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scientes | what was the conference? | Aug 27 02:29 |
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scientes | and who cares if there is no female speakers? | Aug 27 02:29 |
scientes | (and who cares if there are only female speakers?) | Aug 27 02:29 |
scientes | I'm sick are tired of that sort of attitude | Aug 27 02:29 |
scientes | it tears society apart | Aug 27 02:29 |
scientes | it should not be illegal to have a all-male or all-female group | Aug 27 02:30 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Which conference? | Aug 27 02:45 |
scientes | you guys seem to be talking about a conference | Aug 27 02:46 |
scientes | in which you asked RMS some question | Aug 27 02:46 |
scientes | I could really follow the scrollback | Aug 27 02:46 |
XRevan86 | scientes: TechTrain | Aug 27 03:01 |
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MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19080836 | Aug 27 07:27 |
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MinceR | https://ircz.de/p/19080759 | Aug 27 07:48 |
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a1batross | hi~ | Aug 27 08:09 |
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XRevan86 | a1batross: hi | Aug 27 09:45 |
XRevan86 | MinceR: "https://ircz.de/p/19080759" – could be intentional. | Aug 27 09:46 |
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scientes | > Pride and Prejudice. Why do we think we are smart? | Aug 27 12:41 |
scientes | hehe, showing off his knowledge of English | Aug 27 12:41 |
scientes | > Does Microsoft have a future in Russia, or why we should stop hating | Aug 27 12:42 |
scientes | hehe, Microsoft gives version of this talk at almost every conference in existance | Aug 27 12:42 |
scientes | for like the last 10 years | Aug 27 12:42 |
XRevan86 | "love us!" | Aug 27 12:44 |
scientes | to prevent things like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOQZ8MRvB4 | Aug 27 12:45 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Steve Ballmer Gets Egged - YouTube | Aug 27 12:45 | |
XRevan86 | scientes: What does the guy say? | Aug 27 12:46 |
scientes | IIRC he was mad at Microsoft extracting so much money from Hungary | Aug 27 12:46 |
scientes | you mean in the talk? | Aug 27 12:47 |
XRevan86 | scientes: The guy in the white shirt. He says something, but I can barely make it out. | Aug 27 12:47 |
scientes | Well, Microsoft does employee lots of academics, and thus basically functions as a research university, and has thus had accomplishments in formally proven crypto and theorum solvers | Aug 27 12:48 |
scientes | oh, I don't feel like watching that video again | Aug 27 12:48 |
scientes | that comes from my days in this channel years ago | Aug 27 12:48 |
scientes | oh, Russian has this sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOQZ8MRvB4 | Aug 27 12:50 |
scientes | ehhh день | Aug 27 12:50 |
scientes | it really annoys me that you can't copy-paste from google translate | Aug 27 12:50 |
scientes | i think its because they are drawing the fonts in javascript or something | Aug 27 12:50 |
scientes | день | Aug 27 12:51 |
scientes | heh, yandex translate is fine | Aug 27 12:51 |
scientes | perhaps they wrote it before web fonts | Aug 27 12:51 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Ďeň | Aug 27 12:51 |
scientes | so that's what ь does | Aug 27 12:51 |
scientes | but that last sound is unfamiliar | Aug 27 12:52 |
XRevan86 | scientes: It's a ñ | Aug 27 12:52 |
scientes | and very stereotypical Russian too :) | Aug 27 12:52 |
scientes | oh really | Aug 27 12:52 |
XRevan86 | scientes: "ь" is to slender a consonant without a leading vowel. | Aug 27 12:52 |
XRevan86 | Historically a slendering schwa, when Slavic languages didn't have consonant clusters. | Aug 27 12:53 |
scientes | > didn't have consonant clusters. | Aug 27 12:53 |
scientes | oh wow, so English was more gutteral | Aug 27 12:53 |
scientes | those consonant clusters are hard | Aug 27 12:54 |
scientes | (until you know them of course) | Aug 27 12:54 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Usually they're trimmed verbally. | Aug 27 12:54 |
scientes | Have you seen "O, Brother, Where Art Thou?" | Aug 27 12:55 |
scientes | that's a great movie | Aug 27 12:55 |
scientes | just watched it again last night | Aug 27 12:55 |
XRevan86 | scientes: The first time I hear about it %) | Aug 27 12:55 |
scientes | Adaptation of the Odyssey | Aug 27 12:56 |
scientes | but a really good one | Aug 27 12:56 |
scientes | XRevan86, I have heard | Aug 27 12:57 |
XRevan86 | scientes: It's not uncommon to hear "pasiba" instead of "spasibo" | Aug 27 12:57 |
scientes | that's just laziness | Aug 27 12:57 |
scientes | The Argentina accent of Spanish is quite different | Aug 27 12:58 |
XRevan86 | I'm trying to think of a more complex example, but it'll take time %) | Aug 27 12:58 |
scientes | It is easier when it isn't your native language | Aug 27 12:59 |
XRevan86 | S'ejčas → sčas → šas | Aug 27 13:00 |
scientes | hat language? | Aug 27 13:01 |
XRevan86 | щ is historically šč, now it's slender š | Aug 27 13:01 |
scientes | despite be being horrible at Cyrillic, I def. prefer Russian in cyrillic (or IPA for clarity I guess) | Aug 27 13:01 |
XRevan86 | pretty much the same idea, that combination is being commonly simplified. | Aug 27 13:01 |
scientes | cause latin or german english and spanish are totally different | Aug 27 13:02 |
XRevan86 | Сейчас → счас → щас (шяс) | Aug 27 13:02 |
scientes | and you have to know the context | Aug 27 13:02 |
XRevan86 | I based that transliteration on the Czech alphabet | Aug 27 13:02 |
scientes | yeah it looks polish to me | Aug 27 13:02 |
scientes | (not knowing any polish) | Aug 27 13:03 |
XRevan86 | Except they don't have a " S' " letter, but I think that's fair enough to make a digraph by analogy with ť and stuff. | Aug 27 13:03 |
*scientes thinks learning Russian will help with orthographic reasoning | Aug 27 13:04 | |
XRevan86 | In Polish instead of "č" I'd have to use ć or cz | Aug 27 13:04 |
scientes | or resuming my arabic studies | Aug 27 13:04 |
scientes | which never got far | Aug 27 13:04 |
scientes | but even the little I did I could realize it was easier than english | Aug 27 13:04 |
XRevan86 | and ś or sz instead of š | Aug 27 13:04 |
XRevan86 | (slender and broad respectively; cool that they have that distinction by the way) | Aug 27 13:04 |
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scientes | yeah that one I kinda follow | Aug 27 13:05 |
scientes | even with the tiny exposure to Polish (I don't think any czech exposure) | Aug 27 13:05 |
scientes | Bóg się rodzi | Aug 27 13:05 |
XRevan86 | I think to represent Щ in a historically accurate I need to spell it like szcz | Aug 27 13:05 |
XRevan86 | * historically accurate way | Aug 27 13:06 |
XRevan86 | (ru) щука → (pl) szczupak | Aug 27 13:06 |
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XRevan86 | not 1 to 1… | Aug 27 13:07 |
XRevan86 | щелина → szczelina | Aug 27 13:07 |
scientes | There were some polish tourists here too | Aug 27 13:07 |
XRevan86 | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Ru-щука.ogg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Pl-szczupak.ogg | Aug 27 13:08 |
XRevan86 | scientes: There | Aug 27 13:08 |
scientes | oh interesting | Aug 27 13:09 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Emphasis on the first consonant cluster | Aug 27 13:09 |
scientes | yeah the polish actually pronounce it | Aug 27 13:09 |
XRevan86 | in Russian there isn't any, comtemporarily | Aug 27 13:09 |
XRevan86 | contemporarily | Aug 27 13:09 |
scientes | the "t" against the teeth there | Aug 27 13:09 |
scientes | stew-pack | Aug 27 13:09 |
XRevan86 | shchupak | Aug 27 13:10 |
scientes | yeah | Aug 27 13:10 |
scientes | but with a t | Aug 27 13:10 |
scientes | shchtupak | Aug 27 13:10 |
XRevan86 | scientes: No, I don't hear that… | Aug 27 13:10 |
scientes | its the tsu sound | Aug 27 13:10 |
scientes | which is in chinese | Aug 27 13:10 |
scientes | or japaneese | Aug 27 13:10 |
scientes | with a s before | Aug 27 13:11 |
XRevan86 | scientes: č and ť are close, maybe that's why you hear it | Aug 27 13:11 |
scientes | but the polish spelling is good | Aug 27 13:11 |
scientes | ahh yes, i think you are right | Aug 27 13:11 |
scientes | i think it is hungarian that lacks a v в sound. | Aug 27 13:12 |
scientes | And I went to a wedding once where the bridge practiced saying "vow" for weeks beforehand | Aug 27 13:12 |
scientes | *beide | Aug 27 13:12 |
XRevan86 | scientes: The alphabet has it | Aug 27 13:12 |
scientes | hmm, it was one of those eastern european languages | Aug 27 13:12 |
scientes | there are so many of them | Aug 27 13:13 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Maybe Finnish | Aug 27 13:13 |
XRevan86 | w:Finnish orthography: "Typically pronounced as approximant [ʋ] rather than fricative [v]." | Aug 27 13:13 |
scientes | like in "win"? | Aug 27 13:14 |
XRevan86 | So if they were trying not to say "wow", then that checks out | Aug 27 13:14 |
scientes | yeah pretty much | Aug 27 13:14 |
scientes | lol, its in the video game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1yD3_EL90Y Bóg się rodzi | Aug 27 13:15 |
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XRevan86 | Бог, родись? | Aug 27 13:17 |
scientes | are you just transliterating? | Aug 27 13:17 |
XRevan86 | The birth of Jesus or something? | Aug 27 13:17 |
scientes | basically | Aug 27 13:18 |
scientes | its the biggest Polish christmas carol | Aug 27 13:18 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Almost, I also have to move "się" after "rodzi" | Aug 27 13:18 |
scientes | My orchestra director was Polish so we played it | Aug 27 13:18 |
XRevan86 | rodzi-się → роди-ся → родись | Aug 27 13:19 |
XRevan86 | + knowing that ď shifted to dz in Polish | Aug 27 13:19 |
scientes | oh wow | Aug 27 13:19 |
scientes | I thought the languages were more distinct than that | Aug 27 13:20 |
XRevan86 | rodzi-się → родзи-сѧ → роди-ся → родись | Aug 27 13:20 |
scientes | but I guess they are both slavic languages | Aug 27 13:21 |
XRevan86 | scientes: I'm not sure I would've picked that in verbal communication. | Aug 27 13:22 |
XRevan86 | "się" doesn't sound much like "s'a", more like "s'en" | Aug 27 13:22 |
scientes | well, word choice is the first thing that goes in divergent languages | Aug 27 13:23 |
scientes | even British and American english have quite a few differences there | Aug 27 13:23 |
XRevan86 | And a little more background: "сѧ" is a historical word for self | Aug 27 13:24 |
XRevan86 | in an accusative form | Aug 27 13:24 |
XRevan86 | So it's a reflective pronoun. | Aug 27 13:25 |
XRevan86 | In родись and się rodzi | Aug 27 13:25 |
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scientes | this is a totally different topic, but it kinda ticks me that the US refuses to use the word Persian because they hate Iran so much | Aug 27 13:26 |
XRevan86 | but for some reason Polish and Russian differ in where to put it | Aug 27 13:26 |
scientes | and instead say "farsi" | Aug 27 13:26 |
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XRevan86 | scientes: Seems to be mostly the same thing %) | Aug 27 13:28 |
scientes | yes, but they are trying to remove the association | Aug 27 13:29 |
scientes | anyways, I just used "Persian" here yesterday and was understood | Aug 27 13:29 |
scientes | have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/user/PronunciationManual/videos | Aug 27 13:29 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PronunciationManual - YouTube | Aug 27 13:29 | |
XRevan86 | Prince of Farsia | Aug 27 13:30 |
scientes | so apparently there is an "Israel", but no "Persia" | Aug 27 13:31 |
scientes | that's the jist of it | Aug 27 13:31 |
XRevan86 | scientes: "How to Pronounce Dalek" | Aug 27 13:32 |
XRevan86 | That's not how I pronounce "Dalek", or how daleks pronounce "Dalek" %) | Aug 27 13:33 |
XRevan86 | scientes: This is mad | Aug 27 13:33 |
XRevan86 | scientes: What is the purpose of this channel? %) | Aug 27 13:34 |
scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJRyeUDfthk | Aug 27 13:34 |
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scientes | XRevan86, when you have spent way to much of your time memorizing these things, its pretty funny | Aug 27 13:35 |
scientes | this is why i remembered it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afbAPAEMU1E | Aug 27 13:36 |
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XRevan86 | scientes: heh | Aug 27 13:37 |
XRevan86 | scientes: They should do "Slovakia with a slovakian accent" | Aug 27 13:39 |
XRevan86 | Slovakia is Slovenska republika and Slovenia is Republika Slovenija | Aug 27 13:41 |
XRevan86 | Either way a словѧнская republic %) | Aug 27 13:42 |
XRevan86 | * словѣнская | Aug 27 13:42 |
XRevan86 | TODO: Figure out how it got to be "славянская" in Russian. Old Church Slavonic influence? | Aug 27 13:43 |
scientes | My experience with Israeli tourists is that too many of them know neither English nor Arabic | Aug 27 13:45 |
scientes | which leads me to compare them to the crusaders that had a colony there temporarily | Aug 27 13:45 |
scientes | and by Arabic accounts were pretty isolated | Aug 27 13:45 |
XRevan86 | scientes: How many of them know Russian? :) | Aug 27 13:45 |
scientes | probably not as many that can afford to travel | Aug 27 13:46 |
scientes | but I hear than phone prompts are usually Hebrew or Russian, with no Arabic or English options | Aug 27 13:46 |
scientes | cause Israel now has lots of the second generation | Aug 27 13:46 |
scientes | that doesn't know the English, French, and German (and Yiddish) that their parents did | Aug 27 13:47 |
scientes | and I guess some spanish too, from Argentina | Aug 27 13:47 |
scientes | I met a Russian-Israeli in Costa Rica | Aug 27 13:48 |
scientes | Persians have very high levels of Arabic knowledge | Aug 27 13:51 |
scientes | because of religion | Aug 27 13:51 |
XRevan86 | хлѣбъ in Bulgarian turned into хляб, but for ѣ in OCS Wikipedia gives a different sound. | Aug 27 13:51 |
XRevan86 | слов- → слав- is explained well by OCS influence as it's similiar to ростение → растение, etc. | Aug 27 13:52 |
scientes | I was just listening to a story that this hitch-hiker couldn't communicate to some pashtuns, but I just don't believe that the pashtuns don't know basic arabic or persian | Aug 27 13:55 |
scientes | or english or course | Aug 27 13:56 |
scientes | " In addition to their native tongue, many Pashtuns are fluent in Urdu, Dari, and English. " | Aug 27 13:56 |
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XRevan86 | > Significantly, from the earliest texts, there was considerable confusion between the yat and the Cyrillic iotified a ⟨ꙗ⟩. One explanation is that the dialect of Thessaloniki (on which the Old Church Slavonic literary language was based), and other South Slavic dialects shifted from /ě/ to /ja/ independently from the Northern and Western branches. | Aug 27 14:18 |
XRevan86 | hmm… | Aug 27 14:18 |
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psydroid | I've been doing the Arabic course on Duolingo lately and one of the reasons why I've found it pretty easy so far is that I recognise a lot of words from Persian and Hindi/Urdu | Aug 27 18:17 |
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MinceR | (also comments) https://imgur.com/gallery/yCKz08b ( https://i.imgur.com/Sq0m6OK.jpg ) | Aug 27 18:59 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/27/0f615c23b09fc68b.jpg | Aug 27 19:19 |
scientes | those protests in hong kong were orchestrated from abroad | Aug 27 19:20 |
scientes | psydroid, i find duolingo horrible, the main app part | Aug 27 19:20 |
scientes | the stories part and the podcast are great | Aug 27 19:20 |
scientes | otherwise I use pimsleurs which is excellent, but they remade the spanish one and the new one is HORRIBLE, so use the old one | Aug 27 19:21 |
scientes | I guess that now that Paul Pimsleur is dead they can only produce crap | Aug 27 19:21 |
scientes | pimsleurs arabic even was able to teach reading | Aug 27 19:22 |
scientes | even though it is focused on listening and speaking and pronounciation | Aug 27 19:22 |
psydroid | scientes, I've been using it to review things or get a start before switching over to other resources such as the many textbooks I have collected over the years. For some languages it can be a bit more useful, but I think many people take it far too seriously. | Aug 27 19:25 |
psydroid | I used Pimsleur for getting familiar with Persian, it was useful for getting an idea of the language | Aug 27 19:26 |
XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/BByig02vJWM | Aug 27 19:40 |
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scientes | psydroid, I am just starting to get functional in spanish, and the pimsleurs has been invaluable. It covers all of the basic grammer in a very short amount of time, and gives you the tools to start talking to patient people | Aug 27 19:43 |
scientes | oh course I am a native english speaker however, and pimsleurs only does english->other and other->english | Aug 27 19:44 |
scientes | I get the feeling that with this plan of building a railroad in Cuba and stuff that the Russians are still acting like soviets, and they are missing a great oppurtunity for US-style diplomacy. There are all these unemployeed Venezuelan engineers---I run into them selling candy on buses | Aug 27 19:45 |
MinceR | https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2019/06/27/685afdfcdf3d224e.mp4 | Aug 27 19:54 |
psydroid | I consider all these resources useful, but when it comes to Romance languages such as Spanish I compare things to how they were in Latin. And when it comes to Slavic languages my reference is usually Sanskrit, going through English isn't really what I tend to do. | Aug 27 19:55 |
psydroid | scientes, Pimsleur is great for that, I agree. It's what is usually missing in the school system, although language education in the Netherlands is pretty good compared to what it's like in other countries | Aug 27 20:02 |
scientes | my school had a good French teacher, but alas, I did not take French (should have) | Aug 27 20:03 |
scientes | so Spanish is really my first foreign language | Aug 27 20:03 |
scientes | on a related note, do have any book recommendations on the Dutch golden age? | Aug 27 20:05 |
scientes | I was suggested this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521604605/ | Aug 27 20:05 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | NO TITLE | Aug 27 20:05 | |
scientes | and this one: https://www.amazon.com/Embarrassment-Riches-Interpretation-Culture-Golden/dp/0679781242/ref=pd_ybh_a_10?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ARGKCF5G9JSFT5E1EVW0 | Aug 27 20:06 |
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psydroid | I don't really have any as I haven't been reading much about Dutch history after finishing high school | Aug 27 20:07 |
scientes | yeah here I am trying to read the high school text book on Peru's history | Aug 27 20:07 |
scientes | It has so many more details about the ice ages and the natives than US text books, which are horrible and don't even mention New Amsterdam | Aug 27 20:10 |
scientes | or New Sweden | Aug 27 20:10 |
psydroid | for the past decade I have been reading more about West and South Asia and Eastern Europe, which more or less coincides with my interest in the languages and cultures of those regions | Aug 27 20:10 |
scientes | when I growing up there was a old Dutch homesteader who first went to the Dakotas, and then Washington | Aug 27 20:14 |
scientes | he loved farming | Aug 27 20:15 |
scientes | he even rented neighbors plots and farmed them even though he hardly broke even | Aug 27 20:15 |
scientes | he would talk of going to the nearest urban area as if it was a major trip, even though I would go every week, and later most people went every day | Aug 27 20:18 |
psydroid | what you are saying about native US and UK text books also rings true with me, so while I do have a lot of books in English, I also try to collect them in other languages. I have quite a sizeable collection of Polish books, but not really had the time to read them. | Aug 27 20:18 |
psydroid | and yes, I realise I should have more in Dutch considering I have spent most of my life living here | Aug 27 20:18 |
psydroid | I grew up on the countryside and didn't go to cities very often | Aug 27 20:19 |
scientes | the Anglos don't like the "middle ages" because England was then a back-water | Aug 27 20:19 |
scientes | Utopia was written in Latin because English wasn't stable enough | Aug 27 20:20 |
psydroid | when I was in my last few years of high school, I borrowed books from the school library and the local municipal libraries | Aug 27 20:23 |
psydroid | which most people never read, so I could keep them for months at a time | Aug 27 20:24 |
scientes | not quite sure about New Sweden, but New Amsterdam was won by an important war between Britian and Dutch | Aug 27 20:24 |
scientes | the "protest wind IIRC" | Aug 27 20:24 |
scientes | *protestant | Aug 27 20:24 |
psydroid | among those was a book with stories in Old English, which I found interesting because it looked more like Dutch than Modern English does | Aug 27 20:25 |
scientes | psydroid, this was really good https://www.amazon.com/Two-Arabic-Travel-Books-Literature/dp/1479803502 | Aug 27 20:25 |
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scientes | and there was also an interest account of the crusaders in Arabic that I read (translated to English) | Aug 27 20:25 |
scientes | well, its really what you are interested in, which seems to be language | Aug 27 20:27 |
scientes | I was interested in the Dutch because once I got a picture of England in the 18th century which was really interesting, it seemed natural to learn about Dutch in the 17th | Aug 27 20:27 |
psydroid | I have many interests such as language, history, science, technology, music etc. but what bothers me a bit is that I don't really excel in anything | Aug 27 20:29 |
scientes | do you play any instruments? | Aug 27 20:29 |
psydroid | only the electric guitar a bit, but I haven't played in almost a decade | Aug 27 20:30 |
scientes | now that I am traveling I miss playing the cello | Aug 27 20:31 |
psydroid | I have had too much going on in my life to spend much any time playing | Aug 27 20:31 |
scientes | I gave up an opportunity to play the solo part of a concerto, but I really am not good enough for that | Aug 27 20:31 |
scientes | by starting my travels | Aug 27 20:32 |
psydroid | I can understand that, especially considering you play at an advanced level | Aug 27 20:32 |
scientes | well, only one movement | Aug 27 20:32 |
scientes | but still | Aug 27 20:32 |
scientes | intermediate level | Aug 27 20:33 |
scientes | when i am around professional musicians I am quite terrible | Aug 27 20:33 |
scientes | but that is mostly because I didn't play for like 10 years | Aug 27 20:34 |
psydroid | are you considering playing again, if you move somewhere you can truly settle for some time? | Aug 27 20:36 |
psydroid | are you considering playing again, if you move somewhere you can truly settle for some time? | Aug 27 20:36 |
scientes | yes, I really want to play again | Aug 27 20:37 |
scientes | in a community orchestra | Aug 27 20:37 |
scientes | I almost rented a cello in Lima | Aug 27 20:37 |
scientes | but am glad I didn't | Aug 27 20:37 |
scientes | and then these guys have such insane technique https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbwAd5gkMM | Aug 27 20:40 |
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psydroid | I know them, but let me see | Aug 27 20:40 |
scientes | those octaves are so difficult | Aug 27 20:40 |
scientes | well, not quite | Aug 27 20:41 |
scientes | but these guys made me look bad :) | Aug 27 20:41 |
psydroid | :) | Aug 27 20:41 |
XRevan86 | https://ain.ua/2018/04/11/vasha-strana-pod-sankciyami/ | Aug 27 20:42 |
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scientes | like here is a more technical piece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP4NzTUmIt4 | Aug 27 20:42 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-HAUSER - Hungarian Rhapsody Op. 68 (LIVE) - YouTube | Aug 27 20:42 | |
XRevan86 | Whoa, this is darn insane | Aug 27 20:42 |
scientes | no here with a full orchestra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKrAS5KBirE | Aug 27 20:42 |
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-HAUSER - Hungarian Rhapsody - YouTube | Aug 27 20:42 | |
XRevan86 | Facebook blocked a fundraiser because the money was intended to go to a "sanctioned" country, i.e. Ukraine. | Aug 27 20:43 |
scientes | XRevan86, that isn't really suprising | Aug 27 20:43 |
scientes | its stupid on the side of the US, but that is going on accross the board right now | Aug 27 20:43 |
XRevan86 | Apparently "Crimea is a part of Ukraine" and "Crimea is under sanctions" turned into "Ukraine is under sanctions" | Aug 27 20:44 |
MinceR | lol | Aug 27 20:44 |
scientes | XRevan86, what is more suprising is that the funcraiser wasn't a CIA thing, like the Venezuela "fundraisers" I've seen in my travels | Aug 27 20:44 |
XRevan86 | scientes: Ukraine!!! | Aug 27 20:44 |
scientes | ohhhhhh I see, they made a mistake | Aug 27 20:44 |
scientes | I found medicines that were probably being asset stripped from a hospital from Ukraine on eBay | Aug 27 20:45 |
scientes | and they also sold all of the gold | Aug 27 20:45 |
scientes | all that is left is to sell the dirt | Aug 27 20:45 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/12/41a59b3a6c5d60d4.jpg | Aug 27 21:56 |
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schestowitz | MinceR: back | Aug 27 22:17 |
schestowitz | While away I noticed it's not easy to get voice here | Aug 27 22:17 |
schestowitz | I'll try to help out giving voice to lurkers | Aug 27 22:17 |
MinceR | :) | Aug 27 22:19 |
MinceR | i have a safeguard in place in case i'm away for a longer period | Aug 27 22:19 |
schestowitz | I tried talking in this channel from Rianne's laptop | Aug 27 22:22 |
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MinceR | https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/08/12/53b5a4e15adc7b42.jpg | Aug 27 22:41 |
schestowitz | [19:43] <MinceR> schestowitz: sorry, i was on holiday and couldn't ssh into my home server (i don't know yet) | Aug 27 22:55 |
schestowitz | no worries | Aug 27 22:55 |
schestowitz | I think my scrrollback was set OK, I've just caught up | Aug 27 22:55 |
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