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| DaemonFC[m] | Now Walmart says they want TikTok. | Aug 28 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | lol | Aug 28 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | well, either way, FB apparently played a role | Aug 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | it's a competition | Aug 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | and Trump is their corporate prop | Aug 28 00:24 |
| schestowitz | to destroy a rival | Aug 28 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200824/09521245169/surprise-report-claims-facebook-has-been-driving-white-house-tiktok-animosity.shtml | Aug 28 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surprise: Report Claims Facebook Has Been Driving White House TikTok Animosity | Techdirt | Aug 28 00:25 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, Oracle, Twitter... | Aug 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Walmart now | Aug 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | the CEO has exited | Aug 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | this is sabotage | Aug 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | 'MURICA! | Aug 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | We blackmail companies | Aug 28 00:25 |
| schestowitz | not just govs. | Aug 28 00:25 |
| MinceR | "Corporations are people, my friend!" | Aug 28 00:27 |
| schestowitz | meh | Aug 28 00:38 |
| schestowitz | my corporation! | Aug 28 00:38 |
| schestowitz | people are corporations, my corporation | Aug 28 00:38 |
| schestowitz | bain capital | Aug 28 00:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 00:39 |
| MinceR | corporations are corporations, my corporation! | Aug 28 00:39 |
| XRevan86 | "my pronouns: corp./corp." | Aug 28 00:40 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 00:42 |
| XRevan86 | An Open Source friendly version of the RMS' proposed "pers" pronoun. | Aug 28 00:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 00:44 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | People are people, so why should it be, you and I get along so corporately. | Aug 28 00:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I just didn't realize until recently what a pile of garbage the web actually is these days. | Aug 28 00:54 |
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| schestowitz | it is | Aug 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: what do you use and how? | Aug 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | for me, I minimalised [sic] it all | Aug 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I use mobile-only or curl/wget where possible | Aug 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | they're projected to the command line | Aug 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I post to social control media from kate | Aug 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | not the web interface directly | Aug 28 01:06 |
| schestowitz | I wrote some code to achieve this | Aug 28 01:07 |
| schestowitz | no ads, no "trending" | Aug 28 01:07 |
| schestowitz | I also read my news in kate | Aug 28 01:07 |
| schestowitz | text only | Aug 28 01:07 |
| schestowitz | irc clients can be 20-50k of RAM | Aug 28 01:08 |
| schestowitz | and never noisy, no images in your face, just URLs | Aug 28 01:08 |
| schestowitz | bloated IRC copycats like the matrix-based things and slack (pronounced "sh-it") add lots of noise to the discussions | Aug 28 01:09 |
| schestowitz | in the name of "progress" or "novelty" | Aug 28 01:09 |
| schestowitz | never stopping to think if they detract from what matters | Aug 28 01:09 |
| MinceR | lol @ pronunciation | Aug 28 01:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2019/07/20/slack-is-dead/ | Aug 28 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Slack Committed a Very Major Crime That Can Cost Many Billions If Not Trillions in Damages for Years to Come | Techrights | Aug 28 01:11 | |
| schestowitz | one client of ours uses it | Aug 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz | and I strongly objected to that | Aug 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz | to the point of getting reprimanded by some idiot, who has since then been laid off for being totally and completely incompetent | Aug 28 01:11 |
| schestowitz | so-called 'manager' | Aug 28 01:11 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | When people don't even understand the product or service they sell... | Aug 28 01:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That woman I complained about to Walmart Ethics Hotline got walked out by security today. | Aug 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | common problem | Aug 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | in a lot of ways, but nm... | Aug 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | like LF with "Linux" | Aug 28 01:12 |
| schestowitz | nobody there uses Linux, except few tech staff | Aug 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: did she deserve it though? | Aug 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | maybe you could settle it on better grounds? | Aug 28 01:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: She took a paid leave of absence because she had the Coronavirus and then she was in there talking to people and shooting the shit doing random shopping. | Aug 28 01:13 |
| schestowitz | ah, I see.. | Aug 28 01:14 |
| schestowitz | but not employee | Aug 28 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I called the Ethics Hotline and when she came back to work they informed her that she didn't have a job there anymore. | Aug 28 01:14 |
| schestowitz | don't get people fired in this atmosphere, it's cruel | Aug 28 01:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I have the Coronavirus! Here let me give it to everyone who I talk to so that they can make Lake County an even bigger disaster!" | Aug 28 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Uhm, well, they'll hire someone else. | Aug 28 01:15 |
| MinceR | for the glory of Grandfather Nurgle! | Aug 28 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That person also needs a job, right? | Aug 28 01:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's pretty stupid to say you have a highly infectious disease and need time off work, and then show up to work on your own time to linger around and breathe all over your co-workers. | Aug 28 01:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR? | Aug 28 01:17 |
| MinceR | https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nurgle | Aug 28 01:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wh40k.lexicanum.com | Nurgle - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum | Aug 28 01:17 | |
| schestowitz | Did you confront her about it directly first? | Aug 28 01:18 |
| schestowitz | you could at least avert this unemployment retribution | Aug 28 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People at Walmart were pissed that she was in there. | Aug 28 01:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole point of the policy is you go home for 15 days and don't spread it around, they pay you, and it doesn't count negatively on your attendance record. | Aug 28 01:20 |
| schestowitz | did they confront her? | Aug 28 01:21 |
| schestowitz | the colleagues? | Aug 28 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They asked her to go home and she kept coming back. | Aug 28 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone complained. I'm not sure the Ethics Hotline was WHY they fired her. | Aug 28 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Everyone was angry. | Aug 28 01:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's not like it's a good idea to show up at your spouse's work and start yelling at someone. | Aug 28 01:22 |
| schestowitz | I see | Aug 28 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I don't fit well into the management hierarchy. When I had to discipline someone I was personally annoyed, usually, that I had to take time away from things to do it. | Aug 28 01:23 |
| schestowitz | so that came from colleagues | Aug 28 01:23 |
| schestowitz | (the complaints) | Aug 28 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like, I'd start out, "So, in your own words, tell me why you think we're here.". | Aug 28 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | A lot of it did. | Aug 28 01:23 |
| schestowitz | we have malmarts here too | Aug 28 01:23 |
| schestowitz | they're called ASDA and Sainsburys | Aug 28 01:23 |
| schestowitz | owned by the Waltons | Aug 28 01:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I called WM Ethic because I remembered it from when I worked there. | Aug 28 01:23 |
| schestowitz | they stopped bagging your groceries | Aug 28 01:24 |
| schestowitz | even when you buy the bag | Aug 28 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It really came about because of the bribery scandals. | Aug 28 01:24 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes they barely even offer a cashier any longer | Aug 28 01:24 |
| schestowitz | so we're barely going there anymore, they're greedy and arrogant | Aug 28 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The company newsletter came out saying Tom Coughlin retired and how he'd done a great job for Walmart for many years. | Aug 28 01:24 |
| schestowitz | conceited for profit | Aug 28 01:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then the FBI arrests him because he was taking bribes from Walmart vendors and making decisions about how well their product was featured. | Aug 28 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Before walmart took over sainsburys it was better | Aug 28 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Pepsi was paying him. | Aug 28 01:25 |
| schestowitz | you received actual servie | Aug 28 01:25 |
| schestowitz | not instructions on how to train yourself to serve yourself | Aug 28 01:25 |
| schestowitz | walmart is a symptom of bad things like amazon | Aug 28 01:25 |
| schestowitz | whose warehouse workers are mere propr | Aug 28 01:25 |
| schestowitz | *props | Aug 28 01:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe with handbands soon | Aug 28 01:25 |
| schestowitz | to spy on them, to make it like a competition | Aug 28 01:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Back in the mid 90s, they actually had meat cutters at Walmart. | Aug 28 01:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They voted in a labor union in Texas and then their job didn't exist anymore. In a completely unrelated move, Walmart switched to prepacked meat to increase operations efficiency. :) | Aug 28 01:27 |
| schestowitz | I think they still have it here | Aug 28 01:27 |
| schestowitz | in sainsburys and asda, walmart owned | Aug 28 01:27 |
| schestowitz | i guess they'll use covid as pretext for shutting those down | Aug 28 01:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The UK has been taken over by multinationals I guess. | Aug 28 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Keeping the old name so you don't realize it. | Aug 28 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When Kroger takes over your local grocery chain, they keep the name. | Aug 28 01:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They operate under about 150 different names across the country. | Aug 28 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's impossible to keep track of them all, but I don't know why they do that. All of a sudden it's Kroger brand products, so it's not a secret. | Aug 28 01:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The only places where actual local owned groceries do well are in places that are SO small that the national chains aren't interested, or in places that are so cramped, they don't fit, like most of Chicago. | Aug 28 01:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Target forced their way into Rogers Park along with those horrible CHA micro-apartments, and over the objections of damned near everyone from local businesses to residents who knew what that meant. | Aug 28 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I wonder how well that's working for the city now. Everyone is trying to run like hell, there's no jobs, the riots .... | Aug 28 01:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They have all this "new development" and the people it was intended for aren't even in the city now. | Aug 28 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or won't be soon. | Aug 28 01:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I guess if there's anyone in the city I sympathize with, it's those poor white people in Back of the Yards, you know, a lot of the immigrants are nice too.... | Aug 28 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The south side is a trash can from end to end. | Aug 28 01:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Back of the Yards is like, you know, Irish. | Aug 28 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This whole disaster got started when the city told them there'd be no St. Patrick's Day. | Aug 28 01:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the Irish people informed the mayor otherwise. | Aug 28 01:35 |
| schestowitz | sometimes big biz likes to pretend to be small | Aug 28 01:35 |
| schestowitz | or startup | Aug 28 01:35 |
| schestowitz | like google-youtube (alphabet | Aug 28 01:35 |
| schestowitz | microsoft-github-linkedin | Aug 28 01:35 |
| schestowitz | as calling them just "Microsoft" would scare off "customers" | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | and some people choose to believe the compartmentalisation myth | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | silos | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | YOU tube | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | it's about YOU | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | not Google | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | or the Pentagon | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | or the spying | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | that's just... "Google" | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | nothing to do with youtube | Aug 28 01:36 |
| schestowitz | alphabet is | Aug 28 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Nobody really wants the shutdown. | Aug 28 01:37 |
| MinceR | it was, when it started, before google bought them :> | Aug 28 01:37 |
| schestowitz | who works at alphabet | Aug 28 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's turning into BOTH disasters at once. | Aug 28 01:37 |
| schestowitz | where's the building that says "Alphabet"? | Aug 28 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The restrictions are killing the economy and the virus is mostly spreading as badly as it did in Sweden. | Aug 28 01:37 |
| schestowitz | us will soon be deadlier per capita | Aug 28 01:37 |
| schestowitz | and that's not counting bankruptcies due to medical bills | Aug 28 01:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the economy takes a nose dive a good chunk of the total deaths will be suicides, people not taking care of other medical problems, etc. | Aug 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz | at least sweden has socialised healthcare | Aug 28 01:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Homelessness. | Aug 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz | US has long had that | Aug 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz | not limited to depressed vets | Aug 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz | now you have riots routinely | Aug 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz | they get triggered by racial issues | Aug 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz | but they're about class issues, too | Aug 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz | the media tries to play up the race angle | Aug 28 01:38 |
| schestowitz | the media owned by the rich.. | Aug 28 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, and Trump is fanning the flames and hoping it gets worse so he can use it, politically, to scare the fuck out of people. | Aug 28 01:39 |
| schestowitz | make it all about "property" | Aug 28 01:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Blame Democrats. Suggest it will become routine and there will be no police under Biden. | Aug 28 01:39 |
| schestowitz | as if the protests are to be judged by whether they harm rich people's "property" and "value" | Aug 28 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Well, Obama did not fan the flames | Aug 28 01:39 |
| schestowitz | nothing he said that I can recall INTENDED to anger people | Aug 28 01:40 |
| schestowitz | he protected abusers, but didn't make that blatant | Aug 28 01:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Some people are still buying Trump's bullshit, but the fact that he hasn't even come close in the polls in months tells me that he's losing the argument. | Aug 28 01:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Hillary was like 3-4 points ahead at this time in 2016, and Biden is like 9 points ahead. | Aug 28 01:41 |
| schestowitz | so now he needs to discredit the process | Aug 28 01:41 |
| schestowitz | then refuse to leave | Aug 28 01:41 |
| schestowitz | and reject the results | Aug 28 01:41 |
| schestowitz | as he will | Aug 28 01:41 |
| schestowitz | my dad thinks the same by the way | Aug 28 01:42 |
| schestowitz | he keeps saying the results won't matter | Aug 28 01:42 |
| schestowitz | because the "nazi" is not leaving | Aug 28 01:42 |
| schestowitz | either way, biden won't save the day | Aug 28 01:42 |
| schestowitz | he might slow the erosion somewhat | Aug 28 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think he'll leave. | Aug 28 01:42 |
| schestowitz | the country won't come together | Aug 28 01:42 |
| schestowitz | split and shattered economically | Aug 28 01:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But so much damage has been done that nobody is going to be happy with it. | Aug 28 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump will have millions of people convinced it was rigged. | Aug 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | by January 20th maybe 100 million USians will have had covid-19/20/21 | Aug 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | and its longterm consequences | Aug 28 01:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He'll be on Twitter every day even if he's out of office. | Aug 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | no medicare for all under biden | Aug 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | he canned it officially | Aug 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | silently, sort of, after false promises | Aug 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | same for climate promises | Aug 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | the medical bills will leave people on the streets, evicted | Aug 28 01:43 |
| schestowitz | and no new deal or GND under Biden, either | Aug 28 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The movement of what's left of the Old GOP to endorse Biden has been telling. | Aug 28 01:44 |
| schestowitz | he works for the same people as trump | Aug 28 01:44 |
| schestowitz | the "owners of the country" as Carlin called them | Aug 28 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whether they convince many Republicans to abandon Trump at all is sort of up in the air. | Aug 28 01:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 9% of Republicans polled say they'll vote for Biden, compared to 4% of Democrats saying they'll vote for Trump. | Aug 28 01:44 |
| schestowitz | I hope trumpism doesn't spread to more countries | Aug 28 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The president doesn't really have any role in our elections. | Aug 28 01:45 |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/views/2020/08/26/voting-biden-without-lying-yourself | Aug 28 01:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | He can't change the date. | Aug 28 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Voting for Biden Without Lying to Yourself | Common Dreams Views | Aug 28 01:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | He can't command the states to do anything. | Aug 28 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Electoral College votes whether he wants them to or not. | Aug 28 01:46 |
| schestowitz | https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/26/despite-dnc-focus-winning-biden-republicans-new-poll-suggests-beating-trump-all | Aug 28 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Despite DNC Focus on Winning 'Biden Republicans,' New Poll Suggests Beating Trump 'All About Democratic Turnout' | Common Dreams News | Aug 28 01:46 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The counting of the votes happens at a joint session of Congress. If they can't decide, Congress does. | Aug 28 01:46 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His term expires on January 20th whether he wants it to or not. | Aug 28 01:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | About all he can do is try to cause trouble. | Aug 28 01:47 |
| schestowitz | start a war | Aug 28 01:47 |
| schestowitz | some suspect iran might be the "october surprise" again | Aug 28 01:47 |
| schestowitz | like during raegan | Aug 28 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That didn't help the incumbent. | Aug 28 01:48 |
| schestowitz | some 'false flag' can do | Aug 28 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The crisis at the embassy, the hostage taking, that took place while Carter was in office. | Aug 28 01:48 |
| schestowitz | get some carrier somewhere painted as victim of aggression | Aug 28 01:48 |
| schestowitz | lob in some missiles into Persian territory | Aug 28 01:48 |
| schestowitz | and off you go | Aug 28 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | His approval rating plummeted because of the Iran Hostage Crisis. | Aug 28 01:48 |
| schestowitz | unless nato allies condemn the US | Aug 28 01:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They already have. | Aug 28 01:49 |
| schestowitz | which didn't happen enough under bush before iraq invasion | Aug 28 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They walked away from that UN vote and didn't even vote one way or the other on it. | Aug 28 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The UK has had a lot of wag the dog stuff too. | Aug 28 01:49 |
| schestowitz | ok, enough politics for now | Aug 28 01:49 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Falklands War | Aug 28 01:50 |
| schestowitz | I posted a request for docs in Jones case | Aug 28 01:50 |
| schestowitz | did you see that, it was yesterday...? | Aug 28 01:50 |
| schestowitz | I want to start working on further article | Aug 28 01:50 |
| schestowitz | we might soon also crosspost with a new activist/partner | Aug 28 01:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Ryan is low on money." | Aug 28 01:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, that's what bankruptcy is. | Aug 28 01:52 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least I can emerge and hopefully not get smacked down that hard ever again. | Aug 28 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I told Mandy to limit the funds in our joint account until this officially gets gaveled shut by the court, but that might be another month. | Aug 28 01:53 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's actually....perfectly legal. It's not my money until it's in my account. | Aug 28 01:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Talked to my lawyer about it. | Aug 28 01:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: you will like the next meme | Aug 28 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I just didn't feel I could wait much longer. They all charged off my cards and sold them to collection trolls. | Aug 28 01:55 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I trolled the trolls. Waited for the sale to happen and then filed bankruptcy against them. | Aug 28 01:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/vaccine-development.jpg | Aug 28 01:56 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I have all the vaccinations the CDC recommended. | Aug 28 01:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Although I had to get immunized against Hepatitis A recently because that one didn't come out widely until the 90s. | Aug 28 01:57 |
| schestowitz | BTW, you are mentioned here http://techrights.org/2020/08/25/vaccination-is-good/ | Aug 28 01:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Vaccination is Good, Monopolies Are Not Good | Techrights | Aug 28 01:57 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | The only reason I didn't get the Hepatitis A vaccine is because it didn't come to my attention that I didn't get it as a child. | Aug 28 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It still exists in the US, there's occasional outbreaks, mostly around fast food. | Aug 28 01:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/dictators-alike/ | Aug 28 01:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Dictators and Their ‘Solutions’ | Techrights | Aug 28 01:58 | |
| schestowitz | see if you can spot errors | Aug 28 01:58 |
| schestowitz | could have gone with "TwoDictators" | Aug 28 01:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's ridiculous to be skeptical of well established vaccines that were researched and developed on an appropriate timeline. | Aug 28 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's quite a legitimate concern that Trump could "release something from the lab" with all the quality control that went into the Russian one, as his attempt to win an election. | Aug 28 01:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | For COVID-19. | Aug 28 02:00 |
| schestowitz | haha | Aug 28 02:00 |
| schestowitz | see if I have typos in there | Aug 28 02:00 |
| schestowitz | It's more like draft | Aug 28 02:00 |
| schestowitz | I still reread it | Aug 28 02:00 |
| schestowitz | 12 covid deaths today in uk | Aug 28 02:04 |
| schestowitz | france up to 32 | Aug 28 02:04 |
| schestowitz | us looks insane in comparison | Aug 28 02:04 |
| schestowitz | in absence of proper testing, with many dying at home without diagnosis | Aug 28 02:04 |
| schestowitz | 1,128 today | Aug 28 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Europe+Russia today: 371 | Aug 28 02:05 |
| schestowitz | with 121 of them in Russia | Aug 28 02:05 |
| schestowitz | so about 250 in Europe | Aug 28 02:05 |
| schestowitz | not just EU | Aug 28 02:05 |
| schestowitz | and Trumpsters pat themselves on the back | Aug 28 02:05 |
| schestowitz | Ukraine 49 | Aug 28 02:05 |
| schestowitz | 36 yesterday | Aug 28 02:05 |
| schestowitz | spain 47, then 25 | Aug 28 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You're getting better. | Aug 28 02:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nothing jumps out at me. | Aug 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | still nowhere near as bad as even one US state | Aug 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: this was a short one | Aug 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | thanks for checking | Aug 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | I got some debian leaks | Aug 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | but need clearance first | Aug 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | seems like the corporations disguise themselves | Aug 28 02:06 |
| schestowitz | to oust people | Aug 28 02:07 |
| schestowitz | as one might expect | Aug 28 02:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump desperately wants to sell the false narrative that COVID-19 isn't a big deal and that we're winning and that it's basically over. | Aug 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | cult tactics | Aug 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | and it's all "fake news" | Aug 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | so ignore facts that don't sound good | Aug 28 02:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In fact, we've done worse at responding to it than any country in the world, maybe even including the third world if their figures are accurate, but certainly among the worst. | Aug 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | scientology uses the same tactics | Aug 28 02:08 |
| schestowitz | to avert people exploring adverse views | Aug 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | or facts | Aug 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | so they get stuck in the cult mindset | Aug 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Islam does this with blasphemy | Aug 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | and apostasy | Aug 28 02:09 |
| schestowitz | it's heresy to not have blind faith, perpetually | Aug 28 02:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, people are only now really starting to give up on that in the US, and it's lopsided. | Aug 28 02:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You know, the "godless liberals in the city who do all sorts of wicked shit", certainly unlike Falwell Jr. watching his wive's sexual Olympics with god only knows how many pool boys. | Aug 28 02:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least two, so far, that we know of. While he was sexting with university students that were like 18. | Aug 28 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Then showing their nudes off to his friends. | Aug 28 02:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Nobody running the school cared because he was raking in the money, and that's all they care about. | Aug 28 02:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's kind of funny, really. I asked dad what he thought of Kolfage and Bannon, and he says they need to go to prison. I asked what he thought about Falwell Jr. and he goes "Nasty SOB who should be ashamed of himself.". I ask him, "So can you tell me why everyone around Trump goes to prison and after everything we've found out about Trump, you still support this?". | Aug 28 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Oh, because we need a wall for Mexicans to saw through apparently. | Aug 28 02:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I'm of the personal opinion that people who like or don't mind their spouse having sex with others are just either in a sham marriage or their marriage is basically over and for some reason they don't want a divorce. | Aug 28 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because who in their right mind would want to watch a string of younger men have unprotected sex with their wife? | Aug 28 02:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I was never married to John (thank goodness). Illinois has the legal concept of support for former partner, but you have to sue them and it's not at all clear that you'll win, or will be able to attach it to anything. | Aug 28 02:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it made more sense to file bankruptcy to severe financial ties with him. | Aug 28 02:19 |
| schestowitz | let's get back on topic | Aug 28 02:19 |
| schestowitz | I have an archive of emails | Aug 28 02:19 |
| schestowitz | ages ago.. maybe 17 years ago | Aug 28 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Liberty University stories just keep coming. | Aug 28 02:19 |
| schestowitz | I used to routinely use software to convert these to html | Aug 28 02:19 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if it is still compatible with latest ruby | Aug 28 02:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's important because Falwell was one of the people being listened to by Evangelicals when he supported Trump. | Aug 28 02:19 |
| schestowitz | it was processing mbox through | Aug 28 02:19 |
| schestowitz | this one is formatted differently | Aug 28 02:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: the falwell thing isn't relevant to us | Aug 28 02:20 |
| schestowitz | I need simple software to convert plain email (eml) to html | Aug 28 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose the Twitter angle might be, but for once it wasn't a victim of a hacking. He uploaded what started this himself. | Aug 28 02:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "mbox" | Aug 28 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Internally, GMail uses that format. | Aug 28 02:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe the mail client can do a decent job at it | Aug 28 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's kind of funny that they only had to hand the police one file and it's in that format. | Aug 28 02:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.zamzar.com/convert/eml-to-html/ | Aug 28 02:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zamzar.com | EML to HTML - Convert your EML to HTML for Free Online | Aug 28 02:22 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | If there's nothing sensitive in them, I guess. | Aug 28 02:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://listoffreeware.com/free-eml-to-msg-converter-software-windows/ | Aug 28 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-listoffreeware.com | 7 Best Free EML to MSG Converter Software For Windows | Aug 28 02:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some of these could probably work in Wine. | Aug 28 02:24 |
| schestowitz | evolution does not have html export option | Aug 28 02:25 |
| schestowitz | I have many files | Aug 28 02:25 |
| schestowitz | doing it online would take too long, one at a time | Aug 28 02:25 |
| schestowitz | I need headers properly formatted, those are plain text emails | Aug 28 02:25 |
| schestowitz | evolution still seems primitive on debian buster | Aug 28 02:26 |
| schestowitz | hm... | Aug 28 02:28 |
| schestowitz | kmail cannot properly export either | Aug 28 02:28 |
| schestowitz | didn't check thunderbird | Aug 28 02:28 |
| schestowitz | but I don't want to mess with it as my production mail cient | Aug 28 02:28 |
| schestowitz | MhonArch is what I used ages ago | Aug 28 02:28 |
| schestowitz | wow, it's still around https://www.mhonarc.org/ | Aug 28 02:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mhonarc.org | MHonArc Home Page | Aug 28 02:29 | |
| schestowitz | "v2.6.19 released: Bug fixes. More information available in CHANGES and the v2.6.19 bug fix report." | Aug 28 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Desktop email clients have kind of hit the skids. | Aug 28 02:29 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 28 02:29 |
| schestowitz | clown computing | Aug 28 02:29 |
| schestowitz | and 'instant messaging' | Aug 28 02:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Most people using webmail. Mitchell Baker said Firefox developers were "paying tax" to keep Thunderbird around. | Aug 28 02:29 |
| schestowitz | evolution looks ugly | Aug 28 02:29 |
| schestowitz | well, she lacks tact | Aug 28 02:30 |
| schestowitz | shows what she thinks of mozilla | Aug 28 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you make software assuming that your users are idiots, eventually only idiots will want to use your software. | Aug 28 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | See: Apple | Aug 28 02:30 |
| schestowitz | The following NEW packages will be installed: | Aug 28 02:30 |
| schestowitz | mhonarc | Aug 28 02:30 |
| schestowitz | 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 82 not upgraded. | Aug 28 02:30 |
| schestowitz | it's still packaged for debian | Aug 28 02:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That means Ubuntu probably has it. | Aug 28 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I hardly even remember how to use it | Aug 28 02:31 |
| schestowitz | looking for my old scripts now | Aug 28 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's less of an effort to use Kubuntu than it is to use KDE on Debian. Debian didn't care for ease of install last I knew. | Aug 28 02:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Also, it's not straight up compatible at a binary level with Ubuntu, which matters sometimes. | Aug 28 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Steam works on other distributions, but they only really care that things work on Ubuntu. | Aug 28 02:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Fedora managed to break a lot of Steam games for a while, simply by optimizing their i686 libraries to assume SSE2. | Aug 28 02:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Valve refused to fix it on their end, so the optimizations got rolled back in Fedora. | Aug 28 02:33 |
| schestowitz | I literally have not used this code in over a decade | Aug 28 02:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the mean time, Aspyr got back to me by closing my support ticket and saying try it on Ubuntu. | Aug 28 02:34 |
| schestowitz | /home/roy/Main/Programs/HTML_Tools/Google_UseNet_Mail# ls | Aug 28 02:34 |
| schestowitz | author.rc daygroup.rc lists-mail.txt lists-ng.txt lists.txt lists.txt~ message.rc RunMHonarc threads.rc | Aug 28 02:34 |
| schestowitz | it expects mbox | Aug 28 02:39 |
| schestowitz | can you find tools for turning emls, linking them into an mbox? | Aug 28 02:43 |
| schestowitz | basically reassembling disparate mails? | Aug 28 02:43 |
| schestowitz | based on headers? | Aug 28 02:43 |
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| oarion7 | https://ryanthomas.org/posts/an-open-letter-to-russell-brand.html | Aug 28 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-RyanThomas.org - An Open Letter to Russell Brand | Aug 28 02:45 | |
| schestowitz | I found some python program for it | Aug 28 02:49 |
| schestowitz | let's see how it goes | Aug 28 02:49 |
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| schestowitz | OK, done | Aug 28 02:52 |
| schestowitz | 95 messages | Aug 28 02:52 |
| schestowitz | uploading | Aug 28 02:52 |
| schestowitz | done http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/Debian-private/threads.html | Aug 28 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Debian private | Aug 28 02:59 | |
| schestowitz | this would make for lots of journalism... | Aug 28 03:10 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you check this with me, please? http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/daniel-baumann-debian-private/ | Aug 28 03:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Leak: How Debian Leadership Bullied Daniel Baumann and Why | Techrights | Aug 28 03:24 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | "personal site not because it fits there but because of my workflow publishing mbox files or reassembling pertinent E-mails of interest." | Aug 28 03:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | personal site. Not because it fits there, but | Aug 28 03:27 |
| schestowitz | cheers. edited. | Aug 28 03:30 |
| schestowitz | https://debian.community/debian-blackmail-thought-reform-quickstart/ | Aug 28 03:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Debian blackmail and Thought Reform Quickstart | Aug 28 03:33 | |
| schestowitz | "The prison of shame described in this article is a dangerous technique well known in psychological warfare (PsyOps). Victims of shaming, blackmail and rape have all been known to suffer similar consequences, up to and including suicides." | Aug 28 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we'll reproduce some stories soon | Aug 28 03:33 |
| schestowitz | this is a real problem not just in Debian | Aug 28 03:33 |
| schestowitz | https://debian.community/enrico-zini-falsified-harassment-claims/ | Aug 28 03:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Enrico Zini & Debian: falsified harassment claims | Aug 28 03:34 | |
| schestowitz | "It is not uncommon in Italy for low-ranking officials such as magistrates, police chiefs and one of the Debian Account Managers to put justice on the back-burner and put their family interests first. In one of the more bizarre cases, a parish priest in south Italy agreed to divert a traditional procession to pass the home of a mafia boss just as rogue elements of the Debian community have hijacked the cause of diversity to justify a | Aug 28 03:34 |
| schestowitz | culture of blackmail." | Aug 28 03:34 |
| schestowitz | "The explosive emails reveal that Zini was secretly sending out messages to the media lobbying them to change their reporting to reflect the position preferred by accusers.' | Aug 28 03:34 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> Dear Roy, | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> I have recently come across a very concerning article; I'm | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> writing you this email to notify you about it. | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/25/linux_kernel_email/ | Aug 28 03:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Relying on plain-text email is a 'barrier to entry' for kernel development, says Linux Foundation board member • The Register | Aug 28 03:39 | |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> This is a blatant push by Microsoft shackle Linux kernel | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> development to its GitHub platform. | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> I believe an article from you about how email is the | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> "freeest" and most flexible platform for submitting Git | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> patches for any open source project would do the Linux | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> community much good. | Aug 28 03:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:01] <schestowitz> Best wishes, | Aug 28 03:39 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Now instead of just losing years worth of commit logs if nobody can clone and mirror in real time, we can lose all the discussion that went around every commit too if Microsoft wants that. | Aug 28 03:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if someone does mirror a project, if you lose the original you don't necessarily know that the clone hasn't been altered somehow. | Aug 28 03:46 |
| schestowitz | yup | Aug 28 03:47 |
| schestowitz | and worse | Aug 28 03:47 |
| schestowitz | github is also bug tracker | Aug 28 03:47 |
| schestowitz | and lots more, with "likes" and stuff | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | social media type BS | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | the 'latch' | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | anyway, we'll keep on top of this | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | in the reporting sense | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds says "no" | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | but he doesn't have the last word | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | he can be blackmailed like he was 2 years ago | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | threats | Aug 28 03:48 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Selected_Mail/2020/Debian-private/msg00074.html | Aug 28 03:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Re: Call for moderation and mediation: debian-live vs. debian-live-ng | Aug 28 03:49 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | What alarmed me more was that Daniel (apparently) has sufficient | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | control over the infrastructure of the live support that he can | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | threaten to completely disable it in a timeframe of his choosing. It is | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | this which has caused the largest reaction from users of debian-live. | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | The actual arrival of code to replace live-build was the trigger. Some | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | level of reaction from Daniel was expected but there was no expectation | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | that the debian-live project itself was at risk. Indeed, we expressly | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | used live-boot and live-config in the wrapper code because those | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | bits work. | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 03:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: can you read another? | Aug 28 04:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, sorry. | Aug 28 04:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Was picking Mandy up at work. | Aug 28 04:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: If the Linux developers want to do something like github, they should do a self-host of gitlab. | Aug 28 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Like GNOME does. | Aug 28 04:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I was pleased to see they transitioned to gitlab, not github, and self-hosted on the "open source" version. | Aug 28 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Seems the GNOME developers are smart enough to at least stay away from github. | Aug 28 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There was a mass exodus when Microsoft bought it that should have been bigger than it was. | Aug 28 04:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Your project is under numerous threats, including abuse of the DMCA. | Aug 28 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Filing frivolous DMCA complaints is a felony, but that has never stopped them since it's unenforced. | Aug 28 04:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If you knowingly file one that is untrue, it can be prosecuted. | Aug 28 04:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: quick: http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/commoditisation-wars/ | Aug 28 04:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Reminder: Bill Gates Has Long Hated Linux and Schemed to Use C# to Undermine GNU/Linux (Same Tactics Prevail to This Day) | Techrights | Aug 28 04:26 | |
| schestowitz | 10 secs ago | Aug 28 04:26 |
| schestowitz | [04:22] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: If the Linux developers want to do something like github, they should do a self-host of gitlab. | Aug 28 04:26 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking that too | Aug 28 04:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: see if you can find typos, I am still checking also | Aug 28 04:27 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Sorry, had to go check on dinner. | Aug 28 04:39 |
| schestowitz | it does backups now | Aug 28 04:40 |
| schestowitz | might be hard to access site | Aug 28 04:40 |
| schestowitz | if you can look over it, maybe we can improve it | Aug 28 04:41 |
| schestowitz | I meanwhile work on another post | Aug 28 04:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "alone (just yesterday alone)" | Aug 28 04:42 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I noticed it sounded odd | Aug 28 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | BeOS was actually fairly advanced for its time. I used to get excited when I saw that happening, and then invested time and money into a platform to watch inferior rivals crush it. Sega's Dreamcast was leaps and bounds better than the Sony Playstation 2 and arrived on the market more than a year earlier. Didn't help them. | Aug 28 04:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of Sega's mistakes was the dual OS system where one was a version of Windows CE. They let Microsoft use them as a prototype for DirectX and a Windows-style kernel on gaming platforms, and then abandoned them. | Aug 28 04:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You could always tell when a game used Windows CE because it played like shit. There were a few very clunky games that I remember, including one of those Tom Clancy ones. | Aug 28 04:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The native OS was much more capable. | Aug 28 04:45 |
| schestowitz | did winCE turn into anything? | Aug 28 04:47 |
| schestowitz | is windows 'embedded' still really around? | Aug 28 04:47 |
| schestowitz | (excepty legacy) | Aug 28 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If Sega worked with 3dFX and ignored the Windows CE misadventure and made better attempts at third party contracts, they could have been more with the Dreamcast. | Aug 28 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Windows CE isn't currently on anything that I'm aware of. | Aug 28 04:47 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The whole point was that embedded hardware needed such a small OS, and Windows CE was just Windows-like, but it was not Windows compatible. | Aug 28 04:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It pared down the API substantially. It had a porting kit and a HAL so that it could be customized by the vendor. | Aug 28 04:48 |
| schestowitz | hmmm.. another rainy day today | Aug 28 04:49 |
| schestowitz | no run | Aug 28 04:49 |
| schestowitz | you know, the gym did not inform us they had reopened | Aug 28 04:49 |
| schestowitz | they apparently told nobody | Aug 28 04:49 |
| schestowitz | they sent us an email about changing rooms | Aug 28 04:49 |
| schestowitz | and we were like, "what?" | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | so we phoned up, turned out they re-opened a week ago (again), didn't bother telling members | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | then again, the manager had left | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | when the lock-down started | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | so they're in disarray | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | and lack coordination | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | we'll come back there money | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | monday | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | and make use of the money we paid | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | a year upfront | Aug 28 04:50 |
| schestowitz | seems like people no longer go to gym | Aug 28 04:51 |
| schestowitz | not worth the risk to them | Aug 28 04:51 |
| schestowitz | but then that means the gyms became rather empty | Aug 28 04:51 |
| schestowitz | to the point where risk of contact is vastly reduced | Aug 28 04:51 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I'd use disinfectant on the equipment anyway. | Aug 28 04:51 |
| schestowitz | I really need to figure out how to reduce cpu overhead of server monitoring | Aug 28 04:52 |
| schestowitz | I switch it off when it does backups | Aug 28 04:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: yes, they have the sanitiser, towels etc. They also clean it a lot with vapour themselves. | Aug 28 04:53 |
| schestowitz | I think some of our muscle tissue turned to fats | Aug 28 04:53 |
| schestowitz | same weight, not same firmness | Aug 28 04:53 |
| schestowitz | and we're not alone | Aug 28 04:53 |
| schestowitz | few people had access to proper gym equipment | Aug 28 04:54 |
| schestowitz | though I appear to have lost no strength almost | Aug 28 04:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | According to Wikipedia, Microsoft doesn't have support for building Windows CE applications in Visual Studio anymore. | Aug 28 04:54 |
| schestowitz | for athletes it's tragic | Aug 28 04:54 |
| schestowitz | they won't be breaking any personal records for quite some time, if ever... | Aug 28 04:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: maybe VS itself will be canned | Aug 28 04:54 |
| schestowitz | their CV 'code' BS is a desperate effort to grab people from other platform | Aug 28 04:55 |
| schestowitz | or platforms | Aug 28 04:55 |
| schestowitz | seeing that few still favour Windows | Aug 28 04:55 |
| schestowitz | mostly gnu/linux, some 'macs' | Aug 28 04:55 |
| schestowitz | last I saw stats anyway | Aug 28 04:56 |
| schestowitz | depends who you ask and what they measure among which deb community | Aug 28 04:57 |
| schestowitz | for web devs I doubt many bother with vista19 | Aug 28 04:57 |
| schestowitz | *10 | Aug 28 04:57 |
| schestowitz | it has nothing to offer | Aug 28 04:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, scare the developers off because fewer of them can even pretend Windows is usable these days. | Aug 28 04:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When it randomly won't boot or trashes your file system or your firmware because that month's update is out and you can't say no.... | Aug 28 04:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Gets old. | Aug 28 04:58 |
| schestowitz | I am trying to hook up with some other site | Aug 28 04:58 |
| schestowitz | I think we have some great stories coming | Aug 28 04:58 |
| schestowitz | but we need more collaboration, cross-collab | Aug 28 04:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: only reason for vista10 is, "well, the PC came with it..." | Aug 28 04:58 |
| schestowitz | haha, maybe billG can come up with a plan | Aug 28 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I talked to my dad and he said "Windows 10 is their worst one yet. Only one person at work uses it on his laptop and it's constantly causing trouble.". | Aug 28 04:59 |
| schestowitz | "buy vaccine, get Windows FREE" | Aug 28 04:59 |
| schestowitz | bundling | Aug 28 04:59 |
| schestowitz | he's "good" at it | Aug 28 04:59 |
| schestowitz | get digital password+copy of Vista10 Basic Edition (Starter)+4 doses of BillVac | Aug 28 04:59 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "I give you my Word. Which comes bundled with my web browser!". -Bill Gates (Office 97 joke) | Aug 28 05:00 |
| schestowitz | well, technically | Aug 28 05:00 |
| schestowitz | they did bundle office with html | Aug 28 05:00 |
| schestowitz | in a number of ways | Aug 28 05:00 |
| schestowitz | and not because it was necessary | Aug 28 05:01 |
| schestowitz | and html was becoming Office | Aug 28 05:01 |
| schestowitz | lots of crap of Microsoft disguised as html | Aug 28 05:01 |
| schestowitz | which only MSIE worked with, naturally... | Aug 28 05:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, the utilities that removed IE and Trident removed a lot of other crap, but you also lost the Windows Help system. | Aug 28 05:02 |
| schestowitz | The old setup (flawed for many reasons, changed a lot since) http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/Working-From-Home-Lock-Down/20200424_084338 | Aug 28 05:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The old Hyperhelp stuff still worked though. | Aug 28 05:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | 20200424 084338 | Aug 28 05:02 | |
| schestowitz | rianne's 'phone' | Aug 28 05:02 |
| schestowitz | which is not a phone | Aug 28 05:02 |
| schestowitz | it does not have a phone number | Aug 28 05:02 |
| schestowitz | does not connect to the tower | Aug 28 05:02 |
| schestowitz | only local wi-fi | Aug 28 05:02 |
| schestowitz | so it's like a tablet+camera | Aug 28 05:02 |
| schestowitz | wow, 221 deaths in texas today (us time) | Aug 28 05:04 |
| schestowitz | that's like all of europe combined | Aug 28 05:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Even phones that aren't active have to work with 911. | Aug 28 05:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So even with no service (or bill), you can still reach emergency services. | Aug 28 05:07 |
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| schestowitz | can they reach her? | Aug 28 05:10 |
| schestowitz | I joked, | Aug 28 05:10 |
| schestowitz | I told her... , | Aug 28 05:10 |
| schestowitz | they can activate it remotely just for spies | Aug 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | if so they wish | Aug 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | and use the back doors on it | Aug 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | without relying on packets over wifi | Aug 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | but the tower | Aug 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | but she wants to keep the device for voip calls and photos (her online shop) | Aug 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | those devices are really unfit for purpose | Aug 28 05:11 |
| schestowitz | they're easy to remotely control | Aug 28 05:12 |
| schestowitz | and by design, too | Aug 28 05:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | People are like that too. | Aug 28 05:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My mom lives in a constant state of fear because of Facebook and Fox News. | Aug 28 05:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy's family is like that too. They got mad when I said, "Paranoia is a way of life for you people, isn't it?". | Aug 28 05:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They make people too afraid to go outside or talk to the neighbors even. | Aug 28 05:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They've been told that buying shit is the only worth you have and that other people only want to rape you and steal your shit. | Aug 28 05:19 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: see this http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/against-inclusion-spun-as-ethical/ | Aug 28 05:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Is It Ethical to Exclude Particular People From Using Free Programs (and Are These Programs Still Free Then)? | Techrights | Aug 28 05:29 | |
| schestowitz | no spellcheker in gimp | Aug 28 05:29 |
| schestowitz | so maybe some typos in the image | Aug 28 05:29 |
| schestowitz | I hope not | Aug 28 05:29 |
| schestowitz | the last part refers to an incident | Aug 28 05:31 |
| schestowitz | contemplation of suicide | Aug 28 05:31 |
| schestowitz | by throwing oneself at the train | Aug 28 05:31 |
| schestowitz | by her own admission | Aug 28 05:31 |
| schestowitz | instead turning into a troll | Aug 28 05:31 |
| schestowitz | and trolling the FS community | Aug 28 05:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I think "To whom?" would be more appropriate. | Aug 28 05:34 |
| schestowitz | ahhh | Aug 28 05:34 |
| schestowitz | too tricky to change now | Aug 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz | gimp | Aug 28 05:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | LOL | Aug 28 05:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Proprietary software is very ethical. It hides what it is doing from the user so as to have total control of them. | Aug 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | notice they talk not at all about it | Aug 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | just "open source" | Aug 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | like firms that warn about holes | Aug 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | not back doors | Aug 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | or GPL violations | Aug 28 05:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When the user tries to get rid of a common proprietary operating system, it does the very ethical thing, and uses malware in the BIOS to make itself impossible to replace. | Aug 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | not EULAs | Aug 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | just ignore all that proprietary stuff | Aug 28 05:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Lenovo/Apple/Who knows who else? | Aug 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz | the "ethics" mask is misleading here | Aug 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | it's an attack on the very core and premise of BOTH FD def | Aug 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | and OS def | Aug 28 05:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, this is all necessary because the proprietary operating system is built to the most stringent ethical and technical standards, but just in case you thought about leaving.....nice try. | Aug 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | inventing some bizarre new thing | Aug 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | to appease so-called 'activists' | Aug 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | with no track record of activism that I am aware of | Aug 28 05:37 |
| schestowitz | what have they ever accomplished? | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | nothing | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | self-described activists | Aug 28 05:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Unnamed because they don't exist. | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | activists don't even call THEMSELVEs that | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | like smart people not showing off "IQ" | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | (like Trump does) | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | paid some dude to sit his SATs | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | must be some kind of crime | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | if one could hold him accountable | Aug 28 05:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I knew managers who would pull people into the office and instead of saying "I witnessed you do this." they would say, "We've had some people come to us and say that you did that.". | Aug 28 05:38 |
| schestowitz | second-hand | Aug 28 05:39 |
| schestowitz | and fake quantity | Aug 28 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, when you asked, "Well gee, I'm sorry that upset them. To whom should I apologize?". | Aug 28 05:39 |
| schestowitz | they don't say how many people | Aug 28 05:39 |
| schestowitz | just pluralism | Aug 28 05:39 |
| schestowitz | and no direct evidence | Aug 28 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They'd say, "Well, we'd like to keep that confidential.". | Aug 28 05:39 |
| schestowitz | hearsay, magnified | Aug 28 05:39 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's always "everyone" complained and "nobody" complained. | Aug 28 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's hard to direct your anger about it that way, so you give up. | Aug 28 05:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's all this article is. | Aug 28 05:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They won't say who was offended or who complained, because nobody did. | Aug 28 05:41 |
| schestowitz | The next post will be fun | Aug 28 05:46 |
| schestowitz | it's a video clip | Aug 28 05:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: take a look http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/all-about-jim/ | Aug 28 05:52 |
| schestowitz | it will amuse you | Aug 28 05:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | All About Me, Who Doesn’t Even Use GNU/Linux | Techrights | Aug 28 05:52 | |
| schestowitz | I could add the part where he talks about his kid | Aug 28 05:52 |
| schestowitz | but it's unfair to the kid, a toddler at the time | Aug 28 05:53 |
| schestowitz | so I'm leaving that out | Aug 28 05:53 |
| schestowitz | truly tactless | Aug 28 05:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: also this one: http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/why-git/ | Aug 28 06:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linus Torvalds Explains Git (Not GitHub, the E.E.E. Against Git, Now Controlled 100% by Microsoft) | Techrights | Aug 28 06:14 | |
| schestowitz | am still checking the English again | Aug 28 06:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Looks okay. | Aug 28 06:27 |
| schestowitz | [06:26] <schestowitz> Need further help: | Aug 28 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [06:26] <schestowitz> can we find out original net worth of the Bill Gates parents? | Aug 28 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [06:26] <schestowitz> (at the time) | Aug 28 06:30 |
| schestowitz | [06:27] <schestowitz> hard to go this far back in time, I know.. | Aug 28 06:31 |
| schestowitz | [06:30] <schestowitz> Thanks | Aug 28 06:31 |
| schestowitz | I put that in the wrong channel by accident | Aug 28 06:31 |
| schestowitz | thanks, DaemonFC[m] | Aug 28 06:31 |
| schestowitz | how would one go about checking wealth backwards? | Aug 28 06:31 |
| schestowitz | set aside calculating its worth 60 years ago? | Aug 28 06:31 |
| schestowitz | maxwells | Aug 28 06:31 |
| schestowitz | and gates sr.. | Aug 28 06:32 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Maxwell_Gates | Aug 28 06:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mary Maxwell Gates - Wikipedia | Aug 28 06:32 | |
| schestowitz | let's see if refs can help here | Aug 28 06:32 |
| schestowitz | "Mary Ann Maxwell was born in Seattle, Washington on July 5, 1929, to James Willard Maxwell (Nebraska, 1901–1960), a banker[4], and his wife, whom he married in c. 1927, Adele Thompson (c. 1903–1987, probably born in Enumclaw, Washington).[5][6] Her grandfather, James Willard Maxwell (1864–1951), was president of the National City Bank in Seattle from 1911 to 1929 and a director of the Seattle branch of the Federal Reserve Bank | Aug 28 06:33 |
| schestowitz | of San Francisco. " | Aug 28 06:33 |
| schestowitz | Very few refs there, if any | Aug 28 06:33 |
| schestowitz | "While at Washington he joined the Chi Psi fraternity. He co-founded Shidler & King in 1964, which later became Preston Gates & Ellis LLP (PGE). " | Aug 28 06:34 |
| schestowitz | Very very hard to figure out wealth going this far back | Aug 28 06:34 |
| schestowitz | without book form literature | Aug 28 06:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://finance.yahoo.com/news/farmer-support-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-china-193223834.html | Aug 28 06:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-finance.yahoo.com | Some farmers turn on Trump amid coronavirus pandemic and China tensions | Aug 28 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's support among farmers is down 18% since April. | Aug 28 06:35 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Gates_%26_Ellis | Aug 28 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Preston Gates & Ellis - Wikipedia | Aug 28 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: The food banks are giving out milk like it's going out of style. | Aug 28 06:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I've had to come up with uses for it. | Aug 28 06:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: another one http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/rags-to-riches-myth/ | Aug 28 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Myth of Bill Gates ‘Success’ or ‘Genius’ Still Being Perpetuated Online | Techrights | Aug 28 06:57 | |
| schestowitz | I had to respond to this sto0000pid youtube vid | Aug 28 06:58 |
| schestowitz | that gates started form $0 LOL | Aug 28 06:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/gates-of-the-linux-foundation/ | Aug 28 07:00 |
| schestowitz | # I'm guessing there is something in the JPEG image in place of a post? | Aug 28 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] The Linux Foundation Views GNU/Linux Users as a Nuisance | Techrights | Aug 28 07:00 | |
| schestowitz | GIMP issue, my fault... | Aug 28 07:00 |
| schestowitz | https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/25/linux_kernel_email/ | Aug 28 07:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Relying on plain-text email is a 'barrier to entry' for kernel development, says Linux Foundation board member • The Register | Aug 28 07:02 | |
| schestowitz | # m$ moles at work | Aug 28 07:02 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Today in Techrights http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141458 [https://pleroma.site/objects/a5aa0ada-2707-4d7f-8034-c1e0aeb2a7af] | Aug 28 07:16 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: How does switching from email lower the barrier? | Aug 28 07:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Do they want developers who are too dumb to set up an email account? | Aug 28 07:17 |
| schestowitz | https://www.itwire.com/open-sauce/twenty-years-with-debian-on-the-desktop-%E2%80%93-and-no-regrets.html | Aug 28 07:21 |
| schestowitz | https://debian.community/enrico-zini-falsified-harassment-claims/ | Aug 28 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-iTWire - Twenty years with Debian on the desktop – and no regrets | Aug 28 07:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian.community | Enrico Zini & Debian: falsified harassment claims | Aug 28 07:21 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC[m]: No! | Aug 28 07:21 |
| schestowitz | It's concern trolling | Aug 28 07:21 |
| schestowitz | like I said yesterday | Aug 28 07:21 |
| schestowitz | it's just code for... "move to Microsoft" | Aug 28 07:22 |
| oiaohm | There is a universal problem who is going to pay for hosting. | Aug 28 07:32 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Free and Open Source Online Markdown Editors http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141457 #freesw [https://pleroma.site/objects/70e89d8f-3666-4b31-95f6-3b9b6d25ebf7] | Aug 28 07:34 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141456 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bcc156d0-23e9-4c59-a317-071fe667f178] | Aug 28 07:35 | |
| kingoffrance | i could make a joke about with utf they deny there is such a thing as plaintext but yeah | Aug 28 07:36 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 Is Coming on September 4th with Support for Many New Devices http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141455 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fc572e2f-58cf-4aaa-a08f-1b77957b9a2b] | Aug 28 07:37 | |
| oiaohm | with computers there is no such thing as plaintext | Aug 28 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Ok there is plaintext in encyrption meaning not encrypted but otherwise there is no meaning to it. | Aug 28 07:38 |
| schestowitz | lf gets 100 USD($) MILLION PER YEAR | Aug 28 07:39 |
| schestowitz | hosting is cheap | Aug 28 07:39 |
| schestowitz | even for millions of gitlab users (write/read) | Aug 28 07:39 |
| schestowitz | maybe pay Zemlin and the Sunshine Boys and Gals a little less | Aug 28 07:39 |
| schestowitz | they hoard like 40% of the budget | Aug 28 07:39 |
| schestowitz | paying for their misguided, clueless bureaucracy | Aug 28 07:40 |
| schestowitz | LF works for LF | Aug 28 07:40 |
| schestowitz | not for Linux | Aug 28 07:40 |
| oiaohm | Really we do need hosting system for projects that is not site locked. | Aug 28 07:40 |
| schestowitz | an institution that exists to feed its own xistence | Aug 28 07:40 |
| schestowitz | rather than its supposed goals | Aug 28 07:40 |
| schestowitz | like EPO | Aug 28 07:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: well, so they'd better get to work | Aug 28 07:40 |
| schestowitz | with $100,000,000 per year | Aug 28 07:41 |
| schestowitz | FSF can make something based on Gitlab for like 2 million a year budget | Aug 28 07:41 |
| schestowitz | LF just outsourced to 'free' Microsoft | Aug 28 07:41 |
| schestowitz | 'free' proprietary software | Aug 28 07:41 |
| oiaohm | One of the reasons why Linux kernel sticks to mailing list is federation. | Aug 28 07:41 |
| schestowitz | only the kernel and few other projects aren't Microsoft controlled (at LF) | Aug 28 07:41 |
| schestowitz | email is a standard | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | and it's compatible across many devices | Aug 28 07:42 |
| oiaohm | gitlab federation is a work in progress. | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | media | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | scripts | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | various tolls | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | tools | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | web interfaces | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | forget about gitlab then | Aug 28 07:42 |
| oiaohm | mailing list are simple to setup federation around great china firewall. | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | stay with what they have | Aug 28 07:42 |
| schestowitz | the whole point is, the Microsoft mole isn't pushing for ease of participation | Aug 28 07:43 |
| schestowitz | it's a pretext | Aug 28 07:43 |
| schestowitz | it's about pushing towards Microsoft | Aug 28 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Same with git mirrors. | Aug 28 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds will not allow it | Aug 28 07:43 |
| schestowitz | but he's NOT in charge | Aug 28 07:43 |
| schestowitz | not anymore | Aug 28 07:43 |
| schestowitz | only virtually | Aug 28 07:43 |
| schestowitz | he might even think of feel like he's in control | Aug 28 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Ease of use is a valid arguement for gitlab or github over mailing lists. But its federation problem. freedesktop is working on adding federation because lack of federation with gitlab is causing them problems. | Aug 28 07:44 |
| oiaohm | Think that Linux kernel is distributed development why does one party have to pay the hosting costs? | Aug 28 07:45 |
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| oiaohm | Working out how to allow the individuals to provide the hosting that is a hell of a trick. | Aug 28 07:46 |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Twenty years with Debian on the desktop – and no regrets http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141453 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2142b525-fbb5-43ea-b023-15d1d0adb1b8] | Aug 28 07:47 | |
| -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Qt Creator 4.13 released. What’s New http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141452 [https://pleroma.site/objects/81de01f9-2500-4cc3-a190-46f282b77e7e] | Aug 28 07:48 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it is possible | Aug 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | LF can give them little/micro grants | Aug 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | or hosting space | Aug 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | to be arranged with hosts of their choice | Aug 28 08:21 |
| schestowitz | or self-hosting | Aug 28 08:21 |
| schestowitz | or the employers, respective bosses | Aug 28 08:21 |
| schestowitz | either way, github must not be an option | Aug 28 08:21 |
| schestowitz | and that's the baseline, oiaohm | Aug 28 08:21 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: remember when on global stage grants as part your plan for hosting may be unstable due to trade restrictions. | Aug 28 08:43 |
| oiaohm | Same with providing hosting self. | Aug 28 08:43 |
| oiaohm | https://www.zdnet.com/article/github-starts-blocking-developers-in-countries-facing-us-trade-sanctions/ its really simple to forget if you are in a country under USA trade sanctions you may not be able to access a project on github because github blocks. | Aug 28 08:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub starts blocking developers in countries facing US trade sanctions | ZDNet | Aug 28 08:45 | |
| oiaohm | There is a need for peer to peer project management system. | Aug 28 08:45 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Plan to cope with trade restrictions is not as straight forwards. When you have to deal with that problem LF money can really only be used to develop the tools to get around those problems | Aug 28 08:47 |
| oiaohm | Same with any one else attempting to throw money at the problem. | Aug 28 08:48 |
| oiaohm | Federation comes kind of a required feature. So that you can play pass the hot potato around trade barriers. | Aug 28 08:48 |
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| schestowitz | Github Github Github | Aug 28 09:14 |
| schestowitz | As if only Microsoft (which already controlled Github by this stage) is all that counts | Aug 28 09:14 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PweAc2zdS4 | Aug 28 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-20 Years Later (sponsored by Google Cloud) - Sarah Novotny (Google) - YouTube | Aug 28 09:14 | |
| schestowitz | around 1:40 | Aug 28 09:17 |
| schestowitz | the origin is nginx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8KUawZ3wZc | Aug 28 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-NGINX's Sarah Novotny on cultures and microservices - YouTube | Aug 28 09:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5S9LIT-hdc | Aug 28 09:27 |
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| scientes | that was not a bad Linus interview | Aug 28 10:50 |
| scientes | saw that years ago | Aug 28 10:50 |
| scientes | I don't get why nginx gets so much press | Aug 28 10:50 |
| scientes | maybe its because very few people can code | Aug 28 10:50 |
| scientes | but it really is not a massive accompishment | Aug 28 10:50 |
| scientes | and Russia has much more technically advanced successes, like OpenVZ, LZMA, and CRUI | Aug 28 10:50 |
| scientes | *CRIU | Aug 28 10:51 |
| scientes | as well as fully replicating US search and machine translation technology | Aug 28 10:51 |
| scientes | and speech recognition | Aug 28 10:51 |
| scientes | (hopefully Mozilla's common voice has some success however) | Aug 28 10:52 |
| scientes | and what Sarah Novotny is saying is really boring | Aug 28 10:53 |
| scientes | and caused by the elites trying to pretend they are competent | Aug 28 10:53 |
| scientes | schestowitz, there was a really good video by the former QA lead at Mozilla on how he built CI for Firefox, but I can't find it over all the YouTube spam | Aug 28 10:55 |
| schestowitz | [10:50] <scientes> I don't get why nginx gets so much press | Aug 28 10:55 |
| scientes | its good software | Aug 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | the theory I shared with RMS in person, | Aug 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | which he found plausible, | Aug 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | is that press owners has almost everything to do with it | Aug 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | their personal interest | Aug 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | e.g. "open source" | Aug 28 10:56 |
| scientes | schestowitz, I think it is because all the money is in web | Aug 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | not copyleft | Aug 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | no antiwar RMS | Aug 28 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Linus and others have helped obscure GNU | Aug 28 10:56 |
| scientes | and also Russian web workers are a big important demographic to control | Aug 28 10:56 |
| scientes | and white-wash free software to open source | Aug 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | they don't mention "free software" | Aug 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Linus used to | Aug 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | until 1998 | Aug 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Novotny actively participates in revisonism | Aug 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | pretending it all started 20 years ago | Aug 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | with "Open Source" | Aug 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | and key speaker for Tim O'Reilly | Aug 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | That's how these people get promoted | Aug 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | lying for the boss | Aug 28 10:58 |
| scientes | schestowitz, Linux has HDCP and other anti-features | Aug 28 10:58 |
| scientes | without a clear switch to turn them off | Aug 28 10:58 |
| scientes | (not compile them) | Aug 28 10:59 |
| scientes | as it is GPL2 a compile switch is all you can do | Aug 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | [10:58] <scientes> schestowitz, Linux has HDCP and other anti-features | Aug 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | less than an hour ago I wondered and pondered that point exactly | Aug 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | but the context was | Aug 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | BSDs | Aug 28 10:59 |
| scientes | but this also makes it pretty clear that all of Linus's and GKH's GPL3 stuff is about business | Aug 28 10:59 |
| scientes | and not philosophy | Aug 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | and how they might try to leverage it to diss Linux | Aug 28 10:59 |
| scientes | which is what RMS always said | Aug 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | yes, did you see the Greg interview? | Aug 28 11:00 |
| scientes | schestowitz, recent? | Aug 28 11:00 |
| scientes | I've had conversationg with him on the usb stack in #kernelnewbies | Aug 28 11:00 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't even pretend to care about anything but -- in his own words -- selfish corporations | Aug 28 11:01 |
| schestowitz | inc. Microsoft | Aug 28 11:01 |
| scientes | it makes me feel the GPL2-only stance was wrong, and Linux should have gone GPL2+ | Aug 28 11:01 |
| schestowitz | he commented in techrights several times before | Aug 28 11:01 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svJw7Y6qaHA | Aug 28 11:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Should We Trust Microsoft With Linux? - YouTube | Aug 28 11:02 | |
| schestowitz | there is another one like this | Aug 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | more recent | Aug 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | but I don't want to feed the corporate crap | Aug 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | some are in the LF channel | Aug 28 11:02 |
| scientes | schestowitz, anything with Microsoft in the title is not interesting to me | Aug 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | the official one | Aug 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | don't click | Aug 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | but since you asked | Aug 28 11:02 |
| schestowitz | I regret clicking on this idiot | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | SPAMnil | Aug 28 11:03 |
| scientes | what Greg KH interview? | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | joking about "let's have Ballmer back" | Aug 28 11:03 |
| scientes | I like Greg | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | He's close to Microsoft | Aug 28 11:03 |
| schestowitz | since Novell/SUSE | Aug 28 11:03 |
| scientes | but he is also deeply practical person | Aug 28 11:17 |
| scientes | which is the entire reason we hate these entities | Aug 28 11:17 |
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| schestowitz | we need more principled peole | Aug 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | only they can keep Linux from being proprietary | Aug 28 11:37 |
| schestowitz | which is where it's heading for years now | Aug 28 11:37 |
| MinceR | is self-destruction "practical"? | Aug 28 11:51 |
| schestowitz | prosecutionary | Aug 28 12:17 |
| schestowitz | never precautionary | Aug 28 12:17 |
| schestowitz | #JoachimBreitner Explains the #Debian “PR Problem” and How to Better Handle Such Problems http://techrights.org/2020/08/28/debian-pr-issue/ #gnu #linux #freesw | Aug 28 12:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Joachim Breitner Explains the Debian “PR Problem” and How to Better Handle Such Problems | Techrights | Aug 28 12:17 | |
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| cybrNaut | switching.software endorses DuckDuckGo. An issue was raised to remove DuckDuckGo as an endorsement. A long discussion erupted. No one could make a case to defend DDG, so the switching.software staff removed the whole thread. It has just been started again: https://codeberg.org/swiso/website/issues/163 | Aug 28 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-#163 - Remove DuckDuckGo - website - Codeberg.org | Aug 28 14:00 | |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/683991.jpg | Aug 28 14:50 |
| cybrNaut | proposed caption: "the importance of whitespace" | Aug 28 14:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 14:52 |
| MinceR | even correct whitespace won't help if that door is opened, though | Aug 28 14:52 |
| cybrNaut | indeed.. it /opens the door/ for child abusers | Aug 28 14:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 14:56 |
| MinceR | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141464 | Aug 28 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Using the Linux kernel's Case-insensitive feature in Ext4 | Tux Machines | Aug 28 14:56 | |
| MinceR | what could possibly go wrong? | Aug 28 14:56 |
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| cybrNaut | iirc Collabora does open source control systems for cars. They should not be supporting something that threatens security | Aug 28 15:09 |
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| scientes | cybrNaut, there is very little open source SocketCAN stuff IME | Aug 28 15:17 |
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| XRevan86 | https://youtu.be/3LopI4YeC4I | Aug 28 17:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Is Success Luck or Hard Work? - YouTube | Aug 28 17:23 | |
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| schestowitz | XRevan86: what us success? | Aug 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | that needs to be a starting point | Aug 28 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Eternal life? | Aug 28 17:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Just a general "I achieved my most daring goals" | Aug 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | meh | Aug 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | vague | Aug 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | depends on upbringing/environment | Aug 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | oligarchs aspire to get as much money as possible | Aug 28 17:30 |
| schestowitz | then die and pass it on | Aug 28 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Literally what the video is about %). | Aug 28 17:31 |
| XRevan86 | (Veritasium) | Aug 28 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | It's perhaps like those "inspirational" videos of "get rich fast" | Aug 28 17:37 |
| schestowitz | 50 Cent | Aug 28 17:37 |
| schestowitz | "get rich or die trying"? | Aug 28 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Was that the breakthrough album? | Aug 28 17:37 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/transporter | Aug 28 17:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Transporter | Aug 28 17:47 | |
| MinceR | become immortal or die trying | Aug 28 17:48 |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 28 17:59 |
| schestowitz | nice one | Aug 28 17:59 |
| schestowitz | personally, this whole yardstick of "success" is aimless BS | Aug 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz | WHat is a "successful" dog? | Aug 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "he had many meals" | Aug 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "slept 16 hours a day" | Aug 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "humped a lot" | Aug 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "had many puppies" | Aug 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "slept in a home with many rooms" | Aug 28 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "had a large garden he or she could poop in" | Aug 28 18:00 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: No, it's Veritasium. | Aug 28 18:01 |
| schestowitz | now go on and tell me, "BUT PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT" | Aug 28 18:01 |
| schestowitz | No, they're not, but they're sure they are | Aug 28 18:01 |
| MinceR | considering that dogs' goal is to ruin the world for others, they're successful if they've caused enough destruction and suffering | Aug 28 18:02 |
| MinceR | (so they're a lot like most humans, which is not a coincidence) | Aug 28 18:02 |
| schestowitz | dogs were devolved for 'human consumption" | Aug 28 18:03 |
| schestowitz | no teeths | Aug 28 18:03 |
| schestowitz | bad claws | Aug 28 18:03 |
| schestowitz | small size | Aug 28 18:03 |
| schestowitz | cannot give birth, for some species, without some awkward intervention by humans | Aug 28 18:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I want to ask | Aug 28 18:04 |
| schestowitz | since rianne dislikes the "dog bashing" | Aug 28 18:04 |
| schestowitz | what about cats? | Aug 28 18:04 |
| schestowitz | They're also bred | Aug 28 18:04 |
| schestowitz | by and for humans | Aug 28 18:04 |
| MinceR | criticism is not bashing | Aug 28 18:04 |
| MinceR | domestic cats are half wild, so they weren't corrupted | Aug 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | to the point of looking "cute" and having no chance in nature | Aug 28 18:05 |
| MinceR | cats always looked cute | Aug 28 18:05 |
| MinceR | and they still do well on their own | Aug 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | but they eat animals | Aug 28 18:05 |
| MinceR | so? | Aug 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | even cute animals like rabbits | Aug 28 18:05 |
| MinceR | most animals do | Aug 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | pandas don't | Aug 28 18:05 |
| MinceR | i remember seeing a video of a horse eating a small chicken | Aug 28 18:05 |
| schestowitz | elephants | Aug 28 18:05 |
| MinceR | humans eat animals as well | Aug 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz | herbs and stuff | Aug 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz | humans are a poor yardstick | Aug 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz | humans dropped two nuked on civilians | Aug 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz | for maximal "impact" (deaths) | Aug 28 18:06 |
| schestowitz | *nukes | Aug 28 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | >>>> I am guessing your browser does not support it, but Firefox on GNU/Linux | Aug 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | >>>> does because Mozilla paid for a licence. What format to use instead? (If | Aug 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | >>>> that's what you meant to address) | Aug 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | >>> WebM maybe? Or there could be other options by now. | Aug 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | >> The main issue is, the web-based video clipper I use does not support | Aug 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | >> ogg and webm. Do you have a recommendation? | Aug 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | > What about Kdenlive, OpenShot, ShotCut, or maybe OBS? | Aug 28 18:16 |
| schestowitz | That would take like 10+ times longer as it involves getting the whole video, then clipping it. Right now I specify URL and time range in https://www.clipconverter.cc/2/ | Aug 28 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-YouTube to MP4 & MP3 Converter - ClipConverter.cc | Aug 28 18:16 | |
| scientes | XRevan86, a | Aug 28 18:37 |
| scientes | https://elpueblo.com.pe/vacunacion-masiva-en-rusia-en-un-mes/ | Aug 28 18:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-elpueblo.com.pe | Vacunación masiva en Rusia en un mes - El Pueblo | Aug 28 18:37 | |
| scientes | «La vacunación masiva comenzará con algún retraso debido a la que la mayor parte de las vacunas ya producidas se empleará en los estudios. Luego, el resto de destinará a los ciudadanos. El retraso puede ser de dos o tres semanas, quizás un mes», explicó. | Aug 28 18:37 |
| scientes | El martes pasado, el presidente ruso, Vladimir Putin, presentó la vacuna, denominada «Spútnik V» en memoria del primer satélite espacial soviético, y la describió como segura y eficaz. Una de sus hijas ya había sido tratada con la vacuna, dijo. | Aug 28 18:37 |
| scientes | oh geeze | Aug 28 18:37 |
| scientes | this is not good | Aug 28 18:38 |
| scientes | it makes a mockery of good science | Aug 28 18:38 |
| scientes | the US was always doing this with the yearly flu scare | Aug 28 18:38 |
| *scientes is really confused why this was in a Peru newspaper | Aug 28 18:38 | |
| XRevan86 | The vaccine is scheduled to be tested on monkeys | Aug 28 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | but it's already been tested on the Putin's daughter (oh hey, he acknowledged he has daughters)? | Aug 28 18:39 |
| XRevan86 | that's quite something, yes | Aug 28 18:40 |
| scientes | XRevan86, yeah, but they haven't established that anyone needs a vaccine | Aug 28 18:40 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, strange stuff. | Aug 28 18:40 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/08/27/dictators-alike/ | Aug 28 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] Dictators and Their ‘Solutions’ | Techrights | Aug 28 18:41 | |
| scientes | schestowitz, you don't have to scare quote solution--you can just point out that it means to dissolve into a solute | Aug 28 18:42 |
| scientes | into a solvent | Aug 28 18:42 |
| scientes | like when you put salt on a slug and the ambiotic pressure kills it | Aug 28 18:43 |
| scientes | https://elpueblo.com.pe/incautan-cargamento-de-cigarrillos-del-extranjeros-valorizados-en-210-mil-soles/ | Aug 28 18:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-elpueblo.com.pe | Incautan cargamento de cigarrillos del extranjeros valorizados en 210 mil soles - El Pueblo | Aug 28 18:44 | |
| scientes | I should get into this business | Aug 28 18:44 |
| scientes | smuggling of cigarettes | Aug 28 18:44 |
| scientes | and I noticed that surgical masks are now subject to extreme import/export regulations | Aug 28 18:45 |
| scientes | you can't mail them unless you have a license | Aug 28 18:45 |
| scientes | which is frankly very stupid | Aug 28 18:45 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN25N2U8 | Aug 28 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mobile.reuters.com | Bill Gates' nuclear venture plans reactor to complement solar, wind power boom | Article [AMP] | Reuters | Aug 28 19:07 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz The "billionaire philanthropist" wants to build nuclear reactors. | Aug 28 19:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Levesque said the companies are seeking additional funding from private partners and the U.S. Energy Department, and that the project has the support of PacifiCorp, owned by billionaire Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway, along with Energy Northwest and Duke Energy." | Aug 28 19:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $100 billion dollars can't build a couple reactors apparently. | Aug 28 19:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:07] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz The "billionaire philanthropist" wants to build nuclear reactors. | Aug 28 19:09 |
| schestowitz | had patents | Aug 28 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he goes to taxpayers. Very philanthropic. | Aug 28 19:10 |
| schestowitz | with his troll friend Nathan | Aug 28 19:10 |
| schestowitz | yes, always pillaging the taxpayers in every country | Aug 28 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I said it many times over a decade back | Aug 28 19:10 |
| schestowitz | but maybe more people finally notice | Aug 28 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "The 345-megawatt plants would be cooled by liquid sodium and cost about $1 billion each." | Aug 28 19:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So he could personally finance manybof them himself if he wanted to, and not even notice. | Aug 28 19:11 |
| schestowitz | what's the profit in THAT? | Aug 28 19:11 |
| schestowitz | He wants #1 spot back | Aug 28 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Jeff Bezos stole his pride | Aug 28 19:11 |
| schestowitz | now he goes for vaccines with DOZES for BILLIONS of people | Aug 28 19:11 |
| schestowitz | like he took freely shared software | Aug 28 19:12 |
| schestowitz | and made that a TAx for billions of people | Aug 28 19:12 |
| schestowitz | calling all the rest "naked PCs" and "pirates" | Aug 28 19:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They own all the ideas required to have a PC operating system, in their opinion. | Aug 28 19:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I saw an article about newer hardware maybe not working with Linux because lack of drivers. Outright sabotage of the BIOS due to OEM and Microsoft deals, like Lenovo, was never mentioned. | Aug 28 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | You really have to check to see if someone bought that PC and that the model is exactly the same and what happened to them. | Aug 28 19:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft doesn't ever seem to know how to make its own products work, but they know how to make products thar work fine not work so that you can't escape. | Aug 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Rockbox never bothered with the Zune, although that would have been awesome. | Aug 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Linux is a crapshoot because OEMs like Lenovo sabotage the firmware. | Aug 28 19:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had an iPod. The purpose was not to let you plug it into a Linux PC and dump a bunch of MP3 files on it, but thanks to reverse engineering work by someone else, I used it that way. And I absolutely never updated the firmware, so that Apple never had a chance to make it quit working out of spite. | Aug 28 19:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I knew they would if I let them, but I refused the updates. | Aug 28 19:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The messed up thing about the iPod was that part of the protocol's purpose was to prevent people from plugging it in and dumping out their entire folder structure on a friend's computer. | Aug 28 19:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Or even a single file. | Aug 28 19:30 |
| MinceR | yeah, that would have been outrageous | Aug 28 19:31 |
| MinceR | people accessing a storage device built into an audio player... | Aug 28 19:32 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR Yeah. But the reverse engineered library could do that. | Aug 28 20:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | iTunes would change the protocol quietly if you plugged an iPod in with a silent firmware flash to break libimobiledevice. | Aug 28 20:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Otherwise, Apple never acknowledged it. | Aug 28 20:01 |
| MinceR | i don't think the people at crApple ever understood what general purpose computers are for | Aug 28 20:06 |
| MinceR | or cared about coming up with something that would be useful for customers | Aug 28 20:06 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcjlhFVTY50 | Aug 28 20:12 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Older computers had to give the user more freedom because the hardware was too limited to put a lot of truly evil stuff in theere. | Aug 28 20:13 |
| CrystalMath | agreed DaemonFC[m] | Aug 28 20:13 |
| CrystalMath | but | Aug 28 20:14 |
| CrystalMath | also, importantly... | Aug 28 20:14 |
| CrystalMath | most computer users were professionals | Aug 28 20:14 |
| CrystalMath | not idiots | Aug 28 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now it's built in at the hardware level and the OS just hooks into it. | Aug 28 20:14 |
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| CrystalMath | well... you still need a disk OS | Aug 28 20:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So yeah, you can make those hooks GPL 2 and still use it to deny people their freedoms, and even if they break the DRM at the hook level somehow, there's no anti-DRM clause in the GPL 2. | Aug 28 20:14 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | So you'd be breaking the law. | Aug 28 20:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The GPL 2 is insufficiently Free to defeat DRM, and only vaguely covers software patents if you look at it just so. | Aug 28 20:15 |
| MinceR | 28 211412 < CrystalMath> most computer users were professionals | Aug 28 20:15 |
| MinceR | crApple still got away with omitting extension ports at least once... | Aug 28 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's why Microsoft and Apple were fine with it, and then Apple started to purge everything under the GPL when the GPL 3 came out. | Aug 28 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | i'm gonna get an Apple IIc | Aug 28 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | that ad i posted convinced me! | Aug 28 20:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 28 20:16 |
| MinceR | why not get a crApple III | Aug 28 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They can probably keep their fork of bash from 2007, because Macs aren't meant to be powerful or have lots of advanced features anyway. | Aug 28 20:16 |
| MinceR | the "computer" that melts itself! | Aug 28 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | no they said Apple II is forever | Aug 28 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're meant for senile old people and emo kids. | Aug 28 20:16 |
| MinceR | because steve "blow" jobs doesn't like proper cooling | Aug 28 20:16 |
| CrystalMath | in a nice 80s song | Aug 28 20:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Pick up the $5,000 computer and drop it to re-seat the chips. | Aug 28 20:17 |
| MinceR | the only nice 80s songs i'm aware of are made by Front Line Assembly | Aug 28 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | you can't lie when synth brass is playing in the background | Aug 28 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Actual Apple TSB in the 1980s. | Aug 28 20:17 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 28 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | Apple II must be forever | Aug 28 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | MinceR: i don't know a single bad 80s song | Aug 28 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | except for the one i posted | Aug 28 20:17 |
| CrystalMath | just now :P | Aug 28 20:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 28 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | $5,000 in the late 80s. | Aug 28 20:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So like more than $10,000 now. | Aug 28 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DROP THE $10,000 COMPUTER! | Aug 28 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Every time it overheats. | Aug 28 20:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Mandy asked about the French revolution. I said, "Yeah everyone was poor and they were angry at their rulers for hogging all the money and they got shit done.". | Aug 28 20:20 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now we have Bezos and Gates as, almost religious figures if you believe "the news". | Aug 28 20:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars and they're "philanthropists" for bilking taxpayers for dodgy vaccines and unproven nuclear reactors in their backyards. | Aug 28 20:21 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They want to build hundreds of these things at scale and we don't even have a demonstration model yet. Let Gates build one. It would cost him 1% of his own money. We'll see if it works. | Aug 28 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's what the Energy Dept. should say. | Aug 28 20:22 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I agree that nuclear reactors of some kind are probably essential to stop carbon emissions and enhance our ability to continue using energy at these levels, but that's just obvious. | Aug 28 20:23 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We need some new battery technology, honestly, if more of the vehicle fleet is going to be all electric. | Aug 28 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's at like 3% right now. It's tiny. General Motors dug their own grave twice. They had two chances to be the market leader on these things and threw it away twice. | Aug 28 20:24 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They tied their fortunes to the oil industry, which is piling into the bankruptcy court as-is, because demand collapsed. | Aug 28 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some companies say they plan to keep work from home even after the virus pandemic is over. | Aug 28 20:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because they found that the loss in productivity was minimal compared with the savings of not having expensive offices in downtown Chicago or in New York City or San Francisco. | Aug 28 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That means that at least some of this 25% oil demand decline is permanent. | Aug 28 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Good. | Aug 28 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The freeway was a nightmare and it was all so office workers who could have always worked remotely could run a rat race and prop up car companies and big oil. | Aug 28 20:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This thing accidentally led to a huge surge in demand for technology and it rebuilt the labor market almost overnight, and it pushed a lot of zombie corporations over the edge already. | Aug 28 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Not great for the displaced workers, but it had to happen eventually. | Aug 28 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | How long can you really run Sears or Penneys on cheap debt? It was going to happen. 2-3-4 years maybe. Might as well be now. | Aug 28 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: That's the idea of creative destruction. | Aug 28 20:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | There's always some each time there's a recession, and in many ways government intervention just wastes taxpayer money on bailouts on companies that go on for several more years and fall harder, doing much more damage on the way out. | Aug 28 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is what happened at GM. | Aug 28 20:29 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When I was a manager at Walmart, I said, "Well, it's just basic economics, really. GM has too many brands which all have basically the same car. They failed to adapt to changing customer preferences. They lobbied for gas guzzlers when that's not what most people were buying, so they HAD to go buy import brands. They skimped on quality control, so the thing starts eating you alive while you're still making payments. | Aug 28 20:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And the UAW has way too much pay and benefits compared to their productivity level. GM has to add in $3,000 for every car just for the employee health insurance. The government should let them go to bankruptcy court with no special treatment or taxpayer money and see if they learn anything.". | Aug 28 20:32 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | Then I got chewed out because people working at Walmart had family members who worked at GM and suppliers and I said, "Well, it's not their fault that GM management ruined the company and overpromised benefits like politicians who can't keep their word. I am sorry if I offended anyone.". | Aug 28 20:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | GM, in many ways, their management was like the government, overextending the pension and healthcare programs for many years, and they've never been able to get out from under that because it went on for decades. | Aug 28 20:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | My grandmother gets a pension check from GM because my grandfather worked there. He retired in the early 80s and died in 1998. | Aug 28 20:35 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | I don't want her to lose her pension, and she won't because GM had to pay the Pension Guaranty Corp insurance on it. | Aug 28 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But promises like that ruined GM, because they're on the hook for benefits for spouses of workers who died 20 years ago and produced their last car on the assembly line 40 years ago. | Aug 28 20:35 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I very much agree that there should be a defined contribution system, not a defined benefit system. | Aug 28 20:36 |
| DaemonFC[m] | When you have a defined benefit system, they can just keep extending benefits without backing them up with anything. It turns into a ponzi scheme that falls apart eventually, like Illinois. | Aug 28 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | With defined contribution, you know what your expenses are, nobody can take them away because they're not in a big pot that's not yours, which turns out to not even exist. | Aug 28 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | (Social Security) | Aug 28 20:37 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: If anything, I think George W. Bush might have been vindicated on that issue. | Aug 28 20:38 |
| DaemonFC[m] | These private sector pensions are either covered or not covered depending on how they're structured and classified. | Aug 28 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: Macy's employees won't lose their pension because there was insurance on them. They'll just be taken over. | Aug 28 20:40 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But their management is taking a $150 million dollar buzz cut. | Aug 28 20:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're pissed because their CEO got $10 million in bonuses for throwing THEM in the bankruptcy. | Aug 28 20:41 |
| MinceR | they'll live | Aug 28 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The CEO loses $400,000 of his own pension, but they upped his salary 50% this year and gave him $10 million in bonuses to file bankruptcy. | Aug 28 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | This is an outrage. | Aug 28 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Golden parachutes. | Aug 28 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I doubt that Macys will go on much longer. | Aug 28 20:42 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Something might emerge from bankruptcy, or it might not, but it's not sustainable. | Aug 28 20:43 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I think that voluntary bankruptcy should be taken away from corporations, except for Chapter 7. | Aug 28 20:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It should mostly be something their creditors force them into if they feel they won't be paid back while the company is squandering its assets. | Aug 28 20:44 |
| CrystalMath | bringing smiles to children's faces | Aug 28 20:45 |
| CrystalMath | opening doors to brand new places! | Aug 28 20:45 |
| CrystalMath | apple II forever | Aug 28 20:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 28 20:46 |
| CrystalMath | making life better and better.. | Aug 28 20:46 |
| MinceR | so that's what crApple II-s are for | Aug 28 20:46 |
| MinceR | fire them at doors from cannons, to open them | Aug 28 20:46 |
| CrystalMath | apple II, leading the way... | Aug 28 20:46 |
| *CrystalMath is brainwashed | Aug 28 20:46 | |
| *psydread <3 Apple | Aug 28 20:47 | |
| CrystalMath | psymin: you listened to the song too? | Aug 28 20:48 |
| CrystalMath | err, psydread | Aug 28 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Microsoft intervened to save Apple in the 1990s because their products were actually so bad that they almost failed when their only competitor was Windows. | Aug 28 20:48 |
| CrystalMath | ouch | Aug 28 20:48 |
| psydread | CrystalMath, which song? | Aug 28 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Who knows why System 8 is now an Electron app. | Aug 28 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I suppose Apple could sue but what would be the point? | Aug 28 20:48 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Can't do anything useful with it. | Aug 28 20:48 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcjlhFVTY50 | Aug 28 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Apple II Forever - YouTube | Aug 28 20:48 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | OS 9 wasn't that bad. | Aug 28 20:49 |
| MinceR | the point never mattered to crApple | Aug 28 20:49 |
| psymin | hehe | Aug 28 20:49 |
| CrystalMath | sorry psymin i meant psydread | Aug 28 20:50 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I remember a lot of people wouldn't install OS X even if their Mac could run it because it was slower and crashed a lot and wouldn't run their "Classic" apps well. | Aug 28 20:50 |
| psydread | psymin, you should listen to it too, it's not bad | Aug 28 20:50 |
| psydread | better than their computers | Aug 28 20:51 |
| CrystalMath | psydread: well, it contains lots of riffs from other pop songs, sometimes glued together awkwardly | Aug 28 20:51 |
| psydread | I guess I just don't know those other songs | Aug 28 20:52 |
| CrystalMath | well i suppose some cliches are just generic and appear in a lot of songs of the time | Aug 28 20:53 |
| psydread | yes, that's probably the case | Aug 28 20:54 |
| CrystalMath | though there are definitely parts from Moroder's What A Feeling | Aug 28 20:54 |
| CrystalMath | which they paid for earlier, for the earlier Apple ad song | Aug 28 20:55 |
| CrystalMath | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbJy0O4UFSM | Aug 28 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Tech : We Are Apple (Leading The Way) - YouTube | Aug 28 20:55 | |
| CrystalMath | Giorgio Moroder was paid and got the proper writing credit | Aug 28 20:56 |
| CrystalMath | the "leading the way" part comes from this | Aug 28 20:56 |
| oiaohm | https://www.commodorecomputerclub.com/the-future-was-8bit-mini-pet-pre-order/ There are more wacky options for classic computing. | Aug 28 20:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commodorecomputerclub.com | The Future was 8bit: Mini PET Pre Order - Commodore Computer Club – USA | Aug 28 20:56 | |
| CrystalMath | but this was a 1983 pop song, What A Feeling | Aug 28 20:57 |
| kingoffrance | "With defined contribution, you know what your expenses are, nobody can take them away because they're not in a big pot that's not yours, which turns out to not even exist." big pot == another "bonus" fund :) | Aug 28 20:58 |
| kingoffrance | i think thats what they want -- big pots that they can move around wherever | Aug 28 20:58 |
| oiaohm | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JZnj4eNHXE I miss stuff like this being done. | Aug 28 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-LadyJava Music Video for JavaZone (High quality) - YouTube | Aug 28 20:59 | |
| kingoffrance | yeah its on ddr too CrystalMath :) | Aug 28 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | <kingoffrance "i think thats what they want -- "> That's exactly what happened in Illinois. | Aug 28 21:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They declared pension holidays to keep too many state "workers" employed for another 25 years, and now it's all due and they demand a federal bailout from Congress because of the "pandemic". | Aug 28 21:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The politicians here are so bad we had to amend the constitution to earmark transportation taxes for transportation projects. | Aug 28 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is what the law already said should happen, but slush fund. | Aug 28 21:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I voted yes for it because it was just so dumb to spend hundreds of millions on something else when the federal government has to match 50% on the transit projects and Trump can't stop it from going out. | Aug 28 21:10 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: I still remember hacking all the different security options on OS 9. | Aug 28 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They were actually turning down hundreds of millions every year in federal funds. | Aug 28 21:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Really stupid. | Aug 28 21:10 |
| oiaohm | Most wacky thing was installing a OS 9 program and finding opps we bundled our saved emails with activation keys. At first I was thinking had downloaded a pirated program. Nop it was a full vendor goof. | Aug 28 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We were losing $175 million per year, on average, from the feds, that could create construction jobs in Illinois, that pave roads so I don't ruin my car. | Aug 28 21:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Basically almost all of the no votes came from black Chicago. | Aug 28 21:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Worried that the state couldn't put it into the "MOAR FREE SHIT for making babies" slush funds, I guess. | Aug 28 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If the tax code wasn't so perverse, it would offer you a $2,000 tax credit for having no children, then you'd lose $1,000 for each child you had. | Aug 28 21:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At child 3, it turns into a penalty exposing another $1,000 of your income to taxation. | Aug 28 21:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 21:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mandy was reading something on his phone and said "I am too rich to go to jail!". | Aug 28 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I said, "That was an actual legal defense in Texas after a teenager drove drunk and killed two people." | Aug 28 21:16 |
| DaemonFC[m] | "Judge gave him probation and he managed to screw that up by going to Mexico, so they extradited him and converted the rest of his probation into prison time anyway. People figure it worked once so it'll work again and eventually they overplay their hand because of entitlement mentality.". | Aug 28 21:17 |
| MinceR | I'm Too Young To Die | Aug 28 21:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: I find that putting on a front like you're ready to aggressively litigate this and you have means works, usually. | Aug 28 21:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Of course, that bluff put me into bankruptcy the next year, but it worked. | Aug 28 21:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 21:19 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: My attorney actually did start out as a public defender. Poor people get to be the experiment for people fresh out of law school. | Aug 28 21:25 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The pay is bad, so only newbies and total hacks stay there. | Aug 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state doesn't mind this setup because they get to appoint "someone who passed the bar exam" who probably doesn't care what happens to you, and when they negotiate with the state, they usually cave on everything. | Aug 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The defendant sees a bad deal and goes "That's really not much better than going to trial and losing.", so most of them proceed to trial, and many lose. | Aug 28 21:27 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The state be all like "The prosecutor, who we give 3x as much money to as the public defender worked out this really awful deal. Take it or leave it.". It's by no means fair, it's just not as bad as the system we had 50 years ago where they threw you in there facing the death penalty all alone. | Aug 28 21:28 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It's a supreme court mandate that the states really would rather not have at all, and so they sabotage it with minimum compliance. | Aug 28 21:30 |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR One time I faced trial in a court system that was so corrupt that my defense attorney was a judge on the same court. He charged a lot more than other lawyers because the other judges tended to do whatever he asked for. | Aug 28 21:31 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I knew about the corruption and that's why I hired him. | Aug 28 21:32 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 28 21:32 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: +110 in the Veterans Administration alone today, before you even get to state figures. | Aug 28 21:33 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Trump's plague disaster is going on killing more veterans than soldiers who died in the Iraq War. | Aug 28 21:34 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: Gallup poll shows Republicans are even more skeptical of a COVID-19 vaccine than Democrats and Independents. | Aug 28 21:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't trust it even with Trump branding on it like he's promoting his scam colleges and fake charities and Trump Steaks. | Aug 28 21:58 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://news.gallup.com/poll/317018/one-three-americans-not-covid-vaccine.aspx | Aug 28 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.gallup.com | One in Three Americans Would Not Get COVID-19 Vaccine | Aug 28 21:58 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | MinceR: One of the discharge notices went to Helvey & Associates, a debt collector for a mental health clinic in Indiana. | Aug 28 22:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're literally based in someone's house in a corn field. | Aug 28 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Which is like the most Indiana thing ever. | Aug 28 22:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They sent me another notice about medical bills from 2007 and 2008 this year claiming I now owed them twice as much despite the statute of limitations, unless I acknowledge it somehow) and I could log into HelveyPay dot com. | Aug 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I had too much fun with that one. I was like "Eh, I'm filing bankruptcy anyway, so you can just log into www dot hell if I'll pay dot com and do your worse.". | Aug 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | *worst | Aug 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC[m] | In the letter, I said "By the way, tell the Bowen Center thanks for putting me on that horrible medication that sent me to the hospital. I'm filing bankruptcy against them and the hospital too.". | Aug 28 22:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: I found a neat trick to up Mandy's income listed on his W-2 at the end of the year. | Aug 28 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | We need to clear a certain threshold to reach the income where we can sponsor ourselves. | Aug 28 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Walmart says every time you use the discount card, they add it as taxable wages on the W-2 form. | Aug 28 22:12 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So by using the discount card whenever I shop, I can pay the IRS a little more in taxes (a few bucks) at the end of the year and increase Mandy's "wages" by perhaps hundreds of dollars for the year. | Aug 28 22:13 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It doesn't work on all groceries, but it does seem to work on snacks, fresh produce, and coffee and tea and stuff. | Aug 28 22:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So I've started leaving that off my online pickup orders and going inside to use the discount card and up his taxable income by like $10-15 a week on groceries and stuff. | Aug 28 22:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It would actually be kind of funny if they had to approve his immigration case because I was buying stuff at Walmart. | Aug 28 22:15 |
| MinceR | (cat) (audio:unimportant) https://i.imgur.com/BFrHnRZ.mp4 | Aug 28 22:20 |
| MinceR | https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/die | Aug 28 22:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Die | Aug 28 22:32 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yeah, but all of the people who really would improve my life by dying don't die quickly enough. | Aug 28 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They sit in the White House 100 pounds overweight, drinking 12 diet cokes a day, scarfing down McDonalds. | Aug 28 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Figuring out how to waste my money on a wall and piss China off. | Aug 28 22:41 |
| DaemonFC[m] | 6,088,485 cases of COVID-19 (confirmed). | Aug 28 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Maybe Trump will get his supporters something nice for their "anniversary". | Aug 28 22:44 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Even if Trump loses, 500,000 Americans will be dead from this shit by January 20th. | Aug 28 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | If Trump doesn't care about this now, do you think that'll change from November through January? | Aug 28 22:54 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The US has become Russia, where we just accept that bad things are going to happen and it's because of bad leadership, and then that leadership actually might still be there for years to come anyway, despite an election. | Aug 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nice cat... | Aug 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | [21:33] <DaemonFC[m]> schestowitz: +110 in the Veterans Administration alone today, before you even get to state figures. | Aug 28 23:41 |
| schestowitz | They are a vulnerable group | Aug 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Aug 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I rarely even mention US figures online (anymore) | Aug 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | as I stopped trusting them nearly a month ago | Aug 28 23:42 |
| scientes | XRevan86, what are the religious leaders (not the supreme leader) of Iran called? | Aug 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | less testing, so you now compare apples to orange | Aug 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | *oranges | Aug 28 23:42 |
| scientes | I can't find anything even slightly decent on the Islamic Republic form of government, but I already know how it works, I just forgot the name of the leaders so I can find a list of them | Aug 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | scientes: Ayatollah? | Aug 28 23:43 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I don't know, some kind of imam? | Aug 28 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Mullahs? | Aug 28 23:43 |
| scientes | yeah I think Mullahs | Aug 28 23:43 |
| scientes | damn, I think I need to learn Arabic (yes, I know that Iran does not speak Arabic) | Aug 28 23:44 |
| scientes | the one I asked a question to before had an english web site | Aug 28 23:44 |
| scientes | but I need to remember his name | Aug 28 23:44 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <DaemonFC[m]> Rockbox never bothered with the Zune, although that would have been awesome. | Aug 28 23:44 |
| schestowitz | For Microsoft. Helping to sell more of these bricks. | Aug 28 23:44 |
| scientes | XRevan86, I guess you are not familiar with the Islamic Republic's form of government | Aug 28 23:44 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: For some reason, I don't | Aug 28 23:45 |
| schestowitz | 'government'... | Aug 28 23:45 |
| XRevan86 | * I am not | Aug 28 23:45 |
| scientes | yeah I can only find anti-Iran stuff in English | Aug 28 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | God as leaders | Aug 28 23:45 |
| schestowitz | his middlemen as executors | Aug 28 23:45 |
| schestowitz | and executioners | Aug 28 23:45 |
| scientes | I need to learn Arabic | Aug 28 23:46 |
| scientes | I could certainly find decent information in Arabic | Aug 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | would you use it? | Aug 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | if not, you'll lose it as I did | Aug 28 23:46 |
| scientes | schestowitz, you studied Arabic? | Aug 28 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | scientes: I only know that Iran is unique in that it's dominated by shiit islam | Aug 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | several years, yes | Aug 28 23:46 |
| XRevan86 | * schiit | Aug 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | any language you learn, if you stop practicing, you will lose it | Aug 28 23:47 |
| XRevan86 | (I immediately understood why the accepted spelling has a "sch") | Aug 28 23:47 |
| scientes | XRevan86, that is true, but Khamenei invented a completely different type of government, and he was also influenced by Sufi islam | Aug 28 23:47 |
| scientes | schestowitz, did you ever use it? | Aug 28 23:48 |
| MinceR | shi'ite | Aug 28 23:48 |
| scientes | My Arabic is basically limited to al-Fatihah | Aug 28 23:49 |
| oarion7 | the general standard in english now at leastin academia is "shi'i" | Aug 28 23:52 |
| oarion7 | why say shiite and not sunnite | Aug 28 23:52 |
| scientes | https://www.sistani.org/english/ | Aug 28 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.sistani.org | Home - The Official Website of the Office of His Eminence Al-Sayyid Ali Al-Husseini Al-Sistani | Aug 28 23:52 | |
| oarion7 | scientes: your arabic sounds about as good as mine | Aug 28 23:52 |
| scientes | they call themselves clerics in English | Aug 28 23:52 |
| oarion7 | i would love to go to iran and learn persian | Aug 28 23:52 |
| scientes | oarion7, not possible for me as a US national | Aug 28 23:52 |
| scientes | I can only go on tours | Aug 28 23:52 |
| oarion7 | scientes: same, at the moment | Aug 28 23:53 |
| oarion7 | you could pull it off until very recently, but maybe no more than one semester | Aug 28 23:53 |
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| oarion7 | the modern iranian state is not fond of sufism | Aug 28 23:54 |
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| scientes | I said influenced | Aug 28 23:54 |
| oarion7 | scientes: you're right | Aug 28 23:54 |
| oarion7 | they love sufism if you call it irfan haha | Aug 28 23:55 |
| scientes | when it comes to sharia it certainly would be shia | Aug 28 23:55 |
| XRevan86 | This discussion reminded me of HarfBuzz: https://medium.com/@behdadesfahbod/2262ec7b8af2 | Aug 28 23:55 |
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| scientes | but I really only have studied the Koran, not Islamic politics | Aug 28 23:55 |
| oarion7 | there are sufi orders in iran that converted and became shia so they are jurisprudentially still very shia | Aug 28 23:55 |
| oarion7 | but the state still considers them a problem | Aug 28 23:55 |
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| scientes | I don't really consider the two the same thing | Aug 28 23:56 |
| XRevan86 | Do you know what's the difference between the two branches? | Aug 28 23:56 |
| MinceR | it's easy to get people to hate other people with religion | Aug 28 23:56 |
| scientes | XRevan86, Mohammed's nephew Ali | Aug 28 23:56 |
| oarion7 | i converted when i lived in europe then studied anthropology of islam in grad school | Aug 28 23:56 |
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| XRevan86 | oarion7: Converted what to what? | Aug 28 23:57 |
| scientes | XRevan86, they disagree about who should have led the community after the death of Mohammed | Aug 28 23:57 |
| XRevan86 | Imperial to Metric? | Aug 28 23:57 |
| scientes | so it is, and always has been, a political difference | Aug 28 23:57 |
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| oarion7 | XRevan86: Yes, subhanallah | Aug 28 23:58 |
| oarion7 | Inches and stones belong to Shaytan | Aug 28 23:58 |
| XRevan86 | shaytan-maytan! | Aug 28 23:58 |
| schestowitz | [23:48] <scientes> schestowitz, did you ever use it? | Aug 28 23:58 |
| schestowitz | barely | Aug 28 23:58 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Iran is Persian | Aug 28 23:59 |
| schestowitz | not Arabic | Aug 28 23:59 |
| scientes | schestowitz, what was the reason | Aug 28 23:59 |
| scientes | yes I know | Aug 28 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Many people also mistake Islam for arabic | Aug 28 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Pakistan doesn't speak anything remotely like Arabic | Aug 28 23:59 |
| scientes | but when I interacted with people knowledgable of religion in Iran they know Arabic | Aug 28 23:59 |
| XRevan86 | oarion7: I see them as belonging to the past, but okay. | Aug 28 23:59 |
| schestowitz | scientes: I like languages | Aug 28 23:59 |
| schestowitz | but I found I don't need many | Aug 28 23:59 |
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