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| DaemonFC[m] | All of the self checkouts just crashed at Walmart. | Nov 23 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | No meat specials today anyway. | Nov 23 00:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like the canned Pepsi has gone up in price. | Nov 23 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | very techrights'y new ;-) | Nov 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | many things are going up in price | Nov 23 00:33 |
| schestowitz | the currencies buy less | Nov 23 00:34 |
| schestowitz | and food still sells | Nov 23 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=291638&sid=863793ff45f87f39f1003db705658f97&start=25#p1765314 | Nov 23 08:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Is learning to code more difficult if you don't speak English? - Page 2 - Raspberry Pi Forums | Nov 23 08:47 | |
| schestowitz | :"" | Nov 23 08:47 |
| schestowitz | "Interesting factoid: "In the 1972 case Gottschalk v. Benson, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a lower court decision which had allowed a patent for converting BCD encoded numbers to binary on a computer. This was a landmark judgement, determining the patentability of software and algorithms."" | Nov 23 08:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ^ | Nov 23 08:47 |
| CrystalMath | gosh | Nov 23 08:49 |
| CrystalMath | i can't believe someone tried to patent even that | Nov 23 08:50 |
| CrystalMath | what's next, patent on r squared times pi | Nov 23 08:50 |
| CrystalMath | patent on the pythagorean theorem | Nov 23 08:50 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: btw there was a french C thing for learning | Nov 23 08:51 |
| CrystalMath | it literally had si (<condition>) { <instructions> } sinon { <instructions> } | Nov 23 08:53 |
| CrystalMath | :) | Nov 23 08:53 |
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| schestowitz | oh wow | Nov 23 08:56 |
| CrystalMath | the french always find a way to get rid of english :P | Nov 23 09:00 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 23/11/2020: Linux 5.10-rc5, GIMP Turns 25, 4MLinux 34.2, Escuelas Linux 6.11, MPV Player 0.33 • 🆃🅴🅲🅷🆁🅸🅶🅷🆃🆂 ☞ http://techrights.org/2020/11/23/gimp-turns-25/ •●• #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [https://pleroma.site/objects/57e6e457-c42e-4b1a-b378-72b7adf155bd] | Nov 23 11:06 | |
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| liberty_box | https://www.autoevolution.com/news/android-will-take-over-the-car-world-beating-both-qnx-and-linux-151924.html | Nov 23 12:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android Will Take Over the Car World, Beating Both QNX and Linux - autoevolution | Nov 23 12:21 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft propagandist and liar Bogdan Popa doesn't know Android has Linux in it. LOL! | Nov 23 12:21 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: ArchBang Linux 0111 • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144659 [https://pleroma.site/objects/383bbad4-4d9b-44a9-a3be-0d9eaa5b6bec] | Nov 23 12:40 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: note that was 10 years into the future theory. That far out it possible there might be Android versions without Linux kernels.. | Nov 23 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Also that far out a lot of other things could happen. | Nov 23 12:41 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Reolink RLC-810A review – A 4K security camera with people & vehicle detection http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144660 [https://pleroma.site/objects/494d1609-753c-4b1b-af40-3cd622df3840] | Nov 23 12:42 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: you twist it | Nov 23 12:43 |
| schestowitz | today, 2020, android uses linux | Nov 23 12:43 |
| schestowitz | google gives lots of code to linux | Nov 23 12:43 |
| schestowitz | and linux, the kernel, grows for the growing demand from android market | Nov 23 12:43 |
| schestowitz | huawei, samsung, xiaomi... | Nov 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | in 2021 this will not change | Nov 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | google had a go at replacing linux, but it's not really going anywhere | Nov 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | now they have a damage-limiting position that it was only for particular devices types | Nov 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | google just doesn't like gpl | Nov 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | because many downstream benefit from android work | Nov 23 12:44 |
| schestowitz | so you can run those 'android' devices with other oses | Nov 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | many gnu/linux based | Nov 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | and they get the devices drivers and all downstream | Nov 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | if a big enough company like some chinese ones embark on the challenge, they can dethrone android | Nov 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | some are already trying to do just that | Nov 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | google will guard the spying monopoly (android in billions of pockets) like Microsoft shielded Windows for decades | Nov 23 12:46 |
| psydroid | so would that imply that locking bootloaders on most phones nowadays is actually based on a google imperative to prevent people from installing custom roms or even different operating systems on their android phones? | Nov 23 12:54 |
| schestowitz | google is not our friend | Nov 23 13:12 |
| schestowitz | but it's less of an enemy than apple and microsoft in that one particular aspect | Nov 23 13:12 |
| schestowitz | linux support, not privacy | Nov 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/08/20/gafam-and-gnu-linux/ | Nov 23 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | To GNU/Linux, the Operating System, GAFAM (Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft) is Not the Threat. Microsoft is. | Techrights | Nov 23 13:13 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is the worst | Nov 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | and if you didn't think so, you should after they stole ShitHub | Nov 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | because it was obviously an attack not only on Linux | Nov 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | but on GPL | Nov 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | and on Free software in general | Nov 23 13:13 |
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| psydroid | it seems Microsoft people are as allergic to me as I am to them, so I would rule out that possibility at least | Nov 23 13:26 |
| schestowitz | it's mutual | Nov 23 13:28 |
| schestowitz | if you like free software | Nov 23 13:28 |
| schestowitz | they're antithetical to it | Nov 23 13:28 |
| schestowitz | so you are opposites | Nov 23 13:28 |
| schestowitz | if they LIKE you, as they might like today's SJVN, you know if you're a "useful idiot" to them | Nov 23 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> >> [21:36] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- The new M1 Macs make | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> >> cutting-edge, machine-learning workstations | ZDNet | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> >> [21:36] <schestowitz> SJVN is bygone | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> > | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> > It's sad he decided to wrap up his career like that. He had been great | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> > for many years but no one new would know even a hint of that and most | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> > old people have long since forgotten out of irritation. | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> > | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> >> [21:36] <schestowitz> and here's all in on the ZDNet "Script" | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> >> [21:36] <schestowitz> inc. "Microsoft loves Linux" | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> >> [21:36] <schestowitz> or Linux is "hard" | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> >> [21:36] <schestowitz> Assimilation complete | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> > | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> > Same old M$ talking points. | Nov 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | [08:32] <schestowitz> Maybe he does not have a pension. And this is what keeps him employed at ZDCrap. | Nov 23 13:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Most of those companies don't care if you use Linux and Google is making products with it. | Nov 23 14:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chromebook went from being this ridiculous web browser with "cloud print" to an actual computer. | Nov 23 14:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure that's keeping Microsoft up at night more than anything. | Nov 23 14:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remember that they went on an ad blitz when the Chromebook was new and not all that great. | Nov 23 14:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They came up swinging because they realized that with some more iterations it could work very well and many people wouldn't want to deal with Windows anymore. | Nov 23 14:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All of the major problems with Chrome OS are solved and it's a papercut thing at this point, really, while Windows 10 continues to decay and gather incoherent and duplicative behaviors. | Nov 23 14:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10, bugs aside, is just not all that approachable anymore for a person who has no prior experience with it. The GUI isn't there. Windows 95 kept it really simple and it was a huge success because they listened to the usability studies that they commissioned. | Nov 23 14:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems few people do that anymore. GNOME claimed that usability studies were the reason why GNOME 3 behaves in such confusing and bizarre ways by default and why it's not obvious how to fix any particular thing. | Nov 23 14:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Then when users demanded fixes, they shoved those fixes into its own app and then complained that if you fixed it then they couldn't guarantee that the system would work well and that's not what they would ever present by default. | Nov 23 14:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's really nothing wrong with the traditional GUI and Chrome OS retains that, and the simplicity that you used to see in operating systems from 20 or 25 years ago. | Nov 23 14:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think many of the Windows 10 marketing failures are that it's not at all pleasant to use or look at. | Nov 23 14:36 |
| psydroid | my youngest nieces and nephew don't even have Windows machines anymore for school or private use, just Android tablets and Chromebooks, so that already shows me what the current situation is like | Nov 23 14:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard to get where you're going. | Nov 23 14:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, schools aren't using Windows anymore because it's an unmanageable nightmare when it's only on your PC, much less at scale. | Nov 23 14:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To pretend that there's anything particularly relevant about it at this point is pie in the sky stuff. The only reason it ships on anything is crooked "bribe in an apple pie" stuff to the vendors. | Nov 23 14:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Internally, Microsoft is well aware of that, which is why their financial statement shows they're bleeding cash right back out the front door to keep vendors from total revolt. Without the "rebates" and "incentives" (bloatware), there's just nothing to justify it to them. | Nov 23 14:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're all down at the Walmart competing with each other to see who can knock the price $10 lower than the other guy. | Nov 23 14:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Windows has a price and it doesn't have a price. | Nov 23 14:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It would look bad if Microsoft just flat out admitted that the only reason they can get vendors to take it is because they rebate it down to nothing and then use bloatware to turn the price negative, so that they can spy on and advertise to you with it, and it's supposed to be this conduit for fleecing app developers with something that amounts to a tariff. An invisible tax you're really paying every time you use | Nov 23 14:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | their "store". | Nov 23 14:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If Windows, as a product, was worth anything, they could charge people money for it and people would pay it, seeing that it added value to the hardware. | Nov 23 14:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That they can't. That they use this sleazy indirect way to make money from it, is quite frankly hilarious. | Nov 23 14:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's one reason why the Microsoft hardware division has never had good numbers. | Nov 23 14:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They take the bloatware off and try to charge Mac prices or what have you, and it's a total disaster. | Nov 23 14:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It still doesn't work well, it's just not as bad in that configuration. | Nov 23 14:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that Google will probably continue to gain market share in the laptop market. | Nov 23 14:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think this antitrust complaint will be dropped as soon as Biden's administration takes over. | Nov 23 14:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The new DoJ people can drop the charges and the court will dismiss it for want of prosecution. | Nov 23 14:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now, the states might very well continue in their individual capacities, but even that's not guaranteed. | Nov 23 14:45 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYagO-nup6c | Nov 23 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Does cyanide actually smell like almonds? - YouTube | Nov 23 14:45 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only reason they joined in was because Trump said to. | Nov 23 14:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, Alabama vs. Google. Come on. | Nov 23 14:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that Google should be prosecuted, for the reasons stated in the DoJ complaint. | Nov 23 14:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think they should be prosecuted for other reasons. There's very good reasons to prosecute them, and all of them were left out, and even if the federal government wins, none of the court's "remedies" will fix any problems that Google has made for the public marketplace. | Nov 23 14:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What they should be prosecuted for was in my complaint to the State of Illinois. | Nov 23 14:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: very interesting | Nov 23 14:49 |
| schestowitz | you can apparently make comics out of it | Nov 23 14:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Namely their Widevine CDM monopoly, their control and subversion of the web platform with Chrome, and and using Chrome to bolster their adtech. | Nov 23 14:49 |
| schestowitz | pure happiness | Nov 23 14:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All of those are real problems, and nobody is seeing this really. They just see the frontend. The browser that Google has unlimited money (From where? Nobody wonders.) to develop. | Nov 23 14:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's funding a lot of good engineering projects, but then again....so does Facebook. | Nov 23 14:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I suppose it's really a mixed bag on court appointments for the next 4 years. | Nov 23 14:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The judges will probably be conservative leaning to get past the Senate but probably not as crazy and unqualified as Trump's. | Nov 23 14:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Back to normal." | Nov 23 14:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A president has always, technically, been able to appoint anyone to the bench, regardless of whether they can't display any actual knowledge of basic legal concepts, but that hasn't been a "modern" thing until Trump got in and started doling them out as favors to campaign contributors and stuff. | Nov 23 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Biden paid lots of money to Google | Nov 23 14:57 |
| schestowitz | and to Facebook | Nov 23 14:57 |
| schestowitz | See breakdown in http://techrights.org/2020/11/08/political-debt/ | Nov 23 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Who President Biden is Indebted to (e.g. Google Monopoly and the Financial Sector) | Techrights | Nov 23 14:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-55040756 | Nov 23 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sidney Powell: Trump team cuts ties with lawyer who peddled bizarre fraud claims - BBC News | Nov 23 15:00 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082210 | Nov 23 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4840063) | Nov 23 15:11 | |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082118 | Nov 23 16:04 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: Relatable. | Nov 23 16:13 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20081027 | Nov 23 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4814264) | Nov 23 16:26 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/news/forget-m1-macbooks-chromebooks-may-abandon-intel-too | Nov 23 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomsguide.com | Forget M1 MacBooks: Now Chromebooks are ditching Intel, too | Tom's Guide | Nov 23 17:11 | |
| schestowitz | makes sense | Nov 23 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "So, maybe Google has bigger plans for its Chromebook line beyond Google Docs and web browsing." | Nov 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | but those do not mean freedom? | Nov 23 17:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sure, don't mention the Linux subsystem at all. | Nov 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | in some ways, they can be even worse, like in Apple's case | Nov 23 17:12 |
| vZS1 | Chromebooks are pretty dangerous because they normalise reliance on software that doesn't live on the user's machine. | Nov 23 17:25 |
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| vZS1 | Just like most apps on smartphones | Nov 23 17:25 |
| vZS1 | F-droid software being an exception | Nov 23 17:26 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082055 | Nov 23 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4837102) | Nov 23 17:27 | |
| vZS1 | They do it pretty slyly. | Nov 23 17:28 |
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| vZS1 | First "cloud storage", then apps, and slowly they encroach more and more. | Nov 23 17:28 |
| vZS1 | Soon enough they'll offer just a screen with something like a remote X11 session | Nov 23 17:29 |
| vZS1 | Smartphones and apps are near enough almost there | Nov 23 17:29 |
| vZS1 | People fall for the marketing too hard | Nov 23 17:31 |
| vZS1 | Look at the bills over something like 10 years. | Nov 23 17:32 |
| vZS1 | You see how much you get ripped off | Nov 23 17:32 |
| vZS1 | You don't own the hardware nor the software | Nov 23 17:33 |
| vZS1 | Perfect consumer trap | Nov 23 17:33 |
| vZS1 | Then they can charge whatever they want and make decisions at their whim | Nov 23 17:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: looks like tesco or sainsburys | Nov 23 17:35 |
| schestowitz | the yellow tag | Nov 23 17:35 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: not there are "HEY HI" chips | Nov 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | I saw one puff piece 2 minutes ago | Nov 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | no link | Nov 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | the hardware is not "HEY HI" | Nov 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | everything clown, everything smart, HEY HI | Nov 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Better get on with the programme/times | Nov 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | or you might be 'dumb" | Nov 23 17:36 |
| schestowitz | here https://www.tfir.io/simplemachines-launches-mozart-ai-chip/ | Nov 23 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tfir.io | SimpleMachines Launches Mozart AI Chip | TFiR: News, Interviews & Analysis shows hosted by Swapnil Bhartiya, covering the confluence of Cloud Native Computing, AI/ML & Security. | Nov 23 17:37 | |
| schestowitz | hey hi | Nov 23 17:37 |
| vZS1 | Don't listen to me. I'm dumb. :D /s | Nov 23 17:37 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20082030 | Nov 23 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4836002) | Nov 23 17:38 | |
| vZS1 | I ordered a new UPS today. Saw a pretty good unit that will protect my desktop and other units. | Nov 23 17:38 |
| vZS1 | 1200W unit | Nov 23 17:40 |
| vZS1 | Got to wait a little while for all the extension cables. Had to get the heavy duty stuff. | Nov 23 17:41 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: A Republican official in Georgia who is overseeing the third count says "This is a distraction at this point.". | Nov 23 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Patience is wearing thin with Trump's attempt to block Biden's certification, within the Republican Party. | Nov 23 17:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They all know that there's life after Trump and that this frees some of them up to run for president themselves very soon. | Nov 23 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They see opportunity here. If they can accelerate his demise then they can maybe rebrand, take Congress back, and run a presidential candidate that doesn't draw down the ire of over 80 million voters. | Nov 23 17:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Going with the argument that Mike Pence went down with a sinking ship helps get him out of the way. | Nov 23 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not too many of them are fans of Mike Pence, but probably somewhere between 8 and 12 want to run, personally. | Nov 23 17:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think that a one term vice president has ever come back later to win the presidency. | Nov 23 17:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vice Presidents who were serving with a very popular president who died in office, and who assumed the presidency and ran from that position have. | Nov 23 17:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just don't see an argument for how Mike Pence could come back from this. | Nov 23 17:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll eat him alive in the primary and say he already lost alongside Trump. That the Trump administration was a disaster for them and he was part of it. | Nov 23 17:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump was blindsided from this loss, from my point of view. | Nov 23 17:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | He thought he had rigged things enough that he would "win" on disqualified Biden ballots and ballots that were never even delivered after the Post Office sabotage. | Nov 23 17:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now if his scheme even worked, he has to obviously steal an election right in front of everyone, on the back of some unelected and unqualified judges and some officials who agree to set aside the popular vote and appoint electors. | Nov 23 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:38] <MinceR> https://ircz.de/p/20082030 | Nov 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | 50 shades of candle | Nov 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | [17:56] <DaemonFC[m]> He thought he had rigged things enough that he would "win" on disqualified Biden ballots and ballots that were never even delivered after the Post Office sabotage. | Nov 23 18:00 |
| schestowitz | yes, exactly | Nov 23 18:00 |
| schestowitz | now he's just seeding hate | Nov 23 18:00 |
| schestowitz | trying to delegitimise Biden | Nov 23 18:00 |
| schestowitz | like he did Obama with birtherism | Nov 23 18:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-23-20/index.html | Nov 23 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnn.com | US election 2020: Latest news on the Trump-Biden transition | Nov 23 18:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | And John Kerry is back. | Nov 23 18:03 |
| vZS1 | Maybe Trump thought stacking SCOTUS would lead to something like Bush Vs Gore | Nov 23 18:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The trickle of Republican Senators urging Trump to concede and start the transition is becoming a chorus. | Nov 23 18:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They did a wait and see and now most of them are realizing that if they continue beating this dead horse, there could be severe consequences later, for them. | Nov 23 18:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not surprisingly, the ones calling for the transition to begin are mainly up for re-election themselves next time. | Nov 23 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | vZS1: Well, Bush v. Gore precedent would actually hurt Trump here. | Nov 23 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It said that if a state can't certify by the safe harbor deadline then they have to just go with what they have and certify that. | Nov 23 18:08 |
| vZS1 | Ah | Nov 23 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And what they have is Biden in the lead. | Nov 23 18:09 |
| vZS1 | So there's really no hope for umpa lumpa | Nov 23 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if any of these delay tactics even work, all that does is force the Supreme Court to rule that the states in question have to certify Biden immediately on the 8th of December. | Nov 23 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think there is. They seem to have painted themselves into a corner here. | Nov 23 18:10 |
| vZS1 | Just about 2 weeks | Nov 23 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What are they going to do? Admit that the case that put Bush in the White House was so fundamentally flawed that THAT was an election the Republicans stole and that's their basis for overturning it and putting Trump in the White House? | Nov 23 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Florida recount was reversing so much of Bush's lead that had it expanded to the other Florida counties, Al Gore would have probably carried the state by hundreds of votes. | Nov 23 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At issue were that more Democrats were having their ballots rejected for not having punched completely through the checkbox with the voting machine. | Nov 23 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or, at the very least, there was an overvote and they wrote in Al Gore in the Write In spot and it had been rejected the first time. | Nov 23 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that if the Supreme Court does pick this up, it will also, ultimately, be pointless. | Nov 23 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No particular lawsuit would potentially invalidate enough ballots to change the outcome in even one state, and Michigan is certifying their results today. | Nov 23 18:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So, no cases pending in Nevada and Arizona, Georgia already certified, recount going on in Wisconsin which just amounts to thuggery and harassment to the election officials by the Trump "observers", a crackpot lawsuit in Pennsylvania that can't overcome the margin, and if the Michigan state board of canvassers refuses to certify, the state courts will order them to -or- Governor Whitmer will simply eject whoever vote | Nov 23 18:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | against it until there is a certification. | Nov 23 18:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't see Biden losing any electoral votes. The most plausible thing here really would be that the Supreme Court threw out every vote in Philadelphia and he was back at 286. | Nov 23 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since that would be pointless, and there'd be rioters ready to hang the judges for that, probably not going to happen. | Nov 23 18:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's stall tactics, and the only thing it might do is muddy the waters a little bit until the safe harbor deadline when the Supreme Court will have to order certification itself. | Nov 23 18:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At this point, that's all Trump is paying these people to do. Make things uncertain and tense for 15 more days, possibly. | Nov 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe they won't even get that. | Nov 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And here's the deal. | Nov 23 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Say that Michigan got completely hung and couldn't send any electors at all. That just means that It's Biden 290 and Trump 232, with 262 needed. So, like, Trump still doesn't get the electors because it's plainly illegal for the Michigan legislature to appoint electors. | Nov 23 18:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's really bizarre, because Biden would then have 28 more than he'd need and now he has 36 more than he needs. | Nov 23 18:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it wouldn't really even reduce his margin of the new total very much. | Nov 23 18:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's simply, really, no reason to even continue this charade. | Nov 23 18:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | CNN reports that the meeting to certify the Michigan results has started. | Nov 23 18:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The only member expected to vote against certification, is not wearing a mask. | Nov 23 18:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the wheel falls off Trump's Michigan clown car today, it's over. | Nov 23 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | [18:24] <DaemonFC[m]> The only member expected to vote against certification, is not wearing a mask. | Nov 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | can't afford a brain to buy one | Nov 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | maybe the federal gov. can ssupply one | Nov 23 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, rotten and left over from the 2009 flu, maybe. | Nov 23 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like the ones Trump sent to Alabama. | Nov 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | he sent his kids to Alabama? :-) | Nov 23 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty obvious why Trump won Florida. | Nov 23 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was outright stealing Coronavirus supplies that other states had purchased. | Nov 23 18:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois had to lie to the federal government about what was on the cargo manifest on some flights that brought in ventilators and face masks and stuff. | Nov 23 18:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Biden's already trolling with his cabinet picks. | Nov 23 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A pro-immigration Latino man to run DHS. | Nov 23 18:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh this is good. | Nov 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | he's not trolling | Nov 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | he's just an a-hole | Nov 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | and people lose passion for Biden already | Nov 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | seeing it's just "not Trump" | Nov 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | and little else on most important issues | Nov 23 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard he's going to get rid of that "wealth test". | Nov 23 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess we'll see. It has been a huge priority of the Democratic Party to try to get it overturned. | Nov 23 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Judges appointed by Obama have kept finding reasons to strike it down, but the decisions never get through appeals. | Nov 23 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he could either just let the ruling stand or start the regulatory process to return to the old one. | Nov 23 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg spoke with President-elect Joe Biden on Monday to congratulate him and thank him for being a "long-standing supporter of NATO and the transatlantic relationship." | Nov 23 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, because they don't want to pay for anything. | Nov 23 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody else ever made them pay for anything. | Nov 23 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://au.news.yahoo.com/uk-pm-says-military-budget-cuts-era-over-134506893--spt.html | Nov 23 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-au.news.yahoo.com | UK PM says military budget cuts era over | Nov 23 18:34 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's nice to see schestowitz defending Johnson when he's not even clever enough to write a speech without paraphrasing Trump's inaugural speech. | Nov 23 18:34 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "This era of American carnage ends, and it ends now." -Trump 2017 | Nov 23 18:35 |
| schestowitz | the wow starts now | Nov 23 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "'The era of cutting our defence budget must end, and it ends now,' Johnson told parliament by video link from his Downing Street office[...]" | Nov 23 18:36 |
| MinceR | (no audio) https://pr0gramm.com/top/4136977 | Nov 23 18:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pr0gramm.com | Nov 23 18:36 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lytepDbGK5E | Nov 23 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Live: Michigan Board of State Canvassers Certification Meeting - YouTube | Nov 23 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | the undertaker coming for Trump's dead leftovers | Nov 23 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Aaron Langvelde seems to be making it clear he has no authority not to certify. | Nov 23 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's one of the two Republicans. | Nov 23 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | lol | Nov 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | 2020 | Nov 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | when people have to say things like that | Nov 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | it's like he signals to trumo | Nov 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | "man, I have no choice" | Nov 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | "please don't fire me" | Nov 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | this is dictatorship | Nov 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | with coup dissidents | Nov 23 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Trump can't do anything about this, but Governor Whitmer can take Langvelde off and appoint someone else. | Nov 23 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says she can remove any of them for refusing to certify, but that there have to be two Democrats and two Republicans. | Nov 23 18:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So theoretically she could just get rid of them both and find two more Republicans who promise to certify. | Nov 23 18:43 |
| schestowitz | even qanon pushing ones | Nov 23 18:44 |
| schestowitz | even qanon-pushing ones | Nov 23 18:44 |
| schestowitz | man, your system is so weird | Nov 23 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there's different elections in each state and you're not actually voting for president and vice president. | Nov 23 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're voting for slates of electors. | Nov 23 18:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The electors may or may not be free to vote for whoever they want. Depends on the state law. | Nov 23 18:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, very few deviate from who they are pledged to vote for unless the election is already lost and their state allows voting for someone else.. | Nov 23 18:50 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Interestingly, Gerald Ford lost an elector to Ronald Reagan in 1976 even though he didn't run in 1976. | Nov 23 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ford had already lost and one of the electors was like what the hell. | Nov 23 18:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 2000, one of Al Gore's electors from DC didn't vote for anyone, to protest DC not being a state. | Nov 23 18:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a holdover from back when a popular vote wouldn't have been feasible. | Nov 23 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | States had a hard enough time getting the results reported to their state legislature, much less to coordinate with each other to figure out what the total count was. | Nov 23 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Norman Shinkle is trying to ask retarded questions to make it look like fraud might have happened. | Nov 23 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | None of what he's talking about would have led to fraud on a scale that would change the results. | Nov 23 18:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | He pretty much gave up/ | Nov 23 18:59 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080940 | Nov 23 19:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Langevelde is really covering his ass, but it looks like he'll vote yes. | Nov 23 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is toast after this. | Nov 23 19:01 |
| schestowitz | he can always ask pentaGROAN to nuke Iran | Nov 23 19:03 |
| schestowitz | to delay things a bit | Nov 23 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | [19:01] <DaemonFC[m]> Trump is toast after this. | Nov 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | will the georgia certification impact blue presence there in senate? | Nov 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | i'm not quite following how that works | Nov 23 19:09 |
| schestowitz | d needs senate majority, or equal at around 48 iirc | Nov 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | or maybe senate is theirs, but congress is the barrier | Nov 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | so can obstruct efforts to undo trumpism | Nov 23 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it certifies that neither Republican candidate got to 50%, which is a state law. You have to get 50% in a non-presidential race in Georgia or there's another election for whoever didn't get to 50% between the top two finishers of opposing parties. | Nov 23 19:10 |
| schestowitz | ok, cheers | Nov 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | i'm gonna do some articles now, getting coffe, brb | Nov 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | *ffee | Nov 23 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So on January 5th they're going to have another election in Georgia for two US Senate seats, between the Republican and the Democrat who finished in the top two in each race in November. | Nov 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | trumpism needs to be wiped up | Nov 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | worldwide | Nov 23 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Conceivably, the Democrats could win one or both, and so the Republicans were not happy. | Nov 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | be seen like a dark era | Nov 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | when nazism was try to creep in again | Nov 23 19:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they have to run again and after Trump is already lost and definitely on his way out. | Nov 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | orban, bolsonaro and so on | Nov 23 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump was pushing people to turn out to vote for him and now it's all about the Senate. | Nov 23 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there's conceivably some loss of enthusiasm on the Republican side. | Nov 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | fakeleft biden won't change much | Nov 23 19:12 |
| schestowitz | but things were getting rather horrific under orange nazi | Nov 23 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | biden might be too old for a second term | Nov 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | the d might erect some oligarch like "mike" bloomberg | Nov 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | the biggest biden sponsor | Nov 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | and be back to oligarchy of lesser maniacs | Nov 23 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who knows? Carter made it well into his 90s. | Nov 23 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Still in his right mind. | Nov 23 19:14 |
| MinceR | the only solution is to abolish the state | Nov 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | carter now | Nov 23 19:14 |
| schestowitz | not as pres | Nov 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there will be some other thing in its place | Nov 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe with another name and veneer | Nov 23 19:15 |
| vZS1 | Carter did a lot of good work well into his 80s | Nov 23 19:15 |
| vZS1 | Building homes and stuff | Nov 23 19:15 |
| schestowitz | photo ops | Nov 23 19:15 |
| vZS1 | Don't know what he's been up to lately | Nov 23 19:16 |
| schestowitz | but he did sell his business | Nov 23 19:16 |
| schestowitz | prior to presidency | Nov 23 19:16 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: then that would have to be abolished too | Nov 23 19:16 |
| schestowitz | to avoid conflict of interest | Nov 23 19:16 |
| schestowitz | state will become just a stat | Nov 23 19:16 |
| schestowitz | and then you break/kneecap the Ts | Nov 23 19:16 |
| schestowitz | sa | Nov 23 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Carter could have been a two term president in the 2000s, really, when you think about it. | Nov 23 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean, obviously he's still around, so.... | Nov 23 19:17 |
| schestowitz | south africa violence | Nov 23 19:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: long-distance air travel | Nov 23 19:17 |
| schestowitz | can't be too good for him now | Nov 23 19:17 |
| schestowitz | risky | Nov 23 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Democrats in Congress pushed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act and were most of the votes to override it after Reagan vetoed it. | Nov 23 19:19 |
| vZS1 | Anybody think Sanders will give it another shot? | Nov 23 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No. | Nov 23 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He might get a cabinet position. | Nov 23 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some were saying Secretary of Labor or something. | Nov 23 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wouldn't surprise me if he got it. | Nov 23 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Presidents usually hand these things out to their friends or for people who did them a favor, and Bernie did bow out and endorse Biden and campaign for him. | Nov 23 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's certainly possible he gets something. | Nov 23 19:21 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The news says the AstraZeneca vaccine is another success. I don't know how 70% effective is a success in light of the others. | Nov 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | BBC says | Nov 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | that's all I heard | Nov 23 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If we had a sane system, they'd make as many doses of the others as possible and ignore this thing. | Nov 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | BBC = bill gates | Nov 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | that 'solution' is also Gates-sponsored, for his profit | Nov 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | So I am already very sceptical | Nov 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | they just try to catch up with Pfizer marketing | Nov 23 19:25 |
| schestowitz | lots of taxpayers' money up in the air | Nov 23 19:25 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/10/25/donald-trump-and-bill-gates/ | Nov 23 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trump Helped Bill Gates Increase His Wealth by More Than 50%, Especially During the Pandemic | Techrights | Nov 23 19:26 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Hmm, I suppose I'd better eat the rest of that Hawaiian Chicken tomorrow. Mandy told me to make a bunch, so I did, and now we still have too much left. Tomorrow is day 4, so.... | Nov 23 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was just remembering mom telling me that my grandmother would leave food out for 2-3 days on top of the oven and still try to feed it to people. | Nov 23 19:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said when she was a child they got food poisoning all the time and it never occurred to her that her mother wasn't real careful with the leftovers. | Nov 23 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | spoiled meat is risky | Nov 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | the kinds of germs it can attract | Nov 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | no amount of spices can undo the damage | Nov 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | unless you're into bulimia-type diets | Nov 23 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My rule is usually past 4 days in the fridge, toss it out, regardless. | Nov 23 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527131-newsom-family-quarantining-after-exposure-to-chp-officer-who-tested | Nov 23 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Newsom, family quarantining after exposure to COVID-19 | TheHill | Nov 23 19:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Good. | Nov 23 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gavin Nuisance can finally get the embarrassment he really deserves. | Nov 23 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Looks like the Walmart employee discount is being quietly extended to more grocery items. | Nov 23 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems that as long as you buy Great Value canned vegetables, the "produce" discount now applies to those. | Nov 23 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Still worth the drive to Aldi though, to stock up. | Nov 23 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For some reason, while the prices between the two are not normally more than a few pennies from each other, Aldi does way better on canned goods. | Nov 23 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I did notice a big price increase at Walmart yesterday. | Nov 23 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 24 pack (cans) of Pepsi products all went from $6.48 to $7.48. | Nov 23 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe because of the aluminum. | Nov 23 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard that Coke was killing off slow moving brands to free up capacity. I wonder if that's the end for Fresca. | Nov 23 19:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I was unable to drink that for years because of the medications I was on. | Nov 23 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My parents took me to all of these psychiatrists and most of them are hacks. | Nov 23 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And of course the consensus was attention deficit disorder. | Nov 23 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they put me on Ritalin and then when that made me worse, they kept me on it for years, and then later on I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. | Nov 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I am doing a long post atm | Nov 23 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Let's give amphetamines to someone with bipolar. That'll work out well. | Nov 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | might not be a good moment to highlight me much (notifications) | Nov 23 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ah, well, my main point here was the aluminum shortage. It should be interesting how that bubbles up into stuff. | Nov 23 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Inflation, alternative material, etc. | Nov 23 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I noticed that Samsung got rid of the glass backing from the Galaxy S20 FE, dunno about the others. | Nov 23 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One less thing to crack, I guess. | Nov 23 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They seem to be backing away slowly from Apple's chintzy components. | Nov 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess people in the Android segment have a lot to choose from and when the back of your phone just shatters for no reason, kind of pisses you off. | Nov 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/11/23/opinion/23Hasen/merlin_179869695_f5985179-5df5-4d16-897d-38da99da034a-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp | Nov 23 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-team-congressional-democrats-strike-quick-stimulus-deal-gop-2020-11 | Nov 23 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Biden team pushing Democrats to strike quick stimulus deal with GOP: report - Business Insider | Nov 23 19:53 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought it was pretty bizarre that Mitch McConnell was refusing to pass anything. | Nov 23 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he handed Trump a huge stimulus bill it may have moved the needle and they wouldn't be dealing with Bye Don next year. | Nov 23 19:54 |
| Ariadne | i bought an internet of shit oven | Nov 23 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/white-house-christmas-tree-2020/index.html | Nov 23 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-White House Christmas tree arrives, continuing tradition amid Covid-19 and election disputes - CNNPolitics | Nov 23 19:55 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if this will be another Tim Burton Christmas special. | Nov 23 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those horrid looking tree-like objects the first year. Remember that? | Nov 23 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It shows Melania in the picture. I thought she wanted an annulment this year. | Nov 23 19:57 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/6286839a0373fe0d.jpg | Nov 23 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: time could not be better | Nov 23 19:59 |
| schestowitz | after having fire incident in the DC | Nov 23 19:59 |
| schestowitz | let's hook up a 1000 mw machine to "smart" | Nov 23 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Technically, this does have an effect. | Nov 23 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: By worsening the climate conditions minutely and thus welcoming another hurricane. | Nov 23 20:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/opinions/reverend-warnock-religious-left-graves-fitzsimmons/index.html | Nov 23 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Opinion: Georgia Senate race reminds Republicans they don't have a lock on 'God talk' - CNN | Nov 23 20:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're going after his religious belief against military service because the military kills people, apparently. | Nov 23 20:05 |
| CrystalMath | idk, Warnock has good talking points | Nov 23 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Republicans....the party of Gawd..... | Nov 23 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Have to kill lots of people to be Gawdly. | Nov 23 20:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 20:06 |
| MinceR | they're emulating the hero of their favorite fable | Nov 23 20:06 |
| MinceR | who also liked to kill lots of people | Nov 23 20:06 |
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| CrystalMath | since i'm anti-military and anti-israel, i tend to agree with Warnock on this one | Nov 23 20:09 |
| CrystalMath | even though i'd like a GOP senate, to block corporate "great resets" and medicare expansion | Nov 23 20:10 |
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| CrystalMath | maybe you people here like medicare, and i get that, though i still want you to understand my concerns against socializing healthcare | Nov 23 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of this will simply go through with executive action. | Nov 23 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden can declare national emergencies and there's no way Republicans have the votes to cancel any of them. | Nov 23 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | but you do realize that the democrat agenda with the great reset is really evil, right? | Nov 23 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: and you support that? | Nov 23 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, you know, the Supreme Court says it's fine. | Nov 23 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All so Trump could build 40 miles of border fence that has fallen down or been cut through like swiss cheese already. | Nov 23 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | do *you* support the crap they're doing? | Nov 23 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Consequences! | Nov 23 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | leave the silly pettiness aside | Nov 23 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is the reason why Biden will be so successful. | Nov 23 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump got the courts to set new limits to power he wasn't competent enough to use fully. | Nov 23 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But....Biden and his cabinet are. | Nov 23 20:18 |
| CrystalMath | and is that good? | Nov 23 20:18 |
| CrystalMath | it sounds like you're openly calling for a dictatorship of all things that are anti-freedom | Nov 23 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, but you want someone to blame, blame the Republicans. They tore down our institutions to enable Trump and what they got was 4 years of not a hell of a lot. | Nov 23 20:19 |
| CrystalMath | excuse me but don't you freaking live in that country | Nov 23 20:20 |
| CrystalMath | you can't let it slide, no matter what administration is in power | Nov 23 20:20 |
| CrystalMath | who cares about blame | Nov 23 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, hopefully they learn their lesson and pass new laws limiting the president and sneak them into must pass bills. | Nov 23 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But they won't because they think they can win the next election. | Nov 23 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Nov 23 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every president has been more powerful than the last one for quite some time now. | Nov 23 20:21 |
| CrystalMath | what i don't understand is how you are fine with the destruction of your country | Nov 23 20:21 |
| CrystalMath | to prove republicans are bad | Nov 23 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's what comes about when each one tests the limits of their powers, and when their party rules the day and backs that up and sets a terrifying new limit that the next guy also has. | Nov 23 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democrats didn't move to terminate Section 215 until they were concerned that Trump would abuse it to spy on the Biden campaign. | Nov 23 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Notice that? | Nov 23 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And that's just one very small part of what the president had. | Nov 23 20:23 |
| CrystalMath | this is just like standing and watching your house burn and saying "well i hope my family will learn a lesson in there, not to leave flammable materials around heat" | Nov 23 20:24 |
| CrystalMath | it's sickening | Nov 23 20:24 |
| CrystalMath | it's psychopathic | Nov 23 20:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It amuses me that my parents did this and now they're going to get everything they feared on immigration, student loan forgiveness, the environment...You name it. | Nov 23 20:26 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/1f6b2fbbcc832f5f.mp4 | Nov 23 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It never would have been possible. I mean. The courts took a dim view of the Clean Power Plan as an EPA rule, but now it comes back as a national emergency. | Nov 23 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nice. | Nov 23 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As far as what Roy mentioned, the electoral college system suits the campaigns fine. | Nov 23 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can focus their campaigns on like maybe 5 states. | Nov 23 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Having to campaign and persuade and find voters in all 50 states and DC would be a disaster for them. | Nov 23 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would spread them thin and they'd have to many places they'd have to spend money and make stops. | Nov 23 20:29 |
| CrystalMath | right, the electoral college isn't bad | Nov 23 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It also stopped Trump, I might add. | Nov 23 20:30 |
| CrystalMath | america's too big to be a direct democracy | Nov 23 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the end, he only had regional appeal under the electoral system. | Nov 23 20:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The electoral system stops a candidate who does very well in just one swath of the country from bulldozing the other one in the popular vote and declaring victory. | Nov 23 20:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, screw every uhmerican who lives in a non-battleground state | Nov 23 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In a direct system, you'd triage too. | Nov 23 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd blow up the airwaves in population centers and then that would be the end of that. | Nov 23 20:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it would turn into an election in mostly in California and Texas. | Nov 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which might not be better than having 5 swing states that represent a larger cross section of demography. | Nov 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now, that might well change soon. | Nov 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Campaigns are getting a lot better at micro-targeting voters, and a lot of that, unfortunately, is the product of the tech companies like Facebook. | Nov 23 20:33 |
| MinceR | maybe this wouldn't happen if you didn't run FPTP races in gerrymandered districts | Nov 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump had built up a huge intelligence operation in Florida and targeted areas for turnout and suppression in 2016. | Nov 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And with what they learned then, they were able to take the state by a huge margin this time. | Nov 23 20:33 |
| CrystalMath | florida has become really cool | Nov 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mitt Romney's campaign had a disastrous breakdown with their voter turnout software. | Nov 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it happened at pretty much the worst time. A nationwide crash on election day itself. | Nov 23 20:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's pretty funny video | Nov 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | either baby or some breed of it I never saw | Nov 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm of the opinion that not voting is still voting. | Nov 23 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're saying you don't want to take part in this, but what you're really doing is punting the decision to your neighbors, who may well have people who are not well informed and who aren't very intelligent in the majority that cycle. | Nov 23 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You might say hey it doesn't matter, but it does matter. They do nasty camps and eugenics operations on people in ICE custody. | Nov 23 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Emergency hysterectomies" so that "those people" can never have kids even after the regime is gone. | Nov 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We'll never be able to undo the 11,537 "emergency hysterectomies" that were done on women in ICE custody, against their rights as human beings. | Nov 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump might be gone, but the crimes this administration has committed against humanity are permanent. | Nov 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | that many? | Nov 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | 11,537? | Nov 23 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hundreds of kids who will never see their parents again because the government doesn't know what it did with them. | Nov 23 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. | Nov 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | 666 kids | Nov 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | last I hearrd | Nov 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | heard | Nov 23 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't know and it doesn't want to know. | Nov 23 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Murica | Nov 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump planned to deport them "somewhere" in the second term he'll never have. | Nov 23 20:39 |
| schestowitz | bombing for peace | Nov 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And now they're effectively orphans. | Nov 23 20:39 |
| MinceR | well, bombing for peace could work | Nov 23 20:39 |
| schestowitz | foe the planet | Nov 23 20:39 |
| schestowitz | *for | Nov 23 20:39 |
| MinceR | but then in that case there would be no humans around anymore to enjoy the peace | Nov 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is sick and this is wrong. An immigration offense is a misdemeanor. It's supposed to be a fine and maybe you get deported. | Nov 23 20:39 |
| MinceR | possibly also no other eukaryotes either | Nov 23 20:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What this administration has done is unforgivable. | Nov 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | 70+ million Murican adults voted for MOAR of it | Nov 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | and those are chirstians | Nov 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | against other chirstians | Nov 23 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Making people leave is one thing, but orphaning kids and involuntarily sterilizing people is not okay. | Nov 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | typically central murican catholics | Nov 23 20:40 |
| schestowitz | imagine what they'd do to "japs" and Arabs | Nov 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | we already saw | Nov 23 20:41 |
| CrystalMath | is there any evidence that the US involuntarily sterilized people? | Nov 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | in the 1940s | Nov 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: lots | Nov 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | it's a century old agenda, too | Nov 23 20:41 |
| CrystalMath | you can't really blame Trump then | Nov 23 20:41 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ | Nov 23 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBM’s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights | Nov 23 20:41 | |
| schestowitz | US partly inspired the Nazi Party | Nov 23 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Atlanta Metro area will have two new gigantic voting centers in the Senate runoffs that were not available in the November election. | Nov 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | US oligarchs (of of them) funded the Nazi Party | Nov 23 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Could tip the balance. | Nov 23 20:42 |
| MinceR | we can't blame twitler for his part in the resurgence of nazism? | Nov 23 20:42 |
| MinceR | interesting | Nov 23 20:42 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i don't think we can | Nov 23 20:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ignore | Nov 23 20:42 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i think the US democratic party is fascist, and always has been | Nov 23 20:42 |
| MinceR | probably is | Nov 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not worth the hassle | Nov 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm proud of defeating Donald Trump. | Nov 23 20:43 |
| MinceR | but the "republican" party is even more fascist | Nov 23 20:43 |
| CrystalMath | these things could be remnants of Obama | Nov 23 20:43 |
| CrystalMath | after all he also had ICE cages | Nov 23 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This guy is so repulsive and such an affront to civilized society that even with Joe Biden, we're better off. | Nov 23 20:43 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: it is probably not a single person's responsibility | Nov 23 20:43 |
| CrystalMath | i'm not saying Trump is good, i'm saying he's better | Nov 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The Michigan board of Canvassers is taking all fucking goddamned day with this. | Nov 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't get it. State law gives them no choice. | Nov 23 20:44 |
| MinceR | maybe they're paid by the hour | Nov 23 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They do not have any authority other than to sign off on the vote tallies and accept whatever the counties have certified. | Nov 23 20:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: by the minute | Nov 23 20:45 |
| CrystalMath | some signatures are rescinded | Nov 23 20:45 |
| schestowitz | there's a connotation associate with the latter | Nov 23 20:45 |
| CrystalMath | they need to talk about that | Nov 23 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the law says that if they do not, they have committed a misdemeanor unless they do not have certified results from every county, which they do. | Nov 23 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <CrystalMath "some signatures are rescinded"> No they aren't. | Nov 23 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rescission came after the certification deadline. | Nov 23 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're invalid. | Nov 23 20:45 |
| CrystalMath | still something to talk about | Nov 23 20:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's really not. | Nov 23 20:46 |
| CrystalMath | especially in the face of widespread election fraud | Nov 23 20:46 |
| CrystalMath | and threats | Nov 23 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Playing into this delusional fantasy that is going on is wrong. | Nov 23 20:46 |
| MinceR | like how cheeto hitler sabotaged the USPS? | Nov 23 20:46 |
| schestowitz | the fraud lost this election | Nov 23 20:46 |
| MinceR | that sort of fraud? | Nov 23 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There certainly was no fraud big enough that it could reverse Biden's win in Michigan. | Nov 23 20:46 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: well, if it was me, i would insist that mail voting is illegal, i'd get rid of it right in 2017 | Nov 23 20:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only accusation I heard from this nitwit on the board was over 600 votes. | Nov 23 20:46 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: it wasn't you | Nov 23 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is still 155,000 too few to change the outcome even if he was absolutely correct. | Nov 23 20:47 |
| MinceR | and the "republicans" only decided that mail voting was bad this year | Nov 23 20:47 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i think it's stupid to allow mail voting and thene sabotage the USPS | Nov 23 20:47 |
| CrystalMath | *then | Nov 23 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're asking courts to throw out all mail ballots. | Nov 23 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is not gonna happen. | Nov 23 20:47 |
| MinceR | well, Agent Orange is indeed stupid | Nov 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | no, he knows what he does | Nov 23 20:47 |
| schestowitz | malicious | Nov 23 20:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That alone is why none of these lawsuits will succeed. | Nov 23 20:48 |
| MinceR | tantrums? | Nov 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | dumb also, but that misses the point | Nov 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | stupid implies ignorance and no ill-intent | Nov 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their proposed remedy is so drastic that no court will go along with it. | Nov 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | he's riling up extremists | Nov 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | yeah, my dad was sending me rapid fire emails. | Nov 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | to accomplish a violent coup or intimidation tactics | Nov 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About how Trump really won. | Nov 23 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had to add him to my spam list. | Nov 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 23 20:48 |
| schestowitz | carl farmer -> shitlist | Nov 23 20:49 |
| MinceR | there was also some whining about diebold/premier/dominion's shitty voting machines | Nov 23 20:49 |
| MinceR | but those were in use since 2004 or even before | Nov 23 20:49 |
| MinceR | and it's a problem only in 2020? | Nov 23 20:49 |
| CrystalMath | you know what i'd like to know? | Nov 23 20:49 |
| CrystalMath | who actually won the election, if there was no fraud | Nov 23 20:49 |
| schestowitz | wait till biden takes office and then twitler says covid19 sia real crisis | Nov 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | and that biden is not handling it well | Nov 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | like he mocked obama for gov. shutdown | Nov 23 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Democrats will find the Chair of GSA in contempt of Congress if she doesn't stop this and sign off on the transition soon. | Nov 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | then faked a crisis to do one of his own | Nov 23 20:50 |
| schestowitz | in early 2019 | Nov 23 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And Biden's DoJ absolutely will prosecute it. | Nov 23 20:50 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: that kinda started already | Nov 23 20:50 |
| MinceR | well, considering that all the polls said biden had a lead and he got the popular vote too, i'd say it's pretty certain that he would have won | Nov 23 20:50 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: it's classic politician stuff, i don't know if you can blame Trump for that | Nov 23 20:50 |
| MinceR | the Moscovian Candidate really doesn't have a case | Nov 23 20:50 |
| CrystalMath | or at least i'm used to it | Nov 23 20:50 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: the polls are really untrustworthy | Nov 23 20:51 |
| CrystalMath | everywhere | Nov 23 20:51 |
| MinceR | yes, we should only trust Steaming Dump's gut feelings, because _those_ are infallible | Nov 23 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know if Biden will win in 2024. It's too far out there and he hasn't even done anything as president yet. | Nov 23 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But he did win this election, and we know that for certain. | Nov 23 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the Republicans want to win they need to come back with a candidate that's good enough to win and an argument that most people agree with at that point. | Nov 23 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But maybe they'll fuck that up like they often do. | Nov 23 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nominate someone who talks about how good rape is and godly even. | Nov 23 20:52 |
| MinceR | biden might be in trouble in 2024, since he might not be up against the only person he was picked to defeat :> | Nov 23 20:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like Indiana or Missouri in 2012. | Nov 23 20:53 |
| CrystalMath | well what i'm looking for in a republican president | Nov 23 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or an actual rapist of theirs who also managed to lose Alabama in 2017. | Nov 23 20:53 |
| CrystalMath | or a democrat president.... | Nov 23 20:53 |
| MinceR | there might even be a "republican" candidate who is less authoritarian and less rightwing extremist, since they're so close | Nov 23 20:53 |
| CrystalMath | is being anti-regulation, anti-globalism, anti-war, etc... | Nov 23 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The foreshadowing of Trump's loss was went on in the interim. | Nov 23 20:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Republicans managed to totally fuck up an easily winnable midterm. | Nov 23 20:54 |
| CrystalMath | what i'm always looking for in a politician is libertarianism, pure and simple | Nov 23 20:54 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: so, "third party"? | Nov 23 20:54 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: yeah but tactical voting is not bad | Nov 23 20:54 |
| CrystalMath | someone of the two mandatory parties will be better | Nov 23 20:54 |
| CrystalMath | i think this year that was Trump | Nov 23 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I vote third party sometimes, but never when a Republican could credibly win an election. | Nov 23 20:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might break from that next year and vote for a Republican as Mayor of Waukegan. | Nov 23 20:54 |
| CrystalMath | Trump checked off anti-globalism, anti-regulation, and anti-war | Nov 23 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I'm going to support a different Democrat in the primary first and see what happens. | Nov 23 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Our current mayor, Gropey McGropeface, and his thug department that collaborates with ICE? Nope. | Nov 23 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not doing it. | Nov 23 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | theoretically there could be a democrat who is anti-globalism, anti-regulation, and anti-war | Nov 23 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | there just never was so far | Nov 23 20:56 |
| CrystalMath | Jimmy Carter comes close | Nov 23 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Some immigration reform at the local level, it seems. | Nov 23 20:57 |
| CrystalMath | i think you all made a huge mistake by hating Trump | Nov 23 20:58 |
| CrystalMath | and i predict that you will see that | Nov 23 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The State's Attorney-Elect, Eric Rinehart, said he would work with the courts to try to vacate some findings of Guilt for non-violent offenders who could conceivably be deported due to their conviction records. | Nov 23 20:58 |
| CrystalMath | maybe even by 2022 | Nov 23 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which would make it impossible for ICE to move to have them deported. | Nov 23 20:58 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: yes, my feelings are oh so powerful | Nov 23 20:58 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: power is irrelevant, the important thing is being right | Nov 23 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there's opportunity here to deny ICE hundreds of potential deportation victims. | Nov 23 20:58 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: at least to me ;P | Nov 23 20:58 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it's better to die being right than to live being wrong, even to rule being wrong | Nov 23 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A victory is wherever you can find it, MinceR | Nov 23 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've learned that much. | Nov 23 20:59 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: if that were true, neither the "democrats" nor the "republicans" would have any control over anything | Nov 23 20:59 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: most likely all our efforts will be in vain | Nov 23 20:59 |
| MinceR | most humans want life on Earth to go extinct | Nov 23 21:00 |
| MinceR | and it probably will | Nov 23 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some Republicans told me that there was no victory in electing people who would stall and stifle Trump. | Nov 23 21:00 |
| MinceR | it would have been up to our species to save it | Nov 23 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the thousands or millions of people who avoided deportation or didn't lose their healthcare because of the resistance might disagree with that. | Nov 23 21:00 |
| MinceR | and our species is both too stupid and too evil for the job | Nov 23 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like Hungary is a total loss. | Nov 23 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Single party state, unlikely to change. Democracy completely broke down there. | Nov 23 21:01 |
| MinceR | yup | Nov 23 21:01 |
| MinceR | and it's taking down the rest of the EU | Nov 23 21:01 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think the EU is necessary | Nov 23 21:01 |
| CrystalMath | the individual countries that make it up can be just as good | Nov 23 21:01 |
| MinceR | i mean including the member states | Nov 23 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | oh | Nov 23 21:02 |
| MinceR | they can, but they aren't | Nov 23 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In its current form, I don't think it should go on. | Nov 23 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | that won't happen | Nov 23 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's mostly bureaucracy and taxes and regulation, and it's not helping people much. | Nov 23 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | the netherlands will live on, germany wil live on | Nov 23 21:02 |
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| CrystalMath | france will live on | Nov 23 21:02 |
| MinceR | germany is already in danger, as the CFU rules it | Nov 23 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's certainly not very democratic, and it doesn't care if its own member states have any democratic ideals. | Nov 23 21:02 |
| MinceR | and the shitty situation in hungary is in part the CFU's doing | Nov 23 21:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The EU has been corrupted by too many bad actors. | Nov 23 21:03 |
| MinceR | and those bad actors came from the member states | Nov 23 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The UK left but there's so many more that are corrupting it that it's probably not salvageable and anyone who has anything worth saving about their country needs to leave it now. | Nov 23 21:03 |
| MinceR | the UK is doomed either way | Nov 23 21:03 |
| MinceR | since it's ruled by tories | Nov 23 21:03 |
| schestowitz | 'ruled' | Nov 23 21:04 |
| MinceR | and it will get worse once scotland leaves it | Nov 23 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Germany uses it as a way to control monetary policy and export their unemployment problem. | Nov 23 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | CFU? | Nov 23 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | both germany and france are currently ruled by fascists | Nov 23 21:04 |
| MinceR | Christian Fundamentalist Union | Nov 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | 13 people arrested for not wearing masks i liverpool yesterday (ish) | Nov 23 21:04 |
| MinceR | they call themselves "CDU" and "CSU" | Nov 23 21:04 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: this is the fascism you wanted | Nov 23 21:04 |
| schestowitz | you vote for fascism | Nov 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't | Nov 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | you endorse that | Nov 23 21:05 |
| CrystalMath | i didn't vote | Nov 23 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know the irony with parties and states that say Democratic and People's is that there's no democracy and that the people control nothing. | Nov 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | ICE kidnapping protester into unmasked vans | Nov 23 21:05 |
| MinceR | which is why north korea has both | Nov 23 21:05 |
| MinceR | so you know it's extra shitty | Nov 23 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I might just go back to writing articles for now | Nov 23 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Not just protesters, American citizens! | Nov 23 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it is legal, because they are law enforcement and can technically enforce any federal laws. | Nov 23 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But generalized law enforcement is extremely unusual from an agency like that. | Nov 23 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He could have sent the DEA out after them, if he wanted to. | Nov 23 21:06 |
| MinceR | well, it's what can be expected when humans receive power over other humans | Nov 23 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or the IRS special agents. | Nov 23 21:06 |
| MinceR | especially if they're made to believe that said power is legitimate | Nov 23 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump needed thugs. He wanted thugs that not only would cooperate but would gladly do so. | Nov 23 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And he found them at ICE. | Nov 23 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what happened and that's why ICE was out there and not the IRS or the DEA. | Nov 23 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the state and city wouldn't lift a finger to help their own people. | Nov 23 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's even more alarming if you ask me. | Nov 23 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That should have been a constitutional crisis. | Nov 23 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That NEEDED to go before the courts. | Nov 23 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It didn't, and if Oregon isn't going to force the issue, nobody is. | Nov 23 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump created a lot of constitutional crises that never got resolved, and we're all the worse off for it. | Nov 23 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least he doesn't get four more years of it. | Nov 23 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whether you think Biden pardoning $50,000 per student loan is fair or not, the law says he can. | Nov 23 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's certainly not sending ICE vans out to kidnap college students and sterilize them. | Nov 23 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So at least there's that. | Nov 23 21:11 |
| CrystalMath | we'll all see how wrong you all were when Biden bans free software | Nov 23 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has rejected the Trump campaign’s effort to block the counting of certain absentee ballots clearing the way for those ballots to be counted in multiple counties, including Philadelphia." | Nov 23 21:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden is not going to ban Free Software. | Nov 23 21:12 |
| MinceR | also, if he's planning to do that, he'd better hurry up because there isn't going to be any free software for long | Nov 23 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First of all, if there's anything good likely to come out of divided government and divided chambers of Congress, it's that this is a taller hill for things like EARN IT to climb. | Nov 23 21:12 |
| MinceR | and we aren't going to be allowed to own computers that could run it for long | Nov 23 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're going to see the same alliance between the Tea Party and the CPC that trashed Section 215 block this, I think. | Nov 23 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Free Software is banning itself because money talks, and Microsoft still has what, in Free Software circles amounts to....lots of money. | Nov 23 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i really hate that Trump did 0, nay, -1, to save us from that | Nov 23 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And now they're dealing with IBM on Red Hat, and Canonical. | Nov 23 21:14 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: it's to be expected. twitler has no idea what that even is. | Nov 23 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who want to show that they can make quarterly profit without any regard for Free Software at all, or even the long term health of their own businesses. | Nov 23 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CEOs who plan things out for 10 or 20 years and miss out on quarterly results to get there don't last long. | Nov 23 21:15 |
| MinceR | i suspect none of the geriatrics in charge of that two-party system have any clue | Nov 23 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why so many of these private equity firms absolutely refuse to go public with their companies. | Nov 23 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll be ravaged for whatever short term traders can strip them down for and it will completely gut their ability to think long term. | Nov 23 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even Microsoft doesn't plan long term. | Nov 23 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They plan quarterly and they throw ridiculous amounts of money into something that fizzles out but juices the stock price for a little while. | Nov 23 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has rejected the Trump campaign’s effort to block the counting of certain absentee ballots clearing the way for those ballots to be counted in multiple counties, including Philadelphia." | Nov 23 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Michigan Board of Election Canvassers just voted 3-1 to certify Biden's win. | Nov 23 21:24 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/81a6cbfd7478a5f7.jpg | Nov 23 21:30 |
| CrystalMath | Michigan is a fascist state | Nov 23 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | with a fascist governor who must be thrown out | Nov 23 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | i mostly base this on what they did this year in april | Nov 23 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bye Don | Nov 23 21:33 |
| CrystalMath | the important thing is that Whitmer loses in 2022 | Nov 23 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She's not going to. | Nov 23 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was a 155,000 vote margin of victory for Joe Biden. | Nov 23 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whitmer will easily win a second term. | Nov 23 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | she banned the sale for fresh fruit and vegetables | Nov 23 21:35 |
| CrystalMath | *sale of | Nov 23 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uh, what are you talking about? | Nov 23 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can go into any supermarket and buy some. | Nov 23 21:35 |
| CrystalMath | yes she did that during covid | Nov 23 21:35 |
| CrystalMath | during the lockdown | Nov 23 21:35 |
| CrystalMath | that's why people had an armed protest | Nov 23 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois is back on Phase 3 of the mitigation plan. | Nov 23 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm fine with that. | Nov 23 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like schestowitz said, what am I doing differently other than it forces me to save money by cooking my own food? | Nov 23 21:36 |
| CrystalMath | well that's not insane, banning the sale of fresh fruit is insane | Nov 23 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't really plan to start eating out much again even if they ever do get this under control somehow. | Nov 23 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty obvious that while face masks are slowing it down, they're not slowing it down enough. | Nov 23 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's one thing that we can do, to slow it down a little, but our hospitals are still totally overwhelmed and running out of ICU beds. | Nov 23 21:37 |
| CrystalMath | that's why Whitmer has to go, if Michigan has 1 neuron left, they'll vote her out | Nov 23 21:37 |
| CrystalMath | maybe for a different democrat, i don't care | Nov 23 21:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, it's like that episode of SG-1 with the alien plant. MinceR ^ | Nov 23 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The masks. Remember when the scientist says it seems to like light, and O'Neill turns the light switch off, and the guy says "Well, it seems like if any part of it is exposed to light, the rest can grow. | Nov 23 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they turn the entire base down to emergency lighting only to slow it down a little while they figure something out. | Nov 23 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's masks and the Coronavirus. | Nov 23 21:39 |
| CrystalMath | was that plant threatening in any way? | Nov 23 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And because it isn't stopping COVID-19 dead in its tracks, we have these right-wing morons out there going "Masks don't work!". | Nov 23 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it was. It was overtaking the base and would have gotten out and completely ruined the planet too. | Nov 23 21:40 |
| CrystalMath | because COVID-19 looks like it's nothing | Nov 23 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not nothing, and from what we know, if we don't stop it, people will just keep getting it again and again until it kills them or the damage piles up. | Nov 23 21:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So that's not good. | Nov 23 21:40 |
| CrystalMath | most people have no damage from it | Nov 23 21:40 |
| CrystalMath | the formation of syncitia someone mentioned here only happens in symptomatic medium or high severity cases | Nov 23 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that's like saying you know people who smoke and they don't seem damaged. | Nov 23 21:41 |
| CrystalMath | i checked the paper | Nov 23 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not everything bad is visible all at once. | Nov 23 21:41 |
| CrystalMath | i should really start smoking | Nov 23 21:41 |
| CrystalMath | i've been meaning to for a while now | Nov 23 21:41 |
| CrystalMath | i've been working up to it by passive smoking | Nov 23 21:42 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aqqKCgcXInJhjzlBrLDtbnhN/message.txt > | Nov 23 21:42 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | --- | Nov 23 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And with that, Trump's scattershot nonsense to steal the election goes from highly unlikely to impossible. | Nov 23 21:43 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: i'm not using the 'smart' capability. the new oven is more energy efficient than the oven i got initially. | Nov 23 21:43 |
| CrystalMath | also i don't know anyone who died after having a first time asymptomatic/mild COVID-19 infection | Nov 23 21:44 |
| CrystalMath | is there any such documented case? | Nov 23 21:44 |
| Ariadne | what about the people they spread it to unknowingly who then die? | Nov 23 21:44 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: we're discussing whether it's dangerous, not whether it spreads | Nov 23 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems about 3-4% of those who get it end up dying in the end. | Nov 23 21:44 |
| Ariadne | what's mild for you, is probably not mild for grandma | Nov 23 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you're getting 200,000 people a day who are confirmed to have it, eventually 6,000-8,000 of those people are going to die one day a couple weeks later. | Nov 23 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: it would seem.... but it's quite likely that cases are undercounted | Nov 23 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | where i live, the doctors say they are | Nov 23 21:45 |
| Ariadne | ok lmao | Nov 23 21:45 |
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| schestowitz | he does not care about grandma | Nov 23 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | the number of cases is 5 times bigger than the reported number of cases | Nov 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | he wants many people to die | Nov 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | he admits it | Nov 23 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it's pretty clear nobody working at the CDC under this administration knows or cares what the truth is. | Nov 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | while reading unabomber 'literature' | Nov 23 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | not from COVID-19 though, schestowitz | Nov 23 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | because COVID-19 is useless for depopulation | Nov 23 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | it barely kills anyone | Nov 23 21:46 |
| Ariadne | well, life is a sexually-transmitted condition that ends in death | Nov 23 21:46 |
| Ariadne | soooo | Nov 23 21:46 |
| Ariadne | :) | Nov 23 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | it's literally unnoticable | Nov 23 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | onl 1.5 million (and that's rounded upwards) died | Nov 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Under their theory during summer that 90% of cases went undetected, everyone should have had it by now, and certainly we shouldn't be seeing a couple hundred thousand a day for weeks on end, so far. | Nov 23 21:46 |
| Ariadne | 250k dead is noticeable vs flu which normally kills 50k yearly | Nov 23 21:46 |
| Ariadne | that is 5x more | Nov 23 21:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it hasn't even been a year under COVID. | Nov 23 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i'm quite sure the flu kills more than that | Nov 23 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By the time it has been a year, about 450,000 Americans will be dead from it, that we have confirmed. | Nov 23 21:47 |
| Ariadne | i'm talking in the US | Nov 23 21:47 |
| Ariadne | not globally | Nov 23 21:47 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: oh | Nov 23 21:47 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: well yes i would say that COVID-19 has a death rate of 0.7% | Nov 23 21:47 |
| CrystalMath | which should make it 7x worse than the flu | Nov 23 21:47 |
| CrystalMath | 350,000 a year is to be expected | Nov 23 21:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom has some N95 masks set aside for work now, so my concern about her is still there, but it's good that she's not relying on those cheap surgical masks anymore. | Nov 23 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those COVIDiots that she works with, with their masks under their noses, brought it into the facility again. | Nov 23 21:48 |
| Ariadne | well anyway, if you want to kill your grandma with COVID, that's your business i guess | Nov 23 21:48 |
| Ariadne | i'll be abiding by health guidelines myself | Nov 23 21:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now they have a wildfire situation going on and she won't listen to me to resign and take early retirement now. | Nov 23 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i don't have a single living grandma, not for decades now | Nov 23 21:48 |
| Ariadne | ok, if you want to kill other peoples' grandmas | Nov 23 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think US deaths from COVID-19 will not pass 300,000 | Nov 23 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | err | Nov 23 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | i dhink US deaths from COVID-19 will not pass 300,000 | Nov 23 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | i think US deaths from COVID-19 will not pass 300,000 | Nov 23 21:49 |
| Ariadne | ok | Nov 23 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | finally typed it right | Nov 23 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eh, I'd say about 1-2 out of every 100 people I see in Walmart are not wearing their mask or are using it as a chin diaper. | Nov 23 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I give them a very wide berth. | Nov 23 21:49 |
| Ariadne | every epidemiologist says 400k minimum | Nov 23 21:49 |
| Ariadne | but sure | Nov 23 21:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I like to stay at least 15 or 20 feet away when I see them. | Nov 23 21:49 |
| Ariadne | whatever you say, my dude | Nov 23 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: the current count is 250,000 | Nov 23 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | rodolpho[m]: with about 700/day | Nov 23 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | not enough days left | Nov 23 21:50 |
| Ariadne | the death rate is not linear | Nov 23 21:50 |
| CrystalMath | 38 days left until the end of the year, you need 150,000 deaths | Nov 23 21:50 |
| CrystalMath | that would be almost 4,000/day | Nov 23 21:50 |
| CrystalMath | never seen | Nov 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | xmas doesn't end it | Nov 23 21:50 |
| CrystalMath | it's higher than the peak deaths per day | Nov 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | the virus has no deadline | Nov 23 21:50 |
| schestowitz | many high-profile people get re-infected | Nov 23 21:50 |
| CrystalMath | x-mas is too late in the year to get people to die in 2020 | Nov 23 21:50 |
| Ariadne | ok | Nov 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | now Mo Salah the footballer | Nov 23 21:51 |
| Ariadne | so they die in 2021 | Nov 23 21:51 |
| Ariadne | they die either way | Nov 23 21:51 |
| CrystalMath | and i was right | Nov 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | so it's not over once you beat it the first time | Nov 23 21:51 |
| CrystalMath | less than 30,000 in 2020 | Nov 23 21:51 |
| CrystalMath | err | Nov 23 21:51 |
| CrystalMath | *300,000 | Nov 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | like ordinary flu, just more lethal and we don't have vaccines for it | Nov 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | anyway, debating with eugenicists is a waste of time | Nov 23 21:51 |
| Ariadne | i don't think it is unreasonable to abide by public health guidelines (when they make sense) | Nov 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | or nihilists | Nov 23 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | i'm not a eugenicist | Nov 23 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | but i am a nihliist | Nov 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | because you have different working assumptions | Nov 23 21:52 |
| MinceR | 23 224436 < Ariadne> what about the people they spread it to unknowingly who then die? | Nov 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath WANTS people to die | Nov 23 21:52 |
| MinceR | well, you should know by now that people who were already born have no right to life :> | Nov 23 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | but not some | Nov 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | he enjoys it | Nov 23 21:52 |
| schestowitz | we don't | Nov 23 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | only all | Nov 23 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | and through not breeding | Nov 23 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | the church of euthanasia does not endorse ANY violence | Nov 23 21:52 |
| CrystalMath | i've always been consistently anti-war here | Nov 23 21:52 |
| Ariadne | for example, the bay area lockdown forcing people to isolate in their own home (instead of with a companion) did not make much sense. | Nov 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | biological war | Nov 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | that's also a war | Nov 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | you suggest letting a lethal thing overwhelm hospitals | Nov 23 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | it's not a war if nature does it | Nov 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I might need a hospital one day | Nov 23 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | a hurricane is not a war | Nov 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | and they hardly have beds left | Nov 23 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | a tsunami is not a war | Nov 23 21:53 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: i support euthansia, but i dn't support people dying needlessly of COVID-19. | Nov 23 21:53 |
| schestowitz | soon they'll do December sub-zero camps outside for excess patients | Nov 23 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: that is really tragic, and sad | Nov 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | tsunamis are not spread by idiots who call themselves nihilists | Nov 23 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | they should just send COVID-19 patients home as 80% don't require treatment | Nov 23 21:54 |
| Ariadne | they do | Nov 23 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I sent my dad two emails. | Nov 23 21:54 |
| Ariadne | i had COVID-19 in april, they sent me home and told me to isolate | Nov 23 21:54 |
| MinceR | they should just close all hospitals and end all healthcare because the majority of humans don't require treatment | Nov 23 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One subject "Bye Don" with the Michigan and Pennsylvania news. | Nov 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | we have a quarter million covid patients hospitalised now in the UK | Nov 23 21:54 |
| Ariadne | the people who are there really need to be there | Nov 23 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then another one "Bye Don Part II - Elite Strike(out) Team". | Nov 23 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: leave it open for those who do, and the 20% of COVID-19 cases | Nov 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | so if I break a leg or something I don't expect to get much medical treatment, not as a priority | Nov 23 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With this. | Nov 23 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump is worried that his campaign’s legal team, which is being led by his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, is composed of “fools that are making him look bad,” NBC News reported Monday. | Nov 23 21:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/trump-fears-giuliani-and-other-biden-vote-challenge-lawyers-are-fools.html | Nov 23 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump fears Giuliani and other Biden vote challenge lawyers are fools | Nov 23 21:55 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Send in the clowns | Nov 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 23 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | i think Trump's fears may be justified :P | Nov 23 21:55 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath also makes trump supporters "look like fools" | Nov 23 21:56 |
| schestowitz | and deadly ones, too | Nov 23 21:56 |
| Ariadne | the COVID patients that get hospitalized need to be there, because they need oxygen | Nov 23 21:56 |
| Ariadne | if you show covid symptoms, but have oxygen saturation above 90% they send you home | Nov 23 21:58 |
| Ariadne | and tell you to isolate | Nov 23 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I went from considering myself fairly moderate and tough on immigration to having a hard wake up call under this administration, you know, especially with the immigration part, because whatever most of these people did, it wasn't bad enough to get treated like this. | Nov 23 22:00 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i'm far from a typical Trump supporter | Nov 23 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If someone sneaks into the country, cite them, banish them, fly them back. Okay, with some exceptions. | Nov 23 22:01 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: most of them appear to be religious, for example | Nov 23 22:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But these "detention camps" are certainly the worst thing we've had in this country since Japanese-American internment. | Nov 23 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It must stop. | Nov 23 22:02 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: i doubt Biden will stop them | Nov 23 22:02 |
| CrystalMath | he didn't stop them 2008-2016 | Nov 23 22:02 |
| CrystalMath | he could have | Nov 23 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And my parents don't even want to see what they did. | Nov 23 22:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They couldn't live with themselves if they acknowledged that there's not much daylight between them and the people who brought Hitler to Germany. | Nov 23 22:03 |
| CrystalMath | all that will change is that the media and big tech will stop talking about it | Nov 23 22:03 |
| CrystalMath | but it carries on | Nov 23 22:03 |
| CrystalMath | because wasn't great in 2008-2016 | Nov 23 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We weren't shooting at pregnant women at the border under Obama, as memory serves. | Nov 23 22:04 |
| CrystalMath | it needed someone to make it great again, and Trump didn't do it | Nov 23 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't say I remember chemical weapons attacks against picketers either. | Nov 23 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump and his whole family deserve to burn in hell. Failing that, I'm certainly glad to see New York move to deal with them. | Nov 23 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's way past time. | Nov 23 22:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got voted out, and now we'll lock him up. | Nov 23 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ironically just what his supporters were chanting about Hillary. | Nov 23 22:05 |
| CrystalMath | Hillary should be locked up | Nov 23 22:05 |
| Ariadne | why? | Nov 23 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's lucky that I'm not the presiding judge at his case. I'd sentence him to hard labor until he fucking died from it. | Nov 23 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | for what she did while she was secretary of state Ariadne | Nov 23 22:06 |
| xvx | why does Barron deserve to go to hell | Nov 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <CrystalMath> Hillary should be locked up | Nov 23 22:06 |
| Ariadne | which was what | Nov 23 22:06 |
| xvx | poor boy | Nov 23 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | regarding Syria | Nov 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | then ivalka trump also | Nov 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | for same thing | Nov 23 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: oh, did Ivanka Trump invade Syria to kill Gaddhafi? | Nov 23 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | err | Nov 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | According to John Bolton, Donald knew it and threw a fuse to distract from that Ivanka scandal | Nov 23 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | lol | Nov 23 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | i'm worse than biden now | Nov 23 22:06 |
| Ariadne | so hillary should be locked up because you disagree with american foreign policy? | Nov 23 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | and now i was sidetracked | Nov 23 22:07 |
| xvx | well DaemonFC[m]??? | Nov 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | afaik, those are confidentiality crimes | Nov 23 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | so i mean... | Nov 23 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | she didn't invade Libya | Nov 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | locking up people for that would requite jailing Kushners and Trumps | Nov 23 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | nor Syria | Nov 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | but the Trumps committed far bigger crimes | Nov 23 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, I meant him, Eric, Don Jr.... Mostly. | Nov 23 22:07 |
| Ariadne | hillary did not invade syria either. | Nov 23 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Barron is just an Asperger's patient and way too young to be criminally culpable for anything yet. | Nov 23 22:08 |
| Ariadne | that was the State. | Nov 23 22:08 |
| schestowitz | HRC is horrible, but it's not her who invaded libya and syria | Nov 23 22:08 |
| xvx | his niece Mary Trump deserves hell the most | Nov 23 22:08 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: the entire administration that invaded Libya should be put in prison | Nov 23 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They kept him away from the media because they didn't want to admit that he's on the spectrum. | Nov 23 22:08 |
| schestowitz | it's us congress, both parties | Nov 23 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that's more insulting to people with mental illness than it is anything. | Nov 23 22:08 |
| Ariadne | if we are proposing imprisoning people for poor State policy decisions, then Trump must be locked up too. | Nov 23 22:08 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: no, just for wars | Nov 23 22:09 |
| Ariadne | Trump has tried his best to start a war with Iran. | Nov 23 22:09 |
| CrystalMath | but he didn't do so | Nov 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | he was stopped | Nov 23 22:09 |
| CrystalMath | although the murder of Soleimani is indeed atrocious | Nov 23 22:09 |
| Ariadne | only because the Iranians have shown significant restraint. | Nov 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Obama did not start full wars, either | Nov 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | only covert ones | Nov 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | clandestine | Nov 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | or proxy wars | Nov 23 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The Republican National Committee and Michigan Republican Party sent a letter to the board of canvassers on Saturday asking them to delay certification for 14 days. They also asked for them to wait for an audit of the election results in Wayne County, the largest county in the state that includes Detroit -- even though state law doesn't allow that." | Nov 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Bush (GOP) did | Nov 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | with Biden's support | Nov 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | and Trump's as well | Nov 23 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Michigan Republicans urged the board to break the law. | Nov 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | though he lies about it now | Nov 23 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, that's nice, isn't it? | Nov 23 22:10 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: Trump supported the war on Iraq, as a democrat? | Nov 23 22:10 |
| Ariadne | yes | Nov 23 22:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gee, let's just follow the laws we agree with and ignore the rest. Nothing bad ever happens from that, does it? | Nov 23 22:10 |
| Ariadne | in 2004, he did | Nov 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | he was never a democrat | Nov 23 22:10 |
| Ariadne | he claims he did not now | Nov 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | another Trump lie | Nov 23 22:10 |
| CrystalMath | yes he was schestowitz, he was a member of the democratic party | Nov 23 22:10 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: that one is true, actually. | Nov 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | when D was in power he pretended to be on their side | Nov 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | while filing his endless bankruptcies | Nov 23 22:11 |
| CrystalMath | when Bush was in power Trump was a democrat | Nov 23 22:11 |
| Ariadne | trump switched parties in 2012 | Nov 23 22:11 |
| Ariadne | to run for president as a republican | Nov 23 22:11 |
| Ariadne | then again in 2016 | Nov 23 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's no coming back from this. There's no pending cases left in Nevada or Arizona, so they certify next. | Nov 23 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Georgia and Michigan both certified for Biden already. | Nov 23 22:11 |
| CrystalMath | i think Biden fairly won in NV and AZ | Nov 23 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There just aren't enough electoral votes left out there for Trump to steal this election. | Nov 23 22:11 |
| CrystalMath | but MI and GA were stolen | Nov 23 22:12 |
| CrystalMath | and so was PA | Nov 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | it's over for hikm | Nov 23 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if he pulled a rabbit out of his ass in Wisconsin and/or Pennsylvania. | Nov 23 22:12 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: stolen how? | Nov 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | but nonchalance can still help him incite his base | Nov 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | thinking it was Biden who stole the election | Nov 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | birtherism 2.0 | Nov 23 22:12 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: they didn't allow republicans to look over the counting | Nov 23 22:12 |
| Ariadne | that is not theft | Nov 23 22:12 |
| Ariadne | and, they were allowed | Nov 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | they sent armed people | Nov 23 22:12 |
| Ariadne | it was random idiots trump riled up on twitter | Nov 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | to watch over counters | Nov 23 22:12 |
| Ariadne | who were not allowed | Nov 23 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nancy Pelosi did her job pretty well, actually. | Nov 23 22:13 |
| schestowitz | like in some Nicaraguan 'election' | Nov 23 22:13 |
| Ariadne | hell no she didn't | Nov 23 22:13 |
| schestowitz | never saw such a thing before | Nov 23 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Trump's "the first" | Nov 23 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She ran his presidency into the rocks and impeached him. | Nov 23 22:13 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: also the dominion voting system is probably ripe for rigging | Nov 23 22:13 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: and voting by mail as a whole (not just this year) | Nov 23 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | As House Speaker, she could have blocked the impeachment. | Nov 23 22:13 |
| Ariadne | voting by mail is more secure than voting in person | Nov 23 22:13 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: absolutely not! | Nov 23 22:13 |
| Ariadne | absolutely so. | Nov 23 22:13 |
| CrystalMath | absolutely not, it's a disaster | Nov 23 22:14 |
| CrystalMath | here it's absolutely forbidden | Nov 23 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why would a government where Republicans run everything use compromised software that only stole the election for Biden and didn't win the Democrats both Senate seats and majority control of the state government while it was at it? | Nov 23 22:14 |
| CrystalMath | if someone can't go to vote in person, the state goes to that person's home | Nov 23 22:14 |
| Ariadne | ballots are securely tracked, and must match personally identifying information on file with the election board. | Nov 23 22:14 |
| CrystalMath | to get a clear vote from them | Nov 23 22:14 |
| Ariadne | really, it's secure. | Nov 23 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It just makes no sense. If you're going to steal an election, you'd just steal the election. | Nov 23 22:14 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: you're not thinking far enough | Nov 23 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You wouldn't stop at one item. | Nov 23 22:14 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: you see, there's a good reason why where i live, it's illegal to take pictures of your ballot | Nov 23 22:15 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: why? because that could serve as proof that you voted - which could grant you benefits | Nov 23 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a law like that in Illinois, but it's struck down. | Nov 23 22:15 |
| MinceR | 23 231327 < CrystalMath> Ariadne: also the dominion voting system is probably ripe for rigging | Nov 23 22:15 |
| CrystalMath | if you vote at hoe,t here's no way to stop that | Nov 23 22:15 |
| MinceR | 23 214908 <@MinceR> there was also some whining about diebold/premier/dominion's shitty voting machines | Nov 23 22:15 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: what am i missing? please, explain. is there a secret room filled with jews who tamper with the ballot? | Nov 23 22:15 |
| MinceR | 23 214917 <@MinceR> but those were in use since 2004 or even before | Nov 23 22:15 |
| MinceR | 23 214922 <@MinceR> and it's a problem only in 2020? | Nov 23 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a felony, but the state Supreme Court ruled that banning ballot selfies is unconstitutional. | Nov 23 22:15 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: no, i'm talking about paying people to vote one way or the other | Nov 23 22:15 |
| Ariadne | and they can't do that in person? | Nov 23 22:15 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: not if you ban people from taking cameras into the voting booth | Nov 23 22:16 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i think that's the only way... no cameras, no nothing, scanned before entry | Nov 23 22:16 |
| Ariadne | you assume that i care about proof | Nov 23 22:16 |
| CrystalMath | the people who pay good money care | Nov 23 22:16 |
| MinceR | apparently the weaknesses of the system are impossible to abuse in favor of those that people like CrystalMath want to win | Nov 23 22:16 |
| Ariadne | yes, and those people are who exactly? | Nov 23 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I reported a Republican who took a ballot selfie with a ballot marked Trump to the Cook County state's attorney. | Nov 23 22:16 |
| MinceR | it's only a problem when cheeto hitler loses | Nov 23 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They couldn't do anything because the law against it had been struck down. | Nov 23 22:16 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: no i have ALWAYS been against voting by mail | Nov 23 22:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Utah only does elections by mail. | Nov 23 22:17 |
| MinceR | and oceania has ALWAYS been at war with eastasia | Nov 23 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't be surprised if at least several more states go mail elections only in the next cycle or two. | Nov 23 22:17 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: over here it happens a lot | Nov 23 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It saves them a lot of money. | Nov 23 22:17 |
| Ariadne | if i was going to pay people to vote, i would just bake in some margin of people who would vote against the candidate i wanted to win. | Nov 23 22:17 |
| Ariadne | so, let me get this straight. | Nov 23 22:17 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: it could happen over there, we're all people | Nov 23 22:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's a big thing in Illinois right now since the progressive tax measure failed. | Nov 23 22:17 |
| Ariadne | where you live, it is illegal to prove you voted some way or another. | Nov 23 22:18 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: yes | Nov 23 22:18 |
| Ariadne | but yet, people are buying votes. | Nov 23 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a lot of things the state does stupidly that waste money. | Nov 23 22:18 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: right, people break the law here all the time | Nov 23 22:18 |
| MinceR | 23 231501 < CrystalMath> Ariadne: you see, there's a good reason why where i live, it's illegal to take pictures of your ballot | Nov 23 22:18 |
| Ariadne | "happens all the time" | Nov 23 22:18 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: they take pictures anyway | Nov 23 22:18 |
| MinceR | 23 231513 < CrystalMath> Ariadne: why? because that could serve as proof that you voted - which could grant you benefits | Nov 23 22:18 |
| MinceR | twitler's fanboys are eliminating the equivalent of that law in hungary right now | Nov 23 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like the legislature is going to have to look into doing some trimming, but I voted for the progressive tax because no amount of trimming is going to fix the budget completely. | Nov 23 22:18 |
| Ariadne | CrystalMath: so i ask, why can't they do that with in-person voting? | Nov 23 22:18 |
| MinceR | funny, isn't it? | Nov 23 22:18 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: because taking pictures should be illegal and should be controlled better | Nov 23 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think we need to look into local government consolidation more than anything. | Nov 23 22:19 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: but it's the government that does the election stealing, so they don'tcare | Nov 23 22:19 |
| Ariadne | how do you propose they control this? | Nov 23 22:19 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i say put a scanner people must walk through | Nov 23 22:19 |
| CrystalMath | no electronics allowed | Nov 23 22:19 |
| CrystalMath | super sensitive for even the tiniest amount of metal | Nov 23 22:19 |
| CrystalMath | an atom of metal should set it off | Nov 23 22:19 |
| MinceR | do you think people with pacemakers would all vote against Agent Orange? | Nov 23 22:19 |
| Ariadne | and so, grandma with the hip replacement is nominated for a full body cavity search just to vote? | Nov 23 22:20 |
| MinceR | or people with other metal implants, for that matter | Nov 23 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think Illinois should do all mail elections. | Nov 23 22:20 |
| CrystalMath | they'd have to bring proof of those | Nov 23 22:20 |
| CrystalMath | to be exempt | Nov 23 22:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We could save about $150 million in the next 10 years that way. | Nov 23 22:20 |
| MinceR | ah, so people paying people to vote for your enemies will also hand out such papers | Nov 23 22:20 |
| Ariadne | so then how do you prevent the people with pacemakers from cheating? | Nov 23 22:20 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: they're not a majority | Nov 23 22:20 |
| Ariadne | yeah they have a pacemaker, but then they also have a nokia 3320 shoved up their ass. | Nov 23 22:21 |
| CrystalMath | no one will pay just them, it's futile | Nov 23 22:21 |
| MinceR | what a coincidence, the contested votes aren't a majority either | Nov 23 22:21 |
| MinceR | and the votes Steaming Dump won with in 2016 weren't a majority either! | Nov 23 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I updated my registration. I might ask for a mail ballot for the local election early next year. | Nov 23 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I felt it was more urgent to vote this year. There was more at stake than who was going to be the mayor. | Nov 23 22:22 |
| Ariadne | anyway, as fascinating as this conversation has been, i need to get some actual work done. | Nov 23 22:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 22:22 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: well it isn't futile to try and grab Trump's demographic in america | Nov 23 22:22 |
| MinceR | stupid people? | Nov 23 22:22 |
| Ariadne | grab the Trump demographic by the pussy | Nov 23 22:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 22:22 |
| CrystalMath | i meant like, religious evangelicals | Nov 23 22:22 |
| MinceR | ah, so yes, stupid people. | Nov 23 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Nov 23 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll consider the Republican candidate again if they stop being an extremist party that is pandering to stupid people. | Nov 23 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | well... | Nov 23 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not likely, not impossible. | Nov 23 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it's important than someone stands up for the stupid people too | Nov 23 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | they've been really treated badly | Nov 23 22:23 |
| MinceR | their caretakers? | Nov 23 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | no they're not that stupid | Nov 23 22:23 |
| Ariadne | the last time we had stupid people in charge, we burned witches at the stake | Nov 23 22:23 |
| MinceR | are they? | Nov 23 22:23 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: that was just MA | Nov 23 22:24 |
| Ariadne | not just MA | Nov 23 22:24 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: they don't have caretakers | Nov 23 22:24 |
| Ariadne | MA is just the one people remember. | Nov 23 22:24 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: and that's a problem | Nov 23 22:24 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: they don't need caretakers, they're fine living by themselves | Nov 23 22:24 |
| MinceR | maybe the state should exist solely for stupid people | Nov 23 22:24 |
| CrystalMath | but they believe in things | Nov 23 22:24 |
| CrystalMath | i don't think they should be spit on | Nov 23 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | just for that | Nov 23 22:25 |
| MinceR | and by those things, they fuck up their own lives | Nov 23 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | sure, and everyone has the right to do that | Nov 23 22:25 |
| MinceR | and, given power over other people, they fuck up other people's lives too | Nov 23 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | you can't tell someone how to live | Nov 23 22:25 |
| Ariadne | see also: COVID-19 | Nov 23 22:25 |
| MinceR | which is why there shouldn't be any states | Nov 23 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | COVID-19 was not created by humans | Nov 23 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | that's a conspiracy theory | Nov 23 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | and it's false | Nov 23 22:25 |
| Ariadne | that wasn't what i was saying | Nov 23 22:25 |
| CrystalMath | so it's a natural virus | Nov 23 22:26 |
| Ariadne | the handling of COVID-19 has fucked up people's lives | Nov 23 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | it's organic | Nov 23 22:26 |
| Ariadne | ok? | Nov 23 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | nature is never wrong | Nov 23 22:26 |
| Ariadne | that's not the point | Nov 23 22:26 |
| Ariadne | the handling of COVID-19 has fucked up people's lives | Nov 23 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | not even when it says some people should die | Nov 23 22:26 |
| *MinceR is producing CO2 right now | Nov 23 22:26 | |
| MinceR | it's organic | Nov 23 22:26 |
| Ariadne | some people, sure, but as participants in nature, we must follow our own nature, and minimize human deaths | Nov 23 22:26 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: is it human nature to restrict your own life so that someone 90 can live to be 93? | Nov 23 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | if so, then screw human nature | Nov 23 22:27 |
| Ariadne | if that 90 year old is potentially my grandma, yes. | Nov 23 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | that's STUPID | Nov 23 22:27 |
| MinceR | it would be better to reduce birth rates | Nov 23 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | stupider than all the evangelism combined | Nov 23 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | yes but someone 90 | Nov 23 22:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Yes, but Bill Gates is offsetting his emissions by reducing other people's living standards and killing them early with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. | Nov 23 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | should be glad they even got to be 80 | Nov 23 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | even 70 | Nov 23 22:27 |
| CrystalMath | they shouldn't want a day more | Nov 23 22:28 |
| Ariadne | does not change the fact that their children do not want to see them die | Nov 23 22:28 |
| CrystalMath | because they don't understand that everybody dies? | Nov 23 22:28 |
| CrystalMath | because they WILL see it | Nov 23 22:28 |
| Ariadne | and are generally willing to take reasonable steps to minimize that | Nov 23 22:28 |
| MinceR | 23 232804 < CrystalMath> they shouldn't want a day more | Nov 23 22:28 |
| CrystalMath | which will be fruitless | Nov 23 22:28 |
| MinceR | human society is taking care of that | Nov 23 22:28 |
| *Ariadne shrugs | Nov 23 22:29 | |
| CrystalMath | i think that human society forgot to acknowledge its own limits | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | people MUST die | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | everybody | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | sooner or later | Nov 23 22:29 |
| MinceR | NOW! | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | no, not now | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | one day | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | :) | Nov 23 22:29 |
| MinceR | ok, then NOW! | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | hey, can't it be tomorrow? | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | i want to finish this track i'm making | Nov 23 22:29 |
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| MinceR | ok, it's only 31 minutes | Nov 23 22:29 |
| CrystalMath | dammit, i meant the day after tomorrow | Nov 23 22:30 |
| MinceR | too late | Nov 23 22:30 |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: i still think you get what i mean | Nov 23 22:33 |
| CrystalMath | it's not that everyone needs to die right now | Nov 23 22:33 |
| Ariadne | everybody's GOING TO DIE | Nov 23 22:33 |
| CrystalMath | it's that "population greed" and "longevity greed" needs to disappear | Nov 23 22:33 |
| CrystalMath | one should be happy with however many years they got | Nov 23 22:33 |
| CrystalMath | and trust nature | Nov 23 22:33 |
| MinceR | yes, your longevity greed needs to disappear | Nov 23 22:33 |
| CrystalMath | i don't have any | Nov 23 22:34 |
| MinceR | stop haggling for an extra day | Nov 23 22:34 |
| CrystalMath | i want to live 30 | Nov 23 22:34 |
| CrystalMath | years | Nov 23 22:34 |
| CrystalMath | that's all | Nov 23 22:34 |
| Ariadne | if you dont have longevity greed, why not end it right now? | Nov 23 22:34 |
| Ariadne | to not do so would be greedy | Nov 23 22:34 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: well i still have a few years left :P | Nov 23 22:34 |
| MinceR | that 90 year old grandmother that would die of COVID-19 has a few, too | Nov 23 22:34 |
| Ariadne | and the 90 year old may still have a few years left if they don't get COVID-19 | Nov 23 22:34 |
| CrystalMath | if i get covid and die before i hit 30 | Nov 23 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | that's fine | Nov 23 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | i trust nature's decision | Nov 23 22:35 |
| MinceR | it's insane to sacrifice the quality of our lives so that we can load this planet with a couple million more people | Nov 23 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it is | Nov 23 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: so why are we doing it with covid lockdowns??? | Nov 23 22:35 |
| MinceR | we aren't | Nov 23 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | covid lockdwowns reduce the quality of our lives | Nov 23 22:35 |
| CrystalMath | *lockdowns | Nov 23 22:35 |
| MinceR | we're buying time so that we can defeat SARS-CoV-2 and have more meaningful, quality time in our lives | Nov 23 22:36 |
| Ariadne | the point of the covid lockdown is not to preserve life, but to ensure the hospital system does not get DDoSed | Nov 23 22:36 |
| Ariadne | because if the hospital system gets DDoSed then everyone is screwed | Nov 23 22:36 |
| CrystalMath | that's a fair point, and i believed it until i realized that few covid patients actually need medical care | Nov 23 22:37 |
| Ariadne | the ones who do need medical care are still a non-trivial amount | Nov 23 22:37 |
| Ariadne | and even still | Nov 23 22:37 |
| Ariadne | overwhelming the hospitals with people who ultimately are discharged still takes away resources for triage of people who do need medical care | Nov 23 22:38 |
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| CrystalMath | Ariadne: well... maybe covid infected don't need to go at all | Nov 23 22:38 |
| Ariadne | i thought the covid lockdowns were stupid in march, until i thought about it systemically | Nov 23 22:39 |
| CrystalMath | *the covid infected | Nov 23 22:39 |
| Ariadne | maybe they don't | Nov 23 22:39 |
| Ariadne | but they will | Nov 23 22:39 |
| CrystalMath | they can stay at home | Nov 23 22:39 |
| Ariadne | because humans are taught if you're sick | Nov 23 22:39 |
| Ariadne | you go see the doctor | Nov 23 22:39 |
| CrystalMath | meh, not me | Nov 23 22:39 |
| CrystalMath | i don't | Nov 23 22:39 |
| Ariadne | that's you | Nov 23 22:39 |
| Ariadne | most do | Nov 23 22:39 |
| Ariadne | unless they know it is minor | Nov 23 22:39 |
| CrystalMath | i love nature and all its creatures *except* H. sapiens | Nov 23 22:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Giuliani, who was once a top federal prosecutor in Manhattan, also presided over the press conference at RNC headquarters, where he stood and watched Powell promote the campaign’s most far-fetched vote fraud allegations to date." | Nov 23 22:40 |
| CrystalMath | H. sapiens and all its descendants are a pest | Nov 23 22:40 |
| CrystalMath | one that should be exterminated from the planet | Nov 23 22:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it's hard to believe that he got a single conviction if this is what he was acting like then. | Nov 23 22:40 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: it seems that SARS-CoV-2 can infect many other mammals as well | Nov 23 22:40 |
| Ariadne | please start with yourself | Nov 23 22:40 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: that's inefficient | Nov 23 22:41 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: instead i'll support antihumanism among humans | Nov 23 22:41 |
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| CrystalMath | Ariadne: some plans however could turn H. sapiens into a tame animal that behaves | Nov 23 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | like anarcho-primitivism | Nov 23 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | if we all discarded all technology | Nov 23 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | we could stop being pests | Nov 23 22:43 |
| Ariadne | i don't want to hear about your BDSM sessions | Nov 23 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | lol, that's not what i meant :P | Nov 23 22:43 |
| MinceR | we could, by becoming extinct | Nov 23 22:43 |
| MinceR | we probably wouldn't even survive to see the Sun going red giant | Nov 23 22:44 |
| MinceR | we'd be taken out by an asteroid impact | Nov 23 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | the evil that humans do is called technology | Nov 23 22:44 |
| MinceR | no amount of praying would prevent it | Nov 23 22:44 |
| MinceR | no, the evil that humans do is called evil | Nov 23 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | that's stupid | Nov 23 22:44 |
| Ariadne | i would just like to point out that you allegedly work on ReactOS, a form of technology | Nov 23 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | it's vague | Nov 23 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.wsj.com/articles/gm-stops-backing-trump-administration-in-emissions-fight-with-california-11606160905?mod=hp_lead_pos4 | Nov 23 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GM Stops Backing Trump Administration in Emissions Fight With California - WSJ | Nov 23 22:45 | |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: i would just like to point out that you're using IRC, a form of technology, to send us these messages | Nov 23 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: we used to have political debates a lot in the team, especially when i'm around, but i ultimately decided to outsource them to the rest of IRC | Nov 23 22:45 |
| MinceR | so it would be less evil if you stopped | Nov 23 22:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM says their goals for fuel efficiency now "align with the incoming Biden administration" after years of backing Trump's attempt to gut California's fuel economy standards. | Nov 23 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | of course back then i was a socialist | Nov 23 22:46 |
| Ariadne | now you're just a national socialist | Nov 23 22:46 |
| Ariadne | got it | Nov 23 22:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: no, i'm a libertarian | Nov 23 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i don't believe in nationalism nor socialism | Nov 23 22:47 |
| MinceR | apparently many national socialists call themselves "libertarian" | Nov 23 22:47 |
| CrystalMath | what's nationalist, or socialist, about me? | Nov 23 22:47 |
| MinceR | your loud and constant support for a national socialist would be one | Nov 23 22:47 |
| CrystalMath | but the situation is so bad that Trump is the best choice | Nov 23 22:48 |
| CrystalMath | it's not my fault | Nov 23 22:48 |
| CrystalMath | i would have Jo Jorgenson as president of the US any day | Nov 23 22:48 |
| MinceR | yet we don't see you advertise them much here, do we? | Nov 23 22:48 |
| CrystalMath | i'm sure i mentioned her before | Nov 23 22:48 |
| CrystalMath | she's from illinois, just like DaemonFC[m] | Nov 23 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [22:27] <DaemonFC[m]> MinceR: Yes, but Bill Gates is offsetting his emissions by reducing other people's living standards and killing them early with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. | Nov 23 22:50 |
| schestowitz | ta savings for gates = 'charity' | Nov 23 22:50 |
| schestowitz | more tax breaks the billionaires = more 'philanthropy' | Nov 23 22:51 |
| schestowitz | for 'job creators' | Nov 23 22:51 |
| schestowitz | who 'trickle it all down' | Nov 23 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Jo Jorgenson on the ballot was the spoiler in Georgia. | Nov 23 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was not a stolen election. | Nov 23 22:51 |
| schestowitz | (down to offshore islands, tax havens) | Nov 23 22:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was that Trump pissed off just enough Republicans to register a protest vote instead of one for him. | Nov 23 22:52 |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: both Trump and Biden supporters accused Jorgenson of being a spoiler and causing their candidate to lose | Nov 23 22:52 |
| CrystalMath | the fact that both sides did so is proof that it's not really the case | Nov 23 22:52 |
| Ariadne | i was planning to do an amiga stream this weekend, but the WISP i had decided now was a good time to terminate operations | Nov 23 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | if you're a spoiler for both sides, then you're in the middle | Nov 23 22:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Biden would have still won the electoral college without Jorgenson, but he would have done so probably without Georgia and Wisconsin, which would take him down to 280 electoral votes. | Nov 23 22:53 |
| MinceR | or one of the sides is right and the other is wrong | Nov 23 22:53 |
| Ariadne | and i'm pretty sure viasat is unusable for streaming | Nov 23 22:53 |
| Ariadne | :) | Nov 23 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: well if Biden won, that would make the Trump side right | Nov 23 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: because then they had a "spoiler" | Nov 23 22:53 |
| Ariadne | biden did win | Nov 23 22:54 |
| Ariadne | please just shut up | Nov 23 22:54 |
| Ariadne | thanks | Nov 23 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | well i don't think it's over yet | Nov 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | [22:36] <Ariadne> the point of the covid lockdown is not to preserve life, but to ensure the hospital system does not get DDoSed | Nov 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | yes | Nov 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | which in turn can kill the young, too | Nov 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | infants even | Nov 23 22:54 |
| schestowitz | tragic and traumatic experience for young parents | Nov 23 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | it would indeed be tragic if doctors let people die because they were too busy treating the goddamned common cold | Nov 23 22:55 |
| MinceR | rejoice | Nov 23 22:56 |
| MinceR | they're not busy treating the common cold | Nov 23 22:56 |
| MinceR | they're busy treating COVID-19 | Nov 23 22:56 |
| MinceR | which is not the common cold | Nov 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | the common cold does not kill half a million Americans each year | Nov 23 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | COVID-19 is precisely the common cold i was referring to | Nov 23 22:57 |
| Ariadne | COVID-19 is not the common cold. | Nov 23 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | neither does COVID-19 schestowitz | Nov 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | and even more if the US didn't practice some distancing, masking etc. | Nov 23 22:57 |
| CrystalMath | it killed quarter of a million | Nov 23 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | and will maybe reach a third of it | Nov 23 22:58 |
| Ariadne | while some viruses that cause the common cold are coronaviruses, they are not SARS-CoV-2 | Nov 23 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | but not half | Nov 23 22:58 |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: SARS-CoV-2 isn't that different | Nov 23 22:58 |
| Ariadne | great | Nov 23 22:58 |
| Ariadne | well, it's different enough to be more lethal | Nov 23 22:58 |
| schestowitz | 55k deaths in uk https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 | Nov 23 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News | Nov 23 22:59 | |
| MinceR | does it make you feel better that what is making you suffocate in your own fluids is "not that different" from the one that wouldn't? | Nov 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | and when taken into account on year-to-year trend (indirect factors), maybe 100k soon | Nov 23 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | facutally | Nov 23 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | *actually | Nov 23 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | every coronavirus can be letahl | Nov 23 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | *lethal | Nov 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | 100k out of 69,000k | Nov 23 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | literally every single one has killed at least 1 person | Nov 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | one in 690 | Nov 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | in less than a year | Nov 23 23:00 |
| CrystalMath | Duvinacovirus killed exactly 1 in documented cases | Nov 23 23:00 |
| Ariadne | everything on this planet CAN be lethal | Nov 23 23:00 |
| Ariadne | talking to you CAN be lethal, because i wish to blow my brains out to make the stupidity end | Nov 23 23:00 |
| CrystalMath | what's stupid in what i'm saying? | Nov 23 23:00 |
| CrystalMath | i mean i can understand that it's a little harsh towards humanity | Nov 23 23:00 |
| CrystalMath | but why would it be stupid? | Nov 23 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: maybe he'll eventually kill himself at age 29 | Nov 23 23:01 |
| schestowitz | with IRC open in the background, coz 'tech sucks' | Nov 23 23:01 |
| Ariadne | i have sheep to feed, bbl | Nov 23 23:01 |
| MinceR | will the method of suicide also be "evil" technology? | Nov 23 23:01 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: idk, i'd likely go for a rope, or jumping head first towards solid concrete | Nov 23 23:02 |
| MinceR | rope and concrete are both technology | Nov 23 23:02 |
| CrystalMath | fine i can go mountain climbing or something | Nov 23 23:02 |
| MinceR | without any tools? | Nov 23 23:03 |
| MinceR | how will you get to the mountain? | Nov 23 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | okay i'll admit that was a little dumb of me | Nov 23 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | it is in fact pretty tough to do without technology | Nov 23 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | and i never really think about avoiding personal-use technology | Nov 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he'll use some 'tech' to come up with effective suicide methods | Nov 23 23:04 |
| CrystalMath | i advocate against that which requires massive organization | Nov 23 23:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 23:04 |
| CrystalMath | massive organization often leads to massive surveillance anyway | Nov 23 23:05 |
| CrystalMath | that's why it's so evil | Nov 23 23:05 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: is trade "massive organization"? | Nov 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Sinatra tried many times and failed | Nov 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm always baffled by people who stuff their heads in the oven | Nov 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | thinking they can kill themselves that way | Nov 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | as if reflexes will stop at will | Nov 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I heard that Ian Murdock had been suicidal before he finally killed himself | Nov 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | something about his wife Debbie being aware of it | Nov 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | the police tipped him over the edge | Nov 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | so he hung himself with electric cord on the stairs I think | Nov 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | from the vacuum cleaner or something | Nov 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | shirtless | Nov 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | technology | Nov 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | vacuum cleaner | Nov 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | sucked the life out of him | Nov 23 23:07 |
| CrystalMath | was he anti-tech? | Nov 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 23 23:07 |
| CrystalMath | i like head-first falls, it's like a reverse guillotine | Nov 23 23:08 |
| MinceR | brings you to life by putting your neck together? | Nov 23 23:09 |
| CrystalMath | heh | Nov 23 23:09 |
| Ariadne | http://rabbit.dereferenced.org/~nenolod/suicide-methods.txt seems relevant here | Nov 23 23:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 23 23:10 |
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| MinceR | > the actual use of any of these methods is not recommended without first considering other possibilities, such as dying of old age. | Nov 23 23:12 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 23 23:12 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/7cb3c90ce90b714a.mp4 | Nov 23 23:15 |
| CrystalMath | alt.suicide.holiday | Nov 23 23:17 |
| CrystalMath | that's my church's USENET | Nov 23 23:17 |
| CrystalMath | :) | Nov 23 23:17 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: RetroArch, PulseAudio, Anarch • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144692 [https://pleroma.site/objects/32d95fb1-d7c2-40c2-8965-b335025b4c91] | Nov 23 23:20 | |
| CrystalMath | (regarding AIDS) Available: Available to all for free | Nov 23 23:22 |
| CrystalMath | nice | Nov 23 23:22 |
| CrystalMath | i love the humor here | Nov 23 23:22 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KaOS 2020.11 Run Though http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144622#comment-27231 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d0ab629d-029c-48e4-80a9-6c06c45ddd03] | Nov 23 23:23 | |
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| Ariadne | AIDS at this point is a non-issue in almost all cases | Nov 23 23:27 |
| Ariadne | but that file is from the 90s | Nov 23 23:28 |
| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2203/ | Nov 23 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Prescience | Nov 23 23:32 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: yeah but you can still suicide if you don't treat AIDS | Nov 23 23:33 |
| CrystalMath | it's really painful though | Nov 23 23:33 |
| CrystalMath | pneumocystis pneumonia is not fun | Nov 23 23:33 |
| *schestowitz can't believe the channel became a debate on how to kill oneself | Nov 23 23:34 | |
| CrystalMath | Ariadne: i'm subscribed to a.s.h. btw | Nov 23 23:35 |
| CrystalMath | a shame it's sorta dead nowadays | Nov 23 23:36 |
| CrystalMath | one monthly post | Nov 23 23:36 |
| MinceR | maybe it committed suicide? | Nov 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | you beat me to this joke | Nov 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | the good thing about suicide forums is, | Nov 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | it's always ending up kind of dead | Nov 23 23:36 |
| schestowitz | suicide cults are a dying breed | Nov 23 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > * <@freenode_schestowitz:matrix.org> can't believe the channel became a debate on how to kill oneself | Nov 23 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One day at a time. The socially acceptable way. | Nov 23 23:37 |
| schestowitz | and so on | Nov 23 23:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Suicide used to be illegal, you know. | Nov 23 23:37 |
| MinceR | how did they punish those who committed suicide? | Nov 23 23:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In less enlightened times they'd have hanged you for it. | Nov 23 23:38 |
| CrystalMath | then they realized "wait a minute..." | Nov 23 23:38 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 23 23:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Carlin: "You notice it's never 'I think he's down there right now, looking up at us and screaming in agony.'". | Nov 23 23:40 |
| CrystalMath | https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=yfFs0o6pCxc | Nov 23 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | Ayds Diet Candy - Invidious | Nov 23 23:40 | |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 23 23:41 |
| CrystalMath | AIDS is the best appetite suppressant money can buy | Nov 23 23:41 |
| CrystalMath | and there's no stimulant in AIDS that could make you nervous! | Nov 23 23:42 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC7HwPh6Es | Nov 23 23:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Team America-EVERYONE HAS AIDS! - YouTube | Nov 23 23:42 | |
| CrystalMath | this video is even better: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=cjmxmHpBj4E | Nov 23 23:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | AIDS DIET CANDY COMMERCIAL - 1982 - Invidious | Nov 23 23:42 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/trump-appointee-informs-biden-that-gsa-will-begin-transition-process-reports-say.html | Nov 23 23:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump administration officially begins transition to Biden after weeks of delay | Nov 23 23:42 | |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 23 23:43 |
| CrystalMath | okay, so Biden won | Nov 23 23:43 |
| schestowitz | good | Nov 23 23:43 |
| CrystalMath | which means there will be a big challenge to maintain the freedom of invidiuals | Nov 23 23:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Sent dad another email. | Nov 23 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Bye Don transition begins as Trump tells GSA to cooperate with the President-Elect." | Nov 23 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Biblical. | Nov 23 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, and Rudy Giuliani as the Trash Can Man in Trump's plague horror novel, The Stand, complete with the Coronavirus. | Nov 23 23:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | -Ryan" | Nov 23 23:44 |
| CrystalMath | i mean, Biden can't be worse than Trudeau | Nov 23 23:44 |
| CrystalMath | and people still have some freedom in canada | Nov 23 23:45 |
| MinceR | did trudeau actually do anything? | Nov 23 23:45 |
| MinceR | i mean, that's still an improvement over harper... | Nov 23 23:45 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144693 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7010b12-6c38-475c-ac1d-adb7a21a51f4] | Nov 23 23:47 | |
| schestowitz | [23:44] <DaemonFC[m]> Yes, and Rudy Giuliani as the Trash Can Man in Trump's plague horror novel, The Stand, complete with the Coronavirus. | Nov 23 23:47 |
| schestowitz | lol | Nov 23 23:47 |
| CrystalMath | how can covid feature in a horror novel.... "it's 2020, a tiny fraction of the world population is dying" | Nov 23 23:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: by US standards both relatively harmless | Nov 23 23:48 |
| CrystalMath | it just doesn't have a very scary ring to it | Nov 23 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Harper is Canadian Republican | Nov 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | not US | Nov 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | where that label doesn't mean sterilising immigrants | Nov 23 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | i should get myself acquainted with canadian politics | Nov 23 23:49 |
| CrystalMath | screw those US hosers | Nov 23 23:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 23 23:49 |
| MinceR | you won't like it | Nov 23 23:49 |
| schestowitz | hicks: "kill yourselves!" | Nov 23 23:50 |
| CrystalMath | i like Alberta :) | Nov 23 23:50 |
| CrystalMath | it's pretty nice there eh | Nov 23 23:50 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the jesusland of canada | Nov 23 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Vancouver is supposed to be nice, but expensive... | Nov 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | lots of real estate scooped up there by foreigners | Nov 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I suppose as a safe haven for times of trouble, not mere investment | Nov 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | they get to see Soviet and USian nukes flying over their heads | Nov 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | but not landing on them | Nov 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Alaska might get some of those nukes (landing) | Nov 23 23:52 |
| CrystalMath | vancouver is not far from alaska | Nov 23 23:53 |
| CrystalMath | alberta is near the middle | Nov 23 23:53 |
| CrystalMath | safest | Nov 23 23:54 |
| CrystalMath | it's where the working class lives | Nov 23 23:54 |
| CrystalMath | ontario and BC are evil technocrat areas | Nov 23 23:54 |
| CrystalMath | so is quebec nowadays | Nov 23 23:55 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mobile/Desktop Convergence • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144694 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fa7e3844-9fc8-4c61-a352-7e23f3f6dadf] | Nov 23 23:55 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In an all out nuclear exchange, it's not like it'll be safe to be anywhere on the planet. | Nov 23 23:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump has removed us from a lot of anti-proliferation treaties. | Nov 23 23:59 |
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