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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR that's one reason I listed every creditor I could possibly think of. | May 25 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If the trustee found $1,000 of non exempt property, he'd have to split it proportionally, like two dozen ways. | May 25 00:01 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: it also pays not to get too much in debt :> | May 25 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All the creditors would each walk away with a few bucks. | May 25 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Making them split whatever the trustee finds helps to deter them from appealing my filing on the grounds that I may have anything that's non exempt. | May 25 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you owe five creditors $50,000, they're more likely to object and ask the trustee to look harder to try to find non exempt assets than if you owe $100,000 to two dozen creditors. | May 25 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It's like, "If you object, you won't get anything, and even if you did, you'll have to share it with all of my creditors going back to 2001.". | May 25 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bankruptcy chaff. | May 25 00:08 |
| kingoffrance | yes, there are celebrities who go bankrupt but want to say their million dollar sports car is essential and off-limits, i dont have one handy unfortunately | May 25 00:14 |
| kingoffrance | but they make those claims, certainly | May 25 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In a Chapter 13 you can keep that. | May 25 00:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Chapter 13 is for higher income people. It's a debt repayment plan that just forces your creditors to accept a 5 year repayment with a lower interest rate. | May 25 00:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Seems like Fedora 31 is sort of a placeholder, which is probably why it's fairly stable. | May 25 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Coronavirus is probably implicated here, because the more disruptive changes all got pushed back to Fedora 32. | May 25 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it seems like a continuation of Fedora 30 that just bumps the compiler, GNOME, and a couple of other things. | May 25 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were going to turn on full link time optimization, but that got knocked back due to some last minute bugs that surfaced. | May 25 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, being Fedora they would turn it on with a completely new GCC series.... | May 25 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that sanity prevailed is sort of unexpected, but hey, whatever. | May 25 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it was me, I probably would have waited for GCC 10.1 or 10.2 before thinking about doing flto. | May 25 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That ended up being what happened. | May 25 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Major new versions of GCC are known for having, errr, issues. | May 25 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most longterm stable distributions never use a GCC series ending in .0 for that reason. | May 25 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All sort of horrible problems can turn up in the programs you compile with them. | May 25 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's actually kind of interesting that Clang is putting out better compiled code than it used to and it's actually becoming possible to backtrace crashes in it now, but GCC has been going in the other direction. | May 25 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My major objection to swapping out GCC for Clang as the system compiler was security and the correctness of the compiled code, but with things moving the way they are, pretty soon the only objection will be the licensing issue with Clang/LLVM. But we already depend heavily on Clang/LLVM in the Free Software world. Consider that it's a hard dependency of Mesa because compiling shaders is something that LLVM is well | May 25 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | suited for that GCC isn't. | May 25 00:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If we reach a point where Clang can produce better compiled code than GCC, I wouldn't be strongly opposed to Clang as the system compiler. | May 25 00:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So far, that's not been the case, and if it was, more than one distribution that is maybe worth mentioning just because of the novelty of Clang as the system compiler would be shipping like this. | May 25 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Very soon, it may be the case. | May 25 00:49 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC[m]: who cares, fedora was garbage as far as 15 | May 25 01:14 |
| MinceR | and will probably stay that way forever | May 25 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I might just remove GNOME software | May 25 01:32 |
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| kingoffrance | yes, there was the infamous 2.96 redhat gcc version | May 25 02:25 |
| kingoffrance | a couple version like that that didnt exist upstream | May 25 02:25 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and then the compatibility library was still in there years later. | May 25 02:42 |
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| schestowitz | <li> | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="https://betanews.com/2020/05/24/linux-linus-torvalds-amd/">Linux-creator Linus Torvalds joins Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech Tips in embracing AMD over Intel</a></h5> | May 25 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-betanews.com | Linux-creator Linus Torvalds joins Linus Sebastian of Linus Tech Tips in embracing AMD over Intel | May 25 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <p>And so, I was quite delighted when Linus Sebastian of YouTube channel Linus Tech Tips (of whom I am a big fan) saw the light and began embracing AMD lately (despite his love for Intel). It was very neat to see AMD Ryzen and Ryzen Threadripper processors being heralded by someone who is typically an Intel guy. Believe it or not, yet another Linus (no, not Linus van Pelt from Peanuts) is jumping to AMD, and this | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | time it is probably a bigger deal than Sebastian's current change of allegiance. You see, Linus Torvalds, the father of Linux, is no longer using an Intel CPU on his main computer. Woah.</p></blockquote></li> | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <li> | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <h5><a href="http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2005.3/00406.html">Linux 5.7-rc7</a></h5> | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote> | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <p>[...]</p> | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <p>In fact, the biggest excitement this week for me was just that I upgraded my main machine, and for the first time in about 15 years, my desktop isn't Intel-based. No, I didn't switch to ARM yet, but I'm now rocking an AMD Threadripper 3970x. My 'allmodconfig' test builds are now three times faster than they used to be, which doesn't matter so much right now during the calming down period, but I will most | May 25 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 5.7-rc7 | May 25 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | definitely notice the upgrade during the next merge window. </p> | May 25 05:11 |
| schestowitz | <p> Anyway, go out and give this a good final test so that we won't have any unhappy surprises after 5.7 is released. </p></blockquote></li> | May 25 05:11 |
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| Seegras | Hi. https://techrights.org/ Uses a self-signed Cert that expired on 2019-04-10. | May 25 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | we don't use https, yet... | May 25 07:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I don't like Intel. | May 25 07:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got saddled with those hardware vulnerabilities on hardware I still probably won't get rid of for years. | May 25 07:38 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: its not like chosing arm or AMD got you 100 percent away from hardware vulnerabilities | May 25 09:08 |
| oiaohm | Reality we have not had silicon design properly third party audited for design faults. | May 25 09:08 |
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| danielinux | official italian government tracking app is AGPL 3.0: | May 25 11:15 |
| danielinux | https://github.com/immuni-app | May 25 11:15 |
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| XRevan86 | > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.28 | May 25 12:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: rspamd likes you :) | May 25 12:28 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/669442.jpg | May 25 12:41 |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: likes as in good? | May 25 12:52 |
| schestowitz | danielinux: but github | May 25 12:53 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Yes, negative score on likelihood of you being a spammer. | May 25 12:53 |
| schestowitz | oh, so it's good then | May 25 12:55 |
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| XRevan86 | https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/05/19/85444-the-prosecutor-for-escort | May 25 14:55 |
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| XRevan86 | Quite a big deal, and I noticed it only now. | May 25 14:56 |
| XRevan86 | > Дело «Сети» в Петербурге. Как обвинение пыталось доказать, что Филинков и Бояршинов — террористы <https://zona.media/article/2020/05/25/set-spb> | May 25 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zona.media | Дело «Сети» в Петербурге. Как обвинение пыталось доказать, что Филинков и Бояршинов — террористы | May 25 15:02 | |
| XRevan86 | oops, wrong tab | May 25 15:03 |
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| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/05/01/d659762dd022ecc5.mp4 | May 25 16:00 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNU World Order and GCC's JIT Library Sees Experimental Port To Windows http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138021 [https://pleroma.site/objects/efed93ac-64c0-4cac-8839-1da8cf4e1a93] | May 25 16:01 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today's leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138022 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8beee9d9-45af-4cac-b3cf-f18f70f01a43] | May 25 16:12 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 25/5/2020: Wrapland Redone, DebConf20 Plans, Many More Games http://techrights.org/2020/05/25/wrapland-redone/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/b4505795-4251-4370-b1b5-fa1018a77395] | May 25 16:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: SHIFT13mi Linux-friendly tablet with replaceable mainboard scheduled for 2021 release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138023 [https://pleroma.site/objects/00ad2568-9b81-46ce-bed8-02b6817dd2eb] | May 25 16:35 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: SamRewritten, ShellShock, What Never Was http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138024 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bc72bf87-43f6-4426-ac72-df93468bbcc9] | May 25 16:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://diaspora-fr.org/uploads/images/7eb7ce56053e1df9d817.jpg | May 25 16:55 |
| schestowitz | says it all | May 25 16:55 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ignored Category in DigiKam http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/137296#comment-25187 [https://pleroma.site/objects/80000f0c-3eef-43b8-8510-0b0ae6e53554] | May 25 16:57 | |
| MinceR | :) | May 25 17:18 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/twins-3 | May 25 18:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Twins | May 25 18:00 | |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Estranged: Act II, Helltaker and Soldat http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/138026 [https://pleroma.site/objects/058e5389-3083-48fc-835b-5367d5f823bc] | May 25 18:39 | |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: if i had children i'd name my first son betamax | May 25 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was watching a video about how Prince of Persia was developed for the Apple II. | May 25 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, it didn't have enough memory to have enemies in that version, so "Shadowman" was a hack involving cloning an object using a CPU instruction. | May 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Apple II had a lot of limitations that didn't really make it a great platform for game development, so it's surprising that he got this thing to work at all. | May 25 19:04 |
| CrystalMath | i think the early PCs are the best for games | May 25 19:16 |
| CrystalMath | but not modern PCs | May 25 19:16 |
| CrystalMath | why? because modern PCs kinda tempt you to think about graphics more | May 25 19:17 |
| CrystalMath | whereas it's better to have crappy graphics with an actual original game | May 25 19:17 |
| CrystalMath | some people try to emulate the old ways, but | May 25 19:17 |
| CrystalMath | personally for as long as you feel like you have infinite memory, it won't be that good | May 25 19:17 |
| CrystalMath | *personally i think | May 25 19:17 |
| CrystalMath | you need limitations | May 25 19:18 |
| CrystalMath | ironically | May 25 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, having no limitations encourages people to fill programs with things that take something away from the experience, and games are programs. | May 25 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The limits encourage developers to think about what something is actually worth before they add it. | May 25 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even Microsoft. Remember how Windows 2000 was pretty straightforward and now we have a pile of mismatched user interfaces and several control panels and 5 terminals and just shit everywhere. | May 25 19:23 |
| psydread | Windows 2000 is the only version of Windows I actually liked using despite its obvious flaws | May 25 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was told that the Classic Control Panel is there because of things like AutoIT scripts. | May 25 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they go to click on something and it's not there, the script just breaks. | May 25 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm like "That's dumb." | May 25 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, it's no longer possible to create a local user account that is not tied to a Microsoft account if the computer has an internet connection while you're setting Windows 10 up. | May 25 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: yes | May 25 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | Starting with 1909 | May 25 19:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | You have to disable the internet connection to set up a local account? That's stupid. | May 25 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | Even Android doesn't do that. | May 25 19:31 |
| XRevan86 | Setup Wizard allows to avoid setting up a Google account. | May 25 19:32 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Microsoft really doesn't like the local account option existence. | May 25 19:33 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: So they're trying to make sure the user won't use it unless they have to – which is when microsoft.com is inaccessible. | May 25 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I was using Windows and MSN/WLM, I blocked all of their ad servers in my HOSTS file. | May 25 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The funny part is that one of the ads actually installed malware through MSN Messenger at one point. | May 25 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I missed that ad because of my HOSTS file. | May 25 19:36 |
| MinceR | 25 195804 < CrystalMath> MinceR: if i had children i'd name my first son betamax | May 25 19:36 |
| MinceR | and the second betamin? | May 25 19:36 |
| CrystalMath | no, maybe VHS | May 25 19:36 |
| MinceR | :> | May 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Betamax was really a stupid format. | May 25 19:37 |
| CrystalMath | yep, i'd be a troll dad if i was straight | May 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sony was trying to rush it to market and they didn't think that having enough room for a movie on the initial tapes was important at all. | May 25 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were some VHS movies that spanned two tapes, but there's been a few Blu Ray movies that have spanned two Blu Ray discs. | May 25 19:38 |
| CrystalMath | but VHS tapes can hold 4 hours on SP, 8 hours on LP | May 25 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lord of The Rings Extended Editions and Lawrence of Arabia (iirc). | May 25 19:39 |
| CrystalMath | i watched LOTR but i have no idea how long it is | May 25 19:39 |
| CrystalMath | because i always fall asleep | May 25 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | SP is what most commercial movies were using. | May 25 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you were copying porn from the video store and just wanted to get as many as possible on one tape, you could use SLP. | May 25 19:40 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: You could've used Pidgin | May 25 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some VCRs had a method to detect commercials and pause the recording automatically. | May 25 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Commercials usually have dynamic range compression so that the show you're watching sounds fine and then the commercial comes on and starts screaming at you. | May 25 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | What if it's a fake commercial? | May 25 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | ah | May 25 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: That sounds familiar :) | May 25 19:42 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Will it stop recording a modern pop jingle? | May 25 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know. | May 25 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad kept a VCR without Automatic Gain Control so that Macrovision wouldn't top him from recording movies and porn from the video store. | May 25 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, he had a lot of VCRs because he worked as an engineer at a major company that made them. | May 25 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There were various devices that could remove the Macrovision signal that was designed to make Automatic Gain Control go crazy to screw up the video you were copying. | May 25 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't know which ones worked. | May 25 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: When I bought a DVD player, I hooked it up to a VCR without Automatic Gain Control. Sometimes I'd rent movies on DVD and play them from the DVD player while recording them on SP on the VCR. | May 25 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It made a much better copy than tape to tape. | May 25 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Or you could make an iso and burn it? | May 25 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | and get a flawless copy | May 25 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | Or RIP it | May 25 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | Rip | May 25 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At the time, a DVD-ROM drive was pretty expensive. | May 25 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A writer could really set you back. | May 25 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Today I don't use optical storage media at all. | May 25 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've actually been using the same thumbdrives to install Fedora releases for about 8 or 9 years now. | May 25 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I do a media check each time I put a new ISO on them to make sure it copied over properly to avoid nasty surprises. | May 25 19:50 |
| *XRevan86 haven't installed anything in a while. | May 25 19:51 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora 30>31 was the first time I did a DNF system upgrade. | May 25 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | My openSUSE is 7 years old. | May 25 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remembered the horror or trying to do an in place upgrade on Fedora years back, but I heard it was a much smoother process now. | May 25 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was. | May 25 19:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *of | May 25 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | And for VPS' I clearly don't need any physical storage. | May 25 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, there was a time where if you attempted to do an in place upgrade on Fedora, what you'd usually end up with was a completely broken mess that might not even boot up. | May 25 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Historically, AMD has had more and nastier CPU bugs than Intel. | May 25 19:53 |
| MinceR | so the same thing as you'd end up if you installed fedora :> | May 25 19:53 |
| scientes | FDIV? | May 25 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Historically, fglrx existed. | May 25 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After the meltdown and spectre mess and the issues around hyperthreading, it not only really slows down the computer with all the mitigation the operating systems have to use, but it's not really even fixed with a guarantee even if you keep them on. | May 25 19:54 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I kinda missed those times by avoiding Fedora %) | May 25 19:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, the mitigation that landed to "fix" hyperthreading ended up being so bad that Linus Torvalds backed it out and suggested turning it off if your security needs were that high. | May 25 19:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It ended up slowing down workloads more than turning hyperthreading off, which is what OpenBSD does by default now. | May 25 19:55 |
| MinceR | Quake 1.08 wouldn't run on my AMD K5-PR100 | May 25 19:56 |
| MinceR | 1.06 ran fine | May 25 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I disabled the mitigations. | May 25 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not like running the last kernel without them forever is an option. | May 25 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean you could, but it's a bad idea since tens of thousands of security holes that get patched later and don't rob performance would also go unfixed. | May 25 19:57 |
| *XRevan86 is not going to ask why would anyone try to use machines this old to play games. | May 25 19:57 | |
| XRevan86 | Is that for the feels? | May 25 19:57 |
| MinceR | which ones? | May 25 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not like using an ancient kernel with a version lock forever is an option on Fedora. | May 25 19:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: nostalgia, some kind of thematic authenticity | May 25 19:58 |
| psydread | fglrx made me get rid of Fedora forever 🙂 | May 25 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's just ridiculous how bad Intel chips are, so AMD pulls out ahead now. | May 25 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | FGLRX didn't work well on any Linux distribution. | May 25 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It made the Nvidia driver look flawless in comparison. | May 25 20:00 |
| psydread | the problem with Fedora Core 1 was that the default driver didn't work well enough | May 25 20:01 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i prefer to emulate old hardware :> | May 25 20:01 |
| psydread | so I installed Slackware on all of our family computers | May 25 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figured "Oh, sure, buy a Radeon card. It has a Linux driver.". | May 25 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Famous last words. | May 25 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lots of things have changed and that's a perfectly good series of card to buy for Linux now, but FGLRX was nastier than hell. | May 25 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I got it sort of working well enough to play Doom 3 at least. | May 25 20:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ah, so you emulate AMD K5, and that fails now? | May 25 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I ended up having to park my happy ass on a RHEL clone because AMD was so horrible about updating their driver for a kernel/X combination that wasn't old as shit that this was the only way to keep things working. | May 25 20:03 |
| psydread | I got those used Radeon 7000 cards, because I knew that the onboard SiS graphics were badly supported on Linux | May 25 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You needed to change the config a bit, oh noes %) | May 25 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There would be a new Fedora out and then 4 months in, FGLRX finally worked. | May 25 20:03 |
| XRevan86 | What's an RHEL clone? | May 25 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I asked them why that was and they said they recommended RHEL or Ubuntu. | May 25 20:03 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no, i used that machine ages ago | May 25 20:04 |
| MinceR | and it failed back then | May 25 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | CentOS, Scientific Linux and Oracle Linux? | May 25 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was using Scientific Linux 6 on that system. | May 25 20:04 |
| MinceR | quake 1.08 was new back then :> | May 25 20:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: ah, I see now | May 25 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, I sent off for an Oracle Linux disc that they said would be free and I never got it. | May 25 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I did get a Solaris 10 disc though. | May 25 20:04 |
| *XRevan86 never ordered an Ubuntu disc not wanting to bother Canonical. | May 25 20:05 | |
| XRevan86 | another missed opportunity in me life %) | May 25 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, they discontinued the free Ubuntu disc thing eventually saying it was costing too much. | May 25 20:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, they didn't let you order one disc. | May 25 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Exactly. | May 25 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | I blew my chance. | May 25 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | In 2010. | May 25 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: No, I'm pretty sure they sent out free discs. | May 25 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They sent you the 32 bit PC, 64 bit PC, and PPC Mac discs even if all you wanted was the 64 bit PC one. | May 25 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Firefox on Linux has always had problems that it didn't have on other platforms. | May 25 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | Ah, you mean after | May 25 20:06 |
| XRevan86 | ah %) | May 25 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't like to spend time making things work on Linux, so they just turn it off and give you this entirely third rate browser. | May 25 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Well, considering the cost of shipping I bet they didn't want you to change your mind | May 25 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Linux is the only OS where Firefox is not only widely used, but almost always the default web browser. | May 25 20:07 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Yes, I remember that being the case. | May 25 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd hazard a guess that at some point, Linux will be the platform with the most Firefox users remaining. | May 25 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Not so sure about that. | May 25 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | unless you mean relatively speaking, but then it's already the case | May 25 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Consider that non-Android, non-Chrome OS, Linux distributions are about 4-5% of desktop OS share and that Chrome and Edge are eating them alive on Windows, and that probably nobody on a Mac is going to install Firefox.... | May 25 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I saw a screenshot of macOS with Firefox once :D | May 25 20:09 |
| XRevan86 | that totally disproves everything, yes | May 25 20:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, if you open Edge and search "Firefox" or "Chrome", Microsoft has it set up to where it wags the finger and suggests your computer will explode if you don't use Edge. | May 25 20:10 |
| XRevan86 | and I don't mean firefox.com | May 25 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with a Linux user agent, Bing will suggest Edge, which does not currently have a Linux version. | May 25 20:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh wow. | May 25 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I had to check | May 25 20:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They do it for "brave", "opera", and "vivaldi" now too. | May 25 20:11 |
| XRevan86 | No tail wagging, but a very big IE ad is there. | May 25 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | Oh hey, RSS | May 25 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | Why would I want RSS on a search query… | May 25 20:12 |
| MinceR | to see how the results change later :> | May 25 20:12 |
| MinceR | or to get a custom feed | May 25 20:12 |
| XRevan86 | SEO stuff? | May 25 20:13 |
| MinceR | dunno | May 25 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a Chrome extension from Bing that lets you donate your Microsoft points as cash to a charity. | May 25 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I found one good thing about Bing then :D | May 25 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | even if it's effectively useless | May 25 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: What are Microsoft points? | May 25 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You earn them for using bing as your search engine. | May 25 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It gives you like 5 points per search up to a certain limit. | May 25 20:16 |
| XRevan86 | Huh, I'm feeling genuinely disgusted. | May 25 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, you can just go there each day and type in a bunch of crap and keep hitting enter. | May 25 20:18 |
| *XRevan86 accidentally searched for Firefox in Mail.Ru's search engine, and of course the first link is their custom build. | May 25 20:19 | |
| XRevan86 | And Yandex suggests their custom build too, but like an ad. | May 25 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | I thought it'd suggest their own shitty browser. | May 25 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I raised 15 cents for sea turtles so far. | May 25 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 35 cents... lol | May 25 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, Yandex Browser was one of the worst for privacy in that one study. | May 25 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Tied with Edge | May 25 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | Yandex shows no privacy awareness. | May 25 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Putin likes this. | May 25 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | duh | May 25 20:40 |
| XRevan86 | I thought it goes without saying. | May 25 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their English search is crap anyway. | May 25 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I thought Yandex was the default search in Firefox if you're in Russia. | May 25 20:57 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I think it still is. | May 25 20:58 |
| Narrator | why yandex is worst?:) | May 25 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | It's not the worst, Mail.Ru is worse | May 25 20:58 |
| Narrator | why? | May 25 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: Is the name Alisher Usmanov saying anything to you? | May 25 20:59 |
| Narrator | nope | May 25 20:59 |
| Narrator | another rich | May 25 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | Narrator: And involved politically | May 25 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | but I guess that also goes without saying | May 25 21:02 |
| Narrator | Behind every great fortune, there is a crime | May 25 21:02 |
| Narrator | Balzac;-) | May 25 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | In this case it's privatisation of Soviet raw material industry. | May 25 21:04 |
| Narrator | exactly | May 25 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | as is often the case for Russian oligarchs | May 25 21:04 |
| Narrator | teh same was in poland | May 25 21:04 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://i.imgur.com/gCfbesl.mp4 | May 25 22:07 |
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