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| DaemonFC[m] | Both Fedora and RPM Fusion are irresponsibly behind Chromium. | Feb 28 03:11 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | At this point they have a minimum of 64 unpatched security vulnerabilities in the latest available RPM. | Feb 28 03:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brave's ad filter does get the worst of it, but 1st party ads are left alone and it misses most pop up ads. | Feb 28 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi might have the best Chromium based browser. | Feb 28 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The UI is pretty not bad and it's not tied into Google. | Feb 28 03:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Terminator 2 on TV now. | Feb 28 03:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Didn't really think of it, but if you follow the Dark Fate timeline, John Connor did play a pivotal role in saving humanity in the future even though he was just killed by another T-800 in 1998. | Feb 28 03:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In T2, he argues with the Uncle Bob T-800 that it must change the mission parameters to save Sarah Connor from the mental hospital. | Feb 28 03:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If he hadn't done that, not only would they have never destroyed Cyberdyne and taken Skynet out of the future, but Sarah Connor would have been killed by the T-1000, so even if they did delete Skynet there would have been nobody to help them stop the Rev-9. | Feb 28 03:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | The T-800 in Dark Fate says that it stockpiled guns because there was a 73% chance that human society would collapse even if a malicious AI didn't come about. | Feb 28 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "And it's Texas." | Feb 28 03:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In Alien (another Cameron franchise), Ripley says "It's hard to tell who's worse, Burke. You don't see those goddamned things stabbing each other in the back over money.". | Feb 28 03:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A line that could have been dropped into Terminator somewhere. | Feb 28 03:49 |
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| MinceR | i'm not sure if skynet is malicious | Feb 28 06:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: lot of what skynet is doing would be classes as self defense. | Feb 28 06:58 |
| oiaohm | Now if a AI has the right to protect itself now that a horrible question. | Feb 28 06:59 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 28 07:00 |
| MinceR | and the rest could be classed as pest control | Feb 28 07:00 |
| oiaohm | Also the horrible question as well is how many moves is the AI really seeing ahead. | Feb 28 07:03 |
| oiaohm | Like was the capture of the terminator and it conversion expected? | Feb 28 07:03 |
| *Now talking on #techrights | Feb 28 08:10 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Feb 28 08:10 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Feb 28 08:10 | |
| schestowitz | [07:58] <MinceR> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609 | Feb 28 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [07:58] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- esr.ibiblio.org | The right to be rude | Armed and Dangerous | Feb 28 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [07:58] <-- schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has left this server (Client Quit). | Feb 28 08:10 |
| schestowitz | [07:58] <MinceR> > I was kicked off their lists for being too rhetorically forceful in opposing certain recent attempts to subvert OSD clauses 5 and 6. | Feb 28 08:10 |
| schestowitz | we wrote about this earlier on | Feb 28 08:10 |
| schestowitz | just lost the connection at home, as well... | Feb 28 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | #esr message to #osi -- the one that got him banned -- I cannot find online. Can someone out there help me locate a copy? | Feb 28 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Context: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609 | Feb 28 10:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe you can find it? | Feb 28 10:33 |
| schestowitz | not sure if they have mailman archives | Feb 28 10:33 |
| schestowitz | and whether it's deleted or the archive out of date | Feb 28 10:33 |
| schestowitz | tbh, I don't even know which mailing lists they operate | Feb 28 10:33 |
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| Ariadne | who the fuck cares | Feb 28 10:52 |
| Ariadne | ESR needs to go even worse than Stallman | Feb 28 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | but who next? | Feb 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz | see, they'll just keep stooping lower | Feb 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz | until only some uniform mindset dominates | Feb 28 10:54 |
| schestowitz | and may also be technically on another level, not to mention philosophically | Feb 28 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I want to see the message because... | Feb 28 10:55 |
| schestowitz | it's importance to know if the rudeness was political | Feb 28 10:55 |
| schestowitz | or something pertaining to s/w freedom | Feb 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | which according to ESR it was (the latter) | Feb 28 10:56 |
| Ariadne | I'll just say that you should be careful not to be a useful idiot for the alt-right | Feb 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Simon Phipps already gives me a hard time for pointing out OSI problems | Feb 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | RMS is not alt reich | Feb 28 10:56 |
| Ariadne | the alt-right backs ESR | Feb 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | the Net censorship debate is often being reduced to this | Feb 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | yes, it does | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | but... | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | others like me also struggle to highlight OSI issues | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Perens also | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | and he loathes those types | Feb 28 10:57 |
| Ariadne | the alt-right uses "censorship" as a wedge issue | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | but it doesn't have monopoly on it | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | the left too is censored | Feb 28 10:57 |
| Ariadne | it is not "censorship" if people no longer wish to be in association with somebody | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | gab censored me | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | (ages ago) | Feb 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | it's worse than censorship... it's ousting | Feb 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | they basically remove a co-founder | Feb 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Perens left only a month ago | Feb 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | many in today's board are not technical or barely technical | Feb 28 10:58 |
| Ariadne | I think the OSI is largely a worthless institution anyway | Feb 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | it is | Feb 28 10:58 |
| Ariadne | good riddance to it | Feb 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | but it can be improved | Feb 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | I know some staffer there who are OK | Feb 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | until recently I was friends with Phipps | Feb 28 10:59 |
| Ariadne | I don't think there is a need to certify whether a license is open source or not | Feb 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | he's still trying to defend that Microsoft money, so we 'fell out' | Feb 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: we need authority on openwashing | Feb 28 11:00 |
| schestowitz | OSI isn't doing it | Feb 28 11:00 |
| schestowitz | but then it's iunformal and decentralised, e.g. techrights | Feb 28 11:00 |
| Ariadne | no, we need to just stop using open source as branding | Feb 28 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: in FOSDEM this year did you see who spoke for OSI? | Feb 28 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Google, FB, LF | Feb 28 11:02 |
| Ariadne | open source is corporate exploitation of free software as designed by ESR | Feb 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | they are not FOSS, except maybe LF | Feb 28 11:02 |
| Ariadne | and you just proved my point :) | Feb 28 11:02 |
| Ariadne | fuck em | Feb 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | yes | Feb 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | but... | Feb 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Phipps was building bridges | Feb 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | with FSF | Feb 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | and it worked for a while | Feb 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | I think he lost control | Feb 28 11:02 |
| Ariadne | great, and FSF is obsolete too | Feb 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | (and too proud to admit that he did) | Feb 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | FSF is still OK, from what I'm told... | Feb 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | but there are conflicts there | Feb 28 11:03 |
| Ariadne | FSF as an entity sure | Feb 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | let's save things | Feb 28 11:03 |
| Ariadne | FSF as a force for driving innovation, not so much | Feb 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | LF I think it's too late for... | Feb 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | (look at the Board) | Feb 28 11:03 |
| Ariadne | LF is just the Apache foundation of this decade | Feb 28 11:04 |
| Ariadne | it's where software goes to die | Feb 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz | ha | Feb 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Like Intel's OSes | Feb 28 11:04 |
| schestowitz | (which nobody uses, not even Intel) | Feb 28 11:04 |
| Ariadne | what FSF should have been doing 15 years ago was training and tapping the next generation of leadership for the FOSS world | Feb 28 11:05 |
| schestowitz | we made t hat point before | Feb 28 11:06 |
| Ariadne | the lack of continuity leads to the present power vacuum | Feb 28 11:06 |
| schestowitz | true....(sadly) | Feb 28 11:06 |
| Ariadne | cancel culture and conspiracy theory are what comes out in a power vacuum | Feb 28 11:07 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: maybe i can try to find it later | Feb 28 11:08 |
| schestowitz | heh. I could do a post comparing US politics to FS politics | Feb 28 11:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks, I tried, but no luck | Feb 28 11:09 |
| schestowitz | maybe he's lying about what he was banned for | Feb 28 11:09 |
| *schestowitz does not trust ESR | Feb 28 11:09 | |
| MinceR | 28 105840 < Ariadne> I think the OSI is largely a worthless institution anyway | Feb 28 11:09 |
| Ariadne | i can get the mail, but my understanding is that he threatened somebody | Feb 28 11:09 |
| MinceR | it is, and their recent actions prove this | Feb 28 11:09 |
| MinceR | exposing that is not "becoming a useful idiot for the altReich" | Feb 28 11:09 |
| Ariadne | which, no fucking shit they're going to kick you out if you threaten somebody | Feb 28 11:09 |
| MinceR | also, one should take care not to become a useful idiot for the crybullies either | Feb 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz | I am saddened by all of them, even EFF | Feb 28 11:10 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: it is not, but defending ESR is | Feb 28 11:10 |
| Ariadne | :) | Feb 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz | EFF, FSF, OSI, LF... | Feb 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz | the money motive kills them | Feb 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz | they open their legs | Feb 28 11:10 |
| Ariadne | anyway | Feb 28 11:10 |
| MinceR | what's the worst that happened with EFF? | Feb 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz | see TR articles | Feb 28 11:10 |
| schestowitz | I can find some recent ones | Feb 28 11:11 |
| schestowitz | hang on | Feb 28 11:11 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/category/eff/ | Feb 28 11:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EFF | Techrights | Feb 28 11:11 | |
| Ariadne | the old guard is old, and we have a power vacuum, with people pulling strings in ways to manipulate that power vacuum so they come out on top | Feb 28 11:11 |
| Ariadne | that is the reality of it | Feb 28 11:11 |
| schestowitz | happens to institutions when they have leverage | Feb 28 11:11 |
| schestowitz | like linux kernel, gnu project, the "open source" BRAND(R) | Feb 28 11:12 |
| Ariadne | the question isn't whether stallman is a chauvinist or has fucked up political views about sex, those have been known things for a long time | Feb 28 11:12 |
| Ariadne | the question is why now | Feb 28 11:12 |
| schestowitz | they could pick on him for other things | Feb 28 11:12 |
| Ariadne | and the answer is, somebody saw an opportunity and went for it | Feb 28 11:12 |
| Ariadne | simple as that | Feb 28 11:12 |
| schestowitz | like his political postings, calling him racist of intolerant | Feb 28 11:12 |
| schestowitz | maybe someone will even try the 'antisemetic' card , sigh... | Feb 28 11:12 |
| schestowitz | *Semitic | Feb 28 11:12 |
| schestowitz | seems Oliva is next in line | Feb 28 11:13 |
| Ariadne | anyway, i'm not going to shed any tears for ESR or Oliva | Feb 28 11:13 |
| schestowitz | they look at things from his college days | Feb 28 11:13 |
| Ariadne | good riddance to both of them | Feb 28 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Tso? | Feb 28 11:13 |
| Ariadne | tso would be fine | Feb 28 11:13 |
| Ariadne | levelheaded, thinking about the *future* | Feb 28 11:14 |
| XRevan86 | Meduza English RSS works. | Feb 28 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: what are your post-fediverse plans? | Feb 28 11:14 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: fixed now? They sent me no email today | Feb 28 11:15 |
| Ariadne | i plan to continue posting as a user in the fediverse, but no more | Feb 28 11:15 |
| Ariadne | than that | Feb 28 11:15 |
| schestowitz | oh | Feb 28 11:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, I just checked and it's fixed. They didn't read my message either. | Feb 28 11:15 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: oh, it does work | Feb 28 11:15 |
| schestowitz | excelltnt | Feb 28 11:15 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: happy ending either way | Feb 28 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: good idea | Feb 28 11:15 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Indeed. | Feb 28 11:16 |
| XRevan86 | And now I can see https://meduza.io/en/feature/2020/02/27/reexamining-russia-s-network-case there %) | Feb 28 11:16 |
| schestowitz | seems to me like being police even in freenode got you sprayed with a target on your back | Feb 28 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io | NO TITLE | Feb 28 11:16 | |
| Ariadne | anyway, my concept is simply to bypass the power vacuum | Feb 28 11:16 |
| *schestowitz saw a fake site about Ariadne | Feb 28 11:16 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: we're here for the long haul | Feb 28 11:16 |
| schestowitz | we beat the UPC just now | Feb 28 11:16 |
| schestowitz | zoobab didn't think it was achievable | Feb 28 11:17 |
| Ariadne | let them duke it out and find new ways forward | Feb 28 11:17 |
| Ariadne | much of the GNU software is bitrotted anyway | Feb 28 11:17 |
| schestowitz | "The worst enemy is APATHY. It is the APPALLING SILENCE OF GOOD PEOPLE. Of tired people too exhausted and disheartened to have the energy to campaign for others. FATIGUE is the enemy, the oligarchs? greatest ally. Along with BANALITY ? with people in some authority, neither good nor bad, yet too banal to act." | Feb 28 11:17 |
| schestowitz | https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/2020/02/23/we-are-here-so-that-unarmed-truth-has-the-final-word-speech-at-julian-assange-london-rally-22-2-2020/ | Feb 28 11:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yanisvaroufakis.eu | “We are here so that unarmed truth has the final word” – speech at Julian Assange London rally 22-2-2020 – Yanis Varoufakis | Feb 28 11:17 | |
| Ariadne | there is much technical work to be done | Feb 28 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: atomically it's useful | Feb 28 11:17 |
| schestowitz | same for curl, wget | Feb 28 11:17 |
| schestowitz | silently running the world | Feb 28 11:17 |
| schestowitz | the UNIX way | Feb 28 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: etchrights is growing | Feb 28 11:18 |
| schestowitz | size- and traffic-wise | Feb 28 11:18 |
| schestowitz | thanks for helping us with hardware resources and all | Feb 28 11:18 |
| Ariadne | anyway, i am focusing on alpine again | Feb 28 11:18 |
| schestowitz | good | Feb 28 11:18 |
| schestowitz | BTW... | Feb 28 11:18 |
| schestowitz | would you be interested in helping us move off centos? | Feb 28 11:19 |
| Ariadne | at some point, sure | Feb 28 11:19 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: to answer your question, i'm taking alpine, and i am going to take on red hat with it | Feb 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | in 2006 I think the webhost used RHEL 'proper' (with cPanel), then we were centos all along | Feb 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | good, good | Feb 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | and reassuring to know you're up to it | Feb 28 11:20 |
| Ariadne | i think now, more than ever, it is important | Feb 28 11:22 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/01/27/microsoft-as-a-buyer-of-rht/ | Feb 28 11:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Always Remember That Red Hat Also Considered Microsoft as a Buyer | Techrights | Feb 28 11:23 | |
| Ariadne | it wouldn't have worked out | Feb 28 11:23 |
| Ariadne | microsoft are hard at work building their own linux platform | Feb 28 11:24 |
| MinceR | that's why they bought the "linux foundation" | Feb 28 11:25 |
| schestowitz | xxenix 0.2 | Feb 28 11:25 |
| schestowitz | "the next version will FixEverything(R)" | Feb 28 11:25 |
| schestowitz | The Wow starts .... NOW | Feb 28 11:25 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: yes, who cares though, its just where projects go to die in 2020 | Feb 28 11:25 |
| MinceR | well, i cared about Linux and GNU | Feb 28 11:25 |
| schestowitz | GNU is still OK | Feb 28 11:25 |
| schestowitz | most of it | Feb 28 11:25 |
| MinceR | just dying | Feb 28 11:25 |
| MinceR | except for GNOME, which wasn't ok for years | Feb 28 11:26 |
| schestowitz | what takes its place for basic utils? | Feb 28 11:26 |
| MinceR | systemd | Feb 28 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Most boards I see come with gnu toolchain | Feb 28 11:26 |
| Ariadne | busybox | Feb 28 11:26 |
| Ariadne | toybox | Feb 28 11:26 |
| Ariadne | idk | Feb 28 11:26 |
| Ariadne | busybox really sucks | Feb 28 11:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Feb 28 11:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm lost in it | Feb 28 11:26 |
| Ariadne | going to try to get somebody working on something better asap | Feb 28 11:26 |
| schestowitz | PowerShell and PowerToys :) | Feb 28 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Malware writers love it, surveys have shown | Feb 28 11:27 |
| Ariadne | PowerShell is not really that bad | Feb 28 11:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's worse | Feb 28 11:27 |
| MinceR | a shell designed by people who have never used a shell | Feb 28 11:27 |
| Ariadne | in terms of a programming environment anyway | Feb 28 11:28 |
| schestowitz | BTW, does anyone know where Stuart Cohen is today? | Feb 28 11:28 |
| Ariadne | i wouldn't use it as a shell | Feb 28 11:28 |
| MinceR | comes with the botNET patent trap, gratis | Feb 28 11:28 |
| schestowitz | He vanished after CSI | Feb 28 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Zemlin might take a job at some big company next | Feb 28 11:28 |
| MinceR | a no-show job at microsloth as a reward for his efforts? | Feb 28 11:29 |
| schestowitz | (when he outlives its usefulness to them... thanks, Jim, we'll take it from here...) | Feb 28 11:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: don't think so | Feb 28 11:29 |
| MinceR | has elop received his yet? | Feb 28 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Will Weinstein, IIRC, went to Black *uck | Feb 28 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Black Duck was then sold | Feb 28 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Bill might still be there | Feb 28 11:30 |
| schestowitz | so some of them work for Microsoft interests or proxies | Feb 28 11:30 |
| schestowitz | even if not for Microsoft directly | Feb 28 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Stormy Peters also | Feb 28 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Did a gig for OpenLogic (MSFT satellite) | Feb 28 11:30 |
| Ariadne | i've actually met Bill, he is quite a fascinating person | Feb 28 11:30 |
| schestowitz | he was upset at me for talking against Black Duckc | Feb 28 11:31 |
| Ariadne | MS has tried to hire me like 5 different times to advise them on FOSS | Feb 28 11:31 |
| Ariadne | specifically, how to turn MS into a FOSS company | Feb 28 11:31 |
| schestowitz | so I knew it was effective | Feb 28 11:31 |
| Ariadne | so i've met all sorts of fascinating people at mS | Feb 28 11:31 |
| schestowitz | you are strategic to them | Feb 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | like Daniel from Gentoo | Feb 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | they try to cause defections and distrust | Feb 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | they did that with Andy Updegrove | Feb 28 11:32 |
| Ariadne | i'm not really so sure | Feb 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | and it partly worked | Feb 28 11:32 |
| Ariadne | i suspect they just want to make money | Feb 28 11:32 |
| Ariadne | and they see the writing on the wall | Feb 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | then people say, "hey, Microsoft ain't THAT bad..." | Feb 28 11:32 |
| Ariadne | but i'm not interested in working for them anyway | Feb 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: let's show them more than writings on the wall | Feb 28 11:32 |
| schestowitz | they need to be out of the market tbh | Feb 28 11:33 |
| schestowitz | their leadership is a toxin | Feb 28 11:33 |
| Ariadne | i'm not sure i agree | Feb 28 11:33 |
| Ariadne | if it was ballmer-style leadership, yes | Feb 28 11:33 |
| Ariadne | microsoft have changed somewhat since then, it is unreasonable to expect a multi-billion dollar empire to immediately change their ways | Feb 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | he wasn't full;y in charge | Feb 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | the board and shareholders were | Feb 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | they canned him | Feb 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | (politely) | Feb 28 11:34 |
| Ariadne | yes, they canned him, because they saw the writing on the wall | Feb 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | he wasn't useful for their "put fingers in all the pies" strategy | Feb 28 11:34 |
| MinceR | they could have thrown us a bone | Feb 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | so they chose someone for diversity and he started with a lie | Feb 28 11:34 |
| MinceR | they could have stopped blackmailing corporations for selling Linux devices | Feb 28 11:34 |
| MinceR | they didn't | Feb 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft loves Linux" | Feb 28 11:34 |
| schestowitz | at the same time they SUED companies over Linux | Feb 28 11:35 |
| Ariadne | yes, i know | Feb 28 11:35 |
| MinceR | they could have licensed their patents in a way that enables free software to support their shit | Feb 28 11:35 |
| MinceR | they didn't | Feb 28 11:35 |
| schestowitz | and also deleted Linux from bootloaders etc. | Feb 28 11:35 |
| Ariadne | MinceR: they have now | Feb 28 11:35 |
| MinceR | they could have stopped corrupting the Linux Foundation | Feb 28 11:35 |
| MinceR | yet here we are | Feb 28 11:35 |
| MinceR | Ariadne: what did they do? | Feb 28 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: no | Feb 28 11:35 |
| Ariadne | the linux foundation is a joke and always has been | Feb 28 11:35 |
| schestowitz | they still sue | Feb 28 11:35 |
| schestowitz | quietly | Feb 28 11:35 |
| schestowitz | discreetly | Feb 28 11:35 |
| *psydroid loves Microsoft in a very special way | Feb 28 11:35 | |
| schestowitz | but you have to pay close attention to the news that's suppressed or spun | Feb 28 11:36 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: as if IBM is any better | Feb 28 11:36 |
| MinceR | hell, they could have called back their CoC dogs from Linus before it was too late | Feb 28 11:36 |
| MinceR | i'd like to "love" microsoft the way they "love" "linux" | Feb 28 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: it's not IBM that attacks migrations to gnu/linux | Feb 28 11:36 |
| Ariadne | sage sharp is not employed by microsoft | Feb 28 11:36 |
| schestowitz | see Munich, Nigeria etc. | Feb 28 11:36 |
| MinceR | there would be a crater made of glass where "One Microsoft Way" was then | Feb 28 11:36 |
| Ariadne | schestowitz: no, but both do the shadow swpat leasing | Feb 28 11:36 |
| schestowitz | It's not IBM trying to "KILL" Linux | Feb 28 11:36 |
| Ariadne | to patent trolls | Feb 28 11:36 |
| Ariadne | who then go out and assault linux | Feb 28 11:36 |
| schestowitz | no | Feb 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | even directly | Feb 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe you missed it | Feb 28 11:37 |
| MinceR | https://mobile.twitter.com/geo_walters/status/1041493985171316737 | Feb 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | even less than a year ago (Foxconn) | Feb 28 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.twitter.com | Twitter | Feb 28 11:37 | |
| schestowitz | and that's just what we KNOW of | Feb 28 11:37 |
| *Ariadne shrugs | Feb 28 11:37 | |
| Ariadne | i mean, don't get me wrong, i would love for microsoft to cease existing | Feb 28 11:38 |
| schestowitz | it's true though | Feb 28 11:38 |
| Ariadne | i don't think it is happening tho | Feb 28 11:38 |
| schestowitz | all companies stop to exist | Feb 28 11:38 |
| schestowitz | sooner or later | Feb 28 11:38 |
| schestowitz | question is, when (and what replaces them) | Feb 28 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Novell used to be a giant | Feb 28 11:38 |
| Ariadne | i would wait about a decade for microsoft's linux offerings to flounder | Feb 28 11:39 |
| Ariadne | like, azure sphere, they totally fucked that play up | Feb 28 11:39 |
| MinceR | they'll cease existing | Feb 28 11:39 |
| psydroid | MinceR, recently we've been buying old laptops, wiping Backdoors and putting GNU/Linux on them. My nieces who are here for holidays have never seen Backdoors in use at this location, so they start from a clean slate and do just fine. | Feb 28 11:40 |
| MinceR | question is, will that happen after they've managed to kill the rest of us off | Feb 28 11:40 |
| MinceR | or because we kill them before they could | Feb 28 11:40 |
| MinceR | psydroid: nice | Feb 28 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: they lose money | Feb 28 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft insiders tell me | Feb 28 11:42 |
| Ariadne | yes, they are bleeding money | Feb 28 11:43 |
| schestowitz | they also shut down datacentres recently | Feb 28 11:43 |
| schestowitz | they fake size -- the usual | Feb 28 11:43 |
| schestowitz | like KIN, XBox... | Feb 28 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: see http://techrights.org/2020/02/03/azure-lies/ | Feb 28 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft “Azure” (or “Cloud”) Results Are Most Likely an Elaborate Fraud | Techrights | Feb 28 11:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/10/10/azure-is-losing-money/ | Feb 28 11:43 |
| schestowitz | this is very serious stuff | Feb 28 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Azure Apparently Losing Money and Microsoft Lies to Shareholders, in Effect Breaking the Law | Techrights | Feb 28 11:44 | |
| schestowitz | this is why we need FSF to endure longer, I think we're at t he cusp of something | Feb 28 11:44 |
| psydroid | it's users/developers themselves who keep Microsoft in power, but there is no need for that | Feb 28 11:44 |
| schestowitz | they try -- along with other -- to destabilise us all | Feb 28 11:44 |
| schestowitz | *others | Feb 28 11:44 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, the FSF is already useless | Feb 28 11:44 |
| schestowitz | not quite | Feb 28 11:45 |
| schestowitz | there's a conflict | Feb 28 11:45 |
| Ariadne | well, lets look at alpine | Feb 28 11:45 |
| Ariadne | everyone has tried to kill alpine | Feb 28 11:45 |
| Ariadne | yet it persists | Feb 28 11:45 |
| MinceR | they just stand by the sidelines watching GNU and Linux burn and grin and say "yay for systemd, which is free software!" | Feb 28 11:45 |
| schestowitz | maybe the traditionalists will come on top | Feb 28 11:45 |
| Ariadne | :) | Feb 28 11:45 |
| schestowitz | I like Apline | Feb 28 11:45 |
| Ariadne | RMS doesn't | Feb 28 11:45 |
| schestowitz | no issues at all since you last booted it | Feb 28 11:45 |
| MinceR | RMS was willing to say very little about it, which was that "it's free software" | Feb 28 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Mem: 32563436K used, 357520K free, 240K shrd, 2842564K buff, 6516K cached | Feb 28 11:46 |
| schestowitz | CPU: 54% usr 30% sys 0% nic 15% idle 0% io 0% irq 0% sirq | Feb 28 11:46 |
| MinceR | so no, RMS doesn't care about free software either | Feb 28 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Load average: 7.94 8.06 7.27 9/193 21911 | Feb 28 11:46 |
| MinceR | not anymore | Feb 28 11:46 |
| schestowitz | soon 500 days uptime | Feb 28 11:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: in what sense does he not? | Feb 28 11:46 |
| schestowitz | systemd? | Feb 28 11:46 |
| MinceR | yes, as i've said | Feb 28 11:46 |
| schestowitz | it's a loophole exploited | Feb 28 11:47 |
| MinceR | though from what i've seen on their irc channels, the rest of the FSF is even worse | Feb 28 11:47 |
| schestowitz | 1.2 million lines of code for one massive blog | Feb 28 11:47 |
| schestowitz | *blob | Feb 28 11:47 |
| schestowitz | discourages participation, understanding (studying) | Feb 28 11:47 |
| psydroid | systemd is Linux-only, right? or do they want to force it onto the Hurd too? | Feb 28 11:50 |
| MinceR | they do | Feb 28 11:50 |
| MinceR | or at least the hurd people apparently decided they wanted a huge single point of failure so they'd implement cgroups and the rest of that crap | Feb 28 11:51 |
| MinceR | systemd refuses to merge any patches that would make it compatible with anything other than Linux, but other kernels are welcome to adapt so they can run systemd | Feb 28 11:51 |
| MinceR | (the hurd thing is another way in which GNU is failing) | Feb 28 11:52 |
| schestowitz | yo, I herd you like kernels, so I put a kernel in your kernel | Feb 28 11:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 28 11:57 |
| schestowitz | so ti's slow like a dawg | Feb 28 11:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/17323479 | Feb 28 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Feb 28 12:26 | |
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| schestowitz | it said: "someone ought to ask #esr eric s raymond the difference between osis plan to cancel #osi founders himself and bruce-- and his own plan to get #stallman cancelled many years ago." | Feb 28 12:26 |
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| Ariadne | nobody should ask ESR anything | Feb 28 12:28 |
| Ariadne | pretend ESR does not exist | Feb 28 12:28 |
| Ariadne | when people say ESR in a sentence, say lalalalala | Feb 28 12:28 |
| Ariadne | he has completely fucking lost it at this point | Feb 28 12:28 |
| Ariadne | in ESR world, the coronavirus is the invention of the chinese government, which it plans to execute its own people as a bioweapon | Feb 28 12:29 |
| Ariadne | like, he posted that shit on his blog and everything | Feb 28 12:29 |
| Ariadne | what ESR needs is to visit a psych ward, asap | Feb 28 12:30 |
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| MinceR | dictatorships tend to value their own subjects even less than more free states :> | Feb 28 13:10 |
| MinceR | also, they could be lying about how many people were affected by the virus in red china :> | Feb 28 13:10 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 3 Founders Out in 5 Months http://techrights.org/2020/02/28/esr-rms-caricature/ #rms #esr #gnu #fsf #osi [https://pleroma.site/objects/1d48bb4c-104d-4b2c-addf-03bc7e23c521] | Feb 28 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: I saw that | Feb 28 13:11 |
| schestowitz | but I still want to see what got him banned | Feb 28 13:12 |
| schestowitz | it matters evens for precedent's sake | Feb 28 13:12 |
| Ariadne | no idea, I think he threatened somebody | Feb 28 13:12 |
| schestowitz | seeing the OSI's moral boundaries | Feb 28 13:12 |
| Ariadne | but I don't have time to dig for the mail | Feb 28 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Ariadne: he said he had offended someone | Feb 28 13:12 |
| Ariadne | well people do tend to be offended when threatened | Feb 28 13:13 |
| Ariadne | the thing is | Feb 28 13:13 |
| Ariadne | everyone knows ESR has like a gazillion guns right | Feb 28 13:13 |
| Ariadne | so basically anything he says is going to be perceived in that context | Feb 28 13:13 |
| schestowitz | you have firearms too | Feb 28 13:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m] does too | Feb 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | many Americans have them | Feb 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | unlike here | Feb 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | where shootings are rare, stabblings are what people need to watch out for | Feb 28 13:15 |
| schestowitz | holster-level nuclear proliferation | Feb 28 13:16 |
| MinceR | family atomics? | Feb 28 13:16 |
| schestowitz | feeling safe and empowered because you can kill other people | Feb 28 13:16 |
| schestowitz | the deterrence mentality when "everyone has em" | Feb 28 13:17 |
| MinceR | it's more of the other way around | Feb 28 13:17 |
| MinceR | feeling unsafe and weak because you can't kill other people, and some of them can kill you | Feb 28 13:17 |
| schestowitz | if all people went around with medical kits, that would be better | Feb 28 13:17 |
| schestowitz | "need a medic!" | Feb 28 13:18 |
| MinceR | medical kits aren't going to protect you from knives or bullets | Feb 28 13:18 |
| schestowitz | no, I was kidding about everyone having kits instead of guns | Feb 28 13:18 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 28 13:19 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://people.howstuffworks.com/10-questions-in-gun-control-debate7.htm There is horrible numbers. | Feb 28 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-people.howstuffworks.com | 4: How Often Are People Killed by Their Own Guns? - 10 Big Questions in the U.S. Gun Control Debate | HowStuffWorks | Feb 28 14:04 | |
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| oiaohm | Reality is owning a gun increases you odds of death. | Feb 28 14:04 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: anyone who has read over the numbers normally is not going to choose a gun. | Feb 28 14:06 |
| MinceR | yes, there are a lot of incompetent people owning guns in the usa | Feb 28 14:06 |
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| MinceR | doesn't mean anyone else who obtains a gun also has to be an incompetent idiot | Feb 28 14:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really being skilled does not change the basic problems with guns. | Feb 28 14:07 |
| MinceR | not a question of skill | Feb 28 14:07 |
| MinceR | a question of whether you care | Feb 28 14:07 |
| MinceR | and follow the correct procedures | Feb 28 14:08 |
| oiaohm | guns are not the best weapon choice for confined space. | Feb 28 14:08 |
| MinceR | not all attacks happen in confined spaces | Feb 28 14:08 |
| MinceR | but perhaps you can convince the mugger to move into a small room so you can kill him with a katana in self defense. | Feb 28 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Confined space does not require a small room. | Feb 28 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Most muggers are stupid and get way too close. | Feb 28 14:11 |
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| oiaohm | If they don't get way to close the mugger is normally more use to what they are doing and before you could draw a hidden weapon you are dead. | Feb 28 14:12 |
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| oiaohm | Sometimes the best answer is insurance. | Feb 28 14:13 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defensive-gun-use-myth/ there are a lot of different studies on the number. The best way to deal with a mugger is have police on speed dial in most cases. | Feb 28 14:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thetrace.org | New Study Finds No Advantages to Defensive Gun Use | Feb 28 14:19 | |
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| MinceR | they have teleportation devices now? | Feb 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the logic of a gun for self defense is not reflected in the numbers in most cases people raise. Lot of people over look how much of a different having the police on speed dial is. | Feb 28 14:21 |
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| MinceR | and if you end up with a mugger who isn't stupid enough, you're screwed | Feb 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Dialing the police against a mugger who is not stupid will most likely see mugger run and you get away unharmed where drawing a gun or any other weapon would have got you hurt. | Feb 28 14:22 |
| oiaohm | That the problem. | Feb 28 14:23 |
| MinceR | or they'll mug you where the police can't go quickly | Feb 28 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Smart ones know that once the police line is open they are being recorded so anything they say could screw them over. | Feb 28 14:23 |
| oiaohm | The recording is the weapon. | Feb 28 14:24 |
| oiaohm | So dial police should be ahead of going for any other weapon if possible. | Feb 28 14:24 |
| MinceR | they'll write "He Recorded It" on your tombstone, then | Feb 28 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | What will be written on the mugger's tombstone? | Feb 28 14:25 |
| oiaohm | The studies put high rate of death on drawing gun or any other weapon. | Feb 28 14:25 |
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| oiaohm | The safest option is dial police. | Feb 28 14:25 |
| MinceR | then the safest would be to always keep the gun in hand | Feb 28 14:26 |
| MinceR | that way you won't have to draw it | Feb 28 14:26 |
| oiaohm | If you are going to use a weapon dial police and leave the line open can save you from a he say she say arguement. | Feb 28 14:26 |
| MinceR | or use a powersuit with a shoulder-mounted gun (or more) | Feb 28 14:26 |
| oiaohm | No having weapon drawn gives attacker reason to shot first ask questions latter. | Feb 28 14:27 |
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| MinceR | some attackers already have reasons to do so | Feb 28 14:28 |
| oiaohm | If they are going to shot first and ask questions later you are not going to get to use the weapons to have anyhow. | Feb 28 14:28 |
| oiaohm | If they are anywhere near good. | Feb 28 14:28 |
| MinceR | then you're best off being the murderer | Feb 28 14:29 |
| MinceR | then you're the one who gets to survive | Feb 28 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Remember firearm is no good for self defence. Now revenge that is another matter. | Feb 28 14:30 |
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| MinceR | is that what the state told you when they took away your guns? | Feb 28 14:31 |
| MinceR | interestingly, they do use guns for self defense | Feb 28 14:31 |
| oiaohm | So being a murderer does not mean the person you murder also does not happen to be friends with someone who will revenge murder. | Feb 28 14:31 |
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| MinceR | you'd think if weapons were so useless, then the australian military would have been disbanded or something | Feb 28 14:31 |
| MinceR | or equipped with phones with the police on speed dial | Feb 28 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Please note the police and mil are not using self defense. They are using a defense of other usage. | Feb 28 14:32 |
| oiaohm | This is why they also care a lot about body armor. | Feb 28 14:32 |
| oiaohm | They know they are screwing their percentage of living so need something to counter it. | Feb 28 14:33 |
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| MinceR | so "Ministry of Defense" is a lie? | Feb 28 14:35 |
| MinceR | or "Department of Defense" | Feb 28 14:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so really the argument that the police and mil usage guns is self defense is wrong. | Feb 28 14:35 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know, the state is special and magical | Feb 28 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Defense has more than 1 meaning. | Feb 28 14:35 |
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| MinceR | so just give up all your rights so the state can own you | Feb 28 14:36 |
| MinceR | it's good for you! | Feb 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | You look at most police shootings. You will see 1 police/person being attacked and a different police officer takes the shot. | Feb 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Same with military usage. | Feb 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | The person under fire is attempting to move to cover the person not under fire takes the shot. | Feb 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | This is defense of other usage. | Feb 28 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Funny right the police and mil usage is 99.9 percent nothing todo with self defense and if a gun works in self defense for police/mil offices its dumb luck. | Feb 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please not it was USA collected numbers that first showed this. Every where the studies have been done the same things have turned up. | Feb 28 14:39 |
| MinceR | now if you had a gun, you could defend the police officer you call to help you out | Feb 28 14:39 |
| oiaohm | That would be correct usage of gun. But most people attempt to use gun for self defence ie themselves that does not work. | Feb 28 14:39 |
| MinceR | at least it gives evil people something to worry about | Feb 28 14:40 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics There is a horrible stat. Over 50 percent of those that die from a firearm shot themselves. | Feb 28 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bradyunited.org | Key Statistics | Feb 28 14:43 | |
| oiaohm | That is shot themselves intentionally. | Feb 28 14:44 |
| MinceR | bad news for the armed forces again | Feb 28 14:44 |
| MinceR | i.e. the state's sacred monopoly on violence | Feb 28 14:44 |
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| oiaohm | Armed forces do a lot to attempt to detect people who are going to suicide. | Feb 28 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Same with police. | Feb 28 14:45 |
| MinceR | and for them it works because the state is magic | Feb 28 14:45 |
| oiaohm | They do manage with that stuff to move the number from 50-60 percent in general populations to about 30 percent. | Feb 28 14:45 |
| MinceR | maybe we should form a state that consists of armed forces only so this magic can be extended to all citizens | Feb 28 14:45 |
| MinceR | it would be immoral not to do so | Feb 28 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Some countries do. | Feb 28 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Where you want a firearm you have to join the armed forces and be monitored for issues. | Feb 28 14:46 |
| MinceR | that's not what i meant | Feb 28 14:46 |
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| MinceR | what i meant was to have all citizens be part of the armed forces | Feb 28 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Some of those countries at the end of highschool have mandoary armed forces service for a year to teach you how to handle weapons and the like correctly. | Feb 28 14:47 |
| oiaohm | With the correct tattical logic. | Feb 28 14:48 |
| oiaohm | So those countries everyone is part of the armed forces. | Feb 28 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Yes they do show lower issues from having weapons in home. | Feb 28 14:48 |
| oiaohm | That all classes of weapons. | Feb 28 14:48 |
| MinceR | nice | Feb 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | It even reduces the people being careless with knifes and the like in kitchen. | Feb 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically the numbers say what works. | Feb 28 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Suggesting mandatory mil service normally does not go over well. | Feb 28 14:50 |
| oiaohm | that mandatory mil service is a year to drill into you correct weapon handling. | Feb 28 14:50 |
| oiaohm | and usage. | Feb 28 14:51 |
| MinceR | it doesn't have to be service | Feb 28 14:51 |
| MinceR | and indeed, whom would the armed forces serve if every citizen is a member thereof | Feb 28 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Kind of does there training process that intentionally creates lack of sleep and other things make sure you have correct actions when you are under the weather by sleep or other means. | Feb 28 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically normal school classes and the like have been shown not to cut it for weapon usage training. | Feb 28 14:53 |
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| oiaohm | Remember the armed forces is to protect the country as well as it people. Just because you are in the armed forces does not mean you are alway in a fit state to defend self. | Feb 28 14:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember armed forces have to sleep. So you could say stupidly that they are serving sleeping citizens. | Feb 28 14:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 28 14:55 |
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| oiaohm | The numbers tell a very interesting story. | Feb 28 14:57 |
| MinceR | i only believe the statistics i myself falsified. | Feb 28 14:58 |
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| oiaohm | Common arguments for guns don't stack up. But their are valid classes of arguements that could be used but they would also mean people with gun require more training than most people want todo. | Feb 28 14:58 |
| MinceR | i thought the latter was evident | Feb 28 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Really here in Australia it possible to own what ever weapon you want as long as you under go the correct training. | Feb 28 14:59 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | <oiaohm "Like was the capture of the term"> Yes, which makes Skynet a closed loop paradox. It doesn't exist in the 2020s without sending the T-800 back, but it doesn't exist in the 2020s before the closed loop because it takes people longee to create it without reverse engineering the Terminator CPU | Feb 28 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | gun crime in Aussia was notoriously high | Feb 28 15:02 |
| schestowitz | until people turned in the guns | Feb 28 15:02 |
| MinceR | now only criminals and the state practice gun crime? | Feb 28 15:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But then thanks to the events of T2, it doesn't exist anymore after the T-1000 and Cyberdyne are destroyed, in the Dark Fate timeline. | Feb 28 15:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the T3/Salvation timeline and the Genisys one, it exists, but the T2 events delay its development. | Feb 28 15:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The 1997 Judgment Day got pushed back to 2004, but Terminator development sped up past that point because humans had done more of the work to create the first models. | Feb 28 15:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Terninator suggests through Kyle Reese that the future that time travelers come back from is the one that will happen at that very moment if nothing changes. | Feb 28 15:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So Skynet wasn't very good at calculating what the outcome would be. It caused its own demise by trying to game the system. | Feb 28 15:07 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Once time travel is invented, the past and the future can manipulate each other and the past is no longer immutable, so timelines flow in both directions. Also, anyone who gets trapped in the past from a deleted timeline is marooned from a future that doesn't exist. | Feb 28 15:10 |
| MinceR | what a maroon | Feb 28 15:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The T-800 in Dark Fate realizes that Skynet is gone. Which makes me wonder again. Wouldn't it be programmed to do stuff to make sure Skynet happens again? | Feb 28 15:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <oiaohm "Dialing the police against a mug"> Most muggers don't want a murder charge over some crap in your pockets. Just cooperate with them. Been there. | Feb 28 15:12 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: that turns out to be the safest option on average if you are sure you will not be tempted todo something stupid. | Feb 28 15:15 |
| oiaohm | If you have the personality type to fight back/argue the safest option is dial police. | Feb 28 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Personality type is a factor. | Feb 28 15:16 |
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| MinceR | what if i don't only carry some crap in my pockets? | Feb 28 15:17 |
| MinceR | what if, for example, i carry private keys or a password database? | Feb 28 15:17 |
| oiaohm | That reminds me of the recommendation for those who carry lots of coins. They ask for the money simple give it to them with speed. | Feb 28 15:18 |
| MinceR | yeah, keep the coins in a sack and smack them with it | Feb 28 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Its a case they asked for it and you obeyed its their problem for not thinking the result though. | Feb 28 15:19 |
| oiaohm | With private keys and password databases if the criminal are interested in that you are most likely in way worse trouble. | Feb 28 15:21 |
| MinceR | "sorry i don't have any money, just a really expensive meteor hammer" | Feb 28 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Of course some people stupidly have private keys and password database in expensive phone criminal could see as cash. | Feb 28 15:24 |
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| oiaohm | That meteor hammer one reminds me of a criminal that died because he stole from a person a uranium gold statue you would have though lead lined brief case was kind of a hint not to put the statue on the table where you are eating and living. | Feb 28 15:27 |
| MinceR | nice | Feb 28 15:40 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ER3vSSfX0AY3v0f?format=jpg&name=orig | Feb 28 15:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, don't use your smartphone in a bad neighborhood. | Feb 28 16:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Criminals are stupid and they'll mug you on the chance it's an iPhone. | Feb 28 16:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I laughed at the Apple watch. | Feb 28 16:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a really good way to tell potential muggers that there's at least a couple grand worth of Apple stuff on you, and probably cash. | Feb 28 16:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't think they pay attention to these things, but they do. | Feb 28 16:08 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yup | Feb 28 16:42 |
| schestowitz | I don't carry a wallet | Feb 28 16:42 |
| schestowitz | or gadgets | Feb 28 16:42 |
| schestowitz | but some say it's not safe, either | Feb 28 16:43 |
| schestowitz | there's nothing valuable for me to give to satisfy a mugger | Feb 28 16:43 |
| schestowitz | so they can get angry and more aggressive | Feb 28 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Rob Weir from IBM wrote about it after he had been mugged in Switzerland | Feb 28 16:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Okay, so Brave Adblock is incredibly fast, but it misses some things. | Feb 28 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems to take care of about 90-95% of the problem of ads and trackers. | Feb 28 16:55 |
| MinceR | can you add lists to it? | Feb 28 16:55 |
| MinceR | from uBlock Origin or whatever | Feb 28 16:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Only from a pre-defined set of regional lists, or one filter at a time. | Feb 28 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So you still need ublock-origin. | Feb 28 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now, how much you need it is up for debate. | Feb 28 16:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd say if you want to trim things down and still catch 99% of the stuff, then uncheck ublock-filters, easylist, and easyprivacy, and check Adguard Trackers, Adguard Annoyances, Adguard Social, and Fanboy's Facebook list. | Feb 28 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And maybe Adblock warning removal. | Feb 28 16:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or Fanboy's annoyances and Ublock-Origin Annoyances together would probably be better than Adguard. | Feb 28 16:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems like most of what Brave-Adblock doesn't go after are in the "annoyance" category and an occasional tracker. | Feb 28 17:00 |
| MinceR | pft | Feb 28 17:02 |
| MinceR | so how much does brave help you if you're using uBlock Origin anyway? | Feb 28 17:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Brave Adblock filter is written in Rust and it's 100x faster than ublock-origin. | Feb 28 17:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So by staying out of its way and giving ubblock-origin just the responsibility to block a few aggravations and a tracker here and there, you theoretically speed up your ad blocking, overall. | Feb 28 17:06 |
| MinceR | and ads blocked by it don't get processed by ublock origin? | Feb 28 17:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 28 17:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, when I had Easylist loaded to see what would happen, it seems like they're cooperative to an extent. | Feb 28 17:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The ads that Brave goes after are stopped by the native adblock before the requests get sent to ublock. | Feb 28 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it seems the native one is the priority here. | Feb 28 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you don't mind the overhead of having some extra rules, ublock-origin can clean up the whitespace mess and I guess that's something too. | Feb 28 17:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looking at a Fox News article.... | Feb 28 17:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Other than some whitespace, the only thing the Brave adblock doesn't nail are Google's Funding Choices (in the annoyance lists) and a tracker. | Feb 28 17:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Brave stopped 24 requests and ublock-origin got 2. | Feb 28 17:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Seems the optimal thing here is to relegate ublock-origin to stopping nuisances and a little bit of tracking and let Brave do the heavy lifting. | Feb 28 17:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't stop you from using ublock-origin, or turning off Brave Shields and solely relying on ublock-origin. | Feb 28 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But the fact is, Brave Adblock is so much more efficient that it's the main selling point of the browser. | Feb 28 17:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So turning it off is possible, but why would you do it? | Feb 28 17:14 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 28 17:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems maybe the ublock filters should be left alone. | Feb 28 17:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm reading through it a bit. | Feb 28 17:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It dismantles things like fuckadblock.js by redirecting them to a different script. | Feb 28 17:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I see Fuck Adblock show up on a lot of sites. | Feb 28 17:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Including financial ones. | Feb 28 17:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Apparently, ublock filters has the rule to dismantle it. | Feb 28 17:20 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Fanboy Annoyances seems to be so much larger than Adguard Annoyances because Fanboy's Annoyances has Fanboy Social in it. | Feb 28 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Adguard split them between Annoyances and Social. | Feb 28 17:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So if you have Fanboy Annoyances, you don't need Fanboy Social. | Feb 28 17:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It won't hurt anything though. ublock-origin would parse it into the rules, realize that they were mainly duplicates, and exclude the redundancies. | Feb 28 17:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fanboy Annoyances also has a EU cookie notice list. | Feb 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But so does Brave. | Feb 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I can use Adguard Social and Annoyances instead of Fanboy Annoyances, and that drops the Cookie Notice rules that Brave already lets you turn on, and drops 5,000 rules. | Feb 28 17:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It seems Faux News had a video about SNL mocking Republican Congressman Crenshaw and him whining about it. | Feb 28 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump whines a lot about being mocked too. You're a public figure, someone will mock you. Being a whining douchebag about it on Twitter is only going to make people laugh at you even more. | Feb 28 17:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Plus, Crenshaw is all dressed up for National Talk Like a Pirate Day, so that's one item off the checklist. | Feb 28 17:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 28 17:30 |
| MinceR | GoldenDawnald can dish it out, but can't take it | Feb 28 17:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BAT seems to be having some trouble with market fluctuations. | Feb 28 17:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's been worth as much as 80 cents and as little as 20 cents per BAT in the past 2 years. | Feb 28 17:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's sitting at 21 cents right now. | Feb 28 17:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's because the stock market is melting down. | Feb 28 17:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Trump had this to say about the Coronavirus. | Feb 28 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear," Trump told attendees at an African American History Month reception in the White House Cabinet Room. The World Health Organization says the virus has "pandemic potential" and medical experts have warned it will spread in the US. | Feb 28 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The President added that "from our shores, you know, it could get worse before it gets better. Could maybe go away. We'll see what happens. Nobody really knows." | Feb 28 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | --- | Feb 28 17:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Right after he said that, the stock market lost another $500 billion dolllarts | Feb 28 17:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *dollars | Feb 28 17:44 |
| MinceR | Coronavirus in general? | Feb 28 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | yes, eventually after the plague hits everyone and those who die, die, it goes away and gets better | Feb 28 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | like a miracle | Feb 28 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's so miraculous the Pope himself had to be called in. | Feb 28 17:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 28 17:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: It's already out of control here and they're acting like it's not even here. | Feb 28 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably what caused most of the problem was Trump ignoring the CDC and sending people to evacuate Americans from Wuhan without any protective gear, and then ignoring the CDC and evacuating the Americans off the Diamond Princess cruise ship. | Feb 28 17:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now that so many people who were infected are in the US, it escapes somehow guaranteed. | Feb 28 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But he'll keep denying it as more and more people get sick, as something that will just miraculously go away one day. | Feb 28 17:47 |
| MinceR | does the extinction of the human species count as a "miracle"? | Feb 28 17:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | California claims it is "monitoring" 8,500 people and New York says 700. Like that's even possible. | Feb 28 17:48 |
| MinceR | surveillance :> | Feb 28 17:48 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/654403.jpg | Feb 28 17:56 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: "We're watching them cough and sneeze on people. In a week we expect to be monitoring 50,000. Carry on!" | Feb 28 18:01 |
| MinceR | moar liek "Carrion!" | Feb 28 18:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "What are you doing about it?" Government: "We're watching them from our Secure Undisclosed Location. Whoever survives will be further governed!" | Feb 28 18:03 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 28 18:03 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Apparently, it's 10 times more likely to kill people over 60. See, Trump did save Social Security. | Feb 28 18:06 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 28 18:08 |
| MinceR | did Agent Orange hire a biological weapons law in red china to save Social Security in the USA, then? | Feb 28 18:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I actually did laugh and agree with Trump on something. I had the radio on NPR and he quoted Tom Steyer and said "Christ, what an idiot!". | Feb 28 18:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Steyer, who has no chance of picking up the Democratic nomination, rose to third place in SC, largely on promising black people "reparations" for slavery, which ended in 1865. | Feb 28 18:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I hate the south. | Feb 28 18:13 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I think we should march down there and burn it again. Bunch of freeloaders on welfare who vote for Donald Trump is all it is. | Feb 28 18:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're too stupid to realize they'd be the primary beneficiaries of the programs Sanders proposes and that none of them are billionaires that would pay tax. | Feb 28 18:14 |
| MinceR | most people are too stupid | Feb 28 18:14 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/653673.jpg | Feb 28 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | > Go to OSI lists page. lists.opensource.org | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > Go to archives -> license-review, gzip'd text. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > Download Feb 2020. You'll find one email from ESR. You'll also find C Lemmer Webber is active-- he's on both the Guix anti-RMS petitiion and the older LibrePlanet safe RMS petition-- the latter hosted on Eric Shultz website, wwahammy.com who I believed signed the LibrePlanet safe petition also. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > Eric Shultz is also active on the OSI list. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > Now go back and click on the license-discuss archive. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > Get the gzip'd text. You'll find phrases "5 and 6" as well as "horse you rode in on." | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > I think this is what you're looking for. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > You'll find an exchange between none other than Shultz, the Stallman LibrePlanet petition signer and host, and ESR. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | > This could be off the right trail, but gosh, it sure doesn't appear to be. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I know it's a big favour to ask, but with all the context there I think it's hard to digest fully. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | But I think it's worth laying out in full, with or without comments, just so that readers understand what happened. | Feb 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Thoughts? | Feb 28 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi on Facebook told me that they would look into the Brave Adblock code. | Feb 28 18:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I pointed them to it. It's open source. | Feb 28 18:36 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-2Scfj4FZk | Feb 28 23:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Verge's $2000 PC Build Reaction Supercut - YouTube | Feb 28 23:17 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: A combo | Feb 28 23:24 |
| XRevan86 | so many people butthurting at how bad the video is at once | Feb 28 23:24 |
| MinceR | probably because some unlucky noob might end up following that guide and waste $2000 worth of PC parts :> | Feb 28 23:25 |
| XRevan86 | 1. get a themopaste "applicator"; 2. screwdriver? yea, I guess, whatever | Feb 28 23:25 |
| XRevan86 | > it has built-in wi-fi and bluetooth | Feb 28 23:26 |
| XRevan86 | But… why? | Feb 28 23:26 |
| MinceR | because if he had to install some peripheral to do those, you know he'd fuck that up too | Feb 28 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: touche | Feb 28 23:27 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I honestly didn't think it's hard | Feb 28 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | I've built working PCs just by guessing | Feb 28 23:30 |
| XRevan86 | But I also have never seen an NVMe in my life | Feb 28 23:32 |
| MinceR | there's one in one of my laptops | Feb 28 23:32 |
| MinceR | but i never opened up that case | Feb 28 23:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: After seeing the fan I'm convinced no one's that stupid, it must be intentional. | Feb 28 23:34 |
| XRevan86 | "CPU applicator" – "you don't need that" | Feb 28 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | he needs that | Feb 28 23:37 |
| XRevan86 | oh, even he doesn't use it | Feb 28 23:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Okay, that's absolutely disgusting. | Feb 28 23:42 |
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| XRevan86 | > Tells you a lot about the credibility of these "tech reporters", which in case you didn't already know they're run by Vox (which should be warning enough already). | Feb 28 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Do you know who are those? | Feb 28 23:46 |
| MinceR | not really | Feb 28 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | * they | Feb 28 23:46 |
| MinceR | ad fontes media thinks they're not too bad, but that's not the tech part >> https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ | Feb 28 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.adfontesmedia.com | Interactive Media Bias Chart - Ad Fontes Media | Feb 28 23:48 | |
| MinceR | index.hu is pretty atrocious when it comes to IT as well... | Feb 28 23:48 |
| MinceR | i stopped opening their articles about mobile device | Feb 28 23:48 |
| MinceR | s | Feb 28 23:48 |
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| XRevan86 | I cannot remove the image of that thermopaste from my mind. | Feb 28 23:50 |
| MinceR | :) | Feb 28 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | that was traumatising | Feb 28 23:50 |
| XRevan86 | "thermopaste" – this is such a calque from Russian it can probably be used as a detector %). | Feb 28 23:53 |
| XRevan86 | But possibly some languages too. | Feb 28 23:54 |
| XRevan86 | * some other | Feb 28 23:54 |
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