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| smnthermes | > [11:38:40] MinceR: not only that, but bullying people with the same trademark policy bullshit mozilla used to make failfox nonfree | Nov 28 00:00 |
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| smnthermes | According to the GNU Project, it isn't non-free: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html | Nov 28 00:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation | Nov 28 00:00 | |
| smnthermes | "Rules about how to package a modified version are acceptable, if they don't substantively limit your freedom to release modified versions, or your freedom to make and use modified versions privately. Thus, it is acceptable for the license to require that you change the name of the modified version, remove a logo, or identify your modifications as yours. As long as these requirements are not so burd | Nov 28 00:00 |
| smnthermes | ensome that they effectively hamper you from releasing your changes, they are acceptable; you're already making other changes to the program, so you won't have trouble making a few more." | Nov 28 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At that point, the explanation was "Hey, we just want to give you some free basic protection because it would be impossible to clean your system out if you ever want to upgrade to the paid version and viruses have already gotten in.". | Nov 28 00:00 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But then, over the next years, they started coming with toolbars and drive-by downloads, and spying on the user. | Nov 28 00:01 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Temptation to turn a profit off their "free" userbase was obviously too much because even making a few cents per user with billions of users.... | Nov 28 00:01 |
| MinceR | smnthermes: according to the GNU Project, systemd is free | Nov 28 00:01 |
| MinceR | smnthermes: still, if they thought failfox was free, why did they make GNU IceCat? | Nov 28 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | DRM, privacy issues, various blobs and unethical non-Free web services being pitched in Firefox. | Nov 28 00:02 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Honestly, Chromium is far less obnoxious out of the box at this point. | Nov 28 00:03 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 28 00:03 |
| MinceR | which is kind of sad | Nov 28 00:03 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Mozilla is not really investing in Firefox on Linux that much. | Nov 28 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It STILL doesn't have WebRender on by default in the majority of cases. | Nov 28 00:04 |
| DaemonFC[m] | It depends heavily on graphics card, driver, and screen resolutions. | Nov 28 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They prioritized the proprietary Nvidia driver. | Nov 28 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi is building a fairly good browser, honestly. | Nov 28 00:05 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They don't really have any interest in feeding into Google's adtech nonsense. | Nov 28 00:06 |
| MinceR | vivaldi isn't even free | Nov 28 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | But it's Chromium underneath, so sites should work okay. | Nov 28 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The majority of it is. | Nov 28 00:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | That's about all you can say for Firefox these days. | Nov 28 00:06 |
| MinceR | yeah, the part which you can get and use without the proprietary crap :> | Nov 28 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Their GUI code is proprietary, but human readable. | Nov 28 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Adblock code is Free. | Nov 28 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The Chromium stuff is Free. | Nov 28 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So it's like 99% Free and 1% proprietary (the UI). | Nov 28 00:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Yes, but as Chromium, it's got all kinds of Google hooks, which is certainly not "better" as far as your privacy goes. | Nov 28 00:08 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Vivaldi pries those out. They do have a sync server, but to fetch and decrypt your data, you need your Vivaldi Account password and then a decryption password. Just using your Vivaldi Account password isn't even allowed. | Nov 28 00:08 |
| MinceR | how do you trust nonfree software with your privacy? | Nov 28 00:11 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Well, for starters, they are at least covered by stronger privacy laws than the US has. | Nov 28 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | At least most of the US. The CCPA is better than outside California. | Nov 28 00:14 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Whenever I'm on the VPN server in most European countries, I get "Sorry you aren't allowed to use this site because of the GDPR.". | Nov 28 00:15 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Facebook at least has to pay out $650 million to people in Illinois. | Nov 28 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Because they broke the BIPA law with biometric data. | Nov 28 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | I put in a claim for myself and Mandy. | Nov 28 00:17 |
| DaemonFC[m] | So we should get almost $300 for that. | Nov 28 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They're leaning on the legislature to neuter the BIPA law. Not just them. | Nov 28 00:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Some employers got sued and lost because they required employees to submit fingerprint data to use a time clock. | Nov 28 00:18 |
| MinceR | GDPR covers google's stuff too, if it's used from the EU | Nov 28 00:22 |
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| vZS1 | The web is in a pretty bad state. Browsers are a big reason why. It went from being a nice way to view HTML to the lumbering piles of nonsense today. | Nov 28 00:36 |
| vZS1 | If I want to watch a video I'll use something like VLC | Nov 28 00:37 |
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| vZS1 | I don't care for using my web browser as a media application | Nov 28 00:37 |
| vZS1 | If I want to read a PDF, I'll use Okular | Nov 28 00:38 |
| vZS1 | This cargo cult of doing everything with browsers needs to hurry up and die | Nov 28 00:39 |
| search_social | don't worry node.js runs directly on your host hardware now so the browser is unnecessary | Nov 28 00:41 |
| vZS1 | Not on my hardware | Nov 28 00:42 |
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| search_social | in fact i heard the browser is being phased out so it's more of a web portal to approved sites and has no capability to navigate to a URL anymore | Nov 28 00:46 |
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| DaemonFC[m] | https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/america-failed-covid-economys-ok-why/617223/ | Nov 28 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | America Failed at COVID-19, but the Economy's Okay - The Atlantic | Nov 28 01:06 | |
| DaemonFC[m] | 800,000 new unemployment claims every week. | Nov 28 01:06 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Eviction moratoriums and unemployment benefits that only last 30 more days the only thing propping up 20 million people. | Nov 28 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Couldn't be better! | Nov 28 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | schestowitz: NPR reported on the radio that Disney fired another 4,000 people from their theme parks. | Nov 28 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | They plan to let another 33,000 go. | Nov 28 01:07 |
| DaemonFC[m] | The plan to reopen was a disaster, even without governments like Florida saying they couldn't. | Nov 28 01:08 |
| search_social | what skill set do these people have | Nov 28 01:10 |
| search_social | they are probably easily exploitable | Nov 28 01:10 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Disney doesn't really pay well and they demand a lot, like roasting in the Florida sun dressed up in a costume every day, and not breaking character. | Nov 28 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And now dealing with sick people who just had to go to Disney World during a respiratory pandemic. | Nov 28 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | Now these fuckers are in another scandal. | Nov 28 01:18 |
| DaemonFC[m] | One of the actors from The Mandalorian is an anti-masker who has been quite vocal about it. | Nov 28 01:19 |
| DaemonFC[m] | And some people are calling for a Disney+ boycott over that. | Nov 28 01:19 |
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| search_social | wow suddenly i love disney | Nov 28 01:27 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC[m]: https://www.mdsassociates.com/mascot-character-suit-cooling-elements Turns out people playing Disney chars don't roast. Stupid as it sounds being in the hot Florida sun and in fact freezing is more likely. | Nov 28 01:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mdsassociates.com | Evaporative Cooling Apparel for Mascots & Costumes | MDS | Nov 28 01:42 | |
| oiaohm | And its cost cutting if you cool your suits correctly people don't sweet a lot in them and they last longer. | Nov 28 01:43 |
| oiaohm | So disney cooling there suites is not for the wearer. | Nov 28 01:43 |
| search_social | sounds like dune stillsuit | Nov 28 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Some of the mascot gear gets down right close to dune stillsuit. | Nov 28 01:46 |
| oiaohm | right down to the description of not having the best smell. | Nov 28 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Big different is of course no water recycling in the mascot gear yet the dune stilsuit has that. | Nov 28 01:48 |
| search_social | perhaps the water recycling is a trade secret of disney | Nov 28 01:51 |
| oiaohm | No its not cost effective. | Nov 28 01:57 |
| oiaohm | If it was you could bet they would be doing it. | Nov 28 01:58 |
| search_social | well perhaps it's cost effective after you data mine it and sell advertising or union busting information | Nov 28 01:59 |
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| schestowitz | [01:06] <DaemonFC[m]> 800,000 new unemployment claims every week. | Nov 28 04:38 |
| schestowitz | source/link? | Nov 28 04:38 |
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| schestowitz | [22:50] <vZS1> schestowitz: I bought a second hand HP laptop for my dad, yesterday. £95. Slapped Debian on it with KDE plasma. | Nov 28 05:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that's what I would do too, with KDE/Debian | Nov 28 05:57 |
| DaemonFC[m] | https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/527797-biden-adds-to-vote-margin-over-trump-after-milwaukee-county-recount | Nov 28 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden adds to vote margin over Trump after Milwaukee County recount | TheHill | Nov 28 06:05 | |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: https://blog.powerdns.com/2020/11/27/goodbye-dns-goodbye-powerdns/ | Nov 28 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.powerdns.com | Goodbye DNS, Goodbye PowerDNS! | PowerDNS Blog | Nov 28 06:45 | |
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| schestowitz | https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=sv&u=https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=7611674 | Nov 28 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate | Nov 28 07:11 | |
| vZS1 | Barely anyone bothers to run their own DNS server. It's largely because static IP addresses are so scarce. | Nov 28 08:50 |
| vZS1 | If static IP addresses were easy to acquire, you wouldn't see so much of the internet being hijacked by the big corporations | Nov 28 08:51 |
| vZS1 | That's why P2P technology is all based on content-addressing or identity-addressing, instead of location-addressing. | Nov 28 08:52 |
| vZS1 | That blog post is pretty accurate. Most will just run DNS via Google or Cloudflare | Nov 28 08:53 |
| vZS1 | DNS propagation is one of the biggest issues with that stack. It's basically game over because the entire system is rigged to favour a small set of companies. | Nov 28 08:54 |
| vZS1 | You can be 100% compliant with the specs but it doesn't mean shit | Nov 28 08:54 |
| vZS1 | Email and DNS are lost causes. We need something better to replace them. | Nov 28 09:01 |
| vZS1 | DNS already has alternatives that P2P networks use | Nov 28 09:02 |
| vZS1 | Email can also be easily replaced | Nov 28 09:02 |
| vZS1 | In fact, email is in decline anyway with all the messaging software people use | Nov 28 09:05 |
| vZS1 | The domain registrar bullshittery is another thing we need to push against | Nov 28 09:09 |
| vZS1 | Onion websites and IP(F/N)S is a step in the right direction | Nov 28 09:16 |
| vZS1 | Because both are built on top of networks that are decentralised | Nov 28 09:17 |
| schestowitz | and cert monopolies | Nov 28 09:17 |
| schestowitz | "if you build [alternative], people will come" | Nov 28 09:18 |
| schestowitz | or so one hopes | Nov 28 09:18 |
| schestowitz | until that alternative gets infiltrated, hijacked, derailed, demonised, banned | Nov 28 09:18 |
| oiaohm | Lot more people run their own dns servers inside their business vpns. This was one of the hells systemd run into with attempting to enforce dnssec | Nov 28 09:26 |
| vZS1 | It makes more sense for business as well | Nov 28 09:36 |
| vZS1 | These new distributed architectures are cheaper to run in-house | Nov 28 09:36 |
| vZS1 | So the outlook is good | Nov 28 09:36 |
| vZS1 | In, large | Nov 28 09:36 |
| vZS1 | s/,// | Nov 28 09:37 |
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| oiaohm | Email I have had to set up those for business hosted on site. How often finding out they are not getting email because they have been added to some black list for spamming or the like. | Nov 28 09:40 |
| oiaohm | that not getting email or recieving emial | Nov 28 09:40 |
| oiaohm | Of course the logs show they absolutely have done nothing wrong. | Nov 28 09:40 |
| vZS1 | The days of those large server farms are numbered | Nov 28 09:40 |
| oiaohm | Large server farms hosting stuff from multi countries I see could be numbed. With privacy regulations. | Nov 28 09:41 |
| vZS1 | They'll probably end up being repurposed as mainframes for heavy computation | Nov 28 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Like the fact EU and USA privacy regulations don't align. | Nov 28 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Neither do the Australia/USA and so on. | Nov 28 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Once the companies start getting prosecuted for breaching their own countries privacy laws for using overseas hosting then things in that area will change fairly quickly. | Nov 28 09:43 |
| psydroid | or maybe they'll just be written off, because it costs too much money to keep them running | Nov 28 09:44 |
| psydroid | I can see that happening especially with the older Intel-based servers | Nov 28 09:45 |
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| vZS1 | SoC are getting better specs every year. You can build everything you need on a few of those | Nov 28 09:49 |
| vZS1 | Including intensive software hosting like chat/video suites | Nov 28 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Power efficiency is going to be a major thing with servers. AMD EPYC are well ahead of the Intel Xeons in power usage. | Nov 28 09:50 |
| oiaohm | SoC have their fair share of problems. | Nov 28 09:50 |
| vZS1 | And the main thing is SoC/SBC are affordable | Nov 28 09:51 |
| oiaohm | A server based around a ryzen 6 core can do a hell load. | Nov 28 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Still not that expensive. | Nov 28 09:51 |
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| vZS1 | So it's not like before when you had to shell out a lot of money for your server racks | Nov 28 09:52 |
| psydroid | I mentioned this a few times before but I believe clown computing was devised as a way to decommoditise high-end computing by jacking up hardware prices so the only way for many smaller companies to be able to afford it anymore would be to rent computing capacity | Nov 28 09:52 |
| oiaohm | You can in fact get Am4 motherboards and coolers in 1U cases. | Nov 28 09:53 |
| vZS1 | That's a pretty plausible hypothesis | Nov 28 09:53 |
| vZS1 | Good thing that's failing | Nov 28 09:54 |
| vZS1 | Right now the main issue is the clown computing has a massive cargo cult | Nov 28 09:54 |
| oiaohm | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32961937066.html I only have one major problem with Am4 in a 1U is either a cooler like this or a total fin cooler on AM4 results in having fan noise that likes going above 70 db. | Nov 28 09:55 |
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| schestowitz | [09:54] <vZS1> Right now the main issue is the clown computing has a massive cargo cult | Nov 28 09:56 |
| schestowitz | more of a marketing stunt | Nov 28 09:56 |
| schestowitz | led by army, their contractors etc. | Nov 28 09:56 |
| schestowitz | like GAFAM | Nov 28 09:56 |
| schestowitz | "give us all your services and servers... it's "smart"... helps us spy on the world" | Nov 28 09:56 |
| schestowitz | it's also "secure" because, hey, let Trump mine all your data inc. your passwords | Nov 28 09:56 |
| psydroid | I went to Google Cloud Summit last year and it looked like smaller server companies were retargetting their operations to the big clown companies more as a way of self a preservation than anything else, as they were afraid of becoming obsolete and being put out of business themselves | Nov 28 09:57 |
| psydroid | at least that's what I saw from the likes of Rackspace, Nutanix etc. | Nov 28 09:58 |
| vZS1 | There's still space for something like using on-demand servers. | Nov 28 09:58 |
| vZS1 | Via an interface like Terraform | Nov 28 09:59 |
| vZS1 | It has some great advantages | Nov 28 09:59 |
| schestowitz | there's subsidy for the data/computing hoard | Nov 28 09:59 |
| vZS1 | But being totally reliant on infrastructure you don't own is just opening the door to exploitation | Nov 28 10:00 |
| schestowitz | for imperialistic purposes | Nov 28 10:00 |
| schestowitz | they want to suck up all control, through data, access etc. | Nov 28 10:00 |
| schestowitz | inc. censoring sites they dislike | Nov 28 10:00 |
| oiaohm | psydroid: its not just that its horrible things like the fact we now have with dell that epyc cpus basically lock self to mothrboard. | Nov 28 10:00 |
| vZS1 | The thing is, most small business don't know how much hardware they need | Nov 28 10:01 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot just recycle the big vendors parts as cost savings as much any more either. | Nov 28 10:01 |
| vZS1 | People are very illiterate about hardware requirements | Nov 28 10:01 |
| vZS1 | In general | Nov 28 10:01 |
| schestowitz | software changes | Nov 28 10:01 |
| vZS1 | Because that knowledge isn't "cool" | Nov 28 10:01 |
| schestowitz | circumstances to | Nov 28 10:01 |
| schestowitz | *too | Nov 28 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Worse is illiterate on their countries privacy laws requirements. | Nov 28 10:01 |
| schestowitz | the cloud sells things like "elastic" | Nov 28 10:01 |
| schestowitz | the concept you won't overpay because you pay for what you use | Nov 28 10:02 |
| schestowitz | and then they overcharge | Nov 28 10:02 |
| oiaohm | so when they break those and get caught its by by small company. | Nov 28 10:02 |
| vZS1 | Yep | Nov 28 10:02 |
| vZS1 | Get something wrong and look at your bill | Nov 28 10:02 |
| vZS1 | Look at the network charges | Nov 28 10:02 |
| vZS1 | Ingress and egress | Nov 28 10:02 |
| schestowitz | sometimes like a person's salary | Nov 28 10:02 |
| schestowitz | per month | Nov 28 10:02 |
| schestowitz | for a dozen servers/instances which are hardly utilised | Nov 28 10:02 |
| vZS1 | Disk space charge | Nov 28 10:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe minutes per day, each | Nov 28 10:02 |
| oiaohm | For normally less processing per month than a desktop CPU can do with no issue. | Nov 28 10:03 |
| schestowitz | disk space is very cheap | Nov 28 10:03 |
| schestowitz | even is RAIDed | Nov 28 10:03 |
| vZS1 | Clown computing is only succeeding because a failure in hardware education has occurred | Nov 28 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Its not like you have to start with a thread ripper or epyc class processor. | Nov 28 10:03 |
| schestowitz | ibm did that with mainframes | Nov 28 10:03 |
| schestowitz | selling $500,000 machines | Nov 28 10:03 |
| vZS1 | Devs that can't do anything outside their sheltered IDE | Nov 28 10:03 |
| schestowitz | which, if you do maintenance, will be down completely for a while, all services | Nov 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz | no load-balancing | Nov 28 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Cloud computing most business using it are breaking their countries laws. | Nov 28 10:04 |
| vZS1 | Don't know how their shell even works | Nov 28 10:04 |
| vZS1 | Forget about the kernel or hardware | Nov 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz | and communicate over "SLAAACK" | Nov 28 10:04 |
| vZS1 | Yep | Nov 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz | with shtihub account | Nov 28 10:05 |
| vZS1 | HTTP is the only protocol that exists | Nov 28 10:05 |
| schestowitz | web-based | Nov 28 10:05 |
| vZS1 | Stuff like that | Nov 28 10:05 |
| vZS1 | Oh yes | Nov 28 10:05 |
| schestowitz | giving all their code to Microsoft/NSA | Nov 28 10:05 |
| vZS1 | How could I forget SH | Nov 28 10:05 |
| kingoffrance | lots of non-tech companies dont want in-house IT i think too; they will pay more just to have someone outside to call/blame. or so they think. | Nov 28 10:05 |
| schestowitz | kingoffrance: when it's down, then: | Nov 28 10:05 |
| vZS1 | kingoffrance: penny wise pound foolish | Nov 28 10:05 |
| kingoffrance | ^ | Nov 28 10:05 |
| schestowitz | "sorry, don't know when it comes back online" | Nov 28 10:05 |
| kingoffrance | interchangeable cogs basically i think many places see it as | Nov 28 10:05 |
| kingoffrance | programmers too | Nov 28 10:06 |
| kingoffrance | loss of knowledge of course if you do it that way | Nov 28 10:06 |
| schestowitz | "half a day maybe, Ima just gonna sit on ma hands and wait for Microsoft to do something..." | Nov 28 10:06 |
| vZS1 | "programmers" | Nov 28 10:06 |
| kingoffrance | engineer > developer > progremmer > coder :) (thats a joke) | Nov 28 10:06 |
| vZS1 | With their "frameworks" | Nov 28 10:06 |
| schestowitz | "sorry, didn't get your email, maybe we need to beg or threaten Microsoft some more, maybe that'll rush D-R" | Nov 28 10:06 |
| kingoffrance | different crowds all 4 of those are insult or compliment, just depends :) | Nov 28 10:06 |
| kingoffrance | IMO | Nov 28 10:07 |
| schestowitz | a lot of them think MSVS is now "open" | Nov 28 10:07 |
| schestowitz | and MAC is "UNIX" | Nov 28 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Github is "the openss!!!" | Nov 28 10:07 |
| schestowitz | so you end up with "Open Source coders" who do everything on Microsoft servers with a Mac and MSVS, with back doors and all | Nov 28 10:07 |
| schestowitz | that's how NSA would want it | Nov 28 10:08 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ defends of your define of Unix with Mac it is a UNIX Certified product like it or not. | Nov 28 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opengroup.org | The Register of UNIX® Certified Products | Nov 28 10:08 | |
| vZS1 | Hacker culture being eroded | Nov 28 10:09 |
| oiaohm | The list of Unix certified products is getting really short. | Nov 28 10:09 |
| vZS1 | By all these propaganda outlets | Nov 28 10:09 |
| vZS1 | Doesn't help when the people leading some projects sell seats and give up what little control they had | Nov 28 10:10 |
| vZS1 | So you can't really blame people that get led astray by all the propaganda and marketing | Nov 28 10:13 |
| vZS1 | We've got people with a lot of knowledge here; if you've got something on your mind, do a write-up about it and send it to schestowitz. I'm sure more guest editorial team posts would be welcome. | Nov 28 10:21 |
| vZS1 | I've learned a lot just by hanging out in this chat | Nov 28 10:21 |
| vZS1 | Roy's good about keeping your privacy as well. | Nov 28 10:26 |
| vZS1 | And you won't see what you wrote get edited beyond recognition. | Nov 28 10:28 |
| schestowitz | no, that's considered a form of censorship | Nov 28 10:55 |
| schestowitz | the edits need to be consensual | Nov 28 10:55 |
| schestowitz | and it's tested when you publish even things you do not agree with, sometimes with swear words | Nov 28 10:55 |
| vZS1 | We need to push against the propaganda outlets. The only way to really achieve that is to cooperate and help each other out | Nov 28 10:57 |
| schestowitz | syndication | Nov 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | we repost for some suppressed voices | Nov 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | like Debian and Microsoft whistleblowers | Nov 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | because no single site has the capacity to produce much on its own | Nov 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | today I will publish 11 (at least; so far) internal EPO documents | Nov 28 10:58 |
| schestowitz | to be continued tomorrow as well | Nov 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | if someone wants to help convert PDFs to text/html, let me know | Nov 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather not publish PDFs | Nov 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | but it takes time and effort to convert their OCRd text | Nov 28 10:59 |
| schestowitz | so far this morning: | Nov 28 11:00 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/28/no-epo-survey/ | Nov 28 11:00 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2020/11/28/epo-talent-pool/ | Nov 28 11:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management, Led by António Campinos, Attempted to Stifle or Prevent Staff From Being Surveyed | Techrights | Nov 28 11:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Patent Office’s Central Staff Committee: Office Cannot Recruit Fit-for-Purpose Patent Examiners Anymore | Techrights | Nov 28 11:00 | |
| schestowitz | both converted from pdf to html | Nov 28 11:00 |
| schestowitz | 9 more to go... | Nov 28 11:00 |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2214/ | Nov 28 15:09 |
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| MinceR | https://xkcd.com/2228/ | Nov 28 15:19 |
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| MinceR | http://surrounder.nl/electronic-arts-christmas.png | Nov 28 15:30 |
| cybrNaut | schestowitz: have you published the PDFs in a not-so-public place so we can have a look? | Nov 28 15:37 |
| cybrNaut | i don't want to sign up for work w/out seeing the effort needed | Nov 28 15:38 |
| XRevan86 | https://cs10.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2020/11/24/7/1606216925194497994.jpg | Nov 28 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | Perm', introducing first in the world painted over marble. | Nov 28 16:04 |
| MinceR | such luxury | Nov 28 16:09 |
| cybrNaut | if they paint a marble pattern over that I might be okay with it | Nov 28 16:19 |
| cybrNaut | i guess it's not the painters fault. They hired the wrong kind of worker. shoulda hired someone with a sand blaster | Nov 28 16:22 |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080437 | Nov 28 16:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4802025) | Nov 28 16:23 | |
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| oiaohm | cybrNaut: No sand blaster makes the next time parties badly graffiti the wall the paint sticks better same with water blasting it off. | Nov 28 16:33 |
| oiaohm | The right paint you basically get a stripable layer if they paint on it again without damaging the wall surface. | Nov 28 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Most of the stuff I had die was games so not that important. | Nov 28 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Opps last line wrong channel. | Nov 28 16:46 |
| cybrNaut | i was wondering that.. if there is a clear coat that makes it easy to remove spray paint | Nov 28 17:05 |
| cybrNaut | i suppose car wax would work | Nov 28 17:05 |
| schestowitz | removing it from marble is easy | Nov 28 17:10 |
| schestowitz | because unlike some other material you can shave off the paint | Nov 28 17:10 |
| schestowitz | if not with polisher, than a harder and coarser disc | Nov 28 17:11 |
| schestowitz | *then | Nov 28 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | what I don't get is, why wear a hazmat-like suit? | Nov 28 17:13 |
| schestowitz | the spray paint of the gas that sprays the paint? | Nov 28 17:13 |
| schestowitz | *or | Nov 28 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Novichok agent for the people at the top | Nov 28 17:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 28 17:19 |
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| search_social | schestowitz: do you use ebook-convert on the pdf or something else | Nov 28 18:31 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 28 18:31 |
| schestowitz | manual | Nov 28 18:31 |
| schestowitz | there's OCR | Nov 28 18:31 |
| schestowitz | but needs editing | Nov 28 18:31 |
| schestowitz | for layout, remove newlines, style | Nov 28 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: and then what's for dessert? | Nov 28 19:47 |
| MinceR | maybe another cup of "crunchy vegetable salad" | Nov 28 19:48 |
| MinceR | or a bar of chocolate maybe | Nov 28 19:48 |
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| MinceR | https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705778.jpg | Nov 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > FYI: | Nov 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | > "FFII Calls for Donations Against Unitary Software | Nov 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | > Patent Trolls After a Disastrous Bundestag Vote" | Nov 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=20/11/27/1654250 | Nov 28 20:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | FFII Calls for Donations Against Unitary Software Patent Trolls After a Disastrous Bundestag Vote - SoylentNews | Nov 28 20:56 | |
| MinceR | (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20073155 | Nov 28 21:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4794908) | Nov 28 21:04 | |
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| schestowitz | zoobab: working on the complaint yet? | Nov 28 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://fosstodon.org/@PublicNuisance/105188949379603445 | Nov 28 22:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | PublicNuisance: "@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology Can't say i'm …" - Fosstodon | Nov 28 22:15 | |
| schestowitz | "Can't say i'm shocked. It's hard enough to get them to use Linux on their computers, asking for them to also use FOSS software may be pushing it." | Nov 28 22:15 |
| schestowitz | https://pleroma.site/notice/A1ec3Fa9P7ZscIUK5A | Nov 28 22:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 22:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qoto.org | Paul Sutton: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Cryptpad offer some re…" - Qoto Mastodon | Nov 28 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | Cryptpad offer some really nice services just how do we promote them to people when most have only ever heard of Google and Microsoft, we need to create demand for learning how to use them (even from existing users) so people put on courses, perhaps. | Nov 28 22:17 |
| schestowitz | We need to change the narrative and create demand for skills using freedom / privacy respecting tools | Nov 28 22:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 28 22:17 |
| search_social | killer app | Nov 28 22:18 |
| schestowitz | killer app.. killall -9 | Nov 28 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Biden will soon have an "app" for authorising drone strikes. | Nov 28 22:25 |
| schestowitz | KillerApp(TM) | Nov 28 22:25 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: article on privacy and ed(1)? the larrer soon? I got some positive feedback | Nov 28 22:29 |
| schestowitz | *latter | Nov 28 22:29 |
| schestowitz | will soon solder and set up raspi | Nov 28 22:29 |
| schestowitz | it's barebones now, I have lots of stuff to add to it | Nov 28 22:30 |
| schestowitz | there will be the first downtime for it once I get a soldering gun o finish building it | Nov 28 22:30 |
| schestowitz | maybe one day a backup raspi... can't believe how cheap it is and quick to power up, set up... took under an hour with low learning curve | Nov 28 22:31 |
| search_social | https://0x0.st/iRxa.png | Nov 28 22:31 |
| search_social | lot of potential internet users out there | Nov 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | yes, we need INTERNET users | Nov 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | not Web users | Nov 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | use the protocol for switches, not for browsers | Nov 28 22:32 |
| search_social | just need a killer app | Nov 28 22:33 |
| vZS1 | IPFS is a killer app (: | Nov 28 22:34 |
| search_social | that's just file storage | Nov 28 22:35 |
| search_social | the distinguishing feature needs to be something fundamentally different about the way the user experiences it | Nov 28 22:35 |
| search_social | not some internal techno gizmo | Nov 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Bandwidth | Nov 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | TotalIn: 34 GB | Nov 28 22:36 |
| vZS1 | Then you don't understand why IPFS is revolutionary | Nov 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | TotalOut: 14 GB | Nov 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I implemented a chatset code fix last night | Nov 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | *charset | Nov 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | so we still don't have it in 100% stable | Nov 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | a couple of days in a row, in the archive, we have bulletins with 8 invalid chars in them | Nov 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | some editors cope OK | Nov 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | kate does not, it falls back onto another chatset, so it's good I tested and caught that only days later | Nov 28 22:37 |
| schestowitz | something about the handling of when converted to plain text | Nov 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | [22:35] <search_social> the distinguishing feature needs to be something fundamentally different about the way the user experiences it | Nov 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | It can be made more accessible, case of point: | Nov 28 22:38 |
| vZS1 | Use the desktop client | Nov 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/category/irc-logs/ We have scripts set up to share all of techrights stuff every 24 hours | Nov 28 22:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Logs | Techrights | Nov 28 22:39 | |
| schestowitz | so you can get the site without a Web browser | Nov 28 22:39 |
| schestowitz | even the irc logs have txt only mode, and over ipfs if you want to avoid http as well as www | Nov 28 22:39 |
| schestowitz | so no browser, no html renderer | Nov 28 22:39 |
| schestowitz | and you can still read everything in the site | Nov 28 22:39 |
| schestowitz | even when the site is 'down; | Nov 28 22:40 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: Nothing new from me for a while. Will be occupied with something else for about a month | Nov 28 22:40 |
| schestowitz | it'll come from a peer host | Nov 28 22:40 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: I think we have it going OK for years to come like this, unless the raspi machine dies or something. I make backups of it every now and then. | Nov 28 22:40 |
| schestowitz | to peer machine and offline drive | Nov 28 22:40 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. The Pi will last you a good few years | Nov 28 22:41 |
| schestowitz | but I am guessing you installed things outside userspace | Nov 28 22:41 |
| schestowitz | like that git stuff for bash/bin | Nov 28 22:41 |
| vZS1 | Well, that's all stuff available on any base Debian install | Nov 28 22:41 |
| schestowitz | i have a question | Nov 28 22:42 |
| vZS1 | The IPFS binary is the only thing you really need that's not base | Nov 28 22:42 |
| schestowitz | would it be ok to derive from the text primer an article about ipfs? | Nov 28 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I want more readers of ours to become peers | Nov 28 22:42 |
| vZS1 | The Go binaries were just in case I needed them | Nov 28 22:42 |
| schestowitz | many have raspi at hand | Nov 28 22:42 |
| vZS1 | Sure, go ahead | Nov 28 22:43 |
| schestowitz | ta | Nov 28 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I am desperate to get off the Web | Nov 28 22:43 |
| search_social | debian not devuan? | Nov 28 22:43 |
| vZS1 | You can ping me to take a look at the draft | Nov 28 22:43 |
| schestowitz | too much abuse like censorship | Nov 28 22:43 |
| schestowitz | set aside bloat and privacy issues | Nov 28 22:43 |
| vZS1 | IPFS uses encryption by default | Nov 28 22:43 |
| vZS1 | No cert authority | Nov 28 22:44 |
| vZS1 | Everyone generates their own | Nov 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | ok, good | Nov 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | so no opportunity for centralisation | Nov 28 22:44 |
| vZS1 | Nope | Nov 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | FB, shithub, google | Nov 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I hear back from people who leave github | Nov 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | we give them reasons to | Nov 28 22:44 |
| vZS1 | There's a lot of technology under the surface | Nov 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊): "Already moved some of my repos to #gitlab." https://pleroma.site/notice/A1cIzXut0a8QsOms5o #microsoft #monoppoly #proprietarySoftware #deletegithub [https://pleroma.site/objects/d886eedd-ecaf-4aa0-ba1e-736127697d8d] | Nov 28 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adnan360: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Already moved some of m…" - mas.to | Nov 28 22:45 | |
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| schestowitz | Less than an hour ago | Nov 28 22:45 |
| vZS1 | I kept it simple for you so you could just go ahead and use it | Nov 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | I now have time to advocate it a bit | Nov 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | to get the so-called 'buzz' where I can | Nov 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | so-called 'viral' | Nov 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | the social control media terms.. | Nov 28 22:45 |
| vZS1 | Yeah. It's pretty thrilling to get in the swarm | Nov 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | few people know about it | Nov 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | and some associate it with bad things | Nov 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | like "file sharing" | Nov 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | the term which became synonymous with "PIRACY" | Nov 28 22:46 |
| vZS1 | It's the wild West | Nov 28 22:46 |
| vZS1 | Anything goes | Nov 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I mean, why would I "SHARE A FILE?" | Nov 28 22:46 |
| vZS1 | That's the thing | Nov 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | to anyone, anything... Sharing is a crime | Nov 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Why would I encrypt? | Nov 28 22:47 |
| vZS1 | Sharing a file is just so alien to people | Nov 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Look what happened in Vienna | Nov 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | first people encrypt | Nov 28 22:47 |
| vZS1 | Without using some third party software | Nov 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | next thing you know dumb, demented Islamic terrorists shoot people with a PGP rifle | Nov 28 22:47 |
| vZS1 | Declare a fatwa with their elliptic curves | Nov 28 22:48 |
| schestowitz | the WHATWA? | Nov 28 22:48 |
| schestowitz | "Help Make Techrights (and Other Technology Sites) More Robust to Censorship by Setting Up More IPFS Nodes" | Nov 28 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I will follow with some guidelines from homedir | Nov 28 22:50 |
| schestowitz | maybe one day around xmas i will even write a client for it | Nov 28 22:50 |
| schestowitz | assumign there are good libs wit good apis | Nov 28 22:50 |
| schestowitz | not "apps" | Nov 28 22:50 |
| schestowitz | maybe some tools made specifically for fetching techrights stuff from the cli | Nov 28 22:51 |
| schestowitz | $ read-techrights -i | -b (irc/bulletin) Date | Nov 28 22:51 |
| schestowitz | and then it checks your system / env text editor, opens it in that | Nov 28 22:52 |
| schestowitz | fetches the ipfs chain along with that script | Nov 28 22:52 |
| schestowitz | no http, no www | Nov 28 22:52 |
| schestowitz | but that would be a big project, maybe tonight I will research improving the text layout a bit or text compatibility with more text editors | Nov 28 22:52 |
| search_social | good point sharing a file is verboten | Nov 28 22:54 |
| search_social | we need some kind of rebranding | Nov 28 22:54 |
| schestowitz | sharing is a good word | Nov 28 22:54 |
| schestowitz | file is innocuous | Nov 28 22:54 |
| schestowitz | when the words are combined people can associate it with p2p='piracy' | Nov 28 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Techrights IPFS node here now exceeds 50GB 3 weeks down the line. Now bad considering how young it is. Full site accesss, no single pointof failure, no HTTP, no WWW, no HTML | Nov 28 22:55 |
| search_social | what's something that people unambiguously own | Nov 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | *not bad | Nov 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | ownership of digital things is weird | Nov 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I'd avoid the word | Nov 28 22:55 |
| schestowitz | like "intellectual property" | Nov 28 22:56 |
| search_social | maybe a blog | Nov 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | like "intellectual assets" | Nov 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | or "ownership rights" | Nov 28 22:56 |
| search_social | i'll call it blogging then | Nov 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | those are things you can copy a million times | Nov 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | houses are owned | Nov 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | because you cannot replicate them | Nov 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | data is not the same | Nov 28 22:56 |
| search_social | you just so happen to be blogging a large collection of movies | Nov 28 22:56 |
| search_social | yeah that sounds harmless enough | Nov 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | you can "own" air better than you can "own" bits on a medium | Nov 28 22:56 |
| search_social | i have a feeling these arguments would get you life in federal prison | Nov 28 22:57 |
| search_social | or in aaron's case just death | Nov 28 22:57 |
| vZS1 | I disagree. If you wrote a song or a book you should have ownership over the intellectual property | Nov 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I'd avoid those terms | Nov 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | copyright-assigned | Nov 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | a right to have a copy | Nov 28 22:57 |
| schestowitz | sounds better | Nov 28 22:57 |
| search_social | copyright isn't about a right to copy tho | Nov 28 22:57 |
| search_social | it's about depriving others of the right to copy | Nov 28 22:58 |
| vZS1 | That's not a right to have a copy | Nov 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | if you lack the right to make a copy, like gpl software modified and distributed, then there are legal instruments at hand | Nov 28 22:58 |
| vZS1 | Very incorrect words | Nov 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | copyright is a limitation | Nov 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | almost every law is a limitation | Nov 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | more laws = fewers things you can do | Nov 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | laws do not enable things | Nov 28 22:58 |
| schestowitz | some permit you to do things you'd otherwise not be sure you could do | Nov 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | or authorise something like theft of public funds | Nov 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | laws that grant public money, tax breaks etc. | Nov 28 22:59 |
| vZS1 | I hold copyright over various things. If someone infringes that copyright I'm taking them to court | Nov 28 23:00 |
| vZS1 | That's why people license things | Nov 28 23:00 |
| search_social | yeah blogging sounds safer | Nov 28 23:00 |
| vZS1 | Those licenses can be a wide array | Nov 28 23:00 |
| search_social | so some kind of app that helps people blog about their movie collections | Nov 28 23:01 |
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| vZS1 | There's a big difference between copyright and DRM | Nov 28 23:04 |
| vZS1 | DRM treats customers like criminals | Nov 28 23:05 |
| vZS1 | Whereas copyright protects someone's IP | Nov 28 23:05 |
| search_social | copyright arguably protects publishers not artists | Nov 28 23:08 |
| vZS1 | Artwork also falls under copyright law | Nov 28 23:09 |
| vZS1 | At least in the UK and USA | Nov 28 23:09 |
| vZS1 | Go look it up | Nov 28 23:09 |
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| vZS1 | I have paid an artist for work multiple times | Nov 28 23:10 |
| vZS1 | Each time they maintained copyright over their artwork | Nov 28 23:10 |
| vZS1 | That was part of the contract agreement | Nov 28 23:11 |
| vZS1 | I merely commissioned the artwork and gained permission to use it | Nov 28 23:11 |
| vZS1 | GPL software is also protected IP | Nov 28 23:12 |
| vZS1 | Wrt terms of the license | Nov 28 23:13 |
| vZS1 | So is BSD | Nov 28 23:13 |
| vZS1 | So is proprietary | Nov 28 23:13 |
| search_social | sure if you and an artist negotiate as individuals the contract is likely to be reasonable | Nov 28 23:13 |
| search_social | when one party is huge and has armies of dedicated lawyers and the other party is just a normal citizen this is not the case | Nov 28 23:13 |
| vZS1 | There are people that license their art to Disney and such and maintain copyright over their work. IANAL but if people know their trade well they can defend their IP even against large corporations | Nov 28 23:15 |
| vZS1 | That's a part of knowing any trade | Nov 28 23:15 |
| search_social | i doubt it, frankly | Nov 28 23:15 |
| vZS1 | Refer to the actual laws instead of listening to strangers on the internet | Nov 28 23:18 |
| vZS1 | The big issue is lack of education about IP laws. But that doesn't mean they don't exist _for everyone_ | Nov 28 23:18 |
| search_social | well if i had a few lifetimes to spare i could gamble a few on trust in the integrity of the legal system | Nov 28 23:20 |
| search_social | but i only have one lifetime and frankly every store i've ever heard about it has been terrible | Nov 28 23:20 |
| schestowitz | vZS1: I notice you lowercase "Internet" | Nov 28 23:29 |
| schestowitz | any reason? | Nov 28 23:30 |
| vZS1 | schestowitz: nothing in particular | Nov 28 23:30 |
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| schestowitz | vZS1: almost done now | Nov 28 23:35 |
| schestowitz | you want to see the draft first? | Nov 28 23:35 |
| schestowitz | it'll be in today's bulletin | Nov 28 23:35 |
| MinceR | https://hugelol.com/lol/706004 | Nov 28 23:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | “Your honks will not helicopterize me” | Nov 28 23:47 | |
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| vZS1 | I'm heading to bed | Nov 28 23:55 |
| schestowitz | ok | Nov 28 23:55 |
| vZS1 | Got s busy day tomorrow | Nov 28 23:55 |
| vZS1 | Gn | Nov 28 23:55 |
| schestowitz | draft ready anyhow | Nov 28 23:55 |
| schestowitz | gn | Nov 28 23:55 |
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