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schestowitzwell,  "pigfucker" is one of the reasons they'll leaveJun 27 00:02
schestowitzas I think they will, eventuallyJun 27 00:02
schestowitzwe went to parliament there 5 years agoJun 27 00:02
schestowitzaround the time of SCOTUS/Alice decision, that's how I remember itJun 27 00:03
schestowitzthey already have key pieces in place for departureJun 27 00:03
schestowitzthey would speak English/Gaelic stillJun 27 00:03
schestowitzwith the odd accentJun 27 00:03
schestowitznot sure how border would be handles, esp. if they join the EU and UK leaves the EUJun 27 00:03
schestowitz 27 00:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EdinburghJun 27 00:04
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: +43,371 new cases in UKJun 27 00:06
schestowitz*USJun 27 00:06
schestowitzthe number is not final yetJun 27 00:06
schestowitzGlobal total was 180,946Jun 27 00:07
schestowitzso about a quarter is USJun 27 00:07
schestowitzwith 4% of the world's populationJun 27 00:07
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MinceRi thought the UK leaving the EU was a done thing alreadyJun 27 00:11
schestowitzseems soJun 27 00:13
schestowitzexcept practical formalityJun 27 00:13
schestowitzlike settlement status next year, forgot due dateJun 27 00:14
schestowitzmost things have not changed yetJun 27 00:15
schestowitzlike a couple getting divorced and still living togetherJun 27 00:15
schestowitzour PM nearly died 2 months agoJun 27 00:16
DaemonFC[m]Eh, oh well.Jun 27 00:18
DaemonFC[m]It's just going to have to burn itself out at this point because of idiots.Jun 27 00:18
CrystalMaththe EU should be abolishedJun 27 00:18
CrystalMathfreedom to the peopleJun 27 00:19
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DaemonFC[m]Some police charity called wanting money for injured cops.Jun 27 00:24
DaemonFC[m]I told him, "Well, I don't know if you've been watching the news lately, but thanks to that asshole up in Minnesota, we've had riots where I live, and frankly if it sends any cops to the hospital they should have been somewhere else instead of shooting at CNN. So fuck you people.".Jun 27 00:24
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schestowitzlolJun 27 00:27
schestowitz+44,158Jun 27 00:28
schestowitzus casesJun 27 00:28
schestowitzstill risingJun 27 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Yeah. Who cares?Jun 27 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Burns through in a few months.Jun 27 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Less old people who can hold up the line and maybe vote for Trump again.Jun 27 00:28
DaemonFC[m]To hell with them.Jun 27 00:28
schestowitzFL +8,942Jun 27 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, god fucking damn them anyway.Jun 27 00:28
DaemonFC[m]Morons.Jun 27 00:28
schestowitzTX +5,097 Jun 27 00:29
DaemonFC[m]Everyone agrees Florida sucks.Jun 27 00:29
schestowitzRepublican statesJun 27 00:29
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, whoopsie.Jun 27 00:29
DaemonFC[m]:DJun 27 00:29
DaemonFC[m]So much for the "It's over. Go shopping." narrative.Jun 27 00:29
schestowitz[redneck accent+voice] YEAH, REOPEEEEN MURICA [/]Jun 27 00:29
DaemonFC[m]The politicians can say all the stupid shit they want at the moment, but nobody is going to cooperate with this.Jun 27 00:29
DaemonFC[m]My bankruptcy lawyer is a Republican and she's staying in her house even though the state's "open" again kinda.Jun 27 00:30
schestowitz"the spike in COVID in the three most populous U.S. states of California, Texas and Florida."Jun 27 00:30
schestowitz 27 00:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | How U.S. and Brazil Leadership That “Neglects Science” Led to Hemisphere’s Worst Coronavirus Crises | Democracy Now!Jun 27 00:30
schestowitz 27 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Texas Gov. Abbott Warns Covid-19 Getting 'Out of Control.' Yes, Say Critics, Because You Knowingly 'Unleashed It' | Common Dreams NewsJun 27 00:31
schestowitzfrom yesterdayJun 27 00:31
DaemonFC[m]What it'll do is purge some of the Outer Party who are stupid and more likely to be uninsured anyway and are being farmed for votes. Jun 27 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Trump's campaign people are down with the sickness, dont'cha know?Jun 27 00:31
schestowitz 27 00:31
schestowitz"People with respiratory ailments in Texas and Florida, where hospitals are nearing capacity with Covid-19 patients, may find little healthcare support if the dust plume exacerbates their conditions."Jun 27 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | States Overwhelmed by Coronavirus Pandemic Face Another Health Hazard as Massive Dust Plume Heads Toward Southern US | Common Dreams NewsJun 27 00:31
DaemonFC[m]8 people that were setting up his failed Tulsa rally got it, at least.Jun 27 00:31
schestowitzhow much in medical bills?Jun 27 00:31
DaemonFC[m]Then he was mad that it made the news.Jun 27 00:31
schestowitzat least SOMEONE will be happyJun 27 00:32
DaemonFC[m]Fuck if I know. Hasta Lasagna, don't get any on ya.Jun 27 00:32
DaemonFC[m]People going in and out of our laundry area with no mask on.Jun 27 00:32
schestowitzHasta Lasagna?Jun 27 00:32
schestowitzSpanish Italian recipe?Jun 27 00:32
DaemonFC[m]I'm in there looking like Bane between this hair cut and the black mask.Jun 27 00:32
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: the issue might be the handlesJun 27 00:33
schestowitzand gloves might not helpJun 27 00:33
DaemonFC[m]Industrial strength hand sanitizer.Jun 27 00:33
schestowitzif you live in communal apartment it's hard, even pressing buttons in elevatorsJun 27 00:33
DaemonFC[m]After the gloves come off.Jun 27 00:33
DaemonFC[m]Then I go inside and wash my hands.Jun 27 00:33
DaemonFC[m]You can only do what you can do.Jun 27 00:34
DaemonFC[m]The hand sanitizer is in case I got any on my hands taking the gloves off.Jun 27 00:34
schestowitztbh, rianne does the sanitation here, and spends ages on it. but.... it would hardly be possible if we live in a 'shoebox' apartmentJun 27 00:34
DaemonFC[m]Then I wash my hands because why not.Jun 27 00:34
schestowitzmy dad barely left the home... as he's in the dangerous age groupJun 27 00:35
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The manager at this place thought she'd save money getting rid of the trash cans.Jun 27 00:35
DaemonFC[m]So these animals are just throwing garbage bags where the trash cans used to be.Jun 27 00:35
schestowitzit can leakJun 27 00:35
schestowitzthat can also attract vermin, depending how 'indoor' it isJun 27 00:36
DaemonFC[m]I swipedsome of those big contractor bags and I've been throwing the Walmart bags in there as they fill with trash.Jun 27 00:36
schestowitzthat's how you get things like covid-19, poor handling of biological matterJun 27 00:36
DaemonFC[m]Then taking the trash out every couple of weeks so I don't have to hang around the dumpster any more than necessary.Jun 27 00:36
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schestowitz+44,366Jun 27 00:38
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Oh this virus is really tricky, and then those people who won't even wear a mask are everywhere.Jun 27 00:38
DaemonFC[m]Cops doing fuck all about it, ,despite the law.Jun 27 00:38
DaemonFC[m]What else is new?Jun 27 00:38
schestowitzunless it's a protester with a maskJun 27 00:38
schestowitzthen they beat the s out of themJun 27 00:38
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DaemonFC[m]I love the police.Jun 27 00:39
DaemonFC[m]If a black person goes out without a mask, they're breaking the law. Get em!Jun 27 00:39
DaemonFC[m]If a black person goes out with a mask, they're antifa! Get em!Jun 27 00:40
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I know where the anti-Mexican sentiment comes from.Jun 27 00:41
DaemonFC[m]They have a work ethic and give a shit about their family.Jun 27 00:41
DaemonFC[m]It pisses white people off that Mexicans are everything we say we are and aren't.Jun 27 00:41
schestowitz+44,847Jun 27 00:41
DaemonFC[m]Good, fuck em.Jun 27 00:42
DaemonFC[m]Get in there. Die. I want my country back!Jun 27 00:42
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: same for pinoysJun 27 00:42
schestowitzvery dedicated to family members, parents, kids, siblingsJun 27 00:42
schestowitzeven leaving them just to support them financiallyJun 27 00:42
schestowitzin the US it's done to bomb peopleJun 27 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Except for Maricel. What a piece of shit.Jun 27 00:43
schestowitzleaving the family to 'work' in the US ArmyJun 27 00:43
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, living here has "changed her" and she wasn't like this in the Philippines.Jun 27 00:43
schestowitzkilling countries that are mostly/only "black" and "brown"... IF those countries have natural resources like oilJun 27 00:43
DaemonFC[m]She acts like a spoiled little 5 year old that someone forgot to turn over their knee.Jun 27 00:43
DaemonFC[m]It's terrrble. Jun 27 00:43
DaemonFC[m]*terribleJun 27 00:44
schestowitzthere are always outliersJun 27 00:44
schestowitzin every country/groupJun 27 00:44
schestowitzyou go by averages...Jun 27 00:44
schestowitzor mediansJun 27 00:44
DaemonFC[m]This woman is fucked up. Crazy insane and insane crazy.Jun 27 00:44
schestowitz+45,252Jun 27 00:45
schestowitzTrump... the bestest numbersJun 27 00:45
DaemonFC[m]No sense of morality whatsoever.Jun 27 00:45
schestowitzbig leagueJun 27 00:45
schestowitzand wait, it's not over yetJun 27 00:45
DaemonFC[m]So?Jun 27 00:45
schestowitzit's growing every minute as the daily sums come inJun 27 00:45
DaemonFC[m]I don't have a dog in this fight, schestowitz Jun 27 00:45
DaemonFC[m]Except to say thank god me and Mandy aren't old and will probably live if we get it.Jun 27 00:46
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DaemonFC[m]Maybe after it "washes over" America getting rid of those entitled do nothing arrogant shitheads in my parents' generation, we'll get rid of Trump.Jun 27 00:46
DaemonFC[m]They haven't done anything to make me want to like them.Jun 27 00:47
DaemonFC[m]They're literally the reason this country is on the verge of collapse.Jun 27 00:47
DaemonFC[m]They've had it their way for so long that we might not survive it.Jun 27 00:47
DaemonFC[m]Why should I be sad for this?Jun 27 00:47
schestowitzdepends...Jun 27 00:48
schestowitzsome of them were more hard-working than today's kidsJun 27 00:48
DaemonFC[m]Their parents at least did something besides bitch that they didn't get the correct amount of cinnamon in their Starbucks.Jun 27 00:48
DaemonFC[m]I mean god damn.Jun 27 00:48
schestowitzWhen I say today's kids I mean kidsJun 27 00:49
schestowitzlike under 18sJun 27 00:49
schestowitzmy generation was a bit betterJun 27 00:49
schestowitzbut already jilted enough by parents' greedJun 27 00:50
DaemonFC[m]Everyone says their generation was better.Jun 27 00:50
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, not good role models.Jun 27 00:50
schestowitzhouses still priced out of reach and jobs going where they ought not... for some short-term gains or so-called business heroesJun 27 00:50
DaemonFC[m]My parents are both narcissistic, self-absorbed, self-serving. Absolutely nuts.Jun 27 00:50
schestowitzWe're saving for early retirementJun 27 00:50
schestowitzmaybe in Negros OccidentalJun 27 00:51
schestowitztoo hard to tell, too earlyJun 27 00:51
schestowitzthe currencies can rapidly lose their weightJun 27 00:51
schestowitz(purchasing power)Jun 27 00:51
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Yeah, Thomson sent the Consumer Electronics division to Mexico, then eventually gave up on that, sold the brands to the Chinese, and became a patent troll.Jun 27 00:51
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: Carl was working in technical stuff IIRC, Madame Harmon still helping ageing peopleJun 27 00:52
schestowitznot lazy at allJun 27 00:52
schestowitzthere's far worse than themJun 27 00:52
DaemonFC[m]Then they sold the patent division to another patent troll and filed bankruptcy.Jun 27 00:52
schestowitzat least they're not a burden on the systemJun 27 00:52
schestowitztheir patents are still used in lawsuitsJun 27 00:52
DaemonFC[m]People who endlessly reproduce are the biggest strain on the system.Jun 27 00:52
schestowitzbiggest also literallyJun 27 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Brian Culley (Gonad).Jun 27 00:53
schestowitzbecause their footprint in terms of mass is biggerJun 27 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Spawned a bunch of little Culleys, who spawned some more.Jun 27 00:53
DaemonFC[m]Clogging up the courts and the welfare offices.Jun 27 00:53
schestowitzbut the clogup is the oligarchyJun 27 00:53
schestowitznot paying taxesJun 27 00:53
schestowitznot giving jobs to localsJun 27 00:53
schestowitzpure parasites, but they get their media to label them "job creators"Jun 27 00:54
DaemonFC[m]<schestowitz "their patents are still used in "> The patents that my dad assigned to RCA, which Thomson acquired, expired roughly 1999/2001.Jun 27 00:54
DaemonFC[m]So they're harmless now.Jun 27 00:54
schestowitzThat's EU's BretonJun 27 00:54
schestowitzWe wrote about those patents last year in DecemberJun 27 00:54
schestowitzHe was in ThomsonJun 27 00:54
schestowitzRCA... when the US - gasp - made something.. without tear gas or gunpowder inside itJun 27 00:55
schestowitz+46,831Jun 27 00:56
schestowitzrising fastJun 27 00:56
schestowitzmaybe 50k soonJun 27 00:56
schestowitzif it's not too late for that tallyJun 27 00:57
schestowitzprevious high was 39k something iircJun 27 00:57
schestowitzback in aprilJun 27 00:57
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: Apparently, although court fines and recent taxes can't be discharged in a bankruptcy, if you paid them with a credit card, it goes away.Jun 27 01:09
DaemonFC[m]I guess it goes against the spirit of the bankruptcy code, which is to leave fines intact as a way of punishing you, but not the letter of the law, because credit cards are just unsecured loans.Jun 27 01:10
DaemonFC[m]I suppose student loans would work the same way.Jun 27 01:10
schestowitzcredit card is a misnomerJun 27 01:11
schestowitzI've long rejected the termJun 27 01:11
schestowitzit's a card-carrying borrowerJun 27 01:11
DaemonFC[m]If you could just file bankruptcy against criminal fines, everyone would do it.Jun 27 01:11
schestowitzit's a loan cardJun 27 01:11
DaemonFC[m]But putting it on a credit card and throwing the credit card in, is acceptable.Jun 27 01:11
schestowitzand the lender is looking for big returnsJun 27 01:11
schestowitzor you could extend the metaphor to "slavery card"Jun 27 01:11
schestowitz"I carry a bondage card, baby..."Jun 27 01:11
schestowitzI'm owned by the bankJun 27 01:12
DaemonFC[m]Don't you mean a dependent?Jun 27 01:12
schestowitz"anything I buy you in this dinner.. I do at the expense of my fiscal masters"Jun 27 01:12
DaemonFC[m]It's owned by the primary.Jun 27 01:12
schestowitzwaitJun 27 01:12
schestowitzyou mock the term?Jun 27 01:12
schestowitzmaster/slave?Jun 27 01:12
DaemonFC[m]LOLJun 27 01:12
DaemonFC[m]Well, if the SJWs redefined masters and slaves, then we're going to have to ban Depeche Mode and come up with new terms for, well of English really.Jun 27 01:13
DaemonFC[m]Including the bible, which actually has a proverb that says the borrower is the slave to the lender.Jun 27 01:13
DaemonFC[m]*all ofJun 27 01:14
schestowitzit's technically true at some levelJun 27 01:14
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: My in laws nearly lost their house to a primary.Jun 27 01:14
DaemonFC[m]Then a primary company sued them over a dependent card.Jun 27 01:14
schestowitzso ask yourself, who masters the sanitisers of language?Jun 27 01:14
schestowitzlolJun 27 01:15
schestowitzdependent cardJun 27 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Oh my god, those people are the biggest idiots with money I've ever seen.Jun 27 01:15
schestowitzmastercard?Jun 27 01:15
schestowitzcredit card?Jun 27 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Mark got pulled over and fined for speeding about a dozen times.Jun 27 01:15
schestowitzheck, maybe they'll go after mastercard nextJun 27 01:15
schestowitzforcing the company to renameJun 27 01:15
DaemonFC[m]They've been sued twice over credit cards and nearly got foreclosed on in 2014.Jun 27 01:15
schestowitzthat SURE would confuse many peopleJun 27 01:15
DaemonFC[m]Let's play master and servant!Jun 27 01:15
DaemonFC[m]It's a lot....It's a lot....It's a lot like life....Jun 27 01:16
DaemonFC[m]B-)Jun 27 01:16
schestowitzsociety is all master-slaveJun 27 01:16
schestowitzlike employee-employerJun 27 01:16
schestowitzbanning words won't serve towards a solutionJun 27 01:16
oiaohmReally all this SJW stuff over master slave what are going to do when they get into plumbingJun 27 01:16
schestowitzin fact, USING those terms will emphasiee the injusticeJun 27 01:16
schestowitzbut the masters don't want people to use such termsJun 27 01:16
schestowitzThis won't accomplish anything concreteJun 27 01:17
schestowitzjust a long, slow clapJun 27 01:17
schestowitzwell done, you changed wordsJun 27 01:17
schestowitzand yet, blacks still lack opportunities in jobsJun 27 01:18
schestowitzand cannot afford collegeJun 27 01:18
schestowitzslow clapJun 27 01:18
schestowitzbut now python doesn't call any code/object "master"Jun 27 01:18
DaemonFC[m]My in laws have great jobs and they're getting sued to the point the bank is going to take their clothes for a rummage sale.Jun 27 01:18
DaemonFC[m]This is absurd. It's perverse.Jun 27 01:18
schestowitzand used clothes undersellJun 27 01:19
schestowitzonce worn by an unknown person, value collapsesJun 27 01:19
DaemonFC[m]Oh, she was fucking pissed off at the idea I was filing bankruptcy and they can't.Jun 27 01:19
schestowitzmore so than cars, which rapidly lose their value once used/drivenJun 27 01:19
DaemonFC[m]I just got rid of more debt than she makes in a year.Jun 27 01:20
schestowitzlolJun 27 01:20
schestowitzwho's she?Jun 27 01:20
DaemonFC[m]Mandy's sister.Jun 27 01:20
schestowitzlolJun 27 01:20
schestowitzI love this ironyJun 27 01:20
schestowitzclass/career climbersJun 27 01:20
DaemonFC[m]She said she would call the police and have them arrest me because I didn't pay my credit card bill.Jun 27 01:20
schestowitzgetting pwned by their own petardJun 27 01:20
schestowitza happy ending kind of slant to itJun 27 01:20
schestowitzyou can't buy tactJun 27 01:20
DaemonFC[m]That was racist.Jun 27 01:21
DaemonFC[m](They're Asian"Jun 27 01:21
DaemonFC[m]Errr *)Jun 27 01:21
schestowitzMost of the world is AsianJun 27 01:21
schestowitzor hald of itJun 27 01:21
schestowitz*halfJun 27 01:21
schestowitzin US Asian means eastasianJun 27 01:21
schestowitzhere it means PK/INJun 27 01:21
schestowitztypicallyJun 27 01:21
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, how does that happen?Jun 27 01:21
schestowitzor "southasian"Jun 27 01:21
DaemonFC[m]Isn't Asia where they make the condoms?Jun 27 01:21
schestowitzbut when you say asian people assume British colony AsiaJun 27 01:21
DaemonFC[m]You'd think they'd have some.Jun 27 01:22
schestowitzPH is 'Asiyan' (how they'd pronounce it)Jun 27 01:22
schestowitzASEANJun 27 01:22
schestowitz+47,093 Jun 27 01:23
schestowitzneck-to-neck with Brazil nowJun 27 01:23
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, you overpopulate and everyone's fucking poor.Jun 27 01:23
schestowitz+46,907 brazilJun 27 01:23
schestowitzgo USA!Jun 27 01:23
DaemonFC[m]Then you wonder why the rich countries are where they managed to stem the tide in the reproduction rate.Jun 27 01:23
schestowitznumba' one!Jun 27 01:23
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: it's more complicated than thisJun 27 01:23
DaemonFC[m]It still gets a lot worse than the US. Like, most of the world.....Jun 27 01:24
schestowitzthe angle of child mortality, financial comfort (not relying on kids to support you), longevity, surrounding, culture... child 'shame' (having too many kids of social stigma)Jun 27 01:24
DaemonFC[m]Oh my God. What's so complicated about "Your country is swimming in sewage and you can cut the air with a knife because you have a billion people in a city!"?Jun 27 01:24
DaemonFC[m]London was just godawful not more than 100 years ago.Jun 27 01:25
DaemonFC[m]Cut the shit. Birth control. Environmental protection laws.Jun 27 01:25
schestowitzstill isJun 27 01:26
schestowitzunless you are rich or borrow a lotJun 27 01:26
schestowitzit's like manhattan to live in it... near the centerJun 27 01:26
schestowitzor centreJun 27 01:26
DaemonFC[m]yeah, like Chicago.Jun 27 01:26
DaemonFC[m]Chicago is bad, and very overpriced.Jun 27 01:26
DaemonFC[m]Especially closer to the downtown area.Jun 27 01:26
schestowitzLondon is inward immigration hubJun 27 01:26
schestowitzit also attracts some truly brilliant people thoughJun 27 01:26
schestowitzit's brain-draining some of the worldJun 27 01:27
schestowitzwhich is why I'm not against Jun 27 01:27
schestowitzSF in US.. sameJun 27 01:27
DaemonFC[m]The US has been brain drained. They call it Trump.Jun 27 01:27
schestowitzyes, it does harmJun 27 01:28
schestowitzbut...Jun 27 01:28
schestowitzso was Bush IIJun 27 01:28
schestowitzI know some who left back thenJun 27 01:28
schestowitzsmart peopleJun 27 01:28
schestowitzhard-working peopleJun 27 01:28
schestowitzthose who could still migrateJun 27 01:28
schestowitzthe people I see now yearning to move to the US are fascistsJun 27 01:28
schestowitzlike right-wing nutsJun 27 01:28
schestowitzthey see the US as a land of opportunity for ethnostatesJun 27 01:29
schestowitzand I'm not exaggerating... there's at least one trump proponent in this channel who's like thatJun 27 01:29
schestowitz+47,198Jun 27 01:31
schestowitzBolsonaro 300 cases shy todayJun 27 01:31
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schestowitzEurope as a whole does 47k in a whole week maybe, combinedJun 27 01:31
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schestowitz+47,200Jun 27 01:36
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schestowitzRussia+Europe deaths: +47,200Jun 27 01:37
schestowitzoopsJun 27 01:37
schestowitz598Jun 27 01:37
schestowitzUS 660Jun 27 01:37
schestowitz+47,224Jun 27 01:40
schestowitzthat's what you call "Spreading out of control"Jun 27 01:40
schestowitzand contract tracing would seem like more of a joke than everJun 27 01:40
schestowitzunless it does nothing but providing some stats about number of cases per area, as a generic guidance re threat of infectionJun 27 01:41
schestowitzJapan says it has 836 known active casesJun 27 01:42
schestowitzso it can map these stillJun 27 01:42
schestowitzor isolate those peopleJun 27 01:42
schestowitzor house them in special hospital unitsJun 27 01:42
schestowitzyou cannot do that with 1.5 million subjectsJun 27 01:42
schestowitzmaybe orange nazi will just say some "herd" thing (immunity) and urge to just "let it spread" and "be done with the whole thing"Jun 27 01:43
schestowitza couple of million deaths later and it's MAGA!Jun 27 01:43
schestowitzand US tourists will be viewed like lepers by the whole world, inc. mx and caJun 27 01:43
schestowitz+47,230Jun 27 01:48
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schestowitzseems like the final total was +47,341Jun 27 02:11
CrystalMathwhy would anyone care about how many people got the cold yesterdayJun 27 02:33
CrystalMaththis is the silliest statistic i've ever seenJun 27 02:33
CrystalMathi work at a university and i've been around hundreds of students last weekJun 27 02:34
CrystalMaththe vast majority wore no masks at allJun 27 02:34
superkuhBecause over half of the asymptomatic cases have occlusions on ct scans of their lungs. (only one paper, 16/26, chinese, but still).Jun 27 02:34
CrystalMathand i didn't even get a coldJun 27 02:34
CrystalMathsuperkuh: i strongly doubt that, since the lung damage is always caused by an immune response in the case of virusesJun 27 02:35
CrystalMathwhich would not have been measurable without symptomsJun 27 02:35
CrystalMathalso.... the fact that there is something IS a symptomJun 27 02:35
CrystalMathso how can it be asymptomatic anyway?Jun 27 02:35
superkuhThe mechanism wouldn't be cytokine storms in that case, no.Jun 27 02:35
superkuhThese were people who lived with people who were confirmed positive but reported no symptoms but tested positive.Jun 27 02:36
superkuhEr, lived with people who were hospitalized.Jun 27 02:36
superkuhAnyway, calling it the common cold is silly too.Jun 27 02:36
superkuhBut yeah, looking at hospitalizations per day might be a less noisy metric.Jun 27 02:37
CrystalMathin the entire world it couldn't even kill a millionJun 27 02:37
CrystalMaththe flu can do better than thatJun 27 02:37
CrystalMaththe flu can kill 10 million in a yearJun 27 02:37
CrystalMathor moreJun 27 02:37
CrystalMathof course we should be talking about millions deadJun 27 02:38
CrystalMathif it's a serious pandemicJun 27 02:38
CrystalMathbut it's not...Jun 27 02:38
CrystalMaththis virus is actually milder than Setracovirus was when it first hit 1,000 years agoJun 27 02:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: What Are Fedora Labs and How Are They Useful to You? []Jun 27 02:39
CrystalMathi mean, i don't understand in what world do millions NOT die every yearJun 27 02:42
CrystalMathi have never seen such a planetJun 27 02:42
CrystalMathon this one, people die, a lotJun 27 02:42
CrystalMatha LOTJun 27 02:42
CrystalMathlike if you could see every dead person who died today, you'd be shocked at how many that isJun 27 02:42
CrystalMathit's way more than a thousandJun 27 02:42
CrystalMathwould you even have time to get a good look at them? i doubt itJun 27 02:42
CrystalMathand they're all gone foreverJun 27 02:42
CrystalMathit's that easy, to disappear for all eternityJun 27 02:43
CrystalMathactually, i just did the math, you'd literally have less than half a second to look at every person who died todayJun 27 02:47
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Jun 27 02:47
CrystalMathand you'd have to be looking at them for all 24 hoursJun 27 02:47
CrystalMathat just 300-400 milliseconds eachJun 27 02:47
CrystalMathTHAT is how many people dieJun 27 02:48
CrystalMathof course births are even crazier... they occur at 2.5x this rate!Jun 27 02:49
schestowitzsweden reported 50 deaths fridayJun 27 02:52
schestowitzfor 10 million peopleJun 27 02:52
schestowitzwith covid19Jun 27 02:52
schestowitzfor flu they have a shotJun 27 02:52
schestowitzwhich the vulnerable groups takeJun 27 02:53
CrystalMathon average 200 people die every day in swedenJun 27 02:55
schestowitzif we delay this spread long enough we can at least use some plasma to spread the antibodies to those who need themJun 27 02:56
schestowitzCrystalMath: so a quarter died from this virus aloneJun 27 02:56
schestowitzand it's not even widespreadJun 27 02:56
schestowitzin sweden many also die from car accidents, cardiac arrests etc.Jun 27 02:57
schestowitzthose aren't easy to preventJun 27 02:57
CrystalMathaccording to swedish antibody research on covidJun 27 02:57
CrystalMath50x more people had itJun 27 02:57
CrystalMaththan was reportedJun 27 02:57
CrystalMathwhich is obvious, since they had NO measures at allJun 27 02:57
CrystalMathof course everyone's gonna get itJun 27 02:57
CrystalMathof course it's not *nothing*, some people are gonna dieJun 27 02:57
CrystalMathbut it's not gonna double the death rateJun 27 02:57
CrystalMathespecially not in the whole yearJun 27 02:58
CrystalMathyou'll see it round outJun 27 02:58
schestowitzthey're one of the world's worstJun 27 02:58
CrystalMathas many of the peopl who diedJun 27 02:58
CrystalMath*peopleJun 27 02:58
schestowitzmore than one in 2000 diedJun 27 02:58
CrystalMathwould have died anywhereJun 27 02:58
schestowitzin a few monthsJun 27 02:58
CrystalMath*anywayJun 27 02:58
CrystalMathit's normal for 6,000-ish to die in sweden every monthJun 27 02:58
CrystalMathif some died earlier than they would have normallyJun 27 02:58
CrystalMath(which is tbh ALWAYS the case, the question is just by how much)Jun 27 02:59
CrystalMathyou'll see it round outJun 27 02:59
CrystalMathultimately it'll be nothing more than a tiny blipJun 27 02:59
schestowitzin the UK they calculated number of deaths for the quarter or monthJun 27 02:59
schestowitzand found that the number increased by about 50kJun 27 02:59
schestowitzso those are 50k extra deathsJun 27 02:59
CrystalMathearlier deathsJun 27 02:59
schestowitznot people who "would have died anyway"Jun 27 02:59
CrystalMathEVERYONE will die anywayJun 27 02:59
CrystalMathit's just a matter of whenJun 27 02:59
schestowitzthis is a silly debateJun 27 03:00
schestowitzI'm out of here... bblJun 27 03:00
CrystalMathif it's old people the statistical blip will be insignificantJun 27 03:00
CrystalMathtbh, if your governments wantedJun 27 03:00
CrystalMaththey could have easily hid COVID-19Jun 27 03:00
CrystalMathnot that that would be greatJun 27 03:00
insmodppaCrystalMath: One day you and your loved ones too will become old/poor/lame and be an "insignificant blip".Jun 27 03:04
CrystalMathgive it enough time and my entire life will be an insignificant blipJun 27 03:06
CrystalMathand all our livesJun 27 03:07
CrystalMathand the entire lifetime of humanityJun 27 03:07
CrystalMathwhat i'm saying is, whether there's something to fear? yes and noJun 27 03:07
CrystalMathyou can't ever count on being aliveJun 27 03:07
CrystalMaththe universe does not accept that as your rightJun 27 03:08
CrystalMathbeing alive is a huge privilegeJun 27 03:08
CrystalMathso i mean, we're all gonna die... but when? who cares... we were born without our consent and we'll all die without our consentJun 27 03:09
CrystalMathjust live for todayJun 27 03:10
schestowitzmake your own closed communityJun 27 03:17
schestowitzfence it Jun 27 03:17
schestowitzstay thereJun 27 03:17
schestowitzleave us out of itJun 27 03:18
schestowitzfence yourself in... in some ant-vaxxer ghettoJun 27 03:18
DaemonFC[m]I have no idea who is dying of this, actually. Probably most of them are people who didn't have long left.Jun 27 03:18
schestowitzand good luck with longevity of 25 years like a few centuries back... and child mortality at around 30%Jun 27 03:18
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: they get disconnected fasterJun 27 03:19
schestowitzunless they are rich and importantJun 27 03:19
schestowitzonce they're on the machines they can be on them forever or for months Jun 27 03:19
schestowitzso the respirators/ventilators are passed to those with higher chances of survivingJun 27 03:19
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, it's triage.Jun 27 03:20
schestowitzthe faster it spreads, the more competition there is for these "machines"Jun 27 03:20
schestowitzFL and TX have it hard right nowJun 27 03:20
schestowitzdialysis is the sameJun 27 03:20
schestowitzand many other machinesJun 27 03:20
schestowitzsome keep loved ones in vegetative stateJun 27 03:21
schestowitzthey won't have high priority for food digestion and breathing assistanceJun 27 03:21
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oiaohmCrystalMath:   This has the covid-19 death shape for Australia.Jun 27 03:34
oiaohmYes most of the dead are old but its when you get like 80-89 where you have like 1 in 5 rate gets really hard to hide.Jun 27 03:35
CrystalMathschestowitz: you seem to be complaining about a lot of people for not wanting to go along with your pandemic gameJun 27 03:37
CrystalMathschestowitz: so maybe you people should fence yourself in, see how long you can maintain a worthless lifeJun 27 03:38
CrystalMathi'd rather live for only 30 years but make it countJun 27 03:38
oiaohmschestowitz:   25 years was the time of rome.Jun 27 03:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Longevity of popes and artists between the 13th and the 19th century | International Journal of Epidemiology | Oxford AcademicJun 27 03:38
oiaohmSo that at least 5 centuries back now.Jun 27 03:39
CrystalMathyes that's interestingJun 27 03:39
CrystalMathbut, quantity vs. quality, i guessJun 27 03:40
CrystalMaththe longer our loves have become, all the more empty they areJun 27 03:40
oiaohmRome quality of life was not that great either.Jun 27 03:40
CrystalMath*livesJun 27 03:41
CrystalMathanywayJun 27 03:41
CrystalMathif i'ma gonna be a slave my whole life then i hope that it's as short as possibleJun 27 03:42
oiaohmDepends what kind of slave.Jun 27 03:42
CrystalMathno it doesn'tJun 27 03:42
CrystalMathnot for meJun 27 03:42
oiaohmThere have been historic examples of well treated slaves.Jun 27 03:43
CrystalMathi don't care about thatJun 27 03:43
CrystalMathi believe in freedomJun 27 03:43
CrystalMathhumans should be free, even if it means only living 10 yearsJun 27 03:43
CrystalMathdeath should not be fearedJun 27 03:43
CrystalMathit is better to die than to not live as a free individualJun 27 03:43
DaemonFC[m]Hmmm.Jun 27 03:45
oiaohmIt depends on point in history.    There are historic examples of people in the slave class getting a painless death due to decent living conditions and those in the so call free class getting exposed to toxic chemicals and the like and having a slow painful death.Jun 27 03:45
DaemonFC[m]A Pope that lived to be 78 and survived kidney stone surgery in the 1600s.Jun 27 03:45
DaemonFC[m]Interesting.Jun 27 03:45
CrystalMathslow painful death does not matter if you're a free and responsible individualJun 27 03:46
CrystalMaththe important thing is that you lived your life well, however shortJun 27 03:46
DaemonFC[m]78 back then was like living to be 115 now.Jun 27 03:46
DaemonFC[m]Lots of people live to be 78 now.Jun 27 03:46
oiaohmCrystalMath: You not exactly free if you critically ill for your complete lifespan.Jun 27 03:46
CrystalMathwell if everyone is, we'll evolve past itJun 27 03:47
CrystalMathas long as survivors procreate on timeJun 27 03:47
oiaohmIt really does depend on time in history.  Some point being a slave you have decent life with some freedoms.  Not being a slave equals being sick basically screwed over by bad health for your complete life.Jun 27 03:48
CrystalMathso what?Jun 27 03:48
CrystalMathi mean so whatJun 27 03:48
CrystalMaththat doesn't matter at allJun 27 03:48
oiaohmSo the slave in that time frame gets to use the freedoms.Jun 27 03:48
CrystalMathnature has every right to beat me to a pulpJun 27 03:48
oiaohmthey get.Jun 27 03:48
CrystalMathbut no human doesJun 27 03:48
oiaohmFunny part was the owners of the slaves where doing themselves in with roman times.Jun 27 03:49
oiaohmStuff the slaves were banned from having were in fact toxic and caused bad health.Jun 27 03:49
CrystalMathbut what i mean is, it's better to die somewhere independently than depend on societyJun 27 03:51
oiaohmCrystalMath: its really a mixed bag of when.   Total freedom without the knowledge to live well is normally path to bad health.Jun 27 03:51
CrystalMathand it's better to die from a virus than hide from itJun 27 03:51
CrystalMathSweden has the right ideaJun 27 03:51
oiaohmBad health can be more restrictive than being a slave on what you can do in your life time.Jun 27 03:51
CrystalMathwellJun 27 03:52
CrystalMathwith decades of lacking society's protectionJun 27 03:52
CrystalMathwe would evolve to be tougherJun 27 03:52
CrystalMathand then we'd live 20-30 years alrightJun 27 03:52
CrystalMaththen dieJun 27 03:52
CrystalMaththat's fineJun 27 03:52
CrystalMathbut a ton of people have to die for natural selection to do this jobJun 27 03:53
CrystalMathreally, COVID-19 is nothingJun 27 03:55
CrystalMathwhat humanity needs is massive death therapyJun 27 03:55
CrystalMathi mean, i'm not 30 yet, i really feel old thoughJun 27 03:57
CrystalMathi feel like i don't need to live much moreJun 27 03:57
CrystalMaththe sadness of knowing that i had had the wrong kind of thinking for most of my life is offset by the tranquility in knowing that absolutely nothing matters at allJun 27 03:58
CrystalMathand at the very least, now, near the end, i am fully aware of the truth about this useless worldJun 27 03:59
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CrystalMathidk why i'm here, this channel gives me a lot of frustration but it's also good a lot of the timeJun 27 04:11
oiaohmLot of the younger people to die from covid-19 had lung damage from smoking and the like.Jun 27 04:12
CrystalMathi guess i'm here because i believe in software freedom, which is a kind of individual freedomJun 27 04:12
oiaohmSome of the reasons why the death point in Australia is in the older age group with covid-19 is work place health and safety requirements with dust and the like causing lung damage.Jun 27 04:13
oiaohmSo back in time if covid-19 happened the death rate in the younger could be way higher.Jun 27 04:13
CrystalMathwhat does COVID-19 have to do with software freedom though?Jun 27 04:13
CrystalMathwhy do we talk about it?Jun 27 04:14
oiaohmsoftware freedom has the same problems of the balancing acts.Jun 27 04:14
CrystalMath 27 04:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Don’t watch TV coverage of Covid-19!Jun 27 04:14
CrystalMathas always rms blesses us with his wisdomJun 27 04:15
CrystalMathi'm reading this and i'm like, finally someone normalJun 27 04:16
oiaohmWith Australia I have been watching the heath site that really gives what the current restrictions are and what the current death rates look like and the risk factors.Jun 27 04:17
CrystalMathyes but as rms says, that's a way to traumatize peopleJun 27 04:18
CrystalMathand take focus away from them taking our freedomsJun 27 04:18
CrystalMatha way to fight back would be to ignore COVID-19Jun 27 04:19
CrystalMathas much as we canJun 27 04:19
CrystalMathif you have to follow reports, fine, but why talk about it constantly?Jun 27 04:19
oiaohmto be correct we have be ignoring many illnesses.Jun 27 04:19
oiaohmBefore COVID-19 and having a lot more death than we should have been.Jun 27 04:20
CrystalMathi was always saying we're overpopulatedJun 27 04:20
oiaohmYou think how many people had got out of the habit of washing hands.Jun 27 04:20
CrystalMathand should be dying moreJun 27 04:20
oiaohmYou think about how hospitials of old  use to have soap and sink in every ward.Jun 27 04:20
oiaohmand how many today don't have that.Jun 27 04:21
oiaohmwe got stupid.Jun 27 04:21
CrystalMathi don't go to hospitalsJun 27 04:21
CrystalMathif i'm sick, i die, that's itJun 27 04:21
CrystalMathwho cares about healthJun 27 04:21
CrystalMathscrew health, long live free softwareJun 27 04:21
oiaohmNative tribes people wash there hands more often that most people living in cities before the out break of covid-19.Jun 27 04:22
CrystalMathreally?Jun 27 04:22
CrystalMathewwJun 27 04:22
oiaohmYes really.Jun 27 04:22
CrystalMathbut that's not about free softwareJun 27 04:22
oiaohmThis is basics.Jun 27 04:22
oiaohmWe get the basics of health bad because we get lazy.    Software UI being crap is kind of the same thing.Jun 27 04:23
oiaohmHuman nature is to be lazy is a fairly annoying problem.Jun 27 04:23
CrystalMathokay that's a good pointJun 27 04:23
oiaohmEverything put forwards so far to control covid-19 is basically stuff we should have really been doing anyhow.Jun 27 04:24
CrystalMathnot everythingJun 27 04:25
CrystalMathsocial distancing is badJun 27 04:25
oiaohmsocial distancing when ill we should have been doing.Jun 27 04:25
CrystalMathyes but only when illJun 27 04:25
oiaohmBut we had stopped doing that.Jun 27 04:25
oiaohmAlso social distancing 1.5 meters is about the distancing that has been classed as historically acceptable. 27 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Proxemics | Interesting Thing of the DayJun 27 04:35
oiaohmCrystalMath: lot of studies getting too close due cause humans to stress why there has been such thing as personal space.   Again social distancing of 1.5 as a target will give like a average of 1.3 that is what studies say humans like and that is before covid-19.Jun 27 04:36
oiaohmIts the old historic thing respect person personal space but we now call it social distancing.Jun 27 04:37
CrystalMathbanning people from hugging is not acceptableJun 27 04:39
CrystalMathand, not acceptedJun 27 04:39
oiaohmCrystalMath:   Fun one right getting under 1.2 meters of space in a workplace in Australia could be a dismissal offence and this is before covid-19.Jun 27 04:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | LONG TERM EMPLOYEE DISMISSED FOR INVADING RECEPTIONIST'S PERSONAL SPACE | Employment Law Brisbane - Saines LegalJun 27 04:39
CrystalMathi still shake handsJun 27 04:39
CrystalMathi don't careJun 27 04:39
CrystalMathoiaohm: australia was always fascistJun 27 04:40
oiaohmhJun 27 04:40
oiaohmThat came from UK law.Jun 27 04:40
CrystalMaththe UK was always fascistJun 27 04:40
CrystalMathonly canada maybe isn'tJun 27 04:40
CrystalMathnew zealand is fascistJun 27 04:40
oiaohmShaking hands is a cultural thing.   We have got out out of tip hat and other greeting as well.Jun 27 04:40
CrystalMathi still shake handsJun 27 04:41
CrystalMathand i don't careJun 27 04:41
oiaohmCultures that historically use to shake hands a lot use to be very particular to wash hands before meals and the like.Jun 27 04:41
CrystalMathand i wash my handsJun 27 04:42
CrystalMathall the timeJun 27 04:42
CrystalMathall my life i did it like 20 times a day or moreJun 27 04:42
CrystalMathit just feels wrong when they feel dirtyJun 27 04:42
CrystalMathmaybe it's a tiny OCD-like thingJun 27 04:42
oiaohmRemember there were a lot before covid-19 who would be shaking everyone hand and be lucky to wash hands once a day.Jun 27 04:43
oiaohmAgain doing wrong things.Jun 27 04:43
oiaohmWe need a wake up call on lot of things things.Jun 27 04:43
oiaohmIts like we need wake up call with software development to perform more automated quality control.Jun 27 04:44
oiaohm20 times a day might be too much.   But once per day when shaking everyone hand is absolutely too few.Jun 27 04:44
CrystalMaththere's a difference between personal space and social distancingJun 27 04:46
CrystalMathalsoJun 27 04:46
CrystalMathbecause people can voluntarily give up personal spaceJun 27 04:46
CrystalMathwhile social distancing attempts to make it illegal, foolishlyJun 27 04:46
CrystalMathi saw people hugging even during the height of the pandemicJun 27 04:46
CrystalMathprobably more than usualJun 27 04:46
CrystalMathso in that above case, invading personal space is when it's not voluntaryJun 27 04:47
CrystalMathhowever, just because this was a normal thing, does not mean australia is not fascistJun 27 04:47
oiaohmTo be correct when you think about checkout lines and other things like it.  Its been down right common to invide another person personal space without permission.Jun 27 04:48
oiaohmThat we really should not have been doing.Jun 27 04:48
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oiaohmHuman nature has centuries of prebuilt in programming that we have serous-ally been ignoring for personal gain.   Lot of ways governments should not have had to do social distancing orders if we were giving everyone the personal space our nature tells us we should.Jun 27 04:51
CrystalMathhugging is good, even though it spreads virusesJun 27 04:52
oiaohmRemember that lack of personal space increases human stress that lowers immune system.   So we are programmed to reduced population.Jun 27 04:52
oiaohmHugging when person approves of it yes.Jun 27 04:52
CrystalMathin fact, spreading some viruses is goodJun 27 04:53
oiaohmWhen person does not give them their space right.Jun 27 04:53
oiaohmLot of these little social things we have been missing.Jun 27 04:53
CrystalMathhmm, i'm trying to figure out what's the conspiracy hereJun 27 04:53
CrystalMathis it a conspiracy to drive people crazy by denying them contact with their loved ones, orJun 27 04:54
oiaohmIts one of those hard things.Jun 27 04:54
CrystalMatha conspiracy to make people depend on vaccines by denying them the natural vaccines that are found in weak virusesJun 27 04:54
CrystalMathbecause then they can be charged for itJun 27 04:54
oiaohmIf harmful virus spread is reduced and human stress is reduced cost to medical system is reduced.Jun 27 04:54
CrystalMaththere's some conspiracy, i know itJun 27 04:55
oiaohmvaccines for many types of virus have limit life span.Jun 27 04:55
CrystalMathwell that's good for the sellersJun 27 04:55
oiaohmIncluding coming in contact with nature virus.Jun 27 04:55
CrystalMathyes but natural viruses are freeJun 27 04:55
oiaohmOur immune system is naturally forget full.Jun 27 04:55
oiaohmvery forgot full in fact.Jun 27 04:56
CrystalMaththere must be some conspiracy...Jun 27 04:56
oiaohmHaving low stress so immune system is as strong as possible is more important than vaccines.Jun 27 04:56
oiaohmIn a lot of cases.Jun 27 04:56
CrystalMathah, and! the conspiracy is to make people stressedJun 27 04:56
CrystalMathby sending agents to constantly talk about the pandemicJun 27 04:57
CrystalMathyou must be one of those agentsJun 27 04:57
oiaohmlack of personal space also causes stress as well.Jun 27 04:57
oiaohmThis is a mixed bag event.Jun 27 04:57
CrystalMathyeah most people don't like crowdsJun 27 04:57
CrystalMathidkJun 27 04:57
CrystalMathbut there's a lot more stress in constantly talking about the pandemicJun 27 04:58
oiaohmthat is built in human nature not to like crowds.Jun 27 04:58
oiaohmbecause most crowds ingore personal space.Jun 27 04:58
oiaohmMaybe we will like crowds like respect socail distancing/indirectly personal space.Jun 27 04:58
oiaohmI see this as experiment on a large scale..Jun 27 04:59
CrystalMathi see this as an evil conspiracyJun 27 04:59
CrystalMathi just need to figure out about whatJun 27 04:59
CrystalMathbut the globalist elites cannot have a nice thought in their mindJun 27 05:00
CrystalMathnot even oneJun 27 05:00
CrystalMaththey're cursed that way, i don't know howJun 27 05:00
CrystalMaththe UN is all full of globalists and should not be listened to, everJun 27 05:00
oiaohmIt was globalist elites who resisted stopping travel because it would effect their bottom line.Jun 27 05:01
oiaohmIts also globalist elites who got rid of all this historic quarantine stations. Jun 27 05:01
oiaohmThe complete covid-19 mess would have been way less with proper controls.Jun 27 05:02
oiaohmProper controls mean more regulation and restrictions on what globalists can do.Jun 27 05:03
oiaohmCrystalMath: so really there has been a conspiracy before covid-19 to take apart all the disease spread control systems.Jun 27 05:03
CrystalMaththat's a conspiracy i would have participated inJun 27 05:03
CrystalMathit's a good oneJun 27 05:04
CrystalMathleave it to fateJun 27 05:04
oiaohmYou think how little cold and flu you would need to sell treatment for if global spread of illness was in fact controlled.Jun 27 05:04
CrystalMathif you get sick, fight it yourself, or dieJun 27 05:04
oiaohmYou are talking billions of dollars of income per year called by cold and flu spread that is caused by air travell and the like not having proper disease control.Jun 27 05:05
oiaohmIt major drug companies.Jun 27 05:05
oiaohmIt/toJun 27 05:05
insmodppaThe huge flu shot industry popped out of nowhere.Jun 27 05:06
oiaohmExactly as a solution to avoid having to maintain proper disease control.Jun 27 05:06
oiaohmand to make more money.Jun 27 05:06
oiaohmYes when covid-19 turned it remember it was we will just make another vaccine that will fix the problem again.Jun 27 05:07
oiaohmThese hacky solutions at some point fail to work right.Jun 27 05:07
insmodppaThe last time I saw my doctor was years ago and recently when asked if I got my flu shot, they were shocked to find I never got one. Looks like they made it compulsary even for healthy people with functioning immune systems (Why?).Jun 27 05:10
CrystalMathi never got a flu shotJun 27 05:18
CrystalMathin my lifeJun 27 05:18
CrystalMathhowever, i did get vaccinated for dangerous diseasesJun 27 05:19
CrystalMathand after years of thinkingJun 27 05:19
CrystalMathtook the measles one as wellJun 27 05:19
CrystalMath(i was still a kid at the time)Jun 27 05:19
CrystalMathbut the flu? come onJun 27 05:20
oiaohmMeasles is horrible dangerous.   Not only is it a risk.  It makes your immune system forget everything it basically learnt.   Without how forgot full the human immune system is the thing does not need help to forget.Jun 27 05:23
CrystalMathwell i didn't get measlesJun 27 05:23
CrystalMathi got the measles vaccine, MMRJun 27 05:23
oiaohmThere are some illness there vaccine is absolutely the right thing.Jun 27 05:23
oiaohmthere/theJun 27 05:23
CrystalMathbut i mean, i don't really care if i dieJun 27 05:23
CrystalMathif i die, just chalk it up to fateJun 27 05:24
CrystalMathmaybe i didn't want to die back then when i was 13Jun 27 05:24
CrystalMaththat was too littleJun 27 05:24
CrystalMathnow i don't really careJun 27 05:24
CrystalMathi can get AIDS, i won't treat itJun 27 05:24
CrystalMathi'll let it kill itJun 27 05:25
CrystalMath*kill meJun 27 05:25
oiaohmReally its the ass ones that don't kill you.Jun 27 05:25
CrystalMathokay i suppose i am little worried about leprosyJun 27 05:25
CrystalMaththat one is nasty, butJun 27 05:25
oiaohmChickenpox virus in older life is shingles and shingles is depression. Jun 27 05:26
CrystalMathi did get a vaccine for MycobacteriaJun 27 05:26
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CrystalMathoh, i have VZVJun 27 05:26
CrystalMaththe virus, not the vaccineJun 27 05:26
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CrystalMathit's properly installed into my immune systemJun 27 05:26
CrystalMatherrJun 27 05:26
CrystalMathnervous systemJun 27 05:26
oiaohmthat would have been one to avoid if you could.Jun 27 05:26
CrystalMathbeing an alphaherpesvirus, it hides in the nervous systemJun 27 05:26
CrystalMathothers hide in B-cellsJun 27 05:27
oiaohmvaccines against those pains in the ass I agree with absolutely.Jun 27 05:27
CrystalMathi don't think a VZV vaccine was even availableJun 27 05:27
CrystalMathwhen i was a kidJun 27 05:27
oiaohmand you are going to pay for it now.Jun 27 05:28
CrystalMathwhy?Jun 27 05:28
CrystalMathi don't mind having VZV installed in my immune systemJun 27 05:28
CrystalMathit's like a DOS TSR (Terminate and Stay Resident) :PJun 27 05:29
CrystalMathdammit, brain not working, i meant nervous systemJun 27 05:29
oiaohmExactly brain not exactly working right and having to be more focused on avoiding depresssion that you would have had to be without it.Jun 27 05:30
CrystalMathwell i was never exactly cheerfulJun 27 05:32
CrystalMathbut really VZV changed nothingJun 27 05:32
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oiaohmCrystalMath: Like it or not VZV would have changes things a little.  As in even less happy go lucky than where you started.  Jun 27 06:18
CrystalMathwho hasn't had VZV thoughJun 27 06:29
oiaohmI had vaccine so me.Jun 27 06:31
CrystalMathyes but tons of people on the planet had VZVJun 27 06:33
CrystalMathand throughout historyJun 27 06:33
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Programming Leftovers []Jun 27 13:05
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s leftovers []Jun 27 13:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 27/6/2020: rpminspect 1.0 and Godot Engine 3.2.2 []Jun 27 13:22
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oiaohm   this stuff is why I was like why do we need covid applications at all.Jun 27 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | A Tech Company Spied On Police Brutality ProtestersJun 27 15:15
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Mint 20 “Ulyana” Now Officially Out []Jun 27 17:01
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Games: Need For Speed Heat, #Supraland and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive #games #gnu #linux []Jun 27 17:11
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DaemonFC[m]I think PrEP has been disastrously successful. The pharma industry got their new product.Jun 27 19:25
DaemonFC[m]Now that people think they're safe from HIV, they throw caution to the wind and there's been an explosion of everything  else, which I'm sure it totally explainable as "Of course people are reading the advice to keep using condoms and taking it to heart, and are totally not fucking random people from Grindr and saying 'I'm on PrEP! No condoms necessary!'".Jun 27 19:26
DaemonFC[m]So on top of an explosion of the everything else category, which is not good, now we're seeing late night tv ads for lawyers asking if you've had terrible side effects from Truvada.Jun 27 19:27
DaemonFC[m]People think "Oh God, I hate condoms." but they make all different kinds and chances are you didn't go down the line testing different ones. Jun 27 19:28
DaemonFC[m]Also, I read studies about condoms where people self-report doing all kinds of dumb things with them.Jun 27 19:28
DaemonFC[m]It's really all kind of a guess how effective they are, but I'd say if you're not an idiot.....Mid to high 90s as a percentage. Jun 27 19:29
DaemonFC[m]My mom, who actually is a nurse, should know better about a lot of things.Jun 27 19:30
DaemonFC[m]She goes "Well, 95% isn't 100%." I said, well, no it's not, but it's not like everyone has HIV and your chances of getting it without a condom are 100%.Jun 27 19:30
DaemonFC[m]About 1-2% of the US population has it, and out of that, your odds are something like 1 in 1,000 of getting it if you pick the wrong one.Jun 27 19:31
DaemonFC[m]So 95% less risk than the 1 in 1,000 chance of getting it (unprotected) if you pick the 1.6-ish person in 100 to begin with.Jun 27 19:32
DaemonFC[m]That's actually not all that much danger if you consider it.Jun 27 19:32
DaemonFC[m]And if it breaks and you're uneasy about that, go on one round of PEP and that's that.Jun 27 19:33
DaemonFC[m]PEP isn't extremely profitable for pharma because it's not something people take forever.Jun 27 19:33
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DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: The Catholic church has led to so many unnecessary deaths from AIDS and so much avoidable poverty from overpopulation in the third world.Jun 27 19:36
DaemonFC[m]They're a terrorist organization.Jun 27 19:36
DaemonFC[m]People in modern countries are abandoning the Catholic church so they're going after primitive folk who have no mental defenses against bullshit.Jun 27 19:36
DaemonFC[m]People make fun of the US for being really religious and backwards, but the percentage of the population that isn't religious has gone from like 4-5% in the early 90s (at least self-reporting at the time) to something like 28% now.Jun 27 19:37
DaemonFC[m]It's going up, up, up because the older people who believe in this die and the younger people who really don't are the ones talking to polling agents now.Jun 27 19:38
DaemonFC[m]The Coronavirus laying waste to the elderly is not great news for the church. It speeds up what's been happening to them anyway by years maybe, and there's nothing they can really do about it.Jun 27 19:38
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Audacity 2.4.2 Released with Updated wxWidgets Library []Jun 27 21:14
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Mint 20 “Ulyana” Released. This is What’s New []Jun 27 21:15
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Jun 27 21:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - EmailJun 27 21:16
schestowitzlolJun 27 21:18
schestowitzyes, I did move to reading email once a day years agoJun 27 21:19
schestowitzwished I had that that FAR soonerJun 27 21:19
schestowitzemail can be a waste of time, most of the time (not always, but mostly)Jun 27 21:19
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: System76’s Oryx Pro is a portable Linux powerhouse []Jun 27 21:21
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DaemonFC[m]I did bankruptcy by email mostly.Jun 27 21:33
DaemonFC[m]Because of the virus.Jun 27 21:33
DaemonFC[m]Much more convenient than meeting with lawyers and filling out paper forms and getting everything in hard copy, and driving to the court.Jun 27 21:34
DaemonFC[m]John turned out to be a lot like the android Ash at the end of Alien.Jun 27 21:35
DaemonFC[m]"I can't lie to you about your chances.......but you have my sympathies.".Jun 27 21:35
DaemonFC[m]Later, the company execs "We went over the pod inch by inch and didn't find any traces of that thing you described.".Jun 27 21:36
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DaemonFC[m]Ripley goes, "Good. That's because I blew it out of a goddamned airlock!".Jun 27 21:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - EternalJun 27 21:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Message From the @tuxmachines Editors []Jun 27 21:49
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: today’s howtos []Jun 27 22:30
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: RPI4 & Ubuntu MATE - How to enable video acceleration []Jun 27 22:31
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers []Jun 27 22:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Mint 20 is Officially Available Now! The Performance and Visual Improvements Make it an Exciting New Release []Jun 27 22:36
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Classic Board Games You Can Play on Linux []Jun 27 22:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - TowerJun 27 22:46
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: +36,026 so far todayJun 27 23:16
schestowitzmight make it to 40+ againJun 27 23:16
schestowitzi.e. second highestJun 27 23:16
DaemonFC[m] 27 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Coca-Cola suspends social media advertising despite Facebook changes - BBC NewsJun 27 23:17
*DaemonFC[m] sent a long message: < >Jun 27 23:17
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: +40,521Jun 27 23:31
schestowitza few more hours to goJun 27 23:31
schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: we suspend buying anything from Coca-Cola tooJun 27 23:31
schestowitzThose brands pretend to value ethicsJun 27 23:31
schestowitzvery convenient charm offensive, but I hope it does help 'kill' FB is not social control media in generalJun 27 23:32
schestowitzi've just taken a photo of my desk 27 23:32
schestowitzI think that incarnation will last long, suits me better than anything I tried beforeJun 27 23:32
schestowitzI can see as much as IRC channels now without having to shift  virtual desktopsJun 27 23:33
schestowitzLF: +9,585Jun 27 23:34
schestowitz*FLJun 27 23:34
schestowitzTX: +4,408 Jun 27 23:34
schestowitzcovid loves old fleshJun 27 23:34
schestowitznot sure what this may do to senior citizens in FLJun 27 23:34
schestowitz1000 can become a million very fastJun 27 23:35
schestowitzR/GOP states score higher for new casesJun 27 23:36
schestowitzwhich I suppose is predicableJun 27 23:36
schestowitzeven masks have become 'politicised'Jun 27 23:36
schestowitzas if the choice to cover mouth and nose is dependent upon which corporate political party you support.... SMHJun 27 23:36
schestowitzPuerto Rico tested 13,022Jun 27 23:37
schestowitzand 7,066 came out positiveJun 27 23:37
schestowitzhence more than half, but i suppose they only test those who already show symptomsJun 27 23:37
schestowitz15,577 cases in US militaryJun 27 23:38
schestowitz37 deadJun 27 23:38
schestowitz21,137 in VAJun 27 23:39
schestowitzwith  1,580 deadJun 27 23:39
schestowitz+40,656Jun 27 23:44
schestowitzmaybe they'll break a record againJun 27 23:44
schestowitzratings of Orange One flailing Jun 27 23:45
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: The Major Components of an Embedded Linux System []Jun 27 23:49
CrystalMathso this channel is now #covid19Jun 27 23:50
CrystalMathor #hatetrumpJun 27 23:50
CrystalMathmeanwhile nobody here cares about free software anymoreJun 27 23:52
CrystalMath(except me)Jun 27 23:52
CrystalMaththe only important thing seems to be getting rid of Trump or protecting yourself from the COCO-19Jun 27 23:52
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Itinerary, Qt Quick, and GCompris []Jun 27 23:53
CrystalMathcan someone tell me though, was this channel always this bad?Jun 27 23:54
CrystalMathwhy isn't anyone speaking up against the widespread use of Zoom?Jun 27 23:54
CrystalMaththat's non-free softwareJun 27 23:54
CrystalMaththere's so many things to talk about and all we talk about here is Trump and COCO-19Jun 27 23:54
MinceRwell, have you brought up any different topics?Jun 27 23:55
CrystalMathtouchéJun 27 23:55
DaemonFC[m]People are fucking dumb.Jun 27 23:56
CrystalMathidk, my problem is that i'm extremely frustrated to read the stuff that is talked about here, so maybe i should go somewhere elseJun 27 23:56
DaemonFC[m]I'm not touching Zoom.Jun 27 23:56
schestowitzwe speak out against ZoomJun 27 23:56
schestowitzand "COCO" is a big dealJun 27 23:56
CrystalMathCOCO, btw, stands for COmmon COldJun 27 23:56
schestowitzand in case you didn't notice it impacts every country on this planet, every person too...Jun 27 23:56
MinceRi thought it stood for Conan O'BrienJun 27 23:56
schestowitzand it's a factor in the rise of this zoom malwareJun 27 23:56
schestowitzChanelJun 27 23:57
schestowitzthe techrights (coco) channelJun 27 23:57
CrystalMath:PJun 27 23:57
schestowitzsometimes tech, sometimes common cold ;-)Jun 27 23:57
schestowitzGabrielle Bonheur "Coco" ChanelJun 27 23:58
schestowitz"Gabrielle Bonheur "Coco" Chanel (19 August 1883 – 10 January 1971) was a French fashion designer, businesswoman and Nazi collaborator"Jun 27 23:58
schestowitzLike Hugo BossJun 27 23:59
schestowitz(from Wikipedia)Jun 27 23:59
CrystalMathyes i knowJun 27 23:59
schestowitz"In 2011, Hal Vaughan published a book about Chanel based on newly declassified documents, revealing that she had collaborated directly with the Nazi intelligence service, the Sicherheitsdienst. One plan in late 1943 was for her to carry an SS peace overture to British Prime Minister Winston Churchill to end the war."Jun 27 23:59

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