●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, September 23, 2022 ●● ● Sep 23 [00:00] TR News (NEW): CentOS Continues Its Demise, Red Hat Issues Puff Pieces http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/CentOS_Continues_Its_Demise_Red_Hat_Issues_Puff_Pieces.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/CentOS_Continues_Its_Demise_Red_Hat_Issues_Puff_Pieces.gmi [00:00] TR Bot Tux Machines CentOS Continues Its Demise, Red Hat Issues Puff Pieces [00:01] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@4j9jkcntt88f2.irc) has joined #techrights [00:01] *bnchs (~bnchs@7tv7xg7ikabeq.irc) has joined #techrights [00:08] TR News Links 22/09/2022: ExTiX 22.9, Rust 1.64.0, Weston 11.0.0, New Mesa, and OpenCL 3.0.12 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/22/extix-22-9/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/22/extix-22-9/ [00:08] TR Bot Links 22/09/2022: ExTiX 22.9, Rust 1.64.0, Weston 11.0.0, New Mesa, and OpenCL 3.0.12 | Techrights [00:12] starstreak i like AlmaLinux over Rocky Linux [00:12] TR News (NEW): Servers: Containers, Clown Computing, and September 2022 Web Server Survey http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/Servers_Containers_Clown_Computing_and_September_2022_Web_Serve.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/Servers_Containers_Clown_Computing_and_September_2022_Web_Serve.gmi [00:12] TR Bot Tux Machines Servers: Containers, Clown Computing, and September 2022 Web Server Survey [00:12] schestowitz[TR] Alma= Microsofters [00:12] schestowitz[TR] Rocky= not [00:14] starstreak schestowitz[TR], what makes the difference? [00:14] starstreak rocky took forever to release version 9 [00:15] starstreak thats my reason for the preference [00:15] starstreak i used to prefer ScientificLinux vs Centos because SL was faster at releasing the latest rhel [00:15] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/today_s_leftovers.gmi [00:15] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [00:15] schestowitz[TR] speed is not everything [00:15] schestowitz[TR] anyhow.. [00:16] schestowitz[TR] if you want speed, use betas [00:17] starstreak what makes alma microsoft? [00:17] starstreak if i wanted speed (of releases) i'd choose centos 9 stream [00:17] starstreak centos 9 stream is a nice server os [00:18] starstreak but i think i would want openbsd or freebsd for a server tbh [00:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [00:20] MinceR make sure you have IPMI, then [00:21] MinceR so you can manually power it down when it gets stuck in shutdown :> [00:21] starstreak assuming it has the same bugs you've run into [00:21] MinceR it's the same systemd [00:21] MinceR of course it has the same bugs [00:21] starstreak BSD doesn't have systemd [00:22] highest_cubist_thrills oh, someone will find a way [00:22] highest_cubist_thrills thats why you need a bsd that doesnt have time for such bullshit [00:22] starstreak oh you're talking about centos, it doesn't have that bug [00:22] highest_cubist_thrills rc.d in openbsd is the very epitome of a canadian init system [00:22] MinceR i was talking about centos [00:23] highest_cubist_thrills its well-read, polite, unassuming, and doesnt involve itself with any of the fucking nonsense happening south in the united states of linuks [00:23] highest_cubist_thrills if you dont want to deal with rc.d it wont bother you [00:23] highest_cubist_thrills if you blamed something on rc.d that had fuck-all to do with it [00:23] highest_cubist_thrills it would probably still say "im sorry!" [00:23] highest_cubist_thrills and systemd is the precise opposite in every way. [00:24] highest_cubist_thrills its basically the epitome of a german douchebag init system [00:24] highest_cubist_thrills just the other day mjg thought he saw some "d/s energy" in hackers [00:24] highest_cubist_thrills i consider it a stretch. [00:24] highest_cubist_thrills systemd is entirely d/s energy, but he didnt notice that (or didnt mention it) [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills systemd is fine for submissive users [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills and being submissive is no crime [00:25] highest_cubist_thrills the problem is, the only safeword for systemd is openbsd [00:25] starstreak :3 [00:25] mjg59_ You don't think Acid Burn telling Dade that he'll be her slave has that? [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills You don't think Acid Burn telling Dade that he'll be her slave has that? <- i think the context of all that is just posturing and oneupmanship [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills i dont think youre insane for seeing that. [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills but i think its interesting that tahts where you take it [00:26] mjg59_ That's clearly not Dade's initial reaction [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills not because im a prude like roy [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills if i agreed, id have no problem admitting it [00:26] DaemonFC A stop job is running on.... [00:26] mjg59_ Hence the "You wish" bit tacked on afterwards [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills i dunno, ill watch it again (when im able-- great movie) [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills just to stay honest. [00:26] *DaemonFC "Fuck this". Holds power button. [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills but itll be a while [00:26] highest_cubist_thrills love the movie [00:27] highest_cubist_thrills love jolie. [00:27] highest_cubist_thrills loved most of all, the bit with the rotary phone. [00:27] highest_cubist_thrills that was awesome [00:27] highest_cubist_thrills we used to have one [00:27] DaemonFC mjg59_: kio_slave [00:27] DaemonFC :) [00:27] DaemonFC Mr. Slave [00:27] DaemonFC Plantation Mint tea. [00:27] highest_cubist_thrills but dont stop there [00:27] highest_cubist_thrills check out the d/s energy in free software projects [00:27] DaemonFC Doordash slave. [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills because i think thats FINE when its between consenting adults [00:28] starstreak mjg59_, i agree with you [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills but i dont consent to systemd [00:28] DaemonFC GULAG is a cockroach. [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills and it sucks that when i dont, it takes all my other "friends" away (im playing up that metaphor its true) [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills its not just d/s its control/abuse/gaslighting [00:28] DaemonFC No matter how bad the layoffs in Silly Valley get, he'll manage to curl up at the feet of the 1% and keep a job somewhere. [00:28] mjg59_ Everyone should have the freedom to run the software they want to [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills and everyone seems fine with that [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills Everyone should have the freedom to run the software they want to <- easy to say [00:28] mjg59_ And not be obliged to run software they don't want to [00:28] highest_cubist_thrills and apparently easy to destroy. [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills because it used to be a lot easier to do just that [00:29] DaemonFC mjg59_And not be obliged to run software they don't want to [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills and i was no expert back then [00:29] MinceR 23 012650 * DaemonFC "Fuck this". Holds power button. [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills i barely knew what i was doing [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills but i had more freedom at the time. [00:29] DaemonFC Speaking of which, how do I remove shim completely? [00:29] MinceR yeah, that's a bit more difficult in a data center :> [00:29] highest_cubist_thrills theyve worked a lot of little insinuations to this mess [00:29] MinceR what's all this d/s anyway? electron orbitals? [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills read microsofts pdf of "creating stickiness" [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills theyve done it [00:30] MinceR citroen DS? [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills mincer: think the scene in pulp fiction where dude has a ball in his mouth [00:30] highest_cubist_thrills (a red ball... not...) [00:30] mjg59_ Could have been sunburned [00:31] MinceR ic [00:31] highest_cubist_thrills fair point [00:31] highest_cubist_thrills /me would feel sorry for nearly anyone who had sunburn there [00:31] highest_cubist_thrills felt sorry for the guy in pulp fiction too [00:31] highest_cubist_thrills for different reasons obviously [00:33] highest_cubist_thrills And not be obliged to run software they don't want to <- i already went over the effects of secure boot being like election fraud [00:33] highest_cubist_thrills what they do to free software by chaining it altogether is more like gerrymandering [00:33] highest_cubist_thrills but i dont know how far this metaphor can go before it gives [00:34] highest_cubist_thrills metaphors always carry a risk of being nitpicked to death and the point being missed [00:34] highest_cubist_thrills of course there are also sloppy metaphors that get taken too seriously, which is the opposite problem [00:34] highest_cubist_thrills we could do without metaphors entirely but that would be like going around and popping everyones balloon [00:37] schestowitz[TR] 'secure' boot: assuring you boot into an NSA-approved POS with b ack doors [00:37] schestowitz[TR] security the mjg59_ way: it MUST have back doors [00:37] schestowitz[TR] back doors are security [00:37] schestowitz[TR] also, abuses are ethics [00:37] schestowitz[TR] lies and "facts" [00:37] schestowitz[TR] and picking on vulnerable victims is "social justice" [00:38] schestowitz[TR] microsoft is trust [00:38] schestowitz[TR] community is... trash [00:39] TR News "This tutorial will be helpful for beginners to install firefox 105 on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, Ubuntu 20.04, and Linux Mint 21." https://tipsonunix.com/2022/09/20/install-firefox-105-on-ubuntu-linux-mint/ [00:39] TR Bot Install Firefox 105 on Ubuntu / Linux Mint - Tips On Unix [00:39] DaemonFC MinceRyeah, that's a bit more difficult in a data center :> [00:40] DaemonFC Maybe that's why Lennart doesn't care about systemd causing shutdown hangs. [00:40] TR News How to Encrypt Sensitive Files Using GnuPG on Linux https://www.makeuseof.com/encrypt-sensitive-files-using-gnupg-linux/ Source: Make Use Of | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.makeuseof.com/encrypt-sensitive-files-using-gnupg-linux/ [00:40] TR Bot How to Encrypt Sensitive Files Using GnuPG on Linux [00:40] DaemonFC He can power off his laptop by force like I can. [00:40] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: not good [00:40] schestowitz[TR] you can lose data [00:41] schestowitz[TR] or break files [00:41] schestowitz[TR] happened to me recently [00:41] DaemonFC It's usually something unimportant that's hung. [00:41] schestowitz[TR] I created a bag animated gif [00:41] DaemonFC I actually set the timeout lower. [00:41] schestowitz[TR] it ran my machine out of ram [00:41] schestowitz[TR] had to forcible reboot [00:41] schestowitz[TR] and then the irc logs had binary crap in them [00:41] DaemonFC If it's not shut down in 20 seconds, the system just goes ahead and kills that service and proceeds. [00:41] schestowitz[TR] had to surgically remove out that cruft [00:41] schestowitz[TR] otherwise the log files for irc were not generated properlt [00:41] schestowitz[TR] all this because of a force shutdown [00:42] DaemonFC I have never seen something take longer than 5 seconds to shut down if it's responding. [00:42] DaemonFC 20 seconds should be more than sufficient. [00:42] DaemonFC systemd defaults to a minute and a half. [00:42] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:42] schestowitz[TR] in servers, 5 mins is a long time [00:42] schestowitz[TR] if you make the boot take 5 minutes longer [00:42] schestowitz[TR] that's downtime [00:43] schestowitz[TR] maybe the microsoft employee (lLP) thinks it's like windopws [00:43] schestowitz[TR] pray for 5 minutes, get coffee, listen to a song [00:43] *bnchs (~bnchs@7tv7xg7ikabeq.irc) has joined #techrights [00:43] schestowitz[TR] and then the application/task gets shut down [00:44] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:44] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:44] DaemonFC mjg59_'s community.....Dr. Pizza, Jeremy Soule, Alex Graveley, and Rick Jones. Microsoft family. [00:45] DaemonFC Don't forget it wasn't just Bill Gates on Epstein's flight logs. Paul Allen and Nathan Myhrvold were too! [00:45] DaemonFC Paul Allen....Well, he's dead. [00:46] MinceR but what sort of business card does he have? [00:47] schestowitz[TR] ballmer and gates were scheming to stealk allen's money [00:47] schestowitz[TR] when they found out he had gotten ill [00:47] schestowitz[TR] company of criminals and sociopaths [00:47] schestowitz[TR] organised crime basicaly [00:47] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/22/today_s_howtos.3.gmi [00:47] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [00:48] DaemonFC WHO SAID SIT DOWN!? WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! -Ballmer [00:48] DaemonFC Sweating out of every orifice. [00:49] TR News "Class::Plain provides a class syntax for the hash-based Perl OO." http://blogs.perl.org/users/yuki_kimoto/2022/09/classplain---a-class-syntax-for-the-hash-based-perl-oo.html [00:49] TR Bot - Class Syntax for Hash-Based Perl OO | Yuki Kimoto Perl Blog - Perl Club [blogs.perl.org] [00:49] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Could you describe the back doors? [00:49] DaemonFC I wonder if a 12 year old girl on Epstein's island had to have Ballmer's balls after the rest of Microsoft's executives took turns on her. [00:49] *scientes (~scientes@i23ixbmtbveke.irc) has joined #techrights [00:49] scientes fucking monkey bitch [00:49] TR News Niko Matsakis: Rust 2024the year of everywhere? http://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2022/09/22/rust-2024-the-year-of-everywhere/ [00:49] TR Bot Baby Steps [00:49] scientes rzd steals 1000 roubles from me, NO SHAME [00:49] schestowitz[TR] "WHO SAID SIT DOWN!? " [00:49] schestowitz[TR] [picks chair] [00:50] scientes I am just this dirty American that desreves to be robbed from [00:50] schestowitz[TR] rzd? [00:50] scientes and now I wont be able to get much to eat until the metro opens at 5 [00:50] scientes schestowitz, russian national railway company [00:51] schestowitz[TR] that's why few people choose to live in russia [00:51] scientes and behind glass too so I couldn't give her the smacking she desreved [00:51] schestowitz[TR] except those who are "stuck" there [00:51] schestowitz[TR] our money here still shows a dead person [00:51] schestowitz[TR] so we have necrocurrency [00:52] schestowitz[TR] soon chuckcoins [00:52] scientes schestowitz I have had George VI coins [00:52] scientes pure copper tooo [00:52] scientes so you are judging by the wrong feature [00:53] scientes the rouble coins are all super low domination because they are from the inflation crisis a few years back [00:53] scientes (and Georgia had an inflation crisis, that was long overdue, as soon as the Messiah left) [00:53] scientes which shows just how bankrupt that Ukraine version 2 is [00:53] scientes (I am not talking about Georgia, just those Tbilisi fucktards) [00:54] schestowitz[TR] georgia's on maaaa mind [00:54] scientes schestowitz it says that in the Tbilisi metro [00:54] scientes and there is also a Charlie Chaplain exhibition from before WW2 [00:55] scientes by an artist that was a huge fan [00:55] scientes you see, Charlie Chaplain was warning about Zyclon-B before the invasion of Poland [00:55] scientes so, before the war started [00:55] highest_cubist_thrills Charlie Chaplain was warning about Zyclon-B before the invasion of Poland <- brilliant [00:56] highest_cubist_thrills also he may have been gypsy (roma) [00:56] scientes highest_cubist_thrills, suck a dick [00:56] scientes /IGNORE highest_cubist_thrills [00:56] highest_cubist_thrills scientes: i think maybe crossed wires, but it depends [00:56] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin#/media/File:Charlie_Chaplin_portrait.jpg [00:56] TR Bot Charlie Chaplin - Wikipedia [00:56] highest_cubist_thrills on whether youre responding to what i just said, or something earlier [00:57] schestowitz[TR] had many wives [00:57] highest_cubist_thrills though its hard to get context from a single word. maybe try asking before you tell me what to do with dicks [00:57] schestowitz[TR] die in Switzerland [00:57] highest_cubist_thrills still, your choice [00:57] schestowitz[TR] had kids at old age [00:57] scientes https://web.archive.org/web/20101223191014/http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/4/newsid_2794000/2794107.stm [00:57] TR Bot BBC ON THIS DAY | 4 | 1975: Comic genius Chaplin is knighted [00:58] scientes schestowitz, also received some Oscars, where he totally doesn't belong with all those anti-commie fascists [00:58] schestowitz[TR] "On 1 March 1978, Chaplin's coffin was dug up and stolen from its grave by Roman Wardas and Gantcho Ganev. The body was held for ransom in an attempt to extort money from his widow, Oona Chaplin. The pair were caught in a large police operation in May, and Chaplin's coffin was found buried in a field in the nearby village of Noville. It was re-interred in the Corsier cemetery in a reinforced concrete vault" [00:58] scientes schestowitz, the Queen's bastard son is a bit of a fruitcake [00:59] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (connection closed) [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 42.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 63.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 144.95 [00:59] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@6gs2cik6ape4k.irc) has joined #techrights [00:59] schestowitz[TR] "His paternal grandmother came from the Smith family, who belonged to Romani people" [00:59] schestowitz[TR] so highest_cubist_thrills was right ● Sep 23 [01:00] highest_cubist_thrills yeah ssometimes im wrong but i dont just make this shit up [01:01] scientes but he also is just here to make trouble [01:01] schestowitz[TR] still alive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Chaplin [01:01] TR Bot Christopher Chaplin - Wikipedia [01:01] schestowitz[TR] many of his kids (11) were wll known [01:02] schestowitz[TR] "when Chaplin was born, his father was 73 years old" [01:02] MinceR "and when you're dying i'll be still alive" [01:03] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oona_O%27Neill [01:03] TR Bot Oona O'Neill - Wikipedia [01:04] scientes XRevan86, after seeing the deep cultural differences of Russia I don't think Abkhazia joining the Russian Federation makes any sense. Just act *as-if* it already was, but leaving the border crossing for trucks/cars, and instead extent RZD passenger service to Abkhazia, with a publically stated goal of going as far as Batumi. [01:04] schestowitz[TR] " In her last will, O'Neill, who was a prolific writer of diaries and letters during her life, ordered that all her writings be destroyed, and never published" [01:05] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oona_O%27Neill#/media/File:Charles_Chaplin_and_Oona_Chaplin_Grave_in_Corsier-sur-Vevey.JPG [01:05] TR Bot Oona O'Neill - Wikipedia [01:05] scientes note to self: in Russia it is not a good idea to do business with anyone behind a pane of glass. [01:06] *scientes (~scientes@i23ixbmtbveke.irc) has left #techrights (Leaving) [01:06] *scientes (~scientes@i23ixbmtbveke.irc) has joined #techrights [01:08] MinceR it's not even a good idea to _be_ in russia [01:08] XRevan86 scientes: Don't really understand. [01:08] MinceR unless you've brought an army with you [01:08] MinceR or at least a mecha or something. [01:08] scientes XRevan86, Russia has so much internal security [01:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:09] scientes that there is no disadvantage in being like Belarus [01:09] schestowitz[TR] 'security' [01:09] schestowitz[TR] to protect putin from his own people [01:09] scientes schestowitz I didn't *not* say that [01:09] scientes schestowitz have you been to the London airports? [01:09] scientes it is not any different [01:09] scientes the US airports are actually not like that [01:10] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills, scientes: We got a political channel #techpol now. [01:10] TR News (NEW): Audacity 3.2 Released with Real-Time and VST3 Effects, FFmpeg 5.0 and WavPack Support http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Audacity_3_2_Released_with_Real_Time_and_VST3_Effects_FFmpeg_5_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Audacity_3_2_Released_with_Real_Time_and_VST3_Effects_FFmpeg_5_.gmi [01:10] TR Bot Tux Machines Audacity 3.2 Released with Real-Time and VST3 Effects, FFmpeg 5.0 and WavPack Support [01:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:11] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/police-inmates-got-out-of-illinois-jail-with-pandemic-loans/ [01:11] TR Bot Police: Inmates got out of Illinois jail with pandemic loans | WGN-TV [01:11] DaemonFC More than two dozen criminals in Illinois got fake Paycheck Protection Program loans from the Trump administration and used them to post bail and flee. [01:16] DaemonFC https://archive.ph/dkLDX [01:16] TR Bot Gemini Portal [01:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:20] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/more-than-two-dozen-criminals-in-illinois-got-fake-paycheck-protection-program-loans-from-the-trump-administration-and-used-them-to-post-bail-and-flee/ [01:20] TR Bot More than two dozen criminals in Illinois got fake Paycheck Protection Program loans from the Trump administration and used them to post bail and flee. | BaronHK's Rants [01:22] AdmFubar https://www.snopes.com/?s=Paycheck+Protection+Program [01:22] TR Bot searched for Paycheck Protection Program | Snopes.com [01:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:32] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:35] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR]: mjg59_ is very tetchy, but you say he isn't trans and who am I to argue. 0xBIGBOOBIES are expensive though and that's one plausible need for a lot off Microsoft cash. [01:36] DaemonFC Maybe he's just tetchy because he is a 0xBIGBOOB. [01:46] starstreak everyone in here should switch to openBSD [01:48] MinceR i would, if it performed better [01:49] DaemonFC Where do they plan to put Rust in the Linux kernel? [01:49] DaemonFC The drivers tree? [01:49] DaemonFC The core? [01:51] starstreak MinceR, did you ever tweak it for speed? [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 50.95 average k/sec., average swarm size 136.78 ● Sep 23 [02:00] immibis_ DaemonFC: are these "trans" in the room with us right now? [02:01] DaemonFC I'll let you know if I see any. [02:02] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.13 [SeaMonkey 2.53.13/20220708150114]) [02:03] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@mztzs6dkpajw6.irc) has joined #techrights [02:04] DaemonFC Transpotting [02:13] DaemonFC MinceR, Here's more "I hate dogs." stuff. [02:13] DaemonFC My cousin went to take care of a home health patient, and the patient's brother left a bunch of pitbulls roaming around the house. [02:14] DaemonFC So my cousin walked in and they mauled her, and Animal Control has the dogs and is going to have them destroyed. [02:14] DaemonFC I told my mom they should update the vicious animal law so that their owner gets put down as well for failing to control them. [02:15] DaemonFC Everyone be all like "Why does my landlord say NO DOGS!!?!? PITBULLS ARE NICE, REALLY!!!!". [02:15] DaemonFC I had a dog that was a nice dog. She never attacked anyone. Absolutely never would. [02:15] DaemonFC People who own vicious breeds are the reason nobody can have a dog if they rent an apartment. [02:16] MinceR starstreak: no, i didn't know how to [02:17] MinceR 23 030003 < immibis_> DaemonFC: are these "trans" in the room with us right now? [02:17] DaemonFC It's not just that they shit all over the floor and fuck up the house with claws and stuff. Cats can ruin carpet too. The reason why landlords don't allow DOGS is because you open up your door, they leap out and maul someone, and they sue the landlord and his property insurance premiums triple. [02:17] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%E1%BA%A7n [02:17] TR Bot Trn - Wikipedia [02:17] MinceR DaemonFC: lol @ pitbulls being "nice" [02:17] DaemonFC Replacing cheap carpet in one room is a few hundred bucks. [02:18] DaemonFC Having a dog leap out and attack someone in your building can be several hundred a month for years in premium hikes on your property insurance. [02:19] DaemonFC So dogs can be a much greater risk to landlords. Some allow it if you get renter's insurance, but most don't because renters know that they can buy a policy that says it covers liability for dog attacks, and then cancel it right after they move in, and the landlord is back in trouble if anything happens. [02:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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TotalIn: 50 GB TotalOut: 13 GB [03:04] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:04] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Apparently, there is no Rust anywhere in Webkit. [03:04] DaemonFC So that's a "modern" Web engine that is still free of the disease. [03:07] DaemonFC I thought that Python was a disease because major versions broke compatibility and required major code rewrites/refactoring, but Rust does that within a "stable" series, all the time. [03:07] DaemonFC Rust seems to be Cascade of Attention Deficit Teenagers the Programming Language. [03:08] DaemonFC Here I was giving all the credit to Python for making people do this once every decade or so and forcing users to suffer through version breakages and deprecation and removal even though not everything is ever going to be ported. I'm actually impressed. Rust is so much worse and there's a cult forming around it. [03:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [03:22] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], "The CADT people have gone off to develop a buggy browser for Google, Chrome, and its clone, Firefox. [03:22] DaemonFC Their position is that if youre using a piece of software with a rendering engine that was state-of-the-art in 2020 or 2021 and its supposed to render Web sites, that 40% of them should break now if you dont update. In fact, rarely can you even get through the lifetime of a Firefox ESR before the ShitHubs and the Fakebooks start breaking down and your bank starts screaming and you cant pay your electric bill. [03:22] DaemonFC Modern!" [03:22] DaemonFC From a post that's coming. [03:23] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [03:37] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [03:37] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/will-jpeg-xl-be-the-jpeg-replacement-weve-been-waiting-30-years-for/ [03:37] TR Bot Will JPEG-XL be the JPEG replacement weve been waiting 30 years for? | BaronHK's Rants [03:38] DaemonFC "The entire point of HEIC/HEVC is to be a huge licensing trap with like 2,752,524,525 patents that you have to go to ~4,732 places to license, so theres fat chance that Walmart will ever accept prints. [03:38] DaemonFC How are iPhone customers handling this mess? [03:38] DaemonFC If I did switch to an iPhone, Id just have two annoying manipulative pieces of shit in this house outputting files that literally nobody uses or can even open. Oy vey!" [03:47] starstreak you can change it in settings DaemonFC [03:49] starstreak the iphone can use jpg but the files are going to be double the size [03:49] starstreak I use HEIC and convert from that to jpg when I need to [03:59] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 42.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 145.98 ● Sep 23 [04:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [04:05] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [04:05] *horseface has quit (connection closed) [04:05] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [04:05] DaemonFC Did they implement JPEG wrong just to spite the user, like they did for MP3? [04:05] DaemonFC :) [04:06] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [04:11] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/web-engines-that-are-still-free-of-rust-as-of-september-2022-bonus-cascade-of-attention-deficit-web-developers/ [04:11] TR Bot Web engines that are still free of Rust as of September 2022. Bonus: Cascade of Attention Deficit Web Developers | BaronHK's Rants [04:12] starstreak all you need is libheif to open it on linucks [04:13] starstreak i can't say whether or not alac is better than flac, but they're both lossless and alac has hardware decoding support on iphones [04:13] starstreak do any android phones have hardware flac decoding? [04:13] DaemonFC ALAC is not good. [04:14] starstreak i got 51GB of music, mostly in ALAC [04:14] DaemonFC It's inefficient (bigger files), it is in the MP4 container (so supports DRM), the MP4 container doesn't support checksumming so the file can't report if it's corrupt or not internally, and it uses more CPU time for encoding and decoding than FLAC or WavPack. [04:15] starstreak where did you copy pasta that from [04:15] DaemonFC If you repacked it all into WavPack Extra High x6, you'd probably get it down to about 45 GB and you'd at least know if the files became corrupt *after* they were transcoded, due to a storage error or something. [04:16] starstreak fair enough [04:16] DaemonFC Foobar2000 finally deleted refalac as a decoder. [04:16] starstreak good for foobar2000, a windows program [04:16] DaemonFC ffmpeg has their own, it works, and it's a lot faster than Apple's. [04:17] starstreak im sure it is, ffmpeg is awesome [04:17] starstreak i use audacious and it works fine with alac [04:17] DaemonFC Basically the only thing refalac was doing was adding several hundred KB to the package so the program could use more CPU cycles playing ALAC files. Meh. [04:18] DaemonFC It's a small improvement given the state of computing now. [04:18] starstreak iphones do have hardware decoding support for alac, not sure but i think it does flac as software rendering [04:18] DaemonFC Doesn't really matter. [04:19] DaemonFC FLAC and WavPack both take so little decode time that the thread will run on the slowest core in the phone just fine. [04:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [04:21] starstreak hmmm [04:29] *horseface has quit (connection closed) [04:31] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [04:32] DaemonFC Hardware decode helpers only really help if it's a portable media player with a very slow processor core and that's literally the only thing it will be doing. These devices tend to have a hardware codec just for MP3 and AAC and a main processor that runs everything else. [04:32] DaemonFC So on some, especially earlier ones, if you added codecs with Rockbox, it made a difference to battery life. [04:33] DaemonFC But even on a Sansa Clip+ it doesn't. [04:33] DaemonFC They got rid of the dedicated codec, and it's all software. [04:34] DaemonFC Software is cheaper. I think it uses a cheap MIPS CPU or something. [04:35] scientes Mips has some cool pseudo-simd instructions. [04:35] scientes But you realize mmx was for mp3 right? [04:37] scientes The software for helium/armv8 MVE isn't really public [04:38] scientes But it is way more capable than anything riscv [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 73.50 average k/sec., average swarm size 135.85 ● Sep 23 [05:15] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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"LINUX" https://linuxtechlab.com/free-vpns-for-linux-everything-you-need-to-know/ [06:02] TR Bot VPNs for Linux: Everything You Need to Know - LinuxTechLab [06:05] AdmFubar what were you drinking roy???! [06:05] AdmFubar :)) [06:05] TR News 3 free Linux security training courses you can take right now https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/21/3-free-linux-security-training-courses/ [06:05] TR Bot 3 free Linux security training courses you can take right now - Help Net Security [06:07] TR News Open AI Whisper - Open Source Translation and Transcription - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Ph6K_0ttsSc | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/Ph6K_0ttsSc [06:07] TR Bot Open AI Whisper - Open Source Translation and Transcription - Invidious [06:07] schestowitz[TR] AdmFubar: that dream was actually quite sane [06:07] schestowitz[TR] we know who likes mass surveillance [06:10] AdmFubar if that is sane... what are your crazy ones like?? (makes face of horror) [06:12] TR News CSS is doing too much already; no wonder nobody can make a rendering engine anymore... https://linuxhint.com/simulate-onclick-event-css/ [06:12] TR Bot How to Simulate the Onclick Event in CSS [06:12] schestowitz[TR] AdmFubar: the ones I keep to myself [06:12] AdmFubar probably a good idea [06:13] starstreak AdmFubar, Roy is drinking whiskey and pcp [06:15] AdmFubar not whiskey and coke? [06:16] TR News Pubs in town already accepting xmas bookings. And advertise this. It's only SEPTEMBER. I think they're desperate for income. It's tough. [06:17] starstreak AdmFubar, im not sure if Roy is into coke but who knows [06:17] starstreak pcp helps him lift weights without getting sore [06:20] AdmFubar he'll get sore... just won't feel it..... whiskey helps too [06:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:21] TR News Enterprise Encryption for Linux https://linuxsecurity.com/news/organizations-events/enterprise-encryption-for-linux [06:21] TR Bot Encryption for Linux | LinuxSecurity.com [06:22] TR News Will JPEG-XL be the JPEG replacement we've been waiting 30 years for? | BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/will-jpeg-xl-be-the-jpeg-replacement-weve-been-waiting-30-years-for/ Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer) [06:22] TR Bot Will JPEG-XL be the JPEG replacement weve been waiting 30 years for? | BaronHK's Rants [06:23] TR News "Rust is so much worse and theres a cult forming around it." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/web-engines-that-are-still-free-of-rust-as-of-september-2022-bonus-cascade-of-attention-deficit-web-developers/ [06:23] TR Bot Web engines that are still free of Rust as of September 2022. Bonus: Cascade of Attention Deficit Web Developers | BaronHK's Rants [06:24] starstreak lol daemonfc can't even code but hes writing articles about how bad rust is [06:24] TR News "In Kubernetes 1.25, Validation rules for CustomResourceDefinitions (CRDs) have graduated to Beta!" https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/23/crd-validation-rules-beta/ [06:24] TR Bot Kubernetes 1.25: CustomResourceDefinition Validation Rules Graduate to Beta | Kubernetes [06:26] TR News "If Trump had appointed an Inspector General to oversee the program as the law required, perhaps this (and other similar incidents?) may not have happened." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/more-than-two-dozen-criminals-in-illinois-got-fake-paycheck-protection-program-loans-from-the-trump-administration-and-used-them-to-post-bail-and-flee/ [06:26] TR Bot More than two dozen criminals in Illinois got fake Paycheck Protection Program loans from the Trump administration and used them to post bail and flee. | BaronHK's Rants [06:26] TR News "GNOME 43 highlights, Canonical's new hardware partner, and why we're disappointed in the Framework Chromebook." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/linux-action-news/259/ [06:26] TR Bot Linux Action News 259 | Jupiter Broadcasting [06:27] TR News Entertaining webcranks https://linuxhint.com/web-3/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/29/web3-is-bullshit/ [06:27] TR Bot What is Web 3.0? [06:27] TR Bot Aral Balkan: Web3 is Bullshit | Techrights [06:28] schestowitz[TR] lol daemonfc can't even code but hes writing articles about how bad rust is [06:28] schestowitz[TR] yes, a bit ironic [06:28] schestowitz[TR] but he compensates for it in other ways [06:28] schestowitz[TR] like studying how systems are put together [06:28] schestowitz[TR] component-wise [06:29] starstreak while also spewing racism and transphobia [06:29] TR News Maria Naz at linuxhint did a 4-part article on using Git.. BUT ASSUMES YOU USE WINDOWS... in a site called LINUX HINT. Facepalm. [06:29] starstreak im not defending rust tho, i like golang and C [06:30] schestowitz[TR] what programs did you write? [06:30] starstreak none lol [06:30] starstreak im still learning [06:30] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:31] schestowitz[TR] so same as DaemonFC [06:31] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D708.jpg [06:31] starstreak im not about to write an article on why a programming language is good or bad [06:32] TR News "I previously wondered how much Forth was like Whitespace assembler....so I got a Forth interpreter and had a go. I didn't get much beyond beginner level, so take all I say with a pinch of salt." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-09-23___Having_looked_into_Forth__a_bit_.gmi [06:33] TR News My Thoughts On The CDG, And How You Can Help Fight The Discoverability Crisis gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-09-22-cdg.gmi [06:34] TR News "One problem I have always found, as have many others who try out gemini, is difficulty in finding interesting content. There are many contributing factors to why, but lets just say the problem is an ongoing issue that has no real easy solutions." gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-09-22-cdg.gmi [06:34] TR News "There's an idea being floated about building a decentralized, personalized feed aggregator as opposed to something like Antenna which is open for all to submit to." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-09-22-feed-aggregators-and-idea-silos.gmi [06:35] TR News "Additionally, I would caution against building any community where a core goal is to only gather with people who share identical political ideologies. I'm not saying it can't or shouldn't ever be done, but I generally see such communities as unproductive at best and a breeding ground for extremism at worst." gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-09-22-feed-aggregators-and-idea-silos.gmi [06:35] TR News "I find it utterly bemusing the lack of self-awareness in lefties. I read an article a couple times, on right wing politics on Gemini, and the second time I mentally flipped a few words within to point in the other direction, and it fit perfectly." gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-09-22-re-right-wing-politics-on-gemini.gmi [06:36] TR News "Spare time flows through me, right now. Im letting myself enjoy doing /less/ but not /nothing/. I live in hope that these quiet times will restore my soul, such that I can re-enter the World of Work in a manner that suits me - I still have something to give." gemini://apintandaparma.club/~ajc/log/2022-09-23.gmi [06:38] TR News A few hours ago this was released by Netcraft; it seems clear that Netcrafts tables already omit Microsoft in all except 2, where Microsoft is placed last and rapidly loses share (it'll fall out of sight soon) http://techrights.org/2022/09/22/netcraft-microsoft/ [06:38] TR Bot Microsoft Will Soon be Unlisted in Netcrafts Web Survey (Due to Minuscule, Negligible Market Share) | Techrights [06:41] TR News Firefox 105 on POWER https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/firefox-105-on-power.html Source: Talospace | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.talospace.com/2022/09/firefox-105-on-power.html [06:41] TR Bot Firefox 105 on POWER [06:49] TR News Miniature dual camera Full HD or 4K encoder boards support RGB and thermal cameras - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/23/miniature-dual-camera-full-hd-or-4k-encoder-boards-support-rgb-and-thermal-cameras/ Source: CNX Software [06:49] TR Bot Miniature dual camera Full HD or 4K encoder boards support RGB and thermal cameras - CNX Software [06:49] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.gmi [06:49] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [06:49] TR News (NEW): 11 Gorgeous KDE Plasma Themes to Make Your Linux Desktop Even More Beautiful http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/11_Gorgeous_KDE_Plasma_Themes_to_Make_Your_Linux_Desktop_Even_M.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/11_Gorgeous_KDE_Plasma_Themes_to_Make_Your_Linux_Desktop_Even_M.gmi [06:49] TR Bot Tux Machines 11 Gorgeous KDE Plasma Themes to Make Your Linux Desktop Even More Beautiful [06:49] TR News (NEW): 5 Free and Open-Source Figma Alternatives http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/5_Free_and_Open_Source_Figma_Alternatives.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/5_Free_and_Open_Source_Figma_Alternatives.gmi [06:50] TR Bot Tux Machines 5 Free and Open-Source Figma Alternatives [06:50] *acer-box__ (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [06:51] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:51] TR News [Old] "Does this mean installing Linux on an NVIDIA-powered machine will be less of a pain? Well, not yet. But eventually, hopefully, that answer will become yes." https://www.makeuseof.com/nvidia-open-sources-gpu-driver-for-linux/ | Source: Make Use Of [06:51] TR Bot What NVIDIAs Open-Source Driver Means for Linux [06:52] TR News "Since this is long and observational, I'll put the summary up front." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/USBTemper2ReadingsNotes | Source: uni Toronto [06:52] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/USBTemper2ReadingsNotes [06:52] TR News "Over the years Ive had a number of people reach out asking how I created the notice boxes on this website." https://kevquirk.com/how-to-create-a-simple-html-css-notice-box/ | Source: Kev Quirk [06:52] TR Bot How to Create a Simple HTML/CSS Notice Box - Kev Quirk [06:52] TR News "Jaromir Talir held a presentation about offline KSK with Knot DNS, and from the terminology he used in 2019 I made this diagram a few years ago to help me better understand the flow of keys." https://jpmens.net/2022/09/22/dnssec-signing-with-an-offline-ksk/ | Source: Jan Piet Mens [06:52] TR Bot Jan-Piet Mens :: DNSSEC signing with an offline KSK [06:52] TR News "As I'm moving to Linux more and more, I took the opportunity to explore the BTRFS file system which was mostly unknown to me" https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-09-21-btrfs-compression.html | Source: Data Swamp [06:52] TR Bot Solene'% : Sharing some statistics about BTRFS compression [06:53] TR News [Old] "Guix is pure. It's refreshing to know that I can take any package and reuse its source code for my own purposes without having to worry about commercial restrictions or redistribution." https://gexp.no/blog/it-wasnt-for-nothing.html | Source: Marius Bakke [06:53] TR Bot It wasn't for nothing - Grasping gexps [06:54] TR News "DOSBox Staging is a fork of the original DOSBox aimed at getting new features in faster, along with a better overall experience for users." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/dosbox-staging-0790-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [06:54] TR Bot Staging 0.79.0 is out now | GamingOnLinux [06:54] TR News "Two rather great sandbox mining games are set for an official cross-over. Terraria and the new kid on the block Core Keeper will both be getting free updates for it." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/core-keeper-and-terraria-are-getting-cross-over-updates/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [06:54] TR Bot Keeper and Terraria are getting cross-over updates | GamingOnLinux [06:54] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR]> lol daemonfc can't even code but hes writing articles about how bad rust is [06:54] DaemonFC With being a user, I can tell you that Python's version deprecation was painful enough. [06:54] schestowitz[TR] there is ccorrect abservation aboutr cult-like tactics [06:55] schestowitz[TR] which goies byond having a coc [06:55] schestowitz[TR] hypersensitive crowd [06:55] schestowitz[TR] that suppresses critics [06:55] DaemonFC There really was never going to be any "everything is ported so we don't need Python 2.7 anymore" day. [06:55] mjg59_ (cough) [06:55] schestowitz[TR] and pushes/foists it swares on people [06:55] schestowitz[TR] it's bloated [06:55] schestowitz[TR] c is small [06:55] schestowitz[TR] rust is just some pile of *** [06:55] DaemonFC Many authors are literally dead and the only reason their program worked was because it had a runtime. [06:55] DaemonFC Or are uninterested in porting the program. [06:56] DaemonFC The only language I ever had more trouble with was Perl because of the whole "Some of this is packaged and some of this is CPAN" crap. [06:56] schestowitz[TR] with python you have other runtimes [06:56] schestowitz[TR] but anyway, php does the same [06:56] schestowitz[TR] with new versions [06:56] schestowitz[TR] so you need to spend time "fixinng" broken things when version upgrades come [06:56] schestowitz[TR] massive overhead [06:56] schestowitz[TR] expect the same from rust [06:57] DaemonFC Perl is different in that the modules are all readable, but you still need to be sure you understand what they do. [06:57] DaemonFC Cobbling things together is just bad form, and this is apparently how "cargo" works. [06:57] TR News "Devil Daggers was a great time-survival FPS and now the creator is back with HYPER DEMON, which will blow your tiny little mind." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/hyper-demon-is-a-vision-bending-fps-from-the-creator-of-devil-daggers/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [06:57] TR Bot DEMON is a vision-bending FPS from the creator of Devil Daggers | GamingOnLinux [06:57] DaemonFC Cargo, cult. Cargo cult. [06:57] TR News "Humble Bundle are making sure you can get serious this week with The Serious Sam Bundle containing plenty of action ready for you to dive in." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/get-a-whole-lot-of-serious-sam-in-this-game-bundle/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [06:57] TR Bot a whole lot of Serious Sam in this game bundle | GamingOnLinux [06:57] DaemonFC There isn't an OS that doesn't have a C runtime available. [06:58] DaemonFC Hell, Windows even has approximately 500 of them. [06:58] DaemonFC Unfortunately, they're all some tweaked version of MSVCR. [06:58] DaemonFC Each one unique, stuffed in the assemblies folder for all time. [06:59] DaemonFC mjg59_, "Everyone who is interesting uses Windows." Windows is a bigger and bigger mess the longer you use it until it finally fucks itself so bad you need to reinstall it. [06:59] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [06:59] DaemonFC Sometimes that's a few years. Sometimes, it blows up right after you just installed it. [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 92.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 136.70 ● Sep 23 [07:01] DaemonFC Most of Torvalds's "Why we don't use C++" applies to Rust, including the part about Boost. [07:01] TR News "The Plague Doctor of Wippra will see you attempt to help people but ignorance, superstition, and religious zeal will firmly get in your way." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/short-point-and-click-adventure-the-plague-doctor-of-wippra-is-out-on-october-5th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:01] TR Bot point and click adventure The Plague Doctor of Wippra is out on October 5th | GamingOnLinux [07:01] TR News "Stardeus from developer Kodo Linija (Bloody Rally Show) has found a publisher with Paradox Arc (Paradox Interactive's new publishing arm)." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/paradox-arc-to-publish-sci-fi-base-builder-stardeus-entering-early-access-in-october/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:01] TR Bot Arc to publish sci-fi base builder Stardeus, entering Early Access in October | GamingOnLinux [07:02] DaemonFC You can tell a lot about a language by the kind of people it attracts to it. [07:02] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: yes, torvalkds was bullied into it [07:02] schestowitz[TR] it took years of "lobbyisng' [07:02] DaemonFC Programs that have a lot of bugs and memory leaks were written in Python, historically, for me. [07:02] schestowitz[TR] and he got tired od being "racist" towards rust [07:03] TR News "GNOME 43 is officially out now, bringing with it some pretty wonderful sounding changes to one of the most popular Linux desktop environments." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/gnome-43-is-out-now-with-quick-settings-refreshed-files-app-and-lots-more/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [07:03] TR Bot 43 is out now with Quick Settings, refreshed Files app and lots more | GamingOnLinux [07:03] starstreak ooooo Gnome 43 [07:04] DaemonFC Rust is also turning into a major problem for SeaMonkey. [07:04] DaemonFC It's one of the biggest problems to backporting Gecko features. [07:04] mjg59_ It's undeniable that the majority of vulnerabilities in the Linux kernel are memory safety issues that would be extremely unlikely to exist if Linux were in Rust [07:04] TR News "When coreboot makes a new release, I rebase our Librem-specific patches onto it, then run a set of tests on each device" https://puri.sm/posts/how-we-fixed-reboot-loops-on-the-librem-mini/ | Source: Purism [07:04] TR Bot How We Fixed Reboot Loops on the Librem Mini Purism [07:04] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: you don't care about kernel security [07:05] schestowitz[TR] your employer put NSA back doors in linux kenrel [07:05] DaemonFC Firefox has that damned "Quantum" shit in it that just makes it an even bigger resource suck than ever. [07:05] schestowitz[TR] until people shouted [07:05] schestowitz[TR] then it was removed [07:05] schestowitz[TR] months later [07:05] DaemonFC AND SeaMonkey can't grab new CSS, DOM, or Compositor code and a lot of other things and backport them anymore because of this. [07:05] DaemonFC SeaMonkey now has more in common with Goanna than it does with Gecko. [07:05] schestowitz[TR] rust has zero-days all the time [07:05] schestowitz[TR] it was sold based on a false promise [07:06] schestowitz[TR] same for systemd [07:06] schestowitz[TR] NSA observes systemd [07:06] schestowitz[TR] lots of holes in it [07:06] schestowitz[TR] new shitty code [07:06] schestowitz[TR] and controlled by Microsoft, ICBM [07:06] DaemonFC Firefox's "Quantum" project is basically take MOAAAAAAR CPU and MOAAAAAAR RAM than ever and maybe all the bloated frameworks and shit from GULAG will run faster. [07:06] schestowitz[TR] pentagon assets [07:06] DaemonFC It's not good! [07:06] TR News ">When you start a Linux system, it starts with only one process, a program called init." https://linuxhandbook.com/check-if-systemd/ | Source: Linux Handbook [07:06] TR Bot Check if You Are Using Systemd or Not in Linux [07:07] starstreak SeaMonkey is trash [07:07] DaemonFC It splits the Web browser up and has the entire computer's resources devoted to running cryptojackers and session replay scripts and advertising code. [07:07] DaemonFC Which is what mjg59_ calls "security". [07:07] DaemonFC (JavaScript) [07:08] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: There's literally zero demonstrated weaknesses in Speck. It's legitimate to be concerned about NSA-designed algorithms, but there's no evidence whatsoever of it actually being backdoored [07:08] DaemonFC Nobody has come up with a better way to handle my mail. [07:08] schestowitz[TR] you are mocking facts [07:08] schestowitz[TR] you also libel asssange [07:08] schestowitz[TR] because he exposed vault7 stuff [07:08] schestowitz[TR] showingf how nsa targets linuxxx [07:08] schestowitz[TR] so ad hominem is what you fall back on [07:08] schestowitz[TR] and libel [07:09] mjg59_ Vault7 was the CIA [07:09] DaemonFC The NSA from what I've seen targets mainly RHEL. [07:09] schestowitz[TR] https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ [07:09] TR Bot Vault7 - Home [07:09] schestowitz[TR] https://wikileaks.org/vault8/ [07:09] mjg59_ Who are, notably, not the NSA [07:09] TR Bot WikiLeaks - Vault 8 [07:09] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: not only that [07:09] DaemonFC It's easier to attack a target that isn't moving and plant a kernel module into it that stays working. [07:09] DaemonFC And Microsoft will sign it for them. [07:10] DaemonFC So "Secure Boot" won't even complain about it. [07:10] schestowitz[TR] "signed"... malware [07:10] schestowitz[TR] windows... "Secure" [07:10] schestowitz[TR] approved by NSA [07:10] schestowitz[TR] for remote access :-) [07:10] schestowitz[TR] "SECURITY!!" "ALIANS!!!" [07:10] mjg59_ Unclear how Microsoft could sign an ELF object in a way the kernel would accept [07:10] DaemonFC I turned of LVFS the other day. [07:11] DaemonFC Apparently it does nothing at all on my computer except install Microsoft-provided blacklists for versions of GRUB they don't want to work. [07:11] DaemonFC Thankfully, I read the update release noted before I did anything. [07:12] schestowitz[TR] the flamboyant fake 'security crowd begets disasters like shadow brokeers [07:12] schestowitz[TR] hospitals shut down [07:12] schestowitz[TR] thousands die [07:12] schestowitz[TR] so that they can have their back doors in place [07:12] schestowitz[TR] and we're mant not to blame them and microsoft [07:12] schestowitz[TR] microsogt even CLAIMS to be tackling the isue [07:12] schestowitz[TR] that it itself created [07:13] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/richard-hughes-secure-boot-sham/ [07:13] mjg59_ It's Microsoft's fault that when code is executed as an admin, it can modify the entire filesystem? [07:13] TR Bot GNOME (IBM/Red Hat Staff) Promoting Microsofts Security Scam With the Secure Boot Sham | Techrights [07:13] schestowitz[TR] and it uuuses github [07:13] schestowitz[TR] richard told me that also use gitlab now [07:13] schestowitz[TR] a step in the rfight directioon, but they still advertise microsoft github [07:13] schestowitz[TR] proproietary [07:13] DaemonFC I had to deploy a shim to make Github work without Webcomponents the other day. [07:13] DaemonFC Gitlab too though. [07:14] schestowitz[TR] gitlab is even less accessible [07:14] schestowitz[TR] too much js [07:14] schestowitz[TR] and no flalbacks at all [07:15] TR News "Validation rules support a wide range of use cases." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/09/23/crd-validation-rules-beta/ [07:15] TR Bot Kubernetes 1.25: CustomResourceDefinition Validation Rules Graduate to Beta | Kubernetes [07:15] schestowitz[TR] shim = a drpizza-approved security [07:15] schestowitz[TR] btw, [07:15] schestowitz[TR] npoticed how few of tech journalists are techs? [07:15] schestowitz[TR] they never wrote code [07:15] schestowitz[TR] they just pass on what Microsoft tells them to write [07:16] schestowitz[TR] their speciality is kids... and stuff [07:16] schestowitz[TR] and copy-paste [07:16] mjg59_ Noticed how few political journalists are politicians? [07:16] mjg59_ Almost like they're different skills [07:16] schestowitz[TR] whatabboutism [07:16] schestowitz[TR] the media is defunct [07:16] mjg59_ I mean [07:16] mjg59_ Roy [07:16] mjg59_ Your writing is *terrible* [07:17] mjg59_ You'd make an awful journalist [07:17] mjg59_ (As would I!) [07:17] mjg59_ Journalism is about writing for people who don't have expertise in a field, but are interested in what's happening there [07:17] TR News "While 76% of the overall users operate Windows"... no, even less that that ONLY IF YOU COUNT DESKTOP ALONE. https://www.unixmen.com/linux-vs-windows-10-key-differences-that-one-should-know/ | Source: Unix Men [07:17] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/linux-vs-windows-10-key-differences-that-one-should-know/ ) [07:18] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Windows isn't even 70% on the desktop-only anymore. [07:19] schestowitz[TR] I know [07:19] schestowitz[TR] that was my point [07:19] DaemonFC Pornhub is in a good position to monitor this and they say like 64-ish percent as of last year and falling. [07:19] schestowitz[TR] Pornhub barely counts africa [07:19] schestowitz[TR] where WIndows is barely used [07:19] DaemonFC If we're classifying everything desktop vs. mobile, Chrome OS should be in the desktop category. [07:20] DaemonFC But many stat counters omit it entirely to make Windows look bigger than it is. [07:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [07:20] DaemonFC A strengthening Dollar Index is not what Microsoft needs. [07:20] DaemonFC Who will be able to afford it? [07:21] DaemonFC If all of a sudden it takes 30-40% more of your local currency to do business with Microsoft, what do you do? [07:21] DaemonFC And who will buy it in the US? People are broke due to Bidenflation. [07:21] DaemonFC They're not replacing $1,000+ laptops that work every 2 years in the middle of THIS. [07:22] DaemonFC And if it konks out, they're going to look at budget options, which is a Chromebook, or you buy some $250 Walmart special and format Windows off of it so the thing works at all. [07:22] DaemonFC Provided that you can. [07:22] DaemonFC mjg59_'s services to Microsoft were meant so you can't do that. [07:23] starstreak Bidenflation is so bad its effecting every country in the world! [07:23] TR News "The e-RouteCAM_CU20 is a 2MP PoE (Power-over-Ethernet) GigE camera developed by e-con Systems." https://linuxgizmos.com/sony-starvis-based-gige-camera-supports-poe/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [07:23] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sony-starvis-based-gige-camera-supports-poe/ ) [07:23] TR News (NEW): Games: DOSBox, Terraria, Serious Sam, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Games_DOSBox_Terraria_Serious_Sam_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Games_DOSBox_Terraria_Serious_Sam_and_More.gmi [07:23] TR Bot Tux Machines Games: DOSBox, Terraria, Serious Sam, and More [07:23] DaemonFC Spending a trillion dollars a week we don't have in order to control the weather with battery cars. [07:23] DaemonFC How does that work anyway? [07:23] DaemonFC You have to buy a new battery car every 5 years unless you luck out like Eric Sandeen and have the battery fail within the warranty. Then it may work a while longer. [07:23] schestowitz[TR] yuppie fantasies [07:24] DaemonFC But they try to trip you up with the warranty so that it doesn't apply. [07:24] schestowitz[TR] the cars are worse [07:24] schestowitz[TR] than the batteries [07:24] schestowitz[TR] because they won't last long [07:24] schestowitz[TR] then you need to buy a new one [07:24] schestowitz[TR] and that means lots of mining [07:24] schestowitz[TR] mining takes a lot of energy [07:24] starstreak Bidenflation = rich people raising prices to get richer [07:24] schestowitz[TR] not even counting processing ans transport [07:24] schestowitz[TR] disposal [07:24] DaemonFC Like, you have to come to the dealer and let them program the battery so it lies to you about how healthy it is and the car doesn't run it as hard as it did before, when you were looking to buy it. [07:24] schestowitz[TR] even manufacturing of one new PC takes a ton fo energy [07:25] DaemonFC It's not important what happens to it after they trick you. [07:25] DaemonFC :) [07:25] DaemonFC As long as they don't have to warranty it. [07:25] schestowitz[TR] Bidenflation = rich people raising prices to get richer [07:25] schestowitz[TR] there are still some workarounds [07:25] schestowitz[TR] but harder with energy [07:26] DaemonFC Sandeen attacked me for doing that EV article and citing what happened to him, and that another commenter on his blog said they too had a Leaf and the warranty was not honored. [07:26] schestowitz[TR] bcause it is a de facto monopoly [07:26] schestowitz[TR] and you cannot compltely boycott electricity [07:26] DaemonFC And so they got to keep a car that didn't go anywhere because a battery cost 3/4ths of what a new car did. [07:27] TR News Will FSF give an award NOT to people who attack it? Let's see... https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/free-software-awards-nominate-those-who-have-charted-a-course-to-freedom-by-november-30 [07:27] TR Bot Free Software Awards: Nominate those who have charted a course to freedom by November 30 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [07:28] DaemonFC mjg59_ probably blew the wad too soon. [07:28] DaemonFC No, I'm not calling him a two pump chump....even though he probably is one. [07:28] TR News Old: award to the person whom Microsoft is besieging (and he cannot speak about it) http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linus-Torvalds-now-a-Millenium-Technology-Prize-laureate-1543357.html [07:28] TR Bot Linus Torvalds now a Millenium Technology Prize laureate - The H Open: News and Features [07:29] DaemonFC He was micro-shittering about getting his COVID shot weeks ago, I'm assuming the bivalent one. [07:29] DaemonFC I'm doing a wait and see. [07:29] TR News "This guide explains what is Ansible register and how to capture a task output in Ansible using the register variables in Linux" https://ostechnix.com/ansible-register/ | Source: OSTechNix [07:29] TR Bot Register Variable - OSTechNix [07:29] DaemonFC If it starts picking up again in my state I might consider it. [07:29] DaemonFC Right now, it's down to 10-12 people in the entire state dying with COVID each day. [07:30] DaemonFC Which is less than the number of daily murders in Chicago alone. [07:31] DaemonFC There's probably even more flu deaths at this point. [07:31] DaemonFC The vaccine companies are spending billions on an all out advertising campaign. [07:31] DaemonFC They want more money. That's pretty much what's happening here. [07:31] DaemonFC COVID has been beaten down as low as it will ever be again. [07:31] TR News How to tarnish the "Linux" brand https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-talks-rust-on-linux-his-work-schedule-and-life-with-his-m2-macbook-air/ [07:32] TR Bot Torvalds talks Rust on Linux, his work schedule and life with his M2 MacBook Air | ZDNET [07:32] DaemonFC Some people prefer to spend the rest of their lives cowering under the bed, I guess. [07:32] TR News COVID-19: better never to get infected at all https://adf-magazine.com/2022/09/mental-health-issues-may-linger-for-years-after-covid-19-infection/ [07:32] TR Bot Mental Health Issues May Linger For Years After COVID-19 Infection - Africa Defense Forum [07:33] DaemonFC Well, then with mjg59_ we'd never be able to tell, schestowitz[TR] [07:33] TR News old: People - Michigan Terminal System Archive http://archive.michigan-terminal-system.org/people Source: The Somnolescent Archives | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//archive.michigan-terminal-system.org/people [07:33] TR Bot People - Michigan Terminal System Archive [07:33] DaemonFC What's he going to do? Jack up his transphobia allegations against EVERYBODY? [07:33] schestowitz[TR] here is the trhign [07:33] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ harms trans people [07:34] schestowitz[TR] I have teans friends [07:34] schestowitz[TR] many here are trans [07:34] schestowitz[TR] always [07:34] schestowitz[TR] since like 2008 [07:34] schestowitz[TR] maybe 5-10% [07:34] schestowitz[TR] but he overuses the slur [07:34] schestowitz[TR] and went after rms [07:34] schestowitz[TR] rms is very tolerant ofm trans peopl [07:34] schestowitz[TR] eby going after the wrong people he creates a stigma [07:34] DaemonFC He's trying to spend Disney Bucks at Caesar's Palace with me. [07:34] schestowitz[TR] this stigma makes straw men [07:34] schestowitz[TR] and then harms trans people [07:34] schestowitz[TR] and he knowss this [07:34] schestowitz[TR] he's not dump [07:34] schestowitz[TR] *sumb [07:34] schestowitz[TR] he knows is, but does not care [07:35] schestowitz[TR] hen ignores the most gay-hostile people [07:35] schestowitz[TR] and focuses on perople who don't even give a damn abou such thiungsa [07:35] schestowitz[TR] it's exploitation [07:35] schestowitz[TR] he uses it for grudge [07:35] schestowitz[TR] as a wedge [07:35] schestowitz[TR] gto to irc [07:35] schestowitz[TR] say something something trans [07:35] DaemonFC Most people don't care if trans people grow a second head, to be honest. [07:35] schestowitz[TR] wait for SOMEONE to say something noty P-C [07:35] DaemonFC I don't. [07:35] schestowitz[TR] then accuse ERVERYONE of it [07:35] schestowitz[TR] and at the end the right goes after trans [07:35] schestowitz[TR] who are fed up with that tactic [07:36] schestowitz[TR] and then they get all worried about suiicides [07:36] schestowitz[TR] trans people go back like 100 years [07:36] schestowitz[TR] maybe more [07:36] DaemonFC I didn't force any of them to commit suicide. [07:36] schestowitz[TR] but they never attacked people like this [07:36] DaemonFC I didn't tell them they should do it. [07:36] schestowitz[TR] and now there's a reputation thay cannot shake off [07:36] schestowitz[TR] bullyign ther wrong people won't help [07:36] schestowitz[TR] leah said it right [07:36] schestowitz[TR] they need to think diplomatically [07:36] schestowitz[TR] and some don't [07:37] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ IS NOT TRANS [07:37] DaemonFC I don't tell people whether they should kill themselves or not. Some people have good reasons to. Very sick people who don't want to hurt. [07:37] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ IS AS TRANS AS I AM!! [07:37] schestowitz[TR] and he's using them!! [07:37] DaemonFC You can't blame Robin Williams for it or say he was selfish because he knew he'd be a gibbering vegetable in a few years and those were years he didn't want to spend slipping away. [07:38] DaemonFC Some people would rather die than live like that. [07:38] TR News old: Torvalds uses free speech... to condemn truly evil company ... when he was still ALLOWED http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/NVIDIA-responds-to-criticism-by-Torvalds-1621598.html [07:38] TR Bot NVIDIA responds to criticism by Torvalds - The H Open: News and Features [07:38] DaemonFC Had he been given resources to help him die he could have done it in a more dignified manner than with an electrical cord in a closet. [07:39] DaemonFC We live in a society that is squeamish about death and act as if you can just stave it off forever. [07:39] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: You're also not a piece of software, but you object to abusive software patents [07:39] DaemonFC And if you fight like hell to overcome end of life stuff, you'll live another 1,000 years. [07:39] DaemonFC It's because grown ass adults want to live in a fairy story. [07:40] DaemonFC I'm also not the popular opinion on suicide in this country. [07:40] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: I develop [07:40] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: ^ [07:41] DaemonFC Lots of people hear opinions like mine and they try to get you fired and stuff. [07:41] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Transphobia has a direct effect on people in my life, and their happiness has a direct effect on me. Why is it odd that I'd want to stand up for those people? [07:41] schestowitz[TR] later today I will do a video about sexiiism at epo [07:41] schestowitz[TR] I got internal documents [07:41] DaemonFC I mean, they want you to say all the right shit that people want to hear....or else. [07:41] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: go after the culprits [07:41] schestowitz[TR] clue: we are very trans-diverse irc network [07:41] schestowitz[TR] always were [07:41] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR]: Transphobia has a direct effect on people in my life, and their happiness has a direct effect on me. Why is it odd that I'd want to stand up for those people? [07:42] schestowitz[TR] you pick on one person [07:42] DaemonFC Why don't you let them speak for themselves? [07:42] schestowitz[TR] to demonise everyone... pardon the pun [07:42] DaemonFC Are you saying they're stupid? [07:42] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Yeah uh one of the culprits is right there [07:42] schestowitz[TR] yes [07:42] schestowitz[TR] and he writes on many things [07:42] mjg59_ So I go after him [07:42] schestowitz[TR] and I don't agree with many of them [07:43] DaemonFC So I go after him [07:43] DaemonFC Just admit that you've had a grudge for 14 years and can't get over yourself. [07:43] mjg59_ Says the guy who literally can't stop talking about me [07:43] TR News 'Masked Singer' Exit Interview: The Knight on His Murderous Costume - Billboard https://www.billboard.com/culture/tv-film/knight-eliminated-masked-singer-season-8-premiere-identity-1235142370/ Source: Penske Media Corporation | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.billboard.com/culture/tv-film/knight-eliminated-masked-singer-season-8-premiere-identity-1235142370/ [07:43] TR Bot Singer Exit Interview: The Knight on His Murderous Costume Billboard [07:44] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: If the EPO president wrote an article on a specific technical topic that you agreed with, would you republish it? [07:44] DaemonFC Yes, living rent-free in your head. Right? [07:44] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Or would you feel that that was giving recognition to someone who held opinions that were incompatible with your goals, and refuse to do so? [07:45] *ship_roy_and_mjg (~ship_roy_and_mjg@c5azmf78uuigw.irc) has joined #techrights [07:45] ship_roy_and_mjg :) [07:45] mjg59_ Haha [07:45] *ship_roy_and_mjg has quit (connection closed) [07:45] schestowitz[TR] he does not write articles [07:45] schestowitz[TR] he has a PR crony from alicante to write lies for him [07:45] schestowitz[TR] and then "quote" him [07:45] mjg59_ Yes this is clearly a hypothetical [07:45] schestowitz[TR] he blogged 1-2 times 4 years ago [07:46] mjg59_ If I write something you agree with, will you publish it? [07:46] mjg59_ Or would that be giving credit to someone who you believe is an enemy of the community? [07:46] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC is not "enemy of the community" [07:46] schestowitz[TR] if this is what you are getting at [07:46] schestowitz[TR] I don't agree with him on many political issues [07:46] mjg59_ Can you answer the question? [07:46] schestowitz[TR] and debate him over these issues [07:46] schestowitz[TR] there is a debate like this in geminispace atm [07:47] schestowitz[TR] some poeple seem not to think that right-leaning technical people should be permitted in gemini:// [07:47] schestowitz[TR] and this ios not a healthy mindset [07:47] DaemonFC I'm not in a position to do anything politically, so what does it matter? Out of like 6 million voters, I'm one person. [07:47] mjg59_ If I wrote an article you agreed with, would you publish it? [07:47] DaemonFC So like, there's not much chance that an election hinges on what I think. [07:47] schestowitz[TR] no [07:47] schestowitz[TR] you are a snake [07:47] mjg59_ Ok! Cool [07:47] schestowitz[TR] you are a mean-spirited bad person [07:48] schestowitz[TR] and you have a track record to show this [07:48] schestowitz[TR] that's why many people avoid youa [07:48] mjg59_ So it's not just about someone who you disagree with on some topics writing things you agree with [07:48] schestowitz[TR] and they won't say it to your pface [07:48] schestowitz[TR] as that can make them the next target for you ilk to defame [07:48] mjg59_ You find my opinions on certain topics more repugnant than Ryan's transphobia [07:48] schestowitz[TR] you are binned by us [07:48] schestowitz[TR] blacklisted... sorry, denylisted [07:48] schestowitz[TR] you can talk [07:48] schestowitz[TR] but ythat does not entitle you to a platform [07:48] DaemonFC If I was in a position to do anything politically in this state, then the mafia unions and the rest of the criminals who prop up Governor Pritzker would have me assassinated. [07:49] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: You mean it's not a free speech issue? [07:49] DaemonFC You don't get to fuck with people like that and live. [07:49] schestowitz[TR] you can talk all you want [07:49] mjg59_ But not on your site [07:49] schestowitz[TR] in a network you are actively trying to undermine [07:49] mjg59_ You said you gave Pocock a platform because of free speech [07:49] schestowitz[TR] but I'm not going to waste people's time promoting your nonsense [07:49] mjg59_ Despite his writing being a set of conspiracy theory nonsense [07:49] schestowitz[TR] he covered important issues [07:49] mjg59_ He lied about a shitload of stuff [07:49] schestowitz[TR] in recent years some edgy posts from him were less presentable [07:49] highest_cubist_thrills its not about that [07:50] highest_cubist_thrills its a show about nothing [07:50] schestowitz[TR] but in his personal web site he has been spot-on, in the personal site [07:50] DaemonFC I'm not so sure where mjg59_ thinks I have power. [07:50] DaemonFC I have power to talk to people about things. [07:50] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: take it a compliment [07:50] schestowitz[TR] he is afraid of things you write about TECH [07:50] schestowitz[TR] and looks for a wedge/angle [07:51] schestowitz[TR] to avoid refuting you on tech [07:51] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Is it true to say that you find some of my opinions more offensive than Ryan's opinions? [07:51] schestowitz[TR] annd then demands you get de-voiced [07:51] schestowitz[TR] in some cultures what mjg59_ does as a lifestyle merits stoning [07:51] schestowitz[TR] but he fails to see how interjecting politics into technical debate is itself very toxic [07:52] schestowitz[TR] until maybe he finmds himself in kabul for a week with a one-0way airline pass [07:52] schestowitz[TR] and then he might understand t [07:52] schestowitz[TR] that in a FOSS coinfeerrence in kabnul [07:52] schestowitz[TR] he does not want people to bring in politics [07:52] schestowitz[TR] as that endangers him [07:52] schestowitz[TR] for decades were able to collaborate with people whom we disagree with... on politics [07:52] schestowitz[TR] it just didn't come up [07:52] schestowitz[TR] the politics interjected... seesms to be a state tacticws [07:52] schestowitz[TR] to control the developers [07:53] schestowitz[TR] tyo selectively remove some [07:53] schestowitz[TR] for werongthink [07:53] schestowitz[TR] on many political issues I;'m sure anyone I know how some objectionable views [07:53] schestowitz[TR] that they do not publicly express [07:53] schestowitz[TR] death penalty, abotion [07:53] DaemonFC Yes, the Muslim countries would throw mjg59_ off a rooftop and laugh about it. [07:53] schestowitz[TR] rianne support death penalty [07:53] schestowitz[TR] I don't agree wqith her [07:53] schestowitz[TR] we debate it [07:53] DaemonFC And then nothing would happen to the people who did it. [07:53] schestowitz[TR] and don't get into shouting matches [07:53] DaemonFC They may get a parade, even. [07:53] DaemonFC He should be glad they're not in charge here. [07:54] DaemonFC I think we need electric bleachers. [07:54] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: he will quote it out of context again [07:54] schestowitz[TR] to calrify [07:54] schestowitz[TR] the point being [07:54] DaemonFC At least until they clear out the child molesters and shit. [07:54] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: You feel that my technical writing is tainted by my opinions on certain matters, right? [07:54] schestowitz[TR] there are many bad groups in the world [07:54] DaemonFC Make some room for the less nasty felons in prison. [07:54] schestowitz[TR] a social justice warrior (by his OWN description) would prioritise suitably [07:55] schestowitz[TR] and stop picking on a channel full of trans people./.. because one gay man in it has the wrong ([sic] views [07:55] DaemonFC The child molesters are a big problem in Illinois. [07:55] DaemonFC They let them out and like, what are they going to do? [07:55] schestowitz[TR] schestowitz[TR]: You feel that my technical writing is tainted by my opinions on certain matters, right? [07:55] schestowitz[TR] no! [07:55] schestowitz[TR] that's not rhe issue [07:55] DaemonFC Molest again. because they can't live anywhere, nobody will give them a job, oh yeah, and they're still a filthy pervert. [07:55] schestowitz[TR] the issue is, you have been trying to undermine us for a decades almost [07:55] schestowitz[TR] and not only us [07:55] schestowitz[TR] your main "controbution" to society is libeling peoplke [07:55] mjg59_ And that taints my technical writing? [07:56] schestowitz[TR] usually people who do sterling technical work [07:56] schestowitz[TR] like porivacy stuff [07:56] schestowitz[TR] at the same time you selectively and intentionally ignore the worst offenders [07:56] schestowitz[TR] so you don't have a consistent set of principles [07:56] DaemonFC A 15 year old girl on Matrix was telling me about how they just sentenced her step dad for raping her when she was 11. [07:56] schestowitz[TR] you just perceive yourself to be "hitman" soldat [07:56] DaemonFC The prosecutor gave the guy a plea bargain to 2 of 11 charges, and he got 20 years. [07:56] mjg59_ What does that have to do with the quality of my technical writing? [07:57] DaemonFC Means he'll be back in 10? [07:57] schestowitz[TR] you have no quality [07:57] schestowitz[TR] your blog promotes a ton of BS [07:57] schestowitz[TR] ACPI days.,... OK [07:57] DaemonFC A rational society kills people who have no use and who prey on the most vulnerable. [07:57] schestowitz[TR] I was OK with ACPIU work [07:57] schestowitz[TR] ACIPI is a mess [07:57] schestowitz[TR] but having some support is better than none [07:57] schestowitz[TR] back then many laptops did not hibernate correctly under Linux [07:57] schestowitz[TR] that's a fact [07:57] schestowitz[TR] so I rarely bothered with low-energy modes [07:57] schestowitz[TR] it was not reliable [07:58] DaemonFC Most laptops don't hibernate anymore, thanks to "Secure" boot. [07:58] schestowitz[TR] laptops in general were sticky business [07:58] DaemonFC So in a way, he fixed that. [07:58] schestowitz[TR] so I used desktops mostly [07:58] DaemonFC Now it's just not a feature anymore. [07:58] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: rianne's laptop handles these modes OK [07:58] DaemonFC Jesus, I mean like I've deleted entire subsystems out of Linux before. [07:58] schestowitz[TR] maybe depends on the OEM [07:58] DaemonFC Does that put me up there with Matt Gulag? [07:59] schestowitz[TR] I reckon nowadays Vista 11/12/next versionb deals with ACPI less capably than currect Linuxz [07:59] schestowitz[TR] but have not checked [07:59] DaemonFC No, because I can't inflict my kernel build on millions of people. [07:59] schestowitz[TR] WIndiows is a sordid mess [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 28.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 132.71 [07:59] schestowitz[TR] promoting 'secure' botot BS buys Microsoft time [07:59] schestowitz[TR] to attack Linux from the inside [07:59] schestowitz[TR] with Canonical, bribed by Micreoisoft [07:59] schestowitz[TR] systemd, WSL... [07:59] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: What I'm hearing here is that my opinions on secure boot are more offensive than transphobia [07:59] schestowitz[TR] they won't succeed [07:59] schestowitz[TR] but they do harm [07:59] DaemonFC mjg59_, You're doing actual harm. ● Sep 23 [08:00] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: transphobia isn't relevant [08:00] schestowitz[TR] we are tealking tech here [08:00] DaemonFC I have some personal opinions that ultimately don't change anything and aren't even extreme. [08:00] schestowitz[TR] IU'm SURE you have some trly OBJECTIONABLE vioews in politics... that you do not publicly express [08:00] schestowitz[TR] if I spoke to your parents, I would find out [08:00] schestowitz[TR] "off the record" [08:00] DaemonFC An extremist would be what the Muslim countries do if someone there is stupid enough to say they're a trans woman. [08:01] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: k, you think my views on secure boot are more offensive than transphobia [08:01] DaemonFC I said I basically don't give a shit about it because it's not an issue in my life. [08:01] schestowitz[TR] you get arrested in some countries for putting pronouns in you social controlm media account [08:01] DaemonFC mjg59_, I didn't give a shit about Immigration either until I married an immigrant. I try to keep the horse blinders on. It makes things easier. [08:01] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: no [08:01] schestowitz[TR] just more relevant [08:01] DaemonFC You start looking around, you're going to see a huge mess you can't fix. [08:01] schestowitz[TR] we are never writing articles on political issues like these [08:01] DaemonFC And all it will do is make you depressed. [08:01] schestowitz[TR] as an aside we mention some stuff [08:02] schestowitz[TR] like EPO's political connections [08:02] DaemonFC Somewhere right now, a cat is being run over by a car. [08:02] DaemonFC Does me thinking about it fix that? No. [08:02] schestowitz[TR] EPO is inherently political, not scientific [08:02] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: You don't think transphobia is relevant to a community that has a disproportionately large number of trans members? [08:02] schestowitz[TR] you shoulsd write more about EPO [08:02] schestowitz[TR] relevant to a lot of tech and relevant to their abuse of women, too [08:02] schestowitz[TR] and minorities etc. [08:02] schestowitz[TR] but you don't care [08:02] DaemonFC I like cats. If I fixate on something I don't like and can't change, then it doesn't help me. It might bum me out. [08:02] schestowitz[TR] an unemployed man in IL worriess you TONS more [08:03] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: clearly you got it all wrong [08:03] schestowitz[TR] because for many years we got by [08:03] DaemonFC I don't know what he thinks he'll take. [08:03] schestowitz[TR] without censoring people [08:03] schestowitz[TR] for "wroingthink" [08:03] DaemonFC The mold growing on the wall behind my toilet? [08:03] schestowitz[TR] and unlike many communities, we are still here [08:04] DaemonFC I've spent down everything I've ever had dealing with the mess my ex made and my spouse's health and immigration issues. [08:04] mjg59_ Ok so it's fair to say that you don't think transphobia is sufficient reason to exclude someone from a community [08:04] DaemonFC And filed bankruptcy. [08:04] DaemonFC I mean, I don't have anything left to give. [08:04] DaemonFC I wish I did. [08:04] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: That feels like a fair statement? [08:05] schestowitz[TR] you start with this [08:05] schestowitz[TR] then, what next? [08:05] mjg59_ Is it unfair to say that? [08:05] schestowitz[TR] also, bannning gays who don't want the "T" is low blow [08:05] schestowitz[TR] maybe you want us to also ban gays? [08:05] schestowitz[TR] would that pelase you? [08:05] schestowitz[TR] "social justice"? [08:05] DaemonFC What, including him? [08:05] mjg59_ I don't want you to ban anyone because they're gay [08:05] schestowitz[TR] you do [08:05] schestowitz[TR] you want to banish DaemonFC [08:05] mjg59_ I literally don't [08:06] mjg59_ Not because he's gay [08:06] schestowitz[TR] you do [08:06] schestowitz[TR] you demand it [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills despite being funded by al sweigart [08:06] schestowitz[TR] by shaming us into it [08:06] mjg59_ His sexuality has nothing to do with it [08:06] schestowitz[TR] like you did RMS and LT [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills whcih isnt and never was her fault [08:06] schestowitz[TR] you fail to see the harm you do [08:06] schestowitz[TR] you are out of touch [08:06] schestowitz[TR] and you need more counselling [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills people who want to see a logical conclusion to the relentless nonsense on both sides of this should just watch contrapoints [08:06] schestowitz[TR] you are hjhypersensitive [08:06] schestowitz[TR] and thin-skinned [08:06] highest_cubist_thrills erally, any video by contrapoints [08:06] schestowitz[TR] like jews who cannot take a single holocaust joke [08:06] schestowitz[TR] because "it hurts" [08:06] schestowitz[TR] or who call everyone "antisemite" [08:07] schestowitz[TR] to the point where then term has no meaning [08:07] DaemonFC You know, all I said about one person I don't like very much is that he should have just waited until his kids were grown and out of the house. [08:07] schestowitz[TR] you are now building society [08:07] DaemonFC Would it have killed him? [08:07] schestowitz[TR] you are trying to cull society [08:07] highest_cubist_thrills contrapoints actually goes somewhere with these issues [08:07] highest_cubist_thrills here, its just sort of a backdrop and [08:07] highest_cubist_thrills noise [08:07] DaemonFC That "trans" woman isn't a very decent human being. [08:07] highest_cubist_thrills i think mjg really sincerely wants to figure out roy [08:07] DaemonFC Look how bad "they" fucked up the kids. [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills but he wont because hes attributing things to a process that doesnt even exist [08:08] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: you give him too much benefit of the doubt [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills nevermind the motives [08:08] DaemonFC You know, if you're going to start a family, you should stay and finish the job. [08:08] schestowitz[TR] he is attempting to distract from technical issues [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills highest_cubist_thrills: you give him too much benefit of the doubt <- i dont give him any [08:08] schestowitz[TR] and time-waste [08:08] schestowitz[TR] bbl [08:08] DaemonFC Then get a divorce, become "a woman", do whatever you want. [08:08] DaemonFC You're on your own time again. [08:08] highest_cubist_thrills anyway, understanding roy is easy [08:08] TR News "The OpenBSD virtual machine daemon works pretty well with Linux VMs nowadays." https://www.tumfatig.net/2022/running-docker-host-openbsd-vmd/ | Source: TuMFatig [08:08] TR Bot TuM'Fatig - Running a Docker Host under OpenBSD using vmd(8) [08:09] DaemonFC That's literally all I said was I don't like "Keith". [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills its all reaction, zero process [08:09] TR News "This article will try to bring you up to speed on FreeBSD services management, and offer options for automation that you may find useful in your cloud-like environments." https://klarasystems.com/articles/rc8-freebsd-services-and-automation/ | Source: Klara [08:09] TR Bot rc(8): FreeBSD Services and Automation - Klara Inc. [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills so any process you attribute it to is an error [08:09] TR News "After talking about IoT development kits for the past several years, I figured it was time to get my hands dirty." https://staceyoniot.com/so-i-made-a-lora-based-prototype-using-a-dev-kit/ | Source: Stacey on IoT [08:09] TR Bot So I made a LoRa-based prototype using a dev kit - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis [08:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills this is like a collaborative reaction video that never ends [08:09] highest_cubist_thrills or the transcript of one [08:10] TR News "All makers love lasers and they make great shop tools. Even low-power lasers can engrave a variety of materials." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/22/mokey-is-an-affordable-diy-laser-engraver/ | Source: Arduino [08:10] TR Bot Mokey is an affordable DIY laser engraver | Arduino Blog [08:10] highest_cubist_thrills its entertaining, but its still a repeat [08:10] DaemonFC You know, I'm never going to have any family that I'm responsible for except Mandy, and with all the shit that happened to him in the Philippines I'll be goddamned if I'm going to let anything happen to him here. [08:10] DaemonFC People should feel this strongly or more so about their children. [08:11] TR News "Today we have released a maintenance release of PowerDNS Recursor 4.5.11, 4.6.4 and 4.7.3" https://blog.powerdns.com/2022/09/20/powerdns-recursor-4-5-11-4-6-4-and-4-7-3-released/ | Source: PowerDNS [08:11] TR Bot PowerDNS Recursor 4.5.11, 4.6.4 and 4.7.3 Released | PowerDNS Blog [08:12] DaemonFC I don't have time to give a flying fuck one way or the other about "trans issues". [08:12] TR News "This is it folks. Theyre going away fast." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/web-engines-that-are-still-free-of-rust-as-of-september-2022-bonus-cascade-of-attention-deficit-web-developers/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer) [08:12] TR Bot Web engines that are still free of Rust as of September 2022. Bonus: Cascade of Attention Deficit Web Developers | BaronHK's Rants [08:12] TR News "Firefox 105 is out. No, it's not your imagination: I ended up skipping a couple versions" https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/firefox-105-on-power.html | Source: Talospace [08:12] DaemonFC I'll be honest. They don't matter at all to me. Nobody I know other than Keith was trans, and I haven't talked to him since 1993. [08:12] TR Bot Firefox 105 on POWER [08:12] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: it's off topic anyway [08:13] schestowitz[TR] don't play into the hands of the resident troll [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills the thing about a reaction video is [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills the thing about a reaction video is [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills the people reacting have zero impact on the video theyre reacting to [08:13] TR News "Because of environmental reasons (and the airport being nothing short of a complete clusterfuck), we took the Nightjet to Vienna." https://h3artbl33d.nl/blog/eurobsdcon-2022 | [08:13] TR Bot EuroBSDcon 2022 | h3artbl33d [08:13] highest_cubist_thrills it goes on exactly as it was made, exactly the same no matter how many times you hit repeat [08:14] TR News "SparkFun is dedicated to providing technical documentation and tools to support the use of new tech." https://www.sparkfun.com/news/5456 | Source: SparkFun Electronics [08:14] TR Bot Resource Collections: Technical Reference Support for Popular Technology Topics - News - SparkFun Electronics [08:14] DaemonFC Firefox 105....or......Firefox 7 under the old pace. [08:14] DaemonFC This is getting ridiculous. Version inflation. [08:14] TR News "In this blog post, Ill share my journey from studying biology to becoming a healthcare data analyst." Privacy issues a bit thing here :/ https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/09/from-biology-to-healthcare-analytics-my-data-science-journey/ | Source: Rlang [08:14] TR Bot Biology to Healthcare Analytics: My Data Science Journey | R-bloggers [08:14] DaemonFC Biden is running Mozilla. [08:15] schestowitz[TR] into the ground [08:15] DaemonFC I remember when I rolled my eyes because Netscape skipped version 5. [08:15] schestowitz[TR] yesterday I opened a new tab [08:15] schestowitz[TR] shows me adidas adsa [08:15] schestowitz[TR] ad [08:15] schestowitz[TR] in the new tab [08:15] schestowitz[TR] tried to find where to disable it [08:15] schestowitz[TR] could not find it [08:15] DaemonFC I mainly like SeaMonkey because of nostalgia. [08:15] schestowitz[TR] firefox is not free software [08:15] schestowitz[TR] it also has DRM [08:15] DaemonFC I can open it up and the GUI hasn't changed at all really since I was like 17 maybe? [08:16] DaemonFC Nothing with DRM is Free Software. [08:16] TR News [Old] "Standard Development Organizations (SDO) and Open Source Software (OSS) Projects offer two different models" https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3790616 | Source: SSRN [08:16] TR Bot Downsides of Using Inadequate Open Source Software Processes and Licenses within Standard Development Organizations by Michele Herman, Justus Baron :: SSRN [08:16] DaemonFC GNOME Web doesn't have DRM. They're not big enough for GULAG to license Widevine to even if they wanted it. [08:16] DaemonFC That's the thing. Not only is it proprietary, but GULAG decides who is allowed to have it. [08:16] TR News Open Data: "In the run-up to the October finale, meet the 12 EU Datathon finalist teams and peek behind the scenes! Launched at the beginning of September" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-data/news/video-series-about-eu-datathon-2022-finalists | Source: Joinup [08:16] DaemonFC mjg59_, worked for them. [08:17] DaemonFC They've done way worse than this. [08:17] TR News "C++ will continue to endure for decades, but greenfield projects that fit the requirements should consider an alternative" https://matt-rickard.com/rust-vs-c | Source: Matt Rickard [08:17] TR Bot timed out after 10518 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-data/news/video-series-about-eu-datathon-2022-finalists ) [08:17] TR Bot Rust, C++, or Carbon? [08:17] DaemonFC I'll never forget the post from Mozilla saying they just HAD to shove it in there without asking you. [08:17] TR News "What to learn in order to not become obsolete as a software developer, and then being forced into early retirement from programming?" https://alexn.org/blog/2022/09/22/proprietary-environments-are-a-trap/ | Source: Alexandru Nedelcu [08:17] TR Bot Proprietary Environments are a Trap - Alexandru Nedelcu [08:17] DaemonFC They know if most people had the option, they'd tell Google to fuck off. [08:17] DaemonFC And get the one without Widevine. [08:18] TR News [Old] "The knowledge I've gained about programming POSIX is still useful, even though I learned a lot of it over twenty years ago." https://web.archive.org/web/20150309050037/http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/122 | [08:18] DaemonFC But if nobody thinks about it, nobody is allowed to refuse. [08:18] TR Bot Working for The Man | Tux Deluxe [08:18] TR News "Not quite aphorisms." https://www.datagubbe.se/short/ | Source: Carl Svensson [08:18] TR Bot Thoughts on Computers and Programming | datagubbe.se [08:19] schestowitz[TR] GNOME Web doesn't have DRM. They're not big enough for GULAG to license Widevine to even if they wanted it. [08:19] schestowitz[TR] wait till they grow [08:19] schestowitz[TR] then gnome will get more 'donations' [08:19] schestowitz[TR] btw, i started calling them gulag only after their employee kept defaming me [08:19] TR News [Old] "What Would Open Source Look Like If It Were Healthy?" https://harihareswara.net/posts/2021/what-would-open-source-look-like-if-it-were-healthy-video-transcript/ | [08:19] TR Bot What Would Open Source Look Like If It Were Healthy? Video & Transcript | Cogito, Ergo Sumana [08:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [08:20] TR News "I want and aim for libcurl to be the best documented software library in the world." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/09/22/taking-curl-documentation-quality-up-one-more-notch/ | Source: Daniel Stenberg [08:20] TR Bot curl documentation quality up one more notch | daniel.haxx.se [08:21] TR News "The idea is tree-shaking analyzing a program's control flow to see what functions will be called and removing unused code." https://matt-rickard.com/tree-shaking | Source: Matt Rickard [08:21] TR Bot Tree Shaking [08:21] TR News "This is the Adafruit weekly Python on Microcontrollers newsletter video highlights!" https://blog.adafruit.com/2022/09/22/the-python-on-hardware-weekly-video-september-21-2022-circuitpython-python-micropython-adafruit/ | Source: Adafruit [08:21] TR Bot The Python on Hardware weekly video September 21, 2022 #CircuitPython #Python @micropython @Adafruit Adafruit Industries Makers, hackers, artists, designers and engineers! [08:22] DaemonFC They fire everyone that's not a freak of nature like mjg59_. They want people who are some maniac who sound like they're progressive, yet are willing to work to harm people. [08:22] TR News "Java Development Kit 19, a non-LTS (long-term support) release of standard Java, arrives today as a production release" https://www.infoworld.com/article/3653331/jdk-19-the-new-features-in-java-19.html | Source: InfoWorld [08:22] TR Bot 19: The new features in Java 19 | InfoWorld [08:22] TR News "Oracle today announced the availability of Java 19, the latest version of the worlds number one programming language and development platform." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/consumer-tech/java-19s-key-capabilities-to-be-showcased-at-javaone-2022-in-las-vegas/94375327 | Source: India Times [08:22] TR Bot java: Java 19s key capabilities to be showcased at JavaOne 2022 in Las Vegas, CIO News, ET CIO [08:23] TR News The Web has become such a sordid mess. Lies, spam, ads. Without curation, today's WWW is not usable and not informative. [08:23] DaemonFC I'm sure he believes his own propaganda. [08:24] DaemonFC That's what happens eventually when you're a narcissist. [08:24] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D362.jpg [08:25] TR News "I turned 30 yesterday. I'm currently struggling with this. Part of me wants to bury myself in old anime and games and pretend it's 2006. Part of me wants to really start kissing ass at work so I can start working on one of those "careers" I'm supposed to have. I have no idea what to do." gemini://tskaalgard.midnight.pub/diary.gmi [08:25] DaemonFC In mjg59_'s warped corrupted mind, I actually am marching trans people off to the "camps" or something. He builds me up to be the Great White Satan. And so by harassing me, he can feel better about himself. [08:25] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D708.jpg [08:26] DaemonFC "I turned 30 yesterday. I'm currently struggling with this. Part of me wants to bury myself in old anime and games and pretend it's 2006. Part of me wants to really start kissing ass at work so I can start working on one of those "careers" I'm supposed to have. I have no idea what to do." gemini://tskaalgard.midnight.pub/diary.gmi [08:26] DaemonFC I'm about to turn 40. I don't have much to show for it. [08:26] DaemonFC Started developing chest pains. Can't drop dead just yet. [08:26] TR News "The newest, Smarter than Smart, TVs are becoming nastier..." gemini://station.martinrue.com/freezr/7647b2f6952043e08dc8ccc1c5a288c4 [08:27] TR News Plainly Put: Plane Power Play gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-09-23-plainly-put-plane-power-play.gmi "I'm not sure I like that sort of gameplay. When I play single player games I start a lot earlier, using a few mods that add earlier vehicles. That means the addition of planes is far away. It's a much more relaxing sort of game." [08:27] DaemonFC Death would otherwise be sort of like a promotion, but there's still things left to do. [08:29] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ accomplished a lot [08:29] schestowitz[TR] weeks of his life spent in an irc network hostile towards him [08:29] scientes so did Stalin [08:29] schestowitz[TR] talking to people who don't like what he does [08:29] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:30] DaemonFC Particularly one person in the entire world that he attacks for not being pro-LGBT, despite being gay. [08:30] scientes schestowitz this channel is also hostile to Poettering [08:30] mjg59_ Every minute you're talking to me is a minute less of your life you can use to abuse other people, so I'm ok with that [08:30] scientes for totally stupid reasons [08:30] DaemonFC Every minute you're talking to me is a minute less of your life you can use to abuse other people, so I'm ok with that [08:30] DaemonFC Who am I abusing, do you imagine, Mr. GULAG? [08:30] scientes as I was saying, Joseph Stalin accomplished alot [08:31] mjg59_ Dr. GULAG, actually [08:31] DaemonFC Mr. will suffice. [08:31] TR News "In The Cave of Time, the first book in the series, you discover a time-travelling cave whose tunnels carry you to Colonial Massachusetts, where you become a soap-makers apprentice" https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/09/19/the-enduring-allure-of-choose-your-own-adventure-books | Source: New Yorker [08:31] TR Bot The Enduring Allure of Choose Your Own Adventure Books | The New Yorker [08:31] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [08:32] schestowitz[TR] dr mendele of the soviets [08:32] DaemonFC Dr. GULAG sounds like the name of an actual doctor. [08:32] mjg59_ Do you mean Mengele? [08:32] DaemonFC One of those Indian psychiatrists. [08:32] schestowitz[TR] schestowitz this channel is also hostile to Poettering [08:32] mjg59_ Because, uh, he was pretty famously not a soviet [08:32] schestowitz[TR] we don't like Microsoft employees [08:32] schestowitz[TR] esp. those that attack us [08:32] scientes mjg59_, I visited his house [08:33] DaemonFC Paging Dr. GULAG, Dr. GULAG! [08:33] schestowitz[TR] whose? [08:33] scientes Joseph Stalin [08:33] DaemonFC Dr. Bombay! Dr. Bombay! Come right away! [08:33] TR News [Old] "If you reword your job advertisements to remove this $TECHNOLOGY as a requirement and replace it with a desirable (or just mention you use it)" https://mikemcquaid.com/stop-requiring-specific-technology-experience-for-senior-plus-engineers/ | Source: Mike McQuaid [08:33] TR Bot Stop requiring specific technology experience for senior-plus engineers | Mike McQuaid [08:34] TR News "Sears, a student with a disability, was placed into conflict with a tenured professor who held power over him and denied him meaningful access to education services" https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/william-sears-ranee-panjabi-human-rights-decision-1.6589955 | Source: CBC [08:34] TR Bot Former MUN student wins human rights case after prof refused to wear a mic | CBC News [08:34] highest_cubist_thrills roy what was your first desk like [08:35] schestowitz[TR] desk? [08:35] highest_cubist_thrills dont pretend you dont know what a desk is [08:35] highest_cubist_thrills its too late to be coy [08:35] schestowitz[TR] yes, but the question needs more specificity [08:35] DaemonFC A standing desk made of cocobolo wood, no doubt. [08:35] schestowitz[TR] we had desks in kindergarten too [08:35] TR News "Prototyping is moving. Its the meeting, the considering, and the conceptualizing, but with iterative progress in a concrete artifact." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/moving-with-prototypes/ | Source: Jim Nielsen [08:35] TR Bot Moving With Prototypes - Jim Nielsens Blog [08:35] highest_cubist_thrills well yeah but that wasnt really your desk [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills i mean YOUR desk [08:36] schestowitz[TR] nor was the one at home [08:36] schestowitz[TR] it was the parents' [08:36] schestowitz[TR] as a student, I rented [08:36] schestowitz[TR] I have photos of those desks [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills youve never had a desk of your own? [08:36] schestowitz[TR] I use one now [08:36] schestowitz[TR] I assembled it myself [08:36] starstreak i use a folding table [08:36] DaemonFC One day someone will make a movie about Matt. Dr. GULAG, or how I learned to stop worrying and love the groomers. [08:36] highest_cubist_thrills so when was your first [08:37] schestowitz[TR] never thought about it, but the first was improved [08:37] schestowitz[TR] it was a folding table [08:37] schestowitz[TR] *imrovised [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills thats common [08:37] *schestowitz[TR] looks for photos [08:37] highest_cubist_thrills i had a long coffee table from the 70s in my first place [08:37] mjg59_ DaemonFC: You seem to have extremely odd opinions about my sexuality [08:38] scientes mjg59_, I don't care what animals you prefer to have sex with [08:38] scientes or maybe you are a plant man, idk [08:38] schestowitz[TR] http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Winter-in-Manchester [08:38] DaemonFC Hey, that's his........"partner". [08:38] TR Bot Winter in Manchester [08:38] schestowitz[TR] many photos there of the desk [08:38] DaemonFC Sounds so clinical, doesn't it? [08:38] DaemonFC Cold, detached. [08:39] DaemonFC You can really feel the love.... [08:39] mjg59_ Almost like there isn't a better word to describe the relationship [08:39] DaemonFC "Partner" [08:39] schestowitz[TR] rianne used to workm like this http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Working-Out-and-Working-From-Home/2014-6 [08:39] starstreak lol acer [08:39] TR Bot 2014-6 [08:39] schestowitz[TR] a decade ago [08:39] highest_cubist_thrills /me actually liked acer [08:40] highest_cubist_thrills not because they were good [08:40] highest_cubist_thrills asus was being a dick [08:40] DaemonFC The word "Partner" is such an insult that when the state of New Jersey ordered eHarmony to comply with an anti-discrimination law, they launched an entirely separate Web site called "Compatible Partners". [08:40] mjg59_ DaemonFC: What word should I be using? [08:40] DaemonFC Yet, you use it openly to describe the object of your affection? [08:40] DaemonFC Anything but that! [08:41] mjg59_ Give me an example [08:41] TR News "The ROS-Industrial Community Meeting was held on Wednesday, 9/21, and it brought with it a few interesting updates for the Industrial ROS community" https://rosindustrial.org/news/2022/9/22/fall-2022-ros-i-community-meeting-happenings | Source: ROS Industrial [08:41] TR Bot Fall 2022 ROS-I Community Meeting Happenings ROS-Industrial [08:41] DaemonFC Well, can't use spouse because you're not serious. At least I think you aren't.... [08:41] DaemonFC Hmmm..... [08:41] highest_cubist_thrills http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Winter-in-Manchester/20190220_061634 beautiful [08:41] TR Bot 20190220 061634 [08:41] DaemonFC Girlfriend/Boyfriend? Too juvenile. [08:42] mjg59_ Also inaccurate [08:42] mjg59_ Not a girl(tm) [08:42] TR News "In a book written by Persky, he goes over some of the more recurring customers on the site" https://www.techspot.com/news/96042-last-man-selling-floppy-disks-receives-orders-airlines.html | Source: TechSpot [08:42] TR Bot last man selling floppy disks says he still receives orders from airlines | TechSpot [08:42] DaemonFC It's a failure of the language, I suppose. [08:42] DaemonFC Poets didn't really plan on "Partners". [08:42] mjg59_ "Lover" is inaccurate because we're more than that [08:43] mjg59_ If there were a more emotionally evocative term that conveyed the correct impression I'd use it, but I'm not aware of one [08:43] DaemonFC I'd work on that. [08:44] schestowitz[TR] partners sounds business-oriented [08:44] mjg59_ But since there isn't, we mutually decided on "partner" [08:44] schestowitz[TR] but then you condemn DaemonFC for usint rhe term [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills partners sounds business-oriented <- im going to vote in favour of partner, not that its a vote [08:44] schestowitz[TR] when you yourself chose it [08:44] DaemonFC At least Immigration will finally stop getting on my ass to prove my marriage is real, eventually. [08:44] highest_cubist_thrills it can be used in business too [08:45] DaemonFC As depressed as Al Bundy was with Peg, he always came home to her. [08:45] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Uh, I criticised him criticising me for using it [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills but its not exactly new millennial lingo in this context [08:45] schestowitz[TR] she was portrayed as the nymph [08:45] schestowitz[TR] like al was doing her a favour [08:45] highest_cubist_thrills dfcs giant bug up his arse about the use of the word partner is funny [08:46] schestowitz[TR] maybe I don't remember it accurately [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills this has been going on for like a year now [08:46] DaemonFC Al was loyal to a fault even if he wasn't that smart. [08:46] schestowitz[TR] anyway, spouse does not apply here [08:46] highest_cubist_thrills spouse implies marriage [08:46] schestowitz[TR] and french does not have a way around "ee" and e" (with accents) [08:46] DaemonFC Spouse implies loyalty. [08:46] DaemonFC Spouse implies you take it seriously. [08:46] schestowitz[TR] wedlock [08:47] schestowitz[TR] in some religion, the concept of "relationship" is offensive [08:47] schestowitz[TR] you have no realationship per se until you marry [08:47] schestowitz[TR] and sometimes not by your own choosing [08:47] mjg59_ That seems off-topic [08:47] DaemonFC I'm not sure why mjg59_ would remain unmarried unless he's worried about a gold digger or he doesn't want to commit. [08:47] schestowitz[TR] in parts of china too, I think [08:47] schestowitz[TR] it's not a purely religious thing [08:47] DaemonFC Those are the only two possibilities that usually apply. [08:48] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: or you are not comfortable with the topic [08:48] schestowitz[TR] you always being off-topic stuff here [08:48] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: No, just not comfortable with your hypocrisy [08:48] schestowitz[TR] and not you want to steer away [08:48] mjg59_ If off-topic stuff is fine, stop complaining abou tit [08:48] schestowitz[TR] I'm not sure why mjg59_ would remain unmarried unless he's worried about a gold digger or he doesn't want to commit.\ [08:48] DaemonFC mjg59_, Gold digger or committment issues? [08:48] schestowitz[TR] maybe if it doesn't work out he'll be accused of rape [08:49] mjg59_ DaemonFC: A pandemic isn't really the best time for people with family on two different continents to have a wedding? [08:49] schestowitz[TR] there's some history [08:49] DaemonFC DaemonFC: A pandemic isn't really the best time for people with family on two different continents to have a wedding? [08:49] DaemonFC Neither was when I got married. [08:49] DaemonFC But I did it anyway. [08:49] schestowitz[TR] you can have a wedding with 3 peole [08:49] mjg59_ Cool? [08:49] schestowitz[TR] we had one with 5 [08:49] DaemonFC And I overcame our problems instead of hiding under my bed like a wuss. [08:49] mjg59_ I'd prefer one that was more fun for everyone [08:50] DaemonFC What's stopping you from having fun? [08:50] schestowitz[TR] you don't know how to waste money [08:50] DaemonFC Did Congress pass a law making it illegal to have fun? [08:50] schestowitz[TR] so you throw it at lawyers [08:50] schestowitz[TR] to pester rianne and I [08:50] schestowitz[TR] and then want to show how "big shit" you are [08:50] schestowitz[TR] *shot [08:50] schestowitz[TR] by flying people across an ocean [08:50] schestowitz[TR] for a 3-hour bash [08:51] schestowitz[TR] I won't comment on enviromental impact [08:51] schestowitz[TR] nat friedman flew people to italy [08:51] DaemonFC If the ceremony takes longer than it does to make a decent margarita, it's gone on too long. [08:51] schestowitz[TR] so that little spioled stephenie schatz can show off to her mates with photos [08:51] schestowitz[TR] in social control media [08:51] schestowitz[TR] and garner "likes" [08:51] mjg59_ You really do have a bunch of pent up anger at people who really don't have any impact on your life [08:52] DaemonFC I don't have that many photos honestly. A few with mom and some of Mandy's family and us up there with the judge. [08:52] DaemonFC And dinner. [08:52] DaemonFC That's pretty much it. [08:52] TR News "Garrett Hawkins, president of the Missouri Farm Bureau, testified to the broadband needs of farmers." https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/09/republican-congressmen-criticize-ntia-fcc-absence-at-farm-bill-hearing/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast [08:52] TR Bot Republican Congressmen Criticize NTIA, FCC Absence at Farm Bill Hearing : Broadband Breakfast [08:52] TR News [Old] "Doctors in British Columbia can now prescribe a national park pass to patients in need of the physical or mental health benefits offered by time spent in nature" https://globalnews.ca/news/8587316/bc-doctors-prescription-park-pass/ | Source: Global News CA [08:52] TR Bot doctors can now prescribe national park pass to patients who need nature time | Globalnews.ca [08:53] DaemonFC mjg59_, So you're afraid of COVID and that's going to prevent you from getting married......forever? [08:53] DaemonFC God, you would bomb out so bad if you ended up in that movie Defending Your Life. [08:54] TR News "Credit the coronavirus pandemic for wastewaters growing role in tracking emerging threats to public health." https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-health-watch/sewer-poop-its-not-just-covid-testing-anymore | Source: Bridge Michigan [08:54] DaemonFC COVID will be here forever. If you're vaccinated, haven't you done everything reasonable? Careful about going outside, Matt. [08:54] TR Bot Sewer poop: its not just for COVID testing anymore | Bridge Michigan [08:54] DaemonFC A brick may fall and crack your skull, you know. [08:54] DaemonFC That's life. [08:55] DaemonFC One minute you're here, the next minute it's party time for all the little worms. [08:55] DaemonFC You're "missing out". [08:55] DaemonFC You know, that's one reason why I don't let many things bother me anymore. [08:56] DaemonFC Like, really bother me. [08:57] DaemonFC I got through the past three years, awful as they were, with no plan at all. [08:57] DaemonFC Just one thing at a time. [08:59] DaemonFC Even while my life was being turned upside down I planned for things to get better even with no guarantee that they would. [08:59] DaemonFC Because it's what you do. [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 63.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 146.56 [08:59] TR News GitHus is NOT FOSS. It's an occupation against it! It's also an attack on Git itself (de-commoditisation by Microsoft, vendor lock-in) https://harihareswara.net/posts/2022/what-you-miss-by-only-checking-github/ | [08:59] TR Bot What You Miss By Only Checking GitHub | Cogito, Ergo Sumana [08:59] TR News Popcorn time (not the program) https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/instagram-down-widespread-technical-problems-app-1235380663/ | Source: Variety [08:59] TR Bot Down: Users Report Widespread Technical Problems With App - Variety ● Sep 23 [09:00] TR News Proprietary designs and patents, ripping off the most vulnerable people https://www.teenvogue.com/story/why-prosthetics-so-expensive | Source: Teen Vogue [09:00] TR Bot Why Are Prosthetics So Expensive? Researchers Are Working to Change That | Teen Vogue [09:00] DaemonFC Self-hosting a repo and running gitweb is an option. [09:00] TR News "A new rhythm game called "Trombone Champ" has struck a chord with users online, bringing the kind of much-needed levity to the internet that only a trombone can" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/22/tech/trombone-champ/index.html | Source: CNN [09:00] TR Bot The internet's new favorite video game is like 'Guitar Hero' but with trombones | CNN Business [09:01] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: gitweb is OK [09:01] schestowitz[TR] but gemini can work too [09:01] DaemonFC I'm sure the worst kernel I've built was better than CBL-Mariner. [09:02] schestowitz[TR] and you can put a http/html gateway in front of it [09:02] schestowitz[TR] nobody uses that microsofgt trash [09:02] schestowitz[TR] it's just a googlwebombing crap [09:02] schestowitz[TR] foir micreosoft to polliyute Linux signal [09:02] schestowitz[TR] and lie about "loving" linux [09:02] schestowitz[TR] like WSL used mto be [09:02] schestowitz[TR] nobody mentioned it for months [09:03] schestowitz[TR] now Canonical is sucking the boots of Microsoft [09:03] schestowitz[TR] and then the Microsoft boosters cite Canonical [09:03] schestowitz[TR] to make it seem like Microsoft owns Linux [09:03] TR News "Lima is powered by QEMU and is frequently used (via colima) to run containers on macOS. That is, it can be used as an alternative to docker desktop." https://earthly.dev/blog/lima/ | Source: Earthly [09:03] TR Bot Lima VM - Linux Virtual Machines On macOS - Earthly Blog [09:04] TR News "decades of experience" https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/20/linux_foundation_europe/ lobbying for bad companies http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/lf-openwashing-front-group/ [09:04] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:04] TR Bot Linux Foundation launches European division The Register [09:04] TR Bot Linux Foundation Europe a Front Group for Patent Trolls and American Monopolies | Techrights [09:04] *starstreak has quit (connection closed) [09:04] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [09:04] TR News "The Court of Justice confirms that EU law precludes the general and indiscriminate retention of traffic and location data" https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2022-09/cp220156en.pdf | Source: CJEU [09:04] TR News "Over the past eight months, Han Nyein Oos Telegram channels, and those of other pro-coup figures, including self-defined journalist Thazin Oo" https://www.wired.com/story/telegrams-doxing-problem/ | Source: Wired [09:04] TR Bot Has a Serious Doxing Problem | WIRED [09:05] TR News "AB 2273, or the California Age-Appropriate Design Code Act, promises to make the Internet safer for childrenin part by tightening age verification" https://spectrum.ieee.org/californias-proposed-law-could-change-the-internet | Source: IEEE [09:05] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [09:05] TR Bot Californias Proposed Law Could Change the Internet - IEEE Spectrum [09:05] TR News "In this tutorial, you will build a facial recognition system." https://earthly.dev/blog/face-recog-sys-with-jupyter/ | Source: Earthly [09:05] TR Bot Creating and Deploying a Facial Recognition System with Jupyter Notebooks and Anvil - Earthly Blog [09:05] TR News "To give a bit of context on the Fediverse switch, hers how I use the Big Tech Services: [...]" https://www.tumfatig.net/1/ | Source: TuMFatig [09:05] TR Bot TuM'Fatig - [09:06] TR News "The current version of Certificate Transparency is described in RFC 9162." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/TLSCertTransLogsClientView | Source: uni Toronto [09:06] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/TLSCertTransLogsClientView [09:07] TR News "According to Crew, the threats in question were made by a member of Vorherrschaft Division on a far-right extremist messaging site called Telegram." https://www.salon.com/2022/09/22/secret-warned-capitol-police-of-neo-nazi-a-week-prior-to-insurrection/ | Source: Salon [09:07] TR Bot Service warned Capitol Police of neo-Nazi threats a week prior to insurrection | Salon.com [09:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [09:08] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [09:08] TR News "Rewilding in cities can tackle these impacts with more diverse greenery and space for water, which cools the air and absorbs rainfall" https://www.thenational.wales/news/22514911.rewilding-cities-can-tackle-climate-driven-heatwaves-floods---zsl/ | Source: Newsquest Media Group Ltd [09:09] TR Bot Rewilding in cities can tackle climate-driven heatwaves and floods ZSL | The National Wales [09:12] TR News Overpopulation still the elephant in the room. The cities themselves are means of accommodating far too many people. Over capacity = Overpopulation. See countries where there's no chance of feeding the people (bar imports): Macao, Singapore.... https://www.zsl.org/science/news/rewilding-our-cities-could-reduce-impacts-of-extreme-weather-says-new-report | [09:12] TR Bot Rewilding our cities could reduce impacts of extreme weather, says new report | Zoological Society of London (ZSL) [09:12] TR News Need more nature https://www.conservation.org/blog/new-report-without-nature-there-is-no-path-to-a-climate-safe-future | [09:13] TR Bot New report: Without nature, there is no path to a climate-safe future [09:13] TR News UK Composition Of Foods Integrated Dataset (COFID) https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0259418#sec015 | Source: PLOS [09:13] TR Bot Variations in greenhouse gas emissions of individual diets: Associations between the greenhouse gas emissions and nutrient intake in the United Kingdom | PLOS ONE [09:14] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [09:14] TR News Insincere solutioneering, e.g. claims corporations will solve climate change, won't help the fake (centrist, corporate) left. It helps science deniers... as they target straw men arguments. [09:15] TR News "We have a 55 inch QLED Samsung TV from 2018." https://blog.didierstevens.com/2022/09/22/quickpost-tuning-the-electric-energy-consumption-of-my-tv/ | Source: Didier Stevens [09:15] TR Bot Quickpost: Tuning The Electric Energy Consumption Of My TV | Didier Stevens [09:16] TR News "$30 Million Seized: How the Cryptocurrency Community Is Making It Difficult for North Korean Hackers To Profit" https://blog.dshr.org/2022/09/cryptocurrency-enabled-crime.html | Source: David Rosenthal [09:16] TR Bot DSHR's Blog: Cryptocurrency-enabled Crime [09:16] TR News Fossil fuels make up 90% of Middle East air pollution https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1969752.html | Source: RTL [09:16] TR Bot RTL Today - Dangerous levels: Fossil fuels make up 90% of Middle East air pollution: study [09:17] TR News "A total of 1,600 square kilometers (994 square miles) of the lagoon and the nearby Mediterranean coastline will now be legally represented by a group of caretakers made up of local officials" https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/spain-grants-personhood-status-mar-menor-lagoon-90266201 | Source: ABC [09:17] TR Bot Spain gives personhood status to Mar Menor salt-water lagoon - ABC News [09:17] TR News "This will allow the rights of the lagoon located in southeastern Spain to be defended in court, as though it were a person or business." https://today.rtl.lu/news/science-and-environment/a/1969371.html | Source: RTL [09:17] TR Bot RTL Today - Lagoon has "legal identity": Spain grants personhood status to threatened lagoon [09:18] TR News "Probably one of my favourite pieces of software. I often have a love / hate relationship with it due to some historic instability issues" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/kde-are-raising-funds-for-the-kdenlive-video-editor/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [09:18] TR Bot are raising funds for the Kdenlive video editor | GamingOnLinux [09:19] TR News "become a Kdenlive patro" https://kdenlive.org/en/fund/ | [09:19] TR Bot Kdenlive Fundraiser - Kdenlive [09:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:20] TR News IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 22, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/23/irc-log-220922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/23/irc-log-220922/ [09:20] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Thursday, September 22, 2022 | Techrights [09:22] TR News "Microsoft Corp. wont label social media posts that appear to be false in order to avoid the appearance that the company is trying to censor speech online" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-21/microsoft-won-t-say-what-s-false-when-labeling-propaganda-online Liars. http://techrights.org/2020/06/28/linkedin-censorship/ [09:22] TR Bot - Are you a robot? [09:22] TR Bot When It Comes to Killing Businesses Microsoft Defends Its Crown | Techrights [09:22] TR News "climate doom" https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2022/09/22/climate-doom-tiktok-gen-z-eco-anxiety/8004862001/ | Source: Gannett "My social media is littered with videos from teens my age spreading hopelessness and despair" [09:22] TR Bot Climate 'doomism' is going viral on TikTok and it's hurting Gen Z [09:23] DaemonFC TikTok hurts everyone that uses it. [09:24] TR News SO WHAT IS THE POINT HAVING CHUCK? "All of his speeches are written or vetted by the government" https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-news/2022/09/constitution-stops-charles-becoming-britains-green-king/ | Source: Federal News Network [09:24] TR Bot Constitution stops Charles becoming Britains green king | Federal News Network [09:24] DaemonFC I never thought I'd see the day where the FDA felt it was important to urge the public not to eat chicken cooked in Nyquil. [09:24] TR News "Whistleblower Frances Haugen -- a former Facebook engineer who leaked documents suggesting the firm put profits before safety -- on Thursday launched an organization" https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/facebook-whistleblower-launches-nonprofit-to-take-on-big-tech/news-story/ef44885af09a900cc3f49aa7c400dd90 | Source: News AU [09:24] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/facebook-whistleblower-launches-nonprofit-to-take-on-big-tech/news-story/ef44885af09a900cc3f49aa7c400dd90 ) [09:24] DaemonFC This _is_ what happens when you let the country go to shit, you know. [09:25] TR News "Iranians have taken to the streets "to achieve their fundamental rights and human dignity..." https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20220922-protesters-torch-police-stations-as-unrest-in-iran-over-woman-s-death-continues | Source: France24 [09:25] TR Bot Irans Raisi vows probe of womans death that sparked deadly protests [09:25] TR News "the investigation is related to tweets" https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/09/16/saudi-arabia-drop-baseless-investigation-us-citizen | Source: HRW [09:25] TR Bot Saudi Arabia: Drop Baseless Investigation of US Citizen | Human Rights Watch [09:25] TR News [Old] "In the last 45 years, I've made eight. That shows what a blacklist can do to a career." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/hollywood-actress-marsha-hunt-dies-at-104-in-california-home/101427548 | Source: ABC [09:25] TR Bot Actress from Hollywood's 'Golden Age' turned activist, Marsha Hunt, dies aged 104 in California - ABC News [09:25] DaemonFC mjg59_ should record a Public Service Announcement where he has to sing No Night So Long and then urges children not to eat Nyquil chicken. [09:25] TR News "Now, Jones is pushing back, bringing suit against some of the Facebook groups" https://www.edweek.org/policy-politics/a-school-librarian-pushes-back-on-censorship-and-gets-death-threats-and-online-harassment/2022/09 | Source: EducationWeek [09:25] TR Bot A School Librarian Pushes Back on Censorship and Gets Death Threats and Online Harassment [09:25] DaemonFC As part of his community service hours. [09:27] mjg59_ Community service for what? [09:27] DaemonFC Corrupting the youth of the city, of course. Silly. You know, this really is quite lenient. They made the last guy consume hemlock for that. [09:28] TR News "Her father, Gholamreza Moaiery, who spoke to CPJ via messaging app, confirmed the arrest." https://cpj.org/ | Source: CPJ [09:28] TR Bot Committee to Protect Journalists Defending Journalists Worldwide. - Committee to Protect Journalists [09:28] TR News "Assange revealed some documents and evidence from the U.S. embassy talking about the 2012 elections" https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/09/21/president-lopez-obrador-calls-assange-a-quixote-of-freedom-of-speech/ | [09:28] TR Bot President Lpez Obrador calls Assange a Quixote of freedom of speech - Prensa Latina [09:28] TR News "Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the people of Ukraine, Julian Assange, Sonia Guajajara, and the Colombian Comision de Verdad are among the nominees for the 2022 Sakharov prize" https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/zelenskyy-ukrainians-and-assange-among-nominees-for-2022-sakharov-prize/ | Source: Euractive [09:28] TR Bot Ukrainians, and Assange among nominees for 2022 Sakharov prize EURACTIV.com [09:29] DaemonFC Nyquil chicken.... [09:29] DaemonFC Where the fuck does this shit even come from? [09:29] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Corrupting the youth in what way? [09:29] schestowitz[TR] Nyquil? [09:30] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_medicine ? [09:30] TR Bot Cold medicine - Wikipedia [09:30] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Maybe they call it something else in the UK? [09:30] DaemonFC Yeah, cold medicine. Knocks you out. [09:30] schestowitz[TR] I know they stuff animals with antibiotics [09:30] schestowitz[TR] and steroid-like things [09:30] schestowitz[TR] for growth [09:30] schestowitz[TR] like bovine growth hormone [09:30] schestowitz[TR] and then stuff the "meat" with water [09:31] schestowitz[TR] to reach "weight targets" [09:31] schestowitz[TR] this is what capitalism does to food... AND animals [09:31] schestowitz[TR] they're "products" [09:31] mjg59_ Yeah that's not what's being discussed here [09:31] highest_cubist_thrills and software [09:31] schestowitz[TR] then the media goes on and on demonising peopple who grow their own foods [09:31] DaemonFC I can't use Nyquil even if I am really sick. [09:31] schestowitz[TR] it's unsafe [09:31] schestowitz[TR] unlike someee piece of "meat" [09:31] DaemonFC I have to use Dayquil even at night. [09:32] schestowitz[TR] like GM "salmon" [09:32] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: lette to hobbyists [09:32] schestowitz[TR] is maths a product yet? [09:32] schestowitz[TR] are formulas patented? [09:32] DaemonFC If I take dextromethorphan, it can interact with some other medication I'm on quite badly. [09:32] schestowitz[TR] some are [09:32] schestowitz[TR] under guise of BM and swpatrs [09:33] highest_cubist_thrills when they figure out how to create locking for math [09:33] highest_cubist_thrills lockin [09:33] highest_cubist_thrills i mean copyright and patents are a good start [09:33] schestowitz[TR] "maths you cannot use" [09:33] schestowitz[TR] "infringing maths" [09:33] highest_cubist_thrills but people can still use pencil and paper [09:33] highest_cubist_thrills home calcualation is killing the math industry [09:33] highest_cubist_thrills AND ITS ILLEGAL [09:33] DaemonFC I have no idea what the fuck the "programming fee" is for the ABS module on my car. [09:33] DaemonFC They have to load software onto it at the car repair shop? [09:34] schestowitz[TR] pen and paper are "efficient infringement" [09:34] schestowitz[TR] and "piracy" [09:34] highest_cubist_thrills we need pencil rights management [09:34] DaemonFC If it's for a certain type of car, then shouldn't it be programmed at the factory? [09:34] highest_cubist_thrills people who do math at home [09:34] DaemonFC Maybe it has generic software and they have to load the correct setting into it for that particular car. [09:34] highest_cubist_thrills have no appreciation for the hard word and dedication [09:35] highest_cubist_thrills of thousands of human computers working tirelessly at desks [09:35] DaemonFC I don't know who would eat Nyquil chicken. [09:35] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [09:35] highest_cubist_thrills people who have spent their careers rechecking their sums by hand [09:35] DaemonFC Even when I'm really sick, I'll still eat Taco Bell, so that's what I go grab. [09:35] highest_cubist_thrills so some snot-nosed kid who cant even find a derivative [09:35] highest_cubist_thrills can go and... [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills they dont care if mathematicians are out of work [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills for them, every equation is just "marks on paper" [09:36] highest_cubist_thrills yeah well, someone had to figure out those marks [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills and if you stop paying them [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills then theyll stop figuring out math for us [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills is that what you want [09:37] DaemonFC mjg59_, Community Service for writing proprietary software. [09:37] DaemonFC It's dumbing people down, obviously. [09:37] mjg59_ Uh huh [09:37] DaemonFC Nyquil Chicken TikTok Challenge. [09:37] highest_cubist_thrills you wouldnt download a calculator [09:37] mjg59_ That's pretty clearly not what you meant [09:38] DaemonFC You know, if they delete TikTok and tell them to go do their fucking math homework, things like this wouldn't happen. [09:38] DaemonFC Parents act like the kid gets a cell phone from nowhere. [09:38] TR News "Great Transition Initiative" https://overpopulation-project.com/the-natural-synergy-between-population-stabilization-and-reproductive-rights/ | Source: Overpopulation [09:38] TR Bot The Natural Synergy between Population Stabilization and Reproductive Rights - The Overpopulation Project [09:39] DaemonFC That's pretty clearly not what you meant [09:39] DaemonFC Did you infer that I meant something by Nyquil chicken? [09:40] DaemonFC Oh no, no. That would be something like Dr. Pizza fucked up. [09:40] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [09:40] TR News "The 1835 Treaty of New Echota, which was signed by then-President Andrew Jackson" https://www.axios.com/2022/09/22/cherokee-nation-launches-campaign-to-congress | Source: Axios [09:40] TR Bot Cherokee Nation launches campaign for delegate in Congress [09:40] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [09:40] DaemonFC I'm sure you're not like the rest of those Microsoft people at all. [09:41] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], My browser remembered that I looked at Dr. Pizza's Twitter and recommends him every time I go to order pizza now. [09:41] DaemonFC I really need to fix that. [09:41] TR News "Amanpour pointed out that no previous presidents had requested this when she interviewed them outside Iran." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-63000854 | Source: BBC [09:41] TR Bot CNN cancels interview with Iranian president over headscarf demand - BBC News [09:43] TR News "Canal+ Group, the Vivendi-owned French TV group, has won its court case against TF1" https://variety.com/2022/digital/global/canal-court-case-tf1-carriage-dispute-1235380658/ | Source: Variety [09:43] TR Bot Wins Court Case Against TF1 in Carriage Fees Dispute - Variety [09:43] DaemonFC you wouldnt download a calculator [09:43] DaemonFC Oh but I would...... [09:44] DaemonFC If I needed to, that is. [09:44] TR News [Old] "This report confirms that DRM represents a challenge to privacy interests" https://cippic.ca/sites/default/files/CIPPIC_Report_DRM_and_Privacy.pdf | [09:44] TR News Digital Restrictions (DRM): "Collier will oversee advertising sales and content for Rokus owned-and-operated channels" https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/charlie-collier-exits-fox-corp-roku-1235380667/ | Source: Variety [09:44] TR Bot Collier Exits Fox Corp. to Join Roku as President of Media - Variety [09:45] TR News "The standard caught on, all software supports it, the patents are dead." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/23/will-jpeg-xl-be-the-jpeg-replacement-weve-been-waiting-30-years-for/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer) [09:45] TR Bot Will JPEG-XL be the JPEG replacement weve been waiting 30 years for? | BaronHK's Rants [09:46] DaemonFC I wouldn't download a Microsoft calculator. They explain that they can't do square roots correctly because their high precision math library is being used. [09:46] DaemonFC :) [09:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [09:46] TR News "Effective immediately, Getty Images will cease to accept all submissions created using AI" https://app.engage.gettyimages.com/e/es?e=11409471&elq=ffb9ca1a980a43f29bb0563b4f8b5f27 | [09:46] TR Bot Important Submission Requirements Update re: AI Generated Content [09:46] TR News "The U.S. recorded music industry generated $7.69 billion during 2022s opening half" https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/21/music-industry-us-revenue-h1-2022/ | Source: Digital Music News [09:46] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/09/21/music-industry-us-revenue-h1-2022/ ) [09:47] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [09:47] DaemonFC How does the record industry make money? [09:47] schestowitz[TR] schestowitz[TR], My browser remembered that I looked at Dr. Pizza's Twitter and recommends him every time I go to order pizza now. [09:47] schestowitz[TR] did he tip him? [09:48] schestowitz[TR] or "only the tip"? [09:48] DaemonFC 15% or 20%? [09:48] DaemonFC Or is this one of those hipster places where it's a $40 pizza and recommends a 50% tip? [09:48] DaemonFC mjg59_ probably goes to those. [09:48] DaemonFC People get it there. [09:48] schestowitz[TR] get what?> [09:48] schestowitz[TR] the tip? [09:49] schestowitz[TR] or tip-off? [09:49] DaemonFC Maybe. He was very non-specific. [09:49] schestowitz[TR] conde nast pays salary [09:49] schestowitz[TR] drpizza buys sex [09:49] schestowitz[TR] from kids [09:49] schestowitz[TR] little kids [09:49] schestowitz[TR] then pastes some email he got from microsoft [09:49] schestowitz[TR] then gets back to being busy with kids [09:50] schestowitz[TR] microsoft: better carry on or else! [09:51] TR News (NEW): UbuntuDDE Remix 22.04 Brings the Deepin Desktop Environment to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/UbuntuDDE_Remix_22_04_Brings_the_Deepin_Desktop_Environment.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/UbuntuDDE_Remix_22_04_Brings_the_Deepin_Desktop_Environment.gmi [09:51] TR Bot Tux Machines UbuntuDDE Remix 22.04 Brings the Deepin Desktop Environment to Ubuntu 22.04 LTS [09:52] DaemonFC Why is it that people grow into adulthood and still have the eating habits of a child? Is it mostly pervy people that do this? [09:52] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Man one day you're complaining that I don't tip enough, the next you're saying I habitually frequent places that ask for large tips [09:52] mjg59_ Make your mind up [09:52] DaemonFC John only ate pizzas and ravioli out of a can. [09:52] DaemonFC Make your mind up [09:52] schestowitz[TR] we never ordered food home [09:52] DaemonFC No, I said it recommended the tip. [09:52] schestowitz[TR] we do this 'stupid' thing called cooking [09:53] DaemonFC Yeah, I'll be boiling a cabbage for a casserole tomorrow. [09:53] DaemonFC I could eat cabbage basically every day. It's one of my favorite vegetables. [09:53] schestowitz[TR] cost-efficient [09:53] schestowitz[TR] |"crunchy salad" [09:54] schestowitz[TR] we just had vegan cheese with reddish [09:54] DaemonFC I actually pressure cook cabbages after the cooktop disaster at the motel. [09:54] DaemonFC The vegan cheese has gotten a lot better than it used to be. [09:55] DaemonFC You can still taste a difference, but Taco Bell tried "vegan cheese" in the 90s and it was a marketing disaster. [09:55] DaemonFC It didn't melt properly. It was weird. [09:56] schestowitz[TR] it can be fried OK [09:56] schestowitz[TR] we got it quarter price [09:56] schestowitz[TR] and lots of them [09:56] schestowitz[TR] better post daily links now... got enough [09:57] DaemonFC mjg59_, Just lean over into the microphone and tell the gerbil it can't go to college. [09:57] DaemonFC (South Park) [09:58] DaemonFC Time for bed. (past time, really) [09:58] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 23 [10:05] TR News (NEW): BSD: EuroBSDcon 2022, OpenBSD, FreeBSD http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/BSD_EuroBSDcon_2022_OpenBSD_FreeBSD.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/BSD_EuroBSDcon_2022_OpenBSD_FreeBSD.gmi [10:05] TR Bot Tux Machines BSD: EuroBSDcon 2022, OpenBSD, FreeBSD [10:05] TR News (NEW): Open Hardware/Modding: Kits and Technical Resource Collections http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Open_Hardware_Modding_Kits_andTechnical_Resource_Collections.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Open_Hardware_Modding_Kits_andTechnical_Resource_Collections.gmi [10:05] TR Bot Tux Machines Open Hardware/Modding: Kits and Technical Resource Collections [10:06] TR News "There was a time when soft drinks only came in six-packs of twelve-ounce bottles in the grocery store" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/23/where-has-all-the-water-gone-check-the-grocery-store/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:06] TR Bot Has All the Water Gone? Check the Grocery Store. - CounterPunch.org [10:07] TR News "When you have the cloud around you, you are toxic" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/23/10-ways-the-left-is-vulnerable-to-cancellation-campaigning-and-how-we-might-overcome-this-tendency/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:07] TR Bot Ways the Left is Vulnerable to Cancellation Campaigning and How We Might Overcome This Tendency - CounterPunch.org [10:09] TR News "It's that time of the year again, and NodeConf EU is almost upon us. This annual event is one of the leading Node.js events in Europe. It brings together contributors and innovators from the Node.js community to deliver a wide range of talks and workshops." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/09/23/join-red-hat-team-nodeconf-eu-2022 [10:09] TR Bot Join the Red Hat team at NodeConf EU 2022 | Red Hat Developer [10:10] TR News Reproducible Builds (diffoscope): diffoscope 222 released https://diffoscope.org/news/diffoscope-222-released/ [10:10] TR Bot diffoscope 222 released [10:10] scientes ///IBM Team///// [10:12] scientes International Business Fedoras [10:13] schestowitz[TR] Imperialism Business Framework [10:14] schestowitz[TR] now with offshoots [10:14] schestowitz[TR] like GAFAM [10:14] schestowitz[TR] subsidised by taxpayers [10:18] scientes schestowitz, consdering that they didn't pay me for work they accepted, that sounds correct [10:18] scientes schestowitz, except that the tax base in the US is irrelevent [10:18] scientes all money comes from stealing from foreign accounts [10:18] scientes via the FATCA for example [10:18] schestowitz[TR] that too [10:18] schestowitz[TR] but also "investment"; [10:18] schestowitz[TR] like KSA [10:19] schestowitz[TR] we let them terrorise the region [10:19] scientes and the Azor battalion [10:19] schestowitz[TR] and they "invest" in "Bay Area" [10:19] scientes and Venezuela [10:19] schestowitz[TR] and "Silican Valley" [10:19] schestowitz[TR] *con [10:19] scientes schestowitz, more like invest in the "Butt Area" [10:19] scientes or the Bumm Area [10:19] schestowitz[TR] there are bums there [10:19] schestowitz[TR] homeless [10:19] scientes considering how many bums are in that city [10:19] schestowitz[TR] it's expensive to live there [10:19] scientes Bums and Butts [10:19] schestowitz[TR] after all those decades [10:19] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/09/01/linux-foundation-mission-creep/ [10:19] TR Bot The Linux Foundation Has Formally Changed Its Mission! (Based on IRS Files) | Techrights [10:20] schestowitz[TR] you could say Gay Area [10:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [10:20] scientes when I got financed to present in San Jose for the LLVM conference I slept next to the river [10:20] schestowitz[TR] like Canal Street in Manchester [10:20] scientes you could say Gay Area [10:20] scientes the vagina is only 1.5 inches from the butt-hole [10:20] scientes so its all sort of the same area [10:20] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/08/30/linux-foundation-has-moved/ [10:21] schestowitz[TR] photos [10:21] TR Bot Linux Foundation Has Moved to More Expensive Offices, Based on IRS Papers | Techrights [10:21] schestowitz[TR] 6 million a year [10:21] schestowitz[TR] for "ofice" [10:21] schestowitz[TR] 6 million [10:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [10:21] scientes they need to look more important than they are [10:21] schestowitz[TR] office for less than 100 people [10:21] schestowitz[TR] scientes: yes, like lawyers [10:21] schestowitz[TR] so they can charge $300 an hour [10:21] scientes while Linus is complaining about how many bums are in Portland, and that he is considerin moving back to Finland [10:21] schestowitz[TR] to make photocopies of papers [10:21] schestowitz[TR] mundane work [10:22] schestowitz[TR] scientes: did he openly complains about it? [10:22] schestowitz[TR] if so, I missed it [10:22] schestowitz[TR] my sister lives there [10:22] scientes it was an interview at the start of 2021 [10:22] TR News (NEW): Security Issues and Proprietary Software http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Security_Issues_and_Proprietary_Software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Security_Issues_and_Proprietary_Software.gmi [10:22] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Issues and Proprietary Software [10:22] scientes yeah, he was like "it totally sucks here, everything is falling apart unless you are rolling in $$$$$ like me" [10:23] schestowitz[TR] he must be living in a nice gated area [10:23] scientes lots of armed penguins [10:23] scientes in go-karts [10:23] schestowitz[TR] lol [10:23] schestowitz[TR] and spud guns [10:24] scientes don't forget GNU and Bestie [10:24] scientes that game is pretty fun actually [10:24] scientes the mario 64 knock-off [10:25] scientes schestowitz, it is just that I have installed internet to endless "walled" compounds [10:25] scientes and they don't have any more to provide services to those hay-houses, let alone security [10:25] scientes *money [10:26] scientes if you want something that can be secured build some of these 10-story soviet apartments [10:27] scientes and add a basement in case they start doing what they are doing in ukraine to you [10:27] schestowitz[TR] :( [10:27] schestowitz[TR] it's part of the design [10:27] schestowitz[TR] not bricks [10:27] scientes (not that the US can't build stuff roughly like that, except that those elevators are quite durable) [10:27] schestowitz[TR] metal, concrete [10:28] scientes never seen anything quite designed for resiliance as those [10:28] schestowitz[TR] east berlin looks like it [10:28] scientes and good ventilation [10:28] scientes in Georgia there were no building codes, and people would add bathrooms with no ventilation, which would rot the whole thing to the ground with mildew in a few years [10:28] scientes but not so the old soviet buildings [10:29] schestowitz[TR] british homes are nice, but many move to apartments [10:29] schestowitz[TR] even terraced is ok [10:29] schestowitz[TR] garden, view.. [10:30] scientes schestowitz, especially when the banks still grandma's house :) [10:30] scientes *steal [10:30] schestowitz[TR] terraced facing terraced sucks... no view of the sky [10:30] schestowitz[TR] yes, well, living costs went uuup [10:30] schestowitz[TR] many old widows sell the house back to the bank [10:30] schestowitz[TR] reverse mortgage [10:30] schestowitz[TR] remortgage [10:30] schestowitz[TR] sellout [10:30] scientes and once the enclosure movement got to its logical end (except crown lands) they had to invent more things to steal [10:30] schestowitz[TR] so they never own anything [10:30] schestowitz[TR] just temporarily [10:31] schestowitz[TR] lived and die just to work [10:31] schestowitz[TR] while gaining nothing [10:31] schestowitz[TR] paid a tax for food and shelter [10:31] schestowitz[TR] while the oligarchs truck wheelbarrows of money to remote island s [10:31] schestowitz[TR] except digitally [10:31] schestowitz[TR] not many queen faces [10:32] schestowitz[TR] while siccing cops at us [10:32] schestowitz[TR] if we resist [10:32] scientes www.rusemb.org.uk [10:32] scientes yeah the banner is still up [10:32] scientes the Russian national who was found dead, and they didn't bother to tell the embassy [10:32] scientes while the oligarchs truck wheelbarrows of money to remote island s [10:32] scientes schestowitz, you forget they declared Iceland a terrorist state [10:33] scientes so that they could steal all Iceland's money [10:34] scientes they being the UK parliament [10:34] scientes the place with all the forms of democracy but no actual democracy [10:34] scientes schestowitz, when I tried to view the new PM's address to parliament I faced "rights" problems---more like "self-righteouss problems", FTFY. [10:36] scientes https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/7166 [10:36] TR Bot Embassys comment on the UKs Ministry of Defence statement concerning the clearing of Ukrainian ports of Russian mines, 29 August, 2022 [10:36] TR News (NEW): Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Preview http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_Preview.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Alternatives_to_Apple_Preview.gmi [10:36] TR Bot Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Preview [10:37] scientes UK claims that Odessa's mines are Russian, when, in fact, they were added by the coup in Ukraine to avoid a landing by Sea of any forerign army [10:37] scientes be it Turkish, Russian Federation, or Georgian [10:40] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.1.gmi [10:40] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [10:45] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Android_Leftovers.gmi [10:45] scientes https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/7162 [10:45] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [10:45] TR Bot Embassy comment on hostile actions by YouTube, 16 August, 2022 [10:45] scientes Facebook also banned Naturei Karti, the anti-Zionist Jewish group [10:51] schestowitz[TR] "anti-Zionist" or non-zionist? [10:52] schestowitz[TR] not the same thing [10:52] scientes anti-Zionist [10:52] schestowitz[TR] "anti-Zionist" can mean elimination of Israel as a country [10:52] scientes because Israel dominating Judaism is toxic [10:52] scientes nononono, not that [10:52] schestowitz[TR] anyway, FB is all about control [10:52] scientes I never friended my mother, but then I found myself friended to her, and an eagle posted on her wall [10:52] scientes which she did not post [10:53] *horseface has quit (Quit: PING TIMEOUT!!! >9000 FOR SURE!!!) [10:53] scientes so I have a homosexual predator who can do anything on Facebook [10:53] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [10:53] scientes so considering that, Russia banning Facebook, which is very agressive in South America with fascist corruption, is no loss at all [10:54] scientes and also, facing the police stealing from me in Batumi based on interactions I had on Facebook [10:54] scientes and beating me up, et cetera [10:54] scientes man, what a fascist place [10:55] scientes going to the hotel where i stayed the night, and threatening them that they have to raise the price [10:55] scientes sooooooo much fascism [10:56] TR News "The share of working-age Americans who have a job or are looking for one is at 62.4 percent" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/the-non-mystery-of-a-smaller-labor-force/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:56] scientes don't believe anything like that [10:56] TR Bot Non-Mystery of a Smaller Labor Force - CounterPunch.org [10:57] scientes there is no work in the US and hasn't been for my whole life [10:57] scientes there is just jobs in government, and other jobs in government [10:57] scientes and then another strike at the hospital [10:58] TR News "reporting on the downhill turn of U.S. life expectancy isfertile ground for the emergence of press bias" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/press-coverage-of-declining-us-life-expectancy-evades-the-truth/ | Source: Counter Punch [10:58] TR Bot Coverage of Declining US Life Expectancy Evades the Truth - CounterPunch.org [10:58] scientes maybe it is because the sooner you die the less you cost? [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 17.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 134.06 ● Sep 23 [11:03] schestowitz[TR] they want you to die when you stop working [11:03] schestowitz[TR] because people high up in the system cannot use you anymore [11:03] schestowitz[TR] you become "burden" [11:03] schestowitz[TR] pension age rises [11:03] schestowitz[TR] while people die younger [11:03] schestowitz[TR] so the surplus from exploiting the labour pool increases [11:03] schestowitz[TR] and fattens the p;hat cats faster [11:03] schestowitz[TR] so they can show off to their friends about their "wealth" and "success" [11:04] TR News "We lived in Eritrea from 2006 to 2021 and saw first hand the rapid rate of water conservation" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/preventing-climate-disaster-in-africa-eritrea-leads-the-way/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:04] TR Bot Climate Disaster in Africa: Eritrea Leads the Way - CounterPunch.org [11:04] TR News Nixons Famous Price Freeze Did Stop Inflation https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/nixons-famous-price-freeze-did-stop-inflation/ | Source: Counter Punch [11:04] TR Bot Famous Price Freeze Did Stop Inflation - CounterPunch.org [11:09] *horseface has quit (connection closed) [11:10] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [11:13] TR News "After a copyright blunder led to a major boost for the horror genre" https://torrentfreak.com/youtubers-lose-brains-over-night-of-the-living-dead-copyright-claims-220922/ | Source: Torrent Freak [11:13] TR News "Nearly a quarter of all U.S. households believe that piracy is justified" https://torrentfreak.com/movie-music-piracy-acceptable-to-a-growing-number-of-u-s-households-220922/ | Source: Torrent Freak [11:13] TR Bot Lose Brains Over Night of The Living Dead Copyright Claims * TorrentFreak [11:13] TR Bot & Music Piracy Acceptable to a Growing Number of U.S. Households * TorrentFreak [11:14] TR News "inflation coverage" https://fair.org/home/weve-incentivized-corporations-to-go-after-this-price-gouging-strategy/ | Source: FAIR [11:14] TR Bot 'We've Incentivized Corporations to Go After This Price-Gouging Strategy' - FAIR [11:14] TR News "In 2019, the Supreme Court of the United States resolved a long-running lawsuit over asset forfeiture." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/21/ohio-supreme-court-says-theres-nothing-wrong-with-cops-seizing-a-31000-truck-over-an-850-criminal-offense/ | Source: Techdirt [11:15] TR Bot Supreme Court Says Theres Nothing Wrong With Cops Seizing A $31,000 Truck Over An $850 Criminal Offense | Techdirt [11:15] TR News Journalism Competition and Preservation Act (JCPA) is AGAINST journalism and against the Web https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/klobuchars-link-tax-is-back-and-somehow-even-worse-helps-trumpist-grifters-get-free-money-no-moderation-from-google/ | Source: Techdirt [11:15] TR Bot Link Tax Is Back And Somehow Even Worse? Helps Trumpist Grifters Get Free Money & No Moderation From Google | Techdirt [11:16] TR News Iran shutters mobile networks, Instagram, WhatsApp amid protests - The Record by Recorded Future https://therecord.media/iran-shutters-mobile-networks-instagram-whatsapp-amid-protests/ Source: The Record | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//therecord.media/iran-shutters-mobile-networks-instagram-whatsapp-amid-protests/ [11:16] TR Bot Iran shutters mobile networks, Instagram, WhatsApp amid protests - The Record by Recorded Future [11:17] TR News "As protests continue over the death of a woman in police custody in Iran, access to Instagram and WhatsApp has been blocked." https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2022/09/22/iran-shuts-down-whatsapp-and-instagram-as-protests-spread/ [11:17] TR Bot Iran Shuts Down WhatsApp And Instagram As Protests Spread [11:18] TR News Mozilla urges action to unpick platform browser lock-ins https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/mozilla-browser-research/ Source: TechCrunch | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/mozilla-browser-research/ [11:18] TR Bot urges action to unpick platform browser lock-ins TechCrunch [11:19] TR News ItsFOSS helps Microsoft propaganda. Appalling. Anti-Linux. https://news.itsfoss.com/systemd-wsl/ see http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/ubuntu-windows-systemd/ [11:19] TR Bot Systemd is Now Available in WSL [11:19] TR Bot Official Ubuntu Blog Has Just Promoted Microsoft Windows+Systemd | Techrights [11:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [11:21] TR News Microsofters deflecing the blame, as usual https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-exchange-servers-hacked-via-oauth-apps-for-phishing/ [11:21] TR Bot Microsoft Exchange servers hacked via OAuth apps for phishing [11:21] TR News Python does not value backward compatibility. Good reason to avoid Python. https://archlinux.org/news/removing-python2-from-the-repositories/ [11:21] TR Bot Arch Linux - News: Removing python2 from the repositories [11:22] TR News This week we can see which "FOSS" or "Linux" sites are 'fakes'. They help Microsoft ATTACK GNU/Linux by boosting "WSL" (Windows). [11:23] TR News Now OPENLY and OFFICIALLY taking corporate money https://www.phoronix.com/news/Premium-2022-Autumn-Reminder [11:23] TR Bot The Phoronix Premium Autumn Sale Is On - Phoronix [11:30] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:32] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:40] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Programming_Leftovers.gmi [11:40] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [11:40] TR News (NEW): Mozilla Lobbying and Firefox 105 on POWER http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Mozilla_Lobbying_and_Firefox_105_on_POWER.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Mozilla_Lobbying_and_Firefox_105_on_POWER.gmi [11:40] TR Bot Tux Machines Mozilla Lobbying and Firefox 105 on POWER [11:40] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_leftovers.gmi [11:40] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [11:40] TR News (NEW): Free Software: PowerDNS Recursor, Kubernetes, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_PowerDNS_Recursor_Kubernetes_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_PowerDNS_Recursor_Kubernetes_and_More.gmi [11:40] TR Bot Tux Machines Free Software: PowerDNS Recursor, Kubernetes, and More [11:42] TR News Links 23/09/2022: EuroBSDcon 2022 Ahead, PowerDNS Recursor 4.5.11, 4.6.4 and 4.7.3 Out | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/23/eurobsdcon-2022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/23/eurobsdcon-2022/ [11:42] TR Bot Links 23/09/2022: EuroBSDcon 2022 Ahead, PowerDNS Recursor 4.5.11, 4.6.4 and 4.7.3 Out | Techrights [11:44] MinceR 23 050554 < DaemonFC> Did they implement JPEG wrong just to spite the user, like they did for MP3? [11:44] MinceR maybe it's just their usual incompetence [11:44] MinceR "what could possibly go wrong if the user short-circuits the antenna by holding the device? derp, i dunno." [11:54] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [11:55] *lukaso666 (~lukaso666@ttmhr72unsdhq.irc) has joined #techrights [11:59] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Sep 23 [12:12] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [12:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [14:39] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:40] *techuser (~techuser@z865xeq3uppfe.irc) has joined #techrights [14:44] MinceR https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo199.html [14:44] TR Bot Darths & Droids [14:47] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [14:57] *techuser (~techuser@9bsrk9cwiznhk.irc) has joined #techrights [14:58] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:59] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 87.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 132.33 [14:59] TR News Florida https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/florida-officially-asks-supreme-court-to-review-its-social-media-content-moderation-law/ | Source: Techdirt [14:59] TR Bot Officially Asks Supreme Court To Review Its Social Media Content Moderation Law | Techdirt ● Sep 23 [15:00] TR News Cellebrite https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/cellebrite-accidentally-leaked-thousands-of-sensitive-documents-during-handover-to-japanese-corporate-partner/ | Source: Techdirt [15:00] TR Bot Accidentally Leaked Thousands Of Sensitive Documents During Handover To Japanese Corporate Partner | Techdirt [15:00] TR News Police surveillance https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/san-franciscos-board-supervisors-grants-police-more-surveillance-powers | Source: EFF [15:00] TR Bot San Franciscos Board of Supervisors Grants Police More Surveillance Powers | Electronic Frontier Foundation [15:02] TR News Astro Pi https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/astro-pi-mission-zero-2022-23-is-open/ | Source: Raspberry Pi [15:02] TR Bot Astro Pi Mission Zero 2022/23 is open for young people - Raspberry Pi [15:03] TR News The broadband swindle https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/cable-giant-charter-will-pay-1-1-billion-after-tech-murders-elderly-customer/ | Source: Techdirt [15:03] TR Bot Giant Charter Will Pay $1.1 Billion After Tech Murders Elderly Customer | Techdirt [15:06] TR News Minneapolis https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/22/new-data-from-the-bureau-of-prisons-indicates-bail-reform-wont-make-americans-less-safe/ | Source: Techdirt [15:06] TR Bot Data From The Bureau Of Prisons Indicates Bail Reform Wont Make Americans Less Safe | Techdirt [15:07] TR News "Utility data has historically provided a detailed picture of what occurs within a home." https://www.eff.org/press/releases/lawsuit-smud-and-sacramento-police-violate-state-law-and-utility-customers-privacy | Source: EFF [15:07] TR Bot Lawsuit: SMUD and Sacramento Police Violate State Law and Utility Customers Privacy by Sharing Data Without a Warrant | Electronic Frontier Foundation [15:07] TR News "The persecution of Julian Assange is a window into the collapse of the rule of law" https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/22/the-chris-hedges-report-julian-assanges-father-on-looming-extradition-and-imperative-of-mass-resistance/ | Source: Scheerpost [15:07] TR Bot Chris Hedges Report: Julian Assanges Father on Looming Extradition and Imperative of Mass Resistance scheerpost.com [15:17] TR News Screwing workers https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/22/lives-are-line-its-time-national-paid-leave-policy | Source: Common Dreams [15:17] TR Bot Opinion | Lives Are on the Line: It's Time for a National Paid Leave Policy | Vicky Badillo [15:19] TR News Better just boycott Starbucks. They will get the message only if impacted financially. https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/unionizing-starbucks/ | Source: The Nation [15:19] TR Bot Unionizing Starbucks | The Nation [15:19] TR News "92 percent of Italians say their top concern is rising energy prices." https://www.thenation.com/article/world/italy-election-meloni-far-right/ | Source: The Nation [15:19] TR Bot Fascists, Neofascists, and Postfascists: Italys Unreal Election Debate | The Nation [15:20] TR News "You Strike So You Dont Quit" https://www.thenation.com/article/society/nurses-strikes-minnesota-michigan/ | Source: The Nation [15:20] TR Bot You Strike So You Dont Quit: Across the Country, Nurses Are Fighting Overwork | The Nation [15:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:20] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/nMeBa21.mp4 [15:22] TR News The inflation https://www.thenation.com/article/society/america-sacrifice-zones-inflation/ | Source: The Nation [15:22] TR Bot No, America Doesnt Actually Need Sacrifice Zones | The Nation [15:22] TR News Listen to this whistleblower https://thedissenter.org/military-whistleblower-pentagons-warrantless-purchase-internet-data/ | Source: The Dissenter [15:22] TR Bot Whistleblower Objects To Pentagon Purchases Of Browsing Data [15:24] TR News Would he live to see it? https://truthout.org/video/trumps-latest-legal-peril-threatens-to-bring-down-his-new-york-empire/ | Source: TruthOut [15:24] TR Bot Trumps Latest Legal Peril Threatens to Bring Down His New York Empire [15:24] TR News And boycott starbucks to send a message of solidarity to starbucks slaves https://truthout.org/articles/unionized-boston-starbucks-workers-celebrate-win-after-64-day-strike/ | Source: TruthOut [15:24] TR Bot Unionized Boston Starbucks Workers Celebrate Win After 64-Day Strike [15:26] TR News China is Capitalist https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/22/china-is-capitalist/ | Source: Counter Punch [15:26] TR Bot is Capitalist - CounterPunch.org [15:33] TR News Tips for the bachelors degree? gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/09/23/tips-for-bachelors-thesis/ [15:34] TR News "These digital or digitally-enabled cultures, like tildes, are no less real and no less important to our lives and the health of the future. They must be cared for." gemini://tilde.team/~tomasino/journal/20220923-roophloch.gmi [15:34] *frog has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:35] *frog (~frog@zy5wq78taf9dq.irc) has joined #techrights [15:35] TR News "I am not a fan of politics, never have been. I don't like reading about it, hearing about it, seeing about it. Thats because people aren't interested in genuine heartfelt discussion and idealogical compromise, theyre interested in pointing fingers, playing with scapegoats and strawmen." gemini://tilde.team/~smokey/logs/2022-09-23-politics.gmi [15:36] TR News FHIOSTU Wordo: VAPID gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-09-23.gmi [15:37] TR News OpenHEYHI https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/openai-hears-you-whisper/ | Source: Hackaday [15:37] TR Bot Hears You Whisper | Hackaday [15:39] TR News Better Scope Measurements https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/better-scope-measurements/ | Source: Hackaday [15:39] TR Bot Scope Measurements | Hackaday [15:45] TR News "U.S. military will start spending the more than $800 billion" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/22/war-spending-climate-emergency-grows-global-nightmare | Source: Common Dreams [15:45] TR Bot Opinion | War Spending Like This as the Climate Emergency Grows Is a Global Nightmare | Stan Cox [15:51] MinceR https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo210.html [15:51] TR Bot Darths & Droids ● Sep 23 [16:16] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [16:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [16:25] TR News "While we have a definite sweet spot in our hearts for analog radio" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/simple-internet-radio-transplant/ | Source: Hackaday [16:25] TR Bot Internet Radio Transplant | Hackaday [16:27] TR News The inflation is a residue of the long-term looting https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/22/fed-rate-hikes-wont-tackle-corporate-profiteering-behind-inflation-experts-tell | Source: Common Dreams [16:27] TR Bot Fed Rate Hikes Won't Tackle the Corporate Profiteering Behind Inflation, Experts Tell Congress [16:29] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:31] MinceR https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo214.html [16:31] TR Bot Darths & Droids [16:34] TR News "The true measure of engineering success or, at least, one of them is how long something remains in use." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/a-love-letter-to-small-design-teams-and-the-b-52/ | Source: Hackaday [16:34] TR Bot Love Letter To Small Design Teams, And The B-52 | Hackaday [16:35] TR News "[Debasish Dutta] has designed a few weather stations in the past, and this, thefourth version of the system" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/22/hackaday-prize-2022-solar-powered-lora-weather-station-for-the-masses/ | Source: Hackaday [16:35] TR Bot Prize 2022: Solar Powered LoRa Weather Station For The Masses | Hackaday [16:36] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [16:39] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:42] *GNUmoon has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:42] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [16:47] MinceR https://i.ibb.co/Gn1KsGw/unknown-9.png [16:49] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 149.63 ● Sep 23 [17:05] TR News Proprietary https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/BIGCOMMERCE-HOLDINGS-INC-110417697/news/Meet-the-New-Release-of-ODBC-Driver-for-BigCommerce-with-macOS-and-Linux-Support-41842806/ [17:05] TR Bot the New Release of ODBC Driver for BigCommerce with macOS and Linux Support | MarketScreener [17:19] TR News It is proprietary, it is spyware, but then again so is this OS. What an awful trend... if people were to adopt it https://chromeunboxed.com/how-to-install-visual-studio-code-on-a-chromebook/ [17:19] TR Bot How-to install Visual Studio Code on a Chromebook [17:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [17:27] TR News Chris Titus Tech boosting Microsoft Proprietary Prison GitHub. Still a Microsofter at heart. GitHub is an attack on Git and, by extension, on Free software. [17:30] TR News Chromecast with Google TV (HD) features Amlogic S805X2 CPU with AV1 video support https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/23/chromecast-with-google-tv-hd-amlogic-s805x2-cpu-av1-video/ [17:30] TR Bot Chromecast with Google TV (HD) features Amlogic S805X2 CPU with AV1 video support - CNX Software [17:32] TR News Wayland still sucks. Even its principal pusher, ICBM, cannot make it work. https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2022/09/19/is-wayland-really-a-future-of-desktop/ [17:32] TR Bot Is Wayland really a future ofdesktop? Marcin Juszkiewicz [17:32] *AdmFubar has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:32] TR News "All this talk about types, objects, and systems, got me to thinking, "what would it take to create a 100% backwards-compatible pure Perl proof-of-concept for optionally typable subroutine signatures". I mean really, how hard could it be?" http://blogs.perl.org/users/al_newkirk/2022/09/my-perl-weekly-challenge.html [17:32] TR Bot Perl Weekly Challenge | AWNCORP [blogs.perl.org] [17:33] techuser there is no future [17:33] TR News Chris Titus: "You are Using GitHub WRONG!" Reality: You are using GitHub, WHICH IS WRONG! [17:34] schestowitz[TR] techuser: there is [17:34] schestowitz[TR] maybe you read the wrong forum [17:34] schestowitz[TR] or speak to the wrong people [17:34] techuser GitHub is using you [17:34] schestowitz[TR] yeah [17:34] techuser things will only get worse indefinitely [17:34] schestowitz[TR] but it will shrink in relative share [17:34] schestowitz[TR] over time [17:34] techuser until society self-destructs [17:34] schestowitz[TR] maybe for ukraine in the coming year [17:34] techuser maybe not completely [17:35] schestowitz[TR] we have a chance [17:35] schestowitz[TR] if people stop having kids or have a lot fewer [17:35] schestowitz[TR] and tven then we need to wait 1-2 generations for rebalancing [17:35] schestowitz[TR] maybe 3 generations [17:37] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@ngqaam7baxnug.irc) has joined #techrights [17:41] TR News The END is near for the Steam Deck... reservation queue. (Plus other Steam Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=WKx5-SHvyLQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/WKx5-SHvyLQ [17:41] TR Bot The END is near for the Steam Deck... reservation queue. (Plus other Steam Deck news) - Invidious [17:42] schestowitz[TR] price of energy and food = humans competiting for scarcer resources [17:42] schestowitz[TR] and currencies deflated [17:42] schestowitz[TR] uk pound has just collapsed [17:42] schestowitz[TR] due to the bankster [17:42] schestowitz[TR] and policies that favour the rich again [17:42] schestowitz[TR] they have all the lobbyists [17:43] TR News 69: EVGA Says No More To Nvidia - A New Player Enters The GPU Market - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-69/ Source: Tux Digital | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tuxdigital.com/podcasts/hardware-addicts/ha-69/ [17:43] TR Bot EVGA Says No More To Nvidia & A New Player Enters The GPU Market - Hardware Addicts - TuxDigital [17:44] TR News "Alex is replacing his Chromecast and Google Nest Mini with an open-source solution, and why were all getting a little hyped about Matter." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/show/self-hosted/80/ [17:44] TR Bot Solving Whole Home Audio | Jupiter Broadcasting [17:47] TR News Can reflections in eyeglasses actually leak info from Zoom calls? Here's a study into it https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/17/glasses_reflections_zoom/ [17:47] TR Bot Lens reflections may betray your secrets in Zoom video calls The Register [17:47] TR News Private Eye: On the Limits of Textual Screen Peeking via Eyeglass Reflections in Video Conferencing https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.03971 Source: arXiv | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//arxiv.org/abs/2205.03971 [17:47] TR Bot [2205.03971] Private Eye: On the Limits of Textual Screen Peeking via Eyeglass Reflections in Video Conferencing [17:48] schestowitz[TR] techuser: hand in there, be among the survivors. 15 years ago they said gnu/linuix was doomed due to novell, microsoft, patents [17:48] schestowitz[TR] but it has grrrown a lot since [17:48] schestowitz[TR] yesterday at work someone called our support line [17:48] schestowitz[TR] not for tech support [17:48] schestowitz[TR] but someone suicidal [17:48] schestowitz[TR] a colleague picked up the call [17:49] schestowitz[TR] that was US [17:49] schestowitz[TR] lots of youths there is hopeless [17:49] schestowitz[TR] I read that tiktok is creating this sentiment [17:49] schestowitz[TR] maybe that's china playing psy-ops on rival nations, who knows... [17:50] TR News Kubernetes 101 for developers: Names, ports, YAML files, and more | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/30/kubernetes-101-developers-names-ports-yaml-files-and-more#kubernetes_rolling_updates [17:50] TR Bot Kubernetes 101 for developers: Names, ports, YAML files, and more | Red Hat Developer [17:51] TR News Qt for Android Automotive 6.3.2 is released https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.3.2-is-released Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.3.2-is-released [17:51] TR Bot Qt for Android Automotive 6.3.2 is released [17:53] TR News Top 5 Best Call forwarding Apps for Android Devices in 2022 https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-call-forwarding-apps-for-android-devices/ [17:53] TR Bot Top 5 Best Call forwarding Apps for Android Devices in 2022 [17:55] TR News GNU/Linux bloggers who wish to promote GNU/Linux to Windows users should introduce them to VirtualBox, NOT WSL!!! WSL is actively and intentionally attacking GNU/Linux. [17:56] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.2.gmi [17:56] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [17:56] TR News (NEW): PeerTube 4.3 Free Video Platform Is Out with New Functionalities http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/PeerTube_4_3_Free_Video_Platform_Is_Out_with_New_Functionalitie.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/PeerTube_4_3_Free_Video_Platform_Is_Out_with_New_Functionalitie.gmi [17:56] TR Bot Tux Machines PeerTube 4.3 Free Video Platform Is Out with New Functionalities [17:56] TR News "As promised in the previous edition of FOSS Weekly, we have created a crossword for you. This one is focused on various desktop environments and window managers." https://news.itsfoss.com/foss-weekly-22-35/ [17:56] TR Bot FOSS Weekly #22.35: Linux Crossword, EuroLinux, GNOME 43, Files and Directories [17:58] TR News Fedora Community Blog: CPE Weekly Update Week 38 2022 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-38-2022/ [17:58] TR Bot CPE Weekly Update - Week 38 2022 Fedora Community Blog [17:58] TR News Pipelines for cloud-native network functions (CNFs) Part 2: Pipelines for lifecycle management https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/pipelines-cloud-native-network-functions-cnfs-part-2-pipelines-lifecycle-management Source: Red Hat Official | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/pipelines-cloud-native-network-functions-cnfs-part-2-pipelines-lifecycle-management [17:58] TR Bot Pipelines for cloud-native network functions (CNFs) Part 2: Pipelines for lifecycle management [17:59] TR News ICBM shilling clown computing as RoI... yeah, Africans selling their own to slavery was good "RoI" too https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/questions-ask-investing-new-technologies [17:59] TR Bot 4 questions IT leaders should ask before investing in new technologies | The Enterprisers Project ● Sep 23 [18:01] TR News 600: Use NIR backend by default (!18753) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18753?commit_id=6be7c2ef51ecdc97cb366f2d5b706629d33777d7 [18:01] TR Bot r600: Use NIR backend by default (!18753) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab [18:03] MinceR (cat) https://apina.biz/40020.jpg?mode=sfw [18:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/40020.jpg [18:08] TR News [PATCH v4 00/25] RSEQ node id and virtual cpu id extensions - Mathieu Desnoyers https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220922105941.237830-1-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com/ [18:08] TR Bot [PATCH v4 00/25] RSEQ node id and virtual cpu id extensions - Mathieu Desnoyers [18:09] TR News "It should be the last drm-misc-next PR for 6.1" https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2022-September/373293.html [18:09] TR Bot [PULL] drm-misc-next [18:09] TR News intel/nir/rt: ray query fixes (!17396) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17396 [18:09] TR Bot intel/nir/rt: ray query fixes (!17396) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab [18:10] TR News Phoronix marketing spam: "Solidigm kindly provided the 1TB and 2TB units as review samples for testing at Phoronix. They provided two of the 1GB drives, which will be interesting for a Linux RAID follow-up benchmarking article." https://www.phoronix.com/review/solidigm-p41-plus [18:10] TR Bot P41 Plus NVMe SSD Review - Phoronix [18:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:33] TR News "I have built EasyOS 4.4, for final testing, and tested it on some of my small collection of computers. Unfortunately, get a black screen on one of the computers." https://bkhome.org/news/202209/limine-412-black-screen.html [18:33] TR Bot Limine 4.1.2 black screen [18:34] TR News "With an abundance of hardware and software available, it has never been easier to create a working prototype. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then a prototype is worth a thousand meetings" https://ubuntu.com//blog/iot-project-lifecycle-efficient-prototyping-with-snaps-and-ubuntu-core-part-i [18:34] TR Bot Project Lifecycle: Efficient prototyping with Snaps and Ubuntu Core [Part I] | Ubuntu [18:34] TR News (NEW): #HowTo Fix: sudo Command Not Found Error http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/How_to_Fix_sudo_Command_Not_Found_Error.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/How_to_Fix_sudo_Command_Not_Found_Error.gmi [18:34] TR Bot Tux Machines How to Fix: sudo Command Not Found Error [18:36] highest_cubist_thrills we do this 'stupid' thing called cooking <- i think targeting the kitchen toolchain is uninteresting, just use openmcdonalds [18:36] highest_cubist_thrills pots and pans are old [18:37] TR News Lox365 extension: XLOOKUP (and more) for LibreOffice Calc https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/09/23/lox365-extension-xlookup-and-more-for-libreoffice-calc/ [18:37] TR Bot Lox365 extension: XLOOKUP (and more) for LibreOffice Calc - The Document Foundation Blog [18:38] TR News Google Analytics (GULAG malware) is illegal https://www.datatilsynet.dk/english/google-analytics/use-of-google-analytics-for-web-analytics [18:38] TR Bot Press release: Use of Google Analytics for web analytics [18:39] TR News Open Web Search https://openwebsearch.eu/ [18:39] TR Bot Open Web Search Promoting Europe's Independence in Web Search Funded by the Horizon Europe Programme [18:40] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22081546 [18:40] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/pvfq020yeph91.jpg created on 2022-08-15 18:04:18.108062 [18:41] TR News "rms has led the free software movement for 40 years. his asset is his flaw. he is stubborn. extremely stubborn. absolutely unwilling to deviate, admit fault, change, or back down." https://j3s.sh/thought/drones-run-linux-free-software-isnt-enough.html [18:41] TR Bot jes post [18:43] TR News Ten challenges for Rust https://www.ncameron.org/blog/ten-challenges-for-rust/ Source: ncameron | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ncameron.org/blog/ten-challenges-for-rust/ [18:43] TR Bot Ten challenges for Rust [18:43] highest_cubist_thrills /me has another gob of ghost pepper saunce (theres no salt but they allegedly added pepper) and cant believe how tame they made it [18:44] highest_cubist_thrills thi isnt machismo. they really did put a "hint" of ghost pepper but most rando hot sauces are spicier [18:44] highest_cubist_thrills and it does not say mild. this sauce is a fraud [18:44] TR News Photography for geeks https://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/photo_basics/ Source: coredump | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lcamtuf.coredump.cx/photo_basics/ [18:44] TR Bot Photography for geeks [18:45] highest_cubist_thrills points for no added sodium (not marketed as such) and i never get the ones that are high in salt, so this is a fair comparison [18:45] TR News We Spoke With the Last Person Standing in the Floppy Disk Business https://eyeondesign.aiga.org/we-spoke-with-the-last-person-standing-in-the-floppy-disk-business/ Source: eyeondesign | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//eyeondesign.aiga.org/we-spoke-with-the-last-person-standing-in-the-floppy-disk-business/ [18:45] TR Bot We Spoke With the Last Person Standing in the Floppy Disk Business Eye on Design [18:47] highest_cubist_thrills its healthy, its even tasty, the one thing it isnt is hot [18:51] TR News KDE 5.26 beta, GNOME 43, and New Snap Store - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=51bxcMiMEj4 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/51bxcMiMEj4 [18:51] TR Bot KDE 5.26 beta, GNOME 43, and New Snap Store - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious [18:52] TR News How to Build an Awesome Kubernetes Cluster using Proxmox Virtual Environment - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=U1VzcjCB_sY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/U1VzcjCB_sY [18:52] TR Bot How to Build an Awesome Kubernetes Cluster using Proxmox Virtual Environment - Invidious [18:52] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@58nejqa2kp9h2.irc) has joined #techrights [18:53] highest_cubist_thrills you got truth in my advertising! [18:53] highest_cubist_thrills you got advertising in my truth! [18:54] highest_cubist_thrills /me throws it in the bin and inspects the mcnuggets [18:54] TR News "Python 2 reached EOL in 2020, so Arch's devs reduced the apps that used it to the point it is now entirely removed from the distro's repos." https://linuxiac.com/arch-linux-removed-python-2-from-its-repositories/ [18:54] TR Bot Python 2 Is No Longer Part of the Arch Linux Repositories [18:55] TR News Planned obsolescence in software, too. Bad design. https://lwn.net/Articles/909226/ [18:55] DaemonFC Oh, and she was wrong that I've never programmed anything. I learned BASIC when I was a child. It was obsolete even then, though. [18:55] TR Bot Linux drops Python 2 [LWN.net] [18:55] DaemonFC However it was very very simple to use, and it remains usable with Free implementations on modern operating systems. [18:56] TR News Fedora Community Blog: Fridays Fedora Facts: 2022-38 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-38/ "286 are awaiting a reviewer ... 778 packages fail to build from source" [18:56] TR Bot Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-38 Fedora Community Blog [18:56] DaemonFC Many versions of it let you embed machine code, of course. [18:57] DaemonFC You only have to learn the machine's native code to the extent that you'll be using it, otherwise you can remain with BASIC. [18:57] TR News ICBM acts as if its goal is to kill ALL GNU/Linux distros, including its own, except RHEL. Then sell expensive 'support'. [18:58] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kMXBJW1PuU8 [18:58] TR Bot Jump In the Line - Invidious [18:58] DaemonFC The Commodore works like this. Parts of Microsoft's BASIC for the Commodore are so much slower than native code that you pretty much have to either use it or accept that your application will slow down by an unacceptable amount. [18:59] MinceR turbo pascal was better than basic [18:59] MinceR c++ is better than any pascal [18:59] DaemonFC mjg59_ should harass Piers Anthony. [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 46.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 144.56 [18:59] MinceR who will pay him for that? [18:59] DaemonFC That guy has a book series full of puns. [18:59] DaemonFC Some are bordering on homophobic, but I liked his books. [18:59] DaemonFC Especially the wizard, "Fair E. Nuff". ● Sep 23 [19:00] TR News (NEW): Red Hat and Fedora Family http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Red_Hat_and_Fedora_Family.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Red_Hat_and_Fedora_Family.gmi [19:00] TR Bot Tux Machines Red Hat and Fedora Family [19:01] schestowitz[TR] who will pay him for that? [19:01] schestowitz[TR] Social JustUS Inc. [19:01] TR News (NEW): Videos: KDE 5.26, Steam Deck Waiting Line, Proxmox, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Videos_KDE_5_26_Steam_Deck_Waiting_Line_Proxmox_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Videos_KDE_5_26_Steam_Deck_Waiting_Line_Proxmox_and_More.gmi [19:01] TR Bot Tux Machines Videos: KDE 5.26, Steam Deck Waiting Line, Proxmox, and More [19:03] TR News futex2 at Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 | tony is coding https://andrealmeid.com/post/2022-09-22-lpc22/ Source: Andr Almeida | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//andrealmeid.com/post/2022-09-22-lpc22/ [19:03] TR Bot futex2 at Linux Plumbers Conference 2022 | tony is coding [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills turbo pascal was better than basic <- youre doing it wrong [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills program okboomer; [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills begin [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills turbo pascal was better than basic [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills end. [19:04] MinceR ew [19:05] highest_cubist_thrills i know [19:05] highest_cubist_thrills /me never did pascal [19:05] highest_cubist_thrills i tried getting into it [19:06] highest_cubist_thrills its like the boy band of programming languages. but it has some merits, i object to it on aesthetical grounds (and this is from someone who liked basic) [19:06] highest_cubist_thrills but really i just couldnt get into it [19:07] highest_cubist_thrills if you want power, you can do better. if you want ease, you can find easier. if you want to have fun, dont use pascal. [19:07] highest_cubist_thrills but if you have fun with pascal, hey, have fun. [19:07] TR News (NEW): Stupid Simple App to create Light & Dark Wallpapers in GNOME http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Stupid_Simple_App_to_create_Light_Dark_Wallpapers_in_GNOME.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Stupid_Simple_App_to_create_Light_Dark_Wallpapers_in_GNOME.gmi [19:07] TR Bot Tux Machines Stupid Simple App to create Light & Dark Wallpapers in GNOME [19:07] highest_cubist_thrills /me tries to imagine someone actually enjoying it, but cant relate at all [19:08] highest_cubist_thrills im quite sure it has merits, they just dont fit together into a package that makes much sense to me [19:08] TR News Zen sand garden in a suitcase doubles as MIDI controller | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/23/zen-sand-garden-in-a-suitcase-doubles-as-midi-controller/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/23/zen-sand-garden-in-a-suitcase-doubles-as-midi-controller/ [19:08] TR Bot Zen sand garden in a suitcase doubles as MIDI controller | Arduino Blog [19:08] MinceR i object to both basic and pascal on aesthetical grounds [19:08] MinceR also to cobol and ruby [19:08] TR News (NEW): Marcin 'hrw' Juszkiewicz on Wayland and Andr Almeida on futex2 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Marcin_hrw_Juszkiewicz_on_Wayland_and_Andre_Almeida_on_futex2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Marcin_hrw_Juszkiewicz_on_Wayland_and_Andre_Almeida_on_futex2.gmi [19:08] TR Bot Tux Machines Marcin 'hrw' Juszkiewicz on Wayland and Andr Almeida on futex2 [19:08] highest_cubist_thrills object pascal [19:08] MinceR and to lua [19:08] AdmFubar you weren't supposed to actually program in pascal, it was supposed to be used to teach good programming practices. [19:08] MinceR object pascal is just pascal [19:08] MinceR well, it failed at that [19:08] TR News Lisp macros are magical https://blog.steve.fi/lisp_macros_are_magical.html Source: Steve Kemp | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.steve.fi/lisp_macros_are_magical.html [19:09] TR Bot Lisp macros are magical [19:09] highest_cubist_thrills i know i was "i object to both basic and pascal" [19:09] highest_cubist_thrills object basic [19:09] MinceR lol [19:09] highest_cubist_thrills and to lua <- lua is probably the most relevant of these now [19:09] TR News TPF launches merch store for Perl 5 | dean [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/09/tpf-launches-merch-store-for-perl-5.html Source: Perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/09/tpf-launches-merch-store-for-perl-5.html [19:09] TR Bot launches merch store for Perl 5 | dean [blogs.perl.org] [19:09] highest_cubist_thrills the last real basic was qb64, and i think it jumped the shark [19:10] highest_cubist_thrills any popular basic will always abandon its own purpose, because it invariably gets taken over by gamers who want to turn it into yet another gamebasic [19:10] highest_cubist_thrills what sucks about that is then you never see the potential for creating anything but games with it [19:10] highest_cubist_thrills so if you dont want to do a game, you learn javascript instead. [19:10] highest_cubist_thrills so basically, candy cigarettes are a gateway to heroin overdose. [19:10] TR News Connection to Linux? ZERO! Why cover this? "Thanks to Rakoit for sending us the Arylic S50 Pro+ for todays audio test." https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/23/review-arylic-s50-pro-wireless-stereo-pre-amplifier/ [19:10] TR Bot Review of Arylic S50 Pro+ wireless stereo pre-amplifier - CNX Software [19:11] MinceR lol [19:11] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: I post so much in #techpol, and ye are not there %). [19:11] highest_cubist_thrills no, but its too bad there isnt an application basic, apart from the caveat that... [19:11] highest_cubist_thrills i mean [19:11] highest_cubist_thrills and ye are not there %) <- well first of all, i still admire your politics (or respect them anyway) and so im flattered that it matters even enough to mention it [19:12] highest_cubist_thrills i dont think #techpol is anything but a netsplit (the concept is fine, the implementation is buggy) but my objections are entirely self-serving [19:12] highest_cubist_thrills in fact, if i thought about what i REALLY want, i should just cheer on the netsplit. [19:12] highest_cubist_thrills /me fiddles while rome burns [19:12] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: It has a lot of flamewar stuff going on. [19:13] highest_cubist_thrills yeah but now youve safely contained it. [19:13] highest_cubist_thrills let me know when starstreak starts chatting there, shes my favourite [19:13] highest_cubist_thrills until then my heart belongs only to mincer [19:14] highest_cubist_thrills apart from the caveat that... <- what i mean is, i liked basic enough to use mostly that for a quarter of a century [19:14] highest_cubist_thrills with all its limitations [19:14] TR News Proprietary spam/puff piece disguised as journalism https://containerjournal.com/features/d2iq-extends-reach-of-kubernetes-management-platform/ [19:14] MinceR no, your heart belongs to you [19:14] MinceR you need it [19:14] MinceR it circulates blood in your body [19:14] MinceR without it, you would die [19:14] TR Bot D2iQ Extends Reach of Kubernetes Management Platform - Container Journal [19:15] highest_cubist_thrills i most certainly explored (dozens of) derivatives, new features and ideas [19:15] highest_cubist_thrills basic never adds the necessary ("necessary") data types, and when it does it adds them in a way i can only describe as sadistic [19:15] highest_cubist_thrills the closest youll ever get to a basic that has modern features that are WELL INTEGRATED is python 2 [19:15] TR News Microsoft moles in Linux kernel, destroying POSIX https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/91c21f32-cc6f-2c2e-ebf7-d1d738090aef@paragon-software.com/ [19:15] highest_cubist_thrills and thats why when i finally left basic behind, it was for python 2 [19:15] TR Bot [PATCH 0/2] fs/ntfs3: Add option "nocase" and refactoring - Konstantin Komarov [19:16] highest_cubist_thrills python 2 is not maintained, as they beam from billboards in neon lighting [19:16] highest_cubist_thrills on behalf of google and microsoft [19:16] highest_cubist_thrills but pypy 2 IS. [19:16] highest_cubist_thrills its all the python 2 anyone needs-- most would say even more than that. [19:16] DaemonFC Wasn't there a fork of Python 2? [19:16] MinceR lisp is better anyway [19:16] highest_cubist_thrills python 3 is not a language, its a webapi like rust [19:17] MinceR it's a pity i was not taught to program using SICP [19:17] highest_cubist_thrills raku is probably stable, but perl 7, mark my words, will be like rust and python 3 this way [19:17] highest_cubist_thrills the only problem with stuff like sicp [19:17] TR News (NEW): Mabox September 2022 ISO refresh http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Mabox_September_2022_ISO_refresh.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Mabox_September_2022_ISO_refresh.gmi [19:17] TR Bot Tux Machines Mabox September 2022 ISO refresh [19:17] highest_cubist_thrills i mean its not, for those who pick it up themselves. [19:17] TR News Valves Lawrence Yang and Pierre-Loup Griffais Interview with Japanese Media: "We dont consider the Nintendo Switch to be a competitor" - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/valves-lawrence-yang-and-pierre-loup-griffais-interview-with-japanese-media-we-dont-consider-the-nintendo-switch-to-be-a-competitor/ Source: Boiling Steam [19:17] TR Bot Valve's Lawrence Yang and Pierre-Loup Griffais' Interview with Japanese Media: "We don't consider the Nintendo Switch to be a competitor" - Boiling Steam [19:17] highest_cubist_thrills then its harmless [19:18] highest_cubist_thrills programming is best learned at the same time as reading and writing. of this im quite convinced [19:18] XRevan86 1. Python 2 has actual webapi; 2. Raku is indeed stable but not best performing; 3. Perl 7 is basically Perl 5. [19:18] highest_cubist_thrills woz says its impossible. pretty rediculous when theres 80s footage in canada of classrooms that prove hes full of shit [19:18] highest_cubist_thrills Python 2 has actual webapi <- no no no no no no no [19:18] highest_cubist_thrills i MEAN [19:18] highest_cubist_thrills it doesnt matter that it has web interface [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills when i say "webapi" [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills i mean that if youre not connected to the web, rust falls apart. [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills sure, you can use it offline [19:19] DaemonFC MinceR, I got my $100 Prickster Bucks from the STATE OF ILL. [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills but you cant develop without staying current on it [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills because its too unstable [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills theres an element of hyperbole [19:19] highest_cubist_thrills if you take the hyperbole away, then you miss an important antifeature of rust. [19:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [19:20] highest_cubist_thrills python 3 does it too, but its easier to demonstrate with rust, where its even more egregious [19:20] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: Python 3 has PIP, Python 2 had PIP there's no difference. [19:20] highest_cubist_thrills stability USED TO BE a feature [19:20] highest_cubist_thrills Python 3 has PIP, Python 2 had PIP there's no difference. <- this is like saying that steve jobs has a black turtleneck, so if bill gates dons a black turtleneck, now he is steve jobs. [19:20] highest_cubist_thrills i dont even know what even. [19:21] MinceR how did stability change in python? [19:21] MinceR afaik basically they just added stuff every now and then, noted which version added it [19:21] highest_cubist_thrills python 2 was stable (but not as much as it could have been) [19:21] MinceR then they overhauled the language with 3 [19:21] highest_cubist_thrills thats fair [19:21] MinceR and then they resumed the above [19:21] highest_cubist_thrills then they overhauled the language with 3 <- yeah, they hauled it over a cliff [19:21] highest_cubist_thrills "overhauled" [19:21] XRevan86 MinceR: They dropped distutils, but arguably that's not really part of the language. [19:21] MinceR they made new-style objects the default, made print into a function, added nonlocal (which is great) [19:22] TR News Microsoft-funded 'analyst': "If we normalize projects baiting developers with an open source license to gain traction and switching to a non-open source license to monopolize the returns on that traction, then the logical next step for investors will be skipping that first step entirely." https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/09/23/dead-end/ [19:22] TR Bot The Dead End tecosystems [19:22] highest_cubist_thrills there are long and technical diatribes talking about whats wrong with python 3 i could never compete with. but they werent my influence, i came to this first-hand (that sounds wrong) [19:22] highest_cubist_thrills they only corroborated what i already knew [19:22] highest_cubist_thrills and added to it [19:22] MinceR the things i'm aware of have nothing to do with stability per se [19:22] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:22] XRevan86 And because it's installation, it's the safest thing to break there is. [19:23] MinceR the greatest issue is that van Rossum sold his soul to the redmond mafia [19:23] XRevan86 Which so far hasn't affected Python as a language. [19:23] highest_cubist_thrills the things i'm aware of have nothing to do with stability per se <- while its not technically necessary, i think it helps to rely on something before you can tell how much stability it really loses [19:23] MinceR and the other issue is that python3 forces unicode in contexts where you can't really depend on unicode-compliant strings [19:23] highest_cubist_thrills and people who love shit changing all the time dont care, so they always say "its fine imo" [19:23] highest_cubist_thrills only people who actually value stability are affected. [19:23] DaemonFC MinceR, Well, there's opportunity costs to dealing with Python. Maybe you actually really love it and then it changes and breaks. [19:24] MinceR but you still haven't told me what changed [19:24] TR News LLVM prioritises proprietary garbage, it's also owned, controlled, hosted by MICROSOFT PROPRIETARY PRISON https://www.phoronix.com/news/LLVM-Apple-M2-Target [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills thats why this debate will never go anywhere [19:24] TR Bot M2 Support Added To Upstream LLVM Along With The A15, A16 - Phoronix [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills that one stop me from moaning about it [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills but you still haven't told me what changed <- well [19:24] DaemonFC Or maybe you're like me, where you got some programming manuals at the thrift store and said "Oh joy, what luck!". [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills getting back to what i valued about python 2 (for purposes of answering that question) [19:24] DaemonFC And if it was C, it would have still worked, but people were dumping their Python 2 books because they don't work anymore. [19:24] MinceR DaemonFC: i stopped using dead trees to learn proglangs ages ago [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills python 2 was an easier language. [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills python 3 deprecated so many things that were simple [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills not a few things! [19:24] highest_cubist_thrills more like loads of very simple things. [19:24] TR News "For example, we are working with Google to run Steam on Chrome OS. A prototype version of the software has already been released." https://boilingsteam.com/valves-lawrence-yang-and-pierre-loup-griffais-interview-with-japanese-media-we-dont-consider-the-nintendo-switch-to-be-a-competitor/ [19:25] TR Bot Valve's Lawrence Yang and Pierre-Loup Griffais' Interview with Japanese Media: "We don't consider the Nintendo Switch to be a competitor" - Boiling Steam [19:25] highest_cubist_thrills i know you want a list of concrete examples [19:25] DaemonFC By the time I learn anything, it's already deprecated. [19:25] MinceR my transitional period was printing out Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in C++" in a highly compressed form (something like font size 5 and many columns) [19:25] MinceR and reading it all [19:25] highest_cubist_thrills im not as hardcore a nerd as you. its COOL that you can list features that way [19:25] highest_cubist_thrills but what i will say is [19:25] DaemonFC My Web site declared it was HTML 3.2, but it used deprecated HTML 2.0 features where I felt they made more sense. [19:25] highest_cubist_thrills things that could be done "in roughly this much text" or less [19:26] highest_cubist_thrills have increased in length and complexity (too often, not always) in python 3 [19:26] highest_cubist_thrills by as much as 50% or more [19:26] DaemonFC Making things simple is more important than making them to the latest standards. It's not like browsers won't retain a Compatibility Mode. [19:26] highest_cubist_thrills that does answer your question-- it simply doesnt provide examples. [19:26] highest_cubist_thrills its abstract, but its what im complaining about. [19:26] *bnchs (~bnchs@d6z5m8eebs5f4.irc) has joined #techrights [19:26] highest_cubist_thrills google didnt want such a simple language [19:26] highest_cubist_thrills i can understand that [19:26] MinceR i guess i stopped with python3 too soon to really see these large numbers of deprecations [19:26] MinceR or started too late [19:26] highest_cubist_thrills what bothers me is teh deprecated the simple version [19:27] highest_cubist_thrills i had similar complaints about the css gestapo [19:27] highest_cubist_thrills when html4 became THE HOT NEW THING [19:27] highest_cubist_thrills html was childs play [19:27] MinceR and it was an open standard [19:27] schestowitz[TR] now css does ANIMATIONS [19:27] highest_cubist_thrills now, finally, it can be a corporate mess of bloat and popups [19:27] schestowitz[TR] of course MOST browsers do NOT support that [19:28] schestowitz[TR] it also does IMAGE EDITING [19:28] highest_cubist_thrills css made some improvements [19:28] MinceR html5 is "bend the knee to MPEG LA and Big Content" [19:28] highest_cubist_thrills they could have made those to html instead of making a SECOND mandatory language [19:28] highest_cubist_thrills on top of the first [19:28] highest_cubist_thrills now there are three problems [19:28] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: Python 3 makes things easy like asyncio. [19:28] highest_cubist_thrills xrevan86: well that doesnt help me at all [19:29] highest_cubist_thrills /me would love to fork python 2 and make it simpler and easier to maintain [19:29] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: It's perfect to make something simple and concurrent. [19:29] highest_cubist_thrills lets put aside the practicality of that long enough to... something [19:29] highest_cubist_thrills xrevan86: your concept of perfection may be a little more complex than anything im hoping for [19:29] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: Like if ye want to make an IRC bot, ye should take Python 3 if ye value your time. [19:29] highest_cubist_thrills any languge can be made more complex [19:30] DaemonFC mjg59_ would probably say writing Opus in ANSI C makes Jean Marc-Valin a transphobe because it is possible to compile and use it now, even on Windows 95 or OS/2 Warp, or Classic Mac OS when if he'd only written it in Rust, there would be current operating systems it either didn't work in at all (no rust compiler) or where it had lots of bizarre issues (because the port to that OS or arch of rust are extremely bad). [19:30] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: Is an IRC bot that complex of a thing? [19:30] DaemonFC I still use Windows 95 programs. [19:30] highest_cubist_thrills it can be [19:30] highest_cubist_thrills whats it written in [19:30] DaemonFC One of them has an Opus codec compiled to work on Windows 95, but I use it in Wine. [19:30] MinceR y tho [19:30] DaemonFC Because I'm being a hipster. [19:31] DaemonFC Get out of my room dad! I'm using SeaMonkey and Winamp 2.95 in here! [19:31] DaemonFC If you open that door, you have no idea what you'll see! [19:31] highest_cubist_thrills when i talk about python, i always state the reason i feel like i do. then we get into details, or start to. [19:31] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: For instance, a title fetcher like TechrightsBot-tr should be concurrent or else it can get stuck on a title until timeout hits. [19:31] DaemonFC :) [19:31] highest_cubist_thrills then, the very reason i feel this way-- stated in the first place-- is thrown out [19:31] highest_cubist_thrills and im given the reasons OTHER PEOPLE HAVE for liking it instead [19:31] highest_cubist_thrills im aware that people have reasons for liking python 3. [19:31] MinceR it should have short enough timeouts for that not to happen anyway [19:32] MinceR getting a title half an hour late isn't really helpful [19:32] highest_cubist_thrills its obvious, its a very popular language. [19:32] DaemonFC mjg59_ says people should be able to use the software they want. If Opus was even written in a more modern form of C, I wouldn't be able to use it the way I want. [19:32] highest_cubist_thrills if you throw out the very premise of my argument though [19:32] highest_cubist_thrills youre never going to understand what i think is missing from python 3. [19:32] DaemonFC If it was written in Rust, bye bye BSDs and half the architectures. [19:32] highest_cubist_thrills youll make an argument for the changes [19:32] highest_cubist_thrills but you wont actually get the answer to your question. [19:32] MinceR a title bot shouldn't be intensive enough to be relevant for performance hacks anyway [19:33] MinceR the ircd would kick it off long before that with Excess Flood :> [19:33] DaemonFC So long, Solaris. [19:33] highest_cubist_thrills whats missing from modern programming, imo [19:33] DaemonFC I doubt anyone is going to port Rust to OpenIndiana. [19:33] highest_cubist_thrills is the early years [19:33] DaemonFC It doesn't even have USB 3.0 [19:33] highest_cubist_thrills you could probably teach python 2 to 3rd graders. [19:33] MinceR i'd miss USB3 much more than rust [19:33] DaemonFC So Rust creates a lot of problems for users. [19:33] MinceR you could teach python3 to the same [19:33] highest_cubist_thrills you can teach python 3 to 3rd graders but it will be more uphill [19:33] highest_cubist_thrills more suvering [19:33] MinceR the basics of the language are the same [19:33] highest_cubist_thrills suffering [19:33] DaemonFC What if I want to use Windows 95 software along with SeaMonkey on OpenIndiana Hipster? [19:33] highest_cubist_thrills the basics of the language are the same [19:34] highest_cubist_thrills <- mmmmmmmmmm... idk [19:34] DaemonFC And Rust interferes with using the software the way I want it? [19:34] XRevan86 MinceR: True, but what if title fetching is just one of the functions that bot serves? [19:34] DaemonFC mjg59_ doesn't consider this. [19:34] highest_cubist_thrills but that was only half of my point [19:34] highest_cubist_thrills you could teach basic to first graders. [19:34] MinceR if anything, print being a function is more consistent with the rest of the language [19:34] XRevan86 MinceR: Then even a little hold-up will make it laggy. [19:34] MinceR XRevan86: there are many ways to handle that [19:34] DaemonFC Security Theater Boot probably stops OpenIndiana from booting to begin with. [19:34] highest_cubist_thrills and teaching coding basics to first graders is better than making 3rd graders struggle with what used to be easier [19:35] DaemonFC So mjg59_ would call you a transphobe for turning it off to make your choice of OS work. [19:35] MinceR :> [19:35] XRevan86 MinceR: That aren't parallelism? [19:35] DaemonFC You chose wrong. Try again! [19:35] MinceR XRevan86: spawning extra processes is parallelism [19:35] MinceR presumably relying on poll() isn't [19:35] XRevan86 MinceR: But here's a catch: this is *harder* to do than asyncio. [19:36] MinceR is it? [19:36] XRevan86 MinceR: Absolutely. [19:36] highest_cubist_thrills 14:10 https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0Ttw9ks05G4 <- this isnt possible with python [19:36] MinceR splitting it into separate bots is easier than asyncio though :> [19:36] TR Bot Episode 6: Computer Languages - Invidious [19:36] highest_cubist_thrills with python-based logo, sure [19:36] DaemonFC mjg59_ Free Software Definition. Freedom 0: The Freedom to run any program Microsoft signs. Freedom 1: A computer may not harm a human being or allow a human being to come to harm unless and until ordered by Microsoft through a dbx update. [19:36] DaemonFC And so on.... [19:36] MinceR lol [19:37] highest_cubist_thrills is easier than asyncio though <- mincers point actually supports what im saying [19:37] highest_cubist_thrills some things are easier [19:37] highest_cubist_thrills for beginners, making things more difficult is not a benefit usually [19:37] highest_cubist_thrills ive also seen what happens to people who start in the middle [19:37] highest_cubist_thrills they make more progress at first, then hit a wall where they feel they dont understand anything thats going on [19:37] highest_cubist_thrills some make it past the wall, others give up forever [19:38] highest_cubist_thrills you can fix this i think, by going back to the foundations of coding [19:38] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: For beginners there is no difference. [19:38] MinceR logo can be implemented in any turing-complete language [19:38] highest_cubist_thrills we can argue about what the foundations are, because abstractions are useful and abstractions can be argued (misleadingly) as non-foundational [19:38] highest_cubist_thrills but thats unfair because all the "new foundations" are also abstractions [19:38] highest_cubist_thrills so this objection is a double standard [19:39] DaemonFC DaemonFC's position on mjg59_ "Up your nose with a rubber hose, pal." "Go jump in the lake." "Go climb a tree". "Enjoy the simple things in life, such as a marriage license." "COVID will get you some other way than standing in line at the County Clerk's office." "Good evening, gentlemen. Life is short. Make your time." [19:39] highest_cubist_thrills highest_cubist_thrills: For beginners there is no difference. <- well, them im simply going to say youre wrong. [19:39] highest_cubist_thrills because you are. [19:39] highest_cubist_thrills the evidence, the results, are different [19:39] highest_cubist_thrills and you say theres no difference. [19:39] highest_cubist_thrills im sure youre 100% in theory and you can prove it too [19:39] highest_cubist_thrills its just not reality. [19:40] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: Provide an example of a lesson for a beginner that would be harder in Python 3. [19:40] highest_cubist_thrills thats the wrong question, and ill explain why. [19:40] highest_cubist_thrills "a lesson" wont do anything. [19:40] highest_cubist_thrills and it misses the point. [19:40] highest_cubist_thrills try five lessons. [19:41] highest_cubist_thrills five lessons in python 3, or why not 15, [19:41] highest_cubist_thrills are going to be more of a struggle in python 3 [19:41] highest_cubist_thrills because youre going to start hitting tedious shit fast [19:41] MinceR what tedious shit? [19:42] highest_cubist_thrills /me didnt have enough coffee for this [19:42] highest_cubist_thrills /me thinks [19:42] MinceR "WHO GOES THERE?! ...Hmm, too much coffee this morning." [19:43] highest_cubist_thrills ive used python 3 [19:43] highest_cubist_thrills not in the past year or two, except for a moment [19:43] highest_cubist_thrills ive revised a 2000-line program to work in python 3 [19:43] highest_cubist_thrills which isnt SO MUCH but it was the longest program i ever wrote [19:44] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: Those who learn Python 3 aren't required to migrate programmes from Python 2. [19:44] highest_cubist_thrills that was not my point at all [19:44] highest_cubist_thrills my point was [19:44] MinceR or even to know about python 2 [19:44] frog both perl and python got issues boot-strapping and/or cross-compilation [19:44] highest_cubist_thrills i really have to think about python 3, which i rarely use, to answer that [19:44] MinceR sadly, people are encouraged to forget that python 2 even existed [19:45] highest_cubist_thrills also, im familiar with python 3 [19:45] highest_cubist_thrills just not this year. [19:45] highest_cubist_thrills so i have to think back [19:45] highest_cubist_thrills i watch changes being made, being announced [19:45] highest_cubist_thrills so im not entirely in the past [19:45] highest_cubist_thrills but for the purposes of this, i am [19:45] MinceR none of the subtle stuff is likely to show up in a beginner's course either [19:45] frog integrated Lua instead, which, formally, passed all bootstrapping/cross/compilation, including static linking... and tcc-toolchain [19:45] highest_cubist_thrills and what i may be struggling with here is [19:45] MinceR or treatment of different language versions [19:46] highest_cubist_thrills for a beginner, in a lesson [19:46] highest_cubist_thrills 3 and 2 may not be so different [19:46] highest_cubist_thrills basic and python are [19:46] frog because, i intend to and did remove: python, perl (and GNU buildsystem), and with Lua a script interpreter is available still [19:46] highest_cubist_thrills screen 12: pset (5,5) is NOT NICE in python [19:46] frog including, integration of it, with vis-editor [19:46] MinceR and not terribly useful in basic [19:46] highest_cubist_thrills but for a LESSON, for beginners, [19:47] highest_cubist_thrills then you miss the point of pset entirely [19:47] MinceR screen is more of an issue [19:47] highest_cubist_thrills but for a lesson, for beginners, 2 and 3 are not so different [19:47] highest_cubist_thrills for projects though [19:47] MinceR since it assumes exclusive control over the screen [19:47] highest_cubist_thrills 3 will be worse [19:47] MinceR which is nowadays not often given or desirable [19:47] highest_cubist_thrills since it assumes exclusive control over the scree <- wait wait wait [19:48] highest_cubist_thrills thats not really [19:48] MinceR and this doesn't even depend on python2 vs python3 [19:48] highest_cubist_thrills screen does not assume exclusive control over the [19:48] highest_cubist_thrills no im talking about basic now [19:48] highest_cubist_thrills obviously [19:48] MinceR screen sets screen mode [19:48] MinceR including resolution [19:48] highest_cubist_thrills no [19:48] MinceR and then usage of pset assumes a particular resolution [19:48] highest_cubist_thrills it did, in dos mode [19:48] MinceR i know it did [19:48] MinceR i used it [19:49] highest_cubist_thrills okay, yeah, so you know what it did, not what it does [19:49] MinceR but it wouldn't work nicely in a windowing environment [19:49] *frog has quit (connection closed) [19:49] highest_cubist_thrills this whhere facts are not on your side [19:49] highest_cubist_thrills this can go faster if you let me explain very quickly what pset does in this century. [19:49] MinceR ok [19:49] highest_cubist_thrills because the only difference in say pygame... [19:49] *frog (~frog@6v8cjbvydcdre.irc) has joined #techrights [19:50] highest_cubist_thrills is that pygame syntax is way more involved. [19:50] highest_cubist_thrills first, pset lets you provide coordinates and a colour attribute / palette position [19:50] highest_cubist_thrills in freebasic you can give actual rgb if you want [19:51] highest_cubist_thrills so psets not limited to attributes but i like attributes for beginner code and other things [19:51] highest_cubist_thrills mtpaint does index colours too [19:51] highest_cubist_thrills or rgb if you like [19:51] highest_cubist_thrills but more importantly pset lets you give x,y [19:51] highest_cubist_thrills and put simply, in dos mode this corresponds to the entire screen. [19:51] highest_cubist_thrills in a window environment, of course [19:51] highest_cubist_thrills like with dosbox or any sdl-based ui [19:52] highest_cubist_thrills including qb64 [19:52] highest_cubist_thrills pset cannot address the whole screen [19:52] highest_cubist_thrills 5,5 is relative to the 0,0 in the window, obviously [19:52] MinceR and how does your program how big the window is? [19:52] MinceR s/how/know how/ [19:52] highest_cubist_thrills so pset works like any other coordinate based graphics in any modern language [19:53] highest_cubist_thrills and how does your program how big the window is? <- because languages that use sdl can set the size of the window [19:53] MinceR coordinate-based graphics isn't done as much as it used to [19:53] MinceR and what does "screen 12" do? [19:53] highest_cubist_thrills coordinate-based graphics isn't done as much as it used to <- i mean html has canvas [19:53] highest_cubist_thrills sdl is coordinate based [19:53] highest_cubist_thrills i really hink youre asking me to make my argument in an alternative universe that neither of us actually lives in [19:54] highest_cubist_thrills how does lisp do graphics? [19:54] highest_cubist_thrills (this is an absurd question, but the circumstances are absurd) [19:54] MinceR my point is that this looks very much like an approach to graphics that isn't really done all that much anymore [19:54] highest_cubist_thrills i think youre wrong too [19:54] MinceR lisp does graphics the way the library you're using does it [19:54] highest_cubist_thrills coordinates are not passe [19:54] MinceR they're not passe, but we rarely build UIs in terms of "put a pixel on these coordinates" [19:54] highest_cubist_thrills i know there are grid layouts [19:55] highest_cubist_thrills okay [19:55] highest_cubist_thrills so inkscape uses them. [19:55] highest_cubist_thrills gimp uses them. [19:55] highest_cubist_thrills html canvas uses them. [19:55] MinceR inkscape places more complicated graphic primitives [19:55] highest_cubist_thrills tablets use them. [19:55] highest_cubist_thrills the mouse cursor [19:55] MinceR gimp does use them, sort of [19:55] MinceR even gimp uses a brush, but you could set it to be a single pixel [19:55] highest_cubist_thrills anytime you have a mouse cursor and the ability to draw, coordinates are not passe [19:56] highest_cubist_thrills coordinates dont go away when you use sprites, or brushes [19:56] MinceR but you don't normally use SCREEN or PSET [19:56] highest_cubist_thrills pixels do change one at a time-- in reality if not in syntax [19:56] highest_cubist_thrills no, those are basic commands [19:56] highest_cubist_thrills i mean circle isnt a single pixel [19:57] highest_cubist_thrills but i used pset as the simplest example [19:57] MinceR maybe you'd put a canvas in a gui window, ask for its size and then draw something on it [19:57] MinceR but even that's either doing something special, or teaching something to beginners [19:57] highest_cubist_thrills point is [19:57] highest_cubist_thrills graphics in older languages are more trivial to learn [19:57] MinceR kind of like turtle graphics [19:57] highest_cubist_thrills the syntax is something a 7-year-old can handle [19:57] MinceR indeed they are [19:57] highest_cubist_thrills yes! [19:57] highest_cubist_thrills like turtle graphics [19:57] MinceR because their tasks are much simpler [19:57] highest_cubist_thrills yes! [19:57] MinceR and the available hardware was also a lot less powerful [19:58] highest_cubist_thrills so what im saying is [19:58] highest_cubist_thrills not that more complex languages shouldnt exist [19:58] highest_cubist_thrills and the available hardware was also a lot less powerful <- this is also why we have unix pipelines [19:58] highest_cubist_thrills which some people think are passe but i do not [19:58] highest_cubist_thrills theyre incredibly flexible [19:58] MinceR well, i'm not an educator, so i wondered where that stuff fits in a beginner's programming course [19:58] highest_cubist_thrills im not saying python shouldnt exist [19:58] highest_cubist_thrills im not saying very complex [19:58] highest_cubist_thrills i mean [19:59] highest_cubist_thrills im not even against haskell [19:59] highest_cubist_thrills which is definitely less friendly than python [19:59] highest_cubist_thrills what im saying is [19:59] MinceR i consider all pure functional languages to be nothing more than intellectual masturbation [19:59] highest_cubist_thrills weve lost the ability to EASILY teach real coding to younger people [19:59] DaemonFC Bitcoin falling to $18,000 is only part of the story. [19:59] highest_cubist_thrills i consider all pure functional languages to be nothing more than intellectual masturbation <- haskell has real uses, but i dont use it, so my horse in this race is largely hypothetical [19:59] DaemonFC You get $18,000 Biden dollars if you cash them in. [19:59] highest_cubist_thrills im only trying to be fair to it ● Sep 23 [20:00] DaemonFC Which is really only about $15,000 or so compared to what the USD was worth before he took office last year. [20:00] highest_cubist_thrills also it clearly values stability in a way that rust-- mocks [20:00] highest_cubist_thrills and python falls short on [20:00] DaemonFC So in reality, it's lost over 3/4ths of its dollar value. [20:00] highest_cubist_thrills and this is a trend that benefits corporations who want to control our computing [20:00] highest_cubist_thrills but with rust more than any other example so far [20:00] highest_cubist_thrills i dont like seeing python go in that direction either [20:01] highest_cubist_thrills making it about it does or it doesnt is less useful imo [20:01] highest_cubist_thrills i worry about the trend [20:01] highest_cubist_thrills some people dont count genocide as genocide until everyone is gone [20:01] highest_cubist_thrills they talk about birth rates in palestine to refute the direction things are moving [20:02] highest_cubist_thrills there are still jews and native americans-- was there genocide? clearly [20:02] highest_cubist_thrills so i dont like the direction of python but it couldnt be as bad as rust [20:02] highest_cubist_thrills because rust is the supreme example [20:02] highest_cubist_thrills systemd does it too [20:02] highest_cubist_thrills instability is a feature [20:02] highest_cubist_thrills the point is to tie people to the developers [20:02] highest_cubist_thrills its lockin [20:02] highest_cubist_thrills AH BUT YOU HAVE THE SOURCE and its FREE [20:03] highest_cubist_thrills so it CANT be lockin (bullshit) [20:03] highest_cubist_thrills but if the devs break python i have no recourse but to meet their demands [20:03] highest_cubist_thrills but python 2 is forkable probably [20:03] highest_cubist_thrills not more than gnome 2 [20:03] highest_cubist_thrills we dont know if gnome 2 is forkable [20:03] MinceR there's more point to forking python 2 [20:03] highest_cubist_thrills mate is the evidence-- the jury is still out [20:04] highest_cubist_thrills there's more point to forking python 2 <- id appreciate that if i didnt know it was just your opinion of gnome 2 [20:04] highest_cubist_thrills you think gnome is less worthy than gnome 1. perhaps. [20:04] MinceR indeed [20:04] highest_cubist_thrills i think gnome 2 is the last version of gnome thats even possibly worth forking [20:04] highest_cubist_thrills and to appeal to masses thats worth considering imo [20:04] highest_cubist_thrills moot of course, if mate dies [20:04] highest_cubist_thrills do i think mate will survive? [20:05] highest_cubist_thrills if i knew i wouldnt say jury is still out [20:05] highest_cubist_thrills it may be unforkable [20:05] highest_cubist_thrills it would certainly be MORE forkable if it were simpler [20:05] highest_cubist_thrills gnome 1 was simpler [20:05] highest_cubist_thrills gnome 1 should be more forkable [20:05] highest_cubist_thrills but if only 5 people care about gnome 1, and 100 or 200 care about gnome 2 [20:05] AdmFubar bet this will get done on a social media site... https://www.rawstory.com/facebook-whistleblower-launches-nonprofit-to-solve-social-media-harms/ [20:05] TR Bot Facebook whistleblower launches nonprofit to solve social media harms - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism [20:05] highest_cubist_thrills then mate makes more sense [20:06] highest_cubist_thrills it may still be unforkable [20:06] highest_cubist_thrills the thing about gnome is, gnome is based on the idea of you give gnome what it wants [20:06] highest_cubist_thrills its more trouble to provide gnome with what it wants-- it wants a lot! [20:06] highest_cubist_thrills so mate manages that for now [20:06] highest_cubist_thrills in 5 years, what will be left to give mate what it wants? thats the question [20:06] highest_cubist_thrills can they really keep it going, or will it become impossible [20:06] highest_cubist_thrills idk [20:07] highest_cubist_thrills but it should be easier to provide the scaffolding gnome needs [20:07] highest_cubist_thrills gtk of course, seems relevant here [20:07] highest_cubist_thrills but im no expert on gnome [20:07] highest_cubist_thrills if i were going to fork a gui toolkit id fork tk and harfbuzz [20:08] highest_cubist_thrills right now tk only needs github for libffi like every other gui anything [20:08] highest_cubist_thrills but im sure tk will become tainted with harfbuzz like everything else (emacs) is [20:08] highest_cubist_thrills at that point, someone should fork tk and harfbuzz [20:08] highest_cubist_thrills im sure tk is the most forkable gui toolkit there is [20:08] highest_cubist_thrills and i wouldnt hate harfbuzz if it wasnt 1. github 2. esfahbod is a traitor besides [20:09] highest_cubist_thrills like i have nothing technical against it [20:09] MinceR what's wrong with Tk? [20:09] highest_cubist_thrills if anything, tk cant do hindi properly. [20:09] MinceR and what's wrong with harfbuzz? [20:09] highest_cubist_thrills or some other languages herr sixel doesnt care about [20:09] MinceR i'm not herr sixel [20:09] MinceR i'm not afraid of C++ [20:09] highest_cubist_thrills everyting that uses harfbuzz is a hostage of github [20:10] highest_cubist_thrills and the author of harfbuzz is a stallman backstabber [20:10] highest_cubist_thrills and i try to boycott those as close to 100% as possible [20:10] highest_cubist_thrills but i still use tor and recommend gnupg [20:10] highest_cubist_thrills beacuse you cant really do without gnupg afaik [20:10] highest_cubist_thrills but i stopped using nano [20:10] MinceR then harfbuzz should be forked or replaced [20:10] highest_cubist_thrills and i got rid of ff [20:10] highest_cubist_thrills 19:10 then harfbuzz should be forked or replaced 19:08 at that point, someone should fork tk and harfbuzz [20:10] highest_cubist_thrills yes, exactly [20:11] highest_cubist_thrills and tk should use harfbuzz, but im happy to wait until harfbuzz is forked FIRST [20:11] highest_cubist_thrills right now its a negative when harfbuzz is added to a project [20:11] highest_cubist_thrills emacs did that recently [20:11] highest_cubist_thrills now emacs is a hostage of microsoft [20:11] highest_cubist_thrills more than before [20:12] MinceR ideally, Tk would use harfbuzz optionally [20:12] MinceR it probably does [20:12] highest_cubist_thrills yes! optionally works too [20:12] highest_cubist_thrills so you can remove it with nearly zero effort [20:12] highest_cubist_thrills it probably doe <- i doubt it really [20:12] highest_cubist_thrills i would proabbly know if it could. but thats no guarantee [20:13] highest_cubist_thrills i try to follow ALL of this stuff [20:13] highest_cubist_thrills its not really possible. things will be missed and found out later. [20:13] highest_cubist_thrills i DO get useful information here sometimes [20:13] highest_cubist_thrills like starstreak mentioned haiku is a mirror. shes not wrong. [20:13] highest_cubist_thrills im pretty careful but im human. she was right. [20:16] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [20:18] highest_cubist_thrills say the magic word and the duck comes out [20:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[20:22] highest_cubist_thrills sure they break stuff but they have lockin so they have to make things work together slightly more. slightly. [20:22] DaemonFC Only a transphobe doesn't want to use GTK. [20:22] highest_cubist_thrills when they take over free software they have to break more things to simulate lockin [20:22] highest_cubist_thrills so compatibility becomes less important. slightly. [20:23] highest_cubist_thrills its a cliche now [20:23] highest_cubist_thrills but the halloween documents really do predict ALL of this [20:23] highest_cubist_thrills 20 years old [20:23] highest_cubist_thrills theyve been working on it for a while. [20:24] DaemonFC https://www.food.com/recipe/taco-bell-wild-sauce-298543 [20:24] TR Bot Bell Wild Sauce Recipe - Food.com [20:24] DaemonFC I might have to make this and see if it's similar. [20:25] DaemonFC I used to pour this on everything at Taco Bell. [20:25] DaemonFC I used to have them omit the red sauce and just use this inside the bean burrito instead. [20:36] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:36] *bnchs (~bnchs@d6z5m8eebs5f4.irc) has joined #techrights [20:58] DaemonFC "LLVM's optimizer considers undefined behavior a license to kill." [20:58] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22081518 [20:58] DaemonFC It must love C then. [20:58] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ehxvhxa0egg91.jpg created on 2022-08-15 08:13:06.098176 [20:59] DaemonFC Or Go. [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 51.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 149.06 [20:59] DaemonFC Other than having Ken Thompson's name on it, what does Go have....go-ing for it? [20:59] MinceR nothing ● Sep 23 [21:00] MinceR it is both less capable and less established than C++ [21:00] DaemonFC He designed all sorts of programming languages that nobody uses anymore, and so did Dennis Ritchie. [21:00] MinceR the same applies to rust [21:00] DaemonFC C has been the sticky language. Everyone says they want rid of it, nobody really does. [21:01] DaemonFC Some of what makes C sticky is that there's so much software written in C that trying to replace all of it like mjg59_ suggests would cost trillions of dollars at this point. [21:01] DaemonFC So it's here. It will be here after Rust falls out of favor. [21:01] MinceR and it will still have a standard, and it will still have several free implementations [21:02] DaemonFC People who bring in Rust and create bastard Rust and C projects will not be able to salvage what they did in Rust. [21:02] MinceR rust has neither [21:02] DaemonFC The only thing Rust will bring to Linux is a substantial loss of dollar value. [21:03] MinceR Linux is already dying, infecting it with rust will only make it worse and die faster [21:03] highest_cubist_thrills Linux is already dying, infecting it with rust will only make it worse and die faster <- i have mixed feelings about this [21:04] highest_cubist_thrills i should cheer on the destruction but it will only make rust stronger, so im technically against it [21:04] AdmFubar no honor among thieves https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/09/sim-swapper-abducted-beaten-held-for-200k-ransom/ [21:04] TR Bot SIM Swapper Abducted, Beaten, Held for $200k Ransom Krebs on Security [21:13] starstreak it is both less capable and less established than C++ [21:13] starstreak C++ is garbage, C is all you need [21:14] highest_cubist_thrills C++ is garbage, C is all you need <- tries to guess where golang fits here [21:14] highest_cubist_thrills :> [21:14] starstreak people might not like Go but C is superior to almost every language [21:15] highest_cubist_thrills fair enough [21:15] starstreak C++ is garbage because its object oriented [21:15] highest_cubist_thrills ahhhhhhhhhh [21:15] highest_cubist_thrills you dont like oop? [21:16] starstreak https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/ [21:16] TR Bot C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs! [21:16] starstreak oop is trash [21:16] highest_cubist_thrills i was never a fan [21:16] starstreak https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/ [21:16] TR Bot Object Oriented Programming is Inherently Harmful [21:16] highest_cubist_thrills but you use python! [21:16] starstreak i dont use python [21:17] highest_cubist_thrills yeah, i love python for finally making oop not a cult. [21:17] highest_cubist_thrills i mean they made python a cult instead [21:17] highest_cubist_thrills but NOT oop, so [21:17] highest_cubist_thrills /me weighs hands [21:17] highest_cubist_thrills almost worth it [21:17] starstreak is stable diffusion written in python? that might explain why it uses 5-10gb ram [21:17] highest_cubist_thrills "everything is an object" <- yeah but if they have to TELL you [21:17] highest_cubist_thrills they must have done something right [21:17] highest_cubist_thrills is stable diffusion written in python? that might explain why it uses 5-10gb ram <- lol [21:18] highest_cubist_thrills you know hwy it does [21:20] MinceR 23 221431 < highest_cubist_thrills> C++ is garbage, C is all you need <- tries to guess where golang fits here [21:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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[22:34] *techrights_guest|84 (~0e61191e@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [22:35] schestowitz[TR] hi techrights_guest|84 [22:46] TR News "This builds, or at least compiles, but fails at linkage because of the second problem" https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/firefox-105-on-power.html [22:46] TR Bot Firefox 105 on POWER [22:53] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22081514 [22:53] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/qrly8lg21ug91.jpg created on 2022-08-15 06:18:58.751679 [22:57] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.3.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_howtos.3.gmi [22:57] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 71.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 137.53 ● Sep 23 [23:02] TR News (NEW): openSUSE Tumblewee and SUSE Rancher http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/openSUSE_Tumblewee_and_SUSE_Rancher.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/openSUSE_Tumblewee_and_SUSE_Rancher.gmi [23:02] TR Bot Tux Machines openSUSE Tumblewee and SUSE Rancher [23:06] TR News Giant squid corpse with half-eaten tentacles stuns tourists on New Zealand beach | Live Science https://www.livescience.com/giant-squid-new-zealand-beach Source: Live Science | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.livescience.com/giant-squid-new-zealand-beach [23:06] TR Bot Giant squid corpse with half-eaten tentacles stuns tourists on New Zealand beach | Live Science [23:06] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:07] TR News What causes it? Depression? Suicide? Low-quality jabs? Post-COVID-19 complications? Heat waves? https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/23/record-excess-deaths-in-europe/ [23:09] TR News Proprietary should not be needed for this https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/remotepc-offers-high-performance-and-affordable-remote-access-for-linux-machines-301632311.html [23:09] TR Bot RemotePC Offers High Performance and Affordable Remote Access for Linux Machines [23:10] *bnchs (~bnchs@d6z5m8eebs5f4.irc) has joined #techrights [23:12] TR News There are reasons to be sceptical of this because C is already used widely, good developers use it, and it's not clear what developers stayed away from Linux kernel development just because Rust wasn't admissible https://www.therobotreport.com/linux-embracing-rust-will-boost-robotics-community/ [23:12] TR Bot Linux embracing Rust will boost robotics community - The Robot Report [23:14] psydruid https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/339667-nvidia-announces-jetson-orin-nano-updates-isaac-nova-orin-dev-kit [23:14] TR Bot Announces Jetson Orin Nano, Updates Isaac Nova Orin Dev Kit - ExtremeTech [23:16] DaemonFC https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//wgntv.com/news/metra-train-strikes-kills-woman-in-mokena/ [23:16] TR Bot Gemini Portal [23:17] *mib_jwnykh (~0e61191e@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [23:19] TR News "On the whole, it was disappointing, but it was an interesting challenge to try to orient myself to the sky when only about a fifth of it is visible through random gaps in the cloud cover. " gemini://gem.librehacker.com/gemlog/starlog/20220923-0.gmi [23:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [23:21] TR News "Wasn't sure what to call this style of entry, but it's mainly going to be for raving about pieces of media that I've recently enjoyed. Severance was initially suggested to me by my parents, and I was curious about the concept, but oh boy did it exceed my expectations!" gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-09-23 [23:22] *techrights_guest|84 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [23:22] *mib_jwnykh has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [23:23] TR News (NEW): Linux On The Laptop Works So Damn Well That Its Boring http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Linux_On_The_Laptop_Works_So_Damn_Well_That_It_s_Boring.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Linux_On_The_Laptop_Works_So_Damn_Well_That_It_s_Boring.gmi [23:23] TR Bot Tux Machines Linux On The Laptop Works So Damn Well That Its Boring [23:31] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi [23:32] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [23:32] TR News (NEW): Astro Pi (Raspberry Pi) and Arduino Projects http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Astro_Pi_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino_Projects.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Astro_Pi_Raspberry_Pi_and_Arduino_Projects.gmi [23:32] TR Bot Tux Machines Astro Pi (Raspberry Pi) and Arduino Projects [23:38] TR News (NEW): Free Software Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/Free_Software_Leftovers.gmi [23:38] TR Bot Tux Machines Free Software Leftovers [23:38] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/23/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi [23:38] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [23:38] starstreak i use linucks btw [23:38] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:39] schestowitz[TR] you said it before.. 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