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schestowitz 26 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTubeJun 26 00:03
DaemonFC[m]Captain Obvious BotJun 26 00:04
MinceR:)Jun 26 00:05
schestowitzgoogle ruinwd youtubeJun 26 00:06
schestowitzruinedJun 26 00:06
schestowitzit would not even open without JSJun 26 00:06
schestowitzas of months agoJun 26 00:06
insmodppaMany sites these days won't work without JS. Not that it matters since they're all state corp data mining ops and should be avoided in the first place.Jun 26 00:11
DaemonFC[m] 26 00:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | More than 1 million coronavirus stimulus checks went to dead people according to GAO - The Washington PostJun 26 00:15
DaemonFC[m]Those dead people are very stimulated by their $1,200 checks.Jun 26 00:15
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure the several million living people who still don't know where theirs is love that.Jun 26 00:16
MinceRmaybe they'll be stimulated enough to vote for twitlerJun 26 00:18
MinceRjust you wait!Jun 26 00:18
DaemonFC[m]I filed bankruptcy with mine.Jun 26 00:18
DaemonFC[m]Our president set a fine example.Jun 26 00:18
DaemonFC[m]That alone is just a mosquito bite for the banks, but when tons of people flock to bankruptcy court at once it won't be. Jun 26 00:19
DaemonFC[m]It looks like there's going to be over 80 bankruptcy filings today in the Northern District of Illinois.Jun 26 00:20
DaemonFC[m]The pace is not slowing down.Jun 26 00:20
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DaemonFC[m]It looks like we'll blow past all of last year's bankruptcy filings by the middle of August or so if this stays about level with where it is now.Jun 26 00:22
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I got rushed through the questions because the Trustee was running behind and overdue for his lunch.Jun 26 00:29
DaemonFC[m]We got to listen to a bunch of stuff including a guy who put his business in Chapter 11 because he was prototyping some new technique for drilling for oil and then all of his investors started pulling out at once in January.Jun 26 00:30
DaemonFC[m]The Trustee said "How is that the fault of the Coronavirus? It wasn't a problem here until February or March.".Jun 26 00:30
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DaemonFC[m]My phone was still on mute and I said, "I don't know. Maybe investors are smarter than you.".Jun 26 00:30
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DaemonFC[m]"They see something killing everyone in China while a big Amazon Alexa says stay in your house and they all scram and take their money.".Jun 26 00:31
MinceRlolJun 26 00:31
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DaemonFC[m] 26 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Carly Simon Reveals She Had Sexual Encounters with an Older Boy When She Was 7 | PEOPLE.comJun 26 00:37
DaemonFC[m]Uh, nice job making her sound like a hoebag. She was raped by a teenager. Jun 26 00:37
DaemonFC[m]Who the fuck wrote this?Jun 26 00:37
DaemonFC[m]Trump is the worst thing that has ever happened to America, and it's getting harder and harder to measure these things. He's been worse for this country than 9/11.Jun 26 00:39
DaemonFC[m]People were furious that a bunch of Arabs killed 2,000 people. We're still losing 4-5 times that a week to a virus and we're getting ready to go into the fourth month. Jun 26 00:41
DaemonFC[m]He's filling auditoriums with a bunch of people where death by Coronavirus is the only thing that might stop them from foisting him on us again. The government said they were pursuing bioterror charges against people for saying they'd spread it and he's putting 50,000 people in a stadium together with no masks on and getting them to howl and cheer (for what?).Jun 26 00:42
DaemonFC[m]The stadium in Arizona actually was packed, but you never know with political campaigns. Sometimes they bus people in to fill seats and pay them to sit there.Jun 26 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Bush did it with his "Social Security Reform Tour" and had people beaten up and thrown out for asking questions like "How are all the old people supposed to live?".Jun 26 00:43
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MinceRfor neofascism, of courseJun 26 00:43
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DaemonFC[m]One guy actually had one of his business's creditors show up, but nobody else did. Including me.Jun 26 00:48
DaemonFC[m]This lady grilled him though, like "Did you ever sell any gift cards and how many are still out there?".Jun 26 00:49
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yes, weird headline about SimonJun 26 00:51
schestowitz"Sexual Encounters" seems like the wrong termJun 26 00:51
schestowitzFloyd has a physical encounter with Minneapolis policeJun 26 00:51
schestowitzNina had an encounter with Hans ReiserJun 26 00:52
schestowitzISIS had some encounters in ParisJun 26 00:52
MinceR 26 00:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTubeJun 26 00:52
MinceRthanks, TechrightsBot-tr!Jun 26 00:53
MinceRthe actual title: Let's Listen - Memento Mori II - Frivolous EncounterJun 26 00:53
schestowitzMinceR: just soundJun 26 00:53
MinceRindeedJun 26 00:53
schestowitzMinceR: bots age poorlyJun 26 00:53
schestowitznot wellJun 26 00:53
schestowitzas the sites 'evolve'Jun 26 00:53
schestowitzLots of things I used to do with youtube no longer work.. since months agoJun 26 00:54
schestowitzafaik, this bot code is used only by usJun 26 00:54
schestowitztony manco wrote it, iircJun 26 00:54
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, they broke it in WebkitGTK, so they had to flip that HTTP Live Streaming crap on.Jun 26 00:54
DaemonFC[m]In a point release with barely any testing, because Youtube needs it for no legitimate reason now.Jun 26 00:55
DaemonFC[m]HTTP Live Streaming really sucks balls on a slow connection.Jun 26 00:55
DaemonFC[m]Your connection will have a slight issue and the fucking video just goes straight back to the beginning and you have to start the whole thing over and it's just awful.Jun 26 00:56
DaemonFC[m]I suppose if you're on a porn site, literally, you have to restart the fucking video.Jun 26 00:57
DaemonFC[m]Or do you have to restart the fucking fucking video?Jun 26 00:58
DaemonFC[m]I really liked that Avenue Q "The Internet is for Porn" thing. They forgot MP3s. Jun 26 00:58
superkuhWhen you download mp3s you're downloading communism.Jun 26 01:01
DaemonFC[m]Literally, since the format is in the public domain and Technocolor is in Chapter 15 bankruptcy. B-)Jun 26 01:02
DaemonFC[m]*TechnicolorJun 26 01:02
DaemonFC[m]Also in France, a cessation de la something or other.Jun 26 01:02
DaemonFC[m]I don't know. They're French.Jun 26 01:02
DaemonFC[m]Nagahema Nagahema ---- Ehhhh, not gonna work here anymore.Jun 26 01:03
DaemonFC[m]I'm just happy that the MP3 patent train wreck is finally over.Jun 26 01:04
DaemonFC[m]That was terrible. Richard Stallman commented on how terrible it was. At one point it was the dominant format for internet distribution of music and it still kind of is, and you couldn't even make a player that was gratis or libre to play them and give it to someone without Technicolor and Fraunhofer knocking down your door with lawyers. Jun 26 01:05
DaemonFC[m]I'd say that in many ways, despite the shitty bitstream format, the current release of LAME makes Ogg Vorbis sort of a moot point.Jun 26 01:06
DaemonFC[m]At least the reference Vorbis, which is all anyone ever seems to package for Linux, unfortunately.Jun 26 01:06
DaemonFC[m]MP3 is deficient, but not in a way where you're likely to notice that, with a modern LAME release.Jun 26 01:07
DaemonFC[m]LAME improved quite a lot in 3.98 and even more in 3.99.Jun 26 01:07
DaemonFC[m]A staggering amount, really. Turning MP3's inventor's white paper saying AAC would be twice as efficient someday, into a big joke.Jun 26 01:07
DaemonFC[m]I still think DOS was a very underrated system.Jun 26 01:16
DaemonFC[m]How stupid it was, was actually its best feature.Jun 26 01:16
MinceRindeedJun 26 01:16
DaemonFC[m]You could extend it to do anything, so it really didn't matter much.Jun 26 01:17
MinceRthat's what enabled loadlin.exe to workJun 26 01:17
DaemonFC[m]Or DOOM. Or, hell, some word processors, or an MP3 player why not.Jun 26 01:17
DaemonFC[m]Web browsers.Jun 26 01:17
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Doom, MP3, and web browser.Jun 26 01:17
DaemonFC[m]There's like 90% of what you need a computer for anyway.Jun 26 01:18
DaemonFC[m]Oddly, the ISO demo MP3 encoder had support for DOS and Linux, but it was just as broken as it was anywhere else.Jun 26 01:19
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: so what next for us of a?Jun 26 01:49
schestowitzNot just USJun 26 01:49
schestowitzbut US seems worse off than mostJun 26 01:49
schestowitzdebt and leadership, firearms and militias, divided society and massive wealth gapsJun 26 01:49
*schestowitz doesn't think biden would tackle any of these issues, eitherJun 26 01:50
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DaemonFC[m]> * <> doesn't think biden would tackle any of these issues, eitherJun 26 02:08
DaemonFC[m]No, but he will be a vent for people who think things can be normal again.Jun 26 02:08
DaemonFC[m]So I see him as a sort of Jimmy Carter reset after the Nixon scandals. Jun 26 02:09
DaemonFC[m]He may very well have a blowout victory that lasts one term.Jun 26 02:09
DaemonFC[m]People saw Carter as a refreshing reset to normal after the country was scandal plagued and rocked by war, inflation, recession and all sorts of nasty things.Jun 26 02:10
schestowitzsame as Thatcher at the timeJun 26 02:10
schestowitzher and Mr. HollywoodJun 26 02:11
schestowitzpeople dumbed down sinceJun 26 02:11
DaemonFC[m]What many people don't really talk about is that Nixon really mismanaged the war in Vietnam and it was something he didn't end quickly enough or pursue to the point of defeating the North Vietnamese. Jun 26 02:11
DaemonFC[m]So that was a massive failure. Jun 26 02:11
schestowitzas if the goal wasn't US or UK excellence but rapid passage of power and wealth to few peopleJun 26 02:11
DaemonFC[m]He didn't pick a lane and we lost, and lost badly.Jun 26 02:11
DaemonFC[m]Oh, there's just too many groups right now that have had quite enough of Trump and want him gone.Jun 26 02:12
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DaemonFC[m]The war hawks want rid of him. John Bolton has started slinging all of the mud he can get.Jun 26 02:14
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]:  what are your (you and Mandy's) longterm plans?Jun 26 02:14
DaemonFC[m]The Democrats hate Trump obviously.Jun 26 02:14
schestowitzeach iteration of presidency gets worseJun 26 02:14
schestowitzI reckon Trump isn't going away this year or next year in JanJun 26 02:14
schestowitzhe'll play dirtyJun 26 02:14
DaemonFC[m]Survive this, hopefully. Get out of Illinois.Jun 26 02:15
schestowitz 26 02:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Coronavirus Update (Live): 9,702,189 Cases and 490,987 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - WorldometerJun 26 02:15
DaemonFC[m]The bankruptcy really helps.Jun 26 02:15
schestowitz40,184 new casesJun 26 02:15
DaemonFC[m]John got it worse than I did. Serves him right.Jun 26 02:15
schestowitz40,184 new cases of COVID-19 in one day in US. New record. In late June even!Jun 26 02:15
DaemonFC[m]He figured he'd lie to the cops and use them as muscle to get me out of that house and that I'd go quietly. Jun 26 02:16
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schestowitz1,118 new cases in UKJun 26 02:16
schestowitzANNNND... Jun 26 02:16
schestowitzwe aren't even doing wellJun 26 02:16
schestowitzcompared to EuropeJun 26 02:16
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, watch Arizona. That packed Trump rally was yesterday.Jun 26 02:17
DaemonFC[m]Arizona is already the second worst hit state by population density right now.Jun 26 02:17
DaemonFC[m]Then the RNC and Trump are doing lots of stuff in Florida later.Jun 26 02:17
DaemonFC[m]"I've got a great idea! You know how people fucking hate me? Let's kill the people who still like me!"Jun 26 02:18
DaemonFC[m]In the swing states too!Jun 26 02:19
DaemonFC[m]His campaign figures it's a calculated risk.Jun 26 02:19
DaemonFC[m]He can do nothing and he definitely loses, or he can hope that he doesn't kill so many people who attended his rallies that it moves the needle more than the number of voters it kills.Jun 26 02:19
DaemonFC[m]That's really, frankly, all this is.Jun 26 02:20
schestowitzAZ is on the borderJun 26 02:25
schestowitzso..Jun 26 02:25
schestowitzno need to say much moreJun 26 02:26
schestowitzxenophobic policies and allJun 26 02:26
DaemonFC[m]Well, it's also Leaning Biden right now.Jun 26 02:26
DaemonFC[m]He hopes he can fire up the crazies and reverse that somewhat.Jun 26 02:26
DaemonFC[m]Of course the way this backfires is he throws gas on the fire there and even more old people die.Jun 26 02:29
DaemonFC[m]It's a state full of old people.Jun 26 02:29
DaemonFC[m] 26 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Illinois Gun Permit Applications Soar 500% As Frightened Liberals Embrace 2nd Amendment | Zero HedgeJun 26 02:29
DaemonFC[m]LOLJun 26 02:29
DaemonFC[m]+40,184Jun 26 02:31
DaemonFC[m]Fuck a duck.Jun 26 02:31
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, half of it is in 4 states, including one where Trump will have the RNC and Disney World is reopening.Jun 26 02:33
DaemonFC[m]Second Wave Accomplished.Jun 26 02:33
DaemonFC[m]It's bad already. It will get worse, because Floriduh is led my someone who is a Trump anal polyp who doesn't realize he doesn't need a permission slip to run a state.Jun 26 02:33
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schestowitz[02:33] <DaemonFC[m]> Second Wave Accomplished.Jun 26 04:58
schestowitzbigger than I ever expectedJun 26 04:58
schestowitzI am not sure the first one ever stopped in the USJun 26 04:58
schestowitzthis is first wave resumesJun 26 04:58
schestowitzas they prematurely reopenJun 26 04:58
schestowitzspreading the illness quadraticallyJun 26 04:58
schestowitz"elect a clown expect a circus" becomes "elect a clown, get a crown" (corona)Jun 26 04:59
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CrystalMathDaemonFC[m]: very few of them will actually dieJun 26 05:47
CrystalMathmaybe hundreds, but that means nothing on the grand scale of thingsJun 26 05:47
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schestowitzcybrNaut: in the US about a million recovered or were released, whereas 124k diedJun 26 07:31
schestowitzthat's hardly a good recovery rateJun 26 07:31
schestowitzCrystalMath: ^^Jun 26 07:31
CrystalMathif you believe that only a million recoveredJun 26 07:32
CrystalMaththis virus spreads far beyond anyone's ability to test for itJun 26 07:32
CrystalMathif you look at studies of antibody testingJun 26 07:32
CrystalMathyou will see that the true number of infected was an order of magnitude, maybe two, above the number of those who were foundJun 26 07:33
CrystalMathit's extremely easy and worthwhile to hide the virus if you're not in dangerJun 26 07:33
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schestowitzyou're referring to a study from NYC/NYC, where many died get it, get tested for it, and many died without being tested at all (hence not accounted for)Jun 26 07:43
schestowitzGood luck telling South Korea of Norway that there are loads of people there with covid-19 who don't know about itJun 26 07:43
schestowitz*orJun 26 07:43
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oiaohmschestowitz: really we are having a horrible learning curve with covid-19.    Australia is moving on to a new method. 26 08:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Australia to test sewage for coronavirus as testing net widens - ABC NewsJun 26 08:39
oiaohmMajor cities you want to test and locate covid how many people are not using the cities sewage system.Jun 26 08:40
schestowitzthis is from AptilJun 26 09:02
schestowitzAprilJun 26 09:02
schestowitzStill valid?Jun 26 09:02
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oiaohmschestowitz: yes that April one is valid.   They are moving on to area blitz testing of course not repeating exactly all the details how they decide where to biltz test.Jun 26 12:04
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schestowitzoiaohm: OK, cheersJun 26 12:57
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scientesMinceR, geniusJun 26 15:03
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XRevan86The next macOS will be 11.0. Huh.Jun 26 17:52
XRevan86Is it because of ARM?Jun 26 17:55
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CrystalMath <- nice!Jun 26 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Burning the House That Richard Stallman (RMS) Built: An Open Letter to GNU Maintainers Who Opposed RMS | TechrightsJun 26 18:39
CrystalMathi wish there was no hard dependency on the Trump hate trainJun 26 18:42
CrystalMathbut oh wellJun 26 18:43
CrystalMathalso, what is GIAFAM?Jun 26 18:47
MinceRnot everyone who supports free software is a neofascist? what a shocker.Jun 26 18:48
CrystalMathwell we disagree on whose side Trump isJun 26 18:48
MinceRof courseJun 26 18:48
CrystalMathi believe Trump is fighting the greatest fascistsJun 26 18:48
CrystalMathwhich are represented by BidenJun 26 18:48
CrystalMaththe globalistsJun 26 18:48
MinceRsome people believe trump is on the side of the people whom he regularly idolizesJun 26 18:48
MinceRothers believe those are the only times when he liesJun 26 18:49
MinceRor maybe he's just kiddingJun 26 18:49
CrystalMathTrump isn't a globalist thuoghJun 26 18:49
CrystalMathand globalism is the greatest threatJun 26 18:49
MinceRyeah, neither are the other neofascistsJun 26 18:49
CrystalMaththere is no greater fascism than globalismJun 26 18:49
CrystalMathnothing is more disgusting, nor vileJun 26 18:49
MinceR"no, you are the fascists!"Jun 26 18:49
*MinceR yawnsJun 26 18:50
XRevan86CrystalMath: What is globalism?Jun 26 18:50
MinceRdon't expect to find out, everJun 26 18:50
CrystalMaththe belief in a global system of law, justice, defense, etc...Jun 26 18:50
CrystalMathi believe in actual freedom, individual freedomJun 26 18:51
MinceRah yes, actual individual freedom, as seen in dump's favorite places, north korea and russiaJun 26 18:52
CrystalMathor in Biden's china?Jun 26 18:53
CrystalMathor maybe biden's ukraine?Jun 26 18:53
CrystalMathindividual freedoms are not achieved by having a strong unified state, but by being decentralizedJun 26 18:53
XRevan86The European Court of Human Rights keeps finding local Russian rulings illegal, that is very annoying.Jun 26 18:53
XRevan86We don't believe in Human Rights, we believe in Sovereignty!Jun 26 18:54
XRevan86With Putin as Sovereign, of course.Jun 26 18:54
CrystalMaththe european court of bullcrap and propagandaJun 26 18:54
CrystalMaththe entire european union is trashJun 26 18:54
CrystalMathwhy do you think FSFE behaves the way they did?Jun 26 18:55
MinceRbiden owns china now?Jun 26 18:55
MinceRvery interestingJun 26 18:55
CrystalMathno, biden's favorite is chinaJun 26 18:55
CrystalMathand ukraineJun 26 18:55
XRevan86It's really hard to appeal to it, they're pretty overwhelmed and annoyed by how Russia pisses on their judgement.Jun 26 18:55
MinceRalso, i didn't know russia and north korea were decentralizedJun 26 18:55
CrystalMathrussia sorta isJun 26 18:55
MinceRah, so biden being evil magically turns trump into a good personJun 26 18:56
MinceRit's funny how things work in the two-party universeJun 26 18:56
CrystalMathbut there is a lesser of two evilsJun 26 18:56
CrystalMathit's not bidenJun 26 18:56
CrystalMathbiden is behind the entire 90s american establishmentJun 26 18:56
XRevan86if it's not biden and it's not trump…Jun 26 18:56
CrystalMaththey invented SJWsJun 26 18:56
MinceRthe 90s american establishment didn't fuck things up as hard as trump didJun 26 18:56
CrystalMathyes they didJun 26 18:56
CrystalMaththey were the worstJun 26 18:56
CrystalMathhow many wars did Trump start?Jun 26 18:57
CrystalMathwhat's the net number of soldiers deployed/returned, Trump vs. Clinton?Jun 26 18:57
MinceRhow many people died because of trump?Jun 26 18:58
CrystalMathbasically nobodyJun 26 18:58
MinceR[citation needed]Jun 26 18:58
CrystalMathokay what's your number?Jun 26 18:58
MinceRi don't have a number, but it's probably a lotJun 26 18:58
CrystalMathbased on what?Jun 26 18:58
MinceRconsidering how he "handled" the current plagueJun 26 18:58
CrystalMaththe current cold?Jun 26 18:59
MinceRno, not the coldJun 26 18:59
CrystalMathyes, the common cold known as COVID-19?Jun 26 18:59
XRevan86Didn't Trump threaten DPRK with war?Jun 26 18:59
MinceRis that the new name of COVID-19 then?Jun 26 18:59
CrystalMathTrump was the first president in a long time to go to NK and make dealsJun 26 18:59
CrystalMathhe didn't handle the iranian thing very well, thoughJun 26 19:00
CrystalMaththis is because of his flaw - he's one of the religion-brainwashed americans who love israelJun 26 19:00
XRevan86Didn't he give Palestine a kick?Jun 26 19:00
CrystalMathyes :(Jun 26 19:00
CrystalMathan atheist version of Trump would be much betterJun 26 19:01
CrystalMathMinceR: anyway, you know my opinion on viruses, people dying is naturalJun 26 19:01
XRevan86the most smartest and atheististJun 26 19:01
MinceRwell, then let's kill them allJun 26 19:01
MinceRit's only naturalJun 26 19:01
CrystalMathit is, but let's not :)Jun 26 19:01
CrystalMathi think there is something in betweenJun 26 19:02
CrystalMathwanting to kill everyoneJun 26 19:02
CrystalMathand wanting to save everyoneJun 26 19:02
CrystalMathand that's just letting individuals decide for themselvesJun 26 19:02
XRevan86Is it natural to grab more and more new viruses from other animals?Jun 26 19:02
CrystalMathyewsJun 26 19:02
CrystalMath*yesJun 26 19:02
XRevan86it's like saying farming is naturalJun 26 19:02
CrystalMathlook, this isn't the first time a coronavirus went from bats to civets to humansJun 26 19:02
CrystalMathit happens all the timeJun 26 19:02
MinceRyeah, letting individuals decide that they want to live in a christian fundamentalist totalitarian dictatorshipJun 26 19:02
CrystalMathand whenever that happens some people dieJun 26 19:02
MinceRcivets?Jun 26 19:03
CrystalMaththat's just lifeJun 26 19:03
MinceRyeah, and when you inject bleach into people, they dieJun 26 19:03
MinceRand that too is just lifeJun 26 19:03
CrystalMathwhen people inject bleach into themselves, they dieJun 26 19:03
CrystalMathand that is just lifeJun 26 19:03
CrystalMathwho knows what their motives wereJun 26 19:03
CrystalMathwe can't treat people like childrenJun 26 19:03
CrystalMaththey're adultsJun 26 19:03
MinceRthat would be a nice ideaJun 26 19:03
CrystalMaththeir life is their responsibilityJun 26 19:03
MinceRif we finally stopped treating people like childrenJun 26 19:04
MinceRand abolished the stateJun 26 19:04
MinceRand let people like trump take their beloved religions and apply it to themselvesJun 26 19:04
CrystalMathwell now it seems like we're on the same pageJun 26 19:04
CrystalMathbut, we see Trump differentlyJun 26 19:04
CrystalMaththough i can see your point of viewJun 26 19:04
CrystalMathTrump isn't very good for usJun 26 19:05
XRevan86I have one question I'm curious about: is there a record of someone mourning a loss of a person who injected bleach into themselves after seeing Trump?Jun 26 19:05
XRevan86I mean, are those intellectuals missed?Jun 26 19:05
MinceRlolJun 26 19:05
CrystalMathXRevan86: people did drink it, but survivedJun 26 19:05
MinceRwell, if you follow that thoughtJun 26 19:05
CrystalMathlife doesn't give up so easilyJun 26 19:05
MinceRyou'll find that most people are idiotsJun 26 19:05
MinceRand so people dying in general is an improvementJun 26 19:05
CrystalMathwhatever form of life gave up easily is gone by nowJun 26 19:06
CrystalMaththanks to evolutionJun 26 19:06
CrystalMaththat's why we're strong and can survive even drinking some bleach, though it's certainly not goodJun 26 19:06
XRevan86MinceR: Everyone's an idiot one way or another.Jun 26 19:06
MinceRthanks to humans evolving, all life on earth may die out prematurelyJun 26 19:06
XRevan86MinceR: But there's a certain threshold…Jun 26 19:06
MinceRXRevan86: [citation needed]Jun 26 19:06
CrystalMathMinceR: it won't give up just yetJun 26 19:06
CrystalMathnot even with a much hotter earthJun 26 19:06
MinceRit doesn't have toJun 26 19:07
MinceRwe've given our religious zealots such wonderful toolsJun 26 19:07
MinceRlike nuclear bombsJun 26 19:07
CrystalMathbut even that can't kill everythingJun 26 19:07
MinceRit may cause so much damage that the planet will become inhospitable to lifeJun 26 19:08
CrystalMathhmm, well, try itJun 26 19:09
CrystalMathyou may be surprised how tough life can beJun 26 19:09
CrystalMathbut alsoJun 26 19:10
MinceRthey're tryingJun 26 19:10
CrystalMathdon't forget genes will also try to talk sense into the mindsJun 26 19:10
CrystalMathof those people who can launch the bombsJun 26 19:10
MinceRthe scene is being set for religious and race warsJun 26 19:10
CrystalMathi mean sure it didn't work for Heaven's GateJun 26 19:10
MinceRthose minds have no sense in themJun 26 19:10
MinceRfundamentalism has made sure of thatJun 26 19:10
CrystalMathnor for JonestownJun 26 19:10
CrystalMathbut actually, even in Jonestown, some force was involvedJun 26 19:11
CrystalMathnot everyone drank the koolaid voluntarilyJun 26 19:11
MinceRthe scene is also being set for famines leading to wars for resourcesJun 26 19:11
MinceRand we're also doing global warming, in case those other methods failJun 26 19:11
CrystalMathfamines won't hurt cockroachesJun 26 19:11
CrystalMaththey can feed off the dead humans :PJun 26 19:11
MinceRthe New Dark Ages are also ensuring that we'll be defenseless against external threatsJun 26 19:12
CrystalMathremember i said life not human lifeJun 26 19:12
MinceRremember i said "like nuclear bombs", not "nuclear bombs"Jun 26 19:13
MinceRbiological weapons are also still on the table :>Jun 26 19:13
CrystalMathand tiny organisms get around those greatJun 26 19:13
MinceRmaybe some tiny organisms will survive, and intelligent life will eventually evolve on earthJun 26 19:14
MinceRmaybe the greatest contribution humanity can make is wiping itself out to make room for something intelligent to evolveJun 26 19:14
CrystalMathmaybeJun 26 19:17
CrystalMathwe don't knowJun 26 19:17
CrystalMathlet's leave it to fateJun 26 19:17
CrystalMathdon't worry, be happy :)Jun 26 19:17
MinceRyeahJun 26 19:17
MinceRlet the idiots kill themselves off, who cares about the innocentsJun 26 19:17
CrystalMathi'm thinking of a greater level of not caringJun 26 19:18
CrystalMathi'm saying, live only in the nowJun 26 19:18
CrystalMathonly for todayJun 26 19:18
MinceRi can't do otherwiseJun 26 19:19
MinceRthat's what makes the now "now"Jun 26 19:19
CrystalMathperhaps you don't realize how evil 90s america isJun 26 19:21
CrystalMathit didn't do airstrikes on your hometownJun 26 19:21
CrystalMathit did on mineJun 26 19:21
MinceRperhaps you don't realize how evil neofascists areJun 26 19:21
MinceRbecause Agent Orange is still being held back by the stateJun 26 19:21
CrystalMathi don't think that's the caseJun 26 19:22
MinceRso he can't do to uhmerica what orban is doing to hungary, or what putler is doing to russia, or what erdogan is doing to turkeyJun 26 19:22
CrystalMathi think that's the deceptionJun 26 19:22
CrystalMathTrump famously said one beautiful and smart sentence...Jun 26 19:22
MinceRthe checks and balances are being destroyed, but it still takes a while over thereJun 26 19:22
CrystalMath"they're not after me, they're after you, i'm just in the way"Jun 26 19:22
MinceRridiculousJun 26 19:22
CrystalMathit's the truthJun 26 19:22
CrystalMathglobalists want to create a prison planetJun 26 19:23
MinceRtwitler abusing his power to enrich himself in no way protect me from anythingJun 26 19:23
MinceRyeah, and he expressed his admiration for prison countriesJun 26 19:23
CrystalMathit's really said that the only movement capable of doing something doesn't see it, and doesn't understand why we're constantly being pushed on all sidesJun 26 19:23
CrystalMath*sadJun 26 19:23
CrystalMaththe push is coming from the evil globalistsJun 26 19:24
CrystalMathand from people who are making a big deal from the plandemicJun 26 19:24
CrystalMath*of theJun 26 19:24
MinceRit's really sad that most people believe that the only thing we can do is decide which of 2 evils should be allowed to kill us and wear our skinJun 26 19:24
MinceRand that they believe that everyone else has made a choice and it is different from theirs then it's the biggest evil that one could have possibly doneJun 26 19:25
CrystalMathno i believe that one side will put us into a prison planet where everyone is constantly controlled and watched for "safety" reasons, and the other will create a beautiful free world in which people are born, live, and die as they always haveJun 26 19:25
CrystalMaththere is a sacrifice no matter which side you chooseJun 26 19:25
CrystalMathbut only one retains the dignity of individual human beingsJun 26 19:26
MinceRneither of them will let you be freeJun 26 19:26
CrystalMaththe other crushes it and gives you a long life as a slaveJun 26 19:26
MinceRone of them will eat you if they believe you to be privileged or politically incorrectJun 26 19:26
MinceRthe other will eat you if you refuse to live as they want and believe everything they want you to believeJun 26 19:26
CrystalMaththe politically correct crowd are the globalistsJun 26 19:27
CrystalMaththey are BidenJun 26 19:27
CrystalMathif you vote for biden you are voting for kneeling in front of minoritiesJun 26 19:27
MinceRi don't get to vote in that raceJun 26 19:27
CrystalMathliterally!Jun 26 19:27
CrystalMathbut why would you support the bastion of political correctnessJun 26 19:27
CrystalMaththe designers of all that is badJun 26 19:27
MinceRthe ones i do get to vote in are counted by people who don't care what's on the paperJun 26 19:27
MinceRi don't support the bastion of political correctnesJun 26 19:28
MinceRsJun 26 19:28
MinceRi prefer "more of the same" as before dump to dump himselfJun 26 19:28
CrystalMathyou do whenever you talk crap about Trump while forgiving bidenJun 26 19:28
MinceRthat's bullshit, and it's the flawed thinking i mentioned earlierJun 26 19:28
MinceRand you probably can't get out of it if you don't demolish the two-party systemJun 26 19:28
CrystalMathbut it's as clear as dayJun 26 19:29
MinceRyes, to the believers, everything is clearJun 26 19:29
CrystalMath1) you're not gonna demolish the two party syste...Jun 26 19:29
CrystalMath(systemJun 26 19:29
CrystalMath2) Biden is the one kneeling in front of minoritiesJun 26 19:29
CrystalMath3) Trump says whatever the hell he wantsJun 26 19:29
MinceRand whatever he wants to say is incredibly stupidJun 26 19:29
CrystalMathi mean that's enough for me to believe Trump is the cureJun 26 19:30
CrystalMathmaybe i'm stupidJun 26 19:30
MinceRand as long as he's in that position, it's also the federal policyJun 26 19:30
CrystalMathit could be a very obvious trickJun 26 19:30
CrystalMathbut being desperate i have a suspension of disbelief hereJun 26 19:30
CrystalMathplus, i know one side did an airstrike on my hometown, and the other withdrew troops from SyriaJun 26 19:30
CrystalMathso it's as clear as day to me - the giant douche is better than a turd sandwichJun 26 19:30
MinceRwell, under twitler's opponents, the country i live in was a republic with a market economyJun 26 19:31
MinceRunder his pals, it's a christian fundamentalist totalitarian dictatorship where the dictator's pals get to do businessJun 26 19:31
MinceRand the latter is very similar to what this country was under russian rule, just with a different state religionJun 26 19:32
MinceRand if GoldenDawnald gets his way, that's what the USA will turn into as wellJun 26 19:33
CrystalMathoh, and it'd be great if it the PC crowd wins?Jun 26 19:34
MinceRno, but at least we might still have the tools with which we can remove them from powerJun 26 19:35
CrystalMathhow happy will it be, when america is once again attacking other countries in order to liberate them from patriarchy / racism / their oilJun 26 19:35
CrystalMathwhen white people have to pay a tax because they were born that wayJun 26 19:35
MinceRhow do you know this is biden's program?Jun 26 19:36
MinceRand how do you know he'll be able to implement it until the end of his term?Jun 26 19:36
CrystalMathhave you listened to biden?Jun 26 19:36
MinceRnoJun 26 19:36
CrystalMathhave you seen what's happening?Jun 26 19:36
CrystalMaththey're trying to take down Trump with whatever they canJun 26 19:36
MinceRyesJun 26 19:36
CrystalMathso they can do this evil crapJun 26 19:36
MinceRwell, that's understandableJun 26 19:36
MinceRi'd want to take him down tooJun 26 19:37
CrystalMathi wouldn't with these peopleJun 26 19:37
CrystalMathanywayJun 26 19:37
CrystalMathif you heard bidenJun 26 19:37
CrystalMathyou'd know he has no programJun 26 19:37
CrystalMathhis mind is blankJun 26 19:37
MinceRthat's a good startJun 26 19:37
CrystalMathbut he's firmly under control from the evil globalist eliteJun 26 19:37
CrystalMathhe does everything they sayJun 26 19:38
CrystalMathjust look at him speakJun 26 19:38
CrystalMathhe's like an AI generating random globalist propagandaJun 26 19:38
CrystalMath"150 million americans were killed by guns alone"Jun 26 19:38
MinceRalso, why do you let the DNC routinely cheat at their own primaries?Jun 26 19:38
CrystalMathwell i can't stop them :PJun 26 19:38
MinceRwell, anyway, biden and trump make a pretty good case for anarchismJun 26 19:40
MinceRalso, if that fascist, zealous idiot would by some mistake do something good, i still wouldn't be a fan of himJun 26 19:50
MinceRaccidents happenJun 26 19:50
MinceRand horrible people are still horrible peopleJun 26 19:50
kingoffranceyeah, trump will censor people in the name of "not fundamentalist" just like the "PC" peopleJun 26 19:55
kingoffrancetwo sides of the same coinJun 26 19:55
kingoffrancethere is corporate supporters of BLM/antifa/etc.   and corporate people on wall street supporting trump and .... thats about itJun 26 19:56
MinceR"Patriotic Correctness"Jun 26 19:57
kingoffranceralph nader was right, 2 corporate partiesJun 26 19:57
kingoffranceyupJun 26 19:57
kingoffrance"parties" arent officially anything...its just private/voluntary, delegating to proxies .... electors dont have to vote party lines, they just "voluntarily" (read: are payed to) do soJun 26 20:01
kingoffrancecalling it a "system" is the problemJun 26 20:01
kingoffranceits notJun 26 20:01
kingoffranceit never wasJun 26 20:01
kingoffrancethey branched off from jefferson democratic republicans IIRCJun 26 20:01
kingoffrancewhich was federalists versus non-fedsJun 26 20:01
kingoffrance"if i had to join a political party to get into heaven, id rather not go to heaven" thomas jeffersonJun 26 20:01
kingoffrancelolJun 26 20:01
MinceRthe system is what makes it impossible for anyone else to winJun 26 20:02
kingoffranceyou should ask the bar why they have partiesJun 26 20:02
kingoffrancethey would be the likely reasonJun 26 20:02
kingoffranceand the banksJun 26 20:02
kingoffranceanything else is distraction IMOJun 26 20:02
kingoffrancethey never were "part of the system"Jun 26 20:02
kingoffrancethey are a "voluntary" extensionJun 26 20:02
kingoffrancesame as ucc, same as bar some people claim, medieval guilds it has been said is the root of thisJun 26 20:03
kingoffrancesame as frnsJun 26 20:03
kingoffrance"private" people granted "public" monopoliesJun 26 20:03
kingoffrancenone of them are "part of the system" they have weaseled their way iJun 26 20:04
kingoffrances/i/inJun 26 20:04
kingoffrancethey have displaced "the system" regulatory capture what have youJun 26 20:04
MinceRwith a different systemJun 26 20:04
kingoffranceyesJun 26 20:04
kingoffrancei dont expect people to go back to farming out in the sticksJun 26 20:04
kingoffrancebut this is the big problem: almost everything going on is not part of the system, but "voluntary" optional things so ingrained you cant avoid themJun 26 20:05
kingoffrancelike microsoft in the schoolsJun 26 20:05
kingoffranceits all "voluntary"Jun 26 20:05
MinceRschools "voluntarily" accepting corruption from microshitJun 26 20:05 will have a hard time finding finding a school that doesnt "volunteer" to mandate themJun 26 20:05
kingoffranceyupJun 26 20:05
MinceRpossibly because they're underfunded and they don't care about their professions anymoreJun 26 20:06
kingoffrancewell courts too etc.Jun 26 20:08
kingoffranceas techright pointed out with patent stuff i guessJun 26 20:08
MinceR(audio:important) 26 20:19
kingoffrancewhenever they say "public" in america, you can almost always trace it back to when it was some private group and they got their claws in to some exalted statusJun 26 20:32
kingoffrancethat is the pattern i seeJun 26 20:32
schestowitzMinceR: that's a  gas!Jun 26 20:42
kingoffrancei saw a thing that was "summary" circa 1960s of one of the "council of state governors" type thing, or what have you, an aide reporting back to kennedy what was noted it was mostly just idle talk, all "off the record" ......there are all these little private clubs where decisions are made "off the record" then maybe they have a "public debate" with open minutes,   such is "transparency" ....its gone on a long timeJun 26 20:42
kingoffrancethey *like* to have all these little private clubs where they can discuss "off the record"Jun 26 20:42
schestowitz[18:50] <XRevan86> CrystalMath: What is globalism?Jun 26 20:43
schestowitzWhat Trump doesJun 26 20:43
CrystalMathschestowitz: but then why do the people who want global technofascism hate Trump? (besides you guys who also hate Trump but i don't know why)Jun 26 20:43
schestowitzMany people hate TrumpJun 26 20:44
schestowitzHe's corrupt, he's racist, he abolishes the rule of law and human decencyJun 26 20:44
kingoffrancethen *after* they have discusssed in private, you will see "public legislation" Jun 26 20:44
schestowitz(and you're not in the US)Jun 26 20:44
schestowitzso maybe you want the US to become the basketcase it is, for your own amusementJun 26 20:44
MinceRCrystalMath: apparently most people want authoritarianism everywhere but we have two slightly different tribes that hate each other and use slightly different symbolsJun 26 20:45
CrystalMathschestowitz: i just don't want global technofascismJun 26 20:46
MinceRthen twitler is not your friendJun 26 20:46
CrystalMathit is possible that one may need something unpopular, like an anti-science movement, to stop technofascismJun 26 20:46
CrystalMathas Ted Kaczynski saidJun 26 20:46
MinceRwell, we do have an anti-science movementJun 26 20:46
MinceRbut it's still authoritarianJun 26 20:46
CrystalMathwell if it destroys science and technology, and leads to its abandonmentJun 26 20:47
CrystalMathwe can be saveadJun 26 20:47
CrystalMathb*savedJun 26 20:47
CrystalMath*before they put chips into your brainJun 26 20:47
MinceRand anything that opposes authoritarianism is already unpopularJun 26 20:47
MinceRno, if we destroy science and technology, we doom ourselves to extinctinJun 26 20:47
MinceRs/tin/tion/Jun 26 20:47
MinceRwhen the Sun goes red giant or soonerJun 26 20:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Tiny solder-down module and eval kit run Linux on an STM32MP1 []Jun 26 20:48
CrystalMathMinceR: really? you're thinking that far ahead?Jun 26 20:49
CrystalMathplease don'tJun 26 20:49
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Jun 26 20:49
CrystalMathevery good thing must come to an endJun 26 20:49
CrystalMatheven the human raceJun 26 20:49
CrystalMathit'll happen one dayJun 26 20:49
MinceRa good thing can't come to an end if it doesn't startJun 26 20:49
CrystalMathdon't fear the reaperJun 26 20:49
MinceRthere's very little good about humansJun 26 20:49
MinceRand it's going awayJun 26 20:49
CrystalMathbecause of science and technologyJun 26 20:50
MinceRno, much of that _is_ science and technologyJun 26 20:51
CrystalMathnopeJun 26 20:51
MinceRalso, what's a follower of kaczynski doing on IRC?Jun 26 20:51
CrystalMathpeople can't really be happy without their individual dignityJun 26 20:51
MinceRpeople generally don't have dignityJun 26 20:51
CrystalMathyes they doJun 26 20:51
CrystalMathi have a channel ##technophobiaJun 26 20:52
CrystalMathbut it's empty ofcJun 26 20:52
MinceRlolJun 26 20:52
CrystalMathas the topic saysJun 26 20:52
CrystalMath"Most of us seem to not use IRC. Go figure."Jun 26 20:52
CrystalMathi think?Jun 26 20:53
CrystalMathyeah something like thatJun 26 20:53
kingoffrancescience will never admit alchemy because then it becomes superstition/religion as their roots, religion will never admit science because then they can be accused of technologically creating their beliefs......i keep waiting for any pro or anti-vaxer to say "thats just alchemy!" but it never happens, there is this artificial split in the modern world.....i say that not because i wish to see science and religion merged falsely, buJun 26 20:54
kingoffrancet like the 2 parties, just another what is arguably an artificial split IMO used for political purposesJun 26 20:54
kingoffranceanyways, im skeptical of pro or anti-science, because i think thats just another false divide (historically)Jun 26 20:55
CrystalMathyeahJun 26 20:55
CrystalMathsome science is alrightJun 26 20:55
CrystalMatheven Kaczynski said soJun 26 20:55
MinceRhow can be pro-X and anti-X be a false divide?Jun 26 20:55
MinceRis it its own opposite, like a photon?Jun 26 20:55
CrystalMathas long as it's not something that requires or causes massive organizationJun 26 20:55
CrystalMathit should be okayJun 26 20:56
CrystalMathbut IRC does...Jun 26 20:56
CrystalMathso IRC is technically evilJun 26 20:56
MinceRwhere's the massive organization in IRC?Jun 26 20:56
CrystalMathall communication services areJun 26 20:56
CrystalMathand transportJun 26 20:56
MinceRthat's bullshitJun 26 20:56
MinceRa lot of our technology is distributedJun 26 20:56
CrystalMathyes but we have to organize and create a division of laborJun 26 20:56
CrystalMathto have the internetJun 26 20:56
MinceRnot reallyJun 26 20:57
MinceRwe just need to interconnect neighboring networksJun 26 20:57
MinceRalso, organization is not in conflict with dignityJun 26 21:01
MinceRhierarchy isJun 26 21:01
MinceRwhich is not necessary for organizationJun 26 21:01
CrystalMathit's not dignified to eat pre-chewed foodJun 26 21:02
MinceRthen don't?Jun 26 21:02
MinceRwho even does that?Jun 26 21:02
CrystalMathwell think of the equivalentJun 26 21:02
CrystalMathevery time you open a packet of somethingJun 26 21:02
CrystalMathwhich you didn't makeJun 26 21:02
CrystalMathit has been pre-processed for youJun 26 21:03
MinceRthere's no equivalentJun 26 21:03
CrystalMathyou need to be able to make everything yourself from scratchJun 26 21:03
MinceRwhen someone does something they're good at, and trade the result for the fruits of someone else's labor, there's nothing undignified about itJun 26 21:03
CrystalMathtbh this is why i insist on simple softwareJun 26 21:03
CrystalMathbecause it has to be simple enough for a reasonably good programmer to rewrite from scratchJun 26 21:03
MinceRi don't need to, but it's nice to be able toJun 26 21:03
CrystalMathit's not just nice, if you can't it can be a disasterJun 26 21:04
CrystalMathand society does things to forbid you from separating yourself from itJun 26 21:04
CrystalMathmuch like systemd dependenciesJun 26 21:04
MinceRwith technological development, we could eventually ensure that all human science and technology is available to us, personallyJun 26 21:04
CrystalMath"most people work like this so you should be forced to be like the rest"Jun 26 21:04
CrystalMaththis is the horror of society ^Jun 26 21:04
MinceRthat sucks, but that is not technologyJun 26 21:05
MinceRsystemd itself was invented to restrict people's freedomJun 26 21:05
CrystalMathand why society needs to be cut down and restricted by mandatory individualismJun 26 21:05
CrystalMaththat is, there must be lines that cannot be crossedJun 26 21:05
MinceRi'm not sure how you can enforce mandatory individualismJun 26 21:05
MinceRby its very nature, individual leaves decisions to the individualJun 26 21:05
CrystalMathby restricting what society is allowed to make publicJun 26 21:05
CrystalMathand everything else MUST be privateJun 26 21:06
CrystalMathaka, minarchismJun 26 21:06
kingoffrance@MinceR false divide between science and religion i mean   i.e. evil liberal technocracy  versus   good god-fearing natural rightsJun 26 21:09
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MinceRwell yeah, that is wrongJun 26 21:09
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kingoffrancealchemy was supposoed to be all "imitate nature" as wellJun 26 21:09
MinceRit's actually evil mind-destroying religion vs good liberating understanding of realityJun 26 21:09
kingoffranceso ...ignore the religion/god thing,   that was the "science" of the timeJun 26 21:09
kingoffranceit was "work with nature" instead of against itJun 26 21:10
kingoffrancethey werent environmentalists perhaps, but if you were trying to technologically control nature, you would be "doing it wrong"Jun 26 21:11
kingoffranceand "doomed to failure"Jun 26 21:11
kingoffrancei suppose you had to know how things *were* not "how we would like to dictate they should be" i guessJun 26 21:14
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: looks like Trumpland is set to break another record for new cases/dayJun 26 21:54
schestowitz[20:46] <CrystalMath> as Ted Kaczynski saidJun 26 21:55
schestowitzLOL, when you uphold Unabomber, a terrorist, as a sort of yardstick for wisdomJun 26 21:55
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schestowitzMaybe this weekend we'll have some of the "Hitler did nothing wrong" and "Hans Reiser did nothing wrong" crown, too...Jun 26 21:58
CrystalMathwell calling him a terrorist when talking about his research paper is an ad hominemJun 26 22:01
CrystalMathyou also have to disprove the ideas, not just call him out for stuff he didJun 26 22:01
MinceRpoor hitler didn't know all he had to do was write a "research paper"Jun 26 22:07
XRevan86Are you talking about the new Putin's "research paper"?Jun 26 22:08
MinceRno, a different kaczynskiJun 26 22:09
MinceRthe unabomberJun 26 22:09
schestowitzhe literally bombed peopleJun 26 22:11
schestowitzfor just being intellectuals or heads of companiesJun 26 22:11
schestowitzbut the cargo cult lives onJun 26 22:12
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DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "DaemonFC: looks like Trumpland i"> You know it wouldn't be this bad if they would just stop testing people.Jun 26 22:51
DaemonFC[m]:)Jun 26 22:51
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DaemonFC[m]You know, it's comforting to know that our country is having elections where the voting bloc who is too stupid to understand how a battering ram works is playing off the virus.Jun 26 22:55
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: 42k+ nowJun 26 23:37
schestowitzand it's not even midnight hereJun 26 23:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | United States Coronavirus: 2,547,365 Cases and 127,361 Deaths - WorldometerJun 26 23:37
schestowitzby stateJun 26 23:37
schestowitzyou would know better which ones are now red and blueJun 26 23:37
schestowitzI lost trackJun 26 23:37
schestowitzFL +8,942 Jun 26 23:37
schestowitzold 'conservative' folks voted GOPJun 26 23:38
schestowitzafter the butterfly ballots and allJun 26 23:38
schestowitznow they will get illJun 26 23:38
schestowitz"For the economy..."Jun 26 23:38
schestowitzFL deaths:Jun 26 23:39
schestowitz3,366Jun 26 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Florida is getting away from Trump.Jun 26 23:39
schestowitzGermany 9,026 Jun 26 23:39
DaemonFC[m]It's been polling 3-4 points on Biden's side consistently since late April.Jun 26 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Wisconsin is probably a lost cause for Trump.Jun 26 23:39
DaemonFC[m]Michigan is definitely finished with him.Jun 26 23:39
schestowitzSweden 9,026 Jun 26 23:39
schestowitzanother 50 dead todayJun 26 23:39
DaemonFC[m]So is Pennsylvania.Jun 26 23:40
schestowitzfor 10 million of so in populationJun 26 23:40
schestowitzmultiple by 35 to see what it is compared to USJun 26 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Virginia threw out pretty much all the Republicans at the state level and voted for Obama and Clinton.Jun 26 23:40
schestowitz1700 ish?Jun 26 23:40
DaemonFC[m]So no dice there.Jun 26 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Texas is a tie.Jun 26 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Arizona is about 3-4 points towards Biden in the polls.Jun 26 23:40
DaemonFC[m]Ohio and Iowa could go either way, but are about 1-2 points towards Trump right now.Jun 26 23:41
DaemonFC[m]Georgia and North Carolina 1-2 points towards Biden and could go either way.Jun 26 23:41
DaemonFC[m]I'd say Trump is defending too many states and can't possibly win all of them.Jun 26 23:41
DaemonFC[m]If the election happened now he'd lose. Short of the virus disappearing and everyone going back to work pronto, he'll lose.Jun 26 23:42
DaemonFC[m]There's still months left for the virus to rage on killing old voters, and he's underwater with them too right now, by 3 points.Jun 26 23:42
DaemonFC[m]Even though it's his best polling group still.Jun 26 23:43
DaemonFC[m]It's not like the country want Biden in particular.Jun 26 23:43
DaemonFC[m]It's that Trump has failed so spectacularly that a large segment of the Republican Party has had quite enough of this and will vote for Biden.Jun 26 23:43
DaemonFC[m]2018 sort of foreshadowed this in the suburbs and in light of recent events, I doubt they like Trump more now than they did then.Jun 26 23:44
XRevan86It's almost like the "lesser evil" is not Trump Jun 26 23:44
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schestowitzthis is still awfulJun 26 23:48
schestowitzbecause they end up with two rather badsJun 26 23:48
schestowitzand then they will rejoice a badJun 26 23:48
schestowitzwhich is, I suppose, what the country's oligarchs wanted anywayJun 26 23:49
schestowitzI am still trying to help my country hereJun 26 23:49
schestowitzwe're less hopeless than the USJun 26 23:49
schestowitzone big issue is the push to privatise our health systemJun 26 23:49
schestowitzit's not irreversible just yetJun 26 23:50
schestowitzrianne was at the stores today, said they were quite emptyJun 26 23:50
schestowitzand promises of many SALES and DIsCOUNTS were also empty (which is what I had also noticed)Jun 26 23:50
schestowitzsome people frame this as 'online shopping' versus 'physical shops'Jun 26 23:51
schestowitzbut I think it overlooks what is really happeningJun 26 23:51
schestowitzpeople out of workJun 26 23:51
schestowitzand those still working having low work security or a sense of 'consumer confidence'Jun 26 23:51
MinceRthe UK will probably fall apartJun 26 23:52
schestowitzso people not focus on essentials, and that necessarily means lower supply and demand, so this whole system of endless expansion, backed by growing loans, is not collapsingJun 26 23:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | SNP MP calls for ‘Plan B’ which could lead to Scotland declaring independence without referendum | The New EuropeanJun 26 23:52
schestowitzthe market just isn't constantly "growing"Jun 26 23:52
schestowitz*not>nowJun 26 23:52
schestowitzMinceR: seems inevitableJun 26 23:52
schestowitzScotland has lots to offer and is less densely populatedJun 26 23:52
schestowitzthe imperial England is languishing, so not much compelling beef for Scotland to stay in this union of Westminster, they might even want to bond with Scandinavia is not EUJun 26 23:53
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MinceRwell, last time they wanted to be EU membersJun 26 23:56
MinceRso pigfucker told them if they leave the UK, they'll have trouble rejoining the EUJun 26 23:56
MinceRand then pigfucker maneuvered the UK out of the EUJun 26 23:56
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