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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/2001185 | Sep 25 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4290797) | Sep 25 12:23 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/windows-xp-source-code-reportedly-posted-to-4chan | Sep 25 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Windows XP Source Code Reportedly Leaked, Posted to 4chan | Tom's Hardware | Sep 25 13:10 | |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: really that is more a head ache for reactos and wine than anything useful.l | Sep 25 13:13 |
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| MinceR | that describes all versions of windows | Sep 25 13:16 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: in this case that the source code is leaked if Microsoft developer starts claiming nicked code you then have to go though the annoying audit process to prove it not. | Sep 25 13:26 |
| oiaohm | So even more less useful than Windows is normally. | Sep 25 13:27 |
| oiaohm | only parties who can really use the leaked source is those writing exploits. | Sep 25 13:27 |
| MinceR | and those who will start distributing modified underground versions :> | Sep 25 13:33 |
| MinceR | provided they can get the damn thing to build, that is | Sep 25 13:33 |
| zoobab | WinXP source code leaked | Sep 25 13:37 |
| zoobab | https://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-xp-source-code-leaked-online-on-4chan-out-of-all-places/ | Sep 25 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows XP source code leaked online, on 4chan, out of all places | ZDNet | Sep 25 13:37 | |
| zoobab | ms_patents.7z is 25GB | Sep 25 13:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 25 13:42 |
| scientes | who cares | Sep 25 13:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The part that made me laugh was "Maybe people can write device drivers and create new distributions." of Windows XP. | Sep 25 13:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, I don't think that the compiler that Microsoft uses has ever been released. | Sep 25 13:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it would break the ABI and then any drivers for Windows XP and at least some software wouldn't work anymore. | Sep 25 13:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not just source code, right. You have to keep using the same compiler. | Sep 25 13:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there's the problem that it wouldn't be legal to distribute a modified version of Windows XP. | Sep 25 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | or, in other words, highly illegal | Sep 25 14:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Microsoft hasn't supported XP in over 6.5 years, but people are still using it, and the activation servers still work. | Sep 25 14:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're keeping the activation servers on because they don't want to be sued. | Sep 25 14:02 |
| psydroid | or, in other words, do they do this on purpose or are they simply stupid? or both? | Sep 25 14:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll just wait until everything stops pinging the activation server in another 10 or 20 years because it's all broken down and then they'll shut it down. | Sep 25 14:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hell, the internet checkers server was still up until June of this year and that came with Windows Me. | Sep 25 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Couldn't they just release an update that axes activation off? Isn't that anti-feature just a little bit useless? | Sep 25 14:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not difficult for a company of their size to just keep the activation server software for XP running in a virtual machine. | Sep 25 14:03 |
| psydroid | they should be as protective as possible with the source code, so we can ignore it and go on with our lives without caring about being sued for one reason or another | Sep 25 14:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At one point in the early 2000s they said when XP reached end of life, they'd release a tool for removing Product Activation. | Sep 25 14:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They never did. | Sep 25 14:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, that's what they told all of us to say on MSN chat if anyone asked "Well what happens in 10 years or so if Microsoft doesn't support it and my computer still works?". | Sep 25 14:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Turns out Windows XP was unusually long lived and ended up getting a third service pack that wasn't even planned. | Sep 25 14:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was one of those "Just enough to keep it going for a few more years." deals. You could tell that by a year or two into Vista's life cycle, Microsoft was aggravated that nobody was buying it. | Sep 25 14:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then they had to start promoting Windows XP again because Intel releases this low power Atom processor that could never run Vista or 7. | Sep 25 14:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they were a victim of their own success with XP and their own disaster with Vista. By the time Window 7 started getting off the ground, Windows XP was pushing 10 and there was still stuff you could buy with it. | Sep 25 14:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | OEMs wanted to push cheap computers, and cheap computers couldn't run Vista. They lied and said they could sometimes, but they really couldn't. | Sep 25 14:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft came up with a "Vista Capable and Vista Premium Ready" certification, and the Vista Capable certification only required that it ran at all, and with AERO turned off so it looked like shit. Still ran like shit too. | Sep 25 14:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft actually blamed Intel for this. | Sep 25 14:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, "Oh they made us do Capable because they wanted to keep selling old hardware stockpiles and say you could run Vista on it. We fought and we fought but in the end we were just totally powerless to not do a Vista Capable certification of our own OS.". | Sep 25 14:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It wasn't a lie. You could run Vista on it, but you couldn't really use it for anything because it was just so slow and choppy, even with AERO turned off. | Sep 25 14:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you did shell out for a nice PC, Vista actually pretty much ran okay. | Sep 25 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | until it bugs out | Sep 25 14:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, yeah. | Sep 25 14:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They got rid of AERO on Windows 10 so it would look like crap everywhere, but it would run on lower end systems. | Sep 25 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Um, no, it just looks differently. | Sep 25 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | Compositing and effects are very much there. | Sep 25 14:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, there was a dll injection thing that turned it back into AERO Glass on Windows 8. | Sep 25 14:28 |
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| Ariadne | who the fuck honestly cares about windows xp source code | Sep 25 14:45 |
| Ariadne | "but malware" | Sep 25 14:47 |
| Ariadne | the OS has been EOL for years, if youre still running XP its a kick me sign | Sep 25 14:47 |
| Ariadne | its like running any other OS that is EOL | Sep 25 14:47 |
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| MinceR | s/XP/windows/ | Sep 25 14:50 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Sep 25 14:50 |
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| Ariadne | sure, but XP especially so | Sep 25 14:51 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: the complier is most likely the one in the DDK that Microsoft released for windows xp. | Sep 25 14:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVZaZ8yO6o | Sep 25 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Portal 2: End Credits Song 'Want You Gone' by Jonathan Coulton [1080p HD] - YouTube | Sep 25 15:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Portal 2 didn't make much sense. | Sep 25 15:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why would GLaDOS ever want Chell dead? | Sep 25 15:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From what we know, Chell is the last survivor of the testing process and something cataclysmic has happened in the outside world, possibly making Chell the last human alive. | Sep 25 15:34 |
| MinceR | maybe that's why | Sep 25 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's also established that GLaDOS's "body" affects her mind in a negative way, inducing a sort of psychotic need to test. It rewards test completions with some sort of orgasm. | Sep 25 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GLaDOS mentions after Wheatley stuffs her in a potato battery that her mind was powerful enough to overcome a lot of that and not become drunk with power. | Sep 25 15:35 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/ft3fts.jpg | Sep 25 15:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But Wheatley was designed to be an idiot to be attached to GLaDOS to feed her bad ideas and slow down her ability to think. | Sep 25 15:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So as soon as the player plugs him into the chair, he goes crazy and neglects to maintain the fusion reactor powering the facility, which almost results in a nuclear explosion. | Sep 25 15:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He "fixes" it by shutting down the warning that the place is about to explode and ordering Chell to continue testing. | Sep 25 15:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He stole tests from GLaDOS and started smashing them together after he realized that he was too stupid to make his own. | Sep 25 15:39 |
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| MinceR | (cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/04/78092ee2f0d7f60f.jpg | Sep 25 16:02 |
| scientes | that picture is rediculous | Sep 25 16:04 |
| scientes | so you see the difference in the pictures at the top? https://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~oliveira/pubs_files/CVD_Simulation/CVD_Simulation.html | Sep 25 16:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.inf.ufrgs.br | A Physiologically-based Model for Simulation of Color Vision Deficiency | Sep 25 16:05 | |
| scientes | or is it just me | Sep 25 16:05 |
| MinceR | i can see them | Sep 25 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | [14:47] <Ariadne> the OS has been EOL for years, if youre still running XP its a kick me sign | Sep 25 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Trump's GP still ran XP in 2016 | Sep 25 16:14 |
| Ariadne | running any OS that is no longer receiving security updates is a bad idea | Sep 25 16:14 |
| Ariadne | ESPECIALLY if you're a doctor | Sep 25 16:14 |
| schestowitz | honeypot doc | Sep 25 16:14 |
| Ariadne | that HAS to be a HIPAA violation | Sep 25 16:14 |
| schestowitz | who will enforce the law? | Sep 25 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I mean, Trump's GP | Sep 25 16:15 |
| schestowitz | posting official white house comms and threats to bomb nations... from a lousy Chinese phone while taking a dumb on his toilet sear | Sep 25 16:16 |
| schestowitz | *seat | Sep 25 16:16 |
| schestowitz | *sump | Sep 25 16:16 |
| schestowitz | *dump | Sep 25 16:16 |
| Ariadne | who knows | Sep 25 16:16 |
| Ariadne | but that's basically like | Sep 25 16:17 |
| Ariadne | running say, Debian 3.0 | Sep 25 16:17 |
| Ariadne | in 2020 | Sep 25 16:17 |
| schestowitz | it's s self-wiring satire | Sep 25 16:17 |
| schestowitz | *writing | Sep 25 16:17 |
| schestowitz | too many typos today | Sep 25 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I should stop | Sep 25 16:17 |
| schestowitz | even some typos in pleroma earlier | Sep 25 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | https://smbc-comics.com/comic/shift | Sep 25 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Shift | Sep 25 16:33 | |
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| psydroid | https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-fact | Sep 25 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.justice.gov | U.S. V. Microsoft: Court's Findings Of Fact | Sep 25 16:38 | |
| psydroid | it's survival of the fittest, obsolete docs go extinct | Sep 25 16:39 |
| schestowitz | One day it'll be a broken link | Sep 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | over the past 20 years not much was done to break dow giants | Sep 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | or to prevent further consolidation of power | Sep 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Splitting of Microsoft scuttled when Gates sucked up to Bush | Sep 25 16:40 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/13/bill-gates-not-a-liberal/ | Sep 25 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Quit Calling Bill Gates a Liberal | Techrights | Sep 25 16:41 | |
| schestowitz | 20 #covid19 deaths so far in Italy (today). The first shock taught them well, but they too lose control (again). Germany also... | Sep 25 16:43 |
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| schestowitz | viera restarted, Ariadne? | Sep 25 16:59 |
| Ariadne | had to reboot server | Sep 25 16:59 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Sep 25 17:00 |
| schestowitz | since the upgrade of hv in Easter we never needed to reboot tuxmachines or techrights even once | Sep 25 17:00 |
| schestowitz | it used to be crashing a lot before the patches (qemu I assume) | Sep 25 17:01 |
| Ariadne | AttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock' | Sep 25 17:02 |
| Ariadne | im really | Sep 25 17:02 |
| Ariadne | getting tired of python | Sep 25 17:02 |
| schestowitz | did it bump it up to python3? | Sep 25 17:03 |
| schestowitz | there was a stable new release of python3 yesterday | Sep 25 17:03 |
| schestowitz | [00:47] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #techrights Links 25/9/2020: #PostgreSQL 13, #DragonFly #BSD 5.8.2 and #Python 3.8.6 http://techrights.org/2020/09/24/python-3-8-6/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/a20945f8-c625-4778-9c16-aca353941d14] | Sep 25 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/9/2020: PostgreSQL 13, DragonFly 5.8.2 and Python 3.8.6 | Techrights | Sep 25 17:03 | |
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| schestowitz | [19:25] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #Python 3.8.6 https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-386/ "The Python 3.8 series is the newest major release of the Python programming language, and it contains many new features and optimizations." [https://pleroma.site/objects/3e91361b-c3ee-4d45-a446-b578514c087c] | Sep 25 17:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Python Release Python 3.8.6 | Python.org | Sep 25 17:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site | Sep 25 17:04 | |
| Ariadne | yes, that is precisely what happened. | Sep 25 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: Why would you need that function? | Sep 25 17:04 |
| Ariadne | i wouldn't | Sep 25 17:04 |
| Ariadne | pycrypto would. | Sep 25 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | It's a Python2 function | Sep 25 17:05 |
| Ariadne | yes, i know | Sep 25 17:05 |
| schestowitz | entrypy from clock?/ | Sep 25 17:05 |
| schestowitz | entropy | Sep 25 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Probably just to implement monotonic clock. | Sep 25 17:05 |
| Ariadne | ok | Sep 25 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | It's just a C's clock function. | Sep 25 17:05 |
| Ariadne | its coming back | Sep 25 17:05 |
| schestowitz | cheers ;-) lovely | Sep 25 17:06 |
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| *schestowitz lost track of IRC bots techrights has had over the years | Sep 25 17:06 | |
| XRevan86 | processor clock is monotonic | Sep 25 17:06 |
| *schestowitz recalls the identi.ca bots we had | Sep 25 17:06 | |
| XRevan86 | can't think of any other useful properties under Pyrthon | Sep 25 17:06 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/pycrypto/pycrypto/blob/master/lib/Crypto/Random/_UserFriendlyRNG.py#L76 | Sep 25 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pycrypto/_UserFriendlyRNG.py at master · pycrypto/pycrypto · GitHub | Sep 25 17:07 | |
| Ariadne | for whatever reason, viera decided it was a good time to rotate its actor key | Sep 25 17:07 |
| Ariadne | which did not work because of this pycrypto issue | Sep 25 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: It's not Python's fault though. | Sep 25 17:08 |
| Ariadne | sure it is. they removed it in a point release. | Sep 25 17:08 |
| XRevan86 | Ariadne: which? | Sep 25 17:08 |
| Ariadne | 3.8 | Sep 25 17:09 |
| Ariadne | they should make python 4.0 | Sep 25 17:09 |
| Ariadne | if they are going to remove a bunch of shit | Sep 25 17:09 |
| Ariadne | :) | Sep 25 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | $ python3 --version | Sep 25 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | Python 3.7.3 | Sep 25 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | $ python3 -c 'import time; print(time.clock())' | Sep 25 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | DeprecationWarning: time.clock has been deprecated in Python 3.3 and will be removed from Python 3.8: use time.perf_counter or time.process_time instead | Sep 25 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | I see… | Sep 25 17:10 |
| schestowitz | I had similar issues with php | Sep 25 17:14 |
| schestowitz | frameworks not being backward-compatible means faster Internet rot | Sep 25 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | PHP itself is very reluctant of removing crap. | Sep 25 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | PHP 7.0 and PHP 8.0 remove some, of course. | Sep 25 17:16 |
| schestowitz | chains of deprecation = data loss] | Sep 25 17:18 |
| schestowitz | wordpress x needs php y needs mysql z | Sep 25 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | WordPress has crazy low requirements, I don't know how they do that. | Sep 25 17:19 |
| schestowitz | so old and possible essential code needs a whole stack of old stuff | Sep 25 17:19 |
| schestowitz | or must be rewritten again and again | Sep 25 17:19 |
| schestowitz | wordpress is good at backward compat | Sep 25 17:20 |
| schestowitz | drupal is a joke | Sep 25 17:20 |
| schestowitz | each major release almost demands you start all over again | Sep 25 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | As someone who updates with Debian on time, I cannot relate. | Sep 25 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Drupal? | Sep 25 17:22 |
| schestowitz | I recently set up wordpress for scratch on a ubuntu machine | Sep 25 17:23 |
| schestowitz | not mine | Sep 25 17:23 |
| schestowitz | and the wordpress step was wget, untar etc. | Sep 25 17:23 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: No, I don't use Drupal, but its requirements fit what I'm using. | Sep 25 17:23 |
| schestowitz | the CMSs aren't too well managed by the package managers, or people tend not to trust that route | Sep 25 17:23 |
| schestowitz | apt-get wordpress does get something | Sep 25 17:23 |
| schestowitz | but it's not what you then use | Sep 25 17:24 |
| schestowitz | cd /tmp && wget https://wordpress.org/latest.tar.gz | Sep 25 17:24 |
| schestowitz | tar -xvf latest.tar.gz | Sep 25 17:24 |
| schestowitz | cp -R wordpress /var/www/html/ | Sep 25 17:24 |
| schestowitz | chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/html/wordpress/ | Sep 25 17:24 |
| schestowitz | chmod -R 755 /var/www/html/wordpress/ | Sep 25 17:24 |
| schestowitz | mkdir /var/www/html/wordpress/wp-content/uploads | Sep 25 17:24 |
| schestowitz | apt-get install wordpress | Sep 25 17:25 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: WordPress from the repos is fine. | Sep 25 17:25 |
| schestowitz | vim /var/www/html/info.php | Sep 25 17:25 |
| schestowitz | the apt-get route was skipped mostly | Sep 25 17:25 |
| schestowitz | but it gets the underlying lamp deps | Sep 25 17:25 |
| XRevan86 | Unless you really need the newest WordPress. | Sep 25 17:25 |
| XRevan86 | I just have someplace that is almost orphaned, so it's nice that at least apt takes care of security issues there. | Sep 25 17:26 |
| *schestowitz tries to recall how we came to this tropic | Sep 25 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | *topic | Sep 25 17:29 |
| schestowitz | something about php and python versions | Sep 25 17:29 |
| schestowitz | I am starting to loathe those frameworks with a passion, for any site that needs decades-long preservation | Sep 25 17:29 |
| schestowitz | groklaw uses geeklog | Sep 25 17:29 |
| schestowitz | well, USED | Sep 25 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Python 3.8 removed time.clock() | Sep 25 17:29 |
| schestowitz | now it's a broken site | Sep 25 17:29 |
| schestowitz | just static pages of the originals | Sep 25 17:30 |
| schestowitz | with lots of broken links, still hosted by ibiblio | Sep 25 17:30 |
| schestowitz | when was the last geeklog release? | Sep 25 17:30 |
| schestowitz | probably some ancient version of php required | Sep 25 17:30 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <XRevan86> schestowitz: Python 3.8 removed time.clock() | Sep 25 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I highly doubt due to security concerns | Sep 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | if you consider what and how it's implemented | Sep 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe some "new" "shiny" API | Sep 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | like the ones MinceR loves | Sep 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | so hey, let's warn people and then take it away | Sep 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | "use this new thing! We DELETE the old way" | Sep 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | like Linux does floppy disks, modems, etc." | Sep 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | for 'security' | Sep 25 17:31 |
| schestowitz | as if it's a big threat when it's not loaded and you don't have those drives and modems | Sep 25 17:32 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I'll try to look up the rationale. | Sep 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | "think of the ISO's belly!" | Sep 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | the shelf of computers is aweful | Sep 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | awful | Sep 25 17:32 |
| schestowitz | not they do the same to programs and sites that are programs (not static) | Sep 25 17:33 |
| schestowitz | so libraries are accessible and readable for like 10-50 times longer than a Web site | Sep 25 17:33 |
| schestowitz | [16:38] <psydroid> https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-fact | Sep 25 17:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.justice.gov | U.S. V. Microsoft: Court's Findings Of Fact | Sep 25 17:33 | |
| schestowitz | [16:40] <schestowitz> One day it'll be a broken link | Sep 25 17:33 |
| XRevan86 | But 3.3 was a long time ago, not that many Python3 ports existed back then. | Sep 25 17:33 |
| schestowitz | the cost of repairing old pages at some stage vastly exceeds the worth of diminishing number of people who access those pages | Sep 25 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | > Deprecated since version 3.3: The behaviour of this function depends on the platform: use perf_counter() or process_time() instead, depending on your requirements, to have a well defined behaviour. | Sep 25 17:34 |
| schestowitz | maybe do a raku | Sep 25 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently it's because it can do unpredictable things depending on where the user is running it. | Sep 25 17:34 |
| schestowitz | don't mess up what already works | Sep 25 17:34 |
| XRevan86 | pycrypto died 6 years ago, which is probably what caused this ordeal in the first place. | Sep 25 17:36 |
| XRevan86 | Except Python 3.3 released in 2012 and so it had to have warnings popping up for two years before finally dying. | Sep 25 17:36 |
| schestowitz | not sure it makes that ok | Sep 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | they could alias the function | Sep 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | assuming that input/output it similar | Sep 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | if not, you could make a transient fuction | Sep 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | and someone make that backward compatible | Sep 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | not a huge pain to maintain | Sep 25 17:41 |
| schestowitz | the behaviour can be made to look the same | Sep 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | and encourage people not to use the old function, which is still in principle supported with an alias | Sep 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | but they don't car | Sep 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | *care | Sep 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | mind you, I don't do python much | Sep 25 17:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: The behaviour is exactly the problem. | Sep 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | just hacking on code, rarely | Sep 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | but I have spoken to some who do | Sep 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | figosdev for instance | Sep 25 17:42 |
| schestowitz | and he hates what they do with newer versions | Sep 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | he sticks with pypy where he can | Sep 25 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | I do think it's important that they indeed warned about this, for 8 years now. | Sep 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | some programs still used it | Sep 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | removing it means an update would break programs | Sep 25 17:43 |
| XRevan86 | and it's an easy patch anyway | Sep 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | if you are a coder | Sep 25 17:43 |
| schestowitz | I had the same issues in php | Sep 25 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I need to hack the cms code to make it stop complaining, warning, or completely failing | Sep 25 17:44 |
| schestowitz | even for stuff I no longer write or update | Sep 25 17:44 |
| schestowitz | phpwiki was one example | Sep 25 17:44 |
| schestowitz | had to migrate manually to DokuWiki https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki | Sep 25 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dokuwiki.org | dokuwiki [DokuWiki] | Sep 25 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | for two wikis I did not bother | Sep 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | so left with just some old DBs that aren't accessible from the web interface anymore | Sep 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Gallery1/ | Sep 25 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | | Sep 25 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | watch what happened when I moved to galllery2 | Sep 25 17:46 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Gallery | Sep 25 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Gallery | Sep 25 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | and that's after trying to hack older versions to still work with newer PHP versions | Sep 25 17:46 |
| schestowitz | now no thumbnails | Sep 25 17:46 |
| schestowitz | gallery 3 seems stale now | Sep 25 17:46 |
| XRevan86 | older versions – PHP 4? | Sep 25 17:47 |
| schestowitz | it's used in http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/ | Sep 25 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Roy and Rianne's Wedding and Beyond | Sep 25 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: can't remember | Sep 25 17:47 |
| schestowitz | but think 2003 | Sep 25 17:47 |
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| Chaekyung | You guys are aware that the source for some old microsoft game thing called "Windows XP" was released today? | Sep 25 17:54 |
| XRevan86 | Chaekyung: yes | Sep 25 17:55 |
| schestowitz | garbage in, garbage out | Sep 25 17:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe the 'new' FSF wants that | Sep 25 17:55 |
| schestowitz | to "upcycle" | Sep 25 17:55 |
| schestowitz | they send a blank drive to Microsoft | Sep 25 17:55 |
| Chaekyung | FSF called for Microsoft releasing XP source code like a month ago | Sep 25 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | Chaekyung: Just as useless as the previously released parts of Windows 2000. | Sep 25 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | Chaekyung: It's a "leak", not the same thing as releasing the source code under a free licence. | Sep 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | [17:56] <Chaekyung> FSF called for Microsoft releasing XP source code like a month ago | Sep 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | A month? | Sep 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | also, it was vista7 maybe? | Sep 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | "bad vista" | Sep 25 17:57 |
| Chaekyung | Actually it was Windows 7 and it was January https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/tell-microsoft-to-upcycle-windows-7-set-it-free | Sep 25 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Tell Microsoft to upcycle Windows 7. Set it free! — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Sep 25 17:57 | |
| *Chaekyung confuses sometimes | Sep 25 17:57 | |
| schestowitz | this leak is useless | Sep 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | because Microsoft is a law firm | Sep 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | disguised as software company | Sep 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | the leak does not change the licence | Sep 25 17:57 |
| schestowitz | and if you like dmca ping-pongs, have fun... | Sep 25 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Windows is shit | Sep 25 17:58 |
| schestowitz | because of the licence | Sep 25 17:58 |
| schestowitz | not only that | Sep 25 17:58 |
| schestowitz | but wine is more important to us all | Sep 25 17:58 |
| schestowitz | it'll be interested if instead of pushing wsl like a drug lord/pushers, Microsoft will decide to help | Sep 25 17:59 |
| XRevan86 | This puts even more pressure on Wine. | Sep 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | wine | Sep 25 17:59 |
| Chaekyung | I think it's fun that the Windows XP source is out. I agree it doesn't change much but I'm one of those who really don't care. I switched to some RedHat 2.0 or something before XP was released | Sep 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | that would help gnu/linux, so won't happen any time soon | Sep 25 17:59 |
| Chaekyung | so I never used it and I never really cared what went on in the wintendo world | Sep 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | wine is important for 'legacy' software at least | Sep 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | [17:59] <XRevan86> This puts even more pressure on Wine. | Sep 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | but the code of wine is openly accessible | Sep 25 17:59 |
| schestowitz | plagiarism from microsoft's proprietary crap would not be possible to hide now | Sep 25 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Pressure as in "prove you didn't steal the code from a leak" | Sep 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | in fact, prior to it Microsoft could asset "VIOLATION" | Sep 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | now we have WINE code and Microsoft code to compare | Sep 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | so we can strike back | Sep 25 18:00 |
| schestowitz | unlike SCO case | Sep 25 18:00 |
| Chaekyung | Good point about the code being comparable | Sep 25 18:01 |
| Chaekyung | since I know wine developers never looked at the source, it's nice to know that they can no say GFY to MS if they try to claim they have any rights over Wine code because it's plain visible that it's not the same code | Sep 25 18:02 |
| schestowitz | I saw someone earlier saying the same: | Sep 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | [13:13] <oiaohm> DaemonFC[m]: really that is more a head ache for reactos and wine than anything useful.l | Sep 25 18:03 |
| schestowitz | reactOS uses wine | Sep 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | so a superset | Sep 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | being able to check now what Microsoft COULD all along check (comparing their secret code to others') isn't a bad thing | Sep 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | the liability decreases | Sep 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | unless you assume some reactos hackers will nick leaked Microsoft code and sneak it into reactos | Sep 25 18:04 |
| schestowitz | even then, NOW it would be easier to detect and prevent | Sep 25 18:05 |
| schestowitz | iirc, some reactOS devs are (or were) in this channel | Sep 25 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I see mjg59 is also ambushing us | Sep 25 18:05 |
| schestowitz | probably preparing to pounce at something to cause trouble (which is just what he always does) | Sep 25 18:06 |
| smnthermes | ReactOS is stuck on NT 5.x | Sep 25 18:08 |
| schestowitz | they mimic "burning platforms" | Sep 25 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | PACER is a disaster. | Sep 25 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I accidentally went over my free pages limit this month. | Sep 25 18:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: new: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/09/end-pacer-paywall | Sep 25 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The Time Has Come to End the PACER Paywall | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Sep 25 18:10 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | But beyond the ridiculous price per page, the courts sometimes remove documents. | Sep 25 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, I have RECAP so that anything I look at is free forever. | Sep 25 18:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: when can you demand the court papers on jones? | Sep 25 18:10 |
| schestowitz | we'd cover your fees | Sep 25 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And anyone browsing PACER will see a clickable RECAP logo on some documents that gives them for free from RECAP. | Sep 25 18:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they have the extension. | Sep 25 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So what it's really doing is mapping the PACER system out, copying the documents, and making sure that nobody ever has to pay for those documents again. | Sep 25 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I really like what they're doing. It'll make it harder and harder for federal courts to administer the paywall if lots of people who use PACER each dump out hundreds of documents as they go along. | Sep 25 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some court cases, you don't even need all the documents. | Sep 25 18:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You just need the complaint, some transcripts, and the ruling. | Sep 25 18:12 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Lenovo ThinkPad and ThinkStation PCs now available with Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142459#comment-26496 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c5dc96f8-3b12-4f6b-b3bf-109d6f143862] | Sep 25 18:13 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I noticed that a lot of the gaps are just documents that aren't very important anyway. | Sep 25 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'll be dumping some more PACER documents next month. More carefully this time. | Sep 25 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't tell you what you're using in real time. It's got a delay. | Sep 25 18:13 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KaOS 2020.09 Released: A Lean and Independent KDE Linux Distribution http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142476#comment-26497 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e8b4f659-242e-43a6-8d1c-08f4b37a3b0f] | Sep 25 18:13 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | But this quarter I've released about 700 PACER documents. | Sep 25 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody will ever need to pay for those again. | Sep 25 18:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The guy running RECAP estimates that it would cost about $1 billion dollars to access everything in PACER once. | Sep 25 18:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The courts spew out so many papers that it's just impossible to keep up with it. | Sep 25 18:15 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What To Do After Installing Linux Mint 20 LTS Ulyana http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142544 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9480df49-4183-48d1-96e8-1bbb3b88900d] | Sep 25 18:16 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142545 [https://pleroma.site/objects/7ea6c998-6a18-46b5-8b19-9f9fc1a0e9e9] | Sep 25 18:17 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: legal bills | Sep 25 18:19 |
| schestowitz | big industry... of papers | Sep 25 18:19 |
| schestowitz | imagine the cost of actually producing, not releasing these | Sep 25 18:19 |
| schestowitz | and the per-hour rates of law firms and courts | Sep 25 18:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't want to get rid of PACER because they're making lots and lots of money on it, which is illegal. | Sep 25 18:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/supreme-court-affirms-no-one-owns-law | Sep 25 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Supreme Court Affirms That No One Owns the Law | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Sep 25 18:25 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Georgia was arguing that anyone could read its laws, but the annotations, for example, the ones saying which ones had been struck down, were only available for a fee. | Sep 25 18:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, Roberts noted that a person reading Georgia's free version of the legal code would see sodomy laws and one saying gay marriage is illegal, etc. | Sep 25 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They aren't repealed, but the state also can't enforce them. | Sep 25 18:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Indiana frittered away a lot of money in court appealing Richard Young's ruling that the state's gay marriage ban was struck down. | Sep 25 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their appeal landed in the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Chicago, which affirmed Judge Young, and in the process also struck down Wisconsin's law even though nobody had sued them. | Sep 25 18:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Seventh Circuit's decisions are binding in the entire region it has jurisdiction over. | Sep 25 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois had already repealed its law by legislature. | Sep 25 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Indiana paid $3.4 million and taking out not only their own law, but Wisconsin's too. | Sep 25 18:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The obvious thing to do when you're losing the argument is to not fight it and to make your opponent do all the work of suing all of the states one by one. | Sep 25 18:35 |
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| *psydroid sees ReactOS as a Windows NT documentation project and a reference implementation that will one day be featured in the Computer History Museum but not as something that would ever actually be used | Sep 25 18:36 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was pretty obvious that with the way things were going in the other circuits, Indiana was only going to waste their own money and hasten the repeal of all remaining laws. | Sep 25 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My mom is just stunningly ignorant. | Sep 25 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She was like "If you move back to Indiana you won't be married anymore.". | Sep 25 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "That's actually not the case. I could have gotten married in Indiana if I wanted to.". | Sep 25 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She goes, "No, I don't think that's allowed here.". | Sep 25 18:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "It wasn't until the Seventh Circuit struck down that law in 2014 and then all remaining laws like that were finally struck down the next year." | Sep 25 18:38 |
| XRevan86 | Um, even if it weren't allowed to marry in Indiana, how would moving there manage to nullify an existing marriage certificate? | Sep 25 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because she doesn't know how the constitution, the courts, or anything else works. | Sep 25 18:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But she always votes. | Sep 25 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know either, and that still sounded crazy. | Sep 25 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the problem here. If Biden loses because people aren't happy about him, it'll be another example of being governed by voters who are dumber than we are. | Sep 25 18:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And we already let that happen in 2016. You know. People didn't like Hillary, stayed home. Now we're in the worst mess our country has ever been in. | Sep 25 18:40 |
| schestowitz | mjg59: I notice you keep pestering me in Twitter | Sep 25 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I check notification there every couple of datas | Sep 25 18:40 |
| schestowitz | check profile, I no longer do Twitter | Sep 25 18:41 |
| schestowitz | I only pasted in a link in reply to your libellous tweet about me | Sep 25 18:41 |
| schestowitz | so quit pretending I escape you or whatever | Sep 25 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <XRevan86 "I don't know either, and that st"> Under DOMA, which was struck down in US v. Windsor, the federal government didn't give effect to same sex marriages even if it was legal in the state you got married in, and other states didn't have to recognize out of state same sex marriages. | Sep 25 18:41 |
| schestowitz | makes you look petty | Sep 25 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Once that went, there wasn't much point in allowing the state laws banning it to stand. You could always just get on a bus and go one state over and Indiana has to recognize it when you get back. | Sep 25 18:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what they were afraid of in 1996 when they passed DOMA. | Sep 25 18:42 |
| schestowitz | ● NEWS ● #CommonDreams ☞ Averaging Two Per Day Since Being Sworn In, #Trump Has Racked Up 3,403 Conflicts of Interests Since Taking Office https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/24/averaging-two-day-being-sworn-trump-has-racked-3403-conflicts-interests-taking | Sep 25 18:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Averaging Two Per Day Since Being Sworn In, Trump Has Racked Up 3,403 Conflicts of Interests Since Taking Office | Common Dreams News | Sep 25 18:42 | |
| scientes | can you please not talk about stuff I don't give a shit about | Sep 25 18:45 |
| scientes | primarily the US circlejerk | Sep 25 18:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I partly agree | Sep 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | it's important | Sep 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | but it's flooding the channel at the expense of tech stuff | Sep 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | and some of it is like online diary of ryan's bankruptcy and daily errands | Sep 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | should I start typing in this channel about today's workout? | Sep 25 18:49 |
| schestowitz | and when I took a nap? | Sep 25 18:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | or how we went to check fish for the fishbowl today? | Sep 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | it would soon became a dreary, pointless channel | Sep 25 18:50 |
| scientes | schestowitz, I was getting in like 3km breast stoke recently | Sep 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | that's huge | Sep 25 18:50 |
| scientes | I went from the delta to the fork and back to the delta | Sep 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | 3km would take what? 5 hours? | Sep 25 18:50 |
| scientes | no, 3km is like 2 hours | Sep 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | (moderate pace) | Sep 25 18:50 |
| schestowitz | so you dive too | Sep 25 18:51 |
| scientes | no, a river | Sep 25 18:51 |
| scientes | delta of the river | Sep 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | ah, so you know your distance | Sep 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | makes it less boring | Sep 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | can you see the bottom? | Sep 25 18:51 |
| scientes | its too muddy | Sep 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | the pool reopened at the gym | Sep 25 18:51 |
| schestowitz | we use it 3 times a week again, steam room/sauna still shut due to corona | Sep 25 18:52 |
| scientes | they don't let me in the pool here because I have fungus from the pools in South America | Sep 25 18:52 |
| scientes | I've been trying to cure it but it takes lots of patience | Sep 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | common in old people | Sep 25 18:52 |
| scientes | and in pools | Sep 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | or both | Sep 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | old pools :-) | Sep 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | need chlorine | Sep 25 18:53 |
| MinceR | "The gene pool is stagnant and I'm the minister of chlorine!" | Sep 25 18:53 |
| schestowitz | chlorium-browser | Sep 25 18:54 |
| schestowitz | now with extra Google Chlore | Sep 25 18:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 25 18:54 |
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| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Alan Pope (Canonical/Snap): Stepping Down Gracefully http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142546 [https://pleroma.site/objects/28ccfd44-6d59-46cc-a3c6-6b8b092bd459] | Sep 25 18:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was a Republican election official in Arizona a while back who was registered to vote in a PO Box. He also gave that address to the elections office to establish that he could run for Congress from that district, and it was on his driver's license (a state crime). | Sep 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's some non-USPS mailbox services that have "street addresses" that are aliased to each box by the post office. | Sep 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So box 1234 at the FedEx store could be "1234 Green Terrace Road" and so if the DMV doesn't know that and you get mail there, sometimes people can trick them into putting that on a driver's license. | Sep 25 19:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 25 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It usually works because the DMV people probably aren't going to know it's a PO Box. | Sep 25 19:02 |
| scientes | those snap people are crazy | Sep 25 19:02 |
| scientes | when i had a patch | Sep 25 19:02 |
| scientes | and they wanted to tell me that I shouldn't use an internal sort | Sep 25 19:02 |
| scientes | dude, external sorts are basically just TAoCP, and have been obsolete since tape drives disappeared | Sep 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: A man from Indiana was convicted a few years for voter fraud. | Sep 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He moved to Illinois but never changed his driver's license over and continued to vote from his old address in Indiana. | Sep 25 19:03 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Musiko – cross-platform music player http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142547 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b6fee11b-3d08-46a7-901e-045cf4b922c9] | Sep 25 19:03 | |
| MinceR | scientes: lol | Sep 25 19:03 |
| scientes | and 2^64 exceeds the size of the universe | Sep 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois no longer participates in "cross check". | Sep 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So unless you surrender your Indiana license at the DMV, you might be able to vote in both states without one of them realizing it. | Sep 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois has no voter ID law, so as long as you register with a valid Social Security number and sign a form then they let you vote. | Sep 25 19:05 |
| XRevan86 | US Social Security is literally a US passport, right? | Sep 25 19:06 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142548 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ee8d2246-7951-40f6-9478-3ab00be43f01] | Sep 25 19:07 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, no | Sep 25 19:09 |
| scientes | its a little piece of flimsy paper that looks like this https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.6AN4F2VFuqU9YbjF5e7jGgHaEk%26pid%3DApi&f=1 | Sep 25 19:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: If it's a shitty passport it's still a passport %) | Sep 25 19:10 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: New in calibre 5.0 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142549 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b9c8899a-83c9-40e6-89c3-b526710e3ce1] | Sep 25 19:11 | |
| *scientes thinks of a "passport" as something that would help you pass inspection in a port of boats. | Sep 25 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | [19:06] <XRevan86> US Social Security is literally a US passport, right? | Sep 25 19:13 |
| schestowitz | iirc, most or about half of USians never had a passport | Sep 25 19:13 |
| scientes | ^^^^ | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | because they never left biblelanf | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | *land | Sep 25 19:14 |
| scientes | probably more | Sep 25 19:14 |
| MinceR | not jesusland any more? :> | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | depends when | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I heard this like 15 years ago | Sep 25 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | A passport is a person identification document. | Sep 25 19:14 |
| scientes | XRevan86, they all have drivers licenses | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Trump didn't hold up a jesus for the photo op | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Jesus would poo in his face | Sep 25 19:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | giving his teachings | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | the bible is a passive prop | Sep 25 19:14 |
| scientes | however most states will issue drivers licenses to anyone that prooves they live there | Sep 25 19:14 |
| schestowitz | or 15 year olds in southern states | Sep 25 19:15 |
| schestowitz | though many cars in the US have automatic gear shifting | Sep 25 19:15 |
| schestowitz | which makes them simpler to drive | Sep 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | many don't have gears :> | Sep 25 19:16 |
| schestowitz | more so with modern cars where you don't have need arm strength | Sep 25 19:16 |
| MinceR | (CVT, eCVT, electric) | Sep 25 19:16 |
| schestowitz | power steering | Sep 25 19:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's internal gearing | Sep 25 19:16 |
| schestowitz | platters | Sep 25 19:16 |
| schestowitz | in the uk mant is not most are manual | Sep 25 19:17 |
| schestowitz | yanks call it "stick shift" iirc | Sep 25 19:17 |
| schestowitz | brits like to hold a knob when they drive | Sep 25 19:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 25 19:17 |
| schestowitz | babies love nipples in their mouths | Sep 25 19:17 |
| MinceR | it's a bad idea to hold the lever while not shifting | Sep 25 19:17 |
| schestowitz | nostalgic interfaces | Sep 25 19:17 |
| scientes | > | Sep 25 19:17 |
| scientes | <MinceR> many don't have gears :> | Sep 25 19:17 |
| scientes | wut? | Sep 25 19:17 |
| MinceR | increases wear inside the transmission | Sep 25 19:17 |
| scientes | https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.PW5wE8JGjXEnT4rIYnVpGQHaFT%26pid%3DApi&f=1 | Sep 25 19:18 |
| schestowitz | boycott cars, embrace catapults ;-) | Sep 25 19:18 |
| scientes | this is the only car I know of that doesn't have gears | Sep 25 19:18 |
| MinceR | scientes: the ones i listed have an infinite number of possible "gear ratios" or equivalents | Sep 25 19:18 |
| schestowitz | hyperloop.. waste of money | Sep 25 19:19 |
| schestowitz | reinventing subways | Sep 25 19:19 |
| schestowitz | at a massive budget, taxpayers foot the bill iirc | Sep 25 19:19 |
| schestowitz | trump support, so he's a "good guy" | Sep 25 19:19 |
| schestowitz | "pedo guy" | Sep 25 19:19 |
| scientes | MinceR, you mean this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converter | Sep 25 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Torque converter - Wikipedia | Sep 25 19:21 | |
| MinceR | no | Sep 25 19:21 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Synergy_Drive | Sep 25 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Continuously variable transmission - Wikipedia | Sep 25 19:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hybrid Synergy Drive - Wikipedia | Sep 25 19:21 | |
| MinceR | among others | Sep 25 19:21 |
| scientes | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Toyota_Super_CVT-i_01.JPG/1280px-Toyota_Super_CVT-i_01.JPG | Sep 25 19:22 |
| scientes | I see a lot of gears | Sep 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | yes, but you don't select them | Sep 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | the ratio is not (or not entirely) determined by what gears are engaged | Sep 25 19:22 |
| MinceR | there was a series hybrid concept (and diesel-electric locomotives) where a generator (alternator?) and electric motor takes over the job of the transmission | Sep 25 19:23 |
| scientes | this is what MinceR will drive after he makes more arrogant claims: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.PW5wE8JGjXEnT4rIYnVpGQHaFT%26pid%3DApi&f=1 | Sep 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | Honda has an e-CVT system that is basically the same except it can also drive the wheels directly with a single gear ratio, at high speed | Sep 25 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Yaba daba doo | Sep 25 19:26 |
| MinceR | scooby-dooby-doo | Sep 25 19:26 |
| schestowitz | doo as I say | Sep 25 19:26 |
| schestowitz | doo a doohdooh | Sep 25 19:27 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ1D0A3Ns30 | Sep 25 19:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DooDooCaca - YouTube | Sep 25 19:27 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142550 [https://pleroma.site/objects/873a1501-7d6d-4154-86c0-00c88da4294f] | Sep 25 19:31 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142551 [https://pleroma.site/objects/1b9bdae5-483f-4ee0-8753-81662a75e2f8] | Sep 25 19:33 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Mozilla/Firefox/Tor Browser http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142552 [https://pleroma.site/objects/0231dc31-3433-47ee-aabe-6783d44bd99c] | Sep 25 19:36 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: OSS: OSI, Cyphon and Swedish e-Krona http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142553 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b658e82f-5368-48c5-9bb6-ff68a88a93b2] | Sep 25 19:39 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Devices: Precursor Motherboard, Android and Raspberry Pi http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142554 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2acea5f8-0088-40db-9b2c-36ebdf581452] | Sep 25 19:41 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142555 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2e9eb102-6921-4f19-8a18-abae04fdce87] | Sep 25 19:45 | |
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| Ariadne | humm | Sep 25 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/iakTl9SZTTY | Sep 25 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shoo Be Doo! Call Upon the Sea Ponies! - My Little Pony G1 - DVD Version - YouTube | Sep 25 19:54 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks for reminding me youtube is full of doohdooh | Sep 25 19:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 25 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | Shoob-shoob be dooh | Sep 25 19:56 |
| MinceR | Shub-Niggurath | Sep 25 19:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Illinois Attorney General's office called me this morning. | Sep 25 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said that they're going to contact Quest Diagnostics and inform them that if they don't try to stop collecting on one of my debts listed in bankruptcy, they'll open an investigation into their billing practices. | Sep 25 20:17 |
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| mjg59 | schestowitz: Yes, you keep failing to justify your assertion that I lied in any way | Sep 25 20:43 |
| psydroid | it looks like the website is unreachable again | Sep 25 20:54 |
| psydroid | oh, it was just a bit slow | Sep 25 20:54 |
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| MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/20011756 | Sep 25 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4289873) | Sep 25 21:15 | |
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