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DaemonFC[m]Both Fedora and RPM Fusion are irresponsibly behind Chromium.Feb 28 03:11
DaemonFC[m]At this point they have a minimum of 64 unpatched security vulnerabilities in the latest available RPM.Feb 28 03:11
DaemonFC[m]Brave's ad filter does get the worst of it, but 1st party ads are left alone and it misses most pop up ads.Feb 28 03:14
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi might have the best Chromium based browser.Feb 28 03:14
DaemonFC[m]The UI is pretty not bad and it's not tied into Google.Feb 28 03:14
DaemonFC[m]Terminator 2 on TV now.Feb 28 03:42
DaemonFC[m]Didn't really think of it, but if you follow the Dark Fate timeline, John Connor did play a pivotal role in saving humanity in the future even though he was just killed by another T-800 in 1998.Feb 28 03:43
DaemonFC[m]In T2, he argues with the Uncle Bob T-800 that it must change the mission parameters to save Sarah Connor from the mental hospital.Feb 28 03:43
DaemonFC[m]If he hadn't done that, not only would they have never destroyed Cyberdyne and taken Skynet out of the future, but Sarah Connor would have been killed by the T-1000, so even if they did delete Skynet there would have been nobody to help them stop the Rev-9.Feb 28 03:46
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DaemonFC[m]The T-800 in Dark Fate says that it stockpiled guns because there was a 73% chance that human society would collapse even if a malicious AI didn't come about.Feb 28 03:47
DaemonFC[m]"And it's Texas."Feb 28 03:47
DaemonFC[m]In Alien (another Cameron franchise), Ripley says "It's hard to tell who's worse, Burke. You don't see those goddamned things stabbing each other in the back over money.".Feb 28 03:49
DaemonFC[m]A line that could have been dropped into Terminator somewhere.Feb 28 03:49
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MinceRi'm not sure if skynet is maliciousFeb 28 06:46
oiaohmMinceR: lot of what skynet is doing would be classes as self defense.Feb 28 06:58
oiaohmNow if a AI has the right to protect itself now that a horrible question.Feb 28 06:59
MinceRindeedFeb 28 07:00
MinceRand the rest could be classed as pest controlFeb 28 07:00
oiaohmAlso the horrible question as well is how many moves is the AI really seeing ahead.Feb 28 07:03
oiaohmLike was the capture of the terminator and it conversion expected?Feb 28 07:03
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012Feb 28 08:10
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schestowitz[07:58] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- | The right to be rude | Armed and DangerousFeb 28 08:10
schestowitz[07:58] <-- schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has left this server (Client Quit).Feb 28 08:10
schestowitz[07:58] <MinceR> > I was kicked off their lists for being too rhetorically forceful in opposing certain recent attempts to subvert OSD clauses 5 and 6.Feb 28 08:10
schestowitzwe wrote about this earlier onFeb 28 08:10
schestowitzjust lost the connection at home, as well...Feb 28 08:10
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schestowitz#esr message to #osi -- the one that got him banned -- I cannot find online. Can someone out there help me locate a copy? Feb 28 10:32
schestowitzContext: 28 10:32
schestowitzMinceR: maybe you can find it?Feb 28 10:33
schestowitznot sure if they have mailman archivesFeb 28 10:33
schestowitzand whether it's deleted or the archive out of dateFeb 28 10:33
schestowitztbh, I don't even know which mailing lists they operateFeb 28 10:33
-viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Inside the #FreeSoftware Foundation (FSF) - Part II: The Majority of the Board Supports #RichardStallman []Feb 28 10:33
Ariadnewho the fuck caresFeb 28 10:52
AriadneESR needs to go even worse than StallmanFeb 28 10:52
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schestowitzbut who next?Feb 28 10:54
schestowitzsee, they'll just keep stooping lowerFeb 28 10:54
schestowitzuntil only some uniform mindset dominatesFeb 28 10:54
schestowitzand may also be technically on another level, not to mention philosophicallyFeb 28 10:55
schestowitzAriadne: I want to see the message because...Feb 28 10:55
schestowitzit's importance to know if the rudeness was politicalFeb 28 10:55
schestowitzor something pertaining to s/w freedomFeb 28 10:56
schestowitzwhich according to ESR it was (the latter)Feb 28 10:56
AriadneI'll just say that you should be careful not to be a useful idiot for the alt-rightFeb 28 10:56
schestowitzSimon Phipps already gives me a hard time for pointing out OSI problemsFeb 28 10:56
schestowitzRMS is not alt  reichFeb 28 10:56
Ariadnethe alt-right backs ESRFeb 28 10:56
schestowitzthe Net censorship debate is often being reduced to thisFeb 28 10:56
schestowitzyes, it doesFeb 28 10:57
schestowitzbut...Feb 28 10:57
schestowitzothers like me also struggle to highlight OSI issuesFeb 28 10:57
schestowitzPerens alsoFeb 28 10:57
schestowitzand he loathes those typesFeb 28 10:57
Ariadnethe alt-right uses "censorship" as a wedge issueFeb 28 10:57
schestowitzbut it doesn't have monopoly on itFeb 28 10:57
schestowitzthe left too is censoredFeb 28 10:57
Ariadneit is not "censorship" if people no longer wish to be in association with somebodyFeb 28 10:57
schestowitzgab censored meFeb 28 10:57
schestowitz(ages ago)Feb 28 10:57
schestowitzit's worse than censorship... it's oustingFeb 28 10:58
schestowitzthey basically remove a co-founderFeb 28 10:58
schestowitzPerens left only a month agoFeb 28 10:58
schestowitzmany in today's board are not technical or  barely technicalFeb 28 10:58
AriadneI think the OSI is largely a worthless institution anywayFeb 28 10:58
schestowitzit isFeb 28 10:58
Ariadnegood riddance to itFeb 28 10:58
schestowitzbut it can be improvedFeb 28 10:58
schestowitzI know some staffer there who are OKFeb 28 10:59
schestowitzuntil recently I was friends with PhippsFeb 28 10:59
AriadneI don't think there is a need to certify whether a license is open source or notFeb 28 10:59
schestowitzhe's still trying to defend that Microsoft money, so we 'fell out'Feb 28 10:59
schestowitzAriadne: we need authority on openwashingFeb 28 11:00
schestowitzOSI isn't doing itFeb 28 11:00
schestowitzbut then it's iunformal and decentralised, e.g. techrightsFeb 28 11:00
Ariadneno, we need to just stop using open source as brandingFeb 28 11:01
schestowitzAriadne: in FOSDEM this year did you see who spoke for OSI?Feb 28 11:01
schestowitzGoogle, FB, LFFeb 28 11:02
Ariadneopen source is corporate exploitation of free software as designed by ESRFeb 28 11:02
schestowitzthey are not FOSS, except maybe LFFeb 28 11:02
Ariadneand you just proved my point :)Feb 28 11:02
Ariadnefuck emFeb 28 11:02
schestowitzyesFeb 28 11:02
schestowitzbut...Feb 28 11:02
schestowitzPhipps was building bridgesFeb 28 11:02
schestowitzwith FSFFeb 28 11:02
schestowitzand it worked for a whileFeb 28 11:02
schestowitzI think he lost controlFeb 28 11:02
Ariadnegreat, and FSF is obsolete tooFeb 28 11:02
schestowitz(and too proud to admit that he did)Feb 28 11:03
schestowitzFSF is still OK, from what I'm told...Feb 28 11:03
schestowitzbut there are conflicts thereFeb 28 11:03
AriadneFSF as an entity sureFeb 28 11:03
schestowitzlet's save thingsFeb 28 11:03
AriadneFSF as a force for driving innovation, not so muchFeb 28 11:03
schestowitzLF I think it's too late for...Feb 28 11:03
schestowitz(look at the Board)Feb 28 11:03
AriadneLF is just the Apache foundation of this decadeFeb 28 11:04
Ariadneit's where software goes to dieFeb 28 11:04
schestowitzhaFeb 28 11:04
schestowitzLike Intel's OSesFeb 28 11:04
schestowitz(which nobody uses, not even Intel)Feb 28 11:04
Ariadnewhat FSF should have been doing 15 years ago was training and tapping the next generation of leadership for the FOSS worldFeb 28 11:05
schestowitzwe made t hat point beforeFeb 28 11:06
Ariadnethe lack of continuity leads to the present power vacuumFeb 28 11:06
schestowitztrue....(sadly)Feb 28 11:06
Ariadnecancel culture and conspiracy theory are what comes out in a power vacuumFeb 28 11:07
MinceRschestowitz: maybe i can try to find it laterFeb 28 11:08
schestowitzheh. I could do a post comparing US politics to FS politicsFeb 28 11:08
schestowitzMinceR: thanks, I tried, but no luckFeb 28 11:09
schestowitzmaybe he's lying about what he was banned forFeb 28 11:09
*schestowitz does not trust ESRFeb 28 11:09
MinceR28 105840 < Ariadne> I think the OSI is largely a worthless institution anywayFeb 28 11:09
Ariadnei can get the mail, but my understanding is that he threatened somebodyFeb 28 11:09
MinceRit is, and their recent actions prove thisFeb 28 11:09
MinceRexposing that is not "becoming a useful idiot for the altReich"Feb 28 11:09
Ariadnewhich, no fucking shit they're going to kick you out if you threaten somebodyFeb 28 11:09
MinceRalso, one should take care not to become a useful idiot for the crybullies eitherFeb 28 11:10
schestowitzI am saddened by all of them, even EFFFeb 28 11:10
AriadneMinceR: it is not, but defending ESR isFeb 28 11:10
Ariadne:)Feb 28 11:10
schestowitzEFF,   FSF, OSI, LF...Feb 28 11:10
schestowitzthe money motive kills themFeb 28 11:10
schestowitzthey open their legsFeb 28 11:10
AriadneanywayFeb 28 11:10
MinceRwhat's the worst that happened with EFF?Feb 28 11:10
schestowitzsee TR articlesFeb 28 11:10
schestowitzI can find some recent onesFeb 28 11:11
schestowitzhang onFeb 28 11:11
schestowitz 28 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | EFF | TechrightsFeb 28 11:11
Ariadnethe old guard is old, and we have a power vacuum, with people pulling strings in ways to manipulate that power vacuum so they come out on topFeb 28 11:11
Ariadnethat is the reality of itFeb 28 11:11
schestowitzhappens to institutions when they have leverageFeb 28 11:11
schestowitzlike linux kernel, gnu project, the "open source" BRAND(R)Feb 28 11:12
Ariadnethe question isn't whether stallman is a chauvinist or has fucked up political views about sex, those have been known things for a long timeFeb 28 11:12
Ariadnethe question is why nowFeb 28 11:12
schestowitzthey could pick on him for other thingsFeb 28 11:12
Ariadneand the answer is, somebody saw an opportunity and went for itFeb 28 11:12
Ariadnesimple as thatFeb 28 11:12
schestowitzlike his political postings, calling him racist of intolerantFeb 28 11:12
schestowitzmaybe someone will even try the 'antisemetic' card , sigh...Feb 28 11:12
schestowitz*SemiticFeb 28 11:12
schestowitzseems Oliva is next in lineFeb 28 11:13
Ariadneanyway, i'm not going to shed any tears for ESR or OlivaFeb 28 11:13
schestowitzthey look at things from his college daysFeb 28 11:13
Ariadnegood riddance to both of themFeb 28 11:13
schestowitzTso?Feb 28 11:13
Ariadnetso would be fineFeb 28 11:13
Ariadnelevelheaded, thinking about the *future*Feb 28 11:14
XRevan86Meduza English RSS works.Feb 28 11:14
schestowitzAriadne: what are your post-fediverse plans?Feb 28 11:14
schestowitzXRevan86: fixed now? They sent me no email todayFeb 28 11:15
Ariadnei plan to continue posting as a user in the fediverse, but no moreFeb 28 11:15
Ariadnethan thatFeb 28 11:15
schestowitzohFeb 28 11:15
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, I just checked and it's fixed. They didn't read my message either.Feb 28 11:15
schestowitzXRevan86: oh, it does workFeb 28 11:15
schestowitzexcelltntFeb 28 11:15
schestowitzXRevan86: happy ending either wayFeb 28 11:15
schestowitzAriadne: good ideaFeb 28 11:15
XRevan86schestowitz: Indeed.Feb 28 11:16
XRevan86And now I can see there %)Feb 28 11:16
schestowitzseems to me like being police even in freenode got you sprayed with a target on your backFeb 28 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | NO TITLEFeb 28 11:16
Ariadneanyway, my concept is simply to bypass the power vacuumFeb 28 11:16
*schestowitz saw a fake site about AriadneFeb 28 11:16
schestowitzAriadne: we're here for the long haulFeb 28 11:16
schestowitzwe beat the UPC just nowFeb 28 11:16
schestowitzzoobab didn't think it was achievableFeb 28 11:17
Ariadnelet them duke it out and find new ways forwardFeb 28 11:17
Ariadnemuch of the GNU software is bitrotted anywayFeb 28 11:17
schestowitz"The worst enemy is APATHY. It is the APPALLING SILENCE OF GOOD PEOPLE. Of tired people too exhausted and disheartened to have the energy to campaign for others. FATIGUE is the enemy, the oligarchs? greatest ally. Along with BANALITY ? with people in some authority, neither good nor bad, yet too banal to act."Feb 28 11:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/ | “We are here so that unarmed truth has the final word” – speech at Julian Assange London rally 22-2-2020 – Yanis VaroufakisFeb 28 11:17
Ariadnethere is much technical work to be doneFeb 28 11:17
schestowitzAriadne: atomically it's usefulFeb 28 11:17
schestowitzsame for curl, wgetFeb 28 11:17
schestowitzsilently running the worldFeb 28 11:17
schestowitzthe UNIX wayFeb 28 11:17
schestowitzAriadne: etchrights is growingFeb 28 11:18
schestowitzsize- and traffic-wiseFeb 28 11:18
schestowitzthanks for helping us with hardware resources and allFeb 28 11:18
Ariadneanyway, i am focusing on alpine againFeb 28 11:18
schestowitzgoodFeb 28 11:18
schestowitzBTW...Feb 28 11:18
schestowitzwould you  be interested in helping us move off centos?Feb 28 11:19
Ariadneat some point, sureFeb 28 11:19
Ariadneschestowitz: to answer your question, i'm taking alpine, and i am going to take on red hat with itFeb 28 11:19
schestowitzin 2006 I think the webhost used RHEL 'proper' (with cPanel), then we were centos all alongFeb 28 11:19
schestowitzgood, goodFeb 28 11:19
schestowitzand reassuring to know you're up to itFeb 28 11:20
Ariadnei think now, more than ever, it is importantFeb 28 11:22
schestowitz 28 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Always Remember That Red Hat Also Considered Microsoft as a Buyer | TechrightsFeb 28 11:23
Ariadneit wouldn't have worked outFeb 28 11:23
Ariadnemicrosoft are hard at work building their own linux platformFeb 28 11:24
MinceRthat's why they bought the "linux foundation"Feb 28 11:25
schestowitzxxenix  0.2Feb 28 11:25
schestowitz"the next version will FixEverything(R)"Feb 28 11:25
schestowitzThe Wow starts .... NOWFeb 28 11:25
AriadneMinceR: yes, who cares though, its just where projects go to die in 2020Feb 28 11:25
MinceRwell, i cared about Linux and GNUFeb 28 11:25
schestowitzGNU is still OKFeb 28 11:25
schestowitzmost of itFeb 28 11:25
MinceRjust dyingFeb 28 11:25
MinceRexcept for GNOME, which wasn't ok for yearsFeb 28 11:26
schestowitzwhat takes its place for basic utils?Feb 28 11:26
MinceRsystemdFeb 28 11:26
schestowitzMost boards I see come with gnu toolchainFeb 28 11:26
AriadnebusyboxFeb 28 11:26
AriadnetoyboxFeb 28 11:26
AriadneidkFeb 28 11:26
Ariadnebusybox really sucksFeb 28 11:26
schestowitzyeahFeb 28 11:26
schestowitzI'm lost in itFeb 28 11:26
Ariadnegoing to try to get somebody working on something better asapFeb 28 11:26
schestowitzPowerShell  and PowerToys :)Feb 28 11:27
schestowitzMalware writers love it, surveys have shownFeb 28 11:27
AriadnePowerShell is not really that badFeb 28 11:27
MinceRyeah, it's worseFeb 28 11:27
MinceRa shell designed by people who have never used a shellFeb 28 11:27
Ariadnein terms of a programming environment anywayFeb 28 11:28
schestowitzBTW, does anyone know where Stuart Cohen is today?Feb 28 11:28
Ariadnei wouldn't use it as a shellFeb 28 11:28
MinceRcomes with the botNET patent trap, gratisFeb 28 11:28
schestowitzHe vanished after CSIFeb 28 11:28
schestowitzZemlin might take a job at some big company nextFeb 28 11:28
MinceRa no-show job at microsloth as a reward for his efforts?Feb 28 11:29
schestowitz(when he outlives its usefulness to them... thanks, Jim, we'll take it from here...)Feb 28 11:29
schestowitzMinceR: don't think soFeb 28 11:29
MinceRhas elop received his yet?Feb 28 11:29
schestowitzWill Weinstein, IIRC, went to Black *uckFeb 28 11:29
schestowitzBlack Duck was then soldFeb 28 11:29
schestowitzBill might still be thereFeb 28 11:30
schestowitzso some of them work for Microsoft interests or proxiesFeb 28 11:30
schestowitzeven if not for Microsoft directlyFeb 28 11:30
schestowitzStormy Peters alsoFeb 28 11:30
schestowitzDid a gig for OpenLogic (MSFT satellite)Feb 28 11:30
Ariadnei've actually met Bill, he is quite a fascinating personFeb 28 11:30
schestowitzhe was upset at me for talking against Black DuckcFeb 28 11:31
AriadneMS has tried to hire me like 5 different times to advise them on FOSSFeb 28 11:31
Ariadnespecifically, how to turn MS into a FOSS companyFeb 28 11:31
schestowitzso I knew it was effectiveFeb 28 11:31
Ariadneso i've met all sorts of fascinating people at mSFeb 28 11:31
schestowitzyou are strategic to themFeb 28 11:32
schestowitzlike Daniel from GentooFeb 28 11:32
schestowitzthey try to cause defections and distrustFeb 28 11:32
schestowitzthey did that with Andy UpdegroveFeb 28 11:32
Ariadnei'm not really so sureFeb 28 11:32
schestowitzand it partly workedFeb 28 11:32
Ariadnei suspect they just want to make moneyFeb 28 11:32
Ariadneand they see the writing on the wallFeb 28 11:32
schestowitzthen people say, "hey, Microsoft ain't THAT bad..."Feb 28 11:32
Ariadnebut i'm not interested in working for them anywayFeb 28 11:32
schestowitzAriadne: let's show them more than writings on the wallFeb 28 11:32
schestowitzthey need to be out of the market tbhFeb 28 11:33
schestowitztheir leadership is a toxinFeb 28 11:33
Ariadnei'm not sure i agreeFeb 28 11:33
Ariadneif it was ballmer-style leadership, yesFeb 28 11:33
Ariadnemicrosoft have changed somewhat since then, it is unreasonable to expect a multi-billion dollar empire to immediately change their waysFeb 28 11:34
schestowitzhe wasn't full;y in chargeFeb 28 11:34
schestowitzthe board and shareholders wereFeb 28 11:34
schestowitzthey canned himFeb 28 11:34
schestowitz(politely)Feb 28 11:34
Ariadneyes, they canned him, because they saw the writing on the wallFeb 28 11:34
schestowitzhe wasn't useful for their "put fingers in all the pies" strategyFeb 28 11:34
MinceRthey could have thrown us a boneFeb 28 11:34
schestowitzso they chose someone for diversity and he started with a lieFeb 28 11:34
MinceRthey could have stopped blackmailing corporations for selling Linux devicesFeb 28 11:34
MinceRthey didn'tFeb 28 11:34
schestowitz"Microsoft loves Linux"Feb 28 11:34
schestowitzat the same time they SUED companies over LinuxFeb 28 11:35
Ariadneyes, i knowFeb 28 11:35
MinceRthey could have licensed their patents in a way that enables free software to support their shitFeb 28 11:35
MinceRthey didn'tFeb 28 11:35
schestowitzand also deleted Linux from bootloaders etc.Feb 28 11:35
AriadneMinceR: they have nowFeb 28 11:35
MinceRthey could have stopped corrupting the Linux FoundationFeb 28 11:35
MinceRyet here we areFeb 28 11:35
MinceRAriadne: what did they do?Feb 28 11:35
schestowitzAriadne: noFeb 28 11:35
Ariadnethe linux foundation is a joke and always has beenFeb 28 11:35
schestowitzthey still sueFeb 28 11:35
schestowitzquietlyFeb 28 11:35
schestowitzdiscreetlyFeb 28 11:35
*psydroid loves Microsoft in a very special wayFeb 28 11:35
schestowitzbut you have to pay close attention to the news that's suppressed or spunFeb 28 11:36
Ariadneschestowitz: as if IBM is any betterFeb 28 11:36
MinceRhell, they could have called back their CoC dogs from Linus before it was too lateFeb 28 11:36
MinceRi'd like to "love" microsoft the way they "love" "linux"Feb 28 11:36
schestowitzAriadne: it's not IBM that attacks migrations to gnu/linuxFeb 28 11:36
Ariadnesage sharp is not employed by microsoftFeb 28 11:36
schestowitzsee Munich, Nigeria etc.Feb 28 11:36
MinceRthere would be a crater made of glass where "One Microsoft Way" was thenFeb 28 11:36
Ariadneschestowitz: no, but both do the shadow swpat leasingFeb 28 11:36
schestowitzIt's not IBM trying to "KILL" LinuxFeb 28 11:36
Ariadneto patent trollsFeb 28 11:36
Ariadnewho then go out and assault linuxFeb 28 11:36
schestowitznoFeb 28 11:37
schestowitzeven directlyFeb 28 11:37
schestowitzmaybe you missed itFeb 28 11:37
MinceR 28 11:37
schestowitzeven less than a year ago (Foxconn)Feb 28 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | TwitterFeb 28 11:37
schestowitzand that's just what we KNOW ofFeb 28 11:37
*Ariadne shrugsFeb 28 11:37
Ariadnei mean, don't get me wrong, i would love for microsoft to cease existingFeb 28 11:38
schestowitzit's true thoughFeb 28 11:38
Ariadnei don't think it is happening thoFeb 28 11:38
schestowitzall companies stop to existFeb 28 11:38
schestowitzsooner or laterFeb 28 11:38
schestowitzquestion is, when (and what replaces them)Feb 28 11:38
schestowitzNovell used to be a giantFeb 28 11:38
Ariadnei would wait about a decade for microsoft's linux offerings to flounderFeb 28 11:39
Ariadnelike, azure sphere, they totally fucked that play upFeb 28 11:39
MinceRthey'll cease existingFeb 28 11:39
psydroidMinceR, recently we've been buying old laptops, wiping Backdoors and putting GNU/Linux on them. My nieces who are here for holidays have never seen Backdoors in use at this location, so they start from a clean slate and do just fine.Feb 28 11:40
MinceRquestion is, will that happen after they've managed to kill the rest of us offFeb 28 11:40
MinceRor because we kill them before they couldFeb 28 11:40
MinceRpsydroid: niceFeb 28 11:40
schestowitzAriadne: they lose moneyFeb 28 11:42
schestowitzMicrosoft insiders tell meFeb 28 11:42
Ariadneyes, they are bleeding moneyFeb 28 11:43
schestowitzthey also shut down datacentres recentlyFeb 28 11:43
schestowitzthey fake size -- the usualFeb 28 11:43
schestowitzlike KIN, XBox...Feb 28 11:43
schestowitzAriadne: see 28 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Microsoft “Azure” (or “Cloud”) Results Are Most Likely an Elaborate Fraud | TechrightsFeb 28 11:43
schestowitz 28 11:43
schestowitzthis is very serious stuffFeb 28 11:43
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schestowitzthis is why we need FSF to endure longer, I think we're at t he cusp of somethingFeb 28 11:44
psydroidit's users/developers themselves who keep Microsoft in power, but there is no need for thatFeb 28 11:44
schestowitzthey try -- along with other -- to destabilise us allFeb 28 11:44
schestowitz*othersFeb 28 11:44
MinceRunfortunately, the FSF is already uselessFeb 28 11:44
schestowitznot quiteFeb 28 11:45
schestowitzthere's a conflictFeb 28 11:45
Ariadnewell, lets look at alpineFeb 28 11:45
Ariadneeveryone has tried to kill alpineFeb 28 11:45
Ariadneyet it persistsFeb 28 11:45
MinceRthey just stand by the sidelines watching GNU and Linux burn and grin and say "yay for systemd, which is free software!"Feb 28 11:45
schestowitzmaybe the traditionalists will come on topFeb 28 11:45
Ariadne:)Feb 28 11:45
schestowitzI like AplineFeb 28 11:45
AriadneRMS doesn'tFeb 28 11:45
schestowitzno issues at all since you last booted itFeb 28 11:45
MinceRRMS was willing to say very little about it, which was that "it's free software"Feb 28 11:46
schestowitzMem: 32563436K used, 357520K free, 240K shrd, 2842564K buff, 6516K cachedFeb 28 11:46
schestowitzCPU:  54% usr  30% sys   0% nic  15% idle   0% io   0% irq   0% sirqFeb 28 11:46
MinceRso no, RMS doesn't care about free software eitherFeb 28 11:46
schestowitzLoad average: 7.94 8.06 7.27 9/193 21911Feb 28 11:46
MinceRnot anymoreFeb 28 11:46
schestowitzsoon 500 days uptimeFeb 28 11:46
schestowitzMinceR: in what sense does he not?Feb 28 11:46
schestowitzsystemd?Feb 28 11:46
MinceRyes, as i've saidFeb 28 11:46
schestowitzit's a loophole exploitedFeb 28 11:47
MinceRthough from what i've seen on their irc channels, the rest of the FSF is even worseFeb 28 11:47
schestowitz1.2 million lines of code for one massive blogFeb 28 11:47
schestowitz*blobFeb 28 11:47
schestowitzdiscourages participation, understanding (studying)Feb 28 11:47
psydroidsystemd is Linux-only, right? or do they want to force it onto the Hurd too?Feb 28 11:50
MinceRthey doFeb 28 11:50
MinceRor at least the hurd people apparently decided they wanted a huge single point of failure so they'd implement cgroups and the rest of that crapFeb 28 11:51
MinceRsystemd refuses to merge any patches that would make it compatible with anything other than Linux, but other kernels are welcome to adapt so they can run systemdFeb 28 11:51
MinceR(the hurd thing is another way in which GNU is failing)Feb 28 11:52
schestowitzyo, I herd you like kernels, so I put a kernel in your kernelFeb 28 11:55
MinceR:>Feb 28 11:57
schestowitzso ti's slow like a dawgFeb 28 11:59
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schestowitzremovedFeb 28 12:26
schestowitzit said: "someone ought to ask #esr eric s raymond the difference between osis plan to cancel #osi founders himself and bruce-- and his own plan to get #stallman cancelled many years ago."Feb 28 12:26
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Ariadnenobody should ask ESR anythingFeb 28 12:28
Ariadnepretend ESR does not existFeb 28 12:28
Ariadnewhen people say ESR in a sentence, say lalalalalaFeb 28 12:28
Ariadnehe has completely fucking lost it at this pointFeb 28 12:28
Ariadnein ESR world, the coronavirus is the invention of the chinese government, which it plans to execute its own people as a bioweaponFeb 28 12:29
Ariadnelike, he posted that shit on his blog and everythingFeb 28 12:29
Ariadnewhat ESR needs is to visit a psych ward, asapFeb 28 12:30
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MinceRdictatorships tend to value their own subjects even less than more free states :>Feb 28 13:10
MinceRalso, they could be lying about how many people were affected by the virus in red china :>Feb 28 13:10
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schestowitzAriadne: I saw thatFeb 28 13:11
schestowitzbut I still want to see what got him bannedFeb 28 13:12
schestowitzit matters evens for precedent's sakeFeb 28 13:12
Ariadneno idea, I think he threatened somebodyFeb 28 13:12
schestowitzseeing the OSI's moral boundariesFeb 28 13:12
Ariadnebut I don't have time to dig for the mailFeb 28 13:12
schestowitzAriadne: he said he had offended someoneFeb 28 13:12
Ariadnewell people do tend to be offended when threatenedFeb 28 13:13
Ariadnethe thing isFeb 28 13:13
Ariadneeveryone knows ESR has like a gazillion guns rightFeb 28 13:13
Ariadneso basically anything he says is going to be perceived in that contextFeb 28 13:13
schestowitzyou have firearms tooFeb 28 13:14
schestowitzDaemonFC[m] does tooFeb 28 13:15
schestowitzmany Americans have themFeb 28 13:15
schestowitzunlike hereFeb 28 13:15
schestowitzwhere shootings are rare, stabblings are what people need to watch out forFeb 28 13:15
schestowitzholster-level nuclear proliferationFeb 28 13:16
MinceRfamily atomics?Feb 28 13:16
schestowitzfeeling safe and empowered because you can kill other peopleFeb 28 13:16
schestowitzthe deterrence mentality when "everyone has em"Feb 28 13:17
MinceRit's more of the other way aroundFeb 28 13:17
MinceRfeeling unsafe and weak because you can't kill other people, and some of them can kill youFeb 28 13:17
schestowitzif all people went around with medical kits, that would be betterFeb 28 13:17
schestowitz"need a medic!"Feb 28 13:18
MinceRmedical kits aren't going to protect you from knives or bulletsFeb 28 13:18
schestowitzno, I was kidding about everyone having kits instead of gunsFeb 28 13:18
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oiaohmMinceR:  There is horrible numbers.Feb 28 14:04
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oiaohmReality is owning a gun increases you odds of death.Feb 28 14:04
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oiaohmschestowitz: anyone who has read over the numbers normally is not going to choose a gun.Feb 28 14:06
MinceRyes, there are a lot of incompetent people owning guns in the usaFeb 28 14:06
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MinceRdoesn't mean anyone else who obtains a gun also has to be an incompetent idiotFeb 28 14:06
oiaohmMinceR: really being skilled does not change the basic problems with guns.Feb 28 14:07
MinceRnot a question of skillFeb 28 14:07
MinceRa question of whether you careFeb 28 14:07
MinceRand follow the correct proceduresFeb 28 14:08
oiaohmguns are not the best weapon choice for confined space.Feb 28 14:08
MinceRnot all attacks happen in confined spacesFeb 28 14:08
MinceRbut perhaps you can convince the mugger to move into a small room so you can kill him with a katana in self defense.Feb 28 14:09
oiaohmConfined space does not require a small room.Feb 28 14:11
oiaohmMost muggers are stupid and get way too close.Feb 28 14:11
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oiaohmIf they don't get way to close the mugger is normally more use to what they are doing and before you could draw a hidden weapon you are dead.Feb 28 14:12
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oiaohmSometimes the best answer is insurance.Feb 28 14:13
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oiaohmMinceR:   there are a lot of different studies on the number.   The best way to deal with a mugger is have police on speed dial in most cases.Feb 28 14:19
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MinceRthey have teleportation devices now?Feb 28 14:21
oiaohmMinceR: the logic of a gun for self defense is not reflected in the numbers in most cases people raise.   Lot of people over look how much of a different having the police on speed dial is. Feb 28 14:21
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MinceRand if you end up with a mugger who isn't stupid enough, you're screwedFeb 28 14:21
oiaohmDialing the police against a mugger who is not stupid will most likely see mugger run and you get away unharmed where drawing a gun or any other weapon would have got you hurt.Feb 28 14:22
oiaohmThat the problem.Feb 28 14:23
MinceRor they'll mug you where the police can't go quicklyFeb 28 14:23
oiaohmSmart ones know that once the police line is open they are being recorded so anything they say could screw them over.Feb 28 14:23
oiaohmThe recording is the weapon.Feb 28 14:24
oiaohmSo dial police should be ahead of going for any other weapon if possible.Feb 28 14:24
MinceRthey'll write "He Recorded It" on your tombstone, thenFeb 28 14:24
XRevan86What will be written on the mugger's tombstone?Feb 28 14:25
oiaohmThe studies put high rate of death on drawing gun or any other weapon.Feb 28 14:25
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oiaohmThe safest option is dial police.Feb 28 14:25
MinceRthen the safest would be to always keep the gun in handFeb 28 14:26
MinceRthat way you won't have to draw itFeb 28 14:26
oiaohmIf you are going to use a weapon dial police and leave the line open can save you from a he say she say arguement.Feb 28 14:26
MinceRor use a powersuit with a shoulder-mounted gun (or more)Feb 28 14:26
oiaohmNo having weapon drawn gives attacker reason to shot first ask questions latter.Feb 28 14:27
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MinceRsome attackers already have reasons to do soFeb 28 14:28
oiaohmIf they are going to shot first and ask questions later you are not going to get to use the weapons to have anyhow.Feb 28 14:28
oiaohmIf they are anywhere near good.Feb 28 14:28
MinceRthen you're best off being the murdererFeb 28 14:29
MinceRthen you're the one who gets to surviveFeb 28 14:29
oiaohmRemember firearm is no good for self defence.  Now revenge that is another matter.Feb 28 14:30
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MinceRis that what the state told you when they took away your guns?Feb 28 14:31
MinceRinterestingly, they do use guns for self defenseFeb 28 14:31
oiaohmSo being a murderer does not mean the person you murder also does not happen to be friends with someone who will revenge murder.Feb 28 14:31
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MinceRyou'd think if weapons were so useless, then the australian military would have been disbanded or somethingFeb 28 14:31
MinceRor equipped with phones with the police on speed dialFeb 28 14:31
oiaohmPlease note the police and mil are not using self defense.   They are using a defense of other usage.Feb 28 14:32
oiaohmThis is why they also care a lot about body armor.Feb 28 14:32
oiaohmThey know they are screwing their percentage of living so need something to counter it.Feb 28 14:33
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MinceRso "Ministry of Defense" is a lie?Feb 28 14:35
MinceRor "Department of Defense"Feb 28 14:35
oiaohmMinceR: so really the argument that the police and mil usage guns is self defense is wrong.Feb 28 14:35
MinceRyeah, i know, the state is special and magicalFeb 28 14:35
oiaohmDefense has more than 1 meaning.Feb 28 14:35
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MinceRso just give up all your rights so the state can own youFeb 28 14:36
MinceRit's good for you!Feb 28 14:36
oiaohmYou look at most police shootings.  You will see 1 police/person being attacked and a different police officer takes the shot.Feb 28 14:36
oiaohmSame with military usage.Feb 28 14:36
oiaohmThe person under fire is attempting to move to cover the person not under fire takes the shot.Feb 28 14:36
oiaohmThis is defense of other usage.Feb 28 14:37
oiaohmFunny right the police and mil usage is 99.9 percent nothing todo with self defense and if a gun works in self defense for police/mil offices its dumb luck. Feb 28 14:38
oiaohmMinceR: please not it was USA collected numbers that first showed this.   Every where the studies have been done the same things have turned up.Feb 28 14:39
MinceRnow if you had a gun, you could defend the police officer you call to help you outFeb 28 14:39
oiaohmThat would be correct usage of gun.   But most people attempt to use gun for self defence ie themselves that does not work.Feb 28 14:39
MinceRat least it gives evil people something to worry aboutFeb 28 14:40
oiaohmMinceR:  There is a horrible stat.   Over 50 percent of those that die from a firearm shot themselves.Feb 28 14:43
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oiaohmThat is shot themselves intentionally.Feb 28 14:44
MinceRbad news for the armed forces againFeb 28 14:44
MinceRi.e. the state's sacred monopoly on violenceFeb 28 14:44
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oiaohmArmed forces do a lot to attempt to detect people who are going to  suicide.Feb 28 14:45
oiaohmSame with police.Feb 28 14:45
MinceRand for them it works because the state is magicFeb 28 14:45
oiaohmThey do manage with that stuff to move the number from 50-60 percent in general populations to about 30 percent.Feb 28 14:45
MinceRmaybe we should form a state that consists of armed forces only so this magic can be extended to all citizensFeb 28 14:45
MinceRit would be immoral not to do soFeb 28 14:45
oiaohmSome countries do.Feb 28 14:46
oiaohmWhere you want a firearm you have to join the armed forces and be monitored for issues.Feb 28 14:46
MinceRthat's not what i meantFeb 28 14:46
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MinceRwhat i meant was to have all citizens be part of the armed forcesFeb 28 14:46
oiaohmSome of those countries at the end of highschool have mandoary armed forces service for a year to teach you how to handle weapons and the like correctly.Feb 28 14:47
oiaohmWith the correct tattical logic.Feb 28 14:48
oiaohmSo those countries everyone is part of the armed forces.Feb 28 14:48
oiaohmYes they do show lower issues from having weapons in home.Feb 28 14:48
oiaohmThat all classes of weapons.Feb 28 14:48
MinceRniceFeb 28 14:49
oiaohmIt even reduces the people being careless with knifes and the like in kitchen.Feb 28 14:49
oiaohmBasically the numbers say what works.Feb 28 14:50
oiaohmSuggesting mandatory mil service normally does not go over well.Feb 28 14:50
oiaohmthat mandatory mil service is a year to drill into you correct weapon handling.Feb 28 14:50
oiaohmand usage.Feb 28 14:51
MinceRit doesn't have to be serviceFeb 28 14:51
MinceRand indeed, whom would the armed forces serve if every citizen is a member thereofFeb 28 14:51
oiaohmKind of does there training process that intentionally creates lack of sleep and other things make sure you have correct actions when you are under the weather by sleep or other means.Feb 28 14:52
oiaohmBasically normal school classes and the like have been shown not to cut it for weapon usage training.Feb 28 14:53
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oiaohmRemember the armed forces is to protect the country as well as it people.   Just because you are in the armed forces does not mean you are alway in a fit state to defend self.Feb 28 14:54
oiaohmMinceR: remember armed forces have to sleep.   So you could say stupidly that they are serving sleeping citizens.Feb 28 14:55
MinceR:>Feb 28 14:55
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oiaohmThe numbers tell a very interesting story.Feb 28 14:57
MinceRi only believe the statistics i myself falsified.Feb 28 14:58
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oiaohmCommon arguments for guns don't stack up.   But their are valid classes of arguements that could be used but they would also mean people with gun require more training than most people want todo.Feb 28 14:58
MinceRi thought the latter was evidentFeb 28 14:58
oiaohmReally here in Australia it possible to own what ever weapon you want as long as you under go the correct training.Feb 28 14:59
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DaemonFC[m]<oiaohm "Like was the capture of the term"> Yes, which makes Skynet a closed loop paradox. It doesn't exist in the 2020s without sending the T-800 back, but it doesn't exist in the 2020s before the closed loop because it takes people longee to create it without reverse engineering the Terminator CPUFeb 28 15:02
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schestowitzgun crime in Aussia was notoriously highFeb 28 15:02
schestowitzuntil people turned in the gunsFeb 28 15:02
MinceRnow only criminals and the state practice gun crime?Feb 28 15:03
DaemonFC[m]But then thanks to the events of T2, it doesn't exist anymore after the T-1000 and Cyberdyne are destroyed, in the Dark Fate timeline.Feb 28 15:03
DaemonFC[m]In the T3/Salvation timeline and the Genisys one, it exists, but the T2 events delay its development. Feb 28 15:04
DaemonFC[m]The 1997 Judgment Day got pushed back to 2004, but Terminator development sped up past that point because humans had done more of the work to create the first models.Feb 28 15:05
DaemonFC[m]Terninator suggests through Kyle Reese that the future that time travelers come back from is the one that will happen at that very moment if nothing changes.Feb 28 15:07
DaemonFC[m]So Skynet wasn't very good at calculating what the outcome would be. It caused its own demise by trying to game the system.Feb 28 15:07
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DaemonFC[m]Once time travel is invented, the past and the future can manipulate each other and the past is no longer immutable, so timelines flow in both directions. Also, anyone who gets trapped in the past from a deleted timeline is marooned from a future that doesn't exist.Feb 28 15:10
MinceRwhat a maroonFeb 28 15:10
DaemonFC[m]The T-800 in Dark Fate realizes that Skynet is gone. Which makes me wonder again. Wouldn't it be programmed to do stuff to make sure Skynet happens again?Feb 28 15:11
DaemonFC[m]<oiaohm "Dialing the police against a mug"> Most muggers don't want a murder charge over some crap in your pockets. Just cooperate with them. Been there.Feb 28 15:12
oiaohmDaemonFC[m]: that turns out to be the safest option on average if you are sure you will not be tempted todo something stupid. Feb 28 15:15
oiaohmIf you have the personality type to fight back/argue the safest option is dial police.Feb 28 15:16
oiaohmPersonality type is a factor.Feb 28 15:16
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MinceRwhat if i don't only carry some crap in my pockets?Feb 28 15:17
MinceRwhat if, for example, i carry private keys or a password database?Feb 28 15:17
oiaohmThat reminds me of the recommendation for those who carry lots of coins.  They ask for the money simple give it to them with speed.Feb 28 15:18
MinceRyeah, keep the coins in a sack and smack them with itFeb 28 15:19
oiaohmIts a case they asked for it and you obeyed its their problem for not thinking the result though.Feb 28 15:19
oiaohmWith private keys and password databases if the criminal are interested in that you are most likely in way worse trouble.Feb 28 15:21
MinceR"sorry i don't have any money, just a really expensive meteor hammer"Feb 28 15:21
oiaohmOf course some people stupidly have private keys and password database in expensive phone criminal could see as cash.Feb 28 15:24
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oiaohmThat meteor hammer one reminds me of a criminal that died because he stole from a person a uranium gold statue  you would have though lead lined brief case  was kind of a hint not to put the statue on the table where you are eating and living.Feb 28 15:27
MinceRniceFeb 28 15:40
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DaemonFC[m]Yeah, don't use your smartphone in a bad neighborhood.Feb 28 16:05
DaemonFC[m]Criminals are stupid and they'll mug you on the chance it's an iPhone.Feb 28 16:06
DaemonFC[m]I laughed at the Apple watch.Feb 28 16:07
DaemonFC[m]It's a really good way to tell potential muggers that there's at least a couple grand worth of Apple stuff on you, and probably cash.Feb 28 16:08
DaemonFC[m]You don't think they pay attention to these things, but they do.Feb 28 16:08
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schestowitzDaemonFC[m]: yupFeb 28 16:42
schestowitzI don't carry a walletFeb 28 16:42
schestowitzor gadgetsFeb 28 16:42
schestowitzbut some say it's not safe, eitherFeb 28 16:43
schestowitzthere's nothing valuable for me to give to satisfy a muggerFeb 28 16:43
schestowitzso they can get angry and more aggressiveFeb 28 16:43
schestowitzRob Weir from IBM wrote about it after he had been mugged in SwitzerlandFeb 28 16:43
DaemonFC[m]Okay, so Brave Adblock is incredibly fast, but it misses some things.Feb 28 16:55
DaemonFC[m]It seems to take care of about 90-95% of the problem of ads and trackers.Feb 28 16:55
MinceRcan you add lists to it?Feb 28 16:55
MinceRfrom uBlock Origin or whateverFeb 28 16:55
DaemonFC[m]Only from a pre-defined set of regional lists, or one filter at a time.Feb 28 16:56
DaemonFC[m]So you still need ublock-origin.Feb 28 16:56
DaemonFC[m]Now, how much you need it is up for debate.Feb 28 16:56
DaemonFC[m]I'd say if you want to trim things down and still catch 99% of the stuff, then uncheck ublock-filters, easylist, and easyprivacy, and check Adguard Trackers, Adguard Annoyances, Adguard Social, and Fanboy's Facebook list.Feb 28 16:58
DaemonFC[m]And maybe Adblock warning removal.Feb 28 16:58
DaemonFC[m]Or Fanboy's annoyances and Ublock-Origin Annoyances together would probably be better than Adguard.Feb 28 16:59
DaemonFC[m]It seems like most of what Brave-Adblock doesn't go after are in the "annoyance" category and an occasional tracker.Feb 28 17:00
MinceRpftFeb 28 17:02
MinceRso how much does brave help you if you're using uBlock Origin anyway?Feb 28 17:03
DaemonFC[m]The Brave Adblock filter is written in Rust and it's 100x faster than ublock-origin.Feb 28 17:05
DaemonFC[m]So by staying out of its way and giving ubblock-origin just the responsibility to block a few aggravations and a tracker here and there, you theoretically speed up your ad blocking, overall.Feb 28 17:06
MinceRand ads blocked by it don't get processed by ublock origin?Feb 28 17:06
MinceRicFeb 28 17:06
DaemonFC[m]Well, when I had Easylist loaded to see what would happen, it seems like they're cooperative to an extent.Feb 28 17:06
DaemonFC[m]The ads that Brave goes after are stopped by the native adblock before the requests get sent to ublock.Feb 28 17:07
DaemonFC[m]So it seems the native one is the priority here.Feb 28 17:07
DaemonFC[m]If you don't mind the overhead of having some extra rules, ublock-origin can clean up the whitespace mess and I guess that's something too.Feb 28 17:07
DaemonFC[m]Looking at a Fox News article....Feb 28 17:09
DaemonFC[m]Other than some whitespace, the only thing the Brave adblock doesn't nail are Google's Funding Choices (in the annoyance lists) and a tracker.Feb 28 17:11
DaemonFC[m]Brave stopped 24 requests and ublock-origin got 2.Feb 28 17:12
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Seems the optimal thing here is to relegate ublock-origin to stopping nuisances and a little bit of tracking and let Brave do the heavy lifting.Feb 28 17:13
DaemonFC[m]It doesn't stop you from using ublock-origin, or turning off Brave Shields and solely relying on ublock-origin.Feb 28 17:14
DaemonFC[m]But the fact is, Brave Adblock is so much more efficient that it's the main selling point of the browser.Feb 28 17:14
DaemonFC[m]So turning it off is possible, but why would you do it?Feb 28 17:14
MinceRindeedFeb 28 17:18
DaemonFC[m]Seems maybe the ublock filters should be left alone.Feb 28 17:18
DaemonFC[m]I'm reading through it a bit.Feb 28 17:18
DaemonFC[m]It dismantles things like fuckadblock.js by redirecting them to a different script.Feb 28 17:18
DaemonFC[m]I see Fuck Adblock show up on a lot of sites.Feb 28 17:20
DaemonFC[m]Including financial ones.Feb 28 17:20
DaemonFC[m]Apparently, ublock filters has the rule to dismantle it.Feb 28 17:20
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DaemonFC[m]Fanboy Annoyances seems to be so much larger than Adguard Annoyances because Fanboy's Annoyances has Fanboy Social in it.Feb 28 17:21
DaemonFC[m]Adguard split them between Annoyances and Social.Feb 28 17:21
DaemonFC[m]So if you have Fanboy Annoyances, you don't need Fanboy Social.Feb 28 17:22
DaemonFC[m]It won't hurt anything though. ublock-origin would parse it into the rules, realize that they were mainly duplicates, and exclude the redundancies.Feb 28 17:22
DaemonFC[m]Fanboy Annoyances also has a EU cookie notice list.Feb 28 17:24
DaemonFC[m]But so does Brave.Feb 28 17:24
DaemonFC[m]So I can use Adguard Social and Annoyances instead of Fanboy Annoyances, and that drops the Cookie Notice rules that Brave already lets you turn on, and drops 5,000 rules.Feb 28 17:26
DaemonFC[m]It seems Faux News had a video about SNL mocking Republican Congressman Crenshaw and him whining about it.Feb 28 17:30
DaemonFC[m]Trump whines a lot about being mocked too. You're a public figure, someone will mock you. Being a whining douchebag about it on Twitter is only going to make people laugh at you even more.Feb 28 17:30
DaemonFC[m]Plus, Crenshaw is all dressed up for National Talk Like a Pirate Day, so that's one item off the checklist.Feb 28 17:30
MinceRlolFeb 28 17:30
MinceRGoldenDawnald can dish it out, but can't take itFeb 28 17:31
DaemonFC[m]BAT seems to be having some trouble with market fluctuations.Feb 28 17:40
DaemonFC[m]It's been worth as much as 80 cents and as little as 20 cents per BAT in the past 2 years.Feb 28 17:41
DaemonFC[m]But it's sitting at 21 cents right now.Feb 28 17:42
DaemonFC[m]It's because the stock market is melting down.Feb 28 17:42
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Trump had this to say about the Coronavirus. Feb 28 17:43
DaemonFC[m]"It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear," Trump told attendees at an African American History Month reception in the White House Cabinet Room. The World Health Organization says the virus has "pandemic potential" and medical experts have warned it will spread in the US.Feb 28 17:43
DaemonFC[m]The President added that "from our shores, you know, it could get worse before it gets better. Could maybe go away. We'll see what happens. Nobody really knows."Feb 28 17:43
DaemonFC[m]---Feb 28 17:43
DaemonFC[m]Right after he said that, the stock market lost another $500 billion dolllartsFeb 28 17:44
DaemonFC[m]*dollarsFeb 28 17:44
MinceRCoronavirus in general?Feb 28 17:45
DaemonFC[m]yes, eventually after the plague hits everyone and those who die, die, it goes away and gets betterFeb 28 17:45
DaemonFC[m]like a miracleFeb 28 17:45
DaemonFC[m]It's so miraculous the Pope himself had to be called in.Feb 28 17:45
MinceRlolFeb 28 17:45
DaemonFC[m]MinceR: It's already out of control here and they're acting like it's not even here.Feb 28 17:46
DaemonFC[m]Probably what caused most of the problem was Trump ignoring the CDC and sending people to evacuate Americans from Wuhan without any protective gear, and then ignoring the CDC and evacuating the Americans off the Diamond Princess cruise ship.Feb 28 17:46
DaemonFC[m]Now that so many people who were infected are in the US, it escapes somehow guaranteed.Feb 28 17:47
DaemonFC[m]But he'll keep denying it as more and more people get sick, as something that will just miraculously go away one day.Feb 28 17:47
MinceRdoes the extinction of the human species count as a "miracle"?Feb 28 17:47
DaemonFC[m]California claims it is "monitoring" 8,500 people and New York says 700. Like that's even possible.Feb 28 17:48
MinceRsurveillance :>Feb 28 17:48
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: "We're watching them cough and sneeze on people. In a week we expect to be monitoring 50,000. Carry on!"Feb 28 18:01
MinceRmoar liek "Carrion!"Feb 28 18:02
DaemonFC[m]"What are you doing about it?" Government: "We're watching them from our Secure Undisclosed Location. Whoever survives will be further governed!"Feb 28 18:03
MinceRlolFeb 28 18:03
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DaemonFC[m]MinceR: Apparently, it's 10 times more likely to kill people over 60. See, Trump did save Social Security.Feb 28 18:06
MinceRlolFeb 28 18:08
MinceRdid Agent Orange hire a biological weapons law in red china to save Social Security in the USA, then?Feb 28 18:08
DaemonFC[m]I actually did laugh and agree with Trump on something. I had the radio on NPR and he quoted Tom Steyer and said "Christ, what an idiot!".Feb 28 18:09
DaemonFC[m]Steyer, who has no chance of picking up the Democratic nomination, rose to third place in SC, largely on promising black people "reparations" for slavery, which ended in 1865.Feb 28 18:11
DaemonFC[m]I hate the south.Feb 28 18:13
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DaemonFC[m]I think we should march down there and burn it again. Bunch of freeloaders on welfare who vote for Donald Trump is all it is.Feb 28 18:13
DaemonFC[m]They're too stupid to realize they'd be the primary beneficiaries of the programs Sanders proposes and that none of them are billionaires that would pay tax.Feb 28 18:14
MinceRmost people are too stupidFeb 28 18:14
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schestowitz> Go to OSI lists page. lists.opensource.orgFeb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Go to archives -> license-review, gzip'd text.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Download Feb 2020. You'll find one email from ESR. You'll also find C Lemmer Webber is active-- he's on both the Guix anti-RMS petitiion and the older LibrePlanet safe RMS petition-- the latter hosted on Eric Shultz website, who I believed signed the LibrePlanet safe petition also.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Eric Shultz is also active on the OSI list.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Now go back and click on the license-discuss archive.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Get the gzip'd text. You'll find phrases "5 and 6" as well as "horse you rode in on."Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> I think this is what you're looking for.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> You'll find an exchange between none other than Shultz, the Stallman LibrePlanet petition signer and host, and ESR.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> Feb 28 18:30
schestowitz> This could be off the right trail, but gosh, it sure doesn't appear to be.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitzI  know it's a big favour to ask, but with all the  context there I think it's hard to digest fully.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitzBut I think it's worth laying out in full, with or without comments, just so that readers understand what happened.Feb 28 18:30
schestowitzThoughts?Feb 28 18:30
DaemonFC[m]Vivaldi on Facebook told me that they would look into the Brave Adblock code.Feb 28 18:36
DaemonFC[m]I pointed them to it. It's open source.Feb 28 18:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Verge's $2000 PC Build Reaction Supercut - YouTubeFeb 28 23:17
XRevan86MinceR: A comboFeb 28 23:24
XRevan86so many people butthurting at how bad the video is at onceFeb 28 23:24
MinceRprobably because some unlucky noob might end up following that guide and waste $2000 worth of PC parts :>Feb 28 23:25
XRevan861. get a themopaste "applicator"; 2. screwdriver? yea, I guess, whateverFeb 28 23:25
XRevan86> it has built-in wi-fi and bluetoothFeb 28 23:26
XRevan86But… why?Feb 28 23:26
MinceRbecause if he had to install some peripheral to do those, you know he'd fuck that up tooFeb 28 23:27
XRevan86MinceR: toucheFeb 28 23:27
XRevan86MinceR: I honestly didn't think it's hardFeb 28 23:30
XRevan86I've built working PCs just by guessingFeb 28 23:30
XRevan86But I also have never seen an NVMe in my lifeFeb 28 23:32
MinceRthere's one in one of my laptopsFeb 28 23:32
MinceRbut i never opened up that caseFeb 28 23:32
XRevan86MinceR: After seeing the fan I'm convinced no one's that stupid, it must be intentional.Feb 28 23:34
XRevan86"CPU applicator" – "you don't need that"Feb 28 23:37
XRevan86he needs thatFeb 28 23:37
XRevan86oh, even he doesn't use itFeb 28 23:38
XRevan86MinceR: Okay, that's absolutely disgusting.Feb 28 23:42
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XRevan86> Tells you a lot about the credibility of these "tech reporters", which in case you didn't already know they're run by Vox (which should be warning enough already).Feb 28 23:46
XRevan86MinceR: Do you know who are those?Feb 28 23:46
MinceRnot reallyFeb 28 23:46
XRevan86* theyFeb 28 23:46
MinceRad fontes media thinks they're not too bad, but that's not the tech part >> 28 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/ | Interactive Media Bias Chart - Ad Fontes MediaFeb 28 23:48 is pretty atrocious when it comes to IT as well...Feb 28 23:48
MinceRi stopped opening their articles about mobile deviceFeb 28 23:48
MinceRsFeb 28 23:48
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XRevan86I cannot remove the image of that thermopaste from my mind.Feb 28 23:50
MinceR:)Feb 28 23:50
XRevan86that was traumatisingFeb 28 23:50
XRevan86"thermopaste" – this is such a calque from Russian it can probably be used as a detector %).Feb 28 23:53
XRevan86But possibly some languages too.Feb 28 23:54
XRevan86* some otherFeb 28 23:54

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