●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 ●● ● Dec 23 [00:01] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:02] XRevan86 scientes: I can't believe how much better Manjaro works on PinePhone than postmarketOS. [00:06] XRevan86 Could be because pmOS 20.05 is somewhat older, but could be the Alpine base too. Hard to tell, when I updated pmOS to master, it just broke %). [00:19] psydroid Are those usable on the phone? [00:20] XRevan86 psydroid: Well, that's the idea anyway. [00:20] psydroid I find that on Allwinner A64 I can't really go above 1080p or the whole interface with slow down to a crawl [00:21] psydroid will* [00:24] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz I get $1,200 from the same bill they attached two otherwise impossible copyright bills to. [00:24] DaemonFC[m] This CASE Act will create a free for all. [00:27] psydroid I'm running Debian Bullseye on it, which is the first version of the distribution that works properly on it because most of the drivers are included [00:34] vZS1 People tormenting RMS have a lot of bad karma coming for them. The man is getting old. Let him live in peace. [00:37] psydroid The article about organisations not calling Microsoft and accomplices out for their non-products due to several taboos having been instituted is spot on [00:38] XRevan86 psydroid: Well, I don't know about that. [00:39] XRevan86 postmarketOS with phosh is straight up unresponsive. [00:41] psydroid Some 20 companies are going to "cooperate to battle ransomware" so I said something to the tune of "paying for garbage, then paying for detection and lastly paying for post portem research" and got an angry response asking me what my approach would be and saying that it's easy to sit around and criticise while doing nothing [00:42] psydroid XRevan86, it must be terribly out of date and/or broken then, because it's generally pretty responsive with a lighter DE or WM [00:42] XRevan86 phosh is GNOME, so not that light [00:44] psydroid I don't use KDE or GNOME on that hardware, because it can't handle it [00:45] psydroid So yes, it must be a terrible experience [00:45] XRevan86 Manjaro with the very same phosh is a lot more smooth, that's the thing. [00:47] XRevan86 I'll try the master/edge version, maybe it'll behave differently. Pity I have to reflash it on the eMMC, I had Manjaro working there. [00:47] psydroid I would look at the Mesa drivers and the kernel, as they are still getting improved a lot [00:47] XRevan86 But the image pmOS is providing is an installer, so there's that. [00:47] XRevan86 Maybe I should've used pmbootstrap eh, whatever. [00:47] psydroid Things started coming together at the start of the year for me [00:48] XRevan86 psydroid: The images are specifically made for this very device, so [00:49] psydroid I wonder if I can run those images on my SBC, so I can get a better understanding of what's going on [00:49] psydroid Maybe with my own kernel build [00:50] XRevan86 The kernel is also specific for this device. [00:51] psydroid Which is just upstream 5.10.1 arm64 defconfig with some additional drivers enabled [00:51] psydroid Hmm, I wonder if some things haven't been upstreamed yet [00:56] schestowitz [00:24] schestowitz I get $1,200 from the same bill they attached two otherwise impossible copyright bills to. 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[07:35] chovy or vue [07:46] *rMdes (~rMdes_@my.armada.digital) has joined #techrights [07:48] *rMdes has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:49] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [07:50] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [07:51] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [07:53] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Dec 23 [08:07] *vallor has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:08] *vallor (~Ponzo@pdpc/supporter/monthlygold/vallor) has joined #techrights [08:22] schestowitz chovy: svelte? [08:23] schestowitz ah, vue.js [08:36] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [08:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [08:43] scientes XRevan86, yeah, I switched to mobian [08:43] scientes but yeah, I thought postmarketos would be good, but no [08:45] schestowitz I don't trust so-called 'phones' [08:45] schestowitz they're connected to a network at all times, unless you hobble them somehow [08:46] schestowitz the triangulation alone gives away your location, never mind the co-processor that typically enables remote takeover [08:46] schestowitz the tablets out there mostly run android sadly... and barely allow installing anything else [08:52] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:54] chovy schestowitz: yeah svelte is awesome [08:54] chovy https://svelte.dev [08:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-svelte.dev | Svelte Cybernetically enhanced web apps [08:54] chovy beats the shit out of angular/react/vue [08:54] schestowitz I am not a jan of JS [08:55] schestowitz *fan [08:55] schestowitz it performs poorly in general, e.g. electron [08:55] chovy well the web is built with it [08:55] schestowitz and over the web it often does jobs better off done natively, without a servers [08:55] chovy i do mostly UI [08:55] schestowitz it's the "slap it on the web" mentality everywhere [08:56] chovy mongodb is web scale! [08:56] schestowitz I'll let you know if I hear of an opening? [08:56] schestowitz whereabouts roughly are you based? (I don't suppose it matters when people work remotely) [08:57] scientes avacadodb [08:57] scientes (I just made that one up) [08:57] schestowitz I like mongo soup [08:57] scientes schestowitz, and all the location-availability on online content [08:57] scientes nontent [08:58] schestowitz I like that term [08:58] schestowitz I saw it earlier [08:58] scientes I recently had that problem trying to download Xilinx [08:58] schestowitz +1 LIIIIIIIIIIKED....... [08:58] scientes schestowitz, it was me [08:58] schestowitz scientes: +1 [08:58] schestowitz like. [08:58] schestowitz like me back [08:58] schestowitz let's like each other [08:58] schestowitz we'll both look popular [08:58] schestowitz let's do it all day long, even during lunch breaks. LIIIKE [08:58] scientes [08:58] scientes [08:58] scientes [08:58] scientes like on github [08:59] schestowitz I have x likes on github [08:59] schestowitz will you hire me? Plllleasse liks.. [08:59] schestowitz *like [08:59] schestowitz "Dad, how was your career?" [08:59] schestowitz "son, back then we have liked and I got 1,000 of them" [08:59] schestowitz "but dad, what's a like?" [08:59] scientes lol ● Dec 23 [09:00] schestowitz "it's like a click, son" [09:00] schestowitz son: "ohh..." [09:00] schestowitz so you clicked a thousand times? [09:00] scientes "son, and as soon as someone else has more likes than you you have to give up your seat to them, and then you are homeless" [09:00] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [09:00] schestowitz will work for likes [09:00] schestowitz never mind food [09:01] psydroid there is arango db, the closest to avocado db [09:01] scientes platanodb [09:01] scientes pineappledb [09:01] schestowitz yotta [09:01] scientes tamarinddb [09:02] schestowitz sounds like mono-based [09:02] schestowitz because they use monkey names, never mind fruit [09:02] schestowitz xamarin [09:02] schestowitz tamarin [09:02] schestowitz now part of Microsoft [09:02] scientes schestowitz, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamarind [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tamarind - Wikipedia [09:02] schestowitz and their 'CEO' became ShitHub [09:02] schestowitz so you know mono was going nowhere [09:02] schestowitz scientes: yes, I know it's not the same [09:03] scientes it is a fucking bean tree [09:03] schestowitz I know [09:03] schestowitz I tasted it [09:03] schestowitz I "LIKED" it. [09:03] schestowitz I even "SHARED" it on "maaaa insta" [09:04] chovy checkout inertiajs.com [09:04] chovy https://inertiajs.com [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inertiajs.com | Inertia.js - The Modern Monolith [09:04] chovy its a bunch of shit glue code. lol [09:04] chovy why would i need this? [09:05] psydroid they need shithub and steal other people's projects, because they make it so hard to write code for their platform of the day that few people are willing to do that anymore [09:05] schestowitz it's about more than that [09:05] schestowitz vertical integration [09:05] schestowitz licence choice [09:05] schestowitz copyleft becomes permissive [09:05] schestowitz IDE usage diverted to MSVS [09:06] schestowitz deployment to server AZUNE [sic] [09:06] schestowitz they're bleeding in those areas [09:06] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/22/windows-servers-dying-breed/ [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Windows/IIS Down Again (Across All Server Categories), Merely Living/Surviving on Borrowed Time | Techrights [09:17] psydroid vertical integration on a foundation of quicksand, I wonder for how much longer that can and will last [09:24] schestowitz it was costly [09:24] schestowitz first, acquisition [09:24] schestowitz from the VCs [09:24] schestowitz and second, it operates at a loss [09:24] schestowitz so the longer they hold it for, the higher the cost [09:25] schestowitz source: SEC http://techrights.org/2020/04/08/githug/ [09:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHug A Guest Article by Thomas Grzybowski | Techrights [09:31] chovy i want to join a union [09:31] chovy does that make me a commie? [09:31] schestowitz what's the connection? [09:39] chovy lol [09:39] chovy i havfe no idea. that's just what i'm told [09:39] schestowitz I reckon it was partly a joke, tongue in cheek [09:39] schestowitz unions turn capitalism against itself [09:40] schestowitz in communism I don't think unions would have much purpose [09:41] schestowitz unions leverage financial leverage against the capital holder to make demands or prevent unfavored policies being adopted [09:41] schestowitz you could argue unions are a very CAPITALIST thing [09:41] scientes or they are just more blood-sucking politicians [09:42] scientes under every rock lurks a politician [09:42] schestowitz if you own your factory/mill/service yourself, who would you strike or unionise AGAINST? [09:43] schestowitz scientes: not literally, yet.. [09:43] chovy i think when they changed the corporate mandate from "stakeholders" to "shareholders" everything went to shit [09:43] schestowitz the rocks are building up though [09:43] scientes schestowitz, the theory of communism and China/USSR/Vietnam are totally different things [09:43] scientes chovy, a stakeholder is whoever holds the steak? [09:43] schestowitz chovy: because few people hoard all the capital [09:44] scientes and is this a wooden stake, or a steak of a cow? [09:44] schestowitz so they can become "Stakeholders" in like a million businesses [09:44] schestowitz and just buy shares [09:44] schestowitz without caring about outcome/stake [09:44] schestowitz vultures basically [09:45] scientes mmmmmmm steak [09:46] chovy ribeyes [09:46] chovy or ny top sirloin [09:47] scientes or ever just shoulder strap [09:47] scientes steak is steak [09:48] *psydroid wants to be a steakholder when he grows up [09:48] scientes certainly better than breadwinner [09:52] chovy i'm grown up and i'm an ATM machine [09:58] schestowitz machine machine? ● Dec 23 [10:06] scientes PNS syndrome? [10:07] scientes chovy, what is your PIN number? [10:15] schestowitz ATMs don't have pin numbers [10:16] schestowitz the accounts associated with the pieces of plastic have pin numbers [10:17] schestowitz I guess ATMs with Windows on them have ACTIVATION CODE ^_^ [10:27] scientes personal identification number number [10:27] scientes automated teller machine machine [10:27] *birkoff has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:29] scientes brrrrrrrrrr [10:29] scientes wet + cold [10:31] scientes I should put on swim trunks and run around outside in the rain [10:32] scientes oh wow a whole week of sun in coming [10:47] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ocjsvvxdmbdgzotf) has joined #techrights ● Dec 23 [11:47] XRevan86 https://youtu.be/8LiMR2BYpVk [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple conducts the audits that matter... - YouTube ● Dec 23 [12:02] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [12:03] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [12:50] scientes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr [12:53] vZS1 MS is not a business. It's like a state or political entity. Made a monopoly and now leverages the benefits of monopoly to try to shape the world. [12:54] scientes Foxconn is something very different [12:54] vZS1 The typical business doesn't have the privileges of MS or Amazon [12:58] scientes XRevan86, what really blows me away about Apple is the arrogance [12:58] scientes the sky is the limit [12:59] vZS1 If they can't buy the competition they will leverage monopoly to make life harder for competition ● Dec 23 [13:00] vZS1 Look at Amazon. They used AWS to operate their e-commerce at a loss until they basically dominated e-commerce and logistics [13:03] vZS1 I think this is one of the reasons why AT&T wasn't allowed to get into the computing market. Idk what happened to the "anti-trust" or whatever you call it hard [13:04] vZS1 s/hard/laws [13:05] scientes If only there wasn't this stupid "cloud" thing that prevent prices going down, then we wouldn't even need YouTUbe [13:05] vZS1 I recently ordered a laptop battery from what looked like an independent e-commerce site. I ended up with an Amazon receipt. [13:06] scientes the only reason YouTube exists is to as an excuse to keep bandwidth markups [13:06] CrystalMath what happened with youtube now? [13:06] scientes it is the excuse to keep bandwidth expensive [13:06] vZS1 That's the extent of their reach [13:07] schestowitz our site does not have b/w caps, afaik [13:07] schestowitz Ariadne: will that be the same with the new server/dc? [13:07] schestowitz (because we do videos, too) [13:08] *schestowitz uploads a 130mb video right now, takes almost 2 hours [13:09] vZS1 Serving media is always a PITA [13:09] schestowitz BTW [13:09] vZS1 Especially if you don't use compression [13:09] schestowitz iophk will like this point: [13:09] schestowitz [12:53] MS is not a business. It's like a state or political entity. Made a monopoly and now leverages the benefits of monopoly to try to shape the world. [13:09] schestowitz we made this point sooooo many times before [13:09] schestowitz but go a step further [13:09] schestowitz and consider the role of the ringleader [13:09] schestowitz who leveraged himself into unelected shadow global leaders [13:10] schestowitz no oversight, no impeachment, nothing.. [13:10] schestowitz never even finished college [13:10] schestowitz he is not alone [13:10] vZS1 The problem I have is that you are forced to enable them as well. [13:11] schestowitz but if you name some of the others you can be dragged into the "cons. theorist" loony bin [13:11] vZS1 For example [13:11] schestowitz taxpayers pay them [13:11] vZS1 You can't really reject MS when your government relies on them [13:11] schestowitz grifting is done by the bribed politicians [13:11] vZS1 Precisely [13:11] vZS1 That's not business [13:11] schestowitz that's the circular issue [13:11] vZS1 That's corruption [13:12] schestowitz Covered many times in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [13:12] schestowitz he lobbies heads of states [13:12] schestowitz to basically relay tax money into his 'charity' [13:12] schestowitz so he cannot lose, not even if he really tries to [13:12] schestowitz covid19 may have accelerated unrest while neutralising responses to it [13:13] schestowitz "stimulus" bill.... a war on the Web [13:13] schestowitz like streams with fair use videos [13:13] schestowitz it can be a felony to make a video that debunks oligarchs' speeches [13:13] razielle_tzu the way it's worded memes are a potential felony [13:13] schestowitz yes, that too [13:13] schestowitz they used to be fair use [13:13] schestowitz still image [13:13] schestowitz an low res [13:14] schestowitz the low res part comes from eu (art. 17) [13:14] schestowitz (iirc, the number, they shuffled those around after weeks of criticism) [13:14] schestowitz (to disorientate critics) [13:14] schestowitz no idea what low-res is [13:14] razielle_tzu having to be low res in this day is stupid [13:14] schestowitz maybe 480px across? [13:15] schestowitz also you can split the memes into smaller images [13:15] schestowitz and then sort of seam them together [13:16] vZS1 The premise that one still from your entire film or whatever being shared is copyright infringement is bollocks [13:16] vZS1 If anything, it's helping them with free advertising [13:17] scientes this whole iPhone factory destruction says alot about that status of the US empire [13:17] scientes Full Steam Ahead! [13:18] schestowitz and by Indian workers [13:18] vZS1 The TR argument I read about this being really an effort to enable trolling by proxy seems like the most plausible explanation [13:18] schestowitz India isn't very US hostile [13:19] schestowitz as much as Britain- or even China-hostile [13:19] schestowitz Check Korea, Greece, Turkey for more anti-US sentiments... or Iran and much of that region... BUT [13:19] schestowitz it's not just a US thing [13:20] schestowitz even if the US empire collapsed, the oligarchs would still be around in their 'fallback' homes and mansions with offshore tax haven managed from london, amsterdam, singapore, Macao... [13:20] schestowitz we need to treat it as a global issue associated with not mere flags and borders [13:25] razielle_tzu which it is tbh [13:35] Ariadne schestowitz: yes [13:35] Ariadne new DC has much stronger network even [13:42] schestowitz great :-) room for growth [13:43] schestowitz oh, video upload finished a minute ago... time to publish good news about UPC [13:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/23/upc-coup-by-pseudo-journalism/ [13:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Pseudo-Journalism About the Unified Patent Court (UPC), Composed by Those With Stake in the Coup | Techrights ● Dec 23 [14:58] schestowitz Ariadne: just counted files in techrights homedir: 170k+ files [14:58] schestowitz it's a bit tight on disk space though [14:58] schestowitz because we need around 10gb free just to complete overnight backups before the dumps get compressed ● Dec 23 [15:03] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:26] schestowitz https://twitter.com/llogiq/status/1341672159220015106 [15:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@llogiq: @schestowitz As one of the "overzealous" reddit mods, I'm totally unimpressed. We removed the comment because it wa https://t.co/lwbB80MRJ5 [15:26] schestowitz "As one of the "overzealous" reddit mods, I'm totally unimpressed. We removed the comment because it was off-topic. When the commenter continued with off-topic anti-MS zealotry, they received a warning. For the record, off-topic pro-MS zealotry would've been equally removed." [15:26] schestowitz "MS zealotry" [15:26] schestowitz got it [15:27] schestowitz in rust reddit/sub [15:27] schestowitz it's zealotry [15:27] schestowitz microsoft? NOT zealotry [15:28] schestowitz https://twitter.com/gilescope/status/1341667327234981888 [15:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gilescope: @schestowitz Credit where credit is due, Rust has moved towards matrix for chat. When there is a viable distributed https://t.co/SClDFABP6J [15:28] schestowitz "Credit where credit is due, Rust has moved towards matrix for chat. When there is a viable distributed alternative to guthub I am sure it will be seriously considered" [15:28] schestowitz "viable distributed alternative to guthub" [15:28] vZS1 Lmao [15:28] schestowitz "guthub" is NOT dstrobuted [15:28] schestowitz it's the OPPOSITE [15:29] schestowitz it's centralised [15:29] schestowitz and proprietary [15:29] schestowitz and immovable [15:29] vZS1 Don't forget that people have been doing distributed development long before GitHub [15:30] vZS1 They're attacking the definitions [15:30] vZS1 Because they know it's all a sham [15:33] vZS1 GCC, Linux kernel, BSDs, are all developed in a distributed fashion and have been for decades now. [15:34] vZS1 They want to define distributed development as GitHub [15:36] psydroid gutterhub (negative) revenue is dostrobuted among MS advocates spamming the internet with MS gutterhub advertising [15:37] vZS1 I honestly can't believe how stupid you'd need to be too buy that narrative [15:37] vZS1 s/too/to [15:40] vZS1 Have read a lot of tripe but that is some of the worst I've seen [15:40] vZS1 Who wrote that? [15:41] vZS1 ALSO [15:42] vZS1 GitLab is a direct competitor to GitHub [15:42] vZS1 Why is that not mentioned? [15:42] vZS1 Literally mirrors most of the functionality [15:45] vZS1 schestowitz: I don't have Twitter, can you please send me a screenshot of the post? I need to rip a hole in this propaganda [15:46] schestowitz you can rip it with the urll [15:46] schestowitz if that still works [15:46] schestowitz they block people who reject JS now [15:46] schestowitz sincd dec 16 [15:46] schestowitz since [15:47] schestowitz https://tweetcyborg.com/ [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tweetcyborg.com | Convert tweet to image - Home | Tweet Cyborg [15:47] schestowitz put it here, download png [15:47] vZS1 Ah [15:49] vZS1 I'll give you a piece on it over the weekend [15:49] schestowitz please do [15:49] schestowitz I'd like to also follow up that piece with a video [15:49] vZS1 Sure [15:49] schestowitz I have not covered github yet [15:49] schestowitz but ought to [15:50] schestowitz the rust 'community' keeps using this "line" [15:50] schestowitz I can find more [15:50] schestowitz notice the wording [15:50] schestowitz they don't say decentralised [15:50] schestowitz but distributed [15:50] schestowitz slack and "teams" also [15:50] schestowitz MS Teams [15:50] schestowitz they use words like "distributed teams" [15:50] schestowitz all controlled by one master [15:50] schestowitz distributed like in a ghetto [15:51] schestowitz "scattered around"... like dust [15:51] vZS1 Even with a very loose interpretation of distributed, that comment is BS [15:52] vZS1 re: my GitLab example [15:52] vZS1 But there's so much more to say on that [15:53] psydroid distributed and controlled by a central power [15:53] psydroid I have to give them that they surely know how to twist words to fit their agenda [15:54] vZS1 Unless you actually know what you're doing. Then you see straight through the BS [15:54] psydroid that must be kinds of people they spend more attention to during the hiring process than the software engineers who are supposed to write good code [15:54] psydroid you have to set the priorities straight, you know [15:55] vZS1 They scrounge off other engineers' work. For free. [15:56] vZS1 Which is why they hate AGPL [15:56] vZS1 They can't hide that with AGPL. They have to tell the world they didn't actually make what they claim to have made [15:57] vZS1 Most of why they get contracts if because of clever marketing [15:57] vZS1 is* ● Dec 23 [16:00] vZS1 Whole UK going into Tier 4 lockdown from 26th Dec [16:00] vZS1 Just happens to be the day after Christmas [16:01] vZS1 "Spikes in cases after Christmas celebrations" [16:01] vZS1 Urgent lockdown [16:01] vZS1 Can see the headlines already [16:01] vZS1 Bunch of BS [16:12] schestowitz wait [16:12] schestowitz is this news or just thinking aloud? [16:12] schestowitz my wife did not hear about this tier 4 thing [16:12] schestowitz I thought it was just London and some town I forgot north of it [16:19] MinceR https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/09/bofh_2020_episode_7/ [16:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BOFH: Rome, I have been thy soldier 40 years... give me a staff of honour for mine age The Register [16:19] *_inky (~inky@141.136.78.223) has joined #techrights [16:24] vZS1 Thinking aloud [16:25] vZS1 Don't be surprised if it becomes news [16:30] schestowitz Northern Ireland [16:31] MinceR https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/13/bofh_2020_episode_8/ [16:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | BOFH: You might want to sit down for this. Oh, right, you can't. Listen carefully: THIS IS NOT AN IT PROBLEM! The Register [16:37] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:38] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [16:40] *schestowitz thinks MinceR really likes British humour [16:40] schestowitz (what's left of it after brexit and covid) [16:42] MinceR :) [16:53] vZS1 Check out the old Spitting Image [16:53] vZS1 New one lost its teeth [16:55] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705426.jpg [16:57] DaemonFC[m] https://www.mmorpg.com/news/gog-says-dont-hoard-items-or-lose-your-save-investor-considers-lawsuit-2000120464 [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GOG Says Don't Hoard Items or Lose Your Save, Investor Considers Lawsuit | MMORPG.com [16:58] DaemonFC[m] A class action lawsuit against CD Project Red over Cyberpunk 2077 being too broken to play. Their investors say they're losing a considerable amount of money because it was rushed to release and that even after four patch updates it's still too broken for people to want to buy it. [16:59] schestowitz MinceR: did Trump say something stupid again? [16:59] DaemonFC[m] A fifth patch is on the way that will clear up several dozen more issues, but the game is basically Windows Vista 2077 at this point. [16:59] schestowitz MinceR: I am missing the reference [16:59] MinceR probably, but i don't know [16:59] schestowitz but he mistook germany for france before [16:59] MinceR it's just a bunch of settlements called Paris in the USA [16:59] schestowitz ah, ok [16:59] schestowitz lots of londons too [16:59] MinceR there's a London in Canada too ● Dec 23 [17:00] MinceR what, Cyberpunk 2077 is an MMO? [17:01] MinceR not like i'll find out from "LOADING: The Website" [17:01] DaemonFC[m] https://www.whio.com/news/local/flu-hospitalizations-drop-dramatically-covid-19-protocol-reducing-spread/NPXZVPXBZ5A5XGBBGNLFU4FHOI/ [17:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.whio.com | Flu hospitalizations drop dramatically; COVID-19 protocol reducing spread [17:01] vZS1 Bit of a tangent but there's a series of novels called Rivers of London. Pretty good imo. [17:01] DaemonFC[m] The state of Ohio says that flu hospitalizations are down 99.5% vs last year. [17:02] DaemonFC[m] Of course, that might be hospitals turning away people with the flu as much as anything else. [17:02] vZS1 Londonium [17:03] vZS1 Anywhere with that name? :p [17:03] vZS1 Londinium* [17:03] DaemonFC[m] On an exceptionally bad year, flu is one sixth as deadly as Covid-19, and many states and regions are out of ICU beds already. [17:03] DaemonFC[m] So you start telling people with the flu to beat it. [17:03] *psydroid remembers a Catatonia song called Londinium [17:08] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ejbvangncrpxemxc) has joined #techrights [17:10] vZS1 Didn't know there was a song [17:19] schestowitz https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/12/22/the-winters-tale-solstice-on-the-streets-of-paris/ [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Winter's Tale: Solstice on the Streets of Paris - CounterPunch.org [17:20] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/79a68fa0ae526a0d.jpg [17:40] DaemonFC[m] https://videocardz.com/newz/xbox-one-x-and-playstation-4-pro-get-performance-boost-with-cyberpunk-2077-1-05-patch [17:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-XBOX One (X) and PlayStation 4 (PRO) get performance boost with Cyberpunk 2077 1.05 patch - VideoCardz.com [17:40] DaemonFC[m] Xbox One goes from 14 fps to 25. [17:41] DaemonFC[m] How do you even release a game that can drop to 14 fps without much going on? [17:41] DaemonFC[m] That's going from unplayable to barely playable. [17:43] DaemonFC[m] I remember Sony doing the Cell Broadband Engine in the PS3 and it hobbled the console for its entire lifespan. [17:44] DaemonFC[m] It made ports from the PC more difficult because of the strange SPE execution pipe. [17:45] DaemonFC[m] So some games actually barely did anything at all with them and ran most of the code on the central processor that was mostly there to manage the SPEs. [17:45] DaemonFC[m] Sony said the architecture was revolutionary and would be in use for a long time and then nothing else used it and it was dropped from GCC and LLVM last year. [17:48] DaemonFC[m] Sony has had to live with several disasters that set them back, but one thing these systems do is ensure customer retention by making it impossible to port anything you've purchased to another console or a PC gaming platform. [17:49] DaemonFC[m] So people keep buying from the same company no matter what happens. [17:50] DaemonFC[m] The Microsoft Store on Windows is intended to do that, but it's overran by low quality and outright fraudulent apps and Microsoft has tried laying down restrictions that they can hardly enforce because nobody accepts Windows 10 S. [17:50] MinceR never believe suits [17:50] *_inky has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:51] MinceR also, i don't know why people expected a game that, when run on PC, has high hardware requirements to be playable on consoles [17:51] *_inky (~inky@141.136.78.223) has joined #techrights [17:52] DaemonFC[m] They usually solve the problem by lowering the resolution to below HD and turning down graphics and cutting out parts of levels and stuff. [17:52] DaemonFC[m] Doom 3 was a very tough game on PCs at the time and they put it on the original xbox. Part of it anyway. [17:52] MinceR it was funny to read about how long they had to keep crippling doom ports to consoles [17:53] DaemonFC[m] And while it wasn't the worst PC to console port of the entire Doom franchise, it was not the full game. [17:53] DaemonFC[m] It was the same price as the PC version, which had better graphics and more game play hours and no loading screens. [17:53] MinceR because consoles just kept on being way too weak to handle something that ran fine on a 486 [17:53] DaemonFC[m] Within the same level at least. [17:54] schestowitz Ariadne: let us know where to pay into, for your time, effort, etc [17:54] DaemonFC[m] The Xbox version would have like 4 or 5 open door get loading screen segments. [17:54] DaemonFC[m] It got really annoying. [17:54] MinceR doom3 does have loading screens [17:54] DaemonFC[m] And they skipped over huge chunks of the game that way. [17:54] MinceR they just aren't displayed long enough for me to read the flavor text on them :> [17:55] DaemonFC[m] Well, when you're running the game off an SSD, like Fallout New Vegas, it just zips right through. [17:55] MinceR i am running it off an ssd [17:56] DaemonFC[m] I've had New Vegas hard freeze Windows 10 a couple times. [17:56] MinceR oh, you meant within a level [17:57] DaemonFC[m] No bsod just frozen. [17:57] DaemonFC[m] Not since the latest Intel driver patch, but we'll see. [17:57] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, so they partitioned Doom 3 levels to deal with Xbox memory constraints. [17:57] MinceR :> [17:58] DaemonFC[m] The console only had 64 MB of main memory, so they couldn't buffer the whole level into that. [17:59] DaemonFC[m] They cheaper out big time on the Xbox and it's amazing it worked as well as it did [17:59] DaemonFC[m] *cheaped [17:59] DaemonFC[m] The hard disks were 5400 RPM because those saved a few bucks per console. [17:59] MinceR unless you count all the times it (or its power supply) fried itself :> ● Dec 23 [18:00] DaemonFC[m] The main board wasn't even specifically designed for it. [18:00] DaemonFC[m] It had an empty RAM slot that it didn't use. [18:00] DaemonFC[m] You could upgrade that and make use of 128 MB total RAM under Linux. [18:01] XRevan86 Qwant natribu.org's Russian IPs now. [18:01] MinceR or you could just buy a PC instead [18:02] DaemonFC[m] It's amazing how they could make operating systems and browsers and everything work fine on computers from 20 years ago and those same computers wouldn't do anything now. [18:03] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705113.jpg [18:07] *schestowitz has quit (Read error: No route to host) [18:07] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [18:14] *schestowitz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:14] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [18:24] schestowitz MinceR: soup is good at restoring sobriety [18:42] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [18:43] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [18:43] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:44] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Dec 23 [19:10] DaemonFC[m] I sent this to electoral-vote.com, but I doubt they'll post it: [19:10] *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/tspoVxkUzgeidweEAnkOpPAc/message.txt > [19:12] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I fear that people who use "real name only" social media are going to regret it, but when it's too late. [19:12] DaemonFC[m] YOu think Facebook's copyright bullshit is bad now, just wait. [19:13] DaemonFC[m] They've largely been "handling" it with computer programs that mute all your videos if there's a song playing in a restaurant or something. [19:13] DaemonFC[m] I can't imagine how anything has much fun on a network that is so heavy handed. [19:13] DaemonFC[m] *anyone [19:14] DaemonFC[m] Facebook is proven to be corrosive to mental health and wellbeing, because all you end up doing is looking at ads, doomscrolling, and "hate-liking" photos of someone's vacation that they weren't even happy with. [19:15] DaemonFC[m] Everyone is incentivized by these platforms to puff themselves up and create a world of alternative facts where they're something that they're not. [19:15] DaemonFC[m] It's a pointless and miserable waste of a person's short life. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] Trump is pardoning Blackwater war criminals that already got off too easily. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] They won't be let out of jail because none of them got sentenced for very long terms to begin with. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] Rod Blagojevich actually served more time for trying to sell Barack Obama's Senate seat than any of those Blackwater mercenaries did for firing into a crowd of unarmed civilians. [19:30] DaemonFC[m] https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/23/tech/kfc-games-console-chicken-scli-intl/index.html [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | KFC launches game console that keeps your chicken warm - CNN [19:30] DaemonFC[m] Just what we need in the middle of a pandemic that kills obese people. [19:36] DaemonFC[m] Well, thanks to Trump's leadership, we no longer have a pandemic. [19:36] DaemonFC[m] We have an epidemic that the vaccine will slow down a very small bit, if we're extremely fortunate. [19:38] DaemonFC[m] Florida's governor ignored the CDC. [19:38] DaemonFC[m] Essential workers don't get any vaccines. It all goes, broadly, to people over 70. [19:38] DaemonFC[m] Then he says "Well, if you asked people in their 20s and 30s, I'm sure that most of them would say give it to the people over 70.". [19:38] DaemonFC[m] I don't, and that's not entirely selfish. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] Unchecked community spread is how it's getting to the elderly. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] I'm sure that the idiots in the Lake County Health Department will manage to bungle this. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] Nobody there knows what the hell they're doing. [19:40] DaemonFC[m] Their billing department can't tell you why you owe them money. [19:40] DaemonFC[m] They have patient data breaches all the time. [19:41] DaemonFC[m] The government is where people who are unemployable but know somebody get a job for life. ● Dec 23 [20:02] vZS1 DaemonFC[m]: Social media is just advertising [20:02] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [20:05] *gry has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [20:08] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [20:35] MinceR https://i1.wp.com/workchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Annual-Planning.png (sauce: https://workchronicles.com/annual-planning/ ) [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-workchronicles.com | Annual Planning | Work Chronicles [20:44] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:56] XRevan86 https://cv1.pikabu.ru/video/2020/12/23/1608705771241470120_406x720.webm [20:57] MinceR lol ● Dec 23 [21:09] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:26] DaemonFC[m] If they want to reopen everything, it would be better from a certain angle to give the vaccine to people who are out and about a lot and healthcare workers. [21:26] DaemonFC[m] The old people at the retirement home mom works at put maybe 200 miles a year on their cars. They don't have to go anywhere. [21:27] DaemonFC[m] They can't even go to church now. [21:28] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [21:30] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [21:49] psydroid is there any reason for using Windows or macOS for embedded development? why wouldn't GNU/Linux on any architecture be acceptable and actually better for that kind of work? [21:50] psydroid I see so many arguments from all kinds of steakholders for retaining the status quo that it looks like a big concerted effort to keep GNU/Linux away from the desktop [21:51] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Dec 23 [22:03] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [22:07] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:08] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [22:19] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/704402.jpg [22:22] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [22:22] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:32] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [22:33] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [22:38] schestowitz [21:49] is there any reason for using Windows or macOS for embedded development? why wouldn't GNU/Linux on any architecture be acceptable and actually better for that kind of work? [22:38] schestowitz moneyed interests [22:38] schestowitz that may change more and more over time [22:38] schestowitz it's not a technical battle [22:55] MinceR plus there are tons of alleged "developers" who know nothing [22:55] MinceR which is why the redmond mafia gets to sell copies of visual studio [22:57] scientes I just installed skyrim [22:58] MinceR i installed Amid Evil today :> [22:58] scientes but I don't know if it is me but I can't control my character with keyboard/mouse [22:58] scientes it is too difficult [22:58] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [22:58] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Dec 23 [23:03] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:05] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [23:06] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:09] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft was giving away "free" Windows 10 IoT licenses for the Raspberry Pi, but that version of Windows can't really do much of anything. [23:10] DaemonFC[m] As far as smartphones, I couldn't really see how Windows Phone would have been worse than iOS. [23:10] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft threw in the towel and has been threatening and buying off companies like Samsung to turn Android into Windows Phone. [23:12] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: My theory about the Android apps on Windows thing is that Microsoft knows few people want or need Android apps on a desktop computer. [23:12] DaemonFC[m] But.... [23:13] DaemonFC[m] If they can make Windows and the Microsoft store an easy way to develop, test, and distribute Android apps, they can possibly get Samsung or other Android OEMs to start shipping a version of AOSP that's linked into Microsoft Store and a bunch of other things. Essentially, they seem to be trying to get back what they could have had already if they hadn't instinctively killed the Nokia X platform. [23:14] *psydroid just finished porting his assembly to RISC-V as a learning project [23:14] DaemonFC[m] It's not too hard to see where this is going. [23:14] DaemonFC[m] Nobody was really much interested in developing for Windows Phone because nobody was using the platform. [23:15] psydroid Windows development itself is a disaster, which I found out by trying to compile a few free software applications during the past few days [23:15] DaemonFC[m] Visual Studio? [23:16] DaemonFC[m] The newer versions aren't as bad. [23:16] psydroid I tried several things, MSYS2, Git Bash, Visual Studio [23:16] DaemonFC[m] For many years, Microsoft had essentially refused to implement anything newer than C89. [23:17] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [23:17] DaemonFC[m] It was to pressure Windows development towards .NET, and we see where the pointy haired bosses took that one. [23:17] DaemonFC[m] I wouldn't be surprised if they find more backdoors in Solarwinds as the investigation continues. [23:17] psydroid And then you have them deprecating features or not porting certain frameworks to e.g. ARM, which will only get WPF in 6 months or so [23:18] DaemonFC[m] .NET's security model isn't broken, because it doesn't have one. [23:18] psydroid Not that I know much about modern .NET, but you want things to be at least somewhat portable and that is only happening with .NET 5.0 [23:19] DaemonFC[m] Yes, portability with .NET was a disaster, even between versions of Windows. [23:19] DaemonFC[m] This was ridiculous. [23:20] DaemonFC[m] Not just versions of Windows like releases, or hugely different architectures, but between somewhat different versions of the same architecture and the same release of Windows. [23:21] DaemonFC[m] At one point I reported a bug in CDBurnerXP and the guy told me he had no way to test it because he didn't have XP x64 Edition. [23:22] DaemonFC[m] Like why would it mess up on XP x64 but not the 64-bit version of Windows Vista? [23:22] DaemonFC[m] I held back one system on XP x64 Edition because I'd be damned if I put Vista anything on it. [23:23] DaemonFC[m] XP x64 was much more stable, but Microsoft has ways of manipulating people into doing what they want them to do. [23:24] DaemonFC[m] So XP x64 was a stopgap, OEM-only release and so it didn't catch on much. [23:24] DaemonFC[m] But it also solved the problem of having a lot of memory and not wanting to use Windows Vista. [23:24] psydroid I [23:25] psydroid I've never seen XP x64, because I didn't have 64-bit hardware until 2007 [23:26] psydroid But by that time I was already running Linux full-time with just an XP virtual machine for games [23:26] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [23:32] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [23:33] schestowitz [23:15] Windows development itself is a disaster, which I found out by trying to compile a few free software applications during the past few days [23:33] schestowitz I can vaguely recall this pain, I think I wrote about it 15 years ago [23:33] schestowitz about 18 years ago I wanted to make a Windows binary of my opengl linux program [23:33] schestowitz so I thought, OK, the university had this visual studio thing [23:34] schestowitz not only was it hard to use [23:34] schestowitz i ended up having to toss all .h and .c files in two very large files [23:34] schestowitz then compile those [23:34] schestowitz and even then performance was really bad [23:34] schestowitz but that was just to make some .exe file available, which I barely ever tested [23:35] schestowitz MSVS might work OK if you only even intended to develop on it and stay there [23:35] schestowitz IDEs are a form of lockin [23:36] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, I remember when people were angry that the guy maintaining the xchat Windows build wanted money. [23:36] schestowitz I could not just load in all the C files and let it go off with that, I think i just spent a couple of hours before there was this binary which worked on Win2000 or maybe XP [23:36] DaemonFC[m] Saying that it wasn't zero effort for him to maintain a totally different build system and pare down GTK to de-bloat it, and write a theme to make it look like a Windows application. [23:36] psydroid when you think of your operating system itself as the development environment it's hard to work on something such as MS Windows where that isn't the case [23:37] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [23:37] schestowitz they have "suites" [23:37] schestowitz and you're getting stuck with/by them [23:37] schestowitz if you change the "suite" (not just editor/IDE), tough luck [23:37] DaemonFC[m] Well, I think they've been working on some of the issues after many years of just letting them pile up. [23:37] schestowitz you also have propriietary "project" files and whatnot [23:37] DaemonFC[m] But it's not a great platform to try to build software for. [23:37] schestowitz and every "suite" won't work with another [23:38] schestowitz the Windows build was VEEERY inefficient, but I did not care [23:38] schestowitz nor did I ever bother recompiling it again [23:39] schestowitz I did it on a university computer and it took longer than I thought it would, don't think I ever even tested that file after that [23:39] schestowitz if you need time to learn a GUI, you could instead use the time to learn the toolchain instead [23:39] schestowitz it will barely change over time [23:40] schestowitz and won't ask you for licence and activation codes [23:40] MinceR > if they hadn't instinctively killed the Nokia X platform. [23:40] MinceR you misspelled MeeGo :> [23:41] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: I've just sent out two emails to empty old pension and antother account of mine [23:41] schestowitz I think SHTF is about to happen next year (for the financial sector) [23:41] schestowitz I only keep my current pension [23:42] schestowitz we might retire by age 50... there's not much future for work in this world, except for few [23:42] schestowitz MinceR: Debian-based, they had several more [23:42] DaemonFC[m] I've been pinching pennies. [23:43] schestowitz they were #3 in kernel work at the time [23:43] DaemonFC[m] I want to show immigration that we could survive for a year just on savings alone if we had to. [23:43] MinceR and then the Elopocalypse happened [23:43] schestowitz before Elop poured gasoline and declared it "burning platform" [23:43] DaemonFC[m] Makes it harder for them to say no. [23:44] DaemonFC[m] Plus, I've had worse happen in recent history and I want to show that getting seriously into debt to meet basic living expenses is unlikely. [23:44] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: [23:44] schestowitz http://schestowitz.com/2020/12/23/ [23:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [23:44] schestowitz "US national #debt rapidly appoaching 30 TRILLION dollars. Hundreds of US oligarchs alone amasses more than half that amount in PERSONAL wealth. This isn't poverty but organised looting. " [23:44] schestowitz ""What, you don't like the $600 check?" - corrupt politicians who don't tell you that YOU are paying for that check (debt) and the bill it comes with mostly helps oligarchs and Hollywood moguls. It's a scam, not a real #stimulus ... " [23:44] DaemonFC[m] In a way, it's better that Trump just vetoes everything and then slinks off to his golf resort. [23:44] schestowitz ":The US economy is finished; drained by oligarchs, who turned national/collective debt (almost 30 TRILLION dollars in the US now) into personal wealth in offshore accounts. Then they tell us "we ran out of capital..." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/22/no-more-caving-austerity-warns-sanders-after-biden-lauds-paltry-covid-19-relief-deal " [23:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'No More Caving' to Austerity Warns Sanders After Biden Lauds Paltry Covid-19 Relief Deal as 'Model' Legislation | Common Dreams News [23:45] DaemonFC[m] Not only does it show what he is, and how petty he is on the way out... [23:45] DaemonFC[m] It means that Congress will have to pass everything again without the excuse that they had 2 hours to read a 5,289 page bill that included two new copyright laws. [23:46] schestowitz this should be nullified [23:47] schestowitz on the basis of "insufficient time to study" [23:47] schestowitz otherwise, the US is obviously no better than countries it mocks [23:47] schestowitz with the most corrupt elements laid bare [23:47] *_inky has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:47] schestowitz OK, I just got two auto-responder messages [23:48] schestowitz to be expected during xmas eve [23:48] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/716269.jpg [23:48] *_inky (~inky@141.136.78.223) has joined #techrights [23:49] schestowitz ha, I thought about this before [23:49] schestowitz referring to slaughterhouses and stuff and "plants" [23:49] schestowitz what next? will they call debt cards "CREDIT"? [23:50] schestowitz *as "plants" [23:50] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: " [23:50] schestowitz Hi, [23:50] schestowitz Over the next few days I intend to complete the steps below to the best [23:50] schestowitz of my abilities to withdraw all the funds from my account at [23:51] schestowitz " [23:51] schestowitz Before I proceed, can you please confirm that this is doable and, if so, [23:51] schestowitz whether any additional steps would be required. Please bear in mind that [23:51] schestowitz irrespective of the holidays here many services are shut down due to [23:51] schestowitz coronavisis, which may complicate some of the steps described. [23:51] schestowitz I have all the documents required for electronic identity verification [23:51] schestowitz with you. I would like to complete this by year's end, as a matter of [23:51] schestowitz great urgency. [23:51] schestowitz " [23:51] schestowitz oops, typos on "virus" [23:51] schestowitz I reckon if we move somewhere a lot cheaper we can retire early, no children to worry about, just food and meds basically [23:52] schestowitz (assuming site hosting isn't a massive financial burden) [23:53] schestowitz 2019: end of democracy [23:53] schestowitz impeachment, followed by acquittal, "Boris" elected, "Brexit for the rich" [23:53] schestowitz 2020: end of hospitality sector (flights, dining, hotels, lots more) [23:53] schestowitz 2021: what's left of physical stored shut down and boarded up, gradually [23:54] schestowitz next they'll go after "remote workers" [23:54] schestowitz replacing them with >nationally< remote workers [23:55] schestowitz you don't need to hire people at $30/hour to work from home in Europe/N America when you can hire people to do the same from somewhere like Asia or S America at $3/hour [23:55] schestowitz corporations like these will take taxpayers-backed bailouts and then send away the jobs, gradually, for "efficiency" [23:56] schestowitz hard to think of any "safe" jobs when physical on-site presence is no longer an essentiality/selling point [23:56] schestowitz or any physical presence is seen as a threat/liability, except maybe where you buy food/essential groceries like toiletries [23:57] schestowitz for deliveries they only need drivers, but many truckers and people like these also lost their jobs [23:57] schestowitz IIRC, the US has literally millions of them [23:57] schestowitz with debt over costs of large transport-oriented vehicles (similar to farmers with instruments like tractors) [23:58] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: but you get a one-time $600 check [23:58] schestowitz that'll last... like several weeks :-) [23:58] schestowitz maybe January 15th they'll pass another 5,300-page bill [23:58] schestowitz with some more "surprises" in it [23:59] schestowitz and then in January 19th Lumpy will declare "martial law"