●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, December 27, 2020 ●● ● Dec 27 [00:31] DaemonFC[m] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089035/Covid-infected-Santa-visits-Belgium-care-home-kills-18-residents-121-fell-ill-outbreak.html [00:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Covid-infected Santa visits Belgium care home and kills 18 residents after 121 fell ill in outbreak | Daily Mail Online [00:32] DaemonFC[m] "Well I sure hope you've been good this year!" [00:37] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: Mom asked why the RV that exploded was saying how many minutes they had to evacuate. [00:38] DaemonFC[m] I said, "Well obviously the bomber was a fan of The Fifth Element.". [00:40] MinceR :> [00:52] DaemonFC[m] In any sort of sane government, they would pass an amendment after this to shorten the Lame Duck period of an outgoing president by another month or so. [00:52] DaemonFC[m] It's already been done before. Thank God. Things would be far worse if Trump was able to remain in office through March 4th. [00:55] DaemonFC[m] The 20th amendment was passed precisely just because there could be a national emergency and an outgoing administration, like Trump, who didn't feel obligated to do anything about it. [00:58] DaemonFC[m] The most notable past occasions at the time of the amendment passing were Lincoln being stuck in the transition while southern states were seceding and FDR not being able to take office while President Hoover wasn't doing anything about the Great Depression. ● Dec 27 [02:00] *rianne_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:00] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:00] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:00] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:01] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:01] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:02] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:05] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [02:42] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:42] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:42] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [02:42] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:43] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:43] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [02:49] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [02:50] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 27 [03:32] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [03:33] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:45] *davisr (~davisr@cpe-70-92-166-130.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #techrights [03:49] *davisr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) ● Dec 27 [04:10] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:11] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [04:40] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:48] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [04:53] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [04:53] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:53] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:54] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [04:56] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) ● Dec 27 [05:01] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:07] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [05:11] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [05:17] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft says they plan to refine the WIndows segmentheap and eventually make it impossible to compile new applications that use legacy heap. [05:17] DaemonFC[m] So I don't know why Google is backing it out instead of refining it in Chrome. [05:18] *Sajesajama (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights [05:52] DaemonFC[m] https://www.zdnet.com/article/rocky-linux-first-release-is-coming-in-q2-2021-say-developers/ [05:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Rocky Linux: First release is coming in Q2 2021 say developers | ZDNet [05:52] DaemonFC[m] Looks like Red Hat overplayed their hand with CentOS. [05:52] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [05:52] DaemonFC[m] Now people who don't want to do a hard switchover can just change their yum sources and be running Rocky Linux soon. [05:53] DaemonFC[m] https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-defender-for-linux-adds-new-security-feature/ [05:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Microsoft Defender for Linux adds new security feature | ZDNet [05:53] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: "Rich investigation experience". [05:54] DaemonFC[m] Usually the investigation into cyberattacks involving Windows are more like the FBI combing over the rubble after a bomb has already gone off. [05:56] schestowitz zdnet spam [05:56] schestowitz won't click ● Dec 27 [06:02] DaemonFC[m] Mozilla managed to ruin Firefox for Android even worse than the desktop browser. [06:02] DaemonFC[m] You can't even install bypass paywalls anymore. [06:03] schestowitz Mozilla/Tiger Oakes (Saturday): "Ive been moving many repositories over to GitHub Actions to automate deployment and testing..." So #mozilla is a lost cause, outsourcing to #microsoft #proprietarySoftware #monopoly (Goodbye, "Open Web!") [06:03] schestowitz that's from yesterday [06:05] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Higan has turned into a total mess since the "community" builds on GitHub and the license changes. [06:07] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [06:07] psydroid I use Mednafen with the snes_faust engine for SNES games, it works even on low-end SBCs unlike Higan/Bsnes Snes9x [06:12] DaemonFC[m] I'm trying out startpage as my search engine on the desktop. [06:19] schestowitz it's spyware [06:19] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage [06:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights [06:25] DaemonFC[m] Might as well use DuckDuckGo then I guess. [06:26] schestowitz no, worse [06:27] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/02/ddg-privacy-abuser-in-disguise/ [06:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why People Should Never Ever Use DuckDuckGo | Techrights ● Dec 27 [07:01] schestowitz iophk: #FSF is now #openwashing #Microsoft by omission https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/freedom-memories-and-campaigning-for-free-software [07:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org | Freedom, memories, and campaigning for free software Free Software Foundation Working together for free software [07:01] schestowitz i think vZS1 caught this first [07:46] vZS1 That's the article with 12 mentions of Apple and one sheepish mention of Microsoft [07:46] vZS1 Still the same [07:48] vZS1 FSF is basically Microsoft PR [07:48] vZS1 They will bash everyone but Microsoft [07:49] vZS1 Same situation with EFF [07:49] vZS1 And Linux Foundation ● Dec 27 [08:17] schestowitz I have just done a video about Nokia and it talks about what you said re FSF [08:18] schestowitz I will also quote the above in the body [08:20] Techrights-sec2 Ok. I'll take a look in a short while. [08:22] schestowitz Video: How Microsoft Killed Nokia and Harmed an Entire Country [08:24] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) [08:25] mjg59 Nokia killed itself [08:25] mjg59 They didn't need Microsoft's help [08:26] schestowitz liar [08:26] mjg59 If they hadn't thrown away their first two attempts at a Linux platform, they might have stood a chance [08:26] mjg59 But by the time they could actually ship the N9, it was far too late [08:27] mjg59 Series 60 was obsolete, so wasn't going to save them either [08:27] mjg59 They simply didn't have a competitive OS when they neededone [08:28] Techrights-sec2 It's important to occasionally revist these topics. [08:28] Techrights-sec2 The mainstream media does not. However, the microsofters [08:28] Techrights-sec2 continuously press revisionism for years, if not decades. [08:28] mjg59 Which left Elop with having to choose between Android (where they'd have had nothing to differentiate themselves against others) or Windows Phone (where Microsoft were willing to do a meaningful amount of engineering work in collaboration) [08:29] Techrights-sec2 Nokia had Maemo, ELop killed it. Somewhere Ahonen went into detail about that. [08:29] Techrights-sec2 but that is one his most difficult to find blog posts. [08:29] Techrights-sec2 It goes against the narratives of the revisionists. [08:29] mjg59 Maemo was already dead before the burning platform memo [08:30] mjg59 It had been merged with Meego [08:30] mjg59 Which delayed it even further [08:30] mjg59 Sorry, merged with Moblin into Meego [08:30] mjg59 Which meant transitioning from deb to rpm [08:31] mjg59 Which took a bunch of engineering work that could have been used for something else [08:31] mjg59 Like making the platform actually work [08:31] Techrights-sec2 The Nokia board is probably cirminally liable for what went on, but [08:31] Techrights-sec2 corruption and misplaced nationalism will prevent that from EVER being [08:31] Techrights-sec2 addressed in court. [08:32] mjg59 All of that happened well before Elop took over [08:33] mjg59 The N9 only shipped when it did because pretty much everyone had been taken off the second Meego phone to fix the N9, which meant they wouldn't have had a followup until 2013 at best [08:34] mjg59 The leadership was terrible [08:34] Techrights-sec2 https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/nokia-under-elop-his-3-years-performance-review-worst-ceo-of-all-time-all-the-facts-in-pictures.html [08:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Under Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures [08:34] Techrights-sec2 Not the main link but one of many on the topic. [08:35] mjg59 Yeah, Nokia tanked while Elop was running it [08:35] mjg59 Because Android and iOS were dominating the market and Nokia had nothing to compete [08:35] mjg59 Because previous leadership kept fucking up [08:35] mjg59 You don't just get to write a competitive platform in a year [08:36] Techrights-sec2 One of the main Aincentives for Elop to sabotage everything was the [08:36] Techrights-sec2 $25 million bonus that the board offered him to sell to M$. [08:37] Techrights-sec2 https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/the-final-reckoning-of-burning-platforms-memo-damaged-nokia-by-wiping-out-13b-in-revenues-and-destro.html [08:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: The Final Reckoning: Burning Platforms Memo Damaged Nokia: Wiped out $13B revenues, Destroyed $4B profits in just 12 months [08:38] mjg59 Anyone who's arguing that Symbian was a viable platform in 2011 is detached from reality [08:42] Techrights-sec2 Nokia got out of phones permanently. THey have no plans or intention to return [08:42] Techrights-sec2 Networking is their focus now. However, they have an M$ infrastructure [08:42] Techrights-sec2 including M$ Outlook / M$ Exchange and thus have not capabilities ofholding [08:42] Techrights-sec2 any trade secrets until they switch infrastructures. [08:42] Techrights-sec2 https://macdailynews.com/2013/06/28/nokias-stephen-elop-the-worst-ceo-of-all-time/ [08:42] Techrights-sec2 https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/06/sherlock-holmes-and-the-hounds-of-the-basket-case-clues-on-the-trail-of-elop-ballmer-and-nokias-boar.html [08:42] Techrights-sec2 Symbian was dead lnong before the M$ attack. It was being phased out. [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nokia's Stephen Elop: The worst CEO of all time - MacDailyNews [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Sherlock Holmes and the Hounds of the Basket Case: Clues on the trail of Elop, Ballmer and Nokia's Board [08:42] mjg59 Analysts continually underestimated how much demand there was for iOS (they were fixated on things like it not having cut and paste in iOS 1, whereas everyone else was happy they could have a phone with a browser that actually worked) [08:42] Techrights-sec2 bbl [08:42] Techrights-sec2 few minutes [08:43] mjg59 And the fact that cheap Android devices would become ubiquitous in that time frame [08:43] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:44] mjg59 schestowitz: Anyway, I can provide a completely coherent argument for why Nokia were fucked. Want to provide substantive evidence that I'm lying? [08:45] schestowitz This is Netscape-type revisionism [08:45] schestowitz same style [08:45] schestowitz similar talking point [08:45] schestowitz blaming the victim for their own demise [08:45] schestowitz by saying they were doomed all along [08:45] schestowitz by their own making [08:46] schestowitz I myself won't participate in this time-wasting [08:46] schestowitz i made a video [08:46] schestowitz I am uploading it now, it'll take hours as it seems throttled at ISP level [08:47] mjg59 You do seem extremely enthusiastic about defaming me [08:47] schestowitz that video also mentions FSF [08:47] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [08:47] mjg59 You're welcome to disagree [08:47] schestowitz they've lost touch with real threats [08:47] mjg59 Or say that I'm wrong [08:47] schestowitz defaming you? [08:47] schestowitz saying you lie is defaming? [08:47] mjg59 If I'm not lying, yeah [08:48] schestowitz so each politician accusing another of being a liar would end up in a court over slander? [08:48] mjg59 You're making a statement of fact that casts me in a negative light [08:48] schestowitz you ARE lying [08:48] schestowitz and twisting history [08:48] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [08:48] mjg59 Oh, whether it reaches the level of criminal defamation isn't something I'm going to argue about [08:48] schestowitz you are maybe not a liar if you do this by accident [08:48] schestowitz [08:48] You're making a statement of fact that casts me in a negative light [08:49] schestowitz your own actions cast you in a negative light [08:49] schestowitz like boosting Microsoft stuff and agenda [08:49] schestowitz you help a bunch of criminals [08:49] schestowitz and now you help a surveillance and espionage operation [08:49] schestowitz known as Google [08:49] schestowitz so your own actions and choice harm you [08:49] schestowitz not me [08:49] schestowitz I just point it out [08:50] mjg59 That's all completely fair criticism, even if I'd disagree with the characterisations [08:50] mjg59 But calling me a liar isn't fair criticism [08:50] schestowitz to confront this accusation you need to show you accidentally tell falsehoods [08:50] schestowitz I wrote and covered Nokia far more than you have [08:51] mjg59 Ok. So why did Nokia fail to launch a Linux phone until 2011? [08:51] schestowitz falsehood again [08:51] schestowitz bye [08:51] schestowitz waste of time [08:51] mjg59 Eh sorry yes the N900 was before that [08:52] mjg59 So, apologies, that was incorrect [08:52] mjg59 Instead, why did it take two years between the N900 and the N9? [08:52] mjg59 And why did it take 4 years from the N770 to the N900? [08:53] mjg59 Would a well-run company take that long? [08:56] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Dec 27 [09:02] Techrights-sec2 I don't know much of the internal politics. [09:02] Techrights-sec2 What I do recall is that they had a phone that was about to hit the market which [09:02] Techrights-sec2 was getting better reviews than the iPhone. [09:02] Techrights-sec2 Elop killed that as soon as he arrived. [09:02] Techrights-sec2 His contract also contained the $25 million bonus from the board of directors, [09:02] Techrights-sec2 conditional on selling the company to M$ [09:02] Techrights-sec2 Seriously the microsofters are able to repeat their lies because everyone else [09:02] Techrights-sec2 has moved on. [09:03] Techrights-sec2 However, Tomi Ahonen documented it all. The best part was his accuracy in [09:03] Techrights-sec2 the predictions he made. [09:03] Techrights-sec2 He usually or always went back to review them and compare them with the facts, [09:03] Techrights-sec2 once they were known. [09:03] Techrights-sec2 https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/01/continuing-nokia-disaster-in-just-one-picture-today-picture-6-revenues-what-ceo-is-allowed-to-volunt.html [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Continuing Nokia Disaster in Just One Picture, today Picture 6: Revenues. What CEO is Allowed to Voluntarily Wipe Out Half of Total Revenues? Elop Thats Who [09:03] Techrights-sec2 Meego: https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/02/nokia-autopsy-on-meego-one-last-look-back-before-we-look-forward-on-the-new-nokia.html [09:03] mjg59 The N9 wasn't reviewed or released until months after Elop arrived [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Autopsy on MeeGo - One last look back, Before we look forward on the New Nokia [09:04] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [09:06] Techrights-sec2 Elop started in Sept, however, by August there were already worries among enrengineers about a mole from M$. Couldn't get more info about it though. [09:14] Techrights-sec2 Elop inflicted the Windows pPhone : [09:14] Techrights-sec2 https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2014/12/bizarre-stat-of-the-day-microsoft-and-nokia-have-only-achieved-50m-lumia-activations-seriously-out-o.html [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Bizarre Stat of the Day: Microsoft (and Nokia) have only achieved 50M Lumia activations? Seriously? Out of 76M shipments? What happened to the other 26M? Seriously! Tossed into garbage by retail? [09:14] Techrights-sec2 https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/08/open-letter-to-nokia-shareholders.html [09:14] Techrights-sec2 N9 [09:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Open Letter to Nokia Shareholders [09:17] Techrights-sec2 tldr; Elop couldn't stop the N9 but he could stop it from selling. [09:26] vZS1 When I saw Nokia putting Windows on their phones I knew it was game over. But I didn't realise the whole company gambled on that [09:26] vZS1 Techrights-sec2: so basically MS corruption killed Nokia [09:27] vZS1 I wasn't really aware of this [09:27] vZS1 $25 mil bonus to sell to Microsoft [09:28] vZS1 schestowitz: this should be summarised in the TR wiki [09:29] schestowitz it is [09:29] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia [09:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Nokia - Techrights [09:32] schestowitz vZS1: I am uploading a video that summarises much of this [09:32] vZS1 The TR homepage really needs an overhaul. You should put the Wiki and daily bulletin on the front [09:33] schestowitz vZS1: mjg59 I mostly ignore for now [09:33] schestowitz as did Torvalds [09:33] schestowitz he's shilling what caused many Red Hat servers to no longer boot earlier this year [09:33] vZS1 That's a nick on my ignore list [09:33] schestowitz vZS1: yeah, I need to add stuff to it [09:33] vZS1 Must be a good reason why [09:33] schestowitz but... [09:34] schestowitz not sure the current drupal layout suits us best [09:34] schestowitz when we took as GLA (London Town Hall now) as a client I needed some drupal 7 exercise [09:34] schestowitz so I set up that site with new visitors in mind, people who never saw the site before [09:35] schestowitz do you want to sketch a front page with what you think best suits new visitors and gives death at the same time? [09:35] schestowitz maybe now that it's quiet we can get that done [09:35] schestowitz my understanding is that Ariadne wants to toss, as-in, the VMs, into the new datacentre [09:35] schestowitz then we'll update DNS records [09:35] schestowitz then turn things into containers, on the 'other side' [09:36] schestowitz so migration might be a lot more rapid than I had budgeted time for [09:36] Techrights-sec2 Maybe there ought to be something on the TR annual calendar to revisit [09:36] Techrights-sec2 various topics on their anniversiaries, such as the anniversary of Elop [09:36] Techrights-sec2 getting fired from Nokia. [09:36] Techrights-sec2 Rehashing is important because the microsoft boosters repeat their lies [09:36] Techrights-sec2 for so many years even after being debunked. [09:36] Techrights-sec2 \ [09:37] vZS1 Techrights-sec2: I support this idea [09:37] vZS1 Will help combat the revisionism [09:37] *tr_guest|13 (6b4dc97f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.107.77.201.127) has joined #techrights [09:37] schestowitz what's the plan for front page? the wiki used to be front page [09:37] vZS1 Kind of a "this day in history" kind of thing [09:37] schestowitz techrights.org/wiki [09:38] vZS1 I say turn the front page into 3 blocks. Top block has the most recent daily bulletin and link to the rest of them. [09:38] vZS1 Send block most recent wiki entry and link to the rest [09:39] vZS1 Third block "this day on history" [09:39] schestowitz can you sketch it? I'd then style it a bit [09:39] vZS1 And then make a dynamic index of the site as a separate page [09:39] *tr_guest|13 has quit (Client Quit) [09:39] schestowitz or maybe I can do something with drupal [09:39] schestowitz like a new landing page [09:39] vZS1 Keep it simple [09:40] vZS1 Contact details on right column with PGP key link [09:40] schestowitz or show a site to mimic (which does this [09:40] vZS1 I'll send a sketch in a bit [09:40] vZS1 Can just use GIMP [09:41] schestowitz can't wrap my head around what common/new visitors know/think/want to find [09:41] schestowitz we can make that page static [09:42] schestowitz with link to the drupal page as heavier alternative [09:42] schestowitz http://techrights.org/home/ [09:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rights [09:42] schestowitz I can use apache to separate that out from / (root) [09:46] schestowitz Let's do a fresh static page [09:46] schestowitz leave drupal aside [09:46] *birkoff has quit (Quit: Goodbye) [09:46] schestowitz drupal will be for "new visitors' [09:46] schestowitz http://techrights.org/home/ [09:46] schestowitz pages such as this http://techrights.org/home/techbytes-video [09:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | TechBytes Video | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age [09:48] schestowitz vZS1: remember most EPO staff reads the site and comes to it just for EPO articles, so we might want a section on "latest re EPO" [09:48] schestowitz usually they just search "epo techrights" [09:48] schestowitz and then come to http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO [09:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights [09:48] vZS1 Just let the search bar on one of the wings [09:48] schestowitz I don't want to iFrame that page [09:49] vZS1 i.e. left or right column [09:49] schestowitz it's hard to pull this list into a non-php page otherwise [09:49] schestowitz search bar is not useful [09:49] schestowitz because the wordpress search is only for wordpress [09:49] schestowitz it does not cover the wiki [09:49] schestowitz the wiki has its own search, the mediawiki one [09:50] vZS1 Just link to a page with info on how to search the different parts [09:51] schestowitz in schestowitz.com I used static page [09:51] schestowitz it binds together many things [09:51] schestowitz incl. links to the prior front pages [09:53] vZS1 A link about notifications (RSS) wouldn't hurt either. [09:53] vZS1 But these should be in the wings [09:54] vZS1 Split the middle into 3 rows [09:54] vZS1 Fairly short each [09:55] vZS1 R0: bulletin, R1: wiki, R3: this day in history [09:55] schestowitz older homepage http://schestowitz.com/index.htm [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com [09:55] vZS1 That way people see the latest material and can then go find more [09:56] schestowitz and php version of it http://schestowitz.com/indexphp.php [09:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com [09:56] schestowitz for techrights I need this visualised [09:56] schestowitz and it's hard to do over irc [09:56] vZS1 I'll send a sketch [09:56] vZS1 Not at computer rn [09:56] schestowitz I'm comfortable with the design/graphics aspects [09:57] schestowitz but the layout is not a science [09:57] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-dluuayxvrjtwibql) has joined #techrights [09:58] schestowitz wow, some of my site is badly out of date [09:58] schestowitz like 17 years http://schestowitz.com/Bookmarks/local_feeds.htm [09:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roy Schestowitz - Local Feeds [09:58] schestowitz Rojo, "my MSN" :-) ● Dec 27 [10:14] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:16] Techrights-sec2 "This day in history" would be a good category. [10:16] Techrights-sec2 Elop was acquired by M$ through the purchase of Nokia but fired him [10:16] Techrights-sec2 the next year in June. [10:16] Techrights-sec2 The Acquisition went through in a September. [10:17] vZS1_2 I'm just about to share the sketch I made [10:17] vZS1_2 Gimme a sec [10:17] schestowitz a decade ago we used lots of magpierss to convert certain feeds into html [10:17] schestowitz even inside the wiki using plugins [10:17] schestowitz then it stopped working [10:17] schestowitz we never bothered repairing it [10:18] schestowitz there are ways we can get lists of things (e.g. bulletins) without making the page dynamic and cpu-heavy [10:18] schestowitz the new page would need to also link to /home (for new visitors) [10:18] schestowitz blog, and the wiki [10:19] schestowitz Cartoon: The Message Is Loud and Clear [10:19] schestowitz https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/cartoon-the-message-is-loud-and-clear/d/d-id/1339787 [10:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Cartoon: The Message Is Loud and Clear [10:20] vZS1_2 schestowitz: https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmS6VKZyeNwHw9QR5RxPfx2Js9tpLV9E8m66p3i7YtUTTt [10:20] vZS1_2 Hopefully that gives an idea of what I meant [10:22] scientes http://elbrus2k.wikidot.com/elbrus-compilers [10:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-elbrus2k.wikidot.com | Elbrus Compilers - Elbrus2k [10:24] schestowitz vZS1_2: minimalist page? [10:24] vZS1_2 Yes [10:24] schestowitz and if so, in what sense? [10:24] schestowitz visual, cpu? [10:24] schestowitz clutter? [10:24] vZS1_2 Clutter [10:24] schestowitz can you cite an example/site you like? [10:25] vZS1_2 Is the link to the sketch working? [10:25] schestowitz I've related the link over ytalk [10:25] scientes yeah, I don't think there is any payoff to making CPUs faster [10:25] schestowitz to get more feedback [10:25] scientes everybody just pretends to listen while nodding their heads, and then asks "how will this make _me_ rich?" [10:26] scientes (most of the economy in the US is like this) [10:26] vZS1_2 I thought of the following things when I came up with that layout [10:26] schestowitz vZS1_2: the link works, I now think how to best implement it [10:26] vZS1_2 0) What is going on RIGHT NOW? [10:26] schestowitz bulletins can update the page [10:26] schestowitz as part of the worklow [10:27] schestowitz put the right datastamp in [10:27] vZS1_2 1) How do I contact you? [10:27] vZS1_2 2) How do I find stuff? [10:27] vZS1_2 That's it [10:27] Techrights-sec2 Will the proposed layout have any effect on the ?stories layout? [10:27] Techrights-sec2 Or just the main page? [10:27] vZS1_2 This is just a proposal for the main page [10:27] vZS1_2 No intended side-effects [10:27] schestowitz No impact on any existing page, it's about where / (root) will link to or what it will show [10:28] Techrights-sec2 ALso, how to automate the fight against revisionism panel? [10:28] Techrights-sec2 Topics in a calendar would do but what kind of calendar? [10:28] vZS1_2 Plain white background. Simple line borders/separators [10:29] schestowitz doable [10:29] schestowitz as a starting point also easier [10:29] schestowitz many of our readers are web minimalists [10:29] *rianne_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [10:30] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:31] Techrights-sec2 Yes, that's a better rpoposal for root than the existing one. [10:33] Techrights-sec2 The fight against revisionism panel should't change too often, [10:33] Techrights-sec2 time is needed for re-exposure IMO [10:33] Techrights-sec2 Maybe have it update as "this week in histor" ? [10:33] vZS1_2 This week in history also works [10:33] vZS1_2 And that's a good point [10:34] schestowitz Who can maintain this and make a calendar? Seems like overhead/burden in the long run, like many other parts of the site now neglected (chairlet awards etc.) [10:34] vZS1_2 I think you should split it up between admin and material [10:35] vZS1_2 People can suggest material and then you can just shove it in there with a script [10:36] schestowitz in the sketch you have made, where do latest blog posts go? [10:37] schestowitz also, should the latest video be embedded? Or too much bloat? [10:37] vZS1_2 Too much bloat [10:37] vZS1_2 People can look at the site index for that [10:37] schestowitz unless the page itself runs some code (cgi/php), it'll need to be written to by something [10:37] schestowitz and then there's chance it'll break and become blank [10:37] vZS1_2 And doesn't the bulletin aggregate all that anyway? [10:38] vZS1_2 videos/blog post [10:38] schestowitz let me see if I can find a good starting point to skip table body tr td etc. [10:38] vZS1_2 I wouldn't put more than 3 things in the middle of the root page [10:39] vZS1_2 People clicking on the bulletin links will find the videos and blog posts anyway [10:40] vZS1_2 How you implement things is up to you but KISS [10:40] schestowitz no special css? [10:41] vZS1_2 nope [10:41] schestowitz css is not bw or cpu heavy [10:41] schestowitz this is 2004: http://schestowitz.com/Projects/AART/AART-Entry.htm [10:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Roy Schestowitz [10:41] vZS1_2 ik but it's an extra thing to maintain [10:41] schestowitz I made it with CSS mostly [10:41] vZS1_2 HTML5 is plenty enough [10:42] schestowitz for text, layout, boxes [10:42] schestowitz 16 years ago [10:42] schestowitz https://www.freebsd.org/ [10:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.freebsd.org | The FreeBSD Project [10:42] schestowitz they do lots of css [10:42] schestowitz https://www.kernel.org/ [10:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kernel.org | The Linux Kernel Archives [10:42] schestowitz also css [10:42] vZS1_2 You can if you want to [10:42] vZS1_2 Just keep the form and colours simple [10:42] vZS1_2 FreeBSD is a good example actually [10:43] vZS1_2 Minimal colour scheme [10:43] vZS1_2 Dead simple layout [10:44] schestowitz which is better? [10:44] schestowitz also for phones etc. [10:44] schestowitz I'll get it all done today, I DO have the time [10:44] schestowitz will need to test with some devices around here [10:45] vZS1_2 Kernel is better for phone [10:45] vZS1_2 More elegant as well [10:45] vZS1_2 FreeBSD doesn't have good enough grouping [10:45] vZS1_2 relatively, looks a bit messy [10:46] vZS1_2 On phones you always want to think in terms of scrolling [10:46] schestowitz no scrolling? [10:46] vZS1_2 Whereas with laptops/desktops you can think more in terms of a wide screen [10:46] vZS1_2 Up to you [10:46] schestowitz or horizonal no-no? [10:46] schestowitz *zontal [10:47] schestowitz well, if we add banners and graphics, we lose width flexibility [10:47] schestowitz sans zooming [10:47] schestowitz which then impacts text, too [10:47] schestowitz so maybe imageless [10:47] vZS1_2 I would go with imageless [10:47] vZS1_2 Images overcomplicate everything [10:47] schestowitz kernel.org is no good [10:48] schestowitz for narrow screens the banner at the top has no fallback and won't rescale [10:48] schestowitz the width is very rigid [10:48] schestowitz and doesn't take advantage of wide screens at all [10:48] schestowitz like our old (2006) blog layout [10:48] vZS1_2 That's because they optimised for mobile [10:48] schestowitz heh, we can do ascii art for images [10:49] schestowitz for old skool feel [10:49] schestowitz but that too does not scale [10:49] vZS1_2 Tbh, most sites change depending on which device is reading [10:49] schestowitz worse -- wrapping makes salad out of it [10:49] vZS1_2 they have a separate css file for each device [10:49] schestowitz that's terrible [10:49] schestowitz technical debt [10:49] vZS1_2 wordpress already does this by default now, I believe [10:50] schestowitz text only would serve well when we go gopher/gemini/ipfs etc. [10:50] vZS1_2 Anyway [10:50] vZS1_2 Basic idea is the same [10:50] schestowitz you can make daily ipfs object [10:50] vZS1_2 keep the root page free of clutter [10:50] schestowitz text only [10:50] schestowitz I wonder, why not serve a text file as front page, except links not working? [10:50] vZS1_2 I would keep IPFS tucked away somewhere else [10:50] vZS1_2 Go with my basic layout for now [10:50] vZS1_2 That should be doable in HTML with basic CC [10:50] schestowitz or can make two versions [10:50] vZS1_2 CSS* [10:50] schestowitz one text only [10:50] schestowitz 79 char wrapped [10:51] schestowitz and another richer one with working urls [10:51] vZS1_2 You already have a text-only bulletin [10:51] schestowitz the one version can be lumped into bulletins or be its own object [10:51] vZS1_2 You're overcomplicating things rn [10:51] schestowitz the bulletin is orpahaned [10:51] vZS1_2 Just stick to a simple root page and then adapt that as time goes on [10:51] schestowitz and drifts in a pool of objects [10:51] vZS1_2 We can worry about the bulletin later [10:51] schestowitz without any hierarchy, except an html and text page with a list [10:52] schestowitz no, tbh, I'd rather go with foresight before writing any code/html/css [10:52] schestowitz because if later we look at it differently, it'll be a shame to "waste effort" [10:52] vZS1_2 How does the details of bulleting affect a 3-row layout for the root page? [10:52] schestowitz a lot of what's in that page is text only [10:52] schestowitz pgp, title, wiki, week in history [10:52] vZS1_2 bulleting* [10:53] vZS1_2 bulletin* [10:53] vZS1_2 I need tea [10:53] schestowitz ok, :-) [10:53] schestowitz let me think in the meantime [10:53] schestowitz will look for examples [10:53] schestowitz other sites [10:53] schestowitz https://gopherpedia.com/ [10:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Gopherpedia [10:53] schestowitz https://gemini.circumlunar.space/ [10:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gemini.circumlunar.space | Project Gemini [10:54] vZS1_2 I'd say keep the sections proportional instead of fixed width [10:54] schestowitz https://ipfs.io/ seems bloated [10:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipfs.io | IPFS Powers the Distributed Web [10:54] schestowitz the "modern" type with github account promoted [10:54] vZS1_2 Fixed width seems to get janky on some resolutions [10:54] schestowitz for html version with links the sections would stretch [10:55] schestowitz techrights.org/txt is latest bulletin [10:55] schestowitz I can use command line tools to convert html into text [10:55] schestowitz those are plentiful [10:55] schestowitz so the "master" version will be html [10:56] vZS1_2 I wouldn't put the whole post in the root page btw [10:56] schestowitz but it needs to be simple enough for automated conversion on cron job [10:56] vZS1_2 Just a "preview" [10:56] schestowitz can do headlines [10:56] vZS1_2 The root page should be viewable at one glance [10:56] schestowitz list of latest items, extracted over rss [10:56] vZS1_2 In its entirely [10:56] schestowitz we have rss for daily links also [10:57] schestowitz we used to (10 eyars ago) do a list for each in the wiki's front page (back then the whole's sites front page) [10:57] vZS1_2 Use whatever you already have. Should save resources [10:57] schestowitz ok [10:57] schestowitz checking [10:57] vZS1_2 s/entirely/entirety [10:57] schestowitz https://raymii.org/s/blog/Site_updates_raymii.org_now_on_gopher.html [10:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Site updates, raymii.org now also available on Gopher - Raymii.org [10:57] schestowitz isnpiration [10:58] schestowitz https://raymii.org/ redirects to https://raymii.org/s [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Raymii.org [10:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Homepage - Raymii.org [10:58] schestowitz he wrote some useful tools [10:59] vZS1_2 That's why I sent you the skeleton as an A4 page [10:59] vZS1_2 A root PAGE should be a PAGE [10:59] vZS1_2 not a scroll [10:59] schestowitz https://wikileaks.org/ [10:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks [10:59] schestowitz simple, clean [10:59] schestowitz with pictures ● Dec 27 [11:00] schestowitz a text-only front page would be pointless when I think about it [11:01] schestowitz as it would not include any links and links would require a browser [11:01] schestowitz if it had CIDs instead, then again, bulletins give info just as useful [11:01] schestowitz so discarding that idea [11:01] schestowitz we need html of some kind [11:01] vZS1_2 Yeah. The hrefs are important [11:02] schestowitz something like and portable [11:02] vZS1_2 HTML and css are plenty portable and light [11:02] vZS1_2 It's the junk on top that needs to go [11:02] schestowitz https://www.torproject.org/ [11:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.torproject.org | Tor Project | Anonymity Online [11:02] schestowitz too noisy [11:03] schestowitz this whole "scroll for a story" design [11:03] schestowitz I have those [11:03] schestowitz some gnu/linux distros adopted it [11:03] schestowitz I think Mozilla started it [11:03] schestowitz *I hate those [11:03] schestowitz I think their sole goal is to SELL you a download [11:04] schestowitz like a marketing/advertising brochure [11:04] schestowitz http://openbsd.org/ [11:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openbsd.org | OpenBSD [11:05] schestowitz same design as https://www.libressl.org/ [11:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.libressl.org | LibreSSL [11:05] schestowitz well, to me, that's just ugly design [11:05] schestowitz " [11:05] schestowitz Getting Source [11:05] schestowitz GitHub [11:05] schestowitz " [11:05] schestowitz LOL [11:06] schestowitz Nothing says "security" like a first link... to Microsoft [11:06] schestowitz Microsoft pays them [11:06] schestowitz This is better: http://www.uk.netbsd.org/ [11:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.uk.netbsd.org | The NetBSD Project [11:06] schestowitz page scales nicely, too [11:07] schestowitz except their menu [11:07] schestowitz thoughts, anybody? [11:08] Techrights-sec2 Maybe have it update as "this week in histor" ? [11:08] Techrights-sec2 A cron-like job, I would think. [11:09] vZS1_2 Yeah, the NetBSD one is a good example [11:09] vZS1_2 Minimalist [11:09] vZS1_2 portable [11:11] schestowitz they use divs and css [11:11] schestowitz looking at their source [11:12] schestowitz in-line css (or at top of ) can work for minimalism [11:12] schestowitz and be self-contained [11:13] Techrights-sec2 Yes, simple is better. Reduce wordage too. [11:13] Techrights-sec2 The NetBSD home page is a good example. [11:13] vZS1_2 Set up a script to generate the page and just update it via cron job [11:13] schestowitz yes, hence I want it simple [11:13] schestowitz it should just be like a redirection 'department' [11:13] schestowitz depending on what you are after [11:14] schestowitz linuxtoday and lxer are just blog layout [11:14] schestowitz a stream of random "latest news" [11:14] vZS1_2 Use an XML library in your favourite language of choice to make life easier [11:14] schestowitz but those sites are aggregators [11:15] schestowitz if the update script is not run, then only the front page will be out of date [11:15] schestowitz maybe I'll implement this locally [11:16] schestowitz techrights.org / index might be a suitable address as default address [11:18] schestowitz if it's a static page, refresh cycles will matter [11:18] schestowitz once a day would mean latest articles don't show up until a day later [11:19] vZS1_2 You can keep track of the "latest" in a simple text file. Just make sure that pointer file is up-to-date [11:20] vZS1_2 So you can then just set the cron job hourly [11:21] vZS1_2 If the pointer files change, the root page gets new stuff [11:21] vZS1_2 That way all you need to do is manage the pointer files [11:21] schestowitz if it was drupal, I'd use drush [11:22] schestowitz does wordpress have cli tools? [11:22] vZS1_2 It has an API [11:22] vZS1_2 I believe the API is REST and PHP-native [11:22] *inky (~inky@141.136.78.223) has joined #techrights [11:22] vZS1_2 But there are libraries for it in pretty much every popular language [11:23] schestowitz tempting to just use iframes somehow, but it's bad practice [11:24] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&printable=yes [11:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Main Page - Techrights [11:30] schestowitz can't find a simple CLI tool for converting rss feed into a list of links [11:31] schestowitz https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/parsing-rss-news-feed-bash-script [11:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | Parsing an RSS News Feed with a Bash Script | Linux Journal [11:31] schestowitz https://opensource.com/article/20/2/newsboat [11:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Revive your RSS feed with Newsboat in the Linux terminal | Opensource.com [11:31] schestowitz surely this was done before [11:31] schestowitz no need to write code for it again [11:32] schestowitz https://bavotasan.com/2010/display-rss-feed-with-php/ [11:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-An Easy Way to Display an RSS Feed with PHP - bavotasan.com [11:32] schestowitz but that would make our front page dynamic [11:32] schestowitz and maybe call the rss feed url each time someone loads the root url [11:35] schestowitz vZS1_2: http://techrights.org/index/ [11:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [11:35] schestowitz in PHP, dynamic [11:36] schestowitz Now, for ipfs index [11:37] schestowitz I can fetch that from techrights.org/ipfs/txt [11:37] schestowitz tail | cut [11:37] schestowitz for latest CID [11:38] Techrights-sec2 Good and simple for the middle part of a layout like the NetBSD page. [11:38] schestowitz I suppose I could just, instead, link that that page [11:39] vZS1_2 Looking good so far [11:39] schestowitz along with http://techrights.org/ipfs/ [11:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [11:39] schestowitz now, for bulletins [11:39] schestowitz we don't always generate them at the same time, so it's not so predictable [11:39] vZS1_2 That's why I said use pointer files [11:40] vZS1_2 That way you separate the logic of the root page sections and the content that goes in those sections [11:41] *schestowitz thinking [11:41] vZS1_2 So you can have periodic section refresh and that changes wrt what's in the pointer files [11:41] schestowitz I want something that does not need any manual maintenance [11:42] schestowitz I can do some php [11:42] schestowitz for the date [11:42] schestowitz oh, wait [11:42] schestowitz LOL! [11:42] schestowitz /txt is alreadty latest [11:42] schestowitz so problem solved [11:42] schestowitz and then link to index [11:42] schestowitz ok, for ipfs you said just links to the index would suffice [11:43] schestowitz /txt is actually a copy, not a pointer [11:43] schestowitz as a pointer would have to be recreated each day [11:43] schestowitz you cannot do dynamic pointers/hardlinks/softlinks in this filesystem afaik [11:43] vZS1_2 Well that sucks [11:44] schestowitz I have a Q [11:44] schestowitz when you say latest wiki [11:44] schestowitz what do you mean? [11:44] vZS1_2 The latest post in the Wiki [11:44] vZS1_2 AKA "most recent addition" [11:44] *Sajesajama_ (Salsa@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/sajesajama) has joined #techrights [11:44] *Sajesajama has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [11:44] schestowitz all we have is http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Special:RecentChanges [11:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Recent changes - Techrights [11:45] vZS1_2 That works [11:45] schestowitz There is no http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Special:RecentChanges SPACE &printable=yes [11:45] schestowitz it's not supported [11:45] schestowitz so you end up hauling in lots of non html crap [11:46] vZS1_2 You could just put a simple link to the Wiki's root page, then. [11:46] schestowitz it deals well with VERY narrow span [11:46] vZS1_2 And a short description about what the Wiki is just above the link [11:46] schestowitz so could irame that page [11:46] schestowitz but that would introduce bloat [11:47] schestowitz I am not sure I can easily pipe this into ... oH wait [11:47] schestowitz it's also an RSS feed [11:47] schestowitz hmmm... but too bloated [11:47] schestowitz http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss [11:48] vZS1_2 That RSS feed is for machines not humans [11:49] schestowitz http://techrights.org/index/ [11:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [11:49] schestowitz how's that? [11:49] schestowitz I can hack on it a bit [11:49] schestowitz BUT... is that output of much use to visitors? [11:49] schestowitz latest wiki edits are usually URL additions [11:49] schestowitz indices [11:50] vZS1_2 IMO, get rid of everything in that and only keep the titles and "posted" filed [11:50] vZS1_2 s/filed/field [11:53] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [11:53] *birkoff (birkoff@unaffiliated/birkoff) has joined #techrights [11:53] *birkoff has quit (Changing host) [11:53] *birkoff (birkoff@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-dluuayxvrjtwibql) has joined #techrights [11:55] schestowitz Like such: http://techrights.org/index/ [11:56] schestowitz vZS1_2: need to cull out dupes [11:56] schestowitz but they link to different changes [11:56] vZS1_2 Yes. Much better [11:56] schestowitz when you click you see the edits [11:57] vZS1_2 The colours definitely help [11:58] schestowitz now it shows latest 3 [11:58] schestowitz and no cruft [11:59] schestowitz the colours can be fixed with in-file css [11:59] schestowitz only a couple of links in [11:59] schestowitz I used to always do it like that 15 years ago or more [11:59] schestowitz than the "frameworks cult" took over [11:59] schestowitz with MASSIVE VS "libs" and css neutral networks ;-) [11:59] schestowitz I know they're not neutral networks [11:59] schestowitz but it's hard to keep track of what the F is going on ● Dec 27 [12:00] schestowitz "where did this style come from?" WHICH of those 12 CSS files? [12:01] vZS1_2 >and no cruft [12:01] vZS1_2 Yep. Just checked [12:07] schestowitz I don't use newlines yet [12:07] schestowitz do we want bulletpoints? [12:07] schestowitz generic? [12:07] schestowitz and no headine styles [12:07] schestowitz heading [12:07] schestowitz not headline [12:07] schestowitz later I will table-ise it [12:07] schestowitz don't want to use css [12:08] vZS1_2 I wouldn't use any tables [12:08] vZS1_2 Just divide major sections with lines [12:08] vZS1_2 The headings are clear enough delimiters [12:08] vZS1_2 bulletin [12:08] vZS1_2 --- [12:08] vZS1_2 wiki [12:08] vZS1_2 --- [12:09] vZS1_2 this week in history [12:09] schestowitz I have not added delimiters yet [12:09] schestowitz need to decide before I do something that would then change [12:09] vZS1_2 inside each individual section, the headings make the distinction clear enough [12:09] schestowitz alos
[12:09] schestowitz *also [12:09] schestowitz bullets are delimiters [12:09] vZS1_2 hr is what I meant [12:10] vZS1_2
[12:10] vZS1_2 or however you do it [12:10] vZS1_2 Let's see what it looks like with just
and no bullets? [12:10] vZS1_2 We can decide after that if bullets add to it much [12:11] schestowitz upload of nokia video now finished [12:11] schestowitz I added headling styles [12:12] schestowitz refesh page [12:12] vZS1_2 I think bullets are unnecessary [12:12] vZS1_2 Looks good as is [12:14] vZS1_2 I wouldn't put 4 main sections [12:14] vZS1_2 Let's put Daily Bulletin in the left column instead [12:14] schestowitz now it's all a table, with 3 columns [12:14] vZS1_2 Since it's only 2 links [12:14] schestowitz will add rss to [12:15] schestowitz [12:15] vZS1_2 3 rows you mean? [12:15] schestowitz no [12:15] schestowitz columns [12:15] schestowitz those are technically now rows, they're hr-separated [12:16] vZS1_2 Ah [12:17] schestowitz I have moved bulletin to the left [12:17] schestowitz refresh and see [12:17] schestowitz it seems to center-align by default, vertically [12:17] vZS1_2 Good stuff [12:18] vZS1_2 Maybe a border around each column would help [12:19] vZS1_2 Just a bold line border [12:19] schestowitz now the rhs column is used [12:19] schestowitz ok, wait [12:20] schestowitz border add [12:20] schestowitz "look ma! No css!!" [12:21] vZS1_2 Better [12:21] vZS1_2 The right column is cluttered [12:21] vZS1_2 RSS [12:21] vZS1_2
[12:21] vZS1_2 Contact us (email) + (PGP key) [12:21] vZS1_2
[12:22] vZS1_2 IRC link [12:22] vZS1_2 s/IRC link/Chat (IRC href) [12:24] schestowitz fixes [12:25] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [12:26] vZS1_2 Better [12:26] schestowitz pgp roy.pgp [12:26] schestowitz gpg: WARNING: no command supplied. Trying to guess what you mean ... [12:26] schestowitz pub rsa4096 2015-10-29 [SCA] [12:26] schestowitz F129D6C587632660C86ABDFF298DE3EB880A3EC9 [12:26] schestowitz I don't need to help spammers [12:26] schestowitz by giving my email address [12:26] schestowitz it's in the pgp [12:26] vZS1_2 Fair enough [12:27] schestowitz if people know where to dump the pgp string, they'll understand what the email it corresponds to is [12:27] schestowitz pgp outputs it [12:27] schestowitz uid Roy Schestowitz <[MY EMAIL]> [12:27] schestowitz sub rsa4096 2015-10-29 [E] [12:28] vZS1_2 Just a few more of the data boxes and we're done [12:30] schestowitz date added [12:31] schestowitz need time?! [12:31] vZS1_2 Can leave that out [12:31] schestowitz "what time is it, ma? [12:31] vZS1_2 IPFS links and search how-to remaining [12:31] schestowitz "go to techrights.org, it'll tell you" [12:32] vZS1_2 You can put those two in the left column [12:32] vZS1_2 That balances things out [12:32] schestowitz we can add other stuff there [12:33] vZS1_2 I wouldn't add anything else [12:33] vZS1_2 There's enough as is [12:33] vZS1_2 Also, Date is missing month and year [12:34] schestowitz ok, all done now [12:34] schestowitz in skeletal mode at least [12:35] vZS1_2 What about link to the search pages? [12:35] vZS1_2 I don't see it [12:35] schestowitz will use DATE_RFC2822 [12:36] schestowitz Sun, 27 Dec 2020 12:35:51 +0000 [12:36] vZS1_2 Good call [12:37] schestowitz no css so far [12:37] schestowitz or images [12:37] schestowitz not even inline [12:37] vZS1_2 I think it's fine as it is [12:38] schestowitz I want to check sizes of windows [12:38] vZS1_2 People can see the CSS and images in the actual posts [12:38] vZS1_2 Index should me minimal [12:38] schestowitz seems to scale 'smartly' [12:38] schestowitz leaving more room for the middle [12:38] schestowitz index is not fast though [12:38] schestowitz because it runs pgp [12:38] schestowitz *php [12:39] vZS1_2 We should optimise readability [12:39] vZS1_2 It's fast enough [12:40] schestowitz valign fixed [12:40] schestowitz for the left [12:41] vZS1_2 Right got fixed too [12:41] schestowitz now the right [12:41] vZS1_2 Looking cleaner [12:41] schestowitz fixed cause I changed it [12:41] schestowitz check for broken links... [12:42] schestowitz rss broken [12:42] schestowitz fixed [12:43] scientes XRevan86, Did you check out that cool Russian/USSR VLIW chip? [12:44] scientes XRevan86, I find it hard to be motivated to do cool projects in computing because of volume of assholes in this field [12:44] scientes it is not the technical assholes, I actually kinda like them [12:45] vZS1_2 Checked all the links [12:45] vZS1_2 OK on all [12:46] schestowitz what border style to change to? [12:46] schestowitz https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_border-style.asp [12:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3schools.com | CSS border-style property [12:47] schestowitz I think solid lines like the current ones look awful [12:48] vZS1_2 The current border isn't solid line [12:49] vZS1_2 It's spaced lines [12:49] vZS1_2 Was just about to bring that up [12:49] vZS1_2 Just regular solid is my recommendation [12:50] schestowitz people are now pushed to use css https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_table.asp [12:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.w3schools.com | HTML table tag [12:50] schestowitz even when you don't need or want css [12:51] vZS1_2 It's a small amount of CSS [12:53] vZS1_2 Solid black should contrast nicely with the white background [12:54] schestowitz vZS1_2: how about now? [12:54] schestowitz hr is enough for separators imho [12:55] vZS1_2 That works too [12:55] vZS1_2 I'd reduce the size of the IPFS header [12:55] XRevan86 scientes: USSR VLIW Elbrus? [12:55] schestowitz does it look ok to you? [12:55] schestowitz this is, after all, based on your design/prototype [12:55] schestowitz so your call [12:55] vZS1_2 Hold on actually [12:56] vZS1_2 Don't reduce the size [12:56] vZS1_2 Put an
after IPFS section [12:56] vZS1_2 That's what was missing [12:56] vZS1_2 Since you got rid of the borders [12:56] vZS1_2 Same for time [12:57] vZS1_2 date/time [12:58] vZS1_2 This borderless layout looks nicer [12:59] schestowitz made some more light edits [12:59] vZS1_2 It should display good on mobile too ● Dec 27 [13:00] vZS1_2 Still missing border under date/time [13:01] vZS1_2 s/border/
[13:01] scientes yeah elbrus [13:01] schestowitz added hr [13:02] vZS1_2 Perfect [13:02] schestowitz I'll make hr fancier [13:02] vZS1_2 I think it's good as is [13:02] schestowitz no need for css [13:02] vZS1_2 Looks smashing on mobile too [13:02] vZS1_2 fits perfectly on screen [13:02] schestowitz look at https://css-tricks.com/examples/hrs/ [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-css-tricks.com | Simple Styles for
's [13:02] schestowitz no css [13:02] schestowitz without css you can choose size [13:02] schestowitz and it makes an effect [13:02] schestowitz with css you can do other stuff inline [13:03] vZS1_2 Can everyone else take a look on their mobile devices? http://techrights.org/index [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | NO TITLE [13:06] *razielle_tzu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [13:09] vZS1_2 I think the question mark
s are unnecessary [13:09] vZS1_2 it looked more elegant with simple
imo [13:12] vZS1_2 The T is nicer [13:14] vZS1_2 These
s don't scale well [13:14] vZS1_2 When you zoom in the white background of the icon in the middle obstructs text [13:15] vZS1_2 See "RSS feed" when you zoom in [13:15] vZS1_2 And date [13:16] vZS1_2 Happens with all of them, even question mark [13:16] vZS1_2 That's why I prefer just plain
[13:16] schestowitz added meta [13:17] schestowitz yes, I am adding some charset stuff now [13:18] vZS1_2 I don't think that'll fix it. But you can give it a shot [13:22] schestowitz let me use grey shades, with css [13:22] schestowitz for separating sections [13:22] schestowitz I've not done these gradients in ages [13:26] vZS1_2 I think the shading etc is unnecessary [13:26] vZS1_2 Getting it to mesh well with layouts is a PITA [13:27] schestowitz ok, try now, it's not finished though [13:27] vZS1_2 Prefer the plain white [13:27] vZS1_2 Like Wikipedia [13:28] schestowitz we can brighten it a bit [13:29] vZS1_2 The colour isn't serving a functional purpose here [13:29] vZS1_2 It's actually making it harder to discern where things are blocked into sections [13:29] vZS1_2 If you're doing colour, keep it restrained to individual sections [13:30] vZS1_2 It's bleeding into everything rn [13:30] vZS1_2 Disrupts visual comprehension [13:31] vZS1_2 The old home page suffers from this as well [13:31] schestowitz ok, let's change [13:32] vZS1_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page [13:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [13:32] vZS1_2 That's a good example of colour done right [13:32] vZS1_2 No bleeding [13:32] vZS1_2 Functional use [13:33] vZS1_2 comfortable contrast [13:33] schestowitz I made it show latest 15 posts [13:34] vZS1_2 Too much [13:34] vZS1_2 No longer a small page [13:34] vZS1_2 I'd say cap it at 3-5 [13:35] vZS1_2 The original idea was only 1 [13:35] vZS1_2 With a link to all the rest [13:42] schestowitz now it number the links [13:42] schestowitz ok, shortening to latest 5 [13:42] schestowitz 4 [13:43] schestowitz liks four freedoms [13:43] schestowitz 0..4 [13:43] schestowitz 00.3 [13:49] vZS1_2 Colour gradient still bleeding into everything [13:50] vZS1_2 Why not try a light blue background with uniform gradient? [13:50] vZS1_2 i.e. no gradient at all [13:50] vZS1_2 To go with the anchor motif [13:51] schestowitz I will change the colours [13:51] vZS1_2 #99CCFF is a good one [13:51] schestowitz they get too dark [13:51] vZS1_2 Very modern [13:52] vZS1_2 Try this https://www.colorhexa.com/99ccff [13:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.colorhexa.com | #99ccff hex color (#9cf) [13:52] vZS1_2 Good tool [13:56] schestowitz the problem, I think, is the strength of the tones [13:57] schestowitz i am toning them down now ● Dec 27 [14:00] vZS1_2 It's still conflicting with the hr blocks [14:01] vZS1_2 The gradient doesn't complement the separation of the lines [14:02] vZS1_2 I should say "separation imposed by the lines" [14:06] schestowitz the tones are much softer now http://techrights.org/index/ [14:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights [14:07] schestowitz no images in this page [14:07] schestowitz no peripheral css [14:07] vZS1_2 That's better but it's still bleeding at the top [14:07] schestowitz and it created a load only on the wordpress back end and wiki back end for rss [14:07] schestowitz will work on the top bleed [14:08] schestowitz try now [14:09] Techrights-sec2 ack [14:09] Techrights-sec2 Can the columns be made to stack on top of eachother vertically when [14:09] Techrights-sec2 the window is narrowed significantly? [14:09] Techrights-sec2 There is some CSS for that somewere. [14:09] schestowitz I'd rather now use CSS for page structure, css is just doing little cosmetic things [14:09] Techrights-sec2 See one way for that : https://www.deccanchronicle.com/ [14:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.deccanchronicle.com | Deccan Chronicle - Latest India news | Breaking news | Hyderabad News | World news | Business news | Politics | Technology news [14:10] schestowitz at the moment it seems like width is coped with ok until it's like less than 500px wide [14:11] schestowitz making the title smaller might improve that a bit [14:12] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [14:12] Techrights-sec2 I disagree. If you increase the size of the font then the columns become [14:12] Techrights-sec2 unreadable. The layout is great as it is with small fonts but the [14:12] Techrights-sec2 big ones kill the layout. THere's some small but easy tweak to make the page [14:12] Techrights-sec2 scale both in regards to window size, window aspect ratio, and font sizes. [14:12] Techrights-sec2 Try ctrl-+ about four or five times... [14:13] vZS1_2 Techrights-sec2: "making the title SMALLER might improve that a bit" [14:13] vZS1_2 Maybe you misread? [14:13] Techrights-sec2 See one way for that : https://www.deccanchronicle.com/ [14:13] Techrights-sec2 https://www.ibtimes.co.in/ [14:13] Techrights-sec2 That would pre-empt some problems with usability and help some mobile users too [14:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Latest News, Breaking News, Top News & Updates in India | IBTimes India [14:13] vZS1_2 I agree with reducing the titles in size a bit [14:14] Techrights-sec2 Try ctrl-+ about four or five times... [14:14] Techrights-sec2 Oh. I see the problem. Under the hood the layout is in a table. [14:14] Techrights-sec2 We can make it look the same for a default window using CSS. [14:14] vZS1_2 schestowitz: you fixed the bleed at the top. [14:14] schestowitz h1 now smaller [14:15] schestowitz 188% [14:16] schestowitz retry now [14:16] *GNUmoon has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [14:16] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [14:16] vZS1_2 Better [14:17] Techrights-sec2 much better but still a table [14:17] schestowitz Deliberate choice, we want to avoid too modern... so no divs... right from the get-go, as planned [14:17] vZS1_2 The gradient just above the Wiki could use some softening [14:17] schestowitz there are good fallbacks for lack of css support as well [14:18] vZS1_2 Scaling is fine on mobile with tables [14:18] vZS1_2 The middle column gets resized dynamically [14:18] vZS1_2 That's what we want [14:18] vZS1_2 Doesn't affect readability [14:18] schestowitz Can anyone write a "this week in history text"? [14:19] Techrights-sec2 Lack of css is only in curl and wget and lynx and links. [14:19] Techrights-sec2 Those will deal with DIV fine. [14:19] Techrights-sec2 Is there a way to just have some links from a calendar file? [14:19] schestowitz will look into it [14:20] vZS1_2 Probably good to scrape the Wiki for "this week in history" for data [14:20] schestowitz BTW, re fonts [14:20] schestowitz what do different systems use by default? [14:20] schestowitz I assume they use some sane and OK font [14:21] schestowitz and no need to instruct browsers to use any particular one [14:21] vZS1_2 It's fine as is [14:21] schestowitz ok, good [14:21] schestowitz user default [14:21] schestowitz always best [14:21] schestowitz leave it to the user [14:21] vZS1_2 Firefox uses DejaVu [14:22] vZS1_2 Pages displays fine with defaults [14:22] vZS1_2 I checked that every time [14:22] Techrights-sec2 The if articles are "tagged" with keywords then the keyword search can be the link and won't need updating should there be more articles, maybe. [14:22] schestowitz OK, I will release the nokia post [14:25] vZS1_2 Still think gradient in the middle above the wiki is too jarring [14:26] vZS1_2 The top half is good. Can't see any hard separation [14:28] vZS1_2 The last bit is good too [14:28] vZS1_2 It's just that blue-to-green one that's still not soft enough [14:36] vZS1_2 Going to hop off now [14:36] vZS1_2 Overall, big improvement [14:36] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [14:37] vZS1_2 I've checked from 30% to 300% and nothing breaks [14:38] schestowitz just released the nokia article [14:38] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/12/27/microsoft-nokia-history/ [14:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: How Microsoft Killed Nokia and Harmed an Entire Country | Techrights [14:38] schestowitz you said you were new to all this, vZS1_2 [14:39] vZS1_2 Yeah, haven't really looked into internal politics of Nokia nor Yahoo [14:42] *vZS1_2 has quit (Quit: vZS1_2) [14:45] vZS1 I've skimmed the Nokia post [14:45] vZS1 Didn't catch any obvious typos [14:48] DaemonFC[m] Fonts? Dunno what Windows 10 uses but it looks fine. They didn't get fonts and icons that looked okay until Windows 7. A full decade after BeOS got smooth fonts and SVG icons. [14:49] DaemonFC[m] DuckDuckGo info seems disturbing. I was in their IRC room a decade ago when they were first starting up and it seemed like they found a business model that wasn't outright evil and that they would open source a lot of their stuff. [14:49] DaemonFC[m] They did come up with some new search features which Google and Bing quickly copied. [14:50] DaemonFC[m] I can't imagine that DuckDuckGo is worse for privacy than those. [14:50] Techrights-sec2 I'll look into the wrapping. It may take a day or two. [14:50] Techrights-sec2 Ok Wrapping is set. Check e-mail. [14:51] DaemonFC[m] For starters, Google has always aggravated me that you are pressured to sign in and then it logs your searches. [14:51] DaemonFC[m] No doubt that they are associating all of your activity to you. [14:51] schestowitz vZS1: the video was done without planning [14:51] schestowitz but I think it covers some key aspects [14:58] schestowitz OK, I found a way to fetch posts from "today last year" or "today 10 years ago" etc. [14:58] schestowitz worth showing them? if so, for what timespan, how many posts etc.? ● Dec 27 [15:28] schestowitz vZS1: new div version http://techrights.org/index/mobile/ fluid layout, scale it down and see [15:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Welcome to Techrights [15:31] vZS1 Looks alright [15:31] vZS1 Checked on phone [15:53] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:53] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights ● Dec 27 [16:31] schestowitz all tested [16:31] schestowitz redirection from root now intact [16:39] DaemonFC[m] https://lonm.vivaldi.net/2020/12/21/crippled-e-books-are-worthless/ [16:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lonm.vivaldi.net | Crippled e-books are worthless | LonM's Blog [16:40] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, not new. When Mandy said he needed a book for college I'd go find a copy somewhere. [16:40] DaemonFC[m] Like it wasn't bad enough that some community college was charging $9,000 a semester and for terrible student health insurance he couldn't even use. [16:41] DaemonFC[m] Then you have to go out and pay hundreds more for "books", and not even real books, or books that anyone could use again (because they make minor changes each year and then update the tests so they need something from the new version). [16:43] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I pretty much cut the college out because there was no longer any point. After Maricel got ahold of the international student advisor and told her that she would not renew Mandy's support affidavit for the student visa, I could have technically enrolled him for this last semester, but all it would have done was cost money, and for immediate relative adjustment of status, you do not need to have been in [16:43] DaemonFC[m] status at all times so long as you entered the country legally. [16:44] DaemonFC[m] And none of the stuff he was studying was going to be of any use. The only people making money on it are the state workers who teach it and the administrators and the folks writing books. [16:45] DaemonFC[m] For everyone else, you'll be the most well versed grocery stocker at Walmart in ancient Greek culture, with only $40,000 in student loans. [16:46] DaemonFC[m] For the most part, college is a liberal indoctrination scam and a license to steal money from the people who are dumb enough to go there and sign up for it. [16:46] DaemonFC[m] Sure, there are useful things being taught at community college, but unless you want to study like basic software design or health occupations or how to become a mechanic, don't bother. [16:48] DaemonFC[m] They say "Oh, but it makes for a better informed public who will be more able to participate in society.", and, you know, they lie through their teeth because it's just a license to steal and a way to force the people that sign up for it to read a bunch of far-left artsy fartsy crap. [16:48] *liberty_box_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:48] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [16:48] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:49] DaemonFC[m] That's a luxury that people with first world problems have, sometimes. Like mjg59. [16:49] DaemonFC[m] He who presumes to speak for the supposedly oppressed. [16:49] DaemonFC[m] Because it's not at all insulting to suppose that they're too dumb to articulate their own problems. [16:50] *rianne_ (~rianne@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:50] DaemonFC[m] Trumpism is the extreme reaction that these people provoked... [16:50] DaemonFC[m] I say that again....provoked. [16:51] schestowitz google speaksing for the oppressed [16:51] DaemonFC[m] By ridiculing people who work in blue collar professions, repairing their cars and water heaters, and showing outright contempt for them. [16:51] schestowitz on what salary exactly? [16:51] schestowitz more than a black person in Oakland I guess [16:51] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:51] schestowitz like "raise the roof" feminism [16:51] *liberty_box_ (~liberty@host81-154-173-106.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:52] schestowitz where presidential candidates worth hundreds of millions speak 'for' oppressed women [16:52] DaemonFC[m] Well, when you keep pushing people who work on your car saying they're a big dumb ape who just doesn't get which fork to use for the salad.....uncivilized swine, clinging to guns and bibles... [16:52] DaemonFC[m] What the actual fuck do you think will happen, eventually? [16:52] DaemonFC[m] Obviously you can't sort this mess out and that's why you brought it to them. [16:54] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: I suppose that if Microsoft, Apple, Google, and IBM would hire an equally capable black engineer then more of them would go and invest in studying. [16:55] DaemonFC[m] You don't invest in something where the people who went before you got a "We'll call you!" and the door slammed in their face. [16:57] DaemonFC[m] There's still no consequences for them being like three times as likely to politely ask a black candidate to leave, so they do whatever they want. [16:57] schestowitz Microsoft BLM http://techrights.org/2009/08/25/white-people-in-poland/ [16:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Wants Only White People in Poland | Techrights [16:57] DaemonFC[m] We're constantly told what the problem is, but the people who could solve it don't want to, and nothing forces them to do so. [16:57] DaemonFC[m] So they don't. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Head surgery. [16:59] DaemonFC[m] Photoshop Edition ● Dec 27 [17:02] schestowitz any ideas for techrights top header motif for 2021? [17:02] schestowitz time to take down the xmas motif [17:02] schestowitz I can make a new one [17:04] DaemonFC[m] Dunno, but I have noticed that sometimes I still have to click refresh to get style sheets to load in Chromium browsers. [17:04] schestowitz techrights ones? [17:04] schestowitz what will be the 2021 theme? [17:04] schestowitz except corona? [17:04] schestowitz don't want to have diseases in the top banner [17:04] schestowitz lol hope change biden [17:05] schestowitz https://www.freeimages.com/search/shared [17:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free shared Images, Pictures, and Royalty-Free Stock Photos - FreeImages.com [17:06] schestowitz https://www.freeimages.com/search/technology [17:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free technology Images, Pictures, and Royalty-Free Stock Photos - FreeImages.com [17:07] DaemonFC[m] A keyboard with the Windows key in it might not be appropriate. [17:07] DaemonFC[m] And yeah, for some reason they don't always load the CSS on Techrights on the first go. [17:07] schestowitz hey hi [17:07] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:07] schestowitz clown computing [17:07] schestowitz 2021 [17:07] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.168.86.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [17:07] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: first time I heard of such a CSS issue [17:07] schestowitz did not encounter this myself [17:07] DaemonFC[m] Earlier versions of HTML made for fairly compact websites that could be easily preserved. [17:08] schestowitz fth? https://www.freeimages.com/photo/funky-firewall-1497858 [17:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Funky Firewall Stock Photo - FreeImages.com [17:08] DaemonFC[m] These AMP stacks and apps can't be preserved and cited in 20 years or even a few months. [17:08] schestowitz that's the idea [17:09] schestowitz https://www.freeimages.com/photo/industry-2-1219433 [17:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Industry 2 Stock Photo - FreeImages.com [17:13] schestowitz this one might be nice https://www.freeimages.com/photo/blue-1185051 [17:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free blue Stock Photo - FreeImages.com [17:14] schestowitz brazil apparently [17:14] schestowitz sao paulo [17:15] schestowitz Andorra [17:15] schestowitz https://www.freeimages.com/photo/andorra-in-blue-and-white-1393727 [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free Andorra in Blue and White Stock Photo - FreeImages.com [17:15] schestowitz but too generic and unrelated [17:17] DaemonFC[m] I suppose I can combine this whole immigration thing I'm assembling into one FedEx print job. [17:17] DaemonFC[m] Mandy asked why I don't just buy a printer. [17:17] DaemonFC[m] He said they're cheap. I told him yeah so you pay a fortune on ink. [17:18] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:18] *vZS1 (~vZS1@88-109-14-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #techrights [17:18] schestowitz this is last year's http://techrights.org/wp-content/themes/ocadia/images/header.jpg [17:22] DaemonFC[m] Mandy's boss said he'd write a letter to the immigration officer saying that Mandy is employed full time there and that his prospects for continued employment are good at this time along with his salary information. [17:23] DaemonFC[m] Immigration said to bring a letter from employer and at least two months worth of pay stubs. [17:24] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz it turns out I was wrong in how they consider assets if your income isn't enough. In a good way. [17:25] DaemonFC[m] It's considered to be as good as income at 1/3rd the ratio not 1/5th. It's 1/5th if it isn't your spouse as the primary sponsor. [17:27] DaemonFC[m] For whatever reason, they're much more lenient on spouses than any other type of status adjustment case (employer, other relative, etc.). [17:29] DaemonFC[m] Okay, these bank statements clearly show us as joint account holders, and the credit card statements show us as primary and authorized user. [17:30] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: One reason I took out the cards was to show immigration that we have them and are authorized users on each other's accounts. [17:30] DaemonFC[m] Adds legitimacy to comingling the assets. [17:30] schestowitz OK, I have changed site CSS [17:30] schestowitz let's focus less on your >personal< life [17:30] scientes vZS1, you are correct that the Koran does glorify the early military history of Islam [17:30] DaemonFC[m] Sorry, working on this file. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] At least it's PDF documents. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] Illinois hands you docx and pptx files. [17:31] DaemonFC[m] When I was appealing my FOID revocation that was fun. [17:31] scientes particularly the Hijra, where Mohammad and his followers returned to Mecca from Medina, assuming control of the city upon arrival [17:32] scientes (so much so that it has its own name) [17:32] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Many of these newer browsers try to predict what you'll do next to make it look like they perform better. [17:32] DaemonFC[m] Maybe that has something to do with the stylesheet problems. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] Or maybe it's just some kind of a race where it gets the HTML and tries to render that and then doesn't apply the stylesheet. [17:33] DaemonFC[m] Makes for a broken page, but it's unpredictable as to when it will happen. It never does in Firefox. [17:37] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Doesn't seem like many of the people in that Filipino group on Facebook know much about computers. One of them was asking what a FLAC file was and why they would choose that over an MP3. Another posted a picture of the system firmware saying the Windows bootloader was missing and someone else said reinstall the operating system (when even the troubleshooter for Windows can fix a bootloader being [17:37] DaemonFC[m] corrupted. [17:37] DaemonFC[m] It surprises me because FLAC is so mainstream now that even Windows plays them. [17:42] vZS1 schestowitz: I'll take a look [17:42] XRevan86 What's PNG and why should I use that over JPEG? [17:42] scientes PNG is lossless [17:42] XRevan86 Makes no sense, it's so big. [17:42] scientes so its quite different (JPEG is lossy) [17:43] scientes its not that big [17:43] scientes png is also based on gzip [17:43] XRevan86 scientes: Next thing you'll say some meaningless words like alpha channels. [17:43] DaemonFC[m] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/27/nashville-blast-investigators-examine-5g-paranoia [17:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Nashville blast: investigators examine whether bomber had 5G paranoia | US news | The Guardian [17:43] scientes yeah it has alpha channel support too [17:43] scientes way better than GIF, that is for sure [17:44] scientes XRevan86, the general suggestion is to use jpeg for pictures, and png for more palette-based stuff [17:44] XRevan86 I wanted to joke about SVG, but I guess it's closer to MIDI. [17:44] scientes yeah i was going to say raster vs scalar [17:44] scientes but clearly svg is superior for more things scalar compared to png [17:45] scientes also inkscape can do some pretty amazing things [17:45] scientes PNG is based on GZIP and was basically created to evade the GIF patentson LZW compression [17:45] vZS1 schestowitz: colour looks a lot better now [17:46] scientes so its part of the same patent evasion [17:47] scientes but in both examples you ended up with something MUCH better than what it was replacing [17:47] scientes the google people tried to push WebP, but that is a really stupid format [17:47] scientes especially as few even optimize the huffman codes in their JPEG files [17:47] scientes because JPEG is pretty good [17:49] scientes Mozilla pointed out that the biggest JPEG host, Facebook, had little interest in reducing their size [17:49] scientes and just runs them at like 97% compression [17:55] scientes XRevan86, pictures are tiny compared to video [17:55] scientes so who cares [17:56] *schestowitz uploads 366 files of tuxmachines logs (annual task) [17:56] *scientes returns to watching 4K video ● Dec 27 [18:06] scientes XRevan86, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGZ_SnNVVuo [18:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ancient fast-food restaurant found buried in Italy - YouTube [18:06] scientes dang, Al Jazeera English gets shit views compared to RT [18:07] scientes and that channel gets broadcast on satellite [18:07] scientes unlike RT English or Spanish [18:08] scientes https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9089279/Archaeologists-unearth-ancient-salad-bar-Pompeii.html [18:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Archaeologists unearth ancient 'salad bar' at Pompeii | Daily Mail Online [18:10] scientes amazing how the frescos are preserved [18:16] scientes https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1642028/what-is-the-operator-in-c [18:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stackoverflow.com | What is the "-->" operator in C++? - Stack Overflow [18:16] scientes hahahahahahahaha [18:16] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [18:16] *vZS1 (~vZS1@88-109-14-169.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) has joined #techrights [18:33] schestowitz lol [18:35] schestowitz "[17:43] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- www.theguardian.com | Nashville blast: investigators examine whether bomber had 5G paranoia | US news | The Guardian" [18:35] schestowitz And just like that... [18:35] schestowitz Media will tell is [18:35] schestowitz That... [18:35] schestowitz 5G opposition is... " 5G paranoia " [18:35] schestowitz Because of particular idiots [18:35] schestowitz all issues are void [18:35] schestowitz only crazies object to 5G [18:35] schestowitz no matter the reason [18:35] schestowitz I don't even want to link to such articles [18:36] schestowitz because I don't even know if there's any basis to all these headlines [18:36] schestowitz if they don't know who did this [18:36] schestowitz then how come a "lead" for investigation is this [18:36] schestowitz Datacenteres don't do just "5G" [18:36] schestowitz most don't do any of it at all [18:36] schestowitz so this might be media noise; time MIGHT tell [18:36] schestowitz unless they frame some people [18:44] scientes ugggh, 4g is a patent mindfield [18:45] scientes that is why all those cheap-ass phones are 2g [18:46] scientes and also why the courthouse in west texas has a free samsung ice-skating rink [18:48] scientes [TiVo] paid $10,000 to buy a champion steer during a local county fair, renaming the bull TiVo' before donating it back [18:48] scientes hahahahaha ● Dec 27 [19:01] schestowitz scientes: better upgrade to the latest patents [19:01] schestowitz and dump mp3 [19:01] schestowitz it's "dead" [19:01] schestowitz the media said [19:01] schestowitz need to move to the next patent tax [19:01] schestowitz patent evergreening [19:01] schestowitz attack on the COmmons [19:01] MinceR https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/22/690bf313a3362883.jpg [19:01] schestowitz by the time something is patent-free (expired) no network will support it anymore [19:02] vZS1 I've been enjoying people making idiots of themselves when talking about 5G "security". [19:02] schestowitz MinceR: home will rot away and fall one day [19:02] XRevan86 A once in a lifetime ride [19:03] MinceR schestowitz: and the planet will be submerged in the Sun :> [19:06] scientes schestowitz, opus is better than mp3 [19:06] scientes but mp3 is fine [19:07] scientes that is a scary treehouse [19:08] scientes usually use make a treehouse on more than one tree [19:08] scientes so that you have redundancy [19:08] MinceR :> [19:33] *vZS1 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:38] *vZS1 (~vZS1@92.40.168.8.threembb.co.uk) has joined #techrights [19:38] DaemonFC[m] MP3 is still widely used and nobody really seems to care. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] FhG did a press release that NPR ran off with declaring it obsolete and acting like nobody could use it anymore because there was no licensing scheme for patents. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] Shows you the quality of their reporting I guess. [19:39] DaemonFC[m] There's basically no chance that an MP3 codec gets removed from any product that has much to do with audio because there are too many MP3s out there to count. [19:40] DaemonFC[m] Opus is a different story because few people know what it is and there's no stores selling them and the pirate scene has also largely ignored it. [19:43] DaemonFC[m] The 20th Amendment is looking better all the time. I mean, technically you could throw the 2008 recession in with the list of disasters it had in mind, but Bush was working with Congress and the incoming administration to try to deal with it. [19:44] DaemonFC[m] Trump is holed up in a golf resort ignoring the fact that unemployment benefits are expiring and the government is about to shut down. [19:44] DaemonFC[m] If not for the 20th Amendment, we'd have been stuck with this for 43 additional days. [19:46] DaemonFC[m] And it's already painful enough. The time elapsed between the election and now already feels like an ice age because no disaster relief is coming, the pandemic is raging unchecked, and now we're getting into manufactured crises as well from an outgoing administration that is trying to troll an entire country. [19:47] CrystalMath youtube uses opus [19:47] CrystalMath massively [19:47] CrystalMath and aac [19:48] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: The government shutdown shouldn't really affect USCIS very much. Maybe they'll be in a surly mood because the guy who "took the handcuffs off" so they could deal with "people from shithole countries" is the reason why they haven't been paid for a month before calling up our case. [19:48] DaemonFC[m] But that's speculation. [19:49] DaemonFC[m] ICE is a separate agency within DHS, and ICE is not funded by user fees, so while USCIS is still running and maybe getting paid, ICE will have to come into work for however long the government is shut down with paychecks backing up and unable to do anything that isn't "essential". [19:50] DaemonFC[m] With all the unessential people on unpaid furlough. [19:50] DaemonFC[m] He's basically ruining his ability to do much more during his last month if the government isn't funded. [19:51] DaemonFC[m] Executing prisoners also isn't "essential" so by the time the government is funded again, there will be a death penalty moratorium. [19:51] DaemonFC[m] Government shutdowns are actually pretty interesting. Before the 1970s, they didn't happen. If funding lapsed then things just kept going as if a modern CR bill had passed. [19:52] DaemonFC[m] Then both sides realized that if they could dial up pressure they might get the other one to cave to make the shutdowns go away. [19:52] DaemonFC[m] But Trump doesn't "want" anything except chaos on the way out, so it would be up to Congress to find enough votes to override. [19:53] MinceR https://www.madmagazine.com/sites/default/files/imce/2014/12-DEC/MAD-Magazine-Menu-Cut_5489da7af2d3c5.06346076.jpg [19:54] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: The preservatives that have kept Trump alive. [19:54] DaemonFC[m] Whatever's in those hamburgers that don't rot must be it. [19:54] MinceR :> [19:55] DaemonFC[m] I'm sorry. Those unpresidented hamberders. [19:55] DaemonFC[m] We unpresidented him but he can have a hamberder on the way out. [19:55] MinceR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6oeAdemFZw [19:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Pink Panther (9/12) Movie CLIP - I Would Like to Buy a Hamburger (2006) HD - YouTube [19:56] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: Mom got angry with me again. [19:56] DaemonFC[m] My brother has no health insurance. I told her they both voted for it and got what they asked for. [19:56] DaemonFC[m] She goes "Obamacare didn't fix it." I said, "Because Republicans on the Supreme Court rewrote it so Indiana could sabotage it, and then the people you voted for in Indiana sabotaged it.". [19:57] DaemonFC[m] She's like "Well Obama was the president of the United States, and Indiana is a state.". I said, "Well, Trump spent four years as president and couldn't make Illinois do much of anything. We spent 4 years passing laws to void him out.". [19:58] DaemonFC[m] Obama likes to point out that he won both of his elections. [19:58] DaemonFC[m] Probably more so no. [19:58] DaemonFC[m] *now [19:58] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/27/wars-instability-pose-vaccine-challenges-in-poor-nations.html [19:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Wars, instability pose vaccine challenges in poor nations [19:59] DaemonFC[m] "In some countries, like Pakistan, militants and radical religious groups spread claims that the polio vaccine is a Western ploy to sterilize Muslim children or turn them away from religion." [19:59] *vZS1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:59] DaemonFC[m] Well, after Polio they probably won't be Muslim anymore or have children.... Because, you know, dead or severely crippled. ● Dec 27 [20:00] schestowitz Polio vaccines were used by CIA to spy [20:00] DaemonFC[m] Every time humans manage to solve a problem the church always goes "Stay away from it. It's a trick!". [20:00] schestowitz and that's still backfiring [20:00] schestowitz in Pakistan [20:00] schestowitz DaemonFC[m]: you don't need to paste ADS here [20:00] schestowitz those are corporate media ads [20:00] schestowitz pushing hard for #fizer to have more CUSTOMERS, grifting off taxpayers money https://miami.cbslocal.com/2020/12/27/covid-vaccine-passport-travel/ [20:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-miami.cbslocal.com | You May Need A COVID Vaccine Passport To Travel In 2021 CBS Miami [20:01] schestowitz they use military for propaganda [20:01] schestowitz women [20:01] schestowitz not threats [20:01] schestowitz can't travel without [20:01] schestowitz or else [20:01] schestowitz let's see what war criminal they put on camera next [20:01] schestowitz they did tom hanks [20:01] DaemonFC[m] Well, you don't have to have vaccines to travel between the states. [20:01] schestowitz bush (right) [20:01] schestowitz obama (fake left, centre at best) [20:01] DaemonFC[m] I've never left the country anyway. Most of the world is an even bigger mess than things are here. [20:01] DaemonFC[m] Even now. [20:01] schestowitz most USians don't travel outside the country in their lifetime [20:02] schestowitz many never had a passport [20:02] DaemonFC[m] I've never had a passport. [20:02] schestowitz and a US passport is increasingly worthless anyway [20:02] schestowitz not just due to covifd [20:02] DaemonFC[m] No reason to. [20:02] DaemonFC[m] Especially not now. [20:03] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: They try to make it difficult to get around the states, even, without a federal form of ID. [20:03] DaemonFC[m] They keep threatening not to let you on a plane. Eventually it'll be buses and trains too probably. [20:05] DaemonFC[m] https://www.latimes.com/travel/deals/la-trb-travel-tip-greyhound-bus-versus-plane-20150512-story.html [20:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.latimes.com | Faster, cheaper, free Wi-Fi, no TSA: How a Greyhound bus beats flying - Los Angeles Times [20:05] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: People were taking planes from Chicago to Fort Wayne and I was always like "Why?". [20:06] DaemonFC[m] If you're only going no more than a state or two over then the time spent in airport security, layovers, etc, and the extra money... [20:06] DaemonFC[m] Flying is just ridiculously bad. [20:07] DaemonFC[m] They rip people off and it's a great way to get sick with something and miss the next several days after you land even pre-COVID. [20:07] DaemonFC[m] Vacations are stupid money pits where you can post pictures on Facebook to make other people jealous. [20:08] DaemonFC[m] And business travel and some medical appointments is getting to be an anachronism because of video conferencing, which we should have always been doing because of carbon emissions and cost-effectiveness, even before the virus. [20:09] DaemonFC[m] Getting in the car and driving to see my psychiatrist for 15 minutes, burning 5-6 gallons of gasoline and taking an entire day. I mean, when I can press a button and he's on my laptop screen. [20:31] DaemonFC[m] https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/27/politics/anthony-fauci-biden-coronavirus-cnntv/index.html [20:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Dr. Anthony Fauci shares Joe Biden's concern that 'darkest days' may be ahead in Covid-19 fight - CNNPolitics [20:31] DaemonFC[m] Now "herd immunity" is 85%. [20:32] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, because all of these mutations are increasing how infectious the disease is, so it will overcome some of the herd immunity granted by the vaccine even assuming the vaccine is equally effective against the mutated strain. [20:32] DaemonFC[m] The level of unchecked spread is giving the virus the ability to mutate in parallel in more hosts at once. [20:33] DaemonFC[m] So the number of mutations will increase as well, probably giving us a nastier and more infectious strain that also has some resistance to previous immunity. [20:33] DaemonFC[m] It's not really that hard to see what happens from here. [20:34] DaemonFC[m] We need a lot more vaccines than we could ever hope to get, we'd need people to actually be willing to get them, or we're definitely going to end up with something a lot worse than we're dealing with now. [20:35] DaemonFC[m] The way the media is promoting them. Letting Donald Trump and Bill Gates get all of these column lines has severely damaged the public's view of the vaccine because now they associate it with people they don't like. [20:36] DaemonFC[m] If they want more people vaccinated, they need to quit selling op-eds to Bill Gates or quoting Trump as it pertains to knocking down the usual FDA approval standards. [20:36] DaemonFC[m] They need to knock it off and hope that some of the damage subsides as people forget what they read. [20:52] XRevan86 What did BifrostBot forget here? [20:52] XRevan86 Is there an XMPP room somewhere? [20:55] DaemonFC[m] That still exists? [20:59] XRevan86 DaemonFC[m]: I can't get bifrost to work, but it still exists. [20:59] XRevan86 after matrix.org wiped and re-hosted it, something in their database broke ● Dec 27 [21:00] XRevan86 and I guess matrix.org is fine with a broken database :) [21:01] MinceR https://linsedition.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/war-and-peas-xmas-special-merry-spankmas.jpg [21:48] schestowitz wth? [21:49] MinceR :) ● Dec 27 [22:01] DaemonFC[m] Mandy was asking who sang what I was listening to the other day. He goes "Isn't Donna Summer dead?". [22:02] DaemonFC[m] Didn't get it when I quoted Berlinghoff Rasmussen from TNG. [22:02] DaemonFC[m] "Everyone dies, captain! It's just a question of when!" [22:03] DaemonFC[m] Arguing from the alleged perspective of a future historian. [22:04] DaemonFC[m] Con artist from the past who killed one, in fact. Didn't know the answer to Picard's question. Didn't care. But the way he framed his response gave him an out. [22:05] DaemonFC[m] Star Trek has had to loop around some bad writing before. Seems like they have to do it again to make Discovery work. [22:06] DaemonFC[m] MinceR: I liked the Rick & Morty episode with the snake time travel timeline. [22:09] DaemonFC[m] Not a big fan of sci fi involving time travel. [22:10] DaemonFC[m] Eventually, Star Trek may try to focus on whatever the hell the temporal wars were, but then again it may just remain vague. [22:10] DaemonFC[m] They definitely ripped off SG-1 though. [22:12] DaemonFC[m] The Guardian of Forever.....I mean come on. That's definitely the laziest plot element since the 1960s. [22:12] DaemonFC[m] And a fat guy sitting there reading the newspaper was definitely a ripoff of Anubis in SG-1 in the episode where Daniel Jackson was stuck in the diner. [22:14] MinceR :> [22:46] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.107) has joined #techrights [22:51] MinceR (cat) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/11/21/0a5fbd4c28fd067f.png ● Dec 27 [23:03] *vZS1 (~vZS1@host-92-20-231-81.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [23:08] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:10] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:10] *Sajesajama_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [23:26] search_social does anyone use ungoogled chromium