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| DaemonFC[m] | I verified my wallet with Uphold. | Feb 27 00:53 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I can put BATs in there as USD now. | Feb 27 00:53 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caulis#Latin | Feb 27 00:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | caulis - Wiktionary | Feb 27 00:56 | |
| scientes | nice | Feb 27 00:56 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> What was wrong with them Romans? | Feb 27 00:56 |
| scientes | eveerything | Feb 27 00:56 |
| scientes | XRevan86, also that is a greek word, not latin | Feb 27 00:57 |
| scientes | From Proto-Indo-European *keh₂u-l-i. Cognate with Ancient Greek καυλός (kaulós, “stem”), Latvian kauls.[1] | Feb 27 00:57 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Cognate != from | Feb 27 00:58 |
| scientes | oh I see, the romans added the penis definition | Feb 27 00:58 |
| scientes | yeah, капу́ста doesn't mean penis | Feb 27 00:59 |
| scientes | so I see what you mean | Feb 27 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | It makes me wonder what they didn't add a penis definition to. | Feb 27 00:59 |
| XRevan86 | Even the word "penis" just means "tail". | Feb 27 01:00 |
| scientes | oh really | Feb 27 01:00 |
| scientes | that's interesting | Feb 27 01:00 |
| scientes | I knew what toilet meant, but not that one | Feb 27 01:00 |
| scientes | I've gleaned cauliflower before | Feb 27 01:00 |
| scientes | that mustard family sure is diverse | Feb 27 01:01 |
| scientes | (and it is also called "rapeseed" in English) | Feb 27 01:01 |
| scientes | so I guess English has the same problem :) | Feb 27 01:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Regarding капуста Romans probably implied the stem meaning when using "caulis" for penis, not cabbage. | Feb 27 01:02 |
| scientes | but does that mean the stem of every mustard family plant | Feb 27 01:03 |
| scientes | or only specifically cabbage stems | Feb 27 01:03 |
| scientes | or the stems of all plants? | Feb 27 01:03 |
| scientes | in English, it says it also became an architecture term | Feb 27 01:03 |
| scientes | for classical architecture | Feb 27 01:03 |
| XRevan86 | Meanwhile капуста does have another jargon meaning: money, especially dollars. | Feb 27 01:05 |
| scientes | XRevan86, oh that one is good, thanks for telling me that one | Feb 27 01:05 |
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| XRevan86 | Especially in a phrase стричь капусту – to cut the cabbages | Feb 27 01:05 |
| scientes | I've read National Geographic about traveling medical trains in remote siberia, and the patients often bring pickled cabbage to the doctors out of gratitude | Feb 27 01:06 |
| scientes | which kinda supports what you are saying | Feb 27 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | Pickled cabbage? Is that a thing? | Feb 27 01:06 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that is what sour kraut is | Feb 27 01:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Ah, right %) | Feb 27 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | Didn't think with my thinker for a moment there. | Feb 27 01:07 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't think that's related. | Feb 27 01:08 |
| scientes | and here in Georgia cabbage is also quite cheap | Feb 27 01:08 |
| scientes | similar culture | Feb 27 01:08 |
| XRevan86 | For one thing it's not green %). | Feb 27 01:08 |
| scientes | and when I was in Gori (birthplace of Stalin) there were big colored advertisemenets for farm implamenets, with cabbage being the most prized crop | Feb 27 01:09 |
| scientes | XRevan86, do you know what U.S. money is green? | Feb 27 01:09 |
| scientes | *why | Feb 27 01:09 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No. | Feb 27 01:09 |
| scientes | in the 18th century, green ink was the most expensive | Feb 27 01:10 |
| scientes | that is at least what I heard, and it makes sense | Feb 27 01:10 |
| XRevan86 | And here I thought the most expensive colour was violet… | Feb 27 01:11 |
| scientes | you mean the purple togas? | Feb 27 01:11 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: That too. | Feb 27 01:11 |
| scientes | My friend was telling me about the red lead paint, and how stuff never grows on it. | Feb 27 01:12 |
| scientes | And it has a distinct color----red lead is a darker, browner red than Fe+3. | Feb 27 01:12 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, purple togas were probably also a way to try to get people to *not* wear expensive imported chinese silk | Feb 27 01:13 |
| scientes | cause rome (and greece) always had a serious problem with money leaking to china | Feb 27 01:13 |
| scientes | and never coming back | Feb 27 01:13 |
| scientes | seems familiar....... | Feb 27 01:13 |
| XRevan86 | Except the core nature of money has changed since then. | Feb 27 01:19 |
| XRevan86 | I guess the amount of euphemisms for penis in Latin can be a sign that the Romans were squeamish about it. | Feb 27 01:22 |
| XRevan86 | Which is interesting considering what is usually remembered about them. | Feb 27 01:23 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: As an example of euphemismisation I like the Slavic word medvied', which is a compound word. | Feb 27 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There used to be this review website called Epinions during the dotcom boom. | Feb 27 01:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Apparently Slavic used to have a word for bears that is cognate to "urso", but because bears were a sacred animal the word was taboo, and then fell out of use. Now there's no trace of it except in sister languages. | Feb 27 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They just used a simple penny per click model, so I'd write a bunch of short reviews and then I made a thing to keep clearing the cookies and click the reload button on random reviews. | Feb 27 01:27 |
| XRevan86 | And instead the Slavs made a new word consisting of "honey" and "know". | Feb 27 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Ended up making about $500 that way before anyone figured it out and cut off my account. | Feb 27 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not bad for a 16 year old. | Feb 27 01:27 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> I guess the amount of euphemisms for penis in Latin can be a sign that the Romans were squeamish about it. | Feb 27 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They responded to that by logging IP address and rate limiting how much money you could earn that way. | Feb 27 01:28 |
| scientes | well they did worship Venus as their primary god, who was concerned and curious with childbirth | Feb 27 01:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So I taught them a $500 lesson and had the money before anyone figured it out. | Feb 27 01:29 |
| scientes | CÆSER rebuilt the second temple of Venus righ tnext to the colliseum | Feb 27 01:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Why would that make the topic uncomfortable? | Feb 27 01:29 |
| scientes | XRevan86, it wouldn't, I am just saying that it is in a similar vein | Feb 27 01:30 |
| scientes | childbirth in these days, especially first childbirth, was extremely dangerous | Feb 27 01:30 |
| scientes | and women were rightfully very scared | Feb 27 01:31 |
| XRevan86 | … so they were afraid to call by name the possible instrument of their suffering and death? %) | Feb 27 01:32 |
| scientes | possibly | Feb 27 01:33 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Venus_and_Roma | Feb 27 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Temple of Venus and Roma - Wikipedia | Feb 27 01:35 | |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Venus_and_Roma#/media/File:Temple_of_Venus_and_Roma_(14819291950).jpg | Feb 27 01:36 |
| scientes | not much left of it these days | Feb 27 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Temple of Venus and Roma - Wikipedia | Feb 27 01:36 | |
| scientes | oh, maybe that is the 3rd temple to venus, I swear Julius Cæser built one also | Feb 27 01:36 |
| scientes | I saw a exhibition of stuff from Naples when I was at the LA municipal museum | Feb 27 01:38 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: About that cabbage money jargon I forgot to point out that the context it's used in is mostly lucrative opportunities. You know, easy money. | Feb 27 01:40 |
| scientes | yeah, I kinda got that | Feb 27 01:40 |
| scientes | that is why I mentioned that farmers around here seem to hold cabbage in the highest esteem | Feb 27 01:41 |
| scientes | my Russian girlfriend said the same | Feb 27 01:41 |
| scientes | when she decried how expensive cabbage was | Feb 27 01:41 |
| scientes | south american diet is more beans and rice and corn (particularly the starch-heavy native corn) | Feb 27 01:42 |
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| scientes | when I was in the bus from Moquegua to Puno we stopped in a remote....village (hardly that), and bought a meal of small purple carrots, that starchy corn, and pork | Feb 27 01:43 |
| scientes | and there were also wild alpacas there | Feb 27 01:43 |
| scientes | they have this ingenious invention, whereby they have these highly colorful shawls, and they use them also as backpacks | Feb 27 01:44 |
| scientes | its genius because their backpacks are also their blankets | Feb 27 01:45 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It's probably more visual than anything else – a cabbage head can be looked at as at a bunch of slips like dollar banknotes. | Feb 27 01:45 |
| scientes | XRevan86, well yes, I was also making note of that, from when I gleaned not cabbage, but a cabbage-family coliflower | Feb 27 01:46 |
| *scientes is curious how it gained the rapeseed name in English | Feb 27 01:46 | |
| scientes | also high in omega-6 IIRC | Feb 27 01:47 |
| scientes | The term "rape" derives from the Latin word for turnip, rapa or rapum, cognate with the Greek word hrapys.[2] | Feb 27 01:47 |
| scientes | ahhh, so same word as Harpy | Feb 27 01:47 |
| scientes | those irritating nymphs | Feb 27 01:47 |
| XRevan86 | Millions of N (roubles, dollars) are sometimes called lemons, I bet not from high appreciation for citruses ;) | Feb 27 01:47 |
| scientes | We also have this great idiom in English: "you can't juice a turnip" | Feb 27 01:48 |
| XRevan86 | (миллион, лимон) | Feb 27 01:49 |
| scientes | XRevan86, well do citruses grow in *any* part of Russia? | Feb 27 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | * (миллио́н, лимо́н) | Feb 27 01:49 |
| scientes | they certainly grow in Georgia, but that is not exactly Russia | Feb 27 01:49 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yes | Feb 27 01:49 |
| scientes | (although I have a picture of an excellent painting of the Cossak invasion of Tblisi) | Feb 27 01:50 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: And as far as I understand, lemons aren't that picky. | Feb 27 01:51 |
| scientes | I have quite a few of them here | Feb 27 01:51 |
| scientes | I was making ice cubes out of lemon water | Feb 27 01:51 |
| scientes | XRevan86, very common in San Francisco, same in San Jose, Costa Rica | Feb 27 01:52 |
| scientes | while in Georgia, it is usually wine grapes on personal trellises | Feb 27 01:52 |
| scientes | and that goes *way* back, with archaeological finds that have grape themes: Dionysus | Feb 27 01:53 |
| XRevan86 | And Russia has a rye theme %) | Feb 27 01:53 |
| scientes | What do you mean? | Feb 27 01:54 |
| scientes | like, I like rye, but it is quite uncommon in my homeland | Feb 27 01:54 |
| scientes | I also like pumpernickle | Feb 27 01:54 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: The first thing that came to my mind when I started to think about signature foods | Feb 27 01:55 |
| scientes | yeah, but I'm curious what you are making of the rye | Feb 27 01:55 |
| XRevan86 | bread, kvass, okroshka… | Feb 27 01:55 |
| scientes | like the U.S. emblem is a bald eagle holding arrows in its right hand, and a olive leaf in its left hand | Feb 27 01:55 |
| scientes | <XRevan86> bread, kvass, okroshka… | Feb 27 01:56 |
| scientes | I don't know these words | Feb 27 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Especially the word "bread" | Feb 27 01:56 |
| XRevan86 | bread is khlieb, 🍞 | Feb 27 01:57 |
| scientes | ahhhh | Feb 27 01:57 |
| scientes | that is Hebrew | Feb 27 01:57 |
| scientes | nananana, I'm confused | Feb 27 01:57 |
| scientes | you just transliterated, and I am confused | Feb 27 01:57 |
| XRevan86 | hehehe | Feb 27 01:57 |
| scientes | I much prefer to not read Russian in Latin | Feb 27 01:58 |
| scientes | its highly confusing | Feb 27 01:58 |
| XRevan86 | Sometimes it allows me to abstract away from Russian to common Slavic | Feb 27 01:58 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbVifPkbYsk | Feb 27 02:00 |
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| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYDiggEp-hw | Feb 27 02:01 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Isn't it strange that the first report of the two is the more subtle one? | Feb 27 02:06 |
| scientes | "I think we are probably going to do them in my basement." | Feb 27 02:08 |
| scientes | XRevan86, you mean that one? ^ | Feb 27 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: yes | Feb 27 02:08 |
| XRevan86 | *more* subtle, not subtle :) | Feb 27 02:09 |
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| scientes | "United Russia’s makeover As" | Feb 27 02:31 |
| scientes | "United Russia’s makeover" | Feb 27 02:31 |
| scientes | ^ that subtle? | Feb 27 02:31 |
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| roys | yes, I saw the same... | Feb 27 05:20 |
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| scientes | MinceR, i should try that | Feb 27 13:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 27 13:07 |
| scientes | just go into the deli, and cough on all the food | Feb 27 13:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 27 13:07 |
| scientes | and then see if they let you take it for free | Feb 27 13:07 |
| MinceR | what could possibly go wrong? | Feb 27 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | heartland = hearless | Feb 27 13:35 |
| schestowitz | heartless | Feb 27 13:35 |
| schestowitz | (also earless) | Feb 27 13:36 |
| schestowitz | eats money | Feb 27 13:36 |
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| oiaohm | https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/02/first-amendment-doesnt-apply-on-youtube-judges-reject-prageru-lawsuit/ this is interesting. | Feb 27 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | First Amendment doesn’t apply on YouTube; judges reject PragerU lawsuit | Ars Technica | Feb 27 16:20 | |
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| MinceR | (cat) (audio:important) https://i.imgur.com/F3bVGPi.mp4 | Feb 27 16:37 |
| roys | even rianne loved it... | Feb 27 16:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Stock market correcting faster than 2008. | Feb 27 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Feb 27 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Burn baby burn. | Feb 27 17:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only rich people own a lot of stock anyway. | Feb 27 18:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people under Trump are lucky to have a minimum wage job and a car that hardly works. | Feb 27 18:05 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Boss Hogg should hope that we don't end up in the middle of a Depression or a Democratic Socialist won't look so bad come November. | Feb 27 18:28 |
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| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gDQZNayxgPmPXFzytssRvefg > | Feb 27 19:28 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | That movie was so stupid anyway. Roarke was being blackmailed with threats against his dead wife who the island kept killing and bringing back and it was literally mentioned in the movie how ridiculous it was for him to allow it to keep happening, much less being blackmailed by the threat of that bitch blowing up the heart of the island to keep it going. | Feb 27 19:29 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty bad when a movie literally brings up how stupid the plot is, in the movie. | Feb 27 19:30 |
| MinceR | it can be funny | Feb 27 19:31 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I paired down that comment for a Toot. | Feb 27 19:42 |
| *DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WpHLbwKfHjcbJGVcyJCBbGrl > | Feb 27 19:42 | |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/ZSr5nRP.png | Feb 27 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How is Brave under the MPL 2.0 if the source code for Chromium is under various licenses, including the LGPL? | Feb 27 19:46 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Feb 27 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It is faster than Vivaldi+ublock-origin. | Feb 27 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Noticeable even on my very slow hotel wifi. | Feb 27 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If they could make the UI more like Vivaldi's I'd love it. | Feb 27 19:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brave offered to install Riot as a desktop app. | Feb 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I did. This is kind of cool. | Feb 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: The GNU project seems to be less important all the time. | Feb 27 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Big companies have worked their way around it mostly by developing drop in replacements that are just as functional. | Feb 27 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I feel like it's on borrowed time anyway at this point. | Feb 27 19:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GPL 3 seems to have done more harm than good. | Feb 27 19:53 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 27 19:54 |
| MinceR | the FSF gave up on it | Feb 27 19:54 |
| MinceR | not sure about GPLv3 | Feb 27 19:54 |
| MinceR | it could have done much good if Linux adopted it | Feb 27 19:55 |
| MinceR | but i guess it was already under too much corporate control | Feb 27 19:55 |
| MinceR | and in any case, GPL violators keep getting away unpunished | Feb 27 19:55 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: If GPLv3 had been around in 1991, Linux probably would use it. | Feb 27 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But since Linux has never required copyright assignment, it's a licensing mess that's stuck on GPLv2 anyway regardless of what Torvalds wants. | Feb 27 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only about half says GPLv2 or later. | Feb 27 19:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Regardless of Linus' "GPLv3, meh", Linux could not have adopted it, so it's all in the hypotheticals. | Feb 27 19:59 |
| MinceR | also, in the end it's not patents that ended up killing Linux, but corporate crybullies | Feb 27 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And you might get that up to 80% if you asked for permission from every single author. | Feb 27 19:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But some would say no. Others are dead now | Feb 27 20:00 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: they could have pushed toward it, they could have adopted dual licensing for all new parts | Feb 27 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They accept GPLv2+, but they stil l don't require it. | Feb 27 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And then whose job is to track what part's what? | Feb 27 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So most people don't. | Feb 27 20:00 |
| MinceR | they could have required it | Feb 27 20:00 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it sounds like a job for software. | Feb 27 20:00 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: git blame already does part of the job | Feb 27 20:01 |
| MinceR | maybe all of it, for all i know | Feb 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GPLv2 ended up being very easy to isolate and contain. See: Android and Chrome OS. | Feb 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And now it looks like Google wants to get rid of Linux completely at some point. | Feb 27 20:01 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | <MinceR "also, in the end it's not patent"> not really but the architecture that linus build for linux foundation and the lack of strong ethical values by linus | Feb 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fuschia OS. | Feb 27 20:01 |
| MinceR | understandable, seeing how microshit bought control over it | Feb 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't spend money developing something like that without a plan to use it commercially. | Feb 27 20:01 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC[m]: Well, I guess if subprojects are divided then it can be done | Feb 27 20:01 |
| MinceR | though google could maintain a Linux fork if they really cared | Feb 27 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fuschia is interesting and you could still support a Linux container on it. | Feb 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they could swap it out and most people wouldn't notice. | Feb 27 20:02 |
| MinceR | VASTfreedomBot[m: that's the other side of the same thing, it seems (like patents vs patent licensing) | Feb 27 20:02 |
| MinceR | well, licensing in general | Feb 27 20:02 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | Licensing could help but the issue is lack of knowlegde and that being propgated through ego. | Feb 27 20:05 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | opensource is basically the same as freesoftware but on a higher level and without the lower knowledge of the bases of etthical issues | Feb 27 20:06 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | the reason opensource is more productive is because people when exercising full freedom will become more productive | Feb 27 20:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brave isn't creepy like other browsers tend to be. | Feb 27 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably the only one that's less questionable than Brave is GNOME Web. | Feb 27 20:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was not surprised to see that Edge is even worse than Chrome. | Feb 27 20:07 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | So all that discussion of licensing is a bit nonsense if your focus is advancement of socity | Feb 27 20:07 |
| *XRevan86 records: Falkon is more questionable than Brave | Feb 27 20:07 | |
| XRevan86 | Midori is more questionable than Brave | Feb 27 20:07 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | <DaemonFC[m] "Probably the only one that's les"> or all other | Feb 27 20:07 |
| MinceR | linkx ftw | Feb 27 20:08 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | XUL basred browser | Feb 27 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | qutebrowser is more questionable than Brave. | Feb 27 20:08 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | Basilic hyperbola iceweasel | Feb 27 20:08 |
| MinceR | the questionable parts of qutebrowser are "will qt5 even build?", "will qutebrowser even launch?" and "will qutebrowser render this tab?" :> | Feb 27 20:08 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | DaemonFC: brave is a bit questionable being based of chromium | Feb 27 20:09 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | <MinceR "the questionable parts of qutebr"> never look into qutebrowser is it webkit/KHTML based | Feb 27 20:10 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | ? | Feb 27 20:10 |
| MinceR | no, it's qt5/qtwebengine(blink) based | Feb 27 20:10 |
| MinceR | and, unfortunately, Qt Quick | Feb 27 20:10 |
| MinceR | (give up trying to render anything at all Quickly) | Feb 27 20:10 |
| MinceR | (why try falling back to software rendering if you can just quit and complain that you don't like the GPU?) | Feb 27 20:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The Qt WebEngine is ridiculous. | Feb 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They claim they have LTS builds of Chromium, which doesn't do LTS because it's not something Google is interested in. | Feb 27 20:12 |
| MinceR | the really ridiculous part is building not 1, but 2 browsers into a gui toolkit | Feb 27 20:12 |
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| MinceR | so you have to update your gui toolkit if any of them has a security update | Feb 27 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: There isn't two | Feb 27 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they backport CVEs, which means that they might not be backporting all security patches because not all of them get CVEs. | Feb 27 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Like I said to you already, QtWebKit is removed. | Feb 27 20:13 |
| MinceR | there definitely were two in the version i was attempting to install via sbopkg | Feb 27 20:13 |
| MinceR | (and failed) | Feb 27 20:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The only reason you can use QtWebKit is because it's a third-party project now. | Feb 27 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | CVEs might only mean about half of the actual vulnerabilities, which is why if you cherry pick CVEs from Linux for backport, you're only fixing half the problem. | Feb 27 20:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why would Chromium be any different as part of the Qt WebEngine? | Feb 27 20:13 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | the other day was looking into netsurf engine looks interesting | Feb 27 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It is but it's not. | Feb 27 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's clear from the commit history that they'll never catch up with all of this bullshit that websites are using. | Feb 27 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not even close. | Feb 27 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 6 years ago, Netsurf actually rendered about 80% of the sites I pointed it at, although usually with problems that didn't completely ruin them. | Feb 27 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now it's more like 15-20%. | Feb 27 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The web platform is moving further away from HTML and CSS as we knew them. | Feb 27 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The market collapse has little to do with Coronavirus. | Feb 27 20:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was primed for collapse by years of funny money and tulip mania. | Feb 27 20:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The media is blaming Coronavirus because it won't acknowledge the horrible shit that Trump has dne to prop up the fake stock market. | Feb 27 20:19 |
| XRevan86 | https://meduza.io/en/news/2020/02/27/defendant-in-controversial-terrorism-case-says-murder-allegations-reported-by-meduza-are-insane Meduza got itself a scandal for publishing some questionable material on the Penza case. | Feb 27 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Feb 27 20:31 | |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | <DaemonFC[m] "The media is blaming Coronavirus"> and the begining of the fall of capitalism has he know it. Lack of regulation, small state presence and most importantly coruption, and not small game coruption but the one from mega corporations | Feb 27 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | And the Russian state media loved it. | Feb 27 20:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | As they say, the tower is tall but the fall is short. | Feb 27 20:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The S&P 500 just fell below 3,000. | Feb 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's crumbling as we speak. | Feb 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's given up more than half the gains made under Trump in 5 days. | Feb 27 20:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Down another 4% today. | Feb 27 20:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The virus was just the last straw, really. | Feb 27 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I mean you can't sell people things when the last shipments for who knows how long are on ships right now. | Feb 27 20:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So they're finally looking past what happens in the next 6 months. | Feb 27 20:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The drug money in the world banking system might have been the only reason it didn't collapse. | Feb 27 21:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | But you can easily store it in bitcoins or something now, which didn't exist back then. | Feb 27 21:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So deposit accounts don't have the guarantee of all that drug money sitting there waiting to be laundered. | Feb 27 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Drug lords can still run cash business and convert crypto to USD and stick it in the cash register as they need it and skip the banks. | Feb 27 21:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The IRS doesn't give a shit where the money came from as long as taxes get paid and the government will come down on you for unpaid taxes faster and harder than anything else. | Feb 27 21:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anything. | Feb 27 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They got Capone and they'll get you too, so smart criminals pay their taxes and come up with a believable story about where the money might have came from. | Feb 27 21:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's some restaurant franchisees who run them at a loss to stuff their cash registers with illegal money and then pay their taxes on it, so they need workers who will shut up and never go to the police over anything. | Feb 27 21:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like all of those "undocumented people". | Feb 27 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Breaking Bad, Gus Fring showed this on TV. | Feb 27 21:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The laundromat superlab was staffed by illegals who were paid an insane amount of money to not see anything that happened there. | Feb 27 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the fried chicken franchise provided a money laundering business. | Feb 27 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'll be honest. If you told me to work in a laundromat and oh by the way here's $100 an hour to not see anything that happens. I'd work in a laundromat and not see anything. | Feb 27 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hell, $50. | Feb 27 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have a pretty libertarian view on drugs anyway. Pot is harmless and people always find a way to get things. | Feb 27 21:11 |
| MinceR | some of the most harmful drugs are legal | Feb 27 21:11 |
| MinceR | ethanol, tobacco | Feb 27 21:11 |
| MinceR | also, prohibition didn't work | Feb 27 21:11 |
| MinceR | neither does the War on Drugs | Feb 27 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The control we have overbit is how regulated it is, some control over the setting in which people use, and how much tax revebue and violent crime there will be. | Feb 27 21:12 |
| MinceR | might as well stop regulating this aspect of people's lives | Feb 27 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | * over it | Feb 27 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would say tax it, regulate it, and accept that it happens. | Feb 27 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Illinois moved that direction on weed. | Feb 27 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I don't think prostitution should be illegal either. Where do these stupid idiots think all this amateur porn comes from. | Feb 27 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You can't say here's $100 to have sex with me, but you can say here's $100 to have sex with me while my buddy Dave is over in the corner filming it for the entire internet to watch. | Feb 27 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because that's totally better. | Feb 27 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a aite with prostitutes advertising all over America and it seems most of them want $200-$400 an hour. It's whatever the market will tolerate like any other commodity. | Feb 27 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state should just legalize it, honestly, and regulate it. | Feb 27 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw some of them saying girlfriend/boyfriend experience, and it seems like risking HIV for $800 is a little bit om the low side of acceptable. | Feb 27 21:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR I suppose since they'll get on a govt program once they catch it and never see the $3,000 a month they cost taxpayers, it doesn't register. | Feb 27 21:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The govt continues to make the HIV thing worse by intentionally limiting the people who can get access to modern preventive medicine. | Feb 27 21:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Needle exchanges are something that generally doesn't happen here because they saybit would encourage people to shoot up. I can't figure out how that works, exactly. | Feb 27 21:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *Saying it | Feb 27 21:23 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I would not start shooting heroin because there was a needle exchange. I can't imagine who would. | Feb 27 21:23 |
| VASTfreedomBot[m | <DaemonFC[m] "I have a pretty libertarian view"> I dont believe is healthy to categorize yourself everything is temporary, you might feel "libertarian" but your will never be a "libertarian". | Feb 27 21:28 |
| MinceR | "liberal" and "libertarian" have both been hijacked already anyway | Feb 27 21:29 |
| MinceR | for authoritarian causes | Feb 27 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, if Elon Musk can be a progressive libertarian Trumper, why can't anyone? | Feb 27 21:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 27 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, when he says he likes basic income he doesn't mean taking it from productive people and giving it to people who do nothing. | Feb 27 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even though everyone would get basic income regardless of what they do, by definition. | Feb 27 21:35 |
| MinceR | you mean when he says he likes basic income, he actually means he doesn't like basic income? | Feb 27 21:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He already has Basic Income. The government gives him basically all his income. | Feb 27 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then he hires people to make EVs that can't sell at the real price without subsidies and exploding rockets. | Feb 27 21:36 |
| MinceR | that's not basic income | Feb 27 21:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Yes no. *nods and shakes head* | Feb 27 21:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 27 21:37 |
| *MinceR makes indian headshake | Feb 27 21:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | What he means is he doesn't know whether he smokes marijuana or not since he found out the Air Force doesn't contract with potheads. | Feb 27 21:38 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 27 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says he doesn't know how to smoke marijuana. Which means that the government is basically doing business with a guy who cant pinch, roll, and set a joint on fire, if we take him literally. | Feb 27 21:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Even as a useless rich guy who pays people to figure stuff out....you can go pay $10 for a joint that someone else rolled at the dispensary. | Feb 27 21:41 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | That way it's just light and inhale. Elon can figure it out from there I hope or the government is giving rocket contract to a guy who can't figure that out. | Feb 27 21:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For fucks sake. If you can't figure out how to take a bunch of weed and roll it, you can put it in a bong or a pipe. | Feb 27 21:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not rocket science. People who smoke marijuana can do it. | Feb 27 21:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He says it makes him unproductive and not care about things. By that measure, the government should pass it out for free. Sure the economy will finish collapsing but Trump will coast to re-election. | Feb 27 21:44 |
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| CrystalMath | i don't like marijuana | Feb 27 22:01 |
| CrystalMath | i only like drugs that help me work 55 hours a day | Feb 27 22:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In a Tesla assembly tent? 😁 | Feb 27 22:44 |
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| CrystalMath | will work 4 coke | Feb 27 23:57 |
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