●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Monday, November 23, 2020 ●● ● Nov 23 [00:00] DaemonFC[m] All of the self checkouts just crashed at Walmart. [00:02] DaemonFC[m] No meat specials today anyway. [00:04] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144650 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9c9d2074-8933-411d-9a40-815dd1886b74] [00:10] *willyg_cos has quit (Quit: Gone...) [00:18] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [00:25] *tr_guest|21478 (406d1209@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.64.109.18.9) has joined #techrights [00:31] DaemonFC[m] Looks like the canned Pepsi has gone up in price. [00:32] *tr_guest|21478 has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [00:33] schestowitz very techrights'y new ;-) [00:33] schestowitz many things are going up in price [00:34] schestowitz the currencies buy less [00:34] schestowitz and food still sells ● Nov 23 [01:29] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:30] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.200.148.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [01:51] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [01:51] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 23 [02:17] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.10-rc5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144651 [https://pleroma.site/objects/317de326-005c-4211-adab-a23d25885e55] [02:29] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:53] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) ● Nov 23 [06:26] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:41] *Blukunfando has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Nov 23 [07:15] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: App Highlight of the Week: Compare Files and Folders Graphically in Linux With Meld http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144652 [https://pleroma.site/objects/98d20969-a55e-4f53-ad76-25436d3fe626] [07:34] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:48] *tr_guest|81094 (1f2e7a62@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.31.46.122.98) has joined #techrights [07:49] *tr_guest|81094 (1f2e7a62@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.31.46.122.98) has left #techrights [07:54] *esaym153 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [07:56] *esaym153 (~esaym153@net153.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 23 [08:29] *notanamber (~luca@host-79-6-210-200.business.telecomitalia.it) has joined #techrights [08:32] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:32] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:36] *drdogcow has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:36] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:37] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [08:47] schestowitz https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=291638&sid=863793ff45f87f39f1003db705658f97&start=25#p1765314 [08:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Is learning to code more difficult if you don't speak English? - Page 2 - Raspberry Pi Forums [08:47] schestowitz :"" [08:47] schestowitz "Interesting factoid: "In the 1972 case Gottschalk v. Benson, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a lower court decision which had allowed a patent for converting BCD encoded numbers to binary on a computer. This was a landmark judgement, determining the patentability of software and algorithms."" [08:47] schestowitz zoobab: ^ [08:49] CrystalMath gosh [08:50] CrystalMath i can't believe someone tried to patent even that [08:50] CrystalMath what's next, patent on r squared times pi [08:50] CrystalMath patent on the pythagorean theorem [08:51] CrystalMath schestowitz: btw there was a french C thing for learning [08:53] CrystalMath it literally had si () { } sinon { } [08:53] CrystalMath :) [08:55] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:56] schestowitz oh wow ● Nov 23 [09:00] CrystalMath the french always find a way to get rid of english :P [09:03] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [09:26] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [09:45] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KaOS 2020.11 Linux Distro Released With A New Plasma System Monitor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144622#comment-27218 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec2adefa-9c6c-4bdc-8156-ed16b32a9737] [09:53] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144653 [https://pleroma.site/objects/984edc82-6e5b-4fb2-ad10-da4fb1bbe647] [09:56] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:655e:ef87:f909:8731) has joined #techrights [09:57] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 4MLinux 34.2 released. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144654 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c545a08b-635e-45e9-ab33-de503599a357] ● Nov 23 [10:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: User-hostile Hardware http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144655 [https://pleroma.site/objects/96ed9144-6a74-46d9-a3df-38678ff27cd3] [10:04] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Derek Taylor, Open Source Security and Full Circle Weekly News http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144656 [https://pleroma.site/objects/032df089-e39f-451b-a81c-b97eadc7c982] [10:34] *psydroid has quit (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM) [10:34] *BifrostBot[m] has quit (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM) [10:34] *chris_uk[m] has quit (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM) [10:34] *Blue_flame has quit (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM) [10:34] *rodolpho[m] has quit (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM) [10:34] *DaemonFC[m] has quit (Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM) [10:37] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:38] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:39] *tdemin (~tdemin@2a03:1ac0:6dc3:9367::2) has joined #techrights [10:41] *psydroid (psydroidma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-bwhveducrflhhbug) has joined #techrights [10:46] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [10:48] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:54] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144657 [https://pleroma.site/objects/72f66720-194a-4dab-acd7-a0681cdb73d3] [10:55] *chris_uk[m] (chrisukmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-njteqgawiwfqxudn) has joined #techrights [10:55] *BifrostBot[m] (bifrostmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-sikjeahfnqvfqewl) has joined #techrights [10:55] *DaemonFC[m] (daemonfcma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ozthfdaopaegsxlw) has joined #techrights [10:55] *rodolpho[m] (rodolphoma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-vsjwjheeprwfvpmo) has joined #techrights [10:55] *Blue_flame (kopynewmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-xgezklcbtfsgjiqr) has joined #techrights ● Nov 23 [11:00] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144658 [https://pleroma.site/objects/00507fb7-7046-4ad2-a717-445055e2b575] [11:06] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 23/11/2020: Linux 5.10-rc5, GIMP Turns 25, 4MLinux 34.2, Escuelas Linux 6.11, MPV Player 0.33 http://techrights.org/2020/11/23/gimp-turns-25/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [https://pleroma.site/objects/57e6e457-c42e-4b1a-b378-72b7adf155bd] [11:37] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [11:46] *Blukunfando (~bkf@167.red-88-11-215.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) has joined #techrights ● Nov 23 [12:08] *obarun has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:21] liberty_box https://www.autoevolution.com/news/android-will-take-over-the-car-world-beating-both-qnx-and-linux-151924.html [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Android Will Take Over the Car World, Beating Both QNX and Linux - autoevolution [12:21] schestowitz Microsoft propagandist and liar Bogdan Popa doesn't know Android has Linux in it. LOL! [12:40] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Review: ArchBang Linux 0111 su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144659 [https://pleroma.site/objects/383bbad4-4d9b-44a9-a3be-0d9eaa5b6bec] [12:40] oiaohm schestowitz: note that was 10 years into the future theory. That far out it possible there might be Android versions without Linux kernels.. [12:41] oiaohm Also that far out a lot of other things could happen. [12:42] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Reolink RLC-810A review A 4K security camera with people & vehicle detection http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144660 [https://pleroma.site/objects/494d1609-753c-4b1b-af40-3cd622df3840] [12:43] schestowitz oiaohm: you twist it [12:43] schestowitz today, 2020, android uses linux [12:43] schestowitz google gives lots of code to linux [12:43] schestowitz and linux, the kernel, grows for the growing demand from android market [12:44] schestowitz huawei, samsung, xiaomi... [12:44] schestowitz in 2021 this will not change [12:44] schestowitz google had a go at replacing linux, but it's not really going anywhere [12:44] schestowitz now they have a damage-limiting position that it was only for particular devices types [12:44] schestowitz google just doesn't like gpl [12:44] schestowitz because many downstream benefit from android work [12:45] schestowitz so you can run those 'android' devices with other oses [12:45] schestowitz many gnu/linux based [12:45] schestowitz and they get the devices drivers and all downstream [12:45] schestowitz if a big enough company like some chinese ones embark on the challenge, they can dethrone android [12:45] schestowitz some are already trying to do just that [12:46] schestowitz google will guard the spying monopoly (android in billions of pockets) like Microsoft shielded Windows for decades [12:54] psydroid so would that imply that locking bootloaders on most phones nowadays is actually based on a google imperative to prevent people from installing custom roms or even different operating systems on their android phones? ● Nov 23 [13:12] schestowitz google is not our friend [13:12] schestowitz but it's less of an enemy than apple and microsoft in that one particular aspect [13:13] schestowitz linux support, not privacy [13:13] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/08/20/gafam-and-gnu-linux/ [13:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | To GNU/Linux, the Operating System, GAFAM (Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft) is Not the Threat. Microsoft is. | Techrights [13:13] schestowitz Microsoft is the worst [13:13] schestowitz and if you didn't think so, you should after they stole ShitHub [13:13] schestowitz because it was obviously an attack not only on Linux [13:13] schestowitz but on GPL [13:13] schestowitz and on Free software in general [13:18] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kdenlive 20.08.3 is out su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144661 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ef69ace1-8c05-43ed-ad15-f77f63b20061] [13:20] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Plasma 5.20 & display scaling - Excellent su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144662 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7e7928f-bb78-4b71-b8f9-3081e9715135] [13:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144663 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a9a8841f-4712-4b0d-9f90-4a6e05e2167a] [13:23] *jrmu (jrmu@jrmu.peach.ircnow.org) has joined #techrights [13:26] psydroid it seems Microsoft people are as allergic to me as I am to them, so I would rule out that possibility at least [13:28] schestowitz it's mutual [13:28] schestowitz if you like free software [13:28] schestowitz they're antithetical to it [13:28] schestowitz so you are opposites [13:28] schestowitz if they LIKE you, as they might like today's SJVN, you know if you're a "useful idiot" to them [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] >> [21:36] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- The new M1 Macs make [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] >> cutting-edge, machine-learning workstations | ZDNet [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] >> [21:36] SJVN is bygone [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] > [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] > It's sad he decided to wrap up his career like that. He had been great [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] > for many years but no one new would know even a hint of that and most [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] > old people have long since forgotten out of irritation. [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] > [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] >> [21:36] and here's all in on the ZDNet "Script" [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] >> [21:36] inc. "Microsoft loves Linux" [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] >> [21:36] or Linux is "hard" [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] >> [21:36] Assimilation complete [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] > [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] > Same old M$ talking points. [13:29] schestowitz [08:32] Maybe he does not have a pension. And this is what keeps him employed at ZDCrap. [13:41] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:42] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [13:44] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Heart Forth, Alicia, Beyond Your Window, Alwas Legacy, GOverlay su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144664 [https://pleroma.site/objects/da6ab3f4-7ece-4974-ac91-cdff8863067f] ● Nov 23 [14:13] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ympd MPD Web based GUI su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144665 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a4814829-6244-4d9f-b7e9-1a804b55328f] [14:17] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: openmamba light with LXQt desktop su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144666 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fd4bd946-afd6-4bf5-b3fa-089bb762e60e] [14:18] *Achylles (~Achylles@177.45.205.205) has joined #techrights [14:18] *Achylles has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) [14:19] *Achylles (~Achylles@177.45.205.205) has joined #techrights [14:21] *Achylles has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) [14:23] *Achylles (~Achylles@177.45.205.205) has joined #techrights [14:25] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GParted Live 1.1.0-8 Stable Release su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144667 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c2e977cb-b5c3-4ed7-8f19-72151f69e21d] [14:28] DaemonFC[m] Most of those companies don't care if you use Linux and Google is making products with it. [14:29] DaemonFC[m] The Chromebook went from being this ridiculous web browser with "cloud print" to an actual computer. [14:29] DaemonFC[m] I'm sure that's keeping Microsoft up at night more than anything. [14:29] DaemonFC[m] Remember that they went on an ad blitz when the Chromebook was new and not all that great. [14:30] DaemonFC[m] They came up swinging because they realized that with some more iterations it could work very well and many people wouldn't want to deal with Windows anymore. [14:32] DaemonFC[m] All of the major problems with Chrome OS are solved and it's a papercut thing at this point, really, while Windows 10 continues to decay and gather incoherent and duplicative behaviors. [14:33] DaemonFC[m] Windows 10, bugs aside, is just not all that approachable anymore for a person who has no prior experience with it. The GUI isn't there. Windows 95 kept it really simple and it was a huge success because they listened to the usability studies that they commissioned. [14:34] DaemonFC[m] It seems few people do that anymore. GNOME claimed that usability studies were the reason why GNOME 3 behaves in such confusing and bizarre ways by default and why it's not obvious how to fix any particular thing. [14:34] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kodi 19.x Matrix - Beta 1 su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144668 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2a385d64-f4bb-44d6-afca-0ac8a920e736] [14:34] DaemonFC[m] Then when users demanded fixes, they shoved those fixes into its own app and then complained that if you fixed it then they couldn't guarantee that the system would work well and that's not what they would ever present by default. [14:35] DaemonFC[m] There's really nothing wrong with the traditional GUI and Chrome OS retains that, and the simplicity that you used to see in operating systems from 20 or 25 years ago. [14:36] DaemonFC[m] I think many of the Windows 10 marketing failures are that it's not at all pleasant to use or look at. [14:36] psydroid my youngest nieces and nephew don't even have Windows machines anymore for school or private use, just Android tablets and Chromebooks, so that already shows me what the current situation is like [14:36] DaemonFC[m] It's hard to get where you're going. [14:37] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, schools aren't using Windows anymore because it's an unmanageable nightmare when it's only on your PC, much less at scale. [14:38] DaemonFC[m] To pretend that there's anything particularly relevant about it at this point is pie in the sky stuff. The only reason it ships on anything is crooked "bribe in an apple pie" stuff to the vendors. [14:39] DaemonFC[m] Internally, Microsoft is well aware of that, which is why their financial statement shows they're bleeding cash right back out the front door to keep vendors from total revolt. Without the "rebates" and "incentives" (bloatware), there's just nothing to justify it to them. [14:39] DaemonFC[m] They're all down at the Walmart competing with each other to see who can knock the price $10 lower than the other guy. [14:40] DaemonFC[m] So Windows has a price and it doesn't have a price. [14:40] *jrmu (jrmu@jrmu.peach.ircnow.org) has left #techrights [14:41] DaemonFC[m] It would look bad if Microsoft just flat out admitted that the only reason they can get vendors to take it is because they rebate it down to nothing and then use bloatware to turn the price negative, so that they can spy on and advertise to you with it, and it's supposed to be this conduit for fleecing app developers with something that amounts to a tariff. An invisible tax you're really paying every time you use [14:41] DaemonFC[m] their "store". [14:42] DaemonFC[m] If Windows, as a product, was worth anything, they could charge people money for it and people would pay it, seeing that it added value to the hardware. [14:42] DaemonFC[m] That they can't. That they use this sleazy indirect way to make money from it, is quite frankly hilarious. [14:43] DaemonFC[m] That's one reason why the Microsoft hardware division has never had good numbers. [14:43] DaemonFC[m] They take the bloatware off and try to charge Mac prices or what have you, and it's a total disaster. [14:43] DaemonFC[m] It still doesn't work well, it's just not as bad in that configuration. [14:44] DaemonFC[m] I think that Google will probably continue to gain market share in the laptop market. [14:44] DaemonFC[m] I think this antitrust complaint will be dropped as soon as Biden's administration takes over. [14:45] DaemonFC[m] The new DoJ people can drop the charges and the court will dismiss it for want of prosecution. [14:45] DaemonFC[m] Now, the states might very well continue in their individual capacities, but even that's not guaranteed. [14:45] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYagO-nup6c [14:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Does cyanide actually smell like almonds? - YouTube [14:46] DaemonFC[m] The only reason they joined in was because Trump said to. [14:46] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:46] DaemonFC[m] I mean, Alabama vs. Google. Come on. [14:47] DaemonFC[m] I don't think that Google should be prosecuted, for the reasons stated in the DoJ complaint. [14:48] DaemonFC[m] I think they should be prosecuted for other reasons. There's very good reasons to prosecute them, and all of them were left out, and even if the federal government wins, none of the court's "remedies" will fix any problems that Google has made for the public marketplace. [14:49] DaemonFC[m] What they should be prosecuted for was in my complaint to the State of Illinois. [14:49] schestowitz MinceR: very interesting [14:49] schestowitz you can apparently make comics out of it [14:49] DaemonFC[m] Namely their Widevine CDM monopoly, their control and subversion of the web platform with Chrome, and and using Chrome to bolster their adtech. [14:49] schestowitz pure happiness [14:50] DaemonFC[m] All of those are real problems, and nobody is seeing this really. They just see the frontend. The browser that Google has unlimited money (From where? Nobody wonders.) to develop. [14:51] DaemonFC[m] It's funding a lot of good engineering projects, but then again....so does Facebook. [14:53] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I suppose it's really a mixed bag on court appointments for the next 4 years. [14:53] DaemonFC[m] The judges will probably be conservative leaning to get past the Senate but probably not as crazy and unqualified as Trump's. [14:54] DaemonFC[m] "Back to normal." [14:55] DaemonFC[m] A president has always, technically, been able to appoint anyone to the bench, regardless of whether they can't display any actual knowledge of basic legal concepts, but that hasn't been a "modern" thing until Trump got in and started doling them out as favors to campaign contributors and stuff. 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[16:26] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20081027 [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4814264) [16:36] *TTwrs has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:50] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:50] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [16:54] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc01:200:655e:ef87:f909:8731) has joined #techrights [16:56] *TTwrs (~TTwrs@c-67-169-185-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [16:58] *TTwrs has quit (Client Quit) ● Nov 23 [17:04] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kdenlive Video Editor 20.08.3 Released, How to Install via PPA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144661#comment-27223 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8062058c-dc97-42e0-8995-43a2bf8d4188] [17:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Linux distros for Windows users in 2020 su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144673 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9a1d09eb-e96c-4a3f-99df-3bae27556862] [17:11] DaemonFC[m] https://www.tomsguide.com/amp/news/forget-m1-macbooks-chromebooks-may-abandon-intel-too [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomsguide.com | Forget M1 MacBooks: Now Chromebooks are ditching Intel, too | Tom's Guide [17:11] schestowitz makes sense [17:11] DaemonFC[m] "So, maybe Google has bigger plans for its Chromebook line beyond Google Docs and web browsing." [17:12] schestowitz but those do not mean freedom? [17:12] DaemonFC[m] Sure, don't mention the Linux subsystem at all. [17:12] schestowitz in some ways, they can be even worse, like in Apple's case [17:25] vZS1 Chromebooks are pretty dangerous because they normalise reliance on software that doesn't live on the user's machine. [17:25] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU/Linux on Devices and Open Hardware su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144674 [https://pleroma.site/objects/05ef0735-eb60-4d8b-b8d8-93206acaf975] [17:25] vZS1 Just like most apps on smartphones [17:26] vZS1 F-droid software being an exception [17:27] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20082055 [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4837102) [17:28] vZS1 They do it pretty slyly. [17:28] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144675 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be215779-e246-41af-b319-ab475a503f4c] [17:28] vZS1 First "cloud storage", then apps, and slowly they encroach more and more. [17:29] vZS1 Soon enough they'll offer just a screen with something like a remote X11 session [17:29] vZS1 Smartphones and apps are near enough almost there [17:31] vZS1 People fall for the marketing too hard [17:32] vZS1 Look at the bills over something like 10 years. [17:32] vZS1 You see how much you get ripped off [17:33] vZS1 You don't own the hardware nor the software [17:33] vZS1 Perfect consumer trap [17:33] vZS1 Then they can charge whatever they want and make decisions at their whim [17:35] schestowitz MinceR: looks like tesco or sainsburys [17:35] schestowitz the yellow tag [17:36] schestowitz vZS1: not there are "HEY HI" chips [17:36] schestowitz I saw one puff piece 2 minutes ago [17:36] schestowitz no link [17:36] schestowitz the hardware is not "HEY HI" [17:36] schestowitz everything clown, everything smart, HEY HI [17:36] schestowitz Better get on with the programme/times [17:36] schestowitz or you might be 'dumb" [17:37] schestowitz here https://www.tfir.io/simplemachines-launches-mozart-ai-chip/ [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tfir.io | SimpleMachines Launches Mozart AI Chip | TFiR: News, Interviews & Analysis shows hosted by Swapnil Bhartiya, covering the confluence of Cloud Native Computing, AI/ML & Security. [17:37] schestowitz hey hi [17:37] vZS1 Don't listen to me. I'm dumb. :D /s [17:38] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/20082030 [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4836002) [17:38] vZS1 I ordered a new UPS today. Saw a pretty good unit that will protect my desktop and other units. [17:40] vZS1 1200W unit [17:41] vZS1 Got to wait a little while for all the extension cables. Had to get the heavy duty stuff. [17:42] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Vulkan Ray Tracing su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144678 [https://pleroma.site/objects/781cc69f-d3e0-44b8-9f98-1e265805699e] [17:45] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kdenlive Devs Fix Multitude of Bugs in Latest Release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144661#comment-27224 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7aa66c21-ee33-4f3c-867c-0e0b3736b2dd] [17:47] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: A Republican official in Georgia who is overseeing the third count says "This is a distraction at this point.". [17:48] DaemonFC[m] Patience is wearing thin with Trump's attempt to block Biden's certification, within the Republican Party. [17:48] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: PinePhone becomes a DIY Linux laptop with this 3D printed keyboard su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144677 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eade894c-d2f8-4699-9178-b994be9f098f] [17:48] DaemonFC[m] They all know that there's life after Trump and that this frees some of them up to run for president themselves very soon. [17:48] DaemonFC[m] They see opportunity here. If they can accelerate his demise then they can maybe rebrand, take Congress back, and run a presidential candidate that doesn't draw down the ire of over 80 million voters. [17:49] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest Chromium OS build for the GPD Pocket 1 and 2 brings hardware, software fixes for these mini-laptops su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144676 [https://pleroma.site/objects/55225030-2f91-423c-b446-5cab8ff8bf50] [17:49] DaemonFC[m] Going with the argument that Mike Pence went down with a sinking ship helps get him out of the way. [17:51] DaemonFC[m] Not too many of them are fans of Mike Pence, but probably somewhere between 8 and 12 want to run, personally. [17:52] DaemonFC[m] I don't think that a one term vice president has ever come back later to win the presidency. [17:53] DaemonFC[m] Vice Presidents who were serving with a very popular president who died in office, and who assumed the presidency and ran from that position have. [17:54] DaemonFC[m] I just don't see an argument for how Mike Pence could come back from this. [17:55] DaemonFC[m] They'll eat him alive in the primary and say he already lost alongside Trump. That the Trump administration was a disaster for them and he was part of it. [17:55] DaemonFC[m] Trump was blindsided from this loss, from my point of view. [17:55] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What Does the Penguin Say? su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144679 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3a0c4180-0539-4dcd-ae53-f77971f897ce] [17:56] DaemonFC[m] He thought he had rigged things enough that he would "win" on disqualified Biden ballots and ballots that were never even delivered after the Post Office sabotage. [17:57] DaemonFC[m] Now if his scheme even worked, he has to obviously steal an election right in front of everyone, on the back of some unelected and unqualified judges and some officials who agree to set aside the popular vote and appoint electors. [17:58] schestowitz [17:38] https://ircz.de/p/20082030 [17:58] schestowitz 50 shades of candle ● Nov 23 [18:00] schestowitz [17:56] He thought he had rigged things enough that he would "win" on disqualified Biden ballots and ballots that were never even delivered after the Post Office sabotage. [18:00] schestowitz yes, exactly [18:00] schestowitz now he's just seeding hate [18:00] schestowitz trying to delegitimise Biden [18:00] schestowitz like he did Obama with birtherism [18:03] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-trump-us-election-news-11-23-20/index.html [18:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnn.com | US election 2020: Latest news on the Trump-Biden transition [18:03] DaemonFC[m] And John Kerry is back. [18:05] vZS1 Maybe Trump thought stacking SCOTUS would lead to something like Bush Vs Gore [18:07] DaemonFC[m] The trickle of Republican Senators urging Trump to concede and start the transition is becoming a chorus. [18:07] DaemonFC[m] They did a wait and see and now most of them are realizing that if they continue beating this dead horse, there could be severe consequences later, for them. [18:08] DaemonFC[m] Not surprisingly, the ones calling for the transition to begin are mainly up for re-election themselves next time. [18:08] DaemonFC[m] vZS1: Well, Bush v. Gore precedent would actually hurt Trump here. [18:08] DaemonFC[m] It said that if a state can't certify by the safe harbor deadline then they have to just go with what they have and certify that. [18:09] vZS1 Ah [18:09] DaemonFC[m] And what they have is Biden in the lead. [18:09] vZS1 So there's really no hope for umpa lumpa [18:09] DaemonFC[m] So if any of these delay tactics even work, all that does is force the Supreme Court to rule that the states in question have to certify Biden immediately on the 8th of December. [18:10] DaemonFC[m] I don't think there is. They seem to have painted themselves into a corner here. [18:10] vZS1 Just about 2 weeks [18:11] DaemonFC[m] What are they going to do? Admit that the case that put Bush in the White House was so fundamentally flawed that THAT was an election the Republicans stole and that's their basis for overturning it and putting Trump in the White House? [18:11] DaemonFC[m] The Florida recount was reversing so much of Bush's lead that had it expanded to the other Florida counties, Al Gore would have probably carried the state by hundreds of votes. [18:12] DaemonFC[m] At issue were that more Democrats were having their ballots rejected for not having punched completely through the checkbox with the voting machine. [18:13] DaemonFC[m] Or, at the very least, there was an overvote and they wrote in Al Gore in the Write In spot and it had been rejected the first time. [18:14] DaemonFC[m] I think that if the Supreme Court does pick this up, it will also, ultimately, be pointless. [18:14] DaemonFC[m] No particular lawsuit would potentially invalidate enough ballots to change the outcome in even one state, and Michigan is certifying their results today. [18:16] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144681 [https://pleroma.site/objects/00abae3b-90ec-4db9-9e57-47a8e8b8e37e] [18:16] DaemonFC[m] So, no cases pending in Nevada and Arizona, Georgia already certified, recount going on in Wisconsin which just amounts to thuggery and harassment to the election officials by the Trump "observers", a crackpot lawsuit in Pennsylvania that can't overcome the margin, and if the Michigan state board of canvassers refuses to certify, the state courts will order them to -or- Governor Whitmer will simply eject whoever vote [18:16] DaemonFC[m] against it until there is a certification. [18:17] DaemonFC[m] I don't see Biden losing any electoral votes. The most plausible thing here really would be that the Supreme Court threw out every vote in Philadelphia and he was back at 286. [18:17] DaemonFC[m] Since that would be pointless, and there'd be rioters ready to hang the judges for that, probably not going to happen. [18:18] DaemonFC[m] It's stall tactics, and the only thing it might do is muddy the waters a little bit until the safe harbor deadline when the Supreme Court will have to order certification itself. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] At this point, that's all Trump is paying these people to do. Make things uncertain and tense for 15 more days, possibly. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] Maybe they won't even get that. [18:19] DaemonFC[m] And here's the deal. [18:21] DaemonFC[m] Say that Michigan got completely hung and couldn't send any electors at all. That just means that It's Biden 290 and Trump 232, with 262 needed. So, like, Trump still doesn't get the electors because it's plainly illegal for the Michigan legislature to appoint electors. [18:22] DaemonFC[m] So it's really bizarre, because Biden would then have 28 more than he'd need and now he has 36 more than he needs. [18:22] DaemonFC[m] So it wouldn't really even reduce his margin of the new total very much. [18:23] DaemonFC[m] There's simply, really, no reason to even continue this charade. [18:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Radeon RX 6800 Series Performance Comes Out Even Faster With Newest Linux Code su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144682 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b0f6275c-b9a8-48f7-803a-ce5a96b979dd] [18:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Radeon RX 6800 Series Performance Comes Out Even Faster With Newest Linux Code su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144682 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9da3206f-cab0-4cb7-b63a-e3031944faf1] [18:24] DaemonFC[m] CNN reports that the meeting to certify the Michigan results has started. [18:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Radeon RX 6800 Series Performance Comes Out Even Faster With Newest Linux Code su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144682 [https://pleroma.site/objects/eec70481-06e7-4dc5-a5dd-bb40f0c6cacc] [18:24] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144680 [https://pleroma.site/objects/118986c3-2827-4769-906b-12e1939950d1] [18:24] DaemonFC[m] The only member expected to vote against certification, is not wearing a mask. [18:25] DaemonFC[m] If the wheel falls off Trump's Michigan clown car today, it's over. [18:26] *Condor has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [18:26] schestowitz [18:24] The only member expected to vote against certification, is not wearing a mask. [18:26] schestowitz can't afford a brain to buy one [18:26] schestowitz maybe the federal gov. can ssupply one [18:27] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, rotten and left over from the 2009 flu, maybe. [18:27] DaemonFC[m] Like the ones Trump sent to Alabama. [18:27] schestowitz he sent his kids to Alabama? :-) [18:27] DaemonFC[m] It's pretty obvious why Trump won Florida. [18:27] DaemonFC[m] He was outright stealing Coronavirus supplies that other states had purchased. [18:28] DaemonFC[m] Illinois had to lie to the federal government about what was on the cargo manifest on some flights that brought in ventilators and face masks and stuff. [18:29] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Biden's already trolling with his cabinet picks. [18:29] DaemonFC[m] A pro-immigration Latino man to run DHS. [18:29] DaemonFC[m] Oh this is good. [18:29] schestowitz he's not trolling [18:30] schestowitz he's just an a-hole [18:30] schestowitz and people lose passion for Biden already [18:30] schestowitz seeing it's just "not Trump" [18:30] schestowitz and little else on most important issues [18:30] DaemonFC[m] I heard he's going to get rid of that "wealth test". [18:30] DaemonFC[m] I guess we'll see. It has been a huge priority of the Democratic Party to try to get it overturned. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] Judges appointed by Obama have kept finding reasons to strike it down, but the decisions never get through appeals. [18:31] DaemonFC[m] So he could either just let the ruling stand or start the regulatory process to return to the old one. [18:32] DaemonFC[m] NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg spoke with President-elect Joe Biden on Monday to congratulate him and thank him for being a "long-standing supporter of NATO and the transatlantic relationship." [18:32] DaemonFC[m] Of course, because they don't want to pay for anything. [18:32] DaemonFC[m] Nobody else ever made them pay for anything. [18:34] DaemonFC[m] https://au.news.yahoo.com/uk-pm-says-military-budget-cuts-era-over-134506893--spt.html [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-au.news.yahoo.com | UK PM says military budget cuts era over [18:34] DaemonFC[m] It's nice to see schestowitz defending Johnson when he's not even clever enough to write a speech without paraphrasing Trump's inaugural speech. [18:34] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Xfce Virtual Machine Images For Development su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144683 [https://pleroma.site/objects/083bf334-f179-4c6e-b971-66b77a2efa46] [18:35] DaemonFC[m] "This era of American carnage ends, and it ends now." -Trump 2017 [18:35] schestowitz the wow starts now [18:36] DaemonFC[m] "'The era of cutting our defence budget must end, and it ends now,' Johnson told parliament by video link from his Downing Street office[...]" [18:36] MinceR (no audio) https://pr0gramm.com/top/4136977 [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pr0gramm.com [18:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Richard Hughes: fwupd 1.5.2 su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144684 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e3ec943b-dd07-426d-a0bf-ae815e58f8f7] [18:38] DaemonFC[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lytepDbGK5E [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Live: Michigan Board of State Canvassers Certification Meeting - YouTube [18:40] schestowitz the undertaker coming for Trump's dead leftovers [18:41] DaemonFC[m] Aaron Langvelde seems to be making it clear he has no authority not to certify. [18:41] DaemonFC[m] He's one of the two Republicans. [18:41] *TTwrs (~TTwrs@c-67-169-185-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [18:42] schestowitz lol [18:42] schestowitz 2020 [18:42] schestowitz when people have to say things like that [18:42] schestowitz it's like he signals to trumo [18:42] schestowitz "man, I have no choice" [18:42] schestowitz "please don't fire me" [18:42] schestowitz this is dictatorship [18:42] schestowitz with coup dissidents [18:43] DaemonFC[m] Well, Trump can't do anything about this, but Governor Whitmer can take Langvelde off and appoint someone else. [18:43] DaemonFC[m] It says she can remove any of them for refusing to certify, but that there have to be two Democrats and two Republicans. [18:43] DaemonFC[m] So theoretically she could just get rid of them both and find two more Republicans who promise to certify. [18:44] schestowitz even qanon pushing ones [18:44] schestowitz even qanon-pushing ones [18:44] schestowitz man, your system is so weird [18:48] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, there's different elections in each state and you're not actually voting for president and vice president. [18:48] DaemonFC[m] You're voting for slates of electors. [18:49] DaemonFC[m] The electors may or may not be free to vote for whoever they want. Depends on the state law. [18:50] DaemonFC[m] In fact, very few deviate from who they are pledged to vote for unless the election is already lost and their state allows voting for someone else.. [18:50] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Programming Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144685 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aefb56e1-3d83-4d58-a3d9-5449a39f5a0a] [18:50] DaemonFC[m] Interestingly, Gerald Ford lost an elector to Ronald Reagan in 1976 even though he didn't run in 1976. [18:50] DaemonFC[m] Ford had already lost and one of the electors was like what the hell. [18:51] DaemonFC[m] In 2000, one of Al Gore's electors from DC didn't vote for anyone, to protest DC not being a state. [18:52] DaemonFC[m] It's a holdover from back when a popular vote wouldn't have been feasible. [18:52] DaemonFC[m] States had a hard enough time getting the results reported to their state legislature, much less to coordinate with each other to figure out what the total count was. [18:57] DaemonFC[m] Norman Shinkle is trying to ask retarded questions to make it look like fraud might have happened. [18:57] DaemonFC[m] None of what he's talking about would have led to fraud on a scale that would change the results. [18:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144686 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d6658baa-6e14-4db2-8299-53b52b08aff9] [18:59] DaemonFC[m] He pretty much gave up/ ● Nov 23 [19:00] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080940 [19:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4812766) [19:01] DaemonFC[m] Langevelde is really covering his ass, but it looks like he'll vote yes. [19:01] DaemonFC[m] Trump is toast after this. [19:03] schestowitz he can always ask pentaGROAN to nuke Iran [19:03] schestowitz to delay things a bit [19:05] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 23/11/2020: GNU Guix 1.2.0, Evaluating Precursors Hardware Security, Kdenlive 20.08.3, Kodi 19.x Beta, Vulkan 1.2.162 http://techrights.org/2020/11/23/gnu-guix-1-2-0/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [https://pleroma.site/objects/731a9a9c-d8f1-410a-9bb1-ce1f5ef23bc0] [19:09] schestowitz [19:01] Trump is toast after this. [19:09] schestowitz will the georgia certification impact blue presence there in senate? [19:09] schestowitz i'm not quite following how that works [19:10] schestowitz d needs senate majority, or equal at around 48 iirc [19:10] schestowitz or maybe senate is theirs, but congress is the barrier [19:10] schestowitz so can obstruct efforts to undo trumpism [19:10] DaemonFC[m] Well, it certifies that neither Republican candidate got to 50%, which is a state law. You have to get 50% in a non-presidential race in Georgia or there's another election for whoever didn't get to 50% between the top two finishers of opposing parties. [19:11] schestowitz ok, cheers [19:11] schestowitz i'm gonna do some articles now, getting coffe, brb [19:11] schestowitz *ffee [19:11] DaemonFC[m] So on January 5th they're going to have another election in Georgia for two US Senate seats, between the Republican and the Democrat who finished in the top two in each race in November. [19:11] schestowitz trumpism needs to be wiped up [19:11] schestowitz worldwide [19:11] DaemonFC[m] Conceivably, the Democrats could win one or both, and so the Republicans were not happy. [19:11] schestowitz be seen like a dark era [19:11] schestowitz when nazism was try to creep in again [19:12] DaemonFC[m] Now they have to run again and after Trump is already lost and definitely on his way out. [19:12] schestowitz orban, bolsonaro and so on [19:12] DaemonFC[m] Trump was pushing people to turn out to vote for him and now it's all about the Senate. [19:12] DaemonFC[m] So there's conceivably some loss of enthusiasm on the Republican side. [19:12] schestowitz fakeleft biden won't change much [19:13] schestowitz but things were getting rather horrific under orange nazi [19:13] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [19:13] schestowitz biden might be too old for a second term [19:13] schestowitz the d might erect some oligarch like "mike" bloomberg [19:14] schestowitz the biggest biden sponsor [19:14] schestowitz and be back to oligarchy of lesser maniacs [19:14] DaemonFC[m] Who knows? Carter made it well into his 90s. [19:14] DaemonFC[m] Still in his right mind. [19:14] MinceR the only solution is to abolish the state [19:14] schestowitz carter now [19:15] schestowitz not as pres [19:15] schestowitz MinceR: there will be some other thing in its place [19:15] schestowitz maybe with another name and veneer [19:15] vZS1 Carter did a lot of good work well into his 80s [19:15] vZS1 Building homes and stuff [19:15] schestowitz photo ops [19:16] vZS1 Don't know what he's been up to lately [19:16] schestowitz but he did sell his business [19:16] schestowitz prior to presidency [19:16] MinceR schestowitz: then that would have to be abolished too [19:16] schestowitz to avoid conflict of interest [19:16] schestowitz state will become just a stat [19:16] schestowitz and then you break/kneecap the Ts [19:16] schestowitz sa [19:16] DaemonFC[m] Carter could have been a two term president in the 2000s, really, when you think about it. [19:17] DaemonFC[m] I mean, obviously he's still around, so.... [19:17] schestowitz south africa violence [19:17] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: long-distance air travel [19:17] schestowitz can't be too good for him now [19:17] schestowitz risky [19:19] DaemonFC[m] Democrats in Congress pushed the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act and were most of the votes to override it after Reagan vetoed it. [19:20] vZS1 Anybody think Sanders will give it another shot? [19:20] DaemonFC[m] No. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] He might get a cabinet position. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] Some were saying Secretary of Labor or something. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] Wouldn't surprise me if he got it. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] Presidents usually hand these things out to their friends or for people who did them a favor, and Bernie did bow out and endorse Biden and campaign for him. [19:21] DaemonFC[m] So it's certainly possible he gets something. [19:23] *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has joined #techrights [19:24] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The news says the AstraZeneca vaccine is another success. I don't know how 70% effective is a success in light of the others. [19:24] schestowitz BBC says [19:24] schestowitz that's all I heard [19:24] DaemonFC[m] If we had a sane system, they'd make as many doses of the others as possible and ignore this thing. [19:24] schestowitz BBC = bill gates [19:24] schestowitz that 'solution' is also Gates-sponsored, for his profit [19:24] schestowitz So I am already very sceptical [19:25] schestowitz they just try to catch up with Pfizer marketing [19:25] schestowitz lots of taxpayers' money up in the air [19:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/10/25/donald-trump-and-bill-gates/ [19:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trump Helped Bill Gates Increase His Wealth by More Than 50%, Especially During the Pandemic | Techrights [19:28] *Condor (~freenode@e1.nixmagic.com) has joined #techrights [19:28] DaemonFC[m] Hmm, I suppose I'd better eat the rest of that Hawaiian Chicken tomorrow. Mandy told me to make a bunch, so I did, and now we still have too much left. Tomorrow is day 4, so.... [19:29] DaemonFC[m] I was just remembering mom telling me that my grandmother would leave food out for 2-3 days on top of the oven and still try to feed it to people. [19:29] DaemonFC[m] She said when she was a child they got food poisoning all the time and it never occurred to her that her mother wasn't real careful with the leftovers. [19:30] *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has left #techrights [19:30] schestowitz spoiled meat is risky [19:30] schestowitz the kinds of germs it can attract [19:30] schestowitz no amount of spices can undo the damage [19:30] schestowitz unless you're into bulimia-type diets [19:31] DaemonFC[m] My rule is usually past 4 days in the fridge, toss it out, regardless. [19:38] DaemonFC[m] https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/527131-newsom-family-quarantining-after-exposure-to-chp-officer-who-tested [19:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Newsom, family quarantining after exposure to COVID-19 | TheHill [19:38] DaemonFC[m] Good. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] Gavin Nuisance can finally get the embarrassment he really deserves. [19:41] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Looks like the Walmart employee discount is being quietly extended to more grocery items. [19:41] DaemonFC[m] Seems that as long as you buy Great Value canned vegetables, the "produce" discount now applies to those. [19:42] DaemonFC[m] Still worth the drive to Aldi though, to stock up. [19:42] DaemonFC[m] For some reason, while the prices between the two are not normally more than a few pennies from each other, Aldi does way better on canned goods. [19:43] DaemonFC[m] But I did notice a big price increase at Walmart yesterday. [19:43] DaemonFC[m] 24 pack (cans) of Pepsi products all went from $6.48 to $7.48. [19:43] DaemonFC[m] Maybe because of the aluminum. [19:44] DaemonFC[m] I heard that Coke was killing off slow moving brands to free up capacity. I wonder if that's the end for Fresca. [19:46] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has left #techrights [19:47] DaemonFC[m] I was unable to drink that for years because of the medications I was on. [19:47] DaemonFC[m] My parents took me to all of these psychiatrists and most of them are hacks. [19:48] DaemonFC[m] And of course the consensus was attention deficit disorder. [19:48] DaemonFC[m] So they put me on Ritalin and then when that made me worse, they kept me on it for years, and then later on I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. [19:48] schestowitz ok [19:49] schestowitz I am doing a long post atm [19:49] DaemonFC[m] Let's give amphetamines to someone with bipolar. That'll work out well. [19:49] schestowitz might not be a good moment to highlight me much (notifications) [19:49] DaemonFC[m] Ah, well, my main point here was the aluminum shortage. It should be interesting how that bubbles up into stuff. [19:49] DaemonFC[m] Inflation, alternative material, etc. [19:50] DaemonFC[m] I noticed that Samsung got rid of the glass backing from the Galaxy S20 FE, dunno about the others. [19:50] DaemonFC[m] One less thing to crack, I guess. [19:51] DaemonFC[m] They seem to be backing away slowly from Apple's chintzy components. [19:51] DaemonFC[m] I guess people in the Android segment have a lot to choose from and when the back of your phone just shatters for no reason, kind of pisses you off. [19:52] DaemonFC[m] https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/11/23/opinion/23Hasen/merlin_179869695_f5985179-5df5-4d16-897d-38da99da034a-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp [19:53] DaemonFC[m] https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-team-congressional-democrats-strike-quick-stimulus-deal-gop-2020-11 [19:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Biden team pushing Democrats to strike quick stimulus deal with GOP: report - Business Insider [19:54] DaemonFC[m] I thought it was pretty bizarre that Mitch McConnell was refusing to pass anything. [19:54] DaemonFC[m] If he handed Trump a huge stimulus bill it may have moved the needle and they wouldn't be dealing with Bye Don next year. [19:54] Ariadne i bought an internet of shit oven [19:55] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/white-house-christmas-tree-2020/index.html [19:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-White House Christmas tree arrives, continuing tradition amid Covid-19 and election disputes - CNNPolitics [19:55] DaemonFC[m] I wonder if this will be another Tim Burton Christmas special. [19:56] DaemonFC[m] Those horrid looking tree-like objects the first year. Remember that? [19:57] DaemonFC[m] It shows Melania in the picture. I thought she wanted an annulment this year. [19:58] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/6286839a0373fe0d.jpg [19:59] schestowitz Ariadne: time could not be better [19:59] schestowitz after having fire incident in the DC [19:59] schestowitz let's hook up a 1000 mw machine to "smart" ● Nov 23 [20:02] XRevan86 MinceR: Technically, this does have an effect. [20:03] XRevan86 MinceR: By worsening the climate conditions minutely and thus welcoming another hurricane. [20:04] MinceR :> [20:04] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/opinions/reverend-warnock-religious-left-graves-fitzsimmons/index.html [20:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Opinion: Georgia Senate race reminds Republicans they don't have a lock on 'God talk' - CNN [20:05] DaemonFC[m] They're going after his religious belief against military service because the military kills people, apparently. [20:05] CrystalMath idk, Warnock has good talking points [20:05] DaemonFC[m] Republicans....the party of Gawd..... [20:05] DaemonFC[m] Have to kill lots of people to be Gawdly. [20:06] MinceR :> [20:06] MinceR they're emulating the hero of their favorite fable [20:06] MinceR who also liked to kill lots of people [20:08] *esaym153 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [20:09] CrystalMath since i'm anti-military and anti-israel, i tend to agree with Warnock on this one [20:10] CrystalMath even though i'd like a GOP senate, to block corporate "great resets" and medicare expansion [20:12] *TTwrs has quit (Quit: Leaving) [20:13] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.110) has joined #techrights [20:16] CrystalMath maybe you people here like medicare, and i get that, though i still want you to understand my concerns against socializing healthcare [20:16] DaemonFC[m] Most of this will simply go through with executive action. [20:16] DaemonFC[m] Biden can declare national emergencies and there's no way Republicans have the votes to cancel any of them. [20:16] CrystalMath but you do realize that the democrat agenda with the great reset is really evil, right? [20:17] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: and you support that? [20:17] DaemonFC[m] Well, you know, the Supreme Court says it's fine. [20:17] DaemonFC[m] All so Trump could build 40 miles of border fence that has fallen down or been cut through like swiss cheese already. [20:17] CrystalMath do *you* support the crap they're doing? [20:17] DaemonFC[m] Consequences! [20:17] CrystalMath leave the silly pettiness aside [20:18] DaemonFC[m] Trump is the reason why Biden will be so successful. [20:18] DaemonFC[m] Trump got the courts to set new limits to power he wasn't competent enough to use fully. [20:18] DaemonFC[m] But....Biden and his cabinet are. [20:18] CrystalMath and is that good? [20:19] CrystalMath it sounds like you're openly calling for a dictatorship of all things that are anti-freedom [20:19] DaemonFC[m] No, but you want someone to blame, blame the Republicans. They tore down our institutions to enable Trump and what they got was 4 years of not a hell of a lot. [20:20] CrystalMath excuse me but don't you freaking live in that country [20:20] CrystalMath you can't let it slide, no matter what administration is in power [20:20] CrystalMath who cares about blame [20:20] DaemonFC[m] Well, hopefully they learn their lesson and pass new laws limiting the president and sneak them into must pass bills. [20:20] DaemonFC[m] But they won't because they think they can win the next election. [20:20] DaemonFC[m] :) [20:21] DaemonFC[m] Every president has been more powerful than the last one for quite some time now. [20:21] CrystalMath what i don't understand is how you are fine with the destruction of your country [20:21] CrystalMath to prove republicans are bad [20:22] DaemonFC[m] It's what comes about when each one tests the limits of their powers, and when their party rules the day and backs that up and sets a terrifying new limit that the next guy also has. [20:23] DaemonFC[m] The Democrats didn't move to terminate Section 215 until they were concerned that Trump would abuse it to spy on the Biden campaign. [20:23] DaemonFC[m] Notice that? [20:23] DaemonFC[m] And that's just one very small part of what the president had. [20:24] CrystalMath this is just like standing and watching your house burn and saying "well i hope my family will learn a lesson in there, not to leave flammable materials around heat" [20:24] CrystalMath it's sickening [20:24] CrystalMath it's psychopathic [20:26] *esaym153 (~esaym153@2001:470:b965:2:208:a1ff:fe05:bf2a) has joined #techrights [20:26] DaemonFC[m] It amuses me that my parents did this and now they're going to get everything they feared on immigration, student loan forgiveness, the environment...You name it. [20:26] MinceR (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/1f6b2fbbcc832f5f.mp4 [20:26] DaemonFC[m] It never would have been possible. I mean. The courts took a dim view of the Clean Power Plan as an EPA rule, but now it comes back as a national emergency. [20:26] DaemonFC[m] Nice. [20:28] DaemonFC[m] As far as what Roy mentioned, the electoral college system suits the campaigns fine. [20:28] DaemonFC[m] They can focus their campaigns on like maybe 5 states. [20:29] DaemonFC[m] Having to campaign and persuade and find voters in all 50 states and DC would be a disaster for them. [20:29] DaemonFC[m] It would spread them thin and they'd have to many places they'd have to spend money and make stops. [20:30] CrystalMath right, the electoral college isn't bad [20:30] DaemonFC[m] It also stopped Trump, I might add. [20:30] CrystalMath america's too big to be a direct democracy [20:30] DaemonFC[m] In the end, he only had regional appeal under the electoral system. [20:31] DaemonFC[m] The electoral system stops a candidate who does very well in just one swath of the country from bulldozing the other one in the popular vote and declaring victory. [20:31] MinceR yeah, screw every uhmerican who lives in a non-battleground state [20:31] DaemonFC[m] In a direct system, you'd triage too. [20:31] DaemonFC[m] You'd blow up the airwaves in population centers and then that would be the end of that. [20:32] DaemonFC[m] So it would turn into an election in mostly in California and Texas. [20:32] DaemonFC[m] Which might not be better than having 5 swing states that represent a larger cross section of demography. [20:32] DaemonFC[m] Now, that might well change soon. [20:33] DaemonFC[m] Campaigns are getting a lot better at micro-targeting voters, and a lot of that, unfortunately, is the product of the tech companies like Facebook. [20:33] MinceR maybe this wouldn't happen if you didn't run FPTP races in gerrymandered districts [20:33] DaemonFC[m] Trump had built up a huge intelligence operation in Florida and targeted areas for turnout and suppression in 2016. [20:33] DaemonFC[m] And with what they learned then, they were able to take the state by a huge margin this time. [20:34] CrystalMath florida has become really cool [20:34] DaemonFC[m] Mitt Romney's campaign had a disastrous breakdown with their voter turnout software. [20:34] DaemonFC[m] And it happened at pretty much the worst time. A nationwide crash on election day itself. [20:35] schestowitz MinceR: that's pretty funny video [20:35] schestowitz either baby or some breed of it I never saw [20:35] DaemonFC[m] I'm of the opinion that not voting is still voting. [20:36] DaemonFC[m] You're saying you don't want to take part in this, but what you're really doing is punting the decision to your neighbors, who may well have people who are not well informed and who aren't very intelligent in the majority that cycle. [20:36] DaemonFC[m] You might say hey it doesn't matter, but it does matter. They do nasty camps and eugenics operations on people in ICE custody. [20:37] DaemonFC[m] "Emergency hysterectomies" so that "those people" can never have kids even after the regime is gone. [20:37] DaemonFC[m] We'll never be able to undo the 11,537 "emergency hysterectomies" that were done on women in ICE custody, against their rights as human beings. [20:38] DaemonFC[m] Trump might be gone, but the crimes this administration has committed against humanity are permanent. [20:38] schestowitz that many? [20:38] schestowitz 11,537? [20:38] DaemonFC[m] Hundreds of kids who will never see their parents again because the government doesn't know what it did with them. [20:38] DaemonFC[m] Yeah. [20:38] schestowitz 666 kids [20:38] schestowitz last I hearrd [20:38] schestowitz heard [20:39] DaemonFC[m] It doesn't know and it doesn't want to know. [20:39] schestowitz Murica [20:39] DaemonFC[m] Trump planned to deport them "somewhere" in the second term he'll never have. [20:39] schestowitz bombing for peace [20:39] DaemonFC[m] And now they're effectively orphans. [20:39] MinceR well, bombing for peace could work [20:39] schestowitz foe the planet [20:39] schestowitz *for [20:39] MinceR but then in that case there would be no humans around anymore to enjoy the peace [20:39] DaemonFC[m] This is sick and this is wrong. An immigration offense is a misdemeanor. It's supposed to be a fine and maybe you get deported. [20:39] MinceR possibly also no other eukaryotes either [20:40] DaemonFC[m] What this administration has done is unforgivable. [20:40] schestowitz 70+ million Murican adults voted for MOAR of it [20:40] schestowitz and those are chirstians [20:40] schestowitz against other chirstians [20:40] DaemonFC[m] Making people leave is one thing, but orphaning kids and involuntarily sterilizing people is not okay. [20:40] schestowitz typically central murican catholics [20:41] schestowitz imagine what they'd do to "japs" and Arabs [20:41] schestowitz we already saw [20:41] CrystalMath is there any evidence that the US involuntarily sterilized people? [20:41] schestowitz in the 1940s [20:41] schestowitz CrystalMath: lots [20:41] schestowitz it's a century old agenda, too [20:41] CrystalMath you can't really blame Trump then [20:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/ [20:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMs Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | Techrights [20:41] schestowitz US partly inspired the Nazi Party [20:42] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The Atlanta Metro area will have two new gigantic voting centers in the Senate runoffs that were not available in the November election. [20:42] schestowitz US oligarchs (of of them) funded the Nazi Party [20:42] DaemonFC[m] Could tip the balance. [20:42] MinceR we can't blame twitler for his part in the resurgence of nazism? [20:42] MinceR interesting [20:42] CrystalMath MinceR: i don't think we can [20:42] schestowitz MinceR: ignore [20:42] CrystalMath MinceR: i think the US democratic party is fascist, and always has been [20:43] MinceR probably is [20:43] schestowitz MinceR: not worth the hassle [20:43] DaemonFC[m] I'm proud of defeating Donald Trump. [20:43] MinceR but the "republican" party is even more fascist [20:43] CrystalMath these things could be remnants of Obama [20:43] CrystalMath after all he also had ICE cages [20:43] DaemonFC[m] This guy is so repulsive and such an affront to civilized society that even with Joe Biden, we're better off. [20:43] MinceR CrystalMath: it is probably not a single person's responsibility [20:44] CrystalMath i'm not saying Trump is good, i'm saying he's better [20:44] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The Michigan board of Canvassers is taking all fucking goddamned day with this. [20:44] DaemonFC[m] I don't get it. State law gives them no choice. [20:44] MinceR maybe they're paid by the hour [20:45] DaemonFC[m] They do not have any authority other than to sign off on the vote tallies and accept whatever the counties have certified. [20:45] schestowitz MinceR: by the minute [20:45] CrystalMath some signatures are rescinded [20:45] schestowitz there's a connotation associate with the latter [20:45] CrystalMath they need to talk about that [20:45] DaemonFC[m] And the law says that if they do not, they have committed a misdemeanor unless they do not have certified results from every county, which they do. [20:45] DaemonFC[m] No they aren't. [20:45] DaemonFC[m] The rescission came after the certification deadline. [20:45] DaemonFC[m] They're invalid. [20:45] CrystalMath still something to talk about [20:46] DaemonFC[m] It's really not. [20:46] CrystalMath especially in the face of widespread election fraud [20:46] CrystalMath and threats [20:46] DaemonFC[m] Playing into this delusional fantasy that is going on is wrong. [20:46] MinceR like how cheeto hitler sabotaged the USPS? [20:46] schestowitz the fraud lost this election [20:46] MinceR that sort of fraud? [20:46] DaemonFC[m] There certainly was no fraud big enough that it could reverse Biden's win in Michigan. [20:46] CrystalMath MinceR: well, if it was me, i would insist that mail voting is illegal, i'd get rid of it right in 2017 [20:46] DaemonFC[m] The only accusation I heard from this nitwit on the board was over 600 votes. [20:47] MinceR CrystalMath: it wasn't you [20:47] DaemonFC[m] Which is still 155,000 too few to change the outcome even if he was absolutely correct. [20:47] MinceR and the "republicans" only decided that mail voting was bad this year [20:47] CrystalMath MinceR: i think it's stupid to allow mail voting and thene sabotage the USPS [20:47] CrystalMath *then [20:47] DaemonFC[m] They're asking courts to throw out all mail ballots. [20:47] DaemonFC[m] Which is not gonna happen. [20:47] MinceR well, Agent Orange is indeed stupid [20:47] schestowitz no, he knows what he does [20:47] schestowitz malicious [20:48] DaemonFC[m] That alone is why none of these lawsuits will succeed. [20:48] MinceR tantrums? [20:48] schestowitz dumb also, but that misses the point [20:48] schestowitz stupid implies ignorance and no ill-intent [20:48] DaemonFC[m] Their proposed remedy is so drastic that no court will go along with it. [20:48] schestowitz he's riling up extremists [20:48] DaemonFC[m] yeah, my dad was sending me rapid fire emails. [20:48] schestowitz to accomplish a violent coup or intimidation tactics [20:48] DaemonFC[m] About how Trump really won. [20:48] DaemonFC[m] I had to add him to my spam list. [20:48] schestowitz lol [20:49] schestowitz carl farmer -> shitlist [20:49] MinceR there was also some whining about diebold/premier/dominion's shitty voting machines [20:49] MinceR but those were in use since 2004 or even before [20:49] MinceR and it's a problem only in 2020? [20:49] CrystalMath you know what i'd like to know? [20:49] CrystalMath who actually won the election, if there was no fraud [20:50] schestowitz wait till biden takes office and then twitler says covid19 sia real crisis [20:50] schestowitz and that biden is not handling it well [20:50] schestowitz like he mocked obama for gov. shutdown [20:50] DaemonFC[m] The Democrats will find the Chair of GSA in contempt of Congress if she doesn't stop this and sign off on the transition soon. [20:50] schestowitz then faked a crisis to do one of his own [20:50] schestowitz in early 2019 [20:50] DaemonFC[m] And Biden's DoJ absolutely will prosecute it. [20:50] CrystalMath schestowitz: that kinda started already [20:50] MinceR well, considering that all the polls said biden had a lead and he got the popular vote too, i'd say it's pretty certain that he would have won [20:50] CrystalMath schestowitz: it's classic politician stuff, i don't know if you can blame Trump for that [20:50] MinceR the Moscovian Candidate really doesn't have a case [20:50] CrystalMath or at least i'm used to it [20:51] CrystalMath MinceR: the polls are really untrustworthy [20:51] CrystalMath everywhere [20:51] MinceR yes, we should only trust Steaming Dump's gut feelings, because _those_ are infallible [20:51] DaemonFC[m] I don't know if Biden will win in 2024. It's too far out there and he hasn't even done anything as president yet. [20:51] DaemonFC[m] But he did win this election, and we know that for certain. [20:52] DaemonFC[m] If the Republicans want to win they need to come back with a candidate that's good enough to win and an argument that most people agree with at that point. [20:52] DaemonFC[m] But maybe they'll fuck that up like they often do. [20:52] DaemonFC[m] Nominate someone who talks about how good rape is and godly even. [20:52] MinceR biden might be in trouble in 2024, since he might not be up against the only person he was picked to defeat :> [20:53] DaemonFC[m] Like Indiana or Missouri in 2012. [20:53] CrystalMath well what i'm looking for in a republican president [20:53] DaemonFC[m] Or an actual rapist of theirs who also managed to lose Alabama in 2017. [20:53] CrystalMath or a democrat president.... [20:53] MinceR there might even be a "republican" candidate who is less authoritarian and less rightwing extremist, since they're so close [20:53] CrystalMath is being anti-regulation, anti-globalism, anti-war, etc... [20:53] DaemonFC[m] The foreshadowing of Trump's loss was went on in the interim. [20:54] DaemonFC[m] The Republicans managed to totally fuck up an easily winnable midterm. [20:54] CrystalMath what i'm always looking for in a politician is libertarianism, pure and simple [20:54] MinceR CrystalMath: so, "third party"? [20:54] CrystalMath MinceR: yeah but tactical voting is not bad [20:54] CrystalMath someone of the two mandatory parties will be better [20:54] CrystalMath i think this year that was Trump [20:54] DaemonFC[m] I vote third party sometimes, but never when a Republican could credibly win an election. [20:54] DaemonFC[m] I might break from that next year and vote for a Republican as Mayor of Waukegan. [20:55] CrystalMath Trump checked off anti-globalism, anti-regulation, and anti-war [20:55] DaemonFC[m] But I'm going to support a different Democrat in the primary first and see what happens. [20:55] DaemonFC[m] Our current mayor, Gropey McGropeface, and his thug department that collaborates with ICE? Nope. [20:55] DaemonFC[m] Not doing it. [20:55] CrystalMath theoretically there could be a democrat who is anti-globalism, anti-regulation, and anti-war [20:56] CrystalMath there just never was so far [20:56] CrystalMath Jimmy Carter comes close [20:57] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Some immigration reform at the local level, it seems. [20:58] CrystalMath i think you all made a huge mistake by hating Trump [20:58] CrystalMath and i predict that you will see that [20:58] DaemonFC[m] The State's Attorney-Elect, Eric Rinehart, said he would work with the courts to try to vacate some findings of Guilt for non-violent offenders who could conceivably be deported due to their conviction records. [20:58] CrystalMath maybe even by 2022 [20:58] DaemonFC[m] Which would make it impossible for ICE to move to have them deported. [20:58] MinceR CrystalMath: yes, my feelings are oh so powerful [20:58] CrystalMath MinceR: power is irrelevant, the important thing is being right [20:58] DaemonFC[m] So there's opportunity here to deny ICE hundreds of potential deportation victims. [20:58] CrystalMath MinceR: at least to me ;P [20:59] CrystalMath MinceR: it's better to die being right than to live being wrong, even to rule being wrong [20:59] DaemonFC[m] A victory is wherever you can find it, MinceR [20:59] DaemonFC[m] I've learned that much. [20:59] MinceR CrystalMath: if that were true, neither the "democrats" nor the "republicans" would have any control over anything [20:59] MinceR DaemonFC[m]: most likely all our efforts will be in vain ● Nov 23 [21:00] MinceR most humans want life on Earth to go extinct [21:00] MinceR and it probably will [21:00] DaemonFC[m] Some Republicans told me that there was no victory in electing people who would stall and stifle Trump. [21:00] MinceR it would have been up to our species to save it [21:00] DaemonFC[m] But the thousands or millions of people who avoided deportation or didn't lose their healthcare because of the resistance might disagree with that. [21:00] MinceR and our species is both too stupid and too evil for the job [21:01] DaemonFC[m] It seems like Hungary is a total loss. [21:01] DaemonFC[m] Single party state, unlikely to change. Democracy completely broke down there. [21:01] MinceR yup [21:01] MinceR and it's taking down the rest of the EU [21:01] CrystalMath i don't think the EU is necessary [21:01] CrystalMath the individual countries that make it up can be just as good [21:02] MinceR i mean including the member states [21:02] CrystalMath oh [21:02] MinceR they can, but they aren't [21:02] DaemonFC[m] In its current form, I don't think it should go on. [21:02] CrystalMath that won't happen [21:02] DaemonFC[m] It's mostly bureaucracy and taxes and regulation, and it's not helping people much. [21:02] CrystalMath the netherlands will live on, germany wil live on [21:02] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:02] CrystalMath france will live on [21:02] MinceR germany is already in danger, as the CFU rules it [21:02] DaemonFC[m] It's certainly not very democratic, and it doesn't care if its own member states have any democratic ideals. [21:02] MinceR and the shitty situation in hungary is in part the CFU's doing [21:03] DaemonFC[m] The EU has been corrupted by too many bad actors. [21:03] MinceR and those bad actors came from the member states [21:03] DaemonFC[m] The UK left but there's so many more that are corrupting it that it's probably not salvageable and anyone who has anything worth saving about their country needs to leave it now. [21:03] MinceR the UK is doomed either way [21:03] MinceR since it's ruled by tories [21:04] schestowitz 'ruled' [21:04] MinceR and it will get worse once scotland leaves it [21:04] DaemonFC[m] Germany uses it as a way to control monetary policy and export their unemployment problem. [21:04] CrystalMath CFU? [21:04] CrystalMath both germany and france are currently ruled by fascists [21:04] MinceR Christian Fundamentalist Union [21:04] schestowitz 13 people arrested for not wearing masks i liverpool yesterday (ish) [21:04] MinceR they call themselves "CDU" and "CSU" [21:04] CrystalMath schestowitz: this is the fascism you wanted [21:05] schestowitz you vote for fascism [21:05] schestowitz I don't [21:05] schestowitz you endorse that [21:05] CrystalMath i didn't vote [21:05] DaemonFC[m] You know the irony with parties and states that say Democratic and People's is that there's no democracy and that the people control nothing. [21:05] schestowitz ICE kidnapping protester into unmasked vans [21:05] MinceR which is why north korea has both [21:05] MinceR so you know it's extra shitty [21:05] schestowitz I might just go back to writing articles for now [21:05] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Not just protesters, American citizens! [21:06] DaemonFC[m] And it is legal, because they are law enforcement and can technically enforce any federal laws. [21:06] DaemonFC[m] But generalized law enforcement is extremely unusual from an agency like that. [21:06] DaemonFC[m] He could have sent the DEA out after them, if he wanted to. [21:06] MinceR well, it's what can be expected when humans receive power over other humans [21:06] DaemonFC[m] Or the IRS special agents. [21:06] MinceR especially if they're made to believe that said power is legitimate [21:07] DaemonFC[m] Trump needed thugs. He wanted thugs that not only would cooperate but would gladly do so. [21:07] DaemonFC[m] And he found them at ICE. [21:07] DaemonFC[m] That's what happened and that's why ICE was out there and not the IRS or the DEA. [21:08] DaemonFC[m] And the state and city wouldn't lift a finger to help their own people. [21:08] DaemonFC[m] That's even more alarming if you ask me. [21:09] DaemonFC[m] That should have been a constitutional crisis. [21:09] DaemonFC[m] That NEEDED to go before the courts. [21:09] DaemonFC[m] It didn't, and if Oregon isn't going to force the issue, nobody is. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] Trump created a lot of constitutional crises that never got resolved, and we're all the worse off for it. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] At least he doesn't get four more years of it. [21:10] DaemonFC[m] Whether you think Biden pardoning $50,000 per student loan is fair or not, the law says he can. [21:11] DaemonFC[m] It's certainly not sending ICE vans out to kidnap college students and sterilize them. [21:11] DaemonFC[m] So at least there's that. [21:11] CrystalMath we'll all see how wrong you all were when Biden bans free software [21:11] DaemonFC[m] "The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has rejected the Trump campaigns effort to block the counting of certain absentee ballots clearing the way for those ballots to be counted in multiple counties, including Philadelphia." [21:12] DaemonFC[m] Biden is not going to ban Free Software. [21:12] MinceR also, if he's planning to do that, he'd better hurry up because there isn't going to be any free software for long [21:12] DaemonFC[m] First of all, if there's anything good likely to come out of divided government and divided chambers of Congress, it's that this is a taller hill for things like EARN IT to climb. [21:13] MinceR and we aren't going to be allowed to own computers that could run it for long [21:13] DaemonFC[m] You're going to see the same alliance between the Tea Party and the CPC that trashed Section 215 block this, I think. [21:13] DaemonFC[m] Free Software is banning itself because money talks, and Microsoft still has what, in Free Software circles amounts to....lots of money. [21:14] CrystalMath MinceR: i really hate that Trump did 0, nay, -1, to save us from that [21:14] DaemonFC[m] And now they're dealing with IBM on Red Hat, and Canonical. [21:14] MinceR CrystalMath: it's to be expected. twitler has no idea what that even is. [21:14] DaemonFC[m] Who want to show that they can make quarterly profit without any regard for Free Software at all, or even the long term health of their own businesses. [21:15] DaemonFC[m] CEOs who plan things out for 10 or 20 years and miss out on quarterly results to get there don't last long. [21:15] MinceR i suspect none of the geriatrics in charge of that two-party system have any clue [21:15] DaemonFC[m] That's why so many of these private equity firms absolutely refuse to go public with their companies. [21:16] DaemonFC[m] They'll be ravaged for whatever short term traders can strip them down for and it will completely gut their ability to think long term. [21:16] DaemonFC[m] Even Microsoft doesn't plan long term. [21:16] DaemonFC[m] They plan quarterly and they throw ridiculous amounts of money into something that fizzles out but juices the stock price for a little while. [21:18] DaemonFC[m] "The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has rejected the Trump campaigns effort to block the counting of certain absentee ballots clearing the way for those ballots to be counted in multiple counties, including Philadelphia." [21:24] DaemonFC[m] The Michigan Board of Election Canvassers just voted 3-1 to certify Biden's win. [21:30] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/15/81a6cbfd7478a5f7.jpg [21:32] CrystalMath Michigan is a fascist state [21:32] CrystalMath with a fascist governor who must be thrown out [21:33] CrystalMath i mostly base this on what they did this year in april [21:33] DaemonFC[m] Bye Don [21:34] CrystalMath the important thing is that Whitmer loses in 2022 [21:34] DaemonFC[m] She's not going to. [21:34] DaemonFC[m] There was a 155,000 vote margin of victory for Joe Biden. [21:34] DaemonFC[m] Whitmer will easily win a second term. [21:35] CrystalMath she banned the sale for fresh fruit and vegetables [21:35] CrystalMath *sale of [21:35] DaemonFC[m] Uh, what are you talking about? [21:35] DaemonFC[m] You can go into any supermarket and buy some. [21:35] CrystalMath yes she did that during covid [21:35] CrystalMath during the lockdown [21:35] CrystalMath that's why people had an armed protest [21:36] DaemonFC[m] Illinois is back on Phase 3 of the mitigation plan. [21:36] DaemonFC[m] I'm fine with that. [21:36] DaemonFC[m] Like schestowitz said, what am I doing differently other than it forces me to save money by cooking my own food? [21:36] CrystalMath well that's not insane, banning the sale of fresh fruit is insane [21:36] DaemonFC[m] I don't really plan to start eating out much again even if they ever do get this under control somehow. [21:37] DaemonFC[m] It's pretty obvious that while face masks are slowing it down, they're not slowing it down enough. [21:37] DaemonFC[m] It's one thing that we can do, to slow it down a little, but our hospitals are still totally overwhelmed and running out of ICU beds. [21:37] CrystalMath that's why Whitmer has to go, if Michigan has 1 neuron left, they'll vote her out [21:37] CrystalMath maybe for a different democrat, i don't care [21:38] DaemonFC[m] You know, it's like that episode of SG-1 with the alien plant. MinceR ^ [21:38] DaemonFC[m] The masks. Remember when the scientist says it seems to like light, and O'Neill turns the light switch off, and the guy says "Well, it seems like if any part of it is exposed to light, the rest can grow. [21:39] DaemonFC[m] So they turn the entire base down to emergency lighting only to slow it down a little while they figure something out. [21:39] DaemonFC[m] That's masks and the Coronavirus. [21:39] CrystalMath was that plant threatening in any way? [21:39] DaemonFC[m] And because it isn't stopping COVID-19 dead in its tracks, we have these right-wing morons out there going "Masks don't work!". [21:40] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, it was. It was overtaking the base and would have gotten out and completely ruined the planet too. [21:40] CrystalMath because COVID-19 looks like it's nothing [21:40] DaemonFC[m] It's not nothing, and from what we know, if we don't stop it, people will just keep getting it again and again until it kills them or the damage piles up. [21:40] DaemonFC[m] So that's not good. [21:40] CrystalMath most people have no damage from it [21:41] CrystalMath the formation of syncitia someone mentioned here only happens in symptomatic medium or high severity cases [21:41] DaemonFC[m] Well, that's like saying you know people who smoke and they don't seem damaged. [21:41] CrystalMath i checked the paper [21:41] DaemonFC[m] Not everything bad is visible all at once. [21:41] CrystalMath i should really start smoking [21:41] CrystalMath i've been meaning to for a while now [21:42] CrystalMath i've been working up to it by passive smoking [21:42] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/aqqKCgcXInJhjzlBrLDtbnhN/message.txt > [21:43] DaemonFC[m] --- [21:43] DaemonFC[m] And with that, Trump's scattershot nonsense to steal the election goes from highly unlikely to impossible. [21:43] Ariadne schestowitz: i'm not using the 'smart' capability. the new oven is more energy efficient than the oven i got initially. [21:44] CrystalMath also i don't know anyone who died after having a first time asymptomatic/mild COVID-19 infection [21:44] CrystalMath is there any such documented case? [21:44] Ariadne what about the people they spread it to unknowingly who then die? [21:44] CrystalMath Ariadne: we're discussing whether it's dangerous, not whether it spreads [21:44] DaemonFC[m] Seems about 3-4% of those who get it end up dying in the end. [21:44] Ariadne what's mild for you, is probably not mild for grandma [21:45] DaemonFC[m] If you're getting 200,000 people a day who are confirmed to have it, eventually 6,000-8,000 of those people are going to die one day a couple weeks later. [21:45] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: it would seem.... but it's quite likely that cases are undercounted [21:45] CrystalMath where i live, the doctors say they are [21:45] Ariadne ok lmao [21:45] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in #Techrights su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144687 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80f594ee-aa33-4be3-a407-8615431d14d5] [21:45] schestowitz he does not care about grandma [21:45] CrystalMath the number of cases is 5 times bigger than the reported number of cases [21:45] schestowitz he wants many people to die [21:45] schestowitz he admits it [21:45] DaemonFC[m] Well, it's pretty clear nobody working at the CDC under this administration knows or cares what the truth is. [21:46] schestowitz while reading unabomber 'literature' [21:46] CrystalMath not from COVID-19 though, schestowitz [21:46] CrystalMath because COVID-19 is useless for depopulation [21:46] CrystalMath it barely kills anyone [21:46] Ariadne well, life is a sexually-transmitted condition that ends in death [21:46] Ariadne soooo [21:46] Ariadne :) [21:46] CrystalMath it's literally unnoticable [21:46] CrystalMath onl 1.5 million (and that's rounded upwards) died [21:46] DaemonFC[m] Under their theory during summer that 90% of cases went undetected, everyone should have had it by now, and certainly we shouldn't be seeing a couple hundred thousand a day for weeks on end, so far. [21:46] Ariadne 250k dead is noticeable vs flu which normally kills 50k yearly [21:46] Ariadne that is 5x more [21:46] DaemonFC[m] And it hasn't even been a year under COVID. [21:47] CrystalMath Ariadne: i'm quite sure the flu kills more than that [21:47] DaemonFC[m] By the time it has been a year, about 450,000 Americans will be dead from it, that we have confirmed. [21:47] Ariadne i'm talking in the US [21:47] Ariadne not globally [21:47] CrystalMath Ariadne: oh [21:47] CrystalMath Ariadne: well yes i would say that COVID-19 has a death rate of 0.7% [21:47] CrystalMath which should make it 7x worse than the flu [21:47] CrystalMath 350,000 a year is to be expected [21:48] DaemonFC[m] Mom has some N95 masks set aside for work now, so my concern about her is still there, but it's good that she's not relying on those cheap surgical masks anymore. [21:48] DaemonFC[m] Those COVIDiots that she works with, with their masks under their noses, brought it into the facility again. [21:48] Ariadne well anyway, if you want to kill your grandma with COVID, that's your business i guess [21:48] Ariadne i'll be abiding by health guidelines myself [21:48] DaemonFC[m] Now they have a wildfire situation going on and she won't listen to me to resign and take early retirement now. [21:48] CrystalMath Ariadne: i don't have a single living grandma, not for decades now [21:48] Ariadne ok, if you want to kill other peoples' grandmas [21:49] CrystalMath i don't think US deaths from COVID-19 will not pass 300,000 [21:49] CrystalMath err [21:49] CrystalMath i dhink US deaths from COVID-19 will not pass 300,000 [21:49] CrystalMath i think US deaths from COVID-19 will not pass 300,000 [21:49] Ariadne ok [21:49] CrystalMath finally typed it right [21:49] DaemonFC[m] Eh, I'd say about 1-2 out of every 100 people I see in Walmart are not wearing their mask or are using it as a chin diaper. [21:49] DaemonFC[m] I give them a very wide berth. [21:49] Ariadne every epidemiologist says 400k minimum [21:49] Ariadne but sure [21:49] DaemonFC[m] I like to stay at least 15 or 20 feet away when I see them. [21:49] Ariadne whatever you say, my dude [21:49] CrystalMath Ariadne: the current count is 250,000 [21:49] CrystalMath rodolpho[m]: with about 700/day [21:50] CrystalMath not enough days left [21:50] Ariadne the death rate is not linear [21:50] CrystalMath 38 days left until the end of the year, you need 150,000 deaths [21:50] CrystalMath that would be almost 4,000/day [21:50] CrystalMath never seen [21:50] schestowitz xmas doesn't end it [21:50] CrystalMath it's higher than the peak deaths per day [21:50] schestowitz the virus has no deadline [21:50] schestowitz many high-profile people get re-infected [21:50] CrystalMath x-mas is too late in the year to get people to die in 2020 [21:51] Ariadne ok [21:51] schestowitz now Mo Salah the footballer [21:51] Ariadne so they die in 2021 [21:51] Ariadne they die either way [21:51] CrystalMath and i was right [21:51] schestowitz so it's not over once you beat it the first time [21:51] CrystalMath less than 30,000 in 2020 [21:51] CrystalMath err [21:51] CrystalMath *300,000 [21:51] schestowitz like ordinary flu, just more lethal and we don't have vaccines for it [21:51] schestowitz anyway, debating with eugenicists is a waste of time [21:52] Ariadne i don't think it is unreasonable to abide by public health guidelines (when they make sense) [21:52] schestowitz or nihilists [21:52] CrystalMath i'm not a eugenicist [21:52] CrystalMath but i am a nihliist [21:52] schestowitz because you have different working assumptions [21:52] MinceR 23 224436 < Ariadne> what about the people they spread it to unknowingly who then die? [21:52] schestowitz CrystalMath WANTS people to die [21:52] MinceR well, you should know by now that people who were already born have no right to life :> [21:52] CrystalMath but not some [21:52] schestowitz he enjoys it [21:52] schestowitz we don't [21:52] CrystalMath only all [21:52] CrystalMath and through not breeding [21:52] CrystalMath the church of euthanasia does not endorse ANY violence [21:52] CrystalMath i've always been consistently anti-war here [21:53] Ariadne for example, the bay area lockdown forcing people to isolate in their own home (instead of with a companion) did not make much sense. [21:53] schestowitz biological war [21:53] schestowitz that's also a war [21:53] schestowitz you suggest letting a lethal thing overwhelm hospitals [21:53] CrystalMath it's not a war if nature does it [21:53] schestowitz I might need a hospital one day [21:53] CrystalMath a hurricane is not a war [21:53] schestowitz and they hardly have beds left [21:53] CrystalMath a tsunami is not a war [21:53] Ariadne CrystalMath: i support euthansia, but i dn't support people dying needlessly of COVID-19. [21:53] schestowitz soon they'll do December sub-zero camps outside for excess patients [21:54] CrystalMath schestowitz: that is really tragic, and sad [21:54] schestowitz tsunamis are not spread by idiots who call themselves nihilists [21:54] CrystalMath they should just send COVID-19 patients home as 80% don't require treatment [21:54] Ariadne they do [21:54] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I sent my dad two emails. [21:54] Ariadne i had COVID-19 in april, they sent me home and told me to isolate [21:54] MinceR they should just close all hospitals and end all healthcare because the majority of humans don't require treatment [21:54] DaemonFC[m] One subject "Bye Don" with the Michigan and Pennsylvania news. [21:54] schestowitz we have a quarter million covid patients hospitalised now in the UK [21:55] Ariadne the people who are there really need to be there [21:55] DaemonFC[m] Then another one "Bye Don Part II - Elite Strike(out) Team". [21:55] CrystalMath MinceR: leave it open for those who do, and the 20% of COVID-19 cases [21:55] schestowitz so if I break a leg or something I don't expect to get much medical treatment, not as a priority [21:55] DaemonFC[m] With this. [21:55] DaemonFC[m] Trump is worried that his campaigns legal team, which is being led by his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, is composed of fools that are making him look bad, NBC News reported Monday. [21:55] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:55] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/trump-fears-giuliani-and-other-biden-vote-challenge-lawyers-are-fools.html [21:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump fears Giuliani and other Biden vote challenge lawyers are fools [21:55] DaemonFC[m] Send in the clowns [21:55] schestowitz lol [21:55] CrystalMath i think Trump's fears may be justified :P [21:56] schestowitz CrystalMath also makes trump supporters "look like fools" [21:56] schestowitz and deadly ones, too [21:56] Ariadne the COVID patients that get hospitalized need to be there, because they need oxygen [21:58] Ariadne if you show covid symptoms, but have oxygen saturation above 90% they send you home [21:58] Ariadne and tell you to isolate ● Nov 23 [22:00] DaemonFC[m] I went from considering myself fairly moderate and tough on immigration to having a hard wake up call under this administration, you know, especially with the immigration part, because whatever most of these people did, it wasn't bad enough to get treated like this. [22:01] CrystalMath schestowitz: i'm far from a typical Trump supporter [22:01] DaemonFC[m] If someone sneaks into the country, cite them, banish them, fly them back. Okay, with some exceptions. [22:01] CrystalMath schestowitz: most of them appear to be religious, for example [22:02] DaemonFC[m] But these "detention camps" are certainly the worst thing we've had in this country since Japanese-American internment. [22:02] DaemonFC[m] It must stop. [22:02] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: i doubt Biden will stop them [22:02] CrystalMath he didn't stop them 2008-2016 [22:02] CrystalMath he could have [22:02] DaemonFC[m] And my parents don't even want to see what they did. [22:02] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU Guix 1.2 Adds Btrfs Subvolume Booting, New GNU Hurd Options http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144671#comment-27227 [https://pleroma.site/objects/512e5d28-3551-4308-a15e-31e7286ffcdb] [22:03] DaemonFC[m] They couldn't live with themselves if they acknowledged that there's not much daylight between them and the people who brought Hitler to Germany. [22:03] CrystalMath all that will change is that the media and big tech will stop talking about it [22:03] CrystalMath but it carries on [22:03] CrystalMath because wasn't great in 2008-2016 [22:04] DaemonFC[m] We weren't shooting at pregnant women at the border under Obama, as memory serves. [22:04] CrystalMath it needed someone to make it great again, and Trump didn't do it [22:04] DaemonFC[m] Can't say I remember chemical weapons attacks against picketers either. [22:04] DaemonFC[m] Trump and his whole family deserve to burn in hell. Failing that, I'm certainly glad to see New York move to deal with them. [22:04] DaemonFC[m] It's way past time. [22:05] DaemonFC[m] He got voted out, and now we'll lock him up. [22:05] DaemonFC[m] Ironically just what his supporters were chanting about Hillary. [22:05] CrystalMath Hillary should be locked up [22:05] Ariadne why? [22:06] DaemonFC[m] He's lucky that I'm not the presiding judge at his case. I'd sentence him to hard labor until he fucking died from it. [22:06] CrystalMath for what she did while she was secretary of state Ariadne [22:06] xvx why does Barron deserve to go to hell [22:06] schestowitz [22:05] Hillary should be locked up [22:06] Ariadne which was what [22:06] xvx poor boy [22:06] CrystalMath regarding Syria [22:06] schestowitz then ivalka trump also [22:06] schestowitz for same thing [22:06] CrystalMath schestowitz: oh, did Ivanka Trump invade Syria to kill Gaddhafi? [22:06] CrystalMath err [22:06] schestowitz According to John Bolton, Donald knew it and threw a fuse to distract from that Ivanka scandal [22:06] CrystalMath lol [22:06] CrystalMath i'm worse than biden now [22:06] Ariadne so hillary should be locked up because you disagree with american foreign policy? [22:07] CrystalMath and now i was sidetracked [22:07] xvx well DaemonFC[m]??? [22:07] schestowitz afaik, those are confidentiality crimes [22:07] CrystalMath so i mean... [22:07] CrystalMath she didn't invade Libya [22:07] schestowitz locking up people for that would requite jailing Kushners and Trumps [22:07] CrystalMath nor Syria [22:07] schestowitz but the Trumps committed far bigger crimes [22:07] DaemonFC[m] You know, I meant him, Eric, Don Jr.... Mostly. [22:08] Ariadne hillary did not invade syria either. [22:08] DaemonFC[m] Barron is just an Asperger's patient and way too young to be criminally culpable for anything yet. [22:08] Ariadne that was the State. [22:08] schestowitz HRC is horrible, but it's not her who invaded libya and syria [22:08] xvx his niece Mary Trump deserves hell the most [22:08] CrystalMath Ariadne: the entire administration that invaded Libya should be put in prison [22:08] DaemonFC[m] They kept him away from the media because they didn't want to admit that he's on the spectrum. [22:08] schestowitz it's us congress, both parties [22:08] DaemonFC[m] I think that's more insulting to people with mental illness than it is anything. [22:08] Ariadne if we are proposing imprisoning people for poor State policy decisions, then Trump must be locked up too. [22:09] CrystalMath Ariadne: no, just for wars [22:09] Ariadne Trump has tried his best to start a war with Iran. [22:09] CrystalMath but he didn't do so [22:09] schestowitz he was stopped [22:09] CrystalMath although the murder of Soleimani is indeed atrocious [22:09] Ariadne only because the Iranians have shown significant restraint. [22:09] schestowitz Obama did not start full wars, either [22:09] schestowitz only covert ones [22:09] schestowitz clandestine [22:10] schestowitz or proxy wars [22:10] DaemonFC[m] "The Republican National Committee and Michigan Republican Party sent a letter to the board of canvassers on Saturday asking them to delay certification for 14 days. They also asked for them to wait for an audit of the election results in Wayne County, the largest county in the state that includes Detroit -- even though state law doesn't allow that." [22:10] schestowitz Bush (GOP) did [22:10] schestowitz with Biden's support [22:10] schestowitz and Trump's as well [22:10] DaemonFC[m] The Michigan Republicans urged the board to break the law. [22:10] schestowitz though he lies about it now [22:10] DaemonFC[m] Well, that's nice, isn't it? [22:10] CrystalMath schestowitz: Trump supported the war on Iraq, as a democrat? [22:10] Ariadne yes [22:10] DaemonFC[m] Gee, let's just follow the laws we agree with and ignore the rest. Nothing bad ever happens from that, does it? [22:10] Ariadne in 2004, he did [22:10] schestowitz he was never a democrat [22:10] Ariadne he claims he did not now [22:10] schestowitz another Trump lie [22:10] CrystalMath yes he was schestowitz, he was a member of the democratic party [22:10] Ariadne schestowitz: that one is true, actually. [22:10] schestowitz when D was in power he pretended to be on their side [22:11] schestowitz while filing his endless bankruptcies [22:11] CrystalMath when Bush was in power Trump was a democrat [22:11] Ariadne trump switched parties in 2012 [22:11] Ariadne to run for president as a republican [22:11] Ariadne then again in 2016 [22:11] DaemonFC[m] There's no coming back from this. There's no pending cases left in Nevada or Arizona, so they certify next. [22:11] DaemonFC[m] Georgia and Michigan both certified for Biden already. [22:11] CrystalMath i think Biden fairly won in NV and AZ [22:11] DaemonFC[m] There just aren't enough electoral votes left out there for Trump to steal this election. [22:12] CrystalMath but MI and GA were stolen [22:12] CrystalMath and so was PA [22:12] schestowitz it's over for hikm [22:12] DaemonFC[m] Even if he pulled a rabbit out of his ass in Wisconsin and/or Pennsylvania. [22:12] Ariadne CrystalMath: stolen how? [22:12] schestowitz but nonchalance can still help him incite his base [22:12] schestowitz thinking it was Biden who stole the election [22:12] schestowitz birtherism 2.0 [22:12] CrystalMath Ariadne: they didn't allow republicans to look over the counting [22:12] Ariadne that is not theft [22:12] Ariadne and, they were allowed [22:12] schestowitz they sent armed people [22:12] Ariadne it was random idiots trump riled up on twitter [22:12] schestowitz to watch over counters [22:12] Ariadne who were not allowed [22:13] DaemonFC[m] Nancy Pelosi did her job pretty well, actually. [22:13] schestowitz like in some Nicaraguan 'election' [22:13] Ariadne hell no she didn't [22:13] schestowitz never saw such a thing before [22:13] schestowitz Trump's "the first" [22:13] DaemonFC[m] She ran his presidency into the rocks and impeached him. [22:13] CrystalMath Ariadne: also the dominion voting system is probably ripe for rigging [22:13] CrystalMath Ariadne: and voting by mail as a whole (not just this year) [22:13] DaemonFC[m] As House Speaker, she could have blocked the impeachment. [22:13] Ariadne voting by mail is more secure than voting in person [22:13] CrystalMath Ariadne: absolutely not! [22:13] Ariadne absolutely so. [22:14] CrystalMath absolutely not, it's a disaster [22:14] CrystalMath here it's absolutely forbidden [22:14] DaemonFC[m] Why would a government where Republicans run everything use compromised software that only stole the election for Biden and didn't win the Democrats both Senate seats and majority control of the state government while it was at it? [22:14] CrystalMath if someone can't go to vote in person, the state goes to that person's home [22:14] Ariadne ballots are securely tracked, and must match personally identifying information on file with the election board. [22:14] CrystalMath to get a clear vote from them [22:14] Ariadne really, it's secure. [22:14] DaemonFC[m] It just makes no sense. If you're going to steal an election, you'd just steal the election. [22:14] CrystalMath Ariadne: you're not thinking far enough [22:14] DaemonFC[m] You wouldn't stop at one item. [22:15] CrystalMath Ariadne: you see, there's a good reason why where i live, it's illegal to take pictures of your ballot [22:15] CrystalMath Ariadne: why? because that could serve as proof that you voted - which could grant you benefits [22:15] DaemonFC[m] There's a law like that in Illinois, but it's struck down. [22:15] MinceR 23 231327 < CrystalMath> Ariadne: also the dominion voting system is probably ripe for rigging [22:15] CrystalMath if you vote at hoe,t here's no way to stop that [22:15] MinceR 23 214908 <@MinceR> there was also some whining about diebold/premier/dominion's shitty voting machines [22:15] Ariadne CrystalMath: what am i missing? please, explain. is there a secret room filled with jews who tamper with the ballot? [22:15] MinceR 23 214917 <@MinceR> but those were in use since 2004 or even before [22:15] MinceR 23 214922 <@MinceR> and it's a problem only in 2020? [22:15] DaemonFC[m] It's a felony, but the state Supreme Court ruled that banning ballot selfies is unconstitutional. [22:15] CrystalMath Ariadne: no, i'm talking about paying people to vote one way or the other [22:15] Ariadne and they can't do that in person? [22:16] CrystalMath Ariadne: not if you ban people from taking cameras into the voting booth [22:16] CrystalMath Ariadne: i think that's the only way... no cameras, no nothing, scanned before entry [22:16] Ariadne you assume that i care about proof [22:16] CrystalMath the people who pay good money care [22:16] MinceR apparently the weaknesses of the system are impossible to abuse in favor of those that people like CrystalMath want to win [22:16] Ariadne yes, and those people are who exactly? [22:16] DaemonFC[m] I reported a Republican who took a ballot selfie with a ballot marked Trump to the Cook County state's attorney. [22:16] MinceR it's only a problem when cheeto hitler loses [22:16] DaemonFC[m] They couldn't do anything because the law against it had been struck down. [22:16] CrystalMath MinceR: no i have ALWAYS been against voting by mail [22:17] DaemonFC[m] Utah only does elections by mail. [22:17] MinceR and oceania has ALWAYS been at war with eastasia [22:17] DaemonFC[m] I wouldn't be surprised if at least several more states go mail elections only in the next cycle or two. [22:17] CrystalMath Ariadne: over here it happens a lot [22:17] DaemonFC[m] It saves them a lot of money. [22:17] Ariadne if i was going to pay people to vote, i would just bake in some margin of people who would vote against the candidate i wanted to win. [22:17] Ariadne so, let me get this straight. [22:17] CrystalMath Ariadne: it could happen over there, we're all people [22:17] DaemonFC[m] That's a big thing in Illinois right now since the progressive tax measure failed. [22:18] Ariadne where you live, it is illegal to prove you voted some way or another. [22:18] CrystalMath Ariadne: yes [22:18] Ariadne but yet, people are buying votes. [22:18] DaemonFC[m] There's a lot of things the state does stupidly that waste money. [22:18] CrystalMath Ariadne: right, people break the law here all the time [22:18] MinceR 23 231501 < CrystalMath> Ariadne: you see, there's a good reason why where i live, it's illegal to take pictures of your ballot [22:18] Ariadne "happens all the time" [22:18] CrystalMath Ariadne: they take pictures anyway [22:18] MinceR 23 231513 < CrystalMath> Ariadne: why? because that could serve as proof that you voted - which could grant you benefits [22:18] MinceR twitler's fanboys are eliminating the equivalent of that law in hungary right now [22:18] DaemonFC[m] It seems like the legislature is going to have to look into doing some trimming, but I voted for the progressive tax because no amount of trimming is going to fix the budget completely. [22:18] Ariadne CrystalMath: so i ask, why can't they do that with in-person voting? [22:18] MinceR funny, isn't it? [22:19] CrystalMath Ariadne: because taking pictures should be illegal and should be controlled better [22:19] DaemonFC[m] I think we need to look into local government consolidation more than anything. [22:19] CrystalMath Ariadne: but it's the government that does the election stealing, so they don'tcare [22:19] Ariadne how do you propose they control this? [22:19] CrystalMath Ariadne: i say put a scanner people must walk through [22:19] CrystalMath no electronics allowed [22:19] CrystalMath super sensitive for even the tiniest amount of metal [22:19] CrystalMath an atom of metal should set it off [22:19] MinceR do you think people with pacemakers would all vote against Agent Orange? [22:20] Ariadne and so, grandma with the hip replacement is nominated for a full body cavity search just to vote? [22:20] MinceR or people with other metal implants, for that matter [22:20] DaemonFC[m] I think Illinois should do all mail elections. [22:20] CrystalMath they'd have to bring proof of those [22:20] CrystalMath to be exempt [22:20] DaemonFC[m] We could save about $150 million in the next 10 years that way. [22:20] MinceR ah, so people paying people to vote for your enemies will also hand out such papers [22:20] Ariadne so then how do you prevent the people with pacemakers from cheating? [22:20] CrystalMath Ariadne: they're not a majority [22:21] Ariadne yeah they have a pacemaker, but then they also have a nokia 3320 shoved up their ass. [22:21] CrystalMath no one will pay just them, it's futile [22:21] MinceR what a coincidence, the contested votes aren't a majority either [22:21] MinceR and the votes Steaming Dump won with in 2016 weren't a majority either! [22:21] DaemonFC[m] I updated my registration. I might ask for a mail ballot for the local election early next year. [22:22] DaemonFC[m] I felt it was more urgent to vote this year. There was more at stake than who was going to be the mayor. [22:22] Ariadne anyway, as fascinating as this conversation has been, i need to get some actual work done. [22:22] MinceR :> [22:22] CrystalMath MinceR: well it isn't futile to try and grab Trump's demographic in america [22:22] MinceR stupid people? [22:22] Ariadne grab the Trump demographic by the pussy [22:22] MinceR :> [22:22] CrystalMath i meant like, religious evangelicals [22:23] MinceR ah, so yes, stupid people. [22:23] CrystalMath :P [22:23] DaemonFC[m] I'll consider the Republican candidate again if they stop being an extremist party that is pandering to stupid people. [22:23] CrystalMath well... [22:23] DaemonFC[m] Not likely, not impossible. [22:23] CrystalMath MinceR: it's important than someone stands up for the stupid people too [22:23] CrystalMath they've been really treated badly [22:23] MinceR their caretakers? [22:23] CrystalMath no they're not that stupid [22:23] Ariadne the last time we had stupid people in charge, we burned witches at the stake [22:23] MinceR are they? [22:24] CrystalMath Ariadne: that was just MA [22:24] Ariadne not just MA [22:24] CrystalMath MinceR: they don't have caretakers [22:24] Ariadne MA is just the one people remember. [22:24] MinceR CrystalMath: and that's a problem [22:24] CrystalMath MinceR: they don't need caretakers, they're fine living by themselves [22:24] MinceR maybe the state should exist solely for stupid people [22:24] CrystalMath but they believe in things [22:25] CrystalMath i don't think they should be spit on [22:25] CrystalMath just for that [22:25] MinceR and by those things, they fuck up their own lives [22:25] CrystalMath sure, and everyone has the right to do that [22:25] MinceR and, given power over other people, they fuck up other people's lives too [22:25] CrystalMath you can't tell someone how to live [22:25] Ariadne see also: COVID-19 [22:25] MinceR which is why there shouldn't be any states [22:25] CrystalMath COVID-19 was not created by humans [22:25] CrystalMath that's a conspiracy theory [22:25] CrystalMath and it's false [22:25] Ariadne that wasn't what i was saying [22:26] CrystalMath so it's a natural virus [22:26] Ariadne the handling of COVID-19 has fucked up people's lives [22:26] CrystalMath it's organic [22:26] Ariadne ok? [22:26] CrystalMath nature is never wrong [22:26] Ariadne that's not the point [22:26] Ariadne the handling of COVID-19 has fucked up people's lives [22:26] CrystalMath not even when it says some people should die [22:26] *MinceR is producing CO2 right now [22:26] MinceR it's organic [22:26] Ariadne some people, sure, but as participants in nature, we must follow our own nature, and minimize human deaths [22:27] CrystalMath Ariadne: is it human nature to restrict your own life so that someone 90 can live to be 93? [22:27] CrystalMath if so, then screw human nature [22:27] Ariadne if that 90 year old is potentially my grandma, yes. [22:27] CrystalMath that's STUPID [22:27] MinceR it would be better to reduce birth rates [22:27] CrystalMath stupider than all the evangelism combined [22:27] CrystalMath yes but someone 90 [22:27] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Yes, but Bill Gates is offsetting his emissions by reducing other people's living standards and killing them early with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. [22:27] CrystalMath should be glad they even got to be 80 [22:27] CrystalMath even 70 [22:28] CrystalMath they shouldn't want a day more [22:28] Ariadne does not change the fact that their children do not want to see them die [22:28] CrystalMath because they don't understand that everybody dies? [22:28] CrystalMath because they WILL see it [22:28] Ariadne and are generally willing to take reasonable steps to minimize that [22:28] MinceR 23 232804 < CrystalMath> they shouldn't want a day more [22:28] CrystalMath which will be fruitless [22:28] MinceR human society is taking care of that [22:29] *Ariadne shrugs [22:29] CrystalMath i think that human society forgot to acknowledge its own limits [22:29] CrystalMath people MUST die [22:29] CrystalMath everybody [22:29] CrystalMath sooner or later [22:29] MinceR NOW! [22:29] CrystalMath no, not now [22:29] CrystalMath one day [22:29] CrystalMath :) [22:29] MinceR ok, then NOW! [22:29] CrystalMath hey, can't it be tomorrow? [22:29] CrystalMath i want to finish this track i'm making [22:29] *cubexyz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [22:29] MinceR ok, it's only 31 minutes [22:30] CrystalMath dammit, i meant the day after tomorrow [22:30] MinceR too late [22:30] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [22:32] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: A New Chrome OS-Like Ubuntu Remix is Now Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144676#comment-27229 [https://pleroma.site/objects/29cb273c-5915-43ab-a35c-5500d1510cd4] [22:33] CrystalMath MinceR: i still think you get what i mean [22:33] CrystalMath it's not that everyone needs to die right now [22:33] Ariadne everybody's GOING TO DIE [22:33] CrystalMath it's that "population greed" and "longevity greed" needs to disappear [22:33] CrystalMath one should be happy with however many years they got [22:33] CrystalMath and trust nature [22:33] MinceR yes, your longevity greed needs to disappear [22:34] CrystalMath i don't have any [22:34] MinceR stop haggling for an extra day [22:34] CrystalMath i want to live 30 [22:34] CrystalMath years [22:34] CrystalMath that's all [22:34] Ariadne if you dont have longevity greed, why not end it right now? [22:34] Ariadne to not do so would be greedy [22:34] CrystalMath Ariadne: well i still have a few years left :P [22:34] MinceR that 90 year old grandmother that would die of COVID-19 has a few, too [22:34] Ariadne and the 90 year old may still have a few years left if they don't get COVID-19 [22:35] CrystalMath if i get covid and die before i hit 30 [22:35] CrystalMath that's fine [22:35] CrystalMath i trust nature's decision [22:35] MinceR it's insane to sacrifice the quality of our lives so that we can load this planet with a couple million more people [22:35] CrystalMath MinceR: it is [22:35] CrystalMath MinceR: so why are we doing it with covid lockdowns??? [22:35] MinceR we aren't [22:35] CrystalMath covid lockdwowns reduce the quality of our lives [22:35] CrystalMath *lockdowns [22:36] MinceR we're buying time so that we can defeat SARS-CoV-2 and have more meaningful, quality time in our lives [22:36] Ariadne the point of the covid lockdown is not to preserve life, but to ensure the hospital system does not get DDoSed [22:36] Ariadne because if the hospital system gets DDoSed then everyone is screwed [22:37] CrystalMath that's a fair point, and i believed it until i realized that few covid patients actually need medical care [22:37] Ariadne the ones who do need medical care are still a non-trivial amount [22:37] Ariadne and even still [22:38] Ariadne overwhelming the hospitals with people who ultimately are discharged still takes away resources for triage of people who do need medical care [22:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi automation add-on offers ADCs, DIDO, and UPS su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144688 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d1c02499-47a9-4975-ac4e-f26e57927c5d] [22:38] CrystalMath Ariadne: well... maybe covid infected don't need to go at all [22:39] Ariadne i thought the covid lockdowns were stupid in march, until i thought about it systemically [22:39] CrystalMath *the covid infected [22:39] Ariadne maybe they don't [22:39] Ariadne but they will [22:39] CrystalMath they can stay at home [22:39] Ariadne because humans are taught if you're sick [22:39] Ariadne you go see the doctor [22:39] CrystalMath meh, not me [22:39] CrystalMath i don't [22:39] Ariadne that's you [22:39] Ariadne most do [22:39] Ariadne unless they know it is minor [22:39] CrystalMath i love nature and all its creatures *except* H. sapiens [22:40] DaemonFC[m] "Giuliani, who was once a top federal prosecutor in Manhattan, also presided over the press conference at RNC headquarters, where he stood and watched Powell promote the campaigns most far-fetched vote fraud allegations to date." [22:40] CrystalMath H. sapiens and all its descendants are a pest [22:40] CrystalMath one that should be exterminated from the planet [22:40] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, it's hard to believe that he got a single conviction if this is what he was acting like then. [22:40] MinceR CrystalMath: it seems that SARS-CoV-2 can infect many other mammals as well [22:40] Ariadne please start with yourself [22:41] CrystalMath Ariadne: that's inefficient [22:41] CrystalMath Ariadne: instead i'll support antihumanism among humans [22:42] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144689 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9dc38b07-645a-4f6f-8678-52043a9f0c87] [22:43] CrystalMath Ariadne: some plans however could turn H. sapiens into a tame animal that behaves [22:43] CrystalMath like anarcho-primitivism [22:43] CrystalMath if we all discarded all technology [22:43] CrystalMath we could stop being pests [22:43] Ariadne i don't want to hear about your BDSM sessions [22:43] CrystalMath lol, that's not what i meant :P [22:43] MinceR we could, by becoming extinct [22:44] MinceR we probably wouldn't even survive to see the Sun going red giant [22:44] MinceR we'd be taken out by an asteroid impact [22:44] CrystalMath the evil that humans do is called technology [22:44] MinceR no amount of praying would prevent it [22:44] MinceR no, the evil that humans do is called evil [22:44] CrystalMath that's stupid [22:44] Ariadne i would just like to point out that you allegedly work on ReactOS, a form of technology [22:44] CrystalMath it's vague [22:45] DaemonFC[m] https://www.wsj.com/articles/gm-stops-backing-trump-administration-in-emissions-fight-with-california-11606160905?mod=hp_lead_pos4 [22:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GM Stops Backing Trump Administration in Emissions Fight With California - WSJ [22:45] MinceR CrystalMath: i would just like to point out that you're using IRC, a form of technology, to send us these messages [22:45] CrystalMath Ariadne: we used to have political debates a lot in the team, especially when i'm around, but i ultimately decided to outsource them to the rest of IRC [22:45] MinceR so it would be less evil if you stopped [22:45] DaemonFC[m] GM says their goals for fuel efficiency now "align with the incoming Biden administration" after years of backing Trump's attempt to gut California's fuel economy standards. [22:46] CrystalMath of course back then i was a socialist [22:46] Ariadne now you're just a national socialist [22:46] Ariadne got it [22:46] MinceR :> [22:46] CrystalMath Ariadne: no, i'm a libertarian [22:47] CrystalMath Ariadne: i don't believe in nationalism nor socialism [22:47] MinceR apparently many national socialists call themselves "libertarian" [22:47] CrystalMath what's nationalist, or socialist, about me? [22:47] MinceR your loud and constant support for a national socialist would be one [22:48] CrystalMath but the situation is so bad that Trump is the best choice [22:48] CrystalMath it's not my fault [22:48] CrystalMath i would have Jo Jorgenson as president of the US any day [22:48] MinceR yet we don't see you advertise them much here, do we? [22:48] CrystalMath i'm sure i mentioned her before [22:49] CrystalMath she's from illinois, just like DaemonFC[m] [22:50] schestowitz [22:27] MinceR: Yes, but Bill Gates is offsetting his emissions by reducing other people's living standards and killing them early with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. [22:50] schestowitz ta savings for gates = 'charity' [22:51] schestowitz more tax breaks the billionaires = more 'philanthropy' [22:51] schestowitz for 'job creators' [22:51] schestowitz who 'trickle it all down' [22:51] DaemonFC[m] Jo Jorgenson on the ballot was the spoiler in Georgia. [22:51] DaemonFC[m] It was not a stolen election. [22:51] schestowitz (down to offshore islands, tax havens) [22:52] DaemonFC[m] It was that Trump pissed off just enough Republicans to register a protest vote instead of one for him. [22:52] CrystalMath DaemonFC[m]: both Trump and Biden supporters accused Jorgenson of being a spoiler and causing their candidate to lose [22:52] CrystalMath the fact that both sides did so is proof that it's not really the case [22:53] Ariadne i was planning to do an amiga stream this weekend, but the WISP i had decided now was a good time to terminate operations [22:53] CrystalMath if you're a spoiler for both sides, then you're in the middle [22:53] DaemonFC[m] Biden would have still won the electoral college without Jorgenson, but he would have done so probably without Georgia and Wisconsin, which would take him down to 280 electoral votes. [22:53] MinceR or one of the sides is right and the other is wrong [22:53] Ariadne and i'm pretty sure viasat is unusable for streaming [22:53] Ariadne :) [22:53] CrystalMath MinceR: well if Biden won, that would make the Trump side right [22:53] CrystalMath MinceR: because then they had a "spoiler" [22:54] Ariadne biden did win [22:54] Ariadne please just shut up [22:54] Ariadne thanks [22:54] CrystalMath well i don't think it's over yet [22:54] schestowitz [22:36] the point of the covid lockdown is not to preserve life, but to ensure the hospital system does not get DDoSed [22:54] schestowitz yes [22:54] schestowitz which in turn can kill the young, too [22:54] schestowitz infants even [22:54] schestowitz tragic and traumatic experience for young parents [22:55] CrystalMath it would indeed be tragic if doctors let people die because they were too busy treating the goddamned common cold [22:56] MinceR rejoice [22:56] MinceR they're not busy treating the common cold [22:56] MinceR they're busy treating COVID-19 [22:56] MinceR which is not the common cold [22:57] schestowitz the common cold does not kill half a million Americans each year [22:57] CrystalMath COVID-19 is precisely the common cold i was referring to [22:57] Ariadne COVID-19 is not the common cold. [22:57] CrystalMath neither does COVID-19 schestowitz [22:57] schestowitz and even more if the US didn't practice some distancing, masking etc. [22:58] CrystalMath it killed quarter of a million [22:58] CrystalMath and will maybe reach a third of it [22:58] Ariadne while some viruses that cause the common cold are coronaviruses, they are not SARS-CoV-2 [22:58] CrystalMath but not half [22:58] CrystalMath Ariadne: SARS-CoV-2 isn't that different [22:58] Ariadne great [22:58] Ariadne well, it's different enough to be more lethal [22:59] schestowitz 55k deaths in uk https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274 [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Covid-19 in the UK: How many coronavirus cases are there in your area? - BBC News [22:59] MinceR does it make you feel better that what is making you suffocate in your own fluids is "not that different" from the one that wouldn't? [22:59] schestowitz and when taken into account on year-to-year trend (indirect factors), maybe 100k soon [22:59] CrystalMath facutally [22:59] CrystalMath *actually [22:59] CrystalMath every coronavirus can be letahl [22:59] CrystalMath *lethal [22:59] schestowitz 100k out of 69,000k ● Nov 23 [23:00] CrystalMath literally every single one has killed at least 1 person [23:00] schestowitz one in 690 [23:00] schestowitz in less than a year [23:00] CrystalMath Duvinacovirus killed exactly 1 in documented cases [23:00] Ariadne everything on this planet CAN be lethal [23:00] Ariadne talking to you CAN be lethal, because i wish to blow my brains out to make the stupidity end [23:00] CrystalMath what's stupid in what i'm saying? [23:00] CrystalMath i mean i can understand that it's a little harsh towards humanity [23:00] CrystalMath but why would it be stupid? [23:01] schestowitz Ariadne: maybe he'll eventually kill himself at age 29 [23:01] schestowitz with IRC open in the background, coz 'tech sucks' [23:01] Ariadne i have sheep to feed, bbl [23:01] MinceR will the method of suicide also be "evil" technology? [23:02] CrystalMath MinceR: idk, i'd likely go for a rope, or jumping head first towards solid concrete [23:02] MinceR rope and concrete are both technology [23:02] CrystalMath fine i can go mountain climbing or something [23:03] MinceR without any tools? [23:03] MinceR how will you get to the mountain? [23:03] CrystalMath okay i'll admit that was a little dumb of me [23:03] CrystalMath it is in fact pretty tough to do without technology [23:04] CrystalMath and i never really think about avoiding personal-use technology [23:04] schestowitz MinceR: he'll use some 'tech' to come up with effective suicide methods [23:04] CrystalMath i advocate against that which requires massive organization [23:04] MinceR :> [23:05] CrystalMath massive organization often leads to massive surveillance anyway [23:05] CrystalMath that's why it's so evil [23:05] MinceR CrystalMath: is trade "massive organization"? [23:05] schestowitz Sinatra tried many times and failed [23:05] schestowitz I'm always baffled by people who stuff their heads in the oven [23:05] schestowitz thinking they can kill themselves that way [23:05] schestowitz as if reflexes will stop at will [23:06] schestowitz I heard that Ian Murdock had been suicidal before he finally killed himself [23:06] schestowitz something about his wife Debbie being aware of it [23:06] schestowitz the police tipped him over the edge [23:06] schestowitz so he hung himself with electric cord on the stairs I think [23:06] schestowitz from the vacuum cleaner or something [23:06] schestowitz shirtless [23:07] schestowitz technology [23:07] schestowitz vacuum cleaner [23:07] schestowitz sucked the life out of him [23:07] CrystalMath was he anti-tech? [23:07] schestowitz no [23:08] CrystalMath i like head-first falls, it's like a reverse guillotine [23:09] MinceR brings you to life by putting your neck together? [23:09] CrystalMath heh [23:09] Ariadne http://rabbit.dereferenced.org/~nenolod/suicide-methods.txt seems relevant here [23:10] MinceR lol [23:10] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Moving into the future with the FSF tech team su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144690 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b1e43777-2100-4c82-b804-a20359278c1a] [23:12] *esaym153 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [23:12] MinceR > the actual use of any of these methods is not recommended without first considering other possibilities, such as dying of old age. [23:12] MinceR lol [23:14] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcing Istio 1.6.14 su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144691 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5c22b40d-31d5-44e6-a223-9d01813eec05] [23:15] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/09/17/7cb3c90ce90b714a.mp4 [23:17] CrystalMath alt.suicide.holiday [23:17] CrystalMath that's my church's USENET [23:17] CrystalMath :) [23:20] *esaym153 (~esaym153@net153.net) has joined #techrights [23:20] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: RetroArch, PulseAudio, Anarch su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144692 [https://pleroma.site/objects/32d95fb1-d7c2-40c2-8965-b335025b4c91] [23:22] CrystalMath (regarding AIDS) Available: Available to all for free [23:22] CrystalMath nice [23:22] CrystalMath i love the humor here [23:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KaOS 2020.11 Run Though http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144622#comment-27231 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d0ab629d-029c-48e4-80a9-6c06c45ddd03] [23:25] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [23:27] Ariadne AIDS at this point is a non-issue in almost all cases [23:28] Ariadne but that file is from the 90s [23:32] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2203/ [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Prescience [23:33] CrystalMath Ariadne: yeah but you can still suicide if you don't treat AIDS [23:33] CrystalMath it's really painful though [23:33] CrystalMath pneumocystis pneumonia is not fun [23:34] *schestowitz can't believe the channel became a debate on how to kill oneself [23:35] CrystalMath Ariadne: i'm subscribed to a.s.h. btw [23:36] CrystalMath a shame it's sorta dead nowadays [23:36] CrystalMath one monthly post [23:36] MinceR maybe it committed suicide? [23:36] schestowitz lol [23:36] schestowitz you beat me to this joke [23:36] schestowitz the good thing about suicide forums is, [23:36] schestowitz it's always ending up kind of dead [23:37] schestowitz suicide cults are a dying breed [23:37] DaemonFC[m] > * <@freenode_schestowitz:matrix.org> can't believe the channel became a debate on how to kill oneself [23:37] DaemonFC[m] One day at a time. The socially acceptable way. [23:37] schestowitz and so on [23:37] DaemonFC[m] Suicide used to be illegal, you know. [23:38] MinceR how did they punish those who committed suicide? [23:38] DaemonFC[m] In less enlightened times they'd have hanged you for it. [23:38] CrystalMath then they realized "wait a minute..." [23:39] MinceR lol [23:40] DaemonFC[m] Carlin: "You notice it's never 'I think he's down there right now, looking up at us and screaming in agony.'". [23:40] CrystalMath https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=yfFs0o6pCxc [23:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | Ayds Diet Candy - Invidious [23:41] MinceR :> [23:41] CrystalMath AIDS is the best appetite suppressant money can buy [23:42] CrystalMath and there's no stimulant in AIDS that could make you nervous! [23:42] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC7HwPh6Es [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Team America-EVERYONE HAS AIDS! - YouTube [23:42] CrystalMath this video is even better: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=cjmxmHpBj4E [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | AIDS DIET CANDY COMMERCIAL - 1982 - Invidious [23:42] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:42] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/trump-appointee-informs-biden-that-gsa-will-begin-transition-process-reports-say.html [23:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump administration officially begins transition to Biden after weeks of delay [23:43] schestowitz ok [23:43] CrystalMath okay, so Biden won [23:43] schestowitz good [23:43] CrystalMath which means there will be a big challenge to maintain the freedom of invidiuals [23:44] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Sent dad another email. [23:44] DaemonFC[m] "Bye Don transition begins as Trump tells GSA to cooperate with the President-Elect." [23:44] DaemonFC[m] "Biblical. [23:44] DaemonFC[m] Yes, and Rudy Giuliani as the Trash Can Man in Trump's plague horror novel, The Stand, complete with the Coronavirus. [23:44] DaemonFC[m] -Ryan" [23:44] CrystalMath i mean, Biden can't be worse than Trudeau [23:45] CrystalMath and people still have some freedom in canada [23:45] MinceR did trudeau actually do anything? [23:45] MinceR i mean, that's still an improvement over harper... [23:47] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144693 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a7010b12-6c38-475c-ac1d-adb7a21a51f4] [23:47] schestowitz [23:44] Yes, and Rudy Giuliani as the Trash Can Man in Trump's plague horror novel, The Stand, complete with the Coronavirus. [23:47] schestowitz lol [23:48] CrystalMath how can covid feature in a horror novel.... "it's 2020, a tiny fraction of the world population is dying" [23:48] schestowitz MinceR: by US standards both relatively harmless [23:48] CrystalMath it just doesn't have a very scary ring to it [23:49] schestowitz Harper is Canadian Republican [23:49] schestowitz not US [23:49] schestowitz where that label doesn't mean sterilising immigrants [23:49] CrystalMath i should get myself acquainted with canadian politics [23:49] CrystalMath screw those US hosers [23:49] MinceR lol [23:49] MinceR you won't like it [23:50] schestowitz hicks: "kill yourselves!" [23:50] CrystalMath i like Alberta :) [23:50] CrystalMath it's pretty nice there eh [23:50] MinceR ah yes, the jesusland of canada [23:51] schestowitz Vancouver is supposed to be nice, but expensive... [23:51] schestowitz lots of real estate scooped up there by foreigners [23:52] schestowitz I suppose as a safe haven for times of trouble, not mere investment [23:52] schestowitz they get to see Soviet and USian nukes flying over their heads [23:52] schestowitz but not landing on them [23:52] schestowitz Alaska might get some of those nukes (landing) [23:53] CrystalMath vancouver is not far from alaska [23:53] CrystalMath alberta is near the middle [23:54] CrystalMath safest [23:54] CrystalMath it's where the working class lives [23:54] CrystalMath ontario and BC are evil technocrat areas [23:55] CrystalMath so is quebec nowadays [23:55] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mobile/Desktop Convergence su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144694 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fa7e3844-9fc8-4c61-a352-7e23f3f6dadf] [23:56] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:59] DaemonFC[m] In an all out nuclear exchange, it's not like it'll be safe to be anywhere on the planet. [23:59] DaemonFC[m] Trump has removed us from a lot of anti-proliferation treaties.