●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 ●● ● May 26 [00:00] schestowitz How to fix The system cannot find the file specified error on Windows 10 [00:00] schestowitz 1. Restart your computer [00:00] schestowitz LOL [00:00] schestowitz https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/the-system-cannot-find-the-file-specified/ [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictivetips.com | FIXED: The System Cannot Find the File Specified (Error) [00:00] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [00:01] schestowitz http://www.fsf.org/events/community-meeting-on-the-future-of-our-irc-presence [00:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Community meeting on the future of our IRC presence Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [00:01] CrystalMath schestowitz: i'll be there, supporting freenode [00:01] alextee[m] "folks" [00:02] alextee[m] i don't really trust the fsf staff, i think most of them are sjws [00:02] schestowitz but that is all I can see in my feeds about IRC [00:02] schestowitz CrystalMath: good! [00:02] schestowitz explain what the 'scandal' is about [00:02] CrystalMath can you give me a concise way to say it? [00:02] schestowitz CrystalMath: PIA was TOP sponsor of FSF last year [00:02] schestowitz 50,000 dollar [00:03] schestowitz *dollars [00:03] schestowitz and more than any GAFAM company [00:03] schestowitz IN SPITE of the anti-RMS campaign [00:03] CrystalMath right, i should take notes about what to say [00:03] schestowitz that's one member of staff [00:03] schestowitz $50,000 [00:03] schestowitz where was IBM? [00:03] schestowitz Attacking FSF [00:03] schestowitz organising petitions [00:03] schestowitz with its staff [00:03] schestowitz and front groups [00:04] schestowitz https://www.fsf.org/patrons/fy2020 [00:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF patrons during fiscal year 2020 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [00:04] schestowitz PIA at the top [00:04] schestowitz only one [00:04] schestowitz no IBM, no Google, no HP... [00:04] schestowitz PIA has debt [00:04] Sophist_UK Roy, I think it is fair to say that there has been a lot of emotion clouding people's judgements. A lot of them had invested a big chunk of their lives into it, and they felt (rightly or wrongly) under attack. Hence some of the emoptive language being used. Whilst crude language doesn't help, it is perhaps understandable. I don't think that is the crux of the issue either and somewhat [00:04] Sophist_UK prudish to stress this so negatively in your article. [00:05] MinceR and where were jose, amdj and RichiH? they were trying to cancel RMS so that IBM and microsoft could take over [00:05] schestowitz FSF probably wrote the above because of passive-aggressive trolls [00:05] schestowitz who says things like, "HOW CAN WE FEEL SAFE!!!!" [00:05] Sophist_UK The issue is really about trust. And right now I don't know who to trust. [00:05] schestowitz the same who bullied RMS into CoC [00:05] schestowitz which he never surrendered to [00:05] schestowitz he told me the kind comms thing is NOT a CoC [00:06] schestowitz next they'll tell FSF that a boycott is in order unless they start removing "racist" terms like master [00:06] schestowitz until they surrender [00:06] schestowitz MinceR: +1 [00:07] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [00:07] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/trolling-the-real-community/ [00:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Biggest Troll is the Linux Foundation, Still Looking to Provoke and Defame Free Software Communities in Order to Help a Monopolistic Takeover and to Shoehorn Tyrants Into Leadership Positions | Techrights [00:07] schestowitz CrystalMath: I support staying in this network until I see a REAL scandal [00:07] Sophist_UK Trouble is, when I read what some people are saying here e.g. about RMS, it feels pretty much like the emotive, one-sided rants that the freenode folks have been accused of. [00:07] schestowitz you can tell #fsf that [00:08] schestowitz Sophist_UK: there are divisive forces [00:08] schestowitz we do NOT try to divide on this [00:08] schestowitz au contraire, since 3 weeks ago we've been trying to defuse this [00:08] Sophist_UK Roy - that sounds like conspiracy theory talk "divisive forces" [00:09] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/24/gnu-kind-communications-guidelines/ [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Comment on the Open Letter to Remove RMS, Based on the GNU Kind Communications Guidelines | Techrights [00:09] Sophist_UK OK let's check some facts: [00:09] schestowitz we know who does the dividing http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [00:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [00:09] Sophist_UK 1. Did Andrew Lee take over someone else's channel without due process? Yes or no. [00:09] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: libera did [00:09] CrystalMath many [00:09] XRevan86 CrystalMath: "without due process" [00:09] Sophist_UK Evidence please? [00:10] Sophist_UK But I asked about Andrew Lee doing so? [00:10] Sophist_UK Because that has been claimed. [00:10] schestowitz I wrote about the IRC thing almost 3 weeks ago http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [00:10] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: how in the world do you expect me to provide it? i owned a channel and they just took it because i forwarded to freenode [00:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [00:10] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: but i'm far from the only one [00:10] schestowitz tomaw and his "posse" (what my source calls it) were canceling pro-RMS people [00:10] XRevan86 Sophist_UK: They took his channels because he restricted access to them and redirected to Freenode. [00:11] CrystalMath correct ^ [00:11] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: That sounds exactly like what AL was accused of. [00:11] Sophist_UK for ##hnsomething. [00:11] CrystalMath i don't lie about the purpose, i wanted to prevent the community from splitting, however... [00:11] CrystalMath after chatting about it on #libera there i have decided that both networks should be allowed to do this [00:11] XRevan86 Sophist_UK: ##hntop, and not exactly the access was not restricted there. [00:12] CrystalMath why prevent discussions and hold channel names? [00:12] CrystalMath it's aggressive [00:12] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: so i do not blame the libera staff for this, i just don't want them to be able to be hypocrites about it [00:12] XRevan86 it is *now* against the freenode policy to abandon channels directing to different networks [00:12] CrystalMath XRevan86: that's a draft, but yeah that is great [00:12] Sophist_UK If there is one thing I loathe it is hypocrisy. [00:13] alextee[m] from what i gather so far the problem is caused by ariadne or whatever that person is called. how did a company form and how/why did she sell it? [00:13] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i believe now that both networks should take channels if they're just locked down to move to a different network [00:13] CrystalMath alextee[m]: not ariadne! :P [00:13] alextee[m] i haven't seen clarity on this ^ [00:13] CrystalMath alextee[m]: it was Christel you mean? [00:13] techrights-bot So many "reviews" I see in so-called 'news' sites are nowadays pure spam, ads. This isn't a new problem, but as news sites and journalism perish almost all "reviews" are fake and paid-for junk. #www is a garbage dump of advertisers. [00:13] CrystalMath alextee[m]: Ariadne didn't own freenode [00:13] CrystalMath Ariadne owns Techrights infrastructure though [00:13] alextee[m] and how did that company suddenly become an owner of the domain? [00:14] stormchaser3000 I don't quite comprehend why anyone has a problem with a channel being taken over and removed if it is just a redirect to another network. [00:14] XRevan86 Sophist_UK: Whose? Libera for taking channels and supporting bashing freenode for taking channels or Freenode's for taking channels and then retroactively make a policy for that with any apologies? [00:14] CrystalMath alextee[m]: the domain always had an owner [00:14] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: really? So if I am running a FOSS project and I decide to close a channel on Libera or Freenode and move to the other, it is OK for one of the ops to reopen it in competition to my official community even though I am trying to move the community elsewhere? Or is this just for a class of channel? [00:14] CrystalMath stormchaser3000: you are right [00:15] stormchaser3000 not to be rude of course, but to me it would just be common sense that a network should be allowed to do that [00:15] XRevan86 alextee[m]: Ye confused Ariadne and Christel [00:15] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: ah we're not talking about # channels, you can't take over a # channel unless you are involved with the project [00:15] alextee[m] right, sorry I'm not familiar with the names [00:15] stormchaser3000 Sophist_UK: there are other ways to notify a userbase that there was an IRC network change [00:15] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: read the policy, even the draft [00:15] stormchaser3000 if the project has a website, they could announce it on the index page [00:15] XRevan86 and yea, before Christel transferred the domain to Freenode, Ltd. it was a Head of Staff that had the domain in ownership. [00:15] CrystalMath XRevan86: but still a name was there in the owners list [00:16] Sophist_UK I have read the policy. [00:16] alextee[m] so how did ownership go from head of staff to freenode ltd? [00:16] stormchaser3000 such a change may also be announced via an RSS feed and through press releases [00:16] alextee[m] this is what I'm not understanding [00:16] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: so you have to be involved with the project to hold the # [00:16] XRevan86 alextee[m]: Because Christel transferred did. [00:16] Sophist_UK Ok. I guess I can agree about ##channels. [00:16] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i imagine that if you're involved with a project and the rest of the project doesn't want freenode, and you take the freenode channel to split the community, you'll be removed from the project :P [00:16] alextee[m] so it's in andrew's control now rightfully [00:17] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: and then you will no longer qualify to hold the # [00:17] XRevan86 s/did/it/ [00:17] techrights-bot Presumption that #patents are invalid, by default, would be well overdue. Your #patent is worthless until properly proven in a court of law. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/05/recordation-requirements-unenforceability.html #swpats [00:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Recordation Requirements and a Certificate of Unenforceability | Patently-O [00:17] Sophist_UK alextee[m]: Rightfully is a very black/white word. [00:17] alextee[m] what else did the company own? I mean if it's explicitly in a contract somewhere that freenode inc has ownership of all this stuff then the freenode staff can't really complain [00:17] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: the trouble is some people see fit to shut down freenode channels without asking other contributors [00:17] alextee[m] Sophist_UK: i mean "legally" then [00:17] XRevan86 alextee[m]: And she was also a member of the Board. [00:17] Sophist_UK alextee[m]: Legally is not at all the same as rightfully. [00:18] XRevan86 https://i.postimg.cc/GhhvzRJj/image.png Andrew shared this screenshot earlier. [00:18] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: and rightfully, freenode was never a collectively owned kolkhoz [00:18] XRevan86 alextee[m]: No one knows what's in the contract. [00:18] CrystalMath that's just in the minds of the now-libera staff [00:18] stormchaser3000 well, I am going to duck out for this conversation. When a consensus/agreement has been reached, someone please send me a PM [00:18] techrights-bot Corrupt #EPO lets people monopolise #cannabis stuff; who invented cannabis? Can we invent and #patent 'God' too? Or patent Mother Nature? https://www.biospace.com/article/releases/the-european-patent-office-grants-cannabics-pharmaceuticals-patent-for-company-s-personalized-medicine-drug-discovery-technology/ [00:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The European Patent Office Grants Cannabics Pharmaceuticals Patent for Company's Personalized Medicine Drug Discovery Technology | BioSpace [00:19] baronhk[m] I hope a Debian 11 Live with Firmware ISO shows up shortly. [00:19] XRevan86 stormchaser3000: Ha-ha, good luck waiting for consensus. [00:19] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has left #techrights ("Tired") [00:19] baronhk[m] I'm sure that if I used to fork the kernel and run my own modified versions I can figure this out. [00:19] techrights-bot "Unified's Portal now includes an integration with PQAI that uses an open-source platform to retrieve prior-art for a given patent." #patent #patents #swpats #fakepatents #unifiedpatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/portal-developer-updates-q1-2021 [00:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Q1 2021 Developer Updates Unified Patents [00:21] Sophist_UK Legally, Christel owned the domain name. Morally, she was holding it in trust for the community. Inbetween is a gray area depending on what promises she made about her role and and whether they were in writing. Then she transferred it to a SPV Ltd co. and sold it to Andrew Lee. I doubt very much that this was morally right. So "rightfully" is a lot harder to determine than legality. [00:21] schestowitz baronhk[m]: firmware? [00:21] alextee[m] so basically christel sold the freenode assets to andrew, who then took control of what is legally his through his company. the one who is at fault here is either the freenode staff for complaining about this or christle who sold it in the first place [00:22] schestowitz who owned 'freenode'? [00:22] XRevan86 I mean, the legality's pre-determined as no one is going to court over this. [00:22] Sophist_UK I don't see how the freenode staff complaining puts them "at fault". [00:22] schestowitz however you define it... [00:22] schestowitz freenode limited? [00:22] MinceR 26 011053 <@schestowitz> tomaw and his "posse" (what my source calls it) were canceling pro-RMS people [00:22] schestowitz freenode.net ? [00:22] MinceR is there an article on this? [00:22] schestowitz MinceR: yes [00:23] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ [00:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | Techrights [00:23] schestowitz I redacted names [00:23] MinceR oh, that's why i couldn't find i [00:23] MinceR s,i,it/them, [00:23] Sophist_UK XRevan86: No - just because they don't have the money or emotional reserves to go to court doesn't prove it was legal - it just means that the default presumption of legality is not going to be challenged. [00:23] schestowitz that was well before the shitstorm [00:23] schestowitz if they cannot compete, they use fake morality [00:23] schestowitz and then say what they try to replace is "dirty" and "racist" and "unsafe" and "trumpisn" [00:24] schestowitz "trumpian [00:24] XRevan86 Sophist_UK: Well, the only room here is whether what Christel did was legal. [00:24] Sophist_UK No - that is not the only room. [00:24] XRevan86 and we don't even know what exactly she sold [00:24] alextee[m] that's probably the most important missing piece [00:24] Sophist_UK But they are not mounting a legal challenge, so it is reasonable to conclude that AL has legal title to the domain name. [00:24] alextee[m] to this story [00:25] XRevan86 as Freenode didn't exactly have any assets other than the newly created company, a person and some domains. [00:25] schestowitz https://www.theregister.com/2003/01/29/buy_a_piece_of_net/ [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Buy a piece of Net nostalgia for $5,000 The Register [00:25] MinceR even if Christel sold what is claimed she sold, this could have been handled differently [00:25] Sophist_UK I have read nothing that talks about whether legal title to the servers, the software that runs on them or the data was held by Freenode Ltd. Just the domain name. [00:25] XRevan86 MinceR: I think everyone can agree on that. [00:26] schestowitz 13.5 years soon http://techrights.org/2021/02/02/13-years-irc-channels/ [00:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 13 Years of Our IRC Channels | Techrights [00:26] MinceR people go around claiming that freenode ltd. owns nothing more than the domain name [00:26] MinceR but if that's the case, why didn't the opers just buy a new domain and move to that? [00:26] XRevan86 Sophist_UK: It was all run by volunteers, so they just did what they wanted, I don't think the company had any hold on that. [00:26] Sophist_UK I think that you can pick any topic in history ever, and say that things could have been handled differently. [00:26] alextee[m] MinceR: the moment you give control of something to someone else you can't really complain if they abuse it [00:26] alextee[m] you shouldn't give up that control in the first place [00:26] MinceR indeed [00:27] alextee[m] (unless the abuse is illegal, which is not in this case from what I can see) [00:27] alextee[m] I don't think andrew is at fault but I moved to libera.chat because I don't want a for-profit entity in control of my communications [00:27] XRevan86 MinceR: Imagine if ye have an email server and ye need a new domain name [00:27] Sophist_UK Yes - the "staff" were volunteers. [00:27] XRevan86 MinceR: Ye can practically just start anew. [00:27] MinceR XRevan86: not really [00:27] MinceR XRevan86: they have a bunch of servers provided by sponsors, they allegedly have a staff, they have a website [00:28] Sophist_UK And it may well be that they were too close to the coal face and resistant to change etc. [00:28] MinceR they have a lot of configuration done which would not need much of a change [00:28] XRevan86 MinceR: Servers is a thing since there were no contracts the sponsors themselves could disagree to whom they donated the servers. [00:28] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: these people constantly threatened with splitting freenode if the will of their kolkhoz is not done [00:28] MinceR indeed [00:29] MinceR yet liberans keep implying they'll easily get them "back" [00:29] MinceR we'll see [00:29] Sophist_UK All I have heard is that Freenode Ltd owned the domain name. I have no idea what other things to do with the IRC network (servers, software, data) were owned by Freenode Ltd or not. [00:29] techrights-bot "Last article I discussed the Fedora RAW file image and the first partition it contains. Now let us look at the second and third partitions." http://adam.younglogic.com/2021/05/what-is-the-fedora-34-raw-image-part-one/ http://adam.younglogic.com/2021/05/what-is-the-fedora-34-raw-image-part-two/ [00:29] XRevan86 MinceR: The server stats on netsplit.de look like they do. [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adam.younglogic.com | What is the Fedora 34 RAW Image. Part one | Adam Youngs Web Log [00:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adam.younglogic.com | What is the Fedora 34 RAW Image. Part Two | Adam Youngs Web Log [00:29] MinceR i don't think it was stated to whom the sponsors donated the servers -- could be to freenode ltd. [00:29] Sophist_UK Obviously the domain name is pretty important to running the rest. [00:29] MinceR in which case many people lied :> [00:30] MinceR the domain name can be replaced [00:30] XRevan86 Sophist_UK: Servers aren't owned, they're donated to "Freenode" without any written contract. [00:30] Sophist_UK MinceR: It might have been, or might not. [00:30] MinceR indeed [00:30] XRevan86 Sophist_UK: The software is just ran by staff, whatever they want. [00:30] Sophist_UK So maybe it was a hostilke takeover after all. Andrew Lee seems to think he owns the servers and the software and the data. [00:31] Sophist_UK Or maybe he did legally own them as well. [00:31] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: what about when they forcibly removed christel? [00:31] XRevan86 Sophist_UK: Even if Christel gave him all that in a contract, it's still a grey area if she actually had what she was giving. [00:31] schestowitz Sophist_UK: PIA has thousands of servers [00:31] schestowitz iirc, freenode uses just about 44 servers [00:31] XRevan86 CrystalMath: She resigned after no one knows what. [00:32] Sophist_UK Who forceably removed Christel? [00:32] schestowitz and maybe multi-tenant'ed [00:32] schestowitz Sophist_UK: she resigned [00:32] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: the ex-staff harrassed her [00:32] Sophist_UK schestowitz: Why is that relevant? [00:32] schestowitz to avoid the shitstorm [00:32] XRevan86 (she doesn't take questions, really doesn't want to be involved in any of this) [00:32] schestowitz Sophist_UK: because server ownership was discussed [00:32] XRevan86 CrystalMath: This is not actually established. [00:32] schestowitz spinning off more servers is something PIA can do fast if needed [00:32] Sophist_UK And the relevance of numbers is? [00:33] alextee[m] sounds fishy lol [00:33] schestowitz bbiab [00:33] Sophist_UK alextee[m]: No - that is just an assumption on your part - perhaps she is simply burned out. [00:33] XRevan86 alextee[m]: Well, the staff says that she resigned instead of answering questions, so that. [00:33] XRevan86 "burnt out" is an understatement [00:34] alextee[m] well she's partly or mostly responsible for what happened IMO so it would be nice to offer some clarity [00:34] alextee[m] but I can understand that the situation might be too stressful atm [00:34] Sophist_UK My guess is that Christel made a bad judgement call a few years back when she sold the domain name / company (which morally she was holding on behalf of the staff / community) - even though she thought she was doing it for good reasons (to raise money for something appropriate). [00:35] saint_dogbert alextee[m]: She is responsible for a bunch of people having a huge hissy fit? [00:35] XRevan86 alextee[m]: Not offering clarity triggered this whole situation, so clearly she's not going to now either. [00:35] Sophist_UK And I guess she did it without consultating the others. [00:35] alextee[m] saint_dogbert: responsible due to being the one selling the freenode "assets" whatever they were [00:35] Sophist_UK So they gavce her grief about it. [00:35] baronhk[m] I'm always sorry when I check Google Now. [00:35] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: she owned it, why should she consult with non-owners? [00:35] baronhk[m] CNN gave us all a first class ticket to the freak show yet again. [00:35] saint_dogbert alextee[m]: I still don't see why its a problem if she owned them [00:36] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: Please go and study Ethics101 for the answer to that. [00:36] XRevan86 I also don't understand why the logo addition was a big deal if a PIA logo was there before as well, and yet if it were so simple, she would've just said "duh" instead of resigning [00:36] baronhk[m] Topless photo of Elliot Page (whoever that is), now a he/they after an "operation". [00:36] saint_dogbert i know, i know, its questionable that she owned them [00:36] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: when you sell something, like etc... a computer, do you consult with people who remotely used it a bit? [00:36] MinceR 26 013516 < saint_dogbert> alextee[m]: She is responsible for a bunch of people having a huge hissy fit? [00:36] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: Please go and study Ethics101 for the answer to that. [00:36] alextee[m] saint_dogbert: well similarly i don't see why andrew taking control of what he (presumably) owns is a problem [00:36] MinceR a bunch of people are responsible for that [00:36] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i believe in private ownership [00:36] MinceR it could have been managed in a mature way [00:36] XRevan86 CrystalMath: From a Freenode point of view she was a representative, not an overlord. [00:36] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i strongly oppose collectivism and collective ownership [00:36] saint_dogbert alextee[m]: I guess we are clueless then? ;) [00:37] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: What you effectively just said was that you believe in selfishness and greed. [00:37] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: then so be it [00:37] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i believe in private ownership for real, truthfully [00:37] Sophist_UK Yes - I am not going to change your mind on that. [00:37] XRevan86 And yet when she resigned and Freenode elected a new representative, an actual owner, Andrew, challenged that saying that he does not recognise that authority. [00:37] alextee[m] saint_dogbert: we are missing a lot of information yes [00:38] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i don't necessarily believe in greed though, because if you say "this is mine", you're not expressing that you want more [00:38] saint_dogbert alextee[m]: Sure are. And we see this conversation about 10x a day with all kinds of speculation and pretty lite on facts [00:38] techrights-bot #LinuxFoundation Working for #Microsoft and #GitHub Now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151593 #monopoly http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation [00:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux Machines [00:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation - Techrights [00:39] Sophist_UK I am not against private ownership where that makes sense, but I believe that humanities greatest achievements are through collective efforts made for the benefit of others. And your single-minded everything-must-be-private pretty much rules out anything of that nature. [00:39] techrights-bot #Fedora Podcast Has Returned With The #DestinationLinux Network https://frontpagelinux.com/news/fedora-podcast-has-returned-with-the-destination-linux-network/ [00:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-frontpagelinux.com | Fedora Podcast Has Returned With The Destination Linux Network - Front Page Linux [00:39] XRevan86 So, either way, what happened to the staff is that their voices were nullified in 2017 and they weren't even told. [00:40] techrights-bot "From our origins with Linux to preparing your home LAN for a solar storm, its an Ask us Anything special edition!" https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/145142/and-the-answer-is-linux-unplugged-407/ [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jupiterbroadcasting.com | And the Answer is | LINUX Unplugged 407 | Jupiter Broadcasting [00:40] XRevan86 since they no longer were in charge of picking their representative (which they found out after they did) [00:40] techrights-bot " #Vimium is a browser extension that provides keyboard-based navigation and control of the web in the spirit of the Vim editor. It helps you navigate the web without touching the mouse. Vimium uses a clever highlighting method to navigate using links." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSdLfN03g-g [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Improve Efficiency In Chrome or Firefox With Vimium - YouTube [00:41] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i wouldn't ban worker-owned collectives, but how does that change that freenode was in fact owned by someone? [00:41] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: there's a difference here... if you're saying that even though she owned freenode, it shouldn't be hers, then you have to be against private ownership [00:42] techrights-bot "In this video, I am going to show an overview of #OpenIndiana 2021.04 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hai2PZGrC0I #oracle #solaris #freesw [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-OpenIndiana 2021.04 overview | Community-driven illumos Distribution. - YouTube [00:42] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i'm not insisting on the right to buy libera [00:42] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: nor OFTC [00:42] CrystalMath but it seems to me you're insisting that freenode couldn't have been sold [00:43] XRevan86 CrystalMath: Ye are missing the problem of quasi-ownership. [00:43] techrights-bot Has Brodie Robertson been paid to promote a #microsoft #windows laptop? Link omitted, but I took note of that in posts earlier this month, e.g. http://techrights.org/2021/05/06/marketing-is-not-journalism/ [00:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Disregard Web Sites That Call Themselves News and Instead Promote Proprietary Software for Companies Like Microsoft | Techrights [00:44] CrystalMath XRevan86: we already had this issue in 2006 [00:44] techrights-bot REMINDER: #FrameworkLaptop is a #MICROSOFT #WINDOWS laptop and the only explanation I have for many plugs I see for it in "Linux" sites is that they're paid/bribed to do so. Also, it's massively overpriced. [00:46] schestowitz control and ownership are not the same [00:46] schestowitz related, but different [00:46] schestowitz afaik, christel was in control [00:46] schestowitz who owned it? 'up in the air.....' [00:47] CrystalMath i mean, there are IRCs owned by non-profits, like OFTC [00:47] schestowitz it's not even clear who 'owns' techrights [00:47] schestowitz the infra is kaniini [00:47] CrystalMath freenode was never like that though [00:47] schestowitz and two people now have dns credentials [00:48] schestowitz and it's stranger when you ask who 'owns' this channel [00:49] schestowitz I suppose rasengan is in control of the domain it is in [00:49] CrystalMath tbh, who owns "techrights" = schestowitz [00:49] schestowitz MinceR and I are the main ops with powers at channel admin level [00:49] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: Please go and study Ethics101 for the answer to that. [00:50] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: ethics are not absolute [00:50] schestowitz techrights is immaterial [00:50] samiamsam CrystalMath: your ethical ideas are full of well-known holes, unfortunately [00:51] CrystalMath samiamsam: i don't see how that matters or changes anything [00:51] CrystalMath samiamsam: i just said it's highly relative [00:51] CrystalMath we don't have to agree, at all [00:51] techrights-bot Linux 5.14 To Allow Hot Unplug Of #AMD #Radeon GPUs - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.14-AMDGPU-Hot-Unplug #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [00:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.14 To Allow Hot Unplug Of AMD Radeon GPUs - Phoronix [00:51] CrystalMath there's no code of ethics that is universal [00:51] CrystalMath everything you say is good, i can say it's bad [00:52] CrystalMath everything you say is bad, i can say it's good [00:52] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: You clearly have no clue about ethics. Things are not black and white. Things can be held in trust - and that can be enforced legally. But yes - ethics are not absolute - and that is exactly the point. You seem to think that everything should be absolute, and that is why you appear to know nothing about ethics. [00:52] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: Please go and study Ethics101 for the answer to that. [00:53] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: again, there's no need for anyone to "study" ethics, as it's not absolute [00:53] CrystalMath i only used extremes as a way to tell you that everything is relative [00:53] Sophist_UK Whilst there are grey areas, there are accepted definitions of things that are good and that are bad - and a lot of grey areas inbetween. [00:53] techrights-bot Might it be powered by #debian #gnu #linux just like #steamOS (if that exists at all)? https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/hints-appear-of-valve-making-a-handheld-steam-steampal-neptune-console [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hints appear of Valve making a handheld Steam "SteamPal" Neptune console | GamingOnLinux [00:53] samiamsam CrystalMath: there doesn't have to be a universal code of ethics for people to be making errors in ethical thought [00:54] CrystalMath samiamsam: there is no error [00:54] CrystalMath samiamsam: like, you seem to think there's some kind of goal or life or something, there isn't [00:54] samiamsam you're mistaken [00:54] CrystalMath that is literally impossible :) [00:54] samiamsam nope [00:54] CrystalMath i can say that it's for the best if humans are eradicated, and even defend that [00:54] schestowitz ethics are subjective [00:54] samiamsam i don't know where you're getting that from, but it isn't from the words i've typed [00:54] schestowitz not objective ever [00:54] CrystalMath schestowitz: absolutely [00:54] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: Everything you say demonstrates a lack of understanding of what ethics are. Go study them before you make statements about them which just dispolay your ignorance. [00:54] schestowitz many say "protect the animals" [00:54] schestowitz they also eat them [00:54] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: ethics are relative [00:55] schestowitz and it is generally not considered "unethical" to kill and eat non-human animals [00:55] samiamsam CrystalMath: i did not say that ALL things can be erroneous, only that SOME things can. this is another logical error on your part [00:55] schestowitz vegans might have firmer ground to stand on [00:55] CrystalMath samiamsam: literally there doesn't even have to be any logic to ethics, you made up that rule [00:55] CrystalMath i don't have to accept that rule [00:55] schestowitz "murder is wrong" [00:55] samiamsam you do though [00:55] CrystalMath samiamsam: what tells you that i have to use logic in ethics? [00:55] schestowitz "let's talk about it over some KFC" [00:56] CrystalMath samiamsam: you're calling on some kind of absolute thing [00:56] CrystalMath what is it? some kind of god? [00:56] samiamsam CrystalMath: any falsehood implies every propostion [00:56] Sophist_UK For example, it is generally accepted as ethically bad to kill another human without legal authority and when it is unnecessary and when they don't want to be killed. [00:56] samiamsam proposition* [00:56] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: "generally accepted" means nothing about WHY that is so [00:56] CrystalMath the majority of the people can definitely be wrong [00:56] samiamsam CrystalMath: if your ethical theory says that something is wrong, and that it is right at the same time, and that right and wrong are distinct separate sets, then your ethical theory is erroneous because it can prove that 2+2=5 [00:56] CrystalMath for example, that's not my ethics, i believe that murder is always wrong [00:57] Sophist_UK So you believe it is OK to go around killing someone because you fancy it? [00:57] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: my own code of ethics excludes the possibility of legal authority to murder [00:57] Sophist_UK Ok - you have made it clear that is not the case. [00:58] Sophist_UK So state / court sanctioned murder as a punishment for e.g. genocide is wrong? [00:58] CrystalMath correct [00:58] samiamsam CrystalMath: ethical theories aren't ever pure opinion, and can't usually be divorced from facts nor logic [00:58] Sophist_UK Killing someone who is about to blow up a stadium full of inocent people to stop them doing so is wrong? [00:58] CrystalMath samiamsam: then maybe ethical theories are pointless and we should [00:58] techrights-bot https://www.storagereview.com/review/dell-optiplex-7090-ultra-review [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dell OptiPlex 7090 Ultra Review | StorageReview.com [00:58] CrystalMath just stick to opinions [00:59] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: Do you realise what you just said? [00:59] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i wouldn't pull the lever in the trolley problem, either [00:59] samiamsam when i say ethical theories, i mean the kinds of things that you were saying here [00:59] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i am a hardline pacifist, i wouldn't kill someone who's about to kill me [00:59] samiamsam for example, libertarian propertarian absolutism [00:59] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: nor someone who's about to kill everyone, nor end the universe ● May 26 [01:00] CrystalMath i don't even believe that ending the universe would be necessarily 100% wrong [01:00] techrights-bot "We are proud to announce that #Ubuntu 21.04 includes support for the #GPIO pins on the Raspberry Pi. This has been a long time coming. We know. With support for the camera modules and Bluetooth added last year GPIO was the obvious next step." https://ubuntu.com//blog/raspberry-pi-gpio-support-in-ubuntu [01:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Raspberry Pi GPIO support in Ubuntu | Ubuntu [01:00] CrystalMath it would end all suffering for example [01:00] Sophist_UK You just said that ethical theories (and hence ethics) are pointless - which is equivalent to saying that selfishness and greed are what we should live our lives by because that is what is left without Ethics. [01:00] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: hmm, i'm not sure that follows [01:01] techrights-bot Steinar H. Gunderson: LZ24 http://blog.sesse.net/blog/tech/2021-05-24-11-51_lz24.html #freesw #debian [01:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.sesse.net | Steinar H. Gunderson [01:01] samiamsam the idea that we SHOULD be selifsh and greedy is still an ethical theory [01:01] CrystalMath right [01:01] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: So you believe that "I think that the universe is on average bad, so let's end the universe to end the bad bits" is ok i.e. ethical? [01:01] CrystalMath that would be another "should" [01:01] samiamsam i think CrystalMath is saying we shouldn't even talk about such things? but you just were [01:02] CrystalMath i'm saying there is absolutely no point to life [01:02] CrystalMath no purpose whatsoever [01:02] techrights-bot IBM COBOL for Linux on x86 1.1 is now generally available https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/announcing-ibm-cobol-for-linux-on-x86/ now you can MASTER the #programming language on your platform of choice. #gnu #linux [01:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | IBM COBOL for Linux on x86 1.1 is now generally available IBM Developer [01:02] samiamsam well i agree, purposes are held by living beings, there is no purpose to life itself and the purpose of the parents in making the child do not ethically bind the child [01:02] CrystalMath if you cannot find conclusive proof of an objective purpose to life, or the existence of the universe, it does not exist [01:03] CrystalMath i believe that purposes are the illusions of living beings, as is consciousness [01:03] CrystalMath Richard Dawkins explains purpose very well [01:03] samiamsam ethics doesn't require universality of purpose, ethics assumes a social context of cooperation as opposed to isolation or war [01:04] schestowitz 'purpose' [01:04] schestowitz as if life exists for some "goal" [01:04] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: my own ethical standards are that your life is yours to do what you want with, so if you feel that there is no point to your life then it would not clash with my ethics if you were to decide to stop using the worlds limited resources any further and instead donate the resources tied up in your cells back to the world. [01:04] schestowitz COVID has a 'purpose' too [01:04] schestowitz I guess [01:04] schestowitz like spreading itself [01:04] samiamsam ASSUMING we're trying to get along, what decisions do we make about what we owe the other person -- that's ethics [01:04] Sophist_UK samiamsam: +1000000 [01:05] schestowitz every person is controlled by another [01:05] schestowitz so terms like slavery are broader than we're meant to acknowledge [01:05] Sophist_UK schestowitz: I believe that we are fully in control of everything. [01:05] schestowitz but race-baiting corporations want us to think of it only in ethnic terms [01:05] schestowitz not like bosses who enslave employees [01:05] Sophist_UK schestowitz: I believe that we are fully in control of ourselves. [01:06] schestowitz corporations that use LITERAL sweatshops where people swear and jump from windows [01:06] schestowitz (sweat [01:06] schestowitz Sophist_UK: if you have a job, and the job is not yours fully, then that is false [01:06] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: my ethical standards are that people should split the management of these collective resources amongst themselves, to the individual level [01:06] schestowitz I too have to occasionally do things I prefer not to [01:06] schestowitz the other day I needed to log in to clownflare [01:07] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: so that means, that things should have owners - people who decide the entire fate of this thing, as opposed to that thing [01:07] samiamsam except at its most brutal extremes, human power does not work by controlling people. human power works by manipulating people's INTERESTS so that they make the choice to comply out of self-interest [01:07] CrystalMath that's the important part of ownership, decisions [01:07] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: if i acquire a strip of land and build a giant stupid sphere statue, i exercised this properly [01:07] techrights-bot Feeling Overwhelmed With Vim? Try Micro Text Editor Instead http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151594 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Feeling Overwhelmed With Vim? Try Micro Text Editor Instead | Tux Machines [01:07] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: but it seems that your ethical standards believe that we should all put things we have to good use - i disagree completely as i don't believe in the possibility of good use [01:08] samiamsam no one will force you to do X or Y, but they will make it so that you will receive $500 if you do X and -$500 if you do Y. [01:08] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i believe that building a giant pointless statue is just as good as building a farm that creates food [01:08] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: because nothing makes sense and nothing really matters [01:08] techrights-bot This low-cost motion control rig helps capture high-quality shots | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/05/25/this-low-cost-motion-control-rig-helps-capture-high-quality-shots/ #Arduino #Hardware #OpenHardware #Hacking | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/26/#latest [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | This low-cost motion control rig helps capture high-quality shots | Arduino Blog [01:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [01:09] CrystalMath Sophist_UK: i think that's the fundamental difference here [01:09] samiamsam CrystalMath: i don't want to be rude here, i really don't, but i can see that you are making muddy thinking errors [01:09] *alextee (alextee@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/alextee) has joined #techrights [01:09] Sophist_UK CrystalMath: Words cannot express how sad I feel at your lack of empathy and (if I take your words at face value) sociopathic character. [01:09] techrights-bot New #google #spyware release: The #Chrome team is delighted to announce the promotion of Chrome 91 to the stable channel for Windows, Mac and Linux. This will roll out over the coming days/weeks." https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2021/05/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_25.html [01:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chromereleases.googleblog.com | Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop [01:09] Sophist_UK Anyway, time for bed here. TTFN [01:09] *Sophist_UK (Sophist-UK@72.82.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt) has left #techrights [01:10] samiamsam CrystalMath: like, talking about "as good" doesn't make sense if you don't have a single definition of "good". what you're saying is that no definition of good is universal. that's true. but you're going off in the wrong direction from there [01:11] CrystalMath samiamsam: actually i believe that the idea that life is pointless is an objective truth [01:11] samiamsam sure [01:11] techrights-bot "Not a month later, travel budgets in many corporations had been frozen. The last in person event that I went to was FOSS Backstage - incapable of imagining just for how long this would be the last in person event I would go to." http://blog.isabel-drost-fromm.de/posts/when-it-takes-a-pandemic.html [01:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://blog.isabel-drost-fromm.de/posts/when-it-takes-a-pandemic.html ) [01:11] samiamsam i agree [01:11] samiamsam like i already said [01:11] CrystalMath therefore ascribing any point to life, any "should", is actually factually incorrect [01:11] samiamsam it's just you're drawing conclusions from that, which are wrong [01:12] CrystalMath why shouldn't i draw conclusions from a true statement? [01:12] samiamsam no, it's not, because you need to interpret it relative to a context [01:12] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [01:12] samiamsam i didn't say you shouldn't draw conclusions [01:12] samiamsam i said you drawing the WRONG conclusions [01:12] *stormchaser3000 is guessing that he found himself in the middle of the same argument from earlier [01:13] CrystalMath i don't see that they're wrong [01:13] samiamsam i know [01:13] CrystalMath you referred to purposes as making sense within a context, but to me these contexts themselves are detached from reality [01:14] CrystalMath the reality that one should try to remain attached to has no purpose, therefore the proper word for purposes acribed to things by us are illusions [01:14] *stormchaser3000 prepares his popcorn [01:14] samiamsam CrystalMath: you're a computer programmer right? [01:14] CrystalMath samiamsam: no [01:14] samiamsam oh [01:14] CrystalMath not professionally, at least [01:14] CrystalMath i do write code thouguh [01:14] CrystalMath *though [01:14] samiamsam oh ok [01:15] samiamsam you know about data types like boolean, integer, float, etc.? [01:15] CrystalMath i've met many people under illusions - that they need to stay alive, that they need to have children, that they need to run proprietary software; but these are all illusions [01:15] CrystalMath really, one doesn't need to do any of that [01:16] alextee[m] >REMINDER: #FrameworkLaptop is a #MICROSOFT #WINDOWS laptop and the only explanation I have for many plugs I see for it in "Linux" sites is that they're paid/bribed to do so. Also, it's massively overpriced. [01:16] alextee[m] is there an article on this? [01:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 25.36 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 56.28 swarm size (avg): 230.52 [01:16] CrystalMath samiamsam: types, sure [01:16] CrystalMath samiamsam: what about them? [01:17] alextee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZb1sN-eZf0 [01:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Framework Laptop: Right To Repair Dream Device - YouTube [01:18] samiamsam you can represent a logical proposition (such as "x is good") as a propositional function returning boolean (isGood :: X -> Bool) [01:19] stormchaser3000 are we talking about haskell here? [01:19] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [01:19] samiamsam i'm just using haskell as notation [01:19] stormchaser3000 ah ok [01:20] samiamsam CrystalMath: things like good and bad and so on exist as entire programs within the computer of the human brain. in principle the human brain might be programmed any which way, but in practice it is running _similar_ software everywhere [01:22] samiamsam so there is a kind of phantom universality of purpose that almost everyone can kind of "feel" deriving from the fact that we're separate species [01:22] samiamsam *same species [01:23] CrystalMath samiamsam: then why do we disagree about that? :P [01:24] samiamsam i don't think we disagree about that [01:24] CrystalMath truly don't see it, i believe that we are all very unique individuals [01:25] CrystalMath every opinion i've heard is unique [01:25] samiamsam people only talk about their differences, not their universalities [01:25] CrystalMath sure there's a lot of overlaps but really, there's nothing that we *all* agree on [01:25] *DiffieHellman has quit (*.net *.split) [01:25] *lavendereyes has quit (*.net *.split) [01:25] samiamsam but what i'm leading to is to say that it's a type error to talk about whether some one thing is "as good" as another when you're talking about two distinct functions [01:26] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QereR0CViMY [01:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Life Of Brian (1979) - clip: "You're all individuals" - YouTube [01:26] CrystalMath what i was equating all those things to is 0 [01:26] samiamsam you're equating things that aren't equal [01:26] CrystalMath how good/bad/important is it to do X? 0 [01:26] samiamsam because purpose really does exist, physically [01:26] CrystalMath prove it [01:26] samiamsam it's part of the human brain [01:26] samiamsam it's easy to prove [01:26] CrystalMath show me someone other than people who cares [01:26] samiamsam i didn't say that nonhumans have purpose [01:26] CrystalMath what is the difference? [01:27] samiamsam but, actually, many species do (but not all) [01:27] CrystalMath humans are just animals [01:27] CrystalMath there's really no difference there, tbh [01:27] CrystalMath humans are made of the same stuff the ground is [01:27] samiamsam some animals are too simple to have purposes [01:27] samiamsam it doesn't matter what you make it out of [01:27] samiamsam it matters what it does [01:27] CrystalMath i know that i don't have a purpose [01:28] CrystalMath i see purpose as an illusion [01:28] samiamsam the brain is a network of switches, and so is a computer. they work totally different but can perform many of the same computations [01:28] CrystalMath a popular illusion, but an illusion nonetheless [01:28] baronhk[m] Apparently, the cops in New Hampshire have an arrest warrant for Marilyn Manson. [01:28] schestowitz :-0 [01:28] schestowitz what for? [01:28] samiamsam baronhk[m]: for sex stuff? [01:28] schestowitz what charges? [01:28] baronhk[m] He has an opportunity most people don't. Ignore the warrant, don't go back to that state, and live fine. [01:28] schestowitz manson has a sex? [01:28] MinceR lol [01:29] baronhk[m] It's misdemeanor assault, so as long as he stays out of the state, I mean he could be detained for a while, but they aren't going to pay to have him extradited. [01:29] samiamsam baronhk[m]: i think it's probably the other way around. that would work for most people. for him with celebrity, they may make an exception and extradite. [01:29] schestowitz well, michael jackson spent not a moment in jail [01:29] baronhk[m] It's what an ex I spoke with said he would have done had he been in my situation in 2019. [01:30] CrystalMath samiamsam: honestly i believe that what we refer to as our consciousness is also an illusion [01:30] schestowitz bill gates is 'phisnthropist' [01:30] schestowitz went to visit jeffy in jail [01:30] schestowitz to help him become a 'phisnthropist' too [01:30] samiamsam CrystalMath: well, purpose isn't an illusion, that's another type error [01:30] CrystalMath samiamsam: purpose does not exist [01:30] baronhk[m] "They're not going to pay to extradite you to Illinois over a misdemeanor. But then it just goes on and on forever and you can't rent an apartment or find even a bad job without clearing it up. [01:30] schestowitz it's a motivational morale thing [01:30] CrystalMath samiamsam: i recommend that you watch that Richard Dawkins lecture [01:30] schestowitz 'purpose' [01:30] baronhk[m] Manson has a lot of money, so he can just live in some other state and laugh. [01:30] baronhk[m] I would. [01:31] samiamsam of all people richard dawkins would acknowledge the biological existence of purpose [01:31] *KindOne has quit (K-Lined) [01:31] CrystalMath samiamsam: he talked a lot about a feature of the brain that creates an illusion of purpose, one that is useful for survival, but not real [01:31] baronhk[m] It's another luxury of being rich. You get in trouble, just flee the jurisdiction. Fuck 'em. You don't need a 9-5 or a crummy apartment. [01:31] samiamsam baronhk[m]: except the governor can literally just decide to extradite for any reason they like [01:32] baronhk[m] They typically don't unless the state that wants them agrees to pay for it. [01:32] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:32] baronhk[m] Unless it's a felony. [01:32] techrights-bot "Gaming on the #Librem 14 is respectful, ad-free, and covers most game classes at no upfront or monthly cost, all while protecting your data." https://puri.sm/posts/gaming-on-the-librem-14/ #freesw #games [01:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-puri.sm | Gaming on the Librem 14 Purism [01:32] samiamsam i know they normally don't do it. but it's a celebrity, not a normal case [01:33] CrystalMath samiamsam: the point is, our brains are hardwired to believe in purpose only because any other brain would have died out, but to me that says nothing; i don't see anything wrong with dying out, either [01:33] baronhk[m] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/marilyn-manson-wanted-in-new-hampshire-on-assault-warrant/ar-AAKnwoc?li=BBnbcA1 [01:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Marilyn Manson wanted in New Hampshire on assault warrant [01:33] CrystalMath samiamsam: to believe the results of evolution is to hold onto the assumption that being alive is good - but i don't buy it [01:33] CrystalMath samiamsam: i'm not buying that life is better than death [01:33] baronhk[m] The sex assault would be easier to clear up. They just want money. Settle it out of court. [01:34] *ubuntourist has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [01:34] CrystalMath samiamsam: even though i believe that it's always wrong to take a life, i believe it's always okay to commit suicide [01:34] techrights-bot #twitter #surveillance https://www.maketecheasier.com/get-started-with-twitter-spaces/ if you use Twitter for PERSONAL comms, congrats. Darwin award for you... and maybe tandoori oven https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-34474798 [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Everything You Need to Know to Get Started Using Twitter Spaces - Make Tech Easier [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | Meet Twitter's second biggest shareholder, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal - BBC News [01:34] samiamsam CrystalMath: i get what you're saying but it's got type errors. the capacity for purpose is like the capacity to pick up a branch with your hand. a feature some organisms have and some don't [01:34] baronhk[m] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/chicago-alderman-wants-to-cap-ride-share-surge-pricing/ar-AAKnCGX?ocid=hplocalnews [01:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msn.com | Chicago alderman wants to cap ride-share surge pricing [01:35] baronhk[m] Chicago wants to get rid of surge pricing. Why not? Makes it easier for them to raise tax again. [01:35] schestowitz anyway, back to tech [01:35] schestowitz you interjected sex into the channel again [01:35] baronhk[m] Either that or they don't understand how markets work. They're Democrats, so.... [01:36] samiamsam CrystalMath: it's a biological feature of the human species, NOT an 'illusion', even if part of how that feature works involves humans inventing illusory explanations for things [01:36] CrystalMath samiamsam: but you assume that it's a feature, why? [01:36] CrystalMath i can just as well see it as a bug [01:36] samiamsam i don't mean feature as oppose to bug i just mean aspect or element [01:36] baronhk[m] If 10 people need a ride and there are 20 Ubers sitting around, the price will be lower than if 20 people need a ride and there are 10 Ubers. [01:36] CrystalMath samiamsam: yes but that was just created by evolution for predictable reasons [01:36] baronhk[m] Please tell me that you cannot be this dumb and in office. [01:36] CrystalMath samiamsam: evolution merely optimises for life [01:37] CrystalMath samiamsam: but why is that goal itself important? [01:37] techrights-bot #mozilla : "Your personal data is yours".... HAHAHAHAHA!! Oops, sorry... HAHAHA... seriously, Mozilla, who do you think you're kidding? #firefox no longer protects privacy and it helps amass data by various parties including #google https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2021/05/25/updates-to-firefoxs-breach-alert-policy/ [01:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Updates to Firefox's Breach Alert Policy - Mozilla Security Blog [01:37] samiamsam again, importance exists within the evolved brain. it is a type error to talk about importance outside the domain of "things the brain ranks in importance" [01:37] CrystalMath samiamsam: i wouldn't hold any feature of the human brain to be important [01:38] baronhk[m] True, at this rate there will eventually be a lot of men sitting around doing nothing living on their wife, smoking pot and playing XBOX because women want babies bad enough to marry THESE people. [01:38] CrystalMath samiamsam: the brain is wrong, its view of reality is quite broken [01:38] CrystalMath samiamsam: but some people are able to think beyond it [01:38] baronhk[m] Then their defective unemployed genes spread and we go further down the rabbit hole. [01:38] CrystalMath and reach the point when they see how incredibly limited the brain is [01:38] CrystalMath that's when you truly open your eyes [01:38] CrystalMath and realize - we're worthless beings [01:38] CrystalMath everything is worthless [01:38] CrystalMath nothing really matters [01:38] samiamsam i don't know, brother [01:39] techrights-bot Maybe this is why #microsoft and #qualcomm have been 'spamming' sites all day long (on Tuesday) http://linuxgizmos.com/arm-announces-first-armv9-cores-including-powerhouse-cortex-x2/ [01:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 520 @ http://linuxgizmos.com/arm-announces-first-armv9-cores-including-powerhouse-cortex-x2/ ) [01:39] schestowitz psydroid: ^ [01:39] baronhk[m] This is the sort of shit that happens. My cousins both married men like this. [01:39] samiamsam i suspect you have some emotional reasons you aren't revealing [01:39] CrystalMath samiamsam: i've kinda had this sort of idea since i was born, somehow [01:40] baronhk[m] One made the evening news because he stole money out of her purse to go to the liquor store after he promised he'd quit drinking, and it got robbed while he was in there, and he couldn't get out without being on camera. [01:40] CrystalMath but i guess i see all of my exploration in thoughts as a part of a road to here [01:40] CrystalMath that could be just because i'm here [01:40] schestowitz CrystalMath: you are nearly 30 [01:40] schestowitz you know what THAT means.. [01:40] CrystalMath schestowitz: approaching lastday? [01:40] baronhk[m] Meanwhile, I won't reproduce at all. [01:40] schestowitz doomsday clock [01:41] schestowitz baronhk[m]: raise a cat [01:41] schestowitz they don't buy or litter much [01:41] baronhk[m] Why would I want to, for starters? So that I can be even poorer than I am now and have a 50/50 chance of spreading bipolar disorder down the line? [01:41] CrystalMath schestowitz: ever watched Logan's Run? [01:41] schestowitz no [01:41] baronhk[m] At least I'm decent enough to not go there. [01:41] schestowitz I heard of it [01:42] CrystalMath schestowitz: that's the movie where people die when they reach 30 in a ritual [01:42] samiamsam i have two kids. and i'm going to take one outside for a few minutes right now. later folks. [01:42] schestowitz "In Time" is OK [01:42] CrystalMath that time is called "lastday" [01:42] schestowitz but different story line [01:42] schestowitz people buying time to live [01:42] CrystalMath they're called up and get wiped out [01:42] samiamsam "In Time" was pretty neat, better than you might expect [01:42] samiamsam bye [01:43] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Time [01:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | In Time - Wikipedia [01:43] schestowitz I watched it a few years ago [01:43] baronhk[m] My dad was even more of a freak than being in every cult in Indiana and Scientology. [01:43] schestowitz the concept is interesting [01:43] schestowitz with organ farming and all not too unthinkable and far-fetched either [01:43] baronhk[m] He had what could pretty much only be described as a dungeon of pornography. Stuff he probably spent tens of thousands of dollars on. [01:44] baronhk[m] He put it in bookshelves, in filing cabinets. Everywhere. [01:44] baronhk[m] One day I found some when I was about 5, and I got the belt for looking at stuff he left all around the house. [01:44] schestowitz at 5? [01:44] baronhk[m] Yep. [01:44] schestowitz belt? [01:44] schestowitz wow [01:44] schestowitz harsh [01:45] baronhk[m] He's meaner than hell. [01:45] schestowitz does he need a belt to hurt a little kid? [01:45] schestowitz many people find their parents' 'stash' sooner or later [01:45] baronhk[m] Well, then whenever mom is angry at me she calls me by his name. [01:45] schestowitz either propr of literature or tapes [01:45] baronhk[m] Blames me for all of her fuck-ups. [01:45] schestowitz props [01:45] baronhk[m] Has Mandy calling me Carl too. [01:46] schestowitz lol [01:46] schestowitz he'll pray for you [01:46] baronhk[m] He knows it makes my blood boil, so he says Carl whenever he's mad. [01:46] schestowitz test: [[In Time]] [01:46] schestowitz test: [In Time] [01:46] schestowitz test: [InTime] [01:46] schestowitz hmmm... freenode could handle this before [01:47] schestowitz test: [Castle] [01:47] schestowitz test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=Castle [01:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Castle - Wikipedia [01:47] schestowitz ah, ok [01:47] schestowitz still works [01:47] schestowitz double [[ and ]] [01:48] schestowitz aight, lads. time for Daily Links [01:48] schestowitz cutoff 2:30 when the bulletin gets generated for the day [01:48] baronhk[m] Well, anyone who knows me knows I don't spend $20 on a pair of shoes more often than every few years. [01:48] *Ariadne (~ariadne@quassel.ariadne.space) has joined #techrights [01:48] baronhk[m] Much less a $20,000 stash of porn. (In 1990 dollars.) [01:49] baronhk[m] The self-esteem movement, Carlin was right. It churned out a lot of really bad folks. [01:50] baronhk[m] By its nature, it encourages people to look to external sources of self-validation and nothing in our society encourages frugality or any other sort of wisdom or long term thinking for that matter. [01:50] techrights-bot #Debian : FAIme, LZ4, and EasyOS Latest http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151595 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian: FAIme, LZ4, and EasyOS Latest | Tux Machines [01:50] baronhk[m] FUCKED [01:50] schestowitz hi, Ariadne [01:50] CrystalMath hi Ariadne, i'm glad you're back on #techrights [01:51] schestowitz baronhk[m]: that sounds like chronic addiction [01:51] schestowitz for a 'stash' [01:52] techrights-bot #Arduino and #Hardware for (Mostly) GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151596 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arduino and Hardware for (Mostly) GNU/Linux | Tux Machines [01:54] baronhk[m] Psychology is not convinced porn addiction is a thing but they must not have met Carl. [01:54] techrights-bot #ibm calling its "health" product after a Nazi (and later has the audacity to say the #freesw community is insensitive) https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b148I3m#replies see http://techrights.org/2021/04/25/ibm-germany-history/ [01:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | WATSON HEALTH - post regarding IBM layoffs [01:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Documentary: IBM Founder (Watson) Gave a Nazi Salute, Admired Hitler, Said Hitler Was Doing the Right Thing | Techrights [01:57] techrights-bot #Games : #SteamPal Rumours, CSGO, and Gaming on the Librem 14 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151597 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [01:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: SteamPal Rumours, CSGO, and Gaming on the Librem 14 | Tux Machines [01:58] baronhk[m] schestowitz Mandy was showing me a video of a nice modern shopping mall in Manila. [01:59] baronhk[m] I'm guessing that's the part we're _supposed_ to see? [01:59] schestowitz there are several manilas [01:59] schestowitz he comes from tondo [01:59] schestowitz it's where some people flock from villages thinking that proximity to wealth will in its own right beget opportunity ● May 26 [02:00] schestowitz so they live in slums and stuff and just stay in some sinking city [02:00] baronhk[m] I don't know if or when we can renew his passport. Their government says only in LA can you do that right now. [02:00] schestowitz better than "smokey mountain" [02:00] schestowitz landfill as a 'home' [02:00] baronhk[m] So he may become a US citizen before we ever get around to it. [02:02] techrights-bot "ROXANNE (Real time network, text, and speaker analytics for combating organized crime) is an EU funded collaborative research and innovation project, aiming to unmask criminal networks and their members as well as to reveal the true identity of perpetrators" https://roxanne-euproject.org/ [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-roxanne-euproject.org | ROXANNE [02:02] techrights-bot Sen. Ron Johnson Doesnt Care If Your Wages Dont Cover Childcare. The Marketplace Has Spoken https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ron-johnson-wages-childcare-1173533/ [02:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Ron Johnson Doesn't Care If Your Wages Don't Cover Childcare - Rolling Stone [02:03] techrights-bot #gopkkk 'populism' https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/republican-governors-federal-unemployment-benefits-1173976/ [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | GOP Governors Are Opting States Out of Federal Unemployment Benefits - Rolling Stone [02:03] baronhk[m] Now they spew money at people with kids. [02:03] baronhk[m] Causing hyperinflation and misery for us. [02:03] *lavendereyes (~lavendere@gateway/tor-sasl/lavendereyes) has joined #techrights [02:03] techrights-bot "Daniel Ellsberg is challenging the constitutionality of the Espionage Actopenly breaking the law to expose an insane Pentagon plan to use pre-emptive nuclear strikes on mainland China in a Taiwan conflict" https://social.jesuislibre.net/@snowden/106281940040928719 [02:03] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [02:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Edward Snowden [bot]: "Daniel Ellsberg is challenging the constitutional" - social.jesuislibre.net [02:03] alextee lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTiAWZ1YfzI [02:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-THEY HAVE PLAYED US PROGRAMMERS FOR ABSOLUTE FOOLS - YouTube [02:04] baronhk[m] I am with the Republicans on this. Bring back the job search or no bennies. [02:04] techrights-bot "The #Biden administration's (carefully worded) support for a #WTO IP waiver on vaccines may not be the full-throated support the issue warrants, but it was still a complete reversal of decades of subservience to #BigPharma " https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/106274109373042297 [02:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "The Biden administration's (carefully worded) sup" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [02:05] baronhk[m] It certainly doesn't hurt to make people drop in three applications somewhere each week. [02:05] techrights-bot #curl founder: "please consider donating some of your valuable time to help us improve!" https://mastodon.social/@bagder/106288679482124687 #deleyegithub #proprietarySoftware #microsoft [02:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Daniel Stenberg: "The curl user survey 2021 https://daniel.haxx.se/" - Mastodon [02:05] baronhk[m] The worst thing that happens is they don't get hired and they get another unemployment check. [02:06] techrights-bot "The #Belarus plane hijack is a small reminder why it's generally not a good idea to let governments know who is going to where." https://mastodon.infra.de/@galaxis/106285985254850170 They wrongly thought @snowden flew with #bolivia pres. Grounded a plan forcibly. 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Hansteen: "If you're quite quick about it, you can make the " - Mastodon [02:07] techrights-bot "Most people never read terms of service - but even when they do, "agreements" are subject to unilateral "renegotiation" by companies that engineered high switching costs as a means of corralling you into clicking "I agree" to things no rational person would *ever* agree to." https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/106291087284432671 [02:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Cory Doctorow's linkblog: "Most people never read terms of service - but eve" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media Fdr [02:08] techrights-bot #cows #fi #finland https://areena.yle.fi/1-50838975 [02:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-areena.yle.fi | Svenska Yle live: Koslpp i Liljendal | Yle stnyland - video | TV | Areena | yle.fi [02:09] baronhk[m] What really pisses me off is how the "news" takes the side of people who could work and just don't want a job because unemployment is there and they risk getting COVID. 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[02:45] *Ariadne has quit (Quit: hopping away, into the sunset) [02:45] techrights-bot The Western copycat (in #Texas ) of# RodneyGilstrap makes #patent #law look insane, corrupt, and worthy of abandonment https://www.law360.com/ip/articles/1388067/-patent-group-faults-albright-s-refusal-to-transfer-apple-case [02:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patent Group Faults Albright's Refusal To Transfer Apple Case - Law360 [02:49] techrights-bot #Chrome 91 Release and #Mozilla Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151604 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chrome 91 Release and Mozilla Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:50] techrights-bot #Ubuntu on #Dell , Raspberry Pi, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151603 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu on Dell, Raspberry Pi, and More | Tux Machines [02:50] techrights-bot #Oracle / #SUSE , Fedora, and IBM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151602 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle/SUSE, Fedora, and IBM | Tux Machines [02:55] techrights-bot #Intel and #AMD Linux Work http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151605 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [02:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel and AMD Linux Work | Tux Machines [02:56] techrights-bot #KDE : Active Applet Indicator and #Krita Funding http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151606 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Active Applet Indicator and Krita Funding | Tux Machines ● May 26 [03:03] techrights-ipfs Gemini requests since start of month: 124260 total Total pages: 35679 Active: active (running) since Fri 2021-03-26 00:17:05 GMT; 2 months 0 days ago [03:04] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats (past 23 hours) calculated. TotalIn: 1.7 GB TotalOut: 521 MB [03:04] techrights-ipfs New daily bulletin just generated. It is about to be added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with CID [03:08] techrights-ipfs QmTKai68FnVitaid23i2QQCPmYKGU8KBTRYyiefzstV3Q2 [03:16] baronhk[m] Lori Lightfoot has done such a great job as mayor that I looked up my old apartment from 2016-2017 in South Shore. It's 50% more expensive and with 70% more gunshots going off nearby. Woohoo. [03:16] saint_dogbert liberal utopia what with all those anti-gun laws making it safe for everyone [03:16] baronhk[m] But mjg59is pleased with her mayoralty because she's black and came here to munch carpet and raise taxes. [03:17] baronhk[m] I got my FOID card back after my appeal. I need to blog about this. [03:17] baronhk[m] Maybe it'll be in the queue tomorrow. [03:18] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 34.56 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 60.78 swarm size (avg): 230.60 [03:19] saint_dogbert baronhk[m]: If you do, would you send me a link? I'd be interested in reading what Chicago is like from a gun owners perspective [03:20] baronhk[m] I don't have one. They made me surrender the card last time before I could buy one. [03:20] baronhk[m] I just got it back a couple weeks ago. [03:21] saint_dogbert :/ [03:21] baronhk[m] When they noticed that the court had taken away my right to have a gun/FOID card, it was 8 months into a 12 month court order. [03:21] baronhk[m] :) [03:22] baronhk[m] Meanwhile, they just let a dude who sodomized and murdered a 16 year old in the Cook County Forest Preserve in 1972 out for good behavior, and he immediately vanished without reporting to his parole officer. [03:22] baronhk[m] And that's not the worst thing they've done this year. [03:22] saint_dogbert any chance he was offed by a family member of the vic? [03:23] baronhk[m] And dumped in the Forest Preserve? [03:23] baronhk[m] I certainly hope so. [03:23] baronhk[m] Maybe some Lori fan will find him on the bike path and scream. [03:23] saint_dogbert or is now more useful serving as part of a foundation for a new building? [03:24] *willyg_cos has quit (Quit: Gone...) [03:24] baronhk[m] There's still a skyscraper going up. [03:24] baronhk[m] Once they start, they don't stop. [03:24] baronhk[m] They won't be starting new ones for a while, I suppose. [03:25] saint_dogbert Probably not with the way the economy is going [03:25] baronhk[m] It's bad to build new capacity in a real estate market that has two years of inventory already. [03:25] saint_dogbert maybe we can ship some of our illegals over there to take up some of the excess inventory? [03:26] saint_dogbert Seems like they'd welcomed with open arms anyway by Lightfoot [03:26] baronhk[m] Probably. [03:27] saint_dogbert Crazy Joe has been dumping them off in the North Western States during the night [03:27] baronhk[m] They were spending millions of city tax dollars on lawyers for people who jumped a fence and said I'm here. [03:27] saint_dogbert And handing out cash and food cards [03:27] baronhk[m] They had a city "stimulus" that only illegal immigrants got. [03:28] saint_dogbert Figures [03:28] saint_dogbert :\ [03:28] saint_dogbert How many billions went into that fund? [03:28] baronhk[m] They said "private" sources and wouldn't disclose who paid it. [03:28] saint_dogbert probably that funding for gender studies included in the pork bill [03:28] baronhk[m] Read: The city sold bonds that won't come due for 40 years and you'll know all about it then. [03:28] saint_dogbert and the water finding expeditions for Tibet [03:29] saint_dogbert Among other items [03:30] baronhk[m] Lori said she would henceforth only be interviewed by black and brown reporters. [03:30] baronhk[m] Preferably of the female variety. [03:31] baronhk[m] The media in Chicago is "too white and male" so white men are locked out of interviews. [03:31] baronhk[m] Which is totally not racist at all. Not that I know why you'd want to interview THAT except for the lulz. [03:31] saint_dogbert That isn't exactly surprising anymore [03:31] saint_dogbert heard that [03:32] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [03:32] saint_dogbert So what do you think? War on the horizon? [03:33] saint_dogbert Usually, when people talk to me about whats going on, they bring that topic up [03:33] saint_dogbert so might as well ask [03:33] baronhk[m] schestowitzseems to think a civil war in the US is not out of the question. [03:34] saint_dogbert I think its coming. With the way the Feds are targeting people for trespassing yet ignoring all the rioters last summer [03:34] baronhk[m] I think the media and tech companies want to race bait and they're probably going to shove us into another hot, hot August of looting and burning. [03:34] saint_dogbert people being held in DC jails without charges, bail, etc [03:35] saint_dogbert Its not out of the question that the USA might be in war soon [03:35] baronhk[m] You can see the inflation go up almost minute by minute. [03:35] saint_dogbert yep [03:35] baronhk[m] A 24 pack of Coke is $7.98 at Walmart "on rollback" due to the holiday. [03:36] saint_dogbert and jobs disappearing while states cut unemployment... homeless problem is about to get worse [03:36] baronhk[m] I noticed that they knocked the prices back on stuff for cookouts. Like they're fooling anyone. [03:36] saint_dogbert 8 million job openings to 13 million unemployed estimated [03:36] baronhk[m] A jar of miracle whip miraculously went from $3.78 to $3.48. [03:36] baronhk[m] Err, $4.78 to $3.48. [03:36] baronhk[m] Then Walmart managed to piss off everyone working there. [03:37] baronhk[m] They gave some of them a raise to $16-17, and left everyone else at $12. [03:39] CrystalMath rasengan: people from GNU have asked me about the new sentence in the freenode policy, "Primary channels are required to stay open."; GNU is still not sure about whether to stay on freenode or not; they're concerned that it means that projects are not allowed to leave freenode; could it be clarified somehow to solve that misunderstanding? [03:42] CrystalMath alternatively, would you have the time to join the #fsf meeting tomorrow about their presence on IRC? [03:44] baronhk[m] I think my catalytic converter is about to have some big trouble. [03:44] baronhk[m] I noticed my car makes some popping noises after I've been driving it for a while. [03:44] baronhk[m] Only on acceleration. [03:45] baronhk[m] Cat clog is the first thing I thought of because if it was a suspension part, it would just be broken or not broken. [03:49] CrystalMath rasengan: sorry, i made a mistake, it's not tomorrow it's on thursday [03:50] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● May 26 [04:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.15 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 45.41 swarm size (avg): 230.65 [04:22] XRevan86 https://nitter.cc/ariadneconill/status/1397372792660713472 does k-lining mean what I think it means? [04:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.cc | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "they k-lined almost all ex-staffers just now, but won't k-line me. the problem of being IRC royalty, i guess" | nitter [04:22] MinceR and now they've set up a bot to automatically reassign ownership of channels they detected as being "closed" (incorrectly) to some sort of placeholder account... and close the channels [04:22] MinceR brilliant. [04:22] MinceR #bedrock has become unusable [04:23] MinceR it's like they _want_ to lose users [04:25] XRevan86 MinceR: Which network? I cannot tell from context. [04:25] MinceR freenode [04:25] CrystalMath XRevan86: freenode [04:25] MinceR this one [04:27] XRevan86 MinceR: Oh, I couldn't believe even ye stopped liking what's going on. [04:27] MinceR well, this is just stupid and self-destructive [04:27] CrystalMath it really should have been supervised rather than using a bot [04:28] MinceR indeed [04:28] MinceR but this should be obvious to any competent oper [04:28] XRevan86 I read https://freenode.net/news/for-foss and it's like reading a Soviet newspaper. [04:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode exists for FOSS - freenode [04:30] XRevan86 https://nitter.cc/ariadneconill/status/1397374294255091713 I promise I didn't see this post before writing that. [04:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.cc | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "...of the people's republic of freenode" | nitter [04:55] alextee lol freenode just hijacked my channel " This channel has been reopened with respect to the communities and new users. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies" [04:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | The Policies - freenode [04:55] MinceR what was in the topic before? [04:55] MinceR did it allow people to join and talk? [04:55] alextee that the channel moved to libera [04:55] alextee yeah [04:55] MinceR well, that's what they shot at [04:56] alextee well, how am i supposed to tell people in the channel to move if they haven't seen it/moved yet? [04:56] MinceR though i'm not sure why it bothers them that people can talk in a channel that's being moved or whatever [04:56] MinceR \_()_/ [04:56] XRevan86 There were debates before, I think this settles the matter. [04:56] MinceR yeah [04:56] CrystalMath alextee: don't move to libera :P [04:56] CrystalMath it's very similar [04:56] MinceR yeah [04:56] CrystalMath err, i mean, it's very simple [04:56] MinceR move to umbrellanet :) [04:56] CrystalMath just don't move to libera [04:56] CrystalMath i'm super tired [04:56] CrystalMath i don't know what i'm typing anymore [04:57] *alextee tries to figure out how to tell the matrix frenode bridge to unbridge itself [04:57] MinceR the topic of #bedrock was: "#bedrock at irc.libera.chat and irc.oftc.net already set up, may officially move to one shortly | Current stable version: 0.7.20, current beta: N/A | https://bedrocklinux.org | politics/drama/significantly-offtopic -> ##bedrock-chat" [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bedrocklinux.org | Bedrock Linux [04:57] MinceR and it still fell victim to this [04:57] MinceR and now we can't talk there [04:58] XRevan86 CrystalMath: I think ye are incredibly biased. ● May 26 [05:00] XRevan86 This is the point where freenode loses all support, and CrystalMath still would rather give in to the chaos rather than admit that he picked the wrong horse. [05:00] MinceR the chaos has some good things about it, though [05:00] MinceR CrystalMath: oftc isn't better btw [05:00] MinceR https://www.oftc.net/staff/ [05:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oftc.net | OFTC - Staff [05:00] CrystalMath Myon, i know [05:00] XRevan86 MinceR: It's an ultimate loss of truth, there are no upsides to that. [05:00] CrystalMath and tomaw [05:01] XRevan86 trust, err [05:01] MinceR and RichiH, and mcgovern [05:01] CrystalMath oh damn [05:02] XRevan86 MinceR, CrystalMath: So these people bother you more than the staff at freenode? [05:02] CrystalMath yes [05:02] CrystalMath absolutely [05:02] MinceR in a way, yes [05:02] CrystalMath this bot capture GAVE me 2 channels :P [05:02] MinceR the staff of freenode seem to be merely incompetent [05:02] MinceR the oftc/libera people are malicious [05:02] CrystalMath because i ran the unofficial variants [05:02] CrystalMath but i wasn't sure what to do with them [05:03] MinceR lol [05:03] MinceR so it doesn't assign everything to their placeholder account? [05:03] XRevan86 MinceR: https://nitter.cc/ariadneconill/status/1397385209260224512 I think ye missed the memo. [05:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.cc | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "like that person is literally insane from what i can tell" | nitter [05:04] MinceR i can't really be angry at cpunches for going after anti-free software SJWs [05:04] MinceR those people are scum [05:05] XRevan86 MinceR: phanes is accused of sending death threats. [05:05] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: The former freenode staff are lying to you! Support Andrew Lee! | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/lee-side.pdf) [05:06] MinceR what sorts of death threats? [05:06] XRevan86 MinceR: That's not bloody malicious? Just because ye don't share some hecking opinions? [05:06] kakama MinceR: I agree that the coc sjw stick in the mud no fun types that would have run off to Liberia were lame [05:06] kakama but the weird channel killing stuff that happened a bit ago is kinda weird too [05:07] XRevan86 No wonder the Internet is such a melting pot of misery. [05:07] MinceR XRevan86: beheading the FSF so that IBM and microsoft suits can take over and turn code that was assigned to the FSF or that had an "or later" license into IBM/microsoft property is more than just "some hecking opinions" [05:07] MinceR XRevan86: canceling people in the way of monopolies is also more than just "some hecking opinions" [05:08] MinceR kakama: yeah, this channel killing stuff is utterly idiotic and will probably drive a lot of projects off freenode [05:08] MinceR and will probably turn a lot of people against freenode [05:08] kakama I feel like if that wasn't done, the 'overcoming inertia' of changing servers would have had a lot of people reconnecting to freenode for a long time, maybe forever [05:09] kakama and if Liberia fails like so many other networks, they would instinctively return here [05:09] XRevan86 MinceR: And Trotsky deserved his death for treason against the Stalin's vision of what the country needs to survive. [05:09] MinceR XRevan86: do i look like someone who shares stalin's vision of what is needed? [05:09] kakama but not if the channel gets shut down in weird raids like a 3 AM rave [05:09] XRevan86 MinceR: Did that look like the point I am making? [05:10] MinceR XRevan86: dunno [05:11] samiamsam what's this channel killing thing? [05:11] MinceR samiamsam: see above [05:11] XRevan86 MinceR: No matter how horribly wrong ye think these people are and if maybe they're shepherding FOSS to its doom, there are opinions (strong or not) and then there are simple objective facts. [05:12] MinceR samiamsam: i mentioned it with regards to #bedrock [05:12] kakama samiamsam: seems like it happened to quite a few, basically channels where the topic was like WE MOVED TO LIBERIA had opbot come in and change the topic to 'this topic violates network policies reee' and then mass deop everyone [05:12] kakama and set the channel to +m [05:12] *buzzert_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:12] kakama then in some act of cybernetic remorse the bot says 'this channel is reopened no ill will' but didn't unset the +m or reop anyone lmao [05:12] *kakama crunches down on some popcorn [05:13] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [05:13] XRevan86 MinceR: There are certain civil boundaries that must not be crossed. I don't even care who or why. [05:13] MinceR XRevan86: the "impersonation" thing looks like changing nicks on irc [05:13] MinceR XRevan86: what actually happened? [05:13] kakama also if you go to #freenode it's a weird one sided +m mode where the ops can see what everyone types but you can only see what ops type so it looks hella schizo [05:13] MinceR kakama: not only did it not reop anyone, it changed ownership of the channel to some placeholder account [05:13] kakama yeah [05:13] XRevan86 MinceR: Wait, I haven't heard of that. [05:13] MinceR that "one sided" mode is +z [05:14] kakama ah [05:14] *buzzert (~buzzert@buzzert.net) has joined #techrights [05:14] baronhk[m] Current global users: 68347 [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://freenode.net/news/ ) [05:14] kakama I am from efnet, I don't know how all these city slicker modes and services work [05:14] MinceR lol @ city slicker [05:14] baronhk[m] Nyet, comrade! The Politburo would never admit to losing half of users in a month. [05:14] MinceR /quote help cmode [05:15] baronhk[m] Is double. [05:15] MinceR "Current global users 66518," [05:15] -rasengan-[Global Notice] In the recent policy enforcement, some channels were erroneously included. We greatly apologize for the inconvenience. Please contact us in #freenode-services or contact-us@freenode.net. Thanks for your patience and choosing freenode! [05:15] kakama it's sad cuz I really thought maybe the really insufferable types would leave freenode, possibly freeing it of the eternal nickname freechode [05:15] MinceR you can see it with /lusers [05:15] MinceR lol [05:15] kakama and then maybe freenode could be fun and stuff [05:15] MinceR yeah, i was hoping it would be a more chill place [05:15] XRevan86 MinceR: Impersonation thing? Where? [05:15] kakama but I guess one lame irc network turned into two lame irc networks [05:16] MinceR with less of the "we're not IRC", "we're not competing" and #/## madness [05:16] MinceR XRevan86: https://nitter.fdn.fr/mjg59/status/1397384190644002818#m [05:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://nitter.fdn.fr/mjg59/status/1397384190644002818#m ) [05:16] *alextee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [05:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 32.33 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 41.91 swarm size (avg): 230.68 [05:16] MinceR i thought you were talking about this [05:16] kakama or more like one lame new one with the old one's pretentiousness and one weird zombie network that appears to be schizophrenia incarnate [05:17] kakama I will say tho I never seen this techrights blog until all this drama, had a read at the articles on it, big fan, good stuff [05:17] samiamsam "In the recent policy enforcement, some channels were erroneously included." [05:17] MinceR duh [05:17] samiamsam poetry [05:17] baronhk[m] I thought we went over this. As long as black carpet muncher is in charge, who cares if rent goes up 50% and gunfire increases 70%? At least in mjg59world. [05:17] MinceR lol [05:17] MinceR mjg59 is not the point of that link [05:17] MinceR 26 060351 <+XRevan86> MinceR: https://nitter.cc/ariadneconill/status/1397385209260224512 I think ye missed the memo. [05:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.cc | Ariadne Conill (@ariadneconill): "like that person is literally insane from what i can tell" | nitter [05:18] baronhk[m] If he's angry about anything in Chicago, it's probably that the mayor isn't a black lesbian after undergoing a sex change. [05:18] MinceR it's the first post linked in the above thread [05:18] kakama I'm sorry are you implying there is a dark skin lesbian in charge of a city full of guns and landlord profit? [05:18] kakama how do I go [05:18] MinceR or retweeted, or whatever [05:18] kakama that sounds awesome as hell [05:18] baronhk[m] We need to pack as many checkmarks into this thing as possible. [05:18] MinceR gunfire isn't necessarily a bad thing anyway [05:18] baronhk[m] MinceR: It applies to the Freenode/Libera Chat feud as well, I suppose. [05:18] MinceR you can practice with targets, for example [05:18] MinceR you can have fun with tannerite [05:19] baronhk[m] It's infighting in FOSS. Exactly what his bosses want. [05:19] MinceR yeah [05:19] baronhk[m] And Libera Chat has already adopted his favorite CoC. [05:19] kakama I own a duplex and have guns, rent and gunfire are my favourite [05:19] XRevan86 MinceR: Ah, right, I was thinking about the phanes thing. And just taking channels willy-nilly. [05:20] baronhk[m] The folks in Chicago kill about 2 people for every 15 they shot, and they're usually the wrong 2 people. [05:20] MinceR XRevan86: the death threat thing that was not explained further? [05:20] MinceR baronhk[m]: lol [05:20] baronhk[m] They ought to let them practice on each other in prison between Parole Board hearings. [05:20] baronhk[m] (On the Parole Board too.) [05:21] MinceR as for the "taking channels" thing, part of that was almost justified [05:21] baronhk[m] Maybe if those fuckers actually had to deal with any of this shit they'd stop letting them out. [05:21] MinceR it's just that the bot did the wrong thing there too, as the point would have been setting the channel -mi [05:21] kakama baronhk[m]: yeah overall the fighting and feuding seems to be the goal [05:21] XRevan86 MinceR: The impersonation thing does look intentional. [05:21] kakama which is kind of how irl is these days [05:22] MinceR XRevan86: it also looks pretty uninteresting [05:22] kakama like you want to say 'those guys are being insane' but they have insane opposition and you try to do basically anything, you realize you're playing into the hands of the actors who are using subversion psyops marketing blah to create strife and conflict [05:22] kakama any kind of fight against anything is itself losing the larger war [05:23] kakama hell of a pickle, lads. [05:23] baronhk[m] If the state actually wanted the violence to be over, it would be....and fast. [05:23] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-225-66-103-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [05:23] baronhk[m] The state has reminded us all that it can do anything it wants, whenever it wants, and nobody will stop it. It just chooses not to. [05:23] kakama easy enough to start shitflinging in foss, now that those oh so infectious memes that disguise themselves as 'progress' (at the cost and suffering of real progress) have entered teh game [05:24] kakama well yeah, the violence is induced [05:24] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:24] baronhk[m] When he was sitting in his bunker last year, Trump implied that martial law would get things under control fast. [05:24] kakama the guy throwing the brick through a window, the guy driving his truck through a crowd, everyone thinks they're fighting the system, but the system is the fighting [05:24] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [05:25] baronhk[m] You go in, you kill anyone who shoots at the military, you go into their homes, take the guns, and the drugs, and find a deep, dark hole for as many lawbreakers as you encounter who surrender. [05:26] kakama Dr. Kaczynski has some very salient points about what he referred to as 'leftism' though I think that should be divorced from American political positions as a term [05:26] kakama but the general concept of moving goalposts so the end goal is never reached, never quite enough [05:26] baronhk[m] While people were tearing up Chicago, instead of having the National Guard out firing off 5.56 at them, Pritzker had them directing traffic so that CPD could sleep on couches. [05:27] baronhk[m] I think they arrested like 13-14 people, something like that. Crowd of hundreds. That sends a message too. [05:27] kakama sucks up movements that should be common sense and good (don't be racist, don't hate gays) and turns them into something else far more radical, which ultimately hurts everyone (especially the marginalized groups they claim to protect) [05:27] baronhk[m] Which is why it will happen this summer. [05:28] buzzert i think you guys are assuming the general public is also not tired of this [05:28] kakama naw they are buzzert [05:28] buzzert you do not have a minority opinion [05:28] kakama that's the beautiful trick of these kind of psyops games [05:28] buzzert this is something social media algorithms do. they make you think you're the only one who thinks a particular way and everyone else is "crazy" [05:29] kakama manipulate a radical minority and then give them the megaphone, viciously attack anyone who questions the emperor's clothes so that the majority is kept in control via fear [05:29] baronhk[m] Pretty much. I mean, I think I commented "Try not backing up at the police or pulling a gun on them and you'll probably live." on Facebook. [05:29] baronhk[m] That started a shitstorm. [05:29] kakama in some form this has been repeated throughout history but now it's got that whacky algorithm-content-feed thing happening [05:30] baronhk[m] I mean, I don't like dealing with the police. Nobody does. But "this is usually what happens when you fight back". [05:30] *alextee (alextee@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/alextee) has joined #techrights [05:30] kakama I almost want it to all be just-as-planned by the Chinese/Russians/US/whoever, that's a nice illusion of someone being in control [05:30] baronhk[m] They're in control of what they want to be in control of. [05:30] baronhk[m] It was cheaper to let some Oakley sunglasses go than pay taxes to put those folks in prison. [05:31] baronhk[m] So they'll escalate. [05:31] XRevan86 MinceR: eh, okay then [05:31] kakama but it is more likely to me that the jump iun communications technology, especially the monkey's paw wish of 'algorithims that show you what you want to see', have accelerated the rate at which memes are spread and evolved [05:32] kakama so a number of parties play the game of manipulating the ever-accelerating human psychic field we manifest through communications technology, and the whole thing just goes faster and faster, dangerous memes popping up and getting stuck in people [05:32] baronhk[m] I just updated Tor Browser on my phone. [05:32] baronhk[m] I had the version from August of last year. [05:32] baronhk[m] Somehow, the Guardian Project's repo got unchecked in F-Droid. [05:33] baronhk[m] I don't use it much on my phone so I never noticed. [05:33] kakama stand alone complex shit popping off, acts of terrorism arising because some combination of ideas in a weird bubble trapped and exploded someone into a rampage [05:34] kakama and being aware of this does not prevent you from being subject to the forces of it, we're all on this train and none of us are immune to propoganda [05:34] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:34] buzzert including the propaganda that the country is "more divided than ever" ;P [05:34] kakama but damn the printing press caused a lot of shit overall for humanity [05:34] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [05:34] kakama this shit is fucking wild [05:35] kakama yeah we really aren't, there's just radical elements that are encourage dinto being increasingly radical [05:35] MinceR the human species caused a lot of shit overall for this planet :> [05:35] baronhk[m] The Freenode post just gets worse as you keep reading. [05:36] baronhk[m] I haven't read any Soviet newspapers, but I imagine this is what it would read like. [05:36] kakama maybe because the Chinese want us to boog so they can sneak up and take Taiwan, maybe because the US gov wants to invoke all radical elements now so they can deal with the problem and eliminate threats to future toltalitarianism, or maybe Larry Paigerank and the Zucc are just kinda assholes with their pandora boxes of curated content [05:37] MinceR kakama: but isn't the whole tribe-specific "news"/"facts"/ filter bubble thing relatively new? [05:37] kakama It has always existed, but the speed at which memes can spread is faster [05:37] kakama I mean before printing press tech, how long did it take memes to be shared to others? [05:37] buzzert i think things will cool off once people get out of their damn houses [05:37] buzzert its already happening i think [05:38] kakama humans having to travel, tell stories, all very manual, musta taken years for some whacky meme that evolved in what they considered a city to propogate to the rest of the country [05:38] baronhk[m] Being online all day does mean you get sucked into a lot of weird shit. [05:38] buzzert yeap 100% [05:38] alextee[m] huh my channel's been made invite only [05:38] kakama with each tech burst that process moves faster and faster, and then the whole AI-filter-bubble nonsense just appeared [05:39] baronhk[m] Facebook doesn't moderate things all that well, so if you really start looking at people's pages, I mean..... [05:39] baronhk[m] This one person was shitting in adult diapers and posting the photos. [05:39] kakama so the speed at which we share ideas, the number of people who are doing so, all accelerating, if anything the algorithms arose as some inevitable result of this massive conciousness acceleration [05:39] baronhk[m] And when I reported it, they said it didn't violate their ToS. [05:40] MinceR kakama: i think it wasn't as practical for people to close themselves into an echo chamber of "news" with the spin of their tribe only [05:40] kakama I sometimes refer to it as a psychic field, not in a mystical sense but idk what else to call it, that emergent property of human conciousness with rapid communication [05:40] MinceR there weren't so many choices for media and the methodology wasn't worked out yet [05:40] kakama yeah MinceR definitely not [05:40] buzzert theres an interesting trend i noticed on twitter. ive spoken to people irl who talk about "friends they know" who are palestinian/trans/black/whatever, but if i press on that relationship a little further it turns out they have never actually met this person ever. they just follow them on twitter [05:40] buzzert but they think they're friends in real life [05:40] buzzert it's kind of psychotic [05:41] buzzert but its alarmingly common [05:41] kakama advertisting as a weapon of control only really came about in a major way last century [05:41] kakama buzzert: I wonder if it's the same kind of people who 15 years ago would mock any of us for having 'internet friends' saying we didn't really know them [05:41] baronhk[m] https://www.reddit.com/r/facebook/comments/nkvasx/i_just_got_blocked_from_fb_for_using_the_word/ [05:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | I just got blocked from FB for using the word Zionist in a conversation with a friend. WTF? : facebook [05:41] baronhk[m] "during a conversation with friends in a private group, we were discussing the Israel/Palestine issue and then I wrote the word Zionist in the middle of a trivial comment, few seconds later I got the popup saying my account was restricted for 30 days for breaking FB community standards for hate speech" [05:41] *alextee has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:42] kakama maybe it's a different crew, might be mostly the older kinds who didn't understand how internet friends worked (real ones like IRC homies etc) [05:42] buzzert kakama: internet friends really meant something different when we were kids (assuming you're from before eternal september) [05:42] baronhk[m] https://www.reddit.com/r/facebook/comments/nl7k8h/are_you_ok_facebook/ [05:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Are you OK Facebook? : facebook [05:42] kakama I'm not from before First Impact eternal september I'm a 30yoboomer [05:43] kakama so I wandered onto rizon when I was 13 or so in the early 2000s [05:43] alextee[m] https://mastodon.social/web/timelines/tag/freenode [05:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | #freenode - Mastodon [05:43] kakama but the whole social media/iphone shit seems like second impact to me [05:44] buzzert yeah indeed [05:44] buzzert 2010 was the year [05:44] kakama maybe if you were around for the first time the internet died, idk how it seems in comparison [05:44] kakama but it seems pretty fucking night and day for me [05:44] buzzert i wasnt, im actually the same age as you [05:44] kakama I call it around 2008, since that's when Facebook opened the rainbow bridge for normalfags and the iphone came out [05:44] kakama >2006: haha your phone connects to wifi and runs windows ur a fucking nerd [05:45] kakama >2008: haha you don't use the internet on your phone all day? what a nerd! [05:45] kakama shit was weird [05:45] baronhk[m] Oh god, yeah, I knew someone with a Windows CE phone. [05:45] buzzert iphone 3gs i think was when it reached escape velocity [05:46] *alextee (alextee@gateway/vpn/nordvpn/alextee) has joined #techrights [05:47] MinceR secondo impacto :> [05:47] MinceR i had a winblows mobile 5 phone after my palmos pda bricked itself and before i switched to symbian :> [05:47] buzzert is there any going back? [05:47] buzzert people start hating their smartphones maybe? [05:48] MinceR after symbian i went to android [05:51] kakama for me it was the HTC Wizard [05:51] kakama Windows Mobile 5.1 [05:51] MinceR same for me [05:51] MinceR (Wizard 200, as Qtek 9100) [05:51] kakama 5. fucking 1, windows was in the smartphone game, but so retarded as to be like 'yeah so the start menu is just really tiny cuz it is mobile' [05:52] kakama Cingular 8125 branding here [05:52] MinceR well, it was better than "windows phone" [05:52] MinceR it had multitasking, copy/paste, sideloading [05:52] kakama overclocked that bitch so it burned my hand but I could emulate GBA games and play Pokemon Sapphire at 97% emulation speed [05:52] MinceR too bad alarms didn't work reliably and eventually it decided it won't even tether reliably [05:53] kingoffrance kakama, yeah, the memes get reversed everya few months. OMG you only have internet friends? OMG you aren't on facebook. and the phone wifi thing. one minute its lame. next its the norm [05:53] buzzert windows phone was good, actually [05:53] kakama windows mobile was nice to develop for [05:53] kakama emulator was good [05:54] kakama I wouldn't say every few months kingoffrance, it felt like only weird kids spent all their time online and then over the course of 2008 that flipped and everyone was online (and bad at it) [05:54] kingoffrance well, the reversals are amsuing OMG you want amazon to spy on you. OMG you dont have alexa. [05:54] kingoffrance critical mass or some such [05:54] kakama yeah that part is so shitty [05:54] MinceR lol [05:54] kakama universal surveillance state [05:55] kakama only protected by the fact that the various companies and governments are fighting each other too much to combine their data into hedgemony [05:55] kakama for now [05:55] kakama but we all live here knowing full well that one day the algorithm will be fed every IRC log on us it can find, every piece of social media data that others have put up about us, and, Allah forgive me but I do use Discord quite heavily since those retards can't figure out how to IRC [05:56] *alextee has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:56] kakama it'll have our number [05:56] kakama can't outsmart it, can't surprise it, The Beast will know us each better than we know ourselves [05:57] kakama down to the subtleties of aggregated averages and personal manifestations of 'if I change the next song to a slightly different one it will encourage a behavior path' [05:57] kingoffrance most the tv news does this too . the internet is a network of trolls and bloggers/fake journalists. (without any irony whatsoever, 2 minutes later) find us on twitter, visit our forums [05:58] kakama gigantic algorithims that emerged from our collective conciousness and desire, creating from themselves something we have yet to see and may never grasp, and those algorithims all mindlessly working with the singular design intent of 'be good at manipulating humans' [05:59] kakama manipulating us into happiness, in the best case, but not the usual case [05:59] kakama it's all so tiresome ● May 26 [06:01] kingoffrance theres a great comic MinceR posted long time ago (or just the site) if i can find it [06:03] kingoffrance person orders a meal and/or drink. restaurant/bartender gives something else. on average, ppl are happy with this lol [06:04] kingoffrance statistically, thats what you ordered lol [06:09] kakama person walks into a restaurant. the bartender has bartended for everyone who ever went to a bar and can tell from the way person walks, looks around, bobs their head, music playing, time of day, weather, venus in transit etc that person will order Drink 3 or Drink 7; resources to make Drink 7 cost the bar more, so bartender starts to prepare Drink 3. Bartender smiles and hums a tune while handing over [06:09] kakama the menu, knowing a chain of thought associations will steer person into ordering Drink 3. [06:10] kingoffrance well many places have those little tablet thing menus and to pay im sure it will get there [06:10] kakama Person orders Drink 3, the bartender brings it out with a smile. Person thinks they made a set of decisions. Bartender made better profit/resource allocation. The End. [06:10] kingoffrance matter of time how "suggestive" the menus become once its on a little tablet [06:11] kingoffrance or how "personalized" [06:11] kakama Afterword: Person sips on Drink 3, looking at all the people drinking the ever popular Drink 1, and thinks to themself 'what a bunch of sheep' [06:11] kakama yea I realllly hate the smartphone menu trend [06:12] kakama I have been one of those flipphone autists for a few years, ultimately forced into smartphone by stuff like work/2fa, and then corona stuff eliminating paper [06:13] kakama having done several recent years without a smartphone, man, they sure do make it trucky as fuck [06:13] kakama a handful of things still have the papersystems in place, like public transit, but they're trying to delete it, and every hobo has a smartphone because you can get them for 10 bucks at 7/11 [06:14] kakama ultimately it introduced a bunch of inconveniences and scenarios that had all the vibe of the numerous Seinfeld episodes that could have been prevented with a cell phone [06:15] kakama at least I could generally ask anyone over 50 for directions and they would give step by step stuff, not being conditioned to use Maps [06:15] kakama but really it's made impossible, not even for nefarious reasons mostly, just convenience, for now [06:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.53 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 57.63 swarm size (avg): 230.72 [06:16] kingoffrance last i saw few years ago there where still pay phones. just the phone book is gone, the receiver is missing, there's just a dangling cable lol [06:16] kakama Ted was right about the inevitability of progress crushing us and being turned against us, but his conclusions were irrational and even he admitted as much: destroy industrial society and it would inevitably rise again, because that's the direction evolution takes [06:16] kingoffrance i was in some areas without reception, good luck with the "pay phones" lol [06:16] kakama I looked long and hard for payphones, most that are listed were cut out long ago [06:17] kakama >there used to be a cool analog self-powered hardwired talkboxes all over the place and now they're gone [06:18] kakama part of the telephone system benefit is also that it always works, towers go down in a disaster and phones are cut, if the line still makes it to a payphone that bitch will dial [06:19] kakama though they were not very good at spying on you, not like the horrid little pocket computers [06:21] kakama it's all depressing but when I am optimistic I like to think that the battle between freedom and slavery is just part of that eternal battle of good and evil most religions and philosophies acknowledged [06:21] buzzert amen [06:22] kakama Good things are turned against us, but new things come out, people keep fighting, as long as we're not destroyed by some incredibly terrible meme I think there's a chance we can do ok [06:47] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, May 25, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [06:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [06:47] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [06:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [06:53] schestowitz XRevan86: we did not pick a horse [06:53] schestowitz we just stayed where we have been for over 13 years [06:53] schestowitz XRevan86: also, tweets are not sources [06:53] schestowitz they're random thoughts [06:54] *tagglink is now known as justsaying [06:56] techrights-bot Kevin E. Noonan keeps on pushing for #patents on life and nature as if they're inventions; greed clouds people's judgement if not their sanity. The #patent system became like a religion for some people, a religion where only money is worshipped. https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/05/cvc-files-reply-to-broads-opposition-to-cvcs-priority-motion.html [06:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: CVC Files Reply to Broad's Opposition to CVC's Priority Motion [06:57] techrights-bot With about 70k online users, #freenode doesn't seem to have suffered much from the previous volunteers' exit. The predictions of doom and gloom are motivated by personal objectives of some people. People who are sometimes hypocrites too, and can be accused of what they accuse others of. [06:58] *koo6 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● May 26 [07:00] techrights-bot All the #microsoft propaganda sites help Microsoft googlebomb the word "LINUX" to promote #windows #vista10 ... it's grotesque and instead of #linuxfoundation stepping in to protect the trademark they liaised with the enemy, looking to undermine Linux. Linux Foundation is defunct. [07:01] schestowitz the anti-RMS lobby https://ubuntu-news.org/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/ [07:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntu-news.org | Ubuntu Fridge | Announcing Ubuntus move to Libera Chat [07:01] schestowitz same people [07:01] MinceR microsoft controls LF, so of course they won't have it enforced against themselves :> [07:04] schestowitz actually, this one is not in the anti-RMS letter [07:05] schestowitz oh, wait, he us [07:05] schestowitz "Jos Antonio Rey (Ubuntu Community Council, freenode Staff)" [07:06] techrights-bot The very same people who tried to cancel the founder of #gnu #linux now try to cancel #freenode and forcibly move everyone off the network without as much as a consultation with users. Yes, Jos Antonio Rey, I'm looking at you... [07:07] techrights-bot ...the very same people who promote Microsoft WSL instead of Ubuntu are now making decisions for Ubuntu. #microsoft #vista10 #wsl #entryism #ubuntu [07:08] *namarrgo1 (~namarrgon@2001:ac8:37:5f::a07d) has joined #techrights [07:09] techrights-bot "WGS84 (also written WGS 84) is short for World Geodetic System 1984. It's the spatial standard used by most GPS receivers to calculate their position on the Earth's surface." https://www.datafix.com.au/BASHing/2021-05-26.html [07:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datafix.com.au | The Incrementing Fill-Down Error [07:11] techrights-bot NEWS #GRsearch #Programming In praise of -dry-run https://www.gresearch.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-dry-run/ [07:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gresearch.co.uk | In praise of --dry-run | G Research [07:12] techrights-bot NEWS #NewYorkTimes #Health Why Billionaires Like #BillGates Cant Fix the Problems They Helped Create https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/25/opinion/bill-melinda-gates-foundation.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [07:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Opinion | Why Did We Think Bill and Melinda Gates Could Fix the World? - The New York Times [07:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [07:13] techrights-bot NEWS #CyberScoop #ProprietarySoftware Ransomware forced #Bose systems offline, exposed personal data of 6 former employees https://www.cyberscoop.com/bose-ransomware-hack-letter/ [07:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ransomware forced Bose systems offline, exposed personal data of 6 former employees - CyberScoop [07:13] techrights-bot NEWS #TheVerge #Privacy #Surveillance #Apple employees are going public about workplace issues and theres no going back https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/25/22453302/apple-culture-secrecy-leak-antonio-garcia-martinez-letter [07:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Apple employees are going public about workplace issues and theres no going back - The Verge [07:14] techrights-bot NEWS #NYOB #Privacy #Surveillance Statement: 3rd Anniversary of the #GDPR https://noyb.eu/en/statement-3rd-anniversary-gdpr [07:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-noyb.eu | Statement: 3rd Anniversary of the GDPR [07:14] techrights-bot NEWS #EDRI #Privacy #Surveillance FLoC: Googles new means of following you across the web https://edri.org/our-work/floc-googles-new-means-of-following-you-across-the-web/ [07:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edri.org | FLoC: Google's new means of following you across the web - European Digital Rights (EDRi) [07:15] techrights-bot Going to publish shortly: The EPO's War on Justice and Assault on the Law -- Part 20: Summing up [07:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.28 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 44.26 swarm size (avg): 230.76 [07:44] techrights-bot NEWS #CNN #Privacy #Surveillance Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/25/uk/drug-dealer-cheese-sentenced-scli-gbr-intl/index.html [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | Drug dealer jailed after sharing a photo of cheese that included his fingerprints - CNN [07:44] techrights-bot NEWS #ForeignPolicy #Privacy #Surveillance Russias Surveillance State Struggles to Wean Itself Off the West https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/05/24/russia-surveillance-technology-western-companies-facial-recognition/ [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foreignpolicy.com | Russias Surveillance State Struggles to Wean Itself Off Western-Made Components [07:46] techrights-bot [Old] #LOC has a copy of #Groklaw - Digging for Truth https://www.loc.gov/item/lcwaN0004282/ [07:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.loc.gov | Groklaw - Digging for Truth | Library of Congress [07:46] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights ● May 26 [08:00] techrights-bot The EPOs War on #Justice and Assault on the #Law Part 20: Summing up http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/summing-up-g121/ #EPO #patents #corruption [08:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 20: Summing up | Techrights [08:03] *namarrgo1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [08:03] *namarrgo1 (~namarrgon@2a02:20c8:4124::a02d) has joined #techrights [08:09] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:11] techrights-bot [Old] #TheHayride At What Point Do We Realize #BillGates Is Dangerously Insane? https://thehayride.com/2021/02/at-what-point-do-we-realize-bill-gates-is-dangerously-insane/ [08:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehayride.com | At What Point Do We Realize Bill Gates Is Dangerously Insane? [08:15] techrights-bot The Golden Decision http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/the-golden-one/ #epo #corruption #sweden #patents #kangaroocourts [08:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Golden Decision | Techrights [08:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.95 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 57.98 swarm size (avg): 230.80 [08:21] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/irc-log-250521/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/26/irc-log-250521/ [08:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 | Techrights [08:23] techrights-bot "Not only has the opponent not (explicitly) consented to the use of VICO for oral proceedings before the EBA, but they have requested postponement of the proceedings scheduled for 28 May AND raised further objections to the composition of the EBA." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/epo-responds-to-accusations-of.html?showComment=1621961778265#c865505572110034784 [08:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | EPO responds to accusations of perceived bias in G1/21 (ViCo oral proceedings) - The IPKat [08:24] techrights-bot "It shouldn't have taken all that fuss for them to realise the non-impartiality situation." #epo #corruption #patents http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/epo-responds-to-accusations-of.html?showComment=1621965014438#c4980406205407819722 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/summing-up-g121/ [08:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | EPO responds to accusations of perceived bias in G1/21 (ViCo oral proceedings) - The IPKat [08:42] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights ● May 26 [09:01] *KindOne (kindone@h84.218.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #techrights [09:01] schestowitz gm, KindOne [09:04] techrights-bot NEWS #VOANews Airlines Avoid Belarusian Airspace over Plane Diversion, Arrest of Journalist https://www.voanews.com/europe/airlines-avoid-belarusian-airspace-over-plane-diversion-arrest-journalist be sure to mention the #hypocrisy , due to #snowden and #bolivia [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Airlines Avoid Belarusian Airspace over Plane Diversion, Arrest of Journalist | Voice of America - English [09:04] techrights-bot NEWS #NPR 3 Reasons Why The Arrest Of A Journalist By #Belarus Is Troubling https://text.npr.org/1000008124 but US + #EU did this to #snowden ... for exposing crimes. [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | 3 Reasons Why The Arrest Of A Journalist By Belarus Is Troubling [09:04] techrights-bot ">Air France, Finnair and Singapore Airlines became the latest carriers to suspend flights over #Belarus " https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210525-air-france-among-airlines-to-suspend-flights-over-belarus-after-plane-hijacking [09:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.france24.com | Air France among airlines suspending flights over Belarus as EU seeks to punish Minsk [09:05] techrights-bot NEWS #France24 #burma US journalist detained in #Myanmar while trying to board flight home https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210525-us-journalist-detained-in-myanmar-while-trying-to-board-flight-home [09:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.france24.com | US journalist detained in Myanmar while trying to board flight home [09:10] *justsaying has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [09:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.78 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 51.98 swarm size (avg): 230.84 [09:25] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [09:26] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [09:39] *GuySoft (~guysoft@2a0d:6fc1:2:1f00:3015:8635:e751:ad0c) has joined #techrights ● May 26 [10:00] techrights-bot A half-hour video about the #epo is being uploaded right now. ETA 2 hours (it's about 200MB). [10:00] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-225-66-103-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [10:01] techrights-bot I'd say that #techrights biggest contribution all in all is coordination and activism in the area of #patent #law rather than anything #freesw related, maybe because we're one of the few if not last remaining to properly do so [10:03] techrights-bot I was JUST about to record another long video about #freenode but then decided NOT to. Because 1) I don't want to 'bash' past volunteers ("staff") who kept the network going and 2) we need to move on. Any further bickering distracts us from real work and harms the #freesw cause. Move on, folks. Back to work! [10:03] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Employees Are Feeling Burned Over Broken Work-From-Home Promises As Employers Try To Bring Them Back To The Office https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210524/00353646857/employees-are-feeling-burned-over-broken-work-from-home-promises-as-employers-try-to-bring-them-back-to-office.shtml [10:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Employees Are Feeling Burned Over Broken Work-From-Home Promises As Employers Try To Bring Them Back To The Office | Techdirt [10:05] techrights-bot In the company where I've worked for over a decade everyone started working from home last year in March, but there was never "back to the Office"... in fact, the Office was shut down permanently in July. We saw no need for it anymore. Many companies are the same, giving false promises based on hopes. [10:06] techrights-bot #microsoft #windows TCO https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210525/12213846871/techdirt-podcast-episode-284-how-to-think-about-cybersecurity.shtml [10:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Techdirt Podcast Episode 284: How To Think About Cybersecurity | Techdirt [10:09] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:09] techrights-bot #epo scandal unfolding; two more days before the hearings start 'online'... it's illegal and we need to get people online 'involved', commenting and protesting this; EPO does NOT want people to watch this because the more people know, the more angry they become. See series: http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/summing-up-g121/ [10:10] techrights-bot #IBM is a dying company. Quit while (or if) you can. http://www.businessinsider.com/ibm-cutting-redundant-jobs-is-permanent-business-model-says-email-2016-7 #redhat [10:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | IBM: Cutting 'Redundant' Jobs Is 'Permanent' Business Model, Says Email [10:11] techrights-bot "Horrible Company #IBM ..I dedicated 20 years of service to them. I took callouts nonstop all hours also worked on shift whenever needed. After 20 years they moved me to another position then layed me off within 2 months" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/IeTFjZS [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Leaked IBM email says cutting 'redundant' jobs is a 'permanent and ongoing' part of its business model - post regarding IBM layoffs [10:12] techrights-bot "Garbage in...garbage out. IBM hires and fires. No lotalty to you as an employee. Youd be crazy to go there. You will not last a year." #ibm #layoffs rumoured to be announced tomorrow. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/IeTFjZS [10:13] techrights-bot #IBM "Analytics and Clown reported small pockets of growth in the 'strategic areas' but overall they were down as well... which explains a lot of the recent RA activity there. If the finance people don't see the money rolling in to pay for all the work being done - they cut expense ( people ) until they reach the revenue/expense:profit ratio they are trying to maintain." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/IeTFjZS [10:14] techrights-bot #IBM #layoffs accelerated since IBM sort of abandoned #freesw and #opendocument -type causes, choosing instead Ginny's hard-on for #apple ... "This is so true and so obvious - it's been like this since 2006 and after. It's all about cutting cost, and if you need to save a few thousands by letting go someone, you'll do it. The firm lost it's ability to plan for the future." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/IeTFjZS [10:16] techrights-bot "The startups culture was upbeat with friendly coworkers and there is more work life balance than at IBM." #ibm is nowadays attacking the founder of #gnu #linux while sucking up to and propping up #microsoft ... how can we condone this?! https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b1yFZJV [10:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How do you cope in the new companies? - post regarding IBM layoffs [10:18] techrights-bot According to this, we can expect #ibm layoffs articles by week's end. A wave, not a trickle. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b0Flcxl#replies [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How are we looking on layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffs [10:19] techrights-bot "Are they going to announce after the latest round of RAs are gone tomorrow?" #ibm is a state of turmoil, and I expect media (not those 'journalists' bribed by IBM for puff pieces and ads) to say something about it very soon. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b148I3m#replies [10:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | WATSON HEALTH - post regarding IBM layoffs [10:20] techrights-bot "Yes, don't be afraid to say no when you are legitimately too busy and remember to leave the feedback to #IBM when appropriate timing comes. And do it professionally and constructively. My old manager is now axed." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b0HGzQZ#replies [10:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How to prioritize work when everything is urgent? - post regarding IBM layoffs [10:22] techrights-bot While #thelayoff boards for #ibm are mostly rumours and unverified hearsay they often turn out to be true, and they're mostly composed by insiders and former insiders. In #techrights we don't cover gossip, but it helps to know in advance what announcements are in the pipeline. #redhat impacted. [10:23] techrights-bot The announcement from #canonical or #ubuntu saying leave #freenode is composed by someone who lobbied to CANCEL the #fsf or the founder of #gnu #linux ... and published in the official blog by a Microsoft booster (now inside Canonical). [10:24] techrights-bot #ibm is NOT your friend. #rms is, even if you don't know it (yet) http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/ibm-and-rms-incompatible/ [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and RMS Are Not Compatible | Techrights [10:26] *cow_2001 (~weechat@unaffiliated/wabisabi) has joined #techrights [10:26] cow_2001 uh [10:26] cow_2001 absolutely not. lee's a cunt. [10:26] *cow_2001 has quit (Client Quit) [10:27] schestowitz ? [10:27] schestowitz come in [10:27] schestowitz insukt [10:27] schestowitz leave [10:27] schestowitz how tame [10:31] *rylee (~rylee@gateway/tor-sasl/rylee) has joined #techrights [10:39] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Sale of Pirate Streaming Devices Declared Illegal By #Malaysia IP High Court https://torrentfreak.com/sale-of-pirate-streaming-devices-declared-illegal-by-malaysia-ip-high-court-210525/ [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Sale of Pirate Streaming Devices Declared Illegal By Malaysia IP High Court * TorrentFreak [10:39] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights Scammers Use European Union Website to Promote Pirate Streaming Portals https://torrentfreak.com/scammers-use-european-union-website-to-promote-pirate-streaming-210525/ [10:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scammers Use European Union Website to Promote Pirate Streaming Portals * TorrentFreak [10:42] *tr_guest|98087 (53af9457@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.175.148.87) has joined #techrights [10:42] *tr_guest|98087 has quit (Client Quit) [10:46] techrights-bot NEWS #RaspberryPi #RasPi #GNU #Linux Hide a huge arcade machine in plain sight with Raspberry Pi https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/hide-a-huge-arcade-machine-in-plain-sight-with-raspberry-pi/ [10:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.raspberrypi.org | Hide a huge arcade machine in plain sight with Raspberry Pi - Raspberry Pi [10:58] techrights-bot 10 Most Used #GNULinux Distributions of All Time http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151610 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 Most Used Linux Distributions of All Time | Tux Machines [10:58] techrights-bot #HowTo Use #Ubuntu System Monitor http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151609 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Use Ubuntu System Monitor | Tux Machines [10:58] techrights-bot #Foliate simple and modern #GTK eBook viewer http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151608 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Foliate simple and modern GTK eBook viewer | Tux Machines [10:58] techrights-bot #CANPico open-source board adds CAN Bus to #RaspberryPi Pico http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151607 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CANPico open-source board adds CAN Bus to Raspberry Pi Pico | Tux Machines ● May 26 [11:05] techrights-bot iophk: removal of #Microsoft products from the work place ought to be a G7 agenda item https://risky.biz/HF11/ [11:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-risky.biz | Risky Biz Feature Podcast: The politics of cybersecurity - Risky Business [11:06] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams #Monopolies DC Attorney General Sues #Amazon for Alleged Monopolistic #PriceFixing https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/25/dc-attorney-general-sues-amazon-alleged-monopolistic-price-fixing [11:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | DC Attorney General Sues Amazon for Alleged Monopolistic Price-Fixing | Common Dreams News [11:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.68 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 39.26 swarm size (avg): 230.87 [11:22] *jrmu (jrmu@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-goqhfytsriapsncc) has joined #techrights [11:27] techrights-bot "I did the same last month... #IBM is c r a p. I would encourage more IBMers to look elsewhere, The job market is great at this point, it is a good time to switch companies." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b2ign7H#replies [11:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | I'm about to hand in my resignation - post regarding IBM layoffs [11:28] techrights-bot "Now, I can already hear some IBMers commenting that they are overworked... that is BS!!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b1yFZJV#replies [11:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How do you cope in the new companies? - post regarding IBM layoffs [11:29] techrights-bot "it is all about claim codes at IBM... don't do any work unless you can charge it... it does not matter if it is an internal or external claim code. No claim code = no work." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b1e1jQd#replies [11:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Show everything you know? - post regarding IBM layoffs [11:29] techrights-bot " #IBM will end up only as a mainframe company... Once the Execs figure out that Red Hat is not working out, they will jettison it for some $$$. Then they will tell you they just re-invented the IBM company as THE mainframe company!!!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b1CiCSx#replies [11:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Systems is next NewCo - post regarding IBM layoffs [11:37] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-225-66-103-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [11:45] techrights-bot They Don't Want Us to Hear... http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/to-hear-in-haar/ #haar #munich #corruption #epo #patents [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | They Dont Want Us to Hear | Techrights [11:47] techrights-bot The #litigation treadmill, including lawyers who promote European #softwarepatents , may have fully taken control of the courts that decide on such matters through #Josefsson and his circle http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/summing-up-g121/ #Techrights | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/26/summing-up-g121/ [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOs War on Justice and Assault on the Law Part 20: Summing up | Techrights [11:48] techrights-bot Pure gold, a heavy metal, guides the gavel of the judge from #Sweden and his peanut gallery which undermines justice The Golden Decision http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/the-golden-one/ #Techrights #EPO #boa #haar | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/26/the-golden-one/ [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Golden Decision | Techrights [11:50] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151612 #Linux #TuxMachines [11:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [11:50] techrights-bot #HarmonyOS is now been confirmed to launch in early June http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151611 #TuxMachines [11:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HarmonyOS is now been confirmed to launch in early June | Tux Machines [11:54] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [11:55] techrights-bot The rushed hearings in Haar (actually, not even #Haar but peoples homes, facilitated by American companies that spy) will commence in a couple of days http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/to-hear-in-haar/ #epo #corruption #patents #surveillance [11:56] techrights-bot "This is the problem. It beggars belief that Mr Josefsson thought it might be appropriate for him to sit on the board in this case. The decision has already been made." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/epo-responds-to-accusations-of.html?showComment=1622022839702#c5495570852359357958 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/to-hear-in-haar/ [11:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | EPO responds to accusations of perceived bias in G1/21 (ViCo oral proceedings) - The IPKat [11:58] techrights-bot Pushing the racist lie that countries cannot produce their own #vaccines using the knowledge and #patent waivers. Probably posted by some #patents person, who profits from the monopolistic cartel. http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/05/vaccine-platforms-and-limited-global.html?showComment=1622025121450#c1016231846038170161 [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Vaccine platforms and limited global production capacity: what is to be done? - The IPKat ● May 26 [12:00] techrights-bot #ibm is dead man walking https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/26/ibm_cloud_multiple_outages/ [12:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | IBM Cloud resets Days Since Last Major Incident clock to zero after just five days The Register [12:01] techrights-bot #ibm : "I'm about to hand in my resignation" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b2ign7H comments to come. This is less than an hour old. [12:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | I'm about to hand in my resignation - post regarding IBM layoffs [12:02] techrights-bot Where this week's #ibm #layoffs are expected to hit: https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b0Flcxl#replies [12:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How are we looking on layoffs? - post regarding IBM layoffs [12:03] techrights-bot "Never handle more than a single task at the time. Man was never built to multi-task." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b0HGzQZ#replies [12:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | How to prioritize work when everything is urgent? - post regarding IBM layoffs [12:04] saint_dogbert hola [12:05] techrights-bot #ibm is 'headless chicken' corporation. Ask insiders. They know... [12:05] schestowitz saint_dogbert: ola [12:05] saint_dogbert How goes it, sir? [12:06] techrights-bot The latest edit/commit in the petition to destory the #fsf by ousting #rms and everyone who supports RMS was a month ago. #ibm employee. [12:06] schestowitz good, saint_dogbert [12:06] schestowitz we hope for more calm and focus [12:07] saint_dogbert Understood... no hot topics from me today then :D [12:09] techrights-bot There's no such thing as "patent rights" (they are not rights), it seems like a series of 'plugs' for advertisers (law firms), but at least Amy Sandys isn't just copy-pasting #TeamUPC lies for now, and not just copy-pasting the whole "news" section of #EPO management anymore. #Journalism is in a dreadful, appalling state. https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/legal-commentary/negotiating-borders-the-uk-patent-m [12:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Negotiating borders: the UK patent market on life after Lugano - JUVE Patent [12:11] techrights-bot Billionaire-owned media (Murdoch) as megaphone for the #patent #cartel instead of voice for the ill and powerless https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-makers-press-countries-to-oppose-patent-waiver-11622021402 see https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/bill-gates-investments-covid/ [12:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Covid-19 Vaccine Makers Press Countries to Oppose Patent Waiver - WSJ [12:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenation.com | While the Poor Get Sick, Bill Gates Just Gets Richer | The Nation [12:14] techrights-bot Filed under "article", but it's not an article but a stream of self-promotional, self-serving lies from "Chloe Flower on behalf of The Chartered Institute of Patent Attorneys." #CIPA promotes criminals like #Battistelli to advance an illegal treaty. #TheChemicalEngineer is clearly a #propaganda outlet, not for chemical engineers but for predators. https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/protecting-intellectual-pr [12:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/features/protecting-intellectual-pro ) [12:17] techrights-bot How many times last year did Charlotte Kilpatrick promote 'junk' #patents by means of advancing intentional lies from #TeamUPC h We've lost count... but xenophobic race-baiting suits them better. As if the lawless #EPO is any better than #China any longer. https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s01d1hb3d7lx/end-of-china-subsidy-will-mean-fewer-junk-patents [12:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | End of China subsidy will mean fewer junk patents | Managing Intellectual Property [12:18] techrights-bot How about this for junk #patents from #EPO h https://techrights.org/2018/08/27/adding-a-window-to-a-room/ [12:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Stupid European Patent: Hairdressing Salon and Mobile Building for the Same | Techrights [12:19] schestowitz [12:07] Understood... no hot topics from me today then :D [12:19] schestowitz I take that as a clue that you were going to comment on some Internet protocol ;-) [12:20] saint_dogbert eh, just discussing what may be in the near future for the USA with someone in here last night [12:20] saint_dogbert so figured its better to leave that topic at the door today :D [12:21] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [12:21] techrights-bot LOL. Now there are #patents on #POOP collection. Stay classy... https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-crappy-problem-tel-aviv-hasn-t-been-able-to-solve-for-80-years-1.9813913 [12:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-A new smear campaign could solve an 80-year-old Tel Aviv problem - Israel News - Haaretz.com [12:22] schestowitz saint_dogbert: ah, I see... [12:22] schestowitz well, I wait for the whole 'IRC war' to blow over [12:22] schestowitz and we can all get back to coding and stuff [12:23] saint_dogbert Hopefully its either on cease fire or at an end now [12:25] techrights-bot Malicious and dishonest #patent law firms can't help themselves; they keep borrowing meaningless buzzwords like "Hey Hi" to leverage shallow spin for illegal #swpats or #softwarepatents https://blog.dennemeyer.com/the-impact-of-digitalization-automation-and-ai-on-intellectual-property " the effects of automation and AI." Oh, hi! HEY HI! [12:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.dennemeyer.com | The impact of digitalization, automation and AI on Intellectual Property [12:25] schestowitz saint_dogbert: no posts I can see in RSS feeds so far today [12:25] schestowitz so it's cooling down [12:26] schestowitz FSF will discuss it later today [12:26] schestowitz PIA was the FSF's biggest sponsor last year https://www.fsf.org/patrons/fy2020 [12:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | FSF patrons during fiscal year 2020 Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [12:32] *DVulgaris (~quassel@2a00:7c40:c2d0:199:9ff4:1561:725e:617c) has joined #techrights [12:38] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:53] techrights-bot Media Colluding With #EPO Autocrats Who Break the Law, Aiming to Mislead the Public http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/epo-g1-21/ #corruption #munich #de #patents [12:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Media Colluding With EPO Autocrats Who Break the Law, Aiming to Mislead the Public | Techrights [12:54] techrights-bot EPO's words are revealing. They already know the outcome of the case, with the kangaroo court set up MONTHS in advance. See article and video in http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/to-hear-in-haar/ [12:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | They Dont Want Us to Hear | Techrights ● May 26 [13:03] techrights-bot Courts outsourced to the US in order for them to decide whether courts being outsourced to the US are a legally valid construct. Let that sink in http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/epo-g1-21/ #Techrights #EPO #patents #europe #corruption | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/26/epo-g1-21/ [13:04] techrights-bot Gabriel Cnepa seems to think that publishing 'new' article means changing the date of an article from 3 years ago, then RE-posting. Sign. #tecmint keeps doing this... https://www.tecmint.com/linux-distributions/ [13:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tecmint.com | 10 Most Used Linux Distributions of All Time [13:05] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-224-236-91-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [13:06] techrights-bot #canonical and Mark S (MS) in particular should be careful not to put #ubuntu in the hands of people whose unhidden objective is to demolish the #fsf and CANCEL the very FOUNDER of the #gnu #linux operating system. Because that's what's happening... [13:07] techrights-bot The faster method has something to do with a toilet bowl and a handle that flushes 10 litres of water https://www.maketecheasier.com/remotely-disable-apple-pay/ [13:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | How to Remotely Disable Apple Pay - Make Tech Easier [13:08] techrights-bot mintCast 361.5 - X2Joe - mintCast https://mintcast.org/2021/05/26/mintcast-361-5-x2joe/ #mintcast #gnu #linux [13:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mintcast.org | mintCast 361.5 X2Joe mintCast [13:09] techrights-bot #berrybrew version 1.34 released! http://blogs.perl.org/users/steve_bertrand/2021/05/berrybrew-version-134-released.html #perl #programming [13:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-berrybrew version 1.34 released! | Steve Bertrand [blogs.perl.org] [13:12] techrights-bot #SteamPal Valves New Take on Handheld PCs in 2021? https://boilingsteam.com/steampal-valves-new-handheld-pc/ hopefully will be #gnu #linux based just like #steamOS which is basically #debian with DRM added [13:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boilingsteam.com | SteamPal - Valve's New Take on Handheld PCs in 2021? - Boiling Steam [13:14] techrights-bot " #IBM Cloud has now had ten significant issues (since April 3)" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b21spuI [13:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Cloud resets Days Since Last Major Incident clock to zero after just five days - post regarding IBM layoffs [13:15] techrights-bot "WAIT don't do it yet - wait a few days to see if you get RA with package. Free money if you are already heading out the door." #ibm #layoffs with compensation, says this comment, may be days ago. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b2ign7H [13:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | I'm about to hand in my resignation - post regarding IBM layoffs [13:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 27.01 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 53.36 swarm size (avg): 230.91 [13:17] techrights-bot #fedora "clown". Now they call #gnu #linux distros after buzzwords and hype. Remember when Fedora (Moonshine IIRC, version 14) was a flying baloon? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Cloud-35-Btrfs-Default [13:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fedora Cloud 35 Looking To Use The Btrfs File-System By Default - Phoronix [13:17] techrights-bot #fedora "clown". Now they call #gnu #linux distros after buzzwords and hype. Remember when Fedora (Moonshine IIRC, version 14) was a flying balloon? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Cloud-35-Btrfs-Default [13:18] techrights-bot More "clown" this morning https://opensource.com/article/21/5/shellhub-new-features #redhat #ibm [13:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-6 exciting new ShellHub features to look for in 2021 | Opensource.com [13:19] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat writing about three-letter (read: grossly overpaid) job titles more than technical stuff. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/5/digital-transformation-11-skills-cios-need [13:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | Digital transformation: 11 skills CIOs need to get it done | The Enterprisers Project [13:21] techrights-bot #Btrfs vs #Ext4 - Functionalities, Strengths, and Weaknesses https://linoxide.com/btrfs-vs-ext4/ #linoxide #linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/26/#latest [13:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linoxide.com | Btrfs vs Ext4 - Functionalities, Strengths, and Weaknesses [13:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [13:22] techrights-bot "The #BLAKE3 high performance crypto hashing function that is much speedier than MD5, SHA-1/SHA-2/SHA-3, and the former #BLAKE2 , is nearing its v1.0 release for its official Rust and C implementations." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=BLAKE3-1.0-Coming [13:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BLAKE3 Cryptographic Hash Implementation Preparing For v1.0 Release - Phoronix [13:24] techrights-bot Instead of helping to cure #cancer the #EPO just keeps dishing out more #monopolies https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/05/26/2236375/0/en/Immutep-Granted-Chinese-Patent-For-Eftilagimod-Alpha-In-Chemo-Immunotherapy-Combination.html see http://techrights.org/2015/12/26/epo-and-cancer/ [13:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globenewswire.com | Immutep Granted Chinese Patent For Eftilagimod Alpha In [13:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Insensitivity at the EPOs Management Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | Techrights [13:26] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:26] techrights-bot How I monitor my greenhouse with #CircuitPython and open source tools | https://opensource.com/article/21/5/monitor-greenhouse-open-source #FreeSW #RedHat #IBM [13:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How I monitor my greenhouse with CircuitPython and open source tools | Opensource.com [13:27] techrights-bot #BigBlueButton with Two Ways Screen Sharing https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2021/05/bigbluebutton-with-two-ways-screen-sharing.html #UbuntuBuzz #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/26/#latest [13:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntubuzz.com | BigBlueButton with Two Ways Screen Sharing [13:28] techrights-bot Red Hat 1990s: engineering/engineers 2000s: users 2010: user experience (UX cargo cult, even if #systemd does nothing for users) 2021: CUSTOMER experience: https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2021/5/how-measure-customer-experience-3-tips [13:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-enterprisersproject.com | How to measure customer experience: 3 tips | The Enterprisers Project [13:29] techrights-bot Theory: #microsoft #qualcomm media spam earlier this week timed/designed to distract from something like this? https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/05/26/armv9-cores-cortex-a510-cortex-a710-cortex-x2/ [13:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | First Armv9 cores unveiled - Cortex-A510, Cortex-A710, Cortex-X2 - CNX Software [13:31] techrights-bot Gemini reverse proxy https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006579.html taking #geminiProtocol to the next level. #geminiSpace #internet [13:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [tech] Gemini reverse proxy [13:32] techrights-bot "An open letter in support of Richard Matthew Stallman being reinstated by the Free Software Foundation" now signed by 6,715 people. Still growing. #rms #fsf #FailedCoup #freesw #gnu [13:38] *jrmu (jrmu@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-goqhfytsriapsncc) has left #techrights [13:39] *viera has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:41] smnthermes https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html [13:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gentoo.org | Gentoo Freenode channels have been hijacked Gentoo Linux [13:42] schestowitz gm, smnthermes [13:42] schestowitz they already left freenode [13:42] schestowitz let's see what they moan about... I am guessing they close their channels there [13:42] schestowitz and then they're shocked someone else took over [13:42] schestowitz good luck with that [13:43] schestowitz days ago they warned about impersonators [13:43] schestowitz by leaving freenode they have made things worse [13:44] *koo6 (~koo6@89-24-13-235.customers.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [13:47] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:49] *viera (~viera@2602:fd37:1::84) has joined #techrights [13:49] *kermit has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [13:51] *kermit (sid393220@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit) has joined #techrights [13:55] techrights-bot LOL. People who already (and ALL ALONG) said bad things about #freenode are now trying to stir up drama and act all shocked and surprised by the negative feedback. They have their own interests to peddle... [13:56] techrights-bot #google : #FuchsiaOS is for spying devices. If you hear #Fuchsia think of it as dogwhistle for "WE SPY". [13:59] techrights-bot #gentoo adds to unnecessary drama. Well, they had already left #Freenode and then they're shocked someone else took over; days ago they warned about impersonators and by leaving Freenode they have made things worse ● May 26 [14:00] alextee[m] well my channel was hijacked as well, and many others like #gcc #riscv etc. [14:00] alextee[m] and the matrix bridges in 300+ channels including mine are now broken [14:00] techrights-bot "The web team at Canonical run two-week iterations building and maintaining all of #Canonical websites and product web interfaces." https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-26-may-2021 #ubuntu [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Design and Web team summary 26 May 2021 | Ubuntu [14:01] alextee[m] there was no reason to do that and whoever was neutral about freenode will doesn't have much choice left now [14:01] schestowitz wait, which network? [14:01] alextee[m] * there was no reason to do that and whoever was neutral about freenode doesn't have much choice left now [14:01] schestowitz libera or freenode? [14:01] alextee[m] the channels were hijacked on freenode [14:01] schestowitz by staff? [14:01] alextee[m] any channel that contained the string "libera" in the topic [14:01] schestowitz or did they leave first? [14:01] alextee[m] yes [14:01] schestowitz and then someone else stepped in? [14:01] alextee[m] 700 or so channels i hear [14:02] alextee[m] they didn't leave, they just said "we are moving to libera chat" in the topic, like mine [14:02] alextee[m] and many of them had a grace period [14:02] schestowitz so they left and directed people elsewhere? [14:02] alextee[m] some of them didn't leave [14:02] schestowitz oh, I see? [14:02] schestowitz so what you say is, mention libera and then you lose the channel? [14:02] alextee[m] some channels were planning to move later [14:02] alextee[m] and this move by freenode now just disrupted that [14:03] alextee[m] yes that's what happened [14:03] alextee[m] any channel that had "libera" in the t opic was hijacked and closed [14:03] schestowitz can you send me some evidence? [14:03] alextee[m] here's a screenshot from mine [14:03] schestowitz tasteless if true [14:03] *alextee[m] uploaded an image: (48KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ThwVDmGRQjYvdNyYxdHVeIoF/Screenshot%20from%202021-05-26%2005-02-43.png > [14:03] schestowitz alextee[m]: thanks, waiting [14:03] schestowitz ok [14:04] alextee[m] more evidence about the bridges: https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix/106301209504019485 [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.matrix.org | Matrix.org: "Freenode has put redirects in place on >325 chann" - Matrix.org's Mastodon [14:04] alextee[m] (which affected my channel as well) [14:04] schestowitz rasengan: any comment? [14:05] downey[m] https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c1646791c61953 [14:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | freenode-irc-drama-and-goodbye.md GitHub [14:06] schestowitz I heard it was done by "both sides", but either way freenode should not stoop down to this... [14:06] schestowitz downey[m]: this was mentioned here twice before [14:06] schestowitz anyway, all this tit-for-tat is hard to follow [14:06] schestowitz it's harming everything [14:07] schestowitz which is why I try not to write any articles about this anymore [14:08] downey[m] Rushing to judgement tends to end up that way ... [14:08] alextee[m] so what https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html is saying is correct, the channels did get hijacked in the way shown in my screenshot [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gentoo.org | Gentoo Freenode channels have been hijacked Gentoo Linux [14:08] techrights-bot "No surprise there... the IBM Cloud is inferior to all other clouds." Has #ibm not managed to retain #redhat talent? https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b21spuI#replies [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Cloud resets Days Since Last Major Incident clock to zero after just five days - post regarding IBM layoffs [14:08] alextee[m] there's more on mastodon if you search by the #freenode tag [14:08] alextee[m] https://mastodon.social/web/timelines/tag/freenode [14:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | #freenode - Mastodon [14:08] schestowitz I don't use social control media to get news [14:08] schestowitz it's noise, not news [14:09] schestowitz not that "news sites" are that much more reliable [14:09] alextee[m] there's a lot of screenshots there though [14:09] schestowitz gentoo declared leaving freenode about 2 DAYS ago [14:09] schestowitz which means the freenode channels were rendered placeholders [14:09] schestowitz or rather legacy [14:09] alextee[m] some communities wanted to give users time to migrate [14:10] schestowitz yeah, understandable [14:10] schestowitz maybe they should have thought about leaping [14:10] schestowitz and what it means to turn channels into mere pointers [14:10] schestowitz with everyone on nute [14:10] schestowitz *mute [14:10] schestowitz anyway, huge clusterfsck [14:10] alextee[m] well now the channels are mere pointers to their ## counterparts on freenode with mute [14:10] schestowitz we've averted this [14:10] alextee[m] so users stuck there won't be redirected to libera [14:11] downey[m] I always understood that once you took your garbage out to the street, your ownership over it was surrendered [14:11] alextee[m] as the community owners intended [14:11] baronhk[m] "In the US, the Second Amendment provides that American citizens and Lawful Permanent Residents have the right to bear arms, as do most state constitutions, including the one of the state of Illinois. [14:11] baronhk[m] None of them hint that it would be lawful to restrict this right in any manner, but the federal courts have upheld that the federal and state governments have the right to bar people who are convicted felons or are subject to a restraining order. [14:11] baronhk[m] Unfortunately, getting a restraining order is comically simple in the United States. In fact, a woman in Nevada was able to get one against David Letterman once because she believed that he was sending her coded messages through her television set. Under the federal Violence Against Women Act, David Letterman couldnt own a firearm until the restraining order ended. Whats wrong with this picture?" [14:11] schestowitz and moreover the only downside is that some people I could DM before are no longer on this network [14:11] schestowitz but few [14:11] schestowitz some are on both networks [14:11] baronhk[m] My lead in to the new blog post I'm writing about the dangers of "gun control". [14:11] alextee[m] the only freenode channel I'm in is this one and I'm only here through matrix [14:11] alextee[m] I don't plan to use freenode again [14:12] schestowitz that's ok [14:12] schestowitz anyway, we need stability [14:12] schestowitz all that fighting is harmful [14:12] alextee[m] would be interesting to see what fsf/gnu decide [14:12] schestowitz nobody will win [14:12] schestowitz alextee[m]: meeting later todaty [14:12] schestowitz crystalmath will be there [14:12] alextee[m] I thought it was tomorrow [14:12] schestowitz 27/5 [14:13] schestowitz even if you are in hawaii, its today [14:13] baronhk[m] Ooops, New Mexico, not Nevada. Remembered it wrong. [14:13] alextee[m] Thursday, May 27 from 13:00-14:30 EDT (17:00-18:30 UTC) [14:13] baronhk[m] Plus, CNN was the source and they deleted the article, but the Wayback Machine has it. [14:13] alextee[m] it's 26 today lol [14:13] schestowitz ah, my bad... [14:13] schestowitz maybe I saw it after midnight and misread [14:14] schestowitz https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/8514.html [14:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-diziet.dreamwidth.org | diziet | Disconnecting from Freenode [14:14] schestowitz but right from the get-go he spoke out against freenode [14:14] cybrNaut baronhk[m]> My lead in to the new blog post I'm writing about the dangers of "gun control". <= LOL. much easier to write about the dangers of gun uncontrol [14:14] schestowitz from day 0 [14:14] schestowitz also tried to cancel Torvalds and RMS [14:14] schestowitz Ian is too opinionated even by my opinionated standards [14:15] schestowitz cybrNaut: it's like "pro-life" [14:15] schestowitz they invert the argument [14:15] schestowitz from pro-choice, or pro-women [14:15] schestowitz (letting women decide about their bodies) [14:15] schestowitz what they mean by life is semen glued to an egg [14:17] cybrNaut yeah every side has to market itself. I find pro-forced-birth more accurate than "pro-life", considering the same ppl who call themselves "pro-life" tend to oppose public healthcare, gun control, welfare, asylum, ... things that actually promote life [14:18] cybrNaut probably most pro-lifers aren't wearing masks either.. that would be an interesting study [14:18] techrights-bot Locking #USPTO Patent Filings into #Microsoft with DOCX https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/05/26/0514222 see http://techrights.org/2021/05/25/microsoft-uspto/ [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Locking USPTO Patent Filings into Microsoft with DOCX - SoylentNews [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | USPTO Promotes Microsoft Monopoly and Proprietary Software | Techrights [14:19] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-224-236-91-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [14:20] baronhk[m] "Restraining orders are not hard to get. In fact, courts issue millions of them every year. The majority are against men, and usually as a matter of process ("justice as an assembly line") rather than a decision made by a judge that is grounded in the facts of the case. Divorce lawyers, perhaps the most unscrupulous type, hit men with them strategically while they help their cheating ex-wives (or husbands, it's the [14:20] baronhk[m] future!) strip them of their assets and run off with their children." [14:20] cybrNaut oh, and the same "pro-life" people tend to have little interest in environmental protection.. they are the opposite of pro-life in most respects [14:21] schestowitz agreed [14:22] schestowitz pro-gun [14:22] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut 70% of Americans Say Arms Sales Make Us Less Safe. We're the World's Top Dealer. https://truthout.org/articles/70-of-americans-say-arms-sales-make-us-less-safe-were-the-worlds-top-dealer/ [14:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | 70% of Americans Say Arms Sales Make Us Less Safe. We're the World's Top Dealer. [14:25] kakama pro life just means pro birth for some reason [14:25] kakama >you have to have the baby God wills it [14:25] kakama >how dare you ask for handouts you lazy [racebait here] [14:26] kakama say what you will about the Mormons but they are ideologically consistant and one of the only 'right wing' groups I find that is (in quotes because left/right dichotomy is not real lmao) [14:26] schestowitz I've long thought of 'pro-life' differently [14:26] kakama Mormons are against abortion but they do support the idea of safety nets and parental support and whatnot [14:26] schestowitz men who want to get a women 'stuck' with them [14:26] schestowitz by getting her drunk [14:26] schestowitz getting her pregnant [14:26] kakama though partly because half the mormons are on welfare since they have 8 kids each [14:26] schestowitz and then make it illegal for her to press "sbort" [14:27] schestowitz *abort [14:27] alextee[m] what is it called if you're pro-life with the exception of rape? (although I can see people claiming lots of non-rape things are rape) [14:27] kakama yeah schestowitz and traditional patriarchial 'she is mine now' views surely encourage that, though it's definitely a two way street since there are also women who play the baby trap card [14:28] kakama anyone can poke holes in a condom ayyy trick as old as time [14:28] techrights-bot "Since it's coming from Slimbook, you can expect full Linux support and you can buy it with #GNU #Linux pre-installed." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/slimbook-think-they-have-the-one-for-you-with-their-new-compact-mini-pc [14:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Slimbook think they have the 'One' for you with their new compact mini-PC | GamingOnLinux [14:28] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:28] kakama I need an irssi solution for url copying [14:29] kakama since I have nicklist on the right and channels on the left with tmux [14:29] techrights-bot "So no Early Access or Beta versions but we will be seeing the proper finished experience supported on Linux." #gnu #linux #gaming https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/starcrawlers-chimera-is-a-new-upcoming-first-person-cyberpunk-dungeon-crawler [14:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-StarCrawlers Chimera is a new upcoming first-person cyberpunk dungeon crawler | GamingOnLinux [14:29] kakama maybe something like hilightwin but a whole full-terminal-width pane below the chat window, or above, that just pops out a copy of any link posted in any channel [14:30] kakama so I can actually ctrl+click it or something [14:31] kakama political parties are a cult and not ever really ideologically consistant [14:32] techrights-bot This did NOT age well. https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=5d49b129-7461-455c-a633-d12366106cb0 #upc is dead, so the #law firms sold many people a lie, a fiction http://techrights.org/wiki/Unitary_Patent [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Using the UPC to your benefit in pharmaceuticals and life sciences - Lexology [14:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Unitary Patent - Techrights [14:32] kakama the powers that be could easily have engineered the narrative that 'left' is pro-gun (as guns balance the playing field for women, gays, disenfranchized, weak, etc, and do not rely on untrustworthy police) but instead it's 'right' [14:32] kakama used to be universal issue but associating it with one of the puppet show character teams allows gun rights to be attacked more easily [14:33] kakama I suppose the current meta is that one party is more 'personal responsibility reduced government regulation' and the other is 'social responsibility with government set up to protect' [14:34] schestowitz would the above chat get us banned from libera? (not joking) [14:34] schestowitz I saw them passing all sorts of trigger-tight policies [14:34] schestowitz and then boasting about "Safety" and such... or maybe I misunderstood what was said [14:34] kakama but you can't really say Red Team is against government interference in general, just bring up something like trannies getting hormones and watch them scream out for the government to protect us [14:35] kakama schestowitz: historically I've never just let my mouth run on freenode because the ircops were absolute dickbags and disagreeing with them can easily become 'u were doing the h8 speech' [14:36] kakama freechode has always been the reddit of irc, or the PC-irc, in my mind at least [14:36] kingoffrance kakama, some places guns are "left" -- because they dont like cops. so make everyone armed, everyone is equal [14:36] kingoffrance agree left and right is just noise [14:36] kakama I was kind of hopeful that when the Crown Prince took over since the lame ircops ran off to Liberia freenode would be cool [14:37] kakama I fully expect to get b& from Liberia at some point if I talk openly so I only use it to talk to my dc group [14:37] kingoffrance or, its just ever-shifting goalposts "not ideologically consistent" yep [14:38] kakama and even that, I know a member of our hackerspace who got a 'u were being naughty on irc plz don't come back' letter so I always expect a dramabomb to go off at any moment [14:38] kakama yea kingoffrance it's a soap opera to entertain the masses with the illusion of choice [14:38] kakama I do know a lot of modern lefties that are getting to be pretty pro-gun [14:39] kakama I open carry for political reasons because I don't look like stereotype gun owner and it gets conversations going [14:39] kakama I am someone that looks very american-left-wing so people feel comfortable talking to me, and I have found lately that many left-leaning types are getting into guns, record firearm sales lastyear for new gun owners etc [14:40] kakama so I already haev prepared schpeels about the origins of gun control in Prohibition and how current drug prohibition is an extension of that in terms of gun crime creator, and the racist origins of other gun control legislation [14:41] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151613 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:41] kakama if we can collectively undo the psyops gimmick to turn guns into one of the political talking points we can protect our rights since it won't be kicked around like a football every election [14:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [14:41] techrights-bot #Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading #Ubuntu ISO via Torrent http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151614 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent | Tux Machines [14:41] kakama I'm not left or right I'm cross eye dominant and shoot pistols ambi [14:42] kakama while I don't believe in the council of 300 type conspiracy I know someone who strongly did, and I found the general concept of puppetering to sound accurate [14:43] techrights-bot "A new report on the rumored Valve #SteamPal suggests that the portable gaming PC will be larger than the Nintendo Switch and run on Linux." https://www.vg247.com/2021/05/26/steampal-prototype-linux-switch-report/ [14:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SteamPal prototype is larger than Nintendo Switch, will run Linux - report - VG247 [14:43] kakama that being, say the Powers That Be want to pass 10 different laws. Left wing is pro 5 of them and against 5 of them, same for Right wing, the issues being almost arbitrarily divided between each team based more on what markets good than any ideological cohesion [14:44] kakama so now every 4 years we have big battle and 2 years a miniboss fight where people believe they are struggling against Other Side to protect the good path forward, and one team gets majority and starts to pass their laws and repeal others [14:44] kakama regardless of which team is in control at the time, the laws being passed may all be consistant with the agenda of the powers-that-be, but it APPEARS as though My Team is winning the struggle against Their Team [14:45] baronhk[m] "In fact, they say they want to remove stigma of mental illness, or at least Democrats do, but then they further stigmatize it, when research shows that almost no mass shooters are actually mentally ill in the sense of anything covered by the DSM. In fact, it's often just some toxic man who can't get anyone to have sex with him. Which is not in the DSM. Should the DSM be updated? I think it should be, but that doesn't [14:45] baronhk[m] change the facts." [14:45] kakama illusion of choice via a puppet show, a donkey and elephant fighting and the country clapping like happy children that don't realize the left and right hands are attached to the same person sitting behind a wall [14:45] kakama >no mass shooters are covered by DSM [14:45] kakama idk if that is true at all [14:46] kakama there's some really dumb memes around mass shooters, like that they're all terrorists working for I.N.C.E.L. or loner-white-guys [14:46] kakama scroll down the list of them and it's so many people for so many reasons, of every race colour creed [14:47] kakama you got radical christians and radical muslims, disgruntled former employees, lover's quarrels gone amock [14:47] kakama why in 2019 I think it was you had a black male-female couple shoot up a Jewish district [14:47] kakama how you gonna categorize that one? [14:47] techrights-bot BUSINESS: Biden backs waiving vaccine patents. Is climate tech next? -- Wednesday, May 26, 2021 -- www.eenews.net https://www.eenews.net/stories/1063733517 #eenews might point out #epo lies about so-called #greentech by saying #patent #monopolies help [14:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-BUSINESS: Biden backs waiving vaccine patents. Is climate tech next? -- Wednesday, May 26, 2021 -- www.eenews.net [14:48] *Snuupy (~Snuupy@unaffiliated/snuupy) has left #techrights ("moving to libera") [14:48] kakama the common theme is only that they have been infected with a deadly uncontained meme [14:48] kakama per earlier rants on advancements in communication creating more rapid hard to control memetic spread, and the algos don't really stop it so much as make the evolution happen faster and in weird vaccums [14:48] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151615 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [14:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [14:49] baronhk[m] "And, on the subject of suicides, the gun laws have no effect overall. People in countries with the strictest gun laws who want to do it will jump in front of a train. Perhaps the Democrats in Illinois should outlaw Metra instead of just leaning on the news to quit reporting people leaping onto the tracks. After all, the problem has been on the rise in Illinois for years, and even Metra's own CEO jumped in front of on [14:49] baronhk[m] to beat an arrest for embezzling from the agency. Just outlaw trains, or maybe force everyone to get clearance to be within 1,000 feet of one from the state police, by making them ask for a "Train Pass Owner ID Card" that can be at the whim of the state. I'm sure the problem will go away immediately, because Democrats." [14:50] kakama leads to this meme of 'shoot a bunch of people' combined with other random radicalism memes and emotional/mental instability to create unsprung this idea that going on a rampage is the path set before someone [14:50] kakama no one has to espouse a particular call to action, the memes move fast enough and combine automatically at rates unprecedented in human history both in speed and volume, it is inevitable that some of them turn into weird and dangerous things [14:50] techrights-bot #IBM / #RedHat / #Fedora Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151616 #GNU #Linux [14:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines [14:51] kakama some dangerous memes are self-contained and cannot spread as much, ie there aren't a bunch of cults that say 'yeah we too should mass suicide via juicy juice' [14:52] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [14:52] kakama but the 'shoot a bunch of people and get your manifesto read' meme is virulant and persistant, most people are carriers at this point and it only expreses in an individual with the right (wrong?) combination of thoughts and circumstances [14:52] kakama fuckin wild man [14:53] baronhk[m] "The fact is, if people want to do something, they'll find a way to get it done." [14:53] baronhk[m] "When criminal thugs in Chicago want guns, they don't walk into a gun shop and tell the law abiding gun shop owner "Here's my FOID card, all hail Jabba the Pritzker!", they just buy a trunk load from out of state, illegally. Or they rob a train car full of M16 assault rifles (fully automatic, at that, which are also banned by law for civilian possession, as is train robbery). Criminals breaking the law? Nooooooo! [14:53] baronhk[m] That's absurd." [14:54] kakama thug has become a loaded racebaiting word [14:54] kakama wait did some group actually rob a train full of M16s or is that hyperbole [14:55] baronhk[m] "Since the passage of the FOID Act, over 250,000 Illinoisans have been shot and over 70,000 have been killed." [14:55] baronhk[m] "Which are statistics that make the state sound more like the Vietnam War than a Democrat success, right?" [14:55] baronhk[m] Yes, several times. [14:55] baronhk[m] Chicago is a major rail hub and some of the stuff going through is military equipment. Where do you think they're getting this shit from? [14:56] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [14:56] schestowitz baronhk[m]: tbh, this has nothing to do with tech [14:56] baronhk[m] It's not just assault rifles. Criminal gangs have even managed to steal grenade launchers, flak jackets, and other stuff. [14:56] schestowitz not even remotely [14:56] schestowitz let me know when you blog about tech [14:56] baronhk[m] Oh it is. [14:56] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:56] schestowitz no, it's not [14:57] baronhk[m] FOID requires biometrics and it's spying. [14:57] schestowitz gun "rights" isn't tech [14:57] schestowitz but you don't talk about this aspect at all [14:57] baronhk[m] You go into a "database" like some sort of criminal, while they have no idea what the criminals, individually, are up to. [14:57] schestowitz we need to keep on topic [14:57] schestowitz otherwise the channel becomes noise ● May 26 [15:02] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Another Journalist Informed #Trump DOJ Otained Their Phone And Email Records https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210521/19090446844/another-journalist-informed-trump-doj-otained-their-phone-email-records.shtml [15:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Another Journalist Informed Trump DOJ Otained Their Phone And Email Records | Techdirt [15:12] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:15] baronhk[m] "How are the Democrats trying to make it worse? [15:15] baronhk[m] Aside from doubling the fee to use a constitutional right, which is at the whim of the State Police already, several Democrats in the legislature are trying to add steps to the process, including having the State Police force you to turn over your Social Media handles so that they can read them, and decide if they like what theyre reading or not before they make a decision on your FOID card application. [15:15] baronhk[m] When constitutional rights depend on what you say on Facebook.. These are truly scary times. Philip K. Dick could have written a new book and it wouldnt have been any more out there than what the Democrats have been up to in Illinois. Supporting Burn, Loot, and Murder, paroling child molesters and serial killers, and trying to pass a trailer bill like this to the FOID Act." [15:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 36.63 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 39.55 swarm size (avg): 230.96 [15:20] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [15:22] MinceR guns are tech [15:23] *Aspie96 (02226e09@net-2-34-110-9.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #techrights [15:36] *inky has quit (Quit: Leaving.) [15:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: "we did not pick a horse" I was talking about CrystalMath who pretty much displayed unconditional love. [15:50] XRevan86 schestowitz: "also, tweets are not sources, they're random thoughts" can be insightful from time to time. [15:54] baronhk[m] https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/05/26/illinois-foid-act-an-unconstitutional-law-that-invades-privacy-of-gun-owners-and-doesnt-lower-crime-its-a-biometrics-program-that-spies-on-lawful-citizens/ [15:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Illinois FOID Act: An unconstitutional law that invades privacy of gun owners and doesnt lower crime. Its a biometrics program that spies on lawful citizens. BaronHK's Rants [15:54] XRevan86 schestowitz: "I heard it was done by "both sides"" not correct. [15:56] XRevan86 schestowitz: Stability is good, but ye have to keep in mind that backing up such displays of mismanagement is iffy. [15:57] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● May 26 [16:04] baronhk[m] "BLM is really just a bunch of "Jimmy in-n-outs" as Saul Goodman (the lawyer from Breaking Bad) put it. They're really angry and bitter that they have to do stints in prison between felonies and that every time the state lets them out to commit more crime, they go right back to the slammer. It's a political movement in the sense that they want to confiscate your belongings using the state this time, as the state is [16:04] baronhk[m] sovereign and thus can't do anything illegal. Maybe they are smarter than anyone thinks." [16:06] baronhk[m] I believe that making the state so horrible that "Decent people should live somewhere else. They'll like it better." (As Jack Nicholson's Joker put it.) is their end goal so that they have permanent run of the place. [16:08] baronhk[m] MinceR: That is the ultimate question, and why I saved it for last. [16:09] baronhk[m] Why are legal gun sales surging in Illinois? Presumably the people who are buying them are the ones that voted to make the place horrendous in the first place. [16:09] MinceR The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything? [16:09] baronhk[m] Now they want a gun so that they can potentially stand trial for shooting a home invader. [16:10] MinceR "Hey, love crusader / I want to be your space invader" [16:10] baronhk[m] I really wish that things would go better in the black community. [16:10] baronhk[m] People don't speak out against it, so the folks who go to work and pay their taxes and follow the laws let these people be their voice. [16:11] baronhk[m] BLM should not be their voice. [16:11] baronhk[m] They should take that back and speak for themselves. [16:12] baronhk[m] We're caught up in the middle of a huge national gaslighting where large corporations are promoting BLM propaganda to make it seem legitimate. [16:12] baronhk[m] And that's part of the "algorithms to make you think you're fucking crazy" that Facebook has deployed. [16:15] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-224-236-91-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [16:20] *inky (~inky@141.136.77.22) has joined #techrights [16:22] schestowitz [15:50] schestowitz: "also, tweets are not sources, they're random thoughts" can be insightful from time to time. [16:22] schestowitz sometimes. [16:22] schestowitz let me put it differently [16:23] schestowitz there's a profound difference between report based on hours of talking to people from both side and looking things up, as you did over the past week, and just someone venting in Twitter for likes, maybe with some bias inherent and no supporting links, context etc. [16:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: Indeed, however, Ariadne's opinion on the situation and what she shares is something I am going to listen to. [16:24] techrights-bot NEWS #PIA #privacy How data minimization can protect privacy and reduce the harms of collecting personal information https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/how-data-minimization-can-protect-privacy-and-reduce-the-harms-of-collecting-personal-information/ [16:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.privateinternetaccess.com | How data minimization can protect privacy and reduce the harms of collecting personal information [16:25] schestowitz I did not write about this in a rush, mind you! [16:25] schestowitz I spoke to people about this... since APRIL! [16:25] schestowitz I came out publicly about this around May 7th [16:26] XRevan86 schestowitz: And freenode ops just took over lots of channels for wrongthink. [16:26] XRevan86 Suddenly today I find MariaDB to be on Libera. [16:26] baronhk[m] The DSM changes every decade or so.... I suppose that the only requirement for mental illness to be redefined in or out of existence is whether society's attitude towards something changes, and to what extent. [16:26] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt #Police In #India Raid #Twitter Offices After #Twitter Labeled A Tweet By A Government Official As 'Manipulated Media' https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210525/09252046869/police-india-raid-twitter-offices-after-twitter-labeled-tweet-government-official-as-manipulated-media.shtml [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police In India Raid Twitter Offices After Twitter Labeled A Tweet By A Government Official As 'Manipulated Media' | Techdirt [16:27] XRevan86 Now how did this happen [16:27] baronhk[m] Interestingly, psychiatrists still have the authority to declare a transgendered person mentally ill in the latest revision. [16:28] schestowitz XRevan86: tbh, I'd rather move on [16:28] schestowitz no good will come out of it [16:28] schestowitz Libera does not make me feel safer [16:28] baronhk[m] They never really do let anything go, however. They just push things off to the side as gender or sexual orientation causing a person grief. That way it's easy to say the person is ill because it's causing them to have a negative self-image or distress. [16:28] schestowitz given some of their stances (the staff) on particular issues [16:28] schestowitz and stories that I heard last month about a clique in that staff [16:28] schestowitz let's get back on topic [16:28] schestowitz baronhk[m]: stf? [16:28] schestowitz *wtf? [16:29] schestowitz why are you bringing up sex all the time? [16:29] schestowitz we have a major patent case... come Friday [16:29] baronhk[m] It comes up in pretty much every CoC. [16:29] schestowitz and the channel logs are littered with gun and sex [16:29] XRevan86 schestowitz: It's fine if the reason to be on freenode is that Andrew is sympathetic to techrights.org [16:29] schestowitz XRevan86: I spoke to him for many hours [16:30] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [16:30] stormchaser3000 this is horrifying: https://news.itsfoss.com/ubuntu-download-dmca-notice/ [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent - It's FOSS News [16:30] schestowitz and I found some of the framings online to be false and rather malicious [16:30] baronhk[m] Libera Chat is threatening to get rid of anyone who offends based on sexual orientation or gender identity. I wonder if that includes all of the psychiatrists in America. [16:30] schestowitz facts seem to no longer matter [16:30] schestowitz stormchaser3000: yes, seen that [16:30] XRevan86 schestowitz: Because of the split the network will get closer to being an echo chamber, that's one factor. [16:30] baronhk[m] That doesn't surprise me. It's no longer safe to do anything without a VPN or at least in Tor Browser. [16:30] schestowitz [14:41] #Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading #Ubuntu ISO via Torrent http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151614 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent | Tux Machines [16:30] schestowitz might not be the first time [16:31] schestowitz XRevan86: I'd rather be on a side of it that won't kick us out [16:31] schestowitz and not having to relocate at all is a plus [16:31] schestowitz we have been on here since 2008 [16:31] schestowitz MinceR, IIRC, joined the same year or a year after [16:32] baronhk[m] Psychologists manipulate for all sorts of reasons. [16:32] baronhk[m] They even push in favor of draconian copyright. [16:32] schestowitz I don't find comforting the "Free speech BUT" crowd [16:33] baronhk[m] Psychology today pushed an article out that said that anyone who uses bittorrent is a sociopath or something like that. [16:33] schestowitz unless the BUT is, [some other law] [16:33] schestowitz like antiterror law [16:33] schestowitz or crime, death threats etc. [16:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/05/09/rms-replatformed/ [16:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Some Background on the Free Speech Society at the University of Buckingham, Where Richard Stallman is Being Replatformed | Techrights [16:33] schestowitz "GNU/Linux founder Richard Stallman (RMS) will be back to public speaking. Yes, public (he spoke more privately, but thats not the same thing). Co-founder of the society that invited RMS to give a speech tomorrow had spoken last year to some show, as presented above. James Oliver speaks about the whole Im in favour of free speech, but phenomenon and portrayal of free speech as a political wing thing (tribalism, [16:33] schestowitz divisive politicking). He says its concerning the people are branding this right wing although historically a lot of anti-Establishment politics (suppressed by power) came from the so-called left (wings are a binary over-simplification). Many left-leaning people are still being banned and deplatformed (or cancelled); Mr. Oliver gives some recent examples." [16:34] XRevan86 schestowitz: Regarding moving on, tomorrow GNU will be deciding. [16:34] schestowitz I know [16:34] schestowitz let's wait and see [16:34] schestowitz remember Debian GR [16:34] schestowitz at the end no statement on RMS and FSF [16:34] schestowitz which was good [16:34] schestowitz was the end of it all, April 17th IIRC [16:34] schestowitz calm afterwards [16:35] schestowitz then some debian in elements engages in a witchhunt in Freenode [16:35] schestowitz those people are now in libera [16:35] schestowitz good [16:35] schestowitz as STAFF [16:35] schestowitz let them stay there [16:35] *Chaekyung has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [16:36] schestowitz FSF might want to check who runs libera [16:36] schestowitz as some of the staff there signed the anti-FSF letter [16:36] schestowitz disguised as anti-RMS (concern-trolling) [16:37] techrights-bot NEWS #Techdirt Former #Trump Spokesman Ordered To Pay $42,000 To #Gizmodo After Losing His Bogus #Defamation Lawsuit https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210523/18063246856/former-trump-spokesman-ordered-to-pay-42000-to-gizmodo-after-losing-his-bogus-defamation-lawsuit.shtml [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Former Trump Spokesman Ordered To Pay $42,000 To Gizmodo After Losing His Bogus Defamation Lawsuit | Techdirt [16:39] baronhk[m] It's pretty brazen for psychologists to say that sharing is antisocial. [16:39] baronhk[m] "Hey, I just found this great song! Here, listen to it with me!" ANTISOCIAL! [16:39] schestowitz psychologists or a site that claims to speak for psychologists? [16:39] MinceR supply-side psychology? [16:40] baronhk[m] "Hey, here's a book. It had an impact on my way of thinking! Want to read a few passages?" ANTISOCIAL! [16:40] techrights-bot #billgates is done https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/18/bill-gates-crumbles-on-his-own-smug-immorality/ [16:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtontimes.com | Bill Gates crumbles on his own smug immorality - Washington Times [16:41] baronhk[m] Being social means sharing the paywall. [16:41] techrights-bot #epstein #billgates #sextrafficking #divorce https://news.yahoo.com/bill-gates-thought-jeffrey-epstein-090005004.html [16:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Bill Gates Thought Jeffrey Epstein Was His Ticket to a Nobel Prize, Ex-Staffer Says [16:41] baronhk[m] People can grow in all of the ways they can pay for. [16:42] baronhk[m] Do they give them out for child rape yet or will they just do the Peace Prize there too? [16:42] techrights-bot #billgates bribed #theguardian multiple times over the years. How long can that silence them for? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/23/bill-gates-melinda-divorce-gates-foundation [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | When rich people divorce: what does the future hold for Bill and Melinda Gates? | Bill Gates | The Guardian [16:42] techrights-bot Even #microsoft has distanced itself from the pervert #billgates https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/tech/satya-nadella-bill-gates-microsoft-culture/index.html [16:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft CEO responds to news of Bill Gates' affair with employee - CNN [16:43] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [16:43] techrights-bot I want to ask again, where in #github is the #cancelGates letter and why don't so-called 'activists' for good go after the biggest of criminals and instead target poor folks like RMS? https://news.yahoo.com/bill-gates-hoped-friendship-sex-101918512.html [16:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.yahoo.com | Bill Gates hoped his friendship with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein would help him win the Nobel Peace Prize, report says [16:43] saint_dogbert schestowitz: You do know that SCO is back from the dead, right? [16:44] techrights-bot What allegations? He's connected to Epstein and lied about it repeatedly. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/05/18/business/bill-gates-leadership-roles-stay-intact-despite-allegations/ they keep trying to distract from what ACTUALLY happened. Captured media... [16:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bostonglobe.com | Bill Gates leadership roles stay intact despite allegations - The Boston Globe [16:45] techrights-bot old: #dwheeler on #swpats https://dwheeler.com/essays/software-patents.html now that he works for #linuxfoundation he's in a front group of #softwarepatents proponents like #ibm and #microsoft [16:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dwheeler.com | Eliminate Software Patents [16:45] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:46] schestowitz saint_dogbert: yes [16:46] schestowitz sort of [16:47] saint_dogbert https://itwire.com/open-source/echoes-of-sco-case-xinuos-sues-ibm,-red-hat-in-virgin-islands.html [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Echoes of SCO case: Xinuos sues IBM, Red Hat in Virgin Islands [16:48] techrights-bot #ibm #layoffs "I retired and I am soooo HAPPY. I no longer have to put up with the abuse and managers who do not even know what you do!!!...but happy to collect the bonuses I use to drive for them. FU-K little babyyyyy blue!" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b2ign7H#replies [16:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | I'm about to hand in my resignation - post regarding IBM layoffs [16:49] techrights-bot #trump #goldenDawnald #notOverYet https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/doj-partially-discloses-memo-barr-used-clear-trump-obstruction-russia-n1268445 [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | DOJ partially discloses memo on why Trump wasn't charged with obstruction [16:50] baronhk[m] Frank Underwood, in House of Cards, said "All people become a problem, eventually.". [16:51] saint_dogbert https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2021/05/25/facebook-is-circumventing-your-privacy-settings-but-you-can-stop-them-n1449481 [16:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pjmedia.com | Facebook Is Circumventing Your Privacy Settings, But You Can Stop Them PJ Media [16:51] baronhk[m] I'm seeing that with my spouse now, as he associates with people at work, including that idiot that tried to get him to break the law for her. [16:52] baronhk[m] Now he's going to some "party" after work and either I get to go to try to stop him from doing anything stupid there and get to be a wallflower around a bunch of people I don't even know, or I could stay here and let whatever happens happen. [16:52] saint_dogbert baronhk[m]: sounds like an interesting story [16:52] baronhk[m] I'm more like my cats, I suppose. [16:53] baronhk[m] You rearrange the furniture and they walk around for a couple of hours letting you know they aren't happy about it. [16:53] saint_dogbert baronhk[m]: The latter option.. thats what I would do, personally. Otherwise, people don't learn [16:53] baronhk[m] Unfortunately, if that woman does convince him to do anything dumb and he gets himself arrested, that's a big problem for immigration. [16:54] baronhk[m] They might just get rid of him. I mean, my ability to keep him here depends largely on convincing the government that he's not a problem. [16:55] baronhk[m] I already warned him about that and said that if he does get arrested doing something stupid I'm filing for divorce and I'm not going to help him. [16:55] techrights-bot "So Belarus is now hijacking planes to arrest journalists and the Single Markets response is sanctions. #Lukashenko and #Putin must be laughing out of their Mig-29s. " https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106289081154239695 [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "So Belarus is now hijacking planes to arrest jour" - Arals Mastodon [16:55] techrights-bot #Lukashenko https://www.voanews.com/europe/airlines-avoid-belarusian-airspace-over-plane-diversion-arrest-journalist [16:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voanews.com | Lukashenko Defends Diverting Flight in Belarus to Arrest Activist | Voice of America - English [16:55] baronhk[m] I hope it never ends up there. I have no idea why people are so crazy that if nothing's going wrong, they have to fuck with things until things are going wrong. [16:56] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:56] techrights-bot Media in #israel weaponises elephants for empathy https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/BkbDNgOF00#autoplay who's the one doing the vast majority of the bombing? [16:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ynetnews.com | As Gaza conflict raged, Israeli elephants shield calf from rockets [16:57] baronhk[m] Going back to psychiatry, the only thing they do have figured out, it seems, is how to make a career that pays money as if they were fixing something when the world continues to decay, morally, and in all other ways possible. [16:58] techrights-bot #gopkkk egging on dangerous people under the guise of 1A, then cries foul when #insurrection attempts fail https://www.law360.com/articles/1387990 [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fla. To Revoke Tax Breaks For Platforms That Ban Politicians - Law360 [16:58] techrights-bot Right, well, in the last two days, Ive managed to knock down our DigitalOcean hosting fees from ~$90/mo to $5/mo by moving our GitLab to Eclips.is https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/106297020845039119 [16:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.ar.al | Aral Balkan: "Right, well, in the last two days, Ive managed t" - Arals Mastodon ● May 26 [17:01] schestowitz baronhk[m]: a lot of that dicpline, psychiatry, is BS [17:01] schestowitz not all [17:01] schestowitz that discipline is often practiced by people who try to learn about themselves [17:01] schestowitz and then they offer to teach others [17:01] schestowitz but unstable people teaching other mentally unstable people what to do has pros and cons [17:02] schestowitz on the one hand, they have experience [17:02] schestowitz on the other hand, the pros aren't a meritocracy [17:02] schestowitz but many people with messed up lives and heads [17:02] schestowitz so it's a touch and go thing... [17:03] techrights-bot Daniel Stenberg: #curl 7.77.0 200 OK https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2021/05/26/curl-7-77-0-200-ok/ #www #deletegithub [17:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-curl 7.77.0 200 OK | daniel.haxx.se [17:03] techrights-bot #apple #ProprietarySoftware junk https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Apple-M1-M1RACLES [17:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-M1RACLES: Apple M1 Exposed To Covert Channel Vulnerability - Phoronix [17:04] techrights-bot #idg is either trying to make us all laugh or writes clickbait for the #religion known as #apple (with mindless fans, who are often not technical and might take this as "gospel") https://www.computerworld.com/article/3619515/apples-mac-security-warning-shows-that-closed-beats-open.html [17:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple's Mac security warning shows that closed beats open | Computerworld [17:06] techrights-bot #Comcast Subscriber Receives DMCA Notice for Downloading #Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151614#comment-29753 #gnu #linux [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent | Tux Machines [17:07] saint_dogbert I had a DMCA notice years ago for downloading PCBSD when they existed [17:08] techrights-bot #apple ... sooooo safe https://www.tomshardware.com/news/m1racles-covert-channel-vulnerability-apple-m1-chip [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomshardware.com | Asahi Linux Dev Reveals M1RACLES Flaw in Apple M1, Pokes Fun at Similar Flaws | Tom's Hardware [17:10] schestowitz saint_dogbert: from the ISP? [17:10] schestowitz saint_dogbert: I think they just renamed? [17:10] schestowitz I cannot recall rn [17:10] schestowitz truOS? [17:10] schestowitz is that the one? [17:11] saint_dogbert That'd be the current project [17:11] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueOS [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | TrueOS - Wikipedia [17:11] schestowitz "Working stateDiscontinued" [17:11] schestowitz oh [17:11] saint_dogbert I forwarded the complaint and the email saying that some company was laying claim to BSD to the BSD devs [17:11] schestowitz "Development of TrueOS ended in 2020.[2]" [17:11] schestowitz https://www.truenas.com/TrueOS-Discontinuation/ [17:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-TrueOS Discontinuation - TrueNAS Open Storage | ZFS for the Home to the Data Center [17:12] saint_dogbert Yeah, they decided that users didn't matter [17:12] saint_dogbert much like KDE used to claim; 'We don't need users' [17:12] saint_dogbert then went to NAS only [17:12] schestowitz hopefully migration outwards isn't too tricky [17:12] schestowitz some BSDs move to gnu/linux as base [17:12] schestowitz the more basic distros [17:12] schestowitz the lighter ones as base [17:12] schestowitz like void [17:13] schestowitz KDE has many users [17:13] schestowitz they'll be OK [17:13] schestowitz Qt6 being a peril [17:13] schestowitz but then again, this whole Qt treadmill is pessy [17:13] schestowitz forces devs to constantly update their stuff [17:13] schestowitz for new toolchains [17:13] schestowitz and that in turn requires new glibc and stuff [17:13] MinceR KDE's capitulation to Gnome OS (systemd) is also a peril to KDE [17:13] saint_dogbert Yeah, they survived. Just kinda shocking back then that a KDE dev would tell that to people [17:13] schestowitz and for what gain? very little, mostly disruption [17:14] schestowitz MinceR: not to late to bail out on it [17:14] schestowitz chromeOS rejects systemDehomag [17:14] schestowitz so you know even large companies such as GOogle don't want to deal with it [17:14] saint_dogbert Gentoo... no systemd required... patched systemd out of KDE [17:14] saint_dogbert ChromeOS is based on Gentoo. [17:14] saint_dogbert no systemd required for it [17:15] schestowitz I am watching IBM closely these days [17:15] schestowitz Red Hat affected too [17:15] schestowitz We have many groups that can fill the gaps [17:15] saint_dogbert both went woke and laying off people as they go broke? [17:15] schestowitz Microsoft and IBM [17:15] schestowitz too giants of the old days [17:15] schestowitz 90s, 80s... [17:15] schestowitz they think they can save each other [17:16] saint_dogbert Honestly, I think MS should have been broken up back then [17:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.25 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 37.65 swarm size (avg): 230.99 [17:16] saint_dogbert but they escaped that court order [17:16] schestowitz and lobbying for Bush [17:16] schestowitz who was elected and ruined some countries [17:16] schestowitz the price for bill and steve... [17:16] schestowitz elect a criminal [17:16] schestowitz don't lose the company [17:17] saint_dogbert Pretty much [17:18] techrights-bot New person for #cafc ... if Dennis Crouch likes her, it means BAD. If he fears her, GOOD! Because he's funded by thugs and #patentTrolls agents. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/05/upcoming-tiffany-cunningham.html [17:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Judge (Upcoming) Tiffany Cunningham | Patently-O [17:18] saint_dogbert I actually met Dubya a few times... once when he was governor and the second time when he was running for 2nd term as POTUS [17:19] techrights-bot "Two points are worth noting: on the one hand, the Court sides with a specific interpretation of staple product (a staple product has other significant non-protected uses); on the other hand, the Court applies a seemingly strict standard on the notion of inducement." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/05/26/patent-case-bioregenerativas-spain/ [17:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Patent case: Bioregenerativas, Spain - Kluwer Patent Blog [17:19] schestowitz [17:16] who was elected and ruined some countries [17:19] schestowitz sorry, my bad [17:20] schestowitz claimed to have been elected [17:20] schestowitz FL butterflies and all [17:20] schestowitz not even claims of "election fraud" [17:20] schestowitz but rather clear theft by ballot manipulation [17:20] schestowitz and media complicity [17:20] saint_dogbert Sounds like you think Gore should have been sworn in [17:21] kakama was he cool saint_dogbert ? [17:21] kakama my roommate made eye contact with Obama while she was on mushrooms [17:21] saint_dogbert kakama: Dunno about 'cool.' Depends on your definition. But he definitely wasn't as stupid as the media made him out to be. [17:21] techrights-bot #Krita Third Development Update! https://krita.org/en/item/third-development-update/ #kde #FreeSW [17:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org | Third Development Update! | Krita [17:21] kakama and he gave a kind of 'umm....' look because she and her equally high as fuck sister were sliding around in their chair making weird faces of devotion and psychadelia [17:21] saint_dogbert may not have been a genius or mastermind, but definitely wasn't the dumbest person I've ever met [17:22] MinceR have you met microsoft programmers? :> [17:22] kakama yeah that was clearly hyperbole, and to some degree he probably used it as a character attribute, part of his persona [17:22] saint_dogbert MinceR: Actually, yes. My brother works for MS as a programmer. [17:22] MinceR lol [17:22] saint_dogbert We haven't spoken for many years over him going to work there. [17:22] kakama I heard a theory that the 'shame on.. you don't get fooled again' thing was actually engineered to avoid saying 'shame on me' as that provides a soundbite for memetic usage [17:23] saint_dogbert kakama: His Chief of Staff apparently recommended that he not fight the media over that point and just let it ride out. [17:23] techrights-bot Virtuozzos Mature #GNU #Linux Distribution #VzLinux Now Available to Public https://finance.yahoo.com/news/virtuozzo-mature-linux-distribution-vzlinux-103000020.html [17:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Virtuozzos Mature Linux Distribution VzLinux Now Available to Public [17:23] kakama Trump was the master of constructed image/persona, being a reality TV star and all [17:23] kakama I imagine that's why Regan was popular too [17:24] kakama that distinctive base-level way Trump speaks, just all 'This thing.... SAD!' is well crafted; it sounds stupid to some people but it gets the point across in a way that maximizes the number of people who understand it [17:24] techrights-bot Argh... #deletegithub https://nishalkulkarni.tumblr.com/post/652141928080605184 stop outsourcing things to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly ... it's neither wise nor educational http://techrights.org/2020/06/15/confessions-of-scott-guthrie/ [17:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nishalkulkarni.tumblr.com | Nishal's Blog Introduction to Shell Scripting [17:24] kakama not to mention the optics of not sounding 'like a politician' [17:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Story About Microsofts Plan for GitHub Says a Lot About the Motivations and the Lies Told to Us for Over Half a Decade | Techrights [17:25] kakama and of course it was also fuckin hilarious but that'll get your head taken off for saying so [17:25] saint_dogbert kakama: Who would do that in your opinion? [17:26] saint_dogbert take your head off* [17:26] kakama I miss him tho, we will probably never have that much political lulz in our lifetimes every again, from here on out it's just blackpills forever [17:26] kakama well, a number of people I know are somewhat cross with me for even being entertained by Trump [17:26] kakama we just don't talk about it at all, I ultimately take everything as a joke and believe the whole political partisan system is rigged/a game show for entertainment and diversion and some of them buy into their side as being the right one [17:27] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/3bGC6Gh.gif?noredirect [17:27] kakama so they have a reflexive response that goes something along the lines of IT ISN'T A JOKE PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING KIDS IN CAGES [17:28] kakama even though they were not personally affected by any policies of that administration, and certain things like border arrests etc are carried on by the current administration but not part of a big media campaign [17:28] techrights-bot Projects selected for #LibreOffice in the Google Summer of Code 2021 https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/05/26/projects-selected-for-libreoffice-in-the-google-summer-of-code-2021/ when your competitor funds you. See #mozilla ... cannot criticise #google [17:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Projects selected for LibreOffice in the Google Summer of Code 2021 - The Document Foundation Blog [17:28] saint_dogbert I'll say this; I held my nose and voted for Trump in '16 as I figured he may not follow through with his promises, but he couldn't be worse than Hillary would have been [17:28] kakama Trump being around was this perfect villian for the prescribed cultural narrative, or antihero to others [17:28] saint_dogbert was pleasantly surprised at how Trump turned out though in regards to getting things moving again [17:28] saint_dogbert I'd probably vote for him again if he ran in '24 [17:29] kakama but a very orwellian '7 Minutes of Hate' was a daily ritual for those last 4 years [17:29] techrights-bot Open Insurance is coming to #Italy | Stop at Zona-M https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/05/open-insurance-is-coming-to-italy/ [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stop.zona-m.net | Open Insurance is coming to Italy | Stop at Zona-M [17:29] saint_dogbert lol [17:29] kakama I mean people hated Obama and ranted, hated Bush and ranted, that's usual, but the incredible level of 'it is normal and expected to hate the president' was insane [17:29] kakama simply the act of not hating him put you in a bad camp [17:30] schestowitz MinceR: it's a good thing then that GOP gutted public education [17:30] saint_dogbert no argument here [17:30] kakama and this cultural narrative of 'if you voted for him you are a racist' [17:30] kakama heard that a lot [17:30] MinceR :> [17:30] saint_dogbert they hate it when its pointed out how that word has lost its meaning due to overuse [17:30] MinceR schestowitz: the New Dark Ages also work out in the "republican"s favor [17:30] MinceR "my ignorance is just as valuable as your knowledge" [17:31] kakama have people who don't talk to me because I openly enjoyed that last presidency, and that combined with other opinions, good friends who got sucked into strong political views suddenly started saying some very unkind things to me and how they cannot be around me anymore [17:31] techrights-bot #mozilla to #firefox users: we are watching you ;-) ;-) https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2021/05/26/performance-sheriff-newsletter-april-2021/ [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Performance Sheriff Newsletter (April 2021) Mozilla Performance [17:31] kakama that really tore me up, a few of those, because it's like I watched people I love join a cult [17:31] saint_dogbert totally understand that [17:31] MinceR are you sure it's not the other way around? :> [17:31] saint_dogbert lost my best friend over that nonsense [17:32] kakama I mean the Trump cultists are equally ridiculous MinceR yea [17:32] schestowitz lost a lot of time to that nonsense [17:32] schestowitz US politics as emotional noise and drain [17:32] saint_dogbert A self described 'old skool democrat' that couldn't stand the thought that someone would vote for Trump over Felonia Von Pansuit [17:32] schestowitz so we don't keep sight on some other important things [17:32] kakama it's designed to be an emotional drain schestowitz [17:32] kakama yeah [17:32] saint_dogbert and then vote for Trump again over Crazy Joe [17:32] schestowitz while the Orange One threatens wars and stuff [17:33] kakama just rile everyone up into having cult like worship or hatred of these media characters [17:33] kakama while business as usual politics is passing boring but serious rules about trade policies and whatnot [17:33] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-224-236-91-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [17:33] kakama but having this culture war keeps people divided and fighting each other and always thinking their team is the savior [17:34] kingoffrance this was all predicted circa 1955 Dr. Emmett Brown : Then tell me, future boy, who's President of the United States in 1985? Marty McFly : Ronald Reagan. Dr. Emmett Brown : Ronald Reagan? The actor? [chuckles in disbelief] Dr. Emmett Brown : Then who's vice president? Jerry Lewis? [rushing out and down a hill toward his laboratory] Dr. Emmett Brown : I suppose Jane Wyman is the First Lady! [17:34] kakama my father is a fox news republican, we'll agree on 'this system is controlled the fighting between people is a diversion from the issues' sort of thing but then he tacks on 'AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE ONES DOING IT' [17:34] techrights-bot When #malware has "more feature" is that really a net positive? https://www.techradar.com/news/googles-latest-chrome-update-brings-some-great-new-features-especially-for-linux-users [17:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google's latest Chrome update brings some great new features - especially for Linux users | TechRadar [17:34] kakama like so close to understanding, but unable to break out of the narrative of Red vs Blue [17:34] MinceR probably works well for letting ~half the people let a given party get away with just about anything [17:34] MinceR "i'm sure the other party would be even worse" [17:34] kakama or for the kids who aren't into that, the Nazi vs Commie narrative that for some reason is getting a remake [17:34] MinceR => carte blanche [17:34] kakama I actually enjoyed Trump because he wasn't really a Republican, he was just kind of his own crazy thing [17:35] kakama watching the Republican actors fall over themselves to see if they were going to go with party lines or stand by their principles was fucking hilarious [17:36] kakama and then the Democrat people just trying to burn everything down for 4 years, turning the full force of the media machine against him, every trick you could pull [17:36] MinceR two-party system at its worst [17:36] kakama yup [17:36] kakama anyone who couldn't see what a farce it is after the last 4 years, I don't know how to help [17:36] kakama but the entertainment is good and people believe in the show [17:36] kakama culture war is always this brilliant smokescreen [17:36] techrights-bot Oh gosh. #WordPress running out of ideas and trying to copy #Facebook now. https://wordpress.org/news/2021/05/coloring-your-images-with-duotone-filters/ Bloat. [17:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-News Coloring Your Images With Duotone Filters WordPress.org [17:37] kakama some huge number of lgbt and black and etc people surely did not want to be dragged into the culture war the way they are being used righ tnow [17:37] techrights-bot The way things are going, #wordpress will become another #phpnuke and then nuke itself. [17:37] kakama but TPTB had to distract from Occupy somehow [17:38] kakama easy enough to use psyops to destroy a movement from inside, and then ramp up culture war stuff to increase infighting so people don't unite again [17:38] kakama tho with the extremism that it breeds that might backfire one day in our future [17:38] schestowitz sectarian superficiality [17:38] kakama like home grown al queda tier radicalism [17:38] schestowitz in the future? [17:38] schestowitz January 6th [17:39] kakama I've met all kinds of people who are absolutely steadfast in their conviction that within the next X years they are going to need to go to war to destroy, it varies, anything from the capitalists to the elites to the jews to globalhomo or whatever, same meal different flavors [17:39] techrights-bot "Matt Mets of BlinkinLabs have been using the Raspberry Pi SBC and OpenOCD to debug Arm-based microcontroller boards for a while, but found it to be a pain to find jumper wires and look up the pin-outs manually each time." https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/05/26/jtag-hat-for-raspberry-pi-eases-debugging-with-openocd/ [17:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | JTAG Hat for Raspberry Pi eases debugging with OpenOCD - CNX Software [17:40] kakama Like I'm prepared for civil war but just because I know most radical sides will want me dead for one reason or another, gonna have to defend myself [17:40] kakama if it actually pops off, we as a people have lost to the influences of various dark powers [17:40] kakama it would mean we fell for the ruse [17:41] kakama culture war smokescreen example: 4473 firearms form updated 'to add non-binary to the sex category' making those who pay attention to such things get mad about culturalmarxismglobalhomo etc [17:42] techrights-bot "A week ago, I blogged about a vulnerability in a platform that would allow anyone to download users amortisation schedules. This was a critical issue, but it wasnt really exploitable in the wild as it included a part where you had to guess the name of the document to download." https://scarpino.dev/posts/sharing-your-loan-details-to-anyone.html [17:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-scarpino.dev | Andrea Scarpino - Sharing your loan details to anyone [17:42] kakama actual change to the form that mattered: rearranging the document so that you can scan one side and have all the data you need on the purchase and what weapons were in it, whereas before you would have to open the thing up and scan two sides [17:42] kakama culture war smokescreen example: literally everything happening in teh FOSS world right now [17:42] techrights-bot "Just one week after #AMDVLK 2021.Q2.3 is now another update to this open-source #AMD Vulkan driver for Linux systems." https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMDVLK-2021.Q2.4 [17:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-AMDVLK 2021.Q2.4 Released With Two More Extensions Added - Phoronix [17:43] kakama git master, whiteblacklist, CoC, Stallin the Stallman [17:43] kakama but I'm just preaching to the choir at this point [17:43] kakama imma go get a bento box [17:43] schestowitz you need to chill [17:43] schestowitz you are acting like a troll [17:43] schestowitz and throw provocations in all directions [17:43] schestowitz hoping something will stick [17:44] schestowitz you can focus on the issues without doing any of that [17:44] kakama I guess that's reflexive but these are all related issues in my mind, symptoms of some greater trend [17:44] kakama the actual cause of which I do not understand [17:44] schestowitz if you want to help us (you are new; I know nothing about you), then you will change the tone and style [17:45] kakama I am definitely rambling though, I haven't eaten all day and have just been talking for 4 hours giving a lecture to customers [17:45] schestowitz are you a grown-up? Can you do that? [17:45] kakama yeah I'll lurk more [17:45] schestowitz OK [17:45] schestowitz most channels would have thrown you over the fence by now [17:45] schestowitz esp. as you are new [17:48] kakama I will need to assess what I said later in the context of the channel vibes I guess because I genuinely wasn't trolling [17:48] techrights-bot American ISP Sent Customer a #DMCA for Downloading #Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151614#comment-29754 [17:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Comcast Sends Copyright Notice to a User for Downloading Ubuntu ISO via Torrent | Tux Machines [17:48] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:48] *schestowitz back to tech [17:50] techrights-bot #Inkscape 1.1 Released! How to Install in #Ubuntu 20.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151559#comment-29755 #gnu #linux [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Welcome to Inkscape 1.1! | Tux Machines [17:51] techrights-bot Turn Your Tablet Or Phone Into A Graphic Tablet / Touch Screen For Your Desktop With #Weylus http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151617 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Turn Your Tablet Or Phone Into A Graphic Tablet / Touch Screen For Your Desktop With Weylus | Tux Machines [17:52] techrights-bot " #AssaultCube , a name I bet plenty of Linux users know but haven't heard anything of in a long time. It hasn't seen a release since *checks notes* 2013. However, it's going to make a return." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/classic-freeware-shooter-assaultcube-is-making-a-comeback [17:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Classic freeware shooter 'AssaultCube' is making a comeback | GamingOnLinux [17:52] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [17:52] *alextee[m] uploaded an image: (39KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/fzVhgwFlSvVPNqPGubWWNAZM/google.jpg > [17:53] techrights-bot #UnrealEngine 5 goes out in Early Access with continued Linux support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/05/unreal-engine-5-goes-out-in-early-access-with-continued-linux-support #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #Games | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/26/#latest [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unreal Engine 5 goes out in Early Access with continued Linux support | GamingOnLinux [17:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [17:55] techrights-bot #Games : #SteamPal and Several New Titles for GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151618 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: SteamPal and Several New Titles for GNU/Linux | Tux Machines [17:55] schestowitz alextee[m]: that's very old [17:55] schestowitz I saw it more than 5 years agi [17:55] schestowitz *ago [17:56] schestowitz and Microsoft missing [17:56] schestowitz they like it like that, the "GAFA" decoy [17:56] schestowitz Microsoft gets access to all of Facebook's data [17:56] schestowitz so you know they are, by definition, worse than FB [17:56] schestowitz whether also worse than Google on grounds of PRIVACY ALONE, that's debatable... [17:57] samiamsam if FB is the one giving them the data, then FB is the worse one, since it's upstream [17:58] samiamsam as i see it [17:58] alextee[m] did not know that [17:58] techrights-bot #Ardour 6.7 Digital Audio Workstation Brings Brew of Features and Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151496#comment-29756 [17:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ardour 6.7 Open-Source DAW Released with Dedicated Recorder Tab, Many Improvements | Tux Machines ● May 26 [18:01] techrights-bot #gnu #linux 1990: rtfm, n00b, you bring a culture here that would harm technical merit GNU/Linux 2021: So-called 'Open Source' people helping Microsoft seed lies inside the media (like the "loves Linux" BS) while signing mob letters to CANCEL the very FOUNDER of GNU/Linux [18:04] techrights-bot Pure #greenwashing by #Microsoft and proxies http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151593#comment-29757 #linuxfoundation is profoundly compromised and should be disbanded for #gnu #linux to grow... [18:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux Machines [18:04] schestowitz alextee[m]: old news, too http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Facebook [18:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Facebook - Techrights [18:04] schestowitz still confirmed at present [18:04] schestowitz the media confirmed it's still going on [18:04] schestowitz a few years ago [18:06] techrights-bot #bigPharma #patent #cartel is now weaponising #corporateMedia for misleading puff pieces and inherently racist lies. Says a lot about integrity of such (so-called) media... [18:09] techrights-bot Person who blackmailed the FSF into expelling its founder and banishing the founder of #GNU #Linux tells us that #freenode is no good and we should move to a network he controls. Notice overlaps. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/05/ubuntu-irc-moves-to-libera-chat [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | PSA: Ubuntu's IRC Channels Have Moved from Freenode to Libera Chat - OMG! Ubuntu! [18:12] techrights-bot This headline is a lie because the number of users has hardly changed https://fosspost.org/freenode-collapse/ #freenode [18:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosspost.org | Freenode, The Mainstream IRC Network, Is Collapsing [18:14] techrights-bot The 'cancel Freenode' people, such as Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai (moments ago, once again), are employed by the very same publication that kickstarted the anti-RMS movement by distorting what he had said days after #BillGates made headlines over #Epstein connections in #MIT [18:15] downey[m] FTFY: "However, few weeks, Shells logo, a company Lee co-founded, appeared on the homepage of Freenode, replacing a different logo of another company Lee co-founded in the same location for many years." [18:16] schestowitz that logo was there in March [18:17] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/2016-freenode.jpg [18:17] schestowitz PIA was there for half a decade [18:17] schestowitz Shells in March of this year [18:17] schestowitz after 5 years of his brother's business [18:18] schestowitz timeline: http://techrights.org/2021/05/22/freenode-ads/ [18:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Freenode Ads/Company Banners Are a 2-Decade Tradition Which Predates PIA/LTM | Techrights [18:19] techrights-bot #ibm #clowncomputing hype for #outsourcing not working out, right? "Maybe they will start doing what they do with financials - that is, recategorizing all severity 1 as severity 2, so they can then claim "look no more severity 1 issues!"" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1b21spuI#replies [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM Cloud resets Days Since Last Major Incident clock to zero after just five days - post regarding IBM layoffs [18:22] techrights-bot #Security Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151619 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:22] *zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined #techrights [18:24] *includeals_ (~includeal@a94-132-132-125.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [18:24] techrights-bot Such a "best-protected brands list" would probably be just some #thinktank for #law firms. Buy our services today to 'protect' you... https://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/brand-management/european-and-consumer-brands-dominate-clarivates-first-ever-best-protected-brands-list [18:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldtrademarkreview.com | European and consumer brands dominate Clarivates first-ever best-protected brands list | World Trademark Review [18:24] *Noisytoot_ (noisytoot@fsf/member/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [18:25] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:9e47:addf:5b42:cd6d) has joined #techrights [18:25] *schestowitz__ has quit (Changing host) [18:25] *schestowitz__ (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [18:25] *includeals has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:25] *includeals_ is now known as includeals [18:25] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:25] *Condor has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:28] *Condor (~freenode@e1.nixmagic.com) has joined #techrights [18:29] *schestowitz has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:29] *Noisytoot_ is now known as Noisytoot [18:31] techrights-bot US 2A harms #privacy https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2021/05/26/illinois-foid-act-an-unconstitutional-law-that-invades-privacy-of-gun-owners-and-doesnt-lower-crime-its-a-biometrics-program-that-spies-on-lawful-citizens/ [18:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-baronhk.wordpress.com | Illinois FOID Act: An unconstitutional law that invades privacy of gun owners and doesnt lower crime. Its a biometrics program that spies on lawful citizens. BaronHK's Rants [18:36] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151620 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:36] techrights-bot Many #PostgreSQL -Related Releases http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151621 #psql #postgres #TuxMachines [18:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Many PostgreSQL-Related Releases | Tux Machines [18:38] techrights-bot "We are looking for an individual or company to implement the new TDF Membership Committees web-based tooling." #libreoffice #documentFoundation https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/05/26/tender-to-implement-the-new-tdf-membership-committees-web-based-tooling-202105-01/ [18:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.documentfoundation.org | Tender to implement the new TDF Membership Committees web-based tooling (#202105-01) - The Document Foundation Blog [18:39] *schestowitz__ is now known as schestowitz [18:42] techrights-bot Stable Kernels: 5.12.7, 5.10.40, 5.4.122, 4.19.192, 4.14.234, 4.9.270 , and 4.4.270 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151622 #Kernel #Linux #TuxMachines [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Stable Kernels: 5.12.7, 5.10.40, 5.4.122, 4.19.192, 4.14.234, 4.9.270 , and 4.4.270 | Tux Machines [18:46] *saint_dogbert has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) ● May 26 [19:02] techrights-bot Links 26/5/2021: #IBM #ClownComputing Issues, #DMCA Versus #Ubuntu ISO http://techrights.org/2021/05/26/dmca-versus-ubuntu-iso/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/05/26/dmca-versus-ubuntu-iso/ [19:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 26/5/2021: IBM Clown Computing Issues, DMCA Versus Ubuntu ISO | Techrights [19:03] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151629 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [19:03] techrights-bot #OpenHardware : #RaspberryPi and ARM http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151628 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware: Raspberry Pi and ARM | Tux Machines [19:04] techrights-bot #FreeSoftware Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151627 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw [19:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Software Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:04] techrights-bot #Google #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151626 #Linux #TuxMachines [19:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:05] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151625 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:05] techrights-bot #ProprietarySoftware and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151624 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Proprietary Software and More | Tux Machines [19:06] techrights-bot Benchmarking #AMD Ryzen 5 5500U Linux Performance With A $450 #Lenovo Laptop http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151623 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Benchmarking AMD Ryzen 5 5500U Linux Performance With A $450 Lenovo Laptop | Tux Machines [19:15] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.96 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 42.16 swarm size (avg): 231.04 [19:16] *saint_dogbert (~phobos@unaffiliated/phobos-anomaly/x-6744724) has joined #techrights [19:23] techrights-bot This is exactly what I said, all along, would happen. When you start a fork based on a phony 'issue', such as "GIMP" (acronym) supposedly offending people, nobody would flock over https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/05/glimpse-gimp-fork-project-on-pause [19:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk | GIMP Fork 'Glimpse' is on Pause, No Further Updates Planned for Now - OMG! Ubuntu! [19:27] techrights-bot #LinuxFoundation has become a front that's #greenwashing corrupt company that attacks Linux. This is truly disturbing as Microsoftr vendor capture tactics have hijacked the brand "Linux" itself. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151593#comment-29758 #ProprietarySofwtare #entryism [19:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Foundation Working for Microsoft and GitHub Now | Tux Machines [19:28] techrights-bot #JimZemlin : Open Source Loves #Microsoft http://techrights.org/2019/07/31/jim-zemlin-open-source-loves-microsoft/ #Techrights #FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/07/31/jim-zemlin-open-source-loves-microsoft/ [19:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | Techrights [19:30] techrights-bot #mozilla as #censorship vendor https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2021/05/26/mozilla-statement-on-the-european-commissions-guidance-on-the-revision-of-the-eu-code-of-practice-on-disinformation/ #internet browser company or Internet police? [19:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla reacts to the European Commissions guidance on the revision of the EU Code of Practice on Disinformation - Open Policy & Advocacy [19:31] techrights-bot If #google doesn't kill #mozilla over the next 5 years (Google needs Mozilla to pretend there's still competition and bemoan antitrust action), #firefox might join the laughable cloud club of Web 'browsers' that tell you which site/page you can access and which you cannot [19:31] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:32] *Condor has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:32] techrights-bot "Cockpit is the modern #GNU #Linux admin interface. We release regularly. Here are the release notes from Cockpit version 245 and cockpit-podman version 31." https://cockpit-project.org//blog/cockpit-245.html [19:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cockpit-project.org | Cockpit 245 Cockpit Project [19:34] techrights-bot "It's time we pushed forwards in our exploration of #XFCE , this time, we're going to look at the default applications that this desktop ships, and reflect a little bit on their approach, that is really different from other desktop environments" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=247Dx3j2Jlk [19:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-XFCE Default apps - How is everything so FAST? - YouTube [19:36] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [19:36] AdmFubar https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by-the-crown-prince-of-korea/ [19:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Freenode IRC staff resign en masse after takeover by Koreas crown prince | Ars Technica [19:36] *Condor (~freenode@e1.nixmagic.com) has joined #techrights [19:37] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [19:38] techrights-bot #OpenOCD -ready HAT turns the Pi into a debugger with Cortex-M and JTAG headers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151628#comment-29759 #gnu #linux [19:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Hardware: Raspberry Pi and ARM | Tux Machines [19:38] downey[m] I didn't know Ars was so big into stenography [19:39] schestowitz it changed [19:39] schestowitz they lost a lort of the staff [19:39] schestowitz *lot [19:39] schestowitz also Wired, same owner [19:39] schestowitz they started cross posting [19:40] schestowitz Ars took a massive tumble when an editor, Microsoft Peter, was arrested for raping children [19:40] schestowitz that was 2 years ago [19:40] schestowitz Microsoft lost a key "asset", their main one in Ars [19:40] schestowitz AdmFubar: it's the headline that says what agenda they have [19:40] schestowitz there's no such thing [19:41] schestowitz they make it seem like david vs goliath [19:41] schestowitz when in fact sometimes it's the 'davids' who are fronting for the rich [19:41] schestowitz and take away from startups [19:43] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/21032622 [19:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5348075) [19:45] AdmFubar https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27246755 [19:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.ycombinator.com | Freenode IRC operators now engaging in routine abuses of power | Hacker News [19:46] techrights-bot Material Shell Gets #GNOMEShell 40 Support, New Overview And #Gtk4 Settings http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151591#comment-29760 #gnome #gnu [19:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 40's Shell Theme Code Is Rather Expensive But Optimization Pursued | Tux Machines [19:47] techrights-bot Four years of #postmarketOS / #AlpineConf 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151630 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Four years of postmarketOS / AlpineConf 2021 | Tux Machines [19:47] *KindOne has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [19:48] *KindOne (kindone@h254.74.155.207.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #techrights [19:48] XRevan86 AdmFubar: Old news, it got bigger from then. [19:49] techrights-bot #linuxfoundation thinks #linux people are a bunch of idiots who can be lied to http://techrights.org/2019/07/31/jim-zemlin-open-source-loves-microsoft/ [19:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Jim Zemlin: Open Source Loves Microsoft | Techrights [19:51] *stormchaser3000 (~iansutter@unaffiliated/stormchaser3000) has joined #techrights [19:54] techrights-bot Plans for physical events of #geminiSpace users and devs https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006567.html #geminiprotocol #europe [19:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | Gemini meetup? [19:55] AdmFubar Not old news... these are updates to the situation. one can glean a few new insights to the takeover [19:56] techrights-bot #EuroLinux 8.3-beta is now available. #gnu #linux #poland #pl https://euro-linux.com/ [19:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pl.euro-linux.com | EuroLinux Sp. z o.o. profesjonalne rozwizania Open Source [19:56] XRevan86 AdmFubar: The comments there are 3-4 days old, no one covered what happened yesterday. [19:58] techrights-bot 3,180 new #covid19 cases and 9 new deaths in the United Kingdom. Highest in several weeks. I still expect lock-downs to resume by autumn. We've already quit the gym (2 days ago) as it no longer feels safe; overconfident people not keeping distance and overcrowding. ● May 26 [20:00] lockeanarchist lol [20:00] lockeanarchist after this purge I think that Freenode is done. tbh [20:04] techrights-bot #New Design and modern Core: #Univention Corporate Server 5.0 has been released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151631 #Debian #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Design and modern Core: Univention Corporate Server 5.0 has been released | Tux Machines [20:05] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/5EVJtm2.png [20:09] XRevan86 MinceR: They speak of the log screenshot in https://freenode.net/news/for-foss [20:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode exists for FOSS - freenode [20:09] MinceR this particular log? [20:09] MinceR i thought that article was posted before the freenodecom nuke was dropped [20:09] XRevan86 I personally love how Andrew forms every sentence in such a formal way that he clearly intended to screenshot it %) [20:10] XRevan86 MinceR: Maybe, I still wanted to show my appreciation to that one though [20:11] XRevan86 MinceR: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2021q2/006909.html they're talking about this one indeed. [20:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mail.kde.org | The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE) [20:13] MinceR XRevan86: Fuchs was k-lined at 05-26 2:32, freenodecom was active around 05-26 5:05 [20:13] XRevan86 MinceR: And the screenshot is from 05-25 [20:14] MinceR the screenshot i posted is from after the freenodecom thing [20:14] XRevan86 MinceR: Ah, ye misunderstood. *They* on the screenshot mentioned that other screenshot. [20:14] MinceR ah, ok [20:14] MinceR (the above times are CEST) [20:15] XRevan86 (how un-universal) [20:15] MinceR :> [20:15] XRevan86 Darth Iversal? [20:15] lockeanarchist the problem is that many people that where undecided about freenode and just announcing that they were undecided got a freenodecom visit haha [20:15] MinceR :> [20:15] MinceR Darth Becile [20:16] XRevan86 lockeanarchist: And even those who didn't have decided. [20:16] lockeanarchist yeah [20:16] XRevan86 A tipping point, as they say. [20:17] *stormchaser3000 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [20:17] XRevan86 The year is 1937 [20:17] lockeanarchist if they were trying to stop the bleeding they just opened the wound more [20:18] lockeanarchist I won't be surprised if lc surpasses fn in this current year [20:18] XRevan86 freenode Trials: Trial of the Anti-freenode Liberian Center In the freenode 17 leading staffers go on trial, accused of participating in a plot led by tomaw to overthrow Andrew Lee's regime, and assassinate its shareholders. [20:19] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Trials [20:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Moscow Trials - Wikipedia [20:19] techrights-bot #UnrealEngine 5 Hits Early Access, Linux Still Supported - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Unreal-Engine-5-Early-Access #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/05/26/#latest [20:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Unreal Engine 5 Hits Early Access, Linux Still Supported - Phoronix [20:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:19] XRevan86 The references write themselves. [20:19] MinceR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Liberia.svg [20:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Flag of Liberia.svg - Wikipedia [20:20] techrights-bot Linux Picks Up Fix For Latest "Confused Deputy" Weakness Going Back To 2.6.12 Kernel - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Confused-Deputy-2.6.12 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux #Security [20:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Picks Up Fix For Latest "Confused Deputy" Weakness Going Back To 2.6.12 Kernel - Phoronix [20:22] lockeanarchist "let's decentralize"! Proceed to take down all ops that put "lc" in the channel topic :) [20:22] XRevan86 lockeanarchist: Trotskist treason will not be tolerated [20:24] techrights-bot Announcing #Oracle #GNU #Linux Clown Native Environment Release 1.3 https://blogs.oracle.com/linux/announcing-oracle-linux-cloud-native-environment-release-13 [20:25] XRevan86 lockeanarchist: We can all talk about the World Revolution, how it's good and all, but Trotsky's ideas will never work and as such he's effectively working for the capitalist enemy, so we should start treating them as such. [20:27] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:27] techrights-bot Announcing the release of #Oracle Linux 8 Update 4 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/151632 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:27] XRevan86 lockeanarchist: So that's the line of thinking I'm seeing here basically. [20:27] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [20:27] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [20:31] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-224-236-91-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [20:40] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:40] techrights-bot #IBM working with "USAID, the Clinton Global Initiative"... what could go wrong? https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/grillo-tests-earthquake-detection-system-in-puerto-rico/ [20:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developer.ibm.com | Grillo tests earthquake detection system in Puerto Rico IBM Developer [20:45] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.106) has joined #techrights [20:47] *Aspie96 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [20:51] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [20:59] XRevan86 https://atheme.github.io/atheme-open-letter/ [20:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-atheme.github.io | An open letter from Athemes developers and community | atheme-open-letter ● May 26 [21:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: https://nitter.cc/osuosl/status/1397633679581597697 also a post on Twatter, thus unimportant? [21:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.cc | Open Source Lab (@osuosl): "We were proud to be an early sponsor of #freenode back in the day. Thanks for the shout out on the importance of our role" | nitter [21:05] XRevan86 (I know ye moved on and everything) [21:09] *sebsebseb (~sebastian@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights [21:10] sebsebseb mekkis: schestowitz ping [21:10] sebsebseb rasengan: ping [21:11] sebsebseb rasengan: whoops looks like lots of communities don't trust you for some reason so going to that other network, but nevemind [21:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 52.53 swarm size (avg): 231.08 [21:33] baronhk[m] Facebook got revenge for calling them out for privacy issues. [21:34] baronhk[m] They cooked up some incompatibility that disappeared if you used a Chrome UA. [21:34] sebsebseb oh no [21:34] sebsebseb most of the people are leaving freenode [21:34] sebsebseb or a lot [21:35] downey[m] "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth" [21:35] sebsebseb ubuntu just left [21:35] MinceR i won't miss ubuntu [21:35] sebsebseb others already have [21:35] sebsebseb more to follow [21:36] sebsebseb the new most popular channel is looking like ##linux on here now [21:36] saint_dogbert The big question is; will they take #Arch with them [21:36] sebsebseb downey[m]: what like iwth some of hte covid stuff possibly ? [21:37] baronhk[m] Google has created incompatibilities and hid them behind Chrome UAs or actually figured out non-standard features in the Chromium engine and implemented features using that. [21:37] XRevan86 saint_dogbert: What's there? [21:37] baronhk[m] Like the Polymer user interface for Youtube. [21:37] saint_dogbert XRevan86: the arch linux channel [21:37] *Aspie96 (02226e09@net-2-34-110-9.cust.vodafonedsl.it) has joined #techrights [21:37] XRevan86 saint_dogbert: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_IRC_channels [21:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.archlinux.org | Arch IRC channels - ArchWiki [21:38] baronhk[m] Microsoft also complained that Google figured out how EdgeHTML's hardware assisted video decode worked and deliberately put an invisible iframe in front of the video to prevent it from working so that the laptop would get hot and drain the battery. [21:38] XRevan86 saint_dogbert: Because of the channel take-over thing on freenode ye may need to manually consult the websites to see which channel is official. [21:38] MinceR microsoft doesn't like the taste of their own medicine? [21:39] saint_dogbert XRevan86: I don't want to know what their official channel is, let alone consult with them [21:39] XRevan86 saint_dogbert: Oh, I thought ye asked a question. Never mind then. [21:40] saint_dogbert I think its stupid to close a big channel on a network just because they don't like the owner and some staffers are/were having a hissy fit about it [21:40] *Condor is now known as weeb [21:40] XRevan86 (the answer to that question was "yes", anyway) [21:40] psydroid the Ubuntu WSL guy is at SUSE now [21:46] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has left #techrights [21:46] *AdmFubar (~mradmin@76-234-138-224.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [21:53] *gde34 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [21:54] *gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:55] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:55] *prurigro has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:55] *whytek has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [21:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:58] *prurigro (~prurigro@li365-7.members.linode.com) has joined #techrights ● May 26 [22:00] AdmFubar https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210524/06274946858/27-right-to-repair-laws-proposed-this-year-giants-like-apple-have-ensured-none-have-passed-so-far.shtml [22:01] *whytek (~whytek@208.67.252.170) has joined #techrights [22:08] buzzert im a little behind on the freenode controversy. the exodus was precipitated by some big lie? [22:08] MinceR there was at least one lie [22:08] MinceR problem is, we don't know which statements are lies [22:09] XRevan86 buzzert: Which exodus? The initial one or the new wave? [22:09] MinceR and yeah, then there was an ill-conceived bot operation that resulted on the takeover of many channels [22:10] buzzert new wave? i didnt hear about the initial one [22:10] buzzert what is the motivation behind the bot operation? [22:10] XRevan86 buzzert: A week ago and now [22:12] MinceR something like they wanted the channels of moved projects to be open and usable, except their policy means users would have to use about (##) channels instead anyway [22:12] MinceR also, they probably didn't like oftc and libera being advertised in topics [22:14] XFaCE I think the lesson here is that we should not look for nuance in situations and always blindly follow the groupthink. [22:14] MinceR lol [22:14] saint_dogbert lol [22:15] buzzert haha [22:19] baronhk[m] The problem with feeding Google Chrome UAs to Google is that it may work or it may direct you to something that doesn't work at all. [22:19] baronhk[m] They implement entire websites on functionality that was already rejected for standardization and then feed that to Chrome and a version with less features to everyone else. [22:20] baronhk[m] I doubt that Edge is safe because it advertises itself as "Edg" instead of "Edge" now and it has a different UA, which is exactly what was triggering compatibility problems for Vivaldi and Brave. [22:20] prurigro in a lot of cases I've found firefox works perfectly well on sites that reject anything but chromium once you spoof [22:21] prurigro not that those are sites that deserve attention [22:21] baronhk[m] They just say they're Chrome. Still, my bank figured out a way to match the exact Chrome version numbers and won't let you log in without an actual match to a released stable version of Chrome that is fairly recent. [22:21] baronhk[m] So you can't log in under Brave without faking the UA. [22:22] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [22:22] baronhk[m] Arguing with websites about compatibility is usually a waste of time. Once you drop below about 5%, they no longer care and increasingly start sticking out "Come back in this other browser.". [22:23] prurigro spoofing your UA is a good way to get them to ignore a given browser on that note [22:24] baronhk[m] Well, they're not going to support you either way. [22:25] prurigro my bank didn't originally support firefox and now it does [22:25] prurigro or rather, they went from partial to full support [22:25] baronhk[m] BofA required IE 6 for a very long time even after it became clear what an ongoing disaster IE 6 was and that all malware that installed itself by visiting a site was targeting it. [22:26] MinceR bofa, eh? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BofA [22:27] baronhk[m] IE 6 was so bad that if Microsoft was still actively supporting it and the web was frozen exactly where it was back then, they could keep patching it for 20 more years and it still wouldn't matter much. [22:27] baronhk[m] Compatibility with the original design means you can't fix it. [22:28] MinceR ie6 was so bad microsoft wants it to exist forever [22:28] *tagglink (~tagglink@81-224-236-91-no2810.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #techrights [22:28] *phobos has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [22:28] baronhk[m] They hid some things behind "click to activate" with XP SP2. [22:28] baronhk[m] Then malicious websites just had an arrow that said "Click here.". [22:29] baronhk[m] "When a screen like this pops up, click Allow." [22:30] XRevan86 https://glimpse-editor.org/posts/a-project-on-hiatus/ oh hey, why did I find out about this from OpenNET? [22:30] baronhk[m] I tried using Steam for "Linux" and I honestly think that Proton is less of a disaster than some of the native ports. [22:30] XRevan86 Ah, I'm blind. [22:31] XRevan86 (18:23:44) techrights-bot: This is exactly what I said, all along, would happen. When you start a fork based on a phony 'issue', such as "GIMP" (acronym) supposedly offending people, nobody would flock over https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/05/glimpse-gimp-fork-project-on-pause [22:31] baronhk[m] Borderlands 2 ported by Aspyr stopped working almost as soon as the next versions of the distributions came out six months later. [22:31] baronhk[m] And their tickets were always closed saying "Try it on Ubuntu 16.04" or something like that. [22:32] baronhk[m] It left me hacking at the sides going "Okay, you know, it crashes at the title screen, so maybe if I delete the video file with the logos.". [22:34] sebsebseb zha ha [22:34] sebsebseb so even techrighs has split kind of [22:35] baronhk[m] https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/directx-heart-linux/ [22:35] sebsebseb there's an unoffial channel on liera :D [22:35] sebsebseb libera [22:35] baronhk[m] The dlls are "closed source" and "part of Windows". [22:35] CrystalMath sebsebseb: best of luck to them [22:35] baronhk[m] So of no use to actual Linux. [22:35] baronhk[m] Aside from that, they love Linux. [22:35] baronhk[m] I wonder how Proton is coming along with games that use a recent version of DirectX. [22:35] saint_dogbert Yeah, I believe that like I believe Crazy Joe really does want to work with both sides [22:37] XRevan86 sebsebseb: It's been there since day one, superkuh organised it. [22:44] alextee[m] glad to see this happen [22:47] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:49] *tagglink has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [22:51] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rfbdvleirsczsqap) has joined #techrights [22:57] *sebsebseb has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [22:58] *sebsebseb (~sebastian@cpc144022-aztw33-2-0-cust384.18-1.cable.virginm.net) has joined #techrights [22:58] *sebsebseb has quit (Changing host) [22:58] *sebsebseb (~sebastian@unaffiliated/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights [22:58] sebsebseb XRevan86: yep he wants to fork it or kind of [22:59] sebsebseb or get away from you lot [22:59] sebsebseb the real tehrights pepole [22:59] sebsebseb techrights without MinceR no that so woudn't be the same [22:59] XRevan86 sebsebseb: He's keeping the place warm [22:59] sebsebseb MinceR: Apple [22:59] sebsebseb MinceR: Microsoft IBM [22:59] sebsebseb Canonical [22:59] CrystalMath sebsebseb: you're saying superkuh is a traitor? [22:59] sebsebseb CrystalMath: maybe he is ● May 26 [23:07] *sebsebseb has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:13] MinceR lol [23:16] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 33.41 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 75.85 swarm size (avg): 231.12 [23:55] schestowitz [21:40] the Ubuntu WSL guy is at SUSE now [23:55] schestowitz which one? [23:55] schestowitz the one who pretends to be "unix" man?