●● IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: Saturday, November 28, 2020 ●● ● Nov 28 [00:00] smnthermes > [11:38:40] MinceR: not only that, but bullying people with the same trademark policy bullshit mozilla used to make failfox nonfree [00:00] smnthermes According to the GNU Project, it isn't non-free: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html [00:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org | What is free software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [00:00] smnthermes "Rules about how to package a modified version are acceptable, if they don't substantively limit your freedom to release modified versions, or your freedom to make and use modified versions privately. Thus, it is acceptable for the license to require that you change the name of the modified version, remove a logo, or identify your modifications as yours. As long as these requirements are not so burd [00:00] smnthermes ensome that they effectively hamper you from releasing your changes, they are acceptable; you're already making other changes to the program, so you won't have trouble making a few more." [00:00] DaemonFC[m] At that point, the explanation was "Hey, we just want to give you some free basic protection because it would be impossible to clean your system out if you ever want to upgrade to the paid version and viruses have already gotten in.". [00:01] DaemonFC[m] But then, over the next years, they started coming with toolbars and drive-by downloads, and spying on the user. [00:01] DaemonFC[m] Temptation to turn a profit off their "free" userbase was obviously too much because even making a few cents per user with billions of users.... [00:01] MinceR smnthermes: according to the GNU Project, systemd is free [00:02] MinceR smnthermes: still, if they thought failfox was free, why did they make GNU IceCat? [00:02] DaemonFC[m] DRM, privacy issues, various blobs and unethical non-Free web services being pitched in Firefox. [00:03] DaemonFC[m] Honestly, Chromium is far less obnoxious out of the box at this point. [00:03] MinceR indeed [00:03] MinceR which is kind of sad [00:04] DaemonFC[m] Mozilla is not really investing in Firefox on Linux that much. [00:04] DaemonFC[m] It STILL doesn't have WebRender on by default in the majority of cases. [00:05] DaemonFC[m] It depends heavily on graphics card, driver, and screen resolutions. [00:05] DaemonFC[m] They prioritized the proprietary Nvidia driver. [00:05] DaemonFC[m] Vivaldi is building a fairly good browser, honestly. [00:06] DaemonFC[m] They don't really have any interest in feeding into Google's adtech nonsense. [00:06] MinceR vivaldi isn't even free [00:06] DaemonFC[m] But it's Chromium underneath, so sites should work okay. [00:06] DaemonFC[m] The majority of it is. [00:06] DaemonFC[m] That's about all you can say for Firefox these days. [00:07] MinceR yeah, the part which you can get and use without the proprietary crap :> [00:07] DaemonFC[m] Their GUI code is proprietary, but human readable. [00:07] DaemonFC[m] The Adblock code is Free. [00:07] DaemonFC[m] The Chromium stuff is Free. [00:07] DaemonFC[m] So it's like 99% Free and 1% proprietary (the UI). [00:08] DaemonFC[m] Yes, but as Chromium, it's got all kinds of Google hooks, which is certainly not "better" as far as your privacy goes. [00:08] DaemonFC[m] Vivaldi pries those out. They do have a sync server, but to fetch and decrypt your data, you need your Vivaldi Account password and then a decryption password. Just using your Vivaldi Account password isn't even allowed. [00:11] MinceR how do you trust nonfree software with your privacy? [00:14] DaemonFC[m] Well, for starters, they are at least covered by stronger privacy laws than the US has. [00:14] DaemonFC[m] At least most of the US. The CCPA is better than outside California. [00:15] DaemonFC[m] Whenever I'm on the VPN server in most European countries, I get "Sorry you aren't allowed to use this site because of the GDPR.". [00:17] DaemonFC[m] Facebook at least has to pay out $650 million to people in Illinois. [00:17] DaemonFC[m] Because they broke the BIPA law with biometric data. [00:17] DaemonFC[m] I put in a claim for myself and Mandy. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] So we should get almost $300 for that. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] They're leaning on the legislature to neuter the BIPA law. Not just them. [00:18] DaemonFC[m] Some employers got sued and lost because they required employees to submit fingerprint data to use a time clock. [00:22] MinceR GDPR covers google's stuff too, if it's used from the EU [00:23] *zoobab (zoobab@5.226.149.169) has joined #techrights [00:29] *chomwitt has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [00:31] *zoobab has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) [00:36] vZS1 The web is in a pretty bad state. Browsers are a big reason why. It went from being a nice way to view HTML to the lumbering piles of nonsense today. [00:37] vZS1 If I want to watch a video I'll use something like VLC [00:37] *zoobab (zoobab@5.226.149.169) has joined #techrights [00:37] vZS1 I don't care for using my web browser as a media application [00:38] vZS1 If I want to read a PDF, I'll use Okular [00:39] vZS1 This cargo cult of doing everything with browsers needs to hurry up and die [00:41] search_social don't worry node.js runs directly on your host hardware now so the browser is unnecessary [00:42] vZS1 Not on my hardware [00:42] *zoobab has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [00:46] search_social in fact i heard the browser is being phased out so it's more of a web portal to approved sites and has no capability to navigate to a URL anymore [00:54] *zoobab (zoobab@5.226.149.169) has joined #techrights ● Nov 28 [01:06] DaemonFC[m] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/america-failed-covid-economys-ok-why/617223/ [01:06] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | America Failed at COVID-19, but the Economy's Okay - The Atlantic [01:06] DaemonFC[m] 800,000 new unemployment claims every week. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] Eviction moratoriums and unemployment benefits that only last 30 more days the only thing propping up 20 million people. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] Couldn't be better! [01:07] DaemonFC[m] schestowitz: NPR reported on the radio that Disney fired another 4,000 people from their theme parks. [01:07] DaemonFC[m] They plan to let another 33,000 go. [01:08] DaemonFC[m] The plan to reopen was a disaster, even without governments like Florida saying they couldn't. [01:10] search_social what skill set do these people have [01:10] search_social they are probably easily exploitable [01:18] DaemonFC[m] Disney doesn't really pay well and they demand a lot, like roasting in the Florida sun dressed up in a costume every day, and not breaking character. [01:18] DaemonFC[m] And now dealing with sick people who just had to go to Disney World during a respiratory pandemic. [01:18] DaemonFC[m] Now these fuckers are in another scandal. [01:19] DaemonFC[m] One of the actors from The Mandalorian is an anti-masker who has been quite vocal about it. [01:19] DaemonFC[m] And some people are calling for a Disney+ boycott over that. [01:19] *mmu_man has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [01:27] search_social wow suddenly i love disney [01:42] oiaohm DaemonFC[m]: https://www.mdsassociates.com/mascot-character-suit-cooling-elements Turns out people playing Disney chars don't roast. Stupid as it sounds being in the hot Florida sun and in fact freezing is more likely. [01:42] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mdsassociates.com | Evaporative Cooling Apparel for Mascots & Costumes | MDS [01:43] oiaohm And its cost cutting if you cool your suits correctly people don't sweet a lot in them and they last longer. [01:43] oiaohm So disney cooling there suites is not for the wearer. [01:43] search_social sounds like dune stillsuit [01:46] oiaohm Some of the mascot gear gets down right close to dune stillsuit. [01:47] oiaohm right down to the description of not having the best smell. [01:48] oiaohm Big different is of course no water recycling in the mascot gear yet the dune stilsuit has that. [01:51] search_social perhaps the water recycling is a trade secret of disney [01:57] oiaohm No its not cost effective. [01:58] oiaohm If it was you could bet they would be doing it. [01:59] search_social well perhaps it's cost effective after you data mine it and sell advertising or union busting information ● Nov 28 [03:16] *mjg59 has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [03:16] *mjg59 (~mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk) has joined #techrights ● Nov 28 [04:32] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Bashtop on openSUSE | Terminal su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144842 [https://pleroma.site/objects/97fe75a3-ec98-4bb9-a629-75f60da8228c] [04:36] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Latest updates in #PCLinuxOS http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/141761#comment-27265 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8e6822f5-3f11-4ad4-980c-0f129cdbf2a8] [04:38] schestowitz [01:06] 800,000 new unemployment claims every week. [04:38] schestowitz source/link? ● Nov 28 [05:19] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: This week in KDE: Bugfixes and bug triaging su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144843 [https://pleroma.site/objects/d8038f6e-faca-4965-908c-3b779fef0062] [05:22] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144844 [https://pleroma.site/objects/25082da7-df16-4d42-8675-e31419b18d53] [05:48] *xvx has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [05:56] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Security Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144845 [https://pleroma.site/objects/37db235e-4b4c-44b9-8c99-5f9eb5b8bd31] [05:57] schestowitz [22:50] schestowitz: I bought a second hand HP laptop for my dad, yesterday. 95. Slapped Debian on it with KDE plasma. [05:57] schestowitz Yes, that's what I would do too, with KDE/Debian ● Nov 28 [06:05] DaemonFC[m] https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/527797-biden-adds-to-vote-margin-over-trump-after-milwaukee-county-recount [06:05] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Biden adds to vote margin over Trump after Milwaukee County recount | TheHill [06:06] *mmu_man (~revol@vaf26-2-82-244-111-82.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #techrights [06:06] schestowitz ha [06:35] *notanamber (~luca@2001:b07:a16:5bc0:bd01:a12:47e2:5907) has joined #techrights [06:41] *notanamber has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:45] schestowitz vZS1: https://blog.powerdns.com/2020/11/27/goodbye-dns-goodbye-powerdns/ [06:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.powerdns.com | Goodbye DNS, Goodbye PowerDNS! | PowerDNS Blog [06:56] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: May we live long and die out | http://vhemt.org/) ● Nov 28 [07:00] Tcl interface unloaded [07:00] Python interface unloaded [07:02] *Now talking on #techrights [07:02] *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell [07:02] *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 [07:11] schestowitz https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=sv&u=https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=7611674 [07:11] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google Translate ● Nov 28 [08:50] vZS1 Barely anyone bothers to run their own DNS server. It's largely because static IP addresses are so scarce. [08:51] vZS1 If static IP addresses were easy to acquire, you wouldn't see so much of the internet being hijacked by the big corporations [08:52] vZS1 That's why P2P technology is all based on content-addressing or identity-addressing, instead of location-addressing. [08:53] vZS1 That blog post is pretty accurate. Most will just run DNS via Google or Cloudflare [08:54] vZS1 DNS propagation is one of the biggest issues with that stack. It's basically game over because the entire system is rigged to favour a small set of companies. [08:54] vZS1 You can be 100% compliant with the specs but it doesn't mean shit ● Nov 28 [09:01] vZS1 Email and DNS are lost causes. We need something better to replace them. [09:02] vZS1 DNS already has alternatives that P2P networks use [09:02] vZS1 Email can also be easily replaced [09:05] vZS1 In fact, email is in decline anyway with all the messaging software people use [09:09] vZS1 The domain registrar bullshittery is another thing we need to push against [09:16] vZS1 Onion websites and IP(F/N)S is a step in the right direction [09:17] vZS1 Because both are built on top of networks that are decentralised [09:17] schestowitz and cert monopolies [09:18] schestowitz "if you build [alternative], people will come" [09:18] schestowitz or so one hopes [09:18] schestowitz until that alternative gets infiltrated, hijacked, derailed, demonised, banned [09:26] oiaohm Lot more people run their own dns servers inside their business vpns. This was one of the hells systemd run into with attempting to enforce dnssec [09:36] vZS1 It makes more sense for business as well [09:36] vZS1 These new distributed architectures are cheaper to run in-house [09:36] vZS1 So the outlook is good [09:36] vZS1 In, large [09:37] vZS1 s/,// [09:38] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: How can I Identify who SSH into my Linux System? su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144846 [https://pleroma.site/objects/263acdcd-cd8f-4b75-a61f-8f336dda381c] [09:40] oiaohm Email I have had to set up those for business hosted on site. How often finding out they are not getting email because they have been added to some black list for spamming or the like. [09:40] oiaohm that not getting email or recieving emial [09:40] oiaohm Of course the logs show they absolutely have done nothing wrong. [09:40] vZS1 The days of those large server farms are numbered [09:41] oiaohm Large server farms hosting stuff from multi countries I see could be numbed. With privacy regulations. [09:41] vZS1 They'll probably end up being repurposed as mainframes for heavy computation [09:42] oiaohm Like the fact EU and USA privacy regulations don't align. [09:42] oiaohm Neither do the Australia/USA and so on. [09:43] oiaohm Once the companies start getting prosecuted for breaching their own countries privacy laws for using overseas hosting then things in that area will change fairly quickly. [09:44] psydroid or maybe they'll just be written off, because it costs too much money to keep them running [09:45] psydroid I can see that happening especially with the older Intel-based servers [09:45] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:49] vZS1 SoC are getting better specs every year. You can build everything you need on a few of those [09:50] vZS1 Including intensive software hosting like chat/video suites [09:50] oiaohm Power efficiency is going to be a major thing with servers. AMD EPYC are well ahead of the Intel Xeons in power usage. [09:50] oiaohm SoC have their fair share of problems. [09:51] vZS1 And the main thing is SoC/SBC are affordable [09:51] oiaohm A server based around a ryzen 6 core can do a hell load. [09:51] oiaohm Still not that expensive. [09:52] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc12:3300:64d4:daa7:8b14:7753) has joined #techrights [09:52] vZS1 So it's not like before when you had to shell out a lot of money for your server racks [09:52] psydroid I mentioned this a few times before but I believe clown computing was devised as a way to decommoditise high-end computing by jacking up hardware prices so the only way for many smaller companies to be able to afford it anymore would be to rent computing capacity [09:53] oiaohm You can in fact get Am4 motherboards and coolers in 1U cases. [09:53] vZS1 That's a pretty plausible hypothesis [09:54] vZS1 Good thing that's failing [09:54] vZS1 Right now the main issue is the clown computing has a massive cargo cult [09:55] oiaohm https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32961937066.html I only have one major problem with Am4 in a 1U is either a cooler like this or a total fin cooler on AM4 results in having fan noise that likes going above 70 db. [09:55] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-New AM4 heatsink AMD4 1U cpu cooler for 1U server 28mm height|Fans & Cooling| - AliExpress [09:56] schestowitz [09:54] Right now the main issue is the clown computing has a massive cargo cult [09:56] schestowitz more of a marketing stunt [09:56] schestowitz led by army, their contractors etc. [09:56] schestowitz like GAFAM [09:56] schestowitz "give us all your services and servers... it's "smart"... helps us spy on the world" [09:56] schestowitz it's also "secure" because, hey, let Trump mine all your data inc. your passwords [09:57] psydroid I went to Google Cloud Summit last year and it looked like smaller server companies were retargetting their operations to the big clown companies more as a way of self a preservation than anything else, as they were afraid of becoming obsolete and being put out of business themselves [09:58] psydroid at least that's what I saw from the likes of Rackspace, Nutanix etc. [09:58] vZS1 There's still space for something like using on-demand servers. [09:59] vZS1 Via an interface like Terraform [09:59] vZS1 It has some great advantages [09:59] schestowitz there's subsidy for the data/computing hoard ● Nov 28 [10:00] vZS1 But being totally reliant on infrastructure you don't own is just opening the door to exploitation [10:00] schestowitz for imperialistic purposes [10:00] schestowitz they want to suck up all control, through data, access etc. [10:00] schestowitz inc. censoring sites they dislike [10:00] oiaohm psydroid: its not just that its horrible things like the fact we now have with dell that epyc cpus basically lock self to mothrboard. [10:01] vZS1 The thing is, most small business don't know how much hardware they need [10:01] oiaohm So you cannot just recycle the big vendors parts as cost savings as much any more either. [10:01] vZS1 People are very illiterate about hardware requirements [10:01] vZS1 In general [10:01] schestowitz software changes [10:01] vZS1 Because that knowledge isn't "cool" [10:01] schestowitz circumstances to [10:01] schestowitz *too [10:01] oiaohm Worse is illiterate on their countries privacy laws requirements. [10:01] schestowitz the cloud sells things like "elastic" [10:02] schestowitz the concept you won't overpay because you pay for what you use [10:02] schestowitz and then they overcharge [10:02] oiaohm so when they break those and get caught its by by small company. [10:02] vZS1 Yep [10:02] vZS1 Get something wrong and look at your bill [10:02] vZS1 Look at the network charges [10:02] vZS1 Ingress and egress [10:02] schestowitz sometimes like a person's salary [10:02] schestowitz per month [10:02] schestowitz for a dozen servers/instances which are hardly utilised [10:02] vZS1 Disk space charge [10:02] schestowitz maybe minutes per day, each [10:03] oiaohm For normally less processing per month than a desktop CPU can do with no issue. [10:03] schestowitz disk space is very cheap [10:03] schestowitz even is RAIDed [10:03] vZS1 Clown computing is only succeeding because a failure in hardware education has occurred [10:03] oiaohm Its not like you have to start with a thread ripper or epyc class processor. [10:03] schestowitz ibm did that with mainframes [10:03] schestowitz selling $500,000 machines [10:03] vZS1 Devs that can't do anything outside their sheltered IDE [10:04] schestowitz which, if you do maintenance, will be down completely for a while, all services [10:04] schestowitz no load-balancing [10:04] oiaohm Cloud computing most business using it are breaking their countries laws. [10:04] vZS1 Don't know how their shell even works [10:04] vZS1 Forget about the kernel or hardware [10:04] schestowitz and communicate over "SLAAACK" [10:04] vZS1 Yep [10:05] schestowitz with shtihub account [10:05] vZS1 HTTP is the only protocol that exists [10:05] schestowitz web-based [10:05] vZS1 Stuff like that [10:05] vZS1 Oh yes [10:05] schestowitz giving all their code to Microsoft/NSA [10:05] vZS1 How could I forget SH [10:05] kingoffrance lots of non-tech companies dont want in-house IT i think too; they will pay more just to have someone outside to call/blame. or so they think. [10:05] schestowitz kingoffrance: when it's down, then: [10:05] vZS1 kingoffrance: penny wise pound foolish [10:05] kingoffrance ^ [10:05] schestowitz "sorry, don't know when it comes back online" [10:05] kingoffrance interchangeable cogs basically i think many places see it as [10:06] kingoffrance programmers too [10:06] kingoffrance loss of knowledge of course if you do it that way [10:06] schestowitz "half a day maybe, Ima just gonna sit on ma hands and wait for Microsoft to do something..." [10:06] vZS1 "programmers" [10:06] kingoffrance engineer > developer > progremmer > coder :) (thats a joke) [10:06] vZS1 With their "frameworks" [10:06] schestowitz "sorry, didn't get your email, maybe we need to beg or threaten Microsoft some more, maybe that'll rush D-R" [10:06] kingoffrance different crowds all 4 of those are insult or compliment, just depends :) [10:07] kingoffrance IMO [10:07] schestowitz a lot of them think MSVS is now "open" [10:07] schestowitz and MAC is "UNIX" [10:07] schestowitz Github is "the openss!!!" [10:07] schestowitz so you end up with "Open Source coders" who do everything on Microsoft servers with a Mac and MSVS, with back doors and all [10:08] schestowitz that's how NSA would want it [10:08] oiaohm schestowitz: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ defends of your define of Unix with Mac it is a UNIX Certified product like it or not. [10:08] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opengroup.org | The Register of UNIX Certified Products [10:09] vZS1 Hacker culture being eroded [10:09] oiaohm The list of Unix certified products is getting really short. [10:09] vZS1 By all these propaganda outlets [10:10] vZS1 Doesn't help when the people leading some projects sell seats and give up what little control they had [10:13] vZS1 So you can't really blame people that get led astray by all the propaganda and marketing [10:21] vZS1 We've got people with a lot of knowledge here; if you've got something on your mind, do a write-up about it and send it to schestowitz. I'm sure more guest editorial team posts would be welcome. [10:21] vZS1 I've learned a lot just by hanging out in this chat [10:26] vZS1 Roy's good about keeping your privacy as well. [10:28] vZS1 And you won't see what you wrote get edited beyond recognition. [10:55] schestowitz no, that's considered a form of censorship [10:55] schestowitz the edits need to be consensual [10:55] schestowitz and it's tested when you publish even things you do not agree with, sometimes with swear words [10:57] vZS1 We need to push against the propaganda outlets. The only way to really achieve that is to cooperate and help each other out [10:58] schestowitz syndication [10:58] schestowitz we repost for some suppressed voices [10:58] schestowitz like Debian and Microsoft whistleblowers [10:58] schestowitz because no single site has the capacity to produce much on its own [10:58] schestowitz today I will publish 11 (at least; so far) internal EPO documents [10:59] schestowitz to be continued tomorrow as well [10:59] schestowitz if someone wants to help convert PDFs to text/html, let me know [10:59] schestowitz I'd rather not publish PDFs [10:59] schestowitz but it takes time and effort to convert their OCRd text ● Nov 28 [11:00] schestowitz so far this morning: [11:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/28/no-epo-survey/ [11:00] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/11/28/epo-talent-pool/ [11:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Management, Led by Antnio Campinos, Attempted to Stifle or Prevent Staff From Being Surveyed | Techrights [11:00] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The European Patent Offices Central Staff Committee: Office Cannot Recruit Fit-for-Purpose Patent Examiners Anymore | Techrights [11:00] schestowitz both converted from pdf to html [11:00] schestowitz 9 more to go... 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[15:38] cybrNaut i don't want to sign up for work w/out seeing the effort needed ● Nov 28 [16:03] XRevan86 https://cs10.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2020/11/24/7/1606216925194497994.jpg [16:04] XRevan86 Perm', introducing first in the world painted over marble. [16:09] MinceR such luxury [16:19] cybrNaut if they paint a marble pattern over that I might be okay with it [16:22] cybrNaut i guess it's not the painters fault. They hired the wrong kind of worker. shoulda hired someone with a sand blaster [16:23] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20080437 [16:23] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4802025) [16:28] *oiaohm_ is now known as oiaohm [16:33] oiaohm cybrNaut: No sand blaster makes the next time parties badly graffiti the wall the paint sticks better same with water blasting it off. [16:33] oiaohm The right paint you basically get a stripable layer if they paint on it again without damaging the wall surface. [16:43] oiaohm Most of the stuff I had die was games so not that important. [16:46] oiaohm Opps last line wrong channel. ● Nov 28 [17:05] cybrNaut i was wondering that.. if there is a clear coat that makes it easy to remove spray paint [17:05] cybrNaut i suppose car wax would work [17:10] schestowitz removing it from marble is easy [17:10] schestowitz because unlike some other material you can shave off the paint [17:11] schestowitz if not with polisher, than a harder and coarser disc [17:11] schestowitz *then [17:12] *chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc12:3300:64d4:daa7:8b14:7753) has joined #techrights [17:13] schestowitz what I don't get is, why wear a hazmat-like suit? [17:13] schestowitz the spray paint of the gas that sprays the paint? [17:13] schestowitz *or [17:14] schestowitz Maybe Novichok agent for the people at the top [17:19] MinceR :) [17:29] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Reorganization and migration of Mercurial repositories su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144852 [https://pleroma.site/objects/8a91ace8-e2ed-42a2-8998-7f52c60751f8] [17:38] MinceR https://xkcd.com/2243/ [17:38] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd: Star Wars Spoiler Generator [17:41] *xvx (~xvx@185.48.63.110) has joined #techrights [17:47] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Do You Know How To Secure The OpenSSH Server? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144851 [https://pleroma.site/objects/2aeafa3c-e896-47b0-b1fb-4e58fb0bc49c] [17:49] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: GNOME 40 App Grid Now Scrolls Horizontally su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144850 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fd73bdfd-685b-40c0-bb28-6d574cc064e7] [17:59] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: KDE Closing Out November With More Plasma Wayland Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144843#comment-27268 [https://pleroma.site/objects/087974fe-4825-4859-8d63-971a8905a1e0] ● Nov 28 [18:04] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Graphics: RenderDoc and Zink su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144854 [https://pleroma.site/objects/fd438052-b6ea-4b80-9eda-f1c5adc2c92e] [18:14] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144855 [https://pleroma.site/objects/44749dfa-f607-48e6-8c76-4462c56001b0] [18:17] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Why Arent Viruses a Problem on Chrome OS? su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144853 [https://pleroma.site/objects/cd0ea1b7-653a-4405-a1e9-bbc154793157] [18:26] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144856 [https://pleroma.site/objects/e81bdf14-c250-4f50-bb82-05f9d1591eac] [18:31] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Links 28/11/2020: RenderDoc 1.11, GNOME 40 Scrolling Horizontally http://techrights.org/2020/11/28/renderdoc-1-11/ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW [https://pleroma.site/objects/86687ac7-c09d-407c-9233-7abe7dc6d88f] [18:31] search_social schestowitz: do you use ebook-convert on the pdf or something else [18:31] schestowitz no [18:31] schestowitz manual [18:31] schestowitz there's OCR [18:31] schestowitz but needs editing [18:32] schestowitz for layout, remove newlines, style [18:42] *TTwrs (~TTwrs@c-67-169-185-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights [18:47] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/706141.jpg ● Nov 28 [19:04] *TTwrs has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:17] *aindilis (~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #techrights [19:26] *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [19:26] *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrights [19:47] schestowitz MinceR: and then what's for dessert? [19:48] MinceR maybe another cup of "crunchy vegetable salad" [19:48] MinceR or a bar of chocolate maybe [19:53] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 8 best casual Linux computer games su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144857 [https://pleroma.site/objects/40e07443-cee0-44f0-a435-ef86aed65541] ● Nov 28 [20:12] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Release notes for the Genode OS Framework 20.11 su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144858 [https://pleroma.site/objects/6d62bedc-50a1-4612-9bd8-aa23c3aff39f] [20:19] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Pioneer DDJ-RR DJ Controller To Be Supported By The Linux 5.11 Kernel su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144859 [https://pleroma.site/objects/c38cf81a-d36c-4da2-8827-8da8e6680c6f] [20:30] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: 5 Best Free and Open source NAS Software for Linux su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144860 [https://pleroma.site/objects/5366d66b-f883-4916-b7b4-c594cb782d6d] [20:33] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Best Photo Editors for Linux su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144861 [https://pleroma.site/objects/ef1b3791-ca8d-4dce-b259-db7541bf8e02] [20:35] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: Todays #HowTos | #UNIX su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144862 [https://pleroma.site/objects/67a8257a-a533-458b-a146-af7595db41bb] [20:39] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: IBM/Red Hat Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144863 [https://pleroma.site/objects/b64f9c30-8078-4f26-a5b7-8493a01b760b] [20:42] MinceR https://hugelolcdn.com/i/705778.jpg [20:56] schestowitz > FYI: [20:56] schestowitz > "FFII Calls for Donations Against Unitary Software [20:56] schestowitz > Patent Trolls After a Disastrous Bundestag Vote" [20:56] schestowitz > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=20/11/27/1654250 [20:56] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | FFII Calls for Donations Against Unitary Software Patent Trolls After a Disastrous Bundestag Vote - SoylentNews ● Nov 28 [21:04] MinceR (cat) https://ircz.de/p/20073155 [21:04] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ircz.de | IRCZ makes your life worth living Post object (4794908) [21:17] *obarun (~obarun@host-115-126-165-174.fibre.nautile.nc) has joined #techrights [21:18] *rianne__ has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [21:18] *rianne__ (~rianne@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:23] -viera/#techrights-Tux Machines: #Android Leftovers su xn http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/144864 [https://pleroma.site/objects/bd9c6ca6-1ba8-4476-8ea2-f2099e5c4ce9] [21:23] schestowitz zoobab: working on the complaint yet? [21:48] *inky (~inky@141.136.79.29) has joined #techrights [21:56] *schestowitz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:56] *schestowitz (~schestowi@host81-154-173-112.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #techrights [21:56] *schestowitz has quit (Changing host) [21:56] *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights ● Nov 28 [22:15] schestowitz https://fosstodon.org/@PublicNuisance/105188949379603445 [22:15] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | PublicNuisance: "@tuxmachines@mastodon.technology Can't say i'm " - Fosstodon [22:15] schestowitz "Can't say i'm shocked. It's hard enough to get them to use Linux on their computers, asking for them to also use FOSS software may be pushing it." [22:17] schestowitz https://pleroma.site/notice/A1ec3Fa9P7ZscIUK5A [22:17] schestowitz " [22:17] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qoto.org | Paul Sutton: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Cryptpad offer some re" - Qoto Mastodon [22:17] schestowitz Cryptpad offer some really nice services just how do we promote them to people when most have only ever heard of Google and Microsoft, we need to create demand for learning how to use them (even from existing users) so people put on courses, perhaps. [22:17] schestowitz We need to change the narrative and create demand for skills using freedom / privacy respecting tools [22:17] schestowitz " [22:18] search_social killer app [22:25] schestowitz killer app.. killall -9 [22:25] schestowitz Biden will soon have an "app" for authorising drone strikes. [22:25] schestowitz KillerApp(TM) [22:29] schestowitz vZS1: article on privacy and ed(1)? the larrer soon? I got some positive feedback [22:29] schestowitz *latter [22:29] schestowitz will soon solder and set up raspi [22:30] schestowitz it's barebones now, I have lots of stuff to add to it [22:30] schestowitz there will be the first downtime for it once I get a soldering gun o finish building it [22:31] schestowitz maybe one day a backup raspi... can't believe how cheap it is and quick to power up, set up... took under an hour with low learning curve [22:31] search_social https://0x0.st/iRxa.png [22:31] search_social lot of potential internet users out there [22:31] schestowitz yes, we need INTERNET users [22:31] schestowitz not Web users [22:32] schestowitz use the protocol for switches, not for browsers [22:33] search_social just need a killer app [22:34] vZS1 IPFS is a killer app (: [22:35] search_social that's just file storage [22:35] search_social the distinguishing feature needs to be something fundamentally different about the way the user experiences it [22:36] search_social not some internal techno gizmo [22:36] schestowitz Bandwidth [22:36] schestowitz TotalIn: 34 GB [22:36] vZS1 Then you don't understand why IPFS is revolutionary [22:36] schestowitz TotalOut: 14 GB [22:36] schestowitz I implemented a chatset code fix last night [22:36] schestowitz *charset [22:36] schestowitz so we still don't have it in 100% stable [22:37] schestowitz a couple of days in a row, in the archive, we have bulletins with 8 invalid chars in them [22:37] schestowitz some editors cope OK [22:37] schestowitz kate does not, it falls back onto another chatset, so it's good I tested and caught that only days later [22:38] schestowitz something about the handling of   when converted to plain text [22:38] schestowitz [22:35] the distinguishing feature needs to be something fundamentally different about the way the user experiences it [22:38] schestowitz It can be made more accessible, case of point: [22:38] vZS1 Use the desktop client [22:39] schestowitz http://techrights.org/category/irc-logs/ We have scripts set up to share all of techrights stuff every 24 hours [22:39] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Logs | Techrights [22:39] schestowitz so you can get the site without a Web browser [22:39] schestowitz even the irc logs have txt only mode, and over ipfs if you want to avoid http as well as www [22:39] schestowitz so no browser, no html renderer [22:39] schestowitz and you can still read everything in the site [22:40] schestowitz even when the site is 'down; [22:40] vZS1 schestowitz: Nothing new from me for a while. Will be occupied with something else for about a month [22:40] schestowitz it'll come from a peer host [22:40] schestowitz vZS1: I think we have it going OK for years to come like this, unless the raspi machine dies or something. I make backups of it every now and then. [22:40] schestowitz to peer machine and offline drive [22:41] vZS1 Yeah. The Pi will last you a good few years [22:41] schestowitz but I am guessing you installed things outside userspace [22:41] schestowitz like that git stuff for bash/bin [22:41] vZS1 Well, that's all stuff available on any base Debian install [22:42] schestowitz i have a question [22:42] vZS1 The IPFS binary is the only thing you really need that's not base [22:42] schestowitz would it be ok to derive from the text primer an article about ipfs? [22:42] schestowitz I want more readers of ours to become peers [22:42] vZS1 The Go binaries were just in case I needed them [22:42] schestowitz many have raspi at hand [22:43] vZS1 Sure, go ahead [22:43] schestowitz ta [22:43] schestowitz I am desperate to get off the Web [22:43] search_social debian not devuan? [22:43] vZS1 You can ping me to take a look at the draft [22:43] schestowitz too much abuse like censorship [22:43] schestowitz set aside bloat and privacy issues [22:43] vZS1 IPFS uses encryption by default [22:44] vZS1 No cert authority [22:44] vZS1 Everyone generates their own [22:44] schestowitz ok, good [22:44] schestowitz so no opportunity for centralisation [22:44] vZS1 Nope [22:44] schestowitz FB, shithub, google [22:44] schestowitz I hear back from people who leave github [22:44] schestowitz we give them reasons to [22:45] vZS1 There's a lot of technology under the surface [22:45] schestowitz [22:21] [Notice] -viera to #boycottnovell-social- Dr. Roy Schestowitz (): "Already moved some of my repos to #gitlab." https://pleroma.site/notice/A1cIzXut0a8QsOms5o #microsoft #monoppoly #proprietarySoftware #deletegithub [https://pleroma.site/objects/d886eedd-ecaf-4aa0-ba1e-736127697d8d] [22:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-adnan360: "@schestowitz@pleroma.site Already moved some of m" - mas.to [22:45] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.site [22:45] schestowitz Less than an hour ago [22:45] vZS1 I kept it simple for you so you could just go ahead and use it [22:45] schestowitz I now have time to advocate it a bit [22:45] schestowitz to get the so-called 'buzz' where I can [22:45] schestowitz so-called 'viral' [22:45] schestowitz the social control media terms.. [22:46] vZS1 Yeah. It's pretty thrilling to get in the swarm [22:46] schestowitz few people know about it [22:46] schestowitz and some associate it with bad things [22:46] schestowitz like "file sharing" [22:46] schestowitz the term which became synonymous with "PIRACY" [22:46] vZS1 It's the wild West [22:46] vZS1 Anything goes [22:46] schestowitz I mean, why would I "SHARE A FILE?" [22:46] vZS1 That's the thing [22:46] schestowitz to anyone, anything... Sharing is a crime [22:47] schestowitz Why would I encrypt? [22:47] vZS1 Sharing a file is just so alien to people [22:47] schestowitz Look what happened in Vienna [22:47] schestowitz first people encrypt [22:47] vZS1 Without using some third party software [22:47] schestowitz next thing you know dumb, demented Islamic terrorists shoot people with a PGP rifle [22:48] vZS1 Declare a fatwa with their elliptic curves [22:48] schestowitz the WHATWA? [22:49] schestowitz "Help Make Techrights (and Other Technology Sites) More Robust to Censorship by Setting Up More IPFS Nodes" [22:50] schestowitz I will follow with some guidelines from homedir [22:50] schestowitz maybe one day around xmas i will even write a client for it [22:50] schestowitz assumign there are good libs wit good apis [22:50] schestowitz not "apps" [22:51] schestowitz maybe some tools made specifically for fetching techrights stuff from the cli [22:51] schestowitz $ read-techrights -i | -b (irc/bulletin) Date [22:52] schestowitz and then it checks your system / env text editor, opens it in that [22:52] schestowitz fetches the ipfs chain along with that script [22:52] schestowitz no http, no www [22:52] schestowitz but that would be a big project, maybe tonight I will research improving the text layout a bit or text compatibility with more text editors [22:54] search_social good point sharing a file is verboten [22:54] search_social we need some kind of rebranding [22:54] schestowitz sharing is a good word [22:54] schestowitz file is innocuous [22:55] schestowitz when the words are combined people can associate it with p2p='piracy' [22:55] *ChanServ has quit (*.net *.split) [22:55] schestowitz Techrights IPFS node here now exceeds 50GB 3 weeks down the line. Now bad considering how young it is. Full site accesss, no single pointof failure, no HTTP, no WWW, no HTML [22:55] search_social what's something that people unambiguously own [22:55] schestowitz *not bad [22:55] schestowitz ownership of digital things is weird [22:55] schestowitz I'd avoid the word [22:56] schestowitz like "intellectual property" [22:56] search_social maybe a blog [22:56] schestowitz like "intellectual assets" [22:56] schestowitz or "ownership rights" [22:56] search_social i'll call it blogging then [22:56] schestowitz those are things you can copy a million times [22:56] schestowitz houses are owned [22:56] schestowitz because you cannot replicate them [22:56] schestowitz data is not the same [22:56] search_social you just so happen to be blogging a large collection of movies [22:56] search_social yeah that sounds harmless enough [22:56] schestowitz you can "own" air better than you can "own" bits on a medium [22:57] search_social i have a feeling these arguments would get you life in federal prison [22:57] search_social or in aaron's case just death [22:57] vZS1 I disagree. If you wrote a song or a book you should have ownership over the intellectual property [22:57] schestowitz I'd avoid those terms [22:57] schestowitz copyright-assigned [22:57] schestowitz a right to have a copy [22:57] schestowitz sounds better [22:57] search_social copyright isn't about a right to copy tho [22:58] search_social it's about depriving others of the right to copy [22:58] vZS1 That's not a right to have a copy [22:58] schestowitz if you lack the right to make a copy, like gpl software modified and distributed, then there are legal instruments at hand [22:58] vZS1 Very incorrect words [22:58] schestowitz copyright is a limitation [22:58] schestowitz almost every law is a limitation [22:58] schestowitz more laws = fewers things you can do [22:58] schestowitz laws do not enable things [22:59] schestowitz some permit you to do things you'd otherwise not be sure you could do [22:59] schestowitz or authorise something like theft of public funds [22:59] schestowitz laws that grant public money, tax breaks etc. ● Nov 28 [23:00] vZS1 I hold copyright over various things. If someone infringes that copyright I'm taking them to court [23:00] vZS1 That's why people license things [23:00] search_social yeah blogging sounds safer [23:00] vZS1 Those licenses can be a wide array [23:01] search_social so some kind of app that helps people blog about their movie collections [23:01] *ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined #techrights [23:01] *verne.freenode.net gives channel operator status to ChanServ [23:04] vZS1 There's a big difference between copyright and DRM [23:05] vZS1 DRM treats customers like criminals [23:05] vZS1 Whereas copyright protects someone's IP [23:08] search_social copyright arguably protects publishers not artists [23:09] vZS1 Artwork also falls under copyright law [23:09] vZS1 At least in the UK and USA [23:09] vZS1 Go look it up [23:10] *zoobab has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [23:10] vZS1 I have paid an artist for work multiple times [23:10] vZS1 Each time they maintained copyright over their artwork [23:11] vZS1 That was part of the contract agreement [23:11] vZS1 I merely commissioned the artwork and gained permission to use it [23:12] vZS1 GPL software is also protected IP [23:13] vZS1 Wrt terms of the license [23:13] vZS1 So is BSD [23:13] vZS1 So is proprietary [23:13] search_social sure if you and an artist negotiate as individuals the contract is likely to be reasonable [23:13] search_social when one party is huge and has armies of dedicated lawyers and the other party is just a normal citizen this is not the case [23:15] vZS1 There are people that license their art to Disney and such and maintain copyright over their work. IANAL but if people know their trade well they can defend their IP even against large corporations [23:15] vZS1 That's a part of knowing any trade [23:15] search_social i doubt it, frankly [23:18] vZS1 Refer to the actual laws instead of listening to strangers on the internet [23:18] vZS1 The big issue is lack of education about IP laws. But that doesn't mean they don't exist _for everyone_ [23:20] search_social well if i had a few lifetimes to spare i could gamble a few on trust in the integrity of the legal system [23:20] search_social but i only have one lifetime and frankly every store i've ever heard about it has been terrible [23:29] schestowitz vZS1: I notice you lowercase "Internet" [23:30] schestowitz any reason? [23:30] vZS1 schestowitz: nothing in particular [23:33] *zoobab (zoobab@5.226.149.169) has joined #techrights [23:35] schestowitz vZS1: almost done now [23:35] schestowitz you want to see the draft first? [23:35] schestowitz it'll be in today's bulletin [23:47] MinceR https://hugelol.com/lol/706004 [23:47] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hugelol.com | Your honks will not helicopterize me [23:52] *zoobab has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [23:55] vZS1 I'm heading to bed [23:55] schestowitz ok [23:55] vZS1 Got s busy day tomorrow [23:55] vZS1 Gn [23:55] schestowitz draft ready anyhow [23:55] schestowitz gn [23:58] *zoobab (zoobab@5.226.149.169) has joined #techrights