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● Nov 24
[00:00]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: On Safety Razors and Technology su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144695 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd4d675c-292c-4250-80a2-4b90d8d16d27]
[00:00]	DaemonFC[m]	The Biden Administration needs to reverse that immediately by working with the Russian government to agree to restore the terms of the treaties, if possible.
[00:00]	MinceR	i doubt that will ever work
[00:00]	MinceR	who'd be stupid enough to trust putler to not violate nuclear treaties after he's violated the Budapest Memorandum?
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[00:01]	DaemonFC[m]	At least we avoided Trump's crackpot second term ideas, like going back to nuking ourselves to make sure they work. :)
[00:01]	schestowitz	Ariadne: pleroma mentioned in  http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144695
[00:01]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | On Safety Razors and Technology | Tux Machines
[00:02]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: ICBMs are a ridiculous idea that are part of an outdated defense posture.
[00:02]	MinceR	what's the replacement?
[00:02]	DaemonFC[m]	It's like battleships in a modern Navy, where they cost a ton and don't actually serve a purpose.
[00:03]	DaemonFC[m]	SLBMs.
[00:03]	schestowitz	MinceR: subs
[00:03]	MinceR	can the russian empire afford those?
[00:03]	schestowitz	seems DaemonFC[m] beat me to it
[00:04]	schestowitz	I didn't know this acronym
[00:04]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine-launched_ballistic_missile
[00:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Submarine-launched ballistic missile - Wikipedia
[00:04]	schestowitz	those are very simplea
[00:04]	schestowitz	and some subs can enrich and make those in-house
[00:04]	schestowitz	so they're 'self-sufficient' at killing lots of people
[00:04]	schestowitz	by setting off nuclear reactions
[00:04]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, it's a nasty surprise that you can't pull off a first strike against.
[00:05]	schestowitz	takes only seconds from trigger to impact
[00:05]	DaemonFC[m]	They just pull up, fire them, and that's it, and you don't need this ridiculous anti-ballistic missile stuff because it's already too late.
[00:05]	schestowitz	I think it's like 10 minutes for the large ballistic ones
[00:05]	schestowitz	for them to go up, accelerate, then down
[00:05]	schestowitz	they're incredibly fast only at their last phase
[00:05]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, 10 minute launch cycle, give or take.
[00:06]	schestowitz	like 17000km/hr
[00:06]	schestowitz	iirc
[00:06]	schestowitz	all that 'missle defense system' is crackpot shit
[00:06]	schestowitz	companies that offer is are grifting
[00:06]	schestowitz	you can overwhelm them with fakes
[00:06]	DaemonFC[m]	Speaking of crockpot.....
[00:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Tonight I'm making bison chili.
[00:08]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: They have the "I was just in the middle of a lovely brunch." GIF on the Samsung keyboard from SG-1.
[00:08]	DaemonFC[m]	Ba'al: "IMPUDENCE!" O'Neill: "No....tuna.".
[00:09]	MinceR	:>
[00:09]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Then there was the minor spat with China on Bush's way out.
[00:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Wherein we competed with each other in the "Blowing up our own satellites with $3 million missiles" department.
[00:10]	DaemonFC[m]	But, nothing of the sort of international damage Trump has done.
[00:11]	DaemonFC[m]	If Biden wants to stimulate the economy, he's going to have to untangle this tariff mess at this point.
[00:11]	DaemonFC[m]	That was already causing the economy to sputter even before the collapse-o-virus.
[00:11]	DaemonFC[m]	It would provide immediate relief across the board.
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Of course, no guarantee it would help.
[00:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Now that retailers have gotten people used to paying more, they could just decide to pocket it.
[00:12]	superkuh	The only thing Trump did right was being hard on China. The problem was he alienated the rest of asia at the same time.
[00:13]	schestowitz	"choiyna"
[00:13]	MinceR	jyna
[00:13]	schestowitz	lol
[00:14]	schestowitz	nice name... for a girl
[00:15]	MinceR	if twitler was so hard on "jyna", why did he have products made there?
[00:15]	schestowitz	but seeing how cheeto speaks of ivanka, he's say "fuck jyna"
[00:15]	schestowitz	MinceR: also Mexico
[00:15]	schestowitz	China and Mexico
[00:15]	schestowitz	and still, with low-cost labour, 6 bankrupcies
[00:15]	CrystalMath	superkuh: also he resolved a decades old conflict between Serbia and Kosovo
[00:16]	CrystalMath	we still have a lake Trump, named after him
[00:16]	schestowitz	and unlicensed maids working for him
[00:16]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: is that what he calls the piss puddle at the hotel room?
[00:16]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: no it's an actual lake in my country
[00:17]	schestowitz	ok, when you are done slashing
[00:17]	schestowitz	make sure to deflate your garden pool
[00:17]	schestowitz	it's no lake
[00:17]	schestowitz	*splashing
[00:17]	CrystalMath	what the heck are you talking about?
[00:18]	schestowitz	there are places called after many horrible people
[00:18]	schestowitz	inc. stalin and lenin in russia
[00:18]	schestowitz	doesn't mean jack
[00:18]	CrystalMath	it has an area of 12 square kilometers
[00:19]	CrystalMath	i suppose it's not that big
[00:19]	CrystalMath	but still
[00:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Comments sections are finally cleared up. Most of the trolls are gone.
[00:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Someone called Trump the $750 Man though which was mildly amusing. 
[00:25]	DaemonFC[m]	I wonder how that guy on WISH-TV's Facebook page that was posting GIFs of a "Trump Train" to drown out intelligible conversation is doing. 
[00:30]	schestowitz	Trump Train Wreck
[00:31]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: it's a political stunt https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/kosovo-serbia-donald-trump-deal-lake-ujamn-b597152.html
[00:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Kosovo and Serbia could name lake after Trump | The Independent
[00:31]	DaemonFC[m]	"Do I know any good lawyers? No. But I do know Rudy Giuliani." -Mr. Garrison as Trump on South Park
[00:32]	schestowitz	te
[00:32]	schestowitz	they can undo this stupidity
[00:32]	schestowitz	they could rename it lake COVID
[00:32]	schestowitz	because it's synonymous with the Trump regime now
[00:33]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: Trump has done a lot to help us
[00:33]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: if the US election happened here in serbia, Trump would win with a landslide
[00:33]	CrystalMath	remember what Biden said about us?
[00:34]	CrystalMath	https://www.anti-empire.com/joe-biden-1993-serbs-are-illiterate-degenerates/
[00:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Joe Biden, 1993: Serbs Are Illiterate Degenerates Anti-Empire
[00:34]	CrystalMath	remember what happened when Joe Biden visited? there were protests
[00:34]	schestowitz	you are a covid denier
[00:34]	CrystalMath	i'm not a covid denier
[00:34]	schestowitz	you don't help your national image
[00:34]	schestowitz	you are
[00:34]	schestowitz	minimiser
[00:34]	CrystalMath	no, i'm just saying it like it is
[00:34]	schestowitz	you deny the severity of it
[00:34]	CrystalMath	i rounded UP the number of deaths
[00:35]	CrystalMath	it's actually only 1.4 million or something
[00:35]	schestowitz	or worse,  you advocate mass death
[00:35]	CrystalMath	this is not massive
[00:35]	schestowitz	as if you actual goal is to get many people killed
[00:35]	CrystalMath	there's 7.7 billion people
[00:35]	schestowitz	it's a very dangerous idealogy
[00:35]	schestowitz	and you read unabomber screeds
[00:35]	CrystalMath	like i said, covid cannot be the thing that will help us with our population problem
[00:35]	CrystalMath	it simply has no capacity
[00:35]	CrystalMath	to any degree
[00:35]	CrystalMath	so the whole point is moot
[00:35]	schestowitz	overpopulation is a thing and that can be tackled by reduction in birth rates, voluntarily
[00:36]	CrystalMath	absolutely, that's what i advocate
[00:36]	schestowitz	my wife and I chose a long time ago to not reproduce
[00:36]	schestowitz	and I know many couples that decided the same
[00:36]	CrystalMath	a voluntary reduction of birth rate
[00:36]	CrystalMath	i decided to not have children, though i'm not a couple
[00:36]	CrystalMath	but my decision is final
[00:36]	schestowitz	covid is agony and pain
[00:36]	schestowitz	you separate people from friends and family for good
[00:37]	CrystalMath	what do you mean?
[00:37]	schestowitz	and if that's not painting Serbs as cruel...
[00:37]	CrystalMath	you mean by people dying?
[00:37]	CrystalMath	or lockdown crap?
[00:37]	schestowitz	https://i.imgflip.com/1gnf9n.jpg
[00:37]	schestowitz	"remove kebab" song
[00:37]	schestowitz	like a celebration of genocide
[00:38]	schestowitz	and comparing people to cooked lamb
[00:38]	CrystalMath	what?
[00:38]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remove_Kebab
[00:38]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Remove Kebab - Wikipedia
[00:38]	schestowitz	"Remove Kebab is a phrase that originated in the online community surrounding a Serb nationalist and anti-Muslim propaganda music video[1] from the Yugoslav Wars.[2][3][4][5] The phrase has spread globally amongst Neo-Nazi groups and the alt-right as a meme which references and advocates for the ethnic cleansing of Muslims.[2][3][6] "
[00:38]	schestowitz	Maybe Biden saw shit like this
[00:39]	CrystalMath	https://genius.com/Zeljko-grmusa-karadzic-lead-your-serbs-serbia-strong-lyrics
[00:39]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eljkoGrmua Karadi, Lead Your Serbs / Serbia Strong Lyrics | Genius Lyrics
[00:39]	CrystalMath	i can translate these lyrics to you
[00:39]	CrystalMath	there's no talk of kebabs
[00:40]	CrystalMath	there's a stanza comparing serbian separatists to wolves
[00:40]	CrystalMath	it's meant in a positive light of course as this song was in favor of krajina separating from croatia
[00:41]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetolik_Dragaevac
[00:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Svetolik Dragaevac - Wikipedia
[00:41]	schestowitz	"Dragaevac was arrested by the Gestapo and taken to Belgrade, where he was interrogated. During his interrogation, Dragaevac attributed his authorship of the letter to Serbian nationalist zeal and excessive alcohol consumption"
[00:41]	CrystalMath	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm
[00:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Operation Storm - Wikipedia
[00:42]	CrystalMath	this is what they were talking about defending from
[00:42]	CrystalMath	200,000 refugees displaced
[00:47]	schestowitz	Your position on things reaffirms nazi ideology
[00:52]	schestowitz	and your lack or reply is telling
[00:55]	CrystalMath	reply to what?
[00:55]	schestowitz	"Serbia is the only country in which the Jewish question and the Gypsy question has been solved."
[00:55]	schestowitz	Dwork, Debrah; Robert Jan Pelt; Robert Jan Van Pelt (2003), Holocaust: a history, New York, N.Y.: W. W. Norton & Company, p. 184, ISBN 0-393-32524-5
[00:55]	CrystalMath	what!?
[00:55]	CrystalMath	we have lots of jewish people and even more gypsies
[00:55]	schestowitz	not the point
[00:55]	CrystalMath	Croatia sided with the nazis
[00:55]	schestowitz	you advocate getting rid of people
[00:55]	schestowitz	and then blame "nature"
[00:55]	CrystalMath	and if you check their demographics
[00:56]	CrystalMath	i don't advocate getting rid of certain people
[00:56]	CrystalMath	i believe that the entire human race, with its technology, is a threat to the planet
[00:56]	schestowitz	you called yourself antihumanist
[00:56]	CrystalMath	that's not a popular opinion in serbia
[00:56]	CrystalMath	in fact, it would be considered far-left here
[00:56]	schestowitz	the nazis started by killing the "Weak"
[00:56]	schestowitz	disabled people and stuff
[00:56]	schestowitz	Trumpland did the same
[00:57]	CrystalMath	most people in serbia believe that god gave humans the right to rule over all the other creatures
[00:57]	schestowitz	what you believe it is a threat to human beings around you
[00:57]	schestowitz	you advocate spreading covid-19
[00:57]	CrystalMath	and that this god created everyone in 7 days
[00:57]	CrystalMath	spreading covid-19 is absolutely not going to lead to even the slightest dent in the population
[00:57]	schestowitz	that's less harmful than your beliefs
[00:57]	CrystalMath	nor do i advocate it really
[00:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump's presidency was so bad that not only did he cost 12 million people whatever health insurance they had leading up to this, but you couldn't find a goddamned bottle of hand sanitizer for almost 5 months in.
[00:58]	DaemonFC[m]	We saw every grocery store in America get totally wiped clean for the first time in my life.
[00:58]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: maybe from a human-centric viewpoint
[00:58]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: clean your hands in a lake Trump
[00:58]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: i advocate for getting rid of the human-centric viewpoint
[00:58]	CrystalMath	the world does not revolve around us
[00:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, I heard about that.
[00:58]	superkuh	And more important than hand sanitizer, 11 months in there's still not N95 mask production enough for even a fragment of the population.
[00:59]	DaemonFC[m]	Mom stashed like 4 of them.
[00:59]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm not going to be the one to say anything about that.
[00:59]	MinceR	"republicans" believe those absurd things too
[00:59]	superkuh	I bought 200 in 2006.
[00:59]	CrystalMath	i know, i argue with them MinceR 
[00:59]	CrystalMath	i dislike the human-centric viewpoint
[00:59]	CrystalMath	you have it too, though, just a different variant
[00:59]	superkuh	I'm starting to run low now though.
[00:59]	DaemonFC[m]	It's everywhere in the facility because some of the employees are a bunch of people who calling them a fucking dumb piece of shit would be high praise.
[00:59]	CrystalMath	humans will save the planet from the sun"
● Nov 24
[01:00]	CrystalMath	you refuse to let logic run its course to the final conclusion...
[01:00]	CrystalMath	if we evolved here through processes which are natural and start with an accident
[01:00]	CrystalMath	there is NO purpose to our lives
[01:00]	CrystalMath	and there is in fact no purpose to our lives
[01:00]	CrystalMath	nihilism wins
[01:00]	CrystalMath	as long as you let logic do its thing
[01:00]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Valve Backs Zink Work su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144696 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c28314de-da76-4da2-9638-6b262d0e0c82]
[01:00]	MinceR	CrystalMath: no, i don't have it
[01:00]	MinceR	and no, i don't think humans will do it
[01:01]	CrystalMath	MinceR: so you agree that there is no purpose to life?
[01:01]	MinceR	humans believe themselves to be oh so intelligent and oh so civilized
[01:01]	MinceR	and if it was true, they could and would do it
[01:01]	CrystalMath	oh
[01:01]	MinceR	but they aren't, and instead they'll kill themselves off and a lot of other lifeforms too, and maybe even sterilize the planet
[01:01]	CrystalMath	then i was wrong about you
[01:01]	MinceR	intelligent beings would be the only chance for this biosphere to live forever, and apparently humans are not it
[01:01]	CrystalMath	but, i don't hate life, in all its cruelty
[01:02]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Walmart got so many Thanksgiving turkeys that they're giving them away with ibotta.
[01:02]	CrystalMath	i accept life (and therefore death) WITH all its cruelty
[01:02]	DaemonFC[m]	It seems like "supplies limited" must be like, all of them.
[01:02]	CrystalMath	even though i sometimes back down on that
[01:02]	CrystalMath	and claim to be an efilist
[01:02]	MinceR	nihilism is not that there is no purpose to our lives, but that everyone gets to decide the purpose of their own life
[01:02]	DaemonFC[m]	It's been ongoing for like 10 days now and the offer is still there.
[01:02]	CrystalMath	but then bounce back
[01:02]	CrystalMath	MinceR: no, that's relativism
[01:02]	CrystalMath	MinceR: nihilism believes in an objective nothing
[01:02]	CrystalMath	but relativism is okay too
[01:02]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: With God as my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. ;)
[01:03]	CrystalMath	my opinion on non-human life changes from the time to time
[01:03]	CrystalMath	according to my mood
[01:03]	DaemonFC[m]	I saw that on Youtube and couldn't stop laughing. 
[01:04]	schestowitz	turkey doesn't give a flying f*
[01:04]	DaemonFC[m]	The one where he drops a bunch of live turkeys out of a plane and they were landing everywhere and the radio station got a bunch of complaints.
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[01:04]	MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_nihilism
[01:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Existential nihilism - Wikipedia
[01:04]	DaemonFC[m]	Who is the British ambassador anyway?
[01:04]	CrystalMath	turkeys can fly to a minimal extent
[01:04]	CrystalMath	but not for long and not high
[01:04]	MinceR	well, those turkeys did fly
[01:04]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: sounds like pricks even worse than the slaughterers
[01:04]	DaemonFC[m]	I always thought it was Mr. Bean.
[01:04]	CrystalMath	MinceR: indeed
[01:04]	MinceR	they were on board a flying plane, after all
[01:05]	vZS1	Gobble gobble. Erdogan. Gobble gobble
[01:05]	schestowitz	like the woman killed in a "hold your piss" contest
[01:05]	DaemonFC[m]	<schestowitz "DaemonFC: sounds like pricks eve"> They didn't really do it, it was a skit. 
[01:05]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: huh?
[01:05]	schestowitz	or the idiots who caused a nurse to commit suicide
[01:05]	schestowitz	by shaming her
[01:05]	CrystalMath	in mexico some people beat up a nurse in a bus
[01:05]	CrystalMath	this year
[01:06]	CrystalMath	because of covid supposedly
[01:06]	DaemonFC[m]	I heard about the hold your piss woman.
[01:06]	schestowitz	mexico is cruel, the drug cartels behead people
[01:06]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I really like Black Mirror.
[01:06]	vZS1	They do a lot worse than beheading
[01:06]	DaemonFC[m]	The episode Shut Up and Dance was my favorite until USS Callister. 
[01:06]	schestowitz	vZS1: yes, better not talk of the details
[01:07]	schestowitz	vZS1: beheading is too fast to count as torture
[01:07]	vZS1	Indeed
[01:07]	schestowitz	but it's deterrence/warning to others
[01:07]	schestowitz	like people hanging off cranes
[01:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Teenager was downloading porn on his laptop and got a virus and then he was being blackmailed to do a bunch of illegal shit by some internet troll.
[01:07]	schestowitz	more so headless... or just a bunch of heads
[01:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Who turned out to rat on him anyway after getting him involved in a bunch of stuff that was worse, and it turned out it was CP and the first person the troll showed was his mom.
[01:08]	DaemonFC[m]	Controversial episode for some reason.
[01:08]	schestowitz	your ex John?
[01:08]	DaemonFC[m]	There's a lesson in each one of those episodes.
[01:08]	MinceR	24 020701 < schestowitz> vZS1: beheading is too fast to count as torture
[01:08]	MinceR	it could be done slowly
[01:08]	DaemonFC[m]	If you don't want compromising material out there, don't do nasty/illegal shit.
[01:08]	schestowitz	MinceR: that's what they do
[01:08]	schestowitz	but not just the head
[01:09]	schestowitz	fingers, skin...
[01:09]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Well, after the CP, the troll got him to rob a bank and then do a bunch of other stuff leading up to killing a man while a drone recorded. 
[01:09]	schestowitz	there's a religion that celebrates a person nailed to a cross and left hanging with thorns in the head
[01:09]	DaemonFC[m]	No, but at the time I joked with John "That's why they shouldn't use Windows.".
[01:10]	vZS1	Don't forget being speared to death
[01:10]	DaemonFC[m]	vZS1: I wonder if Trump's defeat sort of blew the last fuse in my dad's head or something.
[01:10]	DaemonFC[m]	He kept talking about Trump being on a mission from God.
[01:11]	CrystalMath	oh
[01:11]	CrystalMath	like the blues brothers
[01:11]	DaemonFC[m]	Then after he lost the election he said "Oh, he'll reverse all this fraud and keep going!".
[01:11]	MinceR	"Spirit of the One God avenge me!"
[01:11]	DaemonFC[m]	They can't even imagine a situation where, under the rules in place for our elections, he simply lost the election because enough people weren't buying it anymore.
[01:12]	vZS1	Can't really do much about people with that level of faith. It's called faith for a reason.
[01:12]	CrystalMath	Trump not being a savior doesn't mean one is not needed
[01:12]	schestowitz	vZS1: in some countries people re-enact it on themselves
[01:12]	superkuh	I think more people are buying it than ever. It's just people that never bought it who used to vote third party voted for "not Trump".
[01:12]	schestowitz	to  make a point or prove their loyalty
[01:12]	schestowitz	or something
[01:13]	DaemonFC[m]	The fact that both candidates lured so many people out who normally don't vote was what threw me.
[01:13]	DaemonFC[m]	How there were 7 million more people than last time duped by this asshole.
[01:13]	schestowitz	"election fraud"
[01:13]	CrystalMath	i was probably most enthusiastic about Trump in 2017
[01:14]	CrystalMath	it kinda went down from that point, but my fear of the others grew
[01:14]	CrystalMath	i'm terrified of what Biden could do to the world
[01:14]	DaemonFC[m]	In the end though, I think Biden was a weak candidate and so many people had just had enough of Trump that he managed to turn out more marginally attached voters.
[01:14]	CrystalMath	wars, more surveillance
[01:14]	CrystalMath	more censorship
[01:14]	superkuh	Yes. Being not an asshole lets you get away with a lot.
[01:14]	CrystalMath	it's scary
[01:14]	superkuh	As a president.
[01:15]	superkuh	Biden was always buddy/buddy with the MPAA/RIAA.
[01:15]	superkuh	So in terms of software freedoms, yikes.
[01:15]	CrystalMath	it really is terrifying
[01:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, but divided government.
[01:15]	DaemonFC[m]	I still doubt we're going to get a SOPA with the incoming Congress.
[01:15]	CrystalMath	and he'll kill Assange for exposing american crimes, he'll probably kill Chelsea Manning too
[01:15]	superkuh	Right. Hopefully nothing gets done. That's been my hope since Bush.
[01:15]	vZS1	I think they're not divided about patenting everything under the sun
[01:16]	superkuh	DaemonFC[m], feds are feds are feds.
[01:16]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, I think the executive actions are coming.
[01:16]	superkuh	The war on general purpose computation is bipartisan.
[01:16]	schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_the_Military_Commander_in_Serbia#/media/File:German_massacre_in_Skela_01.jpg
[01:16]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia - Wikipedia
[01:16]	DaemonFC[m]	But you can't really create new copyright law with those.
[01:17]	DaemonFC[m]	I'd encourage everyone to get a VPN, but you needed one under Trump more than ever too.
[01:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Ron Paul accidentally slipped up with SOPA.
[01:17]	DaemonFC[m]	He called it the Stop Online Privacy Act. 
[01:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Which is what it was there to do, of course.
[01:17]	MinceR	lol
[01:17]	CrystalMath	well he's right
[01:18]	schestowitz	they dropped the sopa at the end
[01:18]	MinceR	who bent over for it though?
[01:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, because they were far too hamfisted with it.
[01:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Realized that there would be consequences.
[01:18]	vZS1	Software I'm not too worried about. People can always smuggle software about
[01:18]	vZS1	What worries me is hardware
[01:18]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: that was some truly dark times, but the occupation wasn't popular in serbia; we had the strongest resistance movements in europe
[01:19]	MinceR	only if they have general purpose computers
[01:19]	schestowitz	I don't even want to picture that >> [01:18] <MinceR> who bent over for it though?
[01:19]	MinceR	:>
[01:19]	vZS1	Yeah
[01:19]	vZS1	That's the main worry
[01:19]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: lots and lots of serbs were executed for hiding jews and gypsies
[01:19]	superkuh	Right. Lots of "trusted computing" and crap coming in next generation's hardware.
[01:19]	MinceR	"pluton"
[01:19]	superkuh	CPU that only work in the first mobo they're put in.
[01:21]	vZS1	Right to repair and stuff is getting decent media coverage
[01:21]	vZS1	The heat can't stop
[01:21]	schestowitz	not enough.
[01:21]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2019/08/04/righttorepair/
[01:21]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsofts War on the Right to Repair (Ones Own Computers) Makes Lundgren an Enemy to Microsoft | Techrights
[01:21]	vZS1	Otherwise we're all screwed
[01:22]	CrystalMath	vZS1: well there's always the TALOS workstation
[01:22]	CrystalMath	and librebot
[01:22]	CrystalMath	*libreboot
[01:22]	CrystalMath	and used old hardware
[01:22]	vZS1	But if they go too far China or some other country will step in to fill the void
[01:23]	CrystalMath	which void?
[01:23]	DaemonFC[m]	Bye Don Part 4: The part where he did, in fact, lose Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson.
[01:23]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.newsweek.com/rush-limbaugh-criticizes-trump-campaign-hyping-blockbuster-voter-fraud-evidence-nothing-1549674
[01:23]	MinceR	lol
[01:23]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Rush Limbaugh Criticizes Trump Campaign for Hyping Up 'Blockbuster' Voter Fraud Evidence: 'Nothing Happened Not Good'
[01:25]	vZS1	There's still healthy demand for generic computer hardware
[01:25]	CrystalMath	right
[01:25]	CrystalMath	but i think we need to go fully open
[01:25]	vZS1	Hopefully these new products go the way Windows mobile did
[01:25]	MinceR	replaced by something even worse?
[01:27]	psydroid	go as far as designing and manufacturing our own hardware
[01:27]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-half-americans-support-trump-running-2024-his-campaign-lawsuits-unravel-poll-1549677
[01:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsweek.com | Nearly Half of Americans Support Trump Running in 2024 As His Campaign Lawsuits Unravel: Poll
[01:27]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, but they're assuming room temperature quickly now with the virus hoax.
[01:27]	MinceR	we'll need chip fabs at home for that
[01:27]	psydroid	hopefully that will become a possibility soon
[01:27]	MinceR	yeah
[01:27]	DaemonFC[m]	"According to the U.S. Constitution, a president cannot serve any more than two terms of four years each. However, there is nothing in the constitution prohibiting an individual from serving non-consecutive terms as president. Former President Grover Cleveland served twice non-consecutively as the 22nd and 24th president, from 1885-1889 and 1893-1897."
[01:27]	schestowitz	very big home
[01:27]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, but that amendment didn't exist at the time.
[01:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Grover Cleveland could have served as many terms as he was elected to.
[01:28]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: correct, it seems that lots of people don't kow about the 22nd amendment
[01:28]	CrystalMath	neither did i
[01:28]	CrystalMath	but then again i'm not an american so i'm forgiven for that
[01:28]	vZS1	Companies won't stop producing generic hardware. There's too many markets around
[01:28]	DaemonFC[m]	It was passed to prevent another FDR.
[01:29]	vZS1	Gamers, graphic designers, etc.
[01:29]	vZS1	Hobbyist market
[01:29]	MinceR	gamers are being pushed to consoles and online streaming services like stadia
[01:29]	MinceR	many graphic designers already adopted crApple's bullshit
[01:29]	vZS1	Steam us still thriving
[01:30]	vZS1	is*
[01:30]	MinceR	and crapOS is already making it difficult to run applications that come from outside crApple's walled garden
[01:30]	vZS1	Krita, Gimp, Blender, etc all have good market share
[01:30]	psydroid	Steam is tied to x86 and proprietary, which is enough reason for me to avoid it
[01:30]	MinceR	it's also a DRM platform
[01:30]	schestowitz	everything rented
[01:30]	schestowitz	nothing owned
[01:31]	schestowitz	clown, drm...
[01:31]	psydroid	I just wanted to say that too
[01:31]	schestowitz	streaming is a clown form
[01:31]	MinceR	and yes, technically the games you "own" on steam are actually just indefinite subscriptions
[01:31]	schestowitz	subscription basically
[01:31]	MinceR	that they can end at any time
[01:31]	schestowitz	lots of patents on this vision of computing in the days of Vista/XP
[01:31]	vZS1	Was talking more wrt hardware
[01:31]	schestowitz	how to squeeze people for money without selling them 'updates'
[01:32]	vZS1	There is actually a growing number of DRM-free games on steam
[01:32]	schestowitz	some companies realise that they pay as much as a person's annual salary for some clown service
[01:32]	schestowitz	and to get a server of their own would cost vastly less
[01:32]	MinceR	GOG is better
[01:33]	schestowitz	and they can hire one full-time staff to manage it for the same cost as 'clown'
[01:33]	MinceR	GOG is actually DRM-free
[01:33]	vZS1	But that doesn't really mean much. Steam is still a DRM platform
[01:33]	MinceR	and it works without their launcher
[01:33]	schestowitz	the turf changed
[01:33]	schestowitz	and fast
[01:34]	schestowitz	software always changes fast
[01:34]	schestowitz	compared to things like chemistry
[01:34]	vZS1	You can play cracked versions of games
[01:34]	schestowitz	now if linux wins
[01:34]	vZS1	On custom servers
[01:34]	schestowitz	whatever "linux" even means
[01:34]	vZS1	This has been a thing since the dawn of online gaming
[01:34]	MinceR	for linux to win, it would have to free itself from the grip of microshit and SJWs
[01:34]	schestowitz	we end up with some weird monsters.... clown, 'secure boot', proprietary blobs with "hubs"
[01:34]	schestowitz	like flathub
[01:35]	schestowitz	and censorship at many levels
[01:35]	MinceR	and it would have to get rid of the CoC
[01:35]	schestowitz	no need, MinceR
[01:35]	MinceR	also, it would have to stop making concessions to microshit and dehomag
[01:35]	schestowitz	just get a vasectomy
[01:35]	MinceR	lol
[01:35]	vZS1	Linux is already embraced by Microsoft. That's not going to change any time soon.
[01:35]	schestowitz	they always embrace what they attack
[01:36]	MinceR	if linux's developers wanted linux to survive, they could fork it
[01:36]	vZS1	I didn't mean it in a nice way
[01:36]	schestowitz	neither did the python snake
[01:36]	schestowitz	and speaking of which
[01:36]	MinceR	and maybe adopt GPLv3 for new additions
[01:36]	schestowitz	they embraced python
[01:37]	vZS1	Microsoft is buying the market out
[01:37]	CrystalMath	python, CoC, .... what is it with these people and all the phallic symbols
[01:37]	vZS1	That's their MO
[01:37]	vZS1	We shouldn't be surprised
[01:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Do GoG games run in the Linux container on Chrome OS?
[01:37]	schestowitz	now there's a CONSORTIUM for banning words
[01:37]	schestowitz	Microsoft/VMWare and friends
[01:37]	DaemonFC[m]	That would be trippy. A DOS emulator in a Debian emulator on Chrome OS.
[01:38]	schestowitz	"community" = rude
[01:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Although I did build snes9x for Mandy in there and it seems to run Super Nintendo ROMs okay.
[01:38]	schestowitz	"GAFAM" = o
[01:38]	schestowitz	polite
[01:38]	MinceR	DaemonFC[m]: no idea
[01:38]	DaemonFC[m]	GAFAM!!!
[01:38]	schestowitz	nb: communities don't bomb countries and sterilise women at ICE facilities
[01:38]	DaemonFC[m]	See, this is why we wear masks.
[01:38]	MinceR	Strife: Veteran Edition ran fine on GNU/Linux
[01:39]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, these people won't be gone in four years. The people who supported this criminal regime won't all be gone.
[01:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Maybe with their leader in prison and some of them dead from COVID the next election won't be so close though.
[01:40]	vZS1	Valve have a big role to play in the GNU/Linux space. A lot of people are moving away from Windows because of Proton.
[01:40]	MinceR	steamOS is systemd/Linux, though
[01:40]	MinceR	and proton opens people up to lawsuits from the redmond mafia
[01:40]	vZS1	Didn't say it's a good or bad thing
[01:41]	MinceR	seems like an exercise in doing everything wrong
[01:41]	MinceR	like most of the IT industry
[01:41]	vZS1	But they're now a major player
[01:41]	psydroid	with a major attack surface
[01:42]	vZS1	Nobody should be relying on a gaming setup to be secure for anything
[01:42]	MinceR	indeed
[01:42]	vZS1	That's just silly
[01:43]	MinceR	my gaming machine is a separate laptop i don't use for anything security- or privacy-critical
[01:43]	vZS1	My machine for my sensitive data doesn't ever see the internet
[01:46]	vZS1	Linux has a lot of drivers for Microsoft products
[01:47]	vZS1	I have a wireless adapter for the old 360 controllers and it has plug-and-play functionality on Debian/Ubuntu
[01:47]	vZS1	That one surprised me
[01:49]	vZS1	What worries me is blobs getting into the source repo
[01:50]	vZS1	I keep seeing more every couple weeks
[01:51]	vZS1	I usually pull from Linus' git repo for the Linux source every Sunday
[01:51]	vZS1	I've been seeing a lot of stuff that is not Linux but driver support
[01:52]	vZS1	Most of it is merged in from third parties.
[01:53]	vZS1	Vast majority of the merges are completely undocumented
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[01:55]	vZS1	So Linus doesn't seem to be doing much actual programming.
[01:55]	vZS1	It's mostly just merging in things by others
[01:56]	vZS1	And there's not a lot of transparency about the context of the merges
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[02:00]	CrystalMath	that has been the case since 2010
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[02:18]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, but Steam doesn't like generic console controllers.
[02:18]	DaemonFC[m]	It doesn't like the PowerA wired switch controller, even though it's Nintendo certified.
[02:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Some games refuse to work with off brand XBOX 360 controllers.
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[03:52]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/tech/apple-thomas-moyer-bribery-indictment/index.html
[03:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple's global security chief and two members of Sheriff's office indicted for alleged bribery - CNN
[03:53]	CrystalMath	hi gry
[03:53]	gry	Hi CrystalMath
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[04:02]	CrystalMath	how are you?
[04:11]	gry	i'm ok, bit busy with simulations
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[06:09]	psydroid	I consider Linux (the kernel) pretty much unsalvageable at this point, even though I am somewhat familiar with its internals and I am afraid I could say the same thing about many of the GNU tools, but what is most important is the spirit of free software that allows us to recreate such software by (possibly) studying the originals and writing replacements as needed
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[07:41]	Ariadne	psydroid: yes, at work, we are looking into hosting alpine on a linux abi-compatible microkernel setup similar to HURD (but that's future handwavy stuff)
[07:46]	CrystalMath	i thought about writing a GPLv3 UNIX-like kernel
[07:46]	CrystalMath	but i keep thinking... BSD is out there
[07:46]	CrystalMath	so why
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[09:03]	vZS1	psydroid: another important thing is access to the commit history. A lot of the garbage can be removed by studying the revision history.
[09:07]	vZS1	Package maintainers also try to smuggle in things under users' noses. Building from source is becoming more important to preserve user freedom
[09:12]	vZS1	That's why it's important to archive the VCS repos of all the important projects.
[09:13]	vZS1	It doesn't really add up to much data.
[09:14]	vZS1	Probably less than 10GB for all the GNU stuff
[09:14]	vZS1	There's stuff from all the BSDs as well.
[09:15]	vZS1	Which are important to archive
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[09:43]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How to Install Arch Linux [Beginners Guide] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144697 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6894ce0e-6c84-47b0-983c-829ca9c9be6a]
[09:44]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Customize Task Switching Experience on GNOME Desktop With These Nifty Tools su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144698 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9a49f39d-0817-4e77-9c44-74505e3b74eb]
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[11:13]	vZS1	schestowitz: I've dug out an old laptop to serve as an IPFS node, for now. It runs plain Debian.
[11:14]	vZS1	I've decided to actually go for NetBSD on the Pi. Vast architecture support, which is what I need. Better performance then OpenBSD as well.
[11:14]	vZS1	than*
[11:14]	schestowitz	are they pratically better though?
[11:15]	schestowitz	seems like 'geek vanity'
[11:15]	schestowitz	looking for steeper challenges
[11:15]	vZS1	It's not about challenge
[11:15]	vZS1	It's about portability and performance
[11:16]	vZS1	Those are the top two priorities
[11:17]	vZS1	NetBSD has native support for many more architectures. Which means people have more freedom of choice when it comes to hardware. Which is a practical decision because not everyone has access to the same hardware
[11:21]	vZS1	The OS also has a much smaller resource footprint because it usually has to run in embedded hardware
[11:22]	vZS1	Which makes my life easier because I can build off their expertise
[11:27]	psydroid	I've also tried NetBSD on my OPi on and off
[11:28]	psydroid	just a USB keyboard didn't work
[11:30]	schestowitz	netbsd is partly developed on google cash now
[11:30]	schestowitz	gsoc mainly
[11:30]	schestowitz	and maybe because they want a non-gpl kernel that is light
[11:30]	schestowitz	and they can leverage on the cheap
[11:34]	vZS1	They support ODOROID and stuff OOTB
[11:35]	vZS1	Which has some pretty good boards on offer. More accessible to some markets
[11:38]	psydroid	Benny Siegert from Google did a talk about ARMv8 support for NetBSD at FOSDEM last year
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[11:44]	vZS1	Need to do an IPFS implementation in C, one of these days. I have a friend who might be up to the task to help. He's an embedded person
[11:45]	vZS1	The APIs aren't all that complicated
[11:46]	vZS1	I've already poked around the Go implementation a fair bit
[11:48]	vZS1	They're building a Rust implementation so let's see how that turns out
[11:48]	vZS1	The Go implementation takes up more resources than it needs to just because it's in Go
[11:49]	vZS1	I don't fancy programming in Rust because no specification
[11:50]	vZS1	Nothing like glibc either and all the documentation to fall back on
[11:50]	vZS1	At least Go has that going for it
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[13:08]	MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/MWl2u1o.jpg
[13:09]	vZS1	I got an IPFS node running on the old laptop
[13:11]	vZS1	Next up. Get NetBSD working on the Pi.
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[13:17]	XRevan86	https://bash.im/quote/463611 "Passing by a school I hear an early-grader ask: "How did your parents vote, for Biden or for Trump"". Not enough context, I assume the quote is from Vladivostok.
[13:17]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bash.im | #463611 
[13:19]	schestowitz	vZS1: cool!
[13:42]	vZS1	Since I have an IPFS node running all the time anyway, I use an IPNS object that points to an IPFS object with my IP address in it. Pointer is updated dynamically. Goodbye DNS.
[13:43]	vZS1	IPNS object is a static pointer 
[13:45]	vZS1	The propagation time is pretty decent
[13:46]	vZS1	I'll have to run more extensive tests later to get an idea of what the propagation time roughly settles at.
[13:46]	vZS1	Not having to deal with DNS and all its bullshittery is worth the effort.
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[14:01]	schestowitz	DNS is old
[14:01]	schestowitz	it's an alias book
[14:01]	schestowitz	now we have so much storage on computers
[14:01]	schestowitz	100 million of ipv4 address should not be much
[14:01]	schestowitz	even to update
[14:01]	schestowitz	100mb for one byte each
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[14:01]	schestowitz	but in one byte you can squeeze in more with compression
[14:01]	schestowitz	and over 90% of the entries are irrelevant for the most part
[14:01]	schestowitz	parked and unused domains
[14:01]	schestowitz	so maybe in less than a gigabyte, with occasional updates, you can do away with centralised dns
[14:02]	schestowitz	you could even hash the thing
[14:02]	schestowitz	then compress
[14:02]	schestowitz	and pass updates in a p2p fashion like windows update
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[14:31]	MinceR	https://nitter.net/bascule/status/1330914065368027144
[14:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Tony Abolish (Pol)ICE Arcieri (@bascule): "Anyone need a 7-screen laptop?" | nitter
[14:39]	schestowitz	MinceR: maybe handy for upcoming article...
[14:40]	schestowitz	don't know any background info to this
[14:40]	schestowitz	because... "tweets"
[14:40]	schestowitz	just a bunch of tl;dr
[14:40]	schestowitz	no substance
[14:40]	schestowitz	click, comment, move on
[14:45]	schestowitz	something about usability
[14:46]	schestowitz	MinceR:  on why not use a tiny 'phone'
[14:46]	schestowitz	need to think of the topic
[14:51]	vZS1	Content-based addressing and DHTs make pretty good alternatives
[14:52]	vZS1	There are options for running stuff like IPFS in "client-only" mode to reduce bandwidth usage.
[14:53]	vZS1	But right now it's still in the domain of engineers
[14:54]	vZS1	It'll take a few years for the usability to catch up with torrents
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[15:01]	schestowitz	vZS1: ddos risk to increase today
[15:01]	schestowitz	because of things we published
[15:01]	vZS1	What did you go and do now? lol
[15:03]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO
[15:03]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights
[15:03]	schestowitz	4 articles today
[15:04]	schestowitz	they're mass-mailing the managers
[15:04]	schestowitz	7,000 EPO workers
[15:05]	vZS1	One of the days I'll set up an IPFS-backed website
[15:05]	vZS1	For TR
[15:05]	vZS1	Through the public HTTP gateway 
[15:06]	vZS1	With all the objects I have
[15:06]	schestowitz	MinceR: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=build-computer-desk&num=1
[15:06]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Building A Large L-Shaped Desk For Accommodating Plenty Of Computers - Phoronix
[15:06]	schestowitz	recent
[15:07]	schestowitz	vZS1: I manually convert the PDFs into html
[15:07]	schestowitz	in turn, overnight, pypy will turn these into rich plain text
[15:07]	CrystalMath	wow, so many color codes needed
[15:07]	schestowitz	rich as in structure-aware
[15:07]	CrystalMath	good thing i have a 256-color browser
[15:07]	vZS1	Neat
[15:07]	CrystalMath	if i was on the tty, it would be only 16 and i couldn't read that page
[15:07]	CrystalMath	:P
[15:09]	vZS1	Which libraries do you use?
[15:10]	MinceR	must be nice to have room for a large desk
[15:16]	vZS1	I think at that point just working with a projector is better
[15:17]	vZS1	Too many screens
[15:25]	DaemonFC[m]	<MinceR "must be nice to have room for a "> No need.
[15:25]	DaemonFC[m]	Laptops are all pretty fast these days, with the exception of the absolute cheapest stuff that comes with Windows.
[15:26]	MinceR	it's still nice to have room for input devices, displays, other peripherals
[15:26]	psydroid	and then you remove Windows and install an operating system that works, if possible
[15:26]	MinceR	preferably separate display and input devices for computers that should be isolated from others
[15:26]	MinceR	i don't, so i use a usb peripheral sharing device instead
[15:27]	MinceR	s/don't/don't have room for those/
[15:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Many laptops seem to be getting rid of ports except for USB type C.
[15:33]	MinceR	must be fun carrying a dongle around just so you can connect a keyboard, a mouse or a flash card
[15:34]	DaemonFC[m]	It's amazing how little of permanence got done under Trump and he still gets so many people adoring him.
[15:34]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump Don't Care basically flopped except for the individual mandate, which Obama didn't even want.
[15:35]	DaemonFC[m]	If someone is so retarded that they're willing to risk hundreds of thousands in medical debt to save a few bucks on health insurance, seems like we should let them anyway.
[15:36]	CrystalMath	why is it dumb?
[15:36]	CrystalMath	i mean in their case it might be, at least for many of them
[15:36]	CrystalMath	but some people don't care if they die
[15:36]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: next article will use http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/serbia-execution.png
[15:37]	CrystalMath	hmm?
[15:37]	CrystalMath	in what context?
[15:38]	schestowitz	you will see
[15:39]	CrystalMath	i would be really disappointed if techrights were to write some stupid anti-serbian hit piece
[15:40]	schestowitz	no
[15:41]	DaemonFC[m]	My mom keeps trying to paint me as some sort of evil person for voting for Democrats.
[15:41]	DaemonFC[m]	She keeps going back to abortion.
[15:41]	DaemonFC[m]	I said, frankly there's a lot of things in the world that might not be right, but where the alternative is even worse.
[15:41]	CrystalMath	Trump didn't ban abortion
[15:42]	DaemonFC[m]	And we accept that and move on.
[15:42]	CrystalMath	nor would he
[15:42]	MinceR	he merely appointed a supreme court justice who will
[15:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Nope, and even reversing Roe wouldn't meaningfully change the situation.
[15:42]	CrystalMath	MinceR: Amy Coney Barrett wasn't even his first choice
[15:42]	DaemonFC[m]	It wouldn't ban abortion. It might make it a little bit harder to get one for some people.
[15:42]	MinceR	CrystalMath: but they wouldn't take mike pants?
[15:42]	CrystalMath	MinceR: he had to pick her because of the republicans
[15:43]	DaemonFC[m]	But red states have already done so much within Roe to get rid of it that getting rid of Roe wouldn't change much of anything at this point. 
[15:43]	MinceR	yeah, and the "republicans" (including cheeto hitler) are christian fundamentalists
[15:44]	CrystalMath	Brett Kavanaugh explicitly said he wouldn't overturn Roe v. Wade
[15:45]	CrystalMath	and it's not going to be overturned... it wouldn't be even after 500 years of Trump
[15:45]	CrystalMath	theoretically
[15:46]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, and there's the Republicans who keep saying that every Republican on the court is a closet liberal who tricked them.
[15:46]	MinceR	:>
[15:46]	DaemonFC[m]	Because every issue that comes up, you're still arguing it to 9 people who have differing opinions on different issues, and there will always be uncertainty because of that. 
[15:46]	CrystalMath	well, i'm not a closet liberal, i'm openly libertarian, and i'm making the case that Trump is secretly libertarian
[15:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, he was a Reform Party candidate in 2000.
[15:47]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: http://techrights.org/2020/11/24/lots-of-good-news-today/
[15:47]	DaemonFC[m]	He did get some votes then.
[15:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Lots of Good News Today | Techrights
[15:47]	DaemonFC[m]	But the Reform Party was just weird, right?
[15:48]	DaemonFC[m]	You had Jesse Ventura who was a guy who meant well that the Democrats and Republicans ganged up on.
[15:48]	MinceR	24 164649 < CrystalMath> well, i'm not a closet liberal, i'm openly libertarian, and i'm making the case that Trump is secretly libertarian
[15:48]	DaemonFC[m]	But I'd probably vote for him for president if he ran as a major party candidate.
[15:48]	MinceR	that would make keeping secrets the only thing he's good at
[15:48]	DaemonFC[m]	It's not as important to me, that I agree with a candidate on every issue.
[15:48]	MinceR	are kim jong-un and putin "secretly libertarian" too?
[15:49]	DaemonFC[m]	Who I like more or dislike less is also a deciding factor.
[15:49]	MinceR	DaemonFC[m]: just another clue that you should be against having leaders entirely
[15:49]	DaemonFC[m]	If Trump hasn't had so many outbursts and so much openly toxic behavior, I think he would have pulled this one off.
[15:49]	MinceR	when the choices always come up as Bad vs Worse, it would be better to have neither
[15:49]	DaemonFC[m]	Perhaps by slim margins, but there's so many contributing factors to a win or a loss, that yeah....
[15:50]	CrystalMath	MinceR: of course not
[15:50]	CrystalMath	MinceR: the great thing about russia is that you can hide in the tundras
[15:50]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: It's fun watching dad eat crow, though.
[15:50]	DaemonFC[m]	I told him that Trump would lose Michigan because of the new NAFTA.
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[15:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Where did the vote shift more towards Biden? Well, there were big jumps towards Biden even in counties that Trump won a second time, and a lot of that was displaced factory workers and stuff.
[15:51]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: nice article, i disagree that Trump is a fascist of course, but the rest is good
[15:51]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: i think there will be more challenges for software freedom with Biden
[15:52]	CrystalMath	but maybe i'm wrong
[15:52]	CrystalMath	i just can't get myself to think Biden will be just like Obama and stuff
[15:52]	CrystalMath	it just doesn't seem like it at all
[15:52]	DaemonFC[m]	Won't be exactly the same, but the machinery that got him there is largely the same.
[15:53]	MinceR	he was obama's VP, after all
[15:53]	DaemonFC[m]	Obama people all around, and they know how to win elections. There wasn't much of that in place for Hillary Clinton.
[15:53]	DaemonFC[m]	The Democrats didn't take an absolute beating in the Senate. The Senate has typically been close for decades now.
[15:54]	DaemonFC[m]	The staggered terms are partially to ensure that extremist political movements can't change the entire Senate over in any cycle.
[15:54]	schestowitz	[15:51] <CrystalMath> schestowitz: i think there will be more challenges for software freedom with Biden
[15:54]	schestowitz	we wrote about those
[15:54]	schestowitz	re patent law, Trump was likely much worse
[15:54]	schestowitz	he put iancu in place of lee
[15:54]	DaemonFC[m]	The House completely changes each cycle and is a snapshot about where the political opinion is at that time, every two years.
[15:54]	schestowitz	and it went downhill, except for trolls
[15:55]	CrystalMath	Trump also sided with Oracle in Oracle v. Google, which was bad
[15:55]	schestowitz	e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/11/10/biden-shifted-to-the-right/
[15:55]	DaemonFC[m]	Watching The Handmaid's Tale. 
[15:55]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | President-elect Biden is Already Being Shifted to the Right | Techrights
[15:55]	DaemonFC[m]	I noticed that the Commanders of Gilead all drive Teslas.
[15:55]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: because Trump is a  friend of larrison
[15:55]	schestowitz	it's all nepotism, favours, corruption
[15:55]	CrystalMath	yeah that sucks
[15:56]	schestowitz	larrison openly cheering, it's about policial favours
[15:56]	MinceR	twitler also put a shit pie in place to end net neutrality
[15:56]	CrystalMath	sacrificing interopability so that your friend can enforce a software license beyond its usual boundaries
[15:56]	DaemonFC[m]	In a prior episode, Commander Waterford mentioned that one of the hard lessons they learned was that the environment got destroyed and they're actually environmentalists now because they can't afford any more setbacks there.
[15:56]	schestowitz	MinceR: bad across the board on copyrights
[15:57]	schestowitz	trump was not better than obama at anything, and obama sucked too
[15:57]	schestowitz	like clinton and bush did
[15:57]	schestowitz	they just pass any law the large corporations want
[15:57]	schestowitz	so the rich get richer and buy the next president
[15:57]	DaemonFC[m]	I downloaded the movie, and it wasn't great. Perhaps I'm just used to binge watching TV shows now that have more hours in which to explain story elements that a 2 hour movie just can't wrap up.
[15:57]	CrystalMath	i watched the film, Handmaid's Tale (1990)
[15:57]	CrystalMath	i cried during that scene when they were capturing those nuns :(
[15:58]	DaemonFC[m]	The oil companies are fucked.
[15:58]	DaemonFC[m]	California's fuel economy standards are going to be implemented nationwide and between the states.
[15:58]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump lost big there.
[15:58]	DaemonFC[m]	GM says they plan to fully comply on the way to phasing out gasoline engines completely. 
[15:59]	DaemonFC[m]	Also, travel is down (hence the low oil prices), so Trump can certainly try to sign off on leases in Alaska's wildlife refuge, but as to whether any sell or not, probably not.
[15:59]	DaemonFC[m]	Remember Bush tried to do it too, and with far greater demand for oil and with higher prices that seemed to justify doing anything to get more.
● Nov 24
[16:00]	DaemonFC[m]	What does the Coronavirus oil slump followed by stringent new economy standards on the way to the end of gasoline tell us?
[16:00]	DaemonFC[m]	Bidding on those contracts is a bad investment being pitched to an industry in bankruptcy.
[16:00]	DaemonFC[m]	So it's more kabuki theater on the way out.
[16:01]	CrystalMath	honestly though, gasoline engines are not the biggest problem
[16:01]	CrystalMath	CO2 has continued to increase throughout the lockdown
[16:01]	CrystalMath	the real people you should be targetting are not indiviudals but factories
[16:01]	DaemonFC[m]	No, but coal is being phased out too.
[16:01]	CrystalMath	although, the extraction of oil is extremely devastating
[16:01]	CrystalMath	that's still done by companies
[16:02]	DaemonFC[m]	Progress on that accelerated under Trump because states were looking to stick it to him and showed the coal companies the door.
[16:02]	CrystalMath	well i think that's gonna take a while
[16:02]	CrystalMath	i mean unless you have what, nuclear?
[16:03]	DaemonFC[m]	It's actually rather funny watching them attack each other's donors.
[16:03]	CrystalMath	hydroelectric is great, we have that here because we have a huge river, but not everybody does
[16:03]	DaemonFC[m]	Right? Because the public wins sometimes.
[16:03]	DaemonFC[m]	Democrats phase out coal. Trump attacks the pharmaceutical industry.
[16:04]	DaemonFC[m]	It's a Jerry Springer slap fight.
[16:04]	CrystalMath	i don't think there's a good replacement for coal
[16:04]	CrystalMath	and that's a problem
[16:04]	CrystalMath	solar sucks
[16:04]	CrystalMath	it's incredibly inefficient unless done in space
[16:04]	DaemonFC[m]	Obviously there is, if it's gone from almost 40% of energy production in the US to just 13%.
[16:05]	DaemonFC[m]	On the way down to 9% in the next few years.
[16:05]	CrystalMath	being replaced by nuclear i presume
[16:05]	DaemonFC[m]	Natural gas, mostly.
[16:05]	CrystalMath	oh
[16:05]	CrystalMath	well that still produces CO2
[16:06]	DaemonFC[m]	It's easy to convert to, cheaper, and it's cleaner burning so you don't have to shut down and scrub everything down.
[16:06]	CrystalMath	okay, i don't consider that much of a difference though
[16:06]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, but by amount of energy produced, it causes less than half the CO2 emissions.
[16:06]	DaemonFC[m]	So it's still a big win in the mean time. Well, coal is becoming prohibitively expensive.
[16:06]	CrystalMath	companies are still free to do all kinds of crap while "environmentalist" attack the individual for using a gasoline engine
[16:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Indiana tossed $8 billion dollars of taxpayer money into a coal gasification plant just to scrap it before it ever did anything.
[16:07]	CrystalMath	as president, i would authorize small businesses to violate whatever regulation they want
[16:07]	DaemonFC[m]	And Indiana's ratepayers are on the hook to cover something that never produced any energy at all.
[16:07]	CrystalMath	as long as they're small enough
[16:07]	CrystalMath	also they would get tax money to get started
[16:07]	DaemonFC[m]	Many regulations already have exemptions for small businesses, including the Family Medical Leave Act.
[16:07]	DaemonFC[m]	And minimum wage laws sometimes.
[16:08]	CrystalMath	megacorps on the other hand would NEVER get help from the government
[16:08]	CrystalMath	microsoft fails? i laugh
[16:08]	CrystalMath	i don't care at all about the "instability" that would cause
[16:08]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, Walmart built an empire on top of using welfare programs to hide the real costs of their products.
[16:08]	DaemonFC[m]	You'd shop there, right, and their employees were using food stamps and Medicaid because they didn't get paid much of anything.
[16:09]	CrystalMath	i hate walmart
[16:09]	DaemonFC[m]	So Illinois raises the minimum wage to $15, phasing in, all of a sudden people shopping at Walmart are paying for what they use.
[16:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Mom was talking about this multi-millionaire that lived down the block from where she lived as a child.
[16:10]	DaemonFC[m]	She said he got rich investing in things like IBM and Coca Cola.
[16:11]	DaemonFC[m]	But that he grew up during the Depression.
[16:11]	DaemonFC[m]	He got in the habit of not being able to take a bath very often and he had such a frugal mindset that he didn't use very much soap while he was in there.
[16:12]	DaemonFC[m]	So her friend gave them an expensive coat that he didn't want anymore, and my mom was like, "Yeah, Carl can probably wear that.", and they open it up and the smell hits them both and they were like "WHOA!".
[16:12]	DaemonFC[m]	She said dry cleaning got it out though.
[16:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Mandy gets after me for being such a skinflint about most things.
[16:13]	DaemonFC[m]	I always bargain hunt, almost always.
[16:14]	DaemonFC[m]	But occasionally I splurge on a hell of a nice computer or something. Roy thinks an extra $500 on a computer over what maybe a baseline model runs every 5 or 6 years is a major budget sin that's going to cause a second bankruptcy, I guess.
[16:14]	DaemonFC[m]	The first and only bankruptcy I've had was entirely the fault of mounting legal bills trying to fight off false charges that the outgoing (voted out) prosecutor came after me with after my ex lied to the cops.
[16:15]	DaemonFC[m]	But I've always generally looked for ways to stretch money.
[16:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Like, I'll be at the store reading the price signage trying to figure out if there's a way to spend half a cent per ounce less on coffee, and I use coupons and look for dented cans and last day meat deals.
[16:16]	DaemonFC[m]	The stores know how to roll most people.
[16:16]	DaemonFC[m]	Do you want to finance that? No.
[16:17]	DaemonFC[m]	Do you want an extended warranty for just (20% of the purchase price) so you can get it fixed (if you can get the company on the phone and they don't deny the claim, on a device that's not designed to last more than several years anyway)? Pass.
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[16:18]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean, by the time something breaks down you might have bought 20 or 30 extended warranties that they're never going to honor and you lost the paperwork somewhere anyway.
[16:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Extended warranties, put bluntly, are a tool to assess if the customer is stupid, if so, to get them to agree to a price increase, and placate them so they don't feel like they got robbed.
[16:22]	DaemonFC[m]	And most major purchases have a manufacturer's warranty anyway, and the extended warranty people won't even talk to you until that's over with, and if you pay with a credit card, sometimes one of the benefits is that the card company doubles the manufacturer's warranty (through their underwriter) under the same terms.
[16:22]	DaemonFC[m]	So, mom listens to Dave Ramsey, she says....Then she buys an extended warranty even though he says not to.
[16:23]	DaemonFC[m]	She had thousands of dollars that she financed through a bankruptcy car loan firm go out the window because the extended warranty she bought on the thing she's driving has one of those companies that denies every claim.
[16:23]	DaemonFC[m]	MinceR: I don't know how this works. Maybe it's like the bible.
[16:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Oh, I listen to Dave Ramsey. No I don't know what he says, but I listen to Dave Ramsey.
[16:24]	DaemonFC[m]	Then I don't actually do anything he says to.
[16:24]	MinceR	lol
[16:24]	CrystalMath	i listen to Paul Joseph Watson from time to time
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[16:24]	CrystalMath	he actually says the reverse of what he said before a lot
[16:25]	CrystalMath	so it's hard to get a clear picture, but at least he provides some news
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[16:26]	DaemonFC[m]	That's always fascinated me about Christians. God or no God aside, you're wasting your time if you don't even believe in it to bother following the simplest of instructions.
[16:26]	XRevan86	DaemonFC[m]: They believe to associate.
[16:27]	XRevan86	Not to follow instructions. No one wants an extra burden.
[16:27]	DaemonFC[m]	How serious are you? Do you think the God that watches you and imposed commandments on you is such a fool that you're going to get up there and say "Well, I was in church backslapping a lot, and I even caught the Democrat Hoax a couple of times, but don't fuck the wife of the guy sitting next to me.....just slipped past me. Where is that one at?".
[16:27]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: : he's a mix of facts and fiction
[16:27]	schestowitz	like the sites he associates with
[16:27]	schestowitz	iirc, twitter banned him
[16:27]	schestowitz	or maybe he was luckily spared
[16:28]	CrystalMath	well i don't like they're putting chemicals in the water that turn the frigging frogs gay
[16:28]	CrystalMath	:P
[16:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Gay frogs.
[16:28]		*schestowitz does not have a problem with gay frogs
[16:28]	DaemonFC[m]	The Christian Frog neighbor lady in Frog Texas made a fake Frog Police report to get them arrested.
[16:29]	DaemonFC[m]	The Frog Supreme Court wasn't having any of it though.
[16:29]	CrystalMath	https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8
[16:29]	schestowitz	some people online are cuckoo factories
[16:30]	schestowitz	they take reasonably sane and innocent people, draw them in, turn them cuckoo
[16:30]	schestowitz	Aanon is a good example of it
[16:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-invidious.snopyta.org | Gay Frogs (Alex Jones REMIX) - Invidious
[16:30]	schestowitz	e.g. claims Assange had died in 2016
[16:30]	schestowitz	and that anything after that is "HEY HI" and CGI
[16:30]	DaemonFC[m]	It would be nice if he had died in 2015.
[16:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Before he got Cheeto Hitler elected.
[16:31]	CrystalMath	Hillary Clinton got Trump elected
[16:31]	CrystalMath	by doing the things that were revealed by wikileaks
[16:31]	CrystalMath	and being a warmonger, threatening war with Russia
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[16:32]	DaemonFC[m]	Hopefully, New York has Trump stamping license plates.
[16:32]	DaemonFC[m]	Rod Blogojevich should have never been let out of prison.
[16:32]	DaemonFC[m]	I wish Illinois had convicted him too in case he ever got out of Club Fed.
[16:33]	schestowitz	Wikileaks showed HRC team had been helping Trump
[16:33]	schestowitz	to weaken her rival
[16:33]	schestowitz	and by doing so putting the whole nation at risk
[16:33]	schestowitz	Wikileaks also showed war crimes before that
[16:33]	CrystalMath	Blagojevich, sounds serbian
[16:33]	schestowitz	and CIA back doors etc. in 2017
[16:34]	schestowitz	so if you don't want to take podesta emails and dnc leaks, you need to also pretend cablegate did not benefit you
[16:34]	schestowitz	Ryan: let war crimes be so I can have maaa hillary
[16:35]	CrystalMath	*killary
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[16:43]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPs3EeRyL9Y
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[16:46]	CrystalMath	MinceR: lol
[16:52]	DaemonFC[m]	Good news was there wasn't as much of that Hawaiian Chicken as I thought. 
[16:52]	DaemonFC[m]	Bad news is Mandy was mad at me for throwing it out.
[16:53]	DaemonFC[m]	I told him time and temperature. I wasn't about to get a $60,000 hospital bill for a stomach pump while COVID is running through there like some sort of Aliens horror movie over $1 worth of food.
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[16:58]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Mom was saying it didn't occur to him because they're used to eating out of the trash and having shit flowing down the street if it rains too much.
[16:58]	DaemonFC[m]	I said, "Well, in his defense, he comes from a place where they've always had an unstable and highly corrupt dictatorship, and we backslid a lot here before pulling ourselves out of it after 4 years.".
● Nov 24
[17:00]	DaemonFC[m]	By first world standards, the US government is corrupt.
[17:00]	DaemonFC[m]	But the Philippines is pretty garden variety third world corrupt from what I understand.
[17:01]	DaemonFC[m]	And I used some psychology there on Maricel to remind her of where she came from.
[17:01]	DaemonFC[m]	I said something like, "I've heard enough about that place to know I don't want Mandy to go back there.".
[17:01]	DaemonFC[m]	They were already furious and things were already broken down, so yeah it was a parting insult.
[17:02]	DaemonFC[m]	She's always terrified that people will stand in judgment or know what kind of a place she crawled out of.
[17:02]	DaemonFC[m]	So it was sort of one of those "You're not hiding anything from me." deals.
[17:04]	DaemonFC[m]	I've learned that you can imply things without saying them and make it sting so much worse.
[17:04]	DaemonFC[m]	Like, you don't have to say "shithole countries".
[17:04]	DaemonFC[m]	You just imply that they're backwards savages and you're concerned he'll have to go back.
[17:06]	DaemonFC[m]	Bringing out the big guns when you want to hurt someone is not always the correct strategy.
[17:06]	DaemonFC[m]	Sometimes it's easier to just have the wheels turn and make them get angrier the more they peel back the layers on what you just said. 
[17:07]	schestowitz	[16:58] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: Mom was saying it didn't occur to him because they're used to eating out of the trash and having shit flowing down the street if it rains too much.
[17:07]	schestowitz	mom being nastry
[17:07]	schestowitz	but...
[17:07]	schestowitz	Trump voter
[17:08]	schestowitz	so that computes
[17:08]	schestowitz	there are still ways to cook the chicken to make it safer
[17:08]	schestowitz	in battles and I'm told also in India they use lots of spices
[17:08]	schestowitz	you can also overcook it a bit
[17:08]	schestowitz	enough to kill the germs
[17:08]	schestowitz	you would not get worse than a trip to the toilet, at worst
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[17:25]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19518471
[17:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #trump will run in 2024. He'll run to Russia or Finland (which he thinks is part of Russia). 
[17:26]	DaemonFC[m]	Run to Russia..... :)
[17:26]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, he is the Darth Maul to Putin's Palpatine I guess.
[17:27]	DaemonFC[m]	But the Sith don't tend to have good retirement packages. 
[17:27]	MinceR	lol @ run to russia
[17:28]	schestowitz	you could send him to russia on a rocket, ICBMs get there real fast!
[17:29]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/24/pennsylvania-certifies-election.html
[17:29]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Pennsylvania certifies Biden win over Trump in presidential election
[17:29]	DaemonFC[m]	Last nail in the coffin for the Trump campaign.
[17:29]		*schestowitz always wanted to see a chain reaction on Cheetos
[17:31]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: oh, good
[17:31]	DaemonFC[m]	That fat pig of a GSA lady looks like Jabba the Hutt. 
[17:31]	schestowitz	less fuel for birtherism 2.0
[17:31]	schestowitz	you'll be hearing from madame carl farmone for 4 years after how biden "Stole" the election
[17:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Dad appears to realize now that it's over. He says he may have to leave the country.
[17:31]	schestowitz	so more ammo to you
[17:32]	schestowitz	"Trump was NOT EVEN CLOSE!"
[17:32]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: your dad is going to leave?
[17:32]	DaemonFC[m]	Of course he won't.
[17:32]	schestowitz	lol
[17:32]	schestowitz	leave where?
[17:32]	schestowitz	mexico?
[17:32]	CrystalMath	well that depends on how bad Biden is
[17:32]	CrystalMath	is Biden makes it unbearable to live there
[17:32]	schestowitz	europe wants yanks even less after so many voted trump
[17:32]	CrystalMath	he may have to
[17:32]	schestowitz	there needs to be more aggressive vetting process
[17:33]	schestowitz	to prevent trumpism creeping into europe
[17:33]	CrystalMath	Trumpism is already in Europe
[17:33]	schestowitz	that's what us did in ww2 with europeans, fearing it would import nazis and their sympathisers
[17:33]	schestowitz	not that the US lacked its own
[17:33]	DaemonFC[m]	"Wonder where you'd even go now that the Trump Plague has made the US Passport a good substitute for the bare shelves of toilet paper.
[17:33]	DaemonFC[m]	-Ryan"
[17:33]	schestowitz	(just managed to keep them better under control)
[17:34]	schestowitz	lol
[17:34]	schestowitz	haha
[17:34]	CrystalMath	but our Trumpism here is not so great
[17:34]	schestowitz	even some third-world countries block US 'tourists'
[17:34]	schestowitz	(immigrants)
[17:34]	schestowitz	because they're a covid risk
[17:34]	CrystalMath	americans are welcome in serbia
[17:34]	schestowitz	and the arms mentality/trump support is not helping either
[17:34]	schestowitz	they can be 'radicalisers'
[17:34]	CrystalMath	quite a few moved here this year
[17:35]	schestowitz	serbia isn't considered attractive a destrination
[17:35]	schestowitz	no offense to you
[17:35]	CrystalMath	serbia doesn't even require testing
[17:35]	MinceR	where will all those trumpists go? russia? hungary?
[17:35]	schestowitz	croatia maybe for holidays
[17:35]	schestowitz	but too corrupt to live there
[17:35]	CrystalMath	Croatia isn't as lax on covid
[17:35]	schestowitz	never heard of immigrants to serbia
[17:35]	DaemonFC[m]	I got a letter with a photo from Transunion that says ignoring your credit is almost as bad as ignoring your mother.
[17:36]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, I like my mom, but 4 closets of toilet paper instead of cash in the bank is not a great way to live your life.
[17:36]	MinceR	lol
[17:36]	schestowitz	"credit" is illusion
[17:36]	schestowitz	more so than money
[17:36]	schestowitz	like "intellectual property"
[17:36]	schestowitz	someone comes up with it
[17:36]	schestowitz	like facebook "friends;
[17:36]	schestowitz	they don't exist
[17:36]	schestowitz	it's just some bits in some idiot's private database
[17:36]	schestowitz	Zuck's
[17:36]	CrystalMath	ignoring credit?
[17:36]	CrystalMath	what does that mean?
[17:37]		*CrystalMath does not use banks
[17:37]	schestowitz	and they want you to waste days trying to 'amass' friends as though they were food items at the shelf
[17:37]	schestowitz	until these people finally realise it's virtual and without worth
[17:37]	schestowitz	"credit" is a man-made concept
[17:37]	schestowitz	and only a currency in few concepts, such as loan-asking
[17:37]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, people have "1,592 friends on Facebook".
[17:37]	schestowitz	tbh, too many people take loans
[17:38]	DaemonFC[m]	So, how many of those people would show up in the hospital if you were dying.
[17:38]	schestowitz	to keep up appearances
[17:38]	CrystalMath	i have zero loans
[17:38]	schestowitz	to make it look like they're better off than they are
[17:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Or loan you $20 that week.
[17:38]	schestowitz	and they pay for faking it
[17:38]	schestowitz	with interest :-)
[17:38]	CrystalMath	i actually lent money to others, at a zero interest rate
[17:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Facebook has destroyed people's actual social skills.
[17:38]	schestowitz	[17:37] <DaemonFC[m]> Yeah, people have "1,592 friends on Facebook".
[17:38]	schestowitz	meet them all in 5 years
[17:38]	schestowitz	one per say
[17:38]	schestowitz	day
[17:38]	schestowitz	until you get covid 500 times
[17:39]	schestowitz	and pass it to all those 1592 'friends'
[17:39]	DaemonFC[m]	It's just as well there's COVID lockdowns from that angle, because they wouldn't know what to do in the room with another person at this point anyway.
[17:39]	schestowitz	play card game
[17:39]	DaemonFC[m]	Society has grown extremely detached, jaded, and isolated anyway.
[17:39]	schestowitz	board game
[17:39]	DaemonFC[m]	You want someone to fuck? Get on an app.
[17:39]	schestowitz	we used to do that
[17:39]	schestowitz	take a ball, have a ball outside
[17:39]	DaemonFC[m]	You want a pizza delivered by a gig economy slave? Get on an app.
[17:40]	scientes	XRevan86, why doesn't compose+? produce the upside-down one?
[17:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Sure it's monitoring and monetizing everything you tell it, but why not?
[17:40]	scientes	XRevan86, and do you know what sequence will do it?
[17:40]	scientes	I didn't grow up typing Spanish......
[17:41]	XRevan86	Compose + ?? does
[17:41]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/health/filipino-nurse-deaths/index.html
[17:41]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Covid-19 is taking a devastating toll on Filipino nurses - CNN
[17:41]	scientes	XRevan86, ahh thanks
[17:41]	DaemonFC[m]	Not MARISOL. She's a politician for a grifting fake woo woo cancer hospital spiraling towards bankruptcy.
[17:41]	scientes	I tried
[17:41]		*scientes needed to try again
[17:43]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: Even teetering on bankruptcy, Cancer Treatment Centers of America is spending money bribing "news" articles to let them put in sponsored content. 
[17:44]	schestowitz	'news
[17:44]	schestowitz	fluff
[17:44]	schestowitz	advernalism
[17:44]	DaemonFC[m]	NPR maybe is the only thing left that isn't a complete tabloid.
[17:45]	DaemonFC[m]	Look, Trump is a fucking piece of shit, but seems like CNN goes to great lengths to give you your opinion for you I noticed.
[17:45]	DaemonFC[m]	It's like the equal and opposite of Fox News at this point. 
[17:46]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/politics/cdc-biden-transition/index.html
[17:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-CDC ready for Biden transition: 'This is what we've been waiting for' - CNNPolitics
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[17:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Of course, I'm glad that the real doctors at CDC are getting a president that isn't going to muzzle them and force them to post pre-written blurbs from the Politburo about how masks don't work and it's time to send the kids back to school.
[17:48]	schestowitz	they can now say very bad things
[17:48]	schestowitz	and then blame it all on Trump
[17:48]	schestowitz	not Biden
[17:48]	schestowitz	who is technically not in charge yet
[17:48]	DaemonFC[m]	Scott Atlas from the Herbert Hoover Administration won't be there to make it the official plan to let 2 million people drop dead from COVID, but Trump got us there halfway already. Baked in at this point.
[17:48]	schestowitz	then twitler will write lots of violent tweets
[17:48]	DaemonFC[m]	*Hoover Foundation, rather.
[17:48]	DaemonFC[m]	You can't make it up.
[17:49]	schestowitz	[17:44] <DaemonFC[m]> NPR maybe is the only thing left that isn't a complete tabloid.
[17:49]	schestowitz	Gates-bribed
[17:49]	schestowitz	and lying too sometimes
[17:51]	DaemonFC[m]	I didn't say there was no corruption at all. The Republicans cut the CPB funding.
[17:52]	DaemonFC[m]	Now they have their hand out and the rich people donate a ton of money and then want favors for it.
[17:54]	DaemonFC[m]	The original intent of NPR and PBS was that you'd have a well informed public.
[17:54]	DaemonFC[m]	But that's not useful to the Republicans.
[17:54]	DaemonFC[m]	You degrade education and then tell them they can't get a job because a Mexican took it.
[17:55]	DaemonFC[m]	They don't understand what economics is anymore, or trade policy, or tariffs.
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[18:26]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: But I like getting my news from NPR more than others because there's less of a slant and sensationalism on it.
[18:30]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/Pres/Maps/Nov24.html#item-4
[18:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electoral-vote.com | ElectoralVote
[18:31]	DaemonFC[m]	"In fact, the Constitution makes no mention of a majority leader at all (since that would imply an acknowledgment of political parties, which the framers hoped to avoid). It does, however, grant the President of the Senate the right to preside over the Senate, which means that Kamala Harris could assert herself, and could be the one to decide what matters do and do not come up for a vote."
[18:32]	DaemonFC[m]	I think she should go there, honestly.
[18:32]	DaemonFC[m]	People elected a president because they want that administration to be able to control what Congress considers.
[18:32]	DaemonFC[m]	And that's the whole reason for the Vice President's constitutional role as President of the Senate.
[18:34]	DaemonFC[m]	It would completely flip the script on Republicans. The Vice President can't vote except to break a deadlock, but controlling what comes up can put a Republican majority on the run.
[18:34]	DaemonFC[m]	They will be unable to force the Democrats into votes on uncomfortable and damaging stuff, and the Democrats will be able to put everyone on the record on their items.
[18:35]	DaemonFC[m]	If they want any chance at all in the Senate majority in two years, they'll put the Republicans on defense.
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[18:56]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: the point of a republican senate would be to keep Biden in check
[18:56]	CrystalMath	which is important
[18:56]	CrystalMath	just like a democratic congress in 2018 was there to put Trump in check
[18:56]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, but Kamala Harris could take control over the Senate's daily business.
[18:56]	CrystalMath	but instead of doing that, they acted like petulant children
[18:57]	CrystalMath	with russia nonsense
[18:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Despite the Republican majority.
[18:57]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: that would be bad
[18:57]	DaemonFC[m]	That's the constitutional option here. 
[18:57]	DaemonFC[m]	Why? The constitution says that's what the Vice President is supposed to do.
[18:57]	DaemonFC[m]	It worked like that for many decades at first.
[18:58]	CrystalMath	the senate has to do its job, and control the president
[18:58]	DaemonFC[m]	The VP not having an active role in the Senate is something that only came about recently.
[18:58]	CrystalMath	and the executive government as a whole
[18:58]	CrystalMath	it must have that power
[18:58]	CrystalMath	"i am the senate" never did anyone any good
[18:58]	DaemonFC[m]	The VP presided directly over the Senate, pretty regularly, until the late 1960s iirc. 
[18:58]	DaemonFC[m]	That's not what would be going on here.
[18:58]	DaemonFC[m]	The VP has the constitutional option of controlling the Senate's agenda, but may not vote except to break a tie.
[18:59]	DaemonFC[m]	They are the Senate President.
[18:59]	CrystalMath	right
[18:59]	CrystalMath	so if the obaminable sandman makes some horrible anti-privacy act
[18:59]	CrystalMath	the senate can vote against it
[18:59]	CrystalMath	and block it
[18:59]	MinceR	it won't, though
[18:59]	DaemonFC[m]	The job is normally seen as kind of dull.
[18:59]	MinceR	both parties are against privacy
[18:59]	MinceR	in case you haven't noticed
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[19:00]	DaemonFC[m]	Despite the fact that the majority party can appoint a President Pro Tempore, even that person doesn't normally preside.
[19:00]	DaemonFC[m]	It's usually doled out to one of the newer Senators so that they can better learn how the Senate functions. 
[19:00]	CrystalMath	MinceR: they will control other moonbattery
[19:00]	CrystalMath	at least
[19:00]	MinceR	unlikely
[19:00]	CrystalMath	as for the rest, well, i'm glad i don't live in america
[19:01]	DaemonFC[m]	The Senate President can not really stop something from coming up for a vote, in the end. They'd have to call a cloture vote, just like what goes on right now. However, they can also force an issue just like any Senator could.
[19:02]	DaemonFC[m]	They can use parliamentary procedure to try to stop things from being voted on though.
[19:02]	DaemonFC[m]	If they don't believe that something is proper, they can kick it to the Senate Parliamentarian as a point of order. 
[19:02]	CrystalMath	isn't congress the legislative branch?
[19:03]	DaemonFC[m]	Yes, but the Vice President is a member of two branches of government.
[19:03]	CrystalMath	okay so the congres and the senate are the legislative branch
[19:03]	CrystalMath	yeah i don't like that VP stuff in america
[19:03]	DaemonFC[m]	House and Senate. Together "Congress".
[19:03]	CrystalMath	we don't have that anywhere in europe
[19:03]	CrystalMath	we generally have strictly separated governments
[19:03]	DaemonFC[m]	They each have some of their own exclusive functions.
[19:03]	CrystalMath	here, the president can't do anything except represent the country
[19:04]	CrystalMath	the president has no legislative, judicinal, nor executive function
[19:04]	DaemonFC[m]	Revenue and spending bills may only be introduced in the House, and only the House can vote to impeach someone.
[19:04]	CrystalMath	instead, we have a prime minister
[19:04]	CrystalMath	the prime minister is the head of the executive government
[19:04]	DaemonFC[m]	But the Senate usually is the only one that has a vote to confirm presidential appointments.
[19:04]	CrystalMath	we also have a parliament
[19:04]	CrystalMath	it's kinda like britain, except
[19:04]	CrystalMath	it's unicameral
[19:04]	DaemonFC[m]	Although in some cases, the law or the constitution involves the House too.
[19:04]	CrystalMath	and there's no monarch
[19:04]	CrystalMath	instead of a monarch, there's a president
[19:04]	DaemonFC[m]	For example, if the office of Vice President becomes empty, both the House and the Senate must confirm a new one.
[19:05]	CrystalMath	DaemonFC[m]: oh i see
[19:05]	CrystalMath	so i've been misusing the word congress
[19:05]	DaemonFC[m]	I think we really need to take a step back here and have the House and the Senate confirm all appointments, up or down vote. Simple majority both chambers.
[19:05]	CrystalMath	i meant the house
[19:05]	DaemonFC[m]	As a safeguard against another Trump just packing the courts.
[19:06]	DaemonFC[m]	It would force consensus on nominees. We'd have better ones, I think.
[19:06]	DaemonFC[m]	The Constitution would have gotten rid of Trump eventually, but the plan here was pretty obvious.
[19:07]	DaemonFC[m]	They'd pass it to some other member of the Trump Crime Family at some point.
[19:07]	DaemonFC[m]	And we'd be another North Korea with the Kims.
[19:08]	DaemonFC[m]	The United States has tended to avoid family political dynasties for the most part.
[19:08]	DaemonFC[m]	Like, I don't think we're going to see Bushes and Clintons again.
[19:09]	DaemonFC[m]	So hopefully one term of Trump has taught those 80-some million people the cost of apathy. 
[19:09]	CrystalMath	without Trump it would have been Clinton again
[19:09]	CrystalMath	so what's your point?
[19:09]	CrystalMath	that it should have been someone third in 2016?
[19:10]	CrystalMath	everyone knows that...
[19:10]	DaemonFC[m]	If Eric or Don Jr. get in, it's going to be worse.
[19:10]	CrystalMath	but third options never work in the US
[19:10]	DaemonFC[m]	If anything, they're both even bigger cretins than their father.
[19:10]	CrystalMath	and that's why it IS like north korea
[19:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, in North Korea they have "elections".
[19:10]	DaemonFC[m]	But there's only one party allowed by law.
[19:10]	CrystalMath	actually not quite
[19:10]	CrystalMath	political parties are allowed, but
[19:11]	CrystalMath	they have to join the same one coalition
[19:11]	DaemonFC[m]	And it's to the national legislature only, which really isn't an independent or strong branch of government. 
[19:11]	CrystalMath	the democratic front for reunification of the fatherland
[19:11]	CrystalMath	it has 3 political parties
[19:11]	CrystalMath	that are members
[19:11]	CrystalMath	the worker's party of korea
[19:11]	CrystalMath	lead by Kim Jong-Un
[19:11]	DaemonFC[m]	They don't have an up or down vote on the Kims every 4 years and it would only be a fake election if they did.
[19:11]	CrystalMath	the socialdemocratic party of korea
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Communism doesn't really do elections once it takes over.
[19:12]	CrystalMath	and the cheondoist chongu party
[19:12]	DaemonFC[m]	Sort of like Nazis.
[19:12]	CrystalMath	all 3 parties generally agree on everything
[19:12]	CrystalMath	occasionally chongu members provide the one vote against something
[19:12]	CrystalMath	but that's mostly scripted
[19:12]	CrystalMath	"like, i think this law should have this slight insignificant difference!"
[19:13]	CrystalMath	and that's how it goes
[19:13]	CrystalMath	the government does whatever it wants
[19:13]	CrystalMath	but it's NOT without its veneer
[19:13]	CrystalMath	there's a lot of pretending
[19:14]	CrystalMath	there's always pretending, so don't expect to be able to tell what is fascism and what is not
[19:14]	CrystalMath	nobody will say it like it is
[19:15]	CrystalMath	the next Hitler won't be waving a swastika
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[19:44]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.jwz.org/blog/2020/11/retropie-questions/
[19:44]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | jwz: RetroPie questions
[19:44]	DaemonFC[m]	"How do I rip a PS2 disc?" It's the internet. Someone has solved this somewhere. Pirate it.
[19:49]	DaemonFC[m]	https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/24/rudy-giuliani-disbar/
[19:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Rudy Giuliani targeted for disbarment in state bar complaints filed by Rep. Bill Pascrell (D-N.J.) - The Washington Post
[19:51]	schestowitz	today I saw the hair colour photo
[19:51]	schestowitz	and laughed out loud
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[20:07]	schestowitz	when historians ask, "how bad was the Trump coup?"
[20:07]	schestowitz	People would nail down this photo and say, "THAT's how bad"
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[21:06]		-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144716 [https://pleroma.site/objects/999c41c8-99f2-4ab8-b29d-ba69443d126e]
[21:08]	vZS1	Pretty much every authority is against privacy
[21:08]	vZS1	Because it means they don't have control
[21:08]	schestowitz	yeah
[21:08]	schestowitz	"national security"
[21:08]	schestowitz	which means back doors etc.
[21:08]	schestowitz	newspeak
[21:09]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19520095
[21:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Too many corporate 'journalists' are nowadays little but corporate tools, so what they say about #security profitability etc. is less than irrelevant. All that's important to them is, does this company pay me to say it? 
[21:09]	schestowitz	[21:01] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): #CIA sponsoring US tech giants for #imperialism ttps://www.nextgov.com/it-modernization/2020/11/exclusive-cia-awards-secret-multibillion-dollar-cloud-contract/170227/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/853c197e-4697-4d4c-a98f-7c0409c63eee]
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[21:09]	schestowitz	[21:00] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): Can we take #vpn software seriously when it's ported to platforms with #nsa back doors? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=WireGuard-For-Windows-0.3 http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [https://pleroma.site/objects/40726c4b-25da-456c-89ff-c8fb66b5082f]
[21:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-WireGuard For Windows Updated With Improved Installer, ARM/ARM64 Support - Phoronix
[21:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights
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[21:09]	schestowitz	[20:58] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): "The #curl project is completely independent and stands free from influence from any parent or umbrella organization or company" Except #microsoft#deletegithub https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2020/11/24/the-curl-web-infrastructure/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/49188152-5568-4e1d-9fb8-1744c6c545e3]
[21:09]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The curl web infrastructure | daniel.haxx.se
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[21:09]	schestowitz	they use Microsoft for all their webdev stuff
[21:09]	schestowitz	and then claim "independence"
[21:09]	schestowitz	what tools
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[21:14]	DaemonFC[m]	https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/amd-laptops-have-a-hidden-10-second-performance-delay-heres-why/?amp=1
[21:14]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | AMD laptops have a hidden 10-second performance delay. Heres why Ars Technica
[21:15]	DaemonFC[m]	Things at Intel are so bad that they doubled CPU power consumption and banned reviewers from testing battery life.
[21:22]	MinceR	:>
[21:26]	vZS1	They even have apps for toothbrushes now
[21:26]	vZS1	That's the extent of invasion
[21:27]	schestowitz	vZS1: why the heck not?
[21:27]	schestowitz	do toilet brushes have apps too (yet)?
[21:27]	schestowitz	I bet those apps would be kinda shitty anyway...
[21:27]	vZS1	Probably not long until they do
[21:28]	schestowitz	brushFit
[21:28]	schestowitz	let us count for you how many brushes you did today
[21:28]	schestowitz	then upload it to the clown
[21:28]	schestowitz	to show us to your fried
[21:28]	schestowitz	'friends'
[21:28]	schestowitz	in a panel
[21:28]	schestowitz	with "share" and "like" buttons
[21:28]	MinceR	https://oralb.com/en-us/pro-5000-electric-toothbrush-with-smartguide-bluetooth/
[21:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oralb.com | Pro 5000 with Bluetooth Electric Toothbrush | Oral-B
[21:29]	schestowitz	'Michael likes your "I brushed my teeth with over 200 strokes" last night'
[21:29]	schestowitz	MinceR: oral surveillance
[21:29]	MinceR	https://www.usa.philips.com/c-m-pe/electric-toothbrushes
[21:30]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usa.philips.com | Philips Sonicare Electric Toothbrush & Accessories | Philips Sonicare
[21:30]	schestowitz	now google rectal surveillance too
[21:30]	schestowitz	like "Smart buttplugs" or something
[21:38]	MinceR	storing rectoscopy images in the "cloud" might be more effective :>
[21:38]	schestowitz	I bet it's already done
[21:38]	schestowitz	even foreign clowns
[21:39]	schestowitz	like, colonoscopy and endoscopy data going into GAFAM in real time
[21:39]	schestowitz	and the doctors won't give a shit
[21:39]	schestowitz	because "the clown"
[21:39]	schestowitz	it's safe
[21:39]	schestowitz	it's "the thing now"
[21:39]	schestowitz	they will then say it does "HEY HI" on the data
[21:39]	schestowitz	and "saves lives" because "HEY HI"
[21:45]	MinceR	https://xkcd.com/2208/
[21:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Drone Fishing
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[22:04]	MinceR	(cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080916
[22:04]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4812058)
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