●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 24, 2022 ●● ● Mar 24 [00:11] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/22032012 [00:11] TR Bot IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/xmm58hfgj1o81.gif created on 2022-03-20 04:32:34.794723 [00:21] CrystalMath i can now confirm that various EU IP addresses are *dropping* connections to sputnik's IP addresses [00:21] CrystalMath i can only connect through VPNs in sane countries [00:23] CrystalMath scanning the thing through tor's exit nodes in the EU, i can confirm this is more likely a deliberate blockage as opposed to some DDoS [00:23] CrystalMath they're no longer messing around with DNS [00:25] MinceR i think they made it official a while ago [00:26] CrystalMath i think i'm going to mirror sputniknews myself [00:27] MinceR ah, you've taken on yourself the duty of hungarian state media, minus the translation [00:27] CrystalMath i'm fighting against censorship [00:27] CrystalMath which is what techrights should be doing [00:28] MinceR techrights should help the terrorussian war effort? [00:28] MinceR strange, i thought techrights was supposed to stay out of this war [00:29] CrystalMath war? [00:29] CrystalMath i'm not talking about war i'm talking about *censorship* [00:29] CrystalMath what is with you [00:29] MinceR right, putler calls it "special military operation" [00:29] MinceR also, "peacekeeping" [00:29] CrystalMath well i call it censorship [00:30] MinceR not many people will understand you that way :> [00:30] CrystalMath if the EU is blocking an IP range because of its content, that's called censorship [00:30] MinceR that it is [00:30] CrystalMath and that is something everyone here should oppose [00:31] MinceR and the content being blocked is information warfare, or desinformation [00:31] MinceR people should also oppose war [00:31] MinceR and nuclear saberrattling [00:32] CrystalMath there is no excuse for censorship [00:32] MinceR indeed, and i'm not sure if they'll accomplish anything with it [00:32] MinceR and yet i'm not going to help vladolf [00:33] MinceR he can go fuck himself [00:33] MinceR he had a hand in fucking up the country where i live, destroying the prospects of my life, and his predecessors also had a hand in fucking up the country where i live, and destroying the mentality of most people who live here [00:35] MinceR oh, also, i'm already sick and tired of terrorussian propaganda being funnelled to me through various channels, including hungarian state tv channels [00:36] CrystalMath there is no excuse for censorship [00:37] MinceR you're barking up the wrong tree [00:38] CrystalMath really? i thought we're all against censorship here [00:38] MinceR you seem to be stuck in a loop [00:38] CrystalMath you do realize that supporting censorship even ONCE is enough to completely discredit every single time you've spoken against it? [00:38] CrystalMath i don't think you realize it [00:38] CrystalMath you just supported every single instance of it [00:38] MinceR you do realize that supporting putler's invasion of ukraine even once is enough to completely discredit every single time one has spoken against it? [00:39] CrystalMath i don't care about it [00:39] MinceR i know [00:39] MinceR i do [00:39] CrystalMath this is techrights, we care about tech rights [00:39] CrystalMath we care about software freedom [00:39] CrystalMath we care about privacy [00:39] CrystalMath and we care about free access to information [00:39] CrystalMath (free as in freedom) [00:40] MinceR that's nice and all, but there's no information in the cesspits known as sputnik and rt [00:40] MinceR there is only disinformation there [00:40] CrystalMath i confirm RT is not blocked, though [00:40] CrystalMath nor Tass, just sputnik [00:41] CrystalMath anyway, it really doesn't matter what is blocked [00:41] CrystalMath it must not matter [00:41] CrystalMath being anti-censorship means being non-selectively against censoring information [00:41] CrystalMath it means not censoring the flat earth, scientology, you name it [00:41] CrystalMath it doesn't matter how false it is [00:42] CrystalMath a person who is not anti-censorship is pro-censorship [00:42] MinceR run your mouth all you like, i'm not going to help your favorite dictator in his war [00:43] CrystalMath i don't need your help, i am pointing out that you don't even belong her [00:43] CrystalMath *here [00:44] MinceR then remove me from here [00:44] CrystalMath also, i'm providing this information to techrights to write about and condemn the censorship committed by the EU [00:44] MinceR also, ask XRevan86 about roskomnadzor, since you seem to be on a crusade against censorship [00:44] CrystalMath right, we condemn that already i'm sure [00:44] MinceR you'll be surprised how much of a supporter of censorship vladolf is [00:44] MinceR no, you don't [00:45] MinceR also, he had Navalny poisoned and imprisoned for what he said [00:45] CrystalMath but censoring (some) supporters of censorship means supporting censorship [00:45] MinceR who am i censoring? [00:45] MinceR and how? [00:45] CrystalMath you are indirectly supporting the EU's censorship [00:45] CrystalMath which is contrary to tech rights [00:46] CrystalMath tomorrow, maybe you'll support proprietary extensions in hardware to spy on people [00:46] CrystalMath because maybe it will find Putin's "agents" [00:46] CrystalMath see where this is going? [00:48] MinceR yeah, i see where this is going [00:48] MinceR you ignore everything that doesn't support putler [00:49] CrystalMath what? [00:49] CrystalMath so you literally won't even deny that you would support proprietary spyware [00:49] CrystalMath i did not expect that [00:51] MinceR and i'm not even going to dignify that with an answer [00:51] CrystalMath Richard Stallman, i'm sure is strongly against the special operation, but if he said that it would be okay to force proprietary spyware on people to detect "Putin's agents", i would renounce him immediately [00:51] CrystalMath the part about the reason to force proprietary software on people is completely irrelevant, it always was; this must always be opposed [00:51] CrystalMath no matter what you put there [00:53] MinceR blocking IP addresses is perfectly doable with free software tools [00:53] MinceR and so is disconnecting CheburNet from the Internet [00:54] CrystalMath it would be shocking if Stallman supported censorship, and that would hurt his image, but it would not be a reason to completely renounce him; it is after all a side issue compared to software freedom [00:54] CrystalMath we're now talking about proprietary spyware to detect Putin's agents, which is hypothetical today [00:54] CrystalMath EU censorship was hypothetical yesterday [00:56] MinceR again, no proprietary spyware is necessary to detect you [00:56] MinceR any web browser and our public logs would be sufficient [00:56] CrystalMath the closest i've ever been to Putin is through ReactOS [00:57] CrystalMath and he never paid me [00:57] CrystalMath sure, he did donate to ReactOS, but i never took any of that money [00:57] CrystalMath everything i did there, i did it because my heart told me to [00:58] MinceR the heart is a poor advisor [00:58] CrystalMath i don't know if i should be proud or devastated that i'm in such a small group of people holding to a principled stance against censorship [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.75 k/sec., IPFS upstream 32.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 283.60 [00:59] CrystalMath proud because i'm in it, devastated because it's so small [00:59] MinceR you're not in any group holding to a principled stance against censorship ● Mar 24 [01:05] CrystalMath classic case of projecting ^ [01:06] CrystalMath you're the one who is being unprincipled, you criticize roskomnadzor but not this crap [01:06] MinceR i've also given my reasons for it [01:06] CrystalMath you have principles, but anti-censorship is not one of them [01:07] MinceR you have principles, but anti-censorship is not one of them [01:07] CrystalMath i oppose censorship in all situations [01:07] CrystalMath you do not... [01:08] CrystalMath it's that simple [01:08] MinceR no, you do not [01:08] CrystalMath i'm claiming right now that i do, you literally claim that you do not [01:08] MinceR you're supporting a dictator who engages in heavy censorship all the time, even right now [01:29] CrystalMath i'm not supporting the censorship part, and i never did [01:30] CrystalMath also, my support of these governments is selective, not complete [01:30] CrystalMath the important thing is to be firm on anti-censorship [01:35] MinceR curious how the important things get selected [01:35] MinceR like how the most important freedom is to be unvaccinated against the God-Virus but other pathogens don't matter [01:42] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [01:44] CrystalMath the important thing is to be firm on anti-censorship [01:44] CrystalMath this really puts all viruses in the shade [01:45] MinceR funny how that works [01:48] CrystalMath the serbian sputniknews website says that the outage in serbia is due to DDoS [01:48] CrystalMath but that does not explain how no IP in sweden, germany, or austria can open it [01:48] CrystalMath whereas USA, brazil, and mexico open it immediately [01:49] CrystalMath see, the US is actually sticking to its free speech principles [01:49] CrystalMath and this is very, very commendable [01:49] MinceR read up on their policy on BDS, then [01:49] MinceR also, read up on this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast [01:49] TR Bot Anycast - Wikipedia [01:51] CrystalMath the US may ban the implementation of israel boycotts, but it does not ban speech [01:55] CrystalMath nobody's perfect, but being adamant on anti-censorship is commendable and it's great for the US's image [01:55] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_United_States [01:55] TR Bot Censorship in the United States - Wikipedia [01:56] MinceR being a hypocrite on anti-censorship, less so [01:57] CrystalMath this is way better than the EU [01:57] MinceR it probably is, but perfect it ain't [01:57] CrystalMath the EU has literally taken it upon itself to build their own great firewall [01:58] activelow why is it, i do fear to say, that i do _not_ believe Putin or any Russian military supposedly ordered to shoot civilians (which some video was shown in evening news) [01:58] CrystalMath activelow: because it's bullcrap [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 9.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 274.31 [01:59] MinceR the soldiers did it in their free time? [01:59] CrystalMath it did not happen of course [01:59] MinceR they were on vacation, like in crimea in 2014? ● Mar 24 [02:00] activelow CrystalMath: do you think russian military did this, shooting civilian passengers? i do not believe, yet i do not know because i hadn't been there. [02:00] CrystalMath activelow: of course not [02:13] *matey (~matey@gvrgv6p9zx2qy.irc) has joined #techrights [02:15] matey ill bite, how are we fighting censorship today? and how does it help putler [02:16] matey to crystalmath and mincer respectively [02:16] MinceR by spreading putler's disinformation so that he can win the war, apparently [02:16] MinceR and take over ukraine, and encroach on the freedom of speech of even more people [02:17] matey who is censoring putlers disinformation (im not sceptical about the part that putler is spreading disinformation, ive seen it) [02:17] MinceR allegedly the EU is blocking various terrorussian propaganda sites [02:17] matey it sets a bad precedent [02:17] MinceR earlier i've heard of RT but i'm not sure if that's blocked; allegedly sputnik is being blocked now [02:17] MinceR it does [02:17] matey (and not for the first time-- meaning technically its a not a precedent) [02:17] MinceR and i'm not sure if it actually helps [02:17] matey so we are in agreement [02:18] matey but what is crystalmath trying to do about it [02:18] MinceR are people who go to RT and sputnik for "news" likely to oppose vladolf, ever? [02:18] MinceR apparently he wants Roy to set up a mirror or something [02:18] matey this is the first ive heard of rt being pro putler, i thought they were leftish (for russia i mean) [02:18] MinceR also, i suspect that they're spreading more propaganda over social control media and chat [02:18] matey granteed i havent seen rt in a year or two [02:19] matey also, i suspect that they're spreading more propaganda over social control media and chat <- no, only the americans do that. russians would never... [02:19] matey :) [02:19] MinceR and we already know how well outlets like dumbFuckBook help stop the spread of neofascist propaganda [02:19] matey nazibook? [02:19] MinceR yeah [02:19] matey heh [02:19] MinceR faecesbook [02:19] matey fascistbook [02:20] matey zuck is jewish, i assume hes just trying to look edgy [02:20] MinceR no, he's just trying to get even richer [02:20] MinceR cambridge analytica was also merely driving engagement for him [02:20] MinceR and who cares if the usa loses rule of law [02:20] matey certainly not he [02:20] MinceR (what rule of law it had, anyway) [02:21] matey ineded [02:21] matey indeed [02:21] matey im in the dark about how youre pro-censorship on this [02:22] matey maybe rt would explain it to me, IF I COULD GO THERE [02:22] MinceR by not wanting to help host mirrors of terrorussian propaganda sites [02:22] matey so youre not pro-censorship, youre neutral on mirroring [02:22] matey crystalmath has boolean trouble sometimes [02:22] MinceR i don't care if he does it [02:22] matey i mean dont we all [02:22] matey but this is an example of it [02:23] MinceR the hungarian government already translates and rebroadcasts every lie that comes out of terrorussia [02:23] matey so there isnt much for you to do about it then [02:23] MinceR and millions of hungarian idiots believe every letter of it [02:23] MinceR nope [02:23] matey if you wanted to be a dick about it [02:23] MinceR all i can do is wait for the human species to kill itself off and see how they choose to do it [02:23] matey and im not saying you do, but just for the sake of argument [02:23] matey and im not saying i do either-- but just to make a semi-useful point [02:24] matey you could turn crystalmaths argument against them [02:24] MinceR he doesn't listen to reason [02:24] matey and say "if youre so anti-censorship why dont you go mirror something USEFUL that is being censored" [02:24] matey thats the first part [02:24] matey the second part is [02:24] MinceR i guess to him it's useful [02:25] matey you accuse them of being PRO-CENSORSHIP about more important things, because instead theyre only helping putler [02:25] matey after all, we cant mirror everything right? [02:25] MinceR presumably it's less work to become vladolf putler's slave in serbia if putler just marches through ukraine and hungary and takes over serbia [02:25] matey so why choose to save putler from this oh-so-important thing [02:25] MinceR than just moving to terrorussia [02:25] matey but of course that would be dickish [02:25] matey and we are trying to set a good example here [02:25] matey i think [02:26] MinceR it's because he thought he finally found a way to get freedom-respecting people to help putler's crusade against freedom [02:26] matey well they admit their bias [02:26] matey so i think this is more about bias than about censorship, but thats just my take on it [02:26] matey its technically about censorship too... [02:27] matey but since none of us are waving a flag for censorship here, what do they want [02:27] CrystalMath matey: i never asked MinceR to host it [02:27] matey what do you actually want from him though [02:28] CrystalMath to have the principle of anti-censorship that this place is supposed to have [02:28] matey and how is he falling short of that in your opinion [02:28] CrystalMath by not condemning EU censorship [02:28] matey i think technically he did condemn it, just not very passionately [02:28] CrystalMath it's pretty bad, they've opened pandora's box [02:28] matey he said it sets a bad precedent [02:29] matey thats technically condemnation [02:29] matey this isnt a nitpick, i think it counts [02:29] MinceR no, they opened pandora's box when they stood idle while orban and kaczynski turned 2 member states into dictatorships [02:29] matey heh [02:29] MinceR and they even handed those dictators money to help prop up their regimes [02:30] matey some people want mincer to stop being a smartass [02:30] matey other people would like to ban being a smartass [02:30] matey to them i say, if we outlaw being a smartass, then only dumbasses will be smartasses [02:30] MinceR lol [02:31] matey this channel needs at least one smartass that isnt a dumbass [02:31] matey thats why we have mincer [02:32] matey also mincer is the only reason tha someday, somehow, this chat will not be hosted on something running systemd [02:32] matey even if it takes another 15 years [02:32] MinceR lol [02:32] MinceR i have no influence on that [02:32] matey ive noticed! [02:32] matey and youve only been trying since 2000-fucking-11 [02:33] matey someone should give you a fucking medal [02:33] matey youre like the smedley butler of gnu/linux distributions [02:33] matey i dont even think denis roio gave a shit about systemd in 2011 [02:33] MinceR lol [02:33] matey though i dont know that he didnt [02:34] MinceR i doubt that i knew about it before he did [02:34] matey i wish crystalmath had cared about all the censorship that went into THAT takeover [02:34] matey bceause it lasted for years [02:35] matey well the thing is, systemd never affected me until it came into debian [02:35] matey and that was a non-issue until late 2014 [02:35] matey and i switched to devuan in early 2015, when roio put out a pre-alpha iso [02:35] matey heres the sad part [02:36] matey devuan never (to the best of my knowledge) put out a better version than roios pre-alpha [02:36] matey its a bit like reactos [02:36] matey cool idea, only the oldest versions were of any use to me at all [02:36] matey after the audit i couldnt find any real hardware to boot it [02:36] matey this isnt technically reactoss fault though [02:37] matey with all the russian devs involved its probably putlers :) [02:37] matey ^ im joking [02:37] MinceR the systemd cultists acted faster than devuan could accumulate workforce [02:37] matey yes that was part of it [02:37] matey the systemdouches are the root cause [02:37] matey i wont get into everything wrong with devuan itself [02:37] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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[02:42] matey well gnu/systemd at least should be called gnu/antignu [02:43] matey there is no linux, there is only fuul [02:43] MinceR it's systemd/Linux [02:43] matey soon to be systemd/kerneld [02:43] MinceR though since Linus stood aside, perhaps kroah-hartmanux or systemd-kerneld is a better name for the kernel [02:43] matey technically he was brushed aside [02:43] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/24/nvidia_intel_chips/ [02:44] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/24/nvidia_intel_chips/ [02:44] TR Bot Nvidia CEO: We're open to Intel making our chips The Register [02:44] matey but yes, he certainly hasnt struggled to come back [02:44] matey after stallman does state of free software, linus should do state of the kernel [02:44] matey which one will be worse? i guess we will find out in april [02:44] MinceR i don't think Linus gets to speek freely anymore [02:44] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-03-23.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-03-23.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:45] matey someone should remake batman (the adam west one, as if there were others) but with free software people [02:45] MinceR yet another batman remake? [02:45] matey its not a remake if adam west is in it [02:46] matey granted, theyll have to speed up the action scenes with camera magic [02:46] matey maybe they can animate it [02:46] AdmFubar sound just like in here today... https://xkcd.com/2597/ [02:46] TR Bot Salary Negotiation [02:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2597/ [02:47] matey munroe is dead to me [02:47] MinceR same [02:47] AdmFubar batman by ouija board? [02:47] matey is he dead? [02:48] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15nNY7uofNw [02:48] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=15nNY7uofNw [02:48] TR Bot yewtu.be | Curse of The Weggy Board - Invidious [02:49] AdmFubar adam west dies I think a couple of years ago [02:50] matey perfect spokesman for linux then [02:50] matey /me hopes they bring him back in a later issue [02:53] AdmFubar https://www.wired.com/story/viasat-internet-hack-ukraine-russia/ [02:53] TR Bot Satellite Hack Spills Beyond RussiaUkraine War | WIRED [02:53] matey /me hopes this hack was more useful than just broadcasting a bunch of hearts [02:57] AdmFubar https://tedium.co/2022/03/23/asahi-linux-apple-silicon-first-thoughts/ [02:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/03/23/asahi-linux-apple-silicon-first-thoughts/ [02:57] TR Bot Asahi Linux: The Individual Users Stake in an Apple Silicon World [02:57] matey the only thing that bothers me about apple silicon is this [02:58] matey most of the time, when you want to address the cpu, you use machine code or asm or something like that [02:58] matey and the m1 makes you use the mouse instead [02:58] matey tbh its very inefficient [02:58] MinceR you buy a real computer and use that instead [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 273.93 [02:59] MinceR https://assets.amuniversal.com/6b08abb09fbb012f2fe600163e41dd5b ( https://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24 ) [02:59] MinceR obligatory [02:59] TR Bot Comic Strip on 1995-06-24 | Dilbert by Scott Adams [02:59] matey "the first cpu with its own low-level gui" jobs would be so proud [02:59] AdmFubar https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/russia_it_pro_exodus/ [02:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/russia_it_pro_exodus/ [02:59] TR Bot Local industry lobby says IT pros fleeing Russia The Register [02:59] MinceR so would dave cutler [02:59] matey /me double-clicks some 64-bit registers [02:59] matey this could take a while... [02:59] MinceR they've gone from bloating the kernel with a GUI to bloating the CPU with a GUI ● Mar 24 [03:00] matey its really a throwback to the pdp when you had to toggle the bootloader in on the front panel [03:00] matey but with rounded corners and a chrome-covered mouse its just so much cooler [03:01] matey ive seriously been waiting this long for a user-friendly cpu though [03:01] matey i mean, finally! [03:01] matey plus it comes in different colours. why the hell didnt intel think of that? [03:02] matey most importantly though [03:02] matey its a cpu with a big fucking apple logo on it [03:02] matey its about fucking time. [03:02] matey their next cpu will also be a phone :) [03:02] MinceR but how does the cultist show off the logo on the cpu? [03:03] MinceR have they figured out a way to cool it without covering a logo? [03:03] matey mincer: see-thru heatsink made of transparent aluminium [03:03] MinceR or have they went the usual route and just forgot about cooling? [03:03] MinceR i don't think that has been invented yet [03:03] matey its just a holdover until tim cook can invent see-thru chrome [03:04] MinceR tim crook can't invent shit [03:04] matey buy honestly, they have 1-way mirrors so it shouldnt be too hard [03:04] MinceR he can't even innovate his cult [03:04] matey tim crook can't invent shit <- this is why they need a holdover [03:04] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 371326 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39862 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 13 days ago [03:04] MinceR "1-way mirrors" are mostly glass [03:04] MinceR and glass doesn't conduct heat well [03:04] matey ah, but [03:04] MinceR then again, crApple "engineers" wouldn't care if it did anyway [03:04] matey if you heat the glass... [03:05] MinceR they didn't mind building an alleged phone with an antenna that the user would normally short-circuit [03:05] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 1.3 GB TotalOut: 283 MB [03:06] matey "we made a phone that looks good and has the best features-- and you want it to WORK, too? theres just no pleasing you people" [03:06] MinceR lol [03:06] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:06] matey "engineers" they prefer the term "creatives" [03:06] MinceR if you want a phone that looks good, has the best features and works, go to the competition [03:06] MinceR sadly, LG has given up the fight [03:06] matey i know [03:07] MinceR as the slogan for the V50 said, "What's it gonna take?" [03:07] matey i had a phone from them that was barely bigger than a zippo lighter (it was large enough to be more ergonomic than that) [03:07] IPFS QmbtCnKikT7Qr6XTD9CLjRmtU6T3bRTyVqgASiAa1S3VBY [03:07] IPFS New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above. [03:07] matey it was cheap, reliable, and had JUST ENOUGH browser capability for what i needed on a phone [03:07] matey needless to say i dont do much browsing on a phone [03:07] MinceR samsung knows that's it gonna take: 1. make fun of some misfeature in the hypePhone 2. wait a little 3. copy that same misfeature into a galaxy phone 4. ??? 5. profit! [03:08] matey but when i had to get a new phone eventually, that went by the wayside [03:09] matey samsung: 1. make phone smaller 2. forget to scale battery down to fit 3. squeeze it in like packing a suitcase full of 2 kardashian wardrobes 4. put customers on no-fly list [03:09] matey brilliant engineering. those people should work at apple. [03:10] MinceR wasn't that more of a case of deciding to add a stylus to the Note version but refusing to make room for it? [03:10] matey honestly do not know [03:10] matey all i can tell you is, i know which priority matters more to my design sensibilities [03:10] matey 1. doesnt burst into a flames? check. 2. room for stylus? oh well, fuck it [03:11] MinceR :> [03:11] MinceR it could have been a bit bigger than the S (which is expected of a Note), or it could have had less battery [03:11] matey to be fair, the engineer did go to school [03:12] matey the "why you should never cram batteries into ill-fitting enclosures" lecture was on a day they missed [03:13] matey or it could have had less battery <- but that would piss off the customers, so lets just take our chances [03:14] matey im waiting for someone to put the battery in the cpu [03:14] matey they used to (shit you not) put the clock battery IN THE CLOCK (not usually, i saw this on a repair video of an old x86) [03:15] matey it was a combination clock chip / battery. genius! [03:16] matey less solder points to the board, maybe. who knows [03:16] matey i always think these things happen when someone loses a bet [03:16] matey "hold my beer" [03:17] MinceR yeah [03:19] matey poettering: "i bet you cant do worse than this!" [03:19] matey samsung: "hold my beer" [03:20] MinceR well, they do use kdbus and systemd in tizen, iirc [03:20] matey ugh [03:20] MinceR though i'm not sure if they're still trying to sell tizen phones [03:20] matey my only (academic, hypothetical) interest in tizen was "maybe no systemd) [03:20] matey if they're still trying to sell tizen phones <- obviously not, unless ibm buys them first [03:22] matey didnt facebook have some server design a while back? [03:22] MinceR \_()_/ [03:22] matey if anybody wants something worse than applie silicon... [03:22] matey maybe facebook will make a cpu too :) [03:22] MinceR or MICROS~1 [03:23] matey of course it will constantly upload the contents of the cpu registers to their servers [03:23] matey for advertising of course [03:24] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government/ [03:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government/ [03:24] TR Bot Is Laundering Its Reputation By Offering Its AI To Ukraines Government | Techdirt [03:25] matey clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government <- buncha fucking humanitarians [03:25] matey like when halliburton went to build shit in iraq [03:25] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/apple-cripples-its-own-streaming-app-in-stand-off-with-google/ [03:25] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/apple-cripples-its-own-streaming-app-in-stand-off-with-google/ [03:25] TR Bot Cripples Its Own Streaming App In Stand Off With Google | Techdirt [03:26] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/alaska-state-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-fact-checking-and-content-moderation-for-freedom/ [03:26] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/alaska-state-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-fact-checking-and-content-moderation-for-freedom/ [03:26] TR Bot State Senator Introduces Bill To Ban Fact Checking And Content Moderation. For Freedom | Techdirt [03:26] matey /me would like to see a REAL standoff with apple and google [03:26] matey that would be epic [03:27] matey samsung has their own military, so theres little doubt who the victor would be [03:27] matey google can lease the pentagon, but it doesnt REALLY belong to them [03:27] MinceR the real news: crApple Somehow Managed to Find Something to Cripple In Its Own Product [03:28] matey they had a reverse bug bounty [03:28] matey "help us find something that works!" [03:28] MinceR gulag and crApple have both made at least one pact with the federal state [03:28] MinceR they're both in PRISM, for example [03:28] matey of course [03:29] MinceR and i doubt samsung wants south korea to go to war with the USA [03:30] matey no but this was purely hypothetical and for fun [03:30] matey i like that you considered the serious ramifications of it [03:30] MinceR :> [03:30] matey i was thinking something along the lines of a comic strip [03:33] matey i did try setting up a gemini server in openbsd by the way [03:33] matey using vger [03:33] matey ive checked and rechecked the configuration [03:33] matey im sure i did it all right, only thing is, it doesnt work [03:33] activelow MinceR> probably the last GNU/Linux distro with stable releases and no systemd left is Slackware <- you forgot Gentoo [03:34] psydruid Void and Adlie? [03:34] MinceR Gentoo never had releases [03:34] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:34] MinceR Void is rolling as well [03:34] matey this is a native server that hooks into whatever majoogly inet business instead of reinventing the wheel [03:34] activelow and the last distro which removes _all_ of it (dbus): it is mine, which i named BaphometOS [03:34] MinceR Funtoo was experimenting with some release-like thing but it didn't seem to do much [03:35] matey BaphometOS <- if someone forks it they can call it horny linux [03:35] matey and have a toad as the mascot [03:36] MinceR i don't know adelie [03:36] matey /me thinks it would be epic if you could download BaphometOS, with the build scripts and source [03:36] activelow i am thinking to tailor this for raspberry, for broader audience [03:37] matey youre really going to put it online? [03:37] matey that would be a coup [03:37] MinceR would it? [03:37] activelow not really, because coordination of development efforts is a nightmare [03:37] activelow given, i downgraded to gcc-4.7 for the sake of c++ remove from base-system [03:37] matey mincer: from someone who says routinely that linux has no future [03:37] activelow guess, how much mainline support anywhere was remaining? with Kernel, GCC... [03:37] matey a distro that showed everything wrong with it would be a coup. yes [03:38] MinceR it's not a fork of the krenel, is it? [03:38] MinceR s/kre/ker/ [03:38] matey i mean a coup in terms of a stunt [03:38] activelow the kernel required treatment too [03:38] MinceR it's not violent enough to be a coup [03:38] matey linux would still have no future, it wouldnt fix that [03:38] matey i dont think activelow believes linux has a future either [03:38] matey this isnt a fix, its a demo [03:38] activelow and the plan is, to fully replace GCC with TinyCC, which is alot of efforts remaining [03:39] activelow matey: both GCC and Linux arrived at where i am not willing to git-pull anymore [03:40] matey MinceR: i see this as an enormous middle finger to the industry, even if only as an art project [03:40] matey but it would make a list of interesting points about the direction of gnu/linux [03:40] activelow currently, i consider the incentive for a full release with coordinated development efforts too low, if GCC can't be fully removed [03:41] activelow and TinyCC is a huge task [03:41] activelow another issue is: hardware support [03:41] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [03:41] matey i consider the incentive for a full release with coordinated development efforts <- i think it would be epic just to put the sources and build scripts up, with or without an iso [03:41] matey or img [03:42] matey but if you put it online, what would you use for a repo? [03:42] activelow git, and i follow gentoo development practices as best as i can, although it is simply too many patches to fully meet QA of theirs [03:43] matey git what though? lots of gits online [03:43] matey im sure youre not going to self host it [03:43] matey too expensive [03:43] matey lots of gits online <- understatement of the year [03:43] activelow i'll not push anywhere; i had asked @gentoo for some little git-space and an overlay [03:43] matey i had asked @gentoo for some little git-space and an overlay <- cool [03:45] activelow anyway, i am using and refining this for 3years already, recently having removed c++ [03:46] activelow a moment ago patched some bugs in nilfs2 userspace utilities, tomorrow i need to review some linking issue [03:46] activelow since, gcc/ld since recently added some stuff, which i am not sure where it came from [03:46] activelow ^ another reason, to depart, given what i had seen [03:46] matey yeah, even the filename / function name looked like a perl one liner :) [03:47] activelow linker decides to add stuff, which isn't used, and which i didn't ask for, yet it's there [03:47] matey systemd-compilerd [03:49] activelow far worse: systemd can be removed, gcc can't be [03:50] matey there was a time when no one thought it was a problem that gcc wasnt optional [03:50] matey then c++ wasnt optional for compiling c, and i do think thats a bit like the systemd-ification of gcc [03:51] matey im not sure, but it seems a bit wrong for c++ to be needed to compile c [03:51] matey the thing is, systemd wasnt an entirely new idea [03:52] AdmFubar :)) https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/sec-elon-musk-tweets [03:52] TR Bot Musk tweets should still be pre-approved, SEC argues - Protocol [03:52] matey it was an old idea, a bad idea, and it worked as predicted [03:52] matey this is an anti-pattern. seeing it take over the core of all free software is bad. [03:53] matey maybe in 10 years techrights will talk about the problems with gcc [03:53] matey i dont blame roy for not getting excited about it just yet, im still not sure whether its worth a panic [03:53] matey but it does seem like a dubious direction for gcc (on top of all the other problems with gcc these days) [03:54] matey in 10 years, but probably sooner, gnu and gcc will start to look more and more like linux and systemd [03:55] matey like something thats too late to fix [03:55] matey as with linux, there arent enough developers that give a shit about these problems-- so the fact that its TECHNICALLY fixable isnt very relevant [03:55] matey it wont get fixed [03:56] matey but id be thrilled to be wrong [03:56] matey linux wont be forked, little of gnu will be salvaged [03:56] activelow TinyCC is GPLed [03:56] matey everything drifts towards microsoft and ibm, not away [03:57] matey TinyCC is GPLed <- gpl doesnt bother me [03:57] activelow yet, GPL does not protect against malice [03:57] matey GPL does not protect against malice <- gpl is the wrong tool to protect against everything that can possibly happen to free software [03:57] matey it can only cover some things [03:57] matey its like a firewall [03:58] matey anyone that thinks you can just buy a firewall and never worry about security again is very silly [03:58] matey the gpl is no different, it can only do so much [03:58] matey no matter how many upgrades it gets, the only way you have freedom is with eternal vigilance [03:58] matey this doesnt mean the gpl is useless, just limited [03:59] matey like any other single solution is limited [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.63 k/sec., IPFS upstream 11.38 average k/sec., average swarm size 292.93 ● Mar 24 [04:06] matey its a shame that rms never cared about unix philosophy [04:06] matey gnu would have fared better for longer [04:06] matey it honestly would have-- it would be easier to salvage now [04:07] activelow which was the last GCC compiler version RMS was actively involved with? gcc 2.7? if, then this was different software quality than what it mutated into. [04:07] matey rms stopped coding a very long time ago [04:08] matey he became just a project manager [04:08] matey also gcc was built on the idea that even if the quality was... [insert whatever word fits here] you had the freedom to improve it [04:08] matey which got it this far, at least [04:10] matey unpopular opinion: most of the gnu developers arent that useful to the continuation of gnu [04:10] matey im trying REALLY hard to be fair here. [04:10] matey 100% fair [04:10] matey there must be a few good ones. [04:11] matey historically i dont think theres a more important operating system, unless you count unix [04:11] matey and i think gnu is at least better than HISTORICAL unix [04:11] matey (so is bsd) [04:11] CrystalMath matey: i did not care about systemd censorship?? [04:11] CrystalMath i was one of the first few people on #debianfork [04:12] matey CrystalMath: to be fair, technically thats untrue perhaps [04:12] matey its more of a barbed comment than a truth [04:12] CrystalMath i care about all censorship [04:12] matey i was one of the first few people on #debianfor <- i was unaware of that [04:12] matey i only had your most recent comments on the subject to go on [04:13] matey probably wouldnt have made that comment if i knew you were an early initfreedom fighter [04:13] matey fair enough [04:13] CrystalMath i think the best challenge is when you have to face like, cases where not censoring causes you pain [04:13] CrystalMath that really shows whether you're truly for freedom of speech or not [04:13] matey thats a fair argument [04:13] matey it could lead to some silly examples but [04:14] matey as a principle, yes, i think theres truth to it [04:14] CrystalMath i had a situation where i myself had the power to censor people who were saying awful things to a person i like [04:14] matey when lives are at stake, i DO focus on uncensoring truth more than i focus on uncensoring weaponised bullshit [04:15] CrystalMath and, while i did try some gymnastics in my head to find a way to justify it, ultimately i didn't [04:15] matey this might even be a reasonable exception to your principle [04:15] CrystalMath so i passed the test [04:15] CrystalMath MinceR did not [04:15] matey i mean, ultiately, we shouldnt censor bullshit either [04:15] matey well i think youre being unfair to mincer [04:15] matey hes closer to neutral and really, on the same side of the debate as you [04:16] matey but you talk like hes on the other side, and he isnt [04:16] matey mostly it shows how far you are on one side [04:16] matey at least its the side i think is the right side [04:17] CrystalMath well, yes, i'm quite a free speech extremist [04:17] matey and that doesnt bother me too much [04:17] matey its really a matter of whether im going to go that far personally [04:17] matey i dont prioritise uncensoring weaponised bullshit over truth, just because im less comfortable with bullshit [04:18] matey technically, you seem to be making that argument. [04:18] matey but we at least agree that censoring things for being bullshit is a dangerous idea [04:18] matey one we shouldnt base the internet on, for example [04:18] CrystalMath if you think western media is telling the truth, you're extremely wrong [04:18] matey that imo puts us on the same side of the debate [04:19] CrystalMath there is also the fact that on the topic of russia-ukraine, i know people who are independent journalists who actually went over there [04:19] matey if you think western media is telling the truth, you're extremely wrong <- im not saying we should uncensor the west and not give a shit about the rest [04:19] CrystalMath who are there even now [04:19] CrystalMath i trust what they say, and it definitely matches up more what you'd find on RT than what you'd find on CNN [04:19] CrystalMath not that it matches anything perfectly [04:22] matey weve there is also the fact that on the topic of russia-ukraine, i know people who are independent journalists who actually went over there <- i have something to say about that [04:23] matey what you do with the independent journalism you have access to, is make moral judgements the rest of us consider limited and one-sided and then preach to us as though your morals are superior [04:23] matey which youre free to do obviously [04:23] matey but if you want to help those journalists, really [04:24] matey the best thing you could do is tell us what theyre reporting [04:24] matey then we will make our own decisions [04:24] matey id be interested in what they have to say. [04:24] matey im less interested in your conclusions based on what they say, though sometimes i read those as well [04:25] CrystalMath well that would be rather long, it's not the topic of techrights [04:25] matey if you put it in #techpol for example [04:25] CrystalMath i'm just saying i have reasons to trust RT more than CNN [04:25] matey it will be logged, and you can point to it [04:25] matey and other people in there (where applicable) can comment [04:25] matey i'm just saying i have reasons to trust RT more than CNN <- i think its been a year or two since i bothered looking at cnn [04:25] matey but i know its just an example [04:26] matey and then before that, it was probably another year or two [04:26] matey gives you an idea how often i pay attention to cnn [04:26] matey and furthermore, i dont think most of the people in here rely on a single source, or single view anywya [04:27] matey so theyre already looking for other reports [04:27] matey just not being preached at in terms of politics (which again, youre free to do-- whether its completely ineffective or not) [04:27] CrystalMath yes, well, MinceR always did that, for example with freenode and Andrew Lee [04:28] CrystalMath but not when it hurts him [04:28] matey again, i think your expectations of mincer are a bit much [04:28] matey i recommend giving the longer version at #techpolg [04:28] matey minus the g [04:29] matey you can actually refer to sections of the chat by timestamp even [04:29] matey using the mouse [04:29] matey feel free to post links to #techpol here, no ones going to stop you [04:29] CrystalMath techrights is like the best free media, and yet sometimes it disappoints me... [04:30] matey of course im not telling you what to do, im only suggesting something that would allow us to benefit more from your journalist friends [04:30] CrystalMath like when schestowitz called ivermectin "horse dewormer" [04:30] matey techrights is like the best free media, and yet sometimes it disappoints me... <- my opinion of it is lower than yours [04:30] CrystalMath i'm not even that optimistic about ivermectin [04:30] CrystalMath but it's definitely a drug made for humans... [04:30] CrystalMath only CNN made up the horse dewormer line [04:30] matey but it's definitely a drug made for humans... <- right, made for but not dosed for, but you know that [04:31] matey not dosed for <- in terms of available supply that is [04:31] matey they dose it for humans too [04:31] matey and i remember that when you talked about it [04:31] matey you acknowledged that the research linking it to possible treatment was very hypothetical [04:31] matey at least i seem to think so [04:32] CrystalMath it's definitely far from the magic some make it out to be [04:33] CrystalMath but i take back what i said about it being possibly dangerous [04:33] CrystalMath ivermectin is very safe, and will help against parasites [04:34] CrystalMath there are hypothetical mechanism about how it could be harmful, but it seems that in practice, experiments have shown a high degree of safety [04:36] matey on medical matters, youd do better to link to research papers than journalism [04:36] matey of course if it doesnt matter, you can just say whatever [04:36] matey but for something where people are dying due to self-dosing and getting banned from twitter for mentioning it [04:37] matey research papers are better than journalism [04:37] CrystalMath i possibly linked to a pubmed about it being safe, somewhere [04:38] CrystalMath i certainly read it [04:38] matey thats the sort of link youd want to post here, as long youre commenting on it [04:39] matey strictly optional-- just helps support what youre saying [04:41] AdmFubar they get banned from mentioning that they died? [04:41] AdmFubar O_o [04:41] matey ha [04:41] matey banned for mentioning ivermectin [04:42] matey but yes, the people who mentioned it were in fact the same ones who died [04:42] matey obviously jack dorsey doesnt want that sort of thing to get out [04:42] matey that the internet can communicate with the afterlife is top secret shit [04:44] matey the twitter tos actually forbids the non-living to use twitter to communicate with the living [04:44] matey but only the version of twitter in the afterlife shows that clause [04:45] matey what would be interesting is if the veil worked both ways [04:45] matey and the dead had no idea that there are living people [04:45] matey except for some who hold seances, and all the dead think its just hooey [04:46] matey "pfft, theres no before-death, thats just a fairy tale" [04:46] matey "i believe that before death, you simply dont exist, and thats it" [04:49] AdmFubar http://pi.wecraftalot.com/ [04:49] TR Bot My Raspberry Pi [04:51] *matey has quit (connection closed) [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 57.46 average k/sec., average swarm size 294.30 [04:59] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) ● Mar 24 [05:05] *matey (~matey@5h3dmpqd94uhq.irc) has joined #techrights [05:06] matey Ariadne alpine is based on something other than gnu libc right? [05:06] matey any idea if alpine can be compiled with tinycc? [05:06] matey not important, so if you dont know off the top of your head, dont worry about it-- but you might [05:07] matey either way it still uses linux, and linux cant compile with tinycc, so [05:07] matey /me shrugs but the rest of it perhaps [05:18] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [05:30] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 23, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [05:30] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [05:31] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [05:31] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [05:34] TR News Apple 'invented' pencils? https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-apple-pencil-not-working/ [05:34] TR Bot 9 Best Fixes for Apple Pencil Not Working Properly - Make Tech Easier [05:34] TR News 270: System76 Interview with Emma Marshall - Destination Linux https://destinationlinux.org/episode-270/ [05:34] TR Bot 270: System76 Interview with Emma Marshall - Destination Linux [05:36] TR News "A significant follow-up to one of the biggest Linux stories, the Pandora's box the MIT Technology Review claims open-source devs just opened, and Linux on the M1 finally ships." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148007/linux-action-news-233/ [05:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148007/linux-action-news-233/ [05:36] TR Bot Linux Action News 233 | Jupiter Broadcasting [05:37] TR News Gammath SPOT version 2.6 (beta) released on 23 March 2022 https://pypi.org/project/gammath-spot/2.6/ [05:37] TR Bot gammath-spot PyPI [05:41] TR News Audiocasts/Shows: TLLTS, Linux Action News, Destination Linux, FLOSS Weekly, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162925 [05:41] TR Bot Audiocasts/Shows: TLLTS, Linux Action News, Destination Linux, FLOSS Weekly, and More | Tux Machines [05:41] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:45] TR News "I have been fortunate that for the last two years I've been working from home, with maybe a once a quarter trip to the mother ship, I mean office. Web work has its advantages." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/857 [05:46] schestowitz (cat) [05:46] schestowitz gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D181.jpg [05:46] schestowitz (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D539.jpg [05:48] matey the rms talk is going to be generic and feature nothing groundbreaking [05:49] matey probability: 95% [05:49] matey theres always a chance it wont be [05:50] matey for bonus points, it might actually dismiss the importance of something important [05:51] matey but only half a point if someone else manages to bring it up. then of course it will be dismissed [05:52] matey the fsf is practically set in stone now-- THAT is the state of free software [05:55] TR News Better to just use WINE https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/how-to-win11-in-gnome-boxes.html [05:55] TR Bot How to run Windows 11 in GNOME Boxes (with UEFI and TPM2 emulation) [05:55] matey there are two things im willing to hype: people doing something new and promising, and people making damned good efforts to preserve something the way it is [05:56] matey constant compromise can hype itself (and typically does) [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 59.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 280.33 [05:59] schestowitz-TR there may be q and a [05:59] schestowitz-TR those can be more interesting [05:59] schestowitz-TR as the questions are not predictable [05:59] schestowitz-TR and new suibjects get brought up ● Mar 24 [06:00] matey i think they have a pretty good script ready for q and a [06:00] matey q and a is like how a ninja can outjump a bullet [06:00] matey theyre not faster than a bullet, they just know one important thing [06:01] matey the bullet goes where the gun is pointed-- you only have to be faster than the gunmans hand (which is still faster than most people) [06:01] matey similarly, there are only so many things the fsf is NOT doing that people are likely to stump them with [06:01] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162926 [06:01] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [06:01] matey you prepare for those questions, and there wont be anything out of left field really [06:01] matey i think this is basic media training [06:02] matey i have good reason to be cynical, ive been watching for years [06:02] TR News This is a malware issue, it's shipped by Microsoft, but SJVN carries on misattributing the issue https://www.zdnet.com/article/some-developers-are-fouling-up-open-source-software/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/microsoft-infosec-propaganda/ [06:02] TR Bot developers are fouling up open-source software | ZDNet [06:02] TR Bot Media Blames Free Software When Microsoft Distributes Malware and Gets Cracked | Techrights [06:02] matey if nothing else, ask mincer [06:02] matey he has a good idea of what the fsf is going to do [06:02] matey but the silver lining is we could both be wrong [06:03] TR News "The nds32 architecture ends its tenure in the Linux kernel." https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAK8P3a0DeZ4Gx6fOqLkjmA7kNYW5ZHq8BUpWTXXdqdtxcHRNLg@mail.gmail.com/ [06:03] TR Bot [GIT PULL] asm-generic updates for 5.18 - Arnd Bergmann [06:03] matey i think the fsf is like lucy holding a football for charlie brown [06:03] matey he knows shes going to pull the ball up and hes going to kick nothing and fall on his arse [06:04] matey he even says this and she swears it wont happen [06:04] TR News C isn't a programming language anymore - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/c_not_a_language/ [06:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/23/c_not_a_language/ [06:04] TR Bot C isn't a programming language anymore The Register [06:04] matey every time, it gets more and more cynical. sometimes, lucy tries that much harder to convince him, and he runs and kicks--- [06:04] matey and she does it again [06:04] matey its not the fsf, its a hype machine where the fsf used to be [06:05] matey leah is more optimistic, about zoe [06:05] matey i dont share the optimism, but i think if anyone is likely to prove me wrong, its going to be someone leah thinks has potential [06:06] matey we will find out in april, obviously [06:13] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@kmujm4s8xqrtu.irc) has joined #techrights [06:19] TR News Links 24/3/2022: Toy Version of TLS 1.3 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/toy-version-of-tls-1-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/toy-version-of-tls-1-3/ [06:19] TR Bot Links 24/3/2022: Toy Version of TLS 1.3 | Techrights [06:20] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162927 [06:20] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [06:20] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162928 [06:20] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [06:39] kingoffrance its kind of an idiotic article Rust and Swift cannot simply speak their native and comfortable tongues [06:39] kingoffrance so unless your cpu has native rust and swift instructions, you dont have real hardware [06:39] kingoffrance people who dont understand conway's law, sky is blue [06:39] kingoffrance people who think they are immune, just another lee again lol [06:40] kingoffrance one can wonder when they create this specialized modern rust and swift hardware, where that will leave other languages [06:40] kingoffrance they will do the same exact thing they are whining about to everyone else [06:41] matey people who dont understand conway's law <- hey, you said that about me [06:41] kingoffrance a bunch of companies called the Aspen Group settled on a programming model for 64-bit Unix and Unix-like OSes called LP64, also known as "4/8/8". Unfortunately, 64-bit Microsoft Windows uses a different model, called LLP64 or "4/4/8" [06:41] kingoffrance c is neutral on this [06:41] kingoffrance their complaint is that C is not "hardcoded for a pdp-11" [06:42] kingoffrance they want a hardcoded xyz hardware [06:42] kingoffrance *language for xyz hardware [06:43] matey a bunch of companies called the Aspen Group settled on a programming model for 64-bit Unix and Unix-like OSes called LP64, also known as "4/8/8". Unfortunately, 64-bit Microsoft Windows uses a different model, called LLP64 or "4/4/8" <- so what [06:43] kingoffrance yes, they are whining c is too flexible [06:44] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:44] kingoffrance C didnt define an ABI there, they want something that does [06:44] kingoffrance i.e. they want a "fast pdp-11" or whatever model they think is ideal [06:45] matey who is they [06:45] matey aspen? [06:45] kingoffrance "Rust and Swift cannot simply speak their native and comfortable tongues" good question [06:45] kingoffrance this is a non-sequitor [06:45] kingoffrance the peanut gallery it looks like [06:45] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [06:46] kingoffrance strawman argumetn, from strawmen people [06:46] kingoffrance conway's law lol [06:49] kingoffrance (linked) "The only way to fix this in reality is defining your own C library implementation that had aggressive symbol versioning support from the implementation and an investment in forward compatibility. " they are whining that noone put in the work [06:50] kingoffrance i.e. they dont like implementations, not the "language". it is word games -- they are unable to separaet implementations from standards [06:50] kingoffrance when you dont have standards, then implementations are "languages" [06:50] matey yes [06:51] matey do you suppose that "and an investment in forward compatibility" really means "and a divestment in backwards compatibility" [06:51] matey ie "an investment in breaking shit to please its industry masters?" [06:52] matey asking for a friend [06:52] kingoffrance i dont know, but it is specious mentality whatever points they have [06:52] matey i mean thats what it usually means [06:52] kingoffrance iti s legal versus lawful, "identity politics" -- unable to discern idea/thought/spirit from idolatry/manifestation [06:52] kingoffrance whatever they want, will be a disaster [06:52] matey not sure its unable-- more like unwilling [06:52] kingoffrance :) [06:52] matey maybe they want a disaster? [06:53] matey the stereotypical (but thankfully not very typical [06:53] matey ) fireman who sets fires to put them out and play the hero [06:53] *rowbee has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [06:53] matey uncommon in actual firefighters, but common as fuck in the computer industry [06:53] *rowbee (~augh@joseon-6n0.an1.6o3glj.IP) has joined #techrights [06:57] matey some of these lips with collagen injections... [06:57] kingoffrance the link actually says the opposite of the claims: We would like to blame ABI but the fault is our own at this point: [06:58] matey you could get the same effect in 30 seconds without an appointment using a vacuum pump [06:58] matey i cant imagine its any less stupid an idea [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 35.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 50.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 302.18 ● Mar 24 [07:00] *psydroid9 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [07:00] *psydroid8 has quit (connection closed) [07:01] kingoffrance Upgrading it means dealing with this schism between what the user expects (intmax_t that got upgraded and can print __int128_t/__int256_t) with old, non-recompiled code that maintains the old invariant (long long, a 64-bit number). the complaint is code does not magically recompile itself [07:01] kingoffrance which is fine were this jvm or something [07:02] kingoffrance so, build a c virtual machine, problem solved [07:02] matey im trying to understand what the issue is here [07:02] *psydroid9 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:02] matey that couldnt be solved by adding a single pass with an ifdef [07:03] kingoffrance whining that cavemen do not have nuclear reactors [07:03] kingoffrance idiots [07:03] matey wily idiots, it sounds like [07:04] matey like a cross between lundukes trolling and rick bermans scriptwriting [07:04] kingoffrance it doesnt matter, but if they want to "transition" where is the "transition" plan [07:04] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [07:04] matey they want to transition to a nonplan [07:04] matey then put themselves in charge of the cleanup [07:04] kingoffrance yes, it looks more like just wanting to burn things down and start over [07:04] matey not unlike what happened to the fsf (well, it did) [07:04] matey it looks more like just wanting to burn things down and start over <- of course [07:05] matey they neednt even be industry types-- they could just be roman soldiers [07:05] matey same overall idea [07:06] kingoffrance i dont even disagree with them so much as : you have heard these same whines for 30+ years, when all they need to do is sit down and write their dream os and kernel and applications [07:06] kingoffrance the solution is hard work, which they are afraid of and allergic to apparently [07:07] kingoffrance its one of those "only works if they can convince everyone to drop what they are doing and 180" [07:07] kingoffrance i.e. they have no plan [07:08] matey only works if they can convince everyone to drop what they are doing and 180 <- happens all too often [07:16] mjg59_ It's not really a complaint that C has poorly defined ABI, it's pointing out that C is the de-facto ABI for operating systems and having it be poorly defined makes it difficult to interoperate [07:17] mjg59_ Which is a historical accident rather than a deliberate design decision [07:17] mjg59_ gcc, clang and icc all fail to interoperate in subtle ways because the ABI that they target isn't sufficiently well defined [07:19] kingoffrance yes, agree mjg59_ . [07:19] kingoffrance one thing to note, linked: I hear that everything on Linux is just a file, so lets open a file on Linux! [07:19] kingoffrance this was never true [07:19] kingoffrance for one, not all things can be nfs-exported, breaking the abstraction [07:19] matey unix was everything is a file [07:19] kingoffrance yes, but hold on [07:20] matey and even then that was an original goal, not a law [07:20] matey linux is... incredibly, not unix [07:20] kingoffrance fopen() manpage (netbsd) b is strictly for compatibility with c89 and has no effect [07:20] mjg59_ So it's fair to say that C is more than a programming language - it's ended up as a not super well defined OS ABI as well [07:20] kingoffrance there was never any "file" there was always "opened in binary mode" "opened in some mainframe record-oriented other mode" [07:20] kingoffrance noone ever agreed on what a "file" was [07:20] mjg59_ It'd be much easier to interoperate if C had well-defined interface definitions [07:21] kingoffrance they just said "pretend user passed b as default, call it a day" [07:21] matey "a file" as defined by the os [07:21] kingoffrance yes [07:21] kingoffrance no CORBA IDL "file" was used there either [07:21] matey but it still referred to a certain consistency, even if it was an exaggeration [07:21] kingoffrance not for unix, but did anyone else? [07:21] kingoffrance sure [07:21] kingoffrance just pointing out people deliberately buried the issue [07:21] matey they meant that it all had the same interface as files did [07:22] matey which wasnt true but it was close [07:22] kingoffrance because tehy didnt want to deal with hardware-specific disk formats or what not [07:22] kingoffrance "records" [07:22] kingoffrance mainframe OS you will probably see that [07:23] kingoffrance C did the "right thing" arguably, i.e. support either [07:23] kingoffrance or did the "neutral" thing anyway [07:23] kingoffrance but implementations preferred simplicity it seems [07:24] kingoffrance this really gets into the heart of what is text or binary . modern parlance is there is no plaintext [07:24] kingoffrance point: c was pre utf and unicode [07:24] kingoffrance old parlance: control characters in ascii. specific to a terminal perhaps [07:24] kingoffrance point: noone ever agreed on that either, was swept under the rug [07:25] matey fix python before fucking up unicode in c, please [07:25] kingoffrance had they kept that, then each input device would have its own "character set" [07:25] kingoffrance and perhaps each "screen" too [07:25] kingoffrance :) [07:25] matey unicode is a subset of binary [07:25] matey or several subsets [07:26] matey and its impossible to pick one [07:26] matey and they dont work together [07:26] kingoffrance code is data, data is code :) [07:26] mjg59_ I think it's reasonable to ask "Should it be easy to call C libraries from other languages" [07:26] matey unicode is noise that is sometimes also data [07:26] TR News "It has been possible to use wildcards in the sudoers file for many years. 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[07:27] matey i love unicode, its like a parallel universe where everyone settled on usb as a standard-- even apple [07:27] matey and absolutely every peripheral uses usb with no exceptions [07:28] mjg59_ So, the setuid() syscall on Linux? It only applies to the current thread. [07:28] matey except usb doesnt have rectangular connectors-- it has alligator clips instead [07:28] matey fucking hell [07:28] mjg59_ POSIX says it should apply to the process, so glibc has magic code that applies it to all threads [07:29] mjg59_ So if you want setuid() to work right on Linux, you need to call into the C library rather than doing the syscall yourself [07:29] mjg59_ Or, alternatively, re-implement all of that complexity [07:29] mjg59_ This is fine by POSIX because POSIX defines library calls, not syscalls [07:29] matey serious question: why is c blamed for this instead of linux? [07:29] kingoffrance yeah, some of it is deliberately salacious characterization of arguments it seems too, but does not help. "I think it's reasonable to ask "Should it be easy to call C libraries from other languages"" <-- agree [07:29] matey oh i see, its posixes fault (that much i believe) [07:29] mjg59_ matey: C's not being blamed for this, C just makes it harder to deal with [07:30] TR News "It followed on from their 2020 FAST "Best Paper" that I discussed in Enterprise SSD Reliability, and it prompted me to review the literature of this area." https://blog.dshr.org/2022/03/storage-update-part-2.html [07:30] TR Bot DSHR's Blog: Storage Update: Part 2 [07:30] matey seems like this can all be fixed by linux abandoning posix which its doing anyway, afaik [07:30] kingoffrance well the headlines blame c, the real arguments are better yes [07:30] TR News "Let's see. You have physical access to a bunch of servers that are not yours. You do something to your workstation. The next thing you know, you can't reach some of those servers from that workstation." https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2022/03/22/hopeless/ [07:30] TR Bot Some people don't deserve access to the machine room [07:31] kingoffrance ultimately you are getting into object formats e.g. elf [07:31] kingoffrance which "languages" should an object format support? [07:32] kingoffrance or should it be "neutral" and let "languages" use the features how they may [07:32] mjg59_ I don't think that's a problem [07:32] TR News "It is easy to add autocompletion to commands in ksh, however they are limited because they have to be evaluated when the shell is starting." https://webzine.puffy.cafe/issue-8.html#tips [07:32] *psydroid8 has quit (Quit: Quit) [07:32] kingoffrance well i mean, does c mandate any particular object format? [07:32] TR Bot OpenBSD Webzine #8 [07:32] mjg59_ I don't think there's anything about ELF that strongly embodies language constructs [07:32] mjg59_ kingoffrance: Nope [07:32] mjg59_ But operating systems do tend to enforce that to some extent [07:33] kingoffrance yeah, at that point: which languages does an os support "natively" [07:34] mjg59_ But if I want to call into glibc so setuid() works properly I need to parse a bunch of includes with the C preprocessor to figure out how to call that properly [07:35] kingoffrance yeah, agree (from what ive heard) [07:35] mjg59_ So my non-C language needs to know something about C in order to be able to interact with the OS correctly [07:35] TR News Finnix 124 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162929 [07:35] TR Bot Finnix 124 released | Tux Machines [07:35] kingoffrance well even for C its an issue [07:35] matey pypy uses a simplified python to reimplement python in [07:35] TR News "This new browser window isolates the sign in process so that the website using OAuth never sees users sign in credentials" https://hothardware.com/news/bitb-phishing-technique-creates-animated-window-steal-passwords [07:35] Alternative link Cloudflare: hothardware.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hothardware.com/news/bitb-phishing-technique-creates-animated-window-steal-passwords [07:35] TR Bot Phishing Technique Creates An Animated Window To Steal Your Passwords | HotHardware [07:35] matey coudlnt they just do someting with c like that? [07:36] matey then you would have consistency under the usual interfact [07:36] matey interface [07:36] kingoffrance typedef struct foo { int a[LENGTH]; } effectively there are endless "versions" of that, depending on how "LENGTH" is defined, so i need a preprocessor to even "see" what it actually boils down to [07:37] TR News "I recently came across a blog post dealing briefly with the concept of strings, tables and subscripting in COBOL." https://www.datagubbe.se/cobtab/ [07:37] TR Bot and Strings in COBOL | datagubbe.se [07:37] kingoffrance it is like foo_8 foo_16 foo_57 but the (lack of) namespace means you would have to manually distingish one "struct foo" from another [07:37] TR News "Changing the boilerplate sucks though. If I make any tweaks to the initial version of the code, I have to manually change every single file to keep them all in sync" https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/i-finally-found-a-use-for-xml/ [07:37] TR Bot I finally found a use for XML Buttondown [07:38] TR News "Im still on Perl 5. I had fun exploring Raku, but Perl 5 still does everything I want, and uses that familiar syntax" https://rubenerd.com/versions-of-perl-i-use/ [07:38] TR Bot Version of Perl I use, via @pinkopanterata [07:39] TR News "Data science is vastly different than programming. We use only four languages R, Python, Julia, and SQL" https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/03/how-to-use-r-and-python-together-try-these-2-packages/ [07:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: r-bloggers.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/03/how-to-use-r-and-python-together-try-these-2-packages/ [07:39] TR Bot to Use R and Python Together? Try These 2 Packages | R-bloggers [07:40] matey i pity the foo [07:40] kingoffrance well, for that example just an IDL would seemingly be a step. so, not impossible, just means defining the language-independent version first, then making sure your C code (or whatever other language) adhers to it [07:40] kingoffrance or, auto-generating C headers from [07:41] TR News "Thats when you realize your mistake: bash, and shell scripting languages in general, are mostly broken by default. Unless you are very careful from day one, any shell script above a certain complexity level is almost guaranteed to be buggy" https://pythonspeed.com/articles/shell-scripts/ [07:41] TR Bot Please stop writing shell scripts [07:41] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@sy7ss5msyeqgk.irc) has joined #techrights [07:43] mjg59_ If we were starting from scratch we'd probably end up with a meaningful way to define interfaces that didn't depend on a language-specific spec [07:43] kingoffrance yep, agree [07:43] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@2y5vxdeq3hmn2.irc) has joined #techrights [07:44] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:44] mjg59_ But we're not, so realistically everything needs to depend on C to some extent even though C is not an "official" ABI [07:44] matey it would be hard for it to be language specific if you really started from scratch [07:44] matey but how would you determine that it was useful to anything then? [07:45] matey other than by interfacing various languages with it? [07:46] matey or is the goal to just throw out everything and have a new spec? [07:46] matey and then rewrite anything we still give a shit about [07:48] psydruid have there been any attempts to write a new language-independent spec? [07:49] kingoffrance i dont think it is even that dire, but it is like y2k or something -- boring, laborious work, refactoring in a way [07:49] psydruid also has there been any attempt to make a new POSIX that does away with legacy syscalls? [07:50] matey esperantOS [07:50] kingoffrance lol. go through all c headers ever, and pin them down to meaningful names and some IDL. quite simple and easy, just a huge laborious task [07:51] psydruid it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it [07:51] psydruid we care a lot [07:51] gooseheaded hi [07:52] gooseheaded patrons... [07:52] psydruid patriots [07:52] mjg59_ The problem with C headers is that they both define interfaces (in the form of prototypes), they also define macros and references to global variables and a whole bunch of stuff that only matters to the internal code, not to the interface [07:52] mjg59_ But the prototypes can also be declared in the form of the macros [07:52] mjg59_ So it's all a mess [07:53] gooseheaded the other day... the "cops" were going to arrest me, i told them actually that I was the fucking cops from MELBOURNE, and that like I was the government, and the fucking law, etc etc etc... etc, it is TRUE... [07:53] gooseheaded ffs [07:53] gooseheaded and uhh [07:53] gooseheaded they HAD THEIR HANDCUFFS OUT TO FUCKING "ARREST" ME AND THEY THEN LET ME FUCKING GO!!! [07:53] mjg59_ Anyway the point is that .h files are not a good interface definition [07:53] gooseheaded HAHA [07:53] gooseheaded NO SHIT!!! [07:53] gooseheaded =} [07:54] gooseheaded h e c t i c ... [07:54] gooseheaded mhm [07:54] mjg59_ But pretty much anything that else that people have invented has been worse? [07:54] mjg59_ So glad I don't need to deal with CORBA these days [07:55] gooseheaded i once fucking lived in a "NONEXISTENT" "town" where i fucking rolled ACROSS THE FUCKING ROAD, a "police" "officer" was "patrolling" the "road" etc... [07:56] gooseheaded a FUCKING HELICOPTER WAS "LANDING" REALLY I WAS, FFS... ANYWAY... SO I WAS ALMOST BLOWN THE FUCK AWAY, AND ALONG WITH MY SUITCASE, WITH A PINEAPPLE INSIDE, FROZEN, OFC... [07:57] gooseheaded i told the "police" "officer" that I "didn't notice" etc... [07:57] gooseheaded ROFL!!! [07:57] gooseheaded full fucking on. hue hue hue... [07:57] gooseheaded ;-) [07:58] gooseheaded hi schestowitz [07:58] gooseheaded are you also a UPSTANDING duck? [07:58] gooseheaded basically, a penguin??? [07:58] gooseheaded y'know..? [07:58] gooseheaded ;-) [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.96 k/sec., IPFS upstream 104.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 458.33 [07:59] gooseheaded i am actually a goose, but disguised as a GIRAFFE, HIDING from the government, etc... [07:59] gooseheaded ;-) [07:59] gooseheaded y'know... [07:59] gooseheaded brb one moment, kind patron... ● Mar 24 [08:01] kingoffrance part of reason i am a little salty: there was 24-bit char (motorola dsp) there were 9-bit "bytes" and 36-bit computing and whatnot. all that was swept under the rug as obsolete. then java/c++/objective-c was magically going going to solve write once, run anywhere, pics or didnt happen. then post-c89 started adding uint32_t -- solidifying more, removing non 2s complement. didnt want to deal with padding bits or obscure things. fina [08:01] kingoffrance lly, "modern" languages let you define custom integer types -- full circle. its like "diversity" was deliberately destroyed, then wake up and wonder why it is a monoculture [08:01] kingoffrance industry did it to themselves [08:02] gooseheaded 'industry" patient... [08:02] gooseheaded i am actually God!!! [08:02] gooseheaded haha [08:02] gooseheaded absolutely... [08:02] gooseheaded trust me, i am actually a DOCTOR!!! [08:02] gooseheaded ;-) [08:02] gooseheaded and God... [08:03] kingoffrance maxint_t or whatever, is a typedef. an alias for some actual "primitive type" (char,short,int,long, long long, some ibm powerpc something even wanted long long long ). [08:03] TR News "Interoperability is one of the original design principles underpinning the internet, and largely responsible for its scale and unique properties" https://edri.org/take-action/events/a-conversation-about-interoperability-and-building-digital-public-spaces/ [08:03] TR Bot A conversation about Interoperability and building digital public spaces - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [08:03] kingoffrance at which point, ms "DWORD" almost makes sense [08:03] gooseheaded fuck- the idiot, really a kind ADORABLE women was at the other end of the yarn holding the other plastic cup to her ear DRUM... [08:03] gooseheaded fuck... [08:03] kingoffrance again: noone agreed on a scheme there, ms did their own thing [08:04] kingoffrance noone ever agreed how big a "word" is [08:04] kingoffrance or a "byte" [08:04] gooseheaded she was at the "university" etc, whatever... I AM the UNIVERSITY... etc... fuck- she asked me "what were your pronouns, i told her CAPTAIN/PROFESSOR/ETC!!! [08:04] kingoffrance rfcs say "octet" [08:04] TR News "After years of tantalizing hints that a passwordless future is just around the corner" https://www.wired.com/story/fido-alliance-ios-android-password-replacement/ those are NOT solutions. http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/ [08:04] TR Bot of the Password? FIDO Alliance Reveals Its New Plan | WIRED [08:04] TR Bot A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights [08:04] gooseheaded she was like- ROFLCOPTTER!!! [08:04] gooseheaded mhm [08:04] gooseheaded i loled... [08:04] gooseheaded etc [08:04] gooseheaded ;-) [08:05] kingoffrance in that sense, they are asking for what never was [08:05] kingoffrance some imaginary world where everyone agreed [08:06] kingoffrance never happened [08:06] kingoffrance chesterton's fence. *why* was C "neutral" so much? [08:06] schestowitz-TR gooseheaded: are you on drugs? [08:06] gooseheaded uhh [08:06] gooseheaded rly??? [08:07] XRevan86 click: "what does pro audio means on the pulse mixer?" <- https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/676566 [08:07] gooseheaded i am ALWAYS FUCKING SIDEWAYS!!! [08:07] TR Bot The "Pro Audio" profile in PipeWire for audio devices / sound cards - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange [08:07] psydruid why can't things be defined more clearly now? [08:07] gooseheaded absolutely... [08:07] gooseheaded mhm [08:07] gooseheaded i walk perpendicular to the x-axis of earth... [08:07] mjg59_ psydruid: We haven't defined the words to define things more clearly [08:07] gooseheaded so on the y-axis, fuck's sake, man... [08:08] gooseheaded it is FULL ON!!! [08:08] mjg59_ At least, not in a way that computers can understand [08:08] gooseheaded ;-) [08:08] gooseheaded mhm [08:08] gooseheaded people LOVE IT!!! [08:08] gooseheaded ;-) [08:08] *matey has quit (Quit) [08:08] *matey (~matey@pe56h6ji5mhu8.irc) has joined #techrights [08:09] gooseheaded i am always SIDEWAYS, i tilt my head diagonally, so i ALIGN my visual perspective to my fucking diagonal fucking STANCE!!! [08:09] gooseheaded it is full on!!! [08:09] gooseheaded hue hue hue... [08:09] gooseheaded it "kinda" works... [08:09] gooseheaded well it DOES!!! [08:10] schestowitz-TR go get some sleep [08:10] schestowitz-TR you talk nonsense [08:10] XRevan86 MinceR: "also, ask XRevan86 about roskomnadzor, since you seem to be on a crusade against censorship" <- Censorship is when Putin's agenta is countered. Ask Pieskov, he'll tell you all about it. [08:11] schestowitz-TR putin has a new slant on censorship [08:11] schestowitz-TR he bans the extremists [08:11] schestowitz-TR not just foreign agents [08:11] gooseheaded i took a pee nonsense? [08:11] XRevan86 Like Facebook. [08:11] matey thats not new [08:11] schestowitz-TR and now they ban whole sites for what some users say in them [08:11] gooseheaded i am about the only sane fucking person in the universe... [08:11] matey like the fediverse [08:12] gooseheaded what did i type which was nonsense..? [08:12] schestowitz-TR yeah, fediverse has issues [08:12] gooseheaded tell me... please..? [08:12] schestowitz-TR and you need to appease several tyrants all at once [08:12] kingoffrance "why can't things be defined more clearly now?" i dont know, just looks like going in circles in the big picture. this isnt a criticism so much as chesterton's fence: understand why it was how it was before mucking with anything [08:12] kingoffrance after that, muck away......... [08:12] schestowitz-TR gooseheaded: come back when you sober up, please [08:12] kingoffrance now they want int_256_t or whatever [08:12] gooseheaded no you... [08:13] gooseheaded i am fucking sober, more fucking "SOBER" than you... [08:13] gooseheaded actually i am entirely fucking rational and sane... [08:14] gooseheaded most have LOST THEIR FUCKING "minds" [08:14] TR News "deleting her social [control] media and wedding website accounts" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/consciousness-guilt-fatal-nyc-shove-suspect-may-face-legal-jeopardy-de-rcna21256 [08:14] TR Bot Consciousness of guilt: Fatal NYC shove suspect may face more legal jeopardy for deleting social media, experts say [08:14] TR News "What is the solution for the problem then, I asked myself? How can I get the ownership of my hardware, OS, data and apps back?" https://www.boucek.me/blog/digital-feudalism/ [08:14] TR Bot feudalism and freedom boucek.me [08:14] TR News "The death was confirmed in an obituary, which said Wilhite, one the chief architect of America Online, died March 14 just days after his 74th birthday on March 3." https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/stephen-wilhite-creator-gif-dies-74-rcna21287 [08:14] TR Bot Stephen Wilhite, creator of the GIF, dies at 74 [08:15] XRevan86 CrystalMath: "i'm not supporting the censorship part, and i never did" <- I have to say that the censorship part is pretty hard to ignore here. It's easier to say what one is allowed to speak about than what one isn't. [08:15] TR News "Stephen Wilhite, the inventor of the GIF, passed away last week from COVID at the age of 74." https://www.salon.com/2022/03/23/its-official-weve-all-been-saying-gif/ [08:15] Alternative link Cloudflare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/03/23/its-official-weve-all-been-saying-gif/ [08:15] TR Bot official. We've all been saying "GIF" wrong | Salon.com [08:15] mjg59_ Good thing no censorship occurs here [08:15] TR News "Although GIFs are synonymous with animated internet memes these days, that wasnt the reason Wilhite created the format. CompuServe introduced them in the late 1980s as a way to distribute high-quality, high-resolution graphics in color at a time when internet speeds were glacial compared to what they are today." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22992066/stephen-wilhite-gif-creator-dies [08:15] TR Bot Stephen Wilhite, creator of the GIF, has died - The Verge [08:16] mjg59_ Oh, wait [08:16] XRevan86 MinceR: I think that CrystalMath only cares if censorship happens to him, and he is in the EU, which he so much hates. [08:16] schestowitz-TR Serbia is in the EU? [08:16] *schestowitz-TR checks [08:16] XRevan86 activelow: "do you think russian military did this, shooting civilian passengers? i do not believe, yet i do not know because i hadn't been there." <- It's almost as if there is literal footage everywhere. [08:16] psydruid it isn't [08:17] XRevan86 Oh, never mind then. [08:17] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Union [08:17] TR Bot Accession of Serbia to the European Union - Wikipedia [08:17] schestowitz "On 7 November 2007, Serbia initiated a Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) with the European Union. The European Commission recommended making Serbia an official candidate on 12 October 2011. After the Council's recommendation of 28 February 2012, Serbia received full candidate status on 1 March. In December 2013, the Council of the European Union approved opening negotiations for Serbia's accession." [08:17] schestowitz Like North Macedonia, they won't lower their standards that low [08:17] schestowitz not yet [08:18] XRevan86 matey: "this is the first ive heard of rt being pro putler, i thought they were leftish (for russia i mean)" <- Uh, what? It's state TV. [08:18] TR News "NASA had originally wanted to pick two companies to develop human lunar landers for Artemis in order to inspire competition and keep down costs." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993287/nasa-second-human-lunar-lander-moon-artemis-spacex [08:18] TR Bot NASA announces plans to develop second Moon lander, alongside SpaceXs Starship - The Verge [08:19] matey XRevan86 <- maybe the fact that i only pay attention to rt when it does a tech segment, and literally ignore the rest [08:19] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: RT is like "BBC Russia" [08:20] schestowitz-TR except, afaik, RT doesn't take bribe from bill gates [08:20] schestowitz-TR ;-) [08:20] matey /me hasnt seen anything from rt in ages [08:20] mjg59_ XRevan86: rt's international agenda is largely anti US imperialism, so reads as lefty if you ignore its position on Russia [08:20] XRevan86 It takes bribes from the state. [08:20] schestowitz-TR the billBC takes money from us [08:20] matey rt's international agenda is largely anti US imperialism, so reads as lefty if you ignore its position on Russia <- which i have ignored [08:20] schestowitz-TR and also takes bribes from gates repeatedly [08:20] matey so yeah, its a very superficial take i admit [08:20] schestowitz-TR billBC is not what it was decades ago [08:21] matey but its what it looked like at first glance [08:21] schestowitz-TR and it still protects a bunch of perverts like Savile [08:21] matey It takes bribes from the state. <- i was just asking, i have no actual position on rt [08:21] matey thanks for explaining [08:21] mjg59_ schestowitz-TR: You published multiple stories that attempted to protect Jake [08:22] XRevan86 matey: That was an answer to schestowitz. [08:22] matey XRevan86: ok, i guess i found it useful too [08:22] mjg59_ schestowitz-TR: I think that undermines your (otherwise legitimate) criticism of the BBC re: Savile [08:22] TR News "UK universities compete to offer education as a service product in a market system." https://www.timeshighereducation.com/blog/false-market-degrees-ruining-higher-education [08:22] TR Bot The false market in degrees is ruining higher education | Times Higher Education (THE) [08:22] TR News RIP, Mr. GIF Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162930 [08:22] TR Bot RIP, Mr. GIF | Tux Machines [08:23] TR News IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/irc-log-230322/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/irc-log-230322/ [08:23] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 | Techrights [08:23] mjg59_ If you're going to complain about organisations protecting rapists, maybe don't publish stories protecting rapists [08:25] mjg59_ Or, at least, have the decency to remove the old stories or flag them in some way [08:26] TR News ttps://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/putins-invasion-of-ukraine-could-spark-a-global-food-crisis/ [08:27] TR News "I attended that conference session, and remember feeling comforted by the countrys investments in scientific infrastructure compared to other countries." https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-u-s-still-doesnt-know-how-to-track-a-pandemic/ [08:27] TR Bot U.S. Still Doesnt Know How To Track A Pandemic | FiveThirtyEight [08:28] mjg59_ (Roy, once again, raises an issue and then stops talking about it the moment I point out that there's hypocrisy on his part) [08:29] matey its a common pattern [08:30] matey im never going to be able to side either way on this [08:30] matey i know there are people who have been raped that will never find justice in court [08:30] matey i also know there will be people who are false accused that will never clear their name [08:30] matey asking "how are we supposed to tell which is which" sounds dickish [08:31] matey particularly when you know someone who knows someone, etc [08:31] mjg59_ matey: My partner was sexually assaulted by Jake [08:31] matey particularly when you know someone who knows someone, etc [08:31] mjg59_ Also an ex was, and also a close friend [08:32] matey so how can i ask you this question in a general, non-dickish way? [08:32] matey because tbh i dont know [08:32] matey not about your partner obviously [08:32] matey but in a broader sense that has nothing to do with the example of jake [08:32] TR News Fake cybersecurity. Proprietary mystery software. https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/22/f-secure-announces-name-corporate-business-ahead-company-split/ [08:32] TR Bot announces name of corporate business ahead of company split - SiliconANGLE [08:32] matey obviously jake would be a bad example here [08:32] TR News Proprietary https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/ex-gov-rick-snyder-4-others-charged-flint-water-crisis-must-testify [08:32] TR Bot Ex-Gov. Rick Snyder, 4 others charged in Flint water crisis must testify | Bridge Michigan [08:32] TR News "This is an overview of a series of 6 blog posts we dedicated to the analysis and decryption of Cobalt Strike traffic. We include videos for different analysis methods." https://blog.nviso.eu/2022/03/22/cobalt-strike-overview-part-7/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HelpSystems#Cobalt_Strike [08:32] mjg59_ matey: If the question is "How do I know who to believe", there's a couple of approaches [08:33] TR Bot Cobalt Strike: Overview Part 7 NVISO Labs [08:33] TR Bot HelpSystems - Wikipedia [08:34] mjg59_ matey: The first is statistical - the number of accusations that are demonstrated to be false is tiny compared to the number that are demonstrated to be true [08:34] matey that doesnt solve this problem for me [08:34] matey it simply says "the problem is unlikely" [08:34] XRevan86 "yes, well, MinceR always did that, for example with freenode and Andrew Lee" <- freenode is a fine example of CrystalMath thinking that people have an obligation to Andrew Lee, and that being anti-censorship means supporting a hypocrite. [08:34] mjg59_ matey: The second is more game theoretical - what do the people making accusations gain compared to what they stand to lose? [08:35] matey mjg: in both approaches, we are throwing out the idea of innocent until proven guilty [08:35] matey for petty theft and murder, we have innocent until proven guilty [08:35] matey but for rape we get the opposite [08:35] mjg59_ matey: No! "Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals [08:35] matey im not entirely comfortable with that. i can see the gains it promises of course [08:35] *schestowitz-TR kindly reminds mjg59_ he was muted for changing the subject of this channel to SEX and then using the resultant mess to defame us in Twitter, making slanderous accusations about where we stand on issues [08:35] XRevan86 matey: "any idea if alpine can be compiled with tinycc?" <- tinycc is not feature complete to compile anything of that complexity. [08:36] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/okta-knew-about-breach-in-january,-kept-mum-until-lapsus$-post.html [08:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/okta-knew-about-breach-in-january,-kept-mum-until-lapsus$-post.html [08:36] TR Bot - Okta knew about breach in January, kept mum until Lapsus$ post [08:36] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/microsoft-accepts-cybercriminal-group-lapsus-hacked-its-data/90411638 [08:36] TR Bot microsoft news: Microsoft accepts cybercriminal group Lapsus$ hacked its data, CIO News, ET CIO [08:36] matey "Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals <- if we are doling out consequences it seems like a principle worth considering [08:36] mjg59_ matey: eg, OJ Simpson was found innocent - the state failed to prove its case, mostly due to the police being racist. But that doesn't mean I'd trust him with a knife. [08:36] matey if we are terminating employment and destroying someones reputation [08:37] matey simpson is a good example-- it seems pretty obvious he was guilty [08:37] matey given the evidence [08:37] matey so the verdict was useless [08:37] matey bu the process was not [08:37] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: https://siliconangle.com/2022/03/22/reports-okta-microsoft-breached-lapsus-hacking-group/ marketing LIE: "Microsoft, for example, spends about $1 billion every year on protecting its network" [08:37] TR Bot and Microsoft breached by Lapsus$ hacking group - SiliconANGLE [08:37] matey and i wouldnt trust him either [08:37] mjg59_ schestowitz-TR: techrights.org contains multiple articles defending a rapist. You didn't write them, but you chose to publish them. The fact that they're on techrights.org strongly implies that they're on topic. [08:37] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993731/lapsus-hacking-group-teenager-mastermind [08:37] TR Bot A teen is reportedly the mastermind behind the Lapsus$ hacking group - The Verge [08:38] mjg59_ matey: Ok, so that already implies that "innocent until proven guilty" isn't something that binds individuals [08:38] matey binds, no [08:38] matey but hopefully has some relevance, even if its not binding [08:38] mjg59_ Simpson acted in Hollywood movies before that trial, and didn't afterwards [08:38] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599418-microsoft-confirms-breach-by-lapsus-hacker-group "Microsoft said in the post that Lapsus$, also known as DEV-0537, had breached one account, resulting in limited access but not to the data of any of the tech giants customers." [08:38] TR Bot confirms breach by Lapsus$ hacker group | TheHill [08:38] matey there was no longer a market for his work [08:38] matey but again, he went to trial [08:39] mjg59_ matey: A trial where he was found innocent [08:39] matey i think he was even found guilty in the second trial [08:39] mjg59_ There was a civil case [08:39] mjg59_ Not a criminal one [08:39] matey but theres a lower threshold for proof in a civil case [08:39] mjg59_ Yeah [08:39] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/adelstein-departing-wia-ransomware-still-ongoing-threat-uscellular-new-board-nominees/ see http://techrights.org/2021/05/02/ransomware-task-force/ [08:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/adelstein-departing-wia-ransomware-still-ongoing-threat-uscellular-new-board-nominees/ [08:39] TR Bot Adelstein Departing WIA, Ransomware Still 'Ongoing Threat,' USCellular New Board Nominees : Broadband Breakfast [08:39] TR Bot Microsoft-Centric Ransomware Task Force | Techrights [08:40] matey maybe we should have a different question entirely [08:40] mjg59_ matey: So what's the threshold? Being found not guilty in a court seems like it should be something that means consequences go away if we think of "Innocent until proven guility" [08:40] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/ransomware-incidents-in-us-much-higher-than-number-reported-claim.html it's killing lots of people http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ [08:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/ransomware-incidents-in-us-much-higher-than-number-reported-claim.html [08:40] matey what should be done about jake? [08:40] TR Bot - Ransomware incidents in US much higher than number reported: claim [08:40] TR Bot Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [08:40] matey matey: So what's the threshold? <- but this is basically what im asking you [08:40] mjg59_ Jake has been excluded from spaces where he could cause further harm [08:40] mjg59_ He's been allowed to continue living his life otherwise [08:40] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599362-fbi-concerned-about-possible-russian-cyberattacks-on-critical http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/ [08:40] TR Bot 'concerned' about possible Russian cyberattacks on critical infrastructure | TheHill [08:40] TR Bot Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights [08:40] mjg59_ The consequences are fare less meaningful than if he'd been found guilty and imprisoned [08:41] matey what about his contritbutions to research and software? are those still possible? [08:41] mjg59_ So, (1) his contributions mostly consist of him rephrasing other people's work, he can't actually code for shit, and (2) yes, he can still write stuff, and other people can make use of that if they want to [08:42] kingoffrance "No! "Innocent until proven guilty" is something that applies to the state, not to individuals" well, thats why i pointed out state was "by of for the people" previously. [08:42] kingoffrance confusion of tongues [08:42] kingoffrance not saying it *is* that, just that was the theory [08:43] mjg59_ Free software doesn't mean everyone has the right to have their patches merged [08:43] matey thank god [08:43] TR News WWW = clusterf*** https://www.techzim.co.zw/2022/03/scammers-fake-browser-windows-including-url-protect-against-that/ [08:43] matey i dont want everyone to have root [08:43] mjg59_ But free software means anyone can write patches and someone else can make use of that if they want to [08:43] TR Bot Scammers can now convincingly fake browser windows, including URL. You can protect against that - Techzim [08:43] mjg59_ Jake's not prevented from forking tor and writing his own code there [08:44] mjg59_ And anyone would then be able to pick up his code and make use of it if they wanted [08:44] matey your confident his contributions to tor were non-vital? [08:44] mjg59_ Yup [08:44] matey And anyone would then be able to pick up his code and make use of it if they wanted <- this is probably sufficient [08:44] mjg59_ Look at git - he really doesn't have that many commits [08:44] matey if its possible to sponsor his patches, that would likely satisfy me, if i held any authority in the tor project [08:44] TR News Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Scythe https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/scythe [08:44] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Scythe [08:45] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [08:45] matey and you say its possible, so... [08:45] matey im speaking hypothetically [08:45] matey i dont know of anything being left out because of this in terms of useful patches [08:45] mjg59_ Hey, regardless of my feelings, if Jake wrote something useful I would attempt to incorporate that concept if not literally that code [08:46] matey presumably, and this is speculation [08:46] matey the reason pocock wanted to write that about jake was [08:46] matey to show that people are being censored, like he is [08:47] matey if so, maybe not the best example [08:47] matey not one likely to gain a lot of sympathy i mean [08:47] mjg59_ Pocock's a piece of shit, but I don't have any reason to believe he's anywhere near as bad as Jake [08:47] TR News "Tor Browser 11.5a8 is now available from the Tor Browser download page and also from our distribution directory." https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-115a8/ [08:47] TR Bot New Alpha Release: Tor Browser 11.5a8 (Windows/macOS/Linux) | The Tor Project [08:48] mjg59_ Pocock has used other people's names and email addresses to send mail to mailing lists [08:48] TR News Microsoft issues https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/03/a-closer-look-at-the-lapsus-data-extortion-group/ [08:48] TR Bot A Closer Look at the LAPSUS$ Data Extortion Group Krebs on Security [08:48] mjg59_ But as far as I know he hasn't raped anyone [08:49] TR News Putler justifies his name https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/holocaust-survivor-killed-by-russian-shelling-in-kharkiv [08:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/holocaust-survivor-killed-by-russian-shelling-in-kharkiv [08:49] TR Bot NO TITLE [08:50] TR News Like in the days of the Berlin Wall and Korean DMZ, people would rather be dead than live under Putler https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/i-d-rather-lose-my-life-than-my-freedom [08:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/23/i-d-rather-lose-my-life-than-my-freedom [08:50] TR Bot NO TITLE [08:50] mjg59_ matey: But yes, I agree with you - Pocock wants to make a case that Debian unjustly excludes people, and wants to try to prove Jake was unjustly excluded to make people think he was unjustly excluded [08:51] matey even if they do unjustly exclude people [08:52] matey that doesnt preclude the obvious possibility that some people are justly excluded [08:52] schestowitz https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/03/15/2028231/debian-developer-demoted-quits-after-two-decades-with-project [08:52] Alternative link Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/03/15/2028231/debian-developer-demoted-quits-after-two-decades-with-project [08:52] TR Bot Debian Developer Demoted, Quits After Two Decades With Project - Slashdot [08:53] schestowitz Only the political side of Debian is, unfortunately, creating such a toxic atmosphere. [08:53] schestowitz https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html [08:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/open-source/debian-developer-demoted,-quits-after-two-decades-with-project.html [08:53] kingoffrance minor point, i dont have anything to add, just: everything is a file versus universal resource locators. just to say: noone agrees there either, on how to "name" "files" [08:53] TR Bot - Debian developer demoted, quits after two decades with project [08:53] kingoffrance *uniform [08:54] TR News ICBM has outsourced this to PROPRIETARY software https://fossforce.com/2022/03/fedora-plans-to-party-for-36-like-its-2022/ [08:54] TR Bot Fedora Plans to Party for 36 Like It's 2022! - FOSS Force [08:55] mjg59_ schestowitz: Not sure what point you're trying to make here [08:55] TR News They talk about "Open Source", so you know they mean openwashing rather than freedom https://fossforce.com/2022/03/free-online-open-source-101-on-tuesday-in-person-meetup-in-april/ [08:55] TR Bot Free & Online: Open Source 101 Online on Tuesday - FOSS Force [08:55] matey as i understand it, or misunderstand it, the accusation made against preining is harassment, not rape [08:56] mjg59_ Yeah [08:56] matey and its a long term pattern of it? [08:56] mjg59_ There were a bunch of things (including him engaging in misgendering) and the internal processes that attempted to resolve that didn't end up with a good conclusion [08:57] matey and after all that he wasnt forced out but actually quit [08:57] mjg59_ Right [08:57] mjg59_ He could have continued to maintain the packages he maintained [08:57] matey but he was no longer a manager [08:57] matey only a developer [08:57] mjg59_ He was a developer, he'd have been a maintainer [08:58] mjg59_ Developers can basically upload anything, maintainers can only touch packages they're in charge of [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 41.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 265.60 ● Mar 24 [09:00] *gooseheaded has quit (connection closed) [09:01] *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@sy7ss5msyeqgk.irc) has joined #techrights [09:02] *gooseheaded has quit (connection closed) [09:04] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@q63fhesnpxtc8.irc) has joined #techrights [09:06] *alextee (~alextee@s3zbvv74fy5e6.irc) has joined #techrights [09:08] TR News "[Tom], of the YouTube channel ThingsTomLike, found a very sweet little mechanical Pong clone at a thrift store. It came in broken" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/23/old-school-mechanical-pong-still-amazes/ [09:08] TR Bot School Mechanical Pong Still Amazes | Hackaday [09:09] TR News "On Tuesday, the European Parliaments (EU) Special Committee on Artificial Intelligence in a Digital Age (AIDA) adopted its final recommendations for a Roadmap, laying the groundwork through 2030" https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/23/cc-welcomes-adoption-of-aida/ buzzwords swallowed http://techrights.org/2022/01/11/buzzwords-from-brussels/ [09:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/23/cc-welcomes-adoption-of-aida/ [09:09] TR Bot CC welcomes adoption of AIDA - Creative Commons [09:09] TR Bot A Soup of Buzzwords From Brussels (the European Commission) | Techrights [09:12] TR News "Im a bit tired of blogging about nothing but COVID-19; so I thought Id take some time to dunk on a 7 hoop and look at homeopathy." https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/23/why-are-so-many-clinical-trials-of-homeopathy-positive/ [09:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: respectfulinsolence.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/23/why-are-so-many-clinical-trials-of-homeopathy-positive/ [09:12] TR Bot Why are so many clinical trials of homeopathy "positive"? - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE [09:13] matey mjg59_ youll mention, i hope, when your legal action against someone here has concluded [09:13] matey i dont expect either of you to discuss while its still ongoing [09:13] TR News "Four individuals connected to the illegal streaming of copyrighted content have been handed prison sentences in the UK totaling more than 10 years" https://torrentfreak.com/illegal-iptv-streams-four-receive-prison-sentences-totaling-10-years-220323/ [09:13] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/illegal-iptv-streams-four-receive-prison-sentences-totaling-10-years-220323/ [09:13] TR Bot IPTV Streaming: Four Receive Prison Sentences Totaling 10+ Years * TorrentFreak [09:13] TR News "Infamous Russian torrent site RuTracker is one of many pirate sites that are permanently blocked by the Russian authorities for failing to remove copyrighted content" https://torrentfreak.com/rutracker-found-itself-unblocked-in-russia-so-immediately-blocked-itself-220323/ [09:13] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/rutracker-found-itself-unblocked-in-russia-so-immediately-blocked-itself-220323/ [09:13] TR Bot Found Itself Unblocked in Russia So Immediately Blocked Itself * TorrentFreak [09:15] TR News SoylentNews helps Microsoft post spam. This is MICROSOFT PULLING FINLAND. Then greenwashing it. https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/03/21/1538236 Zemlin and his frauds do the same http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/ [09:15] TR Bot Waste Heat From Microsoft Servers to Warm Residents in Southern Finland - SoylentNews [09:15] TR Bot Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights [09:16] mjg59_ matey: At the point where I should say anything, I'll do so [09:16] matey /me nods [09:16] TR News What a world; people who expose crimes can only marry behind bars. For EXPOSING crimes. https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/7671223/wikileaks-assange-to-marry-in-uk-jail/?cs=14264 [09:16] TR Bot WikiLeaks' Assange to marry in UK jail [09:16] TR News "Imagine you have the following EcmaScript module you want to unit test..." https://ar.al/2022/03/23/using-bound-functions-to-unit-test-ecmascript-modules/ [09:16] TR Bot Using bound functions to unit test EcmaScript Modules Aral Balkan [09:17] mjg59_ Again with defending the rapists [09:22] TR News "The lawyers who were following this at the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), were predicting that Donald Trump would prosecute journalists." http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/in-edicola/articoli/2022/03/22/daniel-ellsberg-it-is-outrageous-that-biden-has-continued-to-pursue-julian-assanges-prosecution/6533299/ [09:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: ilfattoquotidiano.it | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/in-edicola/articoli/2022/03/22/daniel-ellsberg-it-is-outrageous-that-biden-has-continued-to-pursue-julian-assanges-prosecution/6533299/ [09:22] TR Bot Daniel Ellsberg: "It is outrageous that Biden has continued to pursue Julian Assange's prosecution" - Il Fatto Quotidiano [09:22] TR News Media is collapsing while they attack Wikileaks, too https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/business/media/buzzfeed-news-editors-newsroom-cuts.html [09:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/22/business/media/buzzfeed-news-editors-newsroom-cuts.html [09:22] TR Bot BuzzFeed News Top Editor Mark Schoofs to Leave Ahead of Newsroom Cuts - The New York Times [09:23] TR News "The independent publication Meduza is no longer easily accessible in Russia. 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And now Assange sits in a gulag awaiting a terrible fate of extradition to the US." https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/23/they-just-want-the-bombs-to-stop-falling/ [09:25] Alternative link Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/23/they-just-want-the-bombs-to-stop-falling/ [09:25] TR Bot Just Want the Bombs to Stop Falling - CounterPunch.org [09:25] mjg59_ Reminder that Chelsea only ended up in jail because Assange was fucking incompetent [09:27] TR News Canada truck blockades spread to more countries https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/truckers-block-highways-to-protest-insecurity-tolls-and-fuel-prices/ [09:27] Alternative link Cloudflare: mexiconewsdaily.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/truckers-block-highways-to-protest-insecurity-tolls-and-fuel-prices/ [09:27] TR Bot Truckers block highways to protest insecurity, tolls and fuel prices [09:27] matey Reminder that Chelsea only ended up in jail because Assange was fucking incompetent <- first ive heard this [09:28] matey i presume that chelsea remains pro-assange though [09:29] mjg59_ Haha no [09:29] TR News OSI and surveillance https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/comcast-commits-open-source http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/ [09:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: fiercetelecom.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.fiercetelecom.com/broadband/comcast-commits-open-source [09:29] TR Bot Comcast shares its code to boost open source security | Fierce Telecom [09:29] TR Bot Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights [09:29] mjg59_ She's not going to snitch on him [09:29] mjg59_ But she is not in favour of him [09:30] mjg59_ So full marks on following through on principles [09:30] matey how did his incompetence lead to her imprisonment? [09:31] mjg59_ I'm going to handwave a bit here because there's various stuff that isn't public [09:31] TR News Teaching kids code, not GUI (nonsense, training) https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/code-club-wales-translations-codealong/ [09:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/code-club-wales-translations-codealong/ [09:31] TR Bot Code Club in Wales with translations, teacher training and a country-wide codealong - Raspberry Pi [09:31] matey thats fine [09:32] mjg59_ And also this is my understanding of things, so it may be contradicted by other facts at some point [09:32] matey noted [09:33] TR News "The health data of almost 50 million Americans was breached last year, according to a Politico analysis of data from the Department of Health and Human Services" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/599430-sensitive-health-data-of-50-million-americans-hacked-or-breached-last [09:33] TR Bot health data of 50 million Americans hacked or breached last year: analysis | TheHill [09:33] mjg59_ But: while the proximal cause is that Lamo was a piece of shit, the US was primarily interested in drawing an association with Assange, and while Assange refused to comment there had been enough evidence left behind other than Chelsea's own admissions that left space to bring him into it [09:34] TR News Israel is making itself synonymous with war, malware, and other illegal software. Then it'll cry "antisemitism" https://edri.org/our-work/italian-dpa-fines-clearview-ai-for-illegally-monitoring-and-processing-biometric-data-of-italian-citizens/ [09:34] TR Bot Italian DPA fines Clearview AI for illegally monitoring and processing biometric data of Italian citizens - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [09:34] mjg59_ And he didn't do anything to disabuse the US of this belief [09:34] TR News "And thats the essence of end-to-end encryption: no-one but the sender and the intended receiver can read the message. Of course, you may haggle over the details." https://edri.org/our-work/the-european-commission-might-put-a-stop-to-end-to-end-encryption/ [09:34] TR Bot The European Commission might put a stop to end-to-end encryption - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [09:34] matey so in other words [09:35] TR News Surveillance galore https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993459/zoom-twitch-stream-button-integration [09:35] TR Bot Zoom is making it easy to plug your meeting directly into Twitch - The Verge [09:35] matey he refused to comment and he refused to protect the anonymity of the people who provided tips to him [09:35] matey or at least, failed ot [09:36] TR News "Breaking Defense: Lets set the scene. What is the steady state right now in cryptographic solutions? Where is modernization needed?" https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/modernization-of-crypto-isnt-the-core-mission-for-dod-and-the-ic-its-what-enables-the-mission/ [09:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: breakingdefense.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://breakingdefense.com/2022/03/modernization-of-crypto-isnt-the-core-mission-for-dod-and-the-ic-its-what-enables-the-mission/ [09:36] TR Bot Modernization of crypto isnt the core mission for DoD and the IC, its what enables the mission - Breaking Defense Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary [09:36] mjg59_ My understanding is that he refused to assert that Chelsea was not the source [09:36] matey you consider that incompetence? im not saying it isnt [09:37] mjg59_ Oh that bit I don't consider incompetence - I think the incompetence is in failing to teach your sources how to protect themselves [09:37] mjg59_ Same as I think The Intercept were incompetent in handling Reality Winner [09:37] mjg59_ Or, rather, it's the totality of it [09:38] mjg59_ Don't ask people to leak stuff to you unless you can ensure they're protected [09:38] mjg59_ And if you fail at that, throw yourself under the bus rather than implicate them [09:38] matey right [09:39] mjg59_ I think Assange failed at that, and I think The Intercept failed at that [09:39] schestowitz-TR says someone who never protected a source [09:40] matey its a reasonable principle [09:40] TR News It feels like Putin is still in control of the EU https://www.voanews.com/a/putin-tells-europe-to-pay-for-natural-gas-in-rubles/6498771.html [09:40] TR Bot Putin Tells Europe to Pay for Natural Gas in Rubles [09:40] matey taking reponsibility for the people that inform you [09:41] TR News Fall of an empire https://www.defenceweb.co.za/security/maritime-security/us-general-says-china-is-seeking-a-naval-base-in-west-africa/ [09:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: defenceweb.co.za | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.defenceweb.co.za/security/maritime-security/us-general-says-china-is-seeking-a-naval-base-in-west-africa/ [09:41] TR Bot US general says China is seeking a naval base in West Africa - defenceWeb [09:42] matey honestly, if what mjg is saying about assange is true [09:42] mjg59_ schestowitz: There's more than one case where you've quoted an anonyomous source with enough information that it's easy to work out who they were, so I wouldn't go too hard on that point (I promise I won't decloak anyone, I'm not a piece of shit) [09:42] matey theres absolutely nothing wrong with the argument about taking responbility [09:42] matey the only possible hole i can find in it is that its not true [09:42] matey the principle is sound enough [09:43] schestowitz-TR it's a lie [09:43] mjg59_ What's a lie? [09:43] schestowitz-TR mjg59_: just defames everyone [09:43] schestowitz-TR he lives in a fantasy world [09:43] mjg59_ What, specifically, is a lie [09:43] matey mjg59_: just defames everyone <- i can see the logic here, actually [09:44] TR News Maybe we can learn to drink ewaste then... https://today.rtl.lu/news/luxembourg/a/1885896.html [09:44] TR Bot RTL Today - Pollution in Luxembourg: Around 100 groundwater resources currently unusable [09:44] matey he defamed stallman (imo) therefore any other accusation he makes is false [09:44] matey thats certainly worth considering [09:44] matey it isnt necessarily true, but its possible [09:44] mjg59_ Oh yeah please do critically analyse my claims [09:45] mjg59_ But also please critically analyse Roy's [09:45] matey well there you can count on me [09:45] mjg59_ In this case he's asserting that I'm lying without even saying what I'm lying about [09:45] matey because i could make a comment about roys protection of sources [09:45] TR News "failure to act on climate change was a violation of their rights to life as young people." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/radical-climate-action [09:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: teenvogue.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.teenvogue.com/story/radical-climate-action [09:45] TR Bot Radical Climate Action: From Hunger Strikes to Lawsuits to Community Care | Teen Vogue [09:45] matey but im withholding it [09:45] matey at any rate [09:46] TR News "The vehicle will not operate at ambient temperatures below -4F (-20C). Give me a break. This is Canada. We go months below -20C." https://mrpogson.com/2022/03/22/solo-ev-update/ [09:46] TR Bot Solo EV Update | Robert Pogson [09:46] matey even if you WERE making up assanges fault here [09:46] matey the principle you describe about protecting sources [09:46] matey is still reasonable [09:46] matey making up, even mistaken [09:46] mjg59_ I think roy mischaracterises a lot of things, but I also think that's his honest belief [09:47] mjg59_ There are some cases where he says actually untrue stuff even after he's been corrected [09:47] mjg59_ But for the most part, it's his genuine interpretation of the facts [09:48] mjg59_ Any time I accuse him of lying, I'll describe the precise statement that I believe to be untrue and provide evidence for that [09:48] mjg59_ Please do hold me to that standard [09:49] mjg59_ But in return, please hold him to the same standard [09:49] TR News "Nevermind accounting for the world's tomfoolery as part of this burnout. The world has repeatedly set its own yard on fire lately and I'm not about to peek through my blinds, per se, and watch the show." gemini://soviet.circumlunar.space/wholesomedonut/gemlog/20220324.gmi [09:50] matey But in return, please hold him to the same standard <- if it were possible to do so [09:50] mjg59_ Anyway for context I've hung out with Chelsea at her birthday party before the pandemic [09:50] matey im jealous [09:50] matey id love to meet her [09:50] mjg59_ And she followes me on Twitter [09:50] matey interesting [09:51] mjg59_ Which, uh, crap, Elon's ex's girlfriend follows me on Tiwtter [09:51] matey ex gf? [09:51] TR News "Gulag is introducing a pilot to let a small number of participating developers offer a payment system in addition to Gulag Ploys." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993417/google-pilot-test-android-alternate-billing-systems-spotify [09:51] TR Bot Google will test letting Android developers use their own billing systems - The Verge [09:51] mjg59_ Grimes is dating Chelsea, apparently [09:51] matey wow [09:51] matey thats a cute couple [09:51] TR News "Users who download the Spotify app from the Gulag Ploy Play store will soon be able to decide whether to subscribe to the audio streaming service using Gulag Ploy" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/google-spotify-android-payment-1235117575/ [09:51] Alternative link Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/google-spotify-android-payment-1235117575/ [09:51] TR Bot Google to Add Spotify Payment Option on Android Version of Audio App The Hollywood Reporter [09:53] mjg59_ Explains a lot about Grimes walking around with Das Kapital [09:53] matey is chelsea a marxist? [09:54] mjg59_ Honestly can't say anything about her political beliefs tbh [09:54] matey fair enough [09:54] matey when you said explains a lot [09:54] matey i thought you meant you understood a connection there [09:54] mjg59_ Oh it just seems compatible with her sense of humour [09:55] matey ah ok [09:55] matey what do you think of someone musks age dating someone as young as grimes [09:55] matey granted i think shes either 30 or close to it by now [09:56] matey but i was thinking 25 [09:56] mjg59_ Eh it's a 15 year or so difference and I think I trust her to make good decisions there? [09:57] TR News "Facebook's attacks were truly shameless." https://pluralistic.net/2022/03/23/false-genocide-negative/#metacrap [09:57] TR Bot Pluralistic: 23 Mar 2022 Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [09:57] matey yeah [09:57] matey she looks younger than [09:57] matey shes 33 [09:57] matey thats not such a big deal [09:57] TR News "The forthcoming Artificial Intelligence Act (AI Act) is one step closer to its adoption." https://www.kolaja.eu/en/post/20220322-russia_demonstrates_how_ai_can_be_abused_three_significant_gaps_in_the_ai_act/ [09:57] TR Bot Russia demonstrates how AI can be abused - Marcel Kolaja [09:57] matey i used to think she was like 20 [09:58] TR News "The materials sent to the printers in Russia include a message telling citizens that President Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin, and Russian media have been lying to them about the invasion." https://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacks-russian-printers-deliver-resistance-information-1690269 [09:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: newsweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newsweek.com/anonymous-hacks-russian-printers-deliver-resistance-information-1690269 [09:58] TR Bot Anonymous Hacks Into Russian Printers to Deliver Resistance Information [09:58] mjg59_ There's some truth to the predatory men on younger women thing, but there's also a degree to which that removes their agency [09:59] mjg59_ She had her own indepenent thing going on so I don't see it as him imposing himself on her [09:59] matey but there's also a degree to which that removes their agency <- yeah [09:59] *psydroid8 has quit (Quit: Quit) ● Mar 24 [10:00] matey theres a tendency to infantilise grown women regarding certain decisions [10:00] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [10:00] matey which begs the question at what age are they capable of living their own lives [10:00] TR News "What Russia is doing is unacceptable." https://edri.org/our-work/propaganda-cannot-be-silenced-with-censorship-freedom-of-expression-can/ [10:00] TR Bot Propaganda cannot be silenced with censorship, freedom of expression can - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [10:00] matey if not 18 [10:01] TR News China handling Tibet https://www.rfa.org/english/news/tibet/writer-03222022121939.html [10:01] TR Bot Tibetan writer released from prison in China after serving 13 years Radio Free Asia [10:01] matey i also didnt know until recently that musk was the richest person in the world? [10:01] matey i thought it was bezos? [10:01] mjg59_ We impose legal boundaries on things because things are fuzzy [10:01] matey i didnt even know musk was in the top 10 [10:02] mjg59_ Not everyone has the same response to alcohol, but we have absolute drink-drive limits anyway [10:02] matey yeah [10:02] matey it cuts down at least, on people doing dumb and lethal things [10:02] mjg59_ His net worth is based on valuations he can't realistically liquidate at that value, but he's still fucking rich [10:02] matey sure i mean, at that level of rich its impossible to do the math probably [10:03] matey theres a degree of speculation [10:03] matey and estimation [10:03] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@g9kyq735chi92.irc) has joined #techrights [10:04] mjg59_ schestowitz: You still haven't explained what I said that was a lie [10:04] DaemonFC Not everyone has the same response to alcohol, but we have absolute drink-drive limits anyway [10:05] DaemonFC And then Democrat judges to go "OK Mr. Smith, I see you're on your 6th DUI so pay a fine and do 3 days in the jail. NEXT!". [10:05] DaemonFC "Oh Mr. Brown, you recorded children using the toilet at the Marathon station? Two months county! NEXT!" [10:05] TR News "They were taken into custody because of some songs they sang" https://anfenglishmobile.com/culture/one-artist-detained-after-aydin-newroz-5-released-on-judicial-control-58819 [10:05] Alternative link Cloudflare: anfenglishmobile.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://anfenglishmobile.com/culture/one-artist-detained-after-aydin-newroz-5-released-on-judicial-control-58819 [10:05] TR Bot ANF | One artist detained after Aydn Newroz, 5 released on judicial control [10:06] mjg59_ matey: Anyway to your point I have many reasons to dislike ElMu but I don't think his relationship was inherently bad [10:06] DaemonFC They probably can't stop Ketanji Brown Jackson from being on the Supreme Court, but they did give her a pretty good grilling yesterday. [10:07] mjg59_ But I do think Assange failed to support his sources in ways that hurt them [10:07] DaemonFC Including for being soft on child molesters. [10:07] TR News If you oppose tyrants, do not buy Apple https://citizenlab.ca/2022/03/engrave-condition-apples-political-censorship-leaves-taiwan-remains-in-hong-kong/ [10:07] TR Bot Engrave Condition: Apples Political Censorship Leaves Taiwan, Remains in Hong Kong - The Citizen Lab [10:08] TR News Russian police arrest man for holding up blank sheet of paper https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/russian-police-arrest-man-for-holding-up-blank-sheet-of-paper-1.4826435 [10:08] TR Bot Russian police arrest man for holding up blank sheet of paper [10:09] TR News "Taliban intelligence men arrested three staff members of TOLO TV, one of Afghanistan's largest television stations, a channel executive said Friday." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-journalists-detention-censorship/ [10:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: cbsnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-journalists-detention-censorship/ [10:09] TR Bot Taliban detains journalists over report on censoring of TV shows - CBS News [10:09] *psydroid8 has quit (Quit: Quit) [10:10] DaemonFC Laws don't cut down on crime very much. [10:10] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [10:10] DaemonFC People who are prone to doing them in the first place aren't sitting down reading law books, and it's obvious they're losers. [10:10] TR News "The UK governments much anticipated online safety bill has now been released. The bill seeks to impose a duty of care on companies, such as social [control] media platforms" https://theconversation.com/online-safety-bill-ambiguous-definitions-of-harm-could-threaten-freedom-of-speech-instead-of-protecting-it-179514 [10:10] TR Bot Online safety bill: ambiguous definitions of harm could threaten freedom of speech instead of protecting it [10:11] *psydroid9 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [10:11] DaemonFC Even when they benefit from black privilege in court and have the judge cut them loose on promise to appear on murder charges... [10:11] *psydroid8 has quit (connection closed) [10:11] DaemonFC They go an commit a string of armed robberies next county over while they're awaiting the murder trial. [10:11] mjg59_ Again, just going to point out https://stallman.org/articles/witch-hunt.html that argues distributing is fine as long as you didn't make it [10:11] TR Bot Suggestion to the target of a witch hunt [10:11] DaemonFC Like, what did the judge think would happen? Honestly? [10:11] TR News "During Cruz's tense exchange with Jackson, where he listed books he claimed were teaching CRT, he pulled out a copy of sociology professor Alex Vitales The End of Policing." https://www.teenvogue.com/story/ted-cruz-end-of-policing [10:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: teenvogue.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.teenvogue.com/story/ted-cruz-end-of-policing [10:11] TR Bot Ketanji Brown Jackson Hearing Ted Cruz Makes 'The End of Policing' Book a Best Seller | Teen Vogue [10:12] DaemonFC It's a good thing that she won't be in the majority. [10:12] DaemonFC It's a bad thing she could even be on the court at all. [10:12] DaemonFC She doesn't deserve to be. [10:12] TR News Politicians think everyone is a pedophile https://edri.org/our-work/private-communications-are-a-cornerstone-of-democratic-society-and-must-be-protected-in-online-csam-legislation/ [10:12] TR Bot Private communications are a cornerstone of democratic society and must be protected in online CSAM legislation - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [10:12] DaemonFC She'll replace Clarence Thomas as the most foul thing on the Supreme Court, amazingly. [10:12] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Do you disagree with rms on this point? [10:13] DaemonFC We'll have one black Nazi and one Burn Loot Murder judge. Christ! [10:13] DaemonFC They got the worst of both possibilities, didn't they? [10:13] matey just going to point out https://stallman.org/articles/witch-hunt.html that argues distributing is fine as long as you didn't make it <- thats not his actual argument [10:14] DaemonFC "Imaginary children can't be hurt by drawing them." [10:14] mjg59_ matey: He says "I don't think it is wrong to distribute "child porn" images" [10:14] DaemonFC That part is settled law. The US Supreme Court struck down the Child Online Protection Act as being unconstitutionally vague. [10:15] DaemonFC The sentence of the only person convicted of it was overturned. [10:15] schestowitz-TR I can see where the troll is taking the channel [10:15] mjg59_ matey: He agrees that making them is wrong, and you might want to boycott them to show that you don't support making them, but he doesn't assert that it's /wrong/ [10:15] matey his argument is made in an incredibly undiplomatic way, for reasons that should be obvious (i consider it unfortunate) [10:16] DaemonFC Every state has an age of consent law. [10:16] DaemonFC And none of them seem to be too ridiculous. [10:16] matey but your representation of his argument (in fairness you cited it at least) is a fairly poor representation [10:16] matey not, i would add, COMPLETELY poor [10:16] DaemonFC It should be up to states as to what the community wants to do about such things. [10:16] DaemonFC Not the federal government. [10:16] TR News "Promoting Human Rights in the Digital Era." https://edri.org/our-work/promoting-human-rights-in-the-digital-era/ [10:16] TR Bot Promoting human rights in the digital era - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [10:16] matey but at least it makes it sound worse than what hes saying [10:16] matey most importantly, he doesnt say its "fine" [10:17] DaemonFC The federal government actually shouldn't be allowed to legislate at all on most things. [10:17] matey he says For the sake of opposing sexual abuse of real children, I suggest that you boycott the images" [10:17] DaemonFC But that's its own issue. [10:17] TR News "Showing videos of POWs, regardless of the content or under what conditions it is obtained, is a violation of international law, experts say." https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2022/03/22/posting-pow-footage-on-social-media-may-constitute-human-rights-violation/ [10:17] TR Bot Posting POW footage on social media may constitute human rights violation [10:17] mjg59_ matey: My interpretation is (and this is an interpretation, not a quote) "It is not wrong to distribute child porn, but it's better not to because you reduce harm if there's less demand" [10:18] DaemonFC I don't get how like, the age of consent can be 16. But if they want to be in porn, they can't be. [10:18] matey right, if you had said that, instead of saying he said its "fine" i wouldnt be correcting anything [10:18] DaemonFC Some have produced counterfeit driver's licenses and sneaked in and the world never ended and they're just fine now. [10:18] TR News Internet dying in a certain sense (yes, ALREADY) https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-splinternet-and-why-you-should-be-paying-attention/ [10:18] Alternative link Cloudflare: internetsociety.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2022/03/what-is-the-splinternet-and-why-you-should-be-paying-attention/ [10:18] TR Bot What Is the Splinternet? And Why You Should Be Paying Attention [10:18] mjg59_ matey: Ok, apologies for potentially misrepresenting that [10:19] matey at any rate, he was playing with fire the way he did word it [10:19] DaemonFC But Stallman doesn't specify what "children" means, so that's really disturbing. [10:19] matey legal minors? [10:19] matey what other definition would be relevant? [10:19] matey i dont define computers when i talk about them [10:19] mjg59_ matey: My interpretation is still pretty much "You shouldn't feel bad for looking at child porn, but it would be better if you didn't" [10:19] DaemonFC I don't think there should be a mismatch in the legal age for porn and the age of consent in a state. [10:20] DaemonFC But I think it should be up to each state to decide what the uniform law is for both. The federal government should be restrained, by constitutional amendments, until it can't dictate our lives anymore. [10:20] mjg59_ matey: I think we can justifiably quibble over whether my use of "fine" was accurate, but there's still some sort of distinction drawn there [10:20] matey DaemonFC in the uk there was a mismate in age of consent for gays and heterosexuals [10:20] TR News Digital Restrictions (DRM): "HBO Max said the button is one of its most requested features. Streaming rivals like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu, among others, have similarly experimented with shuffle functions on their apps" https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/23/22993709/hbo-max-shuffle-button-curb-your-enthusiasm-friends-south-park [10:20] DaemonFC When they passed the law requiring people to pay for junk health insurance, it didn't improve their lives. [10:20] TR Bot HBO Max adds a shuffle button to help you find something to watch - The Verge [10:21] matey matey: I think we can justifiably quibble over whether my use of "fine" was accurate <- that was my only quibble [10:21] DaemonFC If it was a great product at a good price, they would have bought it already. The fine was there as punishment for not paying for a lousy product that cost too much money. [10:21] TR News Digital Restrictions (DRM) empire looking for revenue streams. At whose expense? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/netflix-password-sharing-fees-1235116696/ [10:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/netflix-password-sharing-fees-1235116696/ [10:21] TR Bot Netflix Password Sharing Update: Will the Streamers New Test Work? The Hollywood Reporter [10:21] mjg59_ matey: Ugh I grew up in Northern Ireland and that was only fixed there in 2009 [10:22] mjg59_ matey: There's a shitload of prejudice around the world, even in countries you believe are past that [10:22] matey #techrights : 03/24/22 10:21 matey: Ugh I grew up in <- one of my favoute places on earth [10:22] matey /me blames mouse [10:22] DaemonFC The real reason healthcare is collapsing and has been in hyperinflation for years is illegal aliens. [10:22] matey Northern Ireland <- this rather [10:22] DaemonFC They go into the ER for everything and don't pay their bill. [10:22] mjg59_ Abortion was only legalised in NI in 2019 [10:22] DaemonFC Then the hospital bills a citizen for the balance. [10:22] matey i always assumed the law in ni was the same as the rest of the uk [10:22] matey i guess not? [10:23] mjg59_ matey: No! NI was in a weird legal situation [10:23] matey there you have it [10:23] DaemonFC It's sketchy because they disarmed in exchange for a bad peace deal. [10:23] mjg59_ For a long time it was the only part of the UK you could keep a tiger [10:23] matey a bad peace deal eh? [10:23] DaemonFC And then the British removed their local government that they were promised later. [10:23] mjg59_ "bad peace deal" ha ha ha ah fucking no [10:23] matey it was a lot nicer there after the bad peace deal [10:23] DaemonFC And it gives it to them whenever it feels like it. [10:24] mjg59_ What? No [10:24] mjg59_ The British parliament takes over when NI fails to form a government, because otherwise there isn't one [10:24] matey not only was it nicer, but generally speaking people were very happy that it was nicer [10:24] DaemonFC The British parliament takes over when NI fails to form a government, because otherwise there isn't one [10:24] DaemonFC Even better. [10:25] matey the peace deal worked because people were sick to fuck of fighting [10:25] DaemonFC If the situation of not having a government is intolerable, there would be one quickly, I presume. [10:25] DaemonFC Maybe they're worried people would like the short break. [10:25] mjg59_ Ok you genuinely don't have any idea what you're talking about here [10:25] mjg59_ Which is not unusual, but [10:26] DaemonFC The natural state is for people to be skeptical of the government and to want to stop it from functioning at all in most cases. [10:26] mjg59_ If you're a US libertarian, sure [10:26] DaemonFC But the government doesn't want to go anywhere, so it taxes you and establishes government schools to fill people's heads with propaganda. [10:26] mjg59_ That is not the universal natural state [10:27] DaemonFC Then it can keep doing a shittier and shittier job. [10:27] DaemonFC Until nobody even knows math or science, but does know how to keep voting for more welfare. [10:27] DaemonFC Then the country collapses in slow motion. [10:27] matey DaemonFC youre making the same mistake as ben shapiro right now [10:27] mjg59_ And NI, despite having a larger per-capita rocket launcher owner poplulation than the rest of the English-speaking democratic world, doesn't agree with that [10:27] DaemonFC Unfortunately, they're still in power, so they don't care. [10:28] DaemonFC There are some very badly broken countries where the people in power suffer, so don't care. [10:28] DaemonFC *don't suffer [10:28] mjg59_ NI has the best education system of the entire UK [10:28] matey the british have a different relationship with socialism than americans [10:28] DaemonFC And that's exactly where America is heading because people tolerate the federal government running everything. [10:28] matey so the left/right dynamic plays out differently [10:28] DaemonFC Or ruining everything, rather. [10:28] DaemonFC Before the feds took over healthcare, I didn't need insurance. [10:29] matey largely because america never came out of a war in desperate need of an nhs [10:29] DaemonFC I went and paid the doctor $40 or so and got my meds, and my meds were maybe 20-30% of what they cost now, without some ridiculous app. [10:29] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Ok could you please tie this back to Northern Ireland [10:29] DaemonFC And then that was that. [10:29] *alextee has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:29] DaemonFC The fucking stupid Democrats made everything healthcare-related 10 times more expensive than it was before. [10:30] matey the stupid democrats based their plan on the work of mitt romney [10:30] DaemonFC Then on the other end, they hide it by paying the insurance companies (deficit spending and taxes),. [10:30] mjg59_ yeah we were talking about Northern Ireland and the Democrats have a surprisingly small influence there [10:30] DaemonFC Which causes the dollar to hyperinflate and taxes to have to go up eventually. [10:30] matey NI has the best education system <- howso? [10:30] DaemonFC And then you have more problems. Gasoline, heating your house, FOOD, rent. [10:30] mjg59_ matey: Better government funding than anywhere else in the UK [10:31] DaemonFC Politicians are almost always, like, the dumbest fucking people in the country. [10:31] matey Which causes the dollar to hyperinflate and taxes to have to go up <- the us libertarian model of the dollar is a bit like a transistor [10:31] DaemonFC And that's if you're lucky. [10:31] mjg59_ matey: Per capita, more money spend on education there than in England, Wales or Scotland [10:31] DaemonFC They'll be so dumb it at least interferes with all of the corruption a little. [10:31] matey didnt know that [10:31] matey thats cool [10:31] kingoffrance "the stupid democrats based their plan on the work of mitt romney" yes lol glad someone noticed, although i dont know details [10:31] matey /me had a very serious relationship with someone from ni once [10:32] mjg59_ matey: Publicly fundend schools in NI are pretty much at the same level as private schools in England (ignoring outliers like Eton and so on) [10:32] DaemonFC In Illinois, the people here have proven that the feds swooping in and arresting the politicians every week for the last 50 years hasn't changed anything. [10:32] matey Publicly fundend schools in NI are pretty much at the same level as private schools in England <- sweet [10:32] DaemonFC So what needs to happen is a transitional government being forced while everyone living here today chooses delegates to start over. [10:32] mjg59_ matey: The NI publicly funded school system got me into Cambridge [10:32] DaemonFC New constitution, new legal code. [10:33] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Yeah can you associate that with NI at all [10:33] DaemonFC That should be the beginning and the end of the federal influence on the states though, and the ones ripe for takeover to impose new governments would almost always be blue states that are impossible to purge corruption from otherwise. [10:33] DaemonFC Where democracy has failed completely. [10:33] mjg59_ Pretty certain we could replace daemonfc with a GPT-3 bot [10:34] DaemonFC Most governments skew towards corruption to some degree. [10:34] DaemonFC It's just off the charts here and it always will be no matter how many people the feds come in and arrest. [10:34] mjg59_ I should just write one [10:34] DaemonFC They got themselves a House Speaker even, and nothing changes. [10:34] TR News Starbucks as a sick cult of sociopathy and plutocracy. Poor people paying too much for a beverage to celebrate their plutophilia, hoping it'll make them SEEM well off https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-unanimously-vote-to-form-union-in-seattle-companys-hometown/ [10:34] Alternative link Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-unanimously-vote-to-form-union-in-seattle-companys-hometown/ [10:34] TR Bot Starbucks Workers Unanimously Vote to Form Union in Seattle, Companys Hometown [10:35] matey mjg59_ if youre going to make fun of dfc with a bot, i have a better idea [10:35] mjg59_ Obviously I should use gpt-j instead [10:35] DaemonFC "Starbucks as a sick cult of sociopathy and plutocracy. Poor people paying too much for a beverage to celebrate their plutophilia, hoping it'll make them SEEM well off." [10:35] matey make a counter that tracks certain tropes [10:35] matey sort of like a drinking game in bot form [10:35] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, It was established in Austin Powers that Dr. Evil owns Starbucks. [10:35] matey for bonus points, make it take a drink and eventually slur its responses [10:36] mjg59_ Oh, just have a sign in my living room that flashes whenever racism or transphobia happens, and then everyone has to drink [10:36] DaemonFC I'm not racist. [10:36] matey /me giggles [10:36] matey dfc you may not be as racist as some people think [10:36] mjg59_ k so you admit you're transphobic [10:37] *DaemonFC moves mjg59_ to South Chicago and sees how long he can stomach it. [10:37] DaemonFC Then he can talk about fucking racism. [10:37] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Spent a bunch of time in South Chicago a few years back [10:37] DaemonFC Right, and nobody even sends their own kids to the park to play. [10:37] DaemonFC Because they know their neighborhood is shit and terrorized by criminals. [10:38] mjg59_ Dated someone from there [10:38] matey i think he missed the part where you said you GREW UP in northern ireland [10:38] matey as in you were there before the peace agreement, unless im mistaken [10:38] TR News "Fresh off its fining by the Italian government for breaking privacy laws (which followed several similar actions by other governments), the facial recognition tech company" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government/ [10:38] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/clearview-is-laundering-its-reputation-by-offering-its-ai-to-ukraines-government/ [10:38] TR Bot Is Laundering Its Reputation By Offering Its AI To Ukraines Government | Techdirt [10:38] mjg59_ matey: yeah he has this idea that I have literally never been exposed to any of the scenarios he complains about [10:38] mjg59_ matey: And, hilariously, I actually tick pretty much every single box there [10:39] DaemonFC So you know how gross and dangerous it is down there. [10:39] DaemonFC Good. [10:39] matey yeah he has this idea that I have literally never been exposed to any of the scenarios <- well, i admit, you did seem that way [10:39] matey but the minute you said you grew up in ni i knew different [10:39] DaemonFC Glad it's not just, like, my opinion. [10:39] matey its nice now! [10:39] mjg59_ DaemonFC: I disagree with your characterisation [10:39] DaemonFC Oh really. [10:39] matey it used to be sort of rough [10:39] TR News Do not say big tech; you help Microsoft criminals distract from their crimes; the term big tech was promoted by Microsoft lobbyists https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/sinclair-seattle-reporter-makes-proud-boys-gathering-sound-like-cub-scouts/ [10:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/sinclair-seattle-reporter-makes-proud-boys-gathering-sound-like-cub-scouts/ [10:39] TR Bot Seattle Reporter Makes Proud Boys Gathering Sound Like Cub Scouts | Techdirt [10:39] DaemonFC Would you care to go walking around at 3 AM with $5,000 and some Apple products to prove your point? [10:40] DaemonFC Because you can do that in most of Indiana and nothing will happen. [10:40] mjg59_ matey: I lived in Omagh, which had kind of a famous involvement in everything [10:40] matey /me nods [10:40] DaemonFC And if you're worried about it happening in Indiana, just carry a gun. [10:40] DaemonFC No permit coming in July. [10:40] DaemonFC Shoot them and say self-defense. Best law ever. [10:40] DaemonFC They shouldn't have mugged you. [10:40] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Uh tbh if I were going to do that I'd feel more sketched out in Michigan City than Chicago [10:41] matey dfc: they had to get rid of rubbish bins because they kept blowing up [10:41] DaemonFC Michigan City IS Chicago.... [10:41] DaemonFC NWI is a shithole that the state gave up on. [10:41] DaemonFC It's not really Indiana. [10:41] mjg59_ It's literally Indiana [10:41] DaemonFC Only technically. [10:41] mjg59_ Legally [10:41] TR News Gulag and Rotten compete over who can abuse people more and then convince those people they're in fact being served https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/apple-cripples-its-own-streaming-app-in-stand-off-with-google/ [10:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/apple-cripples-its-own-streaming-app-in-stand-off-with-google/ [10:41] TR Bot Cripples Its Own Streaming App In Stand Off With Google | Techdirt [10:41] mjg59_ A signficant distance from Chicago [10:41] DaemonFC It's Chicago spillover. Majority-minority, same time zone. [10:42] DaemonFC Same Metro Statistical Area. [10:42] DaemonFC Lots of crime and pollution. [10:42] mjg59_ Ok cool can you define your terms then [10:42] mjg59_ Because apparently "Indiana" doesn't mean Indiana [10:42] DaemonFC What would work out better is if Indiana gave that to Chicago, Illinois gave the 96 counties it doesn't take care of to Indiana, and then they part ways. [10:43] mjg59_ Draw me a map of the areas you want to ask me about [10:43] DaemonFC Everyone would be a lot happier because the thugs, parasites, and criminals could live in the state of Chicago. [10:43] DaemonFC And the decent people could be in Indiana and like it better there. [10:43] mjg59_ Yeah ok you're just going to bullshit again [10:43] mjg59_ "No true Indiana" [10:44] DaemonFC I'm from Indiana and nobody there likes NWI. [10:44] mjg59_ schestowitz: can you point out the time I lied [10:44] DaemonFC It's pretty much forgotten about. [10:44] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Other than those people who literally live there in Indiana [10:44] DaemonFC They have no influence on state politics because they vote like Chicago in a state that's not corrupt and filthy and downtrodden like Illinois is. [10:44] DaemonFC Nobody cares about NWI. [10:44] DaemonFC That's why it's a sacrifice zone. [10:45] mjg59_ Uh huh [10:45] DaemonFC The BP oil refinery and US Steel make the entire region literally stink and all the plantlife nearby dies. [10:45] mjg59_ k [10:45] DaemonFC And they have people they don't care about living there [10:45] mjg59_ What I'm hearing here is that Indiana sucks [10:45] DaemonFC And Gary Public Schools is the only one in the state to get an F rating. [10:45] TR News "Meanwhile, a host of London properties belonging to Russian oligarchs entered a long-overdue process of liquidation. What took so long?" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/23/lets-not-stop-russian-oligarchy [10:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/23/lets-not-stop-russian-oligarchy [10:45] TR Bot Opinion | Let's Not Stop With the Russian Oligarchy | Yanis Varoufakis [10:45] DaemonFC No, NWI sucks. [10:46] mjg59_ Yeah, Indiana [10:46] TR News "Weve been making the point for years that the way copyright is currently enforced in online platforms is wide open for abuse and error." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/destiny-community-plagued-by-copyright-takedowns-bungie-insists-it-isnt-them/ [10:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/destiny-community-plagued-by-copyright-takedowns-bungie-insists-it-isnt-them/ [10:46] TR Bot Community Plagued By Copyright Takedowns, Bungie Insists It Isnt Them | Techdirt [10:46] DaemonFC It's because nobody in Indiana cares and nobody takes care of Gary, which is the county seat of Lake County for legacy reasons. [10:46] mjg59_ Oh no my north west [10:46] matey mjg59_ not just indiana, NORTHERN indiana [10:46] DaemonFC Every state has some area where nobody cares what happens there. Nobody cares what the troubles are. [10:46] mjg59_ Way to take some fucking responsibility [10:46] DaemonFC Lake County, Indiana is that region. [10:47] DaemonFC Ruined by industry. Nobody will ever invest there because who wants to live next to that? [10:47] matey Nobody cares what the troubles are. <- [10:47] matey lol [10:47] DaemonFC The only people who couldn't afford to move are black. [10:47] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:47] mjg59_ Oh gosh it's true you did just describe the UK's opinion of NI [10:47] DaemonFC So Gary is 90%+ black now and from the train, you can see all the houses falling over into the streets. [10:48] DaemonFC Even a Walgreens had to close within NINETY DAYS of moving into Gary. [10:48] DaemonFC Between the armed robberies and the shoplifting, they gave up on trying to turn a profit in less than NINETY DAYS. [10:48] DaemonFC So they don't even have a Walgreens because they ran it off. [10:48] TR News Whatever weve been doing for five decades, it aint working. And when I look at the numbersthe number of suicides, number of disabilities, mortality dataits abysmal, and its not getting any better. https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/23/why-with-more-treatment-suicides-and-mental-distress-have-increased-former-nimh-directors-new-book/ [10:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/23/why-with-more-treatment-suicides-and-mental-distress-have-increased-former-nimh-directors-new-book/ [10:48] TR Bot With More Treatment, Suicides and Mental Distress Have Increased? Former NIMH Directors New Book - CounterPunch.org [10:49] DaemonFC Even shitass San Francisco, where the prosecutor admits he doesn't try shoplifters, hasn't had that happen yet. [10:49] mjg59_ And again you're just lying [10:49] matey mjg59_ so on the one hand, people in balaklavas and rubbish bins going up now and again [10:49] matey on the other, walgreens cant even stay [10:49] matey admit it, youve lead a cushy life mate [10:49] DaemonFC The reason why there's so many train robberies going on in fucking California is because only retards live and vote there and put up with that shit. [10:50] DaemonFC They should fall into the ocean. [10:50] mjg59_ Yeah LA that well known progressive heartland [10:50] matey i dont deny that i bought the spoiled brat narrative when there were no other facts available [10:50] matey but that at least doesnt hold up [10:51] DaemonFC Most people with any means of getting out of California are starting to take whatever they can get for their house, pay state taxes one last time, and bolt. [10:51] DaemonFC So it'll be like a really big Chicago shortly enough. [10:51] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@n85eehxfx6eqn.irc) has joined #techrights [10:51] matey and you can be married to narratives or give facts their due [10:51] mjg59_ The hilarious thing here is that DaemonFC hates me because back in 2008 I pointed out he was wrong on a technical detail about ACPI tables and then he signed me up to 300 spam lists [10:51] matey and then he signed me up to 300 spam lists <- did he really? [10:52] DaemonFC California is in an advanced state of failure. [10:52] matey i didnt know you were here back then [10:52] matey i knew he was :) [10:52] DaemonFC It's where the locals realize that their US citizenship allows them to rage quit the state they pay a lot of taxes to and get little or nothing from and leave. [10:52] matey im so curious what he was wrong about about acpi tables (i know very little about them) [10:53] mjg59_ matey: https://mjg59.livejournal.com/97151.html [10:53] TR Bot Things I have learned in the past 24 hours: mjg59 LiveJournal [10:53] DaemonFC Then what happens is the people who pay nothing and take are all still there. [10:53] matey i know what shuttleworth said about acpi [10:53] matey oh my god, livejournal [10:53] matey i know, it was 2008 [10:53] DaemonFC Because they didn't have to be the first to go, obviously, only now there's nothing to pay for all of their welfare (except the feds, I suppose). [10:53] DaemonFC Then there's a state budget crisis and an unpaid bills pile and you get the credit rating of Russia. [10:54] DaemonFC That happened to Illinois and New Jersey already. [10:54] mjg59_ matey: Foxconn had a bug in their BIOS that meant they misinterpreted what a flag in the ACPI spec said, so if you suspended your system wouldn't resume correctly [10:54] DaemonFC Yet, Windows added a workaround for the bug 4 years before a motherboard shipped with the bug. [10:54] DaemonFC How very convenient. [10:55] mjg59_ matey: I helped them track that down and they fixed their BIOS, and I also fixed Linux to behave in the way their BIOS assumed because that's what Windows did and not everybody gets a fixed BIOS update [10:55] *psydruid knows that much of ROI and NI is much less developed than NL, DE and Scandinavia [10:55] DaemonFC That Microsoft works around a bug in 2003 that has no hardware shipping until early 2008. (so 4+ years, really). [10:55] DaemonFC So yeah, "bug". [10:55] mjg59_ psydroid9: Accurate, especially re: NI - the area I grew up in was one of the most impoverished parts of the UK [10:55] TR News Ban Fact Checking? https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/alaska-state-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-fact-checking-and-content-moderation-for-freedom/ [10:55] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/alaska-state-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-fact-checking-and-content-moderation-for-freedom/ [10:55] TR Bot State Senator Introduces Bill To Ban Fact Checking And Content Moderation. For Freedom | Techdirt [10:55] DaemonFC Someone went back in time 4.5 years and told Microsoft to fix a bug they planned on shipping? [10:56] DaemonFC mjg59_ seems to have selective memory recall. [10:56] DaemonFC At the time, I posted that I downloaded and tried every version of Windows the motherboard would run. [10:56] matey "Websites that claim you'll never be able to get them taken down are quite easy to get taken down Legal threats are an excellent way of obtaining information The IP address used to subscribe me (and several others ) to a vast number of mailing lists was 68.57.223.4. Which seems to belong to Ryan Farmer" [10:56] mjg59_ matey: So when DaemonFC decided that Microsoft's plausible but not necessarily correct interpretation of the spec was a conspiracy on the part of Foxconn and I demonstrated otherwise, he signed me up to a shitload of spam [10:56] DaemonFC They "fixed" the "bug" with a workaround in Windows XP Service Pack 2 Beta. [10:56] matey presumably no longer his ip [10:57] DaemonFC But no hardware was out until late in the lifecycle of Vista. [10:57] mjg59_ matey: Oh no, but if you search that IP you might still get hits of IRC logs that include it [10:57] TR News Ban Windows https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/white-house-urges-companies-to-protect-data-from-russian-hacks-with-encryption-while-congress-looks-to-effectively-outlaw-encryption/ [10:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/23/white-house-urges-companies-to-protect-data-from-russian-hacks-with-encryption-while-congress-looks-to-effectively-outlaw-encryption/ [10:57] TR Bot House Urges Companies To Protect Data From Russian Hacks With Encryption; While Congress Looks To Effectively Outlaw Encryption | Techdirt [10:57] matey well i used to have all the logs back to 2008 [10:58] matey but i dont [10:58] DaemonFC So Microsoft worked around a bug in 2003 that didn't exist until 2008? [10:58] mjg59_ matey: Turns out the spamza.com people talked a teenager in Canada into hosting their site, so when I asked him for logs he gave them up [10:58] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Did you put my email address into spamza.com [10:58] DaemonFC If you used Windows 2000 or original XP, and resumed, the system went into a coma. [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 65.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 116.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 223.33 [10:59] mjg59_ matey: I've still got that email somewhere, can pull it out if you like [10:59] DaemonFC Windows 2003 Server did it too, until that system got a SP1. [10:59] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Did you put my email addres into spamza.com ● Mar 24 [11:00] mjg59_ (Note he's not denying it) [11:00] matey matey: I've still got that email somewhere, can pull it out if you like <- ive seen enough to satisfy my feeling that its plausible [11:00] matey im more curious what dfc was wrong about regarding acpi [11:00] mjg59_ Oh! It was kind of subtle [11:00] matey so far ive read your qualifications [11:00] TR News Call them theft, not bonuses https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/23/jaw-dropping-wall-street-bonuses-have-soared-1743-1985 [11:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/23/jaw-dropping-wall-street-bonuses-have-soared-1743-1985 [11:00] TR Bot 'Jaw-Dropping': Wall Street Bonuses Have Soared 1,743% Since 1985 [11:00] matey but not what he was wrong about [11:01] mjg59_ https://mjg59.livejournal.com/94998.html describes why his claims didn't make sense - a lot of details there, but doesn't describe what was actually wrong [11:01] TR Bot Further Foxconn fun: mjg59 LiveJournal [11:02] DaemonFC I'm probably just going to give up on the PC as a platform at some point anyway. [11:02] matey and switch to what daemonfc [11:02] DaemonFC At this point most of the programs I use are either cross platform or emulators anyway. [11:02] DaemonFC and switch to what daemonfc [11:02] DaemonFC Haven't decided. But even the Raspberry Pi systems are powerful enough for anything I do. [11:03] matey if theyre not now, they will be soon [11:03] matey mjg59_ youre basically giving me proof he was wrong, i was only looking for a simple anecdote [11:04] matey this wasnt something i was going to hinge your credibility on [11:04] mjg59_ matey: the fundamental flaw was that the spec implies (but was not super clear on) the fact that the firmware should clear the ACPI_WAKE_STATUS flag before handing off to the OS [11:04] matey okay [11:04] mjg59_ And Linux assumed it was cleared [11:05] matey oh [11:05] mjg59_ https://launchpadlibrarian.net/16604925/foxconn.diff made Linux work [11:05] DaemonFC I don't think you have to run Raspbian, but from what I can tell, the Microsoft shit in Raspbian is an APT repository and signing key? [11:05] mjg59_ I think the BIOS was wrong and Linux was right, but it was three lines of code that made Linux work fine on that board [11:05] DaemonFC Those are easy enough to remove and then Microsoft can't slip things onto the computer. [11:05] matey I don't think you have to run Raspbian, but from what I can tell, the Microsoft shit in Raspbian is an APT repository and signing key? <- plus they now own "azure tros" which they didnt make but they bought it [11:05] matey and that runs in the gpu [11:05] matey so if you REALLY HATE microsoft, like i do [11:06] matey the rasp spy is not for you [11:06] mjg59_ matey: Anyway I published that and then DaemonFC filled my inbox with spam [11:06] matey but if you ditch raspbian you wont have the repo and signing key issue [11:06] DaemonFC I use Wine, but it's just for some games and programs that unfortunately only have a Windows version. [11:06] matey matey: Anyway I published that and then DaemonFC filled my inbox with spam <- lol [11:06] matey /mw wonders how old dfc was in 2008 [11:06] DaemonFC It's not like that suddenly makes Windows a competent OS. [11:06] mjg59_ DaemonFC: We're ok with agreeing that you filled my inbox with spam right [11:07] DaemonFC /mw wonders how old dfc was in 2008 [11:07] matey mjg59_ its possible, even if the evidence points to ryan, that MAYBE he didnt, right? [11:07] *DaemonFC wonders why railing about 2008 is cool [11:07] mjg59_ matey: Some teenager in Canada gave me an IP address that DaemonFC was using [11:07] DaemonFC It wasn't a fantastic year though. [11:08] DaemonFC Well, you know....teenagers. [11:08] schestowitz siggi [11:08] DaemonFC Not just teenagers....some teenager in Canada. [11:08] schestowitz fbi: we hire pedophiles [11:08] schestowitz at age 16 or thereabouts [11:08] DaemonFC This is turning into Rudy Giuliani and the laptop. [11:08] schestowitz to spy on Wikileaks [11:08] mjg59_ matey: Kid in question was just running a Quake server on his home IP and had no interest in linux, so no obvious reason to finger the guy who was already angry at me on the internet [11:08] matey DaemonFC i see it as a prank, not something youre required to answer [11:09] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Man you know you could just deny it [11:09] matey mjg59_ i was just going to say that [11:09] DaemonFC mjg59_, Maybe I just want to see if you'll go to the Four Seasons Total Landscaping and hold a press conference. [11:09] matey mjg59_ there is at least ONE possible reason why people should ignore such questions from you of course [11:09] DaemonFC To see if your hair dye leaks. [11:09] matey to be fair [11:09] mjg59_ DaemonFC: oh my hair is falling out but it's retaining its colour [11:10] mjg59_ I'd prefer the opposite tbh [11:10] matey /me seriously wonders if his hairline isnt receding [11:10] matey but ive done the bald thing already, so no biggie [11:10] DaemonFC Mine started to in 2019, but it hasn't gotten worse. [11:10] matey /me stopped being bald because it was too much work [11:10] DaemonFC I think it was just because it was a really bad year. [11:10] mjg59_ I've been balding since I was 22, I don't have a lot to protect here [11:11] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Anyway is it fair to say that you put my email address into Spamza in 2008 [11:11] mjg59_ Maybe you think you had a good reason to! [11:11] matey mjg59_ there is one reason that maybe no one should answer such questions of yours ever, right? [11:12] mjg59_ matey: Oh god there's no universe where I could sue him for that [11:12] matey not that [11:12] matey its your image [11:12] mjg59_ Also I do know some Hackers but I am not going to unleash terror upon people [11:12] DaemonFC Well, there's a lot of reasons why nobody would bother. [11:13] DaemonFC Mainly because the buzzards have picked me clean already. [11:13] matey something between torquemada and cardinal richilau [11:13] matey mjg59_ image-wise, youre no better than a cross between an fbi profiler and harriet the spy, you know [11:13] mjg59_ I'm a middle aged dude with a receding hairline I do not actually have the power to fuck someone over [11:14] matey i mean, most people here, rightly or wrongly, figure this will all end up in a twitter storm [11:14] mjg59_ Like fuck I have plenty of evidence that DaemonFC did this thing him saying anything doesn't matter at all at this point [11:14] matey Like fuck I have plenty of evidence that DaemonFC did this thing him saying anything doesn't matter at all at this point <- thats other sid of it, true [11:14] matey if i was his lawyer of course, id tell him not to say anything [11:15] mjg59_ I think he's a terrible person but I promise I'm not going to do anything about shit that happend almost 15 years ago [11:15] matey I think he's a terrible person <- other than being racist? [11:15] mjg59_ Also the transphobia [11:15] DaemonFC A very racist person that's in an interracial marriage. [11:15] DaemonFC Wow, learn something new every day. [11:15] mjg59_ Yeah, not impossible [11:16] matey im not sure if hes generally transphobic or just transphobic about his aunt [11:16] DaemonFC Oh, Keith. [11:16] DaemonFC Yeah, that guy's a real piece of work. [11:16] mjg59_ Oh no not again [11:16] DaemonFC No psychiatrist would even say he was trans. [11:16] DaemonFC Buffalo Bill [11:16] mjg59_ But yeah he's misgendered people previously [11:16] matey But yeah he's misgendered people previously <- i dont really doubt it [11:17] mjg59_ And used transphobic slurs [11:17] matey i wasnt there, or i dont recall, its just [11:17] matey let me explain [11:17] matey he rants about blacks all day long [11:17] mjg59_ Oh no need I understand [11:17] matey and says almost nothing about anyone trans [11:17] matey so i figure [11:17] matey if he was very transphobic he would give them equal time [11:17] matey like the kansas city school board [11:17] matey its pure assumption on my part [11:18] mjg59_ He also has strong opinions about how I describe my partner [11:18] DaemonFC I can't name a time where I saw a very mean looking trans person who probably had a gun walking towards my car. [11:18] matey He also has strong opinions about how I describe my partner <- well thats unnecessary [11:18] matey your partner never did anything to him [11:18] mjg59_ Right! [11:18] DaemonFC And I was in there grinding my teeth hoping the light would change. [11:18] DaemonFC That's why they don't get equal time. [11:18] DaemonFC They're not important enough for me to care about as far as impact on my life and safety. [11:19] matey theres definite logic there, dfc [11:19] DaemonFC So, I'm pretty much neutral on the issue of trans people. I just had a really funny uncle. [11:19] matey im not even being sarcastic [11:19] DaemonFC :/ [11:19] mjg59_ And I do undertand his concerns that "partner" has been used to undermine same-sex spouses as something not equivalent to marriage [11:19] matey So, I'm pretty much neutral on the issue of trans people <- this was my impression overall [11:19] mjg59_ But I genuinely don't have a better word to use here [11:20] matey But I genuinely don't have a better word to use here <- yeah, if youre not married, "spouse" makes less sense to use [11:20] mjg59_ I'm dating a non-binary person, what am I supposed to use to describe them? [11:20] DaemonFC Well, Home Depot was recently forcing all of their employees into the "tolerance re-education camp". [11:21] matey dunno [11:21] DaemonFC With a worksheet claiming all white people have white privilege. [11:21] mjg59_ "Partner" is easiest [11:21] DaemonFC And from the workings of the local court system, they actually seem to do almost nothing to black felons. [11:21] DaemonFC But I go in there accused of a misdemeanor and it's kitchen sink day. [11:21] mjg59_ And, again, racism [11:22] mjg59_ Anyway summary DaemonFC does not deny that he signed me up for spam in 2008 [11:22] DaemonFC How do you get punished MORE for a Class C Misdemeanor than some black guy who was video taping children using the toilet and saving the vids on his computer? [11:22] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008 [11:22] DaemonFC I mean, in what fucked up universe does that happen>? [11:22] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008 [11:22] matey Anyway summary DaemonFC does not deny that he signed me up for spam in 2008 <- again, if i were the lawyer of anyone in here, i would tell them not to answer questions like that [11:23] matey not because you might sue [11:23] matey but because you might go on a twitter streak [11:23] mjg59_ matey: Yeah entirely, but like the "Innocent until proven guilty" thing people could draw conclusions even without him saying anything [11:23] DaemonFC Well, that's in the UK anyway. [11:23] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC was not even in our channels back then [11:23] DaemonFC Where they can use silence as an admission of guilt. [11:24] schestowitz-TR and he would be used ad infinitum by mjg59_ [11:24] matey in 2008? he certainly was [11:24] DaemonFC Civilized countries don't do that. [11:24] schestowitz-TR for straw man accusations [11:24] matey he was here in 2008 and he got banned a couple times :) [11:24] schestowitz matey: we came stalking you... http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Ireland/Belfast/Belfast-Town-Hall looking for you, didn't find you [11:24] matey but there was no no-ban policy then [11:24] mjg59_ Yeah the logs do indicate that he was here, but it's not something schestowitz-TR has any responsbility for [11:24] TR Bot Belfast Town Hall [11:24] schestowitz put some accuation in twitter of me stalking you [11:24] schestowitz in NI and in IRC ;-) [11:24] schestowitz oh, wait [11:25] DaemonFC In the UK, I've heard the police warning that if you say something they'll use it against you, and if you don't say something that could help you, you may not be able to raise it as a defense later. [11:25] schestowitz it is the opposite [11:25] DaemonFC So you're basically fucked if you say anything, and fucked if you stay quiet. [11:25] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Did you sign me up for spam in 2008 [11:25] schestowitz BTW, your lawyers went on a fishing expedition for my home address [11:25] schestowitz next time you might "SWAT me" [11:25] DaemonFC At least in the US, if you stay quiet they can't do anything. [11:25] mjg59_ schestowitz: Your home address is on techrights.org [11:26] DaemonFC In the US, it's the opposite, actually. [11:26] DaemonFC If you talk to the police it can only hurt you. They'll either forget to write down anything you say that helps, or the hearsay rule will disqualify it later. [11:26] mjg59_ schestowitz: grep your logs [11:26] DaemonFC But you're free to raise anything you want in your own defense in court, therefore, you gain nothing, ever, by talking to the police. [11:27] matey /me knows that dfc was here and that he was banned [11:27] matey but i think the ban was lifted after a day or so [11:27] mjg59_ Anyway summary is DaemonFC made accusations against Foxonn that were not demonstrably true, Foxconn fixed their bug, I made Linux resiliant against equivalent bugs, DaemonFC signed me up for spam [11:27] TR News Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162931 [11:27] TR Bot Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:27] mjg59_ I made Linux better and he punishedme [11:28] TR News Programming and Interoperability Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162932 [11:28] TR Bot Programming and Interoperability Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:28] TR News Browser Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162933 [11:28] TR Bot Browser Security | Tux Machines [11:28] DaemonFC They can and do lie. They'll say anything to make you talk and to keep you talking, then you find out later it was all a lie, but they got everything they needed and wrote it down. [11:28] DaemonFC And now your lawyer can't help you. [11:28] matey it should be noted for completeness that this is all based on an ip address and timing [11:28] matey which is also what the riaa considers reasonable doubt [11:28] matey im not saying that means he didnt do it [11:28] matey just what level of proof it is [11:28] DaemonFC The RIAA lost tens of millions of dollars doing that and then stopped. [11:29] DaemonFC Laid off 80%. Then said it was an "educational campaign". [11:29] matey yeah im not a fan of the riaas concept of due process [11:29] mjg59_ matey: It was clearly DaemonFC who raised the issue in the first place, so that side of things is established [11:29] matey matey: It was clearly DaemonFC who raised the issue in the first place <- im not ignoring your side of the argument either [11:29] DaemonFC In revenge, there usually is no profit. The RIAA found that out. [11:29] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162934 [11:29] mjg59_ matey: So the kid who was hosting Spamza would have had to know what was going on and pick out his address for who signed me up [11:29] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [11:29] DaemonFC But they had to say it was an "educational campaign". [11:30] TR News FOSSForce on Events Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162935 [11:30] TR Bot FOSSForce on Events | Tux Machines [11:30] DaemonFC What were they going to do? Admit that they lost several dozen millions of dollars suing people who had nothing and then never being able to enforce it? [11:30] mjg59_ And I mean this is not court if he wants to just lie here he can there's no perjury involved [11:30] *psydroid9 has quit (Quit: Quit) [11:30] mjg59_ But instead he just doesn't answer and if he had lawyers they'd have told him it doesn't matter now [11:31] matey why would a lie satisfy you better than silence? [11:31] TR News Links 24/3/2022: Finnix 124 and Tor Browser 11.5a8 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/finnix-124/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/finnix-124/ [11:31] TR Bot Links 24/3/2022: Finnix 124 and Tor Browser 11.5a8 | Techrights [11:31] DaemonFC So they got those ridiculous laws passed that let them claim hundreds of thousands in damages for an MP3 and none of it mattered. [11:31] matey and if he had lawyers they'd have told him it doesn't matter now <- as i said theres another reason for him to ignore your questioning [11:31] mjg59_ Eh honestly just any recognition that it was a thing that happened would be nice [11:31] DaemonFC They keep looking for a way to make it matter, but it doesn't matter. [11:31] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [11:32] mjg59_ I didn't sue him, he didn't have lawyers [11:32] matey what was the business about legal threats and gaining information? [11:32] DaemonFC Roy says he's being doxxed by mjg59_ for some reason. [11:32] DaemonFC And worries he'll be SWATed. [11:33] matey i dont believe roy actually worries about a thing in the world [11:33] matey and i dont think mjg is going to swat him [11:33] DaemonFC Which seems to say that Roy thinks mjg59_ is unstable enough to do such a thing. [11:33] mjg59_ matey: I emailed the teenager and said I'd call his parents if he didn't give me the logs [11:33] TR News Celebrating Gulag surveillance like it's a "YAY! PARTY TIME! https://www.maketecheasier.com/visualize-google-location-history/ [11:33] TR Bot How to Visualize Your Google Location History - Make Tech Easier [11:33] mjg59_ matey: I never published any information about the teengager or his phone number [11:34] matey I emailed the teenager and said I'd call his parents if he didn't give me the logs <- the kid was running this spam signup service? [11:34] mjg59_ matey: Ha not quite - he was hanging out on a hacker IRC channel and some people asked if someone could host it [11:34] mjg59_ He gave them a shell, lulz ensured [11:34] matey ah [11:35] mjg59_ He'd actually self-doxxed via a Quake forum [11:35] matey have you ever doxxed someone for a lesser offense than rape? [11:35] TR News Samba 4.16 Removes the Old SMB1 Protocol http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162824#comment-33173 [11:35] TR Bot Samba 4.16.0 Available for Download | Tux Machines [11:35] matey note im not implying you ever doxxed someone [11:36] mjg59_ matey: I don't think I've even done that [11:36] matey i think the biggest concern is not doxxing (as dfc says roy says) but brigading [11:36] matey and i can understand why theyre concerned about you brigading [11:36] TR News SocialControlMediaComplianceWatch: analysis of Social Control Media Compliance Reports for the month of January 2022 https://internetfreedom.in/ssmi-compliance-jan-2022/ [11:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/ssmi-compliance-jan-2022/ [11:36] TR Bot #SocialMediaComplianceWatch: analysis of Social Media Compliance Reports for the month of January 2022 [11:36] mjg59_ roy's home address is not hard to find, but I'm not going to point to it because that would be a dick move [11:36] matey which could lead (indirectly) to doxxing [11:36] mjg59_ And I haven't shared it with anyone [11:37] matey tbh i think i know where it is, and i think its fake [11:37] TR News BSDNow: "FreeBSD Foundation Proposals, UNIX: On the Path to BSD, Fujitsu ends its mainframe and Unix services, Install burpsuite on FreeBSD using Linuxulator, new OpenBSD Webzine is out, and more." https://www.bsdnow.tv/447 [11:37] TR Bot BSD Now 447: Path to BSD [11:37] matey but that also means there is no threat [11:37] mjg59_ Eh if Roy ripped up a letter from me, the letter got there [11:37] matey fair point [11:38] mjg59_ But like I said not doxxing anyone [11:38] matey if i was the lawyer of anyone in here [11:38] matey and im not a lawyer, so this is very hypothetical [11:38] mjg59_ Oh man I would be "STOP TALKING SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP" [11:38] matey id advise them not to answer you because you might go brigading on twitter [11:39] matey i mean twitter at this point is like one giant brigade fest [11:39] matey who even uses reddit for that anymore [11:39] TR News Diversity and inclusion? NOT! https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-and-open-source-ukraine-aid/ [11:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: itsfoss.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.itsfoss.com/linux-and-open-source-ukraine-aid/ [11:39] TR Bot Linux and Open Source Companies Stopping Their Services in Russia - It's FOSS News [11:39] mjg59_ Ryan's had literally over a decade on this if I wanted to fuck him up in any way I'd have done so [11:39] matey right [11:39] matey and i think probably... [11:39] mjg59_ I don't actually have that power [11:39] matey the "local" image of you by now is overstated [11:39] matey and become a thing of legend [11:40] mjg59_ And geez him being angry on IRC is not enough to justify anything [11:40] matey but that doesnt mean their concerns are completely out of left field either [11:40] matey if you were THAT bad i imagine leah would never forgive you as well [11:40] mjg59_ I did what I wanted to back in 2008, it's done [11:41] mjg59_ I only mention it now in terms of explaining why he hates me [11:41] matey i was just going to ask how we got on the topic [11:41] matey anyway, thats your reputation here [11:41] matey harriet the spy: twitter edition [11:42] mjg59_ Not illegitimate [11:42] matey so if people are reluctant to answer questions, this is why [11:42] mjg59_ But I think that's established, not much more to do there [11:42] matey its hard not to think of it as a funny prank [11:43] matey at least 14 years later i mean [11:43] matey if it were last week id think it was fucked up [11:44] matey if it was over a disagreement about acpi it was surely unwarranted [11:44] matey i presume you fixed it somehow [11:44] mjg59_ At the time it was a shitload of work filtering all of it out so I could actually read me work mail [11:44] matey yeah its not something id enjoy to be sure [11:45] mjg59_ I managed to come up with some filters that identified the worst of it [11:45] matey am i giving too much benefit of the doubt for wondering if it wasnt a coincidence? [11:45] mjg59_ Coincidentally from an IP address that he was using on IRC at the same time? [11:46] matey /me thinks... [11:46] TR News Can ICBM write this with a straight face? It's literally attacking the founder of Free software. https://opensource.com/open-organization/22/3/making-case-openness-engine-human-progress [11:46] TR Bot Making the case for openness as the engine of human progress [11:46] matey im trying to think of a way [11:47] mjg59_ I definitely had preconceptions about who was responsible, but I didn't say anything until I cross-correlated the IP address [11:47] matey as far as i know [11:47] matey there are two ways i can think of (neither terribly plausible) that it could be someone else [11:47] TR News DevAIClownSmartSecOps++ https://opensource.com/article/22/3/guide-implementing-devsecops ICBM buzzwords and cargo cults [11:47] TR Bot guide to implementing DevSecOps | Opensource.com [11:48] matey 1. he had an open router and someone else using his connection you had ALSO pissed off :) [11:48] mjg59_ Also you should assume that I could just me making shit up [11:48] leah i have been summoned [11:48] *leah reading backlog [11:48] mjg59_ leah: Sorry I think accidental in this case [11:49] mjg59_ But in this case I was making shit up in 2008 and still care about it [11:49] mjg59_ And mostly what that says is I'm old [11:49] matey well i certainly never consider what you say written on stone tablets or anything [11:49] TR News ICBM publishes this while forcing staff to come back to the office ("100% of the time" even for "dinobabies") and forcing people who work from him to get jabbed with experimental things... or get fired https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/hybrid-work-3-new-leadership-rules [11:49] TR Bot Hybrid and remote work: 3 new leadership rules | The Enterprisers Project [11:50] matey fabricating a 2008 lj post just to frame dfc for a 14 year old spam prank would be pretty hilarious [11:50] mjg59_ I wouldn't put it past me [11:50] mjg59_ I am that kind of asshole [11:50] matey if you went to all that trouble for something so small [11:51] TR News What emotional intelligence? Calling older workers "dinobabies" and driving them to suicide? https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/it-leadership-3-reasons-emotional-intelligence-vital http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism [11:51] TR Bot IT leadership: 3 reasons emotional intelligence is vital | The Enterprisers Project [11:51] TR Bot IBM - Techrights [11:51] matey id have to think maybe you loved him, just a little [11:51] mjg59_ But in this case web.archive.org is on my side [11:51] matey yes but youre a superhacker, so [11:51] matey what is web.archive.org really [11:51] matey this is why its a blessing and a curse to become a legend [11:52] mjg59_ Eh it's only a couple of miles away maybe I could walk there and break in and just swap out some drives to corrupt their RAID in a way that recontstructed this [11:52] matey can mjg59 3d print a rock so heavy he cant hack it? [11:52] mjg59_ Have you seen my muscles literally yes [11:52] mjg59_ It would not need to be a heavy rock [11:52] matey I could walk there and break in and just swap out some drives to corrupt their RAID in a way that recontstructed this <- like a very nasty, very vindictive, very petty and spiteful version of aaron swartz [11:53] mjg59_ Eh Aaron's brother is a friend and this turns into a heavy topic [11:53] mjg59_ i see where you're coming from but I can't really give a flippant answer [11:53] matey fwiw i went to visit mit as a young lad [11:53] matey i was interested in going [11:54] matey and i met a famous inventor who was a professor there [11:54] matey but i fucking hate them for what they did to aaron [11:54] matey (and stallman, for that matter) [11:54] leah matey: please summarize what you were talking about, when you pinged me. tell me what is the nature of the current discussion between you and mjg59_. there's quite a lot of backlog that i'm skimming through [11:54] matey leah: in a line or two, this: [11:54] matey if mjg was the level of arsehole that his legendary status has become here [11:55] matey you would know, and hold it against him [11:55] matey you dont [11:55] matey therefore at least SOME of his legendary status is probably not very firmly established [11:55] mjg59_ matey: I am not happy with how MIT treated aaron [11:55] matey matey: I am not happy with how MIT treated aaron <- i wouldnt dream of suggesting you were [11:56] matey and i was going to say, i dont think what they did to stallman is quite on par with that, in a number of obvious ways [11:56] matey though i will say, i was concerned at first that he might kill himself too [11:56] matey and thats not hyperbole [11:56] leah matey: mjg59_ *is* an asshole, but so am i [11:56] leah so meh [11:56] mjg59_ leah: I had no idea you prefered the US spelling [11:57] leah ? [11:57] matey leah uses a number of american spellings [11:57] matey but their accent is very british [11:57] mjg59_ asshole v arsehole [11:57] matey britain is getting increasingly lax on these things too [11:57] leah whatever [11:58] leah matey: fundamentally, i don't believe mjg59_ is evil, as i said the other day, i disagree with some of his positions [11:58] leah now, what, specifically, is this discussion about? [11:58] TR News Imagination open sources PowerVR Series 1 GPU drivers - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/24/imagination-open-sources-powervr-series-1-gpu-drivers/ [11:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/24/imagination-open-sources-powervr-series-1-gpu-drivers/ [11:58] TR Bot Imagination open sources PowerVR Series 1 GPU drivers - CNX Software [11:59] matey leah: its mostly about mjg and his relationship to the website that accompanies the server this chat is on [11:59] TR News IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162936 [11:59] TR Bot IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:59] matey or to roy [11:59] mjg59_ leah: Oh, roughly whether DaemonFC is a dick and whether I habitually lie [11:59] matey that too ^ [11:59] leah i thought ariadne hosted techrights? [11:59] mjg59_ Seriously not your problem [11:59] matey i thought ariadne hosted techrights? <- yes but she doesnt like to talk about it [11:59] matey really the only point you were mentioned was this [11:59] matey if mjg were evil ● Mar 24 [12:00] matey you would probably know [12:00] matey and i doubt youd cover for him [12:00] matey thats the whole thing [12:00] matey basically i was putting some stock in your opinion of him [12:00] matey thats it [12:00] leah i mean yeah, don't drag me into your catfights. my only beef with mjg59_ was: 1) rms stance and 2) his libreboot remarks in 2015. i recently re-read the 2015 remarks and realized he was just... being correct in the most technical way possible in 2015. and rms... meh, who cares, i saw something in him back in 2021 but he let me down and now i've abandoned him [12:00] matey i mean yeah, don't drag me into your catfights <- this isnt a catfight [12:00] matey weve had a pretty civil conversation for like days straight [12:01] leah the uefi secureboot thing is another thing that annoys me. and mjg59_'s recently promotion of pluton crap [12:01] TR News Linux Training Model: What A Linux Course Should Look Like Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162937 [12:01] TR Bot Linux Training Model: What A Linux Course Should Look Like | Tux Machines [12:01] leah oh mjg59_ you asked me to remind you to promote libre silicon and sam zeloof [12:01] leah i'm reminding you [12:01] leah you said you'd forget [12:01] matey /me has been talking with someone else who promoses zeloof too [12:01] leah but i never forget a thing [12:01] mjg59_ Oh! Yes, I failed at that. Will try tomorrow. [12:01] matey promotes [12:02] matey and jri [12:02] leah matey: but mjg59_ isn't responsible for uefi [12:02] matey jeri [12:02] leah i just find it annoying that secureboot got normalized in all the distros [12:02] matey leah: this isnt about personal antagonism between mjg59 and me at all [12:02] leah mjg59_: yeah mention jeri ellsworth too [12:02] TR News EasyOS French langpack updated http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162725#comment-33174 [12:02] TR Bot EasyOS Dunfell-series 3.4.3 | Tux Machines [12:02] leah in my opinion, the distros should have completely refused to implement any support for secureboot [12:02] leah they should have outright refused [12:02] leah and/or pushed for coreboot [12:03] matey in my opinion, the distros should have completely refused to implement any support for secureboot <- i would have preferred this as well [12:03] leah or at least, a free tianocore implementation [12:03] matey it was like negotiating with terrorists [12:03] leah secureboot doesn't even protect you [12:03] matey jsut to be clear, mjg isnt the terrorists, hes the negotiator [12:03] leah grub in boot flash has far superior options, as does a linux kernel in flash [12:03] leah coreboot is superior [12:03] mjg59_ I'd disagree there, but it does depend on your firmware being trustworthy [12:04] leah matey: and rms gave him a fucking award lol [12:04] mjg59_ We've seen real-world attacks that secure boot would have blocked [12:04] leah matey: mjg59_ used to be on fsf board of directors [12:04] DaemonFC Yeah, that famous Linux bootloader, Windows Boot Manager. [12:04] DaemonFC mjg59_ talks about Secure Boot blocking an attack, and there's a picture of the Windows Boot Manager screen. [12:05] DaemonFC :) [12:05] DaemonFC Amazing. [12:05] leah mjg59_: grub can do these things: 1) verify gpg signatures on files 2) boot luks and geli encrypted partitions [12:05] DaemonFC An attack on Windows. Hardly ever happens, you know. ;) [12:05] TR News Best Linux Distributions for Scientists and IT Professionals Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162938 [12:05] TR Bot Best Linux Distributions for Scientists and IT Professionals | Tux Machines [12:05] leah mjg59_: secureboot just signs your bootloader [12:05] schestowitz 'secure' boot IS the attack [12:05] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/wontboot-meme/ [12:05] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Yeah turns out almost everyone interesting runs Windows. How do you want your laptop to distinguish? [12:05] TR Bot [Meme] It Was Only a Matter of Time All Along | Techrights [12:05] leah with coreboot, flash protection and grub with password, gpg checking kernels etc and booting them from encrypted /boot, i'd say you have superior security [12:05] leah mjg59_: but grub has limitations: upstream luks lacks detached luks header/keyfile support [12:06] DaemonFC DaemonFC: Yeah turns out almost everyone interesting runs Windows. How do you want your laptop to distinguish? [12:06] leah there are patches for that, but only for luks1, not luks2 yet, and not in upstream either, and grub's luks2 implementation is incomplete [12:06] leah if you want FDE stuff, i recommend linux in flash [12:06] DaemonFC Well, with Windows Update getting itself jammed up and all the data corruption and Bitlocker bugs... [12:06] leah with u-root for kexec [12:06] DaemonFC It's amazing they get anything done BEFORE the malware. [12:06] leah u-root, not to be confused with u-boot [12:06] mjg59_ leah: Local management is hard and I don't have a good answer [12:06] leah we should be pushing for more coreboot [12:06] leah imo [12:06] leah google ships coreboot [12:07] mjg59_ DaemonFC: That doesn't answer the question [12:07] leah system76 ships coreboot on some machines. and framework is interested in coreboot [12:07] leah mjg59_: local management? [12:07] DaemonFC Google will ship pretty much anything they can get their hands on though. [12:07] DaemonFC They're packrats. [12:07] mjg59_ leah: The device owner [12:07] leah hey, don't shit on google. they're the reason libreboot has decent video init lol [12:07] leah on like, all thinkpads [12:07] leah mjg59_: freedom is always superior [12:08] leah but secureboot is inferior, free or not [12:08] DaemonFC I have this Thinkbook with the visible 'firmware bug" messages before my splash screen. [12:08] DaemonFC So that's nice. [12:08] DaemonFC uEFI strikes again. [12:08] leah linux/grub in flash has much greater security features [12:08] mjg59_ leah: Nobody should ever be prevented from running what they want [12:08] leah and uefi is bloat [12:08] leah absolute bloat [12:08] leah linux does bare metal you know [12:08] mjg59_ leah: But equally, everyone should be able to specify what they want [12:08] leah on like [12:08] leah everything [12:09] DaemonFC Remember the time Microsoft did Hello World in C and it was several hundred lines long? [12:09] leah mjg59_: specify what they want, for/in/on what? [12:09] leah DaemonFC: gnu beat that record [12:09] leah see: [12:09] leah https://www.gnu.org/software/hello [12:09] TR Bot Hello - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [12:10] DaemonFC Microsoft's didn't have all these features. [12:10] leah i tried to fork it recently, as a joke to prove a point, i was going to make a program called "insult" based on it, that insults the user [12:10] leah i failed. the code is terrible [12:10] DaemonFC It was literally just Hello World in English only. [12:10] DaemonFC No features. [12:10] leah DaemonFC: gnu hello depends on gettext and gnulib [12:10] leah and both are blights on humanity [12:10] leah gnulib especially [12:11] leah yeah let's replace all the c library functions and extend them in a way where bsd can't use any code that links against gnulib [12:11] leah that's gnulib [12:11] DaemonFC yeah let's replace all the c library functions and extend them in a way where bsd can't use any code that links against gnulib [12:11] leah and gnu hello doesn't even *have* .po files in it for translating Hello World [12:11] DaemonFC That's actually quite funny. [12:11] leah it relies on a library in gnulib for that [12:12] leah so like, the main purpose of gnu hello - print hello world in every language - isn't even implemented in gnu hello [12:12] leah DaemonFC: it gets better [12:12] leah lots of gnu projects bootstrap gnulib in their build system, but then heavily patch it [12:12] leah so there are like [12:12] leah 10 different versions of gnulib being maintained [12:13] leah so gnulib isn't even fulfilling its stated purpose: being a portability library [12:13] leah and uefi is... worse than what i just described, if you use intel's reference implementation, called tianocore [12:14] leah that reference implementation is used (and modified) by all the commercial vendors [12:14] leah all of them [12:14] leah that codebase is spaghetti, and almost as big as linux [12:14] leah just to load yet another bootloader [12:14] leah uefi is microsoft garbage. it's main benefit is only to windows [12:15] leah linux/bsd runs on bare metal on most machines [12:15] mjg59_ I'll defend the functionality UEFI offers, I will not defend the implementation [12:15] leah just put linux in flash [12:15] leah or grub [12:15] leah your boot speeds will be insane [12:16] leah bonus: built-in operating system [12:16] DaemonFC Extensible Firmware Interface. Just drag and drop code from the BIOS to extend. [12:16] mjg59_ Modern UEFI overhead is <0.5s, but there's some space to win there [12:16] leah stick busybox and musl in there with u-root [12:16] DaemonFC Code that references Windows 98, even! [12:16] DaemonFC It doesn't matter! [12:16] leah mjg59_: coreboot is <0.1s [12:16] leah and sometimes is so fast that it introduces race conditions [12:16] DaemonFC Dalek voice: EXTEND EXTEND EXTEND!!! [12:16] mjg59_ leah: Without payload, sure [12:16] leah coreboot with a light payload [12:17] leah mjg59_: yeah grub bootstrap admitedly is quite slow [12:17] mjg59_ leah: FSP tho [12:17] leah what about fsp [12:17] mjg59_ Sloooooooooooooooow [12:17] matey so gnulib isn't even fulfilling its stated purpose: being a portability library <- huzzah [12:17] leah then don't use fsp [12:17] mjg59_ I would love to not use FSP [12:18] leah though amd is worse than intel imo [12:18] leah at least with intel, you get blobs that you can actually reverse engineer [12:18] mjg59_ But then I need to write raminit for 10th gen [12:18] leah then do it [12:18] DaemonFC AMD has their roots in being a government-mandated second source for x86 CPUs if I recall correctly. [12:18] mjg59_ Oh I'm writing stuff to drop more AMD blobs [12:18] matey the main purpose of gnu hello - print hello world in every language - isn't even implemented in gnu hello <- i though the main purpose of gnu hello was to show how to create a gnu project using a simple example [12:18] leah mjg59_: oh? [12:18] DaemonFC They've never really been on par with Intel. They're just good enough to sell at lower price points. [12:19] mjg59_ leah: Most of what runs on PSP is plaintext ARM code [12:19] leah matey: it shows how to create a gnu project [12:19] leah and gnu shows you how not to create a project [12:19] DaemonFC When AMD grabbed ATI, I switched to Radeon cards on my Intel PCs though. [12:19] matey to show how to create a gnu project using a simple example <- it fails spectacularly at this as well [12:19] mjg59_ So may as well write stuff to pull that out of the BIOS images [12:19] DaemonFC I had been doing Intel and Nvidia before when there was going to be a proprietary driver either way. [12:19] DaemonFC Because ATI's crashed a lot more. [12:19] leah mjg59_: i was of the assumption that psp stuff is locked down [12:19] matey for fun you could call it amd-libre [12:20] leah and amd gives you a nice little shim environment [12:20] DaemonFC Microsoft has this amusing thing called the "Windows Hardware Quality Lab". [12:20] matey amusing because it says both "windows" and "quality" [12:20] DaemonFC And the drivers you get from it are usually old, unstable, and not even meant for the build of Windows you are running. [12:20] DaemonFC Sometimes they're not even complete. [12:21] leah i mean [12:21] leah running windows is futile [12:21] DaemonFC Like, at one point they tried giving me a driver with no Vulkan support. [12:21] mjg59_ leah: It's signed, but a bunch isn't encrypted [12:21] mjg59_ leah: May as well figure out what it's doing [12:21] DaemonFC Microsoft strips out things like that to discourage developers from even thinking about using Vulkan. [12:22] leah you reckon you might crack the privkeys? [12:22] DaemonFC Figuring it'll be a complete mess on Windows that will result in support tickets. [12:22] leah mjg59_: i do notice you talking in #coreboot on libera sometimes. if you're working on coreboot, then that is commendable [12:22] leah thank you for doing that [12:22] matey /me has created a monster [12:23] leah honestly, i'm just milking whatever value is possible for now from older intel platforms. but x86 is a dead-end [12:23] leah i want to jump off that burning barge as soon as possible [12:23] DaemonFC Vulkan might be better served in the long run by a simple dispatch library that figures out at runtime whether it's best to shim Vulkan to the platform's native graphics API or to use the video driver's Vulkan library. [12:23] leah certain arm platforms are promising, but i honestly don't have much faith [12:24] leah sam zeloof's work is revolutionary and we need more of that, imo [12:24] matey \o/ [12:24] matey and jeri [12:24] leah riscv is giving you the isa and telling you to go build an fpga or something. and sifive has built some nice actual chips [12:24] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [12:24] leah but sam zeloof is showing you how to actually make real chips. his techniques can be learned, refined, improved and used to build whatever you want [12:25] leah mjg59_: have you heard: intel is interested in riscv [12:25] leah i reckon they're probably going to use it in an upcoming ME coprocessor [12:25] matey /me figures theyre going to shove a sock in its mouth and throw it into the river [12:25] leah currently they use minitiarized 486 processors running minix [12:26] leah you can bet newer intel me's in the future are going to be built upon riscv [12:26] leah that's why i think intel is interested in it [12:26] matey you heard it here [12:26] TR News Removing SHA-1 for signatures in Fedora [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/887832/ [12:26] TR Bot SHA-1 for signatures in Fedora [LWN.net] [12:27] leah matey: what monster have you created? [12:27] TR News Python finally offloads some batteries [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/888043/ [12:27] TR Bot finally offloads some batteries [LWN.net] [12:27] matey this creature born of you and mjg getting along [12:27] matey :/ [12:27] leah hey [12:27] leah i'm pragmatic. i like to try to see the good in people [12:27] leah everyone can be useful [12:28] matey yeah thats great, whatever happens im going to feel like its my fault [12:28] leah i regularly work with people i dislike/disliked [12:29] leah sometimes, i get turned too. there's someone else in this channel who i despised one year ago but then realized actually had great ideas, and a brilliant mind. and some of my positions changed due to the influence of that person [12:29] matey mincers not that bad [12:29] leah sticking to ones guns in futile. you should adapt your thinking to the times [12:29] *schestowitz-TR has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:29] leah and sometimes, one is wrong [12:29] leah and you have two choices: adapt, or stay put [12:30] leah matey: not talking about mincer lol [12:30] matey thats why its funny [12:30] leah it's ok to be right [12:30] leah and it's ok to be wrong [12:31] *acer-box has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [12:31] TR News Rendering the Web with Pictures in Your Terminal : more than you would like to know about HTML, ANSI and the philosophy of communication. gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-03-24-ansi_html.gmi [12:31] leah matey: if you actually look at my history, you'll notice that on many issues, my opinions today are the exact opposite of what they were 5 years ago [12:32] leah or if not opposite, substantially evolved and more nuanced now [12:32] matey sure, everyones wrong about something [12:32] leah yeah well [12:32] leah everyone has that ability. it's inevitable that it happens [12:32] mjg59_ leah: Yeah I'm interested in where riscv goes [12:32] mjg59_ leah: I have a riscv soldering iron [12:32] TR News "I've gained a lot of confidence with Razor pages since joining this company, and so I'm building the site without any JavaScript. I really appreciate the snappiness and usability of sites such as SourceHut which make use of as little front-end as possible." gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry?51 [12:32] leah what does that mean [12:32] mjg59_ Anyway very definitely bed timenow [12:32] leah riscv soldering iron [12:32] matey /me tries to imagin why riscv would have its own soldering iron [12:32] TR News Kernel: LWN Articles, Imagination, and Linutronix Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162939 [12:32] TR Bot Kernel: LWN Articles, Imagination, and Linutronix | Tux Machines [12:32] leah you mean the control unit is some riscv thing? [12:33] mjg59_ leah: Pinecil [12:33] leah oh that thing [12:34] matey matey: if you actually look at my history, you'll notice that on many issues <- i was open source first [12:34] leah lol so, my roommate's new anti-rsi wrist strap arrived [12:34] matey but not since 2010 [12:34] leah i,'m trying it. left handed one. how is this an improvement [12:34] leah it's making my typing less comfortable [12:34] *psydruid was never open source [12:34] leah mjg59_: i have a better solution [12:34] leah there are nice stm32-based control units that have libre firmware [12:34] leah of course stm32 isn't libre itself but [12:34] matey psydruid: it seemed nice :/ [12:35] leah well, i have a nice ksger station here that takes t12 tips [12:35] leah i do a lot with it [12:35] leah pinepencil is shit [12:35] leah just a shit 40w pencil tip [12:35] leah you won't get good thermal mass with that thing [12:35] leah i solder with mini hoof tip, k tip and d08 tip [12:35] matey this channel is nothing but a soldering iron waving contest [12:35] leah pencil/cone tips suck [12:35] psydruid matey, I did think for a while that open source was just a different way to present free software, but that turned out to be less and less the case [12:36] matey psydruid: you and bruce perens, and me [12:36] matey perens is still in denial. or diplomatic to the point of absurdity. [12:37] leah i suppose these carpel tunner straps are more intended for use on desktop keyboards, with qwerty layout? [12:38] TR News Replacing GAFAM (Pentagon-Connected Companies) With Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/gafam-talk/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/gafam-talk/ [12:38] TR Bot Replacing GAFAM (Pentagon-Connected Companies) With Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights [12:38] leah i'm trying it on a dvorak layout on an x200t and it's making it worse lol. this thing isn't for me though [12:38] leah my roommate types as much as i do but shes on qwerty, so i bought her anti-rsi straps and ergo keyboard [12:38] matey /me wonders how the strap is supposed to help [12:39] leah imo: ergonomic mechanical keyboard with dvorak [12:39] leah that's all you really need to prevent rsi [12:39] matey /me has feet as backup [12:39] matey if i ever have to type with my feet ill need slightly larger keys (if i want to do 60 wpm) [12:41] leah so yeah this keyboard sucks [12:41] mjg59_ leah: The Pinceil runs the same firmware as the TS-80m just built for a different SoC [12:41] leah just tried to type on it. but let's see what the intended user thinks [12:41] leah ea,ae,a,ea,ea,ea,ejukx [12:42] leah sorry, cat on the keyboard [12:42] mjg59_ So same as you'd run on an STM32 based device [12:42] matey /me thought it was a keyboard test [12:42] leah mjg59_: interesting [12:42] leah still, does that thing have swappable tips [12:42] matey cat is assistant keyboard tester [12:42] mjg59_ Definitely bed now thogh [12:42] leah and controllable tip temperature [12:42] mjg59_ leah: Oh yeah, I've got 9 tips? [12:43] mjg59_ And there's thermisters int he tips [12:43] mjg59_ It's definitely nice hardware [12:43] mjg59_ I've done rework on on-board flash with it [12:44] leah fine, let me take a look [12:44] leah pinepencil yeah? [12:45] leah pinecel rather [12:45] leah 20V 3A -> 60W then [12:45] leah not bad [12:45] leah it says 12v-20v i assume that means... 36-60w controllable right? [12:45] leah https://www.pine64.org/pinecil/ [12:45] TR Bot Pinecil | PINE64 [12:45] leah not a bad starter kit [12:46] *libertybox_ (~schestowitz_log@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [12:46] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [12:46] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [12:46] *Techrights-sec2 (~quassel@joseon-eam7h2.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #techrights [12:47] *schestowitz-TR (~acer-box@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [12:47] *libertybox has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:47] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:48] leah guessing it's just some pwm circuit in there right? [12:48] leah mjg59_: pwm control circuit for that voltage [12:48] leah 12-20v it says [12:48] leah and that controls the wattage [12:49] *Techrights-sec has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [12:50] leah mjg59_: but is it esd safe [12:51] leah i'm assuming not, because it's usb [12:52] matey why would pine64 offer an iron that would zap chips? [12:52] leah yeah their site doesn't mention esd stuff [12:53] matey i dont suppose you could just ground the tip with a wire [12:53] leah to a heard earth [12:53] leah hard* [12:54] matey /me has never heard of anti-esd saoldering irons, because didnt know that was an issue with soldering irons [12:54] leah https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/uploads/articles/Fig1m11292018.png [12:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: allaboutcircuits.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/uploads/articles/Fig1m11292018.png [12:54] TR News Samba 4.16 strips out more of deprecated SMB 1 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162824#comment-33175 [12:54] TR Bot Samba 4.16.0 Available for Download | Tux Machines [12:54] leah look at this [12:54] leah there are pins labelled "gnu" but i those aren't aren't a hard earth. it probably ultimately feeds back to neutral, not earth [12:55] leah though [12:55] leah also most usb-c power supplies that plug into the wall won't have a hard earth [12:55] leah in usaland it'll be the 2-wire cable for ac [12:55] leah and 2-wire everywhere else [12:55] leah (in UK, plastic earth pin on the plug) [12:55] leah yeah that's the problem i always see with usb soldering irons [12:55] leah no hard earth [12:56] leah no esd protection [12:56] leah you need a hard earth for esd protection [12:56] leah but you could rig something up [12:56] matey in usaland it'll be the 2-wire cable for ac <- what? [12:56] leah yeah in us you have the 2-wire and 3-wire cables [12:56] leah 3-wire has the earth pin [12:57] leah going into the 3-hole sockets that look like a doomed face [12:57] matey i dont think you know how rare 2 prong power points are there now [12:57] matey they still exist [12:57] matey if you can find one [12:58] matey /me wore an anti-esd wrist strap going to the ground lead when he was like 7 [12:59] matey i suck at soldering though. luckily i enjoy computers more than electronics [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 66.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 81.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 244.86 [12:59] matey if you need any chips destroyed with heat or something im your man [12:59] matey i can probably ruin some diodes too [12:59] matey but mostly i just make shitty joins ● Mar 24 [13:00] matey granted ive never used a real soldering iron, im sure that helps a bit [13:00] leah anyway [13:00] matey /me isnt kidding [13:00] leah mjg59_: if pine64 can make a nice esd-safe soldering station, that'd be great [13:00] leah one with a hard earth [13:00] leah look as ksger t12 stations [13:00] leah something like that built on riscv would be great [13:01] leah i need something with serious power for my purposes. i'm soldering all day. sometimes i install a big fat chisel tip and solder to giant ground planes that soak up a lot of heat. i doubt that pinecel could satisfy me, plus it's not esd-safe [13:03] leah big thick ground terminals. and i obey the 2-second rule when soldering [13:04] matey if you pick it up two seconds after dropping it, its still good [13:04] leah "there are pins labelled gnu" lol, sorry matey i meant ground [13:04] leah matey: no i mean the 2-second rule [13:04] matey i know [13:04] leah the full wetting of the joint must occur within 2 seconds [13:05] matey /me just wants a robot that does it [13:05] leah i looked at pinecel, one of their review videos is of a guy soldering and he violates this rule. he has his tip on the joint for like 8 seconds. without flux either, and he gets a cold solder joint [13:05] leah that video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwvorvU5v4E [13:05] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=CwvorvU5v4E [13:05] matey ill design one, it wont last a year because of the shitty solder job on it :) [13:05] TR Bot yewtu.be | PINECIL - Soldering Iron w/a RISC-V Processor! - Invidious [13:06] matey but ill use it to solder a second one properly [13:06] leah matey: wanna see something cool? [13:06] matey of course [13:06] *psydruid makes a mateybot [13:06] matey good luck psydruid [13:06] psydruid thanks [13:07] leah matey: watch these two playlists, and note: they're from the year 1982, but everything said in the videos is still true today. physics hasn't changed [13:07] leah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIT4ra6Mo0s&list=PL926EC0F1F93C1837 [13:07] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vIT4ra6Mo0s [13:07] TR Bot yewtu.be | Basic Soldering Lesson 1 - "Solder & Flux" - Invidious [13:07] leah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKX-GBe_lUI&list=PL958FF32927823D12 [13:07] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=HKX-GBe_lUI [13:07] TR Bot yewtu.be | PACE Rework and Repair Lessons - "Introduction" - Invidious [13:07] matey /me remembers 1982 [13:07] matey a little bit [13:07] leah yeah watch the videos [13:07] *psydruid got plenty of practice soldering in his teens [13:07] matey watching [13:07] leah they'll teach you the best, most fundamental soldering technique [13:07] leah don't let the fact that they're old fool you. these videos are reference material [13:08] leah i always tell people learning soldering to start with these videos [13:08] matey oh i learned from someone who worked for some defence contractors [13:08] matey im just not a very good student [13:08] matey trust me, they knew what they were doing [13:08] leah then for smd / bga stuff, that can be learned from other resources. but you should always start at the beginning, with the very basics. and the pace videos are great [13:08] leah pace also has great videos on their channel about multi-layer board repair [13:08] matey leah: we had a piece of a space station in our basement [13:09] matey and a spyplane [13:09] leah btw [13:09] leah the videos only talk about lead solder. that's how old they are [13:09] leah these videos are *pre-rohs* [13:09] matey thats what i worked with [13:09] leah lol [13:09] leah lead-free solder didn't exist when these videos were made [13:09] matey i know [13:09] leah never use lead-free [13:09] matey we used a fan to blow away any smoke [13:10] matey you dont like tin whiskers? [13:10] leah you get better joints with lead stuff [13:11] matey this chat is brought to you by: lead [13:11] *kingoffrance picture of saturn with scythe [13:11] leah just use a fan and an extractor, and wear a mask with a bit of tissue [13:11] matey too late for the mask i guess [13:11] leah and leave all the windows open [13:12] leah then lead solder is fine [13:12] matey but i didnt do a lot of soldering [13:12] matey "i dont usually solder, but when i do, i use a fan to keep the poisonous smoke away" [13:12] leah also, wear nitrile gloves [13:12] leah and wash your hands afterwards when you're done [13:12] matey /me just used soap and water [13:12] matey fortuately i did very little soldering [13:13] matey put together a few kits [13:13] matey made a flashlight with leds [13:13] matey /me waited 10 or 15 years to make a blue led so we could have rgb, cmon [13:14] matey they had infrared ones all this time, was it really that hard to coat them to make a blue one? [13:15] TR News Free/Libre alternatives to GAFAMs Internet is the title of this talk http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/gafam-talk/ [13:15] TR Bot Replacing GAFAM (Pentagon-Connected Companies) With Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights [13:16] TR News Cult gone MAD. USA thinks it's Disneyland. https://www.maketecheasier.com/apple-adds-drivers-license-to-wallet/ [13:16] TR Bot Apple Adds Driver's License Feature to Wallet in Arizona - Make Tech Easier [13:16] TR News "Officer, I don't have my licence with me... here's a spying device you can use to link to a computer database". This is NOT progress. [13:17] matey i wanted to do electronics, then i got a computer [13:17] matey turns out im not a hardware person [13:18] TR News Maybe you should try to give ACTUAL education? https://uk.news.yahoo.com/massive-inequality-education-dedicated-volunteer-090000002.html [13:18] TR Bot 'There is massive inequality in education' - dedicated volunteer in running for Scotswoman of the Year [13:18] leah i only started soldering in 2018 [13:18] leah you can learn [13:18] TR News 1. Delete Windows. 2. Install GNU/Linux (hint: it won't cost a thing, but you lose all the malware) https://dekisoft.com/make-windows-11-look-like-linux/ [13:18] Alternative link Cloudflare: dekisoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dekisoft.com/make-windows-11-look-like-linux/ [13:18] TR Bot Ways To Make Windows 11 Look Like Linux (Ubuntu/Mint) - DekiSoft [13:18] matey ive ridden a horse too [13:19] matey no interest in doing that again [13:19] schestowitz-TR the horse is not interested either [13:19] matey hey you dont know that [13:19] matey but yeah probably not [13:20] matey i was very lightweight at the time [13:20] matey even more than tobey macguire [13:20] TR News Apple attacks standards. And then fools rush to ameliorate the situation. https://www.noobslab.com/2022/03/convert-apple-music-to-mp3-pazu-apple.html [13:20] TR Bot Apple Music to MP3 - Pazu Apple Music Converter for Mac and Windows - NoobsLab | Eye on Digital World [13:20] matey still i dont think its their favourite pastime [13:21] TR News It's not protest, it is malware, and it was shipped by the same platform you are shilling for Microsoft, OSI https://opensource.org/open-source-protestware-harms-open-source [13:21] TR Bot Open source protestware harms Open Source | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source... [13:22] TR News OSI = Microsoft outpost http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/ [13:22] TR Bot Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights [13:22] matey and we didnt have horses or any fancy shit like that [13:22] matey this was at camp [13:23] TR News GulagTube tolerate by land of hundred gulags https://time.com/6156927/youtube-russia-ukraine-disinformation/ [13:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: time.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://time.com/6156927/youtube-russia-ukraine-disinformation/ [13:23] TR Bot YouTube Has Survived Russias Social Media Crackdown | Time [13:23] matey we had just enough land for a dog or two [13:23] schestowitz-TR I still have some photos of me on hroses [13:23] schestowitz-TR my bodyweight was a lot less back then [13:24] matey i feel bad for whatever poor bastard had to carry ben franklin [13:25] schestowitz-TR they had slaves back then [13:25] matey i dont think ben franklin rode on a slave [13:25] schestowitz-TR try to tell them horses don't become food the moment they stopped carrying humans [13:25] schestowitz-TR they thought of "some" humans the same way [13:25] schestowitz not just one [13:26] schestowitz "Franklin owned slaves from as early as 1735 until 1781. The Franklin household had six slaves;" [13:26] schestowitz Six [13:26] schestowitz HE HAD SIX [13:27] matey i think the most shocking thing about it is that they didnt free them when they wrote the constitution [13:27] matey i know there was talk of abolition [13:28] matey i know they coudlnt make it happen with the south [13:28] matey but what was the logic [13:28] matey oh well, if we cant abolish slavery for everyone [13:28] matey we can make the most of this crappy situaiton by keeping our own slaves at least? [13:28] matey its weird [13:29] matey but then you said [13:29] matey until 1781 [13:29] matey so franklin at least... [13:29] schestowitz-TR franklin: i am not bad [13:29] schestowitz-TR I only had six [13:29] schestowitz-TR I could afford a lot more [13:29] schestowitz-TR I stopped at six [13:29] schestowitz-TR and I had no sex with them [13:30] schestowitz-TR iirc, some had dozens [13:30] schestowitz-TR past presidents [13:30] matey so the drafting of the constitution began in 1787 [13:30] matey owning slaves was common [13:31] matey england used to have them as well [13:31] matey and really, the situation with servants in england even in 1900 wasnt super-great [13:31] matey until the labour party existed, [13:31] TR News "However, as a beginning, we often have problems choosing the best educational journey, and we usually wind up squandering a substantial amount of time trying to figure out which resource is the best." https://www.unixmen.com/ways-to-learn-python-fast-efficiently/ [13:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: unixmen.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unixmen.com/ways-to-learn-python-fast-efficiently/ [13:31] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.unixmen.com/ways-to-learn-python-fast-efficiently/ ) [13:31] matey it wasnt slavery, it was a step up at least [13:31] matey anyway [13:32] matey when they were writing the constitution, they did talk of abolishing slavery [13:32] matey they couldnt get the south to agree [13:32] TR News "Windows 10 and Windows 11 users, you need to take immediate action. A serious vulnerability has been discovered in both platforms which Microsoft has not only failed to patch, but actually made worse. Heres everything you need to know." https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/ http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/vista-11-bleeding/ [13:32] Alternative link Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/ [13:32] matey but this was in 1787 [13:32] TR Bot Microsoft Just Gave A Billion Users A Reason To Quit Windows [13:32] TR Bot Windows is Dying Despite Vista 11 Hype | Techrights [13:32] matey and franklin freed his slaves (i guess) years before that even [13:32] matey jefferson on the other hand, i dont know when/if he did [13:33] kingoffrance well, not advocating it, but imagine you were told xyz source code would be released, and you can see it on your taxes the next x years [13:33] TR News "In kernel version 5.17, both /dev/random and /dev/urandom have been replaced with a new identical algorithm based on the BLAKE2 hash function, which is an excellent security improvement." Is Bruce Schneier still using Windows? https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/linux-improves-its-random-number-generator.html [13:33] TR Bot Improves Its Random Number Generator - Schneier on Security [13:34] TR News Networking for 5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220323180738.3978487-1-kuba@kernel.org/ [13:34] TR Bot [GIT PULL] Networking for 5.18 - Jakub Kicinski [13:35] matey i think the main thing is [13:35] matey it was practiced [13:35] TR News drm for 5.18-rc1 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAPM=9tytg5jd_i3z3C5Y1dii2-cgO11Gjgvaq8qoWn3CGfCreg@mail.gmail.com/ [13:35] TR Bot [git pull] drm for 5.18-rc1 - Dave Airlie [13:35] matey it was a really stupid, horrible practice [13:35] matey and eventually it was done away with, as it should have been sooner [13:35] TR News Crypto Update for 5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/Yje766s7fIqYg1Tk@gondor.apana.org.au/ [13:35] TR Bot [GIT PULL] Crypto Update for 5.18 - Herbert Xu [13:36] matey i cant fathom how anyone thought it was ok in the first place [13:36] matey people might say the same about capitalism someday [13:36] kingoffrance because pharoah was king of astrology [13:37] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [13:39] TR News 7 Reasons to Try Open Source Secure Messenger Threema Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162940 [13:39] TR Bot 7 Reasons to Try Open Source Secure Messenger 'Threema' | Tux Machines [13:40] TR News KDE neon 20220324 https://neon.kde.org/ [13:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: kde.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://neon.kde.org/ [13:40] TR Bot KDE neon [13:41] TR News SmartOS 20220324 released http://smartos.org/ [13:41] TR Bot Joyent [13:42] matey because pharoah was king of astrology <- and wishful thinking [13:42] TR News "Ready to dive into a long strategy game this weekend? Humble Bundle has the "Europa Universalis IV Complete Collection" available in a nice bundle. Not entirely complete though, since one of them is a 10% discount but it's good enough to be mostly complete." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/europa-universalis-iv-complete-collection-available-on-humble-bundle/ [13:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/europa-universalis-iv-complete-collection-available-on-humble-bundle/ [13:42] TR Bot Universalis IV Complete Collection available on Humble Bundle | GamingOnLinux [13:42] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162941 [13:42] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [13:43] kingoffrance well, now its east vs west, so same old, anyways... [13:44] matey nothing new under the sun god [13:45] kingoffrance yes! [13:46] kingoffrance tell us about these defense contractors [13:46] matey i could tell you but then... [13:46] kingoffrance woz said (dont quote me, see videos yourself) transistors came about because military/air force needed them. that is what made them affordable/mainstream anyways [13:46] kingoffrance no, i mean tech [13:47] matey grace hopper worked for them too [13:47] psydroid2 amazing grace hopper [13:48] matey this was before i was born [13:48] matey after i was born it was strictly telecom industry [13:48] kingoffrance << we had a piece of a space station in our basement and a spyplane [13:48] matey yep [13:48] matey we did [13:49] matey id say which ones, but that would pretty much say where i grew up [13:50] MinceR a "free speech extremist" supporting a dictator well known to have violated free speech many times, violently. how curious. [13:50] matey crystalmath compartmentalises a little [13:52] matey kingoffrance if i told you what i saw you wouldnt be very impressed [13:52] matey the most impressive part about it ive already said [13:52] kingoffrance nah, im just wondering types of computers/software/environment [13:52] matey i can tell you what i used at least [13:52] kingoffrance that sort of thing, what everyone thought was just aroundt he corner [13:52] matey i learned how to code on a pcjr [13:52] kingoffrance or would be the next thing [13:53] matey after that it was generic intel stuff [13:53] psydroid2 I was born during the days of grace hopper and I must say everything she did was simply amazing [13:53] matey props to letterman for having her on the show [13:53] MinceR 24 060623 < matey> Ariadne alpine is based on something other than gnu libc right? [13:53] MinceR it's based on musl libc [13:54] matey mincer i thought it was musl [13:54] psydroid2 was she ever on his show? [13:54] matey look up grace hopper letterman on youtube [13:55] matey my question is if musl can be compiled with tinycc [13:55] matey or if it needs gcc/llvm [13:55] matey obviously newer versions of linux wont compile with tinycc, but old ones will [13:55] matey mincer: the gist of it was trying to figure out how much activelow is reproducting alpine [13:55] matey its definitely not the same [13:56] matey so im trying to figure out the degree of overlap [13:57] matey alpine would never use an older kernel just to avoid llvm, afaik [13:58] kingoffrance im not sure, i thought activelow was using gentoo somewhat, at least to ease bootstrap [13:59] matey right, i think so ● Mar 24 [14:00] matey that sort of thing, what everyone thought was just aroundt he corner <- imo i made better predictions than my predecessor [14:00] matey and at a much younger age [14:01] kingoffrance go on... [14:01] matey he made more profitable (and immediately useful) predictions [14:01] matey kingoffrance i predicted fpgas, thumbdrives, and flac [14:02] matey also blue leds i suppose [14:02] MinceR matey: activelow's is the only distro i know of that deliberately sticks to an old version of Linux, or an old version of gcc [14:02] matey MinceR for the same reason [14:02] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:02] matey to avoid c++ to compile c [14:02] MinceR in general, people are too wary of security holes to do something like that [14:03] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:03] matey in general, people are too wary of security holes <- yes [14:03] matey to be fair [14:03] matey or should i say generous [14:03] matey people have the same concern about palemoon [14:03] XRevan86 Or maybe of the various performance implications. [14:04] matey according to moonchild, backporting security fixes isnt THAT hard [14:04] matey but a browser isnt a kernel [14:04] matey then again, firefox might as well be an os [14:04] XRevan86 TinyCC is just as nave as one might think it is. [14:05] psydroid2 what is the problem with it? [14:05] XRevan86 psydroid2: If it has optimisations, I couldn't find any. [14:06] XRevan86 Linux is written assuming a compiler that optimises. [14:06] psydroid2 how much difference does optimisation make for standard code? [14:07] psydroid2 a compiler could optimise by default, couldn't it? [14:07] psydroid2 or is that considered risky? [14:07] XRevan86 psydroid2: There's no such thing as "standard code", depending on luck the compiled code might be extremely slow. [14:08] XRevan86 psydroid2: The point is that TinyCC just can't, it's too simplistic. [14:08] psydroid2 XRevan86, same as that I don't know if Linux can be considered so "special" that it needs those optimisations [14:09] XRevan86 psydroid2: "-O2" is not usually considered special. [14:09] psydroid2 I would like to see some benchmarks for code compiled using TinyCC, GCC, Clang, PCC and other compilers [14:10] psydroid2 sometimes a faster compiler may be preferrable and sometimes a better optimising compiler [14:10] psydroid2 preferable* [14:10] matey https://colfaxresearch.com/compiler-comparison/ [14:10] TR Bot A Performance-Based Comparison of C/C++ Compilers | Colfax Research [14:10] TR News Nala: A Beautiful and Structured Frontend for the APT Command - TREND OCEANS

Read more [14:10] TR Bot Nala: A Beautiful and Structured Frontend for the APT Command - TREND OCEANS [14:11] matey https://davmac.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/c-compiler-benchmarks/ [14:11] TR Bot C Compiler Benchmarks Software is Crap [14:11] TR News GNU/Linux is better at security, it's not designed to have back doors https://unixcop.com/linux-is-virus-proof-really/ [14:11] TR Bot Linux is Virus Proof! Really? - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials [14:12] XRevan86 psydroid2: The fact is that it will definitely underperform, just how badly to know that one would need to actually try. [14:12] TR News Nala: A Beautiful and Structured Frontend for the APT Command - TREND OCEANS https://trendoceans.com/nala-package-manager/ [14:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: trendoceans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://trendoceans.com/nala-package-manager/ [14:13] psydroid2 I wonder if there are any numbers for TinyCC and PCC [14:13] XRevan86 psydroid2: Imagine taking millions of lines of code and throwing them into an environment that is definitely not doing enough. [14:13] psydroid2 activelow might have some data for us [14:13] matey https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/fastest/c.html [14:13] TR Bot C gccvsC clang - Which programs are fastest? [14:14] XRevan86 Not only will there be unexpected problems, there will also be expected problems. [14:14] TR News Arduino Braccio++ robotic arm is designed for high-school and university students - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/24/arduino-braccio-robotic-arm-is-designed-for-high-school-and-university-students/ [14:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/24/arduino-braccio-robotic-arm-is-designed-for-high-school-and-university-students/ [14:14] TR Bot Arduino Braccio++ robotic arm is designed for high-school and university students - CNX Software [14:14] XRevan86 It's just a guaranteed bad idea without a team of competent people who are ready to fix all of this. [14:15] XRevan86 If activelow were willing to add the missing pieces to tinycc, it would have been one thing, but even with C standard compliance he picks crippling Linux. [14:16] psydroid2 so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times? [14:16] matey psydroid2 https://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust [14:16] TR Bot timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust ) [14:16] TR News "But also when constructing a RAID each NVMe gives around 300-600 MB/s in sync speed except for one exception: RAID1." https://blog.windfluechter.net/2022/03/24/new-server-nvme-issues/ [14:16] TR Bot New Server NVMe Issues WindfluechterNet Blog [14:17] XRevan86 psydroid2: Before Clang came about, it was just GCC. It's not like it's impossible to write another compiler m [14:17] matey that might explain his interest in tinycc [14:18] psydroid2 I wonder what's a state-of-the-art book on compiler construction [14:18] psydroid2 other than the one my professor co-wrote [14:18] TR News ICBM has turned Red Hat into clown clown clown https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-insights-whats-new-early-2022 [14:19] TR Bot Red Hat Insights: What's new in early 2022 [14:19] matey https://drh.github.io/lcc/ http://www.cpm.z80.de/small_c.html [14:19] TR Bot lcc, A Retargetable Compiler for ANSI C [14:19] TR Bot SMALL C Files [14:19] psydroid2 not that I would want to deal with that now, but it looks interesting [14:19] XRevan86 It's like if he complains about vendor lock-in in the transmission, and wants to replace it with a stick. [14:20] XRevan86 The instrument is too shit, give up. [14:20] TR News "Okay you might ask, whats the news here? Weve been able to get HTTP response headers with curl since virtually the stone age. Yes we have." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/easier-header-picking-with-curl/ [14:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/easier-header-picking-with-curl/ [14:20] TR Bot header-picking with curl | daniel.haxx.se [14:23] XRevan86 psydroid2, matey: "so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times?" <- Ye two treat him as if he is some mad genius that is trying to write a pure C compiler. [14:23] XRevan86 He just takes existing abandonware and complains that Linux doesn't compile with it. [14:24] psydroid2 XRevan86, I don't treat him like that at all, I just want to know what his findings are [14:24] psydroid2 I would never do what he is doing [14:24] XRevan86 psydroid2: I didn't see any new reports, so I'm assuming he's still on the "Linux doesn't compile" stage. [14:24] matey psydroid2, matey: "so people should stick with GCC and Clang at all times?" <- Ye two treat him as if he is some mad genius that is trying to write a pure C compiler. <- not at all [14:25] matey he could be a total hack, it wouldnt matter [14:25] matey im not switching back to gnu/linux [14:25] XRevan86 matey: From what? [14:25] matey openbsd [14:26] XRevan86 matey: OpenBSD is GCC/Clang only for the same exact reason. [14:26] matey i understand that [14:26] XRevan86 ctivelow could've said the exact same things about OpenBSD. [14:26] matey XRevan86 youre making assumptions about motivations here that are reasonable, but incorrect [14:26] XRevan86 His target just happened to be Linux. [14:27] matey ctivelow could've said the exact same things about OpenBSD. <- he already has [14:27] matey imo his dismissal of bsd is silly [14:27] matey but [14:27] matey hes doing his thing [14:27] XRevan86 There isn't an OS kernel that willingly limits itself to what one shitty compiler can do. [14:28] matey how come all the non-shitty c compilers require c++ [14:28] matey that seems odd [14:28] TR News 10 Free and Open Source Audio Programming Languages Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162942 [14:28] TR Bot 10 Free and Open Source Audio Programming Languages | Tux Machines [14:28] XRevan86 matey: Seems like that's how the cookie crumbled. [14:28] activelow XRevan86: wrong, it was OpenBSD first to re-consider compilers, and verified portable c compiler (pcc) [14:29] TR News Budibase: An Open-Source Low-Code Platform to Build Modern Business Apps Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162943 [14:29] TR Bot Budibase: An Open-Source Low-Code Platform to Build Modern Business Apps | Tux Machines [14:29] XRevan86 activelow: What happen afterwards? [14:29] XRevan86 happened [14:30] activelow not entirely sure; besides it was x86 they succeeded with, hardware i will not touch ever again in my life anyway [14:30] activelow similar situation with TinyCC, which some developer from Suse (susematz), verified he could compile Linux-4.4 with it (not all of it though) [14:30] XRevan86 I suspect that PCC's development stalled, it became a burden and was yeeted from OpenBSD eventually. [14:31] activelow I suspect, both TinyCC and PCC were stable compilers already, yet this wasn't good enough for some certain people [14:31] XRevan86 (for some certain everyone) [14:32] kingoffrance i will believe at some point, if only for ports...browsers and other things need c++. so they would have to maintain/port gcc/clang/whatever [14:32] kingoffrance *i suspect that at some point [14:32] kingoffrance so then it becomes maintain one or two? [14:32] activelow same with GCC which was stabilized decades ago, and then was "improved" upon regularly, to support a shitload of proprietary hardware extensions [14:32] TR News 6 Android Games that dont need the Internet to play https://linuxtechlab.com/6-android-games-that-dont-need-the-internet-to-play/ [14:32] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxtechlab.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxtechlab.com/6-android-games-that-dont-need-the-internet-to-play/ [14:32] TR Bot Android Games that dont need the Internet to play - LinuxTechLab [14:33] activelow kingoffrance: chances are a huge amount of userspace can be compiled without c++ too, including GTK/netsurf-browser/Xorg [14:33] kingoffrance true, i remember when pcc was talked, just my theory why it was "abandoned" [14:33] kingoffrance *talked about. sorry typo mania today [14:34] kingoffrance i didnt really use openbsd, but remember that [14:34] XRevan86 kingoffrance: GCC was a C++ compiler too even when it was written in C. [14:34] kingoffrance sure, im saying why the pcc plan went nowhere [14:34] matey GCC was a C++ compiler too even when it was written in C <- originally gnu c compiler [14:34] matey now gnu compiler collection [14:35] matey youre saying it did c++ even when it was the gnu c compiler? [14:35] TR News "Exploration attracted me to Gemini. I delighted in the spaces people created - each corner unique - a window onto another life without the blandness of a platform. For me, it re-kindled the early web." gemini://caolan.uk/desk/2021-03-04_gemini_in_tension.gmi [14:35] XRevan86 matey: pre-4.8 obviously. [14:36] matey oh of course [14:37] activelow there is various practical issues, to provide a glimpse, what i am struggling with [14:37] matey but c is, unless im wrong [14:37] matey a much simpler language than c++ [14:37] matey to implement [14:37] TR News "...and Spartan was mentioned, so I tried implementing that in my client. There are a few servers running, so there was some content to look at. It's pretty straightforward. Besides TLS, there are a few differences from Gemini, but they're simple enough" gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-02-21_Trying_Spartan.gmi [14:37] matey so implementing c++ in c is hardly the same as implementing c in c++ [14:37] matey in terms of overhead [14:37] activelow for example: the ARM SBC i got to work with require a recent kernel and u-boot loader version, which builds a dependency graph [14:37] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ZkWpCFxgs [14:37] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A1ZkWpCFxgs [14:37] TR Bot yewtu.be | Cat cleaning herself on the wall is very affectionate and cute - Invidious [14:37] *CrystalMath (~coderain@fjnua4vbj783q.irc) has joined #techrights [14:37] matey and bootstrapping [14:38] activelow meaning, although i can compile kernel and userspace with gcc-4.7 (or TinyCC), i do need an aarch64 kernel and recent u-boot; gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64 [14:38] XRevan86 matey: Indeed, but it is still not a small feat, also evident by the fact that there is no other C compiler out there that would compete with GCC and Clang. [14:38] XRevan86 (activelow is welcome to write one) [14:38] activelow a recent u-boot loader version introduced some dependency against python/swift ... which is written in c++; so to compile this new u-boot loader i need yet another cross-compiler [14:39] matey also evident by the fact <- its not just a matter of possibility <- why would they bother [14:40] activelow then i was thinking, to acquire some old aarch32 SBC to work with, however there isn't almost any shipped anymore [14:40] matey whats the incentive to create a compiler that competes with gcc or clang? [14:40] matey if theres no incentive, it hardly matters whether its possible or not [14:41] activelow TinyCC (which was more actively maintained recently) is fast, it was known to be capable to bootstrap GCC [14:41] activelow just one issue, since the bootstrapping of GCC arrived at a dead end too [14:41] matey it was devloped from 2001 to 2012, abandoned, and interest has picked up again [14:41] TR News "Gaijin Entertainment's online combat game War Thunder has another massive upgrade with 'Wind of Change' out now bringing in lots of enhancements." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/war-thunder-major-update-wind-of-change-out-now [14:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/war-thunder-major-update-wind-of-change-out-now [14:41] XRevan86 "fast" as in "fast to compile" is not what people want the compiler to be "fast" about. [14:41] TR Bot Thunder major update 'Wind of Change' out now | GamingOnLinux [14:41] matey "fast" as in "fast to compile" is not what people want the compiler to be "fast" about. <- its what activelow wants [14:42] TR News "Voidpoint has confirmed that while they're deep in development on Ion Fury: Aftershock, it won't be releasing soon." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/ion-fury-aftershock-expansion-gets-delayed-with-no-set-date-now [14:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/ion-fury-aftershock-expansion-gets-delayed-with-no-set-date-now [14:42] TR Bot Fury: Aftershock expansion gets delayed with no set date now | GamingOnLinux [14:42] activelow compile-time TinyCC isn't only fast, it is blazing fast, and runtime-performance is good; TinyCC operates at the sweet spot of the trade-off between compile-time optimization and run-time performance [14:42] psydroid2 "not needing much memory" is something I want [14:42] activelow TinyCC is ~10x faster compile-time [14:43] activelow PCC reported similar results [14:43] psydroid2 because with only 2 GB of RAM in my Orange Pi I just can't compile some things such as Linux or Racket on the hardware itself [14:43] matey the arguments i hear against tinycc remind me too much of the ones against python 2 [14:43] activelow psydroid2: wrong, you can, even with gcc, although that's not fun anymore to do [14:43] matey i have no use for python 3-- ive used it extensively [14:44] matey i might as well use another language, if python 3 is the only option [14:44] psydroid2 activelow, it wouldn't work with even 1 job for me [14:44] matey activelow, it wouldn't work with even 1 job for me <- psydroid: what wouldnt [14:44] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162944 [14:44] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:44] psydroid2 so maybe I am doing something wrong, but I haven't built a kernel on that machine in years [14:44] activelow i can compile an entire distro/firmware image on an a53 quadcore with 1GiB RAM; with gcc-4.7 [14:44] psydroid2 matey, build a kernel for the hardware on the hardware itself [14:45] matey python 2 vs 3 vs users https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/pub/new-dawn.en.html [14:45] TR Bot ::[FSFLA]:: A New Dawn for Software Freedom [14:45] matey right [14:45] psydroid2 well, I don't have gcc 4.7 anymore [14:45] matey psydroid2: did you notice when leah said there are 10 versions of gnu libc being maintained? [14:45] activelow anyway, yesterday, i hit another bug, since gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64 and the ARM SBC i got requires an aarch64 kernel [14:46] matey why would there even need to be 10 [14:46] matey unless theyre breaking things that dont need to be broken? [14:46] psydroid2 matey, I must have missed that [14:46] matey i appreciate that theyre not simply dropping support where its needed [14:46] activelow i compiled an aarch64 kernel with an aarch32 userspace on top; however with this setup i am hitting a nasty bug with nilfs2 userspace utilities [14:46] matey but its also disturing that its needed! [14:46] activelow another few days debugging [14:46] matey leah says this means its fails at its mission of being a portable library [14:47] matey which might be a bit harsh (slightly untrue) but still [14:47] activelow and this type of bugs and problems are the ones, which lectured a lesson here; to refrain from git-pull anything anymore [14:47] psydroid2 I don't think there is any software that is developed in a portable way from the very beginning [14:47] activelow the other one, i'll have a look at today, is GCC/linker adding stuff non-reproducible, which it should not need not [14:48] TR News GNOME 42 Released! See Whats New in the Desktop of Ubuntu 22.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162912#comment-33176 [14:48] TR Bot GNOME 42 Desktop Environment Is Out with New Screenshot UI, GTK4 Apps, and Dark Mode | Tux Machines [14:48] psydroid2 things are still very x86-centric (and these days ARM-centric) [14:48] matey unix was developed in a portable way from the very beginning [14:48] matey but that was 40 years ago [14:48] psydroid2 it's why I have kept hardware on multiple architectures around [14:49] psydroid2 but I remember all the bus errors I got on SPARC [14:49] psydroid2 and in my QEMU Alpha machine the alignment fixups in the kernel due to a "suboptimal" userland [14:50] matey qemu: same author as tinyc [14:50] matey tinycc [14:50] activelow so, instead of implementing some missing asm processing for TinyCC (to compile musl-libc/kernel etc.); i am wasting my time with nonsense problems [14:51] matey and that answers my question from earlier [14:51] matey will tinycc compile musl [14:51] matey no [14:51] activelow and i already know why that is [14:52] activelow because TinyCC needs to process some ASM, which some opcodes are not supported for with aarch32; and aar64 ASM processing isn't implemented at all with TinyCC yet [14:53] activelow nonetheless, if there was any high priority task, maintenance of TinyCC is one of such [14:53] TR News "[00:02:00] Jorge is into Flatpak. And theres quite a lot to talk about here. This is very much about the Linux desktop, distribution of applications, and how things have changed; stuff has certainly happened since the last time we looked at this, and its worth getting into. Lets talk about what flatpak means today" https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/03/24/3x43/ [14:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: badvoltage.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.badvoltage.org/2022/03/24/3x43/ [14:53] TR Bot 343: Self Assembly | Bad Voltage [14:53] activelow including compilation of Linux kernel with it; bootstrapping/compiling gcc-4.7 (which was verified by some other project already) [14:53] activelow compilation of u-boot loader with TinyCC; integration with gentoo tooling or any other maintenance scripting [14:54] activelow matey: and they real showstopper to re-think TinyCC or any other is this, *hardware* support [14:55] activelow since, ARM (aarch64 and aarch32) are both proprietary closed-source hardware [14:55] activelow which means, anytime some Errata with ARM potentially can kill a man-year of development effort [14:57] matey but when has that ever happened? [14:57] TR News Linux gaming is better than Windows sometimes - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=i9Op7Xa5eKs [14:57] TR Bot Linux gaming is better than Windows sometimes - Invidious [14:57] activelow matey: yes. [14:57] TR News Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945 [14:57] TR Bot Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines [14:58] matey no, i mean when [14:58] matey one example evem [14:58] matey n [14:58] activelow there is a long list of ARM Errata (coped with by kernel, simply see make menuconfig) and gcc manpage [14:58] matey when has a man-year of dev effort been killed by this [14:59] activelow and with X86/X86_64 the spectre/meltdown fuckery [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 45.43 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 241.53 ● Mar 24 [15:00] XRevan86 https://smbc-comics.com/comic/dunno [15:00] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Dunno [15:02] matey ok so youre saying [15:02] matey arm is just as vulnerably as x86 in this regard [15:03] matey /me gives up on typing [15:03] TR News Education International, ITUC and the Global Push to inject the 4IR and Transhumanism into Schools https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/investigative-series/education-international-and-the-global-push-to-inject-the-4ir-and-transhumanism-into-schools/ [15:03] Alternative link Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/investigative-series/education-international-and-the-global-push-to-inject-the-4ir-and-transhumanism-into-schools/ [15:03] TR Bot Education International, ITUC and the Global Push to inject the 4IR and Transhumanism into Schools [15:04] MinceR everything that does speculative execution is vulnerable to "the spectre/meltdown fuckery" [15:04] TR News Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 5 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-5 [15:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-0-alpha-5 [15:04] matey /me nods [15:04] TR Bot Godot Engine - Dev snapshot: Godot 4.0 alpha 5 [15:04] TR News Shattered Pixel Dungeon arrives on Steam eight years later | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/shattered-pixel-dungeon-arrives-on-steam-eight-years-later [15:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/shattered-pixel-dungeon-arrives-on-steam-eight-years-later [15:04] TR Bot Pixel Dungeon arrives on Steam eight years later | GamingOnLinux [15:04] matey okay [15:05] activelow it was only two examples, if any compiler had to target unstable/unreliable proprietary hardware [15:05] activelow btw. Airbus chose SPARC leon, which is opensource [15:06] activelow yet, TinyCC doesn't support sparc iirc, pcc does support sparc; [15:06] activelow in any case, i haven't got sparc hardware, nor am i willing to acquire such [15:07] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162946 [15:07] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [15:09] TR News WWW = spam. FOSSLife with LF connection links to zdnet webSPAM SPONSORED by LF. WWW = webspam source. Bought and paid for propaganda, for a diploma mill in this case. https://www.fosslife.org/linux-foundation-offers-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp [15:09] TR Bot Linux Foundation Offers Cloud-Native Developer Bootcamp [15:10] MinceR http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/catholic-converter.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/the-power-of-chrysler-compels-you/ ) [15:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/catholic-converter.jpg [15:10] TR Bot The power of Chrysler compels you [15:10] TR News The government can seize your messages in secret. Lawmakers want you to know if it does. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/22/government-can-seize-your-messages-secret-lawmakers-want-you-know-if-it-does/ publisher owned by a sociopath whose marriage collapsed due to leaks communications [15:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/22/government-can-seize-your-messages-secret-lawmakers-want-you-know-if-it-does/ [15:10] TR News Games: Europa Universalis, War Thunder, Godot 4.0 alpha 5, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162947 [15:10] TR Bot The government can seize your messages in secret. Lawmakers want you to know if it does. - The Washington Post [15:10] TR Bot Games: Europa Universalis, War Thunder, Godot 4.0 alpha 5, and More | Tux Machines [15:11] matey /me wants to meet whoever writes the urls for engrish [15:11] MinceR :) [15:11] matey i still remember the first time i saw that website, in 2003 or 2004 [15:11] TR News "I moved to Amsterdam in July 2021, and now that Ive had some time to settle in I thought Id share my thoughts on how its been so far. In short: I love it here!" https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.html Ariadne ^ [15:11] TR Bot The Netherlands so far [15:11] MinceR i think the page urls come from the caption and users can suggest captions [15:12] matey makes sense [15:12] matey no way one person could write all those [15:13] matey student centre, several yards from the information desk [15:13] matey friend of mine told me about it [15:13] matey couldnt stop giggling [15:13] TR News Qt for Android Automotive 6.2.4 released https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.2.4-released [15:13] Alternative link Cloudflare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-for-android-automotive-6.2.4-released [15:13] TR Bot Qt for Android Automotive 6.2.4 released [15:14] matey the first engrish i ever saw though was about 10-15 years earlier [15:14] TR News This is a Windows issue, not a "Linux" issue; in fact, WSL is clearly an attack on GNU/Linux https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lumen-security-research-reveals-threats-still-lurk-in-windows-subsystem-for-linux-301509340.html [15:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/lumen-security-research-reveals-threats-still-lurk-in-windows-subsystem-for-linux-301509340.html [15:14] TR Bot Lumen security research reveals threats still lurk in Windows Subsystem for Linux [15:14] matey japanese hairstylist, replaced the "sprite" button on the vending machine [15:15] matey deliberately labelled it "splite" [15:15] MinceR :) [15:15] TR News WSL dangerous? GOOD! Than stop using it. Move to GNU/Linux instead. [15:16] matey im hoping that a hispanic hairstylist came in later [15:16] matey and relabelled it ESplite [15:17] matey or just "fanta" [15:17] MinceR or 7up [15:18] matey 7up was the one you wanted when you didnt want to be overpowered by the lemon and lime [15:18] matey if you wanted lemon lime you wanted sprite [15:18] MinceR lol [15:18] matey if you wanted to mix stuff you used 7up [15:18] matey then they ruined it [15:18] matey 7up is like a cloying sprite now [15:19] matey /me wants 7up classic [15:19] *MinceR wants pepsi wild cherry [15:19] matey of course i dont drink soda anymore [15:19] matey you cant get pepsi wild cherry? [15:19] MinceR i drink soda occasionally [15:19] matey oh youre in hungary [15:19] MinceR i can't get it anymore [15:19] matey they have mango now [15:19] matey i havent tried it [15:20] MinceR mango isn't nearly as good [15:20] MinceR also, i want nitro pepsi [15:20] matey i never thought mango and pepsi would go together [15:20] matey ive heard good things [15:26] matey get some grenadine and make your own cherry pepsi [15:26] MinceR grenadine is made from pomegranate, not cherry [15:26] MinceR it probably doesn't contain any benzaldehyde [15:27] matey and honey nut cheerios is flavoured with apricot pits, not nuts [15:27] matey but ive never tasted pomegranate in grenadine [15:28] matey i suppose you could just buy cherries and use the syrup [15:28] MinceR marzipan-persipan mix is nice too [15:28] matey never heard of persipan [15:28] MinceR well, i have cherry cordial, i could just drink that [15:28] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persipan [15:28] TR News Links 24/3/2022: Kernel Focus and Godot 4.0 Alpha 5 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/godot-4-0-alpha-5/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/godot-4-0-alpha-5/ [15:28] TR Bot Persipan - Wikipedia [15:28] TR Bot Links 24/3/2022: Kernel Focus and Godot 4.0 Alpha 5 | Techrights [15:28] matey it creeps me out that smirnof tastes exactly like what it says [15:29] TR News Proprietary Software and FUD Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162948 [15:29] TR Bot Proprietary Software and FUD | Tux Machines [15:29] matey the blueberry one tastes like blueberry [15:29] matey thats fucked [15:29] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162949 [15:29] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:29] matey they all taste exactly like they say [15:29] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162950 [15:29] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [15:29] matey how the fuck do they do that [15:29] matey and the unflavoured one tastes like vodka [15:30] MinceR :) [15:31] leah matey: it's not 10, i'm just approximating, but i know it's at least 3 [15:31] matey but 3 isnt such a crime [15:31] leah look for "bootstrap" scripts included in gnu projects [15:31] matey i hear theyre blobby [15:31] matey (whether true or not) [15:32] leah in any case, gnu coding standards is not something that we should still be using in 2022 [15:32] matey yeah i heard [15:32] matey something you and mjg agree on i think [15:32] leah btw fun fact bsd started in the 80s too, just like gnu did [15:32] matey oh i have a timeline, yes [15:32] leah at least i'm pretty sure it did [15:33] matey wait ill check the timeline [15:33] MinceR i thought BSD started in the 70s [15:33] matey * 2.9bsd becomes the first version of bsd that is a full operating system rather than a set of applications and patches [15:33] matey 1983 same year as gnu was announced [15:34] matey mincer: bsd started as patches [15:34] MinceR the set of applications and patches was called BSD too, and it's the ancestor of that :> [15:34] matey yes [15:34] matey gnu hurd started in 1990, one year before linux kernel [15:34] matey 92 was first freely licensed version of linux [15:35] matey 1994: * june: 4.4bsd-lite is a freely-distributable version of bsd following the settlement of the at&t lawsuit [15:35] matey thats the date that means the most [15:35] matey imo [15:35] matey then july of 96 first openbsd [15:36] TR News "I also have anxiety, just like anybody else. The recent company acquisition & reorganization, the COVID-19 pandemic, the upcoming general elections, or the Russian attack all make sure that once a problem is over, there is a new problem already to worry about." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/dealing-with-anxiety/ [15:36] TR Bot Dealing With Anxiety | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik [15:37] TR News "Do you know where your most-used files and directories are? Sure, there's more than a few commands you can run to find out, but ncdu is a great tool for this purpose. Using ncdu, you can scan your entire hard disk (or any mounted filesystem) and determine where your storage pain points are - and take action!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nj8HtCNYOsU [15:37] TR Bot Awesome Linux Tools - ncdu, Scan your Hard Disk and free up Space! - Invidious [15:38] matey then in 2011 rms retired as chief gnuisance but only halfway [15:39] matey in 2015 he pretty much abdicated completely [15:39] matey in 2018 his resignation was faked [15:39] matey then in 2021 he faked his return [15:40] matey or we will see [15:41] TR News More proprietary software: "Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-083-02 "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow arbitrary operating system commands injection." [15:41] TR Bot mySCADA myPRO | CISA [15:42] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO: "CENTUM and Exaopc have a DLL injection vulnerability and a DLL planting vulnerability using the DLL search order vulnerability. See this link for further details on this exploit type." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-083-01 [15:42] TR Bot Yokogawa CENTUM and Exaopc | CISA [15:50] TR News According to this, about 60% of the Web traffic in Poland comes from Android https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/poland/#monthly-200901-202203 [15:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: statcounter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/poland/#monthly-200901-202203 [15:50] TR Bot Operating System Market Share Poland | Statcounter Global Stats [15:51] MinceR http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/beans-gentlemen.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/hotel-menu-from-saudi-arabia/ ) [15:51] Alternative link Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/beans-gentlemen.jpg [15:51] TR Bot Hotel menu from Saudi Arabia [15:54] matey someone should do a distro where all the code names are based on engrish.com [15:54] matey gnu rinux 1.0 "beans gentleman" [15:55] MinceR :) [15:55] TR News ZDnet changed the site and removed company/brand names from the top menu. It used to be Microsoft placements and propaganda. Still, when they present Windows malware and ransomware they fail to mention the OS (unlike with Linux). This is how they craft propaganda for sponsors. [15:55] matey ive seriosuly thought about doing a distro just to promote openbsd [15:55] matey basically change as many things as possible to be openbsd like [15:56] matey include text explaining why linux is a dead end, and the odds of gnu being salvaged (even if it would be better if it were) [15:56] matey fortunately im too busy to bother [15:56] matey and id have to install gnu/linux on something first [15:56] TR News In case you are still in doubt and wrongly believe ZDNet is a news site, bear in mind the front end links to a "Product" and "Sales" page. This is what ZDNet actually is. [15:57] matey and ive already done that with void, void isnt what im looking for [15:58] matey its not the bsd-like gnu/linux that i want [15:58] TR News ZDNet says it "support[s] IT Professionals and Decision Makers in their IT Buying Cycle process. Whether they are in the early stages of investigating their options, or optimizing a solution, ZDNet supports them all the way through." So it's basically shilling, not news. [15:59] TR News ZDNet has a new section called "ZDNet Recommends" and it is basically a SPAM/Webspam section. Ads disguised as "Recommended". See http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/ [15:59] TR Bot The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights ● Mar 24 [16:00] activelow matey: openbsd too relies on specific hardware, and compilers, which navigated this project onto mined territory [16:00] matey i dont think openbsd is the final stage in building the perfect os [16:01] activelow perfect? this isn't what i am thinking. instead to bring back software quality which was available already, and destroyed. [16:01] matey its more of an emergency shelter (a nice one at that) from the wreckage of gnu/linux [16:01] TR News "Quite a few people asked me recently how I deal with anxiety. I seem to be less anxious than people around me. First of all: I also have anxiety, just like anybody else." https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/dealing-with-anxiety/ [16:01] TR Bot Dealing With Anxiety | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik [16:01] matey instead to bring back software quality which was available already, and destroyed. <- best of luck [16:01] matey i think your choice of kernel will doom it [16:02] matey but i think people ought to see your distro, maybe learn something [16:02] activelow i do need the gentoo/portage tooling for what i am doing, otherwise OpenBSD is a better choice than almost all Linux systems without any doubt [16:02] TR News Arduino Pro Portenta X8 is a tiny http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33177 [16:02] TR Bot Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines [16:03] matey cool [16:03] matey yeah it seems like gentoo is helping with your work [16:03] TR News Luigi Russolos Cacophonous Futures The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/luigi-russolos-cacophonous-futures/ [16:03] TR Bot Luigi Russolos Cacophonous Futures The Public Domain Review [16:04] activelow matey: ideally i could dispose the complicated tooling to track dependencies [16:04] activelow this isn't possible currently [16:08] matey i avoided the 3.x kernel for some time [16:08] schestowitz wow, 2.6? [16:08] matey even though 2.x had miserable support for hardware [16:08] matey because 2.x was so fast [16:10] schestowitz depends on the hardware [16:10] schestowitz and the use case [16:10] schestowitz most of the time I just use text editors [16:10] schestowitz and basic browser for posting [16:11] schestowitz if you revert back to some kde3 distro with 2.6.39 you might be OK [16:11] schestowitz and Qt3 [16:11] matey this was considerably faster on considerably older hardware [16:11] matey kde would not have been as fast on it [16:12] matey specifically kde3 [16:12] matey there were probably too many factors to weigh to be sure it was about the kernel itself [16:13] matey either way, i was content to use an older kernel for a while, just due to the incredible speed [16:13] matey think pentium ii [16:14] matey but in the long run i was willing to trade off some of the speed for hardware support [16:17] *gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:26] CrystalMath kernel 2.4 was better [16:26] CrystalMath no dynamic device numbers [16:30] *bnchs (~bnchs@56ufy7nfqdv3w.irc) has joined #techrights [16:30] bnchs hello [16:31] MinceR hay [16:33] bnchs schestowitz-TR: you talked about some manchester gulagtuber getting money for bullying homeless people on the street right? [16:33] schestowitz-TR yeah [16:33] schestowitz-TR new laws here soon [16:33] schestowitz-TR but many unintended consequences [16:33] bnchs well [16:34] bnchs you haven't talked about the "mukbang" gulagtubers [16:36] bnchs they encourage kids to eat large quantities of unhealthy food [16:37] bnchs and the most popular "mukbanger" is a fatass who already has diabetes and high blood pressure, who cant sleep without a vent [16:37] schestowitz-TR I never heard of that [16:37] schestowitz-TR in france they banned sites that encourage o r teach bulimia [16:38] schestowitz-TR maybe this goes under the same ategoryu [16:38] schestowitz-TR of eating disorders advocated [16:38] bnchs who of course, like dfc, is in a unhappy gay relationship [16:38] CrystalMath bnchs: there is nothing wrong with mukbang [16:39] CrystalMath people do it voluntarily [16:39] bnchs yes [16:39] bnchs they do it voluntarily [16:39] bnchs and sometimes, for money [16:40] CrystalMath that's also voluntary [16:40] CrystalMath you can say no [16:41] bnchs and sometimes they encourage unhealthy eating [16:41] CrystalMath freedom of speech [16:41] bnchs yeah i know [16:41] CrystalMath i encourage unhealthy eating too [16:41] CrystalMath not overeating though, but i always say it doesn't matter if your diet is exclusively mcdonalds or the like [16:42] bnchs unhealthy as in overeating [16:42] bnchs not the food themselves [16:42] bnchs but the quantity [16:43] CrystalMath well that's fine too, freedom of speech [16:43] bnchs i didnt encourage sabatoging them [16:43] bnchs i only brought it to attention [16:44] CrystalMath i think it's terrible to conflate filming violence to something as innocent as mukbang [16:44] schestowitz-TR by, pay attention, I did not endorse that censorship in france :-) [16:44] schestowitz-TR I think it's a trickey situation [16:44] schestowitz-TR the internet as a whole is not healthy [16:44] schestowitz-TR *tricky [16:45] schestowitz-TR you could start with most extreme things [16:45] schestowitz-TR like beheading videos [16:45] schestowitz-TR and then work your way from there [16:45] schestowitz-TR 1. if this OK? [16:45] schestowitz-TR 2. and is THIS OK? [16:45] schestowitz-TR 3. ... [16:45] CrystalMath like a censorship race to the bottom? :S [16:45] CrystalMath i say allow everything [16:45] CrystalMath everything [16:45] bnchs CrystalMath: i'm not saying they should delete anything [16:46] bnchs its rather up to the user [16:46] schestowitz-TR sooner or later you realise the absolutes are inherently bad, as if life... nature is not pretty either when you start seeing animals ripping each other to pieces [16:46] bnchs to choose what they can filter for themselves [16:46] schestowitz-TR side story: when I was 15 opr 16 there was a site called rotten.com [16:47] schestowitz-TR I don't know what is is or does not [16:47] schestowitz-TR *now [16:47] schestowitz-TR but sometimes we as kids could not resist the temptation to check it out [16:47] schestowitz-TR it wasn't good for the mind [16:47] schestowitz-TR that was my first experience of the "gross Internet" [16:47] bnchs hmmm [16:50] bnchs yes i do think we should allow everything on the internet (even the things we usually dont agree with) [16:51] *isak has quit (connection closed) [16:52] bnchs but..... we should also be allowed to criticize them [16:52] *isak (~isak@dzzss3vg4xwbw.irc) has joined #techrights [16:57] bnchs CrystalMath: there is nothing wrong with mukbang [16:58] bnchs i just think its a bit weird [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 42.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 67.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 276.08 ● Mar 24 [17:02] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: siren) [17:03] CrystalMath i completely understand it though if a particular service (like youtube) does not want videos involving actual horrible violence [17:05] matey /me doesnt understand why anyone would want to watch someone engaged in a food-eating competition against themselves [17:06] matey but that in and of itself, meh [17:06] matey why its so fucking popular, thats the disturbing part [17:06] bnchs matey: yeah thats what i was talking about [17:06] matey i know [17:07] MinceR http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/caution-democracy.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/06/one-major-slip-and/ ) [17:07] Alternative link Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/caution-democracy.jpg [17:07] TR Bot One major slip, and [17:07] bnchs a guy who has all these health conditions from obesity and is in a unhappy relationship [17:07] bnchs and yet he still does mukbangs [17:07] bnchs but it is up to him to stop [17:08] matey oh i dont know [17:08] matey at that point his friends should stage an intervention [17:08] CrystalMath matey: i don't watch them, i just previously encountered people hating on it for no reason, and noticed they sound just like SJWs [17:08] TR News How many people in the UK decide to get a first COVID-19 jab? In other words, moving from uninterested to interested? About 4k per day. That's 120k per month, but the rates fall over time, so under 100k per month. For perspective, about 16 million Brits received none. [17:08] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162951 [17:08] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [17:08] matey CrystalMath: i dont know if its really for no reason [17:08] matey first of all its kind of disgusting [17:09] matey but thats very subjective i guess [17:09] matey and if we run youtube based on people taking offense, we both know where that will lead [17:09] bnchs CrystalMath: so hating on them is censorship right? [17:09] bnchs if we cant hate on anyone, is that censorship? [17:09] bnchs if we cant say how much we hate their content, is that also censorship? [17:10] matey i would think mukbang and mukbang-hate videos, in an extremely censorship-free world, would exist side by side [17:10] matey unless we redefine censorship to include hating on anyTHING [17:10] matey which is actually a very sjw-like position imo [17:10] matey this is youtube, a hate-free space [17:10] matey ok but i still hate mukb-- UH UH UH! [17:10] bnchs matey: i agree with that [17:11] matey its also sad that youtube doesnt let you just type in a list of things you want to filter-- without logging in [17:11] matey like -mukbang [17:12] matey which used to work [17:12] matey and might still work sometimes [17:13] bnchs -mukbang only exists in tag/keyword-based search engines [17:13] matey but then youtube isnt really a content distribution platform, its an information gathering platform [17:13] bnchs gulagtube's search engine is beyond that [17:13] bnchs its a biased engine [17:15] matey youtube is very slowly getting more like reddit [17:15] bnchs you cant express hate or criticism on yotube [17:15] bnchs youtube* [17:15] bnchs they removed dislikes [17:15] matey thats healthy [17:15] bnchs they filter comments automatically [17:16] matey a world where you cant criticise or question things [17:16] matey like television :) [17:16] matey or preschool [17:16] matey or television aimed at preschoolers [17:17] matey later it will be rebranded to happytube [17:17] psydruid I consider YouTube more and more a read-only medium [17:17] psydruid or watch-only [17:17] matey i had a youtube account until they added restrictions by country [17:17] matey i thought that was the antithesis of the internet [17:17] matey so i deleted my account [17:18] matey now i cant make one because i dont believe in giving them my phone number either [17:18] matey but thats web 2.5 for you [17:18] matey its like web 2.0 but it demands all your shit [17:18] matey in 2.0 you had the OPTION of giving them all your shit [17:19] matey but thats not enough now [17:19] matey we all have to submit to 2fu [17:19] matey because they want 2fu [17:20] CrystalMath bnchs: yeah you can hate, but i will speak against you then because you trip my SJW alarm [17:20] CrystalMath i didn't ban you or anything, i just disagreed [17:21] bnchs CrystalMath: that's fine [17:21] bnchs i didnt encourage censorship [17:21] bnchs i simply said how weird mukbang is [17:22] TR News UK Data: Over 17,000 in Hospital With COVID-19 and the Number Only Rises http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/24/uk-data-hospital/ [17:22] TR Bot Blog Archive UK Data: Over 17,000 in Hospital With COVID-19 and the Number Only Rises [17:23] matey /me wonders if hating on censorship will trip an sjw alarm [17:23] *gde33 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [17:25] bnchs CrystalMath: i wonder if talking shit about a person trips your SJW alarm [17:25] CrystalMath no [17:25] CrystalMath just when someone is overly protective of people [17:25] bnchs or a topic like mukbang? [17:25] bnchs CrystalMath: yeah thats my mistake [17:25] bnchs i shouldnt have said "it encourages [...]" [17:25] CrystalMath >>> SJW ALERT <<< [17:26] *MinceR manually trips all the alarms [17:26] *CrystalMath presses the button to turn it off [17:26] CrystalMath see, even that sentence activates it [17:26] MinceR "encourages" [17:26] bnchs yeah i get ig [17:28] bnchs i knew that sounded odd in my mind [17:34] *kingoffrance .oO( >>> SJW ALERT <<< weirdest command and conquer game ever ) [17:35] bnchs anyway tech time [17:35] bnchs why does gtk need a java-like "package id" [17:38] schestowitz-TR that term does not mean much, "sjw" [17:38] schestowitz-TR it's a straw man [17:38] schestowitz-TR for people to bark up (or down) some tree [17:38] schestowitz-TR better to describe the actual issue while bypassing such labels [17:39] schestowitz-TR for me, many who use the term in their vocab are misguided reformers [17:39] schestowitz-TR reformist views they're not [17:40] schestowitz-TR and those who use the term in a derogatory way against those people are digging their own grave [17:40] schestowitz-TR so the term became a trap [17:42] matey so the term became a trap <- everybody knows what it means [17:42] matey im still partial to "social chauvanists" [17:43] MinceR schestowitz-TR: do you prefer "crybully"? :> [17:43] schestowitz-TR it's also a leaded term [17:43] schestowitz-TR better say "trolls" [17:43] matey i think he prefers a neutral term like person [17:43] MinceR "troll" is very vague [17:43] MinceR "outragist" is also very vague [17:43] matey troll is very inspecific [17:43] bnchs yeah [17:44] matey i dont think its necessarily a bad thing to differentiate what type of trolling it is [17:44] bnchs sjw means social justice warrior [17:44] matey sjw is an extreme form of concern troll [17:44] schestowitz-TR those are contradicting terms [17:44] schestowitz-TR social justice should mean peace [17:44] schestowitz-TR not war [17:44] schestowitz-TR if you wage war on people [17:44] schestowitz-TR not likely you really want peace [17:45] schestowitz-TR you seek some destruction [17:45] schestowitz-TR iirc, leah came up with a better term [17:45] schestowitz-TR something like "diplomacy" [17:45] matey /me thinks this is just a lesson in not using a word that might lead someone to get the wrong idea [17:45] matey which isnt the same as it being meaningless [17:46] schestowitz-TR you can focus on the real issue [17:46] schestowitz-TR and let the "red hats" (MAGA) and pepe the frogs do the grave-digging of their own [17:46] matey ah yes [17:46] schestowitz-TR those cultural wars thrive in sociall control media [17:46] matey if you say sjw people might assume youre one of them [17:46] schestowitz-TR IRC tends to be people focused on common goals [17:46] schestowitz-TR the freenode/LC split was partly that [17:47] matey it would be a silly assumption, since the term predates them [17:47] matey but its "tainted" now [17:47] schestowitz-TR some sort of political divide more than a business divide [17:47] schestowitz-TR imagine techrights putting in the wrong page: [17:47] schestowitz-TR freedom warriors [17:47] matey baby, baby, baby, where did our terms go [17:47] schestowitz-TR sounds worse than "oath keepers" [17:47] schestowitz-TR or "proud boys" [17:48] schestowitz-TR we use the term esentry [17:48] schestowitz-TR rms suggested that term to m [17:48] schestowitz-TR me [17:48] schestowitz-TR but he borrowed it from a publication of JWs [17:48] schestowitz-TR it's more like a guarding towers [17:48] schestowitz-TR those cannot wage wars as they are stationary [17:48] psydruid baby baby iku go [17:48] schestowitz-TR so in effect they only protect from invading armies [17:49] matey yes towers are never used in warfare [17:49] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:49] schestowitz-TR matey: unless they're like a rail gun [17:49] *schestowitz-TR makes offsite copies of Stepanies Friedman photos [17:49] psydruid SJWs = Special JWs? [17:49] matey or a tesla ray [17:49] schestowitz-TR before they vanish [17:50] matey /me plays all along the watchtower [17:51] matey but you and i have been through that, and this is not our fate [17:51] matey so let us not speak falsely now, the hours getting late [17:51] bnchs hmmm [17:52] matey in effect they only protect from invading armies <- and from escaping prisons [17:53] matey which puts the jw publication in a more accurate light [17:53] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-66.jpg [17:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-21-memes-66.jpg [17:53] MinceR 24 184848 < schestowitz-TR> those cannot wage wars as they are stationary [17:53] bnchs starlink inflated their prices again [17:54] bnchs fuck [17:54] MinceR my experience with RTS-es states otherwise [17:54] kingoffrance towers are people too [17:54] matey rodents of tremdenous size? i dont think they exist [17:54] matey and theyre certainly not spelled that way [17:54] MinceR i remember that Red Alert skirmish game when i just built a chain of Tesla Coils to take over enemy bases [17:54] MinceR (sure, it also required multiple screenfuls of power plants, but i had the resources...) [17:55] bnchs i just got reminded that by tesla [17:55] matey /me wonders if cell phone towers can be used to target people using drones [17:55] bnchs matey: they can already be used to triangluate locations [17:56] bnchs if your phone's cell modem doesn't shut the fuck up [17:56] matey if its MY cell phone modem it probably wouldnt :) [17:56] bnchs yeah just cut power to that bitch ● Mar 24 [18:01] schestowitz-TR [17:49] SJWs = Special JWs? [18:02] schestowitz-TR No, Jehovah's Witnesses [18:02] bnchs SJWs is a dumb term [18:02] bnchs is snowflake better? [18:02] schestowitz-TR it is designed to divide [18:02] schestowitz-TR so better avoid it [18:02] schestowitz-TR snowflake is also a divisive term [18:02] matey /me is content to be divided from sjws [18:02] schestowitz-TR you fall onto the left/right chasm [18:03] schestowitz-TR so people don't pay attention to anything [18:03] bnchs i really hate the right/left/up/down bullshit [18:03] matey roy youre the only one making it into a left right thing [18:03] bnchs i dont get it [18:03] bnchs oh you're lefist oh you're rightist [18:03] matey people here on the left have used the term [18:03] bnchs its all retarded [18:03] schestowitz-TR matey: not really, no... that's how social control media is.. [18:03] schestowitz-TR the "own the lib" thing [18:03] schestowitz-TR and calling fascist everyone who isn't like you [18:03] matey ok but social control media isnt reality [18:04] schestowitz-TR that's basically how they treat science, too [18:04] matey so letting it define any aspect of your world is sort of like making rules based on television [18:04] schestowitz-TR matey: yes, I've quit all of it [18:04] bnchs they cherrypick science [18:04] schestowitz-TR science "offends" me [18:04] bnchs or even make up shit [18:04] schestowitz-TR so the science is wrong [18:04] schestowitz-TR it's like another religion [18:04] matey mincer uses the term sjw does he not? [18:04] schestowitz-TR where it's sarcriligious to state some facts [18:05] schestowitz-TR *sacrilegious [18:05] matey please correct if this is wrong [18:05] schestowitz-TR in Twitter even expressing unhappiness about some vaccine is not "offensive" [18:05] schestowitz-TR *now [18:05] schestowitz-TR or may be [18:05] matey /me scrolls up [18:05] schestowitz-TR you criticise OSI [18:05] bnchs schestowitz-TR, twitter is absolute insanity [18:05] schestowitz-TR and you get suspended for a week, for "COVID-19 misinformation" [18:05] bnchs i dont recommend it at all [18:06] schestowitz-TR it's a waste of time [18:06] schestowitz-TR and it's shrinking [18:06] schestowitz-TR they fake their size and importancer [18:06] bnchs its like the people there are retarded [18:06] schestowitz-TR Twitter in 2016-2017 had loads more going [18:06] bnchs that its starting to be associated as "the place where retards go" [18:07] schestowitz-TR now it's a place to troll celebs [18:07] schestowitz-TR and twitter thus added an option to disallow comments [18:07] bnchs yes [18:07] schestowitz-TR twitter tried reinventing itself as gov. comms and celeb platform [18:07] schestowitz-TR that did not work [18:07] bnchs and even downvotes [18:07] schestowitz-TR they did that at the expense of longtime users [18:07] bnchs that you cant see who downvoted you [18:07] schestowitz-TR same thing gulagtube does not [18:07] bnchs and it drags your posts down [18:07] schestowitz-TR promoting all sort of nasty and divisive pople [18:07] schestowitz-TR "in your face" [18:07] matey people who are not right wing use the term [18:08] matey then twitter says its right wing [18:08] matey then roy adopts twitters stance as if its necessarily true [18:08] matey then roy complains that its left/right nonsense but [18:08] schestowitz-TR not a twitter thing at all [18:08] matey it wasnt until he insisted it was left/right [18:08] schestowitz-TR I've not READ Twitter in years [18:08] bnchs left and right also divide people [18:08] schestowitz-TR I did in the good old Wikileaks days [18:08] matey oh come off it, youve replied to it in the past year [18:08] bnchs its dumb [18:08] matey so you did that without reading it? [18:09] schestowitz-TR but in recent years the censorship there got INSANE [18:09] matey and by replied i dont mean automatically posted [18:09] matey i mean @replied [18:09] bnchs schestowitz-TR: they've actually gone to community-based censorship now [18:09] schestowitz-TR matey: if I replied, it was last year and to people who replied to me [18:09] bnchs like downvotes [18:09] matey fair enough [18:09] bnchs that can be easily abused [18:09] bnchs and if that doesnt work [18:10] matey at any rate, not everyone here who uses the term sjw here is right wing [18:10] matey its not a right wing term [18:10] bnchs the users simply intimidate the user [18:10] bnchs by doxxing them [18:10] schestowitz-TR I went write only there in 2020 or 2021 [18:10] matey you say it is... then you complain about left/right ism [18:10] matey but youre the one making it about left/right ism [18:10] schestowitz-TR read-only it never was, but 10 years ago I could still pick up some signal from people I ACTUALLY followed [18:10] schestowitz-TR before Twitter became a canon or firehose of hate and clickbait [18:10] schestowitz-TR cannon [18:11] matey canon works too [18:11] matey albeit ironically [18:11] schestowitz-TR yes, but then different meaning [18:14] matey i think your "year ago" starts from december backwards [18:14] matey my "year ago" starts roughly 365.25 days ago [18:14] matey occasionally i use other meaning too [18:14] matey theyre both valid uses [18:14] matey but refer to different timespans obviously [18:15] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@iv9bxb8zekfbq.irc) has joined #techrights [18:15] schestowitz-TR I think I stopped participating in 2020 [18:16] schestowitz-TR but if someone asked me a question,, I'd be tempted to respond (Twitter) [18:16] schestowitz-TR but late last year I stopped altogether) [18:16] bnchs just delete your account [18:16] matey late last year I stopped altogether) <- this seems plausible [18:16] schestowitz-TR it leads to a different exchange with mass time gaps [18:16] schestowitz-TR and bad UI [18:16] bnchs redirect them to your email [18:16] matey just delete your account <- he wont, it would be a good way to settle it [18:17] schestowitz-TR it would delete lots of things I wrote [18:17] schestowitz-TR and joindiaspora is dead now [18:17] schestowitz-TR which means the backups are mostly in IRC [18:17] schestowitz-TR in 2020 I started making copies in my personal site too [18:18] schestowitz-TR Twitter stopped doing email notifications ages ago, maybe 10+ years ago [18:18] schestowitz-TR it was less "economic" [18:18] schestowitz-TR and not as good for "engagement" or ads [18:18] schestowitz-TR it was good for the users [18:18] schestowitz-TR so obviously they had to take that away! [18:18] bnchs ok [18:18] bnchs well [18:18] chicksahoy whenever I see a sponsored tweet I block the user [18:18] bnchs just abandon the account [18:19] schestowitz-TR in joindiaspora email stopped working ~1.5 years ago [18:19] bnchs change the password to something very long and throw it away [18:19] schestowitz-TR to see notifications you'd have to use the web UI [18:19] schestowitz-TR bnchs: bad idea [18:19] schestowitz-TR ICBM and FSFE can strike again [18:19] schestowitz-TR and then Twitter can lock the account [18:19] schestowitz-TR like, "can't use X until something Y" [18:20] bnchs yes [18:20] bnchs you're spreading misinfo [18:20] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/01/10/twitter-streisand/ [18:20] bnchs they deserve to lock your account [18:20] TR Bot Twitter is Silencing Victims of Sexual Abuse to Protect Violent Men Who Assault Women (Also: GitHub/Microsoft Employees Too Have Complained About the Perpetrator) | Techrights [18:20] chicksahoy job interviews with microsoft teams :( [18:20] schestowitz-TR jobs not worth having [18:21] *matey has quit (connection closed) [18:21] schestowitz-TR it means the employer is crap [18:21] chicksahoy they're all crap [18:21] schestowitz-TR and you get warned before even wasting time on an interview [18:21] schestowitz-TR it won't stop at MS Teams [18:21] schestowitz-TR it means the suck all around [18:21] bnchs chicksahog: dont [18:21] bnchs i have schools here that use ms teams [18:21] bnchs for online shit [18:22] bnchs i simply make up crap to not use it [18:22] chicksahoy its for an IT job, of course they use windows and stuff [18:23] bnchs you dodged a bullet [18:23] chicksahoy at least you can use teams in a browser so i don't have to install any microsoft crap [18:23] bnchs you can try educating the employer [18:23] bnchs but if they're too closed-minded, then just give up [18:24] chicksahoy i need a job, welfare sucks [18:24] schestowitz-TR the economy sucks [18:25] schestowitz-TR sucks the most to people with mortgages assuming "normality" for 30 years to come ^_^ [18:25] chicksahoy touche [18:26] TR News "There are many other things to love about this place. One of my favorite things about Amsterdam is getting around by bike. In Philadelphia, travelling by bicycle is signing up for a death wish." gemini://drewdevault.com/2022/03/24/Netherlands-update.gmi [18:27] bnchs the worse job here is government IT job [18:27] chicksahoy government IT is horrible [18:27] TR News Listen to the radio and live without commercials gemini://szczezuja.flounder.online/gemlog/2022-03-24-Listen-to-the-radio-live-without-commercials.gmi "two radio stations, which were created from bottom to up by people, with so much money collected by people, it's a unique thing in the world." [18:27] bnchs imagine maintaining decades-old ASP.NET scripts [18:27] bnchs and a shitty microsoft server [18:27] schestowitz-TR governments are easy to bribe [18:27] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is good at that [18:27] schestowitz-TR (bribing) [18:28] bnchs that might have thousands of vulnerabilities in it [18:28] bnchs and SQL server is very unstable aswell [18:28] chicksahoy microsoft is probably the reason anonymous is able to keep hacking russia [18:28] chicksahoy bank of russia got hacked recently [18:29] TR News Yesterday afternoon - after I wrote about my negative COVID test in the morning - my wife called that she is sick. I only had 20 minutes of work left then I drove home to her." Now infected. gopher://sdfeu.org:70/0/users/glaciurso/phlog/2022-03-24__Sick.md [18:29] bnchs the school score website just got stable these days [18:29] bnchs if it was thousands of students logging in at once [18:29] bnchs the web server would just die [18:30] bnchs and sometimes database errors [18:30] schestowitz-TR reboot [18:30] schestowitz-TR try again [18:30] schestowitz-TR and again [18:30] schestowitz-TR reboot [18:30] schestowitz-TR until exam results day is over [18:30] schestowitz-TR some people might even get to some data [18:31] chicksahoy i'd rather fix windows bullshit over working in retail or fast food [18:31] schestowitz-TR isn't that the same thing? [18:31] bnchs schestowitz-TR: yeah that doesnt work [18:31] bnchs sometimes we also have to fix the data aswell [18:31] schestowitz-TR "fix"? [18:31] bnchs incorrect scores [18:31] schestowitz-TR or fix? [18:32] bnchs and shit [18:32] chicksahoy most of the time its just user error [18:32] bnchs schestowitz-TR: exam results days are always the worst days for the servers [18:33] bnchs the servers were down for maintanence last semster [18:40] psydruid my experience is that most of the time it's windows error [18:40] psydruid to the point that I'd rather deliver pizzas than support windows [18:40] psydruid it drives me insane [18:41] psydruid I saw the weirdest things at my job and I just didn't know how to fix those things [18:42] psydruid to the point that I was wondering if I was either too dumb or too smart for the job [18:45] bnchs the smartest would know that windows errors are not worth dealing with [18:45] bnchs you cant fix a shit OS [18:46] bnchs why would anyone deal with the torture of a error that some windows dev skipped over [18:46] MinceR you can't fix systemd or crapOS either [18:46] MinceR and good luck finding a job where they use something else [18:46] bnchs i made my own cyber-cafe [18:47] bnchs with openrc [18:48] MinceR how much profit does it make? [18:49] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [18:50] bnchs ehhh [18:50] bnchs just about 30 dh a day [18:51] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [18:52] bnchs it also means i dont have to rely on OS hacks to do shit [18:52] bnchs like the daemon can easily be killed [18:52] bnchs in windows [18:58] Techrights-sec2 "seems easier to move internally through Microsoft than apply directly...ugh I mean we are still pretending Ubuntu isn't [18:58] Techrights-sec2 MS... uhm..." [18:58] Techrights-sec2 https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/want-a-job-at-canonical-write-a-5000:3 [18:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/want-a-job-at-canonical-write-a-5000:3 [18:58] TR Bot Want A Job At Canonical? Write A 5000 Word Essay?!? [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 44.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 80.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 228.40 ● Mar 24 [19:00] TR News 5 Lesser-Known Open Source Web Browsers for Linux in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162952 [19:00] TR Bot 5 Lesser-Known Open Source Web Browsers for Linux in 2022 | Tux Machines [19:00] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162953 [19:00] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:00] TR News Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 - Perfection with Stability [Review] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162954 [19:00] TR Bot Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 - Perfection with Stability [Review] | Tux Machines [19:00] MinceR http://ffn.nodwick.com/?p=2391 [19:00] TR Bot Full Frontal Nerdity by Aaron Williams - 03/03/2022 [19:03] TR News Arduino returns to Linux with Portenta X8 module and dev kit http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33178 [19:03] TR Bot Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines [19:08] TR News Proton Experimental gets a bunch more titles working for Steam Deck and Linux | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/proton-experimental-gets-a-bunch-more-titles-working-for-steam-deck-and-linux [19:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/proton-experimental-gets-a-bunch-more-titles-working-for-steam-deck-and-linux [19:08] TR Bot Experimental gets a bunch more titles working for Steam Deck and Linux | GamingOnLinux [19:09] bnchs valve should be doing more than proton [19:09] bnchs they should give rewards to developers who make gnu/linux port [19:10] TR News Sci-fi fantasy arena-styled FPS Viscerafest sees Chapter 2 released | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/sci-fi-fantasy-arena-styled-fps-viscerafest-sees-chapter-2-released/ [19:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/sci-fi-fantasy-arena-styled-fps-viscerafest-sees-chapter-2-released/ [19:10] TR Bot fantasy arena-styled FPS Viscerafest sees Chapter 2 released | GamingOnLinux [19:11] bnchs like less sale cuts [19:12] TR News Fanatical put up their own Stand With Ukraine Charity Bundle | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/fanatical-put-up-their-own-stand-with-ukraine-charity-bundle Source: gamingonlinux [19:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/fanatical-put-up-their-own-stand-with-ukraine-charity-bundle [19:12] TR Bot put up their own Stand With Ukraine Charity Bundle | GamingOnLinux [19:13] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:13] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@fici29dumxqp6.irc) has joined #techrights [19:14] TR News Kickstart RT from NVIDIA makes Ray Tracing integration in games easier | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/kickstart-rt-from-nvidia-makes-ray-tracing-integration-in-games-easier/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [19:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/kickstart-rt-from-nvidia-makes-ray-tracing-integration-in-games-easier/ [19:14] TR Bot RT from NVIDIA makes Ray Tracing integration in games easier | GamingOnLinux [19:25] TR News An example of stories not related to Linux, which serve mostly as x86 masrketing https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-reveal-more-on-fidelityfx-super-resolution-20-fsr Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [19:25] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/amd-reveal-more-on-fidelityfx-super-resolution-20-fsr [19:25] TR Bot reveal more on FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.0 (FSR) | GamingOnLinux [19:26] TR News Game Pass on Steam Deck, Android apps in the cloud, and GNOME 42 - Linux and open source news - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Y_QwXn4lY6E Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [19:26] TR Bot Game Pass on Steam Deck, Android apps in the cloud, and GNOME 42 - Linux and open source news - Invidious [19:31] TR News VMware is a hole in your server https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/24/vmware-releases-security-updates nasty company http://techrights.org/wiki/VMware#2020 [19:31] TR Bot VMware Releases Security Updates | CISA [19:31] TR Bot VMware - Techrights [19:31] TR News "Whitney joined Ryan to discuss the connection between January 6th, the Azov Battalion, Ukraine, and the War On Domestic Terror." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/tlav-january-6th-azov-battalion-the-war-on-domestic-terror-you/ [19:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/tlav-january-6th-azov-battalion-the-war-on-domestic-terror-you/ [19:31] TR Bot TLAV: January 6th, Azov Battalion & The War On Domestic Terror YOU [19:33] TR News [GIT PULL] nfsd changes for 5.18 - Chuck Lever III https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/EF97E1F5-B70F-4F9F-AC6D-7B48336AE3E5@oracle.com/ Source: oracle [19:33] TR Bot [GIT PULL] nfsd changes for 5.18 - Chuck Lever III [19:33] TR News "In this video, I am going to show an overview of SparkyLinux 2022.03 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-XTIJKbJzUA [19:34] TR Bot SparkyLinux 2022.03 overview | Powered by Debian - Invidious [19:36] TR News Spamnil's site now does attention-shifting propaganda for Microsoft ("Large-Scale Attack Uses Malicious npm Packages To Target Azure Developers"). No, NPM IS Microsoft... same for Azure... notice how they're looking to blame anyone but the platform http://techrights.org/2021/09/30/azure-brute-force/ [19:36] TR Bot Microsoft Whistleblower and Clients Warned, More Than 2 Years Ago in Fact, About the Current Azure Mess (But Microsoft Ignored Those Warnings, Buried Facts) | Techrights [19:36] bnchs lol [19:36] bnchs large scale attack [19:36] bnchs azure developers [19:36] TR News Windows is malware. GitHub is malware. NPM is malware. What do they all have in common? Microsoft. [19:36] bnchs literally if it wasnt for brandon the retard [19:37] bnchs we wouldnt have given spamnil more material [19:37] TR News #FreeBSD 13.1-BETA3 is out. Site not updated yet. https://www.freebsd.org/ [19:37] TR Bot The FreeBSD Project [19:37] TR News Meet the Secretive US Company Building an Unbreakable Internet Inside Russia https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3n5e9/russian-internet-lantern [19:37] TR Bot Meet the Secretive US Company Building an Unbreakable Internet Inside Russia [19:38] TR News Mozilla wants your money while it's selling your data https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/introducing-mdn-plus-make-mdn-your-own/ [19:38] Alternative link Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/introducing-mdn-plus-make-mdn-your-own/ [19:38] TR Bot Introducing MDN Plus: Make MDN your own - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog [19:39] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@uc58nh97gtnfa.irc) has joined #techrights [19:40] TR News How to install Slackware 15 https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-slackware-15/ Source: unixcop [19:40] TR Bot How to install Slackware 15 - Unix / Linux the admins Tutorials [19:41] TR News Fedora 36 Beta Update - Madeline Peck https://www.madelinepeck.com/blog/2022/3/22/fedora-36-beta-update Source: madelinepeck [19:41] TR Bot Fedora 36 Beta Update Madeline Peck [19:42] DaemonFC It's no wonder the schools are failing. I just got another letter from the high school asking for a tax hike. They keep asking and we keep voting no. You'd think a high school would be able to sit down and go "This is what tax revenue is. This is what our expenses are." and solve for it, but instead they cram pack my mailbox with fucking flyers saying "Pay up by Monday or the kids get it!". If they don't get their tax hike, then one day in the [19:42] DaemonFC future, perhaps not far from now, they won't be able to afford essential basic services, such as printing up 100,000 flyers asking for a tax hike and posting them each week in the three months leading up to every election. [19:42] TR News Seems to me like a sign Purism is struggling https://puri.sm/posts/as-purism-grows-founder-ceo-todd-weaver-transitions-role-of-president-to-kyle-rankin-vice-president-to-nicole-faerber/ [19:42] TR Bot As Purism Grows, Founder CEO Todd Weaver Transitions Role of President to Kyle Rankin & Vice-President to Nicole Faerber Purism [19:42] DaemonFC mjg59_ wonders why I hate government, but MinceR totally gets it. ^ [19:42] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:43] TR News "Open Source" became meaningless junk. Say Free software instead. School's back in session at Open Source 101 https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/schools-back-in-session-open-source-101.html Source: collabora [19:43] TR Bot School's back in session at Open Source 101 [19:43] DaemonFC Also lost on a school in the next town over (which also sends me flyers) is that I don't live in their town, and part of their budget is stuffing mailboxes of voters in a town that can't vote in their election. [19:44] *bnchs (~bnchs@dhignbj8vrfhg.irc) has joined #techrights [19:45] TR News Foundries.io and Arduino Deliver Secure, Embedded Linux IoT and Edge Solutions for the Enterprise http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33179 [19:45] TR Bot Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines [19:45] bnchs fuck stuffing mailboxes [19:46] TR News Hamsket SparkyLinux https://sparkylinux.org/hamsket/ Source: sparkylinux on "Free, Open Source and Cross Platform messaging and emailing app that combines common web applications into one." [19:46] TR Bot Hamsket SparkyLinux [19:46] activelow documentary on TV, about hackers, white hats and black hats, and most high-profile hackers jailed in USA are Russians [19:47] *psydroid9 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [19:47] *psydroid8 has quit (connection closed) [19:48] activelow supposedly it is russian sites and channels, where the real stuff is discussed [19:48] TR News Microbel doing AMD ads again in Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=31007 Source: Phoronix (but it used to cover Linux) [19:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=31007 [19:48] TR Bot vs. Linux Benchmarks For AMD Ryzen Server Performance Review - Phoronix [19:49] bnchs windows vs linux [19:49] bnchs let me guess [19:49] bnchs biased? [19:49] schestowitz-TR does not matter [19:49] schestowitz-TR he advertises neigher [19:49] schestowitz-TR he does AMD [19:50] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/ [19:50] TR Bot When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights [19:53] activelow power plant hacked in Ukraine, 2015, power outage... product placement advertisement: WindowsXP [19:54] TR News Videos: SparkyLinux and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162955 [19:54] TR Bot Videos: SparkyLinux and More | Tux Machines [19:54] TR News Games: Proton Experimental and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162956 [19:54] TR Bot Games: Proton Experimental and More | Tux Machines [19:55] DaemonFC https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/24/its-no-wonder-the-schools-in-illinois-are-failing-i-just-got-another-letter-from-the-high-school-asking-for-a-tax-hike/ [19:55] TR Bot Its no wonder the schools in Illinois are failing. I just got another letter from the high school asking for a tax hike. BaronHK's Rants [19:55] DaemonFC Mr. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG's head explodes. [19:55] DaemonFC "Maybe if theyd stop ripping the names of some of our finest presidents, like Teddy Roosevelt, off the signage, to destroy positive white role models in history, they could scrounge up some more money." [19:55] bnchs activelow: power plant using windows [19:55] bnchs WHAT COULD GO WRONG [19:56] schestowitz-TR the nuclear part is bad [19:56] schestowitz-TR never mind what OS [19:56] activelow it was some accounting software common in Ukraine, which an Update was downloaded for, and all systems compromised [19:56] DaemonFC If they can have "black history" and "black role models" (and there are quite a few, granted...), then why shouldn't we be proud of white role models in history? [19:56] DaemonFC Or maybe we should stop calling it history month, because maybe that is racist. [19:56] DaemonFC Quit putting role models on "separate but equal" lists, by choice, and seeing no irony in that. [19:56] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: it's offtopi [19:57] TR News (In)Security of Proprietary Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162957 [19:57] TR Bot (In)Security of Proprietary Software | Tux Machines [19:57] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I've been tempted to fork that "Bitch to Boss" thing. [19:58] DaemonFC Have it replace the GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLE thing. [19:58] DaemonFC GOOOOOOOOOLAG [19:58] schestowitz-TR it's like Gulag Search [19:58] schestowitz-TR at the bottom it says or used to say goooooooooooogle [19:58] DaemonFC I don't know that it does anymore. [19:58] DaemonFC If I use Google at all, it's through Startpage. [19:58] schestowitz-TR you can click on the Os [19:58] DaemonFC I'm not happy with the search situation. [19:59] schestowitz-TR startpage is a spying company [19:59] schestowitz-TR so you accomplish mothing [19:59] DaemonFC DuckDuckGo is worse. [19:59] bnchs activelow: yeah good [19:59] DaemonFC Both on privacy and results. [19:59] *fiendking04 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [19:59] bnchs aufomatic upadte [19:59] bnchs automatic update [19:59] DaemonFC They're fed by Bing and Bing results are more censored and full of irrelevant crap than Google's are. [19:59] bnchs what could go wrong? [19:59] DaemonFC And Microsoft's ToS are surprisingly worse. ● Mar 24 [20:00] DaemonFC In the settings for Microsoft's online "services" there are references to "Windows" and "XBOX" consoles and "Microsoft Office" and you have to go there to do things like get app passwords for K9 Mail on your phone. [20:01] DaemonFC Because only Microsoft products exist in their bunker where they go insane. [20:01] DaemonFC It's like Hitler barking orders at imaginary armored units while the Red Army controlled all but several blocks of Berlin. [20:01] bnchs lol [20:02] bnchs you know how microsoft's products are popular? [20:02] DaemonFC Somehow, many immigrants end up in Illinois. That's not to say Indiana gets none. [20:02] bnchs because they shove it down windows' useds' faces [20:02] DaemonFC Indiana is more welcoming, honestly. [20:02] bnchs even their fucking lock screen [20:03] bnchs HAS ADS FOR MICROSOFT [20:03] activelow some of the "hackers" presented seem to be posers [20:03] bnchs "look at this cool wallpaper, CHECK OUT HOW THE GUY WHO TOOK IT USED AZURE TO JACK OFF 1000 TIMES FASTER" [20:04] DaemonFC Some Asian woman saw me on the Red Line and asked me where the Pulaski stop on the L system was, so I finally gave up trying to tell her because she didn't know English or enough to say what she wanted except "Pulaski?", so I eventually pulled out a piece of paper and drew her a map of the L system and how to know which stops to get off at and transfer to. I hope she was okay. [20:04] activelow they're using web-sites and forums to communicate... as if this was the real hackers; they aren't [20:05] activelow doesn't mean their vandalism wasn't annoying or dangerous [20:05] schestowitz-TR https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/ [20:05] Alternative link Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2022/03/23/microsoft-windows-11-windows-10-hack-attack-zero-day-new-windows-update/ [20:05] TR Bot Microsoft Just Gave A Billion Users A Reason To Quit Windows [20:05] DaemonFC If she got the "Chicago Welcome Committee" on that side of town it would have certainly been a bunch of "troubled youth" (schestowitz-ism) with guns, doing all sorts of depravity. [20:05] *CParadoxum__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:06] DaemonFC Meanwhile, in Indiana, she would have encountered (most likely) a large group of people who made sure she got where she was going safely. [20:06] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [20:06] schestowitz https://www.maketecheasier.com/watermarks-on-unsupported-windows-11-pcs/ [20:06] TR Bot Watermarks to Start Appearing on Unsupported Windows 11 PCs - Make Tech Easier [20:06] DaemonFC But the leftists, like mjg59_ like to call places like Indiana a heehaw state, and deflect from the fact that vicious attacks on Asians in America mostly happen in blue states and the bluest parts of blue states. [20:06] schestowitz DaemonFC: we are talking about tech [20:07] schestowitz you interject shit politics to settle personal scores [20:07] DaemonFC It's been in the news a lot in his city of San Francisco, and it's not even that abnormal in Chicago and New York, and Seattle, and Portland. [20:07] DaemonFC Because all of the fucked up people live there for some reason. [20:07] schestowitz go to another channel [20:08] bnchs schestowitz: lol at "unsupported" [20:08] schestowitz don't ruin this one [20:08] schestowitz bnchs: well, it runs it [20:08] schestowitz so clearly it IS supportede [20:08] schestowitz Microsoft is being a dictator [20:08] DaemonFC There's quite a few ways to remove the watermark from Windows. [20:08] bnchs YOUR PC MUST BE THIS NEW TO RUN WINDOZE 11 ----> [20:08] DaemonFC But the better option is to just get rid of Windows. [20:08] bnchs encourages more e-waste by brainless consumers [20:08] DaemonFC That'll make the watermark go away, and recent versions of Wine and Proton are quite good. [20:09] bnchs i like how microsoft is not trying to optimize their OS [20:09] schestowitz-TR no, no, [20:09] bnchs its like they let it go [20:09] DaemonFC "Everyone interesting runs Windows." - mjg59_ "Free Software Developer.....Suuuuuuuuper Genius" [20:09] schestowitz-TR Mirosoft loves the plane [20:09] schestowitz-TR they even burn it down with Windows [20:09] bnchs yeah [20:09] bnchs they let windows go [20:09] schestowitz-TR and then releases the excess heat to home in Finland... in August LOL [20:09] DaemonFC Windows is like that supposed Chinese curse. [20:09] bnchs and now its too bloated to run in even much more capable PCs [20:10] bnchs they should just kill it and be done with it [20:10] DaemonFC May you live in interesting times and may you come to the attention of the authorities. Well, with the Windows OS breaking down all the time requiring constant attention and recovery from backups (you have backups, right?) it's interesting in that way......and you WILL come to the attention of authorities, because it tells them everything you do on your PC. [20:10] TR News Notice how bug were outsources to Microsoft proprietary software. Mozilla is DONE. https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/ [20:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/ [20:11] TR Bot These Weeks In Firefox: Issue 112 Firefox Nightly News [20:11] bnchs yes [20:11] bnchs its ironic [20:11] TR News Notice how bugs were outsourced to Microsoft proprietary software. Mozilla is DONE. https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/ [20:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2022/03/24/these-weeks-in-firefox-issue-112/ [20:11] bnchs gnu/linux used to be the OS that breaks down a lot [20:11] bnchs now the tables have turned [20:11] bnchs its windows [20:11] *roger_rabbit (~roger_rab@2607:fcd0:aa80:1304::bf2d) has joined #techrights [20:12] activelow now they say again, "the Russians" hacked the democratic congress and the US elections... and even if, it is almost impossible to know, who it was [20:12] bnchs their updates is so untested that its a 50/50 chance [20:12] activelow 500 piecs of malware and domain names [20:12] bnchs 50% it will work [20:12] MinceR 24 204951 < bnchs> biased? [20:12] bnchs 50% it will break the OS and you have to reinstall [20:12] MinceR he'll say whatever drives page views [20:12] DaemonFC "Linux" systems generally don't break down a lot unless you're using something fast moving, untested, experimental, and/or rolling.... (Fedora, Arch....) or just do something that any reasonable person would know leads to a broken system (APT warns you not to do it and you do it anyway for YouTube click pennies, like Linus Sebastian). [20:13] bnchs DaemonFC: windows shills are still with the mentality that gnu/linux systems are unstable [20:13] MinceR lol @ heehaw state [20:13] DaemonFC I never had any trouble with my systems unless I was just using something I knew was probably a little sketchy in the first place. [20:14] DaemonFC The "consumer-facing" ones and the Long Term Support distributions generally don't make crazy choices that they'll have to support for 5-10 years if they can possibly avoid doing so. [20:14] DaemonFC KDE 2/3 on Mandrake Linux were stable in the early to mid 2000s. [20:15] bnchs yeah [20:15] DaemonFC Quite good enough for daily usage. Maybe you needed to plan your hardware more than you do today, but they were not unstable. [20:15] bnchs but microsoft shills still try to decimate it [20:15] bnchs try to drive people away [20:16] DaemonFC I picked Mandrake because it was one that I could buy in a box that didn't look like it was the stuff of nightmares. [20:16] MinceR seems to me those distros pretty much all made crazy choices and stuck with them [20:16] psydroid2 GNU/Linux was already better than Windows in the 90s and in the early 2000s it became "user-friendly" [20:16] DaemonFC Some of those early Debian box sets were infamously bad. There was one company that packaged Debian 2.1 (iirc) and it only came with 1/2 CDs and they managed to bork the setup program so there was no way to install a working system. Ever. [20:16] DaemonFC Then they sold it. [20:17] MinceR choices like systemd and gnome [20:17] MinceR some of them even made choices like yum and dnf [20:17] DaemonFC KDE does work on Debian. [20:17] DaemonFC Which is a hell of a lot more you can say for Fedora and KDE. [20:17] MinceR :> [20:17] MinceR but for how long [20:17] MinceR kde capitulated to the enemy [20:17] DaemonFC I posted about Fedora on my blog asking them to please stop packaging anything but GNOME if they were going to fuck it up that bad. [20:18] DaemonFC They don't really support KDE on Fedora. The packagers are using Windows and Macs and Microsoft Edge. [20:18] DaemonFC One of them admitted he only used Fedora on Windows 10 in an emulator. [20:18] DaemonFC Exactly the maintainers you want, you know? [20:18] bnchs psydroid2: gnu/linux was used for most moroccan websites in early 2000's [20:19] DaemonFC They tossed out the one real community maintainer of KDE right in front of me. [20:19] TR News Gartner is not predicting, it is shilling. In this case for mass surveillance profiteers like Microsoft. https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/24/gartner_top_10_gov/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [20:19] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/24/gartner_top_10_gov/ [20:19] TR Bot Mobile-based ID among top 10 government trends says Gartner The Register [20:19] TR Bot Gartner Group - Techrights [20:19] DaemonFC Said he was "offending" Microsoft and Nvidia and so he was being removed by decision of the "Fedora Council". [20:19] DaemonFC Which did not hold an open discussion of vote. [20:19] bnchs DaemonFC: fedora is controlled by microsoft [20:20] bnchs better dump it [20:20] DaemonFC It's too fucked up to salvage at this point. [20:20] TR News Clown computing means a lot of downtime you're not in control of; it's also a lot of other bad things https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/22/slack_down/ [20:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/22/slack_down/ [20:20] TR Bot Ongoing services outage at Slack The Register [20:21] bnchs when a distro is bribed way too hard by corporations [20:21] bnchs better to just dump it [20:21] schestowitz https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/18/windows_11_insider_msa/ [20:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/18/windows_11_insider_msa/ [20:21] TR Bot Connectivity now needed for Windows 11 Pro Dev Channel setup The Register [20:21] DaemonFC That's why I stopped using Fedora. [20:21] DaemonFC I used to be really happy with it. [20:22] DaemonFC It was fairly stable and always had the latest stuff and ran on the laptop I JUST BOUGHT. [20:22] DaemonFC And now the maintainers can't even be bothered to run it. [20:22] DaemonFC And have no idea what's going on when you put it on a real computer and try to use it. [20:23] bnchs so you cant criticize microsoft [20:23] DaemonFC Nope. [20:23] bnchs because fedora is too corrupt? [20:23] DaemonFC You'll be banned from their room, perhaps after a warning or two. [20:23] DaemonFC Fuck Fedora. [20:23] DaemonFC Moving on, just use something else. [20:23] bnchs schestowitz: its actually real thing now [20:23] TR News Clown nonsense. Nothing to be gained from this. https://martechseries.com/sales-marketing/marketing-clouds/zenhub-joins-the-cloud-native-computing-foundation/ [20:23] TR Bot ZenHub Joins the Cloud Native Computing Foundation [20:23] DaemonFC It's like a state that falls apart until you realize that nobody will ever vote to fix it and you just need to leave. [20:23] bnchs if you use a exotic wifi or ethernet card [20:24] DaemonFC Fedora is as much of a success under IBM as Illinois is under the Democratic Party. [20:24] bnchs one thats not supported in their installation image [20:24] bnchs then the installation is borked [20:25] bnchs modern laptops come with wifi cards and ethernet cards that you have to install drivers seperately [20:25] bnchs because it doesnt come with stock [20:25] bnchs installation [20:25] MinceR it seems to me fedora is doing exactly what ibm/deadrat wants from it [20:26] MinceR collects what volunteer work they can gather and serves as the basis of many systemd distributions, which all make their users beholden to ibm/deadrat [20:27] bnchs arch linux doesnt even let you install your own init system [20:27] bnchs its just systemd [20:27] schestowitz-TR fedora is ICBM [20:27] bnchs back then it used to use sysvinit [20:27] schestowitz-TR ICBM is still close to Microsoft [20:27] schestowitz-TR even closer than a decade ago [20:27] schestowitz-TR they have similar problems [20:28] schestowitz-TR like their growing irrelevance [20:28] bnchs or the init system used by the UNIX system V [20:28] schestowitz-TR they buy companies, but it's too late [20:28] schestowitz-TR they also lie to shareholders to pretend there is "growth" [20:28] schestowitz-TR for which they do the bucket game [20:29] TR News "When you think Linux gaming you think of general Linux systems like PopOS, Arch, Manjaro, etc but soon that will change and Chromebooks will also have support for Steam and Proton" - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=St3tjDr1HPU Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [20:29] TR Bot Steam & Proton Are Coming Soon To Chromebooks?? - Invidious [20:31] TR News Canonical 2004: Freedom on desktops. Canonical 2022: Microsoft, bugs, and listening devices https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1 [20:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1 [20:31] TR Bot Evolution of the Smart Home: How it Started [Part 1] | Ubuntu [20:31] bnchs chromebooks are retarded [20:31] TR News COVID-19 approves wholeheartedly: "LET ME SPREAD FASTER!" https://bhsregister.com/6553/news/bsd-lifts-mask-mandate-data-to-know/ [20:31] TR Bot BSD lifts mask mandate: data to know BHS Register [20:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: bhsregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://bhsregister.com/6553/news/bsd-lifts-mask-mandate-data-to-know/ [20:32] bnchs there is many reasons why i'm grateful i live in a poor country [20:32] bnchs and chromebooks are one [20:32] TR News COVID-19 has slipped totally out of control in the UK http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/24/uk-data-hospital/ [20:32] TR Bot Blog Archive UK Data: Over 17,000 in Hospital With COVID-19 and the Number Only Rises [20:32] schestowitz-TR bnchs: no wifi [20:33] schestowitz-TR chromebooks barely consider any other connection methods [20:33] schestowitz-TR in southeast asia shops don't even know what that is [20:33] schestowitz-TR they only sell windows crap [20:33] schestowitz-TR to be fair, I think SUSE has some growth in indonesia [20:33] MinceR can't you use a usb ethernet adapter? [20:33] schestowitz-TR it's also risk-free for Microsoft to bribe officials there [20:34] schestowitz-TR MinceR: chromebooks lack those ports [20:34] schestowitz-TR usb yes [20:34] schestowitz-TR but connected to wifi or xG dongle mayeb [20:34] MinceR if you have a usb port, you can obtain an ethernet port [20:34] schestowitz-TR not sure how gulagOS handles those [20:36] TR News Does AMD pay for memberships with crates of high-end CPUs? Or is that just for bloggers? https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/almalinux-os-foundation-announces-new-members-including-amd/ [20:36] TR Bot AlmaLinux OS Foundation Announces New Members, Including AMD [20:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: hpcwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hpcwire.com/off-the-wire/almalinux-os-foundation-announces-new-members-including-amd/ [20:37] bnchs schestowitz-TR: no ethernet port? [20:37] TR News Worldwide inflation suffocating Africans. "Bills" are, to many, the main cost of living (food, water, energy) https://www.stabroeknews.com/2022/03/16/news/guyana/ali-promises-no-hikes-in-electricity-water-rates-despite-rising-costs/ [20:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: stabroeknews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.stabroeknews.com/2022/03/16/news/guyana/ali-promises-no-hikes-in-electricity-water-rates-despite-rising-costs/ [20:37] TR Bot Ali promises no hikes in electricity, water rates despite rising costs - Stabroek News [20:38] schestowitz-TR bnchs: no, they want your location data [20:38] bnchs wow [20:38] bnchs one thing [20:38] TR News Why does Gulag Noise syndicate Microsoft sites as if they're a source of news. Has Gulag no sense of shame? [20:39] bnchs we dont buy our computers from the hypermarkets (where they only sell retarded microsoft-ridden shit) [20:39] DaemonFC There we go. Now I have 125 pounds of cat food on hand. [20:39] bnchs we buy our computers from the dirty old market [20:39] DaemonFC That ought to last 6-7 months easily for my two cats. [20:39] bnchs where they're at least early 2010's or late 2000's old [20:39] bnchs and easily modifiable [20:39] DaemonFC If they're threatening no chickens for HUMANS, what are we going to feed the cats with? [20:40] TR News RedisJSON 2 Adds Indexing Option https://www.i-programmer.info/news/197-data-mining/15300-redisjson-2-adds-indexing-option.html Source: i-programmer [20:40] TR Bot RedisJSON 2 Adds Indexing Option [20:40] DaemonFC I'd scream if they start inventing "supply troubles" with cat food and I ran out of cat food and had to watch my cats die or try to feed them with whatever I could get. [20:40] bnchs also they come with absolutely NO operating system [20:40] bnchs you have to buy it seperately [20:40] bnchs which is a plus for me [20:41] bnchs install* [20:41] bnchs one thing about windows-less PCs is that they offer a huge discount because they dont have to buy a license [20:42] TR News They would be vastly better off getting an OS almost entirely GPL. It's called GNU/Linux. https://www.aviationanalysis.net/gpl-software-explorer-patcher-restores-features-from-windows-10/ [20:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: aviationanalysis.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.aviationanalysis.net/gpl-software-explorer-patcher-restores-features-from-windows-10/ [20:42] TR Bot GPL Software Explorer Patcher restores features from Windows 10 [20:43] DaemonFC That's a myth. [20:43] TR News Junk you find on the Web and install without worries https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yoast-wordpress-seo-bug-creates-duplicate-sitemaps/442668/ Source: searchenginejournal [20:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: searchenginejournal.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.searchenginejournal.com/yoast-wordpress-seo-bug-creates-duplicate-sitemaps/442668/ [20:43] TR Bot Yoast WordPress SEO Bug Creates Duplicate Sitemaps [20:44] DaemonFC The crapware usally pays for the Windows license. But then you have the nuisance of removing Windows so you can install an operating system instead of warmed over 90s shit from Microsoft, buried under dozens of GB of extraneous bloat and adware and spyware, which was mostly placed there to make it run REALLY badly on computers from more than a couple years ago, that was only an alleged operating system to start with. [20:44] DaemonFC AKA, Windows "11". [20:45] bnchs no [20:45] bnchs windows-less computers [20:45] TR News Well, the world is getting hotter, doesn't it? While energy prices soar and capacity isn't improving... https://newsroom.gy/2022/03/23/more-ac-usage-driving-up-electricity-demand-gpl-says-consumers-must-conserve/ [20:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: newsroom.gy | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://newsroom.gy/2022/03/23/more-ac-usage-driving-up-electricity-demand-gpl-says-consumers-must-conserve/ [20:45] TR Bot More AC usage driving up electricity demand; GPL says consumers must conserve News Room Guyana [20:45] DaemonFC They don't even support my late 2016 Lenovo laptop anymore with Windows 11. [20:45] bnchs dont have windows license in the bios chip [20:45] bnchs nor any w1x logo [20:45] DaemonFC GNU/Linux runs fine. It's so fast that you can barely even tell it's closing in on 6 years old. [20:46] DaemonFC By the time GNU/Linux doesn't run well, your odds of a hardware failure that year are higher than 80% anyway. [20:46] bnchs same program on windows in a laptop: blank window for 6 seconds [20:46] bnchs then whole OS lags [20:46] bnchs same program on gnu/linux in the same laptop: runs in almost a millisecond [20:46] bnchs maybe even much less [20:47] DaemonFC Windows needs a minimum of 16 GB of RAM to even run a few programs at the same time without noticeable jank. [20:47] DaemonFC Which is pitiful. [20:47] TR News Better headline would clarify that Microsoft is shipping malware through its proprietary software hub https://threatpost.com/dev-sabotages-popular-npm-package-protest-russian-invasion/178972/ [20:47] TR Bot Sabotages Popular NPM Package to Protest Russian Invasion | Threatpost [20:48] bnchs dev sabotages npm package [20:48] TR News Ukraine's nuclear plants: What's happening with them now? - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ukraine_nuclear_safety_update/ Source: theregister [20:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ukraine_nuclear_safety_update/ [20:48] TR Bot Ukraine's nuclear plants: What's happening with them now? The Register [20:48] bnchs brandon miller gave free software a bad face [20:48] bnchs i fucking hate him for that [20:48] TR News Best Add-ons (Extensions) For Firefox On Android | Screen Rant https://screenrant.com/firefox-android-add-ons-extensions-best/ Source: screenrant [20:48] TR Bot Best Add-ons (Extensions) For Firefox On Android | Screen Rant [20:49] TR News Firefox 98.0.2 fixes a crash on Windows, an add-ons issue, and more - gHacks Tech News https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/23/firefox-98-0-2-fixes-a-crash-on-windows-an-add-ons-issue-and-more/ Source: ghacks [20:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/23/firefox-98-0-2-fixes-a-crash-on-windows-an-add-ons-issue-and-more/ [20:49] TR Bot Firefox 98.0.2 fixes a crash on Windows, an add-ons issue, and more - gHacks Tech News [20:50] TR News Patent trap. Mozilla is finally adding AV1 support to Firefox a full two years after Chrome and Edge https://www.androidpolice.com/mozilla-is-finally-adding-av1-support-to-firefox-a-full-two-years-after-chrome-and-edge/ Source: androidpolice [20:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: androidpolice.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.androidpolice.com/mozilla-is-finally-adding-av1-support-to-firefox-a-full-two-years-after-chrome-and-edge/ [20:50] TR Bot Mozilla is finally adding AV1 support to Firefox a full two years after Chrome and Edge [20:52] schestowitz-TR bnchs: Microsoft was the dispatcher [20:52] schestowitz-TR they want to pretend to have no responsibility [20:52] DaemonFC "Pope says increasing military budgets and imposing sanctions is not a solution to war" [20:52] schestowitz-TR as usual [20:52] DaemonFC LOL, the Pope [20:52] bnchs yes [20:52] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/ [20:52] TR Bot GitHub is Microsofts Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonicals Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly Its Ubuntus Fault? | Techrights [20:52] bnchs bur who thought of the idea [20:52] bnchs brandon did [20:53] schestowitz Microsoft was his distribution network [20:53] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ [20:53] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s3RNsZvdYZQ [20:53] TR Bot yewtu.be | The Line Must Be Drawn Here - Star Trek: First Contact (6/9) Movie CLIP (1996) HD - Invidious [20:53] schestowitz otherwise he would have to convince people to get his malware from his site [20:53] schestowitz Microsoft should never have been in charge of these things [20:53] schestowitz they put the "supply chain" in the NSA's hands [20:53] bnchs yes [20:53] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/ [20:54] TR Bot Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights [20:54] bnchs brandon's plan went flawless [20:54] bnchs he made a package for a simple job [20:54] bnchs waited until most popular packages depended on it [20:54] bnchs then spread his malware through it [20:54] TR News Firefox: AV1, Fixes, Addons, Changes, and Upselling MDN Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162958 [20:54] TR Bot Firefox: AV1, Fixes, Addons, Changes, and Upselling MDN | Tux Machines [20:55] schestowitz no QA at Microsoft [20:55] schestowitz they are good at banning peole [20:55] schestowitz esp. for criticising Microsoft [20:55] schestowitz but malware? [20:55] bnchs it was so easy i could have paid 50 dollars to an adultery site [20:55] schestowitz "Hey, WE DO THAT SHIT TOO!!" [20:55] DaemonFC IBM bans people for criticizing Microsoft (and Nvidia). [20:55] schestowitz ICBM is not a friend [20:55] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/07/05/ibm-led-mob/ [20:55] TR Bot [Meme] IBM is NOT a Friend of Free Software | Techrights [20:55] DaemonFC Just saying Nvidia's driver is proprietary, full of bugs, and causes data loss will get you banned from the Fedora "community". [20:56] DaemonFC It does cause data loss sometimes when it freezes up THE ENTIRE COMPUTER and you have to hold the button in. [20:56] DaemonFC The question is how much. [20:57] DaemonFC There is no coordination between Nvidia and the Linux kernel developers, so nobody is really testing this to see how it works together or if some new kernel will introduce something that doesn't get along well with it. [20:57] bnchs DaemonFC: i like how retarded users [20:57] bnchs blame nvidia's sloppily coded kernel module [20:57] bnchs on linux's fault [20:57] TR News Do these animal consent to being there? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-60850923 [20:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-humber-60850923 [20:57] TR Bot The Deep aquarium attraction marks 20th anniversary - BBC News [20:57] bnchs "no its linux's fault that my PC crashed and lost all my work" [20:58] bnchs never nvidia [20:58] TR News Tell that to Bill Gates https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/our-communities/east/human-trafficking-must-end-576321662.html [20:58] TR Bot Human trafficking must end - Winnipeg Free Press [20:58] DaemonFC Fedora's official position went from "We recommend you buy a video card from AMD or Intel so it will just work and won't break down all the time." to "If you use Nvidia, we go out of our way to support it, even when that's impossible and requires clumsy hacks that lead to more bugs.". [20:58] DaemonFC "You have to support it because it's what people are buying!" [20:59] bnchs maybe the linux kernel should make their taint messages more noticable [20:59] schestowitz https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/03/22/hybrid-quantum-computing-ecosystem/ [20:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: nvidia.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2022/03/22/hybrid-quantum-computing-ecosystem/ [20:59] TR Bot Hybrid Quantum Computing Ecosystem Taps cuQuantum | NVIDIA Blogs [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 61.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 96.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 207.11 [20:59] DaemonFC AMD's cards work fine with Intel CPUs. [20:59] DaemonFC They work perfectly fine with Intel's CPUs. [20:59] bnchs "warning: this module is proprietary, it may cause system instability or other problems." [20:59] DaemonFC So whichever CPU vendor you use, just buy an AMD card and you won't have problems with a graphics driver on GNU/Linux. It will just be there in the Linux kernel and tested for function before each kernel goes out. ● Mar 24 [21:00] TR News "You can also use a Text User Interface (TUI). In fact, you can build gdb the GNU Debugger with a built-in TUI mode." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/22/hacked-gdb-dashboard-puts-it-all-on-display/ [21:00] TR Bot GDB Dashboard Puts It All On Display | Hackaday [21:00] DaemonFC Only if people refuse to purchase things from Nvidia does the problem go away. [21:00] DaemonFC Either they'll open source a driver that works, or they'll as least be financially damaged. Either way it won't be your problem because you no longer depend on them. [21:00] schestowitz-TR most people do not buy nvidia [21:00] schestowitz-TR they buy a pc [21:01] schestowitz-TR the oem puts nvidia in that [21:01] bnchs the OS should warn the user [21:01] bnchs if the user installs proprietary drivers [21:01] bnchs and say "the kernel is not responsible for issues caused by driver" [21:01] DaemonFC AMD CPUs automatically have AMD integrated GPUs the majority of the time. The OEM would have to pay more to license something from Nvidia and therefore usually doesn't. [21:01] TR News [Update: Removed for repair] Read as: BS 'reporting' https://9to5google.com/2022/03/22/google-removes-popular-android-statues-from-mountain-view-hq/ [21:01] TR Bot removes Android statues from Mountain View HQ - 9to5Google [21:02] DaemonFC With an Intel setup, most of the time it has an Intel integrated GPU. [21:02] DaemonFC Putting Nvidia in would only cost more, so it doesn't happen unless it's a "gaming laptop". [21:03] bnchs nvidia is like the microsoft of GPUs [21:03] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I've been buying and freezing a bunch of steak, chicken, and ground beef again. [21:03] bnchs they invent their own "standard" (CUDA, and shit) [21:03] bnchs their drivers are proprietary [21:03] bnchs they lock in programs with their "standard" [21:03] DaemonFC Hopefully I can at least get us through the next year or so before we have to worry about price hikes.... (or not being able to get what we want at all). [21:03] TR News Linux on the M1 Is Already Beating Apple at Its Own Game http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162909#comment-33182 [21:03] TR Bot Asahi Linux: The Individual Users Stake in an Apple Silicon World | Tux Machines [21:03] DaemonFC There can be a food shortage in someone else's house. [21:06] TR News Project Zero: Racing against the clock -- hitting a tiny kernel race window https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/03/racing-against-clock-hitting-tiny.html Source: gulag projectzero [21:06] TR Bot Project Zero: Racing against the clock -- hitting a tiny kernel race window [21:07] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: very hungry people become very violent very fast [21:07] schestowitz-TR maybe biden will pull another 109 trillion dollars ain loan [21:07] schestowitz-TR and pass it to waltons [21:08] schestowitz-TR to 'feed the hungry' [21:08] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: siren) [21:08] DaemonFC Hence gun. [21:08] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:08] schestowitz-TR to keep the pitchforks aside [21:08] immibis I heard they're planning to pay people to burn more dinosaurs [21:08] DaemonFC Mom has a gun now. [21:08] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162959 [21:08] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:08] immibis DaemonFC: then civilization is already fucked and you're fighting to not be one of the ones who inevitably dies [21:08] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: sounds like usland is about to invade mexico [21:08] schestowitz-TR for peacekeeping... from drug gangs [21:08] DaemonFC I've installed additional locks on my door so that they give me more time to load my revolver for them. [21:09] immibis nature: "Okay, 2 billion people are going to die. Who's it gonna be?" [21:09] DaemonFC They're going to get something when they break down my door, but it won't be food. [21:09] immibis DaemonFC: will they be black? [21:09] DaemonFC Most likely. That's who lives in this neighborhood. [21:09] DaemonFC It actually keeps rent down byt about a third vs. living anywhere else in this godforsaken country. [21:09] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:10] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:11] DaemonFC Anyone who bothers to be a landlord here knows they can't command high rent. [21:11] DaemonFC Most black people who live here are broke and the white people who are totally-not-racist Democrats pay more to live somewhere they're not at. [21:12] DaemonFC I've thought about ditching the car and just dealing with $1,300 a month rent that's across from where Mandy works. [21:13] DaemonFC When gas cost less I was considering it less. [21:13] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, They've been blaring ads for an app called getupside on the radio. [21:13] DaemonFC They claim it pays you to use certain gas stations instead of others. [21:13] *activelow (~activelow@g9hda3zjbn9hi.irc) has joined #techrights [21:14] DaemonFC Users reviewing it in the Play Store say it's almost impossible to cash out and get your money. [21:14] bnchs lol [21:14] DaemonFC They also say that getupside often doesn't process your receipts because it will say you went to the wrong gas station because the address in the app was wrong by one street number. [21:14] bnchs another shitty scam [21:14] bnchs DUMPED [21:15] DaemonFC They also complain that the app lies about gas prices. [21:15] DaemonFC It'll say things like "Go to this station and it's $3.99 a gallon right now and we'll give you 11 cents a gallon off. [21:15] DaemonFC So you drive there and it's actually $4.29, and had you gone to the Shell down the road, it would have been $4.09 that day. [21:16] bnchs shitty scam [21:16] bnchs dont trust anything that relies on sponsorships [21:16] DaemonFC Yes, "Oh look, an app that pays me to fill up my gas tank!". [21:16] DaemonFC Too good to be true. [21:16] DaemonFC Credit cards often have high gas rewards to draw people to sign up for the card, and you really do get those rewards though. [21:18] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818217.jpg [21:18] Alternative link Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818217.jpg [21:20] DaemonFC I think the best I can do is about a 6.5% discount to gasoline. [21:21] DaemonFC Coming from my credit card rewards, my Murphy gasoline discount, and buying E15 (and adjusting for the small loss of gas mileage). [21:21] activelow in germany it is more than $10 per gallon (~2.20Euros/liter); before the Ukraine escalation it was ~1.75Euros/liter ~$8/gallon [21:21] DaemonFC Yes, which is also why there's all those European clown cars. [21:22] DaemonFC It's always been incredibly expensive there. [21:22] DaemonFC Probably due to taxation. Who knows? I don't know. [21:22] DaemonFC You'd probably know better than me. [21:22] activelow with recent tax-cuts in some European countries price was lowered from $10 back to $8/gallon [21:22] DaemonFC All those "free" social programs. [21:22] DaemonFC How do those work? [21:22] DaemonFC :) [21:22] TR News "So yes, as it turned out NetBSD was just running happily on the Pi, but was cut off from the net. After I reset the adapter everything was fine again." gopher://sdfeu.org:70/0/users/glaciurso/phlog/2022-03-24__Sick.md [21:23] activelow and it is both, too expensive in Europe and far to cheap in USA... where most of the "eco" and "climate" quackery is produced [21:23] DaemonFC Oh there's plenty of nuts and fruits in Europe, or from Europe. [21:23] schestowitz-TR it is not quackery [21:23] DaemonFC mjg59_ moved from there to the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes. [21:23] DaemonFC California [21:24] activelow a current discussion over Ukraine is, if energy contracts are negotiated with USD, Euros or Rubles [21:24] DaemonFC Oh it's definitely too expensive in Europe and that's because of bad government policies. [21:24] activelow government policies dictated by USA mainly [21:24] DaemonFC It would be CHEAPER in Illinois if the government would get their goddamned hands out of our pockets. [21:25] DaemonFC They always up the tax and tell us how the roads will be better. [21:25] DaemonFC Years go by. Roads are just as shitty as before. [21:25] DaemonFC Doing all kinds of damage to your car. [21:25] DaemonFC Only now you can't even afford to fix it because the politicians gave people in Chicago more welfare instead of fixing the roads. [21:26] DaemonFC We voted on a Transportation Tax Lock Box in a constitutional referendum. [21:26] DaemonFC It says simply that all transit taxes have to go to roads and transportation infrastructure. [21:26] activelow surprisingly, there is probably contracts with USD involved, in Ukraine; instead of Euros or Rubles [21:26] DaemonFC So then after I vote for it and it passes, the Democrats figured out how to pay for "social justice" projects and call it transportation while the fucking potholes are still there. [21:27] DaemonFC RIGHT THERE! [21:27] DaemonFC Even if Euros were accepted as payment for oil, you would not get much relief. [21:27] TR News England (or UK) released latest mortality report today https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062949/Weekly_report_mortality__W12.pdf last week's: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1061500/Weekly_report_mortality__W11.pdf [21:27] Alternative link Cloudflare: service.gov.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1062949/Weekly_report_mortality__W12.pdf [21:27] DaemonFC Again, it's problems with your government policies that are 90% of the problem here. [21:28] DaemonFC Including taxation and limiting what you can refine and bottlenecking production all around. [21:28] DaemonFC You're about to get it a whole lot worse. [21:28] TR News The excess deaths in England and Wales, charted https://www.statista.com/statistics/1131428/excess-deaths-in-england-and-wales/ [21:28] TR Bot Excess deaths in England and Wales 2022 | Statista [21:28] DaemonFC Because now Putin says they won't sell you natural gas or oil except in RUBLES. [21:29] DaemonFC So if you thought having to resort to paying in Dollars for a lot of that was bad, wait until this starts. [21:29] activelow whose policies? the most prominent agitators of high "carbon tax" are "Alliance90/greens", and those are controlled by and minions of USA/Washington/RAND Corp. California Tesla Shareholders [21:29] DaemonFC We've got the same problem brewing here. [21:29] DaemonFC Look at what gas DOES cost in California. [21:29] DaemonFC It's nearly $8 in some places because of liberal nutcases. [21:29] activelow that's why, "carbon certificates" were agitated for, by USA and minions, because Tesla acquired enormous amounts of those certificates by producing economically and ecologically hazardous vehicles [21:30] DaemonFC Elon Musk is full of shit and so are battery cars. [21:30] DaemonFC They lose 57% of their range per charge in an Illinois winter. [21:30] DaemonFC So for more than half the year, you lose 50% of your rated MPGe. [21:30] DaemonFC Woohoo. [21:30] activelow ordinary combustion engine vehicle producers then are _forced_ to acquire those certificates, that's what the "value" of Tesla is (although their cars are shiny, that's not the deal) [21:30] TR News "Excess deaths refers to the number of deaths in this week minus average number of deaths in England and Wales for the corresponding week in the previous five years." This means we now use a reference of two years of COVID-19, plus 3 without it. Not a very useful metric. [21:31] DaemonFC WGN did an article on the cost to run an electric car and failed to mention that the MPGe only accounts for warm weather. [21:31] DaemonFC The whole thing is a scam to prop up an EV industry that would never exist otherwise. [21:31] activelow it is a scam to funnel cash into "carbon certificates" [21:32] DaemonFC And in Illinois, they're taxing my fuel and buying these ridiculous EV locomotive engines for Metra. [21:32] DaemonFC Get a load of that shit. [21:32] DaemonFC EV buses, too. [21:32] DaemonFC Which they can never run at scale because there's not enough electricity in the first place, because the Democrats are at war with all kinds of power. [21:32] DaemonFC They're the ULTIMATE BANANA party. [21:32] activelow anyway, seems Ukrainian Oil and Gas are the new "renewable energy" now [21:32] DaemonFC It's not just NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard), it's BANANA. [21:33] DaemonFC Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone. [21:33] TR News As a hypothetical example, if in 2017-2019 we have excess deaths Xx3 and then in 2020 it was X+1000 and in 2021 X+2000, then now X+600 is considered absolutely "normal"... [21:33] DaemonFC So they have us limping by on subsidized nuclear power with another brick through our metaphorical window with ComEd ransom letters every year. [21:33] bnchs why does it always end up being bad when you tell the truth to your therapist [21:33] DaemonFC And they're shutting down pretty much everything but that, except for solar and wind, which are both intermittent. [21:34] bnchs you have to lie to them [21:34] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR would like ComEd because the corruption is at all levels. [21:35] DaemonFC They make us subsidize our own "cheap" energy, along with political bribes that our former House Speaker is literally on trial over now....FELONIES.....then the people the guy picked to run ComEd, which they bribed him to install there, spend our money to migrate their computing platform INTO Microsoft Azure. [21:36] DaemonFC Then everything they steal from us is for a good cause. Microsoft Azure = Lower Carbon Footprint says Communist Edison. [21:38] DaemonFC The Future Energy Jobs Act created no new jobs and produced no energy. [21:38] DaemonFC In fact, it shut down three coal plants and gave ComEd another $685 million to keep outdated nuclear plants running longer. [21:39] schestowitz lots of CPUs https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-In-Field-Scan [21:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-In-Field-Scan [21:39] TR Bot "In-Field Scan" Coming With Sapphire Rapids As New Silicon Failure Testing Feature - Phoronix [21:39] DaemonFC Indiana had the right idea, at the wrong time. [21:39] DaemonFC They spent a ton of money on a coal-to-gas plant and then never brought it online. [21:40] schestowitz Entire racks https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=intel_sandy_alder_lrg [21:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=intel_sandy_alder_lrg [21:40] TR Bot Image (Intel Sandy Alder) [21:40] DaemonFC If it was running right now, it could take cheap coal, remove the impurities, turn it into natural gas, and pit it in the gas pipes for 30% cheaper than natural gas. [21:40] schestowitz I cannot locate the photos of his second DC or shack with all these goods [21:40] schestowitz "Gifts" [21:40] DaemonFC *put [21:40] *psydroid9 has quit (Quit: Quit) [21:41] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [21:41] schestowitz Boxed https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=linux_517_lrg [21:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=linux_517_lrg [21:41] TR Bot Image (Linux 517) [21:41] schestowitz there might be like 1000 CPUs in his home [21:41] schestowitz who's even counting? [21:41] DaemonFC The US has so much coal we could hardly use all of it in the next 200 years if we decided to. [21:41] DaemonFC You can even turn it into gasoline. [21:41] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [21:42] DaemonFC The Nazis did is with technology that existed in the 1940s. [21:42] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=rosewill-rsv-4310&image=rosewill_rsv4310_1_lrg [21:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=rosewill-rsv-4310&image=rosewill_rsv4310_1_lrg [21:42] TR Bot Rosewill RSV-4310 - Useful Revision To One Of The Best Value 4U Server Cases Image (Rosewill Rsv4310 1) [21:42] DaemonFC I'm sure we could manage to do it better now. [21:43] DaemonFC If we wanted to absolutely ruin Russia, we have all of the tools and resources to do that. [21:44] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [21:44] DaemonFC Those filthy Arab countries too. [21:44] DaemonFC When you have Democrats you get the worst possible outcome. [21:45] DaemonFC They tell us we can't afford to extract fossil fuels because of the environment, but we keep using more every year anyway, and paying to prop up dictators and other monsters to sell it to us instead. [21:45] bnchs schestowitz: when AMD sends you tons of CPUs [21:46] bnchs you gotta have to do a favor for them [21:46] DaemonFC At least AMD keeps people on after they turn 40. [21:46] schestowitz Getting closer https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Server-Room-More-Storage [21:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Server-Room-More-Storage [21:46] TR Bot More Storage For The Benchmarking Room & More - Phoronix [21:46] schestowitz there is a second room IIRC [21:46] DaemonFC Instead of wanting a fresh crop of idiots who work cheap and produce the buggiest chips ever. [21:47] bnchs more room [21:47] bnchs hmmm [21:47] bnchs did he have to demolish a wall for that [21:47] DaemonFC Intel is like Microsoft. They panic because they've fucked shit up and start an "acquisition binge". [21:47] schestowitz 6 years ago https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-room-one&num=4 [21:47] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-room-one&num=4 [21:47] TR Bot One Year Redux On The Basement Computer Room For Benchmarking 50+ Systems Daily - Phoronix [21:47] DaemonFC Overpaying for things that they'll either shut down to stop competition or won't utilize efficiently. [21:48] DaemonFC The Simpsons had an episode in the early 90s that's still absolutely Microsoft today. [21:49] schestowitz Michael on the right https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xdc_2012day1_5_lrg [21:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xdc_2012day1_5_lrg [21:49] TR Bot Image (Xdc 2012day1 5) [21:49] DaemonFC Bill Gates hears that Homer started a dotcom company and swoops in to buy it and smash up all of the computer equipment in Homer's house even not understanding what the company actually does. [21:49] DaemonFC Their job isn't to acquire things and improve Microsoft. [21:50] schestowitz btw, to clarify [21:50] schestowitz this isn't about the hoarding [21:50] DaemonFC It's to suck the oxygen out of the room so you have to use their products even if they're much worse. [21:50] schestowitz but about the excess gifting [21:50] schestowitz which then results in covert marketing [21:50] schestowitz-TR I'm sure I saw some photos before that I cannot find anymore [21:50] DaemonFC I figure the "chicken shortage" is probably a self-fulfilling prophesy, or they hope it becomes one. [21:50] schestowitz-TR not that they were removed [21:51] DaemonFC The thing they did, schestowitz-TR .... [21:51] schestowitz-TR I just don't know how to refine the search [21:51] DaemonFC Walmart no longer carries much of their generic chicken anymore. [21:51] DaemonFC But is overflowing with Tyson and Perdue. [21:51] DaemonFC Which is essentially price fixing by way of forcing anyone who wants chicken onto the expensive brand. [21:52] DaemonFC I've cooked with both Walmart's brand "freshness guaranteed" and with Tyson and Perdue (when I can find it on markdown), and there's no meaningful quality difference in the food I make that I can discern. [21:53] DaemonFC The Tyson and Perdue labels just mean you'll be paying another $1.50 per pound for that chicken. [21:53] DaemonFC In fact, they owe me class action money still for a chicken price fixing lawsuit they settled last year. [21:54] DaemonFC If you go to every store and the price is exactly the same or never varies by more than a few cents, you've got price fixing. [21:55] DaemonFC One thing Walmart does to make their chicken look less expensive than the same brand at Jewel or Kroger, is Jewel and Kroger charge you for the chicken and tare their scale to disregard the package weight. [21:55] DaemonFC Walmart throws in the weight of the package and charges you a lower unit price. [21:55] DaemonFC In the end, the price you pay for the chicken in the package is roughly the same. ● Mar 24 [22:02] *psydroid8 has quit (Quit: Quit) [22:03] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [22:03] *psydroid8 has quit (connection closed) [22:03] *psydroid8 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [22:04] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:08] schestowitz btw [22:08] schestowitz just did some surveying of twitter [22:08] schestowitz after 3 weeks [22:08] schestowitz posted nothing [22:08] schestowitz just looked around [22:08] schestowitz it's becoming very dead [22:09] schestowitz people whom I know that got like 10 "likes" per tweet years ago are now at 0 or 1 [22:09] schestowitz sometimes 2 [22:09] schestowitz the engagement (what they call it) is down sharply [22:09] schestowitz I hope participation in FB, Twitter, and all these censorship hubs will go down to zero [22:10] schestowitz people might even find out what the Internet really is [22:11] schestowitz Apple Mac LOL https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xds2012_nue_mass_lrg [22:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xds2012_nue_mass_lrg [22:11] TR Bot Image (Xds2012 Nue Mass) [22:12] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818188.jpg [22:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/818188.jpg [22:12] schestowitz Is that Keith Packard? https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xds2012_nue_prost_lrg [22:12] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=xds2012_nue_prost_lrg [22:12] TR Bot Image (Xds2012 Nue Prost) [22:13] DaemonFC Twitter is a dead platform. [22:13] DaemonFC It's full of politicians and corporate PR shit. [22:13] DaemonFC It's totally meaningless now. [22:13] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=belgium_brussels_fosdem3_lrg [22:13] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=0x2011&image=belgium_brussels_fosdem3_lrg [22:13] TR Bot Image (Belgium Brussels Fosdem3) [22:14] schestowitz-TR celebs and politicians [22:14] schestowitz-TR the trouble is, [22:14] DaemonFC They spent years letting Trump break all of their rules and even call for people to be murdered because he drove "engagement". [22:14] schestowitz-TR twitter traffic is down [22:14] schestowitz-TR and twitter channels what's left to high-propfile people [22:14] schestowitz-TR who make twitter seem like it's a busy hub [22:14] schestowitz-TR it does so at the expense of ordinary longtime users [22:14] schestowitz-TR who twitter diverts attention away from [22:14] DaemonFC I don't know exactly how I'll be voting in the upcoming elections. [22:15] schestowitz-TR it's more profitable this way [22:15] schestowitz-TR like TikTok getting caught banning ugly people [22:15] DaemonFC I was considering one of the Republicans because he was on the Metra board of directors and opposed some corrupt CEOs. [22:15] DaemonFC But then I did some digging and he's also being propped up by some anti-gay marriage PAC. [22:15] DaemonFC I have no idea what they think he can accomplish as the governor of Illinois on that front. [22:16] DaemonFC Probably just hoping he can get away with any sort of harassment the platform brings them. [22:16] DaemonFC Metra should have been reformed years ago. [22:16] DaemonFC They need new equipment, but have no money because they kept fares down for so long. [22:17] DaemonFC And they need to modernize ticketing to make fare evasion much harder to raise money for expenses. [22:17] DaemonFC People get away with fare evasion, especially on the lines managed by Union Pacific, because UP doesn't want the contract anymore and they figure if they can bleed Metra like a stuck pig by not checking tickets, Metra will stop fighting them in court. [22:19] activelow gay marriage is a private matter, which politicians or government have no authority over to interfere either supporting or denying it, it's none of their business, to begin with [22:20] MinceR putler disagrees [22:21] activelow too many political supporters of gay marriage peddle with private affairs, which are none of their concerns [22:22] activelow and I remember a documentary broadcasted by Russia Today, some transgender and gay issues, and it wasn't offensive at all [22:22] schestowitz-TR just got good news [22:22] DaemonFC If the government is the one that licenses marriage, then it should be available to all consenting adults on the same terms. [22:22] schestowitz-TR from EPO [22:22] schestowitz-TR the strike was very effective [22:22] DaemonFC I think you'd be nuts to try to manage a polygamous marriage, but if I was making the laws it wouldn't be illegal. [22:23] MinceR marriage is not the state's business [22:23] MinceR they should stay the fuck out of it [22:23] DaemonFC Like everything, they manipulate you using it. [22:23] *ciphrCat has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:23] DaemonFC They act like it's a right that only exists within their laws. [22:24] DaemonFC Nothing offends the government more than the concept of the natural rights of man. [22:24] MinceR they also try to manipulate people into marrying, typically using the tax system [22:24] DaemonFC Yes, absolutely! [22:25] DaemonFC I pointed out we would have paid 93 times as much in federal income tax if we were single for the most recent year. [22:25] DaemonFC My dad says "You're not really married. You're just taking advantage of a system that was designed for real married couples to make it easier to have children.". [22:25] *ciphrCat (~ciphrCat@v75kd7krrqfvs.irc) has joined #techrights [22:25] bnchs i dont get marriage at all [22:26] DaemonFC I said, "You've been married to Jan for over 20 years, no children, and I doubt you're filing separately on taxes." [22:26] bnchs do you need to sign legal papers for friendship aswell? [22:26] DaemonFC He's barking up the wrong tree. [22:26] DaemonFC Like I don't have anything to fire back with. [22:27] DaemonFC What the hell is his marriage for, under his own "definition", if he doesn't have kids from it and his wife was NEVER capable of having kids and is in her late 60s as well now? [22:27] DaemonFC As far as not being able to have kids goes, his marriage is either as legitimate or illegitimate as a same-sex marriage. [22:27] activelow DaemonFC: children have a right to grow up inside families, with both their mother _and_ their father [22:27] DaemonFC DaemonFC: children have a right to grow up inside families, with both their mother _and_ their father [22:28] DaemonFC My parents also violated that, if you consider it to be a right that I had. [22:28] DaemonFC They divorced when I was 15, and when my brother was 6. [22:28] activelow that's why, i am sceptical, about some feminist ideals of same-sex marriage, where fathers are absent [22:29] DaemonFC Then if that's not bad enough, neither one of them wanted to deal with my brother and sent him away to live with my grandmother. [22:29] *activelow grew up without father too [22:29] DaemonFC While he went off to go pork Jan and mom was with Gonad the Barbarian. [22:29] DaemonFC Dad pretty much just left me in the house alone for weeks on end. [22:29] DaemonFC Totally ignored. [22:29] DaemonFC The upside, I guess, was he wasn't there. [22:30] DaemonFC So I just did whatever I wanted. He left me with money to go grocery shopping and I mean, I got away with a bunch of things an unsupervised teenager would obviously do. [22:31] DaemonFC Invite people over for sex? Why not. Order cigars off the Internet? Go for it. Dad won't be home when the mail gets there. [22:32] DaemonFC For about 2 years, I was left to raise myself. [22:32] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [22:32] DaemonFC The truancy officer was threatening my parents with being hauled before a judge because I wasn't in school when I was 15. [22:32] DaemonFC Neither of them would enforce me going to school. [22:33] DaemonFC So the second I turned 16, my mom and dad were at the door of the local high school to sign papers to make it legal for me to drop out of high school. [22:35] DaemonFC Then I just went and got my GED instead. It wasn't difficult. Lots of people study for it. They have big books for it and everything. I didn't even learn a lot of what was on the test in school. I just went in there and took it and only missed a few questions along the way. They give you 2.5 hours per half, and each night I was done in 20 minutes or so and asked to use the phone so I could get a ride home. [22:35] DaemonFC That was always kind of my attitude about K-12 education. [22:36] DaemonFC "OMFG THIS IS BORING! I KNOW THIS ALREADY! KILL ME! PLEASE KILL ME!!!!" [22:36] DaemonFC That and the bullying. Lots of bullying going on there. [22:37] DaemonFC The only reason there are 12 grades in school (plus Kindergarten too, if you count it) is because they slow everything down due to the retards in the back of the class. [22:37] DaemonFC And then you're lucky if they cover half the book by the end of the year. [22:38] DaemonFC Then if you're still too retarded, they have a special class for retards that can't get a D in the normal class. [22:38] schestowitz-TR can you reead draft? [22:38] DaemonFC This is why people who care about their kids and want them to succeed don't act like my dad did. [22:39] DaemonFC "I PAY TAXES FOR IT SO YOU'RE GOING THERE, DAMMIT!" [22:39] DaemonFC They put their kids in private schools. [22:39] DaemonFC And that's why we need school choice vouchers. [22:39] DaemonFC 1. To break corrupt public unions like Chicago Teachers Union. 2. So the kids who want to learn have a fighting chance. [22:39] DaemonFC can you reead draft? [22:39] DaemonFC Yeah [22:40] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/epo-fake-patents-plunge-in-number/ [22:40] TR Bot With EPO Strike Participation in the Thousands, European Patents Plunge in Number | Techrights [22:40] DaemonFC Public school is what you get when you give education to the government. [22:40] DaemonFC The government doesn't want the people going there to be smart enough to see that they're surrounded by bullshit. [22:40] DaemonFC So it educates them, but only to a certain point. [22:41] DaemonFC "Highest result" [22:41] DaemonFC Do you mean "Lowest"? [22:42] schestowitz-TR i will calarify [22:43] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mK3wFkGFvg [22:43] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9mK3wFkGFvg [22:43] TR Bot yewtu.be | beautiful blackberry - Invidious [22:43] DaemonFC "surveyed stuff" [22:43] DaemonFC staff? [22:43] DaemonFC Although, people are stuff, that's a little rude to call them that. [22:43] DaemonFC :) [22:43] schestowitz-TR yes, saw and ciorected that since [22:43] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@b8wrge84uv522.irc) has joined #techrights [22:44] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:44] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:47] TR News With EPO Strike Participation in the Thousands, European Patents Plunge in Number | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/epo-fake-patents-plunge-in-number/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/epo-fake-patents-plunge-in-number/ [22:50] DaemonFC "Orsk, a Russian warship, was recently featured as part of a lengthy news report on the pro-Putin international TV network, RT. The next day the ship exploded in Ukraine. [22:50] DaemonFC The television piece opens with drone video looking down on the Orsk as the reporter mentions the vessel by name. As the camera shows an armored personnel carrier being slowly lifted off the ship, the reporter declares, This is a unique sight: a Russian naval armada at a port which Ukrainian troops had abandoned without a fight, leaving its facilities entirely intact. [22:50] DaemonFC Later, standing on deck, the reporter reveals some of the ships weaponry, including two large naval guns, before going on to detail the ships main function as a landing vessel. " [22:50] DaemonFC :) [22:50] DaemonFC Two other Russian ships were heavily damaged as well. [22:50] DaemonFC Potentially beyond repair. [22:51] DaemonFC But the fact that the Orsk was featured on RT the day before being blown up by "Ukrainian forces that abandoned the port without a fight" (RT) was hilarious. [22:52] DaemonFC I'm certain that unless the Russians have VPNs and read that the Orsk was blown up, there will certainly be nobody telling them about it. [22:52] DaemonFC XRevan86, ^ :) [22:53] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:53] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:54] DaemonFC Okay, RT seems to be in Third Gear of bullshit now. [22:54] DaemonFC They're targeting readers on their English language site with anti-American propaganda. [22:55] DaemonFC First it was mostly just lies about how their war was going. [22:55] DaemonFC Now they barely talk about the war and start talking about how messed up America supposedly is. Maybe it's for their own sake. [22:56] DaemonFC The average Russian has been on a declining standard of living since the USSR fell apart, and it wasn't that great to begin with. [22:56] DaemonFC The average Russian man is lucky to make it much past 60. [22:56] DaemonFC Here, you're usually planning to be around for 20 or 30 more years at that point. [22:58] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I started taking blood pressure medicine a couple of days ago. [22:58] schestowitz-TR at age 38? [22:58] DaemonFC I went to the doctor because it started regularly running too high, and I took care of the problem. [22:58] DaemonFC Oh, John's was so high he was on it at 20. [22:59] DaemonFC I took him to the doctor to get on it because he let it run sky high and then got nose bleeds. [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.38 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 311.73 [22:59] DaemonFC So when we got the blood pressure under control, I took him to another doctor and had them cauterize the artery so it wouldn't bleed. [22:59] DaemonFC It told him if he came off the blood pressure medicine then he would be doing kidney damage and most likely stroke out by the time he was my age, and that the nose bleeds would come back. ● Mar 24 [23:00] DaemonFC A few months in he stopped taking it. [23:00] DaemonFC Nose bleeds came right back. [23:00] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Yeah, I'm on a different type of medication than John or my mother or father or brother are on. [23:00] DaemonFC It's a newer one with fewer side effects. [23:00] schestowitz DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/the-tony-lists-registry/ [23:01] TR Bot [Meme] Not Registering for the Oppressor | Techrights [23:01] DaemonFC Well, John _was on_, rather. [23:01] DaemonFC I keep trying to fix people who don't seem to actually appreciate the help. [23:01] DaemonFC You'd think not wanting your heart to explode would be incentive enough to fill a cheap generic medicine. [23:01] DaemonFC But nooooooooo. [23:02] DaemonFC An ex of mine had a stroke at 35. [23:02] DaemonFC 35! [23:02] DaemonFC He smokes though. [23:02] DaemonFC That never helps anything. [23:02] schestowitz-TR you smoked also [23:02] DaemonFC A little bit. Not like that. [23:03] DaemonFC Smoking is all kinds of bad for the heart. [23:03] DaemonFC So I'm sure it played a role in him having a stroke. [23:03] DaemonFC It raises your bad cholesterol, destroys the good cholesterol, increases triglycerides, and increases blood pressure directly. [23:04] DaemonFC For some people they can solve their high blood pressure entirely just by quitting cigarettes. It's the only reason it's high. [23:04] DaemonFC For others, the cigarettes certainly make it worse. [23:05] DaemonFC The doctor started me on Irbesartan. [23:05] DaemonFC I had not heard of it before because a lot of the doctors still like to use lisinopril. [23:06] DaemonFC Lisinopril is much more likely to cause you to faint. [23:06] DaemonFC My dad was on it when he was my age. It was brand-only then, called Zestril. [23:06] DaemonFC And Dr. Botkin put him on it. [23:07] DaemonFC I remember my dad passing out a couple of times because he stood up too fast. [23:07] TR News [Meme] Not Registering for the Oppressor | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/the-tony-lists-registry/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/the-tony-lists-registry/ [23:07] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, It also caused him to pass out on roller coasters. [23:07] DaemonFC But he still went on them. [23:08] schestowitz-TR He feltOK [23:08] DaemonFC The medications work by relaxing your blood vessels, so anything that causes a sudden large change in blood pressure can cause fainting. [23:08] DaemonFC Or lightheadedness. [23:08] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Yes, you mentioned Ahnuld. [23:09] DaemonFC And how he was alive only because medicine gave him years back that he squandered. [23:09] DaemonFC With the steroids and the cigars. [23:09] DaemonFC My dad is alive because medicine gave him years back that he took from himself by smoking and having a really shitty diet. [23:09] DaemonFC Same with grandma, and mom, and my brother. [23:10] DaemonFC And me too I suppose, at some point. [23:10] DaemonFC The body is capable of self-repair to an extent, but putting unnecessary stress on it isn't a great idea. [23:11] DaemonFC One reason why people who get their vaccines live longer, statistically, is because being sick with vaccine-preventable illnesses are very hard on you. [23:11] DaemonFC Even the flu. [23:12] DaemonFC All of that inflammation just from the flu can mean the difference between getting and not getting dementia (or getting dementia earlier or more severe) later in life. [23:12] DaemonFC The damage is cumulative. [23:12] TR News What's "magic" about it? Nothing. Pure hype from Apple. I had a better portable keyboard 20 years ago. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/deal-apple-magic-keyboard-for-11-ipad-pro/ [23:12] TR Bot Take Up to $60 Off an Apple Magic Keyboard for 11" iPad Pro - Make Tech Easier [23:12] DaemonFC The Alzheimer's Foundation recommends getting your flu shots. [23:12] DaemonFC But mom won't hear any of it. [23:12] DaemonFC She's convinced the vaccine causes dementia. [23:13] DaemonFC Even though we have stats on groups that do get the flu shots, and those that don't. Observational studies, right? [23:13] DaemonFC And there's a sharp difference, in favor, of the group that got their flu shots. [23:13] TR News Microsoft Windows TCO https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/24/state-sponsored-russian-cyber-actors-targeted-energy-sector-2011 [23:13] TR Bot State-Sponsored Russian Cyber Actors Targeted Energy Sector from 2011 to 2018 | CISA [23:14] DaemonFC Modern medicine is terrific. I wish that more people could afford it. [23:14] TR News Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/ [23:14] TR Bot Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights [23:14] DaemonFC Obamacare has driven out people who could previously pay cash to see their doctor and fill their maintenance meds. Forced them to buy junk insurance that doesn't kick in until they've spent $9,000 that year. [23:15] DaemonFC Although that's a lot easier when medication costs have more than tripled, and seeing the doctor is 12 times more expensive. [23:15] DaemonFC On balance, it's damaged people more than it is worth, by a factor of at least 10. [23:16] DaemonFC Health Insurance companies are not "healthcare" they don't provide anything. [23:16] DaemonFC They take in a dollar, pay out about 60 cents in "healthcare" telling you what you're allowed to have. [23:16] DaemonFC The top line discounts are from forming an illegal cartel with hospitals and doctors groups to bill an insane fake price, and only give discounts to people with "insurance". [23:17] DaemonFC This isn't much less corrupt than the mafia selling you "fire insurance". [23:17] DaemonFC If you have no insurance, they'll ruin your "credit rating".....blackmail. [23:18] *bnchs (~bnchs@dhignbj8vrfhg.irc) has joined #techrights [23:18] DaemonFC And potentially the only way to preclude a lawsuit would be to negotiate to pay 40-50% of the amount to the collection agency to keep it out of court. [23:18] DaemonFC The Democrats have been worse on healthcare than the Republicans ever were. [23:19] DaemonFC At least when the Republicans let everyone fend for themselves, the doctors had to charge less because otherwise they couldn't get the business to fill all of their time slots. [23:19] TR News Foundries and Arduino Team To Patch IoT Devices http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162945#comment-33184 [23:19] TR Bot Portenta X8 is the first Linux Arduino board | Tux Machines [23:19] DaemonFC MinceR is right about the Democrats. He gets what's happening here. [23:20] DaemonFC Their goal is to obviously destroy their party by ruining people with "help" they didn't need and "taxes" they can't afford, and to make them so pissed off by saying they are all "entitled and privileged" for being white and living in the ghetto. [23:21] MinceR i don't remember saying that [23:21] TR News "This is a recorded online presentation about curl that I did today, March 24 2022. How it started, grew, where it is today, how we make it and where it perhaps might go in the future." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/let-me-tell-you-about-curl/ [23:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/24/let-me-tell-you-about-curl/ [23:21] TR Bot me tell you about curl | daniel.haxx.se [23:22] TR News 'Solutions' (gimmicks) in search of a REAL problem https://www.maketecheasier.com/scan-qr-code-from-image-mobile/ [23:22] TR Bot How to Scan QR Codes from a Screenshot or Image on Android and iPhone - Make Tech Easier [23:23] TR News Actions by (and courage of) the examiners at the EPO have yielded a massive difference in so-called production (managements lowering of the quality bar in order to fake growth) http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/epo-fake-patents-plunge-in-number/ [23:23] TR Bot With EPO Strike Participation in the Thousands, European Patents Plunge in Number | Techrights [23:23] TR News Not many EPO workers have taken the bait/trap set up and put there by the person theyre protesting and striking against Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/24/the-tony-lists-registry/ Source: Techrights | EPO | Corruption| Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/24/the-tony-lists-registry/ [23:23] TR Bot [Meme] Not Registering for the Oppressor | Techrights [23:24] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [23:31] DaemonFC i don't remember saying that [23:31] DaemonFC Might have been SJWs. [23:31] DaemonFC They're letting all of the fake SJWs like Matt Gulag have a "voice". [23:32] DaemonFC He can richsplain and whitesplain to black people why they're suffering. [23:32] DaemonFC While he, a rich white man, who has to send Roy hate mail, sees no irony. 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