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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: Trump's parting gift: soon a 9/11 per day (it'll be about 2,200 dead today) https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ | Nov 25 00:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United States Coronavirus: 12,945,925 Cases and 265,828 Deaths - Worldometer | Nov 25 00:10 | |
| schestowitz | 853 new deaths in Italy today | Nov 25 00:12 |
| schestowitz | almost 1000 again | Nov 25 00:12 |
| schestowitz | the cost of reopening? | Nov 25 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | anyone awake? seems like WINE is targeted by Microsoft now. | Nov 25 00:49 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Microsoft ’Moles’ Inside WINE Project? WINE Should Bring Windows Users to GNU/Linux, Not the Other Way Around. • 🆃🅴🅲🅷🆁🅸🅶🅷🆃🆂 ☞ http://techrights.org/2020/11/24/redmond-and-wine/ [https://pleroma.site/objects/56536e93-2bbd-4371-88a0-6c018a404b0e] | Nov 25 01:04 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://fdossena.com/?p=wined3d/index.frag wine releationship with windows has been wacky for a long time. | Nov 25 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fdossena.com | WineD3D For Windows - Federico Dossena | Nov 25 01:31 | |
| oiaohm | Wine inside wsl2 is kinda to be expected as some point. | Nov 25 01:32 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the stupid part deal is mostly the funding is most likely to assist with getting wine to work in wsl2 so old windows games and programs that don't work on windows work by wine in wsl2. Remember wine libraries being used to make old windows programs work on newer windows is something that dates back to the early 2000s. | Nov 25 01:38 |
| oiaohm | reactos early primary taking libraries from wine were in fact the ones used application compadiblity fixes on Windows. | Nov 25 01:39 |
| oiaohm | History of wine and windows is a mixed mess. | Nov 25 01:39 |
| oiaohm | In someways I would love to see Microsoft directly fund wine so killing the legal issues. | Nov 25 01:39 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: interesting | Nov 25 04:44 |
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| vZS1 | schestowitz: someone asked me an interesting question. They said "how do I prevent Ubuntu from smuggling snap onto my system?" The answer is `$ apt-mark hold snapd`. | Nov 25 09:02 |
| vZS1 | That's one you should put up in TR. A lot of people use Debian derivatives like Ubuntu so it's a good one to know. | Nov 25 09:03 |
| schestowitz | is that the biggest risk in ubuntu? | Nov 25 09:04 |
| schestowitz | some people install malware in Ubuntu | Nov 25 09:04 |
| schestowitz | even deliberately | Nov 25 09:04 |
| schestowitz | or add Microsoft PPAs | Nov 25 09:04 |
| vZS1 | From my POV, yes. Because it's blatant spyware. | Nov 25 09:04 |
| vZS1 | snapd runs as root | Nov 25 09:04 |
| vZS1 | So it can even export your PGP keys | Nov 25 09:05 |
| vZS1 | You don't know what it's doing | Nov 25 09:05 |
| vZS1 | It's a proprietary blob | Nov 25 09:05 |
| vZS1 | running as root | Nov 25 09:05 |
| vZS1 | Another few good tips | Nov 25 09:06 |
| vZS1 | `$ mount | grep snap` will show all the mounted stuff. | Nov 25 09:06 |
| vZS1 | Because some of those need to be unmounted before you you successfully purge snap from the system | Nov 25 09:06 |
| vZS1 | Uh | Nov 25 09:07 |
| vZS1 | Few more | Nov 25 09:07 |
| vZS1 | `$ for i in $(snap list | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | tail -n+2); do sudo snap remove --purge "${i}"; done` | Nov 25 09:08 |
| vZS1 | `$ sudo rm -rf /var/cache/snapd/` | Nov 25 09:09 |
| schestowitz | [09:05] <vZS1> It's a proprietary blob | Nov 25 09:09 |
| schestowitz | is it? | Nov 25 09:09 |
| schestowitz | I mean | Nov 25 09:09 |
| vZS1 | Hold on | Nov 25 09:09 |
| schestowitz | maybe developed on proprietary shithub or something | Nov 25 09:09 |
| vZS1 | Let me finish the scripts | Nov 25 09:09 |
| schestowitz | but... | Nov 25 09:09 |
| vZS1 | `$ sudo apt autoremove --purge snapd` | Nov 25 09:10 |
| vZS1 | `rm -fr ${HOME}/snap` | Nov 25 09:10 |
| vZS1 | @sche | Nov 25 09:12 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: I looked it up. snap has GPLv3 client and proprietary server. | Nov 25 09:12 |
| vZS1 | Either way, running snap as root is stupid | Nov 25 09:13 |
| vZS1 | Someone asked me for help and I walked them through the whole process. Just wanted to share while it was still fresh in my head. | Nov 25 09:14 |
| vZS1 | Canonical are deliberately making it harder to use apt by removing debian packages from the repo | Nov 25 09:15 |
| vZS1 | In order to herd people toward snap | Nov 25 09:16 |
| vZS1 | apt is perfectly usable for even non-tech people | Nov 25 09:16 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that | Nov 25 09:17 |
| vZS1 | apt usage is on my list of topics to write about | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | things that should be in aprt | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | apt | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | but are not | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 25 09:17 |
| vZS1 | Yep | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | a Brit who ran snap at Canonical left | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | months ago | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | popey | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | mr, pope | Nov 25 09:17 |
| schestowitz | might want to research the cause | Nov 25 09:17 |
| vZS1 | Don't have the time myself | Nov 25 09:18 |
| schestowitz | alan pope, iirc | Nov 25 09:18 |
| schestowitz | common name | Nov 25 09:18 |
| schestowitz | but you can ask him directly | Nov 25 09:18 |
| schestowitz | and use the smell test/bs meter | Nov 25 09:18 |
| schestowitz | he knows the back end | Nov 25 09:19 |
| vZS1 | I've got to finish my RSS library and get back to writing my book | Nov 25 09:19 |
| schestowitz | if it's a high enough priority, you will find time for it | Nov 25 09:20 |
| vZS1 | Not a high enough priority rn | Nov 25 09:20 |
| schestowitz | when people say "don't have time" they usually mean (code for) "not important enough to me" | Nov 25 09:20 |
| schestowitz | "mom died" | Nov 25 09:21 |
| schestowitz | "sorry, ain't got da time, man" | Nov 25 09:21 |
| vZS1 | Well. I did say it's not a high enough priority lol | Nov 25 09:21 |
| schestowitz | it's a priority thing, anything can "have the time" given some circumstances | Nov 25 09:21 |
| schestowitz | I think snap is not a high-risk thing | Nov 25 09:21 |
| schestowitz | compared to a lot of other things | Nov 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | inc. the thing people install VIA snapd | Nov 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | snapd is a ramp | Nov 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | for bad stuff | Nov 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | "apps" | Nov 25 09:22 |
| vZS1 | The telemetry in snapd is spyware | Nov 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | but the apps are the greater evil, the vector is their facilitator | Nov 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | snap brings people spotify, skype etc | Nov 25 09:22 |
| vZS1 | Discord | Nov 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | that's vastly worse spyware | Nov 25 09:22 |
| schestowitz | of companies that do spying as a business, in a foreign land | Nov 25 09:23 |
| vZS1 | Btw | Nov 25 09:24 |
| vZS1 | KDE GitLab is down | Nov 25 09:24 |
| vZS1 | It seems | Nov 25 09:24 |
| vZS1 | I wanted to look into Falkon and Konqueror | Nov 25 09:25 |
| vZS1 | The repos | Nov 25 09:25 |
| vZS1 | But I can't reach invent.kde.org | Nov 25 09:25 |
| vZS1 | Can you give it a look? | Nov 25 09:25 |
| vZS1 | Just came back up it seems | Nov 25 09:31 |
| schestowitz | WTF!!! | Nov 25 09:31 |
| schestowitz | x https://ubuntu.com/download | Nov 25 09:31 |
| schestowitz | # no direct links to downloads, promotes WeaSeL instead | Nov 25 09:31 |
| schestowitz | look at this page !! | Nov 25 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Get Ubuntu | Download | Ubuntu | Nov 25 09:31 | |
| vZS1 | Let's take a look | Nov 25 09:37 |
| vZS1 | I see "Ubuntu Desktop" right at the top | Nov 25 09:39 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/frequent-security-alerts-on-mozilla-4175685718/ | Nov 25 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | frequent security alerts on Mozilla | Nov 25 09:39 | |
| schestowitz | someone just sent me this | Nov 25 09:39 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: re ubuntu https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19523152 | Nov 25 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lots of discussions this morning in #techrights about what #canonical does with Snaps these days. And no, it's not #freesw -- #proprietarySoftware at the back end and they're herding users towards that. #ubuntu is also partly developed on #microsoft servers now. | Nov 25 09:39 | |
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| vZS1 | I saw the firefox-esr security updates in my Debian Security RSS feed | Nov 25 09:43 |
| vZS1 | They happen quite frequently | Nov 25 09:43 |
| vZS1 | Nothing new | Nov 25 09:43 |
| schestowitz | brb need to do workout | Nov 25 09:43 |
| vZS1 | I'm heading odd | Nov 25 09:43 |
| vZS1 | off* | Nov 25 09:43 |
| vZS1 | enjoy yer workout | Nov 25 09:43 |
| schestowitz | ty | Nov 25 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | done | Nov 25 10:22 |
| schestowitz | lockdown makes a lot of people | Nov 25 10:22 |
| schestowitz | not move | Nov 25 10:22 |
| schestowitz | and that itself is also a health risk/factor | Nov 25 10:23 |
| schestowitz | got some OSI views today | Nov 25 11:03 |
| schestowitz | and help | Nov 25 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > The page seems to contain 8 new videos in total, including the one we linked/embedded already. Maybe we can do one post about each | Nov 25 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Sounds good if you have the time. I can review and add commentary. | Nov 25 11:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 11:09 |
| schestowitz | SCaLE 15x in 2017, I think... not 2016. | Nov 25 11:09 |
| schestowitz | Meeting people irl was an eye opener! :) | Nov 25 11:09 |
| schestowitz | At SCaLE 2016, I attended the law track, where I met a Lawyer claiming to be a Free and Open Source Lawyer... who didn't know the difference. We did explain the difference to him during happy hour. | Nov 25 11:09 |
| schestowitz | Although IANAL, I knew more than the lawyers present who did not have the basic understanding of copyright - Example, they were arguing a moot point because they did not have basic knowledge of functional v speech. | Nov 25 11:09 |
| schestowitz | I hope I can find these loopholes. I live for loopholes... will get back to you. | Nov 25 11:09 |
| schestowitz | Attached - Bruce Perens early 2020 making comments re OSI on Linkedin. | Nov 25 11:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 25 11:09 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the Ubuntu snap issue is a lot more horrible than just disable snapd. https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-testing-chromium-browser-deb-to-snap-transition/11179 started in 2019 where they started moving different applications into snap that you have installed by apt and the result is you want the newest version have to install snap. | Nov 25 11:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-discourse.ubuntu.com | Call for testing: chromium-browser deb to snap transition - Desktop - Ubuntu Community Hub | Nov 25 11:14 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways this is you don't want snap don't run ubuntu and if using something like debian and then disable snapd from being able to be installed by opps. | Nov 25 11:15 |
| oiaohm | Disable snapd with ubuntu can equal be stuck on old out of date security flawed browser or equal. | Nov 25 11:16 |
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| oiaohm | http://boginjr.com/it/sw/dev/vinyl-boot/ darn this is wacky. | Nov 25 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boginjr.com | Booting from a vinyl record – BOGIN, JR. | Nov 25 12:53 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Ubuntu maker wants app developers to stop worrying too much about #security • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144734 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [https://pleroma.site/objects/1581e1d2-0679-4f8c-bbe9-caf6f6fa78c2] | Nov 25 12:57 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: neat | Nov 25 13:00 |
| schestowitz | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries | Nov 25 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | Coronavirus Update (Live): 60,250,141 Cases and 1,417,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer | Nov 25 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | 43 million positives | Nov 25 13:16 |
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| MinceR | https://nitter.net/WolfieChristl/status/1331221942850949121 | Nov 25 13:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | Wolfie Christl (@WolfieChristl): "Esoteric metrics based on analyzing extensive data about employee activities has been mostly the domain of fringe software vendors. Now it's built into MS 365. A new feature to calculate 'productivity scores' turns Microsoft 365 into an full-fledged workplace surveillance tool:" | nitter | Nov 25 13:40 | |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2210/ | Nov 25 13:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: College Athletes | Nov 25 13:45 | |
| kingoffrance | i would dispute that use of "esoteric" as surely they only think the scores mean something, noone actually understands them :) | Nov 25 13:48 |
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| MinceR | maybe their friends at the NSA understand the scores | Nov 25 13:54 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/698236.jpg | Nov 25 14:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz Dad started in on the whole coronavirus is a one world government conspiracy. | Nov 25 14:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The WHO released it and Trump was protecting us and all that. | Nov 25 14:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told him, "Yeah yeah yeah. Feliz Nazi Dud to you too.". | Nov 25 14:08 |
| schestowitz | heard this one before | Nov 25 14:10 |
| schestowitz | tell him the vaccines will protect him from slient jesus | Nov 25 14:10 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 25 14:10 |
| schestowitz | or the aliens | Nov 25 14:10 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jNUSHAdUXOYeemXxoeFbtSKq/message.txt > | Nov 25 14:20 | |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I've gotten a lot saltier lately with him. | Nov 25 14:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, my dad's BMI still wouldn't be terrific if he was five inches taller. | Nov 25 14:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least not the last time I saw him. | Nov 25 14:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He's always done extremely bizarre things with foods, like it can never be sweet enough. | Nov 25 14:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He used to mix Karo syrup with crunchy peanut butter, in a coffee mug, and then spoon it onto Ritz crackers. | Nov 25 14:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then yell at me when it turned into fossilized amber overnight and I threw out the mugs. | Nov 25 14:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then there was the chocolate cake with an entire jar of grape jelly. In his defense, a "low fat chocolate cake". | Nov 25 14:26 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | They say to be a perfect Nazi, you must be a blond man like Hitler, slim like Göring, and tall like Goebbels. | Nov 25 14:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I suppose we should have seen this coming in many ways. | Nov 25 14:29 |
| vZS1 | Instructions unclear, commenced Anschluss. | Nov 25 14:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My favorite Bush speech included "We can no longer rely on the oceans to protect us from terrorists.". | Nov 25 14:29 |
| vZS1 | I read "Bush" as "British". Still works | Nov 25 14:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The far right always ignore domestic terrorists because 99 times out of 100 they're Republicans. | Nov 25 14:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if you did keep all of the Muslims out, still doesn't work, you know. | Nov 25 14:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We had lots of terrorists and very few were Islamic ones. | Nov 25 14:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most of them were anti-government kooks and religious cults. | Nov 25 14:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, like McVeigh and David Koresh. | Nov 25 14:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | By the time the federal government did respond to the Branch Davidian compound it turned into a total disaster that just gave the far right even more fodder to radicalize people with. | Nov 25 14:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because the tear gas that they tried to flush them out with went up in flames and killed all of them including the children. | Nov 25 14:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's one of the reasons McVeigh said he blew up the federal building over. | Nov 25 14:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And it continued to inspire nutcases, like that guy that flew the plane into the IRS building several years ago. | Nov 25 14:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Those 14 people that were going to kidnap and murder two state governors were cut from the same cloth. | Nov 25 14:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Coronavirus shutdown is a big recruiting tool for the far right violent groups because they had already had their ability to work and earn a paycheck stolen from them, oddly by far right policies that they're too dumb to comprehend. | Nov 25 14:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And now with this shutdown on top of it all. | Nov 25 14:35 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/698203.jpg | Nov 25 14:37 |
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| superkuh | Sure that's not a Voodoo 6? | Nov 25 14:42 |
| XRevan86 | Is it compatible with water cooling? | Nov 25 14:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mom admits it herself that there's still all kinds of job openings in the area she lives in because all of the people around her are strung out on drugs and don't want to work. | Nov 25 14:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently between benders, they like to blame Mexicans because sure why not. | Nov 25 14:44 |
| MinceR | voodoo's dead | Nov 25 14:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, NVidia bought them out for patents and then kept on churning out their own shittier cards until they were powerful enough to brute force their way past OpenGL, which was poorly made and full of useless shit and self-contradicting features and specs. | Nov 25 14:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The OpenGL nightmare went on for way too long. | Nov 25 14:46 |
| MinceR | still not as poorly made as the gaming-only APIs or direct3d | Nov 25 14:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft was there for years in the beginning to pollute and sabotage it, and try to hijack it with Windows-only features. | Nov 25 14:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then when that mostly went splat, they left and did DirectX. | Nov 25 14:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Direct3d was actually further along in some ways for several years after the split. | Nov 25 14:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After OpenGL 3.0 was finalized there was no longer any clear advantage for Direct3d except that Microsoft forced all the vendors to use the same implementation of Direct3d. | Nov 25 14:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Leading to OpenGL performance that varied wildly, implementations with their own quirks and level of conformance to the standard, etc. | Nov 25 14:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When id Software did some games with OpenGL, it really showed. | Nov 25 14:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For starters, they said just don't use Intel at all. | Nov 25 14:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And then they started optimizing it for NVidia's implementation, so some things looked wrong on ATI and didn't perform well. | Nov 25 14:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At the time, Intel graphics were so bad, MinceR, that you could run Doom 3 on it, but it looked like a slideshow even at the low setting sometimes, and almost as bad as those hacks that got it running on a Voodoo card. | Nov 25 14:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, it really showed | Nov 25 14:54 |
| MinceR | they got some features well ahead of direct3d | Nov 25 14:54 |
| MinceR | and their code was portable | Nov 25 14:54 |
| MinceR | but who cares about that, when you can instead serve the redmond mafia? | Nov 25 14:55 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: big problem with opengl was that the khronos conformance test suite for a long time was NDA only. This is different now with vulkan and the fact the test suite for opengl was finally released. | Nov 25 14:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I noticed a lot of work going on in Mesa to update and conform to the test cases. | Nov 25 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Testsuite now means if some vendor claims they support something third party can run the test suite and go hey don't pull my leg you don't your drivers are defective fix them. | Nov 25 14:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The test cases themselves seemed to be anywhere from slightly wrong to incredibly wrong previously. | Nov 25 14:58 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Their OpenGL implementation improved a lot and before, it was like, almost reverse engineered, and even with Intel and AMD contributing to it. | Nov 25 14:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm certain they had the documentation. | Nov 25 14:59 |
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| oiaohm | Large sections of the Opengl documentation use to be NDA as well. | Nov 25 15:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Developers of everything from video games to web browsers putting quirks in their program to handle Mesa drivers, or just blacklisting. | Nov 25 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Mesa3d was doing a lot of reversing in places and it downright showed. | Nov 25 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Also when you are refersing off closed source that are not following specifications as well you are kind of screwed. | Nov 25 15:00 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080832 | Nov 25 15:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4810513) | Nov 25 15:01 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I'm really glad that The Handmaid's Tale went there and did a backstory in season 2 with flashbacks about the fall of the US government. | Nov 25 15:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was Trumpism and the "enforcers" who would go on to become "Guardians" were ICE. | Nov 25 15:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Almost nailed what was coming if this election had gone the other way, really. | Nov 25 15:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It was almost too bizarre. Years before the Coronavirus. Years before Trump had ICE out attacking and kidnapping Americans. | Nov 25 15:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Years before dozens of far-right terrorists with lots of pro-Trump stuff on their social media were rounded up for trying to do a decapitation strike on the governments of Michigan and Virginia. | Nov 25 15:08 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Here's this story about how the US economy failed, a plague sweeps the country, the birth rate crashed, and a far-right terrorist group is emboldened to go further than Trumpism and just launch a decap strike on the federal government and take over. | Nov 25 15:09 |
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| superkuh | Don't worry. The feds will keep running the assassination program (disposition matrix) within the executive no matter who's in charge. | Nov 25 15:10 |
| superkuh | $nottrump is just getting us there a tiny bit slower. | Nov 25 15:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, it speaks to the dangers of playing to these people to get into power. | Nov 25 15:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At some point they go "This guy isn't doing enough so let's just kill all of them.". | Nov 25 15:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | And what happened to the US in The Handmaid's Tale was sort of like the Iranian Revolution. | Nov 25 15:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the Iranian Revolution, you had a lot of extremists who didn't really like the secular and mostly Free government they lived under. | Nov 25 15:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they launched a decapitation strike and quickly overthrew it and took over before the government could react. And by the time they did, they had a lot of support (or at least weak resistance) from the government itself. The police, the military... | Nov 25 15:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what's going on in the US. | Nov 25 15:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The police and the military are really sympathetic and oftentimes members of these terrorist cells that are pretty much "sleeping" right now. | Nov 25 15:13 |
| schestowitz | if they, they leave | Nov 25 15:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And maybe what we saw in Michigan was one of them "activating" a little too soon and too clumsily. | Nov 25 15:14 |
| schestowitz | the force is too full of people who gross em out | Nov 25 15:14 |
| schestowitz | "former cop"=have arms, trained to kill | Nov 25 15:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think there's a huge division in the military right now. | Nov 25 15:15 |
| schestowitz | "veteran"= saw many dead, another one is no big deal | Nov 25 15:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of them are sympathetic to Trump but are not going to keep following his orders to the extremes necessary to keep him in office, and certainly not after his term expires. | Nov 25 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Former cop depends on what country. | Nov 25 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Not all are trained to kill. | Nov 25 15:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's stance towards Americans who were just standing there holding signs was to launch chemical weapons attacks and blow them over with a helicopter, like enemy soldiers. | Nov 25 15:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This was terrible, and must never be accepted. | Nov 25 15:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People started comparing Mark Esper to Trump's Chemical Ali after that. | Nov 25 15:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But even Esper didn't go as far as Trump wanted and Trump was very irritated and ultimately fired him for that. | Nov 25 15:17 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: UK police officer it is possible to enter the force there serve to retirment and only trained and used baton and ultra bright torch. | Nov 25 15:18 |
| oiaohm | So not trained to kill. But still trained enough to make you wish you had not got on the wrong side of them. | Nov 25 15:19 |
| CrystalMath | BLM terrorists destroyed the stores of innocent black business owners | Nov 25 15:20 |
| CrystalMath | that must never be accepted | Nov 25 15:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 800,000 Americans filed an initial unemployment claim last week. | Nov 25 15:21 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | In an onslaught of Real Economy collapse that has been unrelenting since March. | Nov 25 15:21 |
| CrystalMath | i think Trump didn't do enough to protect people from BLM | Nov 25 15:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If Illinois hadn't enacted a higher minimum wage that is phasing in, I suspect Walmart would be tempted to start cutting wages like Burger King took the opportunity to do in states where it was legal, right off the bat. | Nov 25 15:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then even the people who survived the firings wouldn't make nearly enough to pay their bills. | Nov 25 15:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The economy is becoming more lopsided than it has ever been, with people who can work from home seemingly unaffected in their buying power, whereas companies who have workers who have to show up in person to do actual labor are taking this out on employees who don't make much money to begin with. | Nov 25 15:24 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | We also need to get past this nonsense that Biden will somehow be better for the MAFIAA than Trump, who gave them an entire new Chapter of his NAFTA double down. | Nov 25 15:27 |
| CrystalMath | perhaps they're the same as far as that is concerned | Nov 25 15:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's still going to be bad (use a good VPN with Wireguard support), but Trump already did via "trade treaty" what SOPA and PIPA set out to do, and he actually got it done with very little backlash as part of a deal that also killed blue collar union jobs and set record farm bankruptcies. | Nov 25 15:29 |
| CrystalMath | i know, i was angry about that one | Nov 25 15:30 |
| CrystalMath | however, democrats liked USMCA too | Nov 25 15:32 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/hOWhOltgykzxLBfSidymPpwp/message.txt > | Nov 25 15:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | ... | Nov 25 15:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe that's why mom likes Trump so much, schestowitz | Nov 25 15:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | All three of her husbands have been abusive in various ways. | Nov 25 15:33 |
| CrystalMath | yeah but if you think about it, the public has always been more scared of Trump than was justified | Nov 25 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My dad is a narcissistic control freak, Brian would beat her so badly she had to wear Tammy Faye Baker makeup so thick that it would crack if she smiled, and then Dave had at least 7 sex partners outside of their marriage. | Nov 25 15:34 |
| CrystalMath | ultimately most of the things people feared never happened | Nov 25 15:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If that's what she marries, the pump was already primed to accept a president like that. | Nov 25 15:34 |
| CrystalMath | i on the other hand expected somewhat better from Trump, idk | Nov 25 15:35 |
| CrystalMath | Trump is the promise of something different | Nov 25 15:36 |
| CrystalMath | which didn't happen, either | Nov 25 15:36 |
| CrystalMath | even though it's necessary | Nov 25 15:36 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/697475.png | Nov 25 15:37 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: sorta right, but it's really nasty how the megacorps pushed all the blame onto individuals despite being the greatest polluters that continued to do so throughout | Nov 25 15:38 |
| MinceR | yeah | Nov 25 15:39 |
| MinceR | and they're practically ignoring everything except personal transportation | Nov 25 15:39 |
| MinceR | as if ships or heating of homes produced zero pollution | Nov 25 15:39 |
| CrystalMath | or factories | Nov 25 15:40 |
| kingoffrance | s/nasty/business as usual/ | Nov 25 15:43 |
| CrystalMath | honestly, as a cure for the planet, COVID-19 has been little more than placebo | Nov 25 15:44 |
| kingoffrance | its like schestowitz has said about certain people worried about population ..they exempt themselves first, then rules for everyone else | Nov 25 15:46 |
| kingoffrance | thats totally normal pattern for many things | Nov 25 15:46 |
| schestowitz | true | Nov 25 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/01/26/advocates-of-population-control/ | Nov 25 15:47 |
| schestowitz | too many people | Nov 25 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | ignore my 4 kids | Nov 25 15:47 |
| kingoffrance | ppl have said that also with u.s. corps from 1800s and before...grandfathered in before anti-trust laws to apply to everyone else | Nov 25 15:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nice cartoon | Nov 25 15:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, now the Governor of California has egg all over his face. | Nov 25 15:49 |
| schestowitz | [15:19] <oiaohm> So not trained to kill. But still trained enough to make you wish you had not got on the wrong side of them. | Nov 25 15:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | First for ignoring his own rules to go eat a dinner (mass gathering, no masks, indoors), and now potentially (I hope.) having the Coronavirus. | Nov 25 15:49 |
| kingoffrance | perhaps because no ex post facto laws too | Nov 25 15:49 |
| schestowitz | I like how cops here don't have firearms | Nov 25 15:49 |
| schestowitz | except few | Nov 25 15:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And I say I hope he gets sick because he deserves to. | Nov 25 15:49 |
| schestowitz | I feel SAFER | Nov 25 15:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he can't set a good example, he can at least show the public what happens to people who don't follow these guidelines. | Nov 25 15:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though Mandy has to go to work every day, neither one of us has gotten this as far as I am aware, even over the last 9 months of what's been going on in Illinois. | Nov 25 15:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even with this enormous burden that the governor has placed on us, per capita we're doing no better than Indiana, which has few restrictions other than a mask order. | Nov 25 15:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's the thing. You order the restaurants closed, and idle hands are the devil's workshop, so they go throw house parties or something. | Nov 25 15:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Same shit happens. | Nov 25 15:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Meanwhile, mass destruction of the economy. | Nov 25 15:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People are good at working around systems, and laws are just another system to work around. | Nov 25 15:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not only possible to subvert the law while following it, it's often amusing to do so. | Nov 25 15:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because then you're getting one over on the assholes in charge, they can't do anything about it except watch, and you get the same thing accomplished. | Nov 25 15:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: re your mom | Nov 25 15:56 |
| schestowitz | tell her many people end up using drugs as a result of unemployment or sell drugs BECAUSE they cannot find another job | Nov 25 15:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A psychiatrist could build a career on her. But my grandmother would be more interesting, if they noticed. | Nov 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | it's a cause-effect reversal going on in her mind | Nov 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | it's victim-blaming basically | Nov 25 15:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even when unemployment in Indiana dropped to 2%, there were drugs. | Nov 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | or dehumanising those whom she's patronising | Nov 25 15:57 |
| schestowitz | some drugs can motivate people to work harder | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | even legit jobs | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | many in the US are on legal drugs | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | or various sorts | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | not just so-called antidepressants | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | the list is long | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | what she means by "Drugs" is some particular kind of them | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | like she's on a lot of drugs too | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | to keep herself alive | Nov 25 15:58 |
| schestowitz | *likely | Nov 25 15:59 |
| schestowitz | when they get to 80 and higher they have a whole 'cocktail' of drugs | Nov 25 15:59 |
| schestowitz | just to buy time | Nov 25 15:59 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/697446.jpg | Nov 25 16:00 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i have zero kids | Nov 25 16:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | She said "Don't pātronize me." one day and I shot back, "It's pătronize.". | Nov 25 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Which one is the æ and which one is the diphthong? | Nov 25 16:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The first one would be "He patronizes Walmart quite often.". | Nov 25 16:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like "does business with". | Nov 25 16:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The second one is "Pretending to be kind and helpful, but really being condescending to someone.". | Nov 25 16:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So, by correcting her, I was patronizing her again by explaining the pronunciation in the context she was using the word. | Nov 25 16:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So whenever someone says that and uses the word wrong, you have the opportunity to insult them again by correcting them and smiling. | Nov 25 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: This is literally the first time anyone made that pronunciation distinction. | Nov 25 16:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's subtle, really. | Nov 25 16:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Both the variation of the word and the insult. | Nov 25 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Do you see a subtle difference between missail and missl? | Nov 25 16:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm sure MinceR approves. | Nov 25 16:08 |
| XRevan86 | or between dahta and deita | Nov 25 16:08 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 25 16:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I really like insulting people when it can be weaponized. Like, it catches them off guard and softens them up psychologically so they start making mistakes. | Nov 25 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | A subtle tomeito, tomahto kind of difference there. | Nov 25 16:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's harder to press on with an attack when you take a step back to doubt yourself and start double checking things. | Nov 25 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Works as great as "excuse me, it's spelt "metre", thank you very much" | Nov 25 16:12 |
| XRevan86 | "it's octopodes" | Nov 25 16:14 |
| MinceR | only in certain dialects of english | Nov 25 16:14 |
| MinceR | e.g. in us english, it's "meter" | Nov 25 16:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://blabbermouth.herokuapp.com/news/twisted-sisters-dee-snider-explains-why-were-not-gonna-take-it-is-right-song-for-donald-trump/ | Nov 25 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blabbermouth.herokuapp.com | Twisted Sister's Dee Snider Explains Why 'We're Not Gonna Take It' Is Right Song For Donald Trump - Blabbermouth.net | Nov 25 16:14 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump managed to troll himself. | Nov 25 16:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Are you sure? It would've been such a great DaemonFC-esque insult otherwise. | Nov 25 16:15 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 25 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe there's a subtle difference. | Nov 25 16:16 |
| MinceR | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meter#English https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/metre#English | Nov 25 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | meter - Wiktionary | Nov 25 16:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | metre - Wiktionary | Nov 25 16:16 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not to be confused with Metra. | Nov 25 16:16 |
| MinceR | in some senses there is | Nov 25 16:16 |
| MinceR | but not in the sense of the SI unit :> | Nov 25 16:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The most popular method of taxpayer-financed suicide in the state of Illinois. | Nov 25 16:16 |
| XRevan86 | A kilometre is when you walk and kilometer when you run | Nov 25 16:16 |
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| Mogzagain | Hi guys! | Nov 25 16:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | XRevan86: And when a Metra train runs over someone you call that a killermetra. | Nov 25 16:17 |
| Mogzagain | I've just today seen Figosdev's letter. Had been ill for a few days, so apologies to him for the delay. | Nov 25 16:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: :) | Nov 25 16:17 |
| Mogzagain | Enjoyed reading his response, and have drafted a letter in response. Is Roy around? Just to ask where I can forward my response. | Nov 25 16:17 |
| schestowitz | hi, Mogzagain | Nov 25 16:18 |
| Mogzagain | Hi Roy :-) | Nov 25 16:18 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: I just realised I should've gone for the pronunciation differences: kilòmetre and kilomètre. | Nov 25 16:18 |
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| Mogzagain | Can I send it to you, Roy? There are parts of it I wouldn't want publishing, only because I'm asking Figosdev some questions about some ideas and he shouldn't be put on the spot, but if you wanted to publish some parts, that would be okay. | Nov 25 16:19 |
| Mogzagain | And incase anyone else reading bits would find any ideas helpful. | Nov 25 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How ridiculous can I get before you realise I'm being extremely sarcastic? %) | Nov 25 16:20 |
| MinceR | extremely | Nov 25 16:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I appreciate how The Handmaid's Tale finally gave Aunt Lydia a backstory. | Nov 25 16:20 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: CLI, Tristam Island, GamerOS and Much More • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144741 •●• #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #News [https://pleroma.site/objects/6d33ddef-40fe-4f26-a877-e3635265fa43] | Nov 25 16:20 | |
| Mogzagain | Or give it a read and see if you and figosdev think it's useful in entirety anyway. | Nov 25 16:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About how she was a nice teacher always looking out for children and eventually morphed into a Collaborator. | Nov 25 16:21 |
| schestowitz | [16:19] <Mogzagain> Can I send it to you, Roy? There are parts of it I wouldn't want publishing, only because I'm asking Figosdev some questions about some ideas and he shouldn't be put on the spot, but if you wanted to publish some parts, that would be okay. | Nov 25 16:21 |
| schestowitz | yes, just wait pls | Nov 25 16:21 |
| schestowitz | I am in the middle of something | Nov 25 16:21 |
| Mogzagain | okay | Nov 25 16:21 |
| Mogzagain | no problem | Nov 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | will catch up in a mo | Nov 25 16:22 |
| schestowitz | OK, you say you have a response | Nov 25 16:23 |
| schestowitz | by email or pastebin etc? | Nov 25 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | The subtle difference: a kilomètre is when one needs to walk a distance to meet her and a kilòmetre is when one already met her and needs to walk back. | Nov 25 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I can publish later today | Nov 25 16:23 |
| Mogzagain | but I'd want figosdev to have the choice about what's okay to publish | Nov 25 16:23 |
| Mogzagain | nothing bad, I just don't want him feeling put on the spot | Nov 25 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | Don't confuse the two. | Nov 25 16:23 |
| Mogzagain | can I email it? | Nov 25 16:24 |
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| Mogzagain | looking for an email address, lol | Nov 25 16:25 |
| schestowitz | roy at schestowitz com | Nov 25 16:26 |
| Mogzagain | okay, thanks. will do that now. give it a read and let me know, and as long as figosdev is okay with it too | Nov 25 16:26 |
| schestowitz | he's thick-skinned | Nov 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz | passing it for reviews through 3 peers would be hardening the editing chore | Nov 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz | he can follow up on yours | Nov 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz | he also reads this channel's logs every day | Nov 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz | they're published as html, log, ipfs html and ipfs ra | Nov 25 16:28 |
| schestowitz | *raw | Nov 25 16:28 |
| Mogzagain | great, okay | Nov 25 16:28 |
| Mogzagain | sending it now | Nov 25 16:28 |
| schestowitz | ty | Nov 25 16:28 |
| Mogzagain | all done! | Nov 25 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: I think that the main actual difference may be just how enunciated the word is. | Nov 25 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: give me an hour at most | Nov 25 16:29 |
| Mogzagain | no problem; that's great. I've just had your email acknowledgement come through, so I know it's reached you. Will toddle off for now, and chat later. Thanks. | Nov 25 16:30 |
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| *schestowitz words on the article | Nov 25 16:44 | |
| schestowitz | (letter rather) | Nov 25 16:44 |
| scientes | XRevan86, can you find me that 3eyes video that is cheerful (not the drinking tunes) | Nov 25 16:48 |
| scientes | with his guitar | Nov 25 16:48 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I assume you mean Vysotsky | Nov 25 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Maybe this: https://3ears.com/media/1348 | Nov 25 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-3ears - learn languages with interactive transcript | Nov 25 16:50 | |
| scientes | XRevan86 yeah, thats one | Nov 25 17:02 |
| scientes | XRevan86, did you ever notice that in the Russia FIFA world cup video they do the russian flag horizontally? | Nov 25 17:03 |
| scientes | It lead me to confuse it with a French flag | Nov 25 17:03 |
| *XRevan86 didn't see that. | Nov 25 17:04 | |
| XRevan86 | the FIFA world cup that is | Nov 25 17:04 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the video, or the sporting event? | Nov 25 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: everything | Nov 25 17:05 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fifa+world+cup+song+russia | Nov 25 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | NO TITLE | Nov 25 17:06 | |
| scientes | looks like a french flag cause they screwed up the virtical vs horizontal scan | Nov 25 17:06 |
| scientes | but fresh is blue, white, red | Nov 25 17:06 |
| scientes | not white, blue, red | Nov 25 17:06 |
| scientes | *French | Nov 25 17:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, did you ever go to the Dovstoevsky museum in St. Petersberg? | Nov 25 17:09 |
| *scientes asked you that before | Nov 25 17:09 | |
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| MinceR | (cat) (no audio) https://i.imgur.com/SLAbOCZ.mp4 | Nov 25 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201124/11503545766/will-parler-users-treat-glitch-that-hid-georgia-election-content-same-way-they-treated-twitter-glitch.shtml | Nov 25 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Will Parler Users Treat Its 'Glitch' That Hid Georgia Election Content The Same Way They Treated A Twitter Glitch? | Techdirt | Nov 25 17:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've written in my own name sometimes. | Nov 25 17:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I voted for "Richard Matthew Stallman" to run the Chicago Public Library. | Nov 25 17:39 |
| schestowitz | curously enough | Nov 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | when you search for "Richard Stallman" | Nov 25 17:45 |
| schestowitz | you get quite a few results about US public libraries | Nov 25 17:46 |
| schestowitz | I never got to the bottom of why | Nov 25 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was protesting their promotion of Windows, Overdrive, and Makerbots. | Nov 25 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Interesting that the Republic of Gilead in The Handmaid's Tale is so pro-environment. | Nov 25 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Real life Christians don't really care because they figure the world is ending anyway, but when you get to the top levels of Gilead's government you find out that their High Chancellor is actually a bisexual and most of the men leading the place are wrapped up in prostitution, drinking, gambling.... | Nov 25 17:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole Christian Theocracy thing is a front to scare the hell out of people and rule by intimidation. | Nov 25 17:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/25/donald-trump-campaign-michigan-election-hearing/6419717002/ | Nov 25 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freep.com | Trump camp says Michigan election hearing next week; lawmakers say no | Nov 25 17:50 | |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/inoculate | Nov 25 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Inoculate | Nov 25 18:04 | |
| vZS1 | Mogzagain: try FreeBSD. It's easy to use. Great handbook. No systemd or spyware in default install. | Nov 25 18:27 |
| vZS1 | Package manager works more or less like apt. | Nov 25 18:27 |
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| vZS1 | Big repository of packages and drivers | Nov 25 18:29 |
| schestowitz | he lft | Nov 25 18:31 |
| schestowitz | left | Nov 25 18:31 |
| vZS1 | Might see in the logs | Nov 25 18:32 |
| schestowitz | yup | Nov 25 18:35 |
| vZS1 | I found a browser called Palemoon | Nov 25 18:39 |
| vZS1 | It is similar enough to Firefox to be comfortable to use | Nov 25 18:39 |
| vZS1 | Similar settings layout and key bindings | Nov 25 18:39 |
| vZS1 | Not on ShitHub either | Nov 25 18:40 |
| vZS1 | They develop on self-hosted Gitea | Nov 25 18:40 |
| vZS1 | I've got IPFS links for the binary with the signature, for GNU/Linux, if anyone is interested | Nov 25 18:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/tech/zoom-founder-eric-yuan-risk-takers/index.html | Nov 25 18:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Everyone you know uses Zoom. That wasn't always the plan for founder Eric Yuan - CNN | Nov 25 18:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been avoiding it. | Nov 25 18:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I requested a phone call for my doctor's appointment next month. | Nov 25 18:57 |
| MinceR | freebsd has a CoC so it doesn't have much of a future | Nov 25 18:58 |
| MinceR | also, it's controlled by crApple and microshit | Nov 25 18:58 |
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| Mogzagain | hi again, and thank you for the letter being published ... the parts that you highlighted were great, too, so thanks for that. | Nov 25 19:01 |
| schestowitz | [18:27] <vZS1> Mogzagain: try FreeBSD. It's easy to use. Great handbook. No systemd or spyware in default install. | Nov 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | [18:27] <vZS1> Package manager works more or less like apt. | Nov 25 19:02 |
| schestowitz | [18:29] <vZS1> Big repository of packages and drivers | Nov 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | 25 195829 <@MinceR> freebsd has a CoC so it doesn't have much of a future | Nov 25 19:02 |
| MinceR | 25 195836 <@MinceR> also, it's controlled by crApple and microshit | Nov 25 19:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | System76 having open source firmware fixes a lot of problems, really. | Nov 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not the least of which are the unfixable bugs, sabotage, and "secure boot". | Nov 25 19:03 |
| Mogzagain | that sounds very interesting, Roy, but what's this about crApple and micropoop? | Nov 25 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: ^ | Nov 25 19:04 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: ^ | Nov 25 19:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | uEFI should only be a payload option that works like a BIOS CSM, and only because it was adopted by the industry, which never asks anyone what they want because it doesn't care. | Nov 25 19:04 |
| MinceR | most of the freebsd "users" i've encountered were card-carrying microshit/crApple fanboys looking for "open source" street cred | Nov 25 19:05 |
| Mogzagain | they sound delightful, lol | Nov 25 19:05 |
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| MinceR | they didn't even really use freebsd afaict | Nov 25 19:05 |
| Mogzagain | so they were just telling everyone they're the cool freebsd kids, but aren't involved in any packaging or decisions? | Nov 25 19:06 |
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| Mogzagain | so not cool, lol | Nov 25 19:06 |
| Mogzagain | if freebsd is useable, and a simple way to learn how to manage a BSD install, as long as the crapple/ms mits aren't on the system itself, certainly sounds interesting. | Nov 25 19:09 |
| psydroid | people have been telling me they haven't been able to even get it installed on their x86 hardware and I haven't had good experiences getting recent versions working on non-x86 hardware, so YMMV | Nov 25 19:12 |
| Mogzagain | hmmm, that's a shame. I certainly had issues with non-systemd distros previously; couldn't get any installed. | Nov 25 19:13 |
| Mogzagain | I wonder what that's about. | Nov 25 19:14 |
| Mogzagain | so important that ppl can do these installs, so it's surprising that the installers aren't fixed | Nov 25 19:15 |
| MinceR | have you tried void or devuan? | Nov 25 19:18 |
| psydroid | it's mostly not about the installers, but a lack of hardware support, even if previous versions worked on the same hardware (as in the case of PPC64) | Nov 25 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The virus spread in Illinois is still getting worse even with the new restrictions. | Nov 25 19:19 |
| Mogzagain | I tried installing devuan; no luck. I made a note just yesterday to look at void. just taking a look at the freebsd site, the install page ... just begun reading, so haven't got to their minimum hardware requirements and supported architectures, but, yes, could well be a hardware sulpport issue. | Nov 25 19:20 |
| Mogzagain | what had changed between the working versions and the non-working, when using it on the same hardware? | Nov 25 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How is anything really clean of systemd since so many things rely on it? | Nov 25 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You have to bring in at least part of it, right? | Nov 25 19:20 |
| Mogzagain | yes, it's got a heap load of tentacles, for sure, and, as far as I understand, some non-systemd distros have made kind of hollowed out compatible things? | Nov 25 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was the point of taking over unrelated stuff. | Nov 25 19:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | To put hooks in it and make sure nothing works right without it. | Nov 25 19:22 |
| Mogzagain | yes, that's the bad stuff, the intent | Nov 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | > a lack of hardware support | Nov 25 19:23 |
| MinceR | often what breaks these is simply that the newest installer image has an old kernel | Nov 25 19:23 |
| Mogzagain | oh right; that's something that's at least easier to fix, thankfully | Nov 25 19:23 |
| Mogzagain | odd thing to do, including an old kernel | Nov 25 19:24 |
| Mogzagain | looking at the list of supported processors, not even sure it would install on asus tuff laptop, eek | Nov 25 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20201123/07280445757/comcast-expands-bullshit-usage-capsin-middle-pandemic.shtml#comments | Nov 25 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Comcast Expands Its Bullshit Usage Caps...In The Middle Of A Pandemic | Techdirt | Nov 25 19:31 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | They said "Well, we upped them 20% over the last limit.". | Nov 25 19:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They started out at like 600 GB per month and then went to 1 TB and now 1.2 TB, so they're obviously trying to figure out where most people won't complain to the government about it. | Nov 25 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My guess is bumping it to 1.2 TB was a reaction to the incoming administration. They don't want lots of people with huge bills to demand Title II classification again. | Nov 25 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mo (Spyware from Comcast) Zilla says that Comcast is great. I suppose this DNS over HTTPS more or less subverts your VPN, right? | Nov 25 19:33 |
| Mogzagain | yes, concerning | Nov 25 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | After Mozilla added Comcast as a TRR, they dropped their objections to DoH completely. | Nov 25 19:36 |
| Mogzagain | that's not a good direction at all | Nov 25 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Watching The Handmaid's Tale again. | Nov 25 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Commander Lawrence needs to take advantage of the Waterfords being arrested in Canada and High Commander Winslow being killed and disappeared. | Nov 25 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd take advantage of the power vacuum. They're offering him a promotion in exchange for coming up with a response. He should take it and then figure out a way to manufacture charges of sedition to get his opposition out of the way. | Nov 25 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He can issue an emergency order to have them taken out and executed. | Nov 25 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Before anyone has a chance to respond, he'll be in control of the government and can start a series of reforms. | Nov 25 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, "We have new evidence that traitors among us conspired with the resistance forces to pull this off, and here is who did it! Seize them immediately!". | Nov 25 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing like a purge. | Nov 25 19:45 |
| Mogzagain | sounds like you're enjoying the series | Nov 25 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The ranks of the Commanders have been thinning out pretty quickly so there's few that equal his rank at this point. | Nov 25 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I have been. | Nov 25 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Watching it on Hulu. I got free Hulu on my Sprint bill at one point. | Nov 25 19:47 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080815 | Nov 25 19:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4810088) | Nov 25 19:47 | |
| Mogzagain | cool! | Nov 25 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't do that anymore, but I signed up when they offered it and they never took it away. | Nov 25 19:47 |
| MinceR | 25 202433 < Mogzagain> odd thing to do, including an old kernel | Nov 25 19:47 |
| MinceR | well, usually the image itself is old | Nov 25 19:47 |
| Mogzagain | I see | Nov 25 19:47 |
| Mogzagain | good about them not taking the free Hulu away! | Nov 25 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yep, then my mom gave me her Netflix password, and I gave her a profile on my Hulu. | Nov 25 19:49 |
| Mogzagain | good teamwork there :-) | Nov 25 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, I get free Amazon Prime too because she added me on her "Household". | Nov 25 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I've got three streaming TV apps that I can access and don't pay for. | Nov 25 19:50 |
| Mogzagain | good stuff! | Nov 25 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're giving out overtime like crazy at Walmart right now. | Nov 25 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The online grocery thing is going crazy. | Nov 25 19:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy asked if he could do another day there that his boss offered, so that's like 12 hours pay for working 8. | Nov 25 19:52 |
| Mogzagain | yes, everybody's doing online shopping far more now, and it's possible to get slots now more easily (UK) | Nov 25 19:54 |
| Mogzagain | there's a store called Iceland over here, where I've just started shopping; more local-based, and nice drivers, and free delivery, which is cool | Nov 25 19:55 |
| Mogzagain | that extra pay is a good deal, btw | Nov 25 19:55 |
| vZS1 | Mogzagain: if you want wide platform support you won't find much better than NetBSD but it's not for the casual user. | Nov 25 19:56 |
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| Mogzagain | thanks for suggesting that, vZS1 ... good to know there's such as NetBSD also. It sounds like I may struggle a bit, but I'm reading about a few distros alongside watching the chat, so will take a look. | Nov 25 19:57 |
| vZS1 | What's your CPU architecture? | Nov 25 19:58 |
| Mogzagain | Interesting to see what people use, even though I know I'll prob not manage it, if it's aimed at more than casual users. | Nov 25 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think that we're in for a rough time for the next 8 weeks, but the good news is that Trump barely did any planning at all for what to do if he lost. | Nov 25 19:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're in a mad scramble to figure out what they even can do on the way out right now, which is, obviously better for us than had they planned. | Nov 25 19:59 |
| Mogzagain | the laptops are both asus tuff, amd all the way through. AMD Ryzen R5-3550H, AMD Radeon RX560X 4GB Graphics, 512GB. x86/64. | Nov 25 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'll do totally shoddy rulemaking and then lawsuits will erupt as soon as he's gone, and they'll be overturned and he won't be there to defend them or write replacements. | Nov 25 19:59 |
| vZS1 | You can run FreeBSD just fine. It's the most user-friendly non-Linux option | Nov 25 20:00 |
| Mogzagain | that's awesome news! thank you for confirming that. | Nov 25 20:00 |
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| vZS1 | Do you know how to use either vi(m) or Emacs? | Nov 25 20:00 |
| Mogzagain | oops, no | Nov 25 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The rulemaking even before this was so bad that he's already having his stuff thrown out by the day. | Nov 25 20:01 |
| vZS1 | You should learn the basics of one of those. | Nov 25 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Won't be able to save all of it, and with much of it there'd be no point even trying to. | Nov 25 20:01 |
| Mogzagain | is that what freebsd uses throughout the system, vi(m) and/or emacs? | Nov 25 20:01 |
| vZS1 | Yep | Nov 25 20:01 |
| vZS1 | vi(m) is more widely available so go for that | Nov 25 20:02 |
| Mogzagain | oh dear, lol, but I have watched a vid or two seeing vim used | Nov 25 20:02 |
| Mogzagain | there's no nano, geany, normal terminal? | Nov 25 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm pleased to see that instead of just going back on his promises, Biden says a burst of new rulemaking to overturn Trump's immigration policies, including Public Charge, will be part of the first 100 days. | Nov 25 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Public Charge has already been struck down, along with the new immigration fees. | Nov 25 20:02 |
| vZS1 | I prefer Emacs but vim comes installed by default | Nov 25 20:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if Trump managed to successfully appeal in time, it's on the way out in a matter of months after Biden gets in. | Nov 25 20:03 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/free-will-2 | Nov 25 20:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Free Will | Nov 25 20:03 | |
| Mogzagain | okay | Nov 25 20:03 |
| vZS1 | Not sure about Emacs (it's the more user-friendly of the two) | Nov 25 20:03 |
| Mogzagain | hmm, didn't expect this, lol ... thought it would be an install running on a different kernel etc, but hadn't considered the actual way of using the system. | Nov 25 20:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/25/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-heads-to-gettysburg-as-advisor-has-covid.html | Nov 25 20:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani heads to Gettysburg as advisor has Covid | Nov 25 20:04 | |
| vZS1 | I say this because you really should know one plaintext editor. The others aren't worth the trouble. | Nov 25 20:05 |
| vZS1 | You'll find yourself needing to edit some files from the terminal, on occasion. | Nov 25 20:06 |
| Mogzagain | I'm such a gui/visual person, very used to the normal terminal and such as nano etc. And I'm terrible at using shortcuts, lol; I can't keep them in my head. | Nov 25 20:06 |
| vZS1 | You don't need to learn any shortcuts | Nov 25 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He should have gone to Sharpsburg. | Nov 25 20:06 |
| vZS1 | Just learn how to edit a file and save it. | Nov 25 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was a major Union victory over the Confederates. Would have been more fitting. | Nov 25 20:07 |
| Mogzagain | hmm, I've been watching the wrong videos; must have been a shortcut-loving person I watched, lol | Nov 25 20:07 |
| Mogzagain | what files would need editing from the terminal? | Nov 25 20:07 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. That's all a waste of time for the most part. | Nov 25 20:07 |
| vZS1 | Usually when you end up in a situation when the GUI goes tits up | Nov 25 20:08 |
| Mogzagain | lol haha | Nov 25 20:08 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Performance Impact To #POWER9 ’s Eager L1d Cache Flushing Fix • sǝuıɥɔɐɯ xnʇ ☞ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144749 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b7183855-9ccf-4312-9fc6-a7d5cd50d421] | Nov 25 20:08 | |
| Mogzagain | may the GUIs work perfectly always, lol | Nov 25 20:08 |
| vZS1 | You can install KDE on FreeBSD | Nov 25 20:09 |
| vZS1 | It's in the handbook | Nov 25 20:09 |
| vZS1 | Section 5.7 | Nov 25 20:09 |
| vZS1 | 5.7.2. KDE | Nov 25 20:10 |
| vZS1 | I recommend that DE (desktop environment). It's got a lot of utilities, is very user-friendly, and will run just fine with your specs | Nov 25 20:10 |
| vZS1 | If you already know nano, you don't need to learn another terminal editor | Nov 25 20:11 |
| vZS1 | All you need to know is how to edit and save a file in a terminal | Nov 25 20:11 |
| Mogzagain | I used to run KDE actually, last year, then switched to Mate | Nov 25 20:11 |
| Mogzagain | and, yes, I like nano | Nov 25 20:12 |
| Mogzagain | I can do a few edits in that | Nov 25 20:12 |
| Mogzagain | I've found section 5.7 | Nov 25 20:13 |
| vZS1 | You will need to install nano first. I don't think FreeBSD ships it by default | Nov 25 20:13 |
| Mogzagain | hitting the chroot issue there, yes ... for me it is, lol, not for most other users | Nov 25 20:13 |
| Mogzagain | nice that xfce is available too, not that I use it right now, but possibly nearest to Mate | Nov 25 20:14 |
| vZS1 | Here is the install process for nano: | Nov 25 20:15 |
| vZS1 | $ portsnap fetch update | Nov 25 20:15 |
| vZS1 | $ cd /usr/ports/editors/nano | Nov 25 20:15 |
| vZS1 | $ make install clean | Nov 25 20:15 |
| vZS1 | $ ln -s /usr/local/bin/nano /usr/bin/nano | Nov 25 20:16 |
| vZS1 | That should work, more or less, as is. | Nov 25 20:16 |
| Mogzagain | thank you! I'll note that down now. | Nov 25 20:16 |
| vZS1 | If you prefer Xfce, go for it. Just stick to the officially supported stuff to save your own time and sanity. | Nov 25 20:17 |
| Mogzagain | that's entirely the plan; I know what happens if I try outside of that, lol | Nov 25 20:18 |
| Mogzagain | do you know how things are about graphics tablets on FreeBSD? do they tend to be supported? | Nov 25 20:19 |
| vZS1 | The FreeBSD handbook has everything you need. Head over to their IRC, if you have questions. | Nov 25 20:19 |
| Mogzagain | good stuff; thanks for advice! | Nov 25 20:19 |
| vZS1 | I don't know about graphics tablets. Let me check. | Nov 25 20:19 |
| Mogzagain | thank you! | Nov 25 20:20 |
| vZS1 | Yw | Nov 25 20:20 |
| vZS1 | What kind of graphics tablet do you have? | Nov 25 20:20 |
| Mogzagain | it's an xp-pen deco | Nov 25 20:20 |
| vZS1 | I have one of those too | Nov 25 20:21 |
| Mogzagain | oh cool! | Nov 25 20:21 |
| Mogzagain | what do you enjoy using it for? blender or draw/paint or other things? | Nov 25 20:21 |
| vZS1 | I use the DIGImend drivers | Nov 25 20:22 |
| vZS1 | Presentations and when I'm teaching | Nov 25 20:22 |
| Mogzagain | yes, same here ... and you use them on FreeBSD? | Nov 25 20:22 |
| Mogzagain | that sounds great ... do you teach computing? | Nov 25 20:22 |
| vZS1 | I don't know about FreeBSD. I've only really used it as a development machine. | Nov 25 20:22 |
| Mogzagain | I see. I'd presumed you were on FreeBSD there. | Nov 25 20:22 |
| vZS1 | I only use it for servers | Nov 25 20:23 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. I teach computing stuff | Nov 25 20:23 |
| Mogzagain | I see | Nov 25 20:23 |
| *schestowitz just woke up | Nov 25 20:23 | |
| Mogzagain | and great to be able to use the Deco for that | Nov 25 20:23 |
| Mogzagain | morning, Roy ... good sleep? | Nov 25 20:23 |
| vZS1 | Hold on. still searching | Nov 25 20:23 |
| Mogzagain | thank you! | Nov 25 20:23 |
| *schestowitz works 1am-9am tonight | Nov 25 20:23 | |
| Mogzagain | long hours! | Nov 25 20:24 |
| schestowitz | gotta make a living, man.... | Nov 25 20:24 |
| Mogzagain | you ain't wrong | Nov 25 20:24 |
| Mogzagain | 16 hours on the trot is a long day! | Nov 25 20:24 |
| vZS1 | I don't think there's any graphics driver support. So might have to stick to Linux | Nov 25 20:27 |
| Mogzagain | oh no | Nov 25 20:28 |
| vZS1 | Could only find Wacom | Nov 25 20:28 |
| vZS1 | You should look into Void. It's quite similar to FreeBSD | Nov 25 20:28 |
| Mogzagain | I use libwacom in with things, so there's a chance it might just pick it up. | Nov 25 20:28 |
| vZS1 | No systemd | Nov 25 20:28 |
| Mogzagain | I've just bookmarked Void, as it was suggested earlier in the chat ... got a few FreeBSD pages open, and will take a look at Void as well, for sure | Nov 25 20:29 |
| Mogzagain | yes, away from systemd is a good direction to go | Nov 25 20:29 |
| Mogzagain | thanks for suggesting it also | Nov 25 20:30 |
| Mogzagain | good to know which alternatives ppl are using/recommend | Nov 25 20:30 |
| vZS1 | If you want to try the wacom drivers, you can try https://wiki.freebsd.org/WacomTablet | Nov 25 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.freebsd.org | WacomTablet - FreeBSD Wiki | Nov 25 20:31 | |
| Mogzagain | cool; thanks! | Nov 25 20:31 |
| schestowitz | do you know david revoy? | Nov 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | he got a new PC, uses some gnu favour on it | Nov 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | he does lots of krita | Nov 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | ona tablet | Nov 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | *on a | Nov 25 20:32 |
| vZS1 | @sche | Nov 25 20:32 |
| Mogzagain | thanks for that link, and, yes, I know of David, and often check out his site to see what he's running, but haven't done it for a while. I think it was Kubuntu the last time I checked? | Nov 25 20:32 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: who ya asking? | Nov 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | he's not super-technical | Nov 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | he's an artist | Nov 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | who loves s/w freedom | Nov 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: he had a new book recently, carrots and something | Nov 25 20:33 |
| Mogzagain | he's great at explaining the tech. | Nov 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | sold over 1000 copies in a week or two | Nov 25 20:33 |
| Mogzagain | lol, carrots and something! | Nov 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: Mogzagain is the artistic kind | Nov 25 20:34 |
| Mogzagain | Pepper and Carrot, lol | Nov 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | we need them | Nov 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | also for techrights | Nov 25 20:34 |
| vZS1 | We do indeed | Nov 25 20:34 |
| Mogzagain | heck yes, super artistic-y | Nov 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm good at drawing, but lack the time to practice any longer | Nov 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | sometimes we need graphics to explain or show things | Nov 25 20:34 |
| vZS1 | I spend most my waking hours doing something related to system administration | Nov 25 20:34 |
| Mogzagain | wow, that's a lot of copies to sell in just one week! | Nov 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | "It all stopped around the age of 15." It all stopped around the age of 15. | Nov 25 20:35 |
| Mogzagain | yes, if there's arty stuff needs doing, I'd be glad to | Nov 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/art.htm | Nov 25 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Art | Nov 25 20:35 | |
| vZS1 | Have helped out quite a few artists with their setup | Nov 25 20:35 |
| Mogzagain | tell me what graphics you need, and I can sort that out | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Tip-X art http://schestowitz.com/Art/Childhood_Art/1997-1999/Earthworm_Jim_2_1997.jpg | Nov 25 20:36 |
| vZS1 | Mogzagain: which tools do you run as your main staples? | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | I think I must have been 15 when I jotted this http://schestowitz.com/Art/Childhood_Art/1997-1999/Globe_1999.jpg | Nov 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: things for free software advocacy | Nov 25 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I have some things in mind | Nov 25 20:37 |
| schestowitz | what tools are you preferring? colour, mono? | Nov 25 20:37 |
| Mogzagain | I'm taking a look now at age 15 Roy's work ... definite promise there! for real. You're getting the shading, the details, the proportions. Good stuff! | Nov 25 20:37 |
| Mogzagain | I like that Earthworm Jim! | Nov 25 20:38 |
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| Mogzagain | tools? do you mean art program, or general software? | Nov 25 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I was into penciling, or doing the same with ballpens at school http://schestowitz.com/Art/Childhood_Art/1997-1999/Equipment_1998.jpg | Nov 25 20:39 |
| vZS1 | Art programs | Nov 25 20:39 |
| Mogzagain | Roy, I can do colour/mono, whatever you want. | Nov 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Art/Childhood_Art/1993-1996/Gladiators_1994.jpg | Nov 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | age 12, I think | Nov 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | progress stalled when I got into programming around 15 http://schestowitz.com/Art/Childhood_Art/2002/images.html | Nov 25 20:40 |
| Mogzagain | this is really good! you can tell in the equipment artwork that you're measuring the shapes really well! | Nov 25 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Childhood Drawings and Art | Nov 25 20:40 | |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: so anyway, about free softwarwe | Nov 25 20:40 |
| schestowitz | we need advocacy things | Nov 25 20:40 |
| schestowitz | like the ones FSF makes | Nov 25 20:40 |
| schestowitz | and maybe things about patent policy in Europe | Nov 25 20:40 |
| Mogzagain | even seeing just a few pieces, you can see a definite style in your artworks; it's really cool | Nov 25 20:40 |
| schestowitz | we write a lot about EPO | Nov 25 20:41 |
| Mogzagain | I love the little characters | Nov 25 20:41 |
| Mogzagain | advocacy things? so dtp with some illustrations? | Nov 25 20:41 |
| schestowitz | we need graphics about EPO | Nov 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | we got someone sending in caricatures sometimes | Nov 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | but nothing so professional | Nov 25 20:42 |
| Mogzagain | I'd need you to tell me exactly what to be including. I'd just be the visual production part. | Nov 25 20:42 |
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| vZS1 | Those 19th and 20th century caricatures would be a nice style | Nov 25 20:43 |
| vZS1 | For the EPO stuff | Nov 25 20:43 |
| Mogzagain | whatever you want, I can find refs, work something up, chuck you a sketch or two, and see what you think. | Nov 25 20:43 |
| vZS1 | robber barons and their ilk | Nov 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | The cartoon here was done for us by a professional cartoonist http://techrights.org/2017/12/05/epo-enrages-the-powerless/ | Nov 25 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Patent Office Enrages the Powerless to Empower the Super-Powerful (Outside Europe) | Techrights | Nov 25 20:43 | |
| Mogzagain | that's interesting; I'll look up the 19th and 20th century caricatures! | Nov 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | based on our amaterish cartoon | Nov 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | we right now protest covid-19 policy in EPO | Nov 25 20:44 |
| Mogzagain | I could do that, no problem; glad to do something | Nov 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | November articles http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO#November | Nov 25 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Nov 25 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | we can advertise work you do to get points across as cartoons | Nov 25 20:45 |
| Mogzagain | not superkeen on political stuff though, I should probably say | Nov 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | most of their employees (~7,000) read Techrights and can enjoy cartoons | Nov 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | EPO is patents, not to political | Nov 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | right now many workers there fell stranded | Nov 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | and juggle looking after kids and keeping up with patent 'production | Nov 25 20:46 |
| Mogzagain | free software stuff, all good, but I do keep away from political | Nov 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | we can make cartoons about that | Nov 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | ok, so not EPO | Nov 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | how about OSI? | Nov 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | we can make fun of their corporate takeover | Nov 25 20:46 |
| schestowitz | also Linux Foundation's | Nov 25 20:46 |
| Mogzagain | cartoons sounds fun! | Nov 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | do you know Jim Zemlin? | Nov 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | can you draw him as cartoon? | Nov 25 20:47 |
| Mogzagain | my idea of hell drawing government figures etc, lol | Nov 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | same for Torvalds and Greg G-H | Nov 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | K-H | Nov 25 20:47 |
| Mogzagain | but, as long as it's not political party stuff, or covid, I should say also, we can work something out, no problem | Nov 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | they're geeks | Nov 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | we can make a cartoon with Torvalds | Nov 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | about how he's bossed by Microsoft employees now | Nov 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | and maybe something about him not being allowed to say some things | Nov 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | because, as you know, the companies try to limit the speech or participation of critics | Nov 25 20:49 |
| Mogzagain | eek, I hadn't considered this fully. I suppose I imagined it would be general free software stuff. | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | that's what FSF does | Nov 25 20:49 |
| Mogzagain | I wasn't even sure what that would involve, maybe only went as far as wallpaper so far, lol. | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | fluff and 'cute' things | Nov 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | not strong advocacy from FSF anymore | Nov 25 20:49 |
| Mogzagain | I don't really keep up with all the icky stuff, and I know this is sounding like there's a very narrow chance I'd paint something, but there must be things I can do, and I'm sure we can work that out. | Nov 25 20:50 |
| Mogzagain | I'm able to draw these ppl, but I'm not keen on them and have a big policy of ignoring them, lol | Nov 25 20:50 |
| Mogzagain | can't stand that Greg | Nov 25 20:50 |
| vZS1 | You can be an artist advocate for free software | Nov 25 20:50 |
| vZS1 | That in itself is a big part of what we need | Nov 25 20:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | and it's not political | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | per se | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | it helps us express ideas | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | and humour people aware of these ideas | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | it might even humour those whom you draq | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | we don't mock the geek | Nov 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | but the situation they're in | Nov 25 20:51 |
| vZS1 | A gagged Torvalds would be pretty funny | Nov 25 20:52 |
| vZS1 | and accurate | Nov 25 20:52 |
| Mogzagain | I suppose it could be called fluff/cute, but more stuff that doesn't have associations with politics or icky ppl. Fine art, general painting/drawing, etc, and some anime/cartoon stuff, but I stick with things that brighten stuff up and are fun, and I get down about these icky ppl, tbh | Nov 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I am really not good at drawing a person based on a given template of that person; it eventually looks like a different person | Nov 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: like the famous gagged Assange images | Nov 25 20:52 |
| Mogzagain | sounds good, vZA1 | Nov 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | with a bandanna or balaclava saying Microsoft on it | Nov 25 20:52 |
| Mogzagain | and what are the best ways to advocate? | Nov 25 20:53 |
| schestowitz | humour can help | Nov 25 20:53 |
| schestowitz | and that spreads | Nov 25 20:53 |
| vZS1 | RMS with an armoury worth of knives in his back would also be apt | Nov 25 20:53 |
| schestowitz | people pass around the cartoons | Nov 25 20:53 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: but it's genetic | Nov 25 20:53 |
| Mogzagain | my natural response to a gagged cartoon of Torvalds would be to paint the opposite, as I'm always focussing on how ppl can break free of stuff, so painting him stood on ms's carcass would appeal, lol haha | Nov 25 20:54 |
| schestowitz | maybe add Gates and Epstein, add MIT building | Nov 25 20:54 |
| schestowitz | to show how he's used to distract from what they did in MIT | Nov 25 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: so rip of the mask | Nov 25 20:54 |
| Mogzagain | lol, we all do that sometimes; takes a lot of measuring out and checking e.g. the eye with the corner of the nose, etc | Nov 25 20:54 |
| vZS1 | Torvalds isn't breaking free of anything | Nov 25 20:54 |
| schestowitz | and show Torvalds breaking free of it | Nov 25 20:54 |
| schestowitz | of the impediment to speech | Nov 25 20:54 |
| schestowitz | like a ripped off mouth cover | Nov 25 20:55 |
| schestowitz | with some logo on it | Nov 25 20:55 |
| vZS1 | But it would be nice to see it in art | Nov 25 20:55 |
| Mogzagain | yes, fun and humour and freedom ... all good | Nov 25 20:55 |
| Mogzagain | RMS firing those knives back, peacefully of course, while meditating or something, lol | Nov 25 20:55 |
| schestowitz | as in, screw your p-c gag police | Nov 25 20:55 |
| vZS1 | I like the RMS idea more | Nov 25 20:55 |
| schestowitz | with de raadt portrayed as a rat... hell no | Nov 25 20:56 |
| Mogzagain | for example, the WINE article ... a glass of wine, with muscular arms etc and it's hand up saying 'no' to represent those who aren't the mole, and the mole getting pointed at disapprovingly | Nov 25 20:56 |
| Mogzagain | yes, ripping off the mask sounds a good idea | Nov 25 20:57 |
| vZS1 | Those are some good ideas | Nov 25 20:57 |
| Mogzagain | yes, and he surely has plenty of money in the bank, and could afford to make a big stand, is the thought I can't get out of my head | Nov 25 20:58 |
| Mogzagain | even on the level of valuing the work he put in for all these years | Nov 25 20:58 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux - about 2 hours ago [https://pleroma.site/objects/a2f4e75c-d5be-48aa-9fda-a1fc446a5488] | Nov 25 20:58 | |
| Mogzagain | a braveheart 'freedom!' written on the mask | Nov 25 20:58 |
| Mogzagain | vZS1, what are you referring to that would be nice to see it in art? | Nov 25 20:59 |
| Mogzagain | exactly, screw 'em | Nov 25 20:59 |
| Mogzagain | lol | Nov 25 20:59 |
| Mogzagain | for real! | Nov 25 20:59 |
| vZS1 | Positive depictions of the disasters we've had to deal with the last year and this year. | Nov 25 20:59 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Canonical Allies With Docker Inc. on Secure Containers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144734#comment-27244 [https://pleroma.site/objects/02d2db38-37b9-423d-8248-ea3c2b605e67] | Nov 25 20:59 | |
| Mogzagain | a lot of fun to play with these ideas! | Nov 25 20:59 |
| Mogzagain | I can certainly rustle something up, if there's one of the ideas stands out | Nov 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | [20:57] <Mogzagain> yes, ripping off the mask sounds a good idea | Nov 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I know it can be hard to draw | Nov 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | a torn item with a logo still showing | Nov 25 21:00 |
| Mogzagain | Great! yes, I'm a strong believer in turning things round to the positive, where ppl can get to tap into that feeling of power and winning over stuff. | Nov 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | we can use and reuse such cartoon | Nov 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | we often reuse things, esp. ones that took a lot of effort to make | Nov 25 21:01 |
| Mogzagain | don't worry, it wouldn't be hard to draw ... just doodle it, find a ref, tidy it up | Nov 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe a WSL cartoon also | Nov 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | the thing we need to convey is | Nov 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | this is NOT Linux | Nov 25 21:01 |
| Mogzagain | hard with a longish word though, a bit, unless he was carrying a spare that was hanging from his coat pocket, where the full word shows | Nov 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | it's Linux subsystem on WIndows | Nov 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | not what the same says | Nov 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | and you can paint malicious microsofters spying with magnifying glasses on WSL "useds" [sic] | Nov 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | and WSL made of logo | Nov 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | because it's really just a toy | Nov 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | to keep people from trying the Real Thing | Nov 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | another one is Edge | Nov 25 21:03 |
| Mogzagain | anything that's a good strong visual, making it very clear what is a good focus/positive | Nov 25 21:03 |
| schestowitz | lots of things that can be conveyed in cartoon | Nov 25 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | would it be good to start a anti-corporate fork of linux? | Nov 25 21:03 |
| MinceR | yes | Nov 25 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | kinda like the people's linux | Nov 25 21:03 |
| schestowitz | too much work | Nov 25 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | idk | Nov 25 21:03 |
| MinceR | but it would also be difficult | Nov 25 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it's a boring kernel | Nov 25 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | it is, but | Nov 25 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | monolithic is still the way i think | Nov 25 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | and simple is good | Nov 25 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it's just something companies throw drivers at | Nov 25 21:03 |
| Mogzagain | little tiny ms ppl in the shadows, and free software/linux towering above, with lots of light and colour | Nov 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | here is one I made ages ago | Nov 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | and became very popular | Nov 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | maybe 12 years ago... | Nov 25 21:04 |
| *schestowitz fetches | Nov 25 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/gnu-pc-mac-small.png | Nov 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I was surprised how popular it became | Nov 25 21:05 |
| Mogzagain | I think figosdev is referencing tidying up a very small distro as an option that can be easily maintained? | Nov 25 21:05 |
| Mogzagain | that would be anti-corporate | Nov 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | yes, 12 years ago, based on the URL | Nov 25 21:05 |
| Mogzagain | not linux though ... BSD | Nov 25 21:05 |
| CrystalMath | Mogzagain: that's okay | Nov 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | it was simple | Nov 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | at the time of "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" | Nov 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | I added the missing piece | Nov 25 21:06 |
| schestowitz | silhouetted | Nov 25 21:06 |
| Mogzagain | good graphic! I can see it with lots of colour as well. | Nov 25 21:06 |
| Mogzagain | or the speech bubble could say something like 'we need to be a part of this!' or something similar | Nov 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | no, we don't | Nov 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | that's the point | Nov 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | they talk shit and lying to people | Nov 25 21:07 |
| Mogzagain | oops, I misread, lol | Nov 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | we do science | Nov 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | we make things that work | Nov 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | they waste billions advertising to mislead people | Nov 25 21:08 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: there are things that i add to the kernel | Nov 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | and gnu is vastly bigger | Nov 25 21:08 |
| Mogzagain | I was already onto doing a colour version of all the good stuff, so didn't read it properly. sorry about that. | Nov 25 21:08 |
| CrystalMath | idk, i suppose i could just upload patches | Nov 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | CrystalMath: better hurry up, you are almst 30! | Nov 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | linux turned 50 | Nov 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | *linus | Nov 25 21:08 |
| Mogzagain | a nice graphic with those who are anti-coporate could be good | Nov 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | linux is 30 soon | Nov 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | so you would kill it | Nov 25 21:08 |
| Mogzagain | *anti-corporate | Nov 25 21:09 |
| CrystalMath | you know that what i said | Nov 25 21:09 |
| CrystalMath | was a joking reference | Nov 25 21:09 |
| CrystalMath | to the film Logan's Run? | Nov 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Mogzagain: it's not even anti-corporate | Nov 25 21:09 |
| CrystalMath | great movie, i recommend it | Nov 25 21:09 |
| Mogzagain | I know, yes; just onto an idea inspired by your graphic | Nov 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | many of us are not anti-capitalist, but anti-oligarchs-messing-about-with-communities | Nov 25 21:09 |
| Mogzagain | if we clarify who is free software supporting, and include them all in a visual, that could be nice | Nov 25 21:09 |
| schestowitz | there are companies that give to Linux without infiltrating and undermining communities | Nov 25 21:09 |
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| Mogzagain | that's cool | Nov 25 21:10 |
| schestowitz | hi, ylevental | Nov 25 21:10 |
| CrystalMath | schestowitz: i'm like that, i'm anti-corporate but not anti-capitalist | Nov 25 21:10 |
| CrystalMath | i support small businesses | Nov 25 21:10 |
| schestowitz | ylevental: see http://techrights.org/2020/11/18/epo-disability/ | Nov 25 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the EPO During Corona: The Office Management Never Cared About the Well-being of Staff (and Still Doesn’t) | Techrights | Nov 25 21:10 | |
| CrystalMath | and independent workers | Nov 25 21:10 |
| schestowitz | it's the new 'woke' thing | Nov 25 21:10 |
| CrystalMath | freelancers | Nov 25 21:10 |
| ylevental | Hello, schestowitz. I saw this today http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/the-microsoft-rip-artic I was more right than I thought apparently | Nov 25 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Tragic Stories of Microsoft Mishandling People With Special Needs (to the Point Where Some Needlessly Die) | Techrights | Nov 25 21:10 | |
| schestowitz | all the massive Pentagon contractors and patent offices love disabilities!! | Nov 25 21:11 |
| ylevental | And I will check out the other link | Nov 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | ylevental: you cannot even say "disabled anymore' | Nov 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | not it's "specially abled" | Nov 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | and some other P-C gobbledegook | Nov 25 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Carlin warned about this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asZ1R-Xylj4 | Nov 25 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-George Carlin Political Correctness is fascism pretending to be Manners (archived mirrored vid) - YouTube | Nov 25 21:12 | |
| ylevental | Sadly, that is true :o | Nov 25 21:12 |
| CrystalMath | absolutely | Nov 25 21:13 |
| Mogzagain | that's so bad, as it seems they're trying to make out the disabled don't need help ... really bad seeing how organisations like this put on a false front about caring for vulnerable ppl, yet treat them horribly in private | Nov 25 21:13 |
| ylevental | the time I wrote my last piece on Microsoft and autism back in 2017, I was working at an IT company that claimed to provide customized jobs for people with autism. Looking back, they actually knew nothing about autism. It's just used as marketing, and it's pretty common nowadays | Nov 25 21:14 |
| Mogzagain | yes, they probably get some extra funds if they employ a certain percentage of disabled ppl? | Nov 25 21:15 |
| Mogzagain | or e.g. ppl with autism | Nov 25 21:15 |
| ylevental | They use a very loose definition of disability, so even people that are borderline-normal get preference. It's just not wanting to deal with the actual problem | Nov 25 21:16 |
| Mogzagain | yes, for sure, they won't treat disabled ppl well, but will try to turn any things that helped the disabled towards themselves | Nov 25 21:16 |
| Mogzagain | getting extra funds for bringing in disabled ppl, then that money most likely goes on things for themselves | Nov 25 21:17 |
| schestowitz | ylevental: also read http://techrights.org/2019/10/20/understanding-autism/ | Nov 25 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: Understanding Autism for More Complete Inclusion | Techrights | Nov 25 21:18 | |
| schestowitz | long time, need catching up on these issues | Nov 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm not qualified to comment on them credibly | Nov 25 21:18 |
| schestowitz | but corporate exploitation of such condition is in full swing | Nov 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | rebuttals are well overdue | Nov 25 21:19 |
| ylevental | I will check that out | Nov 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Nov 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | I didn't have your contacts | Nov 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | but thought you would find that of relevance | Nov 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | someone mentioned you here some months ago | Nov 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | cannot recall who or the context | Nov 25 21:20 |
| ylevental | Oh, I see | Nov 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | you were also write about "Donald" and "the Bill" http://techrights.org/2020/10/25/donald-trump-and-bill-gates/ | Nov 25 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Donald Trump Helped Bill Gates Increase His Wealth by More Than 50%, Especially During the Pandemic | Techrights | Nov 25 21:21 | |
| ylevental | Wow, the fundamental difference is that Gates is more intelligent, but he is on the side of the wealthy | Nov 25 21:22 |
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| ylevental | Regarding technology, I am still using Linux, and nothing can change that | Nov 25 21:23 |
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| ylevental | I have to go now, but I might pop in occasionally. I am on twitter@YuvalLevental. My email is yhl3051 at rit dot edu | Nov 25 21:27 |
| schestowitz | ok, cya | Nov 25 21:27 |
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| Mogzagain | hey Roy; I've just been looking some more at your Art site, and seeing there are various banners and avatars and images. I'll pick some ideas from there, and get a couple of bits done and email you them when they're ready. Just so you can get an idea of the kind of thing, and incase you like them and want to use them. | Nov 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | sure, sounds great! | Nov 25 21:30 |
| Mogzagain | good stuff! I look forward to painting them, and to your reaction! Hope you enjoy them. Should be some time over the next week. :-) | Nov 25 21:31 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Nov 25 21:32 |
| schestowitz | will help our advocacy a lot | Nov 25 21:32 |
| schestowitz | for users' freedom | Nov 25 21:32 |
| Mogzagain | you're very welcome, and I'm glad to help out with something so important and that ppl can enjoy. | Nov 25 21:32 |
| Mogzagain | I'll head off now. Have a great evening! :-) | Nov 25 21:34 |
| schestowitz | you too | Nov 25 21:34 |
| Mogzagain | thanks :-) | Nov 25 21:34 |
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