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[01:12]	admfubar	https://www.electrospaces.net/2023/09/some-new-snippets-from-snowden-documents.html
[01:12]	TR Bot	Some new snippets from the Snowden documents
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[01:28]	DaemonFC	$2.99?
[01:28]	DaemonFC	With all the things they want you to subscribe to now?
[01:28]	DaemonFC	Netflix for $18.
[01:28]	DaemonFC	Apple Music for $14.
[01:28]	DaemonFC	Microsoft Office? Uh oh, there went another $8 a month.
[01:28]	DaemonFC	Disney Plus!
[01:28]	DaemonFC	Hulu!
[01:29]	DaemonFC	Just subscribe! To all the things!
[01:29]	DaemonFC	HBO Max!
[01:29]	DaemonFC	Adobe Cloud!
[01:29]	DaemonFC	iPhone EVERY YEAR!
[01:29]	DaemonFC	1 oz lighter and a 2% better camera!
[01:29]	psydruid	save $100 a month not subscribing to anything
[01:30]	MinceR	1 less port!
[01:30]	MinceR	s/less/fewer/
[01:31]	MinceR	1 ludicrous design flaw replaced with 2 new ones!
[01:32]	admfubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2023/09/22/elon-may-have-accidentally-revealed-how-extwitter-usage-has-dropped-massively-since-his-takeover/
[01:32]	TR Bot	May Have Accidentally Revealed How ExTwitter Usage Has Dropped Massively Since His Takeover | Techdirt
[01:34]	lundy	"X" is pronounced "sh" in some languagess
[01:34]	lundy	So "Xitter" would be
[01:35]	MinceR	:>
[01:36]	XRevan86	lundy: That's how I always read that.
[01:37]	DaemonFC	Modern computing is like tearing out weeds in your vegetable garden. No matter what you do, 3 more grow back and the wildlife is running off with your tomatoes.
[01:38]	DaemonFC	Then of course because America and Freedom, completely unlike Shithole Countries, the feds pull up and arrest you for even trying to garden because something something commerce clause, and Waters of the United States. Your tomatoes have interfered with Inter-State Commerce and collecting rain in buckets has an effect on the navigable waters.
[01:39]	DaemonFC	So after losing half your tomatoes to the rabbits, who only took one bite and then threw the rest on the ground to taunt you, and all that work pulling weeds....
[01:39]	MinceR	it's funny to read an article about melon while listening to Duskstar from the Postal: Brain Damaged OST
[01:44]	Sapphirus	That's how I feel about Wayland.
[01:45]	lundy	WaylanD the graphical equivalent of an "init system" 
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[01:45]	Sapphirus	By the time they're done with it, it'll be a worse version of X with corporate consolidation of the Linux desktop
[01:46]	Sapphirus	https://youtu.be/afbjKQHFr9Y?t=37184 one of my favourite rants on Wayland from a former Canonical employee
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[01:48]		*psydruid considers practically all modern software obsolete
[01:48]		*lundy considers most modern software very high-budget trolling
[01:52]	Sapphirus	'very high-budget trolling' I agree
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[01:53]	MinceR	performance art?
[01:55]	sharkey	lundy - modern hardware too
[01:55]	lundy	trolling is a sort of performance art, it's just more cynical
[01:56]	lundy	modern hardware: very expensive trolling :)
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[01:57]	lundy	I've got 1000 GPU'! What are you using them for? Firefox
[01:57]	sharkey	corporate obsolescence at its finest
[01:57]	sharkey	they don't make computers like they used to
[01:58]	lundy	500 GPU's make the spinny thing spin faster while the page loads
[01:58]	sharkey	i'll never get rid of the computer i have right now
[01:58]	DaemonFC	Wayland on my Tiger Lake laptop crashes all the time with KDE on Debian 12. On the Skylake laptop, it doesn't.
[01:58]	DaemonFC	So I'm using Wayland on the older one, but X11 on the newer one.
[01:59]	Sapphirus	I've got nvidia. Not even dared to try and see if it'd work with multiple monitors.
[01:59]	Sapphirus	If the anecdotes are to be believed, it's a dumpsterfire.
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[01:59]	sharkey	i have a repurposed intel 486 DX4 100
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[02:00]	sharkey	it used to be a digital server
[02:00]	lundy	FreeDOS?
[02:03]	sharkey	netbsd
[02:03]	lundy	weird
[02:04]	lundy	must have a lot of ram
[02:04]	sharkey	its been through a lot of different operating systems
[02:04]	sharkey	it does
[02:04]	psydruid	eventually it comes down to NetBSD or OpenBSD
[02:04]	sharkey	when i first got it, i ran win95
[02:05]	psydruid	and when those fail to run it's time to get creative
[02:05]	psydruid	or finally put it in a museum
[02:05]	sharkey	thats what the hardware companies want
[02:06]	sharkey	i don't have any CPU backdoors 
[02:06]	psydruid	I run OpenBSD on a Powermac G4
[02:06]	psydruid	although I don't have it here
[02:07]	psydruid	my only x86 systems are laptops I bought years ago
[02:07]	sharkey	even raspi has backdoors
[02:08]	lundy	it has a front door
[02:08]	sharkey	im sure the government and the pentagon will love it when this machine fails
[02:08]	sharkey	so they can get me on the treadmill of constantly upgrading hardware
[02:08]	sharkey	gotta keep the backdoors updated
[02:10]	psydruid	I don't have a raspi
[02:12]	psydruid	https://pineapple-one.github.io/
[02:12]	TR Bot	 Pineapple ONE
[02:12]	psydruid	yes, it's on Github
[02:12]	psydruid	I don't know why they love it so much
[02:14]	sharkey	if its on github its probably because it has backdoors
[02:14]	sharkey	microsoft wouldn't allow true free hardware
[02:15]	psydruid	do you design hardware?
[02:16]	sharkey	no
[02:17]	lundy	it would be nice to have the option though
[02:18]	lundy	when they want to make you buy stuff the first thing they do is decide your options for you
[02:18]	psydruid	I'd have to go through the sources and try to understand them
[02:18]	sharkey	ikr
[02:18]	lundy	then they aren't options 
[02:18]	sharkey	choosing a dictator
[02:19]	sharkey	"here is dictator A and here is dictator B"
[02:19]	psydruid	I know some VHDL and Verilog, but I haven't worked on a core so far
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[02:20]	lundy	in the long run being able to choose a free core probably beats the alternatives
[02:20]	sharkey	i almost "upgraded" but it seemed that all the arm shit has trustzone
[02:21]	psydruid	the nice thing about this core is that could be manufactured at home
[02:21]	DaemonFC	https://www.wsj.com/articles/rite-aid-planning-to-shut-down-hundreds-of-stores-in-bankruptcy-de7967db
[02:21]	TR Bot	Aid Plans to Shut Down Hundreds of Stores in Bankruptcy - WSJ
[02:21]	sharkey	its also hard to find hardware that works with a vga monitor
[02:21]	DaemonFC	I've noticed that thousands of US pharmacy locations have now closed.
[02:21]	psydruid	a SoC using it, that is
[02:21]	DaemonFC	CVS and Walgreens closed a few hundred each and now this.
[02:22]	psydruid	I just ordered some HDMI<->VGA adapters today
[02:22]	DaemonFC	They're shutting down stores to get labor costs down and deter shoplifting. They're closing the high shrink stores first.
[02:22]	psydruid	I don't like throwing out working hardware for no reason
[02:22]	sharkey	same
[02:22]	lundy	if the store isn't there it definitely deters shoplifting
[02:22]	sharkey	these "modern" LCD screens dont last as long as CRT
[02:22]	sharkey	i've had this monitor since 1996
[02:23]	lundy	if it stops working you can fix it with a good whack
[02:23]	psydruid	the backlight stops working after some time
[02:24]	psydruid	I don't know enough about replacing that, so I have disconnected mine for now
[02:24]	psydruid	I still have a few CRTs elsewhere
[02:25]	sharkey	microsoft, the pentagon, the CIA, and hardware manufacturers have all conspired together to make sure technology never lasts much longer than 5-10 years
[02:25]	sharkey	all the new monitors have "smart" features that spy on you
[02:25]	psydruid	such as?
[02:26]	psydruid	I don't think I have any that is less than 10 years old
[02:26]	sharkey	i was at a computer store the other day and i was bewildered to see a monitor with netflix built in
[02:26]	psydruid	oh that
[02:26]	lundy	CloudTV
[02:27]	psydruid	yes, TVs come with all kinds of spyware built-in
[02:28]	psydruid	one I used as a monitor woke up in the middle of the night to connect with the mothership
[02:28]	sharkey	its like a telescreen in 1984
[02:28]	psydruid	but I never connected it to the network
[02:28]	lundy	CCTV isn't really closed-circuit anymore
[02:28]	sharkey	big brother, always watching
[02:28]	lundy	so much of it is online
[02:29]	psydruid	free software on everything should be a thing
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[02:29]	psydruid	or simply disabling all the 'smart' stuff
[02:30]	sharkey	microsoft and ibm keep infiltrating free software projects to make everything so bad that people will just go back to microshit winblows
[02:30]	psydruid	it's a very sinister outlook on life to be constantly spying on your customers and citizens
[02:30]	psydruid	I know
[02:30]	psydruid	and it won't happen
[02:32]	sharkey	i remember how bad win98 was in comparison with win95
[02:32]	sharkey	IE built into everything
[02:32]	sharkey	then redhat had to copy them and make fvwm95
[02:33]	sharkey	now everything is too bloated for my 486
[02:34]	sharkey	i only use X to make it easier to run a bunch of terminals
[02:35]	psydruid	is that your main machine?
[02:35]	sharkey	yes
[02:39]	DaemonFC	https://www.wsj.com/articles/crypto-depositors-spar-with-pricey-lawyers-in-celsius-bankruptcy-and-land-a-few-punches-80cf5aa
[02:39]	TR Bot	Depositors Spar With Pricey Lawyers in Celsius Bankruptcy (and Land a Few Punches) - WSJ
[02:43]	DaemonFC	"Roughly a year after the bankruptcy filing, Alex Mashinsky, Celsius founder and chief executive, was arrested by federal authorities in New York and charged with securities fraud. He has pleaded not guilty to charges of misleading investors, and is out on $40 million bail."
[02:43]	DaemonFC	Ironically, Illinois would have let him out for free.
[02:44]	DaemonFC	He didn't commit a violent crime and doesn't pose an "imminent danger to the community or a specific person", so in Illinois he'd be eligible for cash-free bail under the SAFE-T Act.
[02:45]	DaemonFC	If you're going to commit white collar crime, incorporate in Illinois.
[02:45]	DaemonFC	If the state arrests you, you MUST have a detention hearing within 72 hours, which is before the arraignment court date, which usually takes 1-2 months.
[02:46]	DaemonFC	So before the judge can even seize your passport, you get out, then you can flee the country.
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[02:48]	DaemonFC	Thanks to the Democrats, what Roman Polanski did in 1974 would work for any rich person who rapes a minor in Illinois today.
[02:48]	DaemonFC	The judge wouldn't even have a chance to demand the passport.
[02:48]	DaemonFC	The hearing on detention says this is non-detainable, and it's not an arraignment proceeding.
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[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:24]	schestowitz	<DaemonFC> https://www.wsj.com/articles/rite-aid-planning-to-shut-down-hundreds-of-stores-in-bankruptcy-de7967db
[03:24]	TR Bot	Aid Plans to Shut Down Hundreds of Stores in Bankruptcy - WSJ
[03:24]	schestowitz	another economic miricle
[03:24]	schestowitz	i had to confront p[eople the other day
[03:25]	schestowitz	as he was spreading the BS that people i the UK without work, well over 10 million adults, just chose not to work
[03:25]	schestowitz	when in fact that sort of implies whole chains of stores shutting down is,
[03:25]	schestowitz	people getting "tired" of work
[03:25]	schestowitz	and thus closing down
[03:25]	schestowitz	victim-blaming
[03:26]	schestowitz	<admfubar> https://www.techdirt.com/2023/09/22/elon-may-have-accidentally-revealed-how-extwitter-usage-has-dropped-massively-since-his-takeover/
[03:26]	TR Bot	May Have Accidentally Revealed How ExTwitter Usage Has Dropped Massively Since His Takeover | Techdirt
[03:26]	schestowitz	twitter can never come back
[03:26]	schestowitz	it will just circle down the drain
[03:26]	schestowitz	many people outsourced their "friends" or "audiences" there
[03:27]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: Figure each pharmacy employs a dozen people for the retail floor, a couple dozen to cover the shifts back in the pharmacy, and then a couple managers.
[03:28]	DaemonFC	That's what? Nearly 40 employees per pharmacy?
[03:28]	DaemonFC	Now, you figure that between Rite Aid's bankruptcy and CVS and Walgreens shutting stores down, you've got nearly 1,000 pharmacy locations shut down.
[03:28]	DaemonFC	Somewhere close to 40,000 people lose their jobs just at retail pharmacies.
[03:29]	DaemonFC	And no promise it won't get worse.
[03:29]	DaemonFC	Then Biden gave work permits to 500,000 illegal Venezuelans.
[03:30]	DaemonFC	To shut Eric Adams up, after Texas "deported them" to other States as a form of harassment against Democrats who passed Sanctuary laws figuring they were nowhere near a border and would never have to deal with it.
[03:31]	DaemonFC	In Canada, there's no such concept as a city or county or provincial government passing a law, contrary to Canadian Immigration Law, which says they will shield me from the Canadian feds if I come there, and will look the other way as I work illegally in Canada and someone rents me an apartment.
[03:34]	DaemonFC	Even in Indiana, with no sanctuary law, they don't CALL the feds when they know someone they've arrested is in the country illegally.
[03:34]	DaemonFC	They just hold for ICE detainers if there is one.
[03:35]	DaemonFC	This whole thing hurts me and Mandy terribly.
[03:35]	DaemonFC	There's already barely any work out there and now half a million people? Really?
[03:36]	DaemonFC	Which ones would Maduro kill if we sent them back? None of them? Why the TPS?
[03:37]	DaemonFC	I'd at least get it if there were some people from a country where they'd be murdered if we sent them back, but just not wanting to live in your own country is not an asylum issue.
[03:37]	DaemonFC	There's still people in the US on "temporary protected status" because there was an earthquake somewhere in 1998.
[03:38]	DaemonFC	It becomes really hard to get rid of them and all you can do is "extend it".
[03:38]	DaemonFC	So what they're using it for is slave labor.
[03:38]	DaemonFC	They have no voting rights, they only get to stay 18 months at a time.
[03:38]	TR News	Fedora 39 Beta is Now Available for Testing http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Fedora-39-Beta-is-Now-Available-for-Testing
[03:38]	DaemonFC	If they commit a misdemeanor, they're removable.
[03:38]	TR Bot	connection timeout ( status 0 @ https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Fedora-39-Beta-is-Now-Available-for-Testing )
[03:39]	Sapphirus	<@DaemonFC> In Canada, there's no such concept as a city or county or provincial government passing a law < Because there's clear set bounds in jurisdiction written in our constitution
[03:39]	TR News	Thinking about switching to Linux? 9 things you need to know https://www.zdnet.com/article/thinking-about-switching-to-linux-9-things-you-need-to-know/
[03:39]	TR Bot	about switching to Linux? 9 things you need to know | ZDNET
[03:39]	DaemonFC	Ours too.
[03:39]	DaemonFC	The United States is like 50 small countries in a trench coat.
[03:40]	TR News	Memory Match Linux Distros and Their Package Manager https://itsfoss.com/quiz/match-distros-package-manager/
[03:40]	TR Bot	 Memory Match Linux Distros and Their Package Manager
[03:40]	TR News	Can You Guess the Correctly Spelled Linux Terms? https://itsfoss.com/quiz/guess-misspelled-linux-terms/
[03:40]	TR Bot	 Can You Guess the Correctly Spelled Linux Terms?
[03:40]	DaemonFC	There are "different" limitations set out by law in the US. You are a dual citizen of the federal and state governments. Due to federal citizenship, you can move anywhere you like and they can't say no.
[03:40]	Sapphirus	It's usually followed here, though, and the feds are far less involved in things at the local/provincial level.
[03:40]	DaemonFC	Due to federal citizenship, there are things no state can do to you or every state must do for you.
[03:41]	TR News	FOSS Weekly #23.38: Fedora 39 Features, GNOME 45 Release, Beaver Notes, LTS Kernel Support Change and More https://itsfoss.com/newsletter/foss-weekly-23-38/
[03:41]	TR Bot	 FOSS Weekly #23.38: Fedora 39 Features, GNOME 45 Release, Beaver Notes, LTS Kernel Support Change and More
[03:41]	Sapphirus	Only time you really ever interact with the feds is during tax season
[03:41]	Sapphirus	You almost never interact with them in day-to-day.
[03:41]	eidolon	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1dZkNXuY76o
[03:41]	TR Bot	 WMAQ Channel 5 - Sorting It Out - "Woodfield Mall" (Segment, 1/20/1974) - Invidious
[03:42]	eidolon	"They're attracting oodles of people."
[03:42]	Sapphirus	We also have no concept of a federal highway system, either; since that is provincial jurisdiction.
[03:42]	DaemonFC	Technically, Interstate Highways and US Routes are not federal roads.
[03:42]	DaemonFC	They're federally funded but managed by the state's department of transportation with federal funds.
[03:43]	DaemonFC	Few states are going to say no to money for a federal highway though.
[03:43]	Sapphirus	the feds don't even involve themselves that much in the transcanada highway
[03:43]	Sapphirus	they gave some money for its initial construction and that's it
[03:43]	DaemonFC	Yeah, John says Canadians come over here and are confused about how to even drive.
[03:43]	DaemonFC	I don't know what he means.
[03:44]	Sapphirus	we use the metric system
[03:44]	Sapphirus	but other than that, I don't know
[03:44]	Sapphirus	Not like we're switching which side of the road we drive on.
[03:45]	Sapphirus	We're more metricated in that respect than the UK
[03:46]	DaemonFC	The US had a commission for that but it got shut down before anything much happened that normal people deal with.
[03:47]	DaemonFC	There's one interstate that's in kilometers, but it's a really short one.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Metric for food (secondary units, usually).
[03:48]	DaemonFC	Metric for scientific and medical stuff, but not entirely.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	It's a huge mess.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	The United States law says I can use the metric system "voluntarily", which means I don't have to.
[03:48]	DaemonFC	So I don't.
[03:49]	eidolon	https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/sunak-may-ban-cigarettes-uk-future-generations-the-guardian-2023-09-22/
[03:49]	TR Bot	may ban cigarettes in UK for future generations, the Guardian reports | Reuters
[03:49]	eidolon	Mummy's here.
[03:49]	DaemonFC	The metric system is sort of glossed over in school.
[03:49]	DaemonFC	Then almost nobody EVER uses it again.
[03:50]	Sapphirus	https://live.staticflickr.com/1713/24287788971_a338c8ef68_b.jpg DaemonFC we have signage like this because of the American education system
[03:50]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://live.staticflickr.com/1713/24287788971_a338c8ef68_b.jpg )
[03:50]	DaemonFC	You forget the conversions immediately.
[03:50]	DaemonFC	"Just ask your phone."
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Sapphirus: I could just hit a button on my car and have it in metric.
[03:51]	DaemonFC	So I wouldn't get tickets there.
[03:51]	DaemonFC	Older cars have km/h in secondary. It's in a smaller scale, right under the miles per hour.
[03:51]	DaemonFC	People must be pretty stupid.
[03:52]	Sapphirus	here, analogue car dashes would be inverse that
[03:52]	DaemonFC	If it says 50 km/h just accelerate until the needle's at 50 on the orange scale and then hit cruise.
[03:52]	Sapphirus	km/h big and mph small
[03:52]	eidolon	Neither are difficult to adapt to unless you don't have two to rub together.
[03:53]	Sapphirus	it seems like a lot of Americans don't have two to rub together, though
[03:53]	DaemonFC	I doubt it's much different anywhere.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	Most people are fairly stupid, self-important, entitled, demanding, and do whatever the hell they want to whether it's the law or not.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	The only reason North Korea isn't crime-infested is they'll fucking kill you there.
[03:54]	DaemonFC	You'd get friendly too!
[03:54]	DaemonFC	Everyone would.
[03:55]	DaemonFC	It's "free" countries that have the social rot because it's an environment where people either get away with it, always, or on the off chance they are punished, the courts are too jaded to take anything seriously.
[03:56]	DaemonFC	If you replaced the current American system of justice with "they have mass hangings now" people would snap into line pretty damn quick.
[03:56]	DaemonFC	:)
[03:57]	eidolon	What, like in the public square, you mean?
[03:57]	lundy	It would be like if all murderers outsourced to the government then
[03:58]	lundy	Not murder because we call it something else now
[03:58]	eidolon	It has a distinctive definition.
[03:58]	lundy	Of course most murder is already state-sponsored anyway, it would just cut down on competition
[03:58]	lundy	Solidify the monopoly
[03:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[03:59]	lundy	No more murders, we've always been at war with Eurasia
● Sep 23
[04:01]	lundy	I would say the pros of NKorea are pretty moot
[04:01]	TR News	Kria KD240 is a cost-effective DSP embedded solution https://linuxgizmos.com/kria-kd240-is-a-cost-effective-dsp-solution/
[04:01]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/kria-kd240-is-a-cost-effective-dsp-solution/ )
[04:02]	TR News	Stephane Graber: Bringing back the Incus demo server https://stgraber.org/2023/09/20/bringing-back-the-incus-demo-server/
[04:02]	TR Bot	 Bringing back the Incus demo server | Stphane Graber's website
[04:03]	eidolon	They've got firing lines down there at the Woodfield Mall, but the first time I hear they use blanks.
[04:05]	eidolon	I guess this mall is just a rotting mess if it's still there at all.
[04:05]	eidolon	Maybe a shanty village.
[04:09]	eidolon	By 2023, since the government lockdown, Woodfield Mall had announced several newest additions, among them are Miniso, Radio Flyer, Abercrombie & Fitch, Gilly Hicks, Showcase, Lovisa, Offline by Aerie, Earthbound, Athleta, Warby Parker, The North Face, and Primark.
[04:09]	eidolon	ohlala
[04:11]	eidolon	Radio Flyer, they are selling little red wagons?
[04:11]	schestowitz	<eidolon> I guess this mall is just a rotting mess if it's still there at all.
[04:11]	schestowitz	sounds like here
[04:11]	schestowitz	lots of "commercial space" rot
[04:11]	eidolon	yeah
[04:12]	schestowitz	some places more rapid than others
[04:12]	jrmu	yeah radio flyer is that wagon manufacturer
[04:12]	schestowitz	they even make the boarding up seem "nice"
[04:12]	schestowitz	so that "closing down" feels like "coming soon"
[04:12]	schestowitz	or "space for sale"
[04:13]	eidolon	There's a lot of that around here also.
[04:13]	schestowitz	the static site generator for techrights might be ready to go before GNU40
[04:13]	schestowitz	maybe even this weekend
[04:13]	schestowitz	the "old" site will be back one piece at a time pending review/conversions
[04:13]	MinceR	nice
[04:14]	schestowitz	i might write many articles on software "freedom" in the age of technical debt
[04:14]	schestowitz	that relates to many things inc. systemd
[04:15]	schestowitz	and people held hostage by the "toolmaker"
[04:15]	schestowitz	as the updates come too rapidly and you can only keep up by handing over
[04:15]	schestowitz	e.g. outsource to wordpress.com
[04:16]	DaemonFC	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TJh5wdvdfVE&listen=false
[04:16]	TR Bot	 American Beauty Kevin Spacey applies for job drive through - Invidious
[04:16]	DaemonFC	schestowitz reminds me of this sometimes.
[04:17]	DaemonFC	lundy: Well, I mean consumer crime is basically nil.
[04:17]	DaemonFC	They don't have TVs to steal or a Walmart to burn down as a distraction while stealing the TVs.
[04:17]	DaemonFC	But you'd think there'd be the other crimes.
[04:17]	DaemonFC	Stealing food, if anyone had any.
[04:17]	DaemonFC	The occasional rape.
[04:18]	DaemonFC	But I mean, the government doesn't seem to allow it to happen.
[04:18]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: if you do ok, it is not enough
[04:19]	schestowitz	if your neighbour struggle, you too will suffer
[04:19]	schestowitz	it might manifest itself as that person/s coming to your workplace
[04:19]	schestowitz	or shouting at your window
[04:20]	schestowitz	it is a form of collectivism
[04:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[04:20]	schestowitz	rianne witnessed a man having a breakdown yesterday
[04:20]	schestowitz	in the street
[04:20]	schestowitz	the cops were trying to comfort him
[04:21]	DaemonFC	Oh that's rich.
[04:21]	DaemonFC	They don't do that here unless you're about to jump off a building and someone will have to go clean up the mess.
[04:21]	schestowitz	the context she saw was
[04:22]	schestowitz	he was trying to reach someone
[04:22]	schestowitz	so maybe that someone called the cops
[04:22]	schestowitz	but you get my point
[04:22]	DaemonFC	Yeah, so they didn't shoot.
[04:22]	DaemonFC	So the next part is they'll damned well make you wish they had.
[04:22]	DaemonFC	Forced committal, forced "medications".
[04:23]	schestowitz	that never works
[04:23]	DaemonFC	They'll have you tormented and drugged to the point where you'll say anything to get out of there.
[04:23]	schestowitz	it deepens the problem
[04:23]	DaemonFC	Then they'll say you've been cured.
[04:23]	schestowitz	then, come either suicide or drug OD
[04:23]	schestowitz	and they "solve" the problem by eliminating the "carrier"
[04:24]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: Mental wards are basically homeless shelters in the US.
[04:24]	DaemonFC	You have people say they'll kill themselves so they can get in out of the cold.
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[04:24]	DaemonFC	The psychiatrist legally has to commit them.
[04:24]	DaemonFC	While they're there, they have food, heat, a bed, and a shower.
[04:24]	DaemonFC	For three days.
[04:24]	lundy	Have we no workhouses?
[04:25]	DaemonFC	Then they get released with a month's worth of "medication".
[04:25]	DaemonFC	Have we no workhouses? No prisons!
[04:25]	TR News	Alan Pope: Monitor bandwidth usage with bandwhich https://popey.com/blog/2023/09/monitor-bandwidth-usage-with-bandwhich/
[04:25]	TR Bot	 Monitor bandwidth usage with bandwhich - Alan Pope's blog
[04:26]	schestowitz	not yet
[04:26]	schestowitz	TooSoon(rm)
[04:26]	schestowitz	(tm)
[04:26]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: This 2023 is very eerily similar to that two part episode of Deep Space Nine.
[04:26]	DaemonFC	With the Bell Riots.
[04:27]	schestowitz	i don't understand the reference because I don't warch it
[04:27]	schestowitz	but.
[04:27]	DaemonFC	The homelessness got out of control.
[04:27]	DaemonFC	No jobs.
[04:27]	DaemonFC	Ruined economy.
[04:27]	schestowitz	if you were told 2023 might be more economically dire than 2020, would you believe it?
[04:27]	DaemonFC	So the government sacrificed certain areas as "Sanctuary Districts".
[04:28]	schestowitz	COVID-19 is said to have started (patient zero) oct 2019 in wuhan
[04:28]	DaemonFC	And it acted like it was a kindness to just let people "have" them.
[04:28]	schestowitz	4 years later and the virus is surging
[04:28]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: You clamp up, the economy fails.
[04:28]	DaemonFC	You let it rip, the economy fails.
[04:28]	schestowitz	there's almost no way of escaping it eternally and now they say "war in ukraine" to justify everything
[04:28]	DaemonFC	War in Ukraine!
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Supply shortages!
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Labor shortages!
[04:29]	schestowitz	energy crisis!
[04:29]	DaemonFC	Ever-Given!
[04:29]	schestowitz	energy crisis = let's give RECORD PROFITS to oil giants
[04:29]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: Now it's "CHINESE SHADOW BANKING CRISIS!"
[04:29]	schestowitz	by taking from the national budget. more subsidies.
[04:29]	DaemonFC	The NYTimes reported that a Chinese "megabank" is about to fail because it missed some loan payments.
[04:30]	DaemonFC	The assets?
[04:30]	DaemonFC	Oh, about a fifth of just Silicon Valley Bank.
[04:30]	schestowitz	yeah
[04:30]	schestowitz	china holds a lot of CA debt
[04:30]	DaemonFC	They act like this is going to cause all of China to collapse.
[04:30]	schestowitz	CA as in,
[04:30]	schestowitz	California and Canada
[04:30]	schestowitz	Vancouver, us east coast
[04:30]	DaemonFC	Yeah, they invested in hype and end up with some carnage of their own.
[04:31]	DaemonFC	Ironic, huh?
[04:31]	schestowitz	that worked well for americans temporarily
[04:31]	DaemonFC	They vomit back up 30 years of all the crap we bought from them to put in Walmart as "investing in California".
[04:31]	schestowitz	same with saudi capital
[04:31]	DaemonFC	And then they got swindled.
[04:31]	DaemonFC	Hilarious.
[04:31]	schestowitz	debt is the new currency
[04:32]	lundy	currency is already debt
[04:32]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: Mandy wanted me to go into Amazon Fresh today. I said, "There's nobody here. How am I supposed to buy things?"
[04:32]	DaemonFC	He said "Just leave with it and scan your phone on the way out."
[04:32]	DaemonFC	I said, "I won't do it."
[04:33]	lundy	Meet the new debt, same as the old debt
[04:33]	DaemonFC	"Needing a phone to shop in a physical store is ridiculous and they must not be allowed to succeed."
[04:33]	lundy	true
[04:34]	DaemonFC	What if you want to go shopping without your phone? Can't.
[04:34]	DaemonFC	What if you have no phone because you don't want to pay phone bills?
[04:34]	schestowitz	it's a like barber shop when they give you a mirror and scissors
[04:34]	DaemonFC	Can't.
[04:34]	DaemonFC	What happens if you want to use cash? Nope.
[04:34]	DaemonFC	They don't even take credit cards!
[04:35]		Sapphirus schestowitz schestowitz-pi schestowitz-TR sharkey Sompi 
[04:35]	DaemonFC	Your phone is basically a Bluetooth LE device.
[04:35]	DaemonFC	So the way it works is, they know where you go in the store, as you shop.
[04:35]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: at 39, imagine what might come the next 40 years
[04:35]	DaemonFC	They know what you stop and look at.
[04:35]	DaemonFC	For how long.
[04:35]	schestowitz	worse, imagine having a kid now
[04:35]	DaemonFC	They can study all of this.
[04:35]	schestowitz	what would the next 80 years bring?>
[04:36]	DaemonFC	Again, "I won't do it."
[04:36]	schestowitz	NY Times gaslighting about "lazy babies"?
[04:36]	DaemonFC	My life is already worse than my parents, who had it easy until they were about 50.
[04:36]	DaemonFC	I didn't even have it easy until I was 50!
[04:36]	schestowitz	because debt grew
[04:36]	DaemonFC	I didn't have it easy when I was 20 and it's worse now!
[04:37]	schestowitz	and the money "created" was used for social programs
[04:37]	schestowitz	like Social Security
[04:37]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I was reading a Mastodon server, and this one was full of people like me amusingly.
[04:37]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: and remember you are in a  relatively rich country
[04:37]	DaemonFC	And this one guy just posts random thoughts about how much he hates things.
[04:37]	DaemonFC	So I followed him.
[04:38]	schestowitz	the people who board inflatable 'boats' worry about their next meal
[04:40]	DaemonFC	https://shitposter.club/users/lelouchebag
[04:40]	TR Bot	 Shitposter Club
[04:41]	DaemonFC	There really are all kinds of Mastodon servers, huh?
[04:41]	Sapphirus	brought to you by gnu
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[04:42]	DaemonFC	Sapphirus: The Internet Explorer and Netscape Now buttons were a nice touch.
[04:43]	Sapphirus	a little norton touch
[04:44]	DaemonFC	Lelouche
[04:45]	DaemonFC	lelouchebag
[04:45]	DaemonFC	8h
[04:45]	DaemonFC	>torrenting site
[04:45]	DaemonFC	>no links to most of the torrents
[04:45]	DaemonFC	>instead you join a telegram group to get them
[04:45]	DaemonFC	>????
[04:45]	DaemonFC	Yeah sure I'll totally give them my phone number so I can do illegal shit
[04:45]	DaemonFC	...
[04:45]	DaemonFC	:)
[04:45]	DaemonFC	I like this one.
[04:46]	DaemonFC	I don't know what torrent site tells people to use Telegram and Discord.
[04:47]	Sapphirus	https://media.shitposter.club/proxy/ikg_SPoniNdFY0omH9VWnV5iSFI/aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWRpYS5pZGRxZC5zb2NpYWwvbWVkaWEvODYzYzA5NjNlMGE2MzZhMjAwNzYxY2YyNGI5YjFhZGEzNmQzZTE1NWM5MmViYzZjZjM0YTIzZjQ5ZWRlYmJkZi5qcGc/863c0963e0a636a200761cf24b9b1ada36d3e155c92ebc6cf34a23f49edebbdf.jpg
[04:47]	Sapphirus	apparently I don't have a life
[04:47]	DaemonFC	"zsh is gross and the autocomplete just annoys me more often than not."
[04:47]	DaemonFC	Oh my God, maybe I should stop taking sleeping pills.
[04:47]	DaemonFC	There's a good chance this might be me.
[04:48]	DaemonFC	:P
[04:48]	Sapphirus	this reminds me why I don't use Mastadon
[04:48]	Sapphirus	another GNU spectacular 
[04:48]	DaemonFC	I went sleep walking a few times when I took Ambien and almost burned the house down and then made a peanut butter and jelly out of the phone on the kitchen.
[04:49]	DaemonFC	I have a tendency to do crazy shit in my sleep anyway.
[04:49]	DaemonFC	Sleepwalking has been a problem.
[04:49]	DaemonFC	Part of the reason I have so many locks on the front door at night is so I can't figure them all out while I'm not awake.
[04:51]	DaemonFC	https://static.banky.club/shitposter.club/c707ca9ae74ce5ad69ed96b1478b92476cc8ee6a3eefcfd86cf91899c555de43.png?name=bl.png
[04:51]	DaemonFC	WTF...
[04:51]	DaemonFC	This device is on the Rust Foundation's blacklist?
[04:51]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: ^
[04:51]	DaemonFC	Is this a thing?
[04:51]	Sapphirus	that's a joke
[04:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
● Sep 23
[05:01]	schestowitz	Rust Foundation is a lot of GAFAM
[05:01]	schestowitz	Microsoft/Github included
[05:02]	schestowitz	corporations trying to swallow the volunteers and squashing their voices
[05:02]	schestowitz	like they did feminism
[05:02]	schestowitz	by offering women low-salary jobs
[05:02]	schestowitz	and then lessening everyone's income too
[05:02]	schestowitz	instead of equality you got kids who grow up without parents
[05:03]	schestowitz	are both of them work 8am to 6pm
[05:03]	schestowitz	for much lower salaries
[05:03]	schestowitz	in tech, similarieis
[05:03]	schestowitz	the volunteers are presented with conditions
[05:03]	schestowitz	they must meet some corporate criteria
[05:03]	schestowitz	and work for free
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[05:12]	TR News	GNOME 45 Riga Desktop Environment Officially Released, This Is Whats New https://9to5linux.com/gnome-45-riga-desktop-environment-officially-released-this-is-whats-new
[05:12]	TR Bot	45 "Riga" Desktop Environment Officially Released, This Is What's New - 9to5Linux
[05:12]		*DaemonFC gives voice to jacobk
[05:12]	TR News	GNOME 44.5 Arrives with Improvements for GNOME Software, Epiphany, and More https://9to5linux.com/gnome-44-5-arrives-with-improvements-for-gnome-software-epiphany-and-more
[05:12]	TR Bot	44.5 Arrives with Improvements for GNOME Software, Epiphany, and More - 9to5Linux
[05:13]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: Yeah, the "Fedora Community".
[05:13]	TR News	 (NEW): Tux Machines Now Hosted From the United Kingdom http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/22/Tux_Machines_Now_Hosted_From_the_United_Kingdom.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/22/Tux_Machines_Now_Hosted_From_the_United_Kingdom.gmi 
[05:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Tux Machines Now Hosted From the United Kingdom
[05:13]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux Foundation Rejects Linux Too (GNU/Linux an Afterthought at Best) http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/22/Linux_Foundation_Rejects_Linux_Too_GNU_Linux_an_Afterthought_at.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/22/Linux_Foundation_Rejects_Linux_Too_GNU_Linux_an_Afterthought_at.gmi 
[05:13]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux Foundation Rejects Linux Too (GNU/Linux an Afterthought at Best)
[05:13]	DaemonFC	Debian is kind of like this too.
[05:13]	DaemonFC	People do unpaid work. Ubuntu swipes it.
[05:14]	DaemonFC	Makes it worse, calls it Ubuntu. Partners with Microsoft to prop up Windows.
[05:14]	TR News	Xclipboard in menu but executable missing https://bkhome.org/news/202309/xclipboard-in-menu-but-executable-missing.html
[05:14]	TR Bot	 Xclipboard in menu but executable missing
[05:16]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: Ubuntu used to shill "community" a lot
[05:16]	schestowitz	like, people who gave free support
[05:16]	schestowitz	for a greater good/cause
[05:16]	schestowitz	and later on Canonical was reselling proprietary things
[05:16]	schestowitz	now you see almost no ubunnntu "community
[05:17]	schestowitz	the the chatter years ago about bringing  a "Council" back resulted in nothing visible
[05:17]	schestowitz	just some PR-serving formality
[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:22]	schestowitz	beta version of new Techrights now running
[05:22]	schestowitz	not public yet
[05:23]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: The majority of Ubuntu isn't even really supported.
[05:23]	DaemonFC	You're not guaranteed security fixes for anything that's not in Main.
[05:24]	schestowitz	they cheapen it over time
[05:24]	schestowitz	doctorow made up a word for it:
[05:24]	DaemonFC	Quite often, the last changelogs have Debian developers listed, months or years ago.
[05:24]	schestowitz	enshittification
[05:24]	DaemonFC	Most of Ubuntu's repos are rotting packages.
[05:25]	schestowitz	Windows is rotting
[05:25]	schestowitz	but Fedora does too
[05:25]	schestowitz	the "debt economy" is not working out
[05:25]	schestowitz	and finding unpaid volunteers did not get easy
[05:25]	schestowitz	like Microsoft "MVPs"
[05:26]	schestowitz	or fools who "play" github
[05:26]	schestowitz	basically working for Microsoft for free
[05:26]	schestowitz	github ~= means of production
[05:27]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: Regarding Mr. Lobsta.
[05:27]	DaemonFC	I was looking over the "lawsuit" against "her" employer.
[05:27]	DaemonFC	It's a joke.
[05:27]	DaemonFC	So, over THREE YEARS, "she" made only $24,000 CAD.
[05:27]	DaemonFC	Then...
[05:27]	DaemonFC	Took a claim to the Ontario labor board, whatever they call it.
[05:28]	DaemonFC	Which determined "she" was improperly classified as a "contractor".
[05:28]	DaemonFC	But....
[05:28]	DaemonFC	Far from being a major case or something which "she" was boasting about in #anime on Libera.Chat....or having anything to do with trannyphobia....
[05:28]	DaemonFC	The only issue was classification of employee or contractor.
[05:29]	DaemonFC	They awarded da lobsta only like $965 CAD or something in damages, and it would have stopped there had they also not made a terrible additional ruling.
[05:30]	DaemonFC	Lobsta, before filing this, demanded a "settlement" of several thousand dollars, and wrote it as a "threat" of sorts, scaring "her" former employer into taking it to the police and saying he was being shaken down.
[05:30]	DaemonFC	They ruled this was "retaliation" against da lobsta and added $2,500 for it.
[05:30]	DaemonFC	So had he just told Lobsta to go pound sand and gone to the hearing, it would have only cost him $965 CAD.
[05:31]	DaemonFC	In actuality, it was a minor dispute and Lobsta got like, less than one week's pay at Walmart in "actual damages" out of it.
[05:32]	DaemonFC	$2,500 was from the employer going to the police and being punished after I'm sure lobsta came off as crazy or threatening.
[05:32]	DaemonFC	But in exchange for this paltry sum of money, Lobsta is now named in a Ontario labor case that comes up on the first couple Google hits.
[05:33]	DaemonFC	So if anyone else is deciding whether to hire "her" they can read the whole thing and realize they'd better not, and then never call back after lobsta puts in an application.
[05:33]	DaemonFC	If you're a potential employer *and* you google the person you're considering hiring *and* see that this person has a history of complaining to the labor board *and* they only usually have a job for about a year or so.....
[05:33]	DaemonFC	Do you just hire someone else and never say why?
[05:33]	DaemonFC	Yup!
[05:34]	DaemonFC	That might have something to do why that was Lobsta's last LinkedIn entry working somewhere instead of saying "self-employed".
[05:35]	schestowitz	"employed" = criminal
[05:35]	schestowitz	"i am a full-time criminal now"
[05:35]	DaemonFC	If they have 20 other people who want a job and then you google all of them and you see this shit.
[05:35]	DaemonFC	Are you going to hire the one that "sued" their last one?
[05:37]	DaemonFC	That's just my opinion.
[05:37]	DaemonFC	I mean, when I was hiring people I didn't ever, once, say why they didn't get the job.
[05:37]	schestowitz	anyway, back on topic, so we're testing the new TT
[05:37]	schestowitz	*TR
[05:37]	DaemonFC	You don't have to. If you ever do, you can say "They weren't the most qualified.".
[05:37]	schestowitz	and so far, so good
[05:38]	schestowitz	we need to leave php behind, it's a never-ending mess
[05:38]	schestowitz	php has a major new release every 203 eyars
[05:38]	schestowitz	and then they "deprecate" loads of things
[05:38]	DaemonFC	Most people who try it out think it's neat until they end up in a quagmire.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	Like Python.
[05:41]	DaemonFC	People are still migrating to 3.x
[05:42]	Sapphirus	DaemonFC, the fact you can pull that up means any employer could. lol
[05:43]	Sapphirus	why would they dox themselves like that on IRC, I wonder?
[05:43]	DaemonFC	Fuck i I know.
[05:43]	DaemonFC	"She" needed money and needed it badly and fast I guess, so what to do?
[05:44]	Sapphirus	there's a price for that
[05:44]	DaemonFC	Oh, I know. "Sue" an employer where you "quit" for three adult dollars.
[05:44]	Sapphirus	$2,500 isn't even enough to survive a month in any major Canadian city
[05:45]	DaemonFC	The labor board also determined "she" was not eligible for termination pay, as "she" claimed.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	Because "she" quit, and was not fired.
[05:45]	Sapphirus	LOL good riddance
[05:45]	DaemonFC	Also, the guy screwed up.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	He called Lobsta an "employee" in some emails.
[05:45]	DaemonFC	So if he hadn't done this or gone to the cops, then Lobsta might not have gotten anything.
[05:46]	Sapphirus	lol $2,500 is not even a slap on the wrist
[05:46]	Sapphirus	it's a rounding error
[05:46]	DaemonFC	Well, Lobsta got the $2,500 because he went to file a police report.
[05:46]	DaemonFC	$965 because of the claim itself.
[05:47]	DaemonFC	The $960 (corrected) was "vacation pay" that would have been earned under I guess Ontario law.
[05:47]	DaemonFC	And would have had to be paid out if Lobsta never used any of it.
[05:48]	Sapphirus	imagine trying to lie about being fired
[05:48]	DaemonFC	They ruled no termination pay because Lobsta quit "to go back to school".
[05:49]	DaemonFC	No public holiday pay because Lobsta didn't keep any records of hours worked during Canadian holidays.
[05:49]	Sapphirus	What else do they lie about, I do wonder?
[05:49]	DaemonFC	Just the vacation pay which was 4% of the total wages earned during the time at that employer.
[05:49]	DaemonFC	And the $2,500 for the guy panicking and going to the cops.
[05:50]	Sapphirus	It's not exactly a trivial thing to lie about
[05:50]	DaemonFC	If Lobsta had kept the work schedules for the three years, then there might have been some holiday money.
[05:50]	Sapphirus	You're either fired or you quit.
[05:51]	DaemonFC	Then after doing this, and having it all end up on Google (result 3-4 I think).
[05:51]	Sapphirus	well, it kind've is, the only inbetween is being laid off..
[05:51]	DaemonFC	Lobsta put that employer down on LinkedIn.
[05:51]	Sapphirus	Probably a bunch of slanderous shit
[05:52]	Sapphirus	and the company will never go after them, because they don't want to be called transphobic.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	Well, whatever Ontario law says, if you are a "trans woman" and a very obvious one, and go into a job interview like that.....
[05:53]	DaemonFC	The interviewer will say "We'll call you."
[05:53]	DaemonFC	So like, it just sets yourself so far back, in reality.
[05:53]	DaemonFC	Because you can never prove that's why they don't call you later.
[05:53]	Sapphirus	But that doesn't stop them from screaming discrimination.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Well here, they can scream it from the top of a mountain (there are no mountains in this state, but you know....).
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Doesn't matter if they can't prove it.
[05:54]	DaemonFC	Like if the interviewer jumps up and says "WE DON'T HIRE PEOPLE LIKE YOU HERE! GET OUT OF HERE!" in front of witnesses?
[05:54]	DaemonFC	But, how many do that?
[05:55]	Sapphirus	none, zilch, zero
[05:55]	DaemonFC	Part of being an interviewer is containing what you think.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	You go in poker faced and pretend to give everyone a chance at the job, even though it's not true.
[05:55]	DaemonFC	That's what the job is.
[05:56]	DaemonFC	You go out there to call people in and EXPECT a three ringed circus and you do NOT say a word about it or break composure.
[05:57]	Sapphirus	You must be a real winner to end up in public record like that
[05:57]	DaemonFC	So like, I went in to interview for a customer service job once, and these two others walked in, and like, one of them was wearing the jeans he mowed the lawn in and suspenders.
[05:58]	DaemonFC	Then another one went in there and slouched over and looked like maybe you know "I'm only here because Probation is making me look for work, but I don't want it."
[05:58]	Sapphirus	It's one thing to make a complaint in good faith..
[05:58]	Sapphirus	a whole other to make up shit and see what sticks
[05:58]	DaemonFC	And then the secretary asked "Can I help you?" and he's like "Lookin' for a job interview..." like in this completely apathetic tone of voice.
[05:58]	DaemonFC	I'm there in a suit and a tie.
[05:59]	DaemonFC	And the CEO of the company interviewed me and shook my hand and asked "When can you start?" I said, "Tomorrow if it's possible." He said, "We start at 9."
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[06:00]	Sapphirus	At least the former you won't be judged harshly in public record for, but the latter.. that is not a guarantee.
[06:00]	DaemonFC	I mean, like, people go in and act like nothing is important. They don't need a job. They don't care what the judge in court does to them.
[06:00]	DaemonFC	Then they're surprised at what happens.
[06:01]	DaemonFC	You go in there, whether you're in deep shit or you're looking for a job and you put your best foot forward and you do not let it look like anything is bothering you.
[06:01]	DaemonFC	If I can do that for 10-20 minutes, anyone can.
[06:01]	DaemonFC	And if you go in there looking like a freak of nature with your ass hanging out of some sweat pants.....
[06:01]	DaemonFC	Well, thanks for getting out of my way.
[06:02]	schestowitz	gemini capsule for new TR is also running now
[06:02]	schestowitz	so TR now has two working gemini capsules
[06:03]	schestowitz	working on style/apperance
[06:03]	schestowitz	anyone has colour preferences? light green? grey on white?
[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[06:52]	schestowitz	working on CSS
[06:52]	schestowitz	launch of new TR new might be as soon as today
[06:52]	schestowitz	we're just beta-testing now
[06:52]	schestowitz	brought back about 180GB of "old" material
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[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[08:06]	DaemonFC	[9/23/23 12:3 am] <schestowitz> anyone has colour preferences? light green? grey on white?
[08:06]	DaemonFC	Well, I usually like old school "terminal colors", but most people probably don't like green screen anymore.
[08:06]	DaemonFC	A nice cerulean blue maybe?
[08:07]	DaemonFC	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerulean
[08:07]	TR Bot	 Cerulean - Wikipedia
[08:12]	lundy	if the text is blue it will look like all links
[08:12]	lundy	but maybe the links will be... what?
[08:13]	lundy	and if it's the background :) hit ctrl-alt-delete to restart your window
[08:13]	schestowitz	links will be blue and purple
[08:13]	lundy	right
[08:15]	schestowitz	still debugging some stuff
[08:18]	DaemonFC	I don't know. If you ask me for colors it'll always be Cerulean. Or neon green.
[08:18]	DaemonFC	:)
[08:18]	DaemonFC	It depends on context.
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:52]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: I'm glad that their attack did not succeed for long.
[08:53]	DaemonFC	How will the broken links be handled?
[08:53]	DaemonFC	Also, how long before Google starts deleting stuff?
[08:58]	schestowitz	Gulag is not a priority
[08:58]	schestowitz	we want to preserve pages properly
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[09:00]	TR News	How To Install Sublime Merge on AlmaLinux 9 https://idroot.us/install-sublime-merge-almalinux-9/
[09:00]	TR Bot	 How To Install Sublime Merge on AlmaLinux 9 - idroot
[09:01]	TR News	How To Install Chkrootkit on AlmaLinux 9 https://idroot.us/install-chkrootkit-almalinux-9/
[09:01]	TR Bot	 How To Install Chkrootkit on AlmaLinux 9 - idroot
[09:01]	TR News	How To Install GlusterFS on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS https://idroot.us/install-glusterfs-ubuntu-22-04/
[09:01]	TR Bot	 How To Install GlusterFS on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS - idroot
[09:04]	DaemonFC	Google would just reindex everything anyway probably.
[09:08]	schestowitz	even if  not, that does not matter
[09:08]	schestowitz	google is overrated
[09:09]	schestowitz	good sites can be read not via third parties
[09:14]	TR News	The Fairphone 5: First Impressions https://www.fairphone.com/en/2023/09/21/the-fairphone-5-first-impressions/
[09:14]	TR Bot	Fairphone 5: First Impressions - Fairphone
[09:14]	DaemonFC	https://forum.manjaro.org/t/call-for-testers-manjaro-unity-community-edition/128201
[09:14]	TR Bot	 [Call for testers] Manjaro Unity Community Edition - QA - Manjaro Linux Forum
[09:14]	DaemonFC	This is interesting.
[09:15]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: I might try this on the old laptop.
[09:15]	DaemonFC	It gives me a chance to see if the community maintained Unity is any good, and learn Manjaro.
[09:16]	DaemonFC	"The packages are still in a separate repo until we got rid of the outdated dependencies like gtk2 and python2 and others."
[09:16]	DaemonFC	GTK2 was better than what's out now.
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:27]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: 
[09:27]	schestowitz	xxxx wrote on 22/09/2023 14:25:
[09:27]	schestowitz	> "Microsoft Larabel" ... I just can't stop laughing :)))))
[09:27]	schestowitz	I used to have a lot of respect for him. That changed in Feb. 2022.
[09:34]	DaemonFC	Who wrote that?
[09:34]	DaemonFC	The comment.
[09:36]	schestowitz	"xxxx" :)
[09:36]	schestowitz	some journalist
[09:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Free Software Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Free_Software_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Free_Software_Leftovers.gmi 
[09:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free Software Leftovers
[09:38]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/today_s_howtos.gmi 
[09:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
[09:38]	TR News	http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/This_week_in_KDE_an_unfrozen_panel_for_NVIDIA_Wayland_users.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/This_week_in_KDE_an_unfrozen_panel_for_NVIDIA_Wayland_users.gmi 
[09:38]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines This week in KDE: an unfrozen panel for NVIDIA Wayland users
[09:40]	TR News	Jan Lukas Gernert: NewsFlash 3.0 https://blogs.gnome.org/jangernert/2023/09/22/newsflash-3-0/
[09:40]	TR Bot	 NewsFlash 3.0 News about Newsflash
[09:40]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: Google says COVID shots are perfectly safe. It also told me to make a left and drive THROUGH Six Flags the other day, so there's that.
[09:40]	DaemonFC	MinceR: ^
[09:45]	DaemonFC	The COVID itself racked me pretty bad. Lots and lots of "vaccines" just to get that.
[09:50]	schestowitz	i see
[09:50]	schestowitz	let me tell you a story
[09:50]	schestowitz	i know someone who got covid this past week
[09:50]	schestowitz	she sheek it off within 36 hours
[09:50]	schestowitz	*shook
[09:51]	schestowitz	and suffered only mild discomfort, worked throughout
[09:51]	schestowitz	that someone had not participated in experients
[09:51]	schestowitz	anyway, Gulag Inc. is not a tech company per se
[09:51]	schestowitz	it's also a political entity
[09:52]	schestowitz	https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/
[09:52]	TR Bot	 Julian Assange - Google Is Not What It Seems
[09:53]	schestowitz	i'm back to css hacking
[09:53]	schestowitz	for the new site
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[10:04]	eidolon	Something like Dark Sea Green is nice for accenting borders etc. #8FBC8F
[10:05]	eidolon	Or some green, Celadon, some chartreuse shade.
[10:13]	eidolon	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peridot
[10:13]	TR Bot	 Peridot - Wikipedia
[10:16]	eidolon	I usually go for some green though not really the phosphorescent.
[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[10:23]	eidolon	https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2023/09/how-boeing-used-fortnites-game-engine-test-out-new-b-52-engines/390566/
[10:23]	TR Bot	( status 403 @ https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2023/09/how-boeing-used-fortnites-game-engine-test-out-new-b-52-engines/390566/ )
[10:57]	schestowitz	they lowered QC
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[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[12:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[13:54]	TR News	Google Flat-Out Refuses to Bargain With Workers, Prompting YouTube Music Strike https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/k7zn5y/google-flat-out-refuses-to-bargain-with-workers-prompting-youtube-music-strike
[13:54]	TR Bot	 Google Flat-Out Refuses to Bargain With Workers, Prompting YouTube Music Strike
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[14:07]		*MinceR gives voice to eidolon darwin
[14:09]	TR News	Russell Brand Content Is Getting Deactivated on Spotify, Too https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/09/19/russell-brand-content-is-deactivated-on-spotify/
[14:09]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/09/19/russell-brand-content-is-deactivated-on-spotify/ )
[14:10]	TR News	YouTube Demonetizes Russell Brands Channel Following Sexual Assault Allegations https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/09/19/youtube-demonetizes-russell-brand-channel/
[14:10]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/09/19/youtube-demonetizes-russell-brand-channel/ )
[14:10]	TR News	Twitter Continues to Show Ads on Russell Brand Posts After Musk Support https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v7byn8/twitter-continues-to-show-ads-on-russell-brand-posts-after-musk-support
[14:10]	TR Bot	 Twitter Continues to Show Ads on Russell Brand Posts After Musk Support
[14:11]	TR News	DISCUSS: The Russell Brand Investigation https://off-guardian.org/2023/09/18/discuss-the-russell-brand-investigation/
[14:11]	TR Bot	 DISCUSS: The Russell Brand Investigation OffGuardian
[14:11]	TR News	GB News impartiality undermined by Bev Turner support for Russell Brand, MP warns https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/gb-news-bev-turner-russell-brand-dan-wootton/
[14:11]	TR Bot	 GB News 'impartiality threat' from Bev Turner's Russell Brand defence
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[14:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[14:50]	schestowitz	We're nearly live now https://techrights.org/irc.shtml
[14:50]	TR Bot	 IRC and Techrights
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[15:01]		*MinceR gives voice to jacobk
[15:05]	TR News	China resurrects old charges of NSA breaking into Huawei servers https://itwire.com/security/china-resurrects-old-charges-of-nsa-breaking-into-huawei-servers.html
[15:05]	TR Bot	- China resurrects old charges of NSA breaking into Huawei servers
[15:07]	TR News	HMD, the company making Nokia smartphones is looking to make its own devices https://www.techzim.co.zw/2023/09/hmd-the-company-making-nokia-smartphones-is-looking-to-make-its-own-devices/
[15:07]	TR Bot	 HMD, the company making Nokia smartphones is looking to make its own devices - Techzim
[15:11]	TR News	Regional hospitals prepare for influx of Covid patients https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/health/21.09.2023-regional-hospitals-prepare-for-influx-of-covid-patients.a524766/
[15:11]	TR Bot	 Regional hospitals prepare for influx of Covid patients / Article
[15:13]	TR News	Jonathan Carter: DebConf23 https://jonathancarter.org/2023/09/21/debconf23/
[15:13]	TR Bot	 DebConf23 Jonathan Carter
[15:15]	TR News	Jonathan McDowell: DebConf23 Writeup https://www.earth.li/~noodles/blog/2023/09/debconf23-writeup.html
[15:15]	TR Bot	 DebConf23 Writeup | Noodles Emptiness
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[15:21]	TR News	Fedora Community Blog: CPE at Flock 2023 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-at-flock-2023/
[15:21]	TR Bot	 CPE at Flock 2023 Fedora Community Blog
[15:25]		*MinceR gives voice to freelife
[15:27]	TR News	 (NEW): Qualcomm 10G Fiber Gateway Platform supports Wi-Fi 7 and Service Defined Wi-Fi technology http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Qualcomm_10G_Fiber_Gateway_Platform_supports_Wi_Fi_7_and_Servic.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Qualcomm_10G_Fiber_Gateway_Platform_supports_Wi_Fi_7_and_Servic.gmi 
[15:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Qualcomm 10G Fiber Gateway Platform supports Wi-Fi 7 and Service Defined Wi-Fi technology
[15:27]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[15:27]	TR News	 (NEW): Stable kernels: Linux 6.5.5, Linux 6.1.55, Linux 5.15.133, Linux 5.10.197, Linux 5.4.257, Linux 4.19.295, and Linux 4.14.326 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Stable_kernels_Linux_6_5_5_Linux_6_1_55_Linux_5_15_133_Linux_5_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Stable_kernels_Linux_6_5_5_Linux_6_1_55_Linux_5_15_133_Linux_5_.gmi 
[15:27]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Stable kernels: Linux 6.5.5, Linux 6.1.55, Linux 5.15.133, Linux 5.10.197, Linux 5.4.257, Linux 4.19.295, and Linux 4.14.326
[15:43]	TR News	How to Mount an NTFS Partition https://linuxnightly.com/mount-ntfs-partition/
[15:44]	TR Bot	 How to Mount an NTFS Partition - Linux Nightly
[15:44]	TR News	Forcing Installation of Held-Back Packages in Ubuntu/Debian https://linuxconfig.org/forcing-installation-of-held-back-packages-in-ubuntu-debian
[15:44]	TR Bot	 Forcing Installation of Held-Back Packages in Ubuntu/Debian - Linux Tutorials - Learn Linux Configuration
[15:44]	TR News	Switching to Firefoxs Deb Installation on Ubuntu 22.04+: A Guide to Avoiding Snap Packages https://linuxconfig.org/switching-to-firefoxs-deb-installation-on-ubuntu-22-04-a-guide-to-avoiding-snap-packages
[15:44]	TR Bot	 Switching to Firefox's Deb Installation on Ubuntu 22.04+: A Guide to Avoiding Snap Packages - Linux Tutorials - Learn Linux Configuration
[15:59]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[15:59]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[15:59]	TR News	 (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/23/today_s_howtos.1.gmi 
[15:59]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines today's howtos
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[16:06]	TR News	Techrights A Short History of Content Management Systems or Data Shuffles in Boycott Novell and Techrights http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/23/A_Short_History_of_Content_Management_Systems_or_Data_Shuffles_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/23/A_Short_History_of_Content_Management_Systems_or_Data_Shuffles_.gmi 
[16:06]	TR Bot	 Techrights A Short History of Content Management Systems or Data Shuffles in Boycott Novell and Techrights
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[16:07]	TR News	Techrights YouTube Was Never Free Hosting and It Turns Hard-Working People Into Hostages http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/23/YouTube_Was_Never_Free_Hosting_and_It_Turns_Hard_Working_People.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/23/YouTube_Was_Never_Free_Hosting_and_It_Turns_Hard_Working_People.gmi 
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[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
● Sep 23
[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[18:33]	admfubar	https://www.ghacks.net/2023/09/23/mozilla-is-renaming-firefox-accounts-to-mozilla-accounts/
[18:33]	TR Bot	 Mozilla is renaming Firefox accounts to Mozilla accounts - gHacks Tech News
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[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[19:43]	sharkey	schestowitz: i found out about techrights because of the gemini capsule and i have to hand it to you on the new web design, its fantastic
[19:43]	sharkey	works great in lynx
[19:44]	sharkey	not a lot of "modern" sites work well on my 486
● Sep 23
[20:00]	DaemonFC	Adult Swim ruined Rick & Morty by getting rid of Justin Roiland.
[20:00]	DaemonFC	Everything he was accused of fell apart so the government came back with different allegations.
[20:01]	DaemonFC	Their goal is obviously to taint the jury so that he can't get a fair trial.
[20:01]	DaemonFC	Speaking of being deplatformed by YouTube before it's clear you've done anything wrong.
[20:03]	DaemonFC	That's how Prosecutors are when they hate you, you know. You defeat one set of charges so they come back with something more "awful". It's like, they'll just keep throwing things at you until they get you for something. You don't win this.
[20:04]	DaemonFC	Sometimes it does go the other way. They admit the whole time that they either knew you were innocent of what they accused you of or they could never prove it and the only reason they ever charged it was to blackmail you.
[20:05]	DaemonFC	They said that to the judge. They said , "It was a weak case and we could have never proved it. We're glad we got anything."
[20:05]	DaemonFC	And my mouth dropped.
[20:11]	eidolon	Or there *was* evidence that proved the charge(s) beyond reasonable doubt, but it was thrown out / inadmissable.
[20:12]	eidolon	The defence plays this game too.
[20:13]	DaemonFC	Well, court is a battering ram.
[20:14]	DaemonFC	The prosecutor is there to do egregious things with an unlimited budget of money they stole from other people to go after you.
[20:14]	DaemonFC	And they will keep coming up with shit until you can't afford to defend yourself anymore.
[20:15]	DaemonFC	Or you'll just start out with a public defender that they barely pay.
[20:15]	DaemonFC	So then you're in trial, technically with a lawyer, but one without any reason to notice discrepancies in the prosecutor's tactics.
[20:17]	DaemonFC	The public defender is only there to make sure that everything they convict you of sticks because you can't argue no assistance of counsel.
[20:17]	DaemonFC	That's grounds for a new trial, but it's very rare it ever happens.
[20:17]	DaemonFC	Your lawyer has to do something so incompetent that it could actually get him in trouble with the bar association.
[20:18]	DaemonFC	Out of thousands and thousands of lawyers in Chicago, maybe 4-6 get in trouble with the bar association each year.
[20:18]	DaemonFC	It's a tribunal of lawyers deciding things about other lawyers.
[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[20:21]	DaemonFC	So "Has this lawyer ever been in trouble with the bar?" is almost a joke.
[20:21]	DaemonFC	If they have, it means they did something outright criminal, themselves, and got caught, usually.
[20:22]	DaemonFC	It was so bad that they and other lawyers couldn't cover it up.
[20:22]	DaemonFC	And now they have to act.
[20:23]	DaemonFC	Usually, the lawyers who get pinched by the bar association handle civil law.
[20:23]	DaemonFC	The majority of them are handling Social Security, Divorce, and Immigration.
[20:24]	DaemonFC	So as you can imagine this is stuff like bribing Social Security judges, stealing money from the disabled, committing fraud against USCIS, and sleeping with their divorce clients or arranging to have the husband killed or something.
[20:25]	DaemonFC	There are a lot of really unscrupulous lawyers because they no longer see things as right and wrong.
[20:27]	DaemonFC	Florida has a system now where the public votes on the public defender.
[20:27]	DaemonFC	The implication being that if he wins too many cases for indigent defendants, the voters will throw him out for doing his job.
[20:28]	DaemonFC	It's another backstop against even the possibility that poor people can have their day in court and win.
[20:34]	DaemonFC	Never forget people actually did this.
[20:35]	DaemonFC	https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/05/14/moos-plastic-hugs-quarantine-coronavirus-ebof-pkg-vpx.cnn
[20:35]	TR Bot	 Mother makes 'Hug Time' contraption so kids can hug their great-grandmother | CNN
[20:35]	DaemonFC	Meanwhile, schestowitz-pi floats too.
[20:35]	DaemonFC	We all float down here, Roy.
[20:36]	DaemonFC	COVID gets everyone eventually.
[20:36]	DaemonFC	There's only so long you can avoid it.
[20:37]	DaemonFC	It got into North Korea despite Kim Jong Un locking the country down hard and causing tens of thousands more people to starve.
[20:38]	DaemonFC	Some of why North Korea isn't doing any better is international sanctions, but a lot of it is that keeping people where they are now fits the regime just fine.
[20:38]	eidolon	Oh, a reboot of the David Vetter 'bubble boy' story.
[20:38]	DaemonFC	They could increase relations with other countries that the US and Europe are not friendly with.
[20:39]	eidolon	The card says MOOPS!
[20:39]	DaemonFC	https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/this-hug-glove-will-help-spread-the-love-but-not-the-coronavirus-1.4937811
[20:39]	TR Bot	 Hug glove: Ont. Family invents device to hug grandma while physically distant | CTV News
[20:39]	DaemonFC	There ain't no love if there ain't no glove. Canada edition.
[20:40]	eidolon	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Ia02fGpUQfU
[20:40]	TR Bot	 Seinfeld - Moops! - Invidious
[20:40]	DaemonFC	Sapphirus gets to experience Hoovervilles, I believe, in Canada now.
[20:41]	DaemonFC	Canada, I don't believe, ever had much trouble with tent cities because they housed their homeless somewhere and it was manageable because they didn't have 2-3 million pouring through a border every year like the US does.
[20:42]	DaemonFC	If all the US ever had to deal with was finding homes and work for the organic American homeless population, it would be very very easy.
[20:42]	DaemonFC	You go out on the streets in Chicago now, and the tent cities, what are they?
[20:43]	DaemonFC	For every 10 you see out there 1 is white, a few are black, what are the rest of them?
[20:43]	DaemonFC	Not even from here.
[20:43]	DaemonFC	So we've at least doubled the homeless problem, in Chicago, with the illegal immigration, and mind you....
[20:43]	DaemonFC	This is after the state puts up the illegals in $300 a night hotel rooms that Americans don't get.
[20:44]	DaemonFC	If they emptied out the hotels it would be the Model UN, homeless camp edition.
[20:44]	DaemonFC	You're better off, if you can get away with it, speaking another language and pretending you came here illegally.
[20:45]	DaemonFC	Then they will find you a hotel room, food, and a toiletries kit.
[20:45]	DaemonFC	They are forcing Americans to watch this and wondering why we're so pissed.
[20:46]	DaemonFC	So between the COVID Authoritarianism and "We will feed and house people who snuck into the country from Cameroon, but don't ask your own government for food." People are NOT happy.
[20:47]	DaemonFC	J.B. Pritzker only has one strategy for staying in office at this point.
[20:47]	DaemonFC	His last campaign was like Steve Ballmer's "Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers!" only with abortion.
[20:48]	DaemonFC	They want him to run for President.
[20:49]	DaemonFC	A can't see how a $4 billion hotel heir would be worse than a guy who has never done anything except "Senator from Delaware". At least Pritzker wouldn't fail a mini mental I suppose.
[20:50]	DaemonFC	My mother gives mini mentals to residents where she works. She said the ones who don't know what year it is recite the three words just find.
[20:50]	DaemonFC	*fine
[20:51]	DaemonFC	They've been the same three words for so long that everything else in their mind is gone except the words they're supposed to repeat back for reports to the doctors.
[20:53]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-pi: Should have used the Hug Condom for your mother.
[20:53]	DaemonFC	https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/covid-19-coronavirus-girl-creates-plastic-hug-curtain-for-her-grandparents/UFS6ATEJUJBBJX7NJOCU4YU4ZA/
[20:53]	TR Bot	 Covid 19 coronavirus: Girl creates plastic 'hug curtain' for her grandparents - NZ Herald
[20:53]	DaemonFC	MinceR: ^
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● Sep 23
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[21:08]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogwgq7JsRtE
[21:08]	TR Bot	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Ogwgq7JsRtE
[21:08]	TR Bot	yewtu.be | Hugs! yugioh Abridged Melvin'd quotes - Invidious
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[21:14]	sharkey	i can't wait until the web gets replaced by gemini
[21:15]	admfubar	but then gemini will get webby-fied
[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:27]	sharkey	if i can get another decade out of my 486 i would be happy
[21:30]	lundy	its a dx2 you can probably get another 30 years out of it
[21:30]	lundy	but in that time you could replace it with homemade cpus
[21:34]	lundy	to run something with the processing power of a dx2 today would use way less wattage
[21:34]	lundy	no backdoors is a feature obviously
[21:35]	lundy	thats why backdoors should be closed 
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[21:39]	lundy	if i can buy a cpu without one that would be better
[21:40]	lundy	intel and ibm suck whether its dx2 or skylake, skylake just sucks more
[21:43]	lundy	industry goes from bad to worse, the only way to go forward is to fight the industry. but retrocomputing is cool too
[21:44]	lundy	it gives people a glimpse of what we could have if we werent bending over all the time
[21:44]	lundy	hold your cheeks open for another update!
● Sep 23
[22:12]	psydruid	the gap between what people need and what is being sold is also widening
[22:13]	psydruid	it doesn't even look like the latest hardware is meant for anyone
[22:13]	lundy	definitely
[22:13]	lundy	youre being sold what companies want you to have
[22:13]	lundy	a tv in every room
[22:14]	lundy	tv watches you
[22:18]	lundy	tv tells you what you want to see
[22:19]	lundy	i picked up my tv one time and more little tv sets fell out of it
[22:19]	lundy	i plugged one in and it was all commercials
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[22:21]	lundy	billboards are turning into televisions
[22:21]	lundy	trucks have televisions on the side
[22:22]	lundy	its as much like brave new world as 1984
[22:22]	lundy	we should install doom on all of them
[22:25]	sharkey	lundy -its a DX4-100
[22:26]	lundy	ok
[22:26]	sharkey	i can listen to mp3s but i need to downsample to 64k
[22:27]	lundy	ive totally gotten mp3s at 90-128 to play on a dx4 with dos
[22:27]	sharkey	its less of a burden to just listen to the radio or use my cd player
[22:27]	lundy	but it was a SWEET player
[22:27]	lundy	faster than anything ive seen since
[22:27]	sharkey	thats dos
[22:27]	lundy	yeah
[22:28]	lundy	linux has more overhead
[22:28]	sharkey	netbsd has a bit more overhead
[22:28]	lundy	dos is closer to the hw
[22:28]	lundy	not always better but for this one thing, faster
[22:28]	sharkey	linux shit is too bloated for this machine
[22:28]	lundy	linux has a lizard kernel and a feline kernel and a monkey kernel 
[22:29]	lundy	its got layers
[22:29]	lundy	like the human brain
[22:29]	lundy	its a monolithic kernel built on a microkernel
[22:30]	lundy	constantly taping new things onto itself like vger in the star trek film
[22:30]	lundy	or so ive heard
[22:30]	sharkey	lol
[22:32]	lundy	i dont really know anything about the linux kernel
[22:32]	lundy	neither does linus sadly
[22:33]	lundy	its gregux now
[22:33]	lundy	"i am announcing the 6.5 kernel. the 3.8 kernel will self destruct in 10 minutes. love, greg-kh"
[22:34]	lundy	reminds me of apple
[22:34]	lundy	linux update slows down everything to use less battery
[22:34]	lundy	no mention of it in the announcements
[22:35]	lundy	linux: youre holding it wrong
[22:47]	Sapphirus	DaemonFC, it's true. Tent cities are *everywhere*
[22:48]	Sapphirus	Even slums being built in Toronto
[22:48]	Sapphirus	Political class in this country are shameless
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● Sep 23
[23:19]	psydruid	linux will be replaced like it replaced everything that came before
[23:19]	sharkey	i knew when "pentium" came out that things were becoming a scam
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-22.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-23.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[23:20]	psydruid	Pentium 200 MMX was my first 32-bit x86 processor
[23:21]	sharkey	my first 32-bit was a 386 SX-16mhz
[23:23]	psydruid	I was probably still in kindergarten when that came out
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[23:29]	sharkey	you sound young
[23:30]	sharkey	i remember when the y2k scam was being pushed to get people to "upgrade" their hardware
[23:30]		*MinceR gives voice to eidolon
[23:30]	sharkey	my 486 has no problems with four digit years
[23:42]	psydruid	I had a summer job creating an inventory of all equipment for dealing with the y2k "problem"
[23:43]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi30ZSbdTiE
[23:43]	TR Bot	https://invidious.projectsegfau.lt/watch?v=Zi30ZSbdTiE
[23:43]	TR Bot	invidious.projectsegfau.lt | Incredibly cute tabby cat thanks me for food - Invidious
[23:43]	eidolon	Nice new techrights rss/webdump https://0x0.st/HV-C.png
[23:43]	eidolon	:)
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[23:58]	schestowitz	eidolon: glad you like it
[23:58]	schestowitz	a lot of work remains in the migration
[23:58]	schestowitz	esp. restoring old pages and fixing some pipelines
[23:59]	schestowitz	the bulletins assume the old article layout