielCantarinOh Daemon, that sounds awful.Sep 23 20:33
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy is a double-edged sword.Sep 23 20:34
DaemonFC[m]It wipes out your debt when you're broke and so far behind you'll never catch up.Sep 23 20:34
DaemonFC[m]But it brands you with a public record for having "gone bankrupt" for 10 years, and it's harder to get a loan or even find a place to live.Sep 23 20:34
DaemonFC[m]You might have to rent from slumlords for a few years until it's old enough to not be as damaging. Sep 23 20:35
DaemonFC[m]You also have to really watch out for 8 years because you're prohibited from having another discharge for 8 years. So the next time I could file would be May 26, 2028. Sep 23 20:36
DaemonFC[m]So if you get in trouble with creditors again, that's that. No bankruptcy court coming to the rescue.Sep 23 20:36
DaemonFC[m]In my experience, people who file one bankruptcy, a lot of them file a second or third time.Sep 23 20:36
DaemonFC[m]The fear of the unknown is gone. It's like walking through a haunted house a second time.Sep 23 20:37
DanielCantarinYeah, that's the deal with risks in general I guess.Sep 23 20:37
DaemonFC[m]Others, like me, just suffer such a disaster that they have to file once and that's that.Sep 23 20:37
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DaemonFC[m]Some people never learn. My cousins are both on their third filings.Sep 23 20:37
DanielCantarinRoy, we know Singer. He's in the papers here. "Vulture funds" IS a thing in our culture. Thing is, "credit" here is more of a problem in international business: middle class either can pay a credit, ot they can't, and that's it. "Being in debt" is not a thing of the people, but of the national state mostly.Sep 23 20:38
DaemonFC[m]We actually didn't have a bankruptcy record during a recession year. It was actually set in 2005. Sep 23 20:38
DanielCantarinWhat's yout business Daemon?Sep 23 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Congress changed the law to add a mean test and everyone with lots of debt rushed to file before the law changed. Sep 23 20:39
DaemonFC[m]<DanielCantarin "Roy, we know Singer. He's in the"> The world runs on credit.Sep 23 20:39
DaemonFC[m]Everything has been infested by banking while wages and profits are generally down.Sep 23 20:40
DanielCantarinYeah... I can see that.Sep 23 20:40
DaemonFC[m]So how the economy is doing depends on how loose the banks are.Sep 23 20:40
DaemonFC[m]The economy in the US was roaring in the 90s and 2000s on a bunch of false credit.Sep 23 20:40
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DaemonFC[m]Once bankruptcy laws tightened up and Congress passed regulatory reforms on mortgage and credit card companies, there was no real expansion after 2008.Sep 23 20:41
DaemonFC[m]The banks used to be so loose that  it was easy for even kids to lie on a credit card application and get outrageous spending limits.Sep 23 20:42
DaemonFC[m]Then they would go broke and the bank would file a lawsuit and realize that a minor signed it and you can't have a binding contract with a minor.Sep 23 20:42
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Oddly, Microsoft's Surface Duo is one of the few Android devices to ship with an unlocked bootloader.Sep 23 20:43
DaemonFC[m]What do you make of that?Sep 23 20:43
schestowitzit's MicrosoftSep 23 20:44
schestowitzit doesn't matterSep 23 20:44
schestowitzand it barely sells afaijSep 23 20:44
schestowitzafaikSep 23 20:44
schestowitzno added valueSep 23 20:44
schestowitzanother experimentSep 23 20:44
schestowitzgoogle just killed pixel btwSep 23 20:44
schestowitzwho pays a thousand quid for a useless browser-as-OS?Sep 23 20:45
schestowitzTruly laughable...Sep 23 20:45
DanielCantarinOh, don't laugh at me like that... I still use my FirefoxOS phone. :PSep 23 20:45
DanielCantarinIt was just about ~USD 40 thoug, not 1k.Sep 23 20:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Lenovo to roll out Ubuntu Linux 20.04 LTS across nearly 30 ThinkPads, ThinkStations []Sep 23 20:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Is Open Source a Religion? []Sep 23 20:50
DanielCantarinlol... nice question.Sep 23 20:50
DanielCantarinNo dude: it's just about people instead of about money.Sep 23 20:51
DanielCantarinAt least free software. Whoever asking that question most likely refers to that.Sep 23 20:52
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DaemonFC[m]I'm planning to buy a Pixel 5 on launch maybe.Sep 23 20:54
schestowitz[20:45] <DanielCantarin> Oh, don't laugh at me like that... I still use my FirefoxOS phone. :PSep 23 20:54
schestowitzif it works, it worksSep 23 20:54
schestowitz[20:51] <DanielCantarin> No dude: it's just about people instead of about money.Sep 23 20:54
schestowitzthe author of this article is tuxchick carlaSep 23 20:55
schestowitzthe title is provocativeSep 23 20:55
schestowitzshe's not trollingSep 23 20:55 fired herSep 23 20:55
schestowitzshe works for suse nowSep 23 20:55
schestowitzand she was editor of linuxtoday for a whileSep 23 20:55
schestowitzdef. pro-free swSep 23 20:55
schestowitzshe also defended RMSSep 23 20:55
schestowitzwhen the MIR riot broke outSep 23 20:55
schestowitz*MITSep 23 20:55
schestowitznot many other women spoke out in his support back thenSep 23 20:56
DaemonFC[m]The Linux Foundation doesn't really have much to do with Linux the software.Sep 23 20:56
schestowitzwhat is Linux, Jim?Sep 23 20:58
schestowitzit's a brand, RoySep 23 20:59
schestowitzis it good, jim?Sep 23 20:59
schestowitzyes, a good brandSep 23 20:59
schestowitzMicrosoft give us 3 mil to borrow out name Sep 23 20:59
DanielCantarinOh, I didn't even read, just laughed at the article's title.Sep 23 20:59
schestowitzwhen did linux start, jimSep 23 20:59
schestowitz1991 in finlandSep 23 20:59
schestowitzI boss the guy who started itSep 23 20:59
schestowitzI have a unix systemSep 23 21:00
schestowitzit's called "an apple"Sep 23 21:00
schestowitzit's unixSep 23 21:00
schestowitzit's linuxSep 23 21:00
schestowitzsame thingSep 23 21:00
schestowitzI run linux stuff like lsSep 23 21:00
schestowitzactually,jim, that's gnuSep 23 21:00
schestowitzwhat?Sep 23 21:00
schestowitzgnuSep 23 21:00
schestowitznever heard of it, sorrySep 23 21:00
schestowitzis this an apple thing?Sep 23 21:00
schestowitzno, apple dislikes gnuSep 23 21:00
schestowitzoh, I see... well, I like applleSep 23 21:00
schestowitzapple loves LinuxSep 23 21:00
schestowitzmicrosoft loves LinuxSep 23 21:00
schestowitzthey show it with moneySep 23 21:01
schestowitzI love moneySep 23 21:01
schestowitzso they love meSep 23 21:01
DanielCantarinSo, Linux won.Sep 23 21:01
schestowitzJim loves by corporate overlords... good dog, jim, good dogSep 23 21:01
MinceRLinux got taken over by microshitSep 23 21:01
MinceRLinux lostSep 23 21:01
schestowitzDanielCantarin: linux is everywhereSep 23 21:01
schestowitzjim can charge to rent out LF seal of approvalSep 23 21:01
DanielCantarinYeah, it was sarcastic Mince.Sep 23 21:01
schestowitzJim wonSep 23 21:01
MinceRoh.Sep 23 21:01
MinceRjim plays in the microsoft teamSep 23 21:02
DanielCantarinBuT CAn lINux dO 8K NEtFLxi????? THAts tHe reaL QUestiON!11Sep 23 21:03
schestowitzit's dead, jimSep 23 21:04
MinceRlolSep 23 21:04
schestowitzdrm/eme  killed the tabSep 23 21:04
schestowitzreport binary blob issue to googleSep 23 21:04
DanielCantarinI use windows because there are not many programs to choose in linux. Sep 23 21:04
schestowitzthey will add it to a million othersSep 23 21:04
schestowitzand pretend to careSep 23 21:05
DanielCantarinThere are no games in linux, only in windows.Sep 23 21:05
schestowitzyou need 20,000 games in windowsSep 23 21:05
schestowitzone for each day of your life's 60 yearsSep 23 21:05
schestowitzlinux has 'only' 6000 steam gamesSep 23 21:05
schestowitznot enoughSep 23 21:05
schestowitzyou run out after a daySep 23 21:05
DanielCantarinYeah, right... "linux gaming"... do you mean xbill?Sep 23 21:06
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DanielCantarinI think I'll stop with this sarcasm thing, or even I would end up reading myself as if I mean it.Sep 23 21:07
MinceR:>Sep 23 21:08
MinceRor use snark marksSep 23 21:08
DanielCantarinHow's that?Sep 23 21:08
DanielCantarinMy first full day in IRC in decades, sorry. Don't remember much commands, and don't know stuff that came after my tame.Sep 23 21:09
MinceRi've seen some proposals but the most ascii-compatible was putting a tilde (~) at the end of the sentence. (i put it after the period, but i'm not sure if it was meant to work that way)Sep 23 21:09
DanielCantarin*timeSep 23 21:09
MinceRit's not irc-specificSep 23 21:09
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DanielCantarinThere are some widely accepted syntax for highlighting and stuff, that maybe work here too. I'll try some.Sep 23 21:10
DanielCantarin`test`Sep 23 21:10
DanielCantarinYepSep 23 21:10
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DanielCantarin~test~Sep 23 21:10
DanielCantarin``` test ```Sep 23 21:10
DanielCantarinnopeSep 23 21:10
schestowitz[21:06] <DanielCantarin> Yeah, right... "linux gaming"... do you mean xbill?Sep 23 21:20
schestowitzLOLSep 23 21:20
schestowitzDanielCantarin: no guarantee other irc clients will make sense of special syntaxSep 23 21:20
schestowitzno syntactic stuff in ircSep 23 21:20
schestowitzunicode might be your best bestSep 23 21:20
schestowitziso/utf-8Sep 23 21:20
XRevan86DanielCantarin: Works for me, but it's just because Conversations does recognise those.Sep 23 21:20
schestowitzemojisSep 23 21:20
schestowitzemoticonsSep 23 21:21
schestowitzsome irc clients/OSes might support themSep 23 21:21
schestowitzin unicode you can get upside down letters and stuffSep 23 21:22
schestowitzbold, italicsSep 23 21:22
DanielCantarinI'm ok with emoticons. Still call newer stuff that way.Sep 23 21:23
schestowitzDanielCantarin: 23 21:25
schestowitznewSep 23 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Computer Science University of Cuba, 18 years creating the futureSep 23 21:25
schestowitzit says 'gnu'Sep 23 21:25
schestowitzand 'free s/w'Sep 23 21:26
schestowitzit's cubanSep 23 21:26
DanielCantarinSaw it before in the news roundup, ty.Sep 23 21:26
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Amnesia: The Dark Descent and A Machine For Pigs out now as open source []Sep 23 21:28
DanielCantarinThat's also some great news. People was saying nice things about the team behind Amnesia titles.Sep 23 21:33
DanielCantarinThey released the code under GPL.Sep 23 21:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Illinois residents can apply for up to $400 in Facebook privacy settlement | WGN-TVSep 23 21:45
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Chaekyungmay I vent/share some unpopular thoughts?Sep 23 21:52
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ChaekyungI decided to write something positive about GNOME for a change, so I started with the current "Community Engagement Challenge". 23 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Community Engagement Challenge – GNOMESep 23 21:56
Chaekyungone of the first things I see is "This has been amplified by the rise of web frameworks and the popularity of developing on macOS as a platform, as well as the continued failure to diversify the engineering pool away from white males."Sep 23 21:57
Chaekyung 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Frequently Asked Questions – GNOMESep 23 21:57
Chaekyunggot to get rid of them "white males"Sep 23 21:57
Chaekyungthen I see their project is to promote openuk to kids 23 21:57
Chaekyungwith a gay pride logo obviously. and a "code of respect". written in Word on macOS, of courseSep 23 21:58
Chaekyungsince that's such open sourceSep 23 21:58
Chaekyunglike if I hold my nose to avoid smelling the stench I still can't manage to write anything remotely positive or neutral about the foot desktop communitySep 23 21:59
DanielCantarinI have no trouble with the "white male" or gay stuff. Sometimes I believe those analyses are right, and sometimes I feel like they're mixing issues; and that happens to me with any other thing TBH. People is biased. The problem is not bias, but how do people deal with it in every community.Sep 23 22:04
DanielCantarinI do believe the rise of web frameworks is a problem from about 2010 to now, as well as the mac thing that person mentions. So maybe is right about the white males. Or maybe not. Shoulda read the whole thing, which I'm not gonna do now.Sep 23 22:06
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DanielCantarinMy problem with gnome, mainly, and right now, is the dumbening of everything they do.Sep 23 22:07
sebsebsebDanielCantarin: oh Sep 23 22:07
DanielCantarinAnd the breaking of stuff in the middle.Sep 23 22:07
sebsebsebDanielCantarin: GNOME is ok but boring now days Sep 23 22:08
Chaekyung>Hi, we don't accept web content bug reports here. Please report to gstreamer-vaapi first (on They will tell you whether to move your bug report to WebKit Bugzilla. You can go straight to WebKit Bugzilla if you suspect it's not a gstreamer-vaapi problem.Sep 23 22:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Video playback VAAPI results in wrong/broken colors in Epiphany 3.38 (#1346) · Issues · GNOME / Epiphany · GitLabSep 23 22:09
ChaekyungI won't bother trying to file any more GNOME bug reports for software I don't even useSep 23 22:09
Chaekyunganyway, I do have a problem with that "bad white male" garbage and other obvious rascismSep 23 22:10
DanielCantarinThen tell them that. Sep 23 22:12
Chaekyunglol 23 22:13
DanielCantarinSo... you did tell them that, I guess. :PSep 23 22:13
Chaekyung;)Sep 23 22:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Seattle pays ex-pimp $150,000 to offer 'alternatives to policing'Sep 23 22:16
DanielCantarinThat's some title for an article, alright.Sep 23 22:21
DaemonFC[m] 23 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Seattle City Council overrides mayor's veto of policing cutsSep 23 22:21
DaemonFC[m]"Members of business groups were among those who spoke in favor of upholding the veto."Sep 23 22:21
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they're getting their businesses looted and shut down by the Democrats.Sep 23 22:21
DaemonFC[m]So eventually they just declare bankruptcy, tap out, and flee to another state if they can.Sep 23 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Same thing going on in Illinois, New York, and California.Sep 23 22:22
DaemonFC[m]That's why Virginia flipped from far right to far left so quickly. They leave and ruin some other state by voting for the same kind of people that trashed wherever they came from.Sep 23 22:22
DaemonFC[m]Indiana was gloating about how many people left Illinois and moved there. I was like, "Eh, don't be so eager for that. They'll move there because it's cheap and then in 10 years they'll take over the state, triple the taxes, cut the police in half, start dropping all the charges against half the rapists, looters, and murderers the cops do bring them until the cops give up and sleep on the job.Sep 23 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Just like Chicago.Sep 23 22:24
DanielCantarinYou seem to be describing the zerg more than US people.Sep 23 22:24
DaemonFC[m]zerg?Sep 23 22:24
DanielCantarinvideogames things. forget it.Sep 23 22:24
DaemonFC[m]Virginia was a pretty big hit to the Republican Party, nationally. I mean, both in terms of Congress and the electoral votes.Sep 23 22:25
DaemonFC[m]It's not a huge state, but it's not a small one either. The red/blue state math favored the Republicans more when they had Virginia in their column, and now it's kind of a tall order.Sep 23 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Virginia looked pretty far gone though. The Republicans had it looking like Indiana part 2 there for a while.Sep 23 22:26
kingoffrancewell these codes are always enforced by "community leaders" -- its never trial by jury of your peersSep 23 22:26
DaemonFC[m]Trying to regulate all the abortion clinics out of the state and stop people from voting.Sep 23 22:26
kingoffranceso i guess that irks me regardless of whatever else the cocs saySep 23 22:26
kingoffranceits "alien" to meSep 23 22:27
DaemonFC[m]But you get enough of the other side moving there and the fraction of a percent cut off by voter ID doesn't matter much, and then the Democrats repealed that.Sep 23 22:27
scientesXRevan86, I just watched Putin's most recent UN speech and he only said one actual thing: We are the only entity we recognize with the authority to obstruct trade.Sep 23 22:27
kingoffranceyou are just giving them power as supposed "experts"Sep 23 22:27
scientesOtherwise there were so many lies and threats, and re-hashing of cold-war non-sense, that it gave the incessant back-scratching a bitter taste.Sep 23 22:27
DaemonFC[m]Not sure your state will end up looking fantastic either way, but you notice that the riots aren't happening in states where they'll just call out the National Guard and everyone knows that.Sep 23 22:28
scientesand I watched the entire 19 minutesSep 23 22:28
DanielCantarinI'm not sure i quite get your argument (sorry, I'm not in US, and english is not my first language). Are you saying leftist people flee from state to state because they get to bankrupcy because of bad leftist political management, or that right wing allow leftist to destroy states... I'm confused.Sep 23 22:28
DaemonFC[m]They do it in Illinois because they know the Democrats don't care what happens to the city and to the people who are employed and paying taxes and trying to run a business.Sep 23 22:28
DaemonFC[m]<DanielCantarin "I'm not sure i quite get your ar"> Yeah, they ruin everything. They pass laws that make it impossible to live there unless you're rich.Sep 23 22:29
DaemonFC[m]They put the state's finances on the verge of collapse and then the answer is always more taxes.Sep 23 22:29
DanielCantarinBut do they tax the riches or everybody else?Sep 23 22:29
DaemonFC[m]So you deal with high taxes, and a real estate bubble.Sep 23 22:29
DaemonFC[m]<DanielCantarin "But do they tax the riches or ev"> Illinois has the 9th most regressive tax structure in the country, but a lot of that is because when Republicans were running the state, they mandated a lot of flat taxes in the constitution. Sep 23 22:30
DaemonFC[m]So when the Democrats took over, they raised taxes and it hit everyone. There's finally a constitutional amendment I can vote on this year to repeal part of the state constitution that requires a flat income tax.Sep 23 22:30
DaemonFC[m]The law going into effect immediately if it passes would raise taxes on high earners.Sep 23 22:31
DaemonFC[m]Illinois would drop from the 9th most regressive total tax burden to somewhere in the 20s I think.Sep 23 22:31
DaemonFC[m]So, that's progress I would say. Flat taxes don't hurt the rich, in fact they're an insurance policy against tax hikes on the rich because if you want to raise taxes, people who can't afford them are going to hurt the most.Sep 23 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Also, you have to piss off every single voter.Sep 23 22:32
DaemonFC[m]Right? Because everyone with any job that's on the books is getting taxed and feels the pinch.Sep 23 22:33
DanielCantarinYep. Not the smartest move in an electoral year.Sep 23 22:33
XRevan86scientes: I wonder how many eye pairs rolled when he talked.Sep 23 22:33
scientesDanielCantarin, you are getting ignored for being idioticSep 23 22:33
scientesXRevan86, he really just doesn't have anything to saySep 23 22:34
scientesand if he does have something to say, he feels he can't say it until the US collapsesSep 23 22:34
scientesbut for the most part he has already said those thingsSep 23 22:34
XRevan86scientes: He can say "hey, lift all restrictions and you'll have the privilege to test our vaccine"Sep 23 22:34
DaemonFC[m]I think it'll pass. Most of the opposition to it is pretty overtly just rich people who have been handed a soapbox by the media, but I looked at the ballot question and it's not confusing.Sep 23 22:34
DaemonFC[m]It explains exactly what it would do.Sep 23 22:35
scientesI feel there was a very real effort to get the US to agree to a multi-polar regional empire modelSep 23 22:35
DaemonFC[m]The US doesn't want to power share with anyone.Sep 23 22:35
DaemonFC[m]The government is under this delusion that you can just continue shipping all your jobs to other countries and exporting all your wealth and then somehow contain a China.Sep 23 22:36
scientesevidenced in Yandex's focus on getting translation parity with Google translate, but only for CIS languagesSep 23 22:36
DaemonFC[m]Therr is no containment at some point. The UK had a bigger economy than China in 1997 when Hong Kong got handed over.Sep 23 22:37
DanielCantarinWell... I have not the most remote idea of what are you talking about now, or why would I be being idiotic at all. I know shit about the US, as I'm in another part of the world.Sep 23 22:37
XRevan86Yandex just selled their e-money thing to Sberbank, and then right after bought Tinkoff Bank.Sep 23 22:37
DaemonFC[m]Now the UK is broke and they can barely even maintain a credible blue water Navy.Sep 23 22:37
DaemonFC[m]They're a joke.Sep 23 22:37
scienteswell the Russian market actually has decent money transfer servicesSep 23 22:37
scientesif that is what you are talking aboutSep 23 22:37
scientes"eMoney" is a term that means absolutely nothing to meSep 23 22:38
scientesas the concept of money that is not physical is a really stupid ideaSep 23 22:38
XRevan86scientes: I don't know what to call it. The PayPal or WebMoney kind of thing.Sep 23 22:38
DaemonFC[m]I don't think the UK matters anymore on the international stage. You have to be able to project force. And even the US can still do that.Sep 23 22:38
XRevan86called Yandex.MoneySep 23 22:38
scientesbecause you are actually just talking about debt in that caseSep 23 22:38
scientesand using this word "money" is just a big fat lieSep 23 22:39
XRevan86Sberbank renamed it to yu-moneySep 23 22:39
DaemonFC[m]The UK is sort of comatose at this point.Sep 23 22:39
XRevan86(ЮMoney)Sep 23 22:39
scientesanyways, I don't careSep 23 22:39
DaemonFC[m]They also wag the human rights finger when they are slowly starving disabled people and putting out homeless spikes.Sep 23 22:39
scientesif banks can't communicate what things are I don't give a damnSep 23 22:40
XRevan86Just mentioned, 'cause that's odd and strange.Sep 23 22:40
DaemonFC[m]I saw a video of people pouring quikrete over homeless spikes in the UK. They're apparently damned near everywhere.Sep 23 22:40
scientescalling it a "Wallet" is honest howeverSep 23 22:40
DaemonFC[m]Problem solved, huh?Sep 23 22:40
scientesand side steps the debt-asset issueSep 23 22:41
DaemonFC[m]I might get one of those anti RFID wallets.Sep 23 22:41
DaemonFC[m]Do those work?Sep 23 22:41
scientesbut hell, I just re-read Wealth of Nations, and even he gets this stuff confusedSep 23 22:41
scientesAdam Smith was really fuzzy on raw materials, which only Henry George later nailedSep 23 22:42
scientesand Henry George was very much buried as an economistSep 23 22:43
scienteshe goes on and on about "Stock" but it is not really clear what he is talking aboutSep 23 22:44
scientes(Adam Smith)Sep 23 22:44
DanielCantarinstonksSep 23 22:44
scientesand you could even use this to see a clear line from Adam Smith to *either* Marx or Henry GeorgeSep 23 22:45
scientesbecause Adam Smith's "Stock" can either mean usury or principal, and it is never clear whichSep 23 22:46
scientesand he also believes in the non-sensicle idea that higher risk means higher interestSep 23 22:49
scienteswithout talking about the corner casesSep 23 22:49
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kingoffranceits true when you are dealing with real money higher risk == higher interest.  its not true with usury == no skin in the game Sep 23 22:58
kingoffranceand (scientes has me on ignore) if you go backSep 23 22:59
kingoffranceyou will find canon law usury is unlawful...but theres a perpetual "indulgence" (look the other way) .Sep 23 22:59
kingoffranceso thats permanent now basicallySep 23 22:59
kingoffrancemaybe some temporary measure for some war or anotherSep 23 23:00
kingoffrancebut now is normal past few centuriesSep 23 23:00
kingoffrancelong before smith or marx were even bornSep 23 23:00
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scientes>According to a June 2015 public opinion survey conducted by TNS, 92 percent of Russians are familiar with the service, and 44 percent regularly use Yandex.Money to make payments.[3] Sep 23 23:01
scientesoh wowSep 23 23:01
scientesok, that is why you mention itSep 23 23:01
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scientesso very similar to google wallet (and amazon also entered that market, and gets more traction that google ever did)Sep 23 23:02
scientespaypal is something a bit different, as PayPal is a bank, except that it exists outside of very byzantine US banking regulationSep 23 23:02
scientesand is very much part of the shadow governmentSep 23 23:02
scienteswhich is why I do everything I can to avoid itSep 23 23:02
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scientesI hear that Russian avoid Russian banks in a very similar fashionSep 23 23:05
scienteskeeping their money under the matressesSep 23 23:05
scientes(and given that complete lack of security of Visa and MasterCard, I don't blame them)Sep 23 23:06
scientesbut even the actual bank I had in the US fell apart due to cultural collapseSep 23 23:07
scientesand I abandoned themSep 23 23:07
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DanielCantarinDid styles from techrights changed? I see them different than I did about two hours ago.Sep 23 23:20
scientesGoogle Translate recently added Uyghur 23 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Google Translate supports new languages for the first time in four years, including Uyghur - The VergeSep 23 23:22
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