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| scientes | why does surfing the internet require 16GB of ram these days? | Oct 25 04:24 |
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| Tom-_ | javascript at least a little i guess | Oct 25 04:26 |
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| scientes | bloatJS | Oct 25 04:38 |
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| jagadees | is there any good non-javascript CMS? | Oct 25 05:41 |
| superkuh | The filesystem. | Oct 25 06:23 |
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| MinceR | javascript, DOM, CSS | Oct 25 06:58 |
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| chomwitt | gnome wants help | Oct 25 08:38 |
| chomwitt | one moment to pull another knife from rms's back and i am on to it | Oct 25 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | ha | Oct 25 08:43 |
| schestowitz | to be fair, it's about shotwell | Oct 25 08:43 |
| schestowitz | and it's free software | Oct 25 08:43 |
| schestowitz | [05:41] <jagadees> is there any good non-javascript CMS? | Oct 25 08:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe ghost | Oct 25 08:44 |
| schestowitz | maybe those static page CMS | Oct 25 08:44 |
| schestowitz | there's a few gnu linux bloggers moving from wordpress to hug | Oct 25 08:45 |
| schestowitz | https://gohugo.io/ | Oct 25 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gohugo.io | The world’s fastest framework for building websites | Hugo | Oct 25 08:45 | |
| schestowitz | hugo I meant, typo | Oct 25 08:45 |
| schestowitz | Jekyll is the other popular one | Oct 25 08:45 |
| schestowitz | https://jekyllrb.com/ | Oct 25 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jekyllrb.com | Jekyll • Simple, blog-aware, static sites | Transform your plain text into static websites and blogs | Oct 25 08:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Github Pages are powered by Jekyll, making it a popular choice for developer blogs and project pages. If you're starting a new project, the fastest route to publishing on a Jekyll website with Netlify CMS is to deploy a template on Netlify." | Oct 25 08:45 |
| schestowitz | shithub | Oct 25 08:46 |
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| schestowitz | hmmm... won't be seeing that then | Oct 25 08:47 |
| schestowitz | will mail him | Oct 25 08:47 |
| schestowitz | while offline | Oct 25 08:47 |
| MinceR | not sure why i'd bother | Oct 25 08:50 |
| MinceR | they've killed GNU and Linux already | Oct 25 08:50 |
| MinceR | and the SJWs are still swarming around the community | Oct 25 08:50 |
| MinceR | might as well go underground | Oct 25 08:50 |
| *chomwitt checking hug | Oct 25 08:50 | |
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| chomwitt | https://www.boholnewsdaily.com/my-encounter-with-richard-stallman.html | Oct 25 08:55 |
| chomwitt | a human approach | Oct 25 08:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.boholnewsdaily.com | My Encounter with Richard Stallman | Bohol News Daily | Oct 25 08:55 | |
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| schestowitz | jagadees: mailed you | Oct 25 09:34 |
| schestowitz | missing irc bits | Oct 25 09:34 |
| jagadees | oh thank | Oct 25 09:35 |
| jagadees | let me check | Oct 25 09:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1187646484231131136 | Oct 25 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Microsoft still engages in the sort of patent blackmail it reportedly made like 10 billion dollars from https://t.co/OTsHED5XUI | Oct 25 09:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft is Complaining About Android and Chrome OS (GNU/Linux) Vendor Not Paying for Microsoft Patents (Updated) | Techrights | Oct 25 09:37 | |
| jagadees | i have 20k post now. and daily 10 posts are getting added. | Oct 25 09:37 |
| jagadees | so static site is that a good choice? | Oct 25 09:37 |
| schestowitz | long answer, I think, depending on the site | Oct 25 09:39 |
| jagadees | another post i sent | Oct 25 09:42 |
| schestowitz | i will check mail next in about 16 hours | Oct 25 09:48 |
| schestowitz | unless there is something very urgent | Oct 25 09:48 |
| schestowitz | or time-sensitive | Oct 25 09:48 |
| jagadees | not urget | Oct 25 09:48 |
| jagadees | take your time | Oct 25 09:48 |
| jagadees | a less important joke. | Oct 25 09:48 |
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| zoobab | if you have time, there are all the amicus briefs on EPO G1/19 to read | Oct 25 15:36 |
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| scientes | my god, news in the US has gone way down-hill | Oct 25 16:15 |
| scientes | its almost entirely scape-goating these days | Oct 25 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | They saw Russian channels and said "we want some of that" | Oct 25 16:17 |
| scientes | the education secretary also just resigned over the need for a jubilee | Oct 25 16:18 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: an anniversary? | Oct 25 16:19 |
| scientes | XRevan86, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(biblical) | Oct 25 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jubilee (biblical) - Wikipedia | Oct 25 16:20 | |
| scientes | forgiveness of all debts | Oct 25 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: huh | Oct 25 16:22 |
| scientes | correction: US politics is entirely scape-goating | Oct 25 16:25 |
| scientes | EU politics is bad, but its not THAT bad | Oct 25 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | Russian politics is THAT bad | Oct 25 16:26 |
| scientes | Russian politics is so different | Oct 25 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You're seeing stuff from independent news sources and news sources targeted at foreigners. | Oct 25 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Local television is very different from that. | Oct 25 16:29 |
| scientes | the badness is different | Oct 25 16:29 |
| scientes | I get the feeling Russian news assumes that its viewers dont know anything about the outside world | Oct 25 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | When switching a TV on into a news channel, odds are you're hear something about Ukraine. | Oct 25 16:30 |
| scientes | it results in people thinking the US has the roads paved in gold | Oct 25 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | It's become a meme ("чё там у хохлов?"), and it's true | Oct 25 16:30 |
| scientes | well yeah, they constantly say that Ukraine is all nazis | Oct 25 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | more importantly, they try to ignore big internal news | Oct 25 16:31 |
| XRevan86 | when they don't support their ideology bubble, which is almost all news | Oct 25 16:32 |
| scientes | us propaganda is much more sophisticated | Oct 25 16:33 |
| scientes | instead of ignoring the dissidents it tries to make their views incoherant | Oct 25 16:34 |
| scientes | and stir passions | Oct 25 16:34 |
| XRevan86 | > it results in people thinking the US has the roads paved in gold | Oct 25 16:34 |
| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/HE1TOhrlQmQ?t=180 | Oct 25 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ШИЕС. ИТОГИ ДНЯ. - YouTube | Oct 25 16:34 | |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Russian media tries to paint opposition as Nazis and stuff. The only difference is that it works less and less effectively by the day. | Oct 25 16:35 |
| XRevan86 | Even the older generation lost trust in the government. | Oct 25 16:36 |
| scientes | like I was just told to stop saying that South America is cheaper | Oct 25 16:37 |
| scientes | so by encouraging passions it leads to people not being able to differentiate profit and corruption | Oct 25 16:37 |
| scientes | that requires an understanding of money | Oct 25 16:37 |
| XRevan86 | It's economy 101 that regions with richer economies are more expensive to live in. | Oct 25 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | It's much cheaper to live in Novosibirsk than in Moscow. | Oct 25 16:38 |
| scientes | but cell phone service is the same cost | Oct 25 16:38 |
| scientes | commodities are the same price everywhere (as long as transportation is cheap) | Oct 25 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | but salaries are smaller too, way smaller | Oct 25 16:39 |
| scientes | I'm sick and tired of that argument | Oct 25 16:39 |
| scientes | its kinda bullshit | Oct 25 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Which argument? | Oct 25 16:39 |
| scientes | its only the rip-off of capitalism that makes that so | Oct 25 16:39 |
| scientes | while richer places might have higher societal expectations, that is not a reason for bread to cost more in those places | Oct 25 16:40 |
| XRevan86 | With different economy types different rules apply, sure. Also there are different factors that can change prices. | Oct 25 16:41 |
| scientes | that is just graft | Oct 25 16:41 |
| XRevan86 | Russia is more expensive than most other countries of similair (also capitalist) economical development. | Oct 25 16:41 |
| scientes | XRevan86, in the US it is economy 101 that homelessness is proportional to the developedness of the economy | Oct 25 16:41 |
| scientes | san francisco especially has insane homelessness levels | Oct 25 16:41 |
| scientes | its just a bunch of drugged-out drifters walking around | Oct 25 16:42 |
| scientes | anyways, being back in the US feels like brain damage | Oct 25 16:44 |
| scientes | or that the people in this country are brain-damaged | Oct 25 16:44 |
| XRevan86 | According to stats, St. Petersburg had around 60 thousand homeless in 2018: https://lenta.ru/news/2018/03/27/homeless/ | Oct 25 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-В Петербурге посчитали бездомных: Общество: Россия: Lenta.ru | Oct 25 16:45 | |
| scientes | wouldn't they freeze to death in winter? | Oct 25 16:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Warm clothing is not rare in these parts | Oct 25 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | https://sf.curbed.com/2019/7/8/20686653/san-francisco-sf-homeless-count-number-population-2019 9700? That's it? | Oct 25 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sf.curbed.com | San Francisco homeless 2019 count reaches more than 9,700 - Curbed SF | Oct 25 16:47 | |
| XRevan86 | I wonder how many of those 60 000 are on a social pension. | Oct 25 16:48 |
| scientes | XRevan86, those numbers are always fake | Oct 25 16:54 |
| scientes | seattle has a massive encampment | Oct 25 16:54 |
| scientes | a tent city | Oct 25 16:54 |
| scientes | oakland too | Oct 25 16:55 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Ship_warehouse_fire | Oct 25 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ghost Ship warehouse fire - Wikipedia | Oct 25 16:56 | |
| scientes | more scape-goating in that article | Oct 25 16:57 |
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| scientes | the US is sooooo depressing | Oct 25 18:36 |
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| vortigrex | 15:40 < scientes> while richer places might have higher societal expectations, that is not a reason for bread to cost more in those places | Oct 25 19:27 |
| vortigrex | higher salaries mean bread is more expensive to produce and ship | Oct 25 19:27 |
| vortigrex | oops, i might as well use my normal client as i'm home | Oct 25 19:28 |
| MinceR | this one:) | Oct 25 19:28 |
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| scientes | vortigrex, well at least not rice and beans | Oct 25 19:34 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure the same applies to rice and beans as well :> | Oct 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | then again, those are easier to ship in from abroad | Oct 25 19:39 |
| MinceR | and then only part of the shipping and handling costs will be affected | Oct 25 19:39 |
| scientes | well, I felt that Enraged people get to pull the water wagon. | Oct 25 19:40 |
| scientes | so I didn't correct him | Oct 25 19:40 |
| scientes | as to the main cost in bread | Oct 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 25 19:40 |
| scientes | which is spoilage | Oct 25 19:40 |
| MinceR | i'm vortigrex, it's just that my router decided that port forwarding is for chumps | Oct 25 19:40 |
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| MinceR | so i couldn't reach the home server from the office | Oct 25 19:41 |
| MinceR | and i haven't really moved to my VPS yet... | Oct 25 19:41 |
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| alextee[m] | hi, can someone link me to something that summarizes what's wrong with SUSE? | Oct 25 19:43 |
| schestowitz | in 2019? | Oct 25 19:44 |
| schestowitz | suse the company? | Oct 25 19:44 |
| alextee[m] | idk, i guess openSUSE? reading this http://techrights.org/about/ | Oct 25 19:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Boycott? | Techrights | Oct 25 19:45 | |
| alextee[m] | says do not promote SUSE products | Oct 25 19:45 |
| MinceR | afaik there's both a suse and an "open"suse | Oct 25 19:45 |
| schestowitz | distro and a company | Oct 25 19:46 |
| MinceR | novell/suse sold the community (including their own customers) out to microsoft in support of microsoft's patent FUD campaign against Linux | Oct 25 19:46 |
| alextee[m] | oh | Oct 25 19:46 |
| schestowitz | the question would be easier to answer... | Oct 25 19:47 |
| schestowitz | if made narrower | Oct 25 19:47 |
| XRevan86 | openSUSE considers a rename, to distance itself from SUSE as one of the rationals. | Oct 25 19:48 |
| MinceR | i wonder how honest that is | Oct 25 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | * rationales | Oct 25 19:49 |
| MinceR | considering microsoft's renaming campaigns :> | Oct 25 19:49 |
| schestowitz | different name, same people | Oct 25 19:49 |
| alextee[m] | i see, i just saw SUSE and immediately wondered what's wrong with openSUSE. so openSUSE is a community fork of what SUSE was making | Oct 25 19:49 |
| schestowitz | like the people who reigned over it in 2006 | Oct 25 19:49 |
| schestowitz | but tbh opensuse is more benign now | Oct 25 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | alextee[m]: The relationship is complex. It's not a fork. | Oct 25 19:50 |
| schestowitz | it has only bent over to microsoft as much as ubuntu did | Oct 25 19:50 |
| MinceR | which is pretty damn far | Oct 25 19:51 |
| MinceR | canonical being one of the two corporations to pay microsoft to sign their bootloader stub for them, afaik | Oct 25 19:51 |
| MinceR | redhat being the other | Oct 25 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | SUSE makes SUSE Enterprise Linux on top of a branch of openSUSE Tumbleweed (like Ubuntu branches off Debian testing/unstable), openSUSE Leap is based on SUSE Enterprise Linux. | Oct 25 19:51 |
| alextee[m] | i see | Oct 25 19:53 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board | Oct 25 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.opensuse.org | openSUSE:Board - openSUSE Wiki | Oct 25 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | some chiefs left recently | Oct 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | not necessarily a good thing | Oct 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | SUSE CEO is now a SAP puppet | Oct 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | the previous one at least knew gnu linux | Oct 25 19:54 |
| schestowitz | also the chief of opensuse left | Oct 25 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | So SUSE and openSUSE are kinda two different teams that are heavily co-dependent. | Oct 25 19:55 |
| schestowitz | a german man replaced this brit iitc | Oct 25 19:55 |
| schestowitz | iirc | Oct 25 19:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/ | Oct 25 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an ‘Asset’ of SAP (‘German Microsoft’), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | Techrights | Oct 25 19:55 | |
| XRevan86 | Is SAP the bloated crap used for accounting? | Oct 25 19:56 |
| schestowitz | crm | Oct 25 19:56 |
| schestowitz | inc. finance | Oct 25 19:56 |
| XRevan86 | an international version of 1С, the Russian bloated crap used for accounting | Oct 25 19:56 |
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| chomwitt | interestiing .... Zacchiroli how ask people to help gnome was also a hasty an eager passenger on the lynch bandwagon !!! way to go zach https://twitter.com/hashtag/cancelstallman?src=hash | Oct 25 21:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Search Twitter - #cancelstallman | Oct 25 21:07 | |
| chomwitt | how / who | Oct 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | gnome people | Oct 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | debian also | Oct 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | he was in OSI | Oct 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | OSI people are no mates of FSF | Oct 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | unlike OSI, RMS actually did something about swpats | Oct 25 21:10 |
| chomwitt | i am sick of that behavior. debian project leader .... who the hell rms deserves all that??? | Oct 25 21:12 |
| chomwitt | who/how | Oct 25 21:12 |
| chomwitt | because he cant flirt girls with success?? | Oct 25 21:13 |
| MinceR | the SJWs see the blood in the water | Oct 25 21:13 |
| chomwitt | are we serious?? | Oct 25 21:13 |
| MinceR | also, how better to elevate oneself than by putting someone else down | Oct 25 21:13 |
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| MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/13/1ccd82acfc9c8a5f.mp4 | Oct 25 21:19 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/632775.jpg | Oct 25 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | so Hungary [sic] you could eat a tiger | Oct 25 21:28 |
| MinceR | why not a Turkey? | Oct 25 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: the turkey ran to iceland | Oct 25 21:32 |
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| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/9Vmwsg8Eabo there's an actual concrete answer at the end | Oct 25 21:54 |
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| XRevan86 | Thanks, science. Now I know police torture is not just brutal, but also not as efficient as it could have been. | Oct 25 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | Probing one's arse with an iron? Bah! | Oct 25 21:57 |
| chomwitt | a common thread that i found among garret who jumped first on the rms lynch bandwagon and some who were part of the rms twitter cancelling is the push of the ethical licensing | Oct 25 21:57 |
| MinceR | is that some sort of nonfree bullshit? | Oct 25 21:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yes | Oct 25 21:58 |
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| MinceR | crybullies doing m$'s work for m$, as usual | Oct 25 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | Imagine people naïve enough to think that they can use courts to exclude bad guys from the user base. | Oct 25 21:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 25 21:59 |
| chomwitt | well it is little oxymoron / selfcontradictive to speak of ethics being part or a interent lynchinh mob but that i guess didnt cross someone mind | Oct 25 22:00 |
| MinceR | such things can't cross SJW minds since a while ago | Oct 25 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | Okay, ICE, you're accused of being literally Hitler and hereby unlicensed to use the software, how do you plead? | Oct 25 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | - Don't mess with us, your honour, just name your price. | Oct 25 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | chomwitt: The idea is simple: bad unethical guys can use free software written by one, like ICE or Sibzoloto, completely legally. | Oct 25 22:03 |
| chomwitt | an example https://github.com/raisely/NoHarm | Oct 25 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - raisely/NoHarm: Do No Harm software license - A licence for using software for good | Oct 25 22:03 | |
| XRevan86 | "open source code" – except OSI won't approve that as open source. | Oct 25 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | Where are those who say that "open source" should not be used in a proprietary source-available context? | Oct 25 22:05 |
| psydroid | I am wondering how far gone M$ really is and why no company is trying to deal them the final death blow they deserve | Oct 25 22:05 |
| scientes | my god | Oct 25 22:06 |
| scientes | the brain damage | Oct 25 22:06 |
| scientes | those that prohibit such things are the very people that do them | Oct 25 22:06 |
| scientes | this has always been obvious | Oct 25 22:06 |
| chomwitt | https://subfictional.com/open-source-licenses-and-the-ethical-use-of-software/ the author was also proud twitter of the cancelstallman tag | Oct 25 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Open Source Licenses and the Ethical Use of Software – Subfictional Studios | Oct 25 22:06 | |
| scientes | HAHAHAHAHAHAA | Oct 25 22:06 |
| scientes | > | Oct 25 22:06 |
| scientes | violence, hate and division, | Oct 25 22:06 |
| scientes | I think the license itsself violates itsself | Oct 25 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | And the fatal problem is pretty straightforward too: it is impossible to make it work. It's either too broad so that it will be abused, or it's too narrow and ineffective. | Oct 25 22:07 |
| scientes | > | Oct 25 22:07 |
| scientes | As software developers, we engineer the infrastructure of the 21st century. | Oct 25 22:07 |
| scientes | what arrogance | Oct 25 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | "environmental destruction" – like those darn meat-eatesr. | Oct 25 22:07 |
| scientes | they are drinking the cool-aid of the failing empite | Oct 25 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | meat-eaters | Oct 25 22:07 |
| chomwitt | ICE ? | Oct 25 22:08 |
| alextee[m] | "Software is a form of intellectual property (IP)" oh god wait till rms hears this | Oct 25 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | chomwitt: A US immigration agency | Oct 25 22:08 |
| scientes | > adversely addictive behaviours | Oct 25 22:08 |
| scientes | hahahahaha | Oct 25 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | "slavery" – like marriage | Oct 25 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | "burning of forests" – like shaving | Oct 25 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | "deforestation" – a separate bullet, huh | Oct 25 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | "nuclear energy" – like sunlight | Oct 25 22:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 25 22:10 |
| scientes | XRevan86, good one with the sunlight thing | Oct 25 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | "adversely addictive behaviours" – like friendship | Oct 25 22:11 |
| chomwitt | the noharm license seemingly is being promoted by a fundraising know how company? | Oct 25 22:12 |
| scientes | "derives a majority of income" | Oct 25 22:13 |
| scientes | well, the electricity is produced by nuclear power | Oct 25 22:13 |
| scientes | hence the main problem of idiots that are anti-nuclear because they don't understand it | Oct 25 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not all electricity. There's also good old coal | Oct 25 22:14 |
| scientes | unless you are in France | Oct 25 22:14 |
| scientes | XRevan86, also the "good" coal is all burned | Oct 25 22:14 |
| scientes | its more like "good bad coal" | Oct 25 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not in Russia | Oct 25 22:15 |
| scientes | ahhh, only country with wuality coal left | Oct 25 22:15 |
| XRevan86 | the effects on the environment from coal-burning is impressive | Oct 25 22:15 |
| scientes | where "quality" is relative | Oct 25 22:15 |
| XRevan86 | > "lobbies against, or derives a majority of income from actions that discourage or frustrate": "peace" | Oct 25 22:16 |
| scientes | hehe | Oct 25 22:16 |
| chomwitt | https://hackernoon.com/6-myths-about-ethical-open-source-licenses-3bfbd042b1dc | Oct 25 22:16 |
| XRevan86 | Don't speak out against anyone now, it might provoke a war. | Oct 25 22:16 |
| scientes | https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/9/130906-twilight-strip-mine-cemetery-west-virginia/ | Oct 25 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | 6 myths about “ethical” open source licenses - By | Oct 25 22:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationalgeographic.com | Inside the Battle Over a Strip-Mine Cemetery | Oct 25 22:16 | |
| chomwitt | they argue that the point was never enforcement but just to spread an idea | Oct 25 22:17 |
| scientes | stupid idea if you ask me | Oct 25 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | chomwitt: So to spark another controversy for no real reason | Oct 25 22:17 |
| scientes | I should write the "deliberately and gratuitously incompatible license" | Oct 25 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | And isn't that Internet violence? %) | Oct 25 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | (which doesn't protect public safety) | Oct 25 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | To me it's just a false promise. | Oct 25 22:20 |
| scientes | ^^^^^ | Oct 25 22:21 |
| scientes | binbgo | Oct 25 22:21 |
| scientes | the center of the problem with it | Oct 25 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | Writing legal documents with account for legal rights of space aliens is more realistic than this. | Oct 25 22:22 |
| scientes | that would be interesting | Oct 25 22:22 |
| scientes | what if your license prohibited the discrimination against space aliens? | Oct 25 22:23 |
| scientes | or its use by extraterrestial life? | Oct 25 22:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In a prequel to Mars Attacks (: | Oct 25 22:24 |
| XRevan86 | This Do No Harm licence could be a joke, because it's even less coherent than other "ethical licences" that I've seen. | Oct 25 22:25 |
| XRevan86 | It doesn't try even slightly to elaborate. Did the authors ever see even one legal document and wonder why they're written in a language they're written in? | Oct 25 22:26 |
| superkuh | For anything I do I prefer WTFPL. | Oct 25 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | Or see at least one ISO standard | Oct 25 22:26 |
| XRevan86 | (Intentional) Misunderstanding is fatal, and guess who will do the understanding – the government | Oct 25 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | What's more likely: | Oct 25 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | 1. The Russian supreme court rules that Putin's cronies are not allowed to use NoHarm software. | Oct 25 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | 2. The Russian supreme court rules that Navalny is not allowed to use NoHarm software. | Oct 25 22:30 |
| psydroid | I agree, it is time for space age licenses | Oct 25 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | "Ethical licences" are not actually in control. | Oct 25 22:31 |
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| XRevan86 | they just give more excuses to the rich to exclude whomever the heck they want | Oct 25 22:31 |
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| XRevan86 | Great Social Justice there, not ironic at all. | Oct 25 22:32 |
| scientes | bingo | Oct 25 22:32 |
| scientes | https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/ | Oct 25 22:34 |
| scientes | https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/ | Oct 25 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cs.auckland.ac.nz | Peter Gutmann's Home Page | Oct 25 22:34 | |
| scientes | Disclaimer | Oct 25 22:34 |
| scientes | Any opinions expressed on this page are not in fact mine but were forced on me at gunpoint by the University of Auckland. | Oct 25 22:34 |
| scientes | hehehehee | Oct 25 22:34 |
| scientes | fighting back against the stupid | Oct 25 22:34 |
| chomwitt | wow. stefano zacchiroli is founder and cto of https://www.softwareheritage.org/# and guess who is paying him mostly .. | Oct 25 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softwareheritage.org | Software Heritage | Oct 25 22:35 | |
| chomwitt | so i guess in a while i wouldnt be suprised if we see 'revolving doors' in debian , fsfe etc | Oct 25 22:36 |
| scientes | "software heritage" | Oct 25 22:38 |
| chomwitt | i wonder, is zacc one of those who also dont think that ms is the great bully, if yes should he be happy after rms visiting ms for first time ever ? | Oct 25 22:39 |
| chomwitt | should/shouldnt | Oct 25 22:39 |
| chomwitt | and the more fun part is to read the text under the ms sponsor | Oct 25 22:40 |
| chomwitt | whenever i think about that rms ms visit i try hard to supress some consiracy nerv-circuits in my brain... | Oct 25 22:41 |
| chomwitt | i say that cause when i saw rms in ms 05/09 and after one week the lynching starts i crossed my mind .. what the ... has rms also sold his soul? | Oct 25 22:44 |
| chomwitt | 'the non enforcment part of the ethical licensing seems to me as wishfull thinking of big corporations. | Oct 25 22:45 |
| MinceR | he already sold it, as his comment on systemd indicates | Oct 25 22:52 |
| chomwitt | MinceR: do u have a link ? | Oct 25 22:53 |
| MinceR | https://www.mail-archive.com/dng@lists.dyne.org/msg01743.html | Oct 25 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mail-archive.com | [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet | Oct 25 22:55 | |
| chomwitt | thanks | Oct 25 23:00 |
| MinceR | nm | Oct 25 23:02 |
| MinceR | s/m/p/ | Oct 25 23:02 |
| chomwitt | i've read it. | Oct 25 23:03 |
| chomwitt | interestingly and maybe another of lifes ironies, in that thread zacchiroli found rms brilliant !! | Oct 25 23:04 |
| chomwitt | but MinceR i woudlnt be convinced by that statement that he sold his soul :-) | Oct 25 23:05 |
| MinceR | i was | Oct 25 23:06 |
| MinceR | and still am | Oct 25 23:06 |
| chomwitt | any more arguments? | Oct 25 23:07 |
| chomwitt | happy to listen | Oct 25 23:08 |
| MinceR | also consider how they define free software | Oct 25 23:10 |
| MinceR | https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html | Oct 25 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Oct 25 23:11 | |
| MinceR | >“Free software” means software that respects users' freedom and community. | Oct 25 23:11 |
| MinceR | systemd is the opposite of this | Oct 25 23:11 |
| MinceR | it exists solely to take users' freedom away | Oct 25 23:12 |
| chomwitt | sorry is that your main argument? i dont have problem discussing it, but i mean as far as the issue of rms selling his soul i'd be convinced if fsf had google or ms as sponsor... | Oct 25 23:14 |
| chomwitt | anyway systemd looks interesting | Oct 25 23:14 |
| chomwitt | as i got it , it's licensed as freesoftware | Oct 25 23:14 |
| chomwitt | but the way is pushed fordward is creating indeed serious issues | Oct 25 23:15 |
| MinceR | yes it is | Oct 25 23:15 |
| chomwitt | thats way in my vps server i tried hard to find a devuan hosting compant | Oct 25 23:15 |
| MinceR | as patent traps showed us, licensing isn't everything | Oct 25 23:15 |
| chomwitt | thats why | Oct 25 23:15 |
| MinceR | i know of one devuan hosting company | Oct 25 23:15 |
| chomwitt | i've found two and one in greece | Oct 25 23:16 |
| chomwitt | anyway i'll go to sleep in a while. but i aggree that systemd raises issues that i think are so diffucult to solve by a license as ethical licenses can solve any problem they promise to . | Oct 25 23:17 |
| chomwitt | i mean some things can be solved maybe, | Oct 25 23:18 |
| chomwitt | power structures and money can push a free software in a way that diminishes or pushes out other software | Oct 25 23:18 |
| chomwitt | can a license prevent this | Oct 25 23:19 |
| chomwitt | well fsf has as patron even redhat | Oct 25 23:22 |
| chomwitt | https://www.fsf.org/patrons/fy2018 | Oct 25 23:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF patrons during fiscal year 2018 — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Oct 25 23:23 | |
| chomwitt | so it very plausible scenario that the resignation has relation with funding birdies finding a more cosy nest :-) | Oct 25 23:24 |
| MinceR | might as well give microshit the We Don't Care Anymore Award | Oct 25 23:24 |
| chomwitt | well anyway that sponsor thing is an indication that definately you dont have a community anymore | Oct 25 23:25 |
| chomwitt | but i'd like to see that in the light of the events unfolding as an alarm bell that should make all of us thing how really the libre community should go forward (not refering to that inclusion crap) | Oct 25 23:26 |
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| chomwitt | i mean even rms should take a look at it. is he free if he is tied by fearing that people in fsf would loose theirs income or jobs | Oct 25 23:28 |
| chomwitt | in a way that is logical if you live in the modern world | Oct 25 23:28 |
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| scientes | blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, | Oct 25 23:29 |
| chomwitt | blah.. | Oct 25 23:30 |
| chomwitt | wow. google indeed gave 50000 in 2013 | Oct 25 23:31 |
| chomwitt | in fsf | Oct 25 23:31 |
| scientes | GPLv3 was big for them | Oct 25 23:31 |
| scientes | and they got what they wanted | Oct 25 23:31 |
| scientes | and the chromebook very much follows the gplv3 | Oct 25 23:32 |
| chomwitt | and 2014 | Oct 25 23:32 |
| scientes | or at least the early ones did | Oct 25 23:32 |
| chomwitt | and 2015 | Oct 25 23:32 |
| chomwitt | and 2016 | Oct 25 23:32 |
| chomwitt | ..sth brake in 2017 though | Oct 25 23:33 |
| chomwitt | so 200000 are not a sum to look over i think | Oct 25 23:33 |
| scientes | they have a close relationship with the state department | Oct 25 23:34 |
| scientes | so they could just make it 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 if they wanted | Oct 25 23:34 |
| scientes | delivered in cargo plane | Oct 25 23:34 |
| chomwitt | wow. helicopter money | Oct 25 23:34 |
| chomwitt | well as i've highligthed previously money enslaves us all | Oct 25 23:35 |
| scientes | unless it doesn't | Oct 25 23:35 |
| chomwitt | that for my point of view the lesson of rms resignation. | Oct 25 23:35 |
| scientes | (but you have to leave the US to realize that is possible) | Oct 25 23:36 |
| scientes | as those in the US are so brain-washed | Oct 25 23:36 |
| scientes | they are also pretty horrible people, at least the older senile generation | Oct 25 23:36 |
| scientes | or maybe to be clearer | Oct 25 23:36 |
| superkuh | It wouldn't be so bad if societies in general had not adopted fractional reserve banking. | Oct 25 23:36 |
| scientes | the system is powered by gravity, you turn the organization chart upside down | Oct 25 23:36 |
| chomwitt | that and also the lesson that lynchmobing and sponsorhunting are the new core values or the CoC of the nerdless era !!! | Oct 25 23:36 |
| scientes | and those with the worst morals and most greed fall to the bottom | Oct 25 23:37 |
| scientes | superkuh, it doesn't exactly happen that way | Oct 25 23:37 |
| scientes | you don't just "adopt exponential growth" | Oct 25 23:37 |
| scientes | I guess they could also continue the system by killing people at an exponential rate | Oct 25 23:38 |
| chomwitt | one solution is taking money only from persons not corporations. and having an upper limit . would that be viable? | Oct 25 23:39 |
| scientes | what the hell are you talking about | Oct 25 23:41 |
| chomwitt | so i guess the epstein pretext was just an excuse. they just wanted him out and the blackmailed him through his stuff i guess. | Oct 25 23:41 |
| scientes | well yeah, stealing stuff is quite effective | Oct 25 23:41 |
| chomwitt | i'm talkling about how to make a community more robust | Oct 25 23:41 |
| scientes | asset stripping | Oct 25 23:41 |
| scientes | anything that isn't nailed down | Oct 25 23:41 |
| chomwitt | ? | Oct 25 23:41 |
| scientes | I have no idea what you are talking about | Oct 25 23:42 |
| scientes | I have a suspicion no-one cares | Oct 25 23:42 |
| chomwitt | i gave an idea about how a community could become more resilient to pressures | Oct 25 23:42 |
| scientes | that exists | Oct 25 23:43 |
| scientes | in Spain | Oct 25 23:43 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragon | Oct 25 23:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Aragon - Wikipedia | Oct 25 23:43 | |
| chomwitt | so someone cares !! | Oct 25 23:43 |
| chomwitt | rms should pay them a visit | Oct 25 23:44 |
| chomwitt | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation | Oct 25 23:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia | Oct 25 23:46 | |
| scientes | chomwitt, stop thinking about other people | Oct 25 23:46 |
| scientes | there is no el dorado | Oct 25 23:46 |
| chomwitt | you mean ethical eldorado? | Oct 25 23:47 |
| scientes | no | Oct 25 23:47 |
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