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| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: by the USA death toll the USA was 22 days a little wile back from max infection if nothing was done to stop it. So 60 days to no more problem if you did not care about death toll or broken medical system. | Mar 26 00:47 |
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| tedbox | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries | Mar 26 00:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | Coronavirus Update (Live): 468,644 Cases and 21,191 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Outbreak - Worldometer | Mar 26 00:55 | |
| tedbox | DaemonFC[m]: USA will be #1 for cases in 2-3 days | Mar 26 00:55 |
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| oiaohm | roy_on_tedbox: https://www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/ I would agree particular when you look at china information and with treatment you are expecting a death rate under 0.7 percent. | Mar 26 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cebm.net | Global Covid-19 Case Fatality Rates - CEBM | Mar 26 01:00 | |
| oiaohm | USA numbers of dead is higher than where it should be if they were detecting most cases for sure. | Mar 26 01:00 |
| roy_on_tedbox | yeah | Mar 26 01:01 |
| roy_on_tedbox | many die in the US regardless | Mar 26 01:01 |
| roy_on_tedbox | esp. the poor | Mar 26 01:01 |
| roy_on_tedbox | they won"t "waste" money testing them | Mar 26 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes the USA is likely to have under reporting of covid-19 deaths as well. | Mar 26 01:01 |
| roy_on_tedbox | "another poor man/lady dead... no INSURANCE..." | Mar 26 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Australia is running at like .4 % of death that low due to number of active cases USA is running at 1.4% of death again with lots of active cases. China number says at end you should be look at under 0.7% | Mar 26 01:07 |
| oiaohm | USA is running in death doulbe what is should be. | Mar 26 01:07 |
| oiaohm | So inffected numbers x2 and things are looking way worse. | Mar 26 01:07 |
| oiaohm | double is being Conservative | Mar 26 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Could be as far as 20 to 40 times under reported. | Mar 26 01:08 |
| oiaohm | As we are getting more exact numbers covid-19 death rate is not that bad as long as your medicial system does not get over run. | Mar 26 01:09 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of italy death tole could be medical system failure. | Mar 26 01:10 |
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| oiaohm | You do have to note china current number of 4 percent death is high because they got over run medically. | Mar 26 01:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | oiaohm: A lot of the dying from COVID-19 is Republicans finally laying down their own lives as victims of the shitty expensive healthcare system they told us was so fantastic and now our death rate is double what it is in first world countries. | Mar 26 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'd rather be dead than wrong. | Mar 26 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're motivated.... | Mar 26 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Illinois, the death rate is less than half of what it is in Indiana. They decided that it was more important to have work requirements than to take care of their people, and now they see where that got them. | Mar 26 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you ration who lives and who dies, you check their insurance and then decide which person is in worse need of care based on how much it pays. So the people with no insurance get the boot first, even if they are actually in much worse shape. | Mar 26 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like any hospital wants to admit someone with no insurance card or HIP Medicaid over someone with a Cadillac Plan. | Mar 26 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They prioritize based on how much money they can make. | Mar 26 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the beds overflow, they start deciding that people with HIP can go die. Then when that's not enough, they look at which patient's insurance company pays them higher negotiated rates. | Mar 26 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we'll have more people dying here because their care is not based on who needs it more. | Mar 26 01:22 |
| roy_on_tedbox | bbl | Mar 26 01:23 |
| roy_on_tedbox | anyway, historians will estimate deaths and cases by extrapolation | Mar 26 01:24 |
| roy_on_tedbox | not these "official" figures | Mar 26 01:24 |
| roy_on_tedbox | there are already many millions of cases/positives, but few are confirmed | Mar 26 01:24 |
| roy_on_tedbox | and in most countries they won't waste test kids on those who are already dead | Mar 26 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, they're doing everything to keep the count down and we're still approaching Italy officially. | Mar 26 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's very bad here. | Mar 26 01:25 |
| roy_on_tedbox | no point to it, other than "cause of death" or stats that make the country look worse | Mar 26 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, nobody to bill. | Mar 26 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | What are they going to do? Threaten to turn your corpse over to a collection agency? | Mar 26 01:25 |
| oiaohm | One of the big things for Australia is the governement is working out how important local manufacture of particular things are. | Mar 26 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I should have about 25 BATs or so by the next time I get paid by Brave. | Mar 26 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably donate most of them to Tor. | Mar 26 01:37 |
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| scientes | What could Google possibly be doing with all the magnetic tape drives they are buying? | Mar 26 07:34 |
| scientes | I just don't see the use of those | Mar 26 07:34 |
| scientes | who has that much data WORTH keeping? | Mar 26 07:34 |
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| scientes | about the only place I can see those making sense is to record raw video---because it fundamentally is a linear data stream | Mar 26 07:35 |
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| scientes | woah ionic gold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroauric_acid | Mar 26 08:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chloroauric acid - Wikipedia | Mar 26 08:07 | |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold(III)_chloride | Mar 26 08:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Gold(III) chloride - Wikipedia | Mar 26 08:07 | |
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| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloidal_gold | Mar 26 08:10 |
| scientes | woah gold is really complicated | Mar 26 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Colloidal gold - Wikipedia | Mar 26 08:10 | |
| MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/02/03/d0cd37fd20426196.jpg | Mar 26 08:15 |
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| roy_on_tedbox | scientes: there may be a false assumption it'll come handy one day | Mar 26 08:41 |
| scientes | I too keep a record of every time I take a shit. type of data | Mar 26 08:42 |
| scientes | roy_on_tedbox, they think keeping rap sheets on everybody is a good idea.... | Mar 26 08:42 |
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| scientes | Did μάχη become gemachen in German and make in English? | Mar 26 10:27 |
| scientes | cause the definition is fight, not create | Mar 26 10:27 |
| scientes | https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BC%CE%AC%CF%87%CE%B7#Ancient_Greek | Mar 26 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.m.wiktionary.org | μάχη - Wiktionary | Mar 26 10:28 | |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: No, "make" is not a loan word. | Mar 26 11:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And Wiktionary claims it's cognate with μάσσω | Mar 26 11:28 |
| scientes | damn | Mar 26 11:29 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdZhG5aI8HE | Mar 26 11:29 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Besides, you ignored the rules of English transliteration from Latin/Greek | Mar 26 11:30 |
| XRevan86 | χ → ch | Mar 26 11:30 |
| scientes | but English spell is so funky it is always a wash | Mar 26 11:31 |
| XRevan86 | τέχνη → techne / tekhni | Mar 26 11:31 |
| scientes | ..... | Mar 26 11:31 |
| scientes | ahhhh | Mar 26 11:31 |
| scientes | yes that is still used | Mar 26 11:31 |
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| scientes | "technical" | Mar 26 11:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Fun fact: in Middle English they used to spell it "stomak", but then they fixed it. | Mar 26 11:32 |
| scientes | "fixed" | Mar 26 11:32 |
| scientes | but English doesn't even have a ch sound, as in voiced like Hebrew | Mar 26 11:32 |
| scientes | shabbat | Mar 26 11:33 |
| scientes | chabad | Mar 26 11:33 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You know, the Russian ch sound is not voiced, yet everyone treats it as that sound. | Mar 26 11:33 |
| scientes | yeah but there is that scratchy male accent for russian | Mar 26 11:34 |
| scientes | im not sure which sound defines it | Mar 26 11:34 |
| XRevan86 | And when transliterating from English the h sound is transliterated often as г, i.e. voiced. | Mar 26 11:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: г, g/h | Mar 26 11:34 |
| scientes | ehhhh, careful because in English r is totally differnt from other languages | Mar 26 11:34 |
| scientes | so the phonetics is confusing | Mar 26 11:35 |
| XRevan86 | * Г, G/H | Mar 26 11:35 |
| XRevan86 | The Ґ, Ғ distinction to be precise. | Mar 26 11:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In Ancient Greek Γ is like G, in Byzantine Greek and later it's a fricative. | Mar 26 11:36 |
| scientes | I'm not really capable of having this discussion without the sounds | Mar 26 11:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/гора | Mar 26 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | гора - Wiktionary | Mar 26 11:37 | |
| scientes | why are all the languages under English? | Mar 26 11:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: This page has two audio files: "Russian", which is standard Russian using /g/. and "Ukrainian", which is with a fricative. | Mar 26 11:38 |
| scientes | maybe they should just conclomerate all wicktionary onto english | Mar 26 11:38 |
| scientes | oh, not ropa | Mar 26 11:39 |
| scientes | which in spanish is clothes | Mar 26 11:39 |
| XRevan86 | + standard Ukrainian doesn't reduce o's, and standard Russian does, so there's that difference between the two as well | Mar 26 11:39 |
| XRevan86 | So these are /g/ and /ɣ/ respectively. In spelling in transliterating they're treated as equivalent apparently. | Mar 26 11:41 |
| XRevan86 | So "Harry" turns to "Garry", "horn" turns into "gorn" | Mar 26 11:43 |
| XRevan86 | With that "g" being either a /g/ or a /ɣ/ depending on the dialect. | Mar 26 11:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And that also has a foundation in Latin Slavic alphabets: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hora#Czech | Mar 26 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | hora - Wiktionary | Mar 26 11:44 | |
| MinceR | Gorn. | Mar 26 11:45 |
| XRevan86 | Czechoslovak uses /ɣ/, and apparently their spelling system is young enough to reflect that. | Mar 26 11:45 |
| MinceR | that's a nice woody sort of word | Mar 26 11:45 |
| XRevan86 | All this information I poured just to show that from this perspective "ch"/"kh" should be voiceless and "h" should be voiced. | Mar 26 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | But really, there was no way for "ch"/"kh" not to be voiceless as "c" and "h" are always voiceless awyway %). | Mar 26 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | anyway | Mar 26 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | * as "c" and "h" | Mar 26 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | * as "c" and "k" | Mar 26 11:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And to add a bit more to the confusion: English used to have "gh", which is still retained in spelling :). | Mar 26 11:51 |
| scientes | as well as all the fossil vowels | Mar 26 11:51 |
| XRevan86 | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dag#Old_English dough | Mar 26 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | dag - Wiktionary | Mar 26 11:52 | |
| scientes | reader writer tear seer bear bore | Mar 26 11:53 |
| scientes | all these fossil vowels that have to be memorized | Mar 26 11:53 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Besides the point. It means that this was a distinct sound too. | Mar 26 11:53 |
| scientes | it comes from the removal of the trilled r | Mar 26 11:53 |
| scientes | oh yeah the gh sound | Mar 26 11:53 |
| scientes | scottish still has that IIRC | Mar 26 11:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Do you mean the r approximant vowel? | Mar 26 11:54 |
| scientes | the schwa, yes | Mar 26 11:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, that's not a schwa… | Mar 26 11:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You can use a schwa here with an approximant, with a trilled r or without any. | Mar 26 11:55 |
| scientes | ɹ̩ | Mar 26 11:55 |
| scientes | yeah but you can't put a vowel before a ɹ̩ | Mar 26 11:55 |
| scientes | only a schwa | Mar 26 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Yea, that seems to be true… | Mar 26 11:56 |
| scientes | *ɾ | Mar 26 11:57 |
| scientes | but English keeps all the old fossil vowels around for posterity | Mar 26 11:57 |
| scientes | in case it wants to go back to middle English on a whim or something | Mar 26 11:57 |
| scientes | *posterity | Mar 26 11:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Some people use the trill I've noticed. | Mar 26 11:57 |
| scientes | no they don't | Mar 26 11:58 |
| scientes | the trill is so unusual we make fun of spanish for having it | Mar 26 11:58 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: I've seen it in cartoons as an emphatic instrument. | Mar 26 11:59 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73uATsa8y5Y | Mar 26 11:59 |
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| scientes | I like how the interviewer has an equivilently strong southern accent | Mar 26 12:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not very strong. | Mar 26 12:02 |
| XRevan86 | the Southern accent that is | Mar 26 12:02 |
| scientes | yes | Mar 26 12:03 |
| scientes | that countryside is beautiful | Mar 26 12:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: His speech (Scottish accent) is sometimes rhotic and sometimes isn't. I guess it's just not very good enunciation. | Mar 26 12:03 |
| scientes | england looked similarly from the airplane when i was landing in glaslow | Mar 26 12:03 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Not the best Scottish accent either :) | Mar 26 12:04 |
| scientes | yeah | Mar 26 12:04 |
| scientes | its just when you search you get all these people trying to immitate accents | Mar 26 12:05 |
| scientes | the 95% of youtube that is really boring | Mar 26 12:05 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I find it funny how many RP imitators mispronounce "can". | Mar 26 12:06 |
| XRevan86 | They do a /kɑːn/ | Mar 26 12:07 |
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| scientes | https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/03/24/stranded-in-the-pandemic | Mar 26 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Mar 26 18:07 | |
| scientes | Holy geeze | Mar 26 18:07 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://vimeo.com/94448433 | Mar 26 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - I Wish to Report a Burglary on Vimeo | Mar 26 19:14 | |
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| oiaohm | scientes: not really that stranded due to pandemic would have equal issue if we still had quarantine stations at country entry points. Basically airports and the like are being used as make ship quarantine stations. Trap people there if none are infected after required time frame let them through if any are inffected lock the station. | Mar 26 19:54 |
| oiaohm | https://www.qstation.com.au/history-tours.html << lots of countries had their own quarantine stations while the spanish flu was going strong to stop it in tracks. Heck they were used to stop the spread of many other diseases. | Mar 26 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.qstation.com.au | History Tours at Australia's First Quarantine Station - Q STATION | Mar 26 19:56 | |
| oiaohm | Covid-19 mess is purely because we have got lax on quarantine processes. | Mar 26 19:57 |
| oiaohm | If old quarantine stations still had been operating like they were set up after spanish flu Covid-19 would not have got out of china. | Mar 26 19:58 |
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| Mogz | Hi guys | Mar 26 19:59 |
| Mogz | May I ask a favour? Don't know what else to do but briefly ask here. Was in a while ago, about alternative to systemd, but it's not about that. Used anarchy arch iso as usual, but the forcing to 5.4 lts kernel and various updates have entirely borked pc ... did absolutely nothing differently in install, then reboot and no sda. Can't even install | Mar 26 20:04 |
| Mogz | anything else. i'd so appreciate if you could direct me to the right place, just so I can get sda back. | Mar 26 20:04 |
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| Mogz | ata1 comreset failed (errno=-16) and have been reading everywhere ... a live usb will eventually run, but no sda to install anything to | Mar 26 20:07 |
| Mogz | there were no issues at all with pc until the format/new lts kernel etc today | Mar 26 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Can you elaborate on what exactly fails? | Mar 26 20:27 |
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| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/geometry | Mar 26 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Geometry | Mar 26 20:54 | |
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| Mogz | Hi again guys. got cut off. posted earlier just to ask if can briefly point me where to go to be able to access pc again | Mar 26 21:10 |
| Mogz | ata1 comreset failed (errno=-16) and, the more I read around, the clearer it gets that supposedly stable linux-lts is anything but. wrecked machine, and can't even get to see sda in order to be able to install anything different to arch | Mar 26 21:12 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: If you system doesn't boot, get a livecd you should. | Mar 26 21:13 |
| Mogz | thanks for replying. I can run a live cd, but there's no sda to install to | Mar 26 21:13 |
| Mogz | I'm no good at lots of tech; just beginner. really overwhelmed | Mar 26 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | And then after you have chroot, all indeed be good | Mar 26 21:14 |
| Mogz | I've never been able to chroot; tried loads, lol, but just can't | Mar 26 21:14 |
| Mogz | have tried gparted live ... wouldn't run gparted, ironically | Mar 26 21:14 |
| Mogz | have tried boot repair ... didn't do anything | Mar 26 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: "startx" :) | Mar 26 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Then you can start gparted | Mar 26 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: But you should rather go with sysresccd | Mar 26 21:15 |
| Mogz | is that an iso? | Mar 26 21:15 |
| Mogz | appreciate help a lot btw | Mar 26 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: What else can it be? :) | Mar 26 21:15 |
| Mogz | I looked up that earlier and couldn't get a download unfortunately | Mar 26 21:16 |
| Mogz | I think I've found something | Mar 26 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | https://system-rescue-cd.org/Download/ | Mar 26 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.system-rescue-cd.org | SystemRescueCd - Download | Mar 26 21:16 | |
| Mogz | thanks so much! | Mar 26 21:17 |
| Mogz | I'm downloading it now | Mar 26 21:17 |
| Mogz | Will it need internet on while active? | Mar 26 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Well, you'll need Internet in chroot to use pacman I guess. | Mar 26 21:18 |
| Mogz | it's an arch rescue, not just general blitz pc to reset? | Mar 26 21:18 |
| Mogz | sorry, mini breakdown time, eek | Mar 26 21:18 |
| Mogz | I can't chroot, but will burn the iso and see what happens, lol | Mar 26 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: To chroot in a meaningful way, you need to find the right device, then mount it, then mount stuff like /dev in there (like so: for i in dev sys proc run; do mount -o bind /$i /mnt/$i; done, if you mounted rootfs in /mnt), then you can just chroot /mnt | Mar 26 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | And then you can do stuff with your Arch | Mar 26 21:20 |
| Mogz | way beyond me, lol ... I've decided my days trying to learn more are over; just want to go back to mint or something. did nothing different with this install, and decent at basic maintenance, but kernel/firmware etc seem to have gone to crap ... reading about lots issues | Mar 26 21:20 |
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| XRevan86 | Mogz: If so, then you're doomed. | Mar 26 21:23 |
| Mogz | bumping stable lts kernel 10 months early up to unstable seems never a good idea | Mar 26 21:24 |
| Mogz | yes, totally doomed ... no idea how to rescue drive, but know it runs live, so it isn't the drive ... looking at fsf help directory too | Mar 26 21:24 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: But if you want to revert whichever caused this error, I can walk you through the steps to get to the prompt where you can use pacman. | Mar 26 21:24 |
| Mogz | thank you so much! very kind | Mar 26 21:24 |
| Mogz | issue I've got is that I'm on ethernet on this tiny laptop ... can hardly read it! and not any wifi on main ... can't access anything on main, so am not sure how to keep contact, unless I log in here via ipad? | Mar 26 21:25 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Ah, so you're booted on the machine where you have Arch borked? | Mar 26 21:26 |
| Mogz | no, on separate little laptop right now, which I never use; old install on it, which I'm not touching. but the big main pc is the one borked | Mar 26 21:27 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Ah, you have no Internet on the main one… | Mar 26 21:27 |
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| Mogz | yes, that's right ... using ethernet on tiny effort of a thing | Mar 26 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Well, you don't need Internet until you're in | Mar 26 21:28 |
| Mogz | okay, that's cool! | Mar 26 21:28 |
| Mogz | right, I boot up with the iso to get to the usual arch prompt 1st, yes | Mar 26 21:28 |
| XRevan86 | Eventually, yes. | Mar 26 21:29 |
| XRevan86 | First you need to mount rootfs. | Mar 26 21:30 |
| Mogz | you're right about eventually, lol ... it's still printing COMRESET failed | Mar 26 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Then you're not booting from the burnt .iso | Mar 26 21:30 |
| Mogz | it gets to the iso prompt eventually ... nearly at that now | Mar 26 21:30 |
| Mogz | I just had no idea what to do when getting to that ... it's at root@archiso now | Mar 26 21:31 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: lsblk | Mar 26 21:32 |
| Mogz | okay | Mar 26 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | That will show you what partitions exist. | Mar 26 21:32 |
| XRevan86 | Then when you see your rootfs, mount blk /mnt | Mar 26 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | where blk is the path to the rootfs partition block | Mar 26 21:33 |
| Mogz | it sees an external drive as sda, instead of the actual hard drive as sda, then there's the usb (sdb) and an sr0 | Mar 26 21:33 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Nothing else? | Mar 26 21:34 |
| Mogz | no, that's the worry. I first noticed it when thinking I could try endeavour as a temporary route, but, when going to clear the partitions, I saw there was no sda ... it was reporting the external as that | Mar 26 21:34 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Reordering is fine | Mar 26 21:35 |
| XRevan86 | not having it at all, that's troubling | Mar 26 21:35 |
| Mogz | yes, something has blitzed it. had a perfect install, and there's been no issues. then tried to update kernel, then other updates happened ... then this | Mar 26 21:36 |
| Mogz | been no signs of hardware failure at all, but this happened when the linux-lts kernel installed ... first time used that, as had stuck at 4.19 as long as could | Mar 26 21:36 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: If your PC doesn't see the drive, it's worse than that. | Mar 26 21:36 |
| Mogz | yes? | Mar 26 21:36 |
| Mogz | seeing lots say lose access to boot etc due to newer kernels | Mar 26 21:37 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Does your BIOS see it? | Mar 26 21:37 |
| Mogz | I'll need to check that. brb | Mar 26 21:37 |
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| Mogz | got cut off there ... just checking bios | Mar 26 21:40 |
| Mogz | there's a SATA 1 listed at the top of the boot sequence, followed by US, sata 2, sata 3 and 4 etc ... only Sata 3 has any info attached, as does the usb part ... so I'm not sure it's seeing the sda drive | Mar 26 21:41 |
| Mogz | *USB | Mar 26 21:41 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: How many drives do you have? | Mar 26 21:42 |
| Mogz | sorry, not sure where I'm looking here | Mar 26 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | I guess the external one is USB | Mar 26 21:42 |
| Mogz | yes | Mar 26 21:43 |
| Mogz | can't see any list of devices, eek, except the boot order list | Mar 26 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | One can say many things about old BIOSes, but at least they report on what drives they find %) | Mar 26 21:44 |
| Mogz | lol, yes ... this is a few years old Lenovo erazer 310 something | Mar 26 21:44 |
| Mogz | it says the power fan isn't operating, but maybe that's just reported due to running linux | Mar 26 21:45 |
| Mogz | it says there's only the dvd drive in the main system summary | Mar 26 21:45 |
| XRevan86 | Wait… how would you get a Linux system error then… | Mar 26 21:47 |
| XRevan86 | the drive must be recognised then | Mar 26 21:47 |
| Mogz | that's just me having read that fans can be misreported on linux | Mar 26 21:47 |
| Mogz | of course, as it wouldn't report anything if it couldn't see the drive | Mar 26 21:47 |
| Mogz | you're right! | Mar 26 21:48 |
| XRevan86 | Then why couldn't your livecd see it… | Mar 26 21:48 |
| Mogz | it's weird | Mar 26 21:48 |
| Mogz | and I can run a full live cd eg endeavour/mint | Mar 26 21:49 |
| Mogz | but nothing I can actually install anything onto | Mar 26 21:49 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: A "full" livecd works just as well for these purposes | Mar 26 21:49 |
| Mogz | yes | Mar 26 21:49 |
| Mogz | gparted wouldn't even run on the gparted live, lol | Mar 26 21:50 |
| Mogz | I could run it via the endeavour live, but that's where I saw it was pointing to the external and that no sda hard drive was being seen | Mar 26 21:50 |
| XRevan86 | Never tried GParted Live, no particular reason | Mar 26 21:50 |
| Mogz | it was desperation, lol | Mar 26 21:51 |
| Mogz | just opens up an openbox wtih a few links | Mar 26 21:51 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/help | Mar 26 21:51 |
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| Mogz | :-) | Mar 26 21:52 |
| Mogz | prolly a dumb question, but is there a way to physically reset a hard drive to blank? I can open the computer to clean, so might be able to stick a pin in something, lol? | Mar 26 21:54 |
| Mogz | could not be a worse time for this to happen, with electrical stores shutting plus not able to call computer repair | Mar 26 21:55 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: lolno | Mar 26 21:55 |
| Mogz | lol, best not then (puts pin down) | Mar 26 21:55 |
| Mogz | so the drive is there, readable, but not accessible for installing anything ... is that unusual, or points to system or the kernel or something like that? | Mar 26 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: It's literally impossible | Mar 26 21:57 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: So there's a flaw in your logic somewhere | Mar 26 21:57 |
| Mogz | not a surprise, regarding tech anyway, lol | Mar 26 21:57 |
| Mogz | but what would usually cause this kind of thing? | Mar 26 21:57 |
| Mogz | it seems the drive works, as it runs live cd's fine, but it's beyond frustrating to not be able to install anything | Mar 26 21:58 |
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| XRevan86 | Mogz: Um, livecd's do not require your hard/solid-state drive to work | Mar 26 21:58 |
| Mogz | ah, and there's my flawed logic, lol | Mar 26 21:59 |
| Mogz | so the hard drive could have just keeled over and died, right when doing the install/kernel change/updates? with no warnings? | Mar 26 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | But if you boot your Arch with any level of success, your drive must be working. | Mar 26 21:59 |
| XRevan86 | I.e. if GRUB or Linux is able to show you an error message. | Mar 26 22:00 |
| Mogz | I see | Mar 26 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | when you boot from the drive (that's the reason, yes :) ) | Mar 26 22:00 |
| Mogz | it goes thru the error messages, then gets to the root@iso, but then there's no sda to install to | Mar 26 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: What do you see when you don't have any livecd's in? | Mar 26 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | "Operating System not found"? | Mar 26 22:01 |
| Mogz | one sec; I took a pic .... will check that | Mar 26 22:01 |
| XRevan86 | "A disk read error occurred"? | Mar 26 22:02 |
| Mogz | firmware bug1: tsc_deadline disabled (no microcode had been installed yet) ... radeon invalid PCI ROM header signature | Mar 26 22:02 |
| Mogz | then ... failed to get diagnostic page ... failed to bind enclosure | Mar 26 22:03 |
| Mogz | no caching mode page found | Mar 26 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Those are Linux errors, so the kernel loaded at least, so it had something to load from. | Mar 26 22:03 |
| Mogz | eventually gets to ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16) | Mar 26 22:03 |
| Mogz | that's heartening about the kernel! | Mar 26 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: I think I should ask if you can reproduce that. | Mar 26 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | Because I have a feeling that you can't. | Mar 26 22:04 |
| Mogz | these errors? yes, every time the same | Mar 26 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | anymore that is | Mar 26 22:04 |
| Mogz | the radeon one hadn't shown previously, but am doing a boot now | Mar 26 22:04 |
| Mogz | the straight boot (not going into arch setup) gives the 'no operating system found' error | Mar 26 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: So you can't | Mar 26 22:05 |
| Mogz | yes, so you're right that on a straight boot, the stream of error messages doesn't happen | Mar 26 22:05 |
| Mogz | error 1962 | Mar 26 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: "not going into arch setup" – that being a USB stick or CD disc? | Mar 26 22:06 |
| Mogz | usb stick, yes, is what I use for the arch install | Mar 26 22:06 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Well, "no operating system found" is a BIOS error | Mar 26 22:07 |
| Mogz | yes? | Mar 26 22:07 |
| XRevan86 | that it gives when it cannot find any code on any drive to execute | Mar 26 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | which means there's no drive | Mar 26 22:08 |
| Mogz | I hadn't touched the bios myself; never do, so I'm not sure which of the updates, or if it's an error with the new lts kernel | Mar 26 22:08 |
| XRevan86 | or it's wiped clean, which is probably not the case | Mar 26 22:08 |
| Mogz | okay | Mar 26 22:08 |
| Mogz | so it can't find the sda drive with the arch install on | Mar 26 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Right. | Mar 26 22:09 |
| Mogz | I'm booting back into the arch install command line. is there anything I can run to test things? | Mar 26 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | So it's either not plugged right, or, you know, dead. | Mar 26 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | You can try to plug the drive to some other PC… | Mar 26 22:10 |
| XRevan86 | Or try a different SATA port, I don't know | Mar 26 22:10 |
| Mogz | yes, sudden keeling over. never had a drive do that; there were always warnings before, and it seems so odd that I had zero issues before the new lts kernel/various bugs I'm seeing there are/lots of updates eg systemd, firmware etc | Mar 26 22:10 |
| Mogz | I don't have another pc, except this tiny laptop | Mar 26 22:11 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: It can't kill your drive. | Mar 26 22:13 |
| Mogz | I'll see if I can open up the pc (years since did that, and not as fit/well as was then), and twiddle a connection or two ... that's my limit, so it looks like tiny laptop it is, and MUCH less pc use ... going blind, lol, using this. | Mar 26 22:13 |
| Mogz | Yes, none of the kernel/systemd etc can cause hardware failure? | Mar 26 22:13 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Definitely do that, and bring a vacuum cleaner :D | Mar 26 22:13 |
| Mogz | just such odd timing | Mar 26 22:14 |
| Mogz | lol, for all the dustbunnies | Mar 26 22:14 |
| Mogz | it's like some kind of malware zapping, lol | Mar 26 22:14 |
| XRevan86 | And if it's a hard drive, you can try to use your ear :) | Mar 26 22:14 |
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| XRevan86 | to detect if it emits any noise | Mar 26 22:15 |
| Mogz | yes, right, I'll be sure to listen. | Mar 26 22:15 |
| Mogz | cool | Mar 26 22:15 |
| Mogz | if this had happened last week things would have been so different! | Mar 26 22:15 |
| Mogz | could be months! | Mar 26 22:15 |
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| Mogz | A huge thank you for the time you've spent, and for advice. Can I donate or something? | Mar 26 22:17 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: You're welcome :). | Mar 26 22:17 |
| Mogz | it's like when ubuntu fried motherboards, eek | Mar 26 22:17 |
| Mogz | Really appreciate a lot. Thanks. :-) | Mar 26 22:18 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: I remember there was something about early Phoenix UEFI implementations… | Mar 26 22:18 |
| Mogz | yes? | Mar 26 22:18 |
| Mogz | phoenix? | Mar 26 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | that if one removes /sys, it got bricked | Mar 26 22:19 |
| Mogz | omg | Mar 26 22:19 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: I guess that's not what you're referring to | Mar 26 22:20 |
| Mogz | not sure, I just remember ppl's motherboards getting fried by a fairly recent ubuntu upgrade | Mar 26 22:20 |
| Mogz | was it last year or just before that? | Mar 26 22:20 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Never heard of that. | Mar 26 22:20 |
| Mogz | I'll try to find a link | Mar 26 22:21 |
| Mogz | sorry, can't find ... web results so not any use often now! | Mar 26 22:22 |
| Mogz | and google's tentacles remove so much | Mar 26 22:23 |
| Mogz | Might try and see if any big pc company hasn't quite yet brought in the restrictions ... probably fruitless to look, but at least can try. Thank you so much again. | Mar 26 22:25 |
| XRevan86 | Mogz: Check the insides first :) | Mar 26 22:25 |
| Mogz | you're right! I'd actually forgotten that ... head's spinning, lol! :-) | Mar 26 22:26 |
| Mogz | Will head off. Thank you again, and take care. Bye :-) | Mar 26 22:27 |
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