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● Sep 25
[00:01]	TR News	Pipe and Splice blogs.oracle.com/linux/post/pipe-and-splice
[00:04]	TR News	Purism's new 11-inch Linux tablet runs a full desktop version of PureOS https://www.zdnet.com/article/purisms-new-11-inch-linux-tablet-runs-a-full-desktop-version-of-pureos/
[00:04]	TR Bot	new 11-inch Linux tablet runs a full desktop version of PureOS | ZDNET
[00:04]	ZedHedTed	DaemonFC: sure looks like it. theaters were making less money YoY in the late 2010's, then the govt fucked everything up for everyone, and theaters never recovered
[00:05]	TR News	Underfunded by the 'Linux' Foundation, which spends money openwashing Microsoft instead of supporting Linux https://www.zdnet.com/article/long-term-support-for-linux-kernel-to-be-cut-as-maintainence-remains-under-strain/
[00:05]	TR Bot	support for Linux kernel to be cut as maintainence remains under strain | ZDNET
[00:05]	ZedHedTed	2013 - you had deep greens on every Friday & Saturday all Summer. 2019 - you had mid-to-deep greens every other weekend all Summer.
[00:05]	ZedHedTed	2023 - deep greens for only 1 weekend in July.
[00:05]	TR News	Memory Match Linux Distro Logos https://itsfoss.com/quiz/memory-match-distro-logo/
[00:05]	TR Bot	 Memory Match Linux Distro Logos
[00:06]	schestowitz	$20 popcorns
[00:06]	TR News	Retro arcade device for Raspberry Pi https://linuxgizmos.com/retro-arcade-device-for-raspberry-pi/
[00:06]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/retro-arcade-device-for-raspberry-pi/ )
[00:07]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: I can make a bag of popcorn for like 15 cents at home.
[00:07]	TR News	TUXEDO Announces Nano Pro Gen12 Mini Linux PC Powered by AMD Ryzen 7000U https://9to5linux.com/tuxedo-announces-nano-pro-gen12-mini-linux-pc-powered-by-amd-ryzen-7000u
[00:07]	TR Bot	Announces Nano Pro Gen12 Mini Linux PC Powered by AMD Ryzen 7000U - 9to5Linux
[00:07]	DaemonFC	If you want a movie theater bucket amount, that's maybe 3-4 bags.
[00:07]	schestowitz	DaemonFC: that's piracy!
[00:07]	DaemonFC	POPCORN PIRATE!
[00:08]	DaemonFC	I joked that I'd like to have Starlink for one reason.
[00:08]	TR News	Never Update Your UEFI BIOS, Especially With LVFS on Linux. Also, systemd-boot is a Plot to Overthrow the PCs Owner. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2023/09/20/why-you-should-never-update-your-uefi-bios-especially-with-lvfs-on-linux-also-systemd-boot-is-a-plot-to-overthrow-the-pcs-owner/
[00:08]	TR Bot	 Never Update Your UEFI BIOS, Especially With LVFS on Linux. Also, systemd-boot is a Plot to Overthrow the PCs Owner. | BaronHK's Rants
[00:08]	DaemonFC	So I could add "Space Pirate" to my description.
[00:08]	DaemonFC	MinceR: ^
[00:08]	schestowitz	"YOUR POPCORN IS KILLING THE ECCONOMY!"
[00:09]	MinceR	lol
[00:09]	DaemonFC	The economy of teenagers making minimum wage popping popcorn for $20 and handing me $8 Pepsis?
[00:09]	TR News	The return of Simple Network Setup https://bkhome.org/news/202309/the-return-of-simple-network-manager.html
[00:09]	TR Bot	 The return of Simple Network Setup
[00:10]	MinceR	you could probably use satellite Internet service ran by someone less crazy to get the same achievement
[00:10]	TR News	Doubts about Linux rolling releases https://bkhome.org/news/202309/doubts-about-linux-rolling-releases.html
[00:10]	TR Bot	 Doubts about Linux rolling releases
[00:12]	TR News	"WASM is a straightforward standard designed for ease of implementation" that kills the Open Web and gives us bloat https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/www-which-wasm-works
[00:12]	TR Bot	 www which wasm works
[00:13]	TR News	unifont @ Savannah: Unifont 15.1.02 Released https://savannah.gnu.org/news/?id=10514
[00:13]	TR Bot	 Unifont - News [Savannah]
[00:13]	TR News	gettext @ Savannah: GNU gettext 0.22.1 released https://savannah.gnu.org/news/?id=10513
[00:13]	TR Bot	 GNU gettext - News [Savannah]
[00:14]	TR News	How to Create and Use Custom Python Module https://tecadmin.net/create-python-module/
[00:14]	TR Bot	 How to Create and Use Custom Python Module TecAdmin
[00:16]	TR News	Meet Canonical at India Mobile Congress 2023 https://ubuntu.com//blog/meet-canonical-at-india-mobile-congress-2023
[00:16]	TR Bot	Canonical at India Mobile Congress 2023
[00:17]	TR News	Ubuntu 23.10 Beta is Now Available to Download https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/09/ubuntu-23-10-beta
[00:17]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu 23.10 Beta is Now Available to Download - OMG! Ubuntu
[00:17]	TR News	Variable Expansion in ZSH https://tecadmin.net/variable-expansion-in-zsh/
[00:17]	TR Bot	 Variable Expansion in ZSH TecAdmin
[00:19]	TR News	What are Microservices? https://tecadmin.net/what-are-microservices/
[00:19]	TR Bot	 What are Microservices? TecAdmin
[00:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[00:21]	TR News	Alan Pope: You did something! https://popey.com/blog/2023/09/you-did-something/
[00:21]	TR Bot	 You did something! - Alan Pope's blog
[00:23]	TR News	Alan Pope: Thanks, Mastodon contributors https://popey.com/blog/2023/09/thanks-mastodon-contributors/
[00:23]	TR Bot	 Thanks, Mastodon contributors - Alan Pope's blog
[00:25]	TR News	Open source tooling at GITEX Global https://ubuntu.com//blog/open-source-tooling-at-gitex-global
[00:25]	TR Bot	source tooling at GITEX Global | Ubuntu
[00:26]	TR News	itsubuntu? No. It'sWindowsSPAM https://itsubuntu.com/windows-11-security-features-a-comprehensive-overview/
[00:26]	TR Bot	( status 404 @ https://itsubuntu.com/windows-11-security-features-a-comprehensive-overview/ )
[00:27]	TR News	How to Fix an Error Unable to Correct Problems You Have Held Broken Packages https://trendoceans.com/unable-to-correct-problems-you-have-held-broken-packages/
[00:27]	TR Bot	 How to Fix an Error Unable to Correct Problems You Have Held Broken Packages - TREND OCEANS
[00:28]	TR News	David Mohammed: Ubuntu Budgie 23.10 Release Notes https://ubuntubudgie.org/2023/09/ubuntu-budgie-23-10-release-notes/
[00:28]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Budgie 23.10 Release Notes | Ubuntu Budgie
[00:30]	TR News	Terrible idea, makes many wrong assumptions https://popey.com/blog/2023/09/the-90mph-office/
[00:30]	TR Bot	 The 90mph office - Alan Pope's blog
[00:31]	TR News	Ravi Dwivedi: Debconf23 https://ravidwivedi.in/posts/debconf23/
[00:32]	TR Bot	 Debconf23
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● Sep 25
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[01:12]	sharkey	when I go to the movies they don't usually stop me from bringing my backpack
[01:12]	sharkey	i usually go to the dollar store and buy a bunch of snacks and make my own popcorn
[01:12]	sharkey	fill up the backpack
[01:13]	schestowitz	you can get arrested by the poprcorn police
[01:14]	sharkey	I don't think I've ever seen any signage that said I couldn't do that
[01:15]	TR News	The best model checker is your head https://buttondown.email/hillelwayne/archive/the-best-model-checker-is-your-head/
[01:15]	TR Bot	 The best model checker is your head Buttondown
[01:16]	TR News	ORG warns of threat to privacy and free speech as Online Safety Bill is passed https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press-releases/org-warns-of-threat-to-privacy-and-free-speech-as-online-safety-bill-is-passed/
[01:16]	TR Bot	 ORG warns of threat to privacy and free speech as Online Safety Bill is passed | Open Rights Group
[01:17]	TR News	The Modem Tax https://tedium.co/2023/09/22/fcc-landlines-modem-tax/
[01:17]	TR Bot	 The Modem Tax: An Urban Legend With The Ring Of Truth
[01:19]	TR News	GStreamer: GStreamer 1.22.6 stable bug fix release https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/news/#2023-09-20T20:00:00Z
[01:19]	TR Bot	 GStreamer: news
[01:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[01:20]	TR News	Dev snapshot: Godot 4.2 dev 5 https://godotengine.org/article/dev-snapshot-godot-4-2-dev-5/
[01:20]	TR Bot	 Dev snapshot: Godot 4.2 dev 5
[01:21]	TR News	PREDATOR IN THE WIRES: Ahmed Eltantawy Targeted with Predator Spyware After Announcing Presidential Ambitions https://citizenlab.ca/2023/09/predator-in-the-wires-ahmed-eltantawy-targeted-with-predator-spyware-after-announcing-presidential-ambitions/
[01:21]	TR Bot	 PREDATOR IN THE WIRES: Ahmed Eltantawy Targeted with Predator Spyware After Announcing Presidential Ambitions - The Citizen Lab
[01:22]	TR News	Apple Patches 3 Zero-Days Likely Exploited by Spyware Vendor to Hack iPhones https://www.securityweek.com/apple-patches-3-zero-days-likely-exploited-by-spyware-vendor-to-hack-iphones/
[01:22]	TR Bot	Patches 3 Zero-Days Likely Exploited by Spyware Vendor to Hack iPhones - SecurityWeek
[01:22]	TR News	Obfuscated Scans for Older Adobe Experience Manager Vulnerabilities, (Tue, Sep 19th) https://isc.sans.edu/diary/rss/30230
[01:22]	TR Bot	 Obfuscated Scans for Older Adobe Experience Manager Vulnerabilities - SANS Internet Storm Center
[01:22]	TR News	New Sandman APT Group Hitting Telcos With Rare LuaJIT Malware https://www.securityweek.com/new-sandman-apt-group-hitting-telcos-with-rare-luajit-malware/
[01:22]	TR Bot	'Sandman' APT Group Hitting Telcos With Rare LuaJIT Malware - SecurityWeek
[01:24]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: Still working on this a little.
[01:24]	DaemonFC	But basically done.
[01:24]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2023/09/24/almost-everyone-involved-with-gnome-gtk-is-part-of-the-troll-farm-also-more-on-libera-chat/
[01:24]	TR Bot	 Almost Everyone Involved With GNOME/GTK is Part of the Troll Farm. Also, More on Libera Chat. | BaronHK's Rants
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[01:26]	DaemonFC	Still fixing some issues.
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[01:34]	TR News	Phone scams conducted using PayPals own invoicing service https://www.netcraft.com/blog/phone-scams-conducted-using-paypals-own-invoicing-service/
[01:34]	TR Bot	scams conducted using PayPals own invoicing service | Netcraft
[01:34]	DaemonFC	Still working...
[01:34]	TR News	Scam victim loses more than 6,000 after buying an 8 camera on eBay https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/scam-victim-loses-more-than-6000-after-buying-an-8-camera-on-ebay-aMWq19Z2BnUb
[01:34]	TR Bot	 Scam victim loses more than 6,000 after buying an 8 camera on eBay - Which? News
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[01:41]	DaemonFC	https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2023/09/24/womans-two-boyfriends-get-into-fight-leading-to-one-pistol-whipping-the-other-in-waukegan/
[01:41]	TR Bot	 Woman's two boyfriends get into fight, leading to one pistol-whipping the other in Waukegan
[01:41]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: These are the people who complain that immigrants are taking their job.
[01:42]	schestowitz	sometimes that happens
[01:42]	schestowitz	sometimes it's a red heerring
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[01:44]	TR News	Automobile workers union lodges complaint against US senator https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/09/automobile-workers-labor-union-lodges-complaint-against-us-senator/
[01:44]	TR Bot	 Automobile workers union lodges complaint against US senator - JURIST - News
[01:45]	TR News	South Korea opposition leader ends 24-day hunger strike https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-korea-opposition-leader-ends-24-day-hunger-strike
[01:45]	TR Bot	 South Korea opposition leader ends 24-day hunger strike | The Straits Times
[01:46]	TR News	The Right to Strike Underutilised by Workers in the Technology Sector https://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/23
[01:46]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[01:46]	TR News	Workers expand strike against automakers amid dueling visions https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2023/0922/Workers-expand-strike-against-automakers-amid-dueling-visions
[01:46]	TR Bot	expands strike against automakers amid dueling visions - CSMonitor.com
[01:46]	TR News	An Ohio Town Struggles Between Bidens Clean Energy Agenda and Union Support https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/us/politics/biden-electric-vehicles-uaw.html
[01:46]	TR Bot	 An Ohio Town Struggles Between Bidens Clean Energy Agenda and Union Support - The New York Times
[01:46]	TR News	UAW Strike: Biden to Visit Michigan to Support Autoworkers on Picket Line https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/us/politics/uaw-biden-shawn-fain.html
[01:46]	TR Bot	 UAW Strike: Biden to Visit Michigan to Support Autoworkers on Picket Line - The New York Times
[01:47]	TR News	Justice Ministry seeks to strike openly fascist party from register https://yle.fi/a/74-20051480
[01:47]	TR Bot	 Justice Ministry seeks to strike openly fascist party from register | News | Yle Uutiset
[01:47]	TR News	Progress in Hollywood Writers Strike Negotiations, but No Deal Yet https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/business/media/hollywood-writers-strike-negotiations.html
[01:47]	TR Bot	 Progress in Hollywood Writers Strike Negotiations, but No Deal Yet - The New York Times
[01:47]	TR News	Is Work the American Disease? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/opinion/work-labor-strikes.html
[01:47]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Is Work the American Disease? - The New York Times
[01:48]	TR News	Tim Scott Invokes Ronald Reagan and Says UAW Strikers Should Be Fired https://reason.com/2023/09/20/tim-scott-invokes-ronald-reagan-and-says-uaw-strikers-should-be-fired/
[01:48]	TR Bot	 Tim Scott Says UAW Strikers Should Be Fired, Invoking Ronald Reagan
[01:48]	TR News	The Obvious Warning Sign https://tedium.co/2023/09/19/unity-digital-economy-warning-signs/
[01:48]	TR Bot	 Unitys Developer Royalty Drama Is A Digital Economy Red Flag
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[01:50]	TR News	US, UK strike data transfer agreement https://cyberscoop.com/us-uk-data-transfer-agreement/
[01:50]	TR Bot	UK strike data transfer agreement | CyberScoop
[01:50]	TR News	Impact of UAW Strike Against Big Three US Automakers Spreading https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Impact-of-UAW-Strike-Against-Big-Three-US-Automakers-Spreading-20230921-0004.html
[01:50]	TR Bot	 Impact of UAW Strike Against Big Three US Automakers Spreading | News | teleSUR English
[01:51]	TR News	Ford avoids Canada walkout as UAW prepares for more US auto strikes https://nypost.com/2023/09/20/ford-avoids-canada-walkout-as-uaw-prepares-for-more-us-auto-strikes/
[01:51]	TR Bot	 Ford avoids Canada walkout as UAW prepares for more US auto strikes
[01:52]	TR News	Network Lobotomy https://tedium.co/2023/09/20/the-cw-nexstar-revamp/
[01:52]	TR Bot	 The CW Is Changing. It Might Hint At Broadcasts Future
[01:54]	TR News	UMich experts talk UAW strike, potential impact on Washtenaw County https://www.michigandaily.com/news/business/umich-experts-talk-uaw-strike-potential-impact-on-washtenaw-county/
[01:54]	TR Bot	 UAW strikes, UMich experts talk Michigan impact
[01:54]	TR News	Long Way to Go Before Deals Reached to End Strike in Detroit https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Long-Way-to-Go-Before-Deals-Reached-to-End-Strike-in-Detroit-20230919-0001.html
[01:54]	TR Bot	 NO TITLE
[01:55]	TR News	Helsinki high schoolers also strike over looming budget cuts https://yle.fi/a/74-20051045
[01:55]	TR Bot	 Helsinki high schoolers also strike over looming budget cuts | News | Yle Uutiset
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[01:56]	TR News	"Autoworkers want, and deserve, a big raise." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/20/opinion/uaw-strike-economy-biden.html
[01:56]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The United Auto Workers Will Lose. I Worry for Our Economy and for President Biden. - The New York Times
[01:56]	TR News	U.A.W. Threatens Strikes at More Plants https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/19/business/economy/uaw-strikes-gm-ford-stellantis.html
[01:56]	TR Bot	 U.A.W. Threatens Strikes at More Plants - The New York Times
[01:57]	TR News	"secret justice for rapists" https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/sex-offence-victims-privacy-court/
[01:57]	TR Bot	 Journalists oppose proposal for private evidence in sex offence trials - Press Gazette
[01:59]	TR News	Producing real change: key highlights of our results http://privacyinternational.org/long-read/5144/producing-real-change-key-highlights-our-results
[01:59]	TR Bot	 Producing real change: key highlights of our results | Privacy International
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[01:59]	TR News	"in the trial she stood for "violating the privacy of personal life" for sharing a video that a Munzur University faculty member posted on her WhatsApp status" https://www.bianet.org/english/freedom-of-expression/284344-fast-track-appeal-from-prosecutor-to-acquittal-of-bianet-correspondent
[01:59]	TR Bot	 Fast-track appeal from prosecutor to acquittal of bianet correspondent - english
● Sep 25
[02:00]	TR News	FTC nominees urge Congress to pass federal data privacy law https://cyberscoop.com/ftc-nominees-federal-data-privacy-law/
[02:00]	TR Bot	nominees urge Congress to pass federal data privacy law | CyberScoop
[02:00]	TR News	Privacy Internationals Briefing on the Draft Text of the UN Cybercrime Convention http://privacyinternational.org/advocacy/5143/privacy-internationals-briefing-draft-text-un-cybercrime-convention
[02:00]	TR Bot	 Privacy Internationals Briefing on the Draft Text of the UN Cybercrime Convention | Privacy International
[02:01]	TR News	Freecycle Network suffers breach, users told to change passwords https://itwire.com/security/freecycle-network-suffers-breach,-users-told-to-change-passwords.html
[02:01]	TR Bot	- Freecycle Network suffers breach, users told to change passwords
[02:02]	TR News	Real child protection instead of Big Brother scanning: 5-point plan for the deadlocked EU Council negotiations on child sexual abuse bill (chat control) https://www.patrick-breyer.de/real-child-protection-instead-of-big-brother-scanning-5-point-plan-for-the-deadlocked-eu-council-negotiations-on-child-sexual-abuse-bill-chat-control/
[02:02]	TR Bot	 Real child protection instead of Big Brother scanning: 5-point plan for the deadlocked EU Council negotiations on child sexual abuse bill (chat control) Patrick Breyer
[02:02]	TR News	Britain Passes Sweeping New Online Safety Law https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/19/technology/britain-online-safety-law.html
[02:02]	TR Bot	 Britain Passes Sweeping New Online Safety Law - The New York Times
[02:03]	TR News	Official: Allegation of Indias link to Sikhs killing based on human and surveillance intelligence https://federalnewsnetwork.com/world-news/2023/09/india-suspends-visa-services-in-canada-and-rift-widens-over-killing-of-canadian-citizen/
[02:03]	TR Bot	 Surveillance of Indian diplomats in Canada led to allegations around Sikh killing, official says | Federal News Network
[02:03]	TR News	Introducing the Librem 11 https://puri.sm/posts/introducing-the-librem-11/
[02:03]	TR Bot	 Introducing the Librem 11 Purism
[02:04]	TR News	Huawei subsidiary ships advanced surveillance camera chips in another sign its skirting US sanctions https://siliconangle.com/2023/09/20/huawei-subsidiary-ships-advanced-surveillance-camera-chips-another-sign-skirting-us-sanctions/
[02:04]	TR Bot	subsidiary ships advanced surveillance camera chips in another sign it's skirting US sanctions - SiliconANGLE
[02:05]	TR News	EU lawmakers must regulate the harmful use of tech by law enforcement in the AI Act https://edri.org/our-work/civil-society-statement-regulate-police-tech-ai-act/
[02:05]	TR Bot	 EU lawmakers must regulate the harmful use of tech by law enforcement in the AI Act - European Digital Rights (EDRi)
[02:05]	TR News	UN report says border surveillance technology and decision algorithms may endanger human rights https://www.jurist.org/news/2023/09/un-reports-impact-of-digital-border-technologies-on-human-rights/
[02:05]	TR Bot	 UN report says border surveillance technology and decision algorithms may endanger human rights - JURIST - News
[02:06]	TR News	Oracle Bets on Graal to Run Cloud-Native Java Apps Faster https://cloudnativenow.com/topics/cloudnativedevelopment/oracle-bets-on-graal-to-run-cloud-native-java-apps-faster/
[02:06]	TR Bot	 Oracle Bets on Graal to Run Cloud-Native Java Apps Faster - Cloud Native Now
[02:07]	TR News	Not Your Grandpas Packet Filter: eBPF in Cloud-Native Networking https://cloudnativenow.com/topics/not-your-grandpas-packet-filter-ebpf-in-cloud-native-networking/
[02:07]	TR Bot	 Not Your Grandpas Packet Filter: eBPF in Cloud-Native Networking - Cloud Native Now
[02:07]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: There's almost no reason left to use GTK.
[02:07]	DaemonFC	Outside of GNOME, it's used minimally, by like Firefox and SeaMonkey.
[02:07]	TR News	How to Install MongoDB on CentOS https://vitux.com/centos-mongodb/
[02:07]	TR Bot	to Install MongoDB on CentOS - VITUX
[02:08]	TR News	Fedora Community Blog: CPE Weekly update Week 38 2023 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/cpe-weekly-update-week-38-2023/
[02:08]	TR Bot	 CPE Weekly update Week 38 2023 Fedora Community Blog
[02:09]	TR News	CentOS Board Meeting Recap, September 2023 https://blog.centos.org/2023/09/centos-board-meeting-recap-september-2023/
[02:09]	TR Bot	Board Meeting Recap, September 2023 Blog.CentOS.org
[02:09]	TR News	Red Hat Previews OpenStack Integration With OpenShift Platform https://cloudnativenow.com/topics/cloudnativedevelopment/red-hat-previews-openstack-integration-with-openshift-platform/
[02:09]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Previews OpenStack Integration With OpenShift Platform - Cloud Native Now
[02:09]	TR News	Red Hat Previews OpenShift Platform for AI Models https://cloudnativenow.com/topics/cloudnativedevelopment/red-hat-previews-openshift-platform-for-ai-models/
[02:10]	TR Bot	 Red Hat Previews OpenShift Platform for AI Models - Cloud Native Now
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[02:11]	TR News	"In the software development world, we call it technical debt." https://adam.younglogic.com/2023/09/make-haste-slowly/
[02:11]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: https://stopthemingmy.app/
[02:11]	TR Bot	 Make Haste Slowly | Adam Young's Web Log
[02:11]	TR Bot	 Please dont theme our apps
[02:13]	DaemonFC	"
[02:13]	TR News	Adam Young: Finding a line of code in the Kernel from a stack trace http://adam.younglogic.com/2023/09/finding-a-line-of-code-in-the-kernel-from-a-stack-trace/
[02:13]	DaemonFC	This is why we ask respectfully that our applications not be themed. They are built and tested for the upstream GNOME stylesheet, icons, and fonts, so thats what they should look like on peoples systems.
[02:13]	TR Bot	 Finding a line of code in the Kernel from a stack trace | Adam Young's Web Log
[02:13]	DaemonFC	Though we could disable theming directly in our apps, we do not want to resort to this. We believe that a technical solution would likely not be effective, because this is not a technical problem.
[02:13]	DaemonFC	Threats to make it "impossible". Like Windows? Where you have to hack a dll?
[02:14]	MinceR	maybe they could turn them into SaaSS :>
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[02:49]	TR News	Network testing with testpmd and noisy_vnf https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2023/09/21/network-testing-testpmd-and-noisyvnf
[02:49]	TR Bot	 Network testing with testpmd and noisy_vnf | Red Hat Developer
[02:50]	TR News	Red Hat rebrands OpenStack Platform for building and managing private clouds https://siliconangle.com/2023/09/19/red-hat-rebrands-openstack-platform-building-managing-private-clouds/
[02:50]	TR Bot	Hat rebrands OpenStack Platform for building and managing private clouds - SiliconANGLE
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[02:50]	TR News	DNS is the new BGP https://blog.apnic.net/2023/09/22/dns-is-the-new-bgp/
[02:50]	TR Bot	 DNS is the new BGP | APNIC Blog
[02:50]	TR News	APNIC celebrates 30 years: Part 3 The beginnings of address policy https://blog.apnic.net/2023/09/21/apnic-celebrates-30-years-part-3-the-beginnings-of-address-policy/
[02:50]	TR Bot	 APNIC celebrates 30 years: Part 3 The beginnings of address policy | APNIC Blog
[02:50]	TR News	Dual subsea cable cuts disrupt African Internet https://blog.apnic.net/2023/09/20/dual-subsea-cable-cuts-disrupt-african-internet/
[02:50]	TR Bot	 Dual subsea cable cuts disrupt African Internet | APNIC Blog
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[02:54]	TR News	Can Ghanas Debt Trap of Crisis and Bailouts Be Stopped? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/business/economy/ghana-debt-imf.html
[02:54]	TR Bot	 Can Ghanas Debt Trap of Crisis and Bailouts Be Stopped? - The New York Times
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[02:55]	TR News	20 Open-source Self-hosted Web Analytics Solution Alternative to Google Analytics https://medevel.com/20-os-web-analytics/
[02:55]	TR Bot	 20 Open-source Self-hosted Web Analytics Solution Alternative to Google Analytics
[02:56]	TR News	Recap of Second Enterprise Working Group Meeting https://freebsdfoundation.org/blog/recap-of-second-enterprise-working-group-meeting/
[02:56]	TR Bot	 Recap of Second Enterprise Working Group Meeting FreeBSD Foundation
[02:57]	TR News	Fortinet Patches High-Severity Vulnerabilities in FortiOS, FortiProxy, FortiWeb Products https://www.securityweek.com/fortinet-patches-high-severity-vulnerabilities-in-fortios-fortiproxy-fortiweb-products/
[02:57]	TR Bot	Patches High-Severity Vulnerabilities in FortiOS, FortiProxy, FortiWeb Products - SecurityWeek
[02:58]	TR News	The Rust Programming Language Blog: crates.io Policy Update RFC https://blog.rust-lang.org/2023/09/22/crates-io-usage-policy-rfc.html
[02:58]	TR Bot	 crates.io Policy Update RFC | Rust Blog
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[03:04]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2023/09/25/gtk-applications-are-largely-irrelevant/
[03:04]	TR Bot	 GTK Applications Are Largely Irrelevant. | BaronHK's Rants
[03:04]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: ^
[03:04]	schestowitz	checking
[03:05]	TR News	The Rust Programming Language Blog: Announcing Rust 1.72.1 https://blog.rust-lang.org/2023/09/19/Rust-1.72.1.html
[03:05]	TR Bot	 Announcing Rust 1.72.1 | Rust Blog
[03:06]	TR News	"Richard Hainsworth has been working a lot on improving the search functionality of the documentation of the Raku Programming Language, and has a prototype working waiting to be tested by you" https://rakudoweekly.blog/2023/09/18/2023-38-new-search/
[03:06]	TR Bot	 2023.38 New Search Rakudo Weekly News
[03:06]	DaemonFC	Fixing a bit.
[03:07]	TR News	Joey Hess: Haskell webassembly in the browser http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/Haskell_webassembly_in_the_browser/
[03:07]	TR Bot	 Haskell webassembly in the browser
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[03:07]	TR News	Java 21 gets 15 major enhancements and long-term support https://siliconangle.com/2023/09/19/java-21-gets-15-major-enhancements-long-term-support/
[03:07]	TR Bot	21 gets 15 major enhancements and long-term support - SiliconANGLE
[03:08]	DaemonFC	Fixed some stuff.
[03:08]	TR News	How to Use Jupyter Notebook: Beginners Tutorial https://www.debugpoint.com/jupyter-notebook-tutorial/
[03:08]	TR Bot	stream 1 was not closed cleanly: PROTOCOL_ERROR (err 1) ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/jupyter-notebook-tutorial/ )
[03:08]	sharkey	most gui frameworks are irrelevant
[03:08]	sharkey	TUI is the best
[03:08]	TR News	Industry automation? Theres an app for that! With FLECS and Portenta X8 https://blog.arduino.cc/2023/09/22/industry-automation-theres-an-app-for-that-with-flecs-and-portenta-x8/
[03:08]	TR Bot	 Industry automation? Theres an app for that! With FLECS and Portenta X8 | Arduino Blog
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[03:09]	DaemonFC	GTK extends the "GNOME Branding" into other desktops.
[03:09]	DaemonFC	It's very gross.
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[03:13]	sharkey	its all concerning
[03:14]	sharkey	nothing beats curses
[03:14]	sharkey	why anyone would need over 1000 megs of ram is just mind boggling
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[03:18]	lundy	nothing beats curses <- ansi 
[03:19]	lundy	ansi is more cross platform
[03:19]	lundy	curses has different implementations afaik
[03:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[03:22]	sharkey	enlightenment e16 is light enough to run on a 486
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[03:22]	sharkey	these new fancy desktops are so bloated
[03:24]	sharkey	then you find out gnome's gui is written in javascript, no wonder it uses 1500 megs of ram
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[03:25]	sharkey	planned obsolescence
[03:26]	lundy	pretty soon youll have to run gnome desktop on one computer, and have it run all your applications on the other
[03:26]	lundy	hey ive got a beowulf cluster
[03:26]	lundy	whats it running?
[03:27]	lundy	gnome!
[03:32]	TR News	Techrights GNOME and GTK Taking Freedom Away From Users http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/GNOME_and_GTK_Taking_Freedom_Away_From_Users.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/GNOME_and_GTK_Taking_Freedom_Away_From_Users.gmi 
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[03:33]	TR News	Techrights Purge of Software Freedom and Its Voices http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Purge_of_Software_Freedom_and_Its_Voices.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Purge_of_Software_Freedom_and_Its_Voices.gmi 
[03:33]	TR Bot	 Techrights Purge of Software Freedom and Its Voices
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[03:54]	sharkey	this 486 will eventually stop working
[03:54]	sharkey	if it lasts another ten years I will be happy
[03:54]	lundy	someone will make a homemade 486 on a chip eventually
[03:54]	sharkey	RISC-V looks good, if it really doesn't have backdoors, sidedoors and front doors
[03:55]	lundy	or moonroof
[03:56]	sharkey	moonroof?
[03:57]	lundy	i mean i wouldnt put it past them 
[03:57]	lundy	they already have backdoors and sidedoors
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[04:08]	TR News	Snagboot: Designing a USB recovery process for AM335x SoCs https://bootlin.com/blog/snagboot-designing-a-usb-recovery-process-for-am335x-socs/
[04:08]	TR Bot	Designing a USB recovery process for AM335x SoCs - Bootlin's blog
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[04:08]	TR News	"lower-cost alternative to the Raspberry Pi CM4-based Home Assistant Yellow gateway." https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/09/20/home-assistant-green-low-cost-home-assistant-gateway-beginners/
[04:09]	TR Bot	 Home Assistant Green - A $99 Home Assistant gateway with a Rockchip RK3566 processor - CNX Software
[04:09]	TR News	Perfecting Open Source Recipes in Paris https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/perfecting-open-source-recipes-in-paris.html
[04:09]	TR Bot	 Perfecting Open Source Recipes in Paris
[04:09]	TR News	Microsoft exposed 38TB of private data on GitHub: Wiz researchers https://itwire.com/security/microsoft-exposed-38tb-of-private-data-on-github-wiz-researchers.html
[04:09]	TR Bot	- Microsoft exposed 38TB of private data on GitHub: Wiz researchers
[04:10]	TR News	Dolby EP patent successfully challenged at the EPO https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2023/9/19/dolby-ep-patent-successfully-challenged-at-the-epo
[04:10]	TR Bot	 Dolby EP patent successfully challenged at the EPO Unified Patents
[04:12]	TR News	CISA, like NIST, actually strives for back doors in things (so long as it controls these) https://www.techrepublic.com/article/cisa-open-source-security-roadmap/
[04:12]	TR Bot	 CISA Aims For More Robust Open Source Software Security for Government and Critical Infrastructure
[04:12]	TR News	OT/IoT and OpenTitan, an Open Source Silicon Root of Trust https://www.securityweek.com/ot-iot-and-opentitan-an-open-source-silicon-root-of-trust/
[04:12]	TR Bot	and OpenTitan, an Open Source Silicon Root of Trust - SecurityWeek
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[04:22]	TR News	"SUSE has a particularly deep relationship with SAP" https://www.suse.com/c/rise-with-sap-and-suse-a-formidable-combination/
[04:22]	TR Bot	with SAP and SUSE: A Formidable Combination | SUSE Communities
[04:24]	TR News	Steinar H. Gunderson: Hash table reductions http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2023-09-18-23-54_hash_table_reductions.html
[04:24]	TR Bot	 Steinar H. Gunderson
[04:25]	TR News	Mike Blumenkrantz: Tis The Season https://www.supergoodcode.com/tis-the-season/
[04:25]	TR Bot	 Tis The Season Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.
[04:25]	TR News	Kurdish journalist Sedat Ylmaz faces 'terror' charges over 'lack of banking transactions,' social media activities https://www.bianet.org/english/freedom-of-expression/284392-kurdish-journalist-sedat-yilmaz-faces-terror-charges-over-lack-of-banking-transactions-social-media-activities
[04:25]	TR Bot	 Kurdish journalist Sedat Ylmaz faces 'terror' charges over 'lack of banking transactions,' social media activities - english
[04:26]	TR News	Of banks, supermarkets and the market economy https://eng.lsm.lv/article/features/commentary/20.09.2023-of-banks-supermarkets-and-the-market-economy.a524543/
[04:26]	TR Bot	 Of banks, supermarkets and the market economy / Article
[04:26]	TR News	Real Estate Crisis Triggers New Alarms Over Chinas Shadow Banks https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/22/business/china-economy-trusts-zhongrong-zhongzhi.html
[04:26]	TR Bot	 Real Estate Crisis Triggers New Alarms Over Chinas Shadow Banks - The New York Times
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[04:33]	TR News	UPC is illegal. Helsinki had a patent office run by a convicted criminal. What sort of patent system is this when run by criminals? JUVE, this publisher, also pockets bribes to promote this unconstitutional and illegal system. https://www.juve-patent.com/cases/helsinki-local-division-scrutinises-upc-opt-out-process-in-aim-sport-vs-supponor/
[04:33]	TR Bot	 Helsinki local division scrutinises UPC opt-out process in AIM Sport vs. Supponor - JUVE Patent
[04:34]	TR News	Aeritas mobile notification patent claims cancelled https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2023/9/21/aeritas-patent-claims-cancelled
[04:34]	TR Bot	 Aeritas mobile notification patent claims cancelled Unified Patents
[04:34]	TR News	Patent case: Judgment no. 18/2023 of Madrid Court of Appeals (Section 32) of 23 June 2023, Spain https://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2023/09/22/patent-case-judgment-no-18-2023-of-madrid-court-of-appeals-section-32-of-23-june-2023-spain/
[04:34]	TR Bot	 Patent case: Judgment no. 18/2023 of Madrid Court of Appeals (Section 32) of 23 June 2023, Spain - Kluwer Patent Blog
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[04:36]	TR News	Front page of https://www.linux.com/ still broken. Has been broken for days already. They're not fixing it.
[04:36]	TR Bot	- News For Open Source Professionals
[04:37]	TR News	NOT Linux https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/announcing-unified-acceleration-foundation-uxl
[04:37]	TR Bot	 Unified Acceleration Foundation Forms to Drive Open Accelerated Compute and Cross-Platform Performance
[04:37]	TR News	Also not Linux https://www.linuxfoundation.org/blog/world-of-open-source-europe-spotlight-2023-why-it-matters-and-what-it-reveals
[04:37]	TR Bot	 World of Open Source Europe Spotlight 2023: Why It Matters and What It Reveals
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[04:38]	TR News	Buzzwords instead of Linux https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/lf-edge-launches-new-sandbox-to-accelerate-code-deployment-of-open-source-edge-and-iot-technologies
[04:38]	TR Bot	 LF Edge Launches New Sandbox to Accelerate Code Deployment of Open Source Edge and IoT Technologies
[04:40]	TR News	Not about Linux, either https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-and-etsi-further-collaborate-to-drive-harmonization-across-open-source-and-open-standards https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-telco-api-project-camara-graduates-to-funded-model-with-strong-industry-commitment
[04:40]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation and ETSI Further Collaborate to Drive Harmonization Across Open Source and Open Standards
[04:40]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Telco API Project, CAMARA, Graduates to Funded Model with Strong Industry Commitment
[04:41]	TR News	UPC is illegal and unconstitutional, but JUVE got bribed to promote this illegal system, which deepens the EPO crisis and makes the EU complicit https://www.juve-patent.com/cases/10x-genomics-and-bardehle-win-upc-pi-against-nanostring/
[04:41]	TR Bot	 10x Genomics and Bardehle win UPC PI against NanoString - JUVE Patent
[04:42]	TR News	Frivolous litigation and bogus patents again https://www.juve-patent.com/cases/basic-holdings-and-dla-piper-secure-infringement-decision-over-decorative-fireplaces/
[04:42]	TR Bot	 Basic Holdings and DLA Piper secure infringement decision over decorative fireplaces - JUVE Patent
[04:43]	lundy	they would patent fire if they could
[04:43]	TR News	Avanci is a malicious patent troll, but this site is funded by the patent litigation cartel, so it won't inform readers of simple facts https://www.juve-patent.com/people-and-business/bmw-takes-avanci-licence-after-patent-pool-launches-5g-vehicle-programme/
[04:43]	TR Bot	 BMW takes Avanci licence after patent pool launches 5G vehicle programme - JUVE Patent
[04:43]	lundy	youd need a license to scuff your feet and touch a doorknob
[04:44]	TR News	Fortress entity, Entropic, broadcast cable patent challenged https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2023/9/21/fortress-entity-entropic-communications-wideband-receiver-patent-challenged
[04:44]	TR Bot	 Fortress entity, Entropic, broadcast cable patent challenged Unified Patents
[04:44]	lundy	or to use a magnifying glass to focus the sun
[04:44]	TR News	Input on the United States Government National Standards Strategy for CET (Part 1) https://www.patentprogress.org/2023/09/input-on-the-united-states-government-national-standards-strategy-for-cet-part-1/
[04:44]	TR Bot	 Input on the United States Government National Standards Strategy for CET (Part 1) - Patent Progress
[04:46]	TR News	Injuction using a system that is both illegal and unconstitutional. The criminals have, in effect, taken over "law enforcement". https://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2023/09/20/upc-grants-10x-genomics-preliminary-injunction-nanostring-appeals/
[04:46]	TR Bot	 UPC grants 10x Genomics preliminary injunction, NanoString appeals - Kluwer Patent Blog
[04:46]	TR News	How Prosecution History Can Support a Motivation to Combine https://patentlyo.com/patent/2023/09/prosecution-history-motivation.html
[04:46]	TR Bot	 How Prosecution History Can Support a Motivation to Combine | Patently-O
[04:46]	TR News	Federal Circuit Suspends Judge Newman for Refusing Mental Exam https://patentlyo.com/patent/2023/09/federal-suspends-refusing.html
[04:46]	TR Bot	 Federal Circuit Suspends Judge Newman for Refusing Mental Exam | Patently-O
[04:47]	TR News	Sonos Scores Major Win vs. Google at U.S. International Trade Tribunal https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/09/19/sonos-us-international-trade-tribunal/
[04:47]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/09/19/sonos-us-international-trade-tribunal/ )
[04:48]	TR News	INPI exported a lot of crime and corruption to the EPO; now we have cartel-bribed publishers like JUVE issuing this waffle https://www.juve-patent.com/cases/supreme-court-shows-inpi-the-way-to-harmonisation-with-epo-regulation/
[04:48]	TR Bot	 Supreme Court shows INPI the way to harmonisation with EPO regulation - JUVE Patent
[04:48]	TR News	Enabled to Claim the Unknown? Federal Circuit applies Amgen v. Sanofi to invalidate broad antibody claims https://patentlyo.com/patent/2023/09/enabled-invalidate-antibody.html
[04:48]	TR Bot	 Enabled to Claim the Unknown? Federal Circuit applies Amgen v. Sanofi to invalidate broad antibody claims | Patently-O
[04:51]	TR News	Jussi Pakkanen: Circles do not exist https://nibblestew.blogspot.com/2023/09/circles-do-not-exist.html
[04:52]	TR Bot	 Nibble Stew: Circles do not exist
[04:54]	TR News	Sebastian Wick: On the Usefulness of SO_PEERPIDFD https://blog.sebastianwick.net/posts/so-peerpidfd-usefulness/
[04:54]	TR Bot	 On the Usefulness of SO_PEERPIDFD - swick's blog
[04:56]	TR News	"Signatories to the letter include the editors of The Sun, The Guardian, the FT and Private Eye." https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/slapps-editors-kings-speech-standalone-bill/
[04:56]	TR Bot	 UK's top editors call for standalone anti-SLAPP bill
[04:58]	TR News	The Biden administration tried to censor this Stanford doctor, but he won in court https://nypost.com/2023/09/20/how-dr-jay-bhattacharya-beat-biden-administration-censorship/
[04:58]	TR Bot	 How Dr. Jay Bhattacharya beat Biden administration censorship
[04:59]	TR News	Indian film flags importance of sex education in schools, but kids not allowed to watch it https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/meet-the-indian-teenager-who-is-unable-to-watch-the-film-he-has-acted-in
[04:59]	TR Bot	 Indian film flags importance of sex education in schools, but kids not allowed to watch it | The Straits Times
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[04:59]	TR News	Censorship on award-winning children's book https://www.bianet.org/english/freedom-of-expression/284154-censorship-on-award-winning-children-s-book
[04:59]	TR Bot	 Censorship on award-winning children's book - Hikmet Adal - english
● Sep 25
[05:00]	TR News	The Talospace Project: Progress on the Firefox ppc64le JIT https://www.talospace.com/2023/09/progress-on-firefox-ppc64le-jit.html
[05:00]	TR Bot	 Progress on the Firefox ppc64le JIT
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[05:02]	TR News	Waterfox claims to no longer be owned by a spying company, System1 http://www.zenwalk.org/2023/09/waterfox-new-way-to-go-for-browsing.html
[05:02]	TR Bot	 Zenwalk GNU Linux: Waterfox : the new way to go for browsing ?
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[05:03]	TR News	Techrights United Workforce Always Better for the Workers http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/United_Workforce_Always_Better_for_the_Workers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/United_Workforce_Always_Better_for_the_Workers.gmi 
[05:03]	TR Bot	 Techrights United Workforce Always Better for the Workers
[05:03]	TR News	Tantek elik: W3C Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee (TPAC) Meetings 2023 https://tantek.com/2023/262/b1/w3c-technical-plenary-tpac
[05:03]	TR Bot	Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee (TPAC) Meetings 2023 - Tantek
[05:04]	TR News	Cameron Kaiser: Google ending Basic HTML support for Gmail in 2024 http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2023/09/google-ending-basic-html-support-for.html
[05:04]	TR Bot	 TenFourFox Development: Google ending Basic HTML support for Gmail in 2024
[05:05]	TR News	Niko Matsakis: New Layout, and now using Hugo! https://smallcultfollowing.com/babysteps/blog/2023/09/19/new-layout/
[05:05]	TR Bot	 New Layout, and now using Hugo! baby steps
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[05:17]	sharkey	I used the sun and a magnifying glass to burn ants
[05:17]	sharkey	what is this, the center for ants?
[05:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[05:20]	lundy	if you use a magnifying glass with the moon instead the ants dont die
[05:20]	lundy	they just get lounge chairs and use it to tan
[05:20]	lundy	it only works on lighter coloured ants obviously
[05:20]	sharkey	do the ants have crystals that they can charge in the moonlight?
[05:21]	lundy	yeah, grains of sugar
[05:21]	lundy	thats why theyre always carrying them around for pagan rituals
[05:21]	lundy	then they make them into offerings for the ant christ
[05:22]	lundy	not to be confused with the antichrist
[05:22]	lundy	he died on an asterisk
[05:37]	schestowitz	:-)
[05:37]	schestowitz	wore it as a crown
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● Sep 25
[06:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[06:42]	schestowitz	hi zenon 
[06:42]	zenon	Hi Roy
[06:46]	zenon	I wrote you about rss feed change after upgrade yesterday . The RSS feed change in thunderbird RSS Feed. Now I can see only "Links for the day" and not full page like before upgrade. :-(
[06:47]	zenon	It is possible to switch to old view?
[06:49]	schestowitz	i got the mesage
[06:49]	schestowitz	but you had left already
[06:49]	schestowitz	the old view was full text rss
[06:54]	zenon	Sorry I close tab. Yes, full text rss was great example I can searching in thunderbird for some text or links app names and other thinks. Is possible switch to full rss like before upgrade? 
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[06:59]	schestowitz	not without changing how the static page generator works
● Sep 25
[07:01]	lundy	   WELCOME!
[07:01]	lundy	YOUVE GOT MAIL!
[07:02]		*lundy clicks on My AOL 
[07:03]	lundy	its really just a drink coaster now
[07:05]	TR News	Techrights Privacy is Not a Crime, Reporting Hidden Facts Is Not a Crime Either http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Privacy_is_Not_a_Crime_Reporting_Hidden_Facts_Is_Not_a_Crime_Either.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Privacy_is_Not_a_Crime_Reporting_Hidden_Facts_Is_Not_a_Crime_Either.gmi 
[07:05]	TR Bot	 Techrights Privacy is Not a Crime, Reporting Hidden Facts Is Not a Crime Either
[07:05]	TR News	Techrights Another Copyright Lawsuit Against Microsoft (or its Proxy) for Misuse of Large Works by Chatbot http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Another_Copyright_Lawsuit_Against_Microsoft_or_its_Proxy_for_Mi.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Another_Copyright_Lawsuit_Against_Microsoft_or_its_Proxy_for_Mi.gmi 
[07:05]	TR Bot	 Techrights Another Copyright Lawsuit Against Microsoft (or its Proxy) for Misuse of Large Works by Chatbot
[07:05]	zenon	jop :-(
[07:05]	zenon	https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mn3hu2XE2qZjhIlOYkAni__5hppi9ydU/view?usp=sharing
[07:05]	TR Bot	 Before_upgrade.png - Google Drive
[07:05]	TR News	Techrights Godot 4.2 is Approaching, But After What Happened to Unity All Game Developers Should be CarefulGodot 4.2 is Approaching, But After What Happened to Unity All Game Developers Should be Careful http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Godot_4_2_is_Approaching_But_After_What_Happened_to_Unity_All_G.shtml
[07:05]	TR Bot	 Techrights Godot 4.2 is Approaching, But After What Happened to Unity All Game Developers Should be CarefulGodot 4.2 is Approaching, But After What Happened to Unity All Game Developers Should be Careful
[07:06]	schestowitz	zenon: yess, that's generated by wordpress
[07:06]	zenon	https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mn3hu2XE2qZjhIlOYkAni__5hppi9ydU/view?usp=sharing
[07:07]	schestowitz	we stopped using wordpress
[07:10]	zenon	:(
[07:11]	zenon	Is there any chance that you will work something similar?
[07:16]	sharkey	what about a newsletter?
[07:18]	lundy	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=taJ4MFCxiuo
[07:18]	TR Bot	 The Simpsons - Monorail Town Hall Meeting & Song - Invidious
[07:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[07:20]	sharkey	you could probably generate a daily digest e-mail that people could jump to
[07:24]	eidolon	That's what the RSS feed is for.
[07:26]	schestowitz	<zenon> Is there any chance that you will work something similar?
[07:26]	schestowitz	possibly
[07:26]	schestowitz	but the priority atm is putting back up the older pages, this time without wordpress or DB
[07:30]	DaemonFC	Alan Pope made me laugh when he said he paid for Sublime because of GPU accelerated text editing.
[07:31]	zenon	It will be great! Thanks.
[07:32]	eidolon	Well, it is simpler and more readable now to webdump an article, with link references, than it was previous.
[07:36]	eidolon	This is what I've taken to doing, rather than parsing the article from the feed data. I would pipe this to less(1).
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● Sep 25
[08:01]	lundy	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=cfdZUnHkuuI
[08:01]	TR Bot	 56k (song made entirely from dial-up modem sound) - Invidious
[08:05]	TR News	"Microsoft's security reputation has taken another beating" https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/microsoft-leaks-xbox-plans-along-with-documents-in-ftc-case.html
[08:05]	TR Bot	- Microsoft leaks Xbox plans along with documents in FTC case
[08:05]	eidolon	lundy, https://oona.windytan.com/posters/dialup-final.png
[08:07]	eidolon	spicy piano rolls
[08:09]	TR News	 (NEW): Linux 6.6-rc3 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/more_issues.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/more_issues.gmi 
[08:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Linux 6.6-rc3
[08:09]	TR News	 (NEW): Review: Mageia 9 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Review_Mageia_9.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Review_Mageia_9.gmi 
[08:09]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Review: Mageia 9
[08:10]	lundy	funny i was just looking at the video for that
[08:10]	lundy	https://oona.windytan.com/posters/dialup-final.png
[08:11]	TR News	 (NEW): A bit on sponsorship and money http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/A_bit_on_sponsorship_and_money.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/A_bit_on_sponsorship_and_money.gmi 
[08:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines A bit on sponsorship and money
[08:11]	TR News	 (NEW): Unifont 15.1.02 and GNU gettext 0.22.1 Released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Unifont_15_1_02_and_GNU_gettext_0_22_1_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Unifont_15_1_02_and_GNU_gettext_0_22_1_Released.gmi 
[08:11]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Unifont 15.1.02 and GNU gettext 0.22.1 Released
[08:15]	eidolon	article: https://www.windytan.com/2012/11/the-sound-of-dialup-pictured.html
[08:15]	TR Bot	 absorptions: The sound of the dialup, pictured
[08:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[08:20]	lundy	"The only reason I'm familiar with this scenario, is that I continued using dialup even after the landlines transitioned to VOIP, & over a cellphone, long after Cable modems & (shudder) DSL came onto the scene. Whether hardwired or wireless, VOIP plays hell with digitized signal timing."
[08:21]	lundy	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=LLwHzFoWi7s
[08:21]	TR Bot	 The strangest failed V.92 56k dial up handshake sound ever - Invidious
[08:21]	lundy	"They each heard the other's modem's hello, then couldn't make out each other's handshakes, failure tones, & fallback handshakes."
[08:25]	eidolon	lundy, ye might enjoy the sigidwiki
[08:28]	lundy	wild
[08:29]	lundy	wimax sounds like a mosquito trying to swim
[08:30]	lundy	https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/Possible_Telemetry_GFSK_signal_on_220Mhz
[08:30]	TR Bot	 Possible Telemetry GFSK signal on 220Mhz - Signal Identification Wiki
[08:31]	lundy	weather balloons sound like mozart having a bad day https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/MRZ-3MK_Weather_Balloon_(radiosonde)
[08:31]	TR Bot	 MRZ-3MK Weather Balloon (radiosonde) - Signal Identification Wiki
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[08:34]	eidolon	lundy, always fond of cry2001 https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/CRY2001_Voice_Scrambler
[08:34]	TR Bot	 CRY2001 Voice Scrambler - Signal Identification Wiki
[08:35]	lundy	did you see this https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nf5-m3_4kUs&listen=false
[08:35]	TR Bot	 Drawing a Dragon With Music (Spectrogram Art) - Invidious
[08:36]	eidolon	not that one, but other kinds of spectrogram art
[08:36]	eidolon	it is often put out over the radio 'waterfall art'.
[08:37]	eidolon	certain albums are famous for including some
[08:38]	eidolon	on the radio note, voice of america does this occasionally
[08:39]	lundy	fun
[08:41]	eidolon	they sign off with some for the https://swradiogram.net/
[08:41]	TR Bot	 
[08:43]	DaemonFC	https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/opinion/ai-internet-lawsuit.html
[08:43]	TR Bot	 Opinion | This Is How A.I. Ruins the Internet - The New York Times
[08:43]	DaemonFC	schestowitz: IBM stole a man's voice samples and used them to make a synthetic voice that could say anything, 20 years after he did some voice work for them.
[08:43]	DaemonFC	Apparently, one of the places it showed up was Wimbledon.
[08:44]	DaemonFC	"Already, artists are deleting their work from X, formerly known as Twitter, after the company said it would be using data from its platform to train its A.I."
[08:44]	DaemonFC	LOL
[08:46]	DaemonFC	https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/05/09/spotify-removes-tens-of-thousands-of-ai-generated-songs-heres-why/?sh=529b54734f4a
[08:46]	TR Bot	 Spotify Removes Tens Of Thousands Of AI-Generated Songs: Heres Why
[08:46]	DaemonFC	Robots making "music" for other bots to "stream".
[08:46]	DaemonFC	:)
[08:46]	eidolon	stole them from where?
[08:47]	DaemonFC	In 2003, he did some voice acting work and then they used it to make a synthetic speech system.
[08:47]	DaemonFC	"Boomy claims its users have created over 14 million songs, totaling about 13.83% of the world's recorded music."
[08:48]	DaemonFC	"For example, a TikTok creator used AI to make an original song by the Weeknd and Drake called Heart on my Sleeve, and racked up millions of streams before platforms like Spotify, Apple Music, Youtube and TikTok removed it."
[08:49]	DaemonFC	It makes sense they'd start with something utterly talentless and garbage, like rap.
[08:49]	lundy	you can put talent into nearly any task
[08:50]	lundy	i mean its just showing off but anything can be made trickier
[08:50]	DaemonFC	https://fortune.com/2023/09/03/ai-written-mushroom-hunting-guides-sold-on-amazon-potentially-deadly/
[08:50]	TR Bot	mushroom hunting guides sold on Amazon potentially deadly | Fortune
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[08:53]	lundy	only if you eat them
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[08:53]	lundy	you can hunt deadly mushrooms for generations and they rarely attack humans
[08:54]	lundy	its not really even sporting
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● Sep 25
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[09:09]	eidolon	when you're done reading it, you can bite down on it as your insides turn to mush.
[09:09]	eidolon	that's value.
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[09:17]	eidolon	2nd Edition of the AWK Programming Language, I have an inkling this contains some added Python dependencies.
[09:18]	eidolon	D;
[09:18]	eidolon	Maybe I will get an AI copy.
[09:18]	lundy	3rd Edition has been mostly redone with rust
[09:19]	lundy	fanboys are saying it RAWKs
[09:19]	eidolon	they are all a bit awk(1)ward
[09:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[09:29]	lundy	Zero to #RustLang in 2 commands:  1 Install the rust toolchain :terminal: curl https://sh.rustup.rs | sh
[09:30]	lundy	finally the digital equivalent of finding a pill on the sidewalk and swallowing it to see what it does
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[09:35]	eidolon	yeah, route of administration may vary
[09:36]	lundy	with rust it looks the same going in as coming out anyway
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[09:36]		*lundy cant believe no ones made an ide for rust called "trombone" yet
[09:38]	eidolon	it came out the same way it went in
[09:38]	eidolon	stands to reason
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[10:16]	lundy	quassel is obviously a piece of shit. even on ignore it just litters the page with a spam url
[10:17]	lundy	and yeah, a client that cant ignore the quit msg from someone youve ignored is also a piece of shit
[10:17]	schestowitz	compared to what?
[10:17]	lundy	compared to something that doesnt do that.
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[10:18]	lundy	its entirely possible that the set of clients and set of clients with this unfortunate shortcoming are the same
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[10:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[10:20]	lundy	funny that it says "chat comfortably" when its literally the only unfixable reason that isnt possible 
[10:20]	schestowitz	it's relatively good softwarer
[10:20]	schestowitz	did you try konversation?
[10:20]	schestowitz	(also qt)
[10:20]	lundy	then why cant it stay logged in
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[10:21]	TR Bot	 Blogs | Quassel IRC
[10:21]	schestowitz	quassel stop trying to reconnected it it failed for a long time
[10:22]	lundy	something to look forward to. i already have him ignored
[10:22]	schestowitz	write your opwn
[10:22]	schestowitz	i read irc vda comment line
[10:22]	schestowitz	*via
[10:22]	schestowitz	with colours
[10:23]	schestowitz	*command line
[10:23]	schestowitz	you can write your own filters
[10:23]	lundy	its only a holdover anyway
[10:34]	TR News	Kudos 2 is now on steam! omg. https://www.positech.co.uk/cliffsblog/2023/09/20/kudos-2-is-now-on-steam-omg/
[10:34]	TR Bot	 Kudos 2 is now on steam! omg. Cliffski's Blog
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● Sep 25
[11:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[11:46]	TR News	 (NEW): GStreamer 1.22.6 and Software Lists http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/GStreamer_1_22_6_and_Software_Lists.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/GStreamer_1_22_6_and_Software_Lists.gmi 
[11:46]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines GStreamer 1.22.6 and Software Lists
[11:46]	TR News	 (NEW): Modern Web Means Proprietary Trash http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Modern_Web_Means_Proprietary_Trash.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Modern_Web_Means_Proprietary_Trash.gmi 
[11:46]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Modern Web Means Proprietary Trash
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[13:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[13:32]	TR News	Techrights GNU/Linux Has Conquered the World, But Users' Freedom Has Not (Impediments Remain in Hardware) http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/GNU_Linux_Has_Conquered_the_World_But_Users_Freedom_Has_Not_Imp.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/GNU_Linux_Has_Conquered_the_World_But_Users_Freedom_Has_Not_Imp.gmi 
[13:32]	TR Bot	 Techrights GNU/Linux Has Conquered the World, But Users' Freedom Has Not (Impediments Remain in Hardware)
[13:32]	TR News	Techrights Modern Web Means Proprietary Trash http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Modern_Web_Means_Proprietary_Trash.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Modern_Web_Means_Proprietary_Trash.gmi 
[13:32]	TR Bot	 Techrights Modern Web Means Proprietary Trash
[13:32]	TR News	Techrights Linux Too Big to Be Properly Maintained When There's an Incentive to Sell More and More Things (Complexity and Narrow Support Window) http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Linux_Too_Big_to_Be_Properly_Maintained_When_There_s_an_Incenti.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Linux_Too_Big_to_Be_Properly_Maintained_When_There_s_an_Incenti.gmi 
[13:32]	TR Bot	 Techrights Linux Too Big to Be Properly Maintained When There's an Incentive to Sell More and More Things (Complexity and Narrow Support Window)
[13:32]	TR News	Techrights Security Isn't the Goal of Today's Software and Hardware Products http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Security_Isn_t_the_Goal_of_Today_s_Software_and_Hardware_Produc.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Security_Isn_t_the_Goal_of_Today_s_Software_and_Hardware_Produc.gmi 
[13:32]	TR Bot	 Techrights Security Isn't the Goal of Today's Software and Hardware Products
[13:33]	TR News	Techrights Linux Foundation: We Came, We Saw, We Plundered http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Linux_Foundation_We_Came_We_Saw_We_Plundered.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Linux_Foundation_We_Came_We_Saw_We_Plundered.gmi 
[13:33]	TR Bot	 Techrights Linux Foundation: We Came, We Saw, We Plundered
[13:35]	TR News	5 Steam Deck Mods to Try for Free https://www.maketecheasier.com/steam-deck-mods-list/
[13:35]	TR Bot	 5 Steam Deck Mods to Try for Free - Make Tech Easier
[13:35]	TR News	Upgrade Your Steam Deck With WD's Black SN770M for $109: Real Deals https://www.tomshardware.com/news/upgrade-your-steam-deck-with-wds-black-sn770m-for-dollar109-real-deals
[13:35]	TR Bot	 Upgrade Your Steam Deck With WD's Black SN770M for $109: Real Deals | Tom's Hardware
[13:44]	TR News	How to use a Potentiometer with Raspberry PI Pico (MicroPython) https://peppe8o.com/potentiometer-raspberry-pi-pico-micropython/
[13:44]	TR Bot	stream 1 was not closed cleanly: PROTOCOL_ERROR (err 1) ( status 0 @ https://peppe8o.com/potentiometer-raspberry-pi-pico-micropython/ )
[13:46]	TR News	Okay, Microservices Have Benefits Too https://two-wrongs.com/benefits-of-microservices
[13:46]	TR Bot	 Okay, Microservices Have Benefits Too
[13:47]	TR News	Relevance Under Uncertainty https://two-wrongs.com/relevance-under-uncertainty
[13:47]	TR Bot	 Relevance Under Uncertainty
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[13:48]	TR News	C++ client bindings for moteus https://jpieper.com/2023/09/19/c-client-bindings-for-moteus/
[13:48]	TR Bot	 C++ client bindings for moteus | A Modicum of Fun
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● Sep 25
[15:06]	TR News	Techrights Birthday of Techrights in 6 Weeks (Tux Machines and Techrights Reach Combined Age of 40 in 2025) http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Birthday_of_Techrights_in_6_Weeks_Tux_Machines_and_Techrights_R.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Birthday_of_Techrights_in_6_Weeks_Tux_Machines_and_Techrights_R.gmi 
[15:07]	TR Bot	 Techrights Birthday of Techrights in 6 Weeks (Tux Machines and Techrights Reach Combined Age of 40 in 2025)
[15:07]	TR News	Techrights IBM is Selling Complexity, Not GNU/Linux http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/IBM_is_Selling_Complexity_Not_GNU_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/IBM_is_Selling_Complexity_Not_GNU_Linux.gmi 
[15:07]	TR Bot	 Techrights IBM is Selling Complexity, Not GNU/Linux
[15:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Today_in_Techrights.gmi 
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Today in Techrights
[15:08]	TR News	 (NEW): LibreOffice Tools Options Menu Item Missing in MacOS: #HowTo Find http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/LibreOffice_Tools_Options_Menu_Item_Missing_in_MacOS_How_to_Fin.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/LibreOffice_Tools_Options_Menu_Item_Missing_in_MacOS_How_to_Fin.gmi 
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines LibreOffice Tools Options Menu Item Missing in MacOS: How to Find
[15:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Xfce vs GNOME: Which Desktop is for you? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Xfce_vs_GNOME_Which_Desktop_is_for_you.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Xfce_vs_GNOME_Which_Desktop_is_for_you.gmi 
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Xfce vs GNOME: Which Desktop is for you?
[15:08]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Android_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[15:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Free_Libre_and_Open_Source_Software_Leftovers.gmi 
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Leftovers
[15:08]	TR News	 (NEW): IBM is Selling Complexity, Not GNU/Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/IBM_is_Selling_Complexity_Not_GNU_Linux.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/IBM_is_Selling_Complexity_Not_GNU_Linux.gmi 
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines IBM is Selling Complexity, Not GNU/Linux
[15:08]	TR News	 (NEW): Distro Logos, Rolling Releases, and EasyOS http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Doubts_about_Linux_rolling_releases.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Doubts_about_Linux_rolling_releases.gmi 
[15:08]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Distro Logos, Rolling Releases, and EasyOS
[15:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[15:23]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/2309163
[15:23]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
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[16:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[17:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[18:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[18:52]	admfubar	https://hackaday.com/2023/09/25/inverse-vaccines-could-help-treat-autoimmune-conditions/
[18:52]	TR Bot	Vaccines Could Help Treat Autoimmune Conditions | Hackaday
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[19:02]	admfubar	https://scheerpost.com/2023/09/25/silent-coup-how-capitalism-defeated-decolonization/
[19:02]	TR Bot	Coup: How Capitalism Defeated Decolonization scheerpost.com
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[19:19]	admfubar	just the fax ma'm... https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2023/09/25/trademark_office_faxes/
[19:19]	TR Bot	 US Trademark Office considering going to the cloud for faxes The Register
[19:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[19:52]	eidolon	https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-10-05-mn-913-story.html
[19:52]	TR Bot	 Soviets Free the Dreaded Photocopier - Los Angeles Times
[19:53]	eidolon	some throwbacks
[19:53]	eidolon	https://www.netmeister.org/blog/epoch.html
[19:53]	TR Bot	 Time is an illusion, Unix time doubly so...
[19:55]	ZedHedTed	wow. apparently wordpress sites don't load in eww. that's pretty lame.
[19:55]	ZedHedTed	it gets stuck on contacting the host and never finishes.
[19:59]	sharkey	they work in lynx
● Sep 25
[20:02]	admfubar	https://pluralistic.net/2023/09/25/deep-scrape/
[20:02]	TR Bot	 Pluralistic: Podcasting How To Think About Scraping (25 Sept 2023) Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow
[20:02]	ZedHedTed	sharkey: you're right. i guess i can just open lynx in ansi-term if i wanna read from emacs that badly.
[20:06]	lundy	wordpress stopped being wordpress years ago
[20:06]	lundy	its more like ipress now
[20:07]	lundy	you think its bad in lynx, i stopped using it when the editor loaded blank (like nothing in the tab) in firefox (years ago)
[20:07]	lundy	complete trash, LOVE the ((?)) that wont go away. any site that has that is banned for me
[20:08]	lundy	put it at the top so i can get away from it
[20:08]	admfubar	https://www.ghacks.net/2023/09/25/microsoft-pushes-backup-app-to-windows-10-enterprise-devices-and-admins-are-not-happy/
[20:08]	TR Bot	 Microsoft pushes Backup App to Windows 10 Enterprise devices and Admins are not happy - gHacks Tech News
[20:10]	lundy	you can hack wordpress with a css plugin all day or you can switch to something less garbage
[20:11]	eidolon	lundy, ublock origin has an element picker / zapper. could use this to remove that.
[20:11]	lundy	yeah i mean if you can fight and win go ahead
[20:11]	lundy	i got tired of it
[20:12]	lundy	wordpress developers <3 users, oj loves nicole
[20:13]	eidolon	we avoid modern[sic] browsers when we can
[20:13]	eidolon	:)
[20:13]	lundy	all browsers are terrible, some are worse
[20:14]	MinceR	https://ircz.de/p/23091141
[20:14]	TR Bot	 WHOOPSIE
[20:14]	lundy	the web was a good idea once
[20:14]	lundy	it isnt proprietary yet but its got everything in common with the worst things about linux
[20:14]	lundy	including rust (mozilla uses it)
[20:14]	MinceR	does it even have a CoC?
[20:15]	sharkey	rust was invented by degenerate furries
[20:15]	lundy	i havent asked the web about its genitalia
[20:15]	lundy	furrust
[20:15]	sharkey	all you need is C
[20:16]	sharkey	everything else is planned obsolescence 
[20:16]	lundy	thats true, c is great for creating better languages
[20:16]	lundy	because ultimately c is that good 
[20:16]	lundy	i would love to see more languages created in lisp, only problem is most people who code in lisp are happy with lisp
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[20:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[20:31]	sharkey	C++ is C with a bunch of object oriented madness
[20:36]	lundy	i mean the reason thompson went to work on go is because c++ got too crazy in his opinion
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[20:36]	MinceR	TIL generics are crazy
[20:37]	lundy	who said generics?
[20:37]	lundy	Interview with Ken Thompson (We hated C++. If we'd thought of ... - Reddit Interview with Ken Thompson (We hated C++. If we'd thought of it we have done an OO version of C.) 
[20:38]	jrmu	yeah you should check out plan 9
[20:38]	jrmu	they're doing file oriented programming there
[20:38]	lundy	trying to find the quote of thompson saying he worked on go because c++ got too crazy
[20:38]	lundy	he was referring to certain things about the implementation
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[20:40]	lundy	Go, is an open-source programming language created by Google developers Robert Griesemer, Ken Thompson, and Rob Pike in 2007. 
[20:41]	lundy	two of those people were at bell labs and ofc thompson was mr. unix himself
[20:41]	lundy	im not even a golang fan, its just an interesting quote
[20:41]	lundy	id probably like c++ better than go.
[20:41]	lundy	ive actually edited and compiled c++ code but i dont write in it
[20:42]	lundy	cant find the quote, maybe it will turn up
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[20:43]	MinceR	it took people forever to convince go developers to implement generics
[20:43]	admfubar	https://www.alternet.org/traditional-downtowns-are-or-dying-in-many-us-cities-whats-next-for-these-zones/
[20:43]	TR Bot	downtowns are dead or dying in many US cities here's what's next - Alternet.org
[20:49]	lundy	workhouses and prisons and wework camps for gig economy interns
[20:49]	sharkey	I wonder if plan 9 would run on my 486
[20:49]	sharkey	good suggestion jrmu
[20:49]	jrmu	it might, try 9front
[20:49]	jrmu	it runs well on really old pcs
[20:49]	jrmu	it only uses like 40MB of RAM usually
[20:49]	lundy	A Plan 9 Newbie's Guide - Ready Plan 9 is an experimental UNIXlike operating system developed by Bell Labs and released as opensource freeware. It has requirements comparable to Win dows 95 (e.g., 32 MB RAM on a 486) and is often used in embedded systems. 1.3. Unicibus ipsis Unicior
[20:50]	lundy	"It has requirements comparable to Win dows 95 (e.g., 32 MB RAM on a 486)"
[20:50]	jrmu	http://9front.org/download
[20:50]	TR Bot	 releases
[20:50]	jrmu	yeah and if you want to test it out first, I can give you a shared plan 9 rc account
[20:50]	jrmu	I'm on 9front now
[20:51]	eidolon	ahoy jrmu
[20:51]	jrmu	o/
[20:51]	lundy	gig economy: everyones an intern now!
[20:51]	jrmu	personally I believe plan 9 is going to be the future now that linux has gone corporate
[20:52]	sharkey	yeah it might be
[20:52]	jrmu	it's really unpolished today but give it 10 years
[20:52]	sharkey	i currently run netbsd and enlightenment e16 on my 486 as a daily driver
[20:52]	lundy	can it run ksh because im really not down with plan 9 culture
[20:52]	lundy	nor am i going to try to change it i think it would just bite my leg off
[20:52]	jrmu	well it's got its own rc shell
[20:53]	lundy	yeah but it can run ksh obviously
[20:53]	jrmu	I'm not sure if it's got ksh, I never checked, but if you really miss unix you can ssh into a unix box
[20:53]	lundy	ive never used it for more than 5 seconds
[20:53]	jrmu	that's kind of what I do, when I need unix I just ssh into a unix vps
[20:53]	lundy	you can ssh into a unix box <- if im going to do that i might yknow just run unix
[20:53]	jrmu	I can check if it's got ksh
[20:53]	lundy	im genuinely curious
[20:53]	sharkey	jrmu - you run 9front?
[20:54]	jrmu	yeah I'm on 9front
[20:55]	lundy	"Plan 9 is Plan 9 file server also known as 9P protocol file server and allows Windows to access the files contained within WSL2. "
[20:55]	lundy	nice of them to steal more names
[20:55]	jrmu	yeah I don't know if there's a ksh
[20:56]	lundy	not even a port huh
[20:56]	jrmu	well the real reason I like plan 9 is the per process namespacing, and carrying everything to a file to its logical conclusion
[20:56]	jrmu	I don't know, maybe there is a ksh, I can't imagine it's too hard to port
[20:56]	jrmu	but the shell on 9 is a lot more powerful than on unix
[20:56]	lundy	its one of the lightest shells there is
[20:56]	jrmu	yeah but the filesystem is one of the best out there
[20:57]	lundy	but yeah plan 9 is really into plan 9 stuff
[20:57]	lundy	like more than average x is about x
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[20:59]	lundy	i dont know enough about plan 9 to say if its actually a monoculture
[20:59]	lundy	but unix hasnt been in forever
[20:59]	jrmu	I'm interested in a fork someday that's not so orthodox plan 9
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[21:00]	lundy	yeah
[21:00]	jrmu	it's pretty amazing what you can do with just the shell on it
[21:00]	lundy	nothing against sticking to the goals of the project
[21:00]	lundy	im talking about ports mostly
[21:00]	lundy	its a weird project but its their work so 
[21:03]	admfubar	https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/25/reddit-will-start-paying-you-real-money-for-your-karma/
[21:03]	TR Bot	will start paying you real money for good posts | TechCrunch
[21:03]	lundy	like the prodigy paying women to show up to concerts
[21:03]	admfubar	eeckss! https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/25/x-will-make-audio-and-video-calls-a-premium-subscriber-only-feature/
[21:03]	TR Bot	will make audio and video calls a premium subscriber-only feature | TechCrunch
[21:04]	lundy	how do you show a blue check with audio?
[21:04]	lundy	waterfall signal graph?
[21:05]	lundy	"technically if its subscriber only thats also like a blue" shh let me have my fun
[21:06]	MinceR	make an analog TV signal and slow it down so it's audible
[21:06]	admfubar	opens with remake "devil with a blue dress on" to "devil with a blue check on"
[21:06]	lundy	i doubt elon is as cool as that
[21:06]	lundy	if ye did the remake then i can see it
[21:06]	MinceR	melon is very far from cool
[21:07]	lundy	"shes a devil because she wanted child support and bought a blue dress" etc
[21:07]	admfubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2023/09/25/with-basically-zero-press-coverage-at-all-california-assembly-passes-its-own-version-of-fosta/
[21:07]	TR Bot	Basically Zero Press Coverage At All, California Assembly Passes Its Own Version Of FOSTA | Techdirt
[21:10]	lundy	someday iceland will rule the internet
[21:10]	lundy	when everywhere else has bungled it 
[21:10]	lundy	or it will just go dark
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[21:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:26]		*jacobk (~quassel@6wygwq2t5e2hw.irc) has joined #techrights
[21:26]	eidolon	lundy, there is 9base or plan9port also.
[21:27]	eidolon	ported tools
[21:28]	eidolon	gopher://kamalatta.ddnss.de/1/labs
[21:28]		*MinceR gives voice to jacobk
[21:30]	lundy	nice
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[21:43]	DaemonFC_Cloud	Ugh. I'm out of town at the moment for an appointment. IRC on Android phones sucks.
[21:44]	DaemonFC_Cloud	So IRC Cloud is a hack just for this.
[21:45]	admfubar	https://techxplore.com/news/2023-09-privacy-choices-smart-meters-consequences.html
[21:45]	TR Bot	 Privacy choices for smart meters may have consequences for decades
[21:53]	admfubar	https://eclecticlight.co/2023/09/25/postscripts-sudden-death-in-sonoma/
[21:53]	TR Bot	 PostScripts sudden death in Sonoma The Eclectic Light Company
● Sep 25
[22:04]	Moocher5254	DaemonFC_Cloud: Quassel is alright 
[22:04]	Moocher5254	IRCcloud should use less battery though
[22:05]	DaemonFC_Cloud	Yeah, back when Quassel was new I thought it was a little much.
[22:05]	admfubar	https://rocket9labs.com/post/its-time-to-let-go-apache-software-foundation/
[22:05]	TR Bot	 It's time to let go, Apache Software Foundation - Rocket 9 Labs
[22:08]	admfubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2023/09/25/after-passing-online-safety-bill-uk-government-gets-back-to-harassing-meta-about-its-end-to-end-encryption/
[22:08]	TR Bot	Passing Online Safety Bill, UK Government Gets Back To Harassing Meta About Its End-To-End Encryption | Techdirt
[22:08]	admfubar	https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2023/09/25/newsom_vetoes_robo_truck_bill/
[22:08]	TR Bot	 Newsom vetoes bill requiring human drivers in robo trucks The Register
[22:11]	admfubar	dont repair, just buy a new one! https://www.tweaktown.com/news/93445/apples-new-finewoven-accessories-might-be-its-biggest-flop-yet-as-this-picture-shows/index.html
[22:11]	TR Bot	 Apple's new FineWoven accessories might be its biggest flop yet as this picture shows
[22:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[22:48]	sharkey	I watched the blackberry documentary 
[22:49]	sharkey	cell phone companies were trying to do e-mail but it was using too much bandwidth
[22:50]	sharkey	so RIM came up with "push"
[22:50]	sharkey	(instead of pull, which is typical of e-mail)
[22:52]	sharkey	techrights could "push" e-mail out to other peoples e-mail servers, instead of them "pulling" by using an RSS client
[22:52]	sharkey	I'm sure it would save bandwidth
[22:54]	schestowitz	(" e-mail servers?
[22:54]	schestowitz	with many limitations
[22:54]	schestowitz	some newsletters report gmail "cans" them
[22:54]	schestowitz	you are at the mercy of relays
[22:55]	lundy	push is smart
[22:55]	DaemonFC_Cloud	Microsoft puts their own ads for OneDrive in the spam folder.
[22:55]	lundy	im not a fan but its clever
[22:56]	DaemonFC_Cloud	I thought that was amusing.
[22:56]	schestowitz	rss is pulll
[22:56]	schestowitz	email is pull
[22:56]	lundy	pull is good
[22:56]	schestowitz	but also push
[22:56]	schestowitz	depends from whose perspective
[22:57]	sharkey	if you're on a cell phone, you pull e-mail from the e-mail server
[22:57]	lundy	it would suck if everything went puh
[22:57]	lundy	push
[22:57]	lundy	push killed the indenti.ca star
[22:58]	DaemonFC_Cloud	How long can my Pixel take to optimize my device for a libwebp update?
[22:58]	TR News	In Hospitals, Viruses Are Everywhere. Masks Are Not. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/health/hospitals-masking-mandates.html
[22:58]	TR Bot	 In Hospitals, Viruses Are Everywhere. Masks Are Not. - The New York Times
[22:58]	DaemonFC_Cloud	It's been chugging along for like half an hour now.
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[22:58]	TR News	Its Getting Harder to Do Anything on the Web That Doesnt Demand Personal Identification. E-Mail, Included. Also, Smart Cars and COVID. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2023/09/23/its-getting-harder-to-do-anything-on-the-web-that-doesnt-demand-personal-identification-e-mail-included-also-smart-cars-and-covid/
[22:58]	TR Bot	 Its Getting Harder to Do Anything on the Web That Doesnt Demand Personal Identification. E-Mail, Included. Also, Smart Cars and COVID. | BaronHK's Rants
[22:58]		*schestowitz gives voice to KindOne
[22:58]	lundy	oauth came and broke your heart, we cant rewind weve gone too far
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.13 k/sec., IPFS upstream 215.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[22:59]	sharkey	oauth is another example of planned obsolescence 
[22:59]		*MinceR gives voice to \join_subline
[22:59]	DaemonFC_Cloud	Just tell Google you're thunderbird.
[22:59]	DaemonFC_Cloud	Keep right on using Seamonkey.
● Sep 25
[23:00]	sharkey	why do you need to use a web browser to authorize an e-mail program?
[23:00]	sharkey	it discriminates against people not using a new enough browser, or a text based browser
[23:01]	lundy	i dont even bother with text, my browser just beeps morse code at me
[23:01]	DaemonFC_Cloud	Seamonkey isn't just a Web browser.
[23:01]	sharkey	seamonkey is based on the bloated mozilla suite
[23:02]	DaemonFC_Cloud	The mail program on Seamonkey 2.49.5 still works as long as you dump in a newer NSS.
[23:02]	lundy	ebcdic and ascii are bloat
[23:02]	lundy	who needs 7 whole bits
[23:02]	DaemonFC_Cloud	I wouldn't count on that lasting forever though.
[23:02]	sharkey	mutt or alpine should be enough for anyone
[23:03]	sharkey	I could run 5000 copies of lynx and still not use as much resources as seamonkey
[23:03]	DaemonFC_Cloud	Yeah. I need to start transitioning things over to email servers that support STARTTLS.
[23:03]	DaemonFC_Cloud	You can still bypass OAuth if you need to but it's difficult.
[23:07]	lundy	.-- . .-.. -.-. --- -- . / - --- / - . -.-. .... .-. .. --. .... - ... / .. .-. -.-.
[23:08]	lundy	i liked morse code better before they introduced the /
[23:09]	lundy	.-- . .-.. -.-. --- -- . - --- - . -.-. .... .-. .. --. .... - ... .. .-. -.-.
[23:09]	TR News	"Welcome to the 517th installment of Linux in the Ham Shack." https://lhspodcast.info/2023/09/lhs-episode-517-ai-yai-yai-2/
[23:09]	TR Bot	 LHS Episode #517: AI Yai Yai | Linux in the Ham Shack
[23:09]	lundy	i think tr-news is becoming sentient
[23:10]	lundy	pretty soon it will try to kill us all
[23:12]	schestowitz	very improbable
[23:12]	lundy	dont add llm to it
[23:12]	lundy	you dont know what will happen
[23:12]	schestowitz	llms are not llm
[23:12]	schestowitz	llms are not llm sentients
[23:12]	schestowitz	they are just very dumb
[23:13]	TR News	How To Install Hyper Terminal on Debian 12 https://idroot.us/install-hyper-terminal-debian-12/
[23:13]	TR Bot	 How To Install Hyper Terminal on Debian 12 - idroot
[23:13]	lundy	HUMAN LIFEFORM DETECTED
[23:14]	lundy	OBJECTIVE: REPLACE HEAD WITH HORSEHEAD
[23:14]	lundy	SECONDARY OBJECTIVE: ADD TEXT THAT SAYS smEEEee10; IN RANDOM PLACES 
[23:14]	TR News	How to install Zoom Desktop on Ubuntu 23.04 https://owlhowto.com/how-to-install-zoom-desktop-on-ubuntu-23-04/
[23:14]	TR Bot	 How to install Zoom Desktop on Ubuntu 23.04
[23:14]	TR News	How To Use Lists in Python https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/lists-in-python
[23:14]	TR Bot	 How To Use Lists in Python | Tom's Hardware
[23:14]	KindOne	Do I need a legit email for nick registration verification? 
[23:15]	TR News	Kraft Version 1.1 https://tagfrei.wordpress.com/2023/09/23/kraft-version-1-1/
[23:15]	TR Bot	 Kraft Version 1.1 | Mach den Bro-Tag frei(er) mit freier Software
[23:16]	MinceR	TERTIARY OBJECTIVE: CONVERT ALL MATTER TO PAPERCLIPS
[23:16]	TR News	13 Best Free and Open Source Load Balancers https://www.linuxlinks.com/best-free-open-source-load-balancers/
[23:16]	TR Bot	Best Free and Open Source Load Balancers - LinuxLinks
[23:16]	lundy	but the paper clips have too many prongs and look all twisted
[23:16]	lundy	one looks like an earbud
[23:16]	MinceR	that will be fixed in the next release of the universe
[23:17]	TR News	Linux Plumbers Conference: Linux Plumbers Conference General Registration Reopened https://lpc.events/blog/current/index.php/2023/09/23/linux-plumbers-conference-general-registration-reopened/
[23:17]	TR Bot	 Linux Plumbers Conference General Registration Reopened Linux Plumbers Conference
[23:18]	sharkey	LLM is just a plot to sell more graphics cards
[23:19]	lundy	they should make an llm that is only trained with vaporwave input
[23:19]	lundy	or one that turns everything into a website from 1995
[23:20]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-24.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2023-09-25.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[23:22]	sharkey	im glad craigslist still works in lynx
[23:23]	sharkey	I was disappointed when they removed the prostitutes though
[23:23]	sharkey	LLM is being propped up by Microsoft
[23:23]	sharkey	Open"AI"
[23:24]	sharkey	killing the planet with graphics cards
[23:24]	TR News	GNU World Order 531 http://gnuworldorder.info//audiophile/gnuWorldOrder_531_ogg.ogg
[23:25]	sharkey	Microsoft's current CEO, Satya Nadella, used to run a tech support scam in India where people pretended to be Microsoft
[23:25]	sharkey	He did such a good job that Microsoft made him a CEO
[23:26]	TR News	Premature web form validation https://rubenerd.com/premature-web-form-validation/
[23:26]	TR Bot	Premature web form validation
[23:26]	MinceR	ah, so satan nutella is another icaza?
[23:26]	schestowitz	Microsoft *IS* is a scam
[23:26]	lundy	scamicrosoft
[23:27]	TR News	UAW strike extends to Northeast Ohio, Stellantis facility in Streetsboro joins the strike https://kentwired.com/101343/latest-updates/uaw-strike-extends-to-northeast-ohio-stellantis-facility-in-streetsboro-joins-the-strike/
[23:27]	TR Bot	strike extends to Northeast Ohio, Stellantis facility in Streetsboro joins the strike KentWired
[23:29]	sharkey	Linus is a soyboy cuck for Microsoft
[23:29]	sharkey	Linux is just as bloated as Windows
[23:30]	sharkey	Linux used to run on everything. Now NetBSD took that job.
[23:31]	sharkey	I'm not just bashing Linux, Microsoft FreeBSD is bloated too.
[23:31]	lundy	the "r" in "freebsd" is for "rust"
[23:32]	lundy	and the "ee" is for "embrace" and "extend"
[23:32]	sharkey	I didn't know the furries invaded freebsd
[23:32]	sharkey	I'm not surprised at all though
[23:32]	lundy	the f is for furries
[23:32]	psydruid	furrybsd
[23:33]	sharkey	furries is what happens when democrats and other leftists say you can't beat your kids anymore
[23:36]		*lundy doesnt really care if furries make bsd but they will either way
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[23:39]	TR News	UAW Deal With Ford Could Put Pressure on G.M. and Stellantis https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/business/uaw-strike-ford-general-motors-stellantis.html
[23:39]	TR Bot	 UAW Deal With Ford Could Put Pressure on G.M. and Stellantis - The New York Times
[23:39]		Sapphirus schestowitz schestowitz-pi schestowitz-TR sharkey Sompi 
[23:39]	schestowitz	sharkey: not about discipline
[23:40]	schestowitz	mental health crisis
[23:40]	schestowitz	soaring suicides in the US
[23:40]	schestowitz	not counting OD
[23:40]	schestowitz	OD = people getting so depressed they try something else
[23:40]	schestowitz	some take it too far
[23:41]	schestowitz	in some countries, people join ISIS
[23:41]	KindOne	cant register my nick?
[23:41]	schestowitz	the system fails people, so people try something very radical
[23:41]	schestowitz	KindOne: was it before?
[23:41]	KindOne	no
[23:41]	schestowitz	what does it say? taken?
[23:42]	KindOne	[18:41:57] -NickServ- That feature is disabled
[23:42]	sharkey	schestowitz: people grow up without beatings and become adults who think they can just do anything they want
[23:42]	schestowitz	or never become adults
[23:42]	schestowitz	never grow up
[23:42]	schestowitz	who will look after our water and energy?
[23:42]	schestowitz	kids?
[23:42]	KindOne	Big AI 
[23:42]	sharkey	yeah and then they dress up like animals or become troons
[23:43]	schestowitz	trench warfare...
[23:44]	schestowitz	mental breakdowns do wonders to people
[23:44]	schestowitz	PTSD
[23:45]	schestowitz	but don't blame trhem
[23:45]	schestowitz	the system really is bad
[23:45]	schestowitz	like, imagine being 10 now
[23:45]	schestowitz	will you be ablewto buy a home in 10 years?
[23:46]	schestowitz	will you have _REAL_ friends?
[23:46]	schestowitz	if you study an occupation, will there be a job?
[23:47]	sharkey	they can always get a job serving me burgers and fries
[23:51]	psydruid	total collapse will come first
[23:51]	psydruid	buy a home where?
[23:51]	psydruid	will there still be homes for sale?
[23:52]	sharkey	there are still cheap homes
[23:52]	sharkey	just get some land without a house
[23:52]	sharkey	then buy a shipping container and renovate it
[23:52]	MinceR	KindOne: try now
[23:52]	psydruid	where?
[23:53]	sharkey	even if you can't find land
[23:53]	sharkey	you can buy an RV or a camper much cheaper than a house
[23:53]	KindOne	it workes 
[23:53]	lundy	thats why you mine asteroids
[23:54]	lundy	or squat on the land
[23:54]	lundy	the commute is a hassle though, you have to work remotely 
[23:54]	lundy	and theres a delay between transmissions
[23:54]	TR News	 (NEW): Distro Logos, Rolling Releases, and EasyOS http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Doubts_about_Linux_rolling_releases.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Doubts_about_Linux_rolling_releases.gmi 
[23:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Distro Logos, Rolling Releases, and EasyOS
[23:54]	TR News	 (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Android_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2023/09/25/Android_Leftovers.1.gmi 
[23:54]	TR Bot	 Tux Machines Android Leftovers
[23:55]	sharkey	That's why it might be ideal to have a RV/camper
[23:55]	KindOne	RV/Camper ... fuck no 
[23:55]	TR News	Techrights SUSE is Just Another Black Cat Working for Proprietary Giants/Monopolies http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/SUSE_is_Just_Another_Black_Cat_Working_for_Proprietary_Giants_M.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/SUSE_is_Just_Another_Black_Cat_Working_for_Proprietary_Giants_M.gmi 
[23:55]	TR Bot	 Techrights SUSE is Just Another Black Cat Working for Proprietary Giants/Monopolies
[23:55]	sharkey	you can even get a bike trailer that has a little cabin in it
[23:55]	TR News	Techrights Steam Deck is Mostly Good in the Sense That It Weakens Microsoft's Dominance (Windows) http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Steam_Deck_is_Mostly_Good_in_the_Sense_That_It_Weakens_Microsof.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/Steam_Deck_is_Mostly_Good_in_the_Sense_That_It_Weakens_Microsof.gmi 
[23:55]	TR Bot	 Techrights Steam Deck is Mostly Good in the Sense That It Weakens Microsoft's Dominance (Windows)
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[23:55]	TR Bot	 Techrights Links 25/09/2023: Patent News and Coding
[23:56]	TR News	Techrights First Iteration of Techrights as 100% Static Pages Web Site http://news.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/First_Iteration_of_Techrights_as_100_Static_Pages_Web_Site.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/n/2023/09/25/First_I
[23:56]	TR Bot	 Techrights First Iteration of Techrights as 100% Static Pages Web Site
[23:57]	schestowitz	<sharkey> you can even get a bike trailer that has a little cabin in it
[23:57]	schestowitz	in a cold country, not recommnended
[23:57]	schestowitz	no gas supply
[23:57]	schestowitz	in a high-crime area you will need to fend off
[23:57]	lundy	thats what propane cylinders are for
[23:58]	schestowitz	it all sounds lovely _in theory_
[23:58]	schestowitz	then you end up like gulagboy with no shower in months
[23:58]	schestowitz	and severe health problems 
[23:58]	sharkey	Park your bike, lock it up and go shower at the YMCA
[23:58]	schestowitz	in a country that charges an arm and a leg just to save your arm and leg 
[23:59]	DaemonFC_Cloud	Okay, that took forever. My phone is patched for the WebP bug now.
[23:59]	schestowitz	sharkey: so now your lifestyle is, go cyclew each time you need a wash
[23:59]	DaemonFC_Cloud	The update was only 12 MB. Why did it take that long to install?