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| DaemonFC[m] | If they are just doing plugs, they'll charge a labor hour for that while they're doing it. | Nov 25 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So if they have to come out, there's no reason to put old plugs back in. | Nov 25 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you have to pay a labor hour, do it yourself. | Nov 25 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That labor hour is $100 or more. | Nov 25 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson: Perversely, I noticed that going to an actual mechanic for an oil change is often way cheaper than an oil change shop that doesn't even have mechanics. | Nov 25 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose lots of reasons. The oil changes are where the quick lube had to make all their money, so of course they'll hit you harder. Duh.. | Nov 25 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can be $89.99 for a synthetic oil change, which is insane. | Nov 25 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's half that for the same job at my mechanic, and he can look things over while it's in there. | Nov 25 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Shops can do the job for surprisingly little more than the supplies would cost you retail. | Nov 25 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't buy them retail. | Nov 25 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They get wholesale filters and bulk oil. So even with some labor time in there, they can be competitive. | Nov 25 00:06 |
| danielp3344 | I still dont let anyone else work on my stuff | Nov 25 00:25 |
| danielp3344 | Mechanics really don't have your best interests in mind | Nov 25 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Car-X seems to be better than most shops. | Nov 25 00:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It can be pretty hit and miss with these chain car shops. | Nov 25 00:37 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They gave me a fair price on the work they did. I didn't really want to cough up for a brand new steering rack. They ended up putting in a rebuilt rack. | Nov 25 00:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hey hell, it looks fine and it's not leaking or anything. | Nov 25 00:38 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I had to come back the next day to have them bleed the air out and top off because the pump needed replaced too. | Nov 25 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So there was some air in the system. The car sounded like a whale when I turned the steering wheel. | Nov 25 00:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some people say just drive it and it'll go away, but it was nice of them to get it back up there and bleed it and top off. | Nov 25 00:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I laughed. They said, "We couldn't get your high pressure return line off so we cut it and gave you a new one. Don't worry about it.". | Nov 25 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The stuff costs a few bucks, but a really crooked shop could have said something different. | Nov 25 00:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was power steering fluid coming out of pretty much everything it could leak from. | Nov 25 00:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was dripping when I brought it in. I noticed it when they got it on the lift to check out the bad bearing/tie rod issue. | Nov 25 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told them to do the bearing and tie rod and don't do an alignment. Just mark it because it didn't have to be perfect until I could get in to have the rack and pump replaced. | Nov 25 00:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He actually recommended not doing an alignment until I had to have the other stuff done anyway because it would be a waste of money. I said, "Yeah, I would have known that, but thank you for saying that.". | Nov 25 00:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohmSeems to think BMW has good wheel bearings. | Nov 25 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 3/4 on my Chevy made it over 260,000 miles and are still on there. | Nov 25 00:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My sister in law has a bad one on her 2016 BMW she's not getting addressed. | Nov 25 00:45 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In general, I'm not a fan of just replacing parts that work, show no sign of going out soon, etc. | Nov 25 00:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's plenty of mechanics that don't have your best interests in mind that say you need to do other wheel bearings at the same time just because, even though they're unlikely to fail soon. | Nov 25 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you want to make the shop more money, you can scare the shit out of the customer for no reason, and some do operate that way. | Nov 25 00:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Heh, I had a battery test done on this old car battery, went to Pep Boys and had them load test it (free) and then go ahead and replace it when I still wasn't liking what I saw. | Nov 25 00:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I figured cheap piece of shit battery written in Chinese.....No doubt the problem....but. | Nov 25 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people just wait until the car won't start and it's snowing. | Nov 25 00:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom has been to hit-and-miss mechanics/shops with this thing over the years. | Nov 25 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And in some ways I'm paying for that. | Nov 25 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They didn't fuck anything up too bad. They just sold her a battery that was shit two years ago and told her she was good. | Nov 25 00:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That old steering rack looked like shit. | Nov 25 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rubber was starting to rot. The fucking seals were shot. | Nov 25 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was leaving puddles everywhere I went. | Nov 25 00:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a little bit of surface rust on the rebuilt one I had Car-X put in, but I eyeballed it. | Nov 25 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks okay and it's not leaking and all the rubber and stuff is brand new. | Nov 25 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 1/5th the price of a brand new one. | Nov 25 00:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Slime and motor oil and god only knows what else caked on the old one. | Nov 25 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it had been on there for 17 years, so yeah. | Nov 25 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson: It's really cheap to refurbish those. That's why they have a core. | Nov 25 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They send them to some factory where that's all they do. | Nov 25 00:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This particular car is not the easiest one to top off with fluid. | Nov 25 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The reservoir is below the alternator and a bunch of stuff. | Nov 25 00:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The battery is a pain in the ass too. | Nov 25 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Batteries Plus was going to charge me more money for a flooded acid battery than I got this AGM one for. | Nov 25 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then another $30 because the computer says "difficult installation". | Nov 25 00:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They do have one upside though. | Nov 25 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They sell batteries that are filled with acid in Ohio and then shipped to Batteries Plus. | Nov 25 00:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it hasn't taken the slow boat from China while the battery's in there deteriorating. | Nov 25 01:00 |
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| oiaohm | https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/windows-10-deprecated-features Hmm long list of disappearing windows 10 features | Nov 25 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-docs.microsoft.com | Windows 10 features we’re no longer developing | Microsoft Docs | Nov 25 04:14 | |
| danielp3344 | wow they're disabling wep | Nov 25 04:16 |
| danielp3344 | That almost makes me want to run a wep network just to keep windows users out | Nov 25 04:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The support for Windows 2000 Display Driver Model (XDDM) based remote display drivers will be removed in a future release. " | Nov 25 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's still there!? | Nov 25 04:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 20 years later and WDDM was introduced in Vista....WTF. | Nov 25 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What the hell came with Windows 2000/XP that can even run Windows 10? | Nov 25 04:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | WEP should be removed. It's useless. | Nov 25 04:21 |
| danielp3344 | I'm a big believer in not removing features unless they're actually a problem | Nov 25 04:21 |
| danielp3344 | I wouldn't use WEP, but who knows... | Nov 25 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | RC4 isn't secure. It's also backdoored by the NSA. | Nov 25 04:22 |
| danielp3344 | ? | Nov 25 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "IIS 6 Management Compatibility*" | Nov 25 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Roamed the Earth in the XP days. | Nov 25 04:23 |
| oiaohm | The ReFS one is the kind of interesting. | Nov 25 04:44 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReFS yep ReFS was meant to replace NTFS does not look like that happening now. | Nov 25 04:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ReFS - Wikipedia | Nov 25 04:44 | |
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| scientes2 | XRevan86: I get what you were saying about horrible English, and glad non-native speakers can feel that way too. I had a dream about it, cause with those whose English is horrible I end up dropping all the glue words as they only confuse. | Nov 25 04:47 |
| scientes2 | these people need to do the pimsleurs ESL | Nov 25 04:49 |
| scientes2 | in my dream I was speaking bad English, and then someone though I was a non-native speaker, and then I quotes a Shakespear sonnet, and then went back to pidgin english | Nov 25 04:51 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: Don't know if you are scientes2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English-based_pidgins really there is no such thing as pidgin english it a name for a group of very different languages. Most that are coming dead languages that no one uses. | Nov 25 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of English-based pidgins - Wikipedia | Nov 25 06:04 | |
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| schestowitz_log | good."Thank you 'Quality, what do you expect' for your detailed reply.https://joindiaspora.com/posts/16580933#7b937050f00f013731aa4061862b8e7bhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/15511040#b85ed51090260137ad9452540039b762 | Nov 25 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ● NEWS ● #YouTube Promised to Label State-Sponsored Videos But Doesn’t Always Do So https://www.propublica.org/article/youtube-promised-to-label-state-sponsored-videos-but-doesnt-always-do-so does not do this for Western nations. #alphabet #google #imperialism | Nov 25 07:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.propublica.org | YouTube Promised to Label State-Sponsored Videos But Doesn’t Always Do So — ProPublica | Nov 25 07:18 | |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/Wy627vY.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/zQy6y2K ) | Nov 25 07:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, XDDM will be removed from Windows in the next release apparently. | Nov 25 14:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wow, I had no idea Windows 2000's display driver model was still supported. | Nov 25 14:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I still don't know how you'd be using that hardware. | Nov 25 14:04 |
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| yuhong | Thinking about it, I think you should get better at picking examples. For example, why mention the NSA when Windows has the licensing code? | Nov 25 14:45 |
| schestowitz | you came to troll again? | Nov 25 14:46 |
| schestowitz | lunch break is over, back to work at Microsoft... | Nov 25 14:46 |
| yuhong | Do you know what the licensing code is? | Nov 25 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: your question barely even makes sense | Nov 25 14:48 |
| yuhong | You don't know how you have to activate Windows? | Nov 25 14:49 |
| schestowitz | we don't activate anything | Nov 25 14:49 |
| schestowitz | the Windows forum is over there --------------> | Nov 25 14:49 |
| yuhong | Ars Technica has an article about a incident: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/11/some-windows-10-pro-installations-are-being-erroneously-deactivated/ | Nov 25 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Windows 10 users finding their legit installs are being deactivated | Ars Technica | Nov 25 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | don't paste child rapists' articles here | Nov 25 14:50 |
| yuhong | "Everyone lost their shit when it was revealed Amazon deleted books off users' Kindles without their consent but the fact that every Windows PC in the world is backdoored by Microsoft doesn't seem to bother anyone" | Nov 25 14:50 |
| schestowitz | go visit him in prison | Nov 25 14:50 |
| schestowitz | ask who gave him the prepared 'articles' | Nov 25 14:50 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: this forum is about free software | Nov 25 14:50 |
| schestowitz | the Windows forum is over there --------------> | Nov 25 14:50 |
| scientes | yeah, who cares | Nov 25 14:50 |
| schestowitz | he's linking to pedo articles | Nov 25 14:51 |
| schestowitz | shame on Ars technica for how they responded to it | Nov 25 14:51 |
| scientes | who cares if its backdoored | Nov 25 14:51 |
| schestowitz | their site is still litterted with that Microsoft-composed SPAM | Nov 25 14:51 |
| scientes | like android, I'm so fucking tired of android and the POS that it is | Nov 25 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Their "Open Source" section is jammed with it for MONTHS | Nov 25 14:51 |
| yuhong | The point is that it allows MS to remotely deactivate any Widows installation. | Nov 25 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Conde Nast is corrupt | Nov 25 14:51 |
| schestowitz | A year ago they caused Linus to step down | Nov 25 14:52 |
| scientes | yuhong, who cares | Nov 25 14:52 |
| scientes | yuhong, non-free software cannot be trusted period | Nov 25 14:52 |
| schestowitz | and it's dying | Nov 25 14:52 |
| schestowitz | so it's trying to cause us to drown along WITH it | Nov 25 14:52 |
| yuhong | Yea, but I just want schestowitz to pick better examples. | Nov 25 14:52 |
| yuhong | I think I mentioned before that DrPizza is horrible in other ways BTW. | Nov 25 14:53 |
| scientes | yuhong, don't try to control other people | Nov 25 14:53 |
| yuhong | I think the code has existed since Vista BTW. | Nov 25 14:54 |
| scientes | yuhong, we already said we don't care | Nov 25 14:54 |
| schestowitz | can we stop talking windows, troll? | Nov 25 14:54 |
| schestowitz | the Windows forum is over there --------------> | Nov 25 14:54 |
| scientes | the idea that there are secret problem assumes that people want windows in the first place | Nov 25 14:55 |
| scientes | and they don't | Nov 25 14:55 |
| scientes | they don't even know what it is | Nov 25 14:55 |
| yuhong | I wonder why you mention NSA PRISM a lot BTW. | Nov 25 14:55 |
| yuhong | Linus whom BTW? | Nov 25 14:55 |
| yuhong | And part of my point is that the only reason this licensing code exists is that it is not free software. | Nov 25 15:01 |
| scientes | yuhong, noone cares | Nov 25 15:01 |
| scientes | go somewhere else | Nov 25 15:02 |
| scientes | i don't need licensing code for code I don't use | Nov 25 15:02 |
| scientes | and "licensing code" is a stupid idea in the first place | Nov 25 15:02 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2008/11/09/munchkins-suspicion/ | Nov 25 15:02 |
| schestowitz | he has not changed in a decade or more | Nov 25 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | What is This… Munchkins Again? | Techrights | Nov 25 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | he and the child rapist he links to came here | Nov 25 15:02 |
| scientes | It's like someone paying rent on their own shit | Nov 25 15:03 |
| scientes | you just throw it away | Nov 25 15:03 |
| schestowitz | to put Microsoft crap in this IRC channel | Nov 25 15:03 |
| schestowitz | one is in prison now | Nov 25 15:03 |
| scientes | and asking for rent makes people get rid of it faster | Nov 25 15:03 |
| schestowitz | this troll is still "kicking" | Nov 25 15:03 |
| scientes | http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/Native-modeATA.mspx | Nov 25 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.microsoft.com | Windows Hardware Dev Center | Nov 25 15:04 | |
| scientes | oh that blog is from 2008 | Nov 25 15:05 |
| scientes | ancient | Nov 25 15:05 |
| yuhong | For example, DrPizza has been disliked as a "moderator" on the Ars foruns for years. | Nov 25 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | scientes: same person | Nov 25 15:13 |
| yuhong | Exactly. | Nov 25 15:13 |
| schestowitz | every year since then | Nov 25 15:13 |
| schestowitz | not just some Microsoft ganbiu | Nov 25 15:13 |
| schestowitz | likely astroturfing or some king, or family/biz connection | Nov 25 15:14 |
| schestowitz | like caterer for the company, offspring, maybe PR firm, maybe grey market | Nov 25 15:14 |
| yuhong | In fact, I probably is better at doing research on MS than Peter Bright is. | Nov 25 15:16 |
| yuhong | It is worth mentioning that even other MS employees has complained about CompatTelRunner for example BTW. | Nov 25 15:18 |
| schestowitz | yet you link to his lies here | Nov 25 15:19 |
| schestowitz | please go | Nov 25 15:19 |
| schestowitz | you're here to troll | Nov 25 15:19 |
| yuhong | In this case it is not a lie. | Nov 25 15:19 |
| yuhong | I wonder why you dislike this kind of trolling BTW. | Nov 25 15:20 |
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| yuhong | It is not even pro-MS here. | Nov 25 15:23 |
| psydroid | the funny thing is that Microsoft software is becoming more and more irrelevant every year | Nov 25 15:23 |
| psydroid | out of 30+ devices my family owns only very few run Windows | Nov 25 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft fakes it financial situation | Nov 25 15:25 |
| schestowitz | there's a complaint with the SEC now | Nov 25 15:25 |
| yuhong | Keep in mind this activation code has existed since Vista. | Nov 25 15:25 |
| schestowitz | piss off | Nov 25 15:25 |
| schestowitz | we are not talking about activation codes | Nov 25 15:26 |
| schestowitz | you just came here to disrupt the topic/focus | Nov 25 15:26 |
| yuhong | OK. | Nov 25 15:26 |
| schestowitz | with links to a child rapist (not Gates) | Nov 25 15:26 |
| psydroid | I can see that, even my siblings' children are on Chromebooks now | Nov 25 15:26 |
| psydroid | activation codes don't matter anymore | Nov 25 15:26 |
| psydroid | they died with Microsoft | Nov 25 15:26 |
| yuhong | Yea, by the very definition they are limited to non-free software. | Nov 25 15:27 |
| yuhong | I hope you know about my essay/overview on Google BTW. | Nov 25 15:28 |
| yuhong | http://yuhongbao.blogspot.com/2019/11/google-doubleclick-essayoverview-third.html | Nov 25 15:28 |
| psydroid | no one cares | Nov 25 15:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-yuhongbao.blogspot.com | Yuhong Bao's blog: Google DoubleClick essay/overview (third draft) | Nov 25 15:28 | |
| yuhong | I think even schestowitz used Google ads in the early days. | Nov 25 15:30 |
| yuhong | I am talking about 2007, before they bought DoubleClick. | Nov 25 15:31 |
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| yuhong | psydroid: (since you mentioned Chromebooks) | Nov 25 15:38 |
| psydroid | what exactly do you want to say? | Nov 25 15:39 |
| yuhong | It is about the history of Google. | Nov 25 15:39 |
| yuhong | The overview still have many problems. | Nov 25 15:40 |
| psydroid | can you do similar writeup about the history of Microsoft? | Nov 25 15:42 |
| yuhong | Not nearly as interesting. | Nov 25 15:42 |
| yuhong | (even schestowitz used Google ads in the early days) | Nov 25 15:42 |
| schestowitz | Shane did, not me | Nov 25 15:42 |
| schestowitz | stop lying | Nov 25 15:43 |
| psydroid | why not? I am definitely interested in it | Nov 25 15:43 |
| scientes | yuhong, you are annoying | Nov 25 15:43 |
| yuhong | Yea, forgot that it is actually Shane. | Nov 25 15:43 |
| yuhong | This is before they bought DoubleClick. | Nov 25 15:43 |
| yuhong | AdWords dates back to 2000 BTW. | Nov 25 15:45 |
| yuhong | Google was the one with the "do no evil" motto too. | Nov 25 15:49 |
| yuhong | It is hard to find when they merged DoubleClick data with other ad tracking data too. | Nov 25 15:51 |
| psydroid | Google is the most evil company in the history of mankind and Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer are saints | Nov 25 15:51 |
| psydroid | is that what you want to hear? | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| yuhong | Nope. I am interested in the exact history. | Nov 25 15:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | If there is a difference in fuel economy on E15, I haven't seen it. | Nov 25 18:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's probably there, just so tiny it's noise. | Nov 25 18:33 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: ethanol has a lower energy density but a higher octane rating, so MPG should decrease I think | Nov 25 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: : what's e15 | Nov 25 18:52 |
| schestowitz | some pop culture something? | Nov 25 18:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: 15% ethyl alcohol to 85% gasoline. | Nov 25 18:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The normal stuff in the US is E10. | Nov 25 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most cars can run fine on E15. The EPA has been pushing it pretty hard. | Nov 25 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Daniel Peterson: It also sells at a discount to gas of a few cents per gallon. | Nov 25 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if there is a slight decrease, that probably makes up for it. | Nov 25 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It burns cleaner. | Nov 25 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, and then there's the anti-knock because the effective octane rating is 88, not 87. | Nov 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | better to east it | Nov 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | or export to overpopulated countries | Nov 25 18:58 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait | Nov 25 18:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been running the Impala on it. | Nov 25 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems to do fine. | Nov 25 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd rather have the money go to someone in this country than the Arabs. | Nov 25 18:59 |
| schestowitz | ethyl alcohol | Nov 25 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if it is just a bit. | Nov 25 18:59 |
| schestowitz | is indeed made of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol | Nov 25 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Ethanol - Wikipedia | Nov 25 18:59 | |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: rin #85 | Nov 25 18:59 |
| danielp3344 | run E85* | Nov 25 18:59 |
| schestowitz | there are better uses for grains | Nov 25 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not a FFV. | Nov 25 18:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | E85 will ruin the engine and make the Check Engine light come on. | Nov 25 19:00 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: EFI? | Nov 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The oxygen sensor will think it's a bad reading. | Nov 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | universal even | Nov 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | universal as in Windows only :) | Nov 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will sign if... if you ask nicely | Nov 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | universal 'secure boot' | Nov 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GM Buick V6 is a pretty decent engine. | Nov 25 19:00 |
| schestowitz | the worst bit of UEFI | Nov 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For the time, at least. | Nov 25 19:00 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: put a resistor inline with your O2 sensors and put in larger injectors | Nov 25 19:01 |
| danielp3344 | boom, E85 ready | Nov 25 19:01 |
| zoobab | techrights.org/2018/07/22/antonio-campinos-outsourcing/ | Nov 25 19:01 |
| zoobab | do you have any link to the "Time out" blog post? | Nov 25 19:02 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't pull up to E85 pumps, even to buy E15. or E10. | Nov 25 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're blender pumps, so you get a third of a gallon of whatever the last person got. | Nov 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If it's E85, you paid gasoline prices for that. | Nov 25 19:03 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: E85 is the best racing fuel money can buy | Nov 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Could cost you $10-15 a year. | Nov 25 19:03 |
| danielp3344 | my car is about to become E85 only | Nov 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd be careful with that. | Nov 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not just the engine that that can damage. | Nov 25 19:04 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: I already have to replace the tank, pump and lines so I have a chance to do it right | Nov 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's the fuel pump, the lines, the tank.... | Nov 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, well... | Nov 25 19:04 |
| danielp3344 | tank and lines are rusted out and my pump is too small for the hp I want | Nov 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Knock yourself out. | Nov 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But I'd make sure E85 is selling for about 25% less than gas. | Nov 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To account for the mpg loss. | Nov 25 19:04 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: doesn't matter, you can't run 20:1 compression on 87 octane | Nov 25 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that would probably not go over too well. | Nov 25 19:05 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Nov 25 19:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I wouldn't try it with less than 91 octane. | Nov 25 19:05 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: even 91 octane is limited to around 16:1 IIRC | Nov 25 19:06 |
| danielp3344 | I want leaded gas back | Nov 25 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, if it's fuel injected the timing can be adjusted somewhat. | Nov 25 19:06 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: true | Nov 25 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But if it's not, then you would probably have to go up to 94 for sure. | Nov 25 19:06 |
| danielp3344 | But that means losing power | Nov 25 19:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Just a little. | Nov 25 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people who have Mustang ignore the "recommend premium gas" part and run it on regular because Premium gas costs so much. | Nov 25 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It literally has no advantages to regular in most vehicles though. | Nov 25 19:08 |
| danielp3344 | yeah | Nov 25 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But that sure doesn't stop the oil companies from pushing it. | Nov 25 19:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Some of them claim they put 4x the detergent in premium. | Nov 25 19:08 |
| danielp3344 | lol | Nov 25 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you're still better off just using regular. | Nov 25 19:08 |
| danielp3344 | If I need to clean my fuel system I'll run E85 ;) | Nov 25 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could chase it down with a bottle of Gumout Regane every tank for less than what Premium gas costs. | Nov 25 19:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Bob Is The Oil Guy showed that Gumout Regane does somewhat clean out the engine parts it says it will. | Nov 25 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But you need to to temper your enthusiasm a bit. | Nov 25 19:09 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's better about injectors and intake valves than it is on the rest. | Nov 25 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The fact that it works at all is pretty amazing. | Nov 25 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most stuff that goes into the tank doesn't do anything. | Nov 25 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Crown Victoria had an issue where it would stall once in a while, so I started dumping Gumout Regane in it. | Nov 25 19:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For a few tanks. | Nov 25 19:14 |
| danielp3344 | DaemonFC: | Nov 25 19:14 |
| danielp3344 | B12 is the only thing I've ever had work* | Nov 25 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It never stalled again after that. | Nov 25 19:15 |
| danielp3344 | Also dumping a gallon of acetone in the tank | Nov 25 19:15 |
| danielp3344 | ran terribly for the rest of the tank but it cleaned stuff out well | Nov 25 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I usually take a good look at the condition and customer flow of a gas station before I'll use it. | Nov 25 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the place is ran down, they're probably not taking care of their tanks and filters. | Nov 25 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lots of customer traffic means that they need fresh fuel deliveries more often. | Nov 25 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In this area, it's usually Speedway, Murphy, and Thornton's that get the most customers. | Nov 25 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't use Murphy gas because I got a tank of it once and the Crown Vic ran like shit until I refueled. | Nov 25 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't seem to take good care of their stuff. Also, the one in Waukegan is packed all the time and it's a small station, so it's more trouble trying to get in and out than it's worth. | Nov 25 19:20 |
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| XRevan86 | > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English-based_pidgins really there is no such thing as pidgin english it a name for a group of very different languages. Most that are coming dead languages that no one uses. | Nov 25 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of English-based pidgins - Wikipedia | Nov 25 21:24 | |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: The talk was about using English as a pidgin by non-native speakers internationally, and how that's sufficient for many people. | Nov 25 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | Not about any established national pidgin's. | Nov 25 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | Besides, those have a tendency of turning into creoles anyway. | Nov 25 21:27 |
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| XRevan86 | Tok Pisin (pidgin speech) is a good example of that, as it is not a pidgin. | Nov 25 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | And the growing influence of English endangers those languages as they blend well into English. | Nov 25 21:30 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/639964.jpg | Nov 25 22:02 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/71Lpbkz.jpg | Nov 25 22:10 |
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| yuhong_ | Thinking about it, I wonder how .NET Core compares to the non-free .NET Framework these days. | Nov 25 22:19 |
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| *XRevan86 feels like an enterprise: https://i.postimg.cc/c1dZ8wHB/spameo.png | Nov 25 22:21 | |
| MinceR | it's been years since the last time yuhong drive-by spammed | Nov 25 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Who is he? | Nov 25 22:21 |
| XRevan86 | or she | Nov 25 22:21 |
| MinceR | some microsloth munchkin | Nov 25 22:22 |
| XRevan86 | All I can see are some strange takes on Microsoft and a very strong antipathic reaction from everyone. | Nov 25 22:22 |
| *psydroid wouldn't know, as he reformatted all his Linux partitions earlier this year making sure no Microsoft software stayed behind | Nov 25 22:22 | |
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| psydroid | the tragic consequence of this person's actions is that it will only accelerate the move away from Microsoft and friends | Nov 25 22:24 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: its really hard to make sure no Microsoft stuff stay behind with freebsd or linux as Microsoft has submit code to the kernels of both over time. | Nov 25 22:26 |
| oiaohm | People forgot microsoft running hotmail servers on freebsd. | Nov 25 22:27 |
| oiaohm | So they had to fix it upstream. | Nov 25 22:27 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I'm sure psydroid meant it in a more practical sense. | Nov 25 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Lot of maker ACPI stuff in firmware people use are taken straight from the Microsoft template., | Nov 25 22:28 |
| psydroid | oiaohm, that code is available under free licenses and doesn't need Microsoft's involvement, once it's included upstream | Nov 25 22:29 |
| MinceR | lol @ the idea of microshit fixing something | Nov 25 22:29 |
| MinceR | Mr Fixit | Nov 25 22:29 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I agree its funny as hell but they do rarely after normally like 20 rejects for being wrong. | Nov 25 22:29 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: beware of underestimating them | Nov 25 22:30 |
| yuhong | What is fun is how well MS tends to cover up things like CompatTelRunner. | Nov 25 22:30 |
| MinceR | my job would be easier if they learned how to engineer software | Nov 25 22:30 |
| XRevan86 | First they fix you, then you can't move | Nov 25 22:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the fact they don't normally get the fix right first time when submitting to freebsd or Linux. Make you think it luck that windows runs at all. | Nov 25 22:30 |
| MinceR | maybe it would be luckier if it couldn't even boot at all, ever | Nov 25 22:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Manufacturers will make sure it runs no matter what | Nov 25 22:31 |
| MinceR | they've found some sort of "sweet" spot of maximal disruption of productivity | Nov 25 22:31 |
| oiaohm | https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/14955.html I really do wonder how many other insulting items are hidden inside windows sourcecode. | Nov 25 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org | mjg59 | Microsoft's ill-chosen magic constants | Nov 25 22:32 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it'd be a lot cooler if they didn't | Nov 25 22:32 |
| yuhong | Where is the SEC complaint BTW? | Nov 25 22:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Alas they don't have a sense of good taste | Nov 25 22:32 |
| MinceR | i wonder if abrahamism is the reason some people are afraid of the word "boob" | Nov 25 22:32 |
| psydroid | I fixed Windows by not having it installed on any of my devices (except for the HP laptop that needs it installed to be able to apply firmware updates, thank $DEITY for vendor lock-in) | Nov 25 22:39 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 25 22:39 |
| MinceR | yeah, hp firmware is an abomination | Nov 25 22:40 |
| yuhong | FYI, Jake Hamby have said that "I think the strongest points against Microsoft are that it's bad to have a single supplier of critical infrastructure who abuses IP law (copyrights & patents) and FUD to push out competitors. That's all you have to say. They're not also putting in backdoors on purpose for spies." | Nov 25 22:40 |
| MinceR | hewlett-packard, where legacy boot "support" means you can turn the setting on or off in uefi setup, and nothing else | Nov 25 22:40 |
| MinceR | but hey, at least they've put effort into making uefi make annoying sounds all the time | Nov 25 22:41 |
| MinceR | s/fi/fi setup/ | Nov 25 22:41 |
| XRevan86 | https://tvrain.ru/news/a-497974 Margarita Simonyan from RT will be a co-chairperson of the new human rights centre of United Russia | Nov 25 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tvrain.ru | Маргарита Симоньян станет сопредседателем правозащитного центра «Единой России» | Nov 25 22:42 | |
| XRevan86 | figures | Nov 25 22:42 |
| yuhong | The BBC also have other problems too BTW, like http://www.universalsocket.fatallyflawed.org.uk/BBC_Complaint_Upheld/bbc_complaint_upheld.html | Nov 25 22:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.universalsocket.fatallyflawed.org.uk | BBC Complaint Upheld | Nov 25 22:43 | |
| psydroid | they are only hurting themselves, the only kernels I build on that laptop are for my non-x86 machines that can't even run vendor lock-in software | Nov 25 22:43 |
| yuhong | This is about universal power outlets which are dangerous. | Nov 25 22:45 |
| XRevan86 | Now that United Russia lost some seats, its levels of hypocrisy and populism are skyrocketting. | Nov 25 22:46 |
| psydroid | if millions of people do the same thing, Microsoft has to send in evangelists to make the bleeding stop | Nov 25 22:46 |
| psydroid | but the ROI is zero | Nov 25 22:47 |
| MinceR | (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/28/0ab2d61c66ccc7fa.mp4 | Nov 25 22:48 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder if they'll clean up their act even a little. Nah. | Nov 25 22:50 |
| psydroid | the BBC has a pedophile problem just like Microsoft does | Nov 25 22:54 |
| psydroid | the question is: who infected who? | Nov 25 22:54 |
| yuhong | Yea, this is not even about software. | Nov 25 22:55 |
| MinceR | "This is not about money. This is about power!" | Nov 25 22:55 |
| oiaohm | That a good line. | Nov 25 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft is not the only hostile out there. | Nov 25 22:58 |
| oiaohm | yuhong: where do you think Microsoft learnt to abuse IP law and FUD from. | Nov 25 22:59 |
| MinceR | it's from Predator 2, iirc | Nov 25 23:00 |
| oiaohm | https://www.webopedia.com/TERM/F/FUD.html as a method to destroy competition that is IBM created thing. | Nov 25 23:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-What is FUD? Webopedia Definition | Nov 25 23:01 | |
| oiaohm | Patent warfare to destroy competition if possible is also a IBM created thing. | Nov 25 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft only brought the art of the contractual double cross to the party. | Nov 25 23:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What a smart quote. | Nov 25 23:02 |
| oiaohm | IBM starting OIN group you have to wonder what they long term play is there. | Nov 25 23:03 |
| XRevan86 | "This is not about cars. This is about transportation!" | Nov 25 23:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 25 23:04 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/FZzjg8L.mp4 ( https://imgur.com/gallery/iJiS4lV ) | Nov 25 23:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Watch out for that pothole - Album on Imgur | Nov 25 23:20 | |
| psydroid | did he leave for real this time or does he have another alter ego here? | Nov 25 23:23 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Nov 25 23:24 |
| MinceR | i see nobody from telus now | Nov 25 23:24 |
| MinceR | but who knows | Nov 25 23:24 |
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| psydroid | they must be getting desperate | Nov 25 23:26 |
| psydroid | but I wasn't lying | Nov 25 23:27 |
| psydroid | among my close relatives Windows is nearly dead | Nov 25 23:27 |
| danielp3344 | psydroid: I'm getting there :P | Nov 25 23:27 |
| danielp3344 | I have converted my brother | Nov 25 23:28 |
| psydroid | Daniel Peterson , they are all happy with an assortment of phones, tablets, Chromebooks and then Windows laptops as needed | Nov 25 23:33 |
| danielp3344 | oh, I thought you meant running free software :P | Nov 25 23:33 |
| psydroid | I was surprised to realise it myself | Nov 25 23:33 |
| danielp3344 | I convinced my brother and my mom to use GNU+Linux on their formerly windows computers | Nov 25 23:33 |
| psydroid | well, they have that too, but the first step is weaning them off Microtit :P | Nov 25 23:34 |
| psydroid | kids like games, some of which deliberately don't work on free software platforms | Nov 25 23:36 |
| psydroid | my mom doesn't need more than her phone | Nov 25 23:37 |
| danielp3344 | <psydroid "kids like games, some of which d"> yeah my brother has a real problem with that | Nov 25 23:38 |
| danielp3344 | He runs a lot of games in wine | Nov 25 23:38 |
| psydroid | my uncle uses GNU/Linux on his laptop now and the machine feels like new | Nov 25 23:38 |
| MinceR | does matrix show you full names by default? | Nov 25 23:38 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: on IRC? | Nov 25 23:38 |
| MinceR | yeah | Nov 25 23:38 |
| psydroid | so yes, the kids run their games on their phones | Nov 25 23:38 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: no | Nov 25 23:38 |
| danielp3344 | have to use whois | Nov 25 23:39 |
| MinceR | that's the second time i see someone refer to danielp3344 as "Daniel Peterson" | Nov 25 23:39 |
| MinceR | even though i can't even see that name in whois :> | Nov 25 23:39 |
| danielp3344 | Ah yeah | Nov 25 23:39 |
| danielp3344 | MinceR: yeah the IRC bridge uses matrix users as the real name | Nov 25 23:39 |
| psydroid | haha | Nov 25 23:39 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 25 23:39 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: games get interesting. | Nov 25 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | IRC is probably not involved at all | Nov 25 23:40 |
| XRevan86 | since you're both in the same room on matrix.org | Nov 25 23:40 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: thinking is roughly 50/50 of all games work under linux. Windows 10 is really only about 80% of games with the 20% that don't work mostly work under Linux. | Nov 25 23:40 |
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| danielp3344 | It does a pretty good job of handling it most of the time | Nov 25 23:40 |
| oiaohm | With the way games is progressing it might not be long until windows and Linux are on even footing. | Nov 25 23:41 |
| danielp3344 | oiaohm: very little progress in terms of freedom though | Nov 25 23:41 |
| danielp3344 | just more nonfree GNU+Linux software | Nov 25 23:41 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: games turn out to be quite expensive to make. | Nov 25 23:42 |
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| danielp3344 | oiaohm: just a lot of time | Nov 25 23:43 |
| MinceR | "modern" mainstream games have gone to shit anyway | Nov 25 23:43 |
| danielp3344 | I spend a lot of my time making games | Nov 25 23:43 |
| MinceR | and independent free software games tend to run fine on free unices | Nov 25 23:43 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: I mean expensive with games wanting voice actors and other things. | Nov 25 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Of course game players are expecting that stuff. | Nov 25 23:44 |
| danielp3344 | oiaohm: there are plenty of free voice actors | Nov 25 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know it window dressing. | Nov 25 23:44 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: not one you are wanting a well known name. | Nov 25 23:45 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: as I said the expected window dressing that players are expecting. | Nov 25 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Its pushing the cost of production way up. | Nov 25 23:46 |
| oiaohm | High production costs lead to stupid fears over piracy and other thigns. | Nov 25 23:46 |
| oiaohm | The scary part is it can be cheaper to make a 2 hour long block buster movie than what it costs to make a 45 min play time. | Nov 25 23:51 |
| danielp3344 | well to be fair once you have 45 min of play time you already have enough assets for many more hours | Nov 25 23:53 |
| oiaohm | 2 hour long block buster movie you can control a person exact route though. | Nov 25 23:56 |
| MinceR | you just add fake difficulty and pointless delays and repetition :> | Nov 25 23:57 |
| MinceR | and the less interactivity the game has the cheaper it is to make | Nov 25 23:57 |
| oiaohm | games end up using a lot of fillter stunts that is right. | Nov 25 23:57 |
| MinceR | so you can have super linear maps and stuff like that :> | Nov 25 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Even then its still horrible costly. | Nov 25 23:57 |
| danielp3344 | Anyone want to start a libre game studio? | Nov 25 23:58 |
| danielp3344 | :P | Nov 25 23:58 |
| oiaohm | danielp3344: A few have tried | Nov 25 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Its scary that over 80 percent of the games made never make the person who made the game a profit. | Nov 25 23:59 |
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