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[00:01]	matey	better than devuan, would be a distro:
[00:02]	matey	1. that actually does what it set out to do originally
[00:02]	matey	2. made by people that know what theyre doing
[00:02]	matey	one of those would be great. both would be even better. devuan imo is neither
[00:03]	MinceR	i suspect Damn Vulnerable Linux does fulfill at least the 1st
[00:05]	matey	not as well as have a bloated piece of shit kernel linux (habposkl) but it counts as truth in advertising
[00:07]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> at least the people maintaining devuan use devuan
[00:07]	DaemonFC	Was that in reference to the people developing Fedora-KDE using it under emulation in Windows? :P
[00:07]	DaemonFC	No wonder that spin has so many problems.
[00:07]	DaemonFC	You probably don't run into ACPI crap as much when it's a Windows Guest and not running on an actual computer.
[00:08]	matey	as for my assessment of linux
[00:08]	matey	the way i see it im either being fair now, or fair soon enough
[00:08]	MinceR	yes, and also to people pretending to be proponents of "Linux" while using crApple and MICROS~1 products in its place
[00:09]	matey	i mean zemlin was always a tool 
[00:09]	matey	and i think in hindsight, so was linus
[00:09]	matey	linus at least could code
[00:09]	matey	but zemlin has blue hair
[00:16]	psydruid	https://www.infoq.com/presentations/Null-References-The-Billion-Dollar-Mistake-Tony-Hoare/
[00:16]	TR Bot	 Null References: The Billion Dollar Mistake
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[00:38]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/28-of-msn-news-readers-think-chinas-lease-on-hong-kong-expired-in-1997/
[00:38]	TR Bot	 28% of MSN News readers think Chinas lease on Hong Kong expired in 1997. BaronHK's Rants
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[01:08]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vlwuun/accidentally_getting_it/
[01:08]	TR Bot	 Accidentally getting it : LateStageCapitalism
[01:08]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, ^
[01:11]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vm26r8/if_you_donate_they_will_think_about_the_thought/
[01:11]	TR Bot	 If you donate they will think about the thought of fixing it. : LateStageCapitalism
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[01:55]	DaemonFC	I may switch to Mullvad.
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[03:41]	TR News	"There are large numbers of unacceptable "solution"s in the ecological space. Suppose the only solution to an eco-catastrophe were a mass die-off, with the remnant of humanity consisting of peasants and lords who hunt peasant for sport a la Game of Thrones." gemini://the-brannons.com/whysave/
[03:42]	TR News	[cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D626.jpg
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[03:46]	TR News	My Body, My Data Act Tackles Online Privacy in Wake of Roe v. Wade Decision https://www.itprotoday.com/data-privacy/my-body-my-data-act-tackles-online-privacy-wake-roe-v-wade-decision
[03:46]	TR Bot	 My Body, My Data Act Tackles Online Privacy in Post-Roe World | ITPro Today: IT News, How-Tos, Trends, Case Studies, Career Tips, More
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[03:47]	TR News	xkcd: Extended NFPA Hazard Diamond https://xkcd.com/2638/ Source: xkcd
[03:47]	TR Bot	Extended NFPA Hazard Diamond
[03:48]	TR News	28% of MSN News readers think Chinas lease on Hong Kong expired in 1997. https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/28-of-msn-news-readers-think-chinas-lease-on-hong-kong-expired-in-1997/
[03:48]	TR Bot	 28% of MSN News readers think Chinas lease on Hong Kong expired in 1997. BaronHK's Rants
[03:49]	TR News	EndeavourOS 22.6 Run Through - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=L9pOvCzqO-E Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[03:49]	TR Bot	 EndeavourOS 22.6 Run Through - Invidious
[03:50]	TR News	"he more software you install the more files that start to clutter your home directory but luckily there are ways to fix this, the xdg directories but finding out what apps support these paths can be a little bit annoying so xdg ninja simplifies the process" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Tp4fkmJ6qXk
[03:50]	TR Bot	 Clean Up Your Home Directory Clutter With XDG Ninja - Invidious
[03:51]	TR News	"Today's video is a bit of a rant, and I know it's going to make me look like a total "boomer" but I have to say it. Modern music sucks! And the reason why it sucks is because computers and technology have completely destroyed the music industry..." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=c0xd0SA2OqQ
[03:51]	TR Bot	 Modern Music SUCKS! (Technology Is To Blame) - Invidious
[03:52]	TR News	"Will buys a cheap mouse, Flim thinks hes a meteorologist, Graham hacks his TV, and Joe complains about YouTube." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-183/
[03:52]	TR Bot	 Late Night Linux Episode 183 Late Night Linux
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[04:03]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows: Late Night Linux, DistroTube, Brodie Robertson, EndeavourOS 22.6 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166559
[04:03]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows: Late Night Linux, DistroTube, Brodie Robertson, EndeavourOS 22.6 | Tux Machines
[04:03]	TR News	Pitivi Video Editor Adds Beat Detection, Object Tracking + More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166560
[04:03]	TR Bot	 Pitivi Video Editor Adds Beat Detection, Object Tracking + More | Tux Machines
[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights Bulletin for Monday, June 27, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Bulletin Archives
[04:06]	TR News	#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Techrights Full IPFS Index
[04:06]	TR News	Git 2.37.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166561
[04:06]	TR Bot	 Git 2.37.0 | Tux Machines
[04:07]	TR News	Russ Allbery: Tie::ShadowHash 2.00 https://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/journal/2022-06/001.html
[04:07]	TR Bot	 Eagle's Path: Tie::ShadowHash 2.00 (2022-06-27)
[04:19]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166562
[04:19]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[04:21]	TR News	"The doctor at the Lake County Health Department told me to stop eating salt and that she wouldnt prescribe any medications." https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/lake-county-il-health-department-doctors-should-probably-be-avoided-in-my-experience/
[04:21]	TR Bot	 Lake County, IL Health Department doctors should probably be avoided, in my experience. BaronHK's Rants
[04:25]	TR News	Yes, if one installs malware, bad things will happen https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/06/27/python-packages-malicious-code-aws-credentials-video/
[04:25]	TR Bot	 Python packages with malicious code expose secret AWS credentials - Help Net Security
[04:25]	TR News	Qubes OS 4.1.1-rc1 has been released! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166563
[04:25]	TR Bot	 Qubes OS 4.1.1-rc1 has been released! | Tux Machines
[04:27]	TR News	NordVPN becoming more annoying and scammy. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/27/nordvpn-becoming-more-annoying-and-scammy/ Source: baronhk
[04:27]	TR Bot	 NordVPN becoming more annoying and scammy. BaronHK's Rants
[04:28]	TR News	"Odyssey team is pleased to announce the release of Odyssey 1.3, a scalable multi-threaded connection pooler for PostgreSQL\GreenplumDB designed for the cloud." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/odyssey-13-released-2476/
[04:28]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: Odyssey 1.3 released
[04:28]	TR News	"IVM Development Group is pleased to announce the release of pg_ivm 1.1." https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/pg_ivm-11-released-2478/
[04:28]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: pg_ivm 1.1 released
[04:29]	TR News	PostgreSQL: Timescale's 2022 State of PostgreSQL Survey Is Now Open! https://www.postgresql.org/about/news/timescales-2022-state-of-postgresql-survey-is-now-open-2471/ Source: postgresql
[04:29]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: Timescale's 2022 State of PostgreSQL Survey Is Now Open!
[04:31]	TR News	"According to Istios support policy, minor releases like 1.12 are supported until six weeks after the N+2 minor release (1.14 in this case). Istio 1.14 was released on June 1st, and support for 1.12 will end on July 12th, 2022." https://istio.io/latest/news/support/announcing-1.12-eol/
[04:31]	TR Bot	 Istio / Support for Istio 1.12 ends on July 12th, 2022
[04:31]	TR News	[PATCH 00/12] Adding Gaudi2 ASIC support to habanalabs driver - Oded Gabbay https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220627202620.961350-1-ogabbay@kernel.org/ Source: kernel
[04:31]	TR Bot	 [PATCH 00/12] Adding Gaudi2 ASIC support to habanalabs driver - Oded Gabbay
[04:32]	TR News	PostgreSQL: Odyssey 1.3, pg_ivm 1.1, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166564
[04:32]	TR Bot	 PostgreSQL: Odyssey 1.3, pg_ivm 1.1, and More | Tux Machines
[04:33]	TR News	"Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 741 for the week of June 19 25, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/06/27/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-741/
[04:33]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 741
[04:33]	TR News	The software operator design pattern: disadvantages - part 5 | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-software-operator-design-pattern-part-5 Source: ubuntu
[04:33]	TR Bot	software operator design pattern: disadvantages part 5 | Ubuntu
[04:38]	TR News	COVID-19 Patients in English Hospitals, June 2022 (More Than Doubled in Under 4 Weeks) https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/28/english-hospitals-june-2022/
[04:38]	TR Bot	Blog Archive COVID-19 Patients in English Hospitals, June 2022 (More Than Doubled in Under 4 Weeks)
[04:43]	TR News	Photo Manager DigiKam Gets a Big Update http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166544#comment-34158
[04:43]	TR Bot	 digiKam 7.7.0 is released | Tux Machines
[04:45]	TR News	terminology
[04:47]	TR News	Words to go: Learn basic Linux terminology Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166565
[04:47]	TR Bot	 Words to go: Learn basic Linux terminology | Tux Machines
[04:47]	TR News	#HowTo Run Windows Software on Linux With Bottles Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166566
[04:47]	TR Bot	 How to Run Windows Software on Linux With Bottles | Tux Machines
[04:55]	TR News	Programming leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166567
[04:55]	TR Bot	 Programming leftovers | Tux Machines
[04:55]	TR News	Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166568
[04:55]	TR Bot	 today's leftovers | Tux Machines
[04:55]	TR News	Links 28/06/2022: Git 2.37.0 and GCC Rust Front-end | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/27/git-2-37-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/27/git-2-37-0/
[04:56]	TR Bot	 Links 28/06/2022: Git 2.37.0 and GCC Rust Front-end | Techrights
[04:58]	DaemonFC	The landlord just listed my apartment number as "available immediately" on apartments.com
[04:58]	DaemonFC	This had got to be a mistake. Our lease isn't even up until November.
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[04:59]	Schestowitz-3	oh
[04:59]	DaemonFC	Maybe he just put down the wrong number?
[04:59]	Schestowitz-3	maybe not
[04:59]	Schestowitz-3	call
[04:59]	Schestowitz-3	brb
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[05:00]	DaemonFC	Now I'm nervous.
[05:00]	DaemonFC	Why would he do that? I've never been late on the rent. The cops have never been out here.
[05:03]	Schestowitz-3	call
[05:07]	TR News	Making the update more bullet-proof https://bkhome.org/news/202206/making-the-update-more-bullet-proof.html
[05:07]	TR Bot	 Making the update more bullet-proof
[05:08]	Schestowitz-3	could be an ambush
[05:08]	Schestowitz-3	not wanting you to get angry and break the place
[05:08]	Schestowitz-3	and then locks you out
[05:08]	Schestowitz-3	to change tenant
[05:08]	Schestowitz-3	with it comes to such listing, you don't do it in a rush
[05:08]	Schestowitz-3	it involves payyment
[05:09]	TR News	How to Challenge Big Tech with Privacy-First Alternatives https://puri.sm/posts/how-to-challenge-big-tech-with-privacy-first-alternatives/ Source: puri
[05:09]	TR Bot	 How to Challenge Big Tech with Privacy-First Alternatives Purism
[05:10]	TR News	SUSE and outsourcing to Bezos (instead of controlling your infra) https://www.suse.com/c/suse-rancher-can-manage-aws-ec2-spot-instance-based-managed-node-groups-with-ec2-auto-scaling/
[05:10]	TR Bot	Rancher can manage AWS EC2 Spot Instance based Managed Node Groups with EC2 Auto Scaling | SUSE Communities
[05:14]	TR News	"In this episode we discuss feedback on Pop!_OS, installing Linux to replace Windows, and a tutorial on the top command." https://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp426
[05:14]	TR Bot	 Going Linux Shownotes
[05:19]	DaemonFC	<Schestowitz-3> and then locks you out
[05:19]	DaemonFC	Our lease isn't up until November 1st.
[05:20]	Schestowitz-3	paid in advance?
[05:20]	DaemonFC	No, of course not.
[05:20]	DaemonFC	But it's illegal to throw a tenant out who is in the middle of a lease and is not behind on the rent.
[05:21]	DaemonFC	So how in the hell would it be "available now"?
[05:21]	DaemonFC	It says "updated 3 days ago" and it's listed on multiple sites, but it's not pictures of our unit.
[05:22]	DaemonFC	For starters, it's the wrong air conditioner and then it's also a different oven.
[05:22]	Schestowitz-3	either mitake or easrly termination
[05:22]	Schestowitz-3	the lease has some other conditions
[05:22]	Schestowitz-3	like if you do something
[05:22]	Schestowitz-3	11 years ago my next door neighbour was kicked out
[05:22]	DaemonFC	He'd have to evict us.
[05:22]	Schestowitz-3	after he had assaulted someone
[05:22]	DaemonFC	We haven't been notified of anything.
[05:22]	Schestowitz-3	and the police got involved
[05:23]	Schestowitz-3	if you were notified you might wreck the place and seek revenge
[05:23]	Schestowitz-3	or it could all be a  mistake
[05:23]	Schestowitz-3	it must be 11:20 therer
[05:23]	Schestowitz-3	maybe too late to phone already
[05:24]	TR News	"digiKam is a photo manager app that lets you organize the images you have. With the latest upgrade, it supports JPEG-XL format, and AVID/AOM." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166544#comment-34160
[05:24]	TR Bot	 digiKam 7.7.0 is released | Tux Machines
[05:24]	DaemonFC	Yeah. If he's not pissed off at me, I don't want to call or text in the middle of the night.
[05:25]	DaemonFC	I just don't know why you'd throw out tenants that are paying you and haven't done anything wrong.
[05:25]	DaemonFC	Especialy with the kinds of people he rents to in here.
[05:25]	Schestowitz-3	the lase is two-edged
[05:25]	Schestowitz-3	so he cannot evict before November unless he can prove you broke your side of the agreeement
[05:26]	DaemonFC	Yeah, but he listed it 3 days ago and said "Available Now".
[05:26]	Schestowitz-3	to ruins your sleep
[05:26]	Schestowitz-3	*ruin
[05:26]	DaemonFC	It probably will.
[05:26]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166569
[05:26]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[05:27]	Schestowitz-3	save the web page
[05:27]	Schestowitz-3	in ase it goes to court
[05:27]	Schestowitz-3	and he pretends it was a mistake
[05:27]	DaemonFC	Do you know how hard it was to find this place, Roy? We'll have to throw everything we own in the dumpster and move into that hotel in Gurnee by the week.
[05:27]	Schestowitz-3	put the page in archive.is too
[05:28]	TR News	COVID-19 in England. You have to be foolish to not wear a mask, keep a distance, and attend mass gatherings https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/06/28/english-hospitals-june-2022/
[05:28]	TR Bot	Blog Archive COVID-19 Patients in English Hospitals, June 2022 (More Than Doubled in Under 4 Weeks)
[05:28]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: no, phone and challenge it
[05:28]	Schestowitz-3	he might even pretend it was a mistake
[05:29]	Schestowitz-3	don't be confrontational
[05:30]	Schestowitz-3	you dont't want a landlord who hates you or whom you took to court and won against
[05:30]	Schestowitz-3	I'm heading off in a bit
[05:30]	Schestowitz-3	it's 5:30am here
[05:30]	Schestowitz-3	rss feeall cleaned up
[05:32]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I'm just going to text him tomorrow morning.
[05:32]	Schestowitz-3	no
[05:32]	Schestowitz-3	not text
[05:32]	Schestowitz-3	phone
[05:32]	DaemonFC	I have no idea why this wouldn't be a mistake.
[05:34]	DaemonFC	He always replies to my texts.
[05:34]	DaemonFC	He didn't seem to be angry last month when I texted him to say I had an outstanding check and I was just making sure he got it.
[05:35]	DaemonFC	Why would I get angry and tear the place up?
[05:35]	DaemonFC	That's a crime and I'd be arrested. That would be so much worse than having to move us and the cats into a hotel over by the mall for a while.
[05:36]	DaemonFC	I need one more problem with the courts like I need a hole in the head.
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[05:37]	DaemonFC	If nothing else, we could probably fall back to Indiana and rent my grandmother's house off my cousin for a while.
[05:48]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/2022/06/28/1108107718/instagram-and-facebook-begin-removing-posts-offering-abortion-pills
[05:48]	TR Bot	 Instagram and Facebook remove posts offering abortion pills : NPR
[05:51]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/28/facebook-censors-posts-about-how-to-get-abortion-pills-allows-posts-about-illegally-transferring-guns-and-marijuana/
[05:51]	TR Bot	 Facebook censors posts about how to get abortion pills. Allows posts about illegally transferring guns and marijuana. BaronHK's Rants
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[06:42]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: so likely  amistake then
[06:42]	Schestowitz-3	based on what you've just told me
[06:42]	Schestowitz-3	many tenants are unable to pay rent these days
[06:42]	Schestowitz-3	if you always pay on time, he is lucky
[06:43]	DaemonFC	Yeah, he's listing available units here at $925. Tat's $50 more than we pay.
[06:43]	DaemonFC	Last year, he upped the listing price $50, but only increased ours $25.
[06:43]	TR News	THE MAN WHO COULD WORK MIRACLES added to library. gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/library/Wells/Miracles.gmi
[06:43]	DaemonFC	We've never been late. I always have the check for next month in the mail by the 9th of the previous month.
[06:44]	TR News	Coverage testing with CMake and GCov gemini://gemini.clehaxze.tw/gemlog/2022/06-28-coverage-testing-with-cmake-and-gcov.gmi
[06:44]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, Hopefully I can just call him tomorrow and explain that I was looking at apartment websites because my mother has recently retired and has me scouting out the area, noticed he listed our apartment by unit number, and was just calling to see what that was all about.
[06:45]	Schestowitz-3	yeah
[06:45]	DaemonFC	There's no reason to make it nasty.
[06:46]	Schestowitz-3	start the call with something positive
[06:46]	Schestowitz-3	like, we had this thing fixed
[06:46]	Schestowitz-3	or x has just had a birthday
[06:47]	Schestowitz-3	mom had a birthday, she is looking for a place to semi-retire in
[06:47]	Schestowitz-3	"do you know someone in area y who has a unit?"
[06:48]	Schestowitz-3	"oh, by the way, I was looking to help mom"
[06:48]	Schestowitz-3	"and then I saw this obvious mistake..."
[06:48]	DaemonFC	Yeah, she was asking me to look and see if he had any two bedrooms open and when I looked around, I saw that our unit was listed.
[06:48]	Schestowitz-3	"I think you put the wrong number in"
[06:48]	DaemonFC	I think you accidentally put our number in on the listing.
[06:49]	Schestowitz-3	when i was 19 I walked (long journey by foot) to pay my landlady
[06:50]	Schestowitz-3	not sure it that was cheque or cash, probably cash
[06:50]	Schestowitz-3	a one-time thing
[06:51]	Schestowitz-3	they kept their old slum to rent out to people like us, students. I think it was their former home.
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[07:04]	Schestowitz-3	https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/fernandinho-documentary-trailer-63791935
[07:04]	TR Bot	 Coming soon Fernandinho: The last game
[07:19]	TR News	Twenty Years of Flying Meat https://shapeof.com/archives/2022/6/twenty_years_of_flying_meat.html schestowitz.com also turns 20 this years
[07:19]	TR Bot	 Twenty Years of Flying Meat
[07:20]	TR News	Custom colour palettes for {ggplot2} | R-bloggers https://www.r-bloggers.com/2022/06/custom-colour-palettes-for-ggplot2/ Source: r-ers
[07:20]	TR Bot	colour palettes for {ggplot2} | R-bloggers
[07:21]	TR News	0025: preimp, focus + mach, emergent ventures, clockwork labs, success, hytradboi ideas, zig debugging tips, dev-setup.sh, clojurescript blues, analogies for end-user programming, half-arsed workflows, javascript vs serialization, links https://www.scattered-thoughts.net/log/0025/ Source: scattered-thoughts
[07:21]	TR Bot	 0025: preimp, focus + mach, emergent ventures, clockwork labs, success, hytradboi ideas, zig debugging tips, dev-setup.sh, clojurescript blues, analogies for end-user programming, half-arsed workflows, javascript vs serialization, links
[07:24]	TR News	"partially visually hidden link names may work great for people who use screen readers, but this approach can be problematic for people who rely on voice control software." https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2022/06/voice-control-usability-considerations-partially-visually-hidden-link-names/
[07:24]	TR Bot	 Voice Control Usability Considerations For Partially Visually Hidden Link Names Smashing Magazine
[07:24]	TR News	"Carl Pei's buzzy phone firm, which he says will be a top alternative to Apple's iPhone, will skip North America for its phone release on July 12, the company confirmed to PCMag." https://www.pcmag.com/news/nothing-confirms-phone-1-will-not-be-coming-to-us
[07:24]	TR Bot	Confirms Phone (1) Will Not Be Coming to US | PCMag
[07:25]	TR News	"The risk of doing nothing is great. The law cannot be indifferent to the impact of its restraint." https://www.channelnewsasia.com/commentary/trump-won-election-us-president-capitol-riot-hearings-2765446
[07:25]	TR Bot	 Commentary: The time to decide whether to put Donald Trump on trial is drawing near - CNA
[07:27]	TR News	Alan Joyces $5000 "gift" really a $5,000 grift. Whats the scam Qantas? - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/alan-joyces-5000-gift-really-a-5000-grift-whats-the-scam-qantas/ Source: michaelwest
[07:27]	TR Bot	 Alan Joyce's $5000 "gift" really a $5,000 grift. What's the scam Qantas? - Michael West
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[08:22]	TR Bot	 IRC Proceedings: Monday, June 27, 2022 | Techrights
[08:27]	TR News	Are COVID-19-Linked Arrhythmias Caused by Viral Damage to the Hearts Pacemaker Cells? | Newsroom | Weill Cornell Medicine https://news.weill.cornell.edu/news/2022/04/are-covid-19-linked-arrhythmias-caused-by-viral-damage-to-the-hearts-pacemaker-cells Source: news
[08:27]	TR Bot	 Are COVID-19-Linked Arrhythmias Caused by Viral Damage to the Hearts Pacemaker Cells? | Newsroom | Weill Cornell Medicine
[08:43]	TR News	"they become more about fundraising and less about doing anything (except just enough to justify taking money)" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-270622.html#tJun%2027%2019:56:47
[08:43]	TR Bot	 IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, June 27, 2022
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[09:12]	TR News	Compulab https://linuxgizmos.com/compulabs-new-iot-gateway-is-based-on-nxps-i-mx-8m-processor-and-runs-on-linux-ms-azure-iot-and-node-red/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
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[09:13]	TR News	"The STEPFPGA MXO2Core is a compact platform based on the Lattice MX02-4000 FPGA." https://linuxgizmos.com/stepfpga-supports-verilog-on-cloud-based-ide-and-lattices-diamond-ide/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
[09:13]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/stepfpga-supports-verilog-on-cloud-based-ide-and-lattices-diamond-ide/ )
[09:13]	TR News	"Ubuntu 22.04 LTS introduces optimised kernel versions for different platforms" https://ubuntu.com//blog/whats-new-in-security-for-ubuntu-22-04-lts | Source: Ubuntu
[09:13]	TR Bot	new in Security for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS? | Ubuntu
[09:15]	TR News	"we will cover how to set static ip address on Ubuntu 22.04" https://www.linuxbuzz.com/set-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu/ | Source: Linux Buzz
[09:15]	TR Bot	 How to Set Static IP Address on Ubuntu 22.04
[09:15]	TR News	"Vanilla Forums is a modern, lightweight, and open-source multi-lingual forum software written in PHP." https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-vanilla-forums-with-openlitespeed-on-ubuntu-20-04/ | Source: RoseHosting
[09:15]	TR Bot	to Install Vanilla Forums with OpenLiteSpeed on Ubuntu 20.04 - RoseHosting
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[09:18]	TR Bot	 How to Challenge Big Tech with Privacy-First Alternatives Purism
[09:19]	TR News	"In this guide, we will see what is Docker, how to install Docker Engine in Ubuntu Linux." https://ostechnix.com/install-docker-ubuntu/ | Source: OSTechNix
[09:19]	TR Bot	Docker And Docker Compose In Ubuntu - OSTechNix
[09:23]	TR News	"Ghost is a very popular open-source content management system. Started as an alternative to WordPress" https://linuxhandbook.com/self-host-ghost-traefik/ | Source: Linux Handbook
[09:23]	TR Bot	 Self-host a Ghost Blog With Traefik
[09:23]	TR News	"In this post, we will demonstrate how to install HAProxy on Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) step by step." https://www.linuxtechi.com/install-configure-haproxy-on-ubuntu/ | Source: LinuxTechi
[09:23]	TR Bot	 How to Install and Configure HAProxy on Ubuntu 22.04
[09:25]	TR News	"An operating system that is highly focused on security is the best friend to any hacker." https://linuxtechlab.com/top-12-linux-hacking-and-pen-testing-in-2022/ | Source: LinuxTechLab
[09:25]	TR Bot	12 LINUX HACKING and PEN TESTING IN 2022 - LinuxTechLab
[09:25]	TR News	"Though lockdown was temporary, the trends that arose because of COVID-19 seem permanent." https://linuxtechlab.com/zero-trust-security-is-here-to-stay-for-decades/ | Source: LinuxTechLab
[09:25]	TR Bot	( status 520 @ https://linuxtechlab.com/zero-trust-security-is-here-to-stay-for-decades/ )
[09:26]	TR News	PHP Hardening https://www.tecmint.com/linux-php-hardening-security-tips/ | Source: TecMint
[09:26]	TR Bot	 Top PHP Hardening Security Tips for Linux Servers
[09:26]	TR News	"However, Netxcloud is not only good for photos and multimedia files" https://www.tecmint.com/work-with-documents-in-nextcloud/ | Source: TecMint
[09:26]	TR Bot	 A Detailed Guide on How to Work with Documents in Nextcloud
[09:27]	TR News	"Reassembly is a highly rated game that mixes spaceship building, exploration and intense combat." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/spaceship-building-game-reassembly-goes-64bit-gets-linux-and-steam-deck-upgrades/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:27]	TR Bot	building game Reassembly goes 64bit, gets Linux and Steam Deck upgrades | GamingOnLinux
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[09:29]	TR Bot	2D RPG 'Arcadian Atlas' has a new trailer, releasing in 2023 | GamingOnLinux
[09:29]	TR News	"It's going to release with Native GNU/Linux support on July 21st" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/low-poly-3d-rail-shooter-ex-zodiac-hits-early-access-on-july-21st/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:29]	TR Bot	3D rail shooter Ex-Zodiac hits Early Access on July 21st | GamingOnLinux
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[09:36]	TR News	"Recently, one modder decided to stick a bigger 2242 M.2 SSD into their Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/valve-designer-warns-people-not-to-put-2242-m2-drives-in-their-steam-deck/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:36]	TR Bot	designer warns people not to put 2242 M.2 drives in their Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux
[09:37]	TR News	"As we say goodbye to Q2 and hello to Q3, Valve has confirmed that production of Steam Deck units has increased to the point where they're going to be sending out a lot more." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/valve-to-ship-more-than-double-the-number-of-steam-decks-each-week/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:37]	TR Bot	to ship 'more than double' the number of Steam Decks each week | GamingOnLinux
[09:38]	TR News	"A little castle building and AI conquering on the go? Kingdoms and Castles already worked great on GNU/Linux" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/kingdoms-and-castles-gets-steam-deck-and-gamepad-support-vr-version-coming/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:38]	TR Bot	and Castles gets Steam Deck and gamepad support, VR version coming | GamingOnLinux
[09:42]	TR News	Linux su vs sudo: whats the difference? | https://opensource.com/article/22/6/linux-su-vs-sudo-sysadmin Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
[09:42]	TR Bot	su vs sudo: what's the difference? | Opensource.com
[09:47]	TR News	"CorsixTH is the absolute best way to play the classic Theme Hospital on any modern system and version 0.66" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/corsixth-the-modern-game-engine-for-theme-hospital-v066-is-out-now/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:47]	TR Bot	the modern game engine for Theme Hospital v0.66 is out now | GamingOnLinux
[09:47]	TR News	"Fancy catching some creatures? How about directly in your terminal window?" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/06/pokete-is-a-pokemon-like-game-for-your-terminal/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
[09:47]	TR Bot	is a Pokemon-like game for your terminal | GamingOnLinux
[09:49]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166570
[09:49]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
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[10:24]	mole	something is stinking again... surprisingly, with libtls
[10:25]	mole	my irc client can pin down certificates to be trusted and when connecting matches a server cert against the pinned one
[10:25]	mole	this is very simple, and reliable, "trust on first use" similar to gemini protocol
[10:26]	mole	however, with the recent update of libressl/libtls the certificate matching fails with _all_ irc services i connect to
[10:27]	mole	scratching my head, what could fail with matching a certificate fingerprint against a pinned certificate, and how is it possible an almost trivial libtls update breaks this?
[10:27]	mole	and why?
[10:28]	mole	in parallel, to various other issues reported yesterday (net-dns/bind, ircd-hybrid v7), seems some dark forces unveil their intellectual power "improving", again, SSL/TLS
[10:28]	matey	jewish developers probably
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[10:28]	mole	how so?
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[10:32]	mole	matey: idiots
[10:33]	mole	i mean, with anything i considered security critical with a particual attack vector against governmental institutions SSL/TLS shouldn't be relied upon anyway
[10:34]	mole	i'll try something else... bearssl-libtls
[10:35]	mole	i mean, attacking certificate-pinning, as if this went unnoticed by any average IRC user
[10:37]	TR News	Games: Valve, Kingdoms and Castles, and a Lot More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166571
[10:37]	TR Bot	 Games: Valve, Kingdoms and Castles, and a Lot More | Tux Machines
[10:42]	Schestowitz-3	SSL/TLS can be OK
[10:42]	Schestowitz-3	CAs are a problem
[10:43]	Schestowitz-3	esp. when they become a cartel
[10:43]	Schestowitz-3	or a pyramid of trust chains
[10:43]	Schestowitz-3	where the top of the pyramid is something like 'Linux' (Microsoft et al) Foundation
[10:43]	Schestowitz-3	their expired certs have already ruined a lot of devices
[10:43]	Schestowitz-3	which can no longer access the web
[10:43]	Schestowitz-3	or parts of the internet
[10:44]	Schestowitz-3	because of fake, outdated "trust"
[10:44]	Schestowitz-3	so the CAs monopoly is an attack on the environment, ttoo
[10:44]	Schestowitz-3	so much for the Greenwashing by Zemlin
[10:44]	Schestowitz-3	Zemlin greenwasher in chief  https://yewtu.be/watch?v=L6nUewXj0B4
[10:44]	TR Bot	 Jim Zemlin discusses Call for Code and AgStack - Invidious
[10:44]	Schestowitz-3	marketing for ICBM
[10:44]	matey	the CAs monopoly is an attack on the environment, ttoo <- it does seem to contribute to e-waste
[10:45]	Schestowitz-3	"thor away your old TV"
[10:45]	matey	/me has helped a number of people salvage pcs and laptops with this issue
[10:45]	matey	tablets are harder
[10:45]	Schestowitz-3	get a TV with a up-to-date list of CAs
[10:45]	matey	fdroid CAN help with this
[10:45]	matey	but most people are just going to throw out their devices
[10:45]	Schestowitz-3	"it's broken"
[10:45]	Schestowitz-3	"why?"
[10:45]	matey	 get a TV with a up-to-date list of CAs <- smart tvs SHOULD be e-waste
[10:45]	matey	better yet never buy one
[10:46]	Schestowitz-3	"because according to LF this CA is now "expired""
[10:46]	matey	 "it's broken" <- it sank
[10:46]	Schestowitz-3	akin to DRM
[10:46]	Schestowitz-3	with activation servers
[10:46]	matey	lf = linux fraud?
[10:46]	Schestowitz-3	yes!
[10:47]	Schestowitz-3	http://techrights.org/2022/06/26/lf-disinformation-ploy/
[10:47]	TR Bot	 This Past Week the Linux Foundation Ran a Massive Misinformation Campaign in Texas and It Paid Media/Publishers to Repeat Lies/Spin | Techrights
[10:47]	matey	ah, the old lf disinformation ploy
[10:47]	matey	if theres anything i do love, its a good lf disinformation ploy
[10:48]	matey	"you idiot! that was a billion dollar enterprise kernel project!"
[10:48]	matey	"not anymore"
[10:49]	Schestowitz-3	they cash in
[10:49]	Schestowitz-3	by selling it out
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	who is they?
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	not developers
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	not techs
[10:50]	matey	microsoft
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	not honest peol
[10:50]	matey	osi
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	eyes, microsoft too
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	yes
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	they are monetisingf AWAY the goodwill
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	iow, the branding work done by millions  of volunteers
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	they sell that away to our enemies
[10:50]	Schestowitz-3	Microsoft is GREEN, says "Linux"
[10:51]	Schestowitz-3	you can find headlines like these
[10:51]	matey	the halloween documents said they must attack a process, not a product
[10:51]	Schestowitz-3	conflating LF with "Linux"
[10:51]	matey	they finally managed to attack both
[10:51]	Schestowitz-3	zemlin the luckiest man alive
[10:51]	Schestowitz-3	they needed a dunce
[10:51]	Schestowitz-3	someone they can fire at any time
[10:51]	Schestowitz-3	because he lacks credibility and skills
[10:52]	Schestowitz-3	so he will do anything they tell him
[10:52]	Schestowitz-3	to avoid angering them
[10:52]	matey	esr + fancy suit + macbook = zemlin
[10:52]	Schestowitz-3	esr can code
[10:52]	Schestowitz-3	zemlin cannot
[10:52]	matey	yeah, esr at least had technical skills
[10:53]	matey	granted from a tech standpoint, esr was a bit like
[10:54]	matey	"i just made this fuel injector out of plans i found online-- dont listen to these amatuers who designed the entire car, theyre crazy"
[10:54]	matey	and thats his technical contributions in a nutshell
[10:55]	matey	there are a lot of people like that in open source
[10:55]	Schestowitz-3	I don't know much about his early code
[10:55]	Schestowitz-3	just some projects he hacked on
[10:55]	matey	i think he worked on ncurses
[10:55]	Schestowitz-3	I could look up a bio or somethiong
[10:55]	Schestowitz-3	but anyway, he's scientifically articulate
[10:55]	Schestowitz-3	not just on issues rerlated to coding, licensing etc.
[10:55]	Schestowitz-3	but also science in general
[10:55]	matey	 he's scientifically articulate <- shit, i wouldnt even go that far
[10:56]	matey	whats an example of him knowing shit about science?
[10:56]	Schestowitz-3	his political views are awful and cruel
[10:56]	Schestowitz-3	but put that aside...
[10:56]	matey	 but put that aside... <- and hes still a fucking troll
[10:56]	matey	who helped destroy free software
[10:56]	matey	to feed his ego
[10:56]	Schestowitz-3	occasionally he wrote OK things abotu science
[10:56]	matey	occasionally he wrote OK things abotu scienc <- news to me
[10:57]	Schestowitz-3	it's when he crosses over to politics that I skip
[10:57]	matey	not familiar with esr the "scientist"
[10:57]	Schestowitz-3	hang on..
[10:57]	matey	sure
[10:57]	Schestowitz-3	not every bigot is stupide
[10:57]	Schestowitz-3	esr is not stupid
[10:57]	matey	 esr is not stupid <- fsvo stupid
[10:58]	matey	ive been saying for a while now, that everyone is stupid about SOMETHING
[10:58]	Schestowitz-3	http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7954
[10:58]	TR Bot	 The UPSide state diagram Armed and Dangerous
[10:58]	matey	rms and hardware is a fine example
[10:58]	matey	hes a fucking idiot about hardware. fucking. idiot.
[10:58]	Schestowitz-3	http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7941
[10:58]	TR Bot	 How many Einsteins per Africa? Armed and Dangerous
[10:58]	Schestowitz-3	just random
[10:58]	matey	he invented free software and hes a genius about physics
[10:58]	Schestowitz-3	not saying they're good examples
[10:58]	Schestowitz-3	do tell the mole Einstein is used as yardstick of wisdom
[10:59]	matey	i dont know if esr actually knows shit about science
[10:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[10:59]	Schestowitz-3	his head might explode
[10:59]	matey	i mean by fuzi standards he might be a genius
[10:59]	Schestowitz-3	I forgot the german scientist who got close to nuclear bomb but was beaten to it by the germany escappes
[10:59]	Schestowitz-3	like godel and einstein
[10:59]	mole	Schestowitz-3: the implementation of SSL/TLS are attacked too, not only the CAs
[10:59]	Schestowitz-3	*escapees
● Jun 28
[11:00]	chunky	it's a travesty
[11:00]	Schestowitz-3	heinsenberg?
[11:00]	chunky	oops i was scrolled up
[11:00]	Schestowitz-3	made a theory named after him
[11:00]	mole	i noticed more than once, simple certificate pinning is problematic with various ssl/tls implementations and programs relying on it
[11:00]	mole	at least gemini protocol got that right
[11:01]	Schestowitz-3	Stochastic stuff
[11:01]	Schestowitz-3	been almost 20 years since I read about it
[11:01]	matey	http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7941 <- this is just eugenics masturbating on armchair stastics-based pseudo-intellectual bullshit
[11:02]	matey	im surprised you think theres science going on there
[11:02]	Schestowitz-3	https://www.mdpi.com/2073-8994/12/9/1533/pdf?version=1600323082
[11:02]	Schestowitz-3	The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
[11:02]	Schestowitz-3	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg
[11:02]	TR Bot	 Werner Heisenberg - Wikipedia
[11:02]	matey	what does heisenberg have to do with esr?
[11:03]	mole	was thinking about the heisenberg uncertainty while ago, it's conceptually flawed slightly
[11:03]	Schestowitz-3	that article esr did on einstein
[11:03]	Schestowitz-3	he had competition
[11:03]	matey	,,,
[11:03]	Schestowitz-3	other people working on "the bomb"
[11:03]	matey	it wasnt about einstein
[11:03]	Schestowitz-3	or rather the theory enabling it
[11:03]	matey	it was about africans
[11:03]	mole	the sampling-theorem of Shannon resolves the contradiction surrounding the "uncertainty"
[11:04]	matey	seriously, you just posted some nazi internet psueudoscience bullshit
[11:04]	mole	in fact, modern physics and science, and most modern signal processing relies on it: the sampling theorem
[11:04]	Schestowitz-3	matey: didn't read it, just cliicked on it
[11:04]	mole	which answers the question, what the limitations to measure some signal are
[11:04]	Schestowitz-3	he did write some scientific blog posts
[11:05]	Schestowitz-3	but like I said, his politics is reprehensible most of the time
[11:05]	Schestowitz-3	afaik, it's not even new
[11:05]	Schestowitz-3	afteer 9/11 he became a liability to OSI
[11:05]	matey	im not implying you sympathise with his nonsense
[11:05]	Schestowitz-3	but even before that he was a gun fanatic and maybe political misfit
[11:05]	mole	and the historical uncertainty principle of heisenberg leads to unacceptable scientific contradictions, just as the speed-of-light property do and the planck quantum
[11:05]	matey	if anything, i dont think youre that stupid (you dont strike me as a eugenicist either)
[11:05]	matey	my point is
[11:05]	mole	alot of this is distraction from the real science
[11:06]	matey	esr is posting about PSUEDOSCIENCE
[11:06]	Schestowitz-3	>>  (you dont strike me as a eugenicist either) 
[11:06]	matey	where is his scientific stuff? 
[11:06]	Schestowitz-3	I'm not IBM employee 100% of the time
[11:06]	matey	i strongly suspect he knows fuck-all about science
[11:06]	matey	if he did... he would probably dismiss this utter crap hes posting.
[11:06]	mole	haven't got at least a reasonable explanation, why real science is distracted from, since it's well established, not secret nor subject to proliferation concerns
[11:06]	Schestowitz-3	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26875575
[11:06]	TR Bot	 > You are an IBM employee 100% of the time. This is simply illegal. I am surpris... | Hacker News
[11:06]	matey	100% of the time <- when did you work for ibm, or even red hat?
[11:06]	Schestowitz-3	https://linuxreviews.org/IBM_Appears_To_Believe_They_Own_Their_Employees_%22100%25_of_the_time%22
[11:06]	TR Bot	 IBM Appears To Believe They Own Their Employees "100% of the time" - LinuxReviews
[11:06]	mole	some of it, speed-of-light voodoo, black holes etc... it's only confusing the brains of young students
[11:07]	matey	esr isnt a scientist
[11:07]	mole	and the alternative, is some real math and physics elsewhere
[11:07]	Schestowitz-3	https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1251830-ibm-to-kernel-maintainer-you-are-an-ibm-employee-100-of-the-time?p=1251871
[11:07]	TR Bot	To Kernel Maintainer: "You Are An IBM Employee 100% Of The Time" - Phoronix Forums
[11:07]	matey	hes a nutjob fapping over pseudoscientific bullshit
[11:07]	matey	ibm-to-kernel-maintainer-you-are-an-ibm-employee-100-of-the-time <- thats funny
[11:07]	Schestowitz-3	"Raymond began his programming career writing proprietary software, between 1980 and 1985.[5] In 1990, noting that the Jargon File had not been maintained since about 1983, he adopted it, but not without criticism; Paul Dourish maintains an archived original version of the Jargon File, because, he says, Raymond's updates "essentially destroyed what held it together."[6]
[11:07]	Schestowitz-3	"
[11:07]	Schestowitz-3	from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond
[11:07]	TR Bot	 Eric S. Raymond - Wikipedia
[11:08]	Schestowitz-3	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_S._Raymond#/media/File:Eric_Raymond_2019.jpg
[11:08]	TR Bot	 Eric S. Raymond - Wikipedia
[11:08]	Schestowitz-3	he looks like Rob Enderle now
[11:08]	Schestowitz-3	with that facial hair
[11:09]	matey	i think hes a turd
[11:09]	Schestowitz-3	it does not say if he has anyhigher education or complementary education
[11:09]	Schestowitz-3	(comparable)
[11:10]	Schestowitz-3	Zuckerberg: you are FB user 100% of the time
[11:10]	Schestowitz-3	"get the app"
[11:10]	matey	if you have an android phone, you probably ARE an fb user 100% of the time
[11:10]	matey	unless youve rooted it
[11:11]	Schestowitz-3	if you install the "app"
[11:11]	Schestowitz-3	iirc, it was around 7 years ago that FB mandated installing "app"
[11:11]	matey	preinstalled on most android phones
[11:11]	Schestowitz-3	to send private messages
[11:11]	Schestowitz-3	it's a form of blackmail
[11:11]	Schestowitz-3	you cannot talk to "friends"
[11:11]	Schestowitz-3	or see what they tell you
[11:11]	matey	you have to root the phone to remove fb app
[11:11]	Schestowitz-3	UNTIL you put the "app" on your "phone"
[11:12]	Schestowitz-3	of course the app [sic] will do a lot more than the above functionality
[11:12]	matey	next itll be, you have to root the phone but it will leave some functionality a la internet edgesplorer
[11:12]	matey	then youll have to find the files and delete
[11:12]	Schestowitz-3	microphone, address book harvesting, cameras, location tracking etc.
[11:12]	matey	all that shit
[11:12]	Schestowitz-3	today's "apps" complain if there is no network connection
[11:12]	Schestowitz-3	even if you are on wifdi
[11:12]	Schestowitz-3	as they cannot determine our physical loication
[11:12]	matey	crapps
[11:13]	Schestowitz-3	as if they read or send a message you must say where you are (toilet, kitchen, yard)
[11:13]	matey	i got so close to switching back to a landline recently
[11:13]	Schestowitz-3	they have sub-meter precision alreayd
[11:13]	Schestowitz-3	plus altitude to some extent
[11:13]	Schestowitz-3	depending on number of antennas around you have the number next to the GEEEEEEE
[11:13]	matey	 plus altitude to some extent <- i believe this is all wifi
[11:14]	matey	i dont think gsm can do that
[11:14]	Schestowitz-3	wifi does it too
[11:14]	Schestowitz-3	you live in a seas of wifi connections
[11:14]	matey	no i dont think gsm can physically do that
[11:14]	Schestowitz-3	and "hotspots"
[11:14]	Schestowitz-3	unless you are in some iosolated mension
[11:14]	matey	wifi does it ONLY (i believe)
[11:14]	Schestowitz-3	or countryside
[11:14]	Schestowitz-3	and they see [sic] your devices all the time
[11:14]	Schestowitz-3	they are a sea of eacons
[11:14]	Schestowitz-3	*beacons
[11:15]	matey	if they had vertical arrays of gsm stations then maybe gsm could do that
[11:15]	matey	i believe gsm tracking is 2d only
[11:15]	matey	let me know you when you find evidence to the contrary
[11:15]	Schestowitz-3	you cannot hide from all the other routers and become visible only to yours
[11:15]	Schestowitz-3	they can detect the radio freqeuencies yyou send
[11:15]	matey	you cannot hide from all the other routers <- but that is only relevant to wifi
[11:15]	Schestowitz-3	and afaik it's in the secretive wifi spacs
[11:15]	Schestowitz-3	wifi3, 4...
[11:15]	Schestowitz-3	you contantly send signal
[11:15]	matey	afaik it's in the secretive wifi spacs <- i consider it an application
[11:16]	matey	maybe its in the specs, i dont know
[11:16]	Schestowitz-3	but if you used a stationary machine it always comes from the same place
[11:16]	Schestowitz-3	only signa intensity may vary
[11:16]	matey	you dont have to move for geolocation to work
[11:16]	Schestowitz-3	right
[11:16]	Schestowitz-3	but if the location does not change
[11:16]	Schestowitz-3	then the data you get form it is worthless
[11:16]	matey	triangulation works just as well on stationary signal points
[11:17]	matey	 if the location does not change then the data you get form it is worthless <- um
[11:17]	matey	it probably shows where you live or work
[11:17]	Schestowitz-3	yes, of course
[11:17]	Schestowitz-3	but they get it once and that's it
[11:17]	matey	i dont know if thats "worthless"
[11:17]	matey	its a hell of a fingerprint
[11:17]	Schestowitz-3	they know where your MAC address or whatnot is
[11:17]	Schestowitz-3	there are other ways to find out
[11:17]	Schestowitz-3	like getting your home address ;)
[11:17]	matey	but they get it once and that's it <- and they know when you move to a new home / job
[11:18]	Schestowitz-3	unless you have a reserved desk in some Internet cafe
[11:18]	matey	 like getting your home address <- right, and if they cant get that... now they still can
[11:18]	matey	i mean if your browser fingerprint never changed
[11:18]	matey	thats still useful to them for tracking
[11:18]	Schestowitz-3	exactlyt
[11:18]	matey	because its a solid identifier across everything you do
[11:18]	matey	so its not useless
[11:18]	Schestowitz-3	and they can do that based on this sold dat
[11:18]	Schestowitz-3	twitter was sekkubg sycg dara
[11:18]	matey	its actually incredibly useful for tracking someone
[11:18]	Schestowitz-3	*Selling such data
[11:19]	Schestowitz-3	I should loook while typing
[11:19]	matey	<Schestowitz-3> then the data you get form it is worthless <- but its not at all
[11:19]	matey	<Schestowitz-3> I should loook while typing <- maybe
[11:19]	Schestowitz-3	psydroid2 posted a link
[11:19]	Schestowitz-3	so I looked at a different screen
[11:19]	matey	he posts some good stuff
[11:20]	Schestowitz-3	he posted in #boycottnovell-social
[11:20]	Schestowitz-3	that was unrelated to tech
[11:20]	Schestowitz-3	I can get you a good video on tracking by wifi
[11:20]	Schestowitz-3	it's from "braxmann"
[11:20]	matey	you dont need to 
[11:20]	Schestowitz-3	OK
[11:20]	matey	i already know that tracking by wifi works
[11:20]	matey	what i was disputing was that gsm can track in 3d
[11:20]	matey	as i dont believe it can
[11:20]	Schestowitz-3	tablets are like this
[11:20]	Schestowitz-3	even without gsm
[11:20]	matey	yes, without gsm
[11:21]	matey	but only without gsm
[11:21]	Schestowitz-3	if you have wifi on and walk through a town with many wifi 'hoitspots'
[11:21]	Schestowitz-3	like BT's
[11:21]	Schestowitz-3	they call it "the clown"
[11:21]	matey	as gsm cant do that unless they set up vertical arrays of towers
[11:21]	Schestowitz-3	it's a deployment og beacons
[11:21]	matey	but that would be silly when wifi already provides this cheaply
[11:21]	matey	and for gsm it would be incredibly expensive
[11:21]	matey	if we go into the future
[11:21]	matey	i would not be surprised if gsm isnt abandoned for wifi ENTIRELY
[11:21]	Schestowitz-3	so you need to walk with something like Palm PDA
[11:21]	matey	but it wont be this decade
[11:21]	Schestowitz-3	with IR and BT turned off
[11:21]	matey	probably not the next one either
[11:21]	Schestowitz-3	IR maybe OK
[11:22]	Schestowitz-3	it's very short range
[11:22]	matey	ir would be worthless
[11:22]	Schestowitz-3	but blutwooth (BT) can be picked up
[11:22]	Schestowitz-3	like a nearby phone
[11:22]	matey	its not just short range, its line of sight
[11:22]	matey	perfectly useless for most wireless applications
[11:22]	matey	not for remote controls
[11:23]	Schestowitz-3	but in a shop iff they beam to you or you beam at them they might get device ID
[11:23]	Schestowitz-3	depending on the IR protocol
[11:23]	matey	good luck with that
[11:23]	Schestowitz-3	tough
[11:23]	matey	i had one laptop with an ir thing
[11:23]	Schestowitz-3	they scan your iterms with barcode
[11:23]	Schestowitz-3	IR
[11:23]	matey	i removed the optical diode 
[11:23]	matey	 they scan your iterms with barcode <- very short range
[11:23]	matey	maybe with a laser they could do more
[11:23]	Schestowitz-3	at shops I wear two masks
[11:24]	Schestowitz-3	it hide the jawbone too
[11:24]	Schestowitz-3	all they see is a pair of eyes
[11:24]	matey	technically they have ir lasers but barcode scanners are usually visible
[11:24]	Schestowitz-3	I'm like a saudi prisoner, also known as woman
[11:24]	matey	 all they see is a pair of eyes <- surveillance cameras will become hi res enough to biometric you based on this eventually
[11:24]	matey	phones can already do it
[11:24]	Schestowitz-3	another source of threat is some card they now give with chips on them
[11:24]	matey	i dont know how many years away that is
[11:25]	Schestowitz-3	if they have strong enough scanners to reach the chips
[11:25]	Schestowitz-3	there are actual FBI vans now that xray homes
[11:25]	matey	i mean it depends if the chip has a transmitter/antenna
[11:25]	Schestowitz-3	without saying they're FBI vans, obviously
[11:25]	Schestowitz-3	and they can give you cancer
[11:25]	matey	the ones the uk used to have, usa still has now
[11:25]	matey	no transmitter
[11:25]	Schestowitz-3	but hey, FBI ;)
[11:25]	Schestowitz-3	they also execute people on the spot
[11:25]	matey	theyre contact-only
[11:25]	matey	they also execute people on the spot <- news to me
[11:26]	mole	what scares me, about all this, science and the surveillance crap: the level of arrogance and dilletantism involved
[11:26]	matey	there are actual FBI vans now that xray homes <- thats a 10 year old story, maybe 15
[11:26]	mole	besides the political propganda crap
[11:26]	matey	not irrelevant
[11:26]	matey	just not new
[11:26]	Schestowitz-3	<matey> i mean it depends if the chip has a transmitter/antenna
[11:26]	Schestowitz-3	it's a passive chip
[11:26]	Schestowitz-3	they just need to blow it with signal
[11:26]	Schestowitz-3	and it returns somerhing
[11:26]	matey	thats still a transmitter
[11:26]	matey	even if its powered by the 
[11:26]	Schestowitz-3	but I imagine to do this across a road they need very high amplitude
[11:26]	matey	do you know "the thing"
[11:26]	Schestowitz-3	maybe it would make you vomit LOL
[11:27]	matey	it was a passive transmitter used to spy on the white house
[11:27]	matey	it was powered BY the transmission sent to it
[11:27]	matey	and it returned audio 
[11:27]	matey	this was decades ago
[11:27]	matey	maybe even 60s 70s
[11:27]	Schestowitz-3	then you have laser microphones
[11:27]	matey	soviet era
[11:28]	Schestowitz-3	I hear they're getting more precise these days
[11:28]	Schestowitz-3	but many people now have many microphones in their home
[11:28]	matey	then you have laser microphones <- but again, line of sight
[11:28]	Schestowitz-3	connected to the Web and Net ALL the time
[11:28]	Schestowitz-3	not landlines
[11:28]	matey	a passive transmitter could work even where a laser mic would not
[11:28]	Schestowitz-3	the fake "phones"
[11:28]	matey	a laser mic is probably harder to detect though
[11:29]	Schestowitz-3	embassies studied these already
[11:29]	matey	obviously
[11:29]	matey	if its on wikipedia, and can be used to compromise an embassy
[11:29]	matey	theyve probably studied it
[11:29]	Schestowitz-3	no windows for some rooms
[11:29]	matey	because laser mics
[11:30]	matey	among other reasons...
[11:30]	Schestowitz-3	https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/07/who-bugged-ecuadors-london-embassy/313640/
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Who Bugged Julian Assange's Hideout? - The Atlantic
[11:30]	matey	windows are also see-thru
[11:30]	Schestowitz-3	https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/04/ecuador-names-embassy-bug-surveillance
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Ecuador says London embassy bug hidden in socket | Ecuador | The Guardian
[11:30]	Schestowitz-3	https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/ecuador-claims-hidden-microphone-found-in-its-london-embassy-1.1352724
[11:30]	TR Bot	 Ecuador claims hidden microphone found in its London Embassy | CTV News
[11:31]	matey	if you can xray through brick you can read lips :)
[11:31]	matey	then maybe theyll use lead walls or something
[11:31]	matey	spy tech is nuts
[11:32]	Schestowitz-3	overrated
[11:32]	matey	maybe someday theyll find a way to use quantum entanglement to record inside secret buildings
[11:32]	Schestowitz-3	the xray stuff is for things like drug raids, iirc
[11:32]	matey	overrated <- not sure what you mean
[11:32]	Schestowitz-3	they want to know which room you might be in
[11:32]	Schestowitz-3	or when toy do certain activities
[11:32]	Schestowitz-3	now they have spy meters in many homes
[11:32]	Schestowitz-3	they "save energy"
[11:32]	Schestowitz-3	so they already have a lot more info
[11:32]	matey	good for profiling
[11:33]	Schestowitz-3	poobook
[11:33]	Schestowitz-3	coming soon from Zuck and Sandbag
[11:33]	Schestowitz-3	Sandbag leaves FB to start her own company
[11:33]	Schestowitz-3	poopbook
[11:33]	Schestowitz-3	upload your photos
[11:33]	Schestowitz-3	get "likes"
[11:33]	Schestowitz-3	 go VIRAL
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[11:34]	DaemonFC	More Billshit.
[11:34]	Schestowitz-3	oh oh
[11:34]	Schestowitz-3	billg or bullshit at home?
[11:35]	DaemonFC	NPR doing inflation articles about taco trucks and pizza slices.
[11:35]	Schestowitz-3	it's too early to phone landlord
[11:35]	Schestowitz-3	BillPR
[11:35]	DaemonFC	I just call everything NPR posts "Billshit" at this point.
[11:35]	Schestowitz-3	not NPR
[11:35]	Schestowitz-3	BillPR, formerly known as NPR
[11:35]	Schestowitz-3	unless Bill is the NATION
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[11:35]	Schestowitz-3	BillBeeShit
[11:35]	Schestowitz-3	(BBC)
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[11:36]	TR News	On inflation https://www.thenation.com/article/economy/inflation-economy-labor-market/ | Source: The Nation
[11:36]	TR Bot	 We Shouldnt Destroy What Is Working in Our Economy | The Nation
[11:36]	DaemonFC	https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/northwest-indiana-fireworks-dealers-say-business-has-fizzled-this-year
[11:36]	TR Bot	 Northwest Indiana fireworks dealers say business has fizzled this year
[11:37]	TR News	"With the rise of many developing economies, in particular, the Chinese economy" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/27/prospects-world-peace-after-south-korean-president-yoons-acceptance-bidens-new-cold | Source: Common Dreams
[11:37]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Prospects for World Peace After South Korean President Yoon's Acceptance of Biden's New Cold War | Seung Hee Jeon
[11:37]	DaemonFC	Wondering why with hyperinflation people aren't spending their money on things that burn to celebrate a country that's killing us.
[11:37]	DaemonFC	"The guys call us and say theyre not able to purchase this year because of economic reasons, gas being too high. I have seen a lot of people doing carpooling now because gas has gone up," Mota said.
[11:37]	DaemonFC	Oh the horrors.
[11:37]	Schestowitz-3	succinctly put 
[11:37]	DaemonFC	Carpooling!
[11:38]	Schestowitz-3	crap-pooing
[11:38]	DaemonFC	<Schestowitz-3> succinctly put 
[11:39]	DaemonFC	Back in the 90s when things were cheap and money was abundant and jobs were everywhere, I suppose people would be more in the mood to celebrate.
[11:39]	TR News	Elon Musk aka "pedo guy" and Twitter https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/27/tax-extreme-wealth-save-planet-earth | Source: Common Dreams
[11:39]	TR Bot	 Opinion | Tax Extreme Wealth to Save Planet Earth | Basav Sen
[11:39]	DaemonFC	When I started driving, gas was like, a little over $1 a gallon.
[11:40]	DaemonFC	It wasn't that hard to fill up a 17 gallon tank when the whole tank of gas would be like $18 or $18.50.
[11:40]	DaemonFC	Today you have to spend like $90-100.
[11:40]	TR News	Charles Reich https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/06/27/corporatization-just-about-everything-including-climate-crisis-and-outer-space "Greening of America." Or greeenwash http://techrights.org/2021/11/09/linux-foundation-greenwash/
[11:40]	TR Bot	 Opinion | The Corporatization of Just About EverythingIncluding the Climate Crisis and Outer Space | Tom Valovic
[11:40]	TR Bot	 Linux Foundation Has Become Even Worse Than Climate Science Deniers | Techrights
[11:40]	DaemonFC	The government lies to make inflation seem like not a big deal, but now it's so bad and so fast that they can't completely lie about it and tell you it's very low, tame even.
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[11:41]	DaemonFC	People were standing in line at Walmart to spend a one or two time "stimulus" check on another television set.
[11:41]	DaemonFC	When it was painfully obvious what would happen a couple of years later.
[11:41]	Schestowitz-3	different things here
[11:41]	Schestowitz-3	1) benckruptiies
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	2) media reporting on (2)
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	if (2) does not happen, did (1) happen?
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	The media is a filter
[11:42]	DaemonFC	Bankruptcy wave in the UK?
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	BillPR is a lie machine
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	iI avoid it
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: many shops closed
[11:42]	DaemonFC	Yeah, the media just tells you the official narrative so you won't panic.
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	we see "new ones" (as in dead ones) every month
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: unemployment loest ever
[11:42]	Schestowitz-3	back to normal
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	go to the office
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	"great resignation"
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	"talent shortage"
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	"apply today"
[11:43]	DaemonFC	Yes, they say "recovery", but from the Metra in the richest cities in the country no less, empty retail and commercial space everywhere.
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	the NC media near red hat makes it seem like everyone is hiring
[11:43]	DaemonFC	About the only places that haven't seemed to flop are the grocery store, the pharmacy, and Starbucks.
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	and gives the impression yoour unemmployed ngihbour is just a lazy bum
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	without a job of of PERSONAKL choice
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	remember.... "great resignation"
[11:43]	Schestowitz-3	it's the victims' fault
[11:44]	Schestowitz-3	they jujst resign
[11:44]	Schestowitz-3	in droves
[11:44]	Schestowitz-3	no layoffs happening
[11:44]	DaemonFC	No job. No need for money, apparently.
[11:44]	Schestowitz-3	tesla has a great resignation problem
[11:44]	Schestowitz-3	and "talent shortager"
[11:44]	DaemonFC	The rent stopped, gas and food are free.
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[11:44]	DaemonFC	Things are just too easy, you know.
[11:45]	mole	strange, i recompiled my irc client, statically linking against libtls-bearssl, and the certificate pinning verification works again :)
[11:46]	mole	i mean, this is even better
[11:48]	mole	because, with libtls/bearssl, it remains totally independent from common upstream clusterfuck surrounding openssl/libressl
[11:49]	mole	and if something related to libressl was breaking certificate fingerprint matching of pinned certificates, i don't know, what to think of this
[11:50]	mole	no blame intended, it was just a slap into my face this morning, to see the irc client complain, after libtls/libressl was updated
[11:50]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, Here's what I posted on Facebook about the Democrats, on a post about the "1/6 Committee".
[11:50]	DaemonFC	"The Democrats let Roe v. Wade die on their watch while they were up to (1) toothless hearings about January 6th that won't lead to any voters changing their minds or prosecutions, (2) frantically sending fundraising emails about Roe v. Wade while they do nothing to codify it, and (3) passing another federal budget with the Hyde Amendment even though they control the Senate, it's not subject to a filibuster, and they could remove it if they 
[11:50]	DaemonFC	wanted to.
[11:50]	DaemonFC	This is after RBG clung to her Supreme Court seat until she was dead and let Trump replace her, bringing about the Dobbs decision.
[11:50]	DaemonFC	The Democrats have been a huge help, haven't they?"
[11:50]	mole	there wasn't any compilation or linking error reported, none at all... nonetheless, some crucial security feature broke silently
[11:50]	mole	which was only cought by accident with the irc client i am using
[11:51]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, They could remove the Hyde Amendment right now and let states get federal matching Medicaid funds for abortion.
[11:51]	DaemonFC	Retaliation for the Dobbs decision.
[11:51]	DaemonFC	But they don't even talk about Hyde.
[11:52]	DaemonFC	Removing the Hyde Amendment wouldn't force any state to cover abortion, it would merely let them get federal matching funds if they do cover it.
[11:52]	DaemonFC	So if Texas sued, they'd have an almost impossible standard since nobody is forcing them to cover it.
[11:53]	DaemonFC	It would be like their suit claiming they are theoretically harmed by expanded Medicaid because they chose not to expand, but people there pay federal taxes.
[11:53]	DaemonFC	It got thrown out of court for lack of standing.
[11:54]	DaemonFC	Could the Republicans bring back Hyde someday. Technically, yes, but not until there's a new budget bill with it that the president would sign, and it would have to pass both chambers of Congress.
[11:54]	DaemonFC	So not for at least three years.
[11:55]	DaemonFC	That would be another political mess for at least a few Republicans.
[11:55]	DaemonFC	Remember that a few of them claim that they were blindsided by Trump's Supreme Court picks, who they say assured them Roe was settled.
[11:56]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/252657
[11:56]	TR Bot	 Russian Defense Ministry confirms strike on Kremenchuk, says ammo explosion caused shopping mall fire
[11:56]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/28/at-least-18-victims-following-mall-missile-strike-in-kremenchuk-news "At least 18 victims following mall missile strike in Kremenchuk"
[11:56]	DaemonFC	If they bring back Hyde, they have to face their voters, and if they were confident that their voters absolutely didn't want Dobbs, then why are they trying to say they were "tricked" into confirming the judges that did it?
[11:56]	TR Bot	 . 
[11:56]	DaemonFC	So it's not at all a sure thing that Hyde would come back unless the Republicans can get 53 seats.
[11:57]		*Schestowitz-3 back (checked blood pressure)
[11:57]	DaemonFC	The smart thing to do politically right now is repeal it and force "moderate" Republicans who have an election to win to face angry voters in their states and districts.
[11:58]	DaemonFC	The Democrats are pretty stupid though.
[11:58]	DaemonFC	They're probably still in there figuring out more ways to lose because people will say "What difference does it make?".
[11:59]	TR News	"Oxfam International is demanding a global windfall profits tax on the massive financial gains made by large corporations over the last two years of the Covid-19 pandemic" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/27/global-windfall-profit-tax-90-needed-address-catastrophic-food-climate-crises-oxfam | Source: Common Dreams
[11:59]	TR Bot	 Global Windfall Profit Tax of 90% Needed to Address 'Catastrophic' Food, Climate Crises: Oxfam
[11:59]	DaemonFC	The way the House map worked out and the way that the Senate elections this year fall, there's not too many places where voters angry about Hyde repeal could take revenge.
[11:59]	DaemonFC	It would be more of a liability for the Republicans.
● Jun 28
[12:00]	DaemonFC	New Mexico Democrats probably made a mistake in redistricting and trying to take all three House seats.
[12:00]	DaemonFC	They've weakened their hold on two to try to take the third, and now they might lose them all.
[12:01]	DaemonFC	The Democrats have tried to aggressively redistrict this cycle to make up for the Republicans controlling more states, and it puts seats at risk that they have now.
[12:02]	DaemonFC	I think Illinois might have been the only aggressive redistricting that's more likely than not to work out well for them.
[12:02]	DaemonFC	They overplayed their hand in New York, a court threw out the maps, and they had "competitive districts" forced on them instead by a college professor who was tasked with redistricting by the court.
[12:02]	DaemonFC	That was just badly badly botched because it was such an overreach.
[12:03]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, That extended stay hotel over by the mall gets mixed reviews.
[12:04]	DaemonFC	It's only $1,000 a month, which is cheap considering what apartments go for, where the landlord additionally expects you to pay for utilities.
[12:04]	DaemonFC	So we _could_ go back to living in a hotel and paying by the month again for a while if we had to.
[12:04]	DaemonFC	That has ups and downs obviously. 
[12:04]	Schestowitz-3	the price varies
[12:04]	DaemonFC	There's no landlord but the terms of your stay can change immediately on you with no time to prepare.
[12:04]	Schestowitz-3	I forgot how much you got in that hote//motal
[12:05]	Schestowitz-3	with the over issues
[12:05]	Schestowitz-3	*motel
[12:05]	Schestowitz-3	and then they jacked up the prices
[12:05]	DaemonFC	Yeah, I think that one was pretty ghetto compared to this one.
[12:05]	Schestowitz-3	how far from mandy's work?
[12:05]	DaemonFC	This one looks nice on the outside and there's no indication of crackheads playing shove the Walmart cart into the retention pond.
[12:05]	Schestowitz-3	you can lower fuel spendings
[12:06]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, It would be about the same distance, just from Gurnee instead of over by the lake in Waukegan.
[12:06]	DaemonFC	He could transfer to the other Walmart.
[12:06]	DaemonFC	Then it would be closer.
[12:06]	Schestowitz-3	you can save $200 on fuel a month maybe
[12:06]	Schestowitz-3	the price may continues to skyrocket
[12:06]	DaemonFC	I'm just glad I saw this while I can fight our current landlord to stay here until at least our lease ends in 126 days.
[12:06]	Schestowitz-3	the war is not ending
[12:07]	DaemonFC	And not wait until I get some letter in the mail saying "you have 30 days to beat it".
[12:07]	schestowitz-TR	<techrights-news> "military alliance" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/27/nato-boost-ranks-high-readiness-forces-650-over-300000 | Source: Common Dreams
[12:07]	TR Bot	 NATO to Boost Ranks of High-Readiness Forces by 650% to Over 300,000
[12:07]	DaemonFC	I might lose all the furniture, but that's why I bought cheap furniture.
[12:07]	TR News	9 Top Free and Open Source Elixir Web Frameworks Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166572
[12:07]	TR Bot	 9 Top Free and Open Source Elixir Web Frameworks | Tux Machines
[12:07]	DaemonFC	I got more expensive stuff when I lived with John and lost all of it.
[12:08]	TR News	IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 169 is available for testing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166573
[12:08]	TR Bot	 IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 169 is available for testing | Tux Machines
[12:08]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: mayebv 60 days
[12:08]	DaemonFC	schestowitz-TR, There was a landlord here in Waukegan that was doing 2 year leases.
[12:09]	DaemonFC	I might see if I can look them up.
[12:09]	DaemonFC	The stress of having a lease come up every year is not pleasant.
[12:09]	schestowitz-TR	] <schestowitz-TR> life in Murica: PTSD without the war, mental breakdown without the anti-depressants
[12:09]	schestowitz-TR	[09:03] <schestowitz-TR> they will get him contemplating again... unless it boils down to a major error
[12:09]	schestowitz-TR	[09:03] <schestowitz-TR> he needs to wait 8 hours to phone the landlord
[12:09]	schestowitz-TR	[09:03] <schestowitz-TR> for IRC you need to check gemini or the tail for circa 4am gmt
[12:09]	schestowitz-TR	[09:04] <Techrights-sec2> ok checking
[12:09]	schestowitz-TR	[09:04] <Techrights-sec2> fighting an eviction can drag the process out by up to 60 days iirc about the US
[12:09]	DaemonFC	<Schestowitz-3> DaemonFC: mayebv 60 days
[12:09]	DaemonFC	I'm still leaning towards "This is a mistake.".
[12:10]	DaemonFC	He's given me no indication that he's not happy with us. He was out here last week and the only thing he said was "Thank you sir!" for holding the door, then again to mow the lawn and he waved at me while I was backing the car out.
[12:10]	TR News	"Weve all heard of the smoke test, and we know that its the lowest possible bar for performance of an electronic device." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/homebrew-optical-sensor-helps-your-diesel-pass-the-smoke-test/ | Source: Hackaday
[12:10]	TR Bot	Optical Sensor Helps Your Diesel Pass The Smoke Test | Hackaday
[12:10]	DaemonFC	I mean, usually if there's a problem, I haven't met too many landlords that just keep it to themselves.
[12:11]	DaemonFC	Neither he nor his wife have filed any evictions in three years.
[12:11]	DaemonFC	I'm going to pull up the property records and see if they transferred this place to an LLC or anything.
[12:12]	Schestowitz-3	I was about to day
[12:12]	Schestowitz-3	that maybe he sells it
[12:12]	Schestowitz-3	sold it
[12:12]	Schestowitz-3	or ownership changed in some way
[12:12]	Schestowitz-3	because I saw people whose landlord puut the home on slae
[12:12]	Schestowitz-3	even my next door neighboiut
[12:13]	Schestowitz-3	who owned a brewery or something
[12:13]	Schestowitz-3	weak business during pandemic
[12:16]	DaemonFC	The tax department says they own it.
[12:16]	Schestowitz-3	maybe they are possessed by daemons now
[12:18]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166574
[12:18]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[12:18]	DaemonFC	They owe $22,032 in property taxes on the building for the year.
[12:18]	DaemonFC	25 apartments.
[12:19]	DaemonFC	$881.28 per apartment per year, or $73.44 a month.
[12:19]	TR News	Easy OS 4.1.....A Quick First Look - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wIZyD6wA8QM Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[12:19]	TR Bot	 Easy OS 4.1.....A Quick First Look - Invidious
[12:21]	XRevan86	>  As a result of the high-precision strike, Western-made weapons and ammunition stored in the area
[12:21]	XRevan86	https://images.newsru.co.il/l/207/54/2075400.jpg Efrem Lukatsky from AP took this picture yesterday.
[12:21]	XRevan86	https://images.newsru.co.il/l/207/53/2075399.jpg and this one
[12:21]	DaemonFC	No, that's one installment.
[12:21]	DaemonFC	Wow.
[12:22]	XRevan86	The former one is the nearby factory, the latter is the mall.
[12:22]	DaemonFC	They owe $44,000 in property taxes on this place every year and it only covers two-thirds of the total complex?
[12:22]	XRevan86	So the factory is untouched.
[12:23]	DaemonFC	Our current rent is $875, so that leaves them with like $725 after the property taxes.
[12:23]	DaemonFC	I wonder what our water and sewage bill come out to.
[12:23]	DaemonFC	$100 maybe?
[12:23]	DaemonFC	Let's say he has $600 left each month after water/sewage, our share of the trash removal, and property taxes.
[12:24]	TR News	MNT Pocket Reform 7-inch modular mini laptop takes a range of Arm (and FPGA) modules Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166575
[12:24]	TR Bot	 MNT Pocket Reform 7-inch modular mini laptop takes a range of Arm (and FPGA) modules | Tux Machines
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[12:24]	DaemonFC	That would still be $180,000 out of 25 apartments for the year, assuming he can keep them all rented out.
[12:25]	DaemonFC	Even if you generously assume it costs him $20,000 in maintainence, insurance, and natural gas (for the water heater and to keep the hallways warm enough not to freeze in the winter), that's $160,000.
[12:26]	DaemonFC	The guy and his wife are probably loaded, and they'd be loaded even if they didn't come out raise rent on all of their tenants.
[12:26]	DaemonFC	But that's true of pretty much all landlords.
[12:27]	DaemonFC	Take mom's for example "Dear tenant, due to inflation your rent is going up $225 a month starting next month. By the way, do you like the house I just bought on the lake? It's even bigger than the last one.".
[12:27]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, They floated the idea of rent control boards a few years ago because of the overheated rental market in Chicago.
[12:28]	DaemonFC	THe landlords are, unsurprisingly, fighting it off.
[12:29]	Schestowitz-3	XRevan86: many shots
[12:29]	XRevan86	Yes, from two different locations.
[12:29]	DaemonFC	Their position is if the tenants have to pay $20 a year to feed the rent control board it will be too hard on the tenants. And that's their job. The landlord can come out and raise the rent by $600 every year, and that's not a burden on the tenants at all you know.
[12:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-28.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[12:30]	Schestowitz-3	most Americans do not even own a home
[12:30]	Schestowitz-3	mortgage does not count as ownership
[12:30]	DaemonFC	If you complain about it, they'll tell you to get out and then you just have to pay the same or more so some other jerk.
[12:30]	Schestowitz-3	the bank i s the landlord
[12:30]	DaemonFC	You can't win.
[12:30]	DaemonFC	Yeah, they also don't fix anything.
[12:31]	DaemonFC	And you have to throw away more money than you planned on because of PMI and homeowner's insurance, and directly paying the taxes to the government.
[12:31]	matey	roys on a real american kick today
[12:31]	DaemonFC	Which are going to be a hell of a lot more than $1,600 a year baked into your rent.
[12:31]	matey	i hope it makes being british less stupid
[12:31]	matey	not that roy is even british
[12:31]	DaemonFC	The going rate on property taxes on a house around here are like $6,000-8,000 a year.
[12:31]	matey	how are things in germany, i wonder
[12:32]	TR News	COVID-19 patent profiteers like Bill Gates, the enabler of the child sex trafficking ring of jeffrey Epstein https://www.thenation.com/article/environment/oxfam-windfall-tax-food-climate/ | Source: The Nation
[12:32]	TR Bot	 A Windfall Tax on Covid Profits Could Ease the Catastrophic Food Crisis | The Nation
[12:32]	matey	if we ask herr goebbels, not great
[12:32]	DaemonFC	So you're paying as much in taxes as you would be to rent, and that's before the mortgage and the insurance and repairs.
[12:32]	matey	of course being poor sucks no matter where you life
[12:32]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, Most people don't think of this until they're in there getting fucked six ways to Sunday on "home ownership".
[12:32]	DaemonFC	And then the furnace goes out too.
[12:32]	TR News	Polluter... like the person who gives bribes to Pro Publica, Bill Gates, the world's biggest polluter https://www.propublica.org/article/pollution-kentucky-westlake-chemical-cancer
[12:32]	TR Bot	 The Polluter Just Got a Million-Dollar Fine. That Wont Cure This Womans Rare Cancer. ProPublica
[12:32]	matey	roy talks of retiring in his 40s so i guess he wouldnt know
[12:33]	DaemonFC	Eh why not? 
[12:33]	DaemonFC	Ever since 2008, have you seen what it's like trying to get a job?
[12:34]	DaemonFC	Eventually one might call you back but you'll be putting pizzas in the oven at Little Caesars for $12 an hour.
[12:34]	DaemonFC	Especially since they can nitpick and if there's anything at all wrong with you they can move on to the next.
[12:34]	DaemonFC	Richard Stallman was actually right about Disability.
[12:35]	Schestowitz-3	matey: semi
[12:35]	DaemonFC	It hardly makes sense trying to "catch" anyone because what kind of a job would they have if you did?
[12:35]	Schestowitz-3	like part time
[12:35]	DaemonFC	Not that it stops the politicians.
[12:35]	matey	home ownership in the united states is 65%
[12:35]	DaemonFC	They'd prefer you die on a park bench in the cold.
[12:35]	Schestowitz-3	our expenses are low, but this inflation rate is insane
[12:35]	DaemonFC	Where you won't bother them.
[12:35]	Schestowitz-3	matey: how do they count kids and couples?
[12:35]	matey	higher than france
[12:36]	Schestowitz-3	also, how do they count one person with 10 homes?
[12:36]	matey	higher than sweden
[12:36]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, I'm dreading this phone call. Almost makes me want to text.
[12:36]	Schestowitz-3	phone
[12:36]	matey	oh.. and higher than the united kingdom.
[12:36]	DaemonFC	Like, how do you comfortably bring up "So I saw MY apartment on the listings?".
[12:36]	Schestowitz-3	mortgages are common here
[12:36]	matey	considerably higher than germany.
[12:36]	Schestowitz-3	if they count mortgages too,  then it's not meaningful
[12:36]	DaemonFC	I mean, like, I always end up coming off as annoyed and pissed off that I have to stop and deal with people.
[12:37]	matey	for some reason, roy is just obsessed with the well-being of americans
[12:37]	Schestowitz-3	maybe 65% is like US "unemployment" rate
[12:37]	matey	even its when its bullshit.
[12:37]	Schestowitz-3	where they don't count "unemployment" at all
[12:37]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, 
[12:37]	Schestowitz-3	they count "number of people actively seeking job in past 6 months"
[12:37]	DaemonFC	They want forty year mortgages here now.
[12:37]	matey	hey, idiot-- american home ownership is higher than british OR your actual country of origin
[12:37]	DaemonFC	Nobody at the banks want affordable home sale prices.
[12:37]	DaemonFC	They want 40 year mortgages that are pure interest.
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[12:37]	matey	just saying
[12:38]	matey	youre fake british superiority doesnt hold water today
[12:38]	matey	not on on this one
[12:38]	DaemonFC	Home ownership in the US has been declining rapidly.
[12:38]	Schestowitz-3	germany is also expensive
[12:38]	Schestowitz-3	but let me check
[12:38]	DaemonFC	The banks play games with people where they keep stuff off the market to drive the prices up on other things.
[12:38]	Schestowitz-3	can you give a link
[12:38]	Schestowitz-3	so I can check what they calculate?
[12:38]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
[12:38]	TR Bot	 List of countries by home ownership rate - Wikipedia
[12:38]	DaemonFC	Even to the point where the home has been empty so long they're out there tearing it down later.
[12:38]	Schestowitz-3	many people consider mortgage "home ownership"
[12:38]	Schestowitz-3	I ndispute that
[12:39]	Schestowitz-3	I know families and couple who "owned" a home
[12:39]	Schestowitz-3	and then don't
[12:39]	matey	you can dispute round earth if you want
[12:39]	DaemonFC	Owing a bank for 30 or 40 years isn't ownership.
[12:39]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC will tell you his parents had "homes"
[12:39]	Schestowitz-3	and now rent
[12:39]	matey	i put no stock in your self-serving massage of statistics
[12:39]	DaemonFC	My parents had a lot of homes and never paid off a single one.
[12:39]	matey	so you can boast about things that have nothing to do with you
[12:39]	DaemonFC	They were lucky enough to sell into a market where prices were rising and not still owe the bank when they moved out.
[12:39]	DaemonFC	But that's not a guarantee.
[12:39]	Schestowitz-3	not many people own a home
[12:40]	matey	you want to talk about home ownership, youre not even a citizen where you live
[12:40]	Schestowitz-3	the media BS tells them loan from the bank means ownership
[12:40]	matey	they could boot you out at any time, and you talk about the bank being the real owner of a home
[12:40]	Schestowitz-3	it doesn't mean jack ***
[12:40]	Schestowitz-3	it just means you are more enslaved than before
[12:40]	DaemonFC	No it doesn't.
[12:40]	matey	then why bring it up?
[12:40]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, I owned a Kia.
[12:40]	DaemonFC	Two missed payments and a bankruptcy, I don't own it.
[12:40]	DaemonFC	And that was only a 6.5 year loan.
[12:41]	DaemonFC	Now consider 30 or 40 years.
[12:41]	DaemonFC	On a house.
[12:41]	DaemonFC	That costs twice as much because it's in Illinois.
[12:41]	matey	heres what i think: you were having your daily pride vs american situation 
[12:41]	matey	your information was wank again
[12:41]	matey	so you turned on a dime wrt your position
[12:41]	DaemonFC	With the government parasites putting a second mortgage on it that never goes away ($8,000 property tax bill)
[12:42]	matey	you were just implying americans are in a bad situation wrt living situation-- which is true
[12:42]	matey	though not for the reason you stated
[12:42]	DaemonFC	So even if you ever do own it, you still have to rent it....from the government.
[12:42]	matey	now youre saying theyre LESS "enslaved" based on your definition
[12:42]	matey	imo you just make shit up as you go
[12:42]	matey	at least with some things, like this.
[12:42]	matey	like bancruptcy being a different thing in the usa
[12:42]	DaemonFC	There's a homestead exemption in Illinois, but it's laughable. The government taxes the shit out of you here.
[12:42]	matey	because you wanted to feel better than dfc
[12:43]	matey	but bankruptcy isnt different in the uk or the eu
[12:43]	matey	its the same thing there it is in the states
[12:43]	DaemonFC	Bankruptcy is bankruptcy.
[12:43]	TR News	"Were the richest country in the world, home to the richest people on the planet. We can, and we must, treat our workers with the dignity and respect" https://robertreich.org/post/688269074971672576 | Source: Robert Reich
[12:43]	TR Bot	 Robert Reich (4 Myths About Raising the Minimum Wage The federal...)
[12:43]	matey	and you cant find a single country where "bankrupcty" only applies to corporations like you said
[12:43]	matey	"wikipedia failed me" 
[12:43]	DaemonFC	It's what happens when you can't pay your debts anymore and need a court order to protect you from your creditors.
[12:43]	matey	i think facts fail you. often.
[12:43]	matey	because you make things up a lot.
[12:44]	matey	not the things you CITE
[12:44]	matey	just the ones you pull from your arse.
[12:44]	DaemonFC	The Philippines maybe, but it's not a "real" country.
[12:44]	matey	you ever heard of cheers?
[12:44]	DaemonFC	It's a corrupt and autocratic dictatorship.
[12:44]	matey	took place not far from the fsf
[12:44]	matey	there was this guy, cliff clavin
[12:44]	DaemonFC	If you owe people money, you go and hide somewhere.
[12:44]	matey	routinely used facts and trivia to produce an air of superiority
[12:45]	DaemonFC	The entire country owes money it can't pay to outfits like the IMF, for "loans" that "improve their lives" by being stolen by people like the Marcos family.
[12:45]	matey	got it from his mother
[12:45]	matey	just saying.
[12:45]	DaemonFC	The US government is in quite a lot of debt, but we don't have anything like the Marcos family going on here.
[12:46]	TR News	"the FAA and the FCC (the agency that actually knows how spectrum works) had gotten into a bit of an ugly tussle over the FAAs claim that 5G could harm air travel safety." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/verizon-att-delay-5g-due-to-ongoing-scuff-up-over-airplane-interference/ | Source: Techdirt
[12:46]	TR Bot	AT&T Delay 5G Due To Ongoing Scuff Up Over Airplane Interference | Techdirt
[12:46]	DaemonFC	*Redeems SDRs and flees the country with them....Bongbong next...*
[12:47]	DaemonFC	matey, Unfortunately, there is no total limit to how much debt you can find yourself in.
[12:47]	DaemonFC	Sometimes married couples take turns filing bankruptcy here and stagger it.
[12:47]	DaemonFC	Like "Okay, I'll pay your medical bills off and file this time. You're up next.".
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[12:48]	DaemonFC	If you're married, you can effectively file bankruptcy twice as often.
[12:48]	DaemonFC	Unless you live in one of a few community property states.
[12:48]	DaemonFC	It's less than ideal. You may both have a bankruptcy on your credit report when you go looking for a place to rent.
[12:48]		*mole (~mole@sgqumk3hmazfw.irc) has joined #techrights
[12:48]	DaemonFC	But it beats having hospitals and shit chasing you down.
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[12:49]	DaemonFC	Welcome to America. You may not be dead, but you'll wish you were when you get the bill.
[12:50]	matey	anybody can get facts wrong of course
[12:50]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, I call mom sometimes for advice on whether I should bother taking a problem to the doctor or hospital.
[12:50]	matey	its funny how so much of what you get wrong subtly implies something personal about other people you... are in some kind of competition with
[12:50]	DaemonFC	She's a nurse at least, I suppose.
[12:50]	matey	just a trend ive spotted over time
[12:50]	Schestowitz-3	https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-debt 2.3 trillion pounds
[12:50]	TR Bot	 United Kingdom Public Sector Net Debt Ex Banks - May 2022 Data - 1975-2021 Historical
[12:50]	DaemonFC	Like, if you break your toe, you can go hobble in there so they can do nothing except make a splint and bill you $4,000 for saying yeah your tow is broken.
[12:51]	matey	okay
[12:51]	Schestowitz-3	was 0.5 before the economy collapsed
[12:51]	DaemonFC	You can do that at home with some tape and cotton balls for crying out loud.
[12:51]	matey	and thats in comparison to...
[12:51]	DaemonFC	*toe
[12:51]	Schestowitz-3	https://tradingeconomics.com/france/government-debt
[12:51]	TR Bot	 France General Government Debt - 2022 Data - 2023 Forecast - 1995-2021 Historical
[12:52]	DaemonFC	Yeah, most of the time the doctor doesn't even do anything, then you get some outrageous bill in the mail.
[12:52]	matey	the economy is going to continue collapsing
[12:52]	matey	thats what it does
[12:52]	matey	it gets built, it collapses
[12:52]	DaemonFC	You'd think people would at least take their meds so that they don't end up in the ER getting a quarter million in debt after having a heart attack.
[12:52]	matey	both phases benefit the rich
[12:52]	matey	differently
[12:52]	DaemonFC	Which could have been prevented by some meds that cost $4 a month.
[12:53]	matey	the economy is bipolar. when its not smiling on the rich
[12:53]	matey	its frowning on the poor
[12:53]	DaemonFC	It's not JUST the thought of dying that concerns me about going to seek medical attention.
[12:53]	matey	heads i win, tails you lose
[12:53]	DaemonFC	It's the idea that you know, a lot of the time it'll either be nothing or something they can't do anything about, but there's still crushing debt involved.
[12:54]	DaemonFC	You know what the follow-up for a seizure is like?
[12:54]	Schestowitz-3	https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/government-debt
[12:54]	TR Bot	 Germany Public Debt - 2022 Data - 2023 Forecast - 1995-2021 Historical - Chart - News
[12:54]	DaemonFC	You literally run up another $50,000 or more in debt so they still can't tell you why it happened, and now you have their attorneys going after you for that AND the $15,000 ER bill too.
[12:56]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, For several years with no insurance, I was going to a church that was running a free and sliding scale fee clinic in their basement.
[12:56]	DaemonFC	They had a retired Nurse Practitioner and some other people who came in and volunteered on Wednesdays, and if you needed medication, they'd help you out if it was generic or get you on some program from the drug companies that covered it.
[12:56]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=QZGurhtlve8
[12:57]	TR Bot	 Band On The Run - Invidious
[12:57]	DaemonFC	It was one of the few years where I was getting something approaching decent medical care, and then Obamacare caused them to have to shut it all down.
[12:58]	DaemonFC	All their patients got "expanded medicaid" and couldn't use it anywhere, but it's "fraud" to give someone free medical care if they have Medicaid, and they didn't have a billind department at the church, so....
[12:58]	DaemonFC	No more free clinic.
[12:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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[13:02]	DaemonFC	Well, no more 5% back on gas in a few days. Goes down to 4% on my other card though. I did figure out how to get 5% for another quarter though. BP's app lets you tell it what pump you're at and pay through Paypal. And Discover's next quarter has Paypal at 5%. so sending the gas station through Paypal makes it code as Paypal, not gas.
[13:03]	matey	christians are not my favourite people today
[13:03]	matey	religion doesnt bother me-- religious persecution does
[13:03]	matey	by "religious persecution" i mean people imposing their beliefs on people to their detriment or oppression
[13:03]	matey	im against theocracy in all forms
[13:04]	matey	im really only annoyed with the ones responsible for this roe v wade shit
[13:04]	matey	but my first response is to change all my purchasing habits-- how much of my money gets spent where
[13:04]	TR News	WINNUKE Post Morte gemini://gem.rmgr.dev/blog/2022-06-28-winnuke-post-mortem.gmi
[13:05]	matey	to cut back substantially on how much of it goes to people on the religious right
[13:05]	matey	one guy i know is to blame for this, gets tipped a lot by me
[13:05]	matey	i will tip him the same
[13:05]	matey	he will be seeing me a lot less often
[13:05]	TR News	</p></blockquote></li>
[13:05]	matey	ill be buying groceries differently
[13:05]	TR News	Called To The Giallo gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1045 "There is nothing quite like being able to witness a really good Giallo picture on the big screen. "
[13:06]	matey	of course this is just a bandage move
[13:06]	matey	ultimately theocracy needs to fucking end
[13:06]	matey	ill defend religious people from mandatory atheism
[13:06]	matey	today its the opposite of that
[13:07]	Schestowitz-3	mandatory gravity
[13:07]	matey	gravity isnt a belief, and no one is required to believe in it
[13:08]	matey	its not illegal to believe in some idiotic alternative to gravity
[13:08]	matey	in some countries, people ARE actually persecuted for having beliefs
[13:08]	matey	im still against that
[13:08]	matey	atheists seem to not care very much about that, theyre being acting intellectually superior
[13:09]	matey	busy
[13:09]	matey	but just like not all christians are to blame for this theocratic horseshit
[13:09]	matey	not all atheists are pompous twits
[13:09]	matey	but the ones who are get so old
[13:10]	matey	smug self-superiority is just as annoying on atheists as it is on christians who say theyll pray for you when you disagree on something
[13:10]	matey	i wont lie though
[13:10]	matey	if i see any atheists digging in on christians in the near future
[13:10]	matey	ill probably just keep walking
[13:11]	matey	they are not my favourite tribe today
[13:12]	matey	some people are already past this and trying to build a world where every person is a true individual
[13:12]	matey	and none of this matters
[13:12]	matey	i think thats a fine goal, i support that
[13:13]	TR News	Computer Scientists are not "technophobes"; Computer Scientists know a lot better how computers work and therefore they oppose and object to certain aspects of computers/ing, which the marketing industry brainwashes the "masses" (general population) to not only like but think that it needs.
[13:13]	matey	we have a ways to go
[13:14]	matey	pretending we are already there is a sort of naive utopianism i dont subscribe to
[13:15]	Schestowitz-3	atheists don't really do this
[13:15]	Schestowitz-3	they don't need to "convert" people
[13:15]	Schestowitz-3	no financial advantage
[13:16]	matey	atheists don't really do this <- lol
[13:17]	TR News	Tories https://www.desmog.com/2022/06/27/climate-denial-funder-set-to-become-tory-peer/ | Source: DeSmog
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[13:17]	matey	no financial advantage <- if you can make money on invisible men who are most likely plagiarised from egyptian mythology
[13:17]	matey	you can make money on anything, including counterarguments
[13:18]	matey	and as im fond of saying (but not the first) incentive is not always about money
[13:18]	matey	influence, control, ego, even "fun"
[13:18]	Schestowitz-3	atheism is an absence of something
[13:18]	matey	but no incentive? rofl
[13:18]	Schestowitz-3	I am atheist to Allah
[13:18]	Schestowitz-3	and atheist to jehovah
[13:18]	Schestowitz-3	and atheist to jesus
[13:18]	Schestowitz-3	and atheist to many things
[13:18]	matey	now you dont even understand your own position
[13:19]	Schestowitz-3	christians are also  atheist  to Allah
[13:19]	matey	atheism falls into two categories
[13:19]	matey	weak and strong
[13:19]	matey	weak atheism is practically synonymous with agnosticism
[13:19]	Schestowitz-3	agnostic = I don't know
[13:19]	Schestowitz-3	atheist = it's bollox, I dopnt''c are
[13:19]	matey	strong atheism is a belief in the absence of something
[13:19]	matey	"there is no god"
[13:19]	Schestowitz-3	atheist+ = I need to convince others of my beliefs
[13:19]	SomeH4x0r	I know a Muslim on digdeeper's chat (matey had been there once), who tries to convert others
[13:20]	SomeH4x0r	I can try bringing him here if there is any reason to
[13:20]	matey	 atheist+ = I need to convince others of my beliefs <- now youre contradicting yourself
[13:20]	SomeH4x0r	however, I have no idea what are you talking ago, I just recognize "religion/atheism"
[13:20]	SomeH4x0r	*talking about
[13:20]	matey	 <Schestowitz-3> atheists don't really do this  <Schestowitz-3> they don't need to "convert" people
[13:20]	Schestowitz-3	some people build an image around atheist as a movement
[13:21]	Schestowitz-3	like the "four horsemen"
[13:21]	matey	so there are atheists who try to convert people
[13:21]	matey	and i really dont have a problem with the fact that people want to argue for a viewpoint
[13:21]	Schestowitz-3	dawkins could carry on doing his own thig in genetics
[13:21]	matey	its just that when atheists do that, they often use tactics that are just as ridiculous as the ones they hate from christians
[13:22]	matey	and i think its funny because THOSE atheists dont even give me peace from the one thing i dislike about christians the most
[13:22]	matey	which is beating dead horses about absolute bullshit, and shallow meaningless takes on something that can be profound and interesting
[13:22]	matey	atheism can be beautiful
[13:22]	matey	people on some kind of atheist crusade dont have time to be interesting-- theyre busy being right
[13:23]	matey	same as the crusader christians
[13:23]	matey	who are pretty much at the top of my shitlist today
[13:23]	matey	i havent been this annoyed with them since the 2000 erection
[13:24]	matey	and that worked out SO well
[13:26]	TR News	Gulag Drive https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/dangerous-ruling-says-if-someone-goes-onto-your-openly-shared-google-drive-you-can-sue-them-for-unauthorized-access/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:26]	TR Bot	Ruling Says If Someone Goes Onto Your Openly Shared Google Drive, You Can Sue Them For Unauthorized Access | Techdirt
[13:27]	matey	there is one thing ill give the christians though 
[13:27]	matey	imo it would have been smarter than what happened
[13:27]	matey	maybe helped prevent what happened recently
[13:28]	matey	if the feds are going to mandate RIGHTS for procedures that go against christian beliefs
[13:28]	matey	maybe-- MAYBE there should have been some way to make it so you get a tax refund
[13:28]	matey	on any money that helps fund abortions, contraception, that sort of thing
[13:28]	matey	the rights should be mandated
[13:29]	matey	but maybe telling peopel to pay for things they dont believe in shouldnt
[13:29]	matey	of course thats a huge slippery slope and thats why maybe its an awful idea
[13:30]	matey	but i feel it would be even easier to say "well you dont get to tell other people what to do based on your religion" if they didnt have to also pay for medicine/medical thigns they dont believe in
[13:30]	matey	it kind of takes one of their arguments away. maybe its worth it, maybe it isnt
[13:30]	matey	moot now
[13:30]	matey	something to consider though the next time they mandate basic human rights for people
[13:31]	matey	that is, make the option something people dont have a "right" to deny people
[13:31]	matey	we now have permissive abortion laws
[13:32]	matey	your state CAN allow but they can also take away those rights
[13:32]	matey	roe v wade was abortionleft
[13:32]	matey	you didnt have the right to deny people the right
[13:36]	matey	and ive never considered any government to have jurisdiction over the contents of a womb
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[13:40]	matey	even though im on the same side of the issue as they are
[13:40]	matey	if i encounter any pro-choice activists talking about the gpl
[13:41]	matey	im going to tell them "well, to be fair-- roe v wade WAS Viral"
[13:41]	TR News	Bastian Best is Still Wrong and Dishonest About Software Patents | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/getting-it-all-wrong-about-software-patents/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/28/getting-it-all-wrong-about-software-patents/
[13:41]	TR Bot	 Bastian Best is Still Wrong and Dishonest About Software Patents | Techrights
[13:44]	TR News	"bersprungsverhalten" gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-06-28%20Evolution%20of%20a%20map
[13:47]	TR News	Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166576
[13:47]	TR Bot	 Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
[13:52]	TR News	Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 is Out Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166577
[13:52]	TR Bot	 Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 is Out | Tux Machines
[13:53]	TR News	Germany https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/germany-says-hell-no-to-eu-proposal-to-outlaw-encryption/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:53]	TR Bot	Says Hell, No To EU Proposal To Outlaw Encryption | Techdirt
[13:53]	Schestowitz-3	sp1n: doktor ^^
[13:53]	Schestowitz-3	might be of interest to you
[13:54]	TR News	EndeavourOS Artemis is the First ISO with ARM Installation Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166578
[13:54]	TR Bot	 EndeavourOS Artemis is the First ISO with ARM Installation Support | Tux Machines
[13:54]	sp1n	Schestowitz-3: thanks, not really
[13:54]	TR News	"trademark application submitted by Ohio State University for using the word the" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/facepalm-uspto-grants-ohio-state-university-trademark-on-the-word-the/ | Source: Techdirt
[13:54]	TR Bot	USPTO Grants Ohio State University Trademark On The Word The | Techdirt
[13:55]	MinceR	lol
[13:55]	sp1n	meanwhile, bundled libtls-bearssl and bearssl; and linked catgirl irc client against those
[13:55]	sp1n	i noticed however, of cause, statically linked binaries cannot override with LD_PRELOAD to hook into proxychains
[13:55]	MinceR	duh
[13:56]	sp1n	so, i keep that dynamically linked
[13:56]	sp1n	surprisingly, libtls-bearssl transition went smoot
[13:56]	sp1n	smooth
[13:56]	TR News	We urge all EPO workers based in Munich to attend tomorrow's protest; its not a waste of time, it sends a strong and effective message http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-munich-protest-2022/
[13:56]	sp1n	and both catgirl irc client and pounce bounce support it :)
[13:56]	TR Bot	 EPO Protest Tomorrow in Munich | Techrights
[13:58]	sp1n	just for fun, i'll do something else next... trying to re-integrate qudos quake2 client with softsdl renderer, which is c-only and i can play quake2 then
[13:58]	sp1n	prboom-plus is back already, only needed to carefully pick some libsdl1 and prboom version, and it's c-only up-to-date
[13:59]	sp1n	darkplaces, is another one, already fiddled into sse2neon intrinsics while ago, for software-rendering of this
[13:59]	sp1n	anyway, ssl sucks
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[14:00]	sp1n	long-term, i'll try to follow along with bearssl and libtls-bearssl _only_, and no more libressl or gnutls
[14:00]	sp1n	with the recent updated breaking pinned certificate matching... that's a no-go, and i am not willing to review and repair this
[14:01]	sp1n	i mean, pinned certificate matching must not have broken anywhere
[14:01]	sp1n	that's such a type of crap, surprisingly libressl was involved, although i am not sure who/what was at fault this time
[14:11]	sp1n	another one i found... since i want to statically compile/link my distro, this will prevent LD_PRELOAD and proxychains/torsocks
[14:11]	sp1n	however, this one should do the trick: https://darkk.net.ru/redsocks/
[14:11]	TR Bot	 redsocks - transparent socks redirector
[14:11]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, CVS says people are panicking and stocking up on Plan B pills now.
[14:12]	DaemonFC	So they're limiting them to 3 per customer to slow them down.
[14:20]	matey	/me ignores another german spambot
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[14:21]	matey	if you change your handle every day, and its not for privacy, you just want to get around individuals filtering you, youre a spambot imo
[14:21]	matey	/me filters them anwyay
[14:22]	sp1n	matey: any idea, what changed inside libretls which broke pinned ssl certificate matching?
[14:22]	TR News	KDE Releases Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 for Linux Phones, Heres Whats New Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166579
[14:22]	TR Bot	 KDE Releases Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 for Linux Phones, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines
[14:22]	TR News	HandBrake: Free Tool for Converting Videos from Any Format Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166580
[14:22]	TR Bot	 HandBrake: Free Tool for Converting Videos from Any Format | Tux Machines
[14:23]	TR News	KDE Plasma 5.25.2 Released to Improve Flatpak Support, Present Windows Effect Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166581
[14:23]	TR Bot	 KDE Plasma 5.25.2 Released to Improve Flatpak Support, Present Windows Effect | Tux Machines
[14:23]	TR News	How to troubleshoot SELinux policy violations | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/diagnose-selinux-violations Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux
[14:23]	TR Bot	 How to troubleshoot SELinux policy violations | Enable Sysadmin
[14:25]	TR News	Buzzword slingers https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/what-defines-high-performing-it-team-cios-speak
[14:25]	TR Bot	 What defines a high-performing IT team? 5 CIOs speak out | The Enterprisers Project
[14:25]	TR News	Clown computing nonsense or the false dichotomy of outsourcing https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/6/moving-cloud-workloads
[14:25]	TR Bot	 Moving cloud workloads: 4 essential strategies | The Enterprisers Project
[14:26]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, My landlord laughed and said that when they were setting up their account on those websites years back, it was 102 that was open.
[14:26]	DaemonFC	So now whenever they have units here, it lists them as 102 on the site.
[14:26]	Schestowitz-3	phew
[14:27]	DaemonFC	He said he does have two units in the building open, but they're 202 and one over on the other side of the building.
[14:27]	TR News	Cross-site scripting: Explanation and prevention with Go | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/06/28/cross-site-scripting-explanation-and-prevention-go The problem is the Web itself and what it is allowing to do
[14:27]	TR Bot	 Cross-site scripting: Explanation and prevention with Go | Red Hat Developer
[14:28]	TR News	Facebook censors posts about#HowTo get abortion pills. Allows posts about illegally transferring guns and marijuana. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/28/facebook-censors-posts-about-how-to-get-abortion-pills-allows-posts-about-illegally-transferring-guns-and-marijuana/ Source: baronhk
[14:28]	TR Bot	 Facebook censors posts about how to get abortion pills. Allows posts about illegally transferring guns and marijuana. BaronHK's Rants
[14:29]	TR News	Outreachy Interns introduction May to August 2022 https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-interns-introduction-may-2022/ Source: fedoraproject
[14:29]	TR Bot	 Outreachy Interns introduction May to August 2022 Fedora Community Blog
[14:32]	Schestowitz-3	XRevan86: is that connected to thee photos?
[14:33]	Schestowitz-3	*these
[14:33]	Schestowitz-3	Volodymyr Zelenskyy said there were more than 1,000 people inside the shopping center at the time of the attack." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/27/scores-feared-dead-and-wounded-russian-missiles-hit-ukraine-shopping-center
[14:33]	TR Bot	 Scores Feared Dead and Wounded as Russian Missiles Hit Ukraine Shopping Center
[14:34]	TR News	Fedora Family / RedHat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166582
[14:34]	TR Bot	 Fedora Family / RedHat Leftovers | Tux Machines
[14:35]	SomeH4x0r	there are two bans on the channel, for PyLink
[14:35]	SomeH4x0r	are they still relevant?
[14:37]	DaemonFC	https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/27/1103479722/as-states-ban-abortion-californians-open-their-arms-and-wallets
[14:37]	TR Bot	 Californian volunteer networks get ready for influx of patients seeking abortion : Shots - Health News : NPR
[14:37]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, People have to be careful about talking about abortion on Facebook now.
[14:37]	DaemonFC	Californian Lee Mitchell posted a message on Facebook, written in code:
[14:37]	DaemonFC	"If you are a person who suddenly finds yourself with a need to go camping in another state friendly towards camping, just know that I will happily drive you, support you, and not talk about the camping trip to anyone ever."
[14:37]	Schestowitz-3	SomeH4x0r: they are in 2 other channels now
[14:38]	Schestowitz-3	you can join #spam and #qemu
[14:38]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, It should not be dangerous to talk about abortion.
[14:39]	DaemonFC	Facebook lets Nazi groups do whatever they hell they want and places your account on a 3 day suspension for saying you can get an abortion over in Illinois.
[14:40]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, Are people ever going to see Fakebook and Shitter for what they really are?
[14:40]	DaemonFC	What does it take?
[14:40]	TR News	SCOTUS https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/06/27/looming-us-supreme-court-climate-decision-could-doom-hope-livable-future | Source: Common Dreams
[14:40]	TR Bot	 Looming US Supreme Court Climate Decision Could 'Doom' Hope for Livable Future
[14:40]	MinceR	extinction
[14:40]	DaemonFC	Matthew J Gulag is on Shitter.
[14:40]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: yes, BUT
[14:40]	Schestowitz-3	it got worse
[14:40]	Schestowitz-3	you say it like,
[14:41]	sp1n	aren't there condoms available for sale in USA everywhere?
[14:41]	Schestowitz-3	people "woke up"
[14:41]	Schestowitz-3	it actually got worse
[14:41]	DaemonFC	It's a good thing that mjg59_ is on Twitter instead of somewhere where it would be easier for people to walk in and accidentally read his posts.
[14:41]	DaemonFC	They push people to get an account and hide your conversations from them if they don't, and it's not worth getting an account to read people like him.
[14:41]	DaemonFC	<sp1n> aren't there condoms available for sale in USA everywhere?
[14:42]	sp1n	this entire discussion, was mostly obsolete, if the feminist gaga gang promoted condoms instead of abortions
[14:42]	MinceR	i thought condoms were heresy?
[14:42]	DaemonFC	You can buy condoms if you have money for condoms, yeah.
[14:42]	MinceR	every sperm being sacred and all
[14:42]	DaemonFC	Condoms are hardly perfect.
[14:43]	sp1n	sure, yet abortions were perfect or what?
[14:43]	MinceR	still better than christian fundamentalists
[14:43]	DaemonFC	They break, they slip. They're not perfect. They just work "most of the time". The reason women are hoarding Plan B is so they can take it every time they have sex now, even if the man uses a condom.
[14:43]	TR News	SpellBinding: EWORSUH [Wordo: BOTHY] gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-06-28.gmi
[14:43]	DaemonFC	And, I mean, who can blame them?
[14:43]	DaemonFC	I don't see Dobbs resulting in more pregnancies.
[14:43]	Schestowitz-3	not just condoms
[14:44]	DaemonFC	I see it resulting in women being even more averse to having sex with men now, if they live in a state where getting an abortion will be difficult.
[14:44]	Schestowitz-3	there are risk factors other than rapes, incest, and young age
[14:44]	Schestowitz-3	there is also old age
[14:44]	Schestowitz-3	or hereditary issues, embryos with defects you can spot within months, not weeks
[14:44]	DaemonFC	I've already seen a lot of women saying they won't have sex with men now until this thing is reversed again.
[14:45]	DaemonFC	I wouldn't have sex with men if I was a woman living in Texas.
[14:45]	DaemonFC	It's too dangerous now.
[14:45]	Schestowitz-3	it's worse than you put it
[14:45]	Schestowitz-3	it impacts married couples too
[14:45]	DaemonFC	If you accidentally get pregnant and don't have a reliable car to get to Illinois with, can't do anything about it.
[14:45]	Schestowitz-3	sex-starved men will resort to rape
[14:45]	sp1n	Schestowitz-3: for this exceptions exist, if birth of a child would harm health of mother and/or child then abortions are possible
[14:45]	DaemonFC	Yes, it will make the Incel problem even worse, Schestowitz-3 
[14:45]	Schestowitz-3	you let the US taliban turn the US into Afghanistan
[14:46]	DaemonFC	I didn't let them do anything.
[14:46]	DaemonFC	It's not like anyone asked me who should be on the Supreme Court.
[14:46]	MinceR	28 154549 < sp1n> Schestowitz-3: for this exceptions exist, if birth of a child would harm health of mother and/or child then abortions are possible
[14:46]	Schestowitz-3	sp1n: maybe for now
[14:46]	MinceR	depends on the jurisdiction
[14:46]	Schestowitz-3	it's a first step
[14:46]	Schestowitz-3	then 2 months before one
[14:46]	Schestowitz-3	and then 0
[14:46]	Schestowitz-3	with no exxceptions
[14:46]	MinceR	and yeah, the bible-humpers are working hard to eliminate such exceptions
[14:46]	Schestowitz-3	and abortion clinicss get banned
[14:46]	MinceR	because every sperm is sacred
[14:47]	MinceR	welcome to the New Dark Ages
[14:47]	DaemonFC	Pretty soon a trip to Illinois is off the table.
[14:47]	Schestowitz-3	(mincer looks for monty python vieo)0
[14:47]	sp1n	this isn't what sceptics argue MinceR 
[14:47]	DaemonFC	Then you have to be able to afford a trip to Canada.
[14:47]	MinceR	no need to look for it, i have it bookmarked
[14:47]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ
[14:47]	TR Bot	https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ
[14:47]	Schestowitz-3	you ghve them an inch, they take a mile
[14:47]	TR Bot	timed out after 10000 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ )
[14:47]	sp1n	advertising for abortions is illegal still, in germany at least
[14:48]	MinceR	sp1n: "sceptics" is not a homogenous bloc
[14:48]	DaemonFC	It's not illegal to advertise abortions in Illinois.
[14:48]	Schestowitz-3	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ
[14:48]	TR Bot	 Every Sperm is Sacred - Complete - Invidious
[14:48]	sp1n	and women must consult an authorized psychologist/medic before abortion
[14:48]	DaemonFC	You don't have to consult anyone in Illinois before an abortion.
[14:48]	DaemonFC	You walk in and get one the same afternoon.
[14:48]	sp1n	often, those medics women consult, are authorized by the church even
[14:49]	TR News	"smart" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/odd-inputs-and-peculiar-peripherals-roendi-smart-knob-thinks-outside-the-box/ | Source: Hackaday
[14:49]	TR Bot	Inputs And Peculiar Peripherals: RoenDi Smart Knob Thinks Outside The Box | Hackaday
[14:49]	MinceR	yay
[14:49]	sp1n	and the majority of abortions are conducted, within the legal and organizational framework of this mandatory consultation
[14:49]	MinceR	oversight of the medical profession by an anti-science cult
[14:49]	DaemonFC	The states are basically turning into different countries, de facto, due to the Supreme Court.
[14:49]	MinceR	that's so important to have.
[14:49]	DaemonFC	The last time this happened, the Civil War eventually broke out.
[14:50]	DaemonFC	Because major differences make people hate each other more.
[14:50]	sp1n	what is illegal still: advertising abortions; with some red lines not to be crossed
[14:50]	MinceR	i'm guessing you have the Christian Fundamentalist Union to thank for such rules in germany
[14:51]	sp1n	i do not trust the christian conservatives in germany
[14:51]	DaemonFC	The Supreme Court should just go ahead and declare the US Constitution unconstitutional.
[14:51]	Schestowitz-3	germany: wolfenstein illegal; drone strikes legal
[14:51]	DaemonFC	They can revive the Articles of Confederation.
[14:51]	matey	sex-starved men will resort to rape <- i wish roy knew anything about things like this
[14:51]	matey	rape isnt typically about sex, its about violence
[14:51]	matey	nothing to do with "sex starved men"
[14:51]	MinceR	i do not trust any "conservatives"
[14:51]	DaemonFC	It's about power.
[14:52]	Schestowitz-3	you would be wrong
[14:52]	DaemonFC	I don't know why you'd rape someone if you just wanted sex.
[14:52]	matey	you would be wrong <- read a book and come back to it
[14:52]	Schestowitz-3	you speak of "violent rape"
[14:52]	MinceR	i have yet to hear any of them excommunicate fideath or PiS for turning republics into dictatorships
[14:52]	DaemonFC	There's always someone to have sex with, even if it's off some sketchy app, or if you resort to paying money for it.
[14:52]	matey	before you look more stupid
[14:52]	MinceR	"conservatism" is cancer
[14:52]	Schestowitz-3	like "man snags women into the bushes"
[14:52]	Schestowitz-3	not the date rape
[14:52]	Schestowitz-3	or relationship without consent rape
[14:53]	matey	sex starved men isnt the primary factor in rape
[14:53]	matey	at all
[14:53]	DaemonFC	I've never raped anyone. I have used hookup apps, websites, chatrooms as they were not intended (Yahoo).
[14:54]	DaemonFC	It's not exactly "wrong" to not want to be in a relationship to have meaningless sex, that's just a fact of living in modern society.
[14:54]	DaemonFC	Life is too complicated sometimes to want to stop and deal with someone else's baggage.
[14:55]	DaemonFC	To be married to someone, your interests have to be aligned in a certain way.
[14:56]	DaemonFC	And many people who get married even, find out it was a huge mistake and it will end up costing them dearly in divorce court later.
[14:56]	MinceR	except in the case of arranged marriages
[14:56]	MinceR	in which case your interests are ignored
[14:56]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: not applicable to gay couples, but..
[14:56]	DaemonFC	Well, I mean in a "free" country.
[14:56]	DaemonFC	<Schestowitz-3> DaemonFC: not applicable to gay couples, but..
[14:56]	DaemonFC	What isn't?
[14:56]	Schestowitz-3	without abortion in the state, such "apps" and forums would repel women
[14:56]	Schestowitz-3	and maybe men too
[14:56]	MinceR	there are different degrees of "free"
[14:56]	matey	Widespread and systematic rape (e.g., war rape) and sexual slavery can occur during international conflict. These practices are crimes against humanity and war crimes. Rape is also recognized as an element of the crime of genocide  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
[14:56]	TR Bot	 Rape - Wikipedia
[14:57]	DaemonFC	<Schestowitz-3> without abortion in the state, such "apps" and forums would repel women
[14:57]		*psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights
[14:57]	Schestowitz-3	men also don't wan to be forced to be parents with a stranger
[14:57]	DaemonFC	Yeah, as well it should.
[14:57]		*psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights
[14:57]	matey	even the (appearance of) prohibition of gay sex in the bible is actually about conquest rape.
[14:57]	DaemonFC	Clinics are now seeing the phones ringing off the hooks with people wanting vasectomies and tubal ligations, Schestowitz-3 
[14:57]	DaemonFC	They said they've never seen anything like it before.
[14:57]	matey	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape#Motives
[14:57]	TR Bot	 Rape - Wikipedia
[14:57]	DaemonFC	Even in states that have abortion as a right in the law.
[14:58]	matey	    beliefs in family honor and sexual purity;
[14:58]	matey	    attitudes of male sexual entitlement;
[14:58]	matey	    weak legal sanctions for sexual violence.
[14:58]	MinceR	28 155719 < matey> even the (appearance of) prohibition of gay sex in the bible is actually about conquest rape.
[14:58]	MinceR	you'd think a writing written or inspired by an omniscient being could be clear about such things
[14:58]	DaemonFC	People have responded to the Dobbs ruling with a full blown panic.
[14:58]	DaemonFC	Even in states where they aren't in any immediate danger.
[14:58]	matey	 <MinceR> 28 155719 < matey> even the (appearance of) prohibition of gay sex in the bible is actually about conquest rape. <- that one is a bit esoteric and hard to prove
[14:58]	MinceR	i guess bronze-age savages can't even invent a god worth anything.
[14:58]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: US is gonna lose a lot ogf "balls"
[14:58]	matey	well to be fair, the god of abraham wasnt THAT original
[14:58]	Schestowitz-3	2022: the year USA lost its balls... or tubes
[14:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
[14:59]	matey	2022: the year USA lost its balls <- god youre an idiot
[14:59]	matey	No single facet explains the motivation for rape; the underlying motives of rapists can be multi-faceted. Several factors have been proposed: anger,[48] power,[49] sadism, sexual gratification, or evolutionary proclivities.[50][51] However, some factors have significant causal evidence supporting them.
[14:59]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, Well, the thinking is that if the abortion ruling is going to stick, the state can't force you to carry a pregnancy if you can't get pregnant at all, ever.
[14:59]	matey	American clinical psychologist David Lisak, co-author of a 2002 study of undetected rapists,[52] says that compared with non-rapists, both undetected and convicted rapists are measurably more angry at women and more motivated by a desire to dominate and control them
[14:59]	DaemonFC	So that's what people are doing now.
[14:59]	matey	its not about sex starved men.
● Jun 28
[15:00]	matey	its more to do with abuse.
[15:00]	DaemonFC	A vasectomy doesn't remove your testicles.
[15:00]	Schestowitz-3	a lot of rape happens within relationship
[15:00]	XRevan86	Schestowitz-Tr3: Yes, that's exactly what this is about.
[15:00]	Schestowitz-3	like one partner does not want it
[15:01]	sp1n	Schestowitz-3: good point
[15:01]	matey	again, all youre doing is proving what a moron you are.
[15:01]	Schestowitz-3	Despatche: I know
[15:01]	Schestowitz-3	that's why I said tubes
[15:01]	matey	please, continue.
[15:01]	XRevan86	Schestowitz-Tr3: The current estimation is 18 people killed.
[15:01]	DaemonFC	I messed around with someone who had a vasectomy. You can't really tell that there's any difference. Sneak: 100
[15:02]	sp1n	most violence and abuse occurs within relationships... David Lisak
[15:02]	DaemonFC	He said he was bisexual and he didn't want any bastard kids running around and women dragging him into court demanding payments.
[15:02]	sp1n	i mean, what an expert he is, anger at women sufficed
[15:03]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, If I was straight, I'd get a vasectomy. In fact, it would have been done when I was 18.
[15:04]	DaemonFC	The peace of mind of knowing you won't have any mistakes that drag you even deeper into poverty is totally worth it.
[15:04]	Schestowitz-3	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VjUhBEqwVhA
[15:04]	TR Bot	 HOME IMPROVEMENT Tim gets a vasectomy - Invidious
[15:05]	Schestowitz-3	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8CluEqKSyKc
[15:05]	TR Bot	 HOME IMPROVEMENT Jill wants Tim to get a vasectomy - Invidious
[15:05]	Schestowitz-3	full ep: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=vA3UPBAprh8
[15:05]	TR Bot	 Home Improvement S05E16 The Vasectomy One - Invidious
[15:05]	matey	the office one was better
[15:06]	matey	i wanted to say al bundy but i think that was a circumcision.
[15:06]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, The federal poverty line is already a complete misrepresentation.
[15:06]	DaemonFC	You need twice as much money for any given household size to not be in poverty.
[15:06]	DaemonFC	They just set it low to make it look like less people are poor.
[15:07]	DaemonFC	The government barely uses it.
[15:07]	DaemonFC	They always say 200% of the FPL or 300% or 500%.
[15:07]	DaemonFC	For the programs for low income people.
[15:07]	DaemonFC	That's kind of a tell that it's not real.
[15:08]	DaemonFC	When all the programs admit you need two, three, or five times that much to actually eek out some sort of existence.
[15:08]	TR News	Science-based medicine (SBM) https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/06/27/sbm-isnt-so-great-when-you-cant-afford-it/ | Source: Orac
[15:08]	TR Bot	 SBM isn't so great when you can't afford it - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE
[15:09]	TR News	Whistleblowers https://thedissenter.org/supreme-court-may-take/ | Source: The Dissenter
[15:09]	TR Bot	 US Supreme Court Could Go After Whistleblower Law
[15:10]	matey	there was a show where a female partner had the guy have a vasectomy
[15:10]	Schestowitz-3	Jill and Tim
[15:10]	matey	i want to say it was mad about you, but i keep thinking of jan and michael on the office
[15:10]	Schestowitz-3	Home Improvement
[15:10]	DaemonFC	It is a lot cheaper and less dangerous to get a vasectomy.
[15:10]	matey	was it actually?
[15:11]	DaemonFC	You can get a vasectomy for a little over $1,000 I think.
[15:11]	DaemonFC	It's outpatient. Even if your insurance won't cover it, that's a good investment.
[15:11]	matey	youve been wrong about everything else today, you deserve to be right about this one.
[15:11]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: DIY "vasectomy kits"
[15:11]	Schestowitz-3	from GAFAM
[15:12]	Schestowitz-3	Amazon: buyer also likes...
[15:12]	matey	jill and tim had a very mad-about-you-like dynamic
[15:12]	matey	the guy was a loveable dope and the woman actually gave a shit, but with long suffering and a bit of sarcasm
[15:13]	matey	not to the point of man-hating or anything
[15:13]	Schestowitz-3	the Neighbou Wilson
[15:13]	Schestowitz-3	was the wise one
[15:13]	Schestowitz-3	man-bashing is SImpsons
[15:13]	matey	pauls neighbour on mad about you was actually kramer from seinfeld
[15:14]	matey	 man-bashing is SImpsons <- marge loved homer, homer was a really shit husband and father
[15:14]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, I'll tell you how hard it is for women to get by. When Gonad the Barbarian's daughter started having kids at age 15, first she stuck him with one. Then by the time she was 20, she had managed to pop out two more. She alternated between jail and the welfare office, and mostly just took up space. Eventually, Gonad told her to get a tubal ligation and he'd pay for it because he was terrified she'd have more and they'd be 
[15:14]	DaemonFC	his problem. So he took her to an OB-GYN, who told her that he wouldn't give her one until she was 21 because she might decide she wanted more, so he was biting his fingernails until she turned 21 that there wouldn't be more, and then she got a tubal ligation from that doctor. When men want something, it happens the same day, no questions asked.
[15:14]	matey	lisa loved him too
[15:14]	matey	simpsons wasnt a man-bashing show
[15:14]	matey	homer was just an idiot
[15:15]	matey	it was pretty clear too that it was about him, not men in general
[15:15]	DaemonFC	She didn't want the three she'd already had, she was just too much of a stupid piece of trash to tell men no, make them wear a condom, or go get some pills.
[15:15]	DaemonFC	So out they kept coming all the way up to Gonad dragging her by the ear to get sterilized.
[15:17]	Schestowitz-3	matey: bart too was portrayed as dumb and oirresponsible
[15:17]	matey	bart had no decent father figure in his life
[15:17]	DaemonFC	The part of the story that bothered me, and always has, is there's lots of doctors that refuse to perform tubal ligations and tell women they'll change their mind later "when the right man comes around", but a guy walks in there and asks for the same thing basically, and the doctor tells them "Okay, get on the table and pull your pants down.".
[15:17]	matey	if it had been a man-bashing show, marge would have taken bart and raised him properly without homer
[15:17]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: the problem started with gonad having kids
[15:18]	Schestowitz-3	he too had far too many
[15:18]	Schestowitz-3	and abused wives
[15:18]	matey	theres a difference between portraying a dysfunctional family and man-bashing
[15:18]	Schestowitz-3	Was his real name Steve?
[15:18]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, He had, I think, 9 grandchildren and two great-grandchildren when he died, and he was only 59!
[15:18]	DaemonFC	Gonad = Brian
[15:18]	DaemonFC	Life of Brian
[15:18]	matey	bart wasnt portrayed as dumb 
[15:18]	matey	he was an underachiever in school, mostly due to acting out
[15:19]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, Trash from Ireland by way of a couple hundred years in Kentucky followed by a detour to Indiana.
[15:19]	Schestowitz-3	bart's voice was a lady
[15:19]	DaemonFC	What else can you expect? He was drunk, fucking the wives, abusing the wives.
[15:19]	DaemonFC	Irish Irish Irish
[15:19]	DaemonFC	:P
[15:20]	matey	nelson the school bully was portrayed as dumb
[15:20]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: you can be a great-grandpa at 45
[15:20]	matey	bart's voice was a lady <- so was rocky squirrels
[15:20]	Schestowitz-3	without even stretching it as far as possible
[15:20]	matey	when youre portraying a 7 or 8 year old boy, female voice actors arent uncommon
[15:20]	DaemonFC	I don't know what the hell it is with the Irish, but even two hundred years later in some other country, they're still drunk and having dumb kids and getting into brawls.
[15:20]	Schestowitz-3	maybe 37 is as far  as you gcan push it
[15:21]	matey	i swear youre just throwing out random things to see if any support your point
[15:21]	DaemonFC	<Schestowitz-3> maybe 37 is as far  as you gcan push it
[15:21]	DaemonFC	You know, you never stop and think about how you're getting older, but they aren't.
[15:22]	DaemonFC	Until it stops.
[15:22]	DaemonFC	If I was straight, the "dirty old man" thing would just be a given. Old men ogling or messing around with 18, 20, 25 year olds is just expected.
[15:22]	Schestowitz-3	matey: casting and voice can be done by kids
[15:22]	Schestowitz-3	they just need to read things
[15:23]	DaemonFC	But when you're gay people look down on you twice for doing the same thing.
[15:23]	DaemonFC	Literally the same exact thing.
[15:23]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: it's legalised fully
[15:23]	Schestowitz-3	it's called prostitution
[15:23]	Schestowitz-3	and any random 80 year old get book an 18 yo afaik
[15:23]	Schestowitz-3	and some do
[15:23]	matey	barts guilt was actually voiced by patton oswalt
[15:24]	DaemonFC	Oh I didn't have to pay anyone.
[15:24]	Schestowitz-3	lots of links (news) today about abortion
[15:24]	Schestowitz-3	I post that in -social
[15:24]	DaemonFC	But when they started saying things like "I really like older men." or "Wow, love the dad bod." it started making me uneasy. I was like "Yeah, can we not go there?".
[15:24]	Schestowitz-3	seems like ther ukraine war will escalte further
[15:24]	matey	whats interesting about patton oswalt being the only person to voice bart besides nancy cartwright
[15:24]	Schestowitz-3	not end
[15:25]	matey	is that cartwright is a scientologist, and the best known role for oswalt was on king of queens opposite lea h remini (a scientologist)
[15:25]	matey	i dont know if HE is one also, but that would at least explain the connection
[15:25]	matey	other than that, its probably a coincidence
[15:25]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, Facebook censors it heavily now.
[15:25]	DaemonFC	It's not illegal to talk about abortion.
[15:25]	DaemonFC	It's not illegal to say it's still legal some places.
[15:26]	DaemonFC	But they censor it all and mass ban people for saying that.
[15:26]	matey	lots of links (news) today about abortion <- not too surprising
[15:26]	matey	theres probably even a couple about ukraine
[15:26]	MinceR	if people had a clue, they wouldn't be using dumbFuckBook
[15:26]	matey	 if people had a clue, they wouldn't be using dumbFuckBook <- i agree 99%
[15:27]	matey	fb isnt pointless, its just so fuck awful that they should treat it like the dumpster fire it really is
[15:27]	matey	also fb helped trump get in afaik
[15:27]	matey	which helped the scotus people get in
[15:27]	matey	which helped overturn roe v wade
[15:27]	matey	so be sure to thank mark zuckerberg for sending more women to back alley butchers
[15:27]	matey	the predictable outcome of this
[15:28]	MinceR	yup
[15:28]	matey	maybe in a few decades someone will say "my mother died when i was 3" and they wont know they can thank mark zuckerberg for it
[15:28]	MinceR	maybe in a few decades humanity will be extinct
[15:28]	MinceR	here's hoping
[15:29]	matey	im hoping that mark zuckerberg goes out like michael hutchence
[15:29]	matey	though michael hutchence i never disliked 
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[15:30]	TR News	"Marsys Law" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/victims-rights-laws-abused-again-to-hide-identities-of-officers-who-killed-someone/ | Source: Techdirt
[15:30]	TR Bot	Rights Laws Abused Again To Hide Identities Of Officers Who Killed Someone | Techdirt
[15:30]	matey	sadly i cant listen to "new sensation" with a straight face now.
[15:30]	TR News	The copyright cartel https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/copyright-has-failed-for-game-streaming-so-alternatives-have-emerged/ | Source: Techdirt
[15:30]	TR Bot	Has Failed For Game Streaming, So Alternatives Have Emerged | Techdirt
[15:30]	matey	though he had it worse
[15:30]	DaemonFC	https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/691960628369424394/991349911700389988/Screenshot_2022-06-28_at_09-30-00_WGN_TV_Facebook.png?width=524&height=626
[15:31]	DaemonFC	MinceR, ^ One of mine.
[15:31]	matey	"one of my kind" still works and "devil inside" just sounds prophetic
[15:31]	MinceR	lol
[15:32]	matey	sort of like "lithium" for kurt cobain
[15:36]	XRevan86	Schestowitz-3: "seems like ther ukraine war will escalte further" <- Correct.
[15:38]	DaemonFC	They're dropping in Russian prisoners and conscripts that have had 3 days training.
[15:38]	DaemonFC	It takes more firearms training to get an Illinois gun permit than those Russian soldiers have been through.
[15:38]	DaemonFC	Putin's not sending their best.
[15:39]	sp1n	in former Yugoslavia former prisoners were released onto battlefield too
[15:39]	MinceR	maybe those are their best
[15:39]	sp1n	for "dirty work", had seen a documentary about it
[15:39]	matey	i was always partial to "one of my kind" really
[15:39]	DaemonFC	<MinceR> maybe those are their best
[15:39]	matey	new sensation is too poppy (and now ironic)
[15:39]	matey	devil inside is great though
[15:39]	XRevan86	MinceR: No, the point is that there training is barely there for the reservists.
[15:39]	DaemonFC	The fact that Putin resorts to terrorist attacks against shopping malls says everything.
[15:40]	DaemonFC	He's really pissed off about the way things are going.
[15:40]	MinceR	he already resorted to nuclear terrorism
[15:40]	matey	lithium of course, was a song cobain allegedly wrote about how he was dating a complete psycho at the time and how killing himself would be better than living on the same planet as her
[15:40]	matey	but you know how it goes with lyric interpretations
[15:41]	matey	someday maybe we can compile a whole album of songs by people who dated courtney love and killed themselves after
[15:41]	MinceR	his goons messed around near chornobyl, causing a spike in nuclear radiation, then set a building on fire in the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant
[15:41]	matey	steve coogan survived!
[15:41]	XRevan86	I wouldn't say with confidence that the mall was the target, it's entirely possible it wasn't. But my mindset is that they know these things happen, and they're willing to take that risk.
[15:41]	MinceR	they don't care
[15:41]	MinceR	they're barbarians
[15:42]	MinceR	and they should be stopped
[15:42]	matey	/me thinks they were aiming directly for their own credibility
[15:42]	XRevan86	matey: Can't destroy was has already been destroyed months in advance.
[15:42]	matey	of which they had none, but you know how sophisticated weapons are these days
[15:43]	matey	Can't destroy was has already been destroyed <- maybe their weapons systems found a remaining shred and took it out
[15:43]	XRevan86	Ah, I misunderstood.
[15:43]	MinceR	not the orcish weapons in actual use, though
[15:43]	matey	lucky shot?
[15:43]	XRevan86	matey: The accuracy is infamous at this point actually.
[15:43]	MinceR	the advanced ones they like to brag about exist maybe in a few copies they can take to exhibitions
[15:44]	XRevan86	They miss a lot.
[15:44]	matey	IF i were a conspiracy theorist
[15:44]	matey	but more about that in a moment...
[15:44]	matey	i would say they didnt mean to hit near there, and someone else either made it look like they did to start further engagement in...
[15:44]	matey	but
[15:44]	matey	thats exactly the sort of thing their own government would say
[15:45]	matey	and im hardly going to sympathise with that kind of crap
[15:45]	matey	it DOES happen of course
[15:45]	matey	like when russia themselves did that to get into ukraine in the first place
[15:45]	matey	or germany with the reichstag
[15:45]	matey	america with pearl harbor (very possibly)
[15:45]	matey	etc etc etc
[15:45]	XRevan86	matey: It's O.K. to not have answers for some things.
[15:45]	matey	oh yeah
[15:45]	matey	but its also fun to guess
[15:46]	sp1n	ironically, ukraine and zelensky lost my sympathy because of the allies they got here in german politics
[15:46]	matey	besides, these sorts of things encourage guessing
[15:46]	XRevan86	sp1n: Hi activelow.
[15:46]	sp1n	because, i do not know ukraine internal politics, i do know who those allies are, of zlensky
[15:46]	sp1n	greetings XRevan86 !
[15:46]	XRevan86	Is it a new nickname every day?
[15:47]	matey	more than one per day :/
[15:47]	sp1n	whenever i restart the irc client
[15:47]	MinceR	wow, ukraine and zelensky doesn't have a ruscist's sympathy?
[15:47]	matey	i think hes figured out that the only people who cared about his work here have given up 
[15:47]	MinceR	https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/431/201/40f.png
[15:47]	matey	and maybe if he gives himself 11 more chances to make his argument he will win them back
[15:47]	MinceR	what's next, jews and poles not having hitler's sympathy?
[15:47]	XRevan86	sp1n: And the AfD folk don't bother you then?
[15:48]	MinceR	he's a ruscist, he's on the same platform as afd
[15:48]	sp1n	XRevan86: i watched various party convents recently, and the AfD one was the least annoying
[15:48]	matey	i keep ignoring him
[15:48]	matey	but if i see him come in under a different name i just mock him
[15:48]	matey	mocking nazis isnt something i get many chances to do
[15:48]	MinceR	:>
[15:48]	matey	i havent met many
[15:49]	XRevan86	sp1n: Looks very differently from over here.
[15:49]	matey	we did have a cross burned on our yard once, but i think it was just a couple of drunk arseholes
[15:49]	matey	i dont think they even know which house it was
[15:50]	MinceR	lol
[15:50]	MinceR	what does cross burning even mean?
[15:50]	matey	youd think it would be terrifying, but here are a couple of dicks who can barely manage to put a couple of 2x4s on the ground, and barely manage to set it on fire
[15:50]	matey	i mean
[15:50]	matey	a 5 year old white supremacist who was at least sober could have done better
[15:51]	TR News	NVIDIA 515.57 Released with Better NvFBC Direct Capture Support, Vulkan Fixes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166583
[15:51]	TR Bot	 NVIDIA 515.57 Released with Better NvFBC Direct Capture Support, Vulkan Fixes | Tux Machines
[15:53]	TR News	Fascists https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/27/hedges-fascists-in-our-midst/ | Source: Scheerpost
[15:53]	TR Bot	Fascists in Our Midst scheerpost.com
[15:54]	matey	what does cross burning even mean? <- it means they mixed up the book of exodus with matthew mark and luke
[15:54]	MinceR	lol
[15:57]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/othercheek.gif   ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-othercheek#comic )
[15:57]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
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[15:58]	TR News	"Czech file-sharing and hosting platform Ulo.to must block searches and downloads related to six movies" https://torrentfreak.com/supreme-court-file-sharing-platform-must-block-search-terms-to-stop-piracy-220627/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[15:58]	TR Bot	Court: File-Sharing Platform Must Block Search Terms to Stop Piracy * TorrentFreak
[15:58]	TR News	"former Megaupload executives Mathias Ortmannformer Megaupload executives Mathias Ortmann" https://torrentfreak.com/megaupload-pair-convicted-the-specific-crimes-they-admitted-in-detail-220627/ | Source: Torrent Freak
[15:58]	TR Bot	Pair Convicted: The Specific Crimes They Admitted in Detail * TorrentFreak
[15:58]	matey	so the alt-right did their redneck version of the boston tea party
[15:58]	matey	then more recently they went dressed up as the villiage people
[15:58]	matey	i think next they should be the rebel fleet from star wars
[15:59]	MinceR	:>
[15:59]	matey	esr can dress as chewbacca
[15:59]	matey	if he doesnt already 
● Jun 28
[16:00]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/investing/bed-bath--beyond-sales-decline/index.html
[16:00]	TR Bot	accuse Bed Bath & Beyond of turning off AC in stores to save money as sales plummet | CNN Business
[16:00]	DaemonFC	Walmart did this already.
[16:01]	DaemonFC	It's hotter than hell in there.
[16:02]	DaemonFC	"Still, analysts at Bank of America who have conducted store visits report mounting concerns, including labor hours that have been meaningfully cut, scaled back utilities, reduced store operating hours and canceled remodeling projects. Rewards programs have also been scaled back and replaced. The analysts expect Bed Bath & Beyond's management will soon announce more store closures and halt openings of its Buy Buy Baby stores."
[16:02]	DaemonFC	Buy Buy Baby? What a horrible store name. That's up there with the clothing store Once Upon a Child.
[16:02]	MinceR	:>
[16:03]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Many companies filing bankruptcy change their name.
[16:03]	DaemonFC	Bye Bye Buy Buy Baby?
[16:03]	MinceR	Goo Goo Goo Goo
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[16:04]	TR News	"At the risk of dating myself, I will tell you that grew up in the 80s that decade of excess that was half drab and half brightly colored" https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/teardown-kc-bearifone-could-talk-circles-around-teddy-ruxpin/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:04]	TR Bot	KC Bearifone Could Talk Circles Around Teddy Ruxpin | Hackaday
[16:04]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: that's a 90s song
[16:06]	TR News	Assange https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/27/the-media-celebrated-julian-assange-and-is-now-too-afraid-to-defend-him/ | Source: Counter Punch
[16:06]	TR Bot	Media Celebrated Julian Assange and is Now Too Afraid to Defend Him - CounterPunch.org
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[16:09]	TR News	"Raspberry Pi CM4-powered motherboard for the original iPad." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/hackaday-prize-2022-a-cm4-upgade-for-your-old-ipad/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:09]	TR Bot	Prize 2022: A CM4 Upgrade For Your Old IPad | Hackaday
[16:10]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s
[16:10]	TR Bot	 *NSYNC - Bye Bye Bye (Official Music Video) - Invidious
[16:10]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, I can see why there's a bad outlook on the baby stores.
[16:10]	DaemonFC	They're collapsing.
[16:10]	Schestowitz-3	Older: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Eo-KmOd3i7s
[16:10]	DaemonFC	Toys R Us went under years ago, and so did their Babies R Us stores.
[16:10]	MinceR	isn't that the same link?
[16:10]	Schestowitz-3	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zVxAj-Mis6o
[16:10]	TR Bot	 Bay City Rollers - Bye Bye Baby (1975) TopPop - Invidious
[16:10]	Schestowitz-3	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=C27NShgTQE4
[16:10]	TR Bot	 *NSYNC - Bye Bye Bye (Audio) - Invidious
[16:11]	DaemonFC	Few people have kids. Even fewer have money to buy them anything decent.
[16:11]	MinceR	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNWioCzV7GU
[16:11]	TR Bot	https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=xNWioCzV7GU
[16:11]	TR Bot	timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=xNWioCzV7GU )
[16:11]	MinceR	"decent" is not something humanity is interested in producing anyway
[16:11]	MinceR	"overpriced shit" is more up our species' alley
[16:11]	TR News	Impala Platinum mine https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/27/thousands-of-workers-on-strike-at-south-africas-impala-platinum-mines/ | Source: Scheerpost
[16:11]	TR Bot	of Workers on Strike at South Africas Impala Platinum Mines scheerpost.com
[16:11]	matey	it should cost 5 cents
[16:11]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, All you can do with your household budget is sit at home getting angrier every minute.
[16:11]	DaemonFC	The Democrats have done a bang up job.
[16:12]	DaemonFC	Roe v. Wade was struck down huh?
[16:12]	Schestowitz-3	did they stand a chance?
[16:12]	DaemonFC	*fundraising intensifies*
[16:13]	TR News	Biden https://scheerpost.com/2022/06/27/infuriating-biden-rebuked-for-continued-opposition-to-supreme-court-expansion/ | Source: Scheerpost
[16:13]	TR Bot	Biden Rebuked for Continued Opposition to Supreme Court Expansion scheerpost.com
[16:13]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: ^^
[16:13]	Schestowitz-3	focing more couples to have kids
[16:13]	Schestowitz-3	more kids, more debt
[16:13]	Schestowitz-3	more consumers
[16:13]	Schestowitz-3	more workers
[16:15]	TR News	Jesusland https://truthout.org/articles/supreme-court-protects-public-school-coachs-ability-to-lead-students-in-prayer/ | Source: TruthOut
[16:15]	TR Bot	 Supreme Court Protects Public School Coachs Ability to Lead Students in Prayer
[16:15]	Schestowitz-3	^^
[16:15]	Schestowitz-3	off topic here
[16:15]	Schestowitz-3	but we went totally offtopic today
[16:17]	TR News	"Its been a year of anniversaries, what with the 40th birthday of both the Commodore 64 and the Sinclair ZX Spectrum." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/atari-at-50-the-story-of-our-lives/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:17]	TR Bot	At 50: The Story Of Our Lives | Hackaday
[16:17]	TR News	"[mircemk] is quite a wizard when it comes to using coils of wires in projects, especially when their application is within easy-to-build metal detectors." https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/metal-detector-gets-help-from-smartphone/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:17]	TR Bot	Detector Gets Help From Smartphone | Hackaday
[16:18]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/subway-employee-fatally-shot-over-too-much-mayo-on-sandwich-police-say/
[16:18]	TR Bot	 Subway employee fatally shot over too much mayo on sandwich, police say | WGN-TV
[16:18]	DaemonFC	"AHHH SAID NO MAYO BIIIIIIIISCH!!!!!!"
[16:19]	DaemonFC	I want the focus to be the gun violence. And again, it was something very senseless, too much mayo on a sandwich. Yes, its a sandwich, but more importantly, someone who failed to resolve a conflict by just walking away, having a conversation to just reorder a sandwich, decided to take actions into his hands and now we have families who are devastated.
[16:19]	TR News	Linux on the wrist https://hackaday.com/2022/06/27/developing-a-custom-wearos-watch-face/ | Source: Hackaday
[16:19]	TR Bot	A Custom WearOS Watch Face | Hackaday
[16:19]	DaemonFC	No mayo, no mugshot.
[16:19]	DaemonFC	Hmmm.....
[16:21]	MinceR	i'm sure it was the gun's fault
[16:21]	MinceR	it apparently always is
[16:21]	Schestowitz-3	with a rifle he could gun down the whole shop
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[16:22]	DaemonFC	Coulter's Law
[16:22]	DaemonFC	The longer the media goes without posting a mugshot, the less likely it is that the suspect was white.
[16:22]	MinceR	they're perfectly sane, they just happened to have one of these evil mind control devices around that compelled them to shoot
[16:22]	Schestowitz-3	matey: the guns make killing faster and easier
[16:22]	XRevan86	https://nitter.net/TpyxaNews/status/1541749627283701760
[16:22]	TR Bot	 English (@TpyxaNews): "The moment of the explosion after the missile attack on the Amstor mall in Kremenchuk."|nitter
[16:22]	Schestowitz-3	with a knifer you have to be sick in the head to stab again and again
[16:23]	MinceR	Schestowitz-3: and not being insane fucktards prevents people for killing other people over such things
[16:23]	Schestowitz-3	and even if yoiu "had a bad day"
[16:23]	DaemonFC	You have to be sick in the head to shoot a woman with her 5 year old there about mayo on a sandwich, Roy.
[16:23]	Schestowitz-3	you might not find it easy to dig into the flesh of a begging person
[16:23]	MinceR	i'm pretty sure i could kill with a single stab, if the knife was big and pointy and sharp enough
[16:23]	DaemonFC	So he would have just stabbed her to death in front of the kid too, and you know it.
[16:24]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, I'm glad we do have laws. Do you know how many times the law is the only reason I haven't killed someone?
[16:24]	MinceR	but i guess nonfatal injuries from a single stab would be ok in Schestowitz-3's mind
[16:24]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: olther people could intervene
[16:24]	DaemonFC	Like what happens to me after I do this? Okay, I'm not THAT mad.
[16:24]	Schestowitz-3	after the first stab
[16:24]	MinceR	lol
[16:24]	Schestowitz-3	with a chair or table
[16:24]	MinceR	but it would be impossible to intervene with a gun, strangely enough
[16:24]	Schestowitz-3	hareder
[16:25]	Schestowitz-3	you pull it out, shoot, done
[16:25]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, Let's face it, there's very few people out there who haven't honestly wanted to kill someone.
[16:25]	Schestowitz-3	or even fire several bullets
[16:25]	DaemonFC	Who wouldn't be glad that someone died.
[16:25]	MinceR	while you just walk around with a table in your hand, in case someone needs to be hit
[16:25]	DaemonFC	And the law, and the consequences are the only reason they don't act on it.
[16:25]	MinceR	and there's nothing crazy about it
[16:25]	DaemonFC	Without the law, it would be more of a free for all out there than it already is.
[16:25]	MinceR	which is great, otherwise we'd have to ban tables.
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[16:25]	Schestowitz-3	matey: long knives are hard to conceal
[16:25]	MinceR	lol
[16:25]	Schestowitz-3	MinceR: I meant
[16:26]	DaemonFC	And who is to say nobody would have gotten me first?
[16:26]	DaemonFC	So I'm glad we have laws like that.
[16:26]	MinceR	so are assault rifles
[16:26]	MinceR	and non-assault rifles derived from assault rifle designs
[16:26]	Schestowitz-3	pistols are small
[16:26]	MinceR	small knives are smaller than pistols
[16:26]	Schestowitz-3	and not so effective
[16:26]	DaemonFC	No seriously, like I thought about shooting Gonad and then went "Nah, why bother? Cholesterol will get him.".
[16:26]	DaemonFC	And it did, didn't it?
[16:27]	MinceR	so it would have been OK to merely stab them in the eye then?
[16:27]	DaemonFC	Cholesterol got him. I wonder what it was like sitting at home in front of the TV set, NASCAR on, friends over, eating beer and salted peanuts that he salted again.
[16:27]	Schestowitz-3	people move their heads
[16:27]	DaemonFC	Then all of a sudden his heart!
[16:27]	MinceR	also, if small weapons are OK, why don't we all walk around with poisoned knives or poisoned needles in our pockets?
[16:27]	DaemonFC	"Oh God, my heart! AAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!"
[16:27]	Schestowitz-3	it's not like they just lkie down there, hit me in the left rib, man
[16:27]	Schestowitz-3	aaand "go deep"
[16:28]	DaemonFC	And then it goes on for 9 minutes and he dies right before the ambulance pulls up.
[16:28]	MinceR	grab the head with one hand, stab with the other
[16:28]	XRevan86	https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/06/28/just-in-case-roscosmos-publishes-coordinates-and-satellite-images-of-pentagon-and-nato-hq-prior-to-nato-summit-news "Roscosmos publishes coordinates and satellite images of Pentagon and NATO HQ prior to NATO summit"
[16:28]	Schestowitz-3	matey: some people did that
[16:28]	TR Bot	 . 
[16:28]	DaemonFC	Worse than anything I could have done to him, and I had nothing to do with it, and I was glad to hear about it though.
[16:28]	Schestowitz-3	needle in a night club
[16:28]	XRevan86	Is the right word here "pathetic"?
[16:28]	MinceR	so, where's the outrage and call to ban needles?
[16:28]	DaemonFC	MinceR, I sent his widow a letter, btw.
[16:29]	DaemonFC	I said, "You know, he was laughing about leading the repo man to your car after you got a divorce the first time. I'll bet you didn't know that. Well, you know that now."
[16:29]	Schestowitz-3	aarsenic for the needle is hard to get
[16:29]	MinceR	there are plenty of workable poisons for such use
[16:29]	MinceR	does arsenic even act quickly enough?
[16:29]	DaemonFC	Eh, nap time. Hopefully I can get some sleep in.
[16:29]	Schestowitz-3	OK, so go make darks and shoot arrows
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[16:30]	Schestowitz-3	and tell me that's as dangerous as a riflke
[16:30]	MinceR	everything is dangerous if it magically compels its owner to attack people for no good reason
[16:31]	MinceR	even if the compulsion is to attack _with_ the mind control device
[16:36]	Schestowitz-3	availability of more lethal weapons is still redducedd
[16:37]	Schestowitz-3	because people looking can kill get less done this way
[16:37]	MinceR	is it better to cripple people, then?
[16:37]	MinceR	also, it depends on which people
[16:37]	Schestowitz-3	*looking to kil
[16:37]	Schestowitz-3	all people
[16:37]	MinceR	people who manage to get into the police force can actually kill more people this way
[16:37]	Schestowitz-3	even cops
[16:37]	Schestowitz-3	lessen their powers
[16:38]	MinceR	all anti-gun people are trying to accomplish is disarm the population while leaving the most dangerous people just as armed as before
[16:40]	Schestowitz-3	they aren not antigun absolutists
[16:40]	Schestowitz-3	if they want to skill arm the rogues
[16:41]	Schestowitz-3	cops here are barely armed
[16:41]	MinceR	that sentence makes even less sense than the usual anti-gun dumbassery
[16:41]	Schestowitz-3	except in spoecial scenarios
[16:41]	matey	 all anti-gun people are trying to accomplish is disarm the population while leaving the most dangerous people just as armed as before <- and-- most are too clueless to realise it
[16:41]	MinceR	then the "special scenario" cops will kill lots of people
[16:41]	matey	 <Schestowitz-3> they aren not antigun absolutist <- if thats your argument, racist cops have more important things to do than kill black people all day...
[16:41]	MinceR	cops are already drunk with power everywhere
[16:42]	matey	but they make time
[16:42]	sp1n	it is impossible to disarm USA, whatever gun laws are passed
[16:42]	sp1n	those laws, are irelevant and/or ineffective
[16:42]	MinceR	good
[16:42]	MinceR	that's the one thing the USA has going for itself
[16:43]	sp1n	those anti-gun activists, are delusional, because laws are only relevant if these can be enforced
[16:43]	matey	its seen all this shit before?
[16:44]	sp1n	in case of USA, ruling gun possession ilegal would criminalize hundreds of millions of muricans
[16:44]	sp1n	good luck with that, new law passed, you are all criminals now
[16:45]	matey	 <Schestowitz-3> except in spoecial scenarios <- roy on fire safety: "if theres a fire, then we can start distributing extenguishers"
[16:48]	Schestowitz-3	US is not a success sstory re guns ownership
[16:48]	Schestowitz-3	it's a cautionary tale
[16:48]	Schestowitz-3	where people feel compelleed to buy firearms to keep up with the rest
[16:49]	Schestowitz-3	and then millions die in a few decades from firearms
[16:49]	Schestowitz-3	who would not be dead in their absence 
[16:49]	matey	where people feel compelleed to buy firearms to keep up with the rest <- citation needed
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[16:52]	TR Bot	 Links 28/06/2022: Plasma Mobile Gear 22.06 and KDE Plasma 5.25.2 | Techrights
[16:54]	matey	more people get killed by knives than rifles
[16:54]	matey	solution: confiscate peoples knives and give them rifles instead
[16:54]	Schestowitz-3	look up
[16:54]	Schestowitz-3	uk deaths by knives
[16:54]	Schestowitz-3	compare to us deaths by firearms
[16:54]	Schestowitz-3	weight by population size
[16:55]	matey	what does the uk have to do with this
[16:55]	Schestowitz-3	low ownership of firefox
[16:55]	Schestowitz-3	about 2%
[16:55]	Schestowitz-3	or 3%
[16:55]	matey	are you suggesting that guns dont only shoot people, they also force them to stab each other?
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[17:03]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166584
[17:03]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:04]	MinceR	28 174837 < Schestowitz-3> it's a cautionary tale
[17:04]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166585
[17:04]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[17:04]	MinceR	yeah, a cautionary tale for states
[17:04]	TR News	Videos and Shows: Easy OS 4.1 and Going Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166586
[17:04]	TR Bot	 Videos and Shows: Easy OS 4.1 and Going Linux | Tux Machines
[17:04]	MinceR	about leaving a too long leash for the slaves
[17:04]	Schestowitz-3	matey: they have fascists in charge
[17:04]	Schestowitz-3	and 400 million guns did not prevent it
[17:04]	MinceR	who doesn't?
[17:04]	Schestowitz-3	they have had their government buildings attacked by fascists too
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[17:05]	XRevan86	s/18/20/ now
[17:07]	matey	/me doenst know why roy conflates stats on gun suicides with gun homicides
[17:08]	matey	most gun deaths are suicides and it changes the rhetoric about gun death rates substantially
[17:08]	matey	but it lets you say "millions in just a few decades"
[17:08]	matey	its 700,000 in 20 years if you include suicides
[17:09]	matey	but again, the suicides are more than half of the deaths
[17:09]	matey	maybe around 2/3
[17:09]	matey	so once again, a little full of shit.
[17:09]	matey	at least a bit
[17:10]	matey	matey: they have fascists in charge <- and 400 million guns did not prevent it <- thats the wrong metric
[17:10]	matey	the number of guns means nothing
[17:11]	matey	its the number of people who are armed that would prevent it
[17:11]	matey	and even than its only one factor
[17:11]	matey	there are other requirements-- such as an educated public
[17:11]	matey	we dont have that either
[17:12]	matey	educated public + armed populace (sorry, not there yet) = less fascism
[17:12]	matey	there may be more than one gun per person
[17:12]	matey	but most people are not armed, so that count counts for nothing
[17:12]	matey	apparently some people have ridiculous amounts of weapons
[17:13]	matey	but that isnt what mincer is proposing.
[17:13]	matey	it isnt an "armed populace" if a few people have LOADS of weapons
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[17:14]	matey	weapons being concentrated in the hands of a few causes similar problems as money being distributed that way
[17:14]	TR Bot	 Mobility Package as Bribes in European Patent Office | Techrights
[17:14]	matey	why would that prevent fascism? of course it wouldnt
[17:14]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/new-car-quality-declined-11percent-blame-supply-chain-problems-jd-power.html
[17:14]	TR Bot	 New car quality declined 11%, blame supply chain problems: J.D. Power
[17:14]	DaemonFC	:/
[17:14]	matey	again, its weird hearing such an argument from a glorified statistician 
[17:15]	DaemonFC	It says Buick quality has sharply declined. Probably nothing to do with the recession.
[17:15]	DaemonFC	None of these new cars work right.
[17:15]	matey	but who needs a phd in glorified statistics when theyre just going to cherry pick numbers and not look at what they actually mean?
[17:16]	DaemonFC	They do what the manufacturer wants. They last about 4 or 5 years before they turn into a junker and cost a ridiculous amount of money.
[17:16]	matey	en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state
[17:16]	matey	In 2020, over 45,000 people in the United States (13.6 per 100,000 people) died by firearms.
[17:16]	MinceR	> 400 million guns did not prevent it
[17:16]	DaemonFC	I wonder if dad and Jan really got rid of their Buick SUV because the repairs got away from them or it had a weird failure that nobody could figure out.
[17:16]	matey	More than half of these people died by suicide. 
[17:16]	MinceR	the USA doesn't even allow citizens to keep assault rifles, or anything else capable of full automatic fire
[17:17]	matey	not that you probably want full automatic fire
[17:17]	DaemonFC	Yes, and the suicide rate is the same regardless of the gun laws.
[17:17]	MinceR	let alone rocket launchers, AFV-s or nuclear weapons
[17:17]	Schestowitz-3	DaemonFC: like cereal boxees getting smaller
[17:17]	Schestowitz-3	for same price
[17:17]	DaemonFC	If you take away the guns, they walk in front of trains.
[17:17]	Schestowitz-3	not just cereal
[17:17]	matey	in nearly any combat situation you can imagine, small bursts are more useful
[17:17]	MinceR	the constitutional purpose is resisting tyranny, but the people aren't allowed to be armed sufficiently to resist tyranny
[17:17]	matey	then again "assault rifle" is mostly a "loaded" term anyway
[17:17]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, I've caught them doing this with cat food too.
[17:18]	DaemonFC	Charging $16 for a 6 pound bag when a 22 pound bag used to cost $25. Then throwing rebates at you so you won't scream.
[17:18]	Schestowitz-3	1kg became 750k
[17:18]	Schestowitz-3	than 375
[17:18]	Schestowitz-3	maybe soon 250gram
[17:19]	matey	youre allergic to context
[17:19]	Schestowitz-3	*then
[17:19]	matey	what happens, do you break out in hives? do you have to call medics?
[17:20]	MinceR	28 181755 < matey> then again "assault rifle" is mostly a "loaded" term anyway
[17:20]	MinceR	well, it was named after the Sturmgewehr 44
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[17:21]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, I've gotten into the habit of compulsively buying more bags of cat food every time there's a big rebate.
[17:21]	DaemonFC	Just because if they stop, the stuff costs a fortune.
[17:22]	MinceR	another issue with resisting tyranny is that USians have managed to turn guns into a partisan issue, so the people who side more with the "democrats" are likely to disarm themselves
[17:22]	MinceR	and then nobody protects them or their interests anymore
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[17:22]	DaemonFC	MinceR, The number one state for legal gun sales in the past two years has been Illinois.
[17:23]	matey	USians have managed to turn guns into a partisan issue, so the people who side more with the "democrats" <- well
[17:23]	DaemonFC	The state police are swamped with FOID card backlogs because everyone wants a gun now after years of saying it wasn't necessary.
[17:23]	matey	reps and dems really are the same party
[17:23]	matey	 and they work together to take away everyones rights
[17:23]	DaemonFC	I don't know why. I mean, it's not like there's mobs of looters and rapists and cajackers and anti-abortion protesters that all have guns.
[17:23]	MinceR	many of the followers don't see it that way
[17:23]	DaemonFC	Why would you need one? :)
[17:23]	matey	while making it look like a real fight between the two
[17:23]	matey	 many of the followers don't see it that way <- if youre going to fleece the sheep
[17:24]	matey	first you have to fleece the sheep
[17:24]	matey	when people are being scammed, they dont go
[17:24]	matey	"i know im being scammed, but this is a LOT OF MONEY im going to make!"
[17:25]	matey	"i know im being scammed, but it really is a nice car"
[17:25]	matey	"i know im being scammed, but these issues really DO matter"
[17:25]	DaemonFC	"
[17:25]	DaemonFC	Your submission successfully completed the background review and has been sent to await printing.
[17:25]	DaemonFC	"
[17:25]	matey	they have to stop being scammed first
[17:25]	DaemonFC	The status of my FOID card.
[17:25]	DaemonFC	Apparently I owed them $5 that they never told me about.
[17:25]	matey	the other stuff is just bait on a hook
[17:26]	DaemonFC	So I have an active FOID card with the right address on it, and they are about to send me another one.
[17:26]	matey	its not that the issues arent real-- its that the parties arent real
[17:26]	DaemonFC	:/
[17:26]	DaemonFC	It probably costs them more than $5 to send me another card. So why don't they either not charge me the $5 or not send a duplicate card?
[17:26]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, ^
[17:26]	DaemonFC	I checked to make sure it wasn't revoked!
[17:27]	matey	the american election system is a lot like the game shows on doctor who (devid tennant years) where the contestants who failed appeared to be vapourised
[17:27]	DaemonFC	If it gets revoked, you're supposed to get a letter in the mail, and then you have 48 hours to surrender the cards and your guns or it's a Class A Misdemeanor.
[17:27]	matey	but actually just got transmatted into yet another gameshow
[17:28]	DaemonFC	MinceR, Schestowitz-3 During my appeal, I really laid into the State Police.
[17:28]	matey	they keep people busy, and the right takes away peoples dignity and safety while the left takes away peoples liberty
[17:28]	matey	and they really are the same party working for the same people
[17:28]	matey	its a show
[17:28]	DaemonFC	I accused them of being so incompetent that they let my FOID card remain active 7 months into my probation sentence.
[17:29]	matey	except of course, people do actually die
[17:29]	matey	thats because even if the parties arent real, life still is
[17:29]	DaemonFC	And said that if I had any malicious intentions, that was more than an ample amount of time to act on them, underlying the stupidity of the entire FOID card system.
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[17:30]	matey	the right also takes away liberty and the left also takes away dignity
[17:30]	matey	but since its all about image, one appears to do more of this or that than the other
[17:31]	matey	i wish people would run realistic simulations on the past 40 years of voting
[17:31]	matey	to see what might have happened if people had voted differently
[17:31]	MinceR	28 182839 < matey> they keep people busy, and the right takes away peoples dignity and safety while the left takes away peoples liberty
[17:31]	matey	the caveat is i have no fucking idea how you would make that realistic
[17:32]	MinceR	they both take away people's liberty, dignity and safety
[17:32]	matey	what i do know is that no matter how people vote, they get fucked either way
[17:32]	matey	<MinceR> they both take away people's liberty, dignity and safety <- to be fair, i did just say that
[17:32]	matey	 what i do know is that no matter how people vote, they get fucked either way
[17:32]	matey	so whatever the solution is
[17:33]	matey	voting alone is not going to fix it
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[17:33]	MinceR	the solution is to kill the sociopaths in charge
[17:33]	MinceR	and if others try to step up, kill them too
[17:33]	MinceR	repeat until we run out of sociopaths
[17:33]	matey	i used to say "impeach everyone"
[17:33]	matey	similar concept
[17:34]	matey	just keep impeaching people until we run out of shitty ones
[17:34]	matey	you can imagine my disappointment when i found out how limited the scope of impeachment is (on top of the fact that it never really happens)
[17:34]	matey	(at least not in the way people want it to)
[17:34]	matey	i thought you could impeach any kind of politician
[17:34]	matey	 :(
[17:35]	matey	but this was like 20 years ago
[17:35]		*psydroid2 likes MinceR's suggested measures
[17:36]	matey	the funny thing about mincers suggestion is this
[17:36]	matey	unless people get an even better idea
[17:36]	matey	his suggestion is more or less bound to happen eventually
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[17:37]	DaemonFC	Sometimes I wonder if some people who are this paranoid about lawful gun ownership live on the same planet and witness the same things I do.
[17:38]	DaemonFC	Lawful gun owners are very very little of the "gun crime" problem.
[17:38]	DaemonFC	Like 98% of the gun crime in Illinois involves people who never had a FOID card to begin with and guns that were never in the FOID card system.
[17:39]	DaemonFC	Even without FOID cards, they'd still be Brady disqualified due to "felon in possession of a handgun" which is a federal offense.
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[17:40]	DaemonFC	MinceR, We have to have a federalized state system here. Once everyone lives under 5 levels of government, it will be impossible for them to overlook any possible way of fucking you, but with the added bonus being that when you go a few miles in any direction, all of the laws change anyway.
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[17:41]	DaemonFC	The county board literally does nothing important.
[17:41]	DaemonFC	Like, the cities are the ones providing services.
[17:42]	DaemonFC	Or if you are going to have county governments with bloated budgets, why not shut down Townships?
[17:43]	DaemonFC	We need an entire level of government underneath the city and county and state, so that that government can mow the lawn at the cemetery and decide whether poor people deserve insulin.
[17:43]	MinceR	(cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/weekend-random-randomness-5-22-22-25.jpg
[17:43]	DaemonFC	Indiana gives like, this bizarre and random assortment of stuff to the Township Trustees.
[17:43]	DaemonFC	Like, one of those things is poor relief, what there is of it.
[17:44]	DaemonFC	The law says that one of those tasks is providing insulin for diabetics, except that the Trustee can refuse you insulin if you've ever committed a felony.
[17:54]	DaemonFC	https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/28/innovation-solves-problems-says-wealth-manager-who-lost-over-half-her-clients-assets-in-half-a-year/
[17:54]	TR Bot	 Innovation solves problems says Wealth Manager who lost over half her clients assets in half a year. BaronHK's Rants
[17:54]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, ^
[17:58]	DaemonFC	https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/linkedins-hoffman-spending-to-elect-more-mainstream-democrats-to-congress.html
[17:58]	TR Bot	 LinkedIn co-founder Hoffman hopes to get more Democrats elected to Congress this fall by beating some in the primaries
[17:59]	DaemonFC	Mainstream Democrats PAC. LOL
[17:59]	DaemonFC	You mean the ones that stood there and jerked each other off while Roe died.
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[18:00]	DaemonFC	"Hoffman hosted a virtual fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee last year, with tickets going for up to $875,000. Biden thanked Hoffman for his generous support during the event, according to a White House transcript of the presidents remarks."
[18:00]	DaemonFC	Nancy Pelosi needs me. She neeeeeeeeds my $3.
[18:01]	DaemonFC	*Fundraising intensifies!*
[18:06]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vm7tjz/my_local_walgreens_started_locking_up/
[18:06]	TR Bot	 My local Walgreens started locking up toothpastefucking toothpaste : LateStageCapitalism
[18:06]	DaemonFC	$8 for a single tube of toothpaste.
[18:06]	DaemonFC	They haven't ever actually, you know, proven, that it works better than the 88 cent stuff.
[18:07]	DaemonFC	But they have ridiculous marketing budgets and they pay dentists to recommend it too by implying your teeth will all fall out if you don't.
[18:09]	DaemonFC	Shit, I'd recommend something too if I had them sticking those kinds of checks in my bank account. The Mercedes isn't going to pay for itself, you know.
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[18:10]	DaemonFC	It's actually not _as_ bad as the pharmaceutical companies buying off your doctor. At least your dentist can't follow you to the grocery store and force you to buy the $8 5 ounce Crest instead of the $1 8.4 ounce Aim.
[18:11]	sp1n	succeeded backporting a quake2 engine to c-only system profile... somehow, got video out of the demo
[18:11]	DaemonFC	Doctors can prescribe new drugs that have no generic, and that's exactly what the drug company representatives do.
[18:11]	DaemonFC	If you don't play ball, they stop taking you to dinner and paying your tuition to stay up to date on doctor stuff.
[18:11]	sp1n	however, there is too much backporting work remaining for sound support, at least it is possible
[18:12]	sp1n	got more important things to do than "gaming on linux"; nonetheless it is possible without any c++
[18:14]	sp1n	and as usual, the system integration isn't fun, too much clutter all over the place within the source tree
[18:14]	DaemonFC	https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/vmqe46/companies_providing_access_to_legal_abortions/
[18:14]	TR Bot	 Companies providing access to legal abortions isnt for your benefit, its for the companys benefit. : LateStageCapitalism
[18:15]	sp1n	leave alone, if anytime i was interested in hacking and programming of a software-rasterizer and 3d game engine, it simply isn't fun with the choas
[18:22]	sp1n	imagining, how much time and effort were invested, by valve/steam alone
[18:23]	sp1n	when instead, the old sdl1 software is still available, which requires none of the corporate bloat of opengl/c++/mesa/libdrm/llvm/clang
[18:23]	sp1n	that's probably close to 100million lines of code, simply wiped, and the original 3d game engine is still there without those
[18:24]	DaemonFC	Schestowitz-3, "For Tesla, which ranked 7th from the bottom this year, with the same initial quality score as Mitsubishi, panel alignment and poor paint quality were more common problems than customer issues with the companys mobile app or infotainment."
[18:24]	DaemonFC	-CNBC
[18:24]	DaemonFC	And this is based just on 90 days of ownership!
[18:24]	DaemonFC	That's when JD Power interviews the owner.
[18:24]	DaemonFC	This isn't like the paint started flaking after the car was 15 years old.
[18:27]	MinceR	which Mitsubishi
[18:27]	MinceR	the one that was run by the japanese or the one the french put on renaults and dacias?
[18:27]	MinceR	there's a bit of a difference
[18:29]	MinceR	https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/dcw_dog3.png   ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-dcw-dog#comic )
[18:29]	TR Bot	& Happiness (Explosm.net)
[18:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-28.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
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[18:42]	SomeH4x0r	hi
[18:42]	matey	hi
[18:48]	MinceR	arrrgh, matey
[18:49]	matey	fair point
[18:49]	matey	/me still prefers ninjas
[18:58]	psydroid2	https://www.androidauthority.com/arm-cortex-x3-cortex-a715-3178608/
[18:58]	TR Bot	 Arm Cortex-X3 and Cortex-A715: Next-gen CPUs redefined
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[18:59]	matey	what would be cool is if people started collecting sbcs like trading cards
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[19:00]	matey	theyre cheaper and more rare
[19:00]	matey	making them fun (but less profitable
[19:00]	matey	) to collect
[19:00]	matey	and then instead of going to a shop you could just go to a collector
[19:01]	matey	and they could charge you twice as much for whatever model you wanted-- but heres the fun part
[19:01]	matey	it would still be cheaper than getting x86
[19:02]	psydroid2	and cost much less in terms of electricity
[19:02]	psydroid2	while x86 processors cost more and more to run
[19:03]	psydroid2	they can't compete in terms of design so clock speeds are raised into the stratosphere
[19:04]	sp1n	tailored for corporate consumerist stupidity
[19:04]	sp1n	made in USA
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[19:15]	matey	<psydroid2> they can't compete in terms of design so clock speeds are raised into the stratosphere <- that worked great for circuit city
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[19:24]	TR News	openSUSE Leap 15.4 release retrospective Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166587 openSUSE Leap 15.4 release retrospective Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166587
[19:24]	TR Bot	 openSUSE Leap 15.4 release retrospective | Tux Machines
[19:25]	TR News	Firefox 102.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166588
[19:25]	TR Bot	 Firefox 102.0 | Tux Machines
[19:25]	TR News	Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166589
[19:25]	TR Bot	 Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
[19:25]	TR News	A quick rebuttal to abysmal arguments in favour of software patents, courtesy of people who neither code nor disclose a very obvious conflict of interest (they profit from promotion of such illegal patents, helped by crooked EPO presidencies that violate the European Patent Convention with impunity) http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/getting-it-all-wrong-about-software-patents/
[19:25]	TR Bot	 Bastian Best is Still Wrong and Dishonest About Software Patents | Techrights
[19:26]	DaemonFC	https://wgntv.com/news/illinois-election-day-republicans-to-pick-nominee-to-face-gov-pritzker/
[19:26]	TR Bot	 Illinois Election Day: Republicans to pick nominee to face Gov. Pritzker | WGN-TV
[19:26]	DaemonFC	What's interesting is that rich people will sink a hundred million dollars into a failed political campaign, but they won't pay their taxes.
[19:27]	TR News	KDE Plasma 5.25.2, Bugfix Release for June http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166581#comment-34161
[19:27]	TR Bot	 KDE Plasma 5.25.2 Released to Improve Flatpak Support, Present Windows Effect | Tux Machines
[19:32]	TR News	How to Create Beautiful Beamer Slides with Emacs - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/create-beautiful-beamer-slides-with-emacs/ Source: maketecheasier
[19:32]	TR Bot	 How to Create Beautiful Beamer Slides with Emacs - Make Tech Easier
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[19:36]	TR News	WTF, CNX????? Microsoft SPAM again https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/06/28/how-to-repair-a-corrupted-excel-file-in-microsoft-office-2007-and-2010/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/cnxsoftware-partly-compromised/
[19:36]	TR Bot	 How to repair a corrupted excel file in Microsoft Office 2007 and 2010 (Sponsored) - CNX Software
[19:36]	TR Bot	 The C in CNX Software is Not Community | Techrights
[19:39]	TR News	Spamnil posting spam for VS Code, Microsoft Proprietary Spyware
[19:43]	schestowitz	sexpc gemini://idiomdrottning.org/sexpc "Unix filter that reads one sexp from stdin and outputs the same expression in C syntax"
[19:44]	TR News	Demonstration on Wednesday 29 June at 12.30 in front of the Isar building http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/suepo-munich-protest-flyer/
[19:44]	TR Bot	 Mobility Package as Bribes in European Patent Office | Techrights
[19:45]	TR News	sched/fair: Introduce SIS_UTIL to search idle CPU based on sum of util_avg https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/commit/?h=sched/core&id=70fb5ccf2ebb09a0c8ebba775041567812d45f86
[19:45]	TR Bot	 kernel/git/tip/tip.git - Unnamed repository; edit this file 'description' to name the repository.
[19:45]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166590
[19:45]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[19:49]	TR News	Middleware enterprise functionality comes to JavaScript, thanks to Vercel | VentureBeat https://venturebeat.com/2022/06/28/middleware-enterprise-functionality-comes-to-javascript-thanks-to-vercel/ Source: venturebeat
[19:49]	TR Bot	enterprise functionality comes to JavaScript, thanks to Vercel | VentureBeat
[19:50]	TR News	"We are happy to announce the release of Qt Creator 8 Beta2!" https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-creator-8-beta2-released
[19:50]	TR Bot	 Qt Creator 8 Beta2 released
[19:51]	TR News	Perl Weekly Challenge 171: Abundant Numbers and First-Class Functions http://blogs.perl.org/users/laurent_r/2022/06/perl-weekly-challenge-171-abundant-numbers-and-first-class-functions.html
[19:51]	TR Bot	Weekly Challenge 171: Abundant Numbers and First-Class Functions | laurent_r [blogs.perl.org]
[19:54]	TR News	It Started with Muybridge (1964) The Public Domain Review https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/it-started-with-muybridge/ Source: publicdomainreview
[19:54]	TR Bot	 *It Started with Muybridge* (1964) The Public Domain Review
[19:55]	TR News	"The game-maker made a change to its Privacy Policy and Terms of Service in April 2021. It allows Riot Games to record and evaluate in-game voice communications when a report for that type of behavior is submitted." https://www.maketecheasier.com/riot-games-listening-to-valorant-chats/
[19:55]	TR Bot	 Valorant Players: Riot Games Will Be Listening to Your Chats - Make Tech Easier
[19:55]	sp1n	~80% of global maize harvest isn't used for nutrition, instead "bio" fuels
[19:55]	TR News	Virtual private network providers now have until September 25 to comply with new guidelines https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/virtual-private-network-providers-now-have-until-september-25-to-comply-with-new-guidelines/articleshow/92515531.cms
[19:55]	TR Bot	 Virtual private network providers now have until September 25 to comply with new guidelines | Business Insider India
[19:55]	sp1n	either way, fertile soil and forests erode and cut down
[19:56]	TR News	"When Ubuntu came on the scene in 2004, it made desktop Linux viable to many with its ease of use and friendly layout. Instead of constantly improving this and becoming the King of All Distributions it took a very different path. While I still use Ubuntu server with some caveats, I will NOT use Ubuntu Desktop." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=pMfqCzbSmQU
[19:56]	TR Bot	 Ubuntu's Decline - Invidious
[19:57]	AdmFubar	https://www.techdirt.com/2022/06/27/dangerous-ruling-says-if-someone-goes-onto-your-openly-shared-google-drive-you-can-sue-them-for-unauthorized-access/
[19:57]	TR Bot	Ruling Says If Someone Goes Onto Your Openly Shared Google Drive, You Can Sue Them For Unauthorized Access | Techdirt
[19:58]	TR News	Tuesday's FESCo Meeting (2022-06-28) is cancelled. Many announcements https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/AEF4US5TEZK66YLG7UGGIGWW2HYP732E/
[19:58]	TR Bot	 Tuesday's FESCo Meeting (2022-06-28) is cancelled. Many announcements - devel - Fedora Mailing-Lists
[19:58]	TR News	GCC 10.4 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166591
[19:58]	TR Bot	 GCC 10.4 Released | Tux Machines
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[20:00]	TR News	Microsoft the worst https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/28/2022-cwe-top-25-most-dangerous-software-weaknesses
[20:00]	TR Bot	 2022 CWE Top 25 Most Dangerous Software Weaknesses | CISA
[20:00]	TR News	"Thought experiment story of someone of someone who lost everything in a house fire, and now cant log into anything" https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/06/__trashed-2.html
[20:00]	TR Bot	Security Locks You Out of Everything - Schneier on Security
[20:04]	TR News	MNT Pocket Reform Is A Fully Customizable, Mini Linux Laptop With A Seriously Cool Design http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166575#comment-34162
[20:04]	TR Bot	 MNT Pocket Reform 7-inch modular mini laptop takes a range of Arm (and FPGA) modules | Tux Machines
[20:05]	TR News	Manufacturing code? Probably plagiarism. https://www.techgenyz.com/2022/06/28/intel-starts-manufacturing-habana-labs-gaudi2-linux-driver-code/
[20:05]	TR Bot	starts manufacturing Habana Labs Gaudi2 Linux driver code | TechGenyz
[20:07]	TR News	Delaying the inevitable: Implementation of CERT-Ins Cybersecurity Directions gets a piecemeal extension https://internetfreedom.in/delaying-the-inevitable-implementation-of-cert-ins-cybersecurity-directions-gets-a-piecemeal-extension/ Source: internetfreedom
[20:07]	TR Bot	 Delaying the inevitable: Implementation of CERT-Ins Cybersecurity Directions gets a piecemeal extension
[20:08]	TR News	LOL. MICROSOFT WINDOWS. CMC Electronics EFB breakout vulnerability | Pen Test Partners https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/efb-breakout-vulnerability/ Source: pentestpartners
[20:08]	TR Bot	 CMC Electronics EFB breakout vulnerability | Pen Test Partners
[20:09]	TR News	Steven Vaughan-Nichols = LF-funded LF stenographer. SJVM, you disappointing sellout.
[20:12]	TR News	EasyOS Dunfell-series version 4.2.2 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166470#comment-34163
[20:12]	TR Bot	 EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2 | Tux Machines
[20:12]	sp1n	in usa more than 80% of planted maize is genetically engineered crop
[20:12]	TR News	David Cantrell: rpminspect-1.10 released https://www.burdell.org/posts/2022/Jun/27/rpminspect-110-released/
[20:12]	TR Bot	 rpminspect-1.10released
[20:13]	TR News	Scanning container image vulnerabilities with Clair https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/scanning-container-image-vulnerabilities-clair Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux
[20:13]	TR Bot	 Scanning container image vulnerabilities with Clair
[20:13]	sp1n	"bio" ethane fuel, "green", "eco"
[20:13]	sp1n	watching some documentary
[20:14]	TR News	mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa) https://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=24be0119016f6181f5a39e6405f17ad199bd695c Source: cgit
[20:14]	TR Bot	 Mesa / mesa GitLab
[20:14]	TR Bot	 mesa/mesa - The Mesa 3D Graphics Library (mirrored from https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa)
[20:14]	TR News	Running DOS on a 64-bit OS: A brief guide Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166592
[20:14]	TR Bot	 Running DOS on a 64-bit OS: A brief guide | Tux Machines
[20:15]	TR News	Firefox 103 Beta Improves WebGL Performance on Linux for NVIDIA Drivers via DMA-Buf Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166593
[20:15]	TR Bot	 Firefox 103 Beta Improves WebGL Performance on Linux for NVIDIA Drivers via DMA-Buf | Tux Machines
[20:17]	TR News	Linux Format 291 https://linuxformat.com/linux-format-291.html
[20:17]	TR Bot	 Linux Format 291
[20:21]	TR News	Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166594
[20:21]	TR Bot	 Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
[20:22]	TR News	ripgrep-all Command in Linux: One grep to Rule Them All Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166595
[20:22]	TR Bot	 ripgrep-all Command in Linux: One grep to Rule Them All | Tux Machines
[20:22]	TR News	Need a free Slack alternative? #HowTo quickly deploy Rocket.Chat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166596
[20:22]	TR Bot	 Need a free Slack alternative? How to quickly deploy Rocket.Chat | Tux Machines
[20:25]	TR News	Debian and The History of Debian Linux Distribution Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166597
[20:25]	TR Bot	 Debian and The History of Debian Linux Distribution | Tux Machines
[20:35]	psydroid2	https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/15/food-brands-accused-of-selling-inferior-versions-in-eastern-europe
[20:35]	TR Bot	 Food brands 'cheat' eastern European shoppers with inferior products | Inequality | The Guardian
[20:35]	psydroid2	not tech, but ridiculous
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[20:44]	Schestowitz-3	just got dutch epo leaks
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[20:51]	Schestowitz-3	wanna read, psydroid2 
[20:51]	Schestowitz-3	it's in English
[20:51]	Schestowitz-3	not dutch
[20:51]	Schestowitz-3	maybe I should ask the "hollander"
[20:51]	Schestowitz-3	if he can spin it
[20:52]	psydroid2	der hollnder weiss immer alles am besten
[20:52]	psydroid2	ok
[20:52]	Schestowitz-3	it's aprtof a trend
[20:52]	Schestowitz-3	attack on staff
[20:53]	Schestowitz-3	disgusting
[20:53]	Schestowitz-3	psydroid2: http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-lawsuits-impending/
[20:53]	TR Bot	 Lots of Legal Action Against the EPO Impending | Techrights
[20:54]	psydroid2	the one time I met someone who worked at the EPO it was someone from the Czech Republic
[20:54]	Schestowitz-3	the draft mentions r elocation
[20:55]	TR News	Gemini as a Good gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202206/20220628-gemini-as-a-good.gmi
[20:56]	psydroid2	regarding "tsunami ..." -> regarding a "tsunami ..."
[20:56]	Schestowitz-3	corrected
[20:58]	psydroid2	The Benot Battistelli -> The Benot Battistelli era/reign/terror (you can pick your term)
[20:58]	psydroid2	pointed our -> pointed out
[20:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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[21:01]	Schestowitz-3	trend across industry
[21:01]	Schestowitz-3	why many feeel demotivated
[21:01]	Schestowitz-3	and demorislised
[21:01]	Schestowitz-3	as their kids become more expensive
[21:03]	XRevan86	https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1541806984076328964
[21:03]	psydroid2	the question is whether economic growth and population growth are sustainable
[21:03]	TR Bot	 Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Russian state media coverage of the Kremenchuk shopping mall strike. Predictably, they are denying that the strike even happened, calling it a "provocation" that was organized just in time for Sean Penn's return to Ukraine & the NATO summit. Western coverage is branded as "Fake.""|nitter
[21:03]	XRevan86	https://nitter.net/JuliaDavisNews/status/1541828494493114369
[21:04]	TR Bot	 Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews): "Leave it to Tulsi Gabbard to again voice the pro-Kremlin talking points on Tucker Carlson's show, advocating for Zelensky to accept Russia's conditions [their only condition is Ukraine's total capitulation]. As always, Russian state TV is quick to showcase the clip."|nitter
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[21:07]	Schestowitz-3	psydroid2: those are connected factors
[21:11]	Schestowitz-3	XRevan86: ending the way would be a good thing, but
[21:12]	Schestowitz-3	who's to trust Vlad to not invade another country?
[21:12]	Schestowitz-3	first a piece of it, then the whole lot years later after experimenting
[21:12]	Schestowitz-3	the conditions of peace or ceasefire matter
[21:12]	XRevan86	Schestowitz-3: That another country should also totally capitulate, and that would be a good thing.
[21:12]	Schestowitz-3	Gabbard went off the deep end by trusting Putin to honour an agreement
[21:13]	Schestowitz-3	XRevan86: putin wants thge "bloc" back
[21:13]	Schestowitz-3	we saw that in Belarus
[21:13]	Schestowitz-3	when he offered help to Luka in crushing protesters
[21:13]	Schestowitz-3	after the fake 'election'
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[21:18]	XRevan86	Schestowitz-Tr3: "Geopolitics"
[21:18]	TR News	[Meme] EPO Policies Decided Behind Closed Doors | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-policies/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-policies/
[21:18]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Policies Decided Behind Closed Doors | Techrights
[21:19]	Schestowitz-3	see what Lula (BR) said
[21:19]	Schestowitz-3	I agree with him
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[21:20]	XRevan86	Schestowitz-Tr3: What did he say?
[21:20]		*Schestowitz-3 looking now
[21:21]	Schestowitz-3	https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-lula-says-zelenskiy-as-responsible-putin-ukraine-war-2022-05-04/
[21:21]	TR Bot	Lula says Zelenskiy 'as responsible as Putin' for Ukraine war | Reuters
[21:21]	Schestowitz-3	this is slaant from reuters
[21:21]	Schestowitz-3	hangs on
[21:21]	Schestowitz-3	Reuters = Canada-owned
[21:21]	Schestowitz-3	western media slanted this
[21:21]	Schestowitz-3	by quote-mining
[21:22]	Schestowitz-3	he said noobody seems to be worktring toawards peace
[21:22]	Schestowitz-3	and this was slaanted like this:
[21:22]	Schestowitz-3	this is OK https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/05/lula-criticizes-world-leaders-not-doing-enough-help-create-peace-ukraine
[21:22]	TR Bot	 Lula Criticizes World Leaders for Not Doing Enough to 'Help Create Peace' in Ukraine
[21:22]	Schestowitz-3	slant: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/04/brazil-lula-zelenskiy-blame-war
[21:22]	TR Bot	 Brazils ex-president Lula claims Zelenskiy equally to blame for war | Brazil | The Guardian
[21:22]	Schestowitz-3	https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/06/03/lula-criticizes-biden-for-arms-support-to-ukraine/
[21:22]	TR Bot	 Lula criticizes Biden for arms support to Ukraine - Prensa Latina
[21:22]	Schestowitz-3	this is selective quoting https://www.news24.com/news24/world/news/brazils-lula-says-zelensky-shares-blame-for-ukraine-war-20220504
[21:22]	TR Bot	Lula says Zelensky shares blame for Ukraine war | News24
[21:24]	XRevan86	Schestowitz-Tr3: I don't agree with this take.
[21:24]	XRevan86	> What was the reason for the Ukraine invasion? NATO? Then the U.S. and Europe should have said: 'Ukraine won't join NATO
[21:24]	XRevan86	That would not have done a single thing.
[21:25]	XRevan86	The Russian government is not complete morons, they know NATO doesn't want Ukraine.
[21:25]	XRevan86	Lula is confusing the outwards-facing propaganda with reasons for war, and so he won't understand the confict.
[21:28]	TR News	Open Data is not "open source". Brands and terms cheapened and rendered meaningless. https://venturebeat.com/2022/06/28/roboflow-expands-open-source-datasets-for-better-computer-vision-ai-models/
[21:28]	TR Bot	expands open-source datasets for better computer vision AI models | VentureBeat
[21:28]	sp1n	NATO is the military arm of the economic interests involved
[21:28]	sp1n	Ukraine, fertile soil, "bio" fuels and whatever else
[21:28]	TR News	Jonathan Dowland: WadC 3.1 https://jmtd.net/log/wadc_3.1/
[21:28]	TR Bot	 jmtd log WadC 3.1
[21:29]	XRevan86	> And Biden could have avoided war, not incited it
[21:29]	XRevan86	Fun fact: Biden personally ordered to drop confidentiality from the reports on the upcoming war.
[21:29]	sp1n	it's a land-grabbing, with a comedy puppet installed as president
[21:29]	MinceR	and once again activelow is spewing ruscist propaganda
[21:29]	MinceR	like clockwork
[21:29]	XRevan86	It was made known that the US knows about that war is coming, and they gave away everything they knew.
[21:29]	sp1n	it's a fact
[21:30]	IPFS	() Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-27.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-06-28.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
[21:30]	TR News	Why organizations need site reliability engineers | https://opensource.com/article/22/6/benefits-sre-site-reliability-engineering Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux
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[21:30]	TR Bot	organizations need site reliability engineers | Opensource.com
[21:30]	XRevan86	MinceR: I don't even care anymore.
[21:31]	XRevan86	Of course Pieskov and co. at the time said that the US is spewing fake news and bullshit.
[21:31]	XRevan86	And then did exactly what the US said they would do.
[21:31]	TR News	Will you sign my anti-RMS petition, Mr. Revoy? Revoy: SURE! Even if it tells lies. https://www.davidrevoy.com/article916/toulouse-signing-session-on-sunday
[21:31]	TR Bot	 Toulouse - Signing Session on Sunday - David Revoy
[21:32]	MinceR	"Will you sign my petition or will it be your surviving family members?"
[21:33]	XRevan86	I wonder if activelow knows that Zelensky comes from the Eastern part of Ukraine.
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[21:33]	SomeH4x0r	does activelow still exist?
[21:34]	sp1n	you see, this is what "EU" etc. want: Ukrainian corn, and this type of friendship Zelensky seeked, see for yourself what those friends are
[21:34]	XRevan86	SomeH4x0r: Yes, but under different nicknames now, this time it's "sp1n".
[21:34]	SomeH4x0r	didn't they rage quit?
[21:34]	SomeH4x0r	oh
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[21:34]	MinceR	at least this nickname is more revealing
[21:35]	MinceR	because he's all about the spin
[21:35]	sp1n	facts
[21:35]	XRevan86	sp1n: And without Zelensky Ukrainian corn would've just disappeared.
[21:35]	sp1n	Zelensky himself is whining 24/7 now, to the "friends" he chose to seek an aliance with
[21:36]	XRevan86	sp1n: I also prefer Putin's approach: brooding in a dungeon with no friends.
[21:36]	sp1n	XRevan86: what Putin got, is the support of German Industry leaders
[21:36]	XRevan86	(that's not really true, Putin is leaving Russia to go to Turkmenistan soon :) )
[21:36]	MinceR	i hope he gets assassinated in turkmenistan
[21:37]	XRevan86	MinceR: Unlikely, they have a leader with a similiar approach to power.
[21:37]	MinceR	it might be easier to get a drone to turkmenistan though
[21:38]	XRevan86	Ah, I see. True.
[21:38]	XRevan86	Is AfD German Industry?
[21:38]	MinceR	they manufacture lies
[21:38]	MinceR	does that count?
[21:39]	sp1n	XRevan86: one of the founding members was BDI president (Henkel at that time), for example, yes
[21:39]	XRevan86	MinceR: ^ apparently, yes.
[21:39]	sp1n	although, most industry leaders aren't politically associated publicly
[21:39]	MinceR	most of them have more sense than that?
[21:39]	sp1n	Chancellor Schroeder, Rosneft, BASF etc... 
[21:39]	sp1n	XRevan86: i am surprised this "minor" detail shall be disputed
[21:40]	XRevan86	Such German indistrials like: Russia, Russia
[21:40]	TR News	[Meme] EPO Bosses Sneer at Staff Unrest | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/sneerfing-at-staff-unrest/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/28/sneerfing-at-staff-unrest/
[21:40]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Bosses Sneer at Staff Unrest | Techrights
[21:41]	XRevan86	Schroeder is a colourful example for sure.
[21:41]	sp1n	not only Russia, in general industry spanned eastwards, including Czech republic, and wherever else
[21:41]	sp1n	Airbus, who knows what
[21:41]	MinceR	sp1n: why is it surprising to you that any detail of the propaganda you spout here would be disputed?
[21:41]	MinceR	do you live in a bubble?
[21:41]	TR News	Fedora Family / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166598
[21:41]	TR Bot	 Fedora Family / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
[21:41]	sp1n	MinceR: it's facts, it's not an opinion
[21:41]	MinceR	riiiiiiiiiight
[21:41]	MinceR	"alternative facts"
[21:42]	MinceR	i know them well
[21:42]	sp1n	no, trivial facts
[21:42]	XRevan86	"spanned eastwards" <- North Korea is also eastwards, coincidence?
[21:42]	XRevan86	Must mean German Industry is pro-DPRK.
[21:42]	sp1n	i mean, BASF investments, and long-term contracts with Russia all that, Putin does not need any sort of "friendship" Zelensky enjoys now
[21:42]	MinceR	if they're ruscists, they may as well be pro-north korea
[21:43]	sp1n	XRevan86: you might be surprised, but yes, i had seen, by coincidence, some former east-german/zcech Tatra Trams were shipped to North Korea where those continue operation
[21:43]	sp1n	and dictator kim, regularly, poses with a huge german mercedes benz vehicle
[21:43]	XRevan86	Must mean DPRK is actually a good regime with a kind noble leader.
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[21:44]	MinceR	no doubt spin actually believes that
[21:44]	sp1n	btw. Putin's wrist watch, is made in Saxony, Glashuette
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[21:44]	XRevan86	MinceR: He called Kim a dictator, but I don't know if he means it like it's a bad thing.
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[21:44]	sp1n	although, reports were, Putin was considere a disappointed friend of Germany, since recently
[21:45]	sp1n	for, various reasons
[21:46]	matey	/me tries to think of a word that combines "masturbatory" with "nazi" with "bullshit"
[21:46]	XRevan86	bullnazibatory
[21:46]	matey	i guess "ruscist" is close enough for now
[21:46]	matey	bullnazibatory <- it might work
[21:47]	SomeH4x0r	might ask another person tomorrow if I don't forget
[21:47]	sp1n	matey:  ever looked into a mirror while excrement is dripping out of your mouth?
[21:47]	MinceR	what a snappy comeback
[21:48]	XRevan86	Is it the first time activelow directly insulted someone?
[21:48]	TR News	Mozilla Thunderbird 102 Released with New Address Book, Import/Export Wizard Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166599
[21:48]	TR Bot	 Mozilla Thunderbird 102 Released with New Address Book, Import/Export Wizard | Tux Machines
[21:48]	sp1n	yes
[21:48]	psydroid2	elizabeth bthory
[21:48]	matey	/me giggles
[21:48]	XRevan86	SomeH4x0r: Of what?
[21:48]	SomeH4x0r	on the words thing
[21:48]	TR News	It is the usual lobbying nonsense from bribed politicians (bribed by the mass litigation lobby). It spills over to USPTO's site now. How appalling. https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/USPTO/bulletins/31df580
[21:48]	TR Bot	 Following a series of Supreme Court decisions, new USPTO report on patent subject matter eligibility finds diversity of views regarding the current state of jurisprudence in the U.S.
[21:49]	SomeH4x0r	maybe they think of a better one
[21:49]	matey	nazibate
[21:49]	XRevan86	I'm not really a fan of all of those new fancy words.
[21:49]	sp1n	anyway, the strategy is known as "Wandel durch Handel" (change by economic trade associations), or "Wandel durch Annaeherung" (change by proximity)
[21:50]	matey	most of them arent worth using twice, xrevan
[21:50]	matey	they get out of hand very quickly
[21:50]	matey	i take them less seriously than some people
[21:50]	sp1n	meaning, any foreign policy can be imposed only in conjunction with economic dependencies
[21:50]	matey	i dont subscribe to the foolish notion that human though is governed / ruled by words
[21:50]	TR News	Linux Around The World: USA - Florida http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/165929#comment-34164
[21:50]	TR Bot	 GNU/Linux: Arch Linux, "Linux" Around The World, and Linux Format 290 | Tux Machines
[21:50]	sp1n	which is, the weakness of this approach, given Putin/Russia depend far less on anyone else than global economy depends on russia
[21:51]	matey	as much as i like orwell, it was one of his dumbest ideas-- and not his alone
[21:51]	sp1n	hence the argument, sanctions harm "the west" more than it did harm Russia
[21:51]	TR News	"In this video, I am going to show an overview of EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=aunpR7WQaB8
[21:51]	TR Bot	 EndeavourOS 22.6 Artemis overview | A terminal-centric distro with a vibrant and friendly community. - Invidious
[21:51]	XRevan86	matey: The funny thing is that he picked it up from the short-lived fascination of Soviet Russia with Esperanto.
[21:51]	matey	i wont negate the existence of SOME relationship between the two, only the totality that SOME fairly idiotic leftist ideas are based on
[21:51]	XRevan86	Which is a pretty insulting take on Esperanto.
[21:51]	TR News	My 6 WORST LINUX MISTAKES - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RapJNczwP7k Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia
[21:51]	TR Bot	 My 6 WORST LINUX MISTAKES - Invidious
[21:51]	matey	The funny thing is that he picked it up from the short-lived fascination of Soviet Russia with Esperanto <- that makes sense
[21:52]	matey	 Which is a pretty insulting take on Esperanto <- i can imagine
[21:52]	XRevan86	Also because Stalin cracked down on Esperanto and oppressed people related to it.
[21:52]	matey	words are tools for expressing ideas
[21:52]	matey	the idea that theyre magical incantations that allow the brain to do its job seems more than a little superstitious 
[21:52]	matey	to be taken seriously by "real scientists"
[21:53]	matey	and insults an admittedly imperfect intelligence
[21:53]	matey	 Also because Stalin cracked down on Esperanto <- if stalin ever had a good idea, he probably had it shot
[21:54]	TR News	The Local Staff Committee The Hague (LSCTH) gives a heads-up regarding a tsunami of legal cases on the horizon against Europes second-largest institution, which operates in the dark with impunity (and thus frequently breaks the law and breaks promises) http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-lawsuits-impending/
[21:54]	TR Bot	 Lots of Legal Action Against the EPO Impending | Techrights
[21:54]	XRevan86	matey: Language is a medium of culture, and words reflect stereotypes. In that it does influence people. But there's a catch.
[21:54]	matey	im willing to consider the fantastic notion that words have magical power
[21:54]	TR News	The EPO has not been run like a patent office/system for over a decade already; wealthy stakeholders from other continents just turned it into their monopoly-granting machine, operating in violation of its own charter for the sole goal of increasing cashflow http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/epo-policies/
[21:54]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Policies Decided Behind Closed Doors | Techrights
[21:54]	matey	but to explain the human mind in such terms is sloppy even by my standards
[21:54]	TR News	Hypothetical exchange between Benot Battistelli and Antnio Campinos http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/sneerfing-at-staff-unrest/
[21:55]	TR Bot	 [Meme] EPO Bosses Sneer at Staff Unrest | Techrights
[21:55]	XRevan86	The catch is that people also influence the language, and they'll use words and ideas they find useful to them.
[21:55]	matey	The catch is that people also influence the language, and they'll use words and ideas they find useful to them <- see, its not rocket science
[21:55]	TR News	Motorola.. hole rated CVSS v3 9.8 (out of 10!!!) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-06
[21:55]	TR Bot	 Motorola Solutions ACE1000 | CISA
[21:55]	matey	words influence people, but theres a nuance!
[21:56]	XRevan86	People influence the language, the language influences the people, it's almost as if society shapes individuals and individuals shape society. Weird.
[21:56]	matey	crazy!
[21:56]	matey	its the people that give words godlike power (in the name of science) that makes me wonder what they put in the drinking water
[21:57]	TR News	"The affected product utilizes an MDLC driver that has a password stored in plaintext in the wmdlcdrv.ini driver configuration file." ini sounds so..... Windows. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-05
[21:57]	TR Bot	 Motorola Solutions MDLC | CISA
[21:57]	matey	if words didnt influence anyone at all, there would be very little point in complaining about this
[21:58]	TR News	"Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could result in manipulation of device configuration." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-04
[21:58]	TR Bot	 Motorola Solutions MOSCAD IP and ACE IP Gateways | CISA
[21:59]	matey	brands influence people
[21:59]	matey	and people can turn on them and render them worthless
[21:59]	TR News	"Machine learning programming is an in-demand skill. Learn how to program an ML application with Python in this tutorial." https://www.itbusinessedge.com/development/python-for-machine-learning-tutorial/
[21:59]	TR Bot	 Python for Machine Learning: A Tutorial | IT Business Edge
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[22:00]	matey	imo ideas are more powerful than the words used to express those ideas
[22:00]	matey	people who think words are more powerful than ideas, i think have a screw loose
[22:01]	matey	but apart from that i think its incredibly sophomoric logic
[22:02]	matey	the sort id expect from herr doktor
[22:02]	matey	"all words comes from german, and all ideas come from words!"
[22:02]	MinceR	lol
[22:02]	matey	"and there is but one word! herr bungholio!"
[22:02]	MinceR	lol
[22:03]	XRevan86	matey: Ergo Germans invented Communi oh wait, they actually did.
[22:03]	matey	thats fair because its true
[22:03]	matey	though unlike marx, lenin at least is readable
[22:03]	matey	(not that everyone will agree)
[22:04]	XRevan86	That's very debatable.
[22:04]	matey	well if everyone had to agree, it wouldnt be leninism
[22:04]	MinceR	i haven't attempted to read lenin yet
[22:04]	matey	i havent had any trouble with it
[22:04]	MinceR	i can attest to marx being unreadable, tedious and obviously wrong
[22:04]	TR News	Fixing test coverage reports in at-spi2-core https://viruta.org/fixing-test-coverage.html
[22:04]	TR Bot	 Fixing test coverage reports in at-spi2-core - Federico's Blog
[22:04]	matey	hes more accessible than dostoyevesky, and i enjoy dostoyevesky
[22:05]	matey	at least in smaller-than-homer-like amounts
[22:06]	matey	free software really is watered down communism
[22:06]	MinceR	[citation needed]
[22:06]	TR News	Vim 9.0 : vim online Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166600
[22:06]	TR Bot	 Vim 9.0 : vim online | Tux Machines
[22:06]	matey	and both stallman and esr are too busy conflating stalinism with marxism to notice
[22:06]	TR News	Audiocasts/Shows: GNU/Linux Mistakes, Demo of EndeavourOS 22.6, and Ubuntus Decline Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166601
[22:06]	TR Bot	 Audiocasts/Shows: GNU/Linux Mistakes, Demo of EndeavourOS 22.6, and Ubuntu's Decline | Tux Machines
[22:06]	MinceR	what does conflating stalinism with marxism have to do with communism?
[22:06]	matey	(and both vigorously deny it on grounds that are COMPLETELY reasonable, IF stalinism is interchangeable with communism)
[22:07]	matey	<MinceR> what does conflating stalinism with marxism have to do with communism? <- a good question for maybe 90% of the west?
[22:07]	MinceR	a good question for anyone who wants to know what point you're attempting to make
[22:07]	MinceR	considering that for some people, even "communism" means different things from one hour to the next
[22:08]	matey	if stalinism is the same thing as communism, both should be avoided
[22:08]	MinceR	that whole memeplex is so intellectually lazy, even its proponents are unwilling to define any of the words they invented
[22:08]	matey	certainly most "communist" countries were inspired more by stalin than marx
[22:08]	matey	the worst of them for starters
[22:08]	matey	more inspired by stalin than marx
[22:08]	XRevan86	Stalinism has as much to do with Communism as Putinism has with Sovereign Democracy.
[22:09]	matey	 <XRevan86> Stalinism has as much to do with Communism as Putinism has with Sovereign Democracy. <- this is refreshing
[22:09]		*MinceR is not refreshed
[22:09]	matey	americans are taught that stalinism is communism
[22:09]		*XRevan86 presses F5.
[22:09]	MinceR	nothing happens
[22:09]	XRevan86	Ctrl+F5 then.
[22:09]	MinceR	still nothing happens
[22:09]	matey	[15;5~
[22:10]	matey	[15~ <- f5 [15;5~ <- ctrl+f5
[22:10]	matey	i can see it, i bet you cant
[22:10]	MinceR	i think you lost some escapes
[22:10]	matey	they escaped
[22:10]	XRevan86	^[[15;5~
[22:10]	matey	hey hey hey
[22:10]	sp1n	anyway, Putin and Medvedev are a Tandem
[22:11]	sp1n	rarely ever is Medvedev mentioned
[22:11]	XRevan86	That's a fresh take.
[22:11]	sp1n	not sure what he does now
[22:11]	XRevan86	From like 2008.
[22:11]	matey	im completely against stalinism
[22:11]	XRevan86	sp1n: Makes a fool of himself mostly.
[22:11]	MinceR	is it common for tandems to have one member's hand up the other member's ass?
[22:11]	sp1n	did they divorce?
[22:11]	XRevan86	sp1n: It was a one-time deal.
[22:11]	sp1n	anyway, typically, the argument in "the west" was, to fight corruption
[22:11]	matey	stalin would have done his country well to set himself on fire
[22:12]	MinceR	that's true for most "leaders"
[22:12]	matey	i can think of several people in power today that could do the world and their own people a similar favour
[22:12]	MinceR	but more true for stalin than most
[22:12]	sp1n	and Medvedev, was somehow rooted in the civil liberty and rights movement, to confront corruption in russia
[22:12]	sp1n	although, just as said, i am no expert on internal politics of russia
[22:12]	TR News	Proprietary software/Windows problem https://www.hecticgeek.com/browser-hijacker-how-to-remove-it/
[22:12]	TR Bot	 What is a Browser Hijacker? How to Remove It
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[22:12]	MinceR	perhaps vladolf should finally copy his idol hitler and do what hitler did at the end of his life already
[22:13]	sp1n	all i am saying is this, there could be worse, much worse, than Medvedev for example
[22:13]	MinceR	not being an expert never stopped mr. spin
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[22:13]	matey	/me still thinks vlad is more like stalin... but stalin and hitler had enough in common, its true
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[22:13]	XRevan86	sp1n: I, surprisingly enough, don't get your point.
[22:13]	matey	i still like sp1ns ideas about gnu/linux
[22:13]	TR News	"The 1.62.0 pre-release is ready for testing. The release is scheduled for this Thursday, June 30th. Release notes can be found here." https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/06/28/1.62.0-prerelease.html Rust = CoCware controlled by Microsoft proprietary software
[22:13]	MinceR	stalin should have done it too
[22:13]	TR Bot	 1.62.0 pre-release testing | Inside Rust Blog
[22:13]	matey	that is most of them
[22:14]	sp1n	Sergej Lawrow seems to be a respected diplomat too
[22:14]	MinceR	oh yeah, respected by every ruscist
[22:14]	XRevan86	Maybe in 2008.
[22:14]	MinceR	and by absolutely no one else
[22:14]	matey	XRevan86 you keep mentioning 2008
[22:14]	matey	what exactly are you referring to
[22:14]	matey	(its my own fault i dont see that part so dont explain if you dont want to)
[22:15]	MinceR	i think i'll stop watching the All Spin Zone with Bill O'Really? and play some games instead
[22:15]	TR News	KaOS 2022.06 Now Available With KDE Plasma 5.25 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166345#comment-34165
[22:15]	TR Bot	 KaOS 2022.06 | Tux Machines
[22:15]	sp1n	and i must admit, the documentaries about Russia i had seen, influenced my thinking
[22:15]	XRevan86	matey: It's kind of random, it's the year when Medvedev became President of Russia, until 2012.
[22:15]	matey	that doesnt sound TOO random, but you would know
[22:15]	sp1n	insofar, i do not believe the "EU" propaganda rubbish about Russia
[22:15]	matey	/me never checks if XRevan86 makes this stuff up, but hasnt had any reason to doubt yet
[22:15]	XRevan86	Lavrov's fall from grace was gradual, but since I picked 2008 already, might as well use it again.
[22:16]	matey	my focus on russia is still decades earlier
[22:16]	matey	someday i might get to the present, as far as russia goes
[22:16]	XRevan86	No one respects Lavrov now, he's rhetoric is bydlo-like at best.
[22:16]	XRevan86	* his rhetoric
[22:16]	matey	/me doesnt even know who bydlo is, sadly
[22:16]	matey	but thats ok
[22:16]	XRevan86	matey: gopnik then
[22:16]	matey	perhaps shameful, but still ok
[22:16]	matey	oh!
[22:17]	matey	gopnik i know :)
[22:17]	matey	whats the difference between a gopnik and a bydlo
[22:17]	matey	if i knew the answer, this could be a riddle
[22:17]	XRevan86	matey: Well, bydlo is a derogatory term for, well, the uncultured swine.
[22:18]	matey	oh ok
[22:18]	XRevan86	Gopnik is a particular urban subculture.
[22:18]	TR News	PeaZip 8.7 File Archiver Brings Functionality Improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166602
[22:18]	matey	sounds like bydlo is less polite
[22:18]	TR Bot	 PeaZip 8.7 File Archiver Brings Functionality Improvements | Tux Machines
[22:18]	matey	you can say gopnik without getting punched
[22:18]	TR News	What Is Syslinux? The Syslinux Archive File Structure Explained Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166603
[22:18]	TR Bot	 What Is Syslinux? The Syslinux Archive File Structure Explained | Tux Machines
[22:18]	TR News	Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166604
[22:18]	TR Bot	 today's howtos | Tux Machines
[22:18]	XRevan86	matey: Probably.
[22:19]	matey	yeah well, if there was a guarantee, what kind of gopniks would they be
[22:19]	matey	"reform gopnik"
[22:19]	matey	is there a russian equivalent of -lite
[22:20]	XRevan86	Lavrov is trying to sound tough and uses sharp words.
[22:20]	XRevan86	He's not a diplomat at this point.
[22:20]	matey	so, page from trumps book
[22:20]	XRevan86	Lacks the spirit of one for sure.
[22:20]	matey	(which is mein kampf, as everyone knows)
[22:22]	TR News	NOAA Gets 3X More Oomph For Weather Forecasting; It Needs 3,300X https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/06/28/noaa-gets-3x-more-oomph-for-weather-forecasting-it-needs-3300x/ Source: nextplatform
[22:22]	TR Bot	 NOAA Gets 3X More Oomph For Weather Forecasting; It Needs 3,300X
[22:23]	TR News	'Innovation solves problems' says Wealth Manager who lost over half her clients assets in half a year. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/06/28/innovation-solves-problems-says-wealth-manager-who-lost-over-half-her-clients-assets-in-half-a-year/ Source: baronhk
[22:23]	TR Bot	 Innovation solves problems says Wealth Manager who lost over half her clients assets in half a year. BaronHK's Rants
[22:23]	sp1n	anyway, NATO called hundreds of thousands of troops on alert recently
[22:24]	XRevan86	"is there a russian equivalent of -lite" <- Like in "dendrolite"?
[22:24]	matey	like in lite beer
[22:24]	TR News	The Rust Programming Language Blog: Announcing The RustConf PostConf UnConf https://blog.rust-lang.org/2022/06/28/rust-unconference.html
[22:24]	TR Bot	 Announcing The RustConf PostConf UnConf | Rust Blog
[22:24]	TR News	Open Source RISC-V: Serving a Side of Software with Chips Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166605
[22:24]	TR Bot	 Open Source RISC-V: Serving a Side of Software with Chips | Tux Machines
[22:24]	matey	some would go so far as to say "diluted" but "lite"
[22:25]	matey	 is sometimes supposed to be a good thing
[22:25]	XRevan86	matey: Isn't that just a variation on "light"?
[22:25]	matey	of course but its only used in certain situations
[22:25]	matey	where light can be used in all of them
[22:25]	matey	so its technically more specific
[22:25]	XRevan86	Only in the sense of lightweight.
[22:25]	XRevan86	Well, that's just "".
[22:25]	matey	and often means "watered down" either literally or figuratively
[22:26]	matey	so gopnik-
[22:26]	XRevan86	-- :)
[22:26]	TR News	Atmosphere Of A Denver Concert Hall gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1046
[22:26]	XRevan86	on minimum settings, slangy
[22:26]	matey	im sure it looks weird with half roman/half cyrillic
[22:27]	TR News	THE MAN WHO COULD WORK MIRACLES added to library. gemini://gemini.locrian.zone/library/Wells/Miracles.gmi
[22:27]	XRevan86	minimum requirements rather
[22:27]	TR News	"It's the first piece of music that I geniunely liked a lot that's discovered by myself, and it's safe to say that it shaped most of my music taste in the future." gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/music0
[22:28]	matey	/me tries to think if he got "herr DOKTOR" from young frankenstein (cloris leechman)
[22:28]	matey	high anxiety? (still mel brooks and cloris leechman)
[22:28]	matey	(except now shes in something completely risque)
[22:29]	TR News	CVSS v3 9.8 (out of 10!!). Proprietary software strikes again. The media won't mention this as it's not "Open Source" (to spread FUD about) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-03
[22:29]	TR Bot	 Advantech iView | CISA
[22:29]	sp1n	XRevan86: the point is this, i cannot comprehend the insanity anymore myself
[22:30]	TR News	"An attacker obtaining this password could change the network settings of the option board." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-179-02
[22:30]	TR Bot	 Omron SYSMAC CS/CJ/CP Series and NJ/NX Series | CISA
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[22:30]	matey	madeline khan was a goddess
[22:31]	matey	kahn. jewish, not muslim.
[22:31]	TR News	CISA has, in effect, become a mouthpiece of Microsoft or infiltrated by Microsoft moles https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/06/28/cisa-releases-guidance-switching-modern-auth-exchange-online
[22:31]	TR Bot	 CISA Releases Guidance on Switching to Modern Auth in Exchange Online before October 1 | CISA
[22:31]	matey	either way she was amazing
[22:33]	XRevan86	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/06/28/under-the-influence "Russian lawmakers set to pass integrated foreign agents bill, broadening restrictions"
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[22:34]	TR News	BlueMail E-Mail Client Gets a Makeover, Support for Wayland Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166606
[22:34]	TR Bot	 BlueMail E-Mail Client Gets a Makeover, Support for Wayland | Tux Machines
[22:34]	matey	https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tOjH-yoEJe0
[22:34]	TR Bot	 Young Frankenstein (1974) Bloopers & Outtakes - Invidious
[22:34]	matey	"Russian lawmakers set to pass integrated foreign agents bill"
[22:34]	matey	"all spies must register with security officer"-- natasha fatale, rocky and bullwinkle
[22:34]	matey	"were not going to register?"
[22:34]	matey	"whos going to spy? were just going to sabotage"
[22:35]	XRevan86	Putin used to agree that the "foreign agent" law needs rework as it's too easy to abuse.
[22:35]	matey	yes
[22:35]	matey	its best to keep foreign against on a tight leash
[22:35]	XRevan86	And now *everyone* can be deemed a foreign agent, problem solved.
[22:35]	matey	/me throws keyboard out window and just hotwires the usb port
[22:35]	TR News	Microbell openwashing his boss, AMD, even though it's outsourced to Microsoft's PROPRIETARY prison https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-GPUOpen-gpurt
[22:35]	TR Bot	GPUOpen Working On A New "gpurt" Open-Source Project - Phoronix
[22:36]	matey	hey are you looking for a needle? why not ADD MORE HAY
[22:36]	XRevan86	Can't find a juicy Lavrov's quip with English subtitles. Oh well.
[22:36]	TR News	New generation of Armv9 CPUs unleash unprecedented compute power https://community.arm.com/arm-community-blogs/b/announcements/posts/compute-performance-unleashed
[22:36]	TR Bot	 Next-gen Armv9 CPUs unleash compute performance - Announcements - Arm Community blogs - Arm Community
[22:38]	XRevan86	https://nitter.net/TpyxaNews/status/1541892250443124736
[22:38]	TR Bot	 English (@TpyxaNews): "The moment of arrival at shopping mall in Kremenchuk."|nitter
[22:39]	matey	eyegor, would you help me with these bags?
[22:39]	matey	certainly! you take the blonde and ill take the one in the turban!
[22:41]	psydroid2	Microbel didn't have a lot to say about the ARM announcement, maybe he was instructed to do so by his masters
[22:41]	XRevan86	sp1n: ^ Look at this short video, look at it.
[22:41]	psydroid2	the LF/AMD overlords
[22:42]	sp1n	XRevan86: i locked down and out myself of any videos online
[22:42]	XRevan86	sp1n: Look at this particular one.
[22:43]	sp1n	can't, i reject the wester non-free web-crap, got none of this installed to watch online videos
[22:43]	sp1n	if you got a link elsewhere, to wget this, if it is worth the effort
[22:44]	TR News	Links 28/06/2022: Mozilla Thunderbird 102 and EasyOS 4.2.2 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/06/28/easyos-4-2-2-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/06/28/easyos-4-2-2-released/
[22:44]	TR Bot	 Links 28/06/2022: Mozilla Thunderbird 102 and EasyOS 4.2.2 Released | Techrights
[22:44]	XRevan86	sp1n: Will semi-Russian non-free web crap do the trick: https://t.me/truexanewsua/52337 ?
[22:44]	TR Bot	 Telegram: Contact @truexanewsua
[22:44]	TR News	Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166607
[22:44]	TR Bot	 Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
[22:45]	TR News	Fixing test coverage reports in at-spi2-core Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/166608
[22:45]	TR Bot	 Fixing test coverage reports in at-spi2-core | Tux Machines
[22:45]	sp1n	tried with w3m, nothing
[22:46]	Schestowitz-3	XRevan86: terrorussia
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[22:50]	matey	the only thing gene wilder ever argued with mel brooks about was the tapdancing scene in young frankenstein
[22:50]	matey	which was wilders idea (he co-wrote the film)
[22:50]	matey	and to get that scene in, wilder had to argue with brooks for 20 mintues
[22:50]	matey	at which point brooks relented
[22:51]	matey	wilder asked why he put him through that, and brooks said he wasnt sure about it but he knew if he argued for it it was right
[22:52]	matey	whats funny is that brooks said "you tapdance to irving berlin in a top hat and tails with the monster? are you nuts?"
[22:52]	matey	because you know, mel brooks movies dont do such silly things...
[22:52]	matey	or maybe they didnt! imagine if it was gene wilder that made mel brooks as silly as he was after 1974
[22:53]	matey	no robin hood men in tights without wilder, maybe
[22:53]	matey	all for a tapdancing scene
[22:58]	XRevan86	https://i.ibb.co/gM4jwdW/image.jpg Spent some time to figure out where exactly is the camera located, and I think it points into the direction of the mall roughly like this.
[22:58]	XRevan86	So the point where the arrow begins is where the camera approximately is.
[22:58]	XRevan86	And the big building is the mall.
[22:59]	IPFS	IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 43.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 5.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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[23:01]	XRevan86	sp1n: https://yewtu.be/UNenw0zCdsM found this re-upload to YouTube, will this do, with yt-dlp?
[23:01]	TR Bot	 Close up to the moment of the missile hit into Kremenchuk shopping mall - cancelling Russia version - Invidious
[23:01]	XRevan86	https://theins.press/en/news/252657 I'll post this again, as a reminder.
[23:01]	TR Bot	 Russian Defense Ministry confirms strike on Kremenchuk, says ammo explosion caused shopping mall fire
[23:02]	XRevan86	And because this video contradicts the Ministry of War's version, it's officially Fake News in Russia.
[23:02]	matey	do you think this will be figured out definitively, or will it become another "second gunman on the grassy knoll" kind of thing (the jfk shooting)
[23:03]	XRevan86	matey: What do ye mean? It's pretty much figured out already.
[23:04]	XRevan86	And we're just two days in.
[23:05]	XRevan86	matey: The video even confirms the reports that Russia uses anti-ship missiles, because it captures the missile itself.
[23:05]	XRevan86	A bloody Kh-22
[23:06]	XRevan86	That's their definition of high-precision weaponry.
[23:10]	XRevan86	sp1n: https://files.catbox.moe/8d1737.mp4 direct link, hopefully lives long enough.
[23:10]	TR Bot	connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/8d1737.mp4 )
[23:10]	XRevan86	Enjoy.
[23:11]	matey	even confirms the reports that Russia uses anti-ship missiles <- whats special about this?
[23:15]	XRevan86	I should also clarify, there was another missile that did actually hit the factory, and the earlier-released video ( https://nitter.net/TpyxaNews/status/1541749627283701760 ) did in fact capture the strike of that second missile. And one can see the smoke coming the mall at the 33 second mark.
[23:15]	TR Bot	 English (@TpyxaNews): "The moment of the explosion after the missile attack on the Amstor mall in Kremenchuk."|nitter
[23:16]	matey	basically if they gave half a fuck about civilian casualties, they would use something else or at least somewhere else?
[23:16]	XRevan86	https://files.catbox.moe/91d6y5.mp4 a re-upload of that other video, special for sp1n.
[23:16]	TR Bot	connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/91d6y5.mp4 )
[23:17]	matey	but since they dont they just said "heres a good idea, lets launch a ship missile near a mall and hope it hits the factory?"
[23:18]	XRevan86	matey: The special thing is that these missiles are not even designed for on-ground targets.
[23:18]	matey	sounds more and more like iraq
[23:18]	matey	you know in iraq a tank fired at journalists in a hotel?
[23:18]	matey	a tank. at journalists. in a hotel.
[23:18]	matey	an american tank. 
[23:19]	matey	cnn journalists (ok, you can make your own jokes, but make them at the hague at least)
[23:19]	matey	american tank shooting at american journalists
[23:19]	matey	because hotels are VERY important targets
[23:19]	matey	in a war thats not illegal as fuck
[23:22]	XRevan86	matey: Did they respond with saying the tank was actually Ukrainian?
[23:22]	XRevan86	or that it was shot with Ukrainian air defence, and that made it go on a wrong trajectory?
[23:22]	matey	the other day putin was stumbling around drunk, throwing bricks in the general direction of a bear and taunting "come at me bro"
[23:23]	sp1n	XRevan86: reminds me, Ukraine/Zelensky ordered German Artillery Tank-Howitzer 2000 (Panzerhaubitze 2000)
[23:23]	matey	what could possibly go wrong
[23:23]	sp1n	recently, delivered as ordered
[23:23]	XRevan86	sp1n: Reminds how?
[23:23]	XRevan86	sp1n: Did ye process the videos and the Russian Ministry of War's claims?
[23:23]	XRevan86	Did it sink in?
[23:23]	matey	it sank
[23:25]	XRevan86	https://nitter.net/Podolyak_M/status/1541890983146692608 Probably a better link that .
[23:25]	XRevan86	If anyone wants to share it about.
[23:26]	TR Bot	 (@Podolyak_M): ""Absolute terrorism" says @ZelenskyyUa and publishes a video of a deliberate missile strike on the Kremenchuk shopping center with people inside. Russian propaganda always lies: there is no coincidence, it is a deliberate blow to intimidate the population and mass victims."|nitter
[23:29]	XRevan86	"deliberate" <- Again, I personally don't necessarily claim that.
[23:30]	XRevan86	But Russia definitely accepted that these things will inevitably happen and decided to just lie through their teeth every time it does happen.
[23:30]	XRevan86	No responsibility taken whatsoever.
[23:31]	XRevan86	125th day of the invasion, no responsibility.
[23:32]	matey	thats what happens when you put a psycho in charge
[23:33]	XRevan86	The "oh shit, let's be more careful next time" moment is not going to happen, this is not the first time this happened (by far), and sure as heck not the last.
[23:33]	XRevan86	In that sense it is deliberate.
[23:34]	matey	the negligence is deliberate
[23:34]	XRevan86	Yes.
[23:34]	matey	the effects are results of that negligence
[23:34]	matey	you cant say its an innocent mistake if you know the outcome and dont give a shit
[23:35]	matey	like every stupid bully in history
[23:36]	matey	putin and the republicans think they can pull this shit endlessly and never have to answer for it
[23:36]	matey	theyre going to be very surprised when the time comes
[23:36]	XRevan86	Or rather, the negligence being acceptable is deliberate.
[23:37]	XRevan86	"Panzerhaubitze" <- True. So?
[23:38]	sp1n	boom
[23:39]	XRevan86	https://unian.net/war/0-11882238.html some pictures
[23:39]	TR Bot	 Panzerhaubitze 2000 ()