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| Chaekyung | schestowitz: I did not realize you're into Mamamoo | Oct 24 00:13 |
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| Chaekyung | I don't think Dingga is anywhere near as good as Starry Night https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0FB2EoKTK_Q | Oct 24 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0FB2EoKTK_Q ) | Oct 24 00:14 | |
| Chaekyung | I think it's overrated | Oct 24 00:14 |
| Chaekyung | I know that's a unpopular opinion but Starry Night is, in my opinion, on a whole other level both musically and vocally | Oct 24 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Chaekyung: I'm not | Oct 24 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Woolim is better | Oct 24 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Lovelyz etc. | Oct 24 00:18 |
| Chaekyung | yeah Lovelyz is great group, I'm specially found of Kei, she's so talented and gorgeous https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSYcOVo4Hp8 | Oct 24 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-[Kei - I Go] Solo Debut Stage | M COUNTDOWN 191010 EP.638 - YouTube | Oct 24 00:20 | |
| schestowitz | They base a lot of their sound engineering on 8-bit nintendo games | Oct 24 00:20 |
| schestowitz | or sega/sonic | Oct 24 00:21 |
| schestowitz | but it becomes repetitive | Oct 24 00:21 |
| schestowitz | like western pop | Oct 24 00:21 |
| schestowitz | they can't find their way out of reusing recipes for success | Oct 24 00:22 |
| schestowitz | so then you have the britney effect | Oct 24 00:22 |
| schestowitz | same song, small variations, different lyrics, album causes group to collapse, ejection from label | Oct 24 00:22 |
| schestowitz | and they they start licensing western compositions | Oct 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | like "hush", "wow" (kylie) | Oct 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | but in hangul | Oct 24 00:23 |
| schestowitz | now compare all the "dupes" in their tracks (with only slight variations and lyrics) and then the whole thing is on short shelf life really... I've moved on to Portuguese music | Oct 24 00:24 |
| schestowitz | bossa nova is also rather repetitive | Oct 24 00:25 |
| schestowitz | but nowhere as bad as today's British "pop"... they call that "music" | Oct 24 00:25 |
| smnthermes | > [19:38:30] schestowitz: so they might figure out only your ip | Oct 24 00:40 |
| smnthermes | Enable "proxy videos" in settings | Oct 24 00:40 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see you covered wine, Chaekyung | Oct 24 00:42 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143590 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e934c904-b6ab-40eb-9273-92b1e18e62c3] | Oct 24 00:56 | |
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| Chaekyung | schestowitz: I've got the impression you're a fan of github? https://linuxreviews.org/Recording_Industry_Association_of_America_Gets_Youtube-dl_Kicked_Off_GitHub | Oct 24 01:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Recording Industry Association of America Gets Youtube-dl Kicked Off GitHub - LinuxReviews | Oct 24 01:10 | |
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| schestowitz | Chaekyung: it's covered | Oct 24 01:21 |
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| schestowitz | Chaekyung: | Oct 24 01:31 |
| schestowitz | bsdlab@tutanota.com wrote on 24/10/2020 01:25: | Oct 24 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > If the FSF doesn't make a stink about this, I may never speak of them | Oct 24 01:31 |
| schestowitz | > again. This is getting ridiculous. | Oct 24 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Re: Youtube-dl | Oct 24 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | > Joe Biden was senator when DMCA passed, incidentally. | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > Repository unavailable due to DMCA takedown. | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > This repository is currently disabled due to a DMCA takedown notice. We | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > have disabled public access to the repository. The notice has been | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > publicly posted | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > <https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2020/10/2020-10-23-RIAA.md>. | Oct 24 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dmca/2020-10-23-RIAA.md at master · github/dmca · GitHub | Oct 24 01:32 | |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > If you are the repository owner, and you believe that your repository | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > was disabled as a result of mistake or misidentification, you have the | Oct 24 01:32 |
| schestowitz | > right to file a counter notice and have the repository reinstated. | Oct 24 01:32 |
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| oiaohm | That youtube-dl is a classic example of a single point of failure. | Oct 24 02:16 |
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| scientes | oiaohm, lots of forks, single point of failure | Oct 24 05:32 |
| scientes | oiaohm, more like github is a classic example of a single point of failure | Oct 24 05:32 |
| scientes | and completely different from what git was designed to do | Oct 24 05:32 |
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| Chaekyung | There's an additional lession to be learned which I pointed out in the end of my little article nobody's going to read.. | Oct 24 06:17 |
| Chaekyung | Their website. | Oct 24 06:17 |
| Chaekyung | It's hosted on it's own domain on a server in Germany. | Oct 24 06:17 |
| Chaekyung | But _all_ the links from the front page of it go to... github.io | Oct 24 06:17 |
| Chaekyung | so.. even though they have their own website it's basically gone/useless now. | Oct 24 06:17 |
| schestowitz | hear hear | Oct 24 07:07 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: and Chaekyung and schestowitz with youtube-dl there are more than 1 location with the data. youtube-dl has updated their site so it kind of works again but its still done with single point of failure. Now for the downloads its now openmandriva.org | Oct 24 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Basically before the DCMA there is over 100 sites with full git mirrors. So their website could have been done so github disappears and site auto redirected to one of the mirrors zero distruption. | Oct 24 10:39 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s #HowTos | #UNIX | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143595 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a3fe0074-09ad-4a2e-85fc-1410d527b570] | Oct 24 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | Prediction: #RIAA or another wing of #MAFIAA will label #curl a “piracy” tool and pressure to ban it from #github (causing chaos and disarray for developers, like the YouTube-DL case). #deletegithub and put git on your new server, @bagder (regain >control< over the project). #sweden has notably strong protections. | Oct 24 11:11 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Single Points of Failure and Proprietary Entrapment (Microsoft GitHub) | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143596 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1288f35d-0d59-459b-b3b2-f5ced09ba874] | Oct 24 11:17 | |
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| schestowitz | https://robertreich.org/post/632789982535368704\ | Oct 24 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-robertreich.org | Robert Reich | Oct 24 11:40 | |
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| zoobab | since the first day developers said Git was "distributed", it became "centralized" again | Oct 24 13:53 |
| zoobab | time for censorship resistant protocols | Oct 24 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Except git was not designed from the get go to be 100 percent distributed. | Oct 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | zoobab: True p2p git options lots of them have horrible defects https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/git-p2p-compared.html | Oct 24 14:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ctrl.blog | Four P2P distribution tools for Git repositories compared | Oct 24 14:01 | |
| zoobab | what they were calling "distributed" was their way to see "it's an improvrement over SVN" | Oct 24 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Thing is git from the start had the idea of a central server that everyone would be getting the current branch from. | Oct 24 14:07 |
| oiaohm | distributed in the since you could have your own local working copy and share your own working copy. | Oct 24 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Really git at least need to be modifed that you can tag more than one upstream URL. | Oct 24 14:09 |
| zoobab | "Your repository is deleted when IPFS runs GC." | Oct 24 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Yep that a mega bug that makes the current maintained p2p git solutions basically useless. | Oct 24 14:10 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: what to use instead? | Oct 24 15:08 |
| schestowitz | we use git locally on the techrights server | Oct 24 15:08 |
| schestowitz | but that would not be decentralised either | Oct 24 15:08 |
| schestowitz | just "Self-hosted" | Oct 24 15:09 |
| schestowitz | CVS and SVN are no better | Oct 24 15:09 |
| schestowitz | I have used both over the years | Oct 24 15:09 |
| schestowitz | among others.. | Oct 24 15:09 |
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| inky | from cory doctorow: https://onezero.medium.com/how-to-destroy-surveillance-capitalism-8135e6744d59 | Oct 24 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-onezero.medium.com | How to Destroy Surveillance Capitalism, a New Book by Cory Doctorow | OneZero | Oct 24 17:47 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/riaa-blitz-takes-down-18-github-projects-used-for-downloading-youtube-videos/ | Oct 24 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RIAA blitz takes down 18 GitHub projects used for downloading YouTube videos | ZDNet | Oct 24 18:52 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | No court review. No pushback from Microsoft. | Oct 24 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you host on Github, which has a track record of deleting many projects just because someone left a spurious legal complaint, your program might be next. | Oct 24 18:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They actually want worse laws than this, even though this one set up a "legal framework" that is entirely outside the courts where one company complains about you and another just says okay and deletes you from the internet. | Oct 24 18:58 |
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| MinceR | no rule of law | Oct 24 19:03 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/696520.jpg | Oct 24 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | скоты! | Oct 24 19:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 24 19:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they already put DRM in Vista | Oct 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | without pushback | Oct 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | there was a big lawsuit over copyright prior to that | Oct 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | MAFIAA could never easily kill FreeSW | Oct 24 19:19 |
| schestowitz | but without github they have the thing centralised, which streamlines DMCAing | Oct 24 19:20 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Android Leftovers | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143607 [https://pleroma.site/objects/95a6c251-e0fa-49f4-a140-555c64e7ae34] | Oct 24 20:37 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Kernel: Fedora Test Week for Kernel 5.9, Important Fix and Linux 5.10 Work | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143608 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e0e8f974-5c2b-4f6b-a9a0-e54944bc56f5] | Oct 24 20:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat/Oracle/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143609 [https://pleroma.site/objects/279f99c0-5db5-4d8c-814f-70652548bacd] | Oct 24 20:51 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Does the Snap Store Use Too Much Memory? | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143610 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a0ebe291-eff2-4d47-9524-22974f08f56c] | Oct 24 20:58 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Benchmarks and Graphics Leftovers: x86, Zink, and Navi | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143611 [https://pleroma.site/objects/86d9117d-9fec-41ac-8800-adecc5fc0598] | Oct 24 21:20 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Debian Janitor: Hosters used by Debian packages | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143612 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc5fc65d-278b-4b14-b6e8-d438f03181a9] | Oct 24 21:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: ’This was bigger than GNOME and bigger than just this case.’ GNOME Foundation exec director talks patent trolls and much, much more | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143613 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f0545482-3677-439b-a5c9-6fbd8a1fcf12] | Oct 24 21:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming: Leftovers | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143614 [https://pleroma.site/objects/dd0bcbc1-95bf-448e-9800-0e27bb241fb7] | Oct 24 21:40 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s Tux Mach Today’s Tux Machines Leftovers | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143615ines Leftovers | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143615 [https://pleroma.site/objects/22f9d44c-10de-4b3e-a8f3-32cd8fd92db5] | Oct 24 22:03 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today’s Tux Machines Leftovers | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143615 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bc5f26b3-817e-4a4d-814f-356e2f2a8b45] | Oct 24 22:04 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 24/10/2020: GDB 10.1, Kodachi 7.4, Wine 5.20 http://techrights.org/2020/10/24/gdb-10-1/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b07813c2-e3bb-4f6e-9f29-21113742fc14] | Oct 24 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | zoobab: "It is rumored that said complaint in Belgium was manufactured by copy & paste from publicly available third-party work. Let’s hope they are smart enough not to try the same in Germany. Legal ramifications could be serious." | Oct 24 22:15 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a threat LOL | Oct 24 22:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Announcing the new Ubuntu Community Council | Tux Machines ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/143616 [https://pleroma.site/objects/53adfa58-f5b5-4203-a56b-63da44fb1bc2] | Oct 24 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2020/10/24/announcing-the-new-ubuntu-community-council-2/ | Oct 24 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fridge.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu Fridge | Announcing the new Ubuntu Community Council | Oct 24 22:36 | |
| schestowitz | "Erich Eichmeyer" | Oct 24 22:36 |
| schestowitz | lol | Oct 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | go Vista | Oct 24 22:37 |
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| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/351 | Oct 24 23:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Even Freakier Friday - Existential Comics | Oct 24 23:39 | |
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| vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I see you've lampooned GitHub again in http://techrights.org/2020/10/23/delete-github-reasons/ | Oct 24 23:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Embrace, Extend, and Extensions: Two New Reasons to Delete GitHub, Which Microsoft Ruined for Everyone (Except the Copyright Cartel and Other Censors) | Techrights | Oct 24 23:54 | |
| vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Funny, a few days ago I was trying to look up something in the GitHub GraphQL v4 API docs and the documentation wasn't loading at all. | Oct 24 23:55 |
| schestowitz | there are many issues | Oct 24 23:56 |
| schestowitz | and much anger now | Oct 24 23:56 |
| vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | I don't use it personally | Oct 24 23:56 |
| schestowitz | going beyond us, well beyond us | Oct 24 23:56 |
| schestowitz | you use it | Oct 24 23:56 |
| vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | All my projects are rsynced to local backup drives | Oct 24 23:56 |
| schestowitz | vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx: you use stuff from it | Oct 24 23:56 |
| schestowitz | so you cannot just ignore it | Oct 24 23:56 |
| vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | It was work I was doing for a third party | Oct 24 23:57 |
| vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Any sane person wouldn't have a hard dependency on GitHub after the takeover | Oct 24 23:57 |
| vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | Maybe they just wanted to grab a bunch of free code and shove it in those code storage container things | Oct 24 23:58 |
| MinceR | this planet is covered in insane people though | Oct 24 23:58 |
| schestowitz | true | Oct 24 23:59 |
| schestowitz | and... | Oct 24 23:59 |
| vZS1aHdksSQKx2tx | There's a lack of good project maintainers, so people flock to GitHub. I can kind of see the appeal. You barely need to know anything about Git or release engineering to get a public project running. | Oct 24 23:59 |
| schestowitz | you must sometimes collaborate with them | Oct 24 23:59 |
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