Join us now at the IRC channel.
| sebsebseb | yeah things have gone online since covid | Apr 24 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: It's the new Skype for Business | Apr 24 00:00 |
| XRevan86 | which was the new Microsoft Office Communicator | Apr 24 00:00 |
| MinceR | it's an "instant messenger" that fails to notify both on mobile and on web, and sends you email 1 hour later, whining that someone tried to talk to you | Apr 24 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: yes but for public speaking stuff they will only use Zoom | Apr 24 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: for our virtual LUG meeting we will use jitsi | Apr 24 00:00 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: That's dumb. | Apr 24 00:00 |
| MinceR | it also pops up a notification on mobile of a message that it will then never show anywhere | Apr 24 00:00 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136753 [https://pleroma.site/objects/53aef9d6-af50-41ce-ad0f-5f5d62ffe728] | Apr 24 00:00 | |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: people who don't get tech enough, get suckedi into companies | Apr 24 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | XRevan86: sometimes even whilst paying for extra features | Apr 24 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what do you need teams for ? | Apr 24 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | it's like telegram | Apr 24 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | only open source free software people use that no one else | Apr 24 00:01 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: my job | Apr 24 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep my fun stuff is with a lot of business type people really otherwise, so yep zoom | Apr 24 00:02 |
| MinceR | this is Microsoft Country, we can't stop here | Apr 24 00:02 |
| MinceR | ...or get a job where i wouldn't rely on their counterproductive shit | Apr 24 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | well they may go for google chomre book and things people | Apr 24 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | but that's just another company | Apr 24 00:02 |
| MinceR | at least google's stuff sometimes works | Apr 24 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just got my haircut kit. | Apr 24 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gave myself a buzz cut. | Apr 24 00:03 |
| MinceR | one gets the occasional glimpse of competence when using google stuff | Apr 24 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Had Mandy trim it up. | Apr 24 00:03 |
| smnthermes | > XRevan86 Wrote: | Apr 24 00:03 |
| smnthermes | > smnthermes: Except there won't be anything left but Blink. | Apr 24 00:03 |
| smnthermes | Then people wouldn't have an illusion of choice | Apr 24 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: yes werid self heair cuts :D under lock down | Apr 24 00:03 |
| MinceR | when using microsloth stuff, it's an unending parade of failure and incompetence | Apr 24 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: who's mandy ? | Apr 24 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: indeed | Apr 24 00:03 |
| MinceR | wall-to-wall broken features everywhere | Apr 24 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Husband. | Apr 24 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Microsoft stuff is mostly pretty rubbish, but yet has quite a lot of market share still | Apr 24 00:03 |
| MinceR | if you even see anything other than just an error message (which is what ShitHub does) | Apr 24 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m] has a husband ? | Apr 24 00:03 |
| MinceR | yes, people apparently love shit | Apr 24 00:03 |
| MinceR | especially if it's expensive | Apr 24 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep they do, and when they don't know better | Apr 24 00:04 |
| XRevan86 | sebsebseb: It's not much of a choice, but I'll take it. | Apr 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi is getting much better. | Apr 24 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and if lots of people theey know use it too | Apr 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thanked them for the ad blocker. Fucking Manifestv3 in Chrome. | Apr 24 00:04 |
| MinceR | when is vivaldi becoming free software? | Apr 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | sebsebseb: Yeah, I've been married almost a year now. | Apr 24 00:04 |
| smnthermes | Vivaldi is just another Chromium shell | Apr 24 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC[m]: uh so your gay ? | Apr 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > when is vivaldi becoming free software? | Apr 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Free download. LOL | Apr 24 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When is Firefox going to be Free again? | Apr 24 00:04 |
| MinceR | when is firefox going to be not shit again? | Apr 24 00:05 |
| MinceR | probably never. | Apr 24 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're putting nonfree blobs and proprietary backend stuff in it. | Apr 24 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi is.....eh. | Apr 24 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't find a reason to like Mozilla anymore so I just switched to Vivaldi. | Apr 24 00:05 |
| MinceR | vivaldi is proprietary | Apr 24 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: uh so your gay ? | Apr 24 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah | Apr 24 00:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Every Vivaldi fan will tell you that you can find some tarballs with old sources %) | Apr 24 00:06 |
| XRevan86 | old sources available software | Apr 24 00:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, what i want for the role of the client application most exposed to attacks is some old, unmaintained sources | Apr 24 00:06 |
| cubexyz | I just want a web browser that can work on my older comupters | Apr 24 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi bumps to the latest Chromium 2-3 days after it's out. | Apr 24 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora sometimes lets 150 vulnerabilities pile up before they bump Chromium. | Apr 24 00:07 |
| cubexyz | I can X11 forward with compression, but it's still kind of slow | Apr 24 00:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 24 00:08 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: maybe vnc works better? :> | Apr 24 00:08 |
| MinceR | it's dumber but also simpler :> | Apr 24 00:08 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Oh hey, it's the "at least the proprietary stuff doesn't need to be compiled on Gentoo" logic %). | Apr 24 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can put proprietary software into portage. | Apr 24 00:09 |
| smnthermes | > cubexyz Wrote: | Apr 24 00:09 |
| smnthermes | > I just want a web browser that can work on my older comupters | Apr 24 00:09 |
| smnthermes | Maybe some WebKit browser | Apr 24 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: But it's pre-compiled still, very convinient | Apr 24 00:09 |
| MinceR | with bedrock, you can have binary packages from a distro that supports them alongside ebuilds :> | Apr 24 00:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You're overthinking it. | Apr 24 00:10 |
| XRevan86 | One can just not use Gentoo then %). | Apr 24 00:11 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 00:11 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 00:12 | |
| MinceR | yes, if one doesn't want easy access to locally configured and built packages | Apr 24 00:15 |
| XRevan86 | Such as Vivaldi, Skype, Slack… | Apr 24 00:15 |
| XRevan86 | that USB stick flasher on Electron I forgot the name of | Apr 24 00:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 00:16 |
| MinceR | yeah, i wouldn't be caught dead writing an image to a usb flash device if the software i used for that didn't have an entire web browser in it | Apr 24 00:16 |
| MinceR | someone should reimplement true and false on top of electron | Apr 24 00:17 |
| MinceR | that will shut up people complaining about GNU's versions being too big! | Apr 24 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But that's without GUI | Apr 24 00:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Would you settle for xeyes in Electron? | Apr 24 00:17 |
| MinceR | no | Apr 24 00:18 |
| MinceR | xeyes is not trivial enough :> | Apr 24 00:18 |
| MinceR | you could pop up a GUI for a moment in Backdoors style though | Apr 24 00:18 |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/29/5fdbacf335b68dcd.gif | Apr 24 00:21 |
| MinceR | or, better yet, have a really resource-heavy button to confirm that indeed you want to return true or false | Apr 24 00:22 |
| *kingoffrance (~x__@c-67-161-241-22.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 00:44 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 00:51 | |
| *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 00:51 | |
| *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has left #techrights | Apr 24 00:54 | |
| *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 00:57 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 01:02 | |
| *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | Apr 24 01:15 | |
| *sebsebseb has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Apr 24 01:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: From Bifrost to Panfrost - deep dive into the first render http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136754 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5ee9ecc8-0486-4f8d-b612-9159c8e550d9] | Apr 24 01:35 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136755 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bdd48816-e9e6-4f41-925e-2c4c7a6bd88c] | Apr 24 01:51 | |
| *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has left #techrights | Apr 24 01:56 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The virus killed two illegal immigrants in the Cook County jail today. | Apr 24 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One was held on attempted murder and was awaiting trial. | Apr 24 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The other was drunk driving and probation violation for another drunk driving citation. | Apr 24 01:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: over two thousand people died today in US | Apr 24 02:03 |
| schestowitz | with covid19 in them | Apr 24 02:03 |
| schestowitz | so why focus on these two undocumented felons? | Apr 24 02:03 |
| schestowitz | sounds like A VERY BREITBARTY type of angle :-) | Apr 24 02:04 |
| *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 02:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think it very much remains to be seen where things land here. | Apr 24 02:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Locking Down Linux For The Enterprise http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136756 [https://pleroma.site/objects/89b24111-2f49-4694-9d42-311eb527ae38] | Apr 24 02:19 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm just glass half full here. | Apr 24 02:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's taking out Trump voters, cops, and people in prison at a much higher rate than anyone else. | Apr 24 02:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who absolutely will not quit going to church... | Apr 24 02:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: that's why I don't read "the news" | Apr 24 02:36 |
| schestowitz | 2200+ people died | Apr 24 02:36 |
| schestowitz | and here you focus on the felony records of just two | Apr 24 02:36 |
| schestowitz | who were not US citizens or whatever | Apr 24 02:36 |
| schestowitz | focus on the bigger picture | Apr 24 02:36 |
| schestowitz | 6,600 people died yesterday with positive tests done on them prior to death | Apr 24 02:36 |
| schestowitz | those 2 people don't matter in the grand scheme of things | Apr 24 02:36 |
| schestowitz | this contributes to this notion that "immigrant" = bad person | Apr 24 02:37 |
| schestowitz | and techrights isn't into this waste of time BS... | Apr 24 02:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You go to jail and commit crimes, you take your chances. | Apr 24 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People get shanked and beaten up and raped and all kinds of things in prison. | Apr 24 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You murder someone, you go there, bad things happen. It's supposed to scare normal people. A lot of the people that end up there repeatedly, there's just something incredibly wrong with them. | Apr 24 02:39 |
| CrystalMath | approx 200,000,000 people have antibodies to this virus, according to the WHO | Apr 24 02:39 |
| *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has left #techrights | Apr 24 02:39 | |
| CrystalMath | LESS than 200,000 diedd | Apr 24 02:39 |
| CrystalMath | 0.1% | Apr 24 02:39 |
| CrystalMath | this virus ain't taking out anybody | Apr 24 02:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it wasn't unpleasant it would just be this gigantic commune and there wouldn't be a threat anymore. | Apr 24 02:39 |
| CrystalMath | it's physically impossible for this virus to kill any large fraction of people | Apr 24 02:41 |
| *psydread (eace4d91cc@149-210-220-39.colo.transip.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 02:41 | |
| CrystalMath | it has a death rate of 0.1% and a hospitalization rate of 0.2% | Apr 24 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think it should be torture or anything, but the reason it is the way it is, is because people aren't happy when they hear that free people don't have free healthcare, free college, free gym memberships, free food, and a free place to live. | Apr 24 02:41 |
| CrystalMath | for a "pandemic" (more like SCAMdemic), those numbers are pretty poor | Apr 24 02:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they find out that prisoners do. | Apr 24 02:41 |
| CrystalMath | i wish to not have free healthcare | Apr 24 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I am concerned about COVID-19. | Apr 24 02:42 |
| CrystalMath | there is no reason for concern | Apr 24 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not the end of the world, except for a hell of a lot of old people. | Apr 24 02:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Generally speaking, that is. | Apr 24 02:42 |
| CrystalMath | actually, it's not specifically the old that get hit | Apr 24 02:42 |
| CrystalMath | there seems to be a combination of factors | Apr 24 02:42 |
| CrystalMath | ultimately, nobody knows yet | Apr 24 02:42 |
| CrystalMath | 99.8% will have a mild form or asymptomatic, 0.2% will need a hospital | Apr 24 02:43 |
| CrystalMath | you can't know which 0.2% | Apr 24 02:43 |
| CrystalMath | but it seems to include people with cardiovascular problems mostly | Apr 24 02:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you come from an immigrant family too | Apr 24 02:43 |
| schestowitz | iirc, your material family is Irish or something | Apr 24 02:43 |
| schestowitz | looked for new opportunities in the "new world", centuries after Hispanics had done so... | Apr 24 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there are laws here. | Apr 24 02:44 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/20/studies-suggest-very-few-have-had-covid-19-without-symptoms | Apr 24 02:44 |
| schestowitz | so let's keep the toxic racist shite out of here, mmmkay? | Apr 24 02:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | WHO warns that few have developed antibodies to Covid-19 | Society | The Guardian | Apr 24 02:44 | |
| schestowitz | [02:39] <CrystalMath> LESS than 200,000 diedd | Apr 24 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do you just let me into your country and then I get to say "I'm British now. Give me free healthcare and a driver's license?". | Apr 24 02:44 |
| schestowitz | billions are in self-isolation or quarantine | Apr 24 02:44 |
| schestowitz | you don't see the full picture | Apr 24 02:44 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: which is ridiculous | Apr 24 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Also, point me to the welfare office in case I need to use it!" | Apr 24 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Conspiracy nut/crank, in self-isolation with billions more: see? This corona thing doesn't kill many. Self-isolation is a scam!Sunken boat passenger, inside a life boat: see? Boats are totally safe. Nobody died. Life boats are a total waste of money! \ | Apr 24 02:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The UK doesn't let people "forget" to leave when their visa expires. When they find you, you're out of there. | Apr 24 02:45 |
| schestowitz | [02:44] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, there are laws here. | Apr 24 02:45 |
| schestowitz | native americans did not have such laws | Apr 24 02:45 |
| schestowitz | or could not enforce them, they didn't have barrels with gunpower inside | Apr 24 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For some reason, America having laws is bad even when they're largely just unenforced, even under Trump. | Apr 24 02:46 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest articles and videos about Ubuntu 20.04 release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136744#comment-24718 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8164430a-ca32-4bfc-965c-5639864601e9] | Apr 24 02:46 | |
| schestowitz | the narrative you posted here exploits covid19 to push the racist lines | Apr 24 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't give two shits about illegal immigrants living here, FWIW. | Apr 24 02:46 |
| schestowitz | namely that they're worthy of death etc. | Apr 24 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they don't commit crimes against Americans, I don't care if they stay. I'm not going to report them. | Apr 24 02:46 |
| schestowitz | maybe they'll go after mandy next | Apr 24 02:47 |
| schestowitz | saying he's "filthy" and "yellow" or "brown" and stuff | Apr 24 02:47 |
| schestowitz | or that they're a carrier of "disease" | Apr 24 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doubtful. | Apr 24 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's exempt and that immigration ban has so many exemptions, including green card applicants who are married to a US citizen. | Apr 24 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like yours truly. | Apr 24 02:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The law grants me the privilege of sponsoring Mandy and that's not something an executive order can change. | Apr 24 02:48 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/antibody-study-suggests-coronavirus-is-far-more-widespread-than-previously-thought | Apr 24 02:48 |
| CrystalMath | this is what i meant | Apr 24 02:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Antibody study suggests coronavirus may be far more widespread than previously thought | World news | The Guardian | Apr 24 02:49 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Executive orders can set a policy where the law gives the president a "national security exemption" or something. | Apr 24 02:49 |
| schestowitz | what i'm trying to say is | Apr 24 02:49 |
| schestowitz | techrights is inherently about technical things | Apr 24 02:49 |
| schestowitz | we also bring politics in | Apr 24 02:49 |
| schestowitz | which is fibne | Apr 24 02:49 |
| schestowitz | tech and politics are related in many ways | Apr 24 02:49 |
| schestowitz | but if you bring in this "2 out of 2000+" people who died today were "illegal alienZZZ" line, then wth are people going to think of the channel? | Apr 24 02:50 |
| MinceR | without rule of law, law will be enforced in whatever way the enforcers feel like enforcing | Apr 24 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't like Trump and I'll do what I can to remove him and, at the least, backstop that with people down the line who won't just cooperate with him. | Apr 24 02:50 |
| MinceR | it is nothing more than an excuse for tyrants | Apr 24 02:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not much. I can vote. That's about it. | Apr 24 02:50 |
| schestowitz | [02:48] <DaemonFC[m]> The law grants me the privilege of sponsoring Mandy and that's not something an executive order can change. | Apr 24 02:50 |
| MinceR | and as far as i can tell, there's no rule of law in most places on earth | Apr 24 02:50 |
| schestowitz | laws change over time | Apr 24 02:50 |
| schestowitz | ask those 150k "Japs" who were born in the US why they were put in camps for years | Apr 24 02:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nancy Pelosi is not going to give Trump a new immigration law that's worse than the one we have. | Apr 24 02:51 |
| MinceR | also, without rule of law, the power of the state over its victims ("citizens") is unchecked | Apr 24 02:51 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Apr 24 02:51 |
| schestowitz | it's a dumb discussion, DaemonFC[m] | Apr 24 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Yeah, it was pretty scary when the Republicans had a Trifecta, but they're so stupid that they wasted 8 months on Obamacare repeal and ended up getting in each other's way. | Apr 24 02:52 |
| schestowitz | and you migth still think you have voting rights | Apr 24 02:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah, choose Trump or Pelodi | Apr 24 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they ended up being too stupid to actually wield it in many ways. | Apr 24 02:52 |
| schestowitz | wall street Biden or Don the Con... some 'choice' you got there | Apr 24 02:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: and how many times do you think you'll get lucky? | Apr 24 02:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Well, fortunately, our system kind of makes it harder to get things done than most other countries I know of. | Apr 24 02:53 |
| MinceR | yeah, that tells you much about what sort of system it is | Apr 24 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's basically on the idea that it's better to cause 1 good thing to fail than let 100 really bad things succeed. | Apr 24 02:53 |
| MinceR | when one of the best things about it is how difficult it is for it to get things done | Apr 24 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the alternative is that one party takes over and that's the end of that. | Apr 24 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like Hungary. | Apr 24 02:54 |
| MinceR | there's another alternative | Apr 24 02:54 |
| MinceR | the abolition of the state | Apr 24 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the UK, Parliament seems to be able to do just about whatever it wants. | Apr 24 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A system like that only works for the people when you suppose that only generally decent people rise to power. | Apr 24 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When that doesn't happen, even once..... They can do anything. | Apr 24 02:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Presidents end up getting ambushed by their own judges here all the time. Even Trump. | Apr 24 02:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The courts are anti-democratic by nature as another check on the system. | Apr 24 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they made a decision like gay marriage and went up for a vote and got replaced, the decision would be reversed because the next judges would realize that they had to keep the unwashed masses happy instead of ruling correctly. | Apr 24 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You control, generally, what the judges do, by having Congress write high quality laws that don't conflict with the constitution and each other. Problem solved. | Apr 24 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When judges interpret a law it usually means one of two things. The law was badly written or someone is trying to apply it in a way that Congress did not intend and is trying to sneak one in over the fence. | Apr 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For example, when you're gender confused person and you want to use the wrong bathroom, you litigate over what the meaning of "sex" is in a law from 1964. It's inconceivable that Congress in 1964 intended for men to put on a dress and sue their university and Walmart for not letting them use the women's restroom. | Apr 24 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But hey hell, whatever. It's "vague" wording and a judge might agree. | Apr 24 03:01 |
| *balrog has quit (Quit: Bye) | Apr 24 03:01 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Here we get to the issue of state's rights and community standards of decency. | Apr 24 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois, the legislature passed a state law requiring gender neutral bathrooms. Whatever. That's the law. We have a system and it was decided and who the hell am I to argue? I don't even care that much and I'm not going to go out of my way to punish them for it. | Apr 24 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't really like the issue of judicial activism myself. In the case of bathrooms, nobody is being deprived of the opportunity to go take a dump. | Apr 24 03:04 |
| MinceR | > having Congress write high quality laws | Apr 24 03:04 |
| MinceR | nice dream | Apr 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the issue of marriage, the states and federal government overreached. | Apr 24 03:04 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136757 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7ce5bf88-469b-4c82-ae10-c0ae271d898d] | Apr 24 03:04 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 14th Amendment says that citizens of the United States cannot be deprived of due process of law and the rights and privileges generally afforded to other citizens. | Apr 24 03:05 |
| schestowitz | Team Trump would gleefully revoke same-sex marriage legitimacy | Apr 24 03:05 |
| *balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 03:05 | |
| schestowitz | enabling also some deportations in the process | Apr 24 03:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What does that mean? Well, Republicans said that gay men have the same right to marry women as straight men do. | Apr 24 03:06 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't apply retroactively when crooks run that country, and even use a pandemic to resume politics just to appoint hacks and 'activists' as judges | Apr 24 03:06 |
| schestowitz | anyhoo... | Apr 24 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Obviously, they aren't going to, and the Republicans knew that, so that didn't fly in court. | Apr 24 03:06 |
| schestowitz | they also ignore asylum laws now | Apr 24 03:06 |
| schestowitz | using covid as a pretext | Apr 24 03:06 |
| schestowitz | give them time | Apr 24 03:07 |
| schestowitz | they want more power and might also call off this year's election | Apr 24 03:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they said it was to raise kids. Then that fell flat because people get married for all kinds of reasons. Not everyone who gets married even wants to have sex. Some want government benefits. Some do it because they want to leave their friend tax free inheritence. | Apr 24 03:07 |
| schestowitz | trump praised xi for his lifelong term revisions | Apr 24 03:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People get married purely to game the system. Straight people have done it forever. | Apr 24 03:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Taxes/welfare, you name it. | Apr 24 03:08 |
| schestowitz | I am surprised you fall for that stupid agenda | Apr 24 03:08 |
| schestowitz | you will never appease them | Apr 24 03:08 |
| schestowitz | if you're not gay, you're not white | Apr 24 03:08 |
| schestowitz | and if you're white, you're of the wrong belief | Apr 24 03:08 |
| MinceR | twitler loves dictators and wants to become one | Apr 24 03:09 |
| schestowitz | and if you're of the right belief, but don't support Trump, you're a commie | Apr 24 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why the hell do you think I vote for Democrats? | Apr 24 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Look at what the other option is. | Apr 24 03:09 |
| schestowitz | But if you're NOT a commie, you're poor and then a burden | Apr 24 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Blagh!!! | Apr 24 03:09 |
| schestowitz | and if you're a so-called 'job creator', you're pro-vaccination | Apr 24 03:09 |
| schestowitz | and "We can't have that!" | Apr 24 03:09 |
| schestowitz | Get rid of those bigots | Apr 24 03:09 |
| schestowitz | and don't help them by painting 2000+ dead, mostly old men, as "illegal immigrants" because of two people who died today in prison | Apr 24 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Has GOP sinken that low to be anti-vaccination? | Apr 24 03:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not thrilled with my Congressman, but he's the only option that isn't totally insane. | Apr 24 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | * sunken | Apr 24 03:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This district is barely winnable by a Democrat, so he's sort of right leaning for a Democrat. | Apr 24 03:10 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 03:10 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: yes | Apr 24 03:10 |
| schestowitz | but not 100% | Apr 24 03:11 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552?lang=en | Apr 24 03:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@realDonaldTrump: Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases! | Apr 24 03:11 | |
| schestowitz | being too overt against it MIGHT alienate some voters | Apr 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I see COVID as mostly removing a bunch of fuck ups who gave us Trump or rape kids. | Apr 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mostly. | Apr 24 03:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: cheers | Apr 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's doing an incredible amount of damage, but it skews towards idiots and criminals. | Apr 24 03:11 |
| schestowitz | I cannot open this link | Apr 24 03:11 |
| schestowitz | The Orange Nazi still blocks me | Apr 24 03:11 |
| schestowitz | 3 years now | Apr 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Blocks you? | Apr 24 03:12 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Apr 24 03:12 |
| schestowitz | for embarrassing him | Apr 24 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: https://nitter.net/realdonaldtrump/status/449525268529815552 | Apr 24 03:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump): "Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!" | nitter | Apr 24 03:12 | |
| schestowitz | same outline from the bot | Apr 24 03:12 |
| schestowitz | I think I saw people linking to it | Apr 24 03:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, by discouraging people from getting vaccines, what is he doing? | Apr 24 03:12 |
| schestowitz | but I could not read what they were linking to\ | Apr 24 03:12 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The same link, just on Nitter. No auth – no problems %). | Apr 24 03:12 |
| MinceR | he's promoting the spread of diseases | Apr 24 03:13 |
| schestowitz | (unless logged out, which is a pain) | Apr 24 03:13 |
| schestowitz | he is a disease | Apr 24 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 33% of people told a Morning Consult poll they wouldn't take a vaccine for COVID. | Apr 24 03:13 |
| MinceR | especially to those who, for some reason, can't be vaccinated or for whom it didn't work | Apr 24 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The shitty result is that it keeps hitting them an they fucking die. | Apr 24 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do a shitty thing, get a shitty result. | Apr 24 03:13 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, those victims are innocent | Apr 24 03:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's amazing how Trump is unable to form proper sentences even in text. | Apr 24 03:13 |
| MinceR | well, one needs a functioning brain to use human language | Apr 24 03:14 |
| MinceR | so it's not surprising that it's a significant challenge to Agent Orange | Apr 24 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rest will keep causing COVID clusters to pop up. | Apr 24 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 67% getting the vaccine should slow it down a lot. | Apr 24 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like the Measles. | Apr 24 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not thrilled that there are a lot of dumb people here, obviously. | Apr 24 03:14 |
| CrystalMath | i am against COVID vaccination | Apr 24 03:14 |
| CrystalMath | because i believe it's not a deadly disease | Apr 24 03:14 |
| CrystalMath | personally measles are something in between | Apr 24 03:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Vivaldi browser to perform a symphony of ad and tracker blocking with version 3.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136684#comment-24720 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aefcdde9-861f-4a40-9438-49a45760dc2f] | Apr 24 03:15 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Remdesivir is useless. Did you see the study that leaked today? Poor Gilead. | Apr 24 03:15 |
| CrystalMath | many in my family have died of measles so i personally chose to get the MMR vaccine, years after initially refusing | Apr 24 03:15 |
| CrystalMath | turned out to be good, i had no reaction to it | Apr 24 03:15 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 03:15 | |
| CrystalMath | except for the fact that i became less autistic | Apr 24 03:15 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 03:16 | |
| CrystalMath | :P | Apr 24 03:16 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: That's what the lizard people want you to believe | Apr 24 03:16 |
| CrystalMath | i would NEVER get a flu shot though | Apr 24 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I get the flu shot each year. | Apr 24 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Insurance covers it. Don't want the flu. | Apr 24 03:16 |
| CrystalMath | i want the flu | Apr 24 03:17 |
| CrystalMath | i had it this year, in february | Apr 24 03:17 |
| CrystalMath | got some nice bronchitis and lung pain | Apr 24 03:17 |
| CrystalMath | it ended in a month, parting is such sweet sorrow | Apr 24 03:17 |
| CrystalMath | but i hope it inserts its spike proteins into my cells again next year | Apr 24 03:17 |
| CrystalMath | *its lovely spike proteins | Apr 24 03:18 |
| CrystalMath | works better with the adjective :) | Apr 24 03:18 |
| MinceR | i don't get flu shots because they don't last and flu doesn't do much to me anyway | Apr 24 03:19 |
| schestowitz | lol | Apr 24 03:19 |
| schestowitz | flu shots are offered free to elderly people here | Apr 24 03:19 |
| schestowitz | due to death rates associated with flu in that age group | Apr 24 03:19 |
| schestowitz | welcoming the flu and measles isn't just dumb but selfish | Apr 24 03:20 |
| schestowitz | that harms group or herd resistance | Apr 24 03:20 |
| CrystalMath | i welcome the flu only | Apr 24 03:20 |
| MinceR | yeah, i see more point to it for the elderly | Apr 24 03:20 |
| CrystalMath | not measles | Apr 24 03:20 |
| schestowitz | and people who are like this are thankfully very rare here.. | Apr 24 03:20 |
| schestowitz | flu also passes from person to person | Apr 24 03:20 |
| schestowitz | we almost never fall ill | Apr 24 03:20 |
| CrystalMath | you need to understand | Apr 24 03:20 |
| CrystalMath | that helping weak viruses spread | Apr 24 03:21 |
| CrystalMath | is as important as stopping dangerous ones | Apr 24 03:21 |
| schestowitz | I can barely remember being ill in my whole adult life, except when I caught something at a hotel... as did many others... causing mostly stomach issues | Apr 24 03:21 |
| CrystalMath | we need to eugenically breed viruses that are weak, it's a kind of natural vaccine | Apr 24 03:21 |
| CrystalMath | vaccines are not really a human invention but a human discovery | Apr 24 03:21 |
| schestowitz | spread dead ones | Apr 24 03:21 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you know what vaccines are, right? | Apr 24 03:21 |
| CrystalMath | of course | Apr 24 03:21 |
| schestowitz | innoculation | Apr 24 03:22 |
| schestowitz | so you want to spread a live weapon | Apr 24 03:22 |
| schestowitz | and accept the collateral damage | Apr 24 03:22 |
| CrystalMath | we had vaccines before we were fully sure diseases are spread by germs instead of bad air | Apr 24 03:22 |
| schestowitz | like loads of dead people... because who needs a shooting range anyway... when you can shoot animals.. | Apr 24 03:22 |
| MinceR | there still are people who don't believe in the germ theory of disease | Apr 24 03:22 |
| schestowitz | longevity increased a lot since we started vaccinating | Apr 24 03:23 |
| MinceR | some of them are employed by fox noise | Apr 24 03:23 |
| schestowitz | from maybe 39 in life expectancy to 79 | Apr 24 03:23 |
| CrystalMath | Vacciniavirus, which it was named after (itself named after COWS) is a weak but TRANSMISSIBLE virus that builds immunity that also works against the deadly Variolavirus | Apr 24 03:23 |
| schestowitz | not a bad thing... unless you're an advocate of shortening lives | Apr 24 03:23 |
| CrystalMath | vaccines will also take lives | Apr 24 03:23 |
| schestowitz | In the US life expectancy is decreasing under Trump | Apr 24 03:23 |
| CrystalMath | so don't pretend like spreading the mild flu is any worse | Apr 24 03:23 |
| schestowitz | one factor might be antivaxxers | Apr 24 03:23 |
| CrystalMath | another virus that i will not (and currently cannot) vaccinate against is HIV | Apr 24 03:24 |
| schestowitz | vaccines are dead germs mostly | Apr 24 03:24 |
| schestowitz | and some other stuff | Apr 24 03:24 |
| CrystalMath | as i want to use this one to cause my own untimely demise | Apr 24 03:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 03:24 |
| schestowitz | better than letting people contract deadly pathogens | Apr 24 03:24 |
| schestowitz | which is what you advocate | Apr 24 03:24 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I'm out | Apr 24 03:24 |
| schestowitz | this convo is a waste of time | Apr 24 03:24 |
| schestowitz | bb in an hour | Apr 24 03:25 |
| schestowitz | to talk about the shape of our planet | Apr 24 03:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 03:25 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: vaccines kill too, just like weak viruses do, it is not possible to have a zero death rate | Apr 24 03:25 |
| CrystalMath | people just don't understand, that death is inevitable | Apr 24 03:25 |
| CrystalMath | i not only find it inevitable, but i find it wonderful! | Apr 24 03:25 |
| CrystalMath | i can't wait to die | Apr 24 03:26 |
| MinceR | yes, but some ways are more painful than others | Apr 24 03:26 |
| CrystalMath | or maybe i can, but i am sure i will enjoy it | Apr 24 03:26 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i know, it's very important to pick a death that fits your artistic tendencies | Apr 24 03:26 |
| MinceR | most ways to die are pretty horrible | Apr 24 03:26 |
| CrystalMath | untreated HIV is a particularly horrible one | Apr 24 03:27 |
| CrystalMath | HIV is neurotoxic and can cause dementia and paraplegia, alongside the typical ataxia | Apr 24 03:27 |
| XRevan86 | As wonderful as a monitor thrown out of the window, in the perspective of the monitor. | Apr 24 03:28 |
| CrystalMath | pneumocystis pneumonia is very painful as well, and will not stop without lymphocytes to stop it | Apr 24 03:28 |
| CrystalMath | it leads to ARDS and without ventillation, death, very soon | Apr 24 03:28 |
| CrystalMath | but no doubt i will chicken out and acquire mycotinazole | Apr 24 03:29 |
| CrystalMath | in which case i will no doubt develop cancers, likely Kaposi's sarcoma | Apr 24 03:29 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.2 Hits the stage http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136650#comment-24721 [https://pleroma.site/objects/712ba761-25c3-4613-bd01-c43279b091b5] | Apr 24 03:29 | |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i'm a masochist btw | Apr 24 03:31 |
| CrystalMath | but i should be careful with dying overdramatically | Apr 24 03:31 |
| CrystalMath | after all.... | Apr 24 03:31 |
| CrystalMath | i can do it only once | Apr 24 03:31 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 32 Cleared For Release Next Week http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136758 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ef78e041-848c-40b1-9af0-83e0e562db72] | Apr 24 03:31 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: After you've done it it won't matter anyway. | Apr 24 03:32 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: that's the beauty of it | Apr 24 03:32 |
| CrystalMath | anyway, in reality, i am just glad that i will die some day | Apr 24 03:34 |
| CrystalMath | i don't want it to be right now, but i want it to be some day | Apr 24 03:34 |
| CrystalMath | i'm just anti-immortality | Apr 24 03:34 |
| CrystalMath | which seems like a silly thing to be, at least currently | Apr 24 03:34 |
| CrystalMath | but i hope to inspire other people to reject the desire for immortality, and embrace their own eventual end | Apr 24 03:35 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: And then someday: "aw crap, I didn't mean today, I meant *someday*". | Apr 24 03:35 |
| CrystalMath | lol, well | Apr 24 03:35 |
| CrystalMath | i've been in situations where i almost died | Apr 24 03:35 |
| CrystalMath | i thought, "well this is it, i had a nice life" | Apr 24 03:36 |
| CrystalMath | usually very nasty traffic situations | Apr 24 03:36 |
| CrystalMath | but | Apr 24 03:36 |
| CrystalMath | i didn't mind, and wouldn't mind | Apr 24 03:36 |
| CrystalMath | for it to be that day | Apr 24 03:36 |
| CrystalMath | i just feel like, by killing myself | Apr 24 03:36 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: depends on the Vaccine. The kill rate of Vaccines by Australian data based off the Australian ones are insanely low. Normally human immune system malfunction that is basically if you got exposed to the real virus you would have 100 percent died anyhow. | Apr 24 03:36 |
| CrystalMath | i'd be expliciitly picking the day | Apr 24 03:37 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: well i doubt that | Apr 24 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes humman iimmune system malfunction is in fact treatable if it detected. | Apr 24 03:37 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: many people have lots of problems with vaccines | Apr 24 03:37 |
| CrystalMath | i know it is, but that doesn't seem to be the realty | Apr 24 03:37 |
| CrystalMath | *reality | Apr 24 03:37 |
| oiaohm | There is no legal immunity for those to provide vaccines in Australia. | Apr 24 03:37 |
| CrystalMath | in reality many vaccines malfunction and you get the virus itself | Apr 24 03:38 |
| oiaohm | So quality of vaccine is critical here or you no longer a company. | Apr 24 03:38 |
| oiaohm | USA and some other countries have laws that vaccine makers are above the law. | Apr 24 03:38 |
| CrystalMath | okay, i see | Apr 24 03:38 |
| CrystalMath | that helps | Apr 24 03:38 |
| oiaohm | So the quality of vaccine well and truly down hill. | Apr 24 03:39 |
| CrystalMath | british ones are bad though, too | Apr 24 03:39 |
| CrystalMath | GSK messes up | Apr 24 03:39 |
| CrystalMath | much more so than the dutch novartis | Apr 24 03:39 |
| oiaohm | British law vaccine makers have legal immunity as well. | Apr 24 03:39 |
| oiaohm | Basically you don't want vaccine makers with legal immunity. | Apr 24 03:40 |
| oiaohm | So the vaccine issue is not that vaccines cannot be basically safe is that laws allow vaccine makers not to care as much as they should. | Apr 24 03:41 |
| oiaohm | When I say basically safe lot safer than the virus. | Apr 24 03:41 |
| oiaohm | the common usa and uk vaccine preservative chemical is legally not allowed in the Australian made and supplied vaccines. | Apr 24 03:43 |
| CrystalMath | i see | Apr 24 03:47 |
| CrystalMath | well i guess you may be in luck then, in australa | Apr 24 03:48 |
| CrystalMath | *australia | Apr 24 03:48 |
| CrystalMath | but nothing will have a 0% death rate | Apr 24 03:48 |
| oiaohm | In theory a 0% death rate is possible by the Australian numbers. | Apr 24 03:49 |
| CrystalMath | insanely low is not zero | Apr 24 03:49 |
| oiaohm | But it working out how to detect immune system malfunction and give the counter drugs early enough. | Apr 24 03:49 |
| CrystalMath | they don't always work | Apr 24 03:49 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 03:49 | |
| oiaohm | On this stuff they do. | Apr 24 03:50 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 03:50 | |
| CrystalMath | prednisone, hydrocortisone, they don't always help | Apr 24 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | plus some people may react badly | Apr 24 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | you can't save everyone, ever | Apr 24 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | in fact, if you look at it more broadly | Apr 24 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | you can't save anyone | Apr 24 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | as everyone will die eventually | Apr 24 03:50 |
| CrystalMath | you're just delaying it | Apr 24 03:50 |
| oiaohm | The counter drug is also someone from the CSIRO the problem is how short of time you have to apply it. | Apr 24 03:51 |
| oiaohm | From time you were given vaccine to time the counter agent must be given so it works is 48 hours. | Apr 24 03:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically tells you immune system forget the last stuff it learnt. | Apr 24 03:52 |
| oiaohm | Its not the suppression drugs. | Apr 24 03:53 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What Are the Best Linux Filesystems in 2020? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136759 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5b5a70a8-31ef-4338-a418-99f749b21831] | Apr 24 03:53 | |
| oiaohm | Zero deaths from vaccines should be possible. | Apr 24 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Problem is most common you detect issue well past treatable time. | Apr 24 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Most adverse reactions to vaccines are detected at the 72 hour mark. At this time immune suppression to completely nuking system and needing bone marrow transplant. | Apr 24 03:56 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Events (Mostly Virtual/Web-based) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136760 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3e12e0a4-876a-412e-8e1c-2583e138f37c] | Apr 24 03:59 | |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: that kills all vaccines | Apr 24 04:00 |
| CrystalMath | if you even manage to do it on time | Apr 24 04:00 |
| CrystalMath | something like rutixumab might also do it | Apr 24 04:00 |
| oiaohm | Note the 48 hour window. | Apr 24 04:00 |
| oiaohm | You can counter the last given vaccine only in that timeframe if you are able to detect problem soon enough. | Apr 24 04:01 |
| oiaohm | It has been used in cases where a batch of vaccine was picked up to be problem. Ok the first to go down were in trouble but the ones that were given counter inside the 48 window from them getting the bad vaccine had no problems. | Apr 24 04:02 |
| CrystalMath | very well, i get it | Apr 24 04:03 |
| CrystalMath | let's talk about something else | Apr 24 04:03 |
| CrystalMath | i hate optimism | Apr 24 04:03 |
| oiaohm | Really I hate that its comes down to dollars. | Apr 24 04:03 |
| oiaohm | Like it too costly to keep someone in hospital with close monitoring after giving vaccine so counter can be given in time if required. So we go the cheaper route with a few deaths. | Apr 24 04:05 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 04:06 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 04:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 8.2 Goes GA http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136650#comment-24723 [https://pleroma.site/objects/54b89a84-b356-433b-a9a5-32201552f5bd] | Apr 24 04:53 | |
| schestowitz | [03:25] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: vaccines kill too, just like weak viruses do, it is not possible to have a zero death rate | Apr 24 04:56 |
| schestowitz | you can fall off an MRI scanner | Apr 24 04:56 |
| schestowitz | or the magnets can suck in some metal inside your body, killing you | Apr 24 04:57 |
| schestowitz | but it's still better to have mri scanners around | Apr 24 04:57 |
| schestowitz | because they save far more lives than they end | Apr 24 04:57 |
| schestowitz | (because they help identify and understand things like cancerous tissue inside your body at an earlier stage, with no radiation) | Apr 24 04:58 |
| CrystalMath | i will never get an MRI scan | Apr 24 05:03 |
| CrystalMath | so i won't fall off one | Apr 24 05:03 |
| CrystalMath | i never had one in my life | Apr 24 05:03 |
| schestowitz | maybe you don't deserve one | Apr 24 05:04 |
| schestowitz | because you seem to reject medicine or modern medicine | Apr 24 05:05 |
| schestowitz | and you encourage others to do the same | Apr 24 05:05 |
| schestowitz | spreading around more dangerous germs that can still kill people of all ages | Apr 24 05:06 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Rust, Python, C++, COBOL and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136761 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b277d974-444b-49f5-b00c-cb30144785d3] | Apr 24 05:09 | |
| *shy_pangolin (~5hy@vtosh-katur.3d9310rd.club) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 05:16 | |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: I guess you will not fly anytime in your life and never climb a mountain or eat bananas | Apr 24 05:47 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: stupid as all those things are higher radiation exposure than a MRI scan. | Apr 24 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Bananas of all things have a radiation level to them. | Apr 24 05:49 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: no, i just don't want to know if i have cancer | Apr 24 05:49 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: rejecting MRI scans does not put anyone at risk | Apr 24 05:49 |
| CrystalMath | except me, but i would rather hand over my life to chance | Apr 24 05:50 |
| CrystalMath | i encourage others to live by chance instead | Apr 24 05:50 |
| CrystalMath | that doesn't mean rejecting modern biology | Apr 24 05:50 |
| CrystalMath | nor even most | Apr 24 05:51 |
| CrystalMath | medicine | Apr 24 05:51 |
| CrystalMath | because many minor things can still be fixed without altering your nature-decided last day | Apr 24 05:51 |
| CrystalMath | i guess i would also have to advise not eating healthy, but rather eating by whim instead | Apr 24 05:52 |
| CrystalMath | but ultimately... my advise would again be human intervention, would it not? | Apr 24 05:54 |
| CrystalMath | i consider that inferior to the natural progression of things | Apr 24 05:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136762 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3a9ed341-5501-4cf7-992f-406b70b14036] | Apr 24 05:54 | |
| *Firee (~Firee@unaffiliated/firee) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 05:56 | |
| *kingoffrance has quit (Quit: x) | Apr 24 06:04 | |
| *brendyyn (~brendyyn@14.2.165.55) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 06:59 | |
| *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Richard Stallman and other victims of cancel culture! | https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/) | Apr 24 07:09 | |
| *brendarn (~brendyyn@14.2.170.13) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 07:58 | |
| *brendyyn has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | Apr 24 08:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS… on Big Iron! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136744#comment-24724 [https://pleroma.site/objects/aa540ccc-267c-4c71-b677-447606003c0e] | Apr 24 09:00 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Purism Librem Mini Linux PC Now Just Around the Corner http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136748#comment-24726 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ec5b1307-90d9-4e14-9533-ae5c156b2f14] | Apr 24 09:03 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 09:07 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 09:07 | |
| *LarchOye2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Apr 24 09:09 | |
| *LarchOye (LarchOye@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 09:10 | |
| *LarchOye has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) | Apr 24 09:15 | |
| *LarchOye (LarchOye@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 09:20 | |
| *LarchOye has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) | Apr 24 09:29 | |
| *LarchOye (znc@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 09:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux at Home: Plan your Ideal Garden with Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136763 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8274bbf9-3904-4d0d-9c36-17fbd408ef01] | Apr 24 09:32 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kdenlive 20.04 is out http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136764 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2475d47c-3756-4c1c-abcf-547e66f225eb] | Apr 24 09:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ProtonMail Open Sources All Of Its Email Apps http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136765 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1dcbf2de-e1c5-4db0-9cb2-8471a8e7198c] | Apr 24 09:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136766 [https://pleroma.site/objects/871a315d-fdd4-42b5-886e-620c8a269681] | Apr 24 09:34 | |
| *LarchOye has quit (Excess Flood) | Apr 24 09:38 | |
| *LarchOye (znc@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 09:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: There has never been a better time to play games on Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136767 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e69d7c35-483a-49c7-92d7-838516a66c3c] | Apr 24 09:52 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What you need to know about open source ad blockers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136768 [https://pleroma.site/objects/88e22f0d-8618-48d1-9c8a-823a35e85b70] | Apr 24 09:54 | |
| *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 10:03 | |
| *LarchOye has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) | Apr 24 10:15 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security and Proprietary Issues http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136769 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d59df062-3290-4d90-bf59-65815fb6ca63] | Apr 24 10:18 | |
| *LarchOye (znc@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 10:20 | |
| schestowitz | RMS: | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > > A former FSFE insider has just published | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > > I am not sure how accurate it is, but on the surface it seems factual. | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > What it says about the formation of FSFE is very badly wrong. | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > I worked with its founders and encouraged them to start FSFE. | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Thank you... | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | This is very important to know and it helps me understand what assumptions to ignore. | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > > Can we still trust FSFE and, if so, in what context? | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > "Can we trust X" is too broad and simplistic to be a meaningful | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | > question. | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | I agree. I knew a direct answer was not likely. | Apr 24 10:23 |
| schestowitz | (this morning) | Apr 24 10:25 |
| *Sajesajama has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Apr 24 10:50 | |
| MinceR | Trust No One | Apr 24 11:05 |
| *LarchOye has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | Apr 24 11:06 | |
| schestowitz | "Our goal is to (overall) improve the FSFE and make it realise that bad actions/statements will lead to negative reaction. We have, on numerous occasions, also criticised the FSF. This did not prevent us from getting along with the FSF and the GNU Project. Blind acceptance or something or someone prevents introspection. We need an army of sceptical and critical thinkers, not drones." | Apr 24 11:08 |
| schestowitz | I am writing about thus atm, MinceR | Apr 24 11:08 |
| schestowitz | *of | Apr 24 11:08 |
| *LarchOye (znc@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 11:08 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136520#comment-24660 | Apr 24 11:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Developer Dual Boots iOS 13.3 and Linux on iPhone 8 But There’s a Catch | Tux Machines | Apr 24 11:23 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Netherlands commits to Free Software by default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136770 [https://pleroma.site/objects/abef8716-9012-403d-beda-1cc0a9f691b1] | Apr 24 11:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi 4 vs ODROID-C4 Features Comparison http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136771 [https://pleroma.site/objects/91bd5c5d-423c-4f60-83ff-6764b5253784] | Apr 24 11:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136772 [https://pleroma.site/objects/39877497-a46b-4d00-955e-b64fdc24d038] | Apr 24 11:38 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 11:44 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audiocasts/Shows: Post-Takeover LinuxAcademy (New Management) Axes More Jupiter Broadcasting Shows, Releases More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136773 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d24bc799-5c04-4a49-85c1-af7feca8b87c] | Apr 24 11:44 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 11:44 | |
| *brendarn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | Apr 24 11:49 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/28/5a1be0b581989e7e.jpg | Apr 24 11:51 |
| scientes | MinceR, only strage in cities | Apr 24 11:54 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: One Thing the #FreeSoftwareFellowship Gets Wrong About FSFE http://techrights.org/2020/04/24/free-software-fellowship-vs-fsfe/ #fsfe #freese #europe [https://pleroma.site/objects/aa60117f-ff8d-4932-b658-4e8d5cc94f0a] | Apr 24 11:54 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Upgrade Ubuntu 18.04 LTS to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136740#comment-24731 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bb47f37c-4dff-4bef-af10-f027e9432a59] | Apr 24 12:02 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How To Install Ubuntu 20.04 Desktop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136740#comment-24728 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dc03ca3c-3318-4f0f-91b5-f54aa40483d8] | Apr 24 12:04 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: More Ubuntu 20.04 news http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136744#comment-24729 [https://pleroma.site/objects/67a517be-beeb-4fd4-b13d-1f6ab4d4284e] | Apr 24 12:06 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux On iPhone 7 Now Running Wayland Graphical Window Manager http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136520#comment-24730 [https://pleroma.site/objects/be093477-92f8-48d9-a3d2-1a07c053581c] | Apr 24 12:08 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136774 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ca0f4d2b-3e7a-4642-86d0-51f49df7354a] | Apr 24 12:14 | |
| *Sajesajama (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 12:20 | |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/28/51530534a6f1550b.mp4 | Apr 24 12:23 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 12:31 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 12:32 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20032418 | Apr 24 12:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4459270) | Apr 24 12:44 | |
| *Sajesajama_ (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 13:03 | |
| *Sajesajama has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | Apr 24 13:05 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The 5 Best OneNote Alternatives for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136775 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bb8abdb0-9491-4455-84c2-e2fec355636c] | Apr 24 13:29 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Raspberry Pi alternative: New Odroid-C4 undercuts 4GB Raspberry Pi 4 by $5 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136771#comment-24733 [https://pleroma.site/objects/58a9e662-a6d2-40bb-8b7e-f9671cafa04e] | Apr 24 13:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu User Survey Results Published, Show Some Surprising Results http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/131468#comment-24732 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f71d537d-252d-487d-89a4-efe15b7145ea] | Apr 24 13:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: “I worked with its founders and encouraged them to start FSFE,” #RichardStallman recalls, but the @FSFE did not defend him after media had defamed him out of the @FSF ’s leadership and Board http://techrights.org/2020/04/24/free-software-fellowship-vs-fsfe... [https://pleroma.site/objects/b9fa0bab-99f0-4472-803a-de1b7096d304] | Apr 24 13:43 | |
| XRevan86 | huh, that Hammer and Sickle pales in comparison with other pearls at that church | Apr 24 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | https://ave86sqw5b.cdn.agency/files/2020/04/mozaika.jpg | Apr 24 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | https://ave86sqw5b.cdn.agency/files/2020/04/photo_2020-04-24_00-51-09-3-1024x576.jpg https://ave86sqw5b.cdn.agency/files/2020/04/photo_2020-04-24_00-51-14-2-1024x768.jpg | Apr 24 14:17 |
| MinceR | is that in a church? | Apr 24 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The same as yesterday. | Apr 24 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The main church of the armed forces that's finishing construction. | Apr 24 14:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 14:22 |
| MinceR | which denomination? | Apr 24 14:22 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Eastern Orthodox Christianity, duh | Apr 24 14:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 14:23 |
| XRevan86 | Which other denomination would make a mosaic with Putin and Shoygu? %) | Apr 24 14:25 |
| MinceR | who's shoygu? | Apr 24 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Shoygu | Apr 24 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sergey Shoygu - Wikipedia | Apr 24 14:31 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A prominent figure in Russian forces, was the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations for a long time. | Apr 24 14:32 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 24 14:32 |
| MinceR | which Emergency Situation was that? | Apr 24 14:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: fire, floods, stuff like that | Apr 24 14:33 |
| MinceR | oh, i missed the plural | Apr 24 14:33 |
| *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 14:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #tuxmachines Turning 16 This Summer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136776 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b40796b6-b61e-4d77-91b9-e2aae89da7a9] | Apr 24 15:17 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Foundation and More Openwashing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136777 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e9a9d140-1910-4fe4-b767-e1ef852b3009] | Apr 24 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: Trump and McConnell missing? | Apr 24 15:25 |
| *MathAmphetamine (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 15:25 | |
| schestowitz | work in progress? | Apr 24 15:25 |
| schestowitz | or maybe bleached out? | Apr 24 15:25 |
| *CrystalMath has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | Apr 24 15:27 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 15:28 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 15:28 | |
| *LarchOye has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | Apr 24 15:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla: RIP Youghourta Benali and WebGPU Update http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136778 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2fe00dcb-a295-443a-a1dc-39cfebf76265] | Apr 24 15:32 | |
| *LarchOye (znc@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 15:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Free Software, Sharing and Programming http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136779 [https://pleroma.site/objects/93516100-bf75-4a66-99ab-8f74f08a07aa] | Apr 24 15:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SUSE Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136780 [https://pleroma.site/objects/81d4c9b1-99ac-4b6c-926b-e156a2a43ada] | Apr 24 15:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136781 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1ca6c7c7-6d56-4488-878d-bb5829f7eb69] | Apr 24 15:44 | |
| *MathAmphetamine is now known as CrystalMath | Apr 24 15:46 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136782 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cc45956a-d0f6-4de6-93e7-9961353c2c9a] | Apr 24 15:47 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: heh | Apr 24 15:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 15:49 |
| MinceR | they could stop being such hipsters and just eat tide pods | Apr 24 15:49 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 24/4/2020: Ubuntu LTS, Alpine 3.9.6 and 3.10.5, Rust 1.43.0 http://techrights.org/2020/04/24/alpine-3-9-6-and-3-10-5/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/6cfa3b90-9826-4513-86d0-53ba2a32c424] | Apr 24 16:02 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/QF6c8zn.jpg | Apr 24 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is golden | Apr 24 16:03 |
| chasecrum | I can tell you from a SUSE perspective that there still seems to eb a lot of debate as to whether or not everyone can agree that the code move should even happen | Apr 24 16:04 |
| XRevan86 | chasecrum: The SLE/Leap merge? | Apr 24 16:06 |
| chasecrum | yeah - there's still a lot of discussion on the OpenSUSE side - and even more on the SLES side - I don't know how they're all going to get on the same page | Apr 24 16:07 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 16:08 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 16:08 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 16:22 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 16:22 | |
| MinceR | https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1675.html | Apr 24 16:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darthsanddroids.net | Darths & Droids | Apr 24 16:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136783 [https://pleroma.site/objects/70c7bcdf-d381-49da-8ee3-486f39a492f4] | Apr 24 16:45 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Half-Life: Alyx, Verdant Village, XCOM 2, Rover Wars, Steam Audio http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136784 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d28b4465-cff0-40b8-b7bd-62d0c76be319] | Apr 24 16:49 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 17:06 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 17:06 | |
| *chasecrum has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Apr 24 17:13 | |
| *LarchOye has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | Apr 24 17:27 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 17:27 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 17:28 | |
| *LarchOye (znc@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/former-diplomat-charged-with-contempt-of-court-over-salmond-trial-blog | Apr 24 17:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/former-diplomat-charged-with-contempt-of-court-over-salmond-trial-blog ) | Apr 24 17:28 | |
| *mmu_man has quit (Quit: reboot) | Apr 24 17:29 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 17:34 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 17:34 | |
| *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 17:42 | |
| *Firee has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) | Apr 24 17:43 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 17:44 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 17:44 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 18:21 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 18:21 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Custom widgets in GTK 4 – Drawing http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136750#comment-24736 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9856e364-887c-45be-90bf-58d8caade5b0] | Apr 24 18:24 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Stable Kernels: 5.6.7, 5.4.35, 4.19.118, 4.14.177, 4.9.220, and 4.4.220 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136785 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5caa3cc3-3c55-45a1-bfb3-5e97a9af4704] | Apr 24 18:26 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Coming soon: Fedora on Lenovo laptops! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136786 [https://pleroma.site/objects/727cca55-bfee-4618-8d31-d8a9255ca75d] | Apr 24 18:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: We mourn the loss of #JohnMcDonough http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136787 #fedora [https://pleroma.site/objects/7bfda25c-4c10-4ddd-9d8e-8da3cd3b0822] | Apr 24 18:30 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu 20.10 “Groovy Gorilla” Is Slated for Release on October 22 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136790 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f835367a-2b45-4eb5-83ff-4e929113f0d9] | Apr 24 18:32 | |
| MinceR | https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1677.html | Apr 24 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darthsanddroids.net | Darths & Droids | Apr 24 18:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Edge AI mini-PC spins up Nvidia’s Xavier NX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136788 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f54b1d14-397b-4838-98a4-a1a20e75137f] | Apr 24 18:37 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 18:37 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 18:37 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Radeon Software 20.10 vs. Upstream Linux AMD Radeon OpenGL / Vulkan Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136789 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d5195d50-680d-46e6-a432-b4f2313dff52] | Apr 24 18:38 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2017/04/03/594b56bc88d3d3b8.jpg | Apr 24 18:47 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 19:03 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 19:03 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 19:06 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 19:06 | |
| *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | Apr 24 19:12 | |
| *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | Apr 24 19:12 | |
| *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 19:29 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 19:30 | |
| *picibucor (~picibucor@2001:a61:247b:8f01:52e:3a41:bbe:35d6) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 19:39 | |
| *picibucor has quit (Client Quit) | Apr 24 19:40 | |
| *LarchOye has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Apr 24 19:58 | |
| *LarchOye (znc@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 19:59 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2020-04-24 13-52-22.png (1542KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/pmmBRdEDvYKXxhSsqCDgNEaa > | Apr 24 20:02 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, why is it golden? | Apr 24 20:03 |
| scientes | https://i.imgur.com/QF6c8zn.jpg | Apr 24 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Because it's true? | Apr 24 20:04 |
| scientes | what is? | Apr 24 20:04 |
| scientes | I don't understand | Apr 24 20:04 |
| scientes | and what does "conservative" mean? | Apr 24 20:05 |
| scientes | Are they promoting a new national park? | Apr 24 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In this context, it means stricter believers | Apr 24 20:05 |
| scientes | believers in what? | Apr 24 20:05 |
| scientes | and stricter than who? | Apr 24 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: "Christians" | Apr 24 20:05 |
| scientes | You are going to have to be more explicit | Apr 24 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Have you heard the term "unchurched"? | Apr 24 20:06 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 20:06 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 20:06 | |
| scientes | well, considering that Easter was cancelled this year, I think basically everyone is unchurched right now | Apr 24 20:07 |
| scientes | but no, I have no idea what you mean | Apr 24 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | There are people who take their believe in god more seriously than others. | Apr 24 20:08 |
| scientes | If this is about the existence of god, that is simple. God exist*ed*. It was your placenta before you were born. | Apr 24 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | * belief | Apr 24 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So my mum is god? | Apr 24 20:09 |
| scientes | no | Apr 24 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | she's god + extra? | Apr 24 20:09 |
| scientes | the placenta is part of you | Apr 24 20:09 |
| scientes | well, there are two parts of the placenta, but I am talking about the part of the placenta that splits off of the embreo | Apr 24 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Well, okay, if you want to define god as that, then whatever | Apr 24 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | I hope Moses wasn't involved… | Apr 24 20:10 |
| scientes | I'm completely serious | Apr 24 20:10 |
| *mmu_man has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Apr 24 20:11 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, considering that he was a bit incestuous with his sister..... | Apr 24 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm pretty sure my mum wasn't involved in any of that. | Apr 24 20:11 |
| scientes | we all had placentas | Apr 24 20:11 |
| scientes | and it ISNT your mom | Apr 24 20:12 |
| scientes | it is YOU | Apr 24 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | God is a dude, God is nature, God is universe | Apr 24 20:12 |
| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Apr 24 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | Now feature: God is your placenta | Apr 24 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | * featuring | Apr 24 20:12 |
| scientes | XRevan86, Spinoza got killed for that | Apr 24 20:12 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placentation | Apr 24 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Placentation - Wikipedia | Apr 24 20:12 | |
| scientes | ^^the placenta is part of you | Apr 24 20:12 |
| MinceR | cults have temporarily less power than they did back then | Apr 24 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | If cults had said "okay, god is placenta" and just forget about all of it, that would work for me | Apr 24 20:15 |
| XRevan86 | "figment of imaginations of our ancestors" also works | Apr 24 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | You know what isn't a figment of imagination? Bacteriae, viruses, fungus spores… | Apr 24 20:20 |
| *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 20:22 | |
| *aindilis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Apr 24 20:26 | |
| *balrog has quit (Quit: Bye) | Apr 24 20:27 | |
| *balrog (~balrog@unaffiliated/balrog) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 20:27 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, but there are so many animals? | Apr 24 20:27 |
| scientes | and what about the plants? | Apr 24 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I agree that plants and animals also exist. | Apr 24 20:28 |
| scientes | but you thought that the placenta is part of your mother | Apr 24 20:31 |
| scientes | you were very confused | Apr 24 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | At the moment when one is part of their mother %) | Apr 24 20:32 |
| scientes | at what point does a marsupial cease to be part of their mother? | Apr 24 20:32 |
| scientes | a kangaroo | Apr 24 20:32 |
| *mmu_man has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Apr 24 20:33 | |
| *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 20:34 | |
| XRevan86 | That got unnecessarily philosophical. That placenta combines two parts one of which belongs to the mother and the other to the child, already kinda tell something. | Apr 24 20:35 |
| scientes | how is that philosophical? | Apr 24 20:36 |
| scientes | When my neighbor tells me to "flatten the curve" (whatever the hell that means) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt0zymGYyLc | Apr 24 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Pianist Identity Card - YouTube | Apr 24 20:38 | |
| *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | Apr 24 20:38 | |
| *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | Apr 24 20:39 | |
| *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 20:40 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's a statistics thing. | Apr 24 20:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, garbage in, garbage out | Apr 24 20:43 |
| scientes | you can't do statistics on made-up numbers | Apr 24 20:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Unreliable numbers are indeed a problem. Doesn't mean nothing's happening though. | Apr 24 20:46 |
| scientes | XRevan86, there is something happening on the hair of my butt-crack. Doesn't mean it is important however. | Apr 24 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | and that there isn't a curve of spreading that can be flatten | Apr 24 20:46 |
| *scientes is captain obvious. | Apr 24 20:47 | |
| *scientes needs to stick to just Russian dismissiveness | Apr 24 20:47 | |
| XRevan86 | While people die. | Apr 24 20:47 |
| scientes | I know plenty people that have died of many things | Apr 24 20:48 |
| scientes | but not this made-up threat | Apr 24 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | Maybe they're just hiding in a basement and will come out in a year saying it was just a big April 1st joke. | Apr 24 20:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/g3o4tw what do you think happened to this guy? | Apr 24 20:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-old.reddit.com | Deputat Mosobldumy Ivan Zhukov died due to coronavirus [MP in the Moscow Oblast Parliament] : Coronavirus | Apr 24 20:58 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 21:00 | |
| *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 21:00 | |
| XRevan86 | https://sun9-34.userapi.com/1gliOcfIK_eipUGtA_mFamRMrZQh0dRD23LNsA/f1zysNzB2Ms.jpg https://sun9-12.userapi.com/r-qAipknbyhVcKcLq1A43k5tOSD9KkwEAvnrEQ/-Zyu-BLXntY.jpg April 3rd | Apr 24 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | https://sun9-38.userapi.com/c857032/v857032492/15136f/_goq14u7Sf8.jpg April 8th | Apr 24 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | Now he ded | Apr 24 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | He looks healthy, but there's a catch: he has diabetes. | Apr 24 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You may have noticed that diabetes suddenly got to be quite lethal. | Apr 24 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | Yea, diabetes, dead man walking, he had it coming. | Apr 24 21:08 |
| MinceR | diabeetus | Apr 24 21:09 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/7SI9zN1.jpg | Apr 24 21:10 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: belarus has no lockdown | Apr 24 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | they're doing fine | Apr 24 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | sweden has a voluntary government-enabled lockdown, which many chose to ignore (parks are packed, as well as cafes and restaurants) | Apr 24 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | and they're doing fine | Apr 24 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | belarus is also packed, AND doing sports | Apr 24 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | georgia (USA) is reopening | Apr 24 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | and they will be fine | Apr 24 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: how do you explain this? | Apr 24 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | personally i think is why the WHO keeps putting pressure on belarus and sweden | Apr 24 21:21 |
| MinceR | we don't actually know who is doing fine and who will be fine | Apr 24 21:21 |
| CrystalMath | because it will reveal that these measures are unnecessary | Apr 24 21:21 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: Belarus has only 60 dead | Apr 24 21:21 |
| MinceR | because governments generally aren't doing very well when it comes to testing | Apr 24 21:21 |
| CrystalMath | despite thousands of cases | Apr 24 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: 63 persons died in Belarus' of COVID-19. | Apr 24 21:21 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: 60 dead as admitted by a totalitarian dictatorship, attributed to this disease | Apr 24 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Hah, your stats on death is one day old | Apr 24 21:22 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: wow, that's like... 0.03333% | Apr 24 21:22 |
| CrystalMath | of the amount that die every day | Apr 24 21:22 |
| CrystalMath | i always ask, how many millions died, and i keep getting a zero | Apr 24 21:22 |
| CrystalMath | for belarus it would be zero even i asked for thousands | Apr 24 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Also you're forgetting that a lizard person replaced Lukashenko recently and now he's taking it more seriously. | Apr 24 21:24 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: still no lockdown | Apr 24 21:24 |
| CrystalMath | they had a quarantine on entry since day 1 | Apr 24 21:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Belarus is probably even worse than Russia, and that's saying something. | Apr 24 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | only 63 dead | Apr 24 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Regardless, they're effectively a satellite state. | Apr 24 21:25 |
| MinceR | we will probably want to compare global deaths /month (or even /year) to last year's figures | Apr 24 21:25 |
| MinceR | it's more difficult to cheat at that | Apr 24 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | 63 dead is stupidly low even for the common freaking cold! | Apr 24 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | i would round that to 0 | Apr 24 21:25 |
| MinceR | is it? | Apr 24 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | YES | Apr 24 21:25 |
| MinceR | people die of colds? | Apr 24 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | come on | Apr 24 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Russia, they lie too. If it's so low, why do you need QR codes to go out in Moscow? | Apr 24 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I bet more people died of traffic last year %) | Apr 24 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | 63 people die while you BLINK | Apr 24 21:25 |
| *MinceR blinks quickly | Apr 24 21:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why do they have to wear masks? Why are only essential workers allowed out? | Apr 24 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why is the transit system revoking people's passes? | Apr 24 21:26 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: 6,000 die every hour | Apr 24 21:26 |
| CrystalMath | 100 die every minute | Apr 24 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Russia isn't killing their own economy because the virus is nothing. | Apr 24 21:26 |
| MinceR | those are rookie numbers | Apr 24 21:26 |
| MinceR | more people are born than that | Apr 24 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They know it's bad and they know their official numbers are bullshit. | Apr 24 21:26 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i know, it's horrible | Apr 24 21:26 |
| CrystalMath | but these humans here, they don't even want 150,000 dead every day! | Apr 24 21:26 |
| CrystalMath | they want to destroy this planet with overpopulation | Apr 24 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | it's because of people like this that i don't even dream of having chilidren | Apr 24 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Russia, they were losing a net of 173 people a day before COVID-19. | Apr 24 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | *children | Apr 24 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: 60 officially died in a day is a comparable number. | Apr 24 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most countries don't do anything for people with kids anymore, so people respond by not having kids, and then right-wing parties tell women to get on their back and think of <insert country>. | Apr 24 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they get pilloried by the women and pretend they never said that. | Apr 24 21:28 |
| CrystalMath | 63 did not of covid of belarus in a day though, it took months | Apr 24 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | however, from non-covid stuff, WAY more than 60 die every day | Apr 24 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | however, from non-covid stuff, WAY more than 60 die every day | Apr 24 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: "60 officially died" – that's Russia's number. | Apr 24 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | err | Apr 24 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | i was scrolled up | Apr 24 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | thought something was wrong with my IRC client | Apr 24 21:29 |
| CrystalMath | oops | Apr 24 21:30 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: numbers are still numbers in russia | Apr 24 21:31 |
| CrystalMath | and death is still death | Apr 24 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: At least you're not claiming that this thing is harmless. | Apr 24 21:31 |
| CrystalMath | it's not harmless | Apr 24 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | it's just that lockdowns are unnecessary | Apr 24 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | i have personally stopped disinfecting stuff that arrives | Apr 24 21:32 |
| CrystalMath | i used to believe that this virus is really bad, like SARS | Apr 24 21:33 |
| *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) | Apr 24 21:33 | |
| *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | Apr 24 21:33 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Oy-vey, it's nowhere close to SARS. | Apr 24 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | That was established almost immediately. | Apr 24 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | well i believed in the 5% need a hospital number | Apr 24 21:34 |
| CrystalMath | now it looks more like 0.2% | Apr 24 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Neither is a beliveable number. | Apr 24 21:35 |
| CrystalMath | 4% may still be true for the elderly, as the Diamond Princess reveals | Apr 24 21:35 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WByaMIUgWZKDmgNDSixWtMiQ > | Apr 24 21:36 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they're surprised that there's an extreme reaction to things like that and most women are Democrats. | Apr 24 21:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's unbelievable really. | Apr 24 21:38 |
| *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 21:39 | |
| *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 21:40 | |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: not trying to say anything but why do they have sex in the first place? | Apr 24 21:41 |
| CrystalMath | i find not having kids trivial... i just never have sex, problem solved | Apr 24 21:41 |
| CrystalMath | i wouldn't want to have sex anyway, which is a plus | Apr 24 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Men have sex all the time and then don't even pay their child support and there's hardly even a word for it. | Apr 24 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They just high five each other and that's that. | Apr 24 21:44 |
| MinceR | it seems to be doing a better job at spreading than plain old SARS | Apr 24 21:44 |
| MinceR | but if manages to infect someone who also has SARS or MERS, the genetic material could mix and produce something worse | Apr 24 21:44 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: SARS had a target painted on it. | Apr 24 21:44 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: mostly as a consequence of being weaker | Apr 24 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Yes, Illinois deployed the National Guard to do free drive in testing sites. | Apr 24 21:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now we're finding COVID-19 everywhere, including the downstate places that looked like they were being spared. | Apr 24 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: coronaviruses are not multisegmented | Apr 24 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | they don't just exchange code | Apr 24 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | they mutate by bad copying | Apr 24 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without an official diagnosis, they can write anything on the death certificate. | Apr 24 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | which is ultimately much better vs. antibodies | Apr 24 21:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can even say "COVID-19 highly suspected" and not count. | Apr 24 21:45 |
| CrystalMath | every time they make a spike protein it's slightly different | Apr 24 21:45 |
| MinceR | they could still interfere with each other's replication processes | Apr 24 21:46 |
| CrystalMath | being plain mRNA they have very little control over their own replication processes | Apr 24 21:47 |
| CrystalMath | certainly not to the degree of exchanging information | Apr 24 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | influenzavirus is not mRNA | Apr 24 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | it's genomic RNA aka negative-sense | Apr 24 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | thus, it controls its replication procedure | Apr 24 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | because when it needs a protein it will first transcribe that | Apr 24 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | then it will go into the ribosome | Apr 24 21:48 |
| CrystalMath | and copies of the negative-sense RNA are reserved for new virions | Apr 24 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | this does not mutate as much, but! | Apr 24 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | that's why it has another trick | Apr 24 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | it's seperated into segments | Apr 24 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | so two viruses coinfecting a cell can exchange segments | Apr 24 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | thus speeding up the mutation | Apr 24 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | and create a chimeric variant | Apr 24 21:49 |
| CrystalMath | a downside, is that negative-sense RNA viruses have to carry an RNA-template RNA-polymerase | Apr 24 21:51 |
| CrystalMath | or nothing will run | Apr 24 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > they could still interfere with each other's replication processes | Apr 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since Illinois started to ramp up testing, we haven't had a day with less than 100 deaths. | Apr 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is very troubling, because it shows that without enough tests, the numbers that make the south look better are probably a bunch of baloney. | Apr 24 21:57 |
| *LarchOye has quit (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in) | Apr 24 22:03 | |
| *LarchOye (znc@spaceweed.spacetechnology.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 22:04 | |
| CrystalMath | DaemonFC[m]: but tests don't kill | Apr 24 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | the deaths were just delayed | Apr 24 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | as the virus progressed | Apr 24 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The tests that confirm COVID-19 make it possible to prove that that's why the person died. | Apr 24 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Without guessing that it may have been that or flu-related pneumonia or something. | Apr 24 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | There's a parallel flu-related pneumonia or something pandemic in the wild. | Apr 24 22:08 |
| CrystalMath | well i wouldn't say that's right... one could still be infected with both COVID-19 and something else, and that something else could be the cause of death | Apr 24 22:08 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i had the flu this year, but it seems to originate from someone who lives in Wuhan, so idk | Apr 24 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sorry, had to restart Vivaldi. Security update. | Apr 24 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some really nasty ones this time. Google managed to pay out like $50,000 for their bug bounties upstream. | Apr 24 22:14 |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has left #techrights | Apr 24 22:27 | |
| *smnthermes (976c22869c@xmpp.snopyta.org) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 22:27 | |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: yes it possible that someone with Covid-19 will can die from something less but its unlikely due to Covid-19 being Lung effecting that it would not be a contributing factor to death. | Apr 24 22:42 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: even being shot minor lung infection slows you reflex time. | Apr 24 22:42 |
| CrystalMath | COVID-19 does not always infect the lungs | Apr 24 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Lungs and upper airway | Apr 24 22:43 |
| CrystalMath | in many cases there's even a lack of bronchitis | Apr 24 22:43 |
| oiaohm | upper airway still effects airflow to lungs. | Apr 24 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | okay so if someone is shot while having the flu | Apr 24 22:44 |
| CrystalMath | do you write that down as "shot" or "flu"? | Apr 24 22:44 |
| oiaohm | On a medical report is both. | Apr 24 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | you would count that as a flu death? | Apr 24 22:45 |
| oiaohm | flu is there as contributing factor to death. | Apr 24 22:45 |
| CrystalMath | you're insane | Apr 24 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Its not insane its just how detailed the reports have to be. | Apr 24 22:45 |
| oiaohm | You have primary cause of death and contributing causes to that death. | Apr 24 22:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie the shot would be primary. | Apr 24 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | that sounds like something deliberately designed to increase the fear of virus deaths | Apr 24 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | i think, if a person shot has covid, and that is publicly listed as a covid-19 death | Apr 24 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | whoever wrote that in is a criminal | Apr 24 22:46 |
| CrystalMath | especially given the crazy panic nowadays | Apr 24 22:47 |
| oiaohm | Please note someone is overweight and they die from a gun shot that is a contributing cause of death as well. | Apr 24 22:47 |
| CrystalMath | yes but in this case it would be contributing to panic | Apr 24 22:47 |
| CrystalMath | compared to gunshots, all viruses are harmless | Apr 24 22:47 |
| CrystalMath | except for bullets that partially miss | Apr 24 22:47 |
| CrystalMath | i don't understand the hysteria against viruses, at all | Apr 24 22:48 |
| CrystalMath | we must live with viruses | Apr 24 22:48 |
| oiaohm | Please note when you see deaths from obesity you have to double check if they include all contributing or not as well | Apr 24 22:48 |
| CrystalMath | one rarely dies due to obesity itself | Apr 24 22:48 |
| oiaohm | This is just how the medical reports are. | Apr 24 22:48 |
| CrystalMath | i mean there was that half-ton man who couldn't move | Apr 24 22:49 |
| oiaohm | The bullet shot example could be in those numbers. | Apr 24 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Just because it was a lightly contributing factor. | Apr 24 22:49 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Like we must live with lice? | Apr 24 22:49 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: the medical reporting is designed the way it is for a reason. With a lot of medical issues it better to over react to possible issue than under react. | Apr 24 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Numbers reading slightly high than the real number is better than reading slightly low. | Apr 24 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically the system is designed to increase fear of all deaths universally. | Apr 24 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: well yeah, although not everyone has lice at any given time | Apr 24 22:53 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: just like not everyone has any particular virus at any given time | Apr 24 22:53 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: I guess that's where we just have to agree to disagree. | Apr 24 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: well, we do live with viruses | Apr 24 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | i just say give up on trying to change that | Apr 24 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | When I brought lice from the UK to Russia, I was less than happy. | Apr 24 22:54 |
| CrystalMath | i have the status quo on my side | Apr 24 22:54 |
| XRevan86 | I guess you'd be more than fine with that situation, hence the inherent difference in how we see the world. | Apr 24 22:55 |
| CrystalMath | i also like this text (title has nothing to do with chinese, it's some future scifi) https://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2020/03/bat-eating-troglodytes-of-wuhan.html | Apr 24 22:55 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_virome horrible as it sounds there is about 2 viruses that every human has on earth. Ok they are non lethal ones. | Apr 24 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cluborlov.blogspot.com | ClubOrlov: Bat-eating Troglodytes of Wuhan | Apr 24 22:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Human virome - Wikipedia | Apr 24 22:55 | |
| oiaohm | So it is possible for every human to be infected by the same virus at the same time. | Apr 24 22:56 |
| MinceR | 24 234955 < XRevan86> CrystalMath: Like we must live with lice? | Apr 24 22:57 |
| MinceR | Papa Nurgle demands it. | Apr 24 22:57 |
| XRevan86 | It is thought that lice were practically eradicated in Russia. But they got better %). | Apr 24 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | Imported from the lice capital of the world – the UK, possibly. | Apr 24 22:58 |
| XRevan86 | * louse capital | Apr 24 22:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Warhammer? | Apr 24 22:59 |
| CrystalMath | "It would have been hard to tell whether the bat-eating troglodytes who dwelled outside the high-security perimeter were any happier. Their lives were shortened by lack of hygiene and good medical care, and once in a while some of them got wiped out, together with their flocks and herds, when a particularly virulent swine flu or avian flu would make a periodic appearance. On the plus side, it was unlikely | Apr 24 23:01 |
| CrystalMath | that they spent much time or effort engaged in a wide range of compulsive behaviors to avoid contagion, or obsessing over whether such compulsive behaviors were justified." | Apr 24 23:01 |
| CrystalMath | i want to be one of the troglodytes, if such a future occurs | Apr 24 23:02 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yes | Apr 24 23:02 |
| CrystalMath | i would rather live a dangerous free life than be a protected slave | Apr 24 23:02 |
| XRevan86 | "what do you mean I can't bump heads with you because I have cooties?" | Apr 24 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | "you disgust me, freedom oppressor" | Apr 24 23:03 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i just want to live in a place where people live with viruses, bacteria, and the rest | Apr 24 23:04 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: You already do. | Apr 24 23:04 |
| CrystalMath | yes but if the dark future comes, will i still be able to find such a place? | Apr 24 23:04 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: It will never happen. | Apr 24 23:04 |
| MinceR | https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/1694.html | Apr 24 23:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darthsanddroids.net | Darths & Droids | Apr 24 23:53 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
