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| MinceR | (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/02/02/37963a9ff4d3e9bf.jpg | Mar 27 07:55 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7UqhDs8zj4 | Mar 27 08:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Monty Python - I'd like to buy a hearing aid - YouTube | Mar 27 08:10 | |
| scientes | hehe | Mar 27 08:13 |
| scientes | the blind optician | Mar 27 08:13 |
| scientes | and the deaf hearing aid salesman | Mar 27 08:13 |
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| scientes | https://youtu.be/Eaa3lADTlTQ?t=9809 | Mar 27 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ULA Atlas V AEHF-6 Launch from Cape Canaveral - 26 March 2020 - YouTube | Mar 27 11:01 | |
| scientes | gets to mach 4 in 1 minute | Mar 27 11:01 |
| scientes | hell of a rocket | Mar 27 11:02 |
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| scientes | where do the hell do thos things they just knock off go? | Mar 27 11:05 |
| scientes | I guess thats why the fly it over the ocean in Floridia? | Mar 27 11:05 |
| scientes | maybe they are trying to hit Cuba ;) | Mar 27 11:05 |
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| scientes | This Colombian band has all these songs that are straight out of the Odyssey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZueYnZFggoQ | Mar 27 11:37 |
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| scientes | Sirens ^ | Mar 27 11:38 |
| scientes | Calypso https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szeA9tvItJY | Mar 27 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Morat - Cuando Nadie Ve - YouTube | Mar 27 11:38 | |
| scientes | Penelope and Telemachus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oeD2m2UQAI | Mar 27 11:38 |
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| scientes | the soviet love for big things never amazes me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m79UO4HOQmc | Mar 27 12:58 |
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| XRevan86 | > the soviet love for big things never amazes me | Mar 27 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Tough crowd :) | Mar 27 13:01 |
| scientes | *ceases to amaze me | Mar 27 13:02 |
| scientes | ha, you got me | Mar 27 13:02 |
| scientes | https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/ | Mar 27 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-what-if.xkcd.com | Machine Gun Jetpack | Mar 27 13:02 | |
| scientes | This thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-6-30 | Mar 27 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-6-30 - Wikipedia | Mar 27 13:03 | |
| scientes | the gun with so much kick-back (AND they mounted it on an aircraft) that it would destroy whoever fired it | Mar 27 13:03 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Pounds this, pounds that, annoying | Mar 27 13:53 |
| scientes | ? | Mar 27 13:54 |
| XRevan86 | > Since the AK-47 weighs only 10.5 pounds when loaded, it will be able to take off and accelerate upward. | Mar 27 13:54 |
| scientes | ahhhh | Mar 27 13:54 |
| scientes | yes, he worked for NASA | Mar 27 13:54 |
| scientes | and all the US contractors use weird imperial units | Mar 27 13:54 |
| scientes | like deci-inches | Mar 27 13:54 |
| XRevan86 | You'd think that at least sciency stuff won't use that crap | Mar 27 13:54 |
| scientes | ^^^^what I said | Mar 27 13:54 |
| scientes | XRevan86, especially since he is just saying it weighs 5 kg | Mar 27 13:55 |
| scientes | and it was a russian design, so no imperial units | Mar 27 13:55 |
| scientes | *soviet design | Mar 27 13:56 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I thought that after that gross miscalculation NASA knew better | Mar 27 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | but apparently, habit is stronger than reason | Mar 27 13:58 |
| scientes | well my information comes from many decades ago | Mar 27 13:58 |
| scientes | it could have changed | Mar 27 13:59 |
| scientes | and certainly for ISS it has, as that is totally dependent on Soviet stuff | Mar 27 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: It still shows that even xkcd uses imperial units | Mar 27 13:59 |
| scientes | hard to call it Russian even now as it is in Kazakstan | Mar 27 13:59 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Baykonur is Russian | Mar 27 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | I don't know the details of the deal. | Mar 27 14:00 |
| scientes | "rented and administered by the Russian Federation." | Mar 27 14:00 |
| scientes | I guess they didn't want to put it in Chechnya | Mar 27 14:01 |
| scientes | cause it is in Kazakstan because it needs to be at a lower altitude | Mar 27 14:01 |
| scientes | *latitude | Mar 27 14:01 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: There's this super-expensive super-corrupt project Cosmodrome Vostochny | Mar 27 14:01 |
| XRevan86 | even Putin admitted that "millions" were stolen on it | Mar 27 14:02 |
| scientes | that is near the Jewish oblast that has no Jews too | Mar 27 14:02 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So there is effort to remove dependence on the deal with Kazakhstan | Mar 27 14:04 |
| scientes | XRevan86, wonder if they buy buckwheat with the siphoned millions? ;) | Mar 27 14:04 |
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| XRevan86 | scientes: Usually it goes into real estate in the EU. | Mar 27 14:05 |
| scientes | or Vancouver Canada probably | Mar 27 14:05 |
| scientes | the real estate market there is so silly | Mar 27 14:05 |
| scientes | lots of empty houses | Mar 27 14:05 |
| scientes | But like the Venezuela deal, China is trying to stop that, and hedging on US collapse | Mar 27 14:06 |
| scientes | and this virus thing could be the end | Mar 27 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: They also prefer villas | Mar 27 14:06 |
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| scientes | I can't figure out what the metapore is "mi papel" (my paper) | Mar 27 14:18 |
| scientes | I should aska spanish speaker | Mar 27 14:18 |
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| cubexyz | fortunately I've accumulated tons of computer parts over the years | Mar 27 17:17 |
| cubexyz | so I can keep these old clunkers working | Mar 27 17:18 |
| cubexyz | I got a big stack of scsi-1 CD-ROMS | Mar 27 17:18 |
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| scientes | XRevan86, are you on lock down? | Mar 27 18:26 |
| scientes | in St. Petersberg | Mar 27 18:26 |
| scientes | *i.e. are police roaming the street, asking Papers Please? | Mar 27 18:26 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: No, no measures are in. | Mar 27 18:26 |
| scientes | are restraunts shut down? | Mar 27 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: IIRC, yes. | Mar 27 18:27 |
| scientes | here the government ordered that all restraunts no have customers eat inside | Mar 27 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'm not leaving my flat %) | Mar 27 18:27 |
| scientes | WTF Why? | Mar 27 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't want to get ill or help transmit this crap. | Mar 27 18:28 |
| scientes | but there is nothing to be afraid of | Mar 27 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: And knowing that many people don't take this seriously makes me want avoid contact even more. | Mar 27 18:29 |
| scientes | XRevan86, did you get swine flu or bird flu? | Mar 27 18:29 |
| scientes | but it isn't serious | Mar 27 18:29 |
| scientes | more people have died from the seasonal flu IN THE SAME TIME | Mar 27 18:29 |
| XRevan86 | Doctors: this is serious; scientes: it isn't serious | Mar 27 18:29 |
| scientes | XRevan86, no, the doctors are saying it isn't serious, and that there is a panic at the hospitals causing a problem | Mar 27 18:29 |
| scientes | NOT that an illness is causing a problem | Mar 27 18:29 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Additionally, unlike DaemonFC[m], I don't want elder people to die from this either. | Mar 27 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Overwhelmed hospitals are a direct consequence. | Mar 27 18:31 |
| scientes | god damn, why are you also drinking the cool aid | Mar 27 18:31 |
| scientes | it is all lies | Mar 27 18:31 |
| scientes | have you seen anything WITH YOUR OWN EYES | Mar 27 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | Not a good moment to forget a word in both Russian and English… | Mar 27 18:34 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I'll reply in a bit | Mar 27 18:34 |
| XRevan86 | Whatever. | Mar 27 18:35 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: Have you noticed how often artificial lung ventilation is employed in news like "this person came back from $COUNTRY, tested positive on COVID-19"? | Mar 27 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I believe when they say that if there won't be enough ventilators, lots of people are going to die from this decease. | Mar 27 18:36 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I am not planning a trip to Botkinskaya to see WITH MY OWN EYES | Mar 27 18:37 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I know there's a lot of FUD floating around on the topic. | Mar 27 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: But nontheless, I do think this is some serious shit. | Mar 27 18:40 |
| scientes | I don't | Mar 27 18:41 |
| scientes | https://off-guardian.org/ | Mar 27 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ https://off-guardian.org/ ) | Mar 27 18:41 | |
| scientes | but that is fighting a little too hard | Mar 27 18:42 |
| scientes | this is a little more to the point: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2020/03/bat-eating-troglodytes-of-wuhan.html | Mar 27 18:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cluborlov.blogspot.com | ClubOrlov: Bat-eating Troglodytes of Wuhan | Mar 27 18:42 | |
| scientes | " | Mar 27 18:42 |
| scientes | The young couple had something important to discuss: they wanted to marry and have children, but were unsure if they could ever raise enough money for the lab tests on the sperm samples (to rule out viral contamination) and the artificial insemination procedure, made necessary by the prohibition against any direct, unsupervised sharing of bodily fluids. " | Mar 27 18:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, the basic fact is that the best defense against virus is the immune system, and that there is no technology that is better than the immune system | Mar 27 18:43 |
| scientes | and a reminded: the black plague was a bacteria | Mar 27 18:43 |
| scientes | *reminder | Mar 27 18:43 |
| XRevan86 | which means that the black plague can be beaten with antibiotics. | Mar 27 18:44 |
| scientes | until it becomes resistent...... | Mar 27 18:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: You're forgetting that this virus attacks lungs (via the immune system, by the way), so if something's wrong with one's lungs already, to the ventilator! | Mar 27 18:45 |
| XRevan86 | Unless there are no ventilators to spare. | Mar 27 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | Then you die. | Mar 27 18:46 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I saw people with masks smoking today | Mar 27 18:46 |
| scientes | seriously, I am tired, I will just shut up | Mar 27 18:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: In a risk group, yes. | Mar 27 18:46 |
| scientes | if you don't want to get it, then you won't get it | Mar 27 18:46 |
| scientes | you are struggling from the disease of a mis-conception of humans as rational beings | Mar 27 18:47 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: So you don't think that if people contract it as a too fast a rate, hospitals won't be able to provide for everyone? | Mar 27 18:48 |
| scientes | that is one of the big talking points | Mar 27 18:49 |
| scientes | and it is completely false | Mar 27 18:49 |
| scientes | it is a though meant to influence people's thinking | Mar 27 18:49 |
| scientes | and make them scared of each other | Mar 27 18:49 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: depends on the virus. Some viruses though history have had weaknesses to some very basic things in that case there are items better than the immune system. | Mar 27 19:45 |
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| oiaohm | scientes: Its like particular strains of rabies that will over run the human immune system 100 percent of the time without treament are stopped by silver nanoparticles blocking the virus means to enter cells. | Mar 27 19:48 |
| oiaohm | Research against viruses is important not all cases is the human immune system the best option. There are odd cases were odd things are way more effective due to disrupting the virus live cycle. | Mar 27 19:50 |
| CrystalMath | i really like the way russia, mexico, brazil, and the US is handling this | Mar 27 19:53 |
| CrystalMath | in that order | Mar 27 19:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 27 19:54 |
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| *XRevan86 was able to capture CrystalMath's face through the web camera: https://i.ibb.co/1zYfgH1/crystalmath.png | Mar 27 20:02 | |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 27 20:03 |
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| XRevan86 | Criticism of Putin's week-off: people will just treat it as a holiday and invite each other over | Mar 27 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | My mum was just invited over for tomorrow | Mar 27 20:05 |
| XRevan86 | that started early %) | Mar 27 20:05 |
| MinceR | ooh, COVID-19 party! | Mar 27 20:05 |
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| XRevan86 | Apparently that's exactly what Italy did at first. | Mar 27 20:06 |
| MinceR | ah, so they're trying to beat the USA | Mar 27 20:08 |
| XRevan86 | Guys, guys, it's not a competition | Mar 27 20:08 |
| MinceR | sure it is | Mar 27 20:08 |
| MinceR | "it's a race to 0 sanity" | Mar 27 20:08 |
| CrystalMath | bat-eating troglodytes of Wuhan, unite! | Mar 27 20:14 |
| CrystalMath | i am speaking as one | Mar 27 20:14 |
| CrystalMath | i believe in living together with viruses | Mar 27 20:15 |
| CrystalMath | and dying occasionally | Mar 27 20:15 |
| CrystalMath | if someone told me i could live 50 years in freedom or 100 years of slavery, i would pick the former any day | Mar 27 20:15 |
| MinceR | you guys have freedom? | Mar 27 20:15 |
| CrystalMath | well no | Mar 27 20:15 |
| CrystalMath | but freedom also means the freedom to live with viruses naturally | Mar 27 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | and the US has that freedom | Mar 27 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | well, most states | Mar 27 20:16 |
| MinceR | it also means the freedom to live without viruses | Mar 27 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | nope | Mar 27 20:16 |
| *XRevan86 would like freedom from dangerous viruses. | Mar 27 20:16 | |
| CrystalMath | that is NOT a natural freedom | Mar 27 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | you will have to find your own way to fight for that | Mar 27 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | in a non-coercive society | Mar 27 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | i want the freedom to live with viruses | Mar 27 20:17 |
| XRevan86 | Virus' freedom ends when my freedom begins | Mar 27 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | sure, you have every right to fight against the virus | Mar 27 20:17 |
| MinceR | it's easy though | Mar 27 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | but not against me, who wants viruses | Mar 27 20:17 |
| MinceR | we need to drastically reduce population density | Mar 27 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | you don't need to have me around | Mar 27 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | because of freedom of association | Mar 27 20:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: humans without viruses normally end up with our human immune system going stupid and killing self off. | Mar 27 20:17 |
| MinceR | this would greatly reduce the opportunities viruses get to spread | Mar 27 20:17 |
| oiaohm | Its like humans exist to produce virues. | Mar 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | and it would also help against global warming | Mar 27 20:18 |
| CrystalMath | but i want to associate with others who want to live with viruses | Mar 27 20:18 |
| CrystalMath | oiaohm: absolutely right! | Mar 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: stupidity is a fundamental human trait, it seems | Mar 27 20:18 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Just vaccinate then. | Mar 27 20:18 |
| CrystalMath | all animals and plants have viruses | Mar 27 20:18 |
| CrystalMath | and humans are animals, nothing more | Mar 27 20:18 |
| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aezikcoCr4o | Mar 27 20:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Matrix - virus scene - YouTube | Mar 27 20:19 | |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: Try Windows, maybe that'll fix your cravings | Mar 27 20:19 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 27 20:19 |
| CrystalMath | i'm slowly trying to get into rewilding | Mar 27 20:20 |
| CrystalMath | that is, to undo all of civilization's effect on my mind | Mar 27 20:20 |
| CrystalMath | and change my thinking into something more primitive | Mar 27 20:20 |
| MinceR | if only we had civilization to start with | Mar 27 20:20 |
| CrystalMath | no, we don't need civilization | Mar 27 20:20 |
| CrystalMath | we were born to be wild | Mar 27 20:20 |
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| MinceR | we were born to exterminate ourselves | Mar 27 20:21 |
| MinceR | and we will do exactly that! | Mar 27 20:21 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egMWlD3fLJ8 | Mar 27 20:21 |
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| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: You know, after this blows over, you can go to the Russia's Far East and live as one with nature all you want. | Mar 27 20:22 |
| CrystalMath | sure, but i have a poor starting point | Mar 27 20:22 |
| CrystalMath | i only have the will to be free, i still haven't undone civilization's damage to my mind | Mar 27 20:23 |
| CrystalMath | for example, what i think about it legal stuff and passports and visas, when you mention that | Mar 27 20:23 |
| CrystalMath | that's how far my brain has been damaged | Mar 27 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | You can also find some nomads in Mongolia, that can be something | Mar 27 20:23 |
| MinceR | you don't need any of that, as long as you have a nice, big, powerful army of killbots | Mar 27 20:24 |
| CrystalMath | yeah i saw pictures of mongolia, that is really level 100 | Mar 27 20:24 |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: honestly, even just living in a rural area would be a huge improvement for me | Mar 27 20:25 |
| MinceR | same for me | Mar 27 20:25 |
| MinceR | i'm really tired of this shitty excuse for a city | Mar 27 20:25 |
| *XRevan86 is connected to civilisation by 5km of road of such terrible quality… | Mar 27 20:26 | |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: lucky :) | Mar 27 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | it's almost as if I don't live in a megapolice at all | Mar 27 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | megapolis? | Mar 27 20:27 |
| MinceR | in budapest, you don't need to be far from alleged civilization to experience terrible "road"s | Mar 27 20:27 |
| MinceR | hell, even near the central node of the public transport system of budapest, there's a huge pit near the side of a small street | Mar 27 20:27 |
| MinceR | i dodged it regularly lately | Mar 27 20:28 |
| CrystalMath | heh | Mar 27 20:28 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i think i'm going to go forward with my plan to move to Mexico | Mar 27 20:28 |
| CrystalMath | at first i'll need to be close to a city, because my current abilities kinda require computers | Mar 27 20:28 |
| MinceR | good luck and keep us posted | Mar 27 20:28 |
| XRevan86 | Apparently the word is megalopolis | Mar 27 20:29 |
| CrystalMath | if i live somewhat outside of a city, the rewilding process can begin | Mar 27 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | Though I probably should've just said metropolis | Mar 27 20:30 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: It really does feel like you would've fit right in in Russia :) | Mar 27 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | CrystalMath: All you need to do is move in into one of those areas where people keep dachas | Mar 27 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | and then you can get water from a well and stuff | Mar 27 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | and live in a home like this: https://st20.domofond.ru/1280x960_dom/3604224220.jpg | Mar 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | is it expensive to heat? | Mar 27 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: People don't typically live in dachas during winter | Mar 27 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: All the more fun for CrystalMath | Mar 27 20:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 27 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: But really, wood isn't that hard to find. | Mar 27 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | though CrystalMath would have to cheat for that | Mar 27 20:39 |
| XRevan86 | descend to civilisation | Mar 27 20:39 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: vaccine does not exactly work. Human immune system need something to kill to be happy. | Mar 27 20:40 |
| oiaohm | Those working in clean rooms one of the issues is human immune system stupidity if they have been kept too clean. | Mar 27 20:41 |
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| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Oh well, it's not like there's a shortage of viruses. | Mar 27 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | Just keep the moronic deadly ones away. | Mar 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | there's even genome from viruses on your DNA, afaik :> | Mar 27 20:42 |
| MinceR | s/on/in/ | Mar 27 20:42 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That is correct. | Mar 27 20:42 |
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| CrystalMath | btw, the Ebolavirus was created by the extermination of other filoviruses | Mar 27 20:49 |
| CrystalMath | through the introduction of sanitation in africa | Mar 27 20:49 |
| MinceR | how did that work? | Mar 27 20:49 |
| CrystalMath | simple natural selection | Mar 27 20:50 |
| CrystalMath | you kill of the weaker viruses, you keep only the nasty ones | Mar 27 20:50 |
| MinceR | wouldn't the nasty ones win anyway? | Mar 27 20:50 |
| CrystalMath | nope | Mar 27 20:50 |
| CrystalMath | why would a virus kill its host? | Mar 27 20:51 |
| CrystalMath | it's idiotic | Mar 27 20:51 |
| CrystalMath | it's suicide | Mar 27 20:51 |
| MinceR | dunno, but it seems to be common | Mar 27 20:51 |
| CrystalMath | every virus wants the host to live forever, with it leeching off it forever | Mar 27 20:51 |
| CrystalMath | living forever, however, is not possible | Mar 27 20:51 |
| CrystalMath | so viruses have to figure out how to jump around | Mar 27 20:51 |
| MinceR | how does diphtheria (a bacterium) become more virulent by taking on viral genome that enables it to produce diphtheria toxin? | Mar 27 20:51 |
| CrystalMath | from host to host | Mar 27 20:51 |
| MinceR | (which is apparently harmful to eukarya and archaea in general) | Mar 27 20:52 |
| CrystalMath | i did very little research on diphteriar | Mar 27 20:52 |
| CrystalMath | *diphteria | Mar 27 20:52 |
| MinceR | i did very little as well, but it caught my eye when i looked at the comparison table of the 3 domains(?) of life | Mar 27 20:53 |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: viruses do mess with their hosts, precisely because any effort to keep them alive longer always has and always will fail to be beneficial to the virus | Mar 27 20:57 |
| CrystalMath | so, what they have to do, is make sure you transfer them over to someone else | Mar 27 20:57 |
| MinceR | what's up with the effort to kill it by other means than just exhausting the resources of cells to produce virions or break them open to let the virions out? | Mar 27 20:58 |
| XRevan86 | It's always more beneficial for a virus not to kill the host, but if it does, it isn't always a deal-breaker. | Mar 27 20:58 |
| MinceR | at least ebola makes you emit infectious fluids | Mar 27 20:58 |
| CrystalMath | they all concentrate in fluids that go out, or onto skin | Mar 27 20:59 |
| CrystalMath | like HPV | Mar 27 20:59 |
| CrystalMath | or herpes | Mar 27 20:59 |
| CrystalMath | they also try to make fluids go out, or choose parts of the skin that is rubbed more often | Mar 27 20:59 |
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| CrystalMath | all they want to do is stay alive | Mar 27 21:00 |
| CrystalMath | as far as i can see, that HPV strain i got decided to let my finger go now | Mar 27 21:01 |
| CrystalMath | i had veruca planae for months | Mar 27 21:01 |
| MinceR | they can't stay alive because they're not alive | Mar 27 21:01 |
| CrystalMath | they are alive | Mar 27 21:01 |
| CrystalMath | they're just incomplete | Mar 27 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | heck, even viruses can get viruses | Mar 27 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | but, being incomplete, the host virus needs to infect a cell first | Mar 27 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | In the end we're all just biomachines | Mar 27 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | that's when the viroid comes in | Mar 27 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | viruses are just way more basic | Mar 27 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | it infects the infected cell | Mar 27 21:02 |
| CrystalMath | and takes over matter from the other virus | Mar 27 21:02 |
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| CrystalMath | kinda like someone robbing a bank robber | Mar 27 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | and without a CPU :) | Mar 27 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | right there at the bank | Mar 27 21:03 |
| CrystalMath | an example is Deltahepatitisvirus | Mar 27 21:04 |
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| CrystalMath | MinceR: you need hepatitis B to get hepatitis D | Mar 27 21:07 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Mar 27 21:07 |
| CrystalMath | because the virus doesn't infect you, it infects the other virus :D | Mar 27 21:07 |
| CrystalMath | a little virus inception there | Mar 27 21:08 |
| scientes | CrystalMath, you realize hepatitis just means inflamation of the liver, right? | Mar 27 21:08 |
| MinceR | CrystalMath: neither hepatitis B nor hepatitis D can do anything without a compatible host cell | Mar 27 21:08 |
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| CrystalMath | scientes: right but these letters indicate a viral infection | Mar 27 21:10 |
| CrystalMath | Hepatitis B exclusively means hepatitis due to HBV | Mar 27 21:10 |
| scientes | I had no idea there was a D | Mar 27 21:10 |
| scientes | I thought you were pulling my leg | Mar 27 21:10 |
| CrystalMath | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_D_virus | Mar 27 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hepatitis D - Wikipedia | Mar 27 21:11 | |
| scientes | > This is one of five known hepatitis viruses: A, B, C, D, and E. | Mar 27 21:11 |
| scientes | wut | Mar 27 21:11 |
| scientes | shows how little I know | Mar 27 21:11 |
| scientes | I thought A was a bacteria | Mar 27 21:11 |
| CrystalMath | HDV does not infect healthy liver cells | Mar 27 21:12 |
| CrystalMath | instead, it only targets cells infected with HBV | Mar 27 21:12 |
| CrystalMath | because it needs to leech off of HBV | Mar 27 21:12 |
| scientes | ahhh that's why I hadn't heard of it | Mar 27 21:12 |
| CrystalMath | it's a virus for a virus | Mar 27 21:12 |
| scientes | amazing it even exists like that | Mar 27 21:12 |
| scientes | that is quite a niche | Mar 27 21:13 |
| MinceR | more like a virus for certain cells already affected by a particular other virus | Mar 27 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: it hijacks HBV | Mar 27 21:13 |
| scientes | It is Shrek! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jaundice08.jpg | Mar 27 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | File:Jaundice08.jpg - Wikipedia | Mar 27 21:13 | |
| CrystalMath | so HBV is the one that gets "infected", no doubt | Mar 27 21:13 |
| MinceR | it hijacks cells hijacked by HBV | Mar 27 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | once inside, it hijacks HBV | Mar 27 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | while HBV hijacks the cell | Mar 27 21:13 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Mar 27 21:13 |
| MinceR | HBV virions can't do the life processes HDV depends on | Mar 27 21:13 |
| MinceR | scientes: i thought it was Twitler | Mar 27 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | once HBV is able to do it | Mar 27 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | HDV will steal from HBV | Mar 27 21:14 |
| CrystalMath | that's why it's so short | Mar 27 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedira might be raising the minimum to AVX2 CPUs. | Mar 27 21:14 |
| MinceR | literally who | Mar 27 21:14 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis_E | Mar 27 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Hepatitis E - Wikipedia | Mar 27 21:15 | |
| scientes | didn't even know about that one, and not uncommon | Mar 27 21:16 |
| scientes | a good reason to wash your food before you eat it | Mar 27 21:16 |
| scientes | vegetables that is | Mar 27 21:16 |
| MinceR | what if my food is ice cream | Mar 27 21:16 |
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| scientes | what is holding back that vaccine outside of china? | Mar 27 21:17 |
| scientes | looks pretty clear benifits | Mar 27 21:17 |
| scientes | maybe its because they want china to be the only rich country | Mar 27 21:18 |
| CrystalMath | scientes: they're all very different, btw | Mar 27 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | HAV is a picornavirus, HBV is a DNA virus | Mar 27 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | HCV is a flavivirus | Mar 27 21:19 |
| scientes | but I thought at least one was a bacteria | Mar 27 21:19 |
| scientes | because...as I said...hepatitus just means inflammation of liver | Mar 27 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | HDV is not really a virus, it's a virusoid | Mar 27 21:19 |
| CrystalMath | an RNA virus that targets a DNA virus | Mar 27 21:19 |
| scientes | CrystalMath, the definition of a virus is already pretty shaky | Mar 27 21:20 |
| scientes | .... | Mar 27 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | HEV is an orthohepevirus | Mar 27 21:20 |
| CrystalMath | btw, you know there are bacteria that do cell invasion? | Mar 27 21:21 |
| CrystalMath | they can do life processes on their own, but they prefer to steal them from host cells | Mar 27 21:21 |
| scientes | CrystalMath, interesting | Mar 27 21:21 |
| scientes | link? | Mar 27 21:21 |
| CrystalMath | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracellular_parasite | Mar 27 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Intracellular parasite - Wikipedia | Mar 27 21:21 | |
| CrystalMath | see the facultative | Mar 27 21:22 |
| CrystalMath | which means "prefer to, but it's not required" | Mar 27 21:22 |
| CrystalMath | under obligate you have the ones that cannot live without a host cell | Mar 27 21:22 |
| CrystalMath | which includes organisms beyond viruses | Mar 27 21:23 |
| scientes | CrystalMath, there are two funguses listed there too | Mar 27 21:23 |
| CrystalMath | yeah | Mar 27 21:23 |
| CrystalMath | they can live inside other cells | Mar 27 21:23 |
| scientes | but most funguses are like that | Mar 27 21:23 |
| CrystalMath | nope | Mar 27 21:23 |
| CrystalMath | most are extracellular parasites | Mar 27 21:23 |
| scientes | AHHHHHHH! | Mar 27 21:24 |
| CrystalMath | these literally act like a virus and use endocytosis | Mar 27 21:24 |
| scientes | interesting, but I'm tired. I willr ead the scrollback tomorrow. I'll look into this later... | Mar 27 21:24 |
| scientes | super cool | Mar 27 21:24 |
| scientes | learn something new every day...nah some days | Mar 27 21:24 |
| CrystalMath | malaria is a protozoa | Mar 27 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | and yet, it's an obligate intracellular parasite | Mar 27 21:25 |
| CrystalMath | it cannot reproduce outside a cell | Mar 27 21:26 |
| CrystalMath | despite being almost an animal | Mar 27 21:26 |
| CrystalMath | it's an eukaryote, with a cell of its own | Mar 27 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | and organization inside that cell | Mar 27 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | and it has to enter into a host cell | Mar 27 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | to pick up what's missing | Mar 27 21:27 |
| CrystalMath | on the other hand, all parasitic multicellular eukaryotes are extracellular | Mar 27 21:28 |
| CrystalMath | there's all kinds | Mar 27 21:28 |
| CrystalMath | malaria is quite fascinating | Mar 27 21:39 |
| MinceR | https://files.catbox.moe/6w9vzr.jpg | Mar 27 21:48 |
| roy_on_tedbox | #corporatebailout https://preview.redd.it/czfkkumxa9p41.jpg?width=640&height=501&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=3def5d2a722ae884f8c946b04337b0219c0b692d | Mar 27 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: universal healthcare is a destroyer of freedom | Mar 27 21:54 |
| CrystalMath | just think, if everyone HAS to be on healthcare... the one giving such healthcare will not be worried about banning behavior that increases stress on the healthcare system | Mar 27 21:55 |
| MinceR | authoritarian narcissist wannabe dictators are far greater destroyers of freedom | Mar 27 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | there is no worse dictatorship than universal healthcare | Mar 27 21:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 27 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | just think about what it invariably leads to | Mar 27 21:55 |
| CrystalMath | they ban drugs, they ban alcohol | Mar 27 21:56 |
| CrystalMath | all because people then have to pay for the damage | Mar 27 21:56 |
| MinceR | interesting | Mar 27 21:56 |
| CrystalMath | caused by drugs and alcohol | Mar 27 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | It leads to lower classes living healthier lives? | Mar 27 21:56 |
| CrystalMath | XRevan86: no | Mar 27 21:56 |
| CrystalMath | it leads to control | Mar 27 21:56 |
| MinceR | i don't know of many countries that banned ethanol and have universal healthcare | Mar 27 21:56 |
| XRevan86 | A libertarian's worst nightmare | Mar 27 21:56 |
| MinceR | the USA is somehat famous for having banned it though | Mar 27 21:56 |
| CrystalMath | control is a libertarian's worst nightmare | Mar 27 21:56 |
| MinceR | (and what a disaster it was) | Mar 27 21:57 |
| MinceR | in fact, all the instances of banning ethanol i'm aware of were based on religious beliefs, not universal healthcare | Mar 27 21:58 |
| CrystalMath | well, just wait and see | Mar 27 21:58 |
| CrystalMath | they banned drugs | Mar 27 21:58 |
| MinceR | i'm waiting to see humans exterminate themselves | Mar 27 21:59 |
| CrystalMath | and won't legalize them because "then everyone will have to pay for the healthcare of drug users" | Mar 27 21:59 |
| MinceR | where have they not banned drugs? | Mar 27 21:59 |
| CrystalMath | well unfortunately the only country that does not have a collectivist principle, has a religious principle | Mar 27 21:59 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Mar 27 21:59 |
| CrystalMath | which is i suppose a catch 22 | Mar 27 22:00 |
| MinceR | so it is authoritarianism that leads to banning drugs | Mar 27 22:00 |
| MinceR | not any kind of healthcare | Mar 27 22:00 |
| CrystalMath | yes but universal healthcare leads to authoritarianism | Mar 27 22:00 |
| MinceR | that's hard to demonstrate, if possible at all | Mar 27 22:00 |
| CrystalMath | well i'm just saying, it's dangerous | Mar 27 22:01 |
| CrystalMath | when you HAVE to help everyone, there's no doubt that you will start doing things to make that easier | Mar 27 22:01 |
| CrystalMath | forced vaccinations, then chipping | Mar 27 22:01 |
| MinceR | unless it is more important to you to uphold the freedom of the people | Mar 27 22:01 |
| CrystalMath | so a kind of controlled collectivism | Mar 27 22:01 |
| MinceR | totally possible, just not characteristic of humans | Mar 27 22:01 |
| MinceR | because humans are authoritarian by nature | Mar 27 22:02 |
| CrystalMath | idk, i'd rather have uncontrolled individualism | Mar 27 22:02 |
| MinceR | so would i | Mar 27 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | - We will die for freedom! | Mar 27 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | - Like, in battle? | Mar 27 22:02 |
| MinceR | but it seems that will only be implemented after humans die out | Mar 27 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | - No, from smallpox | Mar 27 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | * measles | Mar 27 22:03 |
| CrystalMath | the poor variolavirus is extinct :( | Mar 27 22:03 |
| MinceR | papa nurgle is sad | Mar 27 22:03 |
| CrystalMath | well i mean, i suppose it is natural selection | Mar 27 22:04 |
| XRevan86 | Next time they'll kill mosquitoes if they are not stopped | Mar 27 22:04 |
| CrystalMath | as a virus, variolavirus was very rude | Mar 27 22:04 |
| CrystalMath | but where's all the "protect species from extinction" people :P | Mar 27 22:04 |
| CrystalMath | why was Variolavirus not on the endangered species list? :P | Mar 27 22:04 |
| CrystalMath | it had a DNA too | Mar 27 22:05 |
| CrystalMath | and a nucleocapsid | Mar 27 22:05 |
| MinceR | they should be easy to preserve as long as they're still extant | Mar 27 22:05 |
| MinceR | after all, they're not alive | Mar 27 22:05 |
| CrystalMath | they are in stasis outside the cell, and inside the cell they are alive | Mar 27 22:05 |
| MinceR | but perhaps people aren't interested in preserving species of things that are not alive | Mar 27 22:05 |
| MinceR | no, inside the cell they affect the way the cell functions | Mar 27 22:05 |
| CrystalMath | viruses are accepted as a form of life | Mar 27 22:05 |
| CrystalMath | because honestly, if they're not alive, then nothing is | Mar 27 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | tbh, i think the line between alive and not so, is quite fuzzy | Mar 27 22:06 |
| MinceR | there's no consensus about whether they're alive | Mar 27 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | they have recently been added into the lifeform classification | Mar 27 22:06 |
| MinceR | and it's up to the people who believe viruses are alive to worry about the extinction of virus species | Mar 27 22:06 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Mar 27 22:06 |
| CrystalMath | viruses trace back to the origin of life | Mar 27 22:07 |
| CrystalMath | from way back into the RNA world | Mar 27 22:07 |
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