●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, February 28, 2021 ●● ● Feb 28 [00:00] schestowitz__ it's old news [00:00] schestowitz__ those are useless [00:00] schestowitz__ the media that boosted this looks like a bunch of liars now [00:01] schestowitz__ and some countries like australia misused the data collected with these [00:01] schestowitz__ another reason to "not trust your government" [00:01] schestowitz__ or the 'linux' foundation [00:01] schestowitz__ July techrights.org/2020/07/21/stalin-dream/ [00:16] DaemonFC[m] "Linux project".... [00:16] DaemonFC[m] Open source (spyware). [00:16] DaemonFC[m] Fuck me on ShitHub! [00:17] DaemonFC[m] What's been going on at ShitHub should scare the hell out of anyone whose project could even be accused of violating the DMCA. And what couldn't, really? [00:18] DaemonFC[m] VLC violates the DMCA. Youtube (Google) can argue the same as they did when they got youtube-dl taken down. [00:19] DaemonFC[m] You drop a youtube link on it and it plays without spam and tracking and tons of Javascript code. [00:20] CrystalMath youtube-dl is back [00:23] techrights-bot Notes on Addressing Supply Chain Vulnerabilities https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2021/02/27/notes-on-addressing-supply-chain-vulnerabilities/ you put #proprietarySoftware #DRM blobs in #firefox so your supply chain is dodgy [00:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.mozilla.org | Notes on Addressing Supply Chain Vulnerabilities - The Mozilla Blog [00:25] techrights-bot Red Hat returns with another peace offering http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148134#comment-28444 now what it seems: http://techrights.org/2021/02/25/rhel-with-new-terms-and-conditions/ [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Extending no-cost Red Hat Enterprise Linux to open source organizations | Tux Machines [00:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and Qt Dont Understand Free Software and They Now Impose Terms and Conditions on Who Qualifies for Use of Free Software Free of Charge | Techrights [00:34] MinceR 28 012021 < CrystalMath> youtube-dl is back [00:34] MinceR have they moved off shithub or have they dropped functionality? [00:35] techrights-bot " #DocKnot is my software documentation and release management tool. This release adds support for a global user configuration file separate from the metadata for any given project and adds support for signing generated distribution tarballs with GnuPG." https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2021-02/001.html [00:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eyrie.org | Eagle's Path: DocKnot 4.01 (2021-02-27) [00:35] CrystalMath MinceR: neither, the EFF contested the DMCA [00:36] MinceR ah, so they're waiting to be blocked again [00:36] techrights-bot #Kraft Version 0.96 is out https://tagfrei.wordpress.com/2021/02/27/kraft-version-0-96/ #suse #gnu #linux [00:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tagfrei.wordpress.com | Kraft Version 0.96 | Mach den Bro-Tag frei(er) mit freier Software [00:37] schestowitz__ MinceR: Microsoft PR stunt [00:37] schestowitz__ because many left after that [00:37] schestowitz__ and still do [00:37] schestowitz__ rocky linux is one [00:38] MinceR makes it even more baffling that youtube-dl is still there [00:38] schestowitz__ I tried convincing curl, to no avail so far, but the pressure grew [00:38] schestowitz__ MinceR: maybe Microsoft pays them [00:38] MinceR :( [00:38] schestowitz__ for pr purpuses [00:38] schestowitz__ they said they'd allocate funds [00:38] schestowitz__ only because of the PR damage [00:39] schestowitz__ they said they "support developers" [00:39] schestowitz__ or some lie like that [00:39] schestowitz__ they support their own image [00:39] schestowitz__ that's just what they support [00:40] techrights-bot #VoidLinux Has Been Working To Deliver Great POWER Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148224 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Void Linux Has Been Working To Deliver Great POWER Support | Tux Machines [00:42] techrights-bot Packaging #ProprietarySoftware blbgs for #ubuntu https://popey.com/blog/2021/02/snapcraft-clinic-successes/ [00:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popey.com | Snapcraft Clinic Successes - Alan Pope's blog [00:44] techrights-bot #gnome #gnu #linux #freesw #GTG : A new data format has landed in the upcoming GTG 0.5 https://fortintam.com/blog/gtg-data-format-v2-merged/ [00:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fortintam.com | A new data format has landed in the upcoming GTG 0.5 The Open Sourcerer [00:50] techrights-bot #gemini clients/browsers have support for external (www) browsers, but not for handling something like external media players for media files, which would be a nice feature outside the spec. Not 'extending' the standards. [00:51] techrights-bot Videos: Tuxedo Laptop, "Most Important Linux Programs On My System", and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148225 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos: Tuxedo Laptop, "Most Important Linux Programs On My System", and More | Tux Machines ● Feb 28 [01:02] vmg3 DaemonFC[m], interesting thanks. Australia has quite a story about our CovidSafe app 80 million down the shitter with a Qannon developer and it still don't work :) [01:02] DaemonFC[m] LOL [01:02] MinceR :) [01:02] vmg3 schestowitz__, cool i'm a cinnamon on my main with manjero on pi's [01:04] DaemonFC[m] "At the same time, a COVID-19 positive protester who attended the Melbourne Black Lives Matter rally on 6 June 2020 was criticised in the media for having not downloaded the app. Despite the identification of at least two further cases in attendance, to date no transmission has been found to originate from the protests." [01:04] vmg3 yeah pisses me off [01:04] DaemonFC[m] So we'll shame you for not downloading spyware......even though we can't prove any actual transmission happened there, and would not have known about it had any occurred because it was asymptomatic. [01:04] DaemonFC[m] :) [01:04] vmg3 throw money around [01:04] DaemonFC[m] Makes perfect sense. [01:05] DaemonFC[m] Reminds me of my mom. No criticism of the church people packing in with no masks on and causing an outbreak that they admit happened weeks later. [01:05] DaemonFC[m] But all of a sudden "Those BLM protests are going to have COVID everywhere!". [01:05] vmg3 don't get me going :) [01:06] MinceR maybe she believes miklos kasler [01:06] DaemonFC[m] Who the fuck is that? [01:06] vmg3 rwnj [01:06] MinceR alleged oncologist(!) who is the "minister of human resources" in this shithole country who said you won't get sick if you obey the ten commandments [01:07] DaemonFC[m] HAHAHAHAAAA!!!! [01:07] MinceR they'll give any retarded asshole a doctorate in this shithole [01:07] vmg3 sounds like craig kelly [01:07] DaemonFC[m] I broke half of them at least and I'm gay. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] I made it long enough to get the vaccine instead of the disease. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] And all those church people mom is friends with did not. [01:07] vmg3 you a front line worker? [01:08] DaemonFC[m] Nope. [01:08] vmg3 oh ok [01:08] DaemonFC[m] Underlying condition, biznatches. :P [01:08] DaemonFC[m] I just barely qualify as obese, and lots of that is because of the weight I gained during lockdown. [01:08] DaemonFC[m] The BMI is horribly flawed, but who am I to argue? [01:08] DaemonFC[m] Gets me in for the shot. [01:09] vmg3 yeah I just did 45 min on my bike my tits are getting to big [01:09] MinceR lol [01:11] vmg3 the older I get the harder I try [01:12] vmg3 Paul Kelly he's our CMO [01:12] vmg3 Craig is an MP [01:14] MinceR kasler is so incompetent his own government took most of his responsibilities away from him already [01:14] MinceR they don't dare replace him while the plague is ongoing [01:14] vmg3 By design [01:15] MinceR but hey, the university of szeged (under stalinist rule) thought he'd be good enough to be an MD [01:15] vmg3 Back room voices need people they can manipulate easily [01:15] MinceR now he's busy trying to find the bones of king matthias so he can put him together again (what the fuck for, nobody knows) [01:16] vmg3 sounds like a promotion is in orde [01:16] vmg3 s/order/orde [01:16] MinceR and i'll probably be watching millions of drooling, toxic idiots saying "yes, this is exactly what we want four more years of please!" next year [01:17] MinceR can we have our gamma ray burst please? [01:17] vmg3 at least you don't have murdoch running the show [01:21] MinceR we have orban and putin running the show [01:21] vmg3 I'm envious [01:21] MinceR don't be [01:22] vmg3 yeah grass is always greener [01:22] vmg3 we are going backwards [01:23] vmg3 we are americas lapdag [01:24] MinceR at least uhmerica had enough checks and balances to not collapse from 4 years of twitler [01:24] MinceR like hungary did from 4 years of orban [01:24] vmg3 debatable at this stage even after the orange clown [01:26] vmg3 our ex PM tony abbott likes him(orban) [01:27] MinceR fascists like each other, film at 11 [01:27] vmg3 true [01:28] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:28] vmg3 I'm a bit envious of the EU with their privacy laws and watching Brexit makes me smile [01:29] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [01:30] MinceR i wonder if the EU still enforces any of its laws [01:30] MinceR on the EU level, that is [01:30] vmg3 Most of them have an american base [01:31] vmg3 say one thing and do another [01:31] MinceR :> [01:34] MinceR they certainly haven't done anything about hungary becoming a dictatorship and abolishing rule of law [01:35] vmg3 no giant oil reserves [01:35] vmg3 syria is important [01:36] vmg3 god i'm cynical [01:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.88 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.05 swarm size (avg): 117.90 [01:37] vmg3 trouble is you try to discuss these things in public and you're a conspiracy guy [01:37] vmg3 or treasonous [01:38] vmg3 even my family are a disappointment [01:38] vmg3 racist sexist homophobic [01:54] vmg3 another problem I've found with these gemini browsers is if the link is say [45] I always get taken to [4] will check it out further later :| things to do [01:56] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:57] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [01:59] DaemonFC[m] Sure they have. They sat there and watched it happen in exchange for technically having more territory in the EU. [01:59] DaemonFC[m] Fauci has been floating around since the US government bungled HIV. ● Feb 28 [02:00] DaemonFC[m] They brought him back for an encore. [02:00] DaemonFC[m] He's been pretty good at not pissing off the current president so he's been around a long time,. [02:25] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [02:30] vmg3 schestowitz__, only links 1-9 are available in gemini unless there is a highlight(lynx like) feature I'm missing [02:31] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-270221.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-270221.txt Read the log now... [02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: Saturday, February 27, 2021 [02:31] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's #techrights IRC logs ready. 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[02:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Saturday, February 27, 2021 [02:32] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-02-27.txt [02:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.88 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 7.05 swarm size (avg): 117.72 [02:53] *kupi has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) ● Feb 28 [03:01] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats TotalIn: 8.1 MB TotalOut: 2.3 MB [03:01] techrights-ipfs New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID: [03:01] techrights-ipfs QmXwactwdWFj2TLvAXdStVi238in5okXcVFgsCkGsqexMZ [03:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 21.46 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 45.23 swarm size (avg): 117.79 [03:38] vmg3 schestowitz__, my workaround is a gui browser https://gmi.skyjake.fi/lagrange/ a bit scary building for the not so technical [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gmi.skyjake.fi | Lagrange [03:49] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [03:54] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [03:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [03:55] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [03:56] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Feb 28 [04:09] vmg3 Freedom and liberty? Watched the Silk Road a couple of days ago and at the end Ulbricht said it's all well and good but you don't know what people are going to do with it. this ties into the canta-series I just saw and wanted to play devils advocate. Thailand has a museum about corruption, yeah its ironic but what they say there is true too. there will always be corruption, nepotism favours for mates or donors. It's all very tricky. Depends what [04:09] vmg3 side you're on I guess. [04:09] MinceR no, not always [04:09] MinceR once we manage to kill ourselves off, there will be no more corruption by humans [04:09] vmg3 how [04:09] vmg3 lol [04:10] vmg3 the perfect planet [04:10] vmg3 just a few will go to mars [04:11] vmg3 like roy said how many billions does a person need [04:13] vmg3 Ross I want my coins back [04:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.05 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.05 swarm size (avg): 118.02 [04:48] *livestradamus has quit (Quit: I'm out.) [04:48] *livestradamus (~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus) has joined #techrights ● Feb 28 [05:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.85 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 8.30 swarm size (avg): 118.26 ● Feb 28 [06:13] habaner0 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-26/google-judge-disturbed-that-even-incognito-users-are-tracked [06:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Judge Disturbed That Incognito Users Are Tracked - Bloomberg [06:17] vmg3 MinceR, I'm not to bright when it comes to the bleeding obvious, also happy to learn I'm not the only person without a mobile phone. [06:32] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [06:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 22.66 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 5.98 swarm size (avg): 118.51 ● Feb 28 [07:09] schestowitz__ habaner0: what is a "Google Judge"? :-) [07:09] schestowitz__ They mean Judge [07:09] schestowitz__ and "by Google" [07:10] schestowitz__ but yes, Google falsely advertises options for 'privacy' [07:10] schestowitz__ so does mozilla [07:10] schestowitz__ all those "incognito" modes [07:10] schestowitz__ and "turn off location" [07:10] schestowitz__ an option which they disregard, it's there just to give you an illusion of control [07:11] schestowitz__ vmg3: you can enter numbers or use TAB [07:11] vmg3 sweet [07:13] *vmg3 facepalm [07:13] schestowitz__ [01:02] DaemonFC[m], interesting thanks. Australia has quite a story about our CovidSafe app 80 million down the shitter with a Qannon developer and it still don't work :) [07:13] schestowitz__ it does work [07:13] vmg3 yep [07:13] schestowitz__ but its goal isn't to tackle covid [07:13] schestowitz__ the spies in aussie put their hands on the data [07:13] schestowitz__ so it worked [07:14] schestowitz__ not they contact and trace people to their connections [07:14] vmg3 ? would have told me all [07:14] schestowitz__ which don't change over the years, not much.. [07:14] vmg3 i was reading the config [07:22] vmg3 bluetooth was never going to work [07:24] vmg3 Its hard not to be sceptical [07:24] schestowitz__ it's old tech [07:24] schestowitz__ 20 years or thereabouts, slightly more [07:24] vmg3 it's an insult to the tax payer [07:24] schestowitz__ they used it to make devices that need batteries instead of cords [07:25] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/11/01/11-million-people-after-patient-zero/ [07:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Contact-Tracing Ploy (Mission Creep/Mass Surveillance) is Only Effective When Dealing With Patient Zero and Few Others, Not Millions | Techrights [07:25] vmg3 now google in in cahoots with em [07:25] schestowitz__ https://www.itwire.com/open-sauce/fancy-some-contact-tracing-that-ll-be-$4-12-million-a-pop.html [07:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Fancy some contact tracing? That'll be $4.12 million a pop [07:26] vmg3 you're all over it [07:28] vmg3 yet the public seems oblivious to all of ti [07:31] vmg3 I was going to say the poor old aids guy, thats in there to [07:34] mjg59 Google's implementation literally doesn't associate identity with contacts [07:37] vmg3 I have trust issues [07:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.06 swarm size (avg): 118.55 [07:37] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [07:37] mjg59 The protocol description is public [07:37] mjg59 It's straightforward to verify whether the implementation matches that [07:38] mjg59 It's not a case where you have to trust [07:38] mjg59 You're entirely able to verify [07:38] vmg3 https://www.itnews.com.au/news/covidsafe-data-incidentally-collected-by-intelligence-agencies-in-first-six-months-558129#disqus_thread [07:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itnews.com.au | COVIDSafe data 'incidentally' collected by intelligence agencies in first six months - Security - iTnews [07:39] schestowitz__ [07:34] Google's implementation literally doesn't associate identity with contacts [07:39] schestowitz__ Google also said you can toggle location off [07:39] schestowitz__ and then it was taken to court because it had lied [07:39] mjg59 vmg3: Yeah, that's an implementation that doesn't use the Apple+Google protocol and, as a result, can be misused [07:40] schestowitz__ blah blah [07:40] vmg3 then they have metadata [07:40] mjg59 vmg3: What metadata? [07:40] schestowitz__ Google trusted, people betrayed [07:40] vmg3 everything [07:40] schestowitz__ vmg3: he's a Google employee [07:40] schestowitz__ until lately, he claims [07:40] mjg59 (I'm not) [07:40] schestowitz__ how much in salary did they pay yoi? [07:40] schestowitz__ $500k? [07:40] vmg3 all good I have nothing to hide [07:40] mjg59 Salary? Nope [07:40] vmg3 smoke a little weed [07:41] schestowitz__ $300? [07:41] mjg59 Total comp in that ballpark [07:41] schestowitz__ in total? [07:41] vmg3 I use to recommend google [07:41] mjg59 My job title was public, there's plenty of data about Google compensation per level [07:42] schestowitz__ "not everyone has the privilege of not profiting off espionage and surveillance capitalism..." LOL [07:42] mjg59 But seriously, I'm not saying trust Google here [07:42] schestowitz__ you do [07:42] schestowitz__ anyway, bbl [07:42] mjg59 I'm saying that it's straightforward to verify whether the implementation matches the spec [07:42] vmg3 I think size is the problem, once they get big in comes "intelligence" [07:43] mjg59 And also easy to determine whether any sort of metadata is being exfiltrated that would allow that to be bypassed [07:43] vmg3 now nobody pays any attention the broadsheets news [07:43] vmg3 dawned on them in the last 5 years [07:44] vmg3 patriot act [07:44] mjg59 https://github.com/google/exposure-notifications-internals is the source code for the exposure notifications framework [07:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - google/exposure-notifications-internals: This repositorycontains snippets of code that show how the Exposure Notifications API works inside the Google Play services layer. [07:45] mjg59 You can trivially pull apart the Play services APK and verify whether it corresponds to that [07:45] vmg3 server side is where the action is [07:45] mjg59 Server side isn't managed by Google [07:45] mjg59 The client that makes use of the framework gets to choose who it talks to [07:46] vmg3 obfuscation [07:46] mjg59 But you can also verify that the client doesn't get information that would identify a user [07:46] mjg59 Like [07:46] mjg59 This isn't a theoretical thing [07:46] mjg59 You can actually just go and pull the apps apart and verify this [07:46] vmg3 neither is solarwinds [07:46] mjg59 Reverse engineering Android apps is trivial [07:47] mjg59 You can root your phone and monitor everything that's communicated [07:47] vmg3 I don't have a phone [07:47] vmg3 just a tablet [07:47] mjg59 Sure, that works just as well [07:47] mjg59 You can even do it in an emulator [07:48] mjg59 I understand people not wanting to trust Google [07:48] mjg59 I don't understand people refusing to do any work to look for evidence of trust being violated [07:48] vmg3 patriot act! I cant say it enough times [07:48] mjg59 You can say it any number of times you want [07:48] mjg59 The code ends up on people's devices [07:49] mjg59 It can be examined [07:49] mjg59 People do this all the time [07:49] mjg59 And nobody's found a back door [07:49] vmg3 a $60k fine for getting caught is small change [07:50] vmg3 and yet fuzzybear can find there way around [07:50] vmg3 s/their/there [07:53] vmg3 there were so many people on twitter picking holes in covidsafe and the next day in all the news outlets they are all fixed [07:54] vmg3 zero development time [07:54] vmg3 live production [07:54] vmg3 gimmie a break [07:54] schestowitz__ datasafe [07:54] schestowitz__ all your data [07:55] schestowitz__ in Google's (and others') vault [07:55] schestowitz__ "confidential computing" [07:55] schestowitz__ how LF paints mass surveillance aS confidential [07:55] vmg3 lol yeah i can't see it [07:55] schestowitz__ they encrypt their STOLEN data [07:55] schestowitz__ otherwise the "RUSHANS" too might get their STOLEN data [07:55] vmg3 China [07:55] schestowitz__ Jim Zemlin: I hereby declare what was stolen to be "CONFIDENTIAL" [07:56] schestowitz__ clap clap to Facebook and Google [07:56] vmg3 how many times did M$ lie about solarwind [07:56] schestowitz__ renew your gold or platinum or whatever LF membership (bribe) next year [07:56] schestowitz__ vmg3: criminals lie [07:56] schestowitz__ it's the lesser crime [07:56] vmg3 exactly [07:57] schestowitz__ vmg3: Microsoft got completely end entirely pwned [07:57] vmg3 The end justifies the means [07:57] schestowitz__ all the way up to source level code [07:57] schestowitz__ so who knows what was done to their software [07:57] vmg3 pump in js blobs [07:57] schestowitz__ anyway, for me at least, these companies aren't an issue as long as I stay away from them and what they're infecting [07:58] vmg3 They only act stupid [07:58] schestowitz__ they just hire people and sellouts with "security" in their job title [07:58] schestowitz__ a-holes like Stamos [07:58] schestowitz__ who then pretend that they're some sort of gurus, while profiting from stealing people's data [07:58] vmg3 they wear no clothes [07:59] schestowitz__ they're white-collared crackers [07:59] schestowitz__ working for the "WELL-CONNECTED" crackers [07:59] vmg3 get ransomed by a 16 year old and its a state actor ● Feb 28 [08:00] mjg59 schestowitz__: You understand that it's actually extremely easy to figure out what a device you have control over is doing, right? [08:00] vmg3 snort [08:01] vmg3 even get teardropped via vpn [08:01] mjg59 It's all just software [08:01] schestowitz__ Such a weird new article from a "LINUX" site https://www.fosslinux.com/45397/opendns-vs-google-dns.htm [08:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | OpenDNS vs. Google DNS: everything you need to know | FOSS Linux [08:01] mjg59 We have plenty of tooling for dealing with this problem [08:01] vmg3 the people are the weakest link [08:01] mjg59 The people don't live in your hardware [08:02] mjg59 You continue to have the ability to determine what information leaves it, and where it goes [08:02] vmg3 no they look over your shoulder [08:02] vmg3 they drop a fancy stick in the carpark [08:03] mjg59 Once information leaves your device, yes, you're trusting that a third party has perfect security [08:03] mjg59 So it's fair to distrust that [08:03] schestowitz__ this discussion is a joke [08:03] vmg3 they have sonic mic's on windows that can read keystrokes [08:03] mjg59 But you *can* verify whether information leaves your device [08:03] schestowitz__ people don't choose what JS taken off them when they visit a web page [08:03] schestowitz__ mjg59: your arguments are worse than farcical [08:03] schestowitz__ it's like blaming people for living under where the bombs fall [08:04] mjg59 ? [08:04] mjg59 I'm not blaming anyone [08:04] vmg3 I think its to hear all sides [08:04] schestowitz__ people aren't in control of data theives [08:04] schestowitz__ thieves [08:04] vmg3 not that i'm going to agree [08:04] schestowitz__ it's an institutional problem [08:04] schestowitz__ some thieves get away with it [08:04] mjg59 I'm saying that if you believe that the Google/Apple contact tracing framework is leaking information that would allow identification of individuals, you can prove that easily [08:05] vmg3 easily [08:05] schestowitz__ it was about trust [08:05] schestowitz__ and why we cannot in general trust those companies [08:05] schestowitz__ as they kept lying and got caught many times before [08:05] schestowitz__ that's all there is to it [08:05] schestowitz__ and you enables that for years, for a salary... [08:05] schestowitz__ the media helps them also [08:05] schestowitz__ for money [08:06] schestowitz__ the whole "apple blah blah importance of privacy" [08:06] schestowitz__ while they give NSA access to their data [08:06] mjg59 Yes, I too am a member of a capitalist society [08:06] schestowitz__ too many corrupt people out there [08:06] vmg3 they even big note themselves that they see classified files etc [08:06] schestowitz__ and they need to be called out [08:06] schestowitz__ mjg59: surveillance capitalist [08:06] schestowitz__ i.e. people who profit from abusing people's human rights [08:06] vmg3 casino capitalism [08:06] schestowitz__ such as the right to dignity and privacy [08:07] schestowitz__ mjg59: don't give us the yuppie Nuremberg defence now [08:07] vmg3 we learn nothing from the past [08:07] mjg59 Oh, I'm fine with being considered complicit in anything I actually did [08:08] schestowitz__ a cog in a bad machine [08:08] vmg3 when your emails get scanned and then you get appropriate advertising [08:08] mjg59 And yet you perform labour for money [08:08] mjg59 Interesting [08:08] schestowitz__ (that's where the money is, sadly) [08:08] schestowitz__ you can work gardening [08:08] schestowitz__ and hurt nobody [08:09] schestowitz__ yuppie Nuremberg defence \] [08:09] schestowitz__ "I need $150k a year" [08:09] mjg59 What if I do gardening work for a Google executive [08:09] mjg59 Is that good or evil [08:09] schestowitz__ you would not be a GOogle employee [08:09] vmg3 I see how politics works here in australia and they have been infiltrated by the evangelicals [08:09] schestowitz__ you would likely be hired for a gardening job for an individual [08:09] mjg59 So what level of removal from Google is acceptable? [08:09] schestowitz__ and those too you can reject as clients is they do bad things [08:09] mjg59 Is it ok to be a Google contractor? [08:10] schestowitz__ it's OK to resign [08:10] vmg3 we all have to earn a crust [08:10] mjg59 Is it ok to sell computers to Google? [08:10] mjg59 Is it ok to write software that Google uses? [08:10] mjg59 What boundary do you actually set here? [08:10] schestowitz__ you don't control that [08:10] schestowitz__ you write free software [08:10] schestowitz__ Google can use that [08:10] schestowitz__ so can Raytheon [08:10] mjg59 If I'm a gardner I control whether or not I work for a Google exec [08:10] mjg59 Is it acceptable to do so? [08:11] schestowitz__ first go gardening [08:11] schestowitz__ then we'll talk [08:11] schestowitz__ you don't intend to do that [08:11] mjg59 Answer the fucking question Roy, it's not hard [08:11] schestowitz__ you always work for those dodgy companies [08:11] schestowitz__ you're after money [08:11] schestowitz__ "security" is a facade [08:11] schestowitz__ they pretend to be the opposite of what they are [08:11] schestowitz__ they blow off the cover off people [08:11] schestowitz__ grab their data [08:11] vmg3 education is the biggest flaw in this equation [08:11] mjg59 The problem is that you're going to end up defining a level of appropriate behaviour that you'd end up violating [08:12] mjg59 You hold others to standards you don't adhere to [08:12] schestowitz__ and they blow the media with PR fluff like http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148084#comment-28435 [08:12] mjg59 And the moment anyone starts challenging you on that you start deflecting and bringing up irrelevant issues [08:12] vmg3 no personal responsibility, ip's share [08:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google funds Linux kernel developers to work exclusively on security | Tux Machines [08:13] mjg59 Nothing I worked on at Google enabled surveillance of anyone [08:13] mjg59 In fact, it made it more difficult [08:13] vmg3 socialism for corporate monopolies [08:13] vmg3 when the going get tough [08:14] mjg59 schestowitz__: Do you assert that 100% of decisions made by your employer are ethically justifiable? [08:14] vmg3 yet we get scared and vote for more [08:15] mjg59 Or is this a "Google is worse, so we don't need to discuss that" sort of affair? [08:15] mjg59 Are you even willing to declare who you work for so other people can investigate what they do? [08:16] vmg3 they still do some good [08:16] schestowitz__ mostly NHS [08:17] schestowitz__ you never explains why you left Google or why they fired you [08:17] schestowitz__ I somehow doubt, given what you say, that ethics was the reason [08:18] vmg3 do no evil is a footnote [08:18] schestowitz__ Microsoft: computer on every desk [08:18] schestowitz__ Microsoft 2021: malware on every raspberry pi [08:18] vmg3 linkdin [08:19] schestowitz__ failure [08:19] schestowitz__ many layoffs [08:19] mjg59 schestowitz__: Who's your emplyoer? [08:19] schestowitz__ no idea why they paid to get access to that lousy data [08:19] mjg59 You keep mentioning you've only worked for one company for the past 12 years or whatever [08:19] schestowitz__ SIrius [08:19] schestowitz__ go check it [08:19] schestowitz__ mostly public sector [08:20] schestowitz__ I could probably be paid 10 times more in some "data theft" firm like GOogle [08:20] schestowitz__ which tried to hire me like 3 times over the years [08:21] mjg59 Oh, so you did work for the organisation that oversees the Metropolitan Police, an institutionally racist organisation? [08:21] mjg59 Can you justify that? [08:21] schestowitz__ lol [08:21] schestowitz__ yeah, now go ahead and say London Town Hall is the same as GOogle [08:21] mjg59 I'm not saying that [08:22] schestowitz__ we never worked for the Met [08:22] mjg59 You worked for the GLA, who oversees the Met [08:22] mjg59 And who allows them to continue being racist [08:22] schestowitz__ "let's doxx this guy for working on a site of the municipality" [08:22] vmg3 testing facial recognition could be any department [08:22] schestowitz__ mjg59: you work in the US [08:22] schestowitz__ which bombs people [08:22] schestowitz__ millions of people [08:22] schestowitz__ so there [08:22] schestowitz__ leave the US [08:23] schestowitz__ or else you pay taxes to bomb people [08:23] schestowitz__ that's your logic [08:23] vmg3 our local gov put all our licenses for the fed government [08:23] mjg59 You worked for GLA while Boris Johnson was mayor [08:23] mjg59 Who purchased illegal weapons to use against his population [08:24] schestowitz__ water canons [08:24] mjg59 Illegal ones, yes [08:24] schestowitz__ which I opposed [08:24] mjg59 Cool [08:24] schestowitz__ cannons [08:24] mjg59 Like I opposed many things Google did [08:24] mjg59 So what's the line you're drawing that differentiates these [08:24] schestowitz__ now you compare a water cannon to things like bombing campaigns [08:24] schestowitz__ and by indirect inferences [08:24] vmg3 the trouble with the capitalist system is the layer of corruption is huge [08:25] mjg59 I don't think you participated in anything immoral or inappropriate [08:25] schestowitz__ Johnson is now PM and now working at GLA [08:25] mjg59 But you continue insinuating that I did [08:25] mjg59 And you're not providing a meaningful way to distinguish between them [08:25] schestowitz__ the hacker community needs to fight the likes of Google [08:25] schestowitz__ not take salaries from it [08:25] mjg59 And again, you deflect [08:25] mjg59 Rather than addressing the issue [08:26] vmg3 howd that work out for the piratebay guys [08:26] vmg3 this has been a long time coming [08:26] mjg59 What if I say that the hacker community needs to fight the GLA, not take money from it? [08:27] schestowitz__ municipalities are hardly the big threat [08:27] schestowitz__ unless you are in the "anti-tax" "small government" camp [08:27] mjg59 The Met are a fucking big threat [08:27] schestowitz__ We don't do the Met [08:27] mjg59 The GLA does [08:27] schestowitz__ we guard GLA site from attacks and such [08:27] mjg59 Oh, so you do security for the organisation that oversees the racist police? [08:27] schestowitz__ a local government does many things [08:28] schestowitz__ and some are offloaded as contracts to private firms like g4s [08:28] mjg59 You see how easy this is? [08:28] schestowitz__ your layers of indirection here are astounding [08:28] mjg59 They're really not [08:28] mjg59 Anyway I'm going to bed [08:28] schestowitz__ that's like saying "I pay tax in the UK", hence I'm culpable for Diego Garcia fiasco [08:28] vmg3 goodnight mjg59 [08:29] vmg3 imperialism we are all part of the machine [08:29] schestowitz__ Mozilla too has surveillance people now [08:30] schestowitz__ but as a whole the company is less predatory than Google [08:30] vmg3 wonder how the tor camp feels about it [08:30] schestowitz__ they're mostly funded by it [08:30] schestowitz__ vmg3: Tor has some issues, too [08:30] vmg3 yeah [08:30] schestowitz__ I don't trust Tor enough to use it like I used to [08:30] schestowitz__ there are other ways [08:31] vmg3 even vpn's are getting harder to trust [08:31] vmg3 since covermyass [08:32] schestowitz__ oh yeah [08:32] schestowitz__ don't get me started on THAT snakeoil [08:32] schestowitz__ all the major ones log [08:32] schestowitz__ and given a court order they hand over the data [08:32] schestowitz__ which mostly beats the purpose of VPN [08:32] schestowitz__ waste of electricity [08:32] vmg3 i shudder to think to much about it [08:32] vmg3 better than my isp knowing what i'm up to [08:33] schestowitz__ instead of ISPs offering privacy... [08:33] schestowitz__ now they say. [08:33] schestowitz__ Pay the ISP [08:33] schestowitz__ then pay another shadow 'ISP' [08:33] schestowitz__ pay twice over [08:33] vmg3 only send encrypted data [08:33] schestowitz__ to get fake 'privacy' [08:33] vmg3 privacy is a personal thing [08:33] schestowitz__ some ISPs alreayd charge premium for 'privacy' [08:34] vmg3 responsibility to [08:34] schestowitz__ and they don't let you verify they honour their claims [08:34] vmg3 yeah but technically there should be no way of knowing [08:34] schestowitz__ This IRC chat is not private [08:34] vmg3 of course [08:34] schestowitz__ but when it comes to thinks like dating sites and family chats.... [08:35] vmg3 look how many people use nest and alexa [08:35] schestowitz__ so over a line that is not encrypted you end up talking just football and stuff [08:35] schestowitz__ vmg3: marketing [08:35] schestowitz__ "Smart" [08:35] schestowitz__ makes you "smart' [08:35] schestowitz__ your fake friends will be very impression [08:35] vmg3 yeah i got mine with a home delivery for free [08:35] schestowitz__ and buy coke [08:35] schestowitz__ it shows you have the "means' [08:35] vmg3 sits in a cupboard [08:36] schestowitz__ governments like tnose [08:36] schestowitz__ amazon works with them [08:36] schestowitz__ so they won't outlaw those [08:36] vmg3 rodreguez sang about this back in the 70's [08:36] schestowitz__ Google has its own too [08:36] schestowitz__ you have choice [08:36] schestowitz__ MSFT killed off its own [08:36] schestowitz__ it was a failure [08:37] schestowitz__ not because they care about privacy [08:37] vmg3 the man [08:37] schestowitz__ Apple, Google and Amazon are still in it [08:37] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 23.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 13.06 swarm size (avg): 118.37 [08:37] vmg3 I wonder about the love you can't find And I wonder about the loneliness that's mine I wonder how much going have you got And I wonder about your friends that are not [08:37] schestowitz__ CIA made these listening devices in the 70s; [08:38] schestowitz__ it's not innovation, it is 50 year old tech [08:38] vmg3 yeah [08:38] vmg3 they have auctions flogging off all that stuff now [08:38] vmg3 goes for a fortune [08:39] schestowitz__ these are blackmail tools [08:39] schestowitz__ or espionage in the political and industrial context [08:39] schestowitz__ you can see lobbying works [08:39] schestowitz__ because it's allowed [08:39] vmg3 yeah [08:39] schestowitz__ and they can openly ADverTISE this [08:39] vmg3 even trump [08:39] vmg3 pee pee [08:40] schestowitz__ MLK [08:40] schestowitz__ FBI [08:40] vmg3 epstien tapes are out there somewhere [08:40] schestowitz__ CoINTELPRO [08:40] schestowitz__ Hoover [08:40] schestowitz__ Edgar [08:40] vmg3 and this is all 1st level stuff [08:41] vmg3 its deeper [08:41] schestowitz__ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-homicide-autopsy-michael-baden.html [08:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Epsteins Autopsy Points to Homicide, Pathologist Hired by Brother Claims - The New York Times [08:41] schestowitz__ https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.html [08:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past - The New York Times [08:41] schestowitz__ Epstein BRAGGED he had dirt on people [08:41] vmg3 borrowed lolita express a few times [08:41] vmg3 to go to africa [08:42] schestowitz__ I thought only FL [08:42] vmg3 I just going from my memory [08:42] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/freger-abc-news-faa/ [08:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Even the Mainstream/Corporate Media is Trying to Study Why (or If) Bill Gates and Epsteins Sex Abuse Ring Were Closely Connected | Techrights [08:42] vmg3 could be mistaken [08:42] schestowitz__ no updates on this [08:43] schestowitz__ lately he has only been spamming his media with "Saves the World" BS [08:43] schestowitz__ helps drown out the signal [08:43] vmg3 i fly a private jet but you should be a good citizen [08:44] vmg3 fuck him [08:44] vmg3 most people think im weird for not using m$ [08:44] schestowitz__ Weeks after the MIT scandal unfolded this happened http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [08:44] vmg3 no everybody [08:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [08:45] schestowitz__ nobody uses Microsoft [08:45] schestowitz__ Microsoft uses everyone [08:45] vmg3 yeah no surprise the same with assange [08:45] vmg3 he's a rapist [08:45] vmg3 ahhh [08:45] vmg3 no he caught you murdering [08:46] schestowitz__ wait [08:46] schestowitz__ worse [08:47] schestowitz__ https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/art [08:47] vmg3 APT reuters run fake stories to muddy the water [08:47] schestowitz__ https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article124566504.html [08:47] schestowitz__ https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article110904727.html [08:47] vmg3 broken link [08:47] schestowitz__ https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/wikileaks-threatens-cnn-with-defamation-lawsuit-after-assange-called-pedophile-on-live-tv/ [08:47] schestowitz__ https://www.rt.com/usa/372789-cnn-apology-assange-wikileaks-pedophile/ [08:47] vmg3 that works [08:47] schestowitz__ The bot is very slow [08:48] vmg3 just mud [08:48] schestowitz__ maybe CNN doing something [08:48] vmg3 guardian [08:48] vmg3 they are all in it [08:48] vmg3 murdoch hacks phones and is to old to be brought to account [08:49] schestowitz__ dead girls' phones [08:49] schestowitz__ maybe it makes him horny [08:49] schestowitz__ iirc, it was a lady who worked for him that oversaw it [08:49] schestowitz__ and was arrested [08:49] vmg3 yeah .. shit i hadnt seen this mcclatchydc stuff before [08:49] schestowitz__ the "big fish" is never arrested [08:50] schestowitz__ Gates' engineer was arrested for pedophila [08:50] vmg3 to big to fail [08:50] schestowitz__ he worked at Bill's home [08:50] schestowitz__ Bill was never even questioned about it [08:51] vmg3 blame others for what you're doing [08:51] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [08:51] vmg3 straight out of the playbook [08:51] schestowitz__ ah, that makes sense now [08:51] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@techrights.org) has joined #techrights [08:51] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [08:51] vmg3 china [08:52] schestowitz__ bot reinstated [08:52] schestowitz__ some site was poisoning it [08:52] vmg3 the bot? [08:52] schestowitz__ it's a good thing BBC didn't call Julian Assange "pedophile" [08:52] schestowitz__ they wouldn't want us to bring up Jimmy Savile again [08:52] schestowitz__ they hope we forgot about the cover-up [08:52] vmg3 yeah dirty fucker [08:52] vmg3 s [08:53] schestowitz__ screwing unconscious little girls [08:53] schestowitz__ and they knew [08:53] vmg3 they just donate to a police department [08:54] vmg3 $$ fixes most crimes [08:54] vmg3 UNCLOS? no not a member [08:55] schestowitz__ who donates? [08:55] schestowitz__ BBC!? [08:55] schestowitz__ They take our money vvia TV Licensing [08:55] vmg3 yeah that kind of thing [08:55] schestowitz__ and then, IN ADDITION, take BRIBES from BIll Gates and who knows who else... [08:56] schestowitz__ nto once [08:56] schestowitz__ with repeats [08:56] vmg3 gifts [08:56] schestowitz__ so they need to be soft on him [08:56] schestowitz__ otherwise he stops the bribes [08:56] vmg3 and the stories [08:56] schestowitz__ the BBC is corrupt, I've stopped using their site even to access weather [08:56] vmg3 throw them scraps [08:56] schestowitz__ now it's like a sales department for vaccine companies that sell them at 100 the production cost [08:57] vmg3 tory fan club [08:57] schestowitz__ not sure about AU's ABC [08:57] schestowitz__ AFAIK, they did not receive Gates bribes (yet) [08:57] vmg3 just as infected [08:57] schestowitz__ Gaurdian did [08:57] vmg3 guardian were the ones that released all the files first [08:57] vmg3 and cryptome [08:58] schestowitz__ techrighrs boycotts guardian [08:58] vmg3 then ragged on julian [08:58] vmg3 they paint pictures [08:58] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, February 27, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/irc-log-270221/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/irc-log-270221/ [08:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, February 27, 2021 | Techrights [08:59] techrights-bot #Google Judge Disturbed That Incognito Users Are Tracked https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-26/google-judge-disturbed-that-even-incognito-users-are-tracked [08:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [08:59] techrights-bot #patent #law gone insane or misused https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1040670/review-of-epo-parameter-decisions-in-2020 [08:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Review Of EPO Parameter Decisions In 2020 - Intellectual Property - UK [08:59] vmg3 we have a raging stockmarket and dollar but nobody mentions a crumbling US dollar ● Feb 28 [09:00] vmg3 quantitative easing [09:00] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, February 27, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [09:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [09:01] vmg3 IP's have nothing to do with products only market prices [09:01] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [09:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [09:02] techrights-bot #ManagingIP , the corrupt think tank of #patent extremists, is selling articles to #Inspicos (and of course they still defend corrupt #EPO administration, which besieges the judges to rob the Boards of their autonomy) https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qmdqsn4g766t/epo-non-proven-facts-introduced-ex-officio [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | EPO: Non-proven facts introduced ex officio | Managing Intellectual Property [09:02] techrights-bot #BlackHistoryMonth Streams 2021 https://howiehawkins.us/black-history-month-streams-2021/ [09:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-howiehawkins.us | Black History Month Streams 2021 | Howie Hawkins for our Future [09:02] vmg3 trying to wind me up [09:03] vmg3 this is why twitter loves you [09:03] techrights-bot Such a weird new article from a "LINUX" site. How about neither? #DNS itself is problematic and I'm increasingly exploring ways around it, e.g. #IPFS https://www.fosslinux.com/45397/opendns-vs-google-dns.htm [09:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | OpenDNS vs. Google DNS: everything you need to know | FOSS Linux [09:05] vmg3 there are plenty of people out there that see the problem but nothing ever happens [09:05] vmg3 problems [09:05] vmg3 I get called a communist [09:06] vmg3 I am envious of some of Chinas methods [09:06] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148227 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:06] techrights-bot #Ubuntu 21.04 ( #HirsuteHippo ) Enters Feature Freeze, Beta Expected on April 1st http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148226 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [09:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute Hippo) Enters Feature Freeze, Beta Expected on April 1st | Tux Machines [09:07] schestowitz__ [08:59] we have a raging stockmarket and dollar but nobody mentions a crumbling US dollar [09:07] schestowitz__ petrodollar is an issue too, as oil lost its value [09:07] schestowitz__ so what do they still sell in dollars? Weapons? [09:07] vmg3 yeah and Australia props it up along with 5eyes [09:08] vmg3 inalienable rights [09:08] schestowitz__ UStralia [09:08] schestowitz__ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap [09:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pine Gap - Wikipedia [09:09] vmg3 yeah another shame for the public [09:09] vmg3 that ties in with gough whitlam [09:09] vmg3 and the queen [09:10] vmg3 gough wanted the US out [09:10] schestowitz__ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=20/11/12/1652218 [09:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Australian Parliament to Probe Rupert Murdochs Media Dominance - SoylentNews [09:10] vmg3 now the public just got to see the letters and we're expected to believe they didn't use a phone [09:11] vmg3 you are prolific poster dude [09:11] vmg3 i dig it [09:11] schestowitz__ money still runs the system https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/28/rupert-murdoch-ordered-editors-to-kill-whitlam-according-to-us-envoy [09:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Rupert Murdoch ordered editors to 'kill Whitlam', according to US envoy | Australian politics | The Guardian [09:12] schestowitz__ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2672896/Rupert-Murdoch-ordered-newspaper-editors-kill-PM.html [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Rupert Murdoch ordered his newspaper editors to 'Kill Whitlam' in 1975 | Daily Mail Online [09:12] schestowitz__ https://www.smh.com.au/national/murdoch-editors-told-to-kill-whitlam-in-1975-20140627-zson7.html [09:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Murdoch editors told to 'kill Whitlam' in 1975 [09:12] schestowitz__ now GAFAM do the same [09:12] vmg3 its a lesson to everyone out there [09:12] schestowitz__ blackmailing the government of another country to write the law for them [09:12] vmg3 keep your fucking mouth closed [09:12] schestowitz__ and Microsoft lobbies to favour Microsoft [09:12] schestowitz__ by blocking their rivals [09:12] schestowitz__ just because money [09:12] vmg3 yup [09:13] schestowitz__ as if Australia isn't run by and for anything but capital [09:13] schestowitz__ vmg3: it's why few politicians would have to courage to name bill gates issues [09:13] schestowitz__ they would nowadays likely be portrayed as emboldening "qanon" or something [09:13] vmg3 how can we afford to throw away %35 of our trade? [09:13] vmg3 ffs [09:14] schestowitz__ by publishers liek guardian and bbc bribes by Gates [09:14] vmg3 disinformation is wearing us down [09:14] schestowitz__ well, people seek alternatives [09:14] vmg3 people switch off [09:14] schestowitz__ so there is hope [09:14] schestowitz__ until they try to undermine the alternatives too [09:15] schestowitz__ many they will call gemini "dark web" is password-restricted access gets added [09:15] vmg3 now with the media code they prop up murdoch further [09:15] schestowitz__ *maybe [09:15] vmg3 i would love to see it grow [09:15] schestowitz__ social control media now favours "big sites" [09:15] schestowitz__ and "celeb" users [09:15] vmg3 but FB is all they want [09:15] schestowitz__ not those who are harmful to advertising budget [09:16] schestowitz__ so people need to get off their social control networks too [09:16] schestowitz__ and many d [09:16] schestowitz__ *do [09:16] schestowitz__ they try to restrict things like "RIPTwitter" [09:16] schestowitz__ people talk offline however [09:16] vmg3 yeah many is still only a drop in the bucket [09:16] schestowitz__ maybe less during COVID [09:16] schestowitz__ but people will eventually move on [09:16] schestowitz__ the old media died [09:16] vmg3 change hurts people [09:16] schestowitz__ now we need to kill off their successors, like GAFAM [09:17] vmg3 tell me how [09:17] schestowitz__ can't wait to see what they will try next [09:17] vmg3 i support a few indy outlets [09:17] schestowitz__ there's talk of banning private chats [09:17] vmg3 it only spreads so far [09:17] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/control-but-no-accountability/ [09:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | High-Level Criminals Associate Privacy With Crime Because They Want Privacy Only for Themselves (Control But No Accountability) | Techrights [09:17] schestowitz__ because... people talk "and stuff" [09:17] vmg3 well yeah most places i go its for the comments [09:18] schestowitz__ and talk leads to violence "or something" [09:18] vmg3 discourse [09:18] vmg3 something [09:18] vmg3 haha [09:18] schestowitz__ it started with people talking [09:19] schestowitz__ and then planes crash into buildings [09:19] schestowitz__ privacy is for terrorists, obviously [09:19] vmg3 oh fuck [09:19] vmg3 the law [09:19] vmg3 terrorists are just criminals [09:19] vmg3 we didnt need an endless war [09:20] vmg3 fooled by a word [09:20] vmg3 murder is still murder [09:21] vmg3 i need a beer [09:22] vmg3 torture and rendition [09:22] vmg3 that the real crime [09:22] vmg3 spying on allies [09:23] vmg3 fucking them over for profit [09:23] schestowitz__ crime is a weird word [09:23] schestowitz__ it's associated with poor people [09:23] schestowitz__ there are words like corruption [09:23] schestowitz__ or white-collar crime [09:23] schestowitz__ so that Zuckerberg doesn't get called a criminal [09:23] vmg3 yeah, are you a philosopher? [09:23] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [09:24] schestowitz__ the person who steals a bottle of milk gets called that [09:24] vmg3 you hit the nail hard [09:24] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:24] schestowitz__ Johnson is just a 'confused' and clumsy clown [09:24] schestowitz__ not a Prime Minister [09:24] schestowitz__ he doesn't bomb anyone [09:24] vmg3 front man [09:25] vmg3 all leaders in the west seem to be puppets [09:25] schestowitz__ screwing his PA [09:25] schestowitz__ but asks us to trust him n COVID [09:25] schestowitz__ which he was eager to contract [09:25] vmg3 look how corybin got screwed over [09:25] schestowitz__ even impregnating his PA [09:25] schestowitz__ cory-bin LOL [09:25] schestowitz__ the tabloid called him Cor-BIN the night before the election [09:26] schestowitz__ painting a cartoon of him in the bin [09:26] schestowitz__ classy [09:26] vmg3 how the fuck can the tories still lead in the polls [09:26] schestowitz__ old voters [09:26] vmg3 living in fear [09:26] vmg3 the muslims the blacks the hoons [09:27] vmg3 the unemployed [09:27] vmg3 the immigrants [09:27] vmg3 they want to eat your babies [09:27] schestowitz__ after raping them [09:27] vmg3 yeah haha [09:27] schestowitz__ and poking them with sticks [09:27] schestowitz__ "their culture" [09:27] schestowitz__ we come with rifles [09:28] schestowitz__ they resist with spears [09:28] schestowitz__ spears kill [09:28] vmg3 who cares we bombed the shit out of them [09:28] schestowitz__ rifles "pacify" [09:28] vmg3 if we spend half a billion on our war memorial that will help [09:29] techrights-bot NEWS #uniToronto #Standards The #HTTP Referer header is fading away (at least as a useful thing) https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/web/FadingHTTPReferer [09:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-utcc.utoronto.ca | Chris's Wiki :: blog/web/FadingHTTPReferer [09:29] vmg3 we even have secret courts now here [09:30] schestowitz__ most countries seem to [09:30] schestowitz__ that I know of [09:30] schestowitz__ the courts themselves are a bit of a secret [09:30] schestowitz__ so it takes some digging [09:30] schestowitz__ they cite "national security" typically [09:30] schestowitz__ they also classify some prisoners that way [09:30] schestowitz__ so they're incommunicado and sort of "disappeared" [09:30] schestowitz__ like in China [09:31] schestowitz__ secrecy is still a thing [09:31] schestowitz__ and Assange is still in Belmarsh prison, so that's one heck of a deterrent to all else [09:31] vmg3 sucks [09:31] schestowitz__ no news since 2019 https://wikileaks.org/-News-.html [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - News [09:31] vmg3 and the media is mute [09:31] schestowitz__ No leaks since 2018 https://wikileaks.org/-Leaks-.html [09:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wikileaks.org | WikiLeaks - Leaks [09:31] vmg3 a few small snippets [09:31] schestowitz__ but they don't list some [09:32] schestowitz__ like the fish scandal in Africa [09:32] schestowitz__ they don't even seem to maintain their site any longer [09:32] vmg3 paid off? [09:32] schestowitz__ no [09:32] schestowitz__ scared [09:32] vmg3 maybe with good reason [09:32] schestowitz__ they sent threatening letters to many who were at any point associated with WL [09:32] schestowitz__ in france, Germany... [09:33] schestowitz__ "or else" [09:33] techrights-bot NEWS #Buttondown #Science What math is waiting for the world to catch up to? https://buttondown.email/j2kun/archive/what-math-is-waiting-for-the-world-to-catch-up-to/ [09:33] vmg3 they tell us things are to sensitive [09:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-buttondown.email | What math is waiting for the world to catch up to? [09:34] vmg3 the foi system is broken [09:34] techrights-bot NEWS #IndiaTimes #ProprietarySoftware Google fires 150 game developers hired for #Stadia : Report https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/google-fires-150-game-developers-hired-for-stadia-report/81244590 [09:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | google stadia: Google fires 150 game developers hired for Stadia: Report, IT News, ET CIO [09:37] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [09:42] vmg3 that lagrange browser is quite nice to use someone should flatpak it [09:44] schestowitz__ it is [09:44] schestowitz__ I installed it [09:44] schestowitz__ but need to reboot to run it [09:44] schestowitz__ because, you know, flatpak [09:45] schestowitz__ I saw a report about it taking ove GB od RAM [09:45] vmg3 i cmake it [09:45] schestowitz__ due to a bug, obviously [09:45] vmg3 no reboot required [09:45] schestowitz__ https://flathub.org/apps/details/fi.skyjake.Lagrange [09:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-flathub.org | FlathubAn app store and build service for Linux [09:45] vmg3 oh i did a search [09:45] schestowitz__ it's one Finnish dev's work [09:45] vmg3 and on snap [09:45] schestowitz__ but for now I focus on Amfora [09:45] schestowitz__ maybe one day I'll reboot and run this [09:46] schestowitz__ roy@vonick:~$ flatpak run fi.skyjake.Lagrange [09:46] schestowitz__ Note that the directories [09:46] vmg3 stupid me trying the bash client first [09:46] schestowitz__ '/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share' [09:46] schestowitz__ '/home/roy/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share' [09:46] schestowitz__ are not in the search path set by the XDG_DATA_DIRS environment variable, so [09:46] schestowitz__ applications installed by Flatpak may not appear on your desktop until the [09:46] schestowitz__ session is restarted. [09:46] schestowitz__ Welcome to Microsoft Linux [09:46] vmg3 oh [09:47] schestowitz__ you can use gemini over ssh kiosk [09:47] schestowitz__ 3 cli clients [09:47] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/gemini-with-ssh/ [09:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | How to Try Gemini Without Installing Any New Software (and Without World Wide Web Gateways) | Techrights [09:48] vmg3 you have me flat out figuring out shit [09:48] vmg3 i guess its good only had 50 tabs open [09:48] vmg3 then trying to configure things [09:49] vmg3 my typing is woeful compared you to [09:49] vmg3 you must be 100wpm [09:49] schestowitz__ yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes [09:49] schestowitz__ depending on the word :-) [09:49] vmg3 lol [09:49] schestowitz__ i i i i i i i i i [09:50] vmg3 dont worry i notice these things [09:50] vmg3 after a while [09:50] schestowitz__ Ariadne types very fast [09:50] vmg3 my first wife taught me [09:50] schestowitz__ some software lets you see how people type while they di [09:50] schestowitz__ *do [09:50] schestowitz__ ICQ had that mode in the 1990s [09:50] vmg3 she was a demon on the keyboard [09:50] schestowitz__ ytalk still works that way [09:51] schestowitz__ no trigger to send [09:51] vmg3 direct [09:51] schestowitz__ typing fast can help you become a typist [09:51] schestowitz__ you can type lots of stuff [09:51] schestowitz__ like lies told to a judge [09:51] schestowitz__ (or by a judge) [09:52] schestowitz__ but what matters is the substance of the writing [09:52] schestowitz__ about 90% of the time I just read or code [09:52] vmg3 full disclosure ive never worked in tech [09:52] vmg3 i was transport [09:52] vmg3 now retired [09:52] schestowitz__ the writing is an accumulation of aggregation of things i learned [09:52] schestowitz__ people write about what they read [09:52] schestowitz__ the mind processes and connects facts [09:52] vmg3 it's an invaluable skill [09:53] vmg3 even my reading is terrible [09:53] vmg3 and talking [09:53] vmg3 lol [09:53] schestowitz__ meet oiaohm [09:53] schestowitz__ also an aussue [09:53] vmg3 bit rough around the edges [09:53] schestowitz__ aussie [09:53] schestowitz__ brilliant technically [09:53] schestowitz__ but dyslexic [09:53] vmg3 yeah that too but i'm german born [09:53] schestowitz__ oh, btw [09:53] schestowitz__ I must ask you [09:53] vmg3 moved here when i was a baby [09:53] schestowitz__ must [09:54] schestowitz__ about that apparently German aussie accused of rape [09:54] schestowitz__ someone I know is looking into it [09:54] vmg3 not me [09:54] vmg3 is this in government thing [09:54] schestowitz__ [08:50] > Former media advisor Brittany Higgins[1] went public about 2 weeks ago, [09:54] schestowitz__ [08:50] > claiming [09:54] schestowitz__ [08:50] > [09:54] schestowitz__ [08:50] > a) rape on the sofa of female defense minister, [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > b) she didn't specify the suspect's name (Lehrmann), reports suggest her [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > gripe is with the Government for helping suspect make a clean getaway, [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > officials even steam cleaned the sofa before the police could check it [09:55] vmg3 yeah the advisor [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > [09:55] schestowitz__ Are you familiar with this? [09:55] schestowitz__ we seek more input and fact-finding at the moment [09:55] vmg3 from what i've heard it has been narrowed down to a handfull of people [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > The cover up is a story in itself, it involves the most senior officials [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > in a G20 government, that potentially makes it a lot bigger than the [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > Alex Salmond stuff. Australia also seems to have much more intense [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > injunctions such as the Securency super-injunction and the injunction [09:55] schestowitz__ [08:50] > that concealed the case against Cardinal George Pell. [09:55] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:56] schestowitz__ [08:50] > [09:56] schestowitz__ [08:50] > https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/30/wikileaks-gag-order-open-justice-is-threatened-by-super-injuctions [09:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | WikiLeaks gag order: open justice is threatened by super-injunctions | Australia news | The Guardian [09:56] schestowitz__ i can post more here [09:56] schestowitz__ but it's undergoing fact-funding [09:56] schestowitz__ *finding [09:56] schestowitz__ techrights might publlsh something soon [09:56] vmg3 to much of it [09:56] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:56] schestowitz__ I don't even know if Lehrmann is indeed dual national [09:56] vmg3 it should bring a few undone [09:57] vmg3 not the rape but the coverup [09:57] schestowitz__ dual nationals usually don't openly talk about it [09:57] schestowitz__ one MP, Scott Ludlam (surely I spell it wrong), lost his job over it [09:57] schestowitz__ born in NZ, iirc [09:57] schestowitz__ some Tony Abbott, IIRC, was dual (British) [09:57] vmg3 dual nationals are a tricky thing yeah i cant remember what code it under quite a few have fallen by the wayside [09:57] vmg3 504 [09:58] schestowitz__ i know some triple nationals [09:58] schestowitz__ apparently it's an iffy legal ground [09:58] schestowitz__ and very exceptional [09:58] schestowitz__ usually the third one is acquired through a spouse [09:58] schestowitz__ maybe Peter Thiel is triple [09:58] schestowitz__ germany, us, nz [09:58] vmg3 sorry beer is better than searching [09:59] vmg3 but they are not allowed to be in the house [09:59] techrights-bot NEWS #NPR #Nigeria Authorities Searching For 317 Schoolgirls Kidnapped By 'Armed Bandits' https://text.npr.org/971796088 [09:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | Nigerian Authorities Searching For 317 Schoolgirls Kidnapped By 'Armed Bandits' [09:59] vmg3 even some countries they get nationality from their mother [09:59] vmg3 barnaby joyce and jackie lambie ● Feb 28 [10:00] vmg3 they had to resign and come back [10:00] schestowitz__ the possibility comes from the plurality of what qualifies for naturalisation [10:01] schestowitz__ country of birth, parents, by marriage... [10:01] vmg3 british [10:01] vmg3 colony [10:01] schestowitz__ but the loyalty question is further complicated by this [10:01] vmg3 yeah [10:01] schestowitz__ esp. if one country goes to war with another [10:01] schestowitz__ like dual british-german [10:01] vmg3 our treasure is under a cloud to hungarian [10:02] vmg3 josh frydenberg dodgy paperwork claims stateless [10:02] vmg3 from his mother [10:02] vmg3 weird rule [10:03] DVulgaris My friend happens to be a triple national - just pure lucj [10:03] schestowitz__ usually wide and family roots [10:03] vmg3 that is cool DVulgaris [10:03] schestowitz__ *wife/husband [10:03] vmg3 bring on the passports [10:03] schestowitz__ "which one!" [10:04] vmg3 mother or father automatically gives to descendants [10:05] vmg3 even when child born here [10:05] schestowitz__ little practical advantage [10:05] schestowitz__ except in economic ruin or war [10:05] schestowitz__ so you can 'defect' to another sovereign state [10:05] vmg3 more a disadvantage [10:06] vmg3 i've never used my german citizenship [10:06] schestowitz__ people would not easily accept you as asylum seeker if you just flee poverty [10:06] schestowitz__ war? maybe. sometimes... [10:06] vmg3 conscription [10:06] schestowitz__ vmg3: it's helping to travel some countries without visa [10:06] schestowitz__ schengen for once [10:07] vmg3 if i was a big traveller i'd consider it [10:07] schestowitz__ Lots to see in .au itself [10:07] schestowitz__ no need to travel far [10:07] vmg3 covid put a damper on my travel [10:08] vmg3 yeah even tasmania has heaps and its small [10:08] vmg3 i ride a bicycle [10:08] schestowitz__ air mile fetishists love to say they flew to .au [10:08] schestowitz__ on a bicycle you are closer to nature [10:08] vmg3 i quite like asia [10:08] schestowitz__ just don't be near a motorway [10:08] vmg3 yeah [10:09] schestowitz__ if I wanted to be on a chair in a capsule, I'd be home [10:09] schestowitz__ planes are even worse [10:09] vmg3 and good for the heart [10:09] schestowitz__ you barely get an armrest [10:09] schestowitz__ if you are lucky, nobody sits next to you [10:09] vmg3 its horrible without valium [10:09] vmg3 i got the airmarshall last time [10:10] schestowitz__ and cars are not social symbols anymore [10:10] schestowitz__ or class symbols [10:10] vmg3 i save 100 buck a week [10:10] schestowitz__ unless they are "Smart" [10:10] schestowitz__ "oi matey! Is that SMART?" [10:11] vmg3 when i was driving all the time i never appreciated all the places i went it was all work work work [10:11] techrights-bot NEWS #SundayObserver #Environment MAS Ocean strainer technology to be open source http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2021/02/28/business/mas-%E2%80%98ocean-strainer%E2%80%99-technology-be-open-source [10:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sundayobserver.lk | MAS Ocean strainer technology to be open source | Sunday Observer [10:11] vmg3 now i plod along with a smile [10:12] vmg3 i don't wear lycra [10:13] vmg3 I've got some but dont look good in it [10:13] *DVulgaris has quit (Quit: Catch you later.) [10:13] vmg3 ok on my 3rd beer things could get messy [10:14] vmg3 2's normally my limit but someone wound me up [10:14] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [10:14] schestowitz__ pints? [10:14] schestowitz__ I guess you say "POOOINTS" there [10:15] schestowitz__ and maybe the measure is even a little different [10:15] schestowitz__ beer is very high-calories beverage per alcohol unit [10:15] vmg3 375ml cans [10:15] schestowitz__ wine is better [10:15] vmg3 whats a pint [10:15] schestowitz__ about 560ml [10:16] vmg3 maybe a glass every now and then [10:16] schestowitz__ in the UK [10:16] schestowitz__ let me check what is means where... [10:16] vmg3 i'd be dead after 3 [10:16] schestowitz__ " a liquid pint (473 ml) and a less-common dry pint (551 ml)" https://www.cxotoday.com/ashojoac/2021/01/foss-750x450.jpeg [10:16] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [10:16] schestowitz__ " In Commonwealth countries it may be a British imperial pint of 568 ml" [10:16] schestowitz__ What's what I drink tea in [10:16] vmg3 we call them schooner or pot for a can [10:17] schestowitz__ *That's [10:17] vmg3 in my younger days i could put a few away [10:17] schestowitz__ Turns out the word is actually French: "Pint comes from the Old French word pinte and perhaps ultimately from Vulgar Latin pincta meaning "painted", for marks painted on the side of a container to show capacity.[7] It is linguistically related, though greatly diverging in meaning, to Pinto an Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese name for a person with a speckled or dark complexion, often used as a surname in these languages." [10:18] vmg3 but pommie beer is not the best [10:18] vmg3 :P [10:18] schestowitz__ "South Australian pint425 ml425 ml" [10:18] schestowitz__ Wow, there are like a dozen different pints [10:18] schestowitz__ I thought only about 3 [10:19] vmg3 yeah it gets warm if the glass is to big [10:19] schestowitz__ Flemish pintje [10:19] schestowitz__ Israel [10:19] vmg3 lots of people nurse their glass [10:19] schestowitz__ India [10:19] schestowitz__ South Australian pint [10:19] schestowitz__ US liquid pint [10:19] schestowitz__ US dry pint [10:19] schestowitz__ Imperial pint [10:19] schestowitz__ Australian pint [10:19] schestowitz__ Royal pint or pinte du roi [10:19] schestowitz__ Canadian pinte de bire [10:19] schestowitz__ Scottish pint or joug (obsolete) [10:19] vmg3 wow [10:19] schestowitz__ lol [10:19] schestowitz__ even one for Aussie, one for South Aussie [10:20] schestowitz__ for a country of like 30 million people [10:20] schestowitz__ two different measures of the same thing [10:20] vmg3 i had a classic bike and the threads on bolts drove me nuts like that [10:20] schestowitz__ "where you from matey? Oh, your pint isn't the same as ours? We're in NSW" [10:20] vmg3 british standard [10:20] vmg3 standard fine [10:20] vmg3 standard course [10:20] vmg3 on and on [10:21] schestowitz__ In South AU pint is 425 ml [10:21] schestowitz__ everywhere else 570 ml [10:21] vmg3 they dont have pints [10:21] vmg3 in nsw [10:21] schestowitz__ which isn't even the same as British. LOL. [10:21] vmg3 schooner [10:21] schestowitz__ you get an extra slurp [10:21] vmg3 middy [10:21] vmg3 maybe at a boutique [10:22] schestowitz__ "Canadian pinte de bireImperial quart 1136 ml" [10:22] vmg3 lots of small brewers now [10:22] schestowitz__ You can get drunk on one pint [10:22] schestowitz__ depending on body size [10:22] vmg3 northern territory stubbie [10:22] vmg3 search for that [10:23] vmg3 quarter gallon that canadian [10:24] techrights-bot Why India Needs To Fuss Over FOSS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148228 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #india #freesw [10:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why India Needs To Fuss Over FOSS | Tux Machines [10:26] vmg3 I read a few Indian blogs the do some good linux work [10:27] vmg3 everytime i start to complain about our NBN network I think of them and feel a little better [10:28] vmg3 they are copping it tough in the social control networks too [10:30] vmg3 you cover the globe well [10:30] schestowitz__ NBN? [10:30] schestowitz__ Telsta maybe? [10:30] schestowitz__ they bought pacnet [10:30] vmg3 National broadband network [10:30] vmg3 they are involved [10:31] schestowitz__ i heard bigpond is crap [10:31] vmg3 started on their phone network [10:31] schestowitz__ who even calls a company that? [10:31] schestowitz__ digitalocean sounds better [10:31] schestowitz__ I think they have IPO imminent [10:31] vmg3 it was ment to be like NZ's fibre network [10:31] schestowitz__ NZ is smaller [10:32] schestowitz__ and no major desert, so easier to connect economically [10:32] vmg3 but when the liberal party got in they decided copper was adequate [10:32] vmg3 25mbs was all we needed [10:32] vmg3 malcolm turnbull [10:32] schestowitz__ fibre is needed for undersea cables [10:32] schestowitz__ for most residential connections copper can be ok [10:32] vmg3 now some places get 250 but NZ is getting 1000 [10:32] schestowitz__ unless you stop owning what you watch and instead stream Hd+DRM [10:33] vmg3 yeah [10:33] vmg3 i just went through a drama on thrusday [10:33] vmg3 with my isp [10:33] schestowitz__ join the club [10:33] vmg3 not having a mobile and wanting to churn was cumbersome to say the least [10:33] schestowitz__ they emailed me 2 days ago [10:34] schestowitz__ after they had issued compensation [10:34] vmg3 ended up getting upgraded from 50 to 100 [10:34] schestowitz__ [09:35] NEWS #Reason #Privacy #Surveillance So Long as You Carry a Cellphone, the Government Can Track You https://reason.com/2021/02/26/so-long-as-you-carry-a-cellphone-the-government-can-track-you/ Yes, DO NOT 'own' one. Don't be shamed/fooled into it. [10:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-So Long as You Carry a Cellphone, the Government Can Track You Reason.com [10:34] vmg3 sounds like a common story then [10:35] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [10:36] vmg3 they just like to be difficult [10:37] vmg3 i'm not an activist normally [10:37] vmg3 just a little disgruntled [10:37] schestowitz__ what is "activist"? [10:37] schestowitz__ stubborn, opinionated person? [10:37] vmg3 protester [10:37] schestowitz__ activist is not an occupation [10:38] schestowitz__ it's a label corporations and their media put on people [10:38] schestowitz__ like "hobbyist" [10:38] schestowitz__ to belittle people [10:38] schestowitz__ just a "jobless" activist [10:38] schestowitz__ does not work for a big salary, don't listen to her/him [10:38] vmg3 oh for some they chain themselves to bridges etc [10:38] vmg3 true [10:39] vmg3 we have tree sitters [10:39] schestowitz__ some CEOs blow their brains out [10:39] schestowitz__ or threaten the Aussie government [10:39] schestowitz__ over the phone, not over a busy bridge [10:39] schestowitz__ "corporate raider" [10:39] schestowitz__ there's another one for you [10:39] vmg3 everything is relative [10:39] schestowitz__ or "shareholder activist" [10:39] schestowitz__ billionaires who destroy things and blackmail people [10:39] schestowitz__ it's all fine [10:39] schestowitz__ unlike gamestop [10:40] schestowitz__ some people can only chain themselves to a bridge [10:40] schestowitz__ some can blackmail a government with economic sanctions [10:40] schestowitz__ as FB did [10:40] vmg3 dirty bastards how dare they [10:40] schestowitz__ both are "activists" [10:40] vmg3 yep [10:40] schestowitz__ but some are bankrolled by Wall Street [10:40] schestowitz__ some stand against it [10:40] vmg3 i'm to old for that [10:41] vmg3 it's a young persons game [10:41] vmg3 look at myanmar and thailand [10:41] techrights-bot NEWS #TheEconomist #Censorship #Facebook and #Australia both claim victory as they end their spat https://www.economist.com/business/2021/02/24/facebook-and-australia-both-claim-victory-as-they-end-their-spat [10:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Relationship status: its complicated - Facebook and Australia both claim victory as they end their spat | Business | The Economist [10:41] vmg3 they treat the kids different to the adults [10:42] vmg3 their youth is a weapon [10:42] vmg3 still cop a floggin [10:42] schestowitz__ kids have more future [10:42] schestowitz__ more years [10:42] schestowitz__ older people have savings sometimes [10:42] schestowitz__ and not much time left to use it [10:42] schestowitz__ so their stakes are different [10:42] vmg3 takes longer to recover [10:42] schestowitz__ revolutionaries thus tend to be younger [10:42] vmg3 yeah [10:42] schestowitz__ and here the older people vote "Boris" [10:43] vmg3 hahaha [10:43] schestowitz__ to "stick it" to the "brown people" [10:43] vmg3 true dat [10:43] vmg3 my shit stirring days are behind me [10:43] vmg3 mostly [10:44] vmg3 an online petition [10:44] vmg3 that me [10:44] vmg3 or donate to greenpeace [10:45] vmg3 use my vote [10:45] vmg3 not that that works [10:45] schestowitz__ it works a bit [10:45] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [10:45] schestowitz__ but the people who bought the system told us it doesn't matter [10:45] schestowitz__ defeatism [10:45] vmg3 but we do have some grannies for refugees and the environment that are getting arrested [10:45] schestowitz__ because they know they're a minority except in capital [10:45] vmg3 i tip my hat to them [10:46] vmg3 money talks [10:46] vmg3 wisdom with the law is a great weapon. I'm basically unarmed [10:47] schestowitz__ law changes over time [10:47] schestowitz__ rules do too [10:47] schestowitz__ not the same as law [10:47] schestowitz__ that's why Twitter banned me [10:47] vmg3 for the guy with the money [10:47] schestowitz__ without even bothering to explain a reason [10:48] schestowitz__ they can do anything they want there [10:48] schestowitz__ so activism needs to be creative [10:48] vmg3 my foray with the law was against an insurance company and they flogged me stupid [10:48] schestowitz__ and technically advanced [10:48] schestowitz__ wikileaks did a good job [10:48] vmg3 yes [10:48] schestowitz__ but when you mess with CIA they get violent [10:48] schestowitz__ and weaponise the media [10:48] vmg3 and play dirty [10:48] schestowitz__ like Guardian egging on Ecuador to banish Assange [10:49] vmg3 and spy on him [10:49] schestowitz__ an Ecuadorian citizen at the time [10:49] vmg3 and all his visitors [10:49] schestowitz__ the 'press' blackmailing politicians [10:49] vmg3 yeah there is a lesson there somewhere [10:49] vmg3 lol [10:49] vmg3 we're fucke [10:49] vmg3 d [10:50] schestowitz__ now they equate free speech with violence [10:50] schestowitz__ privacy with conspiracy to mass-murder [10:50] schestowitz__ basically any tool we can use to counter power [10:50] vmg3 nothing is out of bounds [10:50] schestowitz__ that's sold to the public as collective threat [10:50] schestowitz__ and they use a sanitary angle now with COVID [10:51] schestowitz__ protesters are apparently "superspreaders" [10:51] vmg3 yeah [10:51] schestowitz__ so we can be created on the Net [10:51] vmg3 labels [10:51] schestowitz__ creative [10:51] schestowitz__ whistleblowers still exist [10:51] schestowitz__ you just don't present them as such as they're kept safer [10:51] vmg3 they end up in secret courts now [10:52] vmg3 even greta is a thorn [10:53] vmg3 India shuts the net down at the drop of a mischief kit [10:53] schestowitz__ there is another way to deal with her [10:53] schestowitz__ and the likes of her [10:53] schestowitz__ they weaponise the right [10:53] schestowitz__ and they get painted as "pawns" [10:53] vmg3 yeah [10:54] schestowitz__ Assange too [10:54] vmg3 grown men attacking children is fine now [10:54] *DVulgaris_ (~quassel@147.236.145.9) has joined #techrights [10:54] schestowitz__ being called "CIA agent" or "Russian agent" or "mossad" [10:54] schestowitz__ even totally contradictory labels [10:54] schestowitz__ they did "China" on Snowden [10:54] schestowitz__ but that didn't hold up [10:54] vmg3 presidents even [10:54] schestowitz__ The media was enamored with Snowden for some reason [10:55] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [10:55] vmg3 drank the koolaid [10:55] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [10:55] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [10:56] vmg3 Putin has the dirt [10:56] schestowitz__ on many domestically [10:56] schestowitz__ or he can make stuff up [10:56] schestowitz__ a lot of the media is controlled indirectly by his regime [10:56] vmg3 oligarchs help [10:57] schestowitz__ the rest has been painted as "foreign agent" [10:57] schestowitz__ or driven out [10:57] *vZS1_2 (~vZS1_2@host-92-25-9-33.as13285.net) has joined #techrights [10:57] schestowitz__ Putin still has relatively high approval rates compared to Western regimes, but media control probably contributes to this [10:57] schestowitz__ hi, vZS1_2 [10:57] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:58] vmg3 i still think its a smaller layer of corruption [10:58] vmg3 than capitalism [10:58] vmg3 we have to many middlemen [10:58] vmg3 all want a piece of pie [10:59] vZS1_2 o/ [10:59] schestowitz__ vmg3: so let's create the conditions within which they suffer and cannot thrive [10:59] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [10:59] schestowitz__ transparency and media are means of approaching that [10:59] vZS1_2 schestowitz__: I bought a dumbphone; took the SIM card out of my spyphone and put it in my dumbphone. Guess what? 3 no longer support dumbphones. [10:59] schestowitz__ they never like bad PR [10:59] vmg3 fuckThem app [10:59] schestowitz__ IBM really loathes what techrights does to highlight IBM intolerance ● Feb 28 [11:00] schestowitz__ never mind the more technical criticisms [11:00] schestowitz__ like vendor lockin, monopoly etc. [11:00] vmg3 I just shout vZS1_2 [11:00] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: the dumbphones are also spyphones [11:00] vmg3 even intel lie and cheat now [11:00] schestowitz__ and I did some research into this a decade back [11:01] schestowitz__ lots of it [11:01] vmg3 blatantly [11:01] schestowitz__ they can figure out who you are [11:01] vZS1_2 schestowitz__: It's a dumberspyphone, at least. [11:01] schestowitz__ many ways, even if you pay cash [11:01] vZS1_2 I got this to get rid of distractions, primarily. Not for privacy. I am aware of those issues. [11:01] vmg3 I notice a few phones from china now have walkie talkies in them [11:01] schestowitz__ what's the "use case"? [11:02] schestowitz__ colleague phones? [11:02] schestowitz__ I was just chatting with the wife about it an hour ago [11:02] schestowitz__ she had a spyphone a decade ago and all it caused was nuisance [11:02] vZS1_2 The use case is just a phone that doesn't distract me with notifications all the time. [11:02] schestowitz__ like calls from employer while in the gym [11:02] schestowitz__ and then coming back home early [11:02] vmg3 we only need data now [11:02] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: but that's spun in negation form? [11:02] schestowitz__ it does not specify use [11:03] schestowitz__ but something NOT used [11:03] vZS1_2 Good point [11:03] vZS1_2 Texts and calls. [11:03] vZS1_2 That's it [11:03] schestowitz__ yesterday I told her, [11:03] vmg3 get a sim for my pi [11:03] schestowitz__ remember before we had all this crap [11:03] schestowitz__ we did fine [11:03] schestowitz__ applies to lots of things btw [11:03] vmg3 life was simpler [11:03] schestowitz__ things that, if you took away, would not really make life worse [11:03] vmg3 that for sure [11:03] schestowitz__ (only perceived need) [11:04] vmg3 the same with cash v card too [11:04] vmg3 i was insulted the other day for paying cash for guitar strings [11:04] vmg3 like i was a cave man [11:04] vZS1_2 If you want more privacy just use a phone on the street (while they still last). [11:05] vmg3 even the pay phones are against us [11:05] vmg3 they only allow 15 minutes [11:05] schestowitz__ vmg3: you should ask them, why do companies and PM need to know if I buy this item? Has anyone assembled a bomb with strings? [11:05] vmg3 i was still on hold calling isp [11:05] vZS1_2 My calls usually only last a minute. [11:05] vmg3 fucking crazy [11:06] vZS1_2 schestowitz__: you can use the strings as garotte wire. [11:06] vmg3 you havent used my isp [11:06] vmg3 haha [11:06] vZS1_2 s/garotte/garrote/ [11:06] schestowitz__ there you go, vZS1_2 [11:06] vmg3 yeah maybe wanted to put me on suicide watch [11:06] schestowitz__ people who buy musical instruments are future terrorists [11:07] vmg3 i wont be going back to that shop [11:07] schestowitz__ same here [11:07] schestowitz__ no cash, no business [11:07] schestowitz__ they want to demand card now for a coffee [11:07] schestowitz__ yes coffee [11:07] schestowitz__ "don't want your money" [11:07] schestowitz__ "get the app" [11:07] vZS1_2 To which I would reply: I don't have a phone with apps [11:07] vmg3 now the government has the figures on the stimulus payments and says to much money was saved [11:07] schestowitz__ me: lecturing them, "byeeee" [11:08] vZS1_2 Most small businesses prefer cash [11:08] vmg3 thats what i thought [11:08] vZS1_2 It's the large chains that are allergic to cash [11:08] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: : those crooks! [11:08] schestowitz__ tax evaders! [11:08] vZS1_2 Yep [11:08] vZS1_2 Standard propaganda [11:08] vmg3 but they all buy into it [11:08] schestowitz__ not all [11:08] vZS1_2 I still do most of my business in cash only [11:08] schestowitz__ the people who still resist it widen the options [11:09] vmg3 I think we're a minority [11:09] schestowitz__ the media now paints people who pay with cash like unvaccinated monsters [11:09] schestowitz__ "superspreaders" [11:09] vZS1_2 Either way, I just wanted to flag that a lot of UK mobile network providers want to phase out 2G [11:09] vmg3 money launderers [11:09] vZS1_2 Because it's harder to spy on people with dumbphones [11:10] schestowitz__ remote takeovers [11:10] vZS1_2 They can't force you to get "apps" either [11:10] vmg3 i liked it when i could listen to phone calls on a tv dongle [11:10] schestowitz__ might be harder [11:10] schestowitz__ or [11:10] schestowitz__ give access to fewer sensors [11:10] vZS1_2 No "apps" [11:10] schestowitz__ or don't give good cover for the one taking over [11:10] vZS1_2 I hate "apps" [11:10] schestowitz__ like the old phonelines when you hear crackling when it's tampered with or eavesdropped [11:10] vmg3 they are dirty [11:11] schestowitz__ vmg3: or a walkie talkie [11:11] schestowitz__ back when some portable landlines didn't do good encryption [11:11] schestowitz__ and used simple radio to the base station [11:11] vmg3 yeah i miss my old rigs [11:11] schestowitz__ so we used to go around with the walkie talkie as kids, sometimes picking up calls and giggling ourselves [11:12] vmg3 pirate radio [11:12] vZS1_2 At least I can temporarily use the dumbphone for a "no apps" excuse. [11:12] schestowitz__ the pirates became "big tech" [11:12] vZS1_2 I charged it and it's small so it fits into a jacket pocket easily. [11:12] schestowitz__ they have more lobbyists than kids [11:12] *DVulgaris_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11:12] vmg3 now the spectrum is worth billions [11:12] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: battery life on standby? [11:12] schestowitz__ Used to be weeks [11:13] vZS1_2 I think it's 20 days [11:13] schestowitz__ before those things vomited out data every 10 secs [11:13] vmg3 i miss my old nokia 95 [11:13] vZS1_2 Yeah, I think 20 days on standby [11:13] schestowitz__ you can take it ona long trip [11:13] schestowitz__ without taking all sorts of "kits" [11:14] schestowitz__ or "adapters" if it's crapple [11:14] vmg3 much can change in 10 years [11:14] schestowitz__ not for the better [11:14] schestowitz__ sometimes for the better [11:14] schestowitz__ to up the morale think of dark ages [11:14] schestowitz__ slavery [11:14] schestowitz__ women not voting, treated like "property" [11:14] vmg3 lol [11:14] schestowitz__ so you generally know things CAN improve, sometimes [11:14] schestowitz__ life expectancy also [11:14] vZS1_2 I will be doing a document drop for you in the next week or two, schestowitz__. Via email. [11:15] vZS1_2 Just a heads up [11:15] schestowitz__ in saudi barbaria women are still subhuman [11:15] schestowitz__ so the changes aren't universal [11:15] schestowitz__ they just try to sort of 'fit' in with the world [11:15] vmg3 i remember with shareware the inevitable upgrade would come and you would have to downgrade to get all the features back [11:16] schestowitz__ In the news today: [11:16] schestowitz__ [10:47] NEWS #NPR #PressFreedom U.S. Intelligence: Saudi Terrorist Approved Operation To Kill Jamal Khashoggi https://text.npr.org/971215788 [11:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-text.npr.org | U.S. Intelligence: Saudi Crown Prince Approved Operation To Kill Jamal Khashoggi [11:16] schestowitz__ [10:46] NEWS #TheHill #PressFreedom #Biden holds off punishing Saudi Terrorist MBS, despite US intel https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/540793-biden-holds-off-punishing-saudi-crown-prince-despite-intel-finding [11:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden holds off punishing Saudi crown prince, despite US intel | TheHill [11:16] vmg3 Turkey told us the day it happened [11:16] schestowitz__ they belatedly pay the price for this [11:16] vZS1_2 Sleepy Joe is the real terrorist [11:16] schestowitz__ wasn't worth it (killing just one person) [11:16] schestowitz__ Sleepy doesn't lose sleep over it [11:16] schestowitz__ he's getting on with the program [11:16] vmg3 alll puppets [11:17] vZS1_2 Terrorising domestic journalists with espionage act [11:17] schestowitz__ oil, war, and yachts [11:17] vmg3 kiddies [11:17] schestowitz__ Trump was even worse [11:17] schestowitz__ he bragged that he covered up for the Green Terrorist [11:17] vmg3 he was just a bad liar [11:17] schestowitz__ and said he owned him [11:17] schestowitz__ "I saved your arse" [11:17] schestowitz__ that's what he reportedly told the terrorist [11:17] vZS1_2 Sleepy Joe is just as bad. It's the propaganda machine that makes him "seem" better [11:18] vmg3 yeah agreed [11:18] vZS1_2 It's the ratchet effect. [11:18] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: good bombs [11:18] schestowitz__ in Syria [11:18] vZS1_2 Trump pushes to the right [11:18] schestowitz__ Liberal bombs [11:18] vZS1_2 Sleepy Joe makes sure it doesn't move back [11:18] vmg3 they are both rw [11:18] schestowitz__ with rainbow coloured facets [11:18] schestowitz__ until they detonate [11:18] vmg3 should have been bernie [11:18] schestowitz__ then the rainbows are mostly red-stained [11:19] karolyi[m] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrQJc4HAUeE [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Interview with whistle-blower Emma Reilly on China's infiltration of the UN - YouTube [11:19] vZS1_2 The USA propaganda and war machine will never let a candiate like Sanders take control of the executive branch. [11:19] schestowitz__ yesterday: https://fair.org/home/trump-briefings-always-news-biden-briefings-not-news/ [11:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fair.org | Trump Briefings? Always News. Biden Briefings? Not News. FAIR [11:19] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: coz marxist [11:20] schestowitz__ either bezos becomes trillionaire [11:20] vZS1_2 Worse than a marxist [11:20] schestowitz__ of you are a bolshevik [11:20] vZS1_2 _Reformer_ [11:20] vmg3 cant have fair representation nope [11:20] vZS1_2 Rerformers are worse than communists [11:20] schestowitz__ either you support Sleepy [11:20] schestowitz__ or you support sedition [11:20] vmg3 lol [11:20] schestowitz__ Choose Cheeto of Sleepy [11:20] schestowitz__ nothing else matters [11:21] schestowitz__ like in 2016 when we convinced many to vote Green [11:21] schestowitz__ and many did indeed [11:21] schestowitz__ 4-fold growth over the previous election cycle [11:21] vZS1_2 Communists won't get anything done. Bernie is a practical reformer. He's the plutocrat's worst nightmare. [11:21] schestowitz__ and then the "Greens" elected Trump, they tell us.. [11:21] *DVulgaris (~quassel@147.236.153.9) has joined #techrights [11:22] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: don't worry, they can "take care" of "old Bernie" [11:22] schestowitz__ yesterday: [11:22] schestowitz__ https://www.democracynow.org/2021/2/26/malcolm_x_assassination_investigation_ilyasah_shabazz [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | We Want the Truth Uncovered: Malcolm Xs Daughter Ilyasah Shabazz Backs New Probe into Assassination | Democracy Now! [11:22] schestowitz__ https://www.democracynow.org/2021/2/26/raymond_wood_reggie_wood_malcolm_x [11:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.democracynow.org | The Assassination of Malcolm X: Ex-Undercover Officer Admits Role in FBI & Police Conspiracy | Democracy Now! [11:22] schestowitz__ If they did this to Malcolm, why not MLK too? [11:22] vmg3 no links im drunk [11:22] schestowitz__ It's not like they're trying to kill an Australia in the UK... who has no US connections [11:23] vZS1_2 "High tech terrorist" [11:23] schestowitz__ *Australian [11:23] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: said Moscow Mitch [11:23] vZS1_2 And Sleepy Joe agrees with Moscow Mitch [11:23] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: he set up a web site [11:23] schestowitz__ that's obviously terrorism [11:24] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: he said it's closer to terrorism than Pentagon Papers [11:24] schestowitz__ Ellsberg [11:24] vmg3 cause he knows PHP [11:24] vZS1_2 PHP is terrorism. Javascript or you're a terrorist [11:24] vmg3 lol [11:25] vmg3 I read something the other day on morse code injection obfuscated [11:26] vmg3 everything thats old is new againg [11:26] schestowitz__ you can do encryption in morse [11:26] schestowitz__ similar to german ENIGMA [11:26] vmg3 s/again/againg [11:26] vmg3 yeah [11:26] vZS1_2 Encryption is a special case of encoding. And you can encode any data stream. [11:26] schestowitz__ now we have more complexity [11:26] schestowitz__ so it's harder to check for back doors [11:26] schestowitz__ the back doors can even be at the GUI front end [11:26] schestowitz__ or the kernel [11:26] schestowitz__ or the hardware something [11:27] schestowitz__ like fake encropy claims [11:27] schestowitz__ and RNG [11:27] vmg3 i have trouble with my back door if i ride my bike to far [11:27] schestowitz__ at motherboard level [11:27] schestowitz__ with a billion transistors LOL [11:27] schestowitz__ and an ME [11:27] vZS1_2 A letter it technically also a data stream, kind of. [11:27] vmg3 M$ ME? [11:27] schestowitz__ because you want another OS (Minix) you cannot change... on your motherwboard [11:27] vZS1_2 s/it/is/ [11:27] vmg3 i'm confused [11:28] schestowitz__ mjg59 has got it all figured out [11:28] schestowitz__ security is letting the hardware decide [11:28] vmg3 more beer [11:28] schestowitz__ with Microsoft-signed keys [11:28] schestowitz__ in some proprietary remote framework [11:28] schestowitz__ that's "security" [11:28] schestowitz__ "trust Microsoft and Intel" [11:28] schestowitz__ what frauds [11:28] schestowitz__ mjg59 studies all those transistors [11:28] schestowitz__ so it's safe [11:29] schestowitz__ he printed out the schema [11:29] vmg3 we rest on our laurels and get overtaken [11:29] schestowitz__ went like, "yup, yup... looks legit" [11:29] vZS1_2 Did you get your Azure clown certification for that? [11:29] schestowitz__ a must0have [11:29] vZS1_2 You need to go to clown college! [11:29] schestowitz__ says microsoft-funded media [11:29] schestowitz__ azure has layoffs [11:29] schestowitz__ but the media doesn't talk about it [11:30] schestowitz__ that theatens ad renewals [11:30] schestowitz__ Microsoft blasted away BILLIONS just on azure spam [11:30] schestowitz__ for 5+ years [11:30] schestowitz__ it's everywhere in sites for geeks [11:30] vZS1_2 Btw, my IPFS node will be going offline for a few days. [11:30] vZS1_2 I'm doing a fresh OpenBSD install on it [11:30] schestowitz__ even in pages that have nothing to do with Azure [11:30] vmg3 flowchart or it never happened \ [11:31] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: maybe I will keep ipfs turned on in that interim [11:31] schestowitz__ I did some kernel-level traffic-shaming to reduce the strain it causes [11:32] vZS1_2 I no longer want to have GNU/IBM on my machines [11:33] vmg3 poisoned [11:34] vmg3 linus needs to kick some arse [11:34] schestowitz__ vmg3: but IBM fights racism [11:34] schestowitz__ LF has many new pages about it [11:34] vmg3 lol [11:34] schestowitz__ stop being racist, vZS1_2 [11:35] vmg3 he'd make em cry [11:35] vZS1_2 I can take my GNU software wherever I want. I have no more desire to work with IBM's kernel. I've had it with their bullshit. [11:35] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-28-155.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [11:36] vmg3 always bsd i guess [11:37] vmg3 havent been there for a while [11:37] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148229 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [11:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [11:37] vZS1_2 I've tried others as well. The world is more than POSIX. [11:38] vZS1_2 Especially on embedded devices. You don't need a POSIX for everything. [11:38] schestowitz__ the mars mission uses vxworks [11:38] schestowitz__ it works for them [11:38] schestowitz__ but... [11:38] schestowitz__ proprietary [11:38] schestowitz__ many years if testing [11:38] vmg3 never going back [11:38] schestowitz__ ans I assume small attack surface [11:39] vmg3 never [11:39] vZS1_2 POSIX is slowly getting more bloat [11:39] schestowitz__ they don't support the latest azure 'features' [11:39] schestowitz__ Some hours ago http://lxer.com/ added Microsoft Tim: [11:39] schestowitz__ it's down now [11:39] vZS1_2 I have microcontrollers that I control over GPIO with assembly. I can handle my own computing. [11:40] schestowitz__ but it's about Linux adding Hyper-V 'features' [11:40] schestowitz__ proprietary [11:40] vmg3 enterprise can eat the cheese [11:40] schestowitz__ I don't want that in my kernel [11:40] *DVulgaris_ (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [11:40] vZS1_2 I don't need a POSIX to turn on a gangway. [11:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Recv failure: Connection reset by peer ( status 0 @ http://lxer.com/ ) [11:41] schestowitz__ This guy: https://www.itwriting.com/blog/1206-hands-on-with-hyper-v-its-brilliant.html [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwriting.com | Hands on with Hyper-V: its brilliant | Tim Anderson's IT Writing [11:41] vZS1_2 CS101:2021: POSIX to turn on an LED. [11:41] schestowitz__ El Reg now pays this Microsoft booster's salary [11:41] vmg3 im down to 3 words a min with %12 accuracy [11:41] schestowitz__ New: celebrate, peasants https://www.theregister.com/2020/09/15/microsoft_submits_linux_kernel_patches/ [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Microsoft submits Linux kernel patches for a 'complete virtualization stack' with Linux and Hyper-V The Register [11:41] schestowitz__ https://www.theregister.com/Author/Tim-Anderson [11:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Tim Anderson The Register [11:41] vZS1_2 Azure: come get your clown certifications from our clown college [11:42] vZS1_2 GCP and Amazon also have clown colleges [11:42] schestowitz__ Lxer linked to this: https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/17/linux_as_root_partition_on_hyper_v/ [11:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Linux as root partition on Hyper-V: Microsoft submits patches for kernel 5.12 The Register [11:42] schestowitz__ notice how many of his articles are STILL Microsoft [11:42] vZS1_2 s/Amazon/AWS/ [11:42] vmg3 There's a patch for that [11:42] vZS1_2 TheMicrosoftRegister? Why are you surprised? [11:42] schestowitz__ AWS is NOT AMAZON! [11:42] schestowitz__ GitHUB is NOT MICROSOFT [11:42] schestowitz__ YoUTUBE is NOT Google [11:42] schestowitz__ Red Hat is its own company [11:42] schestowitz__ IBM was scammed [11:43] schestowitz__ it was led to think it bought Red Hat [11:43] schestowitz__ Fedora is NOT IBM [11:43] vmg3 slow down [11:43] vZS1_2 CentOS did not get killed by IBM [11:43] schestowitz__ :-D [11:43] vZS1_2 It was Red Hat's decision! [11:43] schestowitz__ vZS1_2: it was reborn [11:43] schestowitz__ "streams of blood everywhere" [11:43] *DVulgaris has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [11:43] vmg3 pandemic [11:43] schestowitz__ IBM doesn't decided about Red Hat [11:43] schestowitz__ they gave Red Hat its own CEO, Paul [11:44] schestowitz__ Red Hat's prior CEO is not IBM President [11:44] schestowitz__ but he has no power [11:44] schestowitz__ he's like Queen of England really [11:44] vZS1_2 So you're telling me [11:44] vZS1_2 Paul's a Queen? [11:44] vmg3 lol [11:44] schestowitz__ No, James is a Queen [11:44] schestowitz__ Queen of IBM [11:44] schestowitz__ The Prime Minister is Krishna [11:44] schestowitz__ and he loves Linux [11:44] schestowitz__ they told us [11:44] schestowitz__ well, when they bought Red Hat [11:45] schestowitz__ I researched hard [11:45] vZS1_2 The only Krishna I know is a Hindu god [11:45] schestowitz__ could not find evidence he uses Linux on his laptop [11:45] schestowitz__ James Whitehurst uses a Mac [11:45] schestowitz__ whitehu [11:45] vmg3 yeah backslash is a switch [11:45] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/ [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isnt Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights [11:46] techrights-bot Now that IBM is removing 'offensive' words it needs to ask its President (James/Jim) to change his surname [11:46] vZS1_2 He needs a name fit for the Queen he is [11:47] schestowitz__ Jim Greyhurst [11:47] schestowitz__ or Grayhurst [11:47] schestowitz__ he's American [11:47] schestowitz__ maybe they will tell me there are also "gray people" [11:47] vmg3 cause aliens [11:48] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/06/20/language-sanitation-wave/ [11:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Humour/Meme] Are Traffic Lights Offensive to So-called Redskins? | Techrights [11:49] schestowitz__ http://lxer.com/ still down [11:49] schestowitz__ lots of downtimes so far this year [11:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://lxer.com/ ) [11:49] schestowitz__ and LinuxToday is also struggling on many fronts [11:49] schestowitz__ Lxer posting lots of Microsoft Tim links is worrying [11:49] schestowitz__ and it can alienate readers, IMHO [11:53] vmg3 i smell food [11:54] vZS1_2 Don't worry. There are things brewing that's going to knock their legs out from under them. [11:55] vZS1_2 Their stupidity is their worst enemy, anyway [11:56] vZS1_2 Look at the leaks you've got already. People aren't going to put up with their BS forever [11:56] vmg3 look at raspberry pi they have no shame [11:57] vZS1_2 s/pi/spy/ [11:57] vmg3 lol [11:57] techrights-bot "Tibetan language teaching is outlawed and urbanisation campaigns relocate nomads from their ancestral pastures." https://mastodon.social/@glynmoody/105804486108842003 [11:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Glyn Moody: "Tibet: The Final Solution? - https://chinachann" - Mastodon [11:57] vZS1_2 There are more Uighurs in Chinese concentration camps than there were Jews in concentration camps during the Holocaust [11:57] vZS1_2 Look it up [11:58] techrights-bot From same publication that takes money from the world's biggest polluter, #billgates https://mastodon.social/@glynmoody/105797740839981007 [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mastodon.social | Glyn Moody: "If the UK government won't stop industrial fishin" - Mastodon [11:58] techrights-bot "Wow, I cant believe its been 24 whole days since my last post! Its been quite a productive time, and one full of surprises." https://michel-slm.name/posts/2021-02-26-software-wetware/ [11:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-michel-slm.name | Software and Wetware: Taking a short hiatus :: Penses de Michel Personal thoughts and musings [11:59] vmg3 but the measure stick must be broken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia [11:59] techrights-bot #perl at #fosdem https://fosdem.org/2021/schedule/event/perl_the_hidden_gem/ [11:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosdem.org | FOSDEM 2021 - Perl, the hidden automation gem [11:59] vZS1_2 I am mad at the Perl people. And the Raku people. They still use ShitHub ● Feb 28 [12:00] vZS1_2 Perl is not as bad as Raku though. [12:00] vmg3 I'm mad at everyone [12:00] schestowitz__ They might find nobody uses them [12:00] schestowitz__ you use microsoft, users walk away [12:00] vZS1_2 At least Perl runs some of their own infra [12:00] vZS1_2 Raku is 100% Microsoft ShitHub [12:01] vZS1_2 Which is why I don't use Raku anymore [12:01] vZS1_2 And I used to campaign heavily for Raku adoption [12:01] vZS1_2 But their lack of action on Raku saddened me [12:01] vZS1_2 s/Raku/ShitHub/ [12:02] vZS1_2 I still think they are good people but they have GIAFAM moles inside [12:03] vmg3 I really need some goodnews [12:03] vmg3 or food [12:04] vZS1_2 On the bright side, I've found a lot of great people who are just as dead set against ShitHub as I am. We're getting a lot done "behind the scenes". [12:05] vZS1_2 So there's some goodnews [12:05] vmg3 now feed me [12:05] vZS1_2 Kind of why I've been absent from IRC. Been too busy. [12:05] vmg3 i shall return [12:06] vmg3 It's sunday [12:06] techrights-bot "Im just like everybody else, and Ive had more than enough." https://heritage.umich.edu/stories/the-assassins-widow/ [12:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heritage.umich.edu | The Assassins Widow | University of Michigan Heritage Project [12:06] vmg3 yeah i miss twitter but it fuck right off [12:07] techrights-bot Hardware RAID for the fastest Raspberry Pi CM4 NAS! https://youtu.be/Zpfq8ZC2hyI just be sure to remove #microsoft from it because the #raspi Foundation certainly won't. http://techrights.org/2021/02/10/raspi-part-5/ [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Hardware RAID for the fastest Raspberry Pi CM4 NAS! - YouTube [12:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Raspberry Pied in the Face Part V: Raspberry Bye? The Lost of Trust is Pervasive and the (Un)Official Response Unhelpful | Techrights [12:08] techrights-bot The CCP has underlined its determination to choose the next Dalai Lama, and Tibetans were recently urged by their Party Secretary to "reduce religious consumption" to build a "new modern socialist Tibet." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/20181094 [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody@joindiaspora.com: Tibet: The Final Solution? - https://chinachannel.org/2021/02/25/tibet-the-final-solution/ " Tibetan language teaching is outlawed and urbanisation campaigns relocate nomads from their ancestral pastures." not just #uyghurgenocide, #tibetangenocide too... #china [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> chinachannel.org | Tibet: The 'Final Solution'? China Channel [12:08] *cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [12:08] vmg3 salami cheese and crackers all round [12:09] techrights-bot "Let us examine some unique attributes of Bitcoin and ask ourselves two questions: i) Can it be banned? and ii) If it can be banned, should it be?" https://www.deccanherald.com/specials/sunday-spotlight/the-most-profound-revolution-of-our-times-bitcoin-956221.html [12:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.deccanherald.com | The most profound revolution of our times: Bitcoin | Deccan Herald [12:09] vZS1_2 schestowitz__: I'm heading off for now. My IPFS node will probably be unavailable over the next 2 weeks. Should resume to normal after. [12:10] vZS1_2 o/ and have a good Sunday [12:10] *vZS1_2 has quit (Quit: vZS1_2) [12:10] vmg3 noice chatt [12:12] schestowitz__ [12:03] I really need some goodnews [12:12] schestowitz__ rocky linux dumped github [12:12] schestowitz__ I was probably the first to pressure them to [12:12] vmg3 thatis good [12:12] schestowitz__ not sure if others followed [12:12] schestowitz__ but they now have their own gitlab instance [12:13] *DVulgaris_ has quit (Quit: Catch you later.) [12:13] vmg3 i only used cent in docker anyway [12:13] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [12:13] schestowitz__ yesterday we struggled a bit with systemd [12:13] schestowitz__ on debian [12:13] schestowitz__ after changing a daemon [12:14] schestowitz__ that introduces more complexity than necessary [12:14] schestowitz__ even a cron job would be simpler [12:14] schestowitz__ it caused unpredictable behaviour [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:24] ok the system script is fixed, I'll copy a backup to ~/bin [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:25] Cheers, I'll test what existing scripts we have. I see that logging still goes into gemini-2021-02-27.log in ADDITION to the other file? Maybe two service running at the same time? Have not checked..... [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:28] Hmm. That means a bug in the systemd file, I'll get it [12:14] vmg3 the world is full of that [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:29] the rest all seems to work now, I'll make it easier for me to monitor now, esp. as we tend to attract some crazy bots (two of them yesterday) [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:34] KillMode=process [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:34] needed to be [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:34] KillMode=control-group [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:34] or [12:14] schestowitz__ [15:34] KillMode=mixed [12:15] schestowitz__ [15:34] The IBM way of doing think. IBM is not mast... I mean, leader in Linux [12:15] schestowitz__ [15:34] The IBM way of doing things. IBM is not mast... I mean, leader in Linux [12:15] schestowitz__ [15:35] systemd is not about making things easier or more efficent, one look [12:15] schestowitz__ [15:35] at the code belies that. What systemd appears to be about is IBM [12:15] schestowitz__ [15:35] carrying through on M$ old goals of decommodifying Linux [12:15] schestowitz__ [15:35] It's getting too complex for any amateur or part-timer [12:16] vmg3 thats true and the problem [12:17] vmg3 you guys leave me eating dust [12:18] vmg3 how are people supposed to keep abreast of it all [12:19] *tr_guest|18010 (56a53f6e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.165.63.110) has joined #techrights [12:19] *tr_guest|18010 has quit (Client Quit) [12:20] vmg3 i have a bit of time to waste and either break it and move on or devise a bridge most people just want shit to work [12:25] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [12:27] schestowitz__ gnu linux keeps changing [12:27] schestowitz__ few things do stay the same [12:27] schestowitz__ and then they're berated... "old" code [12:27] schestowitz__ like x11 [12:27] schestowitz__ even if that works [12:27] schestowitz__ so the bring in some buggy wayland on wheels, inside some wooden horse [12:27] vmg3 start x still works for me [12:27] schestowitz__ and say "x server" is old tech [12:28] schestowitz__ even if it works well for me [12:28] schestowitz__ it matured for many years [12:28] schestowitz__ not much left to improve in it [12:28] vmg3 i remember the first time i ran linux [12:28] schestowitz__ even the code is cleanly written and extensive [12:28] schestowitz__ that's how for ibm to monetise I suppose [12:28] schestowitz__ as communities can package it up [12:28] vmg3 just a grey sceen with an x for the mouse [12:28] schestowitz__ no need to buy ibm [12:29] vmg3 486 25mhz [12:29] schestowitz__ wow, slow clock [12:29] vmg3 6 floppy [12:29] vmg3 yes [12:29] schestowitz__ 5.25? [12:29] vmg3 no 1.25 [12:29] schestowitz__ do you reckon you can fire up SLACK on 23mhz? [12:29] vmg3 it was slak [12:29] schestowitz__ to do "chat"? [12:30] schestowitz__ no, I mean the company [12:30] schestowitz__ bought by salesforce [12:30] schestowitz__ copying irc [12:30] schestowitz__ 30 years later [12:30] vmg3 no [12:30] schestowitz__ 500MB of RAM tabs [12:30] schestowitz__ for irc [12:30] vmg3 i didn't last long [12:30] schestowitz__ with keylogger and mouse tracking [12:30] schestowitz__ not for you, for them [12:30] vmg3 i have an acct but dont use it [12:31] vmg3 its not my scene [12:31] vmg3 i think i said it before the world is html centric [12:32] vmg3 even ftp blows people [12:32] vmg3 talk irc or usenet and jaws drop [12:32] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams #classwar 'All You Need to Know': Here Are the 210 House Republicansand Two DemocratsWho Voted to Deny Struggling Nation Covid-19 Relief https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/02/27/all-you-need-know-here-are-210-house-republicans-and-two-democrats-who-voted-deny [12:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | 'All You Need to Know': Here Are the 210 House Republicansand Two DemocratsWho Voted to Deny Struggling Nation Covid-19 Relief | Common Dreams News [12:33] schestowitz__ vmg3: 2010: "slack is like IRC" [12:33] vmg3 i know a couple of pro coders that dont even know what linux is [12:33] schestowitz__ 2021: "IRC is kind of like Slack" [12:33] schestowitz__ people invert history [12:33] vmg3 they make it work in a browser [12:34] vmg3 pisses me off [12:34] schestowitz__ 'browser' [12:34] schestowitz__ 200MB binary [12:34] schestowitz__ to 'read' [12:34] vmg3 yep [12:34] schestowitz__ 'browse\ [12:34] schestowitz__ 'supposedly' [12:34] schestowitz__ who reads who? [12:35] vmg3 how do they turn it into $ [12:35] vmg3 personal data and adds [12:35] vmg3 now with phones its location spending and thoughts [12:36] vmg3 so many people dont even know their phone can listen to them [12:36] vmg3 don't believe it [12:37] techrights-bot "Advancing the Role of Women in the Intellectual Property Ecosystem" = making #patent extremists have more political clout by getting more people involved https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/02/uspto-womens-entrepreneurship-symposium.html #monopolies #femmewashing [12:37] vmg3 preposterous [12:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: USPTO Women's Entrepreneurship Symposium [12:37] vmg3 when you said slack i thought puppy [12:38] techrights-bot #Zrythm 1.0.0-alpha.12.0.1 release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148230 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zrythm 1.0.0-alpha.12.0.1 release | Tux Machines [12:38] techrights-bot Shipping #Debian with #GNOME X.XX.0 is an extremely bad idea http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148231 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [12:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Shipping Debian with GNOME X.XX.0 is an extremely bad idea | Tux Machines [12:39] vmg3 slax [12:40] vmg3 i have some gripes with linux but they are nothing compared to M$ [12:40] vmg3 there is always a distro that i find a little pleasure in [12:41] techrights-bot Oligarchs: If you raise the minimum wage, we'll have to fire many workers = If you compel us to pay a living wage, we'll have to give up some of our ill-gotten wealth and pass that to people whom we've long exploited to amass it in the first place [12:41] vmg3 old machines love some distros [12:41] vmg3 another think wikileaks blew out of the water with wages [12:42] vmg3 all the old military reports on china and russia [12:42] vmg3 said this time was 20 years away [12:42] schestowitz__ 'old' [12:42] schestowitz__ still applicable [12:42] vmg3 a little power hungry [12:42] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2020/08/01/ibm-and-the-bomb-part-4/ [12:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and the Bomb Part IV: IBMs Watson Came Under Fire for Representing the U.S. in U.S.S.R./Russia With No Qualifications or Any Relevant Experience | Techrights [12:42] vmg3 but still useful [12:43] vmg3 shit i have a single core celeron i still use as a lab [12:43] vmg3 laptop [12:44] techrights-bot #FakeLeft #Biden Can Be the #FDR of Democracy https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/02/27/biden-can-be-fdr-democracy while dropping bombs in Syria. "Sleepy" OBOMBA VP. [12:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Biden Can Be the FDR of Democracy [12:44] vmg3 cant throw that shit away [12:44] schestowitz__ if it works, why discard? [12:44] schestowitz__ main issue is running costs in the electricity sense [12:45] vmg3 i wouldnt keep a desktop of that age [12:45] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams #fakeLeft #TwoPartySystem Opinion | With Biden's Jen Psaki at the Podium, Corporate Outlets No Longer Think Briefings Newsworthy https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/02/27/bidens-jen-psaki-podium-corporate-outlets-no-longer-think-briefings-newsworthy [12:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | With Biden's Jen Psaki at the Podium, Corporate Outlets No Longer Think Briefings Newsworthy [12:45] vmg3 but I have neighbours bring me their pc that cant handle win and load a linux on there and they joy on their face is amazing [12:46] vmg3 a couple want to punch me [12:47] vmg3 it's the "change" that hurts them most [12:48] vmg3 same with telling people they read a shit newspaper [12:48] vmg3 some are just going to be upset [12:50] vmg3 linux has been an adventure [12:50] vmg3 for me [12:51] vmg3 with no training it's hard to explain to the non technical person [12:53] vmg3 salami and beer taste in my mouth time for me to go [12:53] vmg3 o/ ● Feb 28 [13:02] techrights-bot NEWS #CommonDreams Opinion | Charity Won't End Vaccine ApartheidOnly Challenging Big Pharma's #Patents and Profits Will https://www.commondreams.org/views/2021/02/27/charity-wont-end-vaccine-apartheid-only-challenging-big-pharmas-patents-and-profits #twitter BANS people who bring up the subject: http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/twitter-censorship-bingo/ [13:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Opinion | Charity Won't End Vaccine ApartheidOnly Challenging Big Pharma's Patents and Profits Will [13:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Twitter Has Just Suspended the President of FFII for Naming Bill Gates Patent Profiteering and Factual Information About Twitter Censorship (Updated) | Techrights [13:03] schestowitz__ vmg3: 0/ [13:06] techrights-bot #Lyra audio codec enables high-quality voice calls at 3 kbps bitrate http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148220#comment-28445 #google : spread #webp and spreading our codecs online... [13:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google for Slow Connections and Mozilla on Accessibility | Tux Machines [13:06] techrights-bot Edit video on Linux with this Python app http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148232 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [13:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Edit video on Linux with this Python app | Tux Machines [13:56] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [13:57] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:57] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:58] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Feb 28 [14:12] techrights-bot #WIPO alongside crooked universities funded by right-wing extremists to protects oligarchs with #patents http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/02/sunday-surprises_28.html [14:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Sunday Surprises - The IPKat [14:18] techrights-bot WTF? How did #itwire manage to make an article about #apple something a piece of #microsoft propaganda for #office360 #surveillance ?! https://www.itwire.com/home-it/first-look-the-2020-macbook-air-with-m1-processor-wow.html [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - First look - the 2020 MacBook Air with M1 processor - wow! [14:18] techrights-bot Attackers collaborate to exploit CVE-2021-21972 and CVE-2021-21973 - Blueliv https://www.blueliv.com/cyber-security-and-cyber-threat-intelligence-blog-blueliv/attackers-collaborate-to-exploit-cve-2021-21972-and-cve-2021-21973/ [14:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Attackers collaborate to exploit CVE-2021-21972 and CVE-2021-21973 - Blueliv [14:25] *Researcher- has quit (*.net *.split) [14:25] *Researcher- (iana@64.140.159.183) has joined #techrights ● Feb 28 [15:23] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:23] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:43] techrights-bot #LinuxMint Monthly News February 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148233 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [15:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Monthly News February 2021 | Tux Machines [15:51] techrights-bot The Fall of #TheRegister http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ [15:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | Techrights [15:55] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:56] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:57] techrights-bot More buzzwords. Servers you can shoot with a rifle and they'll be robust enough to keep operating in spite of the bullets. :-) http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/what-is-bulletproof-hosting [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxandubuntu.com | What Is Bulletproof Hosting ● Feb 28 [16:08] techrights-bot #LinuxMint 's Update Manager To Encourage Users To Apply #Security Updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148233#comment-28446 #gnu #linux [16:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Monthly News February 2021 | Tux Machines [16:18] techrights-bot You Know #GeminiSpace is Getting a Lot Bigger When You Need to Implement #DDOS Protection http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/gemini-ddos-protection/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/gemini-ddos-protection/ [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | You Know Gemini Space is Getting a Lot Bigger When You Need to Implement DDOS Protection | Techrights [16:18] techrights-bot And Now For Something Completely Different http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148234 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #xfce #freesw [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | And Now For Something Completely Different | Tux Machines [16:38] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [16:38] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [16:43] *cubexyz has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [16:45] *cubexyz (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #techrights [16:47] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:59] MinceR https://ircz.de/p/2102158 [16:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (5239420) ● Feb 28 [17:01] *genr8 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:01] *genr8 (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techrights [17:07] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148235 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [17:08] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [17:09] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [17:29] techrights-bot The Command Line for Weather and Football Scores, Among Other Stuff http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-command-line-for-weather-and-football-scores-among-other-stuff/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-command-line-for-weather-and-football-scores-among-other-stuff/ [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Command Line for Weather and Football Scores, Among Other Stuff | Techrights [17:29] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [17:29] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Feb 28 [18:09] techrights-bot #Testdisk To Recover Data From Deleted Flash Disk Drive http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148239 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Testdisk To Recover Data From Deleted Flash Disk Drive | Tux Machines [18:09] techrights-bot The #Kate #TextEditor - February 2021 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148238 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Kate Text Editor - February 2021 | Tux Machines [18:09] techrights-bot #Xfce s Apps Update for February 2021 Improves the Task Manager, Thunar, and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148237 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Xfces Apps Update for February 2021 Improves the Task Manager, Thunar, and More | Tux Machines [18:10] techrights-bot Top 10 #VersionControl Systems for Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148236 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 Version Control Systems for Linux | Tux Machines [18:19] techrights-bot #Mageia 8 Released with Better ARM Support and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148240 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [18:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mageia 8 Released with Better ARM Support and More | Tux Machines [18:20] techrights-bot A word of caution about #TheRegister , a British publisher that nowadays does a lot of #reputationlaundering for #Microsoft and #BillGates http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/ [18:33] DaemonFC[m] I was trying to get better support for WavPack and Musepack SV8 in Fedora. [18:34] DaemonFC[m] Apparently, the reason they were never well supported was patent concerns. [18:34] DaemonFC[m] But both are more than 20 years old now and any such patents would be expired. [18:34] techrights-bot #Techrights is currently working on tools or programs that help detect and respond to #DDOS attacks (or abusive over-consumption of pages) over gemini:// http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/gemini-ddos-protection/ #Techrights #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/gemini-ddos-protection/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [18:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [18:35] DaemonFC[m] The patent concerns are ridiculous on their face because if they might have been encumbered, so might FLAC, Vorbis, and Ogg Theora, which was actually far more likely, in fact. [18:36] DaemonFC[m] This is precisely the problem. Anything non-trivial could certainly be patented, however, David Bryant was open with the methods that he was implementing and said that he only implemented compression methods that were known to be unencumbered in 1999. [18:37] DaemonFC[m] Xiph.org's only statement was that they wouldn't take out patents and assert them against you. They didn't make any claim that they actively avoided the possibility that FLAC and Vorbis were encumbered. [18:39] techrights-bot A lot of stuff can be done from the #commandline and productivity (not to mention #privacy ) enhanced by automation and scripting over the We http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-command-line-for-weather-and-football-scores-among-other-stuff/ #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-command-line-for-weather-and-football-scores-among-ot [18:40] DaemonFC[m] Xiph seems to be a natural partner for GAFAM. [18:40] DaemonFC[m] And you notice that Facebook and Apple are even embracing them now. [18:41] techrights-bot More stuff you probably don't need in your already-bloated kernel https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Apple-Touch-Bar-For-Linux #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux [18:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple Touch Bar Linux Driver Hopes For Upstream In 2021 - Phoronix [18:41] DaemonFC[m] Xiph accepted the Microsoft patents in Opus under the "conforming implementations" term. [18:42] DaemonFC[m] And that's dangerous because the language would seem to suggest that accidental undefined behavior deviates from the standard and opens you up to be sued by Microsoft. [18:42] techrights-bot #gpl means companies need to let go in order to participate in #linux https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Xilinx-Alveo-Open-Source-V3 [18:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Xilinx Volleys Latest Open-Source Alveo Accelerator Driver Code - Phoronix [18:42] DaemonFC[m] Hell, a compiler bug could even do it. [18:43] DaemonFC[m] If they make a bumper standard to close bugs in the SILK layer, are you a conforming implementation if you don't implement it right away and you have products that use the old version? This has already happened. [18:44] schestowitz__ Microsoft loves Microsoft [18:47] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, one big point of Opus was to make a uniform codec for general audio and low bitrate voice, and it could have already performed better than MP3 or AAC with only the CELT layer. [18:48] DaemonFC[m] It seems that Xiph was corrupted, because 20 years ago, of course they asked why he did Vorbis and Chris Montgomery's response was the FhG letter threatening to sue people for using MP3. [18:49] DaemonFC[m] Wikipedia can't be trusted. They say "Open Standard? Yes." on a bunch of stuff with patents where you could easily be sued by the person who says you can implement it. [18:50] DaemonFC[m] They seem to go by "RAND" licensing terms, with a specification available to determine what an open standard might be. [18:50] DaemonFC[m] All that means is you charge anyone the same amount of money and they get the patent license like anyone else would. [18:51] DaemonFC[m] If they don't pay, then of course you can sue. Very open. [18:51] DaemonFC[m] +2.35 million vaccine doses yesterday in the US. [18:52] DaemonFC[m] We're averaging 2.2 million per day now over the last week. [18:52] DaemonFC[m] So yes, it appears as if we are continuing to scale up. Drastically, even. Maybe I won't have to drive across half a state for my second dose. [18:53] DaemonFC[m] Chicago is a real mess. They keep proving that if something's worth doing, it's worth doing right. If it's not worth doing, give it to the government. [18:53] DaemonFC[m] But at least we're not like, MinceR's health minister. [18:53] DaemonFC[m] May the Lord open! [18:55] techrights-bot Techrights Over 3 #Internet Protocols and From the Command Line, Using Either Curl/Wget/Text Editor (Over WWW) or #IPFS or #GeminiSpace http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/www-or-ipfs-or-gemini/ #Techrights #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/www-or-ipfs-or-gemini/ [18:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Over 3 Internet Protocols and From the Command Line, Using Either Curl/Wget/Text Editor (Over WWW) or IPFS or Gemini | Techrights [18:59] techrights-bot #KaliLinux 2021.1 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148105#comment-28447 #security #gnu #linux [18:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kali Linux 2021.1 Release (Command-Not-Found) | Tux Machines ● Feb 28 [19:00] techrights-bot "Michael Larabel has also updated many existing benchmarks, including the ones for the commercial closed-source games Portal 2" https://linuxreviews.org/The_Phoronix_Test_Suite_Gains_Vulkan_Ray-Tracing_Benchmarks https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=February-2021-Benchmarks [19:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | The Phoronix Test Suite Gains Vulkan Ray-Tracing Benchmarks - LinuxReviews [19:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vulkan Ray-Tracing Along With Other New/Updated Benchmarks For February - Phoronix [19:02] techrights-bot syncing subtitles in freedom http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/blogs/lxo/2021-02-28-syncing-subtitles-in-freedom.en.html #freesw #emacs [19:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsfla.org | ::[FSFLA]:: syncing subtitles in freedom [19:02] techrights-bot 26 #Firefox Quantum About:Config Tricks You Need to Learn - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/28-coolest-firefox-aboutconfig-tricks/ #maketecheasier [19:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | 26 Firefox Quantum About:Config Tricks You Need to Learn - Make Tech Easier [19:06] techrights-bot A quick demo of how Techrights can be accessed without a browser, either over gemini:// or over http:// http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/www-or-ipfs-or-gemini/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/www-or-ipfs-or-gemini/ [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Could not resolve host: xn-- -1hn; Unknown error ( status 0 @ http:// ) [19:06] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148241 #google #Linux #TuxMachines [19:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:09] techrights-bot Linux 5.12 Features Intel Xe VRR, #Nintendo 64 Port + Clang LTO + Much More - Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-512-features&num=1 #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [19:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.12 Features Intel Xe VRR, Nintendo 64 Port + Clang LTO + Much More - Phoronix [19:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [19:10] techrights-bot "Notable copyleft licences include the GNU General Public License (GPL), originally written by Richard Stallman, which was the first software copyleft licence to see extensive use" https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/bits-bytes-miscellany-technology-7 [19:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theedgemarkets.com | Bits + Bytes : A Miscellany of Technology | The Edge Markets [19:15] techrights-bot Well before #python was taken over by #monopolies (notably GAFAM) it was a good #programming go-to set. Now they make your code obsolete by leaping to #python3 breakfest https://www.theregister.com/2021/02/20/python_at_30/ [19:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Happy birthday, Python, you're 30 years old this week: Easy to learn, and the right tool at the right time The Register [19:17] techrights-bot #Kodi v19 Matrix is here. Here's what you need to know http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/147860#comment-28448 #freesw #gnu #linux [19:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 19 "Matrix" Open-Source Home Theater Released, This Is What's New | Tux Machines [19:18] techrights-bot #Kernel : Linux 5.12 Features, Some #Xilinx Code Liberated, Apples Hardware Support Added http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148242 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: Linux 5.12 Features, Some Xilinx Code Liberated, Apple's Hardware Support Added | Tux Machines [19:18] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148243 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [19:34] techrights-bot Links 28/2/2021: #Nitrux 1.3.8 and #Kraft 0.96 http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/nitrux-1-3-8/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/nitrux-1-3-8/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [19:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/2/2021: Nitrux 1.3.8 and Kraft 0.96 | Techrights [19:35] techrights-bot #Benchmarks at #Phoronix and Phoronix Test Suite http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148244 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Benchmarks at Phoronix and Phoronix Test Suite | Tux Machines [19:35] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148245 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:38] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148246 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [19:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines ● Feb 28 [20:07] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [20:16] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [20:24] techrights-bot If the Web Can Be Increasingly Replaced (or Complemented) by Gemini and #IPFS Etc., Then Large Monopolists Will Try to Dominate Those http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/if-the-web-was-replaced/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/if-the-web-was-replaced/ [20:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | If the Web Can Be Increasingly Replaced (or Complemented) by Gemini and IPFS Etc., Then Large Monopolists Will Try to Dominate Those | Techrights [20:26] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/cybsecbot/status/1365951131596292096 [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cybsecbot: Latest articles about Ongoing threats RSS feed from the corresponding page on https://t.co/lfIEJcdlmK IRC Proceedi https://t.co/17pQcRDlpj [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> emm.newsbrief.eu | NewsBrief [20:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cybsecbot: Latest articles about Ongoing threats RSS feed from the corresponding page on https://t.co/lfIEJcdlmK IRC Proceedi https://t.co/17pQcRDlpj [20:29] techrights-bot This Week in Linux 140: Red Hat RHEL For FREE, Kali Linux, GNOME 40, Modular Laptops, DIY N64 ROMs | This Week in Linux - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/2021/02/thisweekinlinux-140/ #TuxDigital #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [20:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-140: Red Hat RHEL For FREE, Kali Linux, GNOME 40, Modular Laptops, DIY N64 ROMs | This Week in Linux - TuxDigital [20:32] techrights-bot Revisiting #Html in #Java https://benjiweber.co.uk/blog/2021/02/28/revisiting-html-in-java/ #benjiweber | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [20:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjiweber.co.uk | Revisiting Html in Java [20:34] techrights-bot "I also made the following changes to #diffoscope , including preparing and uploading versions 167 and 168 to #Debian ..." https://chris-lamb.co.uk/posts/free-software-activities-in-february-2021 [20:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chris-lamb.co.uk | Free software activities in February 2021 - Chris Lamb [20:35] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [20:35] techrights-bot Monopolists and sociopaths wont be clapping and cheering for whatever stands a chance of replacing the Web (or Big Banks) http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/if-the-web-was-replaced/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/if-the-web-was-replaced/ [20:36] *cybrNaut- has quit (Quit: bailing) [20:37] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@rrcs-67-53-148-69.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights [20:37] *cybrNaut has quit (Changing host) [20:37] *cybrNaut (~cybrNaut@unaffiliated/cybrnaut) has joined #techrights [20:37] techrights-bot You know #patent #law may have outlived its usefulness when it's mostly used for #embargo and #blackmail rather than #innovation or collaboration/coordination https://www.managingip.com/article/b1qqx0f9870pmz/why-companies-could-flock-to-the-itc-this-year [20:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Why companies could flock to the ITC this year | Managing Intellectual Property [20:38] techrights-bot FOSS Patents: Could a single state legislature topple both mobile app store #monopolies ? At least it could make a historical contribution. http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/02/could-single-state-legislature-topple.html #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [20:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Could a single state legislature topple both mobile app store monopolies? At least it could make a historical contribution. [20:40] techrights-bot #WireGuard is good because it is #freesw but much of the #vpn 'industry' is truly laughable #snakeoil scamming people into fake #privacy (they keep logs) https://www.techradar.com/news/heres-why-vpn-services-are-turning-to-wireguard [20:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Here's why VPN services are turning to WireGuard | TechRadar [20:41] techrights-bot "On my quest to a custom when-statement I did quite a bit of reading. The study of roast and Actions.nqp can lead to great gain in knowledge." #rakulang needs to #deletegithub https://gfldex.wordpress.com/2021/02/28/undocumented-escape-hatch/ [20:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gfldex.wordpress.com | Undocumented escape hatch | Playing Perl 6b6xA Raku [20:41] techrights-bot #Flameshot 0.9 Released with Global Shortcut Menu, Improved #Wayland Support http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148247 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [20:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Flameshot 0.9 Released with Global Shortcut Menu, Improved Wayland Support | Tux Machines [20:42] techrights-bot #IBM : the word "whitelist" is offensive, but our CEO "whitehurst" does not need to change his name. Because we at IBM are special kinds and masters of the universe... [20:43] techrights-bot #ibm is just the 'racist grandpa' of tech companies http://techrights.org/2021/02/20/misusing-the-linux-brand/ [20:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Misusing the Linux Brand for Reputation Laundering and Openwashing of Racist Companies (Which Profit From Racism) | Techrights [20:44] techrights-bot #IBM : our SECOND-BIGGEST client was Nazi Germany, but look at us now. We CHAMPION the fight against #racism (yeah right... NOT) http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/banning-the-word-master/ [20:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Fought for Master Race and Now Its Banning the Word Master | Techrights [20:45] techrights-bot Import: #ImageMagick Can Even Take Screenshots - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIYg_vYprmo #Video #freesw | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [20:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Import: ImageMagick Can Even Take Screenshots - YouTube [20:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [20:47] techrights-bot Well done to #india re #gnu #linux adoption. Don't let Epstein's BFF #billgates tell you (or corrupt #modi whom Gates bribes) tell you what to do... https://www.edexlive.com/news/2021/feb/21/kite-releases-new-free-and-open-sourcedoperating-system-kerala-18406.html [20:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KITE releases new, free and open-sourcedoperating system, to benefit lakhs of computerusers in Ker- Edexlive [20:51] mjg59 08:28 < schestowitz__> that's like saying "I pay tax in the UK", hence I'm culpable for Diego Garcia fiasco [20:51] mjg59 You probably don't have a meaningful choice about whether you pay tax in the UK [20:51] techrights-bot Shame on #InfoQ posting #microsoft spam and #googleboming the word #linux to promote an attack on it, #WSL , which almost nobody uses http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/ [20:51] mjg59 schestowitz__: But you *do* have a meaningful choice about whether you work for an organisation that, at the time, was led by a person who engaged in illegal acts [20:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights ● Feb 28 [21:06] techrights-bot Videos/Shows: #ImageMagick , GNU World Order, and #ThisWeekInLinux (TWIL) http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148248 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Videos/Shows: ImageMagick, GNU World Order, and This Week in Linux (TWIL) | Tux Machines [21:06] techrights-bot On Gangstalking and Victim-Blaming http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/pocock-on-victim-blaming/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/pocock-on-victim-blaming/ [21:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | On Gangstalking and Victim-Blaming | Techrights [21:10] techrights-bot #ubuntu -based #LinuxLite 5.4 RC1 is here to replace Microsoft #vista10 on your PC http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148207#comment-28449 [21:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Lite 5.4 Will Be Based on Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS, Release Candidate Ready for Testing | Tux Machines [21:12] schestowitz__ mjg59: I never worked >for< GLa [21:12] schestowitz__ That's like berating a gardener because one of his many clients was a Google employee like you [21:13] *gry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [21:16] techrights-bot "Thanks to the authors because the game is fully open-source" but needs to #deletegithub because that is #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly https://www.davidrevoy.com/article818/derivation-peppertown-video-game-by-congusbongus-and-starnavigator [21:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.davidrevoy.com | Derivation: Peppertown video-game by Congusbongus and StarNavigator - David Revoy [21:17] techrights-bot #RaspberryPi Powered LCD Chalkboard Smart Sign - Makers Corner, with Nate and Yannick https://makerscorner.tech/raspberry-pi-powered-lcd-chalkboard-smart-sign/ #makerscorner | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [21:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-makerscorner.tech | Raspberry Pi Powered LCD Chalkboard Smart Sign Makers Corner, with Nate and Yannick [21:18] techrights-bot "when considering that only about 4.7 billion people are online, COMB would include the data of nearly 70% of global internet users" https://cybernews.com/news/largest-compilation-of-emails-and-passwords-leaked-free/ [21:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-COMB - Biggest Data Breach of All Time Explained | CyberNews [21:18] mjg59 schestowitz__: You worked for a company that worked for GLA which was led by someone who wanted to engage in illegal acts against his electorate. I worked for a company that worked for the DoD doing development work that could be used to kill people. [21:19] mjg59 What's the difference between these things? [21:19] techrights-bot Signing one's own stuff to trust oneself ;-p https://www.lisenet.com/2021/create-your-own-certificate-authority-ca-for-homelab-environment/ [21:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Create Your Own Certificate Authority (CA) for Homelab Environment | Lisenet.com :: Linux | Security | Networking [21:20] schestowitz__ many differences [21:20] schestowitz__ Google itself is evil [21:20] schestowitz__ not just DoD [21:20] schestowitz__ You are in denial about what you joined [21:20] schestowitz__ and they fired you [21:20] schestowitz__ or you left [21:20] schestowitz__ you never specified which [21:20] schestowitz__ So I assume they fired you [21:20] schestowitz__ they also just fired more workers [21:20] schestowitz__ [09:34] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | google stadia: Google fires 150 game developers hired for Stadia: Report, IT News, ET CIO [21:23] mjg59 schestowitz__: Ok! We have a differentiating point [21:23] mjg59 schestowitz__: So it's ok to work for a company that works for evil organisations, but not to work for a company that is itself evil? [21:24] schestowitz__ no [21:24] schestowitz__ I did not join when GLA was a client [21:24] schestowitz__ not even close [21:24] schestowitz__ anyway, welcome to the hacker culture [21:24] schestowitz__ help us replace Google and the likes of it [21:24] schestowitz__ they spy on us and undermine our security to spy on us (and vice versa) [21:24] mjg59 schestowitz__: The case study says that GLA has been a client for almost a decade [21:24] schestowitz__ for society to properly function we need them to go away [21:24] schestowitz__ Google helps spy on protesters [21:24] mjg59 schestowitz__: So you've worked there while the GLA were a client [21:24] schestowitz__ you surely read about thsi [21:25] mjg59 Why didn't you leave? [21:25] schestowitz__ No, GLA was a client since 2013 [21:25] schestowitz__ I know cause I traveled there [21:25] schestowitz__ I secured our contract with them too, in a sense.. [21:25] mjg59 Oh, so you actively worked on gaining an organisation led by someone who wanted to engage in illegal violence against his electorate as a client? [21:26] schestowitz__ the water canon came years later [21:26] schestowitz__ he had been there for 5 years prior to it [21:26] mjg59 But you kept the contract [21:26] schestowitz__ (to that contract https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson ) [21:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Boris Johnson - Wikipedia [21:26] schestowitz__ and London is one of the world's biggest economies [21:26] mjg59 And you continued working for that company [21:26] schestowitz__ so to say that working with "something London" is bad is amazingly broad [21:27] schestowitz__ like saying "boycott USA" [21:27] schestowitz__ (which is hard) [21:27] mjg59 Why didn't you quit and work somewhere that didn't work for organisations led by unethical people? [21:27] mjg59 GLA != London [21:27] schestowitz__ GLA is Town Hall [21:27] schestowitz__ for London [21:27] schestowitz__ They even renamed [21:27] mjg59 Yes [21:27] mjg59 They're not the entire London economy [21:27] mjg59 Why didn't you quit? [21:27] schestowitz__ If you compare GLA to Google you worse than kid yourself! [21:27] schestowitz__ And it's not run by someone from a Pakistani family [21:28] schestowitz__ immigrant (father) [21:28] mjg59 So explain the difference [21:28] schestowitz__ and that's who we work for as a client for 5 years now [21:28] mjg59 Sure, but for a while it was led by someone who wanted to engage in illegal violence against his electorate [21:28] mjg59 And you made money off them during that time [21:28] schestowitz__ or maybe you think Sadiq too is evil [21:29] schestowitz__ I actually stayed off the water cannon poll [21:29] schestowitz__ because I did not support it [21:29] schestowitz__ and wanted nothing to do with that [21:29] mjg59 I'm not sure why the immigrant aspect is important here - Google's led by someone born in India [21:29] schestowitz__ I focused on Drupal [21:29] mjg59 You didn't support it, but you did nothing about it [21:29] schestowitz__ Google is led by its shareholders [21:29] schestowitz__ they chose a CEO [21:29] schestowitz__ the Board [21:29] schestowitz__ Microsoft and IBM did the same [21:30] mjg59 In the sense that Google is led by Larry and Sergey, sure [21:30] mjg59 The rest of the board has no meaningful power in comparison [21:30] schestowitz__ it helps distract from institutional racism in those companies -- a problem that is getting endemic [21:30] mjg59 Sergey was born in Russia [21:30] schestowitz__ yup [21:30] schestowitz__ and they can fire Google's CEO [21:30] schestowitz__ they are more powerful [21:30] schestowitz__ Gates is still the most powerful person at Microsoft [21:30] mjg59 But again, why did you do nothing when one of your clients was led by an evil person? [21:31] schestowitz__ and also a friend of people who screw kids and traffic them [21:31] schestowitz__ does not bother him [21:31] schestowitz__ mjg59: that person is your Prime Minoster [21:31] schestowitz__ You realise that, right? [21:31] mjg59 And? [21:32] mjg59 He wasn't at the time [21:32] schestowitz__ And for 4 years your residential country's president was a famous criminal, Trump [21:32] schestowitz__ why didn't you leave USA? [21:32] mjg59 You didn't have to work for him [21:32] schestowitz__ We worked for GLA [21:32] schestowitz__ he doesn't own GLA [21:32] mjg59 He led GLA [21:32] schestowitz__ and now Labour controls GLA [21:32] mjg59 And engaged in illegal acts while doing so [21:32] schestowitz__ the cannon thing [21:32] mjg59 Why did you keep GLA as a client? [21:32] schestowitz__ years afterwards [21:33] MinceR https://reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/popcorn_stephen_colbert.gif [21:33] schestowitz__ GLA was no longer a client around that time or shortly afterwards [21:33] schestowitz__ he too left [21:33] schestowitz__ and the canon was sold [21:33] schestowitz__ cannon [21:33] schestowitz__ not the company [21:34] schestowitz__ 2016 he left: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Johnson [21:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Boris Johnson - Wikipedia [21:34] schestowitz__ May [21:34] schestowitz__ "Johnson did not run for a third term for Mayor of London and stepped down on 5 May 2016 following the election of former transport minister, Sadiq Khan. Johnson left office still popular with the people of London. A YouGov poll commissioned at the end of his term revealed that 52% of Londoners believed he did a "good job" as Mayor of London while only 29% believed he did a "bad job".[295] In 2016, Sadiq Khan announced that three [21:34] schestowitz__ German-made water cannon, which Johnson had bought for the Metropolitan Police without waiting for clearance from the then-Home Secretary Theresa May, were to be sold off with the funds going to youth services.[296] The vehicles proved to be unsellable and were eventually sold for scrap in 2018 at a 300,000 loss.[297]" [21:34] mjg59 So the facts are: [21:34] mjg59 1) GLA was led by Boris Johnson, who bought illegal water cannon to use against the population of London [21:35] mjg59 2) You worked for a company that kept GLA as a client despite this being publicly known [21:35] schestowitz__ water cannons are nowhere as lethal as what Google does [21:35] schestowitz__ not even indirectly [21:35] mjg59 I'm not saying that you were involved in the illegal behaviour of the mayor at the time [21:35] mjg59 But I'm asking what the line you draw is [21:36] schestowitz__ but go ahead make equivalences [21:36] mjg59 How unethical does a client have to be before a company should divest themselves of them? [21:36] schestowitz__ I drew a line [21:36] schestowitz__ In would not touch that part of GLA [21:36] schestowitz__ as I opposed this [21:36] schestowitz__ and it's typically (typically!) not a lethal weapon [21:36] vmg3 you can't blame me, says the media man I wasn't the one who came up with the plan I just point my camera at what the people want to see it's a two way mirror and you can't blame me [21:36] mjg59 Sure, like I didn't touch any part of Google that did anything I disagreed with [21:36] vmg3 o/ morning [21:36] schestowitz__ Google did projects that killed many thousands, directly [21:37] schestowitz__ vmg3: 0/ g'day [21:37] schestowitz__ bbl [21:37] vmg3 yeah [21:37] mjg59 What you're describing is a difference of degree, not kind [21:37] mjg59 And you've drawn a line that, somehow, has you on the good side and me on the bade side [21:37] mjg59 Other people might draw that line in a different place [21:38] schestowitz__ Your company works for literal death machines [21:38] schestowitz__ and you make that the equivalent of LONDON TOWN HALL [21:38] mjg59 Which ones? [21:38] schestowitz__ yes,a town hall [21:39] schestowitz__ of britain's capital [21:39] mjg59 Maven got cancelled because employees were willing to stand up against it [21:39] mjg59 But apparently you were unwilling to stand up against one of your clients acting illegally [21:40] techrights-bot #Mageia 8 has been released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148186#comment-28450 #gnu #linux [21:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mageia 8 Released with Linux 5.10 LTS, Better Support for NVIDIA Optimus Laptops | Tux Machines [21:40] techrights-bot Security: #ReproducibleBuilds , VPNs, COMB and More http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148249 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [21:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security: Reproducible Builds, VPNs, COMB and More | Tux Machines [21:41] schestowitz__ I stand up against a lot where I work [21:41] schestowitz__ at risk to myself [21:41] schestowitz__ esp. proprietary software and 'clown' [21:42] mjg59 Good! [21:42] mjg59 I also stood up against a lot at Google [21:42] mjg59 At risk to myself [21:42] mjg59 Such as contracts with the DoD, the illegal firing of coworkers and leadership lying about these things [21:43] schestowitz__ so is that why they fired you? [21:43] mjg59 I wasn't fired [21:43] schestowitz__ so what happened? [21:43] schestowitz__ you never explained [21:43] schestowitz__ pause [21:43] schestowitz__ awkward [21:44] mjg59 I came to the conclusion that leadership wasn't going to alter their behaviour in any reasonable timeframe, so I left [21:44] techrights-bot "It is ironic that the first person to depart the Biden administration was sanctioned for threatening somebody elses career." http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/pocock-on-victim-blaming/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/02/28/pocock-on-victim-blaming/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/02/28/#latest [21:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | On Gangstalking and Victim-Blaming | Techrights [21:44] *randomgry (~test@unaffiliated/gryllida) has joined #techrights [21:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [21:44] *gry has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [21:45] schestowitz__ mjg59: what's the plan now? [21:45] schestowitz__ join us [21:45] schestowitz__ let's make cool things [21:45] schestowitz__ Google no longer does [21:45] schestowitz__ maybe it did 20 years ago [21:45] mjg59 Which was unfortunate, because we had made progress in multiple respects (killing Dragonfly and Maven, removing forced arbitration clauses that had been used to prevent people from seeking damages in court after being sexually harassed, ensuring that contractors and temp workers had equivalent healthcare and legal protections) [21:45] schestowitz__ with the chefs and one day a week "do your own thing" stuff... and "don't be evil" [21:46] mjg59 And that had not only stalled, it had started getting actively worse (the firing of Timnit and the lies about her having "resigned", for instance) [21:46] schestowitz__ Google is a waste of time [21:46] schestowitz__ you must be mid 40s [21:46] schestowitz__ i.e. over halfway in your working life [21:46] mjg59 No, turned 40 6 months ago [21:46] schestowitz__ ok [21:46] schestowitz__ let's do fun stuff [21:47] schestowitz__ Google isn't the place [21:47] mjg59 I'm doing fun stuff, thanks [21:47] schestowitz__ it's the place to earn money by serving oppressors [21:47] schestowitz__ money you can never meaningfully spend anyway [21:47] mjg59 I get to continue working on security that can be used by people who want to make it harder for governments to compromise their systems [21:47] mjg59 I get to continue building things that will be used by activists [21:47] schestowitz__ governments and 'Googles' [21:48] schestowitz__ the govs do it by proxy typically [21:48] schestowitz__ with or without a contract [21:48] schestowitz__ gov. "programmes" [21:48] mjg59 Well, yes, the goal is always to ensure that private entities are no more privileged in this respect [21:48] schestowitz__ let's not forget [21:48] *randomgry is now known as gry [21:48] schestowitz__ you cannot help the very firms you fight against and on balance be better off [21:48] mjg59 Nonsense [21:48] schestowitz__ it's like peeing on the floor while wiping it off with a mop [21:48] mjg59 The firms are equally invested in not being compromised by governments [21:49] schestowitz__ haha [21:49] schestowitz__ no [21:49] mjg59 Google doesn't want to get hacked by China again [21:49] schestowitz__ they need money [21:49] schestowitz__ Google wants to access the Chinese market [21:49] schestowitz__ same for FB [21:49] schestowitz__ Microsoft is in there, as it's doing evil things [21:49] schestowitz__ and later it has the audacity to gaslight us, to let us forget what it does for/in china [21:49] mjg59 Google wants access to the Chinese market, but not if doing so impairs their ability to serve (say) the US market [21:50] mjg59 Which would happen if China were able to compromise Google systems [21:50] schestowitz__ because there's more money in pentagon budget [21:50] schestowitz__ US compromised Google's systems already [21:50] mjg59 Sure, I'm receptive to the idea that the incentive here isn't ethical [21:50] schestowitz__ even sem-voluntarily [21:50] schestowitz__ *semi [21:50] schestowitz__ I worry more about the US [21:50] mjg59 But the incentive exists [21:50] schestowitz__ see what the US does to us [21:50] schestowitz__ people like Assange [21:50] schestowitz__ that's not Russia or China [21:51] mjg59 See what China does to its own citizens [21:51] schestowitz__ Russia tries to kill people [21:51] schestowitz__ china.... not as much as KSA [21:51] mjg59 In extremely large numbers [21:51] schestowitz__ less so overseas [21:51] mjg59 Russia's not engaging in an active program of genocide [21:51] schestowitz__ I want to see stories of espionage and blackmail against our politicians here... by China [21:51] schestowitz__ that's a US thing [21:51] schestowitz__ and Google facilitates it [21:52] mjg59 And I want to see stories of how activists are able to use technology to protect themselves against their own government [21:52] schestowitz__ maybe one day China will do it [21:52] schestowitz__ it's aware of blowback risk [21:52] mjg59 Because that's far more common [21:52] schestowitz__ but for now China is collecting data, not leveraging it for blackmail like US and Russia do [21:52] mjg59 The reason Google is blocked by China is because Google /wouldn't/ let China spy on its own citizens [21:53] schestowitz__ no, not really, there's more to it [21:53] schestowitz__ it's one of several factors [21:53] schestowitz__ Google still brings lots of money to China [21:53] schestowitz__ China has a nationalist tech policy [21:53] schestowitz__ they worry about foreign giants spying on them [21:53] schestowitz__ espionage against military members etc. [21:53] schestowitz__ almost understandable [21:54] schestowitz__ given the habits of regime change and Opium Wars I & 2 [21:54] schestowitz__ they learned from history [21:54] schestowitz__ hard to blame them on that level [21:55] mjg59 Anyway, I'm continuing to work on what I'm good at, and in doing so I'll continue helping people who are otherwise at greater risk [21:56] techrights-bot #microsoft clowns and professional liars on #clownComputing 'security' (a paradox... the moment you outsource to the clown you are COMPROMISED, technically) https://www.itwire.com/security/microsoft-chief-s-claims-on-cloud-security-result-in-sharp-rejoinder.html [21:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Microsoft chief's claims on cloud security result in sharp rejoinder [21:59] techrights-bot #microsoft gives hope to many: if you have mental deficit and are morally corrupt, there are still job prospects for you. Apply for a job at Microsoft today... maybe. Because they're firing loads of workers and barely hire. ● Feb 28 [22:00] techrights-bot Video: Many #Microsoft Layoffs in 2020, Including #Azure #Layoffs http://techrights.org/2021/01/03/microsoft-layoffs-2020/ [22:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Video: Many Microsoft Layoffs in 2020, Including Azure Layoffs | Techrights [22:01] DaemonFC[m] Causing security policy violations when I want to boot my computer and have it work? [22:02] schestowitz__ GAFAM 'security' [22:02] schestowitz__ securing their monopolies [22:02] DaemonFC[m] Due to some insane standard that will never work, but I'm sure makes sense to PHBs at Intel who add entire fake security to the ISA only to back it out two years later because it slows down program execution 50% and doesn't work. :) [22:02] schestowitz__ monopolised "trust", always at the users' expense [22:03] schestowitz__ security is a science [22:03] schestowitz__ in the sense that, [22:03] DaemonFC[m] We'll see if Control Flow Guard actually works or if that too gets backed out and dropped. [22:03] schestowitz__ given some provable mathematical (or expressed in maths) notion, [22:03] schestowitz__ you can assure something is never possible [22:04] schestowitz__ or infeasible [22:04] schestowitz__ but they add more layers of complexity [22:04] schestowitz__ as that obscures what goes o [22:04] schestowitz__ spy agencies then hire mathematicians [22:04] DaemonFC[m] Intel is always coming up with powerpoint slides about new CPU features. [22:04] schestowitz__ to plow through the mess they had created [22:04] *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:04] DaemonFC[m] Then they quietly get taken out to the graveyard a few years later. [22:04] schestowitz__ to make things just "almost' safe enough for Internet banking [22:04] schestowitz__ and of course for banks [22:04] DaemonFC[m] But there's more presentations and more people in suits with pointy sticks. [22:04] schestowitz__ but not for anyone else in the world world [22:05] schestowitz__ *whole world [22:05] DaemonFC[m] mjg59 has a suit and a point stick I'm sure. [22:05] DaemonFC[m] *pointy [22:05] schestowitz__ Intel hires DX http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [22:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [22:05] schestowitz__ I.e. Microsoft Word drones and pigeons [22:06] schestowitz__ who just about know how to press a second mouse button and have lunch with the "friends from MIcrosoft" [22:06] DaemonFC[m] It's just depressing how many resources are wasted on this broken feature treadmill Intel has going on. [22:06] schestowitz__ not just Intel [22:06] schestowitz__ I don't need 100 billion transistors to send email [22:07] schestowitz__ I just need a reliable chip that lets me do encryption [22:07] schestowitz__ not some in-hardware RNG that intentionally gives low entropy [22:07] DaemonFC[m] The CDC pinged me to ask how I'm feeling today. [22:07] schestowitz__ automated [22:07] DaemonFC[m] So I checked in and said Good and no complaints. [22:07] schestowitz__ they turn nations into "labs" [22:08] DaemonFC[m] Yeah, it's basically vaccine telemetry. [22:08] schestowitz__ and they then use them for marketing [22:08] schestowitz__ using secret deals [22:08] schestowitz__ very worrying [22:08] schestowitz__ I got vaccinated [22:08] DaemonFC[m] V-Safe is voluntary. [22:08] schestowitz__ but not using this experimental crap [22:08] DaemonFC[m] You don't have to sign up or tell them anything. [22:08] schestowitz__ let them finish their experiments [22:09] schestowitz__ then we'll examine the literature, not their media 'ads' [22:09] schestowitz__ BBC et al [22:09] DaemonFC[m] I am an experiment. I get it. [22:09] schestowitz__ yup [22:09] DaemonFC[m] COVID is entirely out of control. [22:09] schestowitz__ and you drove a lot to volunteer [22:09] schestowitz__ my dad wants to try the johnson and johnson one [22:09] schestowitz__ because of how it works [22:09] schestowitz__ or said to work [22:09] DaemonFC[m] It's under an EUA while they still have Phase 3 testing going on, officially. [22:10] DaemonFC[m] Phase 3 testing will not be finished until at least 2024. [22:10] schestowitz__ less invasive, lets the body build its own defenses [22:10] schestowitz__ people with underlying conditions can be killed by the shots/jobs, rather than the real thing that they might NEVER contract anyway [22:10] schestowitz__ *jabs [22:10] DaemonFC[m] By then most Americans will have had the shot under Emergency Use. [22:10] schestowitz__ ask Norway [22:10] DaemonFC[m] 78 million shots so far. [22:10] schestowitz__ does not say much [22:10] schestowitz__ which variant [22:11] DaemonFC[m] Some of them the second one, so like 50 million total people.....ish. [22:11] schestowitz__ which firm [22:11] schestowitz__ what dosage [22:11] schestowitz__ it's a tick-boxing exercice [22:11] DaemonFC[m] They offered mom the Moderna one and she declined it. [22:11] schestowitz__ it doesn't tell you what they want you to think it tells you [22:11] schestowitz__ they want to flag those people as "DONE" or "IMMUNE" [22:11] DaemonFC[m] She said she would have taken it except if you get sick and need to call off, they'll point you. [22:11] schestowitz__ doesn't work like that [22:11] schestowitz__ immunity wears off [22:11] DaemonFC[m] But her boss still comes in and shames people who won't take it. [22:11] schestowitz__ viruses mutate [22:12] schestowitz__ and they can under-report deaths [22:12] DaemonFC[m] Yes, schestowitz__ My hope is that there will be long term "memory" of the spike protein and that it doesn't change enough to evade detection. [22:12] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: useful idiot of the firms maybe [22:12] schestowitz__ some of them are paid for it [22:12] DaemonFC[m] It's not a given, of course. [22:12] schestowitz__ to get on with the experiment [22:12] schestowitz__ for sales [22:12] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: you can hope [22:13] schestowitz__ we don't know enough, do we? [22:13] DaemonFC[m] They're already talking boosters, so that should tell you. [22:13] schestowitz__ I stay at the sidelines for now [22:13] DaemonFC[m] So far they don't think there is a variant that has changed enough to reduce protection significantly, from the mRNA vaccines we have. [22:13] schestowitz__ the "jab" became like a lifelong drug to some [22:13] DaemonFC[m] That may continue, or it may not. [22:13] schestowitz__ and that's when the body can develop side effect or dependence [22:13] schestowitz__ they marketed those as a one-off [22:14] schestowitz__ and the first jab is apparently symbolic for vaiagracompany [22:14] schestowitz__ SUPER-sleazy company [22:14] schestowitz__ look at their history [22:14] schestowitz__ not wikipedia [22:14] DaemonFC[m] It's a crapshoot as to whether the virus mutates enough to evade or we need boosters every couple years or something. [22:14] schestowitz__ they probably already pay PR firms to park on their online "reputation" [22:14] DaemonFC[m] Most big companies do that. [22:14] schestowitz__ my dad calls them the LEAST credible pharma company [22:15] schestowitz__ but anyway, all this is off topic [22:15] schestowitz__ let's talk Intel and tech again [22:15] DaemonFC[m] Pfizer didn't even create it. It was that German company BioNTech. [22:15] schestowitz__ it's 3 [22:15] DaemonFC[m] Pfizer is basically the Thomson MP3 licensing program of the Coronavirus vaccine. [22:15] schestowitz__ the brands [22:15] schestowitz__ manufacturing and branding... not the same [22:16] schestowitz__ Maybe they can hire Michelle Pfizer to do ads [22:16] schestowitz__ it's like perfumes [22:16] schestowitz__ they stick celebs' names on them [22:16] DaemonFC[m] I asked my dad what Thomson's relationship to MP3 was and he said not much. FhG just didn't want to deal with the legal system in the US. [22:16] schestowitz__ because you cannot enter a store and judge smells [22:16] schestowitz__ so you go by bottle shapes [22:16] schestowitz__ names [22:16] DaemonFC[m] So they took a cut and let Thomson threaten people and take the money and stuff. [22:16] schestowitz__ celebs [22:16] schestowitz__ company names [22:17] schestowitz__ and the "stands" they set up [22:17] schestowitz__ then you smell just a few [22:17] schestowitz__ same for pharma companies [22:17] schestowitz__ Pfizer said 90% effective [22:17] schestowitz__ then another company said 94% [22:17] schestowitz__ then suddenly Pfizer says 95% [22:17] schestowitz__ lies for sales, obviously [22:17] DaemonFC[m] The Israeli government made their own assesment. [22:17] schestowitz__ the 90% number too was obviously a lie [22:18] schestowitz__ Pfizer has shareholders, that's all they're accountable to [22:18] DaemonFC[m] They claim the first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech one is actually more effective than Pfizer reported to the US FDA. [22:18] schestowitz__ if they say 99% and it turns out to be false, nobody will punish them [22:18] schestowitz__ like BP oil spill, only less [22:18] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: no, the israelu regime is correct [22:18] DaemonFC[m] It actually wouldn't surprise me at all if Pfizer underreported the efficacy, schestowitz__ [22:18] schestowitz__ corrupt [22:18] schestowitz__ not correct [22:18] schestowitz__ it signed a secret deal with the sleazeball who runs Pfizer [22:18] DaemonFC[m] They know nobody is going to settle for 54% from one dose, but that the government would accept 80%. [22:18] schestowitz__ secret for 30 years [22:19] schestowitz__ until the people who signed it are all dead [22:19] schestowitz__ now Pfizer calls the country a "lab" [22:19] DaemonFC[m] So they say 54% so the government goes okay everyone needs two doses. [22:19] DaemonFC[m] Yeah? [22:19] schestowitz__ and impose it on "lab rats" (I supposed it's implied from their own wording) [22:19] DaemonFC[m] Corruption via cutting down their own product efficacy. [22:19] schestowitz__ in exchange for discounts the Crime Minister needs to prouce and disseminate Pfizer propaganda [22:19] schestowitz__ Israel has almost the highest infection rate [22:19] schestowitz__ almost 1 in 20 [22:20] schestowitz__ became one in 12 I think [22:20] schestowitz__ worse than UK! [22:20] schestowitz__ and they probably fake other aspects [22:20] DaemonFC[m] Then all of these people get a second jab so that the protection goes from 80% to 95% or whatever, and it might provoke nasty side effects that may not actually be worth the second jab. [22:20] schestowitz__ UK tested far more per capita [22:20] DaemonFC[m] But Pfizer racks up more sales. [22:20] schestowitz__ there are also possible longterm harms [22:21] schestowitz__ the 90% figure doesn't count things like these [22:21] DaemonFC[m] This reminds me of "Windows Anytime Upgrade", schestowitz__ [22:21] schestowitz__ vaccines are good, Pfizer is not [22:21] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft trumpeted this as a feature, you know, in Vista. [22:21] schestowitz__ and if you trust those sleazeball and secret deal, good luck [22:21] DaemonFC[m] You get stuck with Home Basic but you need Professional? [22:21] schestowitz__ they treat it like they signed some uranium production deal [22:21] DaemonFC[m] Pay twice! [22:21] schestowitz__ 30 years [22:21] schestowitz__ "national security" [22:21] schestowitz__ for a business deal [22:21] DaemonFC[m] You don't even get a discount for already having the base version. [22:22] schestowitz__ it's bill doing in vaccines what he did with windows [22:22] schestowitz__ you don't buy windows [22:22] schestowitz__ you rent a version f it [22:22] schestowitz__ then you pay again for the next...and the next [22:22] schestowitz__ and they force you to upgrade (pay again) of lose your sh*t [22:22] schestowitz__ he saw similar potential in other sector [22:22] schestowitz__ "Repeat clients" [22:22] DaemonFC[m] The versioning lately is unnecessary and stupid and arbitrary. [22:23] schestowitz__ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html [22:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | Goldman asks: 'Is curing patients a sustainable business model?' [22:23] DaemonFC[m] There haven't been major features anyone has cared about that couldn't have been a service pack update to Windows 7. [22:23] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: I will join the vaccine treatment when they reach version 10 Ultimate Edition [22:23] schestowitz__ and it's their final version [22:23] schestowitz__ on the "clown" [22:23] schestowitz__ with "smart" and all [22:23] schestowitz__ *vaccine treadmill I mean [22:24] schestowitz__ when we know what does what and if it's effective [22:24] schestowitz__ in the long run [22:24] DaemonFC[m] You're not going to hold out for Vaccine 365? [22:24] schestowitz__ no! [22:24] schestowitz__ It has downtime [22:24] schestowitz__ for 5 days [22:24] schestowitz__ you stay in bed after each vaccine [22:24] schestowitz__ so 360 [22:24] schestowitz__ Vaccine360(TM) [22:24] DaemonFC[m] My first one wasn't so bad, really. [22:24] schestowitz__ with OneCare [22:25] DaemonFC[m] Kind of makes me think I did manage to avoid COVID so far. [22:25] schestowitz__ Because they're a bunch of OneCares [22:25] DaemonFC[m] Because they say if you had COVID and then you get the vaccine, watch out. [22:25] schestowitz__ you need to test first [22:25] DaemonFC[m] That's exactly what happened to mom's boss. [22:25] schestowitz__ it can harm people who already had it [22:25] DaemonFC[m] She had COVID and then got the vaccine series from Moderna. [22:25] DaemonFC[m] It really REALLY kicked her ass, both times. [22:25] schestowitz__ also, for travel, test people [22:25] schestowitz__ this vaccine thing is a joke [22:25] DaemonFC[m] She was off sick for 3 days after each dose. [22:25] schestowitz__ you can be vaccinated and still be a carrier [22:25] schestowitz__ so that passport BS of Gates and Mill is a farce [22:26] schestowitz__ you have infected people entered into a plane [22:26] DaemonFC[m] It's probably best to get the "longterm antibody" test before you decide on the vaccine. [22:26] schestowitz__ because of some "apps" or piece of paper [22:26] DaemonFC[m] And then proceed if the longterm antibody test is negative. [22:26] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: those are not accurate [22:26] schestowitz__ a friend of mine thought he had it last year [22:26] DaemonFC[m] If you already have antibodies from natural infection, there's no point getting the vaccine right away. [22:26] schestowitz__ they could not detect antibodies thouygh [22:26] schestowitz__ he's a professor in this field [22:26] schestowitz__ and doubts it's a definite assessment [22:27] DaemonFC[m] I got walloped with something last March and so did Mandy. [22:27] schestowitz__ maybe you had it [22:27] DaemonFC[m] I took a COVID longterm antibody test on May 26th and it was negative. [22:27] schestowitz__ 2 months later.. [22:27] DaemonFC[m] Eh, I don't think it went on long enough to be COVID. [22:27] schestowitz__ so maybe OK [22:27] DaemonFC[m] Only had symptoms for like 4 days. [22:27] schestowitz__ anyway, back on topic [22:27] schestowitz__ laters [22:28] DaemonFC[m] Well, 2 months later you should have the antibody type it's testing for. [22:28] DaemonFC[m] It's not testing for current infection. [22:29] DaemonFC[m] Every test that involves a lab has mistakes. [22:30] techrights-bot Dear WEF, the bigger attack is by the elites you front for, plundering the whole world blind while you blame your scapegoat du jour (is it still Russia or just China now?) https://linuxreviews.org/The_World_Economic_Forum_Warns_That_2021_Could_Be_The_Year_Of_The_CyberAttacks [22:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | The World Economic Forum Warns That 2021 Could Be The Year Of The CyberAttacks - LinuxReviews [22:30] DaemonFC[m] People are pissed that prisoners are getting COVID vaccines. [22:30] DaemonFC[m] So what I'm getting here is "I'd never put that in my body, and how dare you vaccinate a prisoner!". [22:32] DaemonFC[m] I don't get this, because many people claim that they're angry that there's no death sentence in Illinois, and claim (without evidence) that COVID vaccines "cause cancer" because everything they don't understand causes cancer, and they're mad that the state is giving an inmate who they say should have been executed "cancer"? [22:32] techrights-bot "As weve been migrating our servers from CentOS 6 to SpearlineOS, one of the problems weve hit has been the out-of-tree modules dont compile against the EL8 kernels that we use as the base for SpearlineOS." https://www.jdieter.net/posts/2021/02/28/wanpipe-and-dahdi-copr-for-el8/ [22:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jdieter.net | WANPIPE and DAHDI COPR for EL8 [22:34] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: back to tech now, please? [22:34] DaemonFC[m] Ah yeah. [22:34] schestowitz__ This 'causes cancer' thign sounds like a straw man [22:34] schestowitz__ maybe partly fictional [22:34] schestowitz__ like claims about gates [22:34] schestowitz__ and covid [22:34] schestowitz__ or 5g [22:34] schestowitz__ "Causing covid" [22:34] DaemonFC[m] It's really hard to standardize on anything longterm and count on it being there. [22:34] schestowitz__ not cancer [22:35] schestowitz__ apparently we're meant to think 5g sceptics think that radio spreads a virus [22:35] DaemonFC[m] Mandriva went bankrupt. IBM took over Red Hat and corrupted it and shut down CentOS. [22:35] schestowitz__ and I suspect media amplifies this lunacy [22:35] DaemonFC[m] Canonical is a Microsoft thrall that keeps praising and advertising WSL. [22:35] schestowitz__ it fits the stigma of critic="crazy" [22:35] schestowitz__ in twitter, suggesting gates profits from vaccine patents must be seen as "qanon" something [22:36] schestowitz__ I saw some WSL spam today [22:36] schestowitz__ [20:51] Shame on #InfoQ posting #microsoft spam and #googleboming the word #linux to promote an attack on it, #WSL , which almost nobody uses http://techrights.org/2020/05/06/wsl2-usage-numbers/ [22:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Only About 150,000 People Worldwide Use WSL2 (Windows Subsystem for Linux) | Techrights [22:36] schestowitz__ DaemonFC[m]: it's always like that [22:36] schestowitz__ big companies use resources while they still have them [22:36] schestowitz__ IBM, Microsoft [22:36] schestowitz__ moving downwards [22:36] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxtkrwfdkyjvofwt) has joined #techrights [22:36] schestowitz__ trying to take everything else down with them [22:37] schestowitz__ so we dance around and job on to something else [22:37] schestowitz__ like other distros and communities [22:37] schestowitz__ Canonical lost almost all the uBuntu community [22:37] schestowitz__ the council was just a symbolic act [22:37] schestowitz__ as if there's still a community left to lead [22:37] schestowitz__ I wonder if the Mint community is not bigger than Ubuntu's [22:37] schestowitz__ Ubuntu user =! community [22:38] schestowitz__ they cannot shut us all down [22:38] schestowitz__ too many of us [22:38] schestowitz__ and IBM now faces tons of bad PR for their history of ruthless shit [22:38] schestowitz__ so they pretend to be fighters for justice, just like mjg59 does [22:38] psydroid most of the Ubuntu language channels here on Freenode are dead [22:38] schestowitz__ it's a thinly-vailed PR facade [22:38] schestowitz__ and they know it [22:39] schestowitz__ #veiled [22:39] psydroid a decade ago they were vibrant [22:39] schestowitz__ they sent PR people to contact me in person [22:39] schestowitz__ psydroid: IBM was worth more thaN MSFT in Wall Street one decade ago [22:39] schestowitz__ around 2011 [22:39] schestowitz__ they were valued higher than any other tech company I assume [22:39] schestowitz__ but they're all ponzi scheme [22:39] schestowitz__ tesla and apple etc. are not worth what wall street says [22:40] schestowitz__ it's a scam [22:40] schestowitz__ fictional economy of speculations [22:40] schestowitz__ and the public pays the price for those false speculations [22:40] schestowitz__ 2008, 2020... [22:43] schestowitz__ psydroid: Canonical is still losing money [22:43] schestowitz__ last I checked [22:44] schestowitz__ they probably count on some bigger firm buying them [22:44] schestowitz__ HP? VMware? Microsoft? Antitrust? [22:44] schestowitz__ What's antitrust anyway? [22:44] schestowitz__ When Azure launched Shuttleworth called it "exciting" IIRC [22:45] schestowitz__ saw it as $ opportunity for his flailing business [22:45] schestowitz__ Azure turned out to be a failure, not exciting [22:45] schestowitz__ losses and layoffs [22:45] schestowitz__ maybe AWS is the only one making money in this area [22:45] schestowitz__ Google loses LOADS of billions in that area [22:46] schestowitz__ Microsoft does not even report Azure numbers [22:46] schestowitz__ it reports "cloud" [22:46] schestowitz__ and then calls everything "cloud" [22:46] schestowitz__ even what it cannibalises [22:47] schestowitz__ anything to fake "growth" and "prospects" [22:47] psydroid at this point I think everything that was good in Ubuntu has been integrated in Debian, so maybe we will see major migrations to the (also in various ways flawed) parent distribution [22:51] techrights-bot No, @BrianFagioli is lying. This headline is false and contradicted by what the body of the article says. Unnecessary clickbait. Read the original from Linux Mint's blog. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148233#comment-28451 [22:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint Monthly News February 2021 | Tux Machines [22:53] techrights-bot When you work for #betanews you provoke people to click and then sell them SPAM: http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/ http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/pure-spam-as-news/ [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Different Types of Spammy Articles and Reviews Which Have Killed Professional Journalism (Nowadays Mostly SPAM) | Techrights [22:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Lot of Linux News is Nowadays Just Spam | Techrights [22:53] techrights-bot "Brian Fagioli, Published 1 week ago": "Linux Mint users are surprisingly irresponsible regarding updates" Get insulted, click here, read my spammy lies. ttp://techrights.org/2020/10/18/news-as-spam/ http://techrights.org/2021/02/05/pure-spam-as-news/ [22:55] mjg59 schestowitz__: What makes you think I'm "pretending" to "fight for justice"? [22:55] schestowitz__ seeing what you did [22:55] schestowitz__ actions [22:55] schestowitz__ not words [22:55] schestowitz__ inc. the attacks on some people who did a lot [22:55] schestowitz__ RMS, LT, others... [22:56] schestowitz__ superficial "token" activism is not activism [22:56] schestowitz__ it's like Billy G pretending to be "green" [22:58] schestowitz__ some k00ky reddits today https://www.reddit.com/r/SatanicRitualAbuse/comments/luc425/bill_gates_engineer_was_arrested_for_child/ [22:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Bill Gates' engineer was arrested for child pornography : SatanicRitualAbuse [22:59] schestowitz__ some of them in those "reddit" BS social control media give a bad name to the original [22:59] schestowitz__ anyway, at least they impede the media distractions [22:59] schestowitz__ which may or may not be coordinated to pollute the signal ● Feb 28 [23:01] mjg59 Why should doing a lot be sufficient to shield someone from criticism? [23:02] techrights-bot Meet The Lightweight PC And Mac OS You Probably Didnt Know About http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148250 Sadly it is infected by #microsoft (secret deal apparently), but alternatives do exist http://techrights.org/2021/02/18/raspberry-pi-breaks-up-with-free-software-community/ [23:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meet The Lightweight PC And Mac OS You Probably Didnt Know About | Tux Machines [23:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Raspberry Pi Reaffirms Its Commitment to Microsoft (as Trojan Horse Inside Classrooms) and Abandons the Free Software Community | Techrights [23:06] mjg59 I literally flew to DC to encourage congressional representatives to support a bill that would make it illegal to force workers into arbitration, and helped convince a Republican representative to sign onto it. Not sure how that counts as pretending. [23:07] techrights-bot Jamie McClelland: From #openbox to #sway http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/148251 #wayland and #ibm breaking lots of things. Got to keep those community ("COMMIE!") distros hopping and in constant disarray.. [23:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Jamie McClelland: From openbox to sway | Tux Machines [23:08] schestowitz__ mjg59: you disrupted projects [23:08] schestowitz__ and you promoted fake security [23:08] schestowitz__ like microsoft shills who promoted ooxml [23:09] schestowitz__ concern-trolling linux (kernel) and urging to fork it is revealing of your agenda [23:09] schestowitz__ maybe it needs to be forked [23:09] schestowitz__ but not for those reasons [23:09] schestowitz__ maybe to remove crap like 'secure' boot [23:09] mjg59 schestowitz__: I didn't fork it [23:09] schestowitz__ and all that DRM stuff [23:09] mjg59 Or urge that someone do so [23:10] schestowitz__ mjg59: you tried to [23:10] mjg59 I worked in my own space for a while rather than bothering to try to upstream anything [23:10] schestowitz__ you even used a proprietary platform to try to enlist deserters [23:10] schestowitz__ a platform Microsoft now owns and controls [23:10] mjg59 With the goal that anyone who wanted to upstream that work was welcome to [23:10] schestowitz__ you tried to fork [23:10] schestowitz__ let me show yoy [23:10] schestowitz__ you forgot what you had done [23:10] schestowitz__ it's ok, you are over 40 [23:10] schestowitz__ maybe a senior moment [23:11] schestowitz__ hang on [23:11] mjg59 https://www.zdnet.com/article/matthew-garrett-is-not-forking-linux/ [23:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Matthew Garrett is not forking Linux | ZDNet [23:12] schestowitz__ http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/10/06/1553233/matthew-garrett-forks-the-linux-kernel [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Matthew Garrett Forks the Linux Kernel - Slashdot [23:12] schestowitz__ https://github.com/mjg59/linux [23:12] mjg59 Me, at the time: I'm not forking Linux [23:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - mjg59/linux: Linux kernel source tree [23:12] schestowitz__ there. [23:12] mjg59 It's like saying that Andrew Morton has forked Linux [23:13] schestowitz__ "Garrett writes. He has chosen to go his own way, and has forked the Linux kernel and added patches that implement a BSD-style securelevel interface." [23:13] mjg59 You're free to look at what I actually said at the time, rather than what someone else thought I said [23:14] mjg59 But, again, it's unclear to me why you think someone who's done a lot shouldn't be criticised [23:15] schestowitz__ https://news.softpedia.com/news/matthew-garrett-leaves-linux-kernel-and-forks-it-493867.shtml [23:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Matthew Garrett Leaves Linux Kernel and Forks It [23:15] schestowitz__ bbl [23:15] schestowitz__ you failed [23:15] schestowitz__ you could not get anyone to follow you and some sensitive bad coders [23:15] schestowitz__ who unlike most devs cannot take criticism from LT [23:16] mjg59 Again, you're extremely encourages to find somewhere where I actually said that [23:16] mjg59 Rather than reading inaccurate assumptions about what I was doing [23:16] mjg59 Or do you trust journalists now? [23:18] schestowitz__ you put linux on shitehub and changed it on there [23:19] schestowitz__ derivative work [23:20] mjg59 Sure [23:20] mjg59 Like many people do [23:20] schestowitz__ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_(software_development) [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Fork (software development) - Wikipedia [23:20] schestowitz__ " [23:20] schestowitz__ A timeline chart of how Linux distributions have forked. [23:20] schestowitz__ In software engineering, a project fork happens when developers take a copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct and separate piece of software. [23:20] schestowitz__ " [23:20] schestowitz__ you forked it [23:20] schestowitz__ for yourself maybe [23:20] schestowitz__ branched, forked [23:20] mjg59 Is every repo on https://git.kernel.org/ a fork? [23:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | Kernel.org git repositories [23:20] schestowitz__ so you did not actually leave kernel development [23:20] schestowitz__ you just had a go at the code on your own [23:21] schestowitz__ kernel.org = linux [23:21] mjg59 So if I'd done exactly the same thing but maintained it on kernel.org, it wouldn't have been a fork? [23:21] schestowitz__ outside it, if extended, if can be a fork unless merged in [23:21] schestowitz__ maybe you need me to explain to you how branches and forks work [23:21] schestowitz__ google too did this [23:21] schestowitz__ but you defended Google so hard [23:21] schestowitz__ eventually they merged in [23:22] schestowitz__ after years [23:22] schestowitz__ anyway [23:22] mjg59 Yeah, me, notable defender of Google's approach to Android kernel development [23:22] mjg59 I was publicly criticising it in 2008 [23:22] mjg59 Before the first Android hardware had shipped [23:23] mjg59 But, again, why is the fact that someone's done a lot something that means they shouldn't be criticised? [23:24] schestowitz__ you can criticise him for many things [23:24] schestowitz__ make sure it sticks [23:24] schestowitz__ because people were not on your side [23:24] schestowitz__ except linux-hostile media [23:24] schestowitz__ actual developers backed LT [23:26] techrights-bot Let's pretend that products don't matter anymore, only #patents do. When you profit from #blackmail and #litigation it's easy to think #patent #law exists in a vacuum https://dallasinnovates.com/toyota-motor-north-america-continues-to-lead-in-rd-patents-among-automakers/ [23:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dallasinnovates.com | Toyota Motor North America Continues To Lead in R&D Patents Among Automakers Dallas Innovates [23:27] techrights-bot #ibm continues to fund and back the most aggressive and overzealous #patent front groups, inc. IPO, to also lobby for #swpats IBM just CANNOT do this AND ALSO support GNU/Linux. It's either this or that... [23:28] mjg59 Ok, so you believe that my criticism was genuine, but ineffectual [23:28] mjg59 Fine [23:28] mjg59 How does that indicate that I'm "pretending" to "fight for justice"? [23:28] techrights-bot #espionage firm (stealing data) is finally sued... but over #swpats rather than its real crimes https://lawstreetmedia.com/tech/slack-sued-for-infringement-of-instant-messaging-related-patents/ see http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/ [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lawstreetmedia.com | Slack Sued for Infringement of Instant Messaging Related Patents - Tech [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come | Techrights [23:30] techrights-bot #swpats again. They're likely worse than some of those dodgy companies they're used again, so let's hope that the underlying #patents perish in court or #ptab https://lawstreetmedia.com/tech/apple-sued-for-infringement-of-biometric-technology-patents-via-face-id-feature/ [23:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lawstreetmedia.com | Apple Sued for Infringement of Biometric Technology Patents via Face ID Feature - Tech [23:32] techrights-bot "Intellectual property is intangible personal property" No, it's not. Neither legally nor technically. #law firms spreading sheer, pure, unadulterated #propaganda again You need to lie to pass law and bar exam https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/can-you-protect-an-idea-5093812/ [23:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can You Protect An Idea? | Weintraub Tobin - JDSupra [23:33] techrights-bot "I find that bank liquidity creation decreases technological innovation, measured by patent-based criteria." Since when are #patents a measure of actual innovation? Baloney. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3754386 [23:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papers.ssrn.com | Bank Liquidity Creation and Technological Innovation by Sara Yasar :: SSRN [23:35] techrights-bot Killing people with (and for) #patent #monopolies https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3781826 [23:35] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-papers.ssrn.com | The Humira Patent Thicket and the Noerr-Pennington Doctrine by Ryan Knox, Gregory Curfman :: SSRN [23:41] techrights-bot #Cambalache https://blogs.gnome.org/xjuan/2021/02/28/cambalache/ #gnome #gnu #linux #programming [23:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org | Cambalache | Juan Pablo's Blog [23:43] techrights-bot "Next we go east to Hong Kong. Under British influence Hong Kong practiced left-hand trafic. And this has been kept also after 1997. 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