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| oiaohm | XFaCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Entertainment_Studios I would not say Disney is the Microsoft of entertainment studios thinking that Microsoft has tried to be a Entertainment Studio a few times and flopped. | Oct 23 03:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16318349 | Oct 23 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@aprekates@diasp.eu: From a proud smear article against #rms from #fossforce fossforce.com/2019/09/yesterdays-man-the-fall-of-richard-stallman/ > Stallman is rumored to be on the autism spectrum, and from the way he has acted, I could easily believe that. To suggest that a young woman would willingly engage in prostitution suggests a fundamental lack of understanding of human nature, to say nothing of the dynamics of power b ... | Oct 23 09:44 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> schwitzsplinters.blogspot.com | The Splintered Mind: The Emotional Psychology of Lynching | Oct 23 09:44 | |
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| kaniini | ok | Oct 23 11:13 |
| kaniini | i'm trying to bite my tongue but | Oct 23 11:13 |
| kaniini | schestowitz if you think it's 'open source' people with the aspergers line for RMS, you're wrong | Oct 23 11:13 |
| kaniini | it's actually 4chan | Oct 23 11:13 |
| schestowitz | no, I saw examples | Oct 23 11:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe you think I over-generalise | Oct 23 11:14 |
| kaniini | it is the "free speech" crowd in the 4chan and related communities who are really pushing that narrative | Oct 23 11:14 |
| schestowitz | I'm talking about the likes of Phipps and Byfield | Oct 23 11:14 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what Perens would say | Oct 23 11:14 |
| kaniini | maybe they jumped onto it | Oct 23 11:14 |
| schestowitz | I assume I know his 'condition' | Oct 23 11:14 |
| schestowitz | I think Wikileaks and Snowden lawyer Jesselyn Raddack has the same, | Oct 23 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Palsy maybe? | Oct 23 11:14 |
| kaniini | it is ESR who have cerebral palsy | Oct 23 11:15 |
| schestowitz | and if Perens became FSF President | Oct 23 11:15 |
| schestowitz | and if FSF made a difference | Oct 23 11:15 |
| schestowitz | people would use that too behind his back | Oct 23 11:15 |
| kaniini | if Bruce Perens wanted to be FSF president, i would support that | Oct 23 11:15 |
| schestowitz | ESR I know about, he's not denying it | Oct 23 11:15 |
| kaniini | but Bruce Perens does not have any condition | Oct 23 11:15 |
| schestowitz | kaniini: same | Oct 23 11:15 |
| schestowitz | he or Moglen | Oct 23 11:15 |
| kaniini | no, not moglen | Oct 23 11:15 |
| schestowitz | he confronted sfc over trademarks | Oct 23 11:16 |
| schestowitz | and the person who attacks torvalds and rms says Moglen is no friend of FS | Oct 23 11:16 |
| schestowitz | As if he himself (Garrett) is... | Oct 23 11:16 |
| kaniini | i think all of the people mentioned are friends of FS and are being tribalistic | Oct 23 11:16 |
| kaniini | it is a shame | Oct 23 11:17 |
| kaniini | i am sad to see it, it is depressing | Oct 23 11:17 |
| schestowitz | that's freedom | Oct 23 11:17 |
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| kaniini | i think there's a lot of frustration and there has been for a long time | Oct 23 11:17 |
| schestowitz | I think we've done rather well, in terms of inclusion | Oct 23 11:18 |
| schestowitz | in aspects ranging from views to 'tribes' | Oct 23 11:19 |
| kaniini | i think we have done okay, but could stand to do better | Oct 23 11:19 |
| schestowitz | 12 years ago we published a leak about Microsoft using tribalism against us | Oct 23 11:19 |
| schestowitz | e.g. bsd against the gnu people | Oct 23 11:19 |
| schestowitz | they said it in their own internal docs | Oct 23 11:19 |
| kaniini | as somebody who has cyclical depression and generalized anxiety disorder, i have seen lots of behaviour that i do not think is great though | Oct 23 11:19 |
| kaniini | i do not contribute to the linux kernel because frankly linus makes me quite anxious | Oct 23 11:20 |
| kaniini | and if you are a GNU maintainer, well, RMS may show up one day and start micromanaging it | Oct 23 11:20 |
| schestowitz | who does better | Oct 23 11:21 |
| schestowitz | ? | Oct 23 11:21 |
| kaniini | things were not rosy and then "SJWs" showed up and ruined it | Oct 23 11:21 |
| schestowitz | (remember people hate their boss, iirc, 90% of the time | Oct 23 11:21 |
| kaniini | i would say a maintainer is best qualified to maintain their project | Oct 23 11:21 |
| kaniini | RMS is not their boss | Oct 23 11:21 |
| kaniini | a boss pays you for your labor | Oct 23 11:21 |
| schestowitz | (in asia people hate their job a lot more than elsewhere, I can't remember the polls and pollsters) | Oct 23 11:21 |
| kaniini | in general, neither RMS nor FSF pay any of the GNU maintainers | Oct 23 11:21 |
| schestowitz | you still need to manage projects somehow | Oct 23 11:21 |
| schestowitz | and you might not like who manages t hese | Oct 23 11:22 |
| kaniini | you need a leader with a vision, sure | Oct 23 11:22 |
| schestowitz | I had my ups and downs with Matt Mullenweg over the years | Oct 23 11:22 |
| kaniini | but a leader with a vision does not micromanage | Oct 23 11:22 |
| kaniini | they rally their troops and keep them motivated | Oct 23 11:22 |
| kaniini | they do not show up and demand that a shitty joke about abortion be kept in a manual over the wishes of the active maintainers | Oct 23 11:23 |
| kaniini | autonomy of the maintainer is critical for preservation of software freedom | Oct 23 11:23 |
| kaniini | in fact, the "if you don't like it, fork" aspect is the critical protection for the maintainer's autonomy | Oct 23 11:23 |
| kaniini | in two ways. | Oct 23 11:23 |
| kaniini | 1) if the people do not like the work of the maintainer, they can fork | Oct 23 11:24 |
| kaniini | 2) if the maintainer does not like his boss, they can fork | Oct 23 11:24 |
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| kaniini | RMS is also baited by 4chan on several topics. for example, this whole https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html thing got kicked off from bating by 4chan. | Oct 23 11:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Better Genderless Pronouns in English | Oct 23 11:25 | |
| kaniini | they literally email him about the most crackpot bullshit imaginable | Oct 23 11:26 |
| kaniini | and he will literally write articles about some of it | Oct 23 11:26 |
| kaniini | if i was FSF i would not be happy about that | Oct 23 11:26 |
| kaniini | or a GNU maintainer | Oct 23 11:26 |
| schestowitz | I hardly get the whole pronouns thing | Oct 23 11:27 |
| schestowitz | I know the basic | Oct 23 11:27 |
| schestowitz | I think we've got bigger issues | Oct 23 11:27 |
| kaniini | that's my point | Oct 23 11:27 |
| schestowitz | in Python they complained even about slave/master | Oct 23 11:27 |
| kaniini | what value does a leader who gets duped into doing things that contribute no cause to the big issues | Oct 23 11:27 |
| kaniini | bring to the table | Oct 23 11:27 |
| schestowitz | as if python has to put energy in mailing lists because of every little aspect | Oct 23 11:27 |
| schestowitz | it distracts and can derails projects | Oct 23 11:27 |
| schestowitz | *derail | Oct 23 11:27 |
| kaniini | and i know for a fact that people in FSF have begged RMS to stop answering emails from random 4chan crackpots | Oct 23 11:28 |
| schestowitz | he can do what he wants | Oct 23 11:28 |
| kaniini | he can, but | Oct 23 11:28 |
| schestowitz | (with respect) | Oct 23 11:28 |
| kaniini | when he does this stuff, it is demotivating to the troops | Oct 23 11:28 |
| kaniini | because you see somebody being duped again and again into pursuing distractions | Oct 23 11:29 |
| XFaCE | Contributor Covenant exacerbated these issues. | Oct 23 11:29 |
| kaniini | instead of being focused on the goal line | Oct 23 11:29 |
| kaniini | yes, contributor covenant itself is a mostly harmless document | Oct 23 11:29 |
| kaniini | that has been turned into a third rail issue by 4chan and the people who want to fight 4chan | Oct 23 11:29 |
| kaniini | do i agree with CoCs as being a magical tool for improving communities? no, i don't really | Oct 23 11:31 |
| kaniini | what matters is how a community is actually managed | Oct 23 11:31 |
| kaniini | but, people say absolutely vile things about coraline | Oct 23 11:31 |
| kaniini | meanwhile executives at SAP and intellectual ventures are sitting around | Oct 23 11:31 |
| kaniini | laughing their asses off at us | Oct 23 11:31 |
| kaniini | because we're getting owned by fucking trolls | Oct 23 11:32 |
| kaniini | and turning on our own based on what trolls say | Oct 23 11:32 |
| kaniini | and letting ourselves get divided and martyr people | Oct 23 11:32 |
| kaniini | both sides of this RMS thing are heating an already extremely stressful situation into one that will cause burnout | Oct 23 11:33 |
| kaniini | you *and* mjg59 | Oct 23 11:33 |
| kaniini | everyone who is sitting here fighting this out are letting their emotions betray them, and software freedom is what is going to pay the price for this indiscretion | Oct 23 11:34 |
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| kaniini | debate this all you want, if you want, but realize that ultimately, you are doing what the IP trolls, SAP and perhaps even Microsoft, want you to do | Oct 23 11:35 |
| kaniini | RMS is not God. if you place him on that pedestal, he may bring everything burning down | Oct 23 11:36 |
| schestowitz | So we agree RMS need to reply to fewer people | Oct 23 11:36 |
| schestowitz | here's a story for you | Oct 23 11:36 |
| schestowitz | over a decade ago a not-so-nice person write to me | Oct 23 11:36 |
| schestowitz | I responded | Oct 23 11:36 |
| schestowitz | and it then became a "scandal" | Oct 23 11:36 |
| kaniini | i think RMS needs to take a break | Oct 23 11:37 |
| kaniini | do some soul searching | Oct 23 11:37 |
| schestowitz | because me "Responding" was "proof" we were "connected" | Oct 23 11:37 |
| kaniini | ground himself | Oct 23 11:37 |
| kaniini | get his mind focused back on the fight that matters | Oct 23 11:37 |
| schestowitz | and LaPorte on TwiT TV actyakky sided me on it, unlike idiot Jono Bacon | Oct 23 11:37 |
| kaniini | nobody cares what RMS thinks about sex or pronouns | Oct 23 11:37 |
| schestowitz | [11:37] <kaniini> do some soul searching | Oct 23 11:37 |
| schestowitz | dude, he's like 70 | Oct 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Linus can take a break | Oct 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | RMS would rot if he took a break | Oct 23 11:38 |
| kaniini | yeah, i know he's 70 | Oct 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | like Arsene Wenger | Oct 23 11:38 |
| kaniini | that's true | Oct 23 11:38 |
| kaniini | but my point is | Oct 23 11:38 |
| kaniini | he needs to find his passion | Oct 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | At this age, one you retire temporarily, that's it | Oct 23 11:38 |
| kaniini | i think he is in search of something to be passionate about | Oct 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | he's not in good health, either | Oct 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | he's passionate about gnu, that's all he know | Oct 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | which is why he's good at it | Oct 23 11:39 |
| kaniini | is he? | Oct 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | starting afresh with something like birdwatching would be fruitless | Oct 23 11:39 |
| kaniini | not birdwatching | Oct 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | GNU power the world, the Web | Oct 23 11:39 |
| kaniini | what i mean is | Oct 23 11:39 |
| kaniini | he should take a step back | Oct 23 11:39 |
| kaniini | really analyze everything | Oct 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | so obviously, from a historical perspective, he did well | Oct 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | one might say better than all the BSDs | Oct 23 11:40 |
| kaniini | and then come back fighting hard | Oct 23 11:40 |
| schestowitz | they're even more notorious for rudeness, esp. openbsd | Oct 23 11:40 |
| kaniini | netbsd are not rude | Oct 23 11:40 |
| kaniini | dragonflybsd folks are also quite nice | Oct 23 11:40 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 23 11:40 |
| schestowitz | elitism is some bsds shows gnu is much kinder | Oct 23 11:40 |
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| kaniini | i probably would not be very good at coding had i not befriended many BSD folks | Oct 23 11:41 |
| kaniini | there are jerks in the BSD world, but there are also a lot of passionate people who just want to teach people what they know | Oct 23 11:42 |
| kaniini | i guess what i am saying is | Oct 23 11:42 |
| kaniini | the free software movement needs a reset | Oct 23 11:42 |
| kaniini | RMS needs a reset, too | Oct 23 11:42 |
| schestowitz | reset is no good | Oct 23 11:42 |
| schestowitz | it did torvalds no good, either | Oct 23 11:43 |
| schestowitz | it just made him marginalised and quiet | Oct 23 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | (which is why the big companies wanted) | Oct 23 11:43 |
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| kaniini | well | Oct 23 11:43 |
| kaniini | i mean | Oct 23 11:43 |
| kaniini | i don't know what the answer is for RMS | Oct 23 11:43 |
| kaniini | i don't even know what all of this means for GNU | Oct 23 11:43 |
| schestowitz | like zoobab and pieter put it" leave BIG software to BIG BUSINESS" | Oct 23 11:43 |
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| schestowitz | They want to turn all these volunteer-made things just another corporate asset | Oct 23 11:44 |
| kaniini | but what i do know is | Oct 23 11:44 |
| kaniini | people don't want RMS coming in and micromanaging their project | Oct 23 11:44 |
| schestowitz | GNU goes on | Oct 23 11:44 |
| schestowitz | many gnu releases over the past month | Oct 23 11:44 |
| kaniini | i think you are going to see a lot of maintainers start to "fork out" of GNU if he starts doing that | Oct 23 11:44 |
| schestowitz | far more than letters and petitions from the same bunch of people | Oct 23 11:44 |
| kaniini | some of the people you deride, i mentored when they were younger | Oct 23 11:45 |
| kaniini | so please be nice to them for being idealistic :) | Oct 23 11:45 |
| kaniini | the challenge for GNU is finding a balance between RMS being able to do something he finds meaningful and maintainer autonomy | Oct 23 11:46 |
| kaniini | GNU only works if there is maintainer autonomy | Oct 23 11:46 |
| kaniini | the releases you see coming out of GNU are because those maintainers are able to just maintain their projects | Oct 23 11:46 |
| kaniini | stuff like emacs, glibc and so on, it's not so simple | Oct 23 11:47 |
| kaniini | and, i am proud of the people i mentored who signed that petition. they maintain useful software and they give their all for software freedom. | Oct 23 11:48 |
| schestowitz | I know only some of them | Oct 23 11:50 |
| schestowitz | I met Matt once | Oct 23 11:50 |
| schestowitz | My view of him is a lot more positive than what I hear from others | Oct 23 11:51 |
| kaniini | ultimately my view is that this is all a distraction created by agitators who want free software advocates and contributors to spend their time beating a dead horse | Oct 23 12:00 |
| schestowitz | it's hardly a new problem | Oct 23 12:00 |
| kaniini | the motives of such agitators is unknown, but the primary beneficiary of a work stoppage in free software are the entities competing with free software | Oct 23 12:01 |
| kaniini | that these agitators are applying pressure to fire up the BSD vs GNU flame fest again should be seen as supporting evidence | Oct 23 12:01 |
| kaniini | personally, i don't want to play anymore, we all have actual work to do | Oct 23 12:01 |
| kaniini | if the maintainers who do not wish to work in the same project are serious about that, they will fork their projects out of GNU like GNOME did years ago | Oct 23 12:02 |
| kaniini | thiss does raise a question though | Oct 23 12:04 |
| kaniini | what happens to GNU if everyone quits | Oct 23 12:04 |
| kaniini | what of RMS mental health then? | Oct 23 12:04 |
| kaniini | there are 400 maintainers or so of GNU projects at present. it is not impossible that 200 of them could up and quit if this flamewar keeps going | Oct 23 12:05 |
| kaniini | some people look up to you, others look up to mjg59 | Oct 23 12:06 |
| kaniini | you have a responsibility imo to de-escalate this | Oct 23 12:06 |
| kaniini | (hopefully nobody looks up to me, i don't want to be a politician) | Oct 23 12:06 |
| schestowitz | mjg59 was never FS to me | Oct 23 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Look at his employment history | Oct 23 12:08 |
| schestowitz | I was not happy when FSF gave him an award, either | Oct 23 12:08 |
| kaniini | what does employment have to do with anything | Oct 23 12:09 |
| kaniini | and his employment history is legit | Oct 23 12:11 |
| kaniini | his first job was working at canonical | Oct 23 12:11 |
| kaniini | then red hat, and now google | Oct 23 12:11 |
| kaniini | the first two are very solidly FOSS institutions | Oct 23 12:11 |
| kaniini | oh well, i will be in my corner of this lovely FOSS world, helping arm people with the tools they need to build a resilient, open, social web | Oct 23 12:17 |
| kaniini | with other ex-GNU/ex-FSF collaborators | Oct 23 12:18 |
| *kaniini shrugs | Oct 23 12:18 | |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: if it makes you feel any better (it does me), gnu stuff grows in usage worldwide | Oct 23 12:28 |
| schestowitz | hence we're attacked, we're a more lucrative target | Oct 23 12:28 |
| kaniini | that does not necessarily make me feel better | Oct 23 12:28 |
| schestowitz | ok | Oct 23 12:28 |
| kaniini | i like that gnu software grows in usage worldwide | Oct 23 12:29 |
| schestowitz | now the fight is pursuing ethics | Oct 23 12:29 |
| kaniini | yes | Oct 23 12:29 |
| schestowitz | some people try to push towards only market share | Oct 23 12:29 |
| kaniini | and that is a hard conversation we need to have | Oct 23 12:29 |
| schestowitz | as if "YAY! Microsoft is with us!" | Oct 23 12:29 |
| kaniini | and RMS needs to be part of it | Oct 23 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Let's get vista10, azure office etc. | Oct 23 12:29 |
| kaniini | but we need to look at *all* aspects of ethics | Oct 23 12:29 |
| schestowitz | yay! we won, we use all proprietary crap... but "Microsoft loves Linux" so... | Oct 23 12:30 |
| kaniini | are we doing a good job to make our spaces welcoming? | Oct 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | they are more than proprietary | Oct 23 12:30 |
| kaniini | are we doing a good job to help onboard new initiates? | Oct 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | there's no job interview to join gnu | Oct 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | you just come and participate | Oct 23 12:30 |
| kaniini | no job interview, yes | Oct 23 12:30 |
| schestowitz | and you can take everything for free | Oct 23 12:30 |
| kaniini | let me use an example of what i mean. | Oct 23 12:30 |
| kaniini | in the fediverse, there is now Gab. | Oct 23 12:31 |
| kaniini | if Gab shows up in the Mastodon or Pleroma communities, they are told to fuck off. | Oct 23 12:31 |
| kaniini | but if Gab shows up at W3C and joins SocialCG, we are forced to work with them. | Oct 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | if you don't cheer up, you won't be productive | Oct 23 12:32 |
| kaniini | this would likely result in Pleroma and Mastodon leaving the SocialCG. | Oct 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | so find a way to feel OK about things while always working to make them better | Oct 23 12:32 |
| kaniini | my point is | Oct 23 12:32 |
| kaniini | right | Oct 23 12:32 |
| kaniini | so, my point is | Oct 23 12:32 |
| schestowitz | referring to what you said about sadness or depression btw | Oct 23 12:32 |
| kaniini | a lot of people talk about codes of conduct as being the invention of satan | Oct 23 12:33 |
| kaniini | but they are just documents | Oct 23 12:33 |
| kaniini | what really matters is how a project is run | Oct 23 12:33 |
| kaniini | i've contributed to dozens of projects now | Oct 23 12:33 |
| kaniini | they had CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md | Oct 23 12:33 |
| kaniini | yet the maintainer was an asshole | Oct 23 12:33 |
| kaniini | didn't really take the contributor covenant he slapped in his repo to heart, i guess | Oct 23 12:33 |
| schestowitz | I am sort of waiting for evidence I can see that they improve things | Oct 23 12:34 |
| schestowitz | not saying they surely have not | Oct 23 12:34 |
| schestowitz | just want to see actual evidence | Oct 23 12:34 |
| kaniini | they don't improve things | Oct 23 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I know there are upsides and downsides to them | Oct 23 12:34 |
| kaniini | however, they may provide motivation for some to improve themselves, as maintainers. | Oct 23 12:34 |
| schestowitz | nice ideas in theory | Oct 23 12:34 |
| kaniini | but, you talk about "working to make things better." | Oct 23 12:34 |
| kaniini | coraline wrote the contributor covenant because she wanted to work to make things better | Oct 23 12:35 |
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| kaniini | and for that, she is dragged through the mud, with more vitriolic bullshit than i've seen come out of theo de raadt in years | Oct 23 12:35 |
| kaniini | why? | Oct 23 12:36 |
| schestowitz | see what she did in Opal | Oct 23 12:36 |
| schestowitz | and afaik, hardly a developer | Oct 23 12:36 |
| schestowitz | self-publicist by destroying people's lives | Oct 23 12:36 |
| kaniini | you see that because you have bias | Oct 23 12:36 |
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| kaniini | people can make mistakes, and learn from them, and not make those errors again | Oct 23 12:37 |
| schestowitz | we must identity and eliminate concern trolls | Oct 23 12:37 |
| kaniini | free software *is* a social justice movement. a radical one. | Oct 23 12:37 |
| kaniini | yes, we must | Oct 23 12:37 |
| schestowitz | now welcome and entertain them, they can be destructive | Oct 23 12:37 |
| kaniini | but we must also be forgiving to those who make mistakes and learn from them. | Oct 23 12:37 |
| kaniini | coraline is not a concern troll. | Oct 23 12:37 |
| schestowitz | read up on Opal | Oct 23 12:37 |
| kaniini | i have | Oct 23 12:37 |
| kaniini | i'm well aware of that incident | Oct 23 12:38 |
| kaniini | i am also aware that she realizes she went too far with it. | Oct 23 12:38 |
| schestowitz | they can do this to you or pleroma one day | Oct 23 12:38 |
| schestowitz | like the people who did a 'site' 'for' you | Oct 23 12:39 |
| kaniini | they already do this to me and pleroma every day. | Oct 23 12:39 |
| kaniini | yes | Oct 23 12:39 |
| kaniini | and the solution is to not play | Oct 23 12:39 |
| kaniini | stay focused on what matters. | Oct 23 12:39 |
| kaniini | a site joejobbing me, or some idiot screaming about how i am a 'nazi' because i did not do what they wanted, is not what matters | Oct 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | I found ways | Oct 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | I used to get trolled like this daily | Oct 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | mostly from USENET trolls | Oct 23 12:40 |
| kaniini | precisely | Oct 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | one fo them came here days ago | Oct 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | we all ignored him | Oct 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | he left | Oct 23 12:40 |
| kaniini | precisely | Oct 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | so I have had no 'scandal' in over a decade | Oct 23 12:41 |
| schestowitz | and I hardly get trolled tbh | Oct 23 12:41 |
| schestowitz | gab gave death threats, but that's different from trolls | Oct 23 12:41 |
| kaniini | which is why when somebody who was mad that i released a mitigation for their botnet decided to make a website using my dead name, i just addressed it and laughed at it | Oct 23 12:41 |
| kaniini | it doesn't matter | Oct 23 12:41 |
| kaniini | point is | Oct 23 12:41 |
| schestowitz | they want the attention | Oct 23 12:41 |
| schestowitz | techrights had many sites dedciated to attacking it | Oct 23 12:42 |
| schestowitz | I lost count, even dedicated domains | Oct 23 12:42 |
| kaniini | in the case of coraline, she doesn't want attention | Oct 23 12:42 |
| schestowitz | they all perished afaik, domains expired | Oct 23 12:42 |
| schestowitz | (same fror groklaw btw) | Oct 23 12:42 |
| kaniini | ultimately my point is this | Oct 23 12:42 |
| schestowitz | pj taught me to never give them any traffic, then they vanish | Oct 23 12:43 |
| kaniini | regardless of who we believe should be in charge of GNU or how GNU should be governed or whatever | Oct 23 12:43 |
| schestowitz | as for fsf, notice I always defend rms | Oct 23 12:43 |
| schestowitz | and stick to the issue, not ad hominem against his critics | Oct 23 12:43 |
| kaniini | my point there is | Oct 23 12:43 |
| schestowitz | didn't even mention the people who called him names or use autism | Oct 23 12:43 |
| schestowitz | he hasd a similar scandal in 2009 | Oct 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | so-called scandal | Oct 23 12:44 |
| kaniini | with RMS, you contribute to making it a third-rail issue | Oct 23 12:44 |
| kaniini | what is best | Oct 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | and gnome foundation people were in the firing line | Oct 23 12:44 |
| kaniini | is to redirect the conversation | Oct 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | rms needs defending | Oct 23 12:44 |
| kaniini | he does | Oct 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | without it, people would only be exposed to negative stuff | Oct 23 12:44 |
| kaniini | but that doesn't need to be the primary conversation | Oct 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | which is the majority, esp. in msm | Oct 23 12:44 |
| kaniini | we need to talk about future | Oct 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | and fs | Oct 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | and fsf, and what software freedom means | Oct 23 12:44 |
| kaniini | yes | Oct 23 12:45 |
| kaniini | software freedom is under attack by new players | Oct 23 12:45 |
| kaniini | it's not so much microsoft anymore, but "cloud" | Oct 23 12:45 |
| kaniini | we, all of us, need to figure out how to respond to that | Oct 23 12:45 |
| kaniini | we now have software patent trolls suing FOSS institutions like GNOME foundation | Oct 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | "cloud" is not new | Oct 23 12:46 |
| schestowitz | the word is | Oct 23 12:46 |
| kaniini | we don't have time to duke it out over stallman, it's time to get back to work | Oct 23 12:46 |
| schestowitz | or maybe the percentage of biz/people who uses that | Oct 23 12:46 |
| kaniini | yes i know | Oct 23 12:46 |
| kaniini | but my point is | Oct 23 12:46 |
| kaniini | software as a service | Oct 23 12:46 |
| kaniini | commons clause | Oct 23 12:46 |
| kaniini | all of this stuff is an attack on software freedom | Oct 23 12:46 |
| schestowitz | monopolies | Oct 23 12:46 |
| schestowitz | hosting giants | Oct 23 12:46 |
| schestowitz | rackspace still doing ok at all? | Oct 23 12:47 |
| schestowitz | guess they might not survive in the long run | Oct 23 12:47 |
| kaniini | these are attempts to extract free labor from the free software community | Oct 23 12:47 |
| schestowitz | they need lobbyists | Oct 23 12:47 |
| kaniini | rackspace is dead to me since the ahimsa.indymedia.org incident | Oct 23 12:47 |
| schestowitz | china has its own too | Oct 23 12:47 |
| kaniini | anyway, companies like MongoDB and Chef | Oct 23 12:49 |
| kaniini | "open core" | Oct 23 12:49 |
| kaniini | companies | Oct 23 12:49 |
| kaniini | and SaaS companies | Oct 23 12:49 |
| kaniini | these are the threats to software freedom today | Oct 23 12:49 |
| kaniini | and the free software movement has no answer | Oct 23 12:49 |
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| schestowitz | agplvv3, 2007 | Oct 23 12:52 |
| kaniini | yes | Oct 23 12:52 |
| kaniini | i'm aware of it, i helped contribute feedback during GPLv3 process | Oct 23 12:52 |
| schestowitz | we did LOADS of articles about it | Oct 23 12:52 |
| kaniini | AGPLv3 has always held a special place in my heart | Oct 23 12:52 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to Linus about it back then | Oct 23 12:52 |
| kaniini | but it's not good enough anymore | Oct 23 12:52 |
| kaniini | this is where i think RMS can do something important | Oct 23 12:53 |
| kaniini | we need an AGPLv4 | Oct 23 12:53 |
| kaniini | i think that could help a lot | Oct 23 12:53 |
| kaniini | and | Oct 23 12:53 |
| kaniini | if RMS oversees the process | Oct 23 12:54 |
| kaniini | bam, he gets his passion back | Oct 23 12:54 |
| kaniini | people will also be more passionate about supporting RMS | Oct 23 12:54 |
| kaniini | as someone actually in the trenches, slinging code | Oct 23 12:55 |
| kaniini | i can tell you, RMS is not really somebody people are looking toward for motivation anymore, and it hasn't been that way in a long time | Oct 23 12:55 |
| kaniini | but it's about time for a GPL revision, and if he got in there and did it | Oct 23 12:55 |
| kaniini | i think that could fire him up, and fire people up about getting behind GNU again | Oct 23 12:56 |
| kaniini | i want to see a resilient GNU | Oct 23 12:56 |
| kaniini | i want to see all of our FOSS organizations be resilient | Oct 23 12:56 |
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| XRevan86 | Or maybe AGPLv3.1 to keep it version-connected to the rest. | Oct 23 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: What new things do you want AGPL to have? | Oct 23 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if RMS still thinks AGPL is not important | Oct 23 14:05 |
| oiaohm | kaniini: why does it have to be RMS that been a problem for a while. GNU has need broader and more activity visible leadership. | Oct 23 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Calling MongoDB "open core" is giving it too much credit. | Oct 23 14:10 |
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| oiaohm | kaniini: https://www.mongodb.com/community/licensing remember MongoDB has changed there license and its questionable if the license in fact meets open core requirement. | Oct 23 14:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-MongoDB Licensing | MongoDB | Oct 23 14:14 | |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I don't think it's even questionable, even OSI dared not to call it open-source. | Oct 23 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | proprietary-core with proprietary extensions | Oct 23 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Chef is open core because it core is apache 2.0 license so an accepted open source license. | Oct 23 14:18 |
| XRevan86 | so absolutely proprietary (: | Oct 23 14:19 |
| oiaohm | You can build the core parts of chef and run it. But yes the useful version is propreitary so you goto something else like puppet. | Oct 23 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | I meant MongoDB. | Oct 23 14:44 |
| scientes | XRevan86, damn, the LLVM conference has grown alot in 6 years | Oct 23 14:49 |
| scientes | and then my pants ripped,and I am giving a recorded talk | Oct 23 14:50 |
| scientes | oiaohm, mongodb is pretty universally seen as not-free-software at this point | Oct 23 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Break a leg | Oct 23 14:54 |
| scientes | kaniini, I am not convinced anything can be stronger than AGPLv3 and if you need that (and I see that many projects do), then you have to do delayed-source-release | Oct 23 14:54 |
| scientes | its really just due to a few bad actors (like Amazon) | Oct 23 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | kaniini: sorry I did not reply, I left the house | Oct 23 17:42 |
| schestowitz | back now | Oct 23 17:42 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the chat, very thought-provoking | Oct 23 17:42 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/1910074 | Oct 23 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 23 20:00 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: She doesn't have a cat | Oct 23 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Slovenia | Oct 23 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | Quite a different language, had to think there | Oct 23 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | kisik – oxygen (kislorod), ogljik – carbon (uglerod) | Oct 23 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | več, manj – more, less; I guess from velik, mal | Oct 23 20:12 |
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| XRevan86 | The banner with a woman and an Earth with a bow-tie is punning on hotness. | Oct 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | good to know | Oct 23 20:25 |
| schestowitz | but I suppose the nationality does not matter much | Oct 23 20:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe the pun does | Oct 23 20:25 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19100673 | Oct 23 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 23 20:35 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/13/40de64e16e4a2d6a.jpg | Oct 23 20:44 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19100645 | Oct 23 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 23 21:29 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19100462 | Oct 23 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Oct 23 22:52 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Do they come in pairs? | Oct 23 23:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 23 23:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What I find most disgusting about this pensile is that it was a plastic cover | Oct 23 23:04 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/10/20/4a977dcba55289f6.mp4 | Oct 23 23:07 |
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