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| schestowitz | kitty-kat-kat | Jun 28 00:02 |
| CrystalMath | thank you for brightening things up a bit :) | Jun 28 00:02 |
| schestowitz | kitty-qt-qt-quick | Jun 28 00:02 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 28 00:02 |
| schestowitz | /me reads https://jucato.wordpress.com/2020/06/27/more-mis-adventures-in-qt-quick-land/ | Jun 28 00:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jucato.wordpress.com | More (mis-)adventures in Qt Quick land – Jucato | Jun 28 00:03 | |
| schestowitz | hours odl | Jun 28 00:03 |
| schestowitz | *old | Jun 28 00:03 |
| schestowitz | qt is still going proprietary | Jun 28 00:03 |
| schestowitz | a fork seems increasingly likely | Jun 28 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | for real? | Jun 28 00:03 |
| schestowitz | make a Kt | Jun 28 00:03 |
| schestowitz | KDEtoolkit | Jun 28 00:03 |
| CrystalMath | this is the second time i suppose | Jun 28 00:03 |
| schestowitz | have they outsourced to Microsoft (GH) yet? | Jun 28 00:04 |
| MinceR | KDE is dying too :( | Jun 28 00:04 |
| schestowitz | IBM abandoned it | Jun 28 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | who holds the copyright to Qt? | Jun 28 00:04 |
| schestowitz | days or a week after they said they'd buy Red Hot Pepper | Jun 28 00:04 |
| CrystalMath | what about all the patches to it? | Jun 28 00:04 |
| schestowitz | old versions are free | Jun 28 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | but isn't it GPL? | Jun 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | newer one less so, not free/libre, or limited time | Jun 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | LGPL iirc | Jun 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | they can relicense future releases | Jun 28 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | okay so | Jun 28 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | yeah but not without: | Jun 28 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | 1) removing all third party code | Jun 28 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | 2) getting permission to change the license from third party copyright holders | Jun 28 00:05 |
| CrystalMath | one of those two | Jun 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe they can dualise it | Jun 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz | old stuff libre | Jun 28 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | nope, not if it's LGPL | Jun 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz | extensions not | Jun 28 00:06 |
| CrystalMath | well that would be an LGPL violation | Jun 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz | mariadb does that, iirc | Jun 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz | or mysql used to | Jun 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz | so look up what they plan | Jun 28 00:06 |
| schestowitz | search 'qt open source commitment' | Jun 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz | they make it ambiguous and value | Jun 28 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | okay but i mean, who is the copyright holder | Jun 28 00:07 |
| schestowitz | get a scalpel to get what you can from their doublespeak | Jun 28 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | is it one organization or many people | Jun 28 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | like for example, on ReactOS | Jun 28 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | i contributed GPLv2+ code | Jun 28 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | but i own this code | Jun 28 00:07 |
| CrystalMath | ReactOS can't become proprietary without removing all of it | Jun 28 00:08 |
| CrystalMath | because it's GPLv2, and tightly integrated with everything | Jun 28 00:08 |
| CrystalMath | hence why i'm asking, is it the same case with Qt? who owns patches sent regarding Qt? | Jun 28 00:09 |
| schestowitz | not sure | Jun 28 00:09 |
| CrystalMath | the thing with the GPL is, any derivative must also be GPL, so you can't do "proprietary from now on" either | Jun 28 00:10 |
| CrystalMath | making OLD versions proprietary is not even possible with the BSD license! | Jun 28 00:10 |
| MinceR | wikipedia says Qt is also available under commercial licenses | Jun 28 00:10 |
| MinceR | so they probably have copyright assignment | Jun 28 00:10 |
| CrystalMath | well, okay then | Jun 28 00:12 |
| CrystalMath | one more reason not to use it! | Jun 28 00:13 |
| MinceR | if Qt Quick being unreliable and Qt having 1 or 2 whole web browsers integrated into it (necessitating an upgrade every time they're found vulnerable) was not enough :> | Jun 28 00:14 |
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| CrystalMath | i like the original X toolkit | Jun 28 00:19 |
| CrystalMath | XAW :) | Jun 28 00:19 |
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| MinceR | i like Tk | Jun 28 00:20 |
| MinceR | and TUI apps :> | Jun 28 00:20 |
| schestowitz | [00:10] <MinceR> wikipedia says Qt is also available under commercial licenses | Jun 28 00:21 |
| schestowitz | gpl is also commercial | Jun 28 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | But Corpopedia does not say "proprietary" | Jun 28 00:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 28 00:21 |
| schestowitz | if it's not oligarchs-owned, it's hippie-licensed | Jun 28 00:21 |
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| MinceR | copropedia | Jun 28 00:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yesterday all time high | Jun 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | today second highest: +41,562 and rising | Jun 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | the idea is, reopen when it's contained | Jun 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | but right now it seems to spread faster than ever | Jun 28 00:25 |
| MinceR | https://pics.me.me/welcome-my-lords-to-isengard-how-highare-you-no-gandalf-26170838.png | Jun 28 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, it's spreading among the fools who said don't worry about it, Trump knows what he's doing. | Jun 28 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fuck em. | Jun 28 00:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt even this will teach them a lesson, but there will be fewer of them. | Jun 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | voter turnout small | Jun 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | among the informed | Jun 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | higher among the rest | Jun 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | and no voting by mail | Jun 28 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy seems to be getting a promotion. | Jun 28 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That was fast. | Jun 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Trump knows what he's doing, even if he's demented | Jun 28 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A big promotion. | Jun 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | col | Jun 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | cool | Jun 28 00:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | From the lowest category of hourly employee to an hourly supervisor job in Loss Prevention. | Jun 28 00:28 |
| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/3bGC6Gh.gif?noredirect | Jun 28 00:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: same job you had in walmart a decade back? | Jun 28 00:30 |
| schestowitz | when they union-busted and trained you for it? | Jun 28 00:30 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | No, but he moved up to like 1 step below that and he hasn't even been there 2 months. | Jun 28 00:31 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: btw did you know X used to be called Project Athena? | Jun 28 00:31 |
| MinceR | i knew about Project Athena, but i didn't think it was Project Athena itself, only maybe part of it | Jun 28 00:32 |
| MinceR | after all, Xaw is not part of X | Jun 28 00:32 |
| MinceR | and neither is Xt | Jun 28 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | yeah but they were designed together | Jun 28 00:32 |
| MinceR | which is fine | Jun 28 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | and the original X apps all use Xaw | Jun 28 00:32 |
| MinceR | i know | Jun 28 00:32 |
| CrystalMath | so Xaw is the closest thing there is to a standard | Jun 28 00:32 |
| MinceR | the nice thing about X is that it does not need a "standard" widget toolkit | Jun 28 00:33 |
| MinceR | all widget toolkits can work with X on an equal footing | Jun 28 00:33 |
| CrystalMath | yeah but don't use GTK nor Qt | Jun 28 00:33 |
| CrystalMath | they suck | Jun 28 00:33 |
| MinceR | unlike, say, Backdoors, where one of them is built into the kernel | Jun 28 00:33 |
| MinceR | it's hard to avoid GTK and Qt nowadays | Jun 28 00:33 |
| CrystalMath | don't use GTK nor Qt | Jun 28 00:33 |
| CrystalMath | i used GTK2 only once back when i was stupid (2014) | Jun 28 00:34 |
| CrystalMath | i'm never using either of the two ever again | Jun 28 00:34 |
| CrystalMath | Xaw all the way | Jun 28 00:34 |
| MinceR | can Xaw do font antialiasing already? | Jun 28 00:34 |
| CrystalMath | Xaw can do bitmap fonts | Jun 28 00:35 |
| CrystalMath | in addition to bitmap fonts, you can also use fonts that maps of bits | Jun 28 00:35 |
| CrystalMath | *that are | Jun 28 00:35 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 28 00:35 |
| MinceR | then it's a non-starter for me | Jun 28 00:35 |
| CrystalMath | and bits of maps | Jun 28 00:35 |
| MinceR | Tk and FLTK can do it | Jun 28 00:35 |
| CrystalMath | hmm | Jun 28 00:35 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: the only GTK-using app right now on my system is freaking volumeicon | Jun 28 00:38 |
| CrystalMath | :D | Jun 28 00:38 |
| CrystalMath | and nothing qt is running | Jun 28 00:38 |
| CrystalMath | i checked /proc/*/maps | Jun 28 00:39 |
| CrystalMath | i should replace volumeicon! | Jun 28 00:40 |
| CrystalMath | then my system will be free of GTK *and* Qt | Jun 28 00:40 |
| MinceR | hm, i think FLDE is based on FLTK | Jun 28 00:41 |
| MinceR | so there's a DE that is free of GTK and Qt | Jun 28 00:42 |
| MinceR | it's kind of obscure though | Jun 28 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | i don't use a DE | Jun 28 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | i'm running FVWM | Jun 28 00:42 |
| MinceR | so am i | Jun 28 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | and xclock | Jun 28 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | and conky | Jun 28 00:42 |
| MinceR | though with some xfce4 components | Jun 28 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | eww | Jun 28 00:42 |
| MinceR | like the panel and the terminal | Jun 28 00:42 |
| CrystalMath | okay i'll admit, i'm using tint2 | Jun 28 00:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 28 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | but it doesn't appear to have gtk loaded | Jun 28 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | idk what it uses | Jun 28 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | cairo | Jun 28 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | it seems | Jun 28 00:43 |
| MinceR | tint2 seems to insist on showing all windows from all workspaces, which is not a great fit for my workflow | Jun 28 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | nope | Jun 28 00:43 |
| CrystalMath | taskbar_mode = single_desktop | Jun 28 00:44 |
| MinceR | ah, nice | Jun 28 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | but | Jun 28 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | i'm going to switch to FvwmButtons | Jun 28 00:44 |
| MinceR | does it work well on multihead systems? | Jun 28 00:44 |
| MinceR | tint2, i mean | Jun 28 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | i wouldn't know | Jun 28 00:44 |
| MinceR | :( | Jun 28 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | however the issue is | Jun 28 00:44 |
| MinceR | so many panels ignore multihead | Jun 28 00:44 |
| CrystalMath | it doesn't look like it's from the 90s | Jun 28 00:45 |
| CrystalMath | and that's why it's gonna go away | Jun 28 00:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 28 00:45 |
| CrystalMath | my window frames have hard 3D borders | Jun 28 00:45 |
| CrystalMath | that stand out | Jun 28 00:45 |
| CrystalMath | also i made the layout match motif / win3.11 | Jun 28 00:45 |
| MinceR | RISC OS existed through the 90s | Jun 28 00:45 |
| CrystalMath | okay 80s then | Jun 28 00:45 |
| CrystalMath | Xerox Alto | Jun 28 00:45 |
| CrystalMath | it also had hard 3D | Jun 28 00:45 |
| CrystalMath | skeuomorphism :) | Jun 28 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | i want my buttons to visibly depress | Jun 28 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | just like buttons in real life | Jun 28 00:46 |
| MinceR | KDE 1 also existed in the 90s | Jun 28 00:46 |
| MinceR | (1998) | Jun 28 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | because the gods know i use devices with real buttons | Jun 28 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | and i have no smartphone | Jun 28 00:46 |
| MinceR | RISC OS was released in 1987 | Jun 28 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | i'm a proud smartphone non-owner | Jun 28 00:46 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: same time as xclock! | Jun 28 00:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 28 00:47 |
| CrystalMath | but still | Jun 28 00:47 |
| CrystalMath | skeuomorphism is good | Jun 28 00:47 |
| MinceR | my window frames have 1px thick black borders | Jun 28 00:47 |
| CrystalMath | rough 3D edges | Jun 28 00:47 |
| MinceR | no it is not | Jun 28 00:47 |
| CrystalMath | mine are 2px but the title bar is more obviously 3D | Jun 28 00:47 |
| MinceR | my title bars are color transitions from top to bottom | Jun 28 00:47 |
| CrystalMath | mine have lighting and a shadow | Jun 28 00:48 |
| CrystalMath | why don't you like skeuomorphism? | Jun 28 00:48 |
| MinceR | it's cluttered and limiting | Jun 28 00:48 |
| MinceR | when used in moderation, it can be fine | Jun 28 00:48 |
| CrystalMath | i think the stupid flat display | Jun 28 00:49 |
| CrystalMath | is extremely confusing | Jun 28 00:49 |
| CrystalMath | i never know what's a button | Jun 28 00:49 |
| CrystalMath | i can't stand it | Jun 28 00:49 |
| MinceR | well, there are some ways it can be communicated | Jun 28 00:50 |
| CrystalMath | like a nice thick 3D border | Jun 28 00:50 |
| MinceR | but i like 1px thick 3D borders on widgets | Jun 28 00:50 |
| MinceR | as in ThinIce, or in Tk :) | Jun 28 00:50 |
| CrystalMath | with floating 3D UFOs around it shining it with spotlights | Jun 28 00:50 |
| CrystalMath | and the UFOs spin and stuff | Jun 28 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | that's totally not a waste of CPU :P | Jun 28 00:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 28 00:51 |
| CrystalMath | i'm used to aliens floating around my buttons | Jun 28 00:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/06/26/coronavirus-adults-under-40-must-help-slow-spread-fauci-urges/3265411001/ | Jun 28 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Coronavirus: Adults under 40 must help slow spread, Fauci urges | Jun 28 02:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Your oppressors ask that you act "more responsibly" to keep more of your oppressors around longer. Thank you. | Jun 28 02:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, it's a hoax and only Democrats wear masks, and Trump rallies with old people not wearing masks are very responsible. | Jun 28 02:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're supposed to very carefully go to the mall and spend your money, responsibly avoiding clouds of germs there, even though it's impossible to determine where exactly they'll be. | Jun 28 02:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eat in restaurants are open, but how to eat with a mask on and avoid the cloud of germs being recirculated by the air conditioning system is an exercise for the reader. | Jun 28 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The masks are required by law, but you can't make people wear them because they'll shoot you for asking, and the police won't enforce the law, for whatever reason. How odd. | Jun 28 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | While this ever-changing situation continues to spiral further and further from any definition of "control", please be aware that President Trump is working day and night on ways to tie Hillary Clinton's emails to Joe Biden. | Jun 28 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, exactly which breed of vicious dogs are vicious enough to release on the blacks. | Jun 28 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have to be vicious enough to teach them to respect the Confederate statues, yet not so vicious that the blacks will stop loving Trump. | Jun 28 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which they do. His family tree might have even had a few of them "in it" and his dad Fred wrote "C" so he'd remember to give them a fantastic apartment. | Jun 28 02:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jun/27/coronavirus-us-miami-close-beaches-cases-rise-more-than-30-states-trump-live-latest-news-updates | Jun 28 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Trump campaign reportedly ordered removal of social-distancing stickers in Tulsa – as it happened | World news | The Guardian | Jun 28 02:38 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Give me one good reason not to liken this to the Replicator attack on the Goa'uld. MinceR ? | Jun 28 02:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Major plot hole in Stargate. | Jun 28 02:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Why throw Ra through the Stargate when h used a ship to get to Earth in the first place? | Jun 28 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Presumably stabbing him to death and incinerating the body would prevent him from being revived. | Jun 28 02:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/06/25/youre-not-going-to-believe-the-latest-plan-to-save.aspx | Jun 28 02:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-You're Not Going to Believe the Latest Plan to Save J.C. Penney | The Motley Fool | Jun 28 02:52 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh yes. A failing department store will be bought out of bankruptcy by a mall company that isn't paying its mortgages. | Jun 28 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | :) | Jun 28 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We've also discovered a perpetual motion machine that works. | Jun 28 02:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like the bankruptcy hit. | Jun 28 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The car loan is gone from my report and says Chapter 7. | Jun 28 03:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, Scumbucket gets to deal with it now. | Jun 28 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: John's alias? | Jun 28 05:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah. I have his voicemails saved in a folder called Shitdick on my portable hard disk. | Jun 28 05:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: He let me play GTA V on his PS4, and when you are at a stop light and it turns green there's an NPC that gets mad and starts honking at you and he yells "SHIT DICK!". | Jun 28 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I can't talk to him yet because the no contact order lasts until the probation is up. | Jun 28 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I can I'm tempted to call and taunt him over that stupid car. | Jun 28 05:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I've never been so happy to have a rust bucket with almost 300,000 miles on it. | Jun 28 05:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least I don't owe money to the bank. | Jun 28 05:41 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3S5fwyR0rE | Jun 28 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Shitdick! - YouTube | Jun 28 05:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/what-to-know-if-coronavirus-has-you-considering-filing-for-bankruptcy.html | Jun 28 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbc.com | What to know if coronavirus has you considering filing for bankruptcy | Jun 28 06:10 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | I actually agree with their assessment. | Jun 28 06:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For most people, it makes sense to wait and see for a while. Your creditors are not going to be able to get you into court right away and filing near the end of your state governor's stay on evictions just means you end up living in your apartment for a few more months rent-free while the bankruptcy goes through the proccess. | Jun 28 06:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/business/corporate-bankruptcy-coronavirus.html | Jun 28 06:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nytimes.com | Coronavirus Bankruptcies Are Coming - The New York Times | Jun 28 06:14 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/06/28/reported-by-google-and-ncmec/ | Jun 28 07:28 |
| schestowitz | just done | Jun 28 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I might release the full report (about 30 pages) at the end, after SPD gives us all 2861 pages | Jun 28 07:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pedophile Working as the Engineer of Bill Gates Initially Reported by Google | Techrights | Jun 28 07:28 | |
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| schestowitz | hi, too late | Jun 28 07:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Is GNOME Web the default in Debian? | Jun 28 07:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Wikipedia says it is. Works fine on Fedora, but have to install it. | Jun 28 07:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I know they and Mozilla haven't always gotten along well | Jun 28 07:51 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/hh1b0l/microsoft_edge_accused_of_sneakily_importing/ | Jun 28 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Edge Accused of Sneakily Importing Firefox Data on Windows 10 : firefox | Jun 28 08:05 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows 10 snatches your Firefox profile and sends the info from it off to Microsoft. | Jun 28 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft are criminals | Jun 28 08:06 |
| schestowitz | so this kind of behaviour should be presumed | Jun 28 08:07 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe some people still trust Microsoft with WSL and WSL2 | Jun 28 08:07 |
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| xwindows | ping ... | Jun 28 11:06 |
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| xwindows | ping pong .. | Jun 28 11:10 |
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| psydroid | pang pang | Jun 28 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | lots of pinging\ | Jun 28 11:51 |
| schestowitz | human communication reduced from emojis to UDP | Jun 28 11:52 |
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| MinceR | (audio:important) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/668432.mp4 | Jun 28 12:26 |
| insmodppa | schestowitz: I might have missed this, but the soi-disant gatekeepers of everyone's Privacy officially approves of Startpage again: https://blog.privacytools.io/relisting-startpage/ | Jun 28 12:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.privacytools.io | Relisting Startpage.com | Jun 28 12:32 | |
| schestowitz | they're infiltrated | Jun 28 12:35 |
| schestowitz | we covered that | Jun 28 12:35 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage\ | Jun 28 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage\ - Techrights | Jun 28 12:36 | |
| insmodppa | Thanks. Haven't been paying attention. | Jun 28 12:36 |
| schestowitz | we're among the main sites that exposed all this! | Jun 28 12:36 |
| schestowitz | based on anon sources | Jun 28 12:36 |
| schestowitz | typo, near ENTER | Jun 28 12:38 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Startpage | Jun 28 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Startpage - Techrights | Jun 28 12:38 | |
| schestowitz | the trailing slash is a fat finger mistype | Jun 28 12:38 |
| schestowitz | you can see how we're the one who started the exposition | Jun 28 12:38 |
| schestowitz | and what they had done | Jun 28 12:39 |
| schestowitz | based on reliable sources | Jun 28 12:39 |
| MinceR | (audio:important) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/668347.webm | Jun 28 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: wth? | Jun 28 14:44 |
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| AVRS | Firefox' privacy.resistFingerprinting pref changes Linux to Windows in user agent. | Jun 28 15:39 |
| CrystalMath | heh | Jun 28 15:44 |
| CrystalMath | yeah | Jun 28 15:44 |
| CrystalMath | :P | Jun 28 15:44 |
| CrystalMath | you can override it though | Jun 28 15:44 |
| CrystalMath | but, hiding that you run linux, is a way to resist fingerprinting | Jun 28 15:45 |
| CrystalMath | in a world of dummies, you can blend in by wearing a dunce cap[ | Jun 28 15:45 |
| CrystalMath | *cap | Jun 28 15:45 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: documentary of the flesh-eating dumpster | Jun 28 16:43 |
| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/668560.jpg | Jun 28 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: doesn't sound too good | Jun 28 17:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Looks like Floriduh will catch up with New York soon enough at this rate. | Jun 28 18:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | +10,632 today | Jun 28 18:30 |
| schestowitz | it's early still | Jun 28 18:34 |
| schestowitz | wow | Jun 28 18:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrideOfLinux/status/1277289435781095425 | Jun 28 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrideOfLinux: Grass roots open source: Three Steps to a Free Software Reboot | Techrights https://t.co/2pJtrbXWws | Jun 28 18:35 | |
| schestowitz | oops | Jun 28 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Three Steps to a Free Software Reboot | Techrights | Jun 28 18:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ | Jun 28 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldometers.info | United States Coronavirus: 2,617,847 Cases and 128,243 Deaths - Worldometer | Jun 28 18:35 | |
| schestowitz | +10,682 | Jun 28 18:35 |
| schestowitz | maybe today will be record-setting again | Jun 28 18:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Probably. | Jun 28 18:40 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Something changed along the way and GNOME Web is running fantastically on my laptop. | Jun 28 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Time for a switch over to this full time, maybe. | Jun 28 18:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It syncs with Fennec F-Droid through the Firefox Sync thingy. | Jun 28 18:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Google silently shoves in tracking garbage into most Play store apps. | Jun 28 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They send back "telemetry" to Google. | Jun 28 18:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So obviously Mozilla has absolutely no idea what's in their own browser on Android. | Jun 28 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: FL changed to +8,530 | Jun 28 19:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "There have been some improvements." -David | Jun 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No, that was Walter, to David. | Jun 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Derp. | Jun 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, apparently the improvements weren't good enough. David kills Walter and then alters his program to adopt Walter's mannerisms and accent long enough to trick the crew. | Jun 28 19:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, so that's become what I say sarcastically when something comes along and says it's better and it's not. | Jun 28 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I say that in comments when there's another article about Windows 10 breaking things and ruining computers. | Jun 28 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "There have been some improvements." | Jun 28 19:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'm not really certain what to make of rpm-ostree/Fedora Silverblue. | Jun 28 19:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're saying it could replace the standard workstation image. | Jun 28 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I would say that installing it now would probably be jumping the gun. | Jun 28 19:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I was explaining Wayland to John, and he knows that I'm a big fan of Alien. | Jun 28 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He goes "Wayland Yutani?". | Jun 28 19:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Weyland-Yutani_Corporation | Jun 28 19:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-avp.fandom.com | Weyland-Yutani Corporation | Xenopedia | Fandom | Jun 28 19:29 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Jun 28 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I must say, that GNOME Web is turning into one of the better GNOME applications. | Jun 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Semi-final draw | Jun 28 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have yet to experience a significant problem with the 3.36 branch of it. | Jun 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Arsenal vs. Newcastle/Manchester City | Jun 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Semi-final draw | Jun 28 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Manchester United vs. Chelsea | Jun 28 19:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some news sites have paywalls and there's no extension to kill it, but meh. | Jun 28 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sites that paywall themselves are putting themselves in the guillotine to try to get a few bucks on the way out. | Jun 28 19:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | News sites with paywalls are largely trying to spend Disney Bucks at Caesar's Palace, as Rick Sanchez might say. | Jun 28 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's a million other sources for the same story, usually. | Jun 28 19:34 |
| schestowitz | they exist? | Jun 28 19:34 |
| schestowitz | I mostly skip such sites | Jun 28 19:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | WebkitGTK generally has the rendering capabilities of a recent build of Safari, only it's entirely FOSS and supports open media codecs. | Jun 28 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So site compatibility....is actually not much of a problem. | Jun 28 19:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There are sites that break in Firefox right now that work fine in GNOME Web. | Jun 28 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I believe that, oddly, Apple might be the reason why Widevine isn't spreading to more sites than it already has. | Jun 28 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Including Youtube. | Jun 28 19:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're the only major holdout that says no to Widevine, and it's only because Google is a major competitor and Apple has their own DRM scheme. | Jun 28 19:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The DoJ is pulling out the Sherman Act to go after Google. | Jun 28 19:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's probably because they're on Trump's shitlist for some reason and he's using the DoJ and whatever law they can grab to act as his personal enforcers. | Jun 28 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The big tech companies are furious that he cut off their H1 visas. | Jun 28 19:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I lol'd. | Jun 28 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've been saying for years now that the US government has done absolutely nothing to make these companies pay their damned taxes and sponsor American students for these jobs. | Jun 28 19:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Forcing us to work at fucking McDonald's while they bring in replacements who will work cheaply. | Jun 28 19:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Laissez-faire Capitalism is stoking "racism". | Jun 28 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because people who are downtrodden and working at McDonalds with student loans to pay back are fuming when they see foreigners come in so that goddamned Apple can send them to our colleges for free and then sponsor them. | Jun 28 19:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You don't see that shit happening in any country that is worries about its own citizens. | Jun 28 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | No matter how liberal/sjw they sound on the surface. | Jun 28 19:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was this "Let's put illegal immigrants everywhere." mentality of the neoliberal politicians that sparked this whole white nationalist wave that swept through the US and most of Western Europe. | Jun 28 19:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's on the way out though. He really is. He didn't even really pretend to care about any of this until it was the 11th hour and the economy was in the shitter, because of the virus. | Jun 28 19:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He was on his golf course fucking yesterday for Christ's sake, grinning like an idiot. | Jun 28 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Optics much? | Jun 28 19:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Anyway.....whatever the virus does to his fan club, they fucking deserve it for being the way they are. | Jun 28 19:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It was so obvious that Trump was an idiot and a crook and a fool before we even had an election. | Jun 28 19:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's really some "Someone put the court jester on the throne." type shit happening now. | Jun 28 19:49 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | People have said Caligula, but this is more like Cartagia from B5. | Jun 28 19:52 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://news.softpedia.com/news/secure-linux-distro-hacked-by-facebook-and-the-fbi-to-track-down-child-predator-530229.shtml | Jun 28 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Security-Focused Linux OS Hacked by Facebook and the FBI to Track Down Criminal | Jun 28 21:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook helping nation states attack Tor with zero day vulnerabilities. | Jun 28 21:50 |
| MinceR | makes sense | Jun 28 21:51 |
| MinceR | fecesbook has always been an enemy of privacy | Jun 28 21:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's not an attack on Tor itself. | Jun 28 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It says "vulnerability in the video player in Tails". | Jun 28 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which video player is in Tails? | Jun 28 21:53 |
| MinceR | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Jun 28 21:53 |
| MinceR | i don't know why people use a "security-focused" "linux os" if it's based on cancerd | Jun 28 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I heard of a buffer overflow zero day in VLC. | Jun 28 21:53 |
| MinceR | they could just use heads instead | Jun 28 21:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe that's what it is. | Jun 28 21:53 |
| CrystalMath | ugh VLC | Jun 28 21:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would be kind of dumb to make VLC the video player in a security-focused distribution. | Jun 28 21:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/vlc-media-player-3011-fixes-severe-remote-code-execution-flaw/ | Jun 28 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bleepingcomputer.com | VLC Media Player 3.0.11 fixes severe remote code execution flaw | Jun 28 21:59 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | <MinceR "i don't know why people use a "s"> Maybe they like their very secure systemd, where a memory leak leading to systemd swelling to 4.5 GB after 3 weeks made its way into RHEL 7. | Jun 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who would be dumb enough to open a video they downloaded from Tor? | Jun 28 22:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Knowing what kind of vulnerabilities have been found in, well, most implementations of most media containers and codecs. | Jun 28 22:06 |
| AVRS | Who would be dumb enough to view a page at an unfamiliar site? Knowing what … browsers. | Jun 28 22:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 28 22:06 |
| AVRS | … check anything with antivirus software, looking at how ClamAV seems to get the most fixes. | Jun 28 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | ClamAV kind of sucks at what it does. | Jun 28 22:07 |
| AVRS | (actually, IIRC ClamAV's documentation, at least in Debian, says it's worthless without Windows) | Jun 28 22:07 |
| MinceR | probably less so than the competition | Jun 28 22:07 |
| MinceR | considering that most of the AV industry is a scam | Jun 28 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, the intended use is file servers who need to scan Windows binaries. | Jun 28 22:07 |
| AVRS | I have often seen that advice under news reports about sec. vulnerabilities: do not visit websites you do not trust. | Jun 28 22:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So everything on the web, then. | Jun 28 22:22 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Ubuntu has discovered the revolutionary Fedora Rawhide model, apparently. | Jun 28 23:31 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Oracle’s New Papers About Servers With GNU/Linux http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139259 [https://pleroma.site/objects/30790074-0e28-402b-a00c-20e393b30042] | Jun 28 23:33 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yeah, and called it after an odd animal | Jun 28 23:34 |
| schestowitz | [21:50] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- news.softpedia.com | Security-Focused Linux OS Hacked by Facebook and the FBI to Track Down Criminal | Jun 28 23:34 |
| schestowitz | MicrosoftPedia | Jun 28 23:35 |
| schestowitz | don't link to them anymore | Jun 28 23:35 |
| schestowitz | They are anti-Linux | Jun 28 23:35 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/05/12/softpedia-change/ | Jun 28 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ‘Team Microsoft’ Took Control of Softpedia to Control Coverage About GNU/Linux | Techrights | Jun 28 23:35 | |
| schestowitz | Looking for anti-Linux slant, only one person writes it now | Jun 28 23:35 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] <DaemonFC[m]> It would be kind of dumb to make VLC the video player in a security-focused distribution. | Jun 28 23:36 |
| schestowitz | depends if you play very dodgy files | Jun 28 23:36 |
| schestowitz | or stream them | Jun 28 23:36 |
| psydread | these are all symptoms of a company fighting for its very survival at any cost because it has lost it | Jun 28 23:36 |
| schestowitz | if you play your own files, you should be safe, no buffer overflows and such | Jun 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz | codecs are complex monsters and if you don't handle them with care, they can do all sorts of things, even in userspace | Jun 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <DaemonFC[m]> Who would be dumb enough to open a video they downloaded from Tor? | Jun 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Jun 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <MinceR> considering that most of the AV industry is a scam | Jun 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz | it's not even an industry | Jun 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz | psydread: SUSE did that too | Jun 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | first tumbleweed | Jun 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | then leap | Jun 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | and then merging SLE* upstream with them | Jun 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | as if to say they lack the resources to run that separately | Jun 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | now it's Fedora under IBM | Jun 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | because their "community" is mostly up in smoke, people would not volunteers for Big Bad Blue | Jun 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | at least not those old enough to know what IBM really is/was | Jun 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | see Planet Fedora, it's barely moving, it's just IBM (Red Hat) staff | Jun 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | trying to solicit free testers to take their broken builds for a spin | Jun 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | and then garden bugs for them | Jun 28 23:39 |
| psydread | schestowitz, I also found it curious that the central theme in Apple's transition plan isn't so much that people will end up using better chips (and likely lose more control over their hardware), but that they will lose access to x86 Windows | Jun 28 23:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Microsoft uses these people like ‘props’ and rewards them for the ‘service’ (we covered examples of the bribes over the years)." | Jun 28 23:41 |
| psydread | which makes me think that any large-scale move away from x86 will be brutal to Microsoft | Jun 28 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Reminds me of that T-888 that was impersonating a military officer. | Jun 28 23:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Thank you for your service!" *snaps their necks* | Jun 28 23:42 |
| psydread | so the sooner it can be initiated the better | Jun 28 23:42 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux in Devices/Embedded: Bootlin, Texas Instruments and Garmin http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139260 [https://pleroma.site/objects/3e347305-390e-4629-b7ed-d148f08d8905] | Jun 28 23:43 | |
| psydread | I think we were fooled by this idea of "communities" for a long time, but now that we know we can form new independent communities | Jun 28 23:44 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Linux 5.8-rc3 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/139261 [https://pleroma.site/objects/4d52d5ba-1b21-42b1-84ae-12b327cc5a7c] | Jun 28 23:50 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | RE: Sisvel..... | Jun 28 23:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think they sued Microsoft over infringing some MP3 patents with Windows. | Jun 28 23:54 |
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