●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 ●● ● Aug 24 [00:00] Helenah Like... male nor female? [00:00] Helenah I'm confused... [00:00] DaemonFC When I go outside, I may not be dressed in the nicest clothes, but I'm not letting my sex organs hang out. [00:00] DaemonFC I think societal decay is responsible for a lot of this "rape culture" problem that mjg59_ is so worked up about. [00:00] Helenah Wait... slow down a min... [00:00] Helenah rape culture problem? [00:00] DaemonFC Not all, maybe not most, but some. [00:01] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: in the 70s many women went around topless [00:01] schestowitz[TR] that does not happen anymore [00:01] schestowitz[TR] so what you describe is hardly new [00:01] schestowitz[TR] you can still find photo albums of people in the 1970s [00:01] Helenah Why would your sex organs hang out of your clothes anyway? [00:01] schestowitz[TR] topless [00:01] DaemonFC The mass media also fuels this problem. [00:02] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/weekend-random-randomness-8-6-22-5.jpg [00:02] DaemonFC They give men and women these impossible standards and then nobody wants to have sex with real people anymore. [00:02] Helenah I'm struggling with tis... lol [00:02] TR News (NEW): Security: Patches, Flaws, and FUD" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/Security_Patches_Flaws_and_FUD.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/Security_Patches_Flaws_and_FUD.gmi [00:02] TR Bot Tux Machines Security: Patches, Flaws, and FUD" [00:02] DaemonFC Real people might have bad teeth, some hair issues, might be a little overweight. [00:02] Helenah Maybe American culture is VERY different... [00:03] DaemonFC The amusing thing about Game of Thrones is that there's a lot of nudity, right? [00:03] DaemonFC And it's not like what you normally see in porn or something. [00:03] DaemonFC These are what people look like nude. [00:03] Helenah DaemonFC: This is my "Whatever I want for myself" look https://i.imgur.com/W0lOPlA.jpg [00:03] Helenah An individualist who er... [00:03] techuser maybe at least less overpopulation risk [00:03] Helenah Would rather not sheep others. [00:04] DaemonFC I'm just disgusted by our culture. [00:04] Helenah Personally I wouldn't go nude. [00:04] Helenah techuser knows why. [00:04] DaemonFC It takes dumpy people and tells them that other dumpy people aren't good enough for them. [00:04] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:04] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:04] techuser iirc you told here something, and this channel is publicly logged [00:05] DaemonFC The mass media pushes down a sort of collective mental illness. [00:05] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], ^ [00:05] Helenah hmm [00:05] techuser sex is too much price to pay [00:05] DaemonFC Nobody is worried about stopping them. [00:06] DaemonFC People have been told that getting old and dying without kids means they're a failure. [00:06] DaemonFC Getting old and dying with kids (workers) to replace them.... GREAT SUCCESS! [00:06] techuser I don't understand what is a success and what is failure [00:06] techuser I don't expect I will be accepted by society [00:07] DaemonFC There is no society, really. [00:07] techuser seems to be so [00:07] DaemonFC There's just individuals. [00:07] Helenah 23:06 People have been told that getting old and dying without kids means they're a failure. [00:07] DaemonFC What gets portrayed as "society" is synthetic. [00:07] Helenah Not me... [00:07] Helenah I never had that said to me... [00:07] DaemonFC It's like a McDonalds hamburger they want everyone to choke down. [00:07] Helenah I don't have kids, I'm infertile. [00:07] DaemonFC The media sets expectations low. They make every single thing the same. [00:07] DaemonFC It's a McDonalds burger. [00:08] Helenah My mother wants grand children but she understands it's her issue and not mine so she doesn't get on my case about it, she accepts the situation. [00:08] DaemonFC Nothing in nature is that perfect. [00:08] DaemonFC If something is as repeatable as a McDonalds hamburger, it's fake. [00:08] techuser it is evil to "want children" [00:09] Helenah Well you are concerned about over population. [00:09] techuser because it means children are equal to property [00:09] DaemonFC When parents figure out they aren't getting grandchildren, you're cut off. [00:09] DaemonFC You're on your own. [00:09] DaemonFC Failed investment. [00:09] techuser I'm concerned about toxic parent-child relationships (both ways) [00:09] Helenah DaemonFC: My mother never cut me off. [00:09] Helenah My sister doesn't want children. [00:09] Helenah And she said if she was to have a child, she doesn't want to get pregnant. [00:09] Helenah She wants to adopt [00:09] schestowitz[TR] midnight here, wif'e birthday started [00:10] Helenah but she's a lesbian [00:10] schestowitz[TR] need to draw something [00:10] techuser parents hate their children for wasting their children, teenagers hate their parents, children of old parents wants them to die for inheritance and no waste of money [00:10] Helenah I only got a single sibling so my mother can't get grand children from anyone. [00:10] Helenah She hasn't cut us off. [00:10] Helenah She supports us both all the same. [00:10] techuser *wasting their time [00:10] Helenah I just think American culture is truly fucked up [00:10] techuser and money [00:10] Helenah and that's without sounding like UK culture is perfect because it's not, it also has shit in it too. [00:11] Helenah Don't get me wrong, I like people regardless of if they're American or not... [00:11] Helenah People as individuals are good or bad [00:11] Helenah But if DaemonFC is telling the truth... [00:12] Helenah Then a lot of bad has been said about American culture by them already. [00:12] techuser if there is shit like this (wanting grandchildren), I would also want my parents to disappear sooner [00:12] Helenah techuser: She doesn't beg, get on my case or throw it in my face... [00:12] techuser I have no faith things will get better without major sacrifices [00:12] DaemonFC parents hate their children for wasting their children, teenagers hate their parents, children of old parents wants them to die for inheritance and no waste of money [00:13] Helenah She has only ever a few times, not many expressed that she'd like grand children. [00:13] Helenah I don't see an issue with a mere expression like that, a neutral one. [00:13] DaemonFC The only thing mom's mom did is squander all of her money and wreck the house and then go to the retirement home. [00:13] Helenah One that isn't intended to get to me [00:13] Helenah I'd rather know my mother than not know her... [00:13] DaemonFC She wrecked the Cadillac too. [00:13] DaemonFC She didn't leave them a damned thing and they still take care of her. [00:14] DaemonFC She's so mean that the only reason she ever sees anyone in the family is because both my cousins work at the nursing home she lives in. [00:14] Helenah hmm [00:14] Helenah Damn [00:14] Helenah I'm sorry to hear that! :( [00:14] Helenah Yeah not all family relationships are good [00:15] techuser I think living together with someone all day is not good for mental health [00:15] techuser all day, for life [00:15] Helenah techuser: I'd rather talk to you here, people speak sensical, it's hard to talk with people who are soo set on opinions that make no sense... [00:16] Helenah Cause I don't want to trample on people... [00:16] Helenah and I don't like arguments really :D [00:16] Helenah But yeah, DaemonFC speaks a lot of sense! [00:16] Helenah He knows stuff. [00:16] Helenah I like the guy. [00:16] Helenah techuser: How much of your opinions and views of the world are via misguidance due to the peers you hang around with? [00:16] techuser I think my life is wasted, and I will never be happy anymore. [00:17] Helenah You see, Anonymous says similar... [00:17] techuser I'm not happy with things with tech, but I don't know how to live without it [00:17] Helenah And you're in a small channel with him... [00:17] techuser no idea [00:17] Helenah And Anonymous also mentioned not being happy with tech... [00:17] Helenah It's like... you rub off on each other... [00:17] DaemonFC Last time mom tried to go have dinner with her this happened. Before mom even put the car in reverse, my grandmother said "Do you know why you can't keep a man? It's because you're so mean!" and then mom took her to her favorite restaurant. Then by the time they were on the freeway on the way back, Grandma started another argument, sunk her fingernails into mom's hand on the steering wheel and drew blood, and tried to run them underneath a semi [00:17] DaemonFC trailer. [00:17] Helenah I could be wrong though! [00:18] Helenah It's mere observation... [00:18] Helenah I wanted to point it out because pointing it how keeps you informed. [00:18] DaemonFC Then mom had to grab grandma's arm to get her off so she could get the car under control again, and old people bruise really easily. [00:18] Helenah I want you to be an individual, techuser [00:18] DaemonFC So grandma found the social worker and said mom had beaten her. [00:19] DaemonFC The social worker opened an investigation, and closed it again after she interviewed 9 family members who said "Grandma does things like this all the time and it's why none of us go anywhere near her.". [00:19] Helenah Yeah that's sounds bad... [00:19] Helenah DaFuQ [00:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [00:20] Helenah Witnesses are your friend :) [00:20] DaemonFC They talked to me and after I named the 5-6 worst things Grandma ever did to me, including starting a food fight involving a McDonalds Coke and cheeseburger....... [00:20] DaemonFC They said thank you for talking to us. [00:20] techuser my grandfather is an annoyance for other family members, but for some reason they don't put him into a mental hospital [00:20] techuser idk why not [00:20] Helenah techuser: I've known families who... [00:20] Helenah no matter what would rather care for the member themselves [00:21] DaemonFC I said, "This is subjective, but I don't even know how she stayed married for over 50 years. I asked my grandfather when he was alive and he told me 'At least I'll go to Heaven someday.'.". [00:21] Helenah A care home that doesn't abuse its patients and takes good care of them is a better environment for an elderly person than a family home or their own home is. [00:21] DaemonFC It's better at a certain point not to even argue with someone about religion. [00:22] Helenah Yeah [00:22] DaemonFC If they're so thoroughly convinced that a wasted life that someone else made them suffer through is okay because they're going somewhere, let them. [00:22] Helenah Do not argue with a religious person about their beliefs :D [00:22] Helenah or your own! [00:22] Helenah It always results in chaos. :/ [00:22] Helenah lol [00:22] DaemonFC Well, you don't resolve anything. [00:22] Helenah Agreed [00:23] Helenah you just end up with a verbal fight LOL [00:23] DaemonFC You'll still believe what you do, they'll still believe what they do. You'll both be pissed at each other and looking for ways to cause problems. [00:23] DaemonFC Like, especially at work. [00:23] Helenah hmm [00:23] DaemonFC They'll go to the boss and say you made them feel uncomfortable by insulting their religious beliefs. [00:23] DaemonFC Whoopsie. [00:24] Helenah Yeah, religious people are protected here too and so they should. [00:24] Helenah be [00:24] Helenah Cause like... [00:24] Helenah I don't think they should be at risk of harm or prejudice based on a belief... [00:24] Helenah a belief that only really affects them [00:25] DaemonFC They have persecutory delusions. [00:25] DaemonFC https://www.verywellmind.com/what-are-persecutory-delusions-4586500 [00:25] TR Bot What Are Persecutory Delusions? [00:25] Helenah but I don't think people should be able to force their beliefs into other peoples faces. [00:25] DaemonFC But that's their problem. Don't play into it. You'll be the one in trouble. [00:25] Helenah I think it should be personal and kept to ones self. [00:25] techuser parents tell their children about religion [00:25] techuser then most people's religion is the one's their parents had [00:25] Helenah Yeh that's conversion, I don't agree with it, techuser [00:26] Helenah Religion should be consentual. [00:26] DaemonFC "or they believe the government is trying to kill them" [00:26] DaemonFC The government did try to kill me. [00:26] Helenah It must not be forced. [00:26] Helenah The Government is the reason why I exist, DaemonFC [00:27] DaemonFC It's like I just spoke of with schestowitz[TR] about Maricel being nudged out the door at the hospital. [00:27] DaemonFC They just harass you and lean on you and make life hard and you're supposed to take the hint and walk in front of a train. [00:27] DaemonFC That's what the police and state government tried to do to me. [00:27] Helenah I've tried conversing with people and it's being god pushing after god pushing from them [00:27] Helenah like each sentence has to involve god [00:27] techuser why do they take the people who attempt suicide to mental hospitals then though? [00:28] Helenah and when you say you're athiest, politely say it [00:28] Helenah it amounts to nothing on their side [00:28] DaemonFC why do they take the people who attempt suicide to mental hospitals then though? [00:28] DaemonFC Medical debt. [00:28] Helenah They don't like... stop the god pushing [00:28] DaemonFC They know that they can put you $50,000 in medical debt and then if you don't kill yourself you'll owe them a lot of money. [00:28] Helenah I'm fine with them having their beliefs, I'm not fine with their beliefs pushed into my face. [00:28] Helenah like I should believe it too [00:29] Helenah You see... [00:29] DaemonFC techuser, Involuntary committal is another way to dial up suicidal pressure when the government is in a harassment campaign against someone like me. [00:29] Helenah This is where American healthcare has gone wrong... [00:29] DaemonFC That's why you never admit they're making you have thoughts of suicide to them. [00:29] Helenah What if someones suicide attempt harms someone else? [00:30] Helenah It's stupid that they don't just sort out the suicidal person... [00:30] Helenah and want money before they do it... [00:30] DaemonFC They dump you out a couple weeks later and you owe them money and you're still facing criminal charges, and you owe the court money, and you owe the lawyers money, and you owe the banks money, and your landlord threw you out and you owe the motel money. [00:31] DaemonFC Been there. Done that. Bought the t-shirt. [00:32] DaemonFC The whole thing about living here is a scam. [00:32] DaemonFC If they can't get you to run on a treadmill like Mark and MARISOL, you're no good to them. [00:33] DaemonFC So they figure out how to force money and labor out of you or get you to kill yourself so you won't be a problem for the state again. [00:33] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi [00:33] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [00:33] DaemonFC It's a conspiracy to destroy the soul of man. [00:34] DaemonFC Now the state's a drug dealer too. [00:35] DaemonFC Next it'll be a pimp. [00:35] DaemonFC I guarantee you, legal whore houses will be the next thing in Illinois. [00:35] DaemonFC They want money, they know how to get it without complaint. So they'll employ some of their citizens to be prostitutes and tax some of their other citizens to fuck them. [00:35] Helenah Suicide is against UK law [00:36] Helenah but they prevent it at the same time. [00:36] Helenah The idea is... [00:36] DaemonFC Suicide is against UK law [00:36] Helenah not to incriminate you [00:36] Helenah but to erm... [00:36] DaemonFC In less enlightened times, they would hang you for it. [00:36] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], ^ [00:36] Helenah encourage other people to help you not commit it. [00:36] Helenah But yeah, it's er... weird law even so... [00:36] Helenah So if you attempted suicide you wouldn't end up in jail or with a criminal record... [00:37] Helenah And it's illegal to die in parliament. [00:38] Helenah Seriously none of this is enforced. [00:38] Helenah There's a lot of un-enforced UK law [00:38] Helenah Because it can be decided which laws are silly and which aren't because it's difficult to change UK law. [00:38] DaemonFC Yeah, they like making a lot of laws. [00:38] Helenah Meaning it takes a long time to get rid of silly laws [00:39] TR News (NEW): SUSE and Red Hat Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/SUSE_and_Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/SUSE_and_Red_Hat_Leftovers.gmi [00:39] TR Bot Tux Machines SUSE and Red Hat Leftovers [00:39] Helenah so they can mark them un-enforcable [00:39] Helenah For example... [00:39] Helenah It's illegal to carry planks of wood on the pavement, DaemonFC [00:39] DaemonFC Maybe when Illinois decides to have whorehouses they can guarantee no Monkey pox or your monkey back. [00:39] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [00:39] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: can't talk right now, drawing card for wife [00:39] Helenah Which means if you went to ikea, bought a wardrobe, carried it across the pavement and into your home then you broke the law. [00:40] Helenah But you won't be done for it because it is a non-enforced law. [00:40] Helenah But is the law [00:40] Helenah at the same time [00:40] DaemonFC It's illegal to carry planks of wood on the pavement, DaemonFC [00:40] DaemonFC There was a guy drawing penises on the potholes to shame the city into filling them. [00:40] Helenah Personal drug possession laws are the same depending on drug classification. [00:41] Helenah I can smoke a weed [00:41] DaemonFC The cops here will pounce on drugs, 10 times worse if you're black. [00:41] Helenah and not be done for it [00:41] Helenah but I broke the law doing so [00:41] Helenah Even the police know, DaemonFC [00:41] DaemonFC Weed is legal but they still figure out ways to bust black people for it. [00:41] Helenah Yep the police know I smoke weed [00:41] Helenah They won't enforce that law. [00:41] Helenah The argument is that... it takes resources which can be best spent on actual harmful crimes. [00:41] DaemonFC That's not how it works here. [00:42] DaemonFC If the police catch you with drugs, they can take everything. [00:42] DaemonFC The money in your bank account, your cash, your car, your house. [00:42] Helenah Yeah, if they can you with drugs they can take the drugs and do you for it [00:42] DaemonFC So they love drugs. [00:42] Helenah Like I said it depends [00:42] Helenah if it's personal use, if it's low classification such as weed [00:42] Helenah they won't do you for it [00:42] Helenah If it's a class A drug personal supply then they will [00:42] Helenah If you run a cannabis farm, they will shut it down [00:42] Helenah They'd rather go after the gold mine than the drug user [00:43] Helenah Because... it isn't worth going after the drug users when you can just shut down the farms... [00:43] Helenah Yeah, they can't take everything from you for it. [00:44] Helenah Infact... UK prisons can't take your liberties away [00:44] Helenah Wait is liberties the right term? [00:44] Helenah They got to look after you [00:44] Helenah UK prisons are about... serving time for what you did, they're not about treating you like some turd. [00:45] Helenah For example I'm Autistic [00:45] Helenah and I read into this cause I'm scared of prison due to my Autism [00:45] Helenah Apparently they can't simply just stick me in prison like they would with any NT person. [00:45] Helenah Apparently they got to assign me a support worker who will slowly introduce me to the prison life and make adaptations based on my needs, DaemonFC [00:46] Helenah They won't for example expect you to hang around with the inmates if you would socially struggle with that. [00:48] Helenah techuser: ^ [00:49] schestowitz[TR] in the us prisons are business [00:50] schestowitz[TR] businesses have one function [00:50] schestowitz[TR] make more money [00:50] schestowitz[TR] how? [00:50] schestowitz[TR] more prisoners [00:50] schestowitz[TR] or more expensive prisoners [00:50] schestowitz[TR] dental, meals, long terms [00:51] Helenah Yeah in the UK, they're state, "Her Majesty's Prison and Probation Service" [00:51] Helenah That doesn't mean the monarch shapes it though. [00:51] schestowitz[TR] for now [00:51] schestowitz[TR] let's wait for Tories tof* that up, too [00:52] Helenah Well I can only speak of now... [00:52] Helenah Fuck speculation... [00:52] Helenah Speculation outputs a fuckton of different potential results, most if not all will not be true most likely. [00:53] DaemonFC Apparently they got to assign me a support worker who will slowly introduce me to the prison life and make adaptations based on my needs, DaemonFC [00:53] DaemonFC Yeah, that's not how prison works here. [00:53] Helenah They make you life in your piss, shit, vomit? [00:53] DaemonFC They toss you into a cell, you eat whatever they decide to give you, you do whatever work they give you. [00:53] Helenah The guards give you a slap around? [00:53] Helenah Oh [00:53] DaemonFC If people rape you in the shower, that's what happens in prison. [00:54] Helenah Here they don't mix high risk offenders with low risk ones... [00:54] Helenah So rapists don't get mixed with debt criminals for example [00:54] DaemonFC Pretty much every state prison system is a shit show. [00:54] TR News (NEW): Godot Engine - Godot 4.0 will discontinue visual scripting https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/Godot_Engine_Godot_4_0_will_discontinue_visual_scripting.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/Godot_Engine_Godot_4_0_will_discontinue_visual_scripting.gmi [00:54] TR Bot Tux Machines Godot Engine - Godot 4.0 will discontinue visual scripting [00:54] DaemonFC You're better off if you commit a federal crime and they throw you in prison. [00:54] Helenah They have different ways for different profile criminals. [00:54] TR News (NEW): Videos and Shows: HowTos, Goodbye to DuckDuckGo (Microsoft Front), and More https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/Videos_and_Shows_HowTos_Goodbye_to_DuckDuckGo_Microsoft_Front_a.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/Videos_and_Shows_HowTos_Goodbye_to_DuckDuckGo_Microsoft_Front_a.gmi [00:54] TR Bot Tux Machines Videos and Shows: HowTos, Goodbye to DuckDuckGo (Microsoft Front), and More" [00:54] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/today_s_leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/today_s_leftovers.2.gmi [00:54] Helenah (wings [00:54] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [00:54] Helenah *wings [00:55] Helenah They put the high profile inmates in the centre of the prisons so they're behind a lot more secure doors. [00:56] Helenah And they don't allow high profile criminals to mix with high profile criminals [00:56] DaemonFC You're less likely to be murdered or raped in federal prison. [00:56] Helenah So they won't mix a rapist with a rapist, a murder with a murder, a rapist with a murder, etc [00:56] DaemonFC They have better food. [00:56] Helenah hmm [00:56] DaemonFC That's why the feds normally don't bust you for something that's also a state crime. [00:57] DaemonFC For example, peddling child pornography is a federal crime, but few people are in federal prison for that. Why? [00:57] Helenah Did you know UK police carry guns as absolute last resort too? [00:57] Helenah hmm [00:57] DaemonFC Because they can throw them in state prison and make them really suffer and spend almost no money feeding them or keeping them safe from the other prisoners. [00:57] Helenah hmm [00:58] DaemonFC It's also more difficult to commit a federal crime, although not a lot more. [00:58] Helenah Even in a riot the police would rather resort to shields and less harmful weapons. [00:58] DaemonFC It has to affect the financial system or involve state lines, or someone's civil rights, or something like that, usually. [00:58] Helenah hmm [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 71.81 average k/sec., average swarm size 110.06 [00:59] Helenah I don't normally use ignore but that bot is going on ignore until I need it. [00:59] Helenah It fills up my damn display! [00:59] Helenah lol [00:59] Helenah Done ● Aug 24 [01:00] *kevingranade has quit (*.net *.split) [01:00] *swaggboi has quit (*.net *.split) [01:00] *danielinux has quit (*.net *.split) [01:00] *danielinux (~dan@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io) has joined #techrights [01:00] *kevingranade (sid297678@CataclysmDDA/leader/kevingranade) has joined #techrights [01:00] DaemonFC The federal government likes to push it. [01:01] Helenah US sounds backward... [01:01] Helenah They really give ZERO shits about you whatsoever [01:01] DaemonFC They use the commerce clause to declare that almost any sort of offense or regulation is in their jurisdiction because it may affect interstate commerce somehow. [01:01] DaemonFC They really give ZERO shits about you whatsoever [01:02] DaemonFC Pretty much. [01:02] Helenah Wait... so it's all money driven [01:02] Helenah the damn justice system [01:02] Helenah 100% money driven... [01:02] Helenah It's paid for in tax here... [01:02] DaemonFC The federal government tried to pass a federal gun free school zone law saying that it affected interstate commerce. [01:03] Helenah o.O [01:03] DaemonFC The Supreme Court struck that down. [01:03] Helenah How can kids learn around guns?! [01:03] Helenah Geez... seriously... [01:03] DaemonFC They use "taxation" and the commerce clause as the backbone of every law they pass. [01:03] Helenah I never had to worry about guns in my life! [01:03] Helenah And I prefer it that way... [01:03] DaemonFC If you shoot a kid, it may affect commerce! [01:03] DaemonFC :) [01:03] Helenah Why should I have to live in fear? [01:04] DaemonFC We're basically the Ferengi. [01:04] Helenah Why should kids have to struggle to learn and develop due to the fear of being shot every second of every day? [01:04] Helenah Cause that's how it will go [01:04] CrystalMath hi Helenah :) [01:04] Helenah Hi CrystalMath :D [01:05] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause#Civil_rights [01:05] TR Bot Commerce Clause - Wikipedia [01:05] TR News Links 24/08/2022: CrossOver 22.0.0 and Linux Schools Server 14.0.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/crossover-22-0-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/23/crossover-22-0-0/ [01:05] TR Bot Links 24/08/2022: CrossOver 22.0.0 and Linux Schools Server 14.0.0 | Techrights [01:05] DaemonFC "Daniel v. Paul, 395 U.S. 298 (1969), ruled that the federal government could regulate a recreational facility because three of the four items sold at its snack bar were purchased from outside the state.[19]" [01:05] Helenah I'm pretty sure crimes, rules and regulations don't affect commerce unless they involve it... [01:05] Helenah commerce... it's... [01:05] Helenah you know... [01:05] Helenah retail, etc, etc, etc [01:05] Helenah It should have NOTHING to do with the law/justice system!!! [01:05] Helenah Damn [01:05] Helenah They don't know what commerce is... [01:05] Helenah o.O [01:06] DaemonFC "Starting in 1995, the Rehnquist Court's revived federalism, as evident in its 54 decision in United States v. Lopez, enforced strict limits to congressional power under the Commerce Clause.[20] In Lopez, the Court struck down the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. It was the first time in almost 60 years that the Court had struck down a federal law for exceeding the limits of the Commerce Clause.[20] In the case, the Court was confronte [01:06] DaemonFC d with the conviction of a high school student for carrying a concealed handgun into school in violation of the act. [01:06] DaemonFC In striking down the federal law, the majority opinion explained: [01:06] DaemonFC [The Gun-Free School Zones Act] is a criminal statute that by its terms has nothing to do with "commerce" or any sort of economic enterprise, however broadly one might define those terms. [The act] is not an essential part of a larger regulation of economic activity, in which the regulatory scheme could be undercut unless the intrastate activity were regulated. It cannot, therefore, be sustained under our cases upholding regulations of [01:06] DaemonFC activities that arise out of or are connected with a commercial transaction, which viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce." [01:07] schestowitz[TR] us holy matrimony between kids and bullets [01:07] DaemonFC "Lopez was clarified by the Rehnquist Court in United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000). In Morrison, the Court invalidated 40302 of the Violence Against Women Act ("VAWA"), which created civil liability for the commission of a gender-based violent crime but without any jurisdictional requirement of a connection to interstate commerce or to commercial activity.[27]" [01:08] Helenah "violence against women act", eh? [01:08] Helenah I'm pretty sure violence affects both sexes... [01:08] heureka and children [01:08] Helenah Yep [01:08] DaemonFC Well, despite the name, it deals generally in domestic violence. [01:08] Helenah but "both sexes" covers children [01:09] techuser Helenah: we have evil SJWs [01:09] Helenah Men are victims of domestic violence too. [01:09] DaemonFC It's possible for a woman to be in trouble with it over violence against a man. [01:09] techuser they will deny violence against men, or racism against white, and so on [01:09] Helenah So the act is named fucky then, DaemonFC [01:09] DaemonFC Yeah, Joe Biden "did that". [01:09] DaemonFC To imply that only men can be violent. [01:09] DaemonFC So he could get votes. [01:10] DaemonFC Men don't vote for Democrats. [01:10] Helenah I mean Testosterone and everything, a man is most likely to go into a fight mode but erm... [01:10] DaemonFC Only about 30-35% of men vote for Democrats. [01:10] Helenah Women also have the fight or flight stress response [01:10] DaemonFC So politicians like Biden look to women for votes, by pandering, by calling men pigs. [01:10] Helenah Meaning they're capable of also behaving the same way [01:10] DaemonFC Even though he is allegedly a man. [01:10] Helenah hmm [01:10] DaemonFC Joe had to pass the Violence Against Women Act, you know. [01:11] DaemonFC To protect women from Hunter. [01:11] Helenah hmm :/ [01:11] DaemonFC :) [01:11] Helenah What's wrong with covering both and receiving votes from both cause both feel protected from each other? [01:11] Helenah "Domestic Violence Act" [01:11] heureka nowadays, it's best to stay away from women and relations with them, as far away as possible [01:11] DaemonFC Hunter Biden took a cell phone video of himself trying to pay a hooker in crack. [01:11] DaemonFC he even argued with her about how much crack the scale said was there. [01:12] DaemonFC This is the most embarrassing family member a sitting president has ever had. [01:12] DaemonFC That's after the laptop 'o child porn. [01:12] Helenah I thought him sniffing a girls neck was bad optics... [01:12] DaemonFC Remember when people thought it didn't get worse for a sitting president than to have a family member like Roger Clinton? [01:12] Helenah So he had child porn on a device? [01:12] DaemonFC They were so wrong. [01:12] Helenah And so it wasn't bad optics? [01:13] Helenah Anyone can take a picture of someone close to someone elses neck... [01:13] DaemonFC Having child porn on a laptop is pretty bad optics. [01:13] Helenah and make it look disgusting [01:13] Helenah So yeah that's why I thought "Might be bad optics" [01:13] DaemonFC That's why the media killed all of the Hunter Biden scandals leading to the election. [01:13] DaemonFC Including the Chinese business dealings. [01:13] TR News Mendy gets angry at his players after messing around with the ball for ages, basically conceding the goal all on his own. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=YeQ1zwo2a98 [01:13] Helenah Well I was meaning like... [01:13] TR Bot Leeds United 3-0 Chelsea | Premier League Highlights - Invidious [01:13] Helenah illusions with camera work [01:13] Helenah Journalists do it all the time to stir shit. [01:14] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden#Investor_and_lobbyist [01:14] Helenah So this wasn't an illusion, he probably did that? [01:14] TR Bot Hunter Biden - Wikipedia [01:14] DaemonFC "Several bank accounts linked to Hunter Biden have received $3.8 million in payments from CEFC China Energy, an oil and gas company with links to the Chinese Communist Party.[31] " [01:15] DaemonFC Hunter is currently under federal investigation for various crimes. [01:15] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy [01:15] TR Bot Hunter Biden laptop controversy - Wikipedia [01:15] Helenah But what does this have to do with Joe Biden? [01:15] *Helenah reads article [01:17] Helenah I said it [01:17] Helenah read [01:17] Helenah So Joe was protecting him [01:17] *swaggboi (~swaggboi@slackware.uk/supporter/swaggboi) has joined #techrights [01:17] Helenah Ah [01:17] Helenah Damn, that's bad. [01:18] DaemonFC He probably wishes that Hunter died and that he still had Beau Biden. [01:18] Helenah Why is my kitten not breathing... [01:18] Helenah brb [01:18] Helenah DaFuQ... [01:18] Helenah His belly ALWAYS goes up and down!!! [01:19] Helenah Not now so I er... [01:19] Helenah touched him... [01:19] Helenah He's alive... [01:19] DaemonFC https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/watch-hunter-biden-films-himself-weighing-his-crack/video/da774fbcf03650d074adb63d9a4ac173 [01:19] TR Bot WATCH: Hunter Biden films himself weighing his crack | Sky News Australia [01:19] DaemonFC https://news.yahoo.com/hunter-biden-says-smoking-crack-224548964.html [01:19] TR Bot Hunter Biden says he was 'smoking crack every 15 minutes', more jaw-dropping moments from memoir 'Beautiful Things' [01:19] Helenah filmed it... how naive can one get? [01:19] DaemonFC https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Rj9V-XjCol8 [01:19] TR Bot WATCH: Hunter Biden films himself weighing his crack - Invidious [01:19] Helenah Even a drug dealer knows not to film that... [01:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:20] starstreak its probably powdered sugar [01:20] DaemonFC 2.07 of powdered sugar [01:20] DaemonFC Damn, that's gangsta! [01:20] Helenah Depending on the drug, it might not be right for it to control the mind of someone who is running a country. [01:20] schestowitz[TR] biden laptop conyrtoversty = murdoch running interfereces for trump [01:21] schestowitz[TR] before inciting people to commit treason with a coup [01:21] schestowitz[TR] WSJ, Fox, NYP [01:21] schestowitz[TR] =Murdoch [01:21] Helenah Like I know I wouldn't wanna run a country while I got weed in my system [01:21] Helenah cause I know what weed does to me and it's not good for stuff like that [01:22] Helenah Infact it would turn me into a baffoon in power [01:23] Helenah It mongs me the hell out [01:23] Helenah My gf says that when I smoke it, I don't talk for days [01:23] TR News An Arduino controls this strange two-wheel steering e-bike | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/an-arduino-controls-this-strange-two-wheel-steering-e-bike/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/an-arduino-controls-this-strange-two-wheel-steering-e-bike/ [01:23] TR Bot An Arduino controls this strange two-wheel steering e-bike | Arduino Blog [01:23] Helenah And also don't take in what's said to me [01:24] TR News New display technology features magnetic pixels | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/new-display-technology-features-magnetic-pixels/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/08/24/new-display-technology-features-magnetic-pixels/ [01:24] TR Bot New display technology features magnetic pixels | Arduino Blog [01:24] Helenah One minute I love it, the next I'm shouting "I FUCKIN HATE WEED! HOW CAN I FUNCTION LIKE THIS?" [01:25] Helenah techrights-news: Ignored [01:25] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: muted the bot? [01:25] TR News [PATCH v2 00/10] Encrypted Hibernation - Evan Green https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220823222526.1524851-1-evgreen@chromium.org/ Source: Google | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220823222526.1524851-1-evgreen@chromium.org/ [01:25] TR Bot [PATCH v2 00/10] Encrypted Hibernation - Evan Green [01:25] starstreak Helenah, i ignored some of the bots too [01:26] Helenah starstreak: How am I supposed to communicate in this channel when the bots fill up my display with a single line of text?! [01:26] Helenah I'm trying to read what people are saying and then the bot tosses up a wall... [01:26] starstreak Helenah, exactly [01:26] Helenah Noisy bots shouldn't be in a discussion channel, just saying. [01:27] TR News "As of this moment, Mesa is now using the Mold linker in CI for faster build times. If you havent tried Mold yet, youre just pointlessly wasting your own time." https://www.supergoodcode.com/Continuous/ [01:27] TR Bot Continuous Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code. [01:27] starstreak "transparency" [01:28] starstreak you can crash one of the bots by linking the golang source code [01:29] Helenah I'm not one for using /ignore, my reason is very valid. Lets say there is a channel containing UserA, UserB, UserC, UserD and UserE.... Lets say I put UserB on ignore... lets say at some point UserA and UserB are talking to each other then it looks like UserA is talking to nobody therefore half of the conversation is missing so it gets difficult to understand UserA's [01:29] Helenah conversation because UserB is ignored. I prefer a mental ignore but it's not easy with noisy bots and plus bots don't create this problem I mentioned that happens when you /ignore humans. [01:30] starstreak you're absolutely correct [01:30] Helenah Yep [01:30] starstreak thats the same reason that i don't /ignore people but the bots aren't part of conversations [01:30] TR News (NEW): Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kubernetes_v1_25_Combiner.gmi [01:30] TR Bot Tux Machines Kubernetes v1.25: Combiner [01:31] Helenah Plus I don't wanna permanently silence people or forget that I silenced them, I like people to have a chance, it's good to observe when they have calmed down and stopped being annoying if you know what I mean. [01:31] Helenah Er.. silence was the wrong word... [01:31] Helenah Though it is a "form" of silencing I suppose... [01:31] Helenah They're silent to yourself [01:32] Helenah Duck hunt bots are annoying too. [01:32] *darwin has quit (connection closed) [01:33] Helenah I don't understand why a developer would write a game that fills up a channel with "QUACK"... [01:33] TR News "Energy costs have gone absolutely off the rails in the UK. The geopolitics of it are known, of course, but that doesn't change the domestic impact." gemini://ur.gs/blog/off-grid-in-suburbia/ [01:34] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D332.jpg [01:34] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D682.jpg [01:34] starstreak i thought of ignoring Daemon but sometimes he says some good stuff [01:34] schestowitz[TR] techrights-news is not a bot per se [01:34] Helenah Duck hunt was never a thing in the past and in the past would've filled up the tiny display resolutions that were available back then. [01:34] schestowitz[TR] and it keeps the channel on topic, more or less [01:34] schestowitz[TR] techrights-ipfs-bot is really a bot [01:34] Helenah These days people don't realise how much they have... [01:34] Helenah resource wise [01:35] schestowitz[TR] as for TechrightsBot-tr, it's a utility bot that helps you know what's linked to [01:35] Helenah They got 4K resolution and higher, they got fucktons of RAM on a single machine, etc, etc [01:35] Helenah And I feel it is turning developers into careless "take resources for granted" sloppy coders too. [01:35] schestowitz[TR] that it has a bug in its handling of very large files isn't new... it assumes certain file size limits... since over a decade ago [01:35] techuser and evil software that eats all the resources [01:35] Helenah Coding software that's heavier than it needs to be. [01:36] Helenah techuser: Yeah, my line er... covered that. [01:36] Helenah I hate it [01:36] starstreak Helenah, people in the 90s would be saying the same thing [01:36] Helenah Why does webkit needs to eat all the RAM when in the past on even less RAM it didn't? [01:36] starstreak "what, 16GB of ram, who needs that much?" [01:36] starstreak i remember when 128mb of ram was a lot [01:37] Helenah starstreak: You want to know much resources each of my IRC servers has? [01:37] Helenah I have an IRC network of 3 servers [01:37] starstreak now im using 4GB just running gnome, discord, element, vlc, keybase, etc [01:37] Helenah Each one has only 128MB RAM but is using way less [01:37] Helenah Around 64MB of it is used [01:37] Helenah single core [01:37] Helenah See? [01:37] starstreak alpine linux? [01:37] Helenah Told you, people are sloppy and take resources for granted. [01:38] Helenah and I can see them doing that when I can still run 128MB RAM single core systems... [01:38] schestowitz[TR] not just computer resources [01:38] schestowitz[TR] some people fly every month [01:38] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Devuan, sysvinit [01:38] schestowitz[TR] or flew [01:38] Helenah er... starstreak [01:38] schestowitz[TR] before it became even more of a hassle [01:38] starstreak ahhh [01:38] Helenah systemd isn't an init system, it contains one. [01:38] Helenah It has MANY functions... [01:38] schestowitz[TR] you give people a lot more space [01:38] schestowitz[TR] and they find a way to occupy it all [01:38] Helenah it tries to be "a system" in one single program suite [01:39] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Yep [01:39] Helenah And it's greed [01:39] schestowitz[TR] it takes simple programs that work and makes them complicated [01:39] schestowitz[TR] and not modular except among themselves [01:39] Helenah Many friends who have been like "I got 32GB RAM" for example... [01:39] schestowitz[TR] systemd is modular in the ccontext of systemd [01:39] Helenah I say "And I bet you never used it up" [01:39] starstreak why does element and discord need to have their own instances of electron [01:39] Helenah They say "No, I've yet to do it" [01:40] Helenah so then my mind is like "So why spend all that cash on resources you don't need then?" [01:40] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Energy prices are falling again here. [01:40] schestowitz[TR] they then le;ave like 100 tabs open [01:40] Helenah The resources will die of old age before it's well used... [01:40] DaemonFC I just filled up for $3.95 a gallon. Why am I happy about this? [01:40] schestowitz[TR] and cannot even find which one is which [01:40] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: My web browser is closed to save on resources. [01:40] schestowitz[TR] same here, partly [01:40] Helenah The only thing I got open is my WM and a terminal emulator. [01:40] schestowitz[TR] I used to use 4 browsers, now 3 [01:41] schestowitz[TR] usually only falkon runs [01:41] Helenah "4 browsers", what? [01:41] DaemonFC I have NoScript to deal with most of the JavaShit garbage. [01:41] schestowitz[TR] konqueror, librewold, ff, and falkon [01:41] Helenah o.O [01:41] DaemonFC The stuff mjg59_ was praising for "security". [01:41] Helenah Damn... [01:41] Helenah So you use KDE? [01:41] Helenah Each to their own but no thanks [01:41] schestowitz[TR] nobody is perfect [01:41] DaemonFC Just because people have chosen to expose a JavaShit engine to the Web doesn't mean it's safe to do that. [01:41] starstreak I use gnome and brave [01:42] DaemonFC It just means that's what people are doing. [01:42] Helenah How I see it is I don't need to use a fuckton of resources to for example type a document, but if KDE is running and a word processor at the same time then more resources than needed is used to write that document. [01:42] Helenah Speaking of word processors though [01:42] Helenah I don't use them, I use TeX in vim [01:42] DaemonFC It's like when I was contemplating suicide so I got drunk and had sex with someone I didn't know the 3rd day at the hotel. [01:42] Helenah That's how I even wrote my CV [01:42] DaemonFC It wasn't safe, I just didn't care. [01:43] heureka TeX is a problem too nowadays [01:43] Helenah heureka: It is? [01:43] starstreak I wrote my resume in markdown before but now I'm just lazy and use libreoffice [01:43] DaemonFC A lot of life is where your mind is at, at that moment. [01:43] heureka Helenah: don't recall all details, first and foremost i couldn't find a suitable TeX distribution anymore which did pass all testing here [01:43] CrystalMath starstreak: TeX or gtfo [01:43] CrystalMath (just kidding) [01:43] starstreak fuck TeX [01:43] starstreak lol [01:43] Helenah heureka: Interesting, no problem with it here. [01:44] CrystalMath it's very elitist [01:44] DaemonFC I never really understood as a child how horrible the tragedy of my Aunt was. She never cleaned the house. It was all under 6 laywer of trash. If they got their hand dirty while they were eating, they wiped it on the carpet. [01:44] Helenah I am NOT a level 0 peasant, CrystalMath ! [01:44] Helenah But then you know that... [01:44] DaemonFC They would dump their tampons in a corner in the bathroom. [01:44] CrystalMath i kinda like TeX, but i sometimes joke about how elitist it is [01:44] Helenah lol [01:44] starstreak vim is pretty elitist [01:44] DaemonFC The fixtures were broken and she put a wrench on the faucet to replace the handle. [01:45] CrystalMath starstreak: vim is just very convenient [01:45] Helenah Idk I just use what I'm used to... [01:45] Helenah What I like [01:45] heureka TeX and it's dependencies are cluttered all over the place too nowadays [01:45] DaemonFC The shower curtain fell off and nobody ever put it on so they just showered with no curtain until the wall had a hole in it big enough to see through into the kitchen. [01:45] starstreak CrystalMath, i just use nano [01:45] CrystalMath vim users don't look down upon others [01:45] Helenah It's not about putting myself above others and claiming my ways are superior. [01:45] TR News When servers were still being REBRANDED as "clown" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xie6CrhI8Aw [01:45] TR Bot Ian Murdock - Sun's new VP of Cloud Strategy - Invidious [01:45] heureka and the TeX distribtions blew up in size excessively [01:45] CrystalMath starstreak: i use emacs with evil-mode [01:45] DaemonFC The kitchen caught fire and the insurance company wrote her a check. They spent the check going to Disney world and left the fire damage. [01:45] CrystalMath emulating vim [01:45] CrystalMath :P [01:45] starstreak lol [01:45] Helenah heureka: Why are you installing the full distribution? [01:45] Helenah Install what you need. [01:45] DaemonFC I mean, after Keith left and got that "sex change", she was never the same again. [01:45] heureka that's why i am curious about neatroff for example [01:46] DaemonFC What kind of a person does that to his two daughters? [01:46] Helenah If you need a banana, you don't claim the monkey and the jungle with it, do you? [01:46] heureka Helenah: i didn't install any TeX distribution anymore at all [01:46] Helenah Whos is keith, DaemonFC ? [01:46] starstreak oooof, DaemonFC is being transphobic again [01:46] DaemonFC She just fell into a deep depression and never came out of it, for over twenty years, and then she died in a horrific car accident. [01:46] Helenah I wouldn't know if that's transphobia myself... [01:47] Helenah I never really spoke to DaemonFC until now... [01:47] heureka don't recall all details, as i explained, i hammered an acceptance criteria into stone, which is gcc47 c-only toolchain, and no c++ [01:47] heureka and none of the TeX distributions passed this anymore [01:47] Helenah So what caused the depression, DaemonFC ? [01:47] DaemonFC Keith ditching his entire family, telling the girls to call him mom, and having a sex change operation. [01:47] heureka then, tried TeTeX from year 2006, and had trouble with the configure.ac autotools magic which failed for no obvious reason [01:47] DaemonFC That's when she fell into the funk and started ruining her house. [01:47] heureka the previous TeTeX maintainer gave up year 2006 iirc [01:48] Helenah heureka: You mean LaTeX or is that not a mistake? [01:48] starstreak Helenah, hes dead naming the trans woman [01:48] heureka no, i didn't mean LaTeX [01:48] Helenah starstreak: Yeah but what I mean is... [01:48] DaemonFC Everyone calls Keith Keith. [01:48] DaemonFC Including his daughters. [01:49] Helenah I'm not sure if it was a lack of education/understanding or transphobia... [01:49] heureka as said, none of the TeX distributions passed acceptance criteria anymore [01:49] starstreak Keith never changed her name? [01:49] techuser Helenah: btw may want to bring Luis64_gamer here (actually, bring back, since he used to be here earlier), as he did mention some planned obsolescence things in PM for me [01:49] DaemonFC Not legally, no. [01:49] techuser I did tell him, idk if he appears [01:49] DaemonFC At the time, no psychiatrist would allow him to get the sex change. [01:49] Helenah techuser: Ah [01:49] DaemonFC They all said he was not a candidate, including the centers in the US that performed those. [01:49] DaemonFC So he went and did it in Canada. [01:50] Helenah Why is not having their name changed legally a reason to dead name them? [01:50] DaemonFC He was dating another woman after he left my Aunt and before he did all of this. [01:50] Helenah you aunt? [01:50] DaemonFC And my Aunt came over to his apartment for something and they ended up having sex. [01:50] Helenah You know each other irl? [01:50] DaemonFC And this girlfriend of his walked in. [01:50] DaemonFC And that's when something inside his brain just snapped and he decided to become a woman. [01:51] DaemonFC I don't believe he's trans and none of the psychiatrists do either. [01:51] Helenah starstreak: DaemonFC "may" be telling the truth... I do not know... [01:51] starstreak I got approved by psychiatrists but it sounds like gatekeeping [01:51] DaemonFC This was never typical behavior for him well into his 30s, and then all of a sudden.... [01:51] Helenah I do not really know DaemonFC and I do not know this "apparent" trans person either. [01:51] Helenah And to be honest it's er... [01:52] Helenah Probably best for me not to know maybe [01:52] DaemonFC He always had weird personality quirks. Especially dietary habits. [01:52] starstreak Helenah, hes said "men who wear dresses" before [01:52] Helenah seems as I'm getting conflicting stories from two people. [01:52] DaemonFC He would not eat rice because it "reminded him of maggots". [01:52] DaemonFC No salad dressing on any salads. [01:52] Helenah starstreak: Oh [01:52] DaemonFC Every pizza had to be pepperoni and nothing else. [01:52] Helenah What in this discussion? [01:52] Helenah I didn't see that. [01:52] starstreak Helenah, a few weeks ago, maybe a few months [01:52] DaemonFC When the divorce happened, my aunt said "We are never having another pepperoni pizza in this house again.". [01:53] DaemonFC You could order anything else you wanted, but never a pepperoni (only), because that's all he allowed. [01:53] Helenah Er... [01:53] DaemonFC You can make the joke, "No sausage.". [01:53] Helenah Okies I don't know what to make of this... er okies er... lol [01:54] Helenah I'm gonna like... er... lol keep out of this I think... o.o [01:54] DaemonFC I'm just glad that nothing in my life has ever struck me down with depression like what that did to my Aunt. [01:54] DaemonFC I guess I took the long way around. [01:54] DaemonFC Keith really did hurt himself in a lot of ways. [01:55] DaemonFC He lied on his taxes for years and now can't draw Social Security. [01:55] *Helenah sighs [01:55] TR News Back when "Linux" was a community, not frauds like "Linux" [sic] Foundation https://marc.merlins.org/linux/lwce_summer2000/Day3/Showfloor.html [01:55] TR Bot LinuxWorld Convention & Expo Summer 2000: Day 3: Showfloor [01:55] Helenah You're gonna keep talking about it anyway so erm... [01:55] DaemonFC He hurt himself in his shop and tried to file for Disability and they said he had no earnings record. [01:55] Helenah The important part to me now is... [01:55] Helenah Before they... er... [01:55] Helenah claimed they're a woman [01:55] Helenah So please, forget the woman bit for now... [01:55] DaemonFC So he asked them to give him money based on my Aunt's record, and they told him "You weren't married for 10 years. You were short by two months.". [01:55] Helenah Before then... [01:55] Helenah Any mental health conditions? [01:56] Helenah Any weird behaviours, things like that? [01:56] DaemonFC Any mental health conditions? [01:56] Helenah Cause like... You clearly want me to know the full story... [01:56] Helenah DaemonFC: Yes... [01:56] *starstreak ducks out because this might become triggering [01:56] Helenah o.o [01:56] Helenah Like schizophrenia, autism, adhd, ocd, etc [01:56] starstreak back to star trek generations [01:56] Helenah Anything [01:56] DaemonFC My mom came back to the apartment that Keith and my Aunt had in Kokomo years before they had kids. [01:57] DaemonFC They were going out to eat, and my Aunt asked mom to go get something from the apartment. [01:57] DaemonFC Mom said she walked in and found Keith wearing one of my Aunt's dresses. [01:57] DaemonFC He made her swear she'd never say anything about it. [01:57] Helenah That's apparently common with trans people to at first wear whatever article of clothing they can get their hands on even if it's out of a family members wardrobe and often done privately too... [01:58] DaemonFC How horrible, though. [01:58] DaemonFC To have kids and then put them through that. [01:58] Helenah I don't think it's as simple as you make it out to be though... [01:58] DaemonFC If he already figured he wanted to "be a woman". [01:58] TR News A history of Slackware development - T-DOSE 2009 by Eric Hameleers (alienbob) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Xh2eah5L4b8 oldest living GNU/Linux distro [01:58] TR Bot A history of Slackware development - T-DOSE 2009 by Eric Hameleers (alienbob) - Invidious [01:58] DaemonFC Why was he putting my aunt through that? [01:58] DaemonFC Why would he have kids and then bail and leave her to raise them as a single mom when they were 2? [01:59] DaemonFC What an asshole. [01:59] Helenah There is the shame part of it too that well regardless of being trans or not, if you are made to feel ashamed of something then you bury it deep inside... [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 11.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 87.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 108.86 [01:59] DaemonFC And I'm the villain for "deadnaming". LOL [01:59] Helenah And it can take like... [01:59] Helenah DECADES for one to finally out what's inside of them... [01:59] Helenah and by that point a lot has already gone on in their lives... [01:59] starstreak DaemonFC, you're a villain because you're putting all this selfish blame on him when he was trying to come out [01:59] Helenah that messes in life happen... [01:59] starstreak s/he/she [01:59] DaemonFC He should have done it before he had kids. [01:59] DaemonFC Or before he decided to get married! ● Aug 24 [02:00] starstreak its not always known before [02:00] DaemonFC She could have married someone decent and had a nice life. [02:00] starstreak i was 34 when i figured it out [02:00] Helenah DaemonFC: Did you listen to what I said though? [02:00] starstreak i was married too [02:00] Helenah About the shame? [02:00] DaemonFC What about what he put them through? [02:00] starstreak being her authentic self? [02:00] DaemonFC I was furious when he came to my Aunt's funeral. [02:00] Helenah This is going to be hard for the kids, yes [02:00] Helenah but... [02:00] Helenah the "shame" thing I said [02:01] DaemonFC If he wasn't a sick old man on oxygen I could have knocked him into next week for having the nerve to show up and sit next to the casket. [02:01] Helenah They may have thought they would've never been able to come out... [02:01] DaemonFC Introducing himself as her ex. [02:01] starstreak ok im leaving for real because im trans and this conversation is very triggering for me [02:01] Helenah and therefore just... got on with life... you know? [02:01] Helenah starstreak: Wait... I'm sorry! :'( [02:01] starstreak Helenah, its not you [02:01] Helenah starstreak: Please forgive me... [02:01] Helenah Phew... [02:02] starstreak actually im just gonna temp ignore him [02:02] starstreak DaemonFC!*@* added to ignore list. [02:02] DaemonFC I'm not anti-trans, I just don't like Keith in particular. [02:02] schestowitz[TR] join the club [02:02] DaemonFC That's triggered Garrett too. [02:02] starstreak lol [02:02] schestowitz[TR] the "ignore DaemonFC " club [02:02] Helenah er.. [02:03] DaemonFC We've gotten to the point in our society where if you don't like an individual who has a characteristic, it makes you a bigot. [02:03] DaemonFC Even if you have legitimate reasons to dislike them. [02:03] starstreak im surprised he hasnt been banned for his conduct already [02:03] starstreak hes constantly saying racist things too [02:03] DaemonFC So everyone figures that out and hides behind it. [02:03] starstreak "i cant be racist, i have a non white partner" [02:04] DaemonFC I'm in an interracial gay marriage and there's a lot of other things that a lot of people wouldn't like about me. [02:04] DaemonFC I'm sure if they try really hard, they can hate me for some legitimate reason though. [02:04] starstreak he literally derailed a tech convo about resources with his transphobic nonsense [02:04] DaemonFC I believe in them! [02:05] Helenah DaemonFC: It isn't not liking an individual that makes you a bigot, it's expressing your dislike towards the individual which then touches that individuals emotions. [02:05] Helenah You can dislike who you want. [02:06] Helenah Doesn't mean you have you outwardly speak it though. [02:06] DaemonFC I thought he put my Aunt through every worldly indignity possible but then he crashed her funeral too. [02:06] Helenah There is such a thing as common sense. [02:07] DaemonFC She was a good person. The world destroys good people. [02:07] DaemonFC It's almost like a bloodsport. [02:08] DaemonFC The depression was one aspect. And like I said, I never really understood it. It's like living in Hell forever, by choice. [02:08] TR News "Some of the people travelling to this years Berlin Mini GUADEC were delayed by the massive heatwave, because train tracks on the way could not handle the heat." https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2022/08/24/post-collapse-computing-1/ [02:08] TR Bot Post Collapse Computing Part 1: The Crisis is Here Space and Meaning [02:09] DaemonFC Aside from the police trying to drive me to kill myself, I wouldn't have lost one minute of sleep over John. [02:09] DaemonFC But even with them, I've never descended into absolute madness that's gone on for more than a few weeks. [02:10] TR News "Staring at the tiny screen of a smartphone for long hours can cause eye fatigue at best and irreversible eye damage at worst." Missing suggestion: quit using these lousy 'computers', use something more adequate. https://www.maketecheasier.com/protect-eyes-when-using-smartphone/ [02:10] TR Bot How to Protect Your Eyes When Using a Smartphone - Make Tech Easier [02:10] DaemonFC Like schizophrenia, autism, adhd, ocd, etc [02:10] schestowitz[TR] "i'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take it anymore!!!' [02:10] DaemonFC They use all of those diagnoses because they don't know what they're doing. [02:10] DaemonFC The psychiatrists don't. They're bullshit artists. Good ones, too. [02:11] schestowitz[TR] Great depressio part II [02:11] schestowitz[TR] coming to you soon, 100 years later [02:11] DaemonFC I've been diagnosed with about half the things in their book. [02:11] Helenah People who support free speech think they NEED to say something when in actuality they WANT to say something and then will try justifying what they said as something they needed to say... [02:11] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], They don't know. They're guessing at names they invented for things they invented. [02:12] DaemonFC Everyone wants to be fucking crazy all of a sudden. [02:12] DaemonFC It's fashionable. [02:12] DaemonFC "I'm neurodivergent!" *chuckles* [02:12] Helenah So you think my Autism is a fashion? [02:12] *DaemonFC takes pictures of all the pills, posts them to Reddit [02:12] DaemonFC So you think my Autism is a fashion? [02:12] DaemonFC No, I mean, like.... [02:13] DaemonFC When they've been committed a couple of times. [02:13] DaemonFC They can come back and tell me how much they enjoy being "neurodivergent". (crazy) [02:13] DaemonFC Because when you're talking to someone who has been a repeat victim of psychiatrists, you must be this tall to ride. [02:13] Helenah neurodivergence != crazy [02:14] Helenah It = neurologically wired non-typically [02:14] DaemonFC I have fucking had it.....with psychiatrists telling me what I will never do. [02:14] Helenah I'm not NT either but I'm not crazy. [02:14] DaemonFC You know, they even said they'd be surprised if I could ever count change. [02:14] DaemonFC Most people in their 20s can't do that. You give me some change, I'll cash you out in 2 seconds flat. [02:15] Helenah DaemonFC: Yeah my psychiatrist said the same thing but I was diagnosed at age 14 [02:15] DaemonFC It's like basic shit, you know. People are losing the ability to tie their fucking shoes. [02:15] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: I told you that "bot" was more on-topic than most [02:15] DaemonFC And I'm going to be insulted by this guy? [02:15] Helenah A pediatric psychiatrist can't always know how someone will be as an adult. [02:15] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Lol yeah :D [02:15] DaemonFC DaemonFC: Yeah my psychiatrist said the same thing but I was diagnosed at age 14 [02:15] schestowitz[TR] after 14+ years we're stiull here in IRC [02:16] DaemonFC The school made my parents take me to child psychiatrists when I was 6. [02:16] schestowitz[TR] with a nazi from germany, a gay transphob from IL, and people who would not get along [02:16] schestowitz[TR] but we all share an interest in tech [02:16] DaemonFC Dr. Vance Maloney [02:16] Helenah If you think agr 14 is late for diagnosis then look into Autistic women, they usually get diagnosed at age 14+ while men at age 7- [02:16] Helenah *age [02:17] Helenah They're expected to be socially sophisticated. [02:17] DaemonFC I remember his name because on the way to see him I was like "Vance Maloney, full 'a boloney! Vance Maloney, full 'a boloney!". [02:17] DaemonFC Which isn't bad for a 6 year old, right? [02:17] Helenah Are you a person who sees all doctors as bad? [02:17] DaemonFC https://www.taylor.edu/employees/faculty/vance-maloney [02:17] TR Bot Vance Maloney | Taylor University [02:18] DaemonFC There he is. [02:18] Helenah hmm [02:19] DaemonFC Are you a person who sees all doctors as bad? [02:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [02:20] DaemonFC No, just the hacks. [02:20] Helenah This one is mine, DaemonFC https://media-exp1.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E03AQHBTiYJIdcfHg/profile-displayphoto-shrink_200_200/0/1516331250843?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=y7D_QuoFVH2JWKrerg4SlVOR9DUoeXcj4z-oqCNztd0 [02:20] Helenah Was mine even [02:21] *scientes (~d839d5c2@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [02:21] scientes XRevan86 have you ever coded ARM thumb code? [02:24] Helenah DaemonFC: So how do I know you can actually manage money? What if your psychiatrist was actually right and that you "think" you can handle money when in reality you're not handling it very well? [02:24] scientes I assume the link register is just a normal register, so I could use it to do coroutines [02:24] Helenah If you "think" you can handle it properly then you will tell people you can manage money. [02:25] DaemonFC The only reason I went bankrupt was because of the disaster that my ex caused. [02:25] scientes there are a bunch of namedregisters, but on the pc is truly special [02:25] DaemonFC A horrible disaster that nobody else would have made it out of. [02:25] Helenah DaemonFC: This trans woman who I seem to only know as "Keith"? [02:26] DaemonFC Oh I can't remember what he calls himself now. [02:26] DaemonFC Something that begins with J. [02:26] Helenah Okies [02:26] DaemonFC Jennifer or Jessica, it's one of those I think. [02:26] *scientes has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [02:26] Helenah So why do you think that you ex is the reason why you fucked up your money? [02:26] Helenah *your [02:27] Helenah Why can't you manage your own money without allowing others to interfere? [02:27] DaemonFC Well, at that point I had to hire a psychiatrist, move out, live in motels for over 2 years. [02:27] DaemonFC Figure out how to pay immigration lawyers and fees. [02:27] Helenah Oh yeah I remember you saying now. [02:28] DaemonFC It was just so many things at once, and mine was the only income. [02:28] DaemonFC Immigration would have never heard our case. [02:28] Helenah But again... this story just doesn't idk... lol It's like.. I'm hearing a one-sided argument and no input from the other side becase well they're gone and then hearing bits and pieces from other people who are IRC users and have nothing to do with that persons real life. [02:28] DaemonFC They would have said we had barely any money and denied even hearing it. [02:28] DaemonFC I lied to MARISOL and implied that I was just shy of being able to support our household. [02:29] DaemonFC When I was actually a lot shy. [02:29] DaemonFC She figured that she could extort him once he began working. [02:29] schestowitz[TR] what household? [02:29] schestowitz[TR] she could be in the streets soon [02:29] schestowitz[TR] with debt [02:29] DaemonFC So she kept her mouth shut for a while and by the time she tried to get his money from his job, once they granted him permission, I told her "No.". [02:29] schestowitz[TR] hosueholds are relative [02:30] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I had to bootstrap our case with her promising to support him. [02:30] schestowitz[TR] our households is cheap to sustain [02:30] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: She might be on the streets now hence why she didn't come back here. [02:30] schestowitz[TR] like under $1000 [02:30] DaemonFC By the time she hired an attorney to undo that, it didn't matter anymore because he was working, and our combined income was high enough. [02:30] DaemonFC She thinks she's smarter than everyone else. [02:30] DaemonFC She was really going crazy when I told her to fuck off. [02:31] Helenah So why tell her to fuck off then if she's going crazy? How does that help a person recover from craziness? [02:31] Helenah Surely a person going crazy needs psychiatrist help, no? [02:31] DaemonFC I don't care about her mental health. [02:31] Helenah How do I know you're not the selfish one in all this? [02:31] Helenah See? [02:31] Helenah You are the selfish one! [02:31] Helenah :D [02:32] schestowitz[TR] She was really going crazy when I told her to fuck off. [02:32] schestowitz[TR] she cannot GO crazy [02:32] schestowitz[TR] she IS crazy [02:32] Helenah You call her crazy so you're admitting they're off their head and you don't care about their mental health? [02:32] DaemonFC When she was harassing us by telephone, I changed our phone numbers. [02:32] Helenah How can you be with someone and just let them suffer like that? [02:32] Helenah You act the victim in all this... [02:32] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I meant, she was lashing out irrationally over the phone. [02:32] DaemonFC In all sorts of weird ways. [02:32] Helenah How do I know she isn't partly victim too? [02:32] DaemonFC She was harassing us over those fake texting things online. [02:32] DaemonFC After I blocked her number. [02:33] DaemonFC So I changed our numbers. [02:33] Helenah And why does not liking someone individually justifying being transphobic to them? [02:33] Helenah You said you didn't mind trans people just hated her... [02:33] Helenah So if you aren't transphobic... then why be that to particular individuals? [02:33] Helenah You could've said any insult but why that? [02:33] DaemonFC Keith? Because of the way he treated my Aunt and my cousins? Absolutely unforgivable. [02:33] DaemonFC They don't even like him. [02:34] Helenah But you said they have poor mental health... [02:34] Helenah People can behave insane when they have mental health issues... [02:34] DaemonFC I said he really messed his kids up. [02:34] DaemonFC Traumatized them. [02:34] Helenah And such people need help from the hospital [02:34] DaemonFC To say nothing of the depression, the other kids making fun of them. [02:34] DaemonFC Parents should suffer for their kids. [02:34] Helenah I think you just make things all about you and your family. [02:34] DaemonFC Not the other way around. [02:34] DaemonFC If you can't, then don't have them. [02:34] Helenah And refuse to look into why someone else is behaving the way they are... [02:35] Helenah You call them crazy, you don't state the cause... [02:35] schestowitz[TR] You call her crazy so you're admitting they're off their head and you don't care about their mental health? [02:35] schestowitz[TR] there's more to it [02:35] schestowitz[TR] I have heard about it for over a year [02:35] Helenah hmm [02:35] schestowitz[TR] she was abusing them really badly [02:35] Helenah Ah [02:35] schestowitz[TR] and apparently defrauding, scheming to kill her own borther [02:35] schestowitz[TR] for money [02:35] DaemonFC Yes! [02:36] DaemonFC The fake insurance policy she forged his name on. [02:36] schestowitz[TR] that's not crazy I can have sympathy for [02:36] DaemonFC For a million dollars. [02:36] DaemonFC She even lied on his medical history. [02:36] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Did you know that... in a UK court... you can be let off with crime on the grounds of "insanity"? You want to know why that is? Because it's a valid reason why people might do terrible, terrible things... [02:36] Helenah So why was this not brought up with any professional person? [02:36] Helenah And dealt with 100% by DaemonFC's family? [02:36] DaemonFC The police ignored me and wouldn'y take my report. [02:36] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: it still endangers the public [02:37] DaemonFC I essentially have no family that will help me. [02:37] schestowitz[TR] that's why ther public might be better off with some of them locked up [02:37] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Yeah and in the UK you can be sectioned too if a danger to the public. [02:37] schestowitz[TR] people who can commit mass murder [02:37] DaemonFC Helenah, They're either dead or have disowned me, or broke and can't help. [02:37] DaemonFC So I'm on my own. [02:37] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: People can claim murder on the grounds of insanity too [02:38] Helenah and it would be seen as a public health risk. [02:38] Helenah but the insanity would be taken into consideration at the same time. [02:38] DaemonFC Yeah, it's better to claim some sort of diminished capacity. [02:38] Helenah I'm not talking about using it as an excuse... [02:38] DaemonFC They drove you to the point where you may have been somewhat responsible, but it wasn't cold blooded. [02:38] Helenah people who work in the justice system can tell if someone is lying... [02:38] DaemonFC Even Hans Reiser managed that. [02:39] DaemonFC people who work in the justice system can tell if someone is lying... [02:39] DaemonFC That's not true. [02:39] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-230822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-230822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-230822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-230822.txt [02:39] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 [02:39] DaemonFC If you have to lie, lie like you have nothing invested in it. [02:40] DaemonFC People who get emotional about lying have tells. [02:40] DaemonFC The tells are how other people end up being onto them. [02:40] Helenah Except... [02:40] Helenah When I've read about such tells in the past... [02:40] TR News Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-230822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-230822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-230822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-230822.txt [02:40] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 [02:40] Helenah They also manifest in my social awkwardness [02:41] Helenah So no... you can't see that to claim someone is lying. [02:41] Helenah When they could simply be socially awkward. [02:41] DaemonFC Most ways people get caught doing something are by being careless. [02:41] DaemonFC Leaving a lot of evidence. [02:41] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-230822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-230822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-230822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-230822.txt [02:41] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 [02:42] Helenah I wonder if they'd have to record me? [02:42] Helenah I know they do with my gf... [02:42] Helenah She's got Schizophrenia [02:42] Helenah the police for example are only allowed to interview her behind a camera but not be in the room with her. [02:42] DaemonFC Like, someone gets killed and the police don't have any physical evidence. They know you didn't like the person. [02:42] DaemonFC What do they do? [02:42] TR News Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-230822.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-230822.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-230822.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-230822.txt [02:42] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 [02:42] Helenah They did nothing... [02:42] DaemonFC They go arrest you and question you and lead you into admitting it. [02:42] Helenah Their laptop was confiscated... [02:43] Helenah Came back clean [02:43] Helenah But... [02:43] Helenah they interviewed her too [02:43] Helenah and they said that cause of her Schizophrenia diagnosis, they're not allowed to be in the room with her and so it has to be done via camera and mic. [02:43] DaemonFC Most criminals get caught by lack of planning and being stupid and leaving all kinds of evidence. [02:44] DaemonFC Also, not knowing what the laws are sets you back terribly. [02:44] DaemonFC If you look at the law, really read what it says, you may find ways to work around it. [02:44] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-08-23.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-08-23.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:44] Helenah DaemonFC: Here you go https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/wp-content/uploads/the-welfare-of-vulnerable-people-in-police-custody.pdf [02:45] Helenah The camera and mic is one of the welfare's [02:45] DaemonFC The cops here like "vulnerable" people. [02:45] DaemonFC Mentally retarded people. Crazy people. [02:45] DaemonFC They can pin all sorts of things on them. [02:45] DaemonFC Even get them to admit it all. [02:45] DaemonFC :) [02:46] Helenah You see lets say someone is socially awkward, they need space when you speak with them, you shouldn't be in the same room as them, looking at them, being close to them at a table, etc. [02:46] DaemonFC Their favorite is arresting people who don't even speak English and getting a full written confession in English, with perfect grammar and punctuation. [02:46] DaemonFC Waukegan Police Special [02:46] Helenah It can make the awkwardness worse [02:46] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], ^ [02:46] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: i don't trust cops here [02:46] schestowitz[TR] and they are not even as ruthless as the met [02:46] Helenah Yeh, they sound full on corrupt [02:47] Helenah Here I wouldn't say they're corrupt as such but what I would say is they're underfunded and that can affect their er... work quality. [02:47] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [02:47] schestowitz[TR] which part of england? [02:48] schestowitz[TR] i have a cop friend [02:48] schestowitz[TR] who confesses to mdoing illegal things [02:48] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Manchester met police, lancashire constabulary. [02:48] schestowitz[TR] like hitting people at the neck [02:48] schestowitz[TR] to neutralise them [02:48] Helenah Those are the only two I know [02:48] Helenah They two have their own funding pots [02:48] Helenah I wrote a program [02:48] Helenah that will list the police forces in the country [02:48] schestowitz[TR] i am in manc also [02:49] schestowitz[TR] https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/04/14/police-protection/ [02:49] TR Bot Blog Archive Why I Believe British Police Serves and Protects Only Itself (and Maybe the Rich/Powerful) [02:49] Helenah Yeah, the tories keep cutting the met police. [02:49] Helenah Which er... [02:49] Helenah makes the quality of the force not good [02:49] schestowitz[TR] iirc, no encounters with police since ther above [02:49] schestowitz[TR] so nothing to update with [02:49] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: They know I smoke weed. [02:49] schestowitz[TR] if cops come knocking for info... [02:49] schestowitz[TR] ...no thanks, didn't heard nuthin' [02:50] Helenah They said I am allowed to smoke weed and that it's fine, schestowitz[TR] [02:50] Helenah I er... [02:50] Helenah Told them some things when I was raped [02:50] *souseksi (~souseksi@z4erpfet58qwy.irc) has joined #techrights [02:50] starstreak weed is legal in canada [02:50] Helenah I was honest that I smoke weed anyway despite them forcing me to smoke it. [02:50] schestowitz[TR] hi souseksi [02:50] Helenah And they said smoking weed is fine [02:50] Helenah Told you they don't enforce that law [02:50] Helenah I confirmed it [02:50] souseksi Hello [02:51] starstreak i can't smoke weed anymore though, it makes me paranoid [02:51] Helenah starstreak: It's illegal here [02:51] schestowitz[TR] i think pot is class a now [02:51] Helenah but illegal =! enforced [02:51] schestowitz[TR] our neighbours smoke that shit [02:51] schestowitz[TR] smells bad [02:51] schestowitz[TR] i opened the door just now [02:51] Helenah Illegal just means wrote in law to be illegal [02:51] Helenah enforced means the written laws are carried out [02:51] schestowitz[TR] nobody smokes anything at 3am [02:52] Helenah Pot is class A? [02:52] Helenah You won't like this but... [02:52] Helenah I can understand why they changed it to that... [02:52] schestowitz[TR] the closest i got to narcotics was in medical procedure [02:52] Helenah Because... [02:52] schestowitz[TR] they made me more friendly [02:52] Helenah I've heard big week smokers tell me I'm smoking the wrong stuff [02:52] Helenah I've been smoking it since I was 19 [02:52] schestowitz[TR] but pain relievers really [02:52] Helenah many many different strains [02:53] Helenah both hybrid and non-bybrid [02:53] Helenah Seriously... it debilitates me [02:53] Helenah So if it debilitates me then I won't be the only one it does it to [02:53] schestowitz[TR] i like reading [02:53] schestowitz[TR] and writing [02:53] schestowitz[TR] no need for booze [02:53] DaemonFC I smoked pot when it was illegal. [02:53] DaemonFC Just because I could. [02:53] Helenah I used to want it to be legal, schestowitz[TR] [02:53] DaemonFC Now that it's legal, it's like who cares. [02:53] DaemonFC It's everywhere. [02:53] schestowitz[TR] you can have booze [02:54] schestowitz[TR] it's cheaper too, i think [02:54] Helenah Not when driving though [02:54] schestowitz[TR] bad on the liver [02:54] DaemonFC People who aren't particularly clever can go buy it. [02:54] Helenah which I agree with that law [02:54] DaemonFC It FUNDS the state. Fuck the state. [02:54] schestowitz[TR] 2l; bottle of chemical cider is still like one pound fifty [02:54] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], The beatings will continue until morale improves! [02:54] Helenah Yeah it's ridiculous [02:54] Helenah My step dad drank that nightly [02:54] DaemonFC Pritzker seems to think this is fine. [02:55] Helenah It fucked his liver [02:55] Helenah And he was like "Bah, it won't fuck up again" [02:55] schestowitz[TR] it would [02:55] Helenah started again [02:55] Helenah It was the second time he ended up in hospital that... [02:55] Helenah it became lasered into his brain that it will fuck him up each time... [02:55] Helenah He got scared and quit [02:55] schestowitz[TR] good [02:55] Helenah But after the first time he ended up in hospital [02:56] Helenah My mother was like "Don't do that again" [02:56] schestowitz[TR] permanent damage [02:56] Helenah What did he do? He went to the park to drink it [02:56] schestowitz[TR] quitting =damage control [02:56] schestowitz[TR] same with smoking [02:56] Helenah But my mother is a very tolerant person [02:56] Helenah anyone else, he'd be out [02:56] Helenah My mother even gave my biological father a second chance when he had an affair [02:56] schestowitz[TR] alcohol is in our culture [02:57] Helenah But my biological father blew the chance [02:57] schestowitz[TR] the worker class was given booze to cope with hard life [02:57] Helenah but he's a whackjob anyway, my step father is nice. [02:57] schestowitz[TR] the pubs [02:57] Helenah Yeah [02:57] schestowitz[TR] btw, covid i view similarly [02:57] Helenah I drink caffe corretto [02:57] schestowitz[TR] fucks you ujp each time you get it [02:57] Helenah I'm single vaccinated, schestowitz[TR] [02:57] schestowitz[TR] still undecided on damage done by synthetic covid [02:57] Helenah and had covid afterwards [02:58] schestowitz[TR] depends on which maker, too [02:58] Helenah Well [02:58] Helenah I'm single vaxxed cause [02:58] Helenah the vaccine fucked me up... [02:58] Helenah I was almost dead... [02:58] schestowitz[TR] now they want to press reset and do another round of 60 million shots [02:58] Helenah It almost killed me [02:58] schestowitz[TR] for "omicron" [02:58] schestowitz[TR] all my close friends took the shots [02:58] Helenah I don't want anymore vaccinations, schestowitz[TR] [02:58] Helenah I'm terrified :'( [02:59] schestowitz[TR] all of them had bnad things to say [02:59] schestowitz[TR] they re not cranks [02:59] Helenah My heart hasn't been the same since... [02:59] schestowitz[TR] very well edeucated [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 22.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 165.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 120.63 [02:59] schestowitz[TR] one pro/lecturer [02:59] Helenah The vaccine fucked my heart... [02:59] schestowitz[TR] *prof [02:59] DaemonFC I am a Doctor of Divinity. [02:59] schestowitz[TR] the other has 3 masters degrees, world champion for atheletics [02:59] DaemonFC It's true! [02:59] schestowitz[TR] it did him a lot of damage ● Aug 24 [03:00] Helenah And yet I get covid... [03:00] Helenah and it's extremely mild [03:00] schestowitz[TR] now they call everyone "antivaxxers" [03:00] Helenah and my body fights it off in 2 days [03:00] schestowitz[TR] even people who take it [03:00] schestowitz[TR] if they don't like it [03:00] Helenah I'd rather just get covid, schestowitz[TR] [03:00] DaemonFC The Universal Life Church pretty much just gives away honorary titles. [03:00] Helenah I prefer to have covid [03:00] schestowitz[TR] schestowitz[TR], The beatings will continue until morale improves! [03:00] schestowitz[TR] the doses will contiunuen until morale improves [03:00] DaemonFC I figure get one that sounds important. [03:01] Helenah DaemonFC: Do you think this is a Plandemic? [03:01] schestowitz[TR] covid-19 stilll kills loads of people [03:01] schestowitz[TR] http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com [03:01] schestowitz[TR] https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/22/piling-up-high/ [03:01] TR Bot Blog Archive Hiding the Reports to Hide the Bodies (That Pile Up High) [03:01] Helenah Whether it's a plandemic or not... [03:01] Helenah It's serious as fuck! [03:01] Helenah Regardless... [03:01] Helenah and should be taken seriously... [03:01] DaemonFC Helenah, It would be impossible to prove one way or another whether this is bioengineered or released deliberately. [03:01] Helenah Nobody knows how it started really [03:01] schestowitz[TR] I prefer to have covid [03:01] schestowitz[TR] better to have neither [03:01] Helenah there is only ever speculation [03:02] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Yeah yeah ofc [03:02] DaemonFC It's a little convenient that it kills pensioners. [03:02] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:02] schestowitz[TR] i recognise that's not possible in some occupations [03:02] Helenah but I mean if I have to have one or the other [03:02] Helenah it would be covid that I choose [03:02] Helenah because of my experience with the vaccine. [03:02] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 198538 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42262 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 2 weeks 5 days ago [03:02] Helenah And the fact that... [03:02] Helenah the NHS said they'd help but [03:02] Helenah repeated contact got me no help [03:02] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [03:02] Helenah They said I needed to take my other shots under the monitoring of a specialist [03:03] Helenah I can't get them to do it so... [03:03] DaemonFC My dad figures it was deliberate. [03:03] Helenah I'm now denied vaccinations [03:03] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 4.7 GB TotalOut: 1.5 GB [03:03] DaemonFC Kill off the people on Social Security and other pension funds. [03:03] DaemonFC And leave the workers. [03:03] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: capitalism does not need pensioners [03:03] DaemonFC Nope. [03:03] Helenah And I would rather be denied vaccinations than take them and go home with that in my system and then end up dead... [03:04] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: No but they need people to be healthy :) [03:04] Helenah To support worker count [03:04] Helenah more workers, more money [03:04] schestowitz[TR] my mom got cover 3+ times [03:04] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:04] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], If it leaves them all, then taxes will have to go up to pay for them. [03:04] schestowitz[TR] AFTER she got 4 shots [03:04] schestowitz[TR] she was bed-bound a lot [03:04] schestowitz[TR] she his mid 60s [03:04] schestowitz[TR] *got covid [03:04] schestowitz[TR] not cover [03:04] schestowitz[TR] typing while standing sorry [03:05] schestowitz[TR] i try not to sit down TOOO much [03:05] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Are you from the UK? The British have a way of talking to each other but you don't show a single sign of that. [03:05] schestowitz[TR] in manc [03:05] schestowitz[TR] we live in same place [03:05] Helenah Ah manc well they say that for short :D [03:06] schestowitz[TR] man-che-stah! [03:06] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I had to abandon the city [03:06] schestowitz[TR] a friend of mine left [03:06] Helenah I was raped by 3 men [03:06] Helenah I lived in the roughest estate in Bury... [03:06] schestowitz[TR] moved to oldham area but the mountains [03:07] schestowitz[TR] we like ther market in bury [03:07] schestowitz[TR] did not go well outside it [03:07] Helenah Hell I even had a pedophile killer in my house... [03:07] Helenah And with me chatting on these IRC nets [03:07] Helenah connected to like [03:07] Helenah anoymisers [03:07] Helenah tor and what not [03:07] Helenah you hear a lot of pedo talk [03:07] Helenah and I could've been killed [03:07] Helenah if like... [03:07] Helenah Someone talked of that [03:07] Helenah and he saw it over my shoulder! [03:08] Helenah o.o [03:08] schestowitz[TR] that is a problem [03:08] Helenah Yep [03:08] schestowitz[TR] being force to live with dodgy people [03:08] Helenah I was forced cause er... [03:08] Helenah I developed stockholm syndrome [03:08] schestowitz[TR] i know [03:08] schestowitz[TR] wait [03:08] Helenah You do? [03:08] Helenah You had it? [03:09] schestowitz[TR] i know comes before that [03:09] schestowitz[TR] the irc sequence came out all wrong [03:09] Helenah Oh wow nice, someone who understands me! :D [03:09] schestowitz[TR] i nodded to forced [03:09] Helenah hmm [03:09] Helenah ah [03:10] schestowitz[TR] i lives in moss side for a couple of months [03:10] schestowitz[TR] with fellow students [03:10] schestowitz[TR] it was cheap [03:10] schestowitz[TR] i didn't get mugged [03:10] schestowitz[TR] but those places are risky [03:10] schestowitz[TR] this was 2001 [03:10] Helenah But yeah, Stockholm syndrome where you support the ones you're victim to. He was high profile, most wanted by the Manchester police and I was harbouring him because the stockholm syndrome. [03:11] Helenah I was protecting him [03:11] Helenah a pedophile killer... [03:11] schestowitz[TR] financial constraints leave people unable to live with reliable co-tenants [03:11] Helenah My heart is racing now... [03:11] Helenah WTF [03:11] Helenah did I say... [03:11] schestowitz[TR] take your time [03:11] schestowitz[TR] take a break [03:11] Helenah Oh co-tenants, never done that. [03:12] Helenah He wasn't a co-tenant. [03:12] schestowitz[TR] they were OK [03:12] schestowitz[TR] the surroundings were not [03:12] Helenah hmm [03:12] schestowitz[TR] 2 germanys, two brits [03:12] schestowitz[TR] mostly computer scientists [03:12] Helenah Ah [03:12] schestowitz[TR] paying like 50 quid a week [03:12] Helenah hmm [03:12] schestowitz[TR] 20+ years ago [03:12] schestowitz[TR] food was cheaper too [03:12] Helenah Yes it was cheaper [03:13] schestowitz[TR] the house was filthy.... men's place [03:13] Helenah I harboured another murderer too [03:13] schestowitz[TR] even CS men! [03:13] schestowitz[TR] geeks are worst then average [03:13] Helenah due to stockholm syndrome [03:13] schestowitz[TR] one broughtn his girldfriened in [03:13] schestowitz[TR] and she eventualkly did the bath [03:13] Helenah And then when I was raped I supported the rapists [03:13] schestowitz[TR] women are less tolerant to filth [03:13] Helenah Yes [03:13] Helenah agreed [03:14] schestowitz[TR] i remember whose fault the filth was [03:14] schestowitz[TR] even walking on the carpet was awful [03:14] Helenah Oh [03:14] Helenah :( [03:14] schestowitz[TR] i used flip-flops [03:14] schestowitz[TR] INSIDE the home [03:14] schestowitz[TR] on ther carpets [03:14] Helenah I lived in filth... :'( [03:14] Helenah I didn't want to... [03:15] Helenah I couldn't clean my home because my mental health was too shot, schestowitz[TR] [03:15] schestowitz[TR] many people who nare high and or stoned end up like this [03:15] Helenah stockholm syndrome and PTSD piling themselves on top of my Autism and ADHD... [03:15] schestowitz[TR] i saw homes of "artistic types" [03:15] Helenah Well they were forcing drugs into me [03:15] schestowitz[TR] much worse than filthy [03:15] schestowitz[TR] it's like a barn! [03:15] Helenah cocaine, weed [03:16] Helenah alcohol [03:16] Helenah tobacco [03:16] Helenah even food was forced into me [03:16] Helenah turd forced into me [03:16] Helenah beastiality I was forced to do [03:16] Helenah blowjobs I was forced to give [03:16] Helenah Had to do it or shag the knife and bleed to death [03:16] schestowitz[TR] ssounds awful [03:16] Helenah I would rather shag a dog than die, schestowitz[TR] [03:16] Helenah And I was grossed out by it... [03:16] Helenah and felt... [03:16] Helenah er... [03:17] Helenah sorry I'm crying... [03:17] schestowitz[TR] sorry [03:17] Helenah I felt sorry for the dog... [03:17] Helenah while telling the rapist I was loving the dog sex [03:17] Helenah while being grossed out by the sex [03:17] schestowitz[TR] and did not report to the policed? [03:17] schestowitz[TR] tbh, cops don't know how to deal with such stuff [03:17] Helenah Police didn't believe me, schestowitz[TR] [03:18] schestowitz[TR] yes, cops are on average not clever [03:18] schestowitz[TR] and orrupt [03:18] Helenah I was imprisoned too [03:18] Helenah so it was years later [03:18] Helenah before I could tell the police... [03:18] Helenah and at that point I was busy fleeing the area [03:18] Helenah Heart racing, running, panicing [03:18] schestowitz[TR] rochdale still has this issue [03:18] schestowitz[TR] but.. [03:18] Helenah "OH shit, don't catch me, don't want them to see me, don't want them to run after me" [03:18] schestowitz[TR] not the same [03:18] Helenah I ran and ran and ran [03:18] Helenah and ran [03:18] schestowitz[TR] cops cxovering up [03:18] Helenah faster than ever in my life... [03:19] Helenah I then banged hard on a strangers door I don't even know shouting "PLEASE LET ME IN!" [03:19] Helenah Opened it, I ran in [03:19] Helenah They er... sat me down and everything, cup of tea and everything, I'm crying, out of breath [03:19] Helenah greasy [03:19] schestowitz[TR] did she or he phone cops? [03:19] Helenah She could tell [03:19] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Yeah but they didn't believe me [03:20] schestowitz[TR] useless [03:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [03:20] schestowitz[TR] as usual [03:20] schestowitz[TR] cops always let me down here [03:20] Helenah :( [03:20] schestowitz[TR] i learned to ignore them [03:20] schestowitz[TR] they can come for a fight [03:20] schestowitz[TR] that's it [03:20] Helenah But yeah she said I looked a mess [03:20] Helenah She said without me asking [03:20] Helenah "You can go take a shower if you like" [03:20] schestowitz[TR] anything more complicated than come for a fight.. not suitably trained [03:20] Helenah My clothes were filthy [03:20] schestowitz[TR] or dealing with stressed out victims [03:20] Helenah I was fed food by the rapists to keep me alive [03:21] Helenah so I would continue satisfying them [03:21] Helenah it was 3 men [03:21] Helenah but like... [03:21] Helenah they turned it into a freak show of the 3 men plus 15 more... [03:21] Helenah Irish, big family [03:21] Helenah They watched [03:21] Helenah 3 men one by one would shit into my mouth [03:21] Helenah I had to eat it whole [03:21] Helenah I wasn't allowed to puke it out and if I did I had to eat off the floor [03:22] Helenah They claimed to be gypsies [03:22] Helenah Showed me "gypsies having sex" videos [03:22] Helenah it's rough [03:22] Helenah had me do the stuff [03:22] Helenah But they like... ran a business and er... rented an apartment [03:22] schestowitz[TR] have they all been arrested yet? [03:23] Helenah I don't know [03:23] Helenah I'm in a lovely village now :D [03:23] Helenah I <3 this villege! [03:23] Helenah I deserve this place [03:23] Helenah oh I'm tearing again [03:23] Helenah but this time tears of happiness! [03:23] Helenah awww [03:23] schestowitz[TR] sorry, didn't imagine the discussion would gom down this route [03:24] Helenah At first... [03:24] schestowitz[TR] you are still young enough to restart [03:24] Helenah when the PTSD was there I didn't speak of it [03:24] Helenah unless my gf forced it out of me during a trigger [03:24] Helenah So because of that... [03:24] Helenah I now these days feel I can have a good talk about it, you know? [03:24] Helenah Because I couldn't previously [03:25] schestowitz[TR] so that was in bury [03:25] Helenah I still get Stockholm syndrome a little bit [03:25] Helenah Or should I say... [03:25] souseksi Helenah, I'm sorry to hear you were in such a terrible situation [03:25] Helenah I can feel in situations like [03:25] Helenah if it got rough [03:25] Helenah The syndrome would come out of me [03:25] Helenah but everyone is nice around here [03:25] Helenah souseksi: Aww thanks [03:25] Helenah <3 [03:25] schestowitz[TR] you're welcome gere [03:25] schestowitz[TR] *here [03:25] Helenah I was a "yes" person [03:26] schestowitz[TR] didn't even realise you are from the same city [03:26] Helenah or a "no" person, whether I'd respond "yes" or "no" would depend on whether it put the criminal at an advantage. [03:26] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I'm not from it :D [03:26] Helenah It was like I was a robotic assistant [03:26] schestowitz[TR] the cops in yorkshire were also failing [03:26] Helenah There to support the people who use me [03:27] schestowitz[TR] several no-notorious places [03:27] schestowitz[TR] know better for abuses like these than their football teams or history [03:27] Helenah Told to cook a meal I went and cooked a meal [03:27] schestowitz[TR] the sad thing is, [03:27] schestowitz[TR] I don't think the police got any better since then [03:27] schestowitz[TR] maybe they hide it better [03:27] schestowitz[TR] hostage situation now involve landlords, too [03:28] Helenah I wish I had man muscles [03:28] Helenah It was as simple as this to keep me captive... [03:28] schestowitz[TR] weapons are stronger than muscles [03:28] Helenah grip me by the arm and drag me inside [03:28] schestowitz[TR] but they're messsy to deal with [03:28] Helenah That's all it took [03:28] Helenah I was weak [03:28] Helenah Trying to get htem off me was like wrestling with iron man [03:29] schestowitz[TR] they use psychological tricks too [03:29] schestowitz[TR] common theme [03:29] schestowitz[TR] 1) turn the girl intoa junkie [03:29] schestowitz[TR] than use the addiction [03:29] schestowitz[TR] 2) call her "girlfriend" [03:29] schestowitz[TR] then she eels guilty about leaving [03:29] schestowitz[TR] 3) lower her morale a lot [03:29] schestowitz[TR] that leads to stockholm syndrome [03:29] Helenah :'( [03:30] schestowitz[TR] or the self-esteem [03:30] schestowitz[TR] .e.g. "you're BLOODY USELESS!" [03:30] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I'm intersex [03:30] starstreak Helenah, that is absolutely terrifying and horrific, im sorry that happened to you [03:30] Helenah and it was a thrill to them [03:30] Helenah like I was some sex toy [03:30] Helenah starstreak: They said to me "You're a dirty slut, aren't you?" [03:30] Helenah While I was doing sexual stuff [03:30] Helenah and I would be like "Yes, daddy, I'm a real dirty slut" [03:31] starstreak :( [03:31] schestowitz[TR] cops cannot distinguish between abusive spouse and sex prisoner [03:31] Helenah And then they would get really like... er... [03:31] schestowitz[TR] so they stay away [03:31] Helenah aroused by it [03:31] Helenah and push my head harder down onto their cock [03:31] Helenah Mucus would come forward [03:31] Helenah due to gagging [03:31] Helenah choke a little on it [03:32] *Helenah huggles starstreak [03:32] schestowitz[TR] anyway, I think we've gone a bit off topic [03:32] schestowitz[TR] for a channel about tech [03:32] Helenah Yeah [03:32] Helenah Nobody seems to be talking tech though... [03:32] Helenah hmm [03:32] Helenah Anyone wanna talk about anyone? [03:32] Helenah *anything [03:33] starstreak i use arch btw [03:33] Helenah Me too [03:33] Helenah :D [03:33] starstreak =) [03:33] Helenah and devuan :3 [03:33] starstreak devuan on your servers right? [03:33] souseksi starstreak joke is funny. [03:33] starstreak souseksi, XD [03:34] starstreak im gonna rent a server at the end of the month, probably use openbsd or freebsd [03:35] TR News Better uninstall Windows, too https://linuxhint.com/uninstall-git-on-windows/ Git is better off done on UNIX/Linux [03:35] TR Bot How to Uninstall Git on Windows [03:35] starstreak if i cant get cjdns to work on those then i might use almalinux [03:35] Helenah Sorry, gf just woke up [03:35] Helenah might be slow responding [03:35] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: sorry if I could not help more [03:36] TR News Raspberry Pi Music Station with MPD https://linuxhint.com/raspberry-pi-music-station-mpd/ Source: Linux Hint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxhint.com/raspberry-pi-music-station-mpd/ [03:36] TR Bot Raspberry Pi Music Station with MPD [03:37] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: No help was needed but I liked you talking about er... the tactics they used cause nobody has ever mentioned the tactics to me before and yet that is almost what happened but I got a gf so they tried making her relationship a polyamorous one. Anyway I will stop talking about this now but I'm free to talk further in PM. [03:37] Helenah starstreak: Yes, Devuan on my servers. [03:37] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: thanks for the chat [03:38] schestowitz[TR] we tested techrights/tuxmachines on devuan [03:38] schestowitz[TR] but are now using alpine [03:38] Helenah No problem. :3 [03:38] schestowitz[TR] I tried devuan on my main laptop [03:38] Helenah Oh nice :D [03:38] schestowitz[TR] but it lacked reaktek wifi support [03:38] schestowitz[TR] *realtek [03:38] schestowitz[TR] seems like a WELL-KNOWN issue [03:39] Helenah Yes it is [03:39] schestowitz[TR] realtek = bad for Linux [03:39] Helenah Realtek and GNU/Linux don't mix very well. [03:39] starstreak schestowitz[TR], have you considered using alpine linux as a desktop? [03:39] Helenah Atheros mixes better, a LOT better. [03:39] schestowitz[TR] I don'r want 20 meter ethernet cables crawling through here [03:39] schestowitz[TR] we already have one (for the IP Phone) [03:39] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: My place in the city I er... [03:39] souseksi Can I ask what does TR in schestowitz[TR] stand for? [03:39] Helenah installed ethernet faceplates [03:39] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: yes [03:39] schestowitz[TR] but I think I would miss some software [03:39] Helenah So I simply plugged my ethernet cables into the wall. :D [03:39] starstreak ahhh [03:40] Helenah cat6 [03:40] schestowitz[TR] 2 nights ago I struggled with 'find' [03:40] schestowitz[TR] as alpine had the busybox version of it [03:40] Helenah Solid from socket to switch and stranded from computers to sockets [03:40] Helenah Solid is good quality but stranded doesn't break easily. [03:40] schestowitz[TR] I managed to avoid ethernet until late 2013 [03:40] Helenah So moving cables stranded and still cables solid [03:41] starstreak I would switch to BSD but I would miss Brave, Discord and Element [03:41] schestowitz[TR] when rianne and I lived together I wanted to take the machine to other rooms [03:41] schestowitz[TR] so wifi was left on [03:41] schestowitz[TR] otherwise I'd turn it on for guests [03:41] schestowitz[TR] then turn it back off [03:41] starstreak i wanted to put BSD on my raspi zero w but it doesnt have a wifi driver :( [03:42] Helenah starstreak: I created a guest hotspot [03:42] Helenah Which er... [03:42] Helenah Basically [03:42] Helenah Gave them an IP address on a subnet but the IP addresses couldn't see each other [03:42] Helenah The isolated subnet could not see the LAN subnet and the isolated IPs could not see each other. [03:43] starstreak oh nice, sounds secure [03:43] Helenah So it was literally a gateway to the internet via wifi and nothing more. [03:43] Helenah starstreak: Secure is how I work [03:43] Helenah Secure, reliable, resource efficient [03:43] Helenah starstreak: That wasn't all though... [03:43] Helenah It had a ticket system [03:43] Helenah er.. [03:43] Helenah ticket wrong word [03:44] Helenah Basically [03:44] Helenah I'd generate a pass [03:44] Helenah and it would give them like an hours usage or something [03:44] Helenah They would enter the pass they got into the captive portal [03:44] Helenah It was like... [03:44] Helenah the pass is randomly generated, never used again [03:44] starstreak thats cool :D [03:45] Helenah Two people can have two different passes [03:45] Helenah One might have one hour the other two hours [03:46] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Guess how I had to dial 999? [03:46] Helenah 9999 [03:46] Helenah 4 9s and not 3 [03:46] schestowitz[TR] where? [03:46] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: At my house [03:46] schestowitz[TR] oh [03:46] Helenah PBX system [03:46] Helenah 9 = dial out [03:47] schestowitz[TR] maybe tampered with [03:47] Helenah Each number unless local to the LAN had to start with 9 [03:47] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: tampered? [03:47] Helenah It's my system [03:47] schestowitz[TR] ah, ok [03:47] Helenah It had an ISDN modem [03:47] schestowitz[TR] 1990s? [03:48] Helenah The modem was used to make and receive calls via the telephone line, schestowitz[TR] [03:48] Helenah Actually I had 8 as a dial out code too [03:48] Helenah 9 = PSTN [03:48] Helenah 8 = GSM [03:48] schestowitz[TR] I almost forgot how those worked [03:48] starstreak Helenah, did you ever use BBSes? [03:48] Helenah *PTSN [03:48] schestowitz[TR] I moved to LAN in 2000 [03:48] Helenah starstreak: Now I got a screenshot for you! :D [03:49] Helenah starstreak: The echo command, the prompt, the username, the hostname, the escape characters, I coded it all! https://i.imgur.com/hibBkyd.jpg [03:49] Helenah Custom SSH implementation [03:50] Helenah Basically the custom implementation has no way to the host OS shell [03:50] Helenah It's simply hard coded into the program [03:50] Helenah I coded a shell... [03:50] Helenah a user and groups management system [03:50] starstreak sweet [03:50] Helenah a echo command [03:50] Helenah a date command [03:50] Helenah a who command [03:51] Helenah Screenshot before echo was POSIX compliant https://i.imgur.com/HpFFX4R.jpg [03:51] Helenah Oh and I coded the file and directory system [03:51] Helenah I need to dig this code out now... [03:52] schestowitz[TR] systemd-echod [03:52] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: No init system [03:52] schestowitz[TR] lol. systemd-LSD [03:52] Helenah It's simply a SSH-based TCP/IP based BBS [03:52] Helenah that I hadn't gotten around to coding er... [03:52] Helenah more useful stuff for [03:52] Helenah but it has erm... what's it [03:52] Helenah a wall command [03:52] Helenah 1min [03:53] starstreak i still connect to a BBS to play legend of the red dragon [03:53] Helenah starstreak: https://i.imgur.com/iCqEhCs.jpg [03:54] schestowitz[TR] I missed most of the bbs era [03:54] schestowitz[TR] friends with bbs would burn me CDs with the rars from bbs [03:54] schestowitz[TR] or arj etc. [03:54] starstreak CDs? lol [03:54] starstreak i had floppies [03:54] schestowitz[TR] those rars were 1.4mb in size [03:55] schestowitz[TR] but later we got better ways to pass files around [03:55] TR News Whats curious about these latest figures is that no place really adopted Vista 11 (in any meaningful way; a tough economy discourages PC sales and Microsoft has mass layoffs) http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/12-months-later-vista-11-still-mia-very-small-share-and-in-some-places-vista-7-has-higher-share-than-vista-10/ [03:55] TR Bot 12 Months Later Vista 11 Still MIA (Very Small Share) and in Some Places Vista 7 Has Higher Share Than Vista 10! | Techrights [03:55] Helenah I found the motd file, starstreak [03:55] Helenah https://termbin.com/1ia8 [03:55] starstreak i had win95 on floppy disks [03:55] starstreak i didnt get a cdrom drive until around 2000 [03:55] Helenah Wasn't that like 25 floppies or something? [03:56] TR News (NEW): Firefox 105 Beta Brings Memory Fixes, Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Firefox_105_Beta_Brings_Memory_Fixes_Two_Finger_Swipe_Gesture.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Firefox_105_Beta_Brings_Memory_Fixes_Two_Finger_Swipe_Gesture.gmi [03:56] TR Bot Tux Machines Firefox 105 Beta Brings Memory Fixes, Two-Finger Swipe Back/Forward Gesture on Linux [03:56] starstreak yeah [03:56] Helenah You could merged em together, stick them on a disc :D [03:56] Helenah I did that myself :D [03:56] starstreak my 386 didnt have an optical drive [03:56] Helenah <===== 28 years old [03:56] Helenah but I was a lucky kid [03:56] starstreak i didnt get a 486 until around 2000 [03:56] starstreak im 37 [03:56] Helenah I had a computer at 4 [03:57] Helenah Lemme find what I had [03:57] DaemonFC I got a computer at 5. The Commodore. [03:57] starstreak i started my transition at 34 and psychologist approved surgery, proof that you dont have to be young to transition [03:57] DaemonFC The C64 was not a bad system for the time. [03:57] DaemonFC They kept making them into the early 90s. [03:57] starstreak my first computer was a 16Mhz 386 [03:57] DaemonFC So, my first computer was not a PC. [03:58] Helenah You don't have to be young for most things you're told you have to be young for... [03:58] starstreak it came with 4mb ram [03:58] Helenah Such as university [03:58] Helenah This man [03:58] Helenah he started uni for the first time... [03:58] Helenah at 80 years old [03:58] starstreak i did paralegal school (college) a few years ago [03:58] Helenah Why? He said it gave him something to learn and do. [03:58] DaemonFC You couldn't even do anything UNIX-like on such a system. [03:58] starstreak yeah i love learning [03:58] starstreak i'd love to go to university to become a lawyer [03:59] DaemonFC Tanenbaum was mocked for restricting Minix in the 90s to what was available on the 80286. [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 74.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 70.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 105.11 [03:59] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights ● Aug 24 [04:00] Helenah Found it! My first computer! https://i.imgur.com/Nt47QcZ.png [04:00] starstreak i had the same monitor [04:00] Helenah :D [04:00] Helenah nice [04:00] Helenah I hated CRT though [04:01] Helenah I have sensory processing disorder [04:01] Helenah they knocked me sick... [04:01] starstreak i didnt mind [04:01] Helenah and gave me migraines [04:01] Helenah I'd puke everywhere... [04:01] DaemonFC Mr. GULAG is busy amusing himself with Microsoft's PC UNIX. [04:01] DaemonFC "Xenix" [04:01] Helenah same for CRT TVs [04:01] Helenah CRT tubes made me extremely ill [04:01] Helenah And so do lights [04:01] starstreak i used that monitor with windows 3.11, trumpet winsock, mIRC and ICQ [04:01] Helenah but CRTs were different... [04:01] Helenah there was something about how they felt... [04:01] Helenah I could feel them "emitting" something [04:01] Helenah at my body [04:01] Helenah and it made me very ill... [04:01] starstreak i still have my six digit icq number [04:02] Helenah So I didn't spend much time in front of such tubes [04:02] DaemonFC I don't think ICQ is still around. [04:02] starstreak thats a shame [04:02] starstreak crt monitors are so classic [04:02] DaemonFC You can use it with a different server, but there's only a few users on that server. [04:02] DaemonFC Like AIM and MSN. [04:02] Helenah The refresh rate is unhealthy though. [04:03] Helenah And I can see it [04:03] Helenah Then again... [04:03] starstreak oh wow [04:03] Helenah When can I not see lights flicker? [04:03] Helenah They all flicker... [04:03] starstreak is that your autistic super power? [04:03] Helenah Yes [04:03] DaemonFC I mostly used AOL Instant Messenger during the "Messenger" days, but I was also on MSN and Yahoo. [04:03] Helenah I hear electricity too [04:03] starstreak i thought i had good hearing [04:03] starstreak i do technically [04:03] Helenah Me and my gf was out walking... [04:03] DaemonFC Yahoo Messenger ended up being like "Grindr by mistake" for a while. [04:03] starstreak im autistic too [04:03] Helenah I said "I smell onions" [04:04] Helenah She was like "I can't, where?" [04:04] Helenah I said "Down there" [04:04] DaemonFC They had user chatrooms with no moderation and all sorts of horrible things went on in there. [04:04] Helenah We walked... [04:04] Helenah 20 minutes later... [04:04] DaemonFC But there was an Indiana_M4M room [04:04] Helenah there the onion was, walked right to it [04:04] Helenah and then I said "I told you" [04:04] Helenah She was like "Wow" [04:04] starstreak lol wow [04:04] DaemonFC And like, it didn't take long for thousands of gay men in Indiana to find it. [04:05] Helenah DaemonFC: Told you I'm not crazy... I'm just different. [04:05] starstreak thats impressive [04:05] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, August 23, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:05] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [04:05] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:05] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:05] Helenah So yeah, that's me [04:06] starstreak i have super hearing [04:06] Helenah Yeah me too [04:06] Helenah It's good and a curse [04:06] Helenah at the same time :D [04:06] DaemonFC I still keep in touch with some people I met in Indiana_M4M on Yahoo. [04:06] starstreak even got my hearing tested by the military and they were quite impressed by it [04:06] DaemonFC Most of them are on Facebook. [04:06] Helenah I'd had colour vision tests too [04:06] starstreak they put me into a sound proof room and i could hear my heart beating [04:06] Helenah come back perfect [04:06] DaemonFC ICQ was never really popular in the US. [04:07] Helenah but my eyes aren't good [04:07] TR News Transcript of Jim Zemlin Talking About His Wifes (Sheela Microsoft) Reaction to Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/who-runs-the-linux-foundation/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/23/who-runs-the-linux-foundation/ [04:07] TR Bot Transcript of Jim Zemlin Talking About His Wifes (Sheela Microsoft) Reaction to Linux | Techrights [04:07] Helenah my colour vision is super [04:07] Helenah well 10% [04:07] Helenah 100% [04:07] Helenah but my eyes? [04:07] Helenah LOL [04:07] Helenah I got VS (Visual Snow) [04:07] starstreak i have above average sight too [04:07] starstreak i also have probability field manipulation [04:08] Helenah This https://assets.medpagetoday.net/media/images/84xxx/84531.jpg [04:08] Helenah On the right is my vision [04:08] starstreak https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Probability_Manipulation [04:08] TR Bot Probability Manipulation | Superpower Wiki | Fandom [04:08] Helenah On the left is normal vision [04:08] starstreak oh weird [04:08] starstreak fuzzy vision? [04:08] Helenah My neurology is screwed starstreak [04:08] Helenah It has pixels in it [04:08] Helenah and er... [04:09] Helenah grains [04:09] Helenah They look like that of a untuned TV [04:09] Helenah Or partially tuned should I say [04:10] Helenah But I'm good at graphics design! :D [04:10] starstreak im really good at video editing in imovie but i haven't found anything on linux thats as easy to use [04:10] starstreak imovie is fantastic [04:10] Helenah And music production [04:10] Helenah https://soundcloud.com/helenab-6/helena-bolan-moonscapes-original [04:10] TR Bot Helena Bolan - Moonscapes (Original) by Helenah | Listen online for free on SoundCloud [04:11] starstreak it has a nice retro sound to it [04:11] Helenah Yes, it's synthwave :D [04:11] Helenah 80s genre of electronic music [04:12] starstreak i love synthwave [04:12] Helenah Gary Numan, Human League, artists like that [04:12] starstreak vapourwave is nice too [04:12] Helenah :D [04:12] Helenah Yes [04:12] starstreak vapourwave is more 90s right? [04:12] Helenah Yeah it seems to sound it [04:13] starstreak one of my all time favourite CDs is the Tron Legacy soundtrack by Daft Punk [04:13] Helenah <3 [04:14] Helenah The drums in my soundtrack are erm... [04:14] DaemonFC What really hurts you is deciding to show mercy to someone. [04:14] Helenah Roland TR-808 [04:14] DaemonFC I'll leave what that means up to the imagination. [04:14] starstreak Did you ever listen to .MOD files? [04:15] Helenah DaemonFC: Why should that hurt? [04:15] DaemonFC Because few people will show mercy to you or be thankful and stop trying to drag you down while you're stopped to help them. [04:15] Helenah hmm [04:16] Helenah But surely "being a good example" matters too, no? [04:16] Helenah If nobody showed mercy then nobody will ever show mercy. [04:16] Helenah There is always a kickstarter [04:17] Helenah and then there are the people that follow who support it [04:17] Helenah It's how "gain in popularity" works [04:17] Helenah First something is made... [04:17] Helenah Then people start supporting it [04:17] Helenah then more people jump onto it [04:17] Helenah If people decided to go backwards and become barbarians then everyone will be the same way. [04:18] Helenah You've got to be the difference, the better example. [04:18] Helenah The one who wants change [04:18] starstreak Helenah, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=32399 [04:18] TR Bot The Mod Archive v4.0b - A distinctive collection of modules - the real at&t mix - Att.mod (MOD) [04:18] Helenah Oh that! [04:18] Helenah Yeah I like that! :D [04:19] Helenah That and er... milkytracker :3 [04:19] *souseksi has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [04:19] Helenah I like listening to them and maybe messing around with them but my music production lies with LMMS. [04:19] starstreak when I was too poor to play MP3 files (because of my 16Mhz), i'd listen to midi and mod files [04:19] Helenah :3 [04:19] Helenah <3 [04:20] Helenah Yeah [04:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [04:20] Helenah and now people take MP3 for granted :D [04:20] Helenah History repeats this way all the time... [04:20] starstreak the soundblaster awe32 was SOOOO good at playing midi files, it had ram on it for the midi tables [04:20] Helenah First something isn't easy to get [04:20] Helenah before long even a baby can get it [04:20] *souseksi (~souseksi@z4erpfet58qwy.irc) has joined #techrights [04:20] Helenah next thing it's taken for granted... [04:20] Helenah Oh midi tables :D [04:20] Helenah I remember that card. [04:21] starstreak midi files need a good sound card to really get the whole experience [04:21] Helenah Yeah [04:21] starstreak Windows 2000/XP came with a good midi tables emulator [04:22] Helenah brb [04:22] Helenah need to pee [04:22] Helenah My bum hurts... :D [04:22] Helenah Sat down too long, can't get up! lol I'm gonna have a stretch I think, brb [04:23] starstreak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjTYUxDyjI8 [04:23] TR Bot https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=BjTYUxDyjI8 [04:23] TR Bot timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=BjTYUxDyjI8 ) [04:23] starstreak Tom Green - The bum bum song [04:24] *Helenah looks [04:24] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:24] Helenah That stretch helped :D [04:25] Helenah Does anyone ever feel like a hypochondriac? [04:25] Helenah Or should I say... [04:25] Helenah Like... they could be accused of it? [04:26] Helenah Nice music :D [04:27] starstreak =) [04:27] starstreak tom green is the best [04:28] Helenah :D [04:29] Helenah I hate the list of conditions I have... [04:29] starstreak I got ASD, ADHD, Social Anxiety, Gender Dysphoria [04:30] Helenah It's the amount [04:30] schestowitz[TR] i've had that tom green track on my frive for 20+ years [04:30] schestowitz[TR] *drive [04:30] starstreak :) [04:30] schestowitz[TR] he even did a show with monica lewinski [04:30] starstreak im glad you like it too schestowitz[TR] [04:32] Helenah ASD (selective mutism, social communication disorder, sensory processing disorder, hyperlexia, dyscalculia, opposition defiant disorder), ADHD, VS (Visual Snow), light sensitivity to the point of wearing super dark tinted glasses, intersex, cancer, astma as a child, placental deficiency inside the womb [04:32] Helenah See? [04:32] Helenah See why I get scared of being accused of being a hypochondriac? [04:32] Helenah Yet I'm not the one adding to that list... [04:33] Helenah It's complication after complication after complication... it gets bigger as I get older... [04:33] Helenah cancer at 16, ASD diagnosis at 14 [04:33] Helenah See? [04:33] Helenah Well actually the cancer part was 2 misdiagnosis and one possibly correct one... [04:34] Helenah soft tissue unclsssified myxoid sarcoma [04:34] Helenah left 6th palsy is another thing I had, that cleared up with a debulking and a 12th right palsy which is still there. [04:35] Helenah I had that PTSD but it cleared up and that stockholm syndrome which seems to have at least gone back into its cave. [04:36] Helenah I'm infertile [04:36] starstreak I got my ASD diagnosis a couple years ago [04:36] Helenah Oh nice [04:36] starstreak and im 37 [04:36] Helenah Yeah that's great cause now at least er... [04:36] Helenah At least you are validated :) [04:37] starstreak yes exactly :) [04:37] Helenah and things will be clearer to you :D [04:37] Helenah But yeah, you should've had that younger really but there you go... [04:37] starstreak autism spectrum disorder without intellectual disability, without communication disorder, requiring supports [04:37] Helenah Doesn't always happen that way, especially in past times... [04:37] starstreak i was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid [04:38] Helenah Did you see the brackets I put on my ASD label? That will give you details of mine. [04:38] starstreak yeah [04:38] Helenah I was diagnosed with ADHD a lil younger than ASD [04:38] Helenah the inattentive one [04:38] Helenah I mask like fuck... [04:38] Helenah 1min [04:39] starstreak I mask like fuck too [04:39] starstreak thats what took so long for a dx [04:39] Helenah starstreak: https://termbin.com/yy56 [04:40] starstreak oh wow [04:40] Helenah Yeah [04:41] Helenah My experience is women are expected to be socially sophisticated. :/ [04:41] Helenah That it's even harder to make friends with a girl than it is a boy as a kid... [04:41] Helenah You could make friends with a boy just by rolling around in a bit of dirt... [04:42] Helenah Then there's the expectations they get fired onto them because they're expected to be the one who mothers a child, who gives birth to the child, who bleeds... [04:42] Helenah And it's fuckin' wrong because people should be raised equally, not based on sex... [04:42] *XFaCE has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:42] *Seaduck- has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:42] Helenah I think other factors can cause masking too but I thinkthat's A factor if you know what I mean... [04:43] *Seaduck- (~seaduck@ys9kag65kxsiu.irc) has joined #techrights [04:43] starstreak yeah i know [04:44] Helenah You being transgender probably heightened your masking ability. Having to "pretend" you are a man/boy when you are actually and always have been a girl/woman. [04:45] starstreak when i started to transition i just stopped the masking and my autism came out [04:45] Helenah Hey though [04:45] Helenah If at any time I trigger you, ANY TIME [04:45] Helenah Please tell me because [04:45] starstreak dont worry, you [04:45] Helenah I'm not a nasty piece of work and will rectify. [04:45] starstreak you're cool [04:45] Helenah Thanks :) [04:45] starstreak =) [04:46] Helenah So erm... [04:46] Helenah You don't ask anymore? [04:46] Helenah And you are 30 odd? [04:46] Helenah DAMN [04:46] Helenah I'm 28 and still do it... so like... what age did you stop masking? [04:46] starstreak i don't have the energy to mask anymore [04:46] Helenah Yesh it's exhausting :/ [04:46] *souseksi has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [04:46] Helenah I cry at times to my gf... [04:46] Helenah her mother is annoying me at the moment [04:47] *XFaCE (~XFaCE@uzfeivw9fp6ba.irc) has joined #techrights [04:47] Helenah I went from living in the city to being annoyed by neighbours at my door every two minutes to living here needing my door locked at all times because her mother helps herself to come here... [04:47] Helenah without telling us [04:47] Helenah and I can't do with unannounced visits. [04:47] Helenah *deal [04:47] Helenah I need to mentally gear up to them... [04:47] starstreak i wouldn't be able to deal with that because of my social anxiety [04:47] Helenah I need prior warning, give me 24 hours :D [04:48] starstreak exactly [04:48] Helenah I have selective mutism [04:48] Helenah That's extremely difficult to mask [04:48] starstreak me too [04:48] Helenah It's apparently common in girls and those who are learning another language but anyone can have it. lol [04:48] starstreak i can't speak much when its a stranger [04:48] Helenah I can [04:48] Helenah but it's like erm... [04:48] Helenah How did I put this :D [04:49] Helenah I'm forcing myself to do it, keeping straight to show no signs of struggle for like an hour and half before like I get tired [04:49] Helenah and my head is racing "How do i escape the environment without looking rude?!" :D [04:50] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [04:51] starstreak i try to find ways to escape asap [04:51] Helenah Yeah same [04:51] Helenah It's just... [04:51] Helenah I want to socialise... this is the thing... I want to do it! I want friends... [04:52] Helenah But it's like an hour and half effort each time I meet... [04:52] starstreak i have 47 friends and thats on facebook [04:52] starstreak i socialize on the net [04:52] Helenah I have 300 on there but don't use it. [04:52] Helenah I hate Facebook [04:53] starstreak me too [04:53] starstreak i prefer to socialize on irc and discord [04:53] starstreak i have a really good friend on element [04:53] Helenah I prefer IRC :D [04:53] Helenah element as in the web client for Matrix protocol? [04:54] starstreak yes [04:54] Helenah ah [04:54] starstreak e2e encryption [04:54] Helenah My cancer doesn't help... [04:54] Helenah with my Autism [04:54] Helenah Yes, it's e2e [04:54] Helenah It causes physical pain [04:54] Helenah damn another condition... [04:55] Helenah HERE GOES [04:55] Helenah occipital neuralgia [04:55] Helenah it's a pain disorder [04:55] Helenah Told you... [04:55] Helenah I got this huge list and I don't like it!!! [04:55] starstreak occipital is the visual region in your brain [04:55] Helenah It makes me feel like er... some scumbag who is claiming to have every condition under the sun... [04:55] starstreak thats probably why CRT fucked you up [04:55] Helenah when I'm not [04:56] Helenah Well erm... [04:56] Helenah the cancer is at the skull base [04:56] Helenah Yes you are right in regards to brain region [04:56] Helenah but the occipital nerves are long [04:57] Helenah They are at the back of the skull, go around the back of the cranian, around the fore head and back of the yes [04:57] Helenah So the pain starts at the skull base like an electrical jolt, a migraine, a headaache, it radiates up the nerve, around the head and behind the eyes [04:58] Helenah *base of the skull [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 73.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 104.60 ● Aug 24 [05:02] starstreak i can't imagine how much that must suck :( [05:03] Helenah It sucks bad cause I've to take co-dydramol and naproxen for it [05:03] Helenah Since I was 16 [05:03] Helenah It's growing now btw [05:03] Helenah I don't care anymore I'm used to this... [05:04] Helenah I'm just a fuck up and I got to accept that that is "Helenah" [05:04] Helenah But beyond that I'm no fuck up :D [05:04] Helenah I'm just me :3 [05:04] Helenah <3 [05:04] starstreak <3 [05:05] TR News New: Text-based sql client gemini://arns.lt/en/f/notes/v/lqs.gmi [05:05] TR News "I've created this capsule in gemini space but I'm still not known to others. I'm not in threads and searching engines. How to spread message about my capsule? How to create acceptable feed?" gemini://arns.lt/en/f/gemini/w/howto_create_gemini_feed.gmi [05:05] Helenah Damn I got to count these conditions now.... this is unbelievable... [05:07] TR News "The main shortage is with gas, but the UK burns a lot of gas in turbines to generate electricity, so electricity prices are affected too." gemini://ur.gs/blog/off-grid-in-suburbia/ [05:07] Helenah damn okies [05:08] Helenah So if there is a magic pill [05:08] Helenah That makes all your diseases go away... [05:08] Helenah I'd take in a heart beat :D [05:08] starstreak its called LSD [05:08] starstreak lol [05:08] Helenah lol [05:09] heureka i prefer a clear mind [05:09] Helenah heureka: To be honest, me too [05:09] starstreak i miss LSD [05:09] Helenah Despite the weed smoking... [05:09] starstreak i've had LSD once and it was such a good experience [05:10] heureka i refrain from anything which impairs thinking [05:10] heureka except, after 24hours of hacking, i take a nap of vodka [05:10] starstreak heureka, you [05:10] Helenah Well weed makes my selective mutism worse [05:10] starstreak heureka, you're already crazy enough [05:10] Helenah It can switch it on completely [05:10] Helenah making it no longer selective... [05:10] starstreak Helenah, same, and it makes me paranoid [05:10] Helenah My gf hates it... [05:10] heureka strangely, i've never had withdrawal symptoms from alcohol [05:10] TR News "NVIDIA has released the latest update to their special Vulkan Beta Driver, for developers and users who want to test out the very-latest stuff." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/nvidia-vulkan-beta-driver-5154914-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [05:10] TR Bot Vulkan Beta Driver 515.49.14 out now | GamingOnLinux [05:10] Helenah She'll be like "When you smoke that weed, you won't talk for days and you are just a mong" [05:10] Helenah lol [05:10] TR News "After being announced back in June, we now actually have a release date for the latest Hearts of Iron IV expansion from Paradox with By Blood Alone coming on September 27th" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/hearts-of-iron-iv-by-blood-alone-set-to-release-on-september-27th/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [05:10] TR Bot of Iron IV - By Blood Alone set to release on September 27th | GamingOnLinux [05:11] TR News "Creative Assembly and SEGA have announced the massive Total War: WARHAMMER III 2.0 patch which comes along with a Beta version of Immortal Empires." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/total-war-warhammer-iii-2-0-immortal-empires-linux-update-as-soon-as-possible/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [05:11] TR Bot War: WARHAMMER III 2.0 out with Immortal Empires, Linux update 'as soon as possible' | GamingOnLinux [05:11] Helenah But at the same time she knows why :D [05:11] Helenah She can call me a mong cause I know she isn't meaning it offensively :D [05:11] heureka it's "only" coffee and cigarettes, and then, what i dislike with nicotine withdrawel is only this: tiredness, sleepyness [05:11] Helenah I'm tired all the time heureka [05:12] Helenah that I don't know when I'm tired [05:12] heureka a coffee and cigarette, bam, i am awake... without it i barely get up [05:12] Helenah It's 5am [05:12] *souseksi (~souseksi@z4erpfet58qwy.irc) has joined #techrights [05:12] Helenah and I don't know if I'm tired because of drugs or cause I need sleep [05:12] Helenah I don't know... [05:12] heureka or both [05:12] starstreak lol [05:12] Helenah I'm probably like really er... [05:12] Helenah sleep deprived for years many many years, since age 16 now [05:13] Helenah Maybe I should go to bed but idk [05:13] Helenah I'm confused, soo confused [05:13] starstreak i wish LSD was legal, its like impossible to find and i don't feel safe ordering it from the darknet [05:13] Helenah I used to take morphine [05:13] starstreak i don't want to get arrested [05:13] Helenah no joke... [05:13] Helenah My pain used to be SOOO BAD [05:14] Helenah I had to take strong stuff, morphine... [05:14] Helenah ... [05:14] starstreak the guy in mr robot snorted morphine [05:14] Helenah They tried everything weak, mid, a bit strong... [05:14] Helenah Nothing worked [05:14] Helenah but hey debulkings means I just take naproxen and er... co-dydramol now :D [05:15] Helenah Now time to express how I felt on morphine, heureka and starstreak :3 https://soundcloud.com/helenab-6/lady-morphine-original [05:15] TR Bot Helena Bolan - Lady Morphine (Original) by Helenah | Listen online for free on SoundCloud [05:15] Helenah That's how I felt ^ [05:16] starstreak you're pretty :) [05:16] Helenah Thankies :D [05:16] Helenah It isn't the first time I've used sounds to describe my feelings. [05:17] Helenah starstreak: I'm a mixture of er... both [05:17] Helenah Not sure if you read that condition tooo... [05:17] Helenah :/ [05:17] Helenah in my list... [05:17] starstreak which one [05:18] Helenah Intersex (45,X/46,XY mosaicism) [05:18] starstreak ohhh yeah [05:18] TR News "ProtonUp-Qt is a simple and great way to manage the likes of GE-Proton (previously known as Proton GE), the Luxtorpeda compatibility tool for Native Linux game engines and more." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/protonup-qt-for-easy-ge-proton-installs-on-linux-and-steam-deck-v270-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [05:18] TR Bot for easy GE-Proton installs on Linux and Steam Deck v2.7.0 out now | GamingOnLinux [05:19] starstreak I always wondered what that was like [05:20] Helenah What was? [05:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [05:20] Helenah Intersex or the actual condition? [05:20] Helenah I was lucky [05:20] *souseksi has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [05:20] starstreak intersex [05:21] Helenah When I was born, my mother was kept in the loop (luckily) about some surgical procedure they said they "had to do" [05:21] Helenah it was a lie [05:21] Helenah Anyway... [05:21] Helenah when she was told exactly like... what was going on... and found out it isn't even life threatening and can wait she turned it down... [05:21] Helenah arguing it should be my choice [05:21] Helenah while most parents of intersex children fell for this shit... [05:22] Helenah and end up growing up intersex advocates [05:22] heureka what is intersex? [05:22] Helenah Fighting for this stuff to not happen again [05:22] starstreak you are lucky [05:22] Helenah 'What does intersex mean? Intersex is a general term used for a variety of situations in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the boxes of female or male. Sometimes doctors do surgeries on intersex babies and children to make their bodies fit binary ideas of male or female.' [05:22] Helenah Sex is fluid, heureka [05:22] Helenah It isn't solid and binary like people think it is. [05:23] Helenah Typically it is binary and you are one or the other [05:23] Helenah but there are exceptions to this rule [05:23] Helenah The biology that drives sex development is not clear cut [05:23] Helenah It is not simple as 1 or 0 [05:23] Helenah a LOT MORE is going on behind the scenes. [05:23] Helenah and it can go wrong at any point [05:24] Helenah My cell structure is a mixture of cells containing a Y chromosome and cells not containing a Y chromosomes [05:24] Helenah so my cells were sexually developing in different ways from each other [05:24] Helenah which for me personally caused me to develop bits and pieces of both sexes. [05:25] Helenah You could say some of my cells are genetically male and some of my cells are genetically female [05:25] Helenah and they're all clumped together in a single entity (me) [05:25] heureka sexual hormones? [05:25] Helenah I don't take hormones. [05:25] heureka all people got them. [05:25] Helenah Yes I know [05:25] starstreak i did the 23andme thing and it said i was male, they asked me to confirm and asked if i was trans [05:26] Helenah Ah [05:26] Helenah It would probably say the same for me because of the mixture of both male and female DNA hanging around in my mucus. [05:27] Helenah The Y chromosome makes them put "Male" down cause like... er... that's how scientists classify this stuff that a Y chromosome makes a karyotypically male genome [05:27] TR News "GOG are making a big splash with "The GOG Sale" which is live now until September 5th, 10 PM UTC. Time to pick up a bunch of DRM free goodies?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/gog-have-a-huge-sale-going-with-giveaways-flash-deals/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [05:27] TR Bot have a huge sale going with giveaways, flash deals | GamingOnLinux [05:27] Helenah I don't classify myself as transgender by the way [05:27] Helenah Cause I was lucky [05:27] heureka i don't know, i wouldn't give it too much thought [05:28] Helenah heureka: I've had all my life to think about this stuff. [05:28] Helenah I'm not thinking up anything new. [05:28] Helenah just conversing. [05:28] heureka Helenah: everyone has to live through puberty [05:28] Helenah heureka: I've gone through puberty. [05:28] TR News "Valve has confirmed that production of the Steam Deck has gone better than expected, and so even more (yes again) people will be seeing their emails to purchase one." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/steam-deck-production-better-than-expected-q4-emails-already-going-out/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [05:28] TR Bot Deck production better than expected, Q4 emails already going out | GamingOnLinux [05:28] Helenah My cup size is 38B because of that [05:29] Helenah I do look boyish though, heureka [05:29] Helenah It doesn't bother me that I look boyish [05:29] DaemonFC https://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/sensibilities/indiana.htm [05:29] TR Bot The History of Sodomy Laws in the United States - Indiana [05:30] DaemonFC "In 1807, the Indiana Territory adopted a comprehensive criminal code3 that included a sodomy law that eliminated the gender-specifics and reduced the penalty to a maximum of 1-5 years in prison, a fine of $100-$500, up to 500 lashes "well laid on, on his or her bare back" and a permanent loss of civil rights.4 The imprisonment sentence was the third-longest in the criminal code, and the 500 lashes for sodomy were the most that could be given [05:30] DaemonFC for any crime. The new law was signed by Governor and future President William Henry Harrison.5" [05:30] DaemonFC Very progressive. [05:30] DaemonFC Only 5 years in prison and 500 lashes and a permanent loss of civil rights. [05:30] Helenah Please may you pastebin your texts? [05:30] Helenah It's just, it pushes everything into the scrollback. [05:31] TR News "If you are taking the first step in learning Bash scripting, then you have come to the right place." https://ostechnix.com/introduction-to-bash-scripting/ | Source: OSTechNix [05:31] TR Bot To Bash Scripting - OSTechNix [05:31] TR News "WordPress is an open source and free blogging application and a dynamic CMS (Content Management System) developed using MySQL and PHP." https://www.tecmint.com/install-wordpress-with-apache-on-centos-rhel-fedora/ | Source: TecMint [05:31] TR Bot How to Install WordPress with LAMP in RHEL Distributions [05:32] starstreak im 36C [05:33] Helenah I'm sweating a lot [05:33] Helenah Can't cope [05:33] Helenah my gf thinks I sweat excessively, she ain't lying [05:33] Helenah It's annoying when I just wanna open the window and she's like "No, it's freezing" [05:34] starstreak lol [05:34] Helenah and I'm like "How can I be pouring sweat if it's freezing?" but then other people will agree with her... so I don't bloody know anymore... [05:34] Helenah LOL [05:34] TR News BSDCan 2022 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/playlist?list=PLeF8ZihVdpFfttOtsot131byFrDVztt8T | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/PLeF8ZihVdpFfttOtsot131byFrDVztt8T https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeF8ZihVdpFfttOtsot131byFrDVztt8T [05:34] TR Bot BSDCan 2022 - Invidious [05:34] TR Bot 2022 - YouTube [05:34] Helenah Always something wrong one way or another :D [05:34] Helenah But there you go... :/ [05:35] Helenah Apparently it's 18C, starstreak [05:35] TR News iophk: that is what russia/murdoch/billbc media are trying to bury https://news.err.ee/1608693049/sanna-marin-the-baltics-should-have-been-heeded-over-russia [05:35] TR Bot Sanna Marin: The Baltics should have been heeded over Russia | News | ERR [05:35] Helenah Even at 13C I'm sweating [05:37] Helenah She also pointed out that I won't wear winter clothes and that even in winter time I'll wear summer clothes. LOL :D [05:37] Helenah Well cause it's fuckin hot! [05:37] Helenah If it's hot then I'm gonna wear something appropriate for that, no? [05:37] Helenah One thing you will notice with my selfies is I'm never in anything like sweaters and stuff. [05:37] Helenah Never in a coat [05:38] Helenah If it rains hard I'm like "Don't care if I got hardly anything on, I'm lovely the cool down on my body!" [05:38] DaemonFC "In other words, in only one type of criminal case in Indiana was it permissible to prejudice the jury against the defendant. Acts of "normal" sexual intercourse, including rape, would be shielded from the jurys knowledge." [05:38] DaemonFC The Indiana Supreme Court declared "rape" to be "normal" sexual intercourse and you couldn't bring that up to taint a jury in a sexual deviancy case. [05:39] DaemonFC Yeah, that sounds like Indiana. [05:39] TR News DuckDuckGo = Microsoft. More people finally "get" it... https://odysee.com/@TheLinuxExperiment:e/bye-duck-duck-go,-here's-my-new-search:8 http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo [05:39] TR Bot BYE DUCK DUCK GO, here's my new search engine! Private Alternatives to Google [05:39] TR Bot DuckDuckGo - Techrights [05:39] Helenah Rape was probably a natural thing in past times that was normal but we live in the 21st century, even in the 20th century rape was considered wrong, we are not cave people rather we are a society, a civilisation. [05:40] TR News The sportswashing of state terrorism https://www.salon.com/2022/08/23/golf-and-saudi-arabia-a-filthy-cycle-of-sportswashing_partner/ [05:40] TR Bot golf and Saudi Arabia: A filthy cycle of "sportswashing" | Salon.com [05:40] Helenah Or should I say the behaviour of forcing yourself onto someone else for sex to reproduce, it's classified as rape today but humans probably did all that back then [05:40] starstreak it gets cold at night lately [05:41] Helenah I mean I once saw a cat dive on a female cat LITERALLY DIVED [05:41] Helenah It was like... if those two weren't cats but were human... lol [05:41] Helenah One of em would be getting done for rape :D [05:41] Helenah Honestly, I saw the look on the female cat's face, it was like "What's going on here? I'm pegged down!", it wasn't happy, I could see that cat was not happy! [05:42] starstreak :( [05:42] Helenah And the male was like "Gotta do it as quick as possible! HUMP HUMP HUMP HUMP" [05:42] Helenah see? [05:42] TR News Reform or Recalibrate ISDS? - Lexology https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5086be87-a1d0-405f-b23f-449e1e92cb62 Source: Lexology | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5086be87-a1d0-405f-b23f-449e1e92cb62 [05:42] TR Bot or Recalibrate ISDS? - Lexology [05:42] Helenah Why would humans not have done that? :D [05:42] Helenah I bet they did... [05:42] schestowitz[TR] the tribes frowned upon it [05:42] schestowitz[TR] humkans live in groups [05:43] schestowitz[TR] cats do too [05:43] schestowitz[TR] some of themkm anyway [05:43] Helenah Wait so... [05:43] Helenah humans ALWAYS frown upon... forced sex? [05:43] Helenah ALWAYS?! [05:43] schestowitz[TR] the tribe would retaliate [05:43] heureka Bonobos aren't felines [05:43] Helenah And what about before homo sapiens, schestowitz[TR] ? [05:43] Helenah homo erectus for example [05:44] Helenah or earlier [05:44] schestowitz[TR] outside my field of expertise to be honest, AND [05:44] schestowitz[TR] if studied bya scholar [05:44] schestowitz[TR] it would be taboo area [05:44] schestowitz[TR] for academia [05:44] schestowitz[TR] like if a scholar said, trape used to be OK [05:44] schestowitz[TR] or race "science" [05:44] Helenah So they would be censorshiped basically on merely saying what could be fact? [05:45] schestowitz[TR] yes [05:45] TR News Fish Shell Tips and Tricks (Can Your Shell Do This?) https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/fish-shell-tips-and-tricks-(can-your:d [05:45] Helenah :/ [05:45] Helenah That's crazy... [05:45] schestowitz[TR] that's where we are [05:45] Helenah it's a harmless little thing said!!! [05:45] Helenah What's wrong with people?! [05:45] schestowitz[TR] there are manu factual things people cannot say anymore [05:45] schestowitz[TR] or think twice [05:45] schestowitz[TR] or word it cleverely [05:45] schestowitz[TR] oor apologise upfront [05:46] schestowitz[TR] btw [05:46] schestowitz[TR] this is deliberate [05:46] schestowitz[TR] intentional [05:46] schestowitz[TR] culture creep [05:46] Helenah Apparently forced sex regardless is classified as rape I just found out [05:46] schestowitz[TR] it weaponises masses into mass control lobs [05:46] Helenah even if it involves two cats or whatever... [05:46] Helenah meaning that tom cat raped that female cat [05:47] Helenah And I read it can be dangerous... o.O [05:47] schestowitz[TR] and then you usually end up incapable of saying things that threaten certain powerful interests [05:47] Helenah "It's actually quite dangerous for male cats to attempt rape, especially in the wild where they need to be fit to hunt in order to survive." [05:47] Helenah And I read other things that female cats can't willingly have sex. [05:47] DaemonFC The Indiana Supreme Court has had some unorthodox opinions. [05:47] schestowitz[TR] it turnes coeity into enforcer agaoinst itself [05:47] schestowitz[TR] *society [05:48] schestowitz[TR] the collective accountability/responsibility way [05:48] DaemonFC Your bedroom becomes "a public place" if a thief breaks into your home and witnesses you having sex. [05:48] DaemonFC Therefore, sex in your bedroom becomes a public place, therefore illegal. [05:48] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I once expressed support towards Edward Snowden while I was in college because if I remember that's when he ended up stuck in that embassy. [05:48] schestowitz[TR] ? [05:48] DaemonFC Better make sure those curtains are closed and the door is locked. [05:48] schestowitz[TR] embassy? [05:49] Helenah Yeah [05:49] Helenah Swedish embassy in the UK [05:49] schestowitz[TR] haha [05:49] Helenah He was stuck inside it for YEARS [05:49] schestowitz[TR] no. [05:49] Helenah So yeah anyway... [05:49] schestowitz[TR] you mixed up many things [05:49] Helenah ah [05:49] Helenah I expessed my support [05:49] Helenah Next thing... [05:49] schestowitz[TR] sweden = smear ampaign [05:49] schestowitz[TR] uk = assanmge [05:49] Helenah the teachers, the students, ALL GANGED ON ME [05:49] Helenah in one go! [05:49] schestowitz[TR] snowden was never in the uk afaika [05:49] Helenah And I was like WTF [05:49] schestowitz[TR] nad assange never in the us [05:49] schestowitz[TR] he claims [05:50] schestowitz[TR] ecuador is the embassy you think of [05:50] Helenah oh [05:50] schestowitz[TR] edward snowden was stuck in an airport in mocow [05:50] schestowitz[TR] after he had hidden in hong kong [05:50] Helenah So they all was shouting at me saying I'm wrong for supporting the theft of classified documents. [05:50] Helenah Really laid into me [05:50] Helenah I felt like I'd done something seriously wrong! o.O [05:51] Helenah I simply said a sentence... [05:51] schestowitz[TR] assange stole nothiong [05:51] schestowitz[TR] he published stuff sent to him [05:51] Helenah I know [05:51] Helenah Tell that to a brainwashed college... lol [05:51] schestowitz[TR] he did a service to the whisleblower [05:51] Helenah The WHOLE college... BRAIN WASHED [05:52] Helenah class of 13 students, "LETS ALL HAVE A GO AT HELENA FOR WHAT SHE SAID", two teachers joined in... [05:52] TR News "No Criminalization of Defamation" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/08/indonesias-new-draft-criminal-code-cracks-down-political-dissent | Source: EFF [05:52] TR Bot Indonesias New Draft Criminal Code Restrains Political Dissent | Electronic Frontier Foundation [05:52] Helenah Then the staffroom had a word with me [05:52] heureka Assange made a mistake: wikileaks had NOT required a "VIP" such as him [05:52] Helenah Then the damn college principle had a word with me [05:52] Helenah Why did they do that to me?! [05:52] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Yes [05:52] Helenah he did [05:52] TR News "Lopez filed suit on Tuesday, claiming that Pandora streamed two of his comedy albums" https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318930/george-lopez-comedian-sues-pandora-siriusxm-lewis-black-spotify | Source: The Verge [05:52] TR Bot George Lopez is the latest comedian to sue Pandora for unpaid royalties - The Verge [05:52] heureka for example, "dark net" and similar, everyone knows it exists, doesn't require any prominence either, to find it [05:53] TR News GulagTube https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-fires-back-in-content-id-lawsuit-haunted-by-fraud-allegations-220823/ | Source: Torrent Freak [05:53] TR Bot Fires Back in Content ID Lawsuit Haunted By Fraud Allegations * TorrentFreak [05:53] Helenah I had a video recording [05:53] Helenah Which the college [05:53] Helenah locked me in a room [05:53] heureka Assange wanted to be the big VIP poser; [05:53] Helenah and forced me to de-publicise it from the internet... [05:53] Helenah and then they said "And delete it from your student network drive too" and I was like "WTF you literally rummaged through EVERYTHING!" [05:54] Helenah I never disclosed it being on there, they randomly and silently checked the drive... [05:54] Helenah Said it was in "a log report" hold on a minute... [05:54] Helenah a college with hundreds of students.. you can't possibly monitor them all, they were looking at me specifically... [05:56] Helenah My gf says "The college had it in for you and wanted rid of you" [05:56] Helenah Because they later on said they got another log report [05:57] TR News "Here's a fast-paced tour of Android version highlights from the platform's birth to present" https://www.computerworld.com/article/3235946/android-versions-a-living-history-from-1-0-to-today.html | Source: Computer World [05:57] TR Bot versions: A living history from 1.0 to 13 | Computerworld [05:57] Helenah where I was putting executable files onto my network drive, executable files that do "malicious stuff to the college infrastructure" apparently... LOL [05:57] Helenah That day... they got rid of me... [05:57] TR News ">SQLite only comes with these few core functions. A few JSON functions have recently become builtin too" https://datastation.multiprocess.io/blog/2022-08-21-sqlite-limited-builtin-functions.html | Source: Data Station [05:57] TR Bot SQLite has pretty limited builtin functions [05:57] Helenah and they SHOUTED at me, as per usual, shout at Helenah automatically, don't find out if she is right or wrong first no, should at her, make her sensory processing disorder a nightmare for her... [05:58] TR News "Video recordings from BSDCan 2022 are now available." https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220823153925 | Source: Undeadly [05:58] TR Bot BSDCan 2022 videos are available [05:58] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: sounds like abuse [05:58] Helenah I was "hacking" [05:58] Helenah But because they told me they wanted me to [05:58] Helenah to help them secure their setup [05:58] schestowitz[TR] they did to you what those 3 rapists had done [05:59] Helenah I broke into their servers too, gained admin shell access [05:59] starstreak lol i had sub7 on my network drive in high school [05:59] schestowitz[TR] but without the physical contact [05:59] Helenah it wasn't hard [05:59] Helenah Stupid Windows [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 9.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 88.48 average k/sec., average swarm size 102.85 [05:59] Helenah how this be soo friggin EASY?! [05:59] TR News "Federal Judge J. Philip Calabrese sided with Ogletree yesterday, determining that the universitys room scan did constitute an unreasonable search" https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318067/cleveland-state-university-online-proctoring-decision-room-scan | Source: The Verge [05:59] TR Bot University cant scan students rooms during remote tests, judge rules - The Verge [05:59] Helenah Systems are supposed to have a little security at the very least... [05:59] Helenah So they go around patching the systems... [05:59] Helenah Then I exploit more vulnerabilities [05:59] schestowitz[TR] it's not designed to be securew [05:59] Helenah I gained control over every client workstation in the college [05:59] schestowitz[TR] it's design for control ● Aug 24 [06:00] schestowitz[TR] for some to control others [06:00] schestowitz[TR] not security [06:00] Helenah And er... the college freaked out cause everyones cursor was moving [06:00] Helenah and that was me [06:00] Helenah AB Tutor Control [06:00] Helenah used to monitor student systems, watch their screens, lock their screens, control the computer, etc, etc [06:01] TR News Health https://news.err.ee/1608692812/regulatory-amendment-to-allow-farmers-to-grow-higher-thc-cannabis-crops | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling [06:01] TR Bot Regulatory amendment to allow farmers to grow higher THC cannabis crops | News | ERR [06:01] Helenah I could make the library kiosks log into an admin shell by pulling the cable out during login process. [06:01] Helenah It would fail and throw me into an admin shell. [06:01] Helenah Another way I could do that was via a process kill on my OWN user! [06:01] Helenah o.O [06:01] Helenah They went around and patched it [06:02] TR News MinceR happy at last? https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/23/23318736/apple-macbook-part-prices-self-service-repair-program | Source: The Verge [06:02] TR Bot Heres how much Apple charges for every part to fix your own MacBook - The Verge [06:02] Helenah But do I get the attention and thank you for it? [06:02] Helenah Nope, I get a huge big fat GTFO [06:02] Helenah Next time, this is getting done under a legal contract... [06:02] *phanes has quit (connection closed) [06:02] *phanes (~phanes@vdaaabp6wfeza.irc) has joined #techrights [06:02] Helenah I will FORCE them to back up their infrastructure before I will even touch it and make sure no students and staff are working during the process [06:03] Helenah Apparently the kiosk system was wrote in "Delphi", WTF! [06:04] Helenah Delphi in 2010s?! [06:04] Helenah o.O [06:04] Helenah Eh? [06:04] starstreak oh wow delphi in 2010s [06:04] starstreak thats crazy [06:04] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I was promised a pentesting apprenticeship in return. [06:05] Helenah and I opted for that opportunity over the IT course I chose cause it was the only thing on the table... [06:05] Helenah Windows Technician stuff, I'm a GNU/Linux fuckin user not a Windows user! [06:05] Helenah I have been since 2005 [06:05] starstreak i ran gentoo back in 2003 [06:06] Helenah The day they kicked me out [06:06] Helenah They said I'm "screwed for life" [06:06] starstreak oh wait, 2004 [06:06] DaemonFC Heh, Indiana tried to pass a bill to put people with HIV/AIDS on a publicly available list (in 1984). [06:06] Helenah and will never be able to go into education again. [06:06] Helenah It was a crock of shit fed to me... [06:06] Helenah This does not prevent you from going back into education. [06:06] DaemonFC The same bill would have forced every hospital to test for HIV with all patients being admitted, and for people to undergo an HIV test before getting a marriage license. [06:06] Helenah Why? Because I signed up for a mathematics course at another college [06:07] Helenah who they apparently "Report student behaviour to" [06:07] Helenah So if such reporting is true then why did they take me on? [06:07] Helenah And why did they not mention it? [06:08] Helenah Maybe they got sick of nannying me too, I didn't ask for it, they offered it me, because I have this cancer, they contacted the exam board to get me some allowances, what I received was I was permitted to walk out of the exam room whenever I wented if I felt I needed a break, I got 5 minutes each time I walked out. [06:08] DaemonFC It's dangerous to "do" anything anymore. [06:09] DaemonFC Once you visit a Web page or go somewhere, your phone or some scripts running in your Web browser put it on your "permanent record". [06:09] DaemonFC Along with every Google search you've ever made. [06:09] Helenah I didn't even need to ask to walk out, they said "Just silently walk out and come back in" [06:09] Helenah permanent record? [06:10] Helenah I doubt that... [06:10] Helenah Doesn't sound possible... [06:10] Helenah I could be anyone [06:10] Helenah I could be Helena, Zoe, Ivee [06:10] Helenah Yes my real names [06:10] Helenah okies [06:10] Helenah right [06:10] Helenah yeah [06:10] DaemonFC mjg59_, JavaShit is "secure". [06:10] DaemonFC It's not even secure in the way he means it. [06:10] Helenah I told someone about this in another channel, my 3 full names. [06:10] Helenah brb [06:11] DaemonFC That it is guaranteed not to hijack and escape your Web browser and do nasty things on your computer or to some other tab. [06:11] DaemonFC It's not secure from an opsec point of view. [06:11] heureka impossible to review, too much clutter, and "security" updates every few days [06:11] heureka anyone ever git-diff those "security" updates? [06:11] DaemonFC Just like his favorite firmware, UEFI. [06:12] Helenah back [06:12] Helenah You won't believe I could return soo quickly with what I did and I ain't saying. [06:12] Helenah okies [06:12] DaemonFC Running JavaShit at all opens you up to attacks targeting SPECTRE-like vulnerabilities. [06:13] DaemonFC And GULAG's retpoline mitigations turned out to be inadequate as will anything else. [06:13] Helenah Yeah cause it is executed client side but servers are feeding it data at the same time. [06:13] Helenah Well not always [06:13] Helenah but Javascripts tend to do too much these days [06:13] Helenah stupid developers [06:13] Helenah they do a load of reporting, etc. [06:15] DaemonFC There we go. My blue Totoro shirt and my blue, black, and white camouflage pajama pants. [06:15] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [06:15] Helenah DaemonFC: Are you a boy or girl? [06:15] *DaemonFC puts on a beret and debates the finer points of overthrowing the government. [06:15] Helenah o.o [06:15] DaemonFC Male [06:16] Helenah Oh [06:16] Helenah clear cut male [06:16] Helenah okies [06:17] Helenah Government doesn't have to be evil but people think it's the only thing Government can be when in reality it's the people who run it. [06:18] Helenah Which could change and get better or get worse or it might just you know fluctuate [06:18] DaemonFC The government is evil. [06:18] DaemonFC Pure evil. [06:18] Helenah Like I've known times when Government was better and when it was worse [06:18] Helenah it has fluctuated throughout my life [06:18] Helenah It depends on the politician and party in power at the time and what they stand for [06:18] Helenah also the cabinet too [06:19] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR] probably noticed that Bogus Johnson hasn't done a hell of a lot to help with their gas bill. [06:19] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: You got a sky high gas bill too?! o.O [06:19] Helenah Mine went from... [06:19] Helenah 50/month [06:19] Helenah to [06:19] Helenah 500/month [06:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:20] DaemonFC Jesus Fuck! [06:20] Helenah and I was like "How that all of a sudden?" [06:20] Helenah I do NOT use gas! [06:20] Helenah My stove is electric... [06:20] Helenah My boiler is gas but rarely on... [06:20] Helenah My shower is electric but broken, I'm minimalist, I have wash downs and no bath... [06:20] DaemonFC People in /r/ChicagoSuburbs are complaining about their gas bills going from like $30-40 in the summer to like $100. [06:20] Helenah So I don't even use a lot of hot water... [06:20] Helenah and they can justify adding an extortion like that to my bill? [06:20] Helenah Charge some greedy cunt who uses fucktons of gas... [06:21] Helenah Not the fuckin' minimalist who uses hardly any... [06:21] Helenah Pfft, piss take... :/ [06:21] DaemonFC Yeah, Communist Edison charges a big fat fucking "customer fee" and another big fat fucking "standard meter fee". [06:21] DaemonFC So if you keep the air conditioner off, half your bill is the standard fee just for being hooked up to the power grid. [06:21] Helenah I don't have AC [06:22] Helenah I got plenty of cash [06:22] Helenah but still... [06:22] Helenah I'm not some greedy fat cat! [06:22] DaemonFC I keep it on during the day. [06:22] Helenah Charge the ones who are greedy [06:22] DaemonFC I turn it off at night and just use a bunch of fans. [06:22] Helenah and suck fucktons of resource out the grid with no care... [06:22] DaemonFC I have like three fans blowing on me while I sleep. [06:22] Helenah They'r the ones needing the extortion because they're DESTROYING THE PLANET [06:22] heureka charge what was consumed, that's sufficiently simple and avoids most moral hazards [06:22] Helenah I should be given nice prices for being kind to mother earth. [06:23] heureka anyone consumes 10x as much, charge 10x as much, simple. [06:23] DaemonFC Amazon was getting rid of a bunch of box fans. [06:23] Helenah It isn't that simple... cause that's like saying I'm charged for what I use... [06:23] Helenah I'm not charged for what I use... [06:23] Helenah I'm charged WAY more than that... [06:23] Helenah Like I said, I rarely use any gas... RARELY [06:24] Helenah I used zero gas today, zero gas yesterday, day before that I used a tiny bit of gas, just a lil water in a sink worth. [06:24] Helenah My usage habits have not changed... [06:24] Helenah heureka: ^ [06:25] Helenah I am eco-environmentally friendly, this is my principles, I am not perfectly but I try my hardest. [06:26] heureka ^ with a gas bill of 500/month [06:26] Helenah Yeah, the amount the company claims I should be paying... [06:27] DaemonFC https://www.poz.com/article/large-proportion-men-monkeypox-living-hiv [06:27] TR Bot Large Proportion of Men with Monkeypox Are Living With HIV - POZ [06:27] DaemonFC "Around 40% of people with monkeypox are living with HIV, but the proportion can be substantially higher in some areas, according to recent reports on the ongoing global outbreak." [06:27] Helenah heureka: You don't believe me, do you? :/ [06:27] Helenah Each to their own, I say... [06:27] DaemonFC Yeah, why stop there? [06:27] Helenah What I hate is how they blame gay people... [06:27] Helenah Come on... [06:27] Helenah you have sex with someone who has a disease you gonna get it... [06:28] Helenah It isn't about ones sexuality or their sex... [06:28] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR] pointed out it's a distraction. [06:28] DaemonFC An otherwise healthy person who gets Monkeypox will just have a really bad month and then recover. [06:28] DaemonFC And if you don't have sex with that person, you won't get it. [06:28] DaemonFC But the media is panicking people so they won't think about unemployment, national debt, hyperinflation. [06:29] Helenah Fuck employment, that ain't for me... [06:29] Helenah self-employment is more for me. [06:29] Helenah I have never been employed. [06:29] DaemonFC I have not had a single structured day since 2007. [06:30] Helenah DaemonFC: Welfare? [06:30] DaemonFC Well, I'll give you a hint. [06:31] starstreak this channel is a lot cleaner without daemon's trash [06:31] DaemonFC Roy says they don't give a fuck about me. That's the truth. [06:31] DaemonFC The feeling's mutual though. [06:31] Helenah starstreak: lol [06:31] DaemonFC Other than that I hate them and I want them all to die. [06:31] Helenah Who the hell is Roy? o.O [06:31] DaemonFC In a vague sense. [06:32] DaemonFC Who the hell is Roy? o.O [06:32] DaemonFC schestowitz [06:32] Helenah Who? [06:32] heureka Helenah: believe what? [06:32] Helenah heureka: When I say I use hardly any gas. [06:33] DaemonFC The UK is at the mercy of Vladimir V. Putin on the gas situation. [06:33] starstreak Helenah, schestowitz[TR] is Roy [06:33] heureka for 500Pound/month? [06:33] DaemonFC Proving how stupid their government really is. [06:33] Helenah DaemonFC: Right I'm paying an engineer to cap my gas mains in a bit. [06:34] Helenah I don't want it... [06:34] Helenah I do not want this gas... [06:34] Helenah No... [06:34] Helenah starstreak: Oh [06:34] heureka how many kWh are those 500Pound? 5000kWh/month? [06:35] Helenah heureka: The bill is in my gf's name... and I will be having a word with her about putting a cap on the gas mains. [06:35] Helenah I wash my body at the sink twice a week [06:35] Helenah That's how I wash [06:35] Helenah It uses gas [06:35] Helenah but it's a little bit of water in a sink [06:36] Helenah As for my kitchen... well... yeah I wash pots but more often than not, I use cold water because things tend to not be that mucky and therefore dead easy to clean with a lil soap and a lil cold water... [06:36] Helenah So I'm charged... 500/month just to have hot water to wash myself... [06:36] Helenah It's stupid... [06:37] Helenah I don't even pay that for a lil bit of water... [06:37] Helenah I would rather wash with freezing water... [06:37] Helenah I got plenty of money but I'm in protest... [06:37] Helenah Because I don't believe this is fair... [06:37] Helenah I don't believe this is the price of gas... [06:38] Helenah But yeah capitalists don't like minimalists, charge the minimalist who cares about the environment the extortion so the rich elite can have gas for the price of pennies. [06:39] starstreak 1 vCore CPU, 1 GB RAM, 20 GB SSD, $3/month CAD <-- Good deal? [06:39] *KiKi (~KiKi@gph63bcnfvisc.irc) has joined #techrights [06:39] Helenah "We don't like minimalists, they won't support are gas and electricity which earns us cash so we'll make the person who uses pennies worth of gas per week pay 500/month" [06:39] Helenah I AM GETTING REALLY ANGRY [06:39] Helenah I might need to leave... [06:39] Helenah and calm down, this isn't fair on your guys. [06:40] Helenah My anger is justified, the gas board wants to rob me.... over-charge me gas... [06:40] *Helenah (~s98259@wzs8dse5xhnbw.irc) has left #techrights (Calm down Helenah) [06:45] *Helenah (~s98259@wzs8dse5xhnbw.irc) has joined #techrights [06:45] Helenah I've calmed down. [06:49] DaemonFC That was fast. [06:52] Helenah DaemonFC: A lot of people have to be told but me? I'm self-controlling. [06:52] Helenah I jumped on it early... [06:53] Helenah What I mean is... [06:53] Helenah In IRC channels when people get firey, they most likely keep getting more firey and never come down and so some op has to intervene. [06:53] Helenah I would rather take responsibility for my own actions and not be told beforehand. [06:54] Helenah And saying this, we should probably go back onto tech maybe I'm not sure, is this a quasi-social channel? [06:55] starstreak im shopping for vpses [06:55] starstreak 1 vCore CPU, 1 GB RAM, 20 GB SSD, $3/month CAD <-- Good deal? [06:56] heureka starstreak: missing info, data-volume, such as GiB/month [06:57] starstreak it doesnt say :( [06:57] *horseface has quit (Quit: PING TIMEOUT!!! >9000 FOR SURE!!!) [06:59] Helenah Not all VPS providers do charge GiB/month [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 85.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 84.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 92.85 [06:59] Helenah not from what I've seen [06:59] heureka sure, $3/month is cheap; more info missing: DNS record included? [06:59] heureka often that's some extra free. [06:59] heureka then costs sum up quickly. [06:59] Helenah Yeah $3/month is cheaper than Digital Ocean and Vultr. ● Aug 24 [07:00] Helenah With them it would be $5/month [07:00] Helenah I got an hypervisor. [07:00] Helenah I offer services to my disadvantaged friends. <3 [07:00] Helenah and not just to myself [07:00] Helenah You see? [07:01] Helenah I help people, I give them things if I can. [07:01] starstreak :) [07:01] Helenah They get access to a VPS panel and everything. :3 [07:01] Helenah So they never have to bother me for things :D [07:01] starstreak have you ever used cjdns? [07:01] Helenah No [07:01] Helenah I heard of it though! [07:02] *heureka has quit (Quit: connection closed.) [07:02] Helenah the name that is [07:02] starstreak https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns [07:02] TR Bot - cjdelisle/cjdns: An encrypted IPv6 network using public-key cryptography for address allocation and a distributed hash table for routing. [07:02] Helenah And for anyone who wants to look at my cute girly nails while I look at this github page. :3 https://i.imgur.com/6qxQIhd.jpg [07:02] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [07:03] starstreak nice! [07:03] starstreak i need to do my nails again [07:03] starstreak during the christmas season i did them red and green like christmas [07:05] Helenah Interesting. :3 [07:05] Helenah starstreak: :D [07:05] Helenah : [07:05] Helenah :3 <3 [07:05] Helenah Get any pics? [07:06] Helenah I hope you didn't mind me asking that. o.o [07:07] starstreak of my christmas nails? nah [07:08] Helenah Oh [07:08] Helenah :3 [07:09] starstreak i just dm'd you a photo [07:10] starstreak glitter nails: https://i.imgur.com/oJWkThI.jpg [07:11] Helenah Oh wow nice! [07:11] Helenah I'm jealous of your big nails! o.o [07:11] Helenah Loads of area for a coat! :D [07:12] Helenah They look like the width of my gf's and my mothers :3 [07:12] starstreak im quite good at it [07:12] Helenah My hands are smaller than my mothers and so are my erm... [07:12] Helenah What was I saying now? [07:12] Helenah Yeah my head yes are smaller than hers :D [07:13] Helenah Like my gf says "Your mother has big hands like mine but yours are really tiny" [07:13] Helenah Even my dad has big hands, bigger hands than my mother. [07:13] starstreak ok so when i was suffering from psychosis, i thought the police were after me [07:13] starstreak so i did this: https://i.imgur.com/ZeRI0Ay.jpg [07:13] starstreak trying to appease them [07:13] starstreak lol [07:14] Helenah o.o [07:14] Helenah Oh dear [07:14] Helenah How are you now though? [07:14] starstreak im good now [07:14] starstreak im on anti psychotics [07:15] starstreak my favourite is this clear glitter nail polish i can use on top of any colour [07:15] starstreak im surprised i dont have a picture of christmas nails :( [07:16] Helenah Phew! :3 [07:16] DaemonFC https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mT3P0YSNonE [07:17] TR Bot Can the economy grow forever? - Invidious [07:17] DaemonFC Infinite economic growth is possible, if you consider "bullshit" to add to the Gross Domestic Product. [07:17] Helenah It will probably collapse at some point, DaemonFC [07:17] Helenah Capitalism is not sustainable if it just hikes up prices and makes the poor suffer. [07:18] DaemonFC Most valuation of the stock market is fake and has been for some time. They value "IP" in ways that are hard for people to fathom. [07:18] Helenah They'll come a cut off point where the world will just stop buying because it can't and so capitalism would collapse as nobody will be able to afford to sustain it any longer. [07:18] DaemonFC Capitalism is not sustainable if it just hikes up prices and makes the poor suffer. [07:18] DaemonFC That's been going on in the United States constantly since 1913. [07:18] Helenah hmm [07:18] Helenah Yeah but... [07:18] DaemonFC The Federal Reserve's dual mandate is maximum employment and price stability. [07:18] Helenah this stuff doesn't happen over night, in a year, decade, whatever [07:19] Helenah What I'm talking about takes a LONG LONG time [07:19] Helenah starstreak: Aww, I wanted to see those! [07:19] DaemonFC But inflation *is* price instability and we've had such bad inflation since the Federal Reserve was enacted, that a dollar is only worth a few cents. [07:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [07:20] DaemonFC A meal costs a few dollars and keeps you alive. [07:20] starstreak i even checked facebook [07:20] DaemonFC A gallon of gas costs $3.95 and gets you to work and back that day. [07:20] DaemonFC A movie ticket costs $20? [07:20] Helenah A mean costs a few dollars?! o.O [07:20] Helenah Dafuq?! [07:21] Helenah How?! [07:21] starstreak unfortunately i go in to facebook every week and delete all my posts, comments and reacts [07:21] DaemonFC If you do things right, it can. [07:21] Helenah DaemonFC: A bottle of milk costs me a few dollars... [07:21] DaemonFC A gallon of milk costs about $3. [07:21] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:21] starstreak lol i still have him on ignore [07:22] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:22] DaemonFC I remember in 1990 or so. [07:22] DaemonFC Supermarkets, actual supermarkets. Local ones. [07:22] DaemonFC They'd sell you a gallon of milk for 89 cents maybe? [07:23] Helenah Cheaper than I thought... [07:23] Helenah 1.71 USD for 4 pints of whole milk. [07:23] DaemonFC A dozen eggs back then was like 59 cents. [07:23] DaemonFC Now you can barely get two eggs for that. [07:23] Helenah Well it's almost a few... [07:23] starstreak i think its almost $5 CAD for 4L milk [07:23] starstreak in Canada [07:24] Helenah I can get 6 eggs for 1.18 USD, DaemonFC [07:24] DaemonFC A loaf of name brand bread was about 79 cents. Now I'm paying over $3 for the same quality. [07:24] DaemonFC Things have gotten pretty bad. [07:24] starstreak $3.59 CAD for 12 eggs [07:24] DaemonFC And mostly in the last two years. [07:25] DaemonFC You add it all up, I'm paying $600 a month to feed two people. [07:25] DaemonFC In 2020, I was only paying $400 and we were eating at least as well as this. [07:26] Helenah Spagetti Bolognese: 4.95 USD [07:26] starstreak these days I just use facebook for the memes [07:26] DaemonFC I like using my slow cooker. [07:26] starstreak there is this badass facebook group called "If you go far enough left you get your guns back" [07:27] DaemonFC You've got some meat, some vegetables. Whip up a sauce for it and it's dinner! [07:27] DaemonFC People in the 70s were just....different than they are now. Hell, the 90s. I mean, you had food on the table and it was decent you were happy. [07:28] starstreak https://i.imgur.com/oqFD4Nu.jpg [07:28] DaemonFC Now people are all like "This isn't vegan and organic and there's chemicals!" and it's like, "Dude, it's fucking Burger King. They have fries and burgers!". [07:28] DaemonFC Nobody makes you go in there. [07:28] DaemonFC Go home and juice something. We'll both be happy. [07:28] Helenah Petrol: 7.620 USD per Gallon DaemonFC [07:29] Helenah You Americans trash the planet... [07:29] DaemonFC These are what the anti-smoking people are up to these days. [07:29] Helenah Why are you selling fossil fuels soo cheap?! [07:29] DaemonFC Why are you selling fossil fuels soo cheap?! [07:29] DaemonFC Because we're not totally insane. [07:29] Helenah Wait? [07:29] DaemonFC And we like to have some standard of living. [07:29] Helenah What? [07:29] Helenah Yeah so do I but... [07:29] Helenah Petrol is not a requirement for that. [07:29] DaemonFC We haven't been brainwashed by people who fly around in private jets by themselves, like you people have. [07:30] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [07:30] Helenah Humans are greedy, selfish, they try justifying lots of travel as a need [07:30] Helenah when it isn't [07:30] DaemonFC Who say "climate change is so bad....but not bad enough to get rid of the jet!". [07:30] Helenah DaemonFC: I think the jet should go too... [07:30] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:30] Helenah Just we were talking about petrol... [07:30] Helenah which is bad also... [07:30] DaemonFC You guys are literally panicking based on what Bill Gates says in the Billshit section of the BillBC. [07:30] Helenah I don't know what he said... [07:31] DaemonFC The guy eats hamburgers, tells you to eat locusts. [07:31] DaemonFC The guy flies on private jets to private islands where he can fuck 12 year old girls in private. [07:31] Helenah He fucks 12 year old girls? [07:31] Helenah o.o [07:31] Helenah Also... [07:31] DaemonFC (Epstein) [07:31] DaemonFC (Lolita Express) [07:32] Helenah What does this guy have to do with bill gates?! [07:32] Helenah You're dwindling lol [07:32] Helenah You mention bill gates then... [07:32] Helenah send me a link to some random man... [07:32] Helenah name sorry [07:32] DaemonFC Bill was trying to buy a Nobel Prize by way of his ties to Epstein. [07:32] Helenah Ah [07:32] DaemonFC Bill Gates controls a lot of what people read and listen to. [07:32] DaemonFC He corrupts the media. [07:33] DaemonFC I'll take climate change more seriously when rich people give up their jets. [07:33] DaemonFC And move into an efficiency apartment. [07:33] Helenah So... [07:33] DaemonFC And turn the air conditioner to 86 degrees. [07:33] Helenah You think two wrongs make a right? [07:33] Helenah What's wrong with you? [07:33] Helenah How can you go and not care about the environment because other people don't? [07:33] DaemonFC It's propraganda. [07:33] Helenah No...climate change is not propaganda... it's real... [07:33] starstreak Helenah, hes insane [07:33] DaemonFC I've seen your old weather maps. [07:34] Helenah Part of it happens naturally [07:34] Helenah but humans are accelerating it [07:34] Helenah DaemonFC: I don't have any weather maps... [07:34] DaemonFC The only thing that's different today is that they take the same temperatures and put angry fire engine red all over the UK. [07:34] Helenah So I don't know what you are talking about... [07:34] DaemonFC And tell you to lose your shit over the same temperatures from 20 years ago when there was a nice "sunny day" icon on the TV. [07:34] starstreak Helenah, he likes to make up facts to support his opinions [07:34] Helenah hmm [07:35] starstreak I pointed out to him the other day that anti abortion is just white supremacy. Most abortions are by white people and they want to shut it down to increase the population without immigration. [07:35] starstreak He tried saying black people get the most abortions and I proved him wrong with data [07:36] DaemonFC In 2012 in Indiana there was a heat wave. I think it was 2012 anyway. The reservoir dried up that summer, there wasn't much rain. There was a string of 115-ish degree days. [07:36] DaemonFC They're on the news going climate change! Climate change!!!!!! Soylent Green is made of PEEEEEEEOPLE!!!!! [07:36] starstreak he ignored the data and posted a wall of text [07:36] DaemonFC And then you look at the history of heat waves, and Indiana had one just as bad in the 1950s. [07:37] Helenah Why do you keep going on about the media?! [07:37] Helenah I've been alive for 28 years [07:37] Helenah I can feel the summers and winters getting warmer [07:37] DaemonFC Because the only reason people even know it's happening is because the media is screaming about it. [07:37] Helenah I don't need a damn news reporter to tell me this when I can experience it... [07:38] DaemonFC It's even dumber than the wall to wall COVID. [07:38] DaemonFC That's nice. I've been alove for over 38 years. [07:38] Helenah You think covid is fake? [07:38] DaemonFC And it's about the same now as it ever was. [07:38] starstreak he is a republican btw [07:39] DaemonFC You think covid is fake? [07:39] Helenah Ahah, you claim to have been alive for 38 years and yet you argue the climate has not changed at all?! [07:39] Helenah DaemonFC: I've had it... [07:39] DaemonFC No, my mom and my brother had it and neither one are in great shape. [07:39] Helenah I haven't had a common cold or flu since I was a little child... [07:39] DaemonFC She's 65 and he's fat. [07:39] DaemonFC Really fat. [07:39] Helenah my immune system is very good [07:39] Helenah And then comes... this year [07:39] Helenah and BAM I'm hit by something I've never felt before [07:39] Helenah that has cold and flu like symptoms [07:39] Helenah It's fuckin real! [07:40] DaemonFC Ehh, it was like a flu she told me. [07:40] DaemonFC With the pills it was like a mild case of the flu. [07:40] Helenah I took nothing for it [07:40] Helenah Was over it in only 2 days [07:40] DaemonFC I think people just need to quit with the excess worry. [07:40] Helenah I am not worrying dude... [07:40] Helenah I am merely conversing [07:40] starstreak lol you know what really grinds my gears? [07:40] DaemonFC There's treatments for it. Some cause for alarm when there was nothing to do about it. [07:40] Helenah And merely stating the fact that I had covid-19 [07:41] Helenah That isn't worry... [07:41] Helenah That's just throwing fact onto the table... [07:41] Helenah starstreak: What's that? [07:41] starstreak DaemonFC can sit in this channel being racist, transphobic and spreading disinformation about covid and climate change but when I start talking about reptilians, Roy says I make the channel look bad [07:41] DaemonFC When we were vaccinated, only about 4% of the people in this state were. [07:41] DaemonFC I figured out how to jump the line and get vaccinated while they were still doing the old people. [07:41] Helenah starstreak: Wow WTF [07:42] starstreak yeah lol [07:42] Helenah One rule for a man (DaemonFC for example) and another rule for a woman... [07:42] starstreak *I* make the channel look bad compared to the shit daemonfc does every day [07:42] Helenah I wonder which of my topics he'll fall against? :D [07:42] Helenah I just seem to detect some misogyny. [07:42] starstreak i wouldn't be surprised if daemonfc hates women too [07:42] DaemonFC I don't hate women. [07:43] Helenah But you hate trans women who are women? [07:43] DaemonFC If I said, "I really hate that particular person!" and that person is a woman.... Would it be fair to say I hate "women"? [07:44] Helenah DaemonFC: Did they go to a gender psychologist? [07:44] Helenah gender psychiatrist even [07:44] Helenah Cause like... [07:44] Helenah Maybe if they just... [07:44] DaemonFC What I said is I really don't like Keith. I said I think what he did to his wife and especially his two young girls was abhorrent and worthy of the most extreme contempt. That no psychiatrist agreed he was actually transgender, and that the only reason he got the surgery was because he went to Canada with money. [07:44] Helenah tossed themselves throug treatments as fast as possible... [07:44] Helenah with no thought what so ever... [07:45] starstreak one day someone is going to sue Roy for the shit that DaemonFC says and he will wish he had an enforced CoC [07:45] Helenah then that might have drove them crazy... but hey I don't know cause I don't know them... [07:45] DaemonFC I also said he had a lot of nerve crashing a funeral that nobody invited him to, that my Aunt would have asked him not to be at could she have spoken (it was her funeral), and that I think he's a wretch for doing that. [07:46] Helenah Funerals are public events dude.. [07:46] Helenah They're not by invite... [07:46] DaemonFC No, they are private. [07:46] Helenah Wow you lay the law down like my grandma! [07:46] Helenah Not here they aren't... [07:46] Helenah They're public events, anyone can go to any funeral... [07:46] DaemonFC My cousins could have kicked him out and didn't. I guess that's their decision at that point. [07:46] DaemonFC But they don't like him. [07:47] Helenah Like my er... [07:47] Helenah gf [07:47] Helenah who has schizophrenia [07:47] Helenah she went crazy herself, you know? [07:47] Helenah She turned to the church during a psychosis [07:47] starstreak i feel bad for the trans woman who can't be part of her family anymore because shes trans (according to Daemon) [07:47] Helenah and delusions and stuff [07:47] Helenah and erm... [07:47] Helenah She was like working for them lol [07:47] DaemonFC i feel bad for the trans woman who can't be part of her family anymore because shes trans (according to Daemon) [07:47] Helenah And she sat in every funeral [07:47] DaemonFC He turned his back on his children. [07:47] Helenah EVERY FUNERAL she sat in [07:48] Helenah people she didn't know [07:48] DaemonFC Now they don't want anything to do with him. [07:48] DaemonFC At least if I did ever get a woman pregnant I'd stay around and help raise the kid even if it meant what I wanted to do was over. [07:48] DaemonFC Unfortunately, a lot of people have no decency anymore. [07:49] DaemonFC A lot of people love their children even if raising them is difficult, inconvenient, or annoying sometimes. And even if it's stressing them out and literally sucking their life out. [07:50] DaemonFC But others just bolt and leave their ex-wife to do it alone. [07:50] DaemonFC Why am I the only one who thinks Keith did something wrong here? [07:51] Helenah So do you think someone wakes up one morning and thinks "Hey I'm gonna be a woman, go clothes shopping put a frock, some high heels and go being a diva in the streets"? [07:51] DaemonFC The media has portrayed single-parent households too well. It [07:51] DaemonFC *It's undesirable, socially. [07:52] DaemonFC So do you think someone wakes up one morning and thinks "Hey I'm gonna be a woman, go clothes shopping put a frock, some high heels and go being a diva in the streets"? [07:52] DaemonFC According to starstreak he would have known before he even married her, much less got her pregnant 8 years later. [07:53] Helenah The reason I said that is because you seem to portray complicated matters that you do not understand as being simple in order to suit yourself. [07:53] Helenah It is well known, I researched it... [07:53] DaemonFC It was pretty simple. [07:54] Helenah That trans women and trans men [07:54] Helenah go through a LOT of life mistakes, and wrong paths before they come out... [07:54] DaemonFC It was even simpler back in those days. [07:54] Helenah Maybe if you actually did you research you would find the same things... [07:54] DaemonFC I would have had a stroke if one of my parents did that. [07:54] Helenah This involved mistakenly dating and marrying the wrong people... [07:54] Helenah and even wrongly having kids too [07:54] Helenah mistake also [07:54] starstreak I came out at 34, I was seperated and could have had kids [07:55] DaemonFC It was bad enough they got divorced like a couple of selfish jerks, but at least my dad didn't go pull that shit. [07:55] DaemonFC I don't think I could've processed that too. [07:55] Helenah But you would rather sit here and make it seem simple and black and white "Should've known better" attitude [07:55] Helenah If I was to stick a coin into a jar each time someone says "They should've known better, it's dead simple" I would be rich right now. [07:55] *KiKi has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:55] Helenah I'd be able to fly you to LA in a private jet... [07:56] DaemonFC Yeah, I knew I was gay. I didn't get married, wait 8 years, get someone pregnant, and then bolt on my family to go "Well, I'm gay now!". [07:56] DaemonFC Kind of the same thing. [07:57] Helenah People have made people live inside themselves, deep inside themselves [07:57] Helenah and forced them to pretend to be someone they're not [07:57] Helenah and then when such person makes all these life mistakes... [07:57] Helenah people like you tell them "You should've known better than to have kids", blah blah blah [07:57] Helenah You do not understand life... [07:57] Helenah And you do not understand other peoples lives [07:58] Helenah and you refuse to as well [07:58] Helenah I've sent you links before now and it appeared like you just looked right past them... [07:58] DaemonFC I also mentioned he's a tax cheat. [07:58] DaemonFC Which blew up in his face because he can't collect Social Security. [07:59] Helenah And what if them pretending to be a man has caused them to make mistakes in life? [07:59] Helenah Like I kept saying [07:59] DaemonFC He would have been able to draw it based on my Aunt's earnings record, but they weren't married 10 years. [07:59] DaemonFC So he can never draw Social Security. [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 67.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 131.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 112.58 [07:59] Helenah You can keep throwing the shit they have apparently done in this channel [07:59] DaemonFC Because he divorced her a few months before 10 years and cheated the IRS..... [07:59] DaemonFC He gets what he deserves. [07:59] Helenah It's soo easy to say "They get what they deserve" [07:59] Helenah with anyone ● Aug 24 [08:00] Helenah Soo easy to say that [08:00] DaemonFC He loses millions of dollars and can find someone to take care of him when he's too old to run that body shop anymore. [08:00] Helenah WITHOUT even [08:00] Helenah trying [08:00] Helenah to put yourself [08:00] Helenah in their shoes and seeing what is going on in their mind... [08:00] Helenah Condemn first, understand later... [08:00] starstreak its like arguing with a brick wall right? [08:00] Helenah How backward... [08:00] DaemonFC It's a bitter irony that someone who ran out on his girls is now reaping this harvest. [08:00] DaemonFC He'll have to rely on the charity of others. [08:00] Helenah starstreak: I'm wired on adrenaline right now... I need to reach a conclusion... [08:01] Helenah 07:00:46 DaemonFC | He'll have to rely on the charity of others. [08:01] Helenah Yep and so do other people at times... [08:01] Helenah Why do you think charity exists? [08:01] DaemonFC He doesn't have any family left that cares. [08:01] Helenah For people to donate and never take from it? [08:02] DaemonFC If he'd paid his damned taxes or stayed and raised his family, he'd be cashign $2,500 monthly checks from Social Security now that he'll never get. [08:02] Helenah DaemonFC: Did you know I let myself and my house go one time? [08:03] DaemonFC He also destroyed his lungs with those fumes at his shop and can't get Medicare. [08:03] Helenah maybe I'm a scumbag for not doing house chores for not taking care of my hygiene [08:03] Helenah for supporting criminals due to Stockholm Syndrome [08:03] DaemonFC You have to have work quarters for Medicare and he cheated the IRS. [08:03] Helenah "Oh look Helenah is a scumbag she harboured criminals" [08:03] Helenah NOTHING is this simple man! [08:04] Helenah You want to know why? [08:04] DaemonFC It's impossible for him to go back and correct his earnings record now. [08:04] Helenah I lived in a rough area [08:04] Helenah no support [08:04] Helenah People putting on me, raping me, abusing me... [08:04] Helenah I couldn't function [08:04] Helenah How do I know your family didn't do the same thing with that person? [08:04] DaemonFC The IRS never audited him and if he tries to fix it now, it'll bring years of deliberate failure to files to their attention. [08:04] Helenah If they did then how do you expect them to function properly and do better? [08:04] DaemonFC And he could be facing criminal charges. [08:05] Helenah DaemonFC: What else do you want to argue about? :) [08:05] DaemonFC What I'm getting at is he's not having a very good life. [08:05] Helenah Cats? Dogs? Why the coffee table is slanted? [08:05] *horseface has quit (connection closed) [08:05] DaemonFC People who wrong others shouldn't expect a large safety net for themselves when they fall down. [08:06] Helenah In your eyes, I probably shouldn't expect a safety net then. [08:06] Helenah Cause I done wrong [08:06] Helenah "harboured criminals" [08:06] Helenah Right?! [08:06] Helenah That's correct, right? It really is true! [08:06] Helenah You agree? [08:07] DaemonFC Cats? Dogs? Why the coffee table is slanted? [08:07] DaemonFC Well, the coffee table was $20 at IKEA so.... [08:08] Helenah DaemonFC: So back onto me now :D [08:08] DaemonFC My point was that I'm not a "transphobe", I simply don't like Keith. [08:09] Helenah I'm a scumbag, aren't I? [08:09] Helenah I harboured criminals [08:09] DaemonFC I'm not sure what his psychiatrist would say today. [08:09] DaemonFC I'm a scumbag, aren't I? [08:10] DaemonFC I can't judge you. I don't know you. [08:10] Helenah Correct answer. :) [08:10] DaemonFC As a gay person I know what would have happened to me in my own home state had I been born a few decades or 100 years sooner. [08:11] DaemonFC 500 lashes, 5 years in prison, huge fine....or maybe death, or possibly just a psychiatric "hospital"..... [08:11] DaemonFC They never could decide. [08:11] DaemonFC That's how people who believe in God and try to guess what God wants tend to act. [08:12] DaemonFC "We have to be cruel, but maybe not kill the guy, okay maybe kill him.....No, wait.....It would be unfair to kill a crazy person. [08:17] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:17] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [08:19] Helenah 07:12 "We have to be cruel, but maybe not kill the guy, okay maybe kill him.....No, wait.....It would be unfair to kill a crazy person. [08:19] Helenah You see... [08:19] Helenah If you hadn't said lil things like this from when you first started talking about this person... [08:19] Helenah And so therefore there wasn't anything EXTREMELY NASTY ever said... [08:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [08:20] Helenah Like if you had initiated such discussion... without sounding hostile about this person... [08:20] Helenah And having some like neutralness to your language... [08:20] Helenah Then I would've most likely believed that there are no secrets being kept. [08:20] Helenah Like maybe mistreatment to this person? [08:21] Helenah You say in one sentence, you say maybe kill him to say maybe not to say it would be unfair to kill a crazy person [08:21] Helenah but I noticed this a lot, you are in conflict with what you really want to say :) [08:21] Helenah Deep down you probably want this person dead... [08:22] Helenah but you are in conflict, a battle with what you really want and as a result are forming nonsensical sentences like that... [08:22] Helenah Maybe you don't want... repercussions from your words... your sentences, what you want to happen to this person... [08:23] DaemonFC No, I meant, that's how society goes back and forth. [08:23] DaemonFC Through the laws. [08:23] DaemonFC They would have just killed me at various points. [08:24] DaemonFC Today transgender people seem to think they're being actively persecuted every time someone goes "Yeah sure whatever." and goes on about their day. [08:24] Helenah Then I guess you've never heard of secret hide outs... [08:24] Helenah If you think you would've simply be killed [08:24] Helenah "simply" [08:24] Helenah You've to be court in an act first... [08:25] DaemonFC Yes, and that tends to happen when the police actively entrap you. [08:25] Helenah In the UK, back in Victorian times, there was an LGBT community [08:25] Helenah I ain't kididng [08:25] Helenah it was there [08:25] Helenah it was thriving [08:25] Helenah it was living [08:25] Helenah and it was keeping alive [08:25] Helenah Why? [08:25] Helenah Because they had secret bars [08:25] Helenah where they could be themselves [08:25] DaemonFC And when you say to the court that the entrapment was illegal, the judges go "HAHAHA NOBODY CARES FAGGOT! DEATH SENTENCE!" and bangs the gavel. [08:25] Helenah where they could keep safe away from the prejudice society who would call the shots the moment they see how it would've been put "A man in a frock" [08:25] Helenah But but... [08:26] DaemonFC I mean, that's how courts worked then, you know. [08:26] DaemonFC Literally. [08:26] Helenah Did you know that the UK police knew transgender well back then? [08:26] Helenah Why? Because they had information about everybody [08:26] Helenah because it was soo difficult being transgender back then [08:26] Helenah They HAD to know everyone [08:26] Helenah They HAD to know who to trust and who to not trust [08:26] DaemonFC Dressing up like a woman was the stuff of comedy. [08:27] Helenah and so they KNEW everyone and the police relied on them for information so really even if it was frown upon and against the law back then, the police were not killing them. [08:27] DaemonFC Monty Python there, the guy in MASH that was trying to get a discharge for being crazy over here. [08:27] Helenah DaemonFC: I'm not talking about drag queens... [08:27] Helenah I'm talking about trans wmen [08:27] Helenah *women [08:27] DaemonFC You figure they could use men dressing like women for comedic effect today? [08:27] DaemonFC They won't. [08:27] Helenah Actually no drag queens are still a thing... [08:28] Helenah so why wouldn't they be used in comedy? [08:28] DaemonFC I was with a drag queen for a while you know. Why the hell do I care? [08:28] DaemonFC He didn't deny that he was a man. [08:28] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [08:28] Helenah 07:28 I was with a drag queen for a while you know. Why the hell do I care? [08:29] Helenah 07:28 He didn't deny that he was a man. [08:29] Helenah Whose denying they're a man? [08:29] Helenah A drag queen is a man but whose denying being a man? [08:29] DaemonFC Trans women. [08:29] DaemonFC It's like denying a force of nature. [08:29] Helenah 07:29:28 DaemonFC | Trans women. [08:29] DaemonFC Nature made me a man. I can't factually change this. [08:30] DaemonFC I don't really want to, but the debate is pointless. [08:30] Helenah No, nature made you karyotypically male and phenotypically male. [08:30] DaemonFC Sometime while I was in the womb, maybe late 1983 or so, that happened, and I'm a man now. [08:30] Helenah It didn't make you a man or a woman. [08:31] Helenah sex is fluid [08:31] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Yeah you're a man in the same way that a trans woman is a woman [08:31] mjg59_ Easy enough [08:31] Helenah Hence why I have an intersex condition [08:31] Helenah cause sex is damn fluid [08:31] DaemonFC Remember when the left made fun of Trump's administration over alternative facts? [08:31] DaemonFC I can say I'm a woman but it would just be alternative facts if I said that. [08:31] Helenah DaemonFC: My body's cell structure consists of a mixture of genetically male and genetically female cells. [08:31] Helenah So am I both? [08:31] Helenah In your eyes? [08:31] Helenah Cause in my eyes I'm a woman. [08:33] mjg59_ Helenah: Ryan's an unrepentant transphobe who's also incapable of actually engaging in logical discussion [08:33] Helenah mjg59_: Is DaemonFC called Ryan? [08:33] mjg59_ Helenah: Yeah [08:33] Helenah I already know they're a transphobe. :D [08:33] Helenah But hey [08:33] Helenah you confirmed it! :D [08:33] mjg59_ Helenah: Roy keeps reposting his stuff for some reason despite the transphobia and the racism [08:34] Helenah hmm [08:34] Helenah If he says a great thing... [08:34] Helenah I may repost myself... [08:34] DaemonFC I'm not afraid of trans people. [08:34] Helenah but I certainly won't repost any crap... [08:34] mjg59_ DaemonFC: People with photophobia aren't afraid of light [08:34] DaemonFC Like, I'll go up and shake your hand and say "Hey, how are you getting along?". [08:35] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Doesn't mean they're not photophobic [08:35] *Helenah holds up the Photophobia card [08:35] Helenah But hey DaemonFC has a point here... [08:35] Helenah I've thought about this myself... [08:35] Helenah phobe = fear [08:35] Helenah but is defined as hatred when it comes to transphobia, homophobia, etc [08:35] DaemonFC I don't have a fear of trans people I just don't think the way they do I suppose. [08:35] DaemonFC Actual bigotry would be something like calling for them to be killed or socially excluded. [08:35] mjg59_ That's the original etymology, but "intolerance" is a better fit for many uses of it in compound terms [08:36] DaemonFC Or you know, stuff like that. [08:36] DaemonFC I tolerate them. [08:36] Helenah DaemonFC: Calling a trans woman a man is bigotry in the eyes of trans people. [08:36] mjg59_ Not just trans people [08:36] Helenah Yeh, I was speaking definitively. [08:36] Helenah But yeah, other people too [08:36] DaemonFC I am never saying "they/them". Ever. [08:36] DaemonFC It reads wrong. [08:37] Helenah They and them is gender-neutral [08:37] DaemonFC It's a corruption of the language. [08:37] Helenah defined that by the English language itself [08:37] Helenah No, it's not corruption, it's accurate. [08:37] Helenah They're terms which can be applied to groups, to living things which you don't know the gender of [08:37] Helenah or... [08:37] Helenah they are non-binary [08:37] Helenah or whatever [08:37] mjg59_ Singular they has plenty of precedence [08:37] DaemonFC In general, if it makes people feel comfortable if I say "he" or "she", then sure. I'll do that. [08:38] Helenah mjg59_: Yep [08:38] Helenah mjg59_ said it nicer than me. [08:38] DaemonFC Not for Keith. I just don't like him at all. Not one bit. [08:38] DaemonFC It still says Male and Keith on his driver's license. [08:39] DaemonFC He's never bothered to get that changed, so it's not even legally correct. [08:39] Helenah DaemonFC: So lets say you played a game of "Guess the sex of that slug" and you get a tray of 5 slugs, how would you define their sex? [08:39] DaemonFC You don't even need a court order in Indiana to change your gender to "X" to get it stricken from your license. [08:40] DaemonFC So that's even easier than going to court and having the court order you legally a woman. [08:40] DaemonFC DaemonFC: So lets say you played a game of "Guess the sex of that slug" and you get a tray of 5 slugs, how would you define their sex? [08:41] DaemonFC Slugs are hermaphroditic. [08:41] Helenah Correct! [08:41] Helenah It was a test. [08:41] Helenah So there you go, sex it's fluid [08:41] Helenah slugs? They're part of the animalia kingdom [08:41] DaemonFC In certain animals. [08:41] Helenah most cratures are of one of the binary sexes [08:41] Helenah some are like you say hermaphrodites [08:42] Helenah but animals evolved around each other [08:42] Helenah mammals are very similar sexually [08:42] DaemonFC Singular they has plenty of precedence [08:42] DaemonFC Seems like the last few years maybe. [08:42] mjg59_ Rather more than that [08:42] Helenah DaemonFC: It's always been that way. [08:42] DaemonFC I don't recall anyone using this forced error before that. [08:42] Helenah Just people wasn't open minded when it came to applying the term. [08:42] Helenah *as [08:43] mjg59_ Is the use of singular "you" a corruption of English? [08:43] Helenah DaemonFC: That's because the world was more prejudice [08:43] Helenah Lets say you live in Victorian times [08:44] Helenah You are looking afar [08:44] Helenah you see a person [08:44] Helenah You can't identify them, too far but you erm... [08:44] DaemonFC mjg59_, You might be talking about me, or you could point to a room of people and collectively say "You know what I'm getting at here, right?". [08:44] DaemonFC But "they" is plural. [08:44] Helenah You wanna talk about them to your friend who is stood next to you [08:44] Helenah Would you apply He, She, Their or Them? [08:44] DaemonFC The recent hijacking of "they" is just a liberal corruption of English. [08:44] DaemonFC And it's very recent. [08:44] Helenah er... 3 terms, not 4. [08:45] DaemonFC "They" think "they" can gaslight us into thinking it can be used in the singular without a conformance problem with the way that English has traditionally been spoken. [08:45] mjg59_ DaemonFC: "you" was traditionally exclusively plural [08:45] DaemonFC And if you let "them" do that, then "they" will be right. [08:45] DaemonFC But I won't. [08:46] Helenah DaemonFC: Sorry what? [08:46] DaemonFC It's Orwellian. [08:46] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Hence "thee" [08:46] mjg59_ DaemonFC: And yet, here we are, because languages change [08:46] DaemonFC The goal here is to burn everything so that people won't remember, and then start anew. [08:46] DaemonFC Where they'll have an easier time with their moral corruptions and depravities. [08:47] mjg59_ DaemonFC: And "they" being used in the singular form has centuries of usage [08:47] DaemonFC I'm not pissed off of transgender people. [08:47] DaemonFC I'm pissed off about the attempt to change the language. [08:47] mjg59_ DaemonFC: But rather than actually discuss that, you'll just continue making assertions that have no relation to what people are saying to you [08:47] DaemonFC Changes are almost never for the best. [08:48] DaemonFC They're almost always political in nature, or some sort of dumbing down. [08:48] mjg59_ n [08:48] DaemonFC You can't have people thinking too much! [08:49] DaemonFC I'm not going to change my use of language just because some idiot thinks it would be swell if they can shoehorn a new pronoun for an indeterminate gender into it. [08:49] Helenah "Political in nature" doesn't equate to good or bad, it depends on what exactly it is that's political in nature. [08:49] Helenah As for people having the freedom to be themselves (trans women being women for example), that is political yes but it's a step forward and is good. [08:49] Helenah It supports quality. [08:50] DaemonFC Yes, that was a joke btw. [08:50] Helenah Ah, my SCD gets the better of me at times. [08:50] DaemonFC Microsoft actually was one of the first to make things really clunky. [08:51] Helenah So let me get this straight. [08:51] DaemonFC Instead of assuming someone would be male, they said "when the user" does something with "her" computer. [08:51] DaemonFC So it's not at all wrong to assume that a person will be female for some reason. [08:51] Helenah You don't hate trans people but at the same time you see that... a trans women for example is actually a man while a trans man is actually a woman because nature dictates that depending on karyotype? [08:51] mjg59_ Helenah: It's really not worth it, I'm afraid [08:52] DaemonFC They could have avoided stepping in it entirely by just leaving it at "when the user". [08:52] mjg59_ Helenah: Any time he's challenged on anything he just starts changing the subject rather than engaging [08:52] Helenah mjg59_: Ah sure. [08:52] DaemonFC Most people see "gender pronouns" listed in an email and just do what I do. [08:53] mjg59_ It's mildly entertaining to just keep demonstrating his unwillingness to engage, but it doesn't actually change anything [08:53] Helenah If that's how you see it then I'm both a man and a woman in your eyes. [08:53] DaemonFC Roll my eyes and reply to them if I absolutely must. [08:53] Helenah Anyway... [08:53] Helenah I er.. gonna go do house chores in a bit... [08:53] DaemonFC You should be able to make an educated guess by name. [08:54] DaemonFC If their parents weren't a couple of goddamned hippies smoking a crack pipe, they probably named them something that's a dead giveaway as to their gender. [08:54] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [08:54] Helenah WOOO HE LEFT! :D [08:54] Helenah mjg59_: I got to know him now. :) [08:56] mjg59_ He'll be back [08:59] Helenah mjg59_: Yeah, I was finding it entertaining and getting an adrenaline trip. [08:59] Helenah lol [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 6.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 115.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 109.43 [08:59] Helenah Anyway, that aside, I met some really nice people here! :D ● Aug 24 [09:02] mjg59_ Helenah: I disagree with pretty much everyone here, but a lot of them have well thought through opinions and I learn from them [09:02] mjg59_ Not Ryan, though [09:04] Helenah Ah [09:04] Helenah Everyone is disagreeable to some extent or another, mjg59_. [09:04] mjg59_ Haha hang around here and you'll find out just how much people disagree with me [09:05] Helenah :D [09:07] Helenah mjg59_: I forgot how all this started but I think it happened when I spoke of some medical stuff, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/45,X/46,XY_mosaicism [09:07] TR Bot 45,X/46,XY mosaicism - Wikipedia [09:07] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [09:07] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [09:10] mjg59_ Helenah: I've got a PhD in genetics, so actually got taught about this (that was a long time ago now, though) [09:11] Helenah mjg59_: I'm a case. [09:11] Helenah And nice :) [09:12] Helenah There is a lot wrong with me, but that's one of them. 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[10:09] TR News Sriram Ramkrishna: GUADEC 2022 GUADALAJARA https://blogs.gnome.org/sri/2022/08/24/guadec-2022-guadalajara/ [10:10] TR Bot GUADEC 2022 GUADALAJARA Sri Ramkrishna [10:11] TR News "Wed like to thank Trigkey for sending the Speed S3 Ryzen 5 3350H mini PC for review." Once again, fake 'reviews' of 'gifts'.... and THOSE DEVICES ARE NOT LINUX BUT WINDOWS!!! https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/08/24/trigkey-speed-s3-mini-pc-review-part-1-unboxing-and-teardown/ [10:11] TR Bot Trigkey Speed S3 mini PC review - Part 1: Unboxing and teardown - CNX Software [10:12] *matteobin (~matteobin@tecziqbycf9k2.irc) has joined #techrights [10:12] techuser hi [10:12] matteobin Hello there! 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Also, it's essential to lower living expenses. [10:27] TR Bot Over 3 in 10 people wish to delete their Internet footprint amid privacy thefts, CIO News, ET CIO [10:34] TR News Links 24/08/2022: Kubernetes 1.25, Firefox 105 Beta, and Techdirt Turns 25 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/techdirt-turns-25/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/techdirt-turns-25/ [10:34] TR Bot Links 24/08/2022: Kubernetes 1.25, Firefox 105 Beta, and Techdirt Turns 25 | Techrights [10:35] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Programming_Leftovers.gmi [10:35] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers" [10:35] TR News (UPDATED): $29 Inovato Quadra Arm mini PC runs Armbian on Allwinner H6 processor (UPDATED) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/_29_Inovato_Quadra_Arm_mini_PC_runs_Armbian_on_Allwinner_H6_pro.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/_29_Inovato_Quadra_Arm_mini_PC_runs_Armbian_on_Allwinner_H6_pro.gmi [10:35] TR Bot Tux Machines $29 Inovato Quadra Arm mini PC runs Armbian on Allwinner H6 processor (UPDATED) [10:35] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.gmi [10:35] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [10:36] Helenah matteobin: Welcome! :) [10:36] matteobin Hello! Nice to meet you. [10:36] schestowitz[TR] many new faces [10:37] Helenah You too! :D I gotta get on with chores :3 [10:37] schestowitz[TR] good luck [10:37] schestowitz[TR] when MinceR uses :3 it means cat [10:37] matteobin Chores? I'm not a native English speaker. [10:38] schestowitz[TR] house duties/work [10:38] schestowitz[TR] toil [10:38] matteobin Ah, good luck! :D [10:38] schestowitz[TR] our fridge is getting empty, so I too have chores [10:38] schestowitz[TR] wife's bday today [10:39] *darwin has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:39] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [10:39] TR News Get Into Jail Card https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/get-into-jail-card/ | Source: The Nation [10:39] TR Bot Get Into Jail Card | The Nation [10:40] TR News Rural Hospital https://www.thenation.com/article/society/rmch-gallup-rural-hospital/ | Source: The Nation [10:40] TR Bot How to Kill a Rural Hospital | The Nation [10:41] TR News "Theres talk of Bidens age, but not of Trumps. So hows The Donalds youthfulness conveyed? When he begins to bully or he whines, He sounds as if hes still in second grade" https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/youthfulness/ Biden, Sanders, HRC. Trump... all very old [10:41] TR Bot Youthfulness | The Nation [10:42] MinceR 24 110820 < schestowitz[TR]> wtf? [10:42] MinceR just the usual middle asian stuff [10:42] schestowitz[TR] :3 ? [10:43] schestowitz[TR] aah, I get it [10:43] schestowitz[TR] orban and the fireworks [10:43] schestowitz[TR] telex had 3 articles about it yesterday [10:43] schestowitz[TR] next: execute people for witchcraft [10:44] schestowitz[TR] for not wishing well upon the nation [10:45] MinceR they're also rebuilding "socialism" [10:45] MinceR we have 3 mobile operators [10:45] MinceR one of them is a collaborant [10:45] TR News "Salman Tepsurkaev, the moderator of a Telegram channel that monitors human rights abuses in Chechnya, was murdered by local security forces almost two years ago." https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/24/human-rights-activists-confirm-murder-by-chechen-security-forces-of-telegram-channel-moderator-abducted-in-september-2020 | Source: Meduza [10:45] TR Bot NO TITLE [10:45] MinceR the second is 25% owned by the state [10:45] MinceR and they're trying to buy 100% of the third [10:46] schestowitz[TR] telecom owned and run by the state would be similar to communism [10:46] schestowitz[TR] transport might be ok [10:47] schestowitz[TR] if that keeps prices down [10:47] TR News "The Putin administration is bracing itself for an anticipated rise in popular discontent in Russia, as prices continue to go up and factories shut down, informed sources told Meduza." https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/08/23/people-won-t-like-what-s-happening-at-home | Source: Meduza [10:47] TR Bot NO TITLE [10:48] TR News "A group of people, poorly compensated, are arranged in a call center environment as contract workers for a platform youve definitely heard of" https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/hanna-bervoets-remove-this-post/ | Source: The Nation [10:48] TR Bot What's Life Like for the Content Moderator? | The Nation [10:48] TR News Censorship: "Krasnodar magazine Sobaka.ru has pulled its cover story and interview with Manizha, the singer and former Eurovision contestant, over her anti-war statements" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/08/23/magazine-pulls-cover-story-with-eurovision-star-manizha-after-singer-s-anti-war-statements-land-her-on-banned-artists-list | Source: Meduza [10:48] TR Bot NO TITLE [10:49] matteobin In Italy telecom are not run by the state anymore. However is it better to have companies that do not care about people and infrastructure? I think a state should own a bit of the telecom infrastructure, not all but a bit, at least for strategic purposes. [10:49] schestowitz[TR] herew it owns some of the infra [10:49] schestowitz[TR] but not the operator [10:50] schestowitz[TR] it used to be a BT monopoly [10:50] schestowitz[TR] when BT was like forefront of the new "tech" [10:50] schestowitz[TR] not it's openreach [10:50] schestowitz[TR] same for water pipes and electric/gas pipes/grid [10:50] schestowitz[TR] shared infra makes it more efficient [10:50] schestowitz[TR] but the companies you deal with are competing [10:51] MinceR 24 114651 < schestowitz[TR]> transport might be ok [10:52] MinceR hungarian public transport is practically unusable [10:52] MinceR the state is trying to strangle budapest to punish its inhabitants for voting for the democrats [10:52] MinceR so BKK/BKV has no money to maintain or develop their service [10:53] MinceR it was already abysmal before 2010 though [10:53] MinceR MAV has no excuse [10:54] MinceR then again, pretty much everything is fucked up in hungary [10:55] TR News Streaming Tops Traditional Cable TV Viewership For First Time Ever https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/streaming-tops-traditional-cable-tv-viewership-for-first-time-ever/ | Source: Techdirt [10:55] TR Bot Tops Traditional Cable TV Viewership For First Time Ever | Techdirt [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 121.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 102.63 [10:59] TR News Extremists and business supremacists https://truthout.org/articles/mysterious-right-wing-donor-drops-1-6-billion-gift-on-federalist-society-boss/ | Source: TruthOut [10:59] TR Bot Mysterious Right-Wing Donor Drops $1.6 Billion Gift on Federalist Society Boss ● Aug 24 [11:02] TR News Profits https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/disaster-capitalism-its-worst-profits-grain-giants-spark-global-criticism | Source: Common Dreams [11:02] TR Bot 'Disaster Capitalism at Its Worst': Profits of Grain Giants Spark Global Criticism [11:04] matteobin My dream would be if the state used a free or open decentralised infrustructre. For instance in Italy we could have at least one XMPP server per region. That would be rad! [11:05] matteobin The same could be said for email, VoIP and IRC. [11:06] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@5p26b77xeftxg.irc) has joined #techrights [11:07] Helenah Hi again matteobin :3 [11:07] DaemonFC Pause between naps. Anywho, I think mjg59_ underscores my point for me pretty well. [11:07] Helenah Yes, chores are duties around the house. :3 [11:07] Helenah and er... other responsibilities like erm... [11:07] Helenah getting in the shopping, etc. :D [11:07] DaemonFC Taking in people who have no respect for human rights and your Constitution and letting them buy citizenship is a bad idea. [11:08] DaemonFC You get a lot of those people, it doesn't help whatever's been going on in your country already. [11:08] TR News "The recent wave of Starbucks workers seeking to join a union shares many characteristics of a mass movement." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/23/inside-countrywide-campaign-unionize-every-starbucks-america | Source: Common Dreams [11:08] TR Bot Opinion | Inside the Countrywide Campaign to Unionize Every Starbucks in America | Saurav Sarkar [11:08] Helenah What about cat rights? o.O [11:08] matteobin In this case you would have an open standard that individuals could operate by their own, if the state becomes evil, and you would incentivise companies to use good comunication protocols. [11:08] Helenah I want to be able to take my cat with me everywhere :3 <3 [11:08] DaemonFC Cats would actually have a lot of rights if a landmark bill in the Illinois legislature right now passes. [11:09] Helenah I can't reproduce and he's like offspring to me. <3 [11:09] techuser if cats had rights, owning them would have been illegal [11:09] techuser because owning is slavery [11:09] Helenah techuser: I take good care of him and he follows me everywhere at his own choice. :3 <3 [11:10] matteobin I like cats, but I'm more of a dogs person. All animals should have more rights. We should respect nature way more. [11:10] Helenah He has a flap so he can let himself in and out. <3 [11:10] Helenah He came to the shop with me <3 [11:10] Helenah and then to the pharmacy with me <3 [11:10] DaemonFC The bill actually changes animal cruelty law to say you've committed a crime if your pet cat becomes sick and you don't do anything to help it or euthanize it if it's in pain and terminally ill. [11:10] Helenah And then back home with me <3 [11:10] Helenah And I talk to him like he's a human baby <3 [11:10] Helenah Awwww [11:11] DaemonFC No, cats aren't human and they should not have "human rights". PETA is ridiculous. Their founder is a real weirdo. [11:11] matteobin Sorry if I write like a mix between a chocolate poem and a discount asian wiseman. [11:12] DaemonFC But animals are also not ours to abuse. [11:12] Helenah matteobin: It doesn't bother me, I've been around non-natives for a LONG time. :3 [11:12] DaemonFC If people don't take cats as a pet, the cats will have it a lot worse. [11:12] DaemonFC Just having to live outside cuts the cat's life expectancy down to 3-4 years. [11:13] Helenah They might not be able to survive due to being bred down by humans stuck in places all around the world. [11:13] DaemonFC It has to deal with disease, cars, predators, not having enough food. [11:13] DaemonFC It may drink out of a dirty mud puddle. [11:13] DaemonFC I mean, my cats have it a lot better than that. [11:14] Helenah DaemonFC: Cats drink out of that anyway [11:14] matteobin You're right, but so what? Animal rights should serve to prevent abuse from humans not animals. [11:14] Helenah They're food and drink regulators [11:14] DaemonFC They might not be able to survive due to being bred down by humans stuck in places all around the world. [11:14] DaemonFC My cats are sterilized. [11:14] Helenah They won't eat and drink all in one go, if the cat can't get in and access to its bowl, it will drink from other sources. [11:14] DaemonFC They are indoor cats. [11:14] Helenah Oh [11:15] DaemonFC Nature says cats have as many litters of kittens as possible so that at least a few survive. [11:15] Helenah Mine is both [11:15] DaemonFC That's pretty bad. [11:15] Helenah I had to deal with that myself... [11:15] Helenah when I lived in the city... [11:15] Helenah a cat came to me [11:15] Helenah with a litter of kittens [11:15] DaemonFC Nature kills more than 9 out of 10 of the kittens and their survival is based on producing a lot of kittens. [11:15] Helenah then another litter of kittens [11:15] Helenah so I had 9 cats... [11:15] DaemonFC It's depressing. [11:15] Helenah all blood related [11:15] Helenah LOL [11:16] Helenah It was raining, it took her HOURS and HOURS to carry them back one by one [11:16] Helenah I'd stand at front door waiting for her [11:16] Helenah By her last one [11:16] Helenah I didn't wanna intervene but I did [11:16] Helenah because the mother collapsed due to exhaustion [11:16] DaemonFC Nature sucks, doesn't it? [11:16] Helenah plus she was piss wet through due to the rain [11:16] Helenah Well she wasn't have done normally [11:16] Helenah They were heavy on her head [11:17] DaemonFC That's Ingrid Newkirk's opinion of what should happen to your cat. [11:17] Helenah DaemonFC: What is? [11:17] DaemonFC A short sad life of losing most of its kittens and then getting run over by a car. [11:17] DaemonFC So you won't have it as a pet cat. [11:17] matteobin I wouldn't say that Nature sucks. It's cruel in a fair way. [11:17] Helenah What? [11:17] Helenah matteobin: Agreed [11:17] DaemonFC I really despise Ingrid Newkirk. [11:18] Helenah Yeah but... [11:18] Helenah I was talking [11:18] Helenah you said "That's such and such opinion of what to do with your cats" [11:18] Helenah and then went on about em being ran over and shit... [11:18] Helenah Are you mad dude? [11:18] Helenah I'm not a fuckin' animal abuser... [11:18] Helenah WTF is wrong with you man? [11:18] Helenah Jesus [11:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [11:21] matteobin Helenah, techuser told me you are into GNU/Linux. What distro do you use? [11:21] Helenah matteobin: Arch and Devuan :3 [11:21] DaemonFC Ingrid Newkirk's will says she wants to be cut up and turned into "nuggets". [11:21] DaemonFC Sounds pretty crazy to me. [11:22] Helenah Who will eat her? o.o [11:22] TR News (NEW): Kasts convergent podcast software https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kasts_convergent_podcast_software.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Kasts_convergent_podcast_software.gmi [11:22] TR Bot Tux Machines Kasts convergent podcast software" [11:22] DaemonFC Soylent Newkirk [11:22] Helenah Or is it for her cats [11:22] Helenah for when she's dead? [11:22] DaemonFC Very big in California. [11:22] TR News (NEW): DeskPi Super6C mini-ITX board takes up to 6x Raspberry Pi CM4 modules https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/DeskPi_Super6C_mini_ITX_board_takes_up_to_6x_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_m.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/DeskPi_Super6C_mini_ITX_board_takes_up_to_6x_Raspberry_Pi_CM4_m.gmi [11:22] TR Bot Tux Machines DeskPi Super6C mini-ITX board takes up to 6x Raspberry Pi CM4 modules [11:24] techuser matteobin: btw Luis64_gamer from IKTeam (I may try to bring him here) said he did use GNU/Linux at some point already, and these days he is doing things with WSL [11:24] TR News Kansas https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/the-first-ever-kansas-city-keyboard-meetup-is-this-weekend/ | Source: Hackaday [11:24] TR Bot First-Ever Kansas City Keyboard Meetup Is This Weekend | Hackaday [11:25] TR News ICBM https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/ibms-early-pc-attracts-time-travelers/ | Source: Hackaday [11:25] TR Bot Early PC Attracts Time Travelers | Hackaday [11:25] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.gmi [11:25] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [11:25] Helenah Thing is, it isn't a Windows Subsystem for Linux, it's a Linux Subsystem for Windows... [11:26] Helenah But... [11:26] Helenah Microsoft for you, they like software to be called Windows Foo or Microsoft Foo but then go way to far... [11:26] schestowitz[TR] yeah [11:26] schestowitz[TR] it didn't have Linux [11:26] schestowitz[TR] until WSL2 [11:26] schestowitz[TR] or LSW2 [11:27] schestowitz[TR] it was GNU SL [11:27] Helenah They stupid named it stupidly though. [11:27] schestowitz[TR] or WSG [11:27] Helenah Just for the sake of marketing [11:27] schestowitz[TR] WQindows subsystem for GNU [11:27] Helenah they named a subsystem wrongly [11:27] matteobin I use Debian and I want to try NetBSD. I don't like WSL. I try to minimiza my Windows usage. [11:27] schestowitz[TR] like cygwin [11:27] matteobin What do you use Arch and what Devuan for? [11:27] schestowitz[TR] Windows uses you [11:27] schestowitz[TR] the operator is Microsoft [11:27] schestowitz[TR] and the user [11:27] schestowitz[TR] the person in front of the PC just pays for the PC [11:27] schestowitz[TR] and that's it [11:28] Helenah Yeah the operator isn't just the user but also microsnot like you said [11:28] Helenah nannying you [11:28] Helenah "Windows went wrong, lets troubleshoot" [11:29] Helenah but not like go into technical details about the problem [11:29] DaemonFC Then there's Matthew J. GULAG's recent development. [11:29] Helenah Assume you are a baby who needs their hand holding, diaper changing and a babies bottle... [11:29] Helenah and never give you the technical details that would allow a nerd to fix the problem in 2 seconds... [11:29] DaemonFC Like Captain Renault. [11:30] DaemonFC "I'm shocked, shocked to find gambling going on in here!" [11:31] DaemonFC https://noagenda.fandom.com/wiki/I%27m_shocked,_shocked_to_find_that_gambling_is_going_on_in_here! [11:31] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://noagenda.fandom.com/wiki/I%27m_shocked,_shocked_to_find_that_gambling_is_going_on_in_here ) [11:31] DaemonFC mjg59_ in a nutshell [11:32] Helenah DaemonFC: Why do you keep mentioning mjg59_ like that? [11:33] Helenah Also the quoting of text which is in the URLs you post is annoying, it's excessive quoting. [11:33] Helenah It like... seriously I'm being a piece of shit when I say this, it really does push conversation into the scrollback. [11:33] Helenah *I'm not being [11:35] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR] complaining about Windows controlling the user. [11:35] DaemonFC It can't prevent you from leaving, except with things like "Secure Boot". [11:35] Helenah brb doing chores [11:36] DaemonFC So they get someone to pretend to be an "open source developer" to legitimize their takeover of your computer. [11:36] techuser matteobin: I know one BSD user here (nickname matey), but he disappeared [11:37] techuser and idk if he is going to be back anytime soon [11:37] DaemonFC I'm considering trying out GhostBSD. [11:37] DaemonFC It seems that finally someone cares what kind of fresh Hell installing a BSD operating system is. [11:38] matteobin I don't have time to try NetBSD now, but when I finish my mail server, I will. [11:40] matteobin *BSDs seem the only thing my 2005 PowerPC Mac mini can run. [11:40] TR News ">Workers Are Organizing Independently" https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/workers-are-organizing-independently-why-dont-our-politicians-seem-to-care/ | Source: The Nation [11:40] TR Bot Workers Are Organizing Independently. Why Dont Our Politicians Seem to Care? | The Nation [11:40] TR News "Cancel It All" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/cancel-it-all-say-progressives-biden-favors-10000-means-tested-student-debt-relief | Source: Common Dreams [11:40] TR Bot 'Cancel It All,' Say Progressives as Biden Favors $10,000 in Means-Tested Student Debt Relief [11:43] DaemonFC "Progressives" whine that people with $600,000 incomes don't get their loans canceled out. [11:43] DaemonFC Figures. [11:46] Helenah Why the fuck does every food item need to come in packaging?! [11:46] Helenah I can't get rid of my trash now... :/ [11:46] Helenah My cardboard bin is full [11:46] Helenah My domestic waste bin is full [11:46] Helenah my glass, plastic and metal bin is full.. [11:46] Helenah DAMN [11:46] DaemonFC "Americans are wasteful" says the person who has unnecessary packaging for the food. [11:47] DaemonFC Damn you! Your sandwich and apple slices are causing CLIMATE CHANGE! [11:47] TR News Education https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/08/23/four-decades-attacking-teachers-destroying-public-education | Source: Common Dreams [11:47] TR Bot Opinion | Four Decades of Attacking Teachers Is Destroying Public Education | Jack Schneider [11:47] Helenah DaemonFC: What? [11:47] DaemonFC Even worse, you might fart later and that will too. It's worse than Uncle Bill's private jets. [11:47] Helenah Farts are natural... [11:48] DaemonFC Methane is a greenhouse gas! [11:48] DaemonFC Oh no! [11:48] Helenah You can't possibly say my body in itself damages the environment... [11:48] TR News "This strike is about our students." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/teachers-strike-columbus-about-students-says-union-not-wages | Source: Common Dreams [11:48] TR Bot Teachers' Strike in Columbus About Students, Says Union, Not Wages [11:48] Helenah lol [11:48] DaemonFC Yes it does. [11:48] MinceR "It is natural to die." [11:48] Helenah That would be absurd considering I'm part of the ecosystem... [11:49] DaemonFC https://sites.psu.edu/siowfa15/2015/11/27/farts-and-burps-contribution-to-global-warming/ [11:49] TR Bot Farts and Burps Contribution to Global Warming | SiOWfa15: Science in Our World: Certainty and Controversy [11:49] Helenah Yeah "contribute" [11:49] Helenah that doesn't mean it's the cause... [11:49] DaemonFC Oh they really have you. [11:49] schestowitz[TR] corrupted media [11:49] Helenah Of course it is gonna be an "addon" to the damage humanity does. [11:49] Helenah DaemonFC: I think you really are stupid... [11:50] Helenah Did you know Biomethane is friendlier than non-biomethane? [11:50] Helenah For one non-biomethane is locked in the ground [11:50] Helenah not supposed to be released [11:50] Helenah so when it gets released, that's humanity unbalancing the damn system... [11:50] Helenah And you blame farts are the issue?! [11:50] Helenah Food contains methane [11:50] MinceR i didn't know there was a moiety called "bio-" [11:50] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [11:51] TR News "Change on industrial scales is slow, but if youre operating your own small farm or simply working in a home garden there are some excellent ways to use water more effectively." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/2022-hackaday-prize-plant-monitoring-system-grows-to-include-lora/ | Source: Hackaday [11:51] TR Bot Hackaday Prize: Plant Monitoring System Grows To Include LoRa | Hackaday [11:51] Helenah It decays, methane is released as it is broken down [11:51] matteobin This chat is very strange. [11:51] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [11:51] Helenah it gets released into the environment [11:51] TR News "Moving air with spinning blades is the most popular way, but it is not the only way." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/flapping-pcb-fan-blows-a-little-bit/ | Source: Hackaday [11:51] TR Bot PCB Fan Blows A Little Bit | Hackaday [11:51] Helenah But you'd be an idiot go around and say "Apples and oranges are destroying the planet due to the methane they release" [11:52] schestowitz[TR] matteobin: sometimes it's about tech ^_^ [11:52] Helenah Yeah, sometimes it's about tech... [11:52] DaemonFC My friend said that raising cattle was bad for the planet, with cow flatulence in the ozone and the clearing of land for the raising of cattle. He asked me what I was doing to help the environment. I said, I'm eating the cows. ~Ron White [11:52] Helenah but numb nuts over there won't allow that... [11:52] Helenah DaemonFC: Yes [11:52] Helenah but... [11:52] Helenah wild cows are [11:52] Helenah not unbalancing anything [11:52] Helenah It's the "excess of cows" caused by farming... [11:53] Helenah You can't blame the cow itself... [11:53] DaemonFC Yes, we know that. [11:53] MinceR it's the excess of humans that causes most of that farming [11:53] Helenah but you can blame the human who raised the cow... [11:53] DaemonFC It was a joke. He's a comedian. [11:53] matteobin I agree on that. [11:53] matteobin Oh sorry. I'm confused. [11:53] DaemonFC Cows are delicious. [11:53] matteobin I'll go to lunch. Have a good meal, everyone! [11:53] TR News Means-Test Student Debt Relief https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/08/23/anger-mounts-over-bidens-reported-plan-means-test-student-debt-relief | Source: Common Dreams [11:53] TR Bot Anger Mounts Over Biden's Reported Plan to Means-Test Student Debt Relief [11:53] MinceR there could be a couple million humans living sustainably and comfortably on this planet, or we can try and cover it in bodies, and insist that everyone live like an ascetic because it's unsustainable [11:54] DaemonFC Until Creepy Uncle Bill's Lab Garbage Burgers are better, people will eat burgers. [11:54] MinceR and the latter still won't work [11:54] MinceR but it's very popular. [11:54] Helenah MinceR: I designed a biodigester, just need to put in place. [11:54] Helenah that and a gasometer [11:54] *matteobin has quit (Quit: leaving) [11:55] DaemonFC Walmart doesn't sell Beyond Beef anymore. [11:55] DaemonFC Good. [11:55] DaemonFC The stuff is fucking crap that lies about being beef. [11:55] TR News "The fastest ground vehicles on earth are not driven by their wheels but by an aircraft jet engine." https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/high-speed-rc-car-needs-a-flight-controller/ | Source: Hackaday [11:55] TR Bot RC Car Needs A Flight Controller | Hackaday [11:55] DaemonFC Or even beef-like. [11:55] TR News "With the never ending march of technological progress, arguably the most complex technologies become so close to magic as to be impenetrable to those outside the industry in which they operate" https://hackaday.com/2022/08/23/integrated-circuit-manufacturing-at-bell-labs-in-1983/ | Source: Hackaday [11:55] DaemonFC McDonalds gave up and canceled the "McPlant". [11:55] TR Bot Circuit Manufacturing At Bell Labs In 1983 | Hackaday [11:56] DaemonFC Did you see that, schestowitz[TR]? [11:56] DaemonFC Beyond Beef's stock sank on the news. [11:56] DaemonFC Creepy Uncle was trying to get it into McDonalds. [11:57] schestowitz[TR] they ain't got beed with him [11:57] schestowitz[TR] gates invests in walmart [11:57] schestowitz[TR] coca cola [11:57] schestowitz[TR] and who knows what else? [11:57] schestowitz[TR] I've not keps abreast for over a decade [11:57] schestowitz[TR] he buys the chains [11:57] schestowitz[TR] and then puishes into them his PATENTED crap [11:57] schestowitz[TR] that costs a lot ● Aug 24 [12:02] TR News Red Hat expands support for Java with Eclipse Temurin | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/24/red-hat-expands-support-java-eclipse-temurin Source: XDA | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/08/24/red-hat-expands-support-java-eclipse-temurin [12:02] TR Bot Red Hat expands support for Java with Eclipse Temurin | Red Hat Developer [12:03] TR News IT talent: the thing Red Hat (ICBM) is getting rid off by firing them all... for low-cost slaves https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/8/it-talent-interview-questions [12:03] TR Bot IT talent: 4 interview questions to prep for | The Enterprisers Project [12:04] TR News Where to start with linux authentication? " Firstyears blog-a-log https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2022/08/24/where_to_start_with_linux_authentication.html Source: WFYI Radio | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2022/08/24/where_to_start_with_linux_authentication.html [12:04] TR Bot reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2022/08/24/where_to_start_with_linux_authentication.html ) [12:05] Helenah Nobody is 100% bad, you know? [12:06] Helenah Even if they're the most hated person the planet... [12:06] Helenah Gates has probably done a mixture of good and bad things. [12:06] Helenah I just don't like how Microsnot is... [12:07] Helenah And I don't like some of Gates ways either [12:07] Helenah I don't even necessarily like what he chooses to fund [12:08] TR News Kingdom of Barbaria https://www.reuters.com/article/saudi-city-surveillance-idAFL8N2ZL0CM [12:08] TR Bot 'surveillance city': Would you sell your data to The Line? | Reuters [12:09] Helenah But I'm sure he's got his good and his bad about him, we all have... [12:09] Helenah rich, poor, etc, we all have good and bad in us. :) [12:09] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: people are judged on net effect [12:09] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [12:09] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I prefer to look at a person in full and get a full picture. [12:10] Helenah You could say something bad... [12:10] Helenah but if I was to then say [12:10] Helenah you're an absolute evil piece of shit [12:10] schestowitz[TR] igf you don't mind me saying: [12:10] Helenah then I am degrading you [12:10] schestowitz[TR] saying gates did some good things is a big stockholm-y [12:10] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [12:10] Helenah and er... like... what about the good thing? [12:10] Helenah s [12:10] schestowitz[TR] we should not forgive everyone [12:10] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Wait, what? [12:10] DaemonFC https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Series/House [12:10] TR Bot House (Series) - TV Tropes [12:10] Helenah I don't support the guy... [12:10] schestowitz[TR] some people did a lot of bad [12:11] schestowitz[TR] and belong in prison for life [12:11] DaemonFC "Asexuality doesn't exist in healthy people." [12:11] DaemonFC In general, no, it doesn't. [12:11] DaemonFC It's what happens when the doctor starts playing around with your antidepressants. [12:11] Helenah DaemonFC: So I must be very sick then [12:11] Helenah because I'm Demisexual which is like.. [12:11] Helenah partially asexual [12:11] Helenah and partially sexual [12:11] TR News (NEW): Rocky Linux 9.0 Quick overview https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Rocky_Linux_9_0_Quick_overview.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Rocky_Linux_9_0_Quick_overview.gmi [12:11] techuser I want to become asexual [12:11] TR Bot Tux Machines Rocky Linux 9.0 Quick overview [12:12] psydruid Gates is pure evil [12:12] Helenah techuser: GnRH agonist [12:12] Helenah will reduce your sexual urges to nil [12:12] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: http://techrights.org/wiki/Gates_Foundation_Critique [12:12] Helenah but erm... [12:12] TR Bot Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [12:12] schestowitz[TR] all his investments are bad [12:12] Helenah Please take that under the guidance of a doctor, okay? [12:12] schestowitz[TR] inc. the media bribes [12:12] Helenah Cause playing with that is like... well... [12:12] Helenah lol [12:12] schestowitz[TR] that compel "publishers" to tell people he does "good" [12:12] Helenah Ah [12:13] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: I never mentioned anything he did though in particular... [12:13] Helenah I was generally saying that... [12:13] schestowitz[TR] I studied it for many years [12:13] schestowitz[TR] he belongs in prison [12:13] Helenah everyone has both good and bad in them... [12:13] schestowitz[TR] he was arrested twice [12:13] Helenah Yeah but even prison inmates have some good in them... [12:13] schestowitz[TR] he also tried to free epstein from prison [12:13] schestowitz[TR] after he had flew child explottaion planes with him [12:13] Helenah Gary Glitter is a pedophile but I still like his music... [12:13] schestowitz[TR] *flown [12:14] Helenah Even if I don't like what he did to minors. [12:14] schestowitz[TR] not all prison inmates are equal [12:14] schestowitz[TR] some are there for mass murder [12:14] Helenah Yep [12:14] schestowitz[TR] some are not [12:14] schestowitz[TR] some for life [12:14] schestowitz[TR] some for months [12:14] Helenah but even a mass murderer has something "good" about them [12:14] Helenah even if the murder itself is bad... [12:14] Helenah I don't see how someone can be 100% bad throughout... [12:15] Helenah I've never met anyone who is 100% bad throughout, even the 3 men who raped me... [12:15] schestowitz[TR] the "banaility of evil" [12:15] schestowitz[TR] when "decent" man convince themselves that massive harm is justifiable [12:15] schestowitz[TR] see Brehvik [12:15] Helenah hmm [12:15] DaemonFC Hitler was the Chancellor of Germany. He loved to paint, was a vegan, and took very good care of his dogs. For more, see Criticism of Hitler. [12:15] DaemonFC (Wikipedia) [12:15] Helenah Yeh, there are things that are good about hitler [12:16] Helenah Things I like about him [12:16] Helenah but I do not like nazism [12:16] Helenah And therefore I do not like the nazism in him [12:16] Helenah I don't like what he did to people... [12:16] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I use the "Hitler was the Chancellor." bit every time someone references Wikipedia. [12:16] Helenah But he has good things about him too [12:16] DaemonFC Specifically, an article that's been pruned by government censors or PR firms. [12:16] Helenah And I see both good and bad in all people [12:16] Helenah Including DaemonFC [12:17] Helenah even though I've been up their arse for hours... [12:17] TR News Bittersweet moment: 5 years to the landmark Privacy judgement, but no data protection law yet! #SaveOurPrivacy

Read on [12:17] TR Bot Bittersweet moment: 5 years to the landmark Privacy judgement, but no data protection law yet! #SaveOurPrivacy [12:17] TR News Bittersweet moment: 5 years to the landmark Privacy judgement, but no data protection law yet! #SaveOurPrivacy https://internetfreedom.in/5-years-to-the-landmark-privacy-judgement/ Source: Internet Freedom Foundation | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//internetfreedom.in/5-years-to-the-landmark-privacy-judgement/ [12:18] TR News Open source for beginners: setting up your dev environment with LXD | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-for-beginners-dev-environment-with-lxd Source: Ubuntubuzz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-for-beginners-dev-environment-with-lxd [12:18] TR Bot source for beginners: setting up your dev environment with LXD | Ubuntu [12:18] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: he pisses off a lot of people [12:18] DaemonFC My dad is one of those Nostradamus freaks. [12:18] schestowitz[TR] male, female, the rest [12:18] schestowitz[TR] he doesn't have a sense for people's feelings [12:18] DaemonFC You know, he saw Hitler (Hister) and 9/11. [12:18] schestowitz[TR] he just fires away [12:18] DaemonFC Just not clearly enough that anyone would know. [12:18] schestowitz[TR] Nostradamus didn't see Pusin [sic] [12:19] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Wo does? DaemonFC ? [12:19] Helenah I can see that... [12:19] Helenah I haven't denied that... [12:19] Helenah I'm not naive to that [12:20] Helenah But underneath it all, I see where there is good... [12:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:20] Helenah And that's not to say the bad doesn't matter because it does... [12:20] Helenah They can improve... [12:20] schestowitz[TR] he was traumatised over the years [12:20] schestowitz[TR] he won't admit it [12:20] schestowitz[TR] I knew him online since 2008 , I think [12:20] Helenah hmm [12:21] schestowitz[TR] hopping from one disaster to the next [12:21] Helenah Yeah, that's not to say I've known him for a while, I only met him today. [12:21] Helenah It's observation. [12:21] schestowitz[TR] rejection, health, police, bankruptcy, marriage issues, financial agfain [12:21] schestowitz[TR] I don't think I was even traumatised to such an effect [12:22] schestowitz[TR] people I know who saw dead bodies or got bullied made promises to themselves, so they support mean politicians, don't trust people, look for vengeance [12:23] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Stockholm syndrome. [12:23] Helenah I had it :'( [12:23] Helenah I think I told you that... :'( [12:23] Helenah You the manc... [12:23] Helenah In Oldham... [12:24] Helenah Your name is Roy [12:24] Helenah DaemonFC's name is Ryan [12:24] Helenah :3 [12:24] TR News cemu has become Free software (yussss!), but it's outsourcing to proprietary crap (noooo!) like Reddit and Microsoft's GitHub https://cemu.info/ [12:24] TR Bot Cemu Emulator [12:25] schestowitz[TR] not in oldham [12:25] Helenah Yes, you told me some tactics they use, I appreciated it. :3 [12:25] Helenah Oh [12:25] schestowitz[TR] I'm opp. man city stadium [12:25] Helenah You mentioned a few places. [12:25] schestowitz[TR] a friend of mine moved to oldham area [12:26] schestowitz[TR] Ryan has a blog [12:26] schestowitz[TR] you can find out about his life there [12:26] schestowitz[TR] https://baronhk.wordpress.com [12:26] TR Bot BaronHK's Rants [12:27] Helenah hmm [12:27] DaemonFC It's occurred to me that I don't actually remember very much of my childhood anymore. [12:28] DaemonFC Just parts of it. [12:28] DaemonFC Places and things more than events. [12:28] Helenah My childhood was different... [12:28] Helenah to most peoples childhood [12:28] Helenah I told techuser about it [12:29] DaemonFC I don't know if it's because there's some kind of a block there or what. [12:29] Helenah Yeah you get trauma blocks [12:29] Helenah that block your traumatic experiences out [12:29] Helenah Did you have PTSD by any chance? [12:30] DaemonFC Not diagnosed. [12:31] DaemonFC It's like "Swiss Cheese memory". I can remember pieces, but like, the names and faces of classmates are gone, school teachers, gone for the most part. [12:32] DaemonFC I couldn't tell you anything about my school teachers up through about 1995 or so because I just don't remember. [12:32] DaemonFC Except this really mean art teacher named Mrs. Wimmer. [12:32] schestowitz[TR] most of my dreams are full of memories from school days [12:33] schestowitz[TR] and childhood, even disproportionate amount [12:33] DaemonFC Probably the only reason I remember her is because I remember how much I hated her and art class and how she kept giving me Fs and it was the only thing I was getting Fs in at that point. Everything else was fine. [12:34] TR News (NEW): xisxwayland 2 https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/xisxwayland_2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/xisxwayland_2.gmi [12:34] TR Bot Tux Machines xisxwayland 2" [12:34] DaemonFC Today there isn't even an art class. [12:34] TR News (NEW): PanWriter: Distraction-free writing tool https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/PanWriter_Distraction_free_writing_tool.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/PanWriter_Distraction_free_writing_tool.gmi [12:34] TR Bot Tux Machines PanWriter: Distraction-free writing tool [12:34] DaemonFC They took so much money from the schools that there's no art class anymore. [12:35] DaemonFC Being an obedient worker doesn't require art appreciation. [12:35] DaemonFC Out it goes! [12:35] DaemonFC Uncle Bill's Common Core incoming. [12:36] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], For 8 years I just stopped having dealings with anyone. [12:36] DaemonFC From about 2008 to late 2015. So like 7 years and change. [12:37] DaemonFC I started sleeping during the day and being awake at night specificulally to avoid people. [12:37] DaemonFC That was going well. I should have kept it up. [12:37] schestowitz[TR] there are other upsides [12:37] schestowitz[TR] you can use computer resources overnight [12:37] schestowitz[TR] if you are nucturna [12:38] TR News (NEW): Linux-First AI Image Upscaler Upscayl Released its First Version https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Linux_First_AI_Image_Upscaler_Upscayl_Released_its_First_Versio.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Linux_First_AI_Image_Upscaler_Upscayl_Released_its_First_Versio.gmi [12:38] TR Bot Tux Machines Linux-First AI Image Upscaler Upscayl Released its First Version [12:38] DaemonFC If it started raining and I wanted to sit on my back porch and watch it, I could just do that. [12:38] schestowitz[TR] there are also jobs that require being aware at nights [12:38] schestowitz[TR] like my job [12:38] schestowitz[TR] so you can be better off being nucturnal [12:38] schestowitz[TR] it's a scarcity [12:38] DaemonFC Nobody was there to bother me. For almost 8 years I nearly completely avoided people. [12:38] DaemonFC I even did the shopping at night. [12:38] DaemonFC WHy did I ever stop that? It was so much better than this. [12:39] DaemonFC It's best if nobody even knows you're there. [12:39] DaemonFC Nobody can even think to bother you. They don't see you anymore. Out of sight, out of mind. [12:40] DaemonFC The police don't even bother you at night. Why would they? [12:40] DaemonFC There's less of them, they're nowhere around, and it's dark outside. [12:41] schestowitz[TR] I even did the shopping at night. [12:41] schestowitz[TR] some place are open late, yes [12:41] schestowitz[TR] and no queues [12:41] schestowitz[TR] and nicer staff [12:41] schestowitz[TR] not overestressed [12:41] schestowitz[TR] so confrontational tone less likely [12:41] schestowitz[TR] also you protect their job [12:41] schestowitz[TR] by coming late [12:42] MinceR that's what she said. [12:42] DaemonFC If I have regrets, it was breaking that string. I sleep better during the day anyway. [12:42] DaemonFC I only got an hour and a half of sleep last night. [12:42] DaemonFC I'll have to go back to bed here soon. [12:42] DaemonFC I hate that Mandy won't change his schedule. [12:42] schestowitz[TR] I split the sleep into 2 or 3 [12:43] schestowitz[TR] since covid-19 lockdowns [12:43] DaemonFC I hate waking up at 4 AM just to take him to work. [12:43] schestowitz[TR] before that went to gym and stuff outdoors [12:43] schestowitz[TR] when that stopped I could reassess the sleep allocsations etc. [12:44] TR News (NEW): Daniel Stenberg: What if I vanished? https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Daniel_Stenberg_What_if_I_vanished.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Daniel_Stenberg_What_if_I_vanished.gmi [12:44] TR Bot Tux Machines Daniel Stenberg: What if I vanished? [12:44] DaemonFC "There is frequently a violation of the person's core assumptions about the world and their human rights, putting the person in a state of extreme confusion and insecurity. This is seen when institutions depended upon for survival violate, humiliate, betray, or cause major losses or separations instead of evoking aspects like positive self worth, safe boundaries and personal freedom." [12:44] DaemonFC Over and over again. [12:45] schestowitz[TR] soiurce? [12:45] TR News "The Test Center team is happy to deliver the next major release of Test Center, version 3.0, offering support for Squish Coco coverage reports. You can now browse and analyze your code coverage reports right next to your test reports stored in Test Center." https://www.qt.io/blog/test-center-3.0-available-now [12:45] TR Bot Test Center 3.0 Available Now [12:46] TR News "Whether for music, communication, or notifications, audio is an important feature of many personal computer systems. In a new FreeBSD system, an audio card will need to be configured to process audio files and send them to the connected speakers." https://www.fosslife.org/quick-and-easy-guide-setting-audio-freebsd [12:46] TR Bot A Quick and Easy Guide to Setting Up Audio on FreeBSD [12:47] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/allyourfaultson.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-allyourfaultson#comic ) [12:47] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [12:47] DaemonFC soiurce? [12:47] DaemonFC Wikipedia. [12:48] DaemonFC You know, my parents were fighting all the time. [12:48] DaemonFC As far back as I can remember. Over everything. It was just stupid. [12:48] schestowitz[TR] wikipedia has deteriorated [12:48] schestowitz[TR] because it gained value the PR agennts and gov. actors took over [12:48] DaemonFC Usually it was my mom spent some money or something and my dad was yelling at her for it and then she'd one up him by picking up something and hitting him with it. [12:49] schestowitz[TR] and use it as a PR tool now [12:49] DaemonFC Of course, you can't go to the police if you're a man. [12:49] DaemonFC She'll just turn it around on you and they'll arrest you after she finished hitting you. [12:49] DaemonFC I suppose that's why he never went to the police about anything. [12:49] TR News Wladimir Palant: Attack surface of extension pages https://palant.info/2022/08/24/attack-surface-of-extension-pages/ [12:50] TR Bot Attack surface of extension pages | Almost Secure [12:50] DaemonFC She would beat me all over the house. [12:50] DaemonFC Spit on me. What the hell am I going to do about it? Hit my mother? [12:50] TR News intel: split vulkan driver between gfx7/8 and above (!18208) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/18208 Source: Linux [12:50] TR Bot intel: split vulkan driver between gfx7/8 and above (!18208) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab [12:50] DaemonFC That's how the police take you to a facility for delinquents. [12:51] DaemonFC She's even physically attacked me several times as an adult. [12:51] schestowitz[TR] spit on you? [12:51] schestowitz[TR] that's... strange [12:51] DaemonFC Just knowing I wouldn't hit her back. [12:51] DaemonFC Yeah. [12:51] schestowitz[TR] it is not even sanitary [12:51] schestowitz[TR] sooner or later the house gets filled with her saliva [12:52] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], It's not possible to have a normal relationship with anyone around me I guess. Sooner or later they all start abusing me somehow. [12:52] schestowitz[TR] could bw orse [12:52] schestowitz[TR] you could be unemployeed nurse navigator [12:52] DaemonFC I'm just glad this one isn't hitting me and fucking everything on an app. [12:53] DaemonFC you could be unemployeed nurse navigator [12:53] DaemonFC Her LinkedIn says she's employed. [12:53] DaemonFC Part time at two places. [12:54] DaemonFC But they really did a double whammy on her at the cancer hospital. [12:54] TR News "mold is a fancy new linker that's really fast." https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17992 [12:54] DaemonFC Less important job title and reduced hours. [12:54] TR Bot ci: Use mold for x86-64 and AArch64 builds (!17992) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab [12:55] TR News fwupd in BSDs? https://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/kernel/2022-August/320332.html https://lists.dragonflybsd.org/pipermail/kernel/2022-August/320331.html [12:55] TR Bot Adding ESRT and EFI vars support for fwupd [12:55] TR Bot Adding ESRT and EFI vars support for fwupd [12:55] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], The CEO of the company had been panicking for years about their revenue. [12:56] DaemonFC Mandy said "Oh yeah, she said they were in trouble because of Obamacare.". [12:56] DaemonFC I said, "No, they're in trouble because insurance doesn't pay for woo woo and people who could afford it can't afford it anymore.". [12:57] DaemonFC Half of what Cancer Treatment Centers of America does is cancer treatment, and the other half is woo woo. [12:57] TR News Draft: radv: Switch to 100% dynamic rendering (!15587) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15587/diffs?commit_id=5197504cca7087ef7ddbc5666da4f16c9b7318be [12:57] TR Bot Draft: radv: Switch to 100% dynamic rendering (!15587) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab [12:57] DaemonFC Just strictly to run the bill sky high. [12:58] TR News "Ill discuss all the changes to the example extension one by one. But you can download the ZIP file with the complete extension source code here." https://palant.info/2022/08/24/attack-surface-of-extension-pages/ [12:58] TR Bot Attack surface of extension pages | Almost Secure [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 75.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 120.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 114.55 ● Aug 24 [13:02] TR News Those who 0.0% stake in Twitter's future will just grin at this https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/08/mudge-files-whistleblower-complaint-against-twitter.html [13:02] TR Bot Files Whistleblower Complaint against Twitter - Schneier on Security [13:02] DaemonFC https://palant.info/2022/04/19/adobe-acrobat-hollowing-out-same-origin-policy/ [13:02] TR Bot Adobe Acrobat hollowing out same-origin policy | Almost Secure [13:02] DaemonFC "To my surprise, the extension itself did almost nothing despite having a quite considerable code size." [13:02] DaemonFC Adobe [13:02] DaemonFC :) [13:04] TR News "Between 2022-08-17 and 2022-08-24 there were 24 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 256 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.4 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-08-24-edition/ [13:04] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [13:04] TR Bot New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-08-24 Edition - Boiling Steam [13:13] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [13:13] *Helenah hugs schestowitz[TR] [13:13] *Helenah gives schestowitz[TR] a hamper of chocolates [13:13] *Helenah gives techuser a hamper of chocolates [13:13] *Helenah gives MinceR a hamper of chocolates [13:13] *Helenah gives mjg59_ a hamper of chocolates [13:13] Helenah :3 [13:13] Helenah Awwww [13:14] schestowitz[TR] thanks [13:16] TR News (NEW): A New Raspberry Pi Powered Laptop - The CrowPi-L" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/A_New_Raspberry_Pi_Powered_Laptop_The_CrowPi_L.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/A_New_Raspberry_Pi_Powered_Laptop_The_CrowPi_L.gmi [13:16] TR Bot Tux Machines A New Raspberry Pi Powered Laptop - The CrowPi-L [13:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [13:21] TR News "With all of this inflation that the world has been seeing the last while, it has resulted in various central banks tightening policy in order to stamp it out." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/recession-twitch.gmi [13:22] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: :3 [13:22] Helenah You're most welcome [13:22] TR News "Something that has been of concern to me in recent years is the strange cult of the hustle that has been metastasizing on the web. Theres a fetishization of workaholism that a vocal group have been pushing." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/hustle-porn.gmi [13:22] TR News "Realms like the much talked about gig economy have also been infected by this with food delivery people, quasi taxi services, and whatever it is that Fiver does encouraging people to grind away at their task." gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/hustle-porn.gmi [13:23] TR News "Robyn has this song Call your girlfriend and its such a beautiful melody. Its easy to understand why its such a widely-covered and well-beloved song." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/call-your-girlfriend [13:25] TR News "Instead, I wouldve expected capitalist proponents to trust that their pet system could handle the invention of bits, harddrives, and TCP/IP without having to introduce fictions and ghosts like intellectual property as a monopoly-enforcing band-aid" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/capital-and-copyright [13:44] *matteobin (~matteobin@tecziqbycf9k2.irc) has joined #techrights [13:47] schestowitz[TR] wb, matteobin [13:47] schestowitz[TR] hopefully more onn-topic now [13:47] schestowitz[TR] we think abotu doing a video abourt your suggestion [13:47] schestowitz[TR] for irc in italy [13:47] schestowitz[TR] and many "farms" of chats [13:47] schestowitz[TR] instead of outsourced socialm control media [13:47] matteobin Thanks, schestowitz[TR] [13:47] schestowitz[TR] jyst need to research the matter a bit [13:47] schestowitz[TR] based on netsplit.de italy has many irc networks [13:48] schestowitz[TR] some quite large [13:48] matteobin That would be interesting. Do you know XMPP? Do you need help? [13:48] schestowitz[TR] xmpp is good too [13:48] schestowitz[TR] we used to use that at work for ages [13:48] schestowitz[TR] until some idiots who fancy "CLOWN COMPUTING" came top the company [13:48] schestowitz[TR] xmpp can do chatrooms also [13:49] matteobin Really? What job was that? Here we have all MS tech. Unfortunately. :( [13:49] schestowitz[TR] IT job [13:50] schestowitz[TR] https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCItalia.eu/ [13:50] TR Bot NO TITLE [13:50] schestowitz[TR] https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCserveR_Italia/ [13:50] TR Bot NO TITLE [13:50] matteobin Yes, XMPP is a mix between email and chat, like the infamous WhatsApp [13:50] schestowitz[TR] https://netsplit.de/networks/Italian-Amici/ [13:50] TR Bot NO TITLE [13:50] schestowitz[TR] https://netsplit.de/networks/GlobalIRC.it/ [13:50] TR Bot NO TITLE [13:50] *CrystalMath (~coderain@2w8unh46sf8uw.irc) has joined #techrights [13:51] schestowitz[TR] "During last connections to GlobalIRC.it its servers reported an average of 1629 users and 50 chat rooms. Use the following menu to get more information about IRC network GlobalIRC.it! [13:51] schestowitz[TR] " [13:51] schestowitz[TR] https://netsplit.de/networks/IRCGate.it/ [13:51] TR Bot NO TITLE [13:51] matteobin I didn't know about all these Italian channels, maybe they'll like GNU/Linux in there too! [13:52] schestowitz[TR] THEY ARE N NETWORKS ... oops caps [13:52] schestowitz[TR] sorry, caps lock [13:52] schestowitz[TR] they are not channels but networks [13:52] schestowitz[TR] and I noticed them some months ago [13:52] TR News Links 24/08/2022: xisxwayland 2 and Test Center 3.0 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/test-center-3-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/test-center-3-0/ [13:52] TR Bot Links 24/08/2022: xisxwayland 2 and Test Center 3.0 | Techrights [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:18] 10:04:57 matteobin; My dream would be if the state used a free or [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:18] open decentralised infrustructre. For instance in Italy we could have at [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:18] least one XMPP server per region. That would be rad! [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:20] yes, good idea [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:20] I noticed quite a few large italian irc servers [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:20] when I studied netsplit.net [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:20] *.de [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:30] [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:30] that ^ x 1000 [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:30] they already waste money fighting social control media, running their own [13:53] matteobin Sorry, I don't know much about how IRC networks work. [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:30] service would in some ways probably be less effort, overall, but the ROI [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:30] for the effot it would require would be great. The technical side would not [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:30] be too hard, maybe a few FTE for redundancy, but there would have to be [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:30] teams managing the interaction properly [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:30] there are also matters of defense, rumor control, and sovreignty which are [13:53] schestowitz-TR2 [11:31] hard to put a monetary value on but are valuable nonetheless [13:54] TR News (NEW): Red Hat Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Red_Hat_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Red_Hat_Leftovers.gmi [13:54] TR Bot Tux Machines Red Hat Leftovers" [13:55] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_leftovers.1.gmi [13:55] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [13:56] matteobin That's all good to me! I don't know if our politics would ever be able to understand how much Free Software and open technology are valuable, since they are not able to understand basic human rights. Have you ever heard of Salvini or Meloni? [13:57] matteobin Anyway the good thing about XMPP is that people would stop using WhatsApp as the primary communication method. [13:59] schestowitz[TR] https://web.archive.org/web/20080325181646/http://twitter.com/jzemlin [13:59] TR Bot Twitter / jzemlin [13:59] schestowitz[TR] he deleted all his tweets ^ [13:59] schestowitz[TR] matteobin: all those foreign-owned comms tools should be shunned [13:59] schestowitz[TR] it's not hard to host one's own [13:59] matteobin I'm a huge fan of public libraries. In my dream world we would have something similar for common shared digital services, like internet browsing (we already have that at libraries), email, XMMP or VoIP. A public and cozy Free Software server farm. ● Aug 24 [14:00] schestowitz[TR] zemlin: [14:00] schestowitz[TR] "etting up twitter instead of sleeping 01:29 AM February 28, 2008 from im [14:00] schestowitz[TR] Still can't sleep 01:26 AM February 28, 2008 from im [14:00] schestowitz[TR] Insomnia 01:17 AM February 28, 2008 from web " [14:00] techuser "free software" looks like a lie these days [14:00] techuser corporations do parasite on it [14:00] schestowitz[TR] that's called "Open Source" [14:01] matteobin Corporations do, but what about individuals or collectives? [14:01] techuser Lennart Poettering? [14:01] schestowitz[TR] https://web.archive.org/web/20080924033722/http://twitter.com/jzemlin/statuses/898000813 [14:01] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20080924033722/http://twitter.com/jzemlin/statuses/898000813 ) [14:02] schestowitz[TR] "Gmail went down while I am on vacation. Thanks Google!"-zemlin [14:02] schestowitz[TR] "Just did my first microloan." [14:02] matteobin Why is this relevant? Maybe I missed something. [14:17] schestowitz[TR] which part? [14:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [14:35] Helenah o.o [14:36] *Helenah dances around the rooom while waving her hand [14:36] TR News Jim Zemlins Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/ [14:36] TR Bot Jim Zemlins Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights [14:37] TR News CoCs let corporations spin fact-finding and investigations (against corporations) as "harassment" [14:47] matteobin schestowitz[TR]: The part about the tweets of the former Twitter user called Jim Zemlin [14:48] TR News Delete Twitter. Today. https://www.maketecheasier.com/ex-security-head-twitter-whistleblower/ [14:48] TR Bot Ex Security Head at Twitter Becomes Whistleblower - Make Tech Easier [14:48] schestowitz[TR] matteobin: he deleted all his tweets [14:48] schestowitz[TR] some are incriminating to some extent [14:48] matteobin Who is that guy? Do you know him? [14:49] schestowitz[TR] chief of 'Linux' Foundation [14:50] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [14:50] TR Bot Linux Foundation - Techrights [14:50] MinceR https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/elbows.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-elbows#comic ) [14:50] TR Bot & Happiness (Explosm.net) [14:50] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wiki/Jim_Zemlin [14:50] TR Bot Jim Zemlin - Techrights [14:50] matteobin What did he do to be incriminated? [14:50] schestowitz[TR] these people basically attack Linux... as a project [14:50] schestowitz[TR] they try to turn it into a product of Microsoft, VMware etc. [14:50] schestowitz[TR] i.e. gpl violators [14:50] matteobin I'll read the article you posted. [14:50] schestowitz[TR] and they promote github [14:50] schestowitz[TR] ti hed developers into the cage of Microsoft [14:50] matteobin Meh :( [14:51] schestowitz[TR] *to hed [14:51] schestowitz[TR] *to herd [14:51] schestowitz[TR] they also bribe publishers for PR [14:51] schestowitz[TR] and prkmtioon of diploma mills [14:51] schestowitz[TR] so of course the media rarely talks about these issues and seldom says anything bad about LF [14:52] schestowitz[TR] while it does habitually makee snide remarks on Torvalds [14:52] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/ [14:52] TR Bot [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights [14:52] matteobin Mills? What does the word mill mean? [14:52] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mill [14:52] TR Bot Diploma mill - Wikipedia [14:54] TR News Empty promises: more internet shutdowns during exams in MENA - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/empty-promises-shutdowns-exams/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/empty-promises-shutdowns-exams/ [14:54] TR Bot Empty promises: more internet shutdowns during exams in MENA - Access Now [14:54] techuser how many of the exams actually matter? [14:55] techuser there are some jobs which require to be fast [14:55] techuser but others don't [14:55] techuser we have Stack Overflow programmers for example [14:56] matteobin Well The Linux Foundation seems pretty bad! [14:56] TR News Monopolies-controlled w3c to BREAK the Web to herd all sites into the "trust" scheme of Pentagon cartel. They'd block any sites that the cabal does not fancy giving a cert to. Really awful. https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/22/w3cs_transition_https/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium [14:56] TR Bot W3C's planned transition to HTTPS stymied by legacy laggards The Register [14:56] TR Bot World Wide Web Consortium - Techrights [14:57] TR News w3c: DRM GOOD, legacy and backward compatibility (or self-signed certs) BAD. http://techrights.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium [14:57] TR News Hopefully WWW will die in a fire in the next 10 years [14:58] TR News Old: Techrights Calls for Tim Berners-Lee to Drop DRM Support, Regain Control of (Currently Corporations-run) W3C http://techrights.org/2013/06/01/w3c-and-drm/ [14:58] TR Bot Techrights Calls for Tim Berners-Lee to Drop DRM Support, Regain Control of (Currently Corporations-run) W3C | Techrights [14:59] TR News Tim B-L is a JavaScript relic, powered by proprietary Microsoft GitHub. Not what he was at CERN with his SUN box [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 41.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 119.30 [14:59] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights ● Aug 24 [15:00] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:02] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos " https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.1.gmi [15:02] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos" [15:03] TR News (NEW): Today in Techrights https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Today_in_Techrights.gmi [15:03] TR Bot Tux Machines Today in Techrights [15:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:31] *user021 (~user@56mr8zx47jkey.irc) has joined #techrights [15:35] *matteobin has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) [15:37] *matteobin (~matteobin@tecziqbycf9k2.irc) has joined #techrights [15:58] *user021 has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) ● Aug 24 [16:01] *techrights_guest|62 (~05945516@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [16:03] *techrights_guest|62 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [16:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [16:56] *psydroid2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 9.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 152.88 average k/sec., average swarm size 124.11 ● Aug 24 [17:17] phanes Ariadne, re: kiwi/fiberhub, I can't find it ethical to go after someone through their hosting provider and I think it sets a dangerous precedent. Might improve the state of things to encourage legal or social action against kiwi in lieu of targeting their hosting. [17:18] phanes I don't disagree that their user's behaviour on that issue is absolute trash though [17:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [17:26] *matteobin has quit (Quit: leaving) [17:29] *techrights-news has quit (Received malformed line) [17:31] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@ngvjyiryrrbba.irc) has joined #techrights [17:31] TR News "Recently, I've been experiencing a bit of a dip in my mental health. Prolonged ill health (in the form of two successive kidney stone incidents, one of which required an operation) has left me in a rut, while the pandemic hasn't helped." gemini://themby.smol.pub/2022-08-23 [17:31] schestowitz__[TR] "As I write this, I'm in the midst of removing my blog from my website, reintegrating all the timely content that once ran alongside big internet and turning it into something somewhat timeless. [17:31] schestowitz__[TR] " gemini://xiu.smol.pub/1661302403 [17:33] TR News gmi [17:33] TR News TELOPSC Wordo: KLOOF gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-08-24.gmi [17:34] TR News "I use Merriam-Webster's dictionary as a reference for SpellBinding. I've never had a single issue with them until today." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-08-23.missing.word.gmi [17:35] TR News "Writing long essays is fun. It's enjoyable to be able to express an idea, work on it a bit, mold it, pull out the imperfections, and show it off to the world. It can feel like a timeless accomplishment, rather than a temporal quip on social media." gemini://josias.dev/gemlog/longform.gmi [17:36] TR News My best guess at a climate solution gemini://idiomdrottning.org/solution "No more extracting oil, coal, or gas." [17:37] TR News "Weve rationed energy in the past and we need to do it again. This is also an efficient way to cut proof-of-work systems since a ban on it (which I would definitively welcome) is hard to enforce." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/solution [17:37] TR News Lost a Bike, Made a Bag, Bought Trousers gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-08-24-lost-a-bike-made-a-bag-bought-trousers.gmi [17:39] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:41] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:49] *techuser (~techuser@agkps5rm7zn9y.irc) has joined #techrights [17:50] TR News The Linux Foundation is a bit of a fraud, but it is connected to other frauds and charlatans, who dont care about Linux and dodge ethical standards http://techrights.org/2022/08/24/bakkt-scam/ [17:50] TR Bot Jim Zemlins Wife (at Bakkt) Seems to be Running a Pyramid Scheme or a Scam, Preying on Gullible People | Techrights [17:51] TR News (NEW): The Future of NGINX: Getting Back to Our Open Source Roots https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/The_Future_of_NGINX_Getting_Back_to_Our_Open_Source_Roots.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/The_Future_of_NGINX_Getting_Back_to_Our_Open_Source_Roots.gmi [17:51] TR Bot Tux Machines The Future of NGINX: Getting Back to Our Open Source Roots" [17:52] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Android_Leftovers.2.gmi [17:52] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [17:52] XRevan86 The Life of Ryan: "I'm not anti-trans, I just don't like Keith in particular." [17:53] XRevan86 But also: "Trans women. It's like denying a force of nature." [17:54] XRevan86 scientes: "have you ever coded ARM thumb code?" <- That would be a "no". [17:54] TR News Linux Mint 21 | Cinnamon Desktop is Awesome - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=4CYwYXLTJso | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/4CYwYXLTJso [17:54] TR Bot Linux Mint 21 | Cinnamon Desktop is Awesome - Invidious [17:54] techuser I hate sexes/genders [17:54] XRevan86 CrystalMath: "i kinda like TeX, but i sometimes joke about how elitist it is" <- There's always LyX, right? [17:54] techuser just a basis of discrimination and a cause of suffering [17:54] techuser and reproduction doesn't help anyway [17:55] XRevan86 schestowitz: "putin turns 70 in 2 months" <- That's the face of eternal youth :) [17:56] TR News Googles 1984 Moment | Coder Radio 480 https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149657/googles-1984-moment-coder-radio-480/ [17:56] TR Bot Google's 1984 Moment | Coder Radio 480 | Jupiter Broadcasting [17:56] XRevan86 DaemonFC: "I don't think ICQ is still around." <- But it is, owned by VK, although irrelevant even at the market it's trying to target. [17:57] TR News When ACTUAL pedophiles upload pedo stuff to Google but work for Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2020/08/18/rick-jones-beach-fetish/ [17:57] TR Bot Detectives Found That Bill Gates Engineer Took Photos of Latino Boys at the Beach. His Child Pornography Files Included Similar Material. | Techrights [17:57] XRevan86 darwin: "it's good in recent years they finally returned RSS" <- They did? I use an add-on. [17:58] TR News "We're spooked to learn how one man's life has been turned upside down just because he used Google Photos." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149657/googles-1984-moment-coder-radio-480/ [17:58] TR News Release: Police Report About Arrest of Bill Gates Engineer for Pedophilia (Detained at Residence of Bill Gates) http://techrights.org/2020/08/04/police-report-gates-residence-arrest/ [17:58] TR Bot Release: Police Report About Arrest of Bill Gates Engineer for Pedophilia (Detained at Residence of Bill Gates) | Techrights [17:58] TR News Release: 29 Pages of Internet Access Report About Pedophile Working for Bill Gates at His Home http://techrights.org/2020/08/04/report-about-gates-mansion-pedophile/ [17:58] TR Bot Release: 29 Pages of Internet Access Report About Pedophile Working for Bill Gates at His Home | Techrights [17:58] XRevan86 DaemonFC: "Makes you wonder about people. They're worried about getting something that nobody's died of because of vanity concerns, but not of HIV." <- There are recorded deaths from monkeypox. [17:58] TR News Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/jones-search-warrant/ [17:58] TR Bot Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | Techrights [17:59] TR News Release: Several Police Reports About Searching the Home of Bill Gates Engineer (Stockpiles of Child Pornography Found Along With Illegal Firearm) http://techrights.org/2020/08/06/gates-eng-police-search/ [17:59] TR Bot Release: Several Police Reports About Searching the Home of Bill Gates Engineer (Stockpiles of Child Pornography Found Along With Illegal Firearm) | Techrights [17:59] TR News Release: Bill Gates Engineer Busted for More Child Pornography Than Reported in the Media http://techrights.org/2020/08/10/rick-allen-jones-anomaly/ [17:59] TR Bot Release: Bill Gates Engineer Busted for More Child Pornography Than Reported in the Media | Techrights [17:59] TR News Imagine sucking up to Bill Gates... in 2022!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh1kZD7EVj0 [17:59] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Sh1kZD7EVj0 [17:59] TR Bot yewtu.be | Is Windows Bad? - Invidious ● Aug 24 [18:00] TR News Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates http://techrights.org/2022/08/23/jim-admires-bill/ [18:00] TR Bot Sheela Microsoft (Zemlin) Does Not Like Linux and Jim Zemlin Idolises Bill Gates | Techrights [18:01] TR News "Mozilla has released security updates to address vulnerabilities in Firefox, Firefox ESR, and Thunderbird. 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Also Gulag: we hire them. https://www.gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chats [18:03] TR Bot GCreep: Google Engineer Stalked Teens, Spied on Chats (Updated) [18:05] TR News "In this article, I will show you various Flatpak commands that make you a pro Flatpak user." https://www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/ Source: DebugPoint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/ [18:05] TR Bot reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/flatpak-commands/ ) [18:05] XRevan86 CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-22-08-23 [18:05] TR Bot Dispatch for August 22 Telegraph [18:05] TR News How to Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.shtml [18:05] TR Bot Tux Machines How to Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop [18:06] TR News The 12 GHz Band Is the Easy Case for Spectrum Sharing. 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[18:20] TR News [Intel-gfx] [PULL] drm-intel-gt-next https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-August/303966.html Source: Zx2c4 | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-August/303966.html [18:20] TR Bot [Intel-gfx] [PULL] drm-intel-gt-next [18:22] TR News With energy prices soaring do you want this liability? https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-gpu-flex-series [18:22] TR Bot Announces Data Center GPU Flex Series Review - Phoronix [18:26] TR News "Zero-Trust" - misused buzzwords (albeit not originally) https://containerjournal.com/features/buoyant-updates-linkerd-to-simplify-zero-trust-security/ [18:26] TR Bot Buoyant Updates Linkerd to Simplify Zero-Trust Security - Container Journal [18:27] TR News sudo apt update vs upgrade: Whats the Difference? - Its FOSS https://itsfoss.com/apt-update-vs-upgrade/ Source: Its FOSS | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itsfoss.com/apt-update-vs-upgrade/ [18:27] TR Bot sudo apt update vs upgrade: What's the Difference? - It's FOSS [18:28] TR News (NEW): Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/22/Mozilla_Firefox_104_Is_Now_Available_for_Download.gmi [18:28] TR Bot Tux Machines Mozilla Firefox 104 Is Now Available for Download, This Is Whats New [18:28] TR News (NEW): #HowTo Use Your Smartphone as a Second Monitor for Your Linux Desktop" https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/How_to_Use_Your_Smartphone_as_a_Second_Monitor_for_Your_Linux_D.gmi [18:28] TR News (NEW): Security: Patches, Holes, and More https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Security_Patches_Holes_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Security_Patches_Holes_and_More.gmi [18:28] TR Bot Tux Machines Security: Patches, Holes, and More [18:29] TR News You asked. We acted: Red Hat Customer Portal launches improved technical documentation user experience https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/you-asked-we-acted-red-hat-customer-portal-launches-improved-technical-documentation-user-experience Source: Red Hat Official [18:29] TR Bot You asked. We acted: Red Hat Customer Portal launches improved technical documentation user experience [18:30] TR News Blogspam/webspam ... sigh https://linuxsecurity.com/features/how-ravendb-has-earned-the-trust-of-hundreds-of-companies [18:30] TR Bot How RavenDB Has Earned the Trust of Hundreds of Companies | LinuxSe... [18:33] schestowitz[TR] Helenah: good day today? [18:33] Ariadne phanes: i agree that joshua should be sued for the harassment he enables, but he makes himself difficult to serve papers on [18:33] phanes so does matt [18:34] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/1549876810309148672-scaled.jpg [18:34] Helenah schestowitz[TR]: Yes. :) [18:34] TR News Nibble Stew: Random things on designing a text format for books https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/08/random-things-on-designing-text-format.html Source: Jussi Pakkanen | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//nibblestew.blogspot.com/2022/08/random-things-on-designing-text-format.html [18:34] TR Bot Nibble Stew: Random things on designing a text format for books [18:35] Ariadne i do not think that asking fiberhub and cloudflare to examine their own roles in operating a doxing website is unreasonable though [18:35] TR News (NEW): GStreamer for your backend services https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/GStreamer_for_your_backend_services.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/GStreamer_for_your_backend_services.gmi [18:35] TR Bot Tux Machines GStreamer for your backend services [18:35] Ariadne as far as i am concerned it is a similar nuisance to a botnet C&C. shutting down a C&C through technical means provides immediate harm reduction [18:35] phanes Ariadne, hosting providers should be content-neutral to protect content creators that may go against the grain but are necessary [18:36] schestowitz[TR] "content-neutral" has its limits [18:36] schestowitz[TR] not just ethical but legal [18:36] phanes that unfortunately means that some bad guys misuse that [18:36] schestowitz[TR] Intnerte Archive had issues with ISIS uploading beheading vids [18:36] schestowitz[TR] Iceland also [18:37] schestowitz[TR] the operators won't go like, [18:37] phanes without that neutrality you have a caustic dystopian environment where if you're not smiling and agreeing with corporate malfeasance or caustic generational cultural mishaps then you get canceled [18:37] schestowitz[TR] "oh, cool, today we served 100,000 requests for this guy getting his head sawed off" [18:37] Ariadne content neutrality does not include coordinating peoples efforts to commit crimes [18:37] phanes it does -- the courts should handle illegal content not the hosting providers [18:38] schestowitz[TR] "Free Speech Absolutist" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/23/free-speech-absolutist-elon-musk-pens-column-for-chinese-censorship-agency/ | Source: Techdirt [18:38] TR Bot Speech Absolutist Elon Musk Pens Column For Chinese Censorship Agency | Techdirt [18:38] phanes thats how you prevent an era where people are afraid of their hosting providers to post controversial content [18:38] Ariadne many of the people who are targeted by kiwifarms do not have the resources to make use of the court system [18:38] phanes oh no doubt, there needs to be some kind of class action [18:38] Ariadne again the site literally doxes children [18:39] phanes i envision kiwi ending much the way alex jones did (minus the deplatforming, which is unethical) [18:39] schestowitz[TR] usually it bolls down to public interest [18:39] schestowitz[TR] which public? that's a tricky one [18:39] phanes in this way a court provides actual justice and the owner is stripped of his wealth instead of being deplatformed in a way where he will adapt his model to be immune to the next attempt to stop him [18:40] phanes a hosting provider should serve one purpose: converting money into content delivery, agnostic of that content [18:40] schestowitz[TR] [17:05] China having a field day over US mistreatment of publishers like Wikileaks https://yewtu.be/watch?v=a7ifDWw4NRo [18:41] TR Bot China: Claims of CIA spying on lawyers for Assange again reflect US hypocrisy on human rights - Invidious [18:41] Ariadne i mean i think that joshua should face criminal liability for his role in this [18:41] schestowitz[TR] in the west the standsards for deplatforming are being lowered [18:41] MinceR "they should be more like us, openly shitting on human rights!" [18:41] schestowitz[TR] in china it's already, "anything the head of state doesn't fancy" [18:41] schestowitz[TR] like in belarus [18:42] Ariadne and some have faced criminal liability for their involvement in kiwifarms [18:42] Ariadne already [18:42] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: they say something close [18:42] MinceR that's because they're lying sacks of shit [18:42] schestowitz[TR] they justify their own actions to the world and to their [sic] people [18:42] schestowitz[TR] "look, even the west reached the same conclusions as us" [18:43] phanes Ariadne, oh agreed 100% on criminal liability for joshua/kiwi [18:43] MinceR also, maybe elongated muskrat is a "free speech absolutist" in the sense that he wants absolutely no free speech to exist whatsoever [18:43] phanes shutting him down in the middle of the act may actually prevent that [18:43] schestowitz[TR] [15:05] Old: China is our real enemy says WikiLeaks' Assange https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-assange-idUKTRE70B5C420110112 [18:43] TR Bot is our real enemy says WikiLeaks' Assange | Reuters [18:44] MinceR "we can only have one real enemy at a time" [18:44] schestowitz[TR] true leader [18:44] schestowitz[TR] real god [18:44] schestowitz[TR] the one jehovah [18:44] Ariadne anyway, cloudflare breaks the law by hosting the taliban [18:44] schestowitz[TR] it's a sin to worship another [18:45] Ariadne so thats another reason to dislike them [18:45] MinceR imaginary frenemy [18:45] schestowitz[TR] Ariadne: wait, clownflare serves GOP pages? [18:45] MinceR so apparently crimeflare thinks that script blocking and Tor are both worse than the taliban [18:45] MinceR interesting [18:46] schestowitz[TR] Gulag direct women who seek abortion to ANTI-=abortion "clinics" [18:46] phanes i would say that means they get the memo on what their purpose in civilization is [18:48] schestowitz[TR] clownflare is weakening taliban [18:48] phanes i remember when matt trout was filing false reports to linode on me a while back and almost got his ass hauled in front of a judge to explain himself [18:48] schestowitz[TR] by controlling its traffic [18:48] schestowitz[TR] and spying on who goes on taliban sites [18:48] schestowitz[TR] think of it like FBI running poedo sites [18:48] schestowitz[TR] like playpen [18:48] Ariadne schestowitz[TR]: no i mean the actual taliban [18:48] schestowitz[TR] taliban would be foolish to let us-based companies control the routing [18:49] schestowitz[TR] Ariadne: but which country? [18:49] schestowitz[TR] taliban has branches now [18:49] Ariadne afghanistan [18:49] schestowitz[TR] they even shake hands with the US offshot [18:49] phanes Ariadne, in all fairness the us has a deal in effect with the taliban [18:49] phanes signed feb 29 2020 [18:50] phanes why we are maintaining diplomatic relations with child killers and actual rapists is beyond me [18:50] Ariadne yeah but they did this before then [18:51] Ariadne and also ISIL [18:51] Ariadne which we definitely dont have a deal with [18:51] phanes true [18:51] schestowitz[TR] https://www.thequint.com/news/world/un-security-council-endorses-us-taliban-peace-deal-2 [18:51] TR Bot UN Security Council Endorses US-Taliban Peace Deal in Afghanistan [18:51] phanes i still think hosting providers need to be content-neutral and held harmless of any liability for the content they serve [18:52] schestowitz[TR] Helsinki https://eu.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2020/06/27/russia-puts-bounty-american-troops-and-trump-does-nothing/3272420001/ [18:52] TR Bot Russia puts bounty on American troops and Trump does nothing [18:52] phanes its a taliban problem, not a cloudflare problem, just as its an isil and kiwi problem, not a cloudflare problem [18:52] schestowitz[TR] Trump thought Finland was part of Russia [18:52] schestowitz[TR] maybe his boss told him so [18:52] schestowitz[TR] maybe he knows something we don't know [18:52] schestowitz[TR] putin's 70th year gift [18:52] MinceR putler probably considers the entire universe to be part of orcland [18:52] *souseksi (~souseksi@xuvtf885khyde.irc) has joined #techrights [18:52] phanes plot twist: trump was a russian plant sent to undermine us credibility diplomatic strategies [18:53] phanes *credibility & diplomatic strategies [18:53] phanes ^ this is not true but i want to see this movie [18:53] MinceR he was the Moscovian Candidate [18:53] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: cheeto at 9pm [18:53] schestowitz[TR] https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/07/09/USAT/df4821e0-aa6e-429a-b9e1-e552fdf99831-GTY_1000209288.JPG?crop=4499,2531,x1,y70&width=2560 [18:54] MinceR that cdn is incredibly sluggish [18:54] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: they look liike they are made of wax [18:54] MinceR but yeah, i can see it [18:54] phanes deplatforming even horribly unethical content really is a slippery slope into a dystopian hellscape where those without blue hair cannot speak [18:54] MinceR that's an insult to wax [18:54] schestowitz[TR] glass?> [18:56] schestowitz[TR] Putrump waxing lyrically [18:56] *schestowitz[TR] checks today's covid reports [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 145.76 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.06 ● Aug 24 [19:09] XRevan86 CIT (War in Ukraine): https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-August-23-08-24 [19:09] TR Bot Dispatch for August 23 Telegraph [19:14] TR News New COVID-19 Data Out 3 Hours Ago: This Summer's Hospitalisations Remain Extremely High (More Than Ten Times Higher Than 2020), Totals Doubled This Past Year and May Exceed 1,000,000 Next Month https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/24/hospitalisation-totals-doubled/ [19:14] TR Bot Blog Archive New COVID-19 Data Out 3 Hours Ago: This Summers Hospitalisations Remain Extremely High (More Than Ten Times Higher Than 2020), Totals Doubled This Past Year and May Exceed 1,000,000 Next Month [19:16] TR News 1,000,000 in UK hospitals with COVID-19. More than 20% of them leave in a body bag. BillBC: We're made it!! COVID-19 is defeated. Also: buy more patented vaccine doses (patents Gates profits from... passing a fragment of the profits as more bribes to BillBC) [19:18] TR News BillBC: it is distasteful to have disdain for criminal activity is the said criminals are BillBC sponsors. [19:18] schestowitz[TR] *if the [19:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [19:20] TR News SPAMNIL Bhartiya relaying anti-Free software talking points again. The click-fraudsters has resorted to attacking "Open Source" for money... as if a need to make money excuses fraud and lying. Then again, 'Linux' Foundation does the same. Birds flock together... [19:22] TR News Perl Weekly Challenge 179: Ordinal Numbers and Unicode Sparkline http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/08/perl-weekly-challenge-179-ordinal-numbers-and-unicode-sparkline.html [19:22] TR Bot Weekly Challenge 179: Ordinal Numbers and Unicode Sparkline | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org] [19:22] TR News (NEW): Neptune 7.5 "Ada" overview | an elegant out of the box experience. https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Neptune_7_5_Ada_overview_an_elegant_out_of_the_box_experience.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Neptune_7_5_Ada_overview_an_elegant_out_of_the_box_experience.gmi [19:22] TR Bot Tux Machines Neptune 7.5 "Ada" overview | an elegant out of the box experience. [19:24] *loner (~loner@2rmfpitrp9iqq.irc) has joined #techrights [19:24] schestowitz[TR] hi, loner [19:24] techuser hi [19:26] TR News (UDPATED): StarFive VisionFive 2 quad-core RISC-V SBC launched for $46 and up (Crowdfunding) (UPDATED) https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/StarFive_VisionFive_2_quad_core_RISC_V_SBC_launched_for_46_and_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/23/StarFive_VisionFive_2_quad_core_RISC_V_SBC_launched_for_46_and_.gmi [19:26] TR Bot Tux Machines StarFive VisionFive 2 quad-core RISC-V SBC launched for $46 and up (Crowdfunding) (UPDATED) [19:26] TR News DevSpace 6: Client-only developer tool for cloud-native development with Kubernetes - Help Net Security https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/08/24/devspace-6-kubernetes/ Source: Help Net Security | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/08/24/devspace-6-kubernetes/ [19:26] TR Bot DevSpace 6: Client-only developer tool for cloud-native development with Kubernetes - Help Net Security [19:27] TR News Hyping up GC, as usual, while openly and shamelessly promoting ciphers with back doors in them! https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/08/24/preparing-critical-infrastructure-post-quantum-cryptography [19:27] TR Bot Preparing Critical Infrastructure for Post-Quantum Cryptography | CISA [19:27] TR News It is widely known that those who exit the hospitals (alive afterwards, not in a body bag) have life-long or long-term damage. It happens most of the time. Those who survive dont live too well. So were not actually solving the problem. We just test less to blind ourselves to the problem. https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/08/24/hospitalisation-totals-doubled/ [19:34] TR News (NEW): Wii U emulator Cemu 2.0 out, goes open source and gets Linux support https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Wii_U_emulator_Cemu_2_0_out_goes_open_source_and_gets_Linux_sup.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Wii_U_emulator_Cemu_2_0_out_goes_open_source_and_gets_Linux_sup.gmi [19:34] TR Bot Tux Machines Wii U emulator Cemu 2.0 out, goes open source and gets Linux support [19:39] *psymin_ (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [19:39] *darwin has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:39] *psymin has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:40] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [19:44] phanes mjg59_, how's my foghorn leghorn impression getting? [19:47] phanes https://youtu.be/kF6qUh3T9KE [19:47] TR Bot https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=kF6qUh3T9KE [19:47] TR Bot vid.puffyan.us | Looney Tunes | Foghorn Leghorn on the Farm | Classic Cartoon Compilation | WB Kids - Invidious [19:48] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/today_s_howtos.2.gmi [19:48] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [19:51] phanes doo-dah, doo-dah [19:56] TR News (NEW): Random things on designing a text format for book https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Random_things_on_designing_a_text_format_for_book.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Random_things_on_designing_a_text_format_for_book.gmi [19:57] TR Bot Tux Machines Random things on designing a text format for book [19:59] TR News frontends/va: improve enc quality interface change (!17994) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/17994 Source: AMD [19:59] TR Bot frontends/va: improve enc quality interface change (!17994) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab ● Aug 24 [20:08] Ariadne anyway i recently picked up an industrial PC for $93 that performs much better than the rpi4 it replaced ;/ [20:09] Ariadne the rpi4 cost twice as much too [20:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [20:21] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [20:39] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@cwit59532us6w.irc) has joined #techrights [20:44] *souseksi has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [20:48] *souseksi (~souseksi@xuvtf885khyde.irc) has joined #techrights [20:52] DaemonFC Yes, mjg59_'s former employer sends women to fake abortion clinics. I saw an article about that the other day. A woman accidentally called one of them and then they started pleading with her to "keep the baby" and then sending harassing text messages. [20:53] DaemonFC After she hung up on them. [20:54] DaemonFC They don't just ask you nicely, they start blowing up your phone and then handing your info to the polive. [20:54] DaemonFC *police [20:54] DaemonFC It's really creepy. [20:55] MinceR (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/weekend-random-randomness-7-31-22-31.jpg [20:56] DaemonFC GULAG themselves said they wouldn't hand info over to the police about women seeking an abortion. [20:56] XRevan86 https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1561919383022313473 [20:56] DaemonFC In reality, they have all kinds of data and the first time there's a court order, they'll hand everything right over. [20:56] TR Bot Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Watch Russia blame the West for Dugina's death and predict a full-on war with NATO, but listen closely: Kremlin propagandists are trying to use her demise to mobilize the population, revealing weapon production problems and a lackluster recruitment."|nitter.it [20:56] XRevan86 https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1562128948066123779 [20:56] TR Bot Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Meanwhile on Russian state TV: member of Russia's Federation Council Konstantin Dolgov claimed that Russiathe country that started the largest-scale land war in Europe in recent historyis providing safety and security for Ukraine, Europe and the entire world. Orwell is weeping."|nitter.it [20:56] XRevan86 https://nitter.it/JuliaDavisNews/status/1562166385324818433 [20:56] TR Bot Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Top Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov (who boasts of not being sanctioned by the U.S.) self-identifies as a terrorist, describing what he would like for the Russian Armed Forces to do in Ukraine."|nitter.it [20:57] DaemonFC But by floating "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" to the top, they do a lot of damage indirectly. [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 37.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 121.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 128.01 ● Aug 24 [21:00] DaemonFC mjg59_ said, iirc, that he was making an effort to change Google from the inside. [21:01] DaemonFC Kids in cages, handing abortion trial evidence over to the state prosecutor. [21:03] DaemonFC Matthew GULAG and the Chocolate Factory [21:04] DaemonFC Come with me, and you'll see, a world where kids are in incarceration, getting raped, getting killed, during the Trump administration. [21:04] DaemonFC I guess GULAG pays well enough to ignore their ICE contracts. [21:05] CrystalMath XRevan86: i truly wonder what that has to do with tech rights [21:05] DaemonFC They have a terrible string of hiring people who have defects in their conscience, or none at all. [21:05] DaemonFC Nobody with a conscience would help build something like Google. [21:06] DaemonFC Then say I'm the bad guy for not liking "Uncle Keith". [21:07] DaemonFC What's going on in the United States today, where nobody is doing anything about these criminals that run our government, is fundamentally the same thing that was going on in Nazi Germany. [21:08] DaemonFC It's dangerous to even speak out against it, much less try to fight them. [21:08] DaemonFC So people are afraid and tend to mind their own business. [21:09] DaemonFC The Democrats animated the anti-abortion movement. [21:09] XRevan86 https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/23/a78629 [21:09] TR Bot Dozens of Moscow Metro Passengers Detained on Russia Flag Day - The Moscow Times [21:09] DaemonFC I can tell you what forcing taxpayers to pay for it in Illinois did. [21:09] XRevan86 https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/08/23/a78633 [21:09] TR Bot Yandex Reaches Binding Deal to Divest News Service, Homepage to VK - The Moscow Times [21:09] DaemonFC It had implications outside of Illinois, for sure. [21:10] DaemonFC The anti-abortion movement got a shot in the arm, because the government was seen as moving from neutral on the issue to encouraging people to have it done and even paying for it. [21:10] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Is that what bothers you? [21:11] CrystalMath XRevan86: well, i'm bothered by your terrible opinion, but if i keep responding to it, we will fill up the channel with stuff that has nothing to do with tech rights [21:11] MinceR curious, that wasn't a problem before [21:11] CrystalMath i pretty much didn't respond for months until a few days ago [21:17] DaemonFC https://www.npr.org/2022/08/24/1118879917/student-loan-forgiveness-biden [21:17] TR Bot Biden to cancel up to $10K in student loan debt for borrowers making under $125K : NPR [21:17] DaemonFC Pocahontas back at it again. [21:17] DaemonFC Sen. Elizabeth Warren, also of Massachusetts, highlighted the ways Biden's plan could help address racial inequalities: "Because Black Americans borrow more money to go to school, borrow more money in school and have a harder time paying their debt off after school, the President's action will also help narrow the racial wealth gap in the United States among borrowers." [21:18] DaemonFC If blacks are having more trouble paying the loans back it means they studied something that didn't help them and/or didn't do very well at it. [21:18] MinceR or that they were poorer to begin with [21:18] DaemonFC Regardless, this is more election year vote buying. [21:19] DaemonFC He expects his party to do very badly at the polls, so he just starts tossing out helicopter money at idiots who went to school and still didn't make anything of themselves and that's why they can't pay their loan back. [21:20] DaemonFC And then he makes sure the "moratorium" goes on past the election so the remaining payments won't start back up in time to anger voters. [21:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:23] loner still, can't wrap my head around GNU binutils and assembly language [21:26] loner i see no way to avoid them, GNU binutils, vendor specific and gas specific assembly [21:30] *MinceR passes gas [21:31] loner one test case, for example, statically compiled/linked dietlibc+toybox and some development utilities, provides a complete *nix development system [21:31] DaemonFC MinceR, Don't mind Bill Gates. [21:31] loner i mean, with a tcc-toolchain, this compiles in a few minutes, the entire toolchain and cross-compiler maintenance would be much simpler than GNU or LLVM [21:31] DaemonFC He's just here to meter that. [21:32] DaemonFC He flew in on his private jet this morning. [21:34] loner for example dietlibc# find . | grep '\.S$' | cat -n ... that's almost 700 asm files, which i bet almost none could be digested without binutils gas [21:34] DaemonFC https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/liberal-hysteria.jpg [21:35] loner dietlibc/arm# arm-tcc -I../include/ -I../ start.S [21:35] *souseksi has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [21:35] loner arm-features.h:57: error: known instruction expected ... puff, bam... all over the place [21:35] loner i mean, dietlibc is just one example (musl, uclibc, glibc, all of them are cluttered) [21:36] loner just picked dietlibc, because it's the smallest i knew [21:36] loner and as soon as GNU/binutils are involved, the horror show begins elsewhere too (autotools/automake to name one) [21:37] DaemonFC Look at the catastrophe that unfolded the other day because glibc people redefined what an ABI-breaking change means. [21:37] DaemonFC They must have been inspired by Biden's recession. [21:37] loner it's wrecked, and a knee-jerk [21:38] loner and the problem isn't if GNU and their sponsors want to "innovate" and blow up everything [21:38] DaemonFC If glibc people are going to break glibc and not worry about what's linked to it, then why not just change your distribution's C library and be done with it? [21:38] loner problem is, the tiny niche of what i am looking for was crushed by them too [21:38] loner ireversible, beyond repair [21:39] loner because, if you backtrack this, to something acceptable, you'll arrive at mos6502/z80 and earlier era computing [21:39] loner seems to me, GNU and whoever, they still seem to be proud of the wreckage they produced [21:40] loner and grant each other awards and whatnot [21:40] DaemonFC I raised an eyebrow at Ariadne's Alpine Linux thing. [21:40] Ariadne what "thing" [21:40] DaemonFC I think they changed to one of those "less bloated" C libraries. [21:40] *souseksi (~souseksi@xuvtf885khyde.irc) has joined #techrights [21:40] Ariadne "changed" [21:40] DaemonFC I used to roll my eyes because everyone has a small C library and they never end up being compatible with glibc. [21:40] loner i consider Alpine Linux among the least problematic [21:40] DaemonFC But if glibc isn't going to be compatible with its own ABI, fuck glibc. [21:41] Ariadne DaemonFC: compatibility with GNU/Linux is not a goal of alpine [21:41] XRevan86 activelow changed the nickname again: heureka loner [21:41] Ariadne that is like asking OpenBSD to be compatible with FreeBSD [21:41] DaemonFC I don't know how compatible the BSDs are with each other. [21:42] DaemonFC I've never been a BSD user. I tried to install PC-BSD 6 once because they told me it was really easy to use and had binary packages and everything, which you just installed and that was that. [21:42] DaemonFC But it had no network driver for my onboard ethernet. [21:42] DaemonFC I got much further along with Solaris than I did with BSD because Solaris installed and had drivers for my hardware. [21:43] DaemonFC If mjg59_ wasn't such a shill he'd admit Windows is what I said it was. [21:43] DaemonFC An OS should have lots of drivers. Unfortunately, Windows is a really bad OS and even the driver model is irredeemably fucked. [21:43] loner thing is, i can set AS=binutils-gas in a few minutes, and compile/link my entire distro with tcc-toolchain already [21:44] loner however, i am not willing to compromise, because libc is among the most critical components everything else depends on [21:44] DaemonFC Most other operating systems are generally well designed (at least much better than Windows), but whether they have drivers are not is an entirely different story. [21:45] loner another option, bootstrappable.org patched both tcc and musl-libc-1.x, for i386, yet this is another compromise i am not willing to accept, to exclusively vendor lock against x86 [21:45] DaemonFC There's really only a few things the user looks at in an OS. Does it perform well? Does it run my hardware? Does it run my software? Can I actually get this thing installed at all? [21:45] DaemonFC I don't like IBM but I have Fedora because it ticks those boxes. [21:45] loner and re-implementing binutils gas into tcc-toolchain, is both very much effort, and it too contradicts the entire design philosophy of tcc [21:46] loner in the end, GNU -> no "freedom of choice" [21:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [21:46] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [21:47] DaemonFC You could say Windows runs a lot of programs, that's certainly true. [21:48] DaemonFC But it fails my other tests. It doesn't run well, it has all kinds of driver errors and bugs. Half the time the print system doesn't work at all. [21:48] DaemonFC The security is not actual security, it's just designed to make a lot of noise about "security". [21:49] DaemonFC What mjg59_ calls security is what my spouse calls "corned beef". [21:49] DaemonFC I say I want to make a brisket in the pressure cooker, he goes "Why don't you just get a can of Armour courned beef?". [21:50] loner well yes, i would want to ask and talk with competent GNU developers [21:51] loner i feel somewhat betrayed, by what's advertised as "free software" by them, GNU/FSF/Mapple [21:52] loner and more important, i consider the type of software and design philosophy _dangerous_ [21:52] loner of cause it's not specific to "free software", Mapple and IBM MICROS~1 are wrecked too [21:53] loner however, with "free software" i was misguided to think, a chance remained to salvage at least some of it [21:53] loner yet, vendor-specific and GNU specific gas assembly prevent just that [21:54] loner furthermore, "competition", i didn't intend to interfere with their business prospects, the target audience for the type of system i envisioned remained small anyway [21:55] loner nonetheless, with their anti-competitive agenda they wrecked my tiny niche too [21:59] DaemonFC Actual security and mjg59_ security is the difference between a nice Italian restaurant that costs $100 a person and my ex, John, coming home and flinging his socks and underwear across the room and microwaving a bowl of Chef Boyardee Ravioli and dumping a cup of Kraft parmesan cheese on it. [21:59] DaemonFC There's a little bit of a difference. [21:59] DaemonFC And that's like, what we're seeing from the GNU project lately with their software. ● Aug 24 [22:00] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [22:00] DaemonFC Enemies of Free Software have persuaded maintainers to go into revolt against not only Free Software concepts and ideals, but also basic code quality and commitments to support what you've added in the past when you need it for support with a standard or something that a lot of software went ahead and depended on. [22:01] DaemonFC It's important to make sure you're not breaking tons of software that people actually use, which is not even old. [22:01] DaemonFC And they WON'T even promise to do that anymore. [22:02] *loner has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:02] *loner (~loner@nn58qcu3qngy2.irc) has joined #techrights [22:03] DaemonFC So the situation we get is the one schestowitz[TR] linked to the other day. [22:03] DaemonFC "Win32 is the only stable ABI on Linux". [22:04] DaemonFC This should not be true, but thanks to glibc, they're right! [22:04] DaemonFC If the glibc people drop something, and Wine gets broken, and adapts, the Windows programs will work again. [22:06] DaemonFC It would be ideal if someone would (1) fork glibc (2) fix it up as well as possible (3) have compatibility guarantees, such as adding back DT_HASH. [22:06] loner in the end, all of them are cluttered with vendor-specific and GNU gas syntax [22:06] loner https://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html [22:06] TR Bot Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux [22:09] DaemonFC The resource savings for dropping DT_HASH aren't big enough to land on anyone's radar. [22:09] DaemonFC This change was completely fucking useless and stupid. [22:10] DaemonFC It's like how no engineer would have designed an evaporative emissions ssytem for a car because you're putting in $2,000 worth of shit that can break and saving a couple gallons of gasoline per YEAR. [22:11] DaemonFC Design By Politician [22:11] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:11] loner would be interesting to see, how much of the GNU userspace and other software could be used with dietlibc [22:11] DaemonFC You're savign 16 KB of space for the glibc Shared Object. [22:12] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:12] DaemonFC How big is glibc now? [22:12] loner see the link: complete .a set 2MiB, .so set is 8MiB ... it's insanely huge [22:12] DaemonFC Yes, so 16 KB saves you nothing. [22:12] DaemonFC At this point, you may as well just be compatible. [22:13] DaemonFC mjg59_ is demonstrably wrong about the security of JavaScript. [22:14] DaemonFC In fact, it's so easy to prove him wrong that it's the best way to handle untrusted code that all you need to do is point him as WebKit security alerts, or Mozilla SpiderMonkey ones after they declassify them of course, and V8. [22:14] DaemonFC They spring all sorts of leaks. [22:14] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [22:15] DaemonFC The People's Republic of China used one in JavaScriptCore (WebKit) a couple of years ago to spy on dissidents and install malware on their computers after tricking them into visiting a site. [22:15] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:15] DaemonFC And since there's no way to turn JavaScript off in Safari, it's guaranteed to work if you can find something like that and exploit it. [22:16] loner the solution to Javascript is only this: entire removal [22:16] Ariadne ironically, musl continues to support DT_HASH :) [22:16] DaemonFC Your best bet on GNU/Linux is to make sure that if you use any browser to (1) install updates immediately and (2) disable JavaScript and use it only as needed. [22:16] DaemonFC 90% of the domains that load JavaScript on a site don't do anything to help you. [22:16] DaemonFC As a rule of thumb. [22:17] DaemonFC That makes them a liability. [22:17] Ariadne (though i wonder if DaemonFC actually knows what DT_HASH and DT_GNU_HASH are/do ;)) [22:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [22:20] DaemonFC https://flapenguin.me/elf-dt-hash [22:20] TR Bot symbol lookup via DT_HASH | flapenguin.me [22:20] DaemonFC I think this explains it pretty well. [22:21] DaemonFC So glibc has violated the ELF standard if I'm understanding this correctly? [22:21] Ariadne yes [22:21] DaemonFC It should always support DT_HASH as a failback even if there's a superior hash table format available like the GNU one. [22:21] Ariadne though, there are some arguably good reasons to do so. DT_HASH has a lot of problems [22:21] Ariadne however, i agree that it's not worth breaking ABI compatibility over [22:22] DaemonFC This is one of those "Why would you even do that?" facepalm moments. [22:22] DaemonFC As far as I'm concerned. [22:22] Ariadne if i were to build a new ecosystem, i would probably only bother with DT_GNU_HASH [22:22] DaemonFC Programs don't HAVE to use the slower ELF implementation. [22:23] Ariadne but technically DT_HASH *is* required by the spec [22:23] Ariadne and the spec is unlikely to be updated [22:23] DaemonFC It's just that some of them do, and those are usually incompetent developers or ones that target other *nix systems and don't want to write two implementations. [22:23] DaemonFC Of course the spec is unlikely to be updated. [22:23] DaemonFC It's over 20 years old. [22:24] Ariadne the ELF specification was written by the TIS group in the 90s, and that group is long disbanded [22:24] DaemonFC If you were designing a new binary format today, you'd definitely change some of these things. [22:24] Ariadne though the linux foundation have a nice copy of the spec ;) [22:24] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:24] Ariadne i dunno, i think ELF is mostly fine [22:24] DaemonFC But since everyone is using ELF and it would be so painful to get rid of that we're talking impossible, implement ELF! [22:24] Ariadne though some things are unnecessarily complicated [22:25] DaemonFC If you want to do cool non-conformant GNU-ish things on the side that are some optional code path, do that. [22:26] DaemonFC I think that DT_GNU_HASH is a good idea and the documentation should reflect "DO NOT USE DT_HASH IN NEW APPLICATIONS! It is considered deprecated, and it does not perform well!". [22:26] DaemonFC I mean, software is full of these situations, you know. [22:26] Ariadne ELF beats COFF, hands down, but OSF/1 Mach-O was better [22:27] Ariadne sadly AT&T and Sun made ELF a royalty-free standard and so OSF/1 switched to ELF [22:27] Ariadne well, some variants of OSF/1 anyway [22:27] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [22:27] Ariadne macOS is using Mach-O still [22:27] DaemonFC By the time we're at a point where we could do this and absolutely nobody would probably mind, it'll be 20 years from now, and computers will have 128 GB of RAM in your laptop and nobody gives a shit, and it might as well stay there even then. [22:28] DaemonFC Like, there are arguments like this from 2002 where back then something was unbelievably bloated and shitty. [22:28] DaemonFC And folks wanted to remove it then. [22:28] DaemonFC And now it's still there, and nobody cares. Why? [22:29] DaemonFC PCs don't ship with single core Pentium 4s and 128-256 MB of RAM anymore. [22:29] loner 512MiB were common at that time already [22:29] loner and, the raspberry zero 1.3 still operates at that level of resources available [22:30] DaemonFC Walmart PCs were still shipping 128 MB and XP. [22:30] *DaemonFC shudders [22:30] phanes >I think they changed to one of those "less bloated" C libraries | no, they changed to musl because building a sysroot with glibc is a ginormous pain in the ass that requires deep specialization -- thats why they're busybox instead of a proper userspace [22:30] DaemonFC That's like 4 GB and Windows 11 today. [22:30] DaemonFC Someone will make a really horrible computer to hit a price point. [22:30] loner however, software quality... i mean, try to reverse engineer some 1MiB BIOS.ROM blob... tell me when you're done with it... [22:30] *loner waits [22:30] Ariadne phanes: you can get gnu coreutils on alpine just fine, or any other userspace you want [22:31] phanes Ariadne, you can install packages to build other things but you can't get a glibc-based system -- compiling glibc is not hard. building a glibc world is. [22:31] Ariadne you can even run gnu coreutils on solaris :D [22:31] Ariadne phanes: yeah, glibc build process is a nightmare [22:31] Ariadne at work, we are building a glibc distribution that is alpine-like [22:32] Ariadne and there is a lot of glibc stuff that is just undocumented [22:32] phanes i take like 6 months off at a time playing with it so that i don't rage out and become the wandering golem of linux [22:32] Ariadne even when consulting LFS as reference, it is like "you have to do this, we have no idea why" [22:33] phanes Ariadne, their devs are the same way, they just copy the last version and with the exception of a couple of the elderly they dont know why they do what they do anymore either [22:34] Ariadne anyway, alpine intentionally is outside of gnu/linux sphere because of this stuff ;D [22:34] phanes they even changed their culture to be "we dont provide support for deviations from the book, yadda yadda, we're not a 'build your own distro' project, we're a 'build lfs project' yadda yadda" which was not a case with their old guard -- wasn't that way until ubuntu sent in ikonia to gut them out [22:34] loner i simply see no reasonable solution to the ASM problems within _all_ libc [22:35] Ariadne and, there is `gcompat` on alpine which does a reasonable job at running glibc programs [22:35] Ariadne it's basically like WINE, but for glibc [22:35] phanes ew is that an EFI type monstrosity [22:35] loner bootstrappable.org made some progress with some musl-1.x version for i386, nonetheless, vendor-lock against i386... no. [22:36] Ariadne gcompat, actually works pretty well [22:36] Ariadne people run vscode and spotify in it [22:36] Ariadne only thing that doesn't work reliably yet is nvidia drivers [22:37] Ariadne personally, not terribly interested in running binary blobs though [22:37] DaemonFC I'm definitely going to try out GhostBSD at some point on my older laptop. [22:37] Ariadne the only thing i use gcompat with is the management utility for my RAID card [22:37] DaemonFC I'm getting really annoyed with what's going on with GNU. [22:37] phanes that whole paradigm might shift soon, i think the nvidia drivers were released open source [22:38] Ariadne the kernel module was [22:38] Ariadne most of the IP is now locked up in firmware [22:38] DaemonFC It's exceptionally petty. [22:38] Ariadne like AMD [22:38] DaemonFC They don't just violate standards, they give developers no choice. [22:38] DaemonFC Like we're going to cut off the standards compliant mode and if you don't change, your app just won't work so hahaha. [22:39] Ariadne i am surprised they haven't done it sooner tbh [22:39] DaemonFC That's the exact same mindset that IBM has. [22:39] phanes man why yall hate on ibm so much [22:39] phanes they dont seem to be evil tbh [22:39] DaemonFC Even though they say they won't fund GNU anymore because they had to make up allegations of bigotry against Richard Stallman. [22:39] Ariadne why would GNU people care about running binary blobs [22:39] Ariadne it's not free software [22:40] DaemonFC I think Stallman is not that well versed in politics, and I think his opinions on the economy are a disaster. [22:40] DaemonFC But he's not a bigot. [22:40] phanes now project leaders at RH is a different story. theyve done some evil shit. but their parent company is completely agnostic of that whole endeavour. [22:40] Ariadne i don't know about that [22:40] Ariadne IBM tried to kill big-endian POWER use on linux [22:40] Ariadne with their ELFv2 specification [22:41] DaemonFC Well, when Stallman said "We're defaulting to some sort of non-POSIX mode" he laid out the argument from the beginning, rationalized it, and introduced a "POSIX Mode" flag. [22:41] DaemonFC That you could set in scripts or even start BASH with. [22:41] phanes let's call it what it is: big-endian energy [22:41] DaemonFC This change to glibc is more like a terrorist attack. [22:41] Ariadne well, there are reasons to run in BE on servers rather than LE [22:41] Ariadne for example, network stacks run faster [22:41] phanes that aren't legacy compatibility related? [22:41] DaemonFC DT_HASH was removed with no warning and there's no override to make it come back. [22:42] Ariadne all of TCP/IP is big-endian, on LE it has to flip the byte order, and that does have overhead [22:42] Ariadne though these days it probably doesn't matter [22:43] DaemonFC Ariadne, Yes, speaking of Apple, their design decisions are just all over the place. Like when they made an incompatible version of AIFF for absolutely no reason instead of just flipping the byte order on playback on x86 systems. [22:43] phanes im just saying big blue doesn't try to destroy people, they try to make money. big red tried to destroy people. [22:43] DaemonFC And the way they did it, by abusing AIFF-C. [22:43] DaemonFC They claim the file is a compressed AIFF, but it's not. [22:44] DaemonFC Inside, there's a pseudo-compressed version with a different magic number, which has the byte order reversed, and is otherwise a normal AIFF file buried inside an AIFF file like some sort of crazy Inception bullshit. [22:44] DaemonFC I recall running into one of these fucking things on Linux right after Apple did that. [22:45] DaemonFC And the player couldn't make sense of it and told me the file was corrupt. [22:45] Ariadne redhat tried to destroy whom, exactly [22:45] Ariadne (seriously, i don't know anything about this) [22:46] Ariadne DaemonFC: i think mach-o is a better format than ELF in a lot of ways though [22:46] DaemonFC mjg59_, is on his shitter calling for CrimeFlare to drop something called Kiwi Farms, but curiously not calling on them to deplatform the Taliban. [22:47] Ariadne for example, it does not have `.strtab` [22:47] DaemonFC Curiouser and curiouser. [22:47] Ariadne DaemonFC: kiwifarms is a doxing site that targets queer people and especially queer children [22:47] Ariadne just, you know, for reference [22:47] DaemonFC So they should be raided by the FBI, which Crimeflare also hosts. [22:47] DaemonFC ;) [22:48] Ariadne besides, kiwifarms seems very offline all day [22:48] DaemonFC I don't think that Crimeflare should be in control of who they shut down, I think the government is asleep at the switch and Mr. GULAG is calling on the wrong people to shut down Kiwi Farms. [22:48] loner dietlibc only supports static linking; yet the ASM issue blocks any further effort anyway, with whatever i decided to do [22:49] Ariadne DaemonFC: people are calling on commercial intervention *because* the government is asleep at the switch *and* people are being materially harmed [22:49] DaemonFC "In 2013, American video game developer Chloe Sagal became a Kiwi Farms target after Eurogamer reported Sagal's Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign had been flagged for "suspicious activity". Sagal had raised over $30,000 on the platform for metal poisoning treatment to remove shrapnel from a car accident, but Eurogamer reported that Sagal had actually intended to use the proceeds for sex reassignment surgery. Sagal later died via self-immolation [22:49] DaemonFC on June 19, 2018,[22][23] which several reports attributed to years of harassment from Kiwi Farms." [22:49] DaemonFC Sounds like there were a lot of mental health problems going on here. [22:49] Ariadne yes [22:49] Ariadne they find people [22:49] DaemonFC And lying about what you're raising money for is criminal fraud. [22:49] Ariadne who are having mental health issues [22:50] Ariadne and then dox and harass them [22:50] loner i mean, dietlibc+toybox statically compiled/linked with a tcc-toolchain... that would be another test-run, if... [22:50] DaemonFC If true, of course, being dead kind of means nobody will ever investigate that allegation. [22:50] Ariadne DaemonFC: regardless, it is not the place of The Internet(tm) to be vigilante investigators [22:51] DaemonFC Gonad the Barbarian's wife Anita used to go around Huntington with a collection jar saying she was raising money for the medical bills of a young child who was the victim of a car accident. [22:51] Ariadne anyway [22:51] DaemonFC And there was no child and it became one more thing the local police busted her ass for. [22:51] loner i would re-integrate an entire distribution from scratch, if... the ASM problem could be solved [22:51] DaemonFC Every town's got a few of these people. [22:51] DaemonFC Probably even mjg59_'s hometown. [22:51] loner yet, i am not willing to lock against GNU binutils (or whatever LLVM does) [22:51] loner and i am not willing to lock against x86 either [22:52] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR] mentioned that I've been repeatedly traumatized. Many people have had it so much worse, I mean. I could have had it so much worse. [22:52] DaemonFC You go back a generation or two.... [22:52] DaemonFC There were people who got drafted and ended up in Vietnam, or Korea. [22:53] DaemonFC That's trauma. [22:53] loner hence, currently, i proceed with some cleanup tasks, and freeze at gcc47/binutils-2.22, no more toolchain upgrades [22:53] DaemonFC That was a great and terrible evil. [22:53] loner another minor task, removal of libtoolize from the build system, slibtool fully replaced libtool already, except for some clutter inside gentoo-portage calling libtool, which i'll remove next [22:53] Ariadne hmm, interesting. 1776 Hosting ASN is now withdrawn for all announcements. maybe that means fiberhub did get a court order to shut it down. [22:53] DaemonFC All because of some dueling economic systems. [22:54] loner without libtool, i think there isn't any dependency against /bin/bash remaining [22:54] DaemonFC The trauma it inflicted on the people that went is only half the picture. They have people like my dad who didn't even go and those are the people who support war. [22:54] DaemonFC People who figure out ways to not go. [22:55] loner i too removed all GNU gettext already, as build-dep and run-dep... not sure what it was, gettext had to be removed [22:55] phanes Ariadne, its absolutely the place of the internet to be vigilante investigators [22:55] loner then, i had to downgrade to perl 5.8.6 too, to compile/link with arm-tcc... there isn't any excess perl dependencies remaining anymore either [22:55] Ariadne phanes: in some cases, but i don't think doxing children is included in that [22:55] phanes court rooms are just one place justice is prone to be found, but its not foolproof and things slip through the cracks [22:56] Ariadne or swatting [22:56] Ariadne documenting things is journalism, swatting people is not [22:56] phanes no of course not [22:56] phanes none of that is okay [22:56] phanes and thepeople who do it need to become famous [22:57] Ariadne i guess what i am saying is that what kiwifarms does is not legitimate investigative reporting [22:57] DaemonFC This debt forgiveness is a slap in my face. [22:57] DaemonFC Not just the people who paid back their loans. [22:57] DaemonFC It's also a slap in my face. I was told if I went I'd rack up all kinds of debt at horrible interest rates with no guarantees, and planned according to that. And now these people get a free pass but I'd still have to pay if I went. [22:57] phanes what debt forgiveness [22:57] DaemonFC "student loan forgiveness" [22:57] Ariadne hasn't passed yet [22:57] DaemonFC Vote them out! [22:57] DaemonFC That's it goddamn it. That's it. [22:58] Ariadne what is "it" [22:58] phanes no way, i want relief from a predatory system that exploited my desire to better myself in my youth [22:58] DaemonFC Fucking freeloaders. [22:59] Ariadne DaemonFC: if they forgave the debt and gave you credit for your payments, would you be happy [22:59] DaemonFC No! [22:59] phanes if college were priced affordably it would be different -- its like medical, you should be able to just walk into a college or a hospital and get your brain or heart upgraded [22:59] DaemonFC I want the same deal they got! [22:59] phanes same for mental health services [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 10.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 84.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 122.66 [22:59] DaemonFC $20,000 credit towards if I go to school now. [22:59] Ariadne DaemonFC: yes, that is what i am saying, you paid your student loans off, so you get $20k off on your taxes [22:59] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [22:59] DaemonFC I didn't have any loans. [22:59] DaemonFC If I took on new ones today, I'd have to pay them all back. ● Aug 24 [23:00] phanes then take your privileged ass to a wealth management firm instead [23:00] DaemonFC These people get freebies because the Democrats are about to lose the election. [23:00] Ariadne are they [23:00] Ariadne i feel like the other guys tried to violently overthrow the government, and that probably isn't going to reflect well in the polls [23:00] DaemonFC The Democrats are definitely going to lose the House. [23:00] Ariadne i mean, it was only live on television [23:00] DaemonFC The Senate is 50/50. [23:01] DaemonFC Biden is less popular than Trump. [23:01] phanes Special K saves the day: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/unix-legend-who-owes-us-nothing-keeps-fixing-foundational-awk-code/ [23:01] TR Bot Unix legend, who owes us nothing, keeps fixing foundational AWK code | Ars Technica [23:01] Ariadne i know somebody who wrote an irc bot in awk [23:01] DaemonFC In 2024, I think Biden will either announce he's not running or lose to Trump if he does. [23:01] phanes >i feel like the other guys tried to violently overthrow the government, and that probably isn't going to reflect well in the polls | this [23:01] DaemonFC People have had enough of this hyperinflation and losing their jobs and $6 gas and grocery bills and rent going up 50% in two years. [23:02] DaemonFC Nobody wants this government to continue unless they're so on the dole that they don't pay for anything anyway. [23:02] phanes had enough? no, no, no. its going to get way worse [23:02] loner DaemonFC: energy prices in USA are ridiculously cheap still [23:02] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [23:02] DaemonFC Or so rich that they see the problems as a trifling nuisance. [23:02] DaemonFC mjg59_ probably isn't affected too much. [23:03] DaemonFC San Francisco was already expensive as all hell to begin with. [23:03] phanes we're looking at venezuela level inflation potentially if we're not careful [23:03] DaemonFC If you're living there, you obviously don't care about money. [23:03] phanes ole ariadne's gonna be selling paper dolls made out of 1000 dollar bills off the curb to buy groceries [23:04] phanes if they don't hike interest rates i mean [23:04] Ariadne phanes: i have 1 million dollar bills [23:04] Ariadne from zimbabwe [23:04] Ariadne :D [23:04] phanes Ariadne, what is that, like 5 USD [23:04] Ariadne not even [23:04] Ariadne it is like $0.10 [23:04] phanes lol [23:04] DaemonFC So far the only program we've qualified for under Biden is the Affordable Community Broadband. [23:04] DaemonFC And even then, only because our income for the entire year was like $200 below the cutoff. [23:05] Ariadne means-testing is bullshit [23:05] DaemonFC Meanwhile, everyone else gets $20,000 of student loan forgiveness. [23:05] Ariadne not everyone else [23:05] Ariadne everyone who made less than $100k [23:05] DaemonFC $1000 a month in food stamps. [23:05] DaemonFC Free rent. [23:05] Ariadne both of these are false [23:05] phanes i love how the world's 1% mostly still qualify for debt forgiveness because we're basing it off bookable income [23:06] Ariadne god bless the 83(b) election [23:06] phanes the truly rich don't make more than 20k a year [23:06] DaemonFC Part of the reason we qualified for the Affordable Community Broadband was because I stuffed so much money in Mandy's 401(k) to take advantage of the other tax credits. [23:06] Ariadne this income isn't real, it's *speculative* [23:06] DaemonFC And that all comes out pre-tax, so it doesn't reflect on the Total Income line, which is what they use for programs. [23:07] DaemonFC You really can't afford not to fund your 401(k) if you're lower to lower middle income. [23:07] Ariadne lol? how much are you making where maxing out your 401(k) contribution lets you get tax credits [23:07] DaemonFC If you stuff a lot of money in it you can actually get pretty much all of it back through the tax code or something somewhere else, AND the retirement money is still yours to keep. [23:08] DaemonFC lol? how much are you making where maxing out your 401(k) contribution lets you get tax credits [23:08] DaemonFC There's some quirks in the tax code. [23:08] DaemonFC This lets us make over $50,000 and only pay the IRS $46 for the entire year in Income Tax. [23:08] Ariadne personal 401(k) contributions are capped at $20,500 [23:08] DaemonFC It's all legal. [23:08] DaemonFC No, maxing the employer match and the SAVERS Credit, Ariadne [23:09] DaemonFC I figured out how to take the SAVERS Credit at the 50% rate. [23:09] DaemonFC It's a good deal. [23:09] phanes my match is like 7k lol [23:09] phanes cant even buy old people diapers for that [23:10] DaemonFC The SAVERS Credit is maxed at $1,000. [23:10] DaemonFC So if you take it at the 50% rate, you have to put $2,000 in your 401(k) to get the full value. [23:10] DaemonFC If it's at the 20% rate, you need to put in $5,000 to get the full value. [23:10] DaemonFC It it's the 10% rate, you need to put in $10,000 to take the full value. [23:11] Ariadne i see [23:11] Ariadne i have a person for this [23:11] DaemonFC But it's a good deal because it cancels out your annual tax debt $1:$1 [23:11] Ariadne one of those wealth management people [23:11] Ariadne a fiduciary [23:11] DaemonFC So last year, we only owed $46 to the IRS in income tax. [23:11] DaemonFC They ended up having to return everything else that was withheld from us. B-) [23:11] Ariadne dunno, sounds like the government is doing you pretty well then [23:12] DaemonFC I find (legal) ways to fuck them. [23:12] Ariadne why are you complaining about benefits programs that are means-tested to far less than $50k pre-tax income [23:12] Ariadne when you only pay $46 in income tax [23:12] *Ariadne shrugs [23:12] *souseksi has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [23:12] DaemonFC Because I think it's funny. The government created most of my problems/. [23:13] DaemonFC Now it can sit back and watch as they pay us more, overall, than I pay them, because of what they did to me. [23:14] DaemonFC Ariadne, I argued in bankruptcy court to discharge most of the fine from the criminal court. [23:14] DaemonFC I successfully argued that all but $75 were "assessments" that were "totally unrelated to punishing me", such as "contributions to police pension funds". [23:15] Ariadne do you feel as if you paid your debt to society, then? [23:15] DaemonFC So the bankruptcy court ripped it up. [23:15] DaemonFC Then I took the discharge letter and a check for $75 to the probation department and she's like "What the fuck is this?". [23:16] DaemonFC Ariadne, I don't care. Fuck em. The difference is what it's costing me to expunge it. [23:16] XRevan86 CrystalMath: My opinion is not the same as the terrible opinion demonstrated in the clips with Russian propagandists. [23:16] DaemonFC Serves them right. [23:16] phanes im considering saving up a year's income, and having a firm pay it to me the next year and living off that, while my paychecks from that year on go to them [23:16] DaemonFC Ariadne, You think I'm some kind of putz that takes shit that people try to dump on me laying down? [23:16] DaemonFC Hell no! [23:16] DaemonFC I'll fight them for the goddamned paper plates! [23:17] Ariadne i don't know what i think [23:17] Ariadne tbh [23:17] DaemonFC (I picked up that saying from an ex who was talking about his divorce proceedings.) [23:18] DaemonFC Ariadne, For a while I was listening to some of those self-help tapes in the car. [23:18] DaemonFC You know the sort, where the person has you repeat affirmations from the tape. [23:18] DaemonFC My favorite of course is "I refuse to be a victim.". [23:18] DaemonFC That's a simple one, but it's a good one. [23:18] DaemonFC When people are taking a shit on you, look in the mirror and say it. "I refuse to be a victim.". [23:18] Ariadne i mean, if neuro-linguistic programming is your jam, i don't judge [23:18] DaemonFC Then do something about it. [23:19] Ariadne NLP is largely bunk though ;) [23:19] DaemonFC Says who? [23:19] MinceR 24 224752 < DaemonFC> You could say Windows runs a lot of programs, that's certainly true. [23:19] MinceR many of them you don't even want, and might not even know about :> [23:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-23.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-08-24.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [23:20] DaemonFC I think the world would be better if more people adopted that mindset. [23:20] DaemonFC "I refuse to be a victim." [23:20] Ariadne DaemonFC: pretty much all modern research psychology [23:20] DaemonFC Because nothing will get better for you when you don't assert yourself and start fixing your own problems and expect someone else will come do it for you if you just keep complaining loudly enough. [23:21] Ariadne the key thing is not the NLP then, but the actual action which follows [23:21] DaemonFC Well, yeah. [23:21] DaemonFC But you need to be in the right frame of mind to accept that. [23:21] Ariadne but again, if it motivates you to take action, then fine ;) [23:21] DaemonFC When disaster happens, you panic, you despair. You do all of these things. [23:22] DaemonFC And then if you're smart, you'll develop the kind of hatred and anger and motivation that pulls you back up out of the sewer. [23:22] Ariadne some do, i do not. i recognize and solve problems proactively. [23:22] phanes I don't [23:22] phanes when disaster strikes I take names [23:23] DaemonFC Anger can be constructive. Depression isn't constructive. [23:23] mjg59_ And assign them to yourself [23:23] phanes I practice forgiveness if it's not life-altering, but once I bite, I never, ever let go until whatever is in my teeth belongs to me. [23:23] DaemonFC Depression gets you stuck in a loop where you don't accomplish any of the things you need to in order to go on and survive. [23:24] DaemonFC Maybe it's unavoidable that you'll be depressed for a while. It's natural. What's unnatural is for it to take over your life and go on for years and years. [23:24] DaemonFC My aunt never broke that cycle after Keith had his crisis play out. [23:24] DaemonFC And look what it did to her. [23:24] phanes Sometimes it takes years. I put it down for months at a time. But I always come back. [23:24] DaemonFC It ruined her beautiful home. [23:24] DaemonFC It led her to spend all of her money escaping into fantasy (Disney vacations). [23:25] DaemonFC If she had drawn a line in the sand and said "I refuse to be a victim." she could have found her way out of that. [23:26] DaemonFC She was a great person. Everyone liked her. Everyone would and could trust her entirely. And she could fight, but she only stood up for other people. Never herself. [23:26] DaemonFC That was her biggest personality flaw. [23:27] phanes mjg59_, speaking of biting, i noticed you got super quiet on twitter today, how come? [23:27] DaemonFC I think on some level, what Keith did destroyed her because she let what alcoholics refer to as "stinking thinking" take over. [23:27] DaemonFC "I'm responsible for his rejection of self." [23:27] DaemonFC "What's wrong with me where I could have driven him to do this?" [23:27] DaemonFC "If he won't stay with me, will anyone?" [23:28] DaemonFC "Stinking thinking" are basically just useless thoughts of self-blame and sorrow. [23:29] mjg59_ phanes: New semester starts today, so I have teaching prep to do [23:30] phanes mjg59_, teaching a course on accountability soon, are we? [23:30] DaemonFC mjg59_, So I'm interested in how you reconcile your opinion that JavaShit is secure with how nation states are using it to attack people. [23:31] DaemonFC Let me go pull up an example for you. [23:31] MinceR 24 234028 < phanes> now project leaders at RH is a different story. theyve done some evil shit. but their parent company is completely agnostic of that whole endeavour. [23:31] DaemonFC https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2019/09/08/webkit-vulnerabilities-facilitate-human-rights-abuses/ [23:32] TR Bot WebKit Vulnerabilities Facilitate Human Rights Abuses Michael Catanzaro's Blog [23:32] loner is there any libc which doesn't contain vendor-specific and GNU gas specific ASM extensions, for easy assembly? [23:32] MinceR rh's behavior did not change when ibm bought rh. [23:32] DaemonFC Oh but it did. [23:32] MinceR ibm even took jimmy allowhurst as their president or something for a while. [23:32] DaemonFC It got even worse. [23:32] MinceR also, ibm assisted nazi germany in implementing the holocaust [23:32] DaemonFC Now they had an unlimited warchest to dump millions of lines of untested shit into systemd every year. [23:32] MinceR and nowadays they presume to educate us about how using words like "master" is evil. [23:32] DaemonFC And watch as it sprang horrible security holes and memory leaks. [23:33] MinceR ibm also taught MICROS~1 how to keep and exploit monopolies [23:33] DaemonFC mjg59_ "This is fine." [23:33] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Full escalation chains to arbitrary code execution are rare and as a result are *extremely* expensive [23:33] MinceR 24 234648 < Ariadne> DaemonFC: i think mach-o is a better format than ELF in a lot of ways though [23:33] MinceR doesn't it have built-in DRM support? [23:33] DaemonFC Remote DNS server can run arbitrary attack code on DNS request via systemd. [23:33] DaemonFC "This is fantastic!" [23:34] DaemonFC DaemonFC: Full escalation chains to arbitrary code execution are rare and as a result are *extremely* expensive [23:34] mjg59_ Which means they're not used against random people - you're going to be explicitly targeted rather than risk burning a hard to replace exploit chain [23:34] DaemonFC Governments have plenty of money to find them and pull off widescale attacks. [23:34] mjg59_ If you're likely to be a target of a state then yes, Javascript should be part of your threat model [23:35] mjg59_ But average people are simply not going to have hostile Javascript used against them in this way [23:35] DaemonFC Isn't it best to just use NoScript and shut down most untrusted script before it's allowed to run? [23:35] loner ^ no. [23:35] DaemonFC If not, why not? [23:36] DaemonFC Even if it doesn't escape and run arbitrary code, it's recording you. [23:36] DaemonFC It's tracking you. [23:36] *phanes thinks "I have a class to teach" might be mjg59_'s version of "I have to return some video tapes." [23:36] DaemonFC It's weighing down your system. [23:36] DaemonFC mjg59_, One of my banks uses 47 scripts from over two dozen domains. [23:36] DaemonFC The only thing you need to run to make the bank work is first party scripts. [23:37] DaemonFC The vast majority are tracking scripts and a session replay company. [23:37] DaemonFC Why do I want this running in my browser? [23:37] DaemonFC Could they move something malicious and run it first-party? Sure. [23:37] TR News Stop treating emails like Web pages... https://www.maketecheasier.com/embed-google-forms-in-email/ [23:37] TR Bot How to Embed a Google Form Into an Email - Make Tech Easier [23:37] loner with some relatively sane browsers lynx/w3m/links etc... it's impossible to do any online banking or shopping [23:37] DaemonFC But it's less likely to run makicious scripts if I block most of the scripts and everything from some other domain. [23:37] DaemonFC *malicious [23:38] loner modern browsers (chrome,webkit,moz,edge) ARE the malicious components themselves [23:38] DaemonFC It's just something else you can throw in front of potential malicious code and drastically reduce the odds that some will run and do bad things. [23:38] loner the only solution to this security hazards it the entire removal of those [23:39] loner anyway, which "free software" libc would you recommend? [23:39] phanes loner, yeah i remember when firefox destroyed itself forever with the Mr. Robot plugin scandal [23:39] DaemonFC I do use text-based browsers and Gemtext proxies for a lot of things. [23:39] DaemonFC Why do I want to run JavaShit from 50 domains and deal with autoplay crap to read the text of a recipe? [23:39] DaemonFC mjg59_, ? [23:39] mjg59_ If you don't want to, don't [23:40] MinceR because it's the "modern" way [23:40] MinceR same reason why you want to boot systemd with uefi [23:40] DaemonFC The Bullshit Web is quite, quite unpleasant. [23:40] MinceR and run gnome on it [23:40] TR News (NEW): Mishi Choudhary Departs SFLC - Software Freedom Law Center https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Mishi_Choudhary_Departs_SFLC_Software_Freedom_Law_Center.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/08/24/Mishi_Choudhary_Departs_SFLC_Software_Freedom_Law_Center.gmi [23:40] TR Bot Tux Machines Mishi Choudhary Departs SFLC - Software Freedom Law Center [23:40] DaemonFC Here, we're going to shove 300 MB of filth down the sewer pipe so you can read 6 KB of text. [23:40] MinceR (or, better yet, just run windows or macos) [23:40] DaemonFC Oh what's that? Comcast charges you per GB? [23:40] DaemonFC SORRRY!!! ;) [23:41] phanes relax this will all be people fighting over food in the strees before you know it, then all your browser woes will be gone [23:41] DaemonFC Basically. [23:41] phanes if we play our cards right i mean [23:41] DaemonFC Comcast allows 1.2 TB of bandwidth per month. [23:41] TR News I Can No Longer Recommend Manjaro Linux - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5KNK3e9ScPo | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/5KNK3e9ScPo [23:41] TR Bot I Can No Longer Recommend Manjaro Linux - Invidious [23:41] DaemonFC I'd rather save that for "other things" than loading 300 MB pages to get at a recipe for pork chops. [23:41] loner with those browsers, systemd etc., at least, solutions do exist, to either remove or replace them [23:42] loner i am not aware of any solution to the libc and ASM problem [23:42] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], ^ [23:42] phanes i am kinda pissed about this systemd-resolvd introduction to fedora 8 years after the fact still [23:42] TR News "Peter Kaminski explains to Doc Searls and Shawn Powers on FLOSS Weekly how Massive Wiki is on its way to beng a prominent movment that combines wiki utility with familiar tools and processes for distributed use online by all users." https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/695 [23:42] TR Bot Massive Wiki [23:42] DaemonFC I'm considering setting up a Gemini Pod as a middle finger to recipe Web sites. [23:42] phanes they symlink /etc/resolv.conf to /run/systemd/... so that if you turn on network manager and turn off systemd-resolved your machine loses connectivity [23:42] DaemonFC Just copy their text down and paste it into a Gemtext page, and sort them by type of food. [23:43] MinceR phanes: you should have noticed by now that this is their general MO [23:43] MinceR you either do everything their way or they try everything in their power to break everything for you [23:43] phanes oh yeah its gnome and wayland in connectivity form [23:43] starstreak (or, better yet, just run windows or macos) <--- so you recommend those OSes over Linux? [23:43] phanes and uefi [23:44] phanes to mjg59_'s credit on that, i dont think he had a malicious strategy, i think he was exploited by an employer as a useful idiot, but I wasn't there, its just from what ive noticed about how he thinks [23:45] MinceR starstreak: no, i recommend them over systemd, to people who believe systemd is a good thing, since those are the paragons of "modern"ity as understood by the systemd cult. [23:45] MinceR phanes: if he was exploited as a useful idiot, he should have realized that by now [23:45] MinceR especially if he's as smart as he likes to think he is. [23:46] phanes sort of like how's been exploited by his current social gathering to make up lies about people with the belief of impunity [23:46] starstreak MinceR, I'd rather have systemd/gnome/linux over windows, windows is trash [23:46] loner i would rather use DOS with MICROS~1 BASIC than either systemd/gnome/windows/max [23:47] starstreak hey loner [23:47] starstreak loner is heureka [23:47] phanes MinceR, should have, yes. But people who get used like that usually get used like that repeatedly by multiple groups. He probably can't denounce any of it without risking a domino effect that completely inverts his situation in irreparable ways. One does have to consider one's legacy. [23:47] MinceR starstreak: in what way is windows trash? [23:47] starstreak MinceR, telemetry, bloat, cost, etc [23:47] MinceR phanes: it's a legacy of shit. he should let it go if he can. [23:48] DaemonFC I don't think he's a useful idiot. [23:48] DaemonFC If he was useful they wouldn't have shown him out. [23:48] starstreak mincer: i know you run windows for gaming, but some of us trust proton/steam more than windows [23:48] MinceR starstreak: systemd/gnome/linux has most of not all of those issues [23:48] phanes I can't describe him as intellectually or socially adept. He'd be a prime target for the types of users we have to really worry about. [23:48] MinceR starstreak: i don't trust my important systems with games [23:48] MinceR they aren't built to be secure [23:48] MinceR s/st of/st if/ [23:49] phanes The intelligent don't get twitter brain. [23:50] starstreak MinceR, i use gnome with dash to panel because it resembles windows 8, my favourite windows version [23:50] MinceR starstreak: ah, so you like trash [23:50] starstreak windows 10 is better than 7, not better than 8, but they're all trash [23:50] starstreak i would run macOS if i could too [23:50] loner the problem isn't GNU/FSF/GNOME tailor some "free software" for the consumerist crowd [23:50] loner problem is, GNU lost me [23:51] loner anyway, which "free software" libc would you recommend? [23:51] phanes if you dont believe in gnu then gnu probably dont believe in you bub [23:55] MinceR gnu is probably on the way out anyway [23:55] MinceR they've capitulated to systemd [23:56] loner systemd isn't the problem, systemd can be removed/replaced, relatively easy. [23:56] loner with this at least, "freedom of choice" remained [23:57] *psymin_ has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:57] MinceR distros already had problems replacing it [23:57] MinceR and ibm/rh is digging in, making it more difficult [23:58] MinceR meanwhile the fsf overwhelmingly recommends distros that force systemd on their users [23:59] loner which isn't a problem, as long as "freedom of choice" remains [23:59] loner with any later than gcc47 and binutils gas assembly, there isn't any at all, free choice