●● IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, March 29, 2022 ●● ● Mar 29 [00:19] DaemonFC I don't have any Horse Pepsi, but I have a Horse Coke. [00:19] MinceR Horse Choke? [00:20] DaemonFC For some reason, when people see it, they say NAAAAAAAAY!!! [00:21] MinceR :> [00:22] *matey has quit (connection closed) [00:57] DaemonFC Microsoft 365 ads on Tubi. LOL [00:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 29.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 313.36 ● Mar 29 [01:17] *activelow has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:17] *Skywave has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [01:18] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@mc34kkn3mxeeu.irc) has joined #techrights [01:19] *activelow (~activelow@hrazuzhsbr4rk.irc) has joined #techrights [01:21] DaemonFC I've switched mainly to instant coffee recently. [01:22] DaemonFC Most of the regular coffee is up about 40% and they didn't do that to instant yet, and there were good rebates too lately, so looks like that's what I'll have for a while. [01:22] activelow be careful with it, instant coffee overdosed on an empty stomach... this is what i had this morning [01:25] activelow rediscovered a traditional german cuisine, which is cooked white cabbage, then mildly roasted grinded meat mixed into, spiced with cumarin and salt, with lots of margarine [01:25] activelow kept german farmers alive for hundreds of years, easy on the stomach, nutritios, and best of it only natural flavors [01:26] activelow white cabbage contains some mustord oils, which together with cumarin adds a delicate taste to it [01:27] activelow and, it is cheap, a pot with a half head of cabbage, 800grams of grinded meat, and margarine, for ~5Euros, and lasts three days, together with bread [01:28] MinceR they had margarine for hundreds of years? [01:29] activelow yes, Napoleon Bonaparte introduced margarine; and traditional pig breeds contained more fat than today [01:29] activelow i prefer margarine, easier on stomach, and contains some vitamin-d [01:31] MinceR that was 153 years ago, i wasn't sure if that's "hundreds" :> [01:32] activelow sure, my grandparents used pork bacon instead [01:33] activelow another delicate farmers meal, green cabbage (wirsing) with pork; although this takes too long to prepare [01:34] activelow after eating grinded meat with paprika cream for month, gladly i rediscovered "Schichtkohl" [01:36] *oarion7 (~anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [01:36] *oarion7 has quit (Client Quit) [01:42] *oarion7 (anonymous@user/oarion7) has joined #techrights [01:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.30 k/sec., IPFS upstream 14.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 317.03 ● Mar 29 [02:00] DaemonFC Farmers ate some pretty heavy stuff back in the day. [02:01] DaemonFC I hear that rice is very expensive in Japan because of protectionist laws. [02:01] DaemonFC Perhaps 40% higher than it would otherwise cost. [02:02] DaemonFC Anyway, they eat a ton of it and most of them live to old age. [02:02] DaemonFC The doctors here all tell us don't eat rice. [02:03] activelow most of my grandparents reached 90years+; although eating what doctors typically advice not to [02:03] activelow yet, i am smoking cigarettes, they didn't [02:04] activelow the east-german cuisine was better quality anyway, in comparison to the western one [02:05] activelow oranges, bananas and other tropical fruit weren't available, nonetheless there was many varieties available [02:06] AdmFubar don't eat domestic rice [02:07] activelow the strawberries from the garden were the best, smaller in size, harvested when ripe and sweet, and a different variety than what is sold in supermarkets [02:09] activelow and a special type of berry, similar to wine, which i think was the berry wine derived from by selective breeding; grown in every garden [02:15] AdmFubar ??? [02:16] activelow sorry, mind slipped into the past [02:17] AdmFubar I'm wondering what is a berry that is similar to wine... [02:17] activelow Stachelbeere [02:18] AdmFubar sure they are "insolvent" now.. yeah yeah that's the ticket https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-28/spyware-vendor-finfisher-claims-insolvency-amid-investigation [02:18] TR Bot - Are you a robot? [02:18] AdmFubar :P gooseberries... [02:26] AdmFubar bloomberg site sounds like Shpongle lyrics... [02:31] activelow FinFisher renamed to Vilicious Holding GmbH recently; it's probably a shell company of the government anyway, for accounting purposes, camouflaging as a private business entity to source staff [02:32] activelow don't think ministry of the interior would directly appear as business entity on "labor market" and similar [02:38] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [02:39] TR News Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. 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[03:39] activelow mistake, it isn't cumarin, it is caraway added to white cabbage [03:41] AdmFubar oh... just where will this go..... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-security-feature-blocks-vulnerable-drivers/ [03:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/new-windows-security-feature-blocks-vulnerable-drivers/ [03:41] TR Bot New Windows security feature blocks vulnerable drivers [03:42] AdmFubar cumarin? perhaps you mean cumin? [03:43] MinceR furanocoumarin [03:46] AdmFubar I need to stay away from that stuff.... [03:47] MinceR :> [03:54] activelow Kmmel [03:56] activelow problem with Kraut (cabbage) is digestion if Kmmel isn't added [03:56] activelow caraway combined with mustard (sharp and sour radish oils) is delicate [03:57] activelow always wondered, when Mc Donalds arrived in East-Germany they, the Muricans, don't know how to prepare meat with spices [03:59] activelow they're only adding sweetened sauce to it; and the price; for 5Euros i can prepare a pot of cabbage and grinded meat which lasts three days [03:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.73 average k/sec., average swarm size 345.65 ● Mar 29 [04:12] *oarion7 has quit (Quit: Running IRC on a charmed medieval abacus.) [04:25] *Skywave has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [04:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.15 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 311.18 ● Mar 29 [05:50] TR News #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, March 28, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext [05:50] TR Bot Bulletin Archives [05:50] TR News #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing [05:50] TR Bot Techrights Full IPFS Index [05:55] TR News puppylinux.com is down (PuppyLinux outsourced to Microsoft, Microsoft suspends site of GNU/Linux distro) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163093 [05:55] TR Bot puppylinux.com is down (PuppyLinux outsourced to Microsoft, Microsoft suspends site of GNU/Linux distro) | Tux Machines [05:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.23 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 313.60 ● Mar 29 [06:09] TR News LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Free Software in the French Public Administration | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/free-software-france/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/free-software-france/ [06:09] TR Bot LibrePlanet 2022 Talk on Free Software in the French Public Administration | Techrights [06:10] *DaemonFC has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:15] AdmFubar http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=313215 [06:15] TR Bot GitHub explains reasons behind the past week's outages The Register [06:15] TR News "Between 2022-03-22 and 2022-03-29 there were 20 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 217 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.2 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-native-linux-clients-2022-03-29/ [06:15] TR Bot New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-03-29 Edition - Boiling Steam [06:17] TR News Gulag kills what it buys, including RSS https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/29/feedburner-dying/ [06:17] TR Bot Feedburner Seems to be Dying etbe - Russell Coker [06:19] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: blame "open source" [06:19] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: microsoft: github is proprietarey [06:19] schestowitz-TR it's down [06:19] schestowitz-TR it's nto github's fault [06:19] schestowitz-TR blame some open source something [06:19] schestowitz-TR the criminals from Microsoft show their true selves [06:21] AdmFubar roy... chill out and have a laugh at their expense ;) [06:21] TR News This past 1-2 weeks lots of sites which had foolishly outsourced to clownflare lost all their visitors. Esp. those who used RSS feeds. RSS readers don't do JavaScript. [06:22] schestowitz-TR AdmFubar: [05:55] puppylinux.com is down (PuppyLinux outsourced to Microsoft, Microsoft suspends site of GNU/Linux distro) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163093 [06:22] schestowitz-TR we need to stop the outsourcing [06:22] schestowitz-TR it's an attack not just on software freedom [06:23] TR News Site "linuxsecurity" continues linking to Linux FUD https://linuxsecurity.com/news/security-trends/some-developers-are-fouling-up-open-source-software Microsoft shipping malware is not an "open source" issue; the media spins it a lot [06:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxsecurity.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxsecurity.com/news/security-trends/some-developers-are-fouling-up-open-source-software [06:23] TR Bot developers are fouling up open-source software | LinuxSecurity... [06:24] TR News xkcd: Spacecraft Debris Odds Ratio https://xkcd.com/2599/ Source: xkcd [06:24] TR Bot Spacecraft Debris Odds Ratio [06:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2599/ [06:24] TR News This talk is titled From GNU Emacs to code.gouv.fr, and was presented at LibrePlanet 2022 by Bastien Guerry. Bastien is the free software officer for the French public administration" http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/free-software-france/ [06:26] AdmFubar excuses excuses https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of-inflation [06:26] TR Bot reportedly slashing iPhone production on weak demand - Protocol [06:26] schestowitz-TR no no [06:26] schestowitz-TR wait, it's true [06:27] schestowitz-TR but not in the way they put it [06:27] schestowitz-TR there's inflation [06:27] schestowitz-TR based on lies partly [06:27] schestowitz-TR so people spend less [06:27] schestowitz-TR they cannot spend more [06:27] schestowitz-TR and they go, [06:27] schestowitz-TR "hang on a second" [06:27] schestowitz-TR "why do we spent so much money on this Apple junk?" [06:27] schestowitz-TR "we could get cheaper equipment [06:27] AdmFubar remember this? https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/apple-retention-grants [06:27] TR Bot is doling out $200,000 'retention grants' to keep people from leaving - Protocol [06:27] schestowitz-TR so apple sales are down [06:28] schestowitz-TR apple: it's inflation's fault [06:28] schestowitz-TR yes, true [06:28] schestowitz-TR maybe lower your pricing threefold [06:28] AdmFubar hard to biuld em when you don't have staff [06:28] schestowitz-TR yes, I saw the retention grants [06:28] schestowitz-TR 2 days agi [06:29] schestowitz-TR that's not good for workers [06:29] schestowitz-TR less work/employer mobility means they fix the salaries lower [06:30] TR News In this weakening/collapsing economy it is hardly surprising that demand for Apple's junk has plunged. Last year they stunned shareholders. Bubble of a company... [06:32] TR News Who sponsors Phoronix? Not the reader. New photo: https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=too_much_nvme_lrg [06:32] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2022&image=too_much_nvme_lrg [06:32] TR Bot Image (Too Much Nvme) [06:32] schestowitz-TR psydruid: ^^^^ [06:33] schestowitz-TR how much on ebay? [06:34] TR News I should actually be glad that many sites suffered this past week for outsourcing to Microsoft GitHub and Clownflare, but I cannot reach them. Some of them are sites I like. Maybe lessons learned? [06:35] TR News "The Mars helicopter continues to excel, Linux arrives on M1 Macs, Canonicals hiring methods cause a stink, Graham eats his words about MDM, KDE korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-170/ [06:35] TR Bot Late Night Linux Episode 170 Late Night Linux [06:36] psydruid a few thousand, this isn't comparable to AMD's EPYC line of CPUs [06:36] schestowitz-TR ok, thanks [06:37] schestowitz-TR not so many amphere articles in phoronix [06:38] schestowitz-TR they need to shell out more [06:38] schestowitz-TR to compete with IntelMD [06:38] schestowitz-TR Gold-plated CPUs [06:38] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@gbgr2jcp6yrt2.irc) has joined #techrights [06:40] psydruid Ampere recently incurred a loss as reported in Oracle's filing [06:40] TR News Firmus Superclown sets a new standard for sustainable clown computing with Canonicals open infrastructure | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/firmus-supercloud-sets-a-new-standard-for-sustainable-cloud-computing-with-canonicals-open-infrastructure Source: ubuntu [06:40] Alternative link Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/firmus-supercloud-sets-a-new-standard-for-sustainable-cloud-computing-with-canonicals-open-infrastructure [06:40] TR Bot Supercloud sets a new standard for sustainable cloud computing with Canonicals open infrastructure | Ubuntu [06:40] psydruid Oracle owns a significant share in Ampere [06:40] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: brb) [06:40] schestowitz-TR psydruid: seems most US companies operate at a loss [06:40] schestowitz-TR there are some categories [06:40] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@gbgr2jcp6yrt2.irc) has joined #techrights [06:41] schestowitz-TR companies that admit they lose [06:41] schestowitz-TR companies they pretend they don't lose [06:41] psydruid Ampere is working on its next generation of processors [06:41] schestowitz-TR companies that say the losses are temporary ("KEEP INVESTING!!") [06:41] psydruid yes [06:41] schestowitz-TR companies that SOMETIMES do not lose (easy to fake this) [06:41] schestowitz-TR companies that make a profit [06:41] psydruid https://www.extremetech.com/computing/333137-rumor-amds-zen-4-flagship-to-offer-32-threads-170w-tdp [06:41] TR Bot AMD's Zen 4 Flagship to Offer 32 Threads, 170W TDP - ExtremeTech [06:41] schestowitz-TR that last one is few well known brands [06:42] schestowitz-TR psydruid: it's like running a low-end vacuum cleaneer [06:42] psydruid but you read things like this and start wondering if that is where computing should be headed [06:42] schestowitz-TR 24/7 [06:42] psydruid the answer is obviously no [06:43] schestowitz-TR many cores will be idle most of the time [06:43] TR News [GIT PULL] erofs updates for 5.18-rc1 - Gao Xiang https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YjgtIqJK0Io+zYeI@debian/ Source: Debian | GNU | Linux | FreeSW [06:43] TR Bot [GIT PULL] erofs updates for 5.18-rc1 - Gao Xiang [06:44] psydruid my take on it is that if it isn't doing work, it should be powered off [06:44] psydruid especially with such high power consumption [06:44] TR News 10 Websites to Find Creative Commons Videos - Make Tech Easier https://www.maketecheasier.com/5-websites-find-creative-commons-videos/ Source: maketecheasier [06:44] TR Bot 10 Websites to Find Creative Commons Videos - Make Tech Easier [06:45] schestowitz-TR psydruid: 32 threads [06:45] schestowitz-TR imagine leaving the vacuum cleaner on all the time [06:45] schestowitz-TR because you might need it later for a couple mins [06:45] schestowitz-TR like, to compile a kernel [06:45] psydruid yeah [06:45] schestowitz-TR some people like linus buy these or get sent this [06:46] schestowitz-TR how many times a day does he even compile his program? [06:46] schestowitz-TR maybe 1-5 times? [06:46] schestowitz-TR when doing gtk development I'd compile in the background while still writing more code [06:46] schestowitz-TR so there's overlap [06:46] schestowitz-TR my new laptop has only 2 cores [06:47] psydruid at some point the returns are diminishing [06:47] schestowitz-TR the screens (9 of them) are dimming down when not used [06:47] schestowitz-TR or not accessed [06:47] psydruid and you start wondering if you aren't solving the wrong problem [06:47] psydruid or the problem in the wrong way [06:48] schestowitz-TR so it's maybe 100w territories on average [06:48] psydruid referring to the work done by activelow [06:48] schestowitz-TR psydruid: maybe they don't solve a problem [06:48] schestowitz-TR but create a problem [06:48] schestowitz-TR imagine this CPU having defects or issues after warranty expires [06:49] schestowitz-TR what next? [06:49] schestowitz-TR CPU insurance? [06:49] schestowitz-TR Currys/PCWorld: would you like 5-year insurance for this CPU? [06:49] psydruid it's a great way to upsell services [06:49] schestowitz-TR It's only $500 for 5 years! It's a bargain [06:49] schestowitz-TR you could buy 3 laptops for that fee [06:49] psydruid but I think it will backfire in a huge way they aren't even expecting [06:50] schestowitz https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Linux-Too-Many-NVMe [06:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Linux-Too-Many-NVMe [06:50] TR Bot Has A Problem With Linux Server Reboots Too Slow Due To Too Many NVMe Drives - Phoronix [06:50] psydruid I'd rather have cheap CPUs I can replace when broken [06:50] schestowitz context ^ [06:50] schestowitz my failing NVMe "disk" is why I needed to buy another machine [06:50] psydruid hence I've never spent that much on one [06:50] schestowitz it's not a totally dead NVMe but failing [06:50] schestowitz data is not safe on it anymore [06:51] psydruid I've never had that happen to me [06:51] schestowitz Available Spare: 100% [06:51] schestowitz Available Spare Threshold: 5% [06:51] schestowitz Percentage Used: 113% [06:51] schestowitz 113% basically says "Expired" [06:51] schestowitz "Roy, you've used this disk too much" [06:51] schestowitz "time to buy a new one" [06:51] psydruid why does it have so many writes? [06:52] schestowitz Data Units Read: 82,613,708 [42.2 TB] [06:52] schestowitz Data Units Written: 169,462,269 [86.7 TB] [06:52] schestowitz Host Read Commands: 2,039,769,994 [06:52] schestowitz Host Write Commands: 1,736,870,461 [06:52] schestowitz maybe all the video encoding [06:52] psydruid a case can be made for using hard drives for those [06:53] schestowitz yeah [06:53] schestowitz but it is a lot slower [06:53] schestowitz I installed webcamoid on machine with magnetic disk [06:53] schestowitz but I'm sure it's too weak to process 3-hour videos in two passes [06:54] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [06:54] schestowitz then there's ipfs on microsd [06:54] schestowitz that too isn't too healthy [06:54] schestowitz it does a ton of work [06:54] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@aznruqq9uvrec.irc) has joined #techrights [06:54] psydruid there are enterprise SSDs, but those are much more expensive [06:55] schestowitz Apple is killing its own product line https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/28/cider-is-an-alternative-apple-music-desktop-client-with-features-missing-in-itunes/ [06:55] TR Bot is an alternative Apple Music client for Windows and Linux - 9to5Mac [06:55] schestowitz maybe they reckon there's more money in DRM/streaming [06:56] psydruid Apple has wanted to go more into services [06:56] psydruid but they need a crappy OS for that, just like Microsoft [06:57] TR News "A decent paying job I could do until I reach my golden years. But then something happened. It was another one of those pesky birthdays. In the eyes of someone in management, I no longer fit in anymore. I somehow became the odd man out." http://www.ericmhuffman.com/2022/03/it-used-to-be-something-fun.html [06:57] TR Bot My Personal Blog: It Used To Be Something Fun [06:58] psydruid there isn't room for them to pretend anymore, it's all about lock-in through applications and services now [06:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 18.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 306.63 [06:59] TR News LLVM still in bed with Microsoft criminals I see... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Starts-DX-HLSL-Code-Land [06:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LLVM-Starts-DX-HLSL-Code-Land [06:59] TR Bot Begins Landing The Initial DirectX / HLSL Target Code - Phoronix ● Mar 29 [07:00] schestowitz psydruid: http://www.allgov.com/news/top-stories/cia-strategy-collect-all-data-and-keep-it-forever-130325?news=849534 [07:00] TR Bot Stories - CIA Strategy: Collect All Data and Keep it Forever - AllGov - News [07:00] schestowitz give Microsoft bailout [07:00] schestowitz from military budget [07:00] schestowitz get something in return [07:01] TR News Microsoft: we need to be BAILED OUT by the Pentagon (taxpayers' money) so that we can bribe officials -- with US TAX MONEY -- all around the world http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/ [07:01] TR Bot The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights [07:02] TR News Best Programming Languages to Learn in 2022 https://linuxhint.com/best_programming_languages_2022/ Source: LinuxHint | GNU | Linux | FreeSW [07:02] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxhint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxhint.com/best_programming_languages_2022/ [07:02] TR Bot Best Programming Languages to Learn in 2022 [07:04] psydruid I wonder how deeply they have managed to infiltrate the free software stack, because I don't believe everything is getting audited and scrutinised anymore [07:05] psydruid referring to things like systemd [07:06] psydruid or the kernel [07:09] TR News Zo Kooymans First Keynote as Free Software Foundation (FSF) Executive Director | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/ [07:09] TR Bot Zo Kooymans First Keynote as Free Software Foundation (FSF) Executive Director | Techrights [07:11] TR News howtoforge and linuxcapable became invisible or inaccessible due to their outsourcing to clownflare. I wonder if they're even aware what a colossal error they've made! This is web suicide! [07:15] TR News netflix: we turn the internet into a souped up mesh of DRM. clownflare: we outsource web traffic to the US. facebook: we spy on people's personal lives. 'Dating' apps and similar: we build a database of people's sex life. Amazon: middleman for China's sweatshops. And so on... (Microsoft: we bribe everyone everywhere) [07:16] TR News Zemlin PAC as front group of Mark Zuckerberg; he pays them for reputation laundering. https://linuxfoundation.org/featured/mlh-fellowship-opens-applications-production-engineering-scholarships/ [07:16] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/featured/mlh-fellowship-opens-applications-production-engineering-scholarships/ [07:16] TR Bot MLH Fellowship Opens Applications for this Summers Production Engineering Track - Linux Foundation [07:17] TR News Linux Foundation is an inherently racist organisation. Hence they make a lot of noise (to distract from it, to cause confusion). [07:20] AdmFubar https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/ [07:20] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/28/ai_fake_linkedin_faces/ [07:20] TR Bot 1,000-plus AI-generated LinkedIn faces discovered in probe The Register [07:28] AdmFubar https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/ [07:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/ [07:28] TR Bot Denies Cox's Challenge of $1 Billion Music Piracy Verdict * TorrentFreak [07:28] TR News People dont like GNOME 42s inconsistent themes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163094 [07:28] TR Bot People don't like GNOME 42's inconsistent themes | Tux Machines [07:28] TR News Fujitsu Lifebook T725 with openSUSE Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163095 [07:28] TR Bot Fujitsu Lifebook T725 with openSUSE | Tux Machines [07:28] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163096 [07:28] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [07:29] TR News Chrome = back door https://www.itechpost.com/articles/109754/20220328/update-google-chrome-download-security-computer-android.htm [07:29] TR Bot Update Google Chrome Now: How To Download Chrome Security Update on Mac, Linux, Windows, Android | iTech Post [07:30] AdmFubar hhhmmm someone sounds desperate https://www.windowscentral.com/snag-cheap-xbox-series-x-microsofts-new-refurbished-consoles [07:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/snag-cheap-xbox-series-x-microsofts-new-refurbished-consoles [07:30] TR Bot Snag a cheap Xbox Series X with Microsoft's new refurbished consoles | Windows Central [07:30] TR News Ubuntu: Conky, Ubuntu News, and Firmus Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163097 [07:30] TR Bot Ubuntu: Conky, Ubuntu News, and Firmus | Tux Machines [07:31] *matey (~matey@7hpuxwr5tewrw.irc) has joined #techrights [07:32] matey activelow: i dont think mcdonalds is in any way indicative of american food in general. there is some overlap. [07:32] matey the constant addition of sugar to condiments is an industrial maneuver, and mcdonalds takes it even farther. go to a cookout and theres a higher ratio of meat to sugar flavour [07:33] matey real restaurants lean on sugar less. eating sugar makes you hungry, and companies know this and abuse it. [07:33] matey of course they still serve coca cola. [07:36] matey i think burger king tries to distinguish themselves with a saltier taste. when youre working with processed leftovers additives are the primary culinary weapon [07:36] matey the chips at kfc in the uk are naturally better than the american ones. theyre not as good as real chips, just a small step in that direction [07:40] matey in the 80s, wendys had the worst chips on earth. you probably had better odds getting frozen ones, letting them thaw until they became a health risk, and then microwaving them. i hear theyve gotten better since. [07:41] matey you cant reheat mcdonalds chips. whatever gives them their flavour is extremely volatile and evaporates into thin air within 8 minutes. if it lasted a little longer, the cia could use it to pass secret messages. [07:50] matey the most reliable way to get proper chips in america is to make them at home. there is a not-too-remote possibility of losing half your kitchen this way [07:51] matey a safer alternative is just to mash potatoes and add cheese to them [07:56] matey id joke about how in the future, drm will bring the restaurant industry to its knees when commercial fryers stop working reliably, but we are already there with mcdonalds shake machines [07:57] matey "sorry, we cant make anything, fryers are down" [07:57] matey "again?" [07:58] matey i think some industries are just bored and trying to see if they can taunt people into a revolution for shits and giggles [07:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 95.25 average k/sec., average swarm size 300.73 ● Mar 29 [08:01] matey like when jim was so done trying to top his own pranks on the office that he got dwight to make himself his own assistant [08:04] Ariadne the cat and the bun are in a staring contest [08:08] matey "im cuter." "fuck you, ive got more followers are on instagram." [08:31] schestowitz-TR matey: I was trying to 'find' you [08:31] schestowitz-TR did you see the puppy news? [08:32] schestowitz-TR http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163093 [08:32] TR Bot puppylinux.com is down (PuppyLinux outsourced to Microsoft, Microsoft suspends site of GNU/Linux distro) | Tux Machines [08:33] schestowitz-TR oh, dear, barry... [08:33] schestowitz-TR if only somehow cautioned you... [08:34] TR News "This weeks episode of Destination Linux, were going to be talking about running open source on your mobile device." https://destinationlinux.org/episode-271/ [08:34] TR Bot 271: GNOME 42 & Our Open Source Android App Picks - Destination Linux [08:34] matey given that i have paid almost zero attention to easyos, which is most likely githubbased as well [08:35] matey puppy itself is entirely in the hands of a community that felt its impractical to migrate, so theyre stuck with it [08:35] matey my own distro came out of a project to experiment with rebooting a fully-libre version of puppy [08:36] matey this was before the github purchase [08:37] matey there is at least one puppy derivative that steers clear of github, though i believe it is 64-bit x86 only and i have no use for that [08:37] schestowitz-TR fatdog? [08:37] matey maybe that one [08:37] schestowitz-TR no released in ages [08:38] schestowitz-TR same for black lab linux [08:38] matey here are two bigger problems for puppy [08:38] schestowitz-TR does Easy use Woof? [08:38] matey they lost john murga a while ago, he hosted the forum that had most of the history of puppy [08:38] schestowitz-TR I had puppy on a machine of mine, briefly [08:38] schestowitz-TR replaced it with Debian [08:38] matey the forums are gone [08:39] matey i couldnt use puppy as-is, too many gripes about it [08:39] matey youd consider some of them privacy issues [08:39] matey i fixed those [08:39] schestowitz-TR good [08:39] matey but only in the version i worked on [08:40] matey i did it to encourage others to consider doing the same [08:40] TR News RM500U-CN Raspberry Pi 5G HAT kit sells for under $200... for the Chinese market Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163098 [08:40] TR Bot RM500U-CN Raspberry Pi 5G HAT kit sells for under $200... for the Chinese market | Tux Machines [08:40] matey so the forums are gone, and with them most of the information about puppy [08:40] schestowitz-TR is barry upset at you? [08:40] matey i dont think barry knows i exist [08:40] schestowitz-TR after the confrontation over github? [08:41] schestowitz-TR iirc, they banned you from their forums for it [08:41] matey no, youre thinking of something else [08:41] schestowitz-TR okl; [08:41] schestowitz-TR maybe another distro [08:41] matey another forum [08:41] schestowitz-TR a MATE-y based distro [08:42] matey no i wouldnt bother with mate [08:42] matey also github [08:42] matey though still the best version of gnome, fwiw [08:42] schestowitz-TR cinnamon same [08:42] schestowitz-TR this predates Microsoft criminals owning it [08:42] schestowitz-TR afaik [08:42] matey i believe so yes [08:42] schestowitz-TR so more forgivable [08:42] matey sure but they need to move [08:42] schestowitz-TR moving away from such a LOCK-IN engine is not easy [08:42] matey no, thats exactly why people should move [08:43] schestowitz-TR "but I have my CDs at the back of his truck!!' [08:43] matey so true [08:43] matey the biggest problem with puppy is this [08:44] matey barry is-- a talented coder... [08:44] schestowitz-TR CDS = GitHub(TM) Issues(R) [08:44] matey he did a lot of work that you could call great if you wanted to [08:44] matey he inspired a lot of people [08:44] matey i learned a lot of first-time gnu/linux stuff on puppy [08:44] matey it used to be one of the fastest things you could run on older stuff [08:45] matey i still make some decisions on what software to use based on my early experiences with puppy [08:45] matey but... [08:46] matey its all a giant mess of bash scripts, or other shell scripts [08:46] matey which makes it future proof in a way-- i mean, theyre not likely to make them stop working [08:46] matey theyre just impossible to clean up and maintain [08:46] schestowitz-TR yes, that's why I do bash a lot [08:46] schestowitz-TR but wayland threatens my x-centric stuff [08:46] matey so basically theyve been doing a firefox on woof for years [08:47] matey and the progress theyve made seems reactos-like [08:47] matey it will take forever [08:47] matey mozilla had to be rewritten, it took years [08:47] schestowitz-TR firefox on woof, meaning..? [08:47] matey but these are hobbyists [08:48] schestowitz-TR btw, today's browsers take AGGGGESSS to build [08:48] matey meaning theyre trying to redo all of it in a clean way-- i dont blame them [08:48] matey heres what that does to the community though [08:48] matey the community throws up its hands, says woof is too hard to use [08:48] matey simply goes about remastering instead [08:48] matey someone will use woof to puppyfy the latest ubuntu or slaxk [08:49] matey slack, then the rest of it goes from there [08:49] matey woof is a labour of love i suppose-- hard labour [08:49] TR News "The expression "Second Brain" has been popularized by Tiago Forte, who's been running an online cohort-based class called Building a Second Brain I took the class last year and found it a powerful distillation of an approach to PKM and note-taking." http://thomas.apestaart.org/log/?p=1659 [08:49] TR Bot Building a Second Brain [08:49] matey barry isnt really involved with it [08:49] matey he wanted to move on and does easyos [08:50] TR News Patents "offered" https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/572018/covid-booster-shot-will-be-offered-to-health-workers-in-south-africa/ [08:50] TR Bot ( status 503 @ https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/572018/covid-booster-shot-will-be-offered-to-health-workers-in-south-africa/ ) [08:50] Alternative link Cloudflare: businesstech.co.za | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://businesstech.co.za/news/trending/572018/covid-booster-shot-will-be-offered-to-health-workers-in-south-africa/ [08:50] matey i dont know much about it-- something like packages are containers but its a lightweight distro [08:50] matey since i dont use the linux kernel its of no use to me [08:50] schestowitz-TR jails? [08:51] matey youd think i would know a lot about jails by now [08:51] Ariadne matey: what is your kernel of choice [08:51] TR News Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Destination Linux, Late Night Linux, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163099 [08:51] TR Bot Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Destination Linux, Late Night Linux, and More | Tux Machines [08:51] matey ariadne: openbsd-- but im not married to it, its still serious [08:51] matey definitely a live in couple arrangement [08:52] Ariadne i mean, outside of alpine, openbsd is my OS of choice [08:52] schestowitz-TR openbsd has gemini clients in the repos [08:52] schestowitz-TR unlike debian [08:52] schestowitz-TR unlike ubuntu [08:52] matey openbsd has its own gemini server (obviously not on installation, you can pkg_add it) [08:53] matey but its written specifically for openbsd, using native features (to reduce the need for maintaining code) [08:53] matey its called vger [08:53] TR News "I hope you could help me to learn how to live the gemini way and maybe we'll become fellow rhum drinkers !" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/863 [08:53] schestowitz-TR i know vger [08:54] matey but part of the reason i dont know much about bsd jails is [08:54] matey the super-neat security feature of openbsd is pledge [08:55] matey and what it does (not an entirely new idea at all, only some aspects of the approach) is reduces access to the kernel [08:55] schestowitz-TR better than Windows Defender? :p [08:55] matey i mean a bucket of water balloons is better than windows defender [08:55] *schestowitz-TR checks when vger was last released [08:55] schestowitz-TR vger might get bloated with features [08:55] matey that is incredibly unlikely [08:56] matey its like saying a unicycle might get bloated with features [08:56] matey the entire philosophy of vger is not to write anything that is already available in openbsd natively [08:56] matey including parts of the server itself [08:57] schestowitz last change 2 months ago https://tildegit.org/solene/vger [08:57] TR Bot solene/vger: gemini server written in C used with inetd - vger - tildegit [08:57] schestowitz https://tildegit.org/solene/vger [08:57] schestowitz https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2020-11-30-gemini-vger-server.html [08:57] matey you could compare it to clip on sunglasses-- they dont even have temples, they go on existing glasses [08:57] TR Bot Solene'% : How to deploy Vger gemini server on OpenBSD [08:58] matey but in general openbsd has a culture of not adding useless crap (unless its for security research) [08:58] schestowitz iirc, solene said she had coded it in 100 or 200 LOCs [08:58] matey yeah because its only part of a server in the first place [08:58] schestowitz matey: so it's like suckless [08:58] matey it has some things in common with suckless [08:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 74.85 average k/sec., average swarm size 242.41 [08:59] matey suckless eschews more than openbsd does [08:59] matey for example, when they created pledge, the thing they really wanted to try it on was firefox [08:59] matey why firefox? [08:59] schestowitz blowfish suckless [08:59] matey because firefox was one of the biggest messes they could think of that lots of people use ● Mar 29 [09:00] schestowitz firefox is a MESS [09:00] matey and thats exactly why they wanted to see if pledge could work well with it [09:00] schestowitz run lsod| grep firefox| wc -l [09:00] schestowitz run lsof| grep firefox| wc -l [09:00] matey sort of like if you made a new rifle and had the light brigade from charge of the light brigade test it out [09:00] schestowitz netsurf is like 100 times lesss [09:00] matey they have netsurf too [09:00] schestowitz I use it 2/47 [09:01] schestowitz 24/7 even [09:01] schestowitz netsurf has frequent releases [09:01] schestowitz it's one outlet for www fatigue [09:01] schestowitz but it still uses a broken protocol [09:01] schestowitz and faces hostile sites [09:01] matey i still think getting away from the web is a very good idea [09:01] schestowitz eventually [09:02] schestowitz it's like saying, let's go vegan [09:02] schestowitz you can start by reducing [09:02] schestowitz like 80% gemini, 20% web [09:02] schestowitz and if everyone else does it, momentum shifts [09:02] schestowitz this past 1-2 I cannot access some sites [09:02] schestowitz Gulag killed feedburner [09:03] schestowitz it's final [09:03] schestowitz and clownflare blocks RSS requests [09:03] schestowitz as if my RSS reader can solve JS riddles [09:03] schestowitz the web goes to shit [09:03] schestowitz gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/ [09:03] matey clownflare is one of the things that will help kill th web for good [09:03] schestowitz yes! [09:03] matey you know the saddest exmaple of clownflare i know? its not even, its just a similar bullshit [09:04] SomeH4x0r archived websites are good too I think, but I don't like that Web Archive grew big [09:04] schestowitz many people think git is github [09:04] matey securi firewall-- i call it suckuri [09:04] schestowitz and www is clownflare [09:04] schestowitz and gnu is "linux" [09:04] schestowitz and PC is "Windows" [09:04] matey the guy who maintains ncurses for gnu blocks tor users from his website [09:04] SomeH4x0r *Wintel [09:04] schestowitz and Internet is Web [09:04] matey its a clownflare like "firewall" for the web [09:05] schestowitz there are tons more examples like these [09:05] schestowitz google is search [09:05] matey sometimes sourceforge does too, but not half as badly [09:05] schestowitz I could give dozens of examples [09:05] matey and 99% of the time, when i see them doing that [09:05] matey i just say fuck it and give up on that website [09:05] schestowitz when something becomes too dominant in something [09:05] schestowitz and then the hoi polloi thinks that's the same thing [09:06] schestowitz usenet is google groups [09:06] schestowitz amfora and lagrange have a lot of share in gemini [09:06] schestowitz which itself is risky [09:06] schestowitz and they implement some "special" features [09:06] schestowitz "blue e" = internet [09:06] matey and at least one is github based [09:07] schestowitz to people in se asia and africa FB *IS* "the internet" [09:07] matey i think the only client i have right now is a bash script [09:07] schestowitz and to some, twitter is "the news" [09:07] matey se asia? [09:07] schestowitz s.e. asia [09:07] matey laos? [09:07] schestowitz like indochina [09:07] matey vietnam? [09:07] matey my geography has always been shit [09:08] matey indochina <- okay [09:10] matey "blue e" = internet <- oh yes i remember [09:10] matey adventurism in branding [09:10] matey aol did it first, microsoft beat them at their own game [09:10] matey i realise aol was a bbs too, i used a bbs service in the early 90s [09:11] schestowitz-TR to many people "apps" are... [09:11] schestowitz-TR "phones" are.. [09:11] schestowitz-TR (esp, the young) [09:11] matey its very sad [09:11] schestowitz-TR who never sae a floppy disk [09:11] schestowitz-TR diskette [09:11] matey why did you 3d print the save icon [09:12] schestowitz-TR lol!!! [09:12] schestowitz-TR i got a gift from a colleague [09:12] schestowitz-TR 4 coasters [09:12] schestowitz-TR they're diskettes [09:12] matey i had those [09:12] matey yep [09:12] schestowitz-TR with cork on them [09:12] matey these were a foam-like rubbery... foam [09:13] schestowitz-TR I still use these [09:13] schestowitz-TR I collect coasters [09:13] schestowitz-TR they're nice and cheap [09:13] matey at one point many years ago i got a bunch of aol cds specifically to use as coasters [09:14] matey i think 3.5 diskettes would work better actually, as long the glass wasnt too wide [09:15] matey theres a limit to how much condensation a cd can stand and still act as a coaster [09:15] matey plus the hole in the centre [09:16] matey you could use two with a piece of tape between them, though i didnt get that elaborate [09:17] schestowitz https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-net-beyond-the-web-audio-only/ [09:17] TR Bot The Net beyond the Web (Audio Only) GNU MediaGoblin [09:17] schestowitz they uploaded the wrong files [09:17] schestowitz both the audio and video versions [09:18] matey did the upload the one where theyre are a bunch of people wearing hoods and holding swords while stallman has his hands tied together? [09:18] matey there [09:19] matey we arent supposed to see that one yet [09:20] matey thomas lord said the people curious why stallman wasnt invited to lp were guilty of "hero worship" [09:20] matey i give up, he was defending him when stallman was cancelled [09:21] matey thomas lord has gone back and forth on this sort of thing enough times-- i dont know what side hes on, ive simply accepted that ill never understand his motivations [09:21] matey this isnt the first time [09:22] matey i wouldnt even put it down to just saying what he thinks people want to hear-- if its not that though, i really dont know what it is [09:24] TR News Panos Alevropoulos on Software Patents in 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/ [09:24] TR Bot Panos Alevropoulos on Software Patents in 2022 | Techrights [09:24] matey https://puppylinux.com/ online [09:24] TR Bot Puppy Linux Home [09:25] XRevan86 https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sysvinit-devel/2022-03/msg00000.html "Issues can be reported here: https://github.com/slicer69/sysvinit/issues " [09:25] TR Bot Release of SysV init 3.02 [09:25] TR Bot slicer69/sysvinit GitHub [09:25] schestowitz-TR still on Microsoft server? [09:26] matey online: https://github.com/puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE [09:26] TR Bot - puppylinux-woof-CE/woof-CE: woof - the Puppy builder [09:26] schestowitz-TR hehe [09:26] schestowitz-TR King Microsoft: bow down [09:26] matey still on Microsoft server? <- i wasnt aware it was on a microsoft server to begin with [09:26] schestowitz-TR we own you!\ [09:26] matey https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sysvinit-devel/2022-03/msg00000.html "Issues can be reported here: https://github.com/slicer69/sysvinit/issues " <- i literally found this a few days ago [09:27] XRevan86 matey: Didn't notice that here. [09:27] matey so switching from systemd to sysvinit wont get you away from github [09:27] schestowitz-TR let's use a platform controlled by criminals [09:27] schestowitz-TR just ignore the host [09:27] schestowitz-TR sure, it bribes everyone [09:27] schestowitz-TR but we're fine [09:27] matey matey: Didn't notice that here. <- 99% of what i find about github i dont even mention here [09:27] schestowitz-TR we'll be OK [09:27] schestowitz-TR ignore the many github departures [09:27] schestowitz-TR inc. CEO [09:28] schestowitz-TR and the assault on women [09:28] schestowitz-TR the media won't report these anyway [09:28] matey and the users only care if they step down [09:28] matey like if they didnt step down, they might leave github [09:28] matey but if they do step down, problem solved [09:29] schestowitz-TR in 2018 many projects chose github [09:29] schestowitz-TR in 2022 not as many [09:29] schestowitz-TR other options are considered [09:29] matey thats good [09:29] schestowitz-TR so over time the share of Microsoft will decrease [09:29] schestowitz-TR same with skype [09:29] matey im disappointed about the sr.ht model [09:29] schestowitz-TR when Microsoft took over a decade ago it was dominant [09:29] schestowitz-TR now it's nothing compared to whatsapp [09:29] matey not that you have to pay to start a project there, or maintain write access [09:29] matey thats okay [09:29] schestowitz-TR whatsapp is bad also, but.. [09:30] matey but that they dont plan to even keep code online when payment stops [09:30] schestowitz-TR what is the company -- and the site -- collapse? [09:30] matey for 8 weeks sure [09:30] schestowitz-TR I put some coding projects of mine in freshmeat [09:30] schestowitz-TR don't know what freshmeat.net leads to now [09:31] schestowitz-TR iirc, esr and others made a new site [09:31] schestowitz-TR with new name [09:31] schestowitz-TR and it's merely an archive of some king [09:31] schestowitz-TR *kind [09:31] matey i think freshmeat goes to sourceforge or something [09:31] schestowitz-TR and maybe that too is offline already [09:31] matey but not directly [09:31] schestowitz-TR 20 years ago FM and SSF were de facto platforms for fs projects [09:32] matey like freshmeat says the site is out of date and then offers to take you to sourceforge or something [09:32] schestowitz-TR the web has a short shelf life [09:32] matey but some of the content is still there [09:32] matey what is it that rms says people should say instead of "content"? [09:32] matey i dont know how he ever got the idea that its a condescending word [09:33] schestowitz-TR it is [09:33] schestowitz-TR not only RMS said it [09:33] matey cdrs and classic books always had a table of "contents" [09:33] schestowitz-TR even 15 years ago many said it [09:33] schestowitz-TR with high-profile articles to that effect [09:33] schestowitz-TR "user-generated content" [09:33] schestowitz-TR "user" [09:33] schestowitz-TR "generated" [09:33] schestowitz-TR "content" [09:33] matey i take more issue with "user generated" tbh [09:33] schestowitz-TR sweatshop-teleported "stuff" [09:34] matey when rms says "content" is bad it goes over my head [09:34] schestowitz-TR like the creators are "NPCs" [09:34] schestowitz-TR are songs "content"? [09:34] matey yeah "user generated" i can see the slight cringe value [09:34] schestowitz-TR was the mona lisa "content"? [09:34] schestowitz-TR is firefox "content"? [09:34] matey war and peace was. [09:35] matey a tale of two cities was [09:35] matey this is just making something out of nothing imo [09:35] matey but im still trying to understand-- i just, dont [09:36] matey a mango lassi is the "contents" of a glass [09:36] matey a good lassi is work of art imo [09:36] matey "gourmet" if you like [09:36] matey i just cant find a way to be offended by it. [09:36] matey again: classic books [09:37] matey granted "gourmet" is a stupid word, but i dont consider it an insult [09:37] matey as used ^ [09:39] matey part of the reason i cant understand the offense taken is that the original context online was [09:39] matey a website was JUST a website-- it was the "content" that actually mattered [09:39] matey its the filling in the oreo [09:39] matey the good part [09:39] matey without that, why bother visiting? [09:40] matey but i dont know-- when you have a list of words youre encouraging people to avoid/use, maybe sometimes you add one thats sort of useless (or proves to be later) [09:41] matey ive always been very open about having mixed feelings about that page. rms never treated it as mandatory, trisquel added it to their forum rules. i was never a fan of that either. [09:41] matey i called it a "gnuspeak" dictionary [09:41] matey well intentioned, i just didnt like it [09:42] matey its one thing to say people are better off using only free software [09:43] matey its another to tell everyone who uses free software they should accept this dictionary, rather than writing their own and making those decisions for themselves [09:43] matey rms maybe did no harm there, trisquel-- i dont agree with it. [09:43] matey and today you have ubuntu pulling the same trick based on NICENESS [09:44] matey so, i cant say theres no precedent, free software. [09:44] matey github: you shouldnt use master when you can use main, its racist [09:45] matey fsf: you shouldnt use content when you can use (?), its selling yourself short [09:45] matey not the same i know. just too similar for my taste (and it was before github was even thing) [09:45] TR News "To begin, the trucks wiper blade control unit was ripped out and replaced with an Arduino Uno along with a new DC motor driver and motor encoder for determining its absolute position." https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/28/these-special-windshield-wipers-move-to-the-beat-of-a-cars-stereo/ [09:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/28/these-special-windshield-wipers-move-to-the-beat-of-a-cars-stereo/ [09:45] TR Bot These special windshield wipers move to the beat of a car's stereo | Arduino Blog [09:46] matey it ENTIRELY depends on what degree of importance is given to it of course. when its literally just a suggestion, who cares, theres no problem. [09:46] matey some people prefer dogma, when a suggestion is offered. i dont. [09:49] matey https://www.bkhome.org/ <- online [09:49] TR Bot BarryK's Home All categories [09:49] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163100 [09:49] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [09:50] matey i dont even know which site was down, so i cant tell if its back up [09:51] TR News Gulag and Clownflare wage a war on the Web. Mozilla helps both of them. What does that make Mozilla? [09:56] TR News "In this post, I will talk about how I modified my pkg configuration so I dont have to modify it after upgrading a host/jail" https://dan.langille.org/2022/03/27/making-my-pkg-conf-configuration-version-independent/ [09:56] TR Bot Making my pkg.conf configuration version independent Dan Langille's Other Diary [09:57] TR News "Cyntech has been on the Raspberry Pi scene since the early days." https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cyntech-raspberry-pi-4-case-and-heatsink-review [09:57] TR Bot Cyntech Raspberry Pi 4 Case and Heatsink Review | Tom's Hardware [09:57] TR News "I haven't written for a bit, in part because I am currently on vacation in Mexico." https://computer.rip/2022-03-24-VoWiFi.html [09:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: computer.rip | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://computer.rip/2022-03-24-VoWiFi.html [09:57] TR Bot Computers Are Bad [09:58] TR News "The technical components of e-CODEX are open source building blocks, mainly consisting of a connector and a gateway" https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/cross-border-justice-going-open-source [09:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: europa.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/collection/open-source-observatory-osor/news/cross-border-justice-going-open-source [09:58] TR Bot Cross-border justice going open source | Joinup [09:59] TR News FSF ED Zo said that she has an endless amount of examples and reasons to believe that free software is the way forward, worth protecting, and something we need to make sure people understand how to fight for http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/zoe-kooyman-keynote/ [09:59] TR Bot Zo Kooymans First Keynote as Free Software Foundation (FSF) Executive Director | Techrights [09:59] TR News IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 28, 2022 Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/irc-log-280322/ Source: Techrights | GNU | Linux | FreeSW | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/irc-log-280322/ ● Mar 29 [10:00] TR Bot IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 28, 2022 | Techrights [10:00] TR News Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163101 [10:00] TR Bot today's howtos | Tux Machines [10:00] TR News "This talk is about software patents, and how they are legal instruments designed to curtail the freedom of developers for the sake of multinational companies interests. http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/panos-alevropoulos-swpats/ [10:00] TR Bot Panos Alevropoulos on Software Patents in 2022 | Techrights [10:01] TR News "Elliptic curve cryptography (ECC) is a type of public-key cryptographic systems." https://matt-rickard.com/elliptic-curve-cryptography/ [10:01] Alternative link Cloudflare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/elliptic-curve-cryptography/ [10:01] TR Bot Elliptic Curve Cryptography for Beginners [10:07] schestowitz-TR matey: the puppy linux site [10:08] schestowitz-TR barry's site mentioned the issue [10:08] schestowitz-TR so clearly it was not down [10:08] schestowitz-TR read the post [10:08] schestowitz-TR github SUSPENDED it [10:08] schestowitz-TR it's not the github downtime issue [10:08] schestowitz-TR they mess around [10:11] matey they mess around <- so does anyone who stays there, imo [10:12] schestowitz-TR ack [10:12] matey the least they could do is warn others "dont come here! its a trap!" [10:12] schestowitz-TR lol [10:12] matey instead they act as free marketing and say "well you know, its what people use" [10:12] matey great, so youre running windows then [10:12] matey no, windows sucks [10:12] matey but its what people USE! [10:12] TR News social CONTROL media https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60875884 [10:12] TR Bot Teenage social media use linked to less life-satisfaction for some - BBC News [10:13] TR News "NYT had confirmed that the documents used as source material" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/business-technology/rehashed-nyt-yarn-on-russian-surveillance-shot-down-by-nokia.html [10:13] Alternative link Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/business-technology/rehashed-nyt-yarn-on-russian-surveillance-shot-down-by-nokia.html [10:13] TR Bot - Rehashed NYT yarn on Russian surveillance shot down by Nokia [10:14] TR News "NYT described how the Finnish firm played a "key role" in helping" https://yle.fi/news/3-12380296 [10:14] TR Bot NYT: Nokia played "key role" in enabling Russian cyberspying | News | Yle Uutiset [10:14] TR News "For more than five years, Nokia provided equipment and services to link SORM to Russias largest telecom service provider, MTS" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/technology/nokia-russia-surveillance-system-sorm.html [10:14] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/technology/nokia-russia-surveillance-system-sorm.html [10:14] TR Bot When Nokia Pulled Out of Russia, a Vast Surveillance System Remained - The New York Times [10:15] TR News "Security firm UpGuard released a report detailing how it found 1.7TB of data owned by Nokia and related to Russian operator MTS" https://nokiamob.net/2019/09/22/1-7tb-nokia-data-leak-reveals-details-about-surveillance-in-russia/ [10:15] Alternative link Cloudflare: nokiamob.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nokiamob.net/2019/09/22/1-7tb-nokia-data-leak-reveals-details-about-surveillance-in-russia/ [10:15] TR Bot 1.7TB Nokia data leak reveals details about surveillance in Russia | Nokiamob [10:16] matey now heres something nice barry has done [10:16] TR News move!! https://reason.com/volokh/2022/03/27/nycs-private-anti-idling-law-enforcers/ [10:16] TR Bot NYC's Private Anti-Idling Law Enforcers [10:16] matey he forked bashblog (github) to: https://bkhome.org/news/tag_shellcms.html [10:16] TR Bot Barrys News Posts tagged "shellcms" [10:16] matey self hosted [10:16] schestowitz-TR nice [10:17] schestowitz-TR if enough people moan about it [10:17] matey bashblog is what he was doing his blog with of course [10:17] schestowitz-TR he might not react overnight [10:17] matey shellcms is his fork of it [10:17] schestowitz-TR but that adds up [10:17] matey barry is compeltely hands-off regarding puppy [10:17] schestowitz-TR yes, i know the 'cms' he uses [10:17] matey i think easyos would have been created solely so he could wash his hands of the former [10:18] matey well its barry, so "cmk" is going mean, naturally "a shell script" [10:18] matey cms ^ [10:18] TR News Land of disneyland... running out of water https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/600116-newsom-issues-order-tightening-water-conservation-amid [10:18] TR Bot issues order tightening water conservation amid worsening drought | TheHill [10:19] matey whatever the community does with puppy is 100% up to the community [10:19] matey and for better or worse, its not a corporation this time [10:19] TR News Old: "More than half the worlds population faces water scarcity for at least one month every year." https://theconversation.com/ipcc-report-half-the-world-is-facing-water-scarcity-floods-and-dirty-water-large-investments-are-needed-for-effective-solutions-175578 [10:19] TR Bot IPCC report: Half the world is facing water scarcity, floods and dirty water large investments are needed for effective solutions [10:19] matey though the community INSISTS on dividing into tiers along user/dev lines [10:20] matey and this pressure comes from the users more than the devs i think [10:20] TR News Mister Pentagon (PentaGAFAM) https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/28/22999754/eric-schmidt-google-money-white-house-science-ai-lander [10:20] TR Bot Ex-Google CEO funneled money into the White House science office - The Verge [10:21] matey as though developeritis is a disease one might contract if certain precautions are not taken [10:21] matey "i heard jakes got the developer thing now" "wow, really makes you think doesnt it" [10:21] TR News MIT on Misinformation??? https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/03/fake-news-misinformation-mit-study/629396/ Give me a break, MIT. Quit covering up for sex traffickers. http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/ [10:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/03/fake-news-misinformation-mit-study/629396/ [10:21] TR Bot I Shared Fake News About a Fake-News Study - The Atlantic [10:21] TR Bot Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights [10:22] TR News "video-game developers, rather than professional historians" https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/history-video-games-europa-universalis/622892/ [10:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/history-video-games-europa-universalis/622892/ [10:22] TR Bot What Happens When Kids Get Their History From Video Games? - The Atlantic [10:22] matey we are of course talking mostly about hacking on bash scripts and maybe compiling a package sometimes, while creating a package is done with an automated tool anybody (even users) can use [10:23] matey thats what theyre afraid of accidentally getting sucked into [10:23] schestowitz-TR where are puppy users? [10:23] schestowitz-TR serious question [10:23] schestowitz-TR just sounds a little smelly [10:23] matey theres a forum somewhere [10:23] matey smelly? [10:23] schestowitz-TR where in the world? [10:23] schestowitz-TR demography and rigs [10:23] matey i mean barry is an aussie [10:24] schestowitz-TR yes, I know [10:24] schestowitz-TR but puppy is for low specs [10:24] matey they have a few brits [10:24] matey i honestly dont think you get low specs [10:24] schestowitz-TR but the users? [10:24] matey low specs are popular all over the world, not just where needed [10:24] schestowitz-TR puppy is good for weak hardware [10:24] schestowitz-TR old stuff [10:25] matey yes but it runs on new stuff [10:25] matey its based on ubuntu [10:25] schestowitz-TR yes, but then the reason to choose puppy isn't quite there [10:25] matey so basically, imagine who would have used lxde when that was a thing [10:25] schestowitz-TR rianne [10:25] matey i dont think as many people choose puppy as before [10:25] schestowitz-TR and me [10:26] matey it was designed in the era where burning cdrs was the typical way of using a distro-- easyos doesnt even have an iso, its usb only [10:26] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_OS [10:26] TR Bot Raspberry Pi OS - Wikipedia [10:26] schestowitz "Raspberry Pi OS uses a modified LXDE as its desktop environment with the Openbox stacking window manager, along with a unique theme." [10:26] matey right [10:27] matey so im wrong that no one uses lxde anymore, obviously [10:27] matey its news to me [10:27] schestowitz-TR it is limited but very vewwwy vewwwyw wiiighyweight [10:27] matey but lots of low end hardware, if puppy runs on it. [10:27] matey i never tried puppy when i had a pi [10:27] schestowitz-TR there might be 100 million pies out there [10:27] schestowitz-TR 50m+ [10:27] schestowitz-TR *pis [10:28] TR News BillPR (NPR) promoting Gates shares https://text.npr.org/1086790531 [10:28] Alternative link Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1086790531 [10:28] TR Bot Misinformation is derailing renewable energy projects across the United States [10:29] TR News "It was a remarkable moment in the war in Europe: President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine gave a 90-minute-long Zoom interview on Sunday to four prominent journalists from Russia" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/world/europe/russia-media-zelensky.html [10:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/27/world/europe/russia-media-zelensky.html [10:29] TR Bot Zelensky Gives Interview to Russian Journalists. Moscow Orders It Quashed. - The New York Times [10:29] matey if puppy does run on a pi, and someone showed it to me and it ran a LOT better than raspbian, i wouldnt be surprised at all [10:29] matey the only distro ive seen that compares to puppy in this way is antix [10:29] matey also github based [10:29] matey and apologetic (trollishly so) for geoclue [10:30] matey but is it ever stupidly fast [10:30] TR News "In recent years these episodes have risen to an alarming level, with increasing cases of fatal violence." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/20/world/asia/pakistan-blasphemy-religious-violence.html [10:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/20/world/asia/pakistan-blasphemy-religious-violence.html [10:30] TR Bot Religion-Fueled Mobs on the Rise Again in Pakistan - The New York Times [10:30] matey i dont even understand how [10:30] schestowitz-TR is dsl still a contender? [10:30] schestowitz-TR was it jim or jwm? [10:31] schestowitz-TR icewm? [10:31] schestowitz-TR maybe both? [10:31] schestowitz-TR UI forgot [10:31] schestowitz-TR I have an old laptop with it [10:31] schestowitz-TR 90s laptop [10:31] matey no, dsl has been tinycore for at least a decade [10:31] matey more than that [10:31] matey dsl was john and robert [10:31] matey robert didnt like johns lack of respect for gpl [10:32] matey he finally left and created tinycore instead of dsl [10:32] matey john didnt have the skills robert did [10:32] schestowitz oops, I meant Joe, not Jim [10:32] schestowitz JWM (Joe's Window Manager) [10:32] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWM [10:32] TR Bot JWM - Wikipedia [10:32] matey tinycore didnt use jwm, i think puppy still does. [10:33] matey jwm and rox-desktop (rox-filer) [10:33] matey dsl used jwm as you seem to be suggesting [10:35] TR News The banning of Destiny & why Im deleting twitch https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/the-banning-of-destiny-why-i'm-deleting:7 Source: rossmanngroup [10:35] Alternative link Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/the-banning-of-destiny-why-i'm-deleting:7 [10:35] TR Bot The banning of Destiny & why I'm deleting twitch [10:36] TR News Matt cartoons March 2022 - News https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/matt-cartoons-march-2022/ Source: telegraph [10:36] TR Bot Matt cartoons March 2022 - News [10:36] matey the main thing about jwm is i was editing its xml-based config and thought "you know, i dont think i ever want to do this again" [10:37] matey something about editing xml-based configs i find depressing. weird, but there it is. its not too hard or anything. [10:37] schestowitz-TR sounds like a job for a gui [10:37] schestowitz-TR and not a hard-to-make GUI [10:37] matey sure but you know how it is with guis [10:37] schestowitz-TR or dialog [10:37] schestowitz-TR ncurses [10:37] matey oh never ncurses, this is puppy [10:37] schestowitz-TR lots of things that automate the packaging of it [10:37] schestowitz-TR enter permissible option set [10:38] matey puppy has redone its gui stuff so many times, i simply cant be bothered [10:38] schestowitz-TR I did that many times before with my own programs [10:38] matey nothing ties you to jwm in puppy really, so unless you prefer it, yo ucan just use something else [10:38] matey i was partial to icewm [10:38] schestowitz-TR in several languages and frameworks [10:39] TR News Feudalism https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/corporations-are-suppressing-wages-theres-an-easy-fix-for-that/ [10:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/corporations-are-suppressing-wages-theres-an-easy-fix-for-that/ [10:39] TR Bot Are Suppressing Wages...Theres an Easy Fix for That - CounterPunch.org [10:42] TR News Donald Biden https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/biden-on-putin/ [10:42] Alternative link Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/28/biden-on-putin/ [10:42] TR Bot on Putin - CounterPunch.org [10:43] TR News After the fall The old pillars of Russias free press have crumbled, but the journalists who ran those publications carry on. https://meduza.io/en/slides/after-the-fall [10:43] Alternative link Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/slides/after-the-fall [10:43] TR Bot NO TITLE [10:44] TR News "As a purely electronic device, its well outside the realm of conventional musical instruments. Two radio antennas detect the position of the musicians hands to make a unique sound traditionally associated with eeriness or science fiction." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/28/raspberry-pi-creates-melody/ [10:44] TR Bot Pi Creates Melody | Hackaday [10:45] TR News "The wildly successful PDP-11 minicomputer was a major influence on the evolution of computing throughout the 1970s" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/28/pdp-11-34-restoration-and-the-virtue-of-persistence/ [10:45] TR Bot Restoration And The Virtue Of Persistence | Hackaday [10:46] TR News Hollywood 'owns' the Net now? https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/ [10:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-denies-coxs-challenge-of-1-billion-music-piracy-verdict-220328/ [10:46] TR Bot Denies Cox's Challenge of $1 Billion Music Piracy Verdict * TorrentFreak [10:47] TR News "A little over a week ago a number of Destiny content creators had DMCA notices filed against their videos on" GulagTube https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-files-lawsuit-to-punish-senders-of-fake-destiny-dmca-notices-220328/ [10:47] Alternative link Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-files-lawsuit-to-punish-senders-of-fake-destiny-dmca-notices-220328/ [10:47] TR Bot Files Lawsuit to Punish Senders of Fake Destiny DMCA Notices * TorrentFreak [10:49] TR News Biden asks for more [bailout money for Microsoft] https://truthout.org/articles/biden-asks-congress-for-a-record-breaking-813-billion-in-military-spending/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/ [10:49] Alternative link Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/biden-asks-congress-for-a-record-breaking-813-billion-in-military-spending/ [10:49] TR Bot Biden Asks Congress for a Record-Breaking $813 Billion in Military Spending [10:49] TR Bot The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights [10:51] TR News US media, owned by oligarchs: let's entertain the masses with reports about collapse of Russian economy (at whose expense???) while our OWN economy is rotting away. Nationalism as the last recourse of failed capitalism. [10:54] TR News "The chairman of a congressional subcommittee has asked Apple and Gulag to help stop fraud against U.S. taxpayers on Telegram" https://www.propublica.org/article/congressional-chair-asks-google-and-apple-to-help-stop-fraud-against-u-s-taxpayers-on-telegram propublica bags bribes from pervert Bill Gates, so this famous criminal and the criminals from Microsoft are no longer scrutinised by propublica [10:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/congressional-chair-asks-google-and-apple-to-help-stop-fraud-against-u-s-taxpayers-on-telegram [10:54] TR Bot Congressional Chair Asks Google and Apple to Help Stop Fraud Against U.S. Taxpayers on Telegram ProPublica [10:54] *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving) [10:58] TR News "Ill give Nintendo this much: the company certainly is an absolute master at enforcing copyright in the most extreme, pettiest manner possible." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/nintendo-hates-you-scans-of-super-mario-64-manual-taken-down-via-copyright-claim/ [10:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/nintendo-hates-you-scans-of-super-mario-64-manual-taken-down-via-copyright-claim/ [10:58] TR Bot Hates You: Scans Of Super Mario 64 Manual Taken Down Via Copyright Claim | Techdirt [10:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 52.68 k/sec., IPFS upstream 68.26 average k/sec., average swarm size 295.83 ● Mar 29 [11:00] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: siren) [11:03] TR News Read the comments here. EU and EPO became 99% corruption when it comes to patent law. http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2022/03/23/is-upc-victim-of-a-latent-vice/#comments [11:03] TR Bot Is UPC Victim of a Latent Vice? - Kluwer Patent Blog [11:05] TR News Gulag kills things, including the Web. "The Feedburner Twitter account is inactive and recommends that people Tweet at Google instead. It seems that Google wants to get rid of the service and random 404s probably arent a high priority for them." https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/29/feedburner-dying/ [11:05] TR Bot Feedburner Seems to be Dying etbe - Russell Coker [11:10] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@tqegvjsx7fdka.irc) has joined #techrights [11:11] DaemonFC I hate Reddit. [11:11] DaemonFC "This app has unlimited dogs." You have to click "No thanks, I don't like dogs.". [11:11] DaemonFC Then it does the same thing about cats, and that time it says "Continue in browser.". [11:12] DaemonFC US media, owned by oligarchs: let's entertain the masses with reports about collapse of Russian economy (at whose expense???) while our OWN economy is rotting away. Nationalism as the last recourse of failed capitalism. [11:12] DaemonFC schestowitz, Robert Reich is pennin op-eds in the grauniad. [11:13] DaemonFC Stallman links to those too. [11:13] DaemonFC This time he's saying the Fed shouldn't raise rates from zero because it won't slow down inflation. [11:13] DaemonFC The only point of keeping rates at zero is to give large companies taxpayer-funded debt to do share buybacks with to make the economy look like it's growing. [11:14] DaemonFC It has absolutely nothing to do with employment levels. They fire people even now. [11:14] DaemonFC Interest rate hikes have little to do with the business cycle. If anything, they're so low they create moral hazards, like the buybacks. [11:17] schestowitz-TR [11:13] The only point of keeping rates at zero is to give large companies taxpayer-funded debt to do share buybacks with to make the economy look like it's growing. [11:17] schestowitz-TR yes!] [11:17] schestowitz-TR savers' accounts looted [11:17] schestowitz-TR by just sitting there [11:17] schestowitz-TR losing value [11:17] schestowitz-TR worse: [11:18] schestowitz-TR they could be diverted into "the stock market" [11:18] schestowitz-TR until it's epic collapse [11:18] DaemonFC The Fed is raising rates. I think it will slow down inflation because it's going to billionaires to build yachts the size of the Sears Tower. [11:18] schestowitz-TR only inside-trading frauds will know where to quit and cash in [11:19] schestowitz-TR US has a phantom economy [11:19] schestowitz-TR and has for decades [11:19] schestowitz-TR it's all borrowings [11:19] schestowitz-TR UK economy like all others suffers also [11:19] schestowitz-TR but not to the same degree [11:19] schestowitz-TR we don't have millions living in the streets [11:20] schestowitz-TR [10:51] US media, owned by oligarchs: let's entertain the masses with reports about collapse of Russian economy (at whose expense???) while our OWN economy is rotting away. Nationalism as the last recourse of failed capitalism. [11:20] DaemonFC Boris..... [11:20] DaemonFC Former American....quit due to IRS. [11:21] DaemonFC 10 point plan to making spiking the homeless look humane by comparison. [11:22] TR News "Trumps Truth Social is having getting users to actually use the platform" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/trumpists-admit-that-their-own-social-media-platforms-arent-much-fun-when-they-cant-use-them-to-own-the-libs/ [11:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/trumpists-admit-that-their-own-social-media-platforms-arent-much-fun-when-they-cant-use-them-to-own-the-libs/ [11:22] TR Bot Admit That Their Own Social Media Platforms Arent Much Fun When They Cant Use Them To Own The Libs | Techdirt [11:23] DaemonFC One reason both countries like propping up Ukraine is because they can give them a bunch of missiles that were aging and then dump money into replacing the stockpile. [11:23] DaemonFC Meanwhile, the older ones are blowing up Russians. [11:23] DaemonFC For a politician, nothing to lose there. [11:24] TR News "Dozens of prominent figures from the world of entertainment have come together to support hip hop artist and political campaigner Lowkey, after he was subject to a smear campaign and an attempt to remove his work from music streaming platform Spotify." https://www.mintpressnews.com/michael-malarkey-styles-p-wretch32-fredwreck-among-stars-condemning-israel-lobbys-attempt-cancel-lowkey/280098/ [11:24] Alternative link Cloudflare: mintpressnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.mintpressnews.com/michael-malarkey-styles-p-wretch32-fredwreck-among-stars-condemning-israel-lobbys-attempt-cancel-lowkey/280098/ [11:24] TR Bot Michael Malarkey, Styles P, Wretch32 & FredWreck among stars condemning Israel Lobbys Attempt to Cancel Lowkey [11:24] DaemonFC At least the mayor of San Francisco has the right name for what she's up to. "London" [11:25] TR News Cars are corrosive to freedom. They used to be marketed as tools of independence and emancipation. Not the "new" cars. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-investigation-mystery-gps-tracker-supporters-car [11:25] TR Bot An EFF Investigation: Mystery GPS Tracker On A Supporters Car | Electronic Frontier Foundation [11:26] DaemonFC I drove over a curb this morning in the dark. [11:26] DaemonFC I pulled over at the Mobil station to fill up because all the other stations are spiking 30 cents a gallon. [11:27] TR News Social CONTROL Media https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-files-foia-lawsuit-against-dhs-shed-light-vetting-program-collect-and-data-mine [11:27] TR Bot EFF Files FOIA Lawsuit Against DHS to Shed Light on Vetting Program to Collect and Data Mine Immigrants' Social Media | Electronic Frontier Foundation [11:27] DaemonFC Looked it over, didn't see any damage. The car still handles fine. [11:27] DaemonFC They put those stupid curbs everywhere even when there's no reason to. [11:27] DaemonFC In the middle of the road even. [11:28] DaemonFC They think it helps avoid accidents, but then people just go ahead and drive over them anyway, deliberately. [11:28] schestowitz-TR it makes the roads smaller [11:28] DaemonFC I'm glad I didn't blow a tire. [11:28] DaemonFC Fuckers [11:28] DaemonFC I hate living in a city. Everything is so cramped. [11:29] DaemonFC Oh here's an empty state. Quick! Everyone! Pile into 1 county! [11:29] DaemonFC Pay $2,500 for a studio! [11:29] DaemonFC Get shot for your wallet! [11:29] DaemonFC Nowhere to park! [11:29] DaemonFC It'll be FUN! [11:30] DaemonFC If you don't, you're missing out! People GET IT! - Mr. GOOOOOOOOOLAG [11:30] TR News Bailouts for Microsoft https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/we-do-not-need-massive-increase-sanders-criticizes-bidens-813-billion-military see http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/ [11:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/we-do-not-need-massive-increase-sanders-criticizes-bidens-813-billion-military [11:30] TR Bot 'We Do Not Need a Massive Increase': Sanders Criticizes Biden's $813 Billion Military Budget [11:30] TR Bot The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights [11:31] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Looks like John found himself a roommate and moved next to the sound in Seattle. [11:31] DaemonFC My guess is that after they fired him he had to take a lower wage somewhere else. [11:31] DaemonFC Didn't want to leave the area. [11:31] schestowitz-TR Seattle, eh? [11:31] schestowitz-TR do they swap CP? [11:31] DaemonFC Probably. [11:31] schestowitz-TR Rick Allen John [11:32] DaemonFC Well, they've been solving cases the same way around these parts as Rick Jones. [11:32] DaemonFC I saw it in the news the other day. [11:33] DaemonFC They busted a guy in McHenry for CP because an "unnamed Internet Service Provider" reported him to the NCMEC, and they contacted the police department. [11:33] DaemonFC Unnamed ISP could mean anything, but probably Apple or Google. [11:33] DaemonFC They said they found it on his phone. So there's a hint. [11:34] schestowitz-TR maybe he used the phone to hook up witn rich people [11:34] schestowitz-TR rich allen jones [11:34] schestowitz-TR "rich" people... wink wink [11:34] schestowitz-TR touch nose [11:34] DaemonFC Both scour your Clown storage looking for it, and the phones make backups of pictures and videos by default. [11:35] DaemonFC And Apple says they plan to add the scanner "later". [11:35] DaemonFC Of course, they can add it whenever they want. You won't know. [11:35] schestowitz-TR so techrights has lots of work to do [11:35] schestowitz-TR exposing what tech is becoming [11:35] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: rremember that in some countries illegal content is stuff like tibet [11:35] schestowitz-TR or flags of taiwan [11:35] DaemonFC As soon as anything hits your hard drive in Windows, Microsoft knows what it is. [11:35] schestowitz-TR apple bowed down [11:36] DaemonFC That also means they know for sure who is "pirating" software, and which software. [11:36] schestowitz-TR IF [11:36] DaemonFC And since you have to log in with a Microsoft account, they know whose account it is as well. [11:36] schestowitz-TR IF they get their way [11:36] schestowitz-TR if we inform people [11:36] schestowitz-TR then they wioll walk away [11:36] schestowitz-TR china made phones that suppress speech [11:36] schestowitz-TR like, if you criticise the regime [11:36] schestowitz-TR it's turned off in the european market [11:36] schestowitz-TR for now [11:36] DaemonFC mjg59_ is to programmers what the Wagner Group is to Putin. [11:37] DaemonFC But he acts like he does Free Software. [11:37] schestowitz-TR of course "piracy" and CP and "|terrorism" are straw men here [11:37] schestowitz-TR it's about control [11:37] DaemonFC He's a mercenary for the deep state. [11:37] schestowitz-TR and they call you stuff if you express dissent [11:37] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: free software like CCTV 'doorbell' [11:38] schestowitz-TR a CCTV in every home [11:38] schestowitz-TR orwell (blair) called them telescreens? [11:38] DaemonFC "Microsoft is securing the PC" < Motherfucker please! Kiss my ass. They can't even secure their own networks and source code repos. [11:38] DaemonFC You think they're securing your laptop? [11:38] DaemonFC :) [11:39] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [11:39] TR News "Russia's draconian censorship tactics must stop." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/free-press-advocates-demand-end-russian-censorship-last-independent-paper-closes [11:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/free-press-advocates-demand-end-russian-censorship-last-independent-paper-closes [11:39] TR Bot Free Press Advocates Demand End to Russian Censorship as Last Independent Paper Closes [11:40] DaemonFC Now he's microsplogging about the Plutocrat chip that Microsoft and AMD are putting in. [11:41] DaemonFC The only reason these things are there is to create a "protected data path" to help your computer betray you by hiding what it is doing. [11:42] schestowitz-TR yes [11:42] schestowitz-TR Pluton-crat [11:42] schestowitz-TR you pay to borrow [11:42] schestowitz-TR 'your' laptop [11:43] TR News "The lawsuit, filed in the U.S. District Court in San Francisco, seeks records on the current status of the program" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/public-has-right-know-how-dhs-spending-millions-spy-immigrants-social-media [11:43] TR Bot The Public Has a Right to Know How DHS is Spending Millionsto Spy on Immigrants on Social Media | Electronic Frontier Foundation [11:43] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Breed#Housing_and_homelessness [11:43] TR Bot London Breed - Wikipedia [11:44] DaemonFC Breed created a task force of members of the San Francisco Department of Public Works to clean up feces from city sidewalks, known as a Poop Patrol.[53][54] [11:44] DaemonFC :) [11:44] DaemonFC mjg59_, "I love San Francisco!" "People here get it!" [11:44] DaemonFC They get human shit on their shoes. [11:44] DaemonFC And all for the low low cost of triple the national average cost of living. [11:45] DaemonFC https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimdalrympleii/san-francisco-poop-patrol-street-clean-up [11:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: buzzfeednews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jimdalrympleii/san-francisco-poop-patrol-street-clean-up [11:45] TR Bot A "Poop Patrol" Is Going To Start Cleaning Feces Off San Francisco's Filthy Sidewalks [11:45] TR News Patents kill. Because it iis profitable. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/covid-19-vaccine-apartheid-exacerbating-global-inequalities-un [11:45] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/covid-19-vaccine-apartheid-exacerbating-global-inequalities-un [11:45] TR Bot Covid-19 Vaccine Apartheid Is Exacerbating Global Inequalities: UN [11:45] DaemonFC "The scope of the problem is staggering. According to data from the public works department, requests for feces-related steam cleaning have been steadily increasing in recent years, hitting a high of 16,473 in 2017. So far this year, there have already been 9,735 feces-related steamer requests more than the city received during the entirety of 2015." [11:46] DaemonFC That was before COVID. [11:47] DaemonFC 16,473 request tickets filed over individual piles of human shit on the sidewalk in 2017. [11:47] DaemonFC So you know there was more, and this is how many people got on an app and complained about. [11:48] *bnchs (~bnchs@rpt27srzpmtni.irc) has joined #techrights [11:48] bnchs pluton is meant for more control [11:48] bnchs soon the laptops will be thin clients to the "cloud" [11:49] bnchs like chromebooks [11:49] schestowitz-TR so they hope... [11:49] schestowitz-TR so we need to fight back [11:49] schestowitz-TR and maintain demand for real computers [11:49] schestowitz-TR btw [11:49] schestowitz-TR all those thin clients [11:49] schestowitz-TR they run modern gnu/linux distros OK [11:49] schestowitz-TR and have enough storage [11:49] schestowitz-TR so you look at low-cost high-end [11:49] schestowitz-TR just need to make sure you can change/wipe them [11:49] schestowitz-TR the companies try to make it harder [11:50] DaemonFC "The GOOLAG engineer left his $4,500 a month micro-apartment, stepped in a pile of homeless shit, and then made his way to the cafe on the end of his street for $30 bagel and coffee.....'At least I don't live in Indiana!", he said, as if trying to convince himself." [11:50] schestowitz-TR like having to open the device (voiding warrantee) to mess around with screws [11:50] bnchs schestowitz-TR: i like to imagine about the thin client future [11:50] bnchs imagine doing wrongthink [11:50] DaemonFC "On his way back, he got mugged and witnessed yet another attack on an Asian woman..... 'At least it's not Texas!' he said under his breath." [11:50] bnchs and your files gets locked away [11:51] bnchs and OS deleted [11:51] schestowitz-TR wait [11:51] schestowitz-TR imagine? [11:51] schestowitz-TR it happened [11:51] schestowitz-TR many times [11:51] bnchs yeah i know [11:51] schestowitz-TR OS deleted not yet [11:51] bnchs but what if it was a thin client [11:51] schestowitz-TR but that might be next [11:51] schestowitz-TR but the OS is not en enablement tool [11:51] schestowitz-TR better keep it on [11:51] schestowitz-TR to spy on the wrongthinker [11:51] bnchs they can brick your computer and fuck up your data [11:51] DaemonFC "He stepped in shit again, sighed, and filed a steam cleaning request on his app." [11:51] bnchs yeah thats also a pro [11:52] bnchs they can also look at your files [11:52] bnchs without having to sneak malware [11:52] bnchs or bullshit [11:52] schestowitz-TR bnchs: there will be a massive pushback [11:52] schestowitz-TR also, the companies that do this rely on a collapsing economy [11:52] schestowitz-TR and they can go under [11:52] schestowitz-TR like other clown companies did before them [11:52] schestowitz-TR we just need to buy time [11:52] schestowitz-TR and call out the culprits [11:52] bnchs yeah [11:52] schestowitz-TR not in social control media [11:52] schestowitz-TR they control that [11:53] bnchs they're trying to normalize it first [11:53] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Jamie Zawinski checked out the Amazon "feature" that lets you request the data they admit to having on you. [11:53] schestowitz-TR they suppress/censor/hide it [11:53] DaemonFC It's hundreds of ZIP files, with individual links. [11:53] bnchs normalize it first [11:53] bnchs then go with the plan [11:53] schestowitz-TR if they succeed [11:53] schestowitz-TR they lose tons opf money [11:53] DaemonFC And they contain thousands of CSV files. [11:53] schestowitz-TR i think aws is the only one that became profitable [11:53] schestowitz-TR the rest are a bubble [11:53] DaemonFC They've done it in such a way that nobody will bother. [11:54] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, AWS collapses and takes out "half the Web".... [11:54] bnchs schestowitz-TR: someone asked a question for how to find powerful servers [11:54] DaemonFC Much like the rest. [11:54] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: good! [11:54] bnchs for processing data [11:54] schestowitz-TR don't get me excited! [11:54] schestowitz-TR I'm not ready yet [11:54] bnchs and someone answered with "just buy a tablet" [11:54] bnchs "and a VPS/cloud server" [11:54] schestowitz-TR clown server [11:54] schestowitz-TR does it come with elephants and monkeys? [11:55] schestowitz-TR and a lady that walks a tightrope? [11:55] DaemonFC Just buy an iPad and then you too can be stuck watching hours and hours of YouTube commercials because nothing that blocks ads can access it. [11:55] bnchs this is an answer for a question to how to find powerful computers [11:55] schestowitz-TR we'll post many videos and stuff that confront this vision [11:55] schestowitz-TR "every litle helps..." [11:56] bnchs yeah [11:56] bnchs theres disservices like whatsapp [11:57] bnchs that doesnt even let you locally backup [11:57] TR News "U.S. regulatory enforcement and punishment for companies that rip consumers off with sneaky fees is not what youd call consistent." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/dc-ag-sues-grubhub-for-sneaky-fees-screwing-over-local-restaurants/ [11:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/dc-ag-sues-grubhub-for-sneaky-fees-screwing-over-local-restaurants/ [11:57] TR Bot AG Sues Grubhub For Sneaky Fees, Screwing Over Local Restaurants | Techdirt [11:57] bnchs its just backup to the cloud (unencrypted btw) [11:57] bnchs clown* [11:58] TR News Patents kill. Rich sociopaths use the patents to profit from the deaths. https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/global-leaders-urge-nations-eschew-weakened-trips-waiver-proposal [11:58] Alternative link Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/28/global-leaders-urge-nations-eschew-weakened-trips-waiver-proposal [11:58] TR Bot Global Leaders Urge Nations to Eschew 'Weakened' TRIPS Waiver Proposal [11:58] TR News "The proposal looks simple enough. A huge portion of the regulations we all live by (such as fire safety codes, or the national electrical code) are initially written -- by industry experts" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/pro-codes-act-wolf-sheeps-clothing [11:58] TR Bot The Pro Codes Act Is a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing | Electronic Frontier Foundation [11:59] bnchs theres disservices that dont even let you backup locally [11:59] bnchs including iOS [11:59] TR News "It seems that each week another ridiculously unconstitutional content moderation bill pops up in another state. Beyond the fact that nearly all of these bills are preempted by federal law" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/apparently-unwilling-to-learn-from-florida-texass-failures-georgia-moves-forward-with-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/ [11:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/apparently-unwilling-to-learn-from-florida-texass-failures-georgia-moves-forward-with-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/ [11:59] TR Bot Unwilling To Learn From Florida & Texass Failures, Georgia Moves Forward With Unconstitutional Content Moderation Bill | Techdirt [11:59] DaemonFC "San Francisco faces a "challenging street population," Gordon said, adding that officials have rolled out several programs to deal with it. One program, called Pit Stop, has placed 22 staffed public toilets around the city." [11:59] DaemonFC LOL [11:59] DaemonFC Challenging street population. [11:59] DaemonFC That's....wow. [11:59] TR News "The FBI owes its oversight and the public the oversight serves plenty of answers. But lets set our expectations any higher than reality dictates" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/house-judiciary-committee-wants-the-fbi-to-explain-why-it-keeps-targeting-journalists-religious-groups-and-politicians/ [11:59] Alternative link Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/house-judiciary-committee-wants-the-fbi-to-explain-why-it-keeps-targeting-journalists-religious-groups-and-politicians/ [11:59] TR Bot Judiciary Committee Wants The FBI To Explain Why It Keeps Targeting Journalists, Religious Groups, And Politicians | Techdirt ● Mar 29 [12:00] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, San Francisco no longer has homeless. They have a challenging street population. [12:01] schestowitz-TR everyone in SF is a dick [12:01] schestowitz-TR problem solved [12:01] schestowitz-TR and everyone in SF is alsoa pussy [12:01] schestowitz-TR from what I gather, the original SF residents left [12:02] schestowitz-TR the industry wiped out the place [12:02] schestowitz-TR and now you end up with pentagon valley [12:02] schestowitz-TR and people like mozilla's ceo with more than $3,000,000 in annual salary [12:02] schestowitz-TR while the country is over 30 trillion dollars in national debt [12:02] schestowitz-TR not even counting personal debt [12:02] schestowitz-TR it'll collapse like USSR [12:02] schestowitz-TR maybe by 2025 [12:03] schestowitz-TR of course it won't be portrayed as such [12:03] schestowitz-TR as they'd rather walk into wars [12:03] schestowitz-TR meanwhile china is still rising [12:03] schestowitz-TR and the PC I bought is made in China [12:03] schestowitz-TR like my dad said yesterday, a lot of the capital goes to china now [12:03] schestowitz-TR not the US brands [12:03] schestowitz-TR there's a deceit associated with that [12:04] schestowitz-TR china still seems more as it distributes the money among 1.5 billion heads [12:04] schestowitz-TR US is already over [12:04] schestowitz-TR ask most americans how they're doing [12:04] schestowitz-TR they might say they still pay some mortgage [12:04] schestowitz-TR if youi can speak to them [12:04] schestowitz-TR if they live in a van it's harder to reach them [12:04] schestowitz-TR [12:00] schestowitz-TR, San Francisco no longer has homeless. They have a challenging street population. [12:05] schestowitz-TR they became "challenging street population" [12:05] schestowitz-TR in a home that needs gas to move [12:05] schestowitz-TR and gas is expensive, you know [12:05] schestowitz-TR better poop on the pavement [12:05] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Homeless people living in a van have been an issue here and at the motel. [12:05] schestowitz-TR a well known issue here with travellers [12:05] schestowitz-TR "gypsies" [12:05] schestowitz-TR in vans [12:05] DaemonFC I didn't report them to anyone because that would just be kicking a guy while he's down. [12:05] schestowitz-TR they're not ethnic "gypsies" [12:06] schestowitz-TR the term here means trravellers [12:06] schestowitz-TR they leave their poop behind [12:06] DaemonFC It's not like the state of Illinois is going to help them. If anything, they'd take the kids away. [12:06] DaemonFC Put them in some awful foster house. [12:06] schestowitz-TR it's not their fauls [12:06] schestowitz-TR the economy is failing them [12:06] schestowitz-TR but hey [12:07] schestowitz-TR at least unemployement is all-time low ;-) ;-) [12:07] schestowitz-TR "never been better" [12:07] DaemonFC People buy old U-Haul vans and convert them with dining tables and beds and stuff. [12:07] schestowitz-TR see NYSE/NASDAQ [12:07] schestowitz-TR NYSE/NASDAQ makes them smile [12:07] schestowitz-TR when they watch the CRT [12:07] DaemonFC The boob tube. [12:07] schestowitz-TR we don't have food until Friday... but at least NYSE/NASDAQ is up today [12:07] DaemonFC The idiot's lantern. [12:08] schestowitz-TR near manilla some people live in the graveyard [12:08] schestowitz-TR they turn tombs into shacks [12:08] schestowitz-TR and some of them are lucky to have antenna with reception [12:08] schestowitz-TR abs/cbn among the corpses [12:08] schestowitz-TR "look at me now!!" [12:10] DaemonFC https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/641152/why-is-television-called-boob-tube [12:10] Alternative link Cloudflare: mentalfloss.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/641152/why-is-television-called-boob-tube [12:10] TR Bot Why Is TV Called the 'Boob Tube'? [12:10] DaemonFC Today the "vast wasteland" of ads and shit is YouTube. [12:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [12:10] bnchs yeah [12:10] bnchs fewer good content on youtube [12:10] bnchs its just soulless boring videos [12:13] DaemonFC The iPad and iPhone are the 21st century boob tube. [12:13] DaemonFC Same effect. [12:14] DaemonFC People just sitting there decaying, watching an endless procession of ads and horseshit. [12:15] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Mandy was upset that I wasn't cooking larger portions of meat in the slow cooker. I said "It's meant to be served on top of rice. Besides, you hate leftovers and I'm constantly having to nag you to take the rest of it to work, even when you LIKED dinner!" [12:15] DaemonFC He really has gone native. [12:16] DaemonFC "COOK MORE!" Why? "SO IT CAN ROT IN THE FRIDGE! I'LL BE OVER HERE WITH MY IPHONE!" [12:16] bnchs "cook moar" [12:16] bnchs americans really do be like this [12:17] DaemonFC I heard a figure that people waste about $300-600 worth of groceries, per year, per person here. [12:17] DaemonFC Unbelievable. [12:17] DaemonFC They work for 1-2 weeks just to let the food they buy go bad. [12:17] schestowitz-TR [12:10] fewer good content on youtube [12:17] schestowitz-TR remember this: [12:17] schestowitz-TR GOOD content [12:17] schestowitz-TR means [12:17] schestowitz-TR NOT profitable [12:17] schestowitz-TR SHIT means MONEY [12:18] schestowitz-TR Gulag wants to actually profit from all this 'free' hosting [12:18] schestowitz-TR vimeo now charges $10,000 or more [12:18] schestowitz-TR terrible biz mode [12:18] DaemonFC The reason why there's nothing good on, on Netflix or much else, is because good writing and good acting and good production value costs MONEY. [12:18] schestowitz-TR as it's a surprise [12:18] schestowitz-TR they entrapped many firms and people [12:18] DaemonFC If you can fill up your time slots with things that cost little money and draw people in who are susceptible to advertising, you get better returns. [12:19] DaemonFC So that's what you do. [12:19] bnchs its like the creators sold out their soul to sponsors [12:19] DaemonFC Whenever PBS puts some shows on, with rare exception, it's stuff they licensed from foreign public TV networks, like CBC and BBC. [12:20] bnchs sometimes the sponsors have strict rules [12:20] DaemonFC It's because PBS has been picked clean by the Republicans. [12:20] bnchs so it makes the creator selfcensor a ton [12:20] DaemonFC They even had to have HBO bail out Sesame Street. [12:20] DaemonFC Which is the longest running children's show in America, and used to be very educational. [12:20] DaemonFC I mean, they even touched some things that were really heavy for kids, like death. [12:21] DaemonFC When the actor for Mr. Hooper died, they didn't write him off as having moved away or something, the character was dead and they talked about grief and loss. [12:21] bnchs and divorce? [12:22] bnchs DaemonFC: i think thats better [12:22] DaemonFC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuffy's_Parents_Get_a_Divorce [12:22] TR Bot Snuffy's Parents Get a Divorce - Wikipedia [12:22] bnchs its better to tell people that the character died [12:22] DaemonFC "It never aired." [12:22] DaemonFC Yeah, divorce is a problem. [12:22] DaemonFC Adam Ruins Everything tried to portray it as good because it's convenient. [12:23] DaemonFC Anything "convenient" is necessarily "good" now, and that's why society falls apart. One big reason, anyway. [12:23] bnchs lol [12:23] DaemonFC If you don't want to make dinner, nuke some burritos. [12:23] bnchs portaying everyone convenient as good [12:23] bnchs everything* [12:23] DaemonFC If you don't want to stay with the person you had kids with, get a divorce! [12:23] bnchs thats why we have social control media [12:23] bnchs the clown [12:23] DaemonFC Who cares what you fuck up? Who you fuck up! [12:23] DaemonFC Just do whatever you want! [12:23] bnchs and computers with locked bootlosder [12:23] DaemonFC Get on Grindr....stop brushing your teeth. [12:24] DaemonFC It's bad for you, but that's probably months or years away! [12:24] DaemonFC Nothing is "wrong" anymore. [12:24] bnchs the best way to get people using something [12:24] DaemonFC Don't you know that nobody likes a party pooper? [12:24] bnchs is to make it convenient [12:25] schestowitz-TR and [12:25] bnchs nobody wants to make effort [12:25] schestowitz-TR addictive [12:25] schestowitz-TR so they have withdrawal symptoms [12:25] bnchs they only want short-term pleasure [12:25] schestowitz-TR psychological tricks [12:25] DaemonFC Like Mandy. [12:25] schestowitz-TR preying on insecureities [12:25] schestowitz-TR your friends in FB are waiting [12:25] DaemonFC Burying himself in the room, sleeping all day and playing with a phone. [12:25] schestowitz-TR they worry you are a loser [12:25] schestowitz-TR go back there [12:25] schestowitz-TR show them disneyworld pics [12:25] DaemonFC Like, who the fuck cares what happens in a game you tap on and watch ads to "grind"? [12:26] schestowitz-TR fomo is another one [12:26] DaemonFC Who is entertained by this? [12:26] DaemonFC Honestly. [12:26] schestowitz-TR different, but also addiction-based [12:26] schestowitz-TR they hire psych*ists [12:26] schestowitz-TR to learn how to keep the users hooks [12:26] schestowitz-TR or course those -ists were trained to do the OPPOSITE [12:26] schestowitz-TR like get people OFF rhew wagon [12:26] schestowitz-TR FB hires them to get people ON the WAGON and STAY there [12:27] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I doubt Jewel-Osco needs many psychiatrists, but I'm sure they have them. Grocery stores are like anything else, they want to "optimize the business". [12:27] schestowitz-TR [12:25] Burying himself in the room, sleeping all day and playing with a phone. [12:27] DaemonFC But the place is almost worth spending the money because they stock their shelves and clean their stores. Walmart is a disaster. [12:27] schestowitz-TR the important thing is that occasionalyl he leaves [12:27] bnchs schestowitz-TR: they even do deals with ISPs [12:27] schestowitz-TR to work for rich people [12:27] schestowitz-TR (waltonm) [12:27] schestowitz-TR and become a consumer [12:27] bnchs you know [12:27] bnchs free facebook access!* [12:27] schestowitz-TR i.e. use the money from the walton to return it to them [12:27] bnchs *advertisment money [12:28] schestowitz-TR by buying "sweatshop stuff" [12:28] schestowitz-TR which neither creates US joibs [12:28] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, "Feeding the beast that kills you!" [12:28] schestowitz-TR nor gives a fair share to the labour pool [12:28] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: yes [12:28] schestowitz-TR it'a a vicious cycle [12:29] schestowitz-TR that's why rianne and I consume so little [12:29] schestowitz-TR we reckon lowering the tax is one way not to feed the beast [12:29] schestowitz-TR and if the beasts hates you, good [12:29] schestowitz-TR they will try to insult you [12:29] schestowitz-TR laugh at it [12:30] schestowitz-TR [12:27] free facebook access!* [12:30] schestowitz-TR zero-rating [12:30] schestowitz-TR they own you [12:30] DaemonFC Robert Reich (Stallman's favorite....) says "Consumers are flush with cash!". [12:30] schestowitz-TR recih isn't too bad [12:30] DaemonFC The same phrase and wording that appears in dozens or hundreds of places now. [12:30] schestowitz-TR btw, he dated hillary clinton [12:30] schestowitz-TR ages ago [12:30] schestowitz-TR the problem is that he writes for bill's rag now [12:30] schestowitz-TR maybe he likes working for "rich people" [12:31] DaemonFC Most people are not flush with cash. They're unemployed or underemployed. [12:31] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: wait [12:31] DaemonFC My mother is now underemployed thanks to the Catholic Church bungling their budget. [12:31] schestowitz-TR wheck where reichj lives [12:31] schestowitz-TR prob. n ee england [12:31] schestowitz-TR the nicer parts of new england [12:31] schestowitz-TR you cannot hang around boston in a van or tent [12:31] schestowitz-TR far too cold [12:32] DaemonFC Sure you can. [12:32] schestowitz-TR so he might be seeing a fictional version of the country [12:32] DaemonFC People idle their van for head. [12:32] schestowitz-TR "robert, where should I invest my money" [12:32] DaemonFC *heat [12:32] schestowitz-TR robert: "well, there's this mutual fund thing that can furnish your pension" [12:32] schestowitz-TR how many USians truly have a pension? [12:32] DaemonFC Robert Reich just repeats the party line. [12:32] schestowitz-TR with health covered too? [12:32] DaemonFC Low unemployment, consumers flush with cash.... [12:33] schestowitz-TR hahah [12:33] schestowitz-TR yes, like 22 million US millioanures [12:33] DaemonFC He actually thinks that we're seeing demand pull inflation. [12:33] schestowitz-TR which leaves 310 million americans they 'eat' [12:33] DaemonFC He's delusional. [12:33] schestowitz-TR or rent homes to [12:33] schestowitz-TR for money [12:33] schestowitz-TR or for sex [12:33] DaemonFC But then in the same article, he acknowledges that companies raise prices "because they can". [12:33] DaemonFC Which is not inflation. [12:33] schestowitz-TR right [12:33] DaemonFC It's predatory pricing. [12:33] schestowitz-TR it's bingeing [12:34] schestowitz-TR as pointed out elsewhere [12:34] schestowitz-TR it's cartel-like price0fixing [12:34] schestowitz-TR and sleepy is alsee at the wheel [12:34] schestowitz-TR too busy touring poland with nuclear code man [12:34] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The Tyson and Perdue chicken companies settled two major lawsuits recently. [12:34] DaemonFC One, that they were conspiring to charge low prices to chicken growers. [12:34] schestowitz-TR in case he want to launch some nukes at $otherCountry [12:34] DaemonFC Then another one that they were conspiring to gouge customers at the grocery store for the chicken. [12:35] DaemonFC *errr,,, pay low prices to producers, that is. [12:35] schestowitz-TR we only buy discounted [12:35] DaemonFC So they were driving down their costs, and then price fixing at the store. [12:35] DaemonFC To gouge. [12:35] schestowitz-TR or mostly, where mostly means 80% or more [12:35] DaemonFC They made HUGE profit this way. [12:35] schestowitz-TR it's a "life hack" [12:35] schestowitz-TR just need to memorise and adapt (where, when) [12:35] DaemonFC Hillary Clinton has a history with Tyson. [12:36] DaemonFC They were involved in a bribery scandal when Bill was Governor of Arkansas. [12:36] schestowitz-TR energy companies too [12:36] schestowitz-TR they have record profits [12:36] DaemonFC And Walmart. [12:36] schestowitz-TR and they RAISE prices [12:36] schestowitz-TR but Russia "something"... [12:36] DaemonFC Hillary was there when Walmart was under fire for their "Kathy Lee Gifford" collection of handbags, which were made by child slave labor. [12:37] schestowitz-TR Hillary [12:37] schestowitz-TR the date of Robert [12:37] schestowitz-TR Reich [12:37] DaemonFC She was asked in a confirmation hearing once what she ever did for workers at Walmart, and she couldn't name anything. [12:37] schestowitz-TR they want to the movie [12:37] schestowitz-TR he says she asked for CHEESE on her popcorn [12:37] schestowitz-TR bnchs: CHEESE! [12:37] schestowitz-TR on the popcorn! [12:37] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Not many people truly appreciate classic South Park. [12:37] bnchs cheese on the popcorn? [12:37] schestowitz-TR yeah [12:37] bnchs wow [12:37] DaemonFC The Kathy Lee Gifford one and the Mecha Streisand were two of my favorites. [12:37] schestowitz-TR when robert reich and clinton went ona date [12:37] schestowitz-TR he blogged about it [12:38] bnchs americans [12:38] schestowitz-TR not fatty enough [12:38] schestowitz-TR "MOAR CHHHHHHHHHSSEEEE!" [12:38] DaemonFC They went after Hillary too, but by that point it was just stupid. [12:38] DaemonFC They could have really roasted Hillary, but they didn't. The whole episode was about a nuclear weapon in her vagina. [12:38] DaemonFC It was terrible. [12:39] bnchs gotta need my daily unhealthy cholesterol [12:39] bnchs put cheese on everything [12:39] DaemonFC South Park ran its course a long time ago. [12:40] DaemonFC I'm surprised it's even on at all though. [12:40] bnchs was the guy on the intro playing a banjo or a guitar? [12:40] DaemonFC Cancel Culture has been after anything that's even slightly funny. [12:41] DaemonFC And it comes on after The Daily Show, which Trevor Noah took over and ruined. He turned it from satirical comedy to Black Grievance Hour. [12:41] DaemonFC put cheese on everything [12:41] DaemonFC You forgot bacon. I demand a refund. [12:42] DaemonFC And this half pound burger is supposed to be 3/4 of a pound. [12:42] DaemonFC So expect to hear from my attorney! [12:42] DaemonFC Also, I said EXTRA mayo, EXTRA!!!!! [12:42] *darwin (~darwin@7d3n498busjrn.irc) has joined #techrights [12:43] DaemonFC I'm glad there's no Hardee's around here. [12:43] DaemonFC I went downstate to get my COVID shot and I was early and there was a Hardee's next door. [12:44] DaemonFC Next thing I knew, I was eating a 3/4 pound mushroom and swiss burger on sourdough and a large order of fries. [12:44] DaemonFC I don't normally eat things like THAT, but when I do I do. [12:44] schestowitz-TR deep fry the caking frosting [12:45] schestowitz-TR *cake [12:45] DaemonFC They have a Culver's here, but it's like second mortgage on your house to eat there. [12:45] DaemonFC deep fry the caking frosting [12:45] DaemonFC Oh I know. My mom and brother have eating habits that's just junk junk junk all the time, every day. [12:45] DaemonFC Enough salt for three days in one day's worth of food. [12:46] DaemonFC Butter on everything. [12:46] bnchs deep fry the cheese [12:46] schestowitz-TR with toffee on it [12:46] bnchs deep fry the butter on the cheese on the bacon on the BURGER [12:46] DaemonFC And she's like "Why are you using reduced sodium broth and canned soups in the slow cooker?". [12:46] DaemonFC I said, "Because I don't want my heart to explode in my face.". [12:47] bnchs lol [12:47] bnchs why are you using reduced sodium [12:47] bnchs you need to go ALL OR NOTHING [12:47] DaemonFC You know what she said? [12:47] DaemonFC "Now that you're on blood pressure meds, you can just go back to using the regular version.". [12:48] DaemonFC I said, "I wasn't trying to undo the meds and go on double the dose!". [12:48] TR News Links 28/03/2022: Microsoft Suspends Site of GNU/Linux Distro PuppyLinux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/microsoft-suspends-puppylinux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/microsoft-suspends-puppylinux/ [12:48] TR Bot Links 28/03/2022: Microsoft Suspends Site of GNU/Linux Distro PuppyLinux | Techrights [12:48] bnchs im on insulin [12:49] bnchs time to indulge on cake [12:49] DaemonFC MOAR INSULIN! [12:49] TR News Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163102 [12:49] TR Bot Open Hardware/Modding Leftovers | Tux Machines [12:49] DaemonFC Well, at a certain age, that's generally what doctors say anyway. [12:49] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163103 [12:49] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [12:49] DaemonFC Like, "Just give her the Pepsi. She's 97 and we'll cover it with more insulin.". [12:49] DaemonFC And that makes sense, when someone is 97 and could go at any moment. [12:49] bnchs dude just give her everything [12:50] bnchs we'll give her more meds [12:50] schestowitz-TR "she will be sent packiung" [12:50] bnchs because fuck eatig healthy [12:50] DaemonFC But you have people like my family, where most are diabetics in their 30s. [12:50] DaemonFC Because they drink soda like a baby bottle, and it's a 2 liter bottle. [12:50] schestowitz-TR bnchs: dietary viagra [12:50] schestowitz-TR or butchering [12:50] bnchs daemonfc: jesus [12:51] schestowitz-TR what I call "plastic" "surgery" [12:51] DaemonFC You should NOT be a diabetic in your 30s unless it's a genetic defect or something. [12:51] DaemonFC You just shouldn't. [12:51] bnchs thats like uhhh [12:51] bnchs 220 grams of sugar [12:51] schestowitz-TR wow [12:51] schestowitz-TR imagine that on a table [12:51] schestowitz-TR it's like a small bowl [12:52] schestowitz-TR so 11% sugars [12:52] schestowitz-TR put some cheese in it [12:52] schestowitz-TR it lacks fats [12:52] bnchs and 840 calories on that pepsi alone [12:53] bnchs its only the matter of the rest of the food [12:55] DaemonFC I don't drink much soda. [12:55] DaemonFC Very occasionally. [12:55] DaemonFC Like, maybe if it's my birthday or something and I'm at a restaurant. [12:55] schestowitz-TR i don't always drink soda, but when I do, there's cheese in it! [12:55] DaemonFC Bacon-flavored soda. [12:55] DaemonFC Seen it. [12:56] schestowitz-TR is it halal? [12:56] DaemonFC I just drink lemon water or something. [12:56] schestowitz-TR tea, water, lemon [12:56] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I don't know. Probably. They use chemicals to flavor stuff. [12:56] schestowitz-TR or coffee, water, milk/soy [12:57] DaemonFC I'm making halal chicken tonight. [12:57] schestowitz-TR that's like 5-10 cents a cup [12:57] DaemonFC Got some on markdown and froze it. [12:57] schestowitz-TR in SF 5-10 dollars [12:57] schestowitz-TR in SF you get better value for it, like sitting on a sofa with thousands of unknown farts and covid variants [12:57] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Seen the bacon-dipped bullets? [12:57] bnchs schestowitz-TR: i've seen people put cheese in noodles [12:58] DaemonFC Bullets dipped in bacon grease. [12:58] schestowitz-TR and ceilings that seem incomplete [12:58] DaemonFC They say they're anti-Muslim bullets. [12:58] schestowitz-TR with air shafts in them [12:58] bnchs cheese in fucking noodles [12:58] schestowitz-TR "it's in style now" [12:58] DaemonFC cheese in fucking noodles [12:58] bnchs maybe put some bacon in noodles [12:58] DaemonFC I make macaroni and cheese sometimes. [12:58] DaemonFC But I put spinach in mine. [12:58] DaemonFC Mandy will eat almost any vegetable as long as it's cooked. [12:59] schestowitz-TR some people still wear sneakers with lights [12:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 33.18 k/sec., IPFS upstream 75.93 average k/sec., average swarm size 467.93 [12:59] DaemonFC So I sneak in fruits and vegetables on him that way. [12:59] bnchs as long as it's deep fryed* [12:59] schestowitz-TR or drive cars with flourescent lighting UNDER the car [12:59] DaemonFC or drive cars with flourescent lighting UNDER the car [12:59] DaemonFC Good way to get pulled over. [12:59] bnchs schestowitz-TR: thats what they call glowies? [12:59] DaemonFC Draw the cop's attention to YOU. [12:59] bnchs glowing agentd [12:59] schestowitz-TR "ta ta DUM!! ● Mar 29 [13:00] bnchs agents* [13:01] DaemonFC The only fried vegetable I can't get enough of is okra. [13:01] DaemonFC And you make that in a cast iron skillet, not a deep fryer. [13:02] DaemonFC Good with ketchup. [13:02] DaemonFC I get the ketchup with 50% less sugar and salt. [13:02] DaemonFC I'm not really trying to avoid sugar, but I am trying to avoid salt. [13:03] schestowitz-TR what % of today's ketchup is tomatoes? [13:03] schestowitz-TR also, are brands like heinz more or less actyal veg? [13:03] DaemonFC Good question. The 50% less sugar actually has sugar though. [13:03] schestowitz-TR some of the cheap ones feel entirely artificial [13:03] DaemonFC The normal ketchup has High Fructose Corn Syrup. [13:03] DaemonFC Maybe our resident failed biologist can explain why HFCS isn't bad. [13:03] schestowitz-TR let me check our fridge [13:04] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:04] DaemonFC HFCS makes no sense. The only reasons they use it in most stuff here is because of corn subsidies and sugar tariffs. [13:05] schestowitz-TR ok, it says 174grams of tomato per 100 gram of "finished product" [13:05] schestowitz-TR so after the water is removed [13:05] schestowitz-TR a 500gram bottle of tube of it can be 800 grams of actual veg [13:06] schestowitz-TR and assuming you have just 20 grams per seving [13:06] schestowitz-TR that's like 30 grams raw tomato [13:06] schestowitz-TR which is barely a bite [13:06] schestowitz-TR i mean a bite of the actual vegetable [13:07] *bnchs (~bnchs@e9zanvfwvth2e.irc) has joined #techrights [13:08] schestowitz-TR they should call it "sugarsalt sauce" [13:10] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:10] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, You can make ketchup yourself cheaper. [13:11] DaemonFC My great grandmother did it even well after there were cheap store-bought ketchups on the market. [13:11] DaemonFC I've made ketchup before. In fact, I may do it again. [13:11] schestowitz (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D544.jpg [13:11] schestowitz (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D186.jpg [13:11] DaemonFC I bought a lot of tomato sauce and paste at Aldi at one point and to use some of it up, I might make some ketchup out of it. [13:12] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@e56aqnyrpnfiu.irc) has joined #techrights [13:12] DaemonFC Of course without preservatives, you kind of have to limit yourself as to how much to make at one time. [13:12] *bnchs (~bnchs@8b8mc3wmjugic.irc) has joined #techrights [13:13] DaemonFC One reason there is so much salt in the store-bought crap is because they're trying to preserve it. [13:13] DaemonFC And bacteria doesn't thrive as well in salt solutions. [13:13] bnchs i used to eat sweetened condensed milk [13:13] TR News "I was using the cheapest, nastiest Microsoft Mouse I've seen in true Microsoft Fashion it's called Microsoft Wired Basic USB Optical Mouse for Business. It's flimsy and just like a real mouse, squeaks if you squeeze it too hard." gemini://shit.cx/tech/devenv/2022-03-28-microsoft-pro-intellimouse/ [13:13] bnchs it was like diabetes in a can [13:14] TR News I am considering making an RSS feed by hand, and even a Gemlog index by hand, on my flounder.online page, replacing the link to the problematic flounder's Atom feed." gemini://g.mikf.pl/gemlog/2022-03-28-feeds.gmi [13:14] DaemonFC But processed foods generally have so much salt in them you can take out a quarter to half of it and the taste doesn't change very much. [13:14] bnchs i think i dont need to tell you how much sugar it had in one can [13:14] DaemonFC Reduced sodium (by 25%) luncheon meat (Walmart's Great Value) tastes almost identical to the one with more salt. [13:14] TR News "Some time ago, I mentioned my plans to write a review for the Librem 5. I still have that planned, but I did want to talk about one specific aspect of it now: usage flexibility." gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-03-28-librem-5-flexibility.gmi [13:15] DaemonFC Mom always assumed when I made something out of spam it would be gross, and wouldn't eat it. [13:15] schestowitz-TR [13:13] i used to eat sweetened condensed milk [13:15] schestowitz-TR rianne loves that [13:15] schestowitz-TR with white pastries [13:15] DaemonFC Now she eats it because some idiot on YouTube was talking about how they're preppers and have like 500 cans in their garage. :/ [13:15] bnchs it was straight from the can [13:15] DaemonFC Sounds like grandma. [13:15] schestowitz-TR it's seweet like mad [13:15] schestowitz-TR if you do not dilute it [13:16] DaemonFC Bulging oozing cans. [13:16] DaemonFC Puts them in her car and comes over. "Now there's nothing wrong with these!". [13:16] DaemonFC :) [13:16] schestowitz-TR it slows down the car [13:16] bnchs schestowitz-TR didnt dilute it [13:16] schestowitz-TR or wastes fuel [13:17] DaemonFC She dropped them off with mom and Gonad. [13:17] DaemonFC Then when she left they dumped them in the trash. [13:17] TR News Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163104 [13:17] TR Bot Today in Techrights | Tux Machines [13:17] DaemonFC It's dangerous to even open the can at that point. [13:17] DaemonFC Just toss it. [13:18] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I told you Gonad broke his toe on some sugar that had hardened under Grandma's bed when they were over there helping her rearrange some things. [13:19] DaemonFC My brother found a can of Spaghetti-Os in grandma's garage that expired in the 1970s. [13:19] schestowitz-TR this is like elaine in seinfeld [13:20] schestowitz-TR try to eat it [13:20] schestowitz-TR see what happens [13:20] bnchs lol [13:20] bnchs it might be still good [13:20] schestowitz-TR yeah [13:20] bnchs what could possibly happen [13:20] schestowitz-TR like schrooooms [13:20] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1O9_RVik_Q [13:20] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=F1O9_RVik_Q [13:20] TR Bot yewtu.be | Down Perisocope XO Pascal bullies Buckman for a disorderly Galley - Invidious [13:21] schestowitz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naVyR6KlkWI [13:21] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=naVyR6KlkWI [13:21] TR Bot yewtu.be | Elaine eats the cake - Invidious [13:29] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [13:34] DaemonFC "I feel like I need a Tetanus shot just looking at it. The only thing holding it together are the bird droppings." Down Periscope.... :P [13:34] DaemonFC That's kind of describing my car too. [13:36] DaemonFC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A [13:36] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A [13:36] TR Bot yewtu.be | Reagan tells Soviet jokes - Invidious [13:37] DaemonFC "There's a 10 year wait on an automobile in the Soviet Union and you have to put up a lot of money when you buy, and only one in seven families there owns one.". [13:37] DaemonFC That's how the United States is getting under Biden. [13:37] DaemonFC Pretty soon nobody will even be able to get to work because there will be no repair parts for their car and a new one has doubled in price. [13:37] matey what could possibly happen <- even if it didnt kill you, youd still be begging for death [13:40] DaemonFC "So a guy goes in to buy a car and puts down his money and the guy behind the counter says 'Okay, come back in ten years and get your car.'. So the guy asks, 'Morning or afternoon?'. The guy behind the counter says, 'It's ten years from now, so what difference does it make?', and the guy says, 'Well, the plumber's coming in the morning.'". [13:40] *bnchs (~bnchs@s5tr7pn53wdw4.irc) has joined #techrights [13:40] bnchs https://files.catbox.moe/wi532d.png [13:40] TR Bot connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/wi532d.png ) [13:42] bnchs oh we use microsoft ads [13:42] bnchs but dont worry, microsoft doesnt collect and sell your data [13:42] TR News Reminder: DuckDuckGo is just Microsoft criminals... by proxy https://files.catbox.moe/wi532d.png more details in http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo [13:42] TR Bot DuckDuckGo - Techrights [13:43] schestowitz-TR Gab is a Microaoft shill [13:43] schestowitz-TR it's Microsoft painting itself as privacy [13:43] schestowitz-TR while trash-talking Gulag [13:43] schestowitz-TR I am angered when I see FS browser defaulting to Microsof [13:43] schestowitz-TR even some distros [13:44] schestowitz-TR as if DDG is "good" [13:44] schestowitz-TR because... Microsoft [13:44] schestowitz-TR people choose gnu/linux to get AWAY from Microsoft [13:45] bnchs i never realized ddg was hosted on microsoft azure [13:45] bnchs and used microsoft's ad network [13:45] bnchs and used microsoft bing [13:45] bnchs too good to be true [13:49] matey people choose gnu/linux to get AWAY from Microsoft <- not anymore [13:49] matey it would be nice if you could get away from microsoft with the choice of gnu/linux [13:50] matey they are in your linux kernel (waiting to add rust too) [13:50] matey and theyre in gnu [13:50] matey and theyre in the applications [13:50] matey why not get into your search results? [13:51] matey but roy is funny, he says they dont have a way to make money. i didnt know he was a libertarian "trust the invisible hand!" [13:51] bnchs rust is too unstable [13:51] matey the invisible hand sure gives us the visible finger a lot. [13:52] matey rust is too unstable <- that of course is why they want it there [13:52] bnchs you dont see windows kernel written in rust [13:52] bnchs in fact maidadans says linux is bad because memory unsafe language [13:52] bnchs but he doesnt say the same thing about windows NT [13:52] bnchs which is written in C [13:53] matey the windows kernel is unstable enough, its only held together with the bird droppings from daemonfcs can of spaghettios from the 1970s [13:53] matey in fact maidadans says linux is bad because memory unsafe language <- sounds like hes in a cult [13:53] matey "dont look at programs written in c, theyll make your palms hairy and give you cancer!" [13:54] matey which is written in <- i would have thought nt was written in c++, but i wouldnt be surprised if it was both [13:55] bnchs no [13:55] bnchs i think the kernel is written in C [13:55] bnchs and most of the other crap in c++ [13:55] matey spaghettiOS [13:55] matey now with rust kernel [13:56] matey they really should rename windows spaghettiOS [13:56] matey like they call internet exploiter "edge" now [13:56] bnchs he encourages the use of windows [13:57] bnchs even though its written in a memory unsafe language [13:57] matey he encourages the use of windows <- hes probably an idiot ● Mar 29 [14:00] *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) [14:02] *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights [14:05] *activelow has quit (connection closed) [14:05] *activelow (~activelow@925vru5petmta.irc) has joined #techrights [14:05] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [14:07] matey "Windows NT is written in C and C++, with a very small amount written in assembly language. C is mostly used for the kernel code while C++ is mostly used for user-mode code." [14:08] schestowitz-TR they reject their own frameworks [14:08] schestowitz-TR as usual [14:08] schestowitz-TR microsoft: use c# [14:09] schestowitz-TR unlike us [14:09] schestowitz-TR c# is good, honest! [14:09] schestowitz-TR just not for this... or that... or this [14:09] matey its good for a laugh [14:10] schestowitz-TR it's aother fad [14:10] schestowitz-TR #c [14:10] schestowitz-TR hastags [14:10] schestowitz-TR c# [14:10] matey #C# [14:10] schestowitz-TR social control media will be like mysapce in 5-10 years [14:10] schestowitz-TR sometimes most people stopped bothering with [14:10] schestowitz-TR the new usenet [14:10] schestowitz-TR *something [14:11] schestowitz-TR now those platforms "borrow time" from celebs [14:11] schestowitz-TR and politicanns and atheletes [14:11] schestowitz-TR amplifying them [14:11] schestowitz-TR to make it seem like those platfforms are still very biug [14:11] schestowitz-TR by concentrating all the active users in very few place [14:11] schestowitz-TR football clubs, combative politics, sex... [14:15] matey puppylinux.com was a ddos attack [14:15] matey "the host" shut it down to respond to the attack [14:15] schestowitz-TR so microsoft shut the account down? [14:15] schestowitz-TR hahaha [14:15] schestowitz-TR well done, microsoft [14:15] schestowitz-TR we handled the ddos [14:15] schestowitz-TR no domain [14:15] schestowitz-TR no issues [14:15] schestowitz-TR see? solved. [14:16] schestowitz-TR matey: my tumour is gone [14:16] schestowitz-TR I removed the leg [14:16] matey "shoot the hostage, take them out of the equation"-- keanu reaves, speed [14:16] schestowitz-TR anyway, they shut down the domain without consulting the owner [14:17] schestowitz-TR beausee, you knoiw [14:17] schestowitz-TR microsoft has no resources [14:17] schestowitz-TR like staff that contacts people [14:17] schestowitz-TR or servers [14:17] schestowitz-TR or firewalls [14:17] schestowitz-TR it's cheaper [14:17] schestowitz-TR chop off the whole leg [14:17] schestowitz-TR to spite the toe [14:17] matey "The host suspended puppylinux.com without any notification or explanation. If that seems a bit rude, yes, it is. A decent host provider should give an explanation." -- barry [14:17] schestowitz-TR microsoft loves linux... OFFLINE [14:18] schestowitz-TR the first host we had [14:18] schestowitz-TR as boycottnovell.com [14:18] schestowitz-TR ssupended [sic] the account [14:18] schestowitz-TR but told us first [14:18] matey erik (who maintains the forum) later told barry about the reply he got to the support ticket "We have a serious problem of DDOS attack. I noticed this but hoped it wasn't so. The host shut us down and I am fighting to get us back up " [14:18] schestowitz-TR due to ddos [14:18] schestowitz-TR it was shared hosting [14:18] schestowitz-TR not microsoft [14:19] schestowitz-TR they had limited resources [14:19] schestowitz-TR "the host" [14:19] schestowitz-TR Microsoft [14:19] schestowitz-TR the nameless host [14:19] schestowitz-TR imho, they are shy to name it [14:19] schestowitz-TR even barry [14:19] schestowitz-TR as people might respond [14:19] schestowitz-TR "wait, WHAT?" [14:20] schestowitz-TR download puppy from microsoft [14:20] schestowitz-TR another microsoft distro? [14:20] schestowitz-TR one it had running by unpaid volunteers? [14:21] TR News KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS Released with More Plasma Wayland Improvements, Other Fixes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163105 [14:21] TR Bot KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS Released with More Plasma Wayland Improvements, Other Fixes | Tux Machines [14:22] matey i think most people that still use puppy have accepted where it comes from [14:23] schestowitz-TR from the same place "protestware" comes from [14:23] schestowitz-TR same company [14:23] schestowitz-TR new name for malware [14:23] schestowitz-TR "protestware" [14:23] schestowitz-TR sent to you by microsoft [14:23] schestowitz-TR but blame "open source" [14:23] schestowitz-TR tells us microsoft- and gates-funded media [14:23] matey they proably see microsoft as the victim in that instance [14:23] schestowitz-TR INCLUDING SJVN [14:23] schestowitz-TR SJ f'ing N [14:23] matey being forced to host malware against their will! [14:24] schestowitz-TR yeah [14:24] schestowitz-TR and not checking what it sends [14:24] schestowitz-TR that's expensive [14:24] *inky (~inky@178.78.152.168) has joined #techrights [14:24] schestowitz-TR it means checking what you ship [14:24] matey what sucks the most is [14:24] schestowitz-TR like wordpress used to do and probably still does [14:24] matey theres no longer a group of people that knows better [14:24] schestowitz-TR the media is a circus [14:24] schestowitz-TR a circus with clown [14:24] matey theres no longer a haven from this madness [14:24] schestowitz-TR where smart means drones [14:25] schestowitz-TR fbi has issues a report about russian protestware [14:25] schestowitz-TR it's protesting against the US power grid [14:25] schestowitz-TR it can delete files and stuff [14:25] schestowitz-TR to protest [14:25] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [14:25] schestowitz-TR FBI ordered pizza for the protesters in moscow [14:26] schestowitz-TR US and Israel wrote protestware Stucnet [14:26] schestowitz-TR they muck about with nuclear weapons [14:26] schestowitz-TR it's a form of protest [14:27] schestowitz-TR hospitals in the UK were protested against [14:27] matey israel protests palestinian homes with bulldozers [14:27] schestowitz-TR with shadow broker tools [14:27] schestowitz-TR some east asian protested against british hospital treating ill patients [14:28] schestowitz-TR matey: putin is protesting against natoi [14:28] schestowitz-TR by shelling schools [14:28] schestowitz-TR one person's terrorist is another person freedom protester [14:28] schestowitz-TR 18 terrorists protested US occupation in the middle east [14:29] schestowitz-TR they protested with planes [14:29] schestowitz-TR snakes on a plane [14:29] schestowitz-TR with box cutters [14:29] schestowitz-TR hitler "protested" against the bolsheviks [14:29] schestowitz-TR brandon was a well-meaning porotesters [14:29] matey stalin protested against them too [14:29] schestowitz-TR he deleted millions of files [14:30] schestowitz-TR but they were of ordinary russians [14:30] schestowitz-TR "good one, brandon, LOL" [14:30] matey is windows protestware? [14:30] matey theyre protesting the fact that competitors exist [14:31] TR News ICBM pushing complexity drugs again https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/3-reasons-containers-essential-midsize-organizations [14:31] TR Bot Kubernetes: 3 reasons containers are becoming essential for midsize organizations | The Enterprisers Project [14:31] matey by screwing up the computers of ordinary users [14:31] matey "i ran a scan of my computer and found out someone had installed windows on it" [14:31] matey "probably the russians" [14:32] TR News ICBM perpetuating the "worker shortage MYTH": "You probably already know some of the top challenges that IT leaders will face in 2022 finding (and retaining) top talent, keeping up with security challenges, and managing remote teams." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/it-leadership-4-ways-tackle-your-flaws [14:32] TR Bot IT leadership: 4 ways to tackle your flaws | The Enterprisers Project [14:32] matey but yeah, as far as trusting microsoft goes [14:32] matey pretty much everyone does now [14:32] schestowitz-TR I need to download anti-protest software [14:33] schestowitz-TR I herad microsoft ships lots of "protests" [14:33] schestowitz-TR through shithub and npm [14:33] matey protesthub [14:33] matey /me thinks protesthub protests too much [14:33] schestowitz-TR sounds like a video site [14:33] schestowitz-TR with "rich people" [14:34] schestowitz-TR rick (allen jones) people [14:34] schestowitz-TR rick has a big stash [14:34] schestowitz-TR no need for gmail, he can start a hosting company with bill and jeff [14:34] schestowitz-TR and other rich people [14:34] matey call it bing, inc [14:35] schestowitz-TR ah yes [14:35] schestowitz-TR he has competiton already [14:36] schestowitz https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-microsofts-bing-serves-up-recommends-child-porn [14:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: pcmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-microsofts-bing-serves-up-recommends-child-porn [14:36] TR Bot Microsoft's Bing Serves Up, Recommends Child Porn | PCMag [14:36] schestowitz https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/10/unsafe-search/ https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-bing-child-porn-problem-report-2019-1 [14:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/10/unsafe-search/ [14:36] Alternative link Cloudflare: businessinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-bing-child-porn-problem-report-2019-1 [14:36] TR Bot Bing not only shows child sexual abuse, it suggests it TechCrunch [14:36] TR Bot Microsoft's Bing Had a Child Porn Problem: Report [14:37] matey "customers who viewed this also liked..." [14:37] schestowitz life imitates art - billg [14:37] schestowitz https://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-bing-search-engine-served-up-child-porn-report-says/ [14:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-bing-search-engine-served-up-child-porn-report-says/ [14:37] TR Bot Bing search engine served up child porn, report says - CNET [14:37] schestowitz https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-refuses-to-answer-key-questions-about-child-p-1831655413 [14:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: gizmodo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-refuses-to-answer-key-questions-about-child-p-1831655413 [14:37] TR Bot Microsoft Refuses to Answer Key Questions About Child Porn in Bing's Search Results [14:38] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2019/01/12/linspyware/ [14:38] TR Bot Linspire Reborn is Still Working for Microsoft and Facilitating Surveillance on GNU/Linux Users | Techrights [14:39] matey another gnu project admin that still trusts microsoft in 2022 https://github.com/agordon [14:39] TR Bot (A. Gordon) GitHub [14:39] matey im telling you, gnu developers dont care. [14:40] matey thats one of the admins of gnu sed [14:40] matey you know, the "linux command" [14:40] matey the other is jim meyering [14:40] matey to be fair, assaf cares a LITTLE [14:40] matey his mirrors of sed and datamash are readonly. [14:41] matey but thats not all hes using github for [14:41] TR News "This article covers the highlights of the C++ standardization proposals before the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) committee's Core and Evolution Working Groups last year. Read on to find out what's coming in C++23." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/29/c-standardization-core-language-progress-2021 [14:41] TR Bot C++ standardization (core language) progress in 2021 | Red Hat Developer [14:41] matey everyone works for microsoft [14:41] matey everyone trusts microsoft [14:41] MinceR (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zgs4ztse2w [14:41] TR Bot https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3Zgs4ztse2w [14:41] TR Bot yewtu.be | Tabby cat missed me so much, she was so happy to see me again - Invidious [14:41] TR News "Rate limiting is a popular technique to protect services from excessive demand. For example, you can use this strategy to limit how often a user can enter or reset their password." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/29/develop-basic-rate-limiter-quarkus-and-redis [14:41] TR Bot Develop a basic rate limiter with Quarkus and Redis | Red Hat Developer [14:42] matey 118 contributions in the past year. 95 repositories [14:42] schestowitz-TR Microsoft loves children [14:42] matey self-destruction reigns in the free software movement [14:42] psydruid Microsoft is trust [14:42] schestowitz-TR everybody loves raymond [14:43] schestowitz-TR psydruid: also secure [14:43] schestowitz-TR like secure boot [14:43] schestowitz-TR if NSA says it's OK to boot, then boot [14:43] matey unless theres a ddos [14:43] matey then shut it down [14:43] TR News #HowTo Install Angular Js on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163106 [14:43] TR Bot How to Install Angular Js on Linux | Tux Machines [14:43] matey i wonder what happens (i have no such ambitions) if you ddos a github project [14:43] matey do they suspend it too? [14:44] schestowitz-TR shutting it down solves the issue [14:44] schestowitz-TR the customer ceases to exist [14:44] schestowitz-TR "off the books' [14:44] matey slitaz moved to github to get away from a ddos lasting months [14:44] matey they finally left (github) again, but thats incredibly rare [14:44] matey moving there then away [14:44] psydruid the hardware world needs to go through the same change the software world went through [14:45] matey psydruid: yes [14:45] psydruid just don't expect the incumbent behemoths to simply accept this [14:45] matey of course not [14:45] TR News Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163107 [14:45] TR Bot Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 | Tux Machines [14:46] matey what we are seeing now is just how much capitalism hates people trying to become even a little autonomous [14:46] schestowitz-TR it's not like capitalism is a person [14:47] schestowitz-TR or a company [14:47] schestowitz-TR it's a framework [14:47] schestowitz-TR system with actors [14:47] matey no, capitalism isnt a person-- its a whole bunch of rich and powerful arseholes. [14:47] schestowitz-TR so they're creating certain conditions [14:47] schestowitz-TR like conditioning people to have kids [14:47] schestowitz-TR that produces more consumers [14:47] schestowitz-TR otherwise you have a japan [14:47] schestowitz-TR or singapoure/korea [14:47] schestowitz-TR where you have to really push hard to get people to replicate [14:48] matey thats funny [14:48] schestowitz-TR oversupply of people also lowers salaries [14:48] matey in most places all you have to do to push to get someone to replicate is... well... [14:48] schestowitz-TR keep enough of them unemployed [14:48] schestowitz-TR and then they'd work for anything [14:50] *techrights_guest|58 (~6cfaeef5@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [14:50] *techrights_guest|58 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [14:50] matey so something like half (maybe less than half) of the gnu project admins work for microsoft [14:51] matey but theyre still not keen on moving the gnu project there [14:51] matey most of them at least [14:51] matey but if its not gnu, fuck it, sure, use github, why not [14:51] matey somehow they get that its bad to put gnu there-- but not that its bad for anything else [14:51] matey theyve compartmentalised it [14:52] schestowitz-TR bribery is inclusive of diversity and inclusion [14:52] schestowitz-TR we must be inclusive of microsoft [14:52] schestowitz-TR CoC is compatible with crimes [14:52] schestowitz-TR and corruption [14:52] matey its not a bribe, its a contribution to free software [14:52] schestowitz-TR just be polite and professional about it [14:52] schestowitz-TR and don't murder the wife like hans reiser did [14:52] matey the fact that it puts free software in a worse position is just an unfortunate side effect [14:52] schestowitz-TR there MIGHT be something in the CoC [14:52] schestowitz-TR about murdering the wife [14:52] schestowitz-TR MIGHT [14:52] matey completely unanticipated [14:53] matey there was always an unwritten coc about murdering your wife [14:53] matey most people have no problem with that rule [14:53] schestowitz-TR what abpit bribery? [14:53] schestowitz-TR would microsoft object to such a coc? [14:53] matey if you murder your wife, people tend to lose interest in your filesystem and find an alternative [14:54] schestowitz-TR would it... BRIBE... to undermine such coc proposal? [14:54] matey its not a hard rule, but its what typically happens [14:54] schestowitz-TR because that would mean all microsoft employees get banned from ALL major projects [14:54] matey because that would mean all microsoft employees get banned from ALL major projects <- to dare to dream [14:55] matey scientology is a cult-- the only country i know of that recognises this formally is germany [14:55] matey microsoft is also a cult-- the fsf does not even recognise it as such [14:56] matey i think its a bit dangerous for entire countries to decide what is and isnt a cult [14:56] matey but i also think its a bit dangerous for the fsf to not recognise what theyre dealing with [14:57] matey and by a bit dangerous i mean it will be their undoing (if it hasnt already) [14:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 63.25 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.63 average k/sec., average swarm size 212.36 [14:59] matey kuhn may or may not realise it but hes going to push for a code of ethics in software projects [14:59] matey so instead of corporations just imposing their cultural norms onto free software [14:59] matey theyll be imposing their "ethical standards" too ● Mar 29 [15:00] matey the only truly free software left will be whatever runs the fuck away from this shit [15:00] TR News Techrights Has Some Solid Plans, But Preparations Are Underway | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/techrights-preparations-underway/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/techrights-preparations-underway/ [15:00] TR Bot Techrights Has Some Solid Plans, But Preparations Are Underway | Techrights [15:00] matey and the gnu project will be hard-pressed to accept a code of ethics [15:01] schestowitz-TR gnu rejected coc [15:01] schestowitz-TR it did the kind comms thing [15:01] schestowitz-TR but never a coc [15:01] matey yes and went with coc lite [15:01] matey which wasnt entirely stupid [15:01] schestowitz-TR rms wasn't senile at the time [15:01] schestowitz-TR and he pushed back [15:02] schestowitz-TR lots of stuff in stallman.org likely violates a template coc [15:02] matey im trying to think of what they might call the ethical equivalent of the kind guidelines [15:02] schestowitz-TR and rms wants to still protects free speech [15:02] matey but then again, the board already has a code of ethics, so :) [15:02] schestowitz-TR even if you're a raving hater like esr [15:02] matey theyve already capitulated [15:02] matey oh, your position on esr is one i wish i understood [15:02] matey i have no idea what it is [15:03] matey a raving hater of whom? [15:03] schestowitz-TR leftists [15:03] schestowitz-TR esr has every right to speak [15:03] matey sure [15:03] schestowitz-TR but not encourage violence [15:03] schestowitz-TR but I don't have to agree or respect what he says [15:03] matey of course [15:04] matey you have as much right to disagree as he does to speak [15:04] schestowitz-TR some people think esr should be deploatformed [15:04] schestowitz-TR one of them gets over $3,000,000 [15:04] matey deplatformed from what? [15:04] schestowitz-TR and lives in Bay Area [15:04] schestowitz-TR sipping latte with a decade of two she has left to live [15:04] matey is he a youtuber? facebooker? githubber? [15:04] schestowitz-TR sociopaths on their high thrones [15:04] schestowitz-TR talking down people whose difficulties they fail to grasp [15:05] schestowitz-TR btw, esr is in a bad place financially, which is connected to his health [15:05] matey i never see the esr these people talk about-- probably because i pay no attention to esr [15:05] matey sure so he will be deplatformed by obesity i guess [15:05] schestowitz-TR morbid [15:06] matey hes craig mundies worst nightmare though [15:06] schestowitz-TR haha [15:06] schestowitz-TR h met him once [15:06] schestowitz-TR for 10 seconds [15:06] matey /me tsks [15:06] schestowitz-TR in side the lift [15:06] schestowitz-TR us: elevator [15:06] matey yep [15:06] *includeals has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:07] matey i always think of that quote [15:07] schestowitz-TR where is craug now? [15:07] matey when i think of what open source has become [15:07] schestowitz-TR still delivering anti-gpl talks in unis? [15:07] matey where is craug now? <- at a guess, doing better than esr [15:07] matey maybe working or github, who knows [15:07] schestowitz-TR meeting rich people [15:07] matey raig James Mundie is Senior Advisor to the CEO at Microsoft and its former Chief Research and Strategy Officer. More at "Wikipedia" [15:07] matey not was, is [15:08] matey id rather that esr was right of course [15:08] matey that he WAS microsofts "worst nightmare" [15:08] schestowitz-TR so he is still involved in the crime [15:08] matey only thats not what happened [15:08] schestowitz-TR said perenes [15:08] matey osi became a battering ram FOR microsoft, not OF it [15:08] schestowitz-TR "but that's what actually happened!!" [15:08] schestowitz-TR revolution OS [15:08] schestowitz-TR perens is mostly bald now [15:08] matey perens was fucking adorable in that film [15:09] matey he was such a loveable dork [15:09] schestowitz-TR turtleneck bruce [15:09] matey i wonder if debian made him cynical [15:09] matey im not saying he abandoned his values or anything [15:09] matey bruce is a fucking mystery [15:09] schestowitz-TR he's like rob madla [15:09] matey dont know him [15:09] schestowitz-TR was very high profile at one point [15:10] schestowitz-TR now shows up once iun a few years, does a pony trick, disappears again [15:10] schestowitz-TR *malda [15:10] matey While Robdon't call him RobertMalda may fit the irreverent hacker stereotype, his finest hack does not. Malda is founder of Holland, MI-based Slashdot [15:11] matey oh, sorry rob [15:11] matey i think slashdot was microsofts worst nightmare too [15:11] matey was [15:12] matey apparently their worst nightmare is to have someone attack them and then come out on top stronger than ever before [15:12] matey of course when i say "stronger than ever before" i am exaggerating a little [15:12] matey with any luck its more like an enormous jenga tower reaching into the stratosphere [15:13] matey impressive and foreboding but all the more unstable for it [15:13] *includeals (~includeal@a89-153-106-143.cpe.netcabo.pt) has joined #techrights [15:13] matey but still you see people propping it up-- what are you crazy? [15:13] matey half the gnu admins perhaps [15:13] matey havent got a better idea! [15:13] matey its the only repo on the internet! [15:14] matey "you wouldnt use savannah?" "fuck no, i already have to use that shit for gnu" [15:14] matey you may think im dissing savannah-- i would definitely choose it if github was the only other choise [15:14] matey but theres a lot of hate for it, and pretending there isnt wont help solve the mystery [15:15] matey if nothing else it means you dont have to use github [15:15] MinceR (audio:music) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/818715.mp4 [15:15] Alternative link Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/v/818715.mp4 [15:15] matey oh, rob malda [15:16] matey you should have said cmdrtaco, thats a name i know [15:16] MinceR :> [15:16] matey wasnt he in half-revolution os? [15:17] matey and of course: https://github.com/CmdrTaco [15:17] TR Bot (Rob Malda) GitHub [15:17] schestowitz-TR eww [15:18] schestowitz-TR but which year? [15:18] matey hey only one repo [15:18] matey thats what im checking now [15:18] schestowitz-TR /. was enemy of microsoft [15:18] schestowitz-TR so the criminals took over it [15:18] matey he just joined this year [15:18] schestowitz-TR then used it to promote the famous criminals [15:18] schestowitz-TR and many regulars fled [15:18] matey could it be fake? one repo, january 2022 [15:18] schestowitz-TR yes [15:18] matey SURELY hes heard about the purchase by now [15:19] schestowitz-TR fake maybe [15:19] matey see when i find a repo like this, i ignore it [15:19] matey its not compelling. [15:19] matey its not "oh this person uses github" [15:19] matey its nothing. i dont LIKE it, but its not "significant" [15:19] matey i avoid counting non-data like this. [15:19] schestowitz-TR maybe kathleen is trolling him [15:19] matey heh [15:20] schestowitz-TR "one more time and I'll create an account with your name in Microsoft Shit" [15:20] schestowitz-TR "and the time after that I add a repo" [15:20] schestowitz-TR (still better than throwing dishes) [15:20] matey "WaPo Labs" <- i didnt think he was still at wapo [15:20] schestowitz-TR "that escalates quickly [15:20] matey oh, BEZOS! [15:21] schestowitz-TR (Kathleen uploads Craig Mundie nudes into rob's fake account) [15:21] schestowitz-TR yes [15:21] schestowitz-TR short stint [15:21] schestowitz-TR iirc, it was around the bezos time [15:21] schestowitz-TR or just before [15:21] schestowitz-TR I think shortly after [15:21] matey so this is one of the weirdest things ive seen on github [15:22] matey its in maldas name [15:22] schestowitz-TR and lasted almost no time... just discredited him [15:22] schestowitz-TR the thing he 'created'... and failed at [15:22] schestowitz-TR torvalds did linux and git [15:22] matey one repo, updated this year [15:22] schestowitz-TR rms did gnu, fsf and lots more [15:22] matey 700 commits [15:23] schestowitz-TR his name or nickname? [15:23] schestowitz-TR there is a whole cult-like following associated with it [15:23] schestowitz-TR "slashdot subculture" [15:23] schestowitz-TR with its own famous jokes [15:23] matey rob "cmdrtaco" malda [15:23] matey so both [15:23] schestowitz-TR like rocky [15:24] matey "wapo labs" [15:24] schestowitz-TR so maybe it's him [15:24] schestowitz-TR in zrizona? [15:24] schestowitz-TR *az [15:24] schestowitz-TR nevada? [15:24] matey not one pr so we cant date it unless we assume it started on gh, didnt move there [15:24] schestowitz-TR he spoke to me in twitter [15:24] schestowitz-TR he was busy killing time with video games [15:24] matey ive seen gh issues dating back to the 90s, github didnt exist then [15:24] matey so gh issues cant be used to date anything [15:25] schestowitz-TR maybe it's a mirror [15:25] schestowitz-TR like he has it going locally [15:25] matey it doesnt look like a mirror, its got 700 commits (which of course wouldnt prove its not a mirror) [15:25] matey i think he put it up while at wapo [15:25] matey but its still being updated [15:25] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot#Culture [15:25] TR Bot Slashdot - Wikipedia [15:26] schestowitz "As an online community with primarily user-generated content, many in-jokes and internet memes have developed over the course of the site's history. A popular meme (based on an unscientific Slashdot user poll[66]) is, "In Soviet Russia, noun verb you!"[67] This type of joke has its roots in the 1960s or earlier, and is known as a "Russian reversal". Other popular memes usually pertain to computing or technology, such as "Imagine a Beowulf cluster [15:26] schestowitz of these",[68] "But does it run Linux?",[69] or "Netcraft now confirms: BSD (or some other software package or item) is dying."[70] Users will also typically refer to articles referring to data storage and data capacity by inquiring how much it is in units of Libraries of Congress.[71] Sometimes bandwidth speeds are referred to in units of Libraries of Congress per second. When numbers are quoted, people will comment that the number happens to be [15:26] schestowitz the "combination to their luggage" (a reference to the Mel Brooks film Spaceballs) and express false anger at the person who revealed it." [15:26] schestowitz " (Redirected from Slashdot subculture)" [15:26] schestowitz I think it used to be its own article [15:27] schestowitz many moons ago [15:27] schestowitz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bates_(technologist) [15:27] TR Bot Jeff Bates (technologist) - Wikipedia [15:27] schestowitz "Jeff Bates, also known as hemos, is the co-founder of Slashdot[1] along with Rob Malda ("CmdrTaco"). Bates graduated from Holland Christian High School in 1994[2] and received a Bachelor's degree in History and Biology from Hope College[3] in 1998." [15:27] schestowitz "In August 2011, Bates joined Google.[8] He worked at Google as Chief of Staff for the CIO, and as of 2019, is the Chief of Product Operations." [15:28] matey so you can click "older" 100 times but theres no way to say "oldest" [15:28] matey so you cant even go to the first page as far as i can tell [15:28] matey really brilliant design [15:28] schestowitz "Occasionally, a story will link to a server causing a large surge of traffic, which can overwhelm some smaller or independent sites. This phenomenon is known as the Slashdot effect." [15:28] schestowitz I got the slashdot effect many times [15:28] schestowitz but mostly in the years after its peak [15:28] schestowitz it tapered off already circa 2005 [15:29] matey they could have called it slashdos [15:29] schestowitz https://www.wired.com/1999/06/cmdrtaco-on-slashdot-sale/ [15:29] TR Bot on Slashdot Sale | WIRED [15:29] schestowitz "The co-founder and lead geek at Slashdot.org talks about selling the business to Andover.net. But he's reluctant to say exactly how much the sale brought in." [15:29] schestowitz Now Logan runs it [15:29] matey after=faedeb1ef6397e9b26d83aa229193d3c37ab0c7e+104 <- this takes me back to 16-bit computing [15:29] schestowitz Logan's run [15:29] schestowitz it's going nowhere [15:30] schestowitz Logan was here in IRC a few times [15:30] schestowitz tried to convince us /. would get better [15:30] schestowitz he also controls sourceforge [15:31] matey nearly all commits (recent, back to 2021 and before) are from [15:31] matey @grzegorz914 [15:31] matey grzegorz914 [15:31] matey who wrote what it was forked from [15:31] matey this is starting to look really fake [15:31] matey hes not still at wapo labs [15:31] matey it looks like he didnt do any work on this in 2021 [15:32] matey it makes no sense really, unless its fake [15:32] matey maybe an inside joke [15:32] matey "hey i made you a github account" "oh, fuck you" [15:33] matey "it says wapo labs" "haha, arsehole" [15:33] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [15:36] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [15:36] *psymin (~psymin@user/psymin) has joined #techrights [15:40] schestowitz-TR hmm... predicted to snow here tomorrow [15:40] schestowitz-TR almost april [15:40] schestowitz-TR heavy snow [15:40] schestowitz-TR happens once in 10-20 years [15:42] TR News "PGConf.be 2022 will be held in Haasrode, Leuven, about 25km from Brussels. 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Read more [15:48] TR Bot key insights for open source project sustainability in 2022 | Opensource.com ● Mar 29 [16:03] TR News Fedora 36 Workstation Installation Guide / Gnome 42 Quick Tour and New Features http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163107#comment-33224 [16:03] TR Bot Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 | Tux Machines [16:05] TR News Open Invention Network (OIN) is not a community, it is a corporate patent pool trying to pull the actual community into the cartel that 'normalises' software patents, distracting from actual solutions https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/03/29/2411593/0/en/Maersk-Joins-the-Open-Invention-Network-Community.html [16:05] TR Bot Maersk Joins the Open Invention Network Community [16:08] TR News "Beyond The Edge Of Owlsgard is a very promising upcoming point and click adventure game, with a Linux demo available." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/beyond-the-edge-of-owlsgard-is-a-retro-point-and-click-adventure-worth-trying/ [16:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/beyond-the-edge-of-owlsgard-is-a-retro-point-and-click-adventure-worth-trying/ [16:08] TR Bot The Edge Of Owlsgard is a retro point and click adventure worth trying | GamingOnLinux [16:09] TR News More teasers for a big Valheim update have arrived | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/more-teasers-for-a-big-valheim-update-have-arrived/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games [16:09] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/more-teasers-for-a-big-valheim-update-have-arrived/ [16:09] TR Bot teasers for a big Valheim update have arrived | GamingOnLinux [16:10] *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights [16:11] TR News March 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News

Read more [16:11] TR Bot March 2022 Web Server Survey | Netcraft News [16:11] TR News "Microsoft saw declines in all metrics this month, losing 3.22 million sites (-7.13%), 156,000 domains (-1.75%), 118,000 active sites (-1.88%), and 7,620 computers (-0.57%). Microsoft also lost 1,000 sites from its share of the top million." https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html [16:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: netcraft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2022/03/29/march-2022-web-server-survey.html [16:12] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@q4fap2q4w6mau.irc) has joined #techrights [16:14] XRevan86 https://thesun.co.uk/news/18082575 The Sun's reporters forgot to take their pills again. 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Silva [16:28] *bnchs (~bnchs@wumz3n9s5bv6i.irc) has joined #techrights [16:29] TR News [GIT PULL] sound updates for 5.18 - Takashi Iwai https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/s5hfsn8tyll.wl-tiwai@suse.de/ Source: suse | linux | kernel [16:29] TR Bot [GIT PULL] sound updates for 5.18 - Takashi Iwai [16:29] TR News [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 1/2] drm/i915/ats-m: add ATS-M platform info https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2022-March/294043.html Source: intel | linux [16:29] TR Bot [Intel-gfx] [PATCH 1/2] drm/i915/ats-m: add ATS-M platform info [16:30] schestowitz-TR XRevan86: best to ignore the sun [16:30] schestowitz-TR it's not good for the brain [16:30] schestowitz-TR until years ago the sun was known notf or murdoch [16:30] schestowitz-TR but for page 3 [16:30] schestowitz-TR you tur the front leaf [16:30] schestowitz-TR and there you have girls with their tits showing [16:31] schestowitz-TR so it was literally a wanker's 'news' paper [16:32] XRevan86 Even just this fact that they appeal (numerous times) to a (heavily debunked) "psychic" is more than enough. [16:38] *inky_ (~inky@37.186.117.147) has joined #techrights [16:38] TR News "I am planning to add a few chapters on securing services in my Linux Command Line book. But, to make it practical & hands on, I needed one real application which the readers can deploy and secure." https://kushaldas.in/posts/introducing-very-bad-web-application.html [16:38] TR Bot Introducing Very Bad Web Application [16:38] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [16:38] MinceR (audio:music) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/818334.mp4 [16:38] Alternative link Cloudflare: hugelolcdn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hugelolcdn.com/v/818334.mp4 [16:51] matey "attacked by steel birds" thats pretty uncanny actually [16:51] matey since in 1989 no one had ever heard of airplanes (let alone of one being used to attack someone) [16:52] matey "steel birds! thats so incredible, wherever could such a creature come from? this woman must speak to the gods themselves!" [16:54] TR News Virtual Kubernetes clusters: A new model for multitenancy | https://opensource.com/article/22/3/virtual-kubernetes-clusters-new-model-multitenancy Source: FreeSW | RedHat | IBM | GNU | Linux [16:54] TR Bot Kubernetes clusters: A new model for multitenancy | Opensource.com [16:54] matey "how did you guys ever think up the idea of attacking people with PLANES? its so original""actually we got the idea from the crazy psychic lady. before that we were just going to tamper with some bottles of tylenol, but they put those damned seals on them so that was out" [16:55] matey headlines: psychic from sun news masterminded 9/11! [16:56] matey "we read that thing about 'steel birds' and just thought-- wow, why didnt WE think of that?" [16:57] matey meet the real world, its like "brave new world" except dumber [16:58] TR News Raphal Hertzog: Join Freexian to help improve Debian https://raphaelhertzog.com/2022/03/29/join-freexian-to-help-improve-debian/ [16:58] TR Bot Join Freexian to help improve Debian [16:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 34.73 k/sec., IPFS upstream 78.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 312.86 [16:59] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [16:59] schestowitz it's not about 9/11 attacks [16:59] schestowitz these are straw man attacks ● Mar 29 [17:00] matey you didnt read the thing [17:00] XRevan86 matey: "Just say "birds of steel", the suckers keep falling for it" [17:00] schestowitz to suppress any discussion about 9/11 [17:00] schestowitz mention "9/11" and people go, "oh , here we go again..." [17:00] matey im all in favour of the 9/11 victims families having a real inquiry [17:00] matey theyre not going to get one, because the government doesnt give a shit about people who have less than billions of dollars [17:00] matey ever. [17:00] schestowitz and saudi arabia put under probe [17:01] schestowitz and maybe forced to issue billions in compensation [17:01] matey that would be poetic, but its not how allies get treated [17:01] matey on the other side of the world, these are called "acceptable losses" [17:02] matey on this side of the world, its called "thank you for your service" [17:02] matey its the same scam, just different marketing [17:04] *Digit has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [17:06] TR News "Today were going to design and laser cut some new Raspberry Pi cases from 3mm plywood using the Atomstack X7 40W." https://www.the-diy-life.com/making-laser-cut-raspberry-pi-cases-using-the-atomstack-x7-40w/ [17:06] Alternative link Cloudflare: the-diy-life.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.the-diy-life.com/making-laser-cut-raspberry-pi-cases-using-the-atomstack-x7-40w/ [17:06] TR Bot Making Laser Cut Raspberry Pi Cases Using The Atomstack X7 40W - The DIY Life [17:09] TR News "In 2019, the German LibreOffice community sadly lost one of its most active members, Klaus-Jrgen Weghorn. [...] support a student through the Deutschlandstipendium initiative..." https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/03/29/the-document-foundation-supports-the-deutschlandstipendium/ [17:09] TR Bot The Document Foundation supports the "Deutschlandstipendium" - The Document Foundation Blog [17:09] TR News Linux Tablet: Best Options, Comparison, and Guide Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163109 [17:09] TR Bot Linux Tablet: Best Options, Comparison, and Guide | Tux Machines [17:10] matey there are more people getting off of crack than leaving github [17:14] *Digitteknohippie (~user@user/digit) has joined #techrights [17:15] TR News Finnix Linux Distro for Sysadmins Celebrates 22th Anniversary with New Release Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163110 [17:15] TR Bot Finnix Linux Distro for Sysadmins Celebrates 22th Anniversary with New Release | Tux Machines [17:18] *Digitteknohippie has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [17:18] matey mike gerwitz, showing how its done https://github.com/mikegerwitz/i-do-not-use-github [17:18] TR Bot - mikegerwitz/i-do-not-use-github: I do not use GitHub for personal projects. More information here. [17:19] matey thank you mike [17:19] matey "While you may see some commits of mine for projects related to my employer, I do not use GitHub for personal projects." [17:19] matey "Primarily because GitHub requires users to run non-free JavaScript to use all features of the website. Not only will I not do this, but I don't want to direct users to GitHub either, because doing so is asking them to run non-free software." [17:19] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/26/mike-gerwitz-ethics/ [17:19] TR Bot Mike Gerwitz on the Ethics Void | Techrights [17:20] matey uh oh [17:20] matey well i wasnt done yet, but this is worth pausing for [17:20] matey i had one other funny thing to add [17:21] TR News Vulkan API 1.3.210 out with new extensions, new NVIDIA Beta Driver ready | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/vulkan-api-13210-out-with-new-extensions-new-nvidia-beta-driver-ready/ Source: Gaming On Linux | Graphics | Linux | Games [17:21] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/vulkan-api-13210-out-with-new-extensions-new-nvidia-beta-driver-ready/ [17:21] TR Bot API 1.3.210 out with new extensions, new NVIDIA Beta Driver ready | GamingOnLinux [17:21] matey oh dear [17:21] matey well, ill have to watch that i guess [17:21] matey this needs to be added (same link as before) [17:22] matey "GitHub is under new ownership, so maybe there is hope to change that." ROFL [17:22] TR News LOL! "With a price starting at $1,999".... and wait till you see the POWER BILLS! https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-has-rolled-out/ [17:22] Alternative link Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-has-rolled-out/ [17:22] TR Bot GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 'BFGPU' has rolled out | GamingOnLinux [17:22] matey yeah, microsoft purchased them, so maybe theyll solve the non-free js problem [17:22] matey seriously. [17:23] matey so you see its not just kuhn pushing this code of ethics thing [17:23] matey coc 2 is coming [17:23] matey um, that time it wasnt even intended. [17:24] matey it wasnt enough for corporations to push their social dynamics onto free software, they have to impose their "ethics" on us too [17:24] matey say goodbye to freedom 0. you wont get freedom 0 unless you fork. you wont fork, because theres no freedom 3. [17:24] matey free software will be back of course. like jesus. [17:24] matey maybe even before jesus. [17:25] matey /me IS definitely exaggerating slightly [17:25] matey its bad though. [17:25] matey the fsf is pushing kuhnism, like i said [17:26] matey and theyre using libreplanet, which is what i said they would do. [17:26] matey now to watch this old claptrap [17:26] matey fucking lieplanet [17:26] TR News Were going to recognise the demise of the Web (along with social control media and bursting of the clown bubble) as we focus more on exposing corruption, resisting censorship, and moving videos away from the grip of pseudo-free video hosting (no such thing) http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/techrights-preparations-underway/ [17:26] matey roy, the one time i think ive found a kindred spirit at the fsf, and you go and ruin it [17:26] TR Bot Techrights Has Some Solid Plans, But Preparations Are Underway | Techrights [17:26] TR News Games: Beyond The Edge Of Owlsgard, Valheim, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163111 [17:26] TR Bot Games: Beyond The Edge Of Owlsgard, Valheim, and More | Tux Machines [17:26] matey (this one, at least, you cant be blamed for) [17:27] MinceR 29 182408 < matey> it wasnt enough for corporations to push their social dynamics onto free software, they have to impose their "ethics" on us too [17:27] MinceR it's not really their ethics [17:27] matey indeed [17:27] matey its just they want to control ours [17:27] MinceR it's what their crybully troll army likes [17:27] MinceR and what they offend all the time, but not publicly [17:28] MinceR it's easier to point out that a free software project used a "bad word" in a comment when your own code is secret [17:28] matey if more people watched the office, they would already know what the fsf is going to do next [17:28] matey steel birds will attack our nuts! [17:28] matey and turn us into unix [17:29] matey it's easier to point out that a free software project used a "bad word" in a comment when your own code is secret 81580085! [17:29] schestowitz DAAAARK MODE https://windowsreport.com/best-windows-11-dark-theme/ [17:29] TR Bot 5 best Windows 11 dark themes that are available for free [17:29] matey B16B00B5 [17:29] schestowitz does that offend anyone? [17:29] schestowitz deny mode [17:29] matey deny horse [17:30] matey deny magic [17:30] matey denysploitation [17:31] TR News RFID music player delivers vintage charm | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/29/rfid-music-player-delivers-vintage-charm/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking [17:31] Alternative link Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/29/rfid-music-player-delivers-vintage-charm/ [17:31] TR Bot RFID music player delivers vintage charm | Arduino Blog [17:31] matey deny beauty https://yewtu.be/watch?v=8u5NgC4lZ8s [17:31] TR Bot Black Beauty Theme (Galloping Home) - Denis King 1972 - Invidious [17:32] matey oh, deny betty! blam balam [17:32] TR News LOL!!!! "National Science Agency (NSA)"... and those LF slackies in "FOSS" Life think NSA (NOT science) want security? https://www.fosslife.org/nsa-releases-kubernetes-hardening-guide [17:32] TR Bot NSA Releases Kubernetes Hardening Guide [17:33] TR News NSA wants to harden (actual) security like a rape victims wants the rapist hardened [17:34] schestowitz-TR there's a racist program called darktable [17:34] MinceR uh oh [17:34] schestowitz-TR they need to change name [17:34] schestowitz-TR I suggest "GLIMPSE" [17:34] matey the "ethics void" [17:34] schestowitz-TR since the GIMP fork is dead [17:34] MinceR what's the MICROS~1/ibm/deadrat-approved replacement for "dark"? [17:35] schestowitz-TR GLIMPSE is available for use [17:35] matey im telling you, these people all work for open source now [17:35] schestowitz-TR it's the same but we changed the name and logo [17:35] matey this is old osi shit [17:35] matey they didnt fold-- they moved [17:35] schestowitz-TR Is pale moon OK? [17:35] schestowitz-TR Pale can be colour reference [17:35] matey the palemoon author is an idiot [17:35] MinceR :> [17:35] matey oh you mean the name [17:35] matey allow moon [17:36] schestowitz-TR "allow microphone access" [17:37] matey if a midget makes a misogynist comment, is it offensive to call that a "microaggression" [17:39] schestowitz-TR if a drone runs Windows... [17:39] schestowitz-TR and has a minigun [17:39] schestowitz-TR that's miniaggression on a microaggresison [17:39] matey so the fsf has finally and officially been hijacked to be used for pure fucking idiocy [17:39] matey against itself [17:39] TR News Extension Manager GNOME App Adds New Features, New Icon Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163112 [17:39] TR Bot Extension Manager GNOME App Adds New Features, New Icon | Tux Machines [17:40] schestowitz-TR you mean mike? [17:40] matey but its not an occupation-- they prefer to call it a "conversion of faith" [17:40] schestowitz-TR because of his talk? [17:40] matey i mean mike and the board [17:40] matey no i havent watched the talk yet [17:40] matey im simply going on what i am in fact ABOUT to watch [17:40] schestowitz-TR mike iirc may have been the one blocking pocock from gnu.org [17:40] matey i make no effort to hide this fact [17:40] schestowitz-TR so that he could not evenemail rms [17:40] *CParadoxum__ has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [17:40] matey oh cool, maybe hes the reason i cant email him either [17:40] matey but is that ethical? [17:41] matey or was he blocking people for ETHICAL reasons [17:41] schestowitz-TR it'\s not for you to decide [17:41] matey maybe he was trying to prevent unethical emails from getting through [17:41] schestowitz-TR it's for self-labelling ethical peopl [17:41] matey yes, it may be my freedom, its just not my decision [17:41] schestowitz-TR who use "SJW" as their own flair in Reddit [17:41] schestowitz-TR while working for a Gulag [17:41] schestowitz-TR and bombing people [17:41] matey is gerwitz a googler? [17:41] schestowitz-TR don't know [17:42] schestowitz-TR he maintains fsd [17:42] matey probably not then [17:42] matey i dont think he does [17:42] schestowitz-TR but he's ok [17:42] matey i can think of two fsd maintainers [17:42] schestowitz-TR ime [17:42] matey but he's ok <- not from what youve said, no [17:42] schestowitz-TR there are people who do harm [17:42] schestowitz-TR he's hardly the issue [17:42] schestowitz-TR he's pro rms [17:42] matey then he sucks at it [17:43] matey hes not even on the pro rms list [17:43] matey probably wasnt ethical [17:43] schestowitz-TR you wrote some rude thinks to rms [17:43] schestowitz-TR *things [17:43] schestowitz-TR so on the balance of things he's more pro-RMS than you [17:43] matey your assessment of my interactions with rms is largely bullshit [17:43] matey you told a number of fabrications about rms [17:43] matey and threw me under the bus when it was convenient to do so [17:44] matey i dont give two tugs of a dead dogs cock what you think about me and rms. or me and oliva. [17:44] matey or me and tom. [17:44] matey i hope that much is clear. [17:44] schestowitz-TR ok, fair point [17:44] schestowitz-TR but anyway, mike isn't the enemy [17:44] schestowitz-TR I added his video/talk [17:44] matey no, hes just useless. [17:44] matey im glad you added the talk [17:44] matey people should see it. [17:44] schestowitz-TR because I looked at more than the gnu domain [17:44] matey im going to watch it [17:44] schestowitz-TR and some of the other things [17:45] schestowitz-TR and he would be a bad target because if we attack our own, nobody benefits [17:45] schestowitz-TR maybe you judged only thje titl;e [17:45] schestowitz-TR of the talk [17:45] matey hes not a target, hes just useless [17:46] matey well lets see what happened when i read kuhns article [17:46] schestowitz-TR he helps a lot in FSD [17:46] matey its hard to read that much bullshit at once [17:46] schestowitz-TR even at the hardest times [17:46] matey i dont think hes in charge of the fsd anymore [17:46] matey when i read kuhns article i took it in at a pace i could stand [17:46] schestowitz-TR he just writes monthly summaries [17:46] matey but i finally read the whole thing [17:46] matey he just writes monthly summaries <- i am aware [17:47] matey at first i thought kuhn was supporting ethical source licenses-- not at all [17:47] schestowitz-TR he also puts his name in the headlines [17:47] matey then i thought it was mostly benign EXCEPT for the obvious context [17:47] schestowitz-TR which I always found a tad strange [17:47] matey then i realised what he was doing [17:47] matey so three parts to the reaction-- initial, revised and conclusive [17:47] matey im sure it will be the same with the gerwitz talk [17:48] schestowitz just publsishged https://opensource.org/blog/simplify-open-source-license-compliance [17:48] TR Bot Simplify Open Source License Compliance | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source... [17:48] schestowitz I've not read it yet [17:49] schestowitz " GitHub and GitLab are the most common places to publish code with distributed version control." [17:49] schestowitz citation needed [17:51] TR News How to quickly end the war in Ukraine with $10 laser pointers | I, Cringely https://www.cringely.com/2022/03/29/how-to-quickly-end-the-war-in-ukraine-with-10-laser-pointers/ Source: cringely [17:51] TR Bot to quickly end the war in Ukraine with $10 laser pointers | I, Cringely [17:53] matey probably true though [17:53] matey also the two worst, nearly [17:53] TR News "internet-connected uninterruptable power supply (UPS)"????? WHY????? https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/29/mitigating-attacks-against-uninterruptable-power-supply-devices [17:53] TR Bot Mitigating Attacks Against Uninterruptable Power Supply Devices | CISA [17:53] matey i dont give people a hard time for using gitlab, it just sucks [17:53] matey they probably should look at a third option [17:54] TR News Raspberry Pi CM4 powered system available as SBC or mini-PC https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-powered-system-available-as-sbc-or-mini-pc/ Source: LinuxGizmos | Hardware | Devices | GNU | Linux [17:54] TR Bot ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-powered-system-available-as-sbc-or-mini-pc/ ) [17:54] Alternative link Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/raspberry-pi-cm4-powered-system-available-as-sbc-or-mini-pc/ [17:55] *CParadoxum__ (~quassel@9xkr6pdp2c5xu.irc) has joined #techrights [17:55] TR News "This photograph of Tesla, produced for The Century Magazine, shows the inventor seated beneath his giant magnifying transmitter, arcing 22-foot-long bolts of electricity." https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/nikola-tesla-in-his-laboratory/ [17:55] TR Bot Earthen Messages: Nikola Tesla in his Laboratory (ca. 1899) The Public Domain Review [17:55] *CrystalMath (~coderain@uyy4r7rua7b84.irc) has joined #techrights [17:55] schestowitz-TR matey: we made out own in gemtext [17:55] *Skywave has quit (connection closed) [17:55] schestowitz-TR it's less than 100 lines of code [17:56] *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@ecz2t3b69tp9n.irc) has joined #techrights ● Mar 29 [18:00] *zleap (~zleap@user/zleap) has joined #techrights [18:01] matey yes its funny how you can just put code online without high-granularity version control [18:01] matey a number of gnu projects still do that-- bug report? feature request? patch? email it [18:01] matey later it will show up in a tarball. [18:02] matey no git, no cvs, just tar.gz [18:02] matey im sure you woudlnt want to do a kernel that way [18:03] matey but im not a kernel author [18:03] matey /me is wasting 600mb of b/w on this troll [18:03] matey sure i have plenty more, its still a waste [18:04] matey doesnt look like i expected at all [18:05] matey oh christ hes pushing unity [18:06] matey he sounds like a friend i had at my wedding [18:06] schestowitz-TR unity3d? [18:06] schestowitz-TR aka uniuty? [18:06] schestowitz-TR or ubuntu's? [18:07] schestowitz-TR rianne used unity for a few years [18:07] schestowitz-TR it's not horrible [18:07] matey unity: forced marriage [18:08] schestowitz-TR at lkeast back then ubuntu was not fedora clone [18:08] schestowitz-TR it also had upstart iirc [18:08] matey it's not horrible <- mono? [18:08] schestowitz-TR same time [18:08] schestowitz-TR so you mean unity the game dev fw [18:09] schestowitz-TR unity3d was one of the very few mono "success stories" [18:09] matey i know for a fact that the game platform is mono [18:09] schestowitz-TR and team mono crumbled [18:10] matey im talking about unity desktop, i assumed you were [18:10] matey this was at a time ubuntu was pushing mono-- you wrote articles complaining about it [18:10] schestowitz-TR unity however was not mono [18:10] schestowitz-TR I didn't waste time bashing unity their 'de'e [18:10] matey ok, i wasnt sure [18:10] schestowitz-TR mostly a panel thing [18:10] schestowitz-TR after they hired the beryl/compiz devs [18:11] matey and the addon that spied on users [18:11] schestowitz-TR or dev [18:11] matey which shuttleworth was shameless about [18:11] schestowitz-TR scope [18:11] matey spineless too [18:11] schestowitz-TR that came later [18:11] schestowitz-TR 2012 ish [18:11] schestowitz-TR or 2013 [18:11] schestowitz-TR snowden leaks [18:11] schestowitz-TR micah lee complained [18:11] schestowitz-TR after he had put glenn greenwalk on ubuntu [18:12] schestowitz-TR and saught to secure the snowden trove of leaks [18:12] matey C++, JavaScript, QML [18:12] matey 2.07.4: C, C++, Python, Vala[3] [18:12] matey 8: C++ and QML [18:12] matey no mono [18:12] *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [18:13] matey gerwitz is resently talking about a lot of irrelevant things that are going to be used to tank free software development for years [18:13] matey presently ^ [18:14] matey kuhn and industry ask for stupid-- gerwitz finds legitimate reasons to give them everything on their wishlist [18:14] matey i think gerwitz is a sucker [18:14] matey seems well-intended [18:15] matey hes actually approaching this in a stallman-like way [18:15] matey pedantic, thorough, completely oblivious to the context of what he will be ushering in on behalf of a corrupt industry [18:16] matey people will use this talk to add legitimacy to what kuhn is doing [18:16] schestowitz-TR ok, so we agree he's well meaning [18:16] matey meanwhile the fsf has already used this against whistleblowers [18:16] schestowitz-TR unlike with bkuhn [18:16] matey so we agree he's well meaning <- no, i think he appears and may in fact be well-meaning [18:16] schestowitz-TR ok [18:16] matey unlike with bkuhn <- but they are arguing for the same thing at the end of the day [18:17] matey and thats a problem regardless of intention [18:17] matey hes scoring an own-goal [18:17] schestowitz of note: https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/ [18:17] TR Bot libreplanet's profile GNU MediaGoblin [18:17] schestowitz there are still missing bits and errors [18:17] schestowitz I reckon they will resume and finalise today [18:17] matey from this talk or from the event? [18:18] matey ive watched 1/3 of it (and watching the next 1/3 now) and hes still on the introduction (or the lack of tie-in to whats going on now) [18:19] TR News Or it just renamed and moved under another shell https://www.accessnow.org/finfisher-shuts-down/ [18:19] Alternative link Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/finfisher-shuts-down/ [18:19] TR Bot Victory! FinFisher shuts down - Access Now [18:20] matey schestowitz have you ever had a friend (in school for example) for however long, who was a bit of a doormat? [18:21] TR News Schneier neglects to point out this is a Microsoft Windows issue https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/a-detailed-look-at-the-conti-ransomware-gang.html [18:21] TR Bot Detailed Look at the Conti Ransomware Gang - Schneier on Security [18:21] matey someone who just refused to stand up for themselves and let people walk all over them [18:22] schestowitz-TR that's now what's happening, that can happen over irc [18:22] schestowitz-TR or textual comms [18:22] schestowitz-TR even with rms [18:22] schestowitz-TR even more so with rms [18:22] matey well the thing is, people like that arent bad people [18:22] schestowitz-TR he said offensive things to people I know [18:22] schestowitz-TR without meaning to [18:23] matey but theyre routinely hijacked, manipulated and used by bad people [18:23] matey this makes them at best, a liability [18:23] matey im not saying we should necessarily shun them [18:23] schestowitz-TR so then people need to jump in and act as negotiators [18:23] matey just that they make lousy friends, because they often end up siding with bad people [18:23] matey so then people need to jump in and act as negotiators <- this is a valid approach [18:23] matey with enough good people willing to do something, such people can be rescued [18:23] schestowitz-TR iirc, jgay had this issue too [18:24] matey within a small group though, such doormat like people are a liability [18:24] schestowitz-TR like rms saying inappropriate things [18:24] matey and, in a large group of such people, youre just fucked. [18:24] schestowitz-TR matey: so you keep them at arm's length [18:24] matey like rms saying inappropriate things <- people need to understand that rms is always going to have social difficulties [18:24] matey if they cant understand that, imo theyre being unreasonable [18:24] schestowitz-TR yes, that won't change at age 70 [18:25] matey this is not a special plea for rms, its a recognition of everyone who has a legitimate reason to be that way [18:25] matey not understanding this is like telling someone tourettes to watch their fucking mouth [18:25] matey someone with tourettes ^ [18:25] matey the fact is that people like rms can IMPROVE [18:25] schestowitz-TR not to go offtopic [18:25] schestowitz-TR in wikileaks cablegate [18:25] matey but [18:25] schestowitz-TR clinton asked for medfical dirt on kirschner (argentina) [18:26] schestowitz-TR when you want to take people down [18:26] matey that improvement will never make them "normal" and that needs to be accepted (by reasonable people. unreasonable people will make unreasonable demands) [18:26] schestowitz-TR you identigy a weakness [18:26] schestowitz-TR like someone being tactless [18:26] schestowitz-TR or a sex maniac [18:26] schestowitz-TR or disloyal [18:26] schestowitz-TR wityh rms they know how to trigger him [18:26] matey i dont think rms is tactless [18:26] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: siren) [18:26] matey i think he can be sometimes [18:26] schestowitz-TR temper [18:26] matey sometimes he fails socially [18:27] matey wityh rms they know how to trigger him <- right [18:27] matey its a bullying tactic [18:27] matey you flick things at the back of someones head [18:27] matey no one notices [18:27] matey finally that person turns around and says HEY WOULD YOU FUCK OFF [18:27] matey and then they get in trouble, not the instigator [18:28] matey this has been going on FOREVER [18:28] matey and most anti-bullying strategies simply ignore this [18:28] schestowitz-TR happeend here in irc [18:28] schestowitz-TR and in usenet [18:28] schestowitz-TR I once fell for it [18:28] schestowitz-TR but that was around 2005 [18:28] schestowitz-TR lessons learned: always ignore trolls [18:29] matey around 24:00 the talk just makes me sad [18:29] TR News HC asks MEITY to consider hearing creator of blocked site https://internetfreedom.in/delhi-high-court-calls-for-case-files/ Source: internetfreedom [18:29] Alternative link Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/delhi-high-court-calls-for-case-files/ [18:29] TR Bot HC asks MEITY to consider hearing creator of blocked site [18:29] matey lessons learned: always ignore trolls <- nice idea, until everyone is trolling [18:30] matey the world has gotten way more trollish over the past 20 years [18:30] matey just society in general [18:30] matey its not all bad [18:30] matey i like focusing on the bad because the good doesnt need as much fixing [18:31] matey in fact one of the worst things there is now, is people trying desperately to fix everything good [18:31] matey "fix" [18:32] matey 24:00 gerwitz is very politely tiptoeing around the problem of open source [18:32] matey hes actually talking about it, which is good [18:32] matey im not suggesting that pounding his fist on the podium and shouting would be better [18:33] TR News How on Earth could this article be published without even mentioning Windows? With Microsoft and Bill Gates bribing everything that moves -- even publishers -- the crimes get covered up and noise obfuscates https://www.wired.com/story/conti-leaks-ransomware-work-life/ [18:33] TR Bot Workaday Life of Conti, the Worlds Most Dangerous Ransomware Gang | WIRED [18:34] matey "we want to be able to get along and we [mostly] do" [18:37] TR News "Use Microsoft AppLocker or other similar allow list application to help mitigate risk." Or don't use Microsoft at all. :-) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-088-01 [18:37] TR Bot Rockwell Automation ISaGRAF | CISA [18:37] TR News Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163113 [18:37] TR Bot Security Leftovers | Tux Machines [18:37] matey "were almost fighting an uphill battle from within" 28:10 [18:37] matey and right before that he calls github proprietary [18:38] matey now hes talking about "moral myopia" [18:39] matey "were not spying on you, just collecting detailed usage statistics" <- hes criticising this [18:39] TR News "Misconfiguration in the ASP server causes server and ASP.net information to be shown." Hm... what is this ASP 'server' thing? Oh... CISA should be a lot clearer in its advisories. Stop covering up for criminals from Microsoft https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-088-03 [18:39] TR Bot Hitachi Energy LinkOne WebView | CISA [18:39] schestowitz-TR "telemetry" [18:39] schestowitz-TR "big data" [18:39] schestowitz-TR for our "data scientists" [18:39] schestowitz-TR "UX" [18:40] schestowitz-TR "to improve your eXperience"| [18:42] TR News "vulnerability exists in HandlerPage_KID.ashx.... CVE-2022-26069 has been assigned to this vulnerability. A CVSS v3 base score of 9.8 has been assigned" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01 http://techrights.org/wiki/Call_Out_Windows [18:42] TR Bot Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update A) | CISA [18:42] TR Bot Call Out Windows - Techrights [18:43] matey oh look its rms [18:43] matey he has a question or comment [18:44] matey oh its a good comment [18:44] matey and yet you think gertwiz blocked pocock? [18:47] matey rms mentions "restore the 4th" [18:47] matey i imagine theyre defunct by now [18:48] TR News Nicholas Johnson and Woichiech Kosior: Taking back the Web | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/nicholas-johnson-and-woichiech-kosior/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/nicholas-johnson-and-woichiech-kosior/ [18:48] TR Bot Nicholas Johnson and Woichiech Kosior: Taking back the Web | Techrights [18:48] matey still being updated as of a couple weeks ago https://restorethe4th.com/ [18:48] TR Bot - Opposing unconstitutional mass government surveillance [18:50] matey s during q&a gerwitz literally says "unethical" wrt code is a "slippery slope" [18:51] matey rms says some things should be "absolutely prohibited" whether theyre done with software or not [18:54] matey gerwtiz seems to entirely contradict himself on the w3c-- it starts out good [18:54] matey i have to check what kind of org the w3c is [18:54] matey " some GNU/Linux distros belatedly realise that theres no such thing as free hosting and Microsoft GitHub is a force of occupation." a techrights now says github is a force of occupation [18:55] matey it is of course [18:57] matey ok so the w3c is an international standards organisation governed by members [18:57] matey it doesnt say what kind (where i was reading) [18:57] matey gerwitz says the real activism comes from orgs like fsf sfc (he mentioned sfc) and the aclu [18:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 50.93 k/sec., IPFS upstream 64.10 average k/sec., average swarm size 291.30 ● Mar 29 [19:00] matey no, the video wasnt as bad as i thought it would be [19:00] matey and it looks like restore the 4th is still active. and i guess rms is allowed to comment on talks at libreplanet, which is lovely [19:00] matey maybe a good "hack" [19:01] matey he looks younger when the video hes on is being shot for a recording, rather than a video call [19:02] matey i had a computer teacher in his mid 60s who looked older than rms does in this video [19:03] matey he looks healthy [19:06] matey gerwitz incidentally is the maintainer of this gnu project: https://www.gnu.org/software/easejs/ [19:06] TR Bot GNU ease.js [19:08] MinceR https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1505647540129124357-scaled.jpg [19:08] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1505647540129124357-scaled.jpg [19:10] TR News Amin Bandalis New Talk About the Net Beyond the Web (Including Gemini) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/ [19:10] TR Bot Amin Bandalis New Talk About the Net Beyond the Web (Including Gemini) | Techrights [19:13] matey https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1505647540129124357-scaled.jpg <- and mormons too [19:13] Alternative link Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1505647540129124357-scaled.jpg [19:13] matey no long hair on boys! [19:13] matey well hes the son of god, he can do what he wants [19:14] matey yeah but... [19:14] matey so anyway, 1. code of conduct 2. code of ethics [19:14] MinceR :> [19:14] matey and finally, a dress code for every free software project [19:14] matey cant wait [19:15] matey no hoodies! [19:15] *inky (~inky@178.78.145.201) has joined #techrights [19:17] *matey has quit (connection closed) [19:17] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [19:17] *zleap has quit (Quit: Leaving) [19:25] TR News Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome are now over 30 MILLION lines of code http://techrights.org/?p=157592 [19:27] schestowitz gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D186.jpg(Cat) [19:27] schestowitz (Cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D186.jpg [19:27] activelow ^ and they are all heavily compromised beyond repair, chrome, moz etc [19:27] schestowitz gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D544.jpg [19:28] activelow i am not willing to install any of those, neither binary nor from source [19:29] kingoffrance eh, the hair thing is actually vaguely a sign of "progress". women were believed to hae long hair with magical powers, so were supposed to cover up -- see one of the egyptian "marys" wiping mummy jesus feet with her hair as part of the mummy "resurrection". that it has switched back around to boys is kind of hilarious though [19:29] TR News A stranger on my public Matrix channel. A stranger on my public Matrix channel. [19:29] kingoffrance you ppl dont know how many jokes i could make but hold my tongue :D [19:30] kingoffrance its just bits and pieces of egyptian mummification rituals [19:30] kingoffrance whatever the hair was about, they forgot centuries ago [19:34] kingoffrance thats also samson or whoever gets a hair cut and loses his magical powers [19:41] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@89yam9i74iqzs.irc) has joined #techrights [19:44] *bnchs (~bnchs@8eqkv9jh5rjru.irc) has joined #techrights [19:44] bnchs greatest alexa prank [19:44] bnchs "alexa call 911" [19:44] *sepsinn has quit (Quit: leaving) [19:45] bnchs "alexa call bomb threat to 911" [19:46] TR News Its NOT Over! 165,000 Dead Brits People Who Died With COVID-19 as Coronavirus Patients in Hospital to Reach 20,000 This Week (Highest Since Pre-Vaccine Levels) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/29/20000-in-hospital/ [19:46] TR Bot Blog Archive Its NOT Over! 165,000 Dead Brits People Who Died With COVID-19 as Coronavirus Patients in Hospital to Reach 20,000 This Week (Highest Since Pre-Vaccine Levels) [19:46] schestowitz-TR bnchs: and say it "9" "11" [19:46] schestowitz-TR not nine one one [19:47] schestowitz-TR alexa, jeff bezos did 9/11 [19:47] schestowitz-TR and debbie does dallas [19:47] bnchs think of any phrases you can trick someone's alexa with [19:47] bnchs teaches streamers a lesson with alexa [19:47] schestowitz-TR sounds like swatting them [19:48] schestowitz-TR phone them [19:48] schestowitz-TR tell them to be put on speaker [19:48] bnchs yeah i know but i can think of something else [19:48] schestowitz-TR then shout ALEXA HOW DO I BUILDS A BOMB!!! [19:48] bnchs "alexa order a 12 inch black dildo" [19:48] schestowitz-TR now get some popcorn [19:48] bnchs "alexa call 911" [19:48] bnchs "alexa search for instructions for how to build a bomb" [19:50] bnchs I've added 12 inches black dildo to your amazon shopping cart [19:50] *bnchs has quit (connection closed) [19:50] *bnchs (~bnchs@8eqkv9jh5rjru.irc) has joined #techrights [19:51] bnchs "alexa what is my location" [19:51] bnchs alexa cant even do the simplest task [19:51] bnchs but yet ruins your life [19:52] *inky_ (~inky@141.136.88.65) has joined #techrights [19:52] bnchs i have an idea [19:52] MinceR "alexa, ignore this command" [19:52] bnchs "alexa order 82 inches samsung qled 8k TV and put it on one-day shipping" [19:52] bnchs you can drain people's wallets with this [19:53] schestowitz-TR i used to access alexa the site a lot [19:53] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [19:53] MinceR "alexa, order two tons of creamed corn. alexa, confirm purchase." [19:53] schestowitz-TR around 2003-2005 [19:53] schestowitz-TR I even had the toolbar at one point [19:53] schestowitz-TR in the days when it was fashionable to have google pagerank in toolbars [19:53] schestowitz-TR toolbars stopped being a thing at one point [19:53] schestowitz-TR not sure why [19:53] schestowitz-TR i sort of miss those dayst [19:53] schestowitz-TR the web was mostly pages [19:54] schestowitz-TR not 'webapps' [19:54] bnchs alexa is like allowing the trolls to fuck you over more [19:54] bnchs "alexa, order 500 iphone 11s and put them on ONE DAY SHIPPING" [19:54] bnchs "yes" [19:55] bnchs "alexa, what is my IP address" [19:56] bnchs "alexa, tell me which devices are on LAN" [19:57] bnchs "alexa, whats the best place to dump a body" [19:58] schestowitz-TR after [19:59] schestowitz-TR and [19:59] schestowitz-TR "alexa, tell me which devices are on LAN" [19:59] schestowitz-TR alexa:alexa [19:59] *sepsinn (~sepsinn@c9nu4ummhfn7e.irc) has joined #techrights [19:59] bnchs the alexa can also call people on your phone ● Mar 29 [20:00] bnchs connect to your phone and call shit [20:01] bnchs "Alexa order 2 extra-large cheesy dominos pizza meat lover" [20:01] TR News #HowTo create & manage loop devices(virtual block) on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163114 [20:01] TR Bot How to create & manage loop devices(virtual block) on Linux | Tux Machines [20:01] bnchs alexa is funny, like putting a security hole in your home [20:02] schestowitz-TR it is called shot-hacking [20:02] schestowitz-TR shout [20:02] bnchs yeah [20:02] TR News IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 165 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163115 [20:02] TR Bot IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 165 released | Tux Machines [20:02] TR News 4 Best Free and Open Source GUI Prototyping Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163116 [20:02] TR Bot 4 Best Free and Open Source GUI Prototyping Tools | Tux Machines [20:02] bnchs it cant differentiate between a real human voice and a TTS/text reader voice [20:02] TR News 5 Reasons Why Zorin OS is an Ideal Choice for Beginners Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163117 [20:02] TR Bot 5 Reasons Why Zorin OS is an Ideal Choice for Beginners | Tux Machines [20:03] bnchs and makes it a ((prime)) target for trolls [20:03] schestowitz-TR "alexas, sent goatse to mom, tell her I'm a necrophile" [20:04] schestowitz-TR *Alexa, send [20:04] bnchs Alexa, text the local target i'm planning to bomb them [20:05] bnchs first thing your mom gets greeted with is a man's asshole [20:10] bnchs schestowitz-TR: not just alexa [20:10] bnchs theres also siri [20:10] bnchs and google home [20:10] bnchs and other shit [20:10] bnchs "hey siri call 911" "yes" [20:11] bnchs dont leave your iphone near a speaker [20:12] schestowitz-TR hi, try this [20:12] schestowitz-TR "siri call the police, tell them to bring a machine gun" [20:12] schestowitz-TR or something about suicide vest [20:13] schestowitz-TR anyway, the point you make here is not new [20:13] schestowitz-TR let's break it down [20:13] schestowitz-TR a computer with open mic [20:13] schestowitz-TR no need to access mouse or keyboard [20:13] schestowitz-TR no need to even be in the same roomn [20:13] bnchs this kind of attack always happens with streamers [20:13] schestowitz-TR it can be a TV set in the background [20:13] schestowitz-TR or someone shouting in the street [20:13] schestowitz-TR and you give too much access credential to these [20:13] bnchs yeah [20:13] schestowitz-TR "siri delete my hard drive" [20:14] schestowitz-TR you can become paranoid about mere sound waves [20:14] schestowitz-TR they can wipe your disk [20:14] bnchs but you gonna need some coordination for stuff like 911 prompt [20:14] bnchs it will prompt you yes or no [20:14] MinceR "siri, install android" [20:14] activelow my dvb-t2 tv receiver box is bugged; crashes when i'm pressing the menu button [20:14] bnchs like timing [20:14] bnchs activelow: what receiver is it [20:14] *AdmFubar1 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:15] activelow philips [20:15] schestowitz-TR imagine siri on nuke launcher for biden or putin [20:15] activelow DTR3442B [20:15] bnchs "SIRI, SELF-DESTRUCT!!!" [20:15] bnchs activelow: i use a vu solo+ with openpli [20:16] bnchs (aka GNU/Linux on MIPS satellite receiver) [20:16] schestowitz-TR activelow: what do you mean bugged [20:16] schestowitz-TR does it have a microphone on it? [20:16] activelow never made any firmware update or anything [20:16] bnchs activelow: what os is it running [20:16] activelow schestowitz-TR: with bugged i mean it crashes since recently, as soon as i press the "menu" button [20:16] activelow didn't change anything [20:16] schestowitz-TR if it was taken over entirely, can it even connect over radio or internet? [20:17] bnchs is it some proprietary poorly written firmware? [20:17] schestowitz-TR if not, [20:17] schestowitz-TR then the worst case scenario, bnd wants to give you a shitty day :-) [20:17] schestowitz-TR or crashy stuff [20:17] schestowitz-TR but not bugged [20:17] schestowitz-TR begging is this: [20:17] activelow schestowitz-TR: no internet connection; dvb-t2 isn't officially known for an upstream channel, or software changes over-the-air [20:18] schestowitz-TR [11:25] Cars are corrosive to freedom. They used to be marketed as tools of independence and emancipation. Not the "new" cars. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-investigation-mystery-gps-tracker-supporters-car [20:18] TR Bot An EFF Investigation: Mystery GPS Tracker On A Supporters Car | Electronic Frontier Foundation [20:18] activelow _never_ plugged it into ethernet, not at least once, never connected any usb [20:18] schestowitz-TR happens in the uk for a decade at least [20:18] schestowitz-TR police stops you, attached a car to the car [20:18] schestowitz-TR there are variants of that [20:18] schestowitz-TR usually targets suspected terror plotters [20:18] bnchs shoutouts to openpli's enigma2 [20:18] schestowitz-TR *attaches a bug to the car [20:18] bnchs entirely framebuffer based UI for receivers without GPUs [20:19] schestowitz-TR usually below so you do not see it [20:21] TR News 165,000 dead will be tomorrow or Thursday. Friday will almost certainly be over 20,000 in hospital, i.e. worse in over a year http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/29/20000-in-hospital/ [20:21] TR Bot Blog Archive Its NOT Over! 165,000 Dead Brits People Who Died With COVID-19 as Coronavirus Patients in Hospital to Reach 20,000 This Week (Highest Since Pre-Vaccine Levels) [20:21] schestowitz-TR is amin a persian name? [20:21] bnchs activelow: what firmware is it [20:21] schestowitz-TR Amin Bandali [20:22] schestowitz-TR his english is very strong [20:22] schestowitz-TR but I can hear it's not his first lang [20:22] schestowitz-TR he made tons of good gnu projects and sub-projects [20:23] bnchs https://github.com/OpenPLi/enigma2 [20:23] TR Bot - OpenPLi/enigma2: Framebuffer based frontend for DVB functions on Linux settop boxes [20:23] bnchs shithub [20:23] bnchs disappointment [20:23] TR News "Believe it or not, not everything is based on C. There are current, shipping, commercial OSes written before C was invented, and now others in both newer and older languages that don't involve C at any level or layer." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/ [20:23] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/ [20:23] TR Bot The weird world of non-C operating systems The Register [20:24] TR News Sailfish OS Vanha Rauma brings in several new features and improvements Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163118 [20:24] TR Bot Sailfish OS Vanha Rauma brings in several new features and improvements | Tux Machines [20:24] TR News Debian 11.3 is so good, theres simply no reason to not use it Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163119 [20:24] TR Bot Debian 11.3 is so good, theres simply no reason to not use it | Tux Machines [20:25] bnchs saving you the details, about half of it is python [20:25] bnchs and the rest is c++ and c [20:26] bnchs my receiver uses this [20:26] TR News KDE Plasma 5.24.4, Bugfix Release for March http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163105#comment-33227 [20:26] TR Bot KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS Released with More Plasma Wayland Improvements, Other Fixes | Tux Machines [20:26] TR News Announcing the release of Fedora Linux 36 Beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163107#comment-33226 [20:26] TR Bot Fedora Linux 36 Beta Is Out with the GNOME 42 Desktop Environment and Linux Kernel 5.17 | Tux Machines [20:32] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:33] schestowitz-TR bnchs: if you don't mind me asking [20:33] schestowitz-TR (no need to answer) [20:34] schestowitz-TR when did you get introduced to freesw [20:34] schestowitz-TR and which projects [20:34] *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@km3w6imixyp52.irc) has joined #techrights [20:35] TR News How the WWW turned from OK to utter garbage (good talk, new) http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/nicholas-johnson-and-woichiech-kosior/ [20:35] TR Bot Nicholas Johnson and Woichiech Kosior: Taking back the Web | Techrights [20:35] TR News What top use instead of the WWW (where possible) http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/amin-bandali-small-web/ [20:35] TR Bot Amin Bandalis New Talk About the Net Beyond the Web (Including Gemini) | Techrights [20:39] *schestowitz-TR thinks it's difficult too attract younger people to freesw as most are brainwashed to be glued to dumbed down devices [20:40] schestowitz-TR and even to find youth with advanced computer knowledge [20:40] schestowitz-TR fsf need to work hard on this [20:41] bnchs schestowitz-TR: lets just say [20:41] bnchs i had a very old PC [20:41] activelow i would begin with z80/gigatron era, mathematics, physics, electronics [20:41] activelow and pencil and paper [20:41] bnchs and i was bored with windows [20:41] bnchs wanted to run a different OS [20:41] bnchs heard of this thing called linux mint [20:41] schestowitz-TR ah [20:41] schestowitz-TR mint [20:41] schestowitz-TR I tried it this past weekend again [20:41] bnchs i burned it into a USB and installed it [20:41] schestowitz-TR first time in ages [20:42] bnchs first time, wasnt lucky the USB was corrupted [20:42] bnchs but second time was successful [20:42] schestowitz-TR OK, so GNU/Linux was introduced to 'YOU' because of older machine [20:42] bnchs yes [20:42] bnchs and maybe because i was bored of windows [20:43] schestowitz-TR I started partly because of the Microsoft crimes [20:43] schestowitz-TR mid/late 90s [20:43] bnchs that machine ended up dying anyway because of the fried capacitors [20:43] schestowitz-TR they had to go extinct [20:43] schestowitz-TR their share decreased a lot since [20:43] bnchs even then i never stopped running GNU/Linux [20:43] schestowitz-TR but now we have other issues [20:43] activelow GNU/Linux isn't the same as 20years ago [20:43] bnchs even then before linux mint i think [20:44] bnchs i ran ubuntu on a VM to try it out [20:44] bnchs and tried using it entirely in a VM [20:44] schestowitz-TR you missed the harder days [20:44] schestowitz-TR when we struggled to get video to run [20:45] activelow gnu/linux isn't particularly attractive for educational purposes anymore, ms windows is totally unacceptable [20:45] bnchs i was a OS adventurer if you can say that [20:45] bnchs inspired by gulagtubers like OSfirsttimer [20:45] schestowitz-TR activelow: you use or study systemd predating us [20:45] schestowitz-TR before we were born [20:45] activelow schestowitz-TR: ? [20:46] activelow systemd is none of my concerns [20:46] schestowitz-TR back then gulagtube was better [20:46] schestowitz-TR it was starting to rot about 5 years ago [20:46] schestowitz-TR we don't know if it lost a lot of money [20:46] schestowitz-TR because gulag can hide that [20:46] schestowitz-TR since taking over 1.5 decades ago [20:47] bnchs so basically i was introduced to gnu/linux because i was bored of windows and wanted to explore other OSes and try out something new [20:50] bnchs i would like to thank people like OSfirsttimer for reviewing obscure OSes and most GNU/Linux distributions and seeing whats beyond just windows and mac [20:51] schestowitz-TR let's hope the corrupt officials get arrested [20:51] schestowitz-TR and windows is removed en masse [20:51] schestowitz-TR like schools in turkey [20:51] bnchs for letting me see whats beyond just windows and mac* [20:51] schestowitz-TR and then they hire the people who know how to deploy en masse and package [20:51] schestowitz-TR mac is nothing [20:51] schestowitz-TR it's just a worthless brand [20:52] schestowitz-TR and it means nothing to a lot of the world [20:52] bnchs mac is just rich people brand [20:52] schestowitz-TR outside norway, japan, and others to whom budget is not a constraint [20:52] schestowitz-TR apple is a fashion statement [20:54] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [20:56] *bnchs (~bnchs@8eqkv9jh5rjru.irc) has joined #techrights [20:57] bnchs OSes are like houses, or clothes or some shit [20:57] bnchs it gets boring to see everyone using and wearing the same shit [20:57] schestowitz-TR well, wait [20:57] schestowitz-TR what is OS in this context? [20:58] schestowitz-TR icons? [20:58] schestowitz-TR themes? [20:58] schestowitz-TR wallpapers? [20:58] schestowitz-TR programs? [20:58] schestowitz-TR libs? [20:58] schestowitz-TR OS is a holistic term [20:58] bnchs yeah [20:58] schestowitz-TR even some doors have OS [20:58] schestowitz-TR it's a small circuit [20:58] schestowitz-TR or complex one [20:58] schestowitz-TR like in hotels [20:58] schestowitz-TR where it reads some strip on a card [20:59] IPFS IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.51 k/sec., IPFS upstream 86.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 344.30 [20:59] *inky (~inky@5.77.199.56) has joined #techrights [20:59] bnchs all i remember was i got bored of using windows (because i was a kid interested in computers) and wanted to see other choices [20:59] schestowitz-TR you will reap the benefit [20:59] schestowitz-TR your country does not need MOAR windows BOOTERS ● Mar 29 [21:00] bnchs i ran tons of OSes in virtual machines [21:00] schestowitz-TR here in the uk we can do in one hour what some do in a day [21:01] bnchs i saw gnu/linux as a new breath of fresh air [21:02] *inky_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [21:02] bnchs i could explore more things than i couldnt do in windows [21:02] schestowitz-TR it is growing [21:02] schestowitz-TR apple seems to be shrinking [21:02] schestowitz-TR but they have a grip on media [21:02] schestowitz-TR same for microsoft [21:02] schestowitz-TR so the media misreports [21:04] activelow credible reporting about linux/gnu is rare [21:04] psydruid I just tell relatives who use Windows that they're on their own [21:04] bnchs young people dont wanna switch from what they use because of either [21:04] bnchs 1) baby duck syndrome [21:04] bnchs 2) fear of being isolated or singled out [21:05] psydruid most of the young ones can get used to anything [21:05] activelow and gnu/linux invested too much efforts to attract developers and users who better should have stayed elsewhere [21:05] activelow see, what happened to GCC for example [21:05] activelow i had preferred IBM Wintel clusterfucked their icc only, and didn't touch gcc for profiteering [21:05] schestowitz-TR https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of- [21:05] TR Bot ( status 404 @ https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of-/ ) [21:05] bnchs 404? [21:06] schestowitz-TR https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/insiders-say-apple-is-reducing-production-because-of-inflation [21:06] TR Bot reportedly slashing iPhone production on weak demand - Protocol [21:06] TR News Links 29/03/2022: KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS, Finnix 123, and Fedora Linux 36 Beta | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/fedora-linux-36-beta/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/29/fedora-linux-36-beta/ [21:06] TR Bot Links 29/03/2022: KDE Plasma 5.24.4 LTS, Finnix 123, and Fedora Linux 36 Beta | Techrights [21:07] bnchs psydruid: ok, but what about the fear of being singled out [21:07] bnchs business models like apple rely on kids being singled out for not having an iphone [21:08] bnchs they encourage and even help them by doing shit like imessage [21:09] TR News Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163120 [21:09] TR Bot Android Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:09] *techrights-ipfs-bot has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:10] TR News Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163121 [21:10] TR Bot Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:10] TR News Raspberry Pi Devices and Arduino Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163122 [21:10] TR Bot Raspberry Pi Devices and Arduino | Tux Machines [21:10] TR News IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163123 [21:10] TR Bot IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines [21:10] TR News Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163124 [21:10] *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@znahu4npa3evq.irc) has joined #techrights [21:10] TR Bot today's leftovers | Tux Machines [21:10] *SomeH4x0r has quit (Quit: siren) [21:11] DaemonFC I have an instance of Windows 98 with KernelEx minus IE+shit+memory leak shell. [21:12] schestowitz-TR what for? [21:12] schestowitz-TR when you have WINE... [21:12] bnchs have you ever thought of this [21:12] bnchs have you realized that [21:12] bnchs you need 3rd party tools to make windows usable [21:12] DaemonFC It doesn't take much to run it (the entire OS is about 95 MB at that point, fully installed). [21:13] bnchs i always kept it in my mind [21:13] DaemonFC On a real computer, the requirements dropped back down from a Pentium (fast one) to a 486. [21:13] DaemonFC Like Windows 95. [21:13] bnchs but i just realized that you always needed 3rd party hacks and tools to make windows even usable [21:14] DaemonFC I used RoM II SE because it was always freeware. [21:14] DaemonFC 98Lite/MELite are paid shareware, and I asked Shane Brooks about whether he was still making money a few years ago. [21:14] DaemonFC He said some people were still buying it and paying him for support because they wanted to use Windows 98 as an embedded OS. [21:15] bnchs its always these proprietary hacks like shutup10 [21:15] DaemonFC My dad was asking me about how to set up Windows 98 like that and to get it to run a modern web browser. [21:16] bnchs the thing is, had these tools not existed, windows would have been much worse off [21:16] DaemonFC I managed to run him through the process of keeping his wife's PC that came with Windows 98 perfectly usable through about 2013. [21:16] DaemonFC He'd found some RAM modules on the cheap and I had to guide him through running Windows 98 on a computer with 2 GB of RAM without crashing due to the "insufficient memory to start Windows" error. [21:17] DaemonFC After all of the modifications, it ran fine and loaded LibreOffice and newer Firefox and Opera. [21:17] bnchs was it worth it? [21:17] bnchs i mean even my 1GB computer ran linux mint just fine [21:17] DaemonFC Well, it did everything she needed it to, so there was no reason to get rid of it as long as it worked. [21:18] bnchs i mean as in w98 [21:18] bnchs was it worth doing tons of hacks in w98 [21:18] DaemonFC Finally, obviously, Windows 98 became unserviceable. Not really because you could not extend it further, but becauset the hardware it worked on natively aged and crashed and few developers of things like KernelEx had systems to develop on anymore, or lost interest. [21:18] DaemonFC was it worth doing tons of hacks in w98 [21:18] DaemonFC He's a real cheapskate, you know. [21:19] activelow w98 was MS-DOS [21:19] DaemonFC It had the driver model of Windows 2000 (WDM). [21:19] DaemonFC So I actually installed it onto some XP-era PCs I had. [21:19] DaemonFC Intel looked for the Windows version and exited out if it got Windows 98 in response. [21:20] DaemonFC So I unpacked the WDM drivers for those chipsets from Windows XP and installed them anyway using the INFs, and Windows 98 recognized them and brought up the hardware. [21:20] DaemonFC I mean, everything worked. [21:21] DaemonFC And it was quite stable by the time I gutted the operating system of the antitrust crap (web shell) and IE, which wasn't as integrated as they lied about in court. [21:21] DaemonFC Windows 98 developed a reputation for instability mainly due to two reasons, in my experience. [21:21] DaemonFC Continued usage of vxd drivers instead of WDM, and the addition of the "Shell Update" and Internet Explorer and Friends. [21:23] DaemonFC In the first case, those were basically "Windows-ified" DOS device drivers, and in the latter case, the Shell Update and IE were poorly written, bloated, and full of bugs (especially memory leaks and resource leaks, which would crash the Windows 98 kernel). [21:23] DaemonFC Without IE and the Shell Update, (using the Windows 95 B Shell instead), Windows was actually pretty good at managing the resource heaps. [21:23] *inky_ (~inky@46.36.114.138) has joined #techrights [21:24] DaemonFC But with the Shell Update and IE installed, it would just sit there and leak from the resource heaps, until the OS crashed, even if you did not do anything except boot the computer and leave it alone. [21:24] DaemonFC You could bring up the Resource Monitor and watch it leak until the BSoD came up and the computer needed to restart. [21:25] activelow i can't remember anything good about win98, except it required less RAM to present the useless GUI desktop [21:25] DaemonFC Windows 98 wasn't really that unreliable except that orders from Bill to crush Netscape by whatever means necessary had stuff hamfisted in on top of it that caused it to crash, which were allegedly integrated. [21:26] kingoffrance ^ the only thing i ever saw use "active desktop" was ads for disney, nbc, essentially just links to websites. maybe years later the modern "start menu" is what they were shooting for [21:26] DaemonFC I had a website that walked people through removing Internet Explorer, step by step, and replacing it with the Windows 95 B shell, which I zipped up and hosted. [21:26] *inky has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [21:26] DaemonFC ^ the only thing i ever saw use "active desktop" was ads for disney, nbc, essentially just links to websites. maybe years later the modern "start menu" is what they were shooting for [21:26] DaemonFC iexplore -channelband [21:27] DaemonFC Removed in IE 8 I think. [21:27] kingoffrance :) i just mean in theory there was some "customization" possible (not that i think it is something i would want) ...in practice who even used that except for ads? *maybe* some "news" or "weather" [21:27] DaemonFC I think IE 7 still brought up the Active Channels thing, but it was blank and by that point the format had failed. [21:27] kingoffrance i mean in theory, that would be fully skinnable, more than just colors and fonts and sizes. again, not saying that is a good idea [21:28] kingoffrance it just seems like it was pushed on people, noone really wanted it [21:28] DaemonFC Well, Active Desktop let you make a website your wallpaper. [21:28] kingoffrance you had the same "html-ized" file manager thing [21:28] DaemonFC It did it by opening Internet Explorer in a headless mode and pushing it back behind your desktop icons. [21:28] DaemonFC It was really terrible. [21:29] DaemonFC They put it there just for more "evidence" of how "integrated" IE allegedly was. [21:29] activelow always created a floppy-disk, to boot straight to DOS without w311, w95, w98 GUI [21:29] DaemonFC I had litestep as my shell at one point. [21:30] DaemonFC So I mean, I never really did like Explorer, but at least the one from Windows 95 was usable. [21:30] DaemonFC Most people had 640 x 480 or 800 x 600 or 1024 x 768 at best. [21:30] activelow later then, Office was important, to write useless papers, and html stuff; a new glorious era of computing [21:30] DaemonFC So what does Microsoft do? Puts IE-style LARGE buttons in the file browser. [21:31] DaemonFC I measured it at 800 x 600 on a typical monitor at one point. [21:31] DaemonFC If you used buttons that size in a program, they were using up about 15% of your display....for BUTTONS. [21:32] DaemonFC And now that we have more display area and higher resolutions than ever, they make the buttons really tiny. [21:32] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, The Sheriff's department was out here earlier. [21:32] DaemonFC THey walked in and left a red letter taped to someone's door. [21:33] DaemonFC Whatever that is, can't be good. Just glad it had nothing to do with me. :/ [21:33] kingoffrance yes, and last i checked after rearraning everything, floppy for save was kept. sometimes it seems they are just fucking with ppl [21:33] DaemonFC If you want to fuck with someone in their 20s just hand them a floppy disk and tell them you 3d printed the save icon. [21:36] activelow are there any 56k modem dialup ISPs remaining? [21:36] DaemonFC Yes. [21:37] DaemonFC There's still some dialup ISPs in the US and there's still some BBS operators. [21:37] DaemonFC Elon Musk is getting a lot of that rural broadband money to do Starlink. [21:37] DaemonFC For the rural porn addict. [21:38] DaemonFC I assume they probably can't tell if you're pirating if you do it over a VPN, though if you're not on the VPN, they're one of the most aggressive ISPs about disconnecting pirates. [21:38] DaemonFC I kind of want Starlink so I can say I'm a space pirate. [21:39] activelow satellite is expensive, they can't waste a single bit/s [21:39] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, There's apparently a program and browser that can archive and compress entire sites. [21:39] TR News # A Call to Packagers gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-03-29-call_to_packagers.gmi "As I use Offpunk everyday, I feel like the experience is more and more polished." [21:39] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:39] DaemonFC All of Wikipedia is apparently about 96 GB in this format. [21:40] schestowitz-TR sounds large [21:40] schestowitz-TR all languages? [21:40] schestowitz-TR and text only? [21:41] DaemonFC Blu Ray rips into AV1 and Opus are actually less wasteful of bandwidth than Netfucks. [21:41] DaemonFC Netflix, Spotify, Apple Music, etc. are a great big streaming pile of shit. [21:41] MinceR (cat) https://imgur.com/t/cats/XQOJRjy [21:41] TR Bot panther memories - Album on Imgur [21:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://imgur.com/t/cats/XQOJRjy [21:42] activelow so true [21:42] DaemonFC You can rip a Blu Ray disc into a little over 1 GB in GOOD quality, or you can stream it from Netfucks or something if they even have it at all, in a video codec from 2003 and an audio codec from 1997. [21:42] DaemonFC And use about 10 times more bandwidth, and download it again every time you watch it. [21:43] activelow simple calculus: PAL-resolution, let's say 640x480, divide 1920x1080/640x480 then this is the amount of higher bandwith required [21:43] *immibis has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [21:43] DaemonFC sounds large [21:43] DaemonFC all languages? [21:43] DaemonFC and text only? [21:43] activelow and PAL resolution/DVD was good [21:43] DaemonFC Not sure. JWZ said he downloaded all of Wikipedia into that format. [21:44] activelow echo "(1920*1080)/(640*480)" | bc -l [21:45] DaemonFC https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/02/today-is-the-end-of-mask-mandates-which-is-why-my-tests-finally-arrived/ [21:45] TR Bot jwz: Today is the end of mask mandates, which is why my tests finally arrived. [21:45] *bnchs (~bnchs@uyvqe3kv8vs3u.irc) has joined #techrights [21:45] DaemonFC GET BACK TO WORK [21:45] DaemonFC LOL [21:45] bnchs god damn it [21:45] bnchs starlink light pollution [21:45] bnchs the problem for astronomers they dont want you to know [21:46] DaemonFC "And in case you hadn't tried it yet: no, you cannot order 4 tests each month. You get 4. Period." [21:46] DaemonFC Yeah, I have my ways. [21:46] *immibis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:46] DaemonFC I got 31 tests. [21:46] bnchs you can download wikipedia all on a hard drive? [21:46] bnchs all life's knowledge on a hard drive [21:46] bnchs awesome [21:47] activelow well yes, a computer 10x faster, or higher data rate, is required to catch up with the higher resolution only [21:47] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [21:47] XRevan86 Looks like Ovsyannikova presents herself like a dissident, goes to Italian talk shows (via VVoIP) [21:47] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [21:47] XRevan86 Do they realise it's impossible to be a Russian dissident from Moscow? [21:48] bnchs XRevan86: if you excluded that VVoIP [21:48] bnchs i would have said thats retarded [21:48] XRevan86 Some people bashed her unjustly, now I see people glorifying her. [21:49] DaemonFC https://www.kiwix.org/en/about/ [21:49] TR Bot What is Kiwix? [21:49] bnchs >glorifying her [21:49] XRevan86 She got off the hook, that by default means that she's on the hook in some way. [21:49] bnchs you mean simping [21:49] XRevan86 bnchs: No, respecting her opinion. [21:49] bnchs oh [21:49] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, Mostly useful if you (1) live in a third world country, (2) are currently being invaded by Russians, or (3) have T-Mobile and do not know when the Internet will be working. [21:49] XRevan86 like she's an opposition figure [21:50] bnchs DaemonFC: if i had russians on my ass [21:50] bnchs i wouldnt use starlink [21:50] bnchs (meme internet infrastructure) [21:50] DaemonFC schestowitz-TR, I'm running an experiment. [21:51] bnchs it only takes a few missiles to get rid of the satellites [21:51] DaemonFC I hid Mandy's Apple Watch. [21:51] bnchs make them fall of the sky [21:51] DaemonFC I'm seeing how long it takes him to notice and panic. [21:51] bnchs DaemonFC: why are you married to a iToddler [21:51] bnchs again? [21:51] DaemonFC Lapse in sanity. [21:52] XRevan86 bnchs: I mean it in a sense that it seems some Western media thinks like she can't be compromised. [21:52] XRevan86 * think [21:52] bnchs XRevan86: simps [21:52] bnchs like that right? [21:52] XRevan86 Romantics maybe. [21:53] bnchs exactly like that [21:53] kingoffrance subjective, objective :D [21:53] bnchs they're like white knights doing this for a piece of dat pussy [21:54] bnchs definition of simp [21:54] XRevan86 I don't think that's what's happening [21:55] bnchs well idk [21:55] bnchs but it does seem like that for me [21:55] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: i totally agree with jwz [21:55] schestowitz-TR we are he same [21:55] schestowitz-TR I've just read it [21:55] schestowitz-TR we got 19 more tests [21:55] schestowitz-TR used 2 of 21 [21:55] schestowitz-TR we get no more, not for free [21:56] schestowitz-TR last day is thursday [21:56] kingoffrance let me rephrase: action, reaction [21:56] schestowitz-TR and they already ran out of stock about 2 weeks afgo [21:56] schestowitz-TR *Ago [21:57] schestowitz-TR also, he wastes his money living in sf [21:57] kingoffrance i think is built into "western media". they ask for commentators "reaction" [21:57] kingoffrance *this is [21:57] schestowitz-TR but as mozilla papa he can afford it [21:57] schestowitz-TR ours needs 2 drops, not 3 [21:58] schestowitz-TR [21:51] I hid Mandy's Apple Watch. [21:58] schestowitz-TR oh,. shit,he's under watcxh by apll,e [21:58] schestowitz-TR what did he DO? [21:58] schestowitz-TR it's the chic version of ankle bracelet [21:58] schestowitz-TR like rich people rick allen jones [21:59] DaemonFC Well, Mr. GOOLAG can apparently afford to live in Shit City and hire shysters. [21:59] *immibis has quit (Remote host closed the connection) [21:59] DaemonFC Shitty Shysters from Shit City [21:59] *immibis has quit (connection closed) [21:59] *immibis (~hexchat@62.156.144.218) has joined #techrights [21:59] *immibis (~hexchat@acad4bt9wne9w.irc) has joined #techrights [21:59] DaemonFC THERE IS A PILE......OF HUMAN SHIT.....ON THIS SIDEWALK! ● Mar 29 [22:00] DaemonFC *reports it on app* [22:00] DaemonFC MAYOR BREED needs another APP to report all of the drug needles as well. [22:00] DaemonFC Maybe they can get 50,000 complaints in that one. [22:02] DaemonFC So maybe if Mr. GOOLAG would move out of Hepatitis Central, he could see real America isn't one of his cartoonish liberal hallucinations. [22:05] TR News ICBM looking for volunteers (don't say "slaves" though) https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/help-us-test-fedora-linux-36-beta-wallpaper/ [22:05] TR Bot Help Us Test Fedora Linux 36 Beta wallpaper Fedora Community Blog [22:06] TR News No, it was down due to MICROSOFT, the criminals' company https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770333/notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-main-forum-down-due-to-ddos/ [22:06] Alternative link Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770333/notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-main-forum-down-due-to-ddos/ [22:06] TR Bot NOTICE FOR ALL PUPPY LINUX USERS - main forum down due to DDOS... - Linux & Unix [22:07] TR News Automate RHEL web console deployments with the Cockpit and certificate RHEL System Roles https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/automate-rhel-web-console-deployments-cockpit-and-certificate-rhel-system-roles Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux [22:07] TR Bot Automate RHEL web console deployments with the Cockpit and certificate RHEL System Roles [22:07] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Who have I hired? [22:11] TR News AMD ads/spam https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1 you don't need this power sink to run GNU/Linux http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/ [22:11] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1 [22:11] TR Bot Early Look At The Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Performance On AMD Ryzen 9 5950X + RX 6800 - Phoronix [22:11] TR Bot When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights [22:13] DaemonFC https://wgntv.com/news/orlando-freefall-manual-shows-teen-exceeded-weight-limit/ [22:13] TR Bot Orlando FreeFall manual shows teen exceeded weight limit | WGN-TV [22:13] DaemonFC If they weighed people, they'd probably be in even more trouble. [22:13] DaemonFC You can tell by looking at him that he must have weighed about 350 pounds at least. [22:14] DaemonFC But I suppose their first clue should have been when nobody could get the harness to latch. So they just put him on the ride anyway? [22:15] TR News It is important for free software to use free software infrastructure Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163125 [22:15] TR Bot It is important for free software to use free software infrastructure | Tux Machines [22:15] TR News "There is a HUGE myth going around that you don't need to use terminal. While on the surface this is true, as soon as you start using your Linux install, you will realize that you absolutely can NOT live without terminal for daily usage." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NdHjsT3FK8w [22:15] TR Bot Terminal is NEEDED to use Linux - Invidious [22:15] DaemonFC A pettifogger. [22:15] DaemonFC Wow, I learned a word today. [22:16] bnchs DaemonFC: teen exceeded weight limit? [22:16] DaemonFC DaemonFC: teen exceeded weight limit? [22:17] DaemonFC Anyone that is so fat that you can't get the harness to secure should be told to leave the ride. [22:17] bnchs yeeaahh [22:17] bnchs but whats the limit [22:17] TR News "The grep command - one of the most popular Linux commands, and definitely deserving of a feature video in the Linux Essentials series. In this video, Jay goes over the basics of the grep command, along with some useful examples." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Tc_jntovCM0 [22:17] TR Bot Linux Essentials - The grep Command - Invidious [22:17] DaemonFC "According to documents obtained by WFLA, the operations manual lists the maximum weight for the ride as less than 287 pounds." [22:17] bnchs lol i was that much once as a teen too [22:17] bnchs maybe because i was always sitting my ass on the computer [22:18] DaemonFC I see Moochelle Obummer's school lunch program didn't help him much. [22:18] DaemonFC Here kid, have some celery and a quarter portion of "whole grain pizza" that looks like semen-dipped maggots. [22:19] DaemonFC That 400 pound 14 year old over there ruined it for the whole school, you know. [22:19] bnchs i always envy'd americans for having school lunch served to them [22:19] bnchs but then i realized it was a load of shit [22:19] schestowitz-TR it's not free [22:19] schestowitz-TR it's prepaid [22:19] bnchs yeah [22:20] bnchs with taxes [22:20] schestowitz-TR i'd rather pay for food I like [22:20] schestowitz-TR and when I want to [22:20] schestowitz-TR no "well, it's already paid for, I'm not hungry, but I'll eat anyway" [22:20] bnchs DaemonFC: the kid who would hoard up the vending machine [22:20] DaemonFC It was so completely disgusting in the 1990s that I didn't buy it and pocketed the lunch money. Then the school administrators hauled me into the office and threatened they'd arrest my parents for "neglect" if I didn't buy the lunch and toss it in the trash. They said I could chuck it, but I had to buy one so they'd get their money from the feds. [22:20] schestowitz-TR when I started university my hall of residence contract came with meals [22:20] schestowitz-TR we had to wear gowns too [22:20] kingoffrance well it was funny because when i got to high school, vending machine, pizza hut cut some deal to sell slices, ......... [22:20] DaemonFC I said, "Do I look like my parents don't feed me?". They said it didn't matter. [22:20] schestowitz-TR for dinner, not breakfast [22:20] schestowitz-TR a matter or british tradition [22:20] *techrights_guest|19 (~be943363@54n9xgft8g6u2.irc) has joined #techrights [22:21] schestowitz-TR the second and third year I took "brwakfast only" contract [22:21] *techrights_guest|19 has quit (Quit: Connection closed) [22:21] DaemonFC "Buy it or we'll arrest your parents on trumped up charges. WE WANT MONEY!" [22:21] schestowitz-TR no guilt over unfinished meals [22:21] bnchs kingoffrance: eating like a king [22:21] DaemonFC -National School Lunch Program [22:21] *matey (~matey@aiadcdmkaek4w.irc) has joined #techrights [22:21] bnchs or like a fatass [22:21] schestowitz-TR hi, matey [22:21] schestowitz-TR wanted to tell you something but forgot again [22:21] schestowitz-TR it must have been unimportanyt [22:21] schestowitz-TR otherwise I make mental note or write it down [22:21] DaemonFC Some schools pass out "free" lunch if most of the kids are so poor they qualify for the free or reduced price program anyway. [22:22] schestowitz-TR food is cheaper in bulk [22:22] schestowitz-TR but the quality assurance is low, too [22:22] DaemonFC Even at $1.15, it wasn't worth it unless you raced to the lunchroom to get a chef salad before they ran out. [22:22] DaemonFC Otherwise it was "diarrhea in a bag" spaghetti. [22:22] bnchs DaemonFC: have you ever had a kid order pizza to school? [22:22] schestowitz-TR maybe parents don't knopw hopw to cook [22:22] schestowitz-TR or forgot how to [22:22] schestowitz-TR so the kids are left malnourished [22:22] DaemonFC DaemonFC: have you ever had a kid order pizza to school? [22:22] schestowitz-TR the state steps in [22:23] DaemonFC Yeah, I did it all the time when my parents put me in private school finally. Thank god. [22:23] schestowitz-TR and never gives parents the opportunity to feed the kids [22:23] bnchs DaemonFC: what did you order [22:23] DaemonFC It was one classroom and there were restaurants and a supermarket with a deli counter. [22:24] schestowitz-TR the shops at my school sold really rubbish food [22:24] DaemonFC All kinds of good stuff. Mace's Supermarket had a VERY good deli, there were diners all over the place, Penguin Point (a small fast food chain in Indiana), Pizza King (a regional pizza place). [22:24] schestowitz-TR except one, where they had low-cost hot dogs in a bun [22:24] bnchs i bet you were called the fatass [22:24] DaemonFC There was all sorts of good stuff to eat there because the RCA factory was nearby too. [22:24] DaemonFC It's where all the factory workers phoned their lunch orders into. [22:24] DaemonFC So each day before lunch I'd just call down somewhere and tell them what I wanted. [22:25] schestowitz-TR RCA was sold, right? [22:25] schestowitz-TR I got an RCA tuner in the 1990s [22:25] matey Tue 18:34:32 kingoffrance thats also samson or whoever gets a hair cut and loses his magical powers [22:25] DaemonFC RCA was sold to GE, which asset stripped it. They wanted government contracts. So they sold the Consumer Electronics division to Thomson (Technicolor SA now, bankrupt). [22:25] matey yep, delilah cut it all off [22:26] DaemonFC They ran it for a while, then fired the engineers, then the plant workers a few years later in stages. [22:26] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: now patent-trolling [22:26] DaemonFC Finally, the HR director about a year later. She was the last employee there and just tying up loose ends. [22:26] DaemonFC Then someone mysteriously committed arson (again) and they made a huge insurance claim. [22:27] DaemonFC That was the second time at the second building. [22:27] schestowitz-TR thankfully us unemployement is very very low now [22:27] schestowitz-TR say economists [22:27] schestowitz-TR in bill's guardian [22:27] DaemonFC In Gas City, the town near Marion, they set fire to a picture tube warehouse and got an insurance check. [22:27] schestowitz-TR Gas City? [22:27] DaemonFC I remember looking over from the park in like 1998 and seeing black smoke billowing up into the air. [22:27] DaemonFC Gas City? [22:28] schestowitz-TR "I swear it wasn't me" city [22:28] DaemonFC Yes, there was lots of natural gas found in the area in the late 1800s. [22:28] DaemonFC So they renamed it from Harrisburg, Indiana. [22:28] DaemonFC Then they squandered the gas by lighting towers of it on fire 24 hours a day to prove it would never run out. [22:28] DaemonFC Then it caused a void collapse and they couldn't get to the rest of it. [22:29] matey Then it caused a void collapse and they couldn't get to the rest of it. <- maybe they were ddosed [22:29] matey and github shut it down [22:30] schestowitz-TR [22:06] No, it was down due to MICROSOFT, the criminals' company https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770333/notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-main-forum-down-due-to-ddos/ [22:30] Alternative link Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/770333/notice-for-all-puppy-linux-users-main-forum-down-due-to-ddos/ [22:30] TR Bot NOTICE FOR ALL PUPPY LINUX USERS - main forum down due to DDOS... - Linux & Unix [22:30] bnchs puppy linux [22:31] schestowitz-TR sometimes we duffer ddos attacks [22:31] bnchs "account suspended" [22:31] schestowitz-TR I should learn from microsoft [22:31] bnchs they obviously got hacked [22:31] schestowitz-TR sudo shutdown poweroff etc. [22:31] schestowitz-TR problem solved [22:31] schestowitz-TR never knew it was THAT easy [22:31] bnchs would you? [22:31] schestowitz-TR thanks, Satan Nuttela [22:31] bnchs could you? [22:31] bnchs to puppy linux? [22:31] bnchs satan nutella [22:32] matey note that people were moving to github to ESCAPE ddos attacks [22:32] matey so someone finally attacks someone relying on github, and they get their account taken down. [22:32] schestowitz-TR ddi you see the github letter tro remove satan? [22:32] schestowitz-TR for his sexism? [22:32] DaemonFC You'd think that Microsoft demonstrating that they'd ruin your project with no warning due to frivolous DMCA take downs would compel people to use hosting OUTSIDE of the United States. [22:32] DaemonFC Or better, self-host. [22:32] matey i thought satan was in charge of github [22:33] matey not the indian one, the REAL one [22:33] matey "real" one [22:33] AdmFubar https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang/ [22:33] Alternative link Cloudflare: trendoceans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang/ [22:33] TR Bot BhaiLang: A toy programming language syntaxes use Hindi slang - TREND OCEANS [22:33] matey ok its actually hillary, but we all knew that [22:33] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2020/07/30/microsoft-gender-equality/ [22:33] TR Bot Microsoft Gender (In)Equality: Women Dont Ask for Raises | Techrights [22:33] DaemonFC Being beyond the reach of US law is the only way to be safe. [22:33] matey https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang <- already knows where its hosted [22:33] Alternative link Cloudflare: trendoceans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://trendoceans.com/bhailang-a-toy-programming-language-syntaxes-use-hindi-slang [22:33] DaemonFC The country is literally getting more like Russia by the minute. [22:33] schestowitz satan know lots of rich people? [22:34] bnchs durgasoft certified language [22:34] bnchs please redeem the gulag play store card [22:34] bnchs and do not move the mouse please [22:34] leah matey: in anser to your statement the other day: i'm not a gnu developer [22:34] leah i happen to work with some gnu code, but i don't consider myself part of gnu in any way [22:34] leah though, the gnu project is great [22:35] schestowitz-TR :) [22:35] bnchs i once used gnu cgicc [22:35] bnchs for a fastcgi project [22:35] bnchs lots of package managers didn't have it so i manually compiled and installed it [22:35] bnchs plus it was abandoned [22:35] DaemonFC OKAY GOOLAG! WHAT IS THIS GIGANTIC SORE ON MY PENIS? [22:35] bnchs DaemonFC: penile cancer [22:36] DaemonFC The Great Pox, you know. [22:36] bnchs consider yourself dead in less than a hour [22:36] DaemonFC :) [22:36] leah i really just don't generally enjoy working with big upstreams. if i have something to contribute though, i'll submit it [22:36] matey matey: in anser to your statement the other day: i'm not a gnu developer <- thats what i said you would say [22:36] matey and i suppose its technically true at this point [22:37] bnchs do not lookup penile cancer [22:37] DaemonFC Thanks to the Goolag app I can see what people in my area are Goolaging. [22:37] bnchs fuck fuck fuck [22:37] DaemonFC There was stuff about Lady Gaga and Bruce Jenner this morning. [22:37] bnchs i'm blind right now [22:37] leah it's more fun to take a little piece out of the whole and do your own thing with it [22:37] bnchs why did i do it [22:37] matey imo the best thing anyone can do for gnu is salvage a piece of it [22:38] schestowitz-TR bnchs: put it on alexa [22:38] DaemonFC Mr. GOOLAG says I'm misgendering. [22:38] schestowitz-TR add "sent to mom" [22:38] matey leah what do you think of mike gerwitz-- also this is not a trick question, also do not answer if you dont want to (which you wont, but yknow) [22:38] DaemonFC He's obviously never heard "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.". [22:38] bnchs alexa, send a picture of vaginal cancer to my mom [22:38] leah matey: in fact, i think mike is great [22:38] psydruid > psydruid: ok, but what about the fear of being singled out [22:38] psydruid the market here is diverse enough that no one cares anymore. I see Android, iOS, macOS, GNU/Linux and Windows being used by all kinds of people and there are no clear winners. [22:39] leah i spoke to him for a bit last year in fsf's minetest server, during lp2021 [22:39] leah mike is cool [22:39] matey matey: in fact, i think mike is great <- i watched his lp talk today [22:39] AdmFubar https://www.propublica.org/article/ftc-sues-to-stop-deceptive-turbotax-free-ad-campaign#1288909 [22:39] matey i went in with low expectations, there were some good points [22:39] Alternative link Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/ftc-sues-to-stop-deceptive-turbotax-free-ad-campaign#1288909 [22:39] TR Bot FTC Sues to Stop Deceptive TurboTax Free Ad Campaign ProPublica [22:39] leah what did he talk about? [22:39] bnchs ftc? [22:39] leah i only watched the sxmo talk in lp2022 [22:39] matey well it was the topic itself that made me sceptical, it was about the "ethics void" [22:39] bnchs can i please get a radio license [22:39] leah i know the dev [22:40] DaemonFC The question from Senator Martha Blackburn from Tennessee about what a woman is seemed straightforward enough. It was a gotcha question though. Mr. GOOLAG acts like Q from Star Trek in that episode where he was cast out of the Continuum and unable to use any of his powers. [22:40] bnchs my gobernment wont give me one [22:40] leah helped him install osboot on his x230 the other day [22:40] matey nice [22:40] matey so he has the cool boot screen? [22:40] DaemonFC "Easy! You just change the fundamental nature of the universe!" [22:40] schestowitz-TR mike seems good to me [22:40] leah matey: https://pleroma.debian.social/notice/AHilBdMzhYstNXVa64 [22:40] -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pleroma.debian.social [22:40] leah good guy [22:40] schestowitz-TR matey was playing devil's advocate, which is a healthy approach [22:41] matey matey was playing devil's advocate <- not even [22:41] schestowitz http://techrights.org/2022/03/26/mike-gerwitz-ethics/ [22:41] TR Bot Mike Gerwitz on the Ethics Void | Techrights [22:41] matey i saw a pattern and i thought "oh no, fuck" [22:41] DaemonFC It seems like so many liberals have absolutely no idea of how facts work, are so scientifically illiterate, that this is how they try to solve problems. [22:41] leah hang on [22:41] AdmFubar https://www.propublica.org/article/how-your-shadow-credit-score-could-decide-whether-you-get-an-apartment#1286755 [22:41] Alternative link Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/how-your-shadow-credit-score-could-decide-whether-you-get-an-apartment#1286755 [22:41] TR Bot How Your Shadow Credit Score Could Decide Whether You Get an Apartment ProPublica [22:41] matey and then i checked to see if i was right [22:41] leah wait a minute [22:41] matey i often prefer to be wrong [22:41] leah anjan linked to osboot in his post [22:41] DaemonFC You redefine the nature of the universe, even though you can't. [22:41] leah but just "osboot" [22:41] bnchs admfubar: so basically like social control media [22:41] leah i didn't know you could do that on mastodon. link stuff without just simply pasting the url [22:41] bnchs how bad you are [22:41] DaemonFC You want to solve Climate Change? Easy. Change the fundamental nature of the universe so you can get more than 150 miles out of a battery car in winter. [22:41] bnchs you get shadowbanned [22:41] bnchs or suspended [22:42] bnchs or even IPbanned entirely [22:42] leah ok, looks like you just use and asked him to do his dog while he films [23:15] leah i actually agree with mjg59_ [23:15] DaemonFC which made it sound like maybe it was a setup [23:15] DaemonFC Probably. [23:15] leah without copyright, you'd still have restrictions on things [23:15] DaemonFC A world without copyright isn't necessarily one where we retain the same level of access to source code [23:15] matey cant find it [23:15] DaemonFC Without copyright on source code, they could still obscure the source code. [23:15] leah mjg59_: wouldn't basically all code be permissive without copyright? [23:15] schestowitz-TR [23:11] spoiler alert: angry cat is dead [23:15] DaemonFC You'd just have the right to reverse engineer it without hiding that. [23:15] schestowitz-TR grumpy [23:15] mjg59_ leah: Yeah [23:16] matey grumpy <- yes, grumpy [23:16] leah which, tbh, i mean the power of a free software project is the number of eyes on it [23:16] *psymin has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:16] matey but bashful and sneezy cat are still around [23:16] mjg59_ leah: But it means that people who currently provide access to source code under non-free licenses would have more incentive not to provide that [23:16] bnchs ok [23:16] bnchs matey: longcat [23:16] leah mjg59_: what if you introduced some opt-in copyleft legislation? [23:16] matey bnchs: is still loooooooong [23:16] mjg59_ leah: Would the argument be that you should be entitled to some degree of protection if there's a public benefit associated with it? [23:16] leah get rid of copyright, but introduce a legal framework (international convention) for copyleft, where if you declare copyleft on a work, the same sort of rules apply [23:17] leah but otherwise, everything is permissive by default [23:17] schestowitz-TR leah: it's one of many [23:17] leah i actually think that would be a really good thing [23:17] schestowitz-TR the eyes thing [23:17] schestowitz-TR that's an "open source" talking point [23:17] schestowitz-TR focusing on "transparency" of code [23:17] schestowitz-TR or "Quality"| [23:17] schestowitz-TR not freedom aspects [23:17] DaemonFC Microsoft's co-pilot is plagiarism. [23:17] leah i'm generally anti-copyleft but i do think having a copyleft framework in law would be good [23:17] DaemonFC It's copyright infringement for certain. [23:17] mjg59_ leah: I think the risk here is something like what happened with patents - nominally giving people some additional right to control something they produce in return for providing public benefit [23:18] leah i used to believe in universal copyleft by law, but i still think having a formal copyleft framework in law would be great [23:18] DaemonFC And even if it wasn't, it's been shown to recommend that you put lots of bugs in your code. [23:18] leah to replace copyright [23:18] leah but make it opt-in [23:18] *psymin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [23:18] leah copyright meanwhile is opt-out, and gpl sort of hacks copyright law [23:18] *psymin (~psymin@me3biw7mdts84.irc) has joined #techrights [23:18] *psymin has quit (connection closed) [23:18] DaemonFC I doubt even Google would do something so obviously illegal as Microsoft Co-Pilot. [23:18] mjg59_ leah: But over time that being heavily influenced by vested interests in ways that reduce the public benefit while granting more rights to the people who already have power [23:18] TR News Simplicity of Gemini and insistence on a lack of features does not make it for ricers or patronising geeks; au contraire it makes it a lot more approachable to many more people http://techrights.org/2022/03/29/net-least-complexity-principles/ [23:18] TR Bot Gemini Makes Things Easier, Not Harder, by Adhering to a Least Complexity Principle | Techrights [23:19] leah mjg59_: i think having a formal copyleft framework in law would benefit society [23:19] matey /me thinks that having most of human culture from 1911 to the present locked up just so theres slightly more incentive to release source code is a shitty compromise [23:19] mjg59_ leah: I think it's an interesting idea [23:19] mjg59_ I worry it'd be hard to formalise in a way that didn't have negative consequences [23:19] leah mjg59_: and existing permissive projects would be basically unaffected [23:19] DaemonFC In a way, proprietary software being copyrighted is good. [23:19] leah mjg59_: the law could take into account existing copyleft licenses under copyright [23:19] mjg59_ Anyway, I need to go and do teaching prep [23:19] leah and "assimilate" them [23:19] DaemonFC It's usually more buggy than Free Software, by 30-40%, something like that. [23:19] leah existing copyleft works would remain so, but under the new law [23:20] DaemonFC Would you want it if you could use it? [23:20] matey Would you want it if you could use it <- if yo ucould use it, some of it could be fixed [23:20] schestowitz-TR DaemonFC: hence the secrecy [23:20] leah mjg59_: oh, you teach now? [23:20] schestowitz-TR "our power is that we hide the loq quality and defects" [23:20] leah college students i mean [23:20] schestowitz-TR no incentive to improve that, either [23:20] matey granted most of it would just be abandoned [23:20] mjg59_ leah: Yeah I teach OS security at Berkeley [23:20] leah cool! [23:20] DaemonFC Mary Jo Foley, before ZDNet went full shitpost. [23:20] DaemonFC Windows 2000 and the 56,000 bugs. [23:21] schestowitz-TR zdnet has made cuts [23:21] leah mjg59_: you're cool now. i automatically respect anyone who works in education [23:21] leah education is a noble profession [23:21] schestowitz-TR not many articles there anymore [23:21] schestowitz-TR lots of their 'articles' are webspam [23:21] mjg59_ leah: I'm super part time, it's one class a week [23:21] DaemonFC No, bragging about how McDonalds will spy on people and make them more obese and cut jobs using "AI". [23:21] matey education is a noble profession <- in theory [23:21] leah ok [23:21] mjg59_ But they gave me an award for it, so that's nice [23:22] leah teaching is what i want to do, one day [23:22] leah just have to get an actual degree first [23:22] leah all my knowledge and skill is self-taught [23:22] MinceR 29 234150 < DaemonFC> You want to solve Climate Change? Easy. Change the fundamental nature of the universe so you can get more than 150 miles out of a battery car in winter. [23:22] MinceR just put a ZPM in it [23:23] leah put solar panels on every roof [23:23] leah the british government was doing that, back in 2010 [23:23] matey leah: before debian went stupid i was writing a curriculum for refurbishing used machines with debian [23:23] leah offering free solar panels to everyone [23:23] schestowitz-TR use solar panels to mold solar panels :-) [23:23] mjg59_ leah: Oh, I wouldn't worry too much about the degree - they're letting me do this despite my degrees being in genetics [23:23] matey for a nightclass. [23:23] schestowitz-TR and use solar panels to mine the materials [23:23] matey i could have taught that without a degree [23:24] DaemonFC Put solar panels on the sidewalks in San Francisco and then spray off the 50,000 piles of human shit per year so mjg59_ doesn't step in any by mistake. [23:24] DaemonFC use the human shit for the bus [23:24] schestowitz-TR and feeds assembly line workers with chromophile [sic] [23:24] leah DaemonFC: actually, it's funny you mention that. have you ever noticed that bird poo never stains solar panels on peoples roofs [23:24] DaemonFC The #2 is coming in. I hope it doesn't leave skid marks! [23:24] leah it slides off [23:24] matey of course after systemd came through i threw the idea away [23:24] leah the material is made to actually not allow anything to stick to it [23:24] schestowitz-TR maybe the crispr patent pool will engineer some solar people for us [23:25] leah look at solar panels on roofs when it snows [23:25] mjg59_ DaemonFC: Have you ever actually visited San Francisco? [23:25] matey they should put solar panels on cars [23:25] schestowitz-TR "I'm hungry, gonna go out to the sun now to bathe^H^H^Heast" [23:25] schestowitz-TR *east [23:25] matey car washes will go out of business [23:25] DaemonFC DaemonFC: Have you ever actually visited San Francisco? [23:25] schestowitz-TR >eat [23:25] DaemonFC I'm trying not to. That's going well. [23:25] mjg59_ You seem to have a very strange idea about how much human shit there is lying around [23:25] DaemonFC The app logged a lot of piles of it. [23:26] leah mjg59_: i was just answering DaemonFC scientifically [23:26] DaemonFC And they had to put in port a potties to try to get the bums to go there. [23:26] leah no but, for real, put solar panels everywhere [23:26] mjg59_ It turns out that giving people access to toilets does actually result in more shit ending up in toilets [23:26] leah they're pretty robust these days, and should last a few decades before needing to be replaced [23:26] matey no but, for real, put solar panels everywhere <- yes [23:26] DaemonFC mjg59_, Thanks to the city app, the amount of human shit is pretty quantifiable. [23:26] DaemonFC It's even geolocatable. [23:26] leah put solar on every roof [23:27] mjg59_ DaemonFC: And you've compared that to other cities? [23:27] leah every business [23:27] leah every toaster [23:27] matey mjg59_, Thanks to the city app, the amount of human shit is pretty quantifiable. <- how does it [23:27] DaemonFC The shit has its own GPS coordinates. [23:27] matey are people "logging" it in? [23:27] DaemonFC That's how you know it's San Francisco. [23:27] leah solar panels on cars is a good idea too [23:27] leah charge the electric engine [23:27] mjg59_ matey: It's a general purpose app for users to report things that the city should fix [23:27] DaemonFC DaemonFC: And you've compared that to other cities? [23:27] DaemonFC I have never seen a pile of shit on the sidewalk in Chicago. [23:27] matey mjg59_ oh okay [23:28] leah pretty much just... solar panels, and cut down on meat/dairy (huge polluter) [23:28] DaemonFC People even pick up after their dog. [23:28] leah should solve the climate crisis [23:28] schestowitz-TR there's literal shit in SF [23:28] schestowitz-TR "SCOI" [23:28] schestowitz-TR SCO [23:28] leah and i think it's easily affordable [23:28] leah can wire up the solar panels to put electricity back on the grid too [23:28] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:28] matey leah any idea what the ratio is like of beef: dairy industry in terms of pollution? [23:28] leah solar+ups [23:28] schestowitz-TR leah: still need a lot of energy for winter [23:29] matey i know beef is awful [23:29] schestowitz-TR and to mine and assemble batteries [23:29] leah ups in your home [23:29] leah i used to work for a solar company [23:29] schestowitz-TR it's hard to melt things with electric power [23:29] leah they put giant battery on your mains, that gets charged during the day [23:29] schestowitz-TR it's OK [23:29] leah at night, it runs off of that to power stuff. if that runs out, or solar doesn't generate enough, there's still electricity from the grid [23:29] schestowitz-TR for TVs and stuff [23:29] *bnchs (~bnchs@uyvqe3kv8vs3u.irc) has joined #techrights [23:30] schestowitz-TR the moment you use 1200 watt appliances it kills the battery fast [23:30] bnchs how much would a MIPS cpu last on a battery charged by a solar panel [23:30] bnchs schestowitz-TR [23:30] DaemonFC matey: It's a general purpose app for users to report things that the city should fix [23:30] leah yeah but the way you set it up, you still get energy from the grid if the panels don't generate enough [23:30] leah schestowitz-TR: it's completely automatic [23:30] bnchs fuck [23:30] DaemonFC There's a lot of shit that should be fixed there. [23:30] mjg59_ bnchs: An R12000 would last a few minutes, probably [23:30] schestowitz-TR eloectric container shipping boats, planes, tankers don't do well on solar [23:30] DaemonFC Like the cost of living, and shit. [23:30] bnchs wrong tab sorry [23:30] bnchs mjg59_: oh well [23:31] mjg59_ bnchs: "A MIPS" doesn't tell you much - there's a whole range of power consumption depending on the specific chip [23:31] schestowitz-TR bnchs: they're almost like pocket calculators [23:31] schestowitz-TR if on idle [23:31] mjg59_ Back when SGI were still making MIPS machines, they chewed through a *lot* of power [23:31] leah solar and... wind turbines, hydroelectric if possible... and i guess nuclear (cleaner than using coal, but there's waste storage, plus uranium mining is... brutal. but nuclear is the lesser evil compared to coal) [23:32] DaemonFC If you spend more than $60,000 on a house, it should be well over 1,800 square feet, with three bedrooms and an attached garage, on 2 acres of land. [23:32] schestowitz-TR making many assumptions [23:32] DaemonFC And the property tax shouldn't be more than $550 a year. [23:32] schestowitz-TR floods, wartime etc. [23:33] schestowitz-TR leah: we need to lower energy consumption [23:33] DaemonFC Only the fucking stupid liberals could ruin the American Dream. [23:33] leah schestowitz-TR: that too [23:33] schestowitz-TR the simplest way is, to put it bluntly [23:33] DaemonFC They've proven that. [23:33] schestowitz-TR lessen population size [23:33] DaemonFC If you have any Biden Dollars, spend them while you can. [23:33] leah schestowitz-TR: have solar/wind/hydroelectric powering everything, and nuclear as backup to fill the gap [23:33] schestowitz-TR but that's bad for capitalism [23:33] schestowitz-TR like 30 million USians paying back 30 trillion in national debt [23:34] schestowitz-TR that's like a million per citizen [23:34] DaemonFC I was talking to mom. I said I'm stocking up on food and supplies because they're stealing so much with inflation that you're better off with the provisions. [23:34] schestowitz-TR for a family of 4, it's $4,000,000 [23:34] DaemonFC for a family of 4, it's $4,000,000 [23:34] bnchs mjg59_: lets just say they're a 333Mhz boardcom MIPS cpu (BCM7356) [23:34] matey presumably if you have an amicable way of reducing the global population [23:34] DaemonFC Marketwatch be like: How to get by on $4,000,000 a year when you still feel broke! [23:35] matey you can also get them to forgive each other trillions in debt [23:35] matey since the value of the _________ is imaginary anyway [23:35] DaemonFC I pick blueberries on Thursdays and my wife vagazzles labradoodles. Our home budget, $4 million. [23:35] schestowitz https://www.reuters.com/article/us-offshore-wealth-idUSBRE86L03U20120722 [23:35] mjg59_ bnchs: Do you mean 7346? [23:35] TR Bot rich hold $32 trillion in offshore havens | Reuters [23:35] DaemonFC House Hunters Shit Francisco [23:36] mjg59_ bnchs: In any case, stuff like that is probably drawing ~2W - you could run it for a long time (but that's also true of low power x86) [23:37] TR News The UK and US have such bot farms, too https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/ukriane-russia-bot-farm-disinformation/ [23:37] Alternative link Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/ukriane-russia-bot-farm-disinformation/ [23:37] TR Bot Ukraine security agency shuts down 5 Russian bot farms The Register [23:37] *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s) [23:37] matey /me proposes making chips more efficient by removing intel me [23:37] TR News Misinformation/Disinformation is NOT a Russian inventiob. [23:38] *bnchs (~bnchs@rpxf9b4pszb3i.irc) has joined #techrights [23:38] bnchs mjg59_ 7325* [23:38] matey /me and by installing a better boot logo [23:38] mjg59_ matey: ME is really not a meaningful part of the power consumption, although I'd be happy to see it fuck off [23:38] bnchs matey: intel me is not part of the CPU? [23:38] schestowitz-TR waste of transistors [23:38] matey /me proposes it regardless of actual savings, like most green energy projects [23:39] leah i have to wonder if intel me violates the computer misuse act in the uk [23:39] matey those laws are only for mortals [23:39] leah you don't sign a contract that says you accept what the me is doing to you [23:39] bnchs yeah [23:39] leah most people aren't aware it even exists [23:39] bnchs intel me is rarely documented [23:39] bnchs it would be illegal [23:40] mjg59_ leah: What aspects of it are you thinking of in that respect? [23:40] leah computer misuse act is the act that says you can't, like, backdoor someone or access their computer without permission [23:40] leah right? [23:40] matey when companies like intel run afoul of the law, they usually just rewrite the laws [23:40] mjg59_ Right, but by default ME isn't listening to the network (it *could*, it just isn't) [23:40] TR News If SUSE or OpenSUSE believes this will bring more contributors, than it's ill-advised https://news.opensuse.org/2022/03/29/os-finalizes-new-coc/ [23:40] TR Bot openSUSE Finalizes New Code of Conduct - openSUSE News [23:41] leah mjg59_: how do you know that [23:41] MinceR 30 002733 < DaemonFC> That's how you know it's San Francisco. [23:41] *psydruid doesn't think documenting Intel me is necessary, it just needs to be eradicated [23:41] mjg59_ leah: The ME firmware isn't encrypted (it's encoded with a weird Hufmann table, but that's been REd) [23:41] MinceR i guess budapest has too many dog turds to fit in such a database [23:41] leah 5mb of secret sauce connected is very sus [23:42] mjg59_ leah: So people have spent a bunch of time pulling that apart and have found no evidence (but have found other vulnerabilities at various poitns) [23:42] MinceR amogus [23:42] leah 5mb of secret sauce connected to the internet [23:42] bnchs sus [23:42] bnchs amogus [23:42] schestowitz-TR MinceR: gypsy king is the biggest one [23:42] MinceR indeed [23:42] leah mjg59_: yeah i'm familiar with me_cleaner's work [23:42] schestowitz-TR putin put him in a small bag [23:42] mjg59_ Intel *could* have put a backdoor in at the silicon level, but then so could any other ethernet vendor [23:43] mjg59_ It's possible, but we have no evidence of it [23:43] leah yet [23:43] mjg59_ Sure [23:43] MinceR afaik other ethernet interfaces lack that level of access to the rest of the system, though [23:43] bnchs i dont get people's method of avoiding intel me [23:43] matey mincer: maybe, maybe not if we consider what a number of implants can do [23:43] mjg59_ MinceR: Ethernet controllers can DMA, so until you have IOMMU enabled (which most Linux distros still don't do by default) they have pretty equivalent levels of access [23:43] bnchs (just dont use ethernet) [23:44] schestowitz psydruid: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1 [23:44] Alternative link Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu-2204-ryzen5950x&num=1 [23:44] TR Bot Early Look At The Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Performance On AMD Ryzen 9 5950X + RX 6800 - Phoronix [23:44] bnchs i mean first of all [23:44] schestowitz you need Ryzen to run a sub-1GB system? [23:44] matey (just dont use ethernet) <- lol [23:44] leah mjg59_: and in light of spectre/meltdown, iommu is kinda broken [23:44] bnchs even if you used wifi [23:44] leah but there are mitigations [23:44] bnchs it would still manage to connect to the servers [23:44] bnchs since the wifi card is authenicated in the entire system [23:45] mjg59_ MinceR: And even if you do have a working IOMMU setup, the SKBs that the ethernet controller is given access to contain function pointers, so you can still just generate arbitrary code exec in the kernel by pointing those elsewhere [23:45] MinceR great [23:45] mjg59_ MinceR: At some level we just have to trust hardware [23:45] mjg59_ Libre hardware obviously buys us something there [23:45] MinceR every day it sounds more like we should just nuke this entire industry and start over from scratch [23:45] MinceR it's a fractal of shit [23:46] bnchs "ethernet connector" [23:46] leah i'm going to bed [23:46] bnchs "function pointers" [23:46] bnchs wait wait wait [23:46] bnchs you're saying that the controller has access to the CPU? [23:46] TR News Vulkan Beta Driver Release Updates https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver "March 29th, 2022 - Windows 473.33, Linux 470.62.26" [23:46] Alternative link Cloudflare: nvidia.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.nvidia.com/vulkan-driver [23:46] TR Bot Vulkan Driver Support | NVIDIA Developer [23:46] MinceR it has access to RAM, via DMA [23:46] matey it's a fractal of shit <- hungarian/san franciscan hybrid shit [23:46] bnchs so how does it point to those function pointers [23:46] leah mjg59_: i trust hardware in general, more than software [23:46] mjg59_ bnchs: The structure that contains ethernet packets in Linux also contains function pointers that the kernel should call after the packet transmission is complete (for example) [23:46] leah it's more difficult to backdoor hardware [23:47] leah it's cheaper to mess with software [23:47] mjg59_ bnchs: There's no inherent need for the ethernet controller to have access to the rest of the data in that structure, but it does [23:47] bnchs oh [23:47] schestowitz-TR leah: also easier to remotely modify the s/w [23:47] bnchs so its useless [23:47] schestowitz-TR sans microcode [23:47] MinceR apparently the US government + megacorporations can afford to backdoor hardware [23:47] mjg59_ bnchs: So a hostile ethernet controller can just change where that function pointer points, and then after the packet is transmitted the kernel will just follow it to wherever the controller pointed it [23:47] bnchs oh i get it [23:47] bnchs how do you think of preventing this [23:48] schestowitz-TR many machines now come with 2 OSes [23:48] schestowitz-TR phones do [23:48] bnchs make a seperate struct? [23:48] psydruid schestowitz, Ryzen performance is very welcome but not how much power it needs, I find that I can overall do many things with 1-2 GB, but the (very low-end for modern times) processor is a bit of a bottleneck [23:48] mjg59_ So if you know the kernel layout, you can trick the kernel into executing halfway into a function (or something) and modify the security state of the kernel [23:48] schestowitz-TR one for tower [23:48] schestowitz-TR then ME/PSP [23:48] mjg59_ bnchs: Yeah, though that would have a major performance impact [23:48] schestowitz-TR Microsoft also bought a company [23:48] mjg59_ Wouldn't matter for most people, but high network traffic services would take a lot more CPU [23:48] schestowitz-TR they get to control lots of embedded stuff this way [23:49] psydruid > every day it sounds more like we should just nuke this entire industry and start over from scratch [23:49] psydruid > it's a fractal of shit [23:49] psydruid we *must* do it, there is no alternative [23:49] schestowitz-TR or to lie about the reach of azure by branding the new company "azure" [23:49] schestowitz-TR calling an OS that [23:49] schestowitz-TR OS that did not even develop but bought in 2019 [23:50] schestowitz-TR psydruid: not just indutry [23:50] schestowitz-TR also many protocols [23:50] schestowitz-TR inc. www [23:50] schestowitz-TR or w3c/html/http(s) [23:50] psydruid and the worst part is that academics are in on this agenda, as active low likes to say [23:50] schestowitz-TR look who sponsors universities [23:50] schestowitz-TR and they prepare pupils/studentd for "the real world" [23:51] schestowitz-TR "industry skills" [23:51] schestowitz-TR IDEs [23:51] matey unfortunately its difficult to explain the behaviour of academics without sullying the various professions of sex workers [23:52] bnchs schestowitz-TR: epic gaymes sponsors programming schools aswell [23:52] bnchs they prepare students for unreal engine [23:52] schestowitz-TR haha [23:52] schestowitz-TR there are not "game development" degrees [23:53] schestowitz-TR usually in not-so-good unis [23:53] schestowitz-TR they get called "colleges" [23:53] bnchs a true uni would teach the students to use graphics API and make their own engine [23:53] activelow i want be able to design hardware (and software) with pencil and paper; every single transistor [23:53] bnchs not micro$oft directx [23:53] bnchs but opengl [23:53] matey https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/degrees/game-development-and-design [23:53] Alternative link Cloudflare: purdue.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/degrees/game-development-and-design [23:53] TR Bot Game Development and Design Degree | Purdue University [23:54] matey harvard has courses but i dont know what degree they offer. [23:54] bnchs the only programs i've seen use framebuffer software rendering entirely was for embedded software [23:54] bnchs like frontend for a receiver box [23:55] bnchs these usually have no GPUs [23:57] bnchs just stating, i've seen people here say opengl is bad and use SW rendering [23:57] matey https://www.cs.usc.edu/academic-programs/masters/game-development/ [23:57] Alternative link Cloudflare: usc.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cs.usc.edu/academic-programs/masters/game-development/ [23:57] TR Bot Game Development - USC Viterbi | Department of Computer Science [23:58] TR News CentOS lost its value https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/566497224/montavista-mvshield-provides-targeted-support-services-for-centos-and-rocky-linux-for-network-service-providers [23:58] TR Bot MontaVista MVShield Provides Targeted Support Services for CentOS and Rocky Linux for Network Service Providers - EIN Presswire