●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Sunday, March 28, 2021 ●● ● Mar 28 [00:00] schestowitz__ similar to HRC [00:00] schestowitz__ use of private mail for highly sensitive stuff [00:00] schestowitz__ so Bolton said Trump responded by saying outrageous things [00:00] schestowitz__ about something else [00:00] schestowitz__ and the rage that followed distracted from what Ivanka had done [00:00] schestowitz__ which would otherwise lead to "LOCK HER UP" chants [00:02] schestowitz__ Cite: Bolton's book (2020) [00:02] schestowitz__ or 2019, I think 2020 [00:03] gullfaxi[m] interesting. Trump, as well as many "alt-right" actors in Europe, have been using successfully the same social media tools quite a long time by now [00:03] schestowitz__ let me check some old mail [00:05] schestowitz__ Richard Stallman wrote on 18/09/2019 06:44: [00:05] schestowitz__ > > As a side note, it seems like media tries to shift attention away from [00:05] schestowitz__ > > Bill Gates' MIT scandal by talking about you: [00:05] schestowitz__ > [00:05] schestowitz__ > It does not surprise me. Gates has more influence. [00:05] schestowitz__ > [00:05] schestowitz__ > I think I will post the Microsoft talk article today or tomorrow. [00:05] schestowitz__ note to lurkers: [00:05] schestowitz__ the article he referred to here is the one explaining why he visited Microsoft [00:05] schestowitz__ after Microsoft had tricked him [00:05] schestowitz__ "invited" him [00:06] gullfaxi[m] I remember the "outrage" at the time :> [00:07] schestowitz__ Roy Schestowitz wrote on 09/09/2019 04:15: [00:08] schestowitz__ >> Meanwhile, I am working on an article to publish. [00:08] schestowitz__ > This is very good. I look forward to it. [00:08] schestowitz__ Any progress on that (article about Microsoft visit)? [00:08] schestowitz__ As a side note, it seems like media tries to shift attention away from [00:08] schestowitz__ Bill Gates' MIT scandal by talking about you: [00:08] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2019/09/15/media-attention-has-been-shifted/ [00:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallmans Controversial Views Are Nothing New and They Distract From Bill Gates Vastly Worse Role | Techrights [00:09] schestowitz__ I have in fact just mailed him about it [00:10] schestowitz__ maybe it will remind him of something [00:10] schestowitz__ It was "supposed" to be Gates Canceled [00:10] schestowitz__ Like 'Prince' Andrew [00:10] schestowitz__ "stepping down" [00:11] schestowitz__ (=hiding) [00:11] *phebus has quit (Quit: POKE 1,0) [00:33] schestowitz__ https://news.itsfoss.com/stallman-supporters-not-giving-up/ [00:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.itsfoss.com | Organizations Oppose Stallman & FSF but Individual Supports Keep on Pouring in - It's FOSS News [00:36] schestowitz__ DDOS attack now [00:36] schestowitz__ but this has done on for a whiiiile [00:43] CrystalMath Ariadne: would you care to explain why you're shilling for busybox to be written with a permissive license? [00:43] CrystalMath *rewritten [00:44] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [00:44] techrights-bot Top 10 Razor Blade #GNU #Linux Laptops https://www.fosslinux.com/46038/top-razor-blade-linux-laptops.htm [00:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosslinux.com | Top 10 Razor Blade Linux Laptops | FOSS Linux [00:44] techrights-bot Email: A source of stress https://piware.de/post/2021-03-27-inbox-zero-habit/ don't check #email more than once per day, IME... [00:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-piware.de | Three months of Inbox Zero Martin Pitt [00:44] techrights-bot #uk Census stupidity, 2021 edition https://www.jwiltshire.org.uk/2021/03/27/census-stupidity-2021-edition/ [00:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Census stupidity, 2021 edition jwiltshire.org.uk [00:44] CrystalMath schestowitz__: i have evidence of your sysadmin now shilling for the linux foundation [00:45] schestowitz__ no [00:45] schestowitz__ Ariadne favours permissive licences [00:45] schestowitz__ nothing new to me [00:46] schestowitz__ and I'm ok with not agreeing 100% of the time [00:46] schestowitz__ like I said, nothing new [00:46] MinceR there are good reasons to favor permissive licenses [00:46] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149309 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:46] MinceR especially since at least one state is too corrupt to uphold copyleft [00:46] techrights-bot GNU #Emacs 27.2 Released! #HowTo Install it in Ubuntu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149310 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [00:47] CrystalMath does anybody want to get paid to rewrite busybox [00:47] CrystalMath (in rust) [00:47] CrystalMath something about busybox litigation [00:47] CrystalMath Ariadne: what interest does the LF have in busybox? aren't they happy with GNU coreutils and util-linux? [00:47] CrystalMath skarnet: they aren't happy because Alpine isn't happy, and they want Alpine to be happy since Alpine is what they are pushing for container devops buzzword bingo [00:47] CrystalMath basically they are very open to finding budget for improving Alpine [00:47] CrystalMath busybox is, you know, a third rail issue [00:48] CrystalMath with the GPL violations project [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149309 ) [00:48] CrystalMath so they would like to see it replaced [00:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149310 ) [00:48] CrystalMath sorry for the long paste [00:48] MinceR well, i wouldn't want to rewrite anything in rust, regardless of license [00:48] CrystalMath i know, disgusting [00:48] MinceR let rust rot in hell, along with mozilla and microsoft [00:49] CrystalMath i feel like one day i'm gonna be posting to you about Ariadne slaughtering people as a part of a death squad, and you'll say it's fine, we all have disagreements [00:49] MinceR well, that depends on who gets slaughtered and why [00:49] CrystalMath no it doesn't [00:49] CrystalMath to me it doesn't [00:50] CrystalMath murder is never okay [00:50] MinceR there are many people i would slaughter happily so that the rest of us can finally have a free and civilized existence [00:50] MinceR killing in self defense is okay [00:52] CrystalMath i wouldn't do it [00:52] CrystalMath i couldn't [00:53] techrights-bot Call for testing: #Kubernetes 1.21 release candidate https://ubuntu.com//blog/call-for-testing-kubernetes-1-21-release-candidate [00:53] MinceR would you rather be enslaved for the rest of your life? [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Call for testing: Kubernetes 1.21 release candidate | Ubuntu [00:53] techrights-bot Just before RMS was 'canceled': Richard Stallmans Controversial Views Are Nothing New and They Distract From Bill Gates Vastly Worse Role http://techrights.org/2019/09/15/media-attention-has-been-shifted/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/09/15/media-attention-has-been-shifted/ [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallmans Controversial Views Are Nothing New and They Distract From Bill Gates Vastly Worse Role | Techrights [00:53] CrystalMath MinceR: no, of course not, i would die instead [00:53] techrights-bot "What does the right to be heard means at the EPO, when the chair of the boards puts himself as chair of the EBA whilst he promoted Art 15aRPBA2020." #epo #corruption #crime #injustice http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/03/board-of-appeal-in-t180715-continues.html?showComment=1616832139677#c4263560736381605404 see http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/judges-epo-kangaroo-courts/ [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | BREAKING: Board of Appeal in T1807/15 continues with ViCo oral proceedings referral - The IPKat [00:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Has Become an Institution of Unbridled Crime, Where Judges Exist Only to Approve the Crimes | Techrights [00:53] CrystalMath MinceR: if i have the option to kill someone, most likely i can just change the target to myself, which i think is okay by my morals [00:53] CrystalMath that is, suicide is okay [00:53] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-25-239.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [00:53] MinceR what if they didn't let you die? [00:53] *MinceR gives voice to koo5 [00:53] CrystalMath yes but again, if i have the option [00:54] CrystalMath otherwise the whole point is moot [00:54] CrystalMath since we were talking about killing in self-defense... if i *could* do that, i could also kill myself, and then that's what i'd choose [00:54] MinceR i see [00:54] MinceR well, that's one way out of a hellish existence [00:54] techrights-bot IAM, a megaphone of corrupt #EPO management, omits any mention of EPO #crimes and the collapse of #patent quality (as one might expect) https://www.iam-media.com/continental-shifts [00:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.iam-media.com | Europe analysis continental shifts | IAM [00:56] techrights-bot Using the whole "hey hi" nonsense to cushion #patent maximalists and #litigation profiteers who disregard #science and never contribute to it https://www.worldipreview.com/article/guidance-would-be-incredibly-helpful-a-view-on-uk-ai [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | Guidance would be incredibly helpful: a view on UK AI [00:56] techrights-bot The collapse of #patent quality at the #EPO may mean lots of invalid patents; when people realise those are worthless, less applications will come https://www.theengineer.co.uk/patent-applications-epo-european-patent-office/ [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theengineer.co.uk | UK files fewer patent applications in Europe | The Engineer The Engineer [00:56] techrights-bot There's no legality review but a #corruptkangaroo court https://www.worldipreview.com/news/epo-mandatory-video-hearings-to-continue-despite-legality-review-21185 see http://techrights.org/2021/03/25/judges-epo-kangaroo-courts/ [00:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldipreview.com | EPO mandatory video hearings to continue despite legality review [00:57] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: please let that slide [00:57] schestowitz__ we don't have time for infighting [00:57] schestowitz__ and I'm having enough trouble here with workload [00:57] schestowitz__ and with DDOS [00:58] schestowitz__ I don't want unnecessary IRC drama [00:58] schestowitz__ (thanks, please try to be considerate on this matter... we have more urgent things to worry about atm) [00:58] techrights-bot Updated #Debian 10: 10.9 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149305 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #freesw [00:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 503 @ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149305 ) [00:59] CrystalMath schestowitz__: alright ● Mar 28 [02:00] techrights-bot Best Free #Android Apps: #JuiceSSH all in one terminal client http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149306 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free Android Apps: JuiceSSH all in one terminal client | Tux Machines [02:00] techrights-bot #IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 155 released [ #SECURITY ADVISORY] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149307 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.25 - Core Update 155 released [SECURITY ADVISORY] | Tux Machines [02:00] techrights-bot #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149308 #Google #Linux #TuxMachines [02:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [02:01] techrights-bot #KDE Introduces "Quick Settings" Page, Lands More #Wayland Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149296#comment-28859 [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This week in KDE: all the things | Tux Machines [02:01] techrights-bot If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/280633-if-you-re-not-careful-the-newspapers-will-have-you-hating #rms #fsf #freesw #freedom #gnu [02:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.goodreads.com | Quote by Malcolm X: If you're not careful, the newspapers will have... [02:07] *schestowitz__ gives voice to BifrostBot[m] swaggboi [02:07] schestowitz__ leap hour [02:07] schestowitz__ 2am [02:07] schestowitz__ dst is such lunacy.. [02:07] schestowitz__ duplicate hours are the bigger problem [02:07] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.20 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 12.40 swarm size (avg): 158.22 [02:07] MinceR indeed [02:08] schestowitz__ 6 months from now... [02:08] MinceR and idiots who "standardize" that the RTC should be set to local time [02:08] MinceR (intel and microsoft) [02:10] schestowitz__ didn't know [02:10] schestowitz__ anyway, nothing at work broke so far [02:10] schestowitz__ we'll see [02:11] schestowitz__ I hand over to a colleague now [02:11] MinceR it would break in the autumn [02:11] techrights-bot We should all know... who was supposed to be "cancelled" in 2019 http://techrights.org/2019/12/21/police-report-bill-gates/ [02:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Mansion of Pedophilia Part II: Dr. Stallman Defamed in the Media One Day After Request Made for King County Sheriffs Office to Divulge Information About Pedophilia in Home of Bill Gates | Techrights [02:11] MinceR at least when running windows [02:12] techrights-bot NEWS #CounterPunch #DRM #surveillance Fixing the Stream, Shaking Up #Spotify https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/03/26/fixing-the-stream-shaking-up-spotify/ [02:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Fixing the Stream, Shaking Up Spotify - CounterPunch.org [02:12] MinceR wait for 3:00 to pass, clock gets set to 2:00, reboot to another windows, repeat [02:12] MinceR it will just subtract 1 hour from your clock every time and proudly tell you how great it did [02:15] schestowitz__ lol! [02:17] schestowitz__ I always try to remember what to check when either dst happens [02:17] schestowitz__ we use utc on most systems, so not much can break [02:17] schestowitz__ and cron jobs never around 0-1am [02:17] MinceR :> [02:18] schestowitz__ animal kingdom: what's a DST?! [02:18] schestowitz__ human: it's a stupid human thing like leap year and "weekday" [02:18] schestowitz__ we have leap seconds, too [02:18] schestowitz__ many don't know about those [02:24] MinceR leap year and leap seconds aren't nearly as stupid as DST [02:25] techrights-bot Remember that #google has been demonetising and censoring #gnu #linux videos in #youtube lately (vloggers reported it). Its front groups have been attacking GNU, GPL and #FSF lately. Revolt of the oppressor. They've run out of patience... [02:27] techrights-bot Planet #gnome shilling #microsoft #ProprietarySoftrware #monopoly https://www.ravsam.in/blog/setup-github-actions-for-dart-project/ can we stop promoting the attacks on us and on Git? [02:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ravsam.in | Setup Github Actions for a Dart project [02:28] techrights-bot #MXLinux vs. Manjaro http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149311 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [02:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MX Linux vs. Manjaro | Tux Machines [02:28] MinceR good thing there's http://odysee.com/ [02:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 308 @ http://odysee.com/ ) [02:30] techrights-bot #intel still outsourcing everything to #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopoly https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Cloud-Hypervisor-0.14 after infiltration: http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Intel's Cloud-Hypervisor 0.14 Brings Improvements For MSHV, AArch64 - Phoronix [02:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Intel leaks - Techrights [02:33] techrights-bot #clowncomputing = a shot in your own foot. 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[02:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: Saturday, March 27, 2021 [02:41] techrights-bot #ibm people promoting #clowncomputing i.e. State #surveillance and return to mainframes (where people are mere "slaves" of computing) https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2021/03/the-current-state-of-cloud-computing.html [02:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.irvingwb.com | Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Current State of Cloud Computing [02:42] techrights-bot *** *** Yesterday's bulletin ready. http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2021-03-27.txt [02:51] techrights-bot #Arduino World Gathering 2021: the official community conference you cant miss https://blog.arduino.cc/2021/03/27/arduino-world-gathering-2021/ [02:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.arduino.cc | Arduino World Gathering, October 2021 [02:52] techrights-bot PQIV: The Simple Mans Image Viewer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqGiX0ZMFUQ [02:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-PQIV: The Simple Mans Image Viewer - YouTube [02:54] *DVulgaris (~quassel@185.108.81.14) has joined #techrights [02:54] *MinceR gives voice to DVulgaris [02:54] techrights-bot The #raspi OS is being forked, to tackle the #microsoft #spyware problem. So maybe those will become more acceptable in the future, albeit they give money to Microsoft #surveillance enablers https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/03/27/raspberry-pi-cm4-iot-router-carrier-board-mini-offers-dual-gigabit-ethernet/ [02:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | $30 Raspberry Pi CM4 IoT Router Carrier Board Mini offers Dual Gigabit Ethernet [02:55] techrights-bot "Destination Linux virtual user group meetup. More openSUSE users all around these days. Two openSUSE board members." https://cubiclenate.com/2021/03/26/noodlings-26-redemption/ [02:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Noodlings 26 | Redemption CubicleNate's Techpad [02:56] techrights-bot #GoAccess A Real Time #Apache & #Nginx Log Analyzer https://tecadmin.net/goaccess-a-real-time-web-log-analyzer/ [02:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tecadmin.net | GoAccess - A Real Time Apache & Nginx Log Analyzer TecAdmin [02:58] techrights-bot Arm Neoverse V1 Tuning Lands In #GCC 11 #Compiler https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Arm-Neoverse-V1-Tuning-GCC11 #gnu [02:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Arm Neoverse V1 Tuning Lands In GCC 11 Compiler - Phoronix [02:59] techrights-bot #freesw #gpl and #copyleft power the #www at CMS level, too https://wptavern.com/wordpress-passes-40-market-share-of-alexa-top-10-million-websites [02:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wptavern.com | WordPress Passes 40% Market Share of Alexa Top 10 Million Websites WordPress Tavern ● Mar 28 [03:01] techrights-bot #ArcoLinux 21.03.11 has been released. https://www.arcolinux.info/ #gnu #linux [03:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.arcolinux.info | ArcoLinux | ArcoLinux [03:01] techrights-ipfs IPFS local node stats TotalIn: 7.8 MB TotalOut: 2.1 MB [03:01] techrights-ipfs New bulletin just generated and added to IPFS with CID: [03:02] techrights-ipfs QmWJUrDJ8Cf9hRZ5fafvtT2j91xgpVXyaC9dSViC9Se3Gs [03:03] *ephemer0l (~ephemer0l@pentoo/user/ephemer0l) has left #techrights ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.") [03:03] schestowitz__ so much ddos today [03:03] schestowitz__ brb [03:04] schestowitz__ I think we've gone past all that [03:04] schestowitz__ exhausting... [03:06] techrights-bot In defence of OOP http://blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2021/03/in-defence-of-oop.html #perl #programming [03:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-In defence of OOP | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org] [03:18] techrights-bot That divisive #debian GR ought to be withdrawn if DPL Cartel gives a damn about the project and about truth. Right now, albeit unwittingly, they help the real enablers of Epstein distract from their culpability. [03:21] techrights-bot Far too many companies have given GAFAM (basically, #pantagon connected capitalists) tremendous amount of power/leverage over them... [03:23] techrights-bot "Theres a Dutch phrase, voortschrijdend inzicht, which can be used to describe new insights and continuous improvement in something. In social media terms, perhaps TIL comes close. Lets talk about an under-illuminated, yet useful CMake feature. Script mode!" https://euroquis.nl//kde/2021/03/28/cmake-scriptmode.html [03:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euroquis.nl | CMake Script Mode | [bobulate] [03:30] techrights-bot The Freedom to Control Your Own Computer http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/dangerous-ideas-of-rms/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/dangerous-ideas-of-rms/ #fsf [03:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Freedom to Control Your Own Computer | Techrights [03:32] techrights-bot Rule of thumb: just because #microsoft is exceptionally malicious and evil (and highly corrupt too) doesn't mean #ibm and #google -- among others -- are also malicious and evil. Don't fall victim to #marketing campaign and bribed 'nonprofits'... [03:32] techrights-bot Top 10 reasons to use Debian as your Linux distro http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149314 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #debian [03:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top 10 reasons to use Debian as your Linux distro | Tux Machines [03:32] techrights-bot Antonio Terceiro: Migrating from Chef to #itamae http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149315 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines #debian [03:32] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antonio Terceiro: Migrating from Chef to itamae | Tux Machines [03:34] techrights-bot We've been getting lots of VERY supportive messages for our work in #techrights lately. Many people appreciate what we do and point out we're the only ones doing work in some neglected but important areas. 4 million hits over #www this past week (not including gemini, ipfs etc.) [03:36] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/h_ckrh_rt/status/1375855443944341505 [03:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@h_ckrh_rt: https://t.co/jmYNyu5aj1 [03:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | Techrights [03:36] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/lxer_feed/status/1375918753486151684 [03:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lxer_feed: A Factual Timeline of Attempts to Pressure the FSF Into Submission (Not to Promote Real Community and Freedom) https://t.co/9kIhJhVLlq [03:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | A Factual Timeline of Attempts to Pressure the FSF Into Submission (Not to Promote Real Community and Freedom) | Techrights [03:38] techrights-bot Angry, lying, foaming-at-the-mouth mob: kill RMS because he's rude. Also that same mob: calling people "douchenozzle" for reporting the facts accurately (yes, some hypocrisy issues right there!) https://twitter.com/wwahammy/status/1373821668624322560 [03:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wwahammy: Also, the guy running techrights is a douchenozzle but it's the source I have. [03:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.90 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 29.75 swarm size (avg): 158.45 [03:41] techrights-bot There's a torrent of pro-RMS pieces on the way: IMPORTANT: MANY PEOPLE SUPPORT RMS BUT CANNOT SPEAK OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE GAGGED! The ORGanisations are afraid of the mob! Bonus: no, you don't hate to "hate women" to agree with RMS on many technical things! ;-) [03:42] techrights-bot The dangerous ideas of RMS; who are those dangerous to? Whose business model? http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/dangerous-ideas-of-rms/ #fsf #rms #freesw #video [03:44] techrights-bot How #billgates paid (bribed?) my employer after we had submitted a request to #police about arrest at his home for #pedophilia (and yes, they later handed us ~3000 pages of police record to confirm this) http://techrights.org/2020/06/03/gatesgate-opener/ [03:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part I: Lost the Job After Writing an Article Critical of Bill Gates for Attacking Some Actual, Legitimate Charities (Because They Had Spread GNU/Linux) | Techrights [03:45] techrights-bot How #billgates bribed media that reported on his crimes: http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/the-gates-press-and-conspiracy-theorists/ [03:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part II: When Media That You Bribe Calls All Your Critics Conspiracy Theorists (to Keep Them Silenced, Marginalised) | Techrights [03:46] techrights-bot One might not expect this from a so-called charity; the Gates Foundations critics are often met with unprecedented aggression, threats and retribution, which make one wonder if its really a charity or a greedy cult of personalities (Bill and Melinda) http://techrights.org/2020/06/05/gates-foundation-cult-of-personalities/ [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part III: What Happens When You Tell the Truth About Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation | Techrights [03:46] techrights-bot The effort to reconstruct the spiked piece about #BillGates attacking charities is underway; theres meanwhile new pushback against Gates for trying to control the narrative for profit and for fame http://techrights.org/2020/06/12/burning-history/ [03:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part IV: Burning History | Techrights [03:47] techrights-bot "This is the same philanthropy which apparently ousted him from a major publisher, soon to be replaced with Gates himself as the editor (see prior parts of this series)." http://techrights.org/2020/06/23/urgency-calls/ [03:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part V: Putting the Series on Hold to Focus on More Urgent Matters | Techrights [03:48] techrights-bot Weve decided to shelve this series or end it for the time being in order to focus more on the Seattle PDs #FOIA , which will soon yield the second installment about the arrest of Bill Gates engineer (arrest for pedophilia) http://techrights.org/2020/07/16/gates-press-sunset/ [03:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Gates Press (GatesGate) Part VI: Sunsetting for Now | Techrights [03:49] techrights-bot A few weeks after RMS was 'canceled' (also weeks after the #billgates #mit Epstein scandal) http://techrights.org/2019/10/12/not-stallman-but-gates/ [03:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The New York Times About the Real Epstein-Software Scandal (Nothing to Do With Stallman) | Techrights [03:50] techrights-bot "Only a month or so later when the New York Times published this piece entitled Bill Gates Met With Jeffrey Epstein Many Times, Despite His Past the former (and original) subject came back to life." http://techrights.org/2020/06/20/rms-cancel-book/ [03:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | There May be Another Book on the Way | Techrights [03:50] techrights-bot "The media shifts back its attention to Bill Gates, who benefited from the media turning on Richard Stallman at MIT (just when Gates had a massive MIT scandal); Gates escaped Microsofts board a few days ago (strategic timing)" http://techrights.org/2020/03/18/rms-and-unseen-article-pd/ [03:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Inside the Free Software Foundation (FSF) Part VIII: Bill Gates Quietly Leaves Microsoft and Media Focuses Again on His Abuses (Instead of Richard Stallman) | Techrights [03:51] techrights-bot Before the mainstream media decided that some E-mail from #RichardStallman was the biggest #MIT scandal the following media coverage and revelations happened to have gone public (a few days before attention was shifted to Stallman) http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/the-real-mit-scandal/ [03:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Published One Year Ago Today: The Real MIT Scandal (Before Attention Was Shifted Entirely to Richard Stallman) | Techrights [03:53] techrights-bot Today #techrights will revisit #DavidKappos scandals. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/David_Kappos #ibm #microsoft #corruption [03:53] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | David Kappos - Techrights [03:54] techrights-bot Red Hat was appalled to learn that he had rejoined the FSF board of directors [03:55] techrights-bot #redhat : "we are immediately suspending all Red Hat funding of the FSF" Good, so #fsf can finally explain why #systemd is dangerous to #freesw communities and #gnu systems we can all manage, control, develop. [03:56] techrights-bot #ibm called employees "contributors": "Red Hat contributors have told us they no longer plan to participate in FSF-led or backed events, and we stand behind them." Maybe IBM can also called its employees "community"... see http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/ [03:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Free Software Freedom is Not Linux | Techrights [03:57] techrights-bot Red Hat: "In 2019, we called on the FSF board to use the opportunity created by Stallmans departure to transition to a more diverse, inclusive board membership." Look at the mirror!!! http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [03:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [03:58] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat : "The FSF took only limited steps in this direction." Read as: FSF must take orders and instruction from a company that commits #genocide http://techrights.org/2020/09/29/ibm-keen-sense-of-public-relations/ [03:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBMs Founder, Mr. Watson (Yes, That Watson), Had Very Keen Sense of Public Relations | Techrights [03:59] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat : "Richard Stallmans return has reopened wounds" How many people have you murdered (not wounded), IBM, and moreover for profit? http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/ibm-and-the-bomb-part-6-final/ [03:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and the Bomb Part VI: Diplomacy Replaced With Trade (Money Over Politics), or How Watson Jr. Was Sold to the Public, in the Same Way His Father (IBM Co-founder) Sold His Business Relationship With Dictators Like Hitler | Techrights ● Mar 28 [04:00] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat : "We believe that in order to regain the confidence of the broader free software community..." No, IBM, you are #opensource and NOT "free software". You say so yourself. You're part of the assault on #softwarefreedom and you show it. http://techrights.org/2020/11/09/thomas-grzybowski-on-freesw/ [04:02] techrights-bot #redhat / #ibm : "the FSF should make fundamental and lasting changes to its governance." Read as: the #fsf should change its mission to better suit IBM, which is attacking community distros of GNU/Linux while lobbying for #swpats to cement monopoly See http://techrights.org/2021/03/18/swpats-as-weapon-against-the-community/ [04:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Trolling Community Developers of GNU/Linux Via Patent Trolls Part III: The Technical and Legal Burden as Weapon Against the Community | Techrights [04:03] techrights-bot Quite a few #ibm #redhat engineers who care about #freesw have already quit the company http://techrights.org/2021/03/19/ibm-is-destroying-rht/ [04:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM is Destroying Red Hat and Red Hatters Are Leaving | Techrights [04:04] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat is firing workers who work on #freew while promoting people who do not even use #gnu #linux !! http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/ [04:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning, Jim Whitehurst Isnt Even Using GNU/Linux | Techrights [04:04] techrights-bot IBM: "On Wednesday, the FSF board of directors committed to a series of changes related to organizational governance and the appointment of members to its board of directors." Read as: we bought #redhat to blackmail the #fsf into doing what we tell them... [04:05] techrights-bot #Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, March 27, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin Archives [04:05] techrights-bot #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:06] techrights-bot #ibm #redhat : "we have no reason to believe that the most recent FSF board statement signals any meaningful commitment to positive change." Read as: the people who actually care about #gnu #linux and #freesw have the audacity not to OBEY OUR COMMANDS!! [04:08] techrights-bot We look forward to working with the FSF and others to enable the FSF [04:09] techrights-bot #redhat / #ibm says it wants "enable the FSF to once again become an effective and trusted advocacy organization in line with its chartered non-profit mission." Nonsense. IBM just lost patience, seeing its own profits fall because it cannot turn RHEL into another proprietary UNIX. GPL stands in their way! [04:10] techrights-bot #ibm : RMS is sexist. Ignore our own behaviour. Look away!! http://techrights.org/2020/10/04/more-ibm-history/ IBM founder's family literally assaulted women. [04:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Journey Back in History: Misconduct or Disorderly Conduct (Stuffing Money Down the Fronts of Stewardesses Blouses, According to Witness Account) by Arthur Watson of IBM (Founders Son and Former IBM Chief), Followed by Watsons Admission and Resignation | Techrights [04:11] techrights-bot #suse is not a #freesw company. Moreover, it's run by a sales person from #ProprietarySofwtare giant SAP and it shows. We know what SAP said about RMS over the years (attacking him because he posed a threat to their business). http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/novell-suse-sap/ [04:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | SUSE Said It Was Becoming Independent But Instead It Became Like an Asset of SAP (German Microsoft), Which is Hostile Towards Free Software | Techrights [04:13] techrights-bot #ibm #nepotism and #pentagon connections http://techrights.org/2020/08/01/ibm-and-the-bomb-part-4/ [04:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and the Bomb Part IV: IBMs Watson Came Under Fire for Representing the U.S. in U.S.S.R./Russia With No Qualifications or Any Relevant Experience | Techrights [04:13] techrights-bot #IBM and the #Bomb Part I: How IBM Played a Technical and Diplomatic Role in the Cold War http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/cold-war-ibm/ #nuke profiteers [04:13] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and the Bomb Part I: How IBM Played a Technical and Diplomatic Role in the Cold War | Techrights [04:14] techrights-bot Sometimes #ibm even runs the US government http://techrights.org/2020/07/29/ibm-and-the-bomb-intro/ [04:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Declassified 6-8 Years Ago: Thomas Watson Jr. (Son of IBM Founder) as Politician Navigating Cold War Politics | Techrights [04:15] techrights-bot It is not weird that #ibm was boosting #trump ... it also did #nixon http://techrights.org/2020/07/26/ibm-watson-plane-incident/ [04:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Meet the IBM Watsons: Sponsors of Richard Nixon and Abusers of Women | Techrights [04:15] techrights-bot Like his father, who was IBMs co-founder and later president of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC), which helped the Nazis, Watson Jr. entered US and international politics in his later days; recently-declassified documents show us his political legacy http://techrights.org/2020/08/01/ibm-and-the-bomb-part-3/ [04:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and the Bomb Part III: IBMs Watson Jr. Rose From Business V.I.P. to U.S. Ambassador in the Soviet Union During the Cold War (Which IBM Profited From) | Techrights [04:16] techrights-bot We remind readers of the role #IBM played in unbridled #armament (from which it profited a lot) whilst also picking diplomatic roles in the American government http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/ibm-as-global-superpower/ #redhat #militarism [04:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM and the Bomb Part II: How IBM Sneaks Into Positions of Power (and Nuclear Power, Global Superpower, Nuclear Weapons) | Techrights [04:17] techrights-bot It would take some real courage and DISSENT for #redhat NOT to push #backdoors into things. #ibm doesn't care about #security but fakes it http://techrights.org/2021/01/30/fake-security/ [04:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Fake Security is Still a Real Problem, Even in the GNU/Linux (and BSD) Spheres | Techrights [04:18] techrights-bot Russ Allbery: faq2html 1.36 https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2021-03/004.html [04:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eyrie.org | Eagle's Path: faq2html 1.36 (2021-03-27) [04:19] techrights-bot Many people conveniently forget that when RMS (69 soon) started the #gnu project the "Evil empire" was #IBM and not #Microsoft .... Microsoft was propped up originally by IBM (to appease #antitrust regulators) http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/real-history-of-microsoft/ [04:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Real History of Microsoft and How It Became Successful | Techrights [04:20] techrights-bot The #ibm 'golden era' of some CEOs is long gone. Palmisano helped us a lot (with #gnu #linux and #opendocument etc.) but in recent years IBM was hardly an ally. It also ruins #redhat http://techrights.org/2021/03/19/ibm-is-destroying-rht/ [04:23] techrights-bot #ibm has a layoffs frenzy ongoing. It could really use some outbursts directly at #gnu because GNU systems replaces a lot of "legacy" IBM stuff. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1a4mJ29G [04:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Former HR Partner - post regarding IBM layoffs [04:23] techrights-bot #ibm has a layoffs frenzy ongoing. It could really use some outbursts directed at #gnu because GNU systems replace a lot of legacy IBM stuff. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1a4mJ29G [04:25] techrights-bot People who run #suse DO NOT EVEN USE GNU/LINUX!!! Source: former insider https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/SUSEEFFStallman:6 [04:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | SUSE, EFF Attack Stallman [04:26] techrights-bot #redhat CEO and now #IBM president (Jim AllowHurst) is not even using #gnu #linux but a Mac http://techrights.org/2020/08/02/red-hat-layoffs/ [04:26] techrights-bot "Remember when IBM was known for going out of its way to hire the best and smartest people and then simply let them innovate and create? What happened to that company?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1a4BnbAD [04:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Once upon a time - post regarding IBM layoffs [04:27] techrights-bot #ibm is in a freefall and the people who set up the anti-RMS petition are mostly backed by IBM (GNOME, OSI...) https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1a3pkahW [04:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM selling Power and Z processors to Intel?? - post regarding IBM layoffs [04:29] techrights-bot Major #ibm layoffs planned weeks from now. It's not FSF that's in trouble but IBM. https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1a293MgI also OSI: (zero staff!!) http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ [04:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Layoffs before the end of March? - post regarding IBM layoffs [04:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | Techrights [04:31] techrights-bot Forget layoffs. Everyone is quitting #ibm https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1a003nc8 Even #redhat employees now quit IBM (IBM sends drones to attack people who point this out, they ganged up on me last weekend) http://techrights.org/2021/03/19/ibm-is-destroying-rht/ [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Forget layoffs. Everyone is quitting - post regarding IBM layoffs [04:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM is Destroying Red Hat and Red Hatters Are Leaving | Techrights [04:32] techrights-bot The maltreatment of #RedHat at the hands of #IBM is driving away people who joined Red Hat thinking it would help promote something positive, unlike the business model and ruthless #patent aggression of IBM http://techrights.org/2021/03/19/ibm-is-destroying-rht/ anti- #FSF statements would speed this up [04:36] MinceR is it really maltreatment? red hat was evil before ibm bought them [04:38] techrights-bot The #techrights boxes have evidence of USPTO abuse... with lots of PDFs sent our way. But we shall focus on what this means to #gnu #linux users... #ibm and #microsoft being corrupt and evil. [04:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 29.95 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 60.58 swarm size (avg): 158.60 [04:40] techrights-bot Ever since #ibm bought #redhat the #gnomefoundation (IBM and friends) has been constantly bullying and defaming #fsf people. They're the ones who set up the anti-RMS "petition" (cyberbullying an old man) https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/9s7nhy/ibm_buying_redhat_will_it_have_any_effect_on_gnome/ [04:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | IBM buying redhat - will it have any effect on GNOME? : gnome [04:41] techrights-bot #GNOMEFoundation was founded on 15 August 2000 by #ibm and #redhat among other companies. Now it's a hornets' nest that keeps pestering #fsf (it also did this in 2009) and its presidents later become #microsoft employees [04:43] techrights-bot More than 3 former board members of #GNOMEFoundation work for #microsoft (which is likely made worse by the fast several of them were also GNOME Foundation presidents). What do they stand for? [04:44] techrights-bot #GNOMEFoundation even added 'former' #microsoft employees to its board -- people who would later attack the entire #freesw community to help Microsoft #monopoly http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/nat-friedman-proprietary-software/ [04:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GitHubs Nat Friedman Defended Proprietary Software at Novell, So Why Not at Microsoft? | Techrights [04:45] techrights-bot The #GNOMEFoundation s Potentially Useless Defense Strategy is an OIN-Styled Fix and Not a Software Patents Fix (Abolition) http://techrights.org/2019/11/07/gnome-foundation-oin-ibm/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/11/07/gnome-foundation-oin-ibm/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/28/#latest [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The GNOME Foundations Potentially Useless Defense Strategy is an OIN-Styled Fix and Not a Software Patents Fix (Abolition) | Techrights [04:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [04:46] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [04:46] schestowitz__ "I thought that he was kicked out of the board by irate women rights' activists for being a notorious misogynist who is deemed to hate all women, including his own aunts !? He is certainly guilty of numerous gender crimes. Unless Richard finally agrees to a sex change, he is to be repudiated, cancelled, shunned, and reprobated ! " [04:46] schestowitz__ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/mavsud/richard_stallman_is_coming_back_to_the_board_of/ [04:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Richard Stallman is Coming Back to the Board of the Free Software Foundation : programming [04:47] *davisr_ (~davisr@cpe-70-92-166-130.wi.res.rr.com) has joined #techrights [04:47] *schestowitz__ gives voice to davisr [04:48] techrights-bot "I am one of the few people who is extremely happy that Richard Stallman has come back to the FSF." Not few at all! https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/comments/maahv0/richard_stallman_is_coming_back_to_the_board_of/ [04:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Richard Stallman is Coming Back to the Board of the Free Software Foundation : StallmanWasRight [04:49] *davisr has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:54] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:54] schestowitz__ Isn't it marvellous? The world's not all bad after all :) [04:54] schestowitz__ [04:54] schestowitz__ quote from https://www.reddit.com/r/FreeAsInFreedom/comments/mam4en/richard_stallman_is_coming_back_to_the_board_of/ [04:54] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Richard Stallman is Coming Back to the Board of the Free Software Foundation : FreeAsInFreedom [04:54] schestowitz__ " [04:54] schestowitz__ Yes! This! is what I was going to post here. [04:54] schestowitz__ Congratulations to u/kitsandkats/ and probably every reader on here! [04:54] schestowitz__ " [04:56] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [04:57] techrights-bot Lots of #ibm layoffs these days. But let's attack the #fsf ... let's find someone to blame. Like #gnu founder that makes IBM irrelevant in many servers (you don't need IBM to have servers) https://www.thelayoff.com/t/19W1IHh3 [04:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Any layoffs this week? - post regarding IBM layoffs [04:58] techrights-bot #ibm "is the titanic. The question is are you Ismay or the musicians?" https://www.thelayoff.com/t/19W1IHh3 ● Mar 28 [05:01] techrights-bot "From what I hear, #RedHat staff have a reputation of being low quality but heavily pampered." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/19URm6td #ibm [05:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | Confusion about leaving IBM and going to RedHat - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:01] techrights-bot "Redhat is dead meat, they just don't know it yet. When they jettisoned Centos, ubuntu got the upper hand." https://www.thelayoff.com/t/19URm6td [05:03] schestowitz__ https://www.thelayoff.com/t/19PTohZk [05:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBMs Patent Income Slips as Companies Resist Godfather Deals - post regarding IBM layoffs [05:03] schestowitz__ " [05:03] schestowitz__ To add to this thread, and older article on the topic of IBM as a patent bully. [05:03] schestowitz__ http://techrights.org/2017/03/03/complaints-over-ibm-swpats/ [05:03] schestowitz__ " [05:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM is a Massive Patent Bully That Amasses Software Patents, So Invalidation or Sharing of One Single Patent Misses the Point Entirely | Techrights [05:06] techrights-bot The 'Reprehensible' "Neil McGovern and Juke need .mailmap support as they have committed with different names." https://daniel-lange.com/archives/171-The-Stallman-wars.html [05:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ https://daniel-lange.com/archives/171-The-Stallman-wars.html ) [05:06] Chaekyung https://linuxreviews.org/images/8/80/Rms-letter-chart.jpg [05:07] techrights-bot #debian election coming up and running a divisive vote to appease #google #ibm and #microsoft shills isn't wise for the project. Vote for someone clever enough to talk down this stupid GR. https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2021/03/msg00000.html [05:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | Debian Project Leader Elections 2021: Call for nominations [05:09] CrystalMath https://cdrom.tokyo/notice/A5emVWkkSkK1EFqW6y [05:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cdrom.tokyo | [05:10] techrights-bot 3,400 people signed in support of #RMS at the #FSF (people, not greedy corporations, which is actually more of a badge of honour). Many institutions against it are funded by #google #ibm and #microsoft as one might expect. They have personal motivations. $$$. Not freedom. [05:10] techrights-bot An almost complete list (about 80 blog posts and articles) about #RMS coming back to #FSF Board http://tuxmachines.org/node/149083#comment-28839 more recently there was more pro-RMS than against him... [05:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [05:11] techrights-bot #IBM #RMS #GNU #FSF #OSI https://cdrom.tokyo/notice/A5emVWkkSkK1EFqW6y [05:11] schestowitz__ Chaekyung: nice [05:13] techrights-bot The corporate shilling 'shilling' (as in coinage) is running out. #Microsoft : FINISH ZE JOB!! IBM: FFS !! Red Hat, finish him! Google: need to sponsor more orgs to do our biddings! https://linuxreviews.org/images/8/80/Rms-letter-chart.jpg [05:14] techrights-bot #google funded #internetTrolls : "After months of parking in our IRC channels to provoke and troll people (and try to collect dirt from responses) the professional troll Matthew Garrett has been for many years shows his true colours again" http://techrights.org/2021/03/05/google-funded-trolls/ [05:14] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Professional Troll Matthew Garrett Spreads Libel, Defamation and Slander About the Free Software Community to Entertain Microsoft and Friends | Techrights [05:14] schestowitz__ CrystalMath: nice [05:14] schestowitz__ but... [05:14] schestowitz__ some companies missing [05:14] schestowitz__ and RMS is painted as che [05:14] CrystalMath heh [05:14] schestowitz__ and that plays into the "communism" slant [05:15] schestowitz__ anyhoo... spirits are higher now [05:15] schestowitz__ at FSF camp [05:15] schestowitz__ compared to days ago [05:15] schestowitz__ wind back in some sails, morale improved [05:15] schestowitz__ I've spoken to some people [05:17] techrights-bot Why RMS is a Great Mascot (and spokesperson) for Free Software https://odysee.com/@Lunduke:e/RMSGoodMascot:b #rms #gnu #fsf [05:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-odysee.com | Why RMS is a Great Mascot (and spokesperson) for Free Software [05:19] techrights-bot Conflating #patents with "Innovative" https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/uspto-womens-entrepreneurship-symposium-3.html #monopolies and #innovation are now the same thing at all [05:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: USPTO Women's Entrepreneurship Symposium [05:20] techrights-bot IPO is an #ibm front group for #swpats and #patent maximalism. I've not yet seen any evidence of IBM walking away from that anti- #freesw lobby. https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/ipo-webinar-on-assignor-estoppel.html [05:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: IPO Webinar on Assignor Estoppel [05:23] techrights-bot "Protecting Technology in a Time of Vanishing Borders and Rising Nationalism" is an exploitation of "woke" #politics to promote #monopolies that actively amplify #racism and #nationalism (sometimes profiting by bombing other countries too) https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/03/fcba-remote-program-on-protecting-technology.html [05:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: FCBA Remote Program on Protecting Technology [05:24] techrights-bot It's a lot easier to attack a person (and someone's character, even based on fabrications or distortion) than to attack concepts http://techrights.org/2019/09/06/rms-track-record/ #assange #wikileaks [05:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Guest Post: Getting Stallman Wrong Means Getting The 21st Century Wrong | Techrights [05:28] schestowitz__ Chaekyung: I will 'steal' your graph [05:30] schestowitz__ > It's way past your bedtime! [05:30] schestowitz__ > [05:30] schestowitz__ > Cheers [05:30] schestowitz__ > Adrienne [05:31] schestowitz__ > [05:31] schestowitz__ Added my sig, will ask others to do the same [05:31] schestowitz__ https://codeberg.org/rms-support-letter/rms-support-letter/issues/1#issuecomment-185588 [05:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-#1 - Make a comment here if you want to be added without a github account - rms-support-letter - Codeberg.org [05:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [05:39] techrights-bot Sign the Petition in Favour of #RMS as #FSF Board Member (Using Codeberg) http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/petition-in-favour-of-freesw/ #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/petition-in-favour-of-freesw/ [05:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Sign the Petition in Favour of RMS as FSF Board Member (Using Codeberg) | Techrights [05:40] techrights-bot Help make the point that corporations and #corporatemedia (which they partly own) cannot fool all the people all the time. Make a comment here if you want to be added without a (Microsoft) GitHub account http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/petition-in-favour-of-freesw/ #deletegithub #monopolies #fsf [05:41] *schestowitz__ gives voice to techrights-ipfs [05:42] techrights-bot Debian Buster 10.9 Is Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149305#comment-28865 #debian #gnu #linux [05:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updated Debian 10: 10.9 released | Tux Machines [05:43] techrights-bot #Mesa Considers Raising CPU Support Baseline https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-2021-CPU-Baseline #linux #graphics [05:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa Considers Raising CPU Support Baseline - Phoronix [05:44] techrights-bot Many projects in this list have decided to #deletegithub since http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Delete_Github #microsoft drives users and projects away just by being Microsoft http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/ [05:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Delete Github - Techrights [05:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights [05:49] Chaekyung schestowitz__: you can steal my graph https://linuxreviews.org/File:Rms-letter-chart.jpg the images I make are mostly public domain licensed. But you can also make your own https://linuxreviews.org/Open-RMS-Letter_Chart_Generator [05:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | File:Rms-letter-chart.jpg - LinuxReviews [05:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxreviews.org | Open-RMS-Letter Chart Generator - LinuxReviews [05:49] schestowitz__ will be nice to see this petition exceeding 10k or 100k [05:49] schestowitz__ doable [05:49] schestowitz__ if there's momentum building [05:49] schestowitz__ BUT... [05:50] schestowitz__ the corporate media won't cover this [05:50] schestowitz__ "revolution won't be televised" and all... [05:50] *avalos has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [05:50] Chaekyung I'd love to just see the support letter get 2:1 [05:50] Chaekyung 10:1 would be better, obviously, but just being able to show there's 2x as many supporters as haters would be nice. [05:51] *avalos (~avalos@ec2-3-13-12-160.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com) has joined #techrights ● Mar 28 [06:01] techrights-bot Links 28/3/2021: #IPFire 2.25 Core Update 155 and GNU #Emacs 27.2 http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/gnu-emacs-27-2/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/27/gnu-emacs-27-2/ [06:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/3/2021: IPFire 2.25 Core Update 155 and GNU Emacs 27.2 | Techrights [06:01] techrights-bot #Programming Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149316 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:01] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [06:02] techrights-bot #Games : OpenSpades, Razer, and Boiling Steam http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149317 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: OpenSpades, Razer, and Boiling Steam | Tux Machines [06:02] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Support Software Freedom | https://www.fsf.org/) [06:02] techrights-bot #SamVarghese of #itwire has #BeardEnvy [06:03] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149318 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [06:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [06:03] techrights-bot Shame on CBS. Sucks to be the #microsoft poodles of #zdnet ... investing so much money trying to oust RMS only to be folding the cards, showing more reasons to #boycottZDNet http://techrights.org/2020/09/10/sjvn-senior-moment/ [06:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | One Year Later Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols Libel Against Richard Stallman Remains Online and Uncorrected at ZDNet | Techrights [06:04] techrights-bot Both #ibm and #microsoft sponsor (bribe) #zdnet so of course ZDNet cannot and will not say something positive about RMS. #CorruptMedia #bribery [06:04] schestowitz__ Chaekyung: [06:04] schestowitz__ $3,325,377 [06:05] schestowitz__ 2018 - 2019 [06:05] schestowitz__ https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=conservancy+software&state%5Bid%5D=&ntee%5Bid%5D=&c_code%5Bid%5D= [06:05] schestowitz__ it grew from 2 million [06:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-projects.propublica.org | Organization Search - Nonprofit Explorer - ProPublica [06:05] Chaekyung wow [06:07] techrights-bot The year #SFC started taking #google and #microsoft bribes (selling keynotes to attack #copyright in events called "CopyleftConf") their revenue jumped one million dollars to $3,325,377. They have higher cashflow than the FSF because they attack the FSF and help Microsoft. http://techrights.org/2020/12/04/sfc-not-about-freedom/ [06:07] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Software Freedom Conservancy (SFC) is Not About Freedom | Techrights [06:07] schestowitz__ Chaekyung: they don't have their latest filing online yet [06:07] schestowitz__ just the number [06:08] techrights-bot 2013: The #Conservancy Behind Samsungs Decision to Embrace GPL After Violating the #GPL http://techrights.org/2013/08/20/software-freedom-conservancy-and-gpl/ #Techrights #GNU #FreeSW [06:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Conservancy Behind Samsungs Decision to Embrace GPL After Violating the GPL | Techrights [06:09] techrights-bot 2020: General Manager of #OpenSourceInitiative (OSI) Brought Microsoft Money to the Conservancy for Two Years in a Row, Letting a Copyleft Foe and #GPL Violator Buy Keynote Talks in Copyleft Events http://techrights.org/2020/08/21/osi-gm/ #Techrights #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/21/osi-gm/ [06:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | General Manager of Open Source Initiative (OSI) Brought Microsoft Money to the Conservancy for Two Years in a Row, Letting a Copyleft Foe and GPL Violator Buy Keynote Talks in Copyleft Events | Techrights [06:11] techrights-bot 2020: The #SoftwareFreedomConservancy Needs to Resign From #Microsoft Before Telling Microsoft to Resign From #RIAA http://techrights.org/2020/11/02/sfc-morality/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/11/02/sfc-morality/ [06:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Software Freedom Conservancy Needs to Resign From Microsoft Before Telling Microsoft to Resign From RIAA | Techrights [06:11] techrights-bot 2020: Big Money Can Do Big Damage to Membership-Dependent Organisations (Which Should Remain Accountable to Members, Not Big Sponsors) http://techrights.org/2020/09/05/big-sponsors-dilemma/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/09/05/big-sponsors-dilemma/ #SoftwareFreedomConservancy [06:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Big Money Can Do Big Damage to Membership-Dependent Organisations (Which Should Remain Accountable to Members, Not Big Sponsors) | Techrights [06:12] techrights-bot 2020: A Closer Look at Richard Stallmans Ousters From Inside the Free Software Foundation (Board) http://techrights.org/2020/12/05/dmca-sfc/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/12/05/dmca-sfc/ #SoftwareFreedomConservancy [06:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | A Closer Look at Richard Stallmans Ousters From Inside the Free Software Foundation (Board) | Techrights [06:12] techrights-bot 2020: Platinum (Top) Sponsors of #CopyleftConf Are Companies That Attack Copylefts Father, Richard Stallman http://techrights.org/2020/04/30/copyleft-conf-2020/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/04/30/copyleft-conf-2020/ [06:12] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Platinum (Top) Sponsors of Copyleft Conf Are Companies That Attack Copylefts Father, Richard Stallman | Techrights [06:15] techrights-bot Bradley Kuhn and Karen Saldler bag and take home (tax free, because 'charity' [sic]) more than a quarter million bucks per year whilst also bagging #microsoft and #SurveillanceCapitalism cash. They made a business model out of attacks of the very things they once proclaimed to defend. [06:17] techrights-bot Don't fall for the #SoftwareFreedomConservancy "really needed money" spiel to justify them taking #microsoft money. The SFC has more than $3,000,000 in the bank and that amount of money grows fast. They make mountains of money while attacking RMS and by extension the FSF too. [06:19] techrights-bot Suffice to say, #microsoft is a SERIAL #gpl violator and not just a prime source of GPL FUD. A decade ago Microsoft got caught violating GPL THREE times in just one year, e.g. #hyperV (and those are just the times Microsoft got caught) http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Hyper-V_Reality_Log [06:19] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Hyper-V Reality Log - Techrights [06:20] techrights-bot At #vmware #microsoft veterans oversaw the large-scale #gpl violation http://techrights.org/2020/04/28/openwashing-vmware-after-gpl-abuses/ and #SoftwareFreedomConservancy bags money from these people!! [06:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Has Helped VMware Lie About Its Deliberate GPL Violations That are Connected to Microsoft, Another Prolific GPL Violator | Techrights [06:20] techrights-bot "As it turned out, Simon Phipps (OSI) and FSFE worked to betray the FSF" http://techrights.org/2021/03/27/osi-completely-defunct/ [06:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The FSF Got a Tonne of Free Media Coverage/Publicity While the OSI Goes Defunct Completely (a Corpse of an Institution, Weaponised Against Free Software) | Techrights [06:21] techrights-bot Sorry, I got lost. I cannot find the #CancelOSI or #CancelPhipps petition anywhere at #microsoft #github http://techrights.org/2020/10/11/osi-and-rms/ [06:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Open Source Initiative Cannot Lecture People on Manners and Tolerance (and Probably Never Could) | Techrights [06:26] techrights-bot Some important and exclusive (long-planned) reports to come later today... #techrights gets lots of info tips and leaks these days. [06:27] techrights-bot #microsoft : cancel RMS and Install Microsoft Edge, with our repos and keys so that we have root access to your #gnu #linux box. THAT IS THE SORT OF FSF (and Raspberry Pi Foundation) they want! #nsa #orwell [06:33] techrights-bot Nice to see disgruntled #ibm employees linking to #techrights to condemn IBM #patent #extortion tactics. [06:34] techrights-bot #ibm officials: we fight #racism IBM insiders and veterans: NO, WE DO NOT! We should, but we DON'T. http://techrights.org/2020/08/20/ibm-employees-condemn-ibm-leaders/ [06:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | 2,445 IBM Employees Openly Condemned IBM for Enabling Racist and Intolerant Regimes | Techrights [06:36] techrights-bot #IBM : we lie to the public and pay the media (and now use #linuxfoundation to work as media proxy) to white-wash -- or allow-watch, whatever! -- our role in mass #genocide http://techrights.org/2020/08/14/ibm-watson-letter/ [06:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | International Business Machines and the 1941 Watson Letter Which Refutes IBM Denials | Techrights [06:36] techrights-bot #IBM Emb(RACE) Campaign is an Insult to History and Historians http://techrights.org/2020/10/19/ibm-embrace/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/10/19/ibm-embrace/ [06:36] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBMs Emb(RACE) Campaign is an Insult to History and Historians | Techrights [06:37] techrights-bot #IBM Never Apologised For Making Billions Out of Overt #Racism , Now It Wants to Ban Words Used to Communicate Such Issues and Its Bombarding Journalists to Seed Misleading Puff Pieces http://techrights.org/2020/08/20/ibm-race-spin/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/08/20/ibm-race-spin/ [06:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Never Apologised For Making Billions Out of Overt Racism, Now It Wants to Ban Words Used to Communicate Such Issues and Its Bombarding Journalists to Seed Misleading Puff Pieces | Techrights [06:38] techrights-bot hristmastime #Extortion Shows That #IBM Has Not Changed Since Buying #RedHat and Its Still a Patent Bully http://techrights.org/2020/12/28/ibm-xmas-patent-bully/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/12/28/ibm-xmas-patent-bully/ [06:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Christmastime Extortion Shows That IBM Has Not Changed Since Buying Red Hat and Its Still a Patent Bully | Techrights [06:39] techrights-bot 2010: #IBM Uses #SoftwarePatents Aggressively http://techrights.org/2010/04/06/big-blue-patent-monster/ #swpats gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2010/04/06/big-blue-patent-monster/ [06:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Uses Software Patents Aggressively | Techrights [06:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 24.60 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 116.25 swarm size (avg): 158.87 [06:40] techrights-bot 2010: #IBM Will Never be the Same After Taking Software Patents Out of Its Holster http://techrights.org/2010/04/07/ibm-nastygram-analysed/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2010/04/07/ibm-nastygram-analysed/ [06:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Will Never be the Same After Taking Software Patents Out of Its Holster | Techrights [06:40] techrights-bot #RedHat is Not the Company You Once Knew http://techrights.org/2019/09/30/red-hat-under-ibm/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2019/09/30/red-hat-under-ibm/ [06:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Red Hat is Not the Company You Once Knew | Techrights [06:41] techrights-bot 2008 (13 years ago): Memo to #IBM : Enough with Software Patents, Please http://techrights.org/2008/12/08/ibm-oin-and-software-patents/ #Techrights #swpats gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2008/12/08/ibm-oin-and-software-patents/ [06:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Memo to IBM: Enough with Software Patents, Please | Techrights [06:42] techrights-bot #ibm has been toxic to #fsf and also prevented scrutiny of #systemd #swpats etc. http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/the-cost-of-money/ good riddance, #redhat [06:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | More Money Does Not Necessarily Mean More Stable Organisations | Techrights [06:44] techrights-bot #gogemini is an implementation of the #Geminiprotocol in Go. https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006171.html #geminiSpace #internet [06:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | [tech] Announcing go-gemini v0.2.0 [06:45] techrights-bot #geminiProtocol in the so-called #darkWeb https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006199.html [06:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | .onion capsules? ● Mar 28 [07:15] techrights-bot Being a #microsoft apologist and pro- #gnu #linux at the same time is being a "dog lover" and cow eater at the same time. Some people can be conditioned to think it makes sense, but it does not. [07:17] techrights-bot ...but of course when you work for #raspberryPi Limited ("Foundation") you also receive #microsoft bribes to lie to yourselves... that you can reconcile #gnu #linux advocacy and enabling #Surveillance by Microsoft http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGI [07:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EDGI - Techrights [07:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 16.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 75.95 swarm size (avg): 159.01 ● Mar 28 [08:30] techrights-bot NEWS #RIPE #DNS Trufflehunter: A New Tool to Sniff Out DNS Usage https://labs.ripe.net/Members/audrey_randall/a-new-tool-to-sniff-out-dns-usage [08:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-labs.ripe.net | Trufflehunter: A New Tool to Sniff Out DNS Usage RIPE Labs [08:33] techrights-bot NEWS #Neowin #Debian Debian 10.9 released with updates to popular packages https://www.neowin.net/news/debian-109-released-with-updates-to-popular-packages/ [08:33] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Debian 10.9 released with updates to popular packages - Neowin [08:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 31.03 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 22.90 swarm size (avg): 159.18 [08:41] techrights-bot Todays #HowTos | #UNIX http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149320 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [08:41] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines [08:43] techrights-bot NEWS #AndroidPolice Going Google-less: How to install a custom Android ROM with no Google apps or services https://www.androidpolice.com/2021/03/27/install-use-custom-rom-no-google-apps/ [08:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | How to completely de-Google your Android smartphone [08:44] techrights-bot NEWS #IndiaTimes Disabling video during online meets boosts communication https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/disabling-video-during-online-meets-boosts-communication/81722611 [08:44] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | google meet: Disabling video during online meets boosts communication, IT News, ET CIO ● Mar 28 [09:16] *rianne__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:16] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [09:22] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:23] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [09:40] psydroid Posturing with OpenPOWER when people would be better off ignoring it and going with RISC-V and ARM https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1a3pkahW [09:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thelayoff.com | IBM selling Power and Z processors to Intel?? - post regarding IBM layoffs [09:55] techrights-bot NEWS #ITWire #ProprietarySoftware Nine Entertainment hit by suspected network attack https://itwire.com/security/nine-entertainment-hit-by-suspected-network-attack.html [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Nine Entertainment confirms it suffered network attack [09:55] techrights-bot #Microsoft Windows TCO: #TechTricksWorld #ProprietarySoftware How to Tell If Your Computer is Part of a Botnet? https://www.techtricksworld.com/how-to-tell-if-your-computer-is-part-of-a-botnet/ [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtricksworld.com | How to Tell If Your Computer is Part of a Botnet? [09:57] techrights-bot NEWS #Bloomberg #Privacy #Surveillance Billionaire-Backed Swedish Startup May Have Digital Cash Fix https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-28/billionaire-backed-swedish-startup-may-have-digital-cash-fix [09:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bloomberg - Are you a robot? [09:57] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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[10:05] schestowitz__ from OpenIBM? [10:05] schestowitz__ It has OpenSolicon [10:05] schestowitz__ *Si [10:05] schestowitz__ Endorsed by OpenInventionNetwork [10:07] *AVRS has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.0) [10:08] psydroid lol [10:17] techrights-bot NEWS #Reuters Exclusive: #Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over #COVID19 #misinformation https://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-venezuela-exclusive/exclusive-facebook-freezes-venezuela-president-maduros-page-over-covid-19-misinformation-idUSKBN2BJ03Z [10:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Exclusive: Facebook freezes Venezuela president Maduro's page over COVID-19 misinformation | Reuters [10:17] techrights-bot NEWS #ForeignPolicy Now #Russia Has Its Own Ultimatum for #Twitter https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/26/putin-twitter-ban-ultimatum-censorship-dissent/ [10:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-foreignpolicy.com | Putin Threatens to Ban Twitter if It Doesnt Remove Certain Tweets [10:20] techrights-bot #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, March 27, 2021 http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/irc-log-270321/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/28/irc-log-270321/ [10:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, March 27, 2021 | Techrights [10:28] schestowitz__ " [10:28] schestowitz__ Dear Dr. Schestowitz, [10:28] schestowitz__ I hope you're well in this troubling times. [10:28] schestowitz__ " [10:28] schestowitz__ some people worry about last week [10:28] schestowitz__ but it looks like not much was accomplished by the mob [10:28] schestowitz__ except a bunch of names [10:28] schestowitz__ and maybe dark PR ● Mar 28 [11:27] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [11:43] techrights-bot NEWS #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights #Reddit Users Targeted For Pirating #OnlyFans and Other Subscription Model Images https://torrentfreak.com/reddit-users-targeted-for-pirating-onlyfans-subscription-model-images-210327/ [11:43] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Reddit Users Targeted For Pirating OnlyFans and Other Subscription Model Images * TorrentFreak [11:45] techrights-bot FOSS Patents: Western District of Texas: overview of § 1400(b) allegations made by patent holders suing major technology companies http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/western-district-of-texas-overview-of.html #Texas continues to discredit the patent system as a whole; it's existing for parasites rather than science [11:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Western District of Texas: overview of 1400(b) allegations made by patent holders suing major technology companies [11:47] techrights-bot Patent extremists who push illegal software patents and the unconstitutional UPC would also have you believe patents should be generated by a computers and then granted for financial exploitation through litigation, which they profit from http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/03/28/artificial-intelligence-where-is-human-after-all/ [11:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Artificial Intelligence: Where is Human After All? - Kluwer Patent Blog [11:48] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights ● Mar 28 [12:08] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-25-239.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [12:08] techrights-bot NEWS #Tor New Release: Tor Browser 10.0.15 https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-10015 [12:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | New Release: Tor Browser 10.0.15 | Tor Blog [12:09] techrights-bot NEWS #Tor Onionize your Workflow with the Onion Guide Fanzine https://blog.torproject.org/onionize-your-workflow [12:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.torproject.org | Onionize your Workflow with the Onion Guide Fanzine | Tor Blog [12:18] *alextee[m] (alexteemat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-smdcflrxxvjntzdw) has joined #techrights [12:21] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [12:21] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [12:23] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [12:40] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 18.50 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 24.21 swarm size (avg): 159.31 [12:49] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [12:53] techrights-bot 2 0.08 12.0 0.5 /wp-content/plugins/snazzy-archives/i/jcarousellite_1.0.1.js i 8 0.27 4.8 0.2 /modules/poll/poll.css 2 0.11 354.9 19.7 / i 8 0.27 5.4 0.2 /modules/system/defaults.css 2 0.08 2.0 0.1 /wp-content/plugins/sociable-zyblog-edition/sociable.css i 8 0.27 8.3 0.3 /modules/user/user.css 2 0.09 1.1 0.0 /wp-content/plugins/sociable-zyblog-edition/description_selection i 8 0.27 7.8 0.3 /modules/forum/forum.css 2 0 [12:53] techrights-bot es/contrib/quote/quote.css 2 0.07 19.4 0.7 /wp-content/themes/ocadia/style.css i 8 0.27 5.3 0.2 /modules/node/node.css 2 0.08 188.3 7.8 /wp-includes/js/jquery/jquery.js i 8 0.27 7.2 0.2 /modules/book/book.css 2 0.07 2.7 0.1 /wp-content/plugins/wp-custom-fields-search/templates/searchforms i 8 0.27 1.9 0.1 /modules/contrib/mollom/mollom.css 2 0.11 0.1 0.0 /robots.txt i 8 0.27 5.7 0.2 /modules/aggregator/aggregator.css ● Mar 28 [13:04] *mmu_man (~revol@82-65-227-82.subs.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [13:06] *simpleman2 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [13:07] Ariadne [18:43:34] Ariadne: would you care to explain why you're shilling for busybox to be written with a permissive license? [13:07] Ariadne because busybox is a security disaster waiting to happen [13:08] Ariadne and busybox itself makes lawyers have a stroke [13:08] Ariadne i don't care if the busybox replacement is GPLv2 btw [13:09] schestowitz__ got some uspto report coming [13:09] schestowitz__ "How many of these documents can be shared publicly (I've taken a quick look)? [13:09] schestowitz__ Regards" [13:09] schestowitz__ Everything can be shared. [13:09] schestowitz__ we got about 50 pages [13:11] Ariadne anyway, i am not shilling on behalf of anything. a lot of alpine derivatives are incubated at LF, so it is a low-resistance path for getting projects in alpine funded. busybox is a problem from security POV and adoption POV. [13:16] schestowitz__ " [13:16] schestowitz__ Medical discovery - USPTO - open-source software [13:16] schestowitz__ [13:16] schestowitz__ Dr. Schestowitz, [13:16] schestowitz__ When I put "USPTO corruption investigation" into my computer, I found this article at the techrights website: http://techrights.org/2014/08/13/uspto-is-corrupt/ [13:16] schestowitz__ " [13:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Investigation Reveals That USPTO is Corrupt, Time to Abolish It or Annul Nearly a Million Patents | Techrights [13:16] schestowitz__ Ariadne: no need to argue over that [13:16] schestowitz__ I think it's based on a misunderstanding [13:16] schestowitz__ I know you don't like the LF much, either [13:16] schestowitz__ and I know about your stance on licensing since aaagees ago [13:17] schestowitz__ so let's not bicker over non-starters [13:17] Ariadne i mean, i'm not like doing cartwheels about the existence of LF, no [13:17] Ariadne but that's how alpine and debian are able to find funding for projects [13:17] schestowitz__ LF is problematic and ridiculed in many circles now [13:17] schestowitz__ some people tell me that our reporting since 2019 has been largely responsible for perception shift [13:17] schestowitz__ Zemlin 'disappeared' [13:18] schestowitz__ they hide him now, he's a liability and risk [13:18] Ariadne there are certainly a lot of things i would like to see done differently at LF, but their ability to aggregate funding from corporate participants and redistribute them to alpine and debian developers is helpful [13:18] Ariadne or in other words, cutting your nose off to spite your face is just stupid [13:18] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [13:21] schestowitz__ What about SPI? [13:21] schestowitz__ they help fund more than Debian [13:21] schestowitz__ even Arch [13:22] Ariadne yes, SPI is another common funding vehicle [13:22] Ariadne but LF has an advantage in that corporations already interface with it [13:23] Ariadne to be clear i do not like many aspects of how the LF operates, and i find it ridiculous that Zemlin tells us about "the year of the linux desktop" and won't self-dogfood [13:23] schestowitz__ yeah [13:23] schestowitz__ but that is a side issue [13:23] schestowitz__ the person and the hypocrisy [13:23] schestowitz__ and that distracts from bigger scandals [13:23] schestowitz__ which are too many to enumerate offhand [13:23] schestowitz__ but TR reporting made it widely known some [13:24] Ariadne a lot of participating projects in LF do not really love LF, but found it to be the least bad option due to the machinery they already have in place [13:25] Ariadne like everything in life, things are not black and white. most things are in the gray area [13:25] schestowitz__ this one if very dark grey [13:26] schestowitz__ is [13:26] schestowitz__ and getting worse each year [13:28] Ariadne anyway, to answer CrystalMath's accusation i summarize it as "i have several initiatives to see through to completion, and taking a practical approach to them means working with whoever wants to collaborate" [13:28] Ariadne if you want systemd to have a bad time, does it matter if LF is the way lennart's bad day got funded? [13:29] Ariadne what matters is that somebody was able to get funding to do the work. FSF is not capable of aggregating funding anymore for a long time. [13:29] schestowitz__ there are many angles to LF [13:29] schestowitz__ inc. the patent aspect [13:29] Ariadne agreed [13:29] schestowitz__ I broken the silence in 2019 [13:29] schestowitz__ because it had gotten too much for me [13:29] schestowitz__ I think the breaking point was something to do with them pushing lots of Microsoft stuff [13:30] schestowitz__ not just raising money from Microsoft [13:30] schestowitz__ and actively attacking Linux and FUDing it [13:30] Ariadne i mean, i wish this was the old days where FSF had the connections and mechanisms to raise funding for key FOSS projects [13:30] Ariadne but those days are gone [13:30] Ariadne but the work still needs to be done regardless [13:31] Ariadne and funding is the difference between initiatives being delivered on an impactful timeline or maybe in 5-6 years when it's too late [13:32] schestowitz__ big money is "nice" [13:32] schestowitz__ but big money with strange attached is also problemaic [13:32] schestowitz__ more so when that money comes from what yoy attempt to replace [13:32] schestowitz__ IBM/mainframe, Windows... [13:32] Ariadne yeah, this is basically "no strings attached" funding though :) [13:33] schestowitz__ such things barely exist [13:33] schestowitz__ my next article (draft ready now) deals with it [13:33] schestowitz__ it's about how gates bribes the media [13:33] schestowitz__ and then they attack his critics [13:33] schestowitz__ "no strings attached" my arse :-) [13:39] Ariadne well, minimal strings attached. nothing other than the usual grantwriting things. [13:41] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-25-239.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [13:41] psydroid is LF where tech dinosaurs go to die? [13:42] techrights-bot #Techrights [13:42] techrights-bot On Conspiranoia Strawman Attacks Defending Bill Gates. http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/conspiranoia-strawman/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/28/conspiranoia-strawman/ #billgates #misdirection [13:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | On Conspiranoia Strawman Attacks Defending Bill Gates. | Techrights [13:53] schestowitz__ psydroid: Ariadne correctly pointed out it's the new ASF [13:53] schestowitz__ ASF is the graveyard [13:53] schestowitz__ LF is ICU [13:54] schestowitz__ like Intel's lousy OS [13:54] schestowitz__ that doesn't seem to be adopted by anyone except Intel [13:55] Ariadne LF is a mix [13:55] Ariadne kinda like ASF [13:55] techrights-bot #Microsoft has been removed from the summary of "Active Sites" https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2021/02/26/february-2021-web-server-survey.html we covered this before. #IIS is dying. [13:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.netcraft.com | February 2021 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News [13:55] Ariadne but yes a lot of projects are just dumped on LF [13:55] Ariadne like ASF in the day [13:55] Ariadne there are some good ones at LF though [13:55] Ariadne like Xen [13:56] techrights-bot 60 orgs https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=sv&u=https://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2021/03/26/nu-har-mer-an-60-organisationer-drabbats-av-dataintrang-bitradande [13:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate [13:56] Ariadne i think this is more related to the fact that a lot of companies see FOSS as magical pixie dust to revive their dead projects [13:56] Ariadne when it doesn't really work like that [13:57] techrights-bot #cyberscoop has reaffirmed its status as #microsoft spin and propaganda platform, blaming everyone except Microsoft https://www.cyberscoop.com/microsoft-flaws-patching-ransomware-cryptomining/ Before Asian-Americans were shot Microsoft did this: http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/ [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Patching is trucking along on Microsoft flaws, but hackers are still meddling - CyberScoop [13:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights [13:58] *avoidr (~avoidr@utox/developer/avoidr) has joined #techrights ● Mar 28 [14:00] techrights-bot The #dailyfail and comedians that touch the oversensitive rattlesnake https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9406797/Ricky-Gervais-ridicules-backlash-teacher-showed-Prophet-Mohammed-cartoon-class.html [14:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Ricky Gervais ridicules parents protesting against teacher who 'showed Prophet Muhammad cartoon' | Daily Mail Online [14:02] techrights-bot Steve Litt: "Yeah, I was banned from posting to debian-user, in October or November of 2014, by that bastion of debianism and proud systemd vote caster Don Armstrong. As far as I know, my ban is still in effect. " https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20210326.200049.b0a79fd0.en.html [14:02] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights [14:03] techrights-bot #ksa is run by a fundamentally terrorist-like regime that attacks its own people and literally cooks journalists while intimidating and blackmailing people in other countries. Why do we still trade with them?! https://www.dawn.com/news/1614856/un-investigator-accuses-saudi-arabia-of-bully-boy-tactics [14:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-UN investigator accuses Saudi Arabia of bully-boy tactics - Newspaper - DAWN.COM [14:04] techrights-bot "Time to sack up people. If we can't find the will to defend RICHARD F*CKING STALLMAN, we won't defend anyone. One by one we will all be singled out for destruction" https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20210327.035557.1fbf20ec.en.html [14:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights [14:09] techrights-bot "FSF president Geoffrey Knauth stated his intention yesterday "to resign as an FSF officer, director, and voting member as soon as there is a clear path for new leadership."" RMS will be president soon, perhaps. That's the plan. https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/03/27/0714253 [14:09] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Red Hat Pulls Free Software Foundation Funding Over Richard Stallman's Return - SoylentNews [14:10] techrights-bot "They don't even care about RMS, he is just in their way. He won't repurpose the FSF into another culture war battlement, he will insist it remain focused on its original goal of software freedom." https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20210327.035557.1fbf20ec.en.html [14:11] Ariadne anyway, my personal view is that it makes sense to work with whoever is working on specific issues that are aligned with your interests [14:12] Ariadne which is why i participate here and work with schestowitz__ on infrastructure [14:12] Ariadne despite disagreeing on some topics [14:12] Ariadne this is the traditional spirit of free software [14:14] techrights-bot "This "supply chain signing" will make sure that users no long will be able to run their own code, only corporations will be able to run code on our devices. Just unlocking a bootloader on an android phone will be enough for making it impossible to run any "approved code", without any chance this time for pesky user empowerment tools like magisk." https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/03/27/0714253 [14:16] techrights-bot NEWS #TruthOut Cops Hired by Amazon Are Intimidating Workers and Supporters of the Union Drive https://truthout.org/articles/cops-hired-by-amazon-are-intimidating-workers-and-supporters-of-the-union-drive/ [14:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Cops Hired by Amazon Are Intimidating Workers and Supporters of the Union Drive [14:17] schestowitz__ [13:56] when it doesn't really work like that [14:17] schestowitz__ sometimes it does [14:17] schestowitz__ but they usually do it too late [14:17] schestowitz__ "code dumps" [14:17] schestowitz__ for projects too complex and mature [14:17] schestowitz__ like abandonware [14:17] schestowitz__ "here's a pile of code. play with it. give us the copyrights!" [14:18] schestowitz__ [14:12] despite disagreeing on some topics [14:18] schestowitz__ yes, good communities can work in spite of differences [14:18] schestowitz__ I think some people try to provoke by bringing up topics of divergence [14:18] schestowitz__ there are leaks to that effect from Microsoft [14:18] schestowitz__ explaining how to incite gpl and bsd people against one another [14:19] schestowitz__ to weaken both and limit cooperation [14:19] schestowitz__ intra-posix wars [14:20] techrights-bot "I hope the FSF keeps Stallman on. He literally *founded* the free software movement, provided the moral basis for it, and helped establish legal frameworks like copyleft and the GPL. I can't imagine anyone alive having better qualifications than him, to be on that board." https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/03/27/0714253 [14:20] techrights-bot Companies aren't serving society. They're often a disservice to it. https://www.cracked.com/article_29887_4-supervillain-tier-acts-of-evil-by-famous-companies.html [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-4 Supervillain-Tier Acts Of Evil By Famous Companies | Cracked.com [14:20] techrights-bot "This exactly how a "climate of fear" works. Anyone who has looked three seconds at the Cultural Revolution or any of the other descents into madness of the 20th Century knows exactly what is going on here." https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20210327.035557.1fbf20ec.en.html [14:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights [14:21] techrights-bot #burma #myanmar https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/military-occupies-myanmar-campuses more important than a phony old RMS controversy [14:21] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.timeshighereducation.com | Military occupies Myanmar campuses | Times Higher Education (THE) [14:23] Ariadne by the way, the main reason LLVM and clang are things is because RMS doesn't do email in a normal way [14:24] Ariadne https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-02/msg00594.html [14:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.gnu.org | Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el [14:25] schestowitz__ that alone is the reason? [14:25] Ariadne yes [14:25] Ariadne apple was willing to reassign copyright on the entirety of LLVM to FSF [14:25] Ariadne but RMS never responded [14:25] Ariadne because he did not see the email [14:27] psydroid apple couldn't have tried harder to reach him? [14:27] Ariadne idk [14:28] Ariadne it's just an interesting footnote is all [14:34] techrights-bot Conflict of Interest: #Microsoft and #IBM Controlling the #USPTO and Leaving #GNU / #Linux Users Shut Out (in the Cold) http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/freesw-out-in-the-cold/ http://techrights.org/wiki/USPTO#2021 [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conflict of Interest: Microsoft and IBM Controlling the USPTO and Leaving GNU/Linux Users Shut Out (in the Cold) | Techrights [14:34] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | USPTO - Techrights [14:36] schestowitz__ Ariadne: would be nice to ask him [14:36] schestowitz__ and see what he says [14:37] schestowitz__ he had other explanations [14:37] Ariadne well, at this point, its moot anyway [14:42] techrights-bot Bloody #codeberg spamming me now... with notifications I never asked for, never subscribed for, and seemingly I cannot opt out from/disable. And if I try to change my email address so that those spammy bits of shite go nowhere it won't let me. I hate signing up for sites. [14:42] techrights-bot #whitmer #michigan https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/michigan-gop-chair-witches-stake-whitmer-1148009/ [14:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com | Michigan GOP Chair Calls Women Democratic State Leaders 'Witches' - Rolling Stone [14:47] *davisr_ is now known as davisr [14:48] techrights-bot It seems like the domain gnu dot org now rejects some addresses attempting to send email to RMS. Is RMS actually in charge of his email account and what he sees in his account? Seems not... (I've seen evidence) [14:48] techrights-bot "For distros tied to corporation(s), they will roll over at some point. (Remember the "deal" between M$ and Novell? And where is Novell now?)" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/03/27/0714253 #novell #microsoft #swpats #techrights #collusion [14:48] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Red Hat Pulls Free Software Foundation Funding Over Richard Stallman's Return - SoylentNews [14:57] *schestowitz__ gives voice to alextee[m] avalos avoidr [14:57] MinceR 28 154230 <+techrights-bot> Bloody #codeberg spamming me now... [14:57] *schestowitz__ gives voice to GNUmoon2 mmu_man [14:57] MinceR you can unsubscribe from the ticket [14:57] schestowitz__ I tried [14:57] MinceR worked for me [14:58] schestowitz__ ah, ok [14:58] schestowitz__ I did look at watch and settings [14:59] schestowitz__ didn't notice the "unsubscribe" bit at the bottom [14:59] schestowitz__ anyway, having to learn a GUI now [14:59] schestowitz__ just because I added a name to some pettiion [14:59] schestowitz__ lots of time spent ● Mar 28 [15:00] techrights-bot "Indeed, good riddance! Was the politically correct Rust language board of directors contributing to FSF as well? LOL!" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/03/27/0714253 #deletegithub #microsoft #censorship #proprietarySoftware [15:00] techrights-bot "IBM is not a great mastermind. Aren't they busy laying off 10,000 of their employees every other year?" https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/03/27/0714253 #ibm #redhat ... see the threads in https://www.thelayoff.com/international-business-machines it's a gold mine! [15:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM Layoffs - TheLayoff.com [15:00] techrights-bot "Screw Red Hat. Its a dying distro. Everything IBM touches these days goes down the toilet." https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/03/27/0714253 #ibm #redhat #fsf #gnu #freesw [15:04] MinceR 28 110524 <@schestowitz__> from OpenIBM? [15:04] MinceR does it run OpenVMS? [15:05] schestowitz__ it runs openOpen [15:09] psydroid Red Hat and IBM should diversify and split up into dead and dying entities [15:21] MinceR :> [15:24] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [15:32] schestowitz__ yeah [15:33] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [15:40] alextee[m] what do you guys think of relicensing to (A)GPLv3 only? [15:42] MinceR not sure what benefit it brings at this point [15:43] schestowitz__ alextee[m]: no need [15:43] *ChanServ removes voice from Chaekyung [15:43] schestowitz__ FSF will be in safe hands [15:43] schestowitz__ soon [15:43] schestowitz__ I'm about to publish "Get Ready for Richard M. Stallman to Become FSF President Again (for Continuity of the FSF's Mission)" [15:43] schestowitz__ Just waiting for the video upload to finish [15:43] schestowitz__ the mob will get "more angry than angry" [15:44] schestowitz__ but who cares... [15:44] schestowitz__ we know where they stand... [15:44] MinceR though if you mean removing the "or later version", that's always a good idea [15:45] MinceR you can never know when the sociopaths will take over FSF and make a new "GPL" that lets them do whatever they feel like [15:45] alextee[m] yeah I'm considering dropping that and having a contributor license agreement that allows me to re-license contributions to "or later" in the future [15:45] alextee[m] i hope you're right schestowitz__: [15:46] techrights-bot The video above discusses a troubling pattern of responses (or generic rebuttal) to critics of #BillGates , based on a stigma or stereotypes associated with those critics because #corporatemedia gives air time to the wrong people http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/conspiranoia-strawman/ #Techrights gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/28/conspiranoia-strawman/ [15:46] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | On Conspiranoia Strawman Attacks Defending Bill Gates. | Techrights [15:47] techrights-bot The first part in a series about the #USPTO protecting the cabal of #proprietarysoftware giants/monopolies, including improper appointments and outright corruption (as observed by a longtime critic of the Office) http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/freesw-out-in-the-cold/ #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/28/freesw-out-in-the-cold/ [15:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Conflict of Interest: Microsoft and IBM Controlling the USPTO and Leaving GNU/Linux Users Shut Out (in the Cold) | Techrights [15:49] techrights-bot Shame on #ibm Chris Wright saying RMS is some sort of barrier to "diversity" just because RMS says technical things that curtail IBM profits. "I am really outraged by FSF's decision to reinstate RMS. At a moment in time where diversity and inclusion awareness is growing, this is a step backwards." Screw that Chris, you just change the subject, topic-changing! [15:51] techrights-bot #ibm Chris Wright works for an employer that gassed gays for profit. How's THAT for "diversity and inclusion", Chris? http://techrights.org/2020/07/25/watson-offensive/ [15:51] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Watson is a Lot More Offensive Than Whitelist and Master | Techrights [15:52] techrights-bot IBM (Red Hat) Lectured #FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? #IBM and #RedHat Are Even Less Diverse. http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ #Techrights #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/ [15:52] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights [15:52] schestowitz__ [15:45] you can never know when the sociopaths will take over FSF and make a new "GPL" that lets them do whatever they feel like [15:52] schestowitz__ I am 90% sure that very soon RMS will be back in control [15:52] schestowitz__ and those who don't like it... can take a hike [15:53] MinceR yes, but not forever [15:53] MinceR none of us lives forever [15:53] schestowitz__ he can arrange continuity [15:53] schestowitz__ fig said he should resign [15:53] schestowitz__ but in an organised fashion [15:53] schestowitz__ initiated by himself [15:54] schestowitz__ Look what happened to EFF under Cindy Cohen? [15:54] schestowitz__ holy moly [15:54] schestowitz__ de blanc [15:55] MinceR de blank on molly [15:55] MinceR s/k/c/ [15:55] *zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:56] MinceR https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Molly [15:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: Molly [15:56] *MinceR gives voice to zleap [15:57] MinceR (definition 2 -- there's way too much trash on ud) [15:57] techrights-bot The person who 'sold' #novell to #microsoft came from IBM and Ray Noorda (Novell founder) would be truly upset if he still lived... because he hated Microsoft, and for good reasons... BTW, he's still trying to silence me (IBM is a litigious and pretentious company): http://techrights.org/2019/04/14/ronald-hovsepian-vs-techrights/ [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Poor (Multi-Millionaire) Novell CEO, Who Colluded With Steve Ballmer Against GNU/Linux, is Trying to Censor Techrights | Techrights [15:57] techrights-bot 2010: Why #IBM Does Deserve Scrutiny (Updated) http://techrights.org/2010/04/09/negotiating-competitor-departure-from-turf/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2010/04/09/negotiating-competitor-departure-from-turf/ [15:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why IBM Does Deserve Scrutiny (Updated) | Techrights [15:58] *MinceR gives voice to Chaekyung davisr koo5 liberty_box [15:59] techrights-bot Wow. It looks like #google has begun indexing Gemini pages via/over the Web proxy! E.g. https://gemini.susa.net:1993/cgi-bin/proxy.sh?url=gemini%3A%2F%2Fgemini.techrights.org%2F2008%2F03%2F19%2Fmore-microsoft-ooxml-dirty-tricks-pr-lies%2F [15:59] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring. ● Mar 28 [16:00] techrights-bot Apple Mac user, Jim Allowhurst http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Jim-Became-Manager.jpg [16:03] techrights-bot Get Ready for Richard M. Stallman to Become #FSF President Again (for Continuity of the FSFs Mission) http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-return/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-return/ | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/03/28/#latest [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Get Ready for Richard M. Stallman to Become FSF President Again (for Continuity of the FSFs Mission) | Techrights [16:03] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media Posts [16:16] Ariadne [09:53] fig said he should resign in an organized fashion by himself [16:16] Ariadne yes this is what i actually want to see [16:16] Ariadne name a damn successor already [16:17] Ariadne lxo would be a good choice [16:18] techrights-bot #RichardStallman 2020 Interview About Privacy and Freedom http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-on-privacy/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-on-privacy/ [16:18] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2020 Interview About Privacy and Freedom | Techrights [16:22] MinceR (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2021/02/28/9c4ef6912131bfc7.mp4 [16:23] zleap https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/22/22321092/lina-khan-ftc-tech-antitrust-law-regulation-amazon [16:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Biden to nominate tech antitrust pioneer Lina Khan for FTC commissioner - The Verge [16:24] zleap just spotted that on Mastodon, so sharing here for insights [16:24] schestowitz__ Ariadne: yes, I just mentioned to rianne oliva would be good [16:24] schestowitz__ and people who support rms would be willing to support him [16:24] schestowitz__ zleap: I saw that [16:24] zleap is this a good thing ? [16:25] schestowitz__ https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-trade-commission-pick-lina-khan-led-antitrust-efforts-against-big-tech/ [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | Bidens Trade Commission Pick Lina Khan Led Antitrust Efforts Against Big Tech [16:25] zleap cool just posted to #free-rms too [16:25] MinceR (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54 [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KHAAAAAAN! - YouTube [16:25] schestowitz__ We linked to many things about it [16:25] schestowitz__ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/03/09/applause-biden-picks-antitrust-trailblazer-lina-khan-ftc-spot [16:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Applause as Biden Picks 'Antitrust Trailblazer' Lina Khan for FTC Spot | Common Dreams News [16:25] schestowitz__ progressive sites I trust say she's good [16:25] zleap i am guessing that you tube video is from ST The Wrath of Kahn [16:26] schestowitz__ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/03/senator-mike-lee-of-all-united-states.html [16:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Senator Mike Lee, of all United States Senators, opposes Lina Khan's nomination to Federal Trade Commission: but he wanted to serve on SCOTUS [16:26] schestowitz__ those 3 links were in our Daily Links [16:28] schestowitz__ the problem with biden includes usda [16:28] schestowitz__ mr. monsanto/bayer [16:28] schestowitz__ there are several other problematic appointments and nominations [16:28] schestowitz__ the important thing is to keep up the pressure [16:29] schestowitz__ because they obviously watch the reaction from the real left [16:29] schestowitz__ in 2016 they shafted the left so badly that they lost to a nazi [16:30] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [16:36] gullfaxi[m] if one still can talk about a proper left (teardrop follows..) [16:37] techrights-bot Today in #Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149322 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:37] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [16:39] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 19.31 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 63.86 swarm size (avg): 159.46 [16:47] techrights-bot Links 28/3/2021: Going Google-less and #TorBrowser 10.0.15 http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/tor-browser-10-0-15/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/28/tor-browser-10-0-15/ [16:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 28/3/2021: Going Google-less and Tor Browser 10.0.15 | Techrights [16:49] techrights-bot Todays Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149323 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [16:49] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines [16:51] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [16:53] *tr_guest|57534 (54515371@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.84.81.83.113) has joined #techrights [16:53] *tr_guest|57534 has quit (Client Quit) ● Mar 28 [17:00] *techrights-ipfs has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [17:00] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [17:01] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [17:05] schestowitz__ MinceR: hu now second worst for death/capita [17:05] schestowitz__ covid19 [17:05] schestowitz__ after Czechia [17:05] schestowitz__ Orban19 [17:07] MinceR hungary #1! [17:07] MinceR i trust this government's ability to put us into first place [17:10] techrights-bot "Unfortunately, I dont think the Anti-Harassment Team of Debian and others of the usual group of warriors will ever read less understand what is written there. So sad." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149083?page=1#comment-28868 [17:10] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Good News! Richard Stallman is Back at Free Software Foundation | Tux Machines [17:11] techrights-bot "I find it so odd that the strong zeal for revenge and punishment if someone says anything that is perceived to be sexist or racist or discriminatory comes from liberals and progressives." https://www.wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-the-web [17:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wetheweb.org | #Cancel We The Web? [17:12] MinceR "liberals" and "progressives" [17:13] schestowitz__ "So we see the term sexual assault and sexual harrassment used for example, when a guy asks a woman out on a date and she doesnt find that an appealing invitation. Maybe he used poor judgement in asking her out, maybe he didnt, but in any case that is NOT sexual assault or harassment. To call it that is to really demean the huge horror and violence and predation that does exist when you are talking about violent sexual assault. [17:13] schestowitz__ People use the term sexual assault/ sexual harassment to refer to any comment about gender or sexuality issues that they disagree with or a joke that might not be in the best taste, again is that to be commended? No! But to condemn it and equate it with a violent sexual assault again is really denying and demeaning the actual suffering that people who are victims of sexual assault endure. It trivializes the serious infractions that [17:13] schestowitz__ are committed by people like Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein. So that is one point that he made that I think is very important that I strongly agree with." [17:13] schestowitz__ MinceR: no hungary second [17:13] schestowitz__ or thuird [17:13] *AVRS has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [17:13] schestowitz__ Russia first [17:13] MinceR for now [17:13] MinceR oh, lol [17:14] MinceR russia is only 56th in deaths/pop [17:14] MinceR they'll need to learn from orbanistan if they are to become #1 [17:15] techrights-bot This video explains why we should prepare for Richard M. Stallman (RMS) to resume his presidency; Kat Walsh, who opposed RMS returning, has left the Board http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-return/ [17:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Get Ready for Richard M. Stallman to Become FSF President Again (for Continuity of the FSFs Mission) | Techrights [17:16] techrights-bot A lot of what was said a year after #RichardStallman had been canceled (not for long) is still very relevant right now http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/rms-on-privacy/ #rms #gnu #privacy #covid19 [17:16] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Richard Stallman 2020 Interview About Privacy and Freedom | Techrights [17:20] techrights-bot [Older] #Bluehost Misuses #WordPress Trademark, Reigniting Controversy Over Recommended Hosts Page https://wptavern.com/bluehost-misuses-wordpress-trademark-reigniting-controversy-over-recommended-hosts-page [17:20] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wptavern.com | Bluehost Misuses WordPress Trademark, Reigniting Controversy Over Recommended Hosts Page WordPress Tavern [17:21] *CrystalMath (~coderain@reactos/developer/theflash) has joined #techrights [17:22] techrights-bot Wine-Staging 6.5 Comes In A Bit Lighter Thanks To Upstreaming Many Patches http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149284#comment-28869 [17:22] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 6.5 Release | Tux Machines [17:26] *AVRS (~AVRS@wikimedia/AVRS) has joined #techrights [17:26] techrights-bot #Kernel 5.10.26 compiled for #EasyOS Dunfell series http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149324 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:26] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel 5.10.26 compiled for EasyOS Dunfell series | Tux Machines [17:27] techrights-bot #4MLinux 36.0 STABLE released. http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/149325 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines [17:27] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4MLinux 36.0 STABLE released. | Tux Machines [17:28] *genr8_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [17:28] *genr8_ (~genr8_@unaffiliated/genbtc) has joined #techrights [17:29] techrights-bot Facts are becoming rare when the business model of corporate media is deception, ads, lies, sellout, and riling up mobs for corporate gain https://twitter.com/pavlixnet/status/1376192506677841920 [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pavlixnet: For consideration by people who still like to think. And for anyone to respectfully challenge. https://t.co/Liivvw9Oon [17:29] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights [17:31] techrights-bot #google does not support women. It would #blackmail them. http://techrights.org/2020/11/03/the-harassment-claims-in-full/ Google managers also reportedly abuse and exploit women for sex. [17:31] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Outreachy as Hush Money (Bribe) From Monopolies | Techrights [17:32] MinceR denymail [17:35] XRevan86 Deny Spot [17:35] *psymin (~psymin@fsf/member/psymin) has joined #techrights [17:41] MinceR supermassive deny hole [17:41] XRevan86 MinceR: Join me on the deny side, we have cookies. [17:41] *MinceR gives voice to CrystalMath AVRS psymin [17:41] *MinceR gives voice to genr8_ [17:42] MinceR i'm already on the deny side [17:42] psymin Denial of what? :) [17:42] MinceR nothing [17:42] MinceR SJW terms don't have to make sense [17:42] MinceR as they've demonstrated, context doesn't matter [17:43] psymin It matters if it helps make their case, but doesn't matter if it makes their case worse. [17:50] techrights-bot Pursuing Justice and Freedom http://techrights.org/2021/03/28/oliva-on-justice-and-freedom/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #RMS #FreeSW gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/03/28/oliva-on-justice-and-freedom/ [17:50] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pursuing Justice and Freedom | Techrights ● Mar 28 [18:00] schestowitz__ https://daniel-lange.com/archives/171-The-Stallman-wars.html [18:00] schestowitz__ "So Neil McGovern has clicked the merge PR button a load more times than anyone else. What use is this figure?" [18:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-daniel-lange.com | The Stallman wars | Daniel Lange's blog [18:02] schestowitz__ " [18:02] schestowitz__ This is just data. [18:02] schestowitz__ I'll come up with analysis once this is all over. I will not fuel either side. I much prefer peace over war. [18:02] schestowitz__ " [18:16] Ariadne schestowitz__: i think lxo is somebody everyone can live with [18:19] MinceR i doubt there's anyone everyone can live with [18:19] MinceR we want the FSF to advocate for free software, dehomag wants the FSF to pretend to do so but actually undermine free software [18:20] MinceR and their SJW troll army will do whatever dehomag wants [18:20] CrystalMath Ariadne: i would be okay with Oliva as president [18:20] Ariadne CrystalMath: anyway, you asked about busybox last night, right? [18:20] CrystalMath rms talked about retiring in early 2019, in favor of Oliva [18:20] MinceR what about toybox? [18:21] CrystalMath Ariadne: by schestowitz__'s command i forgave you for that [18:21] Ariadne MinceR: toybox is one option we considered, but it's very focused on android, and we have not been able to really sync up with landley [18:21] MinceR ic [18:21] Ariadne also toybox does a lot of sizecoding hacks that we don't want [18:22] MinceR :> [18:22] Ariadne we want something that is clean, straightforward and coded to modern standard [18:22] CrystalMath Ariadne: why don't you ask for a linux rewrite? [18:22] alextee[m] I think Oliva is a great candidate, i just hope he's as tough as RMS. you need to be tough psychologically to push this movement onwards [18:22] CrystalMath alextee[m]: oh he's tough alright [18:22] Ariadne alextee[m]: oliva is tougher than RMS imo [18:22] CrystalMath absolutely [18:23] Ariadne alextee[m]: back in the indymedia days, he used to basically go and confront the mafia about fucked up shit they were doing in brazil [18:24] Ariadne CrystalMath: linux codebase is mostly clean [18:24] CrystalMath clean of what? [18:24] CrystalMath it's GPLv2 [18:24] CrystalMath not permissively-licensed [18:24] Ariadne CrystalMath: license has nothing to do with this [18:24] Ariadne CrystalMath: we would be OK with a GPLv2 replacement for busybox [18:24] Ariadne CrystalMath: it is strictly "busybox code is bad" [18:24] CrystalMath but... you said it's because busybox is doing GPL enforcement [18:25] CrystalMath that's what got me into the angry tirade [18:25] Ariadne CrystalMath: the log you got is incomplete i think. what i meant is that busybox doing GPL enforcement made it easy to find budget. [18:25] CrystalMath well that's still collaborating with anti-freedom people [18:25] CrystalMath but at least it's not your idea [18:26] Ariadne CrystalMath: there are other problems re: busybox and licensing that *do* need to be fixed. for example, it is possible to generate a busybox binary that contains GPLv2-only and GPLv3-only code. [18:27] Ariadne CrystalMath: such binaries are not redistributable because GPLv2-only is not compatible with GPLv3 [18:27] MinceR so organizations like the Linux-Destroying Foundation like projects using GPL as long as those project don't actually enforce GPL? [18:27] MinceR makes sense, they've got VMware [18:27] Ariadne MinceR: we (Alpine) would enforce GPL on this busybox replacement if it were done under GPL. [18:27] MinceR good [18:28] MinceR and then they'll fund another replacement done by someone else? :> [18:28] Ariadne that's not my problem [18:28] psydroid if there had to be a busybox replacement it should be (A)GPLv3 [18:28] CrystalMath Ariadne: i understand now [18:28] psydroid why go backward to GPLv2? [18:28] Ariadne psydroid: i prefer GPLv2 because it has been tested in litigation [18:28] CrystalMath Ariadne: sorry about that whole comparing you to a member of a death squad thing [18:29] psydroid Ariadne, maybe it's time for GPLv3 to be tested in litigation as well [18:29] CrystalMath gee, i can get pretty ridiculous [18:29] CrystalMath psydroid: it has been in france [18:29] psydroid CrystalMath, what was the outcome? [18:29] Ariadne psydroid: I also find the Tivoization clause underspecified in GPLv3 [18:29] Ariadne at least in US locale, that could be a problem [18:30] Ariadne i agree with GPLv3 in spirit, but i take a pragmatic approach to things [18:30] Ariadne CrystalMath: anyway i hope you now understand that this is just business [18:33] psydroid has FSF been working on a hypothetical GPLv4 to better specify the Tivoization and other clauses in GPLv3? [18:33] Ariadne if 'anti-freedom' people wish to give us money to compose free software, i'm not going to say no. in this case, it solves real objectives in a way that propagates software freedom (but admittedly many in the Alpine community prefer simple licenses over copyleft these days) [18:33] Ariadne psydroid: i don't think there is any energy in FSF to do a GPLv4 [18:34] Ariadne the GPLv3 drafting process took over a hundred calls and we wound up with a license that is flawed by comparison to its predecessor [18:34] Ariadne what i am happy about is that AGPL became an officially blessed license of FSF in that process [18:35] Ariadne with Hellwig vs VMware copyleft is in practical limbo anyway [18:35] Ariadne i think there is more value in finding new strategies to promote software freedom [18:36] MinceR revolution [18:36] MinceR we can't rely on the state anyway [18:36] Ariadne correct, the real problem with copyleft is that it exists in a structure created by the State, and tries to outwit the State [18:38] Ariadne where we want to get is a situation where things are just automatically done as FOSS, because it is the obviously right way to do it [18:38] Ariadne once you get there, copyleft doesn't matter anymore [18:39] Ariadne because a bad actor choosing to abuse the commons wont have a product that is advantageous over what is available in the commons [18:41] Ariadne CrystalMath: so basically, it comes down to finding ways to enable people to work full time on alpine initiatives while also making sure their expenses are met. as alpine has a relationship with LF (and many other organizations too), it makes sense to collaborate with LF to tap the companies which make billions off alpine for funding. [18:42] Ariadne CrystalMath: this is something FSF used to do at a smaller scale a long time ago, but ASF and LF largely took the spotlight away for that. [18:43] MinceR too bad the funding comes from sources that do not want the majority of software to be free software [18:43] MinceR mostly [18:43] MinceR s/mes/mes mostly/ [18:44] Ariadne yes, but because we have started to arrive at a FOSS-by-default situation, they are forced to play along ● Mar 28 [19:12] *free-rms-bot (b00efe3d@176.14.254.61) has joined #techrights [19:13] *free-rms-bot has quit (Client Quit) [19:21] DaemonFC[m] The GPLv3 basically gets around the DMCA by having the author of the software agree that nothing in the software counts as an "effective technical protection" for implementing DRM, by releasing the software knowing that this clause is in the license. [19:22] Chaekyung why won't my spellchecker allow signees, just signers [19:22] Chaekyung "Grass-roots Support For Richard Stallman Has Reached 3500+ Signers" is that correct English? I want it to be signees for some reason [19:22] Chaekyung is there another verb I'm looking for? [19:22] DaemonFC[m] If the author of the software acknowledges that it's not DRM by releasing the software, then their later claim in court that it implements DRM would be ruined, so goes the thinking. [19:23] DaemonFC[m] So if any DRM mechanism hinges on a component licensed under the GPLv3, and you break the DRM with a modified component, then you cannot have violated the DMCA [19:24] MinceR Chaekyung: signer seems to be correct, signee would be the object of signing, perhaps [19:24] MinceR https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ee [19:24] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | -ee - Wiktionary [19:25] DaemonFC[m] Getting around US law with entire sections of a license that do god only knows what under other legal systems is not ideal. [19:25] Chaekyung thank you MinceR [19:25] DaemonFC[m] But the fact remains that about 5% of the planet's population and a more substantial amount of world GDP and most of the major tech companies are based here. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] So I suppose that it had to happen. Apple's GPL license purge has severely undermined Mac OS as any kind of "professional" operating system. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] They've shown themselves to be so incompetent with even SMB that they can't get it close to right. [19:26] DaemonFC[m] It's worse off now than they were with the last version of Samba that was under GPLv2. [19:27] DaemonFC[m] When they killed off Mac OS Server, it was due to things like this. [19:27] *zleap (~zleap@unaffiliated/zleap) has joined #techrights [19:27] MinceR np [19:28] DaemonFC[m] They're like the Goa'uld. They don't have true understanding of their own technology. It was stolen and they're just using it. [19:28] DaemonFC[m] It's like some backasswards reverse engineered shit that is kind of impressive, until you see what they based it on. [19:28] *MinceR gives voice to zleap [19:29] MinceR i think what severely undermined macOS as any kind of "professional" OS were their first principles that already existed when they started the Lisa [19:29] DaemonFC[m] Microsoft is getting there. They embrace open source because it gives them a feeding ground where they can cannibalize stuff that they'd never invest in or understand how to build right themselves, but that they're willing to use. [19:30] DaemonFC[m] My prediction for Windows and XBOX is that at some point they'll adopt Vulkan as their graphics API. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] The product is going to be a dedicated gaming console, and the graphics API is really an aside. Nobody sees it. The XBOX will be a locked down computer with DRM, but it's going to move to open source underpinnings. [19:31] DaemonFC[m] Why not? It works for Sony. [19:32] DaemonFC[m] Obviously the GPL is a problem, but since they convinced all of these foundations to either throw it out, never use it, or not enforce it, no problem. [19:34] MinceR or they'll just get courts to not enforce it [19:34] MinceR as VMware did [19:34] *kupi (uid212005@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rsqhffuuxfehttck) has joined #techrights [19:35] *MinceR gives voice to kupi ● Mar 28 [20:10] lockeanarchist Why not? It works for Sony. [20:11] lockeanarchist Sony uses a proprietary API [20:11] lockeanarchist PS5 is not compatible with Vulkan [20:12] lockeanarchist GNM and GNMX if I'm not mistaken [20:24] Ariadne hmm, actually lxoliva might not have been the crazy person fucking with cartels in BLAG [20:24] *polezaivsani (~polezaivs@orangeshoelaces.net) has joined #techrights [20:24] Ariadne the BLAG days were quite long ago :) [20:25] MinceR https://xkcd.com/181/ [20:25] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Interblag [20:26] *liberty_box has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [20:27] Ariadne either way, lxoliva would be a good candidate to lead FSF, he is committed to software freedom [20:27] XFaCE The linux-libre guy... among other things. [20:30] *liberty_box (~liberty@host81-154-169-167.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [20:31] psymin web-web [20:31] *techrights-ipfs (~techright@2a00:23c4:c3aa:7d01:c7f2:e919:b6dc:6252) has joined #techrights [20:31] MinceR blogoblag [20:31] *MinceR gives voice to polezaivsani liberty_box techrights-ipfs [20:40] techrights-ipfs IPFS downstream, 60 mins: avg(k/sec) 20.70 IPFS upstream: avg(k/sec) 50.35 swarm size (avg): 159.61 ● Mar 28 [21:07] *Narrator (adam@jarowit.net) has joined #techrights [21:07] *Narrator (adam@jarowit.net) has left #techrights [21:24] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:31] *koo5 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) ● Mar 28 [22:16] *koo5 (~koo5@37-48-25-239.nat.epc.tmcz.cz) has joined #techrights [22:24] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [22:34] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [22:37] *MinceR gives voice to koo5 GNUmoon2 [22:46] schestowitz__ [20:27] either way, lxoliva would be a good candidate to lead FSF, he is committed to software freedom [22:46] schestowitz__ Ariadne: he disputes what you said about him and drug cartels etc. [22:47] schestowitz__ says you must have mistaken him for somebody else [22:47] Ariadne schestowitz__: yes, as i noted that may have been somebody else involved in BLAG [22:47] schestowitz__ he caught up in IRC logs [22:47] schestowitz__ ah, so somebody else for sure [22:49] Ariadne either way, i think he would be a choice that most people could grow to live with [22:51] *inky (inky@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/norayr) has joined #techrights [22:51] *MinceR gives voice to inky [22:55] schestowitz__ https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235100.html [22:55] schestowitz__ " [22:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee [22:55] schestowitz__ I'm terrified by this campaign of harassment against the person who [22:55] schestowitz__ has given the biggest contribution to free software. This confirms to my [22:55] schestowitz__ eyes that the People *is not* the defensor of Liberty and only the law [22:55] schestowitz__ can defend it. The success of this campaign will prove that even the [22:55] schestowitz__ liberty to express personnal opinions seems excessive to the People. [22:55] schestowitz__ This is how terror begins. [22:55] schestowitz__ " [22:55] MinceR "the law" can't defend anything [22:56] schestowitz__ FWIW I find this terrifying too. What scare me the most is that people [22:56] schestowitz__ supporting RMS are indeed scared of coming out publicly by the [22:56] schestowitz__ aggressiveness of the campaign itself. [22:56] schestowitz__ Each one of us can be morally judged by others: how do we behave, what [22:56] schestowitz__ we write, what's the company we work for... I can myself be very [22:56] schestowitz__ sensitive to some of these topics, but this is not what Free Software is [22:56] schestowitz__ about. Free Software is about Free Software and IMHO we should be here [22:56] schestowitz__ just to progress on that. [22:56] schestowitz__ https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235107.html [22:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee [22:56] schestowitz__ I think you identify an important problem of gender imbalance in our [22:56] schestowitz__ community. It is quite likely that finding ways to make our community [22:56] schestowitz__ more welcoming to demographic groups that are currently less present [22:56] schestowitz__ than in the distribution in the global population could reduce this [22:56] schestowitz__ imbalance. [22:56] schestowitz__ However, your diagnosis as to the supposed cause of the problem makes no [22:56] schestowitz__ sense to me. You said yourself that Stallman has not participated in [22:56] schestowitz__ our community for decades. Much as I know, his very hands-off influence [22:56] schestowitz__ in the SC has been mostly limited to licensing and strategic issues, [22:56] schestowitz__ e.g. the GPLv3 and Runtime Exception relicensing, to ensure copyleft [22:57] schestowitz__ defenses were in place to avoid abuse of such features as plugins. [22:57] schestowitz__ It may be very convenient to paint a boogey-man and expel it because [22:57] schestowitz__ that became fashionable. But sacrificing a goat or a lamb does not [22:57] schestowitz__ expiate our own sins, and expelling someone who hasn't even been present [22:57] schestowitz__ in the community can't be expected to make any real difference to that [22:57] schestowitz__ matter; it would rather make us seem *less* welcoming and more [22:57] schestowitz__ intolerant, and suggest other motivations for the move. [22:57] schestowitz__ Let's be real and honest, when was the last time anyone in the GCC [22:57] schestowitz__ community was called out for sexist behavior? When was there even [22:57] schestowitz__ conversation about it, and about how sexist behavior is not acceptable [22:57] schestowitz__ and not to be accepted among participants in the GCC community? What [22:57] schestowitz__ was our latest collective action to promote e.g. gender equity within [22:57] schestowitz__ the community? [22:57] schestowitz__ If we were to shift our collective blame over this very real and [22:57] schestowitz__ undesirable problem to someone who has any direct authority over the [22:57] schestowitz__ project, why not suggesting expelling e.g. the entire Steering Committee [22:57] schestowitz__ for its evident failure to address the problem? (I don't think it's a [22:57] schestowitz__ good idea, but that would be the first thing to try if we were to blame [22:57] schestowitz__ "management"/"leadership" rather than ourselves for it) [22:57] schestowitz__ What could support any rational belief that having RMS one extra level [22:57] schestowitz__ removed from our technical community would bring about anything [22:57] schestowitz__ resembling a solution to the very undesirable and unjust gender [22:57] schestowitz__ imbalance you've correctly identified? [22:57] schestowitz__ The action you propose, besides the absence of effect in making our [22:57] schestowitz__ community actually more welcoming, because he's already absent, would [22:57] schestowitz__ send the opposite of a welcoming signal to people with controversial or [22:57] schestowitz__ impopular opinions, to people at a certain spot in the neurodiversity [22:57] schestowitz__ spectrum, and to many others who oppose this sort of mob rule. [22:57] schestowitz__ How about we set out to take individual and collective actions that [22:57] schestowitz__ actually address the problem *in* our community? We don't need anyone's [22:57] schestowitz__ approval to call out sexist acts, nor to invite and train people with an [22:57] schestowitz__ interest in compiler technology, nor to maintain a welcoming atmosphere. [22:57] schestowitz__ A regime of terror to maintain a false appearance of a welcoming [22:57] schestowitz__ atmosphere won't get us there. [22:57] schestowitz__ If we undertake such actions, individually or collecetively, you might [22:57] schestowitz__ be surprised (but I won't be) that he, even absent from the community, [22:57] schestowitz__ would support these actions, which is the very opposite of the picture [22:57] schestowitz__ you paint. [22:57] schestowitz__ Our taking effective action on our own would help show what the real [22:57] schestowitz__ issues and intents are, and it would tell apart those who are really [22:58] schestowitz__ interested in solving the gender imbalance and the social injustices [22:58] schestowitz__ causing it, like you and me, from those who are abusing that flag as a [22:58] schestowitz__ trojan horse to serve nefarious purposes, as suggested and illustrated [22:58] schestowitz__ in https://ultralux97.medium.com/stallman-must-be-removed-a3061b09fb22 [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ultralux97.medium.com | Stallman must be removed. Richard M. Stallman, frequently known | by Orwell's Ambassadors | Mar, 2021 | Medium [22:58] schestowitz__ (sorry for long paste) [22:58] schestowitz__ wrong paste, too [22:58] schestowitz__ I wanted to just paste the URL [22:58] schestowitz__ URL is https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235101.html [22:58] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee [22:58] MinceR tl;dr [22:58] schestowitz__ sorry [22:58] schestowitz__ it was an oops [22:59] MinceR :) ● Mar 28 [23:06] schestowitz__ here's something I did not know! [23:06] schestowitz__ way [23:07] schestowitz__ Mar 21 21:06:47 one little secret I can share now is that at that time, when I wrote [23:07] schestowitz__ about campaigning for RMS to return to the board, the decision to reinstate him had very [23:07] schestowitz__ nearly already been made. people who didn't know about that may have taken it as [23:07] schestowitz__ pressure on the fsf, but it really wasn't [23:07] schestowitz__ Mar 21 21:07:26 lxo: honestly i don't see why being a board member means [23:07] schestowitz__ Maybe I will post something about this later [23:07] schestowitz__ as there seems to be a misunderstanding [23:07] schestowitz__ Mar 21 21:08:38 * SomeHacker has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:07] schestowitz__ Mar 21 21:08:47 the fsf, and thus the board, should not cede to pressure. it's [23:07] schestowitz__ supposed to be driven by its mission charter, values and principles, not by pressure. [23:07] schestowitz__ pressure distracts from that [23:07] schestowitz__ Mar 21 21:08:48 i just don't think it's wrong to criticize the organization [23:08] schestowitz__ Mar 21 21:18:33 * dot0 (~dot0@fsf/member/bl0tt0) has joined [23:08] schestowitz__ Mar 21 21:18:37 I remain a voting member at the FSF, and I'm also a member of the [23:08] schestowitz__ GNU Advisory Committee, so I certainly can't complain that my plate isn't full :-) [23:09] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [23:09] *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights [23:13] *schestowitz__ gives voice to GNUmoon2 [23:13] *psydroid is getting the idea that knauth was made president of the fsf as a placeholder and a distraction to keep the mob at bay while working on a suitable strategy to make rms return bigger and better than before while making sure that rms departing for minor aggravations would not and could not happen again as soon as the real motives of the detractors had been found out [23:23] schestowitz__ ""allowhurst" is genius, I loved it (EOM)" [23:23] schestowitz__ -Anon [23:24] schestowitz__ psydroid: I have an article about it coming [23:24] schestowitz__ and the background story [23:24] schestowitz__ get ready for changes [23:25] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:28] schestowitz__ https://twitter.com/OpenTechLabChan/status/1376240170320683010 [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OpenTechLabChan: Yet another example of Twitter sentiment differing from real-world preference. Source: https://t.co/e1nCpFBPK0 https://t.co/UVkim6WmZV [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Sign the Petition in Favour of RMS as FSF Board Member (Using Codeberg) | Techrights [23:28] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OpenTechLabChan: Yet another example of Twitter sentiment differing from real-world preference. Source: https://t.co/e1nCpFBPK0 https://t.co/UVkim6WmZV [23:30] schestowitz__ https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/1221407725318172672?focusedCommentUrn=urn:comment:1221407725318172672:0:0:0:1221415093709176832 [23:30] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Oh my God!!! Our local council plans to do voting ONLINE.... | Minds [23:30] schestowitz__ "Of course they have, just like the CV, lockdown, legal 'experts' who are expert deceitful liars." [23:52] XFaCE schestowitz__: similar people want vaccine proofs on totally secure (/s) cellphones [23:52] XFaCE that is, the people pushing for online voting probably have a lot of crossover with the vaccine proof by cell phone people [23:53] XFaCE Also, you've seen IBM's involved in those ID schemes? [23:54] schestowitz__ no, not directly [23:54] XFaCE ...but they are [23:54] XFaCE For example, the Denmark pass [23:54] XFaCE that's an IBM project with the government [23:54] schestowitz__ I know they have many gov. projects [23:54] schestowitz__ but didn't keep up with ID-related [23:55] XFaCE https://abc11.com/covid-vaccine-passport-travel-coronavirus-tests-commonpass/9128169/ [23:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New apps make COVID-19 vaccine passports possible for travel - ABC11 Raleigh-Durham [23:55] *schestowitz__ adds another reason IBM dislikes RMS (he opposes many such schemes) [23:55] schestowitz__ XFaCE: it always amuses me [23:55] schestowitz__ like so many people drool to travel [23:55] XFaCE >Large tech firms are also getting in on the act. IBM developed its own app, called Digital Health Pass [23:56] schestowitz__ many people lost all their savings already [23:56] XFaCE >also working with IBM and CommonPass to help develop a set of universal standards for vaccine credential apps. [23:56] XFaCE >CommonPass, IBM and the Linux Foundation have all stressed privacy as central to their initiatives. IBM says it allows users to control and consent to the use of their health data and allows them to choose the level of detail they want to provide to authorities. [23:56] schestowitz__ so next step is, you cannot enter some buildings without some electronic "passport" [23:56] XFaCE yep [23:56] schestowitz__ covered in http://techrights.org/2021/02/09/no-shame-left/ [23:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Foundation of Shame | Techrights [23:57] schestowitz__ get ready for RMS to become more vocal about those things [23:57] schestowitz__ LF/Microsoft/IBM won't be happy [23:57] XFaCE https://www.ibm.com/dk-en/impact/covid-19 [23:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IBM's response to the COVID-19 coronavirus - Denmark | IBM [23:57] XFaCE https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1860257859784 [23:57] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Denmark launches digital COVID-19 vaccine passport | CBC.ca [23:57] schestowitz__ I don't carry around electronics with me [23:57] schestowitz__ except maybe palm PDA [23:57] XFaCE From the 90s? [23:58] schestowitz__ so this can be a trojan horses for mandatory surveillannce [23:58] schestowitz__ XFaCE: 2004 [23:58] schestowitz__ this model at leasy [23:58] schestowitz__ least [23:58] XFaCE Ironic that IBM had badge-engineered palm pilots at one point [23:58] schestowitz__ anyway, there will be resistance to that [23:58] XFaCE I hope Roy [23:58] XFaCE I really do. [23:58] schestowitz__ there already us [23:58] schestowitz__ is [23:58] schestowitz__ even in denmark [23:58] schestowitz__ protests and all [23:59] XFaCE You're in UK... I've heard it's particularly draconian there [23:59] schestowitz__ tends to be [23:59] XFaCE How is it where you are? [23:59] schestowitz__ I will confront city council next month [23:59] XFaCE :thumbsup [23:59] schestowitz__ they want to get people to use "apps" [23:59] schestowitz__ and I just want to face people [23:59] schestowitz__ with papers and all