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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I got my discharge order.Aug 26 00:01
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DaemonFC[m]No more debts from before May 26th.Aug 26 00:09
smnthermeshttps://brave.com/webbundles-harmful-to-content-blocking-security-tools-and-the-open-web/Aug 26 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-brave.com | WebBundles Harmful to Content Blocking, Security Tools, and the Open Web (Standards Updates #2)Aug 26 00:23
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, Google has been using Chrome to govern the web by decree instead of using a standardization process.Aug 26 00:29
DaemonFC[m]We've been down this road a few times now.Aug 26 00:29
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DaemonFC[m]Each time it gets nastier.Aug 26 00:29
DaemonFC[m]Internet Explorer rendered markup. Microsoft did nasty things with it, but I'm seeing proposals for Chrome that are worse, and you can't really even call them proposals, because they're more like some shitty idea Google puts in without even testing or planning for the specification.Aug 26 00:30
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.nwherald.com/2020/07/28/letter-beware-of-illinois-fair-tax-proposal/ah3s6iz/Aug 26 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Well, the funny part is that there's two ways to pass an amendment that's on a ballot in Illinois.Aug 26 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nwherald.com | Letter: Beware of Illinois “fair tax" proposal | Northwest HeraldAug 26 01:49
DaemonFC[m]60% of the people voting on the amendment itself, or half the people voting in the election.Aug 26 01:49
DaemonFC[m]Putting it on the ballot in the presidential year means that more people will be voting, and many of them will be so poorly informed that they won't know what it does.Aug 26 01:50
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schestowitz> -------- Forwarded Message --------Aug 26 03:02
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schestowitz> Subject: On coverage of Abbelbaum being "banned" from DebianAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 09:34:50 +0200Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> From: Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> To: andrew.matler@itwire.comAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Dear Editor in Chief of iTWire,Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> you may want to do something about this article by Sam Varghese onAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Debian revoking membership of Jacop Appelbaum:Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/73441-appelbaum-banned-from-debian-events-after-sexual-misconduct-charges.htmlAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> While the first part is factually correct in its DPL quote, the articleAug 26 03:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Appelbaum banned from Debian events after sexual misconduct chargesAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> ends with baseless hints of Debian and Tor having fallen victims toAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> manipulations by GCHQ psyops.Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
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schestowitz> I consider that to be psycological violence[1] against the various wellAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> known people who came out to report abuse, and I wish that news coverageAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> about this situation could rather contribute to creating a communityAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> that encourages victims of abuse to speak up.Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Quoting the DPL again, "In reaching their decision, the Debian AccountAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Managers took into account the public disclosures from members of theAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Tor project and others, and first-hand accounts from members of theAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Debian community."Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> We are not talking about vague rumors spread by a couple ofAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> infiltrators, we are talking about first-person accounts provided byAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> well known and respected members of both communities, with a trackAug 26 03:02
schestowitz> record of contributions of many years.Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> These people who had the guts to speak up deserve credit and respect,Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> and the article published on your site gives them none.Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:02
schestowitz> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GaslightingAug 26 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Gaslighting - WikipediaAug 26 03:03
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:03
schestowitz> Regards,Aug 26 03:03
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:03
schestowitz> EnricoAug 26 03:03
schestowitz> Aug 26 03:03
schestowitz> -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico ZiniAug 26 03:03
schestowitz> <enrico@enricozini.org>Aug 26 03:03
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schestowitzthe falsified Appelbaum evidenceAug 26 03:14
schestowitz https://danielpocock.com/debian-falsified-harassment-claims-appelbaum-expulsion/Aug 26 03:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Debian falsified harassment claims in Appelbaum expulsion | DanielPocock.comAug 26 03:14
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DaemonFC[m]https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/25/business/smucker-sales-pbj-coffee/index.htmlAug 26 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Smucker's sales climb as Americans turn to frozen PB&Js and coffee - CNNAug 26 05:36
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I remember working in the frozen area of Walmart when these damned things came out and I said, "Who the hell needs frozen peanut butter and jelly for $3.98?". They're $4.97 now, but.....Aug 26 05:36
DaemonFC[m]"Sales of pet food spiked this spring as people pantry-loaded to ensure their furry friends wouldn't be without sustenance. As expected, those sales fell as purchases tapered off."Aug 26 05:38
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, I panicked and bought two extra 26 pound bags of cat food.Aug 26 05:38
DaemonFC[m]And like 160 pounds of litter.Aug 26 05:39
DaemonFC[m]I was worried that after people wiped out the food, they'd eventually remember they had pets.Aug 26 05:39
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Toilet paper is still pretty picked over.Aug 26 05:39
DaemonFC[m]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/08/24/linux-has-a-hardware-problem-and-we-need-to-solve-it/Aug 26 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Linux Has A Hardware Problem And We Need To Solve ItAug 26 06:02
DaemonFC[m]"I’m testing the Fedora-powered ThinkPad P53, and caught a rather serious bug that was preventing the proprietary Nvidia driver from being installed. Look folks, neither Fedora nor Lenovo caught this before shipping it. Some things simply slip through the cracks and that’s ok. I emailed Lenovo’s Linux team, we got it filed on Bugzilla, and the problem was resolved in no time."Aug 26 06:03
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, meanwhile real bugs go unsolved and piling up indefinitely while they fix Nvidia crap.Aug 26 06:03
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liberty_box_https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53901310Aug 26 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk | No plan for a return to the office for millions of staff - BBC NewsAug 26 06:45
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zoobabI have asked the German Presidency to confirm the UPC is on the agendaAug 26 09:10
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schestowitzwhich agenda?Aug 26 09:15
schestowitzin general, zoobab?Aug 26 09:15
schestowitzx https://builtin.com/software-engineering-perspectives/ethical-source-hippocratic-licenseAug 26 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-builtin.com | Is Your Open-Source Code Fueling Human Rights Abuses?Aug 26 09:19
schestowitz=Aug 26 09:20
schestowitzhttps://thehill.com/homenews/news/513631-judge-denies-ghislaine-maxwell-to-move-into-general-prison-populationAug 26 09:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Judge denies Ghislaine Maxwell's bid to move into general prison population | TheHillAug 26 09:20
zoobabthe agenda of the CouncilAug 26 09:24
zoobabPresidency of the EU controls the agendaAug 26 09:24
schestowitzLadson?Aug 26 09:29
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2019/12/21/albrecht-ladson-von-der-leyen/Aug 26 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Understanding Thierry Breton: Little Miss Ladson Goes to Brussels | TechrightsAug 26 09:29
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zoobabIt's more Merkel setting the agenda hereAug 26 09:41
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schestowitzhttps://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-unix-test-disk-performance-with-dd-command/Aug 26 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | Linux and Unix Test Disk I/O Performance With dd Command - nixCraftAug 26 09:50
schestowitzzoobab: the de gov has a lot of clout over eu policyAug 26 09:50
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zoobabMerkel negociated the removal of art6+8 (referral to the CJEU on points of law) with Cameron back in 2012Aug 26 10:03
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scientesEurope is something that doesn't existAug 26 12:04
scienteslook at what happened with this manufactured "pandemic"Aug 26 12:05
scientesit isn't even a continentAug 26 12:05
pav5088A friend lost a mother and a grandfather to covidAug 26 12:05
pav5088(a couple of weeks ago)Aug 26 12:06
scientesmy dog also has a coronaAug 26 12:06
pav5088my partners sisters father in law got it also...   but he survived worse luck  ;)Aug 26 12:07
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schestowitz[12:05] <scientes> look at what happened with this manufactured "pandemic"Aug 26 14:22
schestowitzmanufactured?Aug 26 14:22
schestowitzWhere can I order?Aug 26 14:22
schestowitzdo they ship?Aug 26 14:22
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XRevan86ship, plane, etc.Aug 26 14:26
*psydread would prefer a missileAug 26 14:29
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schestowitzhttps://thegrayzone.com/2020/08/24/state-department-china-cold-war/Aug 26 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | US 'left' aligns with State Department on China Cold War | The GrayzoneAug 26 14:34
schestowitzhttps://thegrayzone.com/2020/08/25/etats-unis-liban-sanctions/Aug 26 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | Comment les États-Unis ont poussé le Liban au bord de l'effondrement | The GrayzoneAug 26 14:35
schestowitzhttps://thegrayzone.com/2020/08/26/beirut-blast-israel-hezbollah-ammonium-nitrate-terror-plots/Aug 26 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | After Beirut blast, Israel revives tales of Hezbollah ammonium nitrate terror plots  | The GrayzoneAug 26 14:35
schestowitzThey redid their cmsAug 26 14:35
schestowitzor urlsAug 26 14:36
schestowitzthey work better nowAug 26 14:36
scientesschestowitz, you can order the vaccine from RussiaAug 26 15:00
scientesas typical, if calling people's bluff is not expensive they just go ahead and do itAug 26 15:00
XRevan86Yes, they need new testers, preferrably with anti-shock equipment in close proximityAug 26 15:01
MinceR:>Aug 26 15:01
scienteswhat do you mean by "anti-shock"?Aug 26 15:02
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XRevan86scientes: Dunno, I'm quoting an official recommendation.Aug 26 15:03
psydreadCPR?Aug 26 15:03
scienteswell, then can you be clear about what word you are translating to "shock"Aug 26 15:04
scientesthat work has many meanings in EnglishAug 26 15:04
XRevan86scientes: "шок"Aug 26 15:04
scientes...........Aug 26 15:04
scientesshitAug 26 15:04
XRevan86Противошоковое оборудованиеAug 26 15:04
scientesthat's pretty funnyAug 26 15:04
XRevan86scientes: You're shocked? %)Aug 26 15:06
XRevan86Am I still here?Aug 26 15:09
XRevan86Am I still here?Aug 26 15:09
scientesXRevan86, you are in a state of shockAug 26 15:10
XRevan86Pidgin was, so much it sent the message twiceAug 26 15:10
scientesXRevan86, are you sure it is not a Parrot?Aug 26 15:10
XRevan86Anyway, if I were to guess, I'd say they probably meant Anaphylactic ShockAug 26 15:10
XRevan86Anyway, the naked truth is that the "Russian vaccine" is severely undertested and in that isn't actually ahead of the competition, except maybe in PR and rushing things.Aug 26 15:15
scientesXRevan86, the larger naked truth is that you don't need a vaccine for a single seasonal flu that has already passedAug 26 15:17
scientesbut it is kinda like Chinese face: if the world is worshipping something silly, better to just partake then be left outAug 26 15:18
scienteslike how the Chinese put up wind turbines that were *powered* (rather than producing power)Aug 26 15:18
XRevan86It's springtime, for scientes, and GeorgiaAug 26 15:19
XRevan86Sakartvelo is happy and gayAug 26 15:20
XRevan86Let's have the seasonal flu all year long %)Aug 26 15:22
schestowitz[15:00] <scientes> schestowitz, you can order the vaccine from RussiaAug 26 15:23
schestowitzI got my own right hereAug 26 15:23
schestowitzmostly water with sugarAug 26 15:23
schestowitzit's stronger, it's homeopathicAug 26 15:23
XRevan86schestowitz: How many potency cycles?Aug 26 15:24
schestowitz10Aug 26 15:24
scientesschestowitz, make sure to add some honey and garlicAug 26 15:24
schestowitzdilution by a power of tenAug 26 15:24
schestowitz10 billion times stronger than sputnik vAug 26 15:24
XRevan86schestowitz: don't cycle with sugar though, or it might instant-kill with diabetesAug 26 15:25
schestowitz10 billion, enough for everyoneAug 26 15:25
schestowitzlike 640kb of RAMAug 26 15:25
XRevan86or instant-heal diabetes, one of the twoAug 26 15:25
schestowitzXRevan86: diabetes is a man-invented disease passed by monkeys :-pAug 26 15:26
schestowitzit was designed by moneysAug 26 15:26
XRevan86or maybe both and do nothing :DAug 26 15:26
schestowitzto make bonobos richerAug 26 15:26
schestowitzXRevan86: ancient wisdomAug 26 15:26
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scienteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uifyFUL22PAAug 26 16:21
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scientesschestowitz, a factory can also just be a place where goods are keptAug 26 16:30
scientesso to manufacture would be to create out of nothingAug 26 16:31
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/3TBJL0V.jpgAug 26 16:32
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MinceRhttps://files.catbox.moe/24hzl1.jpgAug 26 18:06
XRevan86Just you wait for the sexagramAug 26 18:07
MinceRkinkyAug 26 18:12
scientesXRevan86, is that the unit of the orgasmatron?Aug 26 18:13
XRevan86https://i.postimg.cc/LsjjcJMn/for-the-future.jpgAug 26 18:14
scientesXRevan86, I like how that is such a easier position than trying to talk about how 5g is stupid technology compared to the breakthrough in turbo codes that enabled 4g (which is the foundation of the hype)Aug 26 18:16
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scientesXRevan86, o moley https://meduza.io/en/cards/cholinesterase-inhibitors-101-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-type-of-poison-used-on-navalnyAug 26 20:27
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scientesso what exactly about him is so threatening?Aug 26 20:28
scientesI've noticed the roboticness of people at confererences in Russia with putinAug 26 20:29
scientes(although nothing approaching the distance of Xi Xinping)Aug 26 20:29
scientesAs the name implies, they stop the enzyme cholinesterase from breaking down acetylcholine.Aug 26 20:29
scientesoh geezeAug 26 20:29
scientesyeah, that will induce a comaAug 26 20:29
XRevan86scientes: About whom? Alexei Navalny?Aug 26 20:30
scientesyesAug 26 20:30
scientesno the roboticness is just russian cultureAug 26 20:31
scienteslike the chinese thing is that you are suppose to criticize yourselfAug 26 20:31
XRevan86scientes: No, United Russia is exceptionally dense.Aug 26 20:31
scientesand the russian thing seems to be that you are suppose to complain about how things are not workingAug 26 20:32
scientesand how lamentable that isAug 26 20:32
scientesXRevan86, but putin is notAug 26 20:32
XRevan86There are two kinds of activities that he and his organisation are doing: exposing corruption in a way that "sells" on YouTube (and sometimes in court) and rallying up on "Smart Voting", which is a hack to give United Russia competition on local FPTP votings (an effective second party, except not actually a party).Aug 26 20:33
scientesI watched Xi's annual speech and the vast majority I did not understand, and the rest was totally bullshit (like using a mean income of china when that is completely irrelevent)Aug 26 20:33
scientesonly median makes any sense, especially when rich people's money is not theirsAug 26 20:34
XRevan86scientes: Putin is a public figure one way or another.Aug 26 20:35
XRevan86Most of his party is just convinient people, charm isn't in their resume.Aug 26 20:35
scientesI just noticed in conversations he has with citizensAug 26 20:35
scientesthere is like this standard thing you are suppose to do when talking to him (and he even does it himself when talking about *former* lawlessness in Chechnya) where you complain about things not working while lamenting thatAug 26 20:36
scientes> That said, there are certain types of especially strong cholinesterase inhibitors that are used as chemical weapons. These include, for example, the synthetic compounds Sarin, VX, and Novichok, which are all classified as nerve agents. Aug 26 20:37
scientesok, that paragraph really says it allAug 26 20:37
XRevan86scientes: Putin's agenda is to make people feel grateful that they're not living in the 90s anymore.Aug 26 20:37
scientesand also revive the corpse of WW2Aug 26 20:37
XRevan86that tactic works to a certain extent, but also backfires with certain irritationAug 26 20:37
scienteshttps://meduza.io/en/news/2020/08/24/omsk-health-officials-maintain-that-navalny-tested-negative-for-poisonAug 26 20:38
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scientesthis is also a level of boldness that really is not civilizedAug 26 20:38
scientesit is clear that *someone* is lying, and yet they are still unwilling to lose face, when it would be both a gain and loss of faceAug 26 20:39
XRevan86The victory in WW2 is a point of national pride, of course he wants to conflate that with himself.Aug 26 20:39
XRevan86And also something revanchism (pun non-intended) can be built onAug 26 20:39
scientesXRevan86, it has also become distant historyAug 26 20:39
XRevan86scientes: Finding living veterans is becoming a problem.Aug 26 20:40
scientesyeah, when I was in London it was something to have WW2 be real--a frenchman that was working on an ISO report mentioned his mother's first-hand account of the Americans after the landing at NormandyAug 26 20:41
scientesin the US that war is hardly real, as only the soldiers were very effected by itAug 26 20:42
scientesthe great depression is the thing that left a impression on the cultureAug 26 20:42
scientes(and also the Japanese)Aug 26 20:42
scientesJapanese US citizensAug 26 20:43
scientesin my home town their land (where they grew raspberries) was stolen and car sales lots were set upAug 26 20:43
scientesbut that is not well-known historyAug 26 20:44
XRevan86scientes: The war was very real where I am, of course, especially because of the Leningrad siege.Aug 26 20:53
scientesWhere I am from there is very little historyAug 26 20:54
scientesand the earliest guy to survey it, John Winthrop, doesn't even have an entry in WikipediaAug 26 20:55
scientesI got why he was written out of the US history (he worked for the Hudson Bay company), but it was suprising he had no entryAug 26 20:55
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scientesits interesting to think that the history of the place I come from is a living historyAug 26 20:57
scientesas in I actually know homesteadersAug 26 20:57
scientesof course people had been living there for a very long timeAug 26 20:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: It's not surprising that Windows and IIS as web servers has rapidly lost market share during the recession.Aug 26 21:02
schestowitzyeahAug 26 21:03
schestowitzgood time to do overdue migrationAug 26 21:03
schestowitzas it's a waste of monbeyAug 26 21:03
DaemonFC[m]Web traffic, and specifically to servers that do work and school from home is up.Aug 26 21:03
schestowitzWindows licence+IISAug 26 21:03
schestowitzand maybe less traffic for businesses either wayAug 26 21:03
DaemonFC[m]When Teams collapsed in the first week it made it clear that even Microsoft can't get their own stuff to work, or to properly load balance.Aug 26 21:03
DaemonFC[m]On the early internet, server-side load balancing wasn't a thing. Everyone opened up Netscape and the first thing it loaded was their website.Aug 26 21:04
DaemonFC[m]So they had like 9 servers with their own unique subdomain and the browser itself was configured to pick one at random each time it started.Aug 26 21:05
DaemonFC[m]It was kind of amusing to read that. Those subdomains are still there. While AOL wouldn't turn over the domain, they did allow Jamie Zawinski to set up an archived version of mcom.comAug 26 21:05
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "Windows licence+IIS"> Yeah, there's a lot of businesses that just leave something in place as long as it works.Aug 26 21:07
DaemonFC[m]I came across Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0 at a place I worked at until 2008.Aug 26 21:07
DaemonFC[m]They never did replace it because they were planning to shut the place down in 2009 and just, the plant manager obviously knew that, but he didn't want employees looking for other jobs and telling people "Don't bother applying there.".Aug 26 21:08
DaemonFC[m]So all they got was the 60 day WARN notice.Aug 26 21:08
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Ruby Tuesday is now laying people off permanently all over America after Trump gave them millions in PPP loans.Aug 26 21:09
DaemonFC[m]The news said over 1/3 of their restaurants were shut down in the past week and they didn't have to warn anyone because there's not enough people working there.Aug 26 21:09
DaemonFC[m]They asked a chef at the Fort Wayne, Indiana store what happened and he said he got to work and they said "We're shutting down but if you want to clock in we'll pay you to help load these moving trucks.".Aug 26 21:10
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, this behavior is not new. A server in Missouri who spoke anonymously says he's worked for the company for 14 years and when they shut down a store they let the manager know at the end of the shift one day and tell him not to notify anyone who works there. So they all show up for work and there's no more job and the store is closed.Aug 26 21:11
schestowitz[21:08] <DaemonFC[m]> So all they got was the 60 day WARN notice.Aug 26 21:12
schestowitzunlike MSFTAug 26 21:12
schestowitzhttps://www.reddit.com/r/NEWPOLITIC/comments/ih3xrc/a_new_tim_schwab_investigative_report_on_bill/Aug 26 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | A New Tim Schwab Investigative Report on Bill Gates’ Bribery of the Media and Beyond : NEWPOLITICAug 26 21:14
schestowitz"He's a total Globalist. Machiavelli would be impressed."\Aug 26 21:14
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I saw a lot of SCO Unixware on green screen terminals.Aug 26 21:44
DaemonFC[m]I always laughed when I flipped the switch and that scrolled by.Aug 26 21:44
DaemonFC[m]it did the job though.Aug 26 21:44
DaemonFC[m]Drive here. Scan and pick that. Drive over there. Scan and pick that.Aug 26 21:45
MinceRwhat scrolled by?Aug 26 21:45
DaemonFC[m]The SCO Unixware name and copyright and BIOS POST.Aug 26 21:45
DaemonFC[m]Then a log in screen.Aug 26 21:46
DaemonFC[m]Flip the switch. While it's booting up, start the forklift and run it through the morning checklist.Aug 26 21:46
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: They were always wondering how I was pulling so many orders. I had my secrets.Aug 26 21:47
MinceR(cat) (audio) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/07/09/388b2934be4b45c4.mp4Aug 26 21:47
MinceRicAug 26 21:47
DaemonFC[m]One day when there was no work to do really and I was supposed to be sweeping the floor, I went to the battery charging station and load tested all the batteries.Aug 26 21:47
DaemonFC[m]Then I marked them with something only I'd understand so I'd know which ones had over 90% of their charging capacity left on them.Aug 26 21:48
DaemonFC[m]I left all the crap ones alone so only other people would pick them.Aug 26 21:48
DaemonFC[m]I figured out how to get my lift to go a bit faster than everyone else's.Aug 26 21:49
MinceRwire 2 batteries in series?Aug 26 21:49
DaemonFC[m]I'd skip over order batches that were in the wave but with people in the aisles.Aug 26 21:49
DaemonFC[m]No waiting.Aug 26 21:49
DaemonFC[m]Sometimes I'd pull multiple batches on the same pallet if the boxes were small enough that I could fit 40 of them safely.Aug 26 21:50
DaemonFC[m]Some were kids shoes so I'd just stack 60-80 boxes on it and keep pulling and drop it all off at once.Aug 26 21:50
DaemonFC[m]Sparing myself a 2 minute round trip 2-3 times over 4 pulls.Aug 26 21:51
DaemonFC[m]Circling into another aisle, floor it before hitting drive by wire so the computer can't slow you down while it's locking on.Aug 26 21:51
DaemonFC[m]Some people stopped if there were two pallets stacked on each other and toss one to the side or try to grab the one on top. I just took both of them and loaded them up.Aug 26 21:53
DaemonFC[m]Some people waited in line to drop off orders if the guy throwing them on the belt wasn't moving fast enough. I just dropped it in front and drove off.Aug 26 21:54
DaemonFC[m]Oh people hated me.Aug 26 21:55
DaemonFC[m]I said, "I'm sorry. I can't hear you over making twice as much money.".Aug 26 21:57
DaemonFC[m]<MinceR "wire 2 batteries in series?"> People don't like you when you say "This is retarded. Fuck this.".Aug 26 21:57
DaemonFC[m]I think GNOME has finally completely jumped the shark.Aug 26 21:57
DaemonFC[m]When we're talking about things that get broken so badly that Microsoft's telemetry wouldn't let it out the door on Windows 10.Aug 26 21:57
DaemonFC[m]RHEL has no upstream anymore for some critical pieces, like XFS.Aug 26 21:58
DaemonFC[m]They dump it in and the production users just have to hope for the best.Aug 26 21:58
MinceRyou mean they made it even shittier than it already was? :>Aug 26 21:58
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DaemonFC[m]You can use XFS on Fedora but hardly anyone uses things if they aren't the default.Aug 26 21:59
DaemonFC[m]That was one of the things that came up in BtrFS as a Fedora 33 feature.Aug 26 22:00
DaemonFC[m]If they don't change the default, people would just keep slapping their way through the installer and get Ext4. Aug 26 22:00
DaemonFC[m]I changed over to BtrFS at install time with Kubuntu.Aug 26 22:01
DaemonFC[m]I don't believe that ZFS on Linux is legal.Aug 26 22:01
DaemonFC[m]It certainly isn't supported upstream.Aug 26 22:01
DaemonFC[m]It does things in ways where if you don't use non-default options, you risk committing corrupt data and it won't even check.Aug 26 22:02
DaemonFC[m]Changing the default to the mode where it checks for things like bit flips before it commits the data would be the obvious choice, but they retained the old Solaris assumption that the user is using ECC RAM.Aug 26 22:03
DaemonFC[m]Most file systems default to safety over performance.Aug 26 22:04
DaemonFC[m]XFS has always let you disable write barriers with the warning "Have fun with that if the power goes out.".Aug 26 22:04
MinceRi suspect XFS didn't even have write barriers back when i tried itAug 26 22:05
DaemonFC[m]I just think that labeling something that doesn't even have basic error robustness as "next generation" is something only Canonical could contrive. Aug 26 22:05
DaemonFC[m]Even Red Hat went "We're not touching this.".Aug 26 22:06
DaemonFC[m]But Ubuntu is always trying to make "special things" that differentiate themselves, no matter how ill advised they are.Aug 26 22:06
DaemonFC[m]If it doesn't work out, they just leave their users holding their dicks.Aug 26 22:07
DaemonFC[m]BtrFS is upstream so it's going to be around.Aug 26 22:07
DaemonFC[m]There's a definite possibility that if you commit to ZFS you won't be able to upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu at some point.Aug 26 22:07
MinceRmaybe eventually it will even be stable :>Aug 26 22:08
MinceRthough with gkh & co at the helm, i wouldn't bet on it.Aug 26 22:08
DaemonFC[m]Well, those lumps are going away.Aug 26 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Whenever a doctor talks about lumps, I say, "Yeah like Lumpy Space Princess.".Aug 26 22:09
DaemonFC[m]"SHA!!!! WHATEVA! They just want me for my hot lumps!"Aug 26 22:09
DaemonFC[m]Doctor asked me what the trouble was, I said, "Oh, well, you know, you find lumps in the shower you might want to do something about that.".Aug 26 22:10
DaemonFC[m]"I'm not going to WebMD and saying it's probably cancer, but a staph infection isn't great either.".Aug 26 22:10
DaemonFC[m]He goes, "Well, I think it's staph. Let's hit it with some antibiotics and see if that makes it go away.".Aug 26 22:11
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MinceRhttps://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/3/3f/Lumpy-0.png/revision/latest?cb=20191001201815Aug 26 22:11
DaemonFC[m]I think it could be deodorant related.Aug 26 22:12
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Red Dwarf episode Quarantine.Aug 26 22:13
DaemonFC[m]They find a hologram who is infected with a computer virus and accidentally wake it up.Aug 26 22:13
DaemonFC[m]"What's dead and dead and dead all over?"Aug 26 22:13
DaemonFC[m]Rimmer: "I give up. Do tell, Dr. Froot Loop!"Aug 26 22:13
DaemonFC[m]"YOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUU!!!!!"Aug 26 22:13
MinceR:>Aug 26 22:14
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DaemonFC[m]<MinceR ":>"> Do you suppose that the city computer in Stargate Atlantis would have locked down the city over COVID-19?Aug 26 22:15
MinceRdunnoAug 26 22:16
MinceRdid it have such functionalityAug 26 22:16
MinceR?Aug 26 22:16
DaemonFC[m]It did it over a plague that killed everyone who contracted it eventually. Aug 26 22:16
DaemonFC[m]It slammed all the doors shut to contain the infected people, but would open the doors for uninfected people in hazmat gear. Aug 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]It slammed all the doors shut to contain the infected people, but would open the doors for uninfected people in hazmat gear. Aug 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]It makes sense. You know there's a pathogen but not where it is, so force everyone to stay where they are because anyone around an infected person is already potentially infected.Aug 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]Allow people who will not be infected to come in and assist.Aug 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]It contains the damage to just the areas where the people there are likely beyond help anyway.Aug 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]If we had a federal government that cared about us in the US, they would be imposing a quarantine on the hardest hit areas, like Australia is. Aug 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]I told my mom early on that if states didn't activate the national guard and enforce quarantine until we knew what we were dealing with, that it would be out of control everywhere in a matter of weeks.Aug 26 22:19
DaemonFC[m]She was so dismissive and now she's like "I don't understand why it's still going on.".Aug 26 22:21
DaemonFC[m]I said, "I told you it would be.".Aug 26 22:21
DaemonFC[m]I had to explain why it was less dangerous to shop at Walmart (with a mask on and with hand sanitizer) than it was to go inside a Starbucks or a movie theater.Aug 26 22:22
DaemonFC[m]I told her "Well, if you like the movies with no concession stand, two seats removed in between people, every odd numbered row removed, and no air conditioning, it might be safe enough to go inside. Aug 26 22:23
DaemonFC[m]"I for one love sweating like a farm animal with a mask on for 2.5 hours and hoping nobody behind me sneezes to see The Empire Strikes Back."Aug 26 22:24
DaemonFC[m]The most telling figure is that box office sales in the US dropped to below $2.5 million per week down from over $290 million.Aug 26 22:25
DaemonFC[m]The movie theater, as a thing, is over with.Aug 26 22:25
DaemonFC[m]Bankruptcy will take so many of them out before we can possibly get a handle on the virus, that it's done.Aug 26 22:25
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: oiaohm said at one point  "Disease control is not about preventing everyone from getting a disease.".Aug 26 22:29
DaemonFC[m]I guess I should have replied,  "So you're telling me that by the measure of _not_ preventing people from getting the disease, Trump will have been a 70% success in the first 18 months of something he did? Those are his best results yet."Aug 26 22:30
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DaemonFC[m]Trump is at the RNC and his propaganda tour involves speaking about COVID-19 in the past tense, even as it continues to mow down 1,200+ old people in America each day.Aug 26 22:32
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oiaohmYep disease control is about lowing spread rate so the disease is not self sustaining. Aug 26 22:34
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: I told my dad that he and my mom shouldn't have a right to vote after this, even if they do live.Aug 26 22:35
DaemonFC[m]That they're stupid and they're fucking everyone because of it.Aug 26 22:36
oiaohmhttps://theconversation.com/no-australia-should-not-follow-swedens-approach-to-coronavirus-143540   really usa is doing the same as Sweden in a lot of ways.Aug 26 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-theconversation.com | No, Australia should not follow Sweden's approach to coronavirusAug 26 22:40
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oiaohmMost horrible form of disease control was in the black death of just simple wall up the people hours where infection was.Aug 26 22:44
MinceRdon't dead, open insideAug 26 22:47
XRevan86"So, like novichok?" – "yes, very much like novichok"Aug 26 22:47
XRevan86https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/fall-alexej-nawalny-mediziner-untersuchen-parallelen-zu-einer-vergiftung-in-bulgarien-a-24b7e643-1eea-45ee-b1db-b75707f792f5 – from Meduza (Russian)Aug 26 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.spiegel.de | Fall Alexej Nawalny: Mediziner untersuchen Parallelen zu einer Vergiftung in Bulgarien - DER SPIEGELAug 26 22:49
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DaemonFC[m]The hurricane is going to make landfall and hit counties that voted for Trump by like 70-90%.Aug 26 22:57
DaemonFC[m]And FEMA's broke.Aug 26 22:57
schestowitzLaura?Aug 26 22:57
DaemonFC[m]I'm sure that will work out swell for him. In Texas and Louisiana.Aug 26 22:57
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's going to be bad. Possibly worse than Katrina.Aug 26 22:58
DaemonFC[m]FEMA says a wall of water 20 feet high will sweep 30 miles inland.Aug 26 22:58
DaemonFC[m]Well, I'll tell you where I wouldn't be. Within 300 miles of the shore. :)Aug 26 22:59
DaemonFC[m]https://www.foxnews.com/us/hurricane-laura-unsurvivable-surge-get-out-femaAug 26 23:00
DaemonFC[m]According to this image, the disaster area is primarily going to be centered on several of the most conservative counties in the entire country.Aug 26 23:01
DaemonFC[m]It will completely flood out some. Aug 26 23:01
DaemonFC[m]If I was there, I'd probably get in the car and head west as far into Texas as possible.Aug 26 23:02
DaemonFC[m]Makes no sense to drive north because it's going to hit Arkansas tooo.Aug 26 23:02
MinceRmust be "God"'s punishment :>Aug 26 23:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | FEMA head warns of 'unsurvivable surge' from Hurricane Laura, tells residents to 'get out' | Fox NewsAug 26 23:04
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, for all the gay people fucking in Illinois 'n such.Aug 26 23:04
DaemonFC[m]God's doomed the country, but mostly his own followers.Aug 26 23:04
MinceRno, for all the christian fundamentalists ("conservatives")Aug 26 23:04
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DaemonFC[m]There's no perfectly logical explanation for this, like.... I don't know. Living on the shore despite rapid ocean warming.Aug 26 23:05
MinceR"God" was supposed to protect them from the consequences of their actionsAug 26 23:06
MinceRbesides, climate change is a "hoax", according to themAug 26 23:06
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: The cops have stormed Kenosha.Aug 26 23:06
DaemonFC[m]And they're not being niggardly with the paddywagon.Aug 26 23:06
MinceR:)Aug 26 23:07
MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/20020422Aug 26 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4330805)Aug 26 23:09
XRevan86MinceR: When one uses this date format, it doesn't really matter.Aug 26 23:10
MinceR:>Aug 26 23:10
MinceRat least the year is easy enough to identifyAug 26 23:10
XRevan86s/<…>/1\19\2019/Aug 26 23:11
XRevan86hard to tell, group substitution is not resolvedAug 26 23:12
MinceRlolAug 26 23:12
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MinceRhttps://ircz.de/p/20020356Aug 26 23:24
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