●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, June 25, 2021 ●● ● Jun 25 [00:00] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:00] techrights-bot/fn #microsoft head of PR is now BLOCKING, at least in #twitter , former Microsoft staff that speaks out and disrupts the lying, the propaganda, and the #fraud ... trying to make them less visible as they interfere with the passage of lies [00:01] techrights-bot/fn "Chinese researchers developed the Kylin operating system to replace the Western products the country relied on" and the programme of #China now runs on #GNU #Linux https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3138313/mars-moon-computer-system-behind-chinas-space-missions [00:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scmp.com | From Mars to the moon: the computer system behind Chinas space missions | South China Morning Post [00:03] schestowitz MinceR: that's why many later adopted win95 [00:06] MinceR because they didn't know better? [00:07] schestowitz maybe marketing [00:12] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:14] psydroid windows 95 is the shoddiest software I've ever used [00:15] psydroid I did use 98 and later 2000 while learning about GNU/Linux [00:16] schestowitz I think it is still winnuke compatible [00:16] MinceR :> [00:17] schestowitz Microsoft made such things acceptable and normal [00:17] schestowitz imagine me being able to shut down the PCs of all people in this channel [00:17] schestowitz by looking up their IP addresses [00:18] schestowitz I remember programs like antinuke [00:18] schestowitz various types of them [00:19] schestowitz maybe they should install those before deploying windows on oil pipelines and water treatment facilities [00:19] MinceR even then it's irresponsible to use microsoft products in such environments [00:19] activelow attaching critical infrastructure with TCP/IP is insane [00:19] schestowitz but there are kickbacks [00:20] schestowitz they take bribe money [00:20] schestowitz if not, they are missing out! [00:20] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [00:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [00:20] activelow predating the privatisation nonsense it was in the hands of telcos (t-systems maintaining x.25 at german railway) [00:21] activelow telco backbone was a *synchronous* circuit switched network [00:24] techrights-bot/fn #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152655 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:24] techrights-bot/fn #ChromiumUngoogled in #PCLOS and #Mozilla Miscellany http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152656 [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chromium Ungoogled in PCLOS and Mozilla Miscellany | Tux Machines [00:24] techrights-bot/fn #FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152657 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:25] techrights-bot/fn Videos: Garuda KDE Dragonized 210621 and "Learning Sed Is Beneficial For Linux Users" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152658 [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Garuda KDE Dragonized 210621 and "Learning Sed Is Beneficial For Linux Users" | Tux Machines [00:25] techrights-bot/fn #Xfce and #KDE Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152659 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xfce and KDE Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:25] techrights-bot/fn Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152660 [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [00:26] techrights-bot/fn #Kernel and #Graphics Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152661 #Linux #TuxMachines [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel and Graphics Leftovers | Tux Machines [00:26] techrights-bot/fn Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152662 [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [00:27] techrights-bot/fn Links 25/6/2021: Chinas Space Programme Runs on GNU/Linux (Kylin), #Ubuntu 21.10 Wallpaper Competition http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/kylin-china/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/24/kylin-china/ [00:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/6/2021: Chinas Space Programme Runs on GNU/Linux (Kylin), Ubuntu 21.10 Wallpaper Competition | Techrights [00:28] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [00:34] techrights-bot/fn "At the moment, #Microsoft is attacking #Linux . Of course it says that it loves Linux, but thats just a deliberate smokescreen." http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ #Vista11 #antitrust #vapourware [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsofts Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights [00:36] techrights-bot/fn That ought to say that EPO is corrupt and people claim that #SPTO in Spain does a much better work than today's #EPO https://blogip.garrigues.com/en/patents-trade-secrets/inventions-made-in-spain see http://techrights.org/wiki/EPO [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogip.garrigues.com | Inventions made in Spain: How can you protect them properly? | Intellectual and Industrial Property Blog - Garrigues [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [00:39] techrights-bot/fn Fabricating #patents instead of chips https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/us-semiconductor-industry-confronts-a-two-front-war [00:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TCP connection reset by peer ( status 0 @ https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/us-semiconductor-industry-confronts-a-two-front-war ) [00:40] techrights-bot/fn Intentionally conflating #patents with #propaganda terms like "IP"] https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sdvl8z5gzxwk/how-to-overcome-antimicrobial-resistance-ip-challenges #managingip = #corruptMedia [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | How to overcome antimicrobial resistance IP challenges | Managing Intellectual Property [00:40] techrights-bot/fn #AMD SFH Linux Driver Updated For "Next Gen" Ryzen Laptops http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152663 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD SFH Linux Driver Updated For "Next Gen" Ryzen Laptops | Tux Machines [00:50] techrights-bot/fn Labeling slaughtered animals based on their "nationality"... what lawyers and their mouthpieces would do. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sdf1hxkqyr8m/uk-australia-deal-may-create-template-for-future-gi-protection [00:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | UK-Australia deal may create template for future GI protection | Managing Intellectual Property [00:51] techrights-bot/fn #SoftwarePatents as worthless garbage in US high courts such as #cafc http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/24/patent-case-yu-v-apple-inc-usa/ [00:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Patent case: Yu v. Apple Inc., USA - Kluwer Patent Blog [00:52] techrights-bot/fn #Patent mobsters trying to blame #PTAB upheld and fake #patents being thrown out on "politics" https://www.managingip.com/article/b1sdlkmxc9h8q2/arthrex-could-make-39political-animal39-of-uspto-head-say-inhouse how about speaking to people other than your overzealous sponsors? [00:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Arthrex could make 'political animal' of USPTO head say in-house | Managing Intellectual Property [00:54] techrights-bot/fn Appalling core words and buzzwords for #fakepatents that are just abstract nonsense https://japantoday.com/category/tech/japan-to-work-with-u.s.-others-to-improve-process-for-ai-patents "patents related to artificial intelligence" = #swpats [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-japantoday.com | Japan to work with U.S., others to improve process for AI patents - Japan Today [00:57] techrights-bot/fn "the #PTAB granted leave for the parties to file Preliminary Motions and on May 20th, ToolGen filed its Substantive Motion No. 1 for benefit of priority." Stop granting #patents on life and nature; stop trying to crush #patent oversight. https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/meanwhile-toolgen-files-substantive-motion-no-1-in-interference-with-cvc.html [00:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: Meanwhile . . . ToolGen Files Substantive Motion No. 1 in Interference with CVC [00:58] techrights-bot/fn "A first-instance court decision that second medical use patents granted before 13 December 2007 are not patentable is waiting to be evaluated..." https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=8ca0a291-7080-4083-94ee-87828a8f5a01 [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Are second medical use patents protected? - Lexology ● Jun 25 [01:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.35 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 67.83 swarm size (avg): 303.99 [01:01] techrights-bot/fn #EPO exploiting disaster to promote even more #monopolies https://www.nlo.eu/en/news/trends-and-leading-countries-epo-2020-filings-healthcare-technology [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nlo.eu | Trends and Leading Countries of EPO 2020 Filings in Healthcare Technology | NLO [01:03] techrights-bot/fn FOSS Patents: #Apple withdraws from #antitrust action against #FortressInvestment [sic] and multiple Fortress-funded companies--now Intel is the sole remaining plaintiff http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/apple-withdraws-from-antitrust-action.html by @fosspatents [01:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Apple withdraws from antitrust action against Fortress Investment and multiple Fortress-funded companies--now Intel is the sole remaining plaintiff [01:12] *alextee has quit (connection closed) [01:18] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:23] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:26] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:30] *alextee (~alextee@p5ururacf4pq4.irc) has joined #techrights [01:32] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:38] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:41] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:41] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:45] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:45] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:46] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:48] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [01:52] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@5rkr4a9eus5qy.irc) has joined #techrights ● Jun 25 [02:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 74.53 swarm size (avg): 303.74 [02:17] DaemonFC schestowitz, Some people apparently get their computer back from Lenovo in days, some people haven't seen it for months. [02:17] DaemonFC Not much of a warranty. [02:17] DaemonFC Maybe I should just go down to the Micro Center in Chicago and drop it off. At least if I haven't heard from them I can go demand it back after a month. :P [02:18] DaemonFC MinceR, This Zoom Traffic Court is addictive. [02:18] DaemonFC It's the best show on TV. [02:18] DaemonFC It's so ghetto that this is better than any judge show on TV. [02:19] DaemonFC They don't let people accidentally get naked in court and tell the judge he's full of shit. [02:21] DaemonFC There was a naked guy in his bedroom that forgot to turn his Zoom off. [02:22] DaemonFC Some other woman who was there for speeding and no insurance snapshotted it and then when the judge called her case and asked to see that she got insurance, she turned screen share on and accidentally shared the snapshot of the naked man. 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I wonder how long it will take for them to proclaim that there are 1 billion devices running Windows 11. [06:02] DaemonFC With Windows 10, that was a lot easier. [06:03] DaemonFC You could install it on any piece of junk that came with at least Vista or so. [06:03] saint_dogbert/fn I doubt there will be a rush to get 11 then [06:04] psydroid people will get it with new hardware as usual [06:06] psydroid but it means that they are effectively abandoning all their old customers' systems over the next few years and building a new hardware base [06:06] psydroid it would be fun to see it blow up in their faces [06:06] saint_dogbert/fn maybe they will go 64bit only, no multilib [06:07] saint_dogbert/fn sure will be fun to watch the back lash of all those people downloading it just to find out their system isn't compatible for one bullshit reason or another [06:07] saint_dogbert/fn maybe it'll be like their Vista rollout [06:07] saint_dogbert/fn or the XP rollout [06:07] saint_dogbert/fn or Windows ME [06:07] saint_dogbert/fn Or 98/95 [06:08] saint_dogbert/fn or virtually all of their rollouts with the only possible exception being 7 [06:19] schestowitz lots of vista11 spam in my feeds [06:19] schestowitz as expected [06:19] schestowitz vapourware spam [06:19] schestowitz even in some 'linux' sites [06:21] schestowitz it just goes like [06:21] schestowitz Windows will [one day] do [something GNU/Linux has already done for YEARS] [06:21] schestowitz and some people play along with that spammy vapourware [06:22] KindOne/fn Linux, not GNU/Linux. [06:22] schestowitz they don't focus on kernel features [06:23] schestowitz anyway, I surgically removed the spamy marketing from my rss feeds [06:23] schestowitz now I focus focus on and see actual news [06:24] activelow the processor requirements are insane, they probably enabled some nonsense compiler optimizations for some shiny bright bullshit benchmarks [06:25] activelow briefly reviewed 64bit and what the common baseline was to support a wide variety: Pentium4/Nocona, and any later x86_x64 caused some discrepancy between intel and amd with compiler optimizations with no benefit [06:25] psydroid they are pretty much ensuring that their competitors will gain market share [06:26] saint_dogbert/fn Good [06:27] saint_dogbert/fn The market could stand some competition [06:30] *asusbox has quit (connection closed) [06:33] activelow if it was competition then windows went technically bancrupt 20 years ago already [06:34] *rianne__ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [06:34] *asusbox (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [06:35] *rianne has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:35] activelow digged inside techrights archive, the open document format battle was a scam too. TeX was the competition, not at least talked about. [06:36] schestowitz different kind [06:41] *Now talking on #techrights [06:41] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Unofficial channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org [06:41] *Topic for #techrights set by superkuh!~superkuh@user/superkuh at Thu May 20 20:25:48 2021 [06:45] schestowitz our policy :-) (I think): [06:45] schestowitz focus on the issues [06:45] schestowitz comment on distracting spam only for amusement and if really necessary [06:46] schestowitz hence, better not mention vista 11 at all if possible [06:46] schestowitz not even in Daily Links [06:46] schestowitz we know what it's meant to distract from [06:46] schestowitz (several things) [06:46] schestowitz today we'll focus on patents mostly [06:48] activelow worth remembering, the creator of TeX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Knuth#Opinion_on_software_patents [06:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Donald Knuth - Wikipedia [06:48] schestowitz https://fsfe.org/news/2021/news-20210625-01.en.html [06:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fsfe.org | 20 Years FSFE: Interview with Torsten Grote - FSFE [06:48] schestowitz 'FSF' 'E' [06:49] schestowitz Google Deutschland [06:49] schestowitz activelow: he's still giving talk [06:49] schestowitz which is amazing, as a student I followed him and he was already quite old [06:50] activelow schestowitz: worked all night to finalize gentoo tree for aarch64, departing for some sleep now, i'll catch up with the backlog in a few hours, have a nice day [06:50] activelow :) [06:54] schestowitz 0/ [06:54] schestowitz gn ● Jun 25 [07:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 23.61 swarm size (avg): 304.21 [07:03] schestowitz https://www.ft.com/content/a0f8d8c5-ee5c-4618-bfbd-6bfb383b803e [07:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial Times [07:04] schestowitz paywalled [07:04] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:04] schestowitz mentioned FSF maybe [07:10] schestowitz wow, freenode now has under 20k users [07:10] schestowitz I accessed capelle [07:10] schestowitz and motd said 19k+ users online [07:10] schestowitz but it's good that we have channels there, in case some technical issues like downtime [07:10] schestowitz it's a backup plan, a temporary one [07:11] schestowitz freenode as in free/gratis, sort of.. [07:13] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [07:14] saint_dogbert/fn all i know is that i have no intention of joining libera or whatever the name is [07:14] schestowitz I understand, and can moreover relate.. [07:14] schestowitz I think we have a setup that works well now [07:15] schestowitz on average, our daily discussions over IRC got a lot longer [07:15] schestowitz blog comments are only open to people who have had a wordpress account in the site for many years [07:16] schestowitz in "libera" there are many people hostile towards us, as we know we do not control the channel there and take advantage of that [07:16] schestowitz it's going to be interesting to see what freenode develops into by year's end [07:16] schestowitz https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode [07:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [07:17] schestowitz "An open messaging platform" but proprietary https://irc.com/ [07:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC.com [07:17] schestowitz "Use your favourite IRC client or your existing bots. We contribute back to key IRC projects to help push them forward to how todays users expect an IM platform." [07:17] schestowitz I doubt this will catch on because [07:18] schestowitz 1. IRC doesn't offer the same level of security of Signal with e2ee [07:18] schestowitz 2. it's not widely recognised [07:18] schestowitz 3. its owner doesn't inspire confidence [07:39] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [07:39] *rodolphoeck has quit (Quit: gone) [07:39] *schestowitz testing [07:47] *koo7 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [07:49] schestowitz there might be double-posting: [07:49] techrights-news #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, June 24, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [07:50] techrights-news #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:51] techrights-news #JingOS , Linux-Based Operating System For Tablet And Smartphone! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152315#comment-30055 [07:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Crowdfunding for the JingPad A1 Linux tablet begins | Tux Machines [07:51] techrights-news #RockyLinux Is Ready For Prime Time! http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152518#comment-30056 [07:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rocky Linux 8.4 Released For RHEL 8.4 / CentOS Alternative | Tux Machines [07:52] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152664 [07:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [07:52] techrights-news #Sway 1.6.1 Wayland Compositor Released With WLROOTS 0.14 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152665 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [07:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Sway 1.6.1 Wayland Compositor Released With WLROOTS 0.14 | Tux Machines [07:52] techrights-news Excellent Utilities: #duf disk usage utility http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152666 #gnu #linux [07:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Excellent Utilities: duf disk usage utility | Tux Machines [07:52] techrights-news Meet the activists perfecting the craft of anti-surveillance https://www.ft.com/content/a0f8d8c5-ee5c-4618-bfbd-6bfb383b803e paywall [07:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Subscribe to read | Financial Times [07:53] schestowitz the overnight cron jobs will tell if auto-recovery and log/bulletin-related stuff also works [07:53] schestowitz there are usually some unforeseen bugs creeping in [07:54] schestowitz Now shows up as "TR-NEWS" in http://techrights.org/irc/ it's an alias ● Jun 25 [08:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.70 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 17.50 swarm size (avg): 304.35 [08:15] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:15] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:16] *rianne_ (~rianne@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [08:17] *liberty_box (~liberty@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [08:36] *sepsinn has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:40] *sepsinn1 (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [08:43] *danielinux_ is now known as danielinux [08:46] *travankor (travankor@user/travankor) has joined #techrights [08:52] *travankor (travankor@user/travankor) has left #techrights [08:52] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152668 #Linux #TuxMachines [08:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines ● Jun 25 [09:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 26.93 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.26 swarm size (avg): 304.41 [09:03] techrights-news NEWS #Klara #BSD #FreeBSD Performance Observability https://klarasystems.com/articles/freebsd-performance-observability/ [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-klarasystems.com | FreeBSD Performance Observability | Klara Inc. [09:04] techrights-news NEWS #Hacakaday #RockyLinux Is Ready For Prime Time! https://hackaday.com/2021/06/24/rocky-linux-is-ready-for-prime-time/ #gnu #linux [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rocky Linux Is Ready For Prime Time! | Hackaday [09:12] techrights-news #Microsoft #Windows TCO: #TheVerge #ProprietarySoftware Ransom notes https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22545675/ransomware-cryptocurrency-regulation-hacks [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Ransomware funds more ransomware how do we stop it? - The Verge [09:13] techrights-news NEWS #Bloomberg #Privacy #Surveillance #Instagram Tests Letting Users Post to Feeds from Desktop https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-24/instagram-tests-letting-users-post-to-feeds-from-desktop [09:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [09:24] techrights-news NEWS #IndiaTimes Socialcontrolmedia companies to shut fake accounts within 24 hours of complaint https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/social-media/social-media-companies-to-shut-fake-accounts-within-24-hours-of-complaint/83805374 [09:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | new IT rules: Social media companies to shut fake accounts within 24 hours of complaint, IT News, ET CIO [09:39] techrights-news NEWS #AhramOnline #Censorship Court imprisons Egyptian TikTokers Haneen Hossam, Mawada Eladham for 10, 6 years in prison https://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/414668/Egypt/Politics-/Court-imprisons-Egyptian-TikTokers-Haneen-Hossam,-.aspx [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-english.ahram.org.eg | Court imprisons Egyptian TikTokers Haneen Hossam, Mawada Eladham for 10, 6 years in prison - Politics - Egypt - Ahram Online [09:39] techrights-news #IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 24, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/irc-log-240621/ [09:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Thursday, June 24, 2021 | Techrights [09:40] *rodolphoeck (~rodolphoe@user/rodolphoeck) has joined #techrights [09:53] techrights-news NEWS #BroadbandBreakfast #Internet Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal Lands on $65 Billion for #Broadband https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2021/06/bipartisan-infrastructure-deal-lands-on-65-billion-for-broadband/ [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-broadbandbreakfast.com | Bipartisan Infrastructure Deal Lands on $65 Billion for Broadband : Broadband Breakfast [09:53] techrights-news NEWS #Reuters #Internet Democrats' two-step infrastructure plan draws Republican ire https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-meet-with-bipartisan-senators-discuss-infrastructure-plan-2021-06-24/ [09:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Democrats' two-step infrastructure plan draws Republican ire | Reuters [09:59] techrights-news NEWS #TheVerge #DRM #Amazon is acquiring a podcast hosting and monetization platform https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/24/22549391/amazon-music-art19-hosting-platform-advertisers [09:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Amazon is acquiring a podcast hosting and monetization platform - The Verge ● Jun 25 [10:00] techrights-news NEWS #Marketplace #Monopolies Is Congress about to regulate Big Tech? https://www.marketplace.org/2021/06/24/is-congress-about-to-regulate-big-tech/ go after #microsoft too: http://techrights.org/2021/06/24/microsoft-attacking-linux-from-the-inside/ [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marketplace.org | Is Congress about to regulate Big Tech? - Marketplace [10:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Politicians Need to Crack Down on Microsofts Monopoly Abuse Amid Yet More Attacks on Linux (Even From the Inside) | Techrights [10:05] techrights-news NEWS #EFF #Surveillance [VISUAL] The Overlapping Infrastructure of Urban Surveillance, and How to Fix It https://www.eff.org/slsgraphic [10:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | [VISUAL] The Overlapping Infrastructure of Urban Surveillance, and How to Fix It | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:06] techrights-news NEWS #EFF #Surveillance Now Is The Time: Tell Congress to Ban Federal Use of #FaceRecognition https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/06/now-time-tell-congress-ban-federal-use-face-recognition [10:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Now Is The Time: Tell Congress to Ban Federal Use of Face Recognition | Electronic Frontier Foundation [10:06] techrights-news NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux # Epigone drone pays homage to NASAs Mars Helicopter | The MagPi #107 https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/epigone-drone-pays-homage-to-nasas-mars-helicopter-the-magpi-107/ [10:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | 'Epigone drone' pays homage to NASA's Mars Helicopter | The MagPi #107 - Raspberry Pi [10:09] techrights-news iophk: "The #broadband infrastructure money must be kept out of the hands of the ISPs for it to have /any/ effect at all." [10:15] Ariadne iophk is right [10:15] Ariadne theres also prior art to demonstrate it [10:15] Ariadne in the 1990s the baby bella promised fiber to every home in the US [10:15] Ariadne bells* [10:15] Ariadne if we would give them a few billion [10:15] Ariadne so we did [10:15] Ariadne and they implemented crappy dsl instead [10:19] *koo7 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [10:57] techrights-news NEWS #ProPublica #Florida To Get a Shot at Justice, They Were Forced to Prove Their Disabled Daughters Intelligence https://www.propublica.org/article/to-get-a-shot-at-justice-they-were-forced-to-prove-their-disabled-daughters-intelligence [10:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.propublica.org | To Get a Shot at Justice, They Were Forced to Prove Their Disabled Daughters Intelligence ProPublica [10:59] techrights-news NEWS #CounterPunch #Finance Capital, Profits and Wages in 2021 https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/06/24/capital-profits-and-wages-in-2021/ [10:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Capital, Profits and Wages in 2021 - CounterPunch.org ● Jun 25 [11:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.75 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 14.28 swarm size (avg): 304.44 [11:00] techrights-news NEWS #MichaelGeist #internet #canada This Bill Reminds Me of the Maginot Line: The Bill C-10 Debate Arrives at the Senate https://www.michaelgeist.ca/2021/06/this-bill-reminds-me-of-the-maginot-line-the-bill-c-10-debate-arrives-at-the-senate/ [11:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.michaelgeist.ca | "This Bill Reminds Me of the Maginot Line": The Bill C-10 Debate Arrives at the Senate - Michael Geist [11:01] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Censorship #ContentModeration Case Study: Instagram Takes Down Instagram Account Of Book About #Instagram (2020) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210624/09521347054/content-moderation-case-study-instagram-takes-down-instagram-account-book-about-instagram-2020.shtml [11:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Content Moderation Case Study: Instagram Takes Down Instagram Account Of Book About Instagram (2020) | Techdirt [11:02] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #freespeech #socialcontrolmedia #scotus Fuck This Cheer In Particular Says The Supreme Court In Decision Upholding Students' Free Speech Rights https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210623/18225347048/fuck-this-cheer-particular-says-supreme-court-decision-upholding-students-free-speech-rights.shtml [11:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fuck This Cheer In Particular Says The Supreme Court In Decision Upholding Students' Free Speech Rights | Techdirt [11:04] schestowitz [10:15] in the 1990s the baby bella promised fiber to every home in the US [11:04] schestowitz "every home" sounds overambitious [11:04] schestowitz we're near centre and town and do not have fibre in 2021 [11:04] schestowitz also next to the stadium of a top football club, which you might expect to have superfast connections [11:05] schestowitz but this copper line does give us about 10Mbit/sec downstream and 700KBit/sec up [11:06] schestowitz (max) [11:07] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #socialcontrolmedia Appeals Court Tosses Cop's Attempt To Hold #Twitter Responsible For Him Being Shot By A Gunman https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210619/14054047022/appeals-court-tosses-cops-attempt-to-hold-twitter-responsible-him-being-shot-gunman.shtml [11:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Appeals Court Tosses Cop's Attempt To Hold Twitter Responsible For Him Being Shot By A Gunman | Techdirt [11:08] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #google #YouTube Asks Court to Dismiss Mexican Movie Tycoon's 'Untimely' Piracy Lawsuit https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-asks-court-to-dismiss-mexican-movie-tycoons-untimely-piracy-lawsuit-210624/ [11:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube Asks Court to Dismiss Mexican Movie Tycoon's 'Untimely' Piracy Lawsuit * TorrentFreak [11:08] techrights-news NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #tpb The Pirate Bay's Crypto 'Pirate Token' Slowly Fades Away https://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bays-crypto-pirate-token-slowly-fades-away-210624/ [11:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Pirate Bay's Crypto 'Pirate Token' Slowly Fades Away * TorrentFreak [11:09] techrights-news iophk: "The Verge" on ransomware avoids the obvious: eliminate Microsoft products (see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA and http://techrights.org/2020/06/09/windows-disaster-zones/ ) [11:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [11:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Index of the Series About Windows Inside Hospitals (Causing Hospitals to Become Disaster Zones) | Techrights [11:11] techrights-news #freenode now has less than 20k users. Fewer than I imagined, but mostly the fault bad, awful, tactless, insane decisions by Freenode itself. https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode [11:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-netsplit.de | NO TITLE [11:12] techrights-news #DRM mentioned at about 05:50 https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/native-linux-gaming-doesn't-matter:c #games #gnu #linux [11:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Native Linux Gaming Doesn't Matter Anymore [11:28] schestowitz [11:27] https://newnetworks.com/bookofbrokenpromises.htm [11:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newnetworks.com | The Book of Broken Promises: $400 Billion Broadband Scandal & Free the Net [11:28] schestowitz [11:27] $400 billion USD and counting ... [11:30] *cbrtrnx[m] (~cbrtrnxma@2001:470:69fc:105::3f7a) has joined #techrights [11:34] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt Reason Shows How To Properly Respond To A Questionable #SocialConolMedia Takedown: By Calling It Out https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210618/11453847016/reason-shows-how-to-properly-respond-to-questionable-social-media-takedown-calling-it-out.shtml [11:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reason Shows How To Properly Respond To A Questionable Social Media Takedown: By Calling It Out | Techdirt [11:36] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Broadband New NTIA Broadband Map Exposes Expensive, Patchy US Broadband https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210622/08075247037/new-ntia-broadband-map-exposes-expensive-patchy-us-broadband.shtml [11:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New NTIA Broadband Map Exposes Expensive, Patchy US Broadband | Techdirt [11:37] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #iran #usdoj #imperialism #DOJ Seizes Iranian News Org Websites; Raising Many Questions https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210622/19052047041/doj-seizes-iranian-news-org-websites-raising-many-questions.shtml [11:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DOJ Seizes Iranian News Org Websites; Raising Many Questions | Techdirt [11:52] *koo6 (~koo6@ip-37-188-159-159.eurotel.cz) has joined #techrights [11:53] *koo6 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) ● Jun 25 [12:02] techrights-news Doing tons of work on the #techrights #gemini capsule today and some behind-the-scenes automation. Lots done do far today! I'm so pleased. [12:03] techrights-news To see #techrights gemini stats go to gemini://gemini.techrights.org/stats/index.gmi and for latest IRC logs visit gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi #geminiProtocol #geminiSpace #internet [12:04] techrights-news #HowTo Setup Internet in CentOS, RHEL, Rocky Linux Minimal Install http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152669 [12:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Setup Internet in CentOS, RHEL, Rocky Linux Minimal Install | Tux Machines [12:05] techrights-news #curl and #wget ought to add #geminiProtocol support. Better earlier than later... #internet #freesw [12:23] Ariadne [05:04] "every home" sounds overambitious [12:24] Ariadne i am just saying what was promised :) [12:24] Ariadne and our [12:24] Ariadne congress went along with it 100% [12:24] Ariadne here have 400 billion [12:48] schestowitz I need adding with tabs, does anyone know how to straighten columns when the difference in contents varies more than one tab's length? Example http://techrights.org/irc/ [12:49] schestowitz without having to parse each line and count chars [12:54] schestowitz my guess is that it is not possible and tabs can only compensate for <=5 chars diff, by default.. [12:54] schestowitz MinceR might know... I think he's good at these ascii things [12:57] schestowitz if only there was a long/double tab, but nope https://theasciicode.com.ar/ascii-control-characters/horizontal-tab-ascii-code-9.html [12:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theasciicode.com.ar | ASCII code Horizontal Tab, American Standard Code for Information Interchange, The complete ASCII table, characters,letters, vowels with accents, consonants, signs, symbols, numbers horizontal, tab,ascii,9, ascii art, ascii table, code ascii, ascii character, ascii text, ascii chart, ascii characters, ascii codes, characters, codes, tables, symbols, list, alt, keys, keyboard, spelling, control, printab ... ● Jun 25 [13:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.28 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 24.40 swarm size (avg): 304.58 [13:00] schestowitz ASCII tab turns out to mean something else completely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII_tab [13:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ASCII tab - Wikipedia [13:01] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_stop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tab_key#Tab-separated_values [13:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tab stop - Wikipedia [13:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Tab key - Wikipedia [13:08] techrights-news NEWS #Techdirt #Twitch Streamer Raptors Continue To Test Twitch's Appropriate Content Guideline Fencing https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210623/10513947045/streamer-raptors-continue-to-test-twitchs-appropriate-content-guideline-fencing.shtml [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Streamer Raptors Continue To Test Twitch's Appropriate Content Guideline Fencing | Techdirt [13:10] schestowitz doesn't look like sed can shorten/abbreviate n^th element [13:14] schestowitz tab length not even consistent across browsers :-o geckon and chrome-based not the same [13:14] schestowitz *gecko [13:16] techrights-news Ethics and hoarding https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/is-it-possible-to-become-very-wealthy-in-an-ethical-way-4175696803/#15 [13:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Is it possible to become very wealthy in an ethical way? [13:23] techrights-news #olympics are biased towards empires and superpowers (like old Greece). I mean, take relays for example; biased towards big countries as small countries cannot produce enough people of the same high standards. So medals hoarded by massive nations. [13:34] techrights-news #olympics / #ioc also rewards with medals the lesser good, if they're in medleys/relays of large countries. You can pick a good medal for the accomplishment of colleagues. [13:37] *sepsinn1 is now known as sepsinn ● Jun 25 [14:20] *Guest4384 is now known as birkoff [14:20] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [14:20] *birkoff (birkoff@user/birkoff) has joined #techrights [14:21] *job has quit (connection closed) [14:21] *job has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [14:25] *job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #techrights [14:26] *job (~job@user/job) has joined #techrights [14:44] XRevan86 schestowitz: freenode shows me 26750 as the number of users. That includes "invisible". [14:45] XRevan86 43344 on Libera, from which 43283 are "invisible" (almost everyone). [14:47] XRevan86 24966 on IRCnet [14:48] spazz >There are 20947 users and 5799 invisible on 21 servers [14:48] spazz >Current global users: 26746 Max: 27825 [14:48] spazz which one is correct [14:50] XRevan86 spazz: I don't know what invisible means, but considering how on Libera there are 61 users without them, they should be actual users. [14:51] XRevan86 "max" is a historical maximum [14:54] spazz i mean 20947 vs 26746 [14:54] spazz oh nvm [14:54] XRevan86 spazz: That's what I mean: the latter. [14:55] XRevan86 freenode's user count is freakishly stable while Libera continues to steadily grow. [14:56] spazz invisible means users with +i no? [14:58] XRevan86 I guess it's by default on Libera? [14:59] spazz yes [14:59] spazz used to be default on freenode too ● Jun 25 [15:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 30.30 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.15 swarm size (avg): 304.61 [15:01] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:04] spazz just noticed on freenode i have to manually send /names every time i want an updated list of users on a channel [15:05] Ariadne XRevan86: invisible just means not visible in global /who output btw [15:05] XRevan86 Ariadne: Yea, I read the man now [15:05] Ariadne XRevan86: i would say 90% of freenode's user count at this point is just abandoned crap [15:05] XRevan86 I want to set some user modes on the bridge now :) [15:06] Ariadne bots, bouncers, clients running in screen which haven't been attached for months or years [15:06] Ariadne some of those bots/bouncers/clients probably even belong to dead people [15:06] spazz i thought it's just some bug in my client but other clients are also affected [15:07] Ariadne what client are you using [15:07] spazz weechat [15:08] Ariadne what version [15:08] Ariadne some old ones have issues with inspircd [15:08] spazz what about hexchat [15:08] Ariadne same deal, old versions don't like inspircd [15:09] spazz i use v3.1 [15:09] gustaf weechat 2.8 here [15:10] XRevan86 Ariadne: What user modes does ergo have? [15:11] Ariadne anyway, leenode is running some contrib module crap which is supposed to "hide" netsplits [15:11] Ariadne so my guess is that its fucking with your clients [15:11] Ariadne :p [15:12] Ariadne XRevan86: same as charybdis basically [15:13] XRevan86 Ariadne: How to hide netsplits? [15:13] Ariadne it just suppresses sending the quits and joins when a netsplit happens [15:13] XRevan86 Just not show who parted due to them with a timeout? [15:14] Ariadne and then the ghost clients "ping out" after a while [15:14] XRevan86 I guess it makes things more pretty, but then some people who'd be shown as present will not receive some messages. [15:14] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@t9iche5f4se4y.irc) has joined #techrights [15:15] Ariadne glibc and gcc are planning to no longer require copyright assignment starting in august: https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2021-June/127581.html [15:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceware.org | Seeking input from developers: glibc copyright assignment policy. [15:15] DaemonFC Okay, I retained my attorney. He went ahead and filed a demand for trial with the state. [15:15] DaemonFC So no arraignment court in August. [15:16] XRevan86 When I see a person as present and that they're not disconnecting/reconnecting, I assume that they'll get my message eventually. [15:16] XRevan86 but they may not and even not know that something happened? [15:17] DaemonFC MinceR, I was talking to my attorney and I said, "Every time I deal with the police I feel like I'm walking around with a live grenade in my back pocket just waiting for it to go off. There's always something that they don't tell you.". [15:17] DaemonFC He said, "That's probably a good way to think of them.". [15:17] Librarian There's a parallel universe in which immibis encounters people he disagrees with, and he reacts to the disagreement by intelligently showing the evidence upon which his opinions are based. Alas, we do not inhabit that universe. We're stuck in this one, with the immibis whose very best contribution to any conversation is to scream "UR A RETARD LOL" with spittle flying from his mouth. [15:18] XRevan86 Ariadne: Is there some kind of message synchronisation logic present after the rejoin? [15:18] Ariadne fuck if i know :D [15:19] XRevan86 https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd-contrib/blob/master/3.0/m_zombie.cpp that's the module, right? [15:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inspircd-contrib/m_zombie.cpp at master inspircd/inspircd-contrib GitHub [15:20] Ariadne i guess so yeah [15:21] Ariadne this is an AMAZING GPL take: https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-June/236219.html [15:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Update to GCC copyright assignment policy [15:21] Ariadne if you use GPL code you do not have to care about copyright [15:21] Ariadne hahahahaha wow [15:24] XRevan86 Doesn't look like it tries to do anything with messages. [15:29] XRevan86 But it's possible that "zombification" is something InspIRCd itself can handle to work these things out. [15:30] schestowitz gpl is a (c)/CL licence [15:33] *CrystalMath (~coderain@frbqmqs9r3w6k.irc) has joined #techrights [15:34] techrights-news NEWS #CommonDreams #patents US Lawmakers Demand #EU 'Do the Right Thing or Get Out of the Way' on Covid-19 Vaccine #Patent Waivers https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/06/24/us-lawmakers-demand-eu-do-right-thing-or-get-out-way-covid-19-vaccine-patent-waivers [15:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | US Lawmakers Demand EU 'Do the Right Thing or Get Out of the Way' on Covid-19 Vaccine Patent Waivers | Common Dreams News [15:37] phobos/fn US law makers can go to hell [15:37] phobos/fn same people that refused to hear any evidence about voter fraud and are now acting surprised at the results of certain audits [15:41] Ariadne why would the people who 'won' the election want to hear about voter fraud lol [15:41] *techrights-news has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:42] psymin the same reason that scientists want their findings reviewed [15:42] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@22e8m8t4gqjin.irc) has joined #techrights [15:49] techrights-news NEWS #Tor #torproject Improving the user experience of connecting to Tor in #TorBrowser 10.5 https://blog.torproject.org/improving-ux-connecting-to-tor-105 [15:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Improving the user experience of connecting to Tor in Tor Browser 10.5 | Tor Blog [15:49] *job has quit (connection closed) [15:49] *job has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [15:54] techrights-news "Little Red Dog Games developer of Precipice, Deep Sixed and Rogue State Revolution spoke in an interview with #Linux hardware vendor #System76 about developing games on and for Linux." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/little-red-dog-games-say-theres-qno-reason-not-toq-do-linux-versions-of-games [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Little Red Dog Games say there's "no reason not to" do Linux versions of games | GamingOnLinux [15:57] techrights-news "it will also be supporting #Linux unlike the original." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/kathy-rain-directors-cut-will-have-50-off-if-you-own-the-original-plus-new-trailer [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Kathy Rain: Director's Cut will have 50% off if you own the original plus new trailer | GamingOnLinux [15:58] DaemonFC I pulled up Beavis and Butthead in the court computer. [15:58] DaemonFC They don't show up when THEY have court. [15:59] DaemonFC I sort of doubt there's a serious problem for me here. ● Jun 25 [16:01] techrights-news The #Mozilla Blog: Take control over your data with Rally, a novel #privacy -first data sharing platform https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/take-control-over-your-data-with-rally-a-novel-privacy-first-data-sharing-platform/ all this posing by Mozilla overlooks the fact #firefox needs WORK to make privacy-respecting [16:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Take control over your data with Rally, a novel privacy-first data sharing platform [16:03] techrights-news "This week weve been playing Subnautica Below Zero, going to the pub and teaching celebrities how to D&D. We have a retrospective on our FOSS Talk Live one-button challenge." https://ubuntupodcast.org/2021/06/25/s14e16-planet-hiding-forces/ [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntupodcast.org | S14E16 Planet Hiding Forces | Ubuntu Podcast [16:04] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152671 #Linux #TuxMachines [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:04] techrights-news #Games : Epic Games, Ultimate ADOM - Caverns of Chaos, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152670 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Epic Games, Ultimate ADOM - Caverns of Chaos, and More | Tux Machines [16:07] techrights-news #gnu #linux should be wiser... or wise enough NOT to give a platform or mention to #microsoft #vapourware (a smokescreen) [16:13] psymin techrights-news, can you elaborate on that? [16:13] schestowitz vista 11 spam [16:15] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152672 [16:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:17] *verbose (~verbose@xm5z894qxaqia.irc) has joined #techrights [16:20] techrights-news #MyGNUHealth 1.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152647#comment-30057 [16:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Welcome to MyGNUHealth, the Libre Personal Health Record | Tux Machines [16:22] techrights-news The MonKlock tells time using the Cistercian numeral system | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/06/25/the-monklock-tells-time-using-the-cistercian-numeral-system/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/25/#latest [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | The MonKlock tells time using the Cistercian numeral system | Arduino Blog [16:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:23] XRevan86 blabber.im as an XMPP server is discontinued. [16:23] techrights-news Annual Report 2020: Attracting new contributors to #LibreOffice https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/06/25/annual-report-2020-attracting-new-contributors-to-libreoffice/ #documentfoundation [16:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Annual Report 2020: Attracting new contributors to LibreOffice - The Document Foundation Blog [16:29] techrights-news #Copr repo with the latest #GNOME Software | Brno hat https://eischmann.wordpress.com/2021/06/25/copr-repo-with-the-latest-gnome-software/ #jirieischmann | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/25/#latest [16:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-eischmann.wordpress.com | Copr repo with the latest GNOME Software | Brno hat [16:32] techrights-news Josef Strzibny: #InvoicePrinter 2.2 with breakdowns of items https://nts.strzibny.name/invoiceprinter-2.2/ [16:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nts.strzibny.name | InvoicePrinter 2.2 with breakdowns of items [16:36] techrights-news How the #Apache Software Foundation selects open source projects http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152673 [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How the Apache Software Foundation selects open source projects | Tux Machines [16:36] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152674 #GNU #Linux [16:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:38] techrights-news #AMDVLK 2021.Q2.6 #Vulkan Driver Released - Removes Pre-Polaris / Pre-Raven Support - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDVLK-2021.Q2.6 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/25/#latest [16:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMDVLK 2021.Q2.6 Vulkan Driver Released - Removes Pre-Polaris / Pre-Raven Support - Phoronix [16:43] techrights-news Top 14 Free Open-source self-hosted alternatives for #GooglePhotos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152675 #freesw [16:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 14 Free Open-source self-hosted alternatives for Google Photos | Tux Machines [16:43] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:46] techrights-news #SUSE Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152676 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Leftovers | Tux Machines [16:47] wrycode Librarian: why are you still crying bro? [16:49] techrights-news " #Pimoroni Pico Wireless Pack is an add-on board for Raspberry Pi Pico adding a MicroSD card socket and ESP32 WiFi & Bluetooth module to the popular MCU board." Pico Wireless add-on board adds WiFi, Bluetooth and a Micro SD to Raspberry Pi Pico through an ESP32 wireless module. We just ask "but why?" [16:50] techrights-news " #Pimoroni Pico Wireless Pack is an add-on board for Raspberry Pi Pico adding a MicroSD card socket and ESP32 WiFi & Bluetooth module to the popular MCU board." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/25/pico-wireless-is-an-esp32-add-on-board-for-raspberry-pi-pico/ [16:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Pico Wireless Pack adds ESP32 WiFi & Bluetooth module to Raspberry Pi Pico - CNX Software [16:50] techrights-news The gentle Breeze could use a fiery companion: making a case for a second theme in #KDE Plasma http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152677 #gnu #linux [16:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The gentle Breeze could use a fiery companion: making a case for a second theme in KDE Plasma | Tux Machines [16:53] techrights-news #Devices : #Pimoroni Pico, Arduino, Raspberry Pi, LoRaWAN http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152678 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Devices: Pimoroni Pico, Arduino, Raspberry Pi, LoRaWAN | Tux Machines [16:55] techrights-news "In the last post, I mentioned that I will be working on Implementing active resource management in GNOME." https://nishalkulkarni.tumblr.com/post/654958606891040768 [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nishalkulkarni.tumblr.com | Nishal's Blog GSoC 2021 Part II - Tracking windows and... ● Jun 25 [17:00] techrights-news Canonical: #Ceph for Enterprise, a shared mission. https://ubuntu.com//blog/ceph-for-enterprise-a-shared-mission #ubuntu #gnu #linux [17:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ceph for Enterprise, a shared mission. | Ubuntu [17:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.16 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 18.33 swarm size (avg): 304.64 [17:00] techrights-news Im now using a binary #kernel with #Gentoo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152679 [17:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Im now using a binary kernel with Gentoo | Tux Machines [17:06] activelow ^ mainline kernel lacks some specific hardening features and isn't deblobbed either [17:11] activelow non source-based distributions which do not provide the tooling for full system integration from source (pkgsrc, portage) aren't entirely free and open either [17:14] activelow compiler options available are gigantic vendor lock-in to gcc (and llvm/clang) [17:17] XRevan86 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://sueddeutsche.de/wirtschaft/0-1.5332538 could be the reason for the blabber.im's shutdown. [17:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [17:19] techrights-news Links 25/6/2021: Sway 1.6.1 Wayland Compositor and InvoicePrinter 2.2 http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/sway-1-6-1-wayland-compositor/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/25/sway-1-6-1-wayland-compositor/ [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/6/2021: Sway 1.6.1 Wayland Compositor and InvoicePrinter 2.2 | Techrights [17:20] techrights-news #FreeSoftware : Mozilla Rally, Tor, LibreOffice and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152680 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software: Mozilla Rally, Tor, LibreOffice and More | Tux Machines [17:21] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152681 [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [17:21] activelow XRevan86: the letters which threatened me with incarceration originated in Munich [17:22] activelow german foreign intelligence office is located nearby munich [17:29] activelow police and surveillance apparatus is hijacked by party politics [17:29] schestowitz EPO is in Munich [17:31] activelow https://www.dw.com/en/cybercrime-industrial-espionage-and-the-bnd/av-18447121 [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Cybercrime: Industrial espionage and the BND | Made in Germany | DW | 12.05.2015 [17:32] techrights-news "Time to grab some really good RPGs here as GOG are giving away the whole Shadowrun Trilogy for 72 hours. Again, this is part of their Summer Sale to try and pull more customers to their #DRMfree store." #gnu #linux supported. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/gog-are-giving-away-the-shadowrun-trilogy-for-72-hours [17:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GOG are giving away the Shadowrun Trilogy for 72 hours | GamingOnLinux [17:33] techrights-news "In this video, I am going to show how to install #Garuda #KDE Dragonized 210621." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hZAdrwm3cg #gnu #linux [17:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How to install Garuda KDE Dragonized 210621 - YouTube [17:35] activelow maybe, since employment agency is located in Bavaria too (Nrnberg), they could shut down the data scrapers there first, which government subsidised themselves for "liberalisation" of labor market [17:35] activelow and maybe then, with the cash saved, pay engineers and scientists appropriately [17:36] techrights-news "The Wellcome Trust, which has arguably been second only to #BillGates in its ability to influence events during the #COVID19 crisis and vaccination campaign, launched its own global equivalent of the Pentagons secretive research agency last year" https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/06/investigative-reports/a-leap-toward-humanitys-destruction/ [17:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A Leap toward Humanitys Destruction - unlimitedhangout.com [17:37] techrights-news #CentOS 8 to #RockyLinux 8 Migration: A Step-by-Step Tutorial https://linuxiac.com/centos-to-rocky-linux-migration/ #linuxiac | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/25/#latest [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxiac.com | CentOS 8 to Rocky Linux 8 Migration: A Step-by-Step Tutorial [17:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:38] activelow schestowitz: https://geopolitics.co/2015/05/04/industrial-espionage-the-prime-incentive-for-mass-surveillance/ [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geopolitics.co | Industrial Espionage: The Prime Incentive for Mass Surveillance | Covert Geopolitics [17:38] activelow "Nearly half of German businesses have been attacked at least once by hackers or cyber spies" [17:39] activelow irony is this, governmental buereaucrats and agencies spied on ME, i didn't spy on them; they violated my rights, i didn't violate theirs [17:39] activelow what I did was terminating the contract with German Telecom headquarters for various reasons, 2005 [17:40] activelow another proposal for them I had was rethinking their associations after German Telecom was privatised, and whose lobby interests were served with this [17:42] techrights-news MyGNUHealth Personal Health Record 1.0 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152647#comment-30058 [17:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Welcome to MyGNUHealth, the Libre Personal Health Record | Tux Machines [17:46] techrights-news "In recent months, #Google has launched several efforts to strengthen open-source security on multiple fronts. One important focus is improving how we identify and respond to known security vulnerabilities without doing extensive manual work." https://security.googleblog.com/2021/06/announcing-unified-vulnerability-schema.html but Google works for #NSA so... [17:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-security.googleblog.com | Google Online Security Blog: Announcing a unified vulnerability schema for open source [17:49] techrights-news The #linuxfoundation now issues FUD against #linux ... and PAYING for it. Well, when #microsoft pays this foundation anything is possible! https://www.techradar.com/news/the-linux-kernel-may-not-be-quite-as-secure-as-it-should-be [17:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux kernel may not be quite as secure as it should be | TechRadar [17:52] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [17:53] techrights-news #HowTo Host Counter-Strike: Global Offensive #Server on #Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152682 #GNU #Linux [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Host Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Server on Ubuntu | Tux Machines [17:56] techrights-news That's the same #google that put 'weakened' (fake) #encryption inside #linux #kernel (it was removed only after tons of backlash; I also wrote to Torvalds about this) https://techbeacon.com/security/rust-linux-google-pays-isrg-pay-miguel-ojeda [17:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rust in Linux: Google pays ISRG to pay Miguel Ojeda | TechBeacon [17:57] techrights-news #Security: Patches, Google, and #LinuxFoundation http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152683 #Linux #TuxMachines [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Patches, Google, and Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [17:57] techrights-news The 13 Most Interesting Changes Of #Linux 5.13 From #Apple M1 To #Security Enhancements http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152684 [17:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The 13 Most Interesting Changes Of Linux 5.13 From Apple M1 To Security Enhancements | Tux Machines [17:59] schestowitz question @channel [17:59] schestowitz re: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152683 ● Jun 25 [18:00] schestowitz is it worth doing article/video [18:00] schestowitz in which it's mentioned how LF is helping to make FUD against Linux [18:00] schestowitz and Google claims to push Rust for "security" while putting insecure junk in the kernel? [18:00] schestowitz I don't want to pick on LF for weak points that aren't weak enough [18:01] schestowitz as that would distract from more potent criticism of them [18:01] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152685 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:08] techrights-news #Dedoimedo interviews: #KDE s pointiest stick, Nate Graham http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152686 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Dedoimedo interviews: KDE's pointiest stick, Nate Graham | Tux Machines [18:09] techrights-news #systemd 249-rc2 Released With New "ConditionOSRelease" Directive - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-249-rc2 #deletegithub #proprietarySoftware #OSPD #IBM [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-systemd 249-rc2 Released With New "ConditionOSRelease" Directive - Phoronix [18:12] techrights-news #GNU / #Linux -based #AtariVCS Review https://www.ign.com/articles/atari-vcs-review #ign | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/25/#latest [18:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Atari VCS Review - IGN [18:14] techrights-news #gnu #linux #VollaPhone "This phone was beyond strange, but so much fun exploring it. #UbuntuTouch has come quite a ways since I looked at it in 2020." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neG2Z21epLI [18:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Volla Phone | Using Linux Phone instead of Android or Apple - YouTube [18:17] schestowitz "question @channel" in http://techrights.org/irc/ -- feedback welcome. Don't want to leap onto an issue worth not exploring. [18:19] *activelow thinking [18:21] techrights-news #opensuse #gnu #linux "During this week, the updates have not caused any stir in the mailing lists, which is usually a good sign. We have released a total of 5 snapshots (0618, 0620, 0621, 0622, and 0623)." http://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2021/06/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2021-25/ [18:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dominique.leuenberger.net | openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2021/25 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*) [18:22] activelow don't think the frontlines are Google against Linux, it is commercial interests and espionage in conflict with linux [18:23] techrights-news #Openwashing of #Cisco , a proprietary #surveillance giant https://www.fosslife.org/how-foster-collaboration-open-source-0 [18:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslife.org | How to Foster Collaboration with Open Source [18:24] activelow Torvalds did object to rust [18:25] techrights-news #HPLIP Hewlett Packard printer drivers in #debian #gnu #linux based #EasyOOS https://bkhome.org/news/202106/hplip-hewlett-packard-printer-drivers.html [18:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bkhome.org | HPLIP Hewlett Packard printer drivers [18:26] schestowitz activelow: but who is torvalds? [18:26] schestowitz just some unruly bad person, according to his employer [18:26] schestowitz it's not his call to make [18:26] schestowitz [17:56] That's the same #google that put 'weakened' (fake) #encryption inside #linux #kernel (it was removed only after tons of backlash; I also wrote to Torvalds about this) https://techbeacon.com/security/rust-linux-google-pays-isrg-pay-miguel-ojeda [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rust in Linux: Google pays ISRG to pay Miguel Ojeda | TechBeacon [18:26] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [18:26] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/08/31/linux-should-reject-github/ [18:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Kernel Needs to Reject Rust for the Same Reason Linus Torvalds Rejects GitHub (Where Rust is Hosted and Developed) | Techrights [18:29] techrights-news #IBM / #RedHat: systemd, Ansible, and RHEL http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152687 [18:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat: systemd, Ansible, and RHEL | Tux Machines [18:34] techrights-news #freeswcache as #ram with Intel #Bootguard http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152688 #coreboot [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source cache as ram with Intel Bootguard | Tux Machines [18:34] activelow schestowitz: Linux kernel and Gentoo (who consider Google their friend) do preserve some loopholes to circumvent various issues, none of them are some monolithic entities with a common agenda either, even in the realm of Microsoft [18:35] techrights-news Mario Golf: Super Rush Works Day 1 on Yuzu/Ryujinx - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/mario-golf-super-rush-works-day-1-on-yuzu-ryujinx/ #boilingsteam #gnu #linux #games [18:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | Mario Golf: Super Rush Works Day 1 on Yuzu/Ryujinx - Boiling Steam [18:36] techrights-news "Nvidia is a lot more alive than Intel is, in terms of technology, and in this past week they have demonstrated their commitment to #Linux with the newest 470 drivers" https://boilingsteam.com/470-drivers-nvidia-steps-up-their-game/ http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | 470 Drivers: Nvidia Steps Up Their Game! - Boiling Steam [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [18:37] techrights-news DO NOT RELY ON #GOOGLE EVER! "Feedburner, which I have been using for years to serve email subscriptions, is ceasing the email service in a couple of weeks." https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=6167 [18:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bunniestudios.com | Email Subscription Plugin Migration bunnie's blog [18:40] techrights-news #Google fakes commitment to security (whilst undermining it) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152683#comment-30059 #gulag #backdoor #nsa [18:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Patches, Google, and Linux Foundation | Tux Machines [18:41] techrights-news #Games : Shadowrun Trilogy, #AtariVCS Reviewed, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152689 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: Shadowrun Trilogy, Atari VCS Reviewed, and More | Tux Machines [18:46] schestowitz activelow: I saw some people agreeing with that [18:46] schestowitz but how to argue my case on it, I'm not entirely sure yet... [18:46] schestowitz many thing that google wants real security [18:46] schestowitz [18:40] #Google fakes commitment to security (whilst undermining it) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152683#comment-30059 #gulag #backdoor #nsa [18:46] schestowitz The media, zdnet in this case, certainly promotes that storyline [18:46] schestowitz also, they banned windows [18:50] activelow schestowitz: to shed some more light onto this from my perspective (which i don't intend to impose exclusively here on your techrights channel) [18:51] techrights-news Online history will be written (and preserved) by those with least technical debt ;-) i.e. those who can keep their site/s online in spite of many software updates, bills (with #freesw no such issue) and so on... [18:52] techrights-news " #WordPress 5.8 Beta 4 is now available for testing!This software is still in development, so it is not recommended to run this version on a production site. Consider setting up a test site to play with it." https://wordpress.org/news/2021/06/wordpress-5-8-beta-4/ #cms #gpl #freesw [18:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News WordPress 5.8 Beta 4 WordPress.org [18:52] activelow i consider none of the mainstream systems be it either any GNU/Linux, Android or what Microsoft offers suitable, not at least compliant with regulations that those could be sold in germany [18:52] schestowitz depends [18:52] schestowitz gnu/linux has many systems/variant [18:52] schestowitz even bsd has many [18:52] schestowitz and some are unfit for purpose or proprietary [18:52] schestowitz like routers with back doors [18:53] schestowitz you don't want a reconnaissance drone with ubuntu on it [18:53] schestowitz because of many potential bugs, many severe [18:53] activelow "security" isn't specific or sufficiently defined either [18:54] activelow if Google and their developers are approached to implant something then they MUST do it [18:55] activelow besides Linux has little influence over what hardware is being sold with GNU/Linux being deployed to [18:55] techrights-news #mozilla Rally, sponsored by #google and says it'll give you privacy. My pole is 20 feet long. #firefox #www #BakerCorp [18:59] schestowitz activelow: that's a different issue [18:59] schestowitz usually a big problem in Internet-connected machines [18:59] schestowitz that connect over wifi or ethernet ● Jun 25 [19:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 33.48 swarm size (avg): 304.62 [19:00] techrights-news #Mozilla Performance Blog: Performance Sheriff Newsletter (May 2021) https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/06/25/performance-sheriff-newsletter-may-2021/ #firefox #www #freesw [19:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Performance Sheriff Newsletter (May 2021) Mozilla Performance [19:03] techrights-news #GNU #Linux on #Chromebooks: Underappreciated versatility as an app solution http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152690 #chromeOS #TuxMachines [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux on Chromebooks: Underappreciated versatility as an app solution | Tux Machines [19:03] techrights-news #LLVM #Clang 12 Benchmarks At Varying Optimization Levels, LTO http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152691 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LLVM Clang 12 Benchmarks At Varying Optimization Levels, LTO | Tux Machines [19:04] activelow it isn't linux kernel being junk or Torvalds to question for his credibility, it is hardware vendors and their contributions. in fact linux core components are few hundreds of lines of code only, the rest of several dozens of millions of lines of code are device driver modules and virtualisation bloat [19:04] activelow *hundreds of thousands [19:04] schestowitz millions even [19:04] schestowitz last I checked [19:04] schestowitz some drivers are half a million lines long [19:04] schestowitz like AMD [19:05] schestowitz nobody except AMD would check them [19:05] activelow i removed them [19:05] schestowitz but those types of drivers would not be required in small and simple systems [19:05] schestowitz the problem is that as storage gets cheap vendors throw large distros on devices where lots of stuff isn't required and raises the attack surface [19:05] schestowitz that's why some opt for openbsd [19:06] schestowitz or even netbsd [19:06] schestowitz Ariadne does security for alpine linux [19:06] schestowitz they go even further in removing cruft [19:07] schestowitz $ ps aux | wc -l [19:07] schestowitz 239 [19:07] schestowitz this is a webserver ! centos [19:11] *cow_2001 has quit (Quit: cow_2001) [19:12] activelow with compilers it is core components under heavy attack, regardless of GCC's qualities (lines of code again), it cannot be replaced with a true alternative (clang/llvm isn't any either) [19:15] techrights-news Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152692 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [19:15] activelow the security circus fuss around rust isn't the crucial aspect, it is the compiler(s) itself [19:15] techrights-news #Librem Themes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152693 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #GTK [19:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Librem Themes | Tux Machines [19:21] techrights-news A busy weekend ahead perhaps? Steam Play Proton 6.3-5 is out now | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/a-busy-weekend-ahead-perhaps-steam-play-proton-63-5-is-out-now #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/25/#latest [19:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A busy weekend ahead perhaps? Steam Play Proton 6.3-5 is out now | GamingOnLinux [19:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:25] techrights-news #linuxfoundation (whose staff runs #propriatarySoftware crap with #nsa back doors) nww suggests all sorts of cargo cult fake #security because of #OSTIF http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/ [19:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights [19:26] techrights-news #WordPress 5.8 Beta 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152694 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | WordPress 5.8 Beta 4 | Tux Machines [19:28] techrights-news #LinuxFoundation #openwashing #listeningdevices and promoting #Microsoft again https://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-linux-foundation-launches-open-voice-network-to-build-industrywide-digital-assistant-standards/ in their paid-for media partners http://techrights.org/2021/06/23/linux-foundation-and-linux-brand/ [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Linux Foundation launches Open Voice Network to build industrywide digital assistant standards - TechRepublic [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Time for Linus Torvalds to Enforce and Protect His Brand From Misuse by His Employer, the So-called Linux Foundation | Techrights [19:30] techrights-news #IBM reduced to a list of mostly mindless buzzwords https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/data-and-ai-developer-digital-conference-on-demand-replays-are-ready-for-you/ [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Data and AI Developer Digital Conference on-demand replays are ready for you IBM Developer [19:31] techrights-news Whether Linus Torvalds wishes to rock the boat thats the so-called Linux Foundation is totally up to him, but it might help if people contact him directly, especially longtime users and proponents of GNU/Linux. http://techrights.org/2021/06/23/linux-foundation-and-linux-brand/ [19:32] techrights-news https [19:33] techrights-news "I am aware that the small internet won't be sued soon, because no one cares. However hosting a service in the EU as a private person has become dangerous and you don't want to end up with a fine in the 10k range for infringement" #gdpr and #geminiProtocol https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006796.html [19:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | GDPR and the protocol implications [19:33] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [19:34] *Noisytoot (noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [19:38] activelow https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/5/5/527 , well well, gcc cannot be compiled with any sane compiler anymore (pcc or similar) [19:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org | LKML: "Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult": Re: [PATCH 00/13] [RFC] Rust support [19:38] MinceR 25 135416 <~schestowitz> my guess is that it is not possible and tabs can only compensate for <=5 chars diff, by default.. [19:38] MinceR indeed [19:39] activelow "Rust seems to be a fast moving target. Even building a Rust compiler can [19:39] MinceR if you can use some sort of format string to specify a width for a given field (and fill up the remaining part with spaces), it's doable [19:39] activelow be a pretty complex task" [19:39] *activelow waits [19:39] schestowitz I could not think of a workaround, MinceR [19:39] schestowitz like multi-tabbing before and after [19:39] gustaf time to go back to Pascal [19:39] schestowitz ah [19:39] activelow "Gcc, in constrast, itself can be built on older compilers" -> NO, it can't [19:41] activelow tried to track this some weeks ago, iirc it was some gcc 3.6 or 2.96 which could be compiled with tinycc (as a proof of concept), any later GCC is dead end [19:41] activelow another such act of sabotage was c++ lock-in to GCC [19:42] activelow GCC 4.7 iirc [19:42] MinceR schestowitz: multiple tabs are likely to become misaligned, but maybe it's not an issue in your case [19:43] schestowitz I am trying to align plaintext files [19:43] schestowitz as fields [19:43] schestowitz so designate a field x chars wide, with input for that field of varying lengths [19:44] schestowitz to make it more readable but also efficient enough (it's rerun every 5 mins) http://techrights.org/irc/ [19:45] schestowitz the alternative is to kickban everyone with a nickname too short or too long ;-) ;-) [19:45] activelow sadly linux kernel itself moved ahead locking out some old gcc versions itself too, meaning any later kernel version requires a minimum GCC version [19:45] schestowitz ("Sorry, come back with nickname between x and y long ;-" ) [19:46] activelow another problem was aarch64 isn't backported to anything predating gcc 4.7 iirc (could be in error with my judgement here) [19:47] MinceR schestowitz: or you could just do it like most sane irc clients do and not align for nicks at all [19:47] activelow so, what's the hassle with c++ in this context? even if gcc and clang were replaced with PCC for example (which lacks aarch64 too) then c++ support was missing to bootstrap gcc [19:47] MinceR i think it's pointless to waste a lot of space on screen just because nick lengths vary greatly [19:48] techrights-news Links 25/6/2021: WordPress 5.8 Beta 4 and Librem GTK Themes http://techrights.org/2021/06/25/librem-gtk-themes/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/25/librem-gtk-themes/ [19:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/6/2021: WordPress 5.8 Beta 4 and Librem GTK Themes | Techrights [19:49] techrights-news Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152695 [19:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [19:49] schestowitz MinceR: I try to turn irc into simpler things, like gemini [19:49] schestowitz whereas freenode wants to impose bloated apps with trackers [19:49] schestowitz it is an ongoing effort [19:50] gustaf IRC is as simple as it gets [19:50] schestowitz [19:47] schestowitz: or you could just do it like most sane irc clients do and not align for nicks at all [19:50] gustaf all the complexity is to combat abuse [19:50] schestowitz for fixed-width fonts it makes things less legible [19:50] gustaf becuase it is so simple [19:50] schestowitz gustaf: not as simple anymore [19:50] schestowitz as many run GUIs [19:50] schestowitz in techrights we have html and txt versions [19:51] schestowitz e.g. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-240621.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-240621.txt [19:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, June 24, 2021 [19:53] schestowitz for gemini, at the moment we're working with a read-only, no 'push', backend [19:53] schestowitz so no way to post /to/ IRC from that server [19:53] schestowitz unless you craft certain url requests [19:53] schestowitz which would in turn push an argument into the irc daemon [19:54] activelow a piece of history predating the rust attack: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc1MDQ [19:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linus Torvalds On GCC 4.9: Pure & Utter Crap - Phoronix [19:54] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/06/18/rusty-censorship/ [19:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Beware Mozilla and Rust, Theyre Not Friends of Free Software or Even of Free Speech | Techrights [19:54] schestowitz a lot has happened since then [19:55] schestowitz like Microsoft entering board of Rust Foundation, the newly-formed one [19:55] schestowitz I have little faith in those people [19:55] schestowitz and they want to make rust learning a requirement for doing kernel work, inc. understanding it [19:56] *mib_3aqmz9 (~5198ee27@q8ban9vyag5t6.irc) has joined #techrights [19:56] activelow schestowitz: i am not in opposition to rust (and improving upon coding skills), i am in opposition to the vendor lock-in with the compilers in question and their dependency graph [19:58] *mib_3aqmz9 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [19:59] XFaCE Abstraction has been proven a useful tool for vendor lock-in. [19:59] schestowitz they want more than one compiler [19:59] schestowitz and that would worsen things [19:59] schestowitz XFaCE: correct. [19:59] schestowitz even GUIs ● Jun 25 [20:00] schestowitz over time, and I've programmer since a teen, I found that all the GUI work I did was technical debt [20:00] schestowitz suddenly old programs can no longer run [20:00] schestowitz or barely run [20:00] schestowitz what was supposed to make life easy becomes a liability [20:01] schestowitz "Anyone know what the problem is with the #radeonhd IRC log that used to be maintained at RadeonHD.org? They haven't been updated since the 17th. " [20:01] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/linux-graphics-x-org-drivers/open-source-amd-linux/5733-irc-logs [20:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC Logs - Phoronix Forums [20:01] schestowitz #phoronix also stopped its own [20:01] schestowitz about 10 years ago [20:01] schestowitz Michael Larabel: "Oops, sorry about that. Somehow that process got killed and I just noticed it now... I've restarted the RadeonHD recording process so it should be back to normal. Thanks for reporting it!" [20:02] schestowitz "Oops, rebooted the server yesterday and forgot about restarting them They're back up now." [20:02] XFaCE XFaCE: correct. [20:02] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjUxNQ [20:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Phoronix IRC Channel - Phoronix [20:02] schestowitz 2008: "Due to the request of users on the Phoronix Forums, we now have a Phoronix IRC channel. On #phoronix at FreeNode.net you can discuss the latest Linux articles, hardware compatibility, the Phoronix Test Suite, and more. We'll have a web-based IRC chat log viewer on Phoronix in a few days. Enjoy!" [20:02] MinceR schestowitz: i see no legibility issues with fixed width + no alignment [20:02] XFaCE Not only that, but in order to lower the bar to do low level code using safe languages, it has lowered the quality of developer in my experience. [20:02] schestowitz this was months after we had done the same [20:03] schestowitz MinceR: if you scroll up in that example page, you will see what i mean http://techrights.org/irc/ [20:03] schestowitz though I found even different password set the tabbing length differently [20:03] schestowitz I thought about converting tabs to whitespaces [20:03] XFaCE Java isn't low-level, but an example of the principle of lowering developer quality [20:04] schestowitz to overcome this, but not sure how to then use it in another line-by-line pass to align the columns [20:04] schestowitz XFaCE: partly true [20:04] XFaCE The more the compiler compensates for the developer, the greater chance the developer will take less care [20:04] schestowitz the problem is CS depts that teach java [20:04] schestowitz it's ok to teach java, but not as alternative to low level and C [20:04] XFaCE Correct, it isn't Java itself [20:04] schestowitz because then students don't really understand how computers work [20:05] MinceR i think only one irc client i used did nick alignment (xchat) [20:05] XFaCE it's the corporate excuse of using Java to allow for lower skilled developers [20:05] MinceR and it turned out to be a waste of screen space [20:05] schestowitz they become like box booters to sys admins [20:05] MinceR and i only ever used fixed width typefaces with IRC [20:05] schestowitz MinceR: yes, xchat does this [20:05] gustaf weechat too [20:05] gustaf by default [20:05] schestowitz it puts a line and right-aligned nicks, then left-aligns what they say [20:06] schestowitz we want to move into a more text-centric feel/direction [20:06] schestowitz because it would simplify the gemini side [20:07] schestowitz this page almost looks OK now: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi [20:07] schestowitz almost [20:08] schestowitz one workaround was to put the nick at the end of lines [20:08] schestowitz but it would worsen things [20:08] schestowitz gemini does not do tables [20:10] schestowitz webproxy: https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/Proxy.sh?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fgemini.techrights.org%2Fchat%2Findex.gmi [20:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. [20:10] schestowitz this one does not even use 'unispace' [20:11] MinceR i think i disabled it pretty quickly in weechat [20:13] schestowitz a lot of gemini clients that are widely used work that way [20:14] schestowitz maybe I also wrongly assume many choose to render text files in their browsers using fixed width font [20:14] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjIyMQ [20:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IRC Archives At RadeonHD.org - Phoronix [20:14] schestowitz I think phoronix completely abolish those archives, too [20:15] schestowitz Yes, those links are all broken now,e.g. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=irc_viewer&d=2010-05-08 [20:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Hardware Reviews, Open-Source Benchmarks & Linux Performance - Phoronix [20:15] schestowitz via https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODIzMA [20:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-At This Rate, Don't Be Surprised If You See Steam Soon - Phoronix [20:16] schestowitz turns out that in freenode only 11 people are left in #phoronix [20:16] schestowitz including zoobab [20:17] schestowitz when I just checked I was 12th [20:17] schestowitz I suppose michael wants everything managed in his forums [20:17] schestowitz last I checked some years ago, michael wasn't even in the #phoronix IRC channel himself (not anymore) [20:18] schestowitz we need to think how to make commenting easier [20:18] schestowitz sans the spam [20:18] MinceR i think irc clients are easy enough to use [20:19] MinceR especially if i think about what sorts of simpletons i've seen use them [20:20] gustaf burn [20:20] schestowitz Kiwi IRC became very unreliable latelty [20:20] schestowitz and maybe we should just removed it unless they plan to repair it soon [20:20] schestowitz maybe due to limited capacity [20:21] schestowitz "Error Connecting (Error: xhr poll error)" [20:21] schestowitz every time, every browser [20:22] schestowitz https://www.reddit.com/r/snoonet/comments/5gn4bu/error_connecting_error_xhr_poll_error/ [20:22] schestowitz "Impressive; The last time this happened was in fact a year ago when the HTTPS certificates expired!" [20:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Error Connecting (Error: xhr poll error) : snoonet [20:22] schestowitz I think that is in fact the reason [20:22] schestowitz I saw something to that effect recently [20:22] activelow to move ahead i had to implement an arm64 backend for PCC, probably, fix u-boot loader related issues, compile/cross-compile kernel and busybox [20:22] activelow and then with use.mask cxx in place see what remains within the gentoo tree [20:22] schestowitz prawnsalad "One of the servers didn't get it's certificate update a few days ago but it has now been updated today. Let me know if you're still having any issues." [20:23] schestowitz I'll wait and see if they sort out the cert [20:23] schestowitz my understanding is that prawnsalad got fed up with this whole thing [20:24] activelow next problem: explain this to employment agency and Deutsche Telekom (which can sue me with ~20K already and raising claims of ~7% annually for their shareholders) [20:24] activelow hopefully i don't receiver another letter threatening me with incarceration, from munich [20:30] schestowitz there is also https://webchat.quakenet.org/ [20:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webchat.quakenet.org | QuakeNet Web IRC (qwebirc) [20:31] schestowitz they have a #ubuntu channel [20:31] schestowitz 5th biggest network https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png [20:32] techrights-news #freenode lost 2/3 of its users in a few months https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png [20:33] schestowitz webchat.se.quakenet.org used to be in the millions (of users) [20:34] schestowitz http://cgiirc.org/ [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cgiirc.org | CGI:IRC - Web based IRC Client [20:34] schestowitz last release 6 June 2017 [20:34] schestowitz it seems neat and simple [20:34] schestowitz http://cgiirc.blitzed.org/ [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cgiirc.blitzed.org | CGI:IRC Login [20:34] schestowitz also self-hosted [20:35] schestowitz https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/net/cgiirc [20:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-packages.debian.org | Debian -- Error [20:36] schestowitz "1. Ability to run CGI scripts using Perl 5.004 or greater" [20:36] schestowitz we meet this req [20:51] schestowitz wow [20:51] schestowitz this thing is almost 20 years old [20:51] schestowitz and barely works [20:51] schestowitz I tried on our own server [20:51] schestowitz no luck so far [20:56] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@xws4exwii8kvi.irc) has joined #techrights [20:57] schestowitz " [20:57] schestowitz Generally if you pay your host enough they will let you run CGI:IRC, but beware [20:57] schestowitz it does use a lot of memory because each user uses a web server process and a [20:57] schestowitz perl process. This is due to the stream based nature and the fact most [20:57] schestowitz webservers are designed to serve static content. [20:57] schestowitz " ● Jun 25 [21:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 28.78 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 30.58 swarm size (avg): 304.63 [21:00] schestowitz https://pkgsrc.se/chat/cgiirc https://www.freshports.org/irc/cgiirc/ [21:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pkgsrc.se | The NetBSD package collection [21:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freshports.org | FreshPorts -- irc/cgiirc: IRC web gateway written in Perl [21:02] schestowitz https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/1067/preferred-web-based-irc-application [21:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webapps.stackexchange.com | webapp rec - Preferred web based IRC application? - Web Applications Stack Exchange [21:02] schestowitz "If you need to host your own web IRC client, this is pretty much the only option I know for open source packages. Unfortunately, it hasn't been updated since 2006. " [21:02] schestowitz some years ago I tried installing https://qwebirc.org/ but had issues with that too [21:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qwebirc.org | News - the qwebirc project [21:03] schestowitz It moved to shithub a year before Microsoft stole it [21:04] schestowitz tons of python and openjdk [21:05] techrights-news #Proton 6.3-5 Adds Support for Civilization VI, Far Cry, Dark Devotion, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152696 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proton 6.3-5 Adds Support for Civilization VI, Far Cry, Dark Devotion, and More | Tux Machines [21:12] schestowitz/fn ignore (test) [21:13] schestowitz XFaCE: the tuxmachines channel bridge seems to be a one-way bridge, I've only just noticed [21:13] schestowitz or maybe permissions related issue [21:14] schestowitz ah, never mind, op fixed it! [21:15] XRevan86 RELAYMSG needs op, yes. [21:15] XRevan86 on this cool side of the bridge :) [21:16] schestowitz I've been experimenting with some self-hosted web based IRC clients [21:17] schestowitz the good ones are proprietary [21:17] schestowitz and centrealised to a degree [21:17] schestowitz like the IRC.com "app" I suppose [21:17] schestowitz taking IRC to the "next level" = privatising it [21:18] psymin :( [21:18] schestowitz freenode lost 2/3 of its users in a few months https://netsplit.de/networks/history/top10_2021u.png [21:18] schestowitz so Lee failed [21:18] schestowitz many "Apps" are just repackages web stuff [21:18] schestowitz like "ajax" (old term) [21:18] schestowitz nodejs etc. [21:19] *XRevan86 doesn't know how these KiwiIRC applications are designed. [21:20] XRevan86 https://github.com/kiwiirc/kiwiirc-mobile hm, it looks kind of differently [21:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - kiwiirc/kiwiirc-mobile [21:20] XRevan86 "nodejs" absolutely [21:21] schestowitz nodejs = don't even start1 [21:21] schestowitz ! [21:21] schestowitz Vue.js [21:21] schestowitz " [21:21] schestowitz Vue 70.6% [21:21] DaemonFC It seems that Microsoft is killing off Skype. [21:21] schestowitz JavaScript 23.6% [21:21] schestowitz SCSS 2.9% [21:21] schestowitz TypeScript 1.4% [21:21] XRevan86 It seems to be specifically written though, not repackaged. [21:21] schestowitz Ruby 1.1% [21:21] schestowitz CSS 0.4% [21:21] schestowitz " [21:21] schestowitz even some microsoft in the mix [21:22] schestowitz probably some files he reused [21:22] DaemonFC No mention of Skype at all in the Windows 11 announcement. [21:22] XRevan86 Apparently prawnsalad is just very-very JS oriented. [21:22] schestowitz DaemonFC: what's skype? [21:22] schestowitz TEAMS!! [21:22] DaemonFC My laptop has a hardware key to bring up Teams. [21:22] schestowitz 10000000000% growth [21:22] schestowitz in a few years [21:22] DaemonFC I guess Lenovo knew what was coming. [21:22] schestowitz SHareholders, buy our shit! [21:22] XRevan86 DaemonFC: In place of the ThinkVantage button maybe? :) [21:22] schestowitz ok, nap time [21:23] DaemonFC I still haven't received any word of that cardboard coffin shipping to send the laptop in for warranty. [21:24] techrights-news Will We Soon Be Running Linux On SiFive Cores Made By Intel? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152697 [21:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will We Soon Be Running Linux On SiFive Cores Made By Intel? | Tux Machines [21:25] techrights-news #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152698 #Linux #TuxMachines [21:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:25] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [21:27] *activelow (~activelow@kwqzqgznwnu6g.irc) has joined #techrights [21:32] MinceR why trust intel with that [21:32] activelow intel + xilinx or altera, don't remember who is who [21:43] activelow risc-v swaps the ISA only with the same business entities remaining vendor locked-in, with the required tooling for circuit design and deployment, compilers, leave alone fabrication capacity [21:43] MinceR and intel develops a hw backdoor for it [21:45] activelow the aggressive marketing to support risc-v seeks to attract devlopers and investors, legitimately maybe, to compete against ARM (which Nvidia intends to acquire) [21:47] activelow the only relevant option may be j-core.org, for which software infrastructure and compiler support exists, yet i am not convinced GCC is future-proof anymore either [21:51] activelow at Deutsche Telekom i had encountered Altera (with their tooling installed on windows systems of cause); an intel engineer visited us, issued a warning the business was short-lived, 5 years and a fab was taken down [21:54] activelow in retrospective, couldn't have imagined business interests swinging an axe against PCC compiler, TeX and anything relevant involved with this [21:59] activelow it is a ruinous act of sabotage against science and engineering, globally, which predates Trump and his "america first" ● Jun 25 [22:02] activelow once dust of this globalized economic warfare settled I doubt any more than a few PALs and GALs remain to fiddle together some traffic light circuitry at *free* Universities [22:02] MinceR it's what the NSA does, among others [22:05] DaemonFC schestowitz, It turns out that they did tuck something good into that "police reform" law. The courts can no longer impose driver's license suspension on people who don't pay traffic tickets. They have to find some other way to pressure you to come up with the money. [22:06] DaemonFC I've heard horror stories about people being nabbed repeatedly for driving without a license because the fines kept piling up and they could effectively never get it back. [22:06] DaemonFC Plus, with the complete wreck that is state IT, I wonder how many license suspensions were in error, or someone paid up to clear it and the DMV never got notified, etc. [22:10] DaemonFC It seems that a lot of people who do show up to contest their tickets have nothing to do that day for whatever reason while the people who just drop a ticket in the mail with a guilty plea and accept higher insurance rates (like MARISOL) actually do that because they are too busy to respond properly. [22:11] DaemonFC It reasons that the folks with nothing to lose by fighting it have all sorts of time on their hands, and so the system is actually biased against people who have to be at work and can't take off to fight a petty offense. [22:12] DaemonFC Since 95% of the public just drops the ticket in the mail and considers it a loss right away, the police have much incentive to ticket as many people as they can, whether they can bother to get their facts straight or not, or however likely or unlikely they are to prevail in court. If it never goes there, it doesn't matter. It's free money for the government. [22:14] DaemonFC It's a law of averages for me. I can demand trial and appear any time they tell me to. [22:15] DaemonFC Statistically, if you have an 80% chance of beating it outright and most of the remainder is court supervision (which you can't get if you drop it in the mail) that stops your insurance company from bilking thousands of dollars out of you over a ticket, and you have nothing better to do, you tell the state to put up or shut up. [22:16] DaemonFC schestowitz, I got into the court's computer and went over Beavis and Butthead's records. [22:17] DaemonFC They went on for several pages. Short story is at least one of them is litigious (Slippin' Jimmy) and both of them have criminal history where they fail to appear at their own trials. [22:18] DaemonFC That's what our society is turning into. The guy who goes to Walmart and slips on a banana peel. [22:18] DaemonFC Unfortunately, that's.....where this whole thing is at right now. [22:19] DaemonFC Thanks to modernization of the court system due to the Coronavirus, the level of information asymmetry is lower than it used to be. [22:20] DaemonFC MinceR, New York took away Rudy Giuliani's law license. [22:20] DaemonFC I guess his Braveheart routine on January 6th had some consequence, at least. [22:21] MinceR lol [22:23] DaemonFC I worked with my attorney to file a 505 motion. We got a trial that's my husband's day off anyway, so he can come to court and testify. [22:24] DaemonFC MinceR, I also couldn't pull the tape from the convenience store, but I was able to extrapolate what it may have seen, at the most. [22:24] DaemonFC There was nothing pointed at my part of the intersection where the other driver claims I made an incomplete stop. [22:25] DaemonFC I say that I did make a complete stop, but regardless.... [22:25] DaemonFC The state's burden is to prove that I didn't and without any direct evidence....That's harder, even if it were true. [22:26] DaemonFC The totality of the circumstances is probably a wash, in my opinion. [22:26] DaemonFC And if a judge is up there going "It's a 50/50 and nobody that is unbiased has any direct knowlesge of what went on.", that's not enough to reach "beyond a reasonable doubt". [22:28] DaemonFC The only people who are going to be called in to court don't want to be blamed and could potentially be saying anything to avoid blame as far as the judge would see it. [22:39] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [22:51] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:57] activelow anwyway, the *economic warfare* is sidelined by an *ideological* one too, to push politically motivated agendas agnostic towards the relevant technical concerns [22:58] activelow if navigated around vendor booby traps, it is almost certain to step foot onto an idealogically loaded mine [22:59] activelow this is the issue with state owned non-privates insitutions nowadays in germany, which are subverted and hijacked by insane party politics ● Jun 25 [23:00] techrights-ipfs-bot IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.45 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 27.13 swarm size (avg): 304.72 [23:10] XFaCE XFaCE: the tuxmachines channel bridge seems to be a one-way bridge, I've only just noticed [23:11] XFaCE Am I still there? [23:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: When I just brought the bridge to tuxmachines and ye said ye got it opped, I immediately restart it then to reset it if it's not persistent :) [23:14] XRevan86 is it persistent this time? [23:28] *psydroid (~psydroid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [23:36] immibis wow, 30 messages from DaemonFC and no racism, unless i missed it by skimming [23:39] *XRevan86 is a person of colour recognised by the Coalition of Communities of Color, by the way. [23:40] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@qzw7hexqbw2vc.irc) has joined #techrights [23:47] activelow my onion circuits interrupted rather often in recent 48hours again, yesterday my IRC box crashed even, which it rarely ever does [23:48] activelow which is somewhat ironic, if Munich wanted to read techrights news IRC logs are published for them [23:56] DaemonFC My lawyer said he hates Zoom too. [23:56] DaemonFC "I have trials that were taking ten minutes in person that take two hours on Zoom." because the call drops or the app isn't working right, or someone's microphone doesn't work, or other people keep turning theirs on and breathing into them and rubbing them up and down their face. [23:57] DaemonFC I can see how it would piss him off. It's normally go down to the court house, motion up all your cases, bust four or five out, and you get to bill each one of them for an hour even though it took you 20 minutes tops, including driving down there and back, each one. [23:59] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving)