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| MinceR | (note the date) https://local.theonion.com/man-just-buying-one-of-every-cleaning-product-in-case-t-1842493766 | Apr 25 01:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-local.theonion.com | Man Just Buying One Of Every Cleaning Product In Case Trump Announces It’s Coronavirus Cure | Apr 25 01:25 | |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: Sweden has very high death toll | Apr 25 01:32 |
| schestowitz | if anything, it proves lock-downs ARE nees | Apr 25 01:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: https://joindiaspora.com/p/17913476 – wait, you didn't include the conclusion, which is that he died, 10 days after that. | Apr 25 01:32 |
| schestowitz | needed | Apr 25 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | [Via XRevan86] April 3rd: https://sun9-12.userapi.com/r-qAipknbyhVc... | Apr 25 01:32 | |
| schestowitz | compare to Norway, Denmark and Finland | Apr 25 01:32 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: I saw that later | Apr 25 01:38 |
| schestowitz | finished work, catching up now | Apr 25 01:38 |
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| CrystalMath | schestowitz: there's no disaster the WHO was talking about | Apr 25 01:45 |
| schestowitz | because of lock-downs | Apr 25 01:47 |
| schestowitz | if billions contracted it, hospitals would have insufficient means | Apr 25 01:47 |
| schestowitz | anyway, you're wasting everyone's time pushing primitivism | Apr 25 01:47 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: I mentioned the death notice separately, shortly afterwards | Apr 25 01:51 |
| schestowitz | I think scientes had posted the reddit link | Apr 25 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: See it now :). No, I posted it. | Apr 25 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: scientes would've never %) | Apr 25 01:51 |
| XRevan86 | he doesn't believe in harm from it | Apr 25 01:52 |
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| schestowitz | it's 'good' to see high-profile people dying too sometimes | Apr 25 01:56 |
| schestowitz | because namedless deaths help the proponents of, "nothing to see here, fake crisis" | Apr 25 01:56 |
| schestowitz | but tbh I focus on the numbers | Apr 25 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yea, even to United Russia deputees | Apr 25 02:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/136786#comment-24738 | Apr 25 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Coming soon: Fedora on Lenovo laptops! | Tux Machines | Apr 25 02:03 | |
| MinceR | ah, finally fedora is officially at least as shitty as windows | Apr 25 02:03 |
| MinceR | i'm glad i've lived to see this moment | Apr 25 02:03 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17913771 | Apr 25 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #billgates paid far more bribing the media worldwide to paint him as a darling rather than a criminal that he is... than he spent actually tackling any health issues. He also makes a fortune by investing in #bigPharma who exploit the poor and ill with #patent #monopoly | Apr 25 02:35 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: true | Apr 25 02:35 |
| schestowitz | at least Lenovo changed a bit since DaemonFC[m] blasted them out of orbit in 2016 for bad gnu/linux support | Apr 25 02:36 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, it generated about 80 negative press articles, harming their sales and image | Apr 25 02:36 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17913758 | Apr 25 02:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #china says it has only 12 new #covid19 cases and no deaths -- same as #australia But I have lots of reasons to dispute the Chinese figures, judging by their dodgy track record (to make CCP look strong) | Apr 25 02:43 | |
| schestowitz | "China, unfortunately, is an untrustworthy source of information - in regards to many things." | Apr 25 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Esp. itself | Apr 25 02:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm glad to see that Lenovo is offering a Fedora option. Honestly, when I go to buy a new laptop, one of the things that I always hate is that I have to figure out what the done thing is these days to get Windows off of it. I have to buy new computers so infrequently that many times ten years go by between hardware purchases, because Linux still works okay. | Apr 25 02:54 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | With Classic BIOS, it was usually relatively straightforward, but uEFI PCs have added a ridiculous number of failure points, often with no upside for the user. | Apr 25 02:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: true | Apr 25 02:56 |
| schestowitz | anyway, well done to you | Apr 25 02:56 |
| schestowitz | the way I see it, the managers there still remember what happens if they enrage GNU/Linux folks | Apr 25 02:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Rianne uses a ThinkPad | Apr 25 02:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It took forever to settle down again because the firmware that went out at first was incredibly broken, and that's often just the way things are when you're near Microsoft or Apple. | Apr 25 02:57 |
| schestowitz | we didn't pay for Windows on it | Apr 25 02:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: they can reject upstream, at hardware provided level, those that don't properly support Linux | Apr 25 02:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. bootloader on board | Apr 25 02:57 |
| schestowitz | this way the hardware supply chain, like foxconn which you did a number on more than a decade ago, will suffer | Apr 25 02:58 |
| schestowitz | until they rectify things | Apr 25 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > DaemonFC: Rianne uses a ThinkPad | Apr 25 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They use pretty decent hardware. Other than the initial firmware having code that could have only been there to obstruct other operating systems, it had numerous other bugs that they went ahead and patched while they had to back that out anyway. | Apr 25 02:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a tad slow compared to mine | Apr 25 02:58 |
| schestowitz | but I have a better processor and twice the ram, 8gb total | Apr 25 02:58 |
| schestowitz | never had more than 2gb prior to this | Apr 25 02:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it wasn't just "Linux" stuff in there. There were a lot of problems that the kernel logged on boot that just went away after that update. | Apr 25 02:58 |
| schestowitz | it's actually paying off in the sense that the speed improved and I spend almost no time waiting for anything | Apr 25 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > but I have a better processor and twice the ram, 8gb total | Apr 25 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I went so long between laptops that I went from 1 GB to 16 GB. | Apr 25 02:59 |
| schestowitz | oh | Apr 25 02:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | > it's actually paying off in the sense that the speed improved and I spend almost no time waiting for anything | Apr 25 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, of course RAM isn't a constraint because so much came in this one and I use Linux. | Apr 25 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But GNOME is getting cleaned up finally in the last few cycles. | Apr 25 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's all relative though. Frees up several hundred MB but that's two browser tabs sometimes these days. :) | Apr 25 03:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi has tab suspension and lazy loading to help out though. | Apr 25 03:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I just get frustrated by people telling me there's no way to do something. | Apr 25 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You persist. You use whatever you can grab to beat people over the head and eventually they usually give you what you want to make it stop. | Apr 25 03:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sometimes the goal is to win, sometimes it's damage control, sometimes people are making a problem for you and you have no defense so you give them a bigger problem and they have to stop and go deal with that and forget about you. | Apr 25 03:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lenovo: Goal is to win and just keep bludgeoning them in various ways until they give up. Same as Foxconn. | Apr 25 03:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Court last year: Damage control. Sabotage and mislead the state and then offer them something small to make them think it's their last chance to get something from this. | Apr 25 03:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Joy (landlord in Chicago): Revenge and shut her up. Tell the city where all the skeletons are buried. Get the inspector up her ass. She has bigger problems and leaves me and John alone. | Apr 25 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The theme here is to tie your opponent in all kinds of horrible knots. | Apr 25 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Suddenly you are more trouble than you're worth. | Apr 25 03:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The prosecutor still probably has no idea of the kind of maneuvering I was doing behind the scenes. | Apr 25 03:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Suddenly his witnesses look like idiots and very unreliable. He sees me in a suit with an expensive lawyer and a temporary insanity defense about to happen. | Apr 25 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Decides he has a bad case. Offers to settle it for a song and I go away without even being convicted of anything. | Apr 25 03:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These are vicious and they're not messing around. You have to respond in kind, but always seeming polite and low key. Giving them nothing but more problems for their side. | Apr 25 03:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *people | Apr 25 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ---- | Apr 25 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the case of Linux, the people who are not very interested in defending it are the people writing and maintaining it. | Apr 25 03:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lately, they seem to be adding every bad idea the industry comes up with. | Apr 25 03:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceRis wrong though. Windows 10 is an absolute sewer that is barely fit to run the crappiest piece of trash you can find. | Apr 25 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Much less anything important. | Apr 25 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Linux cannot possibly get that bad. | Apr 25 03:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi for Android run pretty well on a Chromebook. | Apr 25 03:18 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I have a hard copy of The Art of War. | Apr 25 03:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I bought it to read over last summer while court was going on. | Apr 25 03:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Direct conflict is extremely dangerous. | Apr 25 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If I went to court and lost, I could be in jail right now dying of COVID-19 or something.. | Apr 25 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The goal was never to win. It was to deceive the other side into thinking court could be a major disaster for them and then negotiating a surrender that was much more lenient. | Apr 25 03:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Proxy war is always better. | Apr 25 03:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It forces your losses onto someone else or unwittingly has them making an effort that hurts your enemy without ever realizing you exist and are influencing them. | Apr 25 03:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or your enemy knows it is you behind the scenes but you have deniability or the proxy gives you legal protections against reprisal. | Apr 25 03:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Russia operates this way when it takes over a territory. | Apr 25 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It makes it look like a grassroots uprising that they had nothing to do with. | Apr 25 03:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they come in to "ensure that things stay peaceful" and then "ensure an orderly transition" from being an unrecognized satellite state to being a Russian Oblast. | Apr 25 03:32 |
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| ICONOCLAST | I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SCREEN SHOTS OF THE EMAILS SEND TO YOU FROM THE POLICE SAYING THEY ARE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE FOI REQUEST. I'M AM STARTING TO GET SUSPICIOUS OF YOU AFTER READING YOUR SERIES. | Apr 25 04:17 |
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| ICONOCLASTRADIO | I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SCREEN SHOTS OF THE EMAILS SENT TO YOU FROM THE POLICE SAYING THEY ARE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE FOI REQUEST. I'M AM STARTING TO GET SUSPICIOUS OF YOU AFTER READING YOUR SERIES. | Apr 25 04:21 |
| smnthermes | ICONOCLASTRADIO: Wut? | Apr 25 04:22 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | CAN YOU NOT READ? | Apr 25 04:23 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | THE SERIES WAS ASA BAD AS ANYTHING MAINSTREAM. NOTHING IN IT THAT SAYS ANYTHING REALLY EXPOSING. | Apr 25 04:26 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | THE ONE THING THAT WOULD IS THE POLICE REPORT AND THIS GUY HAS NOT SHOWN ONE EMAIL, OR CALL FOR PEOPLE THAT READ THE SERIES TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE SUPPOSED STONE WALLING OF THE POLICE. EVERYTHING IS REALLY WEAK, AND WHAT WOULD STOP GATES FROM PAYING OFF THIS GUY TO SHILL AND KEEP PEOPLE STALLED OUT? | Apr 25 04:29 |
| schestowitz | you can use lowercase, this style is seen as shouting | Apr 25 04:29 |
| schestowitz | there are already screenshots | Apr 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | e.g. techrights.org/2020/03/11/seattle-pd-query/ | Apr 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | and more on the subject in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique#2020 | Apr 25 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Apr 25 04:31 | |
| schestowitz | (tip: in IRC people will perceive all CAPS or ALL CAPS as shouting and would be less likely to help you) | Apr 25 04:32 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | what about organising a protest out in front of the police station demanding to stop stone walling and release the police report? | Apr 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | that's possible, except not at this time due to lock-downs | Apr 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | And Seattle was first to be hard-hit | Apr 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | I doubt the police FOIA staff even work inside the office, maybe at best they work from home at some capacity | Apr 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | also, if you want me to look for it, there was recently a press report about how PDs used the pandemic to stall or slow down existing FOIA cases | Apr 25 04:34 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU&feature=emb_title | Apr 25 04:35 |
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| schestowitz | I am wary of youtube videos | Apr 25 04:36 |
| schestowitz | not seen this one yet | Apr 25 04:36 |
| schestowitz | but I saw some which discredit exploration into the case | Apr 25 04:36 |
| schestowitz | either by alienating media | Apr 25 04:36 |
| schestowitz | or... | Apr 25 04:36 |
| schestowitz | by discouraging police dept. from complying | Apr 25 04:37 |
| schestowitz | why you ask? | Apr 25 04:37 |
| schestowitz | because they can come up with excuses like... | Apr 25 04:37 |
| schestowitz | requesters are a bunch of people who spread falsehoods, so we don't want to play ball | Apr 25 04:37 |
| *schestowitz opens video now | Apr 25 04:38 | |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | why is there no info on this rick jones? | Apr 25 04:38 |
| schestowitz | we tried to find more | Apr 25 04:38 |
| schestowitz | we find a person with the same name at Microsoft | Apr 25 04:38 |
| schestowitz | also, we posted some info in IRC only | Apr 25 04:38 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | why is he not listed on the sex offender registry? | Apr 25 04:38 |
| schestowitz | doxing the person would likely not serve our cause | Apr 25 04:38 |
| schestowitz | ICONOCLASTRADIO: search the registry | Apr 25 04:38 |
| schestowitz | I'm told he's not in it | Apr 25 04:38 |
| schestowitz | nationally or state-level | Apr 25 04:39 |
| schestowitz | we know the full name | Apr 25 04:39 |
| schestowitz | and the court verdict can be found online | Apr 25 04:39 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | why is there no pictures? | Apr 25 04:39 |
| schestowitz | but you will need to pay for it, not sure they'll ship anything under COVID | Apr 25 04:39 |
| schestowitz | ICONOCLASTRADIO: common name | Apr 25 04:39 |
| schestowitz | i guess | Apr 25 04:39 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | why is there no picture of this creature? | Apr 25 04:40 |
| schestowitz | I bet some photos exist somewhere, but it's easy to mistake this person for others with the same name | Apr 25 04:40 |
| schestowitz | ICONOCLASTRADIO: good luck finding some | Apr 25 04:40 |
| schestowitz | if you do, let us know | Apr 25 04:40 |
| schestowitz | but be sure it's the same person, you don't want to associate the crimes with an innocent man somewhere | Apr 25 04:40 |
| schestowitz | he's in his 50s iirc | Apr 25 04:40 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | what about intelius, and his sisters. | Apr 25 04:41 |
| schestowitz | ? | Apr 25 04:41 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | there was a man his age that died in maryville,TN, and his body was brought back to cali where his sisters live. | Apr 25 04:42 |
| schestowitz | we have photos of the police staff http://techrights.org/2020/03/26/medina-lost-in-the-mail/ | Apr 25 04:42 |
| schestowitz | and could add links for more info about them | Apr 25 04:42 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, we left out some links to not perpetuate the idea we 'violate' their 'privacy' | Apr 25 04:42 |
| schestowitz | ICONOCLASTRADIO: any links on that? | Apr 25 04:43 |
| schestowitz | afaik, he was alive not too long ago as his probation was discussed in court | Apr 25 04:43 |
| ICONOCLASTRADIO | https://hanfordsentinel.com/news/local/obituaries/rick-allen-jones/article_56eb0e59-3164-50c8-8171-6a604acce451.html | Apr 25 04:44 |
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| ICONOCLASTRADIO | https://www.intelius.com/people-search/Rick-Jones/WA?fullname=rick%20jones | Apr 25 04:47 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 | Apr 25 04:48 |
| schestowitz | Tacoma, WA | Apr 25 04:49 |
| schestowitz | Gig Harbor, WA | Apr 25 04:49 |
| schestowitz | Lakewood, WA | Apr 25 04:49 |
| schestowitz | doesn't sound close to where he lived | Apr 25 04:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 25 04:50 |
| schestowitz | Rick Allen Jones | Apr 25 04:50 |
| schestowitz | AGE: 50 | Apr 25 04:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 25 04:50 |
| schestowitz | This one? | Apr 25 04:50 |
| schestowitz | "WORKED AT" does not reveal anything relevant | Apr 25 04:51 |
| schestowitz | I cannot open the first link, they break EU law (GDPR) and thus block my IP | Apr 25 04:52 |
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| CrystalMath | <schestowitz> because of lock-downs <- no because there are no lockdowns in sweden | Apr 25 05:26 |
| CrystalMath | please don't be ridiculous, you cannot thank lockdowns for the lack of a disaster when there are no lockdowns | Apr 25 05:27 |
| schestowitz | hence so many deaths | Apr 25 05:27 |
| CrystalMath | there's no disaster | Apr 25 05:27 |
| schestowitz | lots of deaths there, per capita | Apr 25 05:27 |
| schestowitz | check | Apr 25 05:27 |
| CrystalMath | and everyone is fine | Apr 25 05:27 |
| schestowitz | there is high death toll in sweden | Apr 25 05:27 |
| CrystalMath | i never said there wouldn't be deaths | Apr 25 05:27 |
| schestowitz | over 100 dead yesterday | Apr 25 05:27 |
| CrystalMath | there's no collapse of the healthcare system | Apr 25 05:27 |
| schestowitz | scandinavia countries that locked down did like 10 times better | Apr 25 05:28 |
| schestowitz | 5-10 times less casualties | Apr 25 05:28 |
| CrystalMath | like belgium | Apr 25 05:28 |
| CrystalMath | with 6,679 deaths | Apr 25 05:28 |
| schestowitz | belgium is worst in europe | Apr 25 05:28 |
| schestowitz | and not scandinavia | Apr 25 05:28 |
| CrystalMath | the netherlands, with 4,289 deaths (but their lockdown is soft) | Apr 25 05:28 |
| schestowitz | (worst except san marino, which is tiny) | Apr 25 05:28 |
| CrystalMath | sweden seems to be fine, with only 2,152 | Apr 25 05:28 |
| schestowitz | our lock-down is also soft | Apr 25 05:29 |
| schestowitz | no, | Apr 25 05:29 |
| schestowitz | per capita | Apr 25 05:29 |
| schestowitz | check per capita | Apr 25 05:29 |
| CrystalMath | deaths per 1M, 213 | Apr 25 05:29 |
| CrystalMath | sweden it's any worse than ireland | Apr 25 05:30 |
| CrystalMath | *isn't any | Apr 25 05:30 |
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| CrystalMath | also, even if there were many deaths per capita | Apr 25 05:31 |
| CrystalMath | that isn't showing any failure of anything in sweden | Apr 25 05:32 |
| CrystalMath | everything is working fine | Apr 25 05:32 |
| schestowitz | Sweden is at #10 | Apr 25 05:33 |
| schestowitz | not good | Apr 25 05:34 |
| schestowitz | and they have an affluent health system | Apr 25 05:34 |
| schestowitz | compare to finland, norway, denmark | Apr 25 05:34 |
| schestowitz | do it.. | Apr 25 05:34 |
| CrystalMath | the burden of proof is on the belief that locking down is required | Apr 25 05:36 |
| CrystalMath | as long as i see no catastrophe in sweden, i will default to no-lockdown being preferred | Apr 25 05:36 |
| CrystalMath | because you should never do a lockdown for no reason | Apr 25 05:36 |
| CrystalMath | it has serious consequences for the economy | Apr 25 05:36 |
| schestowitz | Sweden would maybe lose 500 people with a lockdown | Apr 25 05:37 |
| CrystalMath | and how much money | Apr 25 05:37 |
| schestowitz | and we have not yet seen how many more remain to die there | Apr 25 05:37 |
| schestowitz | fuck money | Apr 25 05:37 |
| CrystalMath | which results in how many more dead | Apr 25 05:37 |
| schestowitz | we don't care about that.. | Apr 25 05:37 |
| schestowitz | without people there's no money, either | Apr 25 05:37 |
| CrystalMath | yes but those 1,500 | Apr 25 05:37 |
| CrystalMath | were clearly not very important | Apr 25 05:38 |
| schestowitz | and without confidence in the public health morale is low, too | Apr 25 05:38 |
| schestowitz | they're important to their loved ones | Apr 25 05:38 |
| CrystalMath | because they're gone and we fail to see a shred of difference in the world | Apr 25 05:38 |
| schestowitz | go to the hospital and tell people to their face they're "not important" | Apr 25 05:38 |
| CrystalMath | while, locking down causes a great deal | Apr 25 05:38 |
| schestowitz | yeah, well... better than bombs falling from the sky | Apr 25 05:38 |
| schestowitz | the work can resume | Apr 25 05:39 |
| CrystalMath | i don't find it hypocritical, actually | Apr 25 05:39 |
| CrystalMath | it's okay to miss your loved ones | Apr 25 05:39 |
| schestowitz | some people agree with you | Apr 25 05:39 |
| CrystalMath | and at the same time believe that their deaths will not cause any huge problem | Apr 25 05:39 |
| schestowitz | people who don't value people ( | Apr 25 05:39 |
| schestowitz | (not even themselves... they smoke and drink heavily) | Apr 25 05:39 |
| CrystalMath | i realize that there's a conflict here | Apr 25 05:39 |
| schestowitz | like those "liberation" marches in the US | Apr 25 05:39 |
| CrystalMath | i support #ReopenUSA | Apr 25 05:40 |
| schestowitz | In early days nazi Germany they decided to also kill the "burden" | Apr 25 05:40 |
| schestowitz | "starvation rooms" | Apr 25 05:40 |
| CrystalMath | starvation has a much higher death count than COVID-19 | Apr 25 05:40 |
| schestowitz | reopenUSA is funded by oligarchs | Apr 25 05:40 |
| CrystalMath | i would rather expose everyone to COVID-19 than to starvation | Apr 25 05:40 |
| schestowitz | they just want to get back to making lots of $ | Apr 25 05:40 |
| CrystalMath | in fact i think COVID-19 is not so bad | Apr 25 05:41 |
| schestowitz | and their astroturf appeals to primitivists who discard public health and support tribalism | Apr 25 05:41 |
| CrystalMath | things don't fall from the sky | Apr 25 05:42 |
| CrystalMath | the economy is real and money has to be made | Apr 25 05:42 |
| CrystalMath | without it, there will be hunger | Apr 25 05:42 |
| CrystalMath | and famine | Apr 25 05:42 |
| CrystalMath | and who knows how many diseases will take lives then | Apr 25 05:43 |
| CrystalMath | you can't force doctors to work for free if they're too busy dying of hunger, you know | Apr 25 05:43 |
| CrystalMath | the only thing force leads to, is running out of bullets | Apr 25 05:43 |
| CrystalMath | and then being toppled down like the soviet union was | Apr 25 05:44 |
| CrystalMath | socialism is a great evil that bases itself on comfortable lies | Apr 25 05:44 |
| CrystalMath | the uncomfortable truth is, people must die | Apr 25 05:45 |
| CrystalMath | the sooner it's accepted, the better | Apr 25 05:45 |
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| schestowitz | lol | Apr 25 05:51 |
| schestowitz | welcome to youtube | Apr 25 05:51 |
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| CrystalMath | https://russia-insider.com/en/game-over-swedish-belarus-covid-herd-immunity-strategy-has-won/ri29837 | Apr 25 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-russia-insider.com | GAME OVER: The Swedish - Belarus COVID Herd Immunity Strategy Has Won | Apr 25 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | Sweden has high death rates | Apr 25 05:57 |
| schestowitz | esp. in recent weeks | Apr 25 05:58 |
| schestowitz | so this premise is false | Apr 25 05:58 |
| schestowitz | even Belarus is now proven false | Apr 25 05:58 |
| schestowitz | and seems like it might move to lock-down soon | Apr 25 05:58 |
| schestowitz | we mentioned it here days ago | Apr 25 05:58 |
| schestowitz | anyway, enough with those one-nickle shitposts | Apr 25 05:58 |
| schestowitz | too much looney stuff in the channel today | Apr 25 05:58 |
| schestowitz | bbl | Apr 25 05:58 |
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| oiaohm | CrystalMath: also those numbers look nicely false. mortality 0.25%<< Australia had full cruse ships with infected people that we tested all of them. The death rate from those was somewhere between 1 to 2 percent of infected. Might be correct for over all if only 1/3 of population gets infected and it stops there. | Apr 25 06:38 |
| CrystalMath | cruise ships tend to have older people | Apr 25 06:39 |
| oiaohm | Not the party ships | Apr 25 06:40 |
| oiaohm | The party ships are generally closer to your normally populations spread. | Apr 25 06:41 |
| oiaohm | So they turn out to be very good modeling. | Apr 25 06:41 |
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| oiaohm | CrystalMath: There are two things that make the hurd immunity idea into a possible hugh stupid mistake. 1) covid-19 can be frozen so can be in cold storage in every person freezer. 2) how long does Covid-19 immunity last. Flu vaccines most of them only give you 4 months of protection against X list of virus before the human body forgets. | Apr 25 06:46 |
| CrystalMath | tbh i was mostly praising the approach because it saves the economy | Apr 25 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Has it. | Apr 25 06:47 |
| oiaohm | If you get repeating waves of covid-19 with increasing death toll due to repeated lung damage you have not saves your economy you have doomed it. | Apr 25 06:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically way to soon to tell. | Apr 25 06:48 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: please note Spanish flu did in fact do repeated waves so defeating hurd immunity idea. History of virus infections is really important to read up on. | Apr 25 07:02 |
| oiaohm | Modern day we have seen it with measles in areas that don't use the vaccine that 100 percent makes sure of long term immunity. | Apr 25 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Immunity duration is a very important factor if hurd immunity is a option or path to failure. | Apr 25 07:04 |
| oiaohm | The bad part is Hurd immunity can appear to be working when you are really on a ticking timebomb of fail. | Apr 25 07:06 |
| CrystalMath | actually | Apr 25 07:10 |
| CrystalMath | regarding the spanish flu | Apr 25 07:10 |
| CrystalMath | those who had it in the first wave did not get it again | Apr 25 07:10 |
| CrystalMath | antibodies do last, they just don't work against mutations | Apr 25 07:10 |
| CrystalMath | the flu vaccine fails because the flu mutates really well | Apr 25 07:11 |
| CrystalMath | and so does covid-19 | Apr 25 07:11 |
| CrystalMath | honestly covid-19 is better at it | Apr 25 07:11 |
| CrystalMath | so maybe not even herd immunity will work, that remains a possibility | Apr 25 07:11 |
| CrystalMath | but with the flu, herd immunity works | Apr 25 07:11 |
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| CrystalMath | i guess we need hindsight to know | Apr 25 07:13 |
| CrystalMath | goodnight | Apr 25 07:13 |
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| schestowitz | Back to his meth | Apr 25 07:13 |
| oiaohm | spanish flu had 3 strains. So those who had the first wave did get the 4 and 5 waves. | Apr 25 07:14 |
| schestowitz | [07:04] <oiaohm> Immunity duration is a very important factor if hurd immunity is a option or path to failure. | Apr 25 07:16 |
| schestowitz | gnu hurd? | Apr 25 07:16 |
| schestowitz | I herd you like hurd so I gave you herd immunity | Apr 25 07:17 |
| oiaohm | Sorry brain had wrong word. Mind you some of the ways Gnu hurd was a problem child to get work does align to why Herd immunity fails. | Apr 25 07:18 |
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| MinceR | > uEFI PCs have added a ridiculous number of failure points, | Apr 25 12:33 |
| MinceR | which is why i always made sure my pcs had legacy boot :> | Apr 25 12:33 |
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| MinceR | 25 041645 < DaemonFC[m]> Linux cannot possibly get that bad. | Apr 25 12:34 |
| MinceR | just watch gkh. | Apr 25 12:34 |
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| MinceR | kdbus failed, but now he calls the shots | Apr 25 12:34 |
| schestowitz | why do you blame that on him? | Apr 25 12:34 |
| MinceR | blame what? | Apr 25 12:34 |
| schestowitz | I cannot remember the pertinent involvement | Apr 25 12:35 |
| schestowitz | btu... | Apr 25 12:35 |
| schestowitz | but iirc he wanted to add kdbus | Apr 25 12:35 |
| MinceR | gkh wanted to add it, yes | Apr 25 12:35 |
| schestowitz | and iirc that brings systemd with it in some form | Apr 25 12:35 |
| MinceR | when he was second in command | Apr 25 12:35 |
| schestowitz | he still is afaik | Apr 25 12:35 |
| schestowitz | who else? | Apr 25 12:35 |
| MinceR | it depended solely on Linus that Linux wasn't fucked up with kdbus back then | Apr 25 12:35 |
| MinceR | now Linus is merely decoration | Apr 25 12:35 |
| schestowitz | he was first in comment just over a year ago | Apr 25 12:35 |
| MinceR | yes, officially | Apr 25 12:36 |
| schestowitz | but in LF Microsoft is always sfirst in the chain of command | Apr 25 12:36 |
| MinceR | now he's unofficially so | Apr 25 12:36 |
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| MinceR | and microsoft loves "just throw it in the kernel" | Apr 25 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds is in the passenger seat, but he is still in denial about it | Apr 25 12:36 |
| MinceR | it helps reduce their competitive disadvantage | Apr 25 12:36 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Apr 25 12:36 |
| schestowitz | let's see if Linux quits | Apr 25 12:36 |
| schestowitz | then the media will call him names | Apr 25 12:36 |
| schestowitz | like it did RMS | Apr 25 12:36 |
| schestowitz | to make sure people stay with CharlaZemlin | Apr 25 12:37 |
| schestowitz | *Linus quits | Apr 25 12:37 |
| schestowitz | well, it's easy to mistype | Apr 25 12:37 |
| schestowitz | but Linux is no longer a Linus thing | Apr 25 12:37 |
| schestowitz | they just sound similar | Apr 25 12:37 |
| schestowitz | like Linux Foundation sounds similar to Linux | Apr 25 12:37 |
| schestowitz | but it has not much to do with Linux | Apr 25 12:37 |
| MinceR | maybe they won't even let him quit | Apr 25 12:38 |
| schestowitz | they can't force him to stay | Apr 25 12:38 |
| MinceR | it has much to do with Linux, it's just that they're opposed to it | Apr 25 12:38 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to see the paper he signed with his law firm over the trademarks | Apr 25 12:38 |
| MinceR | they can force him to do anything | Apr 25 12:38 |
| schestowitz | I assume ODSL wasn't handed over the trademark | Apr 25 12:38 |
| schestowitz | and thre's a TM page in the LF site | Apr 25 12:38 |
| MinceR | they might be blackmailing him with anything | Apr 25 12:38 |
| MinceR | maybe SJW stuff, that's definitely their style | Apr 25 12:38 |
| schestowitz | I think he still has full "rights" over the name | Apr 25 12:38 |
| schestowitz | he can even force LF to rename and take away the project from them | Apr 25 12:39 |
| schestowitz | BEFORE they outsource it to ShitHub | Apr 25 12:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I heard that theory | Apr 25 12:39 |
| schestowitz | about what leverage they might have | Apr 25 12:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe The New Yorker (Conde Nast) was a warning shot to him | Apr 25 12:39 |
| schestowitz | "We got you by the balls" so play nice for Zemlin et al | Apr 25 12:39 |
| schestowitz | it's not outlandish a theory | Apr 25 12:40 |
| schestowitz | companies do that a lot | Apr 25 12:40 |
| schestowitz | esp. when they fear someone who leaves might 'disparage' the company | Apr 25 12:40 |
| schestowitz | and then gets the person to sign something, usually with some time-delayed cash associated with it | Apr 25 12:40 |
| schestowitz | they get the CFOs to sign those things, to help hide how badly they really do financially | Apr 25 12:41 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/Ljh0Ljd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/JA6itEQ.jpg | Apr 25 12:46 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: https://facebook.com/eliz.hospital/photos/a.1954568551431236/2740043419550408 another non-victim to this non-pandemic totally harmless virus. | Apr 25 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Скончался Сергей Белошицкий Сегодня в... - Елизаветинская больница | Facebook | Apr 25 13:47 | |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: daily update: https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-belarus-everyday-life-is-much-the-same-as-coronavirus-spreads-11587812401 | Apr 25 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-In Belarus, Everyday Life Is Much the Same as Coronavirus Spreads - WSJ | Apr 25 13:47 | |
| CrystalMath | Belarus: as of 2020-04-25, no lockdown | Apr 25 13:48 |
| CrystalMath | i will be tracking it every day, since you said "they will lockdown soon" | Apr 25 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | 63 → 67 | Apr 25 13:49 |
| CrystalMath | Brazil is unlocking, and quite fast | Apr 25 13:50 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3863957/ the idea that you had spanish flu once you were safe. As what as docunement here on one island 92 had Spanish flu twice. These double infections is what leads to the CSIRO in Australia find that we have two different ways our immune system records infection agents. | Apr 25 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov | Does homologous reinfection drive multiple-wave influenza outbreaks? Accounting for immunodynamics in epidemiological models | Apr 25 13:55 | |
| oiaohm | Most modern Flu vaccines in Australia use the temporary system. Where body makes anti-bodies against the Flu for 90 to 120 days before forgetting about it completely. | Apr 25 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically human body has long term record of infection agents and short term record. Question now is those with light covid-19 infections long term or short term protection. | Apr 25 13:57 |
| CrystalMath | well, there is no certainty that any antibody will be permanent | Apr 25 14:03 |
| CrystalMath | it is possible flush them all out, with something like rituximab | Apr 25 14:04 |
| CrystalMath | also, HIV/AIDS can bringt T-cells down | Apr 25 14:04 |
| CrystalMath | *bring | Apr 25 14:04 |
| CrystalMath | to the point that B-cells don't matter | Apr 25 14:04 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/10/31/measles-makes-your-body-forget-how-fight-other-diseases/ | Apr 25 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Measles virus infection destroys immune system memory, increasing vulnerability to other diseases - The Washington Post | Apr 25 14:05 | |
| CrystalMath | another fun fact | Apr 25 14:05 |
| CrystalMath | it's just easy to lose antibodies | Apr 25 14:05 |
| CrystalMath | but most people who've had spanish flu could never get it again | Apr 25 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Those 92 islanders and other cases like it there was no Measles or anything else in the mix. | Apr 25 14:06 |
| oiaohm | About 1 in 5 who got spanish flu could get it again. | Apr 25 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Without any other outside factors at play. | Apr 25 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Of course that ratio is different virus to virus. | Apr 25 14:07 |
| CrystalMath | influenzavirus also causes lymphocytopenia | Apr 25 14:07 |
| CrystalMath | which could explain it | Apr 25 14:07 |
| CrystalMath | as it means sometimes you can't form permanent antibodies | Apr 25 14:07 |
| CrystalMath | because of that | Apr 25 14:07 |
| CrystalMath | COVID-19 does the same thing | Apr 25 14:08 |
| CrystalMath | even more strongly, it seems | Apr 25 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. Covid-19 has all the marking of possible really short immunity. | Apr 25 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Herd immunity of course will never work if that is the case. | Apr 25 14:08 |
| oiaohm | It will be appearing to work at first of course. | Apr 25 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Of course if it has short immunity we will only find out how bad having the virus multi times is once people have had it multi times. | Apr 25 14:11 |
| oiaohm | This is the big problem of the unknowns at the moment. | Apr 25 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Countries are basically having to place their bets. Do they lock down with heavy quarantine social distancing because they suspect stopping this virus is going to down right hard particular if any vaccine turns out to be sort term. Or do they let it go and pray long term immunity is the common out come. | Apr 25 14:18 |
| CrystalMath | nicaragua joins the no-shutdown brigade :) | Apr 25 14:19 |
| oiaohm | This is really a world wide gambling competition at the momement. | Apr 25 14:20 |
| CrystalMath | what i don't like is so many betting on lockdowns | Apr 25 14:22 |
| CrystalMath | very dangerous | Apr 25 14:22 |
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| CrystalMath | it may actually even be better to let millions die | Apr 25 14:22 |
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| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Nicaragua Nicargua population breakdown they don't have many over 65. | Apr 25 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Demographics of Nicaragua - Wikipedia | Apr 25 14:22 | |
| oiaohm | The number of people you have over 65 is a factor. | Apr 25 14:23 |
| CrystalMath | true | Apr 25 14:23 |
| oiaohm | If those get ill and cripple you hospital system you have a really big problems. | Apr 25 14:23 |
| oiaohm | that result in other things causing deaths as well. | Apr 25 14:23 |
| oiaohm | due to lack of treatment. | Apr 25 14:24 |
| CrystalMath | you can also decline to treat them | Apr 25 14:24 |
| CrystalMath | another reason to legalize euthanasia, as it may be painful without it | Apr 25 14:24 |
| oiaohm | That still leaves the dead bodies to deal with before it causes other illnesses. | Apr 25 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Most countries can only safely deal with a death rate under a particular value as well. | Apr 25 14:25 |
| oiaohm | This is not something you want to be in charge of as it complex and not simple. | Apr 25 14:26 |
| oiaohm | with you having to make judgement calls without all the information. | Apr 25 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Letting the virus go is not without is risks. Lockdown is also not without is long term issues. | Apr 25 14:27 |
| CrystalMath | personally i think we need someone very coldhearted to lead | Apr 25 14:27 |
| CrystalMath | who would force everything to continue and burn the dead | Apr 25 14:27 |
| oiaohm | No you don't want to burn the dead. | Apr 25 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Not without proper processing. | Apr 25 14:27 |
| CrystalMath | what sort of processing? | Apr 25 14:28 |
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| oiaohm | China cremated process for covid-19 bodies have them burn at a high enough temperures and with the correct exhaust filtering. << don't know if you got that. | Apr 25 14:30 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: basically just burn the bodies and they are not burnt hot enough you could just spread covid-19 instead of containing it. | Apr 25 14:31 |
| CrystalMath | what's the point? | Apr 25 14:31 |
| CrystalMath | my system would allow COVID-19 to spread | Apr 25 14:31 |
| CrystalMath | far and wide | Apr 25 14:31 |
| CrystalMath | everyone would get it | Apr 25 14:32 |
| CrystalMath | we just have a space problem for all the dead | Apr 25 14:32 |
| oiaohm | What if no one gets long term immunity and it goes around and around and around. | Apr 25 14:32 |
| CrystalMath | then 1% constantly die | Apr 25 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Does it remain at 1% | Apr 25 14:32 |
| CrystalMath | sooner or later we'll evolve | Apr 25 14:32 |
| oiaohm | or does that increase every time you had it. | Apr 25 14:32 |
| CrystalMath | to be immune :P | Apr 25 14:33 |
| MinceR | 1% per what period of time? | Apr 25 14:33 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: give it 100 years | Apr 25 14:33 |
| CrystalMath | we may find a cure, anyway | Apr 25 14:33 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: its more like 25 years at 1% with repeated infection until everyone dead. | Apr 25 14:33 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: personally i have reasons to believe the death rate is only 0.1% | Apr 25 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Remember is roughtly 4 times a year if you don't have long term immunity to get it again. | Apr 25 14:34 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: look this virus is not that dangerous | Apr 25 14:34 |
| CrystalMath | Belarus is doing nothing | Apr 25 14:34 |
| CrystalMath | they're not all dead | Apr 25 14:34 |
| CrystalMath | nor does it look like it's heading for that | Apr 25 14:34 |
| oiaohm | It would not look that way yet. | Apr 25 14:35 |
| MinceR | > everyone dead | Apr 25 14:36 |
| MinceR | sounds good to me | Apr 25 14:36 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: Belarus is not doing nothing. https://www.thehour.com/news/article/No-lockdown-here-Belarus-strongman-rejects-15162113.php They are doing heavy contract tracing and isolation. South Korea has got that process to work without lockdowns. | Apr 25 14:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thehour.com | No lockdown here: Belarus' strongman rejects coronavirus risks. He suggests saunas and vodka. - The Hour | Apr 25 14:40 | |
| oiaohm | But remember South Korea got on to the problem early. | Apr 25 14:41 |
| oiaohm | As soon as the WHO annonced it South Korea started contact tracing and isolation on those entering contry. | Apr 25 14:41 |
| MinceR | https://apina.biz/55791.jpg?mode=sfw | Apr 25 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: kurt cobin... | Apr 25 14:43 |
| schestowitz | cobain | Apr 25 14:43 |
| schestowitz | (iirc) | Apr 25 14:43 |
| schestowitz | unless it's misattributed to him | Apr 25 14:43 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/659102.jpg | Apr 25 14:53 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: i see nothing wrong with finding the sick | Apr 25 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | they're also testing adequately | Apr 25 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | which is great | Apr 25 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | however, life carries on as normal | Apr 25 15:06 |
| CrystalMath | also, i don't think it's possible for COVID-19 to wipe out humanity | Apr 25 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | the plague couldn't | Apr 25 15:07 |
| CrystalMath | much less this measely cold | Apr 25 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Problem is what you said I don't think we don't have data on exactly how dangerous COVID-19 is. But the existing numbers say higher than your normal Colds and Flu. | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | :( | Apr 25 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Problem is how much higher. | Apr 25 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Working out how much higher needs the extra information if reinfection is possible and if that gets more lethal or not.... of course Covid-19 has not been around long enough for us to have all that data yet. | Apr 25 15:11 |
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| oiaohm | CrystalMath: horrible problem is once we have the data on how lethal COVID-19 really is if you have guessed wrong by guessing covid-19 is less lethal than what is correcting the position could be next to impossible. Those who guess the other way will only have extra economic cost. Basically its place you bets. | Apr 25 15:15 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/qKT3i7I.jpeg | Apr 25 15:16 |
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| oiaohm | And it is possible to roll a form of snake eyes that the groups doing lockdown have over reacted so cost themself a lot containing and those doing nothing screwed. Basically you have lockdown with contact trace, Contact trace with boarder quartine restrictions and do nothing as your three options to place your bets on. | Apr 25 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Do nothing I don't see as a sane or safe bet. | Apr 25 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Too much risk with that option of having your medical and burial systems over flowing. | Apr 25 15:23 |
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| CrystalMath | https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-is-returning-to-make-the-toughest-call-of-his-life-5pg85hmwz | Apr 25 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thetimes.co.uk | Boris Johnson is returning to make the toughest call of his life | News | The Times | Apr 25 15:36 | |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: the UK will ease restrictions as well | Apr 25 15:36 |
| CrystalMath | which is understable, considering they must | Apr 25 15:36 |
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| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://www.ft.com/content/67e6a4ee-3d05-43bc-ba03-e239799fa6ab Really UK could be past the point of no return. | Apr 25 15:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UK coronavirus deaths more than double official figure, according to FT study | Free to read | Financial Times | Apr 25 15:39 | |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: then if no disaster happens in the UK, i was right? | Apr 25 15:40 |
| CrystalMath | since i would bet on "the virus is mostly harmless" | Apr 25 15:40 |
| CrystalMath | how wrong i was, must be expressed in an INTEGER number of millions dead | Apr 25 15:41 |
| CrystalMath | right now, that number is 0 | Apr 25 15:41 |
| CrystalMath | without a million dead i won't even consider the virus is deadly | Apr 25 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Past point of no return is part the point you can use contact tracing and lockdown to effectively stop the virus. | Apr 25 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Its the problem of covid-19 being able to live in ice. | Apr 25 15:43 |
| CrystalMath | ah, that's what you meant | Apr 25 15:43 |
| CrystalMath | it can't live in ice | Apr 25 15:43 |
| oiaohm | 95 percent dies when frozen 5 percent survives. | Apr 25 15:43 |
| oiaohm | This is already documented. | Apr 25 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Of course that 5 percent is enough to be infecting and start the mess up again. | Apr 25 15:44 |
| CrystalMath | i don't see why you would want to extinct COVID-19 | Apr 25 15:44 |
| CrystalMath | honestly it's not that dangerous | Apr 25 15:45 |
| CrystalMath | it's like saying the fate of humanity depends on eradicating the common cold | Apr 25 15:45 |
| CrystalMath | it's really not that bad | Apr 25 15:45 |
| CrystalMath | and there's WAY too many people | Apr 25 15:45 |
| oiaohm | We have common cold spread numbers from cruse ships and death rates as well. | Apr 25 15:45 |
| CrystalMath | sure | Apr 25 15:46 |
| oiaohm | That does not read as a 1 to 2 percent death rate as COVID-19 does. | Apr 25 15:46 |
| CrystalMath | but nobody is afraid of it | Apr 25 15:46 |
| oiaohm | from cruse ships. | Apr 25 15:46 |
| CrystalMath | yes but the world has 7.7 billion | Apr 25 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Common cold death rate on cruse ships is 0.01 percent. | Apr 25 15:46 |
| CrystalMath | if 3 billion die, we still won't go below the level of the 1960s | Apr 25 15:46 |
| oiaohm | We are talking quite a difference here. | Apr 25 15:47 |
| CrystalMath | 2% of the world dying | Apr 25 15:47 |
| CrystalMath | means 7.5 billion left | Apr 25 15:47 |
| oiaohm | We don't know if covid-19 will stop at only 2% dead yet. | Apr 25 15:47 |
| CrystalMath | that's not enough to save us from overpopulation | Apr 25 15:47 |
| oiaohm | That the problem. | Apr 25 15:48 |
| CrystalMath | if it was 10% dead like SARS | Apr 25 15:48 |
| CrystalMath | we'd be left with 7 billion | Apr 25 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Sars multi infected to get up to 10% | Apr 25 15:48 |
| CrystalMath | still too much | Apr 25 15:48 |
| oiaohm | before it was contained. | Apr 25 15:48 |
| CrystalMath | too many people remain, not die | Apr 25 15:48 |
| XRevan86 | I'm surprised no one thought of "SARS-CoV-2 doesn't kill people, people kill people". | Apr 25 15:48 |
| CrystalMath | 7 billion will be left, the world will barely be set back to the 2000s | Apr 25 15:49 |
| CrystalMath | it will still be overpopulated | Apr 25 15:49 |
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| CrystalMath | back in the 2000s, i believed the world is overpopulated | Apr 25 15:49 |
| CrystalMath | and now its even more so | Apr 25 15:49 |
| CrystalMath | it's sickening | Apr 25 15:49 |
| CrystalMath | COVID-19 can't even cure overpopulation, much less kill us all | Apr 25 15:50 |
| MinceR | "Guns don't kill people, I do!" | Apr 25 15:50 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: guns don't kill people, try harder! | Apr 25 15:51 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Apr 25 15:51 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: maybe the coronavirus measures have a better chance at reducing overpopulation, not that i think about it :D | Apr 25 15:51 |
| CrystalMath | *now that | Apr 25 15:51 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: "Only my weapon understands me!" | Apr 25 15:52 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: by try harder i mean, use nukes, A-bombs, etc... | Apr 25 15:52 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: when it comes to over population first wave of covid-19 will basically do nothing long term as it almost killing zero of the breading population. | Apr 25 15:53 |
| CrystalMath | but the economic crisis will | Apr 25 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Question is what are covid-19 next waves of infection look like. | Apr 25 15:54 |
| CrystalMath | the world CANNOT handle this | Apr 25 15:54 |
| oiaohm | No its us humans are are bad at handling this. | Apr 25 15:54 |
| CrystalMath | the current lockdowns are enough to kill way more than 10% | Apr 25 15:54 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: well who else are you working for? | Apr 25 15:55 |
| CrystalMath | Sarbecovirus? | Apr 25 15:55 |
| CrystalMath | i say we can make a deal, between humans and SARS-CoV-2 | Apr 25 15:55 |
| CrystalMath | it gets to infect us, and we quarantine only the sick | Apr 25 15:55 |
| CrystalMath | we could teach it to infect us asymptomatically | Apr 25 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Really we stopped quarantine the sick because we wanted to make more profit. | Apr 25 15:56 |
| oiaohm | You think how often in many countries you are sick you had to get a doctors certificate to say you were sick enough not to go to work. | Apr 25 15:56 |
| CrystalMath | this is why i always go to work with the flu | Apr 25 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Humans have got really lazy/bad dealing with viruses correctly. | Apr 25 15:57 |
| CrystalMath | i refuse to use doctors | Apr 25 15:57 |
| CrystalMath | and medical help | Apr 25 15:57 |
| CrystalMath | fortunately i don't work all year long | Apr 25 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Historic times you would have been executed for that. | Apr 25 15:57 |
| CrystalMath | how so? | Apr 25 15:57 |
| CrystalMath | and which part? | Apr 25 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Historic disease controls were you turned up to work sick you were a murder so got beheaded of hung. | Apr 25 15:58 |
| CrystalMath | where? | Apr 25 15:58 |
| CrystalMath | here in the 19th century it happened all the time | Apr 25 15:58 |
| CrystalMath | idk about ottoman, byzantine, or roman times | Apr 25 15:59 |
| CrystalMath | well, late ottoman empire, it was okay | Apr 25 15:59 |
| CrystalMath | idk about the early period | Apr 25 15:59 |
| CrystalMath | around the plague | Apr 25 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Australia not that old early penal colony those rules were still in place. | Apr 25 16:00 |
| oiaohm | From UK end EU. | Apr 25 16:00 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: since when? because before the 18th century we did not know anything about viruses | Apr 25 16:00 |
| CrystalMath | only "bad air" | Apr 25 16:00 |
| CrystalMath | aka miasma | Apr 25 16:00 |
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| CrystalMath | oiaohm: plague masks had air fresheners inside | Apr 25 16:01 |
| CrystalMath | because "bad air" causes disease, not other people | Apr 25 16:01 |
| CrystalMath | certainly not tiny microscopic organisms | Apr 25 16:01 |
| CrystalMath | then, even before that, you had "demons cause disease" | Apr 25 16:02 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: 18th cenery before Australia penal colony was setup viruses and bacteria had been discovered and marked as the cause of illnesses. | Apr 25 16:02 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: yes but before that, we knew nothing about that stuff | Apr 25 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Once we did we started doing the right things. | Apr 25 16:02 |
| oiaohm | then we stopped doing the right things. | Apr 25 16:02 |
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| oiaohm | and its been bitting us on the ass yearly with number of workers in fact sick and the like. | Apr 25 16:03 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: as someone who is anti-society, i would prefer it if people lost their massive organization, so i'm satisfied with the regression | Apr 25 16:03 |
| oiaohm | We kind of got use to viruses being fairly much non lethal or lightly lethal that medical treatment would work. | Apr 25 16:04 |
| oiaohm | most of the time. | Apr 25 16:04 |
| CrystalMath | before miasma was fully accepted there was also the theory that demons cause disease | Apr 25 16:04 |
| CrystalMath | and that the cure is being a true believing christian | Apr 25 16:04 |
| CrystalMath | and if you die anyway, well, you lied about being a true believer, your fault :P | Apr 25 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Really even at the time of miasma there wre different areas that disagreed. | Apr 25 16:05 |
| CrystalMath | it was even more fun before that, when ghosts of people were to blame | Apr 25 16:05 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember china herbal and groups like it never believed in the miasma idea. | Apr 25 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Or the church idea. | Apr 25 16:06 |
| CrystalMath | so yeah for most of history, there is no way that one would be executed for working while sick | Apr 25 16:06 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: mainly the thing with me is that i refuse all medical care | Apr 25 16:06 |
| oiaohm | china 2000 years BC. Turning up to work knownly sick was also death. | Apr 25 16:06 |
| CrystalMath | [citation needed] | Apr 25 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Due to how much distruption you could cause by spreading illness. | Apr 25 16:07 |
| oiaohm | They did not understand illness that well but they understood it spread person to person. | Apr 25 16:07 |
| CrystalMath | also, i have citations for the fact that china DID believe in miasma theory | Apr 25 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the time frame of china. | Apr 25 16:07 |
| CrystalMath | and that the earth was flat | Apr 25 16:07 |
| oiaohm | China has no records that the earth was flat. | Apr 25 16:08 |
| CrystalMath | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#Ming_Dynasty_in_China | Apr 25 16:08 |
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| CrystalMath | oiaohm: for the record, work is also the place where i GET sick, 99% of the time | Apr 25 16:11 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: because others do the same | Apr 25 16:11 |
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| oiaohm | CrystalMath: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_treasure_voyages that Ming Dynasty one is a mess and a half. You start off early in the Ming Dynasty them exploring and thinking of the earth as kind of round. Then when they close boarders the flat story and edge of world crap appears. | Apr 25 16:17 |
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| oiaohm | So flat earth china was a very political thing. | Apr 25 16:18 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of documents in the ming time frame don't agree one way or the other. | Apr 25 16:19 |
| oiaohm | CrystalMath: basically ming time frame you wrote the world was round or flat all depending on who was going to read the document. | Apr 25 16:20 |
| oiaohm | So not a univeral beleive thing. | Apr 25 16:20 |
| CrystalMath | it was strong enough to persist into the 16th century :P | Apr 25 16:25 |
| CrystalMath | as evidenced by jesuits who went there | Apr 25 16:25 |
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| XRevan86 | "Did the US of A believe in the Greenhouse effect in at the start of the XXI century?" | Apr 25 16:29 |
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| XRevan86 | They wrote it exists or not depending on who was going to read the document. So not a univeral beleive thing. | Apr 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz | [16:29] <XRevan86> "Did the US of A believe in the Greenhouse effect in at the start of the XXI century?" | Apr 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz | believe is the key word | Apr 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | they treat that like wing politics | Apr 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | or faith | Apr 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | btu gravity has more gravity there | Apr 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz | not many people deny it | Apr 25 16:30 |
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| CrystalMath | i'm against the green measurements that are proposed, and i propose a different one | Apr 25 16:30 |
| CrystalMath | STOP HAVING BABIES | Apr 25 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, I meant it in a more general sense, but yea :) | Apr 25 16:31 |
| CrystalMath | that's all that's needed, we don't need ebola nor covid to wipe us out, we just need to stop having babies RIGHT NOW | Apr 25 16:31 |
| CrystalMath | and the world will be a greener place | Apr 25 16:31 |
| CrystalMath | i have zero children and it will remain so forever | Apr 25 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: What steps would you take to implement your proposal? | Apr 25 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | as a single person somewhere in power | Apr 25 16:32 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: remove all government assistance for people with children | Apr 25 16:33 |
| CrystalMath | absolutely all, including softened loans | Apr 25 16:33 |
| CrystalMath | having a child will become like starting a company | Apr 25 16:33 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Now Russia's sparse population is even more sparse. Mission accomplished? | Apr 25 16:33 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: i understand the weak success of that, vs. doing this in china or india | Apr 25 16:34 |
| CrystalMath | but there are things we can do for the world | Apr 25 16:34 |
| CrystalMath | like supporting variants of christianity other than catholicism in latin america | Apr 25 16:34 |
| CrystalMath | catholicism bans contraception more strongly than any other religion | Apr 25 16:35 |
| CrystalMath | and this is a huge cause of the problem | Apr 25 16:35 |
| CrystalMath | so attacking catholicism helps the entire world | Apr 25 16:35 |
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| XRevan86 | Eastern Orthodox Christianity in Latin America for the win! It has a similiar stance on abortions and contraception, but whatever | Apr 25 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | Which looks on catholicism as on downright liberals | Apr 25 16:58 |
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| MinceR | 25 173051 < CrystalMath> STOP HAVING BABIES | Apr 25 17:25 |
| MinceR | seconded | Apr 25 17:25 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20032148 | Apr 25 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4452689) | Apr 25 21:04 | |
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| schestowitz | lol | Apr 25 23:55 |
| schestowitz | nice one | Apr 25 23:55 |
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