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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Kernel Latest Developments and New Linux Foundation Report http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142530 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5bb3ae17-ba92-482b-a958-81bbed4c3188]Sep 25 00:01
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: JDK 16: What’s coming in Java 16 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142531 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a11cd0dd-e33b-44af-a9e8-f2944d7424ed]Sep 25 00:17
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 25/9/2020: PostgreSQL 13, DragonFly 5.8.2 and Python 3.8.6 http://techrights.org/2020/09/24/python-3-8-6/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/f6e781b5-22ad-4997-b7c1-544ae5ed1d6c]Sep 25 00:41
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142534 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f85a39a0-890a-4436-9bf4-cc5683189fe0]Sep 25 05:50
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Fedora 33 Beta To Be Released Next Week http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142535 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9996efad-db2a-421b-ad85-70b4ea4a2489]Sep 25 06:12
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 7 Amazing Linux Distributions For Kids http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142536 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9a7b1094-d46b-4b4e-8823-bee89ac73f77]Sep 25 06:22
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schestowitzhttps://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco-visionaries/501613-stallman-data-protection-privacy/Sep 25 07:44
schestowitznewSep 25 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Richard Stallman: You can get arrested without a reason — RT SophieCo. VisionariesSep 25 07:44
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 10 Open Source Static Site Generators to Create Fast and Resource-Friendly Websites http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142539 [https://pleroma.site/objects/21b2cf03-b50c-4c27-a71e-2dcacef5a4ca]Sep 25 10:11
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Paradox, Stoneshard, Civilization VI http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142541 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8c6b4646-85cd-40d3-be14-359be1688308]Sep 25 10:32
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142542 [https://pleroma.site/objects/9754bdd0-0538-46d0-bd7e-aa47e6cbe966]Sep 25 11:10
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/2001185Sep 25 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4290797)Sep 25 12:23
DaemonFC[m]https://www.tomshardware.com/amp/news/windows-xp-source-code-reportedly-posted-to-4chanSep 25 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Windows XP Source Code Reportedly Leaked, Posted to 4chan | Tom's HardwareSep 25 13:10
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: really that is more a head ache for reactos and wine than anything useful.lSep 25 13:13
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MinceRthat describes all versions of windowsSep 25 13:16
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oiaohmMinceR: in this case that the source code is leaked if Microsoft developer starts claiming nicked code you then have to go though the annoying audit process to prove it not.Sep 25 13:26
oiaohmSo even more less useful than Windows is normally.Sep 25 13:27
oiaohmonly parties who can really use the leaked source is those writing exploits.Sep 25 13:27
MinceRand those who will start distributing modified underground versions :>Sep 25 13:33
MinceRprovided they can get the damn thing to build, that isSep 25 13:33
zoobabWinXP source code leakedSep 25 13:37
zoobabhttps://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-xp-source-code-leaked-online-on-4chan-out-of-all-places/Sep 25 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows XP source code leaked online, on 4chan, out of all places | ZDNetSep 25 13:37
zoobabms_patents.7z is 25GBSep 25 13:37
MinceR:>Sep 25 13:42
scienteswho caresSep 25 13:55
DaemonFC[m]The part that made me laugh was "Maybe people can write device drivers and create new distributions." of Windows XP.Sep 25 13:58
DaemonFC[m]Well, I don't think that the compiler that Microsoft uses has ever been released.Sep 25 13:59
DaemonFC[m]So it would break the ABI and then any drivers for Windows XP and at least some software wouldn't work anymore.Sep 25 13:59
DaemonFC[m]It's not just source code, right. You have to keep using the same compiler.Sep 25 13:59
DaemonFC[m]Then there's the problem that it wouldn't be legal to distribute a modified version of Windows XP.Sep 25 14:00
XRevan86or, in other words, highly illegalSep 25 14:00
DaemonFC[m]Well, Microsoft hasn't supported XP in over 6.5 years, but people are still using it, and the activation servers still work.Sep 25 14:01
DaemonFC[m]They're keeping the activation servers on because they don't want to be sued.Sep 25 14:02
psydroidor, in other words, do they do this on purpose or are they simply stupid? or both?Sep 25 14:02
DaemonFC[m]They'll just wait until everything stops pinging the activation server in another 10 or 20 years because it's all broken down and then they'll shut it down.Sep 25 14:02
DaemonFC[m]Hell, the internet checkers server was still up until June of this year and that came with Windows Me.Sep 25 14:03
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Couldn't they just release an update that axes activation off? Isn't that anti-feature just a little bit useless?Sep 25 14:03
DaemonFC[m]It's not difficult for a company of their size to just keep the activation server software for XP running in a virtual machine.Sep 25 14:03
psydroidthey should be as protective as possible with the source code, so we can ignore it and go on with our lives without caring about being sued for one reason or anotherSep 25 14:04
DaemonFC[m]At one point in the early 2000s they said when XP reached end of life, they'd release a tool for removing Product Activation.Sep 25 14:04
DaemonFC[m]They never did.Sep 25 14:04
DaemonFC[m]In fact, that's what they told all of us to say on MSN chat if anyone asked "Well what happens in 10 years or so if Microsoft doesn't support it and my computer still works?".Sep 25 14:05
DaemonFC[m]Turns out Windows XP was unusually long lived and ended up getting a third service pack that wasn't even planned.Sep 25 14:06
DaemonFC[m]It was one of those "Just enough to keep it going for a few more years." deals. You could tell that by a year or two into Vista's life cycle, Microsoft was aggravated that nobody was buying it.Sep 25 14:07
DaemonFC[m]Then they had to start promoting Windows XP again because Intel releases this low power Atom processor that could never run Vista or 7.Sep 25 14:07
DaemonFC[m]So they were a victim of their own success with XP and their own disaster with Vista. By the time Window 7 started getting off the ground, Windows XP was pushing 10 and there was still stuff you could buy with it.Sep 25 14:08
DaemonFC[m]OEMs wanted to push cheap computers, and cheap computers couldn't run Vista. They lied and said they could sometimes, but they really couldn't.Sep 25 14:09
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft came up with a "Vista Capable and Vista Premium Ready" certification, and the Vista Capable certification only required that it ran at all, and with AERO turned off so it looked like shit. Still ran like shit too.Sep 25 14:10
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft actually blamed Intel for this.Sep 25 14:12
DaemonFC[m]Like, "Oh they made us do Capable because they wanted to keep selling old hardware stockpiles and say you could run Vista on it. We fought and we fought but in the end we were just totally powerless to not do a Vista Capable certification of our own OS.".Sep 25 14:13
DaemonFC[m]It wasn't a lie. You could run Vista on it, but you couldn't really use it for anything because it was just so slow and choppy, even with AERO turned off.Sep 25 14:14
DaemonFC[m]If you did shell out for a nice PC, Vista actually pretty much ran okay.Sep 25 14:14
XRevan86until it bugs outSep 25 14:14
DaemonFC[m]Well, yeah.Sep 25 14:25
DaemonFC[m]They got rid of AERO on Windows 10 so it would look like crap everywhere, but it would run on lower end systems.Sep 25 14:25
XRevan86DaemonFC[m]: Um, no, it just looks differently.Sep 25 14:26
XRevan86Compositing and effects are very much there.Sep 25 14:26
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there was a dll injection thing that turned it back into AERO Glass on Windows 8.Sep 25 14:28
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Ariadnewho the fuck honestly cares about windows xp source codeSep 25 14:45
Ariadne"but malware"Sep 25 14:47
Ariadnethe OS has been EOL for years, if youre still running XP its a kick me signSep 25 14:47
Ariadneits like running any other OS that is EOLSep 25 14:47
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MinceRs/XP/windows/Sep 25 14:50
MinceRFTFYSep 25 14:50
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Ariadnesure, but XP especially soSep 25 14:51
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oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: the complier is most likely the one in the DDK that Microsoft released for windows xp.Sep 25 14:58
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVZaZ8yO6oSep 25 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Portal 2: End Credits Song 'Want You Gone' by Jonathan Coulton [1080p HD] - YouTubeSep 25 15:32
DaemonFC[m]Portal 2 didn't make much sense.Sep 25 15:33
DaemonFC[m]Why would GLaDOS ever want Chell dead?Sep 25 15:33
DaemonFC[m]From what we know, Chell is the last survivor of the testing process and something cataclysmic has happened in the outside world, possibly making Chell the last human alive.Sep 25 15:34
MinceRmaybe that's whySep 25 15:34
DaemonFC[m]It's also established that GLaDOS's "body" affects her mind in a negative way, inducing a sort of psychotic need to test. It rewards test completions with some sort of orgasm.Sep 25 15:34
DaemonFC[m]GLaDOS mentions after Wheatley stuffs her in a potato battery that  her mind was powerful enough to overcome a lot of that and not become drunk with power. Sep 25 15:35
MinceRhttps://files.catbox.moe/ft3fts.jpgSep 25 15:35
DaemonFC[m]But Wheatley was designed to be an idiot to be attached to GLaDOS to feed her bad ideas and slow down her ability to think.Sep 25 15:36
DaemonFC[m]So as soon as the player plugs him into the chair, he goes crazy and neglects to maintain the fusion reactor powering the facility, which almost results in a nuclear explosion.Sep 25 15:36
DaemonFC[m]He "fixes" it by shutting down the warning that the place is about to explode and ordering Chell to continue testing.Sep 25 15:38
DaemonFC[m]He stole tests from GLaDOS and started smashing them together after he realized that he was too stupid to make his own.Sep 25 15:39
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MinceR(cat) https://full.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/04/78092ee2f0d7f60f.jpgSep 25 16:02
scientesthat picture is rediculousSep 25 16:04
scientesso you see the difference in the pictures at the top? https://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~oliveira/pubs_files/CVD_Simulation/CVD_Simulation.htmlSep 25 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.inf.ufrgs.br | A Physiologically-based Model for Simulation of Color Vision DeficiencySep 25 16:05
scientesor is it just meSep 25 16:05
MinceRi can see themSep 25 16:06
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schestowitz[14:47] <Ariadne> the OS has been EOL for years, if youre still running XP its a kick me signSep 25 16:13
schestowitzTrump's GP still ran XP in 2016Sep 25 16:14
Ariadnerunning any OS that is no longer receiving security updates is a bad ideaSep 25 16:14
AriadneESPECIALLY if you're a doctorSep 25 16:14
schestowitzhoneypot docSep 25 16:14
Ariadnethat HAS to be a HIPAA violationSep 25 16:14
schestowitzwho will enforce the law?Sep 25 16:15
schestowitzI mean, Trump's GPSep 25 16:15
schestowitzposting official white house comms and threats to bomb nations... from a lousy Chinese phone while taking a dumb on his toilet searSep 25 16:16
schestowitz*seatSep 25 16:16
schestowitz*sumpSep 25 16:16
schestowitz*dumpSep 25 16:16
Ariadnewho knowsSep 25 16:16
Ariadnebut that's basically likeSep 25 16:17
Ariadnerunning say, Debian 3.0Sep 25 16:17
Ariadnein 2020Sep 25 16:17
schestowitzit's s self-wiring satireSep 25 16:17
schestowitz*writingSep 25 16:17
schestowitztoo many typos todaySep 25 16:17
schestowitzI should stopSep 25 16:17
schestowitzeven some typos in pleroma earlierSep 25 16:17
XRevan86https://smbc-comics.com/comic/shiftSep 25 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - ShiftSep 25 16:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: King of the Board, SkateBIRD, SteamTinkerLaunch and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/142543 [https://pleroma.site/objects/f6bf2ead-7365-46b3-8cd8-d69a1b24e43f]Sep 25 16:34
psydroidhttps://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-factSep 25 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.justice.gov | U.S. V. Microsoft: Court's Findings Of FactSep 25 16:38
psydroidit's survival of the fittest, obsolete docs go extinctSep 25 16:39
schestowitzOne day it'll be a broken linkSep 25 16:40
schestowitzover the past 20 years not much was done to break dow giantsSep 25 16:40
schestowitzor to prevent further consolidation of powerSep 25 16:40
schestowitzSplitting of Microsoft scuttled when Gates sucked up to BushSep 25 16:40
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2020/06/13/bill-gates-not-a-liberal/Sep 25 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Quit Calling Bill Gates a Liberal | TechrightsSep 25 16:41
schestowitz20 #covid19 deaths so far in Italy (today). The first shock taught them well, but they too lose control (again). Germany also...Sep 25 16:43
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schestowitzviera restarted, Ariadne?Sep 25 16:59
Ariadnehad to reboot serverSep 25 16:59
schestowitzah, okSep 25 17:00
schestowitzsince the upgrade of hv in Easter we never needed to reboot tuxmachines or techrights even onceSep 25 17:00
schestowitzit used to be crashing a lot before the patches (qemu I assume)Sep 25 17:01
AriadneAttributeError: module 'time' has no attribute 'clock'Sep 25 17:02
Ariadneim reallySep 25 17:02
Ariadnegetting tired of pythonSep 25 17:02
schestowitzdid it bump it up to python3?Sep 25 17:03
schestowitzthere was a stable new release of python3 yesterdaySep 25 17:03
schestowitz[00:47] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #techrights Links 25/9/2020: #PostgreSQL 13, #DragonFly #BSD 5.8.2 and #Python 3.8.6 http://techrights.org/2020/09/24/python-3-8-6/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/a20945f8-c625-4778-9c16-aca353941d14]Sep 25 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 25/9/2020: PostgreSQL 13, DragonFly 5.8.2 and Python 3.8.6 | TechrightsSep 25 17:03
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schestowitz[19:25] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): #Python 3.8.6 https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-386/ "The Python 3.8 series is the newest major release of the Python programming language, and it contains many new features and optimizations." [https://pleroma.site/objects/3e91361b-c3ee-4d45-a446-b578514c087c]Sep 25 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Python Release Python 3.8.6 | Python.orgSep 25 17:04
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Ariadneyes, that is precisely what happened.Sep 25 17:04
XRevan86Ariadne: Why would you need that function?Sep 25 17:04
Ariadnei wouldn'tSep 25 17:04
Ariadnepycrypto would.Sep 25 17:04
XRevan86It's a Python2 functionSep 25 17:05
Ariadneyes, i knowSep 25 17:05
schestowitzentrypy from clock?/Sep 25 17:05
schestowitzentropySep 25 17:05
XRevan86schestowitz: Probably just to implement monotonic clock.Sep 25 17:05
AriadneokSep 25 17:05
XRevan86It's just a C's clock function.Sep 25 17:05
Ariadneits coming backSep 25 17:05
schestowitzcheers ;-) lovelySep 25 17:06
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XRevan86processor clock is monotonicSep 25 17:06
*schestowitz recalls the identi.ca bots we hadSep 25 17:06
XRevan86can't think of any other useful properties under PyrthonSep 25 17:06
XRevan86https://github.com/pycrypto/pycrypto/blob/master/lib/Crypto/Random/_UserFriendlyRNG.py#L76Sep 25 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pycrypto/_UserFriendlyRNG.py at master · pycrypto/pycrypto · GitHubSep 25 17:07
Ariadnefor whatever reason, viera decided it was a good time to rotate its actor keySep 25 17:07
Ariadnewhich did not work because of this pycrypto issueSep 25 17:07
XRevan86Ariadne: It's not Python's fault though.Sep 25 17:08
Ariadnesure it is.  they removed it in a point release.Sep 25 17:08
XRevan86Ariadne: which?Sep 25 17:08
Ariadne3.8Sep 25 17:09
Ariadnethey should make python 4.0Sep 25 17:09
Ariadneif they are going to remove a bunch of shitSep 25 17:09
Ariadne:)Sep 25 17:09
XRevan86$ python3 --versionSep 25 17:10
XRevan86Python 3.7.3Sep 25 17:10
XRevan86$ python3 -c 'import time; print(time.clock())'Sep 25 17:10
XRevan86DeprecationWarning: time.clock has been deprecated in Python 3.3 and will be removed from Python 3.8: use time.perf_counter or time.process_time insteadSep 25 17:10
XRevan86I see…Sep 25 17:10
schestowitzI had similar issues with phpSep 25 17:14
schestowitzframeworks not being backward-compatible means faster Internet rotSep 25 17:15
XRevan86PHP itself is very reluctant of removing crap.Sep 25 17:15
XRevan86PHP 7.0 and PHP 8.0 remove some, of course.Sep 25 17:16
schestowitzchains of deprecation = data loss]Sep 25 17:18
schestowitzwordpress x needs php y needs mysql  zSep 25 17:18
XRevan86WordPress has crazy low requirements, I don't know how they do that.Sep 25 17:19
schestowitzso old and possible essential code needs a whole stack of old stuffSep 25 17:19
schestowitzor must be rewritten again and againSep 25 17:19
schestowitzwordpress is good at backward compatSep 25 17:20
schestowitzdrupal is a jokeSep 25 17:20
schestowitzeach major release almost demands you start all over againSep 25 17:20
XRevan86As someone who updates with Debian on time, I cannot relate.Sep 25 17:21
schestowitzDrupal?Sep 25 17:22
schestowitzI recently set up wordpress for scratch on a ubuntu machineSep 25 17:23
schestowitznot mineSep 25 17:23
schestowitzand the wordpress step was  wget, untar etc.Sep 25 17:23
XRevan86schestowitz: No, I don't use Drupal, but its requirements fit what I'm using.Sep 25 17:23
schestowitzthe CMSs aren't too well managed by the package managers, or people tend not to trust that routeSep 25 17:23
schestowitzapt-get wordpress does get somethingSep 25 17:23
schestowitzbut it's not what you then useSep 25 17:24
schestowitzcd /tmp && wget https://wordpress.org/latest.tar.gzSep 25 17:24
schestowitztar -xvf latest.tar.gzSep 25 17:24
schestowitzcp -R wordpress /var/www/html/Sep 25 17:24
schestowitzchown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/html/wordpress/Sep 25 17:24
schestowitzchmod -R 755 /var/www/html/wordpress/Sep 25 17:24
schestowitz mkdir /var/www/html/wordpress/wp-content/uploadsSep 25 17:24
schestowitzapt-get install wordpressSep 25 17:25
XRevan86schestowitz: WordPress from the repos is fine.Sep 25 17:25
schestowitzvim /var/www/html/info.phpSep 25 17:25
schestowitzthe apt-get route was skipped mostlySep 25 17:25
schestowitzbut it gets the underlying lamp depsSep 25 17:25
XRevan86Unless you really need the newest WordPress.Sep 25 17:25
XRevan86I just have someplace that is almost orphaned, so it's nice that at least apt takes care of security issues there.Sep 25 17:26
*schestowitz tries to recall how we came to this tropicSep 25 17:29
schestowitz*topicSep 25 17:29
schestowitzsomething about php and python versionsSep 25 17:29
schestowitzI am starting to loathe those frameworks with a passion, for any site that needs decades-long preservationSep 25 17:29
schestowitzgroklaw uses geeklogSep 25 17:29
schestowitzwell, USEDSep 25 17:29
XRevan86schestowitz: Python 3.8 removed time.clock()Sep 25 17:29
schestowitznow it's a broken siteSep 25 17:29
schestowitzjust static pages of the originalsSep 25 17:30
schestowitzwith lots of broken links, still hosted by ibiblioSep 25 17:30
schestowitzwhen was the last geeklog release?Sep 25 17:30
schestowitzprobably some ancient version of php requiredSep 25 17:30
schestowitz[17:29] <XRevan86> schestowitz: Python 3.8 removed time.clock()Sep 25 17:30
schestowitzI highly doubt due to security concernsSep 25 17:31
schestowitzif you consider what and how it's implementedSep 25 17:31
schestowitzmaybe some "new" "shiny" APISep 25 17:31
schestowitzlike the ones MinceR lovesSep 25 17:31
schestowitzso hey, let's warn people and then take it awaySep 25 17:31
schestowitz"use this new thing! We DELETE the old way"Sep 25 17:31
schestowitzlike Linux does floppy disks, modems, etc."Sep 25 17:31
schestowitzfor 'security'Sep 25 17:31
schestowitzas if it's a big threat when it's not loaded and you don't have those drives and modemsSep 25 17:32
XRevan86schestowitz: I'll try to look up the rationale.Sep 25 17:32
schestowitz"think of the ISO's belly!"Sep 25 17:32
schestowitzthe shelf of computers is awefulSep 25 17:32
schestowitzawfulSep 25 17:32
schestowitznot they do the same to programs and sites that are programs (not static)Sep 25 17:33
schestowitzso libraries are accessible and readable for like 10-50 times longer than a Web siteSep 25 17:33
schestowitz[16:38] <psydroid> https://www.justice.gov/atr/us-v-microsoft-courts-findings-factSep 25 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.justice.gov | U.S. V. Microsoft: Court's Findings Of FactSep 25 17:33
schestowitz[16:40] <schestowitz> One day it'll be a broken linkSep 25 17:33
XRevan86But 3.3 was a long time ago, not that many Python3 ports existed back then.Sep 25 17:33
schestowitzthe cost of repairing old pages at some stage vastly exceeds the worth of diminishing number of people who access those pagesSep 25 17:34
XRevan86> Deprecated since version 3.3: The behaviour of this function depends on the platform: use perf_counter() or process_time() instead, depending on your requirements, to have a well defined behaviour.Sep 25 17:34
schestowitzmaybe do a rakuSep 25 17:34
XRevan86Apparently it's because it can do unpredictable things depending on where the user is running it.Sep 25 17:34
schestowitzdon't mess up what already worksSep 25 17:34
XRevan86pycrypto died 6 years ago, which is probably what caused this ordeal in the first place.Sep 25 17:36
XRevan86Except Python 3.3 released in 2012 and so it had to have warnings popping up for two years before finally dying.Sep 25 17:36
schestowitznot sure it makes that okSep 25 17:41
schestowitzthey could alias the functionSep 25 17:41
schestowitzassuming that input/output it similarSep 25 17:41
schestowitzif not, you could make a transient fuctionSep 25 17:41
schestowitzand someone make that backward compatibleSep 25 17:41
schestowitznot a huge pain to maintainSep 25 17:41
schestowitzthe behaviour can be made to look the sameSep 25 17:42
schestowitzand encourage people not to use the old function, which is still in principle supported with an aliasSep 25 17:42
schestowitzbut they don't carSep 25 17:42
schestowitz*careSep 25 17:42
schestowitzmind you, I don't do python muchSep 25 17:42
XRevan86schestowitz: The behaviour is exactly the problem.Sep 25 17:42
schestowitzjust hacking on code, rarelySep 25 17:42
schestowitzbut I have spoken to some who doSep 25 17:42
schestowitzfigosdev for instanceSep 25 17:42
schestowitzand he hates what they do with newer versionsSep 25 17:43
schestowitzhe sticks with pypy where he canSep 25 17:43
XRevan86I do think it's important that they indeed warned about this, for 8 years now.Sep 25 17:43
schestowitzsome programs still used itSep 25 17:43
schestowitzremoving it means an update would break programsSep 25 17:43
XRevan86and it's an easy patch anywaySep 25 17:43
schestowitzif you are a coderSep 25 17:43
schestowitzI had the same issues in phpSep 25 17:44
schestowitzI need to hack the cms code to make it stop complaining, warning, or completely failingSep 25 17:44
schestowitzeven for stuff I no longer write or updateSep 25 17:44
schestowitzphpwiki was one exampleSep 25 17:44
schestowitzhad to migrate manually to DokuWiki https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwikiSep 25 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dokuwiki.org | dokuwiki [DokuWiki]Sep 25 17:45
schestowitzfor two wikis I did not botherSep 25 17:45
schestowitzso left with just some old DBs that aren't accessible from the web interface anymoreSep 25 17:45
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Gallery1/Sep 25 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Sep 25 17:46
schestowitzwatch what happened when I moved to galllery2Sep 25 17:46
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/GallerySep 25 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | GallerySep 25 17:46
schestowitzand that's after trying to hack older versions to still work with newer PHP versionsSep 25 17:46
schestowitznow no thumbnailsSep 25 17:46
schestowitzgallery 3 seems stale nowSep 25 17:46
XRevan86older versions – PHP 4?Sep 25 17:47
schestowitzit's used in http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Sep 25 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Roy and Rianne's Wedding and BeyondSep 25 17:47
schestowitzXRevan86: can't rememberSep 25 17:47
schestowitzbut think 2003Sep 25 17:47
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ChaekyungYou guys are aware that the source for some old microsoft game thing called "Windows XP" was released today?Sep 25 17:54
XRevan86Chaekyung: yesSep 25 17:55
schestowitzgarbage in, garbage outSep 25 17:55
schestowitzmaybe the 'new' FSF wants thatSep 25 17:55
schestowitzto "upcycle"Sep 25 17:55
schestowitzthey send a blank drive to MicrosoftSep 25 17:55
ChaekyungFSF called for Microsoft releasing XP source code like a month agoSep 25 17:56
XRevan86Chaekyung: Just as useless as the previously released parts of Windows 2000.Sep 25 17:56
XRevan86Chaekyung: It's a "leak", not the same thing as releasing the source code under a free licence.Sep 25 17:57
schestowitz[17:56] <Chaekyung> FSF called for Microsoft releasing XP source code like a month agoSep 25 17:57
schestowitzA month?Sep 25 17:57
schestowitzalso, it was vista7 maybe?Sep 25 17:57
schestowitz"bad vista"Sep 25 17:57
ChaekyungActually it was Windows 7 and it was January https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/tell-microsoft-to-upcycle-windows-7-set-it-freeSep 25 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Tell Microsoft to upcycle Windows 7. Set it free! — Free Software Foundation — working together for free softwareSep 25 17:57
*Chaekyung confuses sometimesSep 25 17:57
schestowitzthis leak is uselessSep 25 17:57
schestowitzbecause Microsoft is a law firmSep 25 17:57
schestowitzdisguised as software companySep 25 17:57
schestowitzthe leak does not change the licenceSep 25 17:57
schestowitzand if you like dmca ping-pongs, have fun...Sep 25 17:58
schestowitzWindows is shitSep 25 17:58
schestowitzbecause of the licenceSep 25 17:58
schestowitznot only thatSep 25 17:58
schestowitzbut wine is more important to us allSep 25 17:58
schestowitzit'll be interested if instead of pushing wsl like a drug lord/pushers, Microsoft will decide to helpSep 25 17:59
XRevan86This puts even more pressure on Wine.Sep 25 17:59
schestowitzwineSep 25 17:59
ChaekyungI think it's fun that the Windows XP source is out. I agree it doesn't change much but I'm one of those who really don't care. I switched to some RedHat 2.0 or something before XP was releasedSep 25 17:59
schestowitzthat would help gnu/linux, so won't happen any time soonSep 25 17:59
Chaekyungso I never used it and I never really cared what went on in the wintendo worldSep 25 17:59
schestowitzwine is important for 'legacy' software at leastSep 25 17:59
schestowitz[17:59] <XRevan86> This puts even more pressure on Wine.Sep 25 17:59
schestowitzbut the code of wine is openly accessibleSep 25 17:59
schestowitzplagiarism from microsoft's proprietary crap would not be possible to hide nowSep 25 18:00
XRevan86schestowitz: Pressure as in "prove you didn't steal the code from a leak"Sep 25 18:00
schestowitzin fact, prior to it Microsoft could asset "VIOLATION"Sep 25 18:00
schestowitznow we have WINE code and Microsoft code to compareSep 25 18:00
schestowitzso we can strike backSep 25 18:00
schestowitzunlike SCO caseSep 25 18:00
ChaekyungGood point about the code being comparableSep 25 18:01
Chaekyungsince I know wine developers never looked at the source, it's nice to know that they can no say GFY to MS if they try to claim they have any rights over Wine code because it's plain visible that it's not the same codeSep 25 18:02
schestowitzI saw someone earlier saying the same:Sep 25 18:03
schestowitz[13:13] <oiaohm> DaemonFC[m]: really that is more a head ache for reactos and wine than anything useful.lSep 25 18:03
schestowitzreactOS uses wineSep 25 18:04
schestowitzso a supersetSep 25 18:04
schestowitzbeing able to check now what Microsoft COULD all along check (comparing their secret code to others') isn't a bad thingSep 25 18:04
schestowitzthe liability decreasesSep 25 18:04
schestowitzunless you assume some reactos hackers will nick leaked Microsoft code and sneak it into reactosSep 25 18:04
schestowitzeven then, NOW it would be easier to detect and preventSep 25 18:05
schestowitziirc, some reactOS devs are (or were) in this channelSep 25 18:05
schestowitzI see mjg59 is also ambushing usSep 25 18:05
schestowitzprobably preparing to pounce at something to cause trouble (which is just what he always does)Sep 25 18:06
smnthermesReactOS is stuck on NT 5.xSep 25 18:08
schestowitzthey mimic "burning platforms"Sep 25 18:09
DaemonFC[m]PACER is a disaster.Sep 25 18:09
DaemonFC[m]I accidentally went over my free pages limit this month.Sep 25 18:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: new: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/09/end-pacer-paywallSep 25 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | The Time Has Come to End the PACER Paywall | Electronic Frontier FoundationSep 25 18:10
DaemonFC[m]But beyond the ridiculous price per page, the courts sometimes remove documents.Sep 25 18:10
DaemonFC[m]Yes, I have RECAP so that anything I look at is free forever.Sep 25 18:10
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: when can you demand the court papers on jones?Sep 25 18:10
schestowitzwe'd cover your feesSep 25 18:10
DaemonFC[m]And anyone browsing PACER will see a clickable RECAP logo on some documents that gives them for free from RECAP.Sep 25 18:10
DaemonFC[m]If they have the extension.Sep 25 18:11
DaemonFC[m]So what it's really doing is mapping the PACER system out, copying the documents, and making sure that nobody ever has to pay for those documents again.Sep 25 18:11
DaemonFC[m]I really like what they're doing. It'll make it harder and harder for federal courts to administer the paywall if lots of people who use PACER each dump out hundreds of documents as they go along.Sep 25 18:12
DaemonFC[m]Some court cases, you don't even need all the documents.Sep 25 18:12
DaemonFC[m]You just need the complaint, some transcripts, and the ruling.Sep 25 18:12
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DaemonFC[m]So I noticed that a lot of the gaps are just documents that aren't very important anyway.Sep 25 18:13
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I'll be dumping some more PACER documents next month. More carefully this time.Sep 25 18:13
DaemonFC[m]They don't tell you what you're using in real time. It's got a delay.Sep 25 18:13
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DaemonFC[m]But this quarter I've released about 700 PACER documents.Sep 25 18:14
DaemonFC[m]Nobody will ever need to pay for those again.Sep 25 18:14
DaemonFC[m]The guy running  RECAP estimates that it would cost about $1 billion dollars to access everything in PACER once.Sep 25 18:15
DaemonFC[m]The courts spew out so many papers that it's just impossible to keep up with it.Sep 25 18:15
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: legal billsSep 25 18:19
schestowitzbig industry... of papersSep 25 18:19
schestowitzimagine the cost of actually producing, not releasing theseSep 25 18:19
schestowitzand the per-hour rates of law firms and courtsSep 25 18:19
DaemonFC[m]They don't want to get rid of PACER because they're making lots and lots of money on it, which is illegal.Sep 25 18:20
DaemonFC[m]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/04/supreme-court-affirms-no-one-owns-lawSep 25 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eff.org | Supreme Court Affirms That No One Owns the Law | Electronic Frontier FoundationSep 25 18:25
DaemonFC[m]Georgia was arguing that anyone could read its laws, but the annotations, for example, the ones saying which ones had been struck down, were only available for a fee.Sep 25 18:26
DaemonFC[m]So, Roberts noted that a person reading Georgia's free version of the legal code would see sodomy laws and one saying gay marriage is illegal, etc.Sep 25 18:31
DaemonFC[m]They aren't repealed, but the state also can't enforce them.Sep 25 18:31
DaemonFC[m]Indiana frittered away a lot of money in court appealing Richard Young's ruling that the state's gay marriage ban was struck down.Sep 25 18:32
DaemonFC[m]Their appeal landed in the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Chicago, which affirmed Judge Young, and in the process also struck down Wisconsin's law even though nobody had sued them.Sep 25 18:32
DaemonFC[m]The Seventh Circuit's decisions are binding in the entire region it has jurisdiction over.Sep 25 18:33
DaemonFC[m]Illinois had already repealed its law by legislature. Sep 25 18:33
DaemonFC[m]So Indiana paid $3.4 million and taking out not only their own law, but Wisconsin's too.Sep 25 18:34
DaemonFC[m]The obvious thing to do when you're losing the argument is to not fight it and to make your opponent do all the work of suing all of the states one by one.Sep 25 18:35
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*psydroid sees ReactOS as a Windows NT documentation project and a reference implementation that will one day be featured in the Computer History Museum but not as something that would ever actually be usedSep 25 18:36
DaemonFC[m]It was pretty obvious that with the way things were going in the other circuits, Indiana was only going to waste their own money and hasten the repeal of all remaining laws.Sep 25 18:36
DaemonFC[m]My mom is just stunningly ignorant.Sep 25 18:36
DaemonFC[m]She was like "If you move back to Indiana you won't be married anymore.".Sep 25 18:36
DaemonFC[m]I said, "That's actually not the case. I could have gotten married in Indiana if I wanted to.".Sep 25 18:37
DaemonFC[m]She goes, "No, I don't think that's allowed here.".Sep 25 18:37
DaemonFC[m]I said, "It wasn't until the Seventh Circuit struck down that law in 2014 and then all remaining laws like that were finally struck down the next year."Sep 25 18:38
XRevan86Um, even if it weren't allowed to marry in Indiana, how would moving there manage to nullify an existing marriage certificate?Sep 25 18:38
DaemonFC[m]Because she doesn't know how the constitution, the courts, or anything else works.Sep 25 18:38
DaemonFC[m]But she always votes.Sep 25 18:39
XRevan86I don't know either, and that still sounded crazy.Sep 25 18:39
DaemonFC[m]That's the problem here. If Biden loses because people aren't happy about him, it'll be another example of being governed by voters who are dumber than we are.Sep 25 18:39
DaemonFC[m]And we already let that happen in 2016. You know. People didn't like Hillary, stayed home. Now we're in the worst mess our country has ever been in.Sep 25 18:40
schestowitzmjg59: I notice you keep pestering me in TwitterSep 25 18:40
schestowitzI check notification there every couple of datasSep 25 18:40
schestowitzcheck profile, I no longer do TwitterSep 25 18:41
schestowitzI only pasted in a link in reply to your libellous tweet about meSep 25 18:41
schestowitzso quit pretending I escape you or whateverSep 25 18:41
DaemonFC[m]<XRevan86 "I don't know either, and that st"> Under DOMA, which was struck down in US v. Windsor, the federal government didn't give effect to same sex marriages even if it was legal in the state you got married in, and other states didn't have to recognize out of state same sex marriages.Sep 25 18:41
schestowitzmakes you look pettySep 25 18:41
DaemonFC[m]Once that went, there wasn't much point in allowing the state laws banning it to stand. You could always just get on a bus and go one state over and Indiana has to recognize it when you get back.Sep 25 18:42
DaemonFC[m]That's what they were afraid of in 1996 when they passed DOMA.Sep 25 18:42
schestowitz● NEWS ● #CommonDreams  ☞ Averaging Two Per Day Since Being Sworn In, #Trump Has Racked Up 3,403 Conflicts of Interests Since Taking Office https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/09/24/averaging-two-day-being-sworn-trump-has-racked-3403-conflicts-interests-taking Sep 25 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Averaging Two Per Day Since Being Sworn In, Trump Has Racked Up 3,403 Conflicts of Interests Since Taking Office | Common Dreams NewsSep 25 18:42
scientescan you please not talk about stuff I don't give a shit aboutSep 25 18:45
scientesprimarily the US circlejerkSep 25 18:46
MinceRlolSep 25 18:48
schestowitzI partly agreeSep 25 18:49
schestowitzit's importantSep 25 18:49
schestowitzbut it's flooding the channel at the expense of tech stuffSep 25 18:49
schestowitzand some of it is like online diary of ryan's bankruptcy and daily errandsSep 25 18:49
schestowitzshould I start typing in this channel about today's workout?Sep 25 18:49
schestowitzand when I took a nap?Sep 25 18:50
MinceR:>Sep 25 18:50
schestowitzor how we went to check fish for the fishbowl today?Sep 25 18:50
schestowitzit would soon became a dreary, pointless channelSep 25 18:50
scientesschestowitz, I was getting in like 3km breast stoke recentlySep 25 18:50
schestowitzthat's hugeSep 25 18:50
scientesI went from the delta to the fork and back to the deltaSep 25 18:50
schestowitz3km would take what? 5 hours?Sep 25 18:50
scientesno, 3km is like 2 hoursSep 25 18:50
schestowitz(moderate pace)Sep 25 18:50
schestowitzso you dive tooSep 25 18:51
scientesno, a riverSep 25 18:51
scientesdelta of the riverSep 25 18:51
schestowitzah, so you know your distanceSep 25 18:51
schestowitzmakes it less boringSep 25 18:51
schestowitzcan you see the bottom?Sep 25 18:51
scientesits too muddySep 25 18:51
schestowitzthe pool reopened at the gym Sep 25 18:51
schestowitzwe use it 3 times a week again, steam room/sauna still shut due to coronaSep 25 18:52
scientesthey don't let me in the pool here because I have fungus from the pools in South AmericaSep 25 18:52
scientesI've been trying to cure it but it takes lots of patienceSep 25 18:52
schestowitzcommon in old peopleSep 25 18:52
scientesand in poolsSep 25 18:52
schestowitzor bothSep 25 18:52
schestowitzold pools :-)Sep 25 18:52
schestowitzneed chlorineSep 25 18:53
MinceR"The gene pool is stagnant and I'm the minister of chlorine!"Sep 25 18:53
schestowitzchlorium-browserSep 25 18:54
schestowitznow with extra Google ChloreSep 25 18:54
MinceRlolSep 25 18:54
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DaemonFC[m]There was a Republican election official in Arizona a while back who was registered to vote in a PO Box. He also gave that address to the elections office to establish that he could run for Congress from that district, and it was on his driver's license (a state crime).Sep 25 19:00
DaemonFC[m]There's some non-USPS mailbox services that have "street addresses" that are aliased to each box by the post office.Sep 25 19:00
DaemonFC[m]So box 1234 at the FedEx store could be "1234 Green Terrace Road" and so if the DMV doesn't know that and you get mail there, sometimes people can trick them into putting that on a driver's license.Sep 25 19:01
MinceR:>Sep 25 19:02
DaemonFC[m]It usually works because the DMV people probably aren't going to know it's a PO Box.Sep 25 19:02
scientesthose snap people are crazySep 25 19:02
scienteswhen i had a patchSep 25 19:02
scientesand they wanted to tell me that I shouldn't use an internal sortSep 25 19:02
scientesdude, external sorts are basically just TAoCP, and have been obsolete since tape drives disappearedSep 25 19:03
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: A man from Indiana was convicted a few years for voter fraud.Sep 25 19:03
DaemonFC[m]He moved to Illinois but never changed his driver's license over and continued to vote from his old address in Indiana.Sep 25 19:03
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MinceRscientes: lolSep 25 19:03
scientesand 2^64 exceeds the size of the universeSep 25 19:03
DaemonFC[m]Illinois no longer participates in "cross check".Sep 25 19:04
DaemonFC[m]So unless you surrender your Indiana license at the DMV, you might be able to vote in both states without one of them realizing it.Sep 25 19:04
DaemonFC[m]Illinois has no voter ID law, so as long as you register with a valid Social Security number and sign a form then they let you vote.Sep 25 19:05
XRevan86US Social Security is literally a US passport, right?Sep 25 19:06
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scientesXRevan86, noSep 25 19:09
scientesits a little piece of flimsy paper that looks like this https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.6AN4F2VFuqU9YbjF5e7jGgHaEk%26pid%3DApi&f=1Sep 25 19:09
XRevan86scientes: If it's a shitty passport it's still a passport %)Sep 25 19:10
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*scientes thinks of a "passport" as something that would help you pass inspection in a port of boats.Sep 25 19:11
schestowitz[19:06] <XRevan86> US Social Security is literally a US passport, right?Sep 25 19:13
schestowitziirc, most or about half of USians never had a passportSep 25 19:13
scientes^^^^Sep 25 19:14
schestowitzbecause they never left biblelanfSep 25 19:14
schestowitz*landSep 25 19:14
scientesprobably moreSep 25 19:14
MinceRnot jesusland any more? :>Sep 25 19:14
schestowitzdepends whenSep 25 19:14
schestowitzI heard this like 15 years agoSep 25 19:14
XRevan86A passport is a person identification document.Sep 25 19:14
scientesXRevan86, they all have drivers licensesSep 25 19:14
schestowitzMinceR: Trump didn't hold up a jesus for the photo opSep 25 19:14
schestowitzJesus would poo in his faceSep 25 19:14
MinceR:>Sep 25 19:14
schestowitzgiving his teachingsSep 25 19:14
schestowitzthe bible is a passive propSep 25 19:14
scienteshowever most states will issue drivers licenses to anyone that prooves they live thereSep 25 19:14
schestowitzor 15 year olds in southern statesSep 25 19:15
schestowitzthough many cars in the US have automatic gear shiftingSep 25 19:15
schestowitzwhich makes them simpler to driveSep 25 19:16
MinceRmany don't have gears :>Sep 25 19:16
schestowitzmore so with modern cars where you don't have need arm strengthSep 25 19:16
MinceR(CVT, eCVT, electric)Sep 25 19:16
schestowitzpower steeringSep 25 19:16
schestowitzMinceR: it's internal gearingSep 25 19:16
schestowitzplattersSep 25 19:16
schestowitzin the uk mant is not most are manualSep 25 19:17
schestowitzyanks call it "stick shift" iircSep 25 19:17
schestowitzbrits like to hold a knob when they driveSep 25 19:17
MinceRlolSep 25 19:17
schestowitzbabies love nipples in their mouthsSep 25 19:17
MinceRit's a bad idea to hold the lever while not shiftingSep 25 19:17
schestowitznostalgic interfacesSep 25 19:17
scientes> Sep 25 19:17
scientes<MinceR> many don't have gears :>Sep 25 19:17
scienteswut?Sep 25 19:17
MinceRincreases wear inside the transmissionSep 25 19:17
scienteshttps://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.PW5wE8JGjXEnT4rIYnVpGQHaFT%26pid%3DApi&f=1Sep 25 19:18
schestowitzboycott cars, embrace catapults ;-)Sep 25 19:18
scientesthis is the only car I know of that doesn't have gearsSep 25 19:18
MinceRscientes: the ones i listed have an infinite number of possible "gear ratios" or equivalentsSep 25 19:18
schestowitzhyperloop.. waste of moneySep 25 19:19
schestowitzreinventing subwaysSep 25 19:19
schestowitzat a massive budget, taxpayers foot the bill iircSep 25 19:19
schestowitztrump support, so he's a "good guy"Sep 25 19:19
schestowitz"pedo guy"Sep 25 19:19
scientesMinceR, you mean this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque_converterSep 25 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Torque converter - WikipediaSep 25 19:21
MinceRnoSep 25 19:21
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission   and   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Synergy_DriveSep 25 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Continuously variable transmission - WikipediaSep 25 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hybrid Synergy Drive - WikipediaSep 25 19:21
MinceRamong othersSep 25 19:21
scienteshttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Toyota_Super_CVT-i_01.JPG/1280px-Toyota_Super_CVT-i_01.JPGSep 25 19:22
scientesI see a lot of gearsSep 25 19:22
MinceRyes, but you don't select themSep 25 19:22
MinceRthe ratio is not (or not entirely) determined by what gears are engagedSep 25 19:22
MinceRthere was a series hybrid concept (and diesel-electric locomotives) where a generator (alternator?) and electric motor takes over the job of the transmissionSep 25 19:23
scientesthis is what MinceR will drive after he makes more arrogant claims: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.PW5wE8JGjXEnT4rIYnVpGQHaFT%26pid%3DApi&f=1Sep 25 19:23
MinceRHonda has an e-CVT system that is basically the same except it can also drive the wheels directly with a single gear ratio, at high speedSep 25 19:23
schestowitzYaba daba dooSep 25 19:26
MinceRscooby-dooby-dooSep 25 19:26
schestowitzdoo as I saySep 25 19:26
schestowitzdoo a doohdoohSep 25 19:27
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ1D0A3Ns30Sep 25 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-DooDooCaca - YouTubeSep 25 19:27
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schestowitzMinceR: thanks for reminding me youtube is full of doohdoohSep 25 19:55
MinceRlolSep 25 19:55
XRevan86Shoob-shoob be doohSep 25 19:56
MinceRShub-NiggurathSep 25 19:56
DaemonFC[m]The Illinois Attorney General's office called me this morning.Sep 25 20:16
DaemonFC[m]They said that they're going to contact Quest Diagnostics and inform them that if they don't try to stop collecting on one of my debts listed in bankruptcy, they'll open an investigation into their billing practices.Sep 25 20:17
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mjg59schestowitz: Yes, you keep failing to justify your assertion that I lied in any waySep 25 20:43
psydroidit looks like the website is unreachable againSep 25 20:54
psydroidoh, it was just a bit slowSep 25 20:54
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