●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, March 28, 2022 ●● ● Mar 28 [00:00] DaemonFC GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG is using their own websites as leverage here. Giving shitty fallback sites to other browsers. [00:00] DaemonFC MICROS~1 complained about this and then swiped Chromium and shut up about it. [00:01] MinceR MICROS~1 was doing something similar for ages [00:02] DaemonFC Yeah, they've found something even cheaper than hiring Communists to build Internet Exploder. Just recompile Chromium and then all you need the peasants for is to write shit code to implement your spyware instead of GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG's. [00:04] DaemonFC "EDGE" Loves LINUX!!!!!1111111111 [00:04] DaemonFC What's the matter? Don't want online price checks that are almost always wrong? [00:04] DaemonFC :) [00:05] activelow https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202201-02 [00:05] activelow https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-01 [00:05] activelow https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-02 [00:05] activelow https://security.gentoo.org/glsa/202202-03 [00:05] TR Bot Chromium, Google Chrome: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202201-02) Gentoo security [00:05] TR Bot WebkitGTK+: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-01) Gentoo security [00:05] TR Bot Chromium, Google Chrome: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-02) Gentoo security [00:05] TR Bot Mozilla Firefox: Multiple vulnerabilities (GLSA 202202-03) Gentoo security [00:06] activelow severity: red red red [00:06] activelow affected: everyone [00:06] DaemonFC It should be noted that Gentoo is apparently skipping over THREE MONTHS worth of WebkitGTK security advisories before they patch anything. [00:06] DaemonFC Wonderful practices there, wouldn't you agree MinceR? [00:07] DaemonFC "Gee, this is bad. Let's give nation states 100 more days to attack all of these before we run off a new build." [00:07] activelow nope, gentoo doesn't announce all their updates, it is only the most recent charts of the most critical ons [00:08] DaemonFC Gentoo is pretty fucking stupid, but that's what you get when you have Microsoft fanboys creating a "Linux" distro and then taking a job at Microsoft. [00:09] activelow pardon? [00:11] activelow the links only show this: _all_ major web browsers are heavily compromised currently [00:15] DaemonFC This change to GNOME theming is breaking the newer Flatpak apps. [00:15] DaemonFC They all use Adwaita Light, which kind of sucks really. [00:16] DaemonFC So your options are to build the color theme simulator or get a newer distribution with at least GNOME 41. [00:17] DaemonFC "Dark Style Initiative" [00:17] DaemonFC You could ALWAYS change the global theme to Adwaita Dark in Tweaks until now. [00:17] DaemonFC They could have just moved the GUI for that into the Control Center, but NOOOOOOOOOOO. [00:18] DaemonFC Honestly it's shit like this that's making me consider wiping GNOME and using KDE. [00:21] DaemonFC "For years, the Software Center in Ubuntu has handled the updating of firmware. With the release of Ubuntu 22.04, a new GUI application will be unveiled, which is really just a front-end for the fwupd command line utility. This is a right step in the direction of user friendliness and clarity about system updates." [00:22] DaemonFC Considering that all GNOME Software does with fwupd is pop up an error message about checksum mismatches in the downloaded repo XML, it could hardly get worse. [00:22] DaemonFC "The installation prompts for Ubuntu 22.04 are going to look a little different, because the installer itself has actually been completely revamped. It sports a much more modern and sleek look, while still reflecting the simplicity of Ubuntu. It was created using Googles Flutter UI development kit." [00:23] DaemonFC *barf* [00:23] DaemonFC I wonder if it still crashes and doesn't know how to actually set up a standard btrfs subvoluming scheme. [00:24] DaemonFC "OpenSSL 3.0" [00:24] DaemonFC Throw more money at it! That always fixes the problem! -MICROS~1 and GOOOOOOOLAG [00:24] DaemonFC So I'm confused, are we keeping the big endian x86 on DOS support? I can never tell. [00:25] DaemonFC Maybe mjg59_ has been informed by the NSA as to what's happening on this exciting front of "open source". [00:25] DaemonFC Or can we lose the 10,000 year old dead plants now? [00:26] DaemonFC "Grub 2.06 wont automatically probe for other OS installations and add them to the boot menu. Luckily, theres a simple fix of adding GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to the /etc/default/grub file and then running sudo update-grub." [00:26] DaemonFC More dumb shit from GNU. It's like they want people to drop GRUB and use something else and yet no matter how awful they make it, nobody does. [00:28] DaemonFC Back when there were options about how you wanted your computer to boot, I used to always just pick lilo, because Grub was so bad that it could corrupt your file system in subtle ways without knowing under what conditions that happened. GNU simply abandoned the original Grub and a pile of about 200 patches were tossed around by distributions, and it was never the same thing twice. [00:28] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [00:28] DaemonFC Grub 2 is actually even worse in some ways. [00:29] DaemonFC For example, old Grub let you edit a flat text file and the changes went into effect on your next boot without having to remember how to actually make it respect those changes, which varies depending on whether you use Debian or Fedora. [00:30] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [00:30] DaemonFC As a user, it seems that Grub 2 and uEFI are in a pissing match to see who can fuck up the process of booting a computer more. [00:30] DaemonFC "Kernel 5.15" [00:30] DaemonFC Already using 5.16 on Debian (backports). [00:31] DaemonFC "Ubuntu Pro" [00:31] DaemonFC This one may be worth something to a home user. [00:32] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [00:32] DaemonFC Canonical gives it out free for up to 3 computers, and it effectively doubles the support lifecycle to 10 years. If you're on a laptop, Livepatch probably doesn't matter much unless you're just bad about rebooting. [00:32] DaemonFC So assuming there is a Canonical in 10 years, it may be worth something. [00:32] *Noisytoot has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [00:33] DaemonFC But given how much they're sucking MICROS~1's dick and how bad that's tended to play out for everyone else that has, who knows if you'll get the ten years. [00:33] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [00:33] DaemonFC Debian will probably exist in 10 years. It's been around for like almost 30 already. [00:33] DaemonFC "Core Application Updates" [00:34] DaemonFC Mostly unimportant if you're a Flatpak user. About the only thing I see here that may be nice to have if you use Airpods is the new version of Pulseaudio since it can use AAC as a Bluetooth codec. [00:34] DaemonFC So can my stereo for that matter. [00:34] DaemonFC So I may actually try this and see if I like it. [00:35] DaemonFC The source files are all Opus on my storage, but theoretically Opus to AAC should work better than Opus to SBC. [00:38] DaemonFC MinceR, I wonder what people fed their cats before the 1950s. [00:38] DaemonFC Wikipedia says dog food existed as of 1936, but cat food wasn't around until about 1950. [00:39] DaemonFC I wasn't really paying attention too much to what I was feeding my last cat. [00:39] DaemonFC I hope I didn't contribute to those kidney stones he had at the end. [00:40] DaemonFC I know better than to feed the cat something where it goes "corn, corn gluten meal, meat byproduct" now. :/ [00:40] activelow DaemonFC: whom are you talking to? [00:41] MinceR maybe they didn't keep that many cats and the cats would just hunt the usual stuff around the house [00:41] MinceR or they gave them the sort of meat they ate themselves [00:41] DaemonFC Possibly. My cats don't like chicken and turkey or tuna. [00:41] DaemonFC They snub it, eat around it, go for the cat food. [00:42] DaemonFC activelow, Well, for the most part WebkitGTK and GNOME Web have been getting better. [00:43] DaemonFC 1. They're very fast now. 2. They don't make my laptop fans go brr. 3. Firefox Sync actually works, and so does the password manager, without stuffing itself and requiring me to delete the browser's configuration folder and give up on using that. [00:43] DaemonFC :) [00:43] activelow with BaphometOS the only graphical web browser available will be netsurf [00:43] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot) has joined #techrights [00:43] DaemonFC schestowitz knows that I've been trying to relegate Firefox to a backup for corner cases. [00:43] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@freenode/user/Noisytoot) has joined #techrights [00:44] DaemonFC GNOME Web can sync with Fennec F-Droid on my Android phone. [00:44] DaemonFC And then I have a solution where there's at least no tracking garbage in the browser binaries themselves. [00:44] *Noisytoot (~noisytoot@y56qsb6r6yg94.irc) has joined #techrights [00:44] activelow gnome web is a dbus poisoned webkit frontend; and besides webkit has many issues [00:45] activelow currently, i kept Badwolf browser with outdated webkit version; crashes too often, not worth the effort anymore. [00:46] activelow and any recebt webkit is pure pain; same with chromium and it's offspring [00:46] activelow *recent [00:46] activelow with BaphometOS i will do it as follows: [00:47] activelow the base-system will be kept clean without any c++ dependency, compiled with gcc-4.7 (and later TinyCC); [00:47] activelow and anything depending on c++ will be maintained inside a separate $sysroot; optionally chrooted into [00:48] activelow which is necessary to ensure the base system remains clean [00:48] activelow and the separate $sysroot with c++ dependencies inside won't be updated as often with less reviews [00:51] activelow my basesystem is more restrictive than *bsd even; because openbsd for example did allow recent gcc versions and clang/llvm; i do not [00:54] activelow and i will verify BaphometOS base system with raspberry pi3 and an aarch32 kernel; cannot test aarch32 kernel because the rk3328 SoC are aarch64 [00:54] activelow and well, although i am not planning to use raspberry pi, many other may benefit from BaphometOS [00:55] activelow it will ship all required development tooling, including the legacy gcc-4.7 compiler, the gentoo stuff, tinycc etc. [00:56] activelow and any developer can be sure, the base system provided is clean without any excessive dependency graph into ms/google/ibm "innovative" territory [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 70.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 263.53 [00:59] activelow aarch32 kernel is crucial, because gcc-4.7 doesn't support aarch64; and tinycc (with aarch32 and/or aarch64) isn't ready yet ● Mar 28 [01:01] activelow too, i appreciate, with gentoo crossdev gcc-4.7 can bootstrap any later gcc version for any supported target; i verified this with aarch64 -> aarch32 and vice versa, up until gcc-8.5 [01:01] activelow so, there won't be an issue ugprading, the problem still is downgrading to a sane compiler/toolchain (with tinycc) [01:02] activelow and i will crate an amd64.iso with the clean base system; however i am not willing to support any UEFI at all, hence it is of limited use nowadays [01:02] activelow *create [01:06] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:07] activelow BaphometOS will be shipped with a root.squashfs read-only, with overlayfs to persist changes to the root filesystem, which is practical, and provides another security barrier against unintended alterations [01:08] activelow kernel development would be somewhat cumbersome (although i am hacking kernel here too), yet kernel deployment requires assembling a firmware image (which is supported with some scripts) [01:08] activelow furthermore, the idea isn't to make updates easy, the idea is to make development easy, including creation of a custom firmware [01:09] activelow i think, a two/three years release cycle is sufficient; given the fact any later than kernel v5.10 is blacklisted anyway (because C11) [01:09] mjg59_ DaemonFC: As a foreign national, the NSA aren't super keen on me as an asset [01:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [01:22] activelow BaphometOS is the last remaining distribution globally without c++ dependencies; no udevd, no systemd, no pam, no sysvinit, no dbus... none of this [01:23] activelow huge benefit of this, if a developer expected cmake, libgl.so, or whatever, if it is gone it was probably removed for very good reasons [01:25] activelow same for sysadmins... nope, there's no init scripts or any of the typical bureaucracy [01:28] activelow i wouldn't want to boast about security, nonetheless i think nut-cracking a BaphometOS firmware won't be easy, either online or offline [01:30] activelow a compile-time CFLAGS=-DSCRAMBLER_KEY alters the internal squashfs scrambler compression if desired; and boot process is locked to prevent any interruption anywhere [01:30] activelow it's not as if any "hacker" could fiddle with /etc/shadow and expect a root-shell [01:32] activelow for hard-disks i re-integrated loopdev, with a high-speed scrambler [01:32] activelow there's some minor regression remaining with md-raid/loopdev, some buffering/locking issue, yet 30MiB/s is good enough for me [01:32] activelow # elosetup /dev/loop2 [01:32] activelow /dev/loop2: [0005]:8599 (/dev/md128), encryption (type 2) [01:34] activelow the cipher design is extremely simple, wouldn't bother with publishing it, not concerned about ECB nor known-plaintext cribs at all [01:35] DaemonFC DaemonFC: As a foreign national, the NSA aren't super keen on me as an asset [01:35] DaemonFC It wouldn't be the first time. [01:35] activelow non-primitive recurse LFSR 32bit, that's what i chose, it's the simplest and fastest 32bit cipher the NSA had ever seen, guaranteed [01:36] DaemonFC activelow, GNOME has officially jumped the shark on their own stupidity. [01:36] DaemonFC It used to be "Yeah, so what if none of this works on other desktops!". [01:37] DaemonFC And now it's "No, that solution is WAAAAY too easy, let's break it if you're using last year's GNOME.". [01:40] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/wicker-park-store-offers-tasty-treats-dogs-humans-can-share/ [01:40] TR Bot Wicker Park store offers tasty treats dogs, humans can share | WGN-TV [01:41] DaemonFC Wow, they figured out how to turn cow lung and spleen into $7.50 an OUNCE dog treats. [01:41] activelow GTK cannot remain inside the base-system, there is one c++ dependency remaining in the bdeps: dev-util/gperf [01:41] DaemonFC Jesus fuck. I don't usually spend $7.50 a POUND on things to feed myself. [01:41] activelow otherwise GTK3 didn't violate any criteria yet, so i will integrate into $sysroot [01:42] activelow GNOME however is a BaphometOS warzone [01:42] DaemonFC The EU and Germany are conspiring to force activelow into poverty. [01:42] DaemonFC I feel like there should be that guy putting stick in bicycle wheel meme here though. [01:42] DaemonFC "DAMN YOU AMERICA!" [01:42] MinceR :> [01:43] activelow DaemonFC: good, then you see /dev/loop2 remains what it is [01:43] activelow and this is only the *nix fun, not to mention all the Telco management bag loaded onto my back [01:43] DaemonFC There's ups and downs with any decision you make, I suppose. [01:43] activelow although, i dropped this one 15 years ago already, may they carry it [01:44] DaemonFC I think people use GNOME because in many ways KDE is even more fucked up somehow. [01:44] activelow sure, KDE and any QT4/5 etc. are long gone [01:44] DaemonFC Certain video websites are using this HTTPS Live Streaming "feature" so as to obscure how to download the video. [01:45] activelow there was a chance with KDE3, yet it is too much efforts (i did re-integrate QT3/trinity desktop and it was almost flawless) [01:45] DaemonFC So I get to wait while VDH gets the packets and reassembles them into a new container. [01:45] DaemonFC Not computationally cheap, mind you. [01:45] activelow however, too much effort, and more important things to do with BaphometOS [01:45] activelow the only truly real *nix [01:46] DaemonFC Hyperinflate the currency! [01:46] DaemonFC Stagnant wages! [01:46] DaemonFC Complains about "pirates" and why people don't eat out more, and why Disney World is looking awfully empty all of a sudden. [01:46] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [01:47] DaemonFC Biden is pretty much doing to us what Europe has been going through for years. [01:47] DaemonFC They want to force everyone to become vegetarians who have to rely on the bus for lack of a better living standard. [01:49] DaemonFC They know nobody is going to give up meat or their car voluntarily, so the billionaires with the 10 private jets and sprawling mansions and put out more carbon going to a single "climate change" conferance than the average American produces in an entire lifetime conspire to rob us of our living standards with hyperinflation and at each other's throats for jobs.... [01:49] DaemonFC Texas actually requires an annual safety inspection on your car every year. [01:50] *activelow barely could afford a train ticket [01:50] DaemonFC Illinois doesn't. As long as your CEL isn't on and your car isn't producing 30% more smog than it was designed to (what it usually takes to trip an error light) you're fine. [01:51] DaemonFC So it can be a complete piece of shit that could cause a pile up on the freeway and all the state cares about is whether it puts out too much pollution. [01:52] DaemonFC It's really not a great idea to let your car get so out of whack that it pollutes like that because it usually means it's going through 30% more gasoline at the time the light comes on, but..... [01:52] DaemonFC Obviously people are spending their entire car budget trying to keep the fucking light off when it's not a safety hazard. [01:52] DaemonFC Then you see them driving around with tires so bald the cords are showing. [01:52] DaemonFC 10% of their brake pads left. [01:52] DaemonFC Wheel bearing so far gone it's smoking and they're doing 90 mph. [01:53] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [01:53] DaemonFC When mom handed me this car it was getting 9 miles per gallon in the city and she goes "Gee I don't know, I think I was getting 20.". [01:53] DaemonFC Right..... [01:54] DaemonFC I had it tuned up and replaced a bunch of filters (myself) and fixed vacuum leaks, and it slowly came back up to about 17-18. [01:54] DaemonFC But she had let it get to HALF what it was supposed to which already wasn't terrific to begin with. [01:55] DaemonFC Then she drives around like that going "Damn Biden! Gas went up a nickel today!". [01:55] DaemonFC When she's not even paying attention to the fact that the car is using two gallons to get as far as one ought to get her. [01:57] DaemonFC The only reason I even bothered to fix the engine up was because the mechanic looked it over really well and said the metal parts, the pistons, rings, etc. were in really good shape somehow and what was wrong with it was "all of this cheap plastic shit". [01:57] DaemonFC Of course, she just always buys cars without doing any research at all. [01:57] DaemonFC If you got a 2002, the intakes would have been aluminum, not plastic. [01:57] DaemonFC And the only part you'd likely need to replace would be the gasket.. [01:58] DaemonFC And they were probably closing out a 2002 right next to this thing. [01:58] DaemonFC Every year, shit gets worse. [01:58] DaemonFC Everything you can possibly buy get worse. [01:58] DaemonFC The heyday of the US economy was probably 1999. That's where I'd put the peak. [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 47.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 64.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 357.35 ● Mar 28 [02:00] DaemonFC Every year a car company makes a product, they figure out how to make it less reliable on purpose and then they pass the savings right along to you. $10,000 price hike and oh yeah, we don't have any computers to run the air conditioner in the back seat so here's a $50 gift card. -Ford [02:00] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [02:00] DaemonFC I don't know if you can still buy anything with that. It's fifty Biden Dollars. [02:00] DaemonFC Spend it quick! [02:02] activelow ever read about the Lada Niva? [02:02] DaemonFC No [02:02] activelow interesting concept car, designed and produced for one purpose only: practical in rural areas for farmers [02:03] activelow built for 40years now, with some minor alterations [02:03] activelow some years ago, price was 10K cash, brand new from Russia [02:04] activelow this car is the record-holder in Antarctica, some dozens of thousands of miles, at -50degC [02:07] MinceR concept? [02:08] MinceR it's pretty low quality though [02:09] DaemonFC Eh..... [02:09] DaemonFC As long as it's cheap to buy and cheap to fix, who cares? [02:10] MinceR i do [02:10] DaemonFC Nobody that lives in our building seems to have a car newer than about 2005 maybe? [02:10] MinceR i don't like wasting my time on taking the car to the workshop [02:10] MinceR or having it towed from where it fell apart [02:10] activelow the Lada Niva relatively small, for the average body size, humans were ~20 centimeters shorter 40years ago [02:10] DaemonFC You just have to keep them running forever now like Cuba because the government has mandated so much stupid shit that there's no alternative. [02:11] MinceR if i wanted a small, hardcore offroad SUV and didn't mind it being cramped and underpowered, i would have bought a Suzuki Jimny [02:11] MinceR far better than any lada [02:11] activelow it is very noisy inside; too it is recommended some sealing is applied for offroad scenarios, which isn't too expensive [02:12] DaemonFC Carvana gets ae lot of BMWs. [02:12] DaemonFC And they're not even that old. [02:12] activelow and, the LNG option is interesting, given petrol prices, LNG is 50% the price of regular E10 fuel [02:12] DaemonFC Tells you what their original owner thought of it. [02:12] DaemonFC Trying to get out of something that's bleeding them like a stuck pig. [02:12] MinceR yeah, if i wanted an excuse to visit the workshop all the time, i'd buy a BMW [02:13] MinceR provided i didn't have a better thing to spend money on than badly designed replacement parts, that is [02:13] activelow an offroader for 10K cash, that was exceptional price/performance [02:14] activelow although, i fear, workshops and repair are easier in Russia, there is rarely any Lada supplier anywhere in Europe [02:16] MinceR also, buying ladas and lada parts would help fund terrorussia's terror campaigns, so i'd rather not do that anyway [02:16] MinceR then again, i'm not sure if they'll even be making any more of them, considering that renault is supposed to be leaving terrorussia [02:16] MinceR and they own lada [02:18] activelow hungarian Ikarus manufacturer is defunct too [02:19] activelow i think east-germany was a parts supplier to Ikarus, and those suppliers are either gone too or altererd their products to supply western industry [02:24] MinceR yeah [02:24] MinceR and somehow budapest managed to find even worse buses than those [02:24] MinceR "premium" low-floor crap from mercedes-benz which is like it doesn't even have a suspension [02:25] MinceR though i suspect that they're much more tolerable on roads that don't suck [02:25] MinceR and also that the issue is because of hungarian local governments' inexplicable obsession with low-floor vehicles [02:25] MinceR "low entry" should be plenty enough [02:37] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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[02:58] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/wgn-news-now/blood-pressure-medication-recall-is-impacting-millions-what-patients-need-to-know/ [02:58] TR Bot Blood pressure medication recall is impacting millions, what patients need to know | WGN-TV [02:58] DaemonFC This keeps happening for whatever reason. [02:58] DaemonFC Mine isn't on the recall list. [02:58] DaemonFC I haven't checked my blood pressure since starting Irbesartan, but it feels lower. [02:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.00 k/sec., IPFS upstream 74.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 214.96 [02:59] DaemonFC The long term damage of high blood pressure is too much to ignore. [02:59] DaemonFC My ex was 35 when he had a stroke. They got him to the hospital and he didn't die, but I mean, god damn. ● Mar 28 [03:00] DaemonFC So when my doctor said you won't stroke out at 38, I said, "One of my exes did at 35.". 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[03:17] DaemonFC If it's not already in progress. [03:18] DaemonFC Gran Turismo 7 is just the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. [03:18] DaemonFC The PlayStation wants to be more like some dumb smartphone game, only you pay $70 for the game and you only have half the game unless you pay more or do some really pointless "grinding". [03:21] MinceR who cares, we can make our own [03:31] kingoffrance 1 and maybe 2 are the only gran turismo i ever played. they had concept cars. "Lada Niva" [03:33] MinceR lol [03:33] MinceR my preferred driving game is Carmageddon: Max Damage [03:33] MinceR if it has real vehicles, they're renamed :> [03:39] DaemonFC I got Mandy with the old joke.... "What's long, and hard, and full of seamen?". [03:39] DaemonFC :/ [03:39] DaemonFC I thought everyone had heard that one. [03:40] DaemonFC if it has real vehicles, they're renamed :> [03:40] DaemonFC Does it have the BMW that breaks down before you even get to run over anyone? [03:40] MinceR lol [03:40] MinceR i don't think it does [03:41] MinceR ah, someone actually figured it out [03:41] MinceR https://www.igcd.net/game.php?id=1000011802 [03:43] DaemonFC "1990 Lada 1300" [03:43] DaemonFC :/ [03:43] MinceR :) [03:44] *asusbox2 has quit (connection closed) [03:44] *asusbox2 (~rianne@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [03:53] *matey (~matey@b3rs3wwrk3aiu.irc) has joined #techrights [03:53] *asusbox2 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [03:53] *asusbox2 (~rianne@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [03:54] matey https://github.com/srid/GNUSim8085/issues/63 "GNUSim8085 should support the "undocumented" 8085 instruction and flags but does not appear to." [03:54] TR Bot "undocumented" 8085 instructions and flags Issue #63 srid/GNUSim8085 GitHub [03:54] matey "It has been known since 1979 that the 8085 contains undocumented opcodes and flag bits." [03:54] matey "The information on flags from Ken Shirriff and opcodes from Pavel Zima is based on images of the silicon circuitry on the actual chip and are definitively correct." [03:55] matey ^ to schestowitz schestowitz-tr who says that you cant get information from silicon (even though it wouldnt matter as with free hardware, you wouldnt get it "from the silicon" but the lithograph/plans/blueprints) [03:56] matey while trying to paint free silicon advocacy as "absolutism" and not the next step forward in freedom [03:56] matey its one thing to downplay threats-- but to always spread fud about the newest, most incredible efforts to be more free... [03:57] matey maybe i misunderstood of course (thats the usual line) [03:57] matey oh no, i didnt mean it that way. by "absolutist" i meant "blah blah blah" [03:58] matey didnt even go looking for this! simply found it in the middle of research i was already doing. [03:58] matey stumbled onto it by chance. [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 39.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 62.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 226.40 ● Mar 28 [04:00] matey Sun 17:52:28 schestowitz-TR this is where I deplore some absolutists schestowitz-TR they go down to silicon schestowitz-TR like physically silicon schestowitz-TR not semi-conductors schestowitz-TR yes, well... you cannot check your wafer with a microscope, not usefully anyway [04:00] matey /me deplores 2-faced idiots [04:00] matey "like physically silicon... not semi-conductors" rofl [04:01] matey downplay github, downplay ibm, fud openbsd, fud free silicon [04:01] matey downplay systemd "no we wrote many articles" [04:02] matey schestowitz-TR yes, well... you cannot check your wafer with a microscope, not usefully anyway okay, explain https://github.com/srid/GNUSim8085/issues/63 [04:02] matey schestowitz-TR yes, well... i constantly pull fud out of my arse [04:03] matey but why? [04:03] matey why DO that? [04:04] matey the cognitive dissonance i used to go through when he said things like this a year or two ago "must be some mistake" [04:04] matey benefit of the doubt [04:05] matey i was such a sucker [04:05] matey its just bullshit [04:05] *matey has quit (Quit) [04:21] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, March 27, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [04:21] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [04:21] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [04:21] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [04:31] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (connection closed) [04:33] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [04:33] *Guest91 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [04:46] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowitz_log@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [04:46] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowi@joseon-r0e7mo.am6e.nqgd.t29qgt.IP) has joined #techrights [04:46] *schestowitz_log_ has quit (Changing host) [04:46] *schestowitz_log_ (~schestowi@freenode/user/schestowitz) has joined #techrights [04:47] *Guest91 (~schestowi@2a00:23c4:c383:c901:7114:7fa7:5d4e:58b7) has joined #techrights [04:47] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [04:57] *matey (~matey@gbgr2jcp6yrt2.irc) has joined #techrights [04:57] schestowitz-TR hi matey [04:57] schestowitz-TR sorry if I said something that offended you [04:58] matey oh you mean like the time you spent an entire year telling anyone that would listen that i went nuts over an argument with mincer? [04:58] schestowitz-TR it was not just about MinceR [04:58] matey even in november you said "this is where it all started"-- in december? [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 43.30 average k/sec., average swarm size 319.15 [04:59] matey go back to august (a bit before december) to an article where i said i was leaving because i was tired of being misrepresented in articles. [04:59] matey but sure, lets make it about a nothing exchange with mincer. it wasnt even important. [04:59] matey regarding silicon: [04:59] schestowitz-TR this is the schtick they use against RMS a lot [04:59] schestowitz-TR RMS responds with table analogies, IIRC ● Mar 28 [05:00] matey beg your pardon? [05:00] matey In the summer of 2009, the Visual6502.org project shot and assembled high resolution photographs of a MOS 6502 revision D. The surface of the chip was photographed, then the metal and polysilicon layers were stripped off to reveal the conductive substrate diffusion areas. The substrate was photographed, and the substrate image was aligned to the surface image. [05:00] schestowitz-TR I'd need to look up videos [05:00] schestowitz-TR they belittle RMS work [05:00] matey so theyre taking a 6502 and reverse engineering it [05:00] schestowitz-TR by bringing "open" hardware into it [05:01] schestowitz-TR "free hardware designs" [05:01] schestowitz-TR and he explains he cannot dod chip fabs at home [05:01] schestowitz-TR *do [05:01] matey it has nothing to do with belittling his work [05:01] matey and he explains he cannot dod chip fabs at home <- hes wrong actually [05:02] schestowitz-TR maybe for high mm density [05:02] schestowitz-TR micrometer [05:02] matey this is literally about science. and his positions are based on assumptions that are demonstrably false [05:02] matey maybe for high mm density <- the density that is possible to fab continues to increase [05:03] matey people like lrowe have real numbers [05:03] schestowitz-TR iirc, it used to be transistor tubes [05:03] schestowitz-TR back in the 50s [05:03] schestowitz-TR those can be separately repaired? [05:03] matey transistor tubes would be painfully behind the times of what even hobbyists are now capable of [05:03] matey replaced [05:04] matey i dont know if you can repair a blown transistor or why you would want to [05:04] schestowitz-TR programmable boards are interesting [05:04] matey people dont repair blown light bulbs and that would be much easier [05:04] schestowitz-TR but then you need to check the chip itself [05:04] schestowitz-TR and whether that chip makes sense, it's like a layer osf virtualisation [05:05] matey but then you need to check the chip itself <- if the transistors are discrete there is no "chip"-- the integrated circuit didnt exist in the 50s [05:05] schestowitz-TR where you want to audit the hypervisor itself [05:06] matey well it definitely depends if we are talking about transistors from the 50s or chips from the 70s onward [05:06] schestowitz (cat) [05:06] schestowitz gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D185.jpg [05:06] matey hobbyists can do both now. [05:06] schestowitz matey: you cheetah on me gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D543.jpg [05:06] matey so rms is factually wrong. [05:07] matey the thing is, his position is based on assumptions that are a decade out of date [05:07] matey its unscientific, next to dogma [05:07] matey flat-earthism [05:07] TR News "I was also thinking about partitioning my Tinylog. But it isn't Gopher with their catalog of files. Gemini is similar to WWW, with content mixed with site structure. So in Gopher, we would link to content, rather than to site structure like in WWW and Gemini." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi [05:08] matey of course no one expects him to be right about things he doesnt keep up to date on [05:08] schestowitz-TR matey: he said that around 2005-2010 [05:08] schestowitz-TR that I was it anyway [05:08] schestowitz-TR something about sawing his own chair [05:08] matey well hes said things more recently in gnu mailing lists [05:08] schestowitz-TR and equipment necessary [05:08] matey i mean this year. [05:08] matey literally 2022. [05:08] matey if not, then 2021, i didnt go back farther than that. [05:09] matey CUSTOM hardware is becoming so cheap, i said this more than a year ago-- that its increasingly practical to move malware directly to the silicon [05:10] matey i dont mean malware that is attached later with wires or physical access [05:10] matey i mean malware in the original production process, like lenovo did [05:10] schestowitz-TR that malware is something part of the design for states now [05:10] matey states as in nation states? [05:10] schestowitz-TR so making designs like risc-v and publishing the designs would be something russia, china, india can benefit from [05:11] matey i mean there are hundreds of countries that could benefit in the long run [05:11] schestowitz-TR righht, but [05:11] schestowitz-TR they have many other issues and limited resources [05:11] schestowitz-TR so they would take whetever larger nations throw at them [05:12] schestowitz-TR say, kenya or vietnam [05:12] schestowitz-TR china and india have resources for space programs too [05:12] matey this would apply to any country with makerspaces [05:13] matey in the 1900s the big deal might have been building radios [05:13] matey in the 2000s the future could mean building cpus [05:13] matey youre still talking as if they have to invest in fabs-- the whole point is that you can make a cpu without a traditional fab now [05:14] schestowitz-TR i need to read up on it [05:15] schestowitz-TR iirc, some "modern" CPUs are hundreds of billions of gates [05:15] matey https://web.archive.org/web/20220328035750/https://kylo.tv/how-to-reverse-engineer-a-computer-chip/ /https://kylo.tv/how-to-reverse-engineer-a-computer-chip/ [05:15] TR Bot How To Reverse Engineer A Computer Chip? Kylo [05:15] TR Bot How To Reverse Engineer A Computer Chip? Kylo [05:15] schestowitz-TR and GPUs maybe a lot more [05:16] matey gnu wasnt built on trying to recreate the windows api. [05:16] matey it was created in the 80s and 90s based on a 70s operating system [05:16] matey its still quite useful [05:16] schestowitz-TR so scaling down basically [05:16] matey silicon shouldnt be held to a different standard-- at any rate it would be useless to do so [05:17] matey making technology free has always started with more modest designs. [05:17] matey but the scaled "up" designs were often unnecessary [05:17] matey you scale down every time you opt for used hardware and brag about how 6 pcs add up to less than 1000 pounds. [05:17] matey libre hardware is no different [05:17] matey it has to start somewhere [05:18] matey my computers are typically years old when i get them and i run them for years [05:18] matey technology moves fast, free hardware will continue to advance [05:18] *Despatche has quit (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [05:19] matey gnu isnt a 1970s os anymore (neither is bsd) [05:19] matey but it had to start somewhere [05:20] TR News This past week quite a few Europe Patents were reported to have been smashed by tribunals. | Gemini address: This past week quite a few Europe Patents were reported to have been smashed by tribunals. [05:20] matey imagine if we had let microsoft dismiss gnu on the grounds that it didnt support the complexity of the win api [05:20] TR News The Patent Distortion: Judging by the Media, the EPO Strike Never Happened (and Lots More Lies, Even Promotion of Illegal Agenda) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/27/media-blackout-europe/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/27/media-blackout-europe/ [05:20] TR Bot The Patent Distortion: Judging by the Media, the EPO Strike Never Happened (and Lots More Lies, Even Promotion of Illegal Agenda) | Techrights [05:20] schestowitz-TR but waity [05:20] matey why would anyone expect free hardware to match modern chips in complexity out of the gate? [05:20] schestowitz-TR in 1983 windows was hardly a thing [05:21] schestowitz-TR and gnu wasn't made to replace windows [05:21] matey no it was meant to provide free computing [05:21] schestowitz-TR right [05:21] matey and even though it wasnt made to replace windows [05:21] matey it suitably does so. [05:21] matey literally without trying to. [05:22] matey in some instances, gnu/linux plus wine is better than windows in ways that can be measured [05:22] matey obviously in terms of compatibility its never going to be 1:1 [05:23] matey but when windows drops compatbility in some areas, wine doesnt-- in those instances it can even beat windows at compatbility! [05:23] schestowitz-TR microsoft lacks the incentive to work as well as wine on windows apis [05:23] schestowitz-TR they want to push newer version of malwaredows [05:23] matey exactly [05:24] matey we are kidding ourselves if we think malware isnt already in silicon-- but most of it is firmware so we dont need silicon to beat that [05:24] matey we can have free firmware [05:24] matey but if we ignore the progression of this we can dismiss free silicon entirely, and miss the point of it [05:25] matey rms is demonstrating a double standard when he pretends he has to make his own cpus for free silicon to be useful [05:25] schestowitz-TR fsf would say, not our department [05:25] matey its NOT [05:25] matey its not their dept at all [05:25] schestowitz-TR like when it's asked abouty russian sanctions [05:25] schestowitz-TR fsf says free designs [05:25] schestowitz-TR but hardly lists that in high-priority projectrs [05:25] matey i dont have to write my own operating system to benefit from free software [05:25] schestowitz-TR as it is not software, I assume [05:26] matey rms doesnt have to make his own cpu to benefit from free silicon either [05:26] schestowitz-TR btw [05:26] matey it was a sheer double standard when he said that [05:26] schestowitz-TR IEEE (IIRC) had a new article of interest last week, or relevance [05:26] schestowitz-TR about a group that works on the hardware side [05:26] schestowitz-TR let me find it... [05:27] schestowitz or maybe I was thinking of https://eponymouspickle.blogspot.com/2022/03/open-source-robotics-foundation-osrf.html [05:27] TR Bot The Eponymous Pickle: Open Source Robotics Foundation (OSRF) [05:28] schestowitz oh, never mind, it's about robotics https://spectrum.ieee.org/open-robotics [05:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: ieee.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://spectrum.ieee.org/open-robotics [05:28] TR Bot Happy 10th Birthday to the Open Source Robotics Foundation - IEEE Spectrum [05:28] matey https://yewtu.be/watch?v=r8Vq5NV4Ens [05:28] TR Bot How I reverse engineer a chip - Invidious [05:28] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163055 [05:28] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [05:28] schestowitz-TR back in a moment, boiling water on the hob [05:30] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [05:31] matey by the way, the person involved in maintaining the web interface for the gnu bug tracker works for aws [05:32] matey not that its criminal to work for amazon, just that-- i mean this is what happens [05:32] schestowitz-TR amazon hired loads of people [05:32] matey projects move from hobby projects "not big and sophisticated like gnu" to corporate products [05:32] schestowitz-TR many from red hat moved there [05:32] schestowitz-TR when they left ICBM [05:32] schestowitz-TR some as engineers, some as management [05:33] schestowitz-TR former USPTO head, michelle lee, is an amazon now [05:33] matey but then corporate products try to crush hobbyists-- disney did the same thing [05:33] schestowitz-TR fun fact: amazon has almost 10 times more staff than Microsoft [05:33] schestowitz-TR but many are "low skilled" [05:33] schestowitz-TR and Microsoft does the permatemp spiel [05:33] matey walt disney constantly remixed existing commercial works-- like steamboat bill [05:33] schestowitz-TR amazon also disposes of employees a lot [05:34] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [05:34] matey then when he died, the corporation that took over (im not saying disney was a saint, just an artist) tried to stop people from doing the same [05:34] -Unit193/Wallops-We'll be restarting erbium, strontium and webchat in a few minutes so you'll notice all webchat clients quitting. Hang tight and things will be back to normal shortly. [05:34] *Skywave has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:34] AdmFubar us ogh [05:34] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [05:34] matey even rewriting the laws to benefit corporations solely and people like disney himself become serfs [05:34] schestowitz-TR so a bit like microsoft in some regard [05:35] matey exactly like microsoft [05:35] matey this is an anti-pattern in capitalism [05:35] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/03/18/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-13/ [05:35] TR Bot EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XIII: A Global IP Player | Techrights [05:35] AdmFubar what is a hob? [05:35] schestowitz "In the early 1990s, when the companys annual revenues had just crossed the billion-dollar threshold, Microsoft held around five patents." [05:35] matey cooker/stove = hob [05:35] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@u7rbmzczvg554.irc) has joined #techrights [05:35] *includeals has quit (*.net *.split) [05:35] *tayy has quit (*.net *.split) [05:35] *tayy (~tayy@ns502531.ip-142-4-214.net) has joined #techrights [05:36] matey gates wasnt interested in patents until he realised they could be used as a weapon [05:36] matey you feel differently about weapons when youre powerful enough to hire an army :) [05:36] matey gates didnt want them used against microsoft-- once microsoft was big enough to se them, he felt quite differently [05:37] matey same with free software [05:37] matey microsoft didnt want free software used to defeat them [05:37] matey once they figured out how to use free software against itself, now they <3 linux [05:37] *includeals (~includeal@a89-153-106-143.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [05:37] matey free software is still the competition [05:38] matey only now they can use the competition against the competition [05:38] matey i dont know how anyone can paint this as their being won over [05:38] matey they only embrace things to kill them [05:38] matey or to use them against competitors [05:38] schestowitz-TR has not worked entirely [05:39] schestowitz-TR it's also a risky gambit [05:39] matey no but most things dont work entirely [05:39] schestowitz-TR as it distracts them from their own wares [05:39] schestowitz-TR look at the state of windows [05:39] schestowitz-TR it's in disarray [05:39] matey im sure theyve weighed the risks [05:39] schestowitz-TR they just bribe officials to keep some share going [05:39] matey my position is never that microsoft is unstoppable [05:40] matey but we can make very foolish decisions that help them to borrow time [05:40] schestowitz-TR yes [05:40] matey and the fact that they are not unstoppable will never change that [05:40] schestowitz-TR part of it is a federal issue [05:41] schestowitz-TR bailing firms out [05:41] matey sure theyll use anything they can [05:41] matey governments, armies (defence contracts) hobbyists [05:41] schestowitz-TR while banning huaweui, xiaomi [05:41] matey sure [05:42] schestowitz-TR funny framing: [05:42] schestowitz-TR (maybe worthy for a meme) [05:42] matey they dont benefit from a level playing field, they will always try to stack the deck [05:42] schestowitz-TR troll says: [05:42] schestowitz-TR HEY, FSF, WHY NO SANCTION RUSSIA !!! [05:42] schestowitz-TR But not [05:42] schestowitz-TR Why no sanction Microsoft !! [05:42] matey indeed [05:43] schestowitz-TR same for IBM [05:43] schestowitz-TR FSF bad [05:43] schestowitz-TR Microsoft good [05:43] schestowitz-TR like, WTH??? [05:43] matey i still love free software-- free software is closer to what i do. im a software guy [05:43] schestowitz-TR "ehitcal" source [05:43] matey i support free hardware because ive always lived in the future. even in the 80s [05:43] schestowitz-TR ask them abou mirosofy bribery [05:44] matey we are seeing things now that to me are old friends. [05:44] matey but im not likely to become a hardware guy [05:44] matey so free software is a cause closer to what i care about [05:44] matey you know i was into electronics before computers [05:44] schestowitz-TR well, technically [wait] [05:44] matey but the minute i could code, i stopped caring (MOSTLY) [05:45] matey because software is easier, and i like that [05:45] schestowitz-TR computers were that before they were called that [05:45] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [05:45] schestowitz-TR or rather, engineering [05:45] schestowitz-TR technicians [05:45] schestowitz-TR my grnadpa was "radio technician" [05:45] schestowitz-TR that term is not used anymore [05:45] schestowitz-TR they could repair receivers [05:45] schestowitz-TR and "transistors" [05:45] matey radios needed tto be maintained [05:45] matey they had parts that burned out designed to be replaced [05:45] schestowitz-TR the old name for some radio receivers [05:46] matey troubleshooted (shot?) [05:47] matey it was silly and expensive to replace a radio when all you had to do was change the tube-- as silly as replacing a lamp when the bulb goes out [05:47] schestowitz-TR which happens a lot now [05:47] matey yeah companies like waste if it means profit [05:47] schestowitz-TR there is good literature about the conspiracy to keep bulbs from lasting long [05:48] schestowitz-TR you can still buy some bulks that last 10+ years [05:48] schestowitz-TR they are not cheap [05:48] matey and yet rms knocks people making their own bulbs [05:48] matey recently! [05:48] DaemonFC Free Software can't really sanction anyone. Even proprietary software can have trouble sometimes. [05:48] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: now we have SAAAAAAS!!! [05:48] schestowitz-TR so they can switch things off remoately [05:49] DaemonFC Netscape had an export version with weak crypto, but nothing stopped people from downloading the non-export version. [05:49] matey its hard for free software to condemn anythign when it cant even retain its own values [05:49] DaemonFC Yeah, so....don't use it. [05:49] DaemonFC Why do you need some idiotic program running on Google to edit documents? [05:49] DaemonFC That's crazy. [05:49] schestowitz-TR yeah [05:49] matey because jobs! [05:49] schestowitz-TR "convenience" [05:49] schestowitz-TR (=-laziness) [05:49] schestowitz-TR btw, it's also a waste of b/w [05:49] matey google means jobs! [05:49] schestowitz-TR same for stadia (games) [05:50] schestowitz-TR it's wasting a ton of electricity at the "wires" [05:50] matey not trusting them with your tax forms means people out of work-- the economy would come to standstill [05:50] matey put all your files in the clown before we are all fighting over the last head of cabbage [05:51] schestowitz-TR in the video I made Saturday I mentioned how PCs now have little internal storage [05:51] schestowitz-TR I've said that for many years [05:51] matey meaning the hard drive? [05:51] schestowitz-TR but when searcing for a computer I saw nothing has improved [05:51] DaemonFC About the only proprietary Windows program I use much at all is foobar2000. [05:51] schestowitz-TR 512GB is considered "A LOT!" [05:52] DaemonFC Lately, Wine has improved the look and feel and foobar2000 isn't crashing under certain cases where it used to. [05:52] schestowitz-TR so you end up streaming and "putting it on the clown"\ [05:52] schestowitz-TR which is cheap for those companies [05:52] matey what size is techrights now, with video [05:52] schestowitz-TR but risky to you [05:52] schestowitz-TR they turn PCs into "phones" [05:52] schestowitz-TR with listening devices built in [05:52] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, With the VLC app, you _could_ put Opus files on your Goolag drive and stream them directly from there. [05:52] schestowitz-TR matey: I would need to run du [05:53] schestowitz-TR iirc, about 200gb [05:53] matey okay so you could fit techrights, hypothetically, on 512gb more than once [05:53] schestowitz-TR ok, homedir is 161gb [05:53] matey all 15 years of it [05:53] DaemonFC For $1.99 a month I could get 119 GB of Goolag Drive. [05:53] schestowitz-TR /root is 1.5gb [05:53] DaemonFC Still not worth it. [05:53] DaemonFC I have all kinds of flash memory. [05:54] DaemonFC It doesn't cost $2 a month to use that. [05:54] schestowitz-TR for gemini the whole OS (Debian 11) and IPFS and Gemini and nginx for the proxy is about 7GB [05:54] schestowitz-TR we thought about letting people download a tar with all the gemini stuff [05:55] schestowitz-TR but afaik there's no "native" browser for gemini [05:55] matey schestowitz-TR but the point is you could fit 15 years of techrights on 512gb more than once [05:55] schestowitz-TR it wants you to supply URIs, nor relative locations [05:55] schestowitz-TR a lot of that is videos [05:55] matey 512gb is NOT a lot for video, its true [05:56] matey particularly if you save the original footage [05:56] schestowitz-TR 97gb for the /videos directory, which is not all videos [05:56] schestowitz-TR I keep the original files on 3 external disks [05:56] matey apple has macbooks with 2tb now [05:57] schestowitz-TR but they are the same sans the watermark, intro etc. [05:57] matey which is only 4x 512gb [05:57] schestowitz-TR a bit crisper too, as each pass (there are two) in transcoding degrades things somewhat [05:57] matey i looked up apple because i figure its the sort of laptop for people who know they want to edit lots of video [05:57] matey in a mainstream, problems are solved by buying consumer products sort of context [05:57] schestowitz-TR but wait [05:57] schestowitz-TR the cost [05:58] schestowitz-TR how much the cost of these? [05:58] schestowitz-TR 2k? 3k? [05:58] matey im not saying i consider it practical. i dont. [05:58] schestowitz-TR I got a 1tb machine on saturday [05:58] schestowitz-TR magnetic disk [05:58] schestowitz-TR cost me 205 pounds [05:58] AdmFubar most use windows for video editing at home [05:58] matey sure [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 47.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 107.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 288.80 [05:59] schestowitz-TR fwiw, I never edit videos [05:59] matey because cheaper solutions often become more mainstream [05:59] schestowitz-TR have not tried since 2014 [05:59] schestowitz-TR I edited some rms videos [05:59] matey you do cut them down and resample them at least [05:59] schestowitz-TR cut them into shunks and added things like intro [05:59] matey but thats not "Editing" in the sense of-- sure [05:59] matey its minimalist [05:59] schestowitz-TR video editing is a pain in the bum [05:59] schestowitz-TR it takes ages ● Mar 28 [06:00] schestowitz-TR for techrights videos I never even installed a video editor, ffmpeg does all that procedurally [06:00] matey ive used it the same way [06:00] DaemonFC https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mozilla-MDN-Plus [06:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mozilla-MDN-Plus [06:00] TR Bot Formally Introduces MDN Plus As Its Developer Subscription Service - Phoronix [06:00] matey /me has ffmpeg installed now because mplayer [06:00] schestowitz-TR a 15-min edited gulagtube video can take at LEAST 10 hours to make [06:00] DaemonFC Mozilla Developer Paywall [06:00] schestowitz-TR not so much the footage and separate takes [06:00] schestowitz-TR but the editing [06:01] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: yes, I linked to the original, twice [06:01] schestowitz-TR it's maddening [06:01] matey it depends on the kind of quality you want [06:01] schestowitz-TR and they don't seem to understand people would not pay [06:01] schestowitz-TR same for VPN [06:01] DaemonFC This is after Microsoft and Google gave it bailout money. [06:01] matey some people want their videos to look professional [06:01] schestowitz-TR matey: right, but you know the thing about standards [06:02] schestowitz-TR if you are a perfectionist, you cannot get much done [06:02] schestowitz-TR in irc I'm a typo frenzy [06:02] schestowitz-TR more so in ytalk [06:02] matey i think it would be cooler if fewer people did-- but its a wide range of whats possible (both in terms of production quality and in terms of compromise) [06:02] schestowitz-TR but I read carefully articles [06:02] schestowitz-TR re video, which is the main topic: [06:02] DaemonFC https://www.winehq.org/announce/7.5 [06:02] Alternative link Cloudflare: winehq.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.winehq.org/announce/7.5 [06:02] TR Bot WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 7.5 is now available. [06:02] schestowitz-TR the minor stuff like awkward pauses does not matter in the grand scheme of things [06:03] DaemonFC The HLSL compiler is already in my Wine 7 + Proton because the patches came from Proton. [06:03] DaemonFC Nice to see it upstreamed though. [06:03] schestowitz-TR perfectionism can also suck the life/fun out of things [06:03] matey of course [06:03] schestowitz-TR so you quit doing them due to overhead associated with perfecting them [06:03] DaemonFC This is why Fallout 4 ran like shit on plain Wine, well, one of the reasons. [06:03] schestowitz-TR it's one of the things I HATED about doing my Ph.D. [06:04] schestowitz-TR having to spend months and months "perfecting" the thesus [06:04] DaemonFC The more compatible Wine gets, the less and less reasons there are for anyone to still be using Windows. [06:04] schestowitz-TR I'd rather have written more papers [06:04] schestowitz-TR it's the same with coding [06:04] matey The more compatible Wine gets, the less and less reasons there are for anyone to still be using Windows. <- thats why they need anticheat stuff [06:04] DaemonFC There's getting to be less reasons to use proprietary software in general. Especially recent games which have microtransactions and won't let you play it in single player with no internet connection. [06:04] schestowitz-TR you can spend years perfecting code for performance [06:05] schestowitz-TR and a year later that code is of no use anymore [06:05] DaemonFC Some day few people will use Windows anymore and good compatibility with old programs written for it will still be nice to have. [06:05] DaemonFC They seem to be losing about 4-5% of their desktop users per year now. [06:05] schestowitz-TR like freedos? dosbox? [06:05] matey archive.org has an online emulator for dos games [06:06] matey id rather use dosbox for that [06:06] DaemonFC like freedos? dosbox? [06:06] matey sometimes you can download the game [06:06] schestowitz-TR windows is not "big" by today's terms [06:06] schestowitz-TR like, win98 scale [06:06] DaemonFC Yeah. I think the day will come 15-20 years from now where the last Windows program goes out. [06:06] schestowitz-TR before it became "clown" [06:06] DaemonFC Maybe sooner. [06:06] schestowitz-TR win98 had to run with as little as 16 mb or ram, maybe 32 [06:06] DaemonFC They're mostly just tending to the corpse at this point, with Windows. [06:07] schestowitz-TR emballmering it [06:07] AdmFubar is it dead? well it was coughing up blood last night... [06:07] DaemonFC They keep throwing away money trying to make "Microsoftbooks" that nobody wants because they run like shit and run out of storage immediately. [06:07] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: if you run recent versions of it [06:08] schestowitz-TR I tried at the shop [06:08] schestowitz-TR it is slow [06:08] schestowitz-TR sluggish [06:08] schestowitz-TR ugly [06:08] DaemonFC They don't even take the loss on them. [06:08] schestowitz-TR even uglier than Vista (2006) [06:08] DaemonFC They get moles at other companies to blow themselves up with this. [06:08] DaemonFC Like HP "Stream". [06:08] schestowitz-TR and no special softwarae for it, "Edge" is a joke [06:08] schestowitz-TR you could use chromium on other platforms [06:08] schestowitz-TR so Windows is just some shitbag to run OTHER company's wares [06:08] schestowitz-TR like autocad [06:09] matey you can actually use the environment i learned to code on https://archive.org/details/gwbasic.exe [06:09] TR Bot Programming Language: gwbasic.exe : Microsoft : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive [06:09] DaemonFC Right, Microsoft doesn't gamble with this too much. When they give out "licenses" to failed hardware, they lose nothing when it flops. [06:09] DaemonFC They get other companies to die for them. [06:09] AdmFubar m$'s killer apps are viruses, ransomware, malware, spyware... [06:09] matey granted that gwbasic, i used basica (basica-lly the same thing) [06:09] schestowitz-TR people do not need latest Office AND.... even MICROSOFT steers people towards clown [06:10] matey https://archive.org/details/gwbasic.exe <- runs online in an emulator [06:10] schestowitz-TR so you could just do Gulag Apps/Docs/Work/Suite (whetever they call it today) [06:10] schestowitz-TR or use libreoffice and send it to the prointer [06:10] schestowitz-TR russia invested in libreoffice [06:11] schestowitz-TR like matey said, I think inside threats are the potent ones now [06:11] schestowitz-TR like seeding discord in communities [06:11] schestowitz-TR to crush or slow down Linux developers, GNU devs etc. [06:11] schestowitz-TR lowering morale [06:11] schestowitz-TR Azure was a failure [06:12] schestowitz-TR the goal was to 'replace' AWS [06:12] matey https://ia802601.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/20/items/gwbasic.exe/gwbasic.exe.zip <- here is the actual program that runs on dosbox [06:12] TR Bot Internet Archive: View Archive [06:12] schestowitz-TR not even with bribes did they pull it off [06:12] schestowitz-TR Gulag still loses BILLIONS on its clown stuff [06:12] schestowitz-TR and Gulag fired a lot of stuff that worked on it [06:12] matey of course except for historical purposes, this is pretty useless [06:12] schestowitz-TR Gulag bribed Debian to: [06:12] schestowitz-TR 1) use Gulag Clown [06:12] matey there are free software versions with similar features [06:12] schestowitz-TR 2) surrender socially [06:13] schestowitz-TR GitLab bribes lots of projects [06:13] schestowitz-TR to become case studies (marketing) [06:13] schestowitz-TR 'free' enterprise edition [06:14] schestowitz-TR like aws 'doling out' the 'free' AWS to nonprofits [06:14] schestowitz-TR and now doubling the price [06:14] matey first ones free [06:14] schestowitz-TR yes [06:14] schestowitz-TR aws is lockin [06:14] AdmFubar so it is now twice free? [06:14] schestowitz-TR I can tell you because sometimes I deal with it in my full-time job [06:14] schestowitz-TR then even nonprofits are all stockhold syndrome [06:15] schestowitz-TR and you cannot get them out from the cage [06:15] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: I don't know the pertinent details [06:15] AdmFubar but it is such a pretty gold cage.... [06:15] schestowitz-TR one client is a charity/journalism re Iran [06:15] DaemonFC Sold and shipped by dongguanshisuyingshangmaoyouxiangongsi [06:15] DaemonFC O_O [06:15] schestowitz-TR and they sought 'free' AWS [06:16] schestowitz-TR this year AWS did the bait-switrch carrot-stick thing [06:16] schestowitz-TR Clownflare will do the same [06:16] schestowitz-TR Cloudflare is LOSING money [06:16] matey where did they stick the carrot? [06:16] schestowitz-TR in khumeini [06:18] TR News "Most servers these days have an IPMI, including more or less all of ours. One of the standard IPMI functions is a 'system event log'" https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/IPMIClocksDrift [06:18] Alternative link Cloudflare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/sysadmin/IPMIClocksDrift [06:18] TR Bot Chris's Wiki :: blog/sysadmin/IPMIClocksDrift [06:19] TR News "smart speakers" = microphones that transmit or spy https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-current-trends-part-2 [06:19] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-current-trends-part-2 [06:19] TR Bot Evolution of the Smart Home: Current Trends [Part 2] | Ubuntu [06:20] TR News "Lets take a look back at the journey of smart home technology, uncover some of the trends in this industrys development, and take stock of where we are now." https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1 [06:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-evolution-of-the-smart-home-how-it-started-part-1 [06:20] TR Bot Evolution of the Smart Home: How it Started [Part 1] | Ubuntu [06:21] matey one thing i dont understand about sr.ht is [06:21] matey note there are non-profit-run repos [06:22] matey so sr.ht charges money [06:22] matey then you put your stuff there [06:22] matey then someone gets hit by a bus [06:22] matey their assets go to someone else [06:22] matey sr.ht stops getting paid [06:22] matey then what [06:23] matey maybe they just stop allowing write access and keep it online, i dont know [06:23] TR News "Open source apps offer Android users excellent alternatives to their mainstream competitors." https://www.androidpolice.com/best-free-open-source-apps-for-android/ [06:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: androidpolice.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.androidpolice.com/best-free-open-source-apps-for-android/ [06:23] TR Bot Our favorite open source apps for Android [06:23] TR News Why Does Linux Have So Many Distributions? Linux Distros Explained Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163056 [06:23] TR Bot Why Does Linux Have So Many Distributions? Linux Distros Explained | Tux Machines [06:24] TR News Those who sympathise with Microsoft (ZemlinPAC, OSI etc.) are in effect abetting crime and corruption. https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/microsoft-says-employees-sacked,-partnerships-ended-over-bribery-allegations.html [06:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/microsoft-says-employees-sacked,-partnerships-ended-over-bribery-allegations.html [06:24] TR Bot - Microsoft says employees sacked, partnerships ended over bribery allegations [06:26] matey xWant to host your own projects here? [06:26] matey Projects hosted on sourcehut are expected to pay for their account. Financial aid is available for those in need. You can cancel at any time without losing access to your data. [06:26] matey so that sort of answers it. [06:27] TR News ICBM: genocide for profit https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/ [06:27] Alternative link Cloudflare: besacenter.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://besacenter.org/ibm-holocaust/ [06:27] TR Bot IBM and the Holocaust [06:27] TR News Akin to ethnic cleansing by Putler https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/ukraine-says-moscow-is-forcibly-moving-civilians-to-russia [06:27] TR Bot Ukraine says Moscow is forcibly moving civilians to Russia | PBS NewsHour [06:27] DaemonFC Genocide as a Service [06:27] DaemonFC GaaS [06:28] schestowitz-TR Microsoft NaaS [06:28] schestowitz-TR SaaS: Sureveillance Services [06:28] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/ [06:28] TR Bot Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights [06:28] matey their pricing page is a bit shit [06:28] matey i cant get it to explain the details, it keeps reloading [06:29] matey just put it in a table, its not hard [06:29] matey responsive js fuckery-- at least it says its alpha [06:29] DaemonFC https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/u-s-jobless-claims-hit-lowest-level-in-over-50-years [06:29] TR Bot U.S. jobless claims hit lowest level in over 50 years | PBS NewsHour [06:29] DaemonFC PBS Bullshit as a Service [06:29] DaemonFC Funded by viewers like Bill [06:29] TR News Same old shit in "HEY HI" clothing https://www.forbes.com/sites/robtoews/2022/03/27/a-wave-of-billion-dollar-language-ai-startups-is-coming/ [06:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/robtoews/2022/03/27/a-wave-of-billion-dollar-language-ai-startups-is-coming/ [06:29] TR Bot A Wave Of Billion-Dollar Language AI Startups Is Coming [06:29] matey practically bills station [06:30] matey formerly "practically british station" [06:30] DaemonFC "Jobless claims fell by 28,000 to 187,000 for the week ending March 19, the lowest since September of 1969, the Labor Department reported Thursday. First-time applications for jobless aid generally track the pace of layoffs." [06:30] matey they used to run upstairs downstairs [06:30] DaemonFC It's amazing how that can happen when the Labor Force Participation Rate is the lowest ever. [06:30] matey monty python too [06:30] matey before bbc america [06:31] TR News Hitler did the same to Germany (e.g. Godel) https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1653111/tech-talent-fleeing-russia-for-lithuania-opportunity-or-security-risk [06:31] TR Bot Tech talent fleeing Russia for Lithuania opportunity or security risk? - LRT [06:31] DaemonFC schestowitz, The Catholic Church cut mom down to part time and they're threatening to fire people to get their budget crisis under control. [06:31] matey also owned by bill [06:31] matey hes not even fucking british [06:31] DaemonFC I told her to talk to the unemployment office. They told her they don't help people file unemployment in Indiana anymore. [06:31] DaemonFC You have to call a 1-800 number. [06:31] TR News "Europe's antitrust chief Margrethe Vestager won backing on Thursday from European Union members and EU lawmakers for her proposal" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/new-eu-rules-regulating-u-s-tech-giants-likely-to-set-global-standard/90457821 [06:31] TR Bot meta: New EU rules regulating U.S. tech giants likely to set global standard, CIO News, ET CIO [06:31] DaemonFC She thought it was funny to "own the libs" or whatever. [06:32] DaemonFC You can still file an unemployment claim in person in Illinois if you have to. [06:32] schestowitz-TR [06:26] Projects hosted on sourcehut are expected to pay for their account. Financial aid is available for those in need. You can cancel at any time without losing access to your data. [06:32] schestowitz-TR until they shut down the site [06:32] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@up8i4jsfapvuu.irc) has joined #techrights [06:32] schestowitz-TR like joindiaspora did [06:32] DaemonFC "The Federal Reserve launched a high-risk effort last week to tame the worst inflation since the early 1980s, raising its benchmark short-term interest rate and signaling up to six additional rate hikes this year." [06:32] DaemonFC Which doesn't mean shit for working people. [06:33] DaemonFC Just slightly raises the cost of taking on debt for share buybacks. Free money is, well, cheap money. [06:33] schestowitz-TR [06:30] It's amazing how that can happen when the Labor Force Participation Rate is the lowest ever. [06:33] DaemonFC So there's little downside for MICROS~1 and crApple and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLAG too. [06:33] schestowitz-TR yes, AND [06:33] schestowitz-TR women are now working too [06:33] schestowitz-TR so salaries were lowered [06:33] schestowitz-TR and to keep a home with 3 kids you need TWO workers [06:34] DaemonFC Feminists, everybody! [06:34] schestowitz-TR for the same salary level [06:34] schestowitz-TR Labor Force Participation is what they distract from [06:34] DaemonFC If they had stayed home and taken care of the house and kids, this never would have happened. [06:34] matey so now i understand the pricing plans of sr.ht [06:34] schestowitz-TR COVID-19 lasted long enough for people to no longer count as "pursuing employment" [06:34] matey basically you pay $2 if that fits what you think is your level of usage (its an honour system) [06:34] matey you pay 5 for medium level [06:34] matey and 10 for top level [06:34] schestowitz-TR the letters they send out are fruitless, unless they want to clean toilets (that too is being assigned to undocumented workers, paid less and more docile) [06:35] matey they all have the same features. [06:35] DaemonFC Feminism is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. [06:35] matey Feminism is the worst thing to ever happen to this country. <- nope [06:36] DaemonFC A lot of people don't think women are capable of fucking shit up. [06:36] DaemonFC Check out Mozilla. [06:36] matey just like religion is harmless without fundamentalism, feminism is harmless without opportunism and ultra-leftism [06:36] DaemonFC Even the Klan eventually went away. [06:36] DaemonFC So the feminists are worse than the Klan. [06:36] matey opportunism and ultra-leftism are the real problem. feminism is just the horse they ride in on. [06:37] DaemonFC Feminism and globalization really fucked shit up. [06:37] schestowitz-TR it's not a "Feminism" problem [06:37] schestowitz-TR it's a capitalism problem [06:37] schestowitz-TR and how capitalists distorted it [06:37] schestowitz-TR like they do everything [06:37] schestowitz-TR Feminism is good [06:37] schestowitz-TR exploiting women is not [06:38] schestowitz-TR like I said in yesterday's long video [06:38] DaemonFC Feminism is part of what enabled the jobs shortage and the salary cuts. [06:38] schestowitz-TR now they use "Feminism" as a schtick to get more patents [06:38] schestowitz-TR more lawsuits [06:38] schestowitz-TR more chaos [06:38] DaemonFC Backstabbing like NAFTA did the rest. [06:38] schestowitz-TR and you end up now with things like onlyfans [06:38] matey nafta should have been called the american union [06:39] schestowitz-TR and similar shit [06:39] schestowitz-TR or people who sell their body instead of paying rent [06:39] DaemonFC "OnlyFans" [06:39] schestowitz-TR or young girls becoming "plane bros" ofm Jeff and Bill [06:39] matey it extended all the way to central america (but not at the same time) [06:39] schestowitz-TR From the Bill and Lolita Gates Foundation [06:39] matey cafta was separate from nafta [06:39] DaemonFC Yes, OnlyFans is what young people are turning to because it pays better than fucking McDonalds. [06:40] DaemonFC Especially since there's no need to buy a car and burn gas. [06:40] matey but only legally, not geographically (it was still an agreement with the usa) [06:40] TR News "Although exceedingly rare, some public libraries in Utah have also noticed an increase in book challenges" https://www.ksl.com/article/50375904/schools-have-become-the-latest-culture-war-battleground-are-public-libraries-next [06:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: ksl.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ksl.com/article/50375904/schools-have-become-the-latest-culture-war-battleground-are-public-libraries-next [06:40] TR Bot have become the latest culture war battleground. Are public libraries next? | KSL.com [06:40] matey /me thinks someone at mcdonalds should start an onlyfans [06:40] TR News "Alec Muffet, an ex-Facebook developer who is responsible for writing code that has enabled major websites such as Facebook" https://inews.co.uk/news/technology/bbc-dark-web-russia-censorship-putin-1534974 [06:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: inews.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://inews.co.uk/news/technology/bbc-dark-web-russia-censorship-putin-1534974 [06:41] TR Bot BBC turns to dark web and shortwave radio to bring outside news to Russian people amid wartime crackdown [06:41] *schestowitz-TR does not know how onlyfans work, never saw it [06:41] matey /me is only vaguely familiar [06:41] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: is there something inherently there about selling sex? [06:42] schestowitz-TR or is it just being relegated to that? [06:42] matey probably both [06:42] matey /me checks if webcomics use it [06:42] schestowitz-TR from what I understand, I only read some articles, it is a site [06:42] schestowitz-TR maybe also an "app" [06:43] matey OnlyFans is an internet content subscription service based in London. <- haha [06:43] schestowitz-TR and some people upload "racy" things there [06:43] matey i dont think its only about adult content [06:43] schestowitz-TR and get paid for it [06:43] matey for example there are youtubers who offer racier content on onlyfans [06:43] schestowitz-TR the media seems to only mention it in relation to "adult content" [06:43] matey but i dont think thats the entire model (in other words its not just "go to my onlyfans to see my without my top") [06:44] schestowitz-TR so has it become like soft porn/erotica site? [06:44] matey no [06:44] schestowitz-TR like a shadow youtube but midway to porntube? [06:44] matey no [06:44] matey heres a non-racy usage: you subscribe to a youtube channel [06:44] matey it would have to be a really amazing channel [06:45] matey hten you go to onlyfans and supporters get access to "making of" videos [06:45] matey and everyone is entirely clothed [06:45] matey so basically similar to patreon [06:45] TR News "Since the Talibans blitz takeover of Afghanistan six months ago, the songs have gone silent in the historic musicians quarter of Kabul." https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2022/03/24/2003775385 [06:45] TR Bot Afghan capitals historic musicians quarter turns silent - Taipei Times [06:45] matey but since they allow age-restricted content, you could in theory see the entire cast running around nude [06:45] matey it depends what their goals are [06:46] matey id compare it to reddit before porntube [06:46] schestowitz-TR my dad is very upset about those things [06:46] matey since reddit had loads of nude / naughty stuff but also just pages of crap about "linux" [06:46] schestowitz-TR he says, now people use "apps" for sex [06:46] schestowitz-TR he explains that "back in his days" [06:46] matey they made the same argument against cars [06:46] schestowitz-TR people would date many times before even kissing [06:46] schestowitz-TR let alone sex [06:47] matey when motorcars started to become mainstream [06:47] schestowitz-TR now people get "apps" and just hook up like it's a virtual brothel [06:47] matey people said they would become "houses of prostitution on wheels" [06:47] matey because its like your own little hotel you can just drive and park anywhere [06:47] matey and indeed, people use cars that way. [06:47] schestowitz-TR but waiut [06:47] schestowitz-TR the equiv here would be blaming "the internet" [06:47] schestowitz-TR or "phones" [06:47] matey sure [06:48] DaemonFC or is it just being relegated to that? [06:48] matey the internet is for porn-- theres even a song [06:48] schestowitz-TR what we talk of now is a particular site/platform [06:48] schestowitz-TR or "sex-finding apps" [06:48] DaemonFC Well, when you say OnlyFans, everyone knows you mean porn. [06:48] DaemonFC So when they said they were going to get rid of porn, then reversed themselves, it led to confusion. [06:48] matey the mighty forbes! https://www.forbes.com/sites/julieruvolo/2011/05/20/the-internet-is-for-porn-so-lets-talk-about-it/ [06:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/julieruvolo/2011/05/20/the-internet-is-for-porn-so-lets-talk-about-it/ [06:48] TR Bot The Internet Is For Porn (So Let's Talk About It) [06:48] schestowitz-TR the internet should NOT be for pr0n [06:49] matey (yes im actually that julian whatever his name is from forbes. also i run theverge, surprise) [06:49] schestowitz-TR internet is for surveillance [06:49] schestowitz-TR pr0n should be offline [06:49] matey the problem with offline porn is the pages are all stuck together [06:49] schestowitz-TR now you have people going to sex shops (never bought nothing in such stores...) and pay with apps and cards [06:49] matey but seriously, people enjoy producing their own, so thats online [06:49] DaemonFC he says, now people use "apps" for sex [06:50] matey even on reddit [06:50] DaemonFC I was probably one of the first Grindr users. [06:50] DaemonFC In 2009. [06:50] schestowitz-TR Stephen Fry-approved [06:50] DaemonFC But back to about 2001, I met people from various places on the web. [06:50] DaemonFC Yahoo was a good place to go looking. [06:50] matey grindr is definitely the sort of thing where youd want to be one of the early users [06:50] DaemonFC There were chatrooms. [06:50] matey not a late adopter wo doesnt know where its been [06:51] DaemonFC One was called Indiana M4M. [06:51] schestowitz-TR I never had sex with someone I met online [06:51] DaemonFC People would literally just say like "19 M Muncie". [06:51] DaemonFC Then if someone was nearby, then they might private message you. [06:51] matey "you had me at '19 m'" [06:52] DaemonFC I guess I was just lucky that nothing really bad ever happened. [06:52] DaemonFC There are a lot of weirdos out there. [06:52] matey its funny, i feel the same way about sex apps as your dad, for completely the opposite reason [06:52] matey it doesnt bother me that people use them for sex [06:52] matey it bothers me that google is involved! [06:52] schestowitz-TR his concern goes further than this [06:53] DaemonFC Oh there's a lot more than Goolag involved with Grindr. [06:53] schestowitz-TR never mind STDs and moral issues [06:53] matey ive met people online, but ive never used an app for it [06:53] DaemonFC It has a million trackers. [06:53] matey because if i need to buy a smartphone to get laid theres something wrong with the world [06:53] matey i dont need google in my love live [06:53] schestowitz-TR no, let's look at this differnetly [06:53] schestowitz-TR if you can "know" a person based on something on a screen [06:53] DaemonFC My batting average for that was about 0.5% on the STI front but it was easily dealt with. [06:53] schestowitz-TR more so a tiny little phone [06:53] DaemonFC When I was 19. [06:54] matey google! set me up with a hot date [06:54] schestowitz-TR then you are wasting your time [06:54] DaemonFC Out of a couple hundred, I guess that's not as bad as what could have happened. [06:54] matey people have started marriages and families based solely on pen and paper [06:54] matey the idea that a screen cant convey that is hooey [06:54] schestowitz-TR right, but those can be the exception [06:55] matey more often the screen is just a gateway to meeting people in person [06:55] matey its not like the marriage is officiated by an app (yet anyway) [06:55] schestowitz-TR in the 1990s if you married something you met "online" it was a "big deal" [06:55] DaemonFC Many of the people from apps don't want to trade names. [06:55] matey right but thats sketchy sex with strangers [06:55] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:56] matey and its not like i think it should be illegal, i just dont relate to it [06:56] matey ive lived in some VERY predominantly gay places [06:56] matey i get it. [06:56] matey there was a place down the street for that sort of thing [06:56] DaemonFC Logan's Run predicted Grindr. [06:56] schestowitz-TR some people want sex so badly [06:57] matey and im not trying to pin it just on gays, these days its increasinly popular [06:57] schestowitz-TR maybe media contributes to that [06:57] DaemonFC Remember him getting on that thing that showed you people wanting sex and it would beam them to your apartment? [06:57] matey among every demographic [06:57] matey /me never saw logans run either [06:57] DaemonFC It was pretty good as a cult scifi movie from the 70s. [06:57] matey yeah ive seen a clip or two [06:57] matey but i dont think that counts [06:58] matey i thought they made it into a television series [06:59] TR News "Russian armed forces have been bullying and threatening journalists and local media" https://rsf.org/en/news/russians-use-abduction-hostage-taking-threaten-ukrainian-journalists-occupied-zones [06:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: rsf.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://rsf.org/en/news/russians-use-abduction-hostage-taking-threaten-ukrainian-journalists-occupied-zones [06:59] TR Bot Russians use abduction, hostage-taking to threaten Ukrainian journalists in occupied zones | RSF [06:59] TR News "During his career spanning over half a century, Engin worked for and managed several newspapers and magazines." https://bianet.org/english/media/259579-prominent-journalist-aydin-engin-passes-away-at-81 [06:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: bianet.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://bianet.org/english/media/259579-prominent-journalist-aydin-engin-passes-away-at-81 [06:59] TR Bot Prominent journalist Aydn Engin passes away at 81 - english ● Mar 28 [07:01] AdmFubar it was a series [07:01] TR News "When I was working at AWS, around 2017 we started getting excited pitches from companies who wanted to be part of the 5G build-out, saying that obviously thered be lots of opportunities for public-cloud providers. But I never walked away convinced." https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/03/26/Is-5G-BS [07:01] TR Bot ongoing by Tim Bray 5G Skeptic [07:03] matey bad news for sr.ht "After eight weeks, your case will be manually reviewed. We may choose to provide you with a complete export of your data and close your account. Note that this data export can be re-imported into sr.ht again should you choose to register for another account, or can be taken to a third-party instance, with little to no information loss." [07:03] DaemonFC i thought they made it into a television series [07:03] matey so they actually will remove repos for non-payment [07:03] DaemonFC One season and cancelled. [07:03] matey but only after the alpha [07:04] TR News Microsoft is crime. Synonyms. Microsoft? CRIME. "Qatars Ministry of Education was paying $9.5 million annually over seven years for Microsoft Office and Windows licenses that they couldn't use because they didn't even have computers" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-260322.html#tMar%2026%2020:53:37 [07:04] TR Bot IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, March 26, 2022 [07:04] matey i think this is a bad idea. they should continue to host, and just remove write access to everyone. [07:04] DaemonFC "Your data can be regained, more or less." -Clown Hosting [07:04] matey then theyre a solid reliable repo, and theres PLENTY of incentive for people to keep funding it [07:05] schestowitz-TR there's a saying [07:05] schestowitz-TR like, "take care of yourself" [07:05] schestowitz-TR "nobody will take care of you' [07:05] schestowitz-TR that is more so applicable with "clown" [07:05] matey trying to make the internet into a library isnt a stupid idea [07:05] schestowitz-TR did Lukas keep running JoinDiaspora? No. He's not our sysadmin care giver [07:05] schestowitz-TR he no longer gavea shit and I cannot blame it [07:06] schestowitz-TR he was basically like a volunteer acting as a host for about 600 active users [07:06] matey he should have just archived it [07:06] matey it was possible to do without keeping the site online [07:06] schestowitz-TR some people mentioned that [07:06] schestowitz-TR the counterpoint was [07:06] matey there are archivists who specialise in this [07:07] schestowitz-TR it's a problem for legal reasons [07:07] matey yeah copyright [07:07] schestowitz-TR like account deletion and takedown requests [07:07] matey i complained a decade ago that they should have cc licenses on posts (as an option) [07:07] matey so that at least they could archive whatever was cc licensed [07:07] matey but noooooooooo [07:08] TR News Nebraska Rep. Fortenberry says he will resign following conviction for lying to FBI https://text.npr.org/1089034831 Source: BillPR [07:08] matey the problem with forward thinking is you have to wait for everyone else to catch up [07:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1089034831 [07:08] TR Bot Nebraska Rep. Fortenberry says he will resign following conviction for lying to FBI [07:08] matey and then join diaspora cant be archived [07:08] matey well i think i actually told them so [07:08] TR News old: microsoft windows tco https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https://www.iltalehti.fi/talous/a/200808070094136 [07:08] TR Bot Sampo Pankki menettnyt kymmeni tuhansia asiakkaita [07:08] matey maybe rms can explain how fair use helps here [07:08] matey wait, it fucking doesnt, its useless [07:09] matey though to be fair, this is one situation where even no-derivs would be better than nothing [07:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [07:10] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 12.33 average k/sec., average swarm size 310.33 [07:11] TR News The Real Cost of a Magical Education https://reason.com/2022/03/26/the-real-cost-of-a-magical-education/ Source: reason [07:11] TR Bot The Real Cost of a Magical Education [07:11] matey funnily enough the first time i was quoted in techrights was more than 10 years ago [07:14] TR News Blogging at 112 http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-270322.html#tMar%2027%2020:52:40 https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&u=https://svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10014592 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagny_Carlsson [07:14] TR Bot IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Sunday, March 27, 2022 [07:14] TR Bot SVT: Sveriges ldsta bloggare Dagny Carlsson r dd Utrikes svenska.yle.fi [07:14] TR Bot Dagny Carlsson - Wikipedia [07:14] schestowitz-TR matey: under what name was it? [07:14] schestowitz-TR or the context? [07:14] schestowitz-TR i saw the wordpress.com blog no sooner than maybe 2016 [07:16] TR News Trump may need to look up the definition of "smart" | Salon.com https://www.salon.com/2022/03/27/may-need-to-look-up-the-definition-of-smart/ Source: salon [07:16] Alternative link Cloudflare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/03/27/may-need-to-look-up-the-definition-of-smart/ [07:16] TR Bot may need to look up the definition of "smart" | Salon.com [07:17] matey matey: under what name was it? <- ive shown the quote to other people [07:17] TR News "In the first six months of 2021, YouTube processed four million automated Content ID claims every day but sometimes the involvement of a human being is the only way to tackle copyright disputes." https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-needs-a-copyright-specialist-to-handle-high-risk-takedowns-220327/ [07:17] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/youtube-needs-a-copyright-specialist-to-handle-high-risk-takedowns-220327/ [07:17] TR Bot Needs a Copyright Specialist To Handle 'High-Risk' Takedowns * TorrentFreak [07:17] matey you might be able to find it [07:18] matey without joindiaspora being up anymore, its unlikely to be possible it was me anyway [07:18] matey to prove [07:18] matey nonetheless, i was there [07:19] matey the context was free software related of course [07:19] matey yes thats vague [07:20] matey then i stopped paying attention for while, got distracted with other things (like debian) [07:20] matey (before systemd) [07:21] matey started giving away computers with debian on them [07:21] TR News They'd kill people before they let this pass https://truthout.org/articles/billionaires-would-pay-nearly-100-times-more-in-taxes-under-new-biden-proposal/ [07:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/billionaires-would-pay-nearly-100-times-more-in-taxes-under-new-biden-proposal/ [07:21] TR Bot Billionaires Would Pay Nearly 100 Times More in Taxes Under New Biden Proposal [07:21] matey running several debian machines at a nonprofit [07:22] matey id login from my smartphone and run updates using aptitude over ssh [07:22] TR News Lack of money? Yes. The military wants MOAR. 330,000,000 USians are 'collaterals' https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/770-billion-military-poisoned-water-military-families [07:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/770-billion-military-poisoned-water-military-families [07:22] TR Bot Opinion | $770 Billion For the MilitaryPoisoned Water for Military Families | Liz Walters [07:23] matey over the wifi (no open ports on the router) [07:24] TR News A million deaths later the regimes stopped caring about lives https://truthout.org/articles/the-pandemic-isnt-over-yet-but-congress-is-willing-to-gamble-that-it-is/ [07:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/the-pandemic-isnt-over-yet-but-congress-is-willing-to-gamble-that-it-is/ [07:24] TR Bot The Pandemic Isnt Over Yet, But Congress Is Willing to Gamble That It Is [07:24] matey people would be using the machines for web access while updates were running [07:25] matey the machines shut themselves off after hours so no one had to shut them down [07:25] schestowitz-TR debian is still the root of so many distros [07:26] schestowitz-TR and it's so poor [07:26] schestowitz-TR SPI [07:26] schestowitz-TR very cheap to bribe and disrupt [07:26] matey its always the people at the top to blame [07:26] matey and the people underneath who do so little about it [07:26] *DaemonFC has quit (connection closed) [07:26] matey but its the people who did the bribing and who took the bribes first [07:27] matey only after that do i blame other people for doing nothing [07:27] TR News "Pinball machines are large, complex, and heavy boxes of joy and delight. However, when you dont have the money or space for one, you have to make your own mini Raspberry Pi-powered one" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/27/tiny-pinball-is-as-cute-as-pi/ [07:27] TR Bot Pinball Is As Cute As Pi | Hackaday [07:27] matey and doing anything takes a long time [07:27] matey so i understand that too [07:27] matey but people make the dumbest excuses sometimes [07:27] matey like its one thing when you dont know [07:28] matey its another when you know, and-- just think of anything to justify doing nothing [07:28] matey people always make excuses at first, thats a given [07:28] matey so its really just the ongoing pattern of excuses i find really stupid [07:29] matey sort of like dane cook says a girl wont break up with an arsehole bf because "its not that simple, he still has my cds in his truck" [07:30] matey but then thats stockholm syndrome [07:30] matey so you forgive people for that because its human and they cant help it [07:31] matey and whats leftover after all these exceptions are the opportunists, liars and people who arent DIRECTLY responsible, but are just as bad as the ones who are [07:31] matey the people who just want to be on the side thats "winning" [07:31] matey the people who only care if it helps them win an argument [07:31] matey in other words, dicks [07:32] matey and as microsoft demonstrates, dicks (not just men, women can be dicks too) are a huge part of the tech industry [07:32] matey any industry really [07:33] matey dicks ruined debian, theyll get gnu too [07:34] matey not enough people to defend it [07:34] matey there are, oddly enough, enough people to rebuild it. seems illogical. [07:34] matey but thats how motivation works. [07:35] TR News Generating Composite Video On ESP32 With LVGL GUI https://hackaday.com/2022/03/27/generating-composite-video-on-esp32-with-lvgl-gui/ [07:35] TR Bot Composite Video On ESP32 With LVGL GUI | Hackaday [07:35] matey people arent motivated to help the fsf fix what they allowed to be taken over [07:35] matey why? just to have the fsf allow it to be taken over again? [07:35] matey theres no motivation there [07:37] matey mozilla is a more extreme example [07:37] matey the only way to fix mozilla is to fork it or build an alternative [07:37] matey gemini counts imo (its not THE alternative but its a damned good one) [07:38] matey something monolithic like mozilla can be replaced with a handful of partial alternatives-- you want it to be partial anyway [07:38] matey if it doesnt include pocket or drm thats an upgrade [07:44] *matey has quit (connection closed) [07:46] *schestowitz-TR back on desk [07:46] schestowitz-TR librewolf is ok [07:47] TR News "One million US deaths from COVID-19. Catatonic politics on climate change. Communities suffocating from environmental injustice." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/grim-consequences-sidelining-science-nearly-one-million-us-covid-deaths-and-climate [07:47] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/grim-consequences-sidelining-science-nearly-one-million-us-covid-deaths-and-climate [07:47] TR Bot Opinion | The Grim Consequences of Sidelining Science: Nearly One Million US Covid Deaths and the Climate Crisis | Derrick Z. Jackson [07:48] TR News "Climate change is sad. It's frightening. It's demoralizing." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/we-battle-ongoing-climate-crisis-we-must-address-mental-health-crisis-its-causing [07:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/we-battle-ongoing-climate-crisis-we-must-address-mental-health-crisis-its-causing [07:48] TR Bot Opinion | As We Battle the Ongoing Climate Crisis, We Must Address the Mental Health Crisis Its Causing Too | David Suzuki [07:49] TR News "This minimum tax would make sure that the wealthiest Americans no longer pay a tax rate lower than teachers and firefighters." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/27/biden-tax-plan-would-force-top-10-billionaires-alone-pay-215-billion-over-next [07:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/27/biden-tax-plan-would-force-top-10-billionaires-alone-pay-215-billion-over-next [07:49] TR Bot Biden Tax Plan Would Force Top 10 Billionaires Alone to Pay $215 Billion Over Next Decade [07:50] TR News "after the demise of political figures, their troubling histories are whitewashed in the name of respecting their memories" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/im-iraqi-and-i-remember-madeleine-albright-who-she-truly-was [07:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/im-iraqi-and-i-remember-madeleine-albright-who-she-truly-was [07:50] TR Bot Opinion | I'm an Iraqi and I Remember Madeleine Albright for Who She Truly Was | Ahmed Twaij [07:51] *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:53] *GNUmoon has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [07:54] TR News "Democratic (and Republican) Senators found no time to tap into Judge Jacksons knowledge and analysis of the grave issues regarding the nexus of the power of giant corporations and the Constitution." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/amid-disgraceful-questions-judge-jackson-not-one-about-corporate-power [07:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/27/amid-disgraceful-questions-judge-jackson-not-one-about-corporate-power [07:54] TR Bot Opinion | Amid Disgraceful Questions for Judge Jackson Not One About Corporate Power | Ralph Nader [07:55] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [07:58] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 49.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 312.91 ● Mar 28 [08:04] TR News Links 28/03/2022: Slax 11.3 and Another New Red Hat Manager (From Cisco) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/slax-11-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/slax-11-3/ [08:04] TR Bot Links 28/03/2022: Slax 11.3 and Another New Red Hat Manager (From Cisco) | Techrights [08:09] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163058 [08:09] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [08:09] TR News 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: March 27th, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163059 [08:09] TR Bot 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: March 27th, 2022 | Tux Machines [08:10] TR News Open Hardware/Modding/Programming Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163057 [08:10] TR Bot Open Hardware/Modding/Programming | Tux Machines [08:15] TR News What the FORK is this??? "In case you missed EFF's Tweet"... in the NOTIFICATIONS bar in Twitter. So now they're spamming even the NOTIFICATIONS area, not just with ads (usually limited to searches etc.) but "promoted" shite. Twitter needs to die already. It is a propaganda engine. [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 47.70 average k/sec., average swarm size 297.71 ● Mar 28 [09:04] *inky_ (~inky@5.77.146.11) has joined #techrights [09:07] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [09:25] *eye (~b9dc66fc@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [09:26] schestowitz-TR hi, eye [09:27] eye hi [09:27] eye eye [09:27] schestowitz-TR ii [09:28] eye what you up to? [09:28] SomeH4x0r KiwiIRC clownflare :( [09:29] SomeH4x0r the Internet will be ruined and I won't be able to be happy anymore ever [09:30] eye should i use mibbit instead? [09:30] SomeH4x0r a proper IRC client, not web gateway [09:31] SomeH4x0r Mibbit isn't behind clownflare afaik though [09:31] SomeH4x0r but it has ads and maybe other shit [09:33] *darwin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [09:34] eye is libera irc using clownflare? [09:34] eye freenode ? [09:34] SomeH4x0r IRC protocol is not affected. HTTP is [09:35] SomeH4x0r new freenode website is affected. Libera.Chat isn't afaik. [09:35] eye cause of doss [09:35] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163060 [09:35] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [09:35] SomeH4x0r "abuse" is a fake excuse to restrict people [09:36] SomeH4x0r DDoS attacks are not persistent, they happen once a while [09:39] eye thats i see on some sites [09:45] *SkywaveC3 (~SkywaveC3@xmprj62zv9sgk.irc) has joined #techrights [09:45] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) ● Mar 28 [10:14] *inky_ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:45] *SomeH4x0r has quit (connection closed) [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 26.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 310.36 ● Mar 28 [11:18] *eye has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [11:34] *wallacer has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:38] *wallacer (~quassel@6bsu33ajs4zs4.irc) has joined #techrights [11:55] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.114.138) has joined #techrights [11:59] *bnchs (~bnchs@iz5z6vz2495by.irc) has joined #techrights [11:59] bnchs how do you destroy a software company [11:59] bnchs hire tons of low-salary indians ● Mar 28 [12:29] psydruid like IBM or Microsoft? [12:41] *matey (~matey@bz9un5ncrcddg.irc) has joined #techrights [12:49] matey https://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ [12:49] TR Bot GNUMP3d [GNU MP3/Media Streamer] - About GNUMP3d - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation(FSF) [12:50] matey obviously this is a gnu developed and cares about free software and liberating users [12:50] matey developer ^ [12:51] matey if you go to his github profile, updated just yesterday, you can see hes in this for the users: [12:51] matey "I believe in the value of Open Source software, and run Linux upon all the systems I control." [12:51] matey great! [12:52] matey of course you might think im trying to single out or pick on poor steve. its not about steve at all. [12:52] matey this is about the reality of gnu. ive heard its a cult! [12:52] matey and my answer to that is "yes, its a cult of corporate takeover" [12:53] matey you cant expect every gnu developer to be "ideologically pure" and really, its just as well that they DONT take oaths, etc. (although libreplanet demands you do-- and then they open sourcify everything and call it "free software") [12:53] matey but if youre looking for the gnu developers who actually stand for anything, well [12:54] matey steve isnt the droid we are looking for. [12:54] matey the point isnt steve-- the point is, where are these brave people who the fsf says are "fighting for our freedom" [12:54] matey i dont know, maybe steve knows. perhaps hes talked to one of them. after all, hes a gnu developer. [12:55] matey i consider leah a gnu developer incidentally. i mean thats not officially true anymore (perhaps on either side of it-- i think even leah would dispute it) [12:55] matey but at any rate, leah WAS a gnu developer, and still holds some values i consider-- well, liberating [12:55] matey THATS a gnu developer [12:56] matey kingoffrance could (rightly so) just pull out something about "scotsmen" and be done with it [12:56] matey for whatever reason, i still think theres a point to be made here. one that people can understand. [12:56] matey i know it will become clearer over time, as it has for the past 7 years. [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 311.86 [12:59] TR News The Latest Engagement Spam From Twitter (ICYMI SPAM): Putting Junk in the Notifications Area, Too | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/spam-in-the-notifications-bar-in-twitter/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/spam-in-the-notifications-bar-in-twitter/ [12:59] matey im not looking for a group of gnu developers to throw stones at for not being "gnu enough" though its easy enough to see it that way [12:59] TR Bot The Latest Engagement Spam From Twitter (ICYMI SPAM): Putting Junk in the Notifications Area, Too | Techrights [12:59] matey im looking for the ones that actually stand for something. ● Mar 28 [13:00] matey since theyre not easy to spot (ive even checked the pro-rms list for them, and talked to some of those) its simply a process of elimination [13:00] matey at this point gnu might be more fiction than fact. but i believe it was real (by default) at one point. [13:01] schestowitz-TR GNU is a brand [13:01] matey it started to crumble 7 years ago at the latest. before that, im not sure-- ive certainly tried to figure out if it did before that (like in 2011) [13:01] schestowitz-TR but it stands for uncompromising [13:01] matey no, gnu isnt even a brand anymore [13:01] schestowitz-TR and rather simple, not vendor lockin [13:02] schestowitz-TR it has also been around for very [13:02] schestowitz-TR very, long [13:02] schestowitz-TR so you're assume it's safe to put that in your pipeline [13:02] matey this is more about whether the code is safe [13:02] matey but for example, part of gnu wget is developed on github [13:02] schestowitz-TR its diretion [13:02] schestowitz-TR compare wordpress [13:02] schestowitz-TR to mediagoblin [13:02] matey the direction is bad [13:03] schestowitz-TR wordpress adopts tons of JS [13:03] matey the direction of the web is bad [13:03] matey the direction of wordpress is useless bloat [13:03] schestowitz-TR and it's not run by "UX" hyipsters [13:03] matey exactly [13:03] matey theyre not doing this for the users, the users are complaining bitterly-- users who were happy for years (decades) [13:04] schestowitz-TR btw [13:04] matey theyre chasing fads [13:04] schestowitz-TR with guternberg in wordpress [13:04] schestowitz-TR I heard the original interface lead resigned [13:04] schestowitz-TR wasn't happy with what they had done [13:04] matey i would have done the same [13:04] schestowitz-TR that's principles [13:04] matey resigning isnt always the best option, but when you try to save something and its not working, leaving is a valid option [13:05] schestowitz-TR the systemdfree blog was very unhappy with wordpress.com imposing this UI [13:05] schestowitz-TR yet keeps on the same platform for now [13:05] schestowitz-TR it's not even compatible with many browsers [13:05] matey yeah hes been complaining for years [13:05] schestowitz-TR yet outsourcing the blog [13:05] schestowitz-TR to a company [13:05] matey he did some useful research on things like dbus [13:05] schestowitz-TR that controls also the domain [13:05] schestowitz-TR he didn't get his own domain [13:06] matey sure but wordpress.COM users are guinea pigs for new bullshit [13:06] matey and he knows that [13:06] schestowitz-TR so if they shut down the web site or suspend his account, it's back to square one [13:06] schestowitz-TR wordpress.com and blogspot.com allow you to have your own domain [13:06] matey sure [13:06] schestowitz-TR I was one of the first users and a tester there [13:06] schestowitz-TR maybe first 10 users [13:07] schestowitz-TR emailed matt personally to set me up a test account [13:07] matey the ((?)) in wordpress reminded me so much of the infamous cashew in kde 4 [13:07] matey it was even more annoying [13:07] matey i was certainly there before ((?)) was added [13:08] matey depending on screen resolution you had to scroll around it just to use wp for reading a blog [13:08] matey just for reading it [13:08] matey so paragraph wise it could technically waste an entire inch of reading area [13:08] schestowitz-TR you had a blog there too [13:08] schestowitz-TR iirc, before guterberg [13:08] schestowitz-TR I cannot stand the sight of that GUI [13:08] matey its puke [13:09] schestowitz-TR iirc, it force you to do title first [13:09] schestowitz-TR writers choose title LAST [13:09] schestowitz-TR not first [13:09] schestowitz-TR it's a dictator's UI [13:09] schestowitz-TR trying to tell me how to type, where, when [13:09] matey its tehe systemdickification of wordpress [13:09] matey which again, kde did before debian did [13:10] matey no one cared about systemd before it became mandatory (except mincer) [13:10] schestowitz-TR i write my blog posts in kate (used write until 2005), inserting it into the old UI is OK, quite fast, [13:10] matey (because hes fucking smart) [13:10] matey kates not a bad editor [13:11] matey if it wasnt kde-based im sure i would say it was quality [13:11] schestowitz-TR it's great even [13:11] schestowitz-TR I tried many others [13:11] matey i dont like tabbed editors personally [13:11] matey theres a lot to be said in favour of them, its a personal preference [13:11] matey i prefer to have one window for each buffer [13:12] matey and the smallest footprint editor possible [13:12] matey but geany for example-- lets you do search and replace across every tab! [13:12] matey which is pretty awesome [13:12] matey so i can see the point in that [13:12] matey kate may have that too, i never tried it [13:12] matey kate is not github [13:12] matey afaik [13:13] matey being kde means probably not gh [13:13] matey i loved kde until 4 came out. i dont want a desktop that fails if you dont have gfx acceleration [13:13] matey or for whatever reason plasma always failed on me. obviously you dont need plasma to run kate [13:13] matey i didnt like being a second-class citizen on kde 4 [13:14] matey also aseigo signed the anti-rms letter [13:14] matey not the fault of everyone else who develops it [13:14] matey hes a dick so [13:15] matey let me check if it was seigo, not someone newer [13:15] matey seiego did the cashew shit, i think the newer lead is the one who signed [13:16] matey i wonder what ettrich is up to these days [13:16] *schestowitz-TR back [13:16] schestowitz-TR kde uses invent.kde.org [13:17] schestowitz-TR which iirc is gitlab [13:17] schestowitz-TR asseigo seemed unlikely a signer [13:17] schestowitz-TR so when you mention him I thought, o'rly? [13:17] schestowitz-TR nate graham? [13:18] schestowitz-TR he's a former apple fan [13:18] schestowitz-TR it's a VERY useless thing to sign [13:18] schestowitz-TR NOTHIGN to gain [13:18] schestowitz-TR first it is FLASE [13:18] schestowitz-TR second, it's a statement of hate [13:18] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [13:18] schestowitz-TR so it's like saying [13:19] schestowitz-TR "I don't care about facts" [13:19] schestowitz-TR "and second, fuck this old man on the spectrum" [13:19] matey fuck its difficult to find info on the kde team [13:20] matey just to be clear, seigo isnt the lead anymore and DID NOT sign [13:20] schestowitz-TR there are twitter accounts I saw [13:20] schestowitz-TR connected to the troll here [13:20] schestowitz-TR which say [13:20] schestowitz-TR screw old people [13:20] schestowitz-TR esp. white and male [13:20] schestowitz-TR I mean, [13:20] matey so hes innocent (a bit of a shit, but innocent) [13:20] schestowitz-TR they don't choose to be old [13:20] schestowitz-TR or white [13:20] schestowitz-TR or male [13:20] schestowitz-TR so that's a attement of hate and bigotry [13:20] matey well im simply conflating the leader of kde 4 with the leader of kde 5 [13:20] schestowitz-TR and they use the platform, twitter, to compel twitter to ban such people [13:21] matey indeed [13:21] *zleap has quit (Client Quit) [13:21] matey it makes twitter look like they care about something [13:21] matey its cheap but it works (with silly people) [13:21] matey is it nate graham? [13:21] schestowitz-TR no idea [13:21] schestowitz-TR just said a name [13:21] schestowitz-TR who is chief of kde now? [13:21] schestowitz-TR I think a german [13:22] schestowitz-TR but not sure which of the twoi [13:22] schestowitz-TR the founder mostly vanished [13:22] schestowitz-TR he mad lyx and kde [13:22] schestowitz-TR two projects I love [13:22] matey its not graham [13:22] matey who is chief of kde now <- this is something i checked months ago but i cant find it now [13:22] schestowitz-TR after taking that german medal I hardly heard anything about him, just some anniversary interviews [13:22] matey websites are so useless these days [13:22] matey meet the team shouldnt be hard to find [13:23] schestowitz-TR doesn't matter [13:23] matey kingdomdrivenentrepreneur.com/about-kde/meet-the-team/ <- rofl [13:23] schestowitz-TR don't personify where it won't help [13:23] schestowitz-TR kde's statement on rms was not so bad [13:23] schestowitz-TR compared to gnome and other [13:23] matey doesn't matter <- it matters to get this statement correct [13:23] schestowitz-TR kde wanted more transparency from fsf [13:23] matey kde's statement on rms was not so bad <- im not going by the statement. [13:23] schestowitz-TR and fsf responded to that effect [13:24] schestowitz-TR suse was just sap [13:24] schestowitz-TR some idiot from sap [13:24] schestowitz-TR who knows nothing about free software and gnu/linux [13:24] schestowitz-TR even made statements on russia [13:24] schestowitz-TR pure businessism [13:24] matey i have no idea where youre supposed to find out WHO developes kde [13:25] matey again, i checked this months ago and it wasnt difficult [13:25] schestowitz-TR it's not centralised [13:25] schestowitz-TR kde is the framework [13:25] schestowitz-TR cats herded [13:25] schestowitz-TR some applications are qt [13:25] matey this is ridiculous [13:25] schestowitz-TR some kde [13:25] schestowitz-TR kde framework [13:25] schestowitz-TR plasma [13:25] schestowitz-TR kde software compilation( (SC) at one point [13:26] schestowitz-TR the distros can decide how much of kde they want [13:26] schestowitz-TR last night I installed konversation in kdeneon [13:26] schestowitz-TR a lot of kde softwaare is not there in kde distros [13:26] matey Community Information Hub <- useless [13:27] matey you cant find the project leader anywhere (same thing happening at fsf) [13:27] matey voluntary self-decapitation? [13:27] matey its a bloody open secret [13:28] matey https://community.kde.org/index.php?search=proejct+leader <- no results [13:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: kde.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://community.kde.org/index.php?search=proejct+leader [13:28] TR Bot Search results for "proejct leader" - KDE Community Wiki [13:28] matey oh i mistyped [13:28] matey 8 results now, best one https://community.kde.org/KDE_Project_History/KDE_Two_(Developer_Meeting) [13:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: kde.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://community.kde.org/KDE_Project_History/KDE_Two_(Developer_Meeting) [13:28] TR Bot KDE Project History/KDE Two (Developer Meeting) - KDE Community Wiki [13:28] matey thats useful. [13:29] matey the leader of kde has gone into hiding. [13:30] schestowitz-TR now Uew? [13:30] schestowitz-TR Uwe [13:30] schestowitz-TR check KDEeV [13:30] matey it shouldnt take 20 minutes to find this-- it took TWO last time i tried (2021) [13:30] schestowitz-TR and their board meeting [13:31] schestowitz-TR that'll tell you who does the hiring [13:31] matey kdeev is a separate insitutiton [13:31] matey it would be like trying to find who the dpl is via spi [13:31] matey which might work, though try it [13:31] schestowitz-TR kde is not in spi [13:31] matey no i mean the dpl [13:31] matey of debian [13:31] schestowitz-TR jon cartel [13:31] matey if you want to know who the dpl is you just go to wikipedia [13:31] schestowitz-TR carter [13:32] matey point is, with debian its trivial, you dont need to go to spi (and spi probably wouldnt say because they dont choose the dpl) [13:32] schestowitz-TR 2 more people run against him now [13:32] schestowitz-TR one sounds like japanese name [13:32] schestowitz-TR the other felix, probably european [13:32] matey oh jon carter is kde lead now? [13:32] schestowitz-TR no [13:32] schestowitz-TR kde does not have lead per se [13:32] schestowitz-TR there is a board [13:32] schestowitz-TR thew eV [13:33] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_e.V. [13:33] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_e.V ) [13:33] schestowitz "Key peopleAleix Pol i Gonzlez (President)' [13:33] schestowitz KDE leader [13:33] schestowitz spanish iirc [13:33] matey schestowitz-TR> kde does not have lead per se <- i dont believe this is true [13:33] matey they had a lead a year ago. [13:34] bnchs hours late, but if you hire indians [13:34] bnchs you can save alot on money [13:34] matey /KDE_e.V <- kde ev is an org, like spi. kde is a project, like debian [13:34] matey it has a project leader. [13:34] schestowitz PresidentAleix Pol Gonzlez [13:34] bnchs and get even less efficient software [13:34] schestowitz Vice PresidentLydia Pintscher [13:34] schestowitz Treasurer and Vice PresidentEike Hein [13:34] matey or it did a year ago. [13:34] schestowitz Board MemberNeofytos Kolokotronis [13:34] schestowitz Board MemberAdriaan de Groot [13:34] matey youre reading irrelevant information from the wrong source. [13:34] schestowitz "irko Boehm became treasurer" [13:35] matey you might as well tell me debian doesnt have a dpl because spi doesnt list one. [13:35] bnchs did you know: an airplane crashed due to the software being outsourced to india, which disengaged autopilot [13:35] schestowitz Later sold out to OINk [13:35] matey treasure of kde ev. [13:36] schestowitz-TR shit software can be made anywhere [13:36] schestowitz-TR not just india [13:36] bnchs yeah i know [13:36] schestowitz-TR the boeing blames rushed the software dev [13:36] schestowitz-TR for financial reasons [13:36] schestowitz-TR it costs them a lot more at the end, canceled orders and recalls [13:37] bnchs but even then [13:37] bnchs there are companies that like to outsource to other 3rd world countries [13:37] matey The KDE Community An international team developing and distributing Open Source software. <- there you go, kde is open source [13:37] bnchs which saves them money [13:37] bnchs but makes shit low-quality software [13:37] bnchs poorly-tested [13:38] schestowitz-TR a lot of development is of was outsourced to ukraine [13:38] schestowitz-TR the issue is money savings [13:38] schestowitz-TR not the outsourcing per se [13:38] schestowitz-TR or the country [13:39] schestowitz-TR its singy companies [13:39] bnchs yeah [13:39] schestowitz-TR they ship prematurely on shoehorn budget [13:39] bnchs they like to get greedy on development [13:39] schestowitz-TR like cameras with open telnet port [13:39] bnchs which causes problems [13:39] schestowitz-TR they don't want to know about sec issues [13:39] schestowitz-TR because they hirt for audit [13:40] bnchs schestowitz-TR: joke is [13:40] bnchs i found a router with open telnet port [13:40] schestowitz-TR and after hiring they learn things they don't want to know [13:40] schestowitz-TR and shipping gets delayed [13:40] bnchs it had some shit shell [13:40] schestowitz-TR so they just throw them out there in bulk [13:40] bnchs but you can get access to the busybox shell by doing "[command] && /bin/sh" [13:40] schestowitz-TR it runs? SHIP. [13:41] matey i find it pretty incredible that kde is a software development project [13:41] matey and has no project leader. even when it did a year ago. [13:41] bnchs you could get all of the router information [13:41] matey but even if it didnt, still incredible. [13:41] bnchs that way [13:41] matey most large software projects do have a leader [13:42] schestowitz-TR I prefer it this way [13:42] schestowitz-TR like countries with president and PM [13:42] schestowitz-TR no royalty [13:42] matey oh yes? so you prefer a gnu project with no rms? [13:42] schestowitz-TR seigo was a public face [13:42] schestowitz-TR but not leaders [13:42] bnchs anyway [13:42] schestowitz-TR he was a perceived champ [13:42] bnchs i found lots of internet crap [13:42] schestowitz-TR but not a dictator [13:42] bnchs including routers [13:42] matey because gnu without rms is a ple of shit. [13:43] matey pile as well [13:43] schestowitz-TR debian shufflel leaders often [13:43] bnchs have shitton of security issues [13:43] schestowitz-TR but that makes it easy to game [13:43] bnchs and even abandoned updates [13:43] schestowitz-TR imagine fsf shuffling board pre and ed every year [13:43] schestowitz-TR one wrong pick and your org is f*ed [13:43] matey youre not making any sense at all [13:43] matey no leaders, no accountability [13:44] matey someone is coordinating things at kde [13:44] schestowitz-TR it should be decentralised [13:44] schestowitz-TR and federalised [13:44] matey theyre just making the information harder to find [13:44] schestowitz-TR like states [13:44] psydruid coordinating for bloat? [13:44] schestowitz-TR in kde there are many components [13:44] matey it should be decentralised <- so in other words, rms should step down from gn [13:44] matey gnu [13:44] schestowitz-TR fediverse and disapora are the same [13:44] schestowitz-TR no single leader [13:44] matey thats what gnu.fools wanted. [13:45] schestowitz-TR but many islands connected together [13:45] schestowitz-TR bad instances/pods will die [13:45] schestowitz-TR and the whole will carry on going [13:45] matey on github. [13:45] bnchs what happens if rms dies [13:45] bnchs who will take his place [13:45] schestowitz-TR fsf carries on [13:45] schestowitz-TR nobody needs to take his place [13:45] matey fsf certainly does carry on [13:45] schestowitz-TR and nobody can [13:45] schestowitz-TR because he alone is the founder [13:46] schestowitz-TR at the moment rms is still camera-shy [13:46] matey nobody needs to take his place <- well this is a bunch of claptrap [13:46] bnchs ok [13:46] bnchs so the entire thing falls apart [13:46] bnchs after he dies [13:46] matey bnchs: yes [13:46] schestowitz-TR so for 2+ years fsf was mostly on auto-pilot without much public authority from him [13:46] schestowitz-TR zoe has caused no blunder so far [13:46] matey because people are kind of dumb. [13:46] *psydruid imagines it to be santa claus [13:46] schestowitz-TR I wait for libreplanet 2022 videos to be ready [13:46] bnchs either through shit leader [13:46] bnchs or no leadership [13:47] matey so for 2+ years fsf was mostly on auto-pilot without much public authority from him <- this is of course is not the narrative from the fsf itself OR from people speaking from the inside [13:47] matey and it wasnt doing well on "autopilot" either. [13:47] matey but lets ignore all of that for rhetorical purposes. [13:48] matey because it sort of undermines the point of whatever it is you think youre saying [13:49] matey one of the goals of the coup was to 1. fake his stepping down from gnu 2. force him to step down from gnu [13:49] matey now youre saying gnu doesnt need a project leader [13:49] matey i would question this just because its what the backstabbers wanted. [13:49] matey without a project leader, gnu has become MORE centralised, under microsoft. [13:50] bnchs gnu needs a project leader that can be bribed easily [13:50] bnchs thats what they meant by forcing rms to step down [13:50] matey gnu seems to be fucked no matter what it does [13:50] matey doesnt change the pros and cons of doing this or that. [13:50] bnchs rms couldnt be bribed [13:50] bnchs so they had to do it the hard way [13:50] matey bnchs: you could be right [13:51] matey the decapitation attack on linux didnt help linux [13:51] matey the decapitation attack on gnu didnt help gnu [13:51] matey so now the position is a headless gnu is a better gnu [13:51] schestowitz-TR btw, kde is also federated in the corporate sense [13:51] matey thats hilarious. [13:51] matey kde isnt a corporation. [13:51] schestowitz-TR quite a few companies going like datellite around qt and kde [13:51] schestowitz-TR most of them northern european [13:51] schestowitz-TR some are OEMs [13:51] matey youre conflating kde the project with kde ev the corporation [13:51] matey the corporation isnt a software project. [13:52] matey spi is not the debian software distribution either. [13:52] matey the president of spi is not the debian project leader. [13:52] schestowitz-TR spi is a tax hack [13:52] matey because theyre two different things. [13:52] matey that may be [13:52] schestowitz-TR spi does it for many other projects [13:52] schestowitz-TR see their statement [13:52] matey but theyre still two different things [13:52] schestowitz-TR osi does it for microsoft [13:52] matey kde is not a corporation. [13:52] schestowitz-TR sfc for many others [13:52] matey debian is also not a corporation [13:53] matey and kde under the auspices of kde ev cannot be "federated in a corporate sense" [13:54] matey its exactly the opposite of that [13:54] matey thats as ridiculous as saying "federated under github" [13:54] matey github is a single entity [13:54] schestowitz-TR see copyrights in kde [13:54] schestowitz-TR to some people kde is not a project [13:54] schestowitz-TR or community [13:54] schestowitz-TR but partly a job [13:54] schestowitz-TR same in qt [13:55] schestowitz-TR but qt becomes more about business and little else [13:55] matey it can be a breath mint or a candy mint, its still a project. [13:55] schestowitz-TR they try again [13:55] matey nots not a corporation. [13:55] matey its not a corporation. [13:55] schestowitz-TR kde is a brand [13:55] schestowitz-TR you use qt for soomething [13:55] schestowitz-TR and then you can associate with the kde software distribution [13:55] schestowitz-TR and same for gnu [13:56] schestowitz-TR leah was on and off gnu [13:56] matey kde is a brand <- really, so you download the trademark and then compile it using gcc? [13:56] schestowitz-TR gnu does not impose toolkits [13:56] matey kde is a brand, but thats nothing to do with this. [13:56] matey gnu does not impose toolkits <- nor does the trademark actually. [13:56] schestowitz-TR "KDE SC" had a reason [13:56] schestowitz-TR I know the history rather [13:56] schestowitz-TR well [13:57] matey the project decides on the toolkits. [13:57] schestowitz-TR as a KDE user since 2000 [13:57] matey the one that doesnt exist, apparently. [13:57] schestowitz-TR there's KDE 'core [13:57] schestowitz-TR like plasma and klipper [13:57] schestowitz-TR klipper is very old [13:57] matey because its decentralised under a single entity like github [13:57] schestowitz-TR went throuh tons of changes [13:57] matey sorry, "federated" [13:57] matey this really is a lot of wank. [13:57] schestowitz-TR pertinent sofwtare like KNode is there too [13:57] schestowitz-TR and tons of cobbleed-together stuff, like KOrganiser and KMail, which then need underlying services for indexing and similar [13:58] schestowitz-TR k3b is aroudn still, I guess [13:58] schestowitz-TR but not limited to kde [13:58] matey you go to https://kde.org/ and it says "kde goals" somewhere [13:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: kde.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://kde.org/ [13:58] TR Bot Home - KDE Community [13:58] matey 2019. [13:58] matey i guess those are long term goals. [13:58] schestowitz-TR kde is very ditributed [13:58] schestowitz-TR BUT STILL [13:58] schestowitz-TR far more organised than MicrosoftWindows [13:59] matey Finalize the transition to Wayland and embrace the future of desktop [13:59] schestowitz-TR at Microsoft the left hand no longer knows what the right is doing [13:59] matey so there you go, whenever you push kde youre pushing wayland. congratulations. [13:59] schestowitz-TR many dying or dead WIndows projects and OSes they tried, or bought [13:59] schestowitz-TR and many editions of the same thing [13:59] matey might as well start sucking up to wayland, because youre promoting it either way. ● Mar 28 [14:00] schestowitz-TR I don't want wayland [14:00] matey https://dot.kde.org/2019/09/07/kde-decides-three-new-challenges-wayland-consistency-and-apps "Finalize the transition to Wayland and embrace the future of desktop" [14:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: kde.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dot.kde.org/2019/09/07/kde-decides-three-new-challenges-wayland-consistency-and-apps [14:00] TR Bot KDE Decides the Three New Challenges: Wayland, Consistency, and Apps | KDE.news [14:00] schestowitz-TR I don't need it [14:00] matey this is the systemdickification of kde [14:00] schestowitz-TR and can work around to avoid it over time [14:00] schestowitz-TR my scripts use x tools [14:01] matey I don't need it <- you LITERALLY DO. [14:01] matey and can work around to avoid it over time <- how? [14:01] schestowitz-TR but maybe those scripts won't be of any use in 5 years [14:01] schestowitz-TR so then I might not might a stable wayland [14:01] bnchs wayland is the redhat of x11 [14:01] schestowitz-TR like pulseaudio, which generally works most of the time [14:01] schestowitz-TR pipewire seems like a project in its diapers [14:01] bnchs it still has issues [14:01] bnchs like not having a good way to screenshot [14:01] matey wayland is the redhat of x11 <- i hope youre getting this, kde is pushing wayland [14:01] bnchs nor screen record [14:01] matey as "the future of the desktop" [14:02] psydruid after being worked on since 2009 [14:02] bnchs you literally cant screen record not take screenshots [14:02] matey the systemdickification of kde continues (it started with the cashew) [14:02] schestowitz-TR bnchs: yes, it's not for me [14:02] bnchs matey: wait what? [14:02] bnchs pushing wayland? [14:03] schestowitz-TR iCBM ruins Red Hat fast enough that it might become a spinoff company [14:03] matey https://dot.kde.org/2019/09/07/kde-decides-three-new-challenges-wayland-consistency-and-apps <- bnchs [14:03] Alternative link Cloudflare: kde.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dot.kde.org/2019/09/07/kde-decides-three-new-challenges-wayland-consistency-and-apps [14:03] TR Bot KDE Decides the Three New Challenges: Wayland, Consistency, and Apps | KDE.news [14:03] matey "Finalize the transition to Wayland and embrace the future of desktop" [14:04] schestowitz-TR matey: what are you using at this very moment? [14:04] psydruid how could they omit screen streaming and recording as one of the fundamental features of the "new" Wayland protocol? [14:04] matey matey: what are you using at this very moment? <- be more specific [14:04] matey using for what? [14:04] bnchs psydruid: its a side effect [14:04] schestowitz-TR irc [14:05] bnchs of them trying to prevent X11 hijacking [14:05] matey what does it matter what im using for irc? [14:05] bnchs or something [14:05] schestowitz-TR it matters [14:05] schestowitz-TR to me [14:05] matey i thought you were asking what i was using for a desktop [14:05] schestowitz-TR evasive? [14:05] matey its a question out of left field [14:05] schestowitz-TR yes, for the irc session [14:05] matey im curious why it matters [14:06] schestowitz-TR unelss you use android or something... [14:06] matey you should be able to figure it out. im sure ariadne can if she wants to. [14:06] schestowitz-TR not trying to slag you off, just curious [14:06] matey salright [14:06] schestowitz-TR because I want to know the stack [14:06] matey well if you know me [14:06] bnchs schestowitz-TR: ctcp client? [14:06] matey i avoid stacks [14:06] schestowitz-TR for me at the moment all laptops are xorg [14:06] schestowitz-TR 3 KDEs [14:06] schestowitz-TR one GNOME [14:07] schestowitz-TR one Xfce4 [14:07] schestowitz-TR the one I type into with "-TR" is KDE4 [14:08] matey i considered xfce the lesser of three evils [14:08] bnchs apparently [14:08] bnchs in X11 [14:08] matey but lately its just failing like lxde [14:08] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [14:08] matey which i considered the best compromise of features and speed [14:08] bnchs programs can look at each other's X11 window [14:08] schestowitz-TR only 2 laptops have systemd [14:08] schestowitz-TR the rest no [14:08] bnchs i mean capture X11 keyboard/mouse events [14:08] matey youve actually been getting away from systemd then? [14:08] bnchs even if it meant for another program [14:08] matey how is it the other machines dont have it? [14:09] schestowitz-TR systemd offers nothing to me [14:09] schestowitz-TR it's not a selling point [14:09] matey thats true [14:09] matey but i was unaware that youd done anything to escape it [14:09] schestowitz-TR when configusing the new machine this past weekend first options were openbsd and devuan [14:09] schestowitz-TR devuan choked on the wifi bard [14:09] schestowitz-TR card [14:09] matey so youve been installing systemd alternatives? [14:09] schestowitz-TR which turns out to be notorious even in these COVID years [14:10] schestowitz-TR realtek have very poor code, I didn't know [14:10] schestowitz-TR matey: installed, but no wifi [14:10] schestowitz-TR and I don't want to compile kernels [14:10] matey devuan is a huge disappointment [14:10] schestowitz-TR Chimera [14:10] matey and i wouldnt even recommend openbsd to someone who needed wifi [14:10] bnchs i dont even use wifi [14:10] matey i usually remove the wifi chip from my laptops [14:10] bnchs entirely ethernet [14:11] matey before ive even installed a new os [14:11] matey you know what i recommend to people who want wifi? [14:11] matey its not even a usb dongle [14:11] schestowitz-TR I still have chimaera on my disk [14:11] matey get an extender, and use ethernet [14:11] schestowitz-TR I installed fully LMDE [14:11] schestowitz-TR then wiped it [14:11] matey granted this is useless for TRUE portability [14:12] matey you need a powerpoint for it it work [14:12] schestowitz-TR I have the mni.iso of bullseye as well [14:12] matey ive used it at cafes-- but only if a powerpoint is avilable [14:12] schestowitz-TR those are small [14:12] matey still its major progress if youre exploring systemd alternatives finally [14:13] matey when i slagged you off for that more than a year ago, it was MOSTLY intended as real advice [14:13] matey the slagging was a smaller fraction of the intent. [14:13] matey it was meant as a "gentle slagging" [14:13] schestowitz-TR matey: later you went on toi writing like 50 articles about us [14:13] schestowitz-TR I read most of them, thank you [14:13] matey yes, well [14:13] matey those are still online [14:13] schestowitz-TR it's OK [14:14] schestowitz-TR I'm no Putin [14:14] matey i think most of them are probably accurate. [14:14] matey no, let me think of someone i still think is worse-- i can do this, its not a trick. [14:14] matey poettering no doubt. [14:14] schestowitz-TR did you speak to lxo btw? [14:14] schestowitz-TR he was hurt by your last correspondence [14:15] matey he jumped down my throat about not wanting a "forced marriage" [14:15] TR News 8 Best KDE Based Linux Distributions That Youll Love Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163061 [14:15] TR Bot 8 Best KDE Based Linux Distributions That Youll Love | Tux Machines [14:15] schestowitz-TR lxe is a nice guy [14:15] matey so is rms [14:15] schestowitz-TR and he could not reply to you [14:15] schestowitz-TR nor could tom [14:15] schestowitz-TR he was sad about the whole thing [14:15] matey tom sold me out, i dropped him. [14:15] schestowitz-TR I last spoke to tom last year [14:15] matey i saw. [14:15] schestowitz-TR now joindiaspora is dead (this was long-coming BTW) [14:16] schestowitz-TR maybe you can make up with tom, his email is the same [14:16] matey yeah i mean they stopped taking new people years ago [14:16] schestowitz-TR he's our senior [14:16] matey maybe you can make up with tom, his email is the same <- im more interested in people i can trust [14:16] schestowitz-TR tom and lxo were always very nice to me [14:17] matey tom is a nice person [14:17] schestowitz-TR rms is not as predictble because of his tact [14:17] matey rms is socially clumsy. he can be forgiven for that [14:17] matey if someone bumps into you with their wheelchair, 999 times out of 1000 they didnt mean it and can be forgiven instantly [14:17] matey rms is the same. [14:17] schestowitz-TR and hey, not to brag, but to keep a site and community going since 2006 is not easy [14:18] schestowitz-TR snd in TR we outlasted many [14:18] schestowitz-TR not because of money or anything [14:18] schestowitz-TR photonix sold out [14:18] schestowitz-TR fossforce is varnishing LF ads in every page now [14:18] matey i was not surprised when microbel sold out [14:18] matey i expected him to [14:18] matey yes fossfarce [14:18] schestowitz-TR sellouts all around me [14:18] matey christine (signed) and bilefield (posted false things in an article) [14:18] schestowitz-TR even lian dawe seems to be part of "steam deck love boat" [14:18] matey i know the name, not the role. [14:19] matey still fossfarce? [14:19] schestowitz-TR yeah, bbyfield ruined and tarnished the "force" [14:19] schestowitz-TR he was a force against FSF [14:19] matey christine signed the letter [14:19] schestowitz-TR concern-trolling them for years [14:19] schestowitz-TR while Hall wrote nothing [14:19] matey but bilefield was worse [14:19] schestowitz-TR he always was [14:19] schestowitz-TR he always did this to FSF [14:20] schestowitz-TR he became irrelevant like 10 years ago [14:20] schestowitz-TR I only see his name in Linux Mag sometimes, but that's it [14:20] matey open source eats their own [14:20] schestowitz-TR they do it to themselves [14:20] matey with a real community, you dont have to step on good people to get to the top [14:20] schestowitz-TR you can sell out in one day [14:20] matey you can just be part of something bigger [14:20] schestowitz-TR after 10 years of hard work [14:20] matey with open source, the only reason to be part of something is to sell out and climb to the top [14:21] matey where you get eaten, and the cycle continues [14:21] schestowitz-TR sfc is just 'cashing in' at the moemnt [14:21] matey yes [14:21] matey and theyre winning just enough (for now) [14:21] schestowitz-TR bkuhn monetising the goodwill he got at fsf for 1-2 decades [14:21] schestowitz-TR he'll run out, just like LF [14:21] matey bkuhn is nuts. he really believes what he says. [14:21] schestowitz-TR LF lost its CFO the year it made a LOSS [14:21] matey his lies are first and foremost to himself. [14:21] matey then to everyone else. [14:21] matey hes an "honest liar" [14:21] schestowitz-TR and now without ANY events and without ANY IRS filings you have to wonder wth is going on [14:22] schestowitz-TR bkuhn is not nuts [14:22] schestowitz-TR he's shrewd with composure [14:22] matey we neednt agree [14:22] schestowitz-TR sandler also [14:22] matey he's shrewd with composure <- tactically i agree with this. [14:22] schestowitz-TR but they defected to anotrher objective [14:22] matey his TACTICS ARE shrewd [14:22] schestowitz-TR rms lacks the compsure [14:22] matey i have a theory about libreplanet im happy to share [14:23] schestowitz-TR he has temper, still [14:23] matey ive sort of said it before [14:23] schestowitz-TR peace prize to enemies? [14:23] matey regarding kuhn and the speech he gave [14:23] matey besides that [14:23] matey that wasnt my theory it was ariadnes [14:23] schestowitz-TR the speech is in the libreplanet side [14:23] matey peace prize to enemies was hers [14:23] schestowitz-TR I did not click [14:23] schestowitz-TR a week later sfc attacked rms again [14:23] matey the 2017 speech, where rms really did overreact [14:23] schestowitz-TR matey: yes. I was about to say that [14:24] matey and kuhn appeared magnanimous [14:24] matey i wouldnt be surprised if the entire goal was to trigger him [14:24] matey like entrapment [14:24] schestowitz-TR that's a poliical stratetgy [14:24] matey yes [14:24] schestowitz-TR I'm told this routinely about Team UPC [14:24] matey now, its impossible to prove. [14:24] matey because thats how gaslighting works. [14:24] schestowitz-TR they lie a lot to cause outbursts and anger [14:25] schestowitz-TR and then they look like they're reasonable and everyone else is hateful [14:25] matey its a documented tactic of the church of scientology [14:25] schestowitz-TR didn't know [14:25] matey they work systematically to produce overreactions-- they have a term for it called bullbaiting [14:25] schestowitz-TR remember what jono did to me live [14:25] matey there are videos about this on youtube [14:25] matey jono was a dick [14:25] schestowitz-TR even leo laprte had to step inm [14:25] schestowitz-TR and apologise [14:25] schestowitz-TR he felt like I had been ambushed [14:25] matey you sort of were [14:26] schestowitz-TR at the time jono was fronting for a number of trolls [14:26] schestowitz-TR some were sending m,e threats [14:26] matey jono is a hypocrite extraordinaire [14:26] matey a lot of [14:26] matey ""community leader" types are [14:26] matey but i didnt call him on it, countless others have [14:26] schestowitz-TR btw, he's obsolete now [14:26] matey of course [14:26] schestowitz-TR now clear what he does for a living [14:26] schestowitz-TR I know what he CLAIMS [14:26] matey but his legacy is very mugh with it [14:26] schestowitz-TR not the same [14:26] matey jono was-- through his design or that of others [14:26] schestowitz-TR like corporate sites with phantom profiles [14:27] schestowitz-TR to seem bigger than they really are [14:27] matey the prototype developer of all this coc nonsense [14:27] matey before coc took over the world, openrespect led the way [14:27] schestowitz-TR jono is about 5 years my senior [14:27] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:27] schestowitz-TR so he still needs anoter few decades of 'juice' (income) [14:27] schestowitz-TR in Free software he won't be welcomes [14:27] schestowitz-TR just the quarters that attack it [14:27] schestowitz-TR like flailing LF [14:28] matey well he was open source theres no question [14:28] schestowitz-TR where he worked as an evangalist/shill [14:28] matey but then most things are now [14:28] schestowitz-TR pay now for TWEET.... from THE BACON [14:28] matey another fine example of pure hypocrisy-- microsoft uses term "evangelist" while painting free software as "religious" and "cult" [14:28] schestowitz-TR there's a troll here in IRC still looking for dirt on me [14:28] schestowitz-TR he has parked her for a year [14:28] schestowitz-TR defamed me repeatedly in twitter [14:29] matey yes im aware [14:29] schestowitz-TR then had the audacity to claim _I_ had defamed _him_ [14:29] schestowitz-TR "ThatDidn'tGoWell(TM)" [14:29] matey well id like his side of the story on that [14:29] matey but he wont give it (for now) [14:29] schestowitz-TR he wants to be a teacher [14:30] schestowitz-TR seems like career demotion [14:30] schestowitz-TR kernel doesn't want him back [14:30] schestowitz-TR which, you know... [14:30] schestowitz-TR sort of 'happens'/... [14:30] matey a teacher is more of a life calling than a career move [14:30] schestowitz-TR when you troll the project's founded for years [14:30] schestowitz-TR *founder [14:30] schestowitz-TR same for Sage [14:30] matey no one becomes a nun because of the perks [14:30] schestowitz-TR now works for SFC [14:30] schestowitz-TR in Team Cancel(R) [14:30] schestowitz-TR "what are your skills?" [14:31] *rianne_ has quit (Ping timeout: 120 seconds) [14:31] schestowitz-TR "I helped produced lots of anti-Torvalds" articles [14:31] schestowitz-TR "also, I was a woman back then, so I insinuated he was sexist and stuff... but his family is feminist... so that didn't stick on the wall" [14:32] schestowitz-TR ok, back to linux news now... [14:32] schestowitz-TR bbiab [14:32] TR News Review: Zenwalk GNU Linux 15.0 - The power of Zen Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163062 [14:32] TR Bot Review: Zenwalk GNU Linux 15.0 - The power of Zen | Tux Machines [14:32] TR News Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Atlassian Opsgenie Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163063 [14:32] TR Bot Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Atlassian Opsgenie | Tux Machines [14:32] schestowitz-TR btw [14:32] schestowitz-TR side note [14:32] schestowitz-TR and totally factual: [14:32] schestowitz-TR when you have a project 98% male [14:33] schestowitz-TR and one time a lady gets told off for bad code [14:33] schestowitz-TR shouting sexist is NOT helping adoption of women in the project [14:33] matey i agree [14:33] schestowitz-TR it creates more suspicion and reaffirms fear [14:33] matey i mean the thing is [14:33] schestowitz-TR THAT... onluy HARMS women's prospects [14:33] matey when the person shouting is known for treating everyone that way [14:34] schestowitz-TR who are presumed potential agent provocateur from the get p-gop [14:34] schestowitz-TR my wife does excellent work technically [14:34] matey the real sexist thing to do would be to show chivalry to the female contributor [14:34] schestowitz-TR and that's feminism [14:34] schestowitz-TR being on par with or better than the rest [14:35] matey at any rate, i dont put stock in any definition of "sexist" that condemns someone for treating a female contributor the same as anyone else [14:35] schestowitz-TR or to put it anorher way [14:35] matey unless the treatment is regarding women somehow [14:35] schestowitz-TR If I see a lady coder stepping on stage [14:35] schestowitz-TR and doing excellent work and presentation [14:35] schestowitz-TR I don't need her to say she is female [14:35] schestowitz-TR I can see that [14:35] matey like if a guy makes sex jokes about everyone else and does the same around women-- thats another matter [14:35] schestowitz-TR and I am impessed by the word [14:35] schestowitz-TR *work [14:35] matey but if he holds a female to the same code standards [14:35] *rianne_ (~rianne@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [14:35] matey thats like what you you would hope [14:36] *rianne_ (~rianne@joseon-4d3.0m6.7132oi.IP) has joined #techrights [14:36] schestowitz-TR the code crashes [14:36] schestowitz-TR no matter is its coder had one genital or the other [14:36] schestowitz-TR and the crash can impact a plane [14:36] schestowitz-TR or train [14:36] schestowitz-TR with people of all sorts of genitals inside [14:36] matey ive had te same position on this for years [14:36] schestowitz-TR so it's really about the code [14:36] matey yes its not about gender at all [14:36] schestowitz-TR btw, intel's usb code turned out to be super-buggy [14:36] schestowitz-TR beyond belief [14:36] schestowitz-TR tons of defects found years later [14:37] matey but thats an ultra-left issue [14:37] schestowitz-TR but I don't know how many devs were involved [14:37] matey or if you dont like that you can say "pandering" and its just as true [14:37] matey its not about legitimate politics at all [14:37] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [14:37] schestowitz-TR it's not a left/right thing [14:37] matey well it is [14:37] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [14:38] matey but its pandering at any rate [14:38] schestowitz-TR hmm.. in the US [14:38] matey no [14:38] schestowitz-TR OK, in the US [14:38] matey i mean in europe [14:38] matey historically. [14:38] schestowitz-TR feminists come from no particular wing [14:38] schestowitz-TR women are equal [14:38] matey im not really talking about feminists Per Se [14:38] schestowitz-TR and are better than men at some things [14:38] schestowitz-TR it's a work distribution assignment [14:38] schestowitz-TR today I maintained our bikes [14:38] schestowitz-TR I did the task that need more force [14:39] schestowitz-TR rianne did the others [14:39] schestowitz-TR because it is more effective use of resources [14:39] matey ive dated women who were physically stronger than me (and vice versa) [14:39] matey you just assign tasks based on ability [14:39] matey not based on gender [14:39] schestowitz-TR yes [14:40] schestowitz-TR or based on experience [14:40] matey rianne may be stronger than mjg-- just based on what HE says about himself [14:40] schestowitz-TR rianne is quite strong [14:40] schestowitz-TR compared to her friend [14:40] matey right [14:40] schestowitz-TR when they tried shotput [14:40] schestowitz-TR rianne did twice the distgance [14:40] schestowitz-TR with the 7.2kg ball [14:44] TR News "Josh and Kurt talk about the latest [Microsoft] backdoored package." https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/03/27/episode-316-you-have-to-use-open-source/ [14:44] TR Bot Episode 316 You have to use open source Open Source Security [14:45] bnchs the one thing is i prefer programmers not to show off their gender/sex or anything [14:45] bnchs if they want the least amount of discrimination [14:45] matey i prefer the internet where people didnt wear their personal information on their sleeve [14:46] matey its their right, but its something people should think twice about it [14:46] bnchs yeah [14:46] bnchs unless they state their gender otherwise [14:46] matey the guy who drew userfriendly was anonymous for years [14:46] bnchs i automatically think they're a male [14:46] matey he was outed by some crazed fans [14:46] bnchs thats why i use he/him pronouns for unknown people [14:47] matey when i was a kid, i had a crush on this girl who was literally a genius [14:47] matey played the violin at age 7 [14:47] matey we both had the same kind of computer [14:47] schestowitz-TR violin at 7? [14:47] bnchs sometimes people correct it but it doesnt change what i think about them [14:47] matey literal genius. [14:47] schestowitz-TR probably affluent family [14:47] schestowitz-TR or korean :-) [14:47] matey i think her father worked for the music industry. [14:48] schestowitz-TR ah, that explains it [14:48] schestowitz-TR tutoring directly [14:48] matey if she was korean, she must have been one of the irish variety [14:48] schestowitz-TR corrs [14:48] matey anyway, i never thought of computers as something gendered [14:48] matey and i have no doubt she could have been a wizard at computers if she wasnt busy with countless other projects [14:49] matey she was more focused on music [14:49] bnchs the problem is that people tend to favor more or discriminate more people based on their sex/gender/whatever they fuck they are/did [14:49] TR News Metadata Cleaner: Remove Your Traces Within a File Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163064 [14:49] TR Bot Metadata Cleaner: Remove Your Traces Within a File | Tux Machines [14:49] bnchs and the only way to fix that [14:49] matey the problem is that people tend to favor more or discriminate more people based on their sex/gender/whatever they fuck they are/did <- indeed [14:49] bnchs is anonymity [14:49] matey i dont know [14:49] matey anonymity is the simplest way [14:49] matey and it works! [14:49] matey mulan, joan of arc, etc. [14:49] bnchs i just assume they're a man [14:50] TR News There seems to be almost no journalism left on issues like patents in Europe (or in general); the little coverage that exists is full of conflicts (of interest) and theres media blackout when it comes to the biggest and most noteworthy news http://techrights.org/2022/03/27/media-blackout-europe/ [14:50] TR Bot The Patent Distortion: Judging by the Media, the EPO Strike Never Happened (and Lots More Lies, Even Promotion of Illegal Agenda) | Techrights [14:50] matey on the other hand, it shouldnt be a REQUIREMENT to be anonymous to be treated like an equal [14:50] bnchs yeah but [14:50] matey so its reasonable for people to try to make headway even while having a face and a gender [14:50] bnchs they shouldnt show off as well [14:50] matey i guess it means what you mean by "show off" [14:50] bnchs i dont care if you're trans [14:51] bnchs matey: i mean like people showing off that they're trans [14:51] TR News IRC Proceedings: Sunday, March 27, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/irc-log-270322/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/irc-log-270322/ [14:51] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Sunday, March 27, 2022 | Techrights [14:51] bnchs or if they're gay or something [14:51] matey i dont know, lots of progress was made via gay pride [14:51] bnchs i mean how is it related to development at all [14:51] matey i think it depends on a lot of things besides just either/or [14:51] TR News Twitter makes it hard to follow what youve actually subscribed for; instead, Twitter increasingly tells you what to follow (following the footsteps of GulagTube and Facebook) http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/spam-in-the-notifications-bar-in-twitter/ [14:51] TR Bot The Latest Engagement Spam From Twitter (ICYMI SPAM): Putting Junk in the Notifications Area, Too | Techrights [14:52] bnchs yeah [14:53] bnchs but projects tend to have more progress [14:53] matey it shouldnt become more important to free software than free software itself at least [14:53] bnchs if they dont focus on identity politics [14:53] matey so it can be weaponised for that purpose [14:53] bnchs and rather treat everyone equally [14:53] matey and at times has been [14:53] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights [14:53] bnchs yeah [14:53] matey but then again [14:53] matey that means the real problem is the weaponisation of identity politics [14:54] matey not identity politics themselves [14:54] *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights [14:54] bnchs well that is the problem [14:54] matey youre pro-gun, right? [14:54] bnchs you end up having projects becoming a slave to identity politics [14:54] matey maybe im thinking of someone else [14:54] bnchs matey: i prefer not to say [14:54] MinceR i am pro-gun [14:54] matey so lets take mincer as an example then [14:55] matey guns can be extremely useful [14:55] matey its a problem when theyre used to murder people [14:55] bnchs who's problem is it [14:55] matey identity politics can be used for a good purpose [14:55] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blKJOtEKCxs [14:55] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=blKJOtEKCxs [14:55] TR Bot yewtu.be | i poked the cat and the void mrrp mrrp - Invidious [14:55] bnchs the guy shooting it? [14:55] bnchs or the gun itself [14:55] matey its a problem when theyre used as an offensive weapon [14:55] MinceR any object can be used to murder people [14:55] MinceR including human bodies [14:55] TR News Feren OS 2022.03 is Finally Here as its First Update for This YearFeren OS 2022.03 is Finally Here as its First Update for This Year http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163046#comment-33218 [14:55] bnchs MinceR: thats true [14:55] TR Bot Ubuntu-Based Feren OS 2022.03 Released with KDE Plasma 5.24 LTS, Various Improvements | Tux Machines [14:55] matey like a banana [14:55] bnchs knives aswell [14:56] bnchs people tend to carry machetes with them here [14:56] matey or a bunch of grapes [14:56] matey or a pointed stick [14:56] *psydruid wants to use a cat as a weapon of mass destruction [14:56] matey cats ARE weapons of mass destruction [14:57] MinceR you shouldn't use a cat as a WMD [14:57] matey but the only time they were accused of such, the real problem was parasites [14:57] bnchs anything can be used as a weapon [14:57] bnchs even rocks [14:57] bnchs and stones [14:57] bnchs should you ban rocks and stones? [14:58] matey i think if people have rocks and stones they should turn them in voluntarily [14:58] matey no questions asked [14:58] MinceR hands, legs and teeth can be used as weapon, ban those too [14:58] TR News Hard Links and Soft Links in Linux: Everything You Need to Know Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163065 [14:58] TR Bot Hard Links and Soft Links in Linux: Everything You Need to Know | Tux Machines [14:58] MinceR well, the entire arm can be used as a weapon [14:58] matey bruce lee could use just a finger [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.95 k/sec., IPFS upstream 16.45 average k/sec., average swarm size 311.10 [14:59] matey we should also ban windows [14:59] matey because as archie bunker pointed out, people can be pushed out of them [14:59] bnchs matey: ok i agree with that [14:59] bnchs oh windows not that windows ● Mar 28 [15:00] bnchs windows as in window [15:00] matey i assume he was referring to microsoft windows [15:00] matey so we should ban those [15:01] matey /me is actually ok with most windows, but is completely against Assault Windows [15:01] MinceR windows can be thrown at people [15:01] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:01] MinceR with sufficient velocity, they can be arbitrarily destructive [15:02] matey plus they have sharp edges when they break [15:02] matey kids should never be around windows [15:02] matey theyre more likely to fall through due to size [15:02] matey and theyre more likely to get cut on sharp edges because [15:02] schestowitz-TR [14:56] * psydruid wants to use a cat as a weapon of mass destruction [15:02] schestowitz-TR cat file | [fork bomb] [15:02] matey well, kids are pretty stupid [15:03] matey theres probably a youtube meme coming with the "broken glass challenge" [15:03] matey i dont even want to watch that one. [15:03] bnchs you can use a cat's anus as a gun silencer [15:03] bnchs ban cats [15:03] schestowitz-TR jeppers creepers [15:03] schestowitz-TR *jeepers [15:04] matey you can use a cat's anus as a gun silencer <- jesus, someones ben watching league of gentlemen [15:04] MinceR someone's been playing Postal2 [15:05] schestowitz you can use chinchilla as a keychain http://techrights.org/2016/10/12/epo-dkpto-danish-stories-index/ [15:05] TR Bot Index: Our Jesper Kongstad Series of Danish Stories | Techrights [15:05] matey you can use chinchilla as a keychain <- thats fucking awful [15:05] schestowitz there are photos, too [15:05] matey ugh [15:05] schestowitz head of EPO [15:05] schestowitz and his wife [15:05] schestowitz we got rid of him [15:05] matey charming [15:05] schestowitz his government sacked him [15:06] matey hopefully the sack wasnt also chinchilla [15:06] schestowitz she sold them piecewise in facebook [15:06] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [15:06] schestowitz they farmed and cut them at home [15:06] matey im not against using animals for hides [15:07] schestowitz see? here is what I don't get [15:07] matey but tiny animals, when they werent used for meat or anything? thats just-- why? [15:07] schestowitz if I buy a cat here and abuse here, I will get in trouble [15:07] schestowitz even for just spaking it [15:07] *bnchs (~bnchs@iz5z6vz2495by.irc) has joined #techrights [15:07] schestowitz in the most scholarly country on the planet, denmark, you get to do this to animals [15:07] matey spaking? [15:08] schestowitz and then the government, bribed by saudi barbaria, is all fine with it [15:08] matey speaking? spanking? spaying? [15:08] schestowitz maybe the Danes should also legalise cooking your pet dog and cat [15:08] bnchs schestowitz: abuse? [15:08] bnchs is castrating a dog abuse? [15:08] schestowitz matey: I meant spanking [15:08] matey :> [15:08] schestowitz animal abuse is taken seriously here; horses, dogs, cats [15:08] schestowitz even fish! [15:08] matey in my whole life ive never heard of someone spanking a cat [15:08] bnchs i mean is neutering a dog [15:08] bnchs abuse? [15:09] matey a monkey yes, never a cat though [15:09] MinceR lol [15:09] matey i was sure you meant "speaking" [15:09] schestowitz loll [15:09] schestowitz don't spank the monkey, dear, we have guests [15:10] bnchs why would you spank a cat [15:11] matey its one of lifes little mysteries [15:11] schestowitz https://yewtu.be/watch?v=9slgiOD0VAk [15:11] TR Bot Cartman Milks a Dog Using the Red Rocket Method - SOUTH PARK - Invidious [15:12] bnchs stan milked the dog in the same room as his parents [15:12] bnchs and other guests [15:12] matey # find / | grep wayland | cat -n ; echo "done" [15:12] matey 1 /usr/local/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk3/gtk-wayland.html [15:12] matey done [15:12] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:12] matey wayland-free [15:13] bnchs nah [15:13] bnchs thats a gtk wayland doc [15:13] matey so delete it? [15:13] bnchs would you? could you? [15:13] matey okay [15:13] matey just for you [15:13] TR News Russia and SA https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220328-south-africa-skates-on-diplomatic-thin-ice-over-russia-ukraine-war [15:13] TR Bot South Africa skates on diplomatic thin ice over Russia-Ukraine war [15:13] bnchs ha that was a prank [15:13] bnchs you gonna have package conflicts for days [15:14] matey # find / | grep wayland | cat -n ; echo "done" [15:14] matey done [15:14] matey you gonna have package conflicts for days <- i doubt it [15:14] *psydruid shares the doubt [15:15] matey honestly if the system is so fragile that an html doc is vital [15:15] TR News Linux running on M1 Ultra http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162909#comment-33219 [15:15] TR Bot Asahi Linux: The Individual Users Stake in an Apple Silicon World | Tux Machines [15:15] matey it DESERVES to have package conflicts [15:15] bnchs well i dont know [15:15] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163066 [15:15] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [15:16] bnchs but doesnt it keep track of files in a package [15:16] matey /me runs yes [15:16] matey yes [15:16] matey /me runs pkg_check | grep html [15:16] matey this way if it has conflicts, i can simple touch the file thats missing [15:16] matey but i dont think it will care. [15:17] matey they arent that stupid. [15:17] matey i think sometimes apt is that stupid [15:17] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [15:17] matey usually its not that bad [15:18] TR News A laptop is cheaper, runs games too, has battery that probably lasts longer than Steam Deck's https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gG7Vx27oA0g [15:18] TR Bot Hands-on with Steam Deck accessories that will TRANSFORM your experience. - Invidious [15:18] matey "can't read /usr/local/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk3/gtk-wayland.html" [15:18] matey ^ from pkg_check [15:18] matey also found a LOT of missing icons. dont need them. [15:19] *activelow has quit (Quit: leaving) [15:20] TR News "We explore what makes NixOS so powerful, and why it might be the future of all Linux distributions. Plus we announce a community-wide NixOS challenge for the month of April." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148042/the-nixos-challenge-linux-unplugged-451/ [15:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148042/the-nixos-challenge-linux-unplugged-451/ [15:20] matey maybe polkit wont boot without an html doc :) [15:20] TR Bot The NixOS Challenge | LINUX Unplugged 451 | Jupiter Broadcasting [15:20] matey because it handles both the help features AND authentication [15:21] MinceR even if it doesn't break anything, it's going to be created again when the package containing it is upgraded [15:21] matey even if it doesn't break anything, it's going to be created again when the package containing it is upgraded <- ha, as if any update to gtk could be called an "upgrade" [15:21] MinceR :> [15:21] bnchs polkit is shit [15:21] matey but yes, if its updated i will have to delete it again [15:21] MinceR well, i mean in apt terms [15:22] matey same as the icons [15:22] matey in the meantime theyre quite useless to me [15:22] matey and really just clutter up the filesystem [15:23] TR News Why AlmaLinux Is the Distro to Beat in the CentOS Linux Replacement Arena Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163067 [15:23] TR Bot Why AlmaLinux Is the Distro to Beat in the CentOS Linux Replacement Arena | Tux Machines [15:23] TR News Best Open Source Internet Radio Player for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163068 [15:23] TR Bot Best Open Source Internet Radio Player for Linux | Tux Machines [15:25] matey i dont plan to use gtk4 for anything, except possibly a browser [15:25] *activelow (~activelow@i4i4k5b832g88.irc) has joined #techrights [15:25] bnchs gtk1? [15:25] matey maybe an image editor, thats it [15:25] bnchs i mean gtk4 [15:26] bnchs they released gtk4? [15:26] matey theres a guy who chats here that develops an application using gtk4 [15:26] matey i wont say who, he can mention it if he wants [15:26] TR News Zynq UltraScale+ gets the SiP treatment with tiny OSDZU3 module Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163069 [15:26] TR Bot Zynq UltraScale+ gets the SiP treatment with tiny OSDZU3 module | Tux Machines [15:26] matey well i say he chats, i dont know if he ever says anything [15:27] matey they released gtk4? <- im not really sure how the release schedule works [15:27] matey presumably it exists in some usable form if an application using it is presently being developed [15:27] matey you may have to compile it, i dont know the details [15:28] activelow can gtk4 be compiled without linking libgl.so locking into vendor malice? no. [15:28] bnchs activelow: opengl library? [15:29] activelow yes; gtk4 introduced a dependency against it, which cannot be removed anymore. gtk2/gtk3 was OK. [15:29] matey dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/libGL/ [15:29] bnchs its probably just a graphics backend [15:29] bnchs check if they have cairo graphics backend [15:29] matey libGL What is libGL? OpenGL-based programs must link with the libGL library.libGL implements the GLX interface as well as the main OpenGL API entrypoints. When using indirect rendering, libGL creates GLX protocol messages and sends them to the X server via a socket. When using direct rendering, libGL loads the appropriate 3D DRI driver then dispatches OpenGL library calls directly to that driver. [15:30] bnchs well opengl isnt a vendor "malice" [15:30] activelow it is. [15:30] bnchs as much as directx [15:30] bnchs or vendor proprirtary graphics interface [15:31] matey https://www.opengl.org/ The Vulkan website has a new home and look! [15:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: opengl.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.opengl.org/ [15:31] TR Bot OpenGL - The Industry Standard for High Performance Graphics [15:31] activelow thing is, gtk2/3 didn't require any libgl.so, and it was good. [15:31] matey "It has been a while in the making but we are very excited to launch the new Vulkan website to the community. Dont worry, Vulkan is still maintained and owned by The Khronos Group; we just felt that it had outgrown its old website now that it has been five years since the Vulkan 1.0 launch." [15:31] MinceR gtk3 was already garbage [15:31] matey this is vulkan bullshit [15:31] MinceR they tossed out widgets used by gimp and built half a window manager in to support waylandows with CSD [15:31] activelow and i can assure you, gtk3 is fast and stable without opengl. [15:31] bnchs "vulkan 1.0" [15:32] bnchs what do you mean by this [15:32] activelow gtk3 can be used without any GNOME desktop or wayland server; which is what i do. [15:32] matey https://github.com/KhronosGroup/ [15:32] TR Bot Khronos Group GitHub [15:32] MinceR they also tend to turn off normal window decorations and render bloated, ugly, nonfunctional crapOSesque bullshit in their place [15:32] MinceR gtk3 is an eyesore and the extra bloat is there even if you don't use it [15:32] matey mincer: did you notice kde is pushing wayland? [15:32] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [15:32] MinceR yeah [15:32] MinceR kde capitulated to gnome [15:32] matey i know [15:33] MinceR at least their waylandows implementation is less braindead [15:33] matey they should call it gde [15:33] MinceR it supports SSD instead of CSD [15:33] schestowitz-TR "hey kid, wanna try wayland?" [15:33] MinceR lol [15:33] schestowitz-TR "live cd's free.." [15:33] MinceR they shouldn't call it anything, it's going away [15:33] MinceR ibm/deadrat and gnome do not want nor need kde to exist [15:33] MinceR while the kde project decided to depend on systemd and waylandows [15:33] bnchs hey [15:33] bnchs wanna try out wayland [15:33] MinceR that's a death spiral [15:33] matey in my fork of the free software directory, kde apps are in the "who are we kidding" section [15:34] bnchs *hours later* [15:34] activelow QT4/5 _always_ required libgl.so; so i removed this years ago already. [15:34] bnchs oh you wanna record your desktop? [15:34] bnchs why the fuck would you want that [15:34] bnchs thats TOO BAD [15:34] MinceR and yeah, Qt also has half a window manager built into it for the same reason [15:34] MinceR and afaik it has gone proprietary [15:34] bnchs MinceR: like it was before [15:34] matey bnchs <- i want to understand what youre saying, but it seems like youre saying recordmydesktop (github) wont work [15:34] activelow furthermore, GTK3 did _not_ require any of the systemd/dbus stuff. could have changed meanwhile; anyway, gtk3 was OK, and it is required for Gimp which some may want to have with a linux system. [15:35] bnchs matey: im talking about screen recorders and shit like OBS [15:35] MinceR gtk2 supported gimp better than gtk3 did [15:35] matey gtk supported the gui in general better than gtk3 did [15:35] matey gnome 3 was a farce [15:35] *zleap has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [15:35] bnchs the nature of wayland is that wayland windows only have access to themselves and thats it [15:35] bnchs anything else is a black screen [15:36] activelow didn't know; yet gtk2 disappears from the gentoo tree, and is rarely used anymore. [15:36] matey thats too stupid to believe [15:36] matey i literally dont believe it [15:36] activelow i hoped for the directfb rendering backend for GTK3 was functional (it still exists), yet i didn't have any luck with it. [15:37] activelow because then gtk3 applications could have been used directly with framebuffer console, without any X11/wayland. [15:37] bnchs yeah well [15:37] matey Kooha is a simple GTK-based screen recording application for recording screens and audio from your desktop or microphone. It works in GNOME, Wayland and X11 environments which probably makes it the single Linux screen recorder with Wayland support. It uses a basic, widget-type user interface with easy-to-understand icons. [15:37] bnchs too bad [15:37] bnchs i'm oretty sure you can do opengl to framebuffer [15:37] bnchs if you want [15:38] bnchs matey: im gonna check [15:38] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [15:38] matey /me is still against wayland, simply doesnt believe it will end screen recordings [15:39] matey for one, screen recordings have not ceased to exist [15:39] matey you can still find them [15:39] matey though that isnt proof, it does suggest this is not one of waylands many faults [15:39] bnchs its actually an issue [15:39] matey if on the other hand, you can find screen recordings where many windows are blacked out [15:39] matey that is something [15:40] bnchs Currently, Wayland doesnt support screen capture with usual apps. [15:40] bnchs One of the features of Wayland is its security design, which helps to guard the user against malicious apps. Apps can no longer see everything on the screen and spy on you [15:40] matey "Screen recording software that works with Wayland ? I have been searching for a screen recorder on ubuntu 18.04 and all of them gave me black screen because they don't support wayland (i think), the only one worked was green recorder but it has no pause button and it's really hard to record tutorials without it." [15:41] matey thats from reddit [15:41] bnchs yeah [15:41] bnchs its a side effect of wayland's security design [15:41] matey so you need a wayland based screen recorder [15:41] bnchs no screen recording [15:41] matey if you want to record the screen with wayland [15:42] matey what they did was break non-wayland-based screen recorders [15:43] matey from the discord website "You can screenshare on discord on Wayland with pipewire. This can however be a little difficult to setup particularly on sway. I think the black screen is an issue with electron though i think the xdg-desktop-portal-wlr FAQ has details on this. 3. cube." [15:43] bnchs because of their securiy design [15:43] matey mmhmm [15:43] bnchs it prevents programs including screen recorders [15:43] bnchs from seeing what you do [15:43] matey from osnews [15:43] matey "The MESA drivers already have wayland specific code in them and would have included screen sharing if only wayland had specified an API for it. Nothing like being wrong. You don't in fact need a different API/ABI to the mesa one to screen capture under Wayland as application. Just you need enough privilege to get the DMA BUF of the output." [15:44] bnchs yeah [15:44] bnchs so no screen sharing [15:44] matey anyway im no fan of wayland, happy to not have it installed [15:44] bnchs this is bad for people who stream [15:44] matey as far as i know i dont have it installed [15:44] bnchs streaming games and shit [15:45] matey well personally im against kde now for the additional reason that it pushes wayland [15:45] matey i was already against it for other reasons (plural) [15:45] matey ive been against kde since 4 came out [15:45] psydruid I can understand x11 needed to be replaced but did that imply buggy Wayland implementations? [15:45] matey I can understand x11 needed to be replaced but did that imply buggy Wayland implementations? <- typically, as the industry gets worse [15:45] matey improvements get worse too [15:45] matey the problem is takeover [15:45] matey takeover is bad for upgrades and othergrades alike [15:46] matey opengl is going vulkan, i guess (im not really sure there are so many layers) [15:46] matey vulkan is github [15:46] matey libgl is opengl [15:46] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@2cz86ibfpnxa6.irc) has joined #techrights [15:46] matey so presumably libgl will be github even though libgl is developed elsewhere [15:47] TR News Just realised that at my desk I have six cameras pointing right at me, webcams but most of them covered with tape [15:47] matey just as harfbuzz is github and required by gnu emacs (unless you use the text only version) [15:47] matey i think harfbuzz comes with gnome but im not certain [15:48] schestowitz-TR psydruid: I don't know xorg code [15:48] schestowitz-TR I hear it is good code [15:48] matey its not great [15:48] schestowitz-TR much stuff was written for it or with it in mine [15:48] schestowitz-TR you say it needs replacing [15:48] bnchs matey: harfbuzz is for shit like arabic [15:48] schestowitz-TR I never saw compelling reasons. They mention mobile and memory and all [15:48] bnchs i dont know why would emacs require it [15:48] schestowitz-TR do they REALISE how much RAM mobiles have today??? [15:49] matey matey: harfbuzz is for shit like arabic <- if thats your argument you might as well throw out unicode too [15:49] schestowitz-TR Even low end 'smart' phones have more than my laptops' [15:49] matey harfbuzz is definitely about more than which direction text goes in [15:49] bnchs no [15:49] bnchs harfbuzz is for languages that like to mergr characters together [15:50] matey lots of languages like to merge characters together [15:50] bnchs and rtl and maybe overlays [15:50] matey i believe this includes kanji [15:50] schestowitz-TR I could write arabic befor [15:50] schestowitz-TR (forgot it though... can releard fast) [15:51] schestowitz-TR (relearn) [15:51] schestowitz-TR matey: arabic is a very useful language, very widely used [15:51] schestowitz-TR harfbuzz I know little about [15:51] schestowitz-TR is there a competiting lib without shitlab? [15:51] matey probably not [15:52] matey though if you dont use the gui you can stay harfbuzz free :) [15:52] matey note i have at least one program that does use the gui [15:52] schestowitz-TR wait, no [15:52] matey i have two instances of it open next to this window [15:52] matey and its my own program [15:52] schestowitz-TR even in the cli you can combine letters [15:52] schestowitz-TR assuming unicide [15:52] matey however it doesnt use harfbuzz [15:53] schestowitz-TR aarabic with letters isolated does not look "right" [15:53] matey even in the cli you can combine letters <- im not sure this is accurate but it IS what i was saying before [15:53] matey in other words i think it may be accurate. [15:53] matey i couldnt tell you how though [15:53] schestowitz-TR so one option is to compel the package to move to its own hosting [15:53] Ariadne i had to touch a windows 11 computer today [15:54] schestowitz-TR another is wait for Microsoft/ShitHub to collapse [15:54] Ariadne what the hell happened there [15:54] schestowitz-TR another is, find a better/othr lib [15:54] matey stackoverflow.com/questions/2224772/whats-the-unicode-glyph-used-to-indicate-combining-characters [15:54] schestowitz-TR Ariadne: I did on Saturday [15:54] schestowitz-TR I was astounded [15:54] schestowitz-TR it's worse than Vista [15:54] bnchs ariadne: wash your hands [15:54] matey another is, find a better/othr lib <- the fact that emacs users pull it in is unfortunate [15:54] matey funnily enough the harfbuzz author openly hates microsoft [15:54] schestowitz-TR uglier, slower, more oppressive [15:54] matey and yet moved his library to github. go figure. [15:54] bnchs you might spread advertatis to your file manager [15:55] schestowitz-TR matey: what year/ [15:55] schestowitz-TR maybe stockholm [15:55] schestowitz-TR I had stockholm with SUSE for a year or two [15:55] schestowitz-TR stockholm syndrome [15:55] schestowitz-TR I did not delete SUSE right away [15:55] matey bonus: harfbuzz is both github and an anti-rms signer [15:55] schestowitz-TR I decommissioned that machine when I next set up my workstation [15:55] Ariadne bnchs: strangely i have plenty of other proprietary UNIX machines [15:56] Ariadne none of which have advertisements in their file managers [15:56] schestowitz-TR and require email/microsoft account to start [15:56] schestowitz-TR to log in [15:56] schestowitz-TR no login, no sign in [15:56] schestowitz-TR and cortana [15:56] schestowitz-TR you turn on a machine and it talks/records [15:56] schestowitz-TR without consent [15:56] bnchs ariadne: yeah but [15:56] MinceR https://existentialcomics.com/comic/438 [15:56] schestowitz-TR prior to any EULA [15:56] TR Bot Utilitarian Strategies - Existential Comics [15:56] bnchs they will [15:57] bnchs if you dont wash your hands [15:57] Ariadne i mean, they won't, because that will require those companies to still exist [15:57] Ariadne SGI isn't coming back from the dead [15:57] schestowitz-TR i thought SGI is still 'aloive' [15:57] schestowitz-TR not the company per se [15:57] schestowitz-TR the engineers flocked to the GPU companies [15:57] Ariadne part of HPE now i guess [15:58] schestowitz-TR so SGI work, talent, staff moved to the home market [15:58] bnchs sgi brought us opengl [15:58] psydruid and xfs [15:58] bnchs microsoft didnt bring us directx (atleast in open standard) [15:58] bnchs nor their ntfs [15:58] schestowitz-TR I am not sure if ATI or NVIDIA were partly created by laid off or diaspora of SGI staff [15:59] Ariadne i guess my mac could metastasize an advertisement or two [15:59] *Despatche (~desp@u3xy9z2ifjzci.irc) has joined #techrights [15:59] schestowitz https://www.eetimes.com/sgi-graphics-team-moves-to-nvidia/ [15:59] schestowitz https://www.eetimes.com/sgi-restructures-graphics-team-to-join-nvidia/ [15:59] Ariadne don't think my alpine or fedora machines (running KDE) would ever gain any adverts [15:59] matey matey: what year/ <- pull requests date back to feb 2013 so this suggests that its been there for a while [15:59] bnchs sgi's opengl is very useful [15:59] schestowitz killed by Microsoft mole [15:59] schestowitz like HP ● Mar 28 [16:00] bnchs and way better than directx [16:00] schestowitz and Nokia [16:00] matey issues are unreliable for dating migrations-- ive seen issues dating back to before github existed [16:00] schestowitz https://www.theregister.com/2006/05/13/sgi_belluzzo/ [16:00] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2006/05/13/sgi_belluzzo/ [16:00] schestowitz belluzzo [16:00] Ariadne bnchs: comparing directx and opengl is comparing apples to oranges [16:00] bnchs direct3d [16:00] Ariadne direct3d is more like Clutter [16:00] schestowitz Andrew Orlowski [16:00] schestowitz psydruid: knows belluzzo [16:00] *TechrightsBot-tr has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:01] Ariadne there is direct3d "direct" mode, that is like opengl, but that's only since direct3d 9 or so [16:01] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/05/04/stephen-elop-and-richard-belluzzo/ https://techrights.org/2013/12/31/microsoft-moles/ [16:01] *TechrightsBot-tr (~TR@ju4kayhrhsm6a.irc) has joined #techrights [16:01] TechrightsBot-tr Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77 [16:01] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2011/05/04/stephen-elop-and-richard-belluzzo/ https://techrights.org/2013/12/31/microsoft-moles/ [16:01] TR Bot Microsofts Elop is Like Rick Belluzzo Hijacks Nokia, Sells to Microsoft, Then Exits | Techrights [16:01] TR Bot Belluzzo and Elop Became Synonymous With Microsoft Moles That Destroy | Techrights [16:01] matey U+034F is the "combining grapheme joiner" (CGJ) and has no visible glyph. Codepoints U+035C-0362 are double diacritics, diacritic signs placed across two letters. [16:03] TR News Videos/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, Steam Deck, Free Software Security on Back Doors in Microsofts NPM, and GNU World Order Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163070 [16:03] TR Bot Videos/Shows: LINUX Unplugged, Steam Deck, Free Software Security on Back Doors in Microsoft's NPM, and GNU World Order | Tux Machines [16:03] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:03] TR News Bullshit buzzwords something something cars... blah blah blah... journalism dead. https://www.maketecheasier.com/5g-cars/ [16:03] TR Bot 5G Becoming Increasingly More Important to Cars - Make Tech Easier [16:03] matey misnomer, it doesnt do what the name implies ^ [16:04] matey The Combining Grapheme Joiner isn't actually a joiner, more like a separator [16:04] matey /me is so glad unicode makes sense [16:04] activelow another one: i am missing two minor packages inside the no-c++ base system of BaphometOS, packages which require CMake (and with it forbidden c++); and there seems no fast and easy way to migrate a cmake project to ordinary make [16:04] activelow and the generated make files from cmake are cluttered [16:06] TR News First batch of KVM patches for 5.18 https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220321173215.2824704-1-pbonzini@redhat.com/ [16:06] TR Bot [GIT PULL] First batch of KVM patches for 5.18 - Paolo Bonzini [16:07] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [16:07] bnchs 5g is important to cars [16:07] bnchs like really important [16:07] bnchs because we need to know where you are [16:07] XRevan86 "and there seems no fast and easy way to migrate a cmake project to ordinary make" <- This phrase belongs in a museum. [16:07] XRevan86 matey: ^ [16:08] bnchs cmake is shit [16:08] TR News Microsoft is crime http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220 [16:08] TR Bot Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines [16:08] bnchs meson doesnt require c+j [16:08] bnchs c++* [16:08] XRevan86 (not the point) [16:09] TR News [GIT PULL] Power management updates for v5.18-rc1 - Rafael J. Wysocki https://lore.kernel.org/linux-acpi/CAJZ5v0i+dDvX2J7CHfawmFXynifkNZ-0ZHYnraYv-HYJN5bdbA@mail.gmail.com/ Source: kernel | linux | mail [16:09] TR Bot [GIT PULL] Power management updates for v5.18-rc1 - Rafael J. Wysocki [16:09] activelow XRevan86: i should have said automake/autotools instead; migrating cmake to automake [16:09] activelow anyway, c++ dependency of CMake is the point with it; [16:09] bnchs yeah [16:09] bnchs use meson [16:10] bnchs it does require python [16:10] bnchs which only requires c9o [16:10] bnchs c99* [16:10] activelow bnchs: ninja too requires c++; however, someone re-implemented it as samurai, which saved BaphometOS [16:10] TR News [GIT PULL] hardening updates for v5.18-rc1 - Kees Cook https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/202203210755.C56A4CD5@keescook/ Source: keescook | linux | kernel | hacking [16:10] TR Bot [GIT PULL] hardening updates for v5.18-rc1 - Kees Cook [16:10] bnchs yeah [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [16:10] bnchs samurai+meson [16:11] XRevan86 activelow: Doesn't even matter, building scripts can get very complex, a trivial way of migrating is as possible as making a migration from Java to Raku. [16:11] matey [16:11] bnchs activelow: tell me whats baphometOS [16:11] matey its his distribution [16:11] matey very minimalist [16:11] matey strips the need for c++ out [16:12] activelow among other things [16:12] matey older version of linux kernel, older version of gcc [16:12] matey because newest ones require c++ for bootstrapping the c compiler [16:12] matey plus it strips out things that require non-free gpus [16:12] activelow kernel v5.10; i won't bother with patching away C11 from any later kernel version for a while [16:13] schestowitz bnchs: https://mesonbuild.com/Getting-meson.html [16:13] TR Bot Getting Meson [16:13] bnchs i'm gonna write my program in C+J [16:13] schestowitz "Meson releases can be downloaded from the GitHub release page, and you can run ./meson.py from inside a release or the git repository itself without doing anything special." [16:13] psydruid [16:13] schestowitz That's how I remembered it [16:13] bnchs c++ [16:13] bnchs schestowitz: damn it [16:13] matey psydruid: im testing graphemes in programs i know dont support harfbuzz [16:13] schestowitz c=c++; printf(c) [16:13] matey including my editor (tk doesnt use harfbuzz) [16:14] matey the problem is, i dont know how to test grapheme output, so im guessing based on the dearth of understandable information online [16:14] schestowitz bnchs: do you still use your own editor? [16:14] schestowitz it runs on my debian 10 box [16:14] activelow btw. BaphometOS isn't as minimal as some might expect; because the entire gentoo tooling is available, including crossdev,catalyst,portage [16:14] bnchs what editor? [16:15] matey i think hes having autocomplete issues again [16:15] psydruid [16:15] schestowitz he wrote one [16:15] schestowitz you ca chain it with ii to make it an irc client in one day's work [16:15] matey psydruid <- no harfbuzz [16:16] bnchs matey: thats because harfbuzz just combines arabic characters [16:16] matey thats copied from irc to xterm to an editor with no harfbuzz then copied back to irc [16:16] matey bnchs: i dont understand [16:16] Ariadne its a rendering thing [16:16] psydruid ah, some characters disappear [16:16] matey ah, some characters disappear <- good to know, not surprising [16:16] matey i wouldnt have noticed [16:17] matey squiggly languages are not my friend [16:17] psydruid in this case [16:17] schestowitz i did notice [16:17] matey arabic is one of MANY [16:17] schestowitz two at least [16:17] psydruid too [16:17] schestowitz [16:17] matey there are plenty of asian countries with some very obscure squiggly languages most people havent even heard of [16:18] schestowitz [16:18] matey the problem is, i cant tell one squiggle from another [16:18] Ariadne yeah please don't do that [16:18] Ariadne it makes screen readers die [16:18] matey nice of unicode to break text forever [16:18] Ariadne MATHEMATICAL CONSTANT T [16:18] matey i mean, its a good idea [16:18] matey the implementation is a bit of a cyberweapon [16:18] Ariadne yes text is bad [16:19] Ariadne computers are also bad [16:19] matey computers are annoying [16:19] Ariadne i've just stopped caring and have learned to pet goats instead [16:19] matey goats used to be considered evil. that was before unicode though. [16:19] matey goats are the lesser evil now. [16:20] bnchs Ariadne: how does text readers read this [16:20] matey /me has only met nice goats personally [16:20] Ariadne bnchs: dunno, don't have any enabled on this machine [16:20] bnchs _\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\ [16:20] Ariadne o [16:20] bnchs under score back slash [16:20] Ariadne yes [16:20] Ariadne like that [16:20] Ariadne usualy [16:21] Ariadne apple's voiceover has some algorithm where it figures out its being trolled and stops reading that crap [16:21] Ariadne windows narrator, is well, a microsoft product, so i'm sure it's terrible [16:22] matey or it became terrible after they purchased it [16:22] bnchs yeah and this [16:22] bnchs w_\ [16:22] bnchs double u under score back slash [16:22] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:23] TR News Get rid of annoying Polkit password prompts https://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/26061/home-use-only-get-rid-of-annoying-polkit-password-prompts [16:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: commandlinefu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/26061/home-use-only-get-rid-of-annoying-polkit-password-prompts [16:23] TR Bot HOME USE ONLY: Get rid of annoying Polkit password prompts Using find, sed, sudo [16:23] bnchs what if it reads double u under score back slash many times [16:26] bnchs theres many text readers (or text to speech) [16:26] bnchs that dont give a shit about what they're reading [16:26] matey that dont give a shit about what they're reading <- theyre probably used less by people who need a good one [16:27] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163071 [16:27] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [16:27] matey of course you could write some kind of algorithim to put between those and whats being read [16:27] matey thats the nice thing about algorithms [16:28] bnchs especially when they're used for reading donation messages [16:28] bnchs does it know when its reading an offensive message [16:28] bnchs like "hitler did nothing wrong" [16:29] Ariadne i dont think so :P [16:29] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [16:30] bnchs or maybe glass of juice [16:37] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [16:40] schestowitz-TR germany almost ran out of juice [16:40] schestowitz-TR then he died [16:41] schestowitz-TR btw, twitter is crap when it comes to moderation [16:41] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [16:41] schestowitz-TR they just run word counters [16:41] schestowitz-TR like mention "5g" and something "covid" [16:42] schestowitz-TR or bill gates and "patents" [16:42] schestowitz-TR then you're in trouble [16:42] schestowitz-TR of "memphis" [16:42] schestowitz-TR companies are cheap [16:42] schestowitz-TR they outsource development [16:42] schestowitz-TR they outsource censorship [16:42] schestowitz-TR or try to automate it [16:42] schestowitz-TR and if they get it wrong, it's still economically "OK" [16:42] schestowitz-TR "worth the savings" [16:43] schestowitz-TR twitter sometimes bans people who speak back to nazis [16:43] schestowitz-TR and the nazis get a laugh [16:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [16:43] matey thats the thing about playing hero with bullies and their victims [16:44] matey the bullies can exploit the efforts to be a hero as well [16:44] *bnchs (~bnchs@iz5z6vz2495by.irc) has joined #techrights [16:44] matey this is why every coc is doomed to be a catastrophe [16:44] schestowitz-TR norbert said "did it again" [16:44] schestowitz-TR that was misinterpreted [16:44] schestowitz-TR by a person whose first language is not english [16:44] schestowitz-TR it was seen as misgendering [16:44] schestowitz-TR but "it" meant trolling [16:45] schestowitz-TR when picking on ted tso [16:45] schestowitz-TR after doing linux [16:45] schestowitz-TR trying to cancel him and failing [16:45] schestowitz-TR ?*linus [16:45] matey i know tso was cancelled (or they tried) [16:45] schestowitz-TR and later they wonder why he quit debian [16:45] matey but i didnt know it was for misgendering [16:45] schestowitz-TR after domition to DM [16:45] schestowitz-TR he's in archlinuc now [16:45] schestowitz-TR *archlinux [16:46] schestowitz-TR matey: you got it wrong, let me clarify what happened [16:46] matey good [16:46] schestowitz-TR tso wrote many years ago about rape statistics [16:46] matey oh boy [16:46] schestowitz-TR many many years later a shit developer from intel used that [16:46] schestowitz-TR to scare tso [16:46] schestowitz-TR remember tso is right up there with greg kh [16:46] schestowitz-TR I think dev #3 [16:46] matey he was [16:46] schestowitz-TR so norbert saw it [16:46] schestowitz-TR and he said the troll did it again... tso after linus [16:46] matey gkh is more of a "team player" with "teams" like gafam [16:46] schestowitz-TR that was then spun as intolerance [16:47] schestowitz-TR to me, the intolerance was the trolling [16:47] schestowitz-TR aiming at high-profile longtime linux devs [16:47] matey it can be [16:47] schestowitz-TR who literally put together extX [16:47] matey like i said earlier, feminism isnt a problem [16:47] matey weaponising feminism against certain things is a problem [16:48] TR News This is a self-selecting survey, so it'll never be accurate or anywhere near complete https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/update-pc-info-202203/ [16:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/update-pc-info-202203/ [16:48] TR Bot Update your PC info for the next round of statistics updates | GamingOnLinux [16:48] bnchs cancel culture is retarded [16:48] matey 15:44 the bullies can exploit the efforts to be a hero as well [16:48] matey 15:44 this is why every coc is doomed to be a catastrophe [16:48] bnchs the whole point of it is isolating someone because they had a different opinion [16:48] bnchs instead of being mature [16:49] schestowitz-TR the opinion can predate the coc [16:49] schestowitz-TR and also ignore social dynamics [16:49] matey of coruse [16:49] schestowitz-TR like views on some diversity issue 20 years ago [16:49] matey hey you were intolerant of something in 1982 [16:49] schestowitz-TR so you are accountable for things said when the majority of society was polled as thinking the same way [16:49] matey and that makes some people uncomfortable [16:49] matey and youll have to leave [16:49] matey "i started this project" [16:49] matey doesnt matter! rules are rules [16:50] matey you can start your OWN project [16:50] matey "but it..." [16:50] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [16:50] matey its so stupid [16:50] bnchs COCs can make people self-censor [16:50] bnchs and be afraid of what to say [16:50] matey can <- do [16:51] TR News "ICYMI: we're close to 2,000 titles rated either Verified or Playable." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/100-orange-juice-gets-steam-deck-verified-thanks-to-supporting-steam-input/ [16:51] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/100-orange-juice-gets-steam-deck-verified-thanks-to-supporting-steam-input/ [16:51] TR Bot Orange Juice gets Steam Deck Verified thanks to supporting Steam Input | GamingOnLinux [16:51] bnchs and whether to say it [16:51] matey yeah i didnt want to go to libreplanet even before cocs were a thing [16:51] matey the policy just seemed too... [16:51] matey but i was SURE i was overreacting [16:51] matey and then they cancelled rms and i was like [16:51] matey welp, guess i was right [16:51] bnchs self-censoring is the point of COC [16:51] *Digit (~user@user/digit) has joined #techrights [16:51] TR News Portal 2: Desolation is looking great in the graphics overhaul | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/portal-2-desolation-is-looking-great-in-the-graphics-overhaul/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [16:51] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/portal-2-desolation-is-looking-great-in-the-graphics-overhaul/ [16:51] TR Bot 2: Desolation is looking great in the graphics overhaul | GamingOnLinux [16:51] bnchs it scares people [16:52] matey self-censorship is the point of censorship [16:52] schestowitz-TR tso opposes ms file systems in linux [16:52] schestowitz-TR but did not say enough [16:52] matey youre always expected to help them do it [16:52] schestowitz-TR that was years ago [16:52] schestowitz-TR when they pushed exfat into linux [16:52] schestowitz-TR not extX [16:52] schestowitz-TR exFAT [16:52] schestowitz-TR with patents [16:52] schestowitz-TR tso spoke out [16:52] schestowitz-TR it was not enough [16:52] schestowitz-TR everyone looking at each other in the room [16:52] Digit hey, uh, i dont suppose the techrights guy/team have assembled a team to take over joindiaspora have they? & [16:52] bnchs schestowitz: just implement fat32 only [16:52] matey at least he didnt say microsoft patents on twitter [16:52] schestowitz-TR "Can we SAY that?" [16:52] schestowitz-TR Welcome COC [16:52] bnchs exFAT is useless [16:52] schestowitz-TR the silent dictator [16:53] bnchs COC makes you say "can we say that" [16:53] bnchs having a different opinion is bad [16:53] matey it is a lot harder to say anything with a coc in your mouth. [16:54] schestowitz-TR obedient society [16:54] bnchs yeah and the only way is to keep sucking it [16:54] schestowitz-TR "better say nothing" [16:54] schestowitz-TR "it might offend some companies" [16:54] schestowitz-TR Microsoft is criminal [16:55] schestowitz-TR can I say that? [16:55] schestowitz-TR no. [16:55] schestowitz-TR it's worse than bribing [16:55] matey linus torvalds won his own "dick sucking contest" (his words) [16:55] schestowitz-TR "you are fired" [16:55] schestowitz-TR "For speaking about our crimes" [16:55] schestowitz-TR matey: no, he lost [16:55] schestowitz-TR the crap ended up in the kernel [16:55] schestowitz-TR and now Microsoft pretends "secure" boot is "accepted" by Linux [16:55] matey what i mean is, he ended up submitting [16:55] schestowitz-TR there were antitrust complaints [16:56] schestowitz-TR ICBM (well, Red Crap back then) helped thwart these [16:56] schestowitz-TR like Go-OO doing OOXML [16:56] bnchs yes [16:57] bnchs you cant speak out against microsoft [16:57] bnchs because you'll get kicked out [16:57] schestowitz-TR btw, a lot of linus jokes are finnish culturally [16:57] bnchs suck the dick if you want to contribute to linux kernel [16:57] schestowitz-TR he should make a CoC complaints [16:57] schestowitz-TR for people rejecting his culture [16:57] schestowitz-TR that's intolerant [16:57] matey once youre branded, youre denied protection [16:58] matey because you could "abuse the system" against your attackers the way they did against you [16:58] matey rule #1 of cancel culture is youre not allowed to win [16:58] schestowitz-TR "eversism" [16:58] schestowitz-TR the troll calls it [16:58] schestowitz-TR in the gnome coc iirc [16:58] schestowitz-TR "no reversism" [16:58] schestowitz-TR I can say "fuck all men" [16:58] bnchs reversism is racist [16:58] schestowitz-TR but they cannot say the opposite [16:58] bnchs and sexism [16:58] schestowitz-TR and they don't mean fuck _literally [16:58] bnchs but they deny it [16:58] matey it used to be called hypocrisy [16:58] schestowitz-TR but the coc says [16:58] schestowitz-TR no reverism [16:59] schestowitz-TR or something similar to that [16:59] bnchs "oh its not racist nor sexist because they're BAD" [16:59] schestowitz-TR the claim of parity two-ways [16:59] bnchs they're rapists [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 48.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 303.98 [16:59] matey now its "reversism" which is holding things to their own standards [16:59] schestowitz-TR it's about who shoots first [16:59] bnchs white men are big rapists [16:59] schestowitz-TR like a literal ICBM [16:59] matey maklunky shot first [16:59] schestowitz-TR it's a huge advantage to be first to launch [16:59] schestowitz-TR esp. if the enemy is not on high alert with warheads PRE-loaded ● Mar 28 [17:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2015/10/07/forking-with-hypocrisy/ [17:00] TR Bot Hypocrite Forks the Linux Kernel Because of Cultural Characteristics That He Himself is Guilty of | Techrights [17:00] bnchs reverism [17:00] schestowitz by the time you respond [17:00] matey forking hypocrites [17:00] schestowitz there are already 15 articles [17:00] schestowitz calling you names [17:00] bnchs reversism is in itself racist and sexist concet [17:01] bnchs they should get rid of it [17:01] matey just get rid of gnome [17:01] matey solve more than one problem at once [17:01] schestowitz http://www.networkworld.com/article/2988850/opensource-subnet/linux-kernel-dev-sarah-sharp-quits-citing-brutal-communications-style.html [17:01] TR Bot Linux community acts after years of complaints like Sarah Sharp's | Network World [17:01] schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/06/linix_kernel_dev_who_asked_linus_torvalds_to_stop_swearing_quits_over_swearing/ [17:01] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/06/linix_kernel_dev_who_asked_linus_torvalds_to_stop_swearing_quits_over_swearing/ [17:01] TR Bot Linux kernel dev who asked Linus Torvalds to stop verbal abuse quits over verbal abuse The Register [17:01] bnchs its no longer "everyone's equal" [17:01] schestowitz http://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-developer-who-took-on-linus-torvalds-over-abuse-quits-toxic-kernel-community/ [17:01] TR Bot developer who took on Linus Torvalds over abuse quits 'toxic' kernel community | ZDNet [17:01] schestowitz brutal [17:01] schestowitz toxic [17:01] schestowitz abuse [17:01] bnchs its "some people are equaler than others" [17:01] schestowitz too late, linus, better not respond [17:02] schestowitz take cover, he's a table, duck [17:02] matey its "some people are equaler than others" <- [17:02] schestowitz *here's [17:02] matey of course you cant say that, because its only true in the context youre saying it in [17:02] matey theres SOME OTHER CONTEXT where youre completely wrong [17:02] matey that means youre wrong [17:02] matey so you cant say it [17:03] matey its totally fair to be totally unfair if theres some other context where it all works out and comes out even [17:03] matey maybe its collective guilt, but thats just a detail [17:03] *schestowitz-TR waits for first CoC complaint for food at some LF conference not being halal [17:03] bnchs schestowitz-TR: alcohol is haram [17:03] matey /me bets it wont be a muslim who makes the complaint [17:04] bnchs dont put alcohol [17:04] bnchs no no no pork??? [17:04] bnchs dont put ham sandwichs [17:04] schestowitz https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9070197/Jordan-Henderson-says-champagne-sprayed-Liverpools-Premier-League-trophy-lift-non-alcoholic.html [17:04] Alternative link Cloudflare: dailymail.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9070197/Jordan-Henderson-says-champagne-sprayed-Liverpools-Premier-League-trophy-lift-non-alcoholic.html [17:04] TR Bot Jordan Henderson says champagne sprayed in Liverpool's Premier League trophy lift was non-alcoholic | Daily Mail Online [17:04] schestowitz "omg, I felty so violeted" [17:04] matey you can go to muslim-ownen groceries IN PAKISTAN and buy pork [17:04] schestowitz I was touched by some alcohol [17:05] matey its in a separate section of the store of course [17:05] schestowitz I wonder who made the complaint to even lead to that [17:05] bnchs omg theres alcohol [17:05] matey and muslims do not buyu it [17:05] bnchs im making complains [17:05] schestowitz they buy it [17:05] matey but not everyone who shops there is muslim [17:05] bnchs matey: thats true [17:05] schestowitz but quietly [17:05] schestowitz even in saudi arabia [17:05] schestowitz and do coke, too [17:06] bnchs you're also wrong in muslims not buying it [17:06] bnchs they buy it secretly [17:06] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:06] matey i mean the observant ones [17:06] bnchs why else our streets be filled with empty wine bottles [17:06] bnchs and shit [17:06] schestowitz you just give them one more thing to get in trouble for [17:06] schestowitz like, if they're a journalism [17:06] schestowitz you can arrest them for something like sharing it [17:06] schestowitz or just use that t discredit them [17:07] schestowitz like if they flew somewhere and had a glass of wine on the plane [17:07] schestowitz and someone across the aisle saw it [17:07] bnchs kosher foods [17:07] bnchs halal foods [17:07] bnchs vegan foods [17:07] schestowitz "sure, he exposed corruption, but he's immoral, I saw him telling the flight attendant when asked what drink he want a can of beer" [17:08] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/ [17:08] TR Bot People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because Its Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | Techrights [17:08] schestowitz zemlin: [17:08] schestowitz i'm all about tolerance [17:08] schestowitz I married an indian [17:08] schestowitz but I ban arab countries [17:08] schestowitz that's cool [17:08] schestowitz because trump told me to [17:09] schestowitz alrighty, mr. zemlin, tell shiela that';s OK [17:09] schestowitz and persians will stilll be banned from LF projects [17:09] schestowitz soooooo "OPEN" [17:09] schestowitz *sheeela [17:10] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:10] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [17:11] TR News Games: Steam Deck, Portal 2: Desolation, Slay the Spire, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163072 [17:11] TR Bot Games: Steam Deck, Portal 2: Desolation, Slay the Spire, and More | Tux Machines [17:11] schestowitz to be clear [17:11] schestowitz this isn't about nationality [17:11] schestowitz it's racism [17:11] schestowitz it is about race [17:11] schestowitz as people reported that for merely visiting a dying parent or grandparent in iran they'd get flagged and banned [17:11] schestowitz after coming back home to canada or eu or whatnot [17:12] schestowitz this is what LF supports [17:12] schestowitz racism [17:12] schestowitz you are persian [17:12] schestowitz hence you are unwanted [17:12] schestowitz but we are all about I&D [17:12] schestowitz not improvised $xplosive Device [17:12] schestowitz Inclusion and Diversityy [17:12] schestowitz unlike ICBM [17:12] schestowitz that literally does the nukes of the USA [17:12] schestowitz They are tolerant [17:12] schestowitz we are racist [17:13] schestowitz they ban russians [17:13] schestowitz we don't [17:13] schestowitz they lobe ukraine [17:13] schestowitz it's a big client [17:13] schestowitz lots of weapon contracts [17:13] schestowitz they are tolerant [17:13] schestowitz communities are disgusting [17:13] psydruid we advocate Inclusion & Diversity for countries we want to bomb [17:13] schestowitz they welcome everyone EVEN LITERALLY HITLER!! [17:14] psydruid no country should be left behind [17:14] schestowitz behind, like the napalm bomb [17:14] schestowitz plane drops the fireload [17:14] schestowitz no asian left behind [17:15] schestowitz well, not for long [17:15] schestowitz their epidermis is up in flames [17:15] *schestowitz claps for James and Sheela [17:15] schestowitz MOAR military contracts, sir [17:16] TR News The Nazi "evil twin" of Pegasus/NSO Group (Gamma) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-28/spyware-vendor-finfisher-claims-insolvency-amid-investigation [17:16] TR Bot - Are you a robot? [17:18] TR News FinFisher GmbH "Insolvency"... aka we're going to change name and operate through some other shell... like your Berlin falafel shop 'shutting down', filing for bankruptcy, changing name, and then starting afresh [17:19] TR News Spyware businesses thriving. Malware makers HIRING. Join Team Evil. Buy a big house. Expose them? Vault 7? WATCH OUT! Look what happened to Julian Assange. Participate in the crime! OR ELSE: http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220 [17:19] TR Bot Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines [17:20] TR News Microsoft: we'll get you in trouble for NOT joining our orgies: http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/ [17:20] TR Bot Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | Techrights [17:22] TR News A VPN for #KeepItOn: How tech can mitigate internet shutdowns | TechRadar https://www.techradar.com/vpn/a-vpn-for-keepiton-how-tech-can-mitigate-internet-shutdowns Source: techradar [17:22] TR Bot VPN for #KeepItOn: How tech can mitigate internet shutdowns | TechRadar [17:24] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 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Apparently Im old enough that my eyes are losing their ability to focus at different distances to having different glasses for close and remote objects (EG reading and driving) is necessary for good vision." https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/28/reading-glasses/ [17:34] TR Bot Reading Glasses etbe - Russell Coker [17:36] TR News 'FOSSlife' Team is amplifying ANTI-FOSS FUD, shifting blame/culpability for malware sent by Microsoft... blaming "open source" instead https://www.fosslife.org/threat-open-source-protestware [17:36] TR Bot The Threat of Open Source Protestware [17:37] *SkywaveC3 has quit (connection closed) [17:37] *SkywaveC3 (~SkywaveC3@sctsjmg96zkru.irc) has joined #techrights [17:38] *SkywaveC3 has quit (Quit) [17:38] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@4qc3338mpcm6n.irc) has joined #techrights [17:39] TR News Let's hear it, folks... how Microsoft shipping MALWARE to millions of machines is the fault of "Open Source". Give it up for... Bill Gates-funded 'journalists'....https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.php [17:39] TR Bot Journalisms Gates keepers - Columbia Journalism Review [17:40] TR News Microsoft keeps concern-trolling those whom it PRETENDS to "love" [17:41] *techrights-news has quit (Received malformed line) [17:43] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [17:43] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [17:43] TR News "Besides I really love that old thing. It's slow, of course, and I've had some very frustrating experiences with it for things that should be common use cases. Immense lag when scrolling through an .odt document that contains pictures, for example." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-28-paring-down-computer-power.gmi [17:44] schestowitz " [17:44] schestowitz Today I tried using infrared between my HP-49+ and my Palm IIIxe. I also grabbed my IrDA dongle identifying as a Kingsun KS-959. Tried plugging it first into my recent Windows 10 (also turns out my version of Win 10 no longer has irmon, but earlier ones did have)." gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-03-28-irda.gmi [17:46] *techrights-news has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:46] *techrights-news (~techrights-news@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [17:47] TR News "I dont understand the obsession with qualified supreme court justices. I dont care about qualifications, I care about a judges ideological leanings. You dont even need to be a lawyer to be a Supreme Court Justice." gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi [17:48] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights ● Mar 28 [18:01] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:05] TR News Links 28/03/2022: Best KDE Distros and Feren OS 2022.03 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/feren-os-2022-03/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/feren-os-2022-03/ [18:05] TR Bot Links 28/03/2022: Best KDE Distros and Feren OS 2022.03 | Techrights [18:07] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [18:09] TR News Hey, dude... Daniel... your project depends on Microsoft proprietary software https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/what-curl-expects-from-dependencies/ [18:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/what-curl-expects-from-dependencies/ [18:09] TR Bot curl expects from dependencies | daniel.haxx.se [18:11] *matey has quit (connection closed) [18:14] TR News This seems to be webspam, but I'll bite. No, these are SURVEILLANCE "apps" (up your arse to spy on your BODY) and they won't improve your life, that's just how spies try to advertise them in recent year, esp. during COVID crisis. "For your SAFETY!!" https://medevel.com/can-health-apps-help-people-in-real-life/ [18:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/can-health-apps-help-people-in-real-life/ [18:14] TR Bot Can Health Apps Help People in Real Life? How Health Apps Promote Health and Wellness [18:15] TR News Did American boycott Beijing Olympics because China had invaded Iraq? [18:16] TR News ICBM Red Hat has used this stock photography many dozens of times in articles about programming. I do honestly wonder how many black ladies Red Hat EVER hired as programmers. (Because to Red Hat it's all about optics/PR/perception) https://opensource.com/article/22/3/simplify-java-persistence-implementation-kotlin-quarkus [18:16] TR Bot Java persistence implementation with Kotlin on Quarkus | Opensource.com [18:17] TR News ICBM Red Hat: "Our team maintains an example CRUD application on GitHub..." Facepalm, you outsource to criminals, it is proprietary software, and to participate I'd need to open an account with criminals https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/28/simplify-secure-connections-postgresql-databases-nodejs [18:17] TR Bot Simplify secure connections to PostgreSQL databases with Node.js | Red Hat Developer [18:18] *inky (~inky@178.78.135.57) has joined #techrights [18:19] *matey (~matey@r8dui6smnhchc.irc) has joined #techrights [18:19] matey mincer: http://web.archive.org/web/20051228121907/http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfresponse.php [18:19] TR Bot K Desktop Environment - KDE "Official" Response to GNOME Foundation [18:19] matey Q: "How much does creation of GNOME Foundation affect KDE development?" [18:19] matey A: "As much as the birth of the last baby polar bear at the Quebec City Zoo" [18:20] schestowitz-TR 'GNOME' Foundationb [18:20] schestowitz-TR 'G'NOME Foundation [18:20] schestowitz-TR No Foundation [18:20] schestowitz-TR GAFAM Foundry [18:20] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:20] matey While the charter for the Foundation only specifies controlling GNOME standards, we realize that there is a temptation to think that they might also try to control and define the mythical "Linux Desktop Standard". The lack of an "Official Standard" is a hot-topic and when journalists see large corporations backing an existing project, claims of GNOME becoming the standard are never far behind. [18:21] matey good lord were they mistaken [18:21] matey "BSD/Linux users tend to resent "standards" being force-fed on them by either corporations or the media. We'll use what we want, thank you." [18:21] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [18:22] matey :) "Open Source developers very rarely work on projects because of corporate backing and sometimes will not work on them due to it. The size of the wallets of a project's corporate backers mean nothing to somebody who is not getting paid and is working for the pure joy of programming." [18:22] matey another era or another planet? [18:22] matey this IS 22 years old. [18:22] TR News ICBM Red Hat promotes the non-tech cults that ruin tech in the name of something eXperience (they can't even spell experience right) ttps://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-3-reasons-user-experience-matters [18:22] matey "In summary, the KDE Project has always existed and thrived regardless of competition by either other Open Source projects or profit-minded companies." [18:23] matey archived link because it was deleted from their wiki a few years later. [18:23] matey probably at the behest of the gnome foundation, but im just being cynical :) [18:23] matey "the KDE Project has always existed and thrived regardless of competition by either other Open Source projects" [18:24] matey to quote clouseau: "not anymore" [18:24] TR News "estimated $700 billion in digital transformation" = marketing bullshit and buzzwords to get you to rip apart what generally works, BUY OUR NEW STUFF!!! We shall send brochures and 'studies' we paid for https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-3-key-focus-areas-2022 [18:24] TR Bot Digital transformation: 3 focus areas to prioritize in 2022 | The Enterprisers Project [18:26] matey this mystery kde leader has completely fallen off the earth [18:26] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [18:26] matey ive got it narrowed down to about 3000 people.. [18:27] matey its no one on the board of kde ev. [18:27] TR News https://linuxhandbook.com/kill-vs-killall/ [18:27] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxhandbook.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhandbook.com/kill-vs-killall/ [18:27] TR Bot Kill vs Killall: Difference Between the Two Linux Commands [18:27] schestowitz vlad@putinbox # kill ukraine [18:27] schestowitz error: command not found. [18:27] schestowitz vlad@putinbox # killall ukraine [18:27] schestowitz https://linuxhandbook.com/kill-vs-killall/ [18:27] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxhandbook.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhandbook.com/kill-vs-killall/ [18:27] matey seigo was president at one point, but i only cared about him as a developer [18:28] matey ive literally never cared about the board whatsoever [18:28] schestowitz MinceR @ catbox # whoami [18:28] schestowitz clippy: if looks like you are making lasagna [18:28] schestowitz press Yes to proceed [n/Y] [18:29] schestowitz matey: he moved to kolab [18:29] schestowitz from canada to switzerland [18:29] schestowitz I hardly heard of him in recent years [18:30] schestowitz-TR kde also had chani armitrage around those days [18:30] schestowitz-TR circa 2012-2014 [18:30] schestowitz-TR *armitage [18:32] matey kde ev (which im not interested in but anything to find a lead) has had the same president for 7 years [18:32] matey importance: 0, the president of kde ev is not important [18:32] schestowitz-TR https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chaniarmitage [18:32] TR Bot ( status 999 @ https://ca.linkedin.com/in/chaniarmitage ) [18:32] schestowitz-TR steamdock [18:32] schestowitz-TR sounds proprietary [18:32] schestowitz-TR they're both canadian [18:33] matey no interest in armitrage either [18:33] matey im not looking for someone at kde ev [18:33] schestowitz-TR kde dev 2006-2010 [18:33] matey okay [18:33] matey this was after seigo [18:33] schestowitz-TR started as gulag summer of labour student [18:33] schestowitz-TR three time in a row in fact [18:34] schestowitz-TR those gulag prorgram suck at programmer retention [18:34] schestowitz-TR they just tick some box [18:34] schestowitz-TR "we support diversity" [18:34] matey yeah i have a low opinion of soc for several reasons [18:34] matey but the name is good [18:34] matey summer-- like a summer romance, a fling [18:34] matey "it was just a summer thing" [18:34] schestowitz-TR at least gulag supported poor canadians [18:35] matey yes, i know canada is one of the poorer regions of the world [18:35] schestowitz-TR not just poor poor [18:35] schestowitz-TR they support pour [18:35] matey i regularly see fundraisers between shows on on practically bills station [18:35] schestowitz-TR they pour out PR money [18:35] schestowitz-TR and then plaster it all over the place [18:35] matey support the pr and greedy [18:35] matey needy! [18:35] schestowitz-TR we gave $1000 a month [18:35] schestowitz-TR to produce unusable code [18:35] schestowitz-TR that the project will not eschew [18:37] matey "for just the price of chicken mcnuggets, you can help feed a little boy or girl just like this one in nova scotia" [18:38] schestowitz-TR i became a lot more cynical about gulag summer of labour [18:38] schestowitz-TR maybe 3 years ago [18:38] schestowitz-TR when I saw how they used that to gag critics [18:38] schestowitz-TR and debian forked over mission-critical servers to gulag [18:38] schestowitz-TR the clown,, you know [18:38] schestowitz-TR can't say no [18:38] matey the schmidt and melinda google foundation [18:38] schestowitz-TR they pay spi slush funds [18:38] schestowitz-TR $300k [18:39] matey dont say we do bad things-- look, we do good things! [18:39] matey we write code for you! or we pay students to [18:39] schestowitz-TR the jeff and lolita maxwellm foundation [18:39] schestowitz-TR remember bill is a maxwell [18:39] schestowitz-TR his mom's side [18:39] schestowitz-TR no connection to hoch though [18:39] matey never knew that [18:39] matey actually i dont know who the maxwells are, but i honestly bet its interesting [18:40] schestowitz-TR look up "maxwell seattle" [18:40] matey unless you mean maxwell house [18:40] matey but i suspect you dont [18:40] schestowitz-TR they're a very well off political dynasty [18:40] schestowitz-TR never had to work a day in their lives [18:40] matey i believe it, checking [18:40] schestowitz-TR money pouring out [18:40] schestowitz-TR or search maxwell in techrights [18:40] schestowitz-TR bankers [18:40] schestowitz-TR politicians [18:41] matey is Ghislaine Maxwell a maxwell? that would be a hoot [18:41] schestowitz-TR now bill and william [18:41] schestowitz-TR william by marriage [18:41] schestowitz-TR matey: no, a hoch [18:41] schestowitz-TR they changed name [18:41] matey hmm [18:42] matey i got nothing here [18:42] matey i believe you though [18:42] schestowitz-TR but you can be sure bill knows Ghislaine Maxwell very, very well [18:42] schestowitz-TR you don't just go visit Epstein IN PRISON without knowing Ghislaine Maxwell [18:42] schestowitz-TR anyway [18:42] schestowitz-TR "well, he's dead" [18:43] schestowitz-TR they were just friends becauysew jeff knew lots of rich people [18:43] schestowitz-TR and could pull strings from a prison cell [18:43] matey just like a mafia kingpin [18:44] schestowitz-TR "hi jeff, it's bill" [18:44] matey never "bill who" [18:44] schestowitz-TR "look, I have all this tax eva.. I mean chairty thing" [18:44] matey just "hi bill" [18:44] schestowitz-TR "Ima take a flgiht to florida tomorrow" [18:44] schestowitz-TR "I want to see you in prison where they take away my phone for the visit' [18:45] schestowitz-TR "so you can help hook me up with rich people" [18:45] schestowitz-TR "and Nobel Peace" [18:45] matey sure they take his phone. jeff could use it to hang himself [18:45] matey "but its cordless" [18:45] schestowitz-TR "write me a note, OK? I'll bring a notepad" [18:45] matey "he could hang himself with the carrier wave" [18:45] matey he could break the phone in half and use it as a shiv [18:46] matey he could order a pizza and wait for it to get stale, then bludgeon someone with it [18:46] schestowitz-TR next up: [18:46] schestowitz-TR bill phones maxwell [18:46] schestowitz-TR not his mom [18:46] schestowitz-TR she died of cancer decades ago [18:46] schestowitz-TR the other maxwell [18:47] schestowitz-TR "I want to see you in prison" [18:47] schestowitz-TR "you know lots of rich people" [18:47] schestowitz-TR "and you are in prison for child sex trafficking, like jeff" [18:47] schestowitz-TR "can you write me a note to endorse nobel for peace?" [18:47] matey lol [18:47] schestowitz-TR "your vote will help a lot!" [18:48] schestowitz-TR I think jeff could be summoned for grilling/testimonies [18:48] schestowitz-TR but well, he's dead [18:48] schestowitz-TR the whole thing stinks [18:48] matey i think the nobel committee now accepts endorsements from anyone who is an fsf associate member [18:48] schestowitz-TR and I doubt we'll have any closure, ever [18:48] schestowitz-TR bill keeps trying to make comebacks [18:48] schestowitz-TR it typically backfired [18:48] matey nope, itll be another jfk conspiracy [18:49] schestowitz-TR and then BillPR (NPR) fires off BS that calls his critical cracks [18:49] schestowitz-TR collectively [18:49] matey theyll find jimmy hoffa, and he will have a tattoo that says "epstein didnt kill himself" [18:49] schestowitz-TR with straw men [18:49] schestowitz-TR oh,w ait [18:50] schestowitz-TR silly me [18:50] schestowitz-TR maybe "rich people" is code word [18:50] schestowitz-TR maybe rich means young [18:50] matey richpeoplegate [18:50] schestowitz-TR jeff... knew lots of young people [18:50] matey it gets worse than that [18:50] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163074 [18:50] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [18:50] matey gate is a codeword for bill gates [18:50] matey so pizzagate... dun dun dun [18:51] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [18:51] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@4qc3338mpcm6n.irc) has joined #techrights [18:51] schestowitz-TR anyway, we do not know much [18:52] schestowitz-TR but surely an investigation is in order [18:52] schestowitz-TR if sealed [18:52] schestowitz-TR which is possible [18:52] matey /me orders a "bill gates" and gets a pizza delivered-- CASE CRACKED [18:52] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@nwnqkpaj4kzjn.irc) has joined #techrights [18:52] schestowitz-TR bill's best friends distanced themselves [18:52] schestowitz-TR than the foundation [18:52] schestowitz-TR crashed [18:52] DaemonFC Except Warren Buffett. [18:52] schestowitz-TR and then Microsoft bombarded the media with a billion-dollar PR campaign about a fake "Vista 11" 'leak' [18:52] matey is the bill and m foundation floundering? [18:52] DaemonFC Cherry Coke and Pizza [18:52] matey i havent paid attention [18:53] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: he left too [18:53] matey buffett is a code word for... buffet [18:53] schestowitz-TR maybe you did not notice [18:53] matey i didnt [18:53] schestowitz-TR around the same day/week of Vista 11 [18:53] matey ive paid like zero attention to the bill and m foundation in half a year or more [18:53] schestowitz-TR I hate Pizza Buffet [18:53] schestowitz-TR they have them here in Pizza Hut sometimes [18:53] schestowitz-TR you end up eating lots of dough [18:53] matey i used to go to one pizza buffet that was actually good [18:53] schestowitz-TR or lots of bad salads [18:53] matey more importantly it was actually pizza [18:54] matey not something horrible [18:54] schestowitz-TR either fattening or not fulfilling [18:54] DaemonFC It was a joke. Pizza being "young child" and Cherry Coke being that he drinks 5 of them a day and the "news" reports it. [18:54] matey well if you dont like alfredo sauce [18:54] matey you know its impossible to have a normal conversation anymore, thank you internet. [18:54] matey everything is a fucking codeword now [18:54] DaemonFC It's really really bad for you to drink soda. They're just figuring out how bad. [18:54] schestowitz-TR they take many [18:55] schestowitz-TR because the words keep changing [18:55] DaemonFC Obviously the cost for most people, but it harms DNA. [18:55] schestowitz-TR we had "drpizza" here in IRC [18:55] matey It's really really bad for you to drink soda. <- and thats just from a legal standpoint [18:55] schestowitz-TR he came trolling us [18:55] schestowitz-TR because we criticised him [18:55] DaemonFC It actually harms DNA. [18:55] schestowitz-TR he's now in prison [18:55] schestowitz-TR pushing Microsoft propaganda while sticking his "tip" in 9 year olds [18:55] DaemonFC I don't need anything else helping to age me. [18:55] DaemonFC Time will do that. [18:56] schestowitz-TR anyhow, gates and his ilk were always despicabel [18:56] schestowitz-TR ballmer [18:56] schestowitz-TR come on, f'ing ballmer [18:56] schestowitz-TR he could barely get along with anyone but BALLMER? [18:56] schestowitz-TR what does that tell you [18:56] schestowitz-TR Gates was also repeatedly arrested [18:56] schestowitz-TR and bailout out [18:56] schestowitz-TR the rich write the laws, so... [18:57] matey america is very proud to not have a house of lords [18:57] DaemonFC Notice the news hasn't gone "CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS!!! CORONAVIRUS CORONAVIRUS CORONSVIRUS!" in a while. [18:57] matey of course it has one, they just dont call it that [18:57] DaemonFC Nice, in't it? [18:57] matey bill gates is definitely a lord [18:57] DaemonFC For a minute there it was like some weird Ballmer dance about a virus. [18:57] schestowitz-TR you can imagine bill's parents coming with chaperons and convoy down to the local police station [18:57] schestowitz-TR to "pick up bill" [18:57] schestowitz-TR btw, the medina PD is dodgy [18:58] schestowitz-TR lots of ex spies there [18:58] schestowitz-TR they protect US "assets" like bezos and bill [18:58] schestowitz-TR like state within a state [18:58] psydruid MIDGET Foundation [18:59] schestowitz-TR don't say midget [18:59] psydruid TROLL Foundation [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.50 k/sec., IPFS upstream 42.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 284.93 [18:59] schestowitz-TR say "little people" [18:59] schestowitz-TR (einfeld) [18:59] schestowitz-TR (Seinfeld) [18:59] psydruid oh right [18:59] schestowitz-TR changing words [18:59] schestowitz-TR removes offence [18:59] schestowitz-TR jeff knew lots of small people ● Mar 28 [19:01] schestowitz-TR well, he's dead [19:01] schestowitz-TR alternaten universe [19:01] schestowitz-TR the pbs lady/anchor [19:02] DaemonFC John's mom was afraid of midgets. [19:02] schestowitz-TR (her employer is bribed by gates) [19:02] DaemonFC So we stayed at a nice hotel down in Texas and there was a midget convention. [19:02] DaemonFC I swear. [19:02] schestowitz-TR "OK, so he's dead.... and your right-hand man is on his will" [19:02] DaemonFC They woke up and ate the entire hotel breakfast bar the first day. [19:02] DaemonFC So the next day we managed to get up and outrun the midgets down there. [19:03] DaemonFC I told her "If you're hungry, grab two plates and that way they can't run off with the rest while you're eating.". [19:03] schestowitz-TR midget convention [19:03] DaemonFC That's what happened! [19:04] schestowitz-TR a few decades ago you could make lots of jokes about that [19:04] schestowitz-TR now midget convention is a DYNAMITE for cancel culture [19:04] schestowitz-TR so I'd make no jokes about a midget convention [19:04] DaemonFC Yeah, well, I can't really be canceled so I can say what I will. [19:04] schestowitz-TR Seinfeld could make jokes about Paralympics [19:04] schestowitz-TR that was in the 1990s [19:04] matey So we stayed at a nice hotel down in Texas and there was a midget convention. [19:04] schestowitz-TR he'd be assassinated if he tried now [19:05] matey was it a large convention, or [19:05] DaemonFC It was both large and small. [19:05] matey :) [19:05] DaemonFC I'd never believe you if you told me they could eat that much though! [19:05] schestowitz-TR both micro and soft? [19:05] DaemonFC Just absolutely voracious. [19:05] matey I'd never believe you if you told me they could eat that much though! <- so many things i could say here but [19:06] schestowitz-TR maybe the hotel under-supplied [19:06] schestowitz-TR made wrong assumptions [19:06] matey they would be verging on total dickishness and since i really have no problem with-- i swear i no longer know what they prefer to be called [19:06] matey im not going to go there [19:06] DaemonFC It looked well stocked the next day. [19:06] matey you cant even make fun of fat people anymore [19:06] schestowitz-TR or blondes [19:06] matey you just cant make fun of people [19:07] schestowitz-TR they too are protected [19:07] DaemonFC But I grabbed a plate for hot items and a plate for bagel and cream cheese and fruits and some orange juice and coffee and took it all back at once. [19:07] schestowitz-TR because blondeness is a disavantage now or something [19:07] schestowitz-TR like albinos [19:07] matey and i dont have a lot of desire to make fun of fat people [19:07] matey some of my best friends are fat people [19:07] schestowitz-TR you can make fun of dumb brunette dude [19:07] schestowitz-TR not dumb blonde [19:08] matey like albinos <- i had a friend who was a fairly hefty albino, and he loved jokes that werent pc [19:08] schestowitz-TR the stereotypes make them unemployable [19:08] DaemonFC Yeah, like you couldn't do a lot of things now. [19:08] matey though he was a bit sensitive about his albinism [19:08] DaemonFC Austin Powers? No. [19:08] schestowitz-TR I never see blondes employed as CEOs and stuff... [19:08] DaemonFC Married With Children? No. [19:09] matey I never see blondes employed as CEOs and stuff... i mean ive personally known (natural) blondes who qualified for mensa [19:09] schestowitz-TR side note: many dumb blondes are not blonde [19:09] matey but they werent offended by blonde jokes [19:09] schestowitz-TR they dye their hair to compensate for something [19:09] schestowitz-TR sometimes using sunbed excessivbely too, to fit the very steretype they later bemoan [19:10] matey lisa kudrow went to harvard and made a shitload of money playing a stereotypical blonde [19:10] schestowitz-TR yes, I was being cynical [19:10] matey she was the first guest on (fellow alumnus and best friend) conan o briens show [19:10] schestowitz-TR obv. blondes are advantaged [19:10] schestowitz-TR esp. as public faces for companies [19:10] DaemonFC They'd probably cancel Chris Farley now if he wasn't dead. [19:11] DaemonFC Some of his SNL appearances couldn't happen today, like the sketch in the Joliet State Prison. [19:11] matey chris farley was fucking awesome [19:11] DaemonFC Could you imagine BLM reacting to THAT!? [19:11] schestowitz-TR BLM is a straw man here [19:11] schestowitz-TR anyway, I'm sure bill masturbated to github... in front of the letter of ICBM, Gulag, and their front groups [19:11] schestowitz-TR "lol, they go after RMS now..." [19:11] DaemonFC Most of "van down by the river" could still happen, maybe. [19:12] DaemonFC Libtards like mjg59_ are unbelievably shitty to the homeless. [19:12] DaemonFC Look at their cities and politicians. [19:12] matey i think he was already dead when i finally saw van down by the river [19:13] matey you know theyre a comic genius when theyre doing it live and the other seasoned comedians are barely holding their shit together [19:13] DaemonFC You know how Huntington, Indiana (82% voted Trump) treats the homeless? [19:13] matey trying desperately to keep a straight face [19:13] TR News GParted 1.4 Released with Labeling Support for Mounted Btrfs, EXT4, and XFS Filesystems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163075 [19:13] TR Bot GParted 1.4 Released with Labeling Support for Mounted Btrfs, EXT4, and XFS Filesystems | Tux Machines [19:13] TR News Entering Leap Bugs Gains New Clarity Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163076 [19:13] TR Bot Entering Leap Bugs Gains New Clarity | Tux Machines [19:13] DaemonFC Some of the local landlords got together and gave them a house to live in, free of charge, and the local businesses find them jobs and help them transition out of that house, which is a shelter until they get back on their feet. [19:14] schestowitz-TR people at risk of poverty or homelessness are more sypathetic to the homeless [19:14] DaemonFC There's another halfway house for battered women. [19:14] schestowitz-TR the rich sociopaths are least sympathetic [19:14] schestowitz-TR they even convince themselves it's their genius and brilliance, not greed cheatinhg etc. that got them there [19:14] DaemonFC The landlords I know there aren't terrible people really. [19:14] schestowitz-TR hence, homeless= dumb, lazy, failure [19:14] DaemonFC Oh no, they don't "homeless bash" anyone. [19:14] schestowitz-TR the people I see here giving coins to homeless aren't the rich [19:15] schestowitz-TR the poor home people will return in kind one day [19:15] schestowitz-TR a [19:15] schestowitz-TR as they too can become homless one day [19:15] DaemonFC Now, you move to Shitcago or San Francisco, people "get it" like mjg59_ said. They get the billy clubs and the cops set everything they own in this world on fire too. [19:15] schestowitz-TR so they rely on climate of solidarity [19:15] DaemonFC That's what they "get". [19:15] schestowitz-TR very rich cities like london will bus the homeless out [19:15] DaemonFC 99% Democrat. [19:15] schestowitz-TR "you stink, you scare off tourists" [19:15] schestowitz-TR "you lower my home value| [19:16] DaemonFC Yes, Shitcago, San Francisco. [19:16] DaemonFC Disgusting. [19:16] DaemonFC The larger the city, the more depraved it gets. [19:16] *matey has quit (connection closed) [19:16] DaemonFC Crime unpunished. Crime against children? Tolerated. Police go beat up the homeless and set their tents on fire. [19:17] DaemonFC It's the most godawful place in the country that I've ever seen, Chicago. [19:17] DaemonFC It's truly the anus of America. [19:17] schestowitz-TR you miss a key point [19:17] schestowitz-TR those cities are magnets [19:17] schestowitz-TR to some certain leaning [19:17] schestowitz-TR they foster socioipathy [19:17] schestowitz-TR so that becomes 'normalised' [19:17] schestowitz-TR water cooler talk: [19:17] MinceR 28 191928 < matey> mincer: http://web.archive.org/web/20051228121907/http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfresponse.php [19:17] TR Bot K Desktop Environment - KDE "Official" Response to GNOME Foundation [19:18] MinceR that was long before the end of KDE [19:18] DaemonFC Yes, the mentality of some of the people there are what I would call "Not even human anymore.". [19:18] schestowitz-TR "yeah, johnny, those stinking people in the heat shaft... spike em' [19:18] MinceR there wasn't even a KDE 3.0 yet [19:18] schestowitz-TR that joke won't go down well in other workplaces [19:18] schestowitz-TR but the magnets attract [19:18] schestowitz-TR poor-shaming is prevalent in murdoich media (GOP audience) [19:18] DaemonFC RMS....I totally disagree with him. [19:18] DaemonFC Cities should be disbanded and disbursed. [19:19] DaemonFC When people get back to their roots and have some breathing space, maybe things would calm down. [19:19] schestowitz-TR also see: American Psycho [19:19] schestowitz-TR (Bateman) [19:19] DaemonFC Yeah, I always thought that movie was a joke or something until I lived in Chicago. [19:19] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: that would harm nature even more [19:19] DaemonFC Now I see it's not that far removed from the truth. [19:20] schestowitz-TR "look at my dic... I mean, my business card" [19:20] schestowitz-TR "ain't it LOVELY?" [19:20] DaemonFC Although I do like Huey Lewis and The News, I never do listen to anything of theirs that's not from the 1980s. I don't really know why. [19:20] MinceR 28 192815 <~schestowitz> MinceR @ catbox # whoami [19:20] MinceR huh? [19:20] DaemonFC I get into like a rut and then that's where my mind is and then I don't try much else. [19:21] DaemonFC Ironically, one of his songs is "I know what I like.". [19:21] DaemonFC Maybe the inspiration for Anubis in SG-1. "I'm not a bad guy, really. I just know what I like and I'm willing to kill everyone in the universe to get it!". [19:21] DaemonFC (Putin) [19:22] schestowitz-TR not even putin could terminate systemd [19:22] schestowitz-TR process eins [19:22] DaemonFC Putin could terminate systemd. [19:22] DaemonFC He'd start by killing every maintainer with a ricin umbrella. [19:22] MinceR lol [19:23] DaemonFC The best part of systemd is it has a module that teaches you how to meditate while NordVPN and CUPS are stuck at shut down. [19:23] DaemonFC You get 3 minutes to just relax and let it happen. [19:24] MinceR :> [19:24] MinceR you might as well relax and enjoy it? [19:24] DaemonFC Debian 11's Live ISO and GNOME desktop role managed to make some really fucked up mistakes. [19:25] DaemonFC Like, how could nobody notice that CUPS isn't installed? [19:25] DaemonFC They don't install CUPS but they do install EVERY language pack and input method? [19:25] DaemonFC Alrighty then! [19:25] DaemonFC Hold onto your lugnuts, it's TIIIIIIIME for an overhaul. [19:29] DaemonFC you might as well relax and enjoy it? [19:29] DaemonFC Pretty much. [19:29] DaemonFC I doubt that switching to KDE would fix that because systemderp would still be there. [19:30] TR News Worship Apple? Check. Worship Microsoft (GitHub)? Check. Proprietary? Check. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Clang-march-native-M1 [19:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Clang-march-native-M1 [19:30] TR Bot Clang Adds "-march=native" Support For The Apple M1 - Phoronix [19:31] TR News Archinstall has been outsourced to criminals from Microsoft. And it's developed using proprietary software. Can GNU/Linux distros please stop supporting crime? [19:32] DaemonFC "To help make Discord a safer place for everyone, we are prohibiting harmful misinformation and will now consider off-platform behavior in some cases. Weve also updated the protected attributes in our hate speech policy to include caste, gender identity, age, serious illness, and more." [19:32] DaemonFC So you can be banned from Discord for saying things they don't like someplace else. [19:32] schestowitz-TR it's vague [19:32] schestowitz-TR it's risky [19:33] schestowitz-TR like "hate speech" [19:33] schestowitz-TR it's so loosely defined [19:33] DaemonFC "harmful misinformation" [19:33] schestowitz-TR one politician hating another? [19:33] schestowitz-TR how harmful? [19:33] schestowitz-TR to who? [19:33] schestowitz-TR to putin? [19:33] schestowitz-TR is it OK to want putin dead? [19:33] schestowitz-TR or to want him to be killed by parkinsons? [19:33] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.114.138) has joined #techrights [19:34] schestowitz-TR tl;dr: we at discord ban anybody we don't like [19:34] schestowitz-TR we codify that to cover all cases [19:34] schestowitz-TR and edge cases [19:34] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:35] TR News Microbell us running Intel ads again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Core-i9-12900KS [19:35] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Core-i9-12900KS [19:35] TR Bot Launches The Core i9 12900KS At Up To 5.5GHz Alder Lake - Phoronix [19:36] TR News Rajeesh K Nambiar: RIT Malayalam fonts are available & default in Fedora 36+, ELN [19:37] TR News ICBM gets new fonts from volunteers https://rajeeshknambiar.wordpress.com/2022/03/28/rit-malayalam-fonts-are-available-default-in-fedora-36-eln/ [19:37] TR Bot RIT Malayalam fonts are available & default in Fedora 36+, ELN Soliloquies [19:39] TR News Gulag "is currently in the process of killing Hangouts." Gulag and Microsoft keep killing their disservices. Why would YOU or your BUSINESS want to rely on these??? I keep alerting people at work. Clown Computing isn't "Smart"; it's for lazy and dumb people without foresight https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/28/hangouts-replacement/ [19:39] TR Bot Hangouts Replacement etbe - Russell Coker [19:41] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [19:44] DaemonFC I'm looking at my daily electric usage. [19:44] TR News Microsoft-friendly media likes to paint as Linux things that have nothing to do with Linux https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/muhstik-botnet-targeting-redis-servers.html Photoshop is WINDOQWS? [19:44] TR Bot Muhstik Botnet Targeting Redis Servers Using Recently Disclosed Vulnerability [19:44] DaemonFC The chest freezer actually has not made a noticeable difference. [19:44] Alternative link Cloudflare: thehackernews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/muhstik-botnet-targeting-redis-servers.html [19:44] DaemonFC Maybe pennies a day? [19:45] TR News "We're wrapping up another great week with the following activities from the Apache community..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-weekly-news-round19 [19:45] TR Bot The Apache Weekly News Round-up: week ending 25 March 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog [19:45] TR News Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163077 [19:45] TR Bot Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [19:46] TR News Microsoft and Bill Gates have pulled a "well, he's dead" on Elabd; "we totally don't know him, never heard of him..." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162988#comment-33220 [19:46] TR Bot Microsoft Run by Criminals, Who Expel Those Who Don't Participate in the Crimes | Tux Machines [19:46] schestowitz-TR daily electric usage? [19:47] schestowitz-TR physical, right? [19:47] schestowitz-TR you didn't do that smart and app and site... [19:47] schestowitz-TR oh, wait [19:47] schestowitz-TR you rent [19:47] schestowitz-TR maybe they force you yo [19:47] schestowitz-TR *to [19:47] schestowitz-TR next up: mandatory alexa and nest [19:47] schestowitz-TR just in case... [19:47] schestowitz-TR keep clothed [19:47] schestowitz-TR the microphones are on [19:47] schestowitz-TR keep polite [19:48] schestowitz-TR it's OK, keep away from the electric fence too... touching it might increas your energy bills [19:51] DaemonFC Don't whiz on....the electric fence! [19:51] TR News Gulag Deutschland pretends this was its own achievement https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220328-01.en.html [19:51] TR Bot Anchor Free Software in the 2022 German Federal Budget! - FSFE [19:52] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: doubly ungood [19:53] TR News ESP32 Composite Video Library outputs PAL, SECAM and NTSC, supports LVGL - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/28/esp32-composite-video-library-outputs-pal-secam-and-ntsc-supports-lvgl/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware [19:53] TR Bot not resolve host: www.cnx-software.com; Unknown error ( status 0 @ https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/28/esp32-composite-video-library-outputs-pal-secam-and-ntsc-supports-lvgl/ ) [19:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/28/esp32-composite-video-library-outputs-pal-secam-and-ntsc-supports-lvgl/ [19:55] TR News Stable Kernels: 5.17.1, 5.16.18, 5.15.32, 5.10.109, 5.4.188, 4.19.237, 4.14.274, and 4.9.309 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163078 [19:55] TR Bot Stable Kernels: 5.17.1, 5.16.18, 5.15.32, 5.10.109, 5.4.188, 4.19.237, 4.14.274, and 4.9.309 | Tux Machines [19:55] TR News 11 Open-source, free solutions to create your own XMPP server to create your own chat network Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163079 [19:55] TR Bot 11 Open-source, free solutions to create your own XMPP server to create your own chat network | Tux Machines [19:56] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/unreasonable [19:56] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Unreasonable [19:57] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [19:59] leah schestowitz-TR: what did you mean when you said "leah was on and off gnu" ● Mar 28 [20:00] schestowitz-TR gnu libreboot [20:00] schestowitz-TR then just libreboot [20:00] schestowitz-TR and I assume before gnu it was also just libreboot [20:00] schestowitz-TR and you posted in the mailing list about that [20:01] schestowitz-TR I criticised tghe "boycott gnu" episode [20:01] schestowitz-TR it did not even make a compelling case [20:01] schestowitz-TR or it was not properly/thoroughly explained [20:01] schestowitz-TR anyway, the context above was kde [20:01] schestowitz-TR or kde sc [20:01] schestowitz-TR and how projects relate to "KDE" [20:01] schestowitz-TR or KDE e.V. [20:02] schestowitz-TR whatever those are [20:02] leah yeah well, joining libreboot in gnu was a mistake. leaving gnu was also a mistake [20:02] schestowitz-TR gnu is a very powerful brand [20:02] leah it was a mistake joining because it was superfluous [20:02] schestowitz-TR it's like being a political candidate getting endorsement from bernie sanders [20:03] leah i never used gnu infrastructure and never intended to - besides mailing lists. savannah was used mostly as just git backup. i intended to just basically use the gnu brand, adhering to gnu standards but keeping everything mine [20:03] leah in other words, my goals were incompatible. that's why it was a mistake [20:03] schestowitz-TR iirc, the call for boycott was over how some people had treated you [20:04] leah it's kinda like the EU argument [20:04] leah do we join it or not [20:04] schestowitz-TR this was light on the pertinent details [20:04] leah and i'd say: don't join it [20:04] leah just be a country [20:04] schestowitz-TR we never gave up on the pound [20:04] leah and in this context, i say: [20:04] leah just be a software project [20:04] schestowitz-TR so it was a semi-hearted, cautious adoption [20:04] schestowitz-TR being a psrt of a collective can help [20:04] leah thatcher didn't believe in the values of the EU, she just wanted more free trade for the uk [20:05] schestowitz-TR if the obligations are minimal [20:05] schestowitz-TR like restrictions on speech [20:05] TR News Gentoo-Based Porteus Kiosk 5.4 Released with Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS, Various Improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163080 [20:05] TR Bot Gentoo-Based Porteus Kiosk 5.4 Released with Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS, Various Improvements | Tux Machines [20:05] leah schestowitz-TR: leaving gnu was stupid though. any disputes that developed could have been resolved by me simply forking libreboot [20:06] leah which, ironically, i later did so anyway (see osboot) [20:06] leah it made little technical sense either, due to how libreboot is designed [20:07] leah there is never any clear scope what libreboot is, other than: coreboot distro [20:07] leah the components in it change over time, as needed [20:07] leah and some of those components were gnu components [20:07] leah such as grub [20:07] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163081 [20:07] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:07] leah so gnu ended up having 2 versions of grub [20:07] leah but see, what was actually in gnu was releases of libreboot [20:07] leah it's.... [20:07] leah just look at the design of libreboot [20:07] leah schestowitz-TR: go download lbmk.git and look at it. the design of it now is the same fundamentaldesign it also had in 2016 [20:08] schestowitz-TR i never looked at that code [20:08] leah you'll see why i say this, after you read it. it made no technical sense to join *that* in gnu. it was a purely political decision [20:08] schestowitz-TR and it's probably very machine level [20:08] leah what i should have done instead is fork coreboot and maintain a deblobbed version, sort of like librecore later did. and put that in gnu [20:08] schestowitz-TR firmware and irq addresses etc. [20:08] leah GNU Boot [20:08] leah but keep libreboot out of gnu [20:08] leah and just submit a "pure" coreboot tree to gnu [20:08] leah that's what i should have done [20:09] leah that would have even been workable, and would have satisfied me [20:09] schestowitz-TR speaking of pure [20:09] schestowitz-TR you heard what happened to todd, right? [20:09] leah todd weaver? [20:09] leah no, tell me what happened [20:09] schestowitz-TR seems demoted [20:09] leah oh? [20:09] schestowitz-TR they added people to the top [20:09] schestowitz-TR two [20:09] schestowitz-TR so his leadership is lessened somewhat [20:09] leah https://puri.sm/posts/as-purism-grows-founder-ceo-todd-weaver-transitions-role-of-president-to-kyle-rankin-vice-president-to-nicole-faerber/ [20:09] TR Bot As Purism Grows, Founder CEO Todd Weaver Transitions Role of President to Kyle Rankin & Vice-President to Nicole Faerber Purism [20:09] leah what [20:10] schestowitz-TR Faerber is unknown to me [20:10] leah it says he's a dev lol [20:10] schestowitz-TR I think neither is [20:10] schestowitz-TR one wrote for LF [20:10] leah i think todd feels the heat on him. he's been scamming people for years [20:10] schestowitz-TR LJ [20:10] schestowitz-TR not LF [20:10] leah now he's jumping ship [20:10] leah i guess purism will be dead then, in the next 2 years probably [20:11] leah this is a good day [20:11] schestowitz-TR yes, that was my instinct [20:11] leah thanks for the good news. i know to read between the lines [20:11] schestowitz-TR but they try to make it sound positive [20:11] leah fuck purism [20:11] schestowitz-TR because, you know, purism [20:11] leah i say, good riddance [20:11] schestowitz-TR they also srinkle the shit [20:11] schestowitz-TR *sprinkle on [20:11] leah they've contributed precisely nothing [20:11] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [20:11] schestowitz-TR [20:11] thanks for the good news. i know to read between the lines [20:12] schestowitz-TR i did too [20:12] schestowitz-TR the BS meter [20:12] schestowitz-TR or smell test [20:12] schestowitz-TR now you buy a laptop there [20:12] leah omg [20:12] schestowitz-TR and wait in line for months [20:12] leah kyle rankin is becoming president [20:12] schestowitz-TR iirc [20:12] leah lol [20:12] schestowitz-TR depending on the product [20:12] leah i love that [20:12] schestowitz-TR imagine ordering a laptop now [20:12] schestowitz-TR pay $1500 [20:12] schestowitz-TR wait for summer [20:13] schestowitz-TR they might even ship it [20:13] leah schestowitz-TR: kyle rankin is on my shitlist [20:13] schestowitz-TR and it might last longer than the company [20:13] leah todd is abandoning ship and letting kyle take the fall when it all goes tits up [20:13] leah excellent [20:13] *CrystalMath (~coderain@uyy4r7rua7b84.irc) has joined #techrights [20:13] schestowitz-TR I wonder who orders Librem USA [20:13] schestowitz-TR iirc, $2000 [20:13] schestowitz-TR for a phone [20:13] schestowitz-TR with specs not that great [20:14] leah i'm planning to launch phones soon [20:14] schestowitz-TR but "made in usa" something [20:14] schestowitz-TR probably just assembled there [20:14] schestowitz-TR sorry if I am negativist here [20:14] schestowitz-TR or pessimist [20:14] schestowitz-TR I think purism did contribute a little [20:14] schestowitz-TR but many clients were not happy [20:14] schestowitz-TR that I know of [20:15] leah i think i can make an affordable phone product for minifree [20:15] leah used market, of course. with postmarketos [20:15] leah been investigating it for some time now [20:15] leah could be a nice little earner for me [20:15] leah my market research tells me: libre phones sell [20:16] leah postmarketos specifically is a great system for phones, because its lightweight [20:16] leah and works well [20:16] TR News Spamnil now propping up "Web3" scams... how fitting for the ambitious "filmmaker" [20:17] TR News Not about Linux. Intel SPAM. x86 is relic./ C'mon, Liam... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-announced-the-core-i9-12900ks-as-the-worlds-fastest-desktop-processor/ [20:17] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-announced-the-core-i9-12900ks-as-the-worlds-fastest-desktop-processor/ [20:17] TR Bot announced the Core i9 12900KS as the 'world's fastest desktop processor' | GamingOnLinux [20:19] TR News Redmonk takes money from Microsoft criminals. It bases its 'studies' on Microsoft data. Facts do not matters to these self-described 'analysts'; clients do. https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/03/28/language-rankings-1-22/ [20:19] Alternative link Cloudflare: redmonk.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/03/28/language-rankings-1-22/ [20:19] TR Bot RedMonk Programming Language Rankings: January 2022 tecosystems [20:19] schestowitz-TR oh, libreplanet videos are OUT! [20:20] TR News Gulag proprietary software: "an attacker could exploit to take control of an affected system." https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/28/google-releases-security-updates-chrome [20:21] TR Bot Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA [20:21] leah that was quick [20:21] schestowitz-TR leah: which one to go with first? [20:21] schestowitz-TR assuming you wwatch some [20:21] schestowitz-TR did the ed give a talk? [20:21] leah meh [20:21] schestowitz-TR I only see talk ttiles [20:22] schestowitz-TR titles [20:22] leah i don't care about libreplanet [20:22] leah i did pop in to say hello on irc though [20:23] leah fsf is uninteresting to me these days [20:23] schestowitz-TR fair enufff [20:23] leah whatever spark i saw in them last year is either gone, or i was delusional and it wasn't there [20:23] leah i'm focusing on my stuff [20:23] leah though [20:24] leah the sxmo talk was good [20:24] TR News Gammath SPOT version 2.9 (beta) released on 28 March 2022 https://pypi.org/project/gammath-spot/2.9/ [20:24] TR Bot gammath-spot PyPI [20:24] leah i tuned in specifically to watch that talk [20:24] leah the sxmo one [20:24] leah because i know the author [20:24] schestowitz-TR I see it now [20:25] schestowitz-TR I'll post a video embedded for it [20:25] leah i don't see the videos [20:25] schestowitz-TR i love fsf these days [20:25] leah i checked media.libreplanet.org [20:25] schestowitz-TR they improved a lot in recent months [20:25] leah improved? [20:25] leah how? [20:25] schestowitz-TR compared to the bkuhn days [20:25] schestowitz-TR and the anti-RMS insiders [20:25] schestowitz-TR didn't like that [20:25] schestowitz-TR felt like civil war [20:26] schestowitz-TR better small and united [20:26] schestowitz-TR than broad and divided [20:26] leah the fsf is objectively in a worse spot than it is now. but better than the 2019-2021 spot [20:26] schestowitz-TR which is what fsf was for a number of years [20:26] schestowitz-TR leah: maybe financially [20:26] schestowitz-TR money isn't what's most important [20:26] schestowitz-TR adherence to mission matters [20:26] schestowitz-TR our budget here is $0 [20:26] schestowitz-TR and we do OK [20:26] leah its role is largely superfluous [20:27] leah we as a community already do everything ourselves. the fsf is obsolete [20:27] schestowitz-TR it's under attack [20:27] schestowitz-TR because freesw is widely used [20:27] leah especially given its unwillingness to promote free hardware [20:27] schestowitz-TR so they try to shift controls [20:27] leah there was a discussion about libre hardware, like libre silicon project [20:27] leah rms shrugged it off "doesn't boot linux" [20:27] schestowitz-TR leah: the s in fsf is sofwtare [20:27] leah schestowitz-TR: https://libresilicon.com/ [20:27] TR Bot Libre Silicon [20:27] leah seen this? [20:27] schestowitz-TR they should not focus on hardware [20:27] leah or sam zeloof's work [20:27] leah have you seen it [20:27] schestowitz-TR they need to limit scope [20:28] leah i disagree [20:28] schestowitz-TR to keep efffective [20:28] schestowitz-TR we focus on epo [20:28] leah i completely disagree [20:28] schestowitz-TR we cannot focus on every facet [20:28] leah i'm more politically aligned with openbsd these days [20:28] leah with their way of thinking and doing things [20:28] leah they also do a lot of things right [20:29] schestowitz-TR they also bagged microsoft money [20:29] schestowitz-TR microsoft=crime [20:29] leah for example, they don't allow NDA'd code to be merged [20:29] schestowitz-TR but never mind [20:29] leah they refuse to allow NDA's to dictate anything to them [20:29] schestowitz-TR it's not their biggest "sugare" [20:29] schestowitz-TR *sugar" [20:29] leah even with their limited influence, they're able a lot of the time to still get hardware specs and write drivers, for example [20:29] leah NDA-free drivers [20:30] leah linux doesn't do that. plenty of code under linux was written based on access to documents under nda [20:30] leah they have a stronger anti-blob stance than linux, in fact [20:31] DaemonFC Apple lost a lawsuit that it was requiring employees to undergo a bag check on their way in and out of work at Apple stores that was unpaid and could last up to half an hour. [20:31] leah stronger than most everyone else [20:31] DaemonFC So they owe them all back pay now. [20:31] leah if they were to have more reach, i think they'd do a lot more good for the world [20:31] DaemonFC It's nice to be treated like a criminal in order to have a job, isn't it? [20:32] DaemonFC "Now pull down your pants and cough!" [20:32] *bnchs (~bnchs@sm8frgmbxakbi.irc) has joined #techrights [20:33] DaemonFC Since they have to pay everyone to stand in line to have their bag searched on the way out, it may well end up costing them more in payroll than any stolen merchandise is likely to be worth. [20:34] bnchs should you really allow drivers written with documents under NDA [20:34] bnchs i mean i think they did that to prevent legal issues [20:34] bnchs they could rake up legal debt and the company would say the drivers were NDA violations [20:36] mjg59_ bnchs: Generally the docs are provided under NDA with the express understanding that they're being used to write drivers [20:36] mjg59_ The terms of the NDA may involve review of patches [20:36] mjg59_ (I've gone through this, it's incredibly tedious) [20:36] bnchs oh [20:36] bnchs i thought the top secret NDA [20:36] bnchs as in someone who intentionally violated one [20:36] bnchs to write drivers for it [20:37] mjg59_ Oh, no [20:37] mjg59_ Generally it just blocks release of the docs themselves [20:37] leah anyway [20:37] mjg59_ Sometimes there are features that they don't want you to write code for, but usually they just strip that out of the docs beforehand in that case [20:38] leah yeah, let's release some source code without docs to go with it [20:38] CrystalMath i don't like OpenBSD's anti-GPL stance [20:38] leah mjg59_: that's what i call "blob masquerading as source code" [20:38] leah even if the code is good [20:39] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:39] leah coreboot is full of that sort of thing, especially on old amd boards that use agesa src [20:39] mjg59_ Sometimes there aren't docs, whoever did the hardware design just told the software people what to write [20:39] mjg59_ Not common these days, though [20:39] leah yeah maybe in z80 days [20:39] *bnchs (~bnchs@4mgrnigyw2t2n.irc) has joined #techrights [20:40] leah or like, 6502 [20:40] leah which you can pretty much understand from the circuitry [20:40] bnchs wow that was rude ISP [20:40] leah anyway, i have work to do [20:41] leah schestowitz-TR: fsf are alright, but i'm disillusioned. i don't think they're our future [20:41] leah we need something better [20:41] bnchs our future in technology [20:41] bnchs is weak thin clients connected to the "cloud" [20:42] bnchs aka someone else's computer [20:42] bnchs we wont own our data nor our computer [20:43] bnchs such demovitating talk [20:44] TR News LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Sxmo: Freedom on Mobile Devices Through Simplicity and Hackability | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/ [20:44] TR Bot LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Sxmo: Freedom on Mobile Devices Through Simplicity and Hackability | Techrights [20:47] psydruid our future in technology is what we make of it ourselves [20:47] bnchs yeah [20:48] bnchs to be honest i think gaming "cloud" services are much worse than playing it in a computer you own [20:49] DaemonFC "Many bird species in the UK are laying eggs a month earlier than they did 100 years ago." -Richard Stallman [20:49] DaemonFC Well, I propose two investigations then. [20:50] bnchs why is rms saying that [20:50] DaemonFC One, on how birds are now living to be more than 100 and, two, how they can time travel back 100 years and a month to lay eggs. [20:50] DaemonFC This is certainly disturbing news. [20:50] DaemonFC MinceR, ^ [20:51] bnchs wait how are birds laying eggs a month eariler [20:51] mjg59_ A species is not the individual members of that species [20:51] mjg59_ bnchs: Climate change [20:51] TR News Jarek Dudas talk was uploaded 55 minutes ago | Gemini address: Jarek Dudas talk was uploaded 55 minutes ago [20:51] bnchs well i guess thats a good reason [20:51] DaemonFC It was a joke, you know. [20:51] bnchs people should stop farting too much [20:51] TR News LibrePlanet 2022 Talk Software Patent Issues (by Jarek Duda) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/ans-talk-by-jarek-duda/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/ans-talk-by-jarek-duda/ [20:51] TR Bot LibrePlanet 2022 Talk Software Patent Issues (by Jarek Duda) | Techrights [20:52] DaemonFC I certainly don't plan to take the bus. [20:52] bnchs we can solve climate change [20:52] bnchs by not farting [20:52] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163082 [20:52] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [20:53] DaemonFC Not with something that's burning hundreds of gallons of diesel, obstructing traffic, and is 10% full, mostly with bums, because they have nowhere to be quickly anyway. [20:53] DaemonFC (The bus.) [20:53] bnchs lol [20:53] activelow climate change can be solved by simply not wasting resources and energy, without any loss in comfort almost always [20:53] bnchs buses are where you're gonna get mugged [20:53] bnchs and get your wallet stolen [20:53] DaemonFC I used to call the red line in Chicago "The auger.". [20:54] DaemonFC It would grab criminals from South Chicago and bring them to their victims in the north. [20:54] DaemonFC If you look at violent crime in the north side of Chicago, most of it happens near the red line. [20:54] DaemonFC If you can get even 6-8 blocks away from the red line, it tapers off a lot. [20:55] DaemonFC Like, in Rogers Park, 80-90% of it happens at Loyola and Howard, and about 2-3 blocks from there. [20:55] bnchs i wonder why people use VS [20:55] MinceR https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/ginkgo [20:55] TR Bot Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Ginkgo [20:55] bnchs its godawful for anything non-windows [20:57] DaemonFC MICROS~1 Visual Shitheap [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 16.20 average k/sec., average swarm size 302.20 [20:59] DaemonFC "We have a decoy heap so WHEN the program corrupts it, we can replace it in the background!" [20:59] DaemonFC MICROS~1 DISTIN~1 ENGINE~1 SOLUTI~1 ● Mar 28 [21:00] MinceR :> [21:00] bnchs DaemonFC: VS is a joke [21:00] bnchs you cant make the program require adminstrator privs [21:01] bnchs without using their shitty installation crap [21:01] bnchs which is unnessary [21:01] bnchs they just force it on you [21:02] bnchs i just remember using it [21:03] bnchs and couldnt make the program require admin privs [21:03] bnchs without a workaround or some shit [21:04] leah anyway [21:04] leah that's the way the news goes [21:05] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [21:06] TR News COVID-19 in the UK: Deaths Soar to About 1,000 a Week as Hospitals See Rise From About 10,000 Patients to Almost 20,000 http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/28/borisnaro-piling-up-high/ [21:06] TR Bot Blog Archive COVID-19 in the UK: Deaths Soar to About 1,000 a Week as Hospitals See Rise From About 10,000 Patients to Almost 20,000 [21:08] TR News Deck-building RPG 'Tainted Grail: Conquest' releases for Linux | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/deck-building-rpg-tainted-grail-conquest-releases-for-linux/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [21:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/deck-building-rpg-tainted-grail-conquest-releases-for-linux/ [21:08] TR Bot RPG 'Tainted Grail: Conquest' releases for Linux | GamingOnLinux [21:09] DaemonFC https://www.salon.com/2021/10/05/mike-lindells-new-genius-plan-knock-on-your-door-and-ask-whether-youre/ [21:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2021/10/05/mike-lindells-new-genius-plan-knock-on-your-door-and-ask-whether-youre/ [21:09] TR Bot Lindell's new genius plan: Knock on your door and ask whether you're dead | Salon.com [21:09] DaemonFC They left John on the voter rolls here, and he hasn't lived here in over two years. [21:10] DaemonFC You'd have to be an idiot to risk a voter fraud charge to add one vote to the box in a county with a million people in it. [21:10] DaemonFC Especially when the Democrat Party will stuff the ballot box themselves anyway. [21:11] TR News [GIT PULL] Char/Misc and other driver updates for 5.18-rc1 - Greg KH https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YkG6jOtPmhHehQoz@kroah.com/ Source: kroah [21:11] TR Bot [GIT PULL] Char/Misc and other driver updates for 5.18-rc1 - Greg KH [21:12] TR News Debian decides to allow secret votes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163083 [21:12] TR Bot Debian decides to allow secret votes | Tux Machines [21:21] TR News "So containers, we know them for years now but they still tend to cause us problems thanks to the extra layers of abstraction, storage and Networking." https://blog.tomecek.net/post/debugging-container-networking/ [21:21] TR Bot Debugging container networking: first steps Blog | Tom Tomeek [21:25] TR News Just spoke to my nurse aunt in Yorkshire and ANOTHER colleague (and friend) committed suicide. Not the first. This wave of trouble leads to depression. It is not improving. [21:25] TR News If you think this thing is over, youve been conned http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/28/borisnaro-piling-up-high/ [21:26] TR News "I am big fan of Box86 and Box64 (as well as pretty much everything PtitSeb does) and a few months ago he made it possible to run some Linux Games on Steam (using the mini-mode, the full client is not yet supported)." https://boilingsteam.com/you-can-now-run-steam-games-with-proton-on-an-arm-pc-thanks-to-progress-made-on-box86/ [21:26] TR Bot You can now Run Steam Games with Proton on an ARM PC Thanks to Progress Made on Box86! - Boiling Steam [21:27] TR News "Turns out that FrostWork (the main developer) has now access to a Deck and you may see SteamTinkerLaunch on Steam Deck..." https://boilingsteam.com/steamtinkerlaunch-on-steam-deck-signs-of-support/ [21:27] TR Bot SteamTinkerLaunch on Steam Deck: Signs of Support - Boiling Steam [21:28] TR News Tory slogan/motto proposal for next election (if you're a Tory): profit and business over people. COVID-19 is over. Also: NHS is just a business. More patients, more business. [21:30] *bnchs (~bnchs@rpt27srzpmtni.irc) has joined #techrights [21:30] bnchs /history #techrights 1h [21:31] schestowitz-TR ooof [21:31] bnchs how [21:31] bnchs how did it send [21:33] TR News Games: Steam, Tainted Grail: Conquest, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163084 [21:33] TR Bot Games: Steam, Tainted Grail: Conquest, and More | Tux Machines [21:34] MinceR (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/N7P4PyW [21:34] Alternative link Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/N7P4PyW [21:34] TR Bot - Album on Imgur [21:36] bnchs "The Steam Decks preinstalled operating system is a version of Linux used to launch games from a Steam library. The immediate concern with the Decks OS is that itll lock you into using the Steam Games Launcher and the limited span of titles that comes with." [21:37] bnchs ok then you look at the following [21:37] bnchs "Theoretically, installing Windows 10 on the Steam Deck should allow the Deck to access Xbox Gamepass, PlayStation Now, and the Epic Game Store from the device. On top of that, it might make live streaming from the Steam Deck easier" [21:37] bnchs ok so game blogs are now masochists [21:38] bnchs they first begin with the tim swine-e argument [21:38] bnchs and then encourage steam deck to install an entirely different OS, to get the same thing they can do in the regular steam deck OS [21:39] bnchs i'm convinced IGN is a microsoft shill [21:39] bnchs i mean you can already access PS Now from the steam deck's firefox browser [21:39] bnchs and epic games store = heroic games launcher [21:40] TR News Has clownflare blacklisted my IP address, except if I run JavaScript??? I cannot even access some sites' RSS feeds... [21:40] bnchs and xbox gamepass = M$ bullshit [21:41] TR News Clownflare is cancer on the Web. Do not use it. It doesn't protect you. It's harming you and protecting Clownflare's own business interests. [21:41] bnchs techrights-news: funny thing i had to go through 3 motherfucking "anti-ddos" scans [21:41] bnchs one for the main website [21:41] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163085 [21:41] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [21:41] bnchs 2 for the thumbnail and image servers [21:42] bnchs "Additionally, using Windows means that if you're a subscriber to Xbox Game Pass" [21:43] schestowitz test https://www.howtoforge.com/feed [21:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: howtoforge.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.howtoforge.com/feed [21:43] schestowitz can y'all give that url a go? [21:43] schestowitz tell me if it give you JS challenge [21:43] schestowitz *gives [21:43] bnchs sure [21:44] schestowitz wow and it also rejects falkkon [21:44] schestowitz clownflare=-cancer [21:44] bnchs it did [21:44] bnchs i hate clownflare [21:45] schestowitz-TR so it ran JS for you? [21:45] schestowitz-TR before letting you in? [21:45] bnchs yeah [21:45] schestowitz-TR even for RSS feed? [21:45] bnchs yes [21:45] schestowitz-TR Remember RSS readers cannot get past it [21:45] bnchs this is nothing new [21:45] schestowitz-TR so those sites just committed suicide [21:45] psydruid didn't IGN buy Humble Bundle and discontinue games for Linux and macOS? [21:45] schestowitz-TR and they don't know i [21:45] schestowitz-TR it [21:45] bnchs i had to go through this shit 3 times [21:45] schestowitz-TR should I email them? [21:45] bnchs one for the main website [21:45] schestowitz-TR this has gone on for about a week [21:45] bnchs 2 for the image server and thumbnails server [21:45] bnchs without the image server [21:45] bnchs the image just doesnt appear [21:46] bnchs this is for a website [21:46] schestowitz-TR clownflare protects them from visitors [21:46] schestowitz-TR clownflare protects them from traffic [21:46] schestowitz-TR clownflare protects them from audience [21:46] schestowitz-TR well done, CF [21:46] schestowitz-TR they have nothing to lose [21:46] schestowitz-TR the sites do [21:46] bnchs clownflare cant tell if the server is supposed to serve HTML [21:46] bnchs or other types [21:46] schestowitz-TR CF: let us mine some "crypto" on your machine [21:46] bnchs so it automatically assumes it serves HTML [21:47] psydruid "special military operation" on GNU/Linux on behalf of Microsoft [21:47] bnchs thus breaking shit like video players, image viewers [21:47] schestowitz-TR I'll focus even more on gemini [21:47] bnchs RSS feed readers [21:47] schestowitz-TR the www is already cancerous [21:47] schestowitz-TR even rss feeds are not expected to solve JS challenges [21:47] schestowitz-TR w t actual f! [21:47] bnchs schestowitz-TR: they already inject telemetry script to html pages [21:48] bnchs that goes away after you refresh [21:48] bnchs to hide the fact it was there [21:48] bnchs i like xbox gamepass [21:48] TR News "Whitney joined Jerm Warfare for a conversation covering her journey into journalism and Chile; fact-checkers; Bill Gates; central intelligence; Facebook versus mass surveillance; Jeffrey Epstein" https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/jerm-warfare-deep-diving-into-epstein-9-11-covid-and-more/ [21:48] Alternative link Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/press/jerm-warfare-deep-diving-into-epstein-9-11-covid-and-more/ [21:48] TR Bot Jerm Warfare: Deep Diving Into EPSTEIN, 9/11, COVID, and more [21:48] bnchs and how xbox gamepass is locked to windows [21:49] bnchs they mention it in the steam deck (how to install windows) blog post [21:49] psydruid Xbox gamepass is cool [21:49] bnchs "Additionally, using Windows means that if you're a subscriber to Xbox Game Pass" [21:49] bnchs yeah xbox gamepass [21:49] bnchs microsoft buying out game companies [21:50] bnchs locking them into windows [21:50] bnchs they wouldnt do this if their OS wasnt rotting [21:50] psydruid it encrypts your game files in such a way that the only thing that gives you back your storage is formatting the entire drive [21:50] bnchs its obvious they doing this to regain market share [21:50] bnchs going the hard way [21:51] psydruid I hope they'll buy up all gaming companies [21:51] bnchs you dont see tim swine-e complain about this [21:51] bnchs hes too busy up on apple's ass [21:51] bnchs and sucking M$'s dick [21:52] TR News Electromechanical four-digit seven-segment clock displays the time silently | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/28/electromechanical-four-digit-seven-segment-clock-displays-the-time-silently/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking [21:52] Alternative link Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/28/electromechanical-four-digit-seven-segment-clock-displays-the-time-silently/ [21:52] TR Bot Electromechanical four-digit seven-segment clock displays the time silently | Arduino Blog [21:52] psydruid he only sees the pearls that have been cast before him [21:52] psydruid since he is a swine-e after all [21:54] bnchs xbox gamepass and epic games store are hell-bent on locking games to windows [21:54] psydruid Microsoft probably realizes that they can buy all the companies in the world and it still won't do anything for them [21:55] psydruid new companies will come up all the tine [21:55] TR News Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point https://puri.sm/posts/crossing-the-chasm-toward-the-tipping-point/ Todd Weaver. Leah might have a thing to say... [21:55] TR Bot Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point Purism [21:55] bnchs their os isnt for productive usage anyway [21:55] psydruid it's like Intel thinking that x86 processors will forever be in demand [21:55] bnchs like most windows users, its just a gaming OS [21:55] bnchs essentially a toy OS [21:56] bnchs and forever will be [21:56] psydruid now they feel threatened because it might not even be a gaming OS in the future [21:57] bnchs thats why they're buying out all these game companies and locking them to windows [21:57] bnchs its the only thing that matters to them [21:57] psydruid I haven't bought a Windows game in ages [21:58] bnchs windows shills are still acting that linux isnt ready for desktop [21:58] bnchs that its unstable and theres fewer people using it [21:58] bnchs and "headaches" [21:58] psydruid citing "95%" market share on desktops [21:59] psydruid it's more like 75% now [21:59] TR News "Valves Steam Deck is adept at running everything from indie PC games like Tunic to power-hungry AAA titles like Cyberpunk 2077 and Elden Ring. But its rapidly becoming known for another strength: its ability to emulate a vast range of retro and current consoles, from the Atari 2600" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163084#comment-33223 [21:59] TR Bot Games: Steam, Tainted Grail: Conquest, and More | Tux Machines [21:59] psydruid and even lower in the US [21:59] psydruid I think that's the thing that worries them the most ● Mar 28 [22:00] psydruid they're losing their home market [22:00] TR News Open Hardware/Modding: Librem, Arduino, and ESP32 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163086 [22:00] TR Bot Open Hardware/Modding: Librem, Arduino, and ESP32 | Tux Machines [22:00] bnchs yes [22:00] bnchs they've drove them away from their strict specs [22:00] bnchs nobody's buying another computer to run windows 11 [22:01] psydruid Skylake runs GNU/Linux perfectly [22:02] psydruid Alder Lake runs it 3 times as perfectly [22:02] TR News MangoPis SD-card sized Linux PC Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163087 [22:02] TR Bot MangoPi's SD-card sized Linux PC | Tux Machines [22:03] schestowitz-TR psydruid: riscv ^^ [22:03] bnchs i have interest in m68k [22:03] bnchs something about them attracts me [22:03] schestowitz-TR check out the size [22:03] schestowitz-TR w [22:03] schestowitz-TR t [22:03] schestowitz-TR f [22:04] schestowitz "showing off a new computer-on-a-module thats smaller than an SD card, but which packs four ARM Cortex-A53 CPU cores, " [22:04] bnchs lol [22:04] psydruid sometimes I wonder if Microsoft is running some "special military operation" to make GNU/Linux just as bloated as Windows 11, so the latter doesn't look as bad anymore [22:04] bnchs accurate representation of the size of gnu/linux [22:04] schestowitz-TR apple: hold ma beer [22:04] bnchs gnu/linux would be anorexic [22:04] psydruid schestowitz, we knew it was coming [22:04] schestowitz-TR coming soon, a 20KG machine for $5000 with 50watts sockets [22:04] bnchs and windows would be a giant landwhale [22:04] bnchs it was obvious [22:05] schestowitz-TR microsoft=bribery [22:05] schestowitz-TR microsoft "success"= crime [22:05] bnchs in the future, you wouldnt be able to run windows in laptops [22:05] psydruid this will marginalise Microsoft and Apple [22:05] schestowitz-TR microsoft sponsors: biden, trump [22:05] schestowitz-TR MOAR money, for... erm... hololens something [22:05] schestowitz-TR never mind if they canned ALL the staff [22:05] schestowitz-TR give these gentlemen 22,000,000,000 bucks [22:06] schestowitz-TR the us taxpayers will pay back 2 generations from now [22:06] bnchs schestowitz-TR: there should be a BMI for computer software [22:06] schestowitz-TR psydruid: they will ban chinese companies [22:06] schestowitz-TR then blackmail EU top do the same [22:06] schestowitz-TR UK will bow [22:06] schestowitz-TR the rest of Europe... more reluctantly [22:07] schestowitz-TR first they ignore [22:07] schestowitz-TR then they ban [22:07] schestowitz-TR then you windows [22:07] schestowitz-TR "illegal" technology [22:07] bnchs windows wouldnt be able to run in a SD-card sized computer [22:07] schestowitz-TR too competive [22:07] bnchs because it is too big for that [22:07] schestowitz-TR quick, microbell, MOAR x86 ads! [22:07] schestowitz-TR [19:35] Microbell us running Intel ads again https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Core-i9-12900KS [22:07] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Core-i9-12900KS [22:07] TR Bot Launches The Core i9 12900KS At Up To 5.5GHz Alder Lake - Phoronix [22:08] schestowitz-TR [20:17] Not about Linux. Intel SPAM. x86 is relic./ C'mon, Liam... https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-announced-the-core-i9-12900ks-as-the-worlds-fastest-desktop-processor/ [22:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/intel-announced-the-core-i9-12900ks-as-the-worlds-fastest-desktop-processor/ [22:08] TR Bot announced the Core i9 12900KS as the 'world's fastest desktop processor' | GamingOnLinux [22:08] bnchs lol [22:08] schestowitz-TR CNX did one too [22:08] bnchs fastest desktop processor [22:08] schestowitz-TR some chinese company a few hours ago... wait, no, japenese [22:08] bnchs so windows can eat more than 75% of it [22:08] schestowitz-TR some intel crap [22:08] bnchs and leave you with nothing [22:08] schestowitz-TR but power bills [22:09] psydruid x86 hardware from 6-10 years ago is already fast enough [22:09] schestowitz-TR i mean, energy prices are soooo low now [22:09] schestowitz-TR right? [22:09] schestowitz-TR all my laptops but one are old [22:09] schestowitz-TR 2016 ish [22:09] bnchs schestowitz-TR: microsoft expects you to have the following things [22:09] bnchs 1) a 1TB SSD [22:09] bnchs 2) more than 16 gb ram [22:09] schestowitz-TR lol [22:10] schestowitz-TR what for? [22:10] bnchs 3) a very modern processor [22:10] psydruid and ARM and RISC-V hardware is reaching the same performance levels with much lower power consumption [22:10] schestowitz-TR what software uses up that RAM? [22:10] bnchs schestowitz-TR: microsoft's towers of technical debt [22:10] schestowitz-TR sad [22:10] schestowitz-TR for the machinew [22:10] schestowitz-TR it'll choke up on its own blood [22:10] schestowitz-TR and vomit it out [22:10] schestowitz-TR after 2 years [22:10] schestowitz-TR buy a new machine [22:11] bnchs its like a fatass [22:11] bnchs that cant lose weight [22:11] bnchs soon it will be unusable [22:11] bnchs and die [22:11] psydruid can only gain more weight [22:11] schestowitz-TR no, no [22:11] schestowitz-TR the bribes will need to be higher [22:11] psydruid and die of a heart attack [22:11] schestowitz-TR and they will need to gag their directors harders [22:11] schestowitz-TR so that they stop talking to the media about the bribes [22:11] schestowitz-TR *harder [22:12] bnchs they're gonna need higher bribes [22:12] bnchs maybe to offset the expensive hardware [22:12] bnchs to have even a bit of usability [22:12] schestowitz-TR other perks possible [22:13] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/microsoft-orgies-and-drugs/ [22:13] TR Bot Microsoft Refuses to Comment About (Deny) the Sex Parties, Drug Use | Techrights [22:13] schestowitz ask at the reception for available perks [22:13] schestowitz if the bribes are not enough [22:13] psydruid Windows 11 is slow in a VM and probably slow on bare metal too [22:13] bnchs its like a fatass that needs more powerful mobility scooters [22:13] bnchs every year [22:13] psydruid it's a product no one wants and asked for [22:14] bnchs and chairs that can hold more weight [22:15] bnchs eventually the chairs and mobility scooters will be so expensive [22:15] bnchs that its becoming less and less worth it to keep it going [22:15] psydruid those are better for hitting developers who don't comply with the rules [22:16] psydruid they are heavier and make a bigger impact [22:16] bnchs this is why windows 11 has a shopping list of specs [22:17] bnchs "yeah i gotta need a mobility scooter that can hold up to 600 pounds [22:17] bnchs and maybe a bed that can hold my shit" [22:17] bnchs all kinds of fat metaphors [22:17] bnchs gnu/linux is like that anorexic guy [22:18] bnchs that doesnt make an impact on performance [22:20] psydruid my niece can't work with windows (anymore) [22:20] TR News Links 28/03/2022: Porteus Kiosk 5.4.0 and Debian Secret Votes | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/debian-secret-votes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/28/debian-secret-votes/ [22:20] TR Bot Links 28/03/2022: Porteus Kiosk 5.4.0 and Debian Secret Votes | Techrights [22:20] bnchs well obviously [22:20] psydruid I doubt it will even exist in another generation [22:20] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163088 [22:20] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:20] TR News Anchor Free Software in the 2022 German Federal Budget! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163089 [22:20] TR Bot Anchor Free Software in the 2022 German Federal Budget! | Tux Machines [22:20] bnchs when a OS becomes morbidly obese, it becomes harder for them to do daily activites [22:21] bnchs i can make up all kinds of fat metaphors for windows [22:23] DaemonFC "No. Those businesses have no lobbying muscle at all. And more to the point, the various mayors and governors gave zero fucks about those businesses during the decades when the tech companies were building their own "free" cafeterias and restaurants directly into their office towers. Those companies did the math and figured out that if they served their employee a $6 meal in-house, they'd get an extra 2 hours work out of them every day. And all [22:23] DaemonFC they had to do was shank that hot dog cart, that food truck, that pizzeria. Zero fucks were given while that was happening." [22:23] DaemonFC The Catholic Church slashed mom's pension and hours. [22:24] MinceR https://i.imgur.com/MSZQtZI.jpeg [22:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/MSZQtZI.jpeg [22:24] DaemonFC But she still gets "free" meals on her shifts. What's left of them. [22:24] DaemonFC It essentially costs them nothing because they order industrial sized quantities of food from their vendors anyway. In fact, the more they order, the cheaper it is per unit. [22:25] DaemonFC So feeding employees doesn't really cost anything. [22:25] bnchs what do they feed them [22:25] TR News manley gemini://november.smol.pub/two-genders [22:25] DaemonFC Whatever the nursing home residents there are eating that day. [22:25] DaemonFC She said it is good stuff. [22:26] TR News ICBM pushing more buzzwords, not security https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/5-security-considerations-edge-implementations [22:26] TR Bot 5 security considerations for edge implementations [22:28] TR News "Cloudflare "server" is third ahead of the traditional third (Microsoft IIS) - I somewhat knew that Cloudflare was hosting a lot of stuff, but I somehow didn't expect to see it there at all for some reason" https://anarc.at/blog/2022-03-28-wtf-web-servers/ [22:28] TR Bot What is going on with web servers - anarcat [22:29] leah 22:26 so anyway, i made a joke earlier about zfs, regarding its data integrity and checksumming capabilitys, and general resiliency [22:29] leah 22:27 i also said hammer2 is pretty similar, but the joke went like: [22:29] leah 22:27 --> red_ (~red@2a0a-a546-809c-0-6050-bc23-7379-7c1d.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de) has joined #fsf [22:29] leah 22:27 btrfs has similar capabilities, to a lesser extent [22:29] leah 22:28 >lesser extent [22:29] TR News Better delete it and use a better browser, which isn't proprietary and maintained by NSA partner https://www.itechpost.com/articles/109754/20220328/update-google-chrome-download-security-computer-android.htm [22:29] TR Bot Update Google Chrome Now: How To Download Chrome Security Update on Mac, Linux, Windows, Android | iTech Post [22:29] leah thought i'd also share it here. it's a very sophisticated joke about extents [22:29] leah > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extent_(file_systems) [22:29] TR Bot Extent (file systems) - Wikipedia [22:30] TR News "Cyber security is a huge topic, and through the years the industry changes rapidly to keep up with current threats and related challenges. As a result, some of the beliefs and mindsets we've adopted in the industry have changed as well" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_UA_ClVQ5DY [22:30] TR Bot Enterprise Linux Security Episode 23 - Busting 5 IT Security Myths - Invidious [22:31] schestowitz-TR leah: to what extent do you find that humourous|? [22:31] schestowitz-TR btw: [22:31] leah to the extent that fsck is obsolete [22:31] leah zfs doesn't have it [22:31] leah :P [22:31] schestowitz-TR [21:55] Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point https://puri.sm/posts/crossing-the-chasm-toward-the-tipping-point/ Todd Weaver. Leah might have a thing to say... [22:31] TR Bot Crossing the Chasm Toward the Tipping Point Purism [22:32] schestowitz-TR i heard he is an unpleasant person to work with or for [22:33] leah whatever [22:33] leah fuck purism [22:33] TR News Anjandev Momis talk was uploaded 50 minutes ago http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/anjandev-momi-talk/ [22:33] leah i crossed the chasm back in 2013 [22:33] TR Bot LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Sxmo: Freedom on Mobile Devices Through Simplicity and Hackability | Techrights [22:34] schestowitz-TR purr ism [22:34] TR News Jarek Dudas talk was uploaded 55 minutes ago http://techrights.org/2022/03/28/ans-talk-by-jarek-duda/ [22:34] TR Bot LibrePlanet 2022 Talk Software Patent Issues (by Jarek Duda) | Techrights [22:34] activelow so, patched away cmake in a handful of packages required in the base system; there is no helpers to migrate cmake back to autotools [22:35] activelow either old configure.ac etc are available, or some simple Makefile has to be written [22:35] activelow that's nasty, because packages which otherwise do not need a c++ compiler, when cmake is involved it is required, to build cmake [22:36] activelow anyway, it isn't many packages affected, not yet. [22:36] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163090 [22:36] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [22:37] bnchs wow [22:37] DaemonFC https://www.nature.com/articles/s4225%206-022-00465-9?fbclid=IwAR11_V1cd9SUxEvUfwrWMA7TUcroyYIY1nBDUL3KaS-8B4rG5MIqZCmjm0M [22:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: nature.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nature.com/articles/s4225%206-022-00465-9?fbclid=IwAR11_V1cd9SUxEvUfwrWMA7TUcroyYIY1nBDUL3KaS-8B4rG5MIqZCmjm0M [22:37] TR Bot ( status 400 @ https://www.nature.com/articles/s4225 6-022-00465-9?fbclid=IwAR11_V1cd9SUxEvUfwrWMA7TUcroyYIY1nBDUL3KaS-8B4rG5MIqZCmjm0M&error=cookies_not_supported&code=6cda2515-6403-48a0-a1df-3f43bd539cf2 ) [22:37] bnchs activelow: have you thought about allowing a specific version of c++ [22:37] bnchs maybe C++98? [22:37] activelow bnchs: of cause, yet c++ is not permitted in the base system; it will be available outside the basesystem only [22:38] DaemonFC "In less than 6 hours after starting on our in-house server, our model generated 40,000 molecules that scored within our desired threshold. In the process, the AI designed not only VX, but also many other known chemical warfare agents that we identified through visual confirmation with structures in public chemistry databases. [22:38] DaemonFC Many new molecules were also designed that looked equally plausible. These new molecules were predicted to be more toxic, based on the predicted LD50 values, than publicly known chemical warfare agents. This was unexpected because the datasets we used for training the AI did not include these nerve agents. [22:38] DaemonFC The virtual molecules even occupied a region of molecular property space that was entirely separate from the many thousands of molecules in the organism-specific LD50 model, which comprises mainly pesticides, environmental toxins and drugs. By inverting the use of our machine learning models, we had transformed our innocuous generative model from a helpful tool of medicine to a generator of likely deadly molecules." [22:38] bnchs yeah [22:38] bnchs maybe a c++ repo [22:38] bnchs for the oackage manager [22:38] DaemonFC They "accidentally" created an "AI" to design neurotoxins instead of medicine? [22:39] activelow bnchs: ? [22:39] bnchs DaemonFC: portal reference [22:39] bnchs activelow: i mean packages for c++98 packages [22:40] TR News Corrupt Gartner, bribed by serial briber Microsoft https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/GARTNER-INC-40311131/news/Gartner-It-s-Time-to-Implement-MFA-for-Remote-Privileged-Access-to-Linux-Servers-39890331/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group [22:40] TR Bot : It's Time to Implement MFA for Remote Privileged Access to Linux Servers | MarketScreener [22:40] TR Bot Gartner Group - Techrights [22:41] activelow no, i created a gentoo profile and overlay which prevents any c++ dependency; and with emerge utility an ordinary profile which permits c++ will reside in a separated $sysroot [22:41] MinceR what's wrong about newer c++ versions than 98? [22:41] bnchs activelow: i get it [22:41] bnchs c++98 only has the basic amounts of c++ [22:41] bnchs like classes and namespace [22:42] bnchs i think [22:42] activelow probably various libstdc++ extensions too [22:42] TR News Jack M. Germain helps the FUD campaign looking to stigmatise Free software as the real security problem https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/new-platform-pushes-data-dirty-pipe-and-dns-tunnel-pollute-linux-plumbing-87468.html [22:42] TR Bot Platform Pushes Data, Dirty Pipe and DNS Tunnel Pollute Linux Plumbing | LinuxInsider [22:43] activelow btw. when working for german automotive car manufacturer, they did allow C++ _without_ exceptions and rtti only [22:43] TR News This busy-loop is not a security issue | daniel.haxx.se https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/this-busy-loop-is-not-a-security-issue/ Source: curl [22:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/28/this-busy-loop-is-not-a-security-issue/ [22:43] TR Bot busy-loop is not a security issue | daniel.haxx.se [22:44] activelow and, with the C-only criteria i am rather relaxed even, since automotive insists on MISRA-C even, in some places [22:44] activelow meaning, c++, no exceptions, no-rtti [22:45] activelow because they didn't want the compiler to generate some code; instead implemented custom error handlers explicitely [22:45] activelow that's another reason why, i find C11 _generic macro suspicios, for example, which sneaked into kernel v5.10 [22:46] *matey (~matey@gph63bcnfvisc.irc) has joined #techrights [22:46] matey /me just came to laugh at debian [22:47] matey fsf has anti-whistleblower policy, debian has secret voting [22:47] matey next freedesktop will start doing blood oaths [22:47] MinceR or it could just become a division of ibm/deadrat [22:47] matey (though im pretty sure lennart is a standin for mark zuckerberg at bohemian grove already) [22:47] MinceR or of whatever will form from the merger of MICROS~1 and ibm/deadrat [22:47] TR News ICBM: "We will be updating and rebooting various servers to bring them up to date. During the outage window any services may be up and down as proxies and gateways are rebooted. Any fedoraproject services may be affected with the exception of mirrorlists and static web content." [22:48] matey micbmrosoft [22:48] TR News Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163091 [22:48] TR Bot Security and Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt (FUD) Leftovers | Tux Machines [22:48] MinceR fuckerberg is too cool to go to bohemian grove personally? [22:48] MinceR i see what you did there [22:49] matey i think lennart is a horcrux for zuckerberg [22:49] schestowitz-TR matey: so now debian has more things to be leaked [22:49] psydruid how many (substance ab)users does fedora still have? [22:50] MinceR :) [22:50] TR News You Cant Afford NOT To See This Movie! (Save Yourself and Your Data) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=p75Yx-2liRA Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia [22:50] TR Bot You Can't Afford NOT To See This Movie! (Save Yourself and Your Data) - Invidious [22:50] matey maybe this is like when lindsay lohan has her "iphone hacked" [22:50] TR News Alpine 3.12.11, 3.13.9, 3.14.5 and 3.15.3 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163092 [22:50] TR Bot Alpine 3.12.11, 3.13.9, 3.14.5 and 3.15.3 released | Tux Machines [22:50] matey aur debian just wants to be noticed more [22:51] matey fedebian, coming soon [22:51] matey debora sounds too much like deborah [22:51] activelow that's remarkable too, none of the major distros can downgrade anymore to what BaphometOS offers [22:51] schestowitz deb in debian is deborah [22:52] matey i know [22:52] matey so fedebian makes more sense than deb + fedora = debora [22:52] matey fedian [22:52] DaemonFC fuduntu [22:52] schestowitz debLAN [22:52] matey im still partial to debibm [22:53] activelow meaning none of those distros could offer a clean c-only base system anymore even if they wanted to [22:53] matey we could be overreacting [22:53] matey baphometos sounds like the sort of thing they would vote on in secret [22:53] schestowitz-TR big bulls [22:53] schestowitz-TR (eye) [22:54] kingoffrance i like the name, it will keep away shallow ppl. the worst thing that ever happened to freebsd is when they got the ball logo :/ [22:54] matey /me thinks alan partridge should make a distro called fernandOS [22:54] bnchs matey: free desktop will start group praying to cthulu [22:54] activelow same with the *BSD, who switched to llvm/clang and/or modern gcc; doubt they could fork/back-down anymore [22:54] TR News "There is some weird software for Linux out there and some of the weirdest are in the file manager and file viewer space especially when you start looking at the older software which hasn't been updated in years and fsv is one of those" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bTSWxE0iY3o [22:54] TR Bot Another Weird File Viewer You've Never Heard Of - Invidious [22:55] matey bnchs: if freedesktop gets worse great old ones might start praying to them [22:55] matey lennart systemd ftagn! [22:55] matey WHO SUMMONED ME [22:56] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [22:56] matey usually "wontfix" isnt written in wet, dripping ethereal blood [22:56] activelow the problem with baphometos... i cannot easily upgrade to recent kernel versions anymore, patched kernel-5.10 was a slight headache already, and chances are it gets worse with later version [22:57] matey "i cannot easily upgrade to recent kernel versions anymore" this is a feature [22:57] activelow maybe, OpenBSD didn't loose track of their portable c compiler, hadn't heard of any progress since year 2007 anymore [22:57] matey i dont believe compatibility with anything but llvm is a goal [22:57] matey granted, i am no fan of llvm [22:57] kingoffrance "Another Weird File Viewer You've Never Heard Of" fsv is well known...." It is a clone of SGI's fsn file manager for IRIX" they used it to manage jurassic park [22:57] *bnchs (~bnchs@rpt27srzpmtni.irc) has joined #techrights [22:58] matey /me used fsv years ago-- in debian [22:58] MinceR what is there in debian that the cult of gnome/proprietarydesktop.org/systemd/systemd-kerneld wants to adopt anyway? [22:58] matey mincer: the souls of countless virgin users [22:58] matey (im not saying theyre all virgins-- they certainly fucked us pretty good) [22:58] bnchs they gather the souls [22:58] bnchs to use as energy [22:58] psydruid "I will eat your soul" [22:59] MinceR then all they need to do is have debian switch from a somewhat independent systemd/systemd-kerneld distribution to a fedora spin [22:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.81 k/sec., IPFS upstream 25.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 307.40 [22:59] MinceR they can just put their own name and logo on it [22:59] matey if debian isnt a fedora spin already [22:59] psydruid "come to daddy" [22:59] MinceR afaik they waste a lot of work on reproducing fedora currently [22:59] DaemonFC The Cyberdemon got me a couple of times before I realized you couldn't hurt it without the Soul Cube. ● Mar 28 [23:00] kingoffrance s/cyber/system/ ? [23:00] matey if you play the debian installer backwards it says "HAIL KING BILL" [23:01] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/817819.jpg [23:01] Alternative link Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/817819.jpg [23:01] DaemonFC Doom 3 was a better game than Doom (2016). [23:01] DaemonFC The 2016 game is too easy. [23:02] matey the only reason ikea was mad is they didnt want people installed debian on it [23:02] bnchs its a legend [23:02] bnchs that debian gathers the souls of virgin users [23:02] bnchs to use for rituals for bad entities [23:02] matey theyre trying to open the portal [23:02] matey to let the undead armies through [23:03] XRevan86 MinceR: There is like a collection of Putin quotes that condemn what Putin later did. [23:03] MinceR :> [23:03] matey who will rewrite the entire repo in vbs [23:03] MinceR same as with orban [23:03] matey There is like a collection of Putin quotes that condemn what Putin later did. <- same as with gates on patents [23:04] matey debian in vbs: "almost as fuckawful as if they did it in rust" [23:04] matey r# is going to be the shit [23:04] matey its the unholy merger of rust and mono [23:04] MinceR :) [23:04] MinceR yes, but without "the" [23:05] matey first they redo the linux kernel in rust [23:05] matey then they redo rust in r# [23:05] MinceR :> [23:05] matey then gkh starts riding around in western europe topless on a horse [23:06] matey i still think he looks like jaws from the spy who loved me [23:06] matey is that bad [23:06] XRevan86 Putin 2008: it is unacceptable to consider leadership as permanent [23:06] MinceR lol [23:07] matey he meant OTHER leadership [23:07] matey OTHER leadership [23:07] XRevan86 it was regarding changing the Constitution of Russia [23:07] matey or possibly he was speaking only to foreign leaders [23:07] XRevan86 He said multiple times that it must not be changed. [23:08] matey "it is unacceptable to consider YOUR leadership as permanent" [23:08] matey it was mangled a little in translation [23:08] XRevan86 Of course he later changed it. [23:08] matey and then killed the editors [23:08] MinceR that's like the "granite-solid basic law" in hungary which was then amended several times in its first year by the same fideath that wrote it [23:09] MinceR 29 000156 < DaemonFC> The 2016 game is too easy. [23:09] MinceR have you tried it on ultra-nightmare? [23:10] matey it was regarding changing the Constitution of Russia <- it may have been regarding ethical source licenses [23:10] matey "this shouldnt be in a software license, but if its what the people want, im willing to grant it" [23:12] matey putin source licenses are going to be fun [23:13] matey restriction 3 is no one can change the source code of the software [23:13] matey but of course he still changes it [23:13] DaemonFC https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/03/london-breeds-big-covid-failure/ [23:13] TR Bot jwz: London Breed's big COVID failure [23:13] MinceR :> [23:13] activelow salary only in Rubles [23:13] matey oh speaking of restriction 3, its jwz.org [23:14] DaemonFC "Look up each and every statement Breed has made about COVID in the last, oh, six months or so, but replace "COVID" with "HIV" or "AIDS" and replace "masks" with "condoms." How does that sound to you? [23:14] DaemonFC Imagine the mayor of any city holding a press conference and declaring that no one needs to wear condoms ever again. Imagine that same mayor being seen publicly shirking the very anti-AIDS protocols they themselves put into effect and calling their critics "fun police." [23:14] DaemonFC Imagine that same mayor originally touting an anti-HIV vaccine -- one made in record time with astounding efficacy -- only to suddenly reverse course and say that everyone, infected or not, should just learn to "live with HIV/AIDS". [23:14] DaemonFC I know, I know: That's an absurd metaphor. After all, HIV isn't airborne." [23:14] DaemonFC Every Democrat, really. [23:14] DaemonFC It's an election year so now they take on the position the Republicans have had all along with COVID. [23:15] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:16] matey i suppose nancy pelosi is going to shock everyone when she comes into work wearing horns and painting her-- wait, how is that different from usual [23:17] matey and then posting it on facebook obviously [23:17] matey with her boots up on her own desk [23:19] matey and then jk rowling will tell us its actually hermoine granger nancy pelosi, all along [23:19] matey because when she was homeless and writing hp huddled under a bus stop she always fancied going into american politics [23:20] matey or maybe becoming megarich actually makes you insane [23:21] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/trending/walmart-to-end-cigarette-sales-in-some-stores [23:21] TR Bot Walmart to end cigarette sales in some stores | WGN-TV [23:21] DaemonFC Some.... [23:22] matey im pretty sure thats just because the employees are trading them as currency now [23:22] DaemonFC LOL [23:22] DaemonFC Hedging against inflation with cigarettes. [23:23] matey its not really a depression until people stop using cigarettes as currency and are forced to trade against packets of ramen [23:24] DaemonFC That first doctor I talked to about my blood pressure was so condescending. [23:24] DaemonFC "Don't eat ramen noodles!" three times... THREE. [23:24] DaemonFC After I said, "I don't eat those.". [23:24] activelow the videos from Ukraine, with alarm sirens, reminds me of my childhood, in east-germany, when those sirens regularly emitted their noise [23:24] matey ramen noodles being the leading cause of hypertension [23:24] matey youd think it was smoking [23:25] matey but actually, more people eat ramen [23:25] DaemonFC Well, the Gimmedat Party raised the taxes on those. [23:25] DaemonFC They're $13 a pack now. [23:25] DaemonFC So people buy trunks of them and drive back from Wisconsin. [23:25] DaemonFC Instant black market. [23:25] DaemonFC Or Black market. [23:25] matey i wont use an entire ramen seasoning packet of course [23:25] DaemonFC Or deny market. [23:25] matey i assume thats only meant for horses [23:26] matey cnn calls it "horse seasoning" but i really have no horse in that race [23:27] matey but there is a shitload of sodium in ramen packets [23:27] matey they might sneak some into the noodles, but i think its mostly in the seasoning packet [23:28] matey you can get hot sauce that has like a tenth as much sodium (not the most common brands) and use that instead [23:28] DaemonFC McCormick Horse Seasoning. [23:28] DaemonFC Seasons even the trickiest Mare. [23:28] DaemonFC Just like grandmother used to make. [23:28] matey i get mine from canada [23:29] matey i hear you can get it in maine, but i prefer customs to the car-eating potholes [23:30] matey the natives call the secret world beyond the potholes "carnia" [23:30] matey where ironically the roads are in perfect condition [23:30] DaemonFC Charlie Brown had the kite-eating tree. [23:31] MinceR lol [23:31] DaemonFC I have the car-eating pothole. [23:31] DaemonFC It's down by the police station. [23:31] DaemonFC I keep hoping that it opens up and swallows some of them before they get around to fixing it. [23:31] matey just paint a giant photo-realistic donut around it [23:32] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/817824.jpg [23:32] Alternative link Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/i/817824.jpg [23:34] matey /me sends it to simon phipps [23:34] matey he was very fond of implying that free software was just a pedantic quibble [23:35] matey in reality theres a very small difference between controlling your computing and spending years escaping the ibm/microsoft monopoly just to have them buy everything and shove it up your arse via a high speed modem [23:35] psydruid the sun never sets on Simon Phipps [23:36] matey and its a very small coincidence that he worked for ibm [23:37] matey famous backstabbing douchebags i talked on join diaspora who havent changed in more than a decade: matt lee, simon phipps [23:38] matey lovely fellow [23:39] matey i dont know how roy does it. the only way i can tell phipps apart from bilefield is phipps has cooler hair [23:40] matey it makes him look like a cross between andy warhol and billy bob thornton in sling blade, but thats better than bilefield. [23:43] matey i talked to esr once. it was more or less the same [23:44] matey for a bunch of people that spend decades saying theyre like free software but not a cult [23:44] matey i have a bit of trouble telling one from another [23:44] matey im 100 [23:44] matey % certin that phipps is more personable than molly [23:46] matey but only because mindreading is either extremely rare or doesnt exist at all [23:48] matey and phipps opened all the seals on osi [23:48] matey i have no idea why roy blames the things that came through after the seals were broken [23:48] matey they were already pounding on the gates to this dimension, what did he think was going to happen [23:49] DaemonFC "No working PS2 or PS3 emulator exists that will run on either macOS 12 x86 or Raspberry Pi. (If you intend to dispute this, you'd better have actually seen it running first.)" -JWZ [23:49] DaemonFC Yep, another reason to buy a Mac. [23:49] DaemonFC The Raspberry Pi is probably too weak. [23:50] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:50] *psymin has quit (Quit: Leaving) [23:51] matey the easiest way to emulate a ps3 is to have it ping sonys servers and refuse to do anything you want it to [23:51] matey im pretty sure you could do it with a bash script [23:51] matey then again, macos 12 doesnt include bash. [23:55] matey i have a raspberry pi emulator. i cut the mainboard out of an old netbook and stuck it in some legos