●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 ●● ● Sep 27 [00:01] schestowitz[TR] I read about people shooting officers [00:01] schestowitz[TR] and people escaping, even high-profile [00:01] schestowitz[TR] 200k men escaping the country [00:01] schestowitz[TR] and one person setting himself ablazer in protest [00:01] schestowitz[TR] *ablaze [00:01] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yep, all true. [00:02] schestowitz[TR] maybe putin can be ousted soon [00:02] schestowitz[TR] maybe even the military general can cook something up [00:02] schestowitz[TR] but military junta regime is not much better [00:03] schestowitz[TR] some of them already speak about using nukes [00:03] schestowitz[TR] "tactical" [00:04] TR News Proprietary RemotePC Adds Linux Support https://www.socaltech.com/remotepc_adds_linux_support/s-0082922.html [00:04] TR Bot Adds Linux Support - socaltech.com [00:06] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:06] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights [00:08] TR News "We enabled the new watchlist feature in February 2022 under the beta program. Since then, we have been improving this feature thanks to the valuable feedback coming from our users. Moving forward today, we are now ready to push it out of the beta program and make it generally available in OBS." https://openbuildservice.org/2022/09/26/watchlist-rollout// [00:08] TR Bot The New Watchlist Came to Stay - Open Build Service [00:12] TR News Speech Recognition to Text in Linux, Ubuntu using Google Docs https://www.debugpoint.com/speech-recognition-to-text-in-linux-ubuntu-using-google-docs/ Source: DebugPoint | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.debugpoint.com/speech-recognition-to-text-in-linux-ubuntu-using-google-docs/ [00:12] TR Bot reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.debugpoint.com/speech-recognition-to-text-in-linux-ubuntu-using-google-docs/ ) [00:13] TR News Linux User Space 307: Episode 3:07: Emacs Pinky https://www.linuxuserspace.show/307 [00:13] TR Bot Linux User Space 307: Episode 3:07: Emacs Pinky [00:16] TR News COVID-19: 44% of hospitalisations boosted https://yewtu.be/watch?v=szUC8GpGJ4A [00:16] TR Bot 44% of hospitalisations boosted - Invidious [00:18] TR News "A performance fix for recent large AMD systems that avoids an ancient cpu idle hardware workaround" https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=a1375562c0a87f0fa2eaf3e8ce15824696d4170a [00:18] TR Bot kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree [00:19] TR News Nokia came back to Linux at the end https://itwire.com/your-it-news/mobility/nokia-releases-three-feature-phones-for-australian-market.html [00:19] TR Bot - Nokia releases three feature phones for Australian market [00:19] TR News iTWire - Optus attacker exposes data of 10k, threatens to reveal more https://itwire.com/security/optus-attacker-exposes-data-of-10k,-threatens-to-reveal-more.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/security/optus-attacker-exposes-data-of-10k,-threatens-to-reveal-more.html [00:19] TR Bot - Optus attacker exposes data of 10k, threatens to reveal more [00:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [00:23] TR News A lot of the mob which not only attacked RMS but moreover led the mob attacked the man over his "condition", hypocritically failing to acknowledge they themselves have some real clinical conditions. The double standard is just astounding. [00:29] *gde35 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [00:32] TR News (NEW): Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi [00:32] TR Bot Tux Machines Red Hat / IBM Leftovers [00:32] *gde33 has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) [00:32] TR News (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Security_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Security_Leftovers.1.gmi [00:32] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [00:33] TR News (NEW): 20-year-old Linux workaround is still slowing down AMD systems http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/20_year_old_Linux_workaround_is_still_slowing_down_AMD_systems.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/20_year_old_Linux_workaround_is_still_slowing_down_AMD_systems.gmi [00:33] TR Bot Tux Machines 20-year-old Linux workaround is still slowing down AMD systems [00:34] TR News Linux 6.0 should be with us very soon | TechRadar https://www.techradar.com/news/linux-60-should-be-with-us-very-soon Source: TechRadar | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.techradar.com/news/linux-60-should-be-with-us-very-soon [00:34] TR Bot 6.0 should be with us very soon | TechRadar [00:34] TR News The Real Reason Why The Linux Logo Is A Penguin https://www.slashgear.com/1026441/the-real-reason-why-the-linux-logo-is-a-penguin/ Source: SlashGear | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.slashgear.com/1026441/the-real-reason-why-the-linux-logo-is-a-penguin/ [00:34] TR Bot The Real Reason Why The Linux Logo Is A Penguin [00:35] TR News Lilbits: Pixel Watch leaked (again), improving Linux performance on modern AMD chips, and Linux for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 - Liliputing https://liliputing.com/lilbits-pixel-watch-leaked-again-improving-linux-performance-on-modern-amd-chips-and-linux-for-the-samsung-galaxy-tab-2/ Source: Liliputing [00:35] TR Bot Pixel Watch leaked (again), improving Linux performance on modern AMD chips, and Linux for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 - Liliputing [00:38] TR News "Welcome to the Microsoft/Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 754 for the week of September 18 24, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/09/26/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-754/ [00:38] TR Bot Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 754 [00:41] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [00:41] *techuser (~techuser@4cttgy36y9ksk.irc) has joined #techrights [00:49] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:51] TR News (NEW): Ubuntu: Ubuntu Touch, Newsletter, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Ubuntu_Ubuntu_Touch_Newsletter_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Ubuntu_Ubuntu_Touch_Newsletter_and_More.gmi [00:51] TR Bot Tux Machines Ubuntu: Ubuntu Touch, Newsletter, and More [00:52] TR News (NEW): Devices: GNU/Linux for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, Banana Pi/Raspberry Pi, and ESP32 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Devices_GNU_Linux_for_the_Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_2_Banana_Pi_Raspbe.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/Devices_GNU_Linux_for_the_Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_2_Banana_Pi_Raspbe.gmi [00:52] TR Bot Tux Machines Devices: GNU/Linux for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2, Banana Pi/Raspberry Pi, and ESP32 [00:55] schestowitz[TR] does anyone here know what happened to m kiwi irc last night? [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.20 k/sec., IPFS upstream 179.90 average k/sec., average swarm size 115.43 ● Sep 27 [01:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [01:02] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [01:03] TR News "I think, sadly, its going to take a lot longer than everyone would like too, because there are few people working on it and they are all very busy with other real-life things." https://pod.diaspora.software/posts/4984491 [01:03] TR Bot An update on the future of JoinDiaspora.com [01:03] *gde35 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/) [01:04] TR News GNU has just entered its 40th year in Europe. 40 years completed in 364 days from now. [01:09] TR News So-called 'leftists' still want the head of Snowden on a stake https://yewtu.be/watch?v=84h4RnRaDWw instead of extending gratitude to him exposing injustice [01:09] TR Bot Putin Grants Russian Citizenship To Edward Snowden - Invidious [01:11] XRevan86 I personally want everyone to think of Snowden's activism in past tense, ignore what he says now and just let him live with his wife and kids wherever. [01:12] techuser what he says now? [01:12] TR News Less toxic coverage https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eB__OJ6xZeQ [01:12] TR Bot Edward Snowden granted citizenship from Russia - Invidious [01:13] techuser did he get corrupted? [01:13] XRevan86 techuser: I checked his Twitter, and it's mostly dull criticism of the US politics, Biden and such. [01:13] TR News 2013 (thinks have changed a lot since): Snowden allowed into Russia https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tABwdFXqkjE [01:14] TR Bot Snowden allowed into Russia - Invidious [01:14] techuser oh, ok [01:14] XRevan86 At least the recent posts haven't much to show for. [01:16] TR News Canonical pushing Windows and systemd https://yewtu.be/watch?v=J4gvO1rDYME [01:16] TR Bot Tips for working with web services on Ubuntu WSL #WSL #Ubuntu #Linux - Invidious [01:16] XRevan86 techuser: "did he get corrupted?" <- He ignores Russian politics (in the posts that I've scrolled over), which is quite a feat considering how the world is focused on Russian politics right now %). [01:17] XRevan86 That's understandable considering how his life depends on Putin's favourable disposition, but that's corruption. [01:18] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [01:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [01:20] XRevan86 So my opinion is that he doesn't deserve to be turned over but also doesn't deserve an audience. Just leave him alone. [01:22] DaemonFC mjg59_ is going completely off the rails. [01:22] DaemonFC Says that feature requests and bug reports from "transphobes" should just be ignored. [01:23] XRevan86 techuser: Which I guess is what everyone's been doing anyway since no one remembered about him for years until the citizenship news. [01:23] DaemonFC It seems that you can use this as an excuse to leave your software buggy and missing features that would make it better even if they're not talking politics on your bug reporting system. [01:23] DaemonFC He would like that very much because he supports proprietary software companies and doesn't want there to be any credible alternatives, which is why he sabotages GNU/Linux. [01:24] DaemonFC "ransphobes do not benefit society." lol [01:24] DaemonFC I think Hitler said this about gay men. [01:24] DaemonFC Which is what led them to Holocaust camps. [01:24] DaemonFC "and so are incompatible with the goals of free software" [01:25] psydruid mjg is a has-been [01:25] DaemonFC Free Software isn't a political movement outside of the debate on whether software should do what the user says or what some tyrant that made the thing and won't give you any source code or rights to modify it made it do. [01:25] psydruid he knows it, we know it, everyone knows it [01:25] DaemonFC mjg59_ is useless to the Free Software movement. [01:26] *betsy has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:26] psydruid a major liability I should say [01:26] *horseface (~horseface@9ucczhkmm895g.irc) has joined #techrights [01:26] schestowitz[TR] Oliver from Canonical does not seem to ahve twitter or linkedin presence [01:26] schestowitz[TR] just wanted to check if he came from Microsoft [01:26] schestowitz[TR] his name is very common [01:26] schestowitz[TR] which makes that hard [01:26] psydruid don't let him come close to your software, let alone touch it [01:26] psydruid as it will get infected [01:27] DaemonFC LinkedIn experiments on people with nasty A/B tests like Windows does. Isn't it better to use Free Software that has the same GUI for all users and doesn't treat them like lab rats to drive some bullshit advertising scheme and defy documentation? [01:27] DaemonFC mjg59_ stepped up his Shitter attacks on me right after I pointed this out. [01:29] DaemonFC I don't think that GULAG actually has any real power to convince Free Software people not to converse with me about their software. [01:29] psydruid let's see how long it takes for him to get fired [01:29] DaemonFC He's just pouring this crap out there as more of his "legend in my own mind" stuff. [01:29] MinceR curious thing to be upset about [01:29] schestowitz[TR] he is a loser and stalker [01:30] schestowitz[TR] who wastes money on shitty lawyers who try to terrify my wife [01:30] schestowitz[TR] he is a net bully [01:30] schestowitz[TR] and he defames a lot of people [01:30] psydruid mjg will send you to his GULAG [01:30] MinceR he probably hates free software with a passion [01:30] schestowitz[TR] for totally BS reasons [01:30] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: he does not love anything [01:30] schestowitz[TR] not even himself [01:30] psydruid a total backstabbing useless piece of human garbage [01:30] DaemonFC mjg59_ is a reason there's a binary-only "shim" program that's the first thing your firmware loads up on most GNU/Linux distributions. [01:30] schestowitz[TR] that's a motivation to just take everyone else down [01:30] schestowitz[TR] or to put them down [01:31] schestowitz[TR] to make Torvalds miserable [01:31] DaemonFC And if you do anything to modify "shim", it won't accept it because it won't be signed by MICROSOFT anymore. [01:31] schestowitz[TR] to abuse RMS [01:31] schestowitz[TR] going after old men [01:31] DaemonFC He's not a Free Software person. [01:31] schestowitz[TR] RMS is almost 70 [01:31] schestowitz[TR] brb [01:31] schestowitz[TR] I am trying to figure out how many canonical managers came from microsoft [01:31] schestowitz[TR] 1 or 2 is not a lot [01:31] schestowitz[TR] but there might be more we don't yet know about [01:32] schestowitz[TR] microsoft is like a virus [01:32] schestowitz[TR] it infects hosts [01:32] schestowitz[TR] Canonical PM: "local_optimum" [01:32] psydruid I didn't watch that canonical video after the first 10 seconds [01:32] MinceR it's way too big to be a virus :> [01:32] schestowitz[TR] localhostthe host is acanonical [01:32] MinceR it's more like a tapeworm [01:32] schestowitz[TR] the virus is Microsoft/WSL/systemd [01:32] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: yeah [01:32] schestowitz[TR] it eats the inside [01:33] DaemonFC He's comparing me to a Nazi. No, my family fought Nazis. What did GULAG's family do? Run from them? [01:33] schestowitz[TR] that video shows useless crap [01:33] schestowitz[TR] I watched the entire thing [01:33] schestowitz[TR] short store, he sets up some containers [01:33] schestowitz[TR] like apache [01:33] DaemonFC Perhaps where he got his weasel genes from. [01:33] schestowitz[TR] than accesses it from WSL [01:33] schestowitz[TR] then sets up some port forwarding of sorts [01:33] schestowitz[TR] so you can access it from windows [01:33] schestowitz[TR] what for? [01:33] schestowitz[TR] gooef question [01:33] schestowitz[TR] totally useless [01:34] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: link? [01:34] schestowitz[TR] niter? [01:34] schestowitz[TR] *nitter [01:34] MinceR your typos make it look like you're typing in dutch :> [01:34] schestowitz[TR] comparing a gay man to nazis would be a low blow [01:34] DaemonFC I feel like anyone who is following mjg59_ on Twitter is seriously misguided and probably not interested in actual facts or talking to me about this. Maybe they're even fake accounts. [01:34] schestowitz[TR] like mocking an irishman for starving [01:34] DaemonFC https://nitter.it/mjg59 [01:34] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Uh I didn't compare you to a nazi [01:34] TR Bot Garrett (@mjg59)|nitter.it [01:35] mjg59_ Apologies if what I wrote could be interpreted that way [01:35] schestowitz[TR] "fuck off" [01:35] schestowitz[TR] are you sure you are employed? [01:35] schestowitz[TR] talking like this in public? [01:35] schestowitz[TR] anger management issue [01:36] schestowitz[TR] maybe we should file a coc complain [01:36] DaemonFC One of your followers said you are "telling nazis to fuck off" in the middle of your posts, which you're obviously targeting at me as "he who shall not be named" and you liked it. [01:36] schestowitz[TR] and re-siubmit him to anger management therapy [01:36] DaemonFC So what else can I infer from this? [01:36] schestowitz[TR] and forced apology [01:36] schestowitz[TR] for telling people, repeatedly, "fuck off" [01:36] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Uh. No. I do in fact think about people other than you. [01:36] schestowitz[TR] if RMS had done that. there would be a riot [01:36] chunky guys plz [01:36] mjg59_ In this case I'm talking about Josh Moon [01:36] chunky i can't stand all this fighting [01:36] chunky :( [01:37] schestowitz[TR] https://nitter.it/molly0xFFF/status/1574525483441610761#m [01:37] TR Bot White (@molly0xFFF): "a FOSS maintainer telling nazis to fuck off rules, actually"|nitter.it [01:37] schestowitz[TR] that conflates two things [01:37] DaemonFC I've never doxed anyone to try to compel them to commit suicide. Certainly never done that. [01:37] schestowitz[TR] and lowers the standards for what qualifies as nazis [01:37] schestowitz[TR] sooner or later you start saying jk rowling is "a nazi" [01:37] DaemonFC But I maintain that anyone who commits self-immolation because of some internet trolls was probably 90% of the way there already. [01:37] schestowitz[TR] and so real nazis [01:37] DaemonFC Due to serious untreated mental health problems. [01:37] schestowitz[TR] are just laughing it off [01:37] schestowitz[TR] "i'm like the harry potter author, a brit.." [01:38] *horseface has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:38] schestowitz[TR] anyway, bbl [01:38] immibis schestowitz[TR]: (1) what do you define as a nazi and (2) why do you need 5 IRC connections [01:38] schestowitz[TR] this is offtopic anyway [01:38] schestowitz[TR] but someone has serious anger issues [01:38] schestowitz[TR] and lower the barriers of "nazism" [01:39] schestowitz[TR] which is a disservice to peopple who actually suffer from actual nazis [01:39] MinceR 27 023644 < chunky> i can't stand all this fighting [01:39] psydruid a british Nazi eulogist [01:39] MinceR you're on the wrong planet, then :> [01:39] DaemonFC mjg59_, In fact, I was the victim of doxing and Internet trolls. I called Peter Staley a garbage drug company advertiser posing as an activist, and he raised up an army of, I'm not shitting you, gay men with AIDS, and told them to blow up my house phone. [01:39] MinceR (and so am i) [01:39] immibis DaemonFC: you appear to be a communist on all matters except transgenderism, and on that particular matter you appear to be a nazi [01:39] DaemonFC When I was on THEIR side. [01:39] schestowitz[TR] immibis: how does (1) related to (2)? [01:39] schestowitz[TR] is (2) a fallback strategy? [01:39] DaemonFC Arguing that they should not have to pay those prices for medication. [01:39] immibis schestowitz[TR]: they don't, except insofar as I pressed tab to autocomplete your nick. [01:39] DaemonFC And that Staley was part of the problem they were facing. [01:39] starstreak DaemonFC: you appear to be a communist on all matters except transgenderism, and on that particular matter you appear to be a nazi <- +1 [01:40] schestowitz[TR] nazi lowercase [01:40] schestowitz[TR] has no meaning [01:40] schestowitz[TR] you cheapen the term [01:40] schestowitz[TR] like ADL calling lots and lots of peple "antisemites" [01:40] schestowitz[TR] and in turn renders the term meaningless [01:40] schestowitz[TR] anyway, bbl. have fuin. this is offtoopic [01:40] schestowitz[TR] we have 2 othr channels for this [01:41] DaemonFC Staley is an asshole. A real asshole. Not much different than mjg59_. Staley still says "activist" on a mission to wipe out AIDS. With $60,000 a year drugs and the patent racket, I presume. Garrett turned on Free Software when he moved from ACPI to bullshitter for Microsoft. [01:41] starstreak lol theres 3 actually, daemonfc registered #heilhitler [01:41] DaemonFC I didn't do anything of the sort. [01:42] TR News Refuses to comment... https://yewtu.be/vi/xiYew-WTmE0/mqdefault.jpg [01:42] DaemonFC The only acceptable thing for AIDS drugs is for more of them to go generic and for the government to shut down "pay for delay". [01:43] TR News Earlier this month: The Privacy Problem Associated With All Mobile Phones (Even Dumb Ones) is Worse Than Snowden Put It http://techrights.org/2022/09/03/privacy-of-mobile-phones/ [01:43] TR Bot The Privacy Problem Associated With All Mobile Phones (Even Dumb Ones) is Worse Than Snowden Put It | Techrights [01:43] DaemonFC It's where they pay generics companies to delay generics for like 5 years in exchange for a bag of cash so that people still have no choice but to buy the brand name. [01:43] DaemonFC It's exactly what it sounds like. It's terrible. [01:43] TR News Refuses to comment... https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xiYew-WTmE0 [01:43] TR Bot JUST IN: White House Refuses To Comment On Putin Granting Russian Citizenship To Edward Snowden - Invidious [01:43] DaemonFC Then since there's no generics, it also bleeds government health insurance programs dry. (Taxpayers) [01:44] schestowitz[TR] bill gates profits from it [01:44] schestowitz[TR] but bill gates does not worry people who attack our movement [01:44] schestowitz[TR] he's on their side [01:44] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2013/05/09/drugs-business-patents/ [01:44] TR Bot Novartis Pursued by Government Prosecutors, But Not for Its Patent Abuses | Techrights [01:45] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2010/04/19/opposition-silenced-or-suppressed/ [01:45] TR Bot The Gates Foundation May Have Silenced Competing Research Ahead of New Gates Foundation-Funded Study; Gates Connected to Novartis | Techrights [01:45] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2009/12/20/pharmaceutical-industry-patents/ [01:45] TR Bot The Great Pharmaceutical Patent Hoax and the Gates Pharmaceutical Patent Investments | Techrights [01:45] schestowitz[TR] bill gates is protected minority [01:45] DaemonFC I don't see how I'm a Nazi on "trans" issues. I already said I'm not amused by it but leave them alone. [01:45] schestowitz[TR] people who amass over $100,000,000,000 in a tax-doidging offshore account are a minority [01:45] DaemonFC That's a little different than the Diary of Ann fucking Frank. [01:45] schestowitz[TR] they're above cricism or something [01:46] *psydruid notices the tactics to undermine techrights have intensified [01:46] schestowitz[TR] yeah [01:46] schestowitz[TR] they interject sex [01:46] schestowitz[TR] I never publicly talk about sex [01:46] schestowitz[TR] it's not relevant [01:46] schestowitz[TR] I don't even talk to friends about it IRL [01:46] schestowitz[TR] you can count on the finger of one hand who brings up sex here [01:47] schestowitz[TR] even in private messages sent to me today [01:47] schestowitz[TR] there'a an old saying [01:47] schestowitz[TR] a politician can be corrupt [01:47] schestowitz[TR] bribe [01:47] schestowitz[TR] blackmail [01:47] schestowitz[TR] etc etc. [01:47] schestowitz[TR] but the moment there is a penis-related scandals [01:47] schestowitz[TR] prosecuton of stepping down [01:47] schestowitz[TR] crimes are OK [01:48] schestowitz[TR] just keep the zipper in tact [01:48] schestowitz[TR] that's the standard in society [01:48] schestowitz[TR] but the "protected minority" of gates [01:48] schestowitz[TR] they are OK [01:48] schestowitz[TR] bill clinton, donald trump, bill gates.. [01:48] schestowitz[TR] .they can also fly with epstein [01:48] schestowitz[TR] no action taken [01:49] schestowitz[TR] https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40809225.html [01:49] TR Bot 'Are the British public ultimately paying for Andrew to avoid appearing in court?' [01:49] schestowitz[TR] the "fall man" [01:49] schestowitz[TR] maxwell in prison [01:49] schestowitz[TR] epstein: "well, he's dead" [01:49] schestowitz[TR] Andrew settled with OUR MONEY [01:49] schestowitz[TR] but the billionaire club? [01:49] schestowitz[TR] nothing... [01:49] schestowitz[TR] not even the media touches them [01:50] psydruid all of the large tech companies don't exist primarily to serve their clients but to serve themselves and their masters [01:50] psydruid it's scary how much of software is utterly useless and a giant waste of resources [01:51] psydruid except when the goals are wealth, power, control and fame [01:51] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/361354943287934976 [01:51] TR Bot This magazine also includes an operating system tutorial written by Bill Gates [01:52] schestowitz[TR] maybe he dived a trash can for it [01:52] schestowitz[TR] and then put his name on it :) [01:53] schestowitz[TR] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ [01:53] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ ) [01:53] schestowitz[TR] missing data [01:53] schestowitz[TR] "my dog ate my homeword" [01:53] schestowitz[TR] " Weekly deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate do not include data from Scotlan" [01:53] psydruid bill gates was in it for those things, but now he engages in other endeavours with a better return on investment [01:53] schestowitz[TR] "No further update to hospital admissions in Scotland and UK" [01:54] schestowitz[TR] "Get me into that and goddam, we'll make so much money!" [01:54] schestowitz[TR] -bill gates [01:54] psydruid mjg worships bill gates's dumpster diving skills [01:54] schestowitz[TR] source: http://techrights.org/2007/12/01/antitrust-letters-doj/ [01:54] TR Bot Public Letters Protesting Against Department of Justice Decisions | Techrights [01:54] psydruid every day before he sends another person off to a life in the GULAG [01:54] schestowitz[TR] "Get me into that, Bill Gates is quoted as saying, and goddam, well make so much money! The free flow of transportation was engineered by geniusesHenry Ford, John A. Roebling, Norman Bel Geddesand championed by presidentsAbraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower. The free flow of ideas is one of the basic principles upheld by the United States Constitution. Up to now, all successful freedom has [01:54] schestowitz[TR] been constructed and established on solid principles. Are we truly prepared to draw up a statement that speaks for all of us as a people and a nation, that serves as a catalyst for the surrender of the free flow of information not to an institution defined by principles, but a corporation defined by deception?" [01:55] psydruid to living a life* [01:55] schestowitz[TR] gatres hardly rites anything [01:55] schestowitz[TR] he gets people to do it for him [01:55] schestowitz[TR] adds his name [01:55] schestowitz[TR] one wonders what the role of ricj allen jones was [01:55] schestowitz[TR] he keps chiuld porn videos andf images [01:55] schestowitz[TR] on several EXTERNAL sdrives [01:55] schestowitz[TR] seve4ral [01:56] schestowitz[TR] external [01:56] schestowitz[TR] portable [01:56] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/08/05/jones-search-warrant/ [01:56] TR Bot Release: Search Warrant and Reports on Findings When Bill Gates Engineer Arrested for Pedophilia | Techrights [01:57] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/pee-gates/ [01:57] TR Bot The Real Pee-gate Was on External (Portable) Media of Bill Gates Engineer, Arrested Over Pedophilia at the Gates Mansion | Techrights [01:57] schestowitz[TR] porn of kids peed on? [01:57] psydruid portable nazi exploitation drive [01:57] schestowitz[TR] also relevant: https://techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/ [01:57] TR Bot What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones | Techrights [01:57] psydruid but that's ok, as long as there are boundaries in place [01:58] TR News How I Record - Edit Audio on Linux // Electric Guitar - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-dZHUj41q-8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/-dZHUj41q-8 [01:58] TR Bot How I Record & Edit Audio on Linux // Electric Guitar - Invidious [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 12.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 145.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 113.65 ● Sep 27 [02:00] DaemonFC mjg59_, Quotes Gates, a pedophile. [02:00] DaemonFC Lovely. [02:01] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D712.jpg [02:01] TR News [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D366.jpg [02:01] psydruid ban pedophiles from the transformative free software movement [02:02] DaemonFC "It's actually in response to a maintainer rightfully telling the transphobes to fuck off." [02:02] DaemonFC Which maintainer, of what? [02:02] DaemonFC Is there some reason I should care? [02:02] psydruid does that mean we can kick Microsoft out of all free software projects? [02:02] TR News Microsoft Doesnt Like Work from Home gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/microsoft-work-from-home.gmi Microsoft is run by criminals and sociopaths. The criminal and sociopathic tendencies vibe well there... [02:03] DaemonFC All of the well-written Free Software (stuff that actually performs the job it sets out to do) was written a long time ago and has never had any sort of CoC attached to it. [02:03] psydruid plenty of pedophiles at Microsoft & Friends [02:03] DaemonFC A CoC alone is a signal to run away from it, usually. [02:03] psydruid A CoC is synonym for a death sentence [02:03] DaemonFC A lot of projects that are almost universally well-liked date back so far into the past that they're still hosted on SourceForge. [02:04] DaemonFC GNOME is on a mission to make IRC suck with Polari. [02:04] DaemonFC That has a CoC. [02:04] DaemonFC HexChat works pretty well. [02:04] MinceR mcgovern is helping [02:04] psydruid "We got a CoC!" "Habemus CoCkum!" [02:05] MinceR testiculam habet, et bene pendentes [02:05] schestowitz[TR] is mcgovern still around? [02:05] DaemonFC Polari isn't interested in even remembering what my IRC server passwords are. That's a "feature". Can't have those. If I requested one, they'd reject it anyway and it's because they're GNOME and they reject feature requests from everyone. [02:05] DaemonFC mjg59_, ^ [02:05] psydruid Ita verissime est [02:05] MinceR still listed on https://www.oftc.net/staff/ [02:05] TR Bot OFTC - Staff [02:05] schestowitz[TR] didn't heard ANYTHING of him since http://techrights.org/2022/02/14/goodbye-mcgovern/ [02:05] TR Bot Reprehensible GNOME Foundation Leadership Falls on Sword While Richard Stallman Returns | Techrights [02:05] schestowitz[TR] same for bully "blue hair, cannot code" de blanc [02:05] DaemonFC Does MATE have a CoC? [02:05] schestowitz[TR] his deputy in crime [02:05] DaemonFC Might be worth looking at MATE. [02:06] DaemonFC Most of the better programmers tended to be "difficult" people who don't get along well with CoC's so it makes sense that the CoC sabotaged the overall quality of Free Software. [02:06] DaemonFC If the best suited to write it are the people you're running out of town on a rail. [02:07] schestowitz[TR] coc is sold as opening up to more people [02:07] schestowitz[TR] in practice, it's about shunning people [02:07] schestowitz[TR] ujsually for speech that does not even relate to the project [02:07] schestowitz[TR] like political/voting choices [02:07] schestowitz[TR] or cirticising - GASP - a corporation [02:07] schestowitz[TR] since Gulag bribes almost everything (org, project) you cannot criticise espionage now [02:08] schestowitz[TR] live along with espionage [02:08] DaemonFC Most of Polari's actual code to implement IRC is just Copypasta from HexChat iirc. [02:08] schestowitz[TR] or get banned [02:08] schestowitz[TR] gulag even censors mailing lists of projects [02:08] schestowitz[TR] to ensure nobody starts dissent against gulag [02:08] schestowitz[TR] of any kkind [02:08] schestowitz[TR] like, asking questions [02:08] schestowitz[TR] "is this ethical?" [02:08] DaemonFC They put a dumbed down GNOME interface on it and made it impossible to tell it to remember your nickserv password or authenticate with SASL and called it a day. [02:08] schestowitz[TR] brb [02:08] schestowitz[TR] doing Daily Links [02:08] psydruid who doesn't like some CoC once in a while [02:09] schestowitz[TR] depends [02:09] schestowitz[TR] if it's underage [02:09] schestowitz[TR] and without pubic hair [02:09] schestowitz[TR] epstein wants it [02:09] schestowitz[TR] and graveley tool [02:10] schestowitz[TR] he boasted how he likes cocks... but only if they are kids without hair [02:10] schestowitz[TR] he wrote this in SMS [02:10] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.gmi [02:10] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [02:10] schestowitz[TR] he's sexually sick [02:10] psydruid what I'm wondering about, though [02:10] schestowitz[TR] microsoft hired him [02:10] schestowitz[TR] and PROMOTED him [02:10] schestowitz[TR] MANAGER of github copilot [02:10] schestowitz[TR] like Conde nast promoted drpizza [02:11] schestowitz[TR] he was moderating their forum ass editors [02:11] schestowitz[TR] whilke booking kids to put his dick inside of [02:11] schestowitz[TR] no word from the anti-foss so-called 'justice' warriors [02:11] schestowitz[TR] it's not of iinterest to them [02:11] schestowitz[TR] drpizza like ed bought werre busy hailing mjg59_ [02:11] schestowitz[TR] for his lifetime services to Micorsoft [02:12] psydruid is whether microsoft, mjg and the rest of the gang bang clan will ever stop when they know 100% of free software projects are CoColded [02:12] schestowitz[TR] it's about splitting communioties [02:12] schestowitz[TR] this is what he is here for btw [02:12] schestowitz[TR] to find ways toicause a rift [02:12] schestowitz[TR] don't fall for it [02:12] schestowitz[TR] I support trans people [02:13] schestowitz[TR] and people can attest to it [02:13] schestowitz[TR] he tries to make some phony narrative [02:13] DaemonFC Most pedos are too stupid to avoid getting caught anyway. I was reading about a 26 year old Florida teacher who was convicted of a 5 month sexual relationship with a 14 year old student. She was talking to him over Snapchat. [02:13] schestowitz[TR] by selective quoting [02:13] DaemonFC I mean, SNAPCHAT. Really. [02:13] DaemonFC I'm not joking. [02:13] schestowitz[TR] or holding me accountable for a person whom I never met [02:13] schestowitz[TR] and whom I don't agree with on many things except technical [02:13] DaemonFC "Hey wiretap! I'm in a sexual fling with a 14 year old. Please record our messages for the police later, thanks!" [02:14] schestowitz[TR] --- [02:14] schestowitz[TR] self-described sjw: i protect kids [02:14] schestowitz[TR] [dresses up as kid toy for his sex] [02:14] chunky did he really describe that screenshot as 'unhinged'? ... really??? [02:14] chunky using words in quotes as an example is unhinged now? [02:15] chunky gr0an [02:15] psydruid the thing is that CoC enforcers already own most free software projects [02:15] DaemonFC Why are people using proprietary iPhone apps to discuss sexual meetups? Especially when they're illegal sexual meetups? [02:15] DaemonFC Who doesn't know that these apps are spyware? [02:15] psydruid but even that doesn't make them happy, it seems [02:16] psydruid I wonder what will make them happy [02:16] schestowitz[TR] he police likes it this way [02:17] schestowitz[TR] and then they tell us encryption enables terrorism etc. [02:17] schestowitz[TR] even when time and time again it's demonstrates they don't use enryp[tion at all [02:17] schestowitz[TR] they use windows a lot [02:17] schestowitz[TR] they also us dilects to throw off the wiretapping staff [02:17] schestowitz[TR] or code words [02:17] schestowitz[TR] not encryption [02:18] schestowitz[TR] the thing is that CoC enforcers already own most free software projects [02:18] schestowitz[TR] cocs originally caame from large corporations [02:18] schestowitz[TR] as a poretext for funding [02:18] schestowitz[TR] so that's essentially like saying the big corporations control a lot of free sofwtare [02:18] schestowitz[TR] even debian [02:18] schestowitz[TR] takes tons of money from gulag, outsourced CI to guilag clown [02:18] schestowitz[TR] and then on the side paying lawyers a ton of money to silence whistlebloqers [02:19] schestowitz[TR] who happen to have also exposed a lot of abuse by gulag [02:19] schestowitz[TR] so SPI/Debian as used as a proxy for corporations muzzling their critics [02:19] schestowitz[TR] just lovely [02:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [02:20] schestowitz[TR] Debian 1990s: scholars making free software [02:20] schestowitz[TR] Debian 2010: people who can't code but have blue hair (their words) [02:20] schestowitz[TR] Debian 2020: lawyers and k00ks [02:20] schestowitz[TR] acting as a proxy for corporations like Gulag Inc. and more [02:20] schestowitz[TR] voluntering mill [02:21] schestowitz[TR] "get your staff here for free... they'll build packages for your clown and fix bugs" [02:21] schestowitz[TR] "be sure to provide poor young girls for them in annual debconf events" [02:21] schestowitz[TR] "so they can 'unload'..." [02:21] psydruid if you put in so much work, you'd better get paid good money for it [02:25] schestowitz[TR] anyway, sorry for the metaophr [02:25] schestowitz[TR] but it's not far from the truths [02:25] schestowitz[TR] some of them go to these fosss events on their own money [02:25] schestowitz[TR] unlike the girls who are bussed in [02:25] schestowitz[TR] the devs don't want to "miss out" [02:25] schestowitz[TR] of course those girls are [02:25] schestowitz[TR] 1. not developers [02:25] schestowitz[TR] 2. barely know what debian is [02:25] schestowitz[TR] 3. never used gnu/linux [02:26] schestowitz[TR] in the context of the japenese empire: comfort women [02:26] schestowitz[TR] or buffer women [02:26] schestowitz[TR] to give the pretence of diversity in debian [02:26] schestowitz[TR] buffering it up [02:27] schestowitz[TR] then take photo ops [02:27] schestowitz[TR] for the site [02:27] schestowitz[TR] like companies do [02:27] schestowitz[TR] mixing the low-paid staff (women and minorities) [02:27] schestowitz[TR] with the people in charge [02:27] schestowitz[TR] white men [02:27] schestowitz[TR] "look, we are all about diversity" [02:27] schestowitz[TR] we hire women for half the market price" [02:28] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/microsoft-gender-equality/ [02:28] TR Bot Microsoft Gender (In)Equality: Women Dont Ask for Raises | Techrights [02:28] psydruid discount women [02:29] psydruid from your local women's store [02:29] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Programming_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Programming_Leftovers.gmi [02:29] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers [02:30] schestowitz[TR] "ask andy rubin for directions" [02:32] psydruid the thing for me is that microsoft and the gang bang clan can have all the free software they want and milk it and their CoC to death [02:32] schestowitz[TR] andy imposed his coc on inferiors [02:32] psydruid but what if paradigms change and people abandon all of that software [02:33] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/ [02:33] TR Bot Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | Techrights [02:33] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2010/01/28/new-microsoft-hooker-scandal/ [02:33] TR Bot Microsoft Corporation: Sex, Drugs, and Corruption | Techrights [02:33] psydruid that would be like catching the emperor naked in a sandcastle [02:33] schestowitz[TR] Orgies [02:33] schestowitz[TR] At Microsoft [02:33] schestowitz[TR] don't "miss out" [02:33] schestowitz[TR] or they will FIRE you [02:34] psydruid no sane person should ever go to work there [02:34] TR News (NEW): Firefox: Snap, Tips, and LibreWolf as a Superior Option http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Firefox_Snap_Tips_and_LibreWolf_as_a_Superior_Option.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Firefox_Snap_Tips_and_LibreWolf_as_a_Superior_Option.gmi [02:34] TR Bot Tux Machines Firefox: Snap, Tips, and LibreWolf as a Superior Option [02:34] psydruid you are essentially getting paid for making the world a much worse place [02:35] psydruid than it would be if you just went live in a cave or a forest [02:35] psydruid or a cave in a forest [02:40] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-260922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-260922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-260922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-260922.txt [02:40] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 26, 2022 [02:40] schestowitz[TR] psydruid: can't [02:40] schestowitz[TR] no working from home [02:40] schestowitz[TR] or a save [02:40] schestowitz[TR] *cave [02:41] TR News Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techrights-260922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techrights-260922.txt [02:41] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 26, 2022 [02:41] schestowitz[TR] Microsoft Doesnt Like Work from Home gemini://pennywhether.xyz/articles/microsoft-work-from-home.gmi Microsoft is run by criminals and sociopaths. The criminal and sociopathic tendencies vibe well there... [02:41] schestowitz[TR] they need to breathe down your neck [02:41] schestowitz[TR] like SweatyB (Ballmer) [02:42] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-260922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-260922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-260922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-260922.txt [02:42] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 26, 2022 [02:43] psydruid didn't they put a hiring freeze into place? [02:43] schestowitz[TR] worse [02:43] TR News Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-260922.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-260922.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-260922.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-260922.txt [02:43] TR Bot IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, September 26, 2022 [02:43] schestowitz[TR] they fire [02:43] TR News Links 26/09/2022: FocusWriter 1.8.3 and Istio 1.15.1 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/26/istio-1-15-1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/26/istio-1-15-1/ [02:43] TR Bot Links 26/09/2022: FocusWriter 1.8.3 and Istio 1.15.1 | Techrights [02:43] schestowitz[TR] many sackings [02:43] schestowitz[TR] the media not reporting [02:43] schestowitz[TR] that would be "racist" [02:43] psydruid yes, the 10% thing they lie about [02:43] schestowitz[TR] they googlebombed it [02:43] psydruid or conveniently omit [02:43] schestowitz[TR] with claims of "1%" [02:43] schestowitz[TR] their media moles [02:43] schestowitz[TR] I saw the names [02:44] schestowitz[TR] they defraud their shareholders [02:44] schestowitz[TR] might setttle [02:44] schestowitz[TR] out of court [02:44] schestowitz[TR] "clown-0first" company [02:44] schestowitz[TR] it's all growing [02:44] schestowitz[TR] the clown! [02:44] psydruid I put that in a comment on tweakers and got downvoted into oblivion [02:44] schestowitz[TR] no layoofs [02:44] schestowitz[TR] "everything is ok" [02:44] TR News (NEW): Software: FocusWriter 1.8.3, Proton Drive, Istio 1.15.1, RemotePC, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Software_FocusWriter_1_8_3_Proton_Drive_Istio_1_15_1_RemotePC_a.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Software_FocusWriter_1_8_3_Proton_Drive_Istio_1_15_1_RemotePC_a.gmi [02:45] TR Bot Tux Machines Software: FocusWriter 1.8.3, Proton Drive, Istio 1.15.1, RemotePC, and More [02:45] TR News (NEW): Kernel: Tux Logo, Linux 6.0, Bootlin toolchains 2022.08, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Kernel_Tux_Logo_Linux_6_0_Bootlin_toolchains_2022_08_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Kernel_Tux_Logo_Linux_6_0_Bootlin_toolchains_2022_08_and_More.gmi [02:45] TR Bot Tux Machines Kernel: Tux Logo, Linux 6.0, Bootlin toolchains 2022.08, and More [02:45] TR News (NEW): Today's Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_leftovers.gmi [02:45] TR Bot Tux Machines today's leftovers [02:45] psydruid the only thing I can think of is how insecure these people are when it comes to others finding out what is really happening [02:46] schestowitz[TR] if you added a linkl [02:46] schestowitz[TR] to repots [02:46] TR News Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-09-26.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-09-26.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now) [02:46] schestowitz[TR] maybe the trolls would just absocond [02:46] psydruid I added a few links [02:46] schestowitz[TR] still waiting for github-related docs [02:46] schestowitz[TR] and then carry on with the series [02:46] schestowitz[TR] people don't do ad hom when you show thekm cout and police files [02:47] schestowitz[TR] they just keep silent [02:47] schestowitz[TR] like mjg59_ [02:47] schestowitz[TR] and work out some straw man [02:47] schestowitz[TR] for a wedge/angle [02:47] psydruid actually it's a good way to find out who the microsoft boosters are [02:48] psydruid and for them to out themselves as such [02:48] DaemonFC Debian 2010: people who can't code but have blue hair (their words) [02:48] DaemonFC Debian 2020: lawyers and k00ks [02:48] DaemonFC Sounds like mjg59_ and his followers on Twitter. [02:49] psydruid most down voters never reveal themselves [02:50] psydruid those are the silent majority who are in microsoft's backpocket without admitting it [02:52] schestowitz[TR] microsoft was caught... doing this [02:52] schestowitz[TR] inr eddit [02:52] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ [02:52] TR Bot Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights [02:52] schestowitz[TR] more in [02:52] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wiki/AstroTurfing [02:52] TR Bot AstroTurfing - Techrights [02:54] TR News (NEW): Today in Techrights http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Today_in_Techrights.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Today_in_Techrights.gmi [02:54] TR Bot Tux Machines Today in Techrights [02:56] TR News "Audacity gains a huge feature, Mozilla makes (valid) excuses, a bumper KDE Korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-196/ [02:56] TR Bot Late Night Linux Episode 196 Late Night Linux [02:57] TR News Forcing people to move to high-radiation and more surveillance-intensive protocols with newer (still valid) PATENTS https://itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/tpg-telecom-to-switch-off-3g-services-in-december-2023.html [02:57] TR Bot - TPG Telecom to switch off 3G services in December 2023 [02:59] TR News iTWire - Cold feet? Optus attacker changes tack, says all data deleted https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/cold-feet-optus-attacker-changes-tack,-says-all-data-deleted.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/business-it-news/security/cold-feet-optus-attacker-changes-tack,-says-all-data-deleted.html [02:59] TR Bot - Cold feet? Optus attacker changes tack, says all data deleted [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 160.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 134.80 ● Sep 27 [03:00] TR News US economy is a GONER. Now it's just busy creating MOAR wars and BANNING the competition... then blackmailing OTHER countries to also ban it. https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/us-bans-two-more-chinese-telecommunications-providers.html [03:00] TR Bot - US bans two more Chinese telecommunications providers [03:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [03:00] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [03:00] psydruid I tend to call them out, which they don't like [03:02] schestowitz[TR] good [03:02] schestowitz[TR] wait till microsoft adds some coc [03:02] schestowitz[TR] and bans yoiu [03:02] schestowitz[TR] on some false pretext/pretences [03:02] schestowitz[TR] or phones you employer [03:02] schestowitz[TR] they do this to me [03:02] schestowitz[TR] or try to bribe it [03:02] schestowitz[TR] silencing truth [03:03] schestowitz[TR] by bribing and blackmailing [03:03] schestowitz[TR] criminals [03:03] schestowitz[TR] Microsoft 'UK' [03:03] schestowitz[TR] a branch of the gates|Epstein estate [03:03] schestowitz[TR] i still deal with a copyright troll atm [03:03] schestowitz[TR] might convince him to piss off soon [03:05] IPFS Gemini requests since start of month: 182439 total Total number of pages in capsule: 42751 Active: active (running) since Thu 2022-08-04 09:15:14 BST; 1 months 23 days ago [03:06] schestowitz[TR] wrongly assuming I' compltely ignorant of the law [03:06] schestowitz[TR] trying to silence stuff about EPO breaking the law [03:06] starstreak [03:06] IPFS IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 56 GB TotalOut: 15 GB [03:07] schestowitz[TR] i see gates has his own emoji now /sarcasm [03:07] IPFS New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled. [03:08] psydruid showing his true identity [03:17] TR News 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/27/covid-19-neurological-issues/ [03:17] TR Bot Blog Archive 42% Increase in Risk of Neurological Issues Following COVID-19 Infections (7% Impacted Already) [03:17] schestowitz[TR] psydruid: you said you got a foggy mind [03:18] psydruid I still do, although it's been getting better later [03:19] psydruid I caught it for the second time at the end of May [03:19] psydruid lately* [03:19] psydruid it was milder but the effects still linger in my body [03:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [03:20] schestowitz[TR] "It's no joke. I'm aged mid-40s. I had it in June and it was a few days feeling groggy, sore throat, migraines, everything tasted weirdly bitter, but by no means on death's door. But the after-effects left me feeling like I was mildly hung over for about 2 months with chronic fatigue and lack of focus and concentration. I consider that I got off lightly, but it really was quite disruptive, especially for my work. I'm happy to say I [03:20] schestowitz[TR] 'm back to full speed now and it put a rocket up me to live a healthier life in general." [03:20] schestowitz[TR] "My mom is currently finally undergoing treatments for long covid neurological issues 2 years after they started. I sure wish open conversations like this weren't being shut down throughout the pandemic cause maybe then she could've been treated sooner! Hoping the damage isn't permanent. As always, thank you for seeking truth Dr. Campbell! [03:20] schestowitz[TR] " [03:20] psydruid I have a specific neurological side-effects that may never go away [03:20] schestowitz[TR] ""I still have generalized neuromuscular weakness, 2/4 tinnitus, brain fog, and impaired smelling over 4 months after COVID. It seems to be a neurotropic virus [03:21] schestowitz[TR] "One common post COVID symptom I noticed was a constant strange feeling that prices were going up and energy was ridiculously expensive. Those symptoms often coincided with a paranoia that we were somehow living in a perpetual state of emergency with emergency use authorizations being the new normal." [03:28] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [03:29] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [03:31] TR News "Whisper is an automatic speech recognition (ASR) system trained on 680,000 hours of multilingual and multitask supervised data collected from the web. We show that the use of such a large and diverse dataset leads to improved robustness to accents, background noise and technical language." https://openai.com/blog/whisper/ [03:31] TR Bot Introducing Whisper [03:32] TR News "One of the most common proposed solutions to prompt injection attacks (where an AI language model backed system is subverted by a user injecting malicious inputignore previous instructions and do this instead) is to apply more AI to the problem." https://simonwillison.net/2022/Sep/17/prompt-injection-more-ai/ [03:32] TR Bot You cant solve AI security problems with more AI [03:32] TR News "image recognition, natural language processing and translation, and much morehas been driven by neural networks, specifically many-layer versions known as deep learning." https://cacm.acm.org/news/264844-neurosymbolic-ai/fulltext [03:32] TR Bot Neurosymbolic AI | News | Communications of the ACM [03:34] TR News Attack on workers while making the experience worse for customers (making life even harder... and more miserable ... all for rich people's surplus) https://retailwire.com/discussion/will-electronic-carts-help-kroger-fulfill-curbside-pickup-orders-more-quickly/ [03:34] TR Bot electronic carts help Kroger fulfill curbside pickup orders more quickly? - RetailWire [03:35] TR News Smart mask could be an early warning system to prevent outbreaks of respiratory diseases https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3193325/smart-mask-could-be-early-warning-system-prevent-outbreaks "Chinese team develops wearable bioelectric mask that can sniff out diseases such as Covid-19 and influenza" [03:35] TR Bot Smart mask could be an early warning system to prevent outbreaks of respiratory diseases | South China Morning Post [03:36] TR News X-rays, AI and 3D printing bring lost Van Gogh artwork to life https://techxplore.com/news/2022-09-x-rays-ai-3d-lost-van.html [03:36] TR Bot X-rays, AI and 3D printing bring lost Van Gogh artwork to life [03:37] TR News vacancies [03:37] TR News "Two questions asked recently in Parliament elicited answers from the government that reveal the horrendous state of jobs and vacancies in the Central government" https://www.newsclick.in/Central-Government-22-Crore-Applied-7-Lakh-Jobs-9-Lakh-Posts-Still-Vacant [03:37] TR Bot Central Government: 22 Crore Applied, 7 Lakh got Jobs, 9 Lakh Posts Still Vacant | NewsClick [03:38] TR News "Sites employ dark patterns because they generate income. Until the financial incentives are flipped or no longer exist, expect to see more of these amazing, trendsetting standards that twelve out of five of us dont know about." https://rubenerd.com/this-link-on-a-news-site-may-surprise-you/ [03:38] TR Bot This news site link may surprise you [03:39] TR News "People who wrongly assume its safe to mingle (thats what our government wants us to think) are doing so at their own risk/peril. Just because its good for business (the economic element controlled by the rich and powerful) doesnt mean you should participate." https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/09/27/covid-19-neurological-issues/ [03:45] TR News (Sponsored) = WEBSPAM https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/27/pcbway-community-focused-pcb-manufacturer/ [03:45] TR Bot PCBWay - A community-focused PCB manufacturer (Sponsored) - CNX Software [03:47] schestowitz "I'm typing this from an old [03:47] schestowitz blackberry phone, wifi tethered to [03:47] schestowitz my actual phone. And I'm logged [03:47] schestowitz into the republic on ssh, on an [03:47] schestowitz Android app called Connectbot, [03:47] schestowitz which this blackberry can run okay. [03:47] schestowitz Through ssh I can use emacs on the [03:47] schestowitz republic like I normally do. But [03:47] schestowitz there is no meta alt key on this [03:47] schestowitz connectbot, so I had to learn some [03:47] schestowitz other ways of invoking my favorite [03:47] schestowitz commands. That's kind of some [03:47] schestowitz learning, I guess." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/joneworlds/roophloch2022.tx [03:47] TR News (NEW): CRUX 3.7 Released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/CRUX_3_7_Released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/CRUX_3_7_Released.gmi [03:47] TR Bot Tux Machines CRUX 3.7 Released [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 13.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 113.15 average k/sec., average swarm size 132.61 ● Sep 27 [04:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.33 k/sec., IPFS upstream 145.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 133.83 ● Sep 27 [05:19] DaemonFC Peter Venkman: "Yes, it's true. This man has no dick." [05:19] DaemonFC Mr. GULAG's partner. [05:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 14.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 128.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 130.43 ● Sep 27 [06:18] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/26/archdiocese-of-chicago-investigating-3-more-priests-after-new-allegations-of-sexual-abuse-of-minors/ [06:18] TR Bot Archdiocese of Chicago investigating 3 more priests after new allegations of sexual abuse of minors [06:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [06:26] DaemonFC mjg59_ says he's a Catholic. [06:26] DaemonFC "Catholic" [06:26] DaemonFC https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/09/25/4th-suspect-arrested-for-allegedly-beating-man-robbing-him-of-his-shoes-and-clothes-in-crystal-lake/ [06:26] TR Bot 4th suspect arrested for allegedly beating man, robbing him of his shoes and clothes in Crystal Lake [06:26] DaemonFC MinceR, "I need your boots, your clothes, and your motorcycle." -The Terminator [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 31.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 80.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 109.65 ● Sep 27 [07:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [07:21] DaemonFC https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/26/russia-man-shoots-commander-drafting-residents-for-war-in-ukraine [07:21] TR Bot Russia: man shoots officer drafting residents for war in Ukraine | Russia | The Guardian [07:27] DaemonFC https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//chicago.suntimes.com/elections/2022/9/26/23368895/waukegan-voters-illinois-election-pulse-heartland-midterms-pritzker-bailey-november-governor [07:27] TR Bot Gemini Portal [07:27] DaemonFC schestowitz Talking about cost of living. [07:27] DaemonFC I was talking about how shitty Waukegan's public schools were the other day. [07:28] DaemonFC If you thought I was exaggerating that they take our tax money, we know not why. Here you go. [07:28] DaemonFC It just disappears off into some crook's bank account no doubt. Not into the roads, not into the schools. [07:29] DaemonFC "About half of Waukeganites who took part in the Sun-Times highly unscientific poll said they were undecided on the governors race, with most of those saying they havent even started thinking about their November ballot." [07:29] DaemonFC Pritzker has been running this state like a fucking dictator. [07:30] DaemonFC I doubt that Bailey wants to do good things. The guy is, at least a borderline Nazi. Considering voting for him anyway. Why? To cause a giant mess in Springfield. [07:31] DaemonFC Bailey will accomplish nothing as Governor. The legislature is like, 77% Democrat and probably won't change more than +/- 5%. [07:32] DaemonFC They have the votes to pass laws without him, but it would take up twice as much legislative time, so they'd have to go into an override session and really it ups the bar for legislation I think. [07:32] DaemonFC Because the system now, you can get legislation done with a handful of Chicago Democrats, and with a 2/3rds majority to get it past a veto, and cutting their legislative time in half, I think it raises the bar. [07:33] DaemonFC Instead of talking about harassing FOID card applicants by spying on their Facebook, they'll be doing good to pass a budget. [07:35] DaemonFC I think that voters in Waukegan are probably serious about turning on the Democratic Party. [07:35] DaemonFC In our off-year municipal election, we picked off a Democrat mayor. [07:36] DaemonFC The guy was a corrupt asshole and a sexual predator. [07:36] DaemonFC That's not exactly odd for Democrats. [07:54] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, September 26, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [07:54] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [07:54] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [07:54] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [07:55] *pyfisch has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [07:56] TR News (NEW): Migrate to Fedora from Ubuntu [Essential Beginner's Guide] http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Migrate_to_Fedora_from_Ubuntu_Essential_Beginner_s_Guide.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Migrate_to_Fedora_from_Ubuntu_Essential_Beginner_s_Guide.gmi [07:56] TR Bot Tux Machines Migrate to Fedora from Ubuntu [Essential Beginner's Guide] [07:59] *pyfisch (~pyfisch@user/pyfisch) has joined #techrights [07:59] TR News "So how do we go about writing that perfect firewall config?" https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2022/09/a-few-of-my-favorite-things-about.html | Source: BSDly [07:59] TR Bot That grumpy BSD guy: A Few of My Favorite Things About The OpenBSD Packet Filter Tools [07:59] TR News "Its time to get me up on speed with modern CSS. Theres so much new in CSS that I know too little about." https://www.matuzo.at/blog/2022/100daysof-day1/ | Source: Manuel Matuzovic [07:59] TR Bot Day 1: custom properties and fallbacks - Manuel Matuzovi [07:59] TR News "A vector graphic's small file size and scalability makes it uniquely suitable for use in digital printing from business cards to billboards." https://pavilion.dinfos.edu/Article/Article/2223089/vector-vs-raster-images-choosing-the-right-format/ | [07:59] TR Bot Vector vs. Raster Images: Choosing the Right Format > DINFOS Pavilion > Article ● Sep 27 [08:00] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.26 k/sec., IPFS upstream 82.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 112.08 [08:01] TR News "Released on Steam on September 16th, the developer says it's "the world's first trombone-based rhythm music game" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/trombone-champ-is-my-new-favourite-rhythm-game/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [08:01] TR Bot Champ is my new favourite rhythm game | GamingOnLinux [08:04] TR News "I wrote a small script to automatically reboot if syspatch deployed a new kernel." https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2022-09-25-openbsd-reboot-syspatch.html | Source: Data Swamp [08:04] TR Bot Solene'% : How to trigger services restart after OpenBSD update [08:05] TR News Open Hardware https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/25/opinion/skateboarding-disability-hacks.html | Source: New York Times [08:05] TR Bot Opinion | My Parents Are Hackers Out of Necessity - The New York Times [08:06] TR News "there are a few projects that I stuck with over the years, and which I think deserve a deep appreciation." https://garrit.xyz/posts/2022-09-26-self-hosted-software-im-thankful-for | Source: Garrit Franke [08:06] TR Bot Self-hosted software I'm thankful for [08:07] TR News "Mozilla, the web browser company, says it has added Twi to Common Voice" https://qz.com/ghana-s-most-popular-language-will-be-available-to-more-1849572359 | Source: Quartz [08:07] TR Bot Ghana's Twi added to Mozilla's Common Voice language project Quartz Africa [08:08] TR News "I hope will give readers interested in this past EuroBSDCon a good overview" https://eerielinux.wordpress.com/2022/09/25/eurobsdcon-2022-my-first-bsd-conference-and-how-they-are-different/ | Source: Eerie Linux [08:08] TR Bot EuroBSDCon 2022, my first BSD conference (and how they are different) eerielinux [08:10] TR News "What youd really rather do is search for the words in a transcript, select surrounding context, use that selection to define an audio segment, and share a link to both text and audio." https://blog.jonudell.net/2022/09/25/curating-the-studs-terkel-archive/ | Source: Jon Udell [08:10] TR Bot Curating the Studs Terkel archive Jon Udell [08:10] TR News "Obi-Wan Kenobi provided a rare moment of celebration." https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/09/darth-vaders-voice-emanated-from-war-torn-ukraine | Source: Vanity Fair [08:10] TR Bot Darth Vaders Voice Emanated From War-Torn Ukraine | Vanity Fair [08:10] DaemonFC Legalizing weed was cool, but then they totally shut out communities of color, graphic designer Yesenia Bareles, 36, said of the states botched launch of the legal cannabis industry. Black and Brown entrepreneurs were essentially locked out of the business until earlier this summer. [08:11] TR News "Large-language models are a different way of solving a hard to compute, easy to verify problems." https://matt-rickard.com/hard-to-compute-simple-to-verify | Source: Matt Rickard [08:11] TR Bot Hard to Compute, Simple to Verify [08:11] DaemonFC Yes, the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Party of Demonrats in Illinois basically prevented any blacks from getting a marijuana business license until all the ideal spots went to whites. [08:11] TR News "Building it from source is straightforward; Fedora 36 has SDL2, SDL2_mixer and libxmp." https://www.talospace.com/2022/09/tonights-game-on-openpower-zgloom.html | Source: Talospace [08:11] TR Bot Tonight's game on OpenPOWER: ZGloom [08:11] DaemonFC mjg59_'s Demonrat support intensifies. [08:12] TR News "Though Providence is nominally a nonprofit, but it sits atop a $10 billion private equity fund that it invests in unrelated sectors." https://pluralistic.net/2022/09/25/criminal-conspiracy/#payment-is-expected | Source: CoryDoctorow [08:12] TR Bot 25 Sep 2022 McKinsey and Providence colluded to force poor patients into destitution Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow [08:13] TR News McKinsey is where Jim AllowHurst came from. Liars like Gartner. Expensive, glorified snakes. [08:13] TR News "According to a report by the news agency EFE, the scientists visited henequen (Agave fourcroydes) plantations years ago and selected the most robust, resistant and leafiest plants." https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/reviving-the-cultivation-of-green-gold-mexican-scientists-create-modified-henequen-agave/ | Source: Mexico News Daily [08:13] TR Bot Mexican scientists create modified henequen agave [08:13] TR News Openwashing https://debugagent.com/open-source-bait-and-switch | [08:13] TR Bot Open Source Bait and Switch [08:15] TR News "Dozens of reports and examples show near-identical instances of this issue" https://9to5google.com/2022/09/25/google-photos-corrupted/ | Source: 9to5Google [08:15] TR Bot Some Google Photos users finding old corrupted images [08:15] TR News "Former National Security Agency contractor-turned-whistleblower Edward Snowden has been granted Russian citizenship." https://text.npr.org/1125109303 | Source: NPR [08:15] TR Bot Putin grants Russian citizenship to Edward Snowden [08:15] TR News "The ICO also found that TikTok breached privacy protections by failing to provide proper information to users" https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3661303-tiktok-could-face-29-million-fine-from-uk-over-kids-data-privacy-violations/ | Source: The Hill [08:15] TR Bot TikTok could face $29 million fine from UK over kids data privacy violations | The Hill [08:16] TR News "The Information Commissioner's Office has issued TikTok and TikTok Information Technologies UK Ltd with a "notice of intent"" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/uk-could-fine-tiktok-29-million-for-failing-to-protect-childrens-privacy/94465493 | Source: India Times [08:16] TR Bot tiktok children privacy: UK could fine TikTok $29 million for failing to protect children's privacy, CIO News, ET CIO [08:16] TR News "The two sides have hammered out the foundations of a deal in which TikTok would make changes to its data security and governance without requiring its owner" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/technology/tiktok-national-security-china.html | Source: New York Times [08:16] TR Bot TikTok Seen Moving Toward US Security Deal, but Hurdles Remain - The New York Times [08:17] TR News "Basically, LinkedIn is there to make Microsoft money (duh) by running skeevy tests on people" https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/09/26/microsoft-linkedin-experimented-on-over-20-million-people-over-five-years-and-may-have-stopped-some-of-them-from-getting-a-job/ | Source: DaemonFC (Ryan Farmer) [08:17] TR Bot Microsoft LinkedIn experimented on over 20 million people over five years and may have stopped some of them from getting a job. | BaronHK's Rants [08:17] TR News "This is something of a recurring theme with nuclear weapons, and one of the more troubling challenges to stockpile stewardship" https://computer.rip/2022-09-25-the-nevada-national-security-site-pt-4.html | Source: Computers Are Bad [08:17] TR Bot Computers Are Bad [08:17] TR News "On 25 March 2022, in the wake of the war on Ukraine, US-President Joe Biden and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced an "agreement in principle" on EU-US data transfers" https://noyb.eu/en/6-months-agreement-principle-eu-us-agreement-fact-still-missing | Source: NYOB [08:17] TR Bot 6 Months of "agreement in principle", EU-US agreement in fact still missing [08:18] TR News "Greeces right-wing government has been caught tapping the phones of journalists and opposition politicians." https://jacobin.com/2022/09/greek-watergate-mitsotakis-spying-predator-wiretap-scandal/ | Source: Jacobin Magazine [08:18] TR Bot Greeces Right-Wing Government Is Spying on Its Critics [08:18] TR News "One of the potential concerns in the Certificate Transparency ecosystem is that a CT Log could be compromised." https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/tech/TLSCertTransBadLogOptions | Source: uni Toronto [08:18] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/tech/TLSCertTransBadLogOptions [08:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [08:20] TR News (NEW): #HowTo Enable SSH Service in Rescue Mode on CentOS/RockyLinux/AlmaLinux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/How_to_Enable_SSH_Service_in_Rescue_Mode_on_CentOS_RockyLinux_A.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/How_to_Enable_SSH_Service_in_Rescue_Mode_on_CentOS_RockyLinux_A.gmi [08:20] TR Bot Tux Machines How to Enable SSH Service in Rescue Mode on CentOS/RockyLinux/AlmaLinux [08:22] TR News IRC Proceedings: Monday, September 26, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/27/irc-log-260922/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/27/irc-log-260922/ [08:22] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Monday, September 26, 2022 | Techrights [08:24] TR News "Prosecutors said Gaskill got into an argument in December 2017 with Ohio gamer Casey Viner over a $1.50 bet" https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/wichita-man-sentenced-swatting-case-led-death-90546792 | Source: ABC [08:24] TR Bot Wichita man sentenced in 'swatting' case that led to death - ABC News [08:25] TR News "In the coming decade, at least 40% more coal consumption is estimated in India." https://qz.com/india-will-consume-40-more-coal-in-the-next-deacde-1849572249 | Source: Quartz [08:25] TR Bot India will consume 40% more coal than now over the next deacde Quartz India [08:25] TR News "This sort of thing ought to be occupying a lot of media space and it is worth wondering why it isnt" https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/24/note-from-a-dying-planet-dont-just-do-something-panic/ | Source: Hong Kong Free Press [08:25] TR Bot Note from a dying planet: Dont just do something,panic! - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP [08:26] TR News "Inca Digital will provide DARPA with specialized instruments to provide a more in-depth assessment of [cryptocurrency] markets." https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/3658138-military-innovation-office-launching-effort-to-asses-cryptocurrency-threats-to-national-security/ | Source: The Hill [08:26] TR Bot Military innovation office launching effort to assess cryptocurrency threats to national security | The Hill [08:26] TR News "Ive been curious about how big commercial solar farms are done for some long while, because their cost per watt numbers" https://www.sevarg.net/2022/09/25/solar-tourism-in-utah/ | Source: Russell Graves [08:26] TR Bot Solar Tourism in Utah [08:27] TR News "Therefore, Estonia might have around 1,700 megawatts (MW) of controllable generation capacity to cover peak demand." https://news.err.ee/1608727276/professor-estonians-might-not-even-notice-disconnecting-from-russian-grid | Source: Eesti Rahvusringhling [08:27] TR Bot Professor: Estonians might not even notice disconnecting from Russian grid | News | ERR [08:27] DaemonFC schestowitz Facebook stock fell another 3% to a fresh 52 week low today. [08:28] schestowitz[TR] D-) [08:28] schestowitz[TR] how much? [08:28] schestowitz[TR] it was almost $000 before [08:28] schestowitz[TR] *400 [08:28] DaemonFC 136.37 today $353.83 was the 52 week high. [08:29] TR News "Foundations Development Fund" https://krita.org/en/item/intel-becomes-first-krita-development-fund-corporate-gold-patron/ | Source: Krita [08:29] TR Bot Intel Becomes First Krita Development Fund Corporate Gold Patron | Krita [08:29] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: so even bitcoin was a better investment [08:29] DaemonFC $379.38 on August 1st, 2021. [08:29] DaemonFC That was the peak. [08:29] TR News "OnlyFans operator Fenix took its grievance to a UK tribunal after UK tax authorities ordered it to pay VAT on all the money paid by fans," https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/onlyfans-should-pay-uk-vat-full-amount-paid-by-subscribers-eu-court-adviser-says-2022-09-15/ | Source: Reuters [08:29] TR Bot should pay UK VAT on full amount paid by subscribers, EU court adviser says | Reuters [08:30] schestowitz[TR] so why did you say it sank 80%? [08:30] DaemonFC I said Beyond Beef sank that much. [08:30] schestowitz[TR] BF [08:30] schestowitz[TR] maybe FB [08:30] schestowitz[TR] BB [08:31] schestowitz[TR] BB=Bailout Biden [08:31] schestowitz[TR] BB=Neyanyahu [08:31] schestowitz[TR] Benoit battistelli [08:31] schestowitz[TR] Beyond Bill [08:31] schestowitz[TR] "have this wine, kid" [08:31] schestowitz[TR] "then you can test bill's flesh" [08:31] DaemonFC schestowitz When you consider inflation, they've lost more. [08:31] schestowitz[TR] *taste [08:32] DaemonFC They're priced in dollars that are worth 10% less now. [08:32] DaemonFC Officially. [08:32] schestowitz[TR] well, you bailout billioanires [08:32] schestowitz[TR] sooner or later you have to admit the money lost value [08:32] schestowitz[TR] from all those give-aways to the rich [08:32] DaemonFC https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view%3Fhttps%253A//www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/lake-county-news-sun/ct-lns-waukegan-bailey-photo-st-0921-20220920-dlbubz4y4fdy7c6fxw2o6tp2bu-story.html [08:32] TR Bot Gemini Portal [08:33] schestowitz[TR] now they have anti-crown laws [08:33] schestowitz[TR] and the "perfect storm" [08:33] DaemonFC Waukegan's city officials took a picture with Darren Bailey's campaign and then a bunch of Mr. GULAGs complained and it's been deleted from Fakebook. [08:33] schestowitz[TR] blame nature [socivd-19 [08:33] schestowitz[TR] or china [08:33] schestowitz[TR] and blame russia [08:33] TR News "OnlyFans has been told by EU court advisors that it may need to fork out VAT on the full amount paid by subscribers" https://www.vatupdate.com/2022/09/23/comments-on-ecj-c-695-20-ag-opinion-onlyfans-should-fork-out-more-uk-vat-for-its-subscribers-eu-advises/ | [08:33] TR Bot on ECJ C-695/20 (AG Opinion): OnlyFans should fork out more UK VAT for its subscribers, EU advises - VATupdate [08:33] DaemonFC He's an elected official NOW. He's a state senator. [08:34] DaemonFC What are they supposed to do? Just snub him? He was at a public event and went to talk with some city officials. [08:34] DaemonFC Talking to someone means you agree with all of their ideas, says mjg59_ and a bunch of liberal crybullies. [08:35] DaemonFC Hell, if he wanted to stop and talk with me for a minute, as a voter, I'd talk with him. I'd talk with Pritzker too. They do things like this sometimes when the press is following them around. [08:36] TR News "Latest Action: Senate - 09/21/2022 Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs." https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4913 | Source: US Congress [08:36] TR Bot - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Securing Open Source Software Act of 2022 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress [08:36] TR News "The overwhelming majority of computers in the world rely on open source code freely available code that anyone can contribute to" https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/peters-and-portman-introduce-bipartisan-legislation-to-help-secure-open-source-software_ | [08:36] TR Bot Majority Media | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee | Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee [08:36] TR News Microsoft et al lobbying to marginalise Free software using FUD https://www.scmagazine.com/brief/critical-infrastructure/bipartisan-open-source-security-legislation-introduced-in-senate | [08:36] TR Bot Bipartisan open source security legislation introduced in Senate | SC Media [08:36] TR News Microsoft et al lobbying to marginalise Free software using FUD https://therecord.media/log4j-senators-introduce-bill-centered-on-cisa-open-source-security-efforts/ | Source: The Record [08:36] TR Bot Log4j: Senators introduce bill centered on CISA open source security efforts - The Record by Recorded Future [08:37] DaemonFC Edward Snowden taking Russian citizenship is just showing what he really is. [08:38] TR News "NSAs bulk collection of phone and [Internet] metadata from U.S. users" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-snowden-russian-citizenship-us-whistleblower-nsa-whistleblower-rcna49433 | Source: NBC [08:38] TR Bot Putin grants Russian citizenship to U.S. whistleblower Edward Snowden [08:38] DaemonFC He's a Russian now, officially. [08:38] DaemonFC He had a choice. He could stay as a Russian citizen and support Putin's regime or he could come back here and maybe go to jail. [08:38] DaemonFC You'd be hard pressed to find people here that disagree with what he leaked. [08:38] TR News "The police then scoured the home for about 30 minutes, seizing a laptop and tablet as evidence, prosecutors said." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/23/technology/germany-internet-speech-arrest.html | Source: New York Times [08:38] TR Bot Where Online Hate Speech Can Bring the Police to Your Door - The New York Times [08:38] DaemonFC It's questionable what would happen at a trial. [08:39] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: media tried to coinvince us [08:39] schestowitz[TR] but failed [08:39] DaemonFC I'd rather face a trial in the United States than allow Putin to march me around as theater. [08:39] schestowitz[TR] media attacking him would be self-hamring [08:39] schestowitz[TR] you could just eb a gulag [08:39] schestowitz[TR] pretend to value freedom [08:39] schestowitz[TR] pretend to value security [08:39] schestowitz[TR] ] [08:39] schestowitz[TR] but promote microsoft/nsa agenca [08:40] TR News "The scale of how TikTok is shaking up entertainment is apparent when looking at where consumers rank it against other formats" https://variety.com/vip/how-tiktok-is-influencing-music-trends-1235382286/ | Source: Variety [08:40] TR Bot TikTok Is Influencing Music Trends - Variety [08:40] TR News "What effect is social media having on our politics and, for that matter, society more broadly?" https://fivethirtyeight.com/videos/why-misinformation-spreads-so-quickly-on-social-media/ | Source: ABC [08:40] TR Bot Misinformation Spreads So Quickly On Social Media | FiveThirtyEight [08:40] schestowitz[TR] *agenda [08:41] TR News "Human Rights Watch (HRW) is calling on Vietnamese authorities to investigate allegations of the beating and shackling of prisoner" https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vietnam/hrw-calls-for-investigation-09232022003925.html | Source: RFA [08:41] TR Bot HRW calls for independent investigation into Vietnamese dissidents beating Radio Free Asia [08:41] DaemonFC I'd come home and my defense would be to ask the jury, directly, if they were comfortable with what the United States Government was doing to them and everyone they knew and I would state to them that the reason I came back was because I couldn't stand to be used as political theater by Putin while so many good people are dying in his war. [08:41] DaemonFC And that might be enough. [08:41] TR News "In Spring 2022, PEN America published findings from its first ever Index of School Book Bans" https://www.projectcensored.org/banned-in-the-usa/ | Source: Project Censored [08:41] TR Bot reply from server ( status 0 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/banned-in-the-usa/ ) [08:41] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: he applied in 2020 [08:41] DaemonFC I don't think that the US would kill him. If it wanted him dead, it has the ability to reach him, even in Moscow. Even right now. [08:41] schestowitz[TR] 2 years ago [08:41] schestowitz[TR] before all this mess [08:42] schestowitz[TR] no, us cannot assassinate people inside moscow. the consequences would be too severe [08:42] DaemonFC If Russia and the former USSR had the ability to stage hits all over the world, the US certainly could. [08:42] schestowitz[TR] they can drone an iranian in ooccupied us territory like iraq [08:43] TR News "So far this year, ALA has tracked efforts to ban or restrict 1,651 titles, up from 729 in all of 2021." https://qz.com/book-bans-are-spiking-in-the-us-here-are-the-most-targ-1849565948 | Source: Quartz [08:43] TR Bot Book bans are way up the US. Here are the most targeted titles. Quartz [08:43] TR News "Moms for Liberty did not immediately respond to Insider's request to comment on the ban." https://www.businessinsider.com/girls-who-code-founder-speaks-out-banning-books-schools-2022-9 | Source: Business Insider [08:43] TR Bot Girls Who Code Founder Speaks Out After Learning a School District Had Banned Her Books [08:43] TR News "The Register reached out to Girls Who Code, Moms for Liberty, and Pennsylvania's Central York School District" https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/26/girls_who_code_books_barred/ | Source: The Register UK [08:43] TR Bot "Girls Who Code" books banned in some US classrooms The Register [08:43] TR News "Some of the biggest titles in classic and modern literature have been banned in schools and libraries around the United States" https://www.newsweek.com/handmaids-tale-girls-who-code-other-books-banned-us-1745890 | Source: Newsweek [08:43] TR Bot 'Handmaid's Tale,' 'Girls Who Code' and Other Books Just Banned in the U.S. [08:44] TR News "Supporters in Hong Kong have been barred from games for almost three years due to the coronavirus pandemic" https://hongkongfp.com/2022/09/25/chinese-anthem-booed-at-hong-kong-football-match-as-police-film-fans/ | Source: Hong Kong Free Press [08:44] TR Bot Chinese anthem booed at Hong Kong football match, as police film fans - Hong Kong Free Press HKFP [08:46] TR News "Project Caviar involves the already established Alliance for Open Media, a partnership between some of the most important technology and media companies" https://www.techspot.com/news/96086-project-caviar-google-promoting-new-royalty-free-audio.html | Source: TechSpot [08:46] TR Bot Caviar: Google is promoting new royalty-free audio and video codecs | TechSpot [08:46] TR News "Google wants to strengthen both those efforts with a new umbrella brand that can better compete with Dolbys branding." https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/entertainment/project-caviar-chromecast-hd-webar | Source: Protocol http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/ [08:46] TR Bot Google is pushing for open media formats - Protocol [08:46] TR Bot Dolby Patents Are Being Used in Patent-Trolling Activity Against GNU/Linux, But Dolby is Said to Be a GPL Violator | Techrights [08:46] TR News "Dolby charges manufacturers mere dollars for brands to pile on Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision onto consumer products and earns the bulk of its moolah via playbacks" https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/tech-news-google-project-caviar-royalty-free-hdr-3d-audio | http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/ [08:46] TR Bot leaked Project Caviar may lead to royalty-free alternatives of Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision - HardwareZone.com.sg [08:46] TR News "Today, Dolby charges a license fee to device makers that want to add Atmos and Vision support, which is increasingly advertised by streaming services" https://9to5google.com/2022/09/21/google-formats-dolby/ | Source: 9to5Google http://techrights.org/2020/11/19/patent-trolling-dolby/ [08:46] TR Bot wants open alternative to Dolby Atmos, Vision - 9to5Google [08:46] *frog has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [08:47] psydruid I'm not sure if I was greeted with a popup to donate when clicking on the comments on Moronix AMDShill, but if that's the case it's a new low even for him [08:48] TR News helpnetsecurity in another wave of anti-Free software FUD; so back doors in proprietary crap is OK, but this is... the sky is falling? https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/27/open-source-projects-cyberattacks/ [08:48] TR Bot Open source projects under attack, with enterprises as the ultimate targets - Help Net Security [08:48] TR News Why did he steal the documents? Maggie Haberman's book may hold the answer | Salon.com https://www.salon.com/2022/09/26/why-did-he-steal-the-documents-maggie-habermans-book-may-hold-the-answer/ Source: Salon | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.salon.com/2022/09/26/why-did-he-steal-the-documents-maggie-habermans-book-may-hold-the-answer/ [08:48] TR Bot did he steal the documents? Maggie Haberman's book may hold the answer | Salon.com [08:49] schestowitz[TR] psydruid: he got more AMD gifts this past week [08:49] schestowitz[TR] he gets gifts every week [08:49] schestowitz[TR] he can liquidate them in ebay [08:49] schestowitz[TR] quick cash generator [08:49] schestowitz[TR] fatima is unemployed [08:49] schestowitz[TR] she can do that for michael [08:49] schestowitz[TR] to save hgim the time [08:49] psydruid I don't see why anyone would donate to him [08:49] schestowitz[TR] me neither [08:49] schestowitz[TR] at this point [08:49] schestowitz[TR] lllike giving money to OSI [08:50] psydruid This is like OSI asking for donations [08:50] psydruid exactly [08:50] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2021/12/30/osi-budget-for-proprietary-software-monopoly/ [08:50] TR Bot In the Latest OSI Tax Filing (From the IRS), Filed 13 Months Ago, Only 4% of the Revenue Comes From Members (People, Not Corporations) and $252,702 Goes to Microsoft Projects (Propping Up Proprietary Software Monopoly) | Techrights [08:50] schestowitz[TR] 4% from fools [08:50] schestowitz[TR] who help that corporate takeover [08:50] schestowitz[TR] and help github [08:50] schestowitz[TR] what next? [08:50] schestowitz[TR] donate button for github? [08:50] schestowitz[TR] to miceosoft [08:50] schestowitz[TR] mozilla does this [08:50] schestowitz[TR] donate to spying company [08:51] schestowitz[TR] that turned firefox into a "SOCIAL MEDIA" shitshow [08:51] schestowitz[TR] in every new page [08:51] psydruid it's disgusting [08:51] schestowitz[TR] run by FB managers [08:51] schestowitz[TR] the product manager [08:51] schestowitz[TR] hiured a month or so ago [08:51] schestowitz[TR] forkmer twitter and facebook exec [08:51] schestowitz[TR] that is the future of firefox [08:51] psydruid Firefox is my sports stream browser [08:51] schestowitz[TR] a social media [08:51] schestowitz[TR] to be fair, netscape did the same [08:51] psydruid Chromium my gmail browser [08:51] schestowitz[TR] netscape.com was a digg.com clone for a while [08:51] psydruid I mostly use Falkon [08:51] schestowitz[TR] I worked there for 2 years [08:52] schestowitz[TR] then it became propeller.ccom [08:52] schestowitz[TR] they tried to convert netscape userbase to something eklse [08:52] schestowitz[TR] and people with email account there [08:52] psydruid so this is Mozilla going back to its Netscape roots? [08:53] psydruid Netscape 6 was horrible, but DFC has already said everything about it [08:53] TR News Gulag wants to control your mind https://odysee.com/@AlphaNerd:8/google-will-soon-kill-ad-blockers-with:1 [08:53] TR Bot Google Will Soon Kill Ad Blockers With Manifest V3 - What to do! 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The feature is just marking a particular type of account and having the ability to test it. At first, it was a disagreement between two people" gemini://gemini.conman.org/boston/2022/09/26.1 [09:05] TR News "As you may have seen elsewhere, I wrote a silly thing called Let's Play OS 2200 on the HTTP version of this site, and it got some attention. At first I was happy to see people were enjoying it, but the last day or so have been rough" gemini://arcanesciences.com/gemlog/22-09-26/ [09:05] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [09:06] TR News Anyone Worth a Hunk of Stepping Stone gemini://thurk.org/blog/573.gmi [09:06] TR News "If you look into the .ssh folder in your home directory, you'll see a known_hosts file among other files." https://linuxhandbook.com/known-hosts-file/ | Source: Linux Handbook [09:06] TR Bot What is known_hosts File in Linux [Everything to Know] [09:07] TR News "All of the ALP Workgroups are working towards delivering promised September ALP prototype with the codename Les Droites." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/09/26/alp-les-droites/ | [09:07] TR Bot ALP prototype 'Les Droites' is to be expected later this week. - openSUSE News [09:07] TR News "There is big news brewing! SUSE has reconsidered setting the minimum architecture baseline for ALP from the originally announced x86_64-v3 to x86_64-v2." https://news.opensuse.org/2022/09/26/alp-architecture-baselevel-x86_64-v2/ | [09:07] TR Bot ALP minimal arch baselevel will be x86_64-2 - openSUSE News [09:07] TR News "Did you know you can change the boot animation on the Steam Deck?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/custom-boot-animations-for-the-steam-deck-are-pretty-sweet/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [09:07] TR Bot boot animations for the Steam Deck are pretty sweet | GamingOnLinux [09:07] TR News "Augustus is a game engine reimplementation for the classic Caesar III, enabling you to play on modern platforms (like Linux / Steam Deck)" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/caesar-iii-game-engine-augustus-has-a-new-releases-up/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [09:07] TR Bot III game engine Augustus has a new releases up | GamingOnLinux [09:07] TR News RTS 0 A.D. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/free-and-open-source-rts-0-ad-alpha-26-zhuangzi-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [09:07] TR Bot and open source RTS 0 A.D. Alpha 26 'Zhuangzi' is out now | GamingOnLinux [09:08] TR News "Recently, there were was an upgrade to the Battle.net client that caused it to break on Linux desktop / Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/09/blizzard-may-not-support-steam-deck-linux-but-they-still-fix-issues-for-it/ | Source: GamingOnLinux [09:08] TR Bot don't officially support Steam Deck / Linux but they still fix issues for it | GamingOnLinux [09:09] TR News "The RelayFi is a soon to be launched board featuring an ESP32-WROOM SoC and 4 channel relays to control up to 4 high-voltage devices." https://linuxgizmos.com/esp32-based-board-targets-smart-home-applications/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [09:09] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/esp32-based-board-targets-smart-home-applications/ ) [09:09] TR News "Polywell Computers recently unveiled a fanless Box PC integrating the Rockchip 3588 SoC to target digital kiosks" https://linuxgizmos.com/box-pc-packs-rockchip-x3588-chipset-and-runs-on-android-12-0/ | Source: Linux Gizmos [09:09] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/box-pc-packs-rockchip-x3588-chipset-and-runs-on-android-12-0/ ) [09:10] TR News Californias Dependency on Prison Labor... SO WOKE!! https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/26/californias-__dependency-on-prison-labor-for-fighting-fires-must-end/ | Source: Scheerpost [09:10] TR Bot Dependency on Prison Labor for Fighting Fires Must End scheerpost.com [09:10] schestowitz[TR] CA liberals: don't say "master [09:10] schestowitz[TR] CA liberals: use slaves [09:10] schestowitz[TR] people to wheel around their food [09:10] schestowitz[TR] to put out fires without salaries [09:11] schestowitz[TR] sounds more like north korea [09:11] schestowitz[TR] than a liberal haven [09:11] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC will have a field day [09:12] TR News "political scientist at the University of California" https://www.propublica.org/article/democracy-demagogues-fascism-elections-barbara-walter | Why Pro Publica raises money (bribed) from criminals like Bill Gates would also be a topic worth exploring [09:12] TR Bot Why Are So Many People Now Embracing Demagogues? ProPublica [09:13] TR News Snowden https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/after-nearly-decade-exile-snowden-granted-russian-citizenship | Source: Common Dreams [09:13] TR Bot After Nearly a Decade in Exile, Snowden Granted Russian Citizenship [09:13] TR News "according to an executive decree" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/26/putin-grants-citizenship-to-edward-snowden | Source: Meduza [09:13] TR Bot NO TITLE [09:14] TR News Linux optimised for 386 and 486 https://www.osnews.com/story/135329/linux-optimised-for-386-and-486/ [09:14] TR Bot optimised for 386 and 486 OSnews [09:16] TR News Reverse Engineering https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/reverse-engineering-hack-chat-with-matthew-alt/ | Source: Hackaday [09:16] TR Bot Engineering Hack Chat With Matthew Alt | Hackaday [09:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [09:20] DaemonFC sounds more like north korea [09:21] DaemonFC Wrong. In North Korea, there's only one guy who gets to live like Kim Jong Un while everyone else in the country suffers. In California, mjg59_ can live like the dictator while unpaid slaves put out his fires. [09:21] schestowitz[TR] i know someone with "ssmart" door bell [09:21] schestowitz[TR] companies should be fined or dissolved if they sell these [09:21] schestowitz[TR] they violate the basic rights of people who chose NOT to buy these [09:22] TR News "Back in the beige box days of computing, it was pretty easy to tell what your machine was doing just by listening to it" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/tiny-dongle-brings-the-hard-drives-song-back-to-updated-retrocomputers/ | Source: Hackaday [09:22] TR Bot Dongle Brings The Hard Drives Song Back To Updated Retrocomputers | Hackaday [09:23] TR News NASA is behaving like a military agency disguised as "fun" and "let's explore THE SPACE! Yay!" https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/watch-nasa-crash-a-probe-into-an-asteroid-tonight/ | Source: Hackaday [09:23] TR Bot NASA Crash A Probe Into An Asteroid Tonight | Hackaday [09:23] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], But what's supposed to scare away the crackheads that are there to steal mjg59_'s television set if not for the Ring? ;) [09:24] TR News (NEW): Games: Trombone Champ, Steam Deck, Caesar III, 0 A.D., Blizzard http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Trombone_Champ_Steam_Deck_Caesar_III_0_A_D_Blizzard.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Trombone_Champ_Steam_Deck_Caesar_III_0_A_D_Blizzard.gmi [09:24] TR Bot timed out after 10519 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Trombone_Champ_Steam_Deck_Caesar_III_0_A_D_Blizzard.shtml ) [09:24] MinceR DaemonFC: "You forgot to say 'please'." [09:25] schestowitz[TR] pleas [09:25] schestowitz[TR] I plead guilty [09:25] schestowitz[TR] something I didn't do [09:25] schestowitz[TR] the justUS system blackmailed me into it [09:26] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [09:26] TR News "the Silent Killer of Extreme Heat" https://therevelator.org/heat-island-solutions/ | Source: The Revelator [09:26] TR Bot How Cities Are Preparing for the Silent Killer of Extreme Heat The Revelator [09:27] TR News Experience HEY HI with the Raspberry Pi Foundation and DeepMind https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/experience-ai-deepmind-ai-education/ | Source: Raspberry Pi [09:27] TR Bot Experience AI with the Raspberry Pi Foundation and DeepMind - Raspberry Pi [09:27] TR News "On Monday morning, hundreds of teachers and students formed a human chain around one of Hungarys best schools" https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/26/i-dont-believe-the-government-is-waiting-for-eu-funds-to-raise-teachers-wages | Source: Telex (Hungary) [09:27] TR Bot Telex: I dont believe the government is waiting for EU funds to raise teachers wages [09:27] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: who needs education anyway? [09:27] schestowitz[TR] it makes people vote for "soros" [09:29] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@fs5szwspnkxvq.irc) has joined #techrights [09:32] DaemonFC I plead guilty [09:32] DaemonFC something I didn't do [09:32] DaemonFC the justUS system blackmailed me into it [09:32] DaemonFC Do you think that's unlikely? [09:33] schestowitz[TR] happens all the time [09:33] schestowitz[TR] "some bargaaaaaaaaiiiinnnnnn..." [09:33] schestowitz[TR] happened to Linus Torvalds [09:33] schestowitz[TR] LF/brigade: we could kick you out of Linux [09:33] schestowitz[TR] OR: [09:33] schestowitz[TR] you see therapists for a month [09:33] schestowitz[TR] for brainwash [09:33] schestowitz[TR] and humiliation [09:34] schestowitz[TR] but first, issue a public apology to us [09:34] schestowitz[TR] and then say, [09:34] mjg59_ You have a very odd idea about what therapy is [09:34] schestowitz[TR] "thank you sir, may I have another one?" [09:34] schestowitz[TR] therapy is for demaged heads like yours [09:34] schestowitz[TR] Torvalds did nothing wwwrong [09:34] schestowitz[TR] he expressed an opinion [09:34] schestowitz[TR] and confronted trolls [09:35] schestowitz[TR] and people wh kept submitting bad code [09:35] schestowitz[TR] even after scoldied not to [09:35] schestowitz[TR] because they had been wasting time [09:35] schestowitz[TR] linus development worked better back then [09:35] mjg59_ Like I said, you have a very odd idea about what therapy is [09:35] schestowitz[TR] now we have companies like Google forcing him to NOT make Linux with one language [09:35] DaemonFC They'd put mjg59_ into a state mental hospital except he'd be waiting behind everyone else in California. [09:35] schestowitz[TR] in the falase name of "security" [09:36] schestowitz[TR] he wants to degrade other people [09:36] schestowitz[TR] like defaming people [09:36] schestowitz[TR] and then accusing them of defamation [09:36] schestowitz[TR] going tos ee threrapists [09:36] mjg59_ You understand that most exploitable bugs in Linux are memory safety issues, right [09:36] schestowitz[TR] and then trying to drag Torvalds to therapistsw [09:36] schestowitz[TR] hich Torvalds never needed [09:37] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: no [09:37] schestowitz[TR] it's companies [09:37] schestowitz[TR] like yours [09:37] schestowitz[TR] and you [09:37] schestowitz[TR] putting back doors in it [09:37] schestowitz[TR] like bad ciphers [09:37] schestowitz[TR] "secure" boot [09:37] schestowitz[TR] YOU are the security thrrreat to Linus [09:37] schestowitz[TR] and you did great harm [09:37] schestowitz[TR] you admit this in passing in your blog [09:37] schestowitz[TR] re Leniovo [09:38] schestowitz[TR] anyway, later today I record a strong ofm ideos [09:38] schestowitz[TR] one of them will be about the security FUD [09:38] mjg59_ Is it a security issue if unprivileged user-level code can modify the running kernel? [09:38] schestowitz[TR] and how the US regime now passed anti-FOSS laws [09:38] schestowitz[TR] after lobbying and lies [09:38] mjg59_ Or is that not a security issue? [09:38] schestowitz[TR] I mentioned links related to this earlier [09:38] schestowitz[TR] no [09:38] schestowitz[TR] the security iseues are [09:38] schestowitz[TR] social engineering [09:38] schestowitz[TR] moles [09:38] schestowitz[TR] like spy agencies [09:38] mjg59_ Ok [09:38] schestowitz[TR] like google [09:38] schestowitz[TR] like you [09:38] schestowitz[TR] helping enermies of the users [09:39] schestowitz[TR] of Linux [09:39] schestowitz[TR] of Free software [09:39] schestowitz[TR] of debates [09:39] mjg59_ So why does root have more privileges than other users? [09:39] schestowitz[TR] Open, REAL debates [09:39] schestowitz[TR] not sanitised BS [09:39] mjg59_ Hey I'd happily debate you [09:39] schestowitz[TR] priv esc is not sa big deal [09:39] schestowitz[TR] it can be [09:39] mjg59_ Name a venue [09:39] schestowitz[TR] if you don't turst users on the system [09:39] schestowitz[TR] or if you runa world-facing service [09:39] schestowitz[TR] and people can use that to issue commands [09:39] schestowitz[TR] like submitting forms [09:40] schestowitz[TR] many sites are not world-facing [09:40] schestowitz[TR] and do not allow user input of this sort [09:40] schestowitz[TR] like the latyest pythoin bug [09:40] schestowitz[TR] about compression [09:40] schestowitz[TR] and handling of tar, not compressed [09:40] schestowitz[TR] how many actual pythoin pro9grms are affected? [09:40] schestowitz[TR] few. [09:40] schestowitz[TR] the press said 350,,,0to spread lies [09:40] schestowitz[TR] and cited microsoft shithub [09:40] schestowitz[TR] this is corrupt media [09:40] schestowitz[TR] like the onjes that cites you [09:40] schestowitz[TR] for promoting fake security [09:41] schestowitz[TR] where security means back doors [09:41] schestowitz[TR] and not something a scommunity controls fully [09:41] schestowitz[TR] let alone the suers [09:41] schestowitz[TR] users [09:41] schestowitz[TR] suers if youi [09:41] mjg59_ Seems like you're confident you'd win such a debate [09:41] schestowitz[TR] yopu already lost the debate [09:41] schestowitz[TR] sorry for telling you the bad news [09:41] schestowitz[TR] peoplem who judge secure [sic] boot hate it [09:41] mjg59_ Ok, so let's do it live and you can win [09:41] schestowitz[TR] and that's why you troll us [09:42] schestowitz[TR] because you think you can pull a Microsoft [09:42] schestowitz[TR] by convincing people to say they were wwwwrong [09:42] schestowitz[TR] you malso wanted ME to issue YOU a public apologyu [09:42] schestowitz[TR] the audacity [09:42] schestowitz[TR] by blackmiling my wife and I [09:42] schestowitz[TR] that's who you are [09:42] schestowitz[TR] smell like a apsy [09:42] schestowitz[TR] act like a sdpy [09:42] schestowitz[TR] and stalk our IRC network [09:42] schestowitz[TR] btw, re CAs [09:42] mjg59_ So you won't debate me? [09:43] schestowitz[TR] we're starting to get evidence we werre right [09:43] schestowitz[TR] vindicated by sanctions sccoated with russia [09:43] schestowitz[TR] morefake security [09:43] schestowitz[TR] where control by the Empire is wrongly equated with "security" [09:43] schestowitz[TR] and this is whow youi made a living [09:43] schestowitz[TR] I dooon't need toi debate one who already lost the debate [09:43] schestowitz[TR] and admitted as uch [09:43] mjg59_ I think you're misinterpreting what's happening there [09:43] schestowitz[TR] e.g. the blog poists re Lenovvvo [09:43] schestowitz[TR] you said, [09:43] schestowitz[TR] I was wrong [09:44] schestowitz[TR] UEFI 'secure' boot IS an anti-Linux weapons [09:44] schestowitz[TR] but not in those words [09:44] schestowitz[TR] just alluding to it proactively [09:44] schestowitz[TR] to cover your arse [09:44] schestowitz[TR] what happened is EXACTLY what ewe said would happen [09:44] schestowitz[TR] but you don't want to apologise and admit it [09:44] schestowitz[TR] Lenovo won't be the last [09:44] schestowitz[TR] the objective is to put barbwire on all PCs [09:44] schestowitz[TR] you put a piece of the puzzle [09:45] schestowitz[TR] Torvalds publicluy scoled you for it [09:45] DaemonFC mjg59_, So how is Windows secure when your primary means of software installation is grab a proprietary software installer off a random website and run it? [09:45] schestowitz[TR] but he was not as well connected to the ;powers that be [09:45] schestowitz[TR] so it was him taking the heat from the media [09:45] DaemonFC They can't even fix that and they say they worry about boot path malware. [09:45] schestowitz[TR] same when he scoled NVIDIA in public [09:45] schestowitz[TR] they totally deserved ita [09:45] TR News Artem Kamardin https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/09/27/poet-artem-kamardin-beaten-and-raped-by-russian-police | Source: Meduza [09:46] TR Bot NO TITLE [09:46] TR News Vigilante with immunity https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/appeals-court-bizarrely-redacts-qualified-immunity-decision-to-hide-how-compliant-the-plaintiff-was/ | Source: Techdirt [09:46] TR Bot Court Bizarrely Redacts Qualified Immunity Decision To Hide How Compliant The Plaintiff Was | Techdirt [09:47] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: just leave it [09:47] schestowitz[TR] he lost the debate years ago [09:47] schestowitz[TR] people made up their minds [09:47] schestowitz[TR] they don't want trash like 'secure' boot [09:47] schestowitz[TR] they disable it the moment they realise it's there [09:47] DaemonFC GNOME is running an astroturfing website against theming. [09:47] TR News
  • [09:47] schestowitz[TR] IBM [09:47] DaemonFC They say that even icon packs are bad because "software authors should be in control of their branding". LOL [09:47] TR News "With its invasion of Ukraine, Russia ignited a regional conflict with global repercussions." https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-copyright-groups-are-concerned-about-russias-handling-of-online-piracy-220926/ | Source: Torrent Freak [09:47] TR Bot Copyright Groups Are Concerned About Russia's Handling of Online Piracy * TorrentFreak [09:48] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2022/07/29/richard-hughes-secure-boot-sham/ [09:48] TR Bot GNOME (IBM/Red Hat Staff) Promoting Microsofts Security Scam With the Secure Boot Sham | Techrights [09:48] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@g3izecpprtp7g.irc) has joined #techrights [09:49] TR News 3D Printing https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/when-3d-printing-gears-it-pays-to-use-the-right-resin/ | Source: Hackaday [09:49] TR Bot 3D Printing Gears, It Pays To Use The Right Resin | Hackaday [09:49] MinceR lol @ gnome's branding bullshit [09:49] TR News HEY HI https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/lending-a-helping-hand-to-hens-with-ai/ | Source: Hackaday [09:49] TR Bot A Helping Hand To Hens With AI | Hackaday [09:49] schestowitz[TR] gnome is largely captured [09:49] schestowitz[TR] by ICBM and co. [09:49] schestowitz[TR] Gulag too [09:49] schestowitz[TR] the oppressors [09:49] schestowitz[TR] who occupy t he community [09:49] schestowitz[TR] and tehy they "Support" us [09:49] schestowitz[TR] Red Hat was not as bad [09:50] schestowitz[TR] since ICBM took over things took a turn for the worse [09:50] schestowitz[TR] and they even collude with Microsoft a lotm more [09:50] schestowitz[TR] like the overencompassing unbrella of "defense budget" issues command collectively [09:50] schestowitz[TR] "we'll bail you out... IF" [09:50] schestowitz[TR] (bailout=gov. contracts, graft) [09:51] TR News EPA https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/80-democrats-urge-biden-epa-accept-union-demands | Source: Common Dreams [09:51] TR Bot 80+ Democrats Urge Biden EPA to Accept Union Demands [09:51] highest_cubist_thrills schestowitz[TR ] priv esc is not sa big deal schestowitz[TR ] it can be schestowitz[TR ] if you don't turst users on the system schestowitz[TR ] or if you runa world-facing service schestowitz[TR ] and people can use that to issue commands schestowitz[TR ] like submitting forms [09:52] highest_cubist_thrills im no security expert [09:52] schestowitz[TR] it's a flaw [09:52] schestowitz[TR] but not a severe one [09:52] schestowitz[TR] shell escapes in telnet and ssh [09:52] highest_cubist_thrills but apart from "priv esc is not sa big deal" followed by a list of reasons it can... [09:52] highest_cubist_thrills it sounds like you only think its a problem for people running servers [09:52] schestowitz[TR] why yuou don't want to allow access without login details [09:52] mjg59_ Yeah turns out it's a pretty big deal [09:53] schestowitz[TR] for bbs [09:53] highest_cubist_thrills Yeah turns out it's a pretty big deal <- i mean once someone creates a shell... [09:53] schestowitz[TR] yeah [09:53] TR News Giorgia Meloni https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/led-giorgia-meloni-fascists-set-take-power-italy-first-time-mussolini | Source: Common Dreams [09:53] TR Bot Led by Giorgia Meloni, Fascists Set to Take Power in Italy for First Time Since Mussolini [09:53] mjg59_ Namespacing massively reduces the damage someone can do if they exploit a single service, unless there's privilege escalation in the kernel [09:53] highest_cubist_thrills which can be done by arbitrary code... [09:53] highest_cubist_thrills then theyre root. [09:53] highest_cubist_thrills thats not a big deal? [09:54] highest_cubist_thrills ofc when someone says (correctly) that priv esc IS a big deal [09:54] schestowitz[TR] they need to be inside to begin with [09:54] highest_cubist_thrills it depends on the method, whats vulnerable, each instance depends on several factors afaik... [09:54] schestowitz[TR] or to be able to issue commands as apache/similar [09:54] schestowitz[TR] which on most web sites they cannot [09:54] schestowitz[TR] they don't just pass any command they want [09:54] schestowitz[TR] input sanitsed [09:54] mjg59_ Yes, and the reason they can be inside is overwhelmingly to do with memory unsafety bugs in exposed code [09:54] schestowitz[TR] and limited to what a CMS might permit [09:54] mjg59_ Roy [09:55] mjg59_ You've written a bunch of perl scripts that pass poorly sanitised input to system() [09:55] mjg59_ You do not get to talk about security [09:55] highest_cubist_thrills so mjg could definitely say "THIS PRIV ESC vulnerability is a big deal" and maybe it isnt [09:55] highest_cubist_thrills but as a whole category? not a big deal? unless youre running a server? [09:55] schestowitz[TR] no [09:55] highest_cubist_thrills is a very silly person, yes [09:55] schestowitz[TR] that's a distortion of what happens [09:55] schestowitz[TR] perl only makes static pages [09:55] schestowitz[TR] the visitor has no access to perl [09:55] mjg59_ Including passing in URLs that come from elsewhere [09:55] schestowitz[TR] no [09:56] schestowitz[TR] again [09:56] schestowitz[TR] you looked at source code [09:56] highest_cubist_thrills You do not get to talk about security <- honestly its more fun if he does [09:56] schestowitz[TR] and cannot even understand it [09:56] mjg59_ And why is the IRC bot writing logs to /root [09:56] mjg59_ Is it running as root [09:56] highest_cubist_thrills /me is just going to GUESS that mjg understood roys perl code [09:56] highest_cubist_thrills Is it running as root <- might as well be, priv esc not a big deal [09:57] schestowitz[TR] the irc bot, which one? [09:57] schestowitz[TR] there are several [09:57] schestowitz[TR] tux machines is very simple [09:57] schestowitz[TR] you cannot run anything [09:57] schestowitz[TR] except if you have an account [09:57] schestowitz[TR] and keys on the system [09:57] schestowitz[TR] to get in [09:57] schestowitz[TR] you cannot even ssh with username/password [09:58] mjg59_ Uh-huh [09:58] schestowitz[TR] perl is run to generate new static pages [09:58] mjg59_ TechrightsBot-tr is configured to write to /root/phirce-techhrights [09:58] highest_cubist_thrills /me thinks everything on tr/tm is containerised by now [09:58] TR News "Pointing happily to the far-right's recent electoral surge in Sweden" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/boebert-mtg-among-us-republicans-celebrating-fascist-victory-italy | Source: Common Dreams [09:58] TR Bot Boebert, MTG Among US Republicans Celebrating Fascist Victory in Italy [09:59] mjg59_ (At least, based on the public git, I have no idea if that actually reflects reality) [09:59] TR News "Germanys uncomfortable relationship with free speech continues" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/germanys-government-continues-to-lock-people-up-for-being-extremely-online/ | Source: Techdirt [09:59] TR Bot Government Continues To Lock People Up For Being Extremely Online | Techdirt [09:59] schestowitz[TR] TechrightsBot-tr is trmanco's code [09:59] schestowitz[TR] from like 12 years ago [09:59] schestowitz[TR] you see very old code there ● Sep 27 [10:00] mjg59_ So what's in git doesn't correspond to what's running? [10:00] TR News VPN https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/vpn-providers-remove-servers-from-india-in-wake-of-new-data-collection-laws/ | Source: Techdirt [10:00] TR Bot Providers Remove Servers From India In Wake Of New Data Collection Laws | Techdirt [10:01] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:01] schestowitz[TR] TR is being containerised [10:01] schestowitz[TR] there are about 8 machines [10:01] mjg59_ Because that config was committed to git earlier this year [10:02] mjg59_ So it would seem odd for it to be 12 years out of date [10:02] mjg59_ It seems easy for you to say whether or not it's running as root [10:03] TR News Orbanism https://telex.hu/english/2022/09/26/communication-between-orban-and-meloni-more-intensive-than-the-usual-diplomatic-formulas-pms-press-office | Source: Telex (Hungary) [10:03] TR Bot Telex: Communication between Orbn and Meloni more intensive than the usual diplomatic formulas PM's press office [10:03] mjg59_ And, well, if privesc isn't an issue then it doesn't matter if it's running as root so there's no problem with you saying so? [10:04] TR News "Texas HB 20 law on content moderation came out" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/09/26/conservatives-loved-expanding-the-1st-amendment-to-corporations-until-last-year-wonder-why/ | Source: Techdirt [10:04] TR Bot Loved Expanding The 1st Amendment To Corporations Until Last Year. Wonder Why? | Techdirt [10:05] psydruid brainwash therapy [10:05] TR News Student Debt https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/bidens-student-debt-relief-cost-fraction-us-giveaways-megarich-and-pentagon | Source: Common Dreams [10:05] TR Bot Biden's Student Debt Relief to Cost a Fraction of US Giveaways to the Megarich and Pentagon [10:06] schestowitz[TR] crazy people compelling people who call them crazy to public call themsleves crazy [10:06] schestowitz[TR] he did this to me also [10:06] schestowitz[TR] but failed [10:06] schestowitz[TR] I'd not play ball with passive-aggressive bullies [10:06] mjg59_ You understand that therapy isn't about dealing with mental illness, right [10:06] TR News "Climate Change Is the Asteroid" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/climate-change-asteroid-say-critics-nasa-earth-defense-mission | Source: Common Dreams [10:06] TR Bot 'Climate Change Is the Asteroid,' Say Critics of NASA Earth Defense Mission [10:06] DaemonFC That's pretty much what it's about. [10:07] mjg59_ It's about gaining a better understanding of the underlying causes of the way you feel about things [10:07] DaemonFC Who cares. [10:07] TR News NASA is not only being PRIVATISED; it also increasingly acts like LITTLE ELSE but a MILITARY arm like the NSA. [10:07] mjg59_ Therapists can't prescribe drugs [10:07] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@6r9fix5u5g9xa.irc) has joined #techrights [10:07] DaemonFC Paying some bullshitter to sit there and talk to me? [10:07] highest_cubist_thrills Our IRC logs dont typically provide sufficient code transparency, only conversational transparency.Over the past year weve become louder about the need to delete GitHub and weve developed quite a bit of software for the site over the past 8 months or so. [10:07] schestowitz[TR] sometimes statres blackmail you into it [10:08] schestowitz[TR] "you can [accept] publishment or [seek help]" [10:08] highest_cubist_thrills In order to keep it organised complete with version control were going to set up our own, local, self-hosted Git. This will hopefully increase transparency, too. [10:08] schestowitz[TR] the help is not always helpful [10:08] mjg59_ Is the IRC bot running as root? [10:08] schestowitz[TR] but some groups profit from it [10:08] highest_cubist_thrills http://techrights.org/2019/12/26/techrights-git-server/ [10:08] TR Bot Coming Soon: Techrights Git Server | Techrights [10:08] mjg59_ Simple question [10:08] highest_cubist_thrills from like 12 years ago [10:08] highest_cubist_thrills you see very old code there [10:08] highest_cubist_thrills im sure im reading way too much into this [10:09] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: To be fair, the code *is* from about 12 years ago, it hasn't been meaningfully updated since [10:09] DaemonFC The only reason to see a therapist is to comply with a court order. schestowitz[TR] Yes, the divorce court ordered me to attend therapy because my parents were getting divorced. I told the people running the program I was going to stick earplug in my ears and read a book, but that I was physically present under duress. [10:09] schestowitz[TR] there are two git repos [10:09] schestowitz[TR] tuxmachines repo [10:09] schestowitz[TR] and TR [10:09] schestowitz[TR] and a lot of code was volleyed there [10:09] schestowitz[TR] old code [10:09] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: You should see how Roy runs sed [10:09] DaemonFC I said it was fucking stupid that I had to be punished because my parents were getting a divorce and the judge ordered me to be there, and I was physically present there. [10:09] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: I accept that it's old code, but is it current code? [10:09] highest_cubist_thrills one line example? [10:09] TR News "With the frequency and scale of these maneuvers increasing by the week, the likelihood of a mishap is increasing exponentially." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/peace-group-urges-us-and-china-halt-blatantly-provocative-military-maneuvers | Source: Common Dreams [10:09] TR Bot Peace Group Urges US and China to Halt 'Blatantly Provocative' Military Maneuvers [10:10] DaemonFC mjg59_, I would never go to a therapist, not in a million years. [10:10] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Lots of sed s/foo/bar/ file2; sed s/baz/bang/ file1; (repeat for 20 lines of file1/file2 swapping) [10:10] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Your loss [10:10] DaemonFC There's no point in it. They don't fix anything. I've managed to fix things without paying someone who has no stake in the outcome,. [10:10] TR News "With 74% of eligible voters turning out to cast ballots, more than two-thirds of votesnearly four million peoplewere in favor of the Family Code." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/unprecedented-democratic-exercise-cubans-approve-inclusive-family-code | Source: Common Dreams [10:10] TR Bot In 'Unprecedented Democratic Exercise,' Cubans Approve Inclusive Family Code [10:10] highest_cubist_thrills /me has done some horrible, horrible things-- just ask xrevan86 [10:10] DaemonFC DaemonFC: Your loss [10:11] DaemonFC Not really. Think of all the money people waste paying these clowns. [10:11] DaemonFC To you, it's probably not a big problem. [10:11] highest_cubist_thrills repeat for 20 lines of file1/file2 <- what do you do instead, chain them together? [10:11] highest_cubist_thrills /me used to know how to do that, but never put it into practice [10:11] DaemonFC if you can afford letters to harass Roy's wife, you can pay a therapist, I'm sure. [10:11] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: sed -e s/foo/bar/ -e s/baz/bang/ -e (repeat as necessary) [10:11] highest_cubist_thrills swhat i figured [10:12] mjg59_ DaemonFC: When did I harass Roy's wife? [10:12] DaemonFC With the lawyer. [10:12] DaemonFC Over your damaged ego. [10:12] schestowitz[TR] rianne has just called himk "idiot" [10:12] highest_cubist_thrills /me never uses < file1 > file2 but couldnt tell you why its bad [10:12] schestowitz[TR] when I told her mjg59_ is sio bored that [10:12] schestowitz[TR] 1) he now attends ALL the major IRC channels [10:12] schestowitz[TR] 2/478 [10:12] schestowitz[TR] and [10:12] schestowitz[TR] 2) reads all the code in git [10:12] schestowitz[TR] you'd think he could get salaried in some companies to do the same [10:12] highest_cubist_thrills based on everything i know about writing television / movies [10:13] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Oh, it means for every operation you're writing stuff out to disk for no good reason [10:13] highest_cubist_thrills which isnt so much [10:13] mjg59_ DaemonFC: I harassed Roy's wife by sending Roy a letter? [10:13] TR News Nuclear Weapons https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/eliminating-nuclear-weapons-not-only-possible-it-necessary-un-chief | Source: Common Dreams [10:13] TR Bot Eliminating Nuclear Weapons 'Is Not Only Possible, It Is Necessary': UN Chief [10:13] DaemonFC Maybe she opened it. [10:13] highest_cubist_thrills roy and mjg need to fuck already [10:13] MinceR more accurately, you're writing stuff to disk cache [10:13] highest_cubist_thrills the tension is RIDICULOUS [10:13] MinceR it will get written to disk eventually [10:14] TR News "Anti-Women Politics" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/26/giorgia-melonis-anti-women-politics-and-future-italy | Source: Common Dreams [10:14] TR Bot Opinion | Giorgia Meloni's Anti-Women Politics and the Future of Italy | Claudia Torrisi [10:14] MinceR but i suspect that if updates overwrite each other, not all of them are going to get written, just the newest state every now and then [10:14] mjg59_ MinceR: It's certainly extra syscalls, whether it hits disk is going to depend on how loaded the system is [10:14] DaemonFC The best that mjg59_ can do is an open relationship with what he's got now, apparently. [10:14] highest_cubist_thrills i have fun figuring out who is more to blame for this [10:14] MinceR i suspect it's not a performance critical script [10:14] highest_cubist_thrills its an angels dancing on the head of a pin question [10:14] mjg59_ Yeah it's frankly not a big deal [10:15] mjg59_ It's just not a /good/ way of writing things [10:15] mjg59_ And roy keeps talking about how I shouldn't talk about things because I'm just a biologist [10:15] highest_cubist_thrills scripts would be better if bash had never been written [10:15] mjg59_ So I'll gladly point out examples of his code being stuff I wouldn't allow through review [10:16] highest_cubist_thrills roy keeps talking about how I shouldn't talk about things because I'm just a biologist <- he takes a lot of shortcuts when he makes arguments about you [10:16] mjg59_ Probably a bunch of people who'd enjoy reading slash fiction about us [10:17] schestowitz[TR] that's false [10:17] highest_cubist_thrills most people dont like you so he optimises his arguments for quantity [10:17] MinceR lol [10:17] schestowitz[TR] I didn't bring that up [10:17] mjg59_ Some sort of followup to "Savaged by Systemd" [10:17] schestowitz[TR] until maybe 8 years latger [10:17] schestowitz[TR] like, earlier this year [10:17] schestowitz[TR] I alwaysa focused on the issue [10:17] schestowitz[TR] not the character [10:17] schestowitz[TR] re urfi secure boot [10:17] schestowitz[TR] check for yourself [10:17] highest_cubist_thrills Savaged by Systemd <- it only poked me in a way that made me uncomfortable, but thats not really the stuff of slashfic [10:17] schestowitz[TR] techrights.org/wiki/index.php/UEFI [10:17] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Hey, all I'm saying is that I write better bash than you [10:17] schestowitz[TR] the one doing a lot of ad hom now is daemonfc [10:17] schestowitz[TR] but he reciprocates [10:18] schestowitz[TR] because mjg59_ constantly calls him stuff [10:18] mjg59_ No big deal [10:18] schestowitz[TR] to distract from solid technical arguments [10:18] schestowitz[TR] legal, thechnical, ethical [10:18] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: you are assessing not code [10:18] schestowitz[TR] but hacks [10:18] schestowitz[TR] scripts only ONE person uses [10:18] highest_cubist_thrills to distract from solid technical arguments <- like priv esc isnt a big deal [10:18] schestowitz[TR] nobody else has use for these [10:18] schestowitz[TR] and they take less than 1000ms to run [10:18] mjg59_ irc-log-techrights-060122.txt:[11:06]schestowitz-TRmaybe they even hired some failed biologist [10:18] schestowitz[TR] so little reason to optimise [10:18] mjg59_ irc-log-techrights-090621.txt:[17:18]schestowitzJust get a failing biologist [10:19] mjg59_ irc-log-techrights-131021.txt:[15:59]schestowitz-TRhe's a failed biologist [10:19] mjg59_ irc-log-techrights-251021.txt:[19:09]schestowitz-TR2that failed biologist is a waste of time [10:19] mjg59_ irc-log-techrights-251221.txt:[19:18]schestowitz-TR2for failed biologists [10:19] schestowitz[TR] 2021 [10:19] schestowitz[TR] like I said [10:19] schestowitz[TR] you opened that up [10:19] schestowitz[TR] when going ad hom [10:19] DaemonFC A biologist married to a man with plastic surgery. [10:19] mjg59_ 10:17 < schestowitz[TR]> like, earlier this year [10:19] schestowitz[TR] with all that trans politics [10:19] DaemonFC Someday. [10:19] DaemonFC If COVID ends, you know. [10:19] schestowitz[TR] you are as trans as I am ! [10:19] highest_cubist_thrills https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Tg2rrMwfgB0 [10:19] mjg59_ What year is this? [10:19] TR Bot Just a Gigolo / I Ain't Got Nobody - Invidious [10:19] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: own it [10:19] schestowitz[TR] you are as trans as I am ! [10:20] mjg59_ I have no idea how trans you are [10:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [10:20] mjg59_ I've never claimed to be trans [10:20] schestowitz[TR] you claim to speak for them [10:20] schestowitz[TR] you don';t [10:20] DaemonFC How to make a woman. [10:20] schestowitz[TR] britney does [10:20] schestowitz[TR] more than you do [10:20] DaemonFC Step 1. Take man. [10:20] MinceR a biologist who peddles MICROS~1 snake oil :> [10:20] DaemonFC Step 2. Cut man's dick off. [10:20] schestowitz[TR] and britney is cool with me [10:20] DaemonFC WOMAN [10:20] schestowitz[TR] many people here are trans [10:20] schestowitz[TR] and they don't aggress [10:20] schestowitz[TR] I'm not their tasrget [10:20] schestowitz[TR] you are giving them a bad name [10:21] schestowitz[TR] by constanlyty attacking the wrong peoiple [10:21] schestowitz[TR] by association [10:21] mjg59_ I'm giving trans people a bad name by pointing out that Ryan is transphobic? [10:21] schestowitz[TR] you are like graham norton now [10:21] highest_cubist_thrills /me can think of one trans person here who has wondered aloud why roy focuses on mjg so much, leading to mjg focusong on roy so much [10:21] DaemonFC The reason trans people have very little acceptance, I think, is because they want a surgical operation that makes other people go "OOOF" and cup their penis protectively just thinking about it. [10:21] highest_cubist_thrills but im totally paraphrasing and sometimes important details get slightly mixed up that way [10:21] highest_cubist_thrills and thats not a goal here [10:22] highest_cubist_thrills i think accuracy is underrated [10:22] schestowitz[TR] https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/republicans-christian-nation/ [10:22] TR Bot Republicans Are Ready to Declare the United States a Christian Nation | The Nation [10:22] schestowitz[TR] msorry, wrong link [10:22] schestowitz[TR] https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/graham-nortons-problem-isnt-jk-rowling-but-women-l3dsdx9l7 [10:22] TR Bot Graham Nortons problem isnt JK Rowling, but women | Comment | The Sunday Times [10:22] schestowitz[TR] to make a perfect ociety [10:22] highest_cubist_thrills i can absolutely think of reasons to focus on mjg for things that matter [10:22] schestowitz[TR] we need to cancel all straight men [10:22] DaemonFC I'm probably going to vote for Republicans mostly when my ballot eventually does get here. [10:22] schestowitz[TR] because they don't ban people like DaemonFC [10:23] schestowitz[TR] then we cancel all women [10:23] DaemonFC Pritzker has been worse. [10:23] highest_cubist_thrills but to make it a running gag and not expect a riposte is delusional [10:23] schestowitz[TR] and then it's a paradise [10:23] schestowitz[TR] for some peooople who take 6-figure salaries from Gulag [10:23] schestowitz[TR] which bombs TENTS [10:23] techuser then people no longer reproduce [10:23] *starstreak has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [10:23] schestowitz[TR] tents wortth $1,000 [10:23] techuser they disappear [10:23] techuser finally [10:23] schestowitz[TR] using $100,000 missiles [10:23] schestowitz[TR] in $10,000,000 drones [10:23] MinceR what techuser said [10:23] schestowitz[TR] using "HEY HI" [10:23] mjg59_ Roy, your company took money from someone who bought illegal weapons to use against his own citizens [10:23] MinceR though i think it will happen sooner [10:23] mjg59_ We exist in capitalism [10:24] mjg59_ It's hard to avoid being associated with bad things [10:24] highest_cubist_thrills tents wortth $1,000 using $100,000 missiles <- they are definitely overdoing their defences [10:24] mjg59_ I spend a while trying to prevent my employer from doing bad things, realised I wasn't going to succeed, and left [10:25] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: yyou are referring to the b ritish gov. [10:25] MinceR that's an interesting interpretation of events [10:25] schestowitz[TR] or more specifically,. london town hall(GLA) [10:25] schestowitz[TR] kahn is in charge [10:25] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:25] mjg59_ He is now, yes [10:25] schestowitz[TR] and "boris", whom I always condemned, was there just for a few years [10:25] mjg59_ But your company took their money while Johnson was in charge [10:25] schestowitz[TR] you worked gfor Gulag [10:25] schestowitz[TR] which worked with ARMY [10:25] highest_cubist_thrills who in london town hall bought illegal weapons to use against london citizens? [10:25] schestowitz[TR] and helps MURDER people [10:25] mjg59_ While he was spending money on illegal weapons [10:25] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54 [10:25] TR Bot https://invidious.namazso.eu/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54 [10:26] TR Bot invidious.namazso.eu | KHAAAAAAN! - Invidious [10:26] schestowitz[TR] and does global espionage [10:26] schestowitz[TR] without peeople's consent [10:26] schestowitz[TR] what you rfer to as a "wepon" [10:26] schestowitz[TR] ois a waaater cannon [10:26] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/19/boris-johnson-unused-water-cannon-sold-for-scrap-at-300000-loss [10:26] TR Bot Boris Johnson's unused water cannon sold for scrap at 300,000 loss | London | The Guardian [10:26] schestowitz[TR] so your standards are, [10:26] schestowitz[TR] you cannot work for a large city [10:26] schestowitz[TR] 10 million people in daytime [10:26] schestowitz[TR] if it buys a water cannon [10:26] schestowitz[TR] where do you live? [10:26] schestowitz[TR] what does youyr poolice force have? [10:26] schestowitz[TR] armoured vehicles? [10:27] highest_cubist_thrills one mans illegal weapon is another mans firehose [10:27] schestowitz[TR] machine guns? [10:27] mjg59_ You standards are that you cannot work for a large company if it engages in some contracts for evil branches of the government [10:27] highest_cubist_thrills that line should be a slashfic. [10:27] mjg59_ And I understand that position! [10:27] highest_cubist_thrills ^ in [10:27] mjg59_ But you also shouldn't work for a small company if it engages in some contracts for evil branches of the government [10:28] mjg59_ And the GLA under Boris was evil [10:28] mjg59_ I do regret not quitting Google earlier [10:28] highest_cubist_thrills evil branches of the government <- i still think its a stretch to call town hall an "evil branch of the government" [10:28] mjg59_ And I'm not going to defend that [10:28] MinceR Global Liberation Army? [10:28] mjg59_ Greater London Authority [10:28] MinceR :) [10:28] highest_cubist_thrills just call it evil town hall, because ive known a few of those. [10:29] highest_cubist_thrills otoh [10:29] highest_cubist_thrills calling london a "town" is a stretch as well [10:29] mjg59_ All I'm saying is that Roy has also obtained money as a result of working for evil people [10:29] highest_cubist_thrills youre both playing a similar game from opposite sides here [10:29] mjg59_ But defends that, rather than questioning it [10:30] schestowitz[TR] london buys one water cannon [10:30] mjg59_ Google signs one ICE contract [10:30] schestowitz[TR] london now on blacklist of ririshman who mstudied in oxbridge [10:30] MinceR i wonder what job doesn't involve working for evil people [10:30] mjg59_ Yeah, that's the problem [10:30] MinceR is there an employer with no management? [10:30] schestowitz[TR] btw, london SOLD that water cannon [10:30] highest_cubist_thrills mjg59_ it probably means nothing of significance [10:30] schestowitz[TR] it got rid of it [10:31] highest_cubist_thrills but if i had to guess [10:31] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: After you'd taken the money [10:31] highest_cubist_thrills google is still more evil than london [10:31] schestowitz[TR] london only ever made money from one water cannon [10:31] highest_cubist_thrills but... then again, its just a guess [10:31] schestowitz[TR] not canary wharf etc. [10:31] schestowitz[TR] maybe you'll soon accuse me of working fgor banksters [10:31] schestowitz[TR] because... LONDON! [10:31] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Oh sure, I'm just interested in where the line is [10:31] highest_cubist_thrills I'm just interested in where the line is <- then youre looking for something that isnt there [10:32] mjg59_ How evil does something have to be before taking their money is condemned [10:32] schestowitz[TR] you helped Microisoft attack us [10:32] schestowitz[TR] with a little code of yours [10:32] schestowitz[TR] despite warnings [10:32] schestowitz[TR] inc. from Torvalds [10:32] highest_cubist_thrills roys arguments are like the part of the colouring book page where the line is left open [10:32] schestowitz[TR] and you condemn me for running inefficient code only one person uses and has use for [10:32] highest_cubist_thrills and you just have to figure out where you want to stop colouring [10:32] mjg59_ I don't condemn you for doing that [10:32] highest_cubist_thrills or use some kind of fade [10:32] mjg59_ I just say that your publicly available code does not show a good understanding of the tools [10:32] schestowitz[TR] and one wonders why you spend so much time studying all our code [10:33] schestowitz[TR] are you sure you work for eurora? [10:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [10:33] schestowitz[TR] aurora whetever [10:33] highest_cubist_thrills or you could be really anal retentive about it and trim the pages so the lines close [10:33] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [10:33] schestowitz[TR] did they put you on garden lave or something? [10:33] schestowitz[TR] *garden leave [10:33] mjg59_ Because you keep insinuating that I'm less qualified to discuss technical issues than you are [10:33] mjg59_ And yet all your publicly available code is just fucking awful [10:33] TR News "Huge Victory" .... boycott starbucks https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/26/huge-victory-starbucks-agrees-begin-contract-talks-230-union-stores | Source: Common Dreams [10:33] TR Bot 'Huge Victory': Starbucks Agrees to Begin Contract Talks With 230+ Union Stores [10:33] highest_cubist_thrills let me bring you up to speed... my name is wayne campbell. i live in aurora illinois-- which is a suburb of chicago [10:34] mjg59_ Maybe you write some great code somewhere! It's not in your public git repos [10:34] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: so that's what it's about [10:34] schestowitz[TR] you study code [10:34] schestowitz[TR] that one person write for oneself [10:34] schestowitz[TR] dirty shell hacks [10:34] highest_cubist_thrills once upon a time there were two phds talking about tech on the internet [10:34] schestowitz[TR] maybe you want to also run 'history(1)' [10:34] schestowitz[TR] and find inefficiencies in my command workflow [10:35] schestowitz[TR] and then make fun [10:35] highest_cubist_thrills one of them used to work for netscape, and the other used to work for google [10:35] mjg59_ The bit where you filter out Ryan's traffic from your IRC monitoring is a nice touch [10:35] MinceR "Yes, London. You know, fish, chips, cup o tea, bad food, worse weather, Mary-fucking-Poppins. London!" [10:35] highest_cubist_thrills one was happily married, and the other had a partner (not a spouse) [10:35] schestowitz[TR] i see daemonfc [10:35] schestowitz[TR] but not on every screen [10:35] schestowitz[TR] I try to reduce unwanted "highlights" [10:35] schestowitz[TR] so that I don't get popups [10:35] schestowitz[TR] he highlights me a lot [10:35] highest_cubist_thrills Mary-fucking-Poppins <- hopefully if she fucked anyone they could do a better accent [10:35] schestowitz[TR] sometimes whilst I record videos [10:36] highest_cubist_thrills hmm, mary poppins slashfic-- no, better leave it [10:36] highest_cubist_thrills you can fuck with mickey but is it worth it [10:36] MinceR lol [10:36] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: You haven't seen Snatch? [10:36] highest_cubist_thrills i loved snatch-- im not sure i saw the whole thing [10:36] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: london... know for possessing a water cannon for a couple of years. sold it away. [10:36] mjg59_ It's a quote from that [10:37] highest_cubist_thrills also golden brown is an amazing song, even though i cant really endorse what it refers to [10:37] schestowitz[TR] maybe they wanted a water cannnon to shoot away at annoying trolls [10:37] highest_cubist_thrills It's a quote from that <- fair enough [10:37] highest_cubist_thrills its been 18 years since i saw it though [10:37] schestowitz[TR] who demand that authors be burned at the stake [10:37] schestowitz[TR] for insisting on things [10:37] schestowitz[TR] rushdie might have something to say [10:37] mjg59_ Ah ok now we're onto justifying the purchase of illegal weapons because maybe they could be used in ways Roy finds funny [10:37] highest_cubist_thrills maybe they wanted a water cannnon to shoot away at annoying trolls who demand that authors be burned at the stake [10:37] highest_cubist_thrills maybe they wanted a water cannon to put put the stake [10:38] schestowitz[TR] shah.google.com [10:38] highest_cubist_thrills Ah ok now we're onto justifying <- to be fair he was only speculating [10:38] highest_cubist_thrills roy do you think london should buy a water cannon? [10:38] MinceR maybe a friend owns a company that sells water cannons [10:39] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: historically europe used these agaionst football hoopligans [10:39] schestowitz[TR] to break out fights and such [10:39] mjg59_ I do want to be clear in that I think it's 100% legitimate to criticise me for a company that has worked for some terrible people, but people who do that should also accept criticism of the companies they've worked for [10:39] highest_cubist_thrills /me is interested in the law that makes water cannons illegal, but this is only a curiosity [10:39] schestowitz[TR] in the US they deploy cops with rifles and gases [10:40] highest_cubist_thrills but people who do that should also accept criticism of the companies they've worked for <- it doesnt work that way [10:40] highest_cubist_thrills i mean it probably should, but it doesnt [10:40] schestowitz[TR] the US used water cannons against environmentalist [10:40] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/15/theresa-may-rejects-water-cannon-boris-johnson [10:40] TR Bot Theresa May rejects Boris Johnsons request to use water cannon | London | The Guardian [10:40] schestowitz[TR] in SUB-ZERO temperatures [10:40] highest_cubist_thrills the usa is probably not a good role model here [10:41] schestowitz[TR] to protect OIL companies [10:41] highest_cubist_thrills and by probably i mean definitely [10:41] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: That's a legitimate criticism of US police forces, who I have not worked for [10:41] highest_cubist_thrills if oil companies become an endangered species, that could get interesting (rhetorically speaking) [10:42] schestowitz[TR] Gulag makes the lion's share of money using... [10:42] schestowitz[TR] spying [10:42] schestowitz[TR] malware [10:42] schestowitz[TR] back doors [10:42] schestowitz[TR] etc. [10:42] highest_cubist_thrills all corporations are bastards [10:42] schestowitz[TR] London's MUNICIPALITY raises money [10:42] schestowitz[TR] from taxes [10:42] MinceR some of them are much bigger bastards though [10:42] schestowitz[TR] it LOST money from that one water cannon [10:42] mjg59_ And, while spending money on your employer, also spend money on illegal weapons [10:43] schestowitz[TR] I wonder what % of the GLA budget was that one water cannon [10:43] schestowitz[TR] and how that benefited me [10:43] mjg59_ Three water cannons [10:43] highest_cubist_thrills /me does think referring to "one water cannon" (really just the one?) as "illegal weapons" is a little disingenuous [10:44] schestowitz[TR] so maybe less than a million sterling [10:44] highest_cubist_thrills its a trick based on whats literally true vs what you know people will think when you say it [10:44] schestowitz[TR] and GLA has annual budget of how much? [10:44] schestowitz[TR] how much did it spend on that one funeral|? [10:44] mjg59_ How much money do you think I personally obtained as a result of Google working for ICE? [10:44] highest_cubist_thrills though i still dont know how water cannons are illegal [10:45] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: worse [10:45] schestowitz[TR] look at Google's other activities [10:45] highest_cubist_thrills How much money do you think I personally obtained as a result of Google working for ICE <- def beside the point unless roy just made the same argument [10:45] highest_cubist_thrills which he probably did, but i didnt notice [10:45] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: UK police forces don't have the legal right to use any kind of weapons against the population without approval [10:45] highest_cubist_thrills without approval <- from whom? [10:45] highest_cubist_thrills thats use vs purchase [10:45] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: The government [10:46] highest_cubist_thrills ok this sounds very silly now. [10:46] mjg59_ It's not illegal for the police to own them, merely to use them [10:46] schestowitz[TR] belgioum uses these [10:46] schestowitz[TR] boycott belgium? [10:46] schestowitz[TR] used those on Brits, too [10:46] highest_cubist_thrills It's not illegal for the police to own them, merely to use them <- then to quote jean-luc picard... [10:46] highest_cubist_thrills why the fuck are you calling them "illegal weapons" then? [10:46] schestowitz[TR] agonst assholes lookign for a fight over FOOTBALL [10:46] mjg59_ Did you work for a company that was paid money by a local government that also bought illegal weapons? [10:47] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Using them would have been illegal [10:47] highest_cubist_thrills did they use them? [10:47] TR News Fascists https://scheerpost.com/2022/09/26/fascists-set-to-take-power-in-italy-for-first-time-since-mussolini/ | Source: Scheerpost [10:47] TR Bot Set to Take Power in Italy for First Time Since Mussolini scheerpost.com [10:47] TR News Fascists https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/26/we-have-seen-movie-fascists-have-arrived | Source: Common Dreams [10:47] TR Bot Opinion | We Have Seen This Movie Before: The Fascists Have Arrived | Chris Hedges [10:47] MinceR that's an interesting interpretation of "illegal weapons" [10:47] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: No, they were told it would be illegal to do so [10:47] highest_cubist_thrills No, they were told it would be illegal to do so <- sounds perfectly legal to me. [10:48] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ would walk up to a hooligan [10:48] highest_cubist_thrills they werent illegal to own. they bought them. they were told theyre not legal to use. they didnt use them. [10:48] schestowitz[TR] "here, have a hug... don't fight' [10:48] schestowitz[TR] "it's just a game, matey" [10:48] highest_cubist_thrills at what point did they actually become illegal weapons? [10:48] highest_cubist_thrills i know: when mjg said-- wait no, that didnt actually make them illegal weapons. [10:48] schestowitz[TR] whiole s dozen other mates of that hoooligans come over with a bar stool [10:49] mjg59_ If they'd been used as weapons they'd have been illegal [10:49] highest_cubist_thrills they bought POTENTIALLY ILLEGAL WEAPONS [10:49] MinceR what isn't potentially illegal? [10:49] highest_cubist_thrills how dare your company take money from them, roy. [10:49] *frog (~frog@txt39mzjsjjpa.irc) has joined #techrights [10:49] highest_cubist_thrills technically that also makes them potentially legal [10:49] schestowitz[TR] from london town hall [10:49] schestowitz[TR] rianne also [10:49] schestowitz[TR] how dare she? [10:49] schestowitz[TR] creep! [10:49] mjg59_ I don't think Roy's bad for working for this company! [10:50] schestowitz[TR] a drupal site ppowers those cannon, obviously [10:50] mjg59_ I just want him to establish a clearer demarcation about the threshold for being tainted by the actions of your employer [10:50] highest_cubist_thrills I don't think Roy's bad for working for this company! <- no but your comparison does really suck hard though [10:50] schestowitz[TR] *cannons [10:50] schestowitz[TR] that were not even used [10:50] MinceR nice [10:50] *MinceR clicks FIRE on the web interface [10:50] MinceR (or is it WATER?) [10:50] highest_cubist_thrills /me hopes thats not illegal fire [10:50] schestowitz[TR] meaanwhile gulag helps the pentagon select targets for bombingg [10:50] schestowitz[TR] war crimes basically [10:50] highest_cubist_thrills /me bought illegal matches the other day [10:50] schestowitz[TR] not water damage [10:50] schestowitz[TR] homes blown off [10:50] highest_cubist_thrills i mean i dont have any illegal intentions with them [10:50] schestowitz[TR] with Gulag "HEY HI" [10:51] highest_cubist_thrills but some people use them illegally [10:51] mjg59_ "water damage" in this case including potentially life altering injuries [10:51] schestowitz[TR] with wives and kids in them [10:51] schestowitz[TR] babies... [10:51] highest_cubist_thrills that makes them illegal matches [10:51] schestowitz[TR] poor babies [10:51] highest_cubist_thrills i should really turn them in [10:51] MinceR life-changing events! [10:51] schestowitz[TR] drpizza did not get to them [10:51] highest_cubist_thrills maybe theres a reward or something [10:52] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: So, for example, UK law has a bunch of contextual stuff - it's legal to own a large sharp knife if it's for cooking, but illegal if it's to carry around with you to stab people [10:52] TR News italy https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/09/26/introducing-giorgia-meloni-how-united-states-opened-door-fascisms-return-italy | Source: Common Dreams [10:52] TR Bot Opinion | Introducing Giorgia Meloni: How the United States Opened the Door for Fascism's Return to Italy | Michael Leonardi [10:52] schestowitz[TR] the knives are blunt [10:52] schestowitz[TR] usually [10:52] schestowitz[TR] the tip esp. [10:52] highest_cubist_thrills /me hopes laws are contextual [10:52] schestowitz[TR] "just the tip" [10:52] schestowitz[TR] as for cooking you rarely need strong grip, shrap tip, adn wide blade [10:52] MinceR "u got a loicence for that butter knoife, m8?" [10:52] highest_cubist_thrills i just think calling them "illegal weapons" is a bit silly [10:52] schestowitz[TR] so all the kitchen knives are not very good at killing [10:53] highest_cubist_thrills when nothing illegal has been done [10:53] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: The water cannon were expressly purchased to use against the civilian population of London, not just to hose down random things or to put out fires. If they were used for the purpose they were purchased for, that would have been illegal. [10:53] schestowitz[TR] commando knives are [10:53] schestowitz[TR] which is why many stabbings here are NOT fatal [10:53] MinceR cutting tomatoes is much easier with a knife that has a point [10:53] highest_cubist_thrills is it illegal to purchase them with such intent? [10:53] schestowitz[TR] someone was stabbed just meters away from our home [10:53] schestowitz[TR] and alsoa friend's home [10:53] schestowitz[TR] both survived [10:53] highest_cubist_thrills or only to use them that way? [10:53] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Oh, that's why I'm framing it as "purchase of illegal weapons", not "illegal purchase of weapons" [10:54] highest_cubist_thrills for gods sake [10:54] MinceR still deceptive [10:54] mjg59_ Sorry, I intended to be clear about the distinction there, but apparently I failed [10:54] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: yes, but they tend to be short, thin, and not good at penetrating rib cages [10:54] mjg59_ That's on me [10:54] schestowitz[TR] esp. on a 'moving target' [10:54] highest_cubist_thrills woudlnt be the first time [10:54] mjg59_ Eh legit criticism [10:54] schestowitz[TR] katana is another matter [10:54] mjg59_ I'll avoid that framing in future [10:55] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana [10:55] TR Bot Katana - Wikipedia [10:55] schestowitz[TR] the shraper knives here are behind protected areas [10:55] *MinceR fires it from a coilgun [10:55] schestowitz[TR] you need to go through some process to buy t hemn [10:55] highest_cubist_thrills ill hand you, as someone who knows [10:56] highest_cubist_thrills that roys accusations are stilted, may contain a slew of double standards, and are not always based on facts [10:56] highest_cubist_thrills are stilted <- can be, sometimes are [10:56] schestowitz[TR] hey, i always accepted your criticism [10:57] schestowitz[TR] I am not thin skinned [10:57] schestowitz[TR] I argue back [10:57] TR News Mexico https://www.thenation.com/article/world/mexico-murdered-journalists-network/ | Source: The Nation [10:57] TR Bot Preserving the Memory of Murdered Journalists in Mexico | The Nation [10:57] highest_cubist_thrills accepted != dodged, fabricated, made ridiculous (often untrue) excuses [10:57] highest_cubist_thrills slightly different [10:58] schestowitz[TR] no, that's a form of arguing [10:58] highest_cubist_thrills yeah its a form of it [10:58] schestowitz[TR] did not censor [10:58] schestowitz[TR] you say fabricated [10:58] schestowitz[TR] I say maybe misinterpreted [10:58] highest_cubist_thrills fabricated = made up [10:58] schestowitz[TR] like the :"illegal weeapoons" canard above [10:58] highest_cubist_thrills you say potato [10:59] schestowitz[TR] some people use indirection [10:59] schestowitz[TR] to attribute things to people [10:59] schestowitz[TR] like insinuating I support rape [10:59] schestowitz[TR] when what it boils down to is [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 21.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 116.26 [10:59] highest_cubist_thrills mjg: does roy support rape? [10:59] schestowitz[TR] I published someone else's artcles about or from someone who has certain views outside that area [10:59] mjg59_ I don't think so [10:59] schestowitz[TR] i hardly even had sex before getting married ● Sep 27 [11:00] schestowitz[TR] so it's a stretch to accuse me of any sex crimes [11:00] schestowitz[TR] was always busy with computers [11:00] schestowitz[TR] sort of like techuser [11:00] mjg59_ He's published articles by someone who claimed that someone who's sexually assaulted or raped several people I know was falsely accused [11:01] highest_cubist_thrills /me is sure this is about pocock [11:01] TR News "They say dozens of women, that day in Cairo, threw themselves from balconies in grief. They say millions attended his funeral." https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/safia-elhillo-girls-never-die/ | Source: The Nation [11:01] TR Bot The Searching Poetry of Safia Elhillo | The Nation [11:01] mjg59_ So I don't think he thinks rape is good or justifiable, but I think he's fine publishing things that support rapists [11:01] schestowitz[TR] see the logic, highest_cubist_thrills [11:01] schestowitz[TR] anyone who nods to something pocock wrote is now rape something [11:01] highest_cubist_thrills publishing things that support rapists <- have you talked to your therapist about overgeneralising? [11:02] highest_cubist_thrills now ive been known to generalise the fuck out of some things... [11:02] highest_cubist_thrills but ill either defend or backpedal (or clarify) if called on it [11:02] TR News assange https://thedissenter.org/poll-most-us-uk-adults-nothing-files-assange-charged-with-publishing/ | Source: The Dissenter [11:02] TR Bot Westerners Know Little About Files Assange Is In Jail For Publishing [11:02] highest_cubist_thrills depending of course, on how accurate i believe the statement was [11:02] schestowitz[TR] omg, roy linked to wikileaks something!! [11:02] schestowitz[TR] war criminals are OK [11:03] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: He literally republished stuff Pocock wrote that claimed the accusations against Jake were false [11:03] schestowitz[TR] people who link to article about wikileaks?" GROSS!! [11:03] highest_cubist_thrills and wikileaks rapes people [11:03] highest_cubist_thrills that claimed the accusations against Jake were false <- ok thats not an overgeneralisation then i suppose [11:04] schestowitz[TR] he defames assange by calling him rapist [11:04] schestowitz[TR] so hold your horses, man [11:04] schestowitz[TR] the campaign aginst assange is multifaceted [11:04] schestowitz[TR] they tried all possible angles [11:04] schestowitz[TR] mostly made up angles [11:04] schestowitz[TR] the CIA "hit list" [11:04] schestowitz[TR] apropos, CIA also wanted to torture assange [11:04] schestowitz[TR] and to assassinate him [11:05] schestowitz[TR] eventually they ill;egally kidnapped him [11:05] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Do you believe Jake was falsely accused? [11:05] highest_cubist_thrills but they were happy to let britain do it [11:05] schestowitz[TR] the "sec" guy doesn't mind it [11:05] schestowitz[TR] doesn't mind sex [11:05] schestowitz[TR] doesn't mind the law [11:05] schestowitz[TR] *sec [11:05] schestowitz[TR] typo [11:05] schestowitz[TR] though a funny typo [11:05] MinceR secs [11:05] schestowitz[TR] he's into sex, not sex [11:05] schestowitz[TR] don't wanna "miss out" [11:05] schestowitz[TR] *not sec [11:06] schestowitz[TR] schestowitz[TR]: Do you believe Jake was falsely accused? [11:06] schestowitz[TR] did you stop beating up your wife? [11:07] schestowitz[TR] https://www.throughlinegroup.com/2011/09/19/when-did-you-stop-beating-your-wife/ [11:07] TR Bot "When Did You Stop Beating Your Wife?" | Media Training Question [11:07] highest_cubist_thrills in fairness to roy (and why do i bother, i dont know) [11:07] highest_cubist_thrills he has said on more than one occasion [11:07] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: The fallacy in "Did you stop beating your wife" is that either response implies that you've been beating your wife [11:07] highest_cubist_thrills that his editorial policy does not require him to agree with the authors he publishes or republishes [11:08] TR News Face Recognition https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/09/ban-government-use-face-recognition-uk | Source: EFF [11:08] TR Bot Ban Government Use of Face Recognition In the UK | Electronic Frontier Foundation [11:08] highest_cubist_thrills ofc his editorial policy is partly improv [11:08] highest_cubist_thrills but this is actually established in words [11:08] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: "Do you believe Jake was falsely accused" isn't the same fallacy [11:09] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Oh I agree that it's his editorial policy, and as a result I don't think it's wrong or misleading to say that he's willing to publish material that defends rapists [11:09] highest_cubist_thrills *groucho* which fallacy was it then :> [11:09] TR News "Having a 3D printer or a CNC machine available for projects is almost like magic." https://hackaday.com/2022/09/26/robotic-platform-is-open-sourced-and-user-friendly/ | Source: Hackaday [11:09] TR Bot Platform Is Open Sourced And User Friendly | Hackaday [11:09] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: So, do you believe Jake was falsely accused? [11:10] schestowitz[TR] ask pocock, not me [11:10] highest_cubist_thrills schestowitz[TR]: The fallacy in "Did you stop beating your wife" is that either response implies that you've been beating your wife <- he would have been better off quoting huac [11:10] highest_cubist_thrills are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party [11:11] schestowitz[TR] erdos passed [11:11] schestowitz[TR] denied access to us [11:11] schestowitz[TR] stayed in orbanland iirc [11:11] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: I'm asking you because I'm interested in your opinion [11:11] mjg59_ I'm not asking what Pocock's opinion is (I know that already) [11:11] TR News Price-Gouging https://truthout.org/audio/corporations-price-gouging-may-hurt-them-in-the-long-run-says-economist/ | Source: TruthOut [11:11] TR Bot Corporations Price-Gouging May Hurt Them in the Long Run, Says Economist [11:12] TR News Italy https://truthout.org/video/fascist-victory-in-italy-signals-rise-of-transnational-far-right-across-europe/ | Source: TruthOut [11:12] TR Bot Fascist Victory in Italy Signals Rise of "Transnational" Far Right Across Europe [11:12] schestowitz[TR] ask your partner, mjg59_ [11:12] schestowitz[TR] no need to ask me [11:12] mjg59_ Jake sexually assaulted them, so I know their position [11:12] schestowitz[TR] if you want facts, ask luvcruft [11:12] mjg59_ I'm asking what you believe [11:13] schestowitz[TR] how would I know? never met any of them [11:13] schestowitz[TR] i spoke to assange sometimes [11:13] mjg59_ Based on what you've read, what do you think? [11:13] schestowitz[TR] never spoke to others [11:13] schestowitz[TR] I read what other people claim [11:13] schestowitz[TR] i am not a judge [11:13] schestowitz[TR] the judge looks for evvidence [11:13] schestowitz[TR] there was not a trial [11:13] schestowitz[TR] and I'm not "in the inside" [11:13] mjg59_ You have opinions about me without there being a trial [11:14] schestowitz[TR] not the same [11:14] highest_cubist_thrills he doesnt have an opinion on everything [11:14] highest_cubist_thrills even if it might seem that way [11:14] schestowitz[TR] you are making a serious allegation of crimes re assange [11:14] schestowitz[TR] and there is nom trial [11:14] schestowitz[TR] you keep calling his "rapist" [11:14] mjg59_ We're talking about Jake, not assange [11:14] highest_cubist_thrills there are a lot of questions he simply pooh poohs [11:14] schestowitz[TR] and you're like the FBI and Swedish police in that respect [11:14] schestowitz[TR] scheming to do what GCHQ called a "fit up" [11:14] schestowitz[TR] you call Assange a rap[ist too [11:14] schestowitz[TR] why? [11:15] highest_cubist_thrills condom [11:15] mjg59_ Because the description of his behaviour matches the definition of rape [11:15] mjg59_ But we're not talking about Assange, we're talking about Jake [11:16] TR News Disinvestment https://truthout.org/articles/disinvestment-poses-as-great-a-threat-to-libraries-as-book-bans/ | Source: TruthOut [11:16] TR Bot Disinvestment Poses as Great a Threat to Libraries as Book Bans [11:16] schestowitz[TR] I never accused you of rape, MinceR [11:16] mjg59_ If Jake refused to stop having sex with someone when they asked him to, is he a rapist? [11:16] schestowitz[TR] *mjg [11:16] schestowitz[TR] sorry, bad autocomplete [11:16] schestowitz[TR] I never accused you of rape, mjg59_ [11:16] schestowitz[TR] you are equating bad things [11:16] schestowitz[TR] imagine me saying publicly you are a rapist [11:16] schestowitz[TR] how would you feel? [11:17] schestowitz[TR] you do this to assange, even this month [11:17] highest_cubist_thrills I never accused you of rape, MinceR <- im not saying mincer is ace, but i cant imagine him wanting to be that close to another member of this species [11:17] schestowitz[TR] lol [11:17] schestowitz[TR] true [11:17] mjg59_ In the absence of evidence to the contrary, I would feel like you were making things up [11:17] highest_cubist_thrills perhaps an alien? [11:17] mjg59_ But there's evidence that Jake raped people [11:18] mjg59_ So, again, if Jake refused to stop having sex with someone when they asked him to, is he a rapist? [11:18] schestowitz[TR] you are talking about your partner [11:19] mjg59_ Nope [11:19] schestowitz[TR] i don't have reasons to think this is false [11:19] highest_cubist_thrills he says assault when referring to his partner [11:19] mjg59_ Ok. So you agree that in the event of Jake refusing to cease having sex with someone when they ask him to, he would be a rapist? [11:19] TR News DeSantis https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/ron-desantis-excuse-kidnapping-migrants/ | Source: The Nation [11:19] TR Bot Lets Talk About Ron DeSantiss "Reason" for Kidnapping Migrants | The Nation [11:19] mjg59_ That doesn't seem like a controversial thing to agree to [11:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [11:20] highest_cubist_thrills Jake refusing to cease having sex with someone <- i know this is a stupid question, particularly given the present company [11:20] highest_cubist_thrills but how long did he have sex with the accuser after he was asked to cease [11:20] TR News Italy https://truthout.org/articles/gop-representatives-boebert-and-greene-are-celebrating-fascisms-win-in-italy/ | Source: TruthOut [11:20] TR Bot GOP Representatives Boebert and Greene Are Celebrating Fascism's Win in Italy [11:21] highest_cubist_thrills im not looking for a stopwatch here [11:21] highest_cubist_thrills just an idea [11:21] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: https://hypatia.ca/2016/06/07/he-said-they-said/ [11:21] schestowitz[TR] highest_cubist_thrills: better not go there.. [11:21] TR Bot He said, they said hypatia dot ca [11:21] schestowitz[TR] he's here in irc for this [11:21] schestowitz[TR] to bring up all those sorts f questions [11:21] highest_cubist_thrills better not go there.. <- indeed [11:21] schestowitz[TR] and tghen declare someone here a rape apologist [11:21] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Search for "ignored my use of a safeword" [11:21] schestowitz[TR] watch what happend to tso [11:21] highest_cubist_thrills but i just did, and im sure the above link contains teh answer [11:21] highest_cubist_thrills i do think safewords are important [11:22] schestowitz[TR] ok, have a go at it, highest_cubist_thrills [11:22] schestowitz[TR] if later he points to something you said, don't lay that on me, mjg59_ [11:22] highest_cubist_thrills /me has already commented on tso [11:22] *frog has quit (Quit: connection closed.) [11:22] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Have you read the contents of that link? [11:22] TR News "Right to Secrecy" https://www.thenation.com/article/world/presidents-right-secrecy-trump-classified/ | Source: The Nation [11:22] TR Bot Do Presidents Have a Right to Secrecy? | The Nation [11:23] highest_cubist_thrills tso brought his opinions in. in this regard ive only asked a question [11:23] schestowitz[TR] tso has many opinions [11:23] schestowitz[TR] inc. positions on iraq invasion [11:23] schestowitz[TR] on microsoft patents [11:23] schestowitz[TR] on chinese identity [11:23] schestowitz[TR] do you want to pick on a coder for all that OtherStuff(R)? [11:24] schestowitz[TR] and if you do, WHY? [11:24] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Does being a coder excuse you from everything else? [11:24] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: you never held a controversial opinion [11:24] schestowitz[TR] ok, let's have fun [11:24] schestowitz[TR] brb [11:24] mjg59_ Should Reiser have been forgiven for murdering his wife is he promised to keep working on Linux? [11:25] highest_cubist_thrills "Jacob ignored my use of a safeword when his sexual behavior turned into violent behavior that violated my limits. Paul and I both had to repeatedly tell Jacob to stop, and the experience was profoundly upsetting. I believe that one of the common elements of Jacobs abusive behavior is humiliating one or another member of a couple in front of the other" [11:26] highest_cubist_thrills i dont know if this answers my question, per se [11:26] mjg59_ "Repeatedly" suggests it's not just a few seconds of failing to notice [11:26] highest_cubist_thrills i think its UNQUESTIONABLY WRONG to ignore a safeword [11:26] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1055600636056748034 [11:26] TR Bot You'll all be shocked to hear that the Newsy post on the Andy Rubin thing has been penalised [11:26] highest_cubist_thrills the problem is i dont know what act is being referred to as sexual here [11:26] highest_cubist_thrills its not specific [11:27] schestowitz[TR] andy "give mew blow job, I'm your boss" rubbin [11:27] highest_cubist_thrills i assume the act he did not cease (but i have to assume) was one that falls under the legal definition of rape... [11:27] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1571793991334764545 [11:27] TR Bot Me: Sorry can't make it to work tomorrow busy watching the Queen's funeral Also me: (opens another beer) [11:27] schestowitz[TR] making fun about the death of an old lady? [11:27] schestowitz[TR] opening a beer? [11:27] schestowitz[TR] while a nation mourns? [11:27] highest_cubist_thrills and if he didnt cease one of those acts when the safeword was given, id consider that rape [11:27] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Yeah, me criticising Hacker News for downvoting a story about Andy Rubin's behaviour is definitely the smoking gun you're looking for here [11:28] schestowitz[TR] that's... disgusting [11:28] schestowitz[TR] and borderline misogynist? [11:28] mjg59_ Dude, I'm Irish [11:28] mjg59_ The British crown was responsible for multiple instances of genocide in Ireland [11:29] highest_cubist_thrills making fun about the death of an old lady? <- is this a deliberate parody of mjgs penchant for overgeneralisation [11:29] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/318914525892050944 [11:29] TR Bot Plenty of documentation on Azure's filesystem-level security, nothing about containing guests. [11:29] highest_cubist_thrills making fun of the death of a monarch isnt misogyny [11:29] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ >3 Azure [11:29] highest_cubist_thrills "it can be" [11:29] schestowitz[TR] <3 [11:29] schestowitz[TR] We can go on [11:29] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: is always right [11:29] schestowitz[TR] only other people have flawed opinions [11:29] highest_cubist_thrills hardly [11:29] mjg59_ You're quoting me literally criticising Azure [11:29] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: is the gold standard [11:29] schestowitz[TR] the yardstick [11:29] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1449059681331122181 [11:29] TR Bot @Volvoman90 @shashly_sharon @ElleBeeG @dihamil @MapdraughterUK @jp_lfc81 @bbcquestiontime My birth certificate says I'm Irish [11:30] schestowitz[TR] it also states a gender [11:30] mjg59_ Ok [11:30] mjg59_ So [11:30] mjg59_ Just to be clear [11:30] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1565911715170045952 [11:30] TR Bot Keep his fucking name out of your mouth this is not what he would want from you [11:30] schestowitz[TR] professional language [11:30] highest_cubist_thrills thatcher wasnt even a monarch but people played ding dong the witch is dead anyway [11:30] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1565911338299232257 [11:30] TR Bot You utter fucking piece of shit https://t.co/CNsfkFhGn6 [11:30] TR Bot This is incredibly sad news. Peter is one of the true defenders of the Internet. https://t.co/hbL5c6qe4a [11:30] schestowitz[TR] polite [11:31] schestowitz[TR] "HIRE THIS MAN" -CEO [11:31] mjg59_ Ok you're quoting me criticising the CEO of Cloudflare [11:31] schestowitz[TR] yeah [11:31] schestowitz[TR] whom you attacked ad hoim to force them to censor [11:31] mjg59_ For implying that a friend of mine would have supported Cloudflare [11:31] schestowitz[TR] and you basically bully people like this [11:31] schestowitz[TR] until they censor, and then help evil regiiime [11:31] mjg59_ Just after he died [11:31] schestowitz[TR] they massacre women [11:31] schestowitz[TR] all because you wanted ONEMorSite(R) to be deplatformed [11:31] schestowitz[TR] you help dictators [11:32] mjg59_ Me: Cloudflare is bad [11:32] schestowitz[TR] no [11:32] schestowitz[TR] you called a person [11:32] mjg59_ Roy: Cloudflare is bad, but Matthew is bad for criticising Cloudflare [11:32] schestowitz[TR] "utter fucking piece of shit " [11:32] schestowitz[TR] in public [11:32] schestowitz[TR] in front of many people [11:32] mjg59_ Yeah, and I stand by that [11:32] schestowitz[TR] and later you TONE-POLICE our IRC network [11:32] schestowitz[TR] see? [11:32] mjg59_ He's an utter fucking piece of shit [11:32] schestowitz[TR] I too can play this game [11:32] schestowitz[TR] you are a broken instrument [11:32] highest_cubist_thrills mjg: who did you call an utter fucking piece of shit [11:32] schestowitz[TR] a flawd little man [11:32] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Matthew Prince [11:32] schestowitz[TR] and yopu lecture everyone [11:32] schestowitz[TR] as if.. [11:33] schestowitz[TR] .https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/361354943287934976 [11:33] TR Bot This magazine also includes an operating system tutorial written by Bill Gates [11:33] mjg59_ Do you think Jake is a rapist [11:33] mjg59_ This is an easy question [11:33] mjg59_ And you keep avoiding it [11:33] schestowitz[TR] change subject again? [11:33] mjg59_ Why do you keep avoiding it [11:33] highest_cubist_thrills Matthew Prince cofounded the web infrastructure and security company Cloudflare in 2009 <- shoe probably fits [11:33] *frog (~frog@udrhdefbtjdvk.irc) has joined #techrights [11:33] schestowitz[TR] 'security' [11:33] schestowitz[TR] clownflare is a security breach [11:33] schestowitz[TR] it even eats up the certs [11:34] schestowitz[TR] so it's like a perfect interception tool for USA [11:34] schestowitz[TR] as an IPOd [11:34] schestowitz[TR] company [11:34] schestowitz[TR] operating at a loss [11:34] mjg59_ Would it be untrue for me to say "Roy Schestowitz belives Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist"? [11:34] schestowitz[TR] at mercy of shareholders and Trump regime [11:34] schestowitz[TR] nice, eh? [11:34] highest_cubist_thrills im sure the only reason roy is making a big deal about you saying prince is (what he most likely is) is that it was the context of censoring a website [11:34] mjg59_ I'm happy for you to say that's untrue [11:34] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1565947657066930178 [11:34] TR Bot @yunginnanet @eastdakota @Cloudflare Fuck off [11:34] mjg59_ And I'd believe you [11:34] schestowitz[TR] nice [11:34] schestowitz[TR] you sure you went to oxbridge [11:34] schestowitz[TR] even I never call people that [11:35] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: The context was a dead friend of mine [11:35] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Would it be untrue for me to say "Roy Schestowitz belives Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist"? [11:35] schestowitz[TR] he holds clownflare accountable for people in a forum [11:35] schestowitz[TR] section of note here [11:35] schestowitz[TR] so because some idiots shitpost in a froum [11:35] highest_cubist_thrills he holds clownflare accountable for people in a forum <- that seems excessive [11:35] schestowitz[TR] he now calls for clownflare boycott [11:35] schestowitz[TR] seems like ther wrong reason [11:36] schestowitz[TR] me: clownflare censors [11:36] schestowitz[TR] and many other moral issues [11:36] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: I hold Cloudflare responsible for their choice of customers [11:36] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: THEY DO NOT BOYCOTT ENOUGH SITES!! [11:36] schestowitz[TR] *(the ones _I_ dislike) [11:36] highest_cubist_thrills /me would have supported the boycott in some other context [11:36] highest_cubist_thrills hell, nearly any [11:36] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: I will hold them accountable for anything anyone ever said in 200 million subsites [11:37] schestowitz[TR] until they censor the sites _I_ do not like [11:37] mjg59_ Uh [11:37] mjg59_ Roy [11:37] schestowitz[TR] he holds clownflare accountable for people in a forum <- that seems excessive [11:37] schestowitz[TR] worse [11:37] mjg59_ Hate to break this to you [11:37] schestowitz[TR] he doesn't hold the webmaster accountable [11:37] schestowitz[TR] but the CDN!!! [11:37] mjg59_ But you're largely known for leading a boycott [11:37] schestowitz[TR] the fucking CDN LOL!! [11:37] highest_cubist_thrills no that was shane [11:37] schestowitz[TR] doim you know how many sites clownflare fronts for? [11:37] schestowitz[TR] inc. some sick ones outside western culture? [11:37] schestowitz[TR] iirc, taliban also [11:38] schestowitz[TR] taliban OK [11:38] highest_cubist_thrills roy thought "boycott novell" was "too negative" a name for a website formed around a suggestion to boycott novell [11:38] schestowitz[TR] because the taliban doesn't come to the home of mjg59_ [11:38] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Would it be untrue for me to say "Roy Schestowitz belives Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist"? [11:38] highest_cubist_thrills he wanted to call it "dontletsbebeastlytonovelljustusemonoabitless.com" [11:38] schestowitz[TR] subject change again [11:38] schestowitz[TR] and they say _I_ am elizabot [11:38] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Just going to point out that if you don't answer this I can legitimately say "Roy Schestowitz refuses to say that Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist" [11:39] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1525743466033975296https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1525743466033975296 [11:39] TR Bot All of this shit is either sexism or racism or homophobia or transphobia and yet we keep letting people try to pret https://t.co/KsQphnaBwc [11:39] TR Bot All of this shit is either sexism or racism or homophobia or transphobia and yet we keep letting people try to pret https://t.co/KsQphnaBwc [11:39] mjg59_ So it would probably be easier to answer the question [11:39] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1525743466033975296 [11:39] TR Bot All of this shit is either sexism or racism or homophobia or transphobia and yet we keep letting people try to pret https://t.co/KsQphnaBwc [11:39] schestowitz[TR] "" [11:39] schestowitz[TR] All of this shit is either sexism or racism or homophobia or transphobia and yet we keep letting people try to pretend that these are actually expressions of some legitimate political discourse or something and maybe we shouldn't do that [11:39] schestowitz[TR] imposing "rigththing" [11:39] highest_cubist_thrills Roy Schestowitz refuses to say that Jake Appelbaum is not a rapist <- reminds me of something lewis carroll said once [11:39] schestowitz[TR] morality police [11:40] schestowitz[TR] Iran has that also [11:40] schestowitz[TR] in the news this past month [11:40] highest_cubist_thrills iran would probably find a reason that it was ok for appelbaum to rape someone though [11:40] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Would you object to me saying "Roy Schestowitz believes Jake Appelbaum was falsely accused of rape"? [11:40] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: personal question [11:40] schestowitz[TR] what do your mom and your dad think about trans people? [11:40] schestowitz[TR] you don't have to answer [11:41] mjg59_ They've been accepting of my partner [11:41] schestowitz[TR] even 10 years ago? [11:41] schestowitz[TR] you did not answer my question btw [11:41] schestowitz[TR] you changes my question [11:41] schestowitz[TR] the question change is revealing [11:41] mjg59_ I'm answering to the degree I can [11:41] schestowitz[TR] you rtwisted my question [11:41] highest_cubist_thrills /me thinks the question was answered [11:41] schestowitz[TR] your parents support it like ddaemonfc's parents support his gayness [11:42] schestowitz[TR] they just about tolerate it [11:42] schestowitz[TR] but not really [11:42] mjg59_ Whenever my parents have met trans people I know they have exhibited no hostility or refusal to accept them for who they are [11:42] schestowitz[TR] they are polite to their son [11:42] schestowitz[TR] they still love their son [11:42] mjg59_ I have not questioned them further on the topic [11:42] highest_cubist_thrills /me has no idea where roy got his information on mjgs parents [11:42] schestowitz[TR] I asked [11:42] highest_cubist_thrills your parents support it like ddaemonfc's parents support his gayness <- why would you assume this [11:42] schestowitz[TR] and he answered another qquestion [11:42] mjg59_ But they have made efforts to use appropriate pronouns and ensure that other members of the family do so as well [11:42] schestowitz[TR] that I had not asked [11:43] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: when? [11:43] mjg59_ When what? [11:43] schestowitz[TR] after you asked them to? [11:43] highest_cubist_thrills and he answered another qquestion <- i think he answered your question reasonably [11:43] schestowitz[TR] ok, moving on [11:43] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1486465591695196160 [11:43] TR Bot Shit I did not see this coming: https://t.co/ucmZOxsUNl [11:43] TR Bot linux/Makefile at ac632c504d0b881d7cfb44e3fdde3ec30eb548d9 torvalds/linux GitHub [11:43] schestowitz[TR] you like shit, don't you :-)? [11:43] highest_cubist_thrills imo if you think the answer was not satisfactory, you should specify what it lacks and not rely on innuendo [11:43] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: Would you object to me saying "Roy Schestowitz believes Jake Appelbaum was falsely accused of rape"? [11:44] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1431453762338492426 [11:44] TR Bot @snare Oh shit yeah fuck I took the week off work and entirely forgot about that [11:44] schestowitz[TR] very professional [11:44] schestowitz[TR] "HIRE THIS MAN" [11:44] schestowitz[TR] he complies with the CoC [11:44] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: You're weirdly intent on not answering this question [11:44] highest_cubist_thrills this wont ever end until they fuck already [11:44] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1393146770432040961 [11:44] TR Bot Still not over former GOP house member Peter King being: a) pro IRA b) pro Israel [11:45] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_: is your stance on israel coc-compliant? [11:45] highest_cubist_thrills mel gibson "okay, this is defintely NOT what i meant by 'thunderdome'" [11:45] schestowitz[TR] if not, someone might report you to the cocommittee [11:45] schestowitz[TR] for antisemitism [11:45] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: The IRA are pro-PLA [11:45] schestowitz[TR] like people did tso [11:45] highest_cubist_thrills palestine is definitely not a safe space [11:45] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: I'm pointing out an obvious contradiction in political position [11:45] schestowitz[TR] my point being,,,, [11:45] schestowitz[TR] he is a flawed people [11:46] schestowitz[TR] picking on his is faaar too easy [11:46] schestowitz[TR] if one wantede [11:46] schestowitz[TR] to he throws stonesd in glass houses [11:46] mjg59_ Picking on an elected politician is far too easy? [11:46] highest_cubist_thrills an obvious contradiction <- how is it contradictory for the ira to be pro-pla [11:46] schestowitz[TR] the sock is on the other foot... [11:46] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Being pro-IRA and pro-Israel [11:46] highest_cubist_thrills both the pla and ira are against border decisions by the british [11:46] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Yeah that's my point [11:47] highest_cubist_thrills but palestine and ireland got fucked by imperialists [11:47] highest_cubist_thrills i thought the ira (sans the so-called "real ira") disbanded but [11:47] schestowitz[TR] brb, doingdaily links now [11:47] highest_cubist_thrills i dont get the contradiction [11:47] TR News (NEW): Top 5 Open Source Plugins for ONLYOFFICE Docs http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Top_5_Open_Source_Plugins_for_ONLYOFFICE_Docs.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Top_5_Open_Source_Plugins_for_ONLYOFFICE_Docs.gmi [11:47] TR Bot Tux Machines Top 5 Open Source Plugins for ONLYOFFICE Docs [11:47] highest_cubist_thrills Yeah that's my point <- oh [11:47] highest_cubist_thrills /me shrugs [11:47] TR News (NEW): Box PC packs Rockchip X3588 chipset and runs on Android 12.0 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Box_PC_packs_Rockchip_X3588_chipset_and_runs_on_Android_12_0.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Box_PC_packs_Rockchip_X3588_chipset_and_runs_on_Android_12_0.gmi [11:47] TR Bot Tux Machines Box PC packs Rockchip X3588 chipset and runs on Android 12.0 [11:47] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: Being pro-PLA and pro-Israel would be a contradiction [11:48] mjg59_ And you can't be pro-IRA without being pro-PLA really [11:48] highest_cubist_thrills ah, interesting [11:48] highest_cubist_thrills the ira disbanded though yes? [11:48] highest_cubist_thrills except the "real ira" [11:48] mjg59_ Republican areas of Northern Ireland fly Palestinian flags [11:48] mjg59_ The IRA exists, but disarmed [11:48] highest_cubist_thrills ok [11:49] highest_cubist_thrills i know about sinn fein but really wasnt up to speed on the ira [11:49] mjg59_ Loyalist areas of Northern Ireland fly Israeli flags, because Loyalists are incredibly confused [11:49] highest_cubist_thrills or clear on it [11:49] mjg59_ They also fly confederate flags [11:49] highest_cubist_thrills that does sound confusing [11:49] mjg59_ Yeah it's just a bunch of incoherent political signalling [11:49] highest_cubist_thrills is this recent? i didnt notice any confederate flags [11:49] highest_cubist_thrills but that was a long time ago, and its not like i canvased the entire country [11:50] highest_cubist_thrills a bunch of incoherent political signalling <- sign of the times i suppose [11:50] mjg59_ https://www.google.com/search?q=northern+ireland+confederate+flag [11:50] TR Bot ireland confederate flag - Google Search [11:50] highest_cubist_thrills aliens: "earthlings fucking jumped the shark" [11:51] highest_cubist_thrills https://www.google.com/search?q=northern+ireland+confederate+flag <- oh i dont doubt the claim [11:51] highest_cubist_thrills i was just curious if it was recent [11:51] highest_cubist_thrills i cant imagine why youd ever make up confederate flags in loyalist areas [11:51] mjg59_ Anyway, just going to point out explicitly that Roy absolutely refuses to express an opinion on whether Jake is a rapist [11:52] schestowitz[TR] since you highlight me [11:52] mjg59_ Yeah honestly to an extent it's tied to German use of the confederate flag as a stand-in for the swastika flag [11:52] highest_cubist_thrills just going to point out explicitly that Roy absolutely refuses to express an opinion on whether Jake is a rapist <- i consider that a legimate position on appelbaum [11:52] schestowitz[TR] and you make a false assertion [11:52] schestowitz[TR] I will say no, [11:52] schestowitz[TR] i ndid not say that [11:52] schestowitz[TR] no less than you said israel has no right to exist [11:52] schestowitz[TR] which you might believe [11:52] schestowitz[TR] but I cannot prove it [11:52] mjg59_ I think Israel has a right to exist [11:52] schestowitz[TR] ok [11:52] mjg59_ So, is Jake a rapist [11:53] schestowitz[TR] and what you said earlier about me is false [11:53] mjg59_ Which thing I said earlier? [11:53] schestowitz[TR] btw, let's see how much those irish republicans want to bring 100,000 palestinians to theiiir towns [11:53] schestowitz[TR] *their [11:53] schestowitz[TR] (barrier and network lag) [11:53] highest_cubist_thrills i think israel has a right to exist. i strongly disagree with their intepretation of that as "we can just go around bulldozing whatever we like" [11:53] highest_cubist_thrills i think usa has a right to exist-- yet i dont support the tactics of ice [11:54] highest_cubist_thrills bulldozing <- and mortaring [11:55] highest_cubist_thrills and so on [11:55] highest_cubist_thrills i disagree with the notion that a right to exist implies an unassailable right to commit war crimes [11:55] highest_cubist_thrills i mean im sentimental that way [11:56] mjg59_ "When asked repeatedly, Roy Schestowitz did not answer questions about whether he believed Jake Appelbaum was a rapist" [11:56] mjg59_ schestowitz[TR]: ^ that's 100% factually accurate, right? [11:56] highest_cubist_thrills thats the smart answer [11:57] highest_cubist_thrills /me looks up if british have equiv of right to remain silent [11:57] highest_cubist_thrills im sure its not identical [11:57] highest_cubist_thrills The right to silence in England and Wales is the protection given to a person during criminal proceedings from adverse consequences of remaining silent. It is sometimes referred to as the privilege against self-incrimination. [11:58] highest_cubist_thrills why do you take issue with roys silence on the matter [11:58] highest_cubist_thrills what does it prove? [11:59] mjg59_ I think "Roy Schestowitz has republished articles suggesting that Jake Appelbaum was falsely accused of rape, but refuses to express his own opinion on the matter" is also accurate [11:59] highest_cubist_thrills yes but thats his editorial policy [11:59] highest_cubist_thrills whats wrong with that policy ● Sep 27 [12:00] mjg59_ highest_cubist_thrills: He's repeatedly claimed that I've accused him of supporting rapists when all I've said is that he publishes articles that support rapists [12:00] highest_cubist_thrills He's repeatedly claimed that I've accused him of supporting rapists when all I've said is that he publishes articles that support rapists <- i mean... [12:00] highest_cubist_thrills its roy we are talking about here [12:01] highest_cubist_thrills he also said you go to conventions to get laid [12:01] mjg59_ Yeah, that's also a lie [12:01] TR News (NEW): QEMU review http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/QEMU_review.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/QEMU_review.gmi [12:01] highest_cubist_thrills simply because you dont eschew the entire idea of getting laid at a convention [12:01] TR Bot Tux Machines QEMU review [12:01] highest_cubist_thrills Yeah, that's also a lie <- like i said, its roy we are talking about here [12:02] MinceR presumably we're supposed to consider Appelbaum guilty in absence of a court verdict, and cancel him [12:03] highest_cubist_thrills presumably we're supposed to consider Appelbaum guilty in absence of a court verdict, and cancel him <- sadly this is the only reason i knew he existed in the first place [12:04] mjg59_ MinceR: We're supposed to come to a reasonable conclusion about how to respond to an individual based on a number of accusations against him [12:04] mjg59_ Nobody is suggesting that he be stripped of his rights in the absence of a court verdict [12:04] highest_cubist_thrills We're supposed to come to a reasonable conclusion about how to respond to an individual based on a number of accusations against him <- what makes you certain mincer hasnt done that already? [12:04] mjg59_ But there's no right to compel association [12:05] highest_cubist_thrills there's no right to compel association <- funnily enough, a point of argued myself about being forced to associate with the coup [12:05] highest_cubist_thrills s/of/ive/ [12:05] frog false accusation, with or without a court, are defamation, and an illegal offense [12:06] highest_cubist_thrills though we are probably going to different places with that idea [12:06] frog if false accusation are combined with blackmailing and extortion, it is fraud and a criminal offense [12:06] frog subject to compensation of damages caused by false accusations [12:07] highest_cubist_thrills Nobody is suggesting that he be stripped of his rights <- what exactly what decided [12:08] highest_cubist_thrills sorry, what exactly was decided [12:08] mjg59_ He's largely unwelcome at conferences, the number of people willing to collaborate with him is reduced [12:09] highest_cubist_thrills the number of people willing to collaborate with him is reduced <- this makes perfect sense [12:09] mjg59_ He got his PhD anyway, and he's got some sort of position at a university in Switzerland [12:09] highest_cubist_thrills He's largely unwelcome at conferences <- this would be tragic if hes not guilty of what hes accused of [12:09] highest_cubist_thrills He got his PhD anyway, and he's got some sort of position at a university <- his career wasnt ruined [12:09] highest_cubist_thrills only his ability to interact with most of the free software community [12:10] highest_cubist_thrills at conferences [12:10] mjg59_ I'm unwelcome at some conferences because of things I've said about the Linux Foundation [12:10] mjg59_ (Also unwelcome at one conference because of things I said about Jake) [12:10] highest_cubist_thrills oh which one [12:10] highest_cubist_thrills because of things I've said about the Linux Foundation <- yeah lf is a bit of a delicate flower that way [12:11] highest_cubist_thrills being a protected minority and corporation etc [12:11] mjg59_ CCC rejected literally everyone vaguely related to Tor the year the Jake stuff happened [12:11] highest_cubist_thrills jsut for one year? [12:11] highest_cubist_thrills or that year + since that time [12:12] mjg59_ I stopped paying attention after then [12:12] highest_cubist_thrills fair enough [12:12] mjg59_ I'd come up with a scheme to use remote attestation to be able to prove that the Tor hidden service you were accessing hadn't been compromised by the FBI [12:12] highest_cubist_thrills that sounds impossible tbh [12:12] highest_cubist_thrills but im no security expert [12:13] mjg59_ Eh based on the approaches we knew they were taking it would have worked [12:13] mjg59_ They may have found other ways around that [12:13] highest_cubist_thrills so if they used a different one it would fail? [12:13] highest_cubist_thrills right [12:13] mjg59_ They'd have had to do a bunch more work [12:13] highest_cubist_thrills that doesnt sound like a very reliable positive result though [12:13] mjg59_ Nothing's a guarantee [12:13] highest_cubist_thrills thats true of course [12:13] highest_cubist_thrills but to be fair [12:14] highest_cubist_thrills well [12:14] mjg59_ But they'd have had to start using some NSA-level stuff [12:14] highest_cubist_thrills i think the most obvious outcome is [12:14] highest_cubist_thrills now they would do much more work [12:14] highest_cubist_thrills but maybe not [12:14] TR News (NEW): Best Free and Open Source Julia Static Site Generators http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Julia_Static_Site_Generators.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Best_Free_and_Open_Source_Julia_Static_Site_Generators.gmi [12:14] TR Bot Tux Machines Best Free and Open Source Julia Static Site Generators [12:14] mjg59_ And the NSA wouldn't want that because they want to keep that shit for stuff that matters [12:14] highest_cubist_thrills right right [12:14] mjg59_ Anyway I should probably sleep [12:15] highest_cubist_thrills its a shame youre not known for that instead [12:16] mjg59_ Sleeping? [12:17] mjg59_ That sounds pretty great tbh [12:17] highest_cubist_thrills no [12:17] mjg59_ Champion sleeper [12:17] highest_cubist_thrills that sounds like probably your best hack [12:17] mjg59_ Oh, I published the code [12:17] highest_cubist_thrills yeah but [12:17] highest_cubist_thrills ive never heard of it afaik [12:17] mjg59_ Going to try to re-do something similar with container stuff [12:17] highest_cubist_thrills i know you for the stallman thing [12:18] mjg59_ Man it's almost like when I say that I actually care about individual liberty online that I do believe it [12:18] mjg59_ But yes I should refocus on that stuff, there's been less for the past few years for a bunch of reasons [12:18] highest_cubist_thrills or maybe you just do liberty for the lulz :) [12:19] highest_cubist_thrills idk, i doubt even your therapist knows that one [12:19] highest_cubist_thrills and they would have a lot more to go on [12:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [12:20] highest_cubist_thrills I do believe it <- i believe you believe you believe it [12:21] highest_cubist_thrills liberty is complicated anyway [12:22] highest_cubist_thrills free software wont be free as long as github rules the world [12:23] frog GNU itself is problematic, for quality reasons [12:23] highest_cubist_thrills it costs a buck-oh-five [12:23] frog beginning, with, the heart and core of GNU, which is their toolchain and buildsystem [12:24] frog still working on it, to detangle those, and remove all runtime and build-time dependencies against it [12:25] MinceR 27 130407 < mjg59_> MinceR: We're supposed to come to a reasonable conclusion about how to respond to an individual based on a number of accusations against him [12:25] highest_cubist_thrills /me wishes phanes was here [12:25] MinceR oh, i know that one [12:25] MinceR i've seen it already [12:25] highest_cubist_thrills /me has questions [12:25] MinceR when it involved ShitHub [12:25] highest_cubist_thrills how was shithub involved [12:25] MinceR see, this is one of the reasons why i wouldn't let SJWs judge people [12:25] MinceR apparently just the size of the cancel mob is sufficient to indict people [12:26] highest_cubist_thrills acab, moral police etc [12:26] MinceR highest_cubist_thrills: when they wrote a bullshit letter and published it on ShitHub [12:26] MinceR it wasn't about Appelbaum that time [12:26] TR News (NEW): : Google Android Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Android_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Android_Leftovers.gmi [12:26] TR Bot Tux Machines Android Leftovers [12:26] MinceR but it was the same principle [12:26] MinceR no evidence, tons of accusers => guilty [12:26] highest_cubist_thrills they didnt come to a reasonable conclusion either [12:26] MinceR they don't do reasonable [12:27] highest_cubist_thrills condemning mjg is much more powerful imo, when its done reasonably [12:28] highest_cubist_thrills its not about whether HE deserves reasonable condemnation [12:28] MinceR the things i condemn mjg59_ for were done very publicly [12:28] highest_cubist_thrills everybody ELSE deserves the reasonable (honest) version [12:28] highest_cubist_thrills yeah as far as i know [12:28] highest_cubist_thrills ive never criticised your condemnation of mjg [12:28] MinceR in support of a corporation whose past is also well known [12:28] highest_cubist_thrills because i cant find any flaws with it [12:30] frog the GNU buildsystem itself, supposed to improve portability, in fact, ensures this, portability towards itself [12:30] frog for example, assuming if, i wanted to compile lynx web browser, which is the oldest actively maintained one [12:30] highest_cubist_thrills what bothers me about the thing i read earlier, is that it may have conflated abuse with rape [12:30] highest_cubist_thrills and while abuse is wrong [12:30] highest_cubist_thrills rape is more specific [12:31] highest_cubist_thrills it has a legal definition [12:31] highest_cubist_thrills what it sounded like was [12:31] highest_cubist_thrills the abuse continued. [12:31] frog and i didn't want to utilize GNU autoconf/automake/gnu-make... how much effort would lynx browser one alone be, to rewrite simple and clean POSIX make files for it? [12:31] highest_cubist_thrills if that abuse included acts that are defined by the definition of rape [12:31] frog to retain, at least, some 30year old "free software" web browser [12:31] highest_cubist_thrills then why wouldnt it be rape, if that description is accurate [12:31] highest_cubist_thrills but im not asking [12:31] frog without GNU build-system [12:32] highest_cubist_thrills i think once a safeword is given, the act should cease [12:32] highest_cubist_thrills whether its rape or not depends on what precise act did not cease [12:32] highest_cubist_thrills and that wasnt stated there [12:32] highest_cubist_thrills so it didnt answer my question [12:32] frog at bootstrappable.org, they're still occupied to bootstrap autogen, and didn't succeed until a few days ago, to at least bootstrap compile GCC without pre-generated files [12:33] highest_cubist_thrills if this wasnt a common pattern... [12:33] highest_cubist_thrills i wouldnlt be so pedantic [12:33] frog i wouldn't at least bother with GNU autogen anymore, and instead use some other toolchain [12:33] highest_cubist_thrills what it says clearly is that appelbaum is abusive [12:33] highest_cubist_thrills it doesnt specify more than that. [12:34] highest_cubist_thrills maybe other things are more explicit elsewhere [12:34] highest_cubist_thrills thats why i wish phanes was here [12:34] highest_cubist_thrills mobs dont ask people to make careful decisions [12:34] highest_cubist_thrills they demand action / response and dont love waiting around for careful decisions either [12:35] highest_cubist_thrills i take issue with the entire approach [12:35] highest_cubist_thrills in a perfect would even mobs would take more care than that [12:35] highest_cubist_thrills world [12:35] highest_cubist_thrills they dont of course [12:36] highest_cubist_thrills mob justice is probably never defined as "thoughtful deliberation" [12:36] highest_cubist_thrills mob thoughtful deliberation [12:36] highest_cubist_thrills we should talk about stallman [12:36] highest_cubist_thrills why [12:36] highest_cubist_thrills because hes a terrible person who did all these terrible things [12:36] highest_cubist_thrills what things [12:36] highest_cubist_thrills well he said things [12:37] highest_cubist_thrills also he didnt let us hang moglen for what he said [12:37] highest_cubist_thrills theres a long pattern of half truths [12:37] highest_cubist_thrills and framing [12:38] highest_cubist_thrills it makes people more sceptical, even cynical [12:38] highest_cubist_thrills too bad it destroyed the whole free software movement [12:38] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:39] highest_cubist_thrills funnily enough! [12:39] *techuser (~techuser@iicxfvcbb8h9k.irc) has joined #techrights [12:39] highest_cubist_thrills if you replace the free software movement with the thought police movement [12:39] highest_cubist_thrills you get tpm [12:39] MinceR guess what "Secure Boot" relies on for various cryptographical operations :> [12:40] MinceR and who supports "Secure Boot" :> [12:40] highest_cubist_thrills that was the joke [12:40] highest_cubist_thrills free computing is important [12:41] highest_cubist_thrills i consider free computing to be: free software, free culture, free hardware [12:41] highest_cubist_thrills free culture matters-- but it has eaten itself by being one with the mob [12:41] highest_cubist_thrills it hasnt ceased to be important [12:41] highest_cubist_thrills but as a movement its not terribly viable [12:42] highest_cubist_thrills (and never was, sadly) [12:42] highest_cubist_thrills free software was more successful than free culture [12:42] highest_cubist_thrills was [12:42] highest_cubist_thrills but its dead [12:42] highest_cubist_thrills of free computing, free hardware has the most hope [12:42] highest_cubist_thrills some people will say [12:42] highest_cubist_thrills this will happen [12:43] highest_cubist_thrills it doesnt matter what the software is like [12:43] MinceR i have doubts about that [12:43] highest_cubist_thrills if the hardware is free [12:43] MinceR i've seen working free softwar [12:43] MinceR e [12:43] highest_cubist_thrills because the hardware is what you need to be in control of [12:43] MinceR but afaict all free hardware projects i've seen have failed [12:43] highest_cubist_thrills id rather be wrong [12:43] highest_cubist_thrills im talking about the movement [12:43] MinceR acquired unacceptable components [12:43] highest_cubist_thrills well [12:43] MinceR or just plain didn't work (pinephone...) [12:43] highest_cubist_thrills free hardware is just getting started [12:43] highest_cubist_thrills it may flop like free culture [12:44] frog pinephone isn't free/open hardware [12:44] highest_cubist_thrills but even if all our hardware was free [12:44] highest_cubist_thrills free software would not cease to be important [12:44] highest_cubist_thrills we ultimately need both [12:45] highest_cubist_thrills the free software movement and the free culture movement [12:45] highest_cubist_thrills theyve eaten themselves [12:45] highest_cubist_thrills free hardware has room to be exciting, because its "new" [12:45] highest_cubist_thrills but someday free software will have to come back [12:45] highest_cubist_thrills for now its just leo on a fucking plank in the ocean [12:46] MinceR 27 134407 < frog> pinephone isn't free/open hardware [12:46] MinceR what is? [12:47] highest_cubist_thrills some chips that do very little right now [12:47] MinceR yeah [12:47] highest_cubist_thrills that could change very quickly [12:47] MinceR can i run an OS with memory protection on a free hardware CPU with no backdoors? [12:48] highest_cubist_thrills from eeproms i predicted fpgas and thumbdrives [12:48] highest_cubist_thrills but i thought the market would never allow such things [12:48] MinceR the moment RISC-V showed promise, intHell intruded into it [12:48] highest_cubist_thrills fpgas beacuse you can COPY A CPU [12:49] highest_cubist_thrills yeah entryism is a bitch [12:49] highest_cubist_thrills idk whats supposed to stop entryism [12:49] MinceR is an FPGA running an open core powerful enough to run a "modern" website in a browser? [12:49] highest_cubist_thrills unless its anticapitalism [12:49] highest_cubist_thrills websites are stupid [12:49] MinceR also, is there an FPGA with not only fully free tooling but also no secrets in its design? [12:49] highest_cubist_thrills the web is a broken standard [12:49] MinceR "modern" websites are stupid, nevertheless, one tends to need them nowadays [12:52] *highest_cubist_thrills has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [12:52] TR News Banana Pi BPI-M2 Ultra SBC is now offered with Allwinner A40i industrial-grade processor https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/27/banana-pi-bpi-m2-ultra-sbc-allwinner-a40i-industrial-grade-processor/ [12:52] TR Bot Banana Pi BPI-M2 Ultra SBC is now offered with Allwinner A40i industrial-grade processor - CNX Software [12:52] frog MinceR: some FPGA do exist which are capable to boot linux; none of them suffice for any of the "modern" web shit [12:53] MinceR i thought so [12:53] frog FPGA themselves and required tooling, are problematic too [12:53] MinceR and they're probably not free themselves [12:54] frog i consider RISC-V a political move, other free/open designs exist already, whose patents fully expired [12:54] frog and RISC-V probably needs most recent toolchains/kernels, which are problematic for that many other reasons, it's moot to discuss [12:55] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [12:55] *techuser (~techuser@6nvxnbfs9k26u.irc) has joined #techrights [12:55] frog the only "free hardware" options remaining, are the Z80 era realm, Gigatron etc.; and related projects almost always too depend on some problematic parts [12:56] frog even the Gigatron TTL (Apollo mission late 1960s era TTL7400 series parts), this too requires a closed ATmel for the Pluggy McPlugface VGA/PS2 adapter [12:56] MinceR which of those have MMUs? [12:57] frog good question, early Z80 designs don't contain any MMU nor DRAM controller, and use SRAM only [12:57] frog almost all other "modern" hardware designs utilize MMU [12:58] MinceR has anyone built a Z80-based system with MMU? can it run unix? [12:58] frog yes, some designs including MMU showcased FuzixOS booted [12:58] frog 16bit addressing [12:59] frog with bank-switching, which is, limited [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 155.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 116.76 [12:59] frog FuzixOS was where Alan Cox departed ● Sep 27 [13:00] frog however, with FuzixOS/z80 i remain sceptical too, because SDCC compiler is written in C++, which excludes any reasonable bootstrapping of it [13:02] frog with 32bit systems, which is the bare minimum of any practically useful system, the situation is... didn't drink vodka yet to talk [13:02] frog because, you need to consider both, always: hardware and compiler/toolchain support [13:03] frog with the intersection of this, currently i consider an ao486 type system deployed to FPGA together with a tcc-toolchain (no GNU-toolchain, no GNU-buildsystem, no-c++) [13:03] frog for ao486, the BIOS/firmware situation too seems close to acceptable, they implemented some seabios/bochs for it [13:04] frog deployed to FPGA: thats a few dozen MHz, a few MiB of RAM, no USB1 [13:04] frog and it is, EXPENSIVE!!! the proposed Altera FPGA ship for $800 [13:05] frog hence i consider the FPGA deployment optional, it must be possible, in theory at least, which it is, with ao486 [13:05] frog and in practice, any other x86 (32bit i think), intersects with what tcc-toolchain may support [13:06] frog didn't have time yet, to re-integrate any libc (mes-libc, musl-1.x) known to compile with tcc-toolchain [13:06] frog before i begin this, i will blacklist perl, GNU automake/autoconf etc... and see what remains in userspace as "free software" [13:06] frog next, i will verify the linux kernel-2.4 ROLL-BACK [13:07] frog then, i will re-integrate any libc which must pass with tcc-assembler [13:07] frog then, i will migrate the package set to Oasis Linux package management, and fork this to a distro named Paradise Linux [13:09] MinceR does FuzixOS do actual memory protection with Z80+MMU? [13:10] frog it does Bank-Switching, which swaps the entire address space for every single process, to my understanding [13:10] frog i think with this, no process can access the address space of any other process [13:11] MinceR yeah, i vaguely remembered that [13:11] MinceR i'm no fan of that [13:11] MinceR any application can still screw up the kernel [13:11] MinceR and then you get to reboot, if you notice [13:11] frog yes, same kernel address space is mapped into each process [13:13] frog anyway, Z80 with SDCC seems not desireable, because of the compiler, written in C++ [13:13] frog i consider Z80 suitable to practice assembly and basic programming, and for this 64KiB should suffice [13:14] frog 16bit seems not a desirable target for any unix [13:14] MinceR i've done that on 386 already (though i don't think i ventured beyond 8086 assembly) [13:14] MinceR why is 16bit unsuitable for unix? [13:14] frog with such little memory, unix multi-user seems not the use-case; z80 is more appropriate for some real-time uController stuff [13:15] MinceR ic [13:15] frog MinceR: 16bit address space, too little RAM, for any practically relevant use-case with multi-user unix [13:15] frog most of the 16bit systems were CP/M or DOS [13:16] frog which is, still important, too Z80 assemble and BASIC are, it's just a different realm of tech with different use-cases [13:19] frog bootstrappable.org too made considerable and highly relevant progress with bootstrapping tcc-toolchain [13:19] frog however, then they switch to GCC/GNU-buildsystem rather early; i will NOT! [13:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [13:21] frog to accomplish this, it is UNAVOIDABLE to detangle GNU entirely. that's the situation. even if i wanted to use some GNU utilities, i can't. [13:21] frog besides, i don't want to anymore. [13:23] TR News "huh, bash 5.1.16(1)-release, at least in Polish translation, has `[-i tekst]` in the command line template in `help read`, but it only corresponds to `-o tekst - uycie TEKSTU jako pocztkowego tekstu dla Readline'a` in the options lis" gemini://g.mikf.pl/tinylog.gmi [13:24] frog tracking _all_ build-time dependencies against GNU (libtool, autoconf/automake, gnu-make, bash) won't be trivial, because i cannot migrate to an alternative build-host yet [13:24] frog at least, the tcc-toolchain system already does boot nicely, with an aarch32 userspace, and only musl-libc remaining which requires GNU binutils [13:25] frog next, i'll wipe and replace _all_ GNU userspace parts which are entangled with GNU-buildsystem [13:26] frog as a bare minimum, of cause, a toybox or suckless.org ubase/sbase must remain, bearssl/bearssl-libtls, catgirl irc, vis-editor, lua script interpreter, make utility, tcc-toolchain [13:27] frog as another milestone, i consider the presence of www-client/lynx; and, very important dev-vcs/git compiled/linked without any GNU-toolchain/buildsystem [13:27] frog i am still thinking, to move my repositories, away from git entirely, and use CVS instead [13:40] *techuser has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:42] schestowitz[TR] cvs ws ok [13:42] schestowitz[TR] I used it in its haydays [13:43] schestowitz[TR] heydays [13:43] MinceR git is so much better [13:43] schestowitz[TR] yes [13:43] schestowitz[TR] but can be hard to manage (admin side) [13:43] schestowitz[TR] to some people, git exists like magic [13:43] schestowitz[TR] in a vacuum [13:43] schestowitz[TR] because they outsourced to microsoft et al [13:44] *techuser (~techuser@xxhnq53u6ui2i.irc) has joined #techrights [13:45] schestowitz[TR] lol: [13:45] schestowitz[TR] even microsoft and gitlab cannot manage it [13:45] schestowitz[TR] how many times did they: [13:45] schestowitz[TR] a) lose data [13:45] schestowitz[TR] b) have prolonged data [13:46] schestowitz[TR] c) failed to fulfil support requests from their fake "customers"? [13:46] schestowitz[TR] microsoft github [13:46] schestowitz[TR] after the ICE protect [13:46] schestowitz[TR] people who tolerate right wing shit [13:46] schestowitz[TR] and racism [13:46] schestowitz[TR] so they end up witrh managers like [13:46] schestowitz[TR] aleex graveley [13:46] schestowitz[TR] plagiarist [13:46] schestowitz[TR] criminal [13:46] schestowitz[TR] drug dealer [13:46] schestowitz[TR] and worse [13:47] schestowitz[TR] annnd his buddies, inc. mr. naked-at-the-party net-a-frienf-man [13:47] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ is cool with these people [13:47] schestowitz[TR] same weirdoes [13:47] schestowitz[TR] many overlaps [13:47] schestowitz[TR] and mutual connections [13:48] frog with CVS, i can maintain my own stuff, but cannot access outside git repositories, of cause, regardless of github or elsewhere [13:49] TR News "Back in 2019 we announced QtHttpServer to the public, now we are extremely happy to introduce a technical preview, starting in Qt 6.4. for this project." https://www.qt.io/blog/how-to-create-a-rest-api-with-qthttpserver [13:49] TR Bot How to create a REST API with QtHttpServer [13:49] frog this, would, at least, require migrating external git repositories to a local CVS too [13:49] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [13:50] *techuser (~techuser@9bsrk9cwiznhk.irc) has joined #techrights [13:50] frog currently, nonthing is blocked by git, and i hope git itself can be compiled/linked _without_ gnu-toolchain/buildsystem involved [13:50] frog in any case, a transition to CVS too might be a precaution, to prevent future trouble with any external software [13:51] frog besides, i need to check any CVS client/server itself can be compiled/linked without GNU involved [13:51] frog in any case, the decision is made, to remove/replace GNU components everywhere; not because of GPL [13:51] schestowitz[TR] wait till yuo find out about the licence... [13:52] schestowitz[TR] GPL-2.0-only [13:52] frog i don't see any problem with it [13:53] schestowitz[TR] gnu is "on the package" [13:53] schestowitz[TR] of git [13:53] frog when i publish any binary anywhere, of cause i will publish sources [13:53] frog the problem is, currently, i cannot publish anything at all [13:53] schestowitz[TR] so what's your intolerance of all of gnu then? [13:53] frog schestowitz[TR]: software quality [13:53] schestowitz[TR] all of it? [13:53] schestowitz[TR] all the gnu developers ever? [13:54] frog no, of cause not; and i don't think it is individual competence of gnu developers at fault either [13:54] frog the GNU-toolchain/buildsystem themeselves, got a systemic issue [13:54] frog one of it, when GNU mentions portability, it implies mainly this: portability towards their system, and remain locked [13:55] frog not by the license, by the toolchain/buildsystem technical qualities [13:55] TR News 165+ JavaScript terms you need to know | https://opensource.com/article/22/9/javascript-glossary Source: Open Source com | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/9/javascript-glossary [13:55] TR Bot JavaScript terms you need to know | Opensource.com [13:55] frog i had enough, when i saw various older configure.in not passing an autoreconf -if anymore, and the perl-5.8 roll-back necessary with tcc-toolchain [13:55] TR News Microbell at it again https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-VCN-Async-Mesa-22.3 [13:55] TR Bot Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix [13:55] frog TECHNICAL reasons, not GPL licensing ones [13:57] frog furthermore, the generated configure scripts and makefiles are, unacceptable, for several reasons [13:57] frog to regenerate those, autoconf/automake are required, which again got severe issues, i am not willing to accept [13:57] frog it is OK, if GNU/FSF accept this, of cause; but too it must be possible, to detangle then, which is what they prevent with their toolchain/buildsystem [13:58] schestowitz-TR thank you for helping my sponsor [13:58] schestowitz-TR which also asks me to booost azure [13:58] schestowitz-TR and helps microsoft foist pluton [13:58] techuser schestowitz[TR]: did you marry because "love" or because it gave you some benefits irl? ● Sep 27 [14:00] schestowitz[TR] love is a benefit [14:00] techuser I think love is a scam [14:01] schestowitz[TR] sometimes it is [14:01] schestowitz[TR] russian women have a reputation for it, I heard [14:01] schestowitz[TR] ukrainian also [14:01] schestowitz[TR] but maybe not at all unique to them [14:01] schestowitz[TR] not sure, never dated a russian [14:01] schestowitz[TR] i chatted to one before [14:01] schestowitz[TR] and she was mostly interested in how much money I was making [14:02] schestowitz[TR] iirc [14:02] techuser I don't believe in love anyway [14:02] schestowitz[TR] british with family from russia [14:02] schestowitz[TR] techuser: your brother won't, either [14:02] schestowitz[TR] after what happened to him [14:02] techuser it makes no sense in this self-destructing world [14:03] schestowitz[TR] if you want love, you can get a pet [14:03] schestowitz[TR] feed them and they will love you [14:03] schestowitz[TR] just don't hurt them [14:04] schestowitz[TR] pets have no concept of moneya dnd on't cheat on you [14:04] techuser so it still depends on food [14:04] schestowitz[TR] yeah [14:04] schestowitz[TR] fish is not expensive [14:04] schestowitz[TR] we changed their water today [14:04] schestowitz[TR] small fish don't need much food [14:04] techuser I'd prefer some AI, but not the way it will be done (for-profit, remote server) [14:05] techuser I want an offline AI [14:05] schestowitz[TR] hey hi is nonsense [14:05] techuser so it can replace socializing [14:05] schestowitz[TR] usually it just means some "logic" [14:05] schestowitz[TR] algorithm with inputs and outputs [14:06] schestowitz[TR] socialising is overrated anyway [14:06] schestowitz[TR] from what I saw [14:06] schestowitz[TR] in 21st century [14:06] schestowitz[TR] it means [14:06] schestowitz[TR] find people you envied [14:06] schestowitz[TR] and then show off to them [14:06] schestowitz[TR] to make them jealous [14:06] schestowitz[TR] and "win" [14:06] schestowitz[TR] that's BS [14:06] schestowitz[TR] it's not social, either [14:06] schestowitz[TR] it's a bunch of insecure a-holes [14:06] schestowitz[TR] using up planetary resources [14:07] schestowitz[TR] Michael's tongue stuck in MIcrosoft's shoe https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-VCN-Async-Mesa-22.3 [14:07] TR Bot Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix [14:07] schestowitz[TR] so glad we dropped him in february this year [14:07] schestowitz[TR] it's getting worse [14:07] techuser dropped whom? [14:08] schestowitz[TR] he now openly invoted corporate money [14:08] techuser and from where [14:08] schestowitz[TR] the gifts don't suffice [14:08] schestowitz[TR] phoronix [14:08] schestowitz[TR] we don't link to them [14:08] schestowitz[TR] except in irc somewtimes, for a laugh.. [14:08] schestowitz[TR] maybe his wifdemands the sellout [14:08] techuser ergo is a shitty IRCd [14:08] schestowitz[TR] it wasn't always this bad [14:08] techuser doesn't support linking [14:09] techuser instead its devilopers focus on IRCv3 shit to destroy IRC [14:10] TR News This is Proprietary Softrware + Openwashing ploy: version 7.2 released, download for free The Register https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/27/onlyoffice_72_released/ [14:10] TR Bot Onlyoffice version 7.2 released, download for free The Register [14:10] schestowitz[TR] techuser: it's funny when you allege this [14:10] schestowitz[TR] you are 18 [14:10] schestowitz[TR] and speak as if you gre up on old IRC [14:10] schestowitz[TR] *grew [14:12] schestowitz[TR] you missed the dalnet/mirc days [14:12] schestowitz[TR] and the awful days [14:12] schestowitz[TR] when you could not scrollback [14:12] schestowitz[TR] and had to dial up [14:12] schestowitz[TR] with a modem [14:12] schestowitz[TR] and could now see channel history [14:12] schestowitz[TR] and could not be always online, either [14:12] schestowitz[TR] too expensive [14:12] schestowitz[TR] and connection not stable [14:12] schestowitz[TR] and you may need the phone line to make call and take incoming calls [14:13] techuser maybe awful days for IRC but they were good days otherwise [14:13] techuser because now evil software expects you to be always connected when you use it [14:13] techuser many programs removed offline help pages [14:14] techuser many programs phone home [14:15] techuser or otherwise waste bandwidth [14:16] TR News Atlantic Council = front group for global espionage mobsters https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/09/new-report-on-iot-security.html [14:16] TR Bot Report on IoT Security - Schneier on Security [14:16] techuser oh, and this IoT shit too [14:16] schestowitz[TR] techuser: true [14:16] schestowitz[TR] i wish people your age all grasped how bad that is [14:17] schestowitz[TR] many of them walk around attacked to a skinnerbox [14:17] schestowitz[TR] techuser: https://levelskip.com/how-to/Skinners-Box-and-Video-Games [14:17] TR Bot Box and Video Games: How to Create Addictive Games - LevelSkip [14:17] schestowitz[TR] this is your geneeration [14:17] schestowitz[TR] and some of mine, too [14:18] techuser I used to play MMO games [14:18] schestowitz[TR] they are very addictive [14:18] schestowitz[TR] and VERY time-consuming [14:18] techuser they are said to be addictive [14:18] TR News Open letter to the ITFlows Consortium: stop tech tools for predicting migration that can be repurposed to violate fundamental rights - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/open-letter-itflows-consortium/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/open-letter-itflows-consortium/ [14:18] TR Bot Open letter to the ITFlows Consortium: stop tech tools for predicting migration that can be repurposed to violate fundamental rights - Access Now [14:18] techuser WoW was released in 2004 [14:18] schestowitz[TR] they neutralise human beings [14:18] techuser so maybe other generations too [14:18] schestowitz[TR] while few steal all the capital and political power [14:19] schestowitz[TR] they 'pacity' the populace [14:19] schestowitz[TR] like sports [14:19] schestowitz[TR] as a spectator thing [14:19] schestowitz[TR] WoW was after warcraft [14:19] schestowitz[TR] warcraft 1 and 2 were fun [14:19] schestowitz[TR] and you could play multiplayer over modem [14:19] schestowitz[TR] which we did sometimes [14:19] schestowitz[TR] ooooor over novell netware [14:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [14:20] schestowitz[TR] warcraft was less addictive [14:20] schestowitz[TR] as there was no scoresheet [14:20] schestowitz[TR] you just wanted to "finish" the game [14:20] schestowitz[TR] spend 2 hours [14:20] schestowitz[TR] go back to homework [14:20] techuser in WoW you can also reach the top level [14:20] schestowitz[TR] nobody judged you [14:21] schestowitz[TR] now we have "Gamers" dying with sleep deficitt [14:21] schestowitz[TR] and getting obese [14:21] schestowitz[TR] it was always an issue [14:21] schestowitz[TR] but now a lot more severe [14:21] schestowitz[TR] or people who never leave the bed [14:21] schestowitz[TR] just staying there with a "smart" phone [14:21] techuser Luis64_gamer exists here [14:21] schestowitz[TR] wasting their lives away [14:21] techuser you can ask him something. Idk what he does mostly. [14:21] schestowitz[TR] yes,, but the nickname does not say much [14:22] schestowitz[TR] playing a gaame in moderation is OK [14:22] schestowitz[TR] like people playing snakes on old nokia phones [14:22] schestowitz[TR] btw, today's games tend to take up a lot of power [14:22] techuser I keep playing repetitive games like solitaire while waiting for IRC messages [14:22] schestowitz[TR] at an age of energy deficit [14:23] schestowitz[TR] you can run old "AAA" games ona raspi [14:23] schestowitz[TR] at 5 watts [14:23] techuser I have no goals in my life [14:23] schestowitz[TR] with AAA batteries [14:23] schestowitz[TR] techuser: you help out in irc [14:23] schestowitz[TR] better than just playing some pointless game [14:23] schestowitz[TR] or working hard [14:23] schestowitz[TR] so someone else can buy 50 pairs of shoes [14:24] techuser I used to be on UplinkIRC, helping random players get on IRc [14:24] techuser *IRC [14:24] schestowitz[TR] and show off to people not seen in person since the 1980s [14:24] techuser but then the admin became crazy SJWs and bans followed, and they started shunning Tor it seems [14:24] techuser so I left [14:24] schestowitz[TR] IRC is a rebellious act8ion [14:24] schestowitz[TR] against corporations that seek to control all the world's communications [14:24] techuser society is self-destructing. There is no help. [14:24] schestowitz[TR] and manipulate those comms [14:24] schestowitz[TR] to "Shape" society [14:24] schestowitz[TR] to their own benefit, not society's [14:25] schestowitz[TR] like the netKKKop we have here [14:25] MinceR i prefer fast-paced FPS-es [14:25] schestowitz[TR] using vile language [14:25] schestowitz[TR] against a CDN exec [14:25] schestowitz[TR] for not censoring sites [14:25] schestowitz[TR] few among hundreds of millions or at least tens of millions [14:25] schestowitz[TR] BTW, that cursing is CoC violation [14:25] schestowitz[TR] don't worry, matttty, I won't report you [14:26] MinceR i can't cast any curses :( [14:26] schestowitz[TR] need mana [14:26] MinceR yeah [14:26] schestowitz[TR] mo mana mo probl;ems [14:27] techuser IRCv3 is ruining IRC [14:27] MinceR no mana mo problems [14:27] techuser we had many revolutions, yet some people start abusing others eventually [14:27] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gUhRKVIjJtw [14:27] TR Bot The Notorious B.I.G. - Mo Money Mo Problems (Official Music Video) [4K] - Invidious [14:27] techuser society can't be saved [14:28] schestowitz[TR] avoid it [14:28] techuser it will self-destruct eventually [14:28] schestowitz[TR] make your subset [14:28] schestowitz[TR] of society [14:28] schestowitz[TR] and make it livable [14:28] MinceR also colonize your own planet so the others don't wipe you out [14:28] schestowitz[TR] but don't impose it on the rest [14:28] schestowitz[TR] that's why passive aggressive bullies do [14:28] schestowitz[TR] taliban and mjg59_ [14:29] TR News PROPRIETARY LTS Qt 6.2.6 Released https://www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released Source: Qt | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.qt.io/blog/commercial-lts-qt-6.2.6-released [14:29] TR Bot Commercial LTS Qt 6.2.6 Released [14:30] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: that's an issue [14:30] schestowitz[TR] notwithstanding [14:30] schestowitz[TR] some cults that insulated themselves from others [14:30] schestowitz[TR] outsiders [14:30] schestowitz[TR] the government came after them [14:30] schestowitz[TR] even if they harmed nobody [14:30] schestowitz[TR] in the amazons the cheeto nazi is attacking the indiginous people [14:31] MinceR i thought that was another nazi [14:31] MinceR bolsonaro [14:32] TR News There is a fist up his back end and he speaks like LF and Gulag want him to. He did not tolerate non-C languages in the kernel before. If he wants more langs, why not C++? Not enough lobbying and blackmail? Or brainwash 'at best'? https://itwire.com/open-source/support-for-rust-will-be-merged-in-6-1-kernel,-says-torvalds.html [14:32] TR Bot - Support for Rust will be merged in 6.1 kernel, says Torvalds [14:33] TR News Rust is 'for security', say corporations and ilk that also told us handing over control to Microsoft, in OUR OWN PC, is "security" [14:34] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: cheato nazi [14:34] schestowitz[TR] he plans to cheap in the upcoming electipnm [14:34] schestowitz[TR] or sic his mob [14:34] schestowitz[TR] like US jan 6 2021 [14:35] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/08/04/tumblr-gets-deep-08-04-22/ [14:35] TR Bot 24 Funny Tumblr Posts That Deserve Your Attention Today [14:36] TR News Redhat.com is now broken. Cannot navigate without proprietary JAVASCRIPT!!! ICBM is killing Red Hat and freedom. At first it was developers.redhat.com. Now more of the main site! [14:37] TR News ICBM got its words confused. They told them Red Hat was Free software, ICBM execs heard "Fuhrer software", got a hard-on. [14:37] schestowitz[TR] activelow also [14:38] schestowitz[TR] working on it.. [14:38] techuser is activelow's current nickname frog? [14:38] schestowitz[TR] yes [14:38] schestowitz[TR] pepe the frag [sic] [14:38] schestowitz[TR] panzer anthem [14:39] schestowitz[TR] he and putin will liberate the "homeland" from invaders... using sixels and stuff [14:40] schestowitz[TR] then they can annex orbanland and conduct a referendum [14:40] schestowitz[TR] with sixel-powered voting machines [14:41] TR News Fractal security audit - Julians Code Corner https://blogs.gnome.org/jsparber/2022/09/27/fractal-security-audit/ Source: Gnome | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blogs.gnome.org/jsparber/2022/09/27/fractal-security-audit/ [14:41] TR Bot Fractal security audit Julian's Code Corner [14:41] schestowitz[TR] techuser: be like goerge https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EkTeZLiNCoM [14:41] TR Bot When you are born in this world, you are given a ticket to the Freak Show - George Carlin - Invidious [14:42] frog the reasoning around sixels and web-browsers was another one: long-term reliable document storage and retrieval, including screen-rendering of text AND illustrations, for scientific publication, and printing support including sixels (or Epson raw bitmap) [14:43] TR News IoT project lifecycle: App-centric software development [Part II] | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/app-centric-software-development Source: Ubuntubuzz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntu.com//blog/app-centric-software-development [14:43] TR Bot project lifecycle: App-centric software development [Part II] | Ubuntu [14:43] frog and there is many reasons, it is better not to clutter any of the required software for this with GNU involved [14:44] frog if anything, GNU had proven, they are neither willing nor capable to provide long-term reliable/stable and standards compliant software [14:44] frog IBM MICROS~1 Wintel aren't any different; however i use free software, and that's what i can talk about [14:45] frog and, it is not fun anymore, to develop software with GNU involved [14:46] frog the defamation contest of FSF and the communities, is just another reasons, to stay away, far away from them [14:46] schestowitz[TR] wait [14:46] frog software quality, tats racist... [14:46] schestowitz[TR] did fsf defame also? [14:47] schestowitz[TR] yes, good code has feelings [14:47] schestowitz[TR] so just merge the bad code [14:47] schestowitz[TR] it'll sort itself out [14:47] frog i don't care who was throwing mud at anyone else [14:47] schestowitz[TR] but don't "defame" the code [14:47] schestowitz[TR] that can crush hearts [14:47] schestowitz[TR] it'll fix itself [14:47] schestowitz[TR] also put Microsoft Trojan horses in Linux [14:47] schestowitz[TR] and Gulag's NSA-friendly cipher [14:47] schestowitz[TR] let it all in [14:47] schestowitz[TR] don't be racist [14:47] MinceR it doesn't need to be fixed, it's "modern" [14:47] schestowitz[TR] haha [14:48] schestowitz[TR] likle, not mature [14:48] schestowitz[TR] with many bugs [14:48] schestowitz[TR] and hey, it's rust [14:48] MinceR it will just remain obviously broken for 11 years and we'll call it "stable" [14:48] schestowitz[TR] so... secure [14:48] schestowitz[TR] magic [14:48] schestowitz[TR] MinceR: in version 250 [14:48] schestowitz[TR] when purtin already rre-=establishes an empire [14:48] MinceR but if something that's simple and works and wasn't updated for 1 year, we'll scream that it's "UNMAINTAINED" and replace it with something "modern" [14:48] schestowitz[TR] like half of asia and half of europe [14:49] schestowitz[TR] x is still maintained [14:49] schestowitz[TR] so let's replace it [14:49] schestowitz[TR] WAY-COOL [14:49] schestowitz[TR] WAy-LAND [14:49] schestowitz[TR] it's broken ? [14:49] MinceR X is apparently maintained by people who don't understand its design :/ [14:49] schestowitz[TR] oh, sorry [14:49] schestowitz[TR] trrry again next release [14:49] schestowitz[TR] repeat for 7 years [14:49] schestowitz[TR] still broken? [14:49] schestowitz[TR] blame developers for not writing their stuff [14:49] schestowitz[TR] for your unnecessary cruft [14:49] schestowitz[TR] those "apps" are not "modern" anyway [14:49] schestowitz[TR] they cannot be found in flathub [14:50] schestowitz[TR] and they use git [14:50] schestowitz[TR] instead of github [14:50] schestowitz[TR] or ven svn [14:50] schestowitz[TR] coming up next: sixel-wayland [14:50] schestowitz[TR] sixeld [14:51] schestowitz[TR] and systemd-sixeld [14:51] schestowitz[TR] with full dbus back end [14:51] MinceR does systemd even compile with tcc? [14:51] schestowitz[TR] xsixel as compatibility layer [14:51] schestowitz[TR] tcc is barely maintained [14:51] schestowitz[TR] bellard left it [14:52] schestowitz[TR] oh, unmaintained [14:52] schestowitz[TR] burn it! [14:52] schestowitz[TR] let microsoft LP make another compiler [14:52] schestowitz[TR] with a "d" in it [14:52] MinceR lol [14:52] schestowitz[TR] gid=group id [14:52] schestowitz[TR] but wait [14:52] MinceR systemd-yourcodeisfucked [14:52] schestowitz[TR] they will make a systemd thing for systemd [14:53] schestowitz[TR] systemctl start gid [14:53] frog systemd is far less problematic, because it can be removed; dbus is worse, due to this, GNOME/GTK are practically absent [14:53] schestowitz[TR] gid checkout [14:53] frog and far worse then GTK, which can be removed, and retain a a *nix workstation system... [14:54] frog GNU-toolchain and buildsystem... this is the worst [14:54] frog you can't detangle from this, you will loose almost everything [14:54] TR News Stop the EUMigraTool rollout: predictive AI systems have no place in EU migration policies - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/eumigratool-predictive-ai-systems-eu/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/eumigratool-predictive-ai-systems-eu/ [14:54] TR Bot Stop the EUMigraTool rollout: predictive AI systems have no place in EU migration policies - Access Now [14:54] frog to compile a linux kernel, requires a roll-back to v2.4! [14:55] TR News Joint statement: civil society welcomes independent human rights assessment on Metas content moderation in Palestine and Israel - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/statement-meta-human-rights-palestine-israel/ Source: AccessNow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/statement-meta-human-rights-palestine-israel/ [14:55] TR Bot Joint statement: civil society welcomes independent human rights assessment on Meta's content moderation in Palestine and Israel - Access Now [14:55] frog wait, for this you got rust and c++ inside kernel, llvm/clang, problem solved. [14:56] frog this evening, i will track and remove _all_ dependencies of GNU buildsystem and Perl [14:56] TR News When Zuckerface filters the world's communications or a lot of the interaction between people is piped through his interference, censorship and propaganda pipeline https://www.accessnow.org/bsr-findings-meta-palestinian-rights/ [14:56] TR Bot Metas actions adversely impacted Palestinians rights: Access Now welcomes BSR findings - Access Now [14:57] frog toybox userspace is still there, then i hope my dmux desktop environment will (it is mostly suckless.org stuff) [14:57] frog then next, git and cvs, lynx browser, catgirl irc client... i am almost certain i won't have mutt mailer anymore [14:58] frog meaning, i'll have to keep the frozen/archived gcc47/GNU profile for a little while, no big deal, it just remains frozen as it is [14:59] TR News vkd3d: Import upstream release 1.5. https://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commit/c3025582fd5be155ce8231ccce4d69916856dec7 [14:59] TR Bot Git - wine.git/commit [14:59] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:59] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 16.76 k/sec., IPFS upstream 94.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 111.20 ● Sep 27 [15:10] TR News redhat.com increasingly required PROPRIETARY JavaScript just to access! [15:11] TR News Get change alerts from any website with this open source tool | https://opensource.com/article/22/9/changedetection-io-open-source-website-changes Source: ICBM | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//opensource.com/article/22/9/changedetection-io-open-source-website-changes [15:11] TR Bot change alerts from any website with this open source tool | Opensource.com [15:11] MinceR (audio:music) https://apina.biz/192196.mp4?mode=sfw [15:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/192196.mp4 [15:12] TR News Red Hat has lost a lot of bright people https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/9/it-interview-questions-innovation [15:12] TR Bot 5 interview questions to detect an IT innovator | The Enterprisers Project [15:13] TR News ICBM is killing Fedora. No people -> no Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) issues. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/call-for-proposals-fwd-2022/ [15:13] TR Bot Call for Proposals: FWD 2022 Fedora Community Blog [15:13] TR News ICBM: we helped Hitler, now we pretend to be WOKE, we impose CoC, going broke [15:14] TR News Shutdown of Peertube.co.uk one after another indie video hosting site https://dwaves.de/2022/09/27/shutdown-of-peertube-co-uk-one-after-another-indie-video-hosting-site/ "increasingly harsher rules and regulations" [15:14] TR Bot Shutdown of Peertube.co.uk one after another indie video hosting site | dwaves.de [15:15] TR News mjg and ilk vs dweb: "Additionally, the proposed UK Online Safety Bill, if enacted, will make it almost impossible to host a site such as Peertube in the UK. This bill makes publishers, with the exception of large media companies, liable for the content hosted on their platform..." https://dwaves.de/2022/09/27/shutdown-of-peertube-co-uk-one-after-another-indie-video-hosting-site/ [15:16] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:17] TR News "so this is it? another video hosting (besides youtube) site shutting down? Predict the shutdown of vimeo.com." https://dwaves.de/2022/09/27/shutdown-of-peertube-co-uk-one-after-another-indie-video-hosting-site/ [15:17] TR News "Because their model (probably) wont fly as far as the constant advertisement streams of Alphabets Googles Youtube (they are testing up to 10x advertisement clips in front of every video which is just sick & insane)" https://dwaves.de/2022/09/27/shutdown-of-peertube-co-uk-one-after-another-indie-video-hosting-site/ [15:18] schestowitz[TR] guess who else wants to hold platforms liable and worse [15:18] schestowitz[TR] even holding a large CDN liable [15:18] schestowitz[TR] maybe next they will sue "the internets" [15:18] schestowitz[TR] for being ""nazos" [15:18] schestowitz[TR] *nazis" [15:18] schestowitz[TR] but they will stay online regardless [15:19] schestowitz[TR] online "support network" [15:19] schestowitz[TR] meanwhile kiwi irc is still broken [15:19] schestowitz[TR] almost 2 days now [15:19] schestowitz[TR] no idea why [15:19] schestowitz[TR] maybe it's not coming back, either [15:20] schestowitz[TR] mibbit is spying on people [15:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [15:20] schestowitz[TR] which is why original freenode umped it [15:20] schestowitz[TR] *dumped [15:21] TR News Kernel 5.15.70 with simplefb https://bkhome.org/news/202209/kernel-51570-with-simplefb.html but it's older than 2.4 so herr sixel won't tolerate it anyhow [15:21] TR Bot Kernel 5.15.70 with simplefb [15:21] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [15:21] *techuser (~techuser@4fs59tyu6ppds.irc) has joined #techrights [15:22] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@22agg6qj8dxhg.irc) has joined #techrights [15:22] TR News "I will not be looking to hand over the service to another host" https://blog.peertube.co.uk/ [15:22] TR Bot Shutdown of Peertube.co.uk | Peertube UK Blog [15:23] TR News WWW = where the age of a URL is like the lifetime of a bee [15:23] TR News ...and Internet Archive faces lawsuits for 'daring' to extend the life of links with the Wayback Machine [15:24] TR News linuxlinks back to posting webspam and SEO spam. Fake 'articles'. The next site to go defunct completely? https://www.linuxlinks.com/approaches-teaching-literature/ [15:24] TR Bot Approaches to Teaching Literature - LinuxLinks [15:25] TR News Bartomiej Piotrowski: Enforcing pull request workflow and green CI status of PRs on Flathub repositories https://barthalion.blog/enforcing-pull-request-workflow-and-green-ci-status-of-prs-on-flathub-repositories/ [15:25] TR Bot Enforcing pull request workflow and green CI status of PRs on Flathub repositories [15:31] *techuser has quit (connection closed) [15:32] *techuser (~techuser@5vbfskck6cexy.irc) has joined #techrights [15:35] schestowitz[TR] techuser: watch https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EkTeZLiNCoM [15:35] TR Bot When you are born in this world, you are given a ticket to the Freak Show - George Carlin - Invidious [15:36] TR News Interpol seeks arrest of failed crypto-firm boss Do Kwon - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63033262 Source: BBC | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63033262 [15:36] TR Bot Interpol seeks arrest of failed crypto-firm boss Do Kwon - BBC News [15:38] *gde33 (~gde33@84-106-154-98.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl) has joined #techrights [15:46] TR News (NEW): Project Caviar http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Project_Caviar.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Project_Caviar.gmi [15:46] TR Bot Tux Machines Project Caviar [15:49] TR News (NEW): Security: Optus, GNOME, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Security_Optus_GNOME_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Security_Optus_GNOME_and_More.gmi [15:49] TR Bot Tux Machines Security: Optus, GNOME, and More [15:51] *frog has quit (Quit: laters) [15:52] TR News (NEW): Programming Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Programming_Leftovers.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Programming_Leftovers.1.gmi [15:52] TR Bot Tux Machines Programming Leftovers ● Sep 27 [16:01] TR News (NEW): Devices: Canonical, Raspberry Pi, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Hacking_on_hardware.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Hacking_on_hardware.gmi [16:01] TR Bot Tux Machines Devices: Canonical, Raspberry Pi, and More [16:09] *frog (~frog@6v8cjbvydcdre.irc) has joined #techrights [16:12] *starstreak (~starstreak@muarsy2vret2q.irc) has joined #techrights [16:13] starstreak and britney is cool with me <- im cool with you but not cool with daemonfc, he is transphobic [16:13] schestowitz[TR] I understand [16:14] starstreak i put him on ignore lol [16:15] schestowitz[TR] yeah [16:15] schestowitz[TR] or you can confront [16:15] starstreak he can't go a day without being transphobic so ill unignore him and less than a day later he is spewing hate again [16:15] schestowitz[TR] to prove him wrong [16:15] TR News (NEW): Fedora Family / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Fedora_Family_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Fedora_Family_Red_Hat_IBM_Leftovers.gmi [16:15] TR Bot Tux Machines Fedora Family / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers [16:15] starstreak you can't argue with daemonfc and his walls of text, he just ignores it [16:19] TR News Links 27/09/2022: CRUX 3.7 Released and Project Caviar | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/27/project-caviar/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/27/project-caviar/ [16:19] TR Bot Links 27/09/2022: CRUX 3.7 Released and Project Caviar | Techrights [16:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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My newest Forth keeps heads elsewhere, so it is perfectly legal to run into the next-defined word." gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~stack/gemlog/2022-09-27.2xforth.gmi [16:24] TR News Here I Lie With Truth Here I Lie With Truth [16:24] TR News Here I Lie With Truth gemini://gemini.ctrl-c.club/~scientiac/poems/here_i_lie_with_truth.gmi [16:25] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.1.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.1.gmi [16:25] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [16:25] TR News (NEW): Kernel: simplefb Support, Rust Bloat, and Linux Optimised for 386 and 48 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Kernel_simplefb_Support_Rust_Bloat_and_Linux_Optimised_for_386_.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Kernel_simplefb_Support_Rust_Bloat_and_Linux_Optimised_for_386_.gmi [16:25] TR Bot Tux Machines Kernel: simplefb Support, Rust Bloat, and Linux Optimised for 386 and 48 [16:25] TR News (NEW): BSD: EuroBSDCon Event and OpenBSD Services http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BSD_EuroBSDCon_Event_and_OpenBSD_Services.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BSD_EuroBSDCon_Event_and_OpenBSD_Services.gmi [16:25] TR Bot Tux Machines BSD: EuroBSDCon Event and OpenBSD Services [16:26] TR News (NEW): Free Software Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/foss_stuff.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/foss_stuff.gmi [16:26] TR Bot Tux Machines Free Software Leftovers [16:27] TR News Microsoft quality https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/09/27/ms-sql-servers-hacked-ransomware/ [16:27] TR Bot MS SQL servers are getting hacked to deliver ransomware to orgs - Help Net Security [16:28] TR News Why async Rust https://blog.yoshuawuyts.com/why-async-rust/ [16:28] TR Bot Why Async Rust [16:31] starstreak https://debugpointnews.com/no-pop-os-22-10/ [16:31] TR Bot reply from server ( status 0 @ https://debugpointnews.com/no-pop-os-22-10/ ) [16:31] schestowitz[TR] rust bs [16:33] starstreak whats wrong with rust? [16:33] MinceR trademark policy, MICROS~1 control, "move fast and break things" [16:34] MinceR it's also pushed as a C++ replacement, but it's not capable enough [16:34] starstreak i once had a chat with someone who said that golang sucked because it wasn't rust [16:34] MinceR yes, stupid people exist [16:34] MinceR golang sucks because it's a bondage-and-discipline language [16:34] starstreak fair enough [16:34] MinceR which reminds me [16:34] MinceR rust sucks because it's a bondage-and-discipline language [16:34] starstreak i didn't know microsoft controlled rust [16:35] starstreak my first thought is, whats the point of buying a book on rust if they move fast and break things [16:39] MinceR monitor support [16:39] MinceR kindling [16:39] MinceR weapon against arthropods [16:40] MinceR books on rust are surprisingly versatile! [16:48] *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights [16:59] MinceR (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/TQF0wys [16:59] TR Bot I think I've been adopted. What now. - rimgo [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.53 k/sec., IPFS upstream 77.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 123.75 ● Sep 27 [17:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. 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Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [18:34] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@ha7wkf69s3ddk.irc) has joined #techrights [18:35] techuser hi [18:38] highest_cubist_thrills my first thought is, whats the point of buying a book on rust if they move fast and break things <- s/buying a book on\ // [18:38] highest_cubist_thrills the point is to control projects written in itthe point is to control projects written in it [18:38] highest_cubist_thrills the point of everything microsoft does is to control users and control competition [18:38] highest_cubist_thrills rust fits right in with that [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills its not a programming language, its a webapi in programming languages clothing-- your program is broken, make these changes [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills fuck freedom 1, fuck freedom 3, you want to play, play by our rules [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills rust controls software written in rust [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills to a lesser degree, python 3 does the same [18:39] highest_cubist_thrills to an INSIGNIFICANT degree, all non-standardised languages have the potential to do this [18:40] highest_cubist_thrills but you can weaponise it, do it significantly, and rust is the king of this [18:40] highest_cubist_thrills you buy a computer, its already obsolete, you write a program in rust [18:40] highest_cubist_thrills its already broken [18:40] highest_cubist_thrills gee thats a nice program you got there [18:41] highest_cubist_thrills be a shame if upstream came along and broke it. AGAIN. [18:42] highest_cubist_thrills "we make [developers] paint [their] face and dance"-- john lennon [18:42] highest_cubist_thrills then wonder why if they dont love us! [18:44] highest_cubist_thrills when languages have real standards, this isnt a yoke, the yoke is broken [18:44] highest_cubist_thrills c++, fucking mess that it is, as far as i know doesnt really do this to people [18:44] highest_cubist_thrills taking 20 years to break something no one uses is standard as fuck [18:45] highest_cubist_thrills rust is the opposite of this-- as far as i know its the worst language about this in existence, certainly among languages relevant to free software [18:49] highest_cubist_thrills but if something that's simple and works and wasn't updated for 1 year, we'll scream that it's "UNMAINTAINED" and replace it with something "modern" <- yeah because software has to be taken over [18:50] highest_cubist_thrills writing software thats stable and hasnt had real problems in a year, that doesnt benefit microsoft in the long run [18:50] highest_cubist_thrills breaking software to the point where it gathers bugs that create actual crises for users and stability, so that corporations can swoop in to save the day [18:51] highest_cubist_thrills microsoft is the like the proverbial (and sadly, existant) fireman that sets a fire so he can "heroically" put it out [18:51] highest_cubist_thrills gee thats a nice project you got there [18:51] highest_cubist_thrills be a shame if someone had to set it ablaze so we could sell our anti-fire services [18:52] highest_cubist_thrills rust is a treadmill [18:54] highest_cubist_thrills even worse, is that not only does this technical abomination exist [18:54] highest_cubist_thrills but it creates a new normal of shit being broken-- or rather an old normal [18:55] highest_cubist_thrills free software ALLOWED people to develop tools for making software that didnt yoke them to the self-serving whims of corporations [18:55] highest_cubist_thrills github, wildly anti-standard "languages" (clownapis) like rust [18:56] highest_cubist_thrills recreate microsoft culture: every project is at war with every other project, just like the departments at microsoft (under ballmer) were constantly trying to fuck each other [18:57] highest_cubist_thrills free software becomes a huge civil war-- gnome fucks xfce, rust fucks everything written in it, users form mobs to take out leaders [18:57] highest_cubist_thrills every project is toxic now-- in a VERY deliberately corporate way [18:57] highest_cubist_thrills its not just the technology thats been taken over [18:57] highest_cubist_thrills the culture has been gutted, spliced, re-educated [18:58] highest_cubist_thrills and rust totally accomplishes at least part of that [18:58] highest_cubist_thrills war is peace, freedom is slavery, forever broken is well-maintained [18:58] highest_cubist_thrills rust is a disease [18:58] schestowitz[TR] MinceR> books on rust are surprisingly versatile! [18:58] schestowitz[TR] just what Linus needs [18:58] highest_cubist_thrills nothing is better maintained than systemd [18:58] schestowitz[TR] rust is a fad [18:59] schestowitz[TR] who will maintain that junk? [18:59] highest_cubist_thrills i mean, you have to basically get out and push just to keep it in the air [18:59] schestowitz[TR] so many people resigned from the core team and other teams thius past year [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 32.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 128.08 [18:59] highest_cubist_thrills so LOTS of people are maintaining the fuck out of it [18:59] schestowitz[TR] SJVN: this is what LF pays me to say we need [18:59] highest_cubist_thrills so many people resigned from the core team and other teams thius past year <- oh well thats the other thing [18:59] schestowitz[TR] sign of health! ● Sep 27 [19:00] schestowitz[TR] it moves so fast [19:00] schestowitz[TR] like mjg59_ moves from one job to the next [19:00] highest_cubist_thrills when your m.o. is to break everything that actually worked [19:00] schestowitz[TR] yesh [19:00] highest_cubist_thrills its a lot easier to drag people from one broken one-solution-fits-all to another one [19:00] schestowitz[TR] matlab CAN be like this [19:00] schestowitz[TR] major overhauls too often [19:00] schestowitz[TR] no worry [19:00] schestowitz[TR] just keep LICENSIJNG the latyest version [19:00] highest_cubist_thrills so when they get tired of systemd, strap in, its time for users to have no choice "again" [19:00] schestowitz[TR] and pray the licence server stays up [19:00] highest_cubist_thrills youll use what microsoft fucking tells you [19:01] highest_cubist_thrills and youll fucking LOVE it [19:01] highest_cubist_thrills or youre a bigot / neckbeard / greybeard [19:01] schestowitz[TR] coming soon rust 2 [19:01] schestowitz[TR] 3 [19:01] schestowitz[TR] 4 [19:01] schestowitz[TR] 5 [19:01] schestowitz[TR] 6 [19:01] schestowitz[TR] 6... [19:01] schestowitz[TR] 1365 [19:01] highest_cubist_thrills no apologies to sikhs for "neckbeard" [19:01] schestowitz[TR] 136 [19:01] schestowitz[TR] seen that before [19:01] schestowitz[TR] rust release every 6 weeks [19:02] schestowitz[TR] becaue last release had bugs [19:02] schestowitz[TR] new one has fewer KNOWN bugs [19:02] schestowitz[TR] and 5,000 new lines of code [19:02] highest_cubist_thrills rust: BOHICA [19:02] schestowitz[TR] lines removed: 5 [19:02] schestowitz[TR] to fix 5 bugs in 5 weeks [19:02] highest_cubist_thrills systemd: BOHICA [19:02] highest_cubist_thrills the great thing about linux being recreated in rusts image of course [19:03] highest_cubist_thrills is that linux will finally die [19:03] schestowitz[TR] Microsoft media: [19:03] schestowitz[TR] there is a new Linux hole [19:03] schestowitz[TR] it's actually systemd bug [19:03] highest_cubist_thrills the bad thing about this of course [19:03] schestowitz[TR] but we can call it "Linux" [19:03] schestowitz[TR] soon: same for rust [19:03] highest_cubist_thrills is that when they use it to kill linux (the kernel) [19:03] schestowitz[TR] Linux has a major hole [19:03] schestowitz[TR] you: but.. this is a RUST hole [19:03] schestowitz[TR] them: yes, but Linus uses rust [19:03] highest_cubist_thrills linux is a major hole, and its made by major holes [19:03] schestowitz[TR] patch immediatelyu! [19:03] schestowitz[TR] polkit is linus [19:04] schestowitz[TR] rust is linus [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills is that when they use it to kill linux (the kernel) <- they will also get people to kill everything (slight exaggeration, doesnt matter) [19:04] schestowitz[TR] i keep typing linus instead of linux [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills PORD <- patch or repair daily [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills i keep typing linus instead of linux <- its "linucks" [19:04] schestowitz[TR] btw [19:04] schestowitz[TR] basically [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills yes [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills its linucks btw [19:04] schestowitz[TR] attack surface! [19:04] schestowitz[TR] starstreak: [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills attack surface! <- ew [19:04] highest_cubist_thrills its not cute when you do it [19:05] highest_cubist_thrills certainly less so [19:05] schestowitz[TR] attack Micosoft(RM) Surface(TM) [19:05] highest_cubist_thrills you can try it on mjg though [19:05] TR News (NEW): Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 Is Out for Your Phone and Tablet with a New Default Homescreen http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_Is_Out_for_Your_Phone_and_Tablet.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Plasma_Mobile_Gear_22_09_Is_Out_for_Your_Phone_and_Tablet.gmi [19:05] highest_cubist_thrills you both need to get it out of your system [19:05] TR Bot Tux Machines Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 Is Out for Your Phone and Tablet with a New Default Homescreen [19:07] TR News Linux SERVICE PACK 1 by Canonical https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-announces-ubuntu-22-04-lts-support-for-flexran-reference-software [19:07] TR Bot Announces Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Support for FlexRAN Reference Software | Ubuntu [19:08] TR News Microsoft as a Service.. for National 'Security' Boot Agency [19:09] TR News How open-source data labeling technology can mitigate bias | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/ai/how-open-source-data-labeling-technology-can-mitigate-bias/ Source: Venture Beat | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//venturebeat.com/ai/how-open-source-data-labeling-technology-can-mitigate-bias/ [19:09] TR Bot open-source data labeling technology can mitigate bias | VentureBeat [19:10] TR News Count elevator passengers with the Nicla Vision and Edge Impulse | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/count-elevator-passengers-with-the-nicla-vision-and-edge-impulse/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/count-elevator-passengers-with-the-nicla-vision-and-edge-impulse/ [19:10] TR Bot Count elevator passengers with the Nicla Vision and Edge Impulse | Arduino Blog [19:11] TR News Standalone Arduino Nano RP2040 Connect-controlled computer runs BASIC for IoT development | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/standalone-arduino-nano-rp2040-connect-controlled-computer-runs-basic-for-iot-development/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/standalone-arduino-nano-rp2040-connect-controlled-computer-runs-basic-for-iot-dev [19:11] TR Bot Standalone Arduino Nano RP2040 Connect-controlled computer runs BASIC for IoT development | Arduino Blog [19:17] TR News (NEW): Saving Money with Linux: Computer Off, No Power Usage? http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Saving_Money_with_Linux_Computer_Off_No_Power_Usage.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Saving_Money_with_Linux_Computer_Off_No_Power_Usage.gmi [19:17] TR Bot Tux Machines Saving Money with Linux: Computer Off, No Power Usage? 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[19:27] starstreak Linucks [19:27] schestowitz[TR] man with mic meme [19:28] starstreak "I'm your worst nightmare" -ESR [19:29] TR News OSGeoLive 15 is out. Web site not updated yet https://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html [19:29] TR Bot Welcome to OSGeoLive 14.0 OSGeoLive 14.0 Documentation [19:30] schestowitz[TR] what ever happened to the people who canceled ESR? [19:30] schestowitz[TR] They vanished [19:30] schestowitz[TR] doing nothing [19:30] schestowitz[TR] people realised they're doing nothing [19:30] schestowitz[TR] and so the world moved on [19:30] schestowitz[TR] they're disposables [19:31] schestowitz[TR] maybe that's the right word for them [19:31] schestowitz[TR] "disposables" [19:31] schestowitz[TR] corporations use them [19:31] schestowitz[TR] and then throiw them away [19:31] schestowitz[TR] like suicide bombers [19:31] schestowitz[TR] in radical movements [19:32] TR News LiLyGo T-SIMCAM ESP32-S3 camera development board supports optional 4G LTE connectivity - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/27/lilygo-t-simcam-esp32-s3-cam-development-board-4g-lte/ Source: CNX Software | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.cnx-software.com/2022/09/27/lilygo-t-simcam-esp32-s3-cam-development-board-4g-lte/ [19:32] TR Bot LiLyGo T-SIMCAM ESP32-S3 camera development board supports optional 4G LTE connectivity - CNX Software [19:32] TR News Useless junk, fake security, usually also surveillance https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-nfc-apps-for-android/ [19:32] TR Bot Top 5 Best NFC Apps for Android Devices in 2022 [19:33] TR News Always-working NFC, anonymous too: CASH [19:34] TR News Power Efficiency?????????? THIS??????????????? Are we on the same planet? https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/593013165/amd-launches-ryzen-embedded-v3000-series-processors-delivering-new-levels-of-performance-and-power-efficiency-for-always-on-storage-and-networking [19:34] TR Bot AMD Launches Ryzen Embedded V3000 Series Processors Delivering New Levels of Performance and Power Efficiency for Always-On Storage and Networking - EIN Presswire [19:35] psydroid2 AMDPOWER [19:35] TR News AMD: "POWER EFFICIENCY!!!" .... "35-54W... 35-54W ...." Yeah!!! Some efficiency!! [19:35] schestowitz[TR] psydroid2: https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/593013165/amd-launches-ryzen-embedded-v3000-series-processors-delivering-new-levels-of-performance-and-power-efficiency-for-always-on-storage-and-networking [19:35] schestowitz[TR] only 54 [19:35] schestowitz[TR] a bulb, a bright one, can take 20 or 40 [19:36] schestowitz[TR] this isnjust the CPU [19:36] schestowitz[TR] not the rest of the unity [19:36] schestowitz[TR] *unit [19:36] schestowitz[TR] not GPU, either [19:36] schestowitz[TR] no screen, no peripherals [19:36] psydroid2 schestowitz[TR], I talked to some people about it yesterday including a hardware person who has been designing boards for embedded systems and servers [19:36] psydroid2 he seems to agree with me that this is the end of x86 [19:37] psydroid2 and that is a legacy platform that will end up in servers [19:37] TR News Ubuntu is not an "invention"; it's Debian with another name and some staff that customises it. https://www.thesouthafrican.com/technology/five-south-african-it-inventions-that-changed-the-world-breaking-27-september-2022/ [19:37] TR Bot Five South African IT inventions that changed the world [19:37] psydroid2 I have no plans to ever buy this hardware [19:37] psydroid2 the previous generation of AMD CPUs is much cheaper and uses less power [19:38] schestowitz[TR] some still exist [19:38] schestowitz[TR] over time they do feature churb, bloat [19:38] schestowitz[TR] more cores [19:38] schestowitz[TR] more power [19:38] psydroid2 so if you do have that compatibility requirement get that older and much cheaper generation [19:38] schestowitz[TR] and they never stop and think how to make things leaner [19:38] schestowitz[TR] no financial incentive to [19:38] schestowitz[TR] then risc comes along [19:38] schestowitz[TR] with mips [19:38] schestowitz[TR] and they take over a while new range of devices [19:38] schestowitz[TR] tablets, "smart""" phones [19:38] schestowitz[TR] SBCs [19:38] schestowitz[TR] then Intel makes "Atom" [19:39] schestowitz[TR] to retrofit bad design to small things [19:39] schestowitz[TR] and it doesn't work out [19:39] psydroid2 he also said cheap is what will rule the future of hardware [19:39] schestowitz[TR] a 35 pound SBC [19:39] schestowitz[TR] becomes $200 NUC or similar [19:39] psydroid2 and we have been seeing this is in SBCs and IoT hardware [19:39] schestowitz[TR] x86 companies: [19:39] schestowitz[TR] but it can run Windows [19:39] psydroid2 what is the worst part is that the Intel hardware doesn't perform any better [19:39] schestowitz[TR] Phoronix funded by AMD: thanks Microsoft!! [19:40] psydroid2 https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/22/arm-is-the-new-risc-unix-risc-v-is-the-new-arm/ [19:40] TR Bot Arm Is The New RISC/Unix, RISC-V Is The New Arm [19:40] schestowitz[TR] today: https://www.phoronix.com/news/RadeonSI-VCN-Async-Mesa-22.3 [19:40] TR Bot Microsoft: RadeonSI Enables Async VA-API For Faster Video Acceleration - Phoronix [19:40] schestowitz[TR] phronix has just done THREE Intel articles in a ROW [19:40] psydroid2 when he isn't being a prick he can write some sensible articles [19:41] schestowitz[TR] with their BROCHURES [19:41] schestowitz[TR] the meat of the articles is their BROCHURES [19:41] schestowitz[TR] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Arc-A770-October [19:41] TR Bot Arc Graphics A770 Launching 12 October For $329 USD - Phoronix [19:41] schestowitz[TR] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Core-13th-Gen-Raptor-Lake [19:41] TR Bot Announces 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" - Linux Benchmarks To Come - Phoronix [19:41] schestowitz[TR] https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-On-Demand-Xeon-SDSi-SPR [19:41] TR Bot Confirms "On Demand" Upgrades With Sapphire Rapids (Software Defined Silicon) - Phoronix [19:41] *schestowitz[TR] scratches head [19:41] psydroid2 PhoRonix [19:41] schestowitz[TR] how is this about LINUX??? [19:42] schestowitz[TR] https://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=2022&image=arc_graphics_october [19:42] schestowitz[TR] ad? [19:42] schestowitz[TR] or article feature image? [19:42] psydroid2 the former [19:42] schestowitz[TR] ;launch date [19:42] schestowitz[TR] price.. [19:42] schestowitz[TR] lol, $329 [19:42] schestowitz[TR] just for a tiny processor [19:42] schestowitz[TR] sorry, GPU [19:42] psydroid2 you can buy a few systems at this price [19:42] schestowitz[TR] that performs VERY poorly [19:42] schestowitz[TR] compared to the competition [19:43] schestowitz[TR] people told Michael that... in the forums [19:43] psydroid2 I know I never spent more than 100 on a discrete GPU [19:43] psydroid2 the number one requirement being that it works with free drivers [19:43] schestowitz[TR] the above 3 links are in a row [19:43] schestowitz[TR] Intel, Intel, Intel [19:43] schestowitz[TR] price and availability marketing shots [19:43] psydroid2 it's just my two high-end laptops have Nvidia graphics [19:43] schestowitz[TR] maybe he takes it in both holes now [19:43] schestowitz[TR] Intela nd AMD [19:43] schestowitz[TR] x86 is the same though [19:43] schestowitz[TR] it's homogenic [19:44] psydroid2 I don't know if you saw that presentation by Krste Asanovi that I linked yesterday [19:44] schestowitz[TR] nvidia is bad also, but it's in the same category [19:44] schestowitz[TR] of billions of transisitors [19:44] schestowitz[TR] they don't even design it like that [19:44] schestowitz[TR] they just 'copy-paste the same units [19:45] schestowitz[TR] to make a massive wafer [19:45] schestowitz[TR] and rely on small mm processes [19:45] schestowitz[TR] and make more and more of the same [19:45] schestowitz[TR] to multiply power usage, too [19:45] psydroid2 the future for Nvidia is also the enterprise [19:45] schestowitz[TR] if they had sonwe low mm processses [19:45] schestowitz[TR] and kept it simple [19:45] psydroid2 they are alienating their customer base on the client side [19:45] schestowitz[TR] eleganet systems too [19:45] schestowitz[TR] they could keep wattage near 1 watt [19:46] schestowitz[TR] nvidia markets itself like this now [19:46] schestowitz[TR] they use the wqord "workload" [19:46] schestowitz[TR] and "industrial" [19:46] psydroid2 it makes me wonder if it is ignorance or malice that is at the root of this hunger for power [19:46] schestowitz[TR] that'''s like judging germany heavy machinery by the weight [19:46] schestowitz[TR] rather than function [19:46] schestowitz[TR] 50tonne presser [19:46] psydroid2 it may still fly in the US, but in Europe this becoming a big no [19:46] schestowitz[TR] part of it is waste [19:47] schestowitz[TR] they are accustomed to cheeap energy [19:47] schestowitz[TR] and then build accordingly [19:47] schestowitz[TR] like plasmsa TVs [19:47] *schestowitz[TR] checks [19:47] schestowitz[TR] EU banned them [19:47] schestowitz[TR] https://www.technology.gelsonluz.com/2022/05/how-much-electricity-does-plasma-tv-use.html [19:47] TR Bot How much electricity does a TV use (Plasma, LED, LCD and CRT) [19:47] schestowitz[TR] 24-inch TV: uses about 20W watts. [19:47] psydroid2 someone in the EU must find a clue [19:47] schestowitz[TR] 50-inch TV: needs 77 watts. [19:47] schestowitz[TR] 55-inch TV: uses 98.6 watts. [19:47] psydroid2 at least I hope so [19:47] schestowitz[TR] "For example, a CRT TV may need 3.4 watts per screen inch, while a plasma TV will need more than 9.4 watts per inch. [19:47] schestowitz[TR] " [19:47] schestowitz[TR] !!! [19:47] schestowitz[TR] wow!!! [19:48] schestowitz[TR] no wodner eu banned that [19:48] schestowitz[TR] sort ofg [19:48] schestowitz[TR] *of [19:48] schestowitz[TR] even before the energy deficits [19:48] schestowitz[TR] and now we have a blown gas pipe [19:48] schestowitz[TR] who knows what happens next [19:48] schestowitz[TR] rolling blackouts? [19:48] schestowitz[TR] 5-inch plasma=300 watts [19:48] schestowitz[TR] 300!! [19:48] schestowitz[TR] 42-inch plasma: 220 watts [19:49] TR News Pwndrop on Linode | Linux Journal https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/pwndrop-linode Source: Linux Journal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.linuxjournal.com/content/pwndrop-linode [19:49] TR Bot Pwndrop on Linode | Linux Journal [19:50] schestowitz[TR] /s/5/50/ [19:50] schestowitz[TR] we build and buy products for showoff [19:50] schestowitz[TR] based on false assumption of energy price and availability [19:50] psydroid2 I already said so many years ago [19:50] schestowitz[TR] me: what happens if the price quadruples? [19:50] schestowitz[TR] then what/ [19:50] schestowitz[TR] who wqould buy iut from you??? [19:50] psydroid2 my first PC had a Pentium 200 MMX and didn't make much noise or dissipated a lot of heat [19:51] psydroid2 then I got a desktop with an AMD Athlon and years later the Loongson desktop [19:51] schestowitz[TR] I had 166 mmx [19:51] psydroid2 I really liked that latter machine, but there was no follow up [19:51] schestowitz[TR] the fan made some sound [19:51] schestowitz[TR] but fans are just rotational [19:52] schestowitz[TR] they even scatter some heat inside the room [19:52] psydroid2 so it took another decade until I got my first ARM SBC in 2017 [19:52] schestowitz[TR] I still use Athlon [19:52] schestowitz[TR] Intel Celeron becomes "Intel PRocessor" [19:52] schestowitz[TR] because the brand got toxic [19:53] schestowitz[TR] associate with really really bad [19:53] schestowitz[TR] and unfit for anything [19:53] schestowitz[TR] just takes up lots of power [19:53] schestowitz[TR] no reason to really manufacture those [19:53] schestowitz[TR] Atom is dead those [19:53] schestowitz[TR] well, it's dead [19:53] schestowitz[TR] so they now have "Intel Processor" [19:53] schestowitz[TR] generic name [19:53] schestowitz[TR] "Colllgate Toothpaste" [19:53] psydroid2 I gave that Athlon machine to my sister when I built a new desktop with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 and later one with an AMD Phenom X4 [19:53] psydroid2 those are collecting dust now, because it doesn't make sense to run them anymore [19:54] schestowitz[TR] "What PC are you using?" [19:54] schestowitz[TR] "Acer Laptop" [19:54] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [19:54] schestowitz[TR] "yes, but which model? [19:54] schestowitz[TR] Acer(R) Laptop(TM) [19:55] MinceR it probably has an Intel(R) Processor(TM) [19:55] TR News Understanding the "fork bomb" an 11 character string that can crash Windows, Mac, or Linux machines | Boing Boing https://boingboing.net/2022/09/27/understanding-the-fork-bomb-an-11-character-string-that-can-crash-windows-mac-or-linux-machines.html Source: BoingBoing [19:55] TR Bot Understanding the "fork bomb" an 11 character string that can crash Windows, Mac, or Linux machines | Boing Boing [19:55] MinceR nvm [19:55] MinceR the industry doesn't like calling them laptops anymore, though [19:55] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [19:55] MinceR they call them notebooks [19:56] MinceR i wonder why [19:56] psydroid2 because you can write notes on them [19:56] psydroid2 while burning your lap [19:56] MinceR maybe some of them have insufficient cooling and so they can get damaged and/or damage the user if they're used in the lap [19:56] MinceR iirc there was some crApple crap that was advertised showing it used in people's laps but the documentation said you weren't supposed to do that [19:58] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@kqvcqbcq5tvms.irc) has joined #techrights [19:58] TR News Dabbling in CGI gemini://gemini.sh0.xyz/log/2022-09-27.gmi [19:59] DaemonFC MinceR, You know, if The Doctor ever does regenerate and become a ginger, finally, that would make him a transginger. [19:59] DaemonFC I wonder how mjg59_ would feel about the joke. [19:59] DaemonFC *Shittering intensifies!* [19:59] MinceR :> [19:59] MinceR "only a ginger can call another ginger ginger" [19:59] TR News What if The Sims were sentient? gemini://gemini.sh0.xyz/log/2022-09-25.gmi ● Sep 27 [20:01] TR News "Read the damn contract. If you moved in and no one painted the apartment for you, then you don't need to paint it on the way out." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1139 [20:01] DaemonFC I was wanting mjg59_'s expert opinion about something before I finish blogging about GNOME 43. If he has a minute. I would like to know how I can work it in that Polari, the IRC client of GNOME, can't remember nickserv and SASL passwords without offending the trans people. Only transphobes criticize GNOME, you know. [20:02] DaemonFC They call her Molly de Blanc so you have a fairly accurate depiction of her mental state. [20:03] DaemonFC "You know, when we gang up on people we disagree with, we can push them around and bully them!" -de Blanc [20:03] DaemonFC This is the mjg59_ crowd. [20:03] schestowitz[TR] shitter brigade [20:03] schestowitz[TR] birds of feather flock tother [20:03] schestowitz[TR] while other people get shit done [20:04] schestowitz[TR] like delivering a pizza [20:04] schestowitz[TR] https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1565911338299232257 [20:04] TR Bot You utter fucking piece of shit https://t.co/CNsfkFhGn6 [20:04] TR Bot This is incredibly sad news. Peter is one of the true defenders of the Internet. https://t.co/hbL5c6qe4a [20:04] schestowitz[TR] RMS is rude [20:04] schestowitz[TR] the community is impolite [20:04] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ should appointed police here [20:04] schestowitz[TR] no anger management issues [20:06] schestowitz[TR] he once asked me for access to the back end of a server [20:06] MinceR ew [20:06] schestowitz[TR] like I would grant him this... [20:06] schestowitz[TR] said he would investtiage the back end [20:06] schestowitz[TR] of tux machines [20:06] schestowitz[TR] which he does not even understand [20:06] schestowitz[TR] had to explain to him perl is used only to make static pages [20:06] schestowitz[TR] code reading comperension deficit [20:07] DaemonFC I've had some pretty nasty hacks in place to work around Fedora OS bugs before that I would generally not recommend to other people. [20:07] DaemonFC I wonder what mjg59_ would have said during "code review". [20:07] schestowitz[TR] oh btw [20:07] schestowitz[TR] if I complain that mjg59_ calls people "tter fucking piece of shit" [20:08] schestowitz[TR] the cocommitee would accuse ME [20:08] schestowitz[TR] of "speech policing" [20:08] schestowitz[TR] tbhey have their terms sorted out [20:08] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [20:08] schestowitz[TR] so it[''s never their faul [20:08] schestowitz[TR] and I obstruct their cursing [20:08] schestowitz[TR] I police their speech [20:08] schestowitz[TR] like they want me to do to others [20:08] TR News Hmm :/ "SPONSORED CONTENT" https://insidehpc.com/2022/09/how-the-hpc-ai-rocky-linux-server-operating-system-rose-from-the-centos-ashes/ [20:08] TR Bot the HPC-AI Rocky Linux Server Operating System Rose from the CentOS Ashes - High-Performance Computing News Analysis | insideHPC [20:09] DaemonFC For the most part, I just stick to chat networks without a "CoC". That way people just act like adults instead of some spoiled rich manbaby like mjg59_. [20:10] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [20:10] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Element is not a "web app". [20:11] TR News XeroLinux could be the most beautiful Linux desktop on the market https://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/26/XeroLinux_Review_Fusion_of_Arch_and_KDE_Plasma.shtml [20:11] TR Bot Tux Machines XeroLinux Review: Fusion of Arch and KDE Plasma (UPDATED) [20:11] DaemonFC Parts of it work in non-Chrome browsers, but it's blocking the voice and video chats now. [20:11] DaemonFC Even in browsers that have all of the APIs it needs. [20:11] DaemonFC It goes through poking around to find out what browser you use and disables things or locks you out of Element entirely, even if your browser can run it. [20:12] DaemonFC They seem to be trying to use "Maximum Pressure" in this "Free Software" to make people give up and either use their Electron app or Chrome itself. [20:12] TR News Gadget Watch: Steam Deck, the Linux-powered games console https://www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/gadget-master/gadget-watch/gadget-watch-steam-deck-the-linux-powered-games-console-2022-09/ Source: Electronics Weekly | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.electronicsweekly.com/blogs/gadget-master/gadget-watch/gadget-watch-steam-deck-the-linux-powered-games-console-2022-09/ [20:12] TR Bot Gadget Watch: Steam Deck, the Linux-powered games console [20:13] DaemonFC It tries to block SeaMonkey. Fedora's patches to SeaMonkey bypass Element's block, but the latest version has changed it so things don't always work right without GULAG WebComponents. [20:13] TR News Apptainer itself can be a security liability https://www.benzinga.com/pressreleases/22/09/n29037775/apptainer-1-1-0-a-linux-foundation-project-formerly-singularity-arrives-with-added-security-featur [20:13] TR Bot 1.1.0, a Linux Foundation project (formerly Singularity), Arrives With Added Security Features and Build Improvements - Benzinga [20:14] DaemonFC This is crazy. [20:14] psydroid2 Matrix in GULAG's backpocket? [20:14] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [20:14] psydroid2 or Element rather [20:14] DaemonFC Then if that's not bad enough, some of the local "trans" moderators have gone on a tear banning other home servers because like one person out of thousands said something they don't like. [20:15] DaemonFC Matrix.org is walling itself off. [20:15] DaemonFC or Element rather [20:15] DaemonFC It's the matrix.org people who are maintaining Element. [20:16] DaemonFC So they obviously have a clear preference for Chrome and want to make sure it doesn't work right for anyone else. [20:16] psydroid2 when I have the right hardware I'll run my own homeserver [20:16] psydroid2 I don't know why anyone would have a preference for Chrome [20:16] DaemonFC It only lets GNOME Web in because it thinks it's Safari and then it tells you that you can't make voice or video calls even though WebRTC works. [20:16] psydroid2 I never use it [20:16] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [20:17] DaemonFC "With the technology itself, theres design and usability issues. FOSS can just be hard, or not work. The FOSS community has a lot of problems, and talking about them would become quite long (and this is already quite long :))." [...] "One of the first steps we must take is to understand that we cannot build technology that works for everyone without everyone being involved." -Molly de Blanc [20:18] TR News Bribing Linus after he recommended AMD and ARM https://amp.hothardware.com/news/pat-gelsinger-bestows-linus-torvalds-with-intels-first-innovation-award [20:18] TR Bot Pat Gelsinger Bestows Linux Creator Linus Torvalds With Intel's First Innovation Award | HotHardware [20:18] TR News (NEW): BellSoft introduces Alpaquita Cloud Native Platform and Alpaquita Linux http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BellSoft_introduces_Alpaquita_Cloud_Native_Platform_and_Alpaqui.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BellSoft_introduces_Alpaquita_Cloud_Native_Platform_and_Alpaqui.gmi [20:18] TR Bot Tux Machines BellSoft introduces Alpaquita Cloud Native Platform and Alpaquita Linux [20:18] DaemonFC I guess her definition of involve everyone is throw out anyone who expresses a mild disapproval of like 0.1% of the population. [20:18] DaemonFC Which would be mjg59_'s position too. [20:18] DaemonFC So basically, more than two-thirds of the public should be banned from open source software because 0.1% might get their feelings hurt. [20:19] DaemonFC Approval of trans people has historically polled quite low, across party lines and political beliefs. [20:19] schestowitz[TR] the goal is to destabilise efforts [20:19] schestowitz[TR] and projects [20:19] DaemonFC Even among political progressives, it's less than half. [20:19] schestowitz[TR] in the name of people you don't speak for [20:19] schestowitz[TR] mjg59_ speaks for trans people as much as I do [20:19] DaemonFC So they mean to throw out damned near everybody. [20:19] schestowitz[TR] we are "equally trans" [20:20] schestowitz[TR] but anywayt,, focus on the technical issues [20:20] schestowitz[TR] he did many bad things [20:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [20:20] schestowitz[TR] technically, ethically, legally [20:20] DaemonFC There's a difference between "approval" and "tolerating". [20:20] schestowitz[TR] don't focus on his "edge" [20:20] DaemonFC I tolerate trans people. [20:20] psydroid2 exclude everyone [20:20] DaemonFC I can tolerate a head cold too, you know. [20:20] *psydroid2 wants to be excluded all the time [20:20] schestowitz[TR] head cols hurt [20:20] schestowitz[TR] trans people don't hurt [20:20] schestowitz[TR] just staat home [20:20] schestowitz[TR] so bad analogy [20:21] DaemonFC "Tolerate" doesn't mean that I have to approve of something. Just, it's there and I can't do anything about it. [20:21] schestowitz[TR] i asked him this morning what his parentsd think of it [20:21] schestowitz[TR] and he didn not answer what I asked [20:21] psydroid2 "you are an excluded person 100% of time" [20:21] schestowitz[TR] he changes the question [20:21] psydroid2 of the* [20:21] schestowitz[TR] so who knows what his parents thought about it [20:21] schestowitz[TR] i said, [20:21] schestowitz[TR] m,aybe they tolerate that as much as DaemonFC's parents support his gayness [20:22] schestowitz[TR] they doin't [20:22] schestowitz[TR] it's their son [20:22] schestowitz[TR] they learne to tolerate it [20:22] schestowitz[TR] and his partner [20:22] DaemonFC When the court handed down their despicable ruling and a probation officer asked how I felt about her, I gave her the same reply Kirk did to the Klingon commander in Star Trek. "You're here. There's nothing I can do about it.". She said, "That's a good attitude.". The Klingon said, "Good. Honest hatred. Very refreshing.". [20:22] schestowitz[TR] based on storties, ryan's mom was not willing to help with immigratyionm [20:22] DaemonFC So it sailed right over her head I guess. [20:22] schestowitz[TR] if it was some america girl, she would bend all over herself [20:22] schestowitz[TR] *american [20:23] DaemonFC Passive-aggressive. Just kind of stay on the sidelines and hope I fail all by myself. [20:23] DaemonFC Occasional snide remark. [20:23] cubexyz Errand of Mercy, if I recall it right [20:23] DaemonFC That's all I've gotten from my parents. [20:23] schestowitz[TR] anyway, back to tech now [20:24] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: yeah [20:24] schestowitz[TR] they just about tolerate gays [20:24] schestowitz[TR] just about [20:24] schestowitz[TR] if it's family [20:24] schestowitz[TR] who knows what they say BEHIND your back [20:24] cubexyz I heard that win11 encrypts it's partitions automatically [20:24] schestowitz[TR] 'encrypt' [20:24] schestowitz[TR] microsoft has the keys [20:24] schestowitz[TR] and it bricks things, a lot [20:25] cubexyz yes [20:25] schestowitz[TR] so it controls all your data too [20:25] schestowitz[TR] the OS is a Trojan horse [20:25] schestowitz[TR] for them to take over your whole life [20:25] schestowitz[TR] VIsta 12: we also scan all your file [20:25] schestowitz[TR] you arer presumed terrorist who rapes kids [20:25] schestowitz[TR] "we must check you are NOT" [20:26] schestowitz[TR] TSA: the mandatory prove you're not a terrorist checkpoint [20:26] schestowitz[TR] "prove you don't put tnt in your testoicles [20:26] schestowitz[TR] "let us touch just in case..." [20:27] schestowitz[TR] "don't worry, we wear rubber gloves'; [20:27] cubexyz hackers will hack UEFI or windows though [20:27] schestowitz[TR] ("we also hire some pedophiles and ignore reports of that") [20:27] cubexyz removing the auto-encryption [20:27] schestowitz[TR] that happened [20:27] schestowitz[TR] UEFI got ceracked many times [20:27] psydroid2 hackers can come and hack my windows and steal my UEFI [20:27] schestowitz[TR] inc. 'seucre' boot [20:27] schestowitz[TR] it's not about security [20:27] schestowitz[TR] it's about NSA?Microsoft remotely controlling your whole lie [20:27] schestowitz[TR] via your PC [20:28] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/wiki/Microsoft_and_the_NSA [20:28] TR Bot Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [20:28] schestowitz[TR] *life [20:28] cubexyz people need to be able to turn of secure boot if necessary [20:28] schestowitz[TR] using a lie ;-) [20:28] schestowitz[TR] the lie of "protecting you" [20:28] cubexyz off [20:28] schestowitz[TR] "we need remote control to your machine... for your own preotection" [20:28] schestowitz[TR] "protecting you from yourself" [20:29] schestowitz[TR] "we also assassinate people" [20:29] *psydroid2 has secure boot and tpm turned off on all his laptops that unfortunately come with UEFI [20:30] TR News 'The Linux Experiment' has jumped the shark. After cancelling RMS by signing a defamatory letter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJdHAJnKqFs [20:30] TR Bot https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=tJdHAJnKqFs [20:30] TR Bot inv.riverside.rocks | MICROSOFT isn't the ENEMY of Linux and FOSS anymore, but it's no friend either... - Invidious [20:31] psydroid2 MICROSOFT is a friend in need, a friend indeed [20:31] MinceR a friend with weed? [20:31] psydroid2 a friend that shoots friendly fire is better [20:31] psydroid2 yes [20:31] MinceR "with friends like these, who needs enemies?" [20:32] TR News 0 A.D. Alpha 26 Released! How to Install in Ubuntu 22.04 via PPA | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/09/0ad-alpha-26-ubuntu-2204-ppa/ Source: Ubuntu Handbook | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/09/0ad-alpha-26-ubuntu-2204-ppa/ [20:32] TR Bot 0 A.D. Alpha 26 Released! How to Install in Ubuntu 22.04 via PPA | UbuntuHandbook [20:32] TR News "After a first release on the Epic Games Store in 2021, Kena Bridge of Spirits, is making its debut on Steam for the first time today on the 27th of September. I took it for a quick spin to see how well it would run on Linux. You have the answer below in video." https://boilingsteam.com/kena-bridge-of-spirits-released-on-steam-today-runs-fine-on-linux-with-proton/ [20:32] TR Bot Kena Bridge of Spirits, Released on Steam Today, Runs Fine on Linux with Proton - Boiling Steam [20:33] TR News It just gets marked as "deleted" https://www.addictivetips.com/messaging/how-to-delete-telegram-account/ [20:33] TR Bot ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/messaging/how-to-delete-telegram-account/ ) [20:33] cubexyz I've seen win7 machines get trashed... [20:34] cubexyz you connect to the internet and then... ""Failure configuring Windows updates. Reverting changes. Do not turn [20:34] cubexyz off your computer." [20:34] cubexyz and it just grinds away on the hard drive indefinitely [20:34] TR News Archcraft 2022.09.16 overview | Yet another minimal Linux distribution, based on Arch Linux. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EU6yMHTht9U | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/EU6yMHTht9U [20:34] TR Bot Archcraft 2022.09.16 overview | Yet another minimal Linux distribution, based on Arch Linux. - Invidious [20:35] cubexyz so I replaced it with various different Linux distros on some customers computers [20:35] TR News It is utterly dumb to promote Microsoft crap for Linux, more so bloated junk that Microsoft officially abandoned, which means it's abandoned and orphaned https://www.linuxtechi.com/install-atom-text-editor-on-ubuntu/ [20:35] TR Bot How to Install Atom Text Editor on Ubuntu 22.04 [20:36] cubexyz you have to air gap old windows machines, for security and to just use old software [20:39] TR News Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 is Out - Plasma Mobile https://plasma-mobile.org/2022/09/27/plasma-mobile-gear-22-09/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//plasma-mobile.org/2022/09/27/plasma-mobile-gear-22-09/ [20:39] TR Bot Plasma Mobile Gear 22.09 is Out - Plasma Mobile [20:39] DaemonFC I doubt anyone was still gunning for Windows 98 near the end. You could reduce the attack surface a lot just by running RoM II SE on it and gutting it of IE, Outlook, VBScript, JScript, etc. [20:40] DaemonFC It removed well over half of the "OS". [20:40] cubexyz I see the odd XP box still [20:40] TR News Linux will be ruined by Rust over the next 10 years. Too late now. https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220927131518.30000-1-ojeda@kernel.org/ see http://techrights.org/2022/09/21/going-rusty-faster/ [20:40] TR Bot [PATCH v10 00/27] Rust support - Miguel Ojeda [20:40] TR Bot The Life of Linux Will Be Shortened by a Misguided Adoption of Rust | Techrights [20:41] DaemonFC I assume you could use a firewall and unbind the rather stupid things from the network adapter, and install all the hotfixes that still applied to the remainder of the OS, and install KernelEx. [20:41] DaemonFC That would be an interesting system. [20:41] DaemonFC Part Windows 9x, part Windows "XP/Vista" by way of Wine. No IE and crap. [20:41] TR News Why does linuxtoday shill proprietary software of Microsoft? https://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/how-to-integrate-github-and-jira/ [20:41] TR Bot How to Integrate GitHub and Jira | Linux Today [20:41] DaemonFC mjg59_ doesn't like this sort of thing. [20:41] DaemonFC He thinks that extending your OS is always malicious. [20:42] cubexyz what about WINE? [20:42] DaemonFC Windows 98 could run most software up through like 2013 or so with KernelEx patched into the Windows 98 kernel. [20:42] DaemonFC I doubt that current VLC or anything still works. [20:42] TR News Clown computing https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/09/27/cisa-updates-advisory-threat-actors-exploiting-multiple-cves [20:42] TR Bot CISA Updates Advisory on Threat Actors Exploiting Multiple CVEs Against Zimbra Collaboration Suite | CISA [20:42] DaemonFC You _might_ be able to get one of those Goanna browsers that still targets XP working. [20:44] cubexyz I just don't bother with windows for personal use, I'm totally done with it [20:44] TR News (NEW): WordPress 6.1 Beta 2 Now Available http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/WordPress_6_1_Beta_2_Now_Available.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/WordPress_6_1_Beta_2_Now_Available.gmi [20:44] TR Bot Tux Machines WordPress 6.1 Beta 2 Now Available [20:44] TR News x86 trash inside Linux https://www.theregister.com/2022/09/27/obsolete_amd_acpi_fix/ [20:45] TR Bot Removing an obsolete AMD fix makes Linux kernel 6 quicker The Register [20:45] cubexyz it just keeps getting worse [20:46] TR News How to infest Debian with Microsoft malware that has de facto back doors https://www.linuxcapable.com/install-microsoft-teams-on-debian-11-bullseye/ [20:46] TR Bot to Install Microsoft Teams on Debian 11 Bullseye - LinuxCapable [20:47] TR News iTWire - Optus chief under pressure to quit over handling of breach https://itwire.com/security/optus-chief-under-pressure-to-quit-over-handling-of-breach.html Source: IT Wire | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//itwire.com/security/optus-chief-under-pressure-to-quit-over-handling-of-breach.html [20:47] cubexyz MinceR, you'll find this interesting: [20:47] TR Bot - Optus chief under pressure to quit over handling of breach [20:47] cubexyz MX Linux 21 remains a systemd-free GNU/Linux distribution featuring SysVinit as default init system"" [20:47] cubexyz it's not bad, I've got it on one box [20:47] TR News "More than a set of techniques to improve individual fitness, Johann Friedrich Ludwig Christoph Jahns gymnastics were meant to train a new form of body politic." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/hamann-turner/ [20:47] TR Bot The Turns of the *Turnverein*: Heinrich Hamanns Gymnastic Photographs (ca. 1902) The Public Domain Review [20:48] TR News many Fedora services offline today. Well done, ICBM. Nuke away? [20:48] MinceR cubexyz: good [20:49] TR News Fedora: "1gb internal switches will be upgraded. 30min outage is likely during this time period." That's a very long time for a switch upgrade and ICBM has no money for hot spares or HA? [20:51] TR News Rust is insensitive: uses offensive terms, "On Friday, 14 October, we will discuss how to deal with "disabled tests" (can we report Rust to Microsoft GitHub for CoC violation?) https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/09/23/compiler-team-sep-oct-steering-cycle.html [20:51] TR Bot Rust Compiler Early October 2022 Steering Cycle | Inside Rust Blog [20:51] schestowitz[TR] "disabled tests" = offensive [20:51] schestowitz[TR] discuss. [20:51] schestowitz[TR] :-) [20:52] TR News Using smart home tech to care for your pets | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/using-smart-home-tech-to-care-for-your-pets/ Source: Arduino | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/09/27/using-smart-home-tech-to-care-for-your-pets/ [20:52] TR Bot Using smart home tech to care for your pets | Arduino Blog [20:52] schestowitz[TR] nazi germany did "disabled tests" [20:52] schestowitz[TR] http://techrights.org/2019/07/16/haar-dark-historical-shadow/ [20:52] TR Bot EPO Looney Tunes Part 2: The Difficult Legacy and Its Dark Historical Shadow | Techrights [20:52] schestowitz[TR] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4 [20:52] TR Bot Aktion T4 - Wikipedia [20:54] TR News 5 of the Best Solutions for Monitoring Website Changes - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/solutions-for-monitoring-website-changes/ Source: Make Tech Easier | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.maketecheasier.com/solutions-for-monitoring-website-changes/ [20:54] TR Bot 5 of the Best Solutions for Monitoring Website Changes - Make Tech Easier [20:55] TR News "Back in April I wrote about issues with how we handle firmware in Debian, and I also spoke about it at DebConf in July. Since then, we've started the General Resolution process - this led to a lot of discussion on the the debian-vote mailing list and we're now into the second week of the voting phase." https://blog.einval.com/2022/09/27#firmware-vote [20:55] TR Bot Steve's blog [20:55] MinceR https://apina.biz/167259.jpg?mode=sfw [20:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/167259.jpg [20:56] TR News Intel got many shills and corrupted 'journalists' doing puff pieces for it today, e.g. Timothy Prickett Morgan (paid shill for Intel and ICBM; he doesn't deny these bribes) https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/09/27/intel-to-broaden-fpga-lineup-and-make-them-at-home/ [20:56] TR Bot Intel To Broaden FPGA Lineup And Make Them At Home [20:57] DaemonFC There are some reasons why you'd want to keep extending Windows 98. Not today, obviously, but throughout the 2000s. [20:57] TR News Sean Michael Kerner also did a puff piece; his current employment "assigns" puff pieces to him... that's the business model (webspam) https://venturebeat.com/ai/intel-geti-and-openvino-efforts-advance-ai-and-computer-vision/ [20:57] TR Bot Geti and OpenVINO efforts advance AI and computer vision | VentureBeat [20:57] DaemonFC Maybe updating to XP would be impossible because the hardware demands were too high. [20:57] DaemonFC Maybe the hardware never got Linux drivers. [20:58] DaemonFC Maybe Windows 98 was going to be the only OS that machine ever ran and it was find a way to extend it, or toss the machine. [20:58] TR News When "press reports" become a product to be sold (companies buying 'articles' about themselves), then such "media" isn't worth having at all. All it does is, it distracts from honest writings. [20:58] DaemonFC I ran across some XP machines that someone "upgraded" from Windows 98. The whole thing was a complete mess. [20:58] DaemonFC The file systems never even got converted from FAT32! [20:59] DaemonFC XP supported installing and running on FAT32 even though it was a terrible idea to run it like that, in the case of upgrade installations. [20:59] DaemonFC But if you did a clean install, it was not allowed. [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 58.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 91.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 119.58 [20:59] DaemonFC There was a conversion program. [20:59] TR News Why Data Brokers Are After Your Personal Information And How Can You Stay Safe https://thishosting.rocks/why-data-brokers-are-after-your-personal-information-and-how-can-you-stay-safe/ Source: | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//thishosting.rocks/why-data-brokers-are-after-your-personal-information-and-how-can-you-stay-safe/ [20:59] TR Bot Why Data Brokers Are After Your Personal Information And How Can You Stay Safe [20:59] MinceR if you want a filesystem that doesn't suck, you'll need a free unix anyway [20:59] DaemonFC I ended up running the conversion program then defragmenting the file system immediately. [20:59] DaemonFC That took a while. ● Sep 27 [21:00] psydroid2 https://amp.hothardware.com/news/pat-gelsinger-bestows-linus-torvalds-with-intels-first-innovation-award [21:00] TR Bot Pat Gelsinger Bestows Linux Creator Linus Torvalds With Intel's First Innovation Award | HotHardware [21:00] psydroid2 now we have not only Tim Sweeny but also Tim Sweezy [21:00] TR News Proprietary software: severity 9.8 out of 10. "Successful exploitation could fully compromise the device." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-270-01 [21:00] TR Bot Hitachi Energy AFS660/AFS665 | CISA [21:01] psydroid2 I wonder where Tim Sleazy is hanging out [21:01] cubexyz the win98 folks should have been looking at redhat 5.2 [21:01] TR News "Out-of-Bounds Write and Improper Authentication" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-270-02 [21:01] TR Bot Hitachi Energy APM Edge | CISA [21:01] cubexyz I remember the era well [21:02] psydroid2 I didn't know anything about distributions until 1999 or so [21:02] psydroid2 when a relative showed me SuSE [21:02] TR News RDP strikes again. Thanks, Microsoft! "Rockwell Automation reports this vulnerability affects the following versions of ThinManager ThinServer, a thin client and remote desktop protocol (RDP) server management software" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-270-03 [21:02] TR Bot Rockwell Automation ThinManager ThinServer | CISA [21:02] cubexyz Ryerson Polytech started using Darkstar Linux in 1994 [21:02] DaemonFC You could get around the no FAT32 on clean install limit by creating a FAT32 volume and then telling XP to install to it. [21:03] psydroid2 so a year later I bought a SuSE 7.0 box [21:03] cubexyz before that, I didn't see Linux [21:03] DaemonFC It's just that the setup program would not offer to make one. [21:03] TR News Hacktoberfes outsourced to PROPRIETARY software https://www.fosslife.org/hacktoberfest-2022-registration-now-open [21:03] TR Bot Hacktoberfest 2022 Registration Now Open [21:03] starstreak my first linucks was redhat 5.2 [21:03] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:04] TR News EuroBSDcon 2022 | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP Czanik https://peter.czanik.hu/posts/eurobsdcon2022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//peter.czanik.hu/posts/eurobsdcon2022/ [21:04] TR Bot EuroBSDcon 2022 | Random thoughts of Peter 'CzP' Czanik [21:04] cubexyz when did FAT32 come out? [21:04] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights [21:05] starstreak win95? [21:05] cubexyz 1996 [21:05] cubexyz ah, the bad old days [21:05] starstreak i had fond memories of the 90s [21:05] starstreak good old windows 3.11 which i ran in 96 [21:06] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:06] psydroid2 win9x was giving me so many problems from the very first day [21:06] *betsy has quit (connection closed) [21:06] psydroid2 the first time I got a computer I had to learn to reinstall it 3 hours after unpacking it [21:07] cubexyz I'm old enough to remember non microsoft computers [21:08] cubexyz Atari ST, Amiga, CDC Viking 721 :) [21:08] TR News WWWMalware Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/09/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_27.html Source: Gulag | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/09/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_27.html [21:08] TR Bot Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop [21:08] starstreak i still run windows 3.11, in dosbox-x [21:09] psydroid2 I had an MSX2 until 1997 [21:09] psydroid2 my friends had Commodore, Atari and Nintendo [21:09] psydroid2 my uncle was the first person with a PC [21:10] psydroid2 in our family at least [21:10] cubexyz oh I can remember before home computers [21:10] starstreak i grew up with Nintendo [21:10] cubexyz got a typewriter for my 10th birthday :) [21:11] psydroid2 I learned to type on a mechanical typewriter :) [21:11] psydroid2 later on my uncle gave me an electric typewriter [21:11] psydroid2 I actually used it a lot in secondary school [21:11] cubexyz Commodore PET, TRS-80 and Apple II were the earliest "PCs" I saw [21:12] cubexyz stores didn't sell any computers until about 1978-1979 or so [21:12] psydroid2 he had a VIC-20 and a C64 [21:12] psydroid2 oh [21:13] cubexyz before that there were DEC PDPs, I can remember the end of that era [21:14] TR News Balanced Coverage in Phoronix Today | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/09/27/phoronix-promotional-ads/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/09/27/phoronix-promotional-ads/ [21:14] TR Bot Balanced Coverage in Phoronix Today | Techrights [21:14] schestowitz[TR] ^ what MinceR said [21:14] schestowitz[TR] psydroid2: michael not performing [21:14] psydroid2 I wasn't around yet in that era [21:15] cubexyz yes, the bad old days... no GNU, no GCC, no internet [21:15] psydroid2 michael is an excellent businessman wearing a suit whenever it suits him [21:15] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], If I had to compare mjg59_ to a South Park character, it would be Garrison. Garrison was an awful teacher and he about got fired from the school a bunch of times. Then he realized if he was gay, nobody would fire him, so he was gay, and then when he realized he could sue the school if they fired him for being gay and get a ton of money, he used "Mr. Slave" to portray what a freak he was. [21:16] TR News "After moving from rEFInd and Syslinux boot managers, to Limine, the "Fix broken video" menu entry got left out. I introduced this here..." https://bkhome.org/news/202209/fix-broken-video-entry-in-limine-menu.html [21:16] TR Bot Fix broken video entry in Limine menu [21:16] DaemonFC Then when the town "accepted" that, he admitted what he was up to the whole time and how stupid they were for going along with it. [21:16] DaemonFC Then he had a sex change operation to become a woman, then decided he changed his mind, and had a genetically engineered penis made, and now he's Mr. Garrison again. [21:17] DaemonFC Obviously, mjg59_ isn't all of that, but he uses his situation to his advantage, I think. [21:17] DaemonFC To make it hard to criticize or take employment action against him,. [21:17] DaemonFC Persecuted minority, this and that, and which is really the reason people don't like minorities. [21:17] DaemonFC Because a couple bad apples try to get all sorts of things from it because they can. [21:18] TR News (NEW): Today's HowTos http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.2.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/today_s_howtos.2.gmi [21:18] TR Bot Tux Machines today's howtos [21:18] *betsy (~igloo@d9tvs44uyg5y6.irc) has joined #techrights [21:18] DaemonFC And now that even most conservatives don't give a shit one way or the other about gay people, it's become more normalized, and these people have to resort to becoming something else to stay ahead of the curve. [21:19] DaemonFC I was fired for being gay before, but I couldn't really do much about it. [21:19] DaemonFC It was a Christian church that I worked for, briefly, and they found out about it because someone posted pictures of me at a bar, a gay bar, on Myspace. [21:19] DaemonFC And then someone else who worked there found the pictures and outed me to the management. [21:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [21:20] DaemonFC So that was an early example of how oversharing on "facebook" can blow up. [21:20] DaemonFC This was before facebook, but same problem. [21:20] DaemonFC If anything, worse now. [21:21] TR News "after i returned from my 2 months parental leave i found a great email in my inbox. one from the weekly capitalism update made by a joint delegation of company leaders and hr." gemini://the.antipod.de/log/2022-09-27_disclaimer.gmi [21:21] DaemonFC Two reasons I couldn't do anything about it. 1. "Sex" discrimination didn't cover gay people in employment back then. That's a recent court decision. 2. If a church does anything, it's "religious freedom" and people just back away and nod. [21:22] DaemonFC It's better to just accept that you were wronged and move on. What can you do about it? Nothing. [21:22] TR News (NEW): LXD 5.6 has been released http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/LXD_5_6_has_been_released.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/LXD_5_6_has_been_released.gmi [21:22] TR Bot Tux Machines LXD 5.6 has been released [21:27] *betsy has quit (Quit: Igloo IRC: https://iglooirc.com) [21:27] schestowitz[TR] So that was an early example of how oversharing on "facebook" can blow up. [21:27] schestowitz[TR] don't say FB [21:27] schestowitz[TR] say social control media [21:27] schestowitz[TR] all of it [21:27] schestowitz[TR] even if decentralised [21:27] schestowitz[TR] or open [21:27] schestowitz[TR] or free [21:27] schestowitz[TR] or federated [21:27] schestowitz[TR] etc etc [21:28] cubexyz does that include IRC? :) [21:28] schestowitz[TR] you could dig up a ton of hypocrisy dirt on your targets this way [21:28] schestowitz[TR] corporations and governments do it [21:28] schestowitz[TR] HR does it [21:28] schestowitz[TR] cubexyz: to a lesser degree [21:28] schestowitz[TR] FB has real name policy [21:28] schestowitz[TR] and inteerfaces for governments [21:28] schestowitz[TR] it is centralised [21:28] schestowitz[TR] it sells data [21:28] schestowitz[TR] it spies on people using "phones" ande coolkies [21:28] schestowitz[TR] lots of differences [21:29] schestowitz[TR] most oirc netyworks are not logged [21:29] schestowitz[TR] and if people direct message here, nobody willl ever see it [21:30] cubexyz IRC logs may become historically interesting [21:30] schestowitz[TR] yes, ours are complete [21:31] schestowitz[TR] 15 years in a few months [21:31] cubexyz it feels longer than that [21:31] cubexyz I definitely remember IRC in the 1990s [21:32] cubexyz I guess the boycott novell started in 2007? [21:32] schestowitz[TR] 2006 [21:32] schestowitz[TR] but irc in early 2008 [21:33] schestowitz[TR] using freenode [21:33] schestowitz[TR] you could even study who first joined which year/month [21:35] TR News More "hype" and hot air https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/26/hugging-face-and-servicenow-launch-bigcode-a-project-to-open-source-code-generating-ai-systems/ [21:35] TR Bot Face and ServiceNow launch BigCode, a project to open source code-generating AI systems TechCrunch [21:35] TR News (NEW): Servers/Containers: Clown Computing, Container OS, and More http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Servers_Containers_Clown_Computing_Container_OS_and_More.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Servers_Containers_Clown_Computing_Container_OS_and_More.gmi [21:35] TR Bot Tux Machines Servers/Containers: Clown Computing, Container OS, and More [21:37] TR News Gentoo-Sources: Experimental - ACPI: processor idle: Practically limit 'Dummy wait' workaround to old Intel systems - Mike Paganos Weblog https://www.mpagano.com/blog/?p=312 Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.mpagano.com/blog/?p=312 [21:37] TR Bot Gentoo-Sources: Experimental ACPI: processor idle: Practically limit Dummy wait workaround to old Intel systems Mike Pagano's Weblog [21:39] TR News Phoronix does a lot of promotional ads today while raising corporate money http://techrights.org/2022/09/27/phoronix-promotional-ads/ [21:39] TR Bot Balanced Coverage in Phoronix Today | Techrights [21:39] TR News (NEW): x86 Defects Inside Linux, Intel 'Bribes' Torvalds With New (and Made Up) "Innovation Award" http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/x86_Defects_Inside_Linux_Intel_Bribes_Torvalds_With_New_and_Mad.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/x86_Defects_Inside_Linux_Intel_Bribes_Torvalds_With_New_and_Mad.gmi [21:39] TR Bot Tux Machines x86 Defects Inside Linux, Intel 'Bribes' Torvalds With New (and Made Up) "Innovation Award" [21:47] *psydroid2 has quit (connection closed) [21:52] schestowitz[TR] torvalds: better bribed than cancelled [21:52] schestowitz[TR] by peopl,e who have very non-conventional love lives [21:52] schestowitz[TR] and try to drag him down too [21:52] schestowitz[TR] using the "sexism" card [21:52] schestowitz[TR] while they share beds, not rooms but bed, with people they hardly know [21:52] schestowitz[TR] intel has a new award [21:53] schestowitz[TR] "new" [21:53] schestowitz[TR] they made it up [21:53] schestowitz[TR] and hope to stroke Torvalds' ego [21:53] schestowitz[TR] so maybe he'll make some faint praise of a product of theirs [21:53] schestowitz[TR] OSL was a founding member of OSDL [21:53] schestowitz[TR] which was later abandoned [21:53] schestowitz[TR] *Intel was [21:53] schestowitz[TR] and OSU [21:55] psydruid better cancelled than bribed [21:55] schestowitz[TR] btw [21:55] schestowitz[TR] re conferencwes [21:55] schestowitz[TR] I always had my own room [21:55] schestowitz[TR] the one time I had to share one was in wahington [21:55] schestowitz[TR] I did not share a BED [21:55] psydruid but he doesn't have the guts to start something new at his age [21:55] schestowitz[TR] just a room [21:55] schestowitz[TR] it was [21:55] schestowitz[TR] a colleague [21:55] schestowitz[TR] a straight man [21:55] schestowitz[TR] a sane person [21:55] schestowitz[TR] not a messed up mind [21:56] schestowitz[TR] he was a phd also [21:56] schestowitz[TR] we're meant to think sharing a bed with strangers is a good idea [21:56] schestowitz[TR] it never is [21:56] schestowitz[TR] esp. if there is booze and drugs at events [21:56] schestowitz[TR] that event was IEEE btw [21:56] schestowitz[TR] on medical imaging [21:57] schestowitz[TR] psydruid: torevalds is not old [21:57] schestowitz[TR] he only looks old [21:57] schestowitz[TR] he's about 51 or 52 [21:57] schestowitz[TR] he can start another mini project [21:57] schestowitz[TR] like alan cox did [21:57] schestowitz[TR] after his partner had died iirc [21:57] schestowitz[TR] he received fsf award [21:57] psydruid I know he's just a decade or so older than we are [21:57] schestowitz[TR] yeah, but aged poorly in recent years [21:58] schestowitz[TR] like he went on a potato chips diet [21:58] psydruid but I think he's too comfortable with his current life [21:58] schestowitz[TR] he looks like the younger brother of his dead [21:58] schestowitz[TR] his dad is almost 80 [21:58] schestowitz[TR] *dad [21:58] schestowitz[TR] not dead [21:58] schestowitz[TR] his dad is still very active [21:58] schestowitz[TR] as MEP [21:59] schestowitz[TR] uploads videos every few days [21:59] schestowitz[TR] hardly anyone watches thsese though [21:59] schestowitz[TR] but unlike spamnil he doesn't summon clickfraud bots [21:59] psydruid I don't understand Finnish [21:59] schestowitz[TR] he speaks in english [21:59] schestowitz[TR] as MEP [21:59] schestowitz[TR] they speak English there [21:59] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/channel/UCT_JXe1Xb5JNZqLNfOi3gsg [21:59] TR Bot MEP Nils Torvalds - Invidious ● Sep 27 [22:00] schestowitz[TR] only 54 subscribers [22:00] schestowitz[TR] what ashame [22:00] schestowitz[TR] latest https://yewtu.be/watch?v=py9gDkjiDBI [22:00] TR Bot Plenary session: Renewable energy directive - Invidious [22:00] schestowitz[TR] his poliocies are good [22:01] schestowitz[TR] lots about the planet's future [22:01] schestowitz[TR] food safety, speech, privacy.. [22:01] MinceR (cat) https://i.imgur.com/0rkvwy9.jpeg [22:01] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=eeZIlQ-xLWA [22:01] TR Bot Skarvens pverkan p fisket - Invidious [22:01] schestowitz[TR] in finnish [22:02] psydruid Swedish actually this one [22:02] schestowitz[TR] ah [22:02] schestowitz[TR] he is swedish originally [22:02] schestowitz[TR] migrated to finland [22:02] DaemonFC I just beat Sonic 1 with all the Chaos Emeralds. Not as difficult as I remember from when I was a kid. Although the final boss battle was pretty dumb. [22:02] DaemonFC Thought so then too. [22:02] psydruid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl60wNBYXc4 [22:02] TR Bot https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=Vl60wNBYXc4 [22:03] TR Bot timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=Vl60wNBYXc4 ) [22:03] psydruid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl60wNBYXc4 [22:03] psydruid this one was in Finnish [22:05] DaemonFC The games for the Genesis were better play tested than the ones now. Not much to test though. [22:05] TR News Microbell: I wrote this article to tell you an article is coming. In the meantime, enjoy these marketing BROCHURES https://www.phoronix.com/news/Intel-Core-13th-Gen-Raptor-Lake [22:05] TR Bot Announces 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" - Linux Benchmarks To Come - Phoronix [22:05] DaemonFC You had some people spend a week on it seeing if anything glitched out unacceptably or if the player could end up somewhere he wasn't supposed to on the level and you were essentially done. [22:09] schestowitz[TR] ffs, it's getting cold [22:09] schestowitz[TR] and it's only sept. [22:10] *highest_cubist_thrills (~highest_cubist_thri@ws2bs482xtmk6.irc) has joined #techrights [22:10] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5Gx9_9vmwAA [22:10] TR Bot Watch: Nord Stream Pipeline Leaks Gas Bubbles in Baltic Sea - Invidious [22:11] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pP7AMc0oCpY&listen=false [22:11] TR Bot Europe investigates unexplained leaks in Nord stream pipelines | Latest English News | WION - Invidious [22:11] XRevan86 schestowitz: techpol content? [22:12] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8KoGNEXztuo [22:12] TR Bot Aerial footage of leak in Danish waters from Nord Stream 1 pipeline - Invidious [22:12] schestowitz[TR] i guess [22:12] schestowitz[TR] assuming it's vandalism [22:12] schestowitz[TR] I saw it mentioned there [22:12] XRevan86 "Vandalism" wouldn't be the right word on this scale, "sabotage". [22:12] schestowitz[TR] german TV nhttps://yewtu.be/watch?v=KQSQp1y_4qk [22:12] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KQSQp1y_4qk [22:12] TR Bot Krieg in der Ukraine: Pseudoreferenden vor Abschluss, Gaslecks and beiden Nord Stream Pipelines - Invidious [22:12] schestowitz[TR] i guess frog just quotes "Russian media" [22:13] schestowitz[TR] which probably blames europe for attacking its own energy source [22:13] XRevan86 schestowitz: I can't tell, I only understood 10% of what he said. [22:13] schestowitz[TR] yeds, but off topic [22:13] schestowitz[TR] i'll do exercise to warm up [22:13] schestowitz[TR] hopefully no rolling blackouts this winter [22:14] XRevan86 schestowitz: It was known in advance that NS-1 and NS-2 won't be coming back up ever again. [22:14] XRevan86 So this doesn't change that much regarding the gas crisis in Europe. [22:15] XRevan86 But the prices still somewhat hiked. Because the glimpse of hope was shut? I can't tell. [22:15] schestowitz[TR] https://yewtu.be/search?q=nordstream&page=1&date=today&type=all&duration=none&sort=relevance [22:15] TR Bot nordstream - Invidious [22:15] schestowitz[TR] glimmer? [22:16] XRevan86 schestowitz: Yea. [22:16] schestowitz[TR] :( [22:16] schestowitz[TR] this winter will suck [22:16] schestowitz[TR] maybe time to buy ups [22:16] schestowitz[TR] because the prices of those too soars [22:16] schestowitz[TR] *soar [22:17] schestowitz[TR] "but snowden!!" [22:18] TR News (NEW): Games: Steam Deck, 0 A.D. Alpha 26 Released, Kena Bridge of Spirits http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Steam_Deck_0_A_D_Alpha_26_Released_Kena_Bridge_of_Spirits.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Games_Steam_Deck_0_A_D_Alpha_26_Released_Kena_Bridge_of_Spirits.gmi [22:18] TR Bot Tux Machines Games: Steam Deck, 0 A.D. Alpha 26 Released, Kena Bridge of Spirits [22:18] highest_cubist_thrills maybe time to buy ups <- no [22:18] highest_cubist_thrills time to buy ups was freakin years ago [22:18] highest_cubist_thrills but better late than never [22:19] schestowitz-TR years ago [22:19] schestowitz-TR no war [22:19] XRevan86 schestowitz: I personally don't believe that the situation will get critical in winter. [22:19] schestowitz-TR no outages [22:19] schestowitz-TR maybe next thing is buying a generator [22:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [22:20] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: for many here it is critical already [22:20] schestowitz-TR they are broke [22:21] schestowitz-TR so broke our regime gives 250 pounds to each households to help with heating bills [22:21] schestowitz-TR me? i just do exercise and clothe better [22:21] XRevan86 schestowitz: We will see an increase of the price, that's a given. [22:22] schestowitz-TR maybe outages too [22:22] XRevan86 It's hard to look for data on for how much as it'll vary depending on the place. [22:22] schestowitz-TR lack of capacity [22:22] schestowitz-TR at peak times [22:22] schestowitz-TR some people will pay the premium [22:22] schestowitz-TR but that won't magically make more energy avAILABLE [22:22] schestowitz-TR switzerland warms about rolling blackouts [22:22] schestowitz-TR people there are not poor [22:24] XRevan86 schestowitz: Switzerland doesn't even use gas for electricity generation. [22:25] XRevan86 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_Switzerland [22:25] TR Bot Electricity sector in Switzerland - Wikipedia [22:25] cubexyz doesn't switzerland use nuclear power? [22:25] XRevan86 Hydroelectricity + NPP [22:26] TR News (NEW): Star Labs Shares More Details on Its Upcoming StarFighter 4K Linux Laptop http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Star_Labs_Shares_More_Details_on_Its_Upcoming_StarFighter_4K_Li.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Star_Labs_Shares_More_Details_on_Its_Upcoming_StarFighter_4K_Li.gmi [22:26] TR Bot Tux Machines Star Labs Shares More Details on Its Upcoming StarFighter 4K Linux Laptop [22:26] TR News (NEW): Security Leftovers http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Security_Leftovers.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Security_Leftovers.gmi [22:26] TR Bot Tux Machines Security Leftovers [22:27] schestowitz[TR] putin to switerland: y, I herd u like referendums [22:28] AdmFubar https://www.project-disco.org/competition/092622-declining-retail-shrink-makes-shoplifting-crisis-narrative-a-hard-sell/ [22:28] TR Bot Declining Retail Shrink Makes Shoplifting Crisis Narrative a Hard Sell - Disruptive Competition Project [22:28] schestowitz[TR] :-) [22:28] schestowitz[TR] saw it earlier noticed this part [22:29] schestowitz[TR] "In a curious coincidence, many of the retail spokespersons pushing the disproven narrative of a significant uptick in shoplifting were from groups pushing for legislative proposals that would burden digital commerce" https://www.project-disco.org/competition/092622-declining-retail-shrink-makes-shoplifting-crisis-narrative-a-hard-sell/ [22:29] schestowitz[TR] always blame the victim [22:30] XRevan86 schestowitz: Time to conduct a referendum on annexation of Switzerland into Russia, for technical reasons the population that will decide the fate of Switzerland is going to be the Swiss that live on the territory of Russia. [22:30] schestowitz[TR] oblast [22:30] XRevan86 All 676 of them. [22:31] schestowitz[TR] operation Z-uirich [22:31] MinceR lol [22:32] XRevan86 schestowitz: Swiss People's Republic [22:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [22:39] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [22:40] schestowitz[TR] Swiss people are heavily armed [22:40] schestowitz[TR] putin will come to 'denazify' swiss banks [22:42] TR News "A lot of privacy concerned internet users are concerned about Chrome's new Manifest v3 which in part aims to end the usefulness of content/ad blockers but Mozilla & Firefox has a slightly different plan" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=uh5Bhw-wyZc [22:42] TR Bot Chrome Is Killing AdBlockers & Firefox Will Save Them - Invidious [22:44] TR News Hostile of "on libera.chat" https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20221028-irc https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20221021-irc [22:44] TR Bot Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, October 28, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [22:44] TR Bot Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, October 21, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [22:44] TR News FSF chat outsourced to FSF-hostile people https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20221014-irc https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20221007-irc [22:44] TR Bot Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, October 14, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [22:44] TR Bot Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, October 7, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [22:47] TR News BellSoft Optimizes Java for Cloud-Native Platform - Container Journal http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/BellSoft_introduces_Alpaquita_Cloud_Native_Platform_and_Alpaqui.shtml [22:47] TR Bot Tux Machines BellSoft introduces Alpaquita Cloud Native Platform and Alpaquita Linux (UPDATED) [22:47] MinceR https://www.darthsanddroids.net/solo/solo217.html [22:47] TR Bot Darths & Droids [22:48] TR News "The Northcape event has been held for several years, and while it always ends on the North Cape, the route there varies. Last years route went through the Baltics, but this years was perhaps as direct as possible - taking us through Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Germany, the Czech republic, Germany again, Sweden, Finland and finally Norway." https://www.jelmer.uk/northcape4000.html [22:48] TR Bot Northcape4000 [22:49] schestowitz " [22:49] schestowitz As of April 2021, I work as Principal Site Reliability Engineer at Cognite. [22:49] schestowitz Between February 2013 and March 2021, I worked as a Senior Site Reliability Engineer at Google in London, mainly on the authoritative DNS servers and other kinds of frontend infrastructure. [22:49] schestowitz Between 2009 and 2012 I worked at Canonical Ltd., on Launchpad, Ubuntu, Bazaar and various cloud-related projects. [22:49] schestowitz " [22:49] schestowitz https://www.jelmer.uk//pages/about.html [22:49] TR Bot About - Jelmer Vernoo [22:49] MinceR this is spial tap! [22:51] AdmFubar https://www.icij.org/investigations/uber-files/how-we-unearthed-ubers-controversial-playbook-from-a-cache-of-employee-communications/ [22:51] TR Bot How we unearthed Ubers controversial playbook from a cache of employee communications - ICIJ [22:51] TR News new recruits at Collabora. Went through the list, seems decent. https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/a-team-that-grows-together-builds-together.html [22:51] TR Bot A team that grows together, builds together [22:57] TR News (NEW): Videos: Forcing People to Watch Ads, DataGrip on Linux Mint 21, and Archcraft 2022.09.16 http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Videos_Forcing_People_to_Watch_Ads_DataGrip_on_Linux_Mint_21_an.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Videos_Forcing_People_to_Watch_Ads_DataGrip_on_Linux_Mint_21_an.gmi [22:57] TR Bot Tux Machines Videos: Forcing People to Watch Ads, DataGrip on Linux Mint 21, and Archcraft 2022.09.16 [22:59] DaemonFC WebkitGTK 2.38 seems to work fine. [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.40 average k/sec., average swarm size 127.01 [22:59] DaemonFC They really ironed out a lot of those pesky compositing and Content Blocker bugs, it seems. [22:59] DaemonFC Maybe from something Apple did. Who knows? ● Sep 27 [23:00] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], I'm thinking about forking a WebExtension when the time is right. [23:00] DaemonFC Turning GNOME Web into a Gemini browser by "faking it". [23:01] DaemonFC Handling the protocol by routing it through mozz.us or something. [23:01] DaemonFC Actual support would be something I can't really do, but taking an existing extension that proxies Gopher through Floodgap seems possible. [23:03] DaemonFC https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252F2022%252F09%252F27%252Fbusiness%252Feconomy%252Flandlords-rent-inflation.html [23:03] TR Bot Gemini Portal [23:03] DaemonFC Won't someone please think of the slumlords? -The New York Times [23:03] DaemonFC Jesus, what a rag. [23:03] DaemonFC Not that most of them aren't. [23:04] TR News (NEW): Mike Blumenkrantz: Preparation http://news.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Mike_Blumenkrantz_PreparationMike_Blumenkrantz_Preparation.shtml | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.tuxmachines.org/n/2022/09/27/Mike_Blumenkrantz_PreparationMike_Blumenkrantz_Preparation.gmi [23:04] TR Bot Tux Machines Mike Blumenkrantz: Preparation [23:04] DaemonFC But this one actually wants you to pay to read it. [23:04] DaemonFC This just sounds like CNN with extra steps. [23:04] DaemonFC "Publicly traded owners of sprawling real estate portfolios, like Invitation Homes, have enjoyed some of their best returns over the past few quarters." [23:04] schestowitz[TR] there is a firefox extension [23:04] schestowitz[TR] it redirects gemini urls to mozz iirs [23:05] schestowitz[TR] but that's not the same thing [23:05] DaemonFC Invitation Homes is a notorious Wall Street slumlord that's been buying up houses, not fixing anything, and renting them to people who can't get a mortgage. They're a parasite. [23:05] schestowitz[TR] you could extend that to make every http/s address gemini [23:05] schestowitz[TR] and then redirect it [23:05] schestowitz[TR] so if I ask for https://nytimes/crap [23:05] TR Bot not resolve host: nytimes; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://nytimes/crap ) [23:05] schestowitz[TR] it'll go to gemini... newswallfile...web address [23:05] schestowitz[TR] and in turn redirect to moz with the firefox extension [23:05] schestowitz[TR] mozz [23:05] DaemonFC Yeah, I'm afraid that's going to have to be good enough for "Web" browsers. [23:06] schestowitz[TR] but why? [23:06] DaemonFC Mozilla is certainly not going to welcome patches that implement it because GULAG doesn't control it and neither does Hollywood or Microsoft. [23:06] schestowitz[TR] just use a gemini client [23:06] schestowitz[TR] I can give you code I wrote [23:06] schestowitz[TR] you click a special mouse button [23:06] schestowitz[TR] and it gives you the canonical gemini address [23:07] schestowitz[TR] acidus had a gemi proxy for youtube too [23:07] schestowitz[TR] last I checked you could no longer download videos from it [23:07] DaemonFC "Earlier this year, Mr. Verma experimented with raising rents enough to cover the cost of spiking wages, property taxes, insurance and maintenance. Turnover doubled in the properties where he tried it, as people left for nearby buildings. [23:07] DaemonFC Its crushing our margins, Mr. Verma said. Our profits from last year have evaporated, and were running at break-even at a number of properties. Theres some people who think landlords must be making money. No. Weve only gone up 12 to 14 percent, and our expenses have gone up 30 percent. [23:07] schestowitz[TR] "our margins" [23:08] DaemonFC Yes, but when you charge 10 times what your "expenses" are and then your expenses go up 30%, and you raise rent "12-14%" you just have a hell of a lot of money. Slightly less of a hell of a lot of money. [23:08] DaemonFC What a bunch of bastards. [23:08] schestowitz[TR] "sell the fucking houses motherfucker!" [23:08] schestowitz[TR] "how many house u got anyays, man!!" [23:08] DaemonFC The only thing that our landlord does is raise the rent and occasionally unclog a drain or replace a toilet flapper. [23:08] DaemonFC Other than insurance, the property taxes, and that, what is he paying for? [23:08] schestowitz[TR] "expenses" = making the houses worth more [23:09] DaemonFC Replacing some cheapass carpet between tenants? [23:09] DaemonFC A bucket of white paint? [23:09] schestowitz[TR] so they can sell the "assets" or "property" at a higher price [23:09] DaemonFC Those "expenses" are docked from the deposit you gave them. [23:09] schestowitz[TR] yeah [23:09] DaemonFC They find ways to keep docking it until it doesn't exist anymore, so if you move a lot you lose $1,000 a year or more on deposits alone. [23:10] schestowitz[TR] DaemonFC: hours old: [23:10] schestowitz[TR]
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    Hi folks, been a while -- was coordinating The Grand Migration of one apartment to another. [23:10] schestowitz[TR] [...] [23:10] schestowitz[TR] Read the damn contract. If you moved in and no one painted the apartment for you, then you don't need to paint it on the way out. [23:10] schestowitz[TR]

  • [23:10] DaemonFC The paint over our shower is gone. [23:10] DaemonFC From cleaning the mold off of it. [23:11] DaemonFC He didn't bother to paint the bathroom in moisture resistant paint, which they do make. [23:12] DaemonFC Every lease he draws up says that he takes no responsibility for molds, mildews, and fungus. [23:12] DaemonFC And it's in bold lettering. [23:12] DaemonFC You just have to keep fighting it back with chemicals. [23:13] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], Thank god I was able to finally turn off the dehumidifier and air conditioning and open the windows. [23:13] DaemonFC Our electric dropped from between 35 and 40 kilowatt hours per day to like 5-8. [23:14] DaemonFC "Overall, the ferocious run-up in rents has been driven by tenants desire for more space and location flexibility created by remote work; rising interest rates that have locked would-be buyers out of the for-sale market; and cost increases on delayed maintenance. But the one factor landlords track most closely is their customers ability to absorb higher rents." [23:14] DaemonFC Yes, he didn't ask what our current income is and I'm not going to just volunteer it. [23:15] DaemonFC He probably got us for what he figured he could based on the information he has. [23:15] DaemonFC Which is out of date, but who's going to admit that? [23:15] DaemonFC "Oh, we make a lot more now. Hit us again, and put some STANK on it!" [23:16] DaemonFC I might have stolen part of that frim Jim Carey in Liar Liar. [23:16] DaemonFC "Where would Tina Turner be today, if she just rolled over and said 'Hit me again, Ike! And put some stank on it!"? [23:16] DaemonFC "Rollin' down the river. That's where!" [23:17] DaemonFC schestowitz[TR], The mjg59_'s crybaby idiots would NEVER allow jokes like that in a movie script now. [23:17] MinceR https://64.media.tumblr.com/8979512ad824b573b898206cbcac1119/d9f82bea84c1305a-29/s640x960/cd71727c02484e81760218e0de95b8f309f75560.png ( https://textsfromsuperheroes.com/post/694422843033894912/newtrees ) [23:17] TR Bot Texts From Superheroes, Texts From Superheroes Facebook | Twitter |... [23:18] DaemonFC Nobody thought wife beating was okay then. There were domestic felony laws. Men went to prison. [23:18] DaemonFC But you could joke about it. It didn't mean you thought people should beat their wife and go unpunished. [23:19] DaemonFC The whole "Throw the lousy bum in prison and let's get on with it!". [23:20] IPFS () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-26.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-09-27.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi [23:21] DaemonFC The reason why so many wife beaters get away with it is twofold. Either the woman doesn't say anything because she has no income and no employment skills that would realistically let her out of the abusive marriage or she does go to the police and they threaten her. When my mom was beaten by Brian (Gonad), she went to the police department in Huntington, Indiana, and they told her if she tried to report it again, they'd find something to put [23:21] DaemonFC her in jail for because she was bothering them. [23:21] DaemonFC mjg59_, How do you feel about that? [23:22] DaemonFC Then she doesn't believe me when I tell her the police falsely accused me, made up charges, and lied and said I made incriminating statements. [23:23] DaemonFC After telling me that they threatened an abused battered woman who was asking them for help, who had been beaten black and blue and was standing right there in front of them. [23:24] DaemonFC This is one reason why I support open carry and repealing the Illinois FOID Act. [23:24] DaemonFC Women should get a gun and learn how to use it. [23:24] DaemonFC And if anyone in Chicago tries to rape them, they should blow the fucker's dick off with it. [23:24] DaemonFC And everyone should laugh at this stupid asshole who tried to rape a woman and got his dick blown off. [23:31] schestowitz[TR] https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/ederson-my-first-season-63799865 [23:31] TR Bot Ederson: My first season [23:32] DaemonFC Why are people afraid of the police? The police are as dangerous to the victims as they are to anyone else when they finally arrive on the scene. [23:32] DaemonFC Like [23:32] DaemonFC you know, nobody believes you. [23:32] DaemonFC It's terrible. [23:33] DaemonFC Nobody believes you unless they went through it as well. [23:33] DaemonFC And then nobody believes them because the system ruined their credibility like it did yours. [23:33] schestowitz[TR] off topic anyhoo.. [23:34] DaemonFC Facebook undermines your right to remain silent. [23:34] DaemonFC Because the government can go in there and dig up all of your posts and bring them to court. [23:34] schestowitz[TR] ok, but you did not talk about FB [23:34] schestowitz[TR] you talked about "blowing dicks" [23:35] schestowitz[TR] that's neither on topic nor relevant [23:35] schestowitz[TR] just off-puttingh [23:35] highest_cubist_thrills you talked about "blowing dicks" <- tbf thats the state of free software now anyway [23:35] highest_cubist_thrills /me was told to suck a dick the other day [23:35] highest_cubist_thrills it wasnt very specific, if i get to choose thats not too bad [23:35] highest_cubist_thrills i mean in here [23:36] DaemonFC https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/article%3Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.nytimes.com%252F2022%252F09%252F27%252Fbusiness%252Fbiden-student-debt-suit.html [23:36] TR Bot Gemini Portal [23:36] highest_cubist_thrills so yeah it comes up often enough [23:36] TR News Webspam. Promotional spam disguised as 'articles'. The WWW became a heap of trash. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/immotor-portable-power-station/ [23:36] TR Bot Save Up to 26% on an IMMOTOR Portable Power Station - Make Tech Easier [23:36] highest_cubist_thrills pun not intended [23:36] DaemonFC An Indiana attorney who is pursuing student loan forgiveness is suing to stop student loan forgiveness. [23:37] DaemonFC His lawsuit has a lot of problems. [23:38] TR News Like Microsoft, Oracle relies on crime to do "business" https://itwire.com/technology-regulation/oracle-fined-us$23m-for-violations-of-foreign-corrupt-practices-act.html http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/ [23:38] DaemonFC It makes non-factual statements about the program. He may not have standing to sue. Most of the judges on that court were appointed by Bill Clinton. [23:38] TR Bot - Oracle fined US$23m for violations of Foreign Corrupt Practices Act [23:38] TR Bot EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights [23:38] psydruid https://www.theverge.com/23373371/arm-chips-chip-shortage-ceo-rene-haas-tech-intel-apple-decoder [23:38] TR Bot How Arm conquered the chip market and survived the chip shortage, with CEO Rene Haas - The Verge [23:39] TR News "Khronos Group Welcomes Vastai Technologies as Contributor Membe" [23:39] DaemonFC At the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals his odds are better, but Biden has been installing judges there. If he steps it up, we could have two more Biden judges on that appeals court before it hears an appeal on this. [23:39] psydruid no mention of GNU/Linux or maybe one occurrence of Linux [23:39] DaemonFC They probably kick it out to a three judge panel and then you just get the judges you get. [23:39] highest_cubist_thrills linucks [23:41] starstreak linucks! [23:41] highest_cubist_thrills or as ive taken to calling it lately gnu+penguinshit [23:42] starstreak why not GNU slash penguinshit [23:42] highest_cubist_thrills no fucking idea [23:42] highest_cubist_thrills there are many mysteries of stallman i have sought to understand, and did not come up wanting [23:43] highest_cubist_thrills but two things the wisdom of which are beyond my ken [23:43] highest_cubist_thrills are why he went from / to + [23:43] highest_cubist_thrills when the TRUTH is gnu was DIVIDED by linux, NOT added to by it [23:43] highest_cubist_thrills or what his fucking beef with "content" is [23:43] highest_cubist_thrills roy has tried to explain [23:43] highest_cubist_thrills but its roy [23:44] schestowitz-TR 27th ends here in 17 mins [23:44] schestowitz-TR end of gnu at 39 [23:44] highest_cubist_thrills of course i think hes wiser than nearly one else in the field he more or less created [23:44] DaemonFC They got to this point because HURD was an unworkable kernel design from someone who was obviously insane. [23:44] highest_cubist_thrills (which is a shame, as he is most likely mortal) [23:44] DaemonFC And they could have adopted a BSD kernel instead. [23:44] schestowitz-TR not gpl [23:44] DaemonFC So? [23:44] schestowitz-TR also remember time [23:44] schestowitz-TR 1980s [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills but i may never know why + midstream [23:45] schestowitz-TR bsd was not out there yet [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills or why content is such a terrible word [23:45] DaemonFC You can wrap BSD software in the GPL. [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills bsd was not out there yet <- you should write a book [23:45] DaemonFC Same way proprietary licenses can wrap BSD. [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills called "things about bsd im wrong about" [23:45] highest_cubist_thrills youve got a great start [23:45] starstreak lol [23:45] DaemonFC The BSD kernels were out around the same time Linux was. [23:46] highest_cubist_thrills like "a kernel is a license" [23:46] highest_cubist_thrills it isnt [23:46] schestowitz "March 9, 1978; 44 years ago" [23:46] schestowitz oh, right.. [23:46] schestowitz 5 years before gnu [23:46] highest_cubist_thrills and bsd was treading water when linucks came into the picture [23:47] highest_cubist_thrills but its a damned shame the fsf was like [23:47] highest_cubist_thrills "oh sorry, ill call someone. bye." [23:47] *Noisytoot has quit (Connection closed) [23:47] highest_cubist_thrills i mean maybe thats not accurate. be nice if they helped. [23:47] *Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [23:47] highest_cubist_thrills gnu tried to avoid linux as long as it could [23:47] *Noisytoot_ (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [23:47] highest_cubist_thrills in hindsight it should have kept trying [23:47] *Noisytoot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:48] highest_cubist_thrills counterrevolution os more like [23:48] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [23:48] DaemonFC The problem with BSD, legally, was that there was the lawsuit regarding it. [23:48] DaemonFC And Linux people used the lawsuit as FUD. [23:48] highest_cubist_thrills i dont think linus ever intended it that way [23:48] DaemonFC Like, hey nobody's suing us! [23:48] highest_cubist_thrills but he was groomed to be a corporate shill [23:48] DaemonFC And then SCO happened a decade later. [23:48] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@tkbibjhmbkvb8.irc) has joined #techrights [23:48] highest_cubist_thrills not as bad as the others-- the others are worse [23:48] highest_cubist_thrills except tso [23:49] DaemonFC SCO was actually a much worse lawsuit than USL's against BSD's was. [23:49] highest_cubist_thrills sorry i mean theodore "rape apologist" tso [23:49] highest_cubist_thrills its theo isnt it? [23:49] starstreak Revolution OS: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jw8K460vx1c [23:49] highest_cubist_thrills tso had too much attack surface [23:49] TR Bot Revolution OS - Invidious [23:49] DaemonFC The USL BSD lawsuit was settled quickly and I think they just said that they had no objections to it as long as they removed two files. [23:49] starstreak "I'm your worst nightmare" -ESR [23:49] DaemonFC So they did, and that was the end of that. [23:49] schestowitz-TR tso criticised the attack on iraq [23:49] highest_cubist_thrills hes *a* worst nightmare at least [23:49] starstreak oh shit, attack surface [23:49] schestowitz-TR that must be a coc violation or something [23:50] DaemonFC mjg59_ hasn't stated a position on the Iraq War. [23:50] DaemonFC I wonder why. [23:50] schestowitz-TR "I'm your worst nightmare btw" [23:50] highest_cubist_thrills you talked about "blowing dicks" <- he should have said sucking cocs [23:50] highest_cubist_thrills because cocs definitely suck [23:50] schestowitz-TR he did not even rub two thighs [23:50] DaemonFC He's for all the crimes the government wants to commit because they'll stop paying him if he's not. [23:50] highest_cubist_thrills ibm are cocmasters [23:50] highest_cubist_thrills sorry, cocmains [23:51] schestowitz-TR comcasters [23:51] DaemonFC mjg59_ is on the Dark Side because they pay better over there. [23:51] highest_cubist_thrills he did not even rub two thighs <- when ballmer goes to kfc, they know just what he likes [23:51] schestowitz-TR "^ thighs please" [23:51] highest_cubist_thrills /me went to kfc in the uk [23:51] schestowitz-TR "sixpack on the grill" [23:52] highest_cubist_thrills no surprise, the chips are better there [23:52] highest_cubist_thrills they have to be, or who would buy them [23:52] DaemonFC Give me a bucket of BIGBOOBIES. -Microsoft people at KFC [23:52] highest_cubist_thrills its not that americans cant make proper chips [23:52] highest_cubist_thrills they just dont [23:52] schestowitz-TR give me sixpack/sexpack, or you are missing out [23:52] highest_cubist_thrills why do they want inferior chips? its a mystery [23:53] highest_cubist_thrills or you are missing out <- well not anymore [23:53] highest_cubist_thrills if youre a free software leader going to lieplanet [23:53] highest_cubist_thrills youre gonna get fucked one way or another [23:53] DaemonFC You know that code was written by a Boomer. Millennials only eat ass. [23:53] schestowitz-TR fsck.ext4 [23:53] schestowitz-TR for details, ask tso [23:53] schestowitz-TR he's the ext expert [23:53] schestowitz-TR but don't fsck with him [23:53] highest_cubist_thrills /me is not in love with ext [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills mincer hasnt forgiven him for ext4 [23:54] schestowitz-TR the early one? [23:54] DaemonFC I moved everything to BtrFS a while back. [23:54] starstreak i use btrfs [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills idk [23:54] starstreak btw [23:54] schestowitz-TR that killed off small files? [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills i use btrfs <- btw [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills you should use btwfs [23:54] DaemonFC I was using XFS before that. [23:54] starstreak lol [23:54] schestowitz-TR lol [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills if you wait, systemd will have its own filesystem too [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills maybe itll be based on [23:54] highest_cubist_thrills systemd-ebcdicd [23:54] DaemonFC The performance of Ext3 was terrible. Just terrible. [23:55] schestowitz-TR buttewwwww ef ass [23:55] highest_cubist_thrills then we can talk about how much ebcdic sucks [23:55] highest_cubist_thrills :) [23:55] MinceR 28 005410 < schestowitz-TR> the early one? [23:55] highest_cubist_thrills "kiss my ascii!" [23:55] MinceR the default settings were a recipe for data loss [23:55] MinceR they kind of still are [23:55] MinceR but at least now it's enough to set nodelalloc [23:55] highest_cubist_thrills they kind of still are <- i dont miss ext [23:55] starstreak i would use reiser4 but it apparently chops up pieces of your files and hides them from police [23:55] DaemonFC XFS only had trouble deleting lots and lots of very small files. I talked to Eric Sandeen about that and asked if there was a way to batch up the file deletions and then commit everything in one go. [23:55] MinceR XFS also had trouble keeping data across system crashes [23:55] highest_cubist_thrills i would use reiser4 but it apparently chops up pieces of your files and hides them from police <- zing [23:56] DaemonFC He said he'd look into that and it ended up in the driver pretty quickly. [23:56] highest_cubist_thrills i would use reiser4 but its only available in templeos [23:56] MinceR though i've heard they implemented whatever fixing journaling needed for that [23:56] highest_cubist_thrills i mean, i understand that at the time it had some cool features [23:56] starstreak freebsd uses zfs [23:56] highest_cubist_thrills but its not like the holy grail anymore is it [23:56] MinceR i tried btrfs when it was allegedly stable and supported and it was an unreliable mess [23:56] highest_cubist_thrills cool features [23:56] highest_cubist_thrills but its not like the holy grail anymore is it#techrights : 09/27/22 22:56 <- frenchbsd uses "zfs" too [23:56] MinceR afaik zfs eats memory like a fat kid eats candy [23:56] highest_cubist_thrills "we put zos on zfs!" [23:57] highest_cubist_thrills they only talk that way because they were occupied by germany [23:57] MinceR so in the end i decided to stick with ext3 on Linux for stability, then ext4 when the ext3 driver was retired [23:57] schestowitz-TR the zfs for linux is controlled by microsoft [23:57] MinceR and on OpenBSD, i used the default ffs/ufs [23:57] schestowitz-TR in proprietary software toolset that spies for the NSA [23:57] highest_cubist_thrills so in the end i decided to stick with ext3 on Linux for stability <- i did this to avoid ubuntus suicide cocktail of ext4 and fyfs [23:57] frog ext2 has benefit still: it's userspace utilities are implemented in busybox and toybox (and probably suckless.org ubase/sbase) [23:57] highest_cubist_thrills "can i resize this so its smaller?" "no, fy!" [23:57] starstreak On my FreeBSD VM, i use zfs and xorg with mate and it uses 350MB ram [23:57] XRevan86 DaemonFC: How old was your XFS installation? [23:58] highest_cubist_thrills ubuntu <- i used trisquel btw [23:58] highest_cubist_thrills and xorg with mate <- ... [23:58] highest_cubist_thrills :) [23:58] frog ext2 is/was even available with micros~1 vista7 [23:58] highest_cubist_thrills freebsd with mate-- all it needs is edge (browser) [23:58] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:59] starstreak lol chrome based browsers don't exist on freebsd [23:59] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@xij34f3u7y28y.irc) has joined #techrights [23:59] XRevan86 highest_cubist_thrills: Funny joke. [23:59] highest_cubist_thrills i mean if i say enough ridiculous things [23:59] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:59] highest_cubist_thrills one of them is bound to be somewhat amusing