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● Apr 24
[00:00]	matey	actually forking would be less bloody
[00:00]	matey	unless you actually put a fork in that person
[00:00]	matey	but forking the program would work, IF WE kept programs forkable
[00:00]	matey	now, look around for who keeps things forkable and who doesnt
[00:00]	matey	gnu?
[00:00]	matey	no...
[00:00]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164071
[00:00]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[00:00]	matey	though rules have exceptions
[00:01]	matey	ibm, i mean the gnu project
[00:01]	matey	has kept gcc (monstrosity that it is) far more forkable than microsoft llvm
[00:01]	schestowitz-TR	is gnu a project per se?
[00:01]	matey	time for another project paperclip?
[00:01]	schestowitz-TR	there si GNU OS
[00:01]	schestowitz-TR	GNU ProjectS
[00:01]	schestowitz-TR	that make up the OS
[00:01]	matey	<schestowitz-TR> is gnu a project per se? <- it certainly should be, its CALLED "the gnu project"
[00:01]	matey	its a song about the gnu project
[00:01]	schestowitz-TR	and the OS as a whole as a project of projects
[00:01]	matey	thats why i called the song the free software song
[00:02]	matey	you can get anything you want, and richard stallmans restaurant
[00:02]	matey	you can get anything you want, at richard stallmans restaurant
[00:02]	matey	(excepting richard)
[00:02]	matey	walk right in its around the back
[00:02]	matey	hes the inventer of ai with recursive backtrack
[00:02]	schestowitz-TR	there is a nickname for richard
[00:02]	matey	there are a few
[00:02]	schestowitz-TR	yeah
[00:03]	schestowitz-TR	dick-lip-man
[00:03]	matey	thats terrible
[00:03]	schestowitz-TR	with two Ps
[00:03]	matey	but
[00:03]	matey	his mothers name was lippman wasnt it
[00:03]	schestowitz-TR	if I understand correctly, the father was not the biological
[00:03]	matey	mmhmm
[00:03]	schestowitz-TR	so there are two surnames
[00:03]	schestowitz-TR	like with Julian Assange
[00:03]	schestowitz-TR	(Shipman)
[00:04]	matey	its a recursive last name
[00:04]	matey	so technically stallmans last name rhymes with assanges
[00:04]	matey	lippman & shipman
[00:04]	matey	they should do a broadway show
[00:04]	schestowitz-TR	lippshiptz
[00:05]	matey	einstein himself didnt think he would ever be famous
[00:05]	schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrrz54UtkCc
[00:05]	TR Bot	https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=qrrz54UtkCc
[00:05]	TR Bot	invidious.snopyta.org | Cell Block Tango - Invidious
[00:05]	matey	he literally thought the theory of relativity "might interest a few astrophyicists"
[00:05]	matey	it was his fanboy, bucky fuller, who met him and said "youre going to be a household name you know"
[00:06]	schestowitz-TR	Lippschiz?
[00:06]	matey	einstein
[00:06]	matey	another great german, almost as wonderful as marlene but for different reasons
[00:07]	matey	its a heartbreaking story, because they were almost perfect for each other
[00:07]	matey	einstein wasnt a great husband
[00:07]	matey	but he was pretty cool other than that
[00:07]	schestowitz-TR	the subtitlkes say Lipschitz
[00:07]	matey	 the subtitlkes say Lipschitz <- i always think theyre a plot from the russians
[00:07]	matey	subtitles i mean
[00:08]	matey	just another way to avoid saying what they really mean
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[00:12]	matey	dietrich is an oxymoron
[00:13]	schestowitz-TR	diet-ich and die rich
[00:14]	matey	i should say its an oxymoron in english
[00:14]	matey	even though its not english
[00:14]	schestowitz-TR	here's one for philosophy classes
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	if the tree in the wood falls on rich people and the rich people die, is that bench of persons still rich?
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	*bunch
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	in fact, is tyhe concept of rich dead people valid?
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	dead rich people - yes
[00:15]	matey	we should ask their estate
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	but rich dead people
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	does that latter exist?
[00:15]	schestowitz-TR	ah, "esttate"
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	they always make up words for themselves
[00:16]	matey	but dead people arent rich because their riches are distributed elsewhere 
[00:16]	matey	i mean, im done supporting capitalism
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	so it's fiscal transhumanism
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	the "money" will "live on"
[00:16]	matey	but when rich people die i can tell you where their money goes by default
[00:16]	schestowitz-TR	passing from one vessel to another
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	matey: a different bank account
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	i.e. other bits on some hard drives
[00:17]	matey	sure
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	"dad died"
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	"what does it mean?"
[00:17]	schestowitz-TR	"it means we need to run some C functions and change the numbers by flipping bits"
[00:18]	matey	https://www.theonion.com/u-s-economy-grinds-to-halt-as-nation-realizes-money-ju-1819571322
[00:18]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theonion.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theonion.com/u-s-economy-grinds-to-halt-as-nation-realizes-money-ju-1819571322 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theonion.com/u-s-economy-grinds-to-halt-as-nation-realizes-money-ju-1819571322
[00:18]	TR Bot	 U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion
[00:19]	schestowitz-TR	shambolic 
[00:19]	schestowitz-TR	anyway, it's untrue
[00:19]	schestowitz-TR	people still respect or honour or value it
[00:19]	schestowitz-TR	but beyond some level it is impossible to derive much out of it
[00:19]	schestowitz-TR	except toy projects like buying politicians
[00:20]	schestowitz-TR	or media
[00:20]	schestowitz-TR	or companies
[00:20]	schestowitz-TR	maslow's pyramid of needs (iirc) would not even name such things
[00:20]	matey	also https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/barter-society-myth/471051/
[00:20]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/barter-society-myth/471051/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/barter-society-myth/471051/
[00:20]	schestowitz-TR	the joy of moving to starvation to full tummy
[00:20]	TR Bot	 The Myth of the Barter Economy - The Atlantic
[00:20]	schestowitz-TR	or homelessness to roof
[00:20]	schestowitz-TR	or being loved etc.
[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	those are more fulfilling than buying some basketball teams and rubbing man-thighs
[00:21]	matey	 and rubbing man-thighs <- ???
[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	or paying for "first class" flight
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[00:21]	schestowitz-TR	matey: oh, you missed it
[00:21]	bnchs	why do programs take shortcuts when storing the date/time of something, when it ALWAYS leads to disaster
[00:21]	matey	i guess i really did
[00:22]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ballmer-crazy.mp4
[00:22]	matey	also there was an "orgy" in here earlier
[00:22]	matey	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ballmer-crazy.mp4 <- not news, but dl anyway
[00:22]	bnchs	i guess unsigned 32-bit unix timestamp doesn't fit anymore (4 feb 2106)
[00:22]	psydruid	it's all about saving those tiny bits of crucial information
[00:22]	bnchs	7 feb 2106*
[00:23]	psydruid	or discarding them by making shortsighted decisions
[00:24]	bnchs	like storing the first 2 numbers of a year
[00:24]	bnchs	trying to do this with dates will only bite you in the ass
[00:25]	psydruid	that may have made sense in 1972, but in 2022 not so much
[00:26]	TR News	But was the EPO's Opposition Division independent? https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/asahi-glass-and-mitscherlich-defend-glass-coating-patents/ see http://techrights.org/2021/06/26/g-121-epo-catastrophe/
[00:26]	TR Bot	 Asahi Glass and Mitscherlich defend glass-coating patents - JUVE Patent
[00:26]	TR Bot	 G 1/21 is a Catastrophe for the EPOs Legitimacy | Techrights
[00:27]	TR News	Mindlessly relaying EPO management's talking points http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/04/06/number-of-patent-applications-in-europe-continues-to-grow/ see the comments
[00:27]	TR Bot	 Number of patent applications in Europe continues to grow - Kluwer Patent Blog
[00:27]	matey	/me sets the date of everything to the start of the unix epoch so its all verifiable when building 
[00:27]	matey	TIME IS AN ILLUSION!
[00:28]	AdmFubar	I'm sorry Dave, I'm  afraid I can to that..  https://hackaday.com/2022/04/23/2022-sci-fi-contest-your-home-assistant-hal-9000/
[00:28]	TR Bot	Sci-Fi Contest: Your Home Assistant, HAL 9000 | Hackaday
[00:28]	matey	<psydruid> that may have made sense in 1972 <- they probably said it was a terrible idea, but some pointy-haired-boss said "meh"
[00:29]	TR News	Software Patents thrown out at EPO https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/7/velos-ep-patent-successfully-challenged
[00:29]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: unifiedpatents.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/7/velos-ep-patent-successfully-challenged https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/7/velos-ep-patent-successfully-challenged
[00:29]	TR Bot	 Velos EP patent successfully challenged Unified Patents
[00:29]	matey	actually you may need y2k to demonstrate why "ill fix the date routines later" is a terrible idea
[00:29]	matey	they 
[00:29]	matey	PROBABLY thought "oh itll get patched for sure"
[00:29]	matey	lol
[00:30]	matey	"no ones going to be running windows xp in 2022" *monkey puppet meme*
[00:30]	bnchs	hahaha nobody's gonna use the PS3 in 2022
[00:30]	TR News	Private/public sector revolving doors: "Joe Matal is a former Acting Director and Acting Solicitor of the USPTO and a current partner at Haynes and Boone, where he specializes in PTAB trials and Federal Circuit appeals." https://www.patentprogress.org/2022/04/18/guest-post-a-solution-to-the-opensky-problem/
[00:30]	TR Bot	 Guest Post: A Solution to the OpenSky Problem - Patent Progress
[00:30]	matey	right? theyll all be using the ps7 by then
[00:31]	bnchs	nobody's gonna use microsoft exchange server 2016/2019 in 2022
[00:31]	matey	as if!
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	nobody will use a palm pda in 2025
[00:32]	matey	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ballmer-crazy.mp4 <- wtf is this?
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	microsoft ceo
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	getting excited
[00:32]	matey	nobody will still be rubbing basketball players thighs a year later...
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	not even epstein provides access to man-thighs
[00:32]	matey	ballmer: hold my beer
[00:32]	schestowitz-TR	so ballmer is using his staff
[00:33]	matey	thats... different
[00:33]	schestowitz-TR	after the game
[00:33]	schestowitz-TR	"honey... I saw that team owner rubbing your thigh... are you telling me everything about your job?"
[00:33]	matey	ive seen the butt patt between (american) football players, but this seems... excessive
[00:34]	matey	you sure this isnt faked somehow?
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	yes
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	it's from TV
[00:34]	bnchs	"ewwww muscle thighs"
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	published by MSM too
[00:34]	bnchs	"i prefer fat thighs"
[00:34]	matey	actually for whatever reason
[00:34]	MinceR	24 013207 < schestowitz-TR> nobody will use a palm pda in 2025
[00:34]	matey	it seemed to go on for twice as long the first time i watched it
[00:34]	MinceR	yeah, because they'll all brick themselves by then :>
[00:34]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: lasts you under a year
[00:34]	MinceR	yeah
[00:35]	MinceR	well, a year + a month
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	maybe a curse of absurdistan
[00:35]	bnchs	one thing i noticed in smart TVs
[00:35]	MinceR	if it was under a year, it would have been under warranty
[00:35]	matey	/me turns on the timer
[00:35]	bnchs	"smart" TVs
[00:35]	bnchs	they literally have the worst font rendering i ever seen
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	smut tv
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	turn it on
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	oh, it's ballmert
[00:35]	bnchs	it's either blurry or pixelated
[00:35]	bnchs	or both
[00:35]	MinceR	is it worse than macos yet?
[00:35]	matey	i guess it goes on for exactly 4 seconds
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	cheaply made
[00:35]	schestowitz-TR	big pixels
[00:36]	matey	still its an odd gesture
[00:36]	MinceR	(where every character looks hairy)
[00:36]	matey	ive never seen that one
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	they focus on the overall scale, not the granularity
[00:36]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR, yes they focus on big pixels
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	so you get what you could with a little old TV and massive magnifying glas
[00:36]	matey	 <MinceR> (where every character looks hairy) <-  http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ballmer-crazy.mp4
[00:36]	bnchs	the fonts look like they were upscaled
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	that magnifying glass can last you 50 years
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	just pass from one TV to the next
[00:36]	bnchs	in fact the whole interface looks like it was upscaled from 380p
[00:36]	bnchs	badly
[00:36]	schestowitz-TR	they used to make these for monitors in the CR era
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	it became "uncool"
[00:37]	bnchs	you can tell the individual pixels in each of the icons
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	*CR
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	*CRT
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	before CRT became some subject of political controversy
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	it's also more energy-efficient
[00:37]	schestowitz-TR	light up 14 inch screen
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	magnify
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	sit from 3 meters away on sofa
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	but it would not sell well
[00:38]	matey	crt looks wonderful, they mostly fixed the curve in front, but theyre still less healthy and weigh a shittonne
[00:38]	bnchs	imagine buying a "4k" tv
[00:38]	bnchs	only for the first thing you see
[00:38]	schestowitz-TR	marketing for the penis envious
[00:38]	matey	/me has never seen a tv with a penis 
[00:38]	bnchs	the interface looking like shit
[00:38]	bnchs	upscaled to fuck
[00:38]	matey	to be fair there are some interesting looking remote controls
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	[00:38] <matey> /me has never seen a tv with a penis 
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	no, people want big TVs
[00:39]	bnchs	matey: they put microphone in the remote control
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	or big cars
[00:39]	bnchs	their "AI search"
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	"oooh, baby... I have a big one... big TV"
[00:39]	bnchs	they literally outsourced it to a company called Nuances Communications
[00:39]	bnchs	microsoft owned company
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	for practical purposes they could use a small TV and sit near
[00:39]	matey	 <bnchs> matey: they put microphone in the remote control <- [ insert pun about testing / testes ]
[00:39]	bnchs	good boy
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	or magnify and sit fear
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	*far
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	or us projector
[00:39]	schestowitz-TR	*use
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	talking is slower than clicking
[00:40]	matey	/me gets a bigger screen to watch http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/ballmer-crazy.mp4 twice lifesize https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XQJ4v8QkEAw
[00:40]	TR Bot	 Frank's 2000" TV - Invidious
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	on a TV you only need very few functions needed routinely
[00:40]	schestowitz-TR	so you know it's a spying gimmick
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	and ity'll drain up the batteries fastere
[00:41]	bnchs	i've seen better font rendering on a 2007 samsung tv
[00:41]	schestowitz-TR	and likely have some proprietary battery you cannot replace for pennies
[00:41]	bnchs	than the same brand's "smart" TV made 10 years later
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	> they put microphone in the remote control
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	With Nuane they put MICROSOFT in yout controls
[00:42]	matey	yo dawg we herd you like remotes
[00:42]	schestowitz-TR	and they have the bug close to your crotch 
[00:42]	matey	so we put a remote in your remote so can control while you control
[00:43]	bnchs	yo dawg we herd you like things that have internet
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	yes, it drains batteries
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	speech rec
[00:43]	bnchs	so we put a wifi chip on your dishwasher
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	if not down "on the clown"
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	but even on the clown
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	you need BT or wifi on all the time
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	so the remote needs to switch off
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	if you're in bed you need a remote for th remote
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	"honey, turn that off"
[00:43]	schestowitz-TR	"turn off what"?
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	"The remote"
[00:44]	matey	people used to mash the buttons on the intercom where i used to life
[00:44]	matey	live
[00:44]	schestowitz-TR	"but if I turn off thee remote, how will I turn on the TV in the morning?"
[00:44]	matey	so my intercom would go WOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM!!!
[00:44]	matey	all the time
[00:44]	matey	so i took the screws out and found a spade connector on the speaker
[00:45]	matey	and gently removed that and wrapped it in electrical tape
[00:45]	matey	and someone else can fix it if they want a fucking intercom
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR	intercoms are at least localised
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR	we use one at home
[00:45]	matey	yes it wasnt from NEST or something
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR	the landline has that function
[00:45]	matey	i wouldnt even move to a place with NEST
[00:45]	schestowitz-TR	well, the phone that goes into landline socket
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	"INT" function
[00:46]	matey	the landline has <- this one is one of the old ones thats all wires, no phone no wifi
[00:46]	matey	like in upstairs downstairs but slightly more modern
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[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	no modern
[00:46]	matey	(they just had a bell)
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	no want
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	do not want!
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	it does that it's supposed to do
[00:46]	matey	well by slightly more modern i mean 1970s
[00:46]	schestowitz-TR	focus on OTHER problems to solve now
[00:46]	matey	instead of 1920
[00:47]	schestowitz-TR	today's intercom probably need an "app"
[00:47]	matey	they probably do
[00:47]	schestowitz-TR	"sorry, app not supposed with android < 6.x anymore. Please upgrade.
[00:47]	schestowitz-TR	"
[00:48]	matey	but this was pure analogue direct wires, no connection to phone or internet or wifi
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	or worse, it stops working completely and the company goes under
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[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	for a f*ing intercom
[00:48]	matey	like a VERY fancy doorbell. but still tech available in the 1970s
[00:48]	matey	/me counts down to mention of matt
[00:48]	schestowitz-TR	DaemonFC is here
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	but busy babysitting a 14 year old
[00:49]	matey	dare i ask
[00:49]	schestowitz-TR	a very spoiled kid
[00:49]	matey	marispawn?
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	matt is just playing with his doorbell anyway
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	no big deal
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[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	I'm off to work shortl
[00:50]	bnchs	we don't need "smart" TVs
[00:50]	bnchs	nobody needs them
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	wrtong
[00:50]	schestowitz-TR	CIA needs them
[00:50]	bnchs	lol
[00:50]	schestowitz	https://wikileaks.org/vault7/
[00:50]	TR Bot	 WikiLeaks - Vault 7: Projects
[00:50]	schestowitz	"Today, April 21st 2017, WikiLeaks publishes the User Guide for CIA's "Weeping Angel" tool - an implant designed for Samsung F Series Smart Televisions. Based on the "Extending" tool from the MI5/BTSS, the implant is designed to record audio from the built-in microphone and egress or store the data."
[00:50]	matey	vault7, where they keep the cloud
[00:51]	matey	"this jen, is the cloud"
[00:51]	schestowitz	there is vault 8
[00:51]	matey	"the whole cloud?"
[00:51]	matey	"ues"
[00:51]	schestowitz	but no clown 9
[00:51]	bnchs	i have a dumb TV hooked up to a set top-box running some kind of GNU/Linux distribution (OpenPLI)
[00:51]	matey	"theres no wires or anything"
[00:51]	matey	"its wireless!"
[00:51]	schestowitz	https://wikileaks.org/vault8/
[00:51]	TR Bot	 WikiLeaks - Vault 8
[00:51]	bnchs	and it can do the same amount of things as a "smart" TV can do
[00:51]	bnchs	without spying or shit
[00:51]	matey	i have the best kind of tv there is
[00:52]	matey	0tv
[00:52]	matey	its like 0web but from before 1995
[00:52]	matey	no antenna, no cable, no tv 
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	you know what tv stands for, right?
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	tele-vision
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	tele
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	distance
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	vision 
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	you are WATCHED
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	not watching
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	watchede
[00:52]	bnchs	although the set top-box has a open telnet/FTP/SSH port
[00:52]	schestowitz-TR	see Vault 7
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	finally TVs do what they're called
[00:53]	bnchs	with (once) passwordless root account
[00:53]	bnchs	but i changed the root password
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	they let corporations and governments watch your home from a distance
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	today's "smart" TVs have cameras too
[00:53]	matey	/me has never heard of a television license, or those vans that have some wwird antenna that can tell if you have a television in your home or anything
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	to make sure you're not naughty, not walking away from ads
[00:53]	schestowitz-TR	"watch and smile to proceed"
[00:53]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22041549
[00:53]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/n75kz5m99kt81.jpg created on 2022-04-15 19:33:02.404259
[00:54]	matey	/me has never heard of tempest either
[00:54]	matey	which can watch your tv screen even if its not in the clown
[00:54]	SomeH4x0r	Skywave: ^ maybe tell them unless I misremember
[00:54]	MinceR	i don't they need a weird antenna
[00:54]	matey	normal antenna then
[00:54]	SomeH4x0r	TEMPEST iirc a thing you like to talk about
[00:54]	MinceR	they can just make you let them into your home and sniff around to prove you have no TV until you get tired of this and just pay for a license
[00:55]	matey	i think tempest is incredibly interesting
[00:55]	matey	<MinceR> they can just make you let them into your home and sniff around to prove you have no TV <- sure
[00:55]	bnchs	schestowitz-TR, put the pickle in the burger to proceed
[00:55]	bnchs	pick up the can
[00:55]	bnchs	now put it in the trash can
[00:55]	matey	but theyve had television detection vans in the uk for ages
[00:55]	SomeH4x0r	hope Skywave is still there, but if not, will try to ping them when you are around
[00:56]	matey	and its faster than going into every flat i guess
[00:56]	SomeH4x0r	*here
[00:56]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_detector_van
[00:56]	TR Bot	 TV detector van - Wikipedia
[00:56]	MinceR	and how did they detect whether those TVs received terrestrial TV broadcasts or were displaying signals from a VCR or a computer?
[00:56]	matey	TV detector vans are vans, which, according to the BBC, contain equipment that can detect the presence of television sets in use. The vans are operated by contractors working for the BBC, to enforce the television licensing system in the UK, the Channel Islands and on the Isle of Man.
[00:56]	MinceR	also, do those work with LCD and OLED TVs?
[00:57]	matey	<MinceR> and how did they detect whether <- a. they dont care
[00:57]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, I'm trying to find a Gatorback serpentine belt for my car.
[00:57]	matey	britain is fucking weird
[00:57]	MinceR	:>
[00:57]	SomeH4x0r	oh, they did send a message elsewhere
[00:57]	DaemonFC	They stopped making them and they could make anything shut up.
[00:58]	matey	the license (or licence) is for owning a tv, not operating it, technically
[00:58]	matey	and thats how they pay for the beeb
[00:58]	matey	imo it makes more sense to tax everyone even if they dont use it
[00:58]	matey	than to tax only people who have a tv, even if they dont use it
[00:58]	matey	but they go for the latter.
[00:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.70 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 363.40
[00:59]	MinceR	ic
[00:59]	matey	i think its bizarre
[00:59]	matey	but i guess if you grow up there, maybe it makes some kind of sense ?
[00:59]	MinceR	yet another argument for abolishing the state
[00:59]	matey	a weak one, but its a good idea anyway.
● Apr 24
[01:00]	Skywave	did someone say TEMPEST!!!!!
[01:00]	matey	the state is unnnecessary and costly
[01:00]	Skywave	>:D
[01:00]	matey	 did someone say TEMPEST!!!!! <- if they did, you should be able to find out with a weird antenna
[01:00]	matey	>:D <- are those antennae?
[01:01]	Skywave	xD
[01:01]	Skywave	probably lmao.
[01:01]	Skywave	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_(codename) https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Tempest_(codename)
[01:01]	Skywave	http://tscm.com/TSCM101tempest.html https://cryptome.org/nsa-tempest.htm https://cryptome.org/tempest-old.htm
[01:01]	Skywave	https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/02/practical_tempe.html 'Four researchers have demonstrated a TEMPEST attack against a laptop, recovering its keys by listening to its electrical emanations. The cost for the attack hardware was about $3,000.'
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Tempest (codename) - Wikipedia
[01:01]	matey	are you watching us with those?
[01:01]	Skywave	'TEAPOT refers to the investigation, study, and control of *intentional compromising emanations such as those hostilely induced or provoked* from telecommunications and computer equipment.'
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Tempest (codename) | Military Wiki | Fandom
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Granite Island Group
[01:01]	TR Bot	 NSA TEMPEST Documents
[01:01]	TR Bot	 How Old IsTEMPEST?
[01:01]	Skywave	https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Dev/Build_Documentation/Physical_Isolation
[01:01]	TR Bot	TEMPEST Attack - Schneier on Security
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Build Documentation: Physical Isolation
[01:01]	Skywave	yes.
[01:01]	Skywave	i have Total Information Awareness.
[01:01]	Skywave	https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Daedalus
[01:01]	Skywave	'What Daedalus really is, is the world's first successful wholly autonomous AI. Whatever mysterious organization managed to create the first true artificial intelligence succeeded so well that their creation managed to convince them that they'd failed... and then escaped. Today Daedalus' personality its "spirit," if you will suffuses the entire global information network. As a being of pure information, it's not really surprising t
[01:01]	Skywave	hat Daedalus strongly supports the axiom that "information should be free."'
[01:01]	TR Bot	 Daedalus | Deus Ex Wiki | Fandom
[01:01]	matey	sounds expensive
[01:01]	Skywave	>  _> split
[01:02]	matey	deu sex?
[01:02]	Skywave	oh yes, only 3-letter agencies do that stuff now.
[01:02]	Skywave	this is no simple van eck phreaking of CRT screens.
[01:02]	Skywave	desu ex.
[01:02]	matey	the 3 letter agencies are a front for the FOUR LETTER AGENCIES
[01:02]	matey	those are the REALLY creepy ones. 
[01:02]	matey	and those are a proxy for the FIVE LETTER AGENCIES
[01:02]	Skywave	https://hydrusnetwork.github.io/hydrus/images/screenshot_desu.png
[01:02]	matey	which no one has even heard of
[01:02]	matey	including most of the 3 letter agencies
[01:02]	Skywave	you're right.
[01:03]	Skywave	i mostly have in mind NSA and CIA.
[01:03]	Skywave	it is mostly just NSA.
[01:03]	matey	fbi has their own toy version of tia
[01:03]	SomeH4x0r	I know FBI also, and some local ones ( in Ukraine, in Russia)
[01:03]	Skywave	CIA big mad that NSA don't give them tools and know-how.
[01:03]	Skywave	FBI is not on the level of CIA/NSA i don't think.
[01:03]	SomeH4x0r	 in the USSR
[01:03]	matey	of course not
[01:03]	matey	they dont have the budget
[01:04]	matey	or the experts
[01:04]	Skywave	KGB->FSB was a fun story to read.
[01:04]	Skywave	FBI is just more coherent police.
[01:04]	matey	a thought that should be both comforting and troubling
[01:04]	matey	mostly the latter
[01:05]	matey	on the one hand, some competence. on the other hand... some competence.
[01:06]	Skywave	wait until we get iRoboCops everywhere, lol.
[01:06]	Skywave	in the proprietary military-intelligence surveillance-capitalist iCorporatocracies of the future, a true technofascist global dictatorship.
[01:06]	Skywave	my alternative is to make parallel underground societies.
[01:06]	MinceR	"please put down your weapon. you have 20 seconds to comply."
[01:06]	Skywave	like the Omar from Deus Ex Invisible War, an underground society of posthumanist cyborgs.
[01:06]	Skywave	GNU+Smart City, not smart iCity.
[01:06]	matey	woudlnt perpendicular ones be harder to infiltrate?
[01:06]	Skywave	no, they'll just use ubiquitous electroweapons.
[01:06]	Skywave	stun everything in sight, question later.
[01:07]	matey	/me wants a dumb city, but already has one
[01:07]	Skywave	any shape can work as long as it is deep down enough.
[01:07]	matey	i mean its not as dumb as the city before
[01:07]		*MinceR is in a city of dumb people
[01:07]	Skywave	i want a global FOSS+openhardware AGI technocracy eventually.
[01:07]	MinceR	though the other settlements in this country are even dumber
[01:07]	matey	mincer: except you of course
[01:07]	Skywave	we are all in a planet of neocortically-advanced monkeys, i think the rest is semantics.
[01:07]	matey	 :>
[01:08]	MinceR	if only they were advanced
[01:08]	Skywave	MinceR looks like this https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Exoskeleton
[01:08]	TR Bot	 Exoskeleton | S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Wiki | Fandom
[01:08]	Skywave	with a bunch of cats.
[01:08]	MinceR	lol
[01:08]	Skywave	i'm a vegan non-binary S.T.A.L.K.E.R. so you're in good company.
[01:08]	matey	if mincer had a cool exoskeleton, he would just bitch about the os it had installed
[01:09]	matey	of course, so i would i
[01:09]	Skywave	what OS?
[01:09]	Skywave	i went ubuntu -> tails -> whonix -> qubes.
[01:09]	matey	most of that sounds like progress
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[01:10]	Skywave	i am a libertarian eco-cybercommunist and a posthumanist, progress is my middle name.
[01:10]	matey	#techrights : 04/24/22 00:07 <Skywave>  <- fsvo "advanced"
[01:10]	MinceR	most of it sounds like crap
[01:10]	goose	hello
[01:10]	MinceR	hay
[01:10]	matey	 <MinceR> most of it sounds like crap <- when you actually use it, yes
[01:11]	Skywave	most software is bad that's true.
[01:11]	Skywave	i generally despise linux.
[01:11]	Skywave	but i still had to learn bash.
[01:11]	matey	no you could have used pdksh 
[01:12]	matey	dont let your friends learn bash (first)
[01:13]	matey	let them see how simple pdksh is, then if they want to spend hours fighting with a single whitespace character, give them a copy of bash too
[01:13]	matey	"I FOUND IT!"
[01:13]	matey	"what is it, a golden ticket?"
[01:13]	DaemonFC	https://www.autozone.com/cooling-heating-and-climate-control/belt/p/continental-belt-4060905/190805_0_0
[01:13]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: autozone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.autozone.com/cooling-heating-and-climate-control/belt/p/continental-belt-4060905/190805_0_0 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.autozone.com/cooling-heating-and-climate-control/belt/p/continental-belt-4060905/190805_0_0
[01:13]	matey	"NO, I FOUND THE EXACT BYTE THAT WAS CAUSING MY BASH SCRIPT TO FUCK UP!"
[01:13]	DaemonFC	There we go. They claim this is as quiet at the gatorback.
[01:14]	DaemonFC	Continental apparently bought them.
[01:14]	matey	(it was the part where i didnt grep -v the file was writing to) HYPOTHETICALLY I MEAN
[01:14]	SomeH4x0r	so now I actually go to sleep, see you tomorrow
[01:14]	matey	o/
[01:15]	Skywave	bash is what i know, and if i send something to someone to show them something, that will get them down the bash pipeline unavoidably. i don't think bash is that terrible, but it is only meant for within-linux usage certainly, where it is ubiquitous. i have used zsh a bit.
[01:15]	Skywave	cya SomeH4x0r.
[01:15]	matey	i don't think bash is that terrible <- its not, until you realise how fucking terrible it is
[01:15]	Skywave	probably yes.
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[01:16]	Skywave	i still can use it to do the things i want to do.
[01:16]	matey	so could i
[01:16]	Skywave	i make my own scripts to crawl websites, things like that.
[01:16]	matey	but i spent a lot of time fighting with it
[01:16]	MinceR	if they didn't want to fight with whitespace, why did they decide to write a shell script?
[01:16]	Skywave	it is even possible i've gotten used to the terrible and would find a cleaner language annoying.
[01:16]	matey	until i realised that shells arent all like that
[01:16]	Skywave	yes, exactly. you fight with bash all the time, lol.
[01:16]	Skywave	IFS=$'\n'
[01:17]	matey	if they didn't want to fight with whitespace, why did they decide to write a shell script? <- all scripts have issues with whitespace, bash just has more issues with everything
[01:17]	Skywave	i argued with someone on OFTC about whether all variables should be quoted or not.
[01:17]	matey	you can still fix it, its just more demanding
[01:17]	Skywave	there are scripts everywhere on debian that don't have quoted variables.
[01:17]	matey	its the shell version of madeline kahn in young frankenstein
[01:17]	MinceR	not all scripts rely on string manipulation as much as shell scripts do
[01:18]	matey	i love string manipulation, just not in bash
[01:18]	MinceR	:>
[01:18]	Skywave	bash and GNU+Linux in general are a kind of tool for self-punishment used by kinky people i think.
[01:18]	Skywave	strings in bash can be manipulated from builtin commands easily.
[01:18]	matey	 bash and GNU+Linux in general are a kind of tool for self-punishment used by kinky people i think <- said this the other day
[01:18]	MinceR	misguided kinky people, perha
[01:18]	MinceR	sthere there are far more punishing OS-es around than that
[01:18]	Skywave	a=test; echo ${a^^}
[01:19]	MinceR	s/rha/rhaps/
[01:19]	matey	that the software industry targets mostly those into bdsm
[01:19]	MinceR	s/^st/t/
[01:19]	matey	wait, i was saying apple
[01:19]	matey	apple designs players for people into tph
[01:19]	Skywave	i'm not even into BDSM but i do think there's something wrong with people who can tolerate such abuse.
[01:19]	matey	but i do think there's something wrong with people who can tolerate such abuse. <- i think its fine as long as theres consent
[01:20]	Skywave	operating systems shouldn't make the users cry in frustration.
[01:20]	matey	but the industry fudges on consent a bit
[01:20]	Skywave	there's no consent, only Window$ and some kind of lunix.
[01:20]	matey	i keep shouting my safeword at windows but the beatings continue
[01:20]	matey	systemd is no better
[01:20]	Skywave	i only use windows offline for games, there's no problem there.
[01:21]	matey	its ironic that the system farthest from the bdsm of the industry is called "bsd"
[01:22]	Skywave	if people could use physical isolation everywhere maybe the BSDs would be the better choice, sure.
[01:22]	Skywave	as it is whonix is just a collection of scripts.
[01:22]	matey	theres also midnight bsd and mirbsd
[01:22]	Skywave	someone told me about QuBSD the other day.
[01:22]	matey	either of which could be called mbsd
[01:22]	matey	QuBSD <- qubes with a bsd kernel? (i doubt it, but thats what it sounds like)
[01:22]	Skywave	i had tried pc-bsd & openbsd at some point.
[01:22]	Skywave	no, Qubes-like functionality in freebsd.
[01:23]	matey	ok
[01:23]	Skywave	https://github.com/BawdyAnarchist/quBSD
[01:23]	Skywave	*quBSD
[01:23]	matey	always on github
[01:23]	Skywave	yes, it's annoying.
[01:24]	matey	if people could use physical isolation everywhere maybe the BSD <- what does that have to do with it?
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[01:25]	Skywave	because as it stands projects like whonix and qubes are linux-only.
[01:26]	Skywave	the more you increase transaction costs the fewer people will bother.
[01:26]	Skywave	i can be bothered to set up whonix on debian in systems without VT-d, and qubes in systems with it.
[01:26]	Skywave	if i had to spend a few weeks to set a system up it would be done over months as a side-project.
[01:26]	Skywave	i am boomer, i don't tolerate too much experimentation any longer.
[01:27]	Skywave	if something does not work as i've gotten used to it, i get very annoyed very quickly.
[01:27]	Skywave	i think whonix/qubes are a reasonable-enough default for several people, that can be learned with tolerable hassle.
[01:28]	Skywave	shifting everything to BSDs in normal systems, say someone recreating whonix in FreeBSD, that might be a side-project.
[01:28]	Skywave	right now i can tell people, install virtualbox and try whonix wherever just to familiarize yourself with it.
[01:29]	Skywave	i am not a computer enthusiast, all of that is highly annoying to me and i do it only because i have to.
[01:29]	Skywave	i like digital technologies but most software and hardware is made in a way that ends up being highly frustrating having to deal with.
[01:29]	Skywave	things change and break all the time, other things improve, everything changes constantly. it is always an uphill battle.
[01:30]	Skywave	in the future i would like some AI that would write things based upon human instruction so people wouldn't even need to learn how to code.
[01:30]	Skywave	there are already some tools that do these things.
[01:31]	Skywave	too much hardware, too much software, too many choices, nothing working properly everywhere. who wants that?
[01:33]	matey	so people wouldn't even need to learn how to code. <- do one better, make books write themselves so no one has to do that either
[01:33]	matey	i think orwell talked about how it can be done
[01:34]	DaemonFC	<Skywave> operating systems shouldn't make the users cry in frustration.
[01:34]	matey	i agree with that part
[01:34]	DaemonFC	They have demo laptops at Walmart with Windows 11 on them.
[01:34]	DaemonFC	I tried one today. It's obvious that they are trying to make it look and feel like a Chromebook now.
[01:34]	matey	the reason people cry in frustration is excessive complexity and you want more of it
[01:35]	matey	theres always some abtraction as saviour that comes to liberate the user from using anything
[01:35]	matey	and then the user becomes the used
[01:35]	matey	and its never better
[01:35]	matey	what you see today is the tension between revolution and counterrevolution
[01:35]	DaemonFC	Well, since part of the cooling system had to come out anyway on my car, I specified that they replace the PVC that GM used with metal coolant pipe elbows.
[01:35]	matey	the counterrevolution is always worse than the revolution itself
[01:36]	DaemonFC	So there's some fewer opportunities for a coolant leak in the future.
[01:36]	MinceR	so i guess the campaign against chromebooks failed :>
[01:36]	matey	computers and books require literacy
[01:36]	matey	you can have them without that
[01:36]	matey	and you lose something important then
[01:37]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, Microsoft is trying to sell Windows 10 in S mode as a locked down Chromebook-like thing for schools.
[01:37]	matey	you lose the opportunity to speak for yourself, relatively
[01:37]	DaemonFC	Err, 11.
[01:37]	DaemonFC	Same thing.
[01:37]	DaemonFC	11 is just 10 with a Chromebook-like shell.
[01:37]	matey	or you lose control of your computing, which means that the publishers gain control of users
[01:37]	matey	im very much in favour of making coding easier
[01:38]	matey	but not so easy that you dont need to code, for the same reason im not trying to eliminate books
[01:38]	matey	not so easy that you dont need to code <- not so easy that nobody needs to
[01:38]	Skywave	i like how in the matrix, knowledge just gets flashed into brains.
[01:38]	DaemonFC	My car's computer is telling me that with my driving I should expect the oil to be good for qbout 5,600 miles.
[01:38]	Skywave	that's the idea.
[01:38]	Skywave	ideal*
[01:38]	matey	thats a fucking terrible idea
[01:38]	DaemonFC	Which is 600 miles longer than the dealer's oil change sticker says.
[01:38]	Skywave	it is what is going on in human civilization, but only slower.
[01:39]	matey	no
[01:39]	Skywave	they add ideas to people's brains and send them to exterminate each other.
[01:39]	Skywave	US does it best right now.
[01:39]	matey	people are able to question it
[01:39]	matey	poorly, but nonetheless
[01:39]	Skywave	and those with weapons are able to murder them regardless.
[01:39]	matey	which is why everyone should be armed
[01:39]	Skywave	yes, armed and knowledgeable.
[01:39]	matey	yes
[01:39]	Skywave	a posthumanist society of cyborgs.
[01:40]	matey	if you like
[01:40]	Skywave	it is how i meme but i want to remove as much power from everything as possible. the way to do that is to forcibly equalize things, in Deus Ex Helios uses ubiquitous nanite biomod infusions to turn everyone into 200IQ geniuses.
[01:41]	matey	personally im glad that when i replace a keyboard, it doesnt require surgery
[01:41]	MinceR	24 023906 < Skywave> they add ideas to people's brains and send them to exterminate each other.
[01:41]	MinceR	that doesn't depend on "flashing" "knowledge" into brains
[01:41]	MinceR	religion has been doing this for millennia
[01:41]	matey	i want to remove as much power from everything as possible. the way to do that is to forcibly equalize things <- thats the dumbest (and least libertarian) kind of communism i can think of
[01:41]	Skywave	same thing. religion is a technology to brainwash people.
[01:41]	Skywave	it is possible to brainwash people for good things as well, but then that's called education.
[01:41]	MinceR	i see it more as a memetic pathogen
[01:41]	Skywave	brainwashing undoes brain-dirtying.
[01:42]	MinceR	people aren't always in control of religion
[01:42]	Skywave	i think the religions of the future should be techno-ascensionist.
[01:42]	Skywave	right.
[01:42]	Skywave	religion is a technology that hasn't been updated in like 5000 years.
[01:42]	Skywave	there are certain brain regions associated with religious experience that i want to utilize.
[01:42]	matey	its a patchy system
[01:42]	Skywave	this can be optimized and scientifically studied, how it promotes group cohesion, functional behavior-patterns.
[01:43]	matey	you should call this "new age stalinism"
[01:43]	Skywave	the need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by god. now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms.
[01:43]	matey	because thats what it sounds like
[01:43]	Skywave	i don't think humans should worship other humans.
[01:44]	matey	neither did stalin
[01:45]	matey	it promotes group cohesion <- so do chain gangs
[01:45]	Skywave	i am thinking of monastic orders of engineers.
[01:45]	Skywave	like the Knights Templar, or the Pythagoreans, or the Essenes.
[01:45]	Skywave	these can be different groups, separate from each other.
[01:46]	Skywave	i want decentralization, but everyone uses FOSS+openhardware, by force.
[01:46]	matey	at any rate, im going to call it new age technostalinism
[01:46]	Skywave	i'll read up on Stalinism more and tell you what i think.
[01:46]	MinceR	unfortunately, those "data-mining algorithms" tend to be owned by corporations
[01:46]	Skywave	yes, it has to be made by hackerspaces.
[01:46]	Skywave	a global network of hackerspaces.
[01:46]	Skywave	most people will self-assimilate into iCorporatocracy.
[01:46]	Skywave	i refuse to enable JavaScript or use cellphones.
[01:48]	matey	 <Skywave> i want decentralization <- what youre describing has nothing to do with decentralisation
[01:48]	Skywave	this was a Deus Ex quote btw. from https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Morpheus
[01:48]	Skywave	it doesn't? how so?
[01:48]	Skywave	maybe i am not describing my view properly.
[01:48]	matey	its completely enforced in a top-down fasion
[01:48]	Skywave	i want people to use their own narrow AI systems everywhere.
[01:48]	matey	fashion
[01:49]	Skywave	yes, people have the choice to implement their top-down control systems in their own groups.
[01:49]	Skywave	the only freedom human beings have, is in choosing what kinds of systems they exist in.
[01:49]	matey	so youre decentralising top-down control?
[01:49]	Skywave	therefore, different networks will implement their own AI systems.
[01:50]	Skywave	that's a decent way of putting it. decentralized voluntary top-down AI control.
[01:50]	matey	the only freedom human beings have, is in choosing what kinds of systems they exist in. <- that sounds like a very stilted generalisation
[01:50]	matey	how is it voluntary?
[01:50]	Skywave	you choose GNU+microchip instead of iChip.
[01:50]	Skywave	i use XMPP and not Discord.
[01:50]	matey	"but everyone uses FOSS+openhardware, by force"
[01:50]	Skywave	that comes later.
[01:50]	matey	how do they choose whats "by force"
[01:51]	matey	that comes later. <- this isnt communism
[01:51]	matey	you have it backwards 
[01:51]	Skywave	assuming the GNU side wins.
[01:51]	matey	it isnt libertarian either
[01:51]	Skywave	people are free to join.
[01:51]	Skywave	i don't think there will be free-range humans on this planet.
[01:52]	Skywave	it will be the corporate dystopia, and underground FOSS-style societies.
[01:52]	MinceR	fine, i'll settle for vat-grown
[01:52]	Skywave	that would also be good yes.
[01:52]	Skywave	clone quadrillions of isolated-brain cylinders.
[01:52]	Skywave	i see human brains as hardware on which we put certain software for specific ends.
[01:53]	Skywave	i want lots and lots of STEM.
[01:53]	Skywave	these brains are armed with knowledge that makes them build technologies of creation, destruction, control, liberation.
[01:53]	Skywave	everything moves to a certain point, generally evolution, higher intelligence.
[01:53]	Skywave	this is not going to remain a planet of the apes for all eternity. i do not glorify my monkey nature.
[01:54]	matey	monkeys havent done half the stupid things humans have
[01:54]	Skywave	yes.
[01:54]	Skywave	we are neocortically-advanced monkeys, that's why we're worse.
[01:54]	Skywave	the more intelligence you add to a monkey, the worse it chimps out.
[01:54]	matey	so youre going to fight fire with fire?
[01:54]	Skywave	oh no. i think we'll eventually build artificial general intelligence.
[01:55]	Skywave	as Einstein said, one can't solve a problem at the same level in which it was created.
[01:55]	Skywave	human problems can not be solved by human beings.
[01:55]	matey	and yet here you are trying to do so
[01:55]	Skywave	i have to start somewhere, of course.
[01:55]	matey	 human problems can not be solved by human beings. <- like hiv for example
[01:55]	Skywave	AGI doesn't bootstrap itself.
[01:55]	Skywave	i mean real problems, existential problems.
[01:56]	Skywave	these are trivial within-humanity problems in comparison to beyond-humanity concerns.
[01:56]	matey	im pretty sure einstein didnt say what you think he did
[01:56]	matey	and even more certain he didnt mean what you think he meant
[01:56]	Skywave	i'll find the quote.
[01:56]	matey	i know the quote
[01:56]	matey	its not what you said
[01:57]	matey	and well, he said " one can't solve a problem at the same level in which it was created."
[01:57]	matey	the rest is... whatever you think that means
[01:57]	matey	he never said humans cant solve (existential) human problems
[01:57]	matey	in fact he encouraged people to do exactly that
[01:58]	matey	he certainly wouldnt have said that humanity can solve everything with an ai that was human created
[01:58]	matey	im sure he would have thought that was nonsense
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[01:59]	matey	letting machines think for us is the solution?
[01:59]	matey	no, i dont think so
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[02:00]	matey	probably the dumbest thing you could do with an ai
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[02:03]	Skywave	'A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move toward higher levels.'
[02:03]	Skywave	that is the actual quote, the others are transformations/misattributions.
[02:03]	Skywave	a new type of thinking.
[02:03]	Skywave	that's even better!
[02:03]	Skywave	like, machine intelligence kind of thinking.
[02:04]	Skywave	humans find patterns. i don't see magic in human brains and pattern recognition, any better than what algorithms could do at some point.
[02:05]	Skywave	just like i do not see any magic in procreation. it is DNA, and there can be artificial wombs, same-sex and multiple-partner offspring, sperm/eggs from skin cells.
[02:05]	Skywave	that will generate an enormous amount of chaos
[02:05]	Skywave	disrupt all kinds of traditional conceptions of reality.
[02:05]	MinceR	24 025424 < Skywave> the more intelligence you add to a monkey, the worse it chimps out.
[02:05]	MinceR	not so sure about that
[02:06]	MinceR	consider that bonobos do not "chimp out" nearly as much as chimpanzees do
[02:06]	Skywave	yes, increasing intelligence is actually correlated with more nuanced morality.
[02:06]	Skywave	the point is taken from Vernor Vinge among others.
[02:07]	Skywave	his idea is that human beings have a lot of previous animalistic templates that are pretty violent.
[02:07]	Skywave	so we have nuclear weapons.
[02:07]	Skywave	that is chimping out on the planetary scale.
[02:07]	Skywave	it is possible that the genetic modification of an entirely new species would be more favorable to AGI interfacing.
[02:08]	Skywave	the humans that would maintain these machines would all be fit for a mental asylum in our days.
[02:08]	Skywave	and vice-versa.
[02:08]	Skywave	Eloi/Morlok basically.
[02:08]	Skywave	i think we're going to see several speciation-level events.
[02:08]	Skywave	Human 2.0.
[02:08]	Skywave	iHuman vs GNU+Human.
[02:08]	Skywave	DIY CRISPR et.al.
[02:09]	Skywave	'It is easier to denature plutonium than it is to denature the evil spirit of man.'
[02:09]	Skywave	xD
[02:09]	Skywave	i think Einstein would've been pro-AGI just fine.
[02:10]	Skywave	maybe not a posthumanist, but probably sympathetic to transhumanism and narrow AI at the very least.
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[05:19]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, April 23, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
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[05:26]	TR News	"universe sent you here so I can help you. Youre welcome" https://danielmiessler.com/blog/removing-m-characters/ | Source: Daniel Miessler
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[05:26]	TR Bot	 Removing ^M Characters - Daniel Miessler
[05:27]	TR News	"Recently, I started doing a while bunch of new models in SketchUp, and I always try to only use my own components," https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/sketchup-helix.html | Source: Dedoimedo
[05:27]	TR Bot	 How to create a coil spring (helix) in SketchUp
[05:30]	TR News	"The videos are published on Peertube, but you are free to reupload them on YouTube if you want to, the licence permits it." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-04-23-openbsd-video-tutorial-installation.html | Source: Data Swamp
[05:30]	TR Bot	 Solene'% : Video guide to install OpenBSD 7.1 with the GNOME desktop
[05:30]	TR News	"When reaching a website, most web browsers will send a header (some metadata about the requestion) informing the web server that you supported compressed..." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-04-22-openbsd-httpd-gzip.html | Source: Data Swamp
[05:30]	TR Bot	 Solene'% : Reduce httpd web server bandwidth usage by serving compressed files
[05:31]	TR News	"Ubuntu, the one-time-king of Linux distributions, is facing a massive decline in marketshare." https://lunduke.substack.com/p/ubuntu-facing-declining-marketshare | Source: Bryan Lunduke
[05:31]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: substack.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lunduke.substack.com/p/ubuntu-facing-declining-marketshare https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://lunduke.substack.com/p/ubuntu-facing-declining-marketshare
[05:31]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu, facing declining marketshare, doubles down on most hated feature
[05:32]	TR News	"Spy home company Insteon has shut off its servers, lost its management team" https://staceyoniot.com/the-end-of-insteon-and-why-the-smart-home-keeps-faltering/ |
[05:32]	TR Bot	 The end of Insteon and why the smart home keeps faltering - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
[05:34]	TR News	"In celebration of Earth Day, we thought it would be fun to highlight a handful of open-source projects that may inspire you" https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/04/22/celebrate-earth-day-with-these-arduino-projects/ | Source: Arduino
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[05:34]	TR Bot	 Celebrate Earth Day with these Arduino projects | Arduino Blog
[05:34]	TR News	"The T700 motherboard had a busy few months of testing and prototyping. The main problems right now are the BIOS and the embedded controller (EC)," https://www.xyte.ch/2022/04/23/t700-part-2-minor-progress-update/ | Source: XueYao
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[05:34]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.xyte.ch/2022/04/23/t700-part-2-minor-progress-update/ )
[05:34]	TR News	OpenPOWER https://www.talospace.com/2022/04/tonights-game-on-openpower-death-rally.html | Source: Talospace
[05:34]	TR Bot	 Tonight's game on OpenPOWER: Death Rally
[05:56]	TR News	Qualcomm and MediaTek https://www.phonearena.com/news/security-vulnerabilities-on-qualcomm-mediatek-chips-are-patched_id139799 | Source: Phone Arena
[05:56]	TR Bot	of Android phones were at risk for a remote attack until late last year - PhoneArena
[05:56]	TR News	"Qualcomm and MediaTek, two of the largest vendors of mobile chips for Android smartphones" https://oicanadian.com/flaw-in-the-open-source-version-of-apples-alac-format-millions-of-android-smartphones-at-risk/ | Source: OI Canadian
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[05:56]	TR Bot	 Flaw in the open-source version of Apples ALAC format: millions of Android smartphones at risk - OI Canadian
[05:57]	TR News	"So Im not providing the entire spec I wrote, because that would be too confusing for the reader. But itll still be more interesting" https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/update-on-learntla-and-a-new-writing-process/ | Source: Buttondown
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[05:57]	TR Bot	 Update on Learntla and a new writing process Buttondown
[05:57]	TR News	"Soon enough, programmers realized that they needed to not only to store files, but also to keep track of the different versions of a given file" https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/21/an-overview-of-version-control-in-programming/ | Source: Daniel Lemire
[05:57]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: lemire.me | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/21/an-overview-of-version-control-in-programming/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/21/an-overview-of-version-control-in-programming/
[05:57]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://lemire.me/blog/2022/04/21/an-overview-of-version-control-in-programming/ )
[05:57]	TR News	"At one point a few years into my GTD journey, I actually managed to do it all, to reach zero, and nothing happened." https://idiomdrottning.org/postponing | Source: Idiomdrottning
[05:57]	TR Bot	 Postponing things is good
[05:58]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D569.jpg
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[05:59]	TR News	Reframing thinking (ADHD) gemini://gemini.panda-roux.dev/log/entry/55
[05:59]	TR News	Windows Cannot Error gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/error01.gmi
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[06:00]	TR News	"Instead of looking up how to spell a word, I always look up the Etymology. I don't know Latin or Greek, or any other languages, but a lot of the time, I'll find a link to some other English word, which the spelling make sense." gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/spelling_history.gmi
[06:01]	TR News	First Year on SDF gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/stug/phlog/20220423.txt
[06:02]	TR News	An end-to-end test on a SpringBoot app gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-04-24_An_end_to_end_test_on_a_SpringBoot_app.gmi
[06:03]	TR News	"I think the only reason people hate work from office is because they hate work. spending 8 hours+ a day alone in front of a computer is objectively bad and unhealthy I think." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
[06:03]	TR News	EPO and Belarus: Why It Matters | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/epo-and-belarus/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/24/epo-and-belarus/
[06:03]	TR Bot	 EPO and Belarus: Why It Matters | Techrights
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[06:30]	psydruid	> [notice] lunduke.substack.com | Ubuntu, facing declining marketshare, doubles down on most hated feature
[06:30]	psydruid	Ubuntu is the new bug number 1
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[07:12]	TR News	"Ubuntu 22.04 LTS has just been released and is on our minds, because we have a lot of Ubuntu 18.04 machines to upgrade to 22.04 in the next year." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/python/Ubuntu2204PythonState | Source: uni Toronto
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[07:12]	TR Bot	 Chris's Wiki :: blog/python/Ubuntu2204PythonState
[07:13]	TR News	"Although some see the shell as primitive, this manner of interacting with a computer is extremely flexible and expressive." https://klarasystems.com/articles/interacting-with-freebsd-learning-the-fundamentals-of-the-freebsd-shell-2/ | Source: Klara
[07:13]	TR Bot	 Interacting with FreeBSD Learning the Fundamentals of the FreeBSD Shell | Klara Inc.
[07:13]	TR News	"The sense of relief in the AT&T CEOs voice came in crystal clear even through the tinny webcast audio" https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/warner-bros-discovery-att-john-stankey-streaming-1235239476/ | Source: Variety
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[07:13]	TR Bot	AT&T May Become a Winner in the Streaming Wars - Variety
[07:15]	TR News	"Docker sits proudly atop its niche, with an estimated 83 percent of the container software market." https://earthly.dev/blog/docker-alternatives/ | Source: Earthly
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[07:15]	TR Bot	 Exploring Docker Alternatives - Earthly Blog
[07:15]	TR News	"price for this model in this configuration is 3,500 US dollars, and those who pay extra, up to $ 4,099, receive extras and premium technical support" https://www.royalsblue.com/razer-has-announced-tensorbook-a-linux-laptop-for-ai-development-and-research/ |
[07:15]	TR Bot	 Razer has announced Tensorbook, a Linux laptop for AI development and research - Royals Blue
[07:16]	TR News	"A 3D printer that uses lasers to build up an object in any order, rather than layer by layer, could produce more advanced designs" https://www.newscientist.com/article/2316746-laser-based-3d-printer-can-produce-complex-objects-in-any-order/ | Source: New Scientist
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[07:16]	TR Bot	 3D printing: Laser-based technique produces complex objects in any order | New Scientist
[07:16]	TR News	"My favorite internet service provider, init7, is rolling out faster speeds with their infrastructure upgrade." https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2022-04-23-fiber7-25gbit-upgrade/ | Source: Michael Stapelberg
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[07:16]	TR Bot	 My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home - Michael Stapelberg
[07:30]	TR News	Windows TCO https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/overnights/3460440-hillicon-valley-ukraine-postal-service-hit-with-cyberattack/ | Source: The Hill
[07:30]	TR Bot	 Hillicon Valley Ukraine postal service hit with cyberattack | The Hill
[07:30]	TR News	"Ihor Smilianskyi, Ukrposhta's director general, issued an apology to customers for what he said was a DDoS" https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraines-postal-service-hit-by-cyberattack-after-sales-warship-stamp-go-online-2022-04-22/ | Source: Reuters
[07:30]	TR Bot	postal service hit by cyberattack after sales of warship stamp go online | Reuters
[07:30]	TR News	Windows TCO https://gigaom.com/2022/04/19/ransomware-why-its-time-to-think-of-it-as-a-data-management-problem/ |
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[07:30]	TR Bot	Why Its Time to Think of it as a Data Management Problem - GigaOm
[07:35]	TR News	"So, to recap, in an effort to take a slide show that had been plainly visible in the front of the classroom" https://quillette.com/2022/04/22/hidden-in-plain-sight-why-we-should-stop-putting-tech-before-teaching/ | Source: Quillette
[07:35]	TR Bot	 Hidden in Plain Sight: Putting Tech Before Teaching
[07:35]	TR News	"In my opinion, the way we deal with (non-free) firmware in Debian is a mess," https://blog.einval.com/2022/04/19#firmware-what-do-we-do |
[07:35]	TR Bot	 Steve's blog
[07:35]	TR News	"The question: will users care?" https://matt-rickard.com/permissionless-reckoning/ | Source: Matt Rickard
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[07:35]	TR Bot	 Permissionless Reckoning
[07:36]	TR News	"Im working on merging the X230 FHD patch (finally) into coreboot master. More info can be found on my X230 BIOS repo." https://www.xyte.ch/2022/04/23/x2100-x330-and-future-projects/ | Source: XueYao
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[07:36]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.xyte.ch/2022/04/23/x2100-x330-and-future-projects/ )
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[08:25]	TR News	"Interesting implementation mistake: [...]" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/04/java-cryptography-implementation-mistake-allows-digital-signature-forgeries.html | Source: Bruce Schneier
[08:25]	TR Bot	Cryptography Implementation Mistake Allows Digital-Signature Forgeries - Schneier on Security
[08:25]	TR News	"were focusing on the bugs in Oracles Java product" https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/04/20/critical-cryptographic-java-security-blunder-patched-update-now/ | Source: Naked Security
[08:25]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: sophos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/04/20/critical-cryptographic-java-security-blunder-patched-update-now/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2022/04/20/critical-cryptographic-java-security-blunder-patched-update-now/
[08:25]	TR Bot	 Critical cryptographic Java security blunder patched update now! Naked Security
[08:28]	TR News	"The French Presidency of the Council is seeking EU-wide comparisons of every DNA profile held by police forces" https://www.statewatch.org/news/2022/april/eu-policing-france-proposes-massive-eu-wide-dna-sweep-automated-exchange-of-facial-images/ | Source: State Watch
[08:28]	TR Bot	 Statewatch | EU: Policing: France proposes massive EU-wide DNA sweep, automated exchange of facial images
[08:30]	TR News	Octopus 1.3.0 Is Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164073 | Source: SequoiaPGP
[08:30]	TR Bot	 Octopus 1.3.0 is Released | Tux Machines
[08:34]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164072
[08:34]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[08:38]	TR News	"figured out the reason I have been out of it even though covid is "over" is that during covid I became extremely inward-focused, developing ideas and projects in isolation, working on my career, etc. I became less interested in other people because I was so focused on myself" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi
[08:40]	TR News	Scared of programming gemini://akselmo.dev/posts/blog-2022-04-24-Scared-of-programming.gmi
[08:41]	TR News	"Here's someone from Europe who was interested in reading a story about a person in a small US (United States) town [3] and yet, they couldn't because the owners of the news website (which isn't owned locally, but instead by a larger company in another state [4]) probably doesn't care about European readers." gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/04/23.2
[08:44]	TR News	"He explained that Muslims dont want to terrorize people but convert them to Islam." https://www.jns.org/islamic-scholar-in-gaza-goal-of-jihad-make-people-convert-to-islam/ | Source: JNS
[08:44]	TR Bot	 Islamic scholar in Gaza: Goal of jihad? Make people convert to Islam
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[08:57]	TR News	"Users who receive [cryptocurrency] payments can hold their earnings in [cryptocurrency] wallets on the Polygon network" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/social-media/twitter-stripe-pilot-cryptocurrency-payments-for-creators/91019957 | Source: India Times
[08:57]	TR Bot	 Twitter Cryptocurrency: Twitter, Stripe pilot cryptocurrency payments for creators, CIO News, ET CIO
[08:57]	TR News	"But it is precisely the latter, Bitcoins hunger for energy, that is becoming a global problem." https://netzpolitik.org/2022/climate-measures-behind-closed-doors-eu-officials-talk-about-banning-bitcoin/ | Source: Netzpolitik
[08:57]	TR Bot	 Climate measures: Behind closed doors, EU officials talk about banning Bitcoin
[08:58]	TR News	Octopus 1.3.0 is Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164073
[08:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 98.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 251.33
[08:59]	TR News	"The Digital Services Act, one half of an overhaul for the 27-nation blocs digital rulebook, helps cement Europes reputation" https://thehill.com/policy/3460785-eu-law-targets-big-tech-over-hate-speech-disinformation/ | The Hill should not say "Big Tech"; it helps Microsoft criminals by doing so
[08:59]	TR Bot	 EU law targets Big Tech over hate speech, disinformation | The Hill
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[09:00]	TR News	"The EU has agreed on another ambitious piece of legislation to police the online world" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/23/23036976/eu-digital-services-act-finalized-algorithms-targeted-advertising | Source: The Verge
[09:00]	TR Bot	 Google, Meta, and others will have to explain their algorithms under new EU legislation - The Verge
[09:01]	TR News	"Greene was confronted with several of her social media posts on the issue while on the stan" https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/marjorie-taylor-greene-testimony-jan-6-protests-1341795/ | Source: Rolling Stone
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[09:01]	TR Bot	 Marjorie Taylor Greene Testimony Is Full of Denials and Deflections - Rolling Stone
[09:01]	TR News	Social control media https://www.salon.com/2022/04/22/marjorie-taylor-greene-denies-calling-for-pelosis-execution-during-trial-then-backtracks/ | Source: Salon
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[09:01]	TR Bot	Taylor Greene denies calling for Pelosi's execution during trial, then backtracks | Salon.com
[09:08]	TR News	Spotify -- like Netfix -- is DRM bubble/pipe dream https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/joe-rogan-spotify-subscribers-1235134232/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
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[09:08]	TR Bot	 Joe Rogan Claims Massive Subscriber Boost Due to Recent Controversy The Hollywood Reporter
[09:09]	TR News	Eliot Higgins https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/pro-russia-social-media-accounts-fake-zelensky-cocaine-video-1342178/ | Source: Rolling Stone
[09:09]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: rollingstone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/pro-russia-social-media-accounts-fake-zelensky-cocaine-video-1342178/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/pro-russia-social-media-accounts-fake-zelensky-cocaine-video-1342178/
[09:09]	TR Bot	 Pro-Russia Accounts Spread Obviously Fake Zelensky Cocaine Video - Rolling Stone
[09:09]	TR News	"While some of its fact-checks are genuine, it includes false information" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-61176372 | Source: BBC
[09:09]	TR Bot	 Ukraine war: How a school survivor became a target of Russian disinformation - BBC News
[09:10]	TR News	Social control media = disinformation boom https://www.axios.com/barack-obama-disinformation-social-media-f940933f-993d-489b-a476-f7885a13c871.html | Source: Axios
[09:10]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: axios.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/barack-obama-disinformation-social-media-f940933f-993d-489b-a476-f7885a13c871.html https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.axios.com/barack-obama-disinformation-social-media-f940933f-993d-489b-a476-f7885a13c871.html
[09:10]	TR Bot	 Obama: Disinformation is killing people
[09:11]	TR News	Social control media should just stop existing. No beneficial contribution to society. https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/twitter-bans-ads-contradict-science-climate-change-84260252 | Source: ABC
[09:11]	TR Bot	 Twitter bans ads that contradict science on climate change - ABC News
[09:11]	TR News	"We believe that climate denialism shouldnt be monetized on Twitter" https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037677/twitter-bans-climate-change-misinformation-ads | Source: The Verge
[09:11]	TR Bot	 Twitter bans misleading ads about climate change - The Verge
[09:11]	TR News	"The premise that disinformation is among the biggest threats to democracy" https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/anti-disinformation-laws-social-media/629612/ | Source: The Atlantic
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[09:11]	TR Bot	 How 'Big Disinformation' Can Overcome Its Skeptics - The Atlantic
[09:12]	TR News	CORRECT: "The very design of these platforms seems to be tilting us in the wrong direction" https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/obama-slams-misinformation-on-social-media-people-are-dying/ | Source: CNET
[09:12]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/obama-slams-misinformation-on-social-media-people-are-dying/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/obama-slams-misinformation-on-social-media-people-are-dying/
[09:12]	TR Bot	Slams Misinformation on Social Media: 'People Are Dying' - CNET
[09:14]	TR News	Censorship https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/eu-digital-services-act-industry-and-government-interests-prevail-over-citizens-digital-rights/ | Source: Patrick Breyer
[09:14]	TR Bot	 EU Digital Services Act: Industry and government interests prevail over citizens digital rights Patrick Breyer
[09:19]	TR News	"arrested in August 2021 along with freelance journalist" https://www.voanews.com/a/myanmar-indicts-voa-contributor-over-critical-analysis/6541299.html | Source: VOA News
[09:19]	TR Bot	 Myanmar Indicts VOA Contributor Over Critical Analysis
[09:19]	TR News	"Once upon a time, Canada had a thriving network of real community stations." https://breachmedia.ca/corporate-media-nearly-killed-community-tv-but-it-can-rise-again/ | Source: Breach Media
[09:19]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: breachmedia.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://breachmedia.ca/corporate-media-nearly-killed-community-tv-but-it-can-rise-again/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://breachmedia.ca/corporate-media-nearly-killed-community-tv-but-it-can-rise-again/
[09:19]	TR Bot	 Corporate media nearly killed community TV, but it can rise again The Breach
[09:20]	TR News	"2009: A big year for 3D printing. The FDM patent expires" https://www.thesoftwareguild.com/blog/the-history-and-future-of-3d-printing/ |
[09:20]	TR Bot	 The History and Future of 3D Printing | The Software Guild
[09:20]	TR News	"Additive manufacturing (AM, or 3D printing) began in earnest when stereolithography (SLA) was invented in Japan in the early 1980s." https://am.covestro.com/en_US/insights/blog/power-to-transform-automobile-production-and-maintenance.html |
[09:20]	TR Bot	 3D printing changes the automotive industry
[09:21]	TR News	"Building off foundational work by Hull and others in the late 1980s" https://www.csis.org/analysis/achieving-additive-manufacturing-breakthrough | Source: CSIS
[09:21]	TR Bot	 Achieving an Additive Manufacturing Breakthrough | Center for Strategic and International Studies
[09:22]	TR News	"MKV is a royalty-free open standard under GNU L-GPL license for personal use and also has free parsing and playback libraries under BSD license available for commercial companies." https://www.winxdvd.com/video-transcoder/mkv-vs-mp4.htm |
[09:22]	TR Bot	 MKV vs MP4 - Which Is a Better Video Format to Choose?
[09:24]	TR News	Trademarks versus repairs, sharing etc. https://www.extremetech.com/internet/334238-honda-goes-after-people-3d-printing-compatible-parts | Source: Extreme Tech
[09:24]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: extremetech.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.extremetech.com/internet/334238-honda-goes-after-people-3d-printing-compatible-parts https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.extremetech.com/internet/334238-honda-goes-after-people-3d-printing-compatible-parts
[09:24]	TR Bot	Goes After People 3D Printing Compatible Parts - ExtremeTech
[09:24]	TR News	"All models referencing the word Honda posted prior to 30th March 2022" https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/honda-issues-printables-with-takedown-notice-for-all-honda-related-3d-models-207886/ |
[09:24]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: 3dprintingindustry.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/honda-issues-printables-with-takedown-notice-for-all-honda-related-3d-models-207886/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://3dprintingindustry.com/news/honda-issues-printables-with-takedown-notice-for-all-honda-related-3d-models-207886/
[09:24]	TR Bot	 Honda issues Printables with takedown notice for all Honda-related 3D models - 3D Printing Industry
[09:24]	TR News	"I can confirm to you that we have received a letter from a lawyer" https://www.thedrive.com/news/honda-orders-big-takedown-of-honda-related-3d-printing-models-from-maker-communities | Source: The Drive
[09:24]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: thedrive.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thedrive.com/news/honda-orders-big-takedown-of-honda-related-3d-printing-models-from-maker-communities https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thedrive.com/news/honda-orders-big-takedown-of-honda-related-3d-printing-models-from-maker-communities
[09:24]	TR Bot	 Honda Orders Big Takedown of Honda-Related 3D Printing Models From Maker Communities
[09:25]	TR News	"a story first published by TheDrive" https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/honda-reportedly-had-3d-models-removed-from-printables-marketplace/ |
[09:25]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: 3dprintingmedia.network | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/honda-reportedly-had-3d-models-removed-from-printables-marketplace/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/honda-reportedly-had-3d-models-removed-from-printables-marketplace/
[09:25]	TR Bot	reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/honda-reportedly-had-3d-models-removed-from-printables-marketplace/ )
[09:25]	TR News	"This response, posted on the Prusa forums confirms the situation" https://makezine.com/2022/04/19/honda-lashes-out-at-3d-printers-requests-files-be-removed/ |
[09:25]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: makezine.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://makezine.com/2022/04/19/honda-lashes-out-at-3d-printers-requests-files-be-removed/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://makezine.com/2022/04/19/honda-lashes-out-at-3d-printers-requests-files-be-removed/
[09:25]	TR Bot	 Honda Lashes Out At 3D Printers, Requests Files Be Removed - Make:
[09:25]	TR News	"BREIN says it has reached cash settlement and abstention agreements" https://torrentfreak.com/iptv-usenet-and-comic-book-pirates-agree-to-pay-up-and-shut-down-220423/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[09:25]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/iptv-usenet-and-comic-book-pirates-agree-to-pay-up-and-shut-down-220423/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://torrentfreak.com/iptv-usenet-and-comic-book-pirates-agree-to-pay-up-and-shut-down-220423/
[09:25]	TR Bot	Usenet and Comic Book Pirates Agree To Pay Up and Shut Down * TorrentFreak
[09:31]	TR News	When I access manchestereveningnews (local news) I cannot proceed without consenting to data about me being sent to about 50 "partners" that spy on me from US, Germany, etc. JavaScript made the Web a toxic place. We need to compel companies to move away from it.
[09:52]	TR News	Sop buying stuff in the bill gates-connected coffee-sipping cult starbucks https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-ceo-pushed-managers-to-thwart-unionization-efforts-leaked-video-shows/ | Source: TruthOut
[09:52]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-ceo-pushed-managers-to-thwart-unionization-efforts-leaked-video-shows/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-ceo-pushed-managers-to-thwart-unionization-efforts-leaked-video-shows/
[09:52]	TR Bot	 Starbucks CEO Pushed Managers to Thwart Unionization Efforts, Leaked Video Shows
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[10:03]	TR News	Distraction from the proprietary voting machines being unfit for purpose (for decades already) https://truthout.org/articles/meadows-who-pushed-right-wing-myths-of-voter-fraud-registered-in-3-states/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:03]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/meadows-who-pushed-right-wing-myths-of-voter-fraud-registered-in-3-states/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/meadows-who-pushed-right-wing-myths-of-voter-fraud-registered-in-3-states/
[10:03]	TR Bot	 Meadows, Who Pushed Right-Wing Myths of Voter Fraud, Registered in 3 States
[10:03]	TR News	Another monopoly https://truthout.org/articles/company-responsible-for-tainted-baby-formula-has-monopoly-over-aid-program-sales/ | Source: TruthOut
[10:03]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/company-responsible-for-tainted-baby-formula-has-monopoly-over-aid-program-sales/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://truthout.org/articles/company-responsible-for-tainted-baby-formula-has-monopoly-over-aid-program-sales/
[10:03]	TR Bot	 Company Responsible for Tainted Baby Formula Has Monopoly Over Aid Program Sales
[10:04]	TR News	"In everyday life, the largest moving object most people are likely to encounter is probably a train." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/23/retrotechtacular-the-power-to-stop/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:04]	TR Bot	The Power To Stop | Hackaday
[10:04]	TR News	KDE Plasma 5.25 Plans for Dynamic Accent Colour Based on Wallpaper Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164074
[10:04]	TR Bot	 KDE Plasma 5.25 Plans for Dynamic Accent Colour Based on Wallpaper | Tux Machines
[10:05]	TR News	IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 23, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/irc-log-230422/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/24/irc-log-230422/
[10:05]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Saturday, April 23, 2022 | Techrights
[10:07]	TR News	HAL 9000 https://hackaday.com/2022/04/23/2022-sci-fi-contest-your-home-assistant-hal-9000/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:07]	TR Bot	Sci-Fi Contest: Your Home Assistant, HAL 9000 | Hackaday
[10:07]	TR News	"One may think that when it comes to 3D printing, slicing software is pretty much a solved problem." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/23/a-universal-non-planar-slicer-for-3d-printing-is-worth-thinking-about/ | Source: Hackaday
[10:07]	TR Bot	Universal, Non-planar Slicer For 3D Printing Is Worth Thinking About | Hackaday
[10:17]	TR News	iophk: twitter must be declining if this style of puff piece is happening https://www.pcworld.com/article/632753/3-reasons-for-normal-people-to-use-twitter.html
[10:17]	TR Bot	practical reasons to use Twitter | PCWorld
[10:18]	TR News	iophk: reuters.com articles tend to block firefox and are not viewable in that browser
[10:19]	TR News	Many falsehoods https://www.wionews.com/photos/timeline-the-saga-of-wikileaks-founder-julian-assanges-extradition-472474
[10:19]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: wionews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.wionews.com/photos/timeline-the-saga-of-wikileaks-founder-julian-assanges-extradition-472474 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.wionews.com/photos/timeline-the-saga-of-wikileaks-founder-julian-assanges-extradition-472474
[10:19]	TR Bot	 Timeline: The saga of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's extradition - World News
[10:21]	TR News	Assange / Wikileaks https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://femtejuli.se/2022/04/20/julian-assange-ett-steg-narmare-utlamning-till-usa/
[10:21]	TR Bot	 Julian Assange ytterligare ett steg nrmare utlmning till USA
[10:21]	TR News	Deleted tweets are shaking up the L.A. city controller race - Los Angeles Times https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-04-22/kenneth-mejia-biden-tweets-city-controller-race Source: latimes
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[10:21]	TR Bot	 Deleted tweets are shaking up the L.A. city controller race - Los Angeles Times
[10:22]	TR News	Amplified by social control media https://neritam.wordpress.com/2022/04/23/how-can-climate-activists-fight-misinformation/
[10:22]	TR Bot	 How Can Climate Activists Fight Misinformation? neritam
[10:24]	TR News	For dumb people https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.tagesstimme.com/2022/04/20/smart-citizen-wallet-bologna-fuehrt-pilotprojekt-fuer-sozialkredit-system-ein
[10:24]	TR Bot	( status 400 @ https://www-tagesstimme-com.translate.goog/2022/04/20/smart-citizen-wallet-bologna-fuehrt-pilotprojekt-fuer-sozialkredit-system-ein?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US )
[10:25]	TR News	The Illustrated QUIC Connection: Every Byte Explained https://quic.ulfheim.net/ Source: quic
[10:25]	TR Bot	 The Illustrated QUIC Connection: Every Byte Explained
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[11:09]	mib_49r3ae	St@duckgo.outlook.co.th
[11:09]	mib_49r3ae	St@duckgo.outlook.co.th
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[11:10]	mib_49r3ae	St@duckgo.outlook.co.th
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[11:12]	techrights_guest|12	St@duckgo.outlook.co.th
[11:12]	mib_49r3ae	St@duckgo.outlook.co.th
[11:12]	TR News	"Social [CONTROL] Media" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/23/eu-enacts-landmark-social-media-law-end-self-regulation-big-tech | Source: Common Dreams
[11:12]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/23/eu-enacts-landmark-social-media-law-end-self-regulation-big-tech https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/04/23/eu-enacts-landmark-social-media-law-end-self-regulation-big-tech
[11:12]	TR Bot	 EU Enacts Landmark Social Media Law to End Self-Regulation by Big Tech
[11:13]	techrights_guest|12	St@duckgo.outlook.co.th
[11:13]	mib_49r3ae	St@duckgo.outlook.co.th
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	?
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	outlook???
[11:13]	schestowitz-TR	DuckDuckGo is a Microsoft front
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	and yes, they use outlook
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	since years ago
[11:14]	chunky	all my homies HATE duckduckgo
[11:14]	schestowitz-TR	is th thailand?
[11:14]	chunky	yep
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR	2 days ago we went to tesco and saw a product called "chunky"
[11:15]	schestowitz-TR	I cannot recall what it is
[11:16]	chunky	wow nice
[11:16]	chunky	well if u remember please let me know
[11:16]	TR News	"People generate lots of waste heat. It makes sense that there is a desire to convert that heat into usable energy." https://hackaday.com/2022/04/23/high-temp-heat-engine-achieves-40-efficiency/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:16]	TR Bot	Temp Heat Engine Achieves 40% Efficiency | Hackaday
[11:16]	chunky	probably a terrible product 
[11:16]	chunky	(cuz cisco)
[11:16]	chunky	but still ;D
[11:16]	TR News	CNC https://hackaday.com/2022/04/23/omnibot-shows-off-over-a-decade-of-cnc-prowess/ | Source: Hackaday
[11:16]	TR Bot	Shows Off Over A Decade Of CNC Prowess | Hackaday
[11:16]	chunky	i want to report the techrights-news chatter for interrupting my chat flow constantly
[11:17]	schestowitz-TR	muting in irc is very easy
[11:17]	chunky	it is against my principles!!
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR	irc is very barebones, you can follow this network from the command line and customise it
[11:18]	schestowitz-TR	reporting accounts is also against our principles :-)
[11:19]		*schestowitz-TR checks what "chunky" tesco has
[11:19]	chunky	hehe
[11:20]	schestowitz	NOT this one: https://www.tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/290351048
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[11:20]	schestowitz	many things there say chuinky something
[11:20]	schestowitz	but this one if the brand name
[11:21]	chunky	yum
[11:21]	chunky	i have never visited a tesco.. barely lived..
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[11:24]	TechrightsBot-tr	Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
[11:27]	TR News	Microsoft proprietary software spam has been filed under "LINUX" by ZDNet. "Mary Jo Foley in Cloud"
[11:30]	TR News	"And again sauna culture is a part of the story." https://dt.iki.fi/reviews-books
[11:30]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: iki.fi | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dt.iki.fi/reviews-books https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://dt.iki.fi/reviews-books
[11:30]	TR Bot	Review Diary - Books and other Reading | dt.iki.fi
[11:31]	TR News	"These clickbaiting titles are so horrible, I couldnt stand mocking them! But at least mine speaks truth." https://vrurg.github.io/2022/04/23/Lock-Benchmarking
[11:31]	TR Bot	 He Tested Many Locks. See What Happened Then! - LFlat, The Home of Vrurg
[11:32]	TR News	1) DELETE Windows 2. Install REAL GNU/Linux. 3) Solved! https://www.thewindowsclub.com/fix-server-execution-failed-error-in-wsl
[11:32]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: thewindowsclub.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thewindowsclub.com/fix-server-execution-failed-error-in-wsl https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.thewindowsclub.com/fix-server-execution-failed-error-in-wsl
[11:32]	TR Bot	 Fix Server execution failed error in WSL
[11:47]	XRevan86	schestowitz: The private sector in Belarus' is not that influenced by the government, as far as I know. But I see how this is a Conflict of Interest.
[11:50]	XRevan86	https://lbry.tv/@techlore:3/i'm-leaving-duckduckgo,-and-here's-what:f Similiar path, except Startpage.com banned my IP long before the acquisition, and I am uneasy by the Brave brand, but not too much, there are worse things.
[11:50]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: lbry.tv | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://lbry.tv/@techlore:3/i'm-leaving-duckduckgo,-and-here's-what:f https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://lbry.tv/@techlore:3/i'm-leaving-duckduckgo,-and-here's-what:f
[11:50]	TR Bot	 I'm leaving DuckDuckGo, and here's what I picked...
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[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	Startpage is spyware
[13:06]		*afterfact (~c7f9e68f@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	owned by spying company
[13:06]	schestowitz-TR	so he leaves one spy for another. bravo~!
[13:07]	schestowitz-TR	the bribed "youtube influencers" pay off
[13:07]	XRevan86	https://nitter.eu/igorsushko/status/1518124361986699270#m Putin was in Moscow again.
[13:08]	TR Bot	 Igor Sushko (@igorsushko): "Someone captured Putin on video during the pre-recording of him in an emptied church protected by his body guards. This footage was then broadcast as "live" on Russian state propaganda TV, sprinkled into the actual footage of Easter services." | nitter
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[13:11]	afterfact	jello
[13:12]	TR News	"Sponsored", but for a change not pushing WINDOWS https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/04/24/starfive-releases-perf-tool-for-highest-performance-risc-v-ip-dubhe/
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[13:12]	TR Bot	 StarFive releases Perf tool for highest performance RISC-V IP Dubhe (Sponsored) - CNX Software
[13:13]	TR News	wpad needed. too https://openwrt.org/usteer?rev=1650799631&do=diff
[13:13]	TR Bot	 [OpenWrt Wiki] Setting up usteer and band-steering in OpenWrt
[13:13]	afterfact	do you use OpenWrt ?
[13:14]	XRevan86	afterfact: Yes.
[13:14]	TR News	"Writing system tests can be sometimes tricky because we want to assert a reality thats not yet rendered. Ad-hoc sleeping is something that can mostly address the problem, but its not the most elegant solution and should be avoided if possible." https://nts.strzibny.name/avoid-sleep-rails-system-tests/
[13:14]	TR Bot	 How to avoid sleep in Rails system tests
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[13:15]	afterfact	why you did that?
[13:15]	TR News	"Medevel Editor's pick" has become webspam or SEO spam. Medevel will go down the drain if it becomes a spamfarm like this... :( https://medevel.com/what-is-hospice-care-and-how-its-useful/
[13:15]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/what-is-hospice-care-and-how-its-useful/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://medevel.com/what-is-hospice-care-and-how-its-useful/
[13:15]	TR Bot	 What Is Hospice Care And How It's Useful
[13:16]	XRevan86	afterfact: To have decent software on my router.
[13:16]	afterfact	i meant disconnect me
[13:16]	XRevan86	"Quit: Connection closed"
[13:16]	afterfact	sometimes theres captchas
[13:17]	afterfact	i didnt do anything here
[13:17]	afterfact	you think they are spying me?
[13:18]	afterfact	the kiwis are spying on me
[13:19]	afterfact	my router dont seem to like openwrt
[13:19]	TR News	This Week in Linux 195: Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, Shuttleworth on Flatpaks, AlmaLinux, KDE and more Linux news! https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-195/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
[13:19]	TR Bot	Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, Shuttleworth on Flatpaks, AlmaLinux, KDE and more Linux news! - This Week in Linux - TuxDigital
[13:19]	afterfact	it seems it only works on the expensive shit
[13:20]	afterfact	are you using it virtualized?
[13:21]	afterfact	https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-vyos-routeros-with-kvm/
[13:21]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: howtoforge.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-vyos-routeros-with-kvm/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-vyos-routeros-with-kvm/
[13:21]	TR Bot	 How to Install vyOS RouterOS with KVM
[13:21]	TR News	TrustZone :/ https://linuxgizmos.com/popcorn-computer-sips-integrate-sdram-and-allwinner-a33-a133-cpus/
[13:21]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/popcorn-computer-sips-integrate-sdram-and-allwinner-a33-a133-cpus/ https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://linuxgizmos.com/popcorn-computer-sips-integrate-sdram-and-allwinner-a33-a133-cpus/
[13:21]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/popcorn-computer-sips-integrate-sdram-and-allwinner-a33-a133-cpus/ )
[13:22]	afterfact	maybe i could install openwrt using this recipe?
[13:26]	TR News	Hardware Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164075
[13:26]	TR Bot	 Hardware Leftovers | Tux Machines
[13:26]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164076
[13:26]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[13:27]	TR News	wayland means more things break https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/osinfo-db/+bug/1969524
[13:27]	TR Bot	 Bug #1969524 Broken login on jammy VM using wayland, on a jammy... : Bugs : osinfo-db package : Ubuntu
[13:28]	TR News	[PATCH v2 0/7] perf/x86/amd/core: Add AMD PerfMonV2 support - Sandipan Das https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/cover.1650515382.git.sandipan.das@amd.com/ Source: amd
[13:28]	TR Bot	 [PATCH v2 0/7] perf/x86/amd/core: Add AMD PerfMonV2 support - Sandipan Das
[13:29]	TR News	FFmpeg is at https://git.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg.git ... why did Microbell link to Microsoft (criminals) mirror of that to show changes in FFmpeg? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FFmpeg-JPEG-XL-Lands
[13:29]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FFmpeg-JPEG-XL-Lands https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FFmpeg-JPEG-XL-Lands
[13:29]	TR Bot	Git - ffmpeg.git/summary
[13:29]	TR Bot	Lands JPEG-XL Support - Phoronix
[13:30]	TR News	More Trojan horses for software patents from Fraunhofer? https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/4/prweb18634752.htm
[13:30]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: prweb.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/4/prweb18634752.htm https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.prweb.com/releases/2022/4/prweb18634752.htm
[13:30]	TR Bot	 nablet Releases JPEG XS SDK to Create Workflows Based on Powerful New Video Standard
[13:38]	TR News	4 Best Free and Open Source Vulnerability Detection Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164077
[13:38]	TR Bot	 4 Best Free and Open Source Vulnerability Detection Tools | Tux Machines
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[13:43]	XRevan86	afterfact: Everything regarding OS' is on a per router basis.
[13:43]	XRevan86	And no, OpenWrt is not only for expensive shit.
[13:43]	TR News	Halifax: "We will refund our 9.50 fee where charged for payments sent to Ukraine. Please allow a few days for this to be paid back into your account." Banksters in UK: we will not rob you only if the country you send money to is being bombed.
[13:53]	afterfact	if only they put "OpenWrt ready on the box"
[13:58]	afterfact	why isnt ubuntu using docker instead of snaps?
[13:59]	afterfact	does techrights have a FB page?
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[14:00]	TR News	Banks are, in general, closing all the branches little by little, expecting the client to become the banker for no actual salary. Sooner or later banks will have no actual assets, only a big pile of loans and liabilities, with taxpayers forced to bail them out when it all comes crashing down. Unacceptable. No wonder many people resort to liquidating real money (fiat currency) into fakecoins.
[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	afterfact: what is a FB page FOR? :D
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[14:07]	schestowitz-TR	that's like telling a man with legs to buy shoes
[14:08]	afterfact	you got all this buttons on the page so i thought
[14:08]	schestowitz-TR	those are obsolete
[14:08]	afterfact	excuse me?
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	all those buttons don't need to be there
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	I used to be active in some sites if you allude to buttons next to my name
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	or maybe you mean bottom of posts
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	those too are quite obsolete
[14:09]	schestowitz-TR	but one script of mine relies on finding the bottom of posts bodies this way
[14:10]	afterfact	good excuse
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[14:13]	activelow	nice, netsurf-motif doesn't crash anymore...; was hitting a bug in image rendering with motif because framebuffer was set to 16bit depth
[14:14]	activelow	so, i switched back to truecolor; strangely now the colors within netsurf-motif are errornous, at least it doesn't crash
[14:16]	activelow	meaning... netsurf browser is back, and no more GTK2/3 required at all
[14:17]	activelow	motif doesn't look that bad, even without any theme applied, and the color-space issue can be fixed too
[14:19]	activelow	i am not over-estimating the importance of netsurf-motif, when considering this the last remaining "free software" graphical web browser
[14:22]	TR News	Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164078
[14:22]	TR Bot	 Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:22]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164079
[14:22]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:26]	TR News	Links 24/04/2022: Octopus 1.3.0 and Ukraine Harmed Some More by Windows | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/octopus-1-3-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/24/octopus-1-3-0/
[14:26]	TR Bot	 Links 24/04/2022: Octopus 1.3.0 and Ukraine Harmed Some More by Windows | Techrights
[14:28]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164080
[14:28]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:29]	TR News	This past month ZDNet reached (I think) all-time low. They're cutting down staff to 'skeletal' levels. In "Linux" section not even one article in 2 days. The site needs to just vanish completely. It's false, it's corrupt, it's malicious.
[14:31]	TR News	searx.feneas.org is now dead :/ I'm left without any search engine, only (at best) Wikileaks and Wikipedia search, which has its own issue
[14:32]	afterfact	netsurf browser?
[14:32]	TR News	Many people rightly ask, what did Amazon buy Alexa for (the spyware company, not the bug/listening devices with the same name)?
[14:33]	schestowitz-TR	afterfact: it's not too badf
[14:33]	schestowitz-TR	depends on what you need
[14:33]	afterfact	foes it work on tty?
[14:33]	TR News	Alexa: "End of Service Notice -- Twenty five years ago we founded Alexa Internet. After more than two decades of helping you find, reach, and convert your digital audience, we will be retiring Alexa.com on May 1, 2022. Thank you for making us your go-to resource for content research, competitive analysis, keyword" research, and so much more.
[14:35]	MinceR	maybe for the brand
[14:35]	TR News	If you go to https://www.alexa.com you will see that it has, in effect, ALREADY shut down. Not in May/next week. Another company which did nothing of value except spying, another financial bubble (like MOST companies). No business model, just data harvesting operation.
[14:35]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: alexa.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.alexa.com https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://www.alexa.com
[14:35]	TR Bot	- Login
[14:36]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: he bezos wanted the trademark, then there were better ways
[14:36]	schestowitz-TR	and it's likely cheaper to just choose another name
[14:36]	MinceR	but the other ways weren't aggressive and destructive enough
[14:36]	schestowitz-TR	I've long wonder what the heck paid Alexa.com anyway
[14:36]	MinceR	you know how it works with these people
[14:37]	schestowitz-TR	I hope Musking Tape buys Twitter
[14:37]	afterfact	he needed a tax deduction so
[14:37]	schestowitz-TR	and buries it to the ground
[14:37]	activelow	netsurf supports framebuffer, although i had no luck with this yet, and for framebuffer console other options exist
[14:37]	schestowitz-TR	and then puts the ashes in a pot
[14:37]	schestowitz-TR	and smokes it
[14:37]	schestowitz-TR	on SpotiRogan show
[14:37]	activelow	what i want is a graphical browser for X11, which doesn't need any QT4/5/GTK2/3
[14:37]	schestowitz-TR	"today we smoke some twitter"
[14:37]	activelow	and netsurf-motif does it
[14:37]	afterfact	why?
[14:37]	schestowitz-TR	like Andrew Lee did with Freenode
[14:37]	schestowitz-TR	[14:37] <afterfact> he needed a tax deduction so
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	there is this theory
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	about misuse of ch11
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	and similar
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	you buy a company
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	pass all the bad "assets" to it
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	and then dissolve debt
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	and this is what Microsoft does
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	asset passing
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	and then write-off
[14:38]	schestowitz-TR	Enron-type accounting as a friend puts it
[14:38]	activelow	afterfact: why netsurf-motif? because it is the last remaining RYF browser
[14:39]	afterfact	https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/04/23/0542242/how-us-billionaires-can-avoid-paying-income-taxes
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[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	In Norway, Microsoft may have done that with FAST
[14:39]	TR Bot	 How US Billionaires Can Avoid Paying Income Taxes - Slashdot
[14:39]	activelow	last remaining _graphical_/X11 RYF browser
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	activelow: graphical
[14:39]	schestowitz-TR	Alexa.com dying is another blow to the WWW
[14:40]	schestowitz-TR	it's 90s Web going down the drain
[14:40]	schestowitz-TR	so we are left with browsers as Adobe Flash, but with w3c backing the trash
[14:40]	schestowitz-TR	chromeOS takes it further and calls the browser an OS
[14:40]	afterfact	its seems they borrow money to to buy companies cause the intersts are alowar then taxes
[14:40]	schestowitz-TR	uses GNU and Linux just for utils and hardware drivers
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR	afterfact: that's another thing
[14:41]	afterfact	also they kill the competition
[14:41]	afterfact	so its a win win
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR	Elon Musking Tape wanted to do that
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR	like rich people buying sport clubs
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR	for tax reasons
[14:41]	schestowitz-TR	It's a great system... for the rich
[14:42]	schestowitz-TR	instead of paying tax you get to buy something
[14:42]	schestowitz-TR	and it is cheaper than it would be to pay your taxes
[14:42]	afterfact	anf you can even make a profit
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR	when you sell it
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR	buy just to sell
[14:43]	afterfact	depending if you win
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR	or dismantle
[14:43]	afterfact	just buying to dismantle is a big win
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR	but debt passing it another
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR	you buy something
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR	you pass the debt to it
[14:43]	afterfact	killing competition is priceless
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR	then let it die with the debt
[14:43]	schestowitz-TR	I forgot the term for it
[14:44]	schestowitz-TR	debt loading, IIRC
[14:44]	schestowitz-TR	you load up the "asset" with your debt
[14:44]	schestowitz-TR	and then bury the whole thing
[14:44]	afterfact	under the rug
[14:45]	Techrights-sec	that could be a primary intended side advantage of buying twitter; the
[14:45]	Techrights-sec	obvious main goal would be to use it as megaphone for hype
[14:46]	Techrights-sec	, marketing,
[14:46]	Techrights-sec	and various pump-and-dump schemes
[14:47]	afterfact	i bet they measure up all the nagles
[14:47]	afterfact	angles
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[14:48]	schestowitz-TR	parts of the www are already devoted purely to it
[14:48]	schestowitz-TR	this is some of the trash I must go through every weekend
[14:48]	schestowitz-TR	and I realised how much I hate going through spam from law firms, too
[14:48]	schestowitz-TR	and I'd consider stopping that alrtogether and use the time to do
[14:48]	schestowitz-TR	something other than correcting them
[14:48]	schestowitz-TR	when searchiung for "free sofwtare" I get tons of results about fakjecoins
[14:48]	schestowitz-TR	the www is their "recruitment" platform 
[14:48]	schestowitz-TR	to suck in REAL money for the scheme
[14:51]	MinceR	24 153700 < schestowitz-TR> I hope Musking Tape buys Twitter
[14:51]	MinceR	finally, a way to monetize twatter :>
[14:52]	schestowitz-TR	not really
[14:52]	schestowitz-TR	they had it before
[14:52]	schestowitz-TR	just not the company
[14:52]	schestowitz-TR	the shareholders pushed agenda
[14:53]	schestowitz-TR	lies, deceit, misinformation
[14:53]	schestowitz-TR	pushing fakecoins also
[14:53]	schestowitz-TR	lots of NTF astroturfers there
[14:54]	TR News	It looks to me like people using any netcraft extension became so few that their traffic ranks are rather meaningless at this point
[14:55]	TR News	Personal thoughts about the ongoing series regarding the EPOs relationship with Belarus http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/epo-and-belarus/
[14:55]	TR Bot	 EPO and Belarus: Why It Matters | Techrights
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[14:59]	TR News	Spamnil now has quite a few videos with fewer videos than days and some are - gasp - less than half the number of views than days, e.g. one month since publication, less than 15 views. LF bet its farm on a person who repels people.
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[15:08]	MinceR	(cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/knuO3s3.mp4
[15:08]		-AltLink_97e/#techrights- CloudFlare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/knuO3s3.mp4 https://timetravel.mementoweb.org/memento/202204/https://i.imgur.com/knuO3s3.mp4
[15:09]	TR News	No, stop buying things. Also, with film cameras you can get to keep your memories/photos for up to 100 years if not longer...
[15:13]	MinceR	how will you use your film camera without buying film?
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	MinceR: I did not read the PR
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	but it sounded BS on the surface
[15:17]	schestowitz-TR	maybe greenwashing
[15:29]	TR News	FOSS Patents: Despite Sprint settlement in Texas, Deutsche Telekom is pursuing farcical 'antitrust' case against patent troll IPCom in Mannheim http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/despite-sprint-settlement-in-texas.html Source: fosspatents
[15:29]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: Despite Sprint settlement in Texas, Deutsche Telekom is pursuing farcical 'antitrust' case against IPCom in Mannheim
[15:30]	TR News	FOSS Patents: Another patent lawsuit against Ford discovered -- and a great automotive IP conference taking place in Frankfurt next week http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/another-patent-lawsuit-against-ford.html Source: fosspatents
[15:30]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: Another patent lawsuit against Ford discovered -- and a great automotive IP conference taking place in Frankfurt next week
[15:32]	TR News	What is the difference between Usenet and social control media? gemini://szczezuja.space/gemlog/2022-04-24-What-is-the-difference-between-usenet-and-social-media.gmi
[15:34]	TR News	"There is this popular CSS framework that I wanna complain about (not attack or contact them, of course, just kvetch about it here) but I simultaneously feel like I dont wanna, because they dont break any web standards and there are no accessibility issues (unlike SPA frameworks)." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/you-can-tell-i-really-really-wanna-complain-about-it-but-im-not-gonna
[15:37]	TR News	This has nothing to do with community; it's misuse of the term http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2022/04/cjeu-law-of-member-state-where.html
[15:37]	TR Bot	 CJEU: law of Member State where Community design infringement took place determines applicable law to supplementary claims as well - The IPKat
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[15:59]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19011850
[15:59]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/9xp9uo5t7u921.jpg created on 2019-01-18 18:12:08.822483
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[16:06]	TR News	FOSS Patents: Great news for standard-essential patent holders: Munich court looking to streamline multi-patent SEP disputes through unified FRAND hearing in 'lead case' and sequencing of trials http://www.fosspatents.com/2022/04/great-news-for-standard-essential.html Source: fosspatents
[16:06]	TR Bot	 FOSS Patents: Great news for standard-essential patent holders: Munich court looking to streamline multi-patent SEP disputes through unified FRAND hearing in 'lead case' and sequencing of trials
[16:07]	TR News	Fintiv: More Work, Less Quality - Patent Progress https://www.patentprogress.org/2022/04/22/fintiv-more-work-less-quality/ Source: patentprogress
[16:07]	TR Bot	 Fintiv: More Work, Less Quality - Patent Progress
[16:07]	TR News	Software Patents thrown in the bin again https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/7/aeritas-patent-successfully-challenged
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[16:07]	TR Bot	 Aeritas patent successfully challenged Unified Patents
[16:08]	TR News	Monopolies protection instead of PTAB crowdfunding? https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/11/unified-brands-and-rowan-tels-change-the-game-for-counterfeiters
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[16:08]	TR Bot	 Unified Brands and Rowan TELS Change the Game for Counterfeiters Unified Patents
[16:09]	TR News	Profiting from racism, turning it into monopolies (some people have no shame) http://thettablog.blogspot.com/2022/04/everyone-vs-racism-fails-to-function-as.html
[16:09]	TR Bot	 The TTABlog: "EVERYBODY VS RACISM" Fails to Function as a Source Indicator for Bags, Clothing, and Public Interest Services, Says TTAB
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[16:16]	TR News	It is very ethical to make money by squashing fake patent monopolies https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2022/4/19/2000-awarded-for-forrester-295-prior-art
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[16:16]	TR Bot	 $2,000 awarded for Forrester '295 prior art Unified Patents
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[16:42]	TR News	Regardless of What JUVE Used to be (or Do to Uncover EPO Abuses), It Has Become a Propaganda Arm for EPO Management and Team UPC | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/juve-pr-operations/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/24/juve-pr-operations/
[16:42]	TR Bot	 Regardless of What JUVE Used to be (or Do to Uncover EPO Abuses), It Has Become a Propaganda Arm for EPO Management and Team UPC | Techrights
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[16:50]	bnchs	flim camera: photos lasts more than 100 years, historians will dig it up
[16:50]	bnchs	digital camera with clown: the servers die, say goodbye to your photos
[16:51]	bnchs	the flash storage dies? also say goodbye
[16:53]	MinceR	you can backup digital photos
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[17:06]	bnchs	MinceR: yes
[17:06]	bnchs	you can do that
[17:07]	bnchs	but really, are historians gonna dig up your 200-year old possibly corrupted FAT32 filesystem?
[17:08]	MinceR	no, because there aren't going to be historians
[17:08]	MinceR	humans are going to wipe themselves out
[17:09]	MinceR	and aliens have seen our broadcasts so they're not interested in earth
[17:09]	MinceR	also, why would i keep my important photos on FAT32?
[17:19]	TR News	Unified Patent Court/UPC/Unitary Patent: Our Latest Fake News Watch (and Some Occasional Reminders That This is in Fact Faked, But Team UPC Does Not Care Whats Legal and Whats True) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/unitary-patent-fake-news/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/24/unitary-patent-fake-news/
[17:19]	TR Bot	 Unified Patent Court/UPC/Unitary Patent: Our Latest Fake News Watch (and Some Occasional Reminders That This is in Fact Faked, But Team UPC Does Not Care Whats Legal and Whats True) | Techrights
[17:22]	TR News	"My mother passed away at 58. Covid and her heart couldn't stay beating." gemini://thedaemons.space/gemlog/2022-02-20.gmi
[17:23]	bnchs	MinceR: i don't know why i said fat32
[17:23]	bnchs	it was an example of a widely supported filesystem
[17:23]	TR News	"I put some images up, currently I am reducing them all to much lower file sizes. Like 1.4MB to 110kb. I thought some people might appreciate it." gemini://thedaemons.space/gemlog/2021-12-31.gmi
[17:24]	bnchs	infowars filed for bankruptcy
[17:24]	bnchs	i remember alex jones interviewing richard stallman somewhere in early 2010's
[17:24]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8
[17:24]	TR Bot	https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8
[17:25]	bnchs	in infowars
[17:25]	TR Bot	timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8 )
[17:25]	schestowitz	if you can find it, make backups
[17:25]	MinceR	title >> Gay Frogs (Alex Jones REMIX)
[17:25]	schestowitz	I would not rehost it in Techrights
[17:25]	schestowitz	as that would associate us with a person who isn't worth it (Jones, not RMS)
[17:26]	schestowitz	nevertheless, someone should back up that interview somewhe3re
[17:26]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPs3EeRyL9Y
[17:26]	TR Bot	https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=FPs3EeRyL9Y
[17:26]	TR Bot	inv.riverside.rocks | Alex Jones DMT Remix - Invidious
[17:26]	schestowitz	I remember Jones telling some BS to RMS
[17:26]	schestowitz	and RMS is like, "well, I don't know about that.."
[17:26]	schestowitz	iirc, something about gun crime in London or England
[17:26]	schestowitz	that's the issue with hosting such videos
[17:26]	schestowitz	you get the BS thrown in there
[17:26]	schestowitz	as a "side disgh"
[17:27]	bnchs	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfwA0FhMwtg
[17:27]	TR Bot	https://youtube.076.ne.jp/watch?v=AfwA0FhMwtg
[17:27]	TR Bot	youtube.076.ne.jp | Richard Stallman part 1 of 3 - Invidious
[17:27]	bnchs	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02rAqBK12Bs
[17:27]	TR Bot	https://invidio.xamh.de/watch?v=02rAqBK12Bs
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[17:27]	bnchs	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVNRPU8wqkY
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[17:28]	bnchs	alex jones and richard stallman interview (3 parts though)
[17:28]	bnchs	you can download it
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[17:37]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/19011724
[17:37]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/6648tu71qta21.png created on 2019-01-17 11:33:24.929052
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[17:58]	bnchs__	lol his richard stallman interview ends with an ad for a pepper spray
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[18:09]	bnchs__	found a higher quality version
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[18:16]	DaemonFC	<bnchs__> lol his richard stallman interview ends with an ad for a pepper spray
[18:17]	DaemonFC	It's in case Mr. GAFAM shows up and feigns ignorance as to the meaning of no, stop, don't do that.
[18:17]	TR News	An openwrt refresh https://openwrt.org/start?rev=1650809042&do=diff
[18:17]	TR Bot	 [OpenWrt Wiki] Welcome to the OpenWrt Project
[18:19]	TR News	JUVE has become an aggressive disinformation platform bankrolled by large patent litigation firms; The German (or British) equivalent of Russian media operatives of Vladimir Putin; propaganda knows no boundaries anymore http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/juve-pr-operations/
[18:19]	TR Bot	 Regardless of What JUVE Used to be (or Do to Uncover EPO Abuses), It Has Become a Propaganda Arm for EPO Management and Team UPC | Techrights
[18:19]	bnchs	DaemonFC, not a youtube ad
[18:19]	bnchs	but an ad in his show
[18:19]	TR News	Debunking lies (and liars) without sending them any traffic is no easy task; we hope that the annotated screenshots help equip the general public with information as well as evidence of the lies; well do a video on this subject shortly http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/unitary-patent-fake-news/
[18:19]	TR Bot	 Unified Patent Court/UPC/Unitary Patent: Our Latest Fake News Watch (and Some Occasional Reminders That This is in Fact Faked, But Team UPC Does Not Care Whats Legal and Whats True) | Techrights
[18:20]	DaemonFC	Yeah, they do that now because of the demonetization of YouTube channels so Google can grow fat on a mountain of skulls.
[18:20]	DaemonFC	You give them "content" they beat you up and steal your lunch money.
[18:21]	DaemonFC	So now you need an ad blocker and SponsorBlock to make it through the videos.
[18:21]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, ^
[18:21]	bnchs	i mean this is a video from 2009
[18:21]	bnchs	way before demonetization was a thing
[18:23]	bnchs	there's also another alex jones interview on richard stallman made in 2012
[18:26]	TR News	NuTyX 22.04.6 available with cards 2.5.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164081
[18:26]	TR Bot	 NuTyX 22.04.6 available with cards 2.5.0 | Tux Machines
[18:35]	TR News	SSH Is Magic, But Tunnels Are Even Better Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164082
[18:35]	TR Bot	 SSH Is Magic, But Tunnels Are Even Better | Tux Machines
[18:35]	TR News	Destination Linux 273: Our Takes on the Hottest Linux News of 2022 https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/destination-linux/dl-273/
[18:35]	TR Bot	Our Takes on the Hottest Linux News of 2022 - Destination Linux - TuxDigital
[18:37]	TR News	mintCast: "In security, PolicyKit vulnerability lies dormant for a decade, GNU coreutils are being rewritten in Rust, Ubuntu improves low memory handling andSurfshark VPN jumps the shark." https://mintcast.org/2022/04/24/380-leo-makes-an-appearance/
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[18:37]	TR Bot	 380 Leo makes an appearance mintCast
[18:38]	bnchs	so i found 3 rms interviews (2009, january 2012 (audio-only), september 2012)
[18:39]	TR News	Linux Out Loud : "Welcome to episode 09 of Linux Out Loud. We fired up our mics, connected those headphones as we searched the community for themes to expound upon. We kept the banter friendly, the conversation somewhat on topic, and had fun doing it." https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/9-open-source-crazy-sauce/
[18:39]	TR Bot	Open Source Crazy Sauce - Linux Out Loud - TuxDigital
[18:39]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164083
[18:39]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[18:41]	TR News	Linux Out Loud 10: Application Rundown - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/lol-10/ Source: TuxDigital | GNU | Linux
[18:41]	TR Bot	Application Rundown - Linux Out Loud - TuxDigital
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[19:22]	DaemonFC	I had to give up and install ungoogled chromium to manage my credit report.
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[19:22]	DaemonFC	It kept locking me out for using Firefox.
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[19:46]	activelow	sigh
[19:46]	activelow	there is more work remaining with netsurf-motif than expected
[19:46]	bnchs	DaemonFC, the web is starting to be closed
[19:47]	bnchs	chromium is a monopoly on the web
[19:47]	activelow	i had another idea meanwhile, concerning web surfing, which is sixel support for any of the terminal browsers and ditching any non-unix style www surfing entirely
[19:48]	DaemonFC	They really lean on you to come back im Chrome now.
[19:48]	DaemonFC	So I got ungoogled Chromium out of Flathub.
[19:48]	activelow	DaemonFC: never again
[19:48]	bnchs	gulag is the new microsoft of the web
[19:48]	bnchs	and they did it successfully this time
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[19:49]	DaemonFC	It's a backup browser for stubborn websites.
[19:49]	activelow	and i think you couldn't grasp the reasoning, why any of the chromium/webkit/mozilla software are unacceptable
[19:50]	activelow	i don't have at least an acceptable widget toolkit with those, regardless of the many other issues of them
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[19:51]	activelow	the type of "www" which chromium/webkit/mozilla target, however to name this, it is unacceptable software quality
[19:51]	bnchs	they should burn gulag at the stake
[19:51]	bnchs	and cloudflare
[19:51]	bnchs	they turned www into a monopoly of their engine and their MITM
[19:52]	activelow	i could use help with netsurf-motif porting; so far, it does not crash anymore and got all features which were presented on SGI IRIX with it
[19:52]	bnchs	yes
[19:53]	bnchs	netsurf-motif was done for the SGI IRIX
[19:53]	activelow	one bug introduced, with the non-OpenGL codepath, which is a flawed colormap, meaning the colors do not match the expected visual output
[19:53]	bnchs	that was what i was saying yesterday
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[19:53]	activelow	the developer already implemented the non-opengl codepath, and the only bug i see there is the colormapping problem
[19:54]	activelow	besides, other issues, such as missing copy-paste, right-click context menu, which are crucial
[19:54]	activelow	the missing copy-paste and missing right-click context menu affect the SGI IRIX variant too
[19:55]	activelow	anyway; i wrapped this into a clean gentoo ebuild together with a clean patchset
[19:56]	activelow	i'll put this on hold for now, got other TODOs remaining
[19:57]	activelow	which is, sixel graphics support, and i could envision a workflow without any graphical browser, to read wikipedia, and render illustrations as sixel
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[19:58]	activelow	and i am not sure, if any QT/GTK/motif style application and desktop environment are suitable for what i really wanted to do: scientific study, reading, authoring
● Apr 24
[20:00]	activelow	anyone knows of ordinay linux framebuffer console supported sixel graphics?
[20:00]	activelow	*anyone knows if ordinay linux framebuffer console supported sixel graphics?
[20:01]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164084
[20:01]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:01]	TR News	Linux Mint Upgrade Tool - Heres How it Works Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164085
[20:01]	TR Bot	 Linux Mint Upgrade Tool - Here's How it Works | Tux Machines
[20:02]	bnchs	wtf is sixel
[20:02]	activelow	*anyone knows if ordinary linux framebuffer console supported sixel graphics?
[20:02]	bnchs	whats sixel
[20:03]	activelow	it is a bitmap graphics format suitable for DEC terminal type
[20:03]	bnchs	oh
[20:04]	activelow	it is 50years old, didn't know it existed until few days ago, when i was in need for a X11 terminal emulator, written in C, with unicode support... 
[20:05]	activelow	then i found it: suckless.org simple terminal
[20:05]	bnchs	let me guess
[20:05]	bnchs	xterm's VT320 emulation
[20:05]	bnchs	340*
[20:05]	activelow	don't know, if xterm vt340 got sixel support
[20:05]	activelow	anyway, i would be curious if linux framebuffer console got it
[20:06]	bnchs	it did
[20:06]	activelow	and suckless simple terminal is known to support it with some patch
[20:06]	bnchs	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixel
[20:06]	TR Bot	 Sixel - Wikipedia
[20:06]	activelow	^ certainly any patents are expired, 50 years later
[20:08]	TR News	AlmaLinux vs Ubuntu - Which one should you choose? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164086
[20:08]	TR Bot	 AlmaLinux vs Ubuntu - Which one should you choose? | Tux Machines
[20:08]	bnchs	activelow, you have to do the following anyway
[20:08]	bnchs	convert the image to a PPM
[20:08]	TR News	Shows: Linux Out Loud, mintCast, and Destination Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164087
[20:08]	TR Bot	 Shows: Linux Out Loud, mintCast, and Destination Linux | Tux Machines
[20:08]	bnchs	downcolor the image (quant) to 16 colors
[20:09]	bnchs	and then convert it to a sixel
[20:09]	activelow	except for those illustrations, such as rendered from gnuplot
[20:09]	TR News	Ubuntu Brings Back Its Iconic Developer Summit With a Twist - OMG! Ubuntu! https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/ubuntu-summit-returns-in-autumn-2022 Source: OMGUbuntu | GNU | Linux
[20:09]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Brings Back Its Iconic 'Developer Summit' With a Twist - OMG! Ubuntu!
[20:10]	activelow	which is what i am curious to see, if and how this integrates with: Knuth TeX, maths, plots, and output rendering of this onto terminal, including Sixel
[20:11]	TR News	FastF1 and Raspberry PI: Formula 1 Professional Data with Python https://peppe8o.com/fastf1-and-raspberry-pi-formula-1-professional-data-with-python/ Source: peppe8o
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[20:11]	TR Bot	 FastF1 and Raspberry PI: Formula 1 Professional Data with Python
[20:11]	activelow	with printing a conversion from sixel to raw epson-bitmap format is necessary, if i wanted to plot this onto a 9pin matrix printer
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[20:12]	TR News	Native GNU/Linux: Terraformers, a relaxed game about turning the Red Planet green, out now | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/terraformers-a-relaxed-game-about-turning-the-red-planet-green-out-now/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
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[20:12]	TR Bot	a relaxed game about turning the Red Planet green, out now | GamingOnLinux
[20:13]	TR News	radv: LBVH! (!15648) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15648 Source: gitlab
[20:13]	TR Bot	 radv: LBVH! (!15648) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab
[20:13]	activelow	as far as web browsing is concerned, if a content handler to convert and output sixel with Lynx browser... this would be cool
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[20:19]	activelow	and of cause, any virtual terminal needs support for sixel
[20:23]	TR News	"i had the displeasure of sleeping 15 hours straight today (or yesterday depending on your time zone)." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/898
[20:24]	TR News	This time of year... gemini://spikydinosaur.com/2022/04/24-hayfever.gmi
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[20:27]	activelow	anyway, digged inside the XTerm sources, and this doesn't seem to be the type of terminal emulator i would want to depend on
[20:28]	activelow	not to mention any of the QT/GNOME/GTK variants, suckless simple terminal is what i arrived at...
[20:30]	activelow	unicode truetype font rendering looks great; yet it is relatively slow with anti-aliasing and hinting applied; i think i prefer bitmap-type font over vectorized ones and expensive post-processing applied
[20:31]	activelow	fonts too were a patent battlefield for many years; i don't know what to think of this nowadays, with the final technical result, slowing down terminal emulators
[20:33]	activelow	since i removed all the GNOME stuff, gtk, pango, cairo, harfbuzz; fontconfig and freetype libraries remained... and their runtime performance isn't pleasent
[20:34]	activelow	i don't see the benefit of expensive post-processing of font rendering; fonts can be pre-processed for any sane amount of variants required
[20:35]	activelow	instead of, wasting megaflops of CPU power (or GPU, that's no different), to render fonts
[20:36]	activelow	so the industry, got another selling point, by creeping into font subsystems...
[20:38]	activelow	btw.; i noticed, netsurf browser supports many extensions, including SVG
[20:38]	activelow	and although netsurf browser was written entirely in C, including all it's dependencies, except one remained where c++ creeped into: libsvgtiny
[20:39]	activelow	i got a hotfix patch for libsvgtiny to use this with netsurf browser, nonetheless in it's current state (netsurf-motif), i don't see the benefit of this anymore; too much effort
[20:39]	activelow	which is better invested elsewhere, given the little man power i have, which is myself only
[20:40]	activelow	it is noteworthy still, what the state of "free software" really is, with examples such as raw linux framebuffer console and sixel graphics and text browsers
[20:44]	TR News	Debunking the Latest Lies From Team UPC About the Unitary Patent and Unified Patent Court (UPC) Agreement (UPCA) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/upc-lies-again-debunked/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/24/upc-lies-again-debunked/
[20:44]	TR Bot	 Debunking the Latest Lies From Team UPC About the Unitary Patent and Unified Patent Court (UPC) Agreement (UPCA) | Techrights
[20:47]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/smith-slaps-nadella.png
[20:48]	bnchs	smith slaps nutella
[20:49]	TR News	Microsoft = crime. US government = supporter of crime. http://techrights.org/2022/04/02/microsoft-crime-unpunished/
[20:49]	TR Bot	 Microsoft Crime: A Week Later No Investigation Launched, No Microsoft Executives Prosecuted, Nobody Phoned the Police, Not Even a Slap on the Wrist | Techrights
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● Apr 24
[21:04]	activelow	imagine, sixel graphics support, inside any gemini or irc client
[21:05]	bnchs	activelow, gemini doesn't even have images
[21:05]	bnchs	nor custom fonts
[21:05]	bnchs	or irc clients
[21:05]	bnchs	i mean irc and gemini doesn't have anything that warrants sixel
[21:09]	activelow	i am talking not about gemini or irc protocols themselves, i am talking about a terminal client which implements those protocols, including support for sixel graphics output
[21:11]	activelow	and support for this is closely tied to the terminal emulator used
[21:11]	activelow	which brings me back to DEC, who implemented it 50 years ago already... and it is mostly absent nowadays
[21:12]	activelow	because, illustrations, including plots, or math formulas (TeX rendered into sixel), output directly into virtual terminal, this is it
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[21:13]	TR News	[Meme] You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/fool-some-of-the-profession/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/04/24/fool-some-of-the-profession/
[21:14]	TR Bot	 [Meme] You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. | Techrights
[21:15]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/22041938
[21:15]	TR Bot	 IRCZ makes your life worth living https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/bad-letter-spacing-4__605.jpg created on 2022-04-19 12:09:21.998562
[21:18]	TR News	share 0 https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/4/24/355
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[21:18]	TR Bot	 LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [GIT PULL] sched/urgent for 5.18-rc4
[21:18]	TR News	<li><h5><a href="https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/terraformers-a-relaxed-game-about-turning-the-red-planet-green-out-now/">Terraformers, a relaxed game about turning the Red Planet green, out now | GamingOnLinux</a></h5>
[21:18]	TR Bot	a relaxed game about turning the Red Planet green, out now | GamingOnLinux
[21:19]	TR News	[GIT PULL] sched/urgent for 5.18-rc4 https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/4/24/355
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[21:20]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164088
[21:20]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
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[21:21]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[21:21]	TR News	"I'm not touching the bpf parts. I think that's a 5.19 issue by now, and since it's new, there's no equivalent performance regression issue." https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/4/24/339
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[21:21]	TR Bot	 LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [PATCH v4 bpf 0/4] vmalloc: bpf: introduce VM_ALLOW_HUGE_VMAP
[21:22]	SomeH4x0r	barto didn't connect for two days afaik. Maybe gone for a long time again. For some reason, it often happens with people on UplinkIRC.
[21:24]	matey	hi
[21:25]	matey	i watched the walkthrough for uplink
[21:25]	matey	fun game, id never play it
[21:25]	matey	the walkthrough guy did both types of endings
[21:25]	matey	or both objectives
[21:25]	matey	since you know the game, i dont have to do spoilers for you to know what im referring to
[21:26]	matey	but he did both helping arc and helping the people arc framed
[21:26]	matey	most of the videos (47 parts) are there
[21:27]	TR News	Rakudo compiler, Release #155 (2022.04) https://rakudo.org/post/announce-rakudo-release-2022.04
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[21:27]	TR Bot	 Rakudo compiler, Release #155 (2022.04) - Rakudo Compiler for Raku Programming Language
[21:27]	matey	he used top ten music in some of the videos so those are gone
[21:27]	SomeH4x0r	> people arc framed | a bit incorrect, ARC tries to destroy the Internet, while Arunmor tries to prevent it from happening
[21:28]	matey	at one point someone wanted arunmor framed for bank fraud
[21:28]	matey	that was the smaller, less-spoilery reference
[21:28]	SomeH4x0r	Arunmor just being the initial target, according to https://modlink.net it being a key company in the in-game Internet
[21:28]	TR Bot	 Modlink
[21:28]	TR News	See what's eating up drive space on the Steam Deck with Filelight | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/04/see-whats-eating-up-drive-space-on-the-steam-deck-with-filelight/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games
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[21:28]	TR Bot	what's eating up drive space on the Steam Deck with Filelight | GamingOnLinux
[21:28]	matey	yes
[21:28]	matey	but you know what i meant though, and that was my only objective
[21:29]	SomeH4x0r	Arunmor wants someone from ARC to be framed as well in one of their missions, but ok
[21:29]	matey	i dont know if i saw that mission
[21:29]	matey	7 of 47 videos were missing
[21:29]	matey	though from what ive seen, missing those 7 isnt a big deal
[21:29]	matey	i saw the big ending
[21:29]	matey	really for all that work they could have done a slightly bigger ending
[21:30]	matey	i think commander keen went to more trouble when you won, and it was ega.
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[21:30]	matey	but since i didnt actually play, i dont feel cheated
[21:30]	SomeH4x0r	https://guide.modlink.net - you can read the part about plot missions
[21:30]	TR Bot	 The Ultimate Uplink Guide
[21:30]	matey	its a very interesting concept and i think someone could redo it and have some fans
[21:30]	SomeH4x0r	17:52 <SomeH4x0r> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gene9/uplink-source-code/master/uplink/src/world/generator/plotgenerator.cpp
[21:30]	SomeH4x0r	17:53 <SomeH4x0r> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gene9/uplink-source-code/master/other/revelation.doc - maybe this one is useful as well
[21:31]	TR News	"Crow Translate is a simple and lightweight translator written in C++ / Qt that allows you to translate and speak text using Google, Yandex, Bing, LibreTranslate and Lingva translate API." https://sparkylinux.org/crow-translate/
[21:31]	TR Bot	 Crow Translate SparkyLinux
[21:32]	TR News	Misses the point there are more Windows XP users than Vista 11 (tiny niche) https://www.how2shout.com/linux/install-ubuntu-22-04-jammy-alongside-windows-11-dual-boot/
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[21:32]	TR Bot	 Install Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy alongside Windows 11 (Dual Boot)
[21:32]	TR News	10 Linux Network Commands and How to Use Them https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-network-commands-dns-settings/ those are not "Linux"
[21:32]	TR Bot	 10 Linux Network Commands and How to Use Them
[21:33]	TR News	The torrent of lies coming out of Team UPC parallels a similar stream of self-serving falsehoods (shameless propaganda) from Team Battistelli, still looking to replace real courts with kangaroo courts http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/upc-lies-again-debunked/
[21:33]	TR Bot	 Debunking the Latest Lies From Team UPC About the Unitary Patent and Unified Patent Court (UPC) Agreement (UPCA) | Techrights
[21:33]	TR News	Top European courts will be very upset when they realise what Team UPC has been doing with help from Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos at the EPO http://techrights.org/2022/04/24/fool-some-of-the-profession/
[21:33]	TR Bot	 [Meme] You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. | Techrights
[21:35]	TR News	libgnunetchat 0.1.0 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/164089
[21:35]	TR Bot	 libgnunetchat 0.1.0 released | Tux Machines
[21:38]	TR News	"Interestingly, the recent Mozilla layoff fiasco is how I discovered Gemini (so...thanks Mozilla?). Around that time I had re-entered the fediverse via another "zilla," Hubzilla, and the public stream was overwhelmingly full of frantic doomsday prepping discourse." gemini://rawtext.club/~mieum/relog/2020-10-23-drewdevault-firefox.gmi
[21:39]	TR News	"I decided to start a Korean gemlog on a new Gemini server I got running[1]. Eventually, the Raspberry Pi on which the server runs will hopefully become a pubnix of sorts (and maybe one day even a Korean-language pubnix???)." gemini://rawtext.club/~mieum/prose/2020-10-03-hangul_on_gemini.gmi
[21:40]	TR News	Didn't know that Gemini also caught on a little in he far east gemini://namu.blue/gemlog/2021-01-22-__.gmi
[21:41]	TR News	"Luckily in your case, sloum, the surveillance infrastructure at your daughter's preschool does not require you to download an app, make an account, identify yourself and your daughter, etc. As you mentioned, however, we cannot predict how that data will be used" gemini://rawtext.club/~mieum/relog/2020-09-02-sloum-surveillance_childcare.gmi
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[21:43]	TR News	"Upon asking I was told that they were installing cameras in all of the classrooms so that parents could stream video of their children (and everyone else's) all day long. My wife and I refused to sign and told them we would be looking for other arrangements." gopher://colorfield.space:70/0/~sloum/phlog/20200210.txt
[21:45]	TR News	"Then I asked the final question: facial recognition. I was told that their developers are looking into facial recognition but that they do not currently have it implemented and it is not a foregone conclusion that they will do so." gopher://colorfield.space:70/0/~sloum/phlog/20200210.txt
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[21:46]	TR News	Statement on Repeated Internet Shutdowns in Various States in Response to Violence https://internetfreedom.in/statement-on-repeated-internet-shutdowns-in-various-states-in-response-to-violence/
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[21:46]	TR Bot	 Statement on Repeated Internet Shutdowns in Various States in Response to Violence
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[21:48]	TR News	Explainer: Bharat Financial Inclusion Limited Loan glitch https://internetfreedom.in/bfil-consent-scam/ "disbursed loans to several people who availed it using someone elses name and PAN details"
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[21:48]	TR Bot	 Explainer: Bharat Financial Inclusion Limited Loan 'glitch'
[21:49]	TR News	Linus: "I decided that for [Linux] 5.18, we want to at least fix the performance regression on powerpc, so I've applied the 2/4 patch to enable huge pages for the large hashes." https://lkml.org/lkml/2022/4/24/339
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[21:49]	TR Bot	 LKML: Linus Torvalds: Re: [PATCH v4 bpf 0/4] vmalloc: bpf: introduce VM_ALLOW_HUGE_VMAP
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[21:55]	matey	in 2014, a guy named ed sperling did a piece called "everyone is a progreammer"
[21:55]	matey	still worth reading
[21:55]	matey	i dont have a url, im looking at about 40,000 files right now
[21:55]	matey	i dont love the article, but i do love the title and the article supports it
[21:56]	SomeH4x0r	afk, ttyl
[21:56]	matey	the level of programming that i think constitutes literacy is NOT hard to achieve
[21:56]	matey	the problem is that its still a higher bar than people set for themselves
[21:57]	matey	and there are still people who can write code, but they a. dont feel confident in what theyre doing and b. dont know if theyre "really coding" because the way they were taught had them start in the middle
[21:58]	matey	instead of laying down even the basics, they "just tried to make something"
[21:58]	matey	so they have no way to verify if they actually know the basics or not-- because no one ever told them what the basics are.
[21:58]	schestowitz-TR	i read that as tty1 (one) at first..
[21:59]	matey	wait until someone tells you to fuck off and you read it as "run fsck"
[21:59]	matey	"fuck off"
[21:59]	matey	"good idea, thanks"
[21:59]	matey	"???"
● Apr 24
[22:00]	matey	i talk to so many people who can do more than just basic stuff but DONT KNOW they can because they dont know what that is (per se)
[22:01]	matey	so theres no measurement of self-progress available to them
[22:01]	matey	this is only a hazard of self teaching if you deny them any sort of reasonable framework
[22:01]	matey	as a result, they learn how to code-- but STILL think theres some magic that isnt available to them
[22:02]	matey	"im told im literate but i dont know if thats true"
[22:02]	matey	im not saying that way of learning doesnt work, only that its incomplete
[22:03]	matey	have them go back and cover the basics after theyve "made a couple things"
[22:03]	matey	theyll be better for it
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[22:42]	SomeH4x0r	matey: barto told they won't be around for a while
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[22:44]	SomeH4x0r	00:33 <+barto> SomeH4x0r: just connecting for a second to tell ya that i'll be inactive for some time because of personal reasons
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[22:44]	matey	okay
[22:44]	matey	if he feels like coming back here, try to make him feel welcome
[22:49]	activelow	i see DEC corporation is defunct since 1998, and with it a huge portfolio of opportunities for commerce and crap began to flourish
[22:50]	activelow	to replace ordinary DEC terminal applications with glorious innovations elsewhere
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[22:52]	activelow	dot com bubble year 2000 didn't bust yet, it is a lie, to prevent it will, poof
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[22:52]	schestowitz-TR	it keeps getting bailed out
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	Biden has just brought military budfget surging again
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	more money from taxpayer (DEBT) to Gates, Musk, Thiel..
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	graft Inc.
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	That's the US econoy in a nutshell
[22:53]	schestowitz-TR	borrow like there is no tomorrow to keep the tech empire walking
[22:54]	activelow	well, the dotcom bubble didn't bust, and the industry is _technically_ bancrupt, this can't be fixed with more cash dumped into
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[22:55]	activelow	and the type of products and software quality available nowadays, simply isn't anything i am willing to work with anymore
[22:56]	activelow	for scientific research, authoring, publishing... and if a DEC VT from 1990s could do it, why isn't there common sixel support nowadays?
[22:57]	activelow	the patchset for suckless simple terminal isn't an overwhelming task
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[22:59]	activelow	it is a problem if such an "US economy" produced mostly useless crap, it is apocalypse if this economy destroys quality software and hardware with a proven track record of decades
● Apr 24
[23:00]	activelow	meanwhile, i consider ditching the entire modern font-rendering library fuzz, remove unicode support, and keep ISO8859-1
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[23:07]	matey	i consider ditching the entire modern font-rendering library fuzz, remove unicode support, and keep ISO8859-1 <- maybe keep unicode, or just give up on making an operating system
[23:08]	matey	without unicode you can probably just build a calculator and be happy
[23:08]	activelow	ascii only
[23:09]	bnchs	lol
[23:09]	bnchs	or just use GNU Unifont
[23:09]	bnchs	and only support UTF-8 as the only means of going beyond ASCII
[23:10]	activelow	thanks for the hint, at least GNU Unifont is a bitmap font
[23:10]	bnchs	yeah
[23:11]	bnchs	iirc it does have a file describing each character code with it's coordinates in the bitmap
[23:11]	matey	<bnchs> or just use GNU Unifont
[23:11]	matey	+
[23:12]	MinceR	0 and 1 only
[23:12]	matey	mincer: no computer can get by with just 0 and 1! :B
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[23:13]	matey	though unsigned 0 and unsigned 1 might work
[23:14]	bnchs	unifont has a big bmp file
[23:14]	matey	i think you get more out of 0 and 1 that way
[23:14]	MinceR	the sign is just another bit
[23:14]	bnchs	https://mirror.us-midwest-1.nexcess.net/gnu/unifont/unifont-14.0.03/unifont-14.0.03.bmp
[23:14]	MinceR	> bmp
[23:14]	MinceR	why
[23:14]	bnchs	there's also otf
[23:14]	matey	 the sign is just another bit <- exactly the kind of bloat we want to avoid
[23:14]	MinceR	lol
[23:14]	bnchs	and bdf
[23:14]	bnchs	now tell me how the fuck are you gonna fit this all in the VRAM (if you're dumb)
[23:15]	matey	bnchs: with compression of course
[23:15]	bnchs	but should you load teh characters if it's gonna be used? (if you're smart)
[23:15]	matey	/me hopes lz is enough
[23:15]	bnchs	matey: opengl doesn't know how to do compression
[23:15]	bnchs	that's up to the GPU firmware
[23:15]	matey	bnchs: no, i mean you take the chip and you squeeze it until its compressed
[23:15]	bnchs	oh
[23:16]	matey	you can do it with the cpu
[23:16]	matey	but after compression it needs better cooling
[23:16]	matey	i just put a metal water bottle full of ice on it
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[23:16]	matey	you have to wipe off the condesation from time to time or the leads can corrode
[23:17]	matey	but you can automate it
[23:17]	bnchs	wait
[23:17]	bnchs	you can't just use a image and thats it
[23:17]	bnchs	you gotta get the information on the font
[23:17]	matey	what information? its just 0s and 1s
[23:18]	bnchs	like character table, and tailing
[23:18]	bnchs	matey: assiging a character code to each X and Y on the font
[23:18]	matey	pointers!
[23:18]	matey	hes using c for everything
[23:18]	bnchs	yes
[23:18]	matey	so everything can be done with pointers >:)
[23:19]	bnchs	like unsigned int for the character table
[23:19]	bnchs	struct char_info character_table[400000000000];
[23:19]	bnchs	or struct char_info *character_table;
[23:19]	matey	or just use void()
[23:20]	matey	if you void a void it becomes an unvoid, you can put anything there
[23:20]	bnchs	a void function?
[23:20]	matey	i used that to fix my credit rating, then i moved to canada
[23:20]	bnchs	i avoid void* as much as i can
[23:20]	matey	you can also null a null but its dangerous
[23:21]	bnchs	because it doesn't have compiler-time type safety
[23:21]	matey	a good compromise is to null a void-- they call it a moot()
[23:21]	matey	rust uses it for everything
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[23:23]		*activelow watched a historical movie
[23:24]	bnchs	i had nightmares about segfaults
[23:24]	activelow	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalingrad_(1993_film)
[23:24]	TR Bot	 Stalingrad (1993 film) - Wikipedia
[23:25]	activelow	^ most authentic, keeping the german audio, with english subtitles
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[23:32]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CnmL1KXrz8
[23:32]	TR Bot	https://tube.cthd.icu/watch?v=9CnmL1KXrz8
[23:32]	TR Bot	tube.cthd.icu | Cats kissing each other over and over are unbelievably cute - Invidious
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[23:43]	bnchs__	https://www.unifoundry.com/pub/unifont/unifont-14.0.03/unifont_plane1-14.0.03.bmp
[23:43]	bnchs__	unifont supports emojis
[23:44]	bnchs__	it looks kinda better because it has that pixely look
[23:44]	bnchs__	and no color
[23:49]	matey	/me likes emojis when theyre made of keyboard characters
[23:49]	matey	you can do them without graphics
[23:49]	bnchs__	this is a font that's used in GNU's bootloader
[23:49]	bnchs__	like i'm pretty sure GRUB can display even more characters than microsoft's ???????????, thanks to this font
[23:51]	SomeH4x0r	I might try bringing more people from UplinkIRC here, if they are saying they like free software or something, btw
[23:51]	bnchs__	uplink?
[23:51]	SomeH4x0r	yes, a chat for Uplink (2001) videogame, people come daily
[23:52]	SomeH4x0r	almost everyone is from Steam sadly
[23:52]	MinceR	25 004910 < matey> /me likes emojis when theyre made of keyboard characters
[23:53]	MinceR	you mean emoticons and/or kaomoji
[23:53]	SomeH4x0r	sent you the address in PM