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schestowitzworth converting?Sep 27 01:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Thompson and Ritchie Story - YouTubeSep 27 01:32
schestowitz Sep 27 01:32
schestowitzunix and what came before it Sep 27 01:32
XRevan86schestowitz: Converting hwat?Sep 27 01:33
schestowitz 27 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Inductee Ken Thompson and the History of C Programming LanguageSep 27 01:34
schestowitz 27 01:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Inductee Dennis Ritchie, Who Invented Unix, Transformed TechnologySep 27 01:34
schestowitzThe videoSep 27 01:34
schestowitzI cannot find a source fileSep 27 01:34
schestowitzjust youtubeSep 27 01:34
schestowitzand it seems to be about patentsSep 27 01:34
schestowitzwhich is ridiculousSep 27 01:34
XRevan86"The Thompson and Ritchie Story"? I haven't heard a mention of patents in those three minutes.Sep 27 01:38
XRevan86Vague analogies and omitted details, just something about the origins of UNIX for the… non-techies.Sep 27 01:39
schestowitzthe links associated with the video's publisherSep 27 01:39
schestowitzinvemt.orgSep 27 01:39
schestowitzinventSep 27 01:39
schestowitzI am working on something at the momentSep 27 01:39
schestowitzthough I don't wanna dwell on the whole systemd thingSep 27 01:39
XRevan86Didn't expect to see Kernighan, has no C++ mentioned in his description :)Sep 27 01:40
schestowitzlots of videos of him, even recent onesSep 27 01:40
schestowitzhe used to look a lot like Steve JobsSep 27 01:40
schestowitzwhen he was youngerSep 27 01:40
XRevan86I saw him in Computerphile, he seem to like interviews.Sep 27 01:41
schestowitzhe is extrovertSep 27 01:42
schestowitzRMS also loves interviews, but he keeps interrupting people he speaks with (or being questioned by)Sep 27 01:42
schestowitz(it's a manners thing)Sep 27 01:42
XRevan86schestowitz: I asked him a question at a con, and he interrupted me :)Sep 27 01:43
schestowitznot a coc violatiomSep 27 01:43
schestowitzbut in libreplanet they did try to make it thatSep 27 01:44
XRevan86Then I lost my trail of thought and that was when I let him finish and left the microphone.Sep 27 01:44
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KWinFT Projects Hit Beta Ahead Of Stable Releases Aligned With KDE Plasma 5.20 []Sep 27 01:46
XRevan86Kind of a missed opportunity but oh well. No one even published the video of that (they were going to), so that incident is effectively lost in the annals of history :)Sep 27 01:46
schestowitz*trainSep 27 01:47
schestowitzof thoughSep 27 01:48
schestowitzyou got derailedSep 27 01:48
schestowitzhe tries to guess the questionSep 27 01:48
schestowitzor finish off the question the way which suits himSep 27 01:48
schestowitzwatch his new RT interviewSep 27 01:48
schestowitzhe does the same thingSep 27 01:48
schestowitzanswering over the questionSep 27 01:49
XRevan86a track of thought I mean, yesSep 27 01:49
schestowitzas soon as he has an objection to a part of the questionSep 27 01:49
schestowitz 27 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Train of thought - WikipediaSep 27 01:49
schestowitzI have a stupid questionSep 27 01:50
schestowitzcan I nuke/zap window decorations in gnome3?Sep 27 01:50
schestowitzThey waste screen spaceSep 27 01:50
schestowitzno use for themSep 27 01:50
XRevan86I get it, it's just that distractions make me forget easily and that strategy got me.Sep 27 01:50
schestowitzXRevan86: did you watch the RT interview?Sep 27 01:51
XRevan86schestowitz: Not the latest one Sep 27 01:51
schestowitz 27 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Richard Stallman: You can get arrested without a reason | Tux MachinesSep 27 01:51
schestowitzno trackingSep 27 01:51
schestowitzit's direct link to their mp4Sep 27 01:51
XRevan86I saw you linking to it, just didn't yet.Sep 27 01:52
schestowitzyou can see it in actionSep 27 01:52
schestowitzshe never finishes a questionSep 27 01:52
schestowitzshe prepares a set of topicSep 27 01:52
schestowitzand he cuts inSep 27 01:52
schestowitzbecause he knows betterSep 27 01:52
schestowitzbut it's bad manners imhoSep 27 01:52
schestowitzat least let her finish, take a note on paper is there's a point you wish to address seconds later without forgettingSep 27 01:52
schestowitzactually, I didn't watch the last 5 minutes of itSep 27 01:53
schestowitzI am going to nowSep 27 01:53
XRevan86I think he's also afraid of losing track and missing a point to address.Sep 27 01:53
XRevan86Heh, used the same words you have :)Sep 27 01:53
schestowitz now, you tell meSep 27 01:54
schestowitzwhy does he hold up something that looks like a phone?Sep 27 01:54
schestowitzis that a headphones set?Sep 27 01:54
schestowitzI mean, he can hear her and there's a camera there, real-timeSep 27 01:54
schestowitzso I don't suppose he uses landlineSep 27 01:54
schestowitz"What do you mean we, white woman?"Sep 27 01:56
schestowitzHe actually said that to herSep 27 01:56
schestowitzouch.Sep 27 01:56
schestowitznot a good sentenceSep 27 01:56
schestowitzaround 16:10Sep 27 01:56
XRevan86Now I have to watch it :). Right of the bat: I used to think she has a practically native accent, now I can pick a bit of Russianness in there Sep 27 01:57
schestowitzaccents don't matterSep 27 02:00
schestowitzit's a distraction from what mattersSep 27 02:01
XRevan86Would a usonian consider Armenians white… I really don't know. Maybe RMS was thrown off by her tan, but one way or another, that's not a good sentence.Sep 27 02:01
schestowitzesp. when it means one is a polyglotSep 27 02:01
XRevan86I mean Georgian of course, -dzeSep 27 02:01
schestowitznon-English sounding English means one can speak multiple languagesSep 27 02:01
schestowitzit says she is in GeorgiaSep 27 02:02
XRevan86schestowitz: It was just a passive observation, not criticism.Sep 27 02:03
XRevan86schestowitz: Criticism: she's a lover of the "people's bank" VTB director and a very wealthy person with a private (technically bank's) jetSep 27 02:04
schestowitzSophie?Sep 27 02:07
XRevan86Wait, I confused her with Nailya Asker-ZadeSep 27 02:09
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XRevan86schestowitz: Maybe some kind of headphone, seems to be too small to be a mobile phone.Sep 27 02:18
schestowitzseems like a senior's thingSep 27 02:19
schestowitzmaybe to avoid audio feedbackSep 27 02:19
XRevan86or to be a landline phoneSep 27 02:19
schestowitzthe big proprietary player do feedback cancellationSep 27 02:19
schestowitzthey have decent algos for itSep 27 02:19
schestowitzmaybe not the free SW he usesSep 27 02:19
schestowitzso basically he hears her by speaker/headphoneSep 27 02:20
schestowitzand more likely headphoneSep 27 02:20
schestowitzso her voice isn't fed back into the micSep 27 02:20
schestowitzmaybe they tested prior to the recording Sep 27 02:21
schestowitzand decided this compromise would work bestSep 27 02:21
schestowitzhis sound quality still isn't greatSep 27 02:21
schestowitzthere's background noise the sound engineers did not fully eliminateSep 27 02:21
XRevan86Why does he need to hold it though…Sep 27 02:22
schestowitzyou tell me....Sep 27 02:24
schestowitzmaybe he wants to look like a "reporter at the scene"Sep 27 02:24
schestowitz(whom I saw doing that, never truly understood why)Sep 27 02:24
schestowitzunless there was very strong gustSep 27 02:24
XRevan86Fourth minute – what is that, I think the wires go thereSep 27 02:29
XRevan8604:29 to be more exactSep 27 02:30
XRevan86or maybe it's just a cap of the same colourSep 27 02:30
XRevan86okay, seems to be a mask… that someone punched with a penSep 27 02:32
XRevan86Pity he didn't mention Jitsi Meet or BBB :/ at least not at the point I'm at right nowSep 27 02:34
XRevan86It's not like Zoom is the saviour who saved the world from a lack of a group video chat.Sep 27 02:38
XRevan86like Sofiko painted itSep 27 02:38
schestowitzyeahSep 27 02:43
schestowitzit was a dumb statementSep 27 02:43
schestowitzgroup chats go decades backSep 27 02:43
schestowitzbandwidth improvedSep 27 02:43
schestowitziirc, zoom uses awsSep 27 02:43
schestowitzand aws has lots of dcs around the worldSep 27 02:43
schestowitzwith high-speed links between themSep 27 02:43
schestowitzwhich would make it hard to compete withSep 27 02:43
schestowitzesp. freesw that's locally hosted at the endpointsSep 27 02:43
schestowitzas soon as you get many participants you hit hard limitsSep 27 02:44
schestowitzand then you may need centralisation that renders a combined streamSep 27 02:44
schestowitz2 days ago: 27 02:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Bandwidth for Video Conferencing « etbe - Russell CokerSep 27 02:44
schestowitzwell, one day ago, sorry...Sep 27 02:44
schestowitzso that's very recentSep 27 02:44
schestowitzoh shit. someone is scraping techrights againSep 27 02:47
schestowitzmaxing up 8 cpusSep 27 02:47
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schestowitzwish I could just focus on reading and writingSep 27 02:48
schestowitzno monitoring and sysadmin stuffSep 27 02:48
schestowitzit's distractingSep 27 02:48
schestowitz>> Side note: over the past 10+ years RMS always agreed to do anSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> interview with me.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz>> Now?Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz>> 5 days of silence. Still no reply...Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> He takes a lot longer to reply now. I don't know if that's related, butSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> it did increase after he was ousted.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> He's also said "no" to a lot more things since then. If it were me, ISep 27 02:52
schestowitz> wouldn't take it personally, but it is worth noting.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Now let's ignore ourselves for a moment, and look at the sorts of thingsSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> he used to say and do and the things he says and does now.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> One, he's still advocating freedom. That's excellent news. There's noSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> news better than that. He hasn't quit free software activism.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> However, I know of little evidence that he still pushes the FSF orSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> criticises any shortcomings. If that's strategic, he's either tooSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> careful or (more likely IMO) they're still under a regime. This does notSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> implicate (nor rule out) the new leader, because when rms was thereSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> others still managed to cause trouble. Don't assume the new leader canSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> do better. That doesn't mean I trust him.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> The point being, if you're focused on reform at the FSF, you're notSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> going to get anything.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> From the logs I know that's not your intent or approach here, it'sSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> possibly a factor in how careful he is or how long he takes. AlsoSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> hypothetically, knowing that he's on his own and anything he gets doneSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> is less likely to be done through the FSF, unless it pertains to GNU, heSep 27 02:52
schestowitz> could just be focused more entirely on that sort of activism.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> These are obviously guesses. But he's less accessible than he used to be.Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:52
schestowitz> Also, never rule out (though I do not suspect) email tampering. In hisSep 27 02:53
schestowitz> shoes I would never trust FSF email again. But that's what he uses.Sep 27 02:53
schestowitz> Pointless to mention, we know autoreply still works and that's going toSep 27 02:53
schestowitz> be good enough for most people.Sep 27 02:53
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:53
schestowitz> I'm most interested in what he's doing despite the FSF, because I'mSep 27 02:53
schestowitz> pretty sure nobody is going to get anything serious done WITH them. ISep 27 02:53
schestowitz> really don't believe in them at all.Sep 27 02:53
schestowitz> Sep 27 02:53
schestowitz> The GNU Foundation matters obviously. NOT LF, not FSF. IMO.Sep 27 02:53
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-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights []Sep 27 07:58
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schestowitzneed assistenceSep 27 08:17
schestowitztanceSep 27 08:17
schestowitzwhat OS does the PC in the background run? 27 08:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-State of the Source 2020: Keynote: An Open Source Success at Sea, Joshua Simmons - YouTubeSep 27 08:17
schestowitzhard to identify iconsSep 27 08:17
schestowitzmostly the wallpaperSep 27 08:17
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MinceR27 091727 < schestowitz> what OS does the PC in the background run? 27 11:57
MinceRi can only see the wallpaper, which looks a lot like Bliss from Backdoors XPSep 27 11:57
MinceR 27 11:57
MinceR 27 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Marketing Lies - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-03-11 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsSep 27 12:13
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kingoffrancesurely thats redundant and "marketing" would suffice :)Sep 27 13:25
oiaohmMinceR:   Except seeing a little bit of Bliss wall paper does not help us thinking how many "Bliss" wallpaper parody have been done.Sep 27 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows sucks ("Bliss" wallpaper parody) - linux-apps.comSep 27 13:26
schestowitzRe: ClearlyDivisiveSep 27 13:26
schestowitz> Since these people have staked out, I mean "curated" the 1000 mostSep 27 13:26
schestowitz> popular Github projects, is that a public list? OSI President: Most orSep 27 13:26
schestowitz> Half of the OSI’s Money (Even Individual Donors’ Money) Goes to aSep 27 13:26
schestowitz> Microsoft-Led Initiative | TechrightsSep 27 13:26
oiaohmTo attempt to ID OS you need to be able to seen icons or windows boarder.Sep 27 13:26
schestowitz> <>Sep 27 13:26
schestowitz> Sep 27 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OSI President: Most or Half of the OSI’s Money (Even Individual Donors’ Money) Goes to a Microsoft-Led Initiative | TechrightsSep 27 13:26
schestowitz> Stuff to boycott. As much as possible.Sep 27 13:26
schestowitz> Sep 27 13:26
schestowitz> We could also wait for the Free Github Foundation, though I doubt theySep 27 13:26
schestowitz> will be helpful, I mean do fuck-all.Sep 27 13:26
schestowitzOSI is digging its own grave just fine.Sep 27 13:26
schestowitzNo amount of smiles from its new Pres can save them.Sep 27 13:26
schestowitz[11:57] <MinceR> i can only see the wallpaper, which looks a lot like Bliss from Backdoors XPSep 27 13:27
schestowitzBackdoors XP source code is technically leakedSep 27 13:27
schestowitzSo I guess it's "Open Source" nowSep 27 13:27
schestowitzas per OSISep 27 13:27
schestowitzsomeone should explain to him how those things work..Sep 27 13:27
MinceRlolSep 27 13:27
MinceRoiaohm: yeah, i knowSep 27 13:28
schestowitzhe's OSI PresSep 27 13:28
schestowitzthe choice os wallpaper to match Windows' most famous one isn't saying anything goodSep 27 13:30
schestowitzthe colour of the PC likely means it's not an iStainSep 27 13:31
schestowitzthey're typically white and POWERSep 27 13:31
oiaohmWindows every version has a different default wallpaper.Sep 27 13:31
schestowitzthen x86Sep 27 13:31
schestowitzsoon arMSep 27 13:31
schestowitzARMSep 27 13:31
schestowitzoiaohm: can you see the icons clear enough in the border in that video?Sep 27 13:31
schestowitzI full-screened itSep 27 13:32
schestowitzstill could not get a clear enough lookSep 27 13:32
schestowitzif he uses Windows, it's a big dealSep 27 13:32
schestowitzif you look at his track record, you'd doubt he uses bsd or gnu/linuxSep 27 13:32
oiaohmHmm the panel is up on the top of screen.Sep 27 13:35
oiaohmschestowitz: there is not enough pixels for me there the panel black colour with icons on it with a nice bit of glare where activities or windows start button... would be.Sep 27 13:37
schestowitz 27 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OSI’s Joshua Simmons on the State of Open SourceSep 27 13:46
schestowitz"Sep 27 13:46
schestowitz“There are a lot of competing and complementary narratives about open source,” he noted, and your narrative will, unsurprisingly, depend on your relationship to open source. Sep 27 13:46
schestowitzSimmons presented three example narratives to illustrate:Sep 27 13:46
schestowitz    A free software-centric narrative, in which “software freedom is a moral movement and open source is about business.”Sep 27 13:46
schestowitz    An author-centric narrative, in which “maintainers are exploited and deserve more support, and maybe we should consider new licenses to ensure they get paid.”Sep 27 13:46
schestowitz    A user-centric narrative, in which “few people have had the promise of user freedom realized for them.”Sep 27 13:46
schestowitz"narratives" = revisionismSep 27 13:46
schestowitzas if there are "many" truthsSep 27 13:46
scientesschestowitz, there are many things authors of libre software needSep 27 13:47
scientesand $$$ is only the right tool if it can buy those things for a reasonable priceSep 27 13:47
scientesso that "narritive" is also bullshitSep 27 13:47
scientesthe ESR "scratch an itch" is the only reasonable way to empathize with authorsSep 27 13:48
scientesotherwise it sounds alot like the copyright mafiaaSep 27 13:48
scientesanyways, RMS's "cognative dissonance" statement was the most coherant one i've heard in a long timeSep 27 13:50
scientespeople simply don't have the moral strength to keep up with their liesSep 27 13:50
scientesand so the lies eventually catch up with themSep 27 13:50
scienteseven if only in their mindsSep 27 13:50
*XRevan86 slept, still feels like he didn't. Again.Sep 27 13:52
scientesXRevan86, did you check the news today?Sep 27 13:53
XRevan86scientes: No, catching up on the RMS interview, I only watched a part of it.Sep 27 13:53
smnthermes> ‎[04:01:13] ‎viera‎: [notice] Tux Machines: Puppy Linux 9.5 is here based on Focal Fossa 27 13:53
smnthermesI thought it was an independent distroSep 27 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Puppy Linux 9.5 is here based on Focal Fossa | Tux MachinesSep 27 13:53
scientesXRevan86, I checked like an hour ago and now I am kinda dazedSep 27 13:55
scienteslink to RMS interview?Sep 27 13:56
scientesI probably can skip itSep 27 13:56
scientesas I am pretty familiarSep 27 13:56
scientesor rather, I like to think/hope I have internalized all the same valuesSep 27 13:56
XRevan86scientes: 27 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Richard Stallman: You can get arrested without a reason | Tux MachinesSep 27 13:57
XRevan86scientes: schestowitz asked me about my thoughts at night (well, morning, but before sleep), I wasn't helpful.Sep 27 13:57
scientesShevardnadzeSep 27 13:58
schestowitz[13:53] <smnthermes> I thought it was an independent distroSep 27 13:58
schestowitznot for agesSep 27 13:58
schestowitzthey also base on DebianSep 27 13:58
schestowitzBarry's distrosSep 27 13:58
scienteswhat ethnicity is that name?Sep 27 13:58
XRevan86scientes: GeorgianSep 27 13:58
scientesyeah, i thought soSep 27 13:58
scientesazerbaijan customs has been confiscating packages with armenian surnamesSep 27 13:59
scienteseven headed to georgiaSep 27 13:59
XRevan86-dze and -shvili are common Georgian surnamesSep 27 13:59
scientesXRevan86, dude I live hereSep 27 13:59
XRevan86scientes: I know, just acknowledging :)Sep 27 13:59
XRevan86Armenian: -ñanSep 27 14:00
MinceRnyanSep 27 14:00
XRevan86nekoñanSep 27 14:00
MinceR:3Sep 27 14:00
scientes 27 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Georgian logistics company: ‘Don’t use Armenian surnames’ Sep 27 14:01
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scientesoh, she is actually interviewing from tblisiSep 27 14:03
XRevan86scientes: I was surprised by that, but I confused her with another journalist.Sep 27 14:03
scientesI was only suprised because it is RTSep 27 14:03
scientesand it is not an in-person interviewSep 27 14:04
XRevan86Now that I watched it right, I'm even more puzzled by RMS saying to her "what do you mean "we", white woman"Sep 27 14:05
scientesheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheSep 27 14:05
XRevan86isn't he more "white" than she is?Sep 27 14:06
scientesalso, the US ethnic terms make absolutely no sense to people here, even if they speak englishSep 27 14:06
scientesXRevan86, actually "caucasian" is a US ethnic termSep 27 14:06
scientesand she is undeniably caucasianSep 27 14:06
XRevan86scientes: "caucasian" can be easily mapped to "europid", so that's not that big of a dealSep 27 14:06
scientesnot reallySep 27 14:06
scientesthe caucus mountains are right hereSep 27 14:06
XRevan86I mean, the way Usonians use it.Sep 27 14:07
scientesand nowhere elseSep 27 14:07
scientesits like that stupid term "anti-semitic"Sep 27 14:07
XRevan86But yes, "caucasian" is a funny one when one actually interacts with the Caucasus areaSep 27 14:07
XRevan86Like one could say "Russians are cautious of Caucasian illegal immigrats"Sep 27 14:08
scienteswhile that *was* the term the Nazis used on the Hollerich punch cards, it has its origins in really poor racismSep 27 14:08
scientesXRevan86, as I said, those ethnic terms make no sense here, I ended up saying I was swedishSep 27 14:08
scientesbecause its something that is true, and understandable as an ethnic termSep 27 14:09
XRevan86Anyway, this is also one example where "white" gets so vague I can't even tell who's "white" of the two :)Sep 27 14:10
scientesthe history in the US is basically like #1. prostestant, #2 catholic, #3 the "other" catholics (hispanics)Sep 27 14:10
XRevan86Maybe both, maybe neither.Sep 27 14:10
scientesand then everyone elseSep 27 14:10
scientesbut the prostestant/catholic divide broke down a long time agoSep 27 14:11
kingoffrancelonger than you thinkSep 27 14:11
scientesalso I feel the US cares alot more about prostestant/catholic than Europe doesSep 27 14:12
scientesand the actual catholic church has no reservation about giving both english and spanish servicesSep 27 14:13
MinceRi thought they were supposed to do it in latinSep 27 14:13
scientesMinceR, there still are catholic split offs that reject the changes that led to abandonment of latinSep 27 14:14
MinceR:>Sep 27 14:14
scientesas those changes were significantSep 27 14:14
XRevan86In Russian churches prayers are in Church Slav(on)ic, talking non-sense is in Russian.Sep 27 14:14
scientesyeah, Second Vatican CouncilSep 27 14:14
kingoffrancechanges go back to 1548 at leastSep 27 14:14
kingoffrancetaht was just culmination of couple hundred yearsSep 27 14:15
XRevan86I assumed scientes talked about the second bit, i.e. preaching to the flockSep 27 14:15
scientesfrom my interaction with them I get the feeling it is kinda like the Old believers splitSep 27 14:15
scientesthe latin language part is the least controversial of those changesSep 27 14:15
schestowitz[14:06] <scientes> and she is undeniably caucasianSep 27 14:16
schestowitzMore then most USiansSep 27 14:16
schestowitz"caucasian" often refers to this regionSep 27 14:16
scientesexactlySep 27 14:16
XRevan86scientes: The Old Believers split is weird in that the reform was to reduce deviation from the tradition.Sep 27 14:16
schestowitz*thanSep 27 14:16
scientesthey still had all that regalia that this banned in Arequipa when I was thereSep 27 14:17
schestowitzWould be funny if RMS told her, "you're not even caucasian"Sep 27 14:17
MinceR(cat) 27 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4280770)Sep 27 14:17
schestowitzor, you are literally caucasianSep 27 14:17
XRevan86So not relaxation of the liturgy but the oppositeSep 27 14:18
scientesschestowitz, yeah, it is like Israel accusing its Arab neighbors of anti-semitismSep 27 14:19
scienteswhich is an incredible amount of cognative dissonance, and also Halocaust victim-badge-wearingSep 27 14:20
XRevan86scientes: 27 14:20
MinceRsemites hating semites. how perverse!Sep 27 14:21
scientesaccording the the Kartuli Tsikrova (history of Georgia) Georgians are JapethitesSep 27 14:22
scientesthe other son of NoahSep 27 14:22
XRevan86MinceR: Pretty normal, but using terms like "anti-semite" in those circumstances is odd.Sep 27 14:23
scientesand when you try to get them to use "Judeophobia" they cling to their halocaust-victim-badgeSep 27 14:24
XRevan86It's like if someone from Ryazañ were to say "I just hate Moscow", and then get back a label "Russophobe".Sep 27 14:24
scientesXRevan86, or if they said "I just hate Kiev"Sep 27 14:25
scientesXRevan86, wait, that is a totally differn't issueSep 27 14:25
scienteswhere the State of Israel claims it speaks for all JewsSep 27 14:25
XRevan86scientes: Yes, different.Sep 27 14:25
MinceRdifferent Rus :>Sep 27 14:25
scientesmassive problem in New York CitySep 27 14:25
scientesand I have met Jews from Israel who had served in the IDF, and they say how weird it was to meet Jews from outside IsraelSep 27 14:26
scienteswhich shows that religion really is the dominant identity of the State of IsraelSep 27 14:27
scientesdespite me seeing quite a bit of Christian propoganda from themSep 27 14:27
scientesinteresting video 27 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Forgotten JEWS of ETHIOPIA - YouTubeSep 27 14:27
scientesthe black jews have a *really* hard time being accepted into the State of Israel's sense of ethnicitySep 27 14:28
scientes(also that travel writer is Jewish)Sep 27 14:28
XRevan86MinceR: Can't get closer than that while being different countries. And very bad relations.Sep 27 14:30
MinceR:>Sep 27 14:30
scientesXRevan86, yeah I should know better here as there is Ukranian presence, but I still can't tellSep 27 14:31
scientesthe difference between the government's animosity and the people, that isSep 27 14:31
XRevan86scientes: If they choose not to speak Ukrainian, then you won't be able to tell.Sep 27 14:32
scientesI couldn't tell anyways :)Sep 27 14:32
scientesthis isn't Russia, they don't hide who they areSep 27 14:33
XRevan86scientes: Ukrainian has some interesting phonetics, so with enough exposure you can tell just by how it sounds likeSep 27 14:33
XRevan86scientes: I didn't mean it like hiding, no one's hiding in Russia too.Sep 27 14:33
scienteswell I imagine there are Russian nationalistsSep 27 14:34
XRevan86scientes: They're more focused on… you know.Sep 27 14:35
scientesthey can get worked up about GeorgiaSep 27 14:35
scientesbecause of the historySep 27 14:35
XRevan86Azerbaijani, Dagestani…Sep 27 14:35
scientesso did you read the news of today?Sep 27 14:36
scientes 27 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Georgia concerned with resumption of hostilities between Armenia, AzerbaijanSep 27 14:36
XRevan86Saw news about some moron smacking a woman on the head while she was speaking Tatar.Sep 27 14:36
scientesisn't that a russian ethnic minority?Sep 27 14:37
XRevan86scientes: ugh, thatSep 27 14:37
XRevan86scientes: It is.Sep 27 14:37
scientescan you link me to the state media coverage of it?Sep 27 14:37
scientes 27 14:38
XRevan86scientes: 27 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Who are the Tatars? Europe's Oldest Remaining Islamic Community - YouTubeSep 27 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Россиянка получила кулаком по голове за разговор на родном языке: Общество: Россия: Lenta.ruSep 27 14:38
scientes"Europe's Oldest Islamic Community"Sep 27 14:38
scientesewwwSep 27 14:38
scienteswhat about the CaucusesSep 27 14:38
*XRevan86 doesn't know what's oldest and what's not.Sep 27 14:39
MinceRthey're followed by primaries?Sep 27 14:39
scientesI wonder how that area became muslim, given that the caliphs never got past the caucus mountainsSep 27 14:39
XRevan86scientes: Through the Golden Horde apparently.Sep 27 14:40
scienteslots of horde coins in the Tblisi museumSep 27 14:41
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XRevan86scientes: 27 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Взятки. Дворцы. Самолёты. За что продали народ Татарстана - YouTubeSep 27 14:43
XRevan86A video Navalny made on tour right before he was poisoned.Sep 27 14:43
XRevan86with English subtitlesSep 27 14:43
scientes 27 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-World's Strangest City (ASHGABAT, TURKMENISTAN) - YouTubeSep 27 14:43
scientesthis video is truely bizaareSep 27 14:43
scientes 27 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-10 Wacky Things About TURKMENISTAN - YouTubeSep 27 14:43
XRevan86scientes: Switched to Turkmens?Sep 27 14:43
scientesnah I was remembered itSep 27 14:44
scientesI have met people from KazanSep 27 14:44
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scienteswell, yeah, I get the impression you can't say things like that in RussiaSep 27 14:45
XRevan86lots of authoritarian regimes on the post-Soviet territory, but Turkmenistan is the strangest one, yesSep 27 14:45
scientesall that imported white marbleSep 27 14:45
scientesand that huge mosque that isn't even usedSep 27 14:45
scientestruely bizaareSep 27 14:45
XRevan86A rich version of North KoreaSep 27 14:46
scienteswhat happened there in the 90s?Sep 27 14:46
scientescause North Korea starvedSep 27 14:46
scientesCuba did not starveSep 27 14:47
XRevan86scientes: That video from Navalny actually covers historySep 27 14:47
XRevan86from the corruption standpoint of courseSep 27 14:48
XRevan86Oops, TatarstanSep 27 14:48
XRevan86probably a similiar story though :)Sep 27 14:48
scientesI just read an article that mentioned in passing that the lord of Georgia in the 90 were never punishedSep 27 14:49
scientes*lordsSep 27 14:49
XRevan86scientes: I don't know, it doesn't seem like there were much turbulence in the 90s, like there was in most post-Soviet republics.Sep 27 14:50
scientesthis one 27 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | As Abkhazia calls for dialogue, will Tbilisi answer?Sep 27 14:50
XRevan86s/were/was/Sep 27 14:50
scientesthis article does actually cover some stuff however 27 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | ‘I felt I was in prison’: Georgian women in Italy’s shadow economySep 27 14:50
XRevan86but a success story of another term-less presidentSep 27 14:50
scienteswhat was troubling about that Abkhazia article is the lack of interest of the Georgian politiciansSep 27 14:51
schestowitz[14:19] <scientes> schestowitz, yeah, it is like Israel accusing its Arab neighbors of anti-semitismSep 27 14:51
schestowitzThe term "semite" was hijackedSep 27 14:51
schestowitzotherwise it would apply to Palestinians tooSep 27 14:51
scientesschestowitz, it goes back to the GermanySep 27 14:52
schestowitzrendering many in Israel itself "anti-Semites" (and not Arab-Israelis)Sep 27 14:52
scientesNazi GermanySep 27 14:52
XRevan86scientes: "World's Strangest City" 2:30 – that statue looks kinda like Lenin :DSep 27 14:52
scientesbut that is no excuseSep 27 14:52
scientesIt's almost as if the Georgian politicians don't consider Abkhazia part of GeorgiaSep 27 14:53
scientesconsidering that they are no longer demanding soverignitySep 27 14:53
scientesor rather, didn't ask for it in this proposalSep 27 14:53
schestowitz[14:52] <scientes> Nazi GermanySep 27 14:53
scientesWeimar republicSep 27 14:54
schestowitzAdD is also anti-Semitic for its stance on ArabsSep 27 14:54
schestowitz*AfDSep 27 14:54
scientes"Semite" was a term on the Hollerich punch cardsSep 27 14:54
scientesof the holocaustSep 27 14:54
MinceRwhat if someone only hates one particular semite person? does that make them anti-semite? :>Sep 27 14:54
schestowitzthey just swapped a little what Semitic people they focus on as a scapegoat Fur DeutschlandSep 27 14:54
kingoffrancethats one of those "defined as a non-sequitor" things MinceR :)Sep 27 14:55
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MinceR:)Sep 27 14:55
schestowitzsuspect, "strike one"Sep 27 14:55
scientesschestowitz, their main platform is the rapid ethnic destruction of germany by a horde of barbarians created by a war that german politicians backedSep 27 14:55
schestowitz"you may only dislike one more Semitic person because we expel you"Sep 27 14:56
scientes 27 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Life in ALEPPO, SYRIA (post war reconstruction) - YouTubeSep 27 14:56
schestowitzso don't make statements like, "Bloomberg, Goldman Sachs and Elliot are evil"Sep 27 14:56
schestowitzyou need to add "diversity"Sep 27 14:56
schestowitzthrow some Gates and Bezos into the listSep 27 14:57
schestowitzthen you are "safe" from ADL and WebKKKopsSep 27 14:57
schestowitzscientes: sounds like the Orban narrativeSep 27 14:58
schestowitzthey still account for maybe 5% thereSep 27 14:58
schestowitzvery smallSep 27 14:58
scientesbut its trueSep 27 14:58
schestowitzand with COVID the movement restrictions have tightenedSep 27 14:58
schestowitzconversion is the bigger issueSep 27 14:58
scientesthese barbarians are created by the war of the politicians of germany trying to overthrow the syrian governmentySep 27 14:58
schestowitzsee IndonesiaSep 27 14:59
scientesand they have a completely different cultureSep 27 14:59
schestowitzwhere? Berlin maybe.Sep 27 14:59
schestowitzbig citiesSep 27 14:59
schestowitzthey tend to overgenerarileSep 27 14:59
scientesArabic->German is #1 in Duolingo in GermanySep 27 14:59
schestowitzmoaning about barbarians while they go out for their cheap 'falafel' at the street cornerSep 27 14:59
schestowitzso they only dislike it when that suits themSep 27 15:00
scientesand those barbarians are being provided shelter and protectionSep 27 15:00
schestowitzsame thing hereSep 27 15:00
MinceR 27 15:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Detailed Explanation - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2019-03-27 | Dilbert by Scott AdamsSep 27 15:00
schestowitzmany unruly people are the domestic 'underclass'Sep 27 15:00
scienteswhile the same german government is killing them in SyriaSep 27 15:00
schestowitzbecause they have no sense of shame at allSep 27 15:00
schestowitzand they don't risk deportation (where to anyway?)Sep 27 15:00
scientesI think they are creating an army to do their biddingSep 27 15:00
schestowitznahSep 27 15:00
schestowitzthey alienate more than they befriendSep 27 15:01
schestowitzcsu isn't making allies this waySep 27 15:01
schestowitzit lost touch with the voterSep 27 15:01
schestowitzasylum seekers cannot even voteSep 27 15:01
schestowitzso csu and friends engineer their own demise as a party/coalitionSep 27 15:01
scientesinteresting, you can see the west/east germany divide 27 15:02
schestowitzin many smaller cities they already lost bigSep 27 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Alternative for Germany - WikipediaSep 27 15:02
scientesexcept is that frankfurt?Sep 27 15:02
scientesstuttgartSep 27 15:02
schestowitzthe theory they want voting foddr is weakSep 27 15:03
schestowitzbecause they alienate more than eligible voters they can 'import' or parachute inSep 27 15:03
schestowitzLabour UK had this issue as well, at least perceptuallySep 27 15:03
schestowitzas the "tough on immigration" rhetoric gave Trump many voters as wellSep 27 15:03
schestowitzso a radical right politician took over BiblelandSep 27 15:04
scientesconsidering no-one votes in the US, basically all his votesSep 27 15:04
schestowitza vote for hillarySep 27 15:04
scienteswhich is as it should beSep 27 15:04
schestowitzpeople would rather stay home and get a napSep 27 15:04
schestowitzlooong napSep 27 15:05
scientesthe only vote in the US is "stop fucking us over"Sep 27 15:05
schestowitzthe lines at polling stations grow longer where the GOP wants voter suppressionSep 27 15:05
scientesschestowitz, but noone votesSep 27 15:05
schestowitzSo HowieSep 27 15:05
scientesthat's a non-issueSep 27 15:05
schestowitzbecause they rightly perceive the system as boughtSep 27 15:05
schestowitzthe oligarchs so what they want at the endSep 27 15:06
schestowitznon-vote is a protest vote, tooSep 27 15:06
scientesthere was a massive study that showed that public opinion has ZERO influence on <s>public</s> empire policySep 27 15:06
schestowitzyes, RMS mentioned this to RTSep 27 15:06
schestowitzdid you see his new interview?Sep 27 15:06
schestowitzaround 25 mins iSep 27 15:06
schestowitzinSep 27 15:06
schestowitz 27 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Richard Stallman: You can get arrested without a reason | Tux MachinesSep 27 15:07
scientesand consider that the FDA can shut down small farms in 72-hoursSep 27 15:07
scientesthat is the only way to see itSep 27 15:07
schestowitzthis links helps avert the spying of and third partiesSep 27 15:07
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schestowitzapparently rms can take a very long time to respond nowSep 27 15:10
schestowitzsomeone told me a week todaySep 27 15:10
schestowitzChaekyung says 3 daysSep 27 15:10
scientesbeautiful article 27 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | In pictures | Borjomi’s year-long winterSep 27 15:13
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XRevan86> and what's worse, if you don't have an e-mailSep 27 15:14
XRevan8621:30Sep 27 15:14
XRevan86Something tells me Sofiko doesn't know how e-mail works :)Sep 27 15:14
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scienteswell e-mail has this massive spam problemSep 27 15:15
schestowitznot her area tbfSep 27 15:15
scientesI did not last having my own server like XRevan86 doesSep 27 15:15
scientesalso I have to quite my VPS I have had for 2.5 yearsSep 27 15:15
schestowitzlast week I got many spam emails with photos in them of mutilated childSep 27 15:15
scientescause they are getting rid of the aarch64 hardwareSep 27 15:15
schestowitzthe joys of html emailsSep 27 15:16
XRevan86scientes: Migrate to a more boring one thenSep 27 15:16
scientesits also only 3euros, and the raised the price to 5eurosSep 27 15:16
scientesfor the other onesSep 27 15:16
XRevan86scientes: I also quit Scaleway.Sep 27 15:16
scientesahh you reminded me I need to migrate my IRC bouncerSep 27 15:17
XRevan86but I had x86_64 there (for simple reasons of wanting to control the boot process), so migration was super-easy for meSep 27 15:17
scientesyeah but its 5euros nowSep 27 15:18
scientesoh your just downloaded the image?Sep 27 15:18
XRevan86scientes: I take the whole rootfs with meSep 27 15:19
XRevan86it didn't have a lot of scaleway-isms, because it predated scaleway tooSep 27 15:19
XRevan86It actually only needs special grub configuration and a boot script that pokes an  IP address when done booting.Sep 27 15:20
XRevan86and I think something in sysctlSep 27 15:21
scientesscaleway has a very byzantine boot processSep 27 15:22
scientesbecause root is a network file systemSep 27 15:22
XRevan86scientes: Not on x86_64Sep 27 15:23
XRevan86scientes: It needs a hack in GRUB just for its serial terminal, in case of a problem (works as terribly as it sounds)Sep 27 15:24
XRevan86and IP address pinging is there to tell Scaleway that the boot was successful, otherwise it will try resetting it again and again until it hears from itSep 27 15:24
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scientesoh geeze, Georgia cut off electrictiy and gas in order to get Abkhazia refugees to leave a building so it could be sold 27 15:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Video | No Place to Live — IDPs in GeorgiaSep 27 15:25
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scientesclassical neoliberalism problemSep 27 15:26
scienteswhich explains why the georgian politicians are not interested in the Abkhazia dialogue proposalSep 27 15:26
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cybrNautDDG admits to donating to an opponent of net neutrality. 27 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TechFreedom Files in Amicus in the Latest Net Neutrality Litigation - TechFreedomSep 27 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | 2020 DuckDuckGo Charitable Donations: $750,000 to Organizations Around the WorldSep 27 15:40
cybrNautperhaps DDG just likes the name "tech freedom" on their list of donees.. Most ppl probably don't know they fight against network neutralitySep 27 15:41
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scientesugggghSep 27 15:54
scientesI need to do more workSep 27 15:54
scientesI def. needed all that sleep et ceteraSep 27 15:54
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MinceRmaybe even DDG didn't really look into what "techfreedom" doesSep 27 16:18
cybrNautvery plausibleSep 27 16:19
cybrNautbut my concern is that no one has called them out on it and generated embarrassmentSep 27 16:19
cybrNautppl blindly trust DDGSep 27 16:19
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schestowitzcybrNaut: not everyoneSep 27 16:24
schestowitzsome people's views have changedSep 27 16:24
schestowitzwe also republished 27 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | TechrightsSep 27 16:24
schestowitzmaybe it was from youSep 27 16:24
cybrNautit's interesting how loyal ppl are.. a lot of attitudes have changed but I have to wonder why not more?Sep 27 16:26
cybrNautthere are people who despite the findings of that article refuse to condemn or avoid DDGSep 27 16:27
schestowitz 27 16:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | OSI's Simon Phipps on Open Source's Past and Future | Linux JournalSep 27 16:28
schestowitz"At the moment I feel that I would very much like to see a more diverse membership. I'd like to see us more diverse geographically. I'd like to see us more diverse in terms of the ethnicity and gender of the people who are involved. I would like to see us more diverse in terms of the businesses from which people are employed."Sep 27 16:28
cybrNautwhat's most remarkable is sites like,, prism-break... orgs like that should be less loyal and less emotional, but they continue to pimp DDGSep 27 16:28
cybrNauti think those trusted privacy sites need some embarrassment to push them to be more responsible in their analysisSep 27 16:30
kingoffrancewell i always thought it funny ppl recommend DDG even if there were no problems, thats called single point of failureSep 27 16:32
cybrNautthis thread is interesting: 27 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-#137 - Reorder metasearch/search engines - website - Codeberg.orgSep 27 16:32
cybrNautit shows how Swiso is so clung to DDG that after a significant discussion with all DDG's wrongdoing laid out, that they will not remove DDG.  They would only lower the position of the endorsement on their websiteSep 27 16:33
cybrNautThis is an attempt to embarrass the privacy sites that publish bad endorsements: 27 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Privacy-centric tool advice sites -- Credibility examined -- part 1: web search engines (DDG & Qwant) - LemmySep 27 16:38
cybrNautptio/prism-break/swiso often defend bad endorsements by saying "it must be an easy tool to use for our novice readers", but it's hard to imaging ease of use being an issue with a search engineSep 27 16:43
cybrNauts/imaging/imagine/Sep 27 16:43
scientesschestowitz, well they do not bubble, which is just a basic sanity thingSep 27 16:45
schestowitz  How to destroy #freesw org Sep 27 16:49
schestowitz  Sep 27 16:49
schestowitz  1. Offer a big bribe (like a salary)Sep 27 16:49
schestowitz  2. Site well funded but loses credibilitySep 27 16:49
schestowitz  Sep 27 16:49
schestowitz  3. Site loses following, becomes irrelevantSep 27 16:49
schestowitz  Sep 27 16:49
schestowitz  4. Bribe giver dumps site, offer no more moneySep 27 16:49
schestowitz  Sep 27 16:49
schestowitz  5. Site dead, no money, no sponsors, FOSS activism scuttledSep 27 16:49
schestowitz  Sep 27 16:49
schestowitz  #osi #fsfeSep 27 16:49
scientes> site already irreleventSep 27 16:49
schestowitzcybrNaut: they have paid shillSep 27 16:49
schestowitzlike dan arelSep 27 16:49
schestowitzwith bs excusesSep 27 16:49
kingoffrancewell yeah that just seems like EEE -- 1) Embrace with funds   2-3) Extend until no credibility  4-5) ExtinguishedSep 27 17:02
kingoffrancei dont think thats far off at allSep 27 17:02
schestowitzseems effectiveSep 27 17:38
schestowitzand we saw examplesSep 27 17:38
schestowitzthe latch is the moneySep 27 17:38
schestowitzand then they control the destinySep 27 17:38
schestowitzantitrust in the US isn't a term in the dictionary anymoreSep 27 17:38
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux Weekly Roundup: Debian 10.6, Edge for Linux and More - Sep 27, 2020 []Sep 27 17:56
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kingoffranceyes, because whoever controls the funds can cut off anyone who doesnt go along to get alongSep 27 18:09
kingoffranceso even if person with bag of money doesnt do this, higher up can still ripple downSep 27 18:10
kingoffranceor change of higher mgmt etc.Sep 27 18:10
kingoffrancethey might not make themselves visible at firstSep 27 18:10
cybrNauti've noticed it doesn't take much money to bribe.  E.g. DDG donated $25k to the Tor project, and this was apparently sufficient for Tor Project to endorse DDG and make it the default search engine.  Sep 27 18:21
cybrNautPayPal shows this effect quite well tooSep 27 18:22
cybrNautprivacy projects all accept PayPal donations.  When you expose the fact that PayPal shares data with over 600 companies, the "pro-privacy" projects that accept PayPal money just get angry.. it doesn't stop them doing itSep 27 18:23
kingoffrancewell yeah you destroyed the illusionSep 27 18:27
kingoffranceof course they get mad youre ruining thingsSep 27 18:27
cybrNautthe response is usually "most of our donations come through PayPal", and so the misconception is that if they cut off PayPal they will lose those donations.. no one ever thinks that the money will just take a different path in the absence of PPSep 27 18:30
*XRevan86 wanted to find the GPL sources of MaxDB 7.6, couldn't. They seem to be gone from existence.Sep 27 18:41
DaemonFC[m]The GFCI outlet in the kitchen finally shorted outSep 27 18:41
DaemonFC[m]Good news is that there's a non-GFCI outlet under the counter that may have been for a dishwasher or something at one point. Sep 27 18:42
DaemonFC[m]That still works. So I rigged up an appliance extension cord to it and ran it up to the topSep 27 18:42
DaemonFC[m]I really don't want maintenance people in here with the virus going around.Sep 27 18:43
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DaemonFC[m]I could probably just turn the breaker off, pull the box out of the wall, cut the shorted wire off and reconnect, and put it back in the wall, but I don't want to screw around with hotel property. Sep 27 18:44
DaemonFC[m]Plus, if you're smart you'll have to go down to the hardware store and buy a detector to make sure you really did turn off the correct switch at the box. Sep 27 18:44
DaemonFC[m]Otherwise you could fry yourself. Sep 27 18:45
DaemonFC[m]It's better if an electrician from the hotel gets around to it at some point after we're gone or the virus dies down. Sep 27 18:45
XRevan86Oh, found on <>, not gone.Sep 27 18:45
DaemonFC[m]I did do electrical work at one of mom's houses that she lost in a divorce later. Sep 27 18:46
DaemonFC[m]She was having electrical problems in the kitchen and when I took the drywall out to do the job I was going to anyway in there, I found that someone had daisy chained a bunch of cheap extension cords in there at some point and there really only was one outlet in the kitchen, and they just tapped into that. Sep 27 18:46
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, sure it might burn the house down, but you'll have beer money leftover, so eh.Sep 27 18:47
DaemonFC[m]So I had to rip everything out and run new wiring. Then when I was in there anyway I put in insulation since there wasn't any.Sep 27 18:48
DaemonFC[m]She was always wondering the first winter there why the furnace didn't heat the house properly. I said, "Well, in 1906, nobody put any insulation in the walls."Sep 27 18:48
DaemonFC[m]That job turned into a real nightmare because the measurements were never quite right for anything and so yeah. Sep 27 18:49
DaemonFC[m]The whole house looked pretty modern when I was done though. It even has a second bathroom upstairs. Sep 27 18:50
DaemonFC[m]Everyone Dave did call out there to do work for him he just stiffed them on the bill.Sep 27 18:54
DaemonFC[m]He has everyone in the state after him for money.Sep 27 18:54
DaemonFC[m]I have to know everything because I can't afford any more lawyers or specialists or anything like that.Sep 27 18:55
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I was looking into the possibility of buying a U-Haul truck and converting it into an RV. Sep 27 18:56
DaemonFC[m]It's not illegal. Technically it's still just a box truck. Sep 27 18:56
DaemonFC[m]I was wondering if the economics of that would work out favorably compared to renting. Sep 27 18:57
DaemonFC[m]I was reading about people doing this, and they say the easiest way to establish state residency when you're living like that is to stay one night in South Dakota and bring the hotel receipt to the DMV. All they require for state residency there is that you stay one day.Sep 27 18:58
DaemonFC[m]That's pretty much the most flexible state citizenship I've seen.Sep 27 18:58
DaemonFC[m]Illinois requires that you stay at least a month to get a driver's license, and you don't get to apply for in-state college tuition for 6 months, but I'm really not sure why you would become an "on paper" Illinois resident. Sep 27 18:59
DaemonFC[m]You subject yourself to one of the worst tax codes in the nation and you don't even live here most of the time, probably. Sep 27 18:59
DaemonFC[m]When you move to Illinois, you have 45 days to get an Illinois driver's license, legally anyway. Your out of state license is considered a valid license for that time period in order to give you time to get to the DMV. Sep 27 19:01
DaemonFC[m]That's usually long enough to get enough mail with your address on it and get down there. Sep 27 19:01
DaemonFC[m]I keep hearing about companies renting an empty office in Maryland and calling it their corporate headquarters.Sep 27 19:03
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DaemonFC[m]The bankruptcy law says if you have had more "presence" in that court's jurisdication over the past 6 months than any other, then you can file bankruptcy there.Sep 27 19:03
DaemonFC[m]So companies filing Chapter 11 are seeking out the most friendly courts for that and establishing an empty office there.Sep 27 19:04
kingoffrancei thought delaware was the big friendly to corps areaSep 27 19:04
DaemonFC[m]schestowitz: I was joking when that XBOX 360 debacle was going on that Microsoft had an office in McAllen, TX so that they could toss the red ring of death units over the border with Mexico.Sep 27 19:05
kingoffranceor are they all kind of in the vicinitySep 27 19:05
DaemonFC[m]Microsoft had to replace 8 XBOX 360 consoles with me.Sep 27 19:05
DaemonFC[m]Because they'd send me a refurb and a few weeks later, red ring of death.Sep 27 19:05
DaemonFC[m]They also had to pay shipping both ways each time.Sep 27 19:05
DaemonFC[m]By the time I reached my 8th unit, they said they were sorry for all the trouble and shipped one back to me with three free games. Sep 27 19:06
DaemonFC[m]<kingoffrance "or are they all kind of in the v"> No. Not unless you reach the appeals court.Sep 27 19:06
DaemonFC[m]Each state has a bankruptcy court and usually 2.Sep 27 19:07
DaemonFC[m]So if you live in Illinois, you'd file in either the Northern or Southern District, if you live in Kentucky it's Eastern and Western District, and so on.Sep 27 19:07
kingoffrancei just meant i never heard of maryland being that way, but delaware yesSep 27 19:07
Ariadnethe original XBOX 360 was a shitshow yeahSep 27 19:08
DaemonFC[m]But all bankruptcy courts in an appeals court circuit have appeals going to the same circuit court.Sep 27 19:08
Ariadnei wound up swapping mine with a more recent 360 and it has been stableSep 27 19:08
DaemonFC[m]So when the 10th Circuit ruled that private student loans are dischargeable in bankruptcy, their decision is binding on all of the bankruptcy courts in every state in the 10th Circuit.Sep 27 19:08
kingoffranceok makes senseSep 27 19:09
DaemonFC[m]But not outside that Circuit. So now if you establish residency in one of those states, you can file bankruptcy and I would list like Sallie MAE "Private Student Loan - Dischargeable under (cite the case in the 10th Circuit)".Sep 27 19:09
DaemonFC[m]You can discharge that loan now without filing and Adversarial Proceeding and undergoing the means test of the BAPCPA law.Sep 27 19:10
Ariadnei don't think i am going to buy a ps5 thoughSep 27 19:10
Ariadnexbox series x looks like much better hardwareSep 27 19:10
Ariadnealso it doesn't look goofySep 27 19:10
DaemonFC[m]The XBOX 360 wasn't a bad console. It actually did handle most of GTA V just fine.Sep 27 19:12
Ariadnethough, i have to wonderSep 27 19:13
Ariadnewhy microsoft hasSep 27 19:13
Ariadnexbox series xSep 27 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Not the same graphical detail of the PS4, and they omitted some of the songs and the in-car view.Sep 27 19:13
Ariadneand xbox series sSep 27 19:13
Ariadnei don't think the S is going to sell wellSep 27 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Yeah, there's too many SKUs.Sep 27 19:13
Ariadne$300 for meh specs vs $500 for good specsSep 27 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Brand dilution is dangerous.Sep 27 19:13
DaemonFC[m]Consoles have usually been sold at a loss.Sep 27 19:14
DaemonFC[m]Standard practice is to lose $100-150 each and make up for it by assuming that people will buy more than enough games to offset.Sep 27 19:15
DaemonFC[m]Later on when you do a revision, you can break even or make a small profit because you can implement the same hardware specs with less expensive parts.Sep 27 19:15
kingoffrance^^^Sep 27 19:16
kingoffrancethey always come out with a slim/smaller physical versionSep 27 19:16
kingoffrancemaybe less power usage tooSep 27 19:16
DaemonFC[m]Switching to x86 makes sense.Sep 27 19:17
scientesschestowitz, it never way, Teddy Rosevelt never broke the railroadsSep 27 19:17
DaemonFC[m]IBM didn't have economies of scale because they don't also sell billions of chips that go into PCs.Sep 27 19:17
DaemonFC[m]Also, the compilers for PowerPC are just terrible.Sep 27 19:17
scientesonly the highway system did thatSep 27 19:17
DaemonFC[m]If you actually look at what happens with GNU/Linux on PowerPC, you don't want to buy it. For example, you can't compile Firefox with JIT turned on because of bugs in GCC that make it crash.Sep 27 19:18
DaemonFC[m]Many programs end up with horrible bugs because GCC generates defective binary output on that platform, so you end up with a mostly working system that's full of bugs.Sep 27 19:18
DaemonFC[m]Maybe that's OK if you want to take LLVM and adopt it as part of your SDK and fix issues that pertain to your console.Sep 27 19:19
DaemonFC[m]That's mainly where Sony's interest in LLVM comes in.Sep 27 19:19
DaemonFC[m]Also, it compiles shaders on their later consoles because it's part of the graphics driver anyway.Sep 27 19:21
DaemonFC[m]<scientes "schestowitz, it never way, Teddy"> Union Pacific is deliberately not checking for tickets right now on the Metra lines they operate.Sep 27 19:22
DaemonFC[m]They're blaming the virus, but it's really to screw over Metra. Everyone knows they can ride for free and Metra loses revenue. Sep 27 19:22
DaemonFC[m]They're using it to try to strongarm Metra into signing a new deal to operate their own trains on UP's tracks and just pay UP rent for using the tracks.Sep 27 19:23
DaemonFC[m]You know, I don't really need to say this, but this is how train collisions happen.Sep 27 19:23
DaemonFC[m]That's exactly how the one happened where McCormick Place is now in, what, the 1970s?Sep 27 19:23
DaemonFC[m]Killed a lot of people.Sep 27 19:23
DaemonFC[m]What became Metra was running their own stock on the tracks, and the cargo trains were running theirs. So a foggy day, right? Nobody communicating. A delay happened and the passenger train was sitting on the tracks and nobody told the cargo train behind them running on its schedule.Sep 27 19:24
DaemonFC[m]It slammed into the passenger train and killed over 100 people if I recall correctly. Sep 27 19:24
DaemonFC[m]Metra and everyone else have been under a legal mandate to install and comply with Positive Train Control technology that makes it impossible for the engineer to take corners too fast and which communicates with them about where everything is on the tracks, but the truth is that Congress kept delaying it and didn't provide any funding.Sep 27 19:26
DaemonFC[m]So it's still not fully implemented. Sep 27 19:26
DaemonFC[m]So what Union Pacific proposes is a return to that on lines where PTC is not fully implemented.Sep 27 19:26
DaemonFC[m]It brings up the possibility of another disaster exactly like the one in downtown Chicago. Sep 27 19:27
DaemonFC[m]US infrastructure is in shockingly poor condition. They closed an interstate bridge between Texas and Louisiana because of that hurricane that hit Lake Charles a few weeks ago.Sep 27 19:28
DaemonFC[m]They said that it was because in the last engineering review, the bridge, which was constructed in the early 50s and has been 20 years overdue for a replacement, scored an F for structural integrity.Sep 27 19:28
DaemonFC[m]But they're still using it every day, so it's going to be another I-35 collapse eventually and everyone just thinks "Oh we can push it and keep using this for another 10 years and it'll probably be okay.".Sep 27 19:29
DaemonFC[m]Because there's so many things out there like that which all need replaced 20 years ago and Congress is busy giving money to fucking Real Networks, Trump Hotels, and Russian scam artists who get PPP loans and then flee the country.Sep 27 19:30
DaemonFC[m]Trump keeps saying he wants and infrastructure bill, the Democrats do too, but they're not just going to hand him something that puts toll booths everywhere. Everyone hates toll booths. I go out of my way to take the long way around the Illinois and Indiana toll roads.Sep 27 19:31
DaemonFC[m]I will drive another half hour to avoid paying to use infrastructure that should be funded by rich assholes who can goddamned afford to pay their taxes.Sep 27 19:31
DaemonFC[m]The Illinois legislature has been mishandling the budget for years, and now we have to pass constitutional amendments, under open threat. Open threat.Sep 27 19:32
DaemonFC[m]The Lt. Gov OPENLY THREATENED us in a speech yesterday.Sep 27 19:33
DaemonFC[m]She said if you don't pass the "progressive tax" in this election, "Everyone will get a permanent 20% income tax hike, no matter whether you can pay it or not.".Sep 27 19:33
DaemonFC[m]How is that NOT a threat?Sep 27 19:33
MinceR"are you threatening me, master jedi?"Sep 27 19:42
DaemonFC[m]Trump's economy is fantastic. To prove it, the BLS is producing a new measure of GDP.Sep 27 20:12
DaemonFC[m]The CPI-HS.Sep 27 20:12
DaemonFC[m]When you consider GDP by only including hand sanitizer, it's up over 400% in a single year. Winning.Sep 27 20:12
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schestowitztheir whole "Linux" section is megaphone of MicrosoftSep 27 23:06
schestowitzand they have just bought Linux Journal assetsSep 27 23:06
schestowitznot goodSep 27 23:06
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schestowitzthey try to control the whole narrativeSep 27 23:08
schestowitz"Linux" is... MicrosoftSep 27 23:08
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