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| XRevan86 | https://nitter.net/realDonaldTrump/status/1220821545746141187 | Jan 25 00:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) | Nitter | Jan 25 00:40 | |
| XRevan86 | Ever since I first heard about the Space Force that Trump announced I thought that he probably heard it from Putin and loved the idea. | Jan 25 00:41 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Space_Forces | Jan 25 00:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Russian Space Forces - Wikipedia | Jan 25 00:41 | |
| *XRevan86 looks at the logo of the Russian Space Forces. Oh goodness… | Jan 25 00:42 | |
| XRevan86 | The insignia probably comes from https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Air_Force_Space_Command.png | Jan 25 00:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-commons.wikimedia.org | File:Air Force Space Command.png - Wikimedia Commons | Jan 25 00:47 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/5vzTlaN.jpg | Jan 25 00:58 |
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| Canta_techrights | For the love of god, has anybody seen this?!: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/tell-microsoft-to-upcycle-windows-7-set-it-free | Jan 25 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Tell Microsoft to upcycle Windows 7. Set it free! — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Jan 25 01:17 | |
| Canta_techrights | I saw it minutes ago in my mail. I feel sick. What the hell is the FSF doing? | Jan 25 01:18 |
| Canta_techrights | This has to be some kind of joke for sure. | Jan 25 01:19 |
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| *psydruid[m]3 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KmLuBJuuDCrbgoxEZnvZYejQ > | Jan 25 01:38 | |
| psydruid[m]3 | I read about it somewhere. | Jan 25 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | Canta_techrights: I think they absolutely know the answer, but still want to present it to the world. | Jan 25 01:41 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft who <3 Open Source will absolutely not free an OS they ended support for. | Jan 25 01:42 |
| XRevan86 | I don't see harm in spelling that out. | Jan 25 01:42 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YYIzmUjSPUbYWBNWkIZtZRLf > | Jan 25 01:44 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: While EdgeHTML will be in, I assume it won't be accessible as a browser in the system, i.e. Chromium will replace it. | Jan 25 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Except that it is. | Jan 25 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can set a group policy to unhide the old Edge and it comes back as "Edge Legacy". | Jan 25 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | But it's fun how many godforsaken engines Microsoft is going to continue to support endlessly. | Jan 25 01:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: oh. Fun. | Jan 25 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | Is it edge or is it legacy? :) | Jan 25 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Logically, they'd set a time and date at which point Internet Explorer 11/Trident will be removed from Windows. | Jan 25 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They lied to the government and said that Windows and IE are inter-dependent and couldn't be separated, back during the antitrust case. | Jan 25 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Nah, intranet idiots will pay them for IE indefinitely. | Jan 25 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Hm, I wonder what WinAPI for HTML uses now… | Jan 25 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably Trident. | Jan 25 01:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft was pitching Trident as part of Win32 for so many years that if you get something else it will break many old programs that assume it will always be there | Jan 25 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | Yea, looks like it. | Jan 25 01:53 |
| *XRevan86 searched for MSHTML, got recent mentions of IE. | Jan 25 01:53 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Well, there you have it, Trident will be there forever. | Jan 25 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | Or else a lot of software will just break. | Jan 25 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | Like old games. | Jan 25 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | Hm, but they could also just rip networking out of it and declare it complete. | Jan 25 02:00 |
| XRevan86 | So that it only works as a local HTML renderer (+ JS). | Jan 25 02:01 |
| psydruid[m]3 | They realise their empire is built on weak foundations of less than perfect backward compatibility. In a competitive marketplace as we have seen anywhere but on the desktop their software gets murdered. | Jan 25 02:01 |
| XRevan86 | But then older GoldSrc games will fail to fetch some server data. | Jan 25 02:04 |
| XRevan86 | Even though VALVE bundled old Blink with GoldSrc, there are probably games out there that do a similar thing. | Jan 25 02:05 |
| XRevan86 | So my suggestion to rip networking out will definitely break stuff noticeably. | Jan 25 02:06 |
| XRevan86 | psydruid[m]3: They have successful software, but all of it is either bought or forked. | Jan 25 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They haven't bothered retaining good support for even some parts of Direct3d 9. So oddly, Wine's D3D 9 and DXVK are being packaged for Windows now, so it can run Windows games. :) Considering how long Windows XP was around and how DirectX 10 got no traction because Microsoft refused to backport it, that's a lot of good games spanning more than a decade (12-13) years that may not work on Windows 10. | Jan 25 02:10 |
| XRevan86 | Like SwiftKey on Android was popular before Microsoft and still is apparently. I didn't touch the stuff so I only judge from third-hand experience. | Jan 25 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At this point, I can't see a good reason to use Windows, even for compatibility, because they're very nearly as bad as Apple and a lot of Windows games are better on Linux. | Jan 25 02:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I bought an old game from 1999 on eBay that flopped, and loaded it into Wine to see what happened. It ended up working fine and I played through. "Heavy Metal: FAKK' | Jan 25 02:12 |
| XRevan86 | psydruid[m]3: It seems they wrote .NET Core themselves though. I find it to be a total abomination, but the C# seem to be okay with it, so I don't know, maybe I'm just not wired to get it. | Jan 25 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > Like SwiftKey on Android was popular before Microsoft and still is apparently. I didn't touch the stuff so I only judge from third-hand experience. | Jan 25 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hear Apple has swipe to type now. I think I was using that on Android in 2011. The Amazing New iPhone blahblahblah. I wonder if their screens are even full HD yet. | Jan 25 02:14 |
| MinceR | the cultists are okay with anything microsloth plops out of its orifices | Jan 25 02:14 |
| MinceR | IT has been coopted by a couple of competing and cooperating religions | Jan 25 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | A compiler that *requires* .csproj, a build system monstrosity on a lot of XML… | Jan 25 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | That's innovation right there. | Jan 25 02:15 |
| XRevan86 | Mono doesn't do that. | Jan 25 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, I'm a hipster for wanting a computer that works and doesn't piss me off and liking decentralized open information and viewing copy protection as a form of malicious software. I faced the accusation recently by an 18 year old with an iPhone. :) I can't really blame him for it though. The corporate propaganda is that anyone who doesn't want their computer to be a dumb terminal for various paid subscriptions | Jan 25 02:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | is a criminal never stops. | Jan 25 02:17 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: It can't be, how did they type? | Jan 25 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you criminalize freedom, only the criminals will have freedom. | Jan 25 02:19 |
| MinceR | lol @ crApple cultists accusing others of being hipsters | Jan 25 02:19 |
| danielp3344 | https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/tell-microsoft-to-upcycle-windows-7-set-it-free | Jan 25 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Tell Microsoft to upcycle Windows 7. Set it free! — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Jan 25 02:20 | |
| danielp3344 | This is terrible | Jan 25 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Is that a bad thing though? It means that decentralised us hip | Jan 25 02:20 |
| psydruid[m]3 | XRevan86, I have only written something in C# on a few occasions in my life, the last time was a few years ago. But I don't know anything about recent .NET and C#, as I only ever really did anything with it in 2001. At the time I was writing some code for watching DVB-S channels, but the APIs were already so limited on purpose to keep developers from reaching the low-level hardware, that I gave up on it and never | Jan 25 02:20 |
| psydruid[m]3 | looked back. | Jan 25 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | is hip * | Jan 25 02:20 |
| XRevan86 | psydruid[m]3: I looked at various languages recently just to broaden my perspective a little, C# was the most unpleasant one I tried. | Jan 25 02:21 |
| MinceR | i coded c# for money once, never again | Jan 25 02:21 |
| psydruid[m]3 | MinceR, don't you think it's worse now, when the opposite should be the case with GNU/Linux and other free operating systems being in advanced states of development? | Jan 25 02:22 |
| XRevan86 | It's somehow more Java than Java, when I think about the stupidest traits of Java. | Jan 25 02:22 |
| psydruid[m]3 | It feels as if Microsoft has mobilised the entire IT industry for the final battle | Jan 25 02:22 |
| MinceR | psydruid[m]3: what is worse now? | Jan 25 02:23 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: About Wine on Windows there's also OTVDM :) | Jan 25 02:24 |
| psydruid[m]3 | > IT has been coopted by a couple of competing and cooperating religions | Jan 25 02:25 |
| psydruid[m]3 | I was referring to this, MinceR | Jan 25 02:25 |
| MinceR | psydruid[m]3: yes, absolutely | Jan 25 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I bundled it with an old programme for student work, that made some people happy | Jan 25 02:26 |
| XRevan86 | Wrote a launcher for the bundle on pure C with WinAPI. That was fun, WinAPI is extremely ugly. | Jan 25 02:27 |
| XRevan86 | I used to programme some stuff with WinAPI many years ago, nostalgic to revisit that for a bit. I remembered it to be an abomination, and it's worse than I remember it. | Jan 25 02:28 |
| MinceR | psydruid[m]3: problem is that corporations like microsoft and ibm specialized in taking down the competition instead of creating products or services | Jan 25 02:29 |
| MinceR | and while it took them a while, they eventually found the weak points in Linux and the FSF | Jan 25 02:30 |
| XRevan86 | https://paste.debian.net/1127497 – with this for code. | Jan 25 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | debian Pastezone | Jan 25 02:31 | |
| MinceR | ew | Jan 25 02:32 |
| XRevan86 | Forgot to replace memset for = {0}, whatever. | Jan 25 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, you could still make a new web browser and base it on Trident. | Jan 25 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You'd end up calling whatever version is on the Windows system in question, or Gecko if you end up running it on Wine. | Jan 25 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wonder if Trident Shells are still a thing. | Jan 25 02:35 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Totally can, yes. | Jan 25 02:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes, I'm very proud >:3 | Jan 25 02:36 |
| psydruid[m]3 | The one time I tried to write things with WinAPI and MFC I gave up, because it was so ugly. I still have the Petzold and Richter books from way back, but never looked at them again. And now I'm like why bother anymore? | Jan 25 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/6683629 | Jan 25 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 200 @ http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/6683629 ) | Jan 25 02:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | A window defined by an add-on program is displayed to a user of an application program in a computer system. The add-on program detects the display to the user of an application window created by the application program. In response to this detection, the add-on program displays an add-on window to the user. The add-on window may enable the user to initiate new functions in the computer system, and the add-on window | Jan 25 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | may be a child window (which is defined by the add-on program) that is embedded in a parent window displayed by the application program. | Jan 25 02:38 |
| XRevan86 | psydruid[m]3: On POSIX that knowledge is completely useless, so why indeed | Jan 25 02:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A circular explanation of nothing is circular and full of nothing. The nothingness detects the circular nature and continues the nothingness in a circular manner. In this way, the user, staring into the abyss detects the nothingness that circles infinitely and realizes what Nihilism is all about. | Jan 25 02:39 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 02:41 |
| XRevan86 | There's something very silly about how Windows handles the command line. | Jan 25 02:41 |
| MinceR | there's something very silly about how Backdoors does anything | Jan 25 02:42 |
| XRevan86 | argv is *parsed* from a string | Jan 25 02:42 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_nihilism | Jan 25 02:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Existential nihilism - Wikipedia | Jan 25 02:42 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I guess I am cherry picking | Jan 25 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In figure 114 the abyss stares back into the user. | Jan 25 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What patent examiner could understand this mess. | Jan 25 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is meaningless. | Jan 25 02:44 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Jan 25 02:45 |
| danielp3344 | I've decided to start watching doctor who again | Jan 25 02:45 |
| danielp3344 | for want of anything better | Jan 25 02:45 |
| danielp3344 | I'm almost through the first doctor at this point | Jan 25 02:46 |
| XRevan86 | danielp3344: Even the slideshow reconstructed episodes? | Jan 25 02:46 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I can't find the figures. | Jan 25 02:48 |
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| danielp3344 | the reconstructed ones are just painful, I've skipped those | Jan 25 02:49 |
| danielp3344 | luckily its not that many | Jan 25 02:49 |
| XRevan86 | danielp3344: Watch Marco Polo though | Jan 25 02:49 |
| danielp3344 | XRevan86: why? | Jan 25 02:50 |
| danielp3344 | it seemed kinda boring | Jan 25 02:50 |
| XRevan86 | danielp3344: I found it to really work for me despite the slideshow. | Jan 25 02:50 |
| XRevan86 | danielp3344: The Second Doctor will be a lot more disappointing, there are a lot of gaps. | Jan 25 02:51 |
| MinceR | do patent examiners even read patents anymore? | Jan 25 02:52 |
| MinceR | afaict patents just tend to get granted automatically, even if they're invalid | Jan 25 02:52 |
| danielp3344 | I know someone who used to be a patent examiner. | Jan 25 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | She said her career goal was to grant as few patents as possible lol | Jan 25 02:53 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 25 02:53 |
| MinceR | did they penalize her for it? | Jan 25 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | IDK | Jan 25 02:53 |
| danielp3344 | I hope not | Jan 25 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What was the point of EdgeHTML? | Jan 25 02:54 |
| XRevan86 | And I started watching Star Trek: Picard. It feels more like TNG than like Discovery, I can say that. | Jan 25 02:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They forked it off of Trident in the IE 11 Standards Mode. | Jan 25 02:54 |
| danielp3344 | <XRevan86 "Daniel Peterson: Watch Marco Pol"> was there anything really important in it? | Jan 25 02:54 |
| MinceR | the point was the usual | Jan 25 02:54 |
| MinceR | people knew Idiot Exploiter and trident are shit | Jan 25 02:54 |
| MinceR | so microshit rebranded them | Jan 25 02:54 |
| MinceR | and as usual, only the faithful believed that the result was something totally new | Jan 25 02:55 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: The same as for ReFS. | Jan 25 02:55 |
| XRevan86 | danielp3344: That I don't remember. | Jan 25 02:55 |
| MinceR | apparently the logo wasn't changed enough, so now we have the "new", crashium-based Idiot Exploiter. | Jan 25 02:56 |
| XRevan86 | With a new logo that is the blandest thing. | Jan 25 02:56 |
| MinceR | bland is their thing | Jan 25 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | They replaced old tainted identity with absolutely no identity. | Jan 25 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: IE was recognisable, it had character. | Jan 25 02:57 |
| XRevan86 | of being the worst, but it had character | Jan 25 02:57 |
| MinceR | it was recognizable because all the browsers had character | Jan 25 02:58 |
| MinceR | IE had none | Jan 25 02:58 |
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| MinceR | if you saw something that looked like a web browser tech demo someone invented a name and logo for in 1 hour, you knew you were looking at IE. | Jan 25 02:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Show IE's logo to someone, they'll say "yes, this is my nightmare" | Jan 25 02:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 25 02:59 |
| psydroid | how did this company even manage to exist for such a long time? they've made it their goal to stay in business as long as possible while making the worst products | Jan 25 02:59 |
| MinceR | the new logo looks more like the off-brand backup logo failfox included | Jan 25 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | The new logo is just a blob | Jan 25 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | It looks like any other browser logo. | Jan 25 02:59 |
| MinceR | psydroid: they got lucky with their daddy, ibm | Jan 25 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yes, it really does. | Jan 25 02:59 |
| MinceR | and from then on they just exploited every bit of leverage they had | Jan 25 02:59 |
| XRevan86 | A browser logo | Jan 25 03:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's what I mean when I say that it has less character than IE | Jan 25 03:01 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 25 03:01 |
| XRevan86 | I think it was deliberately designed that way | Jan 25 03:01 |
| danielp3344 | XRevan86: it does have a character, the 'e' | Jan 25 03:01 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 03:01 |
| MinceR | well, since nutscrape had an animated letter 'N', pretty much every browser had to have the first letter of its name as its logo :> | Jan 25 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | danielp3344: No, it doesn't. | Jan 25 03:02 |
| XRevan86 | It's a nautilus shell or something | Jan 25 03:03 |
| danielp3344 | oh | Jan 25 03:03 |
| danielp3344 | well | Jan 25 03:03 |
| danielp3344 | I can't say I'm supprised | Jan 25 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://web.archive.org/web/20070311134206/http://www.blakeross.com/index.php?p=69 | Jan 25 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Blake Ross on Firefox » NS8, part 1: I need closure | Jan 25 03:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://web.archive.org/web/20070607204641/http://blakeross.com/index.php?p=72 | Jan 25 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org | Blake Ross on Firefox » NS8, part 2: More horsepower than ever before | Jan 25 03:03 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The magic of Client Side Decorations on Windows. | Jan 25 03:03 |
| XRevan86 | "I think it was deliberately designed that way" – so that people accidentally open it mistaking the logo for some browser, since it looks like every browser logo | Jan 25 03:04 |
| MinceR | they still allow other browsers to be installed on Backdoors10? | Jan 25 03:05 |
| MinceR | s/other // | Jan 25 03:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They still haven't pulled an iOS, yes. | Jan 25 03:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CSD and two different rendering engines create disaster. | Jan 25 03:06 |
| MinceR | CSD is a disaster by itsel | Jan 25 03:06 |
| MinceR | f | Jan 25 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Netscape Browser 8 was the worst web browser ever. | Jan 25 03:06 |
| MinceR | no, it isn't IE | Jan 25 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took everything that was wrong with Internet Explorer and Firefox and smashed them together. | Jan 25 03:06 |
| MinceR | wait, IE is not a browser. go on. | Jan 25 03:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And under a GUI that was created by an AOL subcontractor in Canada. | Jan 25 03:06 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if Windows Update will shove an Edge shortcut once again this time. | Jan 25 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | “I found its user interface dense and cluttered. The toolbars are packed with annoying boxes containing scrolling text, objects Netscape calls ‘widgets.’ These display automatically updated news headlines and weather forecasts. Adding to the clutter are built-in search boxes for shopping and yellow pages. Some of these things are built into the browser because AOL makes money when you click on them. You can dele | Jan 25 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | these irritating toolbar objects, but that takes effort. It would have been better if Netscape had followed the lead of Firefox, and of Apple Computer’s Safari browser, in presenting a clean, spare look” | Jan 25 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | -Walt Mossberg | Jan 25 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GENTLEMEN, congratulations! You're everything we've come to expect from years of AOL programs. | Jan 25 03:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now if you'll come this way, there's just one more test. An eye exam! | Jan 25 03:10 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I didn't know anyone cared about Netscape after Firefox. | Jan 25 03:11 |
| XRevan86 | And the acquisition by AOL. | Jan 25 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I spent forever, after the AOL takeover, trying to figure out how to delete the SHOP button they put next to the STOP button. | Jan 25 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I finally figured it out. | Jan 25 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That came about in the Communicator 4.x days. | Jan 25 03:11 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: But why? | Jan 25 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they lost the rights to the third party calendar program, so they just dropped it and didn't mention that in the release notes. But you could take the JAR file and put it back in. | Jan 25 03:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Netscape 4 was an unholy mess. | Jan 25 03:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In 2002, I was shocked that they even made one last release. 4.8 | Jan 25 03:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It claimed to fix some bugs and improve performance in some cases. | Jan 25 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But by 2002, there were other browsers, and none of them were as slow and crash-prone as Netscape 4. | Jan 25 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, along the way, AOL packed the Netscape 4 installer with useless unrelated software and also Winamp. | Jan 25 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And someone unpacked it of all the non-browser stuff and made a new setup program so that it would be 19 MB instead of like 60 MB on dial up). | Jan 25 03:14 |
| XRevan86 | My personal worst browser logo redesign award still goes to Opera. | Jan 25 03:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everything since they dropped Presto has been crap. | Jan 25 03:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their new mobile browser doesn't even let you pick any search engine but Google. | Jan 25 03:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who knows how Opera even exists? | Jan 25 03:19 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't say it's not fitting. | Jan 25 03:19 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers#Gecko-_and_Trident-based Netscape Browser 8 the truly evil. "It took everything that was wrong with Internet Explorer and Firefox and smashed them together." This by DaemonFC is exactly description it has both gecko and IE trident engines. | Jan 25 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of web browsers - Wikipedia | Jan 25 04:45 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its bad enough having IE without having Netscape Browser 8 that could get stuck in a rendering loop. Ie render a page in gecko hit a error lets render it in Trident hit a error lets try gecko again.... Welcome to I am running your cpu into the ground successfully rendering nothing. | Jan 25 04:47 |
| oiaohm | So everything wrong with gecko and trident with a enhanced damage factor was Netscape Browser 8. It really takes some creative incompetence to out do Internet exploder/explorer | Jan 25 04:48 |
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| MinceR | "Software is like an onion. If you open up the inner layers you start crying. | Jan 25 09:22 |
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| schestowitz | niceeeee... | Jan 25 13:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox 72.0.2 makes some noticeable changes. | Jan 25 15:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The CSS bug they fixed seems to make Facebook scrollbars blue, like they are in Chrome. | Jan 25 15:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably affects other sites. | Jan 25 15:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook finally dropped their Chrome US sniffer on video calls. | Jan 25 15:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *UA | Jan 25 15:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The DRM support is really hooks. It's completely non-functional by itself. | Jan 25 15:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Essentially, without HDCP support you'd get an authentication error if you tried playing something from Netflix to an external display or something. | Jan 25 15:31 |
| schestowitz | :/ | Jan 25 15:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is exactly what happens without the hooks. | Jan 25 15:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A CDM like Widevine would interact with it, but I have Widevine disabled because I don't trust it, obviously. | Jan 25 15:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unfortunately, Widevine is not just proprietary, you have to ask Google for permission to redistribute it. | Jan 25 15:33 |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19122757 | Jan 25 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 15:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox got permission, but it's really not practical for small independent browser companies to do that, so what many end up doing is basing their browser on Chromium and then telling the user how to fetch Widevine themselves. | Jan 25 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What that essentially means is that more of the web is locked away from browsers that cannot or will not include a CDM. | Jan 25 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the new Chromium Edge, Microsoft supports "PlayReady" and Widevine, and Apple only supports "FairPlay" in Safari. | Jan 25 15:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's really nobody you could even ask for a CDM from except for Google, which should be illegal in and of itself. | Jan 25 15:36 |
| MinceR | even if it was, it would be unenforced | Jan 25 15:38 |
| MinceR | see also: UEFI | Jan 25 15:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I tried filing a complaint against Google. | Jan 25 15:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's still pending on the Illinois Attorney General's docket as Farmer v. Google. | Jan 25 15:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was 2 years ago. | Jan 25 15:39 |
| MinceR | big surprise | Jan 25 15:39 |
| MinceR | the law doesn't apply to megacorporations like google | Jan 25 15:39 |
| MinceR | the state only exists to oppress people like us | Jan 25 15:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They took up my complaint against Lenovo pretty quickly. | Jan 25 15:40 |
| MinceR | and what happened to it? | Jan 25 15:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They told Lenovo they had two weeks to respond or they'd order them to comply with my proposed remedy or go to court. | Jan 25 15:40 |
| MinceR | and? | Jan 25 15:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lenovo fixed their firmware so that Linux could be installed immediately and once they promised not to stop the user from installing Linux on any of their laptops in an agreement with the AG's office, I dropped the complaint. | Jan 25 15:41 |
| MinceR | i guess they don't have enough pull in the US | Jan 25 15:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Lenovo never publicly backed away from their statement that their computers are designed for Windows 10 and that you shouldn't install Linux, but they don't actively prevent you from doing it. | Jan 25 15:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Matthew Garrett used his blog to attack me for getting Linux to work on millions more computers while he sided with Intel and Lenovo for blocking it with secret undocumented crap. | Jan 25 15:43 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 15:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He got a Free Software Award. I'm still waiting for mine. Apparently, to get one of those from the FSF you have to actively support DRM and Microsoft, badmouth Linux every chance you get, and write proprietary software. It also helps if you berate the FSF and Richard Stallman on mailing lists. | Jan 25 15:45 |
| MinceR | maybe supporting ibm is enough | Jan 25 15:45 |
| MinceR | now that they pay the FSF enough | Jan 25 15:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It also helps if you are a trans person who does any or all of those things. | Jan 25 15:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a multiplier x3. | Jan 25 15:46 |
| MinceR | well, that part is easy | Jan 25 15:46 |
| MinceR | change your name, announce gender and pronouns :> | Jan 25 15:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ideally you would be a trans vegan who supports Microsoft, writes proprietary software, hates Free Software, and trashes the FSF on mailing lists. | Jan 25 15:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then you get two Free Software Awards. | Jan 25 15:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Them/They | Jan 25 15:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People who are confused about their gender go to court and take advantage of legal fiction to change it. | Jan 25 15:48 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Fortunately for them, the American court system relies on a lot of legal fiction. It helps them hand down terrible rulings every day and pretend that any of it has to do with justice, even remotely. | Jan 25 15:48 |
| MinceR | that's what all of the state is about | Jan 25 15:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad told me that you can't redefine marriage. | Jan 25 15:49 |
| MinceR | do horrible things to people and get them to accept it and pretend it's just, fair and legitimate | Jan 25 15:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him as an imaginary concept and legal fiction, you can define it however you want. | Jan 25 15:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | > do horrible things to people and get them to accept it and pretend it's just, fair and legitimate | Jan 25 15:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR State: He threatened to kill two people with a deadly weapon. Also, the state: We'd like to dismiss one of these entirely and say the other one is he kind of made an ass out of himself in the middle of the night in public. | Jan 25 15:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "In the interest of justice." | Jan 25 15:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Since when does "He tried to kill two people with a deadly weapon." become "He was a small nuisance.....moving on!"? | Jan 25 15:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't. But it keeps the court moving, so whatevs. | Jan 25 15:53 |
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| samiamsam | https://savedotorg.org/ | Jan 25 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Save .ORG | SaveDotOrg.org | Jan 25 15:57 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/01/01/502c501dd3b1eedd.png | Jan 25 15:59 |
| MinceR | i'd rather replace DNS with something workable | Jan 25 15:59 |
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| superkuh | hash based routing like tor. | Jan 25 16:03 |
| MinceR | it would be nice to have something for friendly names though | Jan 25 16:05 |
| MinceR | something decentralized where i decide whose directory to trust and what name to put them under | Jan 25 16:05 |
| MinceR | (also, the Location header needs to die) | Jan 25 16:05 |
| MinceR | (in HTTP, that is) | Jan 25 16:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Alternate DNS has been a thing for a while. | Jan 25 16:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Back when nobody had thought to just start attacking the DNS system and seizing domains, nobody much cared. | Jan 25 16:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The funny thing is that the MPAA's war against the internet had a phase where they thought they could just point ICE at various websites and say "Get 'em!" and then that MAFIAAFIRE extension for Firefox just redirected people to working backup sites. | Jan 25 16:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they demanded Mozilla take it down, and Mozilla said no. | Jan 25 16:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_IP_Act | Jan 25 16:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | PROTECT IP Act - Wikipedia | Jan 25 16:22 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The CBO scored it and said that the federal government would spend $10 million a year enforcing it so that private corporations who already have DMCA would make more money. | Jan 25 16:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The Recording Industry Association of America points to a 2007 study[78] by the Institute for Policy Innovation which found that online piracy caused $12.5 billion in losses to the U.S. economy and more than 70,000 lost jobs." | Jan 25 16:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I read that one. It was nice. They even said corn farmers would go bust because they wouldn't sell popcorn at movie theaters, and then made up some ridiculous number. | Jan 25 16:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, you also can't buy popcorn at the supermarket and eat it at home over a bittorrented movie. | Jan 25 16:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had no idea. | Jan 25 16:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 16:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The movie industry takes so much money from the theaters that their business model is essentially running an outrageously overpriced snack counter that plays movies. | Jan 25 16:26 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/647881.jpg | Jan 25 16:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But Hollywood, to avoid taxes and royalties, finds a way to make every movie a loss, including Return of the Jedi and every Lord of the Rings and Hobbit movie (which is probably why Lucasfilm was so valuable to Disney and they keep making new LotR/Hobbit movies at a loss). | Jan 25 16:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They claimed that Forest Gump lost money so they wouldn't have to pay royalties to the author of the book, and then they went back wanting movie rights to the second book. He said he couldn't, in good conscience, sell them the rights to something that would lose money again. | Jan 25 16:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If there's an expert in grifting and mooching off of creative people, it's the RIAA/MPAA. | Jan 25 16:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Back before Spotify took all the money away from the people who actually worked to make something, Apple's $1.29 iTunes track sales netted the artist(s) less than 3 cents. | Jan 25 16:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $1.26 went to the label, the RIAA, and Apple. | Jan 25 16:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not getting any money and having to use the music sales themselves as advertising for tours and t-shirts isn't new. The people who are really pissed about file sharing are dirty lawyers paid by other crooks in business suits. | Jan 25 16:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course Apple likes DRM. It prevents you from walking away from Apple. | Jan 25 16:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing you buy from Apple is portable. If you leave them, your apps don't follow you and neither does anything else. | Jan 25 16:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the reasons Steam has remained popular is because it's portable. | Jan 25 16:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you want to leave Windows 10, you don't have to abandon all of your games in a Microsoft Store. | Jan 25 16:34 |
| MinceR | GOG is better, as it's DRM-free | Jan 25 16:40 |
| danielp3344 | 'better' | Jan 25 16:41 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19122611 | Jan 25 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 17:21 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That GoG Galaxy shit is annoying | Jan 25 17:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-has-banned-nearly-200-malicious-firefox-add-ons-over-the-last-two-weeks/ | Jan 25 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mozilla has banned nearly 200 malicious Firefox add-ons over the last two weeks | ZDNet | Jan 25 17:30 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/mozilla-firefox-chrome-review-comparison-2020/ | Jan 25 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com | Why I Switched to Mozilla Firefox From Chrome and You Should Too | Digital Trends | Jan 25 17:33 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | One reason I stick to X11 is Wine, the other is Firefox. | Jan 25 17:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox Wayland is in good shape other than no VA-API support. | Jan 25 17:33 |
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| MinceR | afaik they have downloads that don't rely on gog galaxy even for Backdoors | Jan 25 17:36 |
| MinceR | i never encountered it on GNU/Linux though :> | Jan 25 17:36 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-bing-focing-wont-win-search-engine-wars/ | Jan 25 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com | Microsoft Will Never Win the Search Engine Wars by Forcing People to Use Bing | Digital Trends | Jan 25 17:39 | |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sgcgbMPQSEDEjicNxOBOGVJw > | Jan 25 17:40 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, 1. Microsoft, and 2. It's the default search engine on all of their products, which is how it's even gotten to 9%. | Jan 25 17:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the upside is that there's finally a search engine that's been optimized for Trump voters who like child pornography and malware. | Jan 25 17:41 |
| MinceR | forcing is all they know | Jan 25 17:44 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/650519.jpg | Jan 25 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google has been skewering Windows in their Chromebook ads and they don't even have to mention it by name because as soon as viruses pop up on the screen or something, we all know what they're talking about. | Jan 25 17:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was kind of funny to see Microsoft wasting all of that money on IE, Edge, and now Edge (Not to be confused with Edge.). | Jan 25 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They still haven't recovered from IE 6. | Jan 25 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Never will because they managed to miss the boat on the smartphone completely and while Edge is on Android and iOS, they can't make anyone install it and on iOS they also have no control over the rendering engine (Webkit). | Jan 25 18:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trying to pitch low cost Windows "devices" that are "kind of like a Chromebook, but with frustration" is like teaching a hippo to dance. Well, the horror stories from everyone who has actually bought one of these godawful things has been enough to scare me away | Jan 25 18:01 |
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| MinceR | they'll probably blackmail device makers into preinstalling Edgy on Android devices using their VFAT patents | Jan 25 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The VFAT patents are expired. | Jan 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Microsoft_FAT_patents | Jan 25 19:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft FAT patents - software patents wiki (en.swpat.org) | Jan 25 19:01 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The FAT patents have the interesting property of being useful only for compatibility with the patent owner. The FAT patents are not otherwise useful; in fact the FAT filesystem is technically undesirable. Those who wish to make use of the patent are clearly seeking compatibility, not innovation or other useful properties. " | Jan 25 19:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Jan 25 19:01 |
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| MinceR | then they'll do so via the exfat patents | Jan 25 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Microsoft_sells_patents_to_OIN,_2009 | Jan 25 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft sells patents to OIN, 2009 - software patents wiki (en.swpat.org) | Jan 25 19:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | According to Red Hat, Microsoft's sale of the OpenGL patents included literature describing open source software that could be sued if you bought them. | Jan 25 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why a covenant not to sue is not acceptable. Microsoft will promise not to sue you, then sell the patents to someone else with an information packet about how they can sue you. | Jan 25 19:33 |
| MinceR | episode 9001 of "things botNET/mono apologists will never understand" :> | Jan 25 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's more than a little disturbing that Google gets away with some of the things it does. | Jan 25 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's a long drop to the second place, Bing, Microsoft. When Bing isn't busy returning malware, 3 pages of ads, irrelevant results, child porn, and hate speech, it likes to spend its time offering you Microsoft Points for being a loyal user. | Jan 25 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bing is an optional search engine in most browsers, either because Google likes to pretend you've got options, or because they paid to be there, but won't outbid Google. | Jan 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Given what happened with Yahoo, I'm sure a Firefox with Bing as the default engine is a very real possibility in the future. | Jan 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard to say they chose Yahoo for their users because it's a good search engine. | Jan 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yahoo's former CEO was an even bigger idiot than tech company CEOs tend to be and offered them a lot of money. | Jan 25 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "As Recode reported last year, there was a clause in the Mozilla deal that would have the potential Yahoo acquirer pay $375 million per year through 2019 if Mozilla didn’t want to work with the buyer." | Jan 25 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uhm, Mozilla took in $450 million last year. | Jan 25 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Does that include $375 million from Verizon for the scuttled search deal? | Jan 25 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Back in 2014, the last year of the Google deal, that agreement brought in $323 million of the foundation’s $330 million in total revenue." | Jan 25 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So at that time they depended on Google for over 98% of their revenue. | Jan 25 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Each year that Firefox loses users will undoubtedly mean less revenue because they're not worth as much to Google's search business. | Jan 25 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And those years where Yahoo was paying Mozilla to stick them in your face, it didn't help Yahoo because users just cursed and changed it to something else. | Jan 25 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not new that Firefox is essentially operating as a subsidiary of Google. Maybe not legally, but if they tell Google to take a hike and their revenue plummets to 2% of what it was, they're finished. Or if Google just gets tired of them. | Jan 25 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/et8jfr/github_warns_firefox_for_ios_isnt_supported_and/ | Jan 25 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | GitHub warns Firefox for iOS isn't supported, and doesn't work (infinite loading, unresponsive buttons). Does anyone have the same issue? : firefox | Jan 25 19:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Github sticks out an unsupported browser warning for Firefox on iOS, even though it uses the exact same Webkit engine Safari does, and Safari is mentioned as a supported browser. | Jan 25 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I sort of agree with the argument that it would be better for the government to spy on people using an impossibly cheap VPN than to try to attack Tor Browser. | Jan 25 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bing now returns an ad banner for Edge when you search for other browsers. | Jan 25 20:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And one for itself if you search for Google. | Jan 25 20:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 25 20:08 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "I sort of agree with the argumen"> like nordvpn? :P | Jan 25 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Child pornography | Jan 25 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A study released in 2019 of Bing Image search showed that it both freely offered up images that had been tagged as illegal child pornography in national databases, as well as automatically suggesting via its auto-completion feature queries related to child pornography. This easy accessibility was considered particularly surprising since Microsoft pioneered PhotoDNA, the main technology used for tracking images | Jan 25 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | reported as originating from child pornography.[126] Additionally, some arrested child pornographers reported using Bing as their main search engine for new content.[127] Microsoft vowed to fix the problem and assign additional staff to combat the issue after the report was released. | Jan 25 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Microsoft develops AI to flag and remove child porn. Also, arrested child porn defendants name Bing as their main source of child porn. | Jan 25 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's questionable stuff that turns up all over the web though, including Reddit. | Jan 25 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Doesn't surprise me that Bing was doing this though. | Jan 25 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I was trying it out to see if it was any good, I wasn't even looking for porn and had safe search on, and it returned porn. | Jan 25 20:20 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/650313.jpg | Jan 25 20:47 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Microsoft is working closely with law enforcement." | Jan 25 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh good. That ought to slow 'em down. | Jan 25 21:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 25 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/09/us/internet-child-sex-abuse.html | Jan 25 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Child Abusers Run Rampant as Tech Companies Look the Other Way - The New York Times | Jan 25 21:13 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's the article that page used about Bing. | Jan 25 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The digital trail of abuse — often stored on Google Drive, Dropbox and Microsoft OneDrive." | Jan 25 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: One of the questions on my probation form from the disorderly conduct asked how much I agreed that the only difference between a convicted criminal and everyone else is that the criminal was dumb enough to get caught. | Jan 25 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I decided to play it safe and answer "agree slightly". She asks me why. | Jan 25 21:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 25 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "Well, there was a lawyer on Youtube talking about why you should never talk to the police. He was talking about how there are 60,000 or more crimes on the books and many people commit several per day without even realizing it. But from what I've observed, being stupid is much more likely to get you caught.'. | Jan 25 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "For example, how many criminals know not to talk to the police? How many know what the plain sight rule is? How many store evidence of their crime on a cloud storage server?". | Jan 25 21:16 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | "Going further, most of them don't know to quit while they're behind and resist arrest as well." | Jan 25 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Here's 12 cops with guns. I think I'll run away. They'll never catch...OH SHIT!". | Jan 25 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know....Yeah, pretty dumb. | Jan 25 21:18 |
| MinceR | dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. | Jan 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Prosecutors eat these people for breakfast because by the time they get into court, they've done everything you could possibly do to make sure you're in trouble. | Jan 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Amazon, whose cloud storage services handle millions of uploads and downloads every second, does not even look for the imagery. Apple does not scan its cloud storage, according to federal authorities, and encrypts its messaging app, making detection virtually impossible. Dropbox, Google and Microsoft’s consumer products scan for illegal images, but only when someone shares them, not when they are uploaded." | Jan 25 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that's how you get these companies to keep tabs on everything. Once they have scanning tools to go after the CP, you can make the scanner look for anything. | Jan 25 21:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leaked government documents, pirated software, movies, MP3s... | Jan 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They care more about the pirated Hollywood movies than they do about a 7 year old being raped. | Jan 25 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There aren't lobbyists for the 7 year olds that have the Senate working on hiring more DHS Special Agents to police that. | Jan 25 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But PIPA was going to make taxpayers fork over at least $100 million dollars each decade to hire special agents to enforce copyright. | Jan 25 21:57 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CKdqHAQyRmnltsEZEivRBIan > | Jan 25 22:00 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I say the police should arrest Microsoft executives. | Jan 25 22:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Criminal Negligence comes to mind. | Jan 25 22:00 |
| MinceR | yeah, but they won't | Jan 25 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How is returning pages of results for "porn kids" not negligent? | Jan 25 22:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I mean forget everything else.... "Porn kids" and "suggesting more abuse terms when the user types 'porn kids'"? Jesus. | Jan 25 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft responded by specifically blacklisting a few dozen terms from returning anything. | Jan 25 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The question was, who didn't think of that before? | Jan 25 22:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently Google gained market share despite Microsoft sticking Bing in wherever it can, paying off Vivaldi to make it default, etc. | Jan 25 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 93% of all searches go through Google. | Jan 25 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 2.34% go directly through Bing. | Jan 25 22:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I tried Bing again today. Their ads slip right past my ad blocker. | Jan 25 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the actual results aren't terrible. Unfortunately, there are so many ads it's difficult to tell what the results actually are. | Jan 25 22:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is wonderful. | Jan 25 22:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: So I searched Bing for The Mandalorian. | Jan 25 22:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And one of the ads is for a fake pirate streaming site that wants your credit card. | Jan 25 22:23 |
| MinceR | well, those are the sort of sites that are willing to pay bìng :> | Jan 25 22:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Is it just me or does Bing strongly resemble those fake search sites that ISPs who error hijack you display? | Jan 25 22:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is just so unbelievably shitty, I can't believe anyone would use it at all. | Jan 25 22:26 |
| danielp3344 | hmmm I was just on a public wifi network and techrights.org was blocked under "hate & racism" lmao | Jan 25 22:32 |
| danielp3344 | I use tor so much I've forgotten how funny censorship is. | Jan 25 22:32 |
| MinceR | even google and ddg are shitty now | Jan 25 22:33 |
| danielp3344 | <DaemonFC[m] "This is just so unbelievably shi"> we need a word for the most faithful servants of MS | Jan 25 22:34 |
| danielp3344 | who will use anything that has microsoft on it | Jan 25 22:34 |
| MinceR | cultists | Jan 25 22:34 |
| MinceR | true believers | Jan 25 22:34 |
| MinceR | acolytes | Jan 25 22:34 |
| danielp3344 | that could go either way | Jan 25 22:34 |
| danielp3344 | I get called a cultist a lot :P | Jan 25 22:34 |
| danielp3344 | <MinceR "true believers"> that's not bad | Jan 25 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's probably one of those firewalls that public libraries like to use. As-if that would ever stop me. | Jan 25 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One library in Indiana was using like Cybersitter or something back in the 1990s. | Jan 25 22:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It blocked an encyclopedia article and said that it was pornography and if I think there was a mistake, contact a librarian. | Jan 25 22:36 |
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| danielp3344 | and? | Jan 25 22:39 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwzuiSy9y0 | Jan 25 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dude, Where's My Car? (2/5) Movie CLIP - And Theeennn... (2000) HD - YouTube | Jan 25 22:42 | |
| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20010421 | Jan 25 22:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object | Jan 25 22:51 | |
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| XRevan86 | Great job, Dymov | Jan 25 23:10 |
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| MinceR | :> | Jan 25 23:14 |
| XRevan86 | The last package of their… err, hot dogs that I bought was very salty and went to the trash. | Jan 25 23:17 |
| *XRevan86 reads on vocabulary around various types of sausagues | Jan 25 23:18 | |
| XRevan86 | sausages | Jan 25 23:18 |
| MinceR | it's a good, woody sort of word | Jan 25 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | What's the difference between a frankfurter and a wiener? | Jan 25 23:19 |
| XRevan86 | A wiener is a Vienna sausage, and that's not what that was | Jan 25 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | So a frankfurter I guess. | Jan 25 23:20 |
| XRevan86 | > A moist sausage of soft, even texture and flavor, often made from mechanically recovered meat or meat slurry. | Jan 25 23:22 |
| MinceR | moist wanted | Jan 25 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: These kinds of jokes are just way too obvious and banal. | Jan 25 23:23 |
| MinceR | which ones? | Jan 25 23:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The sausage party kind | Jan 25 23:23 |
| MinceR | there was no such kind | Jan 25 23:24 |
| MinceR | there was a Monty Python's Flying Circus reference and a Letterkenny reference | Jan 25 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The lumberjack? | Jan 25 23:24 |
| MinceR | no | Jan 25 23:25 |
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| MinceR | strangely enough, it's not on youtube nor on vimeo | Jan 25 23:28 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: After https://youtu.be/npznWqE1uaM nothing can surprise me | Jan 25 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ШКЯ - Илюша пристегнись - YouTube | Jan 25 23:30 | |
| MinceR | https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5v0voh | Jan 25 23:31 |
| MinceR | starts around 21:00 | Jan 25 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Pythons Flying Circus S04E03 42 The Light Entertainment War - video dailymotion | Jan 25 23:31 | |
| MinceR | (the seeking UI is broken though, since it's not youtube and apparently it's awfully difficult to do video playback UI on the web properly) | Jan 25 23:31 |
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| MinceR | (and it's also awfully difficult to just leave the browser alone and let it do its thing) | Jan 25 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | 403 Forbidden? Why? | Jan 25 23:33 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: invidio.us has fine playback | Jan 25 23:34 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vs9MXEtydc | Jan 25 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Moist Definitely... (Letterkenny) - YouTube | Jan 25 23:40 | |
| XRevan86 | That's just weird. | Jan 25 23:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 25 23:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, censorship software is stupid. | Jan 25 23:57 |
| MinceR | fitting | Jan 25 23:57 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It says right on the ToS that if you start watching porn or doing anything illegal, they'll call the police. | Jan 25 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who would be dumb enough to sit there and do something in front of dozens of people? | Jan 25 23:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Someone who deserves to be arrested, I suppose. | Jan 25 23:58 |
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