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| *XRevan86 will be at the conference where Stallman will make a speech. | Aug 24 10:22 | |
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| XRevan86 | tomorrow | Aug 24 10:22 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: ? | Aug 24 10:44 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: https://fsf.org/events/rms-20190825-saintpetersburg | Aug 24 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Richard Stallman - "Free software and your freedom" (TechTrain, Saint Petersburg, Russia) — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Aug 24 10:46 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see... | Aug 24 11:18 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know which city you're in | Aug 24 11:18 |
| schestowitz | https://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2008021302126nwcy | Aug 24 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - Richard Stallman Scared of Russia | Aug 24 11:18 | |
| schestowitz | http://webplanet.ru/english/2008/02/12/stallman_scared_en.html | Aug 24 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webplanet.ru | Richard Stallman scared of Russia | Вебпланета | Aug 24 11:19 | |
| XRevan86 | > 2008 | Aug 24 11:19 |
| XRevan86 | He definitely visited Russia after that | Aug 24 11:19 |
| schestowitz | a chance for him to meet Snowden in person | Aug 24 11:19 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: For that he'd need to know where Snowden lives. | Aug 24 11:20 |
| schestowitz | yup, he gives a talk in Moscow also | Aug 24 11:20 |
| XRevan86 | IIRC, he visited the Polytech university in Petersburg just a few years back. | Aug 24 11:20 |
| schestowitz | I assume Snowden is somewhere around there | Aug 24 11:20 |
| schestowitz | the US probably knows where | Aug 24 11:21 |
| schestowitz | but it would be a diplomatic mess if they attempted something | Aug 24 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Lon, his father, is still in the US | Aug 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz | AFAIk, he's girlfriend, is still with him | Aug 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz | but... | Aug 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz | he's history | Aug 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz | like Assange | Aug 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz | I mean that in a sad sense | Aug 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz | it's saddening to me how media made them forgotten | Aug 24 11:22 |
| XRevan86 | Luckily, only politically and not in all senses of the word. | Aug 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz | not left to live a hard life with almost no fame, only past glory | Aug 24 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Snowden is a year younger than me, not sure what the future can hold for himn | Aug 24 11:23 |
| XRevan86 | At least he's not with the fishes. | Aug 24 11:23 |
| schestowitz | not yet | Aug 24 11:23 |
| schestowitz | things change | Aug 24 11:23 |
| XRevan86 | indeed | Aug 24 11:23 |
| schestowitz | see Assange and Lenin Moreno | Aug 24 11:23 |
| schestowitz | he's a bargaining chip to Russia | Aug 24 11:23 |
| schestowitz | If not Putin, a successor can hand him over in exchange for something of political value to the Kremlin (what that thing may be we don't know... yet) | Aug 24 11:24 |
| XRevan86 | Our politicians aren't exactly known for their moral code | Aug 24 11:24 |
| schestowitz | very few countries where Snowden would be safe, they can be bullied diplomatically, even France and Germany or Norway | Aug 24 11:25 |
| schestowitz | (also, parties change and swing power there a lot, left, right, US peons of variety kinds) | Aug 24 11:25 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'm not even sure if he can physically leave Russia. | Aug 24 11:25 |
| XRevan86 | So alternatives aren't really alternatives. | Aug 24 11:25 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_Morales_grounding_incident | Aug 24 11:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Evo Morales grounding incident - Wikipedia | Aug 24 11:26 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: "France apologized for the incident immediately. The Spanish ambassador to Bolivia apologized two weeks later, citing inappropriate procedures." | Aug 24 11:32 |
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| XRevan86 | "We didn't get what we wanted, sorry for inconvenience"? | Aug 24 11:33 |
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| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 24 11:35 |
| schestowitz | https://nypost.com/2015/10/28/saudi-prince-busted-with-two-tons-of-isis-drug-and-cocaine-on-his-private-plane-officials/ | Aug 24 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nypost.com | Saudi prince busted with two tons of ISIS drug and cocaine on his private plane: officials | Aug 24 11:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/Story?id=633967&page=1 | Aug 24 11:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/26/saudi-arabias-royal-drug-problem/ | Aug 24 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foreignpolicy.com | Saudi Arabia’s Royal Drug Problem – Foreign Policy | Aug 24 11:36 | |
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| kaniini | the newest mastodon development: block these instances or we block you | Aug 24 16:06 |
| kaniini | so much for self-determination, right? | Aug 24 16:06 |
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| XRevan86 | kaniini: It's not the newest | Aug 24 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: I've noticed going on for… about a year | Aug 24 16:38 |
| kaniini | i meant in terms of | Aug 24 16:41 |
| kaniini | hardcore people going hard with it | Aug 24 16:41 |
| kaniini | and it's like | Aug 24 16:41 |
| kaniini | instead of bullying people | Aug 24 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Well, it's getting more grand with time. | Aug 24 16:41 |
| kaniini | maybe fix the software so the concern is fixed | Aug 24 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: Why fix software when one can peer pressure everyone? | Aug 24 16:42 |
| kaniini | AP is a notification protocol, it's not meant to be transporting all this data around | Aug 24 16:42 |
| kaniini | gargron misunderstood what the spec was showing (because the spec is trash) and that's how we have AP pushing messages around | Aug 24 16:43 |
| kaniini | i know this to be true because AP is built on the Linked Data Notifications vocabulary | Aug 24 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | kaniini: I guess he modelled it after WebSub | Aug 24 16:43 |
| kaniini | AP itself is modelled after WebSub | Aug 24 16:44 |
| kaniini | Gargron interpreted it to be more like Salmon | Aug 24 16:44 |
| kaniini | e.g. notification *plus* payload | Aug 24 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, I thought WebSub had payload %) | Aug 24 16:44 |
| kaniini | because the spec examples show | Aug 24 16:44 |
| kaniini | {"type": "Create", "object": {"type": "Note", "content": "lol", "id": "..."}} | Aug 24 16:45 |
| kaniini | but object is supposed to collapse down to just object.id | Aug 24 16:45 |
| kaniini | because of JSON-LD | Aug 24 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | > The body of the POST request includes the new content: this is a fat ping. The notification will only include the new entries in the feed, along with the header part of the feed: its title, links… etc. | Aug 24 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | WebSub has payload | Aug 24 16:46 |
| *kaniini shrugs | Aug 24 16:46 | |
| kaniini | in practice nobody uses that feature ;) | Aug 24 16:46 |
| kaniini | and it's beside the point | Aug 24 16:47 |
| kaniini | over the wire, a Create should only refer to the object by an IRI (e.g. a capability) | Aug 24 16:47 |
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| scientes | <XRevan86> scientes: Today one needn't to worry construction workers stole concrete or tiles. | Aug 24 20:35 |
| scientes | yes, clearly different | Aug 24 20:35 |
| scientes | I mean, yes construction sites are guarded and areas of theft, but people would never steal such cheap things | Aug 24 20:35 |
| scientes | they are after the more expensive stuff, especially tools | Aug 24 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yes, now people steal time needed for foundations to settle down %) | Aug 24 20:35 |
| scientes | I hear that happens in China too | Aug 24 20:36 |
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| scientes | So despite the quality of the mass-produced houses being MUCH lower in the US than other stuff, it appears it is still quite high quality construction (not that it matters, these houses will soon be empty, and it will cost money to de-construct them) | Aug 24 20:36 |
| scientes | its also required to put copper in every wall, which I always though was incredibly wasteful | Aug 24 20:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: as wires? | Aug 24 20:38 |
| scientes | yes | Aug 24 20:38 |
| scientes | its because extension cables caused so many fires | Aug 24 20:38 |
| XRevan86 | I think most wires in my flat are aluminium | Aug 24 20:38 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> scientes: And apartments now are very expensive, but I cannot really compare with the USSR as apartments back then weren't for sale. | Aug 24 20:39 |
| scientes | How expensive in St Peterberg? | Aug 24 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It depends on many-many factors | Aug 24 20:39 |
| scientes | people even got to own the apartments they lived in | Aug 24 20:39 |
| scientes | after the collapse | Aug 24 20:40 |
| scientes | and can people get morgages? | Aug 24 20:41 |
| *XRevan86 opened Avito, the very first flat that showed up: $128 788 for 42.5 m² | Aug 24 20:41 | |
| scientes | cause that drives up the prices quite a bit | Aug 24 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: of course | Aug 24 20:41 |
| scientes | yeah, its not worth buying houses if people can get morgages | Aug 24 20:41 |
| scientes | the prices are just too high | Aug 24 20:41 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: about 9% | Aug 24 20:44 |
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| scientes | what 9%? | Aug 24 20:50 |
| scientes | you mean interest rate? | Aug 24 20:50 |
| scientes | what is the down payment, and what is the term? | Aug 24 20:50 |
| scientes | the most important number is actually the down payment, cause its really just a house of cards | Aug 24 20:51 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Should I look for morgages for new or older houses? | Aug 24 20:52 |
| scientes | Its all the same in the US | Aug 24 20:52 |
| scientes | there are also reverse morgages, which were always a bad idea | Aug 24 20:53 |
| scientes | and just more house of cards | Aug 24 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://vtb.ru/personal/ipoteka/novostrojki/ if you know Russian well enough, you can check this page out yourself | Aug 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | the rich run out of things to steal | Aug 24 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vtb.ru | Ипотека на квартиры в новостройках или в строящемся доме от ВТБ, ипотечный кредит на новое жилье — Банк ВТБ | Aug 24 20:53 | |
| scientes | <schestowitz> the rich run out of things to steal | Aug 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | so now they go after people's inheritance money | Aug 24 20:53 |
| scientes | hehe | Aug 24 20:53 |
| scientes | schestowitz, also doctors | Aug 24 20:53 |
| scientes | fucking theives | Aug 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | momma sold the house to the bank to pay for a funeral :// | Aug 24 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, suppose I have an income of 60 000 rubles, middle classy… | Aug 24 20:54 |
| scientes | schestowitz, yeah that is a good one. It is also illegal to just bury her in the back yard | Aug 24 20:54 |
| scientes | and let her die at home | Aug 24 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | oh, wait, the initial payment is the same for all | Aug 24 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | $3788 | Aug 24 20:54 |
| scientes | XRevan86, are you fucking me? | Aug 24 20:55 |
| scientes | what a load of bollucks | Aug 24 20:55 |
| scientes | hell, I should go take out a Russian morgage | Aug 24 20:55 |
| scientes | /sarcasm | Aug 24 20:55 |
| scientes | which means that the seller immediately gets $130,000 | Aug 24 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | if I decrease the flat price to $15151, the down payment also decreases | Aug 24 20:56 |
| XRevan86 | 10% apparently | Aug 24 20:56 |
| scientes | oh ok yeah that is what it says | Aug 24 20:56 |
| scientes | its 20% in the US, unless you are a vetern in which it is 0% | Aug 24 20:56 |
| scientes | but of course property taxes in the US are so fucking high that you don't really own property at all | Aug 24 20:58 |
| scientes | and it is impossible to get the land to even pay for itsself | Aug 24 20:58 |
| scientes | unless you apply for specific agriculture exemptions which means 1) you HAVE to farm the land, you can't let it go follow, and 2) you have to be beholden to the extremely fascist FSMA | Aug 24 20:59 |
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| scientes | and then most farmers in the US these days get most of their money directly from the government, so the irony is that the US converged on a centrally planned economy | Aug 24 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | In Russia it's 0.1% of the price | Aug 24 21:00 |
| scientes | of the last sale price? | Aug 24 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | кадастровая стоимость | Aug 24 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | cadastral | Aug 24 21:01 |
| scientes | cause if its of the last sale price that is at least predictable | Aug 24 21:03 |
| scientes | that's the best system i've heard of yet | Aug 24 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | What if I sell to myself? %) | Aug 24 21:04 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah the minimum for the Highly Skilled Migrant Visa is 1,000,000/year | Aug 24 21:17 |
| scientes | unless you are working for the space program, and I think it is lower for scientists | Aug 24 21:17 |
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