●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, December 26, 2020 ●●

● Dec 26
[00:06]	schestowitz	vZS1: Now that the government uses "STAT AT HOME" mandates getting a "smart meter" (detecting if you're indoors or not) doesn't seem so smart, does it? 
[00:17]	schestowitz	vZS1: have just checked ipfs bw
[00:17]	schestowitz	it's average 2gb/day outward, 1gb/day inwards
[00:17]	schestowitz	not sure if this is the typical up/down ratio
[00:17]	schestowitz	 /dev/root       12437304 6335520   5446964  54% /
[00:17]	schestowitz	this should last a couple of years at this pace
[00:25]	DaemonFC[m]	I seriously doubt Trump thinks he'll be around otherwise he wouldn't be doing so much stuff and in a rush to get it done before the 20th.
[00:25]	DaemonFC[m]	But he's still saying he might be just to fuck with people.
[00:26]	DaemonFC[m]	If the UK is going to lockdown because of this new strain it must be really bad.
[00:27]	DaemonFC[m]	It was only a matter of time, but with spread like this it will overwhelm much faster than a vaccine could possibly get out and slow it down.
[00:28]	schestowitz	But Pfizer says it's under control
[00:28]	schestowitz	that it'll "adapt"
[00:28]	schestowitz	or that it already works 
[00:28]	schestowitz	no citation
[00:28]	schestowitz	no data
[00:28]	schestowitz	no evidence
[00:28]	schestowitz	"just keep buying our crap using taxpayers' money" (national debt)
[00:28]	schestowitz	the mutation issue has long been raised
[00:29]	schestowitz	and too little is known about the supposed vaccines, inc. Russia's
[00:29]	schestowitz	I trust Russia's about as much as I trust the 'moderna' one... from Hard-on Inc.
[00:43]	Ariadne	so how about that AT&T datacenter bombing attempt this morning
[00:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, they were nice enough to have it announce it would explode and do it when few people were around.
[00:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Kind of not what you'd expect from terrorists, to say the least.
[00:45]	Ariadne	yes, it was a very polite bomb
[00:45]	schestowitz	I read something about an explosion hours ago
[00:45]	schestowitz	and they said they suspected it was deliberate
[00:45]	schestowitz	which town was it again?
[00:45]	DaemonFC[m]	Nashville
[00:45]	Ariadne	of course it was deliberate
[00:45]	schestowitz	yes, that's it
[00:45]	Ariadne	it announced itself as a bomb
[00:45]	Ariadne	and said to evacuate
[00:46]	schestowitz	https://www.themorningsun.com/news/nation-world-news/police-explosion-in-nashville-believed-to-be-intentional/article_4b2df9bd-7215-5124-96e3-9ecbca99597c.html
[00:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Police: Explosion in Nashville believed to be 'intentional' | Nation and World News | themorningsun.com
[00:46]	schestowitz	this is the one I saw
[00:46]	schestowitz	blocked in EU by the way
[00:46]	schestowitz	so could not conveniently read any further
[00:46]	schestowitz	thus don't know the details
[00:46]	schestowitz	also blocked in EU https://www.dailyfreeman.com/news/national/police-explosion-in-nashville-may-have-been-intentional/article_ccc049a5-beab-57f7-bfee-48bfa7035741.html
[00:46]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Downtown Nashville explosion knocks communications offline | National | dailyfreeman.com
[00:47]	Ariadne	https://twitter.com/TA32556798/status/1342513650360348676
[00:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TA32556798: https://t.co/utlyRt1DIx
[00:47]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TA32556798: https://t.co/utlyRt1DIx
[00:47]	Ariadne	this is literally the explosion footage
[00:47]	Ariadne	from some security camera
[00:49]	schestowitz	Trump getting hard-on without pills.... "martial law"
[00:49]	schestowitz	then picks a book about marcos
[00:49]	schestowitz	need JavaScript to watch footage
[00:49]	schestowitz	social control media is devouring everything
[00:49]	Ariadne	use nitter
[00:50]	schestowitz	https://nitter.net/TA32556798/status/1342513650360348676
[00:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nitter.net | TA (@TA32556798): "" | nitter
[00:51]	schestowitz	holy crap
[00:51]	schestowitz	but just noise and light don't say much
[00:51]	Ariadne	the warning message ahead of time
[00:51]	Ariadne	was coming from the bomb itself
[00:52]	CrystalMath	you can also use youtube-dl on twitter links
[00:53]	schestowitz	#UnitedBombersForTrump
[00:53]	CrystalMath	why would a pro-trump bomber do this?
[00:53]	schestowitz	Ariadne: so it was to make a point
[00:53]	schestowitz	like IRA bombing in Manchester
[00:54]	schestowitz	only injuries, no death, as a warning was given
[00:54]	CrystalMath	why in Nashville, the biggest center of Trump support in the US?
[00:54]	schestowitz	either by the planters/planners or a whistleblower
[00:54]	schestowitz	CrystalMath: you answered your own question
[00:54]	schestowitz	Trump support and domestic terrorism are correlated
[00:55]	CrystalMath	but then it was maybe those who hate Trump?
[00:55]	schestowitz	with evidence to show this over the years
[00:55]	schestowitz	cybrNaut: name one terror attack against Trump supporters
[00:55]	schestowitz	you cannot name one
[00:55]	CrystalMath	idk, maybe this one?
[00:55]	schestowitz	punch in face isn't terror
[00:55]	CrystalMath	no i mean this bomb
[00:55]	CrystalMath	on christmas in TN
[00:55]		*schestowitz prepares for funny links
[00:56]	schestowitz	no, I mean precedents
[00:56]	schestowitz	antifa, for example, killed nobody
[00:56]	schestowitz	unlike the white supermacists antifa opposes
[00:56]	CrystalMath	actually some people did die of injuries after being hurt for wearing a MAGA hat
[00:56]	schestowitz	that's not antifa
[00:56]	schestowitz	so trump fanatics call everything |"antifa"
[00:57]	schestowitz	even rioters for BLM
[00:57]	CrystalMath	did i mention antifa at all?
[00:57]	schestowitz	the context was
[00:57]	CrystalMath	those who hate Trump
[00:57]	CrystalMath	but that's a lot of people
[00:57]	CrystalMath	a LOT of people
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[00:57]	schestowitz	so someone was hit
[00:57]	schestowitz	and hit badly
[00:57]	schestowitz	not run over
[00:57]	schestowitz	unlike what Trump supporters did
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[00:57]	schestowitz	ran over a young lady
[00:58]	schestowitz	and others, who were injured but not fatally
[00:58]	CrystalMath	well, there was also a black woman who is an outspoken trump supporter and anti-abortionist, who got stabbed in the back several times
[00:58]	CrystalMath	but she survived
[00:58]	schestowitz	anyway, let's discard this "bomb was from anti-Trump protester" BS
[00:58]	CrystalMath	i don't agree with her but i don't think she should be stabbed in the back
[00:59]	schestowitz	bbl
● Dec 26
[01:00]	schestowitz	going to work, covering for colleague
[01:00]	CrystalMath	i suppose it would be unprecedented, we've never seen anti-trump people use bombs
[01:00]	CrystalMath	but it's also not impossible, as there's a first time for everything
[01:02]	schestowitz	after he was voted out?!
[01:05]	Ariadne	i think it was more likely some idiot who wanted to stop "5G"
[01:06]	DaemonFC[m]	It wouldn't make sense either.
[01:06]	DaemonFC[m]	Trump has a few weeks left. 
[01:06]	DaemonFC[m]	Other than some corrupt pardons and bluster, he's finished.
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[01:14]	schestowitz	Ariadne: 5g needs to be stopped
[01:14]	schestowitz	but not for the reason the 5g lobby and patent profiteers want us to think
[01:14]	schestowitz	and not using sabotage
[01:15]	schestowitz	societal breakdown unfolding now
[01:15]	schestowitz	and any dissent is painted as loons with rifles
[01:15]	schestowitz	or people with bad hygiene
[01:15]	schestowitz	typical tactics
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[01:33]	Ariadne	schestowitz: why does 5G need to be stopped?
[01:33]	Ariadne	i agree that mmWave is pointles
[01:33]	Ariadne	s
[01:34]	Ariadne	but 5G is otherwise just a radio access technology.  most '5G' is low band
[01:34]	Ariadne	https://about.att.com/pages/disaster_relief/nashville.html
[01:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-about.att.com | Nashville Recovery Efforts
[01:34]	Ariadne	in other news
[01:35]	Ariadne	(the real problem with mmWave is that it interferes with weather radar)
[01:36]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/721031.jpg
[01:38]	Ariadne	patent minefield is also problematic, but LTE has same problem
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[01:48]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/716261.jpg
[01:49]	Ariadne	according to AT&T enterprise customer portal, front 1/3rd of the building is basically demolished
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[01:49]	Ariadne	generators are offline because natural gas lines were isolated
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[01:50]	Ariadne	new generators and diesel fuel are enroute to restore power
[01:50]	Ariadne	but MMR is flooded
[01:50]	Ariadne	soooo
[01:50]	Ariadne	dunno :)
[01:50]	Ariadne	gonna say that situation is well and truly fucked
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[02:13]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/716223.jpg
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[02:49]	MinceR	(cat) https://hugelolcdn.com/i/720436.jpg
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[05:17]	schestowitz	[01:34] <Ariadne> but 5G is otherwise just a radio access technology.  most '5G' is low band
[05:17]	schestowitz	I mentioned this in a techrights video the other day, maybe 3 days ago
[05:18]	schestowitz	BTW, when do we resume migration efforts and what's the hard deadline (shutdown)?
[05:19]	schestowitz	[01:38] <Ariadne> patent minefield is also problematic, but LTE has same problem
[05:19]	schestowitz	this a false-dichotomy duality? Somebody did this to me a day ago, presenting only two false choices as the inevitability.
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[05:44]	schestowitz	         * 
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[05:44]	schestowitz	        |X|      
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[05:44]	schestowitz	(up yours, santa)
[05:50]	schestowitz	https://www.readingeagle.com/coronavirus/hamburg-school-district-to-follow-winter-break-with-a-week-of-virtual-learning-to-stem/article_0e2e6560-4477-11eb-8469-33754a12e54b.html
[05:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hamburg School District to follow winter break with a week of virtual learning to stem spread of COVID | Coronavirus | readingeagle.com
[05:50]	schestowitz	only a week?
[05:52]	schestowitz	https://www.pottsmerc.com/news/state/descendant-of-first-african-slaves-discusses-healthcare-disparities-in-patient-safety/article_0b523413-f50e-5b03-a293-f9c3ad93f8c2.html
[05:52]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Descendant of First African Slaves Discusses Healthcare Disparities in PATIENT SAFETY | State | pottsmerc.com
[05:59]	DaemonFC[m]	I didn't have a great plan for dinner so it was steaks with garlic pepper and A1 in the slow cooker and a can of german potato salad.
[05:59]	DaemonFC[m]	This year really sucks.
● Dec 26
[06:00]	schestowitz	yes, same here for the dinner part
[06:00]	schestowitz	we bought some items, but the atmosphere is so different
[06:00]	schestowitz	didn't even prepare a 'proper' table
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● Dec 26
[07:27]	DaemonFC[m]	https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/pantheon-history-test-of-time/index.html
[07:27]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com | The Pantheon: The ancient building still being used after 2,000 years - CNN Style
[07:27]	DaemonFC[m]	"During the Middle Ages, religious leaders, who were incredulous of the feat, cast doubt on the holiness of the Pantheon, believing it to be the work of the devil.
[07:27]	DaemonFC[m]	But it wasn't Satan; it was engineering."
[07:27]	DaemonFC[m]	Ah yes, the old "I can't explain it therefore Satan.".
[07:53]	vZS1	I think it's time to start organising anti-lockdown protests
[07:53]	vZS1	Virtually, at least
[07:53]	vZS1	They're sabotaging the economy at this point
[07:53]	vZS1	I've had a look at the data and the lockdowns aren't really helping
[07:54]	vZS1	Time to bust out the old Tor relay and contact some old friends
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[08:56]	schestowitz	vZS1: just did a video about it
[08:56]	schestowitz	an hour long
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[13:17]	trendoceangd	Hi,
[13:18]	trendoceangd	Please allow me to register on this website
[13:22]	schestowitz	whcih site?
[13:22]	schestowitz	techrights
[13:22]	schestowitz	?
[13:24]	trendoceangd	yes
[13:25]	schestowitz	to post comments?
[13:25]	trendoceangd	to share content
[13:25]	schestowitz	techrights does not post random submissions, it's not tux machines
[13:25]	trendoceangd	I run blog which specially for linux commnity
[13:26]	trendoceangd	so what's procedure overhere?
[13:26]	schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/19743176
[13:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The complete guide for #NMAP Command http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/145859 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines 
[13:26]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org | The complete guide for NMAP Command | Tux Machines
[13:26]	schestowitz	Your posts appear in IRC
[13:26]	schestowitz	but at the moment pleroma.site is down
[13:26]	schestowitz	it's part of the fediverse
[13:28]	trendoceangd	Roy you have granted me to post article on tuxright 
[13:28]	trendoceangd	thanks for that
[13:28]	trendoceangd	any where else i can share
[13:29]	trendoceangd	like you have TechBytes or many other sites
[13:34]	schestowitz	not many sites
[13:34]	schestowitz	techbytes was our podcast, not abandoned but not recorded for a number of years because my cohost is MIA
[13:36]	trendoceangd	alright 
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[15:07]	MinceR	https://hugelolcdn.com/i/716222.jpg
[15:18]	schestowitz	http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2020/12/26/ip-federation-expresses-concerns-about-unified-patent-court/
[15:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | IP Federation expresses concerns about Unified Patent Court - Kluwer Patent Blog
[15:18]	schestowitz	"
[15:18]	schestowitz	we support the UPC being available to non-EU member states including the UK where political will allows.
[15:18]	schestowitz	The GFCC clarified the UPC is only open to EU member states in its March 2020 press release:
[15:18]	schestowitz	https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/EN/2020/bvg20-020.html
[15:18]	schestowitz	The Agreement is open exclusively to EU Member States.
[15:18]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de | Bundesverfassungsgericht - Press - Act of Approval to the Agreement on a Unified Patent Court is void
[15:18]	schestowitz	"
[15:19]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/commandments
[15:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Commandments
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[15:45]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/eugenics
[15:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Eugenics
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[16:25]	schestowitz	vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/12/26/covid19-boxing-day/
[16:25]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Boxing People | Techrights
[16:25]	schestowitz	took 'only' 4 hours to upload
[16:29]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:irrelevant) https://i.imgur.com/q40WtM4.mp4
[16:32]	scientes	MinceR, my god that is a big litter
[16:32]	MinceR	a commenter suggests it's 2 moms and 2 litters
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[16:37]	scientes	its one litter now hahahahahaha
[16:37]	MinceR	:>
[16:39]	scientes	at least they don't need clothes
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● Dec 26
[17:00]	schestowitz	[16:32] <MinceR> a commenter suggests it's 2 moms and 2 litters
[17:00]	schestowitz	they hug
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[17:28]	schestowitz	 Finland : free 90-day trial
[17:28]	schestowitz	
[17:28]	schestowitz	 A bit too late, and at Grauniad, and thus not in the regular links,
[17:28]	schestowitz	https://www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi/90-day-finn-application/
[17:28]	schestowitz	https://www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi/90-day-finn-terms-and-conditions/
[17:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi | 90 day Finn Application - Helsinki Business Hub
[17:28]	schestowitz	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/25/thousands-apply-to-be-a-finn-for-90-days-in-migration-scheme
[17:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.helsinkibusinesshub.fi | 90 day Finn terms and conditions - Helsinki Business Hub
[17:28]	schestowitz	(sent to me)
[17:28]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Thousands apply to be a Finn for 90 days in migration scheme | Finland | The Guardian
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[17:56]	Ariadne	[22:19:56] <schestowitz> this a false-dichotomy duality? Somebody did this to me a day ago, presenting only two false choices as the inevitability.
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[17:56]	Ariadne	there is no patent-free radio technology that has the same capabilities as either LTE or 5G NR
[17:56]	Ariadne	obviously, if there were that would be great
● Dec 26
[18:01]	scientes	Finland not a bad country
[18:14]	schestowitz	has Trump applied?
[18:14]	schestowitz	it's part of Russia, apparently
[18:14]	schestowitz	Ariadne: patent law needs to change
[18:14]	schestowitz	also, some tech isn't a net benefit
[18:18]	scientes	what about fishing nets
[18:18]	scientes	I think those are a net benifit
[18:19]	XRevan86	I heard that Russia is the last place the Finnish would rather immigrate to.
[18:19]	XRevan86	there's something beautiful about that
[18:19]	scientes	a fuck load of wars
[18:19]	MinceR	26 190153 < scientes> Finland not a bad country
[18:19]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baHsoEAAMZU
[18:19]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - Finland (Official Lyric Video) - YouTube
[18:20]	scientes	but I like Georgia
[18:20]	scientes	XRevan86, Georgia has similar feelings regarding Russia
[18:21]	scientes	(as you of course know)
[18:21]	XRevan86	scientes: I feel like with Finland it's a lot stronger.
[18:21]	Ariadne	schestowitz: i agree that some tech is not a net benefit.  the side effects of constantly being connected to the internet have not been positive for society at large imo
[18:21]	schestowitz	yup
[18:21]	scientes	XRevan86, yeah I suspect too, but you are much closes
[18:21]	schestowitz	Ariadne: maybe it's worth doing a video about
[18:22]	schestowitz	we've added more videos lately
[18:22]	XRevan86	scientes: Both because Finland is in a good shape and because the neighbouring region of Russia is in an extremely bad shape.
[18:22]	schestowitz	I run low on disk space in /home
[18:22]	scientes	XRevan86, I hear Finland like St. Petersberg Scotland regard elopements
[18:22]	Ariadne	this is one thing i find fascinating about stallman, he keeps his internet usage to a minimum
[18:23]	XRevan86	It makes the difference so much more apparent, because there's no good reason for such disparity.
[18:23]	scientes	Ariadne, he gets made fun of for it, but I admire it, actually
[18:23]	XRevan86	in fact it should be the other way around, because Russia is orders of magnitude richer and more powerful
[18:23]	scientes	XRevan86, pride of ownership
[18:23]	schestowitz	he uses the net for email
[18:23]	schestowitz	tbh, he can find better information in books
[18:24]	schestowitz	more reliable, more thought through
[18:24]	XRevan86	MinceR: A very regex'able song.
[18:24]	XRevan86	s/Finland/Scotland/g
[18:25]	Ariadne	either way though, 5G itself is not more or less harmful than LTE (other than mmWave interfering with weather radar)
[18:25]	XRevan86	s/Finland/Iceland/g
[18:25]	Ariadne	i think weather radar is more important than 5G mmWave
[18:25]	scientes	XRevan86, i just heard that it is much easier to marry in Finland, than Russia
[18:25]	Ariadne	weather radar saves lives, for example
[18:25]	scientes	so people cross the border
[18:26]	scientes	similar to Scotland in Pride and Prejudice
[18:27]	XRevan86	scientes: In what way?
[18:28]	scientes	XRevan86, you cross the border, get married, and then register it at the russian embassy
[18:28]	XRevan86	Didn't know there can be complications with getting married
[18:31]	MinceR	XRevan86: lol
[18:32]	scientes	XRevan86, have you been to Finland?
[18:32]	XRevan86	scientes: no
[18:32]	scientes	there is that St Petersbefg-Helsinki-Stockholm cruise ship
[18:35]	Ariadne	schestowitz: regarding migration, i will probably resume that this evening.  have just been working on writing my own wayland compositor so i can have a stable desktop
[18:35]	schestowitz	cool :-)
[18:35]	Ariadne	so far i've built a compositor that you can drive a tank through
[18:36]	schestowitz	I hope my fear of a deadline is unfounded
[18:36]	Ariadne	instead of fail fast, this thing is fail never
[18:36]	Ariadne	we have this week to get it done
[18:36]	schestowitz	kde on debian buster is SUPER stable for me/
[18:36]	Ariadne	i'll just migrate the VM images as they are and containerize from there
[18:36]	scientes	Ariadne, have you checked out phosh?
[18:36]	scientes	and have you checked out enlightenment?
[18:36]	schestowitz	Ariadne: good plan
[18:36]	Ariadne	scientes: those don't do what i want, so i wrote my own
[18:37]	schestowitz	btw, side note, the gym is shut until jan 9th
[18:37]	schestowitz	so until then I will have LOADS of spare time :-)
[18:37]	Ariadne	cool
[18:38]	scientes	but everything has been nationalized in Europe
[18:40]	schestowitz	privatised
[18:41]	scientes	same thing, right?
[18:41]	scientes	hahahahahahaha
[18:41]	scientes	Under every rock lurks a politician.
[18:44]	schestowitz	there was a time when things were turned over to the public
[18:44]	schestowitz	nhs is post ww2 thing
[18:44]	schestowitz	now they chop it down and outsource for private profits
[18:44]	scientes	spain nationalized all the healthcare system
[18:44]	scientes	so did italy
[18:44]	schestowitz	because... "neoliberalism" or whatever yanks call it
[18:44]	scientes	Under every rock lurks a politician.
[18:45]	schestowitz	xmas eve: https://thegrayzone.com/2020/12/24/pseudo-left-imperialists-healthcare/
[18:45]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thegrayzone.com | Meet the pseudo-left imperialists fighting against universal healthcare | The Grayzone
[18:46]	vZS1	Campinos shouting
[18:46]	vZS1	Why isn't he fired?
[18:46]	vZS1	If a staff member shouted at him they'd be fired
[18:47]	vZS1	Surely that's in violation of some policy?
[18:48]	schestowitz	you are new to epo :-)
[18:48]	schestowitz	the presidents violate their own rules
[18:48]	schestowitz	staff reps point that out
[18:48]	schestowitz	and then get unwarranted bollocking
[18:48]	vZS1	Who is their superior?
[18:48]	schestowitz	whose?
[18:48]	vZS1	The president
[18:49]	schestowitz	nobody. they are above the law. that's the very heart of the scandal
[18:49]	schestowitz	they steal billions 
[18:49]	schestowitz	and nobody holds them accountable
[18:49]	schestowitz	not even the commission
[18:49]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/12/01/the-breton-coverup/
[18:49]	vZS1	Had nobody filed a report to the commission?
[18:49]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Commissions Thierry Breton Covers Up EPO Corruption For His Friend Benot Battistelli | Techrights
[18:49]	schestowitz	vZS1: care to proofread/factcheck my new ipfs post?
[18:49]	schestowitz	draft, can be posted any second
[18:49]	vZS1	Has*
[18:50]	vZS1	Sure
[18:50]	schestowitz	vZS1: they did
[18:50]	schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2020/07/18/collusion-and-coverup/
[18:50]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Thierry Breton and the European Commission Must Answer Perfectly Legitimate Questions About European Patent Office Corruption | Techrights
[18:50]	schestowitz	the above link (12/01) is the Commission's non-response
[18:50]	schestowitz	it's run by a corrupt mole
[18:51]	schestowitz	vZS1: http://techrights.org/2020/12/26/www-social-control/
[18:51]	schestowitz	fast
[18:51]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The World Wide Web (or Worldwide Empire): Optimised for Social Control Media | Techrights
[18:53]	scientes	weve long gone in the opposite direction (EME, AMP, SPDY etc.)
[18:53]	scientes	hahahaha
[18:53]	scientes	SPDY is old
[18:53]	scientes	we have HTTP 3 now
[18:53]	scientes	which doesn't even use TCP
[18:53]	vZS1	> not only a Web site but a resources broadly available in a peer-to-peer fashion.
[18:53]	XRevan86	scientes: SPDY is HTTP/2 now.
[18:53]	scientes	both are excessively complex, with no interest in being easily implementable
[18:53]	schestowitz	yes, it is
[18:53]	schestowitz	beat me to it
[18:53]	vZS1	I'm guessing you mean resource*
[18:53]	vZS1	s/resources/resource
[18:54]	schestowitz	cheers
[18:54]	schestowitz	http/2 is part of the problem
[18:54]	schestowitz	marketed as "SPEED"
[18:54]	XRevan86	Well, it delivers.
[18:54]	schestowitz	and complexity
[18:54]	schestowitz	where none is truly needed
[18:54]	schestowitz	reminds me of systemd
[18:54]	XRevan86	It's how TLS-encrypted HTTP can get on a par with clear text.
[18:54]	schestowitz	you overcomplicate things and debugging can be a pain, for users a devs alike
[18:54]	schestowitz	except for ibm staff
[18:55]	vZS1	We're still not fully there yet
[18:55]	vZS1	TR doesn't use IPNS
[18:55]	XRevan86	With TLS-encrypted HTTP/1 complexity is moved to the frameworks, that then bundle everything into one mega-file.
[18:55]	vZS1	You're still on DNS
[18:55]	XRevan86	to reduce the amount of connections
[18:56]	vZS1	We should make an IPNS object for the TR index
[18:56]	XRevan86	Don't know if WordPress still does it. Maybe they stopped, because HTTP/2.
[18:57]	vZS1	schestowitz: I can write an IPNS how-to for TR like I did for IPFS
[18:57]	vZS1	Give me a couple weeks
[18:57]	schestowitz	cheers
[18:57]	schestowitz	we move servers/dc soon
[18:57]	schestowitz	maybe this evening, Ariadne says
[18:57]	schestowitz	if she finds time
[18:58]	vZS1	TLS's trust model is a joke
[18:58]	vZS1	X.509 rather
[18:59]	DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft HTTP + S&M
[18:59]	MinceR	https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/satan
[18:59]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Satan
● Dec 26
[19:00]	vZS1	Certificate "authorities" have kidnapped and monopolised the trust system. Browsers enable them
[19:01]	vZS1	So now you just have to play by their rules
[19:01]	vZS1	Same happened to DNS
[19:01]	vZS1	And email
[19:04]	vZS1	They really went for the throat
[19:04]	XRevan86	Anyway, the big idea behind HTTP/2 is to establish a connection to the server just once, and so the overhead from TLS handshake occurs only once.
[19:04]	vZS1	It's over now. You really can't be free on the web
[19:04]	CrystalMath	vZS1: why not?
[19:04]	CrystalMath	i never use HTTP/2
[19:04]	CrystalMath	because elinks doesn't support it :P
[19:04]	CrystalMath	nor does lynx
[19:05]	CrystalMath	i also sometimes use HTTP/1.0 browsers
[19:05]	vZS1	They've kidnapped the standards and central infrastructure
[19:05]	CrystalMath	who cares about standards
[19:06]	vZS1	HTTP has been successfully kidnapped as well
[19:06]	CrystalMath	i mean, sure, there are problems that you need to bypass
[19:06]	CrystalMath	like cloudflare
[19:06]	CrystalMath	cloudflare is indeed a real threat
[19:06]	CrystalMath	but it really has nothing to do with TLS
[19:06]	CrystalMath	as it really hijacks everything to the point that TLS is pointless
[19:06]	vZS1	Google went and made HTTP3 more optimised for stuff like YouTube
[19:06]	CrystalMath	and?
[19:07]	CrystalMath	just use HTTP 1.1
[19:07]	schestowitz	and for Chrome
[19:07]	schestowitz	youtube still takes ages to load up on anything but google's pwn chrome
[19:07]	CrystalMath	screw HTTP 2, let alone HTTP 3
[19:07]	schestowitz	mozilla accused them of doing that deliberately, iirc
[19:07]	XRevan86	HTTP/2 is awesome, don't know about HTTP/3
[19:07]	schestowitz	and then the same for google maps and streetview
[19:07]	scientes	<schestowitz> youtube still takes ages to load up on anything but google's pwn chrome
[19:07]	scientes	schestowitz, it was Microsoft
[19:07]	scientes	they gave it as the reason they had to drop their own browser
[19:08]	XRevan86	reinventing TCP is a bit much to my taste
[19:08]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: yeah but it's not so easy to implement in simple browsers
[19:08]	scientes	schestowitz, if you change the UA in Firefox YouTube fails to load
[19:08]	schestowitz	scientes: right. yes, it was MSFT
[19:08]	schestowitz	the hypocrites
[19:08]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: Simple browsers usually don't have much to take from it.
[19:08]	schestowitz	who 'warm up' Office to fake startup 'performance'
[19:08]	scientes	basically Google hates that they have to support an open platform
[19:08]	CrystalMath	XRevan86: true, so i just use HTTP 1.1
[19:09]	scientes	so making YouTube only support Firefox With Hacks is their passive-agressive way of showing their hate for people
[19:09]	XRevan86	CrystalMath: As long as your servers support HTTP/2, I don't mind :)
[19:09]	scientes	XRevan86, HTTP/1.1
[19:09]	XRevan86	Unless it's a single page with no pictures, CSS or anything, then I won't mind as well
[19:09]	CrystalMath	as for me, i should make a nice website
[19:09]	CrystalMath	in HTML 3.1 Strict
[19:09]	CrystalMath	no JS, no CSS
[19:10]	scientes	It pisses me off how people are dumping IRC for these "cool new technologies"
[19:10]	scientes	that are basically just IRC, but slower
[19:10]	CrystalMath	scientes: so don't
[19:10]	schestowitz	matrix *cough*
[19:10]	schestowitz	even fedora wrote about it this week
[19:10]	schestowitz	poor fedora using 'old' IRC
[19:10]	schestowitz	tbf, they say they're working on making the 'new' thing compatible with irc
[19:10]	scientes	Mozilla did it for discord
[19:10]	scientes	but I can't use it
[19:10]	scientes	with IRC you can find people and talk directly
[19:10]	scientes	it is amazing
[19:11]	schestowitz	dicord is proprietary
[19:11]	CrystalMath	discord is complete crap
[19:11]	scientes	^^^
[19:11]	CrystalMath	but
[19:11]	schestowitz	like slack, pronounced "shit"
[19:11]	scientes	complete crap
[19:11]	CrystalMath	mozilla has a channel on freenode
[19:11]	vZS1	HTTP2 is binary
[19:11]	schestowitz	soon "shitforce"
[19:11]	vZS1	So it's a PITA
[19:11]	scientes	CrystalMath, they use to have their own IRC server, for decades
[19:11]	vZS1	HTTP1 is plaintext
[19:11]	scientes	and all the devs were on it
[19:11]	vZS1	A lot simpler to debug
[19:11]	XRevan86	vZS1: It's also meant to be encrypted.
[19:12]	schestowitz	for some sites encryption is not important
[19:12]	XRevan86	don't know how you're planning to read HTTP/2 when it's behind encryption
[19:12]	schestowitz	it slows things down for no real benefit
[19:12]	schestowitz	because they can see what ip you connect to anyway
[19:12]	XRevan86	Without encryption HTTP/2 is not used.
[19:12]	vZS1	Encryption should happen elsewhere
[19:12]	schestowitz	so they know what sites you read and when, how long for...
[19:12]	CrystalMath	schestowitz: also cloudware hijacks the encryption anyway
[19:12]	CrystalMath	you only encrypt up to cloudflare
[19:12]	CrystalMath	that's the real threat to the web
[19:12]	schestowitz	clownflare
[19:13]	schestowitz	the packet circus
[19:13]	vZS1	Shoehorning encryption into a protocol tells me enough about how good they are at designing systems
[19:13]	CrystalMath	clownflare, nice
[19:13]	schestowitz	https is just http
[19:13]	schestowitz	with tls around it
[19:13]	vZS1	Probably thought "separation of concerns" is just another buzzword
[19:13]	schestowitz	lots of gzip on the web, too
[19:14]	scientes	<schestowitz> clownflare
[19:14]	scientes	hahahahaha
[19:14]	scientes	they have a passive-agressive thing against Tor too
[19:14]	scientes	the internet is full of passive-agressive actors
[19:14]	scientes	Clownflare vs. Tor
[19:14]	scientes	YouTube vs. Firefox
[19:14]	schestowitz	eff hates pgp
[19:14]	vZS1	But that's what happens when you have idiots stuffed into the committees that define standards
[19:14]	schestowitz	gpg also
[19:14]	schestowitz	the whole efail hype
[19:15]	schestowitz	over messages that are not messages
[19:15]	schestowitz	but web pages pretending to be mails ^_^
[19:15]	schestowitz	and then eff shilled for MS-hosted signal
[19:15]	schestowitz	which requires a phone number and stuff
[19:15]	schestowitz	stuff eff
[19:15]	schestowitz	they're done
[19:15]	schestowitz	merry xmas
[19:15]	scientes	well yeah
[19:16]	vZS1	HTTP 1.1 was 1997. We still had real hackers calling most of the shots back then
[19:16]	scientes	another example of Under every rock lurks a politician.
[19:16]	vZS1	HTTP 2 was 2015
[19:16]	vZS1	IIRC
[19:16]	scientes	vZS1, and apache's initial page was "It works!"
[19:16]	vZS1	By then the committees were already stuffed with morons
[19:17]	scientes	vZS1, SPDY/HTTP2 has a silly gzip dictionary as part of the standard, and every release changed that dictionary, with no real explination of why the dictionary was any good
[19:18]	smnthermes	> [16:14:42] scientes: Clownflare vs. Tor
[19:18]	smnthermes	Mozilla loves Clownflare
[19:19]	scientes	and HTTP3 is just insanely complicated, even just the wire protocol, before they stuff TCP and TLS on top of it
[19:19]	smnthermes	Despite integrating Tor Browser features in Firefox
[19:19]	vZS1	Tor is already being dismantled
[19:19]	scientes	^^^^
[19:19]	vZS1	They fired the real Tor hackers
[19:19]	vZS1	I didn't even know until schestowitz told me
[19:20]	scientes	makes sense
[19:20]	MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/57f22cd4efc51b6d.jpg
[19:20]	vZS1	Mozilla is actively fucking everything good we got from it
[19:20]	scientes	the internet is unbelievably controlled these days
[19:20]	scientes	https://mashable.com/article/tor-foundation-coronavirus-layoffs/
[19:20]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Tor lays off staff as privacy takes another coronavirus-induced hit
[19:20]	vZS1	Thunderbird, Firefox, Tor (originally not Mozilla)
[19:21]	scientes	MinceR, nice
[19:21]	scientes	XRevan86, 
[19:21]	scientes	<MinceR> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/57f22cd4efc51b6d.jpg
[19:21]	scientes	hahahahaha
[19:21]	DaemonFC[m]	Stuff the entire internet protocol stack and gzip into HTTP why not.
[19:22]	vZS1	Pretty much what they're doing
[19:22]	DaemonFC[m]	Every godawful thing they can think of goes in now and the next terrible ideas, well, that's why there's versioning.
[19:22]	schestowitz	  >>> curl site_page.zip | unzip | sudo sh -
[19:22]	vZS1	Lmao
[19:22]	schestowitz	forgot a dash
[19:22]	schestowitz	totallty secure
[19:22]	schestowitz	runme.bat
[19:23]	schestowitz	run my butt
[19:23]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm trying to get our immigration stuff into some sort of order so I can send it off to FedEx to be printed.
[19:23]	DaemonFC[m]	It would be great had Maricel not ran off our attorney but it is what it is and I just have to peck around the web gathering as much data and evidence as I can hit them with at the meeting.
[19:25]	vZS1	Look at the name
[19:26]	vZS1	Hypertext Transfer Protocol
[19:26]	vZS1	Should just transfer hypertext
[19:26]	DaemonFC[m]	Yeah, well, originally the idea was that ftp would handle files.
[19:27]	DaemonFC[m]	But then Google unilaterally decided to end ftp, which was a pretty big mess, but as Mozilla stated, you could fix a lot of that by just removing support for ancient implementations that nobody would be using today.
[19:27]	DaemonFC[m]	Like the ones from Windows for Workgroups.
[19:27]	vZS1	FTP is still a good protocol
[19:27]	vZS1	I use it still
[19:28]	DaemonFC[m]	Well, Google can't force people to shut down their FTP servers, but if it requires specialized software to access, then most people won't be using it.
[19:28]	vZS1	That's a good point
[19:28]	DaemonFC[m]	All they really need to do is remove FTP from Chrome and then not index FTP servers in Google Search and it's effectively gone.
[19:28]	vZS1	Pretty much
[19:28]	schestowitz	same for rss
[19:28]	schestowitz	before chrome arrived
[19:28]	schestowitz	firefox made rss very popular for a whole
[19:28]	schestowitz	*while (not anymore)
[19:29]	vZS1	There's still hope though
[19:29]	vZS1	BitTorrent and IPFS make file sharing pretty easy
[19:29]	schestowitz	maybe the next covid 'stimulus' bill will ban those
[19:29]	DaemonFC[m]	BitTorrent traffic is increasingly scrutinized by ISPs even if there is no copyright complaints.
[19:30]	vZS1	But I still prefer ftp in some cases
[19:30]	schestowitz	"g5 does not cause covid, ipfs does," said Moscow Mitch
[19:30]	vZS1	FTP is an elegant protocol
[19:30]	DaemonFC[m]	They'll at least log what you transfer and slow it down to "improve the quality of their network" for people trying to watch Netflix. 
[19:30]	vZS1	It's a lot simpler than P2P
[19:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Beats investing in pesky upgrades so it works well for everyone who is paying them.
[19:30]	scientes	but http/1.1 is more efficient
[19:30]	DaemonFC[m]	Then they can invest in bribes and dividends and bonuses.
[19:30]	vZS1	You can't really filter traffic when it's encrypted
[19:30]	scientes	and also lacks annoying state machine of ftp
[19:31]	DaemonFC[m]	No, which is why VPNs have a lot of value even on Windows.
[19:31]	scientes	ftp is stateful which makes it disliked
[19:31]	DaemonFC[m]	It does put a stop to your ISP being able to selectively meddle with your traffic.
[19:31]	vZS1	You can just get your torrent client to do "encrypted only"
[19:31]	DaemonFC[m]	And it's the ISP level where things go hideously wrong as far as copyright alerts and stuff.
[19:31]	DaemonFC[m]	Protocol Encryption in BitTorrent is basically useless.
[19:32]	DaemonFC[m]	It got around some early network throttling techniques, but it only encrypts headers, not the entire stream, and it's easy to analyze and figure out what it is.
[19:32]	scientes	I tend to use sftp
[19:32]	scientes	as I already have it set up
[19:32]	schestowitz	all use sftp
[19:32]	scientes	and network file systems universally sucks
[19:33]	schestowitz	not when you say ftp people assume over ssh
[19:33]	DaemonFC[m]	I think the future of BitTorrent is over VPN services because without that you're not going to last long.
[19:33]	scientes	sftp just works
[19:33]	DaemonFC[m]	With copyright strikes and this kangaroo court they're setting up.
[19:33]	schestowitz	i set up some ftp servers for clients
[19:33]	schestowitz	and yes, stfp, we leave out the s 
[19:33]	vZS1	There's no hard evidence that ISPs can filter out encrypted torrenting
[19:33]	vZS1	That's propaganda
[19:33]	scientes	sftp is a totally different protocol
[19:33]	DaemonFC[m]	Losing your internet account is small beans compared with scattershot lawsuits in front of an arbitration board.
[19:34]	schestowitz	it's sftp + extra, no?
[19:34]	scientes	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_File_Transfer_Protocol
[19:34]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | SSH File Transfer Protocol - Wikipedia
[19:34]	DaemonFC[m]	They'll just hit you with dozens or hundreds of lawsuits, all demanding $30,000 each, and then it'll be worse than what we have now.
[19:34]	schestowitz	"SFTP (SSH File Transfer Protocol) is a protocol built SSH to transfer files securely. By using the SSH transport layer, SFTP can securely move large amounts of data over an internet connection. ... It uses the SSH authentication and cryptographic capabilities to keep files safe during the transfer process."
[19:35]	vZS1	All this "deep packet inspection" is bullshittery
[19:35]	DaemonFC[m]	We're going to see a lot of people get ambushed by these and they'll have to declare bankruptcy.
[19:35]	scientes	vZS1, it is universally implemented these days
[19:35]	schestowitz	ah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS
[19:35]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FTPS - Wikipedia
[19:35]	DaemonFC[m]	I implemented firewall rules back when Comcrap was using Sandvine.
[19:35]	schestowitz	vZS1: dpi = "HEY HI!!
[19:35]	schestowitz	'we  grep stuff'
[19:36]	DaemonFC[m]	It was pretty clumsy. You couldn't tell which reset packets were fake or real so you just dropped all of them being sent to your bittorrent client and let it sort out the mess as the file became corrupt and needed recovering.
[19:36]	DaemonFC[m]	It caused a lot of excess CPU usage.
[19:36]	scientes	and now they give us https and say "we are protecting you"
[19:36]	schestowitz	from the rushhhhan
[19:36]	scientes	"we are protecting your from yourself"
[19:36]	vZS1	Let them spew their bullshit
[19:36]	vZS1	I've not got the energy to call it all out
[19:36]	schestowitz	facebook protects you from 'chinese virus'
[19:37]	schestowitz	so only fb and partners can see the "goods"
[19:37]	DaemonFC[m]	I was using a lot of direct download sites at the motel.
[19:37]	schestowitz	microsoft gets all of fb data
[19:37]	DaemonFC[m]	I had Opera installed because few people were using them with Opera VPN, and so I could have several downloads going at once that way.
[19:37]	schestowitz	opera 'vpn'
[19:37]	schestowitz	in china :-)
[19:37]	schestowitz	opera is both proprietary
[19:37]	schestowitz	and chinese nopw
[19:37]	vZS1	schestowitz: a PR rep was trying to teach me about GPG yesterday. 
[19:37]	schestowitz	not scandinadian
[19:38]	scientes	"stay inside, the world is a scary place"
[19:38]	vZS1	I smiled and nodded
[19:38]	schestowitz	even opera's founder lost interest and started a different browser
[19:38]	vZS1	:D
[19:38]	schestowitz	and now they offer 'free' email
[19:38]	schestowitz	to harvest you
[19:38]	DaemonFC[m]	Mandy just shouts bing bong ching chong and laughs now because of south park.
[19:38]	schestowitz	and sell the data
[19:38]	scientes	we are living in a real-life bubble-boy world
[19:38]	schestowitz	(vivaldick(
[19:38]	scientes	remember that movie?
[19:38]	scientes	bubble boy?
[19:38]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't know if he gets it that to a lot of these stupid fucking morons that voted for Trump, there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the Philippines and China.
[19:38]	DaemonFC[m]	THey probably couldn't put at either on a map.
[19:39]	schestowitz	scientes: it was also in seinfeld
[19:39]	schestowitz	was
[19:39]	DaemonFC[m]	Let's just hate Asians because that's what the industrial strength adulterer 6 time bankrupt from GOD wants.
[19:39]	schestowitz	until george killed him
[19:39]	scientes	NO SOUP 4 U
[19:39]	schestowitz	come back, 4 months1
[19:39]	schestowitz	!
[19:39]	vZS1	All Asians are evil. Don't ya know? 
[19:39]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: If immigration asks about my bankruptcy I might just say "The former administration had 6, soon to be 7.
[19:40]	schestowitz	vZS1: that's like half the people on the planet!
[19:40]	DaemonFC[m]	Besides, I'm working on the rebound. I agree that credit ratings are mostly bullshit, but if you can stay over 600 you'll at least be able to rent an apartment.
[19:40]	scientes	sucky sucky 5 yuen you get chinese disease
[19:41]	vZS1	Half the planet is evil! 
[19:41]	scientes	vZS1, sounds about right
[19:41]	schestowitz	that's optimistic
[19:41]	schestowitz	ask MinceR
[19:41]	schestowitz	he's the 'expert'
[19:41]	DaemonFC[m]	That's why I've been quiet as a mouse here. Don't want to rub the landlord the wrong way after he basically looked the other way at a dicey situation.
[19:41]	scientes	to have good you must have evil
[19:41]	scientes	so half-half sounds about right
[19:41]	DaemonFC[m]	One tenant with a recent bankruptcy and one that's in the middle of an immigration case.
[19:41]	scientes	so half-half sounds about left-right
[19:41]	schestowitz	vZS1: there are many good and benign animals
[19:42]	schestowitz	creatures that eat weed in the seafloor
[19:42]	schestowitz	we eat them
[19:42]	schestowitz	instead of the weed
[19:42]	DaemonFC[m]	Bankruptcy was the nuclear option after what John and the state trumped up. But for all he knows, I was just some idiot who couldn't manage my affairs.
[19:42]	schestowitz	lately we've watched many elephant videos
[19:42]	schestowitz	they keep haunting my mind
[19:42]	DaemonFC[m]	So if it comes up at immigration I'll explain it that way and if it doesn't I won't bring it up.
[19:43]	DaemonFC[m]	It's dead and buried in the past. We're back on our feet and looking towards a much brighter future. 
[19:43]	scientes	schestowitz, eat elephants?
[19:44]	MinceR	schestowitz: you keel killing bacteria :>
[19:44]	MinceR	s/eel/eep/
[19:44]	DaemonFC[m]	"back on our feet and looking towards the future".....It's not what you say, it's how you say it.
[19:44]	DaemonFC[m]	Confidence. If you're not projecting confidence, why should they assume good things await you?
[19:44]	scientes	MinceR, you speak for the bacteria, but what about those innocent plants!
[19:45]	MinceR	they, too, get eaten
[19:45]	MinceR	which implies killing at least parts of them
[19:45]	DaemonFC[m]	I was reading Wikipedia about that River Phoenix guy. They said he was a vegan, to the point where he went on a date and cried when his girlfriend ordered a crab bisque or something.
[19:46]	DaemonFC[m]	I think that's more indicative of mental illness. 
[19:46]	vZS1	He's just a very committed vegan
[19:46]	DaemonFC[m]	And yes, let's watch what we eat while we do speedballs. Very woke and health conscious.
[19:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Was.... a very committed vegan.
[19:47]	DaemonFC[m]	Dead at 23 because of the speedballs. 
[19:47]	vZS1	Almost everything has some sort of animal byproduct in it
[19:47]	MinceR	i guess he found a solution to the whole problem with killing plants and bacteria
[19:48]	schestowitz	[19:46] <vZS1> He's just a very committed vegan
[19:48]	schestowitz	there is a religion for this
[19:48]	schestowitz	Sam Harris used to mention it a lot
[19:48]	DaemonFC[m]	Jedi Knight
[19:48]	vZS1	I'm sure there is
[19:48]	schestowitz	as example of super-peaceful religion
[19:48]	schestowitz	"janes"
[19:48]	schestowitz	or something like that
[19:48]	MinceR	Jainism?
[19:48]	DaemonFC[m]	Religion is overall not peaceful.
[19:48]	schestowitz	guess so
[19:48]	scientes	> Sam Harris
[19:49]	scientes	geeze
[19:49]	scientes	he has his own religion
[19:49]	scientes	worship of the state
[19:49]	DaemonFC[m]	They can't leave anything alone.
[19:49]	scientes	pretending to think for himself
[19:49]	vZS1	There are a few pretty peaceful ones
[19:49]	vZS1	Like Daoism
[19:50]	schestowitz	anyway, the point he was making was, iirc, Islam is naturally rather ruthless
[19:50]	DaemonFC[m]	Ruthless is......that crazy Filipino cult that says you have to throw out the whole family and shun them if one of them is gay.
[19:51]	DaemonFC[m]	Don't think that there aren't people who will be getting our wedding pictures with Maricel in them if this whole thing hits the shitter.
[19:51]	vZS1	Well
[19:51]	DaemonFC[m]	At court, no less, where they aren't supposed to go.
[19:51]	vZS1	Islam was founded by a military general
[19:51]	vZS1	What do you expect?
[19:51]	schestowitz	DaemonFC[m]: they have people there who crucify THEMSELVES
[19:52]	schestowitz	to impress Mr. InvisibleMan
[19:52]	vZS1	The first Muslims were pretty much all martial (and very good at it)
[19:52]	schestowitz	to impress the girls
[19:52]	schestowitz	under 10 ;-)
[19:53]	scientes	schestowitz, no, the point he was making is that the places that have oil happen to have people already living there
[19:53]	scientes	it is a very simple thought pattern
[19:54]	scientes	Under every rock lurks a politician.
[19:54]	vZS1	I think Sam Harris picked the wrong religion as an example
[19:55]	vZS1	Early Islam was basically all about military expansion
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[19:56]	vZS1	The Rashidun caliphate kicked the Byzantines out of the Middle East and took over North Africa. It was pretty much all about war
[19:59]	schestowitz	territory
[19:59]	schestowitz	TORY
● Dec 26
[20:00]	schestowitz	Make Alphamale Great Again
[20:00]	schestowitz	kill some people
[20:00]	schestowitz	makes you seem "Strong"
[20:00]	schestowitz	if you can't outwit them, kill them
[20:00]	MinceR	last one to die wins
[20:01]	MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpg
[20:01]	schestowitz	stalemate
[20:01]	schestowitz	no mate
[20:01]	schestowitz	no offspring
[20:01]	schestowitz	humans finished
[20:01]	schestowitz	fun
[20:01]	schestowitz	fin
[20:01]	MinceR	indeed
[20:02]	schestowitz	Don't give ideas to TERRORISTS
[20:02]	schestowitz	re  https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpg
[20:03]	schestowitz	every terror plot starts with pizza
[20:04]	scientes	are you fucking kidding me?
[20:04]	scientes	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7fda1175701da9f0.jpg
[20:05]	scientes	I am at a loss for words
[20:05]	vZS1	You see, they try their best to make sure kids don't read the source material (bible etc.)
[20:05]	vZS1	It's not easy to explain why things like infanticide are good
[20:06]	vZS1	Or repeated genocide
[20:06]	scientes	yeah, but making pizza illegal?
[20:07]	vZS1	Pretty ironic when you think about it
[20:11]	schestowitz	pizza is rich in iron?
[20:12]		Sajesajama schestowitz schestowitz_log scientes search_social siel_ smnthermes swaggboi 
[20:12]	schestowitz	scientes: us bans kinder surprises...
[20:12]	schestowitz	I think it's the basis that stuff can be swallowed
[20:12]	schestowitz	but they vend rifled over the counter... with ammo
[20:12]	schestowitz	*rifles
[20:13]	scientes	swallow a grater?
[20:13]	schestowitz	it's hard to swallow a rifle
[20:13]	schestowitz	maybe a tiny tiny barbie rifle would be banned
[20:13]	vZS1	Come shop at Walmart
[20:13]	schestowitz	scientes: no, that stuff inside the Kinder chocolate egg
[20:14]	vZS1	Get an AR-15 with your gallon of milk
[20:14]	schestowitz	the germans didn't get enough lobbyists like NRA
[20:14]	schestowitz	"excuse me, sir, where are you going WITH THAT MILK?"
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[20:31]	schestowitz	http://www.zenwalk.org/2020/12/pipewire-replaces-pulseaudio-in-zenwalk.html
[20:31]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zenwalk.org | Zenwalk GNU Linux: Pipewire replaces Pulseaudio in Zenwalk
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[20:59]	MinceR	(cat) (audio:important) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/19/0284f4e34972ef10.mp4
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[20:59]	vZS1	Was pretty encouraging
[20:59]	vZS1	Until I read
[20:59]	vZS1	> Alongside Wayland and Flatpak
● Dec 26
[21:00]	scientes2	typical day in Russia https://youtu.be/1IZo5WDxpgM
[21:00]		-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Aparece un ro de sangre en Rusia causado por una granja de truchas - YouTube
[21:01]	XRevan86	
[21:03]	XRevan86	kisel shores
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[21:31]	mjg59	
[21:32]	schestowitz	metoo
[21:46]	DaemonFC[m]	Alex St. John was at Microsoft for decades and has a much more reprehensible set of opinions than anything I've ever seen in the Free Software world.
[21:47]	DaemonFC[m]	He's also quite, quite wrong about nothing beating youth for creativity. Intel has a well documented history of Logan's Run hiring and firing, and what it got them was Skylake. An architecture so buggy and broken and impossible to properly manage power consumption on that it singlehandedly lost them several of their most important clients.
[21:49]	DaemonFC[m]	It took them years to mostly dig out of that mess, and they're not the 800 pound gorilla anymore where they release bad stuff like the Pentium 4 Netburst architecture and you're just stuck using it anyway.
[21:50]	DaemonFC[m]	That entire architecture was about jacking up clock speed as high as possible even though the execution pipeline was so inefficient that the clock rate hardly mattered anymore other than forcing OEMs to contrive heat ducts to keep the computer from crashing all the time, even with budget CPUs.
● Dec 26
[22:00]	DaemonFC[m]	Intel would get better results from older employees if it retained them because they would remember mistakes that were made and be less inclined to repeat them.
[22:01]	DaemonFC[m]	I'd say their hiring practices are a big factor in their current situation where their customers are piling through the exit door and it leaves lawyers barking about how they'll sue everyone with the patents if they move to ARM and try to implement backwards compatibility. 
[22:01]	Ariadne	i think we can agree that shitty people are hired by technology companies to work on technology, FOSS or otherwise
[22:01]	DaemonFC[m]	Would a company that made terrific products be in this predicament? Certainly not.
[22:02]	Ariadne	anyway intel sucks for many reasons
[22:02]	Ariadne	i look forward to x86 dying
[22:02]	Ariadne	ARM stuff is way more open
[22:02]	DaemonFC[m]	Microsoft management had to lean on Alex St. John to get rid of the radiation symbol and stop referring to DirectX as the "Manhattan Project", because they did both as jabs against Japanese companies and their gaming consoles.
[22:03]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean, really it was uncalled for, referring to events that cost perhaps 200,000 people their lives as some sort of in joke. 
[22:04]	DaemonFC[m]	They've been far less sensitive than BIG BOOBIES. They've directly referenced slaughter as a war crime as a joke in their products before. 
[22:06]	DaemonFC[m]	The nuclear attacks against Japan are indefensible as warfare under international law because they violated the principle of proportionality. That is, that warring states have an obligation to directly attack military targets and to minimize civilian harm. It was Total War, which is precisely what the Geneva Conventions were supposed to outlaw. 
[22:08]	DaemonFC[m]	I don't think there was as much will for Imperial Japan to persist as revisionist history suggests in order to justify the bombings.
[22:09]	DaemonFC[m]	Their military was more or less destroyed. A naval blockade would have eventually caused them to surrender. 
[22:09]	DaemonFC[m]	In the US Civil War, the naval blockades of the south were highly effective.
[22:10]	DaemonFC[m]	Eventually they can't get anything in or out and there are no supplies for the war effort, the economy fails, and that's the end of that.
[22:13]	DaemonFC[m]	Anyway, one of the more offensive parts of Alex St. John's recruiting memo was that women are all lazing about the house waiting for the husband to bring home a paycheck so they can spend it all and that all men are going to make their career choices based on orders from her. 
[22:13]	DaemonFC[m]	A healthy relationship does not have one partner screaming and barking orders at the other one, and in the case of Mandy's sister, she does do that to her husband, to the point where she ordered him to come out to our place of residence and stalk us last year.
[22:14]	DaemonFC[m]	And you should have seen the look on his face when I came back around in my car and stared at him.
[22:16]	DaemonFC[m]	She's big on scheming and lawbreaking and personally I think we'll be better off without her tied to any of this anyway.
[22:16]	DaemonFC[m]	Relationship dynamics are bizarre and complex. 
[22:17]	DaemonFC[m]	I mean, really, if you're fighting about things every day then why are you even still married?
[22:18]	DaemonFC[m]	schestowitz: I can tell you some of the lessons I've learned. One of them being I'm never signing financing documents for a car again.
[22:18]	DaemonFC[m]	If I can't pay a cash price for one, nope, not doing it. Even if I have to ride the bus for a few months.
[22:19]	DaemonFC[m]	I'm glad that John finally pushed me into bankruptcy, the final push anyway, when he did.
[22:19]	DaemonFC[m]	He thought he'd just skip payments and they'd levy my bank account for a car he was driving in another state.
[22:19]	DaemonFC[m]	Nope nope.... As soon as I filed the bankruptcy papers, he started making the payments again.
[22:23]	DaemonFC[m]	Mom said she polled the women she worked with and more than half of them do not have joint bank accounts with their husbands and most of them don't have access into each other's phones.
[22:23]	DaemonFC[m]	Almost no married couples in this country would make it past an immigration officer, were they not already citizens.
[22:35]	MinceR	https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/7741835e8e9639b2.png
● Dec 26
[23:28]	vZS1	Nuking civilians is fine
[23:28]	vZS1	As long as you're the USA
[23:28]	vZS1	Saint FDR could do no wrong
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